Science Continues To Prove The CH Worldview

The great thing about tearing the scales from your eyes and seeing the world for what it is rather than what you wish it to be, besides the additional poon such clear thinking offers up for pillaging, is that science eventually comes around to proving the validity of your personal observations, thereby boosting your ego major and giving you permission to gloat in a blog post to an audience of millions.

In my post “Hotter Women, Better Sex“, I wrote:

How your body responds to a woman during sex tells the tale.  The hotter I find the girl, the better the sex is, all else being equal.  Since men remember sex acts with crystal clear clarity, it’s easy for me to recall the exact specifications of my sexual encounters with each woman in my life.  Not to put too fine a point on it, but my jizzbombs were heavier and the distance ejected farther with the prettier girls.  Since this is something I cannot consciously control, it is proof of the innate characteristics of the male sex drive.

In the interest of science, I’ve put my beauty-to-cumload comparison in a handy chart:

hotness of woman               size of load               squirt distance
0                                            *                                *
1                                            *                                *
2                                            *                                *
3                                            pre-cum only           had to be squeezed out
4                                            droplet                      dribble
5                                            <5 grams                  2 cm
6                                            fills bellybutton        3 inches
7                                            1 tbsp                         8 inches
8                                            2 tbsps                       1.5 feet
9                                            1/4 cup                       3 feet
10                                          gallon**                      5 yards**

*insufficient data
**extrapolation

Thought I was being glib when I wrote this? Maybe being controversial just for the sake of controversy? Oh no, I was telling it like it is, and now science has confirmed the truth of what I wrote in this study showing that sperm travel faster toward the eggs of more attractive women (hat tip: Kassam):

New research found that males can adjust the speed and effectiveness of their sperm by allocating more or less seminal fluid to copulations. The determining factor is whether the male finds the female attractive.

The study, conducted on red junglefowl, a director ancestor of chickens, adds to the growing body of evidence that males throughout many promiscuous species in the animal kingdom, including humans, can mate with many females, but chances of fertilization are greater when the female is deemed to be attractive. […]

“There was a strong relationship between sperm velocity and the volume of the ejaculate sperm came from,” Cornwallis and O’Connor determined, adding that males allocated “larger ejaculates to attractive females.”

The mechanism behind this remains a mystery for now, but the scientists have an intriguing theory.

“Males may alter the velocity of sperm they allocate to copulations by strategically firing their left and right ejaculatory ducts, which can operate independently,” they explained.

Stimulation from sexy, attractive females, therefore, leads to the double firing.

“Furthermore,” they added, “differential firing of left and right ejaculatory ducts may contribute to how males strategically change the number of sperm in their ejaculates, a phenomenon that is widespread, but for which the mechanism remains unknown.”

Guys, you want kids? Only blast inside attractive women. You’ll increase the chances of knocking her up with your turbocharged seed. You don’t want kids but hate condoms? Stick to rawdogging women a couple of points lower than yourself on the mate ranking scale. Your ennui during lovemaking will ensure your tepid jizztrickles never find their way to her unattractive eggs.

In another post, I wrote about the critical importance of the neg as a game concept in picking up women cold:

I’m coming to the conclusion that the best opener is a neg straight out of the gate. In order to set the right tone as soon as you begin talking to a girl, you want to establish alpha cred immediately before any of her beta-sniffing circuits have had a chance to subconsciously dress you down. The quickest way to sear alpha grill lines in a woman’s heart is through the neg.

Stop the presses! Reader Welmer has a post up at his blog about a study demonstrating that negging women, particularly highly anxious (read: flaky, attractive and under 30) women, will cause them to respond positively to you.

And what about when the boyfriends behaved negatively? Again unexpectedly, [high social anxiety] women behaved more negatively when their boyfriends behaved more positively to them. Among low-social anxiety women, there was no difference in behavior regardless of how their boyfriends behaved. Why did the highly-anxious women behave worse when their boyfriends were being nice?

I’ll answer that. Because women with options subconsciously register niceness, especially persistent, knee-jerk niceness, from a boyfriend as evidence that they can do better. To a woman’s mind, niceness often means “He’s placating me. I must be too hot for him.” This is why all men absolutely MUST learn game, if they want to find happiness.

I’ve no doubt science will continue to prove my theories, maxims and observations about men and women correct. If you are able to jettison the great lies that have been foisted on you from birth by nearly everyone around you, from your parents to your peers to the culture at large, you will discover that science eventually comes around to confirming at least 80% of your personal, anecdotal observations.

It’s a good feeling to live with truth.





Comments


  1. Roissy, as per usual, I tend to agree w/much of what you say.

    However, I must say, that for me at least, a gal merely being hot isn’t enough. She has to be skilled, and failing that, at least an eager beaver, for me to really get off. The Obsidian has had quite a few Kim Kardashian-like experiences, where the Dime just lays there like a dead mackarel. Talk about a dead fuck.

    Could Obsidian be an outlier? Maybe. But for me-and I speak for myself alone-merely looking good aint gonna get it. Girlfriend also has to be a well studied Fuckstress-or at the very least being very excited by the prospect of benefitting by my training.

    Comments?

    The Obsidian

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  2. Not related to the main post, but general question to the crowd. Say a bunch of guys wanted to do an “Apocalypse Opener” contest with a hearty wager at stake.

    What would be the criteria/scoring system? Obviously whoever gets it to work wins, but what if no one gets it to work? What would be the next best criteria? What should heirarchy of results be?

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  3. Because women with options subconsciously register niceness, especially persistent, knee-jerk niceness, from a boyfriend as evidence that they can do better.

    …or that they won’t live up to his expectations?

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  4. These findings were reported in the latest issue of Duh Magazine.

    Yes, hot girls promote better reactions. Luckily enough, God gave us all different standards, so that warpigs like Kim Kardashian are swooped upon by someone other than me.

    As for skills. It’s true enough, but let’s take this in an all things being equal kinda way.

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  5. on July 9, 2009 at 12:17 pm duece bigalow

    Ive been reading the blog for about a year now. Its helped me in a lot of ways yet its hard not to come out cynical from the whole experience.

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  6. sperm compete. in hot chicks, who are likely to have more sexual partners, a man’s tadpoles will sprint, Michael Phelps like, towards the egg.

    In ugly chicks, they’ll relax, take their time, backstroke or butterfly stroke their way to their “goal”.

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  7. Women are like arabs- they see all male behavior through the lens of strength and weakness.

    You think you’re being nice or “sweet”- she sees you as being a weak pansy.

    By doing everything YOU want, and ignoring everything she wants, she gets more attracted to you and you get all the dripping hot wet sex you want.

    Ah irony.

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  8. S.:
    …or that they won’t live up to his expectations?

    that’s what they tell themselves. but we know better.

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  9. Roissy, your real problems are a set of linked issues..

    1] The vast majority of white men == chivalrous spineless shells of men.

    2] The vast majority of white men == idiots who are deeply in denial about a world that has changed beyond their ‘wishes’.

    3] The vast majority of white men == idiots who believe that they can go back to their accidental status in the time span 1800-1950.

    The world and the universe is an emergent system that no one can control.. or predict. You mistook luck for ability and built a dream around it.

    Luck has moved on.

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  10. If you live in a zero sum world.. you will die in a zero sum world. Women seem to lack an ability to imagine anything other than a zero sum world.

    Arabs and many other older civilizations/people have the same problem.

    //Women are like arabs- they see all male behavior through the lens of strength and weakness.//

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  11. Women are by nature, self-deprecatory creatures. I’m sure attraction to callous, non-chalant behavior is partially a throwback to some visceral Alpha attraction, but if we inverse the problem, resistance to flattery and niceties may stem from some place that feels she is undeserving.

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  12. S.

    …or that they won’t live up to his expectations?

    yikes. somebody get this chick a

    Hello Kitty
    Harlequin romance novel
    about precious baby Unicorns

    written by
    Danielle Steele

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  13. ………and the neg (clever gentile putdown) works just as well with men. They puff up and beg for approval.

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  14. S.:
    resistance to flattery and niceties may stem from some place that feels she is undeserving.

    feeling undeserving of a lover’s niceties is the lacquered finish over the knotted soulwood of the woman’s primate brain SOSing her that such niceties are the telltale marks of an unworthy mate.

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  15. cunt who is against mandatory paternity testing:
    ………and the neg (clever gentile putdown) works just as well with men.

    no, it doesn’t. it may cause a man to puff his chest in defiance, but it won’t make him sexually attracted to the woman if he isn’t already physically attracted to her.

    please read the archives and learn a thing or two.

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  16. Would be nice if they actually replicated the study’s findings in humans.

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  17. on July 9, 2009 at 12:22 pm Lucifer

    So what’s your point?

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  18. —that feels she is undeserving—

    Women feel undeseving? WTF planet are you on? Women behave the way they do because they feel they DESERVE everything/anything whenever and wherever they want, everybody/everything else be damned.

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  19. Askjoe,
    The question of differing standards of hotness here is irrelevant: MY point is, that she must be MORE than merely Hot, however that’s defined.

    She must also be skilled at fucking, for example, dicksucking. The vast majority of Women thoroughly suck, ironically as that sounds, at giving head. Being a reknowned swordswallower can and often does cause a lot of Men to beat a path to many a Woman’s door. I’ve seen this firsthand.

    Most Women don’t do any Kegels. Having a flaccid pussy is just as bad as a limp dick.

    Its been my experience that as a general rule, the hotter the chick the less skilled she is at the Conjugal Arts. All things being equal, of course.
    And, since were destroying Pretty Lies here, perhaps there’s something to that old saw about homely and fatter chicks trying harder?

    I’m just sayin.

    Holla back

    O

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  20. “Would be nice if they actually replicated the study’s findings in humans.”

    People are animals, dickhead. Get back to the telescope.

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  21. No, hot girls can be good at all those things. Ugly girls can be frigid. As for what type of girl is helpful enough to grab your hand and put it on the back of her head, that’s off topic. Roissy did a post on some high T chicks whose nature made them demanding bores in the sack.

    But yeah, O, all things being equal, girls who are enthusiastic are better than shrews.

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  22. The study definitely supports your point…however, it only had 45 people, so more research should be done before screaming it off rooftops or anything.

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  23. What’s the deal with Peter North, then?

    Does he just have no standards whatsoever?

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  24. resistance to flattery and niceties may stem from some place that feels she is undeserving.

    My interpetation: Severe questioning of a man’s judgement by non-narcissistic women when a man loves just everything about her when there has to be something he doesn’t like, some behaviours that should irritate him and are even designed to irritate him. She knows some things are simply not true. Thus, the visceral anger when he tells her she looks nice when it is as clear as day she does indeed look quite fat in that.

    It is the basic psychology of the ‘can’t he find hotter/does he have any taste/backbone?’ in different manifestations.

    This is nuanced. In Game: Feeling undeserving remains; he simply does not attempt to soothe that away completely and falsely, always projecting that he is better: in superiority to her and/or in the superiority of the women he can attain.

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  25. “Would be nice if they actually replicated the study’s findings in humans.”

    People are animals, dickhead. Get back to the telescope.

    lol, you’re a complete moron.

    Animal model studies should always be taken with a grain of salt; and they usually are in the scientific community.

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  26. This really isn’t new info, I remember reading about hotter woman load sizes 10 years ago. In fact, I remember a girl I was hooking up with around that time asking me if I really thought she was beautiful and I told yeah, and asked if she had to swallow a lot last time she blew me. She said yeah, and I told her that it was biological confirmation that I thought she was hot (she was — very).

    The same article also said that sperm counts decline after having sex with the same woman for a while. In the same vein, if you cheat your load size will be higher for the new woman.

    I think another factor, but I’m not sure, is setting. If you do it with the same woman but in a new location — like a hotel room while on vacation — you’re more likely to knock her up.

    Basically it’s whatever gets you excited.

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  27. Askjoe,
    Again, evo theory supports my view, to this extent: simply put, Women don’t really have to do a lot to get sex. That’s pretty much true accross the attraction spectrum; Men on the other hand, have to work much harder to get sex, for the most part.

    Everyone here knows well the simple fact that the Men does 90% or more of the gruntwork in the bedroom. For the most part, again, all a Woman has to do is lay on her back and spread her legs.

    Of course, the hotter the chick, the less she actually has to do, and that’s my point. Its a little dirty secret among a lot of guys, too, but we all the deal. Since we’re destroying shibbeloths left and right, I thought to drop a bunkerbuster on this one:

    The Hotter the Chick the more likely she is to be a Dead Fuck

    Im just sayin. Is it possible for her to be the Second Coming of Vanessa Del Rio, sure. Just not likely, is all I’m saying.

    O

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  28. duece bigalow:

    “Ive been reading the blog for about a year now. Its helped me in a lot of ways yet its hard not to come out cynical from the whole experience.”

    I concur with this sentiment, and would offer that this is because Game has a normalizing effect — it increases the success/retention rate while moderating the relative euphoria of said successes.

    Think of Roger Federer when he wins yet another major title. Is he thrilled? Sure, kinda. But not nearly as much as a less-successful player would be. Does that make him less desirous of victory and thus less competitive? No, it allows him to be cool, meticulous and not emotionally over-invested — a huge advantage in a mind-fuck sport such as his. He’s already mastered the formula that produces success, but he still likes to apply it.

    Taking success with women in stride as the product of knowledge gleaned from here or elsewhere is ultimately more rewarding than the naive “getting lucky” of the past. The fumbling unpredictability of the latter meant high highs but also low lows. Game maximizes the overall potential by normalizing that jerky oscillation.

    Do I feel slightly less rewarded now that I get to regularly bed eights (occasioning a nine) — whereas my former self was once positively ELATED to bag a seven — knowing that this is due to my acquisition and application of Game’s epiphanous wisdom and the confidence it imbues?

    No, not really. I feel proud that I learned how to get what I wanted so badly back when I didn’t know what the fuck I was doing.

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  29. please read the archives and learn a thing or two.

    ya know, R., I have read archives here….enough to see that you consistently miss the important point that S. just made. Many women are hard on themselves, self-depreciate, and will step backwards from attention or flattery they don’t deserve.

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  30. What happens if I close my eyes and imagine I’m stuffing a 10’s muffin when I’m actually only banging a 5?

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  31. on July 9, 2009 at 1:08 pm snatch magnet

    He said, “tepid jizztrickles” fucking hilarious.

    Obsidian is right. Many times the hottest girls are the worst in the sack, especially those who have been ‘pretty’ their entire lives. I’m convinced its a learned behavior from a lifetime of being on the receiving side of everything. Take a late-bloomer with a healthy enthusiasm for carnal delight and your boys will respond in kind.
    It makes total sense that with an ugly the boys aren’t that willing to leave the corral. In fact, the perfect scenario would be to achieve the orgasm while denying them the essence completely.

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  32. “The study definitely supports your point…however, it only had 45 people, so more research should be done before screaming it off rooftops or anything.”

    Why wait? If this was a study that was in favor of something that made women or minorities look good, it would be heralded as the Most Important Thing Ever by the NYT, WaPo, CNN, you name it. Fire needs to be fought with fire. They bring a match, you bring a flamethrower.

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  33. ob:
    Since we’re destroying shibbeloths left and right, I thought to drop a bunkerbuster on this one:

    The Hotter the Chick the more likely she is to be a Dead Fuck

    this is a myth.
    if you had said “the hotter the chick *in relation to the man she is fucking* the more likely she is to be a dead fuck” you would be closer to the truth.

    like men, women aren’t going to put much effort into the bang if they feel like they’re slumming it.

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  34. This really isn’t new info, I remember reading about hotter woman load sizes 10 years ago. In fact, I remember a girl I was hooking up with around that time asking me if I really thought she was beautiful and I told yeah, and asked if she had to swallow a lot last time she blew me. She said yeah, and I told her that it was biological confirmation that I thought she was hot (she was — very).

    The same article also said that sperm counts decline after having sex with the same woman for a while. In the same vein, if you cheat your load size will be higher for the new woman.

    I think another factor, but I’m not sure, is setting. If you do it with the same woman but in a new location — like a hotel room while on vacation — you’re more likely to knock her up.

    Basically it’s whatever gets you excited.

    True, some of the study’s findings are things that are already known.

    The point about the declining sperm counts/load size after having sex with the same woman for a while has to do with the fact that the man is only trying to “top up” his partner with his sperm. If they are having sex on the regular he doesn’t need to inject massive loads into her on every occasion. Just enough to top her up and keep a fresh batch of his sperm in her body.

    On the other hand, if the guy goes out and cheats with a hot girl he’s gonna inject a massive load into her. Mainly because he might not get to see her again for a period of time and he needs to inject enough of his sperm to compete with some of the other guys she might be banging.

    Robin Baker (the dude who wrote Sperm Wars) has done some good research on this very topic.

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  35. —Many women are hard on themselves, self-depreciate, and will step backwards from attention or flattery they don’t deserve.–

    I’m sure they’re out there.

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  36. oops, I fucked up the formatting of my post.

    I really wish we could edit our posts.

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  37. “lol, you’re a complete moron.”

    Then Fuck Off and don’t waste your time.

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  38. @Bhetti:

    OK, that makes sense. I was trying to compromise my knowledge of general female entitlement and insecurity/confusion about a chronic flatterer.

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  39. cunt who is against mandatory paternity testing:
    ya know, R., I have read archives here….enough to see that you consistently miss the important point that S. just made. Many women are hard on themselves, self-depreciate, and will step backwards from attention or flattery they don’t deserve.

    i was addressing your ignorant statement about negs, not S.’s comment in my reply to you. nice try shifting the terms of engagement, cunt.

    btw, re-read my comments to S. you’ll learn that as a woman your self-bias is so debilitating that you are unable to grasp the truth in what i write that “undeserving” feelings in a woman are simply female forebrain rationalizations of hindbrain reactions to an unworthy mate.

    and, yes, this even goes for ugly girls who are dating men out of their league. after all, if a superficially high value guy settles for an ugly girl he is demonstrating by his actions his actual low value.

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  40. R,
    Of course you’re right, a Female 10 aint all that excited to get it in w/a Male 5, even a moderately Game-assisted one. Granted, duly noted, sir.

    But I stand by what I said, and wil now adjust for your insight:

    All things being relatively equal between the Male and Female in terms of attraction, the hotter the chick, the less likely she fucks like Vanessa Del Rio reborn.

    Again, there has to be some truth to that old saw, that homely and fat chicks try harder. Not an endorsement, I’m just sayin.

    O

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  41. I’ve no doubt that the sperm science is true- but I’ve heard that women orgasm quicker, and stronger with alphas.

    The chick orgasm was in part designed to impregnate the female- it sucks in that sperm onto the pregnancy highway- That quick and powerful female orgasm given by an alpha will greedily pull that sperm in!

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  42. S.:
    @Bhetti:

    OK, that makes sense. I was trying to compromise my knowledge of general female entitlement and insecurity/confusion about a chronic flatterer.

    bhetti said the exact same thing i said in my replies to you. female entitlement and distaste for chronic flattery are not mutually exclusive. in fact, they are mutually reinforcing.

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  43. Thanks, R, for the corroboration. The “BJ’s are Gross” post is really the dividing line between a good lay and a bad one IMHO. The High T jackhammer girls and the High E lays can be divided into the gross or not-gross groups.

    So, it’s how much they like men and how much they like you, the guy they’re with. Being hot just generally means they dated hot guys, so there’s no basis for the “they’re used to guys doing all the work” pity party.

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  44. And I get a kick out of Roosh’s it doesn’t matter if you, the guy, is good or not in bed bit.

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  45. 1. phrase of the month: “strategically firing their left and right ejaculatory ducts”

    (your mom makes me shoot all left)

    2. Roissy, can you put women through a training course before they start commenting?

    3. “great lies that have been foisted on you from birth by nearly everyone around you”. We are in the Matrix. I take the Roissy pill.

    4. Can someone setup a foundation to scientifically test Roissy’s hypotheses?

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  46. oh, I meant, that high T or high E girls can fit into either group, not that they’re exclusive.

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  47. i would argue that whats equally as important than the girls level of attractiveness is her conveying how into the sex and into you she is . a 7 whos an animal > a 10 laying there like a log

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  48. males allocated “larger ejaculates to attractive females”… The mechanism behind this remains a mystery for now,

    I always wondered what that little dial between my balls and my asshole was for…

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  49. I like this line from the study:

    “Again unexpectedly, HSA women behaved more negatively when their boyfriends behaved more positively to them”

    Unexpectedly, if you’re a fucking retard.

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  50. Actually, this may explain the female orgasm.

    Let me explain: scientists have debated the evolutionary purpose of the female orgasm. Some see it as avatism; some sort of genetic by-product wherein we’re all given inherently androgynous equipment pre-sex selection. Under this hypothesis, the female orgasm is nothing more than the male orgasm adapting to the female body.

    Others have speculated that the female orgasm has a function: that an orgasm by a female increased her chances of bearing a child.

    So if men’s sperm innately are more attracted to the most attractive female’s eggs, than a less-than-attractive female who orgasms more–and, by corollary, is better in bed–would cheat nature by making herself more fertile than the attractive female, thus compensating for the leisurely swimming sperm.

    This is, of course, mere hypothesis and speculation.

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  51. tazzy:
    a 7 whos an animal > a 10 laying there like a log

    that’s pushing it. unless you are banging 10s on the regular (and if you are your name is johnny depp) a 10 is going to be a great lay no matter how comatose she is in bed. better formulation: a solid 7 who’s an animal > an 8 laying there like a log.

    one more thing. I haven’t noticed any correlation between hotness or ugliness of woman and her enthusiasm in bed. anecdotally, the worst lay i ever had was with one of the less attractive women i’ve banged. since hotness and sexual ferocity don’t have any relation to each other, it’s in a man’s interest to go for the hottest woman he can get. his chance of landing a dead fish with a hot babe would be the same as his chance with an unattractive chick, but he would enjoy the benefit accrued to his ejaculatory ducts firing in tandem across the faceboard bow of the hotter chick.

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  52. Askjoe,
    Indeed, in the Rooshian view of the world, none of these things matters; but like I said above in my lead-off post

    IT MATTERS TO ME.

    Why?

    Well, see, I like to fuck. I see it as art, truly. I don’t do the Pump & Dump, the 60 Seconds of Pleasure (mine, not hers), and the Wham, Bam & Get the Fuck Out.

    So, I like to deal with Women who know what they’re doing, or, would very much like to learn. As a rule, really hot Dimes, are largely apathetic.

    Why?

    Because, as has already been noted in the forum, they’ve been surrounded by Male supplicants all their lives, who are eager just to hit it.

    Not me.

    Roissy knows well my No Chasing Poon Policy, so a chick merely being da bomb to look at isn’t enough for me. She’s gotta work for this dick. I wanna see her sweat.

    While R’s right about relative Male-Female attractiveness playing a role, actually its more rare to see playing itself out in reality, for the simple reason that very few guys are truly hot looking in the eyes of most Women. Which explains in part why they don’t tend to focus as much on looks like we Men do.

    Anyway, I’m simply saying. The hotter the chick, the more likely she is to be a sad sack in the sack. If you’re a Kama Sutra type like me, girlfriend really aint Da Bomb, but more like a Dud.

    Im just sayin.

    The Obsidian

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  53. on July 9, 2009 at 1:49 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “I always wondered what that little dial between my balls and my asshole was for…”

    Mine goes to 11.

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  54. wow, a lot of people are having sex with logs.

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  55. roissy, obsidian:

    “The Hotter the Chick the more likely she is to be a Dead Fuck”

    “this is a myth.

    if you had said “the hotter the chick *in relation to the man she is fucking* the more likely she is to be a dead fuck” you would be closer to the truth.”

    this supports obsidian’s point doesn’t it? i can only compare sexual experiences for myself across a broad spectrum of women. regardless of *my* level of attractiveness, the hotter the chick the less likely she’s going to put in much effort in the sack. s

    he doesn’t have to because she’ll rely on her looks to get the job done, but oftentimes women overestimate the importance of looks. while looks are the #1 factor in keeping my dick hard, there are many other factors. the sounds she makes, the faces she makes, a pussy squeeze in the right places. hot chicks are just more selfish and that shows in their sexual performance. it’s the same argument that makes the case for “the motion of the ocean” versus penis size for men. from what i’ve heard women say, men with very large penises sometimes think that all they have to do is throw their dick in there and the woman will always enjoy herself. they don’t work on technique. they don’t do other things that turn women on and get them off.

    it doesn’t really matter how attractive the guy is…a female 5 banging a male 9 will likely respond more and “put on a better show” than a female 9 or 10 with the same guy.

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  56. i really need to get around to reading “sperm wars”, having read so much about it. i think the points about male sperm and female orgasm (@lurker) are covered there.

    i saw the neg research study when welmer posted it, but it struck me as being too controlled and small-scale for wider application.

    @S./anony- not to beat a dead horse, but roissy’s point is based on the fact that women are not consciously aware of their own desires/behaviors/reactions. i will concur with anony’s point that some men *can* puff up and seek approval when negged by a female. but this is supplicating beta behavior, which will lead to patterns that we all know too well. this is asymmetric to the female reponse when negged by a man, due to the natural dominant/submissive yang/yin dynamic.

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  57. this is interesting. the biggest load i’ve shot in recent memory – one that actually shocked me – was with the youngest girl i’ve ever hooked up with, relative to my age that is.

    lurker, what’s the logic behind the functioning orgasm theory? is it that the spasms will aid in drawing sperm up into the uterus? i’ve read a little about this, but don’t know much.

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  58. “Others have speculated that the female orgasm has a function: that an orgasm by a female increased her chances of bearing a child. ”

    The hypothesis in Sperm Wars is that female orgams are a method by which females can control the amount of sperm uptake and retention from the men she mates with. She orgams with the mates who are the “best” and sucks in more of their sperm giving them a better chance of fathering her children. Its a mechanism via which she can mate with both the Alpha interloper and her beta provider while giving the Alpha interloper a leg up in the mating game.

    My personal pet theory is that the dopamine release when mating with an alpha is also a form psychological reinforement to keep her mating with alpha males. It’s her brain’s way of encourging her, and rewarding her, to mate with Alpha males.

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  59. lurker:

    interesting take.

    i wrote a post a while back about the evolution of the female orgasm. one of the leading hypothesis is called the “Evaluation theory”.

    This theory holds that a woman’s orgasm can be viewed as an evolutionary information database. as she has sex with different partners, she is gathering information about their various qualities. if they are attentive in bed, physically attractive etc. her orgasms (or lack thereof) give her information on the fitness of her partner, both physically and socially to an extent. if he gets her off and she enjoys the sex, she’ll put a positive checkmark by his name.

    his ability to get her off indicates that he’s a caring lover, and this helps sort out the Cad v Dad dilemma.

    from what i’ve read, there is still a lot of controversy over the issue. also, if i take what i’ve read to be true, many of the theories that say that a female orgasm serves to increase fertility have been shown to be flawed and/or wrong.

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  60. I can see why a lot of people coming to read this site would assume that most of the posts are written by 13 year old boys. Then again, maybe modern 13 year olds are now getting more ass than even O is. I am going to roll my eyes back to work now.

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  61. here’s what i wrote about the female orgasm:

    http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/05/female-orgasm.html

    it’s merely a rehash of the much more informative excerpt here:

    http://www.cup.columbia.edu/book/978-0-231-14664-7/how-women-got-their-curves-and-other-justso-stories/excerpt

    the book “how women got their curves” points out that “vaginal upsuck theories” and “flowback” rest on flimsy data. if i remember right, the studies that support those theories involved a sample size of *one*. that’s what we call statistically insignificant.

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  62. chuck:
    this supports obsidian’s point doesn’t it?

    yes and no. ob was making a general statement that hot chicks (8 and above for purposes of discussion) are lame lays by their very nature of being hot. but this is a misreading of the dynamic at play. hot chicks are every bit as enthusiastic in bed as average or ugly chicks, but they have fewer higher quality men than themselves to choose from who would inspire their libido to afternoon delights. thus, the trope that hot chicks are bad lays gets traction among the majority of average men who have had the good fortune to bang a hot chick and noticed she wasn’t responding very well to his presence in the sack.

    similarly, if a 5 girl bangs a 2 man she will also not put much effort into the lovemaking. but get this average chick with a 6 guy, and fireworks shoot off.

    this knowledge can be quite brutal to the average man’s ego, but i spare no one the scythe of my cutting observations, man or woman. and neither does science.

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  63. on July 9, 2009 at 2:05 pm greenlander

    I read “Sperm Wars” (http://www.amazon.com/Sperm-Wars-Infidelity-Conflict-Bedroom/dp/1560258489/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247162572&sr=8-1).

    It’s a great read. I recommend it for everyone here.

    And it basically proves what we all know: all women are whores. Their behavior is evolved to make them raise children with betas with sperm from an alpha.

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  64. Chuck – ‘it doesn’t really matter how attractive the guy is…a female 5 banging a male 9 will likely respond more and “put on a better show” than a female 9 or 10 with the same guy.’

    only if the 5 is comfortable with her sexuality . it may very well be the case that the 5 feels undeserving of the 9 and in turn feels intimidated and insecure , which may cause her to act timidly

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  65. This theory holds that a woman’s orgasm can be viewed as an evolutionary information database. as she has sex with different partners, she is gathering information about their various qualities. if they are attentive in bed, physically attractive etc. her orgasms (or lack thereof) give her information on the fitness of her partner, both physically and socially to an extent. if he gets her off and she enjoys the sex, she’ll put a positive checkmark by his name.

    This only makes sense if the “attentive” partner has more babies than the inattentive one. It seems to me that if anything, the opposite would be the case, because the inattentive one is more likely to be alpha and thus mate with more women and create more babies.

    Also one wonders how this would evolve back in the caveman days when all lovers were “inattentive” (a three-second pump and dump that we see among primates in the wild hardly qualifies as “attentive”). Did the female orgasm evolve after civilization was established?

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  66. and a related study, just out today:

    Attractive Males Release Fewer Sperm

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090709095425.htm

    It is different from the other study, but draws similar conclusions.

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  67. Very simple logic behind this.

    Blowing a huge load is more costly than a jizztrickle. Part of this is the actual energy/protein content of the sperm, but it’s also the opportunity cost of having that sperm “on deck” in case another partner comes along. A man will expend energy and forgone opportunities to maximize his chance of impregnating a 10, but not so much for a 5. This is assuming either 1) Offspring with the 10 will be fitter than same from the 5, 2) The 10 is more fertile, thus there is a higher marginal probability of impregnation with her relative to the 5, or 3) Both. Seems plausible.

    Zdeno

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  68. I have to disagree with this entire premise that sex is better based on the quality of the girl…and I have a life experience to back it up.

    The quality of the sex is in direct correlation to the “giving” ratio of the chick. For the most part there is high indirect correlation between looks and “giving.” So that tells me that uglier chicks tend to be more giving in the sack.

    Usually the uglier the more giving. I can’t tell you how many good looking chicks i have laid down in my bed and they just fucking sit there and take it.

    But without a doubt, this big girl I took home from Chi-Cha lounge about 7 years ago, will forever be my best lay. Chick was riding me and rubbing my balls at the same time (only a giver would perform such a move.) Chick let me hit it one more time in the morning to take care of my morning wood (how many givers would do that?). Chick thought my slong was a hose, after a 10 mile walk in the desert (only a true servant for a woman would carry such a fine persona)

    The girl was obviously aiming to please, which is a trait far too rare in this “all power lawyer-ish” city.

    God bless the givers I say. Promote um all!

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  69. roissy:

    i suggest re-tooling your original scale so that it’s more DA friendly. for example:

    ebony p0rn – 1 ply

    MILF p0rn – 2 ply

    “normal” p0rn – hand-towel

    p0rn with starlets with fake tits, acrylic nails, and tattoos- bath towel

    cuckold p0rn with starlets with fake tits, acrylic nails, and tattoos – beach towel

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  70. Chuck,
    Roissy’s legit refinement on my point only drives it home even more, when you think about it-not many guys are, for lack of a better way of putting it, Clark Gable cute. So this fact could very well play into things, I don’t doubt it.

    The bottomline is, the upper tier chicks, for whatever reason, tend not to be really great lays, from a skills or enthusiasm standpoint, unless dude is cute in the ways outlined above, and/or he’s really exceptional in some other way.

    O

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  71. “Did the female orgasm evolve after civilization was established?”

    No, chimps and some other primates have evolved female orgasm.

    “It seems to me that if anything, the opposite would be the case, because the inattentive one is more likely to be alpha and thus mate with more women and create more babies.”

    The whole thing is hard for me to sort through, so i can’t claim to know the answers, but one thing is that alphas are more attentive lovers. there have been studies with grizzly bears that show that subordinate bears swivel their head around while mating because they’re looking for the alpha male. they also ejaculate faster. if the female grizzly had orgasms, she’s probably be less pleased with the subordinate.

    an alpha male that knows what he’s doing and takes his time will give more orgasms. this will tell the female that she should fuck him more often.

    the whole dad v cad issue throws a wrench in it for me. from my understanding, evo bio doesn’t account much for the fact that many *modern-day* women seem to prefer cads. evolution perhaps hasn’t had time to deal with this development, so the orgasm could have *evolved* to select positively for dads, but it might not be as relevant today because of societal developments (nanny state that allows for women to raise children alone).

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  72. chuck:
    i suggest re-tooling your original scale so that it’s more DA friendly. for example:

    ebony p0rn – 1 ply

    haha. not bad. i’d add this category:

    porn featuring fake titted, acrylic nailed, tatted, orange-tanned, lantern-jawed, tranny-looking guidettes cuckolding their boyfriends while they watch forlornly from a chair in the corner — tarp.

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  73. I vaugely remember some *feminist* blathering about how the pull out method works as a good contraceptive for her.

    Might of been a youtube video… anyone know which one I am talking about?

    Either way this explains why it works so well.

    Well done as usual Roissy.

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  74. @S:

    “I’m sure attraction to callous, non-chalant behavior is partially a throwback to some visceral Alpha attraction, but if we inverse the problem, resistance to flattery and niceties may stem from some place that feels she is undeserving.”

    This is true.

    @roissy:

    “feeling undeserving of a lover’s niceties is the lacquered finish over the knotted soulwood of the woman’s primate brain SOSing her that such niceties are the telltale marks of an unworthy mate.”
    Only if they are clingy, annoying, and crazy.

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  75. “Only if they are clingy, annoying, and crazy.”
    —describe yourself much there, Mandy?

    The commune is calling, sister!

