The Girl Notch

Biomechanical sex differences extend to the infamous “notch count”. A man’s notch is not the same in style nor substance as a girl’s notch. Psychologically, girls record their “notches” in a limbic language that would befuddle men.

From williamk, our COTW winner:

A general rule is once a girl knows she could sleep with you, that’s her “notch”.

Once your thirst is telegraphed, actually having sex is superfluous to the woman. She’s already validated… why take on the potential risks of sex with some dude she barely knows?

Now, its a case by case basis. Her sluttiness, horniness (often cycle dependent), drunkenness also play a role. But in general, most girls worth laying (read: White girls) are perfectly happy to just play goalie and make out, allowing boob feels and giving no nookie.

It makes her feel good, wanted.

To go further with a girl, she needs to think she has to win you over because you’ll walk away if she doesn’t.

Well stated. For women, actual sex, rather than telegraphed sexual interest, is an additional risk that adds little to nothing to her need to be validated as a desirable object. Yes, OBJECT. Objectively speaking. Because that’s what it all cums down to: the human race survives when men look at women’s sexy bodies and faces and are compelled by the power of the Lord to seed their wombs with His gestational image.

This isn’t to say women don’t need and want sex. They love to fuck, but fucking isn’t necessary to fluff their self-conceptions. The man whom a woman WILL fuck is he who arouses her so completely that his flirtatious interest isn’t enough to satisfy her. She needs to complete the soliciting-dicking cycle.

A man’s sexual interest is necessary but not sufficient to pump a woman’s ego to bursting with fertile flavor, IF the man can successfully communicate a “take or leave her” attitude and redirect his sexual interest to other women without suffering some existential crisis of identity.

williamk’s last line gets to the heart of Game and seduction of women. Eagerly flirting with a girl and never pulling back or challenging her — i.e., exhibiting not an abundance mentality but an outcome dependent beta thirstiness — is handing the win to the girl. It’s giving her the trophy before she’s crossed the finish line. That’s the Girl Notch. (Or Thot Notch if you prefer a Current Year lexical rhyme.)

The nature of the Girl Notch is such that a thin girl in her plunderable prime will collect daily and even hourly affirmations of her sexual worth. This indiscriminate frequency means that the Girl Notch is lass valuable than the Man Notch (given that notch value is partly measured by difficulty of acquiring it), but more readily available for ego-stroking when the mood for a personal boost strikes. The Girl Notch doesn’t have the raw power of the Man Notch, but what it lacks in intensity it makes up for in volume. This is why girls often look happy if not ecstatic at all hours of the day, while men tend to evince alternating emotions of ecstasy and despondency.

The Man Notch — which traditionally and properly is simply known as the Notch — is meaningless without a finish line crossing. No man ever earned a notch with hours of foreplay and then a night spent spooning the girl through her jeans as his blue balls weighed heavily with unreleased pressure. For men, ego gratification is the rope of validation unleashed by PIV. Anything less than a Final Coition has the opposite effect on his ego, deflating it from a precoital high; though kissing and a gentle rebuff at the decisive moment is not nearly as ego-shattering as outright rejection on the approach, it is a fact that men feel a twinge of failure, as if they let themselves down, if they can’t close the deal when all the signs were pointing to vajhalla.

So what kind of man does a girl feel unsatisfied receiving his mere flirtatious interest and nothing more? What kind of man does a girl recruit to top her Girl Notch with her popped cherry? Very broadly, two kinds of men:

  • The preselected masculine chad who, as williamk noted, trips her radar while she’s ovulating
  • The man with alpha attitude and force of personality who flips the script and gets girls chasing him

This is the skeleton key to opening pussy: You’re the prize, and she has to win you over. Every man who can be called a beta male forgets this lesson, or disregards it out of spite and an addiction to noble losing and daydreaming about what could have been. Betas appease, alphas tease.

A girl knows a beta male is a sure thing, and that sucks all the tension and excitement out of her interest in him. But the alpha male leaves her wondering if he’s really that into her or if she’s up to his standards, and this will compel her to work harder to please him and earn his affection.

To wrest the real notch from a girl, you have to deny her the Girl Notch. And that means taunting her ego with the idea that uncertainty is the rule and validation is the exception.

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Related to the subject of this post, LeShitlourde writes about the different motivations for male and female cheating, and why the existence of the Girl Notch hints that female cheating isn’t entirely, or even substantially, about fulfilling sexual desire:

Cheating for women is saying “I want out of this relationship”.

Some betas out there rationalize their woman cheating as a “momentary slip up” or some sort of heat-of-the-moment mistake.

But he’s projecting his psychology onto women. Men’s appetite for variety is insatiable, and even if a man is perfectly happy with his girlfriend, side pussy is a constant temptation. Even if a man’s wife is a 10, he’ll happily be banging 7s or 8s on the side. There is no female analogue to this, because women hardly ever have any sort of compulsion to bang men less alpha than their boyfriend or husband.

But if a woman cheats, it is communicating something different entirely. Women cheat as a way to express their lack of respect for you and to take out her anger at your weakness. And if you choose to stay, she will lose all respect for you, throttle the sex to zero, and metaphorically wipe her ass with you for money and support for as long as she can get away with.

The Girl Notch is SMV validation without the sex. It is particularly suited for women because men are less sexually continent, thus there’s no equivalent Girl Notch for men. Women know men will have sex with them as soon as they have indicated their interest, but men don’t know the same about women. It is often the case that many men receive positive signals from girls but then fumble somewhere along the way and lose the shot at sex. This affliction hits greater beta males the hardest.

Tangentially, what this means is that when women cheat they are doing so for reasons that extend beyond ego and loin gratification. Sexual fulfillment is part of that (alpha fux, beta bux) but a bigger part is what Le Shitlourde mentioned: women cheat to lash out at their domesticate men. If cheating was solely about stroking her ego, she’d get her kicks flirting with strange men but not taking it farther than that. This is why a man must immediately ditch a GF or wife who cheats on him; she has crossed a line that indicates a commitment to a larger disloyalty than that which would follow from mere “momentary passion”.

Reader Cracker adds that men’s apocalyptic reactions to female cheating are indirect proof that different standards for the sexes are evolved responses that accurately reflect the differing size of the impact that cheating has on each sex,

exactly right

there is no recovery after a girl cheats and the relationship will only get worse.

i get trying to stick by your obligations especially if kids are involved but there is no happy ending if you decide to stay. and it’s bad for the kids.

even if they aren’t told about the cheating, they will see and feel that something is wrong with the two of you. they will lose respect for you as a man.

son will grow up to be a pussy who gets used and abused by women and daughter will grow up to be a whore like mommy. best way to prevent that is to teach them a good lesson. show them strong men don’t tolerate cheating. leave and get a better woman so they can see how things are supposed to be. that’s the only way.

besides that, getting over the fact that she was with another man was something i couldn’t get over. i don’t know how any man could. i had a girl cheat who i was head over heels for. i would have done anything for her. full blown oneitis.

but after she cheated, i couldn’t stand the thought of touching her again. going where another man had been. leaving her was the best thing i ever did in my life. after her was when my life really began.

It’s a fact that men experienced in the world of women learn early on: women can get over male cheating quicker and more thoroughly than men can get over female cheating. Women often run right back to cheating men, if they love those men; and though the wound of betrayal never fully heals she is happy to have him back in her arms again, because the grief of losing him would cut her deeper. Men, by contrast, and unless they are LSMV losers with no other options or hope of options, are less eager to take back a cheating woman. As Cracker said, there is often an accompanying disgust that prevents a man from ever again touching a woman who has cheated on him. It’s as if the invasive cock left a foul odor or slimy sheen on her skin, and now she is an object to be tolerated at best, disposed of at worst, for whom his affection can find no purchase.





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  1. […] The Girl Notch […]

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    • on November 2, 2017 at 7:54 pm da GBFM zlzoolzlzzlzozlzloozozo

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  2. RE: the first third of this post
    Just learned this lesson firsthand. Quite the sting but will serve to keep my mindset focused on new opportunities.

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    • Those are the lessons we remember with the most clarity.

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    • Never smell yesterday’s trash. Today’s loss will become yesterday’s thrash, so let it go, allow it to rot and find a clean space in which to refresh. In time old trash buried will provide for fertile soil to grow new crops.

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  3. So with all the dating apps and simpery at its peak, women get their validation with a swipe – post some cleavage on social(ist) media and get scores of likes by the thirsty hordes – this explains why (mainly white) teenagers are having less sex than previous generations.

