The Great Men On Holding Marital Frame

An emailer sends along an excerpt from a book written by the Frenchman Rabelais on the subject of, paraphrasing, “gamed wife, happy life”.

Just came across a redpilled book from the Rennaissance period written by the Frenchman Rabelais.

Project Gutenberg has online copies.

There is a very good section on maintaining frame in a marriage.

It’s a bit difficult to read given that he didn’t use modern grammar and writing style but I have no doubt you will understand the wisdom.

Also, you will find a portrait of the author toward the top of the document. Physiognomy is real. Interesting, when you consider this document also contains a chapter titled: “Rondibilis the Physician’s cure for cuckoldry”.

Here is the section on marriage I refer to (he didn’t use paragraphs).


After that Gargantua had most affably saluted all the gentlemen there present, he said, Good friends, I beg this favour of you, and therein you will very much oblige me, that you leave not the places where you sate nor quit the discourse you were upon. Let a chair be brought hither unto this end of the table, and reach me a cupful of the strongest and best wine you have, that I may drink to all the company. You are, in faith, all welcome, gentlemen. Now let me know what talk you were about. To this Pantagruel answered that at the beginning of the second service Panurge had proposed a problematic theme, to wit, whether he should marry, or not marry? that Father Hippothadee and Doctor Rondibilis had already despatched their resolutions thereupon; and that, just as his majesty was coming in, the faithful Trouillogan in the delivery of his opinion hath thus far proceeded, that when Panurge asked whether he ought to marry, yea or no? at first he made this answer, Both together. When this same question was again propounded, his second answer was, Neither the one nor the other. Panurge exclaimeth that those answers are full of repugnancies and contradictions, protesting that he understands them not, nor what it is that can be meant by them. If I be not mistaken, quoth Gargantua, I understand it very well. The answer is not unlike to that which was once made by a philosopher in ancient times, who being interrogated if he had a woman whom they named him to his wife? I have her, quoth he, but she hath not me,—possessing her, by her I am not possessed. Such another answer, quoth Pantagruel, was once made by a certain bouncing wench of Sparta, who being asked if at any time she had had to do with a man? No, quoth she, but sometimes men have had to do with me. Well then, quoth Rondibilis, let it be a neuter in physic, as when we say a body is neuter, when it is neither sick nor healthful, and a mean in philosophy; that, by an abnegation of both extremes, and this by the participation of the one and of the other. Even as when lukewarm water is said to be both hot and cold; or rather, as when time makes the partition, and equally divides betwixt the two, a while in the one, another while as long in the other opposite extremity. The holy Apostle, quoth Hippothadee, seemeth, as I conceive, to have more clearly explained this point when he said, Those that are married, let them be as if they were not married; and those that have wives, let them be as if they had no wives at all. I thus interpret, quoth Pantagruel, the having and not having of a wife. To have a wife is to have the use of her in such a way as nature hath ordained, which is for the aid, society, and solace of man, and propagating of his race. To have no wife is not to be uxorious, play the coward, and be lazy about her, and not for her sake to distain the lustre of that affection which man owes to God, or yet for her to leave those offices and duties which he owes unto his country, unto his friends and kindred, or for her to abandon and forsake his precious studies, and other businesses of account, to wait still on her will, her beck, and her buttocks. If we be pleased in this sense to take having and not having of a wife, we shall indeed find no repugnancy nor contradiction in the terms at all.

Phyzz test, the younger Rabelais:

Rascally rogue. You know this dude was the first man in history to reply “I know” when a woman professed her love for him.

Rabelais’ advice (through Gargantua) is primarily a florid reiteration of Chateau Poon Commandments III, IV, XIV, XVI.

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority

Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be “The One” or the center of a man’s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man’s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman’s integrity and not lie to her that she is “your everything”. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.


IV. Don’t play by her rules

If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there… strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.


XIV. Fuck her good

Fuck her like it’s your last fuck. And hers. Fuck her so good, so hard, so wantonly, so profligately that she is left a quivering, sparking mass of shaking flesh and sex fluids. Drain her of everything, then drain her some more. Kiss her all over, make love to her all night, and hold her close in the morning. Own her body, own her gratitude, own her love. If you don’t know how, learn to give her squirting orgasms.


XVI.  Never be afraid to lose her

You must not fear. Fear is the love-killer. Fear is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face your fear. You will permit it to pass over and through you. And when your ego-fear is gone you will turn and face your lover, and only your heart will remain. You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don’t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.

Don’t sacrifice your manly pursuits for your woman.