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  76. roissy, o:

    i see both sides. if we go to the extremes, a 10, if she feels she has to (perhaps to wrangle a supreme alpha male), will exert just as much effort and be just as skillful in bed as a fat chick fucking like its her last time.

    the kink in that argument arises if a 10 has fewer opportunities to experience this, since there are fewer men who can create this feeling in her, she won’t have put in enough practice holes to actually be all that good.

    an ugly broad who is grateful for any dick thrown at her has had ample amounts of full-speed copulations if you will. she has actually been turned on and has responded in kind. therefore her skills would be better. but now it’s starting to seem like a giant circular argument.

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  77. Chuck,
    Indeed-which raises a very important question: which is more important, merely a hot looking chick, or a chick that can fuck like a mynx?

    Now sure, ideally you wanna get the best of both worlds. Me though, knowing what I do about Dimes, once you get em to your bed, its really all about the skills and/or eagerness. If not either, its really a waste, to me.

    Im just sayin.

    O

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  78. @lurker:

    “—describe yourself much there, Mandy?”
    Well…
    I guess opposite forces attract
    and like forces repel.

    That’s why you and I never got along. 😦

    “The commune is calling, sister!”
    After you.

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  79. “After you.”
    –no thanks; left wing morons like you have your special “re-education camps” for us “racist” non-Nobama voters.

    Viva la revolucion, you commie bitch!

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  80. @lurker:

    I like how you ignored the first half of my post because you couldn’t even think of a comeback for it.

    And now I’m leaving because I have nothing else to contribute to this topic. No experience with the sex0rz.

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  81. Now about that orgasm…

    Chuck, I think you may be closer. Women have orgasms with men they feel have better genes.

    Therefore, a lower-attractive woman would have more orgasms than a higher one because the lower one has more men whose genes are better than hers.

    I feel that the uglier the woman, the better in bed, with of course outliers. But I have not experienced Roissy’s level of poon.

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  82. “And now I’m leaving because I have nothing intelligent to contribute to any topic ever.”

    —FTFY.

    Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

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  83. chuck:
    the kink in that argument arises if a 10 has fewer opportunities to experience this, since there are fewer men who can create this feeling in her, she won’t have put in enough practice holes to actually be all that good.

    this is an interesting thought, and it may well be true that truly hot babes don’t fuck as much as less attractive girls, presumably leading to poorer skills in the sack, but i think the question of fuck frequency as it relates to female hotness is an open one. i have written before in my posts about sluts that the true queens of sluttitude are the 5, 6 and 7 girls, because they are just good-looking enough to score easy lays with greater betas and alphas and tend to fuck around as a result, going from one sexual high to another on the alpha cock carousel thinking it is real love. the eternal problem for them (see: single mom lady rain) is securing an LTR with one of these alphas.

    i have also noted that 9s and 10s — paradoxically the girls with the most access to quality dick — may fuck around a lot less because they are a hell of a lot choosier than the 6s and 7s and also are restricted in their choice by a much smaller pool of higher quality men than themselves.

    then there is the problem in the theory of “slut practice makes perfect” that bedroom skills are necessarily the result of fucking around with a lot of different men. i don’t see a case for this presumption. a 9 who fucks only one man, but fucks him three times every day for years, will have nearly as much acquired skill at pleasing men in bed as the 7 who fucks 20 different men for years. this is because what it takes to please a man sexually is pretty much the same across malehood.

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  84. There are compensatory efforts practiced by some low value people, one guy I knew prided himself on his oral skills (making up for him being him). Sure, some ugly chicks can probably suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch. But that behavior comes off as pathetic. How many people have gotten cornered by cougars and hungry hippos that brag about their skills.

    We can’t all be O and G-man, having a harem of dimes and nines to compare and contrast the prowess of each one in order to weed out the prudish and amateurish but I think Joey Tribbiani’s advice to get better looking is the best help if your girl is a “log.”

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  85. Obsidian–

    However, I must say, that for me at least, a gal merely being hot isn’t enough. She has to be skilled, and failing that, at least an eager beaver, for me to really get off. The Obsidian has had quite a few Kim Kardashian-like experiences, where the Dime just lays there like a dead mackarel. Talk about a dead fuck.

    Agreed.

    In addition, sexiness before the bedroom stage, as well as in it, is more than static hotness that one sees in a picture (with maybe just a hint of the other). It’s even more than a moving picture esp. if she isn’t interacting with anyone in the video. It’s a vibe. It’s a receptivity or unsuppressed hunger for power playing, perhaps back and forth some, as well as strongly in one direction.

    This is different from just good clean fun enthusiasm and active movements, though they’re certainly better than lying there or limpid movement. It’s a mind and soul thing. It’s a hunger thing and a willingness to lose it, really lose it.

    Much of this must be inspired by the man. But much of this must be available at temperature and not too buried or layered over in the woman.

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  86. or maybe if you are getting laid because you’ve shelled out serious beta game movie, wine and dine seduction instead of more alpha-ish methods, the obligatory post-third-date gateway opening won’t be as fun for the girl.

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  87. This contradicts what I’ve always thought – that the better looking and fitter woman is better in bed because she feels more confident.

    EX: a very fit woman with a nice figure would be more willing to twist herself into various positions because she’s confident that she looks good from every angle, whereas an unfit woman will stay put in the 1 or 2 positions she thinks she looks good in.

    Hence with the fit woman there would be more variety and action in bed.

    I can’t tell you how many “health and fitness” articles I’ve read that say that fitter people have better sex because they feel more confident about their bodies. (when you look good, you feel good type logic)

    Maybe they were just trying to sell me something?

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  88. single mom:
    Don’t bring me into this shit! I have no desire to be involved in a LTR with anyone!! Ugh, please. I hate the maintenance of a LTR and just don’t want to be bothered.

    sour grapes.

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  89. then there is the problem in the theory of “slut practice makes perfect” that bedroom skills are necessarily the result of fucking around with a lot of different men. i don’t see a case for this presumption. a 9 who fucks only one man, but fucks him three times every day for years, will have nearly as much acquired skill at pleasing men in bed as the 7 who fucks 20 different men for years. this is because what it takes to please a man sexually is pretty much the same across malehood.

    this is true. men tend to be much less fickle in what turns us on and gets us off.

    the other problem with the ‘hot girls may not get enough practice’ idea is that women don’t really need all that much practice. they need to be hot. other than attractiveness the main things that turn men on are eagerness and the ability to let go.

    in my personal experience, i haven’t found much correlation between a woman’s looks or sexual history and how she is in bed. there are plenty of notorious sluts who are terrible in bed and plenty of ‘good girls’ who morph into complete freaks when they’re with the right guy.

    they only reliable correlation i buy into is that the hotness of the sex is directly related to the amount of alpha behavior the guy demonstrates.

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  90. on July 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “We can’t all be O and G-man”

    The G-man is a national treasure. Obsidian is a troll. Please don’t use their names in the same sentence.

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  91. R, excellent points, and goes along w/one of your taglines, Biomechanics is God.

    Think about it-theres only so many truly hot Alpha Males to go around, notably less so than Queen Bee hot babes. So by definition she’s gonna have fewer chances to cut her conjugal teeth, to say nothing about being able to snag such a male, due to the very high demand.

    Here we see Nature balancing things out again-merely being hot doesn’t solve all her problems. Indeed, it could add to it.

    O

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  92. On a personal note, which correlates to what I wrote above regarding confidence levels and performance, I am much freer, open, active and experimental with men who think my body is gorgeous and verbalize that often, than with men who don’t think I’m gorgeous or never verbalize appreciatians for my body.

    I can’t tell you what a confidence booster and subsequent aphrodisiac it is to have a man appreciate details of a woman’s body.

    In both cases I’m the same woman, with the same looks and figure. The difference in my confidence levels and hence willingness to twist and turn and pounce and bounce lies mainly in what I think the man is thinking while I’m doing all that.

    If I know he thinks my body is hot, I will act hot. If I know he thinks “hmmmmm she’s not that hot”…. I won’t act that hot. I will feel intimadated and “less than”.

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  93. Don’t bring me into this shit! I have no desire to be involved in a LTR with anyone!! Ugh, please. I hate the maintenance of a LTR and just don’t want to be bothered.

    Well, then you should be happy that the number of men interested in a LTR with you is negligibly small and getting smaller every day as you get older. But you will be able to console yourself through the ownership of large numbers of cats…

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  94. “I love to hang out with men and have them in my life, so long as they’re willing to clean my house, wash my car, and cook for me without any hope of getting sex out of it.”

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  95. (Off topic, but can’t resist.)

    Here’s the one trick pony described yesterday as an alpha –

    http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=54191

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  96. roissy,

    you write a lot about pickup, and some about managing relationships; you should add some post on alpha sexual behavior.

    the biggest single improvement to my sex life came when i realized that the best way to get women to do what i wanted in bed was to simply tell them to do it or to just go ahead and start doing it.

    i wonder how many guys are still doing silly shit like asking for blow jobs.

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  97. lance:
    you write a lot about pickup, and some about managing relationships; you should add some post on alpha sexual behavior.

    good timing. i have a couple of posts coming up that deal with just such a topic. it will be NC17, so people like alias clio may want to skip those, and people like lady rain will feel right at home.

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  98. i wonder how many guys are still doing silly shit like asking for blow jobs.

    80% – Or, those who are beta/omega.

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  99. i wonder how many guys are still doing silly shit like asking for blow jobs.

    How else are you gonna get her to do it?

    At 22 I discovered that once the first-time kissing & making out starts and I just ask her “will you go down on me” or “will you kiss it” the girl will do it. This is 100% percent effective in my expereince. I got token resistance from some, but they all did it.

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  100. It’s how you ask her — begging vs. with a confident smile

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  101. PA –

    I always preferred standing up, guiding her to kneel down, and just ever-so-carefully placing my love-stogie right between her eyes.

    they all did it, as well.

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  102. I think we ALL fake an orgasm at one point or another. I do it because it actually makes me feel like I’m getting a little more pleasure than I actually am. Also, the panting, moans, sighs and screams make him come and finish faster.

    Most, if not all men, need direction from a woman in bed. Especially if the man has been told that he’s “good in bed” in the past. Men seem to think that what works with 1, 2 or even 10 women is going to work with all of us. It doesn’t. I have had to “train” every single lover of mine as to what makes my body work.

    Some men are, or course, better than others. But what really makes a man good in bed is how willing he is to listen to the woman and apply what she says. And that means, each time he is with a woman, he has to approach it like a clean slate. He can’t assume that what pleased the last woman he was with is going to please the woman he is currently with. That is a BIG mistake.

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  103. @Roissy:

    Yes, I renege on my initial statement.

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  104. on July 9, 2009 at 4:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””I’ve no doubt science will continue to prove my theories, maxims and observations about men and women correct. If you are able to jettison the great lies that have been foisted on you from birth by nearly everyone around you, from your parents to your peers to the culture at large, you will discover that science eventually comes around to confirming at least 80% of your personal, anecdotal observations.

    It’s a good feeling to live with truth.””””””””””””””

    Cool post. Think penise damage as well. A ten will cause you to keep fucking long after it is advisable to do so for you dicks sake he he he

    I guess why we can develope callouses.

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  105. duece bigalow wrote: “Ive been reading the blog for about a year now. Its helped me in a lot of ways yet its hard not to come out cynical from the whole experience.”

    Reading this blog has made me less cynical because I now understand that women are not evil; instead, they merely act according to their nature. That is, they respond to their emotions, which are their genes’ way of communicating their replication and survival strategy.

    I view being the descendant of a long line of a winning evolutionary replication and survival strategy to be a positive and uplifting status, and it causes me to marvel at and trust human nature, not be distrustful or cynical about human nature.

    Thus, this blog has made me less hateful and more accepting of women.

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  106. yeah, guns, there is that. 6 hours with a 10 or 10 minutes with a 6.

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  107. @mandy- “the metamorphosis”? which one of us turns into a cockroach?

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  108. Every man deserves a 10, no questions asked.

    The problem is how far are you going to push yourself trough the despair, the humiliation, the frustration and the occasional flake that inevitably comes with this game.(esp in the beginning.)

    The men who get 10’s derserve them why? because those men didn’t sell themselves short.

    as opposed to the men who weeded themselves/their genes out of existence as mystery would put it.

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  109. Wilbur,
    Very well said. I agree 100%.

    O

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  110. @askjoe:

    “There are compensatory efforts practiced by some low value people…”

    Too true. I’ve heard way too many anecdotal accounts of girls with braces/girls who have had braces being better at giving blowjobs just because they feel the need to compensate.

    @Auntyji:

    Also, too true. If you’re not confident about your body, you’ll feel more diffident in bed, less adventurous, less willing to switch up positions, etc. Fat girls on top are not a pretty sight, or so I can imagine. Also, if you’re more fit, you have better stamina.

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  111. Interesting per Roissy’s observation on female 9s and 10s not fucking around as much as 7s and 8s….could the Bell Curve apply here, where 6s-8s (women only) get the most sex, and the 9s/10s shoot as low as 2s-3s?

    oh, and Mandy, I thought (gloriously) you were stfu. Another liberal lying and breaking promises? Why did I believe?????

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  112. Mo, you’re a dork. 😉

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  113. @Wilbur:

    “I view being the descendant of a long line of a winning evolutionary replication and survival strategy to be a positive and uplifting status, and it causes me to marvel at and trust human nature, not be distrustful or cynical about human nature.

    Thus, this blog has made me less hateful and more accepting of women.”

    Exactly.

    Same thing goes for women: women can hate men for being visual, for “thinking about sex all the time,” etc.

    But, honestly, if it were a terrible thing, then humans wouldn’t evolve to be that way. I’m not saying that every individual is the same, but everyone is human, and there are bound to be core similarities from person to person.

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  114. The Insurance: I don’t like fiction, so I can’t help you with that. Non-fiction is where its at.

    Read: The 48 Laws Of Power by Rogert Greene and The Prince by Machiavelli.

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  115. on July 9, 2009 at 4:15 pm The Insurance

    And Roissy, I’m sure you do have tons of great characters from your own life.

    But surely you don’t personally know any David Alexanders. And frankly I think a greek fucking tragedy could be written about that guy.

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  116. The positive correlation between attractiveness and being a good lay also applies to men. Attractive men aren’t self-involved in bed, as much as I’ve heard it. They have more experience, and subsequently make the experience smooth, and comfortable as possible. The lesser attractive men I’ve been with generally didn’t last as long, and were hyper-concerned about every little transition, and position. They initiated less of the action.

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  117. @maurice:

    Well, I wasn’t thinking in terms of romantic relationships. I was thinking more of what can happy to betas. Working hard in this society, just trying to provide. Then, bam, he turns into a cockroach, can’t help pay off his family’s debt, and is abandoned.

    Then he dies alone.

    That’s really sad. 😦

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  118. on July 9, 2009 at 4:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””El Chief,
    4. Can someone setup a foundation to scientifically test Roissy’s hypotheses?”””””””””

    Lets do it.

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  119. I’m not too sure about the whole size of gal = more or less inherent fitness thing. I tend to go for more Zaftig gals, and they seem to be able to keep up w/me just fine. Earlier this week and last week I wore Brown Sugah out for no less than a hour straight each time, and she hung in there like a champ, although she quickly fell off to sleep afterwards, lol.

    And Lurker, I think you’re on it wrt to the Female Hotness vs Sexual Skills Bell Curve. Very interesting thought.

    O

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  120. @ PA:

    maybe we are essentially saying the same thing, but i make sure to never phrase it as a question. i either say it as a command, like ‘use your mouth’, or just present it to her… sometimes with a ribbon like it’s xmas morning.

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  121. S, the problem I’ve faced with very attractive and experienced men in bed is that they assume that what worked with other women will work with me. And, they can be relunctant to really listen to a woman and apply what she’s saying in bed, because they take it as a blow to their ego. I’m not saying ALL experienced, attractive men are like this, but the one’s I have had were like that.

    They were so sure of themselves in bed that they just could not fathom that what they were doing was not turning me on.

    I’m thinking that men’s anatomy is not as complex as the female form. We have alot of nooks and crannies and secret passages to work with – and we want them to be worked with and worked with well. Rare is the man who can do all of that. Fortunately, some men are willing to learn.

    But like I said above, each new woman is a clean slate. You kind of have to start from the beginning with each new woman.

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  122. “Every man deserves a 10, no questions asked. ”

    nobody deserves anything. 10s sort themselves out. people reap what they sow. if a man led a life that garners him 5s and 6s, then that’s what he “deserves”.

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  123. @lurker:

    “oh, and Mandy, I thought (gloriously) you were stfu. Another liberal lying and breaking promises? Why did I believe?????”

    I had nothing to contribute at that moment. So I left, instead of taking your bait, and extending the fight. It annoys everyone when 100 comments are dedicated to two people arguing over inane crap.

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  124. @Obsidian:

    It’s not only about the fitness aspect of it, but generally slimmer girls are more confident in bed, and therefore willing to try new things, and not be so diffident.

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  125. @Auntyji:

    Sensitivity is an important thing. But, I think most men with base perception listen when you ask to go slower/be softer, especially if it’s downright uncomfortable for you. Fundamentally, it takes the same things to please a woman. Also, if you have a partner who’s really inexperienced/doesn’t know what to do, it’s easy to just take the lead and direct him.

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  126. insurance:
    And Roissy, I’m sure you do have tons of great characters from your own life.

    But surely you don’t personally know any David Alexanders. And frankly I think a greek fucking tragedy could be written about that guy.

    as a matter of fact, i used to know someone who was very much like a white DA, in practice if not in trollery.

    btw, the book i am writing will not be fiction, nor will it be a non-fiction game compendium. it can be best described as ornamental non-fiction.

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  127. on July 9, 2009 at 4:31 pm Seeking_Alpha

    btw, the book i am writing will not be fiction, nor will it be a non-fiction game compendium. it can be best described as ornamental non-fiction.

    Like Tucker Max? I hope not.

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  128. ” if you have a partner who’s really inexperienced/doesn’t know what to do, it’s easy to just take the lead and direct him.”

    >>>>>>>>

    And that’s why I’ve come to prefer less experienced men. They listen, they learn and I can mold them into perfect lovers that are tailored-made to suit my body.

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  129. Ok- just used the supposed “perfect” dead zone (Roissy) text on 10 dead phone numbers- lets see if that text raises some numbers out of the grave.

    I switched the words up a little so that it isn’t verbatim, but its close enough.

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  130. @ insurance:

    check out michel houellebecq if you want fiction that deals with some of the same themes as roissy does.

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  131. chuck: You didn’t read the rest of my post.

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  132. S,
    Sorry w/all due respect that hasn’t been my experience. I’ve had a few slimmer honies, and they don’t seem to be any more flexible or have any more stamina than their more zaftig sisters. Just hasn’t tallied w/my experience.

    Plus, as a rule, I tend to shy away from the more slimmer gals, because, quite frankly, I’d hurt em. 😉

    O
    The Hardcharger

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  133. @Gunslingergregi

    “The Edsel A. Roissy Foundation for Copulation Science”

    (A for Alpha)

    I am in.

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  134. Like Tucker Max? I hope not.

    you mean a series of gross-out vignettes involving ass sludge and midgets? no.

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  135. <blockquote?S.

    @Auntyji:

    Sensitivity is an important thing. But, I think most men with base perception listen when you ask to go slower/be softer, especially if it’s downright uncomfortable for you. Fundamentally, it takes the same things to please a woman. Also, if you have a partner who’s really inexperienced/doesn’t know what to do, it’s easy to just take the lead and direct him.

    how the fuck did this exchange make it past moderation? at least cue the soft music and bring me a cup of herbal tea before i have to read something like that. anyway, it’s 4:30; shouldn’t you gals be watching oprah?

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  136. “I now understand that women are not evil; instead, they merely act according to their nature” – Wilbur

    You’re half way there. Now get to understanding that a significant portion of their nature is evil (as is that of men). Once you’re comfortable with that, you’ll be in good shape.

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  137. @ Ozornik

    Wtf – They’re all dwarfs.

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  138. Km,
    I really don’t see the point of harboring such thoughts. It kinda reminds me of Arpie’s hangups, you know? Best to simply recognize that Women are human beings too, and keep it moving.

    O

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  139. S, another point, women like to be romanced and foreplayed, I think we can all agree on that across the board.

    However, when it comes to what will make a woman orgasmic, we all differ. Some achieve vaginal orgasms, some clitoral, some both, some neither.

    Stimulation of the clitorous is what will bring about clitoral orgasm but not the same type of stimulus for ever woman.

    Men generally don’t “get” that it’s not the stimulation that does it but the type of stimulation – rhythm, touch (some women like direct, some in-direct), etc.

    Vaginal orgasms can be very difficult to achieve and take longer time to get to the threshold.

    Men equate ejaculation with orgasm. They think if they ejaculate, that means they’ve orgasmed, and to some extent that is true. However, men who are multi-orgasmic know the difference.

    Men assume because a woman is wet or released juice, that she’s orgasmed. WRONG.

    I don’t know how many times I’ve been wet and juicy but did not achieve orgasm. Usually the wet and juicy is because of reaching a heightened state of arousal and stimulation, plateuing their, but never achieving climax.

    This happens often with men who think they are “good lovers”…… they do not have the stamina to wade it out the length of time it would take me to climax.

    But I’m wet and screaming so they think I’ve orgasmed.

    I’m always able to orgasm through auto-stimulation (masterbation), but not so with men.

    It’s a rhythm thing.

    I know my patterns and can control myself.

    It take time to train men in this and many of them find it tedious. Fortunately there are a few who don’t.

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  140. to Mikkel –

    that’s not a point, take a second look at those pics:

    http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=54191

    Medvedev is drunk as a a skunk

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  141. Sorry, Lance.

    Corroborative evidence to support the theory that 9s, 10s don’t get laid as much: I know a hideous, fat girl (ugly in the face and body, no semblance of an hourglass), who has racked up 15 partners by 20. She lost her virgnity in a bar washroom in the ‘burbs. Reason? She doesn’t know where or when her next lay or come on is coming, so she takes them all.

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  142. @ Mandy: The Fountainhead is an interesting choice in this context–just reread it a few days ago. Rand’s hero can only be considered the alpha male within the framework of her philosophy. He gets the alpha female. Within the philosophical framework of this blog, Rand’s evil antihero Peter Keating would be the alpha male that all the girls want.

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  143. yeah, O’s post wasn’t a long winded bragging session. weird.

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  144. on July 9, 2009 at 5:05 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Rand’s evil antihero Peter Keating would be the alpha male that all the girls want.

    I’m not so sure about that. Letting someone fuck your wife so you can get the commission. I don’t imagine Roissy being down with that.

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  145. I think a woman’s orgasm has a much simpler explanation. It makes women want to have sex. Human beings are pretty much the only animals who can override their instincts. If there was no orgasm, women wouldn’t want to have sex and there would be many fewer babies.

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  146. on July 9, 2009 at 5:08 pm Tupac Chopra

    Wynand is the alpha of The Fountainhead

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  147. and oops, meant to throw a big shout out to Chuck for his suggested DA

    “TOWEL SCALE!” hahah

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  148. There is a lot of sloppy thinking going on with respect to the whole alpha, beta, swpl thing.

    ITRW, alpha, beta, and omega are how people interact with each other, some lead, some follow, some are individuals. There is a theory that omegas are people that go their own way and can eat an alpha for breakfast.

    In R’s worldview (and I guess, the “community”), alpha is getting ass (via being a natural, peacocking, being famous, or learning to “act alpha”). Betas and omegas are something different.

    In the Fountainhead, the owner of the newspaper is a real world alpha as he fought his way up the ladder, a PUA alpha as he gets chicks. Keating was a beta provider, a beta architect (no original ideas, follows others). Roarke was an omega architect (he went his own way, did not care to lead or follow). He was, I guess, a greater beta as he didn’t score…or try…but still wound up with a hottie because she choose him for his real world skills, not that he stood contrapposto.

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  149. S:

    similarly, every chick i’ve known that has racked up huge numbers of guys has been fat or formerly so. two chicks had racked up 20 guys by the age of 20, another hefty chick claims to have had 100 by the time she was 30. another girl i currently work with (she used to weigh 275 but is down to 130 now) has truthfully already had 3 one-night stands during the first 9 days of july alone.

    another factor is that fat, ugly chicks could just advertise their sluttiness more than other women. they might just talk about it more often because they think that will draw men to them. they are often right. this doesn’t prove that fat chicks or chicks lower on the scale have more sex, but i tend to think it’s true.

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  150. Tunacanman,
    Very interesting theory! I too await to hear Roissy’s thoughts.

    O

    PS: Askjoe, don’t hate.

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  151. I forgot about Wynand. Absolutely the alpha. Can Roark really be described as beta, though? Lesser alpha?

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  152. galt was uber alpha better then wynand!

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  153. re: argument about a bell curve for female sexual activity.

    i support that argument. it’s pretty well-established that most people hook up with people in their general vicinity on the scale. 5s generally hook up with 4s-6s. it makes sense that those women in the middle of the scale have more sex because they have more options, both of their own choosing and the choosing of men.

    women at the very high end of the scale, if they uphold this rule, are very limited in the men they would be attracted to. a 10 might not settle for an 8, and it is theoretically impossible for a 10 female to hook up with an “11”.

    so the attractive women’s prospects are cut in half. assuming that hot women like sex just as much as average women or ugly women, their market is still half that of the average woman, but it’s by the *hot woman’s choosing*.

    on the other end of the scale, warpigs are limited in their exposure to sex because men don’t want to fuck them, and a 1 female can’t fuck a “0” male because, like the “11”, they don’t exist. their options are also cut in half, and there are other issues like debilitating deformities, excess skin and what-not that prevent hook-ups for 1s.

    therefore, those in the middle of the scale have the most feasible options; they have more sex. i rest my case.

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  154. -update- on the perfect deadzone text.

    i already got a 20% hit rate on that text.
    Keep in mind the chicks that wrote me back had never (NEVER) written me even once before.

    They wouldn’t write back to anything- not to CF not to negs, not to dates, not to any texts whatsoever.

    They did respond to that perfect Roissy text.
    They didn’t seem too happy tho.

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  155. on July 9, 2009 at 5:33 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Let’s cut the ‘Which Rand Character is Alpha/Beta’ talk now, please?

    But I’ll agree Wynand is alpha.

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  156. Chuck – your “generally” qualifier as to people hookin up with those of similar looks blows your argument. A 10 has the most options. He or she may well nt deign to exercise them as often as they could.

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  157. What about dick sucking skills?

    One time I was with this girl- pretty face- but curvy- not fat but VERY curvy.
    But, what she did when she sucked my dick was INSANE!

    I mean her dick sucking skills were so fucking insane. She has a huge unshaved bush as well.
    She sucked me off 4 times in one damn night.

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  158. Game in BK, oral sex has come along in the last 20 years as a game changer.

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  159. Chuck,
    Very good analysis, I agree with that. And just to pickup on your points in relation to S’s observations, I saw a study online that clearly stated that fat chicks got laid MORE, not less, than other chicks do. The reasons why weren’t made clear, at least not to my satisfaction; but what were uncovering here just may do the trick.

    Comments?

    O

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  160. Somewhat OT — Drudge has a pic of Obama scoping out some white chick’s ass at the G8 Summit. Sakorzy is clearly laughing at him.

    Beta move I think.

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  161. on July 9, 2009 at 5:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””tunacanman,
    (a) Ahem – genital appearance
    (hot pornstar labia and sweet bewbage near the ten range, vs ragged out roast beef lips and different sized or hairy boobs come in closer to the latter end of the scale)

    (b) Body chemistry – smell and taste
    (everlasting gobstopper tang that leaks liquid manna which you cannot get enough of, vs SPS stench that makes you pucker your lips and gag)”””””””””””””””’

    Yea a perfect looking pussy is art. Along with smell and taste.

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  162. @ Seeking: ironic comment, ha ha. But I see it as a relevant topic since there’s a good amount of debate as to whether pure alphadom is a desirable goal. Obviously, everyone here is somewhat interested in PUA, but many people also seem to hold certain life principles that would prevent them pursuing roissy-level alphadom. Rand’s characterizations address this, since her whole construct is designed to show what constitutes a life of philosophical integrity–life as an idealistic mission. But even in her fictional vision, this way of being does not correlate to getting lots of pussy.

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  163. Game in BK,
    From my experience the really curvy gals tend to be much better at sucking dick than their thinner counterparts, all other things being equal. Why?

    Because, I think, they like to eat, and for Women food=sex=erotica, and so on. So these are Women who like to put things in their mouths. They are very, intensely oral, as you’ve witnessed firsthand.

    Personally, the best cocksuckers I’ve seen go to work were the more curvier ones, the really loved it, and even when they weren’t technically proficient they made up for that w/sheer gusto. Of course, there are gals here who are a blend of both. When you run accross them, lookout.

    O

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  164. That was five years ago, i have never been sucked that well since- i suspect it may never happen again.

    Like the afc chump that i was- i left her to get back with my ex who had dumped me once and cheated on me- then dumped me again.

    i deleted her number- and i had no way to reconnect- i still check ancient msn or yahoo email accounts hoping to find the old number- i even check facebook (when my dick throbs) every once in a while for her- but her first and last name is common enough that it makes it nigh impossible to find her.

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  165. It is also the case that wealthy men give women more orgasms:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article5537017.ece

    Men have better sex with hotter women and women have better sex with wealthy men.

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  166. Question for Whiskey, also a bit OT:

    WHY don’t you ever mention The Wire when your talking about tv shows?

    WHY?

    Thanks.

    O

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  167. on July 9, 2009 at 5:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ok everyone calm down it was only a test of the broadcasting system. If it had been real you would have actually seen the word black.

    Back to regularly scheduled talking about pussy.

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  168. on July 9, 2009 at 6:00 pm Willard Libby

    Ozornik – to Mikkel –

    that’s not a point, take a second look at those pics:

    http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=54191

    Medvedev is drunk as a a skunk.

    A Russian man is drunk? Wow, let me right down the date.

    That is kinda Alpha. You are at a major meeting of world leaders are you’re like –

    “Fuck it, I want some vodka and I want it NOW! I’m tired of chit chating and posing with you fuckers anyway.”

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  169. on July 9, 2009 at 6:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    I would also go with length of time spent apart for ltrs amount of time you would have to dream about your woman vs how much and how far the load goes. 8 months and fucking you get your dick to be detroyed. Year and two months you break the pelvis of your woman.

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  170. Well, here again it looks like a case can be made for HBD wrt Game and related topics.

    Clearly the hottest babes, represented on our Bell Curve by being on the extreme right side, are both blessed and cursed-their hotness gives them access to the hottest guys, but, there are inherently fewer hot guys to begin with, fewer in sheer numbers than there are really hot babes. So that’s a major problem for them in terms of who they can get with because they’re essentially competing with all the other hot babes, plus the second tier babes in the middle of the curve as well.

    So, as they have fewer chances for really hot guys, they also have fewer chances to develop their conjugal skills.

    On the other hand, the middle of the curve gals, say, the 4s,5s,6s and perhaps 7s, are getting more cock by square mile than they can possibly handle. This is due to a number of factors, but I think a very important one is what Chuck noted that they have the best chance of appealing to more guys in both directions, to the right and left of the male attractiveness curve. Therefore they tend to have more fuckable skills.

    Now, a really fine female doesn’t have to screw every guy that comes along, because if she plays off her sheer beauty enough, she can get most things she wants from most guys w/o actually putting out. For example, the really hot chick at the club knows she can get tons of guys to buy her free drinks w/o doing anything in return.

    The downside of course is that the guys she wants may be occupied w/a “bubble” chick, whose own problem is that she’ll have trouble hanging on to the higher value male unless she can figure out a way to suck a meaner dick or something like that.

    Of course, none of this addresses those on the extreme left end of the attractiveness Bell Curve-what do we do w/them, male and female both?

    So, hot babes, 8s and above, have fewer chances for getting guys “on their level”, and they also have fewer chances to develop their couch skills as well. That’s not entirely bad, as, we all know, such a gal being known to have too many cocks up her can hurt her value out on the market.

    On the other hand, the gals in the middle of the curve can definitely get more cock, but their problem is that they can’t attract the hi post males due in part to more mileage on the booty, and, because they are competing fiercely w/the hottest babes for the relatively Few Good Men.

    Meanwhile, the gals on the extreme left end of the curve get dildos and cats.

    Interesting!

    The Obsidian

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  171. A bit more research on the neg. It is well recognized by science that particularly men with low mate value use negs to retain their women.

    “Mate value of romantic partners predicts men’s partner-directed verbal insults”
    Personality and Individual Differences, Volume 46, Issue 2, January 2009, Pages 135-139
    Emily J. Miner, Todd K. Shackelford, Valerie G. Starratt

    Abstract

    To prevent a partner’s infidelity and defection from the relationship, men perform mate retention behaviors, sometimes inflicting costs on their partners. These cost-inflicting mate retention behaviors are considered high-risk because in addition to decreasing the likelihood of future infidelity, they also may increase the likelihood of future relationship defection. Although previous research has indicated that mate value (expected future reproduction; [Trivers, R.L. (1972). Parental investment and sexual selection. In: B. Campbell (Ed.), Sexual selection and the descent of man, 1871-1971. Aldine, Chicago, pp. 136-179]) may be related to mate retention generally [Buss, D.M. (2003). The evolution of desire (rev. ed.). New York: Basic Books; Buss, D.M., & Shackelford, T.K. (1997). From vigilance to violence: Mate retention tactics in married couples. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 72, 346-361], research has not addressed cost-inflicting mate retention behaviors specifically. The current research examines the relationship between men’s and women’s mate values and men’s use of partner-directed insults—a specific type of cost-inflicting mate retention behavior. One hundred fifty-eight women provided information about their own mate value, their partner’s mate value, and their partner’s verbal insults. The results indicate that although men’s and women’s mate values independently predict men’s partner-directed insults, men’s mate value is a better predictor than is women’s mate value. Women who report that their partners have lower mate value also report that their partners insult them more frequently than women who report that their partners have higher mate value.

    “It’s not all about her: Men’s mate value and mate retention”
    Personality and Individual Differences, Volume 47, Issue 3, August 2009, Pages 214-218
    Emily J. Miner, Valerie G. Starratt, Todd K. Shackelford

    Abstract

    Men may have evolved psychological mechanisms that motivate mate retention behaviors to prevent their partners from being sexually unfaithful or defecting from the relationship because these events are likely to have inflicted reproductive costs on males over human evolutionary history. In the current research, 235 women provided information about their own and their long-term partners’ mate value relative to alternatives, as well as information about their partners’ mate retention behaviors. Men’s mate value is a better predictor of men’s mate retention behaviors than is women’s mate value. Specifically, men of higher mate value perform more benefit-provisioning and fewer cost-inflicting mate retention behaviors than men of lower mate value. The discussion notes limitations and highlights directions for future research.

    “Why do men insult their intimate partners?”
    Personality and Individual Differences, Volume 43, Issue 2, July 2007, Pages 231-241
    William F. McKibbin, Aaron T. Goetz, Todd K. Shackelford, Lucas D. Schipper, Valerie G. Starratt, Steve Stewart-Williams

    Abstract

    Men sometimes insult their intimate partners and these insults predict intimate partner violence. No research has investigated the function of men’s partner-directed insults. We hypothesize that men’s partner-directed insults are designed to retain their long-term mate and, therefore, that men’s use of partner-directed insults will covary with other mate retention behaviors. Using the mate retention inventory and the partner-directed insults scale, we conducted two studies to test this hypothesis. Study 1 included 245 men who reported their mate retention behaviors and partner-directed insults. Correlations and multiple regression analyses documented the predicted relationships between men’s partner-directed insults and mate retention behaviors. Study 2 included 372 women who reported their partner’s mate retention behaviors and insults that their partner-directed at them. The results replicated the results of Study 1. Discussion highlights future directions for investigating the relationships between men’s partner-directed insults and mate retention behaviors.

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  172. “from my understanding, evo bio doesn’t account much for the fact that many *modern-day* women seem to prefer cads. evolution perhaps hasn’t had time to deal with this development, so the orgasm could have *evolved* to select positively for dads, but it might not be as relevant today because of societal developments (nanny state that allows for women to raise children alone).”

    @Chuck —

    It’s more that the natural constraints on female mating selection have been removed by abortion legalization and widespread, cheap and effective contraception. So what we see now is not “natural” female sexuality, but female sexuality that is “liberated” from the natural consequences of that.

    It just goes back to the Michigan study. Women prefer cads for short term sex and dads for longer term relationships.

    Female orgasm appears to be a minor issue. There was a book written by a feminist a few years ago that concluded that all the theories about female orgasm are flawed and that female orgasms are like male nipples — something that is there with no evolutionary purpose — a relic that remains in the female but has no real reproductive use. Certainly the species reproduced just fine for the millions of years we existed before we started emphasizing female orgasms in sexuality about 40 years ago.

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  173. “Meanwhile, the gals on the extreme left end of the curve get dildos and cats.”

    @Obsidian —

    Well, but isn’t it the case that the people on the extreme left don’t really matter much, on a societal level. I mean, do we really *want* these people reproducing? Probably not.

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  174. Nova,
    Very good points, and I too have read Chuck’s blog in this regard; as for myself, I don’t know where the female orgasm came from, all I know is I like giving Women as many of em as I can, lol.

    Good thoughts, you always write some thoughtful stuff, and I read your blog quite often.

    O

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  175. “that’s not a point, take a second look at those pics:

    http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=54191

    Medvedev is drunk as a a skunk”

    Maybe but what I see are three alphas. Sarko remarried to a still beautiful former supermodel and singer who is constantly compared to Jackie O. Berlusconi in his 70s banging women in their late teens and 20s. Medvedev is accepted by them as an alpha. Very simple.

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  176. Dave from Hawaii said:

    “An LTR doesn’t need maintenance.

    If it “needs” maintenance, you are not with the right person.

    If it “needs” maintenance, you don’t respect him and/or he is no longer attracted to you…or at least, he no longer considers your attraction to be of a sufficient level to consider it worth it to put up with all of your negative attributes and character traits.”

    Exactly.

    You should want to spend time with that person; doing things for that person should be the norm. If you don’t want to do things for that person, or if you don’t want to spend time with them, or find certain things a chore, then you really need to reevaluate the relationship.

    @Arpagus (regarding negging):

    Wow, it looks like science proves some of the things I’ve said. As I’ve mentioned before, negging (not playful teasing, even though maybe those things are considered to be the same thing) can only draw attention to that person’s particular flaws. You neg me about my body? Well then, guess I have to point out your protruding gut. etc.

    I always thought it was a way of pointing out her flaws to distract you from your own, but maybe I was just on the receiving end of some really bad negs.

    Teasing is entirely different, and when done playfully, can be lots of fun.

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  177. on July 9, 2009 at 6:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dave what is maintenance though?

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  178. the hardest I’ve ever come was when I had a threesome with my (hot, half-Latina) girlfriend and a guy from my school’s lacrosse team I got off watching him fuck her, he is very fit, and I even sucked him off at her command! It was an amazing experience for all of us and I suggest all men try something like this.

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  179. on July 9, 2009 at 6:50 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Dave from next to midway island

    An LTR doesn’t need maintenance.

    If it “needs” maintenance, you are not with the right person.

    There’s a right way and a wrong way to interpret this statement, Dave. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people, men and women alike, will interpret it incorrectly.

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  180. Actually, this cements my rightness and Roissy’s wrongness. High social anxiety women are lower quality, because they don’t think for themselves. And they’re the ones who respond to negs.

    Women with low social anxiety don’t respond to negs, and they’re higher quality.

    By his own definition,. the neg methods select women with high social anxiety and gets you rejected by quality (low social anxiety women).

    So no wonder guys who use negs have a problem with women. They’re choosing a method that attracts the lamest ones. Of course, that’s a solid match.

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  181. on July 9, 2009 at 6:54 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    the hardest I’ve ever come was when I had a threesome with my (hot, half-Latina) girlfriend and a guy from my school’s lacrosse team I got off watching him fuck her, he is very fit, and I even sucked him off at her command! It was an amazing experience for all of us and I suggest all men try something like this.

    This is probably spam, but there really is a whole “cuckold community” of like-minded people out there.

    Any man with balls, not surprisingly, will have no part of this.

    Selenium: on the 1% chance that this is real, DO be aware that you will be subjected to the same subjugation in every other area of your life – financial, social, everything, not just the bedroom – should you choose to have a serious relationship that’s like this.
    Unlike men, women have no concept of “dominance that stays in the bedroom”. It’s all or nothing.

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  182. Rossy tells us that mostly the sex is hotter the hotter looking the girl, the closer she is to a 10, because we men will be that much more inspired to perform at our most ardent peak, the hotter she is, and the hotness of the sex is mostly up to the man. Roissy does accept as a codicil, that women vary in their sex hunger for a man of the same or maximum hottness to them, but says that that varies pretty evenly across the upper half or more of women. (Also only tangentially related, he reminds us that in his view and experience 5-7s tend to be the sluttiest.)

    Obsidian insists that there are big differences in how sexually eager, skilled, and wanting it women are, and in how much effort they put in, and that for him that makes a huge difference, beyond that of pure looks, after a certain looks point is reached. (Well this last about needing a certain threshold in looks he may have not said here but he has before.) He also has said further down the thread that there’s a big tendency for the hottest lookers and esp. the thin ones to be more dead in bed, probably because they don’t feel they need to put the effort in to attract and keep hot guys.

    Roissy’s retort to that last is that the less effort by hot girls factor only applies when they’re fucking down the alpha scale for them, lower than the best they can get, not when they’re going lateral or up. I.e. 9s fuck male 9s with just as much vigor as 7’s fuck male 7s, but a 9 may not fuck a male 7 as well as that female 7 will. It’s all relative, says Roissy.

    I and a number of other have agreed with O that female sexual hunger and inhibition, and I’ve added receptivity to D/s, is a big part of how hot women are in bed and on the way to it, and can be more important than looks once a point is reached. I tend to agree with Roissy that how sex hungry and uninhibited and power exchange playing a girl is varies evenly across the hotness scale with plenty of 9’s and 10s being sex tigers, with guys that inspire them sexually.

    Partly this is because I think the idea that super hotties don’t have to try as hard is misplaced. No they don’t, but they often want to. If they’ve got the hunger and have had the good stuff. It’s not a chore it’s a passion; it’s a craving; it’s a drug.

    The one area in which this isn’t always true, it often is but it isn’t always, is cocksucking. There for many women it is a matter of trying to please their man rather than directly getting off on it, although many do get off on the power of pleasing and controlling him so much through that pleasure in those moments. Nonetheless in cocksucking O I think has a point.

    There there does tend to be some degree of inverse realationship between pure looks female hotness on the 10 scale and cocksucking effort and hence in short order usually, ability. A sold alpha male 9 is never going to be as hot and absolutely essential to do everything possible to please to a female 9 as to a female 7 or 6. Nonetheless, the female 9 might often be the better cocksucker. It just doesn’t tend to work that way.

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  183. on July 9, 2009 at 6:56 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Keith

    Actually, this cements my rightness and Roissy’s wrongness. High social anxiety women are lower quality, because they don’t think for themselves. And they’re the ones who respond to negs.

    Keith, you’re arguing from a definition of “quality” that is completely different from Roissy’s, and you know it.

    In case you’re really that dense, Roissy is talking about physical attractiveness and you aren’t.

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  184. on July 9, 2009 at 6:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Keith it said the woman of high quality the negs didn’t make a difference. So apparently negs can still attract them all he he he

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  185. selenium

    the hardest I’ve ever come was when I had a threesome with my (hot, half-Latina) girlfriend and a guy from my school’s lacrosse team I got off watching him fuck her, he is very fit, and I even sucked him off at her command

    This is the second-best advertisement for Duke I’ve ever seen.

    I didn’t know Crystal Mangum is a dyke – or that she knew wtf “selenium” is

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/10/24/duke_lacrosse_accuser_pens_memoir/

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  186. Roissy and all,

    I am a beta and I have a question!

    I am almost twenty and I’ll much probably reach 20 and still be a virgin. Yeah, it’s painfull. But there are a lot of people like me. In fact, if it was not for my shyness I could easily pass as a non-virgin due to my openess and easiness in talking about sex while not revelling I am a virgin. Most of the virgins who are my age can’t talk about sex and I’ve noticed girls filters who is hyper-beta this way.

    However, my desintegrated group of friends knows I’m a virgin and so do many people who should not know such thing.

    I’ve come to the conclusion – also trough this blog – that the best way to get over it is sarging and trying not to remember I have failed so monumentally in this particular area. At least, as much as it is humanely possible.

    The thing is, a particular girl (a 6) in my group of friends has started to make annoying questions like:

    I say: Well, I don’t like women too hairy down there but if she’s shaved, you already know that half the town has been there. And then, when her hair grows, it risks hurting the neck of my dick.

    Then she starts hysterically asking how do I know such thing. And why I am still a virgin and stuff.

    How can I shut her the fuck up? I mean, if she says this in front of other girls, its one more target I’ll never fuck, right? What can I do?? HELP!

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  187. Keith
    “Low Social Anxiety” is just code for ” I have nothing left to lose”. If that is quality for you, go for it. You are likely to find a lot of it, everywhere you look.

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  188. on July 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ doug1

    I and a number of other have agreed with O that female sexual hunger and inhibition, and I’ve added receptivity to D/s, is a big part of how hot women are in bed and on the way to it, and can be more important than looks once a point is reached.

    Yeah.

    Doug, note that this also clears the way for an important exception to your “true alphas could never ever ever be monogamous” rule.

    If you have a true alpha whose sexual tastes are sufficiently specific, demanding, and rather extreme, and he finds a woman who is his absolutely perfect match in terms of these deep, dark, almost fantastic (in the literal sense of “fantastic”) desires, then the formerly remote concept of monogamy can actually become feasible.
    Especially if she is hot enough, is compatible enough with him, values commitment (of all kinds) that highly, and is a woman of sufficient character and quality to merit that sort of sacrifice on his end.

    Given a choice between (a) commitment with a 9 of my dreams who is the living breathing manifestation of all my dark sexual fantasies and (b) an endless parade of normal sex with 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s, I’d take (a).
    As anyone with game (or even knowledge of game) knows, however, it still helps that girl (a) is fully aware that (b) is an option if she lets herself go or stops nurturing the relationship, sexually or otherwise.

    This also doesn’t work unless said alpha has had enough sex with enough different hot women that conquest loses its edge. It happens.

    I tend to agree with Roissy that how sex hungry and uninhibited and power exchange playing a girl is varies evenly across the hotness scale with plenty of 9’s and 10s being sex tigers, with guys that inspire them sexually.

    Partly this is because I think the idea that super hotties don’t have to try as hard is misplaced. No they don’t, but they often want to. If they’ve got the hunger and have had the good stuff. It’s not a chore it’s a passion; it’s a craving; it’s a drug.

    Yes.

    If as a man you find that hotter women are worse in bed, that means YOU suck at sex. Sorry, but it is what it is.

    There there does tend to be some degree of inverse realationship between pure looks female hotness on the 10 scale and cocksucking effort and hence in short order usually, ability. A sold alpha male 9 is never going to be as hot and absolutely essential to do everything possible to please to a female 9 as to a female 7 or 6. Nonetheless, the female 9 might often be the better cocksucker. It just doesn’t tend to work that way.

    Deepthroat doesn’t require a lot of skills on her part,** so it evens the playing field. Win win. ::broad evil grin::

    **A decently low level of skill is actually a good thing here, since gagging is hotter than no gagging. But I digress.

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  189. on July 9, 2009 at 7:14 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I see your point Epo. IMO, you maintain yourself and you won’t have to “work” or maintain your relationship.

    This doesn’t mean your LTR is going to be “…and they lived happily ever after.”

    It means that fights, arguments and disagreements are going to happen, but they are not going to consume or define your relationship.

    They are not even going to threaten it….in fact, a healthy argument will actually fire up your attraction for each other. (This is where fabulous “makeup sex” comes from).

    Now what do I mean by a “healthy” argument?

    For men, that means, whether you are in the right, or in the wrong…whether you “win” the argument, or you “lose” what really matters is that you don’t be pathetic and supplicating to try and make up for your own wrongdoing. If you know you did wrong, apologize, sincerely.

    Just do it from a frame where you are not “begging mommy” for forgiveness.

    Take the frame of a father breaking dissappointing news to his daughter…as in “I’m sorry you won’t be able to go out this weekend to that dance you’ve been looking forward to.”

    Now if you know damn well that you are right and she is wrong, you damn well better call her on it, and demand an apology. When she does, than YOU end it right than and there. Tell her you accept the apology and that you are now going to go and cool down by doing something, and leave to go do it. Me, I go work on my punching bag for a bit or lift weights. Once you’ve done something like that, you act as if nothing has happened when you next speak with her.

    She may be mad at you..but she will still respect you as a man. She will be mad at you…but she will still be attracted to you…which is what leads to that fabulous makeup sex.

    This is what I mean by maintaining YOURSELF, not “THE RELATIONSHIP.”

    In other words, no matter what is going on in your life and your relationship with her, avoid being BETA. Fulfill your biological role of being the dominant male leader of the relationship, and a normal, non-feminazi woman without control issues will respond in her proper feminine role.

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  190. @Keith
    Negs attract or at the very least get a rise out of all levels of women.

    Matter of fact, negs may work the best on the most “high quality” women because it calls into doubt their ingrained sense of perfection.

    If you only retain one thing about the character of women – this is it. They all respond to some level of criticism, and they all want to feel like they have to please the man they’re with. It’s exciting, no matter how attractive she is.

    She wants to feel like she’s aspired to and won something in your heart and your attention. A tiny and well-placed neg here or there satisfies this need, across the board.

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  191. Firepower–
    I’m a guy, not Crystal Mangum, and I strongly recommend you try something like this if you haven’t it’s no use fighting the alpha males, we must OFFER them our women, trust me I came harder than ever when this muscular stud was fucking my gf, we sucked him off together too.

    He’s fucked her a number of times since, I fantasize about them together I’m usually not there, although we did have another 3some and I licked his cum off her breasts, again I came super-hard.

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  192. on July 9, 2009 at 7:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    Virgin this girl more than likely wants to have sex with you and it was pissing her off that she thought you might of already had it she wants the virgin you.

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  193. on July 9, 2009 at 7:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    Basically you were negging her lol

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  194. on July 9, 2009 at 7:25 pm Dave from Hawaii

    A gay cuckold advocating his defective sexual perversion as a the ultimate sexual experience is rather disgusting.

    You’re on the wrong forum, fag.

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  195. Doug,
    Well, looks like we’ve found some middle ground here, lol! I say that cocksucking is a “must have” for any Woman I’m getting with; poor or no performance in this area is a dealbreaker, I don’t care how good the poon is otherwise.

    And again, I maintain what I’ve previously said-the hotter the chick, the less likely she is to fuck like she’s Vanessa Del Rio reincarnated, all things being equal. Simply put, that don’t have to develop their conjugal skills, because guys are constantly trying to hit it anyway. And that obviously works for a lot of guys, and I can’t knock em for that. I’m just saying that for me, it aint gonna get it.

    For all ladies reading along: learn how to orally worship the cock. Doing so will win you many male friends for life.

    O

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  196. on July 9, 2009 at 7:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””**A decently low level of skill is actually a good thing here, since gagging is hotter than no gagging. But I digress.”””””””””””’

    Gagging is hot. lool

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  197. Epoxytocin No. 87–

    Well, you’ve taken my already firm belief that you are engaged to one hella hot and smart and all around attractive girl, and raised it several notches. That’s not easy to do. Saying things such as you did in your immediately prior comment would be the only way to do it in fact. Oh yeah.

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  198. on July 9, 2009 at 7:33 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Obsidian

    And again, I maintain what I’ve previously said-the hotter the chick, the less likely she is to fuck like she’s Vanessa Del Rio reincarnated, all things being equal.

    Although I really HATE having to bring up race in a conversation WITH Obsidian, I’ve gotta say that race may be a factor here.
    Specifically:
    With white girls, this generalization (hotter = worse in bed) is just not true. Not at all. No way.
    In my experience with black girls, though, the more model-type ones are MUCH more likely to be the type that assigns existential significance to every single little sexual act. (O, you must know what I’m talking about, back me up here) That type of woman – who, I’m convinced, simply does not exist among white women – is not going to be so good in bed.

    O, Doug, Roissy, what do you guys say

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  199. on July 9, 2009 at 7:39 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    engaged to one hella hot and smart and all around attractive girl

    Yes. Keep using “hella”.
    We shall break LILGRL of her conviction that it is not a word.

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  200. @ Epoxytocin No. 87

    Note how you put that in quotes.

    Because it’s not a word.

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  201. For all the talk of oral skills, I do hope that there can be some consideration of how this act feels for a woman.

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  202. Totally not the point, but this thread has a soothing kernal of feel-good-element for everyone. Awesome.

    Me, I’m not a prude who only puts out in relationship but a girl at the end of the bell curve who doesn’t often find enough equivalent males. Awesome! And any of sexytime shortcomings are probably from settling with a lower grade! But hey my friend sally can have awesome o’s regularly bc so many men are a step-up for her. Everyone wins!

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  203. on July 9, 2009 at 7:45 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD – Wow, it looks like science proves some of the things I’ve said.

    Well, of course isn’t that the point of science – proving to a 17 year old girl that SHE was right all along?

    You neg me about my body? Well then, guess I have to point out your protruding gut. etc.

    Your boyfriend already has a protruding gut? You can do better than him. All it takes is better fashion sense and maybe don’t talk so much.

    Teasing is entirely different, and when done playfully, can be lots of fun.

    Teasing or negging what’s the difference if it’s the truth.

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  204. on July 9, 2009 at 7:45 pm Dave from Hawaii

    For all the talk of oral skills, I do hope that there can be some consideration of how this act feels for a woman.

    If the woman truly lusts the man she is performing it on, it will feel great to her.

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  205. Attractive Males Release Fewer Sperm

    Attractive males release fewer sperm per mating to maximise their chances of producing offspring across a range of females, according to a new paper on the evolution of ejaculation strategies. The findings by researchers at UCL (University College London) and the University of Oxford suggest that, paradoxically, matings with attractive males may be less fertile than those with unattractive ones.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090709095425.htm

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  206. Obsidian: “But for me-and I speak for myself alone-merely looking good aint gonna get it”

    Female skill in the sack is completely underrated. I’ve met a number of douches who asserted more or less what Roissy was saying: that all the girl had to do is show up and be hot. They were all lousy at sex.

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  207. on July 9, 2009 at 7:56 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Female skill in the sack is completely underrated.

    You guys are talking about “skill in the sack” as if it were height, or % of type II muscle fibers, or some other etched-in-stone quantity. For fuck’s sake.

    Men: It’s not that hard to teach a girl how to fuck well. Really, it’s not.**

    Women: It’s not that hard to learn to fuck well. Really, it’s not.

    That is all.

    **Unless she’s one of the 0.02% of the female population that walks, talks, and moves like epileptics with Tourette’s.
    And even those have their merits behind closed doors.

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  208. The next step will be to arrange a threesome with her and the athlete guy and she will get him to fuck me!

    I’m not a pervert or gay, but every guy will come the hardest if he lets himself get fucked by a hot, muscular, dominant guy, it’s not gay, I;m sure you’ll come harder than ever, even harder than if went with a superhot 10 girl.

    In nature the alpha dog mounts the betas and it’s the same with baboons!

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  209. @willardlibby:
    “Your boyfriend already has a protruding gut? You can do better than him. All it takes is better fashion sense and maybe don’t talk so much.”
    I’m talking about someone else who I couldn’t stand; haven’t spoken to him in months.

    My boyfriend has a 6-pack.

    “Teasing or negging what’s the difference if it’s the truth.”

    Teasing is better and more playful.

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  210. on July 9, 2009 at 8:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Sounds like epoxy and lilgirl have both thought about what they want out of the relationship and what they need out of life. Sounds like it will work out. Cool thoughts in action.

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  211. on July 9, 2009 at 8:20 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD Every night my boyfriend drinks a 6-pack.

    That’s how he got the gut.

    “Teasing or negging what’s the difference if it’s the truth.”

    Teasing is better and more playful.

    But which is more effective at keeping a woman in her place in a relationship?

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  212. on July 9, 2009 at 8:20 pm Virginia Gentleman

    selenium:

    In response to your remarks, particularly the offering of a woman at my side to some hypothetical alpha and the other deviant practices you encourage, I’ll echo the words of the late Laura Roslin:

    “No. Not now. Not ever.”

    Any woman who seriously suggests my participation in such an endeavor will be refused and cast off.

    You fail.

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  213. @WillardLibby:

    “That’s how he got the gut.”

    You’re just jealous because you’re old and fat.

    “But which is more effective at keeping a woman in her place in a relationship?”

    A whip?

    JKJKJKJK

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  214. @ selenium:

    i’m all for your little hobby. whatever gets you off. as a matter of fact, you can bring your girl around any time.

    i got to warn you though, if you try to touch my dick i’ll punch you in the throat.

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  215. on July 9, 2009 at 8:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think selenium just got confused when he heard people on here talking about threesomes. When I talk about it just to clarify. I am talking 2 straight woman and me. Ie both woman there to please me not each other.

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  216. “However, my desintegrated group of friends knows I’m a virgin and so do many people who should not know such thing.”

    Let this be a valuable lesson. There are very few people who should know anything unflattering about you. Most people will sell you out at a moment’s notice merely to ingratiate themselves and get some status.

    “In fact, if it was not for my shyness I could easily pass as a non-virgin due to my openess and easiness in talking about sex while not revelling I am a virgin.”

    The next part indicates you’re trying too hard at this, and therefore revealing your virginity.

    “Well, I don’t like women too hairy down there but if she’s shaved, you already know that half the town has been there. And then, when her hair grows, it risks hurting the neck of my dick.”

    Dude. Seriously? That’s overcompensating.

    “I’ve come to the conclusion – also trough this blog – that the best way to get over it is sarging and trying not to remember I have failed so monumentally in this particular area. At least, as much as it is humanely possible.”

    I assume you’re on a college campus. Go with day game. You have ample opportunities to talk to girls without needing friends around you.

    And get over thinking about “failure.” Relax. You’re not a virgin trying to get some girl to take away some awful curse. You’re yet another 20-year old guy trying to get laid. And if you approach women, you’ve got a leg up. And if you really want more legs up, go find a campus with a very favorable gender ratio.

    “Then she starts hysterically asking how do I know such thing. And why I am still a virgin and stuff.”

    Reply: “Because I keep turning you down.”

    If that doesn’t stop her for good, you’ll just need to cut her out of your life. She’s one of those people who throws her friends under the bus to be “cool.” You don’t need that.

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  217. on July 9, 2009 at 8:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    Wait a second did keith just tell virgin to do a neg. The world as we know has now ended prepare for the apocalypse opener that is.

    Try the apocalypse on your friend virgin.

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  218. @Keith:

    “If that doesn’t stop her for good, you’ll just need to cut her out of your life. She’s one of those people who throws her friends under the bus to be “cool.” You don’t need that.”
    These words are golden and can be applied to everyone.

    Also, she might probably try to compensate for her less than stellar behavior by doing nice things for you or helping you with notes or studying, but honestly, at the end of the day, she’s still a parasite and a negative influence in your life. She probably also has crap self-esteem.

    Don’t hang out with those kinds of people because if you’re associated with a social pariah, you may find it even harder to make new friends and people who don’t know you may have negative preconceptions about by association.

    @Gunslingergregi:

    “Wait a second did keith just tell virgin to do a neg. The world as we know has now ended prepare for the apocalypse opener that is. ”

    Keith has man skills.

    @Virgin:

    There is nothing wrong with being a virgin. I mean, maybe it’s worse for guys, but it’s not like you have the plague. EVERYONE starts out as a virgin.

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  219. “Try the apocalypse on your friend virgin.”

    But only if she’s alone.

    Women are far more capable of perversity than Roissy gives them credit for. A lot of their “hypergamy” isn’t genetically or evo-bio based at all; it’s rooted in social pressure.

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  220. Actually, I was waiting for *somebody* to mention the obvious: HBD, read, RACIAL differences here. Its inevitable, right?

    So, my Man E’s on point, there are indeed some racial differences at play here. I’ve also found that the hot chick=dead fuck thing seems to modulate a bit depending on the race of the chick involved, in my observation. A really stuck on themself, because their market value’s been artificially pumped too high and hasn’t been appropriately put in her place by a staccato stream of negs as if coming from the barrel of an MPK assault weapon, thinks she’s God’s Gift by merely being in one’s presence.

    But not me. When I encounter such a Sista, my dick gets soft if she can’t or won’t worship the cock properly, and I lose interest, and the night is over, and she’s gotta go. In that case I’m with Dave Alex, its better to jackoff than be w/some chick who, because she got lucky in the genetic lottery I’m supposed to make do w/her dead fuck ass?

    To quote Clay Davis: Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

    And I suspect because Black folk on average tend to have more sex than do Whites and Asians (Hispanics rival us in this regard), there are quite a few Brothas like me running around. Simply put, I am not impressed in the least by a Dime by looks alone. I need to assess her Fuckstress Skills:

    1. First we begin w/her cocksucking skills-is there lots of slavia, slurping and sucking sounds along w/humming, making eye contact, loving you to pop your shot all over her face and savors every drop of your seed?

    2. How does she ride? Me, I prefer her to squat while on top because I want to see how coordinate she is, while also working her cunt muscles-this is where the utmost importance of Kegels comes in, ladies. When she comes up on the cock you the guy should be able to feel her pussy gripping your head so as to prevent it from popping out, etc. Also, a good way to see if she can really ride is to put some nice music w/a good beat on-does she ride to the beat, or not? NOTE-this may be a bit of a challenge for White gals for the obvious reasons.

    3. How flexible is she? Can she do splits? Bring her ankles to her ears? You get the idea. A stiff Woman is a shonuff bad sign that she most likely a Dead Fuck, and you should run immediately away from her as fast as you can.

    4. Does she communicate at all while fucking you? A Woman not in touch with her Ho Side is a Dead Fuck. Period.

    There’s more but you get the idea. For the ladies reading along: do lots of Kegels. Get some high quality Ben Wa balls and learn how to move them around inside you-side to side, front to back, and up and down. Spend a day w/them inside, the goal is to not let em fall out. Pussy fitness is very, very important, and you’ll notice your orgasms will be noticeably stronger, too.

    We now live in a high skills, information age, people. Chicks merely looking hot ain’t enough, especially as more and more guys get their mojo back and learn, apply, and gain from Game. Being a well-versed Fuckstress is a highly valued skill among Men.

    Learn it.

    The Obsidian

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  221. on July 9, 2009 at 9:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’lol Mandy
    @Gunslingergregi:

    “Wait a second did keith just tell virgin to do a neg. The world as we know has now ended prepare for the apocalypse opener that is. ”

    Keith has man skills.”””””””””””””’

    The thing is the other day he was talking about the neg doesn’t work and how the neg was stupid. Now he tells virgin to do a neg.

    Apparently why they work so well woman can’t remember anything negative until the end of a relationship he he he

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  222. kn:

    “Chuck – your “generally” qualifier as to people hookin up with those of similar looks blows your argument. A 10 has the most options. He or she may well nt deign to exercise them as often as they could.”

    a 10 *does not* have the most options if we look at from the point of view of the woman. most 8 males and below are not on a 10’s radar therefore they aren’t options.

    i eat meat, but S P A M is not a dinner option for me – ever.

    that’s why it’s important to look at who does the choosing. for dimes, the women have the power, for 1s, it’s the men with the control.

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  223. “Women scoring low in self-esteem, relative to their high self-esteem counterparts, tended to have a greater number of sex partners since puberty, a greater number of sex partners over the past year, a greater number of one-night stands, a preference for short-term sexual relationships, and scores on the SOI indicating the pursual of a short-term mating strategy.”

    “High mate-value men, relative to their lower-mate-value counterparts, tended to have sexual intercourse at an earlier age, a greater number of sex partners during the past year, a greater number of sexual invitations during the past three years, sexual intercourse a greater number of times….suggesting they were pursuing a short-term mating strategy.”

    Evolutionary Psychology, Buss 2007 (pp. 194-195)

    Roissy, you’ve been around the conservative blogosphere. No doubt you have heard some of the racialists espousing a theory of “ethnic genetic interests”, by a Frank Salter. It fails because race isn’t a salient variable in the psyche, because since the genesis of humanity the average person usually never traveled more than 40km from his home, having no psychological need to ever discriminate between members of one race or the other.

    However, SEX would be a very salient variable. Ergo, constructs like sexism should more encoded psychologically in the mind, since men and women, before they predicate to form a pair-bond, DO have separate genetic interests. It is in the male interest to pursue reproductive success above a certain level of resource provisioning; it would be more in the female interest to have the male devote as much resources as possible for the upbringing of her progeny. This is codified in the social aphorism “Cads vs. Dads”, with men and women acknowledged to be standing on opposite sides. For more, see this Tooby and Cosmides paper here: http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/research/cep/papers/eraserace.pdf

    “[S]election would plausibly have favored neurocomputational machinery that automatically encodes an individual’s sex and age…our ancestors would have inhabited a social world in which registering the sex and life- history stage of an individual would have enabled a large variety of useful probabilistic inferences about that individual…”

    Results of their experiment?

    “The hypothesis that sex is a true primary categorical dimension — encoded in an automatic and (relatively) mandatory fashion — is supported by these results: the effect sizes for sex are very large [larger than coalitional!], and they stay large even when coalitional cues are amplified.”

    Do you realize what this study implies? It means that sexual “partisanship”, codified into some average measure over an infinitude of topics, should be larger than “political partisanship”, even with the United States as politically stratified as it is today! Stronger than the fractiousness of the 2000 election even….

    Obviously, the above data suggests multiple mating strategies for men wishing to improve their lot in the mating market. “Game” works by lowering women’s self-perceived mate value, OR by increasing the man’s perceived mate-value, usually by the proxy of reasoned and discerning judgment of other women, who if attracted to said male, would indicate he has ample resources to invest in the pair-bond.

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  224. For example, if you really think about it, this theory of differing and sexually-mediated “interests” of men and women begins to form the seed of explaining why, for example, women tend to be more liberal than men. The increased support for illegal immigration amongst their “kind” may have more “nefarious” implications than you might think.

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  225. Another post that serves to back up the philosophy of my Church. Thanks Roissy!

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  226. on July 9, 2009 at 9:57 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD

    @WillardLibby: “But which is more effective at keeping a woman in her place in a relationship?”

    A whip?

    I prefer to use a riding crop on an unruly female.

    JKJKJKJK

    No you weren’t.

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  227. A decently low level of skill is actually a good thing here, since gagging is hotter than no gagging. But I digress.

    Gagging is basically a turn off for me since it sorta distracts from the image of a hypersexualized woman who worships cock.

    I am almost twenty and I’ll much probably reach 20 and still be a virgin.

    I lost my virginity on my twentieth birthday! 🙂

    porn featuring fake titted, acrylic nailed, tatted, orange-tanned, lantern-jawed, tranny-looking guidettes cuckolding their boyfriends while they watch forlornly from a chair in the corner — tarp.

    I actually hate reading cuckold erotica since it’s mostly generally poorly written and seems to cater to Obsidian-esque views of black men with magical sexual powers. I may be a subhuman male, but the whole cuckold erotica stuff is just too degrading, and even I have to maintain my respect. As for the girls, they’re far more sexual looking than “bridge girl”* or the other girls like her that male friends seem to fawn over, and I find sexual looking girls to be much more attractive than say, the smarty faux-intellectual hipsters…

    *Mmm, Savannah Stern and Mariah Milano. OTOH, I’ve been mesmerized by Kagney Lynn Carter and Ava Rose recently…

    i suggest re-tooling your original scale so that it’s more DA friendly

    If ebony porn and MILF porn feature women that meet my tastes, then they get upgraded above normal porn. I hate amateur porn with a passion since they women look awful.

    And I just go on an plastic covers from the dry cleaner, and I clean up with an old t-shirt. That stuff along with the creams and lotions get locked up when the kids sleep over. So far, they’ve been there long enough that non-date has become sexually attractive again…

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  228. I believe Havel spoke of this in “Power of the Powerless”. “Living in Truth” he called it.

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  229. on July 10, 2009 at 12:21 am Tupac Chopra

    Rome82:

    I forgot about Wynand. Absolutely the alpha. Can Roark really be described as beta, though? Lesser alpha?

    Rand intended Roark to be alpha, but that works only within her head-in-the-clouds philosophy.

    Wynand was the scrappy, street-smart dude who rose to prominence through his dominance and held the masses in thrall by means of his iron fist. Result: tons of money, yachts, art collections, vacation time with models, etc.

    Roark was the Dudley-Do-Right who thought being an idealistic nerd was the path to success. He probably made comments about waiting for “quality women”.

    You know, kind of like the difference between me and Keith.

    Mandy:

    Keith has man skills.

    Yeah, I heard he’s good with his sphincter.

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  230. He probably made comments about waiting for “quality women”.

    I’d like for you to expand on this Tupac. What’s wrong waiting for “quality women”?

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  231. Obsidian — Never seen the Wire. So I don’t comment on it. It sounds like Homicide Life on the Street, except probably not as good. The book itself was excellent, and the first few years astonishing — Clark Johnson (who was in the 1980’s Canadian series “Night Heat”), Jon Polito, Daniel Baldwin, Andre Braugher, and of course the immortal Yaphet Kotto were all brilliant. “Crime makes you stupid.”

    But I just refuse to pay extra for stuff I have no interest in: Sopranos, the Wire, Weeds, and other stuff. I’m basic cable with the Sports package.
    ————–
    In the pic with Obama and Sarkozy, Sarkozy is clearly laughing his ass off at Obama checking out the jailbait (she’s 16). Ace of Spades has a hilarious video montage and a photo montage of Obama and Worf. Truly hilarious.

    Selenium — the experience of non-GAY men, which is about 98% or so of us, suggests that most men would KILL rather than share their girl/woman with another guy. That’s basically the story of Western Civilization, starting with the Iliad, and the Odyssey. Being gay, you don’t get this.

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  232. Begging hijacking indulgence, could I get a man’s opinion here? The ladyfriends and I are in agreement, but we’re also … not men.

    Girl, G, and Boy, B, arrange to meet to attend an event. B has awesome tickets for free, and said event is G’s favorite. G has not been for some time, due to life reasons. B and G are casual friends, but they are nice/courtesy generally to each other.

    B & G are meeting outside event, btw 12 and 12:15. B is coming from other party.

    G texts to say she is at event at 12, but text is slightly unclear as to whether means has arrived or is leaving to take train.
    B texts to say he’ll be there at 12:30. B has tickets. G sits to wait, outside event.

    At 1, G throws hissy fit (internally) and texts is leaving, pissed. Event is half over, but half not. Technically can be joined half way through.

    G texts B, B texts he’s arriving, she’s left. He claims interpreted her texts as her being late/arriving at 12:30ish, and claims he was there at 12:55. Girl is still pissed, but says pretty conciliatory things. Thinks B was rude in being so late, initially at planning to show at 12:30 but especially at not arriving until 1 (event started at 11:55). B thinks that girl was running late, he was having fun at pre-party, and was sort of only 15 minutes late.

    Text communications prior to 1 o’clock are slightly unclear, but B is taking some liberties in interpreting G’s arrival time as also running late.

    G’s should:
    1. send email nice explaining/justifying her side, but acknowledging it was bad communication, and some childish overreacting on her part in leaving.
    2. do nothing
    3. — something else ?
    groveling is not an option. We agree being 45 minutes late from original time of meeting when you’re ticket holder is unacceptable.

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  233. on July 10, 2009 at 12:36 am Tupac Chopra

    I’d like for you to expand on this Tupac. What’s wrong waiting for “quality women”?

    If “quality woman” means “attractive woman who acts like a man” you might as well go chasing waterfalls.

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  234. Whiskey, I just vindicated your worldview. I expected a little more excitement out of you.

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  235. on July 10, 2009 at 12:37 am Tupac Chopra

    Mandy:

    There are over 40 sphincters in the human body, so I don’t know what this is supposed to refer to.

    Esophageal or anal, it makes no difference. Dude’s a fag.

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  236. on July 10, 2009 at 12:40 am Tupac Chopra

    As for The Fountainhead-
    I’m still reading it, so I’ll keep updating as I go along, but I find Roark fascinating. The fact that he can throw away everything he has for that one goal, for that one idea, and his genius talent…damn.

    Paging Comment_Whatever…

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  237. on July 10, 2009 at 12:42 am Tupac Chopra

    Whiskey:

    Selenium — the experience of non-GAY men, which is about 98% or so of us, suggests that most men would KILL rather than share their girl/woman with another guy.

    Not necessarily. I’m close with a couple of Super Alpha’s and they both get off and sharing their bitches with their lesser alpha friends (me, for instance).

    It demonstrates to the woman just how powerless she is conquering his alphatude.

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  238. on July 10, 2009 at 12:50 am GNPs are for Apes

    So as per the table, Roissy has fucked at least one 3 and one 4, but has never fucked a 10.

    I thought his level of Game expertise would lead to a better distribution than that.

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  239. on July 10, 2009 at 12:59 am Gunslingergregi

    Are you saying there main squeeze is getting shared?

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  240. http://www.collegeotr.com/university_of_north_carolina_chapel_hill/beautiful_women_more_likely_to_cheat_18105

    [[[[High concentrations of oestradiol are associated with big breasts, facial attractiveness and low waist-to-hip ratio, with the result that men solicit such women. ]]]

    9/10s more likely to cheat; but not have casual sex.
    Geared to keep trading up for the highest value man.
    Evo.

    Doh. Looking for a super stupidly devout Born Again or Hindu or Muslim babe.
    Catholic and Jewish not included.
    Seldom devout and if they are; they’re married off by 23 if they’re semi good looking.
    The religious hotties run a bit dim or annoying; but less likely to fuck you over to fuck better deals.

    I find 8+ to be talented at skilled sucking.
    Is it some ego trip ? Do WHORES think it’s a turn on we’re fucking their sexy faces ? I’ve even tested this suspicion by stroking their faces while they suck my dick. Ramps up the SWALLOWING INTENSITY.

    But 8-10s not so good at fuck fucking.
    Actually I take that back; the hot ones also get into anal with gusto after some prodding. heh.

    Again, they like us fucking their hot asses ?

    Licking pussy seems mixed. Hot/ugly DOESN’T SEEM TO FACTOR.

    Most memorable hole I fucked in last 7 weeks was a needy English tourist 3/4. Good teeth; but big thighs and ass.
    Rode, bucked, moaned, the works.

    Next week a creamy sexy tiny 9 just lay there staring at me and made dumb gasps while I fucked her. Flipped her over and more blank over the shoulder stares as I grabbed her hair. sLOT WAS Tight as a drum, but the lack of gusto was a turn off.
    Boring shit.

    Even Black/Latina 9/10s are dull unless they’re getting anal or blowing me.

    Could it be that the anal/bjs are more ALPHA DOMINATING seeming to 9/10s ?

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  241. Just noticed Roissys description of his forthcoming book as “ornamental non-fiction.” That is about the best short characterization of “gonzo” I have ever seen.

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  242. on July 10, 2009 at 1:10 am Tupac Chopra

    Gunny:

    Yes. They are not sentimental.

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  243. @Selenium

    Nice try gay troll.
    Straight men have a natural instinct to ^want to^ KILL any other dude who fucks their woman.

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  244. on July 10, 2009 at 1:10 am Tupac Chopra

    But shared WITH them. Not alone.

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  245. on July 10, 2009 at 1:15 am Gunslingergregi

    Ok you and another guy having sex with his woman in the same room?

    Dude is watching.

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  246. on July 10, 2009 at 1:17 am Gunslingergregi

    That would take some serious depravation wtf.

    Or is it like they have been married to same chick for 25 years and that is part of her present for being a good girl for that time because he really doesn’t feel like hitting it so much anymore.

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  247. @greenlander

    Yes, all women are whores. That’s why hot whores are better than ugly fat whores.
    The hot ones want to cheat but are picky.
    The pigs aren’t picky about their slop.

    Land a 9/10 and wear her out so she’s too tired and dick broken to walk out the door.

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  248. on July 10, 2009 at 1:32 am Tupac Chopra

    Gunny:

    No, he gets his girl mindfucked into “openness” being “liberated” and she is so gaga for him that she is willing to do whatever he wants. Hell, his most recent chick (no doubt to the growing sociological pressures for women to whore-up) PITCHED herself as ALREADY being down with the threesomes. Just throw a little alchohol and coke into the mix and the next thing you know we running a train on that ho.

    But he treats them well, does all the romantic shit with them, but he still like to pimp them out to his close friends.

    Establishes his dominance. He’s got tons of alpha cred to spare.

    I guess you could say he’s a giver. 😉

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  249. @Gunslingergregi

    Three way dude is bogus or a troll or omniversesexual.

    But even omniversesexual dudes want sole ownership

    of their women.

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  250. on July 10, 2009 at 1:41 am Tupac Chopra

    Three way dude is bogus or a troll or omniversesexual

    Ha. You know not of the upper echelons of shrewd, decadent society.

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  251. @Tupac Chopra

    A giver ?
    He is practically squealing with delight about taking Alpha dicks up his ass.

    [[[[[ GAYLENIUM
    it’s no use fighting the alpha males, we must OFFER them our women, trust me I came harder than ever when this muscular stud was fucking my gf, we sucked him off together too.

    He’s fucked her a number of times since, I fantasize about them together I’m usually not there, although we did have another 3some and I licked his cum off her breasts, again I came super-hard.]]]]

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  252. on July 10, 2009 at 1:47 am Tupac Chopra

    Whatever dude. You have no idea.

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  253. on July 10, 2009 at 1:49 am Gunslingergregi

    I would think it would be more of a sense of power to have two or ten bitches only thinking about you.

    But to let her fuck another guy that yea of course if she is pretty she could get the guy to fuck her without your help.
    Would not be powerfull.

    Tupac letting it all hang out today. Dam dude.
    wtf

    Of course you “can” get woman to do that shit. You could probably also get them to jump off cliffs. Why would you want to see another dude fucking your girlfriend though.

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  254. @Tupac Chopra

    The omniversesexuals inhabit the wasted trust fund world I’m familiar with.
    But the ones I know who fuck both sides would ask their girlfriends to strap one on and fuck the musclebound dude while they getting blown by him.

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  255. on July 10, 2009 at 1:54 am Tupac Chopra

    It’s always threesomes or orgies, he doesn’t let them off his leash.

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  256. You men have really put a lot of thought into this!

    First let me state MEN ARE LUCKY. It is by far much easier for you to have orgasms than us women. With men, what you see (their genitals), is what you get. You’re all on the outside, while we are hidden.

    Finding a man who can provide us with multiple orgasms, both clitoral and vaginal, is not easy. For a while I just preferred to stay to myself, because I know exactly how to bring myself to orgasm quickly.

    [email protected] – then I found guys like you. Inexperienced but desperate young men make the most eager students and quick learners that you could ever dream of!

    (Many experienced male dimes are bad in bed because they don’t take good direction and are convinced that what worked on their last girlfriend will work on me. NOT. I would rather go it alone than have to fake an orgasm.)

    Re: cuckholding. It is only so if you are sneaking around on your man and having another man’s baby and telling him the baby is his. Otherwise, if two people go into a relationship with the intention of being polyamorous and they are clear, honest and straightforward about their intentions and boundaries, it is not cuckholding, it is, well, simply polyamory.

    Re: men insulting their mates and partner retention. Sounds counter-intuitive to me.

    Since the invention of contraceptions and the “loosening” of sexual morals (sexual revolution, etc), both men and women have a wider variety of sex partners available to them than ever before in history. Is this a good thing? The benefits are – more sex, more thrills, but what are the drawbacks? Lack of trust? The break down of the family? What else?

    Are we willing to turn back the clock to a simpler time if it means less sexual partners available to us?

    Is mating for life with just one person enough for us, even if we can be assured that life long mate will never leave us and break up our home? Could we be satisfied with just one sexual partner for our entire lifespan?

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  257. on July 10, 2009 at 1:56 am Tupac Chopra

    Why would you want to see another dude fucking your girlfriend though.

    To show her you are confident enough to do so.

    I’m not saying he’s the paragon of mental health.

    Used to be a hitman. You know the type.

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  258. on July 10, 2009 at 2:15 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ tupac
    You know SPM is talking about “selenium”, not your friend, right?
    Right?
    OK.

    Someday these dudes will meet a girl who they won’t want to share.
    It happens.

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  259. Billaire — missed your comment. I am excited. Very good points. Yes sex differences explain quite a bit. There’s also the economic ones. Outside nursing, women just are not as vulnerable to competition from immigration. [It’s very common for Hospitals to import Filipina nurses.] Women also find it gleeful to put beta men out of work — they find it “refreshing” and also a zero-sum game.

    Tupac — Yes but how much does that guy who pimps out his girlfriends value them? Not much I’d imagine. Do you think he’d marry them, or even walk across the street getting wet in a rainstorm for them?

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  260. I’m close with a couple of Super Alpha’s and they both get off and sharing their bitches with their lesser alpha friends (me, for instance).

    Isn’t that basically cuckoldry, or is this simply the dumping of no longer wanted women on the market? I’ve had my male friends and my cousin essentially do that to me, and I’ve generally said no to the idea of even dealing with their sometimes easy/slutty no-nailed women of varying races. Generally there’s a catch and a massive flaw…

    men dont want a pre-made family like a TV dinner

    It’s an interesting proxy to see how she’ll handle children and the responsibilities of being a parent. Of course, the downside is that you’re raising some other person’s kid, and I’d imagine that it may feed the egos of some betas (I’m saving her kid cause I’m a good better and better than the other men), for game using alpha males, it’s basically the second worst sin possible.

    Admittedly, it’s probably better for her to be honest than to deny that she sucks at an LTR, and then she marries some beta and drives him crazy with nagging.

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  261. @Obsidian

    [[[Think about it-theres only so many truly hot Alpha Males to go around, notably less so than Queen Bee hot babes
    So by definition she’s gonna have fewer chances to cut her conjugal teeth, to say nothing about being able to snag such a male, due to the very high demand.]]]

    But you are forgetting the obvious.
    Women are whores. Some nice whores, some bitchy whores ;but whores nonetheless.
    The 9/10s ones will go for A. hot Alphas B. rich Alphas C. hot rich Alphas. D. rich Betas

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  262. Auntyji

    [[[[I’m thinking that men’s anatomy is not as complex as the female form. We have alot of nooks and crannies and secret passages to work with]]]]

    Roast beef covered bat cave; sounds sexy.

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  263. on July 10, 2009 at 2:36 am Tupac Chopra

    Epoxy:

    Someday these dudes will meet a girl who they won’t want to share.
    It happens.

    Could be, but you have to admit that his M.O. prevents the de-alphaization that occurs when you pledge fidelity.

    He’s actually quite a shrewed man. An Overman, I would say. And I’m not swinging on his nuts. You’d have to meet this guy.

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  264. on July 10, 2009 at 2:42 am Tupac Chopra

    Whiskey:

    Tupac — Yes but how much does that guy who pimps out his girlfriends value them? Not much I’d imagine. Do you think he’d marry them, or even walk across the street getting wet in a rainstorm for them?

    I doubt he’d marry them (he had only one “Love Of His Life” (as do most of us here)) but he is a perfect gentleman in all other respects. In fact, he relishes playing the romantic, debonair sap at times. He can get away with it because his Alpha Quotient is so high he can invoke the handicap principle and do things that would get most men blown out. I’ve seen him write poetry and do the rose petal thing on numerous occassions.

    But he always keep the edge and the upper hand.

    And the chicks love him all the more for it.

    I’m not saying this the the path most guys should follow, but it works for him.

    Super Alphas have the luxury of acting like

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  265. on July 10, 2009 at 2:42 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Could be

    Happens to the best of us

    He’s actually quite a shrewed man.

    Shrewd.
    After “pledging fidelity”, maybe he’ll be shrewed.
    Heh.

    Yeah, I went there.

    An Overman, I would say. And I’m not swinging on his nuts. You’d have to meet this guy.

    You around Miami in early Aug?

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  266. on July 10, 2009 at 2:45 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””on July 10, 2009 at 2:24 am SPM
    But you are forgetting the obvious.
    Women are whores. Some nice whores, some bitchy whores ;but whores nonetheless.
    The 9/10s ones will go for A. hot Alphas B. rich Alphas C. hot rich Alphas. D. rich Betas””””””””””””””’

    I had a ten. Chick was a barbie I was poor that means I was a hot alpha oh shit. lol

    No wonder the shit was so easy he he he

    Somtimes you got to know what the less privelaged guy feels like though.

    It is was not pretty.

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  267. on July 10, 2009 at 2:51 am Tupac Chopra

    DA:

    Isn’t that basically cuckoldry, or is this simply the dumping of no longer wanted women on the market?

    No, he does itr because he is a total narcissist/psychopath and enjoys wielding power over his women.

    He only shares his women with his lesser alpha friends, not his equals.

    The women acquiesce in order to please their King.

    He enjoys being a “leader of men” and being magnanimous towards his crew. He is VERY protective of those who are loyal to him, men and women alike. He is not the PUA asshole-type you normally find in the Community.

    It doesn’t hurt that he has model good looks, a barely concealed capacity for violence, as well as a Machiavellian genius for interpersonal manipulation.

    But I bet he couldn’t get Clio. 😉

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  268. on July 10, 2009 at 2:53 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Could be, but you have to admit that his M.O. prevents the de-alphaization that occurs when you pledge fidelity.”””””””””””””””””

    I see pledgeing your life to a woman like when she has no arms and legs you help feed her till she caps off. Pledging fidelity is like making a promise you know your not gonna keep. Now pledgeing to be with her for life sure you can keep that.

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  269. @Tupac Chopra

    While you’re cupping his ballsack; make sure his apartment is ax free.

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  270. @Gunslingergregi

    I think some women are smart enough to take it for granted a husband who is an Alpha catch will fuck around.
    The Gov’s wife in SC should have covered his tracks for him and then SUCKED him until there’s no tomorrow when he came home.
    I find Italian, French and Greek chicks ‘get it’.
    It’s up to the wife to keep his interest coming back to her when he’s done playing.

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  271. on July 10, 2009 at 3:44 am Gunslingergregi

    Tupac you need to grab a plane and at least have coffee with the woman. She might trust herself with you that far he he he

    That has been a long term infatuation.

    Maybe oh my gosh “love” even.

    Course prob scary to meet the woman you idealize.

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  272. @Tupac

    Who is your Super Alpha friend?!?
    I want to meet him! (You should beg him to let you suck him off, he will agree as this will show his power to the woman even more)

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  273. on July 10, 2009 at 4:02 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Selenium

    You always did like, uh, double bonding, huh.
    Fucking chalcogens.

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  274. on July 10, 2009 at 4:08 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””whiskey
    Billaire — missed your comment. I am excited. Very good points. Yes sex differences explain quite a bit. There’s also the economic ones. Outside nursing, women just are not as vulnerable to competition from immigration. [It’s very common for Hospitals to import Filipina nurses.] Women also find it gleeful to put beta men out of work — they find it “refreshing” and also a zero-sum game.””””””””””””””’

    Well apparently they are importing phillipinas to do the advertising for those chicks that do webcam. Anyway this chick has a picture of a hot white chick. Then she tells me you want to see my cam I am like no I want you to be my woman.
    Keep going on and shit andway she gives me her email and phone number. This chick was phillipino and getting paid to get guys on there to go to the web cam site. So yea like I have said before there really are no jobs that cannot be outsourced. Especially when pi people are taught english from birth now.

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  275. Whiskey,
    Your reply to my “The Wire” question is quite telling, especially in light of how much you talk about media entertainment and the messages it sends out. It seems that your personal biases are allowed to get in the way of the facts.

    For all your handwringing about how tv shows don’t show the realworld as it is, especially when it comes to depicting crime and criminals, one would think the first one to see The Wire was you. But I see you have a vastly different agenda. Why am I not surprised?

    I’ve seen Homicide, it sucks compared to The Wire, and for good reason. Those who’ve seen both will instantly know what I’m talking about.

    Lastly, like you I have basic cable, but I have a very good friend who thought enough of me to buy me The Wire on DVD. I never saw it in its original run on HBO one, because I didn’t have the service and two, even if I did, I didn’t have the time, working as much as I did. Now I do have the time, and am immensely enjoying The Wire, which basically dismantles every single argument you’ve made both here and on your blogsite, w/all due respect, and again those who’ve actually seen The Wire will know exactly what I’m talking about.

    I understand you can rent The Wire from Netflix for little or nothing, very cheap. If you have any inclination toward fairness in your blog writing about entertainment media-and I do enjoy your writing, btw-then in that interest you owe it to yourself to put aside your agendas and biases and peep The Wire for yourself.

    O

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  276. on July 10, 2009 at 5:47 am Gunslingergregi

    Epox you work at google eh prob gonna be working with my half asian cousin life is funny ain’t it.

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  277. Gunslingergregi,

    “Virgin this girl more than likely wants to have sex with you and it was pissing her off that she thought you might of already had it she wants the virgin you.”

    I find it very difficult. I believe that she did it only to preassure one freind of mine who was also present. He is also virgin and has a stupidly big crush over her (the thing is so childish it scares me). That girl is such a bitch that after my friend has been acting like her puppy for three years, she find a new boyfriend and missed my friend’s 18 y.o. birthday party to be with a guy she had known at a disco last week. Her words: “Yes, I am dating a guy, but’s nothing serious”.

    “Basically you were negging her lol”

    Now that I think of it, it kind of acted like a neg… HOW CAN I BE SO BLIND!!!

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  278. Keith,

    “The next part indicates you’re trying too hard at this, and therefore revealing your virginity.”

    Believe me, I don’t try too hard.

    “Reply: “Because I keep turning you down.””

    Keith, this is the reply of the century. Thank you. I just don’t know why this can’t come naturally from me. I mean, it’s so… obvious it would be the good response.

    Guns,

    “Try the apocalypse on your friend virgin.”

    You may not believe but I’m dead to try the apocalypse in a late night lonely 9 or 10. Or to a cute looking younger girl alone outside a disco…

    However I’ve done too much shit with this friend of mine.
    Last year’s eve, we were all somewhat drunk and she was only with her panties on. She came to get something out of her purse who was close to me and then said in her bitchy drunk way: “Hey, don’t get advantage of me, leave my pussy away”.
    I was disgusted yet again by her being such a bitch and even drunk repplied: No thanks, I don’t want your pussy.

    Two days ago, for instance, we’re all in a group talking loosely about shit when someone playingfully accuses this girl of taking boys to her room at night.
    I, trying to be funny said: I do the same with girls, maybe you (to this girl) can come over and stay in my bedroom.
    She repplied, in her bitchy way: Maybe I will…

    So, there’s no apocalypse of my part that can function with her.

    But thanks for the advice to all that repplied. I found some advice pretty good.

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  279. “She probably also has crap self-esteem.”

    Mandy, if you want to know… she’s nearly twenty as well and at least untill three months ago, she had only fucked once. Do you know how she lost her virginity?

    She were dating for months with a guy one year younger then her (he’s the closest thing I have as an alpha and consider a friend). This guy is now in college and, while his current girlfriend is a six, he always has a nine or an eight interested in him.

    (Actually, when they (he and the first girl) started dating I stated clearly that he didn’t care at all about this 6 and that he just wanted to fuck “my” ten and couldn’t and as such would just pop that cherry in somewhat lower vallue girls.
    Curiosly enough, he now passes trough that ten I adore so much, and pretends not to know her out of no reason when she talks to him, which is pretty alpha.)

    This guy and the my friend who’s a six were both virgins. After some months dating, they fucked and the guy left the girl the next day. They were in the same class.

    Words from that guy one all-boys, somewhat close friends night in his beach home:

    We had that guy.
    Me, in love with a 10 who hardly cares about me.
    One freind of mine, who was the puppy of that same 6 for three years.
    And a guy who lost everything (mother, wealth, etc.) in one month and whose girlfriend (a 7) left him. She was his safe place.

    What did that guy said: “FIRSTLY, DON’T MATTER WHAT, NO WOMEN CONTROLS ME. NO WOMEN HAS NOTHING NEAR AN UPPER HAND OVER ME.”

    Damn, what words. I whish I could say the same. Because I must.

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  280. Mandy,

    “There is nothing wrong with being a virgin.”

    I vallue virginity in women and lack of promiscuity in men. However… I’m not virgin because I want, merely because the 10s, 9s and 8s I languish for, do not give me a chance.

    And I only recently found that maybe 6s and 7s can be fun too. So, it’s sad because it’s a stupid and non wanted situation.

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  281. Obsidian… fuck! And I thought I was demanding, always wanting beautifull dimes and such…

    I believe that how well the girl fucks is not important. Give me an average, or the top 80% below average, and I’ll be happy about it.

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  282. @Mandy

    Tupac’s obsession with me is kinda cute.

    Roark is quite an achievement as a character; an idealist who is still the most compelling figure in the novel. Rand does not pull that off in Atlas Shrugged; the hero of that novel is dull as church. In fact, Rand’s first novel, We the Living, is much better than Atlas Shrugged. Read We the Living, and don’t even bother with Atlas.

    “Roark was the Dudley-Do-Right who thought being an idealistic nerd was the path to success.”

    Roark doesn’t define success externally. He defines success by the ability to do the work that he loves. He’s intrinsically motivated. Roark even has to take a major hit to his social and economic status in the middle of the novel. Roark’s under no illusions that his path is going to make him the richest or get him the most chicks. And that’s what makes him so compelling. He rejects the yardsticks of success that others want him to use, so he leads the life he wants.

    “Wynand is the alpha of The Fountainhead”

    And that’s a major achievement of the novel. Wynand is a conventional Alpha, certainly as far as the “tribe” (society) is concerned. Wynand gets the money and the chicks. But the tribe doesn’t give confer alpha status for free. There are rules, and when the tribe rejects his message, Wynand can’t do a damn thing about it. “Alpha” status depends on the tribe, which makes alphas slaves to the tribe.

    Heck, as Roissy points up, if a guy defines his success based on the number of women he beds, that guy forfeits the right to stand how he likes and speak how he likes.

    “You know, kind of like the difference between me and Keith.”

    And yet Tupac is focused on me; and not I on him.

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  283. @Obsidian

    “I’ve seen Homicide, it sucks compared to The Wire, and for good reason. Those who’ve seen both will instantly know what I’m talking about.”

    The Wire is the best show that’s ever been on television. Obsidian’s right that The Wire was far better than Homicide. (My wife disagrees with me on this. This is an ongoing debate we have.)

    Homicide was ahead of it’s time, but it was still trapped in the conventions and constraints of network television. Whiskey’s right that the first few seasons were the best.

    The Wire just wasn’t trapped in network TV, so david Simon (who wrote the book “Homicide, Life on the Street”) could run free. The result was epic.

    Clark Johnson, who played Meldrick Lewis on Homicide, directed some episodes of the Wire, and had a major part in the final (and weakest) season of the Wire.

    Clark Johnson also directed several episodes of a very good cop show: The Shield. The Shield isn’t up to the level of The Wire, but The Shield pilot episode was the most awesome pilot episode ever.

    Ob, Netflix the first episode of The Shield and watch it. Don’t read anything about it. You really don’t want any spoilers.

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  284. …And now, we continue to stir the pot, burning off the dross of BS to reveal the searing light of truth underneath.

    Recently here in the forum we discussed HBD, but from a decidedly different perspective from that which folks like OneSTDV seem to be so intensely focused on; whereas he, Half Sigma, Audacious Epigone and others, seem fixated on Race & IQ, namely wrt the extreme left side of the Bell Curve, my own particular interest has been in response, those who are touted as the Best and the Brightest-those who’s winnings in the genetic lottery landed them on the right hand side of said Bell Curve.

    Yet, my interest hasn’t been Race & IQ, but something else, which we’ve been discussing here, and which I’ve personally found fascinating-Race & Sex.

    Yesss, once again we delve into those politically incorrect depths to uncover truths we only whisper about when we’re sure of our company; there are those who’s toes wil surely feel the Timberland Boot of Truth stomping quite hard on them.

    But, as our Fearless Leader Roissy has rightly noted, Science, and by extension Truth, simply won’t be denied. Day after day, we are beginning to see that truth.

    Which is, that just like the left half of the Bell Curve has real problems and downsides, so too does the right hand side. Nature may be a Bitch, but she’s a fair one-for there are tradeoffs in all things.

    In the context of the curent discussion, Hot Babes, it means that they too, being the winners of the beauty genetic lottery, have to pay a price for said rare beauty. One of them is that there are markedly fewer corresponding Men of similar handsomeness, of guys who are “on their level” and which will play a huge role in their own level of moistness between their thighs. Again as Roissy rightly noted, its hard for such Women to get seriously wet, hot and bothered for say, a mere 6 of a Man, if she’s a Certified Dime.

    Tru dat-and so it means, that she is less likely to turn in a performance Vanessa Del Rio herself would be proud of. Hence Obsidian’s Axiom #5:

    The hotter the chick, the more likely she is to be a Dead Fuck.

    Luckily for the vast majority of Women-who tend to be much more average than Men-the good news is that most of them will fall in the “mid-range” of the Bell Curve, as Chuck rightly pointed out yesterday-the 4s, 5s, 6s, and 7s of the world-who will have little trouble not only getting laid but also will have little trouble getting longterm mates either, something that is considerably more difficult for their genetically high achieving sisters. As Chuck said, this is due to the fact that Middling Gals have the ability to appeal to the biggest number of guys, in both directions on the Bell Curve-to the left just a bit, and to the right.

    So, let’s say you have a Woman who’s a 5. She can then attract 4 Males and 7 Males, respectively, on the scale. Whereas, Women being who they are, when they are exceedingly hot, they won’t be able to “see” anything less that say, an 8 Male, assuming she’s a stompdown Dime. Because Middling Chick has more Males to choose from that Hot Chick, we now can see why the latter is on average, lesser sexually skilled than the former, despite the bump up in looks. This makes sense, as the former has much more chance to learn her sexual skillset than the former, who relies much more on sheer beauty to get the job done.

    Here we come to the good part-the differences btw how Whites and Blacks view this Skill vs Beauty issue.

    It has been suggested by some, that Blacks tend to invest less in their offspring than do Whites, for the simple reason that their ancestral environment was such that the Women could be more independent-they could provide for the offspring w/little or no assistance from the Men.

    On the other hand, the environment that is the ancestral home of Whites was such that it was very difficult for Women to do likewise, and therefore came to depend on their Men much moreso than her Black sisters. Also, because of the harsher weather conditions, the chances for infant mortality was greater, and so it made sense to invest more resources to ensure that mother and child survived.

    I would like to submit that, if all this is indeed true, and is surely something HBDers accept as such, that it plays a strong role in White and Black Males regard the Skill vs Beauty issue-White Males seem to value Beauty more in a Woman, since this is an obvious evolutionary holdover from their time in a much harsher environment, and its quite possible that Black Men value Sexual Skill in a Woman more, as a holdover in their own ancestral environment (in other words, the Woman had to bring some “work” skills to the table in addition to, or even in lieu of any beauty considerations).

    This would make sense as well when one considers the fact that Blacks in our time tend to have more STDs than do Whites-an imperfect, but stil plausible proxy as to who tends to have more sex, on average. Surely, its a lot easier to screw in a tropical environment than a harsh snow covered one, right?

    And, as many White brothers are quick to point out, Black Men don’t seem to stress physical beauty in a Woman as much as they do, comparitively speaking and on average. Now, noting all the above, we may know why.
    So, it makes sense, in our time, that a White guy, who in all likelihood isn’t getting as much sheer pussy as his Black counterpart, is more than happy to bed a serious hottie regardless of her actual sexual skilset; and it also makes sense that a Brotha, who’s seen quite a bit of ass in his lifetime, may not be as impressed w/a big butt and a smile alone. Indeed, he may be more than willing to tradeoff a bit of looks to secure a high quality lay.

    Nothing set in stone here. I’m just thinking outloud.

    But, again, if one accepts HBD arguments, it all makes sense. And explains the world in which we see.

    The above theories on my part, also opens the door to other quite easily observed aspects of Game as seen btw White and Black Males, in terms of their approach to securing Females sexually. But I’ll save said ideas for another post.

    In the meantime, holla back

    The Obsidian

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  285. @selenium- your presence here is a bit off and can only result in endless abuse for you. which may be what you want, who knows.

    @al- right hand side of the bell curve? hmm… also, re your request for advice, i think they’re both overreacting, blowing it out of proportion. what they should have done was … actually *speak* over their cell phones to avoid the confusion of ambiguous text messages. at this point, they shodl both just apologize for the confusion and missed event and set something else up. doesn’t seem too complicated to me.

    @obs, whiskey- obs is right, the wire is way better than homicide. almost a totally different kind of TV. not having HBO is kind of a lame excuse for never having seen the wire, since right around the time of the final season’s premiere it was receiving major media hype and acclaim. watch it on DVD- that’s what we did.

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  286. Mandy:

    @Virgin:

    There is nothing wrong with being a virgin. I mean, maybe it’s worse for guys, but it’s not like you have the plague. EVERYONE starts out as a virgin.

    I was a virgin until I was 21 and it felt very much like having the plague. Of course for girls virginity is an asset but for guys it is indeed a stigma and not attractive at all. When I was 20 I even met a girl who liked me but did not want to have sex with me just because I was a virgin. She “did not want to be that important in my life.” So I finally took care of it by going to a brothel in Nashville. It was a high-class place called Miko’s and after I rang the door bell and the madam greeted me five or six hot girls lined up, I got to be the chooser for once and lost my virginity for merely 230 dollars. At that point the girl I mentioned had unfortunately moved to California but it did not take long before I got other offers. My life up until then had been ruined by being a virgin. Women will never be easy but the least you can do is loose that virginity and all you need is a little money.

    My only regret, besides not learning game, is not seeing a prostitute several years earlier and that is the remedy I would suggest for our Virgin here.

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  287. on July 10, 2009 at 8:19 am Gunslingergregi

    Or he could save up 10 g’s then do the apocalypse 10g offer to the ten. he he he

    I don’t know I lost mine to some chick that had already had a couple abortions, was older, and I didn’t know it was a one night stand.

    Thems the breaks but it is wierd looking back like wtf

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  288. Half Sigma, […] and others, seem fixated on Race & IQ

    Race and IQ are legitimate topics but I wouldn’t take Siggie too seriously. He comes off as an aspergerish obsessive with very serious anti-Christian chip on his shoulder. He is basically Steve Sailer after you subtract Sailer’s wit, goodwill, personality, originality, intelligence, and insight.

    For the longest time I assumed that he is a sheltered 20-something, until he reveraled that he’s in his fourties.

    I check in at HS from time to time to be entertained by his Rainman-like comments about “proles” and “Christains.”

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  289. PA,
    Wrt Half Sigma: noted.

    Now-whatcha think about my theory?

    O

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  290. on July 10, 2009 at 9:10 am SmartyJones

    Roissy wins again. Remember one study that actually said that women actually do orgasm by focusing on the man’s face. And that the more attractive she found him the more likely that was to transpire in a way that made her happy. Don’t know if it’s true.

    But I think there’s something to it. As for the personal experience, a little enthusiasm goes a long way. Can’t comment on being with a 6. Don’t think I’ve been with any woman who is less than a 7 or 8.
    My wiring says just don’t. And even if she is, if the words out of her mouth strike me poorly, that doesn’t help her either.

    One beauty though, well the inspiration was evident at release. This Roissyism is on the money.

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  291. sigma is in his 40’s??????????????????????????

    no
    fucking way

    i thought he was 31

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  292. Your sexual HBD comments make sense, though HBD isn’t a majort area of intreest to me, other than the fact that I tend to agree with its claims.

    My one quarrel with many HBD proponents is their blinkered materialism. By which I mean their militant atheism and refusal to reconcile their area of expertise (HBD/biology) with an area they have no knowledge but strong opinions on (the religious/transcendent reality).

    As far as prettiet girls being duds inbed… you and Roissy both made sensible arguments. In my experience, a girl’s skill and enthusiasm isn’t much correlated with her looks. It’s more about the mood and chemistry between me and her.

    My worst lay was a pudgy 5, who sensed my lack of enthusiasm and became sullen in the act. And one of my best lays in the rawest, animal sex sort of way was a young solid-7 on whom I ran hardcore natural-asshole game in my early/mid 20s.

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  293. i thought he was 31

    He once mentioned his high school graduation date as being in the mid-80s, so his age is my extrapolation from that fact.

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  294. @Arpagus:

    I think everyone here agrees that you have some serious mental hangups. No offense, buddy. But there are some things you have to work on.

    There is something to your brothel suggestion. I know it was traditional back in the day (and in Latin America, although I don’t know if it’s practiced anymore) for fathers to take their sons to initiate themselves into manhood at a brothel.

    @SmartyJones:

    ” And that the more attractive she found him the more likely that was to transpire in a way that made her happy. Don’t know if it’s true.”
    Ok, although I don’t have *experience*, I can tell you that EVERY girl likes an attractive man. EVERY girl. So this doesn’t surprise me.

    Looks are important for girls too, it’s just that girls are more likely to settle.

    http://www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm

    Mask of the ideal male face.

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  295. @ Whiskey, Re The Wire & Sopranos:

    Whiskey, Obsidian & Keith are right about the quality of the show – it’s off the charts. You really owe it to yourself to check it out. This is coming from a white (Irish-descent) guy from NJ who loved, loooooved the Sopranos, and didn’t want to believe those who told him The Wire was better.

    The Sopranos, seasons 1-2, and even 3, were fantastic. After that it dropped off. The Jersey angle was especially cool to me, as the women were perfect, and the mafiosi – if a bit cartoonish, were still grounded in reality. Tony himself is an unbelievable character, and Gandolfini was masterful in his portrayal. Christopher was unreal too.

    My brothers and others kept telling me about the Wire, saying it was better than The Sopranos, and I finally borrowed a copy of Season 1 from somebody. Let me tell you….holy shit is it good. It’s better than any cop show that’s ever been on TV, and it transcends “cop shows”. It is a work of art, and a masterpiece at that. It’s almost like a Russian novel, or something, the quality is that high. Seriously.

    @ Obsidian, re HBD and right side of the bell-curve:

    I’ll only make two quick points, taking up your challenge as to why Sailer, et al. have ignored potential downsides of the right-side vis a vis game, and the possibility that too-much smarts can be detrimental to the pickup, and that brotha’s (and otha’s) who may be more left-side have other intangibles that may help them with women, etc.

    1) IQ is something that’s been studied in a rigorous way for a long time. (Military tests, etc.) There’s a vast store of quantitative data out there, and precise, well-supported claims can be made about how G is distributed among various people(s). In contrast, all we’d have to go on in “studying” game is anecdotal evidence. (And of course, multiple anecdotes does not a dataset make). It’s hard to imagine how we’d even quantify a left-sider’s greater “game” as compared to a right-siders, or how we would test subsequent claims. (E.g., how would you translate your intuitions into a falsifiable hypothesis, thus render it scientific?)

    For good or ill, the study of IQ has been made rigorous, and is thus a proper subject of scientific endeavor. “Game”, at the moment, is not. (Though this could conceivably change in the future.)

    2) Sailer and other HBD folks can be seen, on some level, as reacting to the uber-pretty-lie of our time, which is: all people have equal potential to do all things, and any “disparate impact” noted in any endeavor/result/field/industry is the result of systemic discrimination. This background article of faith is so strong a part of the modern illness, that questioning it is simply not done in polite society.

    Title IX, affirmative action, Sotomayor-esque legal maneuvering are all, from a conservative viewpoint, extremely pernicious and harmful. This arch pretty-lie is being shoved down our collective throats ad nauseam, and HBDers are keen on refuting it.

    So….the reason that Sailer, et al. focus on IQ & race is largely because of (2), the liberal lie of blank-slatism that has infused and suffocated academia and elite culture needs debunking, and (1), “IQ” is a legitimate, empirical vehicle whereby this can be done.

    If there were i) pretty-lies in academia, (most) TV, and the media which held that nerdy white guys were on average just as smoov with the ladies as Barry White and Billy Dee William, and it was only racism! that could lead one to think otherwise, and ii) rigorous empirical evidence to the contrary, you bet your ass we’d see Sailer, et al. debunking that myth too.

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  296. PA,
    W/all due respect your best sexual experience w/a 7 Female is not what either I or Roissy for that matter, is talking about-both of us, I think, are speaking to the tailend on the right side of the Bell Curve, those chicks who are solid 9s and Dimes. The 7 you had would be considered Middling.

    And, when you just sitdown and think about it, it all makes sense-if its true that Women in general have an easier time getting laid, then it only stands to reason that really hot Women don’t have to do much at all to get laid. Just lay there. Which, I posit, is all most White guys need to get the job done.

    I’m suggesting more needs to happen for most Brothas, Dave Alex types excepted. And even in his case, look at his many comments. They focus on looks to be sure, *but a certain kind of look*, one that is as easy a proxy for him to discern said Woman’s sexual interest, enthusiasm and skill.

    So, it seems, much to his chagrin, Dave Alex’s a Brotha whether he wants to be one or not, LOL!

    Lastly, as for Half Sigma-I peeped his steez way back, man. He’s one of the supposed Best & Brightest who never panned out, one of life’s worst rejects and failures, because so much was expected of him. And instead of dealing w/his personal demons w/dignity and grace, he scapegoats and hates on the most vulnerable of society. So much for his high and mighty HBD theories, hmm?

    God, its fun beating these guys with their own shit

    Holla back

    O

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  297. on July 10, 2009 at 9:34 am Gunslingergregi

    Allright virgin check this out (idea for a try),

    I do have a regret I never told my 1st ten that I loved her.
    Even though she told me I was the type of man she could fall in love with I didn’t reciprocate the words.

    Rent the presidential sweet of a hotel in your area (you do this by also explaining your intention for the night and the romance of it all they will probably give you a steep discount like if it is 4k you will get it for 1k or if not enough loot go for their second best sweet ask to see the rooms before committing make sure it is nice check multiple hotels got to use some game to get them to give you best possible price may also have to let them pick the day when their might be a party only in the morning for the pres sweet but you will be renting it for night now the people with party might have already paid for the night but the hotel gets to double dip. Say party reception finishes 4 or so still time to bust your move and go out or they might blow your mind with a steep discount offer what you want to pay they will work with you then move on to next one and do same thing to get best value) go in there the the morning of and take some bags of rose petals ((((((to get bags of rose petals you go to flower shops that have females that are runing the shop let them know exactly what your plan is to do with these flowers then you might just pick up a couple numbers and they just might start tearing off the petals from the regular roses not just what dropped off while there heart is melting and they wish they where the one some guy was doing this for.)))))) with you write:

    I am the only man who for life will love you. (this is true right?)

    Trail the words on into the bedroom with the love you on the bed. Take some bouquets of flowers spread that around the room. Get some champaine on ice. With a couple glasses. Set up about 30 to 40 of those floating candles. Grab some sweet smelling incense. Have someone from the hotel on your command from your message on the mobile to go in and light the candeles/incense and pop the champaine on ice. Grab a selection of songs you two like and loop that bad boy for when you walk in.

    Now before you hit the hotel room with her you got to make reservations somewhere nice to eat in the same hotel. Grab a suit with pocket square (copyright g man) right. Eat good. Then hit the room.

    Of course you want to introduce yourself to the staff pass 20 dollars each to the people you talk to. When you make reservations for the room. The concierge person who will light the candles. When making reservation at the resteraunt talk to the chef to make something with some fire on it or maybe one of his specialties. Pre order a couple little things so they are just brought out for you without you having to ask for anything. Or I suppose if they think they are really fancy it will allready be automatic with maybe a 4 course meal. When making the plans to have the violinist play at your table for an hour or so. The point is when you walk in they will be chanting your name that is a good thing.

    Now you just have to come up with loot and an excuse for her to go with you alone. At least maybe give it a shot. She might say no she might say yes who knows.

    Just let her know at the hotel how you feel about her whats to lose. Let her know you will always be there for her (if that is what you mean) not for just one night of sex but for her whole life and that it is more meaningfull to have sex with you since you truley love her.

    Then if she says no you got the room and go ahead and call for the escort. So either way it will be one memorable fucking night.

    So yea with the I am getting laid today either way on your mind it should take some pressure off in dealing with your ten. Let her know all the shit you have been thinking. Plus let her know if she says no you will be doing a escort lol At you guys age it might work to blindside her with her own inner dream.

    Good Luck! if that is your thing or even doable.

    For this night you will consider yourself a super alpha so that all the romance type stuff is ok he he he

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  298. Again, in my expereince with beautiful girls, I don’t recall any duds. I’ve slept with a superhottie (solid 9) who was a bitch and had attitude, but she was by no means a dead lay.

    My only dud lays were middling 5s who weren’t into it because they picked up on my so-so enthusiasm.

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  299. — He’s one of the supposed Best & Brightest who never panned out, one of life’s worst rejects and failures, because so much was expected of him. And instead of dealing w/his personal demons w/dignity and grace, he scapegoats and hates on the most vulnerable of society. So much for his high and mighty HBD theories, hmm?

    Not to pile on (fuck it, I’ll pile on; he piles on “proles” all the time) but he strikes me as a guy who has above-average but by no means brilliant intellect (his blog is basically Sailer without the wit & insight; even his blog entries seem to echo Sailer’s postings) and low levels of ambition/aggression, things that a successful lawyer needs to be equipped with.

    You are right in that he is not dealing with his demons in a graceful way. The time to be angry and go through a crisis is about the 28-32 year period. After that, you need to accept that you never became the astronaut you always wanted to be, and recallibrate your attitude to match your station. And then be productive and have fun.

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  300. ABax,
    Of course, I always knew the answer as to what motivated the OneSTDVs and Half Sigmas and even Steve Sailers of the world, and its the reasons, and a few more that are directly linked to them, that you noted.

    However, Game is not to be poo pooed because it has yet to be taken into the Academy.

    Much of it rests on the growing body of empirical research coming out of the EvoPsych world, as well as allied scientific arms, like the one Roissy mentions above. Moreover, Game relies heavily on field testing, comparing notes and yup, folk wisdom-which in part, undergirds my premise here, that the old saw about homely and fat chicks try harder at sex than their finer betters do. We all laugh at that, some may scoff, but how many of us are willing to admit in an open forum that there’s a ring of truth to the saying? Hmm?

    The same holds true wrt the HBDers, who all tend to have something in common-they all tend to bunch up on the right side of the Bell Curve. Therefore, it wouldn’t be very advantageous to discuss WHY they were never able to pickup those fine honies as them dem assed Black jocks. Its not for nothing that one can literally feel the seething anger dripping off the page when reading many of these guys…might that also be because of what I’m writing about, too?

    Hmm?

    To quote a figure much beloved in these parts, I say there’s a there, there. I’m on to something.

    And like my Pitbull, I’m gonna lockjaw on it.

    The Obsidian

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  301. on July 10, 2009 at 9:42 am Gunslingergregi

    obsid didn’t I say you where commiting a hate crime against whtie people by you intent on this site.

    have the decency to fuck off.

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  302. Though I’ll agree with Obsidian on one thing: in my strip club going days, the superhot young girls gave mediocre lapdances, but the 7s/8s in their late 20s were amazing.

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  303. Freudian Slip

    of the
    year:

    Obsidian revealed: First we begin w/her cocksucking skills-is there lots of slavia, slurping and sucking sounds(?)

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  304. Easy, Gunny. Don’t hate the Playah, hate the Game.

    Maurice, ABax,
    The reason why Whiskey has NEVER dealt with The Wire is very easy, its because it would fuck up all his whining and moaning about how Beta White guys are getting the shaft on tv six ways to Sunday. It would put to bed the LIE that tv doesn’t show, and I’m quoting him directly, “the depressing reality of violent street crime”-meaning, showing Blacks as criminals. It would upset the apple cart of his thesis that there ain’t nothing out there for guys to watch, that shows can’t be written that are engaging and gripping, and so on. In short, like nearly everything else in Whiskey’s writings, he tacitly ignores that which would force him to rethink his deeply held beliefs. Don’t wanna confuse him with the facts.

    Sounds eerily reminiscent of the tunnelvision focus of the HBD set, now don’t it?

    O

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  305. i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???

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  306. Lastly, as for Half Sigma-I peeped his steez way back, man. He’s one of the supposed Best & Brightest who never panned out, one of life’s worst rejects and failures, because so much was expected of him. And instead of dealing w/his personal demons w/dignity and grace, he scapegoats and hates on the most vulnerable of society. So much for his high and mighty HBD theories, hmm?

    I have to agree here. A-Bax said Sailer and co. are doing what they do in response to pretty lies. I half-agree. They’re motivated by a pretty lie, but not the noble ones A-Bax claims. I think the main pretty lie they’re motivated by is the one O posts above, the one they got when they were kids growing up: that if you are smart with a high IQ and do great in school, the world opens up to you and is your oyster. At some point reality mugged them and life didn’t add up to the expectations and they never got over it. And they won’t rest until that pretty lie is proven true.

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  307. ME!

    me me me

    black black black

    I love the The Wire!!

    Where da whi’ wimmin at??

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  308. @kam

    “i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???”

    I understand some men like it and if it’s accompanied by gag tears even hotter. If I had to guess I’d say it’s because it proves they’re BIG men.

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  309. Aoefe and kam

    men like dominance. the more women in real life act like harridan shrews with impunity, the more men will prefer violent humiliating sex in the bedroom–it’s the only place they are “allowed” to dominate anymore

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  310. The lead female character in the French movie “Romance” was into gagging. The move was written and directed by a woman.

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  311. @ kam, aoefe

    “i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???” / “I understand some men like it and if it’s accompanied by gag tears even hotter. If I had to guess I’d say it’s because it proves they’re BIG men.”

    Heh. Yeah, it apparently is. My boyfriend adores tears accompanied by streaked mascara.

    True story.

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  312. Mandy! XD – your link is interesting and dead on accurate. It reminded me of an article that was all about symmetry and how that was the universal standard for attractiveness.

    But I still find it unsettling when a girl focuses on that or an aspect of it. At a formal event I met a woman who commented about how beautiful my eyes were. She had “that look” when she said it that I was familiar with and well, she was married and as it turned out I knew her husband. Didn’t really matter though, the comment and how she said it sharpened her as someone who falls down over such.

    Tend to view it that way. I guess the women who are on the receiving end of this all the time must have a similar amplified reaction to guys all the time.

    Definitely something guys want to avoid.

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  313. Not trying to poo-poo game, and I’m a big fan of evo-psych. I thought Pinker’s magnum opus was unparalleled, and have huge respeck for Razib Kahn, GNXP, 2Blowhards, agnostic, and others who write from an evo-psych, non-liberal viewpoint. (I found this blog via 2Blowhards, fwiw).

    I’ve never read any Half-Sigma, and you guys could be absolutely right that he’s bitter, or whatever. Don’t know enough to say. If so, so much the worse for his manliness.

    I’m a big fan of Steve Sailer though, and will stand my ground with him. He doesn’t seem to me like he has an ax to grind against NAMs themselves, and doesn’t seem to have any real animus towards blacks or hispanics. From where I’m sitting, he reserves his animus for elite liberals and the media who promulgate race-fantasy thinking with an iron-fist in the velvet glove.

    I’m sure game does have a scientific basis – it wouldn’t work so consistently and effectively if it weren’t consistent with the truths of the world that the scientific method has thus far uncovered. Evo-psych, behavioral economics, and gender differences in physiology and (current, not bs-liberal) psychology undergird the principles of game, no doubt.

    My point was simpler, narrower one: that one’s proficiency, or lack thereof, with game is not itself yet rigorously defined enough to be the object of a properly scientific study. Is game legit? Of course. Is it grounded in science, or at least, consistent with well-established scientific results? Yes, though the brightly lit path from playa fieldwork to esoteric theory is not yet complete (though Roissy and others have done much hacking through the underbrush here). Is game quantifiable? At the moment, no.

    That’s all I was trying to say.

    Peace.

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  314. Choking a chick in the act. Not my bag baby. (Maybe some guys think a girl deserves or needs it, who knows.)

    One statistical sample perhaps meaningless.

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  315. To pickup on Joe’s point…

    Yup, time to call a spade a spade-those guys have a sense of entitlement, and how dare dem Darkies take our spots? Even though the truth is a weebit more complex than that, but as I just showed w/Whiskey, they have a vested interest in this thing.

    And it shows.

    I’ve been asked a number of times, if I was gonna start up a blog of my own. To be honest, I never intended to do so. But someone’s gotta answer these guys, and besides, I think its only fitting that an Inner City, publicschool educated, Working Class Brotha do the job. What a contrast.

    So, coming this Fall, for sure: Obsidian-The Blog.

    Stay tuned…

    O

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  316. @smarty jones

    “Choking a chick in the act. Not my bag baby.”

    The choking we’re talking about is not hands about the throat kind. 🙂

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  317. Choking, shoes, bondage, stuff like that is not for me.

    Sex is all about wantin’ to unload it + enjoy the delights of a girl’s body and her responses to me.

    All the extraneous stuff would just be an odd distraction … unless it’s things that enhance her desirability, like a sweet sundress or a see-thru top. Needless to say, small boobies are a must.

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  318. @SmartyJones:

    You feel uncomfortable when women focus on appearance?

    I’m not saying that all women are *only* about appearance, although we do note when a guy is hot. Just like men note when a woman is hot, although their conversation might be more openly sexual in nature.

    I think a man can ultimate cultivate a level of attractiveness for himself through his personality, which is why you might see a man that’s a 6 with a woman that’s an 8 (although when you talk to him he won’t SEEM like a 6 because of his personality).

    It is important to note that attraction IS important in a relationship (and Roissy teaches how to build it, which is great).

    As it is, I think women are, to a certain extent, uncomfortable when men focus *only* on appearance as well. No one wants someone that is 100% superficial.

    I can’t speak for all women though, because I’m weird.

    As for the woman that complimented you, how did she do it? Maybe she’s a serial-complimenter. I’m somewhat guilty of doing that; if I notice that someone has pretty eyes, nice hair, a nice outfit, a cool accent, a funny personality, etc. I’ll point it out (regardless of their gender). Not in a flirtatious way, it’s just honest. I save the flirting for my boyfriend. I think a lot of guys mistake a girl’s niceness as an indicator that she is flirting with her. (Although I think you have a better understanding of social cues than “most guys” if you’re on here and know something about game).

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  319. kam

    i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???

    you bet. its the only thing
    that shuts you
    up

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  320. LILGRL

    My boyfriend adores tears accompanied by streaked mascara.

    psh. he can get that
    by hiding your
    credit card

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  321. Obsidian

    Where da whi’ wimmin at??

    Obama’s
    Cabinet

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  322. ABax,
    Is Economics quantifiable? Psychology? Sociology? You see my point. Just because something isn’t ironclad quant doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value nor that it can’t inform our understanding of the world.

    See, I argue that one of the reasons why we have heard almost nothing about the downsides of the other end of the Bell Curve is because it isn’t advantageous for them to do so. But I also believe its because of the extreme tunnelvision that often accompanies an IQ that’s really high in Males. And there are some other theories that I’ll keep to myself for now.

    Btw, I like Sailer, and to his credit he’s the only HBDer to actually offer solutions to the problems presented by the left side of the Bell Curve. Really good reading.

    O

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  323. “that science eventually comes around to proving the validity of your personal observations”

    Unfortunately, even though anecdotal evidence and years of scientific research might support your view, those with “faith” in the opposing perspective may never come around. It’s difficult for people to divorce themselves from their hopeful delusions.

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2009/07/liberals-who-deny-evolution.html

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  324. on July 10, 2009 at 10:32 am Seeking_Alpha

    We’ve discovered Gammon’s secret identity!

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102009/news/nationalnews/tail_to_the_chief_178552.htm

    That girl Obama got caught staring at is a 16 year old Brazilian girl

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  325. @ Mandy! XD

    “You feel uncomfortable when women focus on appearance?”

    Moreso when they focus on my appearance is what I’m saying. Not in the generic way but when they do so in a dreamy way. You know what I’m talking about.

    On the whole when it’s not overkill, I tend to overlook it almost entirely. Like with one gf who remarked about it as she was leaving the table in a restaurant. Then some time later after a morning workout she just blurts out, “I love your body.”

    In that instance I should have put two and two together along with her remarks about her father and his poor “attitude” towards his daughters and know that this was going to lead to a bad outcome.

    I’ve mentioned in passing that here in NYC, the response from women can be entirely measured differently just in how you are dressed. Today I will be making a run to midtown’s DMV in shorts. I will be somewhat “invisible” so to speak.

    If I’m on a business run dressed in an Italian suit, it’s an entirely different ballgame. I’m amused by that more than anything. But the compliments that are enjoined with royal supplication…. you know the drill.

    All you ladies do. You have the non-verbal stuff down cold.

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  326. @dana

    “men like dominance. the more women in real life act like harridan shrews with impunity, the more men will prefer violent humiliating sex in the bedroom–it’s the only place they are “allowed” to dominate anymore”

    Women ARE behaving poorly these day but I don’t believe dominating sex in the bedroom is a consequence for it. My guess is even if women stopped being ‘harridan shrews’ men would still enjoy domination in the bedroom and women would still get off on it.

    Additionally I think there are distinctions between domination, violence and humiliating sex they are mutually exclusive but can be strung together. For example choking during oral doesn’t mean it’s violent or humiliating, it’s a symptom of the act for many. Oral is also not necessarily domination. Domination comes into play if it’s directed/ordered, violence if the girl doesn’t have any control with the force of it and humiliating if she’s taken beyond a limit (that said limit pushing can be hot too).

    I believe there are men writing here who have relationships where they don’t feel emasculated in any part of their relationship (i.e. Epoxy) and domination would spill over into all aspects of their relationship. The natural order as far as I’m concerned is men are meant to be dominant and women are meant to follow men’s lead in the bedroom AND out of it.

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  327. Dana is correct in her reasoning wrt a Woman gagging on a Man’s dick. And yup, choking while engaged in sex, etc, all are allied.

    Women as a rule love to be dominated in some way during sex, and other areas of life, too. And of course, Men like to dominate his Woman; as Roissy has noted, rightly I might add, the sense of owning your Woman is very important to a Man; the sense of being taken by a much more powerful Man is very important to a Woman.

    LilGrl’s Man’s sexual interests are in no way unique; there is an entire genre of porn devoted to nothing but Women gagging on cocks, their faces streaked w/mascara-streaked tears. Big business I’ve heard, too.

    See, Dana? The Obsidian can be fair when the time occasions it. 😉

    O

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  328. @ aoefe

    I’m not into that either. Prefer consistency and that is going to mess up the rhythm. It’s all about rhythm.

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  329. @pa

    “Choking, shoes, bondage, stuff like that is not for me. ”

    For most women what turns them on is what turns their partner on or at least that’s the way it should be. I think all women should be open to exploration when and if their partners are directing it. There is nothing wrong with being into fetishes, just like there is nothing wrong if you aren’t. The issues arise when partners are not on the same page. Personally I believe for ltr’s to survive there will be a need to expand the sexual vocab otherwise it becomes old. Open mindedness best approach.

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  330. Ahhh, our Man OneSTDV! Just in time. Pull up a chair.

    I trust you weren’t talking me with your post? I’ve never questioned the basic premise of HBD, but rather the motivations of its biggest flagwavers, you included. And, as I’ve just announced, I plan to focus on other aspects of HBD the socalled Best & Brightest just haven’t seen fit to investigate.

    Soon. Very soon.

    So, in the meantime, I guess you could consider my musings here as a kind of preview to all of that, and I look forward to our upcoming colloquiy.

    Holla back

    O

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  331. @mandy XD

    Were you at the G8? I think someone was staring at your ass.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/07102009/news/nationalnews/tail_to_the_chief_178552.htm

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  332. “Since the invention of contraceptions and the “loosening” of sexual morals (sexual revolution, etc), both men and women have a wider variety of sex partners available to them than ever before in history. Is this a good thing? The benefits are – more sex, more thrills, but what are the drawbacks? Lack of trust? The break down of the family? What else?

    Are we willing to turn back the clock to a simpler time if it means less sexual partners available to us?

    Is mating for life with just one person enough for us, even if we can be assured that life long mate will never leave us and break up our home? Could we be satisfied with just one sexual partner for our entire lifespan?”

    @Auntyji —

    The sexual revolution provided more sex to women and the most desirable men. Paradoxically, it’s provided less sex to many/most men than the regime of monogamy did, where there was (more a less) a girl for every boy. That isn’t the case today because under a system of soft polygamy (what we have going now), women float up the male food chain and many men in the midlevels go without. So the benefits of the sexual revolution have been mostly for women (unsurprising as it was women mostly who agitated for it) and the most desirable (for sex) men. It’s true that the availability of casual sex has gone up for everyone, but again most guys in the middle of the pack were getting more sex from their wives than they do in this casual sex market.

    The costs, as you say, are the destruction of the family and fatherhood. Seems like a pretty big price to pay, socially, for the benefits of free-for-all sex, especially given how uneven those benefits are distributed among the population to begin with.

    Monogamy is a choice. It was never easy on people, but it had great social benefits (and personal ones, too, in terms of providing the basis for long-term, stable love relationships, rather than sexually exciting short to medium term ones). The main issue, though, is that people have stopped viewing marriage as being a social institution and something that molds them, and instead evaluate it from the perspective of whether it is — at any given point in time — personally fulfilling in every way. Most marriages will fail the latter test at some point along the way, if only for a certain period of difficulty. And that is when people leave the marriage, generally. Once we made marriage about personal satisfaction and happiness, we killed it, because the institution was never intended to maximize your personal fulfillment 24/7.

    There can be no turning back of the clock, though. That genie is not going back into the bottle. And that’s where Game comes in — > we know the system is bad, but we also know that the system is not going to change anytime soon, so Game is a coping mechanism to deal with that.

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  333. Aoefe,
    Much agreed. Discussion-very, very careful discussion, of these issues is a must before anything jumps off. Both people have to be on the same page.

    But I can say from personal experience, that pushing your Woman’s boundaries for enduring pain is DA BOMB.

    O

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  334. thats some nice brazilian ass; can’t blame a guy for looking

    i hear bill clinton
    asked O to get her room number

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  335. @ aoefe

    My guess is even if women stopped being ‘harridan shrews’ men would still enjoy domination in the bedroom and women would still get off on it.

    SRSLY

    Additionally I think there are distinctions between domination, violence and humiliating sex they are mutually exclusive but can be strung together. For example choking during oral doesn’t mean it’s violent or humiliating, it’s a symptom of the act for many. Oral is also not necessarily domination. Domination comes into play if it’s directed/ordered, violence if the girl doesn’t have any control with the force of it and humiliating if she’s taken beyond a limit (that said limit pushing can be hot too).

    QFT.

    I believe there are men writing here who have relationships where they don’t feel emasculated in any part of their relationship (i.e. Epoxy) and domination would spill over into all aspects of their relationship.

    Yeah, and he loves it. Awesome relationships can even soften the toughest of alphas.

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  336. @obsidian

    Discussion-very, very careful discussion, of these issues is a must before anything jumps off.

    I disagree in some ways it takes the domination out of it if you have to talk about it first. i.e. “will you let me do x, y, z?” Most important to a woman is trust in her partner, if she feels you aren’t out to dominate in a way that will cause emotional or physical harm (outside of erotic pain) she’ll be open to what you want, in fact that’s what will turn her on. Nothing hotter for a woman to know you are REALLY REALLY turned on by what you are doing to her. Nothing worse if he’s doing something for your pleasure alone and he’s not into it.

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  337. I wanna go back to some points Arpagus and Virgin40 raised, as well as a point Dave Alex raised a number of times in the forum.

    While being a virgin for a Woman may or may not be a big deal, for a Man it is a heavy cross to bear indeed. Again, I posit there’s an Evo-basis for this-Men are expected to do the heavy lifting in the bedroom; all a Woman has to do is lay on her back and spread her legs.

    So, in our time, when a guy is a virgin going into his 20s, its a signal of a whole host of things, all of which add up to the word LOSER, writ large. And he doesn’t have to advertise this, Women pick up on it. And of course, they tend not to be attracted to it, because no Woman wants a Man no other Woman doesn’t want.

    So yea, this is a major problem.

    And Mandy’s right, back in the day when a boy got a certain age, Pop would take him to the local Ho House and break him in. I personally think they did a great service, hence another reason why they should be legal.

    Of course, the downside is that it costs a nice sum to get your very first shot, as Arpie’s report clearly shows us. I don’t know about anyone else, but $230 is nothing to sneeze at for me, but when you’re all backed up w/no other option, you gotta pay to play.

    I’m a firm believer that if Arpie knew back then what he’s learned over the past few weeks, he’d have gotten laid sooner and a heck of a lot cheaper, too. Hence, my unabashed support of Game.

    Dave Alex argues that its not worth learning it because he’d have to put himself through too many changes to make it work. I think Arpie, who in many ways is a lot like Dave Alex, puts that lie to rest.

    Arpie didn’t have to spend a lot of money, buy a new wardrobe, get minor surgery, etc, to learn Game and reap a benefit. By simply following some very basic instructions I poiinted out to him, he got lucky by accident, lol. Sure, it was Fool’s Mate, but better that then nothing at all. Right?

    I’m sure Arpie would agree with that one.

    I don’t think Arpie spent more than what $25 for that book The Game? Compare that to the over $200 pricetag to get laid years ago. Its probably higher now. Which is cheaper?

    Once again, yet another ridiculous, bullshit excuse and idea of Dave Alex, surgically dismantled by yours truly.

    Arpie, I’m proud of ya, Man. Got some other things I wanna go over with you, I’ll probably get to that over the weekend, or maybe later today. Keep up the good work, and don’t stop watching and observing people!

    O

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  338. @ Obsidian

    Discussion-very, very careful discussion, of these issues is a must before anything jumps off.

    Hmm. Epoxy and I talked about this…or, well, we talked about talking about this, post-the-fact. It’s not…quite the same, if you have to set out rules and break it down before it happens (at least the first time). When it comes to boundary-pushing, well, yeah, I guess you talk about it in passing…but still, it’s not quite domination if it’s planned. There’s something to him just being the one in power — something to that dynamic that is completely different if you’ve had extensive discussion about it beforehand. That said, there obviously has to be a serious amount of trust and and comfort, and this:

    Both people have to be on the same page.

    Is certainly true. But it’s better if you just are on the same page, without having to explicitly go over it.

    You know. It’s just better if he can read my mind and know exactly what I want, haha.

    No, but really.

    That’s why we have game, right? 🙂

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  339. @firepower

    your poetic humor
    makes this board
    a better
    place

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  340. *typo, sorry–

    “…to that dynamic that is completely different than if you’ve had extensive discussion…”

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  341. @lilgirl

    Well we ARE on the same page foah shizzle! 🙂

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  342. LilGrl, Aoefe,
    You both make good points. The way I roll is I layout what I do and don’t do, find out what she’s all about, and go from there. I don’t ask questions in the way Aoefe illustrated above, and so on. But, however you do it, serious D/s stuff should be discussed first. I’ve seen a number of some seriously screwed up Women behind getting with guys who heads weren’t on straight. Not a pretty sight.

    O

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  343. @ Obsidian

    I’ve seen a number of some seriously screwed up Women behind getting with guys who heads weren’t on straight. Not a pretty sight.

    Okay, true story. I suppose the rest of the world can’t have a perfect relationship (haha). But SRSLY, I agree — you definitely need to be on the same page, and it’s not always plausible for a guy to just know how to read a woman, or for a woman to effectively communicate her desire for [insert D/s act here], consciously or subconsciously. So yeah, talking is a good idea if you can’t figure it out any other way.

    But in an ideal world, heh, well, we’d all just get each other. Okay, I guess we wouldn’t need game, then, either.

    Hmm.

    @ aoefe

    FO SHIZZ!

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  344. @obsidian

    ” But, however you do it, serious D/s stuff should be discussed first. I’ve seen a number of some seriously screwed up Women behind getting with guys who heads weren’t on straight.”

    Which I think brings us to Lilgirl’s and my point – trust is KEY! There are some pretty stupid chicks out there who will do anything anyone tells her to do in the name of D/s. My thoughts on that particular community are not pretty – in many ways it’s a bunch of losers/plain people who couldn’t get laid any other way. True story.

    I attempted to join a ‘subs’ group in my neighbouring city, thinking I’d learn. Ya…not. I was ostracized from the get go because I’m attractive and the women were worried I’d take their men. They were to the lot of them very unattractive (read obese) and had personality issues. It’s a very clique community apparently and very weird folk. Sorry to paint with such a broad brush, but that was what I found.

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  345. Yo–

    Ain’t it nice of me to let otha people comment in mah comment section?

    I done smacked you whi’ boys into lettin’ me run dis shit–pussies. no wunda whi’ girls be loving the black dick.

    Holla

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  346. One more thing on D/s. It’s too structured in the lifestyle community. It’s a list of would and wouldn’t do’s. It’s setting scenes/playing not genuine or natural. It’s negotiation…which…yuck. 😦

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  347. aoefe

    those fetish communities are all structured and phony
    because they are catering to female desires and not male.

    dominant males take, they don’t ask permission and they don’t even hear the words “no” and “stop”

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  348. I attempted to join a ’subs’ group in my neighbouring city, … the women were worried I’d take their men. They were to the lot of them very unattractive (read obese)

    Alas, it’s probably the same way at nudist clubs/beaches.

    Ya think you’ll play volleball with a bunch of giggling young naked women, and it turns out to be nothing but geriatric old fatties.

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  349. It’s funny how women can’t let go of how the man should be able to do the mind reading thing.”

    “My soulmate understands me and knows how much to beat me and where to beat me and how hard to of course spank me.”

    That would be a funny wanted ad. But the thought process, twisted still remains the same.

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  350. @dana

    “those fetish communities are all structured and phony
    because they are catering to female desires and not male.”

    Full agreement.

    Dana said: “dominant males take, they don’t ask permission and they don’t even hear the words “no” and “stop”

    Yum!

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  351. @pa

    “Alas, it’s probably the same way at nudist clubs/beaches. Ya think you’ll play volleball with a bunch of giggling young naked women, and it turns out to be nothing but geriatric old fatties.”

    Too funny! And I’m sure very true.

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  352. @aoefe
    “Which I think brings us to Lilgirl’s and my point – trust is KEY!”

    That reminds me – sorry about forgetting the safe word the other night. Hope you’re okay.

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  353. @keith

    “sorry about forgetting the safe word the other night. Hope you’re okay.”

    Still dreamin?

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  354. Obsidian pledged:

    So, coming this Fall, for sure: -The Blog.

    can’t wait to see your archive
    of Lola Falana jpgs

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  355. @aoefe
    “Still dreamin?”

    Of?

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  356. @keith

    “Of?”

    We both know you’re brighter than that.

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  357. It’s like at my gym. I’ll get into the sauna with a towel around my waist out of decent consideration for my fellow-fitness enthusiasts, and in comes some fat, disgusting heap of 65-year-old lard. With his disgusting little sausage on full display.

    Of course, it’s an all-male sauna, but just sayin, a younger and more fit guy would be easier to ignore. To wit, I took group showers in the Army — we all were young guys in Basic Training — so I’m trained in ignoring male nudity… as long as it’s not repulsively offensive to one’s sight due to age and fatness.

    Now, one time in Helsinki, I was staying in a hotel that had a coed sauna. Hehe, I thought, horny after 8 hours of wandering thoughts during my lone transatlantic flight (no travel companion). I’m gonna sit in a sauna with a Finnish hottie, both of us nekkid, and then things will develop like in an episode of Red Shoe Diaries, hehe.

    But again, reality intruded. The sauna was empty and cold.

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  358. @Kam

    “i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???”

    I prefer a woman who’s learned how to suppress her gag reflex. And I hate teeth scraping!

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  359. @aoefe

    “We both know you’re brighter than that.”

    Now you’re just trying to get me to like you.

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  360. Keith

    That reminds me – sorry about forgetting the safe word the other night. Hope you’re okay.

    for shame. whats so forgettable about “manoloblahnik” screeched in muffled pidgin thru a ballgag

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  361. @keith

    I don’t have to try hard.

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  362. To the virgins here, I don’t know how it is for guys, but for most of us women, we have more orgasms by ourselves than we do with men, and would prefer good masterbation to bad or mediocre sex with 9s and 10s who don’t know how to please us.

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  363. @firepower

    “for shame. whats so forgettable about “manoloblahnik” screeched in muffled pidgin thru a ballgag”

    OMG! You crack me up. Too funny.

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  364. on July 10, 2009 at 12:12 pm Willard Libby

    A-Bax – @ Obsidian, re HBD and right side of the bell-curve:

    I’ll only make two quick points, taking up your challenge as to why Sailer, et al. have ignored potential downsides of the right-side vis a vis game, and the possibility that too-much smarts can be detrimental to the pickup,…

    Steve Sailer probably has articles on this subject in his archives. Go search.

    I don’t know that Sailer ever claimed that math nerds should be expected to better with women than athletes. As humans we are risen Apes who evolved from an animal stock. We aren’t the children of Vulcans or some sort of higher intellectual beings from another world.

    I think it’s pretty common for many thinkers to discuss the different types of intelligence and note the math or science IQ is different from interpersonal IQ.

    The writing is out there is you actually want to find it. No need to pretend not to know that.

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  365. my wit is irresistible to women – that, and my Magic Penis

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  366. @FP-

    so in that link pic
    you are
    a tranny?

    magic penis
    cleverly
    hidden
    between two
    gorgeous legs

    also
    manoloblahnik
    probably the safe word
    for SJP and broderick
    but who is the top
    and who
    is the
    bottom?

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  367. @aoefe
    You’re so brave to actually go exploring the darker side of things. Too bad you didn’t like what you found 😦

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  368. 1. In my experience, this hot girl = dead fuck bullshit is just loser sour grapes.

    2. Actually, I can’t recall ever experiencing a “dead fuck”. Perhaps you fellas have small dicks.

    3. If you are a grown man reading a novel, and you haven’t already read The Brothers Karamazov, you are wasting your time. The same goes for watching TV and The Wire. Netflix is cheap.

    4. I had no idea sigma was in his 40s. He writes like a high school kid. With the career-track bitterness, I figured a socially underdeveloped mid-20s at the latest. How pathetic.

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  369. Picking up from my earlier HBD & Half Sigma related comments…

    Another major thing that greatly interests me about the HBD crowd, exemplified by Half Sigma to an extent, is that they don’t consider the other measures of man, so to speak-and Half Sigma himself is an excellent example of what I mean.

    So too is FeministX, whose blog I was reading this morning, and who reminds me of Half Sigma to this extent-that another dirty little secret among Right Enders is the fact that quite a few of their offspring never pan out-in fact, more often than not, they washout.

    Both FeministX and Half Sigma have all the bennies, tools, training and preparation, guidance, you name it, to succeed in life-they attended the best schools, came from solidly upper middle class homes, are connected to all the right people-

    And yet, they’re failures. Captial F.

    There’s really no other way to put it.

    At least FemX has a better attitude about things than her blog buddy.

    Which brings me back to that measure of the man piece: raw IQ alone, cannot assess such things, no matter how much its loudest cheerleaders may say otherwise. How many times have we seen the supposed Best & Brightest go on to commit crime and fraud, or do underhanded stuff, or are simply meanie SOBs like Half Sigma? Cmon folks, you know you’ve seen it, and more than any of us are willing to admit.
    Before any howling starts, lemme say again: I’m not saying that IQ, the SAT and so on aren’t important; they are. They just aren’t the end all, be all as to what makes one a success in life.

    And I for one reject the motivations the HBDers have in their current Jihad on the Left end of the Bell Curve. Its not honest inquiry, its self-serving agenda drive revenge.

    And I for one intend to do something about it.

    O

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  370. maurice

    @FP-

    so in that link pic
    you are
    a tranny?

    silly maury – just bc a guy likes pics of Hemi SuperBirds doesn’t mean he is one

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  371. it is widely known however that lilgrl is a senior Cisco sysadmin with hand pimples

    and

    aoefe is really a Vancouver Canuck forward with a love-hate relationship toward the Holy & Sanctified Red Wings

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  372. And yet, they’re failures.

    The thing is, they are only failures (I’m talking about Siggie, I don’t keep up with FemX) because that’s their attitude. Siggie is a lawyer who works in Manhattan. That’s pretty succesful by most people’s measures. If he fell short on the expectations he had grown up with… so what. 99% of us never grew up to be the astronauts we were gonna be.

    In many bitter/smart nerds’ psyches, it’s a feeling of betrayal when they realize that good grades in school without a corresponding measure of balls, brilliance, talent and charisma, will only get you as far as a middling desk job.

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  373. Willie,
    My point is that I don’t recall any of the HBDers focus any attention on the real downsides of being on the right end of the Bell Curve, and please do not try to argue there is no such thing because there are. Now, if you’re familiar w/such a blogger or source, could you kindly direct me to them? I’d love to read it. Thanks.

    O

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  374. The thing is, they are only failures (I’m talking about Siggie, I don’t keep up with FemX) because that’s their attitude. Siggie is a lawyer who works in Manhattan. That’s pretty succesful by most people’s measures. If he fell short on the expectations he had grown up with… so what. 99% of us never grew up to be the astronauts we were gonna be.

    In many bitter/smart nerds’ psyches, it’s a feeling of betrayal when they realize that good grades in school without a corresponding measure of balls, brilliance, talent and charisma, will only get you as far as a middling desk job.

    The problem is, failure is always relative. You’re totally right that he’s not a failure in big picture, but maybe among his peers growing up or among his classmates at law school he’s fared the worst. Or at least not as well as the people in his law school he felt he was smarter than.

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  375. maybe among his peers growing up or among his classmates at law school he’s fared the worst.

    I’m sympathetic to that, but bitterness doesn’t redeem him in any way, it just adds to his air of failure.

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  376. on July 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm At Home He's A Tourist

    In this weekend’s NY Times Magazine:

    PUBLIC DISPLAYS OF DISAFFECTION

    Why women care so much about the reaction of the betrayed political wife.

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  377. on July 10, 2009 at 1:08 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Both FeministX and Half Sigma have all the bennies, tools, training and preparation, guidance, you name it, to succeed in life-they attended the best schools, came from solidly upper middle class homes, are connected to all the right people-

    And yet, they’re failures. Captial F.

    Feministx is just a mid 20s girl.

    Besides, you have a problem with FemX and other HBDrs because you are uncomfortable with their fearless comments about your people. Let’s be clear that’s the reason.

    Before any howling starts, lemme say again: I’m not saying that IQ, the SAT and so on aren’t important; they are. They just aren’t the end all, be all as to what makes one a success in life.

    Since when did general American culture place a high value on high IQ and SAT scores?

    If anything America tends to worship idiots. It’s common for American men and especially women to UNDER play their intelligence and knowledge.

    President Jimmy Carter’s brother Billy was the brunt of jokes about how stereotypically dumb and Southern and backward he was. Billy the beer drinker. But the man was well read and had a huge personal library that he kept others from knowing about because he thought that would be alienating.

    He wanted friends, so he acted dumber than he really was.

    American pop culture and values represent an ongoing Holy War against intelligence, class and true talent.

    And I for one reject the motivations the HBDers have in their current Jihad on the Left end of the Bell Curve. Its not honest inquiry, its self-serving agenda drive revenge.

    Black male paranoia and insecurity, again. The Big Bad White Man is out to get the po lil colored boy.

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  378. @FP-

    silly rabbit
    tricks are
    for johns.

    yeah, i know – i was joking, trying, and failing, to emulate your inimitable style.

    /end experiment

    @obs- i think when you get to extreme levels of conventional IQ, which is tilted toward math and logic, you get a corresponding decrease in softer intelligence, especially emotional and social skills. it’s related to the idea that asperger’s syndrome, autism, etc are like extreme male brains: great with logic, patterns, spatial visualization, but weak on people, emotions, social clues. now those extreme cases wouldn’t apply to regular functioning people, but there’s a continuum and some of this kind of thing does seem to apply to math/engineering nerds. not always, but enough.

    maybe it’s also how personalities develop in childhood, or how they naturally are from birth. the relative absence of traits like aggression/initiative, persistence, etc. may have to do with low T, or they may be the way brainy kids are raised – staying away from competitive sports, always being told/reinforced how smart and special they are, etc.

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  379. maurice

    @FP-

    yeah, i know – i was joking, trying, and failing, to emulate your inimitable style.

    thanks – i’m flattered: it only makes finefantastic! want me more

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  380. on July 10, 2009 at 1:14 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Willie,
    My point is that I don’t recall any of the HBDers focus any attention on the real downsides of being on the right end of the Bell Curve,

    There will always be downsides to high intelligence in America, unless it helps you make money for yourself and others.

    and please do not try to argue there is no such thing because there are.

    Who in the world is arguing that high IQ nerds are partying like Hugh Hefner?

    Now, if you’re familiar w/such a blogger or source, could you kindly direct me to them? I’d love to read it. Thanks.

    Try Steve Sailer’s archives.

    Maybe not that many people write about the social downsides of high IQ because it’s too obvious.

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  381. @Auntyji:

    “To the virgins here, I don’t know how it is for guys, but for most of us women, we have more orgasms by ourselves than we do with men, and would prefer good masterbation to bad or mediocre sex with 9s and 10s who don’t know how to please us.”

    Speak for yourself, wtf, masturbation?

    @LadyRaine:

    “My ex just asked me again last night to marry him (even though we’re broken up obviously) and he said “I know you don’t want to sleep with the same person for the rest of your life, so it’s fine if you have boyfriends….I know that’s the only way you’d marry me.”

    CREEPER CREEPER CREEPER.

    Unless you’ve known him for a significantly long amount of time, get that person OUT OF YOUR LIFE.

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  382. I’m sympathetic to that, but bitterness doesn’t redeem him in any way, it just adds to his air of failure.

    Agreed.

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  383. Maybe the “vendetta” against the Left half of the bell curve will stop when they stop draining the Right half’s pockets, robbing them and killing them.

    That being said I’m not being original when i say to the right half , hey guys–just quit! walk away, expat to belize and take foreign wives. no one deserves the product of your minds or efforts.

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  384. The social downsides of high iq exist solely because of the sexual revolution. in the before time, in the long, long ago almost all males and females were able to acquire mates of their attractiveness level and social caste because all people were expected to marry with little or no tolerance for lifelong bachelors or spinsters.

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  385. on July 10, 2009 at 1:37 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD – @Auntyji: “To the virgins here, I don’t know how it is for guys, but for most of us women, we have more orgasms by ourselves than we do with men, and would prefer good masterbation to bad or mediocre sex with 9s and 10s who don’t know how to please us.”

    Speak for yourself, wtf, masturbation?

    Mandy you’ve been in love with your hair brush since you were 13.

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  386. @ Willard Libby

    I wasn’t saying that Sailer argued that nerdy guys should be/are as successful with the ladies as athletic guys. Rather, in attempting to answer Obsidian, I hypothesized that if there were a pretty lie out there that pick-up skills were evenly distributed (or distributed other than as they are in fact), Sailer would attempt to debunk it as swiftly and mercilessly as he does one of the most prevalent and pernicious pretty lies (that IQ, among a host of other traits, is evenly distributed among various sets of peoples).

    This was in response to O’s wondering why Sailer and others don’t bother much with the foibles and drawbacks of those on the right-side of the bell-curve, but instead focus primarily on the troubles of those on the left-side. My short answer: because society isn’t imposing massive lies about right-siders (e.g. my fictional/hypothetical example of nerdy-but-smooth PUAs), whereas society is imposing massive lies about left-siders (essentially: there is no left-side! Everyone’s equal!).

    Hope that clears things up.

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  387. on July 10, 2009 at 1:44 pm Willard Libby

    L.ady R.aine – First, Aoefe I have to say while I know you believe in men loving dominance in all places, I know plenty of men who like to be sexually dominated in the bedroom….and it’s usually not “wimpy” types, either.

    Tall Army guys are total punks that way.

    As for you guys discussing a man liking his woman to sleep with other men, it’s not that strange at all. My ex just asked me again last night to marry him (even though we’re broken up obviously) and he said “I know you don’t want to sleep with the same person for the rest of your life, so it’s fine if you have boyfriends….I know that’s the only way you’d marry me.”

    OK, now you have no way of denying the accusation that your ex is a total fucking beta. In fact that’s beyond beta.

    You just made roissy’s day.

    He’s right. There are more than a few “quality” men who don’t care if they know their woman is “seeing” other men or dating them.

    He’s wrong. They aren’t quality and they aren’t even men. That is shameful behavior. They are born male but never became men.

    However, I think it’s more common that the men don’t want to KNOW about it as opposed to being right there. Some men don’t mind sharing on the premise of “Even if I have to share you, at least I’m still with you.”

    That is pathetic.

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  388. on July 10, 2009 at 1:46 pm SmartyJones

    @ Mandy XD
    It’s obvious that Lady Mourning likes keeping the domicile around for practical useful purposes. I wouldn’t be surprised if on certain cold nights after he makes dinner, she lays down and allows him to lick her to satisfaction.

    The more you hear about this guy the more he sounds like a pet. Her latest “confession” about the guy makes him not just out to be a beta but a total sucker.
    Shoot, how much further can she throw him under the bus?

    And this guy is suppose to read this site? Wow, guess PT Barnum was right.

    Has anyone commented on how Lady Mourning has changed her pic profile to a more friendly, feminine photo? Personally I think she should use that third pic from her myspace. That cold hard look is more representative and revealing of her true self.

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  389. on July 10, 2009 at 1:46 pm Willard Libby

    A-Bax

    @ Willard Libby

    Yes, of course. I agree with what you are saying.

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  390. on July 10, 2009 at 1:48 pm SmartyJones

    @ Willard

    A+ on all counts. I will entertain a woman asking to tie me up thereupon I grab her, throw her on the bed and take what’s mine. That usually is the best way to end that conversation.

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  391. hmmm… dana hit on something that bothered me earlier wrt the expression “going galt” to describe beta withdrawal/dissatisfaction with the mating scene, a la Dave Alex.

    but that’s the opposite of galt’s gulch- it was the ALPHAS who withdrew their motive power from the world, leaving the betas in a collapsing society they couldn’t sustain themselves. (in that particular, catoonish world view.)

    the right hand of the bell curve (writ large – not just IQ but higher achieving traits/people across the board) are a reasonable proxy for alpha mating behavior.

    so what if the alphas of this country, instead of pump-and-dumping the 6-7-8s, simply… went on strike? a sort of reverse Lysistrata, punishing women for their perverse, unfair, and unsustainable behavior. roissy’s fantastical fembots could be involved, or foreign women/sex tourism to the likes of Belize, Philippines, wherever.

    what would the american women do? stock up on purple saguaros? turn to each other? anything but… have sex with betas. oh no. interesting hypothesis for the board; where would hypergamous women turn if there were no alpha males? no one of higher status/power?

    it’ll never happen, of course. men never (well, hardly ever) say no to sex, even when they should. but it’s fun to imagine. AND, it’s the proper analogy for the phrase “going galt” – pace church of dave alex.

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  392. maurice, how much of the rise in homosexuality=going galt for good looking men?

    think about it

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  393. “The social downsides of high iq exist solely because of the sexual revolution. in the before time, in the long, long ago almost all males and females were able to acquire mates of their attractiveness level and social caste because all people were expected to marry with little or no tolerance for lifelong bachelors or spinsters.”

    It is still like this in many, if not most, parts of the globe outside of the Americas and Western Europe.

    There is great comfort in being guaranteed a spouse from your family members. It has its drawbacks too, but many feel they are out-weighed by the benefits.

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  394. on July 10, 2009 at 1:59 pm Willard Libby

    dana – maurice, how much of the rise in homosexuality=going galt for good looking men?

    You mean guys becoming gay as a way of protesting against women, women’s power or sense of feminine entitlement?

    No fucking way. Maybe some women do that but no guy has ever been so resentful of women that he became a fag.

    Not possible.

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  395. @dana- hmm… i posted earlier that i think homosexuality is a bug, not a feature – a misdirected sex impulse because it does not lead to offspring. i also have a pet evo-psych theory about it as a form of narcissistic arrested development and redirection of emotions/sexual identity, based on a subconscious fear/incomprehension of the other sex. elsewhere, there was a discussion of the LUG phenomenon, which i barely knew about and still do not really understand. the upshot of that was that female sexuality/bisexuality is much more common, and malleable, than the male counterpart. i believe it was you that posted that link to the NYT article from January, no?

    your question seems to imply that men can *choose* to be sexually attracted to other men. that isn’t borne out by studies or experiment that i know of, despite tendentious homo propaganda to the contrary.

    that said, there are examples of buggery as social norm – ancient rome, berlin in the 20s, the british upper class at the height of *that* decadent empire, even the golden age of athens. all of which would seem to argue that male homosexuality is more socially conditionable than our current traiditonal culture allows for.

    but those seem to be the exceptions, not the rule, in history – in more stable societies not in a state of decadence or collapse, there are generally strong taboos against male homosexuality, far more so than the female version.

    with all that in mind, i’d say the rise in homosexuality has more to do with the individual-sexual-empowerment ideology of the 60s and the homo identity as an oppressed minority, and in a related way to the decadent state of our civilization, than with the “going galt” idea of consciously withdrawing from the sexual marketplace because of gross injustice.

    did i misunderstand your question??

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  396. @Joe

    A-Bax said Sailer and co. are doing what they do in response to pretty lies. I half-agree. They’re motivated by a pretty lie, but not the noble ones A-Bax claims. I think the main pretty lie they’re motivated by is the one O posts above, the one they got when they were kids growing up: that if you are smart with a high IQ and do great in school, the world opens up to you and is your oyster. At some point reality mugged them and life didn’t add up to the expectations and they never got over it. And they won’t rest until that pretty lie is proven true.

    I don’t agree at all. This reflects very little insight into Steve Sailer. He actually doesn’t write about IQ that much. He writes about quit a variety of things, massive illegal immigration most of all probably,but many other things. What unites what he writes about is that he goes about rooting out “pretty lies”, i.e. the untruths or half truths that official liberal ideology perpetuates or glosses over. He combines amazing insights and intuition, with than a tremendous ability to mine statistics and other information and find evidence. Actually what you’re saying about Steve Sailer strikes me as nothing more than a black man’s pissedness about him and his regularly brilliant insights, and a real reach. Weak.

    @A-Bax:

    I thought Pinker’s magnum opus was unparalleled, and have huge respeck for Razib Kahn, GNXP, 2Blowhards, agnostic, and others who write from an evo-psych, non-liberal viewpoint. (I found this blog via 2Blowhards, fwiw).

    Ditto on all points, esp. Razib/GNXP & 2Blowhards.

    I’ve never read any Half-Sigma, and you guys could be absolutely right that he’s bitter, or whatever.

    I haven’t read much. What I have read has almost never impressed me. There is a BIG chip on shoulder feel from it that’s very different from the ones you mentioned above, or Steve Sailer.

    I’m a big fan of Steve Sailer though, and will stand my ground with him. He doesn’t seem to me like he has an ax to grind against NAMs themselves, and doesn’t seem to have any real animus towards blacks or hispanics. From where I’m sitting, he reserves his animus for elite liberals and the media who promulgate race-fantasy thinking with an iron-fist in the velvet glove.

    I agree with all this.

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  397. on July 10, 2009 at 2:16 pm Jack Burton

    Obs,

    “Capital F” is a stretch. Sigma feels (and sounds) like more of a failure than he objectively is, because he is a lawyer (non-biglaw-partner) in NYC. In most of the US, that makes you solidly upper middle class, but not inside Wall Street’s gravity well.

    Femx is boring.

    Smart people may do bad things some times, but less often than other kinds of people, since for the most part they can succeed without assuming the risk associated with breaking the law. When they do bad things, it’s likely to be overreported, because it’s interesting (both because it’s man-bites-dog AND because of the Madoffian heights that brilliant sociopaths are capable of achieving) AND because of social taboos among reporters against covering, for example, yet another heinous murder by [the sort of people who tend to commit more than their share of heinous murders].

    Also, sigma is bitter because he’s not as smart as he thinks he is. That’s why he’s fun to read.

    Finally, read Steve Sailer. He’s not fighting a “jihad on the left end.” He definitely argues against importing more left-enders (which is prudent), but one of his main themes is that we need to make America more hospitable to the left-enders who are already here.

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  398. on July 10, 2009 at 2:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””aoefe
    @kam

    “i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???”

    I understand some men like it and if it’s accompanied by gag tears even hotter. If I had to guess I’d say it’s because it proves they’re BIG men.””””””””

    Yea every once in a while yea turn on and yea aoefe nailed it. Like to maybe see some puke to. Shows she is willing to do what it takes. That sometimes she is too into it against her own best interests he he he

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  399. on July 10, 2009 at 2:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””’on July 10, 2009 at 10:10 am LILGRL
    @ kam, aoefe

    “i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???” / “I understand some men like it and if it’s accompanied by gag tears even hotter. If I had to guess I’d say it’s because it proves they’re BIG men.”

    Heh. Yeah, it apparently is. My boyfriend adores tears accompanied by streaked mascara.

    True story.”””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Asian woman will do whatever it takes to make you the happiest man on the planet. Tear falls down cheek.

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  400. willard, not that “on purpose” and i’m not talking about the superhardcore no doubt straight man, i’m talking about the multitude of extra men in the world, second sons, men who may ride the fence but never be pushed over it in non-decadent times

    seems to me that several factors have come into play with the rise of homosexuality–first of course, way too many men, second hygiene

    after that came the normalization of anal sex in porn and the often multiple presence of shaved balls and ass on worked out gay looking males in straight porn

    add to that having to deal with women

    i think this is a factor–not being a man i will demur to any man that tells me regular men wouldn’t choose homosexuality out of visceral disgust for it no matter how attractive it becomes as a lifestyle choice.

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  401. Re: Half Sigma

    As I stated before, Half Sigma is high-IQ Jew who grew up in an working class Italian neighbourhood* on Staten Island. His dream has basically been to join the Jewish-WASP elite in New York, and his exclusion from it drives him crazy as he feels its his rightful place. Mind you, given his original plans for schooling (physics and chemistry at RPI), he may not have the inclination to be in the elite*, and would probably have been much happier if he stayed out of UPenn and law school (business school) and stuck with his original aspirations to be a scientist.
    Mind you, when he moderates comments and stays out of the HBD muck, his blog isn’t that bad. And allegedly, he finds high IQ black women attractive…

    *See David Alexander and his conflicting personalities over aspirations of being in the elite classes and his drive for the high IQ babies that will probably make his life miserable versus being happy with Athena and living a quiet suburban life peppered with railfan trips and three wonderful daughters.

    There is something to your brothel suggestion. I know it was traditional back in the day (and in Latin America, although I don’t know if it’s practiced anymore) for fathers to take their sons to initiate themselves into manhood at a brothel.

    My dad basically kicked my uncle’s ass when he found out that he took his nephew to a prostitute. Mind you, my dad was slightly more beta than my uncle…

    I understand some men like it and if it’s accompanied by gag tears even hotter. If I had to guess I’d say it’s because it proves they’re BIG men.

    I hate gagging. It completely destroys the sexual vibe, and distracts from seeing her pleasure at “cock worship”. It’s also why I’ve never been fond of face slapping or BDSM type porn.

    Re: Sailor

    I’ve generally found his blog to be rather depressing (along with Inductivist), and with the exception of Half Sigma, I’ve tried to stay out of the HBD end of pool since my dad passed away. If you’re not white or Asian, HBD is the most depressing topic possible, and with the exception of a few people in real life, it’s nearly impossible to talk about in the real world except in a very limited context.

    Dave Alex argues that its not worth learning it because he’d have to put himself through too many changes to make it work. I think Arpie, who in many ways is a lot like Dave Alex, puts that lie to rest.

    Hint: Arpie went out to place where women exist to meet women. David has *never* done that, and refuses attempts by non-date to go out to a club or bar with her to meet (other) women.

    Ya think you’ll play volleball with a bunch of giggling young naked women, and it turns out to be nothing but geriatric old fatties.

    One of the last adventures I had while cutting class a few years back, David went to Robert Moses State Park during an unusually warm January day, and walked along the beach where he stumbled upon hideous old men walking around naked…

    Siggie is a lawyer who works in Manhattan.

    IIRC, Half Sigma is living off some inheritance from his grandparents and some money he banked back when he was an programmer/IT wage slave, and capital gains.

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  402. on July 10, 2009 at 2:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’QFT.

    I believe there are men writing here who have relationships where they don’t feel emasculated in any part of their relationship (i.e. Epoxy) and domination would spill over into all aspects of their relationship.

    Yeah, and he loves it. Awesome relationships can even soften the toughest of alphas.”””””””””””

    So yea apparently you can even get a first gen asian chick and be cool. Good Lord.

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  403. @LR

    “I know plenty of men who like to be sexually dominated in the bedroom….and it’s usually not “wimpy” types, either.”

    I’m aware, haven’t lived in a bubble. I have said in other posts I was involved in an ltr with an established M.D., he it turned out was quite submissive sexually. The relationship ended for that reason alone (I ended it). My belief is the majority of men are wired to be dominant. Today’s society has simply confused what dominance is.

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  404. David, is Athena the same person as Non-Date, as well as the same chick whose pic you once showed here?

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  405. Jack Burton: Finally, read Steve Sailer. He’s not fighting a “jihad on the left end.” He definitely argues against importing more left-enders (which is prudent), but one of his main themes is that we need to make America more hospitable to the left-enders who are already here.

    This last point is especially important, and one that I think Obsidian conceded on (if memory serves). Both Sailer and Sowell have long argued that affirmative action, besides being “deontologically” distasteful (i.e., it violates principles of equal protection, colorblindness, and basic fairness) is also distasteful from a utilitarian point of view as it often has negative consequences for its *recipients* (I hesitate to say “beneficiaries”), as well as those, like Ricci, who are shafted by it.

    What are these negative consequences? Super-high drop out rates of NAMS at the high-end colleges and universities that they were unqualified for in the first place. Waste of precious time & money spending the 3 semesters or whatever at said schools before dropping out. Blow to self-confidence and resilience as a result of these bad experiences. Resentment of those who find (what seems like easy) success where they struggled mightily (e.g. Michelle Obama). Basically the “Yale or Jail” phenomena imposed on many NAMs by their condescending liberal betters.

    As Chris Wallace put it in one of his best peices “The streets is a short stop…either you slingin’ crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot”, describing the limited options for many in the ghetto. Well, affirmative action basically just adds “Yale” to that mix. Doesn’t actually increase the opportunities for someone who isn’t cut out to be a gangsta, isn’t good enough for pro sports, but also isn’t really smart enough to become a K Street lawyer or a Wall Street wizard. (Like Dukie, or a slightly less smart Dukie, maybe?)

    Sowell has longed argued that EVERYONE is better served by going to schools that are the appropriate level for them. Not just NAMs, but “legacy” and “student athlete” types as well. You’ll actually learn more, be happier with yourself, and ultimately be more productive.

    Sailer, along with Charles Murray (I think), has called for a revival of vocational/trade schools, which have sadly been looked down upon and marginalized by our mandarin upper-class elite. Not everyone is cut out to be a lawyer, banker, or physician, and we do ourselves no favors by pretending otherwise. (This isn’t just an affirmative-action thing either. Too many students across the board are encouraged to go to graduate school and beyond based on the pretty lie that it just takes hard work! You can do anything you put your mind to! Reach for the stars! Don’t settle!)

    Left-enders would be much, much better served by a system which recognizes their limitations, and encourages them to do well where they can do well, as opposed to forcing them out of their depth in the name of liberal sanctimony and SWPL intramural status-seeking.

    Peace.

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  406. LOL. You know you’re gettin’ to em when Dana and Willie get to tossing out Ad Homs and making ridiculous comments (again!).

    Dana, if anyone has reason to be hurt, robbed or killed, its me, not you. The vast majority of such things here in Philly happen a lot closer to where I live than you, and you know that. So, why the kneejerk need to say such things?

    Willie, I’m quite familiar w/Sailer’s work, and he hasn’t deal w/the real problems inherent in the right tailend of the Bell Curve.

    For example: no matter the cause or reason, the fact of the matter is that we now live in a Feminized World. A world attuned to the interests, sensibilities and so on, of Women-who approaches the world, let alone intimate relationships, in ways completely different than Men do-especially the Right Enders.

    For example, its been observed that Right Enders have a much tougher time reading social cues, observing social behavior that Women find pleasing, and so on. 50 years ago James Watson could be a cantankerous SOB, because he as also damned good at what he did. Today’s James Watson simply cannot exist.

    This is a serious problem, people-and I don’t see ANYBODY on the HBDosphere, taking it up. Not Razib, not Sailer, not Half Sigma, not FemX, not Murray, definitely not OneSTDV, none of em-simply put, a really smart, geeky guy is fast becoming obsolete. Simply having “hard skills”, is not enough.

    Now-what are we gonna do about this problem? We in the Game community have no doubt seen this trend already-how many bootcamps and seminars have been done, crammed to the rafters w/guys not from the firehouse or the factory floor or even from the corner, but from Silicon Valley, and highend BigLaw, and highpost surgeons, etc? How many?

    And how many of them will really be able to make use of all that sage training and advice-very expensive advice-that topflight PUAs dispense? Hmm?

    Question: do you think that such a state of affairs, could make these guys…angry? Angry enough, even, to do…something?

    Hmm?

    Contrary to Willies silly childhood taunt, I have no problem with the idea that Blacks may be inherently less intelligently as Whites-nor do I have a problem w/the prospect that the difference may be intractable, and immutable.

    The problem however, seems to be that no one on the HBD side is really willing to grapple w/the realworld implications of Right Enders unable to meet the demands of a Womencentric World.

    So, as I often ask-Why Can’t Johnny (& Chang) Get Laid?

    Its a question that hangs in the air, as the HBDers scramble around, continuing their assault on the Left Enders…

    O

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  407. on July 10, 2009 at 3:09 pm Willard Libby

    dana – willard, not that “on purpose” and i’m not talking about the superhardcore no doubt straight man,

    Nothing “superhardcore” about it. Just normal. Male sexuality is very simple. No faggoty stuff unless the guy is a homosexual or has been molested or raped.

    ….i think this is a factor–not being a man i will demur to any man that tells me regular men wouldn’t choose homosexuality out of visceral disgust for it no matter how attractive it becomes as a lifestyle choice.

    Trust me, it’s NOT possible.

    Don’t get your ideas about normal human sexuality from porn.

    I’m sure so called straight porn is full of guys who are bi-sexual. Including the camera men, writers and directors.

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  408. on July 10, 2009 at 3:15 pm SmartyJones

    I’ve yet to see one guy say he’s decided to give being homosexual a try. I’ve had homosexuals extend “offers” but never seen one acquaintance volunteer that they were going to give the other team a try.

    If it’s conditioning unlike women, men need to have the wiring complete early on, whether it’s due to child molestation, mom, what have you.

    Women on the other hand appear to have this grazing the field mentality especially in their early 20s. Not seen one guy admit to this yet.

    And I doubt it will ever happen.

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  409. epoxy–

    Given a choice between (a) commitment with a 9 of my dreams who is the living breathing manifestation of all my dark sexual fantasies and (b) an endless parade of normal sex with 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s, I’d take (a).

    As anyone with game (or even knowledge of game) knows, however, it still helps that girl (a) is fully aware that (b) is an option if she lets herself go or stops nurturing the relationship, sexually or otherwise.

    I hear you. However with respect to that option, one word, particularly in California:

    prenup

    As well, when I talked on other thread about the great majority of solid alphas not actually practicing complete monogamy, I was advocating either (a) anytime soon after falling deeply in love and moving in together, but rather years later or b) cheating.

    Long down the road some kind of limited open with serious rules and spousal veto power (mostly the rules amount to disclosure and the veto) is what I was talking about. As well not a side full bore love affair, but rather occasional just sex, or almost just sex, flings, if done with great discretion and in not too diverting a way.

    As for the prenup, no alimony under any circumstances, and assets divided according to who earned them. Maybe after a threshold if there are kids. Bear in mind though that child support for two kids alone will likely take 40-45% of the divorced man’s after tax earnings in a high tax state, regardless of what his ex wife does or could earn. This is so high that there are strong arguments for no threshold if child support is being paid, to even the score a bit from the state’s super female tilted extractions from divorced men.

    There is a significant loss in alpha power as soon as you get married anyway, or anyway not too long afterwards. There just is. Much less with some alphas and couples than others, but there is. If you don’t believe this you’re deluding yourself.

    A prenup will mitigate that somewhat. Otherwise your earning power which in the future will be more important than it is now, and perhaps very, if you do very well in that area, will be turned on its head and in many ways become hers in the marriage. Which ten years in will matter. Five years in it might very well matter also.

    I’ve been saying things like this (as has Roissy) for the last year and ahalf. It’s NOT at all targeted to the two of you. The opposite. But no one is immune from these forces. Those deeply in love often think they are however.

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  410. Correction

    I wasn’t advocating either (a) anytime soon after falling deeply in love and moving in together, but rather years later; or b) cheating.

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  411. For most women what turns them on is what turns their partner on or at least that’s the way it should be. I think all women should be open to exploration when and if their partners are directing it.

    Such a statement induces a “does not compute” thought in my mind. I have my varying fetishes, but they cause pain, some degree of body deterioration in the long and short term, some financial loss and for some public embarrassment, and I just couldn’t allow myself to demand that my partner do these things for me to placate me. If she wore nails, high heels, slutty clothes, and lots of make up before she met me, I’d understand, but I just couldn’t ask somebody to do that for me.

    But you’re just a mere submissive, so you’d never understand…

    There is nothing wrong with being into fetishes

    Besides telling me that I’m a charmless beta, that’s the other thing my mistress told me…

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  412. on July 10, 2009 at 3:23 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Willie, I’m quite familiar w/Sailer’s work, and he hasn’t deal w/the real problems inherent in the right tailend of the Bell Curve.

    How do you know? Have you read through his very extensive archives.

    …simply put, a really smart, geeky guy is fast becoming obsolete.

    Well I’m not a really a smart geeky guy so I don’t care about their problems. But I will say the main problem for American smart geeky guys is not their mythic lack of social skills it’s that smart, geeky guys in India and Asia are increasingly their competition for jobs and places at universities.

    Now-what are we gonna do about this problem?

    I’m going to ignore it just as I do most of the world’s “problems”.

    Question: do you think that such a state of affairs, could make these guys…angry? Angry enough, even, to do…something?

    Poor guys and dumb guys are probably more angry about their lot in life. They just are less likely to blog about it, obviously.

    The problem however, seems to be that no one on the HBD side is really willing to grapple w/the realworld implications of Right Enders unable to meet the demands of a Womencentric World.

    Right enders are doing better on average than the stereotypical left end primitives. The world is becoming more feminine and more conducive to the interests of beta nerds.

    It’s the old time macho guys that are being marginalized more often than not.

    So, as I often ask-Why Can’t Johnny (& Chang) Get Laid?

    Chang over in China is going to be in deep doo doo owing to the male/female birth disparity.

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  413. David, is Athena the same person as Non-Date, as well as the same chick whose pic you once showed here?

    Athena = non-date = white girl in the photo that everybody thought was ugly

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  414. He combines amazing insights and intuition, with than a tremendous ability to mine statistics and other information and find evidence. Actually what you’re saying about Steve Sailer strikes me as nothing more than a black man’s pissedness about him and his regularly brilliant insights, and a real reach. Weak.

    I never said he’s not brilliant, with amazing insights and intuition and an ability to mine statistics very well. All that is true. He’s smart as hell and a great writer. But I stand by what I say about his motives. And that has nothing to do with my “pissedness” about him, it’s just an observation. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. But pointing out how smart he is refutes none of that. He could be the smartest person on earth and it wouldn’t changed my mind about his motivations. I never doubted his intelligence in the first place.

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  415. Willie,
    Yes, I’ve read Sailer’s entire archive. I have it bookmarked on both my notebook and smartphone. Can you point me to the article where he takes up the issues I’ve discussed that I missed, please?

    That said, Sailer did tilt toward this issue. In his series of pieces called Is Love Colorblind, he noted that Asian Males were among the least to marry or even get laid, and they were quite angry about it.

    Put this w/the influx of Indians in largely the IT (read, extreme Right Ender) who are no longer seen as acceptable mate choices by today’s Westernized Indian Women, and again, we have to ask: Why Can’t Johnny, Chang and Sanjay, Get Laid?

    This is a problem that is on the horizon, Willie. You can run, but you can’t hide.

    O

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  416. Joe–

    He could be the smartest person on earth and it wouldn’t changed my mind about his motivations.

    It is quite clear if you read a lot of him with an open mind that his motivations are just as A-Bax stated, and not as you have.

    Bad motivations is what supports of the PC orthodoxy, whether they be lefties or blacks who aren’t so leftie in other respects, almost invariably charge against any who challenge it. The principal cudgle used against those who challenge the orthodoxy too much (other than in a lightly joking manner or around the edges a little) is that they are being immoral, in an essentially unforgivable way. The word that’s always lurking of course is “racist”.

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  417. Obsidian–

    Put this w/the influx of Indians in largely the IT (read, extreme Right Ender) who are no longer seen as acceptable mate choices by today’s Westernized Indian Women

    Wrong. Indian-American women overwhelmingly marry Indian-American men.

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  418. @A-Bax- i read a piece about something like that years ago, don’t remember where. it said that when the U.S. imported the higher-education system from Europe in the 19th c., it looked at the British and German models. The German model basically allowed teachers at the H.S. level to make recommendations to parents re the academic abilities and prospects for success of their children, and because it’s a high-respect-for-authority society, the parents generally went along. so middlelower end of the bell cruve kids went to vo-techs, apprenticeships, and the like. well, it was decided in this country that everyone can be above average, and that it wasn’t a high-school counselor’s role to tell the parents of Johnny tyhat he was never going to be a doctor. So we ended up with this combination of anglo primary and german higher education (i’m probably remembering some of this wrong) and the current education vacuum for the left-enders.

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  419. on July 10, 2009 at 3:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’on July 10, 2009 at 3:07 pm Obsidian
    LOL. You know you’re gettin’ to em when Dana and Willie get to tossing out Ad Homs and making ridiculous comments (again!). ”””””””””””’

    Yea get em obsid piss off whitie. That is your intention you said so. You are committing a hate crime like I said. It is not because you pissed off two people. It is because you pissed off two white people. So yea you are a racist nigger just like I called many moons ago. Your intent is to turn this into the all nigger channel all the time. You don’t see every post about hbd but you want every post to be hbd. You are grasping at straws anything to try to make blacks look better but as people can see even though they educate themselves they stay niggers. If it ain’t trying to kill white people it is trying to fuck with their websites.

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  420. Doug,
    I don’t deny what you’re saying there; however, you didn’t hear what I just said-I talked about Indian Males, coming straight from India-the H1Bs we’re increasingly relying upon-who more often than not are coming from their version of Silicon Valley to ours. These are generally seen as the “country bumpkin” type Indian guys, who lack the flair and panache of more Westernized Indian expats. In other words, Doug, they’re Indian geeks.

    And American-Indian Women by and large, don’t want that.

    Please trust me on this, I know personally, many such Women. One of whom I just spoke to today, about how Women like her will NOT allow their parents to fix them up w/Sanjay straight from Bangalore. Uh uh.

    There’s a very interesting article I read about this sometime back, I think it was called Sari And The City, or something like that. Check it out.

    Again: Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid???

    O

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  421. It is quite clear if you read a lot of him with an open mind that his motivations are just as A-Bax stated, and not as you have.

    So because I don’t agree with you, I haven’t read him with an open mind? I read a ton of his stuff with a very open mind and just came to a different conclusion than you did. Yeah, bad motivations motivate the left orthodoxy. I agree. Doesn’t mean similar bad motivations don’t motivate the HBD orthodoxy. That said, I think he’s a sharp thinker with very good insights that are needed to balance out a lot of the crap we get from the left. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a self-interested agenda, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I just disagree when people try to give it more noble, loftier motives than it deserves.

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  422. on July 10, 2009 at 3:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””’Again: Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid???”””””””””””

    Yea get em obsid piss off whitie. That is your intention you said so. You are committing a hate crime like I said. It is not because you pissed off two people. It is because you pissed off two white people. So yea you are a racist nigger just like I called many moons ago. Your intent is to turn this into the all nigger channel all the time. You don’t see every post about hbd but you want every post to be hbd. You are grasping at straws anything to try to make blacks look better but as people can see even though they educate themselves they stay niggers. If it ain’t trying to kill white people it is trying to fuck with their websites.

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  423. Joe,
    THANK YOU. In fact, I think the HBDers might even get somewhere if they simply came brutally clean w/their biases. I for one would be willing to hear them on that, and be more willing to consider their arguments. But when they try to present themselves as dispassionate arbiters of truth, everyone can see right through the bullshit.

    O

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  424. on July 10, 2009 at 3:52 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – we have to ask: Why Can’t Johnny, Chang and Sanjay, Get Laid?

    Why are you so fascinated with other men’s sexuality?

    This is a problem that is on the horizon, Willie. You can run, but you can’t hide.

    Why am I supposed to care about the sex lives of high IQ geeks?

    If you as a racially obsessed black male need to believe that high IQ White/Asian/Indian males can’t get a woman but black ghetto ‘tards can then good for you.

    The vast majority of high IQ guys will get good jobs and satisfying girlfriends/wives.

    But it’s not my concern one way or another.

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  425. on July 10, 2009 at 3:54 pm Sal Paradise

    Roissy. Keep spreading the word my man. Keep spreading the word.

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  426. @DA

    “But you’re just a mere submissive, so you’d never understand…”

    Your mistress is bang on about you, didn’t she call you a “charmless beta?”

    😉

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  427. @doug1: Word.

    @maurice: I think I’ve heard about what you describe. the German model v. the British. However, alot of this was changed in the early 20th century by philosopher / educationalist / progressive John Dewey:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey

    Now, it’s easy to hear *progressive* and get worked up about it, but bear in mind Dewey was trying to institute “hands on” things like, science classes actually have students perform experiments, etc. Dewey basically created what most of us, our parents, and even many grandparents went through when we completed K-12.

    But….in order to do this, he had to strongly de-emphasize vocational training (which for farm kids in the 19th century would start as soon as the kid could read & add), and instead focus on what we might today call critical thinking skills. Pendulums can always swing too far in the other direction though, and current progressives and liberals have taken Dewey’s ideas past their usefulness-point, in my view. “If a dash of Deweyism was helpful, shouldn’t a pound be even better?”, goes the thought process.

    Well, no, actually. Some people are better off only pursuing reading, math, (theoretical) science, history, etc. up to a certain (less than college, and perhaps less than HS senrior) point, and then switching to votech. Not only better off, but happier and more fulfilled, as well.

    This is a problem in and of itself. When you add blank-slatism and affirmative action to the mix, we get this putrid confection of pretty-lie pie.

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  428. Willie,
    I’m focused on it for the same reasons most other HBDers are focused on the Left Enders-because I want to hold up a mirror image to them so that we can see if their theory has any real validity or not. If, as they say, there are real differences in human ability based on biology and in this case, IQ, then clearly there are real questions to be asked about what the potential downsides are both tailends can be and most likely, will be.

    And I’m also interested because, unlike a James Watson of the past, who was tolerated for his meanstreak and brusque, near antisocial manner because he had the hard skills to match, in today’s world if he exists at all its behind the scenes where his antics won’t offend the sensibilities of the New Girl Order. These are guys who we literally depend on because they power our world-but they are increasingly being roundly rejected by Women enmasse because, put simply, they can. Read Roissy’s newest post.

    So, I think I’m on the right track to ask what can be the social implications when our Hi-Tech Worker Bee Class can’t get married, much less get laid, because Women aren’t basically forced to put up with their geeky ways.

    Its a real downside of being too smart in a Feminized World.

    So, you were saying?

    O

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  429. on July 10, 2009 at 4:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””on July 10, 2009 at 4:04 pm Obsidian
    Willie,
    I’m focused on it for the same reasons most other HBDers are focused on the Left Enders-because I want to hold up a mirror image to them so that we can see if their theory has any real validity or not. If, as they say, there are real differences in human ability based on biology and in this case, IQ, then clearly there are real questions to be asked about what the potential downsides are both tailends can be and most likely, will be.

    And I’m also interested because, unlike a James Watson of the past, who was tolerated for his meanstreak and brusque, near antisocial manner because he had the hard skills to match, in today’s world if he exists at all its behind the scenes where his antics won’t offend the sensibilities of the New Girl Order. These are guys who we literally depend on because they power our world-but they are increasingly being roundly rejected by Women enmasse because, put simply, they can. Read Roissy’s newest post.

    So, I think I’m on the right track to ask what can be the social implications when our Hi-Tech Worker Bee Class can’t get married, much less get laid, because Women aren’t basically forced to put up with their geeky ways.

    Its a real downside of being too smart in a Feminized World.

    So, you were saying?

    O”””””””””’

    No its because you are a racist nigger. I don’t go to hbd sites to learn about how niggers are inferior. I lived life and understood that. I don’t need to learn about it. I come to this site to hopefully see some things about woman. You come to this site to make it all about niggers every single post. This is not an hbd site.

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  430. Obsidian–

    But when they try to present themselves as dispassionate arbiters of truth, everyone can see right through the bullshit.

    The opposite. Lots and lots of people, an increasing groundswell, mostly still underground / anonymous, can see the extensive truth of what Steve Sailer and others in the realist and killing off the pretty lies of PC camp are saying.

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  431. willard,

    i accept what you say without reservation–just to clarify because in the interest of brevity i keep trying to cut my posts short: my theory is that the introduction of the homoerotic and “perverted” into STRAIGHT porn can lower the barriers to gay arousal in a era when hygeine is very high.

    specifically–it seems to me that if a man is continually visually aroused by two soft, smooth shaven pretty MEN and one woman, he will still get the boner one day WITHOUT the woman showing up in the scene–which leads to openness to homosexuality

    again, im sure i’m wrong and bow to your experience as a man

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  432. on July 10, 2009 at 4:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Because of you know I know when I see an educated black who is also a nigger. I walked into work (everyone understands I am the only white in operations where I work) and I have a stars and stripes laid out on my computer with the title “extremists in the ranks” and all it talks about is white guys on internet sites. Then when they talk about the recent killing by the services personnal they don’t mention race at all but whites are mentioned about 30 times before that. Well I think we know of one infamous marine killing where 3 niggers killed a white guy who was married to a black girl. Yea that was not mentioned in the article. Only come crap about white who even when they recognize a dangerous nigger do not kill him.

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  433. on July 10, 2009 at 4:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think you are right dana when men are not brainwashed into thinking gay is so wrong why not be gay. When it is all harridens who act like men to choose from why not go for actual men.

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  434. Gunny…such a low blow! Mustve really struck a raw nerve, hmm?

    My point had nothing at all to do w/Black folks. Didn’t even challenge the HBD points made wrt them, either. My point was to turn the microscope around, and pose some hard questions on the other tailend of the Curve, much like we did w/the Hot Babe thread? And no matter how much you or anyone else wants to gnash their teeth, when you put the facts that I’ve laid down along w/Roissy’s latest post, it gets really hard to duck and dodge anymore. Sooner or later, we’re gonna have to deal w/the implications of the downsides of being born on the Right End of the Bell Curve, in the New Grrrl Order.
    Simple as that.

    Doug,
    I never said that the aforementioned HBDers didn’t have anything to offer; what both Joe and I are questioning, are their motives. And the fact that NONE of them discuss that I’m taking up now does raise a question mark over my head. Too bad it doesn’t do so over yours.

    Checkout that article and holla back

    O

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  435. on July 10, 2009 at 4:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea obsid you did strike a nerve if I wanted to hear about black people all the time I could go to almost any black persons blog and see black black black over and over and over. Just like when I went to t aka ricky raws site I just felt bad for the dude he was so caught up with everything being about black. So far every black persons website I see it is always bam right away you got to know they are black.

    It wasn’t a low blow it is the truth you are here to piss off white people and make this site all about blackness.

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  436. on July 10, 2009 at 4:24 pm Willard Libby

    dana – specifically–it seems to me that if a man is continually visually aroused by two soft, smooth shaven pretty MEN and one woman, he will still get the boner one day WITHOUT the woman showing up in the scene–which leads to openness to homosexuality

    I think what you are seeing might just be the disproportionate presence of male homosexuals/bisexuals in the making and consuming of pornography.

    For me the presence of other males in no way helps me appreciate a woman’s sexuality and beauty.

    I would never even go to a strip club for that reason alone.

    Why would I want to see sexy women dancing while I’m surrounded by other guys?

    It’s gross. But plenty of guys love it. I don’t relate to it at all but they’re are a lot of males interested in various forms of “male bonding” even though they aren’t gay.

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  437. on July 10, 2009 at 4:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    Of course you also have been including everyone who is not black so yea black supremacist.

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  438. Obsidian

    when you put the facts that I’ve laid down along w/Roissy’s latest post,

    What facts?

    You hardly ever lay down any facts.

    Just your speculations, anecdotes which may or may not be true or exaggerated, claims and rumors.

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  439. Dana – the slippery slope from not being grossed out by watching two dudes bang a slut in a porno to being turned on by it to….removing the chick entirely and still being turned on, to being experimental with gay sex doesn’t work.

    It just doesn’t. Men are wired differently, and are not nearly as malleable as women. The point in my above paragraph where the ellipses occur is where no straight man can stay on board. Note, I say can stay on board.

    I’m sure David Alexander can attest – no amount of frustration with real-life women can turn a naturally straight man into bi-curious. That shit’s either there or it isn’t with men, and most of us figure it out by puberty.

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  440. on July 10, 2009 at 4:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea the paper was put on my desk by the new black guy that came in.

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  441. on July 10, 2009 at 4:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course I had to call him out on that shit. He didn’t have much to say. I guess not used to a white boy speaking out.

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  442. Gunny,
    I chuckle when I read you and Doug’s charges of “Black supremacy” in my part. There’s nothing to support the charge, one, and two, I’m not dealing w/Black folks in this thread, I’m dealing w/people who are quite prevelant on the Right End of the Bell Curve-and as we all know, aint many Black folk there, right?

    Now then-let’s try this again:

    Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid?

    Hmm?

    O

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  443. obsidian:

    i wrote–“Maybe the “vendetta” against the Left half of the bell curve will stop when they stop draining the Right half’s pockets, robbing them and killing them.

    That being said I’m not being original when i say to the right half , hey guys–just quit! walk away, expat to belize and take foreign wives. no one deserves the product of your minds or efforts.”

    you replied–“LOL. You know you’re gettin’ to em when Dana and Willie get to tossing out Ad Homs and making ridiculous comments (again!).

    Dana, if anyone has reason to be hurt, robbed or killed, its me, not you. The vast majority of such things here in Philly happen a lot closer to where I live than you, and you know that. So, why the kneejerk need to say such things?”

    1st–i will explain to you again that an ad hominem argument is a personal insult offered as a refutation of someone argument, i.e. Obs “2+2=4” Dana “no it’s not because blacks are stupid”

    please point out the ad hominem argument i used–are you on the left half of the bell curve? you are an illogical sophist at best, but you certainly don’t appear to have a low iq.

    2nd–you asked why the right half has some “vendetta” and i responded with crime and draining of wealth to social services” this is not a ridiculous argument, this is the reason.

    do you believe higher iq people who are robbed, killed and overtaxed care whether or not you are more likely to be victimized than they are? they work very very hard to get AWAY from where low iq NAMS & whites are specifically to not be victimized, only to have to pay exorbitant taxes to have to subsidize every leftist boondoggle that does nothing but breed more low iq criminals, babymakers and moneysinks.

    it is NOT a kneejerk reaction, its the truth

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  444. on July 10, 2009 at 4:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    Except I have noticed when fucking a woman in the ass that it tends to get loose whereas the pussy is a muscle that they can use to make sex better. Hence woman kind of being better at that particular facet of life.

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  445. A bax, i’m happy to be wrong, just wanted to be sure my argument was understood before disagreed with

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  446. on July 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Obsidian
    Gunny,
    I chuckle when I read you and Doug’s charges of “Black supremacy” in my part. There’s nothing to support the charge, one, and two, I’m not dealing w/Black folks in this thread, I’m dealing w/people who are quite prevelant on the Right End of the Bell Curve-and as we all know, aint many Black folk there, right?

    Now then-let’s try this again:

    Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid?

    Hmm?

    O”””””””””””””””””’

    You are here to piss whitey off. That is your intent. You said so. You are not initially here to learn about things or pick up woman. Then after that somehow you inate nigger comes spewing out. You are here to try and insure that every thread is overcome by niggerdom.

    This is where you can’t see the light. I have said before there are a lot of black people on this site. You are one of a few niggers that can’t comprehend the difference. You are so nigger that you can’t see the regular black folks.

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  447. on July 10, 2009 at 4:37 pm Jack Burton

    Obs,

    Johnny et al. can’t get laid because they’re nerds, obviously. Why is that an interesting question? Is there anything particularly surprising about nerds not getting laid?

    Sailer is a middle-aged, long-married guy, so issues of sex and dating are not in his field of view. But faulting him for that is like faulting Beethoven for not being Michelangelo.

    Are you looking for an admission that high IQ people are not superior in every way? Nobody ever said that, least of all Steve Sailer. He’s posted a lot on olympic track events, for one thing.

    He’s also posted on the dysgenic consequences of current fertility trends.

    Razib may not talk about the not-getting-laid angle, but his blog embodies it. The mouth breathing on the gnxp comments whenever the genetics of female hotness comes up is hysterical.

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  448. Dana,
    I don’t know if you’re aware of it or not, but a little while back, about a few years ago, the Phila Daily News offered a color coded map of the entire city of Phila and its surrounding burbs, so as to show the readers what areas had the most crime, including murder/homicide.

    Although there were pockets of homicides and the like occuring in virtually all the Black areas, thee number one area highlighted the most was in North Philly, east of Broad St where much of the city’s Hispanic population lived, and within a five block radius. Now I haven’t seen an updated map of the city, but if I were a betting Man, I’d lay good odds that Overbrook Farms aint well represented in the city’s crime rate.

    So, we were discussing the fundamental question: Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid?

    Hmm?

    O

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  449. on July 10, 2009 at 4:39 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Willie, I’m focused on it for the same reasons most other HBDers are focused on the Left Enders-because I want to hold up a mirror image to them so that we can see if their theory has any real validity or not. If, as they say, there are real differences in human ability based on biology and in this case, IQ, then clearly there are real questions to be asked about what the potential downsides are both tailends can be and most likely, will be.

    Wonderful, but your starting point that high IQ guys are more sexually frustrated than low IQ dummies doesn’t have much basis in fact.

    As I said the low IQers are just less likely to blog about their frustrations.

    And I’m also interested because, unlike a James Watson of the past, who was tolerated for his meanstreak and brusque, near antisocial manner because he had the hard skills to match, in today’s world if he exists at all its behind the scenes where his antics won’t offend the sensibilities of the New Girl Order.

    And Larry Summers of Harvard. But Obama’s team brought him in despite the fact the he is one of the great hate objects of the feminists.

    These are guys who we literally depend on because they power our world-but they are increasingly being roundly rejected by Women enmasse because, put simply, they can.

    But all they need to do is find ONE smart girl, marry her and have babies.

    They really don’t need to work Game in the clubs to prove themselves to anyone.

    So, I think I’m on the right track to ask what can be the social implications when our Hi-Tech Worker Bee Class can’t get married, much less get laid, because Women aren’t basically forced to put up with their geeky ways.

    Plenty of these guys are getting married and reproducing. And with high IQ girls who want nothing to do with you or guys like you.

    Yes, many of these girls probably are Asian.

    Its a real downside of being too smart in a Feminized World.

    Not really because feminism has contributed to giving women the opportunity to go out and get college degrees and show their intellectual talents AND meet like minded men in the academic and work environment.

    Many of these women will then find high IQ men who might be classified as geeks or nerds but who these women find to be compatible with them.

    So, you were saying?

    I was saying I really don’t care about the sex lives of high IQ geeks or low IQ knuckle draggers.

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  450. obsidian, do you read one word anyone else types? just curious

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  451. on July 10, 2009 at 4:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””So, we were discussing the fundamental question: Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid?

    Hmm?

    O”””””””’

    And I have said the truth before they could all get laid if they walked into an all black club. You would not answer that though. Of course if they make money they can also get another woman as well. But to get laid in a all black club they wouldn’t have to do anything.

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  452. @dana- btw, what’s up with the gay porn obsession? iirc that followed my “going galt” proposed correction and seemed like a non-sequitur to me at the time.

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  453. Obsidian & Joe:

    I’m not going to speak to the motives of Sailer and other when they write HDB stuff (which, for Sailer at least, is only one of his many, many interests). I come to a different conclusion than you guys as far as his motives go. That’s fine.

    However, O’s repeated hammering of the question: “Why can’t Johnny, Chang, and Sanjay get laid?” (while an interesting one and perhaps one that will dominate O’s up-and-coming blog), is not one that I think Sailer, at least, is *ducking*.

    From what I can tell, Sailer is not writing about HBD because he’s doing a treatise on the Bell Curve, With Exploration Of The Benefits And Drawbacks Of Those Who Lie Among All Its Many And Varying Points. He writes about HBD because it’s a great vehicle whereby he can debunk the pretty lie of blank-slatism. A pretty lie that is espoused by the elite, has wound its way into our law, and sullies the national character and discourse. There are other ways he goes about attacking these shibboleths, in addition to HBD exploration. (E.g., he was very hard on the GOP and Bush II in particular for their role in the housing bubble).

    Your question of why nerdy guys of varying races/ethnicities is perhaps a fertile one, but not one that Sailer is *required* to answer in virtue of his interest in HDB. An interest which, again, from where I’m sitting is mainly for the sake of attacking liberal nonsense.

    He’s not being evasive.

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  454. no no no not an obsession, and i was talking about straight porn. i was trying to explain why i thought more marginal men MIGHT for opt for homosexuality today in a marital strike kind of way. the responses indicated i wasn’t making myself clear what i meant.

    i used to work at a hipster/gay oriented video store in philly and developed a lot of theories about what happened to the straight wall of the porn room after it got a gay buyer and the effect that might have on male sexuality

    it is not remotely important.

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  455. @LR

    I’ll address your statements individually.

    “I just wondered why you’d say males are “supposed to like being dominantly sexually” as well.”

    I don’t think they’re ‘supposed ‘ to be, I feel like that’s the majority preference.

    LR saig: “I agree most men would prefer to be dominant in life in general, but dominant people in general often like to let loose sexually and turn the tables. .”

    I don’t think dominant men in general want the tables turned, I think its a particular wiring some men have. It’s a mistaken belief that those in charge want not to be in the bedroom.

    LR – “I just never realized that there’s women who openly “dislike” a man who can flip roles sexually like the MD you mentioned”

    I’ve never said I disliked him, breaking up with him had to do with my own sexual preferenes, in other ways he was a fantastic man.

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  456. specifically–it seems to me that if a man is continually visually aroused by two soft, smooth shaven pretty MEN and one woman, he will still get the boner one day WITHOUT the woman showing up in the scene–which leads to openness to homosexuality

    Dana, this is completely ludicrous. The men in pornography are mere stand-ins for the male viewer, not sex objects. They are not pretty and no amount of shaving or hygiene will make them desirable unless you are gay, which is determined long before men start viewing porn, possibly in the womb if not at conception. Also, there has been no rise in homosexuality. More gays have come out of the closet, but there are have not been made any more of them and there are no signs of that happening. I have felt no less viscerally disgusted at the idea of gay sex after years of involuntary celibacy and neither have I seen any man consider homosexuality a solution to difficulties with women. It is not a choice and there are very few bisexual men. The men “on the fence” you imagine do not exist. Men are either gay or straight and don’t change.

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  457. arpagus i have said 3 times now i’m not married to the theory and that i bow to the males in the room if they say i’m wrong, what else do you want?

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  458. Dana,
    I’ve answered your question-that in the end, according to the Phila Daily News, the singlebiggest victions of violent Black crime, are other Black people. Sorry if that confuses you with the facts. *shrugs*

    Willie,
    I think you should read Sailer’s Is Love Colorblind, since you suggested I read him, lol. In it he clearly laysout the fact that Asian Males are pissed that Asian females, exercising their freedom of choice in the New Grrl Order, are in fact choosing White Males over them-and because White, Hispanic and Black Females ain’t too crazy about Asian Males as mates for the most part, that leaves a lot of lonely, frustrated and *angry* Asian Males out in Silicon Valley.

    Again, Sailer lays this all out.

    What Sailer seems to miss, but which Roissy seems to come a bit closer to, is that many of these Asian guys will NOT be seen as attractive mate material by just not their own Asian female counterparts, but by other Women as well, due to a number of factors. At least some of them having to do w/the downsides of being born on the Right End of the Bell Curve.

    The same thing can be said about India, where arranged marriage was a staple of their society for centuries. Emphasis on the word “was”-because today’s Americanized Indian Woman simply will not allow her parents to hook her up w/the good Indian boy from Chennai who went to Aryabhatta U and works in IT. He’s “country”, geeky, has broken English and in a word, simply not “hot”. As Doug noted, Indians still do marry largely each other, but there’s a very important caveat-Americanized Indian Women, one, doesn’t want Mom, Dad or “Auntie” hooking them up w/any countrified Indian guys from the Old Country; and two, wants the smooth, slick, hot Indian American MBA, or Doctor. Sanjay the IT from Chennai need not apply.

    Yet he’s here, working for Google, or Microsoft, let’s say. Where does he go? Back to India, you ask? Sure-where, like China, they too are facing a real shortage of marriageable Women, due in part to selective abortion policies that favored boys over girls. Hmm.

    Nature may be a Bitch, but she’s fair. And like Roissy says in the other post, maybe the herd may need to be culled a bit.

    In ways we never thought could happen, it seems.

    O

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  459. on July 10, 2009 at 4:59 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Pupu, what’s your method of analysis?

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  460. @a-bax/joe/obs- i think obs’s question has been answered 4 or 5 different ways. someone pointed out (maybe a-bax) that game is much harder to measure than quantitative IQ data. it’s useful to think about – i gave a few stabs at an answer – but obs, you can’t complain that it’s being ignored here, at least in the last few days.

    @dana- ok, partially understood. i guess a different clientele came in under the new ownership?

    you didn’t respond to my long post on your homo question, which means that i did in fact misunderstand that question. it did get me thinking about why buggery became rampant in certain historical societies in states of crisis or decay. don’t really know the answer.

    still waiting for more tales of your misspent youth and how it turned you into such a badass INTJ sharpie…

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  461. And Auntiji is white girl – Roissy exposed by IP address.

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  462. on July 10, 2009 at 5:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    But I did an unusually long post for me and man I think some good words. Plus an example of how you don’t have to put any race into a post at all (black white whatever)

    ””””””””””Gunslingergregi
    Allright virgin check this out (idea for a try),

    I do have a regret I never told my 1st ten that I loved her.
    Even though she told me I was the type of man she could fall in love with I didn’t reciprocate the words.

    Rent the presidential sweet of a hotel in your area (you do this by also explaining your intention for the night and the romance of it all they will probably give you a steep discount like if it is 4k you will get it for 1k or if not enough loot go for their second best sweet ask to see the rooms before committing make sure it is nice check multiple hotels got to use some game to get them to give you best possible price may also have to let them pick the day when their might be a party only in the morning for the pres sweet but you will be renting it for night now the people with party might have already paid for the night but the hotel gets to double dip. Say party reception finishes 4 or so still time to bust your move and go out or they might blow your mind with a steep discount offer what you want to pay they will work with you then move on to next one and do same thing to get best value) go in there the the morning of and take some bags of rose petals ((((((to get bags of rose petals you go to flower shops that have females that are runing the shop let them know exactly what your plan is to do with these flowers then you might just pick up a couple numbers and they just might start tearing off the petals from the regular roses not just what dropped off while there heart is melting and they wish they where the one some guy was doing this for.)))))) with you write:

    I am the only man who for life will love you. (this is true right?)

    Trail the words on into the bedroom with the love you on the bed. Take some bouquets of flowers spread that around the room. Get some champaine on ice. With a couple glasses. Set up about 30 to 40 of those floating candles. Grab some sweet smelling incense. Have someone from the hotel on your command from your message on the mobile to go in and light the candeles/incense and pop the champaine on ice. Grab a selection of songs you two like and loop that bad boy for when you walk in.

    Now before you hit the hotel room with her you got to make reservations somewhere nice to eat in the same hotel. Grab a suit with pocket square (copyright g man) right. Eat good. Then hit the room.

    Of course you want to introduce yourself to the staff pass 20 dollars each to the people you talk to. When you make reservations for the room. The concierge person who will light the candles. When making reservation at the resteraunt talk to the chef to make something with some fire on it or maybe one of his specialties. Pre order a couple little things so they are just brought out for you without you having to ask for anything. Or I suppose if they think they are really fancy it will allready be automatic with maybe a 4 course meal. When making the plans to have the violinist play at your table for an hour or so. The point is when you walk in they will be chanting your name that is a good thing.

    Now you just have to come up with loot and an excuse for her to go with you alone. At least maybe give it a shot. She might say no she might say yes who knows.

    Just let her know at the hotel how you feel about her whats to lose. Let her know you will always be there for her (if that is what you mean) not for just one night of sex but for her whole life and that it is more meaningfull to have sex with you since you truley love her.

    Then if she says no you got the room and go ahead and call for the escort. So either way it will be one memorable fucking night.

    So yea with the I am getting laid today either way on your mind it should take some pressure off in dealing with your ten. Let her know all the shit you have been thinking. Plus let her know if she says no you will be doing a escort lol At you guys age it might work to blindside her with her own inner dream.

    Good Luck! if that is your thing or even doable.

    For this night you will consider yourself a super alpha so that all the romance type stuff is ok he he he””””””’

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  463. on July 10, 2009 at 5:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    So without those 830 words then my count is 1961 puts me more in line with the mean.

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  464. maurice–if we could speak one on one in person for 100 hours i could adequately explain what i was trying to get across about homosexuality and decadence, but the internet doesnt allow for that so i will just drop it

    here’s a comment i made on this site before about some of my past:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/the-love-test-a-routine/#comment-87615

    kamal and PA responded

    in short i was a jewish siouxsie clone that ran around with a bunch of skinheads whom i probably could have led into battle. on a fun note, my first BF was rodney anonymous from the dead milkmen when i was 14/15 and he was 20, right around the time big lizard in my back yard was being recorded

    i was raised by wild folkies and beatniks and got some VERY bad advice on being a girl lol

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  465. on July 10, 2009 at 5:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    Naa dana that is the funny part skinheads obviously cannot be lead into battle or you would be seeing some serious shit going down.

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  466. @dana- Hot. and, Cool. my only experience in philly was much later, and basically confined to the Penn campus and environs. a very different kind of jewish-female environment: JAP city. I like the city but don’t know it well. i get there from time to time, around once a year, so maybe i’ll take you up on that some time.

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  467. on July 10, 2009 at 5:17 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Nature may be a Bitch, but she’s fair. And like Roissy says in the other post, maybe the herd may need to be culled a bit.

    I don’t think nature is “fair” and if the high IQ guys are being reproductively “culled” that just means the high IQ guys in future generations will be more valuable which will mean financial and reproductive advantage.

    aoefe

    And Auntiji is white girl – Roissy exposed by IP address.

    Auntji/White Girl is a bitter black female. That’s my guess.

    Auntyji – Another commenter says African American women are doing it to.

    Besides, these Island men are obviously enjoying themselves by the looks of it in these videos.

    So what are you waiting for? Afraid the jungle boys are going to reject your bitter black bitch ass for an old White heifer?

    ….but (White people) are still not comfortable living next door to African Americans, and if they are over the age of 65, they absolutely DO NOT want black neighbors.

    Sad but true.

    Awwwwwwwwwww. That is sad. Does darkie feel rejected?

    Why do you want to live next to White racists?

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  468. Willard

    as someone who sells real estate part time i can tell you without hesitation that ALL white people want is to get away from black people.

    i had one guy tell me ” i’m a socialworker, i work with “them” all day–i don’t want to live anywhere near them” point blank

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  469. ABax, Maurice,
    On this blog alone there has been intense focus on Third World Immigration, w/much handwringing by both the host and the members, as to the why’s and wherefores of it. Yet, when the discussion turns to the problems that could accrue from High IQ Immigration, there is only a forced recognition as a result of being strongarmed.

    Yet, per Sailer, we know that there are quite a few pissed off Asian guys, who are clear losers in the Game of Love. And soon they’ll be joined by their Indian counterparts.

    Yet, when it comes to this kind of immigration, we honestly do not see any problems here. Recently OneSTDV blogged on this very subject, and when I pointed out the potential downside as I’ve done here, he said he never thought of it.

    I’m suggesting that there are some real blindspots in the thinking when it comes to the Right Enders. The sheer amount of safe assumptions are astounding, and just goes to show how much such folk are really out of touch with th real world. Which I notice, tends to happen quite a bit among that set.

    Oh, and in case Willie is reading along, he should go back and review what Roissy said on his newest post: he said THE AVERAGE WOMAN now can make sexual choices free from any restraint, rebuke or consequence. This isn’t confined just to the bars and clubs, y’all, and as White Marital rates show, they’re falling, and not necessarily by the guys’ choice.

    And let’s get serious-whos more important to society, Larry Summers, or James Watson? To ask the question is to answer it, and the harsh truth is, that the present day Watsons are at best shunned, if not vilified, in the dating and sexual marketplace, because Women now have unfettered Choice, accross the board. That’s a fact, again, check in w/Roissy’s post.

    I submit that this is as serious a problem as the focus on the Left End of the Bell Curve, and for much of the same reasons-both real and ideological.

    Ironic that a guy like me can see it but the supposed Best & Brightest can’t.

    Or won’t.

    Natures a Bitch…but she’s Fair.

    O

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  470. @pupu

    I love analysis – keep it coming.

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  471. on July 10, 2009 at 5:30 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Obs

    I’m suggesting that there are some real blindspots in the thinking when it comes to the Right Enders. The sheer amount of safe assumptions are astounding, and just goes to show how much such folk are really out of touch with th real world. Which I notice, tends to happen quite a bit among that set.

    Ignoring your cute little jab at the end – such a clever boy – would you care to actual mention these blind spots and safe assumptions or would you like to stick with innuendo?

    People have laid out pretty clearly what the downside of low IQ immigration is. Would you be so kind as to do the same for high IQ immigration?

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  472. on July 10, 2009 at 5:31 pm Seeking_Alpha

    As for Watson, looks like he’s been getting pussy on the regular for 40 years. Not too bad. I’m guessing he’d prefer time spent in his lab to time spent in bars when the results are the same – steady stream of pussy – although variety does have its advantages.

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  473. on July 10, 2009 at 5:40 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Oh, and in case Willie is reading along, he should go back and review what Roissy said on his newest post: he said THE AVERAGE WOMAN now can make sexual choices free from any restraint, rebuke or consequence. This isn’t confined just to the bars and clubs, y’all, and as White Marital rates show, they’re falling, and not necessarily by the guys’ choice.

    And these women now get to choose the herbs and betas whom roissy DESPISES.

    The highly educated women are now freer to choose the high IQ types they feel compatible with. And they do.

    Stop letting that truth frustrate you. Get on with your own life.

    And let’s get serious-whos more important to society, Larry Summers, or James Watson? To ask the question is to answer it, and the harsh truth is, that the present day Watsons are at best shunned, if not vilified, in the dating and sexual marketplace, because Women now have unfettered Choice, accross the board.

    No they aren’t. Plenty of science laboratory types are not being shunned at all. They are marrying professional women – doctors, lab workers, other scientists, etc.

    Ironic that a guy like me can see it but the supposed Best & Brightest can’t.

    But you are simply wrong. You talk to much but you don’t listen. It’s like you motor mouth so as not to hear what might hurt you.

    Natures a Bitch…but she’s Fair.

    Nature is anything but fair.

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  474. @williard

    “Nature isn’t fair”

    Nature is in itself indifferent.

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  475. who say
    black folks
    cannot write

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  476. Willie,
    Again, please see Sailer’s Is Love Colorblind, and read what he reports Asian Males feel about the matter. They would disagree with you.

    Seeking Alpha,
    I think I’ve made a pretty tight case in this thread and the Gender Gap thread. If you would kindly review both, I’ll be more than glad to entertain any questions you may have.

    O

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  477. @Dana

    That’s not you in the picture is it? 😉

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  478. on July 10, 2009 at 5:51 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Obs… you can bang out 7500 words of unnecessary, overwrought nonsense, but you can’t summarize in two or three sentences your argument?

    Can’t or won’t? Hmmmm?

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  479. aoefe ahahahah ewww

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  480. Anything to reduce the idea in women’s minds that they are sitting on a gold mine. We have too much of that in NYC. Women here overvalue themselves like no others, except for maybe South Beach.

    Here you go Maurice, for why I tossed myself to the right of the bell pudge. Well that and my utterly untranslatable humor

    LR, I can see why you don’t take your ex seriously as a prospect; I’m sure he’s a really nice guy and a good friend though.

    I never would have thought gagging was sexy, wow.

    The things I learn here, chub out?, gagging is hott, lawyers are dogs to be used only anally without lubricant, girls who travel are sluts, and vaginas can be hugged and loved without warmth or affection.

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  481. dana warned:

    in short i was a jewish siouxsie clone…

    schweet – you know how to pierce your kids –
    then, make them feel guilty about it

    SRSLY

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  482. Seeking Alpha,
    “Won’t”. These are weighty issues that deserve attention, and as you honestly strike me as an intelligent, caring and thoughtful person, I feel you’re up to reading my key thoughts on the matter. Now, if you’re not interested, that’s OK. But it won’t be because I haven’t laidout my premise both here and on the Gender Gap thread.

    O

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  483. Seeking, he doesn’t say anything–i defy you to cut and paste one of his screeds and analyze it line by line for content–

    here’s a good summary of his sophist MO:

    http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/rhetoricprintall.php

    this of course is really a short version of schopenhauer’s 38 ways to win an argument

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  484. on July 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is exactly on point dana.

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  485. on July 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm Seeking_Alpha

    “Won’t”. These are weighty issues that deserve attention, and as you honestly strike me as an intelligent, caring and thoughtful person, I feel you’re up to reading my key thoughts on the matter. Now, if you’re not interested, that’s OK. But it won’t be because I haven’t laidout my premise both here and on the Gender Gap thread.

    In the time it took you to write that, you could have repeated your argument.

    But now I have to go.

    Everyone enjoy your weekend. Find some girls. Or enjoy the one you already have.

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  486. Also, dana your comment you linked, reads (in essence) like almost every girl I grew up with/went to school with. nice.

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  487. Dana,
    Do you deny or confirm that which I said in reply to your questions about Black crime in Phila? Based on the Daily News? We really don’t need to go into all the Ad Hom here-either what I’m speaking to is on-point or not.

    Seeking,
    You have a good weekend, too! I’m about to bounce over to Brown Sugah’s for the weekend.

    O

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  488. Why Can’t Johnny, Chang & Sanjay, Get Laid?

    I don’t spend a whole lot of time thinking about Chang and Sanjay, but Johnny gets laid plenty.

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  489. PA,
    Not if what Roissy says on the Gender Gap thread has anything to say about; not if Johnny, like Chang and Sanjay, are on the Right End of the Bell Curve in Male IQ terms. Not if he works in a field like IT. All indications suggest that he aint getting laid at all, of if he is, it aint nothin’ like the guys Women want in our time.

    O

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  490. obsidian what you wrote had zero to do with what i said. just because you are at more risk of crime living in a low iq nam or white area doesn’t mean HIGH IQ PEOPLE don’t hold LOW IQ peoples propensity for crime against them. you proving that point by pointing out low iq black and hispnaic areas are the murder hotbeds of philadelphia is just ammo really.

    YOU were asking the question why the seeming high iq vendetta against low–ONE of THE REASONS is the LOW IQ PROPENSITY FOR CRIME.

    whether the high iq person is robbed or hurt himself is irrelevant, that has to devote his life to being able to AVOID being robbed and killed by the Left half by working hard to earn a lot of money to pay exhorbitant taxes and prices for a home far away from them is the issue.

    crime doesn’t just cost the victims–it costs every taxpayer. the higher iq echelon makes up most of the actual tax PAYERS and low IQ and women make up the tax CONSUMERS as a class.

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  491. Dana,
    Its not fault, or responsibility, to account for the actions of others. Moreover, everything has a price in this world. If you or anyone else wants to get as far away from Black folk, God bless ya-this is a huge country. I hear Montana is beautiful this time of year.

    Happy trails.

    O

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  492. ok that seals it. you have zero reading comprehension there is no point in continuing to try to converse with you.

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  493. al: I never would have thought gagging was sexy, wow.

    I don’t understand this one either, but to each his own.

    dana, it seems from that other thread, was the closest thing to a real slut, the kind of mythical woman men spend the their whole life looking for don’t find because they hardly exist.

    i only became very self protective after what i NOW understand were a series of pump and dumps–though at the time i thought i was an awesome high sexed woman gathering conquests “just like a man”.

    That is truly awesome and I wish there were women like that around. Women so incredibly naive they understand too late sex is a female resource, so they are easy for a while. It sucks that the only evidence I have for real sluts ever existing is reformed women claiming to have been that way.

    Then again, if you were a groupie you must have had high standards anyway, so no slut.

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  494. obsidian,

    you said everything has a price

    tell me

    what price would america america pay if all black people disappeared tomorrow?

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  495. Dana,
    I have no idea. Honestly, I don’t. But my question to you is, do you want ALL Black folk, regardless of class, merit, past deeds, etc, to BE GONE from America?

    O

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  496. aoefe

    @Dana

    That’s not you in the picture is it? 😉

    nope. definitely not her – the guy doesn’t look miserable enough 😉

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  497. Your mistress is bang on about you, didn’t she call you a “charmless beta?”

    I was a charmless beta, yet she still wanted to have sex with me. Maybe I exposed something during sex that she liked, or I offered something that her boyfriend just wasn’t offering, but I’m still confused as to the real reasons as to her decision to get her nails done for me and have sex with me. At times, I write her off as a crazy esoteric Canadian who smoked pot…

    Admittedly, I suspect beta behaviour frustrated her because her desire for a strong man in her life to “calm” things for her. That same desire was basically what every one of my female friends has stated that they want from their boyfriends, and those who are attached even to other geeky guys seemed to have found that in their men…

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  498. DA, can you post that picture of Athena again for those of us who missed it?

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  499. Dana, you know what-

    If I felt as strongly as you-that dammit, there aint NOTHING god about Black folk-I would pack my shit and get as far away from Black folk as I could. I would move to the Whitest state and settle in the Whitest city possible, which ensure that I had nice clean streets, low or no crime, great schools, lower taxes, etc, et al. Honestly. That’s what I would do, in a heartbeat.

    I would drone on and on about it. I wouldn’t even make a big deal about it. I’d simply Just Do It.

    Me personally, I’m not particularly against living amongst Whites. I’m ambivalent about it. And for the most part I’ve lived among my own, quite happily in fact. If I ran into problematic Whites though, I am outta there with the quickness.

    So, I really don’t see your problem, Dana. You really don’t have anything holding you back, and you can find areas of the country that wil afford you a better, African American-free life.

    Why not just…move? Far, far away?

    Hmm?

    O

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  500. DA, can you post that picture of Athena again for those of us who missed it?

    I’d prefer not to as the vultures will descend and basically call her ugly again…

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  501. on July 10, 2009 at 7:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””””Obsidian
    Dana, you know what-

    If I felt as strongly as you-that dammit, there aint NOTHING god about Black folk-I would pack my shit and get as far away from Black folk as I could. I would move to the Whitest state and settle in the Whitest city possible, which ensure that I had nice clean streets, low or no crime, great schools, lower taxes, etc, et al. Honestly. That’s what I would do, in a heartbeat.

    I would drone on and on about it. I wouldn’t even make a big deal about it. I’d simply Just Do It.

    Me personally, I’m not particularly against living amongst Whites. I’m ambivalent about it. And for the most part I’ve lived among my own, quite happily in fact. If I ran into problematic Whites though, I am outta there with the quickness.

    So, I really don’t see your problem, Dana. You really don’t have anything holding you back, and you can find areas of the country that wil afford you a better, African American-free life.

    Why not just…move? Far, far away?

    Hmm?

    O”””””””””””””””

    But then you would follow her O because then she wouldn’t be getting your black point of view. Do you understand now.

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  502. obsidian

    when did i say i wanted all black people to leave?

    you can’t read, it’s that simple

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  503. Obs: And let’s get serious-whos more important to society, Larry Summers, or James Watson?

    Watson by a country mile. All the work in the human genome, DNA paternity testing, criminal defense DNA exoneration testing, etc. rest on Watson & Crick’s discovery of the double-helix structure of DNA. You said “important to society” man, your words. What the fuck has Summers done?

    Watson is a heavyweight. Not a Darwin or Einstein, but he’s a heavyweight. His contribution to society – via his scientific work on DNA – will overshadow and outshine anything and everything Larry Summers had done. It isn’t even close. Summers is a decent economist, I guess, a smart guy. He currently is known for falling asleep during staff meetings at the White House and helping to engineer our Dear Leader’s econacaplyse. (Along with Timmah! Geinther.)

    Why the animus towards Watson, but the seeming defense of Summers? They both uttered uncomfortable truths (about race and gender, respectively). They were both vilified for it. The only difference is that Summers prostrated himself before the coven mistresses like a little bitch, created endowments for feminist harridans, and resigned like a coward. Yeah, Obama subsequently hired him. So he’s now piddling along in that romper-room administration. Maybe he’s the genius behind the 2nd Stimulus idea?

    Whereas Watson had the ballsack to refuse to apologize. Again, all he did was speak of racial IQ differences. Differences which you have said you accept. When challenged by the thought-police he didn’t expose his belly or scamper off with his tail between his legs. He stood his ground like a fucking man.

    Again, what is your problem with Watson, and why don’t you have a similar problem with Summers. You think Summers is hauling poon with his aspergery ways? Picking up BOs leftover G8 Brazilian ass? Hardly.

    Watson could give a shit. And as Roissy has said, there’s a female fan club for every male endeavor (except World of Warcraft!), if you can get alpha enough. Well, Watson & Crick are fucking heavyweights my man. You think there weren’t white-coated, nervous lab bitches who didn’t wet their starchy panties the moment Watson deigned to look at them when he was younger? C’mon!

    Even Einstein had side-sluts. Seriously. Betrand Russell married a handful of different women. He was aristocratic, so he wanted to give them the dignity of the Mrs. degree. But make not doubt, Russell dumped his old frumpy women the moment he got bored of them.

    If any nerdy Johnny, Chang, or Sanjay accomplished what Watson accomplished, he’d be drowning in bumbling, nervous, science-girl ass. Mark it.

    Peace

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  504. ABax,
    I don’t personally have an axe to grind w/either Watson or Summers. My point was simply to note as you have done, that Watson is the more important of the two to Willie.

    But the main point I was making was that Watson’s brilliance came w/a few “side effects”, which would not have been a big deal 40 years ago, but which are deadly now-he should know firsthand. As you said, his mere offhand mention of Race & IQ was enough to force him out of the institution he built, literally, w/his own two hands.

    And *that’s* my point, ABax-in the New Grrl Order, Watson as we knew him, cannot exist. The qualities that directly led to his brilliance, are the same qualities and traits that are NOT valued in a world governed by Feminized tastes, interests and sensibilities. Yesterday’s Watson was merely an eccentric; today’s Watson is a pariah.

    You make a good point about achieving top dawg spot/status in just about any field. But most of the Right Enders won’t be top dawg ABax. They’ll be doing the gruntwork we rely on to keep our infotech world pumpin’ while its highly unlikely that they’ll be doing much pumpin themselves.

    That’s something we need to think about.

    O

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  505. @dana re pic- ahahaahhaa is not a shermanesque no. you did say you were their bitch back in the day… so, not entirely implausible. jonas brothers rather out of place in that pic- but i guess that’s the ironic point.

    @al- so, you lied about your hotness. trolling for alpha males, no doubt … 🙂 also, that stuff you “learned”, obviously is mainly rhetoric exaggerated for humorous effect. if we weren’t super awesome dudes and chicks with great stuff to say, you wouldn’t stick around .. am i right?

    @dana, obs- *sigh* i try to be a peacemaker, but i go away for a few hours and you’re back at each other’s throats. ;-). obs, i tend to agree you’re being deliberately passive-aggressive with dana, but she is also provoking you with her sweeping quasi-racist statements. the thing is, you’re both so bright and obserant that i can’t shake the feeling there’s got to be common ground. somewhere in that city of philly, where you live a few miles apart, ferchrissakes.

    @pupu- geez, i didn’t even make the top ten. i guess that’s a good thing – signal-to-noise high enough to have the respect of the rest of the board. at least i hope so.

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  506. @maurice

    i guess that’s a good thing – signal-to-noise high enough to have the respect of the rest of the board. at least i hope so.

    Oh most definitely you have respect.

    For me I was quite happy to see I didn’t place in the list either, although I’m quite aware I haven’t earned any level of respect, just glad to know its not out and out hatred. *ducks

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  507. Umm, when conducting the study – how do they know which hens the roosters found the hottest? Or did the scientists grade the hens based on how hot they thought the chickens were?

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  508. oops should have quoted maurice above anyone wanna teach a blondie how to do block quotes?

    He said:
    “i guess that’s a good thing – signal-to-noise high enough to have the respect of the rest of the board. at least i hope so.”

    And I said:

    Oh most definitely you have respect.

    For me I was quite happy to see I didn’t place in the list either, although I’m quite aware I haven’t earned any level of respect, just glad to know its not out and out hatred. *ducks and blushes now that she’s double posted and realized the level of toleration might have dropped a point.

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  509. I still say the most intense orgasm with fastest sperm is when I saw my gf being fucked by a muscular athletic alpha guy, and I bet he shot hard when he shot over our faces and then me and my gf made out!

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  510. Selenium is just trolling. I do not even need to remind people to ignore him utterly.
    But Obsidian, who usually makes some kind of sense, has just told us that whitey might be smart and do the heavy lifting to keep society alive but the ghetto brothas will most likely be the ones keeping their dicks wet.
    Does it ever occur to you, Ob, that the same thing might have been said by the worst racists Bull Connors of the deep South?
    If you do not feel a little uneasy saying that shit, you should be.

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  511. Well, DA, the Southern Mediterranean is not kind to everyone, and not all of us score Monica Bellucci. Though if I total it up, of my last 5, 3 have both 1st and last names ending in long vowels, and 1 is of Latin extraction. They were all in the 4-7 range. Neither Athena nor Elisa would look terribly out of place among them. I’m not posting any pics, however, because the assembled multitudes here have no kindness for real human frailty. Not all of us are Greek Gods, however Pallas-inclined the (non)-date Med Princesses in our lives.

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  512. final thought from me for this thread: Pupu intrigued me with her volunteer quantitative data post. As with the earlier signal-to-noise link, signs of a mathematical mind And yet she writes like a baby. Now if she shags like a minx, she’d be a keeper….

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  513. @RacChip

    “how do they know which hens the roosters found the hottest?”

    The hottest hens were the ones they had the most difficulty spreading the feathers of, but the ones they worked the hardest on.

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  514. A moment of realization is worth a thousand prayers

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  515. For anyone who is interested, I’ve written a comprehensive post on Game, IQ, and human biodiversity (HBD).

    Game and High-IQ

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  516. Maurice,

    Here is Pupu’s recipe:

    1 part heart
    1 part logic
    1 part data
    a dash of fancy

    shake well, serve warm with her best china, which, you seem to believe, is a baby bottle 🙂

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  517. Rum,
    With all due respect, I think you got what I was saying all twisted when you likened mt to Bull Connor. Here’s how:

    1. I was merely saying what we all know to be true, yes? Is what I said, wrong, and if so, how? I mean, based on objective data, like STD rates, who gets more pussy per capita-lower IQ Brothas, or higher IQ White geeks? To ask the question is to answer it, I think.

    2. Bull Connor was intent on preventing African Americans from exercising their rights granted under the Constitution; in essence, in so doing, he was breaking the law. And he had no compunctions about using his own law enforcement resources in the effort.

    I on the other hand make no such arguments, let alone actions, to prevent or hinder in any way, high IQ White geeks to hookup w/chicks and get laid-indeed, if anything, my track record right here, in this forum, suggests the exact opposite. For I believe to whom much is given, much is required-God has blessed me to know the embrace of quite a few Women, and Roissy is right, for a Man to go through life not knowing such a thing is in many ways, a fate worse than death. So I feel I have an obligation to do what I can t help my brothers, regardless of their color or IQ, to get laid, if not get a wife.

    Hope that clears things up a bit.

    O

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  518. With regards to why the high IQ set doesn’t get laid as much, there are a few things which need to be remembered. One, smart people tend to blow their self-perceived defects way out of proportion as well as inflating the hell out of the object of affection. The result is that saying “hello” turns into the equivalent of spinning the cylinder and putting the barrel in your mouth and finding out if that means a lead diet for your brain.

    Two, there really is no social structure (I don’t consider our Lord of the Flies type arrangement a structure), much less a relatively low pressure one where a nervous guy can, gradually, become less nervous around girls. Less nervous to the extent that some girl eventually thinks “this one will do”. There is no indications that this will change anytime soon.

    Three, lack of interest in athletics. While they can be quite competitive and disdainful of crap work, what they are interested in does not tend to be physically demanding. This leads to the scrawny, pale stereotype, which does not cause `gina tingle.

    Four, romantic comedies. For those guys who do not get out much and are of a romantic bent, these things are fucking evil. The message delivered is that if you are a complete pussy, do everything she wants and cry a lot, women will leave their wealthy, powerful, strong men for you, even if you live in a trailer in your mother’s backyard. This crap is written by guys that don’t get laid.

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  519. OneSDTV, that was a great example of trying really hard to making evidence conform to a premade conclusion rather than making your conclusion conform to the evidence. It was also some very novel reasoning you used to get to the answer you were determined to get to before you even started writing the piece. Changing the definition of evolutionary success to mean making it easier for people totally unrelated to you to spread THEIR genes is a pretty novel and imaginative approach, even if totally inaccurate.

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  520. Firepower loved
    Bull O’Connor’s work
    on

    All In The Family

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  521. on July 11, 2009 at 1:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol napalm romance works though. It really does but after you fuck the chick already he he he

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  522. on July 11, 2009 at 1:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    Let me rephrase that there are very few chicks that can actually appreciate romance but the ones that do you marry em.

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  523. on July 11, 2009 at 1:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or appreciation vs expectation.

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  524. Excellent analysis of OneSTDV, Joe, and flows right in line w/my oft-observation of One, that he seems to like looking at the world through a keyhole, instead of through a door.

    In other words, he sees what he wants to see, and the facts be damned. A trait quite common among Right Enders, I might add.

    IF indeed the persistent iQ gap btw Blacks and Whites is geneticaly based; and IF there may be no remedy for this as a result; then it only follows that the same can be said for extreme Right Enders wrt Game. Simply put, in the New Grrl Order, many of them WILL be net losers. What are we to do with them?

    We already know, from Sailer’s writings, that there are quite a few pissed off Asian Males out there. Smart, and pissed off. And according to One, we should import more, simply because they have the skills we need to survive.

    I’m serious when I suggest a kind of affirmative action program for these high IQ Right Enders, White, Asian and Indian. We all know that very few if any will gain in any real way from Game, in fact I feel sorry for so many of them, because I know for a fact that they are being taken to the cleaners by a good number of PUAs. We need to have a brutally honest discussion about what their fate is likely to be.

    O

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  525. Re: Eurosabra

    I know Southern European isn’t kind with its women, and while I get along with non-date and she’s a very good friend, I don’t know if I’d be able to stand her for a long-term relationship, and part of me fears what our kids would be like*. Even though I may look at her sometimes and say why, there are other times when I’ll look at her and feel that’s she just beautiful, and I can’t stop looking at her**. Mind you, the last thing I’d want is to be with a girl that other men (and women) will make fun of me for dating.

    *A mixed race kid with two depressed parents and genetic history of depression and elitism? Shudder.
    **A feeling that has been amplified by a minimal masturbation schedule due to conflicts with babysitting for my niece.

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  526. aoefe

    oops should have quoted maurice above anyone wanna teach a blondie how to do block quotes?

    Sure blondie. Love to darlin:

    <blockquote|text you want to quote goes here” when you want it to do a blockquote, as opposed to fail to execute so as to show blondie.

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  527. aoefe

    Well, that was a bust in a surprising way. How / why did it do that with what I wrote, trying to get it not to execute? Trying again:

    No wait. Just remembered. Default User at my request put a simple how to in the About thread always referenced in the upper right corner. He knows how to type out html coding and tell it not to execute so it’s much easier to follow. Here:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/about/#comment-94616

    This is made non tedious to use regularly by haveing it assigned to a key, such as ctrl-Q (for quote) in a keystroke macro program. So you just press ctrl-Q and you get the whole magilla, then just cut and past your text into the middle. I use the free downloadable PhraseExpress. I have it autoload when the computer boots. Tiny program. Have several other html codes in there too such as for bold, italics, and linked text.

    I just remembered. Default User does a tutorial on this (and he knows how to type html coding in a way that tells the coding not to execute so it’s a lot easier to understand) in the “About”

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  528. on July 11, 2009 at 5:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    I miss default too doug but yea I think he finally figured it all out. If you have money you have woman. I think he went to go work on the money part.

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  529. Oh gosh

    *sigh*
    I miss my default.

    DAI’ve tried to stay out of the HBD end of pool since my dad passed away.
    DA, I sorry to hear your dad passed away. I know I give you crap sometimes but I hope you’re feeling ok.

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  530. MU The reason why Whiskey has NEVER dealt with The Wire is very easy, its because it would fuck up all his whining and moaning about how Beta White guys are getting the shaft on tv six ways to Sunday

    That’s it MU. I’ve called the wire to his attention a number of times but he refuses to watch it. Although I must give Whiskey a ½ point for the argument he and I had about OOW births amongst blk women. I pointed out to him that OOW were very common amongst Swedish women as well as women from Iceland. He has incorporated the two groups into his arguments ever since.

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  531. on July 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’da
    Mind you, the last thing I’d want is to be with a girl that other men (and women) will make fun of me for dating.”””””””””

    If she is the right one for you then it won’t matter. There are only so many woman on the planet that are right for you that you will connect with on a level that you won’t connect with from any other woman. I would say that is the reason why a lot of guys can’t find the right woman for them even though they go through a lot. It is not easy to find one you actually love.

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  532. “Changing the definition of evolutionary success to mean making it easier for people totally unrelated to you to spread THEIR genes is a pretty novel and imaginative approach, even if totally inaccurate.”

    Are you fucking serious? I imagine you don’t think ethnicity and race are biologically based. If you do, that means they share almost all of your genetic material. I imagine that doesn’t mean “UNRELATED”. So having them survive, means having your genes survive.

    This is the entire premise of “kin selection” and The Selfish gene. I didn’t make them up. You can find the links on my post. Did you even read the links I used throughout the post?

    Now, if you don’t think extended families share genes, then I can’t help you. Here’s some evidence though:

    http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/08/genetic-map-of-europe-again.php

    Notice, how an Italian shares many genes with other Italians. Here’s a better example. DAB1 is present in almost the entire Chinese population. Because natural selection acts on genes, that’s all we should care about. Well, DAB1 wants to survive, DAB1 doesn’t care if it survives in the person it’s in or in all the other Chinese people. So any means to maximize Chinese birth rates, whether or not that helps the actual individual, will spread DAB1.

    Seriously, did you actually read the post or do you just have default answers to people?

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  533. @chic – “I miss my default.”

    I miss your default too. 😦

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  534. “Changing the definition of evolutionary success to mean making it easier for people totally unrelated to you to spread THEIR genes is a pretty novel and imaginative approach, even if totally inaccurate.”

    Joe goes a bit too far when he says this. A concept of genetics known as “population structure” (LOOK IT UP!) means that notions like ethnicity and race are biologically based, useful constructs, which at the very least imply that people within these categories are more likely to be related to one another than to people outside the group.

    At the same time, Joe is perfectly correct. Most people within that group are only tangentially related to you. In fact, for most of the human time-line, undoubtedly you are more famous and elevated in the history if you took your neighbor’s wives by force and rape, produced progeny, and therefore diluted the gene pool, rather than keeping it pure. Genghis Khan was not very discriminating on which women he “ran game” on.

    Even if humanity were divided into separate pots of peoples as some wish, one would still be competing with them for sex & status. It makes little sense with evolution to endow one with a psychological mechanism that would promote the spread of their genes over yours in the span of a few hundred years, at most. GROUP SELECTION IS WEAK, and some are going to have to learn to deal with that fact.

    *: I think

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  535. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. I don’t read this blog to hear people like me discussing controversial ideas outside of fucking women silly.

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  536. “It makes little sense with evolution to endow one with a psychological mechanism that would promote the spread of their genes over yours in the span of a few hundred years, at most. GROUP SELECTION IS WEAK, and some are going to have to learn to deal with that fact.”

    I’ll go with Richard Dawkins this one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish_gene#Many_phenomena_explained)

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  537. OneSTDV,
    Again: please attend the next packed to the gills PUA bootcamp, largely attended by IT and other Right Ender-type guys, and tell them that, instead of spending large sums of hard currency in the hopes of bedding at least a handful of Women in their lives, that they should instead devote their lives to making it a better place for guys who’s only real connection might be, that they share the same race, as they get more ass than a toilet seat.

    And please report back the result.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  538. quoth aoefe:

    @kam

    “i can’t help myself, i need to know: is gagging really a turn on???”

    I understand some men like it and if it’s accompanied by gag tears even hotter. If I had to guess I’d say it’s because it proves they’re BIG men.

    No, silly. It’s because it shows him that she loves him enough to suffer some discomfort to please him. Ultimately, it hints that she is willing to undergo the extreme discomfort of bearing his child. Very sexy.

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  539. DA,

    Yes, I know, it’s problematic, but the thing is that at 35 I’m pretty much in the same situation you are, except for moving heaven and earth to get with unconventional-looking women, and I don’t think that being an outlier is healthy, and I am appalled that you VOLUNTEER for the position I’ve been beaten down into by disability, autism, depression, and genteel poverty. Things do NOT get prettier when you can no longer get hard from cheapchickswithnails.com, and it helps quite a lot to have a play date with a real woman, or even a functioning relationship.

    My life combines the worst aspects of yours and Arpagus, and I have to MANAGE everything with a fine-tooth comb, mainly online, because most women VANISH when they find out about the liberal-arts graduate degree, my home life, and the transit-dependence. I have just the beginning rudiments of game, enough to get a woman who is already attracted–ironically, I have a symmetrical, handsome face to go with my bent & broken body–yet I have a PUAs sense of (angry?) entitlement, to the point where I am mystified why women refuse to get with me after just the AO. Also ironically, I am (apparently) very good in bed.

    Again, I wound up here despite my best efforts, and I would plead with you NOT to seek it out deliberately.

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  540. on July 12, 2009 at 10:24 pm Hope I die before I get old

    Yes, We Do. Even at Our Age.

    What constitutes “sexually active” for a wife and husband who are 70 and 78 years old? A certain number of times a week, a month, a year? I haven’t seen any statistics on what people our age do, or attempt to do, behind closed doors.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/fashion/12love.html?_r=1&ref=fashion&pagewanted=all

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  541. @pike – “Ultimately, it hints that she is willing to undergo the extreme discomfort of bearing his child. Very sexy.”

    To steal a phrase – SRSLY? Like really? Hunh, would never have guessed it.

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  542. on July 13, 2009 at 1:03 am Gunslingergregi

    Eurosabra how come you don’t get some more jobs or does disability prevent you from doing that.

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  543. GG,

    I have pretty extensive arthritis that prevents me from working more, and as things are I basically shuttle between work-home-whatever girlfriend of the moment, if I have a girlfriend. Ironically, the most recent woman I dated was a disabled lawyer. I go out “for fun” about once a month, but most of my weekends are spent housecleaning and resting in preparation for the work week. My work is pretty insular and non-alpha as well, I’m a translator/librarian.

    One can really lose interest in stuff and a taste for life, which is why I cling to Game with such tenacity–it’s the last thing I want to postpone.

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  544. hmm. When a red junglefowl is attractive, how can you tell?

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  545. on July 13, 2009 at 2:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    How bout medical transcriptionist/billing. He He He

    Got to drop on one of these work from home gigs or something. Just bust it all day for a while till you can invest in something where someone else does the work.

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  546. […] 13, 2010 by Chateau As if the dark worldview illuminated on this blog could not be more validated, here’s an article about rising rates of illegitimacy, spinsterhood, later marriages, and […]

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