A Jaunt Around The Internet

Many readers have sent me this UK tabloid story about a tacky British slut (redundant?) who asks the sex advice columnist (there’s a 21st century New Girl Order occupation of pointlessness) Rowan Pelling whether she should reveal to her boyfriend the truth about her, uh, comprehensive sexual history.

I’ve been with my boyfriend for six months, we’re both 34 and I am fairly sure he’s The One. The other night we ended up having a conversation about how many lovers we’d had. He told me he had slept with eight women and suddenly I felt nervous about confessing the truth  –  I had a lot of flings at university and in my first job at an ad agency, so my tally is closer to 40. But I found myself saying ten and even then he looked horrified. I hate being untruthful with him, but don’t want to be judged either. What should I do?

Here’s my advice: Lie your whore ass off. We all know, thanks to the “Double Whatever Number She Claims” rule, that you’ve banged 80 cocks, 40 of them probably swarthy immigrant cock. This means that there is no chance your boyfriend is “The One” since it’s impossible for a woman to make a soulmate connection once her gina has tingled over the four corners of the earth. More precisely, you have found “The One Last Hope” that could save you from spinsterhood. You are walking on thin ice what with your advanced age and bedraggled labia, so the last thing you want to do is fuck it up by giving your boyfriend a justifiable excuse to dump your rode-hard flat British ass. “But why would he do that?”, you whine. I think you already know why, otherwise you wouldn’t be fretting about what to do. You have demonstrated by your inability to be more discriminating with your womanly wares that you are a potential cuckold/infidelity/divorce theft risk. Men have scientifically and observationally valid reason to avoid commiting to skanks such as yourself, so recognize this reality of the male psyche and hope he doesn’t find your All Male Revue Facebook page.

That’ll be $200.

Now here’s the advice Rowan Pelling “sex columnist” gave to her:

To be honest, if your man really loves you he should be able to take the full tally with equanimity. But then that would presume that he’s secure in his own skin and, as we all know, a great many people aren’t. What you perceive as censure may well be old-fashioned male insecurity. […]

Having said all that, I think most lovebirds should steer clear of going into the minutiae of previous conquests.

And if a man is unwise enough to ask a woman how many lovers she’s had, can I suggest the following response: ‘Let’s just say I won’t wear white at the wedding.’

Naturally, her advice is retarded. I expect nothing less from 99.9999% of women writing sex and relationship advice columns. The male insecurity trope is the “Get Out of Self Examination Free” card, and is readily whipped out by the Slut&Skank Syndicate and the Fatass Feminist Fatwa whenever their wishful thinking collides with the immutable force of male nature. To make it as clear as possible for them: Men pump and dump party time pussies, but they don’t marry them when more chaste options are available.

To put it in terms that cater to women’s self-absorption, is it old-fashioned female insecurity when women balk at sleeping with plush, niceguy betas? Are women insecure in their own skin when they hesitate to marry unemployed men? The question answers itself.

By the way, a woman who sneeringly tells her fiancee she wouldn’t be fit to wear white at their wedding is just begging to be dumped like yesterday’s trash. However, it is a clever shit test. Any man INSECURE enough to stick around after such a cackling, sordid revelation has proven his beta bonafides.

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Another reader sent me a link to fashion model tryouts in Russia. He knows this blog well. After perusing the photos (fully unclothed perusing) I composed this Ode to Russian Women:

Oh Sweet Russkie
Your beauty is like vuuudka
To incapacitate my mule
Your chiclet teeth like pearls
To chomp my borschty tool
Your round pushed-in face
Makes my ballsack quiver
When I shoot my load
In your mouth, it’s a river
Just one thing to note
Before I end this ode
Best to get you as a teen
After 30 it’s babushka load!

The description by the event organizers on the website is classic alpha Russian. And by alpha Russian, I mean they know how to BS without veering too far into neutered, politically correct Conor Friedersdorf territory.

Beauty is assessed in a different way.  Various cultures praise various features and traits. It is not  easy to find the diamond.

The desire to be at the podium and be admired is inside every girl. But only those models who succeeded can tell us how many worries and obstacles they had to overcome. The way to fame is paved with hard labor and constant work over oneself. Beauty is especially valued in the modern world. For many this is a chance to be noticed to get to more serious sphere than just unsteady fashion and beauty industry.  In the effort to achieve the aim, the girls are looking for their happiness at the beauty contest. So today we would like to have a look at the stage before the contest, so you are invited to the casting in Minsk. The National School of Beauty in Minsk is going to hold the International Beauty Contest Miss Intercontinental.  This is a beauty pageant known since 1973. What criteria will the jury follow  first of all? This is natural beauty. When asked, the jury was not able to describe the portrait of potential winner, but still accented that the main thing is the inner beauty of the girl.

My favorite part of the website was the link to the Russian meat market girls:

meatmarketrusskie

Mmm, that is a fine looking cut of meat.

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In other news that won’t surprise anyone who isn’t a hermit ignoramus or a feminist, science has once again proven a core tenet of Game: The concept of social proof is real.

The most striking result was in the responses of single women. Offered a single man, 59 per cent were interested in pursuing a relationship. But when he was attached, 90 per cent said they were up for the chase.

Men were keenest on pursuing new mates, but weren’t bothered whether their target was already attached or not. Attached women showed least interest and were slightly more drawn to single men.

You know that typical female lament “All the good men are taken”? It needs to be accurately rendered for the Darwin Generation: “All the taken men are good.” Mystery nailed this ten years ago: chicks dig preselection. The first thing you must do when going to a bar alone is befriend a chick. Start off low and work your way up to the hotties.

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Over at The American Scene, I read another lame white knighting attempt by our favorite house beta Conor Friedersdorf to grapple with the eeeevil of the neg. The article was the usual misrepresentation of game and umbrage over the fact that men like sex with a variety of women that I’ve come to expect from the chipmunk-cheeked traditionalist conservative crowd, but Steve Sailer did leave a couple of worthy comments that deserve a second look:

The point of “game” is for guys who are stuck in subordinate positions to other men at work to learn techniques to pretend to women in bars that they are dominant over other men during the daytime (at least until the woman figures out that the guy isn’t making alpha male bucks at work).

So, many of the game techniques are ones that dominant men use on subordinate men at work, such as negging.

Consider the relationship between George W. Bush and Karl Rove. Obviously, Rove was smarter and harder working than Bush. So, why was he subordinate to Bush? In part, because Bush carried out classic dominant male behavior of alternating between praising Rove, holding out the vision of how far he could go as Bush’s subordinate, and negging him, calling him “Turd Blossom” and the like, to undermine his self-confidence. Bush always negged Rove with a smile on his face, but neg him he did.

The really interesting question about game is this: if some percentage of subordinate males can actually, through practice, can start fooling women in bars into believing they are dominant males, why not use the same self-improvement techniques to fool men at work? After all, if men believe you are an alpha male, then you are an alpha male. And if men think you are an alpha male, and give you money and power like they think you are an alpha male, then women will think you are an alpha male, too.

So, if these techniques really work, why restrict yourself to getting just Women when you can get Women, Money, and Power?

He’s half right. Some game techniques, like DHVs, compliance, and alpha body language, are mimickry of nonverbal and verbal dominance signals that men employ over other men, but many game concepts are not. For instance, social proof and kino escalation (layman’s term: progressively intimate touching), would get you disdain, envy, or a black eye if used on other men. But they work great on women.

This is why my definition of the alpha male is so elegant. It doesn’t rely on male dominance over other men or male dominance over women, for which those two phenomena overlap to a great degree anyhow. Instead, it quickly cuts to the chase and defines the alpha male by how hot are the women he can attract, how strong is that attraction for him, and how many of those women find him attractive.

Note for the dumbass betas: An alpha male is *not* necessarily the man who sleeps with a lot of women. He is the man who *could* sleep with a lot of women if he so chose.

As for Sailer’s poke at the end, who says Illuminated Men aren’t using game tactics in other areas of their lives? And for those who aren’t bothering to use game to achieve things of monumental importance in the corporate grind, perhaps they prefer the pussy path of least resistance. Not a sermon, just a thought.

Sailer writes another comment:

Negging is essential behavior in the formation of all-male and all-female social spheres.

Females tend to form small cliques and make catty remarks to drive away lower-status females.

Males negging other males can lead to violence, but it’s often less vicious than female negging. It can go on pleasantly for a lifetime: watch how four retired buddies insult each other on the golf course.

The main function of male vs. male negging, however, is hierarchy building. It’s a test of dominance to see who has the personality to be a leader. Leaders encourage it in social settings to check out which younger males have the attributes of quick-wittedness and aggression to become subordinate line managers within his hierarchy, and which would be better suited for staff roles.

The question, therefore, remains: Why not use Game not just in the bars but in the boardrooms to win not just women, but the power, money, and prestige that naturally attract women as well?

Presumably, Pick-Up Artistry works best for aggressive, quick-witted men who have flaws that prevent them from becoming leaders of men (e.g., laziness, need for instant gratification, and so forth).

It’s true that the men who take most quickly to the beauty of the neg are those who are already blessed by genetics with assertiveness and a quick wit, but all this means is that less-gifted men have to train harder to improve their lot with women. Like playing an instrument, it is possible for a man with sufficient practice to get better with women.

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Dennis Mangan has a post up about game and social collapse. The comments section is ablaze. Take a look. I have been branded a desolate impact on civilization and a representative of the lowest moral order. *preen*

Here’s a clue, chipmunk-cheeked conservatives: If you wish to change the behavior of men, you first must change the behavior of women. The penis parades to the pussy tune, not the other way around. Your chivalry and paeans to honor and duty do nothing but fuel the decline. Guys like me laugh at your sacrifice.

And for those who continue troubling themselves over the conceptually useful and reality-reflecting definitions of alpha male and beta male, let me help clear up the matter. Alpha/beta isn’t a dichotomy. It’s a gradation; an attractiveness bell curve that is somewhat weighted toward the left hand side due to women’s propensity to “date up”. There are plenty of betas who do manage to get laid and find a woman to marry, but the devil is in the details. As you go down the beta scale, you find more men shut out of hot sex with women in their salad days (teens and twenties) and settling later in life with used-up cougars-in-waiting. The further leftward you descend, the more involuntarily celibate lesser betas and omegas you’ll see. The further rightward you ascend, the more happy alphas with their choice of poon dominate the sexual landscape.

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On a more serious note, apparently Lady Laddie Gaga is a hermaphrodite. She gotta ween! Check it:

She’s a man, baby! David Alexander: “It moved, Jerry.”





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  1. “Mmm, that is a fine looking cut of meat.”

    Ya but did you see the brunette? 😉

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  2. on August 18, 2009 at 1:38 pm ironrailsironweights

    Alpha/beta isn’t a dichotomy. It’s a gradation; an attractiveness bell curve that is somewhat weighted toward the left hand side due to women’s propensity to “date up”.

    Which makes sense, because women aren’t rated by a simple either/or test, but rather on a 1 – 10 scale.

    Peter

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  3. “The main function of male vs. male negging, however, is hierarchy building. It’s a test of dominance to see who has the personality to be a leader.”

    This is true.

    I have been negging for years.

    Look at any group of school yard toughs. They are constantly negging each other.

    Look to any crew of college age drug dealers. Negging.

    Go to any brokerage firm. Negging.

    Negs everywhere.

    – MPM

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  4. Chipmonk faced conservatives? I usually take shoe-horned in, non sequitorish Bush bashing to be the fewmet of a lib digesting his own biases.

    Anyway…maybe it’s time to return to the ancestral lands because behind the iron curtain…wow. Hot chicks and a low flat tax. It must be nice to live in a free country!

    How many guys in DC are marrying 34 year olds having nearly a century-mark of dick in them? scary. Another benefit of game is the side effect that people like R can point out the warning signs for those willing to listen.

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  5. on August 18, 2009 at 1:46 pm Horatio Sanchez

    That British bloke is actually the 41ist (or perhaps 81st if we use the “double the number” rule), not “The One”. Keep this in mind, gents, if any of you are foolish enough to consider marrying one of these tramps. Hell, if the guy has actually slept with half as many people as he claimed (the male corollary to “double her number”), his pure and innocent sweety may have fucked ten, twenty times as many people as he has! That is some sweet marriageable material, but I suppose we need some hussies to break male hearts before we start to learn: fuck and chuck is the way to be!

    Also, the article should be instructive as to how females lie, particularly about their sexual experience. But we all knew that (except for perhaps David Alexander), didn’t we?

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  6. Before this devolves into some retarded race debate I guess I have a few questions or at least seeking opinions on Russian girls from Roissy et al, and while I know it has been discussed in the past, I’d like to revisit it.

    Why is the average Russian girl a comparative smoke show to other backgrounds (Walking culture, more feminine, etc I suppose)

    Why do they hit such a hard wall after being the creme of the crop?

    What’s the personal appeal to you? (I can’t get enough of the eastern bloc, it’s like a automatic +1.5 for me)

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  7. Yes peter; that’s why a girl with a hairy muffin is a 6 and without a 10.

    Hiyo!

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  8. If Gaga is a man, that would help her. She’s a clear Madonna-clone: ugly face, so-so-body, play up to gays and club kids first to secure a base, promote herself like a streetwalker, etc.

    If she turns out to be a man, then she’ll get props for fooling the straight guys into semi-jacking off about her. Plus gays love a good dude-in-drag success story.

    if not, she’s just going to be a bad music-show everything about my sex life and say fake-“outrageous” things-ugly chick pop tart. And the only one who’s been able to make that last is Madonna.

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  9. Blimey. The British.

    To think these fatsopped dewbellies once ruled the world with an implacable, iron fist.

    It serves the current failing America a valued lesson that, unfortunately, our own fatsopped dewbellied power structure will not heed until we speak pidgin Chinese ala Blade Runner.

    “The National School of Beauty in Minsk is going to hold the International Beauty Contest Miss Intercontinental. “

    Good line. I once heard something like it from Boris in Bullwinkle.

    re the slut count: always, always double the number divulged. Women lie. All the time. Especially about that fuck number.

    In the end, it only matters how many cocks she’s drained if one is foolish enough to marry her and spawn. That way, you’ll know how good you’ll get fucked when the eventual divorce settlement/excoriation is final.

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  10. on August 18, 2009 at 2:06 pm ironrailsironweights

    Why is the average Russian girl a comparative smoke show to other backgrounds (Walking culture, more feminine, etc I suppose)

    One theory says it’s a lingering result of World War II. A huge number of Russian men, often young and single, died during the war. This led to a major shortage of available men in the postwar years. The surviving men pretty much had their choice of women, so only the most beautiful and feminine women were likely to find husbands and have children. The daughters born to these cream-of-the-crop women inherited their mothers’ beauty, and this has continued to yet another generation.

    Peter

    [editor: it might still be continuing what with so many russian men dying young from drinking and fatalism.]

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  11. What is the ultimate goal that men want for women? On one hand, we want to sleep with many so having more sluts would be preferable. On the other hand, we want long-term relationship women to have minimal sex partners so this suggests that women should be less slutty. How can this Catch-22 be resolved? It seems that Roissy is advocating, in economic parlance, that men be free riders — while society tries to be non-slutty so that long-term relationships are possible, a few men can be free riders and jump in and get easy women while not paying the social costs.

    Second, I hope Roissy is compiling these ideas into a book, I don’t know of any book that raises these ideas (at least in the contemporary sense) and I think it would have a large audience, including profits and movie deals!

    Regarding the alpha definition, what about a guy who is charming and good looking enough that he attracts many girls but he doesn’t sleep with them for various reasons (he was raised to be respectful toward women, the women are in relationships, he’s in a relationship, etc.) — is he alpha? According to the definition, he should be.

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  12. Tommy

    “Why do they hit such a hard wall after being the creme of the crop?”

    They really don’t.

    Most of that thinking comes from US propaganda during the Cold War.

    If you remember back then, we in America were lead to believe that all Eastern block women were hidi.

    And American women were the best.

    The truth is the opposite.

    – MPM

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  13. x,

    “but he doesn’t sleep with them for various reasons (he was raised to be respectful toward women”

    I hope you are not implying that it is not respectful to women to sleep with them.

    I can’t think of a higher respect I can give a woman than to swoop her.

    It’s my duty.

    – MPM

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  14. tell peter
    the russkis
    invented
    Nihilism

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  15. @G-man…”I can’t think of a higher respect I can give a woman than to swoop her…” now that is some powerful framing…

    @x, I don’t think R is advocating sluttitude…just that men surf the rising wave of sluts in modern cities and decaying society instead of being crushed by it.

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  16. on August 18, 2009 at 2:21 pm Cannon's Canon

    Framing the creative math of the female mind:
    “my tally is closer to 40”
    8 from 40 is 32. an extra 32 cocks on the other side of 40 is 72, so the threshold of partners “closer to” 40 is anything less than 72.

    if she had 71 partners, her admitted “tally is closer to 40” (than 8). doubling the dick number, this gives us a working approximation of 142. funny how that first hundred cocks just fell out of the record books.

    on a separate note, i heard wale sucked on lady gaga’s little weewee.

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  17. I’m not refuting the claim, but is there evidence that a woman with a certain number of partners loses her bonding ability? I’ve seen this idea tossed around here quite a bit and am wondering about the background.

    If less women are marrying these days, I guess it’s plausible that a 30-something will have several sexual partners. That’s a little disconcerting, actually. Not to be a prude, but I don’t see how one woman could have had sex with 40+ (and I am sure she has had more than she admits) men… I know it happens, but it just seems difficult and saddening. Like, did she ever stop and wonder if any of the guys cared?

    If anything, this man should be more concerned about her emotional state and her self-esteem.

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  18. “probably swarthy immigrant cock”

    We all know, thanks to the “Double speak” rule, that swarthy immigrant cock means lowly non Aryans. Thank you Roissy for spreading the message, purity above anything else.

    [editor: you’re welcome. btw, sweden is slowly islamicizing because swedish chicks prefer banging it out with the manlier (read: more dominant) immigrants. is this a good thing for swedish civilization in the long run? if so, explain your reasoning.]

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  19. “I’m not refuting the claim, but is there evidence that a woman with a certain number of partners loses her bonding ability? I’ve seen this idea tossed around here quite a bit and am wondering about the background.”

    I base this on what I know of hookers and porn stars. After a certain amount of men they screw they are never able to bond with a man again.

    I would like to see some real research on the subject though.

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  20. The more sexual partners a woman has, the less committed she is to the intimacy aspect of having sex. Extrapolated to its logical extensions, it is quite likely that she is less committed to numerous other aspects of her life (e.g., her job, family, car, house/apartment, etc….)

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  21. roissy:

    And for those who continue troubling themselves over the conceptually useful and reality-reflecting definitions of alpha male and beta male, let me help clear up the matter. Alpha/beta isn’t a dichotomy. It’s a gradation; an attractiveness bell curve that is somewhat weighted toward the left hand side due to women’s propensity to “date up”.

    One issue that you always seem to be dancing around but never addressing is that it might not be a one-dimensional gradation at all. Instead, it might be an interplay of multiple male reproductive strategies and females’ responses to them, just like among the Californian blotched lizards (of course, the human strategies are likely to be different and far more complex). This may or may not be true for humans, and we can’t say much from the present state of the relevant science, but it may well turn out to be the case. Now, whichever way it is, you can define “alphas” simply as men who are desirable to women — however, if there are indeed multiple strategies involved, such a definition obscures the underlying evolutionary and game-theoretical reality.

    The main force behind game is recreating various signaling behaviors associated with promiscuous male mating strategies. It seems pretty obvious that one or more such strategies are associated with what are commonly recognized as non-sexual “alpha” traits — strength, dominance, leadership, courage, etc. Yet, I have the impression that many game techniques are in fact recreating some quite different strategies, perhaps something akin to the “sneaky fucker” yellow lizards from the above link, who pose as females in order to attempt to sneak into dominant alphas’ harems behind their backs. Expanding the definition of “alpha” to cover such strategies, whether in lizards or humans, doesn’t make too much sense.

    Unless future research demonstrates that humans have evolved with a clearly dichotomous male sexual strategy, a true scientific theory of human sexual behavior will not incorporate your simple category of “alpha.” (You can, of course, define a variable of “alphaness” the way you do, but it won’t be of much use in illuminating the actually existing mating strategies.) But in any case, I think it’s misleading to use the same term for what might turn out to be multiple categories of dominant males and various sneaky fuckers.

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  22. youtube video is down. Try here for the pict (cut?) and complete video:
    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/08/lady-gaga-hermaphrodite-picture-sparks-rumors/

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  23. @R:Sweden is slowly islamicizing because swedish chicks prefer banging it out with the manlier (read: more dominant) immigrants.

    I thought Nordic dudes were all into power-lifting and shit. Anyway, they’re probably Islamicizing s because Mohammedans breed and Euros don’t. It probably doesn’t help that PC laws would probably put a native in jail if he got into a fight with an immigrant over a girl.

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  24. Great post by Mangan. I would like to say that a natural alliance exists between practitioners of Game and Reactionaries, but the community is also pretty infested with I-love-everybody-man flower children. Still, a successful reaction will involve mobilizing young, intelligent, frustrated men. Sound familiar?

    When I’m dating a girl, I usually make it a point to giver her some real, practical advice for getting a boyfriend, once we are done with each other (great EFA). The advice is:

    – Lie about your sexual past
    – He is the best sex you’ve ever had, no one else even comes close
    – Avoid sarcasm and games
    – If you like him, be very upfront and sweet about it

    I would never seriously date a girl who made the white-dress retort from the column. Not that I would only ever commit to a sexually inexperienced girl (although a “past” is definitely minus points, it isn’t a dealbreaker) but it’s just such an… American response to the question, with all the negative connotations the phrase “American Woman” holds on this blog.

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  25. Is 10 partners at age 34 a lot?

    My guess is that the type of women who wouldn’t rack up 10 partners by age 34 is the type of woman that wouldn’t be single at 34.

    If she’s 34 and single, she either a) has a lot of partners, b) had some extremely long term relationship or c) she doesn’t like sex with men. A is the most likely possibility.

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  26. on August 18, 2009 at 2:49 pm Steve Johnson

    Look at “Lady” Gaga’s face. Don’t need to see the peen to know it’s there.

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  27. Steve Sailer:

    Presumably, Pick-Up Artistry works best for aggressive, quick-witted men who have flaws that prevent them from becoming leaders of men (e.g., laziness, need for instant gratification, and so forth).

    Sailer suffers from common misconception that leaders of men are automatically good with women and that Game is only for the other guys who aren’t leaders of men. This ain’t true. There are lots of leaders of men who are sucky with women because they change behavior and become white knights around them and put them on pedestals. Or act nervous and resort to flattery. Watch any dating reality show and you’ll see what I mean. Or research the type of guys who go to seduction bootcamps.

    There are even lots of guys who became leaders of men precisely BECAUSE they suck so bad with women and hope that a prestigious job will compensate.

    I disagree with him. People who aren’t leaders of men in real life are not the ones who benefit most from Game tactics like negging. They actually derive the 2nd most benefit. Guys who are the leaders of men but turn into social chumps when around women are the ones I think benefit most benefit from Game, because it gives them the final ingredient they were missing and they now become the total package.

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  28. …it is, entirely possible that lady gaga is merely faking hermaphrodite parts to gain publicity with a heretofore unprecedented gimmick designed to shock a jaded world into padding her bank account.

    “He hath spake…”

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  29. Steve Sailer:

    The point of “game” is for guys who are stuck in subordinate positions to other men at work to learn techniques to pretend to women in bars that they are dominant over other men during the daytime (at least until the woman figures out that the guy isn’t making alpha male bucks at work).

    I remember Sailer wrote something similar on his blog a few months ago, which provoked a barrage of responses from Roissy and his commenters trying to set him straight. Yet, apparently he remains equally clueless. Honestly, I find it baffling that someone so renowned for clever politically incorrect insights and commentaries can remain so block-headed about this whole issue.

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  30. Joe…IMHO good game is based on developing good internal game. Internal game is a state of mind which would help a guy in every aspect of life. In defending the concept of blogs like this one to friends who are skeptical or a natural (and therefore don’t need it)…I point out that there is no magic line that wins women. Goofs like Sailer think there’s trickeration involved.

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  31. i’m trying to think what my limit would be for my mate’s number of sexual partners. i’d be OK with 10, but it would be hard for me to go much higher. i laugh when people automatically say that men are insecure if they don’t want a woman who has had a lot of partners. to me, it seems the aversion is natural for humans. people in life don’t usually get to have their cake and eat it too; there is a price to pay for the transgressions of your youth.

    to imply that a man is insecure would imply that they should be “secure” in the first place. but if a woman has been fucked by 40 cocks, the law of large numbers dictates that the 41st cock, no matter if he’s the one or not, won’t be the best. and i want to at least feel like i’m the best partner my woman has ever had.

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  32. Lady Gaga is supposedly an ‘hemaphrodite’ from what Ive read. She was born with both female and male genitalia, but the male genitalia is supposedly small.

    I said I read that, Im not saying Im certain of it. However, if it is true, it kinda explains her behavior and image. She probably really is a bit confused about her sexual role and her hormones may be somewhat amiss.

    For all you COUGARS out there, lamenting the fact that men dont want to marry you; WORK TO CHANGE THE DIVORCE LAWS. If a man wasn’t risking everything he had ever worked for, then he might consider marrying a gal with some mileage, but as things are now, the financial risk is just too big, which makes cougars, even the attractive ones who comport and present themselves with some dignity, a “nervous” undertaking for any older guy. Some older men I know and respect simply have allowed women to live with them, but refuse to marry them for just this reason.

    Women think all these laws work out in their favor, but often they really don’t. In fact, they may make many men of means very leery of “too attractive” women for marital consideration, preferring an average gal in her stead. Until we get these laws changed, a signifigant amount of attractive men are going to be pumping and dumping for years, and perhaps settling to have merely one child. This will leave many women frustrated and family-less when they hit the wall.

    Our divorce/custody/child support laws have put EMNITY between the sexes, and caused deep-seated resentments between them. It has created a unrealistic sense of entitlement in many women, and has made men extrodinarily distrustful of women. You eventually hate what you distrust.

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  33. I just left a comment at Mangans that I believe will be censored

    Larry Auster is morally supeior to the game crowd and it is obvious to anyone who reads Roissy and him. but it is hard to grasp how destructive he is for any individual reader

    Because he offers the Monastical solution. He wants us to change ourselves, to place ourselves at the moral higherground and through our self sacrifice save the World and unleash the rebirth of the Christian Order.