Don’t supplicate to your woman.

Don’t let your woman make your decisions for you.

Don’t neglect your woman’s need for a dominant man in her life.

Don’t place your woman on a pedestal of incontinent affection.

Fuck your woman good, because that is her prime directive, to be fucked good.

These are the attributes of a man who holds an unshakeable frame with his woman (or women).

Have your wife, but don’t let your wife have you. That is the key to marital happiness.

And to think there are tradcon ignoramuses who assert Game is a modern device of incels or a repackaging of dindu muh dickism. Nope, the great White men of European history knew about Game, practiced it, and preached it, even if they used a different jargon that basically expressed the same ideas in, say, the Mystery Method or at this ‘umble blog.


  1. on October 24, 2018 at 12:51 pm Captain Obvious

    Study: People With Fewer Sex Partners Report Happier Marriages


    • on October 24, 2018 at 12:56 pm Captain Obvious

      “… Americans who have only ever slept with their spouses are most likely to report being in a “very happy” marriage. Meanwhile, the lowest odds of marital happiness—about 13 percentage points lower than the one-partner women—belong to women who have had six to 10 sexual partners in their lives. For men, there’s still a dip in marital satisfaction after one partner, but it’s never as low as it gets for women…”


      • men who are able to hit their wives are also the guy who wrote that shit up there.

        It’s much easier to “game” if you have violence for the edge cases. Without the latter, the former becomes a trapeze act

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    • The glib answer would be “That’s because they don’t know what they’re missing.”

      Or, from Bridgesmaids: “A girl needs those slutty college years to find out what she likes.”

      But the real answer is that Scriptural principles prove sound once again, and one man, one woman is the true formula for happiness that sustains.

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  3. Thus Achilles in Homer is a beta. Though to be fair, he’s a teenager at war and Agamemnon is a d0uche.

    Agamemnon takes Briseis from Achilles. The snot gets upset, cries for mommy goddess Thetis to have Zeus rain death upon the Achaeans until he gets back the girl.

    What kind of A-hole begs for the deaths of his mates?

    Greeks read the Iliad because of the hate of brave Achilles against the injustice of Agamemnon. Romans read the Odyssey because of the relentless drive of Odysseus to get home to rule his people.

    Using Game to reread the classics is eye opening.

    On a related note:


    • on October 24, 2018 at 1:41 pm Captain John Charity Spring MA

      Hector tends to be the admirable character in the story. And he still gets the chop.


      • The goodbye scene between Hector and Andromache is probably one the greatest in drama.

        To his credit, Homer gave both sides heroes to emulate.


      • In a way, the ancients are telling us that EVERYBODY DIES.

        Doesn’t matter how brave, strong, intelligent, wronged or championed you are, everybody dies. Sometimes ignominiously, or by proxy–like when your pissed off post-wall ex-wife decides to murder your offspring with an axe to get back at you–but everybody dies.

        “…Deserve ain’t got nothin’ to do with it.”


    • Back in college the Greek professor painted the Illiad as Homer’s way of protesting the tendency of Greeks towards hivemind at the time (muh city-state and civic nationalism) by harkening back some four or five centuries to the Trojan War and the uber-rugged individualism of the old heroes, with their self-centered foibles and all.

      As you noted, the petulance and pride of Achilles, the arrogance and envy by Agamemnon, and even the selfishness and mendacity of Ulysses (who pretended to be insane when the Greeks came to call upon him for service against the Trojans).

      Hector was indeed portrayed as loyal husband and concerned citizen, but note that when it came to the fight with Achilles, he ran like a coward. (Don’t believe the movie version).


      • Everyone d1es al0ne was the lesson discussed at university.

        How a man meets his doom was the purpose of a life striving for Arete or Masculine Virtue.

        No man wants to d1e like a punk.

        BTW, the quote “Lions don’t parlay with sheep” is in the Iliad.


      • on October 24, 2018 at 2:17 pm Captain John Charity Spring MA

        Hector fairs quite well.

        His subversive little brother and stubborn dad put him in an untenable spot.

        He rides out to combat unwillingly but dutifully, expecting to fight Achilles and kills his impersonator fag lover/nephew instead.

        Fights a duel he need not bother with. Gets his body desacrated for his trouble.


      • on October 24, 2018 at 2:22 pm Captain John Charity Spring MA

        A running battle against a man you reckon to be younger and stronger than youself on ground you know better is a perfectly reasonable tactic. Sap some of the endurance out of the opponent and see if he faulters and makes a misstep.


      • Well, I’m not one to argue tactics, but Hector’s retreat was definitely not described as strategic… and that alleged homo love for Achilles’ cousin was spun of whole cloth from some short snippet in a queer playwright’s work, whose name escapes me at the moment.


      • Achilles was indeed a petulant and arrogant child. Hector was a coward carried on the wings of gods and good fortune… until he wasn’t. The most badass characters in the Iliad were Diomedes and Aeneas. Straight up stoic, fearless, wrestling with gods (!!!!) stead-fast individuals.


    • I don’t think Achilles wanted the woman the way a beta wants a woman though. It was more a matter of honour: the woman was rightfully his and she was taken away unjustly. So he plotted revenge, the same way Ajax plotted revenge when Odysseus took Achilles’ armour; also compare Philoctetes’ attitude when his bow is stolen by Neoptolemus. I think Achilles would have behaved the same way even if the Achaens had deprived him of a weapon, or a horse.

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      • yeah mfers didn’t fuck with a dude’s shit back then or they got smoked.

        This modern reinterpretation of shit has got to stop. A woman is your fucking property remember?

        Stop being a beta and recognize that no alpha lets a beta dog fuck his bitch. Wolves go after those who try. Lions won’t tolerate it, no animal will. They’ll fuck you up.

        Bitches are your PROPERTY.

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      • This is why, when Odysseus returned home and found out his servant women had fucked around with the freeloading suitors, he strung all of the bishes up as well… the passage, if memory serves, described their feet “fluttering like little birds” as they were hanged.


      • Of course, I’m talking about the Odyssey now, not the Iliad.


      • So he plotted revenge, the same way Ajax plotted revenge when Odysseus took Achilles’ armour; also compare Philoctetes’ attitude when his bow is stolen by Neoptolemus.

        Just for the record, aren’t these two stories part of some later plays, and not mentioned in the Iliad? Or is my memory off?


  4. If he is quoting 1 Cor 7 he misquotes the Apostle Paul quite badly. Paul is contacting the unmarried (who have more time to devote to spiritual things) with the married (who should ensure they fulfill their marrital duties), while giving scriptural teachings and advice to Corinthians of various marital standings.


  5. on October 24, 2018 at 1:11 pm Captain John Charity Spring MA

    Saddam Husain had a little bit of game about him.

    He suggested to a western journalist that he needed to find a woman -0 years younger, 10IQ pts dumber, and a good cook.


    • on October 24, 2018 at 1:11 pm Captain John Charity Spring MA

      10 years younger


    • Saddam had tons of game. You ever see that picture of him holding the gun up to the head of his girl? You can tell she is so wet she is going to start a flash flood.


    • on October 24, 2018 at 4:25 pm Corinth Arkadin

      Saddam had game, no doubt about that. His regime was also the strongest in the Mid-East. He had everything. But in the end, he phucked it all up. He lost his title, his country, his sons, and finally his life at the end of a rope.

      He must have lost his damm mind though, to phuck with the U.S. in the way that he did. The U.S. armed him and was cooperative with him. He stabilized the entire area. Why it was necessary to off him is confusing to me.

      But then again, trying to understand U.S. foreign policy is a shell game at best, esp. with the Deep State.

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  6. A girl has to be pretty special to be called by her name by me. Otherwise she is addressed as bitch.



  7. on October 24, 2018 at 1:44 pm donsunconvergedinvestments

    It’s pretty sad looking at how bad Spencer managed his marital frame:

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    • on October 24, 2018 at 2:39 pm Captain John Charity Spring MA

      He was just re-enacting the storming of the Baracade Tractor Factory in Stalingrad 1942.

      Take that Russian sniper bitch!


  8. This one hits home for me this week. I’m close to venturing out on my own and partnering up in business. No more employee rat race for me. I feel my mission calling, and it makes my wife nervous to leave steady income for greater opportunities. She’ll get over it lol

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  9. on October 24, 2018 at 2:21 pm gunslingergregi

    no reason to get married here

    whatever frame you hold

    the downside is extreme vertical


  10. Marital Frame starts with the chin. Just look at the size of these guys’ mandibles. Guy on the lower right will have a great life!


  11. I learned about game after marriage but can confirm game keeps my wife and I happy. PS: she graduated with a liberal arts master’s from an Uberlibtard U and was at first revolted when I started calling her my sex slave, my kitten, telling her that her anger is cute and makes her tighter, etc. Not being a real alpha, it was hard for me to not give up. But soon her anger look gave way to a deer in the headlights look. After that it gave way to a knowing, pleased look. She now loves being called my favorite plaything.

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  12. This site has helped me get laid so I love CH, but I will say, in regards to the poon rules (which again, are great, help you get laid, etc) that you must be careful about getting girls to squirt, or at least be careful which girls you get to squirt, because they do not leave you alone after.

    [CH: pro tip right here]


  13. A contrast,, Advice to All Christian Women, But Especially New Brides
    by St. Gregory of Nazianzus (“the Theologian”)

    It’s a very interesting beautiful peice.


  14. That mug…… a Renaissance Pepe if there ever was.

    After you read the quote and see the portrait you almost can’t help laughing because you know exactly what this guy was like. You know this guy didn’t lose a second of sleep over any woman. He strikes me as the type that says, “you’re welcome” to a wench after he nuts. He also looks like he did the equivalent of locker stuffings to Renaissance chumps.

    Next time a chick calls me selfish, shallow, or a jerk I’m going to text her this guys portrait. Renaissance game.


    • on October 24, 2018 at 9:51 pm Corinth Arkadin

      “Renaissance Game”

      Luv it. 9000 +

      Let’s name off some of the great Game leaders throughout history. Maybe CH can do an article on these d00ds.

      Casanova, obviously, is the front contender. Not only was he banging brawds left and right, but he escaped imprisonment with a phucked-up broken wrist and a mewling priest who he threatened to shiv with an iron bolt if he didn’t stop his bitching.


  15. Marriage has never been more than a form of social control. I am aware that it agrees with some, but to me the idea of spending one’s life with one other human being, would be like reading the same book over and over again.(Really, how long does it take to empty someone’s bag of tricks?)

    It is probably not possible to choose wisely, given that people are essentially unknown quantities – but in the unlikely event one does, a durable companionship may be established once the lust has worn off.


  16. The correct answer is: “Do not marry”. There is nothing in it for a man. Especially in times like ours when young fresh girls are willing and plenty.

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  17. Renaissance wits are great, but on the woman question medieval Catholicism is second to none. Here’s how Thomas Aquinas proves that sex was part of God’s original plan for creation:

    “On the contrary, God made man and woman before sin (Genesis 1-2). But nothing is void in God’s works. Therefore, even if man had not sinned, there would have been such intercourse, to which the distinction of sex is ordained.

    Moreover, we are told that woman was made to be a help to man (Genesis 2:18-20). But she is not fitted to help man except in generation, because another man would have proved a more effective help in anything else. Therefore there would have been such generation also in the state of innocence.”

    Summa Theologica Prima Pars Question 98 Article 2


  18. This !
    On a personal note..told the wife two days ago “ we’re going down to the town office tomorrow to register to vote” – we just moved into a new town.
    She goes “ sure”. I then followed it with “ and we will both vote straight republican in this next election”
    She responds with “ok”.
    This is from a woman who – prior to us meeting – voted for Obama in 2008.
    Women are begging for a strong man to tell them what do. Once they find one its amazing how quickly they stop buying into the lies of this age.

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  19. Once again…cursed by the mod bot.!


  20. “Fuck your woman good, because that is her prime directive, to be fucked good.”

    This bit of advice trivializes women a bit too much. Eve was not created in her original state with the sex impulse in mind, hence Adam and Eve were not banging before they ate from the tree. If women were just “flesh things” for our amusement, it would have been after the fall that God would have created them, when the sex impulse was awakened, but because women were created to provide companionship chiefly to men, that is her original intention, her directive is not to bang her mate wildly, but to provide companionship, which includes sex, but her directive is not the sex itself, she has a much bigger goal than that.

    Just as we’re designed to provide companionship to God (not sex). Women are designed to provide companion to us (which includes sex in our fallen form but that isn’t the prime focus), all of this establishes the hierarchy of love.

    When man and woman both return to their original state — through Jesus Christ — you will not be having the wild animalistic sex you envision, but will have acquired something much better, ergo a woman’s chief purpose is not procreation, but procreation is a consequence of her original purpose, that is, companionship to man.

    That is why God said in the garden, “it’s not good that man should be alone”, so he created woman — thus that is her purpose.

    Anyways, I find a lot of good advice in this place but sometimes I think this place goes a bit overboard in being too fleshly minded.


  21. related: I stopped wearing my wedding ring


  22. on October 25, 2018 at 10:41 am Knuckledragger

    I’m the guy no one can figure out how his wife is completely smitten with him when he’s such a sexist. This is red pill truth you just read. Do these and run soft dread game (No woman wants a man…. no woman wants) to make a happy wife.