    [CH: the great paradox of social media and dating apps is that the technology leads to LESS sex because women get their egos stroked so thoroughly they don’t need their kittens stroked.]

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    • “[CH: the great paradox of social media and dating apps is that the technology leads to LESS sex because women get their egos stroked so thoroughly they don’t need their kittens stroked.]”

      So thirsty gammas and omegas on social media are screwing things up for the rest of us… nice.

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    • Going direct on these apps is almost poison now. It won’t matter how attracted a girl is to your pics either.

      The “girl notch” is so easy for them to acquire now that almost any man who delivers it, no matter how desirable, will be beneath contempt.

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    • “[CH: the great paradox of social media and dating apps is that the technology leads to LESS sex because women get their egos stroked so thoroughly they don’t need their kittens stroked.]”

      This is so profound. I have often wondered why the western world has gone so whacky so quickly.

      So much of the human condition is driven by a woman’s need to feel sexually desired that I wondered what the connection was with Social Media. In the 50’s make up was the BIG BIG thing for female desirability hacking. But now women have been brought up by ugly feminists who say cat calls by construction workers is no longer something to enjoy (even though that is why these little women are dressed the way they are… to get those cat calls and the dose of SMV validation).

      Now here comes social media with it’s insta-like, insta-SMV gratification cycle. And bam! people are not having sex across the board. Connect this with girls getting a daily dose of “there’s too many hoomans get a cat” blathering by ugly feminists and you have the screwed up modern world.

      The funny thing is I know women. Hot women who are desperate for a man to figure out the new obstacle course of modern sex making. Women set it up to be such a confusing narcissistic maze they don’t even understand their game anymore.

      It’s so bad that I just advise a guy after a certain time and the woman is STILL hanging around just go caveman and force the issue.

      But the Alpha Attitude and pushing, negging and all of that would be the more socially acceptable way to do it.

      These days I’m going to just start testing early and often for a girl to show indications of chasing me or I’m done. I have spent too much time with women only to have it be an apparent ego stroke and not a bang that I’m done with not knowing this is going to sex.

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      • Angry Gamer – great post.

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      • I remember reading about that cat calls were like rape back in 2001.

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      • “So much of the human condition is driven by a woman’s need to feel sexually desired”

        I have always wondered, if being raped is the worst thing that can happen to a girl, why is it that telling a girl that she is too ugly to be raped considered an insult that she will fervently protest?

        Shouldn’t she be glad that she never has to worry about such a terrible evil befalling her?

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    • So then this begs the question, how to de-stroke (destroy) that ego.

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  4. We need a math guy to write this up like a calculus book. It’s ripe for it!

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  5. on November 2, 2017 at 4:50 pm earlthomas786

    ‘This is why girls often look happy if not ecstatic at all hours of the day, while men tend to evince alternating emotions of ecstasy and despondency.’

    All I usually see from girls is resting b face…unless they do happen to make eye contact with me.

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  6. “there is no recovery after a girl cheats and the relationship will only get worse.

    i get trying to stick by your obligations especially if kids are involved but there is no happy ending if you decide to stay. and it’s bad for the kids.”

    This is so true, some of my closest relatives have been cheated on by their wives and things never got better.

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    • Yep, my first serious relationship, way back when I was still utterly naive about women (but red-pilled to the right of Goebbels, thanks to my fiercely pro-white, race realist dad — he tried to red-pill me about women too, I realize now, but it didn’t stick) showed that pattern.

      The very second she cheated, it was apparent that she instantly and cheerfully severed every emotional tie with me, every plan we’d been making enthusiastically together, etc. She was still physically present, briefly, but she was emotionally and mentally gone from the instant her eyes fell on her new (and of course highly temporary) prize. There was absolutely no reversing it at that point, even if I had tried (which I didn’t, since I was moved to great wrath of the beta getting the first glimpse of the red pill as it’s fired down his throat at Mach 3).

      It still startles me slightly, how cheerily and without malice she told me to fuck off. She didn’t need drama, a fight, nasty comments, etc. to do it, she just said “This guy’s smell makes me wet, goodbye and I hope your next girl makes you happy” as she sauntered out the door.

      Met her years later, she was still totally friendly and relaxed, like we had had a perfect relationship to the mutual satisfaction of both and had parted with high-fives. The total lack of any emotional involvement at all was kind of eerie.

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      • on November 2, 2017 at 11:36 pm The Philosopher

        Yeah. There was a very red pill article Rollo Tomassi had about women who become war brides. Women the put out for invading conquerors. He says that women probably have a mechanism in the brain to shut off emotional connections to their men to keep being alive for other men to impregnate. Its probably the darkest thing I’ve read about female psychology.

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      • Never ceases to amaze me how quickly they can go from being emotionally invested in you to acting like you never existed when they severe the emotional bond.

        I don’t know if it is an act to cover their regret or they truly feel that way…either way it is eerie.

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      • @The Philosopher @earl

        Last year on Reddit there was an interesting post about that:

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      • So true…..there are few things as brutal as a woman who is done with her man. Passionless, resentful and punitive.

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      • Good article, Roboto. This comment was good as well.

        ‘I really think mastery of woman actually comes down to mastery of yourself, your emotions and how you conduct yourself around them. Women are reflexive and responsive creatures. If the light-switch effect happens, it’s because you did something physiologically to trigger it.’

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      • ‘After all women are attracted to illusions(guys that bullshit) just as much as truths(true alphas).’

        That goes all the way back to Eve in the garden.

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      • I was talking with some gents about my last relationship how it went from her calling me her boyfriend ecstatically to two days later dumping me. They couldn’t wrap their heads around it happening that fast and asked me if I had any tells.

        The only one I noticed (and I noticed it before in previous relationships) was how she shut down communication that night…I knew something was off. Turns out it was the light switch. I saw it happen with previous gf…things were great until one day getting her to talk was like pulling teeth, then the dumping happens.

        The next gal I dated was enthusiastic at first, after a couple of dates doesn’t even acknowledge my existence unless I say ‘hi’. It was that quick.

        From the looks of things…most men have seen this before too…I wonder how much of this knowledge is really known commonly, or you have to experience it to get it.

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      • And always, always, ALWAYS remember this, yeggs:

        When that light switch goes off, it’s never… EVER… coming back on.

        Don’t say you weren’t warned.

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      • In my younger days reading books from ‘Doc Love’ Tom Hodges and he always called it ‘women’s interest level’. He always pointed out once it goes below a certain threshold nothing you can do will ever get it back up.

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      • The female rules all in Sex and Love. This is why you must become a heartless emotional terrorist.

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      • I’m not going to become a sociopath because women have that bug. Basing your life and course of action off women’s feelings has never ended well for a man.

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      • It’s a rational choice. You don’t have to become a maniac to do it. Just keep the two sides of thought separate. Like a spy in war with a fabricated identity. You don’t have to become a sociopath. Just a raw realist.

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      • Time a go there was a red pill blog named solvemygirlproblems by a guy called “Shark”. I remember that in one of his post he said that if a woman’s attraction falls below 50% you’re fucked, she will dump you no matter what you do and there is no going back in her mind to be attracted for you again. If you notice that her attraction falls below that 50% he recomended just to end the relationship and move on.

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      • Oscar Wilde once quipped: “Once we have loved someone, we’ll do anything for them… except love them again.”

        Of course, his (ahem) proclivities combined both male/female attributes… for one, a guy will give you the shirt off his back, and many guys will even fall in love again with the women after they’ve been burned… or at least, not really stop loving them, if the women comes back.

        Whereas a woman will simply never love you again, and probably won’t do anything else for you, no matter how civil she may be.

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      • “Never ceases to amaze me how quickly they can go from being emotionally invested in you to acting like you never existed when they severe the emotional bond.”

        we ALL have the ability to compartmentalize, men and women both. if we didn’t have that ability then none of us would be sitting here today having this conversation because our ancestors would have just laid down and died every time they lost a newborn or a or watched their brother get cut down right next to them in a shield wall. being able to shut our emotions off when necessary in order to do a dirty job or get through some kind of difficult trial is absolutely intrinsic to our survival as a species.

        for women, sex and relationships are a matter of life and death. their bodies KNOW that they could die in childbirth, no matter how much modern medical technology says otherwise. this mortal awareness is wired into their DNA, and 60 years of birth control does not change that. if they don’t feel safe with a guy, because he’s too nice or whatever, then for them a quick, clean, decisive exit is their only option. you have to give them credit, though, for treating you like a man. “eh. you’ll get over it. here’s a tissue.”

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      • So so true. I’m just going thru this now with a crazy, hot Serbian single mother. How they can make plans one day, say they want you to impregnate them, give you the best porn-star sex ever, then just totally flip & cut all contact…Incredible! And gentlemen, i am a desirable middle-aged man who has been around & thought i’d seen it all. At the end of the day the fuck just isn’t worth the rest of the bullshit. 21C women have totally lost the plot…

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  7. on November 2, 2017 at 5:02 pm Noel Hutchinson

    To CH & CH readers:

    Great post like other posts. I assume a lot of CH readers (I definitely qualify) found your site because of heartbreak from either harrowing infidelity or from an unceremonious smash up when your girl drops you for another guy. I speak only from my own experience so can’t say how much others can relate, but I do know the posts here are invaluable and do confirm or state in clear language the principles behind women. Such as:

    1. When my ex of many years ago cheated on me, she had to dump me. Though exceptions exist (the girl with loose morals), it goes to the idea that most women, unlike men, don’t juggle parallel sexual partners; they have you as backup, then snag another first, dangle bait for the other to bite, dump you, and latch onto the other. In my ex’s case, she went all the way up to heavy petting (easy to justify in her hamster) with the other guy. That gives her the girl notch security and the putative moral high ground to dump me. It’s a cliche, too. The I love you but am not in love with you line et cetera et cetera.

    2. Now her admitting to all this only suggests — then and now — how it’s a point of no return and can’t be salvaged. Her admission shows how much she no longer respects you.

    3. Her admissions are also surprising in revealing principles of game, unbeknownst to her and to me (at the time). She openly admitted to having harbored for a long time feelings of doubt and dissatisfaction with me. BUT; if I had dumped her FIRST (i.e., before she met this other guy), she’d have felt far differently. CH had written two posts about this (‘how to handle a breakup’ & ‘deescalation ladder’)! At the time, I was shocked at this revelation. Simply beating her to the punch would’ve saved the relationship.

    4. My experiences with ‘No Contact’ has been different. At first, I thought its use would result in this girl flying back to me. No such luck. Never happened. Not even close. But then I realized, for myself, that No Contact was not to get her back but to get me back, to myself. Although I must say, when I didn’t respond to her feeler email, she wrote back to me a week later following up — hilarious. At that time, I was vulnerable and would’ve taken her back at the drop of a hat, but she committed the error of emailing only to ask for some stuff she had left at my apartment. That disgusted me, and I must say: it’s great not having her in my life anymore.

    5. Before she cheated on me, I actually had cheated on her. Looking back I see that experience also contained several game principles. First, the ‘mistress’ (for lack of a better term) knew I had a girlfriend but didn’t care. Game principle of women being perfectly comfortable in a harem. Plus I think, at that time, being ignorant of the principles of game, I had no idea my girlfriend was a pivot serving me well as preselection. Second, when I later on, out of beta guilt, revealed my infidelity to my girlfriend, she punched me and cried her heart out, but surprisingly didn’t break up with me. She asked for a weekend to think over things — which left me in suspense, but I thought for sure she wanted out — but she decided to stay with me and even made excuses for my infidelity and told me not to dwell on it anymore. Amazing.

    6. Real life, unlike the theoretical life, has double standards. So I felt my insides turned out when she told me she ‘cheated’ on me and wanted to dump me. So although I was ueber-beta at the time blubbering like a baby, I didn’t ask her to stay with me, nor did I ask for a second chance, nor did I beg her to reconsider. I knew it was over — partly because I knew that her cheating really ended things. I assume most men think this way — I certainly do — but however much I wanted to stay with her, I couldn’t in good conscience stomach the idea that some other man had his tongue down her throat or making out with her or worse. So it was just as well she dumped me than vice versa. Did me a favor.

    On another note:

    has anyone experienced — when you don’t say anything but simply be silent, out of perverse self-amusement — that a woman wants to fill in the silence?

    So, another new hire — and also a woman (but not the woman whose gay bestie buys her frozen food for lunch) and yes, it’s me from San Fran SWPL-zwazi-land — and I are waiting for the elevator to go down to the lobby of our office building. She’s not homely & fairly pleasant in appearance (not objectionable), though I’d not say she’s a looker you’d want to bust a nut. And most especially in this post-Harvey day & age, you can’t bust a move, especially in SWPL land.

    So we’re waiting. I say nothing; I politely look at her; she politely looks back at me. You know, professional acknowledgement, that sort of thing. Now I wanted nothing to do with her; I simply wanted to get myself some lunch. And besides, I know next to nothing about her, and I wasn’t terribly interested in chatting her up or anything. I wanted to eat my lunch, do my work & get the ‘flock’ out of there. But she had to open her mouth & talk shop endlessly the entire trip down to the lobby — as if I don’t hear enough shop talk in the office. And she was talking shop about things I don’t even work on. So why on earth would she think I’d care in the least. Now to be charitable, she may be just trying to be friendly & sociable, so I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt, but she started this thread of conversation, unsolicited. I let her go on, staying silent. It was wonderful hearing her sputter on trying to fill the dead space.

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    • The cardinal rule of masculinity in decline is ZFG/DFAG. A 1-k word catharsis powered by a consciously realized and yet interminably regurgitated emotional attachment issue is bad enough as a blog post native to a commensurate blog. At the top of comments here, yikes. tl and dr, just scanned. Maybe Roosh needs an apprentice. Found the guy. I though CO’s worst pics made my eyes bleed, but those pics have been bested by words. There is only one image that has caused me more pain that the comment above. I dare name it not, but damn that Matt F. and the link on HL. I shall never fully recover.

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      • I, too, found the tl;dr escape mechanism most effective. I also noted at least three exquisitely crafted rebuttals in your comment, though I was too comment-weary to fact-check them. Extra credit for weaving in Roosh ambiguously.

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      • On second thought, there’s no ambiguity. That was the liquor talking. Wicked post.

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      • Prince Doug.

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    • on November 2, 2017 at 5:48 pm Ponce du Lion

      Women jump from one man to the next, both being beta providers, while looking for alpha fux. We really need whip for women. If a woman finds the better beta provider she’s always looking for, she will jump for the buxzsz while still looking for fuxzxz in da anuss. God hates women’s rights.

      You reminded me I found this site due the combination of sexism, racism and hilarious realtalk. CH maybe the first guy to combine sexism and racism (or Holy White Patriarchy) since the ominous day jews took over the West. Now Andrew Anglin does it too. Both best sites ever in the web, surprise me they don’t ban CH.

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      • Or you won’t be surprised in the near future, but I hope instead we are surprised indefinitely, and some ideas should not be openly stated out of respect for the pathological horde that showily flitters from compulsion to compulsion by the power of suggestion.

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      • on November 2, 2017 at 7:56 pm traitors first

        The reason as far as I can tell is because AA is extremely effective and widely read. Saw a site one time ranking his daily viewers somewhere in the 350,000 – 400,000 range and that was one of the various dots after he made the fat girl joke and got kicked off the normie .com web. Which before I found that I knew why they were going to go after him and it’s because he is that effective. He makes me think of a millenial kid that read mad magazine watched saturday night live and decided to make his own website following that kind of satirical blueprint, only this time instead of targeting heritage america, he targeted wasteland america or sh!+libistan or sh!+libopolis and since he satirically targets them, even using some of the rules for rads against them this is why he must be stopped, they really really hate it when you use their tactics against them

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      • Doug, are you new? I think I’d recognize such literary prowess if I’d seen it before. Both barrels, it seems.

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      • on November 3, 2017 at 2:23 am Ponce du Lion

        Lol. Total paranoia. Sometimes I forget how totalitarian regimens found that many people to kill. How totalitarianism evolutionary shaped asian mind can be clearly seen in the comment:no space for not pre-approved and thus distinct or creative expressions as whatever can be a crime in any moment for any motive.


        some ideas should not be openly stated out of respect for the pathological horde that showily flitters from compulsion to compulsion by the power of suggestion.

        If some power can do something they just have to do it, moreover when WordPress is of their own. Stop having respect for them. Are you suggesting that they’re God? Do you want to place them in the place of the only one I have respect for?

        Fucking insane going after people like you when there’s a eugenic policy. Don’t say the hour, you are remembering them something they have to do!!! You remind me of women, they think they’re smart and high verbal iq, but forget of analogies as their thought lack deepness, is only appearance. If this expression is bad because x reason, then anything can be bad in any moment, so this expression isn’t bad due to x reason

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      • In the town I live, I see maybe two Asians in a week if I am out every day.

        But for whatever reason, maybe the South Korea thing, I have become curious about Asians. The more I learn about them, the more fascinated I become of then.

        Joogle for example, must be almost all Asians. I was watching a News story about how Joogle basically runs the town that it’s located in and they showed the front door of employees entering the building. All Asian.

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      • @JJ, I’m so old I’m new plus serendipity. Here since 2012 but cutback on commenting, moderation is ruff. I snapped yesterday. I can never get through thick skulls. I decided to go sarcasm. Cooperation has its limits. Conflict is a perverse social sweeter sometimes? Maybe learning something, IDK. Roosh went neo-masculinity March 2015, renouncing evo psych: wrong! He’s been on TV. Lots of commenters. Only infield I’ve ever seen is him kissing one chick in a club, no backstory, no seduction. He sure has high gravitas for so little PUA demo.

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    • “And most especially in this post-Harvey day & age, you can’t bust a move, especially in SWPL land. ”

      Dude keep plowing

      It’s exactly at this time you should be bustin a move. California women are going crazy right now. All the normal cues of where they are with SMV have gone radio silent.

      THIS is why the lass is talking nonsense and shop. She literally is dealing with a new world of LESS sexual interest and overall validation.

      That is why she’s sputtering on. She is desperate for validation. At the end of the elevator ride you should have invited her to lunch. Said lets take your car. Drive her to your fav lunch place with mostly 2 top tables. On the way regale her with a story of some foreign travel adventures for the trip over. Then as you sit down to lunch and while looking at the menu interrupt her attempt to talk shop. Simply say “tell me about you”. boom off to the races let her go on about being a single or mostly single girl in the SF/Bay area and as she seems to be winding down. Ask about boyfriend. yada yada. As you are finishing casually mention that you aren’t getting along too well with your woman and drive her back. Regale her with another travel story on way back. In lobby bid her good bye. I bet you get an email of interest. Reply politely.

      Wait a week invite her to another lunch same thing except escalate physically. Then after work drinks, kiss and bang within 3 weeks if you want to. Otherwise bail out at an appropriate altitude student pilot.

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      • Also….tease her like you would a little sister. Say very little that is serious and instead be sarcastic, evasive and challenging.

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    • Yes get yourself back. In time, women will be after you to the point that you will have to go in hiding to regain your sanity.

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    • has anyone experienced — when you don’t say anything but simply be silent, out of perverse self-amusement — that a woman wants to fill in the silence?

      Dude, where ya been?

      It’s a long-acknowledged truism, here at the chateau, that silence and letting her imagination power the hamster wheel are an integral part of winning male-female relationships.

      Believe me, the drama we create out of whole cloth or whatever tales we spin are amateur hour compared to what their hamsters generate with but a tenth of the effort.

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  8. on November 2, 2017 at 5:06 pm Diversity Is Good

    “Cheating for women is saying “I want out of this relationship”.

    Or saying “I’m happy with Mr. Beta Bux but I miss my Alpha Fux, so I’m going on a ‘business’ trip once a year”.

    Or saying “I’m glad to have two kids with Mr. Beta Bux but for my third I want a little shitlord”.

    Or saying “God! Everything has become so routine! I want a little excitement! Girls road trip, and if an SNL just happens, well, it just happened”.

    Girls that rode the cock carousel get a little hungry for a trip down memory lane.
    Girls that didn’t, wonder what they missed. Girls are girls, not men with tits.

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  9. so the moral of the story is to keep her perpetually at the edge of validation climax. “oh, I just need you to do this ONE MORE THING and then I’ll give you some validation. your nails need to be just a litttttle more perfect. you need to be a littttttle nicer. you need to do a fewwwww more favors for me. then I’ll give you the validation you need… maybe.”

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    • That sounds like perpetual work based on the word choice ‘keep’. I am thankful to not have a wife. The only viable ROE (rules of engagement) IMO are to spin plates in the honeymoon phase. Wanting ‘something more’ is strictly for herself starring opposite wanting less for the targeted man. The s**t will never end. I’d rather be alone, since I can’t be a patriarch (read: disciplinarian). I suppose that if a man has financial success and ZFG vibe, the edge-of-climax state happens automatically in enough women that the ones who do feel that way don’t matter. A sole vendor P is opposite to a solely owned property P, which I think is a source of consternation for those emotional attached to extinct or mythical tradition.

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      • that’s a good plan if don’t mind going it alone, but if you ever want to something bigger it’s important to know that people’s (not just women’s) egos can get in the way of being on a team of any sort. limited doses of validation is how you keep them focused on the bigger prize.

        but of course that doesn’t matter to you because you’re perfectly happy on your solitary little island, right?

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      • ZFG is an island. You make it sound like a bad thing. Wanting something more and having it are not the same thing, or we’d all be happy and traditional. I hope your higher risk tolerance and gregariousness pays off. Leykis calls women dream-killers (it’s on utube) and says you’ll never be more than what you are when the marriage starts. Ashley Judd and Madonna would never admit their paths were a mistake (DLV), and their pretensions of high value appeal to impressionable girls. Guys, beware. Some marriages will look successful; less will be successful. The trend is not favorable. If in it, do what you can, of course.

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      • pretty sure ‘Reality Doug’ was drunk when he made all his comments today.

        every one of them has been bizarre and way off track.

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      • Reminds me of myself when I was drinking, had the same thought Cracker

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      • I’m also drunk. I rescind all comments until tomorrow.

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      • Yes that dichotomy does exist, but stop worrying about all that shit and just work on becoming a more masculine and dominant man, because God made you to be that.

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  10. in ((hollyweird))) women cheat because their hubbies r emotionally unavailable assholes

    lol
    lool
    loool

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  11. on November 2, 2017 at 5:54 pm earlthomas786

    ‘For women, actual sex, rather than telegraphed sexual interest, is an additional risk that adds little to nothing to her need to be validated as a desirable object. ‘

    Nope CH. She’s a person. She wants to be validated and loved as a desirable person.

    Now she’ll still have to prove to me she is one…so let’s not confuse this with putting her on a pedestal because of feelings and overevaluation. The whole goddess worship garbage is a feminist heresy.

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  12. must be added to the mandatory reading list at the soy recovery anonymous groups. had a buddy keep on living with his cheating wife, and even with no kids as an excuse. her affair known by everyone, and he still kept paying her credit cards, until divorce. the “outspoken women’s rights supporter” libtard would have taken her back, too

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  13. how do u feel about telling a girl that u’d kill her if she ever thought about cheating?

    like be scary as fuck and look her dead in the eyes with conviction when u say it

    build up the tension and then chuckle like a dicchead

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  14. Every woman alive is willing to fuck for money.

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    • And more willing to sell fraudulent sex on credit, and more, more willing to sell guilt, which is why I hate them.

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    • on November 2, 2017 at 8:13 pm traitors first

      Guy walks into a bar, sees chick at the end of the bar, sits next to her, orders drink and starts to chat her up. They hit it off, the drinks flow, the time passes. After enough time (and drinks) the guy looks at the very attractive woman and says,”I’d like to ask you a personal question?”
      She’s comfortable enough with him so she says,”yeah, sure”
      He says,”Would you sleep with me for a million dollars”
      She (thinking it’s a joke) says,”Yes, absolutely”
      He then says,”Would you sleep with me for a dollar”
      She says,”No, of course not” “What kind of girl do you think I am?”
      He then looks her dead in the eyes and says,
      “We know what kind of girl you are, now we’re just negotiating the price.”

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  15. Anyone hear the story about the African American kid who killed his white sister:

    http://www.insideedition.com/teen-gets-40-100-years-killing-half-sister-her-mom-tells-him-i-will-never-forgive-you-37665

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  16. My wife was once wondering allowed about a free pass for one cheat. She told me she’d give me one. I told her she didn’t have the same option. She was shocked, shocked I tell you. That’s a double standard! I just said, don’t test me.

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  17. Kiev’s round table on problems of migrants in Ukraine discussed a new social project prepared by the Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany in Ukraine and aimed at promoting tolerant public attitudes towards refugees and asylum seekers.

    The project’s main goal is to turn Ukraine into an inviting place for migrants and humanize Ukrainian society.
    …………….

    It is worth noting that the project will be fully funded by the Federal Foreign Office. Thus, German authorities involve not only the EU members with their compulsory quotas of refugees’ distribution, but also the EU candidates in resolving the common European problem of migration.

    The Ukrainian side has supported its German partners’ initiative and is already launching the project. Ukraine’s migration policy has been discussed at recent meeting of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council. Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko has discussed with his colleagues in the Council possible measures for the appropriate accommodation of refugees in Ukraine.

    According to President Poroshenko, Ukraine, as a future member of the European Union, is not going to withdraw from its commitments to accept refugees; it will strive to increase their number
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    After (((Nudelman & cohorts))) have destroyed the country the next stage is to be played
    “The project’s main goal is to turn Ukraine into an inviting place for migrants and humanize Ukrainian society”
    Apparently Burkel wants to dump at least a portion of rapefugies in Ukraine
    and humanize Ukrainian society lolzzz

    https://altright.com/2017/11/02/ukraine-commits-to-suicidal-refugee-resettlement-plan/

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    • Isn’t the Ukraine, kind of like really poor?

      How the hell are they supposed to be able to afford a drop of millions of uneducated homeless people who a substantial amount have PTSD or should just be straight up put in an insane asylum?

      It seems like this would be a pretty straightforward bad decision on their part.

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  18. Kiev’s round table on problems of migrants in Ukraine discussed a new social project prepared by the Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany in Ukraine and aimed at promoting tolerant public attitudes towards refugees and asylum seekers.

    The project’s main goal is to turn Ukraine into an inviting place for migrants and humanize Ukrainian society.
    …………….

    It is worth noting that the project will be fully funded by the Federal Foreign Office. Thus, German authorities involve not only the EU members with their compulsory quotas of refugees’ distribution, but also the EU candidates in resolving the common European problem of migration.

    The Ukrainian side has supported its German partners’ initiative and is already launching the project. Ukraine’s migration policy has been discussed at recent meeting of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council. Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko has discussed with his colleagues in the Council possible measures for the appropriate accommodation of refugees in Ukraine.

    According to President Poroshenko, Ukraine, as a future member of the European Union, is not going to withdraw from its commitments to accept refugees; it will strive to increase their number
    —————————————————————————————————-

    After (((Nudelman & cohorts))) have destroyed the country the next stage is to be played
    “The project’s main goal is to turn Ukraine into an inviting place for migrants and humanize Ukrainian society”
    Apparently Burkel wants to dump at least a portion of rapefugies in Ukraine
    and humanize Ukrainian society lolzzz

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  19. on November 2, 2017 at 7:54 pm CalvinDecline

    Excellent post. Enjoyed the comments you used and examples you gleaned from them. Great comments by all the posters as well.

    Reminds me of this takimag article I just read:

    “I come now to my central insight. It is that once woman’s transcendent psychobiological power is combined with legal equality, it eventually comes to pass that women are effectively more powerful than men—a condition, however, that only deft psychologists can readily perceive. Yet look around: Today women vote, pay their own bills, own their own property, earn more degrees than men, are admitted into universities, and get jobs just because they are women. They no longer need men to provide for them. Furthermore, the state itself, so long as the Democrats can help it, shall be a lifelong provider or de facto husband. Meanwhile, in a trend that is likely to increase, vast numbers of men are dropping out of society because the vanishing nuclear family—like a rational spirit of chivalry, destroyed by feminism—no longer affords the ordinary man (that is, most men) a life worth living. Why, then, work at all? What is a man to do with his leisure? What is there to look forward to after work? Playing video games? Watching pornography? Smoking marijuana or swallowing opiates? Ah, a never-ending childhood—that is the reward for enduring the soulless office! A team player during the day and Pee-wee Herman at night! Our grandfathers may not have liked their jobs, but they could still come home to satisfying women, now an exotic breed.”

    http://takimag.com/article/feminism_and_the_decline_of_america_christopher_degroot/page_2#axzz4xKScLyvm

    It hits on all the points were familiar with… but in a style I’d not yet read.

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  20. on November 2, 2017 at 9:02 pm Robert Pee-More

    This post is gold.

    I would add hot girls — especially crazy ones — sometimes “cheat” very early to test your mettle as a man. In this case, devil may care indifference is cat-nip that leads to feminine loyalty and passionate sex.

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  21. This is why Indirect is more effective for most men as you build that attraction bank.

    Which brings us to the Mystery Method.

    This is Mystery on merging sets. Something I really never even thought about much before now.

    And this one is long but well worth the watch.

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  22. thanks for including my comment in the post CH. it’s an honor

    i was hoping you’d do a post on that conversation. good discussion and a lot of good comments from everyone

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  23. Another great article

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  24. OT: I was trying to find the antonym for pathological altruism, which we can define for the sake of argument as a disordered desire to help those in an out-group who would be inclined to harm you. The opposite would be the desire to harm or exploit those in an out-group who would be inclined to help you.

    Is there a word for this? Sociopathic egoism?

    At any rate, it seems that the former phenomenon tends to attract the latter.

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    • on November 2, 2017 at 11:49 pm Vagina dominator

      Is this a trick question? Judaism. What do I win?

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    • The interplay of the ‘pathological altruism/sociopathic egoism’ dyad IS the co-dependence dynamic, …. in other words …. the enabler/exploiter interplay. But ….. that IS the game of Life – so the deeper question is – when does this dynamic describe symbiosis and when does it describe parasitism? What are the conditions that eventuate the symbiotic outcome vs. the conditions that eventuate the parasitic outcome?

      The conditionality of said eventuates is contingent upon the presence or lack of Knowledge. And that begets varieties of arms races around the pursuit of Knowledge. Fascinating. And for humans – I wouldn’t call the game in favor of the Feminine just yet. If that is in fact on – I’m quite sure that is only a short term condition.

      If one examines such dynamic in terms of personal relationships, the co-dependence dynamic is parasitic precisely because each party refuses to acknowledge all of the factors that inform their own behavior. If that acknowledgement begins to take place, the relationship will begin to migrate towards what could instead be termed mutual dependence ….. but the usual outcome is that the acknowledgementing is undertaken unevenly, across parties, and as such instead of reaching a mutuality, the relationship terminates. More usual still, is that acknowledgement is all-together avoided in order to preserve the relationship. And the fascinating thing about such state is that …… if you peel enough layers of the onion, you will find that both parties are actually acting within parasitic parameters.

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      • wild man, good post. at what point does symbiosis descend into parasitism? I would say, when there’s no leadership. or, to put it another way, when there’s no competition from outside. what do you think of that?

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      • on November 3, 2017 at 7:25 pm Diversity Is Good

        I don’t quite get what your are trying to say. Could you repeat that with more words?

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      • plumpjack – I think access to better knowledge of the factors that influence oneself, and by extension, knowledge of the factors that influence others, ….. is the path towards true leadership. So in that sense I agree that good leadership, made possible by better knowledge of what is what, can promote an emphasis of symbiosis over parasitism.

        But is good leadership contingent upon the presence of outside competitive forces at play? Man – I’m gonna have to ponder on that. The difficulty I am having around thinking about that question is that I can’t think of any circumstances when there isn’t the presence of outside competitive forces at play. It seems to me that competition is deeply, inescapably cooked into the books, …. like …. it is written right into the fabric of reality at the most basic level ……, and furthermore, it seems to me that it in fact occurs within a dyad as well, comprising the competitive/collaborative polarity. As such, symbiosis could be understood as a more highly ordered state (or higher energetic state) of the competitive/collaborative dynamic, whereby neither pole is unduly emphasized, …. but instead each pole more balanced in terms of the other, ….. a precarious condition (thus a higher energy, lower entropy and therefore a more ordered condition). Within this more ordered state, it becomes much clearer that the dynamic itself (i.e. – the interplay between competition and collaboration) is in fact a polarity (whereby each pole fundamentally implies the other). Symbiosis can lead to a supercharging of favorable outcomes all round, and if this supercharging eventuality occurs, the precise dynamical balance described by said symbiosis, may become like a grand energy attractor, whereby said energy accumulation overides the additional energy required to maintain the more highly ordered state, thus possibly leading to a new permanent state of affairs – something new under the sun that never ever existed before, but that which colors reality henceforth ……. akin to the idea of the most mysterious principle of strong emergence. I think that the symbiosis between prokaryotes and eukaroytes by way of mitochondria can be taken as an example of this.

        On the human cultural front, I think western culture by way of the western tradition, particularly as coalesced around the Enlightenment principles, may be another rudimentary example, (albeit more abstract), of a developing symbiosis in the making. But ….. perhaps western culture has not yet reached a sufficient state of ‘grand energy attractor’ to ensure enough surplus energy to ensure an ongoing over-riding of the additional energy required to maintain the more highly ordered energy state. That’s what my intuition informs anyways. And I think it is because the Man/Woman thing is still not sorted out – not well enough understood yet. It’s the sex thing. In many ways the sex thing defies analysis – defies a fundamental comprehension (i.e. – we know what it feels like but not much more …. and the feeling of it is so powerful it clouds judgment). That’s partly why I find this CH blogspot so cool (i.e. – mercilessly probing this deep question).

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      • wild man, very interesting analysis, and you’re a good writer.

        the idea of lack of competition occurred to me because I grew up in a typical Catholic/Christian beta male patriarchy setting. even as a little kid I could sense that the people around me didn’t know what the fuck they were talking about. they had “skills”. they could teach you how to fit in, change a tire, make a living, etc., but they couldn’t answer the most basic questions of the things I was most interested in: girls, health, the nature of life and death, the nature of consciousness. they were completely lost in these areas. not only were they lost, but they were smugly overconfident in the pat answers to life’s big questions that they had internalized through their church, through each other, other through the culture in general.

        some, like my father, were innately inquisitive and pushed themselves to broaden their knowledge of these important things, but they stayed away from the forbidden fruit of things like female hypergamy, what is sin, are there deeper level of consciousness, etc.? perhaps because the knowledge wasn’t there, or perhaps because it was taboo to even ask such questions. they seemed incredibly safe and protected in their little knowledge bubble. in other words, no competition for their hearts and minds.

        my first mentor about women was a family friend who was a Puerto Rican Vietnam vet from Harlem. my parents knew him through grade school where his daughter and I were in the same kindergarten class. the way he treated his hot Peruvian w1fe as second in status to his half-wolf/half German Shepherd hybrid contrasted sharply to the way my dad allowed my Mom to run the house through conniving manipulation and temper tantrums, and I took notice. i watched how he behaved and that’s when I first started to learn game. (a couple years later, maybe first or second grade, he caught me fingering his daughter. he was shocked but he didn’t even get pissed. he just gave us both a stern talking to about how it’s better to wait a few years. I guess he couldn’t get mad because he respected a fellow player. who knows, but it was funny.)

        when I was a teen a Fijian family moved in on our street. I have no idea how the these people afforded houses around us because it wasn’t a cheap neighborhood at that time, but nevertheless these immigrant families kept showing up. this was the 80s and they probably all dealt drugs.

        the patriarch of the fijian household was a wizened guy in his fifties who worked as a gardener. this guy was very tough, but also very smart about life and very reasonable. at least he seemed that way to me at the time. I used to walk down to his house and he would let me hang out and offer me weed. he talked to me like an adult, which I appreciated and which was unlike the way people in my own family treated me. in his eyes I was a young man and I needed to act like one. one day I said something disrespectful about my Dad, and he put me in place so fast that I never forgot it. he did it in a completely rational, even handed but full shitlord way. he opened my eyes to what a good guy my dad was, and what an unappreciative little piece of shit i was, and I never forgot it.

        in hindsight my life was a lot like that movie A Bronx Tale. I had k-selected mentors for my heart and soul (my father, grandfathers, uncle’s) and r-selected mentors for physical needs and for life in a competitive world. it was all very surreal, but it could not have been any other way because each of these worldviews on their own were incomplete, but when taken all together a young man could form a complete philosophy about life. one could not live by taking the k-selected view as the be all/end all solution to life in the post birth control world. nor could one live by fully embracing the r-selected view of the world. a synthesis was inevitable. (though in hindsight it is more clear which system, despite the imperfections, is technically more sustainable. my parents are still married, still live in the same house I grew up in. my r-selected mentors are long gone, either dead or in prison, or still working some shit job. sustainable or not, I don’t envy any of them.)

        which brings me back to the idea that lack of competition leads to parasitism. looking back, I don’t see how the beta male patriarchy could have sustained itself indefinitely. it would be one thing if it’s members and proponents were woke and knew why things needed to be the way they were. but they weren’t woke, at least not most of them. they were just following orders, and there was no one at the time competing for their obedience. now, after 60 years of poz programming, there is a very real, obvious, competitive contest for hearts and minds, and lo and behold suddenly it’s very clear that the parasitism has gotten out of control.

        it seems that people have to be reminded periodically of why the values building blocks in society got to be there in the first place. it doesn’t work to just follow the rules mindlessly, because then anyone who doesn’t follow the rules eventually has a better chance of getting ahead. I suppose that’s what you’re talking about in you’re biological metaphor.

        and what you say about figuring out the man/woman thing seems spot on. where we’re at right now is possibly fusing the k-selected and r-selected views into something entirely new. Patriarchy 2.0, it’s been called before. regardless, things will be different. it’s an exciting time to be alive. sure is weird though.

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      • wild man, my response is in moderation

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      • plumpjack – man – alot of meat in your post.

        I guess part of my early history is the same sort of thing. I realized pretty early on that people act sorta like the are brainwashed. Like they just decide to believe some bullshit, and then stick with that, because it is a simpler way to get through life – maybe less anxiety-provoking or some such thing. But that is the pussy way imo. I say fuck anxiety (you know – beckon some anxiety, then fuck with it real good, to see what it is covering for).

        I grew up in a catholic household too, and my dear old mom is gaga for the holy roman catholic church, and for her that is a great comfort. To tell you the truth I kinda find that type of comfort revolting, but …… the ladies seem to have a real affinity for this type of existential comfort in one form or another ….. so , ya ….. that’s the pussy way for sure.

        Anyway – I really don’t have it in for the catholic church, because … my Dad (dead and gone since I was 19 – late 1970’s). Dude was no pussy that’s for sure, yet he did the catholic thing too. But with him it was different. It wasn’t for comfort, it was a tool …. a tool to use to wield western values in his life and his domain. My dad never ever said this, or explained it, but by way of osmosis, I came to understand what precisely western values are …… it is: respect yourself (and this means believing that you have the power to make meaningful non-deterministic decisions for which you are therefore responsible for the consequences thereof), expect others to respect themselves as well (but recognize this isn’t automatic, …. weasel shit is all too common), and as such you may find the conditions that allow mutual respect to operate, if you look for it. To me that is what western values mean, and that’s what my dad thought too, and I guess I got the lesson from him, but he never explained anything about it – it’s just the way he lived his life. Catholicism for him, was a way to enforce this mindset in his domain (and he had a very public career so his domain was quite large). For me, institutional Christianity of all sorts (including the catholics) has alot of sorry comfort-like poz about it, but ……. that amounts to institutional BS, because the seed itself – the story of the Passion of Christ, is not BS. It’s not BS because, stripped of all of the institutional crap, the kernel of the story is a roadmap for understanding western values in the way I described above. My dad saw this, saw the value, and used that as a tool to live life within the terms he chose for himself – the western values terms.

        Now ….. getting back to all this brainwashing, that I realized early on, that people just sorta accepted upon themselves (or for some, maybe even took refuge in such mind-cucking). It has to occur to one who has these realizations, like I myself realized early on, that I am subject to that too. And that is some really twisted anxiety-provoking shit that must be fucked good and hard, mercilessly, to see what it is covering for. After awhile one might wonder whether, as opposed to fucking with said splinter of anxiety in one’s mind, one is instead actually fucking one’s mind with that splinter, mind-fuck-style. But hey – the audacity and boundlessness of youth – willing to risk blowing a circuit or two ….. comes with the territory.

        The way out of that mess? Pragmatism. It turns out you gotta accept some sort of mind-cucking for sanity sake – but the key thing to understand about this is – you can manage this by way of choosing your poison, and if the poison you choose is western values, in the way I described above, well….. it turns out that this is a most pragmatic choice indeed, because western values means emphasizing individual power to choose, so ……. it is actually a recursivity function, …. choosing the belief in the power to choose, in a field of choosers ….. a very very deep mindfuck that promotes a mindblowing state of satisfaction …… so – mind-wise, all is as should be … most pragmatic indeed. The recursivity of it amounts to …… making that original splinter, that original anxiety about the cucked state of affairs all round, …..make that realization the phallus by which I fuck everything, ….. fuck my mind, fuck my world, fuck myself, and fuck all the other glorious choosers. And the recursivity of this fucking is a function of what? Because I said “Manage by way of choosing your poison” ….. but who exactly be that manager? Because who manages the manager? See? So strange …… I’m both here … and there – no central core to defend. Instead I am simply ‘the fucker’, or better yet – ‘the fucking’ (a verb). In the end the ‘recursivity’ = ‘fucking’, and so ‘recursvity function’ = ‘sex function’. Hahaha – and at the deepest level of nuance the western values mindset implies this.

        So, imo, a guy chooses to be mind-cucked by western values because it is the most pragmatic, the most sublime mindset, given that one cannot otherwise avoid a mind-cucking of one form or another, for sanity-sake. As my dad would probably counsel (if convo got too cerebral): “look – in the end you gotta decide what works”.

        On the man/woman thing – the central problem is that a woman is a recursivity too, i.e. – ‘the fucking’ (a verb) too, just as all people are. Too bad for western women (and probably women in general) that that offends their sense of being. Western women gotta realize, as they too are very much-so inavoidably subject to mind-cucking, and as such would be well served by managing that by way of choosing their poison, of which choosing to believe in the power to choose, …… that this would be the most pragmatic path ….. ultimately leading to a sublime state of deep satisfaction. I think women tend not to get this because the ‘mind-cucking’ feels more like ‘mind-masturbation’ to them. Quite the hurdle that.

        plumpjack – you said:

        “which brings me back to the idea that lack of competition leads to parasitism. looking back, I don’t see how the beta male patriarchy could have sustained itself indefinitely. it would be one thing if it’s members and proponents were woke and knew why things needed to be the way they were. but they weren’t woke, at least not most of them. they were just following orders, and there was no one at the time competing for their obedience.”

        Thanks for clarifying what you meant by lack of competition begetting parasitism. I see your implied meaning (i.e. – I think what you mean is, it’s not a lack of outside competition per se, it’s the beta males’ failure to perceive this). I think this beta male patriarchy you speak of (which of course I am familiar with too, but which I would not class my dad as within though, mindset-wise) was too willing to just believe some bullshit, and then stick with that, because it was a simpler way to get through life – maybe less anxiety-provoking or some such thing (the pussy way). All together too smug. They got mind-cucked without managing that process for themselves and so they got what they deserved imo. And yes – they got preyed on by a parasite, is the eventuality they suffered, partly because of their own failures. Best if men like this begin to respect themselves (and that means believing that they have the power to make meaningful non-deterministic decisions for which they are therefore personally responsible for the consequences thereof) – which implies they best fully understand as much as is possible about the parameters within which their decisions operate.

        And for the record, I think that the prime parasite upon the beta male patriarchy, the Jewish Retards, are both parasitic and Retarded because they fail to perceive that they are operating within a field of choosers. Down right psychopathic that (and etiologically – a failure to properly reconcile the subjective/objective dichotomy). But on the other hand, I can see how the beta male patriarchy’s doltish smugness invites doubts about their agency among the particularly cynical (and the psychopathic IS particularly cynical about others).

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      • wild man, interesting stuff.

        I’ll have to keep this short, but in reply to your excellent reply… lately I’ve been working on an idea where people can generally be categorized into one of two groups: integrated or dis-integrated. the integrated being people who are balanced in mind, body, and spirit. and the dis-integrated being predominant in one or two areas.

        it’s a longer conversation on which I don’t have time to elaborate right now. perhaps we can continue this in a later thread.

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      • Integrated vs. dis-integrated. Interesting. Especially if your idea will shed any light on the Man/Woman thing. plumpjack – I look forward to hearing more about this.

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  25. Relateable…..here’s a Tinder convo I had today. Her profile said she was new in town.

    Me: so where’d you move from?

    Her: I’m from Brisbane, but moved here recently for work. What’s your rule?

    (my profile alludes to having a “rule”)

    Me: nobody from brisbane

    Me: kidding. no pants on fridays

    Her: Ahhhh… and do you always wait til Fridays to message people?

    Me: nah, if i was that cunning i’d just wait until no-knickers saturday

    Her: (smiley emoji) alright! Well played. So what’s on the agenda this weekend? Other than keeping law and order in the knicker department

    Denying the notch is more crucial than ever on Tinder because hooking up is so blatantly implied, but at the same time, keep it light and funny. Tinder game ftw.

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    • on November 2, 2017 at 11:51 pm Vagina dominator

      Very nice indeed. And she played along well too.

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    • Okay, that was pretty good

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    • Good stuff, Meaner. Anytime you can include “knickers” in a text message means it’s all gravy from here on out.

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    • Smooth bret

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    • “Denying the notch is more crucial than ever…”

      this is where the “ten in the hopper” rule, or “abundance mentality” ties it altogether. your job as a man in the Abyss Era is to keep denying notches. and if you have enough options, or at least are content going about your business, then you can deny notches all day long and still get your needs met.

      and denying notches for a guy is a conquest all on its own. one should look for opportunities to deny notches wherever one goes.

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  26. This post is a well, a font even, of crimson truth, curiously distilled into these four words:
    “Betas appease, alphas tease.”

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  27. Hidden Alpha, Crouching A-bomb James Woods has done it again. NYT says “Allahu Akbar!” is innocent. Woods tweets in reply:

    Let me yell it out at 35,000 feet while you’re eating Chicken Florentine in first class. Then hope someone knows the Heimlich Maneuver… https://t.co/2EBB1YpRVg

    — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) November 2, 2017

    Did anyone else experience a massive testosterone boost after watching Diggstown in 1992? It’s not too late.

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    • I got a T-boost from watching that film, but primarily from looking at a young Heather Graham.

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    • Jeez, Louise… a film where a con man shyster White pals around with a n1gger, the latter being the badass who beats up other White stooges as the pair “Stick It To The (Rich, White) Man” is being touted as a T-booster ’round chere?

      How you grasshoppers learned NOTHING yet?

      (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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  28. Its all a matter of figuring out by the 1st grade, you give up your lunch money to no girrrl. But sure as shit, there’s a girl that will take it if you hand it over. It carries through to adulthood, giving, never getting. Those are your “betas”. Oh, they “get” in the end, they’ll find an old horse from the playground that wants a shrub sooner or later. I very recently saw a young man wreck HIS life getting married to one of these degree-collecting women. She’s 36, he’s 30, an engineer, half her weight (maybe) and very nerdy. He was reputed to be the drunkest person at the reception.. Let the in-vitro begin.

    Figure she’s at LEAST 20 years on hormonal birth control, lots of drinking, 250 pounds. Not informed, but if you threw in a bout or two or three of STD treatments, a little HPV wart here, some herpes there, maybe an abortion or three, there are going to be issues spewing feminist spawn. With lots of money, I’m sure they’ll give it the old college try! Because this is what you get when you marry a typical 36 YO YOLO girrl who’s 36.

    Just guessing here, spit-balling, back of the napkin projections. Hey, tell me where I’m wrong..

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  29. Its all a matter of figuring out by the 1st grade, you give up your lunch money to no girrrl. But sure as heck, there’s a girl that will take it if you hand it over. It carries through to adulthood, giving, never getting. Those are your “betas”. Oh, they “get” in the end, they’ll find an old horse from the playground that wants a shrub sooner or later. I very recently saw a young man wreck HIS life getting married to one of these degree-collecting women. She’s 36, he’s 30, an engineer, half her weight (maybe) and very nerdy. He was reputed to be the drunkest person at the reception.. Let the in-vitro begin.

    Figure she’s at LEAST 20 years on hormonal birth control, lots of drinking, 250 pounds. Not informed, but if you threw in a bout or two or three of STD treatments, a little HPV wart here, some herpes there, maybe an abortion or three, there are going to be issues spewing feminist spawn. With lots of money, I’m sure they’ll give it the old college try! Because this is what you get when you marry a typical 36 YO YOLO girrl who’s 36.

    Just guessing here, spit-balling, back of the napkin projections. Hey, tell me where I’m wrong..

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  30. Female infidelity is the nuclear shit test, if you stay you’re radioactive, if you leave, you can never go back and drink from that well.

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  31. It’s analogous to respective approaches to shopping: a chick can happily spend an entire day going from store to store, trying on different clothes in front of the mirror and making the staff tell her how great each outfit looks on her, never buy a thing and still be perfectly pleased at the end of the day. A man, by contrast, will be pissed off if he spends all that time looking at clothes but doesn’t go home with the jeans or shirt he was looking for.

    For the woman, the emotional experience of playing dress up, validation from others, and knowing she could have bought clothes she liked is enough. For the man, it’s a failure unless he closes the deal.

    Hell, it plays out the same way in the business world: men want to close the deal/solve the problem; women value the experience/journey/social interaction more than the result. If a deal falls through, women will say it “wasn’t right”, men will be disappointed and start hunting down another deal.

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    • Summary: men, be the prize in the girl’s Cracker Jack box of emotional experiences.

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    • And then when the ladies hit their 30s they start to notice all that dress up and validation didn’t result in anything worthwhile…they start lamenting ‘Where have all the good men gone.’

      That’s why basing everything on feelings being validated is stupid…merit is based on actions and commitment.

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  32. [CH: the great paradox of social media and dating apps is that the technology leads to LESS sex because women get their egos stroked so thoroughly they don’t need their kittens stroked.]

    Yeah – but check out the count of ‘Likes’ and the Comments when a girl posts a hot pic. It’s usually all or overwhelmingly girls that respond.

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    • The particular sex commenting probably doesn’t matter to them…they just want the validation.

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    • Yeah I’ve noticed in scenario’s where there are almost no men present, women go hog-wild with the “objectification” and sexualization of themselves.

      Took a yoga class back in college once, just me and one other guy, who I’m pretty sure was gay and the women were all wearing super tight outfits with almost nothing covered up.

      Tons of cleavage etc……

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  33. As always, a thought provoking post, CH. Regarding the picture above, however, I’d go with Miss Norway…

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  34. A rational man who can deliver the goods in the big matters of life is able to be irrationality self-confident in performing the smaller tasks

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  35. For women, actual sex, rather than telegraphed sexual interest, is an additional risk that adds little to nothing to her need to be validated as a desirable object.~CH>

    This is probably the reason why Indirect openers are so effective>

    “What’s up with you guys? How is everyone? What a beautiful crowd you guys are together like this.

    Curious question. It’s a weird question, you want to hear it?…..

    Would you sleep with Jesus?”

    A decent direct pu line is>

    “Excuse me miss, can I have the time? I’d check my watch but I can’t take my eyes off of you.” .

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  36. on November 3, 2017 at 10:37 am Ron Blasczykowksi

    Locking a girl down in an LTR has the same principles. She has to feel that your banging her isn’t validating enough, and that, should she fail to extract some commitment from you, she will lose you altogether. D R E A D is the name of the game.

    And so I ask, CH and commenters: how do I lock this girl down I’ve been banging for a few months? Here’s the catch: she has expressed, on a couple occasions, some wariness of “college relationships.” This can be fixed. Should I go full Nuclearized SMV-Leveling Dread-Bomb (i.e., get noticed fucking around elsewhere)? This seems to me the fastest and most effective way at getting her into LTR-chasing mode.

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    • One thing the gamester has to remember, above all else… if’n you’re gonna play a game, don’t think you’re always gonna win.

      Even the best in the world drop AT LEAST one out of four.

      It’s a macrocosm of the old maxim “Don’t give ultimatums unless you’re ready for the ‘or else’ part.”

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    • If you’re trying to “lock down” a gal for an LTR, do you mean the M word?

      If you do, then put a ring on it… if not, well… WTF is this ‘LTR’ supposed to mean?

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      • on November 3, 2017 at 12:31 pm Ron Blasczykowksi

        It means a formal declaration of my cock being the only welcome intruder of her pussy. Don’t play stupid, I’m a youngin in need of real advice.

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      • It means a formal declaration of my cock being the only welcome intruder of her pussy. Don’t play stupid, I’m a youngin in need of real advice.

        Always let the girl bring this up first. Until she does, you are free to go around and sleep with whomever you want. If you’re flirting/sleeping with other girls, she’ll pick up on it. She does not have to see it.

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      • on November 3, 2017 at 8:30 pm Vagina dominator

        @ Ron Blasczykowksi

        Sounds like you are chasing her. That shows her that you have low value.

        In fact, you have this all upside down. You can’t say “I like that girl, I want an LTR with her” and then try to persuade her of that.

        As a man, you chase them for sex. She chases you for commitment. Don’t play the girl’s role.

        Maybe she doesn’t see you (or any man) as a guy she wants commitment from. If so, you have to just accept that. The worst thing you can ever do is “change yourself” to try to be something a woman will commit to.

        If you start down that road, you may as well go jump off a cliff right now, because you life as man will be over.

        Hope this is relevant to your problem.

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      • It means a formal declaration of my cock being the only welcome intruder of her pussy. Don’t play stupid, I’m a youngin in need of real advice.

        I was being sincere, as in determining your true intentions for this gal.

        If all it is is a glorified “muh dik” situation where you want exclusive rights with none of the responsibilities, well…

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    • I and Sun Tzu say that war is already decided and you lost. First you assert your truth about locking a girl down into a LTR. Locking ‘up’ would have better vibe tell to it as your assessment of your higher status. Then you ask how to lock her down, but I thought you just answered your question before you asked it. Inner game work ain’t theory or verbal instruction. If she is not asking how to lock you down/up, then it’s over, and she will never want to lock you down forever unless you are a big winner forever, but there is only one Trump. For the rest of us, ex-wives are toxin. There is little better motivation than manly success and other women hobbin ur nobbin. Overwhelming competition could get her to retire from you, but that’s not your problem. You can’t have her until you can drop her like a bad habit. Dayz calld beetches for a reason. Desparatin kills tingles. Available P is dirt cheap, unavailable P is astronomically overpriced. You’re on one side or the other. Guess which one.

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      • on November 3, 2017 at 8:31 pm Vagina dominator

        Yeh, he has it upside down. He shouldn’t be chasing for commitment.

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      • on November 4, 2017 at 10:57 am Ron Blasczykowksi

        OK. So let’s say I haven’t shown any outward signs of chasing her for commitment, have been aloof, etc., but see the LTR potential. What am I supposed to do, just sit around and wait until she brings it up? That just seems like pussy inaction.

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      • Experience is a great teacher. Why wait? If you are willing to let her reject you and also alternatively to keep you as a LTR, press the issue and find out definitively. Play it your way, but find out and remember step by step what happened as data not final analysis. With enough raw data from enough women you will spot patterns and see the disgusting truth: a man is either too good for a liberated woman or not good enough. Maybe you get lucky and live happily ever after. I recommend you first become a ladies’ man before considering marriage, but it’s your life. If you think you can handle her, go ahead. There’s a SWAT team right behind her vagina. Just love her and see. You are already getting her best. You are not a patriarch and she knows it.

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  37. on November 3, 2017 at 1:32 pm Ralph Stanley

    The only major heartbreak I ever suffered was during a long distance relationship after college. I went on to grad school and left her behind. We kept it going for a year and half, which took lots of work (and money). I was living abroad and suffering from intense one-itis.

    At random, she stopped calling for a week. When I finally heard from her she dropped the bomb and gave this explanation: “I don’t have that “in-love” feeling anymore.” BOOM! [the tingle is gone].

    A few days later I was half-crying to my landlord/buddy, “I just hope it wasn’t another guy.”

    He took a long drag from his smoke, blew it out, and smiled. “It always is.”

    My first red pill.

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  38. Dear Dumb-Ass Conservatives,

    You haven’t conserved an effing thing in the past 50 years. Everything women and (((ykw))) do is only calculated to win by tearing down the other. With open market operations firmly established and more the game of life in the US empire is completely changed. You fight on the power of truth like dummies. Not working. The vermin fight on the truth of power. Dah, winning, which is why they hate Trump or the use of ‘their’ tactics against them, which is really fighting on the field that they care about. From the bottom of my heart, please stop worshipping and pedastalizing your failed truth. Your Agent Smith reactions against me are the tell. Another case in point, killing vengence on Bowe Bergdahl is cowardly appeasement to the Establishment for validation. With the ROE of globalizing business war, men will break. Naked human pyramids don’t materialize out of thin air. It’s the enemy Establishment, stupid, and you are cucks! I hope a tranny gives you marching orders for a pointless suicide mission and you feel the Semper Fi then. You can’t even identify you nemesis, which is the only reason they are my nemesis in the first place. I hate you or I hate the Agent Smith in you, depends on whether or not you can divorce the blue pill emotions in your mind. Dah.

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    • BB only getting 14 years at the most. Traitors need to be executed, not give copyrights to million dollar book deals.

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  39. I was doing mental math, and I reach the estimate that at least something like 3% of american white women between 18-30 ever did porn

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  40. […] 5, 2017): Recently, Chateau Heartiste has endorsed this same approach in his recent post, “The Girl Notch”. As he so eloquently put […]

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  41. […] directs to writers that know what they are talking about on this subject, and the other day I read a truly brilliant piece courtesy of Chateau Heartiste. Needless to say, if I had read this 25 years ago I am certain that […]

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