    He wants us the be monks in a world turned into a whorehouse. This is why I complain that the Paleo Right is bitter and loser. Just ask yourself who would you like your son to resemble: Roissy or Auster?

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  34. Roissy,

    The problem with your bush-rove example is that bush was at the mercy of his controllers (some you know, some you don’t).Rove could have made and broken anyone (and he knew that). Ditto for Cheney (evil but very competent). Bush served at the pleasure of his backers, sure he pretended to be in control.. but it was just that.

    A better example would be hank paulson (power + position). However even he was ultimately run over by the greed and incompetence of his underlings.

    The delusion of power and control is stronger than all other delusions. Believing in the goodness of women is a mild delusion compared to that. There is a reason hubris was considered to the worst sin in the classical world (greek/rome).

    One has to be far more lucky and clever to get what you think “alphas” can get. Remember that is was Augustus, not Julius Caesar, who created a lasting roman empire.

    Ivan “the terrible”s lasting legacy (russia) was not due to his negging or brutality, but a far more sophisticated grasp of what worked and how to get ordinary people on his side. Boiling hundreds of boyars in front of the kremlin helped get pissed common folk on his side. That guy was incredibly popular (for a king) with common russians.

    Even Vald the impaler was quite popular with his subjects because, they knew he was fairly just (if brutal). He impaled many dishonest merchants, turkish soldiers and corrupt officials.

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  35. 10 partners at 34 is probably low for a woman. I know if I had to marry a 34 y/o, if her number was that low I’d take it and run with it. The guy’s reaction to 10 is that of a chump…unless he was already running the REAL numbers in his head based on the 10 he was quoted.

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  36. The Vlad love comes from the fact that he was from eastern europe, which was associated with the dark, the mysterious, and the magical—not in the least of which because they bordered the gigantic, threatening,a nd equally mysterious Ottoman empire.

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  37. Vladimir:

    I remember Sailer wrote something similar on his blog a few months ago, which provoked a barrage of responses from Roissy and his commenters trying to set him straight. Yet, apparently he remains equally clueless. Honestly, I find it baffling that someone so renowned for clever politically incorrect insights and commentaries can remain so block-headed about this whole issue.

    The answer is simple. Picture you spent your whole life with certain belief, and you find out late in life there was an easier, better way. Admitting it to yourself at that point would be a painful thing. It’s obvious he believed his whole life that being leader of men and status was most important mating strategy, and probably lived life by that idea. So imagine discovering post marriage and post middle age that there was an easy to learn missing ingredient that could have helped all this time? It would be like finding out on deathbed that you could have banged Sophia Loren rawdog in her prime. At that point its less painful to just refuse to believe it. Likewise, less painful for Sailer to just believe Game only helps low-status betas and not high-status leaders because he feels info is too late to be of any use to him.

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  38. on August 18, 2009 at 3:06 pm ironrailsironweights

    youtube video is down. Try here for the pict (cut?) and complete video:
    http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/08/lady-gaga-hermaphrodite-picture-sparks-rumors/

    Note that a few seconds before getting off the motorcycle and flashing the (alleged) tallywhacker she reaches down and fiddles around her groin area. Slipping a dildo into place?

    Peter

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  39. Note that a few seconds before getting off the motorcycle and flashing the (alleged) tallywhacker she reaches down and fiddles around her groin area. Slipping a dildo into place?

    Is it possible Madonna just changed her name?

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  40. The male insecurity trope is the “Get Out of Self Examination Free” card…

    See Poetry of Flesh’s blog for a most dexterous Exhibit A.

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  41. — Is 10 partners at age 34 a lot?

    10 partners at any age disqualifies a woman as wife material.

    [editor: if the numbers are to be believed (and in the matter of sexual behavior, the numbers are least reliable) then the median sexual partners for american women is 3. using the median as a standard for normal behavior, any woman over 3 lifetime partners is slouching into slut territory. therefore, a woman with 10 lifetime partners is certified slut. and 40 partners is gutter skank. i suspect that red state god-fearing girls are helping keep a lid on the median number of partners while their blue state Obama-worshipping sisters are hitting on all ovarian cylinders.]

    — the chipmunk-cheeked traditionalist conservative crowd

    They are part of the problem, not the solution

    — I have been branded a desolate impact on civilization and a representative of the lowest moral order. *preen*

    The infamous Roissy is also now in the sights of Mencius Moldbug’s aspie commenters; the entire latest “filler” entry at UR is devoted to the ArchDevil (when the commetners stacking their toys in perfect lines and scream-tantruming because the latest post wasn’t on first-causes currency theory.)

    — Thank you Roissy for spreading the message, purity above anything else.

    if Jon is white I nominate him for Beta of the Month

    One theory says it’s a lingering result of World War II.

    I continue to insist that there is nothing inherently special about Russian/EE women; western front WWI and Iraq/Iran wars are not reputed to have boosted their respective countries’ women’s beauty. So why just eastern front WWII?

    Russian women are hot because sexist society keeps them feminine, there is less obesity, traces of Mongol genes give them nice features, and Russian media aren’t bashful about reveling in beauty, unlike the West’s America’s feminist media.

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  42. Picture you spent your whole life with certain belief, and you find out late in life there was an easier, better way. Admitting it to yourself at that point would be a painful thing. It’s obvious he believed his whole life that being leader of men and status was most important mating strategy, and probably lived life by that idea. So imagine discovering post marriage and post middle age that there was an easy to learn missing ingredient that could have helped all this time? It would be like finding out on deathbed that you could have banged Sophia Loren rawdog in her prime. At that point its less painful to just refuse to believe it. Likewise, less painful for Sailer to just believe Game only helps low-status betas and not high-status leaders because he feels info is too late to be of any use to him.

    some comments bear repeating. It is like realizing at 50, with a wife over40 and teenaged sons that he could have banged more girls, worked less, and married a woman equivalent (in looks and characther) to his own but 10 years younger. better to hold on to the pretty lies

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  43. 10 partners at any age disqualifies a woman as wife material

    but they qualify the woman as a slut

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  44. on August 18, 2009 at 3:16 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    @ G-Mainifesto

    Do you have to write in sentence fragments?

    @ Firepower

    Please stop.

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  45. @dr. garlizckson

    your criticism of both
    G and I is most
    welcome

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  46. Gig – change that from “teenage sons” to “teenage daughters” and you’re much more accurate. With teenage sons, most men would feel a fatherly duty to ensure that they did not suffer from the same ignorance. With teenage daughters, a man is outnumbered 3-to-1, and has to live with the fact that young men, armed with Game, will be going after his daughters – and there is NOTHING he can do about it because his wife won’t let him interfere in their “happiness” (i.e. won’t let him tell his daughters the truth and prevent them from being pumped-and-dumped a dozen or more times).

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  47. — G-Mainifesto // Do you have to write in sentence fragments?

    I like the executive summary format; it’s part of the brand

    — I had to marry a 34 y/o, if her number was that low I’d take it and run with it.

    You never “have” to marry; especially if her loins had hosted as many as 10 trouser snakes

    — Larry Auster is morally supeior to the game crowd and it is obvious to anyone who reads Roissy and him.

    Auster is the priest; Roissy is the knight. Each has his place. Or to put it differently, Auster is a theoretician, Roissy is marketing. Or differently yet, Auster is those hideous oracle-ghouls in the movie 300, Roissy is Leonidas

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  48. I will almost certainly get to 10 dicks in my vag if I am single till 34. But I doubt I will be single till 34. I hope I won’t be single by 29. I’d like to be engaged, at least.

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  49. put up a pic and your specs

    here is THE place to find prime Alpha

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  50. Jay

    a daughter would need even more the Roissy worldview.

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  51. One more thing about Russian/EE women: even in WWII created a reproductive climate where only hot women reproduced, Stalinist repressions, which targeted anyone middle class, educated, or even intelligent-looking, would have counteracted the post-WWII selective pressures favoring beauty by culling the land of anyone but the sturdiest, hardiest, dullest of primitives.

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  52. Dreamer–

    If less women are marrying these days, I guess it’s plausible that a 30-something will have several sexual partners. That’s a little disconcerting, actually. Not to be a prude, but I don’t see how one woman could have had sex with 40+ (and I am sure she has had more than she admits) men… I know it happens, but it just seems difficult and saddening. Like, did she ever stop and wonder if any of the guys cared?

    There are PLENTY of urban slut girls whose true numbers are in the triple digits.

    I’m pretty good at getting true numbers out of girls because I actively enjoy certain kinds of slutty girls, and like to hear their sluttiest stories.

    I do have double standards for settle down LTR girls though.

    I’m not refuting the claim, but is there evidence that a woman with a certain number of partners loses her bonding ability? I’ve seen this idea tossed around here quite a bit and am wondering about the background.

    I strongly believe it’s true from personal experience but don’t have scientific studies. Note that high mileage slut girls don’t necessarily lose all ability to feel affection or even a kind of love. To be sure they will at some point say they have fallen in love probably, even when on the far side of 50 or 100 men or more. The question is how deeply will she bond.

    Let me put it to you like this. I’m into D/s of the not so fetishy variety. I love to blow women out and have them become rather obsessed with me. That’s one hell of a lot harder to do with a triple digits girl than one who’s never had a real D/s flavored great sex relationship before. Oh the triple digits girl may well and probably will appreciate me and think i’m “up there” and all, but that’s not the same as blowing her mind, is it?

    How much more is this going to be the case, this gradient, for a good husband, high earning, fairly attractive and to some extent a leader, higher beta kind of guy most 7s or even 8’s will marry if they do well?

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  53. on August 18, 2009 at 3:37 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Here’s my post on the Daily Mail article:

    http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/dont-trust-any-woman-over-30/

    And here’s what I have to say about “chipmunk-cheeked conservatives”:

    http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/08/17/lawrence-auster-a-social-conservative-who-just-doesnt-get-it/

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  54. the WWII theory is bullshit. Turkish sultans had an ilimited offer of women and still chosed only slavic women. 500 years before Hitler

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  55. ilimited==unlimited

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  56. “put up a pic and your specs”

    Talking to me?

    “here is THE place to find prime Alpha”

    There is only one alpha of interest on this blog. He is not someone a girl should try to marry.

    [editor: alpha males are marriageable given suitable motivation. if you bring mass quantities of beauty and femininity to the table, you will not as readily suffer the indignities of alpha tomcattery and emotional distance. similarly, if you are ugly, even a beta will prove unwise marriage material as his eye will roam as lustfully as that of the alpha’s.]

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  57. X to the Z

    10 partners at 34 is probably low for a woman. I know if I had to marry a 34 y/o, if her number was that low I’d take it and run with it. The guy’s reaction to 10 is that of a chump…unless he was already running the REAL numbers in his head based on the 10 he was quoted.

    First of all the 34yo must be a lickspittle feminism compliant beta to be seriously dating someone his own age. It’s ridiculous. He should be dating girls right out of college – or maybe even in college.

    If he’s going to date a girl in her late 20s, the oldest he should generally consider, he should go for girls whose pattern has been a few LONG relationships. Then corrupt her with wild and good sex so she becomes obsessed with him.

    I guy should have to be in his later 40s before he’d consider someone as old as 34. Even then he should go the divorced (for good reasons) or LONG relationships route, not girls who’ve lived the Sex and the City life.

    That is, that’s what he should go for for settle down. Sure, have fun with sluts. They can be fun. Can make good fuck buddies too. Esp. when what they really want is for you to commit to them but will take what they can get. And share tales of their slutty adventures with you, and even plot some things together with you.

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  58. I really have a hard time believing the lifetime median of an American girl is 3 – especially if we take 0-4’s out of the equation (and let’s do this, since that’s not exactly the demographic people here are concerned with). Also, while I don’t believe this was the case even forty years ago, it definitely can’t hold water today.

    Take your typical “7”, pretty girl, dateable, etc. No outlier beauty or even exceptional attractiveness. At 15 or 16 she and her boyfriend (who she’s in puppy love with) finally “do it”. Maybe she had one before with an experienced older boy or two so she’d be ready (or some retarded female logic), or her and her slutty friend tag team a guy (I know dozens of girls that had raunchy-ass group sex at like 14, 15, when I barely knew what a vagina was).

    Inevitably they break up either a. Because he’s older and goes off to school, finds a better option or b. They’re the same age but go to different schools. If it’s option a., she probably consoles herself with a previous also-ran or hanger on, and gets plowed til September when college begins. If it’s option b., see below.

    At college, the cock carousel ramps up as a combination of more booze/drugs/less structure/coed dorms/more options/no parents leads to more banging. As a freshmen she probably sleeps with a guy or two in the dorm, a few upperclassmen who game her for the first time, a football player, a few drunken ‘mistakes’. As she ages, maybe a few LTR’s pop in there, but by senior year she’s ‘done with it’ and ready to do the standard second semester ‘checklist’, banging those few guys she always wanted to but couldn’t before.

    Once graduated, this professional grrl goes out and moves to the big city (NYC, DC, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago etc) where she works in marketing or PR or whatever they do and the characters change but the carousel remains the same.

    Even relative ‘good girls’ are at about ten at 24. Eventually there has to be other indicators?

    I’m not condoning any of the above behavior but I find it a lot closer to the norm than this magical 3 in a lifetime that gets paraded around here.

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  59. F Bardamu

    Here’s my post on the Daily Mail article:

    I wrote two comments yesterday that have yet to be let through moderation and I presume never will be.

    They were both variations on the theme that slutty girls are far more likely to cheat after marriage regardless of what they or feminists say, and are likely to form much less strong of a marital bond.

    Men should have fun with sluts and relative good girls alike, but only settle down and share their hearts with relative good girls.

    Men shouldn’t even consider having children, with all the divorce horror potential that brings, with anything but a relative good girl.

    If they want to be bastards they can go cuckold betas who marry slutty wives with a proven track record of alpha lusting and chasing. Oh yeah. Those married women are hard to crack. Not.

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  60. any woman over 3 lifetime partners is slouching into slut territory

    By that standard, there will be legions of women who are unmarriable who will need some type of male friend to keep them company and spoil their kids with toys. I guess I can be optimistic for the future. 🙂

    [editor: behold Ephialtes]

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  61. fem:

    but how many strap-ons worn by other women have you had? you have to count those numbers too.

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  62. Roissy–

    [editor: if the numbers are to be believed (and in the matter of sexual behavior, the numbers are least reliable) then the median sexual partners for american women is 3.

    I personally don’t believe that number AT ALL. Though there is the caveat that there are a LOT of women who’ve only had 1 or two sex partners other than their husbands. Mostly pretty religious women. Even a lot of them are lying though and it’s more like five others, but only 1 or 2 that they’ll admit and e.g. didn’t consider huge mistakes.

    Further the numbers are just wildly different in the coastal cities (and Chicago and Vegas and so on) it seems to me.

    For one thing, I think a lot of girls flat out don’t count college. Or only count the one or two serious bf’s they may have had there, not all the wilding.

    Then you’ve got your only in relationships type relative good girls, whose numbers are usually low, and the sometimes casual sex girls, who lie about their numbers HUGELY.

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  63. — Larry Auster is morally supeior to the game crowd and it is obvious to anyone who reads Roissy and him.

    Auster is the priest; Roissy is the knight. Each has his place. Or to put it differently, Auster is a theoretician, Roissy is marketing. Or differently yet, Auster is those hideous oracle-ghouls in the movie 300, Roissy is Leonidas

    Really?

    Pretty tough to get behind a theoretician who insists that evolution never happened (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013227.html), especially in this forum.

    The premise of alpha vs. beta is steeped in the idea of evolution, the ingrained instinct that a woman will want to propagate with the guy who can offer the best genes, sire the strongest offspring, and nurture them to point of sexual maturity. Auster’s notions are antithetical much of what I understand from Roissy.

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  64. Yeah, 3 is a joke any way you cut it.

    doug1 I understand what you said in response to me, which is why I tried to word my post as I did. I was assuming that a person would be in a situation where a 34 y/o bride is viable.

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  65. “but how many strap-ons worn by other women have you had? you have to count those numbers too.

    0. I always wear the strap on. If you count girls as hook ups, I am well within gutter skank territory.

    I am pretty sure that most of my female friends have had 3 partners or less. Most of my friends married the second or third boyfriend they had. Of those who are not married, several of my friends are virgins. I am 27 and so are most of my friends.

    The only girl I know with double digit numbers has serious mental issues. She was raped at 12 and is very promiscuous.

    [editor: for horny guys who have no game, they’d do well to screen for chicks with daddy issues.]

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  66. auster is woefully misonformed on what he calls darwinism, stubborn and too enamored with words and concepts rather than reality. he believes in Platonic Forms like Truth Beauty etc. there is so little common ground between him and anyone with a scientific bent it makes it hard to communicate. he also has no conception of dynamism.

    here is a very annoying exchange i had with him a while back on evolution and beauty being nothing more than the brains perception of phi (golden ratio):

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/010396.html

    starts 4th comment down the page

    he is as emotional as a school girl and difficult to talk to. he erects endless strawmen.

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  67. i’ve pointed to this study a million times on this board. check out page 12 of it.

    3.5~% of women in the study never had sex. 21.5~% had one partner. 44.3% had 2-6 partners. 9.4% had 15+

    the median number of male partners for females (excluding women who are virgins) is 3.7 according to the CDC study. if you counted women who are virgins the number would be something like 3.5. i’m assuming they are averaging a certain number of observations to come up with that fraction.

    anyway, there are a lot of religious black, hispanic, and white women who have only ever had one partner. if we’re going to talk about all of womanhood, we have to count them among the virtuous, but if we’re just going to talk about women who we would find ideal mates (i.e. not some Bible-beating prude, but with some modesty) the median would be at least a couple of partners higher.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf

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  68. Chuck–

    A lot of these studies are a mess. For instance they mix ages.

    The number of lifetime sex partners a college freshman girl reports cannot be mixed together with what a 35yo woman reports and get any kind of accurate picture.

    I also think women lie through their teeth in this area.

    I’d like to see lie detector tests of what never married 32 yo college educated or “some college” women in DC, NYC, Boston, LA, SF, Chicago and Seattle report.

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  69. What would the median look like if we took out fat chicks like the ones on More to Love? What’s the % of women who are fuckable?

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  70. X to the Z,

    I think fat chicks are generally sluttier.

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  71. Chuck,

    Would you agree that the target female demographic discussed at length here is not Maria Consuela Sanchez of Nicaragua who prays to Jesu Christo every night for tomorrow’s rice and beans to be worm free?

    or

    Suzy Smalltown who goes to college then moves to the big city?

    I guess my point is the cdc study isn’t really relevant to the majority of behavior/topics discussed here. I think something like the informal timeoutNY poll linked below is more accurate picture of the actual ‘sexual marketplace’.

    http://newyork.timeout.com/articles/sex-in-the-city/65321/sex-poll-2008-the-sex-issue

    My guess at the Median? 11.

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  72. on August 18, 2009 at 4:31 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Doug1:

    “I wrote two comments yesterday that have yet to be let through moderation and I presume never will be.”

    I looked at my moderation queue and I didn’t find your comments. Looks like they vanished. Try and resubmit them.

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  73. S makes a good point, studies have shown that chubbier gals get laid more. Look it up online.

    [editor: getting laid for a girl is not a huge accomplishment. getting a man to stick around is. fat chicks have higher cock counts because in their desperation to snag a loyal boyfriend they open their thunder thighs for all and sundry hoping the easy access will win a man’s heart. the higher value women can afford to be more discriminating.]

    Here’s what I had to say about the issue over on Ferdinand’s blogsite earlier today:

    “FB,
    Very good post, and I agree w/the “fake currency” analogy. Might not be fair, but it IS human, and being a Black Male, I wholly understand it from the inside out.

    I do think there is a racial-contextual component at work here to an extent, though. White Women definitely do age at a much faster rate than do Black Women, all things being equal, so I can fully understand why White Men go gaa gaa for the “PYTs”.

    The other day I was looking through a Bazaar magazine, I think its the most current issue. It features top models and actresses (the young lady from the show “Gossip Girl” and former supermodel Cindy Crawford), and showed how they’ve aged over the years. W/a glaring few exceptions, the years were NOT kind, and we’re only talking White Women hovering their 40s or so.

    Then, when we add the evo-realities you’ve mentioned to the mix above, it really makes sense that any Man would be concerned as he’s about to make a considerable investment, and in our times, at considerable risk.

    Here’s how I would handle the situation:

    I have no problem w/a Woman’s “number”, and would still consider taking her on, provided she did two things first:

    1. Get a full OB/GYN screening, which include all STDs, including HPV, as these diseases can play an important, make or break role wrt her ability to birth healthy offspring;

    And

    2. She agree to Paternity testing immediately upon birth of our(?) child. In the delivery room. Soon as he/she pops outta the chute.

    Now, those two conditions seem mighty fair to me…whether you agree w/me or not, doesn’t it seem fair to you?

    I wonder how many of those very Women in that article you referenced would sign on for that deal, though.

    What do you think?

    The Obsidian”

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  74. S,

    Not the chicks on More to Love. These girls haven’t been on dates or had things done for them that even average girls would take for granted. You’re talking about girls on the fringe, who are doable after a night of heavy drinking. There are more and more chicks in the U.S. that resemble those on More to Love, holding down that median number.

    Either way, Tommy later made my point more eloquently (the study doesn’t reflect the true sexual marketplace).

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  75. Bardamu

    I was referring to two comments I made at the Daily Mail newspaper site re: that columnist’s advice to 40 men slut girl, that Roissy leads this thread off with, not comments at your blog.

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  76. The state of society is interesting to talk about sometimes but not worrying about. You have to live your life to the best of your ability given the circumstances. Nobody should martyr themselves to make a point.

    I would hope for, and influence society to be healthier (less oriented toward foolish female whim, for bad boys, divorce, working in male dominated fields for ego gratification rather than for the need to support a family, etc.) but I’m not going to be a plaid-shirt wearing, Camry driving workadaddy without an actual suburban family.

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  77. Roissy,
    I don’t disagree w/you in the least, only noting the fact that chubby gals do indeed get laid, and mor often than not, get laid quite a bit mor than other gals do. Not attaching any value judgment on it in the least. Just noting the studies and facts.

    O

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  78. Tommy:

    yeah, i’m not putting forth any analysis of the median number, just relating the facts.

    to be fair, women’s “slut threshold” should be local not national, and it should be compared to men’s number, not other women’s.

    if the average or median number of partners for a man is higher in DC than Wichita, KS, then the slut threshold should be higher as well.

    what’s the number we should settle on? 1 cock in the midwest = 2 cocks on the coast?

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  79. I’m really confused about what men want in terms of numbers. I oscillate between feeling obligated to be totally chaste, and then wanting to be very experienced.

    The guy that took my virginity obviously appreciated it, the second guy I dated wanted me to be experienced, and the third guy never expressly stated a preference, but once admirably said of a girl he knew, “She’s had a lot of sexual partners.” That made me feel like I needed a lifetime’s worth of sexual experience at 20.

    That last guy also ascribed to the 3 date rule, though I didn’t know it at the time. So, if I start seeing someone I really like, but don’t put out by the third date, I’m discounted. Or, if I do put out by the third date, but it ends up not working out, then I just upped my number.

    I’m totally schizophrenic when it comes to this…

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  80. on August 18, 2009 at 5:02 pm Cannon's Canon

    obsidian noted that “chubby gals do indeed get laid, and mor often than not, get laid quite a bit mor than other gals do.”

    ……

    a murky fog glazes over the soured yellow moonlight. the city streets dully sizzle in conflagrant agony. a dog cries out, then a child’s voice shrieks. the night swallows these sounds with its eternal appetite.

    then, up into the clouds, a crisp beacon of light shoots out from city hall. most pedestrians do not notice, staring at their shoelaces as they trudge along. but a few are struck with awe and point upward at this silhouette, and fatties shudder collectively at the bold logo which reads… “GNPs are for Apes!” the call has gone out!

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  81. Chuck,

    I’m not sure – personally after my first real girlfriend I never asked, and never told (I say “Somewhere between 3 and 50”). Many girls have given me numbers but given that there is no right answer, I’d rather be blissfully ignorant and use other indicators to weed out the whores.

    Last girl I saw semi-regularly, we’ll call Michelle, was at seven at 23, but at her admission was that only three were repeat performers. I’m inclined to believe her for the following reason:

    When we were out one night we went to a party of one of her friends, and at said party another one of her girlfriends (a notorious whore, who’s partner number was told to me by Michelle as “We stopped counting at 40″) comes and talks me, deciding she wanted to get to know me better, and matter of factly says ” You know, Michelle’s only been with two guys”. Before I can react, Michelle informs whore that I’m aware of the ‘real’ number. Even if it’s off a little, I think it was pretty close to the truth. Why? because even the skanks know that a girls (relatively) purity is a big selling point.

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  82. The only girl I know with double digit numbers has serious mental issues. She was raped at 12 and is very promiscuous.

    [editor: for horny guys who have no game, they’d do well to screen for chicks with daddy issues.]

    wow, though I don’t dispute your point, those two paras don’t look so hot next to each other.

    Those Russian ladies also stood out for the nature of their slenderness v. slender Americans. I think the term I’d see/hear would be ‘skinnyfat’. [don’t get me wrong, I’d swap figures yesterday.]

    I only know one non-seriously religious girl who is less than 3 partners, but I think I know a fair number who are still single digit. I can’t even fathom 40+, but I suspect I could think of a few candidates.

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  83. There are diminishing returns on experience for every dick (assuming the guy doesn’t have fetishes that require a slut-amount of experience in order to fulfill). The experience gained from the 2nd dick is going be more than the 4th, and so on. At some point, you’re just wracking up numbers with no performance gained.

    If you need to err, err on the side of caution. Performance can always be gained via your SO, but you can’t reverse the mileage.

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  84. S., here’s just my opinion as a girl who is very much in love. Do not have sex with a guy unless you truly love him, and he truly loves you. When you are in love with each other, you will then know the meaning of “making love.” It is… magical.

    Love generally cannot be determined within three dates. You can sometimes know without a doubt in a month or so of intense being around each other. But not three dates.

    If a guy gets fed up with you by date number three, then forget about him. He wasn’t worth it anyway. Don’t be used for your body, or to borrow a crude term that is thrown about here, a “cum dumpster” for a guy who’s too impatient.

    G’luck.

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  85. S.,

    I’m a romantic at heart (ha). I’ll personally keep a girl around past date three if there’s enough interest to suggest it’s not that far away, and I have other things on the side keeping me ‘occupied’.

    What men want in numbers? vestal virgins. Experience is overrated, none of it’s that hard.

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  86. I oscillate between feeling obligated to be totally chaste, and then wanting to be very experienced.

    Screw that. Make yourself happy and go fuck alphas every night for the next ten years. Trust me, it’s far better than breeding hideous ugly loser children with a man that you’ll despite and hate because his beta ways make you miserable at night and sex with him feels like rape.

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  87. Thanks for the input, all.

    X to the Z,

    I would agree with you, even though my sexual experience is very limited. I would say I learned everything I needed to know from my first two long-term boyfriends.

    The real problem is driving away legitimate, and potential suitors for the merit of being chaste.

    Hope, your solution is ideal, but impractical. My real worry, and I understand there’s a lot of women older than me here that I don’t wish to offend, is still being single at 25 or even 30, for the merit of being choosy and having inflated expectations.

    If there were more “Tommy”s it would be less of an issue, I guess.

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  88. Cannon, I think GNP, following in the tradition of Spiderman (who replaced his originally colorful costume with the newer and improved sleek black model), has been spotted here and there in the city caverns as FAT WU’MIN.

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  89. “1 cock in the midwest = 2 cocks on the coast”
    —I just had the weirdest vision of a bunch of skanky women in a classroom performing “skank” math:

    20 men slept with==10 men you admit to.
    10 men in KS= 25 men in NYC
    1 abortion=never tell him

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  90. “See Poetry of Flesh’s blog for a most dexterous Exhibit A.”

    Man, I go out on my lunchbreak for an hour and find myself on a post I haven’t even commented on. My mother would be so proud.

    But really, once a girl sleeps with over five men, she should probably just shoot herself. Life is over as she knows it, she’ll never find happiness with another person because any male of value will never be able to love such a lowly slattern.

    [editor: let’s not be rash. sluts still serve a societally useful purpose. there are plenty of betas who’d love to pop their cherries in a charitable slut’s tunnel of love. now if you had written “once a girl weighs more than five men…” i would have agreed with your suggestion.]

    Also, I hear there’s a mathematical formula put forth by NOVA that actually illustrates the amount of damage done to a woman’s soul each time she sleeps with a new male. By the tenth, there’s actually no soul left, just a gaping, gold-digging hole shaped oddly like a vag.

    I should probably go look up that study. The graphs were fascinating.

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  91. DA, some men that post here are married and still manage to avoid crippling betatude. My definition of beta doesn’t inherently equate to being married; it’s more about an attitude, and letting yourself be a doormat to women.

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  92. S.

    What do you want in life? Men who want to marry youthful women. A hallmark of young women are energy, flirtatiousness and purity. Men are attracted to purity, or at least the myth of purity.

    If you want a man willing to hand over every paycheck to you for the next fifty years, I mean love you, the fewer men you sleep with the more attractive you are.

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  93. I like that “All the taken men are good” variation and I think there’s truth to that (I’ve probably gotten more side action after being married than before.)

    But there’s no way 90% of single women are up for a married guy. I get a ton of hatemail that proves otherwise.

    Granted, my haters are almost all girls (invariable under 25,) single, supersized, and of course, most with no boyfriend. These girls are your typical dreamers and really believe that on that glorious day they meet their Prince Charming, he will always be true (where are those flower and butterfly emoticons when you need them?) So yes, they’re delusional and have no idea how the real male mind works. But still, there are a ton of these girls out there. They alone have to account for more than 10%.

    But again, I do agree with your premise. I’m just a bit of a stickler when it comes to stats.

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  94. S–

    I’m really confused about what men want in terms of numbers. I oscillate between feeling obligated to be totally chaste, and then wanting to be very experienced.

    First of all different men want different things.

    Second of all players or PUA’s in particular aren’t “fair”. They want to cat around with sluts and “ruin” good girls for other men left and right, and then if they ever do settle down, go for a fresh and unjaded not yet ruined good girl — that they then ruin for anyone else, but if they settle down with her, that’s ok.

    But they’ve left a trail of beta ruin — girls with little ability to fall head over heals in love with Mr. steady eddie, who does have some degree of leadership ability, i.e. a higher beta, or male 7.

    Of course this is exaggerated. One or two alphas may not totally ruin a girl, and she might actually be able to land one for settle down eventually as well. Her priorities can and will change. Still, if she’s really slutted around …

    I think most guys who say they want girls with lots of experience don’t know what they’re talking about. They’re being lickspittle feminist suckups. They believe the feminist lies that a girls sexual past doesn’t at all predict her sexual future. Funny how credit card companies and mortgage lenders now that they’ve returned to having some standards, DO think that a borrower’s credit card past IS one of the best predictors of his/her payment future.

    At most guys who like highly sexually experienced girls want a girl that has lots of sexual libido, who’s a horny and very eager little minx that’s up for all kinds of wildness, and are willing to take a long sexual track record to get that.

    Most any man with any real knowledge will realize that a horny as hell and highly libidinous girl that you yourself largely break into the big leagues of sexual heat is gonna likely to be a whole lot more devoted and more crazy for you than a triple digits girl, or even someone into serious double digits.

    As for the three date rule, that’s most a players rule. BUT. Most guys want to feel like you are REALLY drawn to them.

    It’s a real downer to learn that the girl often screws on the second or third date but made you wait six or seven because she saw real LTR potential in you. (But found it SO easy to control herself.) Woohoo.

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  95. on August 18, 2009 at 5:25 pm Cannon's Canon

    Tupac, our vigilante is known by many names. Caped Crusader, Dark Knight, and yes, lately FAAAT WuMin.

    By any other name would smell as sweet.

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  96. S.,

    I had a really positive experience when I was younger that made me think in some cases the wait is worth it – the harsh reality of course is with the majority (like 90%) of girls it’s not.

    What appeals the romantic idea of courtship in reality is just a guy not having enough game to make the lay quicker than date 3/4/5, and the girl conceding or something to that effect.

    Until I started having same day lays and hooking up with involved girls, I’d say the wool had otherwise been pulled nicely over my eyes.

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  97. In terms of hot Russian chicks…it’s all because of Darwinian natural selection.

    The disproportionate beauty found amongst modern Russian women (as well as some other EE Slavic populations) is due to so many millions Russian/Slavic men getting murdered by the early (non-Slavic/Jewish-dominated) Soviet Union as well as dying in HUGE numbers during WWII during the German invasion – this obviously served to drastically lower the number of available men left in the general Russian/Soviet population, and thus the men that managed to survive Judaeo-Soviet persecution as well as WWII naturally gravitated toward and impregnated the most beautiful Russian/Slavic women that they could find which resulted in ‘beauty genes’ being passed along at a highly disproportionate rate. In a curious twist of gender relations, the Slavic MEN were the ones who could afford to be sexually choosy regarding women post-WWII because there was such an incredible shortage of men at that time; under normal conditions women are of course the choosy gender because they are instinctually/genetically-driven to be much more selective when selecting a breeding partner as opposed to men.

    Compared to the pansyfied nation of the USA, you had to be and still have to be a rather tough motherfucker to make it in the relatively savage and brutal areas of Slavic Eastern Europe. In Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and some of the other Slavic nations of Eastern Europe there seems to have definitely been survival of the fittest via natural selection during the murderous horrors of the early decades of the Judaeo-Soviet regime as well as the utter bloodbath known as WWII (the “Great Patriotic War” in Soviet parlance) in which upwards of 30 million Soviets are thought to have died. These extreme hardships, combined with the general roughness/rawness of living in Eastern Europe (it’s always been a tough place to live as stated), certainly served to ‘weed out’ the Russian gene pool of many of the weakest/unfit members of Russian/Slavic society and thus only the toughest, meanest, devious, and intelligent (?) survive today because their very tough recent ancestors were able to survive all of those extreme hardships using whatever measures necessary.

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  98. I understand there’s a lot of women older than me here that I don’t wish to offend, is still being single at 25 or even 30, for the merit of being choosy and having inflated expectations.

    I’m not offended. The thing is, I wasn’t very choosy, and I wish I had been more so. At 20 I basically thought my best option was… my ex, who wrote my full real name on some public forum after calling me a whore.

    If you don’t want to hold out for love, okay. You may or may not regret it. Do at least hold out for a genuine emotional connection. Three dates is still not enough time to form a real connection.

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  99. Nonymous,

    Duly noted.

    Doug,

    It’s true about the fairness factor.. I’m always un-self-conscious about being gamed in real life, so I tend to read motives superficially.

    In any case, I get the point: better to err on the side of caution than not.

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  100. whore

    Whore, no. Golddigger, yes. Natural due to a woman’s inability to find betas attractive, yes. 🙂

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  101. [editor: let’s not be rash. sluts still serve a societally useful purpose. there are plenty of betas who’d love to pop their cherries in a charitable slut’s tunnel of love…]

    Only you, sir, would even suggest that. Gyeh, I feel dirty. Must go wash hands.

    On a side note, maybe we could do a “Trail of Tears” bit for the sluts of America. You know, make a little reservation for them somewhere and send men en masse for holidays and the like. We could call it “Slut County” and sell little buttons and patches, maybe low-quality shirts.

    S.-

    Why would you want to control or design your sex life based around a man’s desires? Long-term relationship with a chump wrapped up in sexual insecurities and so-called social “values”? Hardly.

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  102. Hope, I think that’s the problem: I’m only 20 and already concerned about what my options are going to be like. Sex is more enjoyable for me with an emotional connection. You’re right, 3 dates is definitely too early to determine if that actually exists or not. The consensus seems to be, don’t mind the players, since they’re in it for one thing, and go with the chaste instinct.

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  103. LOL, I just read the Dennis Mangan post and the comments following it. I didn’t see them touch on one of the major themes that now influences marginalized members of society:

    *The U.S. has moved away from a religious society to a secular society. Therefore, more and more people no longer believe in an afterlife.*

    Why does that matter? It’s simple game theory (economics, not PUA). People used to think they faced judgement for their acts after they died. They thought being a pious and productive member of society and doing good deeds would pay dividends in the afterlife. They had incentives to contribute to the greater good.

    Now they realize the true end of the game. People are instead looking out for their own interests and pleasures. The apple of knowledge has been bitten, you cannot turn back time.

    For the increasing number of marginalized men who can’t get a half-decent piece of ass anymore because of the shift in sexual market values, why do anything to preserve society?

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  104. S, I don’t think being chaste would drive away men. Obviously, some bloggers who will never settle down anyway may have a one, two, or three date rule. However, even Roissy wrote a poem to his plu-perfect daughter basically saying, uh, don’t give it up and get married in your 20’s…otherwise it may be too late.
    Maybe that’s a benefit of dating older guys, they’re ready to be impressed and will respect you if you wait.

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  105. on August 18, 2009 at 5:37 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Doug1:

    “I was referring to two comments I made at the Daily Mail newspaper site re: that columnist’s advice to 40 men slut girl, that Roissy leads this thread off with, not comments at your blog.”

    My mistake.

    S.:

    “I’m really confused about what men want in terms of numbers. I oscillate between feeling obligated to be totally chaste, and then wanting to be very experienced.”

    Men who want wives/long-term girlfriends will shoot for women with few partners. Men looking for one-night stands/flings will go for women with lots of sex partners.

    And “experienced?” You’re smarter than this. There’s no “sexual experience” that requires you to bounce from man to man. The most you need is one good man and a reliable source of info.

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  106. Poetry of Flesh,

    I admire what you can do, in a certain light. You left a thoughtful comment on my post about being casual that comes to mind, about not picking partners you’re romantically interested in as to maintain a healthy sort of distance. Maybe it’s socially constructed, or a biologically engineered urge, but I have a really hard time not getting emotionally entangled in the physical aspect of things.

    I do want to get married, not to a “chump”, but another strong individual. I have a natural inclination to want to optimize those chances.

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  107. Learning Game can certainly help with the Alpha’izing one’s way up the male social structure too.

    Hell, I learned most of what I learned of Game hanging with the firm’s Alphas – with the idea of becoming an Alpha in the firm (all male professional group), it was an inadvertent corollary benefit that the Alpha lessons translated over to dealing with women.

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  108. S –

    That guy was probably expressing it less “admirable” terms and more out of astonished amusement and derision, because (as Roissy has constantly pointed out to those who just don’t get it,) its not an achievement for a woman to obtain sex. Its often a failing on her part, actually.

    And don’t you know how to keep a man’s attention over the course of three dates without having to put out? Seriously, you’re going to have to improve your womanly acumen to be able to stretch things out into the long-term as I’m assuming you would prefer to do. You’re not paying attention to the dynamics of the courtship if you’re getting suckered into fucking on date three. In full disclosure, I fuck a lot of girls on the third date, but its not because I would necessarily lose interest if a (quality) girl insists on waiting.

    Here are some tips to help you out:

    1.) Coordinate the post-2nd dates yourself rather than being dependent on him to do it. Incorporate your domestic/cooking skills if possible. Exhibit feminine charm.

    2.) Adopt a sexy-but-shy attitude, and physically dance away when things get too hot, all the while smiling. Learn to be coy — and have the body to justify it.

    3.) Remember: strategic early-courtship throttling is a lot easier to pull off than successful last-minute resistance when he’s got you naked and on the bed.

    4.) Should you give in on the 3rd date because you “really like him” you had better make sure it is mind-blowing for him so that (if he’s alpha) he sticks around. Half-assing it to appease him will backfire. If you’re going to go in at all, go all in.

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  109. S.,
    There’s a very good film called To Sir, with Love, starring Sir Sidney Poitier. The film came out more than 40 years ago, and is easily available on DVD. The premise is that he plays an engineer turned teacher in a rough London neighborhood.

    At one point in the film the girls in the class actually burn sanitary napkins in the classroom. Poitier, after clearing out the boys and giving the girls an earful, then concludes his comments w/this statement:

    “No Man wants a Slut for long. And only the worst kind will marry her.”.

    It is one of the Great Truths of our existence, something that the “Big Mamas” told their daughters and other young Women back in the day. Nowadays, a lot of Women are learning these truths the hard way. Its a very sad sight to see.

    I agree w/Ferdinand’s position, it is not necessary fo a Woman to have numerous Men as sexual partners so as to gain experience; she can gain all the experience she needs w/only a few Men in her life, for my money, preferably below five. But that number is just my own personal opinion and something I could find tolerable in a Woman of say, 30 years of age.

    But yea, its very important for a Woman to carefully pick her shots. The more shots she takes, the less her chance of getting a Man of any consequence to commit to her for the long haul.

    It really is as simple as that.

    O

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  110. S.,

    Thank you. I did have that urge, years ago, to get entangled, to be in love, to fall in love, to preserve myself for marriage.

    Then I decided it was a sort of weakness, so I burned it out of me.

    I don’t quite remember what it was like, anymore. But I do know that it is standard, and expected, for women to do that.

    None of us want to marry a chump, and I doubt you will. And your partner of choice will probably have similiar values to your own, especially regarding sex and female sexuality. It will be easier for you to find such a man than it will be for me to find one whose values match my own. So you are smart to do what you do, and have made the decisions that you have.

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  111. No Man wants a Slut for long. And only the worst kind will marry her.

    No woman wants a beta for long. Only the most evil and cruel will marry him.

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  112. S–

    I think focusing too obsessively on the numbers is a mistake. E.g. I don’t think ten is some blinking red light.

    If you only have sex with men that you believe yourself to be starting a caring, loving relationship with, that might well lead to full blown love, you’ll be alright.

    You won’t become a slut. Even if your numbers do creep up.

    But then don’t wait too long to form that child bearing partnership either, if you’re going to have kids. Start that by your late twenties and be actively looking for it by your mid twenties.

    For what it’s worth, that’s my advice.

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  113. I’m only 20 and already concerned about what my options are going to be like.

    I say this with the best of intentions. You ought to stop.

    That way lies danger. Insecurity about your options is counterproductive. Many men will sniff it out and prey on you. They’ll tell you that you have even less options than you originally thought. “Oh your time’s running out little girl. Better get hitched before you’re 25 to an older man, or you’ll be a cat lady for the rest of your life.”

    It also makes you appear unattractive to men of quality, the kind of men you actually would want. They don’t want to be with a woman who is thinking of him as an “option.” They want to be with a woman who loves him for himself, not a woman who is just going for “I’ll just stick with this option so I’m not going to be single forever.”

    If I came out of my divorce thinking “Well, I have no options now, I better throw myself at guys,” I would have met men who were after an easy lay and then just dumped me. It didn’t happen to me because I didn’t let it happen to me. It’s that simple. I do wish I would have learned this before I got married though.

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  114. “Why is the average Russian girl a comparative smoke show to other backgrounds (Walking culture, more feminine, etc I suppose)”

    One commenter noted that it is due to the massacre of Russian males in WWII, and the editor mentioned it still going on with self-inflicted death of Russian men. Both true. But, even more, Russia experienced several bloodbaths before the Great Patriotic War (what we call WWII) that killed men disproportionately. So, there has been a “man shortage” to one degree or another since 1914, almost a century.

    The pretty Russian women do not turn into the stereotypical babushkas. Those ladies are the ones who were widowed or never married. They had no reason or ability to take care of their health, or looks, or clothes, so they did not.

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  115. Sailer, like a lot of guys in his generation, remain stuck in a world where women select guys based on dependability, faithfulness, character, and the ability to be a good husband and father rather than excitement “down there” at the club.

    He’s a decent guy, but lives in the world of 1974. When probably most women were just like that. We don’t live in that world. We live in the world of 2009. This is not uncommon. Michael Blowhard has the same problem, and it was true for Stanley Baldwin and Neville Chamberlain in dealing with THEIR political problems — they penciled in Hitler and Stalin as the Kaiser and Czar, and never really deviated from it. Because they were basically, 19th Century men dealing in 19th Century ways with a mid twentieth Century pair of maniacs.

    Alpha Males for men, are as much patronage derived as anything else. Bush, Bill Walsh, Tom Coughlin, Mack Brown, David Petraeus, Ulysses S. Grant, all had/have extensive patronage networks, and often encourage subordinates as much or more than neg them. Grant for example, encouraged Sherman through his bouts of depression. Female networks are pretty devoid of patronage.

    Cheney and Rove were subordinate to Bush — he constantly over-rode them Lucifer again and again: the Surge, Iran, pushback in the press, etc.
    ——————
    I’ve taken a LOT of heat for assertions that **most** modern young professional American women will have sex partners at age 35 somewhere between 20-50. I feel … vindicated.

    As for bonding, it seems that hormones released during sex lose their effectiveness in promoting bonding and intimacy the more partners one has, and this holds true BTW for both sexes. Making the despised beta male with few partners a BETTER chance to bond and stay bonded than the player Alpha PUA. But women prefer the latter, and don’t like the former. I think most women would prefer transient pump-dump relationships with PUA than a steady husband, and I think it’s hard wired. There’s another woman who writes to Amy Alkon “Advice Gossip” who had 83 partners by 26. It’s pretty easy for women to rack up these numbers if they are at all attractive.

    Check out “Bitch Phd” to get the full impact of an openly cheating wife (she has her little kid introduced to her lovers) with her Kitchen Bitch husband (since divorced I think).

    I don’t see Auster having any solutions — new Monasticism is likely to simply end up like the Byzantines after the fall of Constantinople.

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  116. Patrick,

    I’m definitely aware it’s not an accomplishment for a woman to have a number of sexual partners. I have seen too many ugly & fat slutty women, with high numbers, for me to be under that deception.

    I have only ever put out by date three once, and that was very recently. I don’t have much dating experience, because I left one long term relationship, for another. This is the first time I have been single since 16.

    Obsidian,

    Thanks. Some of the other commenters have expressed similar opinions, and I think I’m learning the delineation between being a quality partner and a stringalong.

    Doug,

    That’s sort of how I felt. But, then, a few of these commenters are picking numbers to act as universal maximums for the kind of girl they would consider dating. But it’s definitely the intuitively sensical thing.

    Hope,

    I think you might understand that general female insecurity about marriage, that has been ingrained in us from our mothers, and grandmothers who stressed it as the all important be all and end all of our lives. Especially if your parents are foreign, which mine are.

    It’s so hard to get out of your head when it starts to slowly become a feasible reality. I wouldn’t say I’m desperate about it yet, by any means, but it’s definitely in the back of my mind.

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  117. on August 18, 2009 at 6:01 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    I do think there is a racial-contextual component at work here to an extent, though. White Women definitely do age at a much faster rate than do Black Women,

    Black females on average tend to look like shit from beginning to end so it’s harder to detect the loss of beauty over time when you never had it to begin with.

    Also, black females age much more quickly than White women for overall health issues.

    White women get wrinkles, black women get sick.

    Every time you see a wrinkled skin White woman out playing tennis with her husband remember somewhere there is a black woman who is unmarried and too unhealthy to be out playing tennis with any one.

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  118. @Firepower: Ya, a degree from the school of Bullwinkle has cache. Granted. But you’ve got to round it out with diploma from the school of Roger Ramjet.

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  119. S says, “The real problem is driving away legitimate, and potential suitors for the merit of being chaste.”

    The legitimate potential suitors prefer chaste women. As someone who grew up among the sometimes paradoxical flavor of Christian alpha types though, it’s not the raw numbers that will put them off as much as time since the last sexual encounter. Secular guys who aren’t feminist are probably thinking along similar lines.

    Born again virgins with numbers in the double digits had better have a few years under the belt to be taken seriously.

    By your late 20’s, nobody expects you to be a virgin, but you should have calmed down by 20 or so, into love-only sex. Few guys will hold being in love and getting dumped against you, but the thought of committing to a woman whose actual history and behavior says she’s anti commitment is a big red light.

    “Hope, your solution is ideal, but impractical. My real worry, and I understand there’s a lot of women older than me here that I don’t wish to offend, is still being single at 25 or even 30, for the merit of being choosy and having inflated expectations.”

    Oh dear…Love is not an “inflated expectation”. That is a feminist lie from the pit of hell.

    You will not lose a man worth keeping by keeping your legs closed until you know he loves you. So those guys (worth keeping) may be rare today, but they are worth the wait.

    Think of it this way…getting pumped and dumped will still leave you basically alone at 25-30. Waiting, you’ll at least, even if things go wrong, not be really alone.

    I didn’t learn that from the ltr’s. I learned that from the mtr’s (m for medium…year and a half-2 year stands). If a guy at least has to pretend that he cares, it makes you more difficult to leave for some reason…probably their instinct telling them that even if they’re not in it for life, you’re worth keeping around, and they’re the ones who are screwed up, not you.

    “If there were more “Tommy”s it would be less of an issue, I guess.”

    There are more than you think…and I don’t know exactly how, but commitment prone men have some kind of radar for “underused” vaj.

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  120. on August 18, 2009 at 6:12 pm Dolph Grundlen

    Joe,

    “It’s obvious he believed his whole life that being leader of men and status was most important mating strategy, and probably lived life by that idea.”

    I’m pretty sure Sailer didn’t live by this idea. He has said before that he’s always been more interested in ideas and analysis than leadership of men type activities. He was a quantitative marketing analyst for a corp. after completing his education. This is far from the typical track of the “leader of men and status” types Sailer has written about before, that gear towards more management/leadership tracks than number crunchers like Sailer. The only way in which he has come close to leading men is the fact that a bunch of nerdy HBD bloggers have kind of developed around him. And frankly I don’t think he was ever interested in “leading” in this way. It was more a bunch of dorks coalescing around him.

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  121. Willard Libby,

    In the UK, women of black caribbean descent do outlive their socio-economically matched white counterparts.

    In some ways the UK is a good example of what happens when various races get about the same level of health care.. they live about the same. The old black woman might get a stroke but the old white woman gets cancer.

    It all comes out to the same. Even blacks in jamaica live years longer than blacks in the USA, and they were brought on the same slave boats. So it is not about being black, but about something else which many whites cannot accept.

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  122. on August 18, 2009 at 6:14 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Think of it this way…getting pumped and dumped will still leave you basically alone at 25-30.

    Unless you’re drop-dead beautiful, of course. If you’re a stunner, you can do what you like. Anyhow, what male will ever dump a beautiful woman before she hits the menopause?

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  123. Sailer, like a lot of guys in his generation, remain stuck in a world where women select guys based on dependability, faithfulness, character, and the ability to be a good husband

    Whiskey, that sounds like a golddigger to me.

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  124. whiskey,

    They allowed him to do a few things.. that is all. He is just a cog in their machine, a special cog… but a cog nonetheless.

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  125. Think of it this way…getting pumped and dumped will still leave you basically alone at 25-30.

    You seem to think that’s far worse than being married to beta male.

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  126. Carolus asks, “Anyhow, what male will ever dump a beautiful woman before she hits the menopause?”

    An alpha.

    If the drop dead gorgeous stunner misbehaves, he will drop her with no remorse or regret because she is easily replaceable.

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  127. Vlad, doing what Vlad does

    …But in any case, I think it’s misleading to use the same term for what might turn out to be multiple categories of dominant males and various sneaky fuckers.

    Yes, and a high five.

    But as a sneaky fucker antisocial iconoclast, I suspect that Alpha game studies are going to be the credit hours in most demand.

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  128. Willard,
    In m earlier comments, if you will recall, I referenced the recent issue of Bazaar magazine that features former celebrity fashion models and actresses, etc. I clearly stated that their aged appearances didn’t look good on most of them, although Cindy Crawford is a notable exception in my view. According to Bazaar, she’s 43.

    I know you keep saying it, but general consensus here and elsewhere disagrees w/you-and indeed, we can compare Halle Berry, who is in her 40s, to Crawford. I think most guys here would agree, that Berry has aged far and away better than Crawford, and again, keep in mind, she’s one of the relatively few White Women featured in the magazine who looked good over 40.

    First, are you familiar w/the magazine I’m talking about?

    Second, do you agree or disagree that Berry has aged better than Crawford?

    Your response?

    O

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  129. “[editor: alpha males are marriageable given suitable motivation. if you bring mass quantities of beauty and femininity to the table, you will not as readily suffer the indignities of alpha tomcattery and emotional distance. similarly, if you are ugly, even a beta will prove unwise marriage material as his eye will roam as lustfully as that of the alpha’s.]

    So I am told by alphas. I do not possess mass quantities of beauty by most standards. However, there are some men who prefer petite exotic women over all others. As for my femininity…depends on how flexible your definition is.

    I do not make the mistake of believing that I can get a typical alpha into a committed relationship. This belief would rapidly lead to a lot of heart break and a lot of notches on the bedpost. I hold out for the alphas with unusual sexual tastes. That’s the only thing I want, after all.

    As for the roaming eyes, I just want an alpha who will come back home to me after satisfying his wandering attention.

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  130. That should read “as a sneaky fucker mother fucking antisocial iconoclast”.

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  131. Doug There are PLENTY of urban slut girls whose true numbers are in the triple digits.

    fallopian tubes will be as hard as rocks by the time she is 28. then wondering why at 30 she needs IVF. I don’t think it’s possible to like S%x that much anything over 20 for either gender is problematic for me.

    Doug being epic First of all different men want different things.
    Second of all players or PUA’s in particular aren’t “fair”. They want to cat around with sluts and “ruin” good girls for other men left and right, and then if they ever do settle down, go for a fresh and unjaded not yet ruined good girl — that they then ruin for anyone else, but if they settle down with her, that’s ok.
    But they’ve left a trail of beta ruin — girls with little ability to fall head over heals in love with Mr. steady eddie, who does have some degree of leadership ability, i.e. a higher beta, or male 7.

    *Chic bows to greatness*

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  132. I said, “Think of it this way…getting pumped and dumped will still leave you basically alone at 25-30.”

    To which DAU replied, “You seem to think that’s far worse than being married to beta male.”

    Fortunately, either getting pumped and dumped, or getting stuck with a self hating (psychologically as opposed to anthropologically beta) male, are not the only two options.

    All kinds of stuff can happen, but if a woman is trying to fight against nature, she’s going to lose.

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  133. one of my fave movies ever obs–i can’t hear one line of the song without bursting into tears

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  134. Push aside that insecurity about marriage, S. My family is foreign, and I was not born in the west, so I do understand.

    Nicole is right. Love is not unrealistic. And men will ask a woman they truly love for marriage. You ever hear about stories of the girl asking the guy for more commitment, and the guy balking, hesitating or even leaving? It means the guy does not love her. Don’t be that girl. Be the girl who is worthy of love and commitment from a worthwhile man.

    Focus on yourself in your early 20s. This is a time for personal growth, and I don’t mean just being formally educated and making a wage. Acquire real skills. Cook. Exercise. If you don’t have a mentor, read writings by older people. Play music, paint or take up a physical activity. Learn how to socialize in mixed groups. Get a grip on stress management and money management. Find self-discipline. Know the basic stuff that will serve you well for the rest of your life.

    When you have your own life together, when you are able to make yourself happy, and when you are a person who is nearing completion unto your own, you won’t have to look hard to find a man who recognizes what you’ve got. Then, if you can connect with him on an emotional basis in a mature, mutually respectful way, you will quite possibly have a basis for a good long-term relationship or even marriage.

    Cultivate yourself first. Relationships can come later.

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  135. C’mon O, why did you even bring up the white women aging faster thing? You know it’s going to get GNP and Willard Libby going again. This thread’s going to explode now.

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  136. whiskey:

    As for bonding, it seems that hormones released during sex lose their effectiveness in promoting bonding and intimacy the more partners one has, and this holds true BTW for both sexes.

    Oxytocin.

    By way of analogy, anyone who has ever experimented with E-tabs (MDMA) can tell you that the very first time is something magical, transformative. Many end up chasing after that original experience, all to no avail. Even when they double or triple the dosages. It simply can’t be recaptured.

    I’m not quite sure what the biochemical reason is for it, but the phenomenon exists.

    Women should take heed if they want to catch Mr. Right.

    Slutting it up takes away the “magic” of one’s formative years.

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  137. Nicole and S.,

    “Think of it this way…getting pumped and dumped will still leave you basically alone at 25-30.”

    “My real worry, and I understand there’s a lot of women older than me here that I don’t wish to offend, is still being single at 25 or even 30, for the merit of being choosy and having inflated expectations.”

    While I do agree that the easiest way to “catch” (and oh, do I hate that term) a man is to keep him waiting for sex to prove value to him, I disagree with that sentiment.

    And I also fail to see how being alone, being single, or not getting married, is bad. I’ve spent the last year turning down relationship offers because I wish to be alone, and I plan to continue doing so.

    Your value does not lie in the kind of man that desires you, or the type of man you can “catch”.

    And it’s not about being choosy or having inflated expectations. It’s knowing what makes you happy, knowing what you want, what you are able to give, and not settling for less than that because of a fear that once you hit a certain age and have not settled down (and reproduced, of course) that you’ve failed at life.

    What type of relationship would that be? Something half-satisfying driven by one’s own insecurities? Being a 30-something single parading around in revealing clothes, desperately hoping that some man, any man, will put a ring on your finger and validate you?

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  138. Obsidian,

    Those guys do not want to believe that you are an equal human being, why do you care? You cannot argue with the deluded, as they have made up their mind.

    As it is, their type has kit the skids and it is over for them. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

    Those without empathy cannot ask for it.

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  139. Question for Dave Alex:

    Recently, as we all know, your dad passed away. From what we gather of your comments about him and your family in general, we can infer that he was married to your mom for several decades, was not her first husband, and did all the things Whiskey mentioned wrt his comments on Sailer.

    So, my question to you is, would you consider your dad a victim of your gold digging mom? And I’m not trying to be insulting here. Just testing the fitness of your logic.

    Thanks for your response.

    O

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  140. femx

    As for the roaming eyes, I just want an alpha who will come back home to me after satisfying his wandering attention.

    And why would he?

    All girls can cook and clean and suck and fuck.

    Why, oh why, do you feel this entitlement?

    Yes, you’re cute. If you weren’t gay, I might fall for you.

    But you are gay.

    Damn, get it through your skull. It is not attractive to men with sexual experience to fuck lesbians. There is not the same chemistry.

    Is that complicated? You mess it up with all this alpha beta smoke puffing.

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  141. Tupac Chopra,

    You cannot run a civilization on drug fueled fantasies, whether the drug is MDMA or “love”.

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  142. anybody knows whether Auster is married or anything?

    If the guy’s a homo he hasn’t much credibility.

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  143. on August 18, 2009 at 6:35 pm Willard Libby

    Lucifer

    In some ways the UK is a good example of what happens when various races get about the same level of health care..

    Well we don’t know what the comparative levels of health care are. But yes, generally as blacks benefit more from White civilization and the richness of White technological genius and superior social systems they will have better health and success than say their African cousins.

    That’s their White privilege.

    But ultimately health care begins with the individual taking responsibility for their own lives. Blacks disproportionately behave in ways that adversely effect their own health as well as the health of other people.

    But that is something many blacks are emotionally and intellectually unable to admit.

    But my point remains. Black women generally age worse and again they start off being so inherently unattractive that it’s simply harder to detect the aging possess on the surface.

    We can all detect a beautiful flower that has become wilted.

    It’s harder to detect it in a weed.

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  144. Women should take heed if they want to catch Mr. Right.

    Mr. Right is an alpha. If you can’t secure him for a long-term relationship, then the second best choice is to fuck him and his alpha friends as much as possible. The third best choice is being single. The worst choice is to encumber one’s self in a relationship with a beta.

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  145. femx

    Is 10 partners at age 34 a lot?

    No.

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  146. xsplat is definitely a f, f, f.

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  147. on August 18, 2009 at 6:46 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    …..we can compare Halle Berry, who is in her 40s, to Crawford. I think most guys here would agree, that Berry has aged far and away better than Crawford,

    Yes, we could compare a White woman and a mixed race woman with a White mother but that would avoid the issue.

    I understand that as a black male in America you are obsessed with White women and mixed women with White ancestry. But the issue is black women not mixed women so the H. Berrys and Megan Goods of the world with their White mothers and White DNA are not the issue.

    Compare Star Jones and Whoopi Goldberg with some same age White women for starters.

    And again I was also referring to overall health not simply wrinkles and gray hair.

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  148. willard Well we don’t know what the comparative levels of health care are. But yes, generally as blacks benefit more from White civilization and the richness of White technological genius and superior social systems they will have better health and success than say their African cousins.

    you are moving the goal posts sweetums. that’s not lucifer’s point.

    But ultimately health care begins with the individual taking responsibility for their own lives.

    agreed and it’s noted that west indian and blk Africans don’t eat the same diet, drink as many calories, or amounts of food that African-americans do.

    Blacks disproportionately behave in ways that adversely effect their own health as well as the health of other people.

    if you’re posting about the gang bangers and the over eaters I agree. but you fail you mention the meth heads in the mid west as well as the chubby women I see in whole foods and trader joes buying carts of processed crap because it’s natural and healthy, see it says right here on the box.

    BTW, in your state, ladies over 30 who are built like Wendy Schwartz are a rarity. *You all* got big bitches by the truck load and it’s never their fault. The are big because:

    1. big bones
    2. it’s in the genes
    3. throid
    4. slow metabolism
    5. the children(2)*

    * forgetting that their grand and great grands had 10+ children and never weighed more than 200 lbs.

    Fun fact: some blk women may be classified as overweight because as I was told here, we have more muscle. I have friends who are about the same height but they weight 20-30 pounds more and for the most part, we wear the size clothing or they are about one size larger.

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  149. Lucifer:

    You cannot run a civilization on drug fueled fantasies, whether the drug is MDMA or “love”.

    Weren’t you the one opining about Sodini and how a society that doesn’t reward “good men” can’t expect those men to give a shit about society? I take from your comment that you agree stable nuclear families are the cornerstone of society.

    One of the (several) glues that held those arrangements together in the past was individuals marrying their sweethearts before they had a chance to become cynical and hardened by years of serial broken relationships.

    It’s true that women are hypergamous, but back then they were largely content with their husbands who were solid, upstanding men, if not necessarily life-of-the-party badboys.

    The reason they were content was because the strong emotional bonding that occurs at younger ages.

    If you take that away, then you get what we have today and are fast approaching — a world of single motherhood, broken families, etc. That IS a destruction of civilization. Is that what you want?

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  150. Poetry has some good points. You shouldn’t operate on fear. However, if being married and having kids is something you want to do, where you shouldn’t feel like a failure if you don’t, you should actually aim for the goal, and not for second best.

    Having sex with men before a commitment has been established, if what you want is a commitment, is aiming for second best. As a romantic woman, it is difficult to say no to a guy who is tripping your switches. It’s understandable to get carried away, and unless you’re religious, you probably shouldn’t have much guilt about it.

    Sometimes things do work out…but this is not something wise to bank on as an actual dating strategy. If you get carried away, you do have to understand that you are indeed taking a risk. It is a risk with odds stacked against you in a time when many men are running from responsibility and most are status jockeying within the mediocre.

    A middle class anthropological beta has the media droning into his head day in and day out that his woman’s looks are the most important thing. A pretty woman is his ticket to or validation of higher status within his social class. In some places, she also has to be the “right” ethnicity and religion as well.

    The one thing that is going to be natural about his selection aside of “objective” beauty is bonding capability. No guy who isn’t psychologically beta wants to risk getting taken to the cleaners in divorce court, or finding their wife in bed with someone else. It’s just not worth it, no matter how pretty a woman is, to bank their emotional and financial future on someone doomed to fail them, if they see it coming.

    So it’s like the song _Pimp Juice_. You want to keep your juice, you have to do what works no matter what everybody else seems to be doing or promoting. If everybody else zigs, you’ve got to zag to keep your own sexy-suitable balance tight.

    A woman with standards is and has always been more appealing than a woman without them, no matter what the riff raff has to say about it.

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  151. Joe
    C’mon O, why did you even bring up the white women aging faster thing? You know it’s going to get GNP and Willard Libby going again. This thread’s going to explode now.

    Yea, I gotta agree with you joe. I made the mistake of answering Willard dumb post anyway. In Mu’s defense, it was a repost of a comment made on another site.

    If everyone just ignores GNP & willard, they may shut up.

    funny enough, the white women here don’t seem bothered by it as much as willard and GNP. Although, without a doubt, GNP is a pure troll.

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  152. Behold the Roissy blog, purveyors of good, old-fashioned, down-home, man-catching advice! Recipes sure to land a husband to follow!

    But seriously, just as you can’t make a woman love you by buying her things or kissing her ass, you can’t make a man love you by sleeping with him. He’ll appreciate it, sure, but if you can’t get G-manifesto to buy you more than 3 lines of blow or get Roosh to shave, chances are you shouldn’t put out and instead should strike out for different pastures. On the other hand, maybe you can be the one female out of 1000 that ages like Demi Moore and can have it all including a carousel of hot guys stroking your ego until you land in the nursing home.

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  153. Willard is movin the goalposts indeed, Chic.

    Please notice how he has not answerd ANY of my questions, nor has read closely my original statements, which actually was an endorsement of most White Men’s preferences for very young White Women.

    Moreover the discussion, here or over on Ferdinand’s blog where I got my comments from, was in any way about Black American medical issues.

    Let’s see if he’ll ape Bojangles again:

    Willard, are you familiar w/the Bazaar magazine issue I’ve mentioned?

    Do you agree or disagree that Halle Berry looks far better agewise, than Cindy Crawford? Keep in mind now, that they are roughly the same age (both just over 40 years of age).

    Again-your response?

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  154. S. and Poetry,

    I think sex is always better with an emotional connection. Even Roissy himself is a self-proclaimed passionate romantic.

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  155. Willard,

    Replies below:

    “Obsidian

    …..we can compare Halle Berry, who is in her 40s, to Crawford. I think most guys here would agree, that Berry has aged far and away better than Crawford,”

    Yes, we could compare a White woman and a mixed race woman with a White mother but that would avoid the issue.

    O: No, it would not, because by the rules set down by people who look like you, “one drop of Black blood, makes you Black”. By all accounts, andby her own statements, Halle Berry is Black. Do you agree or disagree that she has weathered the years better or worse, than Cindy Crawford, sir? Yes or no?

    W: I understand that as a black male in America you are obsessed with White women and mixed women with White ancestry. But the issue is black women not mixed women so the H. Berrys and Megan Goods of the world with their White mothers and White DNA are not the issue.

    O: What I am or am not “obsessed with” isn’t the issue here. Jill Scott definitely has some White ancestry, as does Beyonce’, etc et al. In fact, virtually all African Americans have at least some White ancestry. Ok, I’ll tell you what, let’s do it this way:

    Iman, or Cindy Crawford, who has aged better? And keep in mind, the former has had kids!

    Your response, sir?

    W: Compare Star Jones and Whoopi Goldberg with some same age White women for starters.

    O: Indeed; both have markedly fewer wrinkles that Joy Behar.

    W: And again I was also referring to overall health not simply wrinkles and gray hair.

    O: Yes, but as we all know, youth tends to correlate w/beauty, which in turn, tends to correlate w/good health. You’re focused on a subset of Black America, who indeed have significant health problems-but so too does many White Women, particularly those from the Southern states, where obesity and the like is rife.

    Looking forward to your response.

    O

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  156. Nicole,

    Agreed, regarding following your dreams. And sleeping with a man in hopes of getting him to commit… yeah, that’s a bit beyond laughable and tends to have the complete opposite effect.

    Perseus,

    I think it depends on the kind of sex you’re looking for, whether or not an emotional connection adds to the experience or detracts from it.

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  157. Thank you. I did have that urge, years ago, to get entangled, to be in love, to fall in love, to preserve myself for marriage.

    Then I decided it was a sort of weakness, so I burned it out of me.

    Poetry, wow. How can that happen? From what you wrote about your experience being in love, it seemed like you are still looking for love.

    How is being in love a weakness? Love strengthens and supports; it does not weaken. It is something that makes you soar, the very essence of energy that makes life possible.

    It seems to me that you have fallen into a sort of despair, and you have embraced this plunge into darkness and have rejected the love that you once knew.

    You have written that you are an adamant atheist… nihilistic perhaps. I was once like that, too. I’ve found spirituality, initially by reading a fiction novel that touches on philosophy and metaphysics.

    There’s this thing called love — it’s positive, light and infinite. Love is in all of us. You should really give it another try.

    Yeah, I might be fooling myself with all this. It might just be feel good new age mumbo jumbo. That’s what other people here will likely tell me. But to claim that we can know absolutely everything is just as silly, don’t ya think?

    There is a whole world out there that we cannot directly perceive. Science is just starting to discover some of it via imaging, quantum calculations and various theories. But at some level… it all starts to look like mysticism.

    /end wacky mode

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  158. GNP, Willard, Obsidian-

    Can we please not turn this thread into another back and forth racial bait fest.

    I don’t at the moment care who started it on this thread. It hasn’t yet gotten going too much so let’s leave it right here.

    We all know most black guys but not all prefer black girls for various “reasons” but in the end just because they do, and that most white guys prefer white girls first and asians ones second, for whatever “reasons”. So let’s just leave it there. To each their own.

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  159. What Hope says is why I’ll always opt for love. Whatever it is – biological, socially constructed, or not even real – it feels pretty damn good.

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  160. All I know is I’ll still bang the GaGa.

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  161. Why do they hit such a hard wall after being the creme of the crop?

    They don’t. Post-menopausal women look like shit everywhere in the world, including Russia. Many Russian women past 35 age relatively well, in some ways, as their lifestyle (= lack of supersized portions in restaurants, fewer convenience meals, more walking in daily life) keeps them from getting as fat as Americans and many other westerners at all ages.

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  162. Focus on yourself in your early 20s. This is a time for personal growth, and I don’t mean just being formally educated and making a wage. Acquire real skills. Cook. Exercise. If you don’t have a mentor, read writings by older people. Play music, paint or take up a physical activity. Learn how to socialize in mixed groups. Get a grip on stress management and money management. Find self-discipline. Know the basic stuff that will serve you well for the rest of your life.

    Where I come from girls do that in their girlhood and teens. By the time they are 20-21, they are serious about finding husband-material. Single 26-year-olds are pitied as old maids.

    Men love thier wives best and longest when we had them in their best years. My wife will look 22 to me, the age I met her, even 50 years from now.

    You are smart Hope, and you mean well. But you are giving S. horrible advice. Your outlook was darker, but more real, when you were with your husband.

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  163. Re. Auster: I couln’t care less that he is a creationist. Just like I don’t care that Camille Paglia has goofy or incomplete thinking on “diversity.” I value Paglia for her effective anti-Feminism and Auster for his national identity / immigration / race points.

    Is he a closet homo, as someone wondered? The prissy, pissy, pouty personality certainly points that way.

    As awful as he is in many regards, he is irreplaceable on the salient topics.

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  164. Agreed doug, let’s talk about all things yum instead 🙂

    just teasing

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  165. Tupac,

    Yes, a nuclear family like structure is necessary, but it cannot be like the one we had. That concept cannot work anymore.

    Maybe something inbetween large families and the nuclear family.

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  166. collegeboy
    All I know is I’ll still bang the GaGa.

    schoolboy you got some freak in you.

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  167. PA,

    Where do you come from?

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  168. @S

    PA = polish alpha

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  169. i think auster is an asexual neuter–a natural born eunuch. not gay. my great uncle was like that, an intellectual and poet in new york

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  170. Hope,

    “How can that happen?”

    With precision. When you assign value to an activity, you make it special. It becomes a semi-sacred thing. You take away the value by demeaning it, by engaging it in, by assigning it other value or no value through experience. This is what I did. I was 16. I looked around and said, “I am not going to be this way.”

    It was… a decently horrific experience. But I’d do it again without a second thought.

    “From what you wrote about your experience being in love, it seemed like you are still looking for love.”

    I am. I’m not actively pursuing it, but I am open and hopeful that one day I will stumble across someone I could trust, respect, serve, and love. But right now I wish to focus on me, on being as physically and mentally healthy as I can, on getting my life and finances together, on getting my Master’s. I do not have time for love right now, though I know I would be unwilling to turn it away should I come across it tomorrow.

    “How is being in love a weakness?”

    Being in love is not necessarily a weakness. Being in a healthy relationship is wonderful. However, as it has been pointed out time and time again, and not just on this site, women are (supposedly) unstable, emotional, illogical creatures, driven by their hearts, their ‘gina-tingles, easily duped by the practiced PUA, used and tossed because they’re too inexperienced and naive to recognize the signs.

    “It seems to me that you have fallen into a sort of despair…”

    No. When I was younger, yes. An angry, destructive girl. Total despair. I haven’t been that way for years. I’m quite happy, have been for some time.

    “You have written that you are an adamant atheist… nihilistic perhaps.”

    Adamant, no. I’m an -apathetic- atheist. I don’t talk about my views, I don’t enforce them on others. Nihilism… shrug.

    People love in different ways. There isn’t just one way to be, one way to love. I believe in love, I believe in it strongly.

    But I’m taking my time.

    Besides, you’ve seen my blog, you’ve seen my comments here. Men in life adore me, even knowing what they do about my history. And I could easily pick one of them and happily get into a decently healthy relationship with someone I get along with but can never have that deep connect with because I the way I am, because of the lifestyle I chose to pursue. I run across about one man every year or two that I’m willing and able to seriously date. It’s a bit difficult, but I do not mind overmuch.

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  171. Heh, I picked my nickname “PA” because it stands for Pennsylvania, but I like your idea Chic. I’m 1/2 rural folk (dad’s side); we’re still old school there.

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  172. dana
    i think auster is an asexual neuter–a natural born eunuch. not gay.

    Yes, auster is the deacon in the church of DA.

    J/k

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  173. Auster is Don Imus to Roissy’s Howard Stern.

    And we commenters are Roissy’s “Wack Pack”

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  174. @PA, I think I stole polish alpha from bhetti.

    @dana- they are currently having a bake sale to finance a trip to visit the shakers.

    fyi, dana don’t eat the cream pie.

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  175. One more thing about Russian/EE women: even in WWII created a reproductive climate where only hot women reproduced, Stalinist repressions, which targeted anyone middle class, educated, or even intelligent-looking, would have counteracted the post-WWII selective pressures favoring beauty by culling the land of anyone but the sturdiest, hardiest, dullest of primitives.

    In the Ukraine, millions of peasants starved to death in a famine manufactured by the communists. Ukranian peasantry had resisted the forced collectivizations so they had to be mass murdered. Similar mass murders of peasants took place in the lower part of the Volga river in Russia. National minorities were also a target. What the world really needs is Hollywood make movie after another on communist atrocities in Eastern Europe and China. Fat chance that ever happening with Castro’s dick sucking leftist fucks like Oliver Stone dominating Hollywood.

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  176. PA

    Men love thier wives best and longest when we had them in their best years. My wife will look 22 to me, the age I met her, even 50 years from now.

    How old are you, PA? You seem wise and worldly, but now I suppose you are a wise and worldly twenty something?

    Every five years, you will look back on yourself and wonder what the fuck you were thinking.

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  177. chic, you are adorable

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  178. How old are you, PA?

    38 and his wife is 23.

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  179. I’m in my late 30s.

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  180. “I’m not refuting the claim, but is there evidence that a woman with a certain number of partners loses her bonding ability? I’ve seen this idea tossed around here quite a bit and am wondering about the background.”

    I also strongly believe it’s true from personal experience with women. And most in the double digits are not mentally “solid”.

    Its just like an employee who has had 10 different jobs before.

    They are inherently less committed.

    I think the reason is neuroplasticity

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  181. She’s in mer mid/late 20s, not 23.

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  182. dana
    chic, you are adorable

    *smiles sweetly*

    thank you dana

    marku What the world really needs is Hollywood make movie after another on communist atrocities in Eastern Europe and China

    agreed

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  183. PA
    She’s in mer mid/late 20s, not 23.

    my bad

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  184. O: “Do you agree or disagree that Halle Berry looks far better agewise, than Cindy Crawford? Keep in mind now, that they are roughly the same age (both just over 40 years of age).”

    I think Crawford is considerably more attractive than Halle Berry. Your mileage may vary.

    But, in any event, these are outliers. Comparing them doesn’t tell us much of anything.

    In general, when I see an attractive MILF, she is almost always white. In fact, I’ll go so far as to say always, at least in person. My metropolitan area is heavy with blacks, and I truly can’t remember the last time I saw an attractive black female that wasn’t at least under 30, and more likely well under 25.

    Again, I’m sure mileage varies, and just as comparing outliers tells us very little, perhaps so do my anecdotes. But I’ll still say this: amongst the white guys that I know, middle aged black women (in real life, not TV personalities) are simply invisible. They don’t even register on the radar. No MILF comments, no “I’d do her” snickers. Nothing. It wouldn’t even occur to them to rate one on a scale of 1 to 10.

    Not so with a subset of attractive older white women. These do get noticed, they have not become invisible sexually. Now, again, these are a minority of white women – most older women are sexually invisible to most guys. But of the few that aren’t, they seem to be overwhelmingly white.

    Now, I will say that amongst the brothers in my social circle, some older black women can still elicit a bit of a positive reaction. Not much, but some. In my experience, there is at least some racial dynamic to taste and notions of attractiveness. I’ve been around enough blacks to observe this repeatedly. The brothers definitely have some tolerance for the extra poundage. I tease one black friend of mine, when he’s with an attractive younger black woman, “Enjoy it now, dude. You know she’s gonna head to Beulah Land soon enough.” In fairness, he teases me about “your women” (by which he means white women in general) who he claims in time begin to look like little men. LOL!

    Perhaps people are getting too caught up in the details, such as who tends to get crow’s feet first. But that’s not the decisive thing: an older woman with a great body, perfectly shaped face, and so forth can stand a line or two around the eyes. It’s not going to wipe out her looks entirely.

    Of course, that’s a fairly rare beauty. Most girls benefit enormously from the fresh faced look, and when that is gone it is gone. The ship sails, and it ain’t coming back.

    At the end of the day, I’ll take some crow’s feet over a romp in Beulah Land.

    What matters is overall appearance and whether a woman retains any level of meaningful sexual allure, at least enough to elicit a “Hell, I’d fuck her” from one of the guys. Even the Halle Berry is Awesome Brigade of white guys, in my experience, almost never notice a black female OTHER than Halle Berry. I worked with a white guy once who thought Berry was just the cat’s pajamas. This was a guy who saw literally hundreds of middle aged women every day, probably at least half of them black. In the years that we talked women, he never mentioned a single black female – other than Halle. Not a single one. But middle aged white women? Yep, he noticed big time. My verdict: white women age better – but almost all women age poorly. Being a good looking older woman is sort of like winning the Special Olympics – impressive, but the competition was a little weak.

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  185. on August 18, 2009 at 8:03 pm aussie girl in australia

    O,

    “To Sir with Love” gives some great all-round advice for men and women. “Sir” was my first major crush as a young girl (age 9 or 10 I think).

    I was lucky, my Dad gave me similar advice – though without using the word slut lol!

    Aussie Girl

    BTW, you know you read this blog too often when you actually dream about Roissy! (as I did last night)

    [editor: was a giant three story obelisk involved? yep, that was me.]

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  186. aussie girl in australia

    don’t feel bad, his eating comment made me smile delightfully while in the company of grandparents last night.

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  187. This is after six large and shamefully calorie packed beers:

    Poetry of Flesh

    How is being in love a weakness?”

    Being in love is not necessarily a weakness. Being in a healthy relationship is wonderful. However, as it has been pointed out time and time again, and not just on this site, women are (supposedly) unstable, emotional, illogical creatures, driven by their hearts, their ‘gina-tingles, easily duped by the practiced PUA, used and tossed because they’re too inexperienced and naive to recognize the signs.

    “It seems to me that you have fallen into a sort of despair…”

    No. When I was younger, yes. An angry, destructive girl. Total despair. I haven’t been that way for years. I’m quite happy, have been for some time.

    “You have written that you are an adamant atheist… nihilistic perhaps.”

    Adamant, no. I’m an -apathetic- atheist. I don’t talk about my views, I don’t enforce them on others. Nihilism… shrug.

    People love in different ways. There isn’t just one way to be, one way to love. I believe in love, I believe in it strongly.

    But I’m taking my time.

    Poetry,

    Never mind. I’m not going to pull an O this time. Or even an Xsplat. No advice at all.

    By the way, a stint in nihilism is expected for all thinkers.

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  188. Big beers. Similar to two measly western puny little beers.

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  189. I’m really confused about what men want in terms of numbers. I oscillate between feeling obligated to be totally chaste, and then wanting to be very experienced.

    @S —

    For casual sex, guys prefer experienced — hopefully better performance.

    For long term bonding, prefer less so — less cuckolding risk.

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  190. Xsplat,

    I’m shocked by your beer consumption, sir. Simply shocked.

    Also, my belief system tends to resemble nihilism in base. I just choose not to discuss it. Hence the “shrug”.

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  191. to lighten the mood for a moment.

    lets go back to eating. this guy right here ….

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  192. So, my question to you is, would you consider your dad a victim of your gold digging mom? And I’m not trying to be insulting here. Just testing the fitness of your logic.

    Sadly, there’s a part of me that feels that he is a victim like most other men…

    but back then they were largely content with their husbands who were solid, upstanding men, if not necessarily life-of-the-party badboys

    Tupac, must you take the blue pill too?

    Men love thier wives best and longest when we had them in their best years. My wife will look 22 to me, the age I met her, even 50 years from now.

    Oh look, another blue pill swallower.

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  193. Nova

    @S –

    For casual sex, guys prefer experienced — hopefully better performance.

    For long term bonding, prefer less so — less cuckolding risk.

    Exactly. I had a dream about that last night. And I dreampt I had some insight to give to the Roissy board. As per most dream insights, it can’t be remembered after I wake up.

    You said it, but didn’t infer the male component. Different men have different confidence regarding cuckolding risk, and different concern.

    Some of us don’t give a damn. And doubt the girl could do better.

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  194. on August 18, 2009 at 8:21 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    O: No, it would not, because by the rules set down by people who look like you, “one drop of Black blood, makes you Black”. By all accounts, and by her own statements, Halle Berry is Black.

    I set the rules and the comparison is black females to White females. No half breeds. No evasion.

    O: What I am or am not “obsessed with” isn’t the issue here. Jill Scott definitely has some White ancestry, as does Beyonce’, etc et al. In fact, virtually all African Americans have at least some White ancestry.

    Most Americans blacks have very little White ancestry, some have a lot, some have essentially none.

    A mixed race woman who actually has a White mother as opposed to one White great, great, great grandfather is not an acceptable candidate for comparison.

    W: Compare Star Jones and Whoopi Goldberg with some same age White women for starters.

    O: Indeed; both have markedly fewer wrinkles that Joy Behar.

    Star Jones born 1962, Whoopi born 1955, Joyless Behar born 1943.

    All three are hideous. Whoopi barely looks human.

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  195. There’s this thing called love — it’s positive, light and infinite. Love is in all of us. You should really give it another try.

    @ Hope —

    “Falling in love” is simply an evolved neurochemical process designed to encourage mating. It has no deeper value. yes, it feels good (at times — can also feel rotten at times), and so does an orgasm. No value attached.

    Loving someone for the long term is a decision — it requires work and effort. It is not based on feelings as much as it is based on determination, because feelings wax and wane.

    Much of the instability in long term relationships and marriages in our culture is based in misunderstandings about these things.

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  196. Poetry, my base assumptions went through the most beautiful butterfly transformations.

    But now they are also nearly nihilistic. Close enough.

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  197. @PA,

    didn’t mean to freak you out earlier. I just have this habit of remembering things in a very vivid way. It’s something that men seem to like about me in the non e-world. My ability to recall the most banal conversation they may have had with me(detail to detail), makes them feel special.

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  198. Chic–

    Bhetti knows someone in real life at her uni, who’s always been just a friend to her in a sort of big brother/little sister relationship, who’s Polish and who she started calling Polish Alpha when referring to him to me, before she started using names with me and just letting everything out.

    Then she abbreviated that to PA. Then she went “wait, what”? I wonder if that’s why the forum “PA” calls himself that. He is Polish after all. She floated it; he said no it’s from the state. You picked it up.

    Actually since she went rather nuts for me and started bubbling over with happiness and joking quips all the time in her circles, her mother decided she must have fallen in love with this PA in her life (using his name not that moniker which is just between us) and this PA has started acting not just big bro but attracted as well, even though he’s super determined to only be with Polish girls, as a sort of life mission. So that’s lead to her having to manage that some.

    Love happiness is contagious.

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  199. No worries Chic. You in fact earned yourself an honorable mention on my Commenters Awards list a week or two ago.

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  200. on August 18, 2009 at 8:29 pm Willard Libby

    Which Star Jones do you prefer?

    The hippo or the starving wildebeest?

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  201. Xsplat,

    I can only imagine.

    Send me sperm so I can reproduce tiny nihilist babies that drink large beer and sleep around.

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  202. even though he’s super determined to only be with Polish girls, as a sort of life mission

    I knew I can only marry a compatriot when an American girl I was dating didn’t appreciate the sublimity of this classic 1982 hit:

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  203. I’d like to amend my request for sperm.

    Send me sperm so I can reproduce tiny nihilist babies that drink large beer and sleep around.*

    *Only if you are hot. Because, as we have learned, if a woman has ugly babies she will not love them and I don’t want to be stuck with an ugly, unlovable baby.**

    **Unless it’s a boy. And then I will name it Hugh Grant and send it into the world of acting.

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  204. doug-Love happiness is contagious
    *sigh*
    yes it is and it’s the reason I enjoy the flirting that goes on around here

    @PA- thank you my good man, would you happen to have a link?

    @ Willard Libby- you can’t have it both ways. either she is fat or thin, make up your mind. Then again, I think you prefer medium sized women.

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  205. aussie girl–

    I was lucky, my Dad gave me similar advice – though without using the word slut lol!

    The word slut should most definitely be used. All the time.

    I don’t by any means always use it as a perjorative.

    Sluts can be a lot of fun. There are also lots of different kinds of sluts.

    btw, I don’t absolutely preclude the possibility of sluts becoming very good wives.

    Hookers can in fact. They can decide they’re just done with that. Same with sluts.

    I think both have difficulty with a certain kind of bonding, but they can just decide to be loyal and loving and “in love” with a good man who’s good enough in bed. I.e. they can make a sort of mature decision and might stick with it.

    They’re unlikely to fall head over heals in love though. Or to go ga ga for any man, etc.

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  206. For casual sex, guys prefer experienced — hopefully better performance.

    Isn’t that the best kind of sex?

    For long term bonding, prefer less so — less cuckolding risk.

    No beta love can surpass the immense intensity and passion of the alpha cock.

    Where I come from girls do that in their girlhood and teens. By the time they are 20-21, they are serious about finding husband-material.

    You can’t do that stuff in your teens because you’re still dependent on your parents for finances and you’re under the authority. The whole purpose of one’s twenties is to enjoy life before one becomes old and weak and a frail shadow of their previous selves.

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  207. doug

    So that’s lead to her having to manage that some.

    Love happiness is contagious.

    Are not movies quite engaging. Isn’t cyberlove real.

    I won’t say, but I chose my cut off point of what is real, and it’s not real unless I can smell the woman and unless my dick is inside enough times to ensure emotional connection.

    Cyberlove?

    Come on. Seriously. Get over yourself. Are you 12?

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  208. Doug1,

    My head-over-heels gaga love was probably my 35th partner. Maybe 40th. I don’t really know. Somewhere in that range.

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  209. Obsidian, you’re not going to convince Willard or GNP of anything because despite the objective aspects of beauty across ethnicity, social value trumps aesthetic value for the majority. They will think whatever, but will only speak/write in favor of their preferred social category.

    It isn’t a crime, and is actually quite noble for civilized men invested in their societies to sacrifice in this way. If the programming is done well, they may even successfully convince themselves.

    Don’t try to open their minds. The best that can happen is that you would make them more willing to exploit women they consider inferior…and when that happens well, things like what happened to me happen.

    I would much rather be rejected by such people. Let them believe that I and all women who look like me are totally unfuckable, rather than fuckable but not worth treating with respect according to our character.

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  210. on August 18, 2009 at 8:48 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Wow, do women actually worry about this? It’s very simple, no man accepts your number whether it’s 1 or 10,000 because they have EGOS. That’s why it is totally pointless to tell him.

    Second you don’t talk about that shit with girlfriends, bfs, male friends, etc because that’s how your number gets found out and then you either have to lie or do what that dumb did and say “if he loved you he’d accept your number”.

    There isn’t a person alive on this earth other than myself that knows my number and yet I’ve never once lied about it. I have never answered the question and never asked it of a man. It has never EVER stopped a man from being in LTR’s with me just because I didn’t answer.

    Women are so dumb in the way they feel like just because their man ASKS, they have to answer??? Ladies, this is a male version of a SHIT TEST and if you tell him it’s none of his business, guess what? 9 out of 10 won’t ever ask you again. They don’t REALLY want to know and honestly I never even realized this was an issue that girls worry about.

    (Furthermore you never EVER date men that live within a half hour radius of you….that’s how lies, rumors, and gossip about you happen. Keep them spread out far and wide and never EVER date a dude you work with.)

    It simply ISNT anyone’s business how many partners a man/woman has had and as long as you are clean and STD free, that’s the only question a man/woman has the right to ask you.

    If you answer a man on numbers, you are simply giving into something that you don’t have to….but don’t EVER ask his number or it’s free game. ( I genuinely am not interested in knowing a guy’s numbers so I guess that’s why it doesn’t matter to me much)

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  211. PA-

    I don’t understand a word of it of course but it does clearly have soul.

    Polish blues.

    What’s the lament?

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  212. PA–

    Bhetti was a conteder for Sexiest Female Commenter until she revealed herself as not being blessed with perfect A-cup or B-cup boobies.

    Rank narrow mindedness!

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  213. Doug1,
    I think both have difficulty with a certain kind of bonding, but they can just decide to be loyal and loving and “in love” with a good man who’s good enough in bed. I.e. they can make a sort of mature decision and might stick with it.

    sure.

    or, they could be paired off with the type of guy who will let them satisfy their slut urges, in a very very controlled type of environment.

    example: i know a really big, really intimidating dude who’s married to a girl who’s done porn, etc. he keeps her on a really tight leash, often literally, but every now-and-then he’ll offer her up for a gangbang. like he’ll tell her who she’s going to fuck, and she doesn’t have any other choice than to say yes.

    to most people this just sounds like cuckold / cheating wife / whatever, but in their case it works. he is still the one in full control. of everything. but he channels her sluttiness, and i guess it’s just a good thing for all involved.
    she would never ever go behind his back. just no. i don’t even think she would go into the refrigerator without his permission.

    needless to say, he gets to fuck whoever else he wants, including most of her friends, whenever he wants.

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  214. Rank narrow mindedness!

    Let that beta worship flow Mister Alpha.

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  215. i know a really big, really intimidating dude

    The magical power of an alpha can defy anything.

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  216. It’s a song of regret over love that ended. It has a number of really evocative lines.

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  217. *sigh*
    johhny five is back.

    wants to give Johnny a hug but is very afraid*

    schoolboy this^^^ is what you will become if you continue down the road of freakiness.

    thanks PA

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  218. J5 needless to say, he gets to fuck whoever else he wants, including most of her friends, whenever he wants.

    then those women are not her friends. Al,anony,mandyxd back me up on this.

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  219. then those women are not her friends. Al,anony,mandyxd back me up on this

    Sharing the alpha will make the jealousy dissipate, and let your friendships bloom. It’s probably more fun to talk about fucking an alpha than complaining about beta husbands.

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  220. @PA- how can GNP be the funnist when he repeats the same thing over and over and over again. I would give the funniest award to Tupac and (non flaming) Willard.

    There is a funny female in these parts but her name escapes me at the moment.

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  221. Hold on now…J5 has a point. He’s talking about people in one of those abnormal communities of people who don’t go without sex because they don’t have the hangups most folks do.

    …and they usually pair off before the wall hits them well and good, but still have fun with each other over the years.

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  222. DA reading from the book of david in the betatonian bible

    Sharing the alpha will make the jealousy dissipate, and let your friendships bloom. It’s probably more fun to talk about fucking an alpha than complaining about beta husbands.

    I know damn well you don’t mean this DA so I won’t give you a response.

    *throws holly water from the chruch of betatonian on DA*

    wtf, this crap smells like piss!

    *gives DA the evil eye*

    nicole He’s talking about people in one of those abnormal communities of people who don’t go without sex because they don’t have the hangups most folks do.

    So her friends are from abnormal community too??? If so, 5 bucks says if the husband pisses on/in anything but the toilet, he can start a small fire.

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  223. I know damn well you don’t mean this DA so I won’t give you a response.

    Das Es, das Ich, und das Über-Ich. Wer spricht für David?

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  224. Chic, swingers and other freaks come in all genders. It’s likely that most of her close friends are in the community.

    Sometimes they’re specific interest communities, and sometimes they’re made of people who grew up together and sometimes there’s overlap of both. I know a group of young freaks here who went to high school together, and they grew into being the backbone of a few niches in the area.

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  225. on August 18, 2009 at 9:21 pm Dolph Grundlen

    Here’s another Daily Mail article that supports much of what’s been argued by Roissy and others here already:

    “Women prefer to work for male bosses… because they’re ‘better managers and less prone to moods'”

    The reason given by women in the headline is undoubtedly true, although there is another factor that of course goes unmentioned in the article, but should be familiar to readers here. Women want alpha cock at the top of the corporate hierarchy. It’s kind of like a corporate harem model. Mid and lower level management is increasingly composed of women. These women are able to attain financial independence that allows them to dispense with the classic beta provider. These mid/lower management positions are provided for by the upper echelon of elite alpha males who provide the women with the financial wherewithal (indirectly of course, through the company and ultimately out of shareholders’ pockets) and “manage” their “work.”

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  226. These women are able to attain financial independence that allows them to dispense with the classic beta provider.

    Which is great for everybody. Women no longer need to prey on beta men who have never been told the truth that they have no value as partners. Beta males can be freed to be happy on their own terms in lieu of working away for golddiggers who are incapable of loving them.

    Fuck anybody who threatens to upset this system.

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  227. Women want alpha cock at the top of the corporate hierarchy. It’s kind of like a corporate harem model. Mid and lower level management is increasingly composed of women. These women are able to attain financial independence that allows them to dispense with the classic beta provider. These mid/lower management positions are provided for by the upper echelon of elite alpha males who provide the women with the financial wherewithal (indirectly of course, through the company and ultimately out of shareholders’ pockets) and “manage” their “work.”

    @Dolph —

    Definitely. Corporations are becoming virtual harems. Alphas at the top (probably always will be there, as in politics as well). Women in the managerial harems below them. And all other men under the alpha boots and the stilletto heels of the females in the managerial harem. Not sustainable long term, but for the women and the alphas now, it’s the perfect model for both.

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  228. it’s the perfect model for both

    It’s the perfect model for beta males because it frees them from the responsibility of having to take care of wives and children. Why are you against male freedom?

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  229. DA It’s the perfect model for beta males because it frees them from the responsibility of having to take care of wives and children.

    *sigh*
    l’ll bite DA.

    You like children so why are you against having a few. You seem to take great joy in playing with your brother’s children.

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  230. Corporations are becoming virtual harems

    I’m not seeing corporations developing any alpha female cadre. It’s still mostly male — leader of men alpha guys — and then a sliding scale of men at various levels on technical and/or management positions.

    Virtually all women are in non-billable or admin positions, with a some in technial and fewer in management roles.

    But our cirsumstances might be different.

    Pre-90s they probably were more harem-like, with senior mgt types banging the hot secretaries. Today there is sexul harassment hiseria and fewer hotties in low positions.

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  231. johnny 5

    example: i know a really big, really intimidating dude who’s married to a girl who’s done porn, etc. he keeps her on a really tight leash, often literally, but every now-and-then he’ll offer her up for a gangbang. like he’ll tell her who she’s going to fuck, and she doesn’t have any other choice than to say yes.

    to most people this just sounds like cuckold / cheating wife / whatever, but in their case it works. he is still the one in full control. of everything. but he channels her sluttiness, and i guess it’s just a good thing for all involved.
    she would never ever go behind his back. just no. i don’t even think she would go into the refrigerator without his permission.

    Yeah.

    I think this requires a very D/s relationship to work at all well. Otherwise the ease with which “unleashed” sluts can get cock, and high quality cock when it’s on a no strings or on call basis, can really mess up the dynamics – of e.g. a more usual vanilla relationship. I.e. the guy is really likely to get pussified and well, treated as cuckold. She’ll lose respect and sexual attraction though perhaps liking the paycheck and security.

    I’ve done stuff like that with fuck buddy slut girls.

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  232. PA-

    I’m not seeing corporations developing any alpha female cadre. It’s still mostly male — leader of men alpha guys — and then a sliding scale of men at various levels on technical and/or management positions.

    No I’m not seeing it that much either.

    There are a whole lot more women in advertising and public relations though. ANd of course book publishing and magazines. Journalism generally.

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  233. Nicole, I’ve read about such people online as well seen them on those HBO after dark documentaries, but I have a hard time believing they really exist.

    Like, I found it so shocking the first time I read/heard of women liking to be choked during “the act”. It’s stupid cube for a woman to allow a very large man to play such a dangerous game with her life. Imagine how strong a man of Maurice, Wellmer or Roissy’s size is compared to the average woman… Yikes.

    Even Pastor beta (DA) could choke the life out of an average sized woman.

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  234. And all other men under the alpha boots and the stilletto heels of the females in the managerial harem

    Find your Wellesley Queen, and you too may find yourself in the Inner Party.

    You like children so why are you against having a few.

    Several reasons:

    1) HBD/race realism
    2) I’ll never make enough to raise them properly
    3) I’m much too shy and timid
    4) I’m sub-human

    Even Pastor beta (DA) could choke the life out of an average sized woman.

    The average woman would choke me if I ever infringed myself on her in a sexual manner.

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  235. I’ve done stuff like that with fuck buddy slut girls.

    Stupid Question: Do you demand loyalty from your fuck buddy slut girls, or do you give them free reign to fuck as they please?

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  236. Novaseeker–

    Women in the managerial harems below them. And all other men under the alpha boots and the stilletto heels of the females in the managerial harem.

    I’m not seeing it. Lots more men in middle management in most big corps than women. There are some women who don’t seem like they really deserve being there, and there is the phenomenon of men underlings often doing a lot of womens (and black’s) work but then they tend to not advance much but get shuffled.

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  237. chic noir–

    Like, I found it so shocking the first time I read/heard of women liking to be choked during “the act”. It’s stupid cube for a woman to allow a very large man to play such a dangerous game with her life. Imagine how strong a man of Maurice, Wellmer or Roissy’s size is compared to the average woman… Yikes.

    The bigger the guy, so long as he’s got half a brain, the more careful he’s likely to tend to be. We know damn well how much we could really hurt a girl.

    We don’t want to chic. We want to dominate her in a thrilling way. Her surrender makes us want to yes take it further, but then caress her and take care of her and gentle her. She’s put herself in our hands. We cherish that.

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  238. @PA —

    Yeah it depends on the industry. In my industry, women are indeed colonizing middle management quite effectively, while alpha males retain the top positions.

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  239. on August 18, 2009 at 9:59 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir

    @ Willard Libby- you can’t have it both ways. either she is fat or thin, make up your mind.

    She’s been both. She’s hideous either way.

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  240. Nova – are these women competent middle managers?

    I generally see female middle managers fall into one of two categories: (1) quietly competent, hands-off and somewhat motherly, generally decent to work for; (2) a chaotic, moody bitch who doesn’t last long in her position due to the male and female subordinates’ vociferlus complaints to upper management.

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  241. I’ll add type (3) balls of steel, male-brain, but very fair. I imagine Dana woudl be like that as a middle manager.

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  242. willard kindly post a picture of yourself.

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  243. David Alexander-

    Stupid Question: Do you demand loyalty from your fuck buddy slut girls, or do you give them free reign to fuck as they please?

    I haven’t had an infinite number of them. It’s also sort of definitional. I.e. there’ve been girls I’m friendly with that I could basically get to see me and screw with me any time I wanted “for old times sake” or whatever (though someday she was going to fall really in love and it would all end), but didn’t very much. Do you count those? In those cases, free reign. Though I could usually get them to throw a fuck to a buddy in need who wasn’t too pathetic as a favor. I want you to understand though, I LIKED these girls. I also never said I’m only gonna get serious with good girls, but there’s always that suspicion and I never really completely denied it either.

    In one case though for awhile at least she gave me total loyalty and wouldn’t do anyone else without permission or more like direction. Well sometimes one, sometimes the other. But I wanted her to a lot just for the freak of it. Was a bid for more attention from me mostly I think and worked for awhile.

    These things are self reinforcing. You get into a groove and a mode and girls think of you that way more and more, so it’s easy.

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  244. Nova – are these women competent middle managers?

    I generally see female middle managers fall into one of two categories: (1) quietly competent, hands-off and somewhat motherly, generally decent to work for; (2) a chaotic, moody bitch who doesn’t last long in her position due to the male and female subordinates’ vociferlus complaints to upper management.

    That pretty much sums it up, PA. Although the 2’s can last longish if they are properly connected upwards — if they can manage up effectively they can stay in position despite their mistreatment of their reports. Also it’s very hard to remove women these days absent clear and demonstrated malfeasance due to lawsuit risk and EEOC type claims.

    I’ve had a few 1s, who were fine, if a bit feminist and having to put up with some of that jargon was irritating.

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  245. Oh and the 3s are fine — they “get” men, so they’re fine.

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  246. Chic, it is probably as hard for you to believe as the existence of a homosexual community was for some in the past. Things are more relaxed than they used to be though, and it has even gotten to the point where many more official groups of freaks have become somewhat obsolete. People with common interests actually talk about these things as a normal part of getting to know each other, and if you’re not into it, they’re just not going to tell you much about it.

    There are gateway scenes that are pretty mainstream, and those who want to go deeper, just go.

    There’s a club I go to from time to time that used to be an old movie theater. It has three sections, but the basement is where the action is. Folks go there from various scenes, but by the end of the night (actually morning) the freaks end up way downstairs until dawn. It’s kind of funny because early on, they play the newer stuff for the kids, but by around 0300 it’s old Cure, Depeche Mode, NIN, etc. and waifish girls floating around like ghosts among the thinned out crowd in cut up sheer white dresses and black lace-up boots.

    It’s beautiful.

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  247. @PA,

    I just saw that other thread. Thanks, man. Not to create the Mutual Admiration Society, but just a few weeks ago I was talking to a fellow Roissy reader about the best commenters here. For us, it was you and Whiskey.

    When I first discovered the blog, Roissy’s sharp wit and insight kept me coming back. Not to mention that the sumbitch can write, a rarity amongst bloggers.

    But once I started reading the comments, there were three main commenters that kept me coming back. You, Whiskey, and – despite differences on race which are legion – Obsidian. The original lineup, so to speak. I’ve seen lots of good posters since – Libby is frickin awesome, and quite possibly insane – but the original band makes the blog.

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  248. novaseeker–

    Also it’s very hard to remove women these days absent clear and demonstrated malfeasance due to lawsuit risk and EEOC type claims.

    That’s why PA’s 2. type tend to get shuffled around alot, without real upward motion. Some upward salary though.

    Can you say deadwood?

    Getting rid of all forms of affirmative action for women would get rid of a lot of these women, or force them to produce better.

    the best example of PA’s 1 type I can think of on TV (ie in a place that’s at least somewhat widely accessible for reference) is Dr. Cuddy of House. She’s rather an idealized version though, natch.

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  249. Do you count those?

    I’d consider them to fall under fuck buddy category.

    Though I could usually get them to throw a fuck to a buddy in need who wasn’t too pathetic as a favor.

    That’s interesting. If I were in your shoes, I’d keep my women to myself instead of pawning them off as pity gifts on my male friends, but then that’s because I wouldn’t be able to appreciate such things since she’s merely doing so out of a desire to please her alpha instead of any real feeling of attraction of desire.

    I want you to understand though, I LIKED these girls

    I figured that much. From my perspective, it comes across as an extended short-term relationship. You find her to be attractive, but you just don’t feel the need or desire to convert her into a legitimate long-term relationship for one reason or another. Given your viewpoint, I can understand why you opt for such relationships.

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  250. More British women in ‘high status’ professions than men, finds study
    Women now outnumber men in the most high status professions after a “quiet revolution in the workplace”, according to a Cambridge University study.

    By Martin Beckford, Social Affairs Correspondent
    Published: 7:00AM BST 11 Aug 2009

    The report claims that there are now more female lawyers, doctors and architects than male ones in Britain as a result of better education and a decline in the overall number of menial jobs.

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  251. Re: Types of Female Supervisors

    In my unit, directly above me there are four female supervisors. The first was formerly responsible for my evaluations, and she fits the first description. The other three basically fit the second description, but with varying degrees of suckiness.

    For $20, please guess the race and sexuality of the supervisors.

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  252. roissy

    This is why my definition of the alpha male is so elegant.

    Elegant in its inconsistency, maybe.

    And for those who continue troubling themselves over the conceptually useful and reality-reflecting definitions of alpha male and beta male, let me help clear up the matter.

    Reality-reflecting in what way? Neither term has been consistently defined or used in the PUA community. They can mean almost anything. But roughly speaking, alpha == someone I like, and beta == someone I don’t like.

    Alpha/beta isn’t a dichotomy.

    That’s exactly what it is, and exactly how it’s always presented.

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  253. Young women earn more than men in big U.S. cities | U.S. | Reuters

    Article: Women outnumber men at law school.

    Study shows women outnumber men at American college campuses …
    Women are increasingly outnumbering men at America’s colleges

    just some headlines.
    i work in NYC and i gotta tell ya- the women are everywhere in the workplace- maybe there are more chicks than guys in suits, and in the lunch lines.

    Of course this does not include Wall Street and IT.

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  254. Here’s an honest question: WHY DO YOU NIHILISTS EVEN CARE?!?

    What’s the purpose?

    Just download some pr0n, whack off, and be done with it.

    [Female nihilists may substitute: Just eat some chocolate, etc.]

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  255. on August 18, 2009 at 10:52 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1 and PA,

    Affirmative action never bothered me much, because even though I am strongly against it in principle, I think the marketplace does tend to efficiently penalize the AA recipient groups to an equal, or even greater degree, than whatever perceived benefits AA provided.

    The biggest losers from AA are not white men, but rather the few brillant members of a heavily AA’ed group (like a genuinely brilliant black woman, for example, who will always face assumptions that AA helped her, even if she didn’t need AA).

    What bothers me is the misandry in the divorce laws. That has become my single biggest dissatisfaction with the state of society.

    It wouldn’t be so bad if pre-nups could control everything, including child support. But since pre-nups cannot thwart CS = alimony = misandry, the whole system is entirely compromised.

    The other problem with divorce laws is they have very left-wing assumptions. The ‘no fault’ concept, the notion that the richer should pay the poorer regardless of merit or fault, the assumption that the woman has to get custody – these are all very left-wing assumptions, that right-wing people are subjected to, and cannot even draft their own contracts around.

    Social AND fiscal conservatives should have this as the #1 item on their respective lists. But they don’t. Fiscals are more likely to see the light than socials, though.

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  256. wait…is that the faint tinkling noise of tjf I hear?

    Nah, must be some sort of fairy.

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  257. Have been suspecting DA for a long while of being a genuine schizophrenic. Explains and predisposes to a a lot of things (social ineptness, self-flallegation, fixed viewpoints, incongruous oversensitivity, porn addiction and distorted viewpoint from it, increased chance of suicidal ideation, inability to empathise, pathological need for attention via negative mechanisms e.g pity stemming from identity issues including fear of ‘invisibility’ with inability to attain via conventional methods, pathological lying, attachment patterns to family, troubles with schooling despite apparent cognitive ability).

    But you can’t tell over the Internet.

    Availability heuristics and medicalisation bias declared.

    Game in BK: Pish. The males are being terribly mismanaged and allowed to run around aimlessly in life like headless chickens is what’s happening. Zero strong leadership to keep them focused and in the classroom, exploiting their natural talents while trying to teach them feminised subjects. As far back as primary school… I looked at the way my sister was being taught maths even. It wasn’t being taught logically, but via some sort of female wordiness. Science is getting this treatment as well in a strange remake of the GCSE. In the name of trying to make it ‘more accessible’ to the lower socioeconomic strata or the modern age of stupidity or something.

    The discipline, the curriculum content, the incentives and the framework of delivery. They’re all wrong for men.

    You know what’s happening in the UK and even anglosphere medicine? Niceness (i.e. less malpractice lawsuits: we all make mistakes but did we say sorry prettily enough?), PC targets and governmental agenda overshadowing actual competency.

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  258. PA, Novaseeker, Obsidian, and Lurker ALWAYS make insightful comments that open my mind, as well as Dave in Hawaii.

    However, my vote for most informative is Wendy Schwartz:

    (Furthermore you never EVER date men that live within a half hour radius of you….that’s how lies, rumors, and gossip about you happen. Keep them spread out far and wide and never EVER date a dude you work with.)

    This stuff is gold. Note how urban anonymity allows information disparity (she keeps her number to herself while probably accurately guessing the range of her opposite number). Also note how she advises against dating a guy at work (probably because information disparity does not hold there).

    For guys considering a LTR, don’t forget LR’s wisdom. It’s gold. If you know nothing about her, it’s by design.

    Seriously I always look for LR’s comments. I’m always learning something.

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  259. You are smart Hope, and you mean well. But you are giving S. horrible advice. Your outlook was darker, but more real, when you were with your husband.

    PA, my experiences have been very different. The whole marrying young business was a total disaster for me. Hindsight is 20/20. Your wife may be compatible with you and in love with you, but I was not compatible with my ex nor in love with him.

    Same with my friend Jenny. She married when she was 17 and divorced at 25 because the guy was a total jerk off. She is happily remarried and has four kids now. I met her and her husband last year, and they are such a loving couple.

    Frankly I don’t think men can know the pain of being young and being roped in by a man who treats her like possession, not a human being. I’d rather be alone for the rest of my life than mindlessly doing what anyone on this board or anyone in society tells me I should be doing.

    S. can take my advice or not. I’m just telling her what I think. She can weigh my advice against all those here and elsewhere who tell her to marry young. Marriage is great and all, but only with the right person. Sometimes when you’re young, you don’t know who that right person is.

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  260. House MD is a very good symbol for the struggle here. House is a male jerk. Logical, selfish, right.

    Cuddy knows people, targets and lawsuits. She has very little medical competency and a practically tempered altruism.

    Who’s in power?

    Who makes the decisions?

    That’s where the modern workplace is.

    Make no mistake about this. A doctor like House would not, could not even be allowed to practice because he Does Not Follow The Rules. Even if he was 100% right 100% of the time (which despite unrealistic superhuman-ness in his show, is still not true).

    That leaves us with more Cuddy/Wilson than House in most medical professionals.

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  261. Willard,
    Sorry sir, but you do not get to define the racial parameters of the discussion. Berry is recognized as being Black, and she prefers it this way, she is not attempting to do a Tiger Woods of it. Clearly she has some Black features, and again, this supports what I’ve said about most African Americans, that they have some White ancestry. Jill Scott and Beyonce’ are two very prominent examples of this, though neither are biracial like Berry is.

    In any event, you have not opined on the comparison btw Crawford and Iman, and corectly me if I’m wrong but the latter may be older than the former. Just to humor you, she’s African all the way. Who looks to have aged better, Willard? Iman, or Cindy Crawford?

    Nor have you answered my question: have you actually seen the Bazaar magazine issue I’m talking about?

    O

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  262. on August 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Doug1 wrote :

    GNP, Willard, Obsidian-

    Can we please not turn this thread into another back and forth racial bait fest.

    An odd request, considering that I have not posted a single comment on this thread until this one, and have not uttered a peep on the routine subject.

    Show me a single comment from me on this thread. Or the last one.

    I’m not going to engage today. There will be another opportunity tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after.

    I do not use the “GNPs are for Apes” handle anymore, as Peter has been totally beaten down, making that handle irrelevant. I have moved on to bigger opponents (or at least the admirers of bigger opponents).

    The problem is, a particular line of humor has to be repeated many times in order for everyone to see it. So while some will be reading the same thing for the 6th time, it will be the first time for others (notably, Roissy noticed my size/shape/color/texture point just last week, and said it was the funniest sentence of 2009). Hence, repetition is necessary.

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  263. Fifth Horseman–

    In some states, and the number may be growing, prenups can’t even waive alimony.

    In Mass prenups won’t even limit it now. In Conn. they can limit it, but not eliminate it, and the limitations must be “reasonable”.

    California won’t allow waiver’s of alimony if the wife has a serious illness at the time of divorce.

    All of this is in the context remember of it being overwhelmingly women who seek divorce, not men.

    Although I realize this is controversial, I for one do not think that discrete male adultery (or discrete until the wife blows it up), when not accompanied by his sexual and emotional abandonment of a reasonably fit wife, is not good reason for a divorce, and certainly not for one that involves payout of lots of property and/or alimony to a wife.

    Female adultery is hugely different.

    However I think that some sort of explicit or tacit arrangement is much better that straight up and flat out male cheating, even when it’s discrete.

    No excuse for babies anywhere else though. That’s not on. Nor the wasting of huge parts of his income/wealth on other girls.

    The main thing that marriage traditionally contrained in Western society from the Romans through the vast majority of the Catholic era, was who a man’s legitimate and rightful heirs were, and how the money flowed. Men were not expected to never have extramarital affairs.

    Sometimes once their child bearing was done, women in aristocratic circles during particularly decadent ages in Euro or Roman society weren’t expected to always necessarily confine themselves to their husband, who was by then occupied romantically elsewhere, either.

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  264. on August 18, 2009 at 11:25 pm The Fifth Horseman

    doug1,

    I think the growing practice of bypassing pre-nups through all sorts of convoluted reasons is what has finally brought the institution of marriage to death’s door.

    All the divorce laws are heavily soaked in left-wing principles. People who don’t share left-wing values are still subject to them, and *cannot even get a pre-nup upheld*, as you mentioned. Why can’t people make binding contracts among themselves? Men wouldn’t have to worry about misandric divorce laws if the pre-nup could be all-encompassing. I think 80% of Americans would agree, if they knew the facts.

    Wills and Testaments are usually all-encompassing. I am surprised feminists have not managed to get the courts to overturn wills to ensure the daughter and wife inherit everything over the sons. That would be the equivalent situation to how the courts bow to feminism on pre-nups and financial payouts.

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  265. @bhetti- morning of wealth.

    @obs- i’m with you – halle blows cindy away, no contest.

    @DA- feel the hate flow through your body! if you only knew the POWER of the DARK SIDE. A powerful Sith Lord of the Betas will you be, yes.

    today’s post was a nice long grab-bag. i read the mangan post and comments – these poor christians, esp. auster, are trapped in their own delusions. kind of sad to see them trying to talk about science, even a soft and not-ready-for-prime-time type one like evo-psych, in totally unsuitable terms. not to mention totally clueless about sexuality. if this is what the social right has to offer, they’ll be in the wilderness for a long, long time.

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  266. Have been suspecting DA for a long while of being a genuine schizophrenic.

    I find your take to be very interesting, Bhetti. If you do wish, I’d like to see you go in depth whether on a public or private basis.

    inability to empathise

    This line really needs some explanation…

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  267. feel the hate flow through your body! if you only knew the POWER of the DARK SIDE. A powerful Sith Lord of the Betas will you be, yes.

    I just found out that my goddaughter is moving to Atlanta. 😦

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  268. xsplat:

    Cyberlove?

    Come on. Seriously. Get over yourself. Are you 12?

    I suppose Doug was Being Nice in not pointing out that it wasn’t him but me displaying the twelve year old cyberlove behaviour.

    I freely admit to feeling like a twelve year old girl because of this thing we shall label cyberlove or whatever else you want to call it, yes. Just to irritate the hell out of DA.

    Hmm, what else to say?
    “I LOVE DOING EVERYTHING HE SAYS. INCLUDING DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL INSTANTLY AND DOING KITCHEN DUTY. And my IQ is 279 DA.”
    “RAWWWR.” said DA.
    “BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE: I AM GOING TO GO GOLD-DIG A BETA AT SOME POINT WHOM I DON’T LOVE ANYWAY AND MAKE HIS LIFE MISERABLE!”
    “*censored* YOU, BHETTI! RAWWWWWWR!!” said DA.

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  269. @DA- and a powerful source of non-sequiturs as well. (huh?)

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  270. doug1, I think this requires a very D/s relationship to work at all well. Otherwise the ease with which “unleashed” sluts can get cock, and high quality cock when it’s on a no strings or on call basis, can really mess up the dynamics – of e.g. a more usual vanilla relationship. I.e. the guy is really likely to get pussified and well, treated as cuckold. She’ll lose respect and sexual attraction though perhaps liking the paycheck and security.

    I’ve done stuff like that with fuck buddy slut girls.

    totally right.
    not only the d/s part, but the guy has to be one of roissy’s super alphas – the type who can just look at a girl, and she’s ready to go. these guys are usually big and imposing*, not unlike the guy i’m talking about.

    the dynamics of this particular relationship is enough to drive DA to suicide.
    if she pisses him off, he’ll make her fuck/suck other guys under his watch as a punishment. and not top-of-the-totem-pole type guys, either – he’ll occasionally do shit like make her fuck the next x number of willing guys** who walk through the door of a biker bar or adult store.
    until she does so, he won’t even fuck her again.
    for her it’s a double bonus – she gets to be a no-holds-barred dirty slut, of the type that most men go through their entire lives believing to exist only in porn, and she worships him so much that it makes her even hotter to “earn back” fucking privileges from him.

    it works for him, too, because it cements his ownership over her, and the fact that she’ll do anything, anything, on his say-so.
    rumor has it that he pimps her out, and of course won’t let her keep a dime of it for herself.
    he says that if he meets another couple like them, they’ll make the girls fight each other for bets, cockfight style, while he stands around joking with the other guy.

    [editor: sounds like something straight out of ‘story of O’.]

    this could never work for a guy who wasn’t a total super alpha on the roissy scale. that sort of thing would turn into a cuck situation in a heartbeat.

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  271. foot notes

    * height and size are a huge, huge part of game.
    huge.
    any aspiring pua would be remiss to ignore the tremendous effect of physical stature on the effectiveness and style of all pickup techniques.

    ** you’d think that this would be the first x guys, and you’d be wrong.
    it has taken him a while to find anybody who’ll actually take his word that he’s not setting them up for some big hurt.

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  272. on August 18, 2009 at 11:35 pm Cannon's Canon

    After that my guess is that you will never hear from him again. The greatest trick GNPs are for Apes ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. And like that… he is gone.

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  273. True story-Roissy helped me break out of a funk I was in about breaking up with my ex.

    Jagged little thoughts started swirling around in my depressed mind.

    Shit like “You really want to be with someone who had 8 partners (allegedly) at 18?”

    Shit like, “Her mom is a bloodhound. What’s she gonna look like?”

    This, plus the fact that Mulatto+Native/Indian is probably not an attractive genetic cocktail, helped me get my head right and go back to getting my swerve on.

    [editor: and he brought light unto a dark world…]

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  274. Nova, xsplat:

    It’s a pity that a woman has to be either/or. The problem is I want to be a firecracker in the bed of the man I love. Impossible dream? Maybe.

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  275. S.

    What Hope says is why I’ll always opt for love. Whatever it is – biological, socially constructed, or not even real – it feels pretty damn good.

    You really should listen to Hope’s advice.

    The key is to get yourself a World of Warcraft account, and then start gaming. Make yourself a blood elf or whatever with big tits — this will excite the beta male who is spending all his free time gaming and jacks off to female avatars.

    Soon, after countless hours on vent, you will become so absorbed by the game that you will start to feel ‘gina tingles when your potential lover flexes his avatar online.

    This is Hope’s recipe for love. Find and hook up with a fellow gamer, and you, too, can get a flabby Mormon like this:

    When Mr. gamer Mormon gets to be a bore, you can divorce his sorry, beta ass and take the house (Hope is still pissed that she didn’t get jack from the last husband). Not a bad deal, is it?

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  276. I meant Native/Italian.

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  277. Sad DA: speak to a trained and experienced psych. near you. They will have a field day. Can’t help some analysis, feel like it’s eating at my soul. I stray into too much emotional investment which is why I need a bitch shield and not to enter that specialty, even though it’s theoretically fascinating.

    maurice: morning of light. or should I say evening for ya?

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  278. Sad DA: speak to a trained and experienced psych. near you. They will have a field day. Can’t help some analysis, feel like it’s eating at my soul. I stray into too much emotional investment which is why I need a bitch shield and not to enter that specialty, even though it’s theoretically fascinating.

    maurice: morning of light. or should I say evening for ya?

    Light of evening here on the West Coast, Bhetti.

    And, to be quite frank, I think some psychoanalysis of our Bhetti might be quite revealing, if she could pull off the metaphoric veil, of course (I’m not counting on it).

    Hehe.

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  279. Bhetti

    The males are being terribly mismanaged and allowed to run around aimlessly in life like headless chickens is what’s happening. Zero strong leadership to keep them focused and in the classroom, exploiting their natural talents while trying to teach them feminised subjects. As far back as primary school… I looked at the way my sister was being taught maths even. It wasn’t being taught logically, but via some sort of female wordiness. Science is getting this treatment as well in a strange remake of the GCSE. In the name of trying to make it ‘more accessible’ to the lower socioeconomic strata or the modern age of stupidity or something.

    The discipline, the curriculum content, the incentives and the framework of delivery. They’re all wrong for men.

    You know what’s happening in the UK and even anglosphere medicine? Niceness

    Lioness.

    Mine.

    Proud.

    (I realize that will irritate some and so on but I really just don’t give a piss.)

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  280. It’s a pity that a woman has to be either/or. The problem is I want to be a firecracker in the bed of the man I love. Impossible dream? Maybe.

    @ S. —

    It’s also either/or for women: men are either alpha (the male sex class) or beta (the male unsexed class, by and large). All women would prefer alphas to commit to them, but few can swing it, so many/some “settle” for a disappointing beta husband who at least offers some stability and hopefully at least financial hypergamy. It’s the same thing, but the variables are different. Men have the madonna/whore thing going on, and women have the alpha/beta thing going on.

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  281. Fifth Horsemen — In Canada, wills are being challenged by Judges who give control of the estate to “friends” instead of heirs named in the will. I.E. is a person dies with a will, but has had a long “friendship” with someone, that someone has a claim to the estate of the deceased. No, I’m not making that up.

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  282. There are also some cases in Asutralia, I believe, where the family court has taken into account the assets of one of the parties as lined up in a future will distribution when dividing the marital assets in the present time (hint: husband gets less current marital assets because he has the will coming down the pike). You can probably find that cite if you google around enough.

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  283. S–

    S.

    Nova, xsplat:

    It’s a pity that a woman has to be either/or. The problem is I want to be a firecracker in the bed of the man I love. Impossible dream? Maybe.

    She doesn’t have to be either or if she can think independently and chart her own course. Which you can.

    You’re in a GREAT position S. You’re very young, serious minded, intelligent, and at least cute. You’re also attracted to much older men.

    Zowie. Just don’t feel like you have to always be in a relationship. Be very choosy.

    But…. you can also be proactive. Target men that you really admire. I’d never suggest breaking up a marriage w/kids. But guys w/girlfriends, who doen’t seem fully happy. Forget it. Fair game.

    Just shyly flirt. And be interested in them and their world.

    So much attraction power from a fresh sorta serious minded but also playful and non censorious ingenue such as you.

    Dynamite S.

    You really have no idea.

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  284. Bhetti

    One of the neat things about being a Doctor is that one often gets into seriously real situations – where ordinary, reality-is-a-game BS evaporates leaving something else behind.
    I spent a good hour of my morning today as part of a team trying to resuscitate a 62 year old with refractory VF. This was greatly complicated by the presence of tight aortic stenosis. I know that you know that makes CPR worth… fuck all. So, of course, he died. He died in the very non-abstract sense that he went from feeling warm to the touch to feeling like lizard over the course of a single Tuesday morning. Right there in Rm 837.
    Anyway, pronouncing someone dead is not like filing a legal brief.

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  285. I find it interesting how the tone of the comments in each post can vary so much.

    I remember just a while ago feeling a little attacked for not believing in going all the way before marriage, and generally exercising sexual restraint. I felt like several of the same commenters on this post, who seem to be supportive of non-sluttiness for long term partners, at that time implied that no guy would wait long.

    Thank goodness from my real life experience I knowthat many, manyyyy guys will actually respect a girl that doesn’t put out very easily, if at all. Some won’t wait, for sure, but there are many who will wait. The trick as someone implied is to be sexy and sensual… the promise can be just as good as the real thing, I think. 😉 Just like a girl with a peekaboo outfit can control a man’s attention longer than a stark naked one in a classy way where she is valued for long term potential…

    Any way, it’s just so interesting to observe… it takes a long time to know if someone is the right person for you, and if you love them. Sometimes many, many months. A girl who holds back physically is probably sensible…

    Also, I wonder if the girls who report # of partners choose to not include guys they’ve done non-intercourse things with? Just something interesting to think about, you hear all the time about how in high school and college people will do everything but intercourse. Just something to think about…

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  286. Just to irritate the hell out of DA.

    Eh, I can’t seem to build up the anger and contempt that such comments usually induce. It’s sad to see such intelligence waste away, but if it makes you happy, so be it. 😦

    All women would prefer alphas to commit to them, but few can swing it, so many/some “settle” for a disappointing beta husband who at least offers some stability and hopefully at least financial hypergamy.

    And that’s what I find to be shameful and despicable. If you can’t secure an alpha, leading some beta on in a relationship is wrong. Hence, the golddigger meme.

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  287. Also, found what S and Hope and others were discussing was interesting…

    About marrying young, I am also a girl who’s aware that yes, you should marry young to maximize your chances to find a top quality guy.

    The thing is… it’s hard to truly be happy and satisfied if you marry young UNLESS you already have aware of the pretty lies fed to most of us by mainstream Western society.

    I had the opportunity to marry quite young, and broke it off because I kept on thinking there must be more…there must be more… and I took bad advice from my friends and others who kept on saying, “You can do so much better.”

    I see young girls now, fresh out of college, who get married to guys that at first glance seem “not as good as them.”

    Then I realize that no… they are the best guys possible these girls can get! These young 22 year olds are smart… and know what to settle for early and young.

    I’m so jealous of these young girlies who realized early what I’m realizing now. But it’s life, isn’t it? Despite what the haters would say, I’m trying to not give up and think that nope, no one will want my old self at this point.

    I have the wisdom now to be happy with a guy who is a good man, but an imperfect human. At age 21, 22, 23… even 25 I wouldn’t have felt this way and probably would’ve been the type to become bitter and even a little b*tchy. Without a Dave from Hawaii style Alpha, which are so rare, I probably would’ve ended up unhappily married or even down the path of separation.

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  288. on August 19, 2009 at 12:12 am Lawyer from Hell

    David Alexander Unplugged:

    “It’s the perfect model for beta males because it frees them from the responsibility of having to take care of wives and children. Why are you against male freedom?”

    Where are you getting “male freedom?” Where do you think your taxes are going, but to support someone else’s children? and taking care of single women?

    Unless you completely drop out of society, which is a valid life choice considering the state of society . . .

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  289. Where are you getting “male freedom?” Where do you think your taxes are going, but to support someone else’s children? and taking care of single women?

    Even at a potential marginal tax rate of 65%, I’d still have more money left over for myself than I would at a 45% marginal tax rate since nearly all of my income would go to my wife and children, and I’d have the responsibility of a family to support and children to raise. As a single man, I’d be able to finance a comfortable lifestyle with railfan and roadgeek trips, photography, and porn while as a married men, I’ll have no money and time for my hobbies and my wife would find my excess porn usage to be insult to her.

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  290. on August 19, 2009 at 12:19 am Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    Willard,
    Sorry sir, but you do not get to define the racial parameters of the discussion.

    Actually I do because the discussion is about the biology of race and aging and not merely about a person’s social identification of race.

    Somebody could be 1/8th American Indian and identify as an Indian but if the issue is biological race then that person is not acceptable as a test case of an American Indian.

    I’m talking about race and biology not the racial equivalent of picking a political party or religion to belong to.

    Berry is recognized as being Black, and she prefers it this way, she is not attempting to do a Tiger Woods of it.

    That’s irrelevant. Her genes say otherwise.

    Clearly she has some Black features, and again, this supports what I’ve said about most African Americans, that they have some White ancestry.

    Obviously it doesn’t because she has a White English mother. That makes her clearly distinct biologically from blacks who don’t have a White parent.

    Just to humor you, she’s African all the way. Who looks to have aged better, Willard? Iman, or Cindy Crawford?

    Yes, Iman is East African and therefore biologically different from West African descended Americans.

    And that’s a good example of what I mentioned about ugly people aging less noticeably because that start off unattractive.

    Cindy Crawford was vastly better looking than Iman at the same younger age.

    Iman looks like an old trannie to me.

    Iman is overrated. She was picked by the White fashion industry because she is tall, skinny and has narrow almost Caucasoid like features. On the other hand you have Alek Wek…………I don’t care how she ages she looks like shit NOW!!!!

    Cindy Crawford just looks like a 40+ woman. What her overall health is like and how it compares to black females I don’t know.

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  291. on August 19, 2009 at 12:20 am Lawyer from Hell

    on August 18, 2009 at 11:01 pm whiskey:

    “If you know nothing about her, it’s by design.”

    I would go further, Whiskey, if you know nothing about her, not only is it by design, it hides a hideous truth.

    Female virtue (if there is such a thing anymore) does not need to hide . . .

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  292. on August 19, 2009 at 12:23 am Lawyer from Hell

    David,

    Your tax rate is a hell of a lot higher than that. You get nickled and dimed everywhere and over everything, and there are all those “employer contributions to SS and workers comp and everything else on your behalf which are indeed taxes on you.

    Wait until they hit you with a VAT.

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  293. on August 19, 2009 at 12:25 am Lawyer from Hell

    Lucifer:

    “Tupac,

    Yes, a nuclear family like structure is necessary, but it cannot be like the one we had. That concept cannot work anymore.

    Maybe something inbetween large families and the nuclear family.”

    This is just a return to extended families, which appears to be returning with the Depression coming upon us.

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  294. Your tax rate is a hell of a lot higher than that.

    So let me get this straight. You’re saying that my tax rate is high, and it’s better for me to have a wife that soaks up my income than the government? I still fail to see the benefit when the wife will nag me to death, take my money, prevent me from jerking off to porn, and possibly cuckhold me, and I still have the responsibility of taking care of children on a full time basis. Even with a 95% marginal tax rate, I still have the freedom to enjoy the money that I have left. With a family, I don’t enjoy that money, but other people get to enjoy it for me.

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  295. Rum: Death certificate.
    Another thing will have to do.
    Terrifying.
    However: If I know myself. Strangely detached when actually in the situation. Reaction comes much later, privately and delayed.

    Welmer: Have spilled my lifestory over the… however long I’ve been commenting. What more do you want? I clearly have a teeny bit of most psych. labels. Just enough to be interesting to some, not enough to impair social function.

    Mildly bullying Hope, I see.

    Let’s psychoanalyse you.

    This is an official DSM-IV definition:
    hmm, yes, your pathology is called Vertes Bacchus Patria*. Otherwise known as being Irish.
    Beidh an dochtuir anseo gan mhoill.

    Doug: rawwr.

    DA:

    It’s sad to see such intelligence waste away, but if it makes you happy, so be it.

    Looks like noone needs to actually tell you what’s a bit more sensible. Anyway: When’re you going to change your handle to Happy David?

    *I confess to completely making that up using stereotypes.

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  296. Lawyer from Hell,

    Even that won’t work.. Technology and OPTIONS have made most human institutions obsolete.

    A lot of what people believe in is already dead.. they just don’t know it yet.

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  297. When’re you going to change your handle to Happy David?

    As I told myself recently, I don’t think I can ever be happy again. It’s something that can only exist in childhood where you know nothing about the real world or responsibility. In contrast, with my dad passing away, and my exposure to the brutal, harsh cold world, you’ll realize that you can never be happy because there’s always something to eat away at that feeling once it begins to form.

    The only thing resembling a happy adult is somebody who is born into immense wealth and has no need to work. They have true freedom since they can live their lives as they please with no material constraints which allows them to be relatively happy.

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  298. I do not think DA has schizophrenia (even atypical forms) for one simple reason.

    Nothing that he has written is logically inconsistent.

    The lack of logical consistency in thought is the single common feature of both typical and atypical presentations.

    Bhetti is just using her perceived authority to discredit DA as mentally ill. Then again, the difference between a western doctor and a witch doctor is technology (developed by non-physician researchers), not attitude.

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  299. Bhetti (and rum),

    Cut the crap about doctors caring..

    People become doctors because they want money, respect and power. The biggest fear for a doctor is that their real competence (or lack thereof) will be exposed.

    As long as nobody sues you, kills you or you are not otherwise exposed as a charlatan- it is happy days.

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  300. Willard Libby,

    What happens when your cognitive dissonance breaks down?

    Unfortunately, you are part of the generation that is seeing the fall of your “race”. Your predecessors had the ‘winds of chance’ behind them… you are not so lucky

    I am just enjoying the show.

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  301. Lucifer it may have been mentioned in other comments but I’m afraid I’ve missed it, what do you do for a living? I’m guessing medical field and had thought at one point Doctor. Wrong?

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  302. Lucifer

    You are too naive and innocent, almost child-like in the purity of assumptions.
    I became a Doctor simply because I enjoy cutting on human flesh and watching the dark blood flow, and then taking the money. My ancestors were mostly road-agents and moon-shine runners. The fact that I “earn” my living by slash for cash should surprise no one.
    On the other hand, go back into your cramped, spooge-stained cubicle where you “learned” everything you think you know about medicine that came from the adults only corners of the internet.
    You have no clue what it is like to be actually responsible for another persons life. You have no fucking clue what it is like to tell hysterically crying family members that “Your Dad is Dead”. You are bluffing, little man.

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  303. ECONOMICS IS NOT NATURAL SCIENCE [8.11.09]
    By Douglas Rushkoff

    http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/rushkoff09/rushkoff09_index.html

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  304. Rum,

    Without my profession, you profession would kill more people than witch doctors.

    Until the 1950s, going to a doctor was more likely to kill you (iatrogenic cause of death) than help you… wonder why?

    PS- You could be an orderly…

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  305. Lucy: My biases have been declared.

    DA doesn’t need to be discredited but to be pushed into gaining attention differently. He might be given credit, then, instead of being dismissed as hyperbole.

    Logical inconsistency no.1: He is of the species homo sapiens. Scientifically speaking, he is human. It is in his DNA. He is not ‘subhuman’. There is no such thing.

    Again. Biases have been declared. Look up medicalisation and availability heuristics, third person audience. Lucifer too, apparently.

    Please tell me you believe in randomised controlled trials as best evidence. Not perfect. But they’re certainly better than what is available. Right?

    Correct me on this.

    What to do?

    Learn magic? Is that your advice, Lucy? Is the only healing by being an enchantress?

    Maybe we should be having more of Cuddy and placating. If actual scientific medicine is valueless. Maybe we’re heading in the right direction, Lucy?

    That MRI scanner is just a pretty accessory in this month’s edition of GQ’s ER. It’s the smile that counts.

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  306. Rum,

    I think you are not factoring something important.. I do not have to “prove myself” to anybody.

    But you, like the vast majority of humans require external validation and that is your achilles heel.

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  307. Bhetti,

    I do not care about sophism.

    as far as DA is concerned:

    He hates himself and knows that he cannot get what our society falsely promises and I cannot say that is irrational.

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  308. Bhetti,

    I have a feeling that DA is going to get attention differently.

    and another thing.. big words do not impress those who use them and can see the BS behind them.

    I see physicians as car repair techs, not car designers or engineers. I have many such glorified “car repair techs” amongst my closest relatives, and I once considered that career.

    However I realized that would be never happy as a “car repair tech”.. so I went in the “car design and engineering” business.

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  309. Lucifer
    A PharmD.
    God I hate you guys. I try every day to kill patients for fun – a guy gets bored otherwise – but you guys put sticks in the spokes of my chariot-of-murder wheels and I have give up, at least for a while So I tell myself: Not now, be patient.

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  310. “Lady Gaga is supposedly an ‘hemaphrodite’ from what Ive read.”

    I’ve been writing about this for years: Hollyweird sluts use steroids. Steroids make girls grow dicks. Look at Madonna’s arms; I bet she has an even bigger peen.

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  311. Rum,

    No try harder.. think biotech/pharma.. then think consulting.. that sorta describes it

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  312. Rum,

    Think about this:

    I use escorts a lot, sometimes have atypical working hours, often comment using mobile devices, talk about pharmaceutical development.

    Was it not obvious?

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  313. on August 19, 2009 at 2:08 am Willard Libby

    Lucifer

    Willard Libby,

    Unfortunately, you are part of the generation that is seeing the fall of your “race”. Your predecessors had the ‘winds of chance’ behind them… you are not so lucky

    I am just enjoying the show.

    As a Tamil you are from a people who have done nothing and are going nowhere.

    Your future is like you past……meaningless.

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  314. Talk about a sisyphean task – “Alphas are natural at ‘game’ so Betas have to try harder” (and the less said about O***as the better). That’s like saying “muscle building comes comparatively easy to mesomorphs therefore those with a tendency towards ectmorphism have to train harder”. How the hell does a Beta with ‘game’ compete with an Alpha with ‘game’?

    [editor: he doesn’t. he competes with the multitudes of betas who have no game.]

    ‘Game’ only makes sense for a Beta if no one’s telling the Alphas about it. It akin to a Beta trying to impress women with a V8 and just when he almost has all of the women’s attention in comes an Alpha with a V12.

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  315. dana:

    auster is woefully misonformed on what he calls darwinism, stubborn and too enamored with words and concepts rather than reality. he believes in Platonic Forms like Truth Beauty etc. there is so little common ground between him and anyone with a scientific bent it makes it hard to communicate. he also has no conception of dynamism.

    here is a very annoying exchange i had with him a while back on evolution and beauty being nothing more than the brains perception of phi (golden ratio):

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/010396.html

    Auster indeed misunderstands the science of Darwinism to some degree, but I find much of his anti-Darwinist philosophy far more accurate and perceptive than anything I’ve ever read from the vast majority of those who profess belief in Darwinian evolution — including pretty much everything that evolutionary biologists write as soon as they step outside their hard science and start discussing the philosophical implications of Darwinism. (As a particularly striking example, I find Richard Dawkins utterly brilliant when he talks about the hard science he deals with, and an obnoxious buffoon as soon as he opens his mouth on any other topic, whether related or not.)

    Auster is dead-on right that Darwinism is fundamentally incompatible with any philosophical position except the most radical cold, black nihilism that absolutely denies free will, morality, and any purpose to life, treating all these notions the same as the most ridiculous childish superstitions. His attempts to refute Darwinism may well be completely false on scientific grounds, but as soon as we step into philosophical territory, his reasoning is perfectly clear and grounded in the basic premises of Darwinism with absolute accuracy. In this regard, he is displaying absolute intellectual superiority not only over run-of-the-mill liberals who espouse fashionable beliefs in Darwinian evolution while completely misunderstanding it, but also over the vast majority of evolutionary scientists, who understand Darwinism perfectly for the purposes of their day jobs, but employ all sorts of doublethink to escape its philosophical implications in the rest of their lives.

    Note that I’m not attacking Darwinian evolution here. I’m merely stating that Auster is perfectly right when he tears to pieces the philosophical positions of those who claim to believe in it while still trying to have non-nihilistic beliefs about anything else.

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  316. gil:
    How the hell does a Beta with ‘game’ compete with an Alpha with ‘game’?

    unless your implicit standard is that said betas must achieve legendary alpha pua status, your question is based on false premises.

    most betas would be happy with a quantity of game that is sufficient to land, and keep, a nice 6-7 long term partner. comparatively few of them are looking to become pua’s to whom odes will be sung by the masses.

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  317. I know I have a dangerously dense collection of nice guy qualities. For example, I have cheerfully done dirty, nasty outside jobs since I was 14 yrs old. My uber-dad insisted on it. I loved what I did at 14 – as a mechanic working at the factory my dad owned outright. I was the newbie-mechanic and heir-apparent – from the start..
    So I have never really felt crippled by my innately decent character. Enough hotties wanted to be with the son of el padron. Most of the rest were eager get to know el Doctor even more thoroughly.

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  318. vladimir:
    As a particularly striking example, I find Richard Dawkins utterly brilliant when he talks about the hard science he deals with, and an obnoxious buffoon as soon as he opens his mouth on any other topic, whether related or not.

    ha, yeah.

    i get the feeling that richard dawkins has never had a meaningful interaction with (a) anyone with a sub-115 iq; (b) any high-testosterone male; (c) any of today’s young urban entitlement queens.

    in his “the god delusion”, dawkins propounds a theory that we could all get along and live in peace – both peace with ourselves and peace with all other living species (!) – based on…

    …wait for it…

    …the beauty of nature!

    he then cites, as the “new” religious dogma, examples of admittedly beautiful science.
    the problem, though, is that his examples will be thoroughly incomprehensible to anyone of low or even middling iq. there are entire continents on which only select handfuls of people will be even able to understand, let alone appreciate, his examples.

    dawkins fails to see that the lack of religion leaves a vacuum.
    what do vacuums do?
    they suck things into the place of what used to be there.
    if god is dead, only the new deity called Power can take his place.
    that ain’t gonna be pretty.

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  319. Funny quip on the Irish thing Bhetti. ^^ Internet bullying makes him feel better about himself. He feels superior to me and my boyfriend, and hey, who am I to stand in the way of that? 😉

    The guys here talk all the time about how mean and terrible women are. Then… “Your boyfriend’s a beta!” Really? I thought you guys were in support of betas. Oh and he would laugh at being called Mormon by some random guy online trying to denigrate him.

    But I should thank him for inspiring this conversation.

    Me: “So has anyone ever mistaken you for a Mormon?”
    Him: “Yeah. Usually when I talk about the things I saw in other countries. They assume I was a missionary.”
    Me: “Ahh.”
    Him: “I don’t make a very convincing Mormon.”
    Me: “Why not?”
    Him: “‘Cause I swear.”
    Me: “So Mormons don’t swear?”
    Him: “Not unless they’re shitty Mormons.”
    Me: [Laughs]
    Him: “Usually tips them off pretty fast. They’re like oh, he’s not one of us.”

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  320. Bhetti

    Welmer: Have spilled my lifestory over the… however long I’ve been commenting. What more do you want? I clearly have a teeny bit of most psych. labels. Just enough to be interesting to some, not enough to impair social function.

    What are you talking about? You have given almost nothing. You are being a typically aloof British girl.

    Mildly bullying Hope, I see.

    She ain’t no Scheherazade. More like Jezebel’s homely little sister.

    Let’s psychoanalyse you.

    This is an official DSM-IV definition:
    hmm, yes, your pathology is called Vertes Bacchus Patria*. Otherwise known as being Irish.
    Beidh an dochtuir anseo gan mhoill.

    Not bad, and clever, but full of it.

    Why don’t you Mussulmanalyze me?

    Let’s see…

    For my entire life, I’ve dwelt in Dar-el-Harb, but I am truly trying to find some peace and resolution. I bear scars both physical and psychic, and they gnaw at me even as I sleep.

    Forsaking existential struggle, I find only Niflheim, the land of ice and fog, through which I wander blindly, looking for inspiration and warmth amidst the frozen wasteland.

    And finally, what is there but the counsel of the Völva (cognate of “vulva”), who says:

    Brothers will fight
    and kill each other,
    sisters’ children
    will defile kinship.
    It is harsh in the world,
    whoredom rife
    —an axe age, a sword age
    —shields are riven—
    a wind age, a wolf age—
    before the world goes headlong.
    No man will have
    mercy on another.

    Isn’t it a terrible prophecy, but yet poetic and beautiful?

    So you see, Dar-el-Harb is a land of terrible beauty. And you find yourself, Muslima, hedged in by its awful, crystalline construct, where love is but an abstraction, and absent in all but the incomprehensible definitions of old books that people read but cannot possibly understand.

    And there you are, in the middle, growing older and going nowhere.

    Look up at heaven: it is your icy, eternal tomb.

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  321. most betas would be happy with a quantity of game that is sufficient to land, and keep, a nice 6-7 long term partner. comparatively few of them are looking to become pua’s to whom odes will be sung by the masses.

    That’s the thing that doesn’t make sense to me. Why would anybody put in all that effort to have a long-term relationship with a slightly above average woman? It makes far more sense to go become a PUA and maximize your sexual opportunities than to waste your time in a relationship. And that presumes you’ve become alpha enough to keep her interested lest the another alpha male steps in the picture to illustrate your failings…

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  322. Welmer that was hot inspite of the icy, eternal tomb.

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  323. dude, racer x, the guy with the hottest blog in the universe, you need to adjust your privacy settings. CAN’T ACCESS YOUR BLOG!

    in other news, thought you fellas might like this. seems like a solid pick up line – would definitely catch my attention (from TFLN):

    I asked a girl to buy her a drink, she had I have a boyfriend, so I said, well i have a goldfish, she said what? I replied, oh I’m sorry I thought we were talking about shit that doesnt matter.

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  324. “That’s the thing that doesn’t make sense to me. Why would anybody put in all that effort to have a long-term relationship with a slightly above average woman?”

    Dang it! David Alexander beat me to it! After all:

    “He doesn’t. He competes with the multitudes of betas who have no game.” – Roissy.

    “Unless your implicit standard is that said betas must achieve legendary alpha pua status, your question is based on false premises.” – johnny five.

    Uh-oh! Why do Betas need game then? Most Betas get into some sort of relationshp anyway, Alphas don’t really need game and O***as couldn’t laid even if the world’s fate depended on it!

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  325. on August 19, 2009 at 4:37 am Cannon's Canon

    Gil,

    “Elementary Particles” by Houellebecq for you, my friend. Borders carries it, and you get to engage the clerk chica as a free bonus (well, I asked her about “Plateforme” with some bikini boobs on the cover, also going into my bag). I bought my copy midday so there wouldn’t be a line behind me, though I didn’t number-close successfully… a small matter.

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  326. gil:
    Why do Betas need game then? Most Betas get into some sort of relationshp anyway

    convenient, your answering your own question.

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  327. @LR:

    “(Furthermore you never EVER date men that live within a half hour radius of you….that’s how lies, rumors, and gossip about you happen. Keep them spread out far and wide and never EVER date a dude you work with.)”

    Hmmm…. how keystone state…so you just like alphas to fly into Appalachia, visit PennSate/StatePenn and shower you like that bucket from the Flashdance movie? I could get into that as a fantasy except that you’re a redhead.

    Seriously though, a voir doire of candidate LTR’s previous sexual history, _is_ legit and useful.

    How you go about the voir doire is important. Don’t ask for a notch count directly…. but rather discuss specific partners and ask about boinking… Wait a month and approach the subject again from a slightly different angle but covering the same guy and boinking history. Also look for a detailed timeline of LTRs and look for “resume gaps” between them… that’s when she rode the cock carosel. If there’s an inconsistency, she’s been making shit up and should be only safe for fucking unless you are pathetic and don’t have a choice.

    I also question how good of an idea it is to get a woman with a limited history. Unless there’s no resume gaps between LTRs in her past, she either rode a carosel of cock or is a frigid nun. If she was a serial monogomist with 3 LTRs with few gaps… that’s great… but if she’s had dry spells… she has unusually low sexual desire and you’re going to have to deal with being married to that.

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  328. jerrdogg:

    Unless there’s no resume gaps between LTRs in her past, she either rode a carosel of cock or is a frigid nun. If she was a serial monogomist with 3 LTRs with few gaps… that’s great… but if she’s had dry spells… she has unusually low sexual desire and you’re going to have to deal with being married to that.

    bollocks.

    “low sexual desire” is almost always a facade erected over “not aroused by her current partners / options”.
    i’ve seen women go from zero to sixty in a few seconds way too many times to believe that “frigid” is anything other than a rationalization constructed by sad-sack betas who don’t know how to press attraction buttons.

    in the vast majority of cases, wife with low sexual desire = beta husband.

    there are always going to be a few outliers, just as there are outliers on the male side (see: david alexander), but those are the exceptions that prove the rule.

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  329. J5,

    I understand and your point is real… and I think I’ve seen it and know and the difference.

    I’ve lit up several bored wives myself…

    But a hot chick is going to get hit on a lot. And some of those guys are going to be good. And if she’s not giving it up enough to rack up some notches… she’s frigid or you’ve got rare taste (i.e. she’s fugli).

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  330. Larry Auster as a gay or latent eunuch is exactly the kind of thing taht awakes you in the morning like an entire bottle of coffe

    Thinking about it, it makes lots of sense. It explains his unbelievable cluelessness about female.

    Unfortunately, for a raging homophobe like me, it removes him from the moral high ground i supposed he was

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  331. Jerr, you may have a point if she’s been through pussy mill situations (college, military, backpacking, working in a resort area, etc.) but this wouldn’t apply to a woman who hasn’t. If a hot or otherwise sought after woman stays in one place and isn’t exposed to a long chain of players or transient guys, men usually want to keep her around.

    If she has high numbers despite living in the same area for a long time, she’s a sampler by her own design, not because of circumstances.

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  332. “I’ll add type (3) balls of steel, male-brain, but very fair. I imagine Dana woudl be like that as a middle manager.”

    Pa, thank you–i couldn’t be happier with that description

    vlad:

    “Auster is dead-on right that Darwinism is fundamentally incompatible with any philosophical position except the most radical cold, black nihilism that absolutely denies free will, morality, and any purpose to life”

    even if what you and auster say is true, reality isn’t contingent on whether or not we like its consequences. in that way auster and his like are exactly like WOMEN who say ” eww, don’t tell me love is just oxytocin, if its not some mystical magical other worldly thing it doesn’t count!”. if your whole morality is just a pack of pretty lies that can’t stand on their own without an ever vigilant, inscrutable omnipotent, omniscient and omnoxious god then its a baseless house of cards.

    what darwinism is incompatible with is christian/leftist/altruist mysticism based morality and kantian duty. the opposite of those things isn’t nihilism, its individualism and rational egoism, and human relationships based on an honest trader relationship and not on primitive, corrupt ties of duty and obligation based in warrantless favors and biological relationships. there is nothing in darwinism that precludes benevolence, love, awe at the beauty of the universe (that feeling of transcendence) even a certain amount of altruism towards those who share your genes. what a purely evolutionary worldview precludes is ascribing the origins of those feelings towards some mystical Soul/mind/spirit/god/force and not to perfectly legitimate physiological phenomenon. as for free will, yes some amount of ludicrously overbroad blank slate free will is negated by ANY philosophy or science that claims anything other than tabula rasa. i don’t have free will as to how many toes i was born with or when i menstruate–does that negate free will? all darwinism does is DELIMIT the sphere of human endeavor in which “free will can operate and i would assert the concept was ill formed and overbroad to begin with.

    vlad, obviously i don’t have time to write 12 books about this now and no one would want to read them if i did, so don’t take this mini screed as a complete expression of my thoughts on the matter, but as only a possible starting point

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  333. […] of my fellow conservatives: the former holds no delusions about love, while the latter latches onto pretty lies. They are, for the most part, necessary lies, because they help the social conservative maintain […]

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  334. wow

    now we have a debate cooler than a race thread: is DA human or not?

    I side with the consensus that he is human indeed, but not male, at least a full male. The best description would be a “sub-male” human.

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  335. David Alexander is a moody, withdrawn late bloomer male who is presently in his late chrysalis phase, soon to be pushing against the shell of his cocoon. In non-metaphoric terms he is soon to experience his overdue matruation, brought on by physiological changes and recent life circumstances. His comments of late — agitated, jerky — hint of his impending metamorphosis.

    If there is schizo or a genuinely crippled soul on this blog, it’s the sad case of one Lucifer.

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  336. we should go to the Mangan thread and yell about Auster being a homo. Force him to respond. I wonder if he would.

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  337. Taunting or libeling Auster serves no purpose. He is irreplaceable on certain topics. On marginal topics like evolution he can be ignored just like the priceless Camille Paglia can be ignored on her goofy views of “diversity,” for example.

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  338. Auster got me when he suggested democni possession for that drunk woman. Call that, a la Brimelow, Latin irrationality, but I believe in demonic possession.

    I will still read him anyway, gay, eunuch or whatever. He should learn with Bary Ritholtz. stop discussing controversial topics that make you look ridiculous.

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  339. but I believe in demonic possession.

    Good to know I’m not the only one.

    I believe that the observable universe can be measured and explained entirely in mechanistic, materialistic terms, except for first causes and occasional metaphysical phenomena.

    But there is also a transcendent/spiritual plane that exists parallel to the physical world. And Roman Catholicism is the most reliable method for understanding, conducting oneself in harmony with, and aligning oneself with this transcendent plane’s imperatives.

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  340. Willard,
    Engaging in more goalpost shifting and the like, hmm? Pay attention please…

    O: Willard,
    Sorry sir, but you do not get to define the racial parameters of the discussion.

    W: Actually I do because the discussion is about the biology of race and aging and not merely about a person’s social identification of race.

    O: Race is as much a biological concept as it is a sociopolitical one. But again, not my concern as much as its yours.

    W: Somebody could be 1/8th American Indian and identify as an Indian but if the issue is biological race then that person is not acceptable as a test case of an American Indian.

    O: Perhaps. But I’m not discussing Native American Indians though. That’s your strawman to bear.

    W: I’m talking about race and biology not the racial equivalent of picking a political party or religion to belong to.

    O: Yes you are, which is wholly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Nice try though.

    O: Berry is recognized as being Black, and she prefers it this way, she is not attempting to do a Tiger Woods of it.

    W: That’s irrelevant. Her genes say otherwise.

    O: At least half of which are African. Wrong again.

    O: Clearly she has some Black features, and again, this supports what I’ve said about most African Americans, that they have some White ancestry.

    W: Obviously it doesn’t because she has a White English mother. That makes her clearly distinct biologically from blacks who don’t have a White parent.

    O: Wrong. Jill Scott doesn’t have a White English mother, yet she is as fairskinned, if not moreso, than Berry is. This is the norm for many African Americans. And again, they/we are clearly Black, as are Berry and Scott.
    O: Just to humor you, she’s African all the way. Who looks to have aged better, Willard? Iman, or Cindy Crawford?

    W: Yes, Iman is East African and therefore biologically different from West African descended Americans.

    O: In some cases, yes. Not all. Many West Africans are thin w/somewhat angular features. Go to Senegal, and see for yourself. Nevertheless, the point is made, Iman has aged better than Crawford, objectively speaking.

    W: And that’s a good example of what I mentioned about ugly people aging less noticeably because that start off unattractive.

    O: Personal commentary is irrelevant.

    W: Cindy Crawford was vastly better looking than Iman at the same younger age.

    O: Irrelevant. We are not discussing these Women at younger ages. We are examining which of them has aged more gracefully.

    O: Iman looks like an old trannie to me.

    W: Personal commentary is irrelevant. Notice that I did not offer a personal comment about Crawford.

    O: Iman is overrated. She was picked by the White fashion industry because she is tall, skinny and has narrow almost Caucasoid like features. On the other hand you have Alek Wek…………I don’t care how she ages she looks like shit NOW!!!!

    O: Personal commentary is irrelevant.

    W: Cindy Crawford just looks like a 40+ woman. What her overall health is like and how it compares to black females I don’t know.

    O: Which I mentioned in my original statements on the matter-in fact, insofar as the Harper’s Bazaar magazine feature is concerned, she is quite exceptional among the former supermodels featured. She still doesn’t age as well as a similarly placed Black Woman, “Americanized” or otherwise.

    Fun Question: Willard, we’ve gone back and forth on this issue, as two Men. But have you noticed that virtually no Woman, White or Black, has said anything to date? Could that be, because they just might agree w/what I’m saying here?

    O

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  341. on August 19, 2009 at 9:50 am Lawyer from Hell

    Lucifer:

    “Lawyer from Hell,

    Even that won’t work.. Technology and OPTIONS have made most human institutions obsolete.

    A lot of what people believe in is already dead.. they just don’t know it yet.”

    Oh, I accept that currently they are dead (although I see technology as only part of the problem, the main one is the inability to see human behavior clearly), I suspect they will get ressurrected in some bizarre frankenstein way during the coming dark age.

    That or the dark age never ends and we descend completely.

    Either there will be some social order that reinvests the Betas in Society, or it is stagnation, and eventual decay. The fact that the culture that rewards Betas is the one that flourishes tells me that eventually it will come back in some form simply because of the advantage it gives.

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  342. on August 19, 2009 at 10:01 am Lawyer from Hell

    “So let me get this straight. You’re saying that my tax rate is high, and it’s better for me to have a wife that soaks up my income than the government? I still fail to see the benefit when the wife will nag me to death, take my money, prevent me from jerking off to porn, and possibly cuckhold me, and I still have the responsibility of taking care of children on a full time basis. Even with a 95% marginal tax rate, I still have the freedom to enjoy the money that I have left. With a family, I don’t enjoy that money, but other people get to enjoy it for me.”

    I wasn’t telling you to get married, just pointing out that you are still supporting those people.

    Arguably, if you did get married, none of that has to happen, nor do you have to accept it. Although personally, I would say don’t get married because its as much a sucker bet as the stock market.

    What I am saying David, is that you would be a hell of a lot happier if you were out chasing some skirts (or in america, some women in pants tailored for women). Nothing is more fun than getting the girl home, or having her curled up next to you.

    And then you go back to your life. As long as you keep your center. The strange thing is the more you do it, the more the rest of your life gets energized. The more adventures you have, the more exciting things you do and happen.

    Live David, Live! You get only one chance! Care not for what another thinks, for their thoughts are less than vapors.

    Why care if the woman thinks you are a Beta, or not? It matters only if she is with you. She will find reasons for it in her own emotions.

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  343. on August 19, 2009 at 10:06 am Lawyer from Hell

    Sad David:

    “As a single man, I’d be able to finance a comfortable lifestyle with railfan and roadgeek trips, photography, and porn while as a married men, I’ll have no money and time for my hobbies and my wife would find my excess porn usage to be insult to her.”

    Are you actually doing all this? As I said, don’t get married. IF nothing else, go find some trashy cougar, while on the roadgeek trip, with blond hair the long nails you like and do her.

    She’ll be grateful.

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  344. xsplat queried:

    @Firepower: Ya, a degree from the school of Bullwinkle has cache. Granted. But you’ve got to round it out with diploma from the school of Roger Ramjet.

    Nah.

    Sounds gay.

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  345. @novaseeker

    It’s also either/or for women: men are either alpha (the male sex class) or beta (the male unsexed class, by and large). All women would prefer alphas to commit to them, but few can swing it, so many/some “settle” for a disappointing beta husband who at least offers some stability and hopefully at least financial hypergamy.

    That’s a David Alexander truism wrapped in a more “sensible” package.

    Wrong dichotomy. Modern men are like modern women — either emotionally mature or emotionally stuck in adolescence.

    That’s how you distinguish the typical egoistic relationship from a real adult relationship. In the real thing, they have adult love, respect, communication, companionship and passion.

    A guy marries, doesn’t cheat on his wife who loves him and supports him until deathbed. Is he alpha or beta? Wrong question to ask.

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  346. A guy marries, doesn’t cheat on his wife who loves him and supports him until deathbed. Is he alpha or beta? Wrong question to ask.

    A Hope —

    Sorry, but that’s just rare. Sure, “only” ~50% of marriages end in divorce, but in the other 50% there are high rates of cheating and unhappiness. Ask any marriage therapist about this.

    You’re clearly an idealist on a blog full of realists, and that’s fine for you, but most of us see that kind of idealism as being plain bullshit.

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  347. Either there will be some social order that reinvests the Betas in Society, or it is stagnation, and eventual decay. The fact that the culture that rewards Betas is the one that flourishes tells me that eventually it will come back in some form simply because of the advantage it gives.

    @ lawyer —

    This, of course, must be true. If/when our civilization collapses, it will eventually be replaced at some stage with a new civilization which cultivates the investment of betas in society — probably through institutional monogamy of some sort. That seems to be the model that works in terms of producing stable, flourishing societies.

    As I see it, it’s all a cycle. Civilizations rise, peak for a while, then fall, and in most cases the liberation of women comes between the peak and the fall, per Unwin’s research. Much of it really *is* beyond our control. Once you accept that reality, it enables you to move on with your life and focus on the here and now more effectively, I find.

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  348. on August 19, 2009 at 10:31 am aussie girl in australia

    PA

    “Good to know I’m not the only one.

    I believe that the observable universe can be measured and explained entirely in mechanistic, materialistic terms, except for first causes and occasional metaphysical phenomena.

    But there is also a transcendent/spiritual plane that exists parallel to the physical world. And Roman Catholicism is the most reliable method for understanding, conducting oneself in harmony with, and aligning oneself with this transcendent plane’s imperatives.”

    You are not the only one. Especially the bit about Roman Catholicism. Of course, that only works if you actually follow the teachings, not simply call yourself a Catholic the way DA does. He clearly does not believe anything the Church teaches.

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  349. Perhaps Auster, like Dennis Mangan, is simply a guy who never had much success with women (being an egghead and lacking game) and now finds himself alone in late middle age.

    The fact that he doesn’t seem to have gainful employment is telling. Likely he is “independently wealthy”, which has kept him away from situations where he might find a mate.

    As an early-middle age beta, I hope I don’t end up like this.

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  350. Long-time lurker.

    Bhetti
    Beidh an dochtuir anseo gan mhoill.

    Induced a few cringes, but at least you tried. Ní raibh gá ailt agat.

    Note for the dumbass betas: An alpha male is *not* necessarily the man who sleeps with a lot of women. He is the man who *could* sleep with a lot of women if he so chose.

    Which is why marrying, or being in a monogamous relationship is not inherently beta.

    It brings up an interesting question though. Keeping in mind the different dynamics in gay relationships, can a man be gay, and still be an alpha male by that definition?

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  351. Sure. See
    Rock Hudson
    Barack Obama
    Dr. grzlickson
    Giani Versace
    Elton John

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  352. You’re clearly an idealist on a blog full of realists, and that’s fine for you, but most of us see that kind of idealism as being plain bullshit.

    What about the host’s promotion of “game” to make happy LTRs and marriages? Is that realism because it takes into account evolutionary psychology and people’s baser natures?

    My statements take into account people’s emotional maturity and degree of self-awareness. Unless you think it’s idealistic for more people to actually learn wisdom through life, to gain communication skills and to balance their superego, ego and id.

    My ideas are borrowed from Joseph Campbell, Frank Herbert, etc. Maybe their ideas and philosophies are bullshit — intelligent people gaining self-actualization, of coming to emotional maturity, of happy unions between men and women. Too difficult for mortals?

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  353. on August 19, 2009 at 11:16 am mandy been here a while

    @PA and aussie girl
    I believe in demon possession as well.

    @gig
    I just left a comment at Mangans that I believe will be censored

    Larry Auster is morally supeior to the game crowd and it is obvious to anyone who reads Roissy and him. but it is hard to grasp how destructive he is for any individual reader

    Because he offers the Monastical solution. He wants us to change ourselves, to place ourselves at the moral higherground and through our self sacrifice save the World and unleash the rebirth of the Christian Order.

    He wants us the be monks in a world turned into a whorehouse. This is why I complain that the Paleo Right is bitter and loser. Just ask yourself who would you like your son to resemble: Roissy or Auster?

    Sometimes Roissy, but other times neither.

    What about Augustine? He played in his youth then his later writings formed most of the basis of Western Civilization for the next 17 centuries.

    Auster writes some really interesting stuff that needs to be out there regardless of his flaws (Roissy has some flaws too but society would be better off if he had a larger audience.)

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  354. i’ve seen women go from zero to sixty in a few seconds way too many times to believe that “frigid” is anything other than a rationalization constructed by sad-sack betas who don’t know how to press attraction buttons

    They’re beta males. It’s nearly impossible for them to induce attraction because women can not be attracted to beta males.

    i’ve seen women go from zero to sixty in a few seconds way too many times to believe that “frigid” is anything other than a rationalization constructed by sad-sack betas who don’t know how to press attraction buttons

    David Alexander is neither caterpillar nor butterfly. He is merely what should be called a sub-human male.

    In non-metaphoric terms he is soon to experience his overdue matruation, brought on by physiological changes and recent life circumstances.

    One should injest high quantities of soy to prevent such a change. A sub-human male with high levels of testertone is merely a danger to society, but a risk to himself as he shifts from faceless, nameless, bland and ineffectual (re: safe) to a potential evil criminal/rapist stereotype.

    I wasn’t telling you to get married, just pointing out that you are still supporting those people.

    It’s cheaper to pay them to go away then to pay them to keep them around.

    What I am saying David, is that you would be a hell of a lot happier if you were out chasing some skirts. Nothing is more fun than getting the girl home, or having her curled up next to you.

    I fail to see how that’s fun when you spend so much time, energy, and effort in an attempt to try and keep her attracted to you. I’d much rather use a fraction of that effort in trying to make myself happy with my hobbies. Alphas expend little effort in trying to attract women, but beta males waste 100% of their time in game in attempt to get women. It’s a waste.

    Live David, Live!

    Only rich people can live. The rest of us are wage slaves.

    Why care if the woman thinks you are a Beta, or not? It matters only if she is with you. She will find reasons for it in her own emotions.

    What other people think is far more important than what I think since their opinions of me affect how they treat me.

    Why care if the woman thinks you are a Beta, or not? It matters only if she is with you. She will find reasons for it in her own emotions.

    If I am a beta, she will treat me like a beta and use me for my money since that’s the only useful thing that beta males offer. She will cheat on me and fuck alpha males on the side, and her emotions will justify that arrangement. The only way to avoid that in my case is to eschew women for any sexual or romantic purpose whether in the short, medium, or long-term.

    Are you actually doing all this?

    I’m a sub-human male with no college degree and without the strength and aptitude for a high paying blue collar job, so no. And no trashy cougar would fuck me when she can have sex with a more virile, stronger, alpha male.

    but in the other 50% there are high rates of cheating and unhappiness

    Then the solution to stop people from getting married in the first place to prevent the cheating and unhappiness.

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  355. As I see it, it’s all a cycle. Civilizations rise, peak for a while, then fall, and in most cases the liberation of women comes between the peak and the fall, per Unwin’s research. Much of it really *is* beyond our control. Once you accept that reality, it enables you to move on with your life and focus on the here and now more effectively, I find.

    Fatalism is for chicks. A civilizaton is considered collapsed when, and only when, its core population group is killed or displaced by someone else. This normally happens via armed invasions.

    It is impossible to overcome today’s West by armed means, but the collapse is happening as we speak, via mass immigration. And there was nothing inevitable about that — it was a wilfull act of its elites, aimed at the centralization of their own power.

    I think you had at some point encouraged this collapse earleir, in complaining that Germany doesn’t have enough Turks or something like that.

    Ultimately, I don’t think thre will be a collapse of the West. There will be a pushpback, maybe a revolution, followed by a partial expulsion and partial assimilation of imigrants, along with the Westerners’ cultural and ethnic reassertion of their right to exist as a people.

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  356. What about the host’s promotion of “game” to make happy LTRs and marriages? Is that realism because it takes into account evolutionary psychology and people’s baser natures?

    @ Hope —

    Precisely. Using LTR Game is being a realist rather than an idealist. It is simply saying: this is what works to maintain attraction over the long term, based on a realistic understanding about how human attraction works, rather than tired, idealistic platitudes.

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  357. Roman Catholicism is the greatest source of beauty on Earth. Nothing matches the architecture, the music, sculpture, the very way of living that Catholic habits induce

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  358. dana:

    what darwinism is incompatible with is christian/leftist/altruist mysticism based morality and kantian duty. the opposite of those things isn’t nihilism, its individualism and rational egoism, and human relationships based on an honest trader relationship and not on primitive, corrupt ties of duty and obligation based in warrantless favors and biological relationships. there is nothing in darwinism that precludes benevolence, love, awe at the beauty of the universe (that feeling of transcendence) even a certain amount of altruism towards those who share your genes.

    See, this is where Auster really shines in his debates with Darwinists, even when his attempts at questioning the scientific basis of Darwinism are at the same time completely wrongheaded. From the point of view of the absolute reductionist materialism that is among the basic premises of Darwinism, all this stuff you mention is no less fictional and lacking any valid (i.e. material) basis than the “baseless house of cards” that you see in traditional theism. If Darwinism is true, then your beliefs are no less superstitious than those of Auster or any other theist. Of course, as a mere lump of complex chemical reactions, you are in no position to do otherwise, since your “beliefs” are merely a name for the momentary state of one particular area of this lump that influences its external appearance to some extent.

    Auster clearly sees the radically nihilistic premises and implications of Darwinism, and while he may be wrong to reject it, his position suffers from less internal contradictions and self-delusions than those Darwinists who attack him as a superstitious fool while at the same time holding in their heads the spectacularly dissonant contradiction of simultaneously believing in Darwinism and holding non-nihilistic positions on other issues. (This regardless of whether they’re able to live with this contradiction due to their misunderstanding of Darwinism or skillful doublethink.)

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  359. on August 19, 2009 at 11:47 am mandy been here a while

    gig

    Funny, I always felt that way about Judaism as an outsider. (Well about the living habits not the architecture and such.) Really I thought it was beautiful and was rather jealous.

    How observant was your family growing up? Do you feel connected tot hat heritage? Are considering converting?

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  360. Have any of you who believe in demons read Frank Peretti? He’s a fiction writer who deals with spiritual warfare in a very interesting way.

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  361. It is simply saying: this is what works to maintain attraction over the long term, based on a realistic understanding about how human attraction works, rather than tired, idealistic platitudes.

    Let’s look at what happens to men with “ideals” over the long term.

    Frank Herbert Herbert was married to Beverly Ann Stuart for almost 40 years and had two children with her. Joseph Campbellwas married to Jean Erdman for 49 years.

    In their writings they espouse the “tired, idealistic platitudes” you so disdain. They talk about emotional maturity and self-actualization. They talk about a deeper bonding with their wives rather than “gaming” them.

    These weren’t stupid men. They knew biology and psychology. They weren’t naive about human sexuality. They knew the weaknesses of both men and women. But why did they end up talking about spiritual growth instead of sleeping around?

    Think about it.

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  362. Sad David,

    Can we start a magazine called “SHM” (like “FHM”, but with explicit nails-hair-boobs porn and rolling stock porn) for those of us facing this quandary? I actually *am* handicapped and unworthy in a lot of ways according to the calculus of a lot of people, and I’m still managing to (rather happily?) diddle a small non-zero number of women of about the attractiveness level of non-date. The most improbable people still like sex, it seems.

    For a man like me, who has to align disabilities and illnesses with his partner(s) so that we can have safe sex once every two weeks, when everyone can walk and breathe properly and no one is having a period and safe sex for sure because, oh, damn, we’re still waiting on the results of that accidental needle stick at the clinic, the travails of a physically, sexually healthy man like you who chooses to renounce all other-person-involved sexuality kinda make me want to barf. I DO have a natural ascetic bent, and I do very well going without, so I would regard it as interesting but normal if you walked away from sexuality in toto. But the pr0n and the fetishism? As a former pr0n addict, I find it troubling. You desire women, really, I’m afraid, and to be blunt, NYC’s urban area is filled with African-American Catholic mystics who have given up on sex–I know, I dated and flubbed the sexual awakening of one of them, a nice Princeton Caribbean girl–and you are not one of them. Either up the Rosicrucianism or get game and get laid, DA.

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  363. Well said Eurosabra – well said. DA do us a favour and absorb this before responding.

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  364. Guys well said about Catholicism. Im from Spain, and I like my heritage just right.
    But today’s church is a bunch of pussies. The tradition has been broken. And by definition it cant come back.

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  365. Re: game and social collapse

    “If you wish to change the behavior of men, you first must change the behavior of women. The penis parades to the pussy tune, not the other way around. ”

    Reread the story (alegory) of Adam & Eve with the above in mind.

    Adam = beta
    Eve = feminist (e.g. not deferrent to Adam)

    Results: man must work ever harder to support womans ways.

    Kinda like what’s happening today, eh?

    We were warned. We (men) let it happen anyway.

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  366. “If you wish to change the behavior of men, you first must change the behavior of women. The penis parades to the pussy tune, not the other way around. ”

    This is true, and what is often misunderstood by social conservatives.

    These social conservatives scoff at the notion that women’s sexuality (and whether it is restrained or un-restrained) is one of the key drivers to civilizational success. They claim that men built civilization and so on, which of course is true, but they fail to admit that the incentive for men to do so was the relative assurance of access to a wife and children in an environment that was relatively stable. Social conservatives agree with the family structure as the core unit of society, but they fail to realize that the core to maintaining the family is maintaining some regulation of female sexuality in the form of monogamy. Without monogamy, all bets are off, and you revert to the ways of sub-saharan africa. Rather than admit this reality (that when women’s sexuality is freed up, women, not men, drive the bus of society full stop), they seem to pretend that men are still by and large in charge of what is happening. Beyond the few elite men at the top (who have a deep stake in the feminist system), that’s simply not the case, and it never is the case when female sexuality is freed up the way it has been.

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  367. I emphatically second Euro’s comments to and about Dave Alex. In just about everyway imaginable Euro debunks Dave’s bullshit ideas and rationalizations. Either Dave ought to get it together, stop making excuses and start living life on its own terms, Game or not-or, he should go his own way and stop jerking off here.

    O

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  368. on August 19, 2009 at 1:40 pm Cannon's Canon

    novaseeker:

    what exactly is a “social conservative” these days? opposing gay marriage and affirmative action seems to earn me that distinction amongst my peers, but these conclusions don’t necessarily spawn from the Partridge Family ideal you seem to be poking at.

    i see a lot of overlap here in these comments with what i’d usually identify as social conservatism. i understand you (and josh xiong, who just linked here) are critiquing more the “religious right.” is there a more suitable title to call myself, to distance myself from that group?

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  369. “they fail to realize that the core to maintaining the family is maintaining some regulation of female sexuality in the form of monogamy”

    The questions are; Where’s the sweet spot for promoting monogamy and family formation vs what the west has now or going the other direction and locking up women and making them wear bags over their heads? and How do we get there?

    One of the reasons that Islam majority countries suck is that huge amounts of time and effort are wasted in making sure that 50 per cent of the population doesn’t contribute anything economically or socially. Obsessing about female purity is a bottomless rathole for a society and while it might survive, it won’t thrive.

    On the other hand, the western preoccupations with short term self-fulfillment and overthrowing overgrown social institutions are a bad mix.

    Unsettling thought: Eastern Europe had/has it more or less right and may have had it more right before the Berlin Wall fell…
    After some dallying with ideas of sexual liberation as the road to empowerment of women, the USSR quickly retreated to promoting traditional family values (as did all the other countries of the Eastern Bloc) while requiring women to get educations and work. What eventually emerged was a model that was neither overly prudish or lewd – women expected (and mostly wanted) to work outside the home and expected and wanted to get married and have families. It’s far from perfect (and has weakened under the onslaught of the last 20 years) but it seems to have better longterm prospects than the anglophone countries’ model (which requires a steady stream of immigrants who are progressively harder to assimilate to keep going).

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  370. Re Australian Girl(“You know you read this blog too much when you dream of Roissy…”): Do you dream of David Alexander??

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  371. Vlad:

    Auster clearly sees the radically nihilistic premises and implications of Darwinism, and while he may be wrong to reject it, his position suffers from less internal contradictions and self-delusions than those Darwinists who attack him as a superstitious fool while at the same time holding in their heads the spectacularly dissonant contradiction of simultaneously believing in Darwinism and holding non-nihilistic positions on other issues. (This regardless of whether they’re able to live with this contradiction due to their misunderstanding of Darwinism or skillful doublethink.)

    Indeed. Which is why I jumped the Randian ship long ago and took up with Nietzsche.

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  372. In case Willard is still reading along…

    Still keeping Cindy Crawford, we can compare her to Mariah Carey, another Women who identifies in every way as Black, though technically she is, like Berry, biracial-her mother is White and her dad is Black from Venuzeula.

    Carey was born in 1970, I believe, making her at present, 39 years old. She was recently featured in the Adam Sandler film “Zohan”. Though she is showing signs of age, it in no way is comparable to Crawford. I post the reason is due to Carey’s African heritage.

    Yet another comparison we can come up with is 70s era model Beverly Johnson. I don’t have any pics that I can point to in her latter 30s going on into her 40s, but I’m fairly confident that she aged better than Crawford.

    Your response, sir?

    O

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  373. what exactly is a “social conservative” these days? opposing gay marriage and affirmative action seems to earn me that distinction amongst my peers, but these conclusions don’t necessarily spawn from the Partridge Family ideal you seem to be poking at.

    i see a lot of overlap here in these comments with what i’d usually identify as social conservatism. i understand you (and josh xiong, who just linked here) are critiquing more the “religious right.” is there a more suitable title to call myself, to distance myself from that group?

    @ cannon —

    I guess social conservatism has, to a large degree, been usurped by the religious right, which may be one of the problems it suffers from. Maybe a new title for people who are anti-feminist, anti-AA, anti-SSM and so on would be something like civilizational conservatives or something like that — similar to social conservative, but not tied to the religious right.

    The questions are; Where’s the sweet spot for promoting monogamy and family formation vs what the west has now or going the other direction and locking up women and making them wear bags over their heads? and How do we get there?

    @ Cliff —

    Well, I don’t think we ever had a tradition of putting bags over women’s heads did we? That’s the tradition of another civilization. It’s funny, though, that often (and not just in your comment here) the suggestion of greater regulation of female sexuality conjures images of Islamic societies, when we used to regulate it in our own civilization without being Islamic about it.

    It’s very unclear to me how to get there from here. I don’t think changing marriage laws would be enough. If we did that without the culture around marriage, monogamy and relationships changing as well, I think a lot of people would simply avoid getting married, and the overall issues would not change. I think that these issues will prove to be very resistant to real change unless and until the impact on women is strongly negative enough that they begin to see the merit in making changes. We’re not there yet, and we’re probably not even that close to being there yet.

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  374. what exactly is a “social conservative” these days? opposing gay marriage and affirmative action seems to earn me that distinction amongst my peers, but these conclusions don’t necessarily spawn from the Partridge Family ideal you seem to be poking at.

    i see a lot of overlap here in these comments with what i’d usually identify as social conservatism. i understand you (and josh xiong, who just linked here) are critiquing more the “religious right.” is there a more suitable title to call myself, to distance myself from that group?

    @ cannon –

    I guess social conservatism has, to a large degree, been usurped by the religious right, which may be one of the problems it suffers from. Maybe a new title for people who are anti-feminist, anti-AA, anti-SSM and so on would be something like civilizational conservatives or something like that — similar to social conservative, but not tied to the religious right.

    The questions are; Where’s the sweet spot for promoting monogamy and family formation vs what the west has now or going the other direction and locking up women and making them wear bags over their heads? and How do we get there?

    @ Cliff –

    Well, I don’t think we ever had a tradition of putting bags over women’s heads did we? That’s the tradition of another civilization. It’s funny, though, that often (and not just in your comment here) the suggestion of greater regulation of female sexuality conjures images of Islamic societies, when we used to regulate it in our own civilization without being Islamic about it.

    It’s very unclear to me how to get there from here. I don’t think changing marriage laws would be enough. If we did that without the culture around marriage, monogamy and relationships changing as well, I think a lot of people would simply avoid getting married, and the overall issues would not change. I think that these issues will prove to be very resistant to real change unless and until the impact on women is strongly negative enough that they begin to see the merit in making changes. We’re not there yet, and we’re probably not even that close to being there yet.

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  375. on August 19, 2009 at 2:00 pm mandy been here a while

    Tupac

    You would really enjoy this if you haven’t already:
    http://www.geocities.com/liudegast/history.html

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  376. “It’s funny, though, that often (and not just in your comment here) the suggestion of greater regulation of female sexuality conjures images of Islamic societies, when we used to regulate it in our own civilization without being Islamic about it.”

    My intention was to set up two exaggerated opposites (western sexual decadence vs Islamic sexual paranoia) not to imply that 50’s suburbia (for example) equals burqaville. I can be dumb, but I’m not that dumb.

    I do think that some relatively simple changes to marriage laws would be a big step in the right direction but there’s no coherent political will for doing even that. Especially since the current situation suits the political class just fine.

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  377. MBHAW:

    Why would I be interested in that shit??

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  378. I do think that some relatively simple changes to marriage laws would be a big step in the right direction but there’s no coherent political will for doing even that. Especially since the current situation suits the political class just fine.

    Very true. It’s just very hard to see how this gets approached any time soon really.

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  379. on August 19, 2009 at 3:01 pm Black Military Man

    “This means that there is no chance your boyfriend is “The One” since it’s impossible for a woman to make a soulmate connection once her gina has tingled over the four corners of the earth”

    ROISSY, I’m surprised that you of all people buy into the corny new age myth of “the one” and “soulmates”.

    There is no such thing as either.

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  380. BMM:

    The Last Pretty Lie has yet to be felled…

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  381. @ mandy

    My family has had 3 bishops in the last 7 generations. I only go to CHurch for marriages, baptisms and the increasingly rare funerals. wrt Judaism, I am sorry, I am on the anti-semites side.

    @ BMM and Tupac

    “the one” is not a pretty lie. “the one” is a girl who is above some attractiveness threshold (7 or +), young (below 25), non-slut (2 partners or less before you) and has a personality that makes fun to be with her.

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  382. @ BMM and Tupca

    we have estimated here before that even in the beast´s lair, like NY or LA, no less than 5% of the girls fit that bill. As Roissy put, maybe 80% of girls in Poland fit the bill. If you consider the “one” to be literaly ONE girl inn the entire population, than you have a pretty lie

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  383. gig, if you want to define it that way, fair enough

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  384. Wendy Schwartz

    Wow, do women actually worry about this? It’s very simple, no man accepts your number whether it’s 1 or 10,000 because they have EGOS. That’s why it is totally pointless to tell him.

    blah blah blah yammer yammer yammer

    In short, if she is evasive about the number, then she’s a total slut and the number is huge. Execute Plan Pump and Dump!

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  385. “The male insecurity trope is the “Get Out of Self Examination Free” card, and is readily whipped out by the Slut&Skank Syndicate and the Fatass Feminist Fatwa whenever their wishful thinking collides with the immutable force of male nature.”

    I agree, it’s nonsense.

    If a guy tells his girl he’s a rapist or a pedophile, and she takes offense, does that mean she’s insecure? No, he’s a scumbag.

    If she’s a miscegenous slut, who, because of age and wanting to settle down, finally stops spreading her legs for sport and wants a (white) man to take care of her, then she’s really just opportunistic and self-serving. It has nothing to do with love. A woman doesn’t sleep with dozens of men to find mister right, she waits until she finds him to have sex. At the very most she would have had a few monogamous relationships.

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  386. on August 19, 2009 at 7:48 pm aussie girl in australia

    Uncle Mike

    RE dreams

    NEVER.

    So far, only Roissy.

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  387. Welmer:
    What’s this piece of starkly beautiful writing?

    Dar el-Harb. House of War. Dar el-Gharb. House of the West.

    The world’s a beautiful, terrible place. Feeling love can make it stand out more clearly. So does sharing it.

    I’m wondering lately if humans find love in its purest and lasting form in their children, not their spouses.

    Well, most experiences of happiness don’t last. It’s still enjoyable and special. As long as you breathe, the potentials are there.

    Dar el-Amn for me. Safety.

    Faolan:

    Induced a few cringes, but at least you tried. Ní raibh gá ailt agat.

    Yeah, if you knew what that said, it is revealed that I have zero knowledge of Gaelic and thus what you just said indeed!

    Lucifer:

    I do not care about sophism.

    Sophie will now join the legions of women you have rejected in favour of… other things.

    as far as DA is concerned:

    He hates himself

    Interesting for me is the idea that logical consistency can apply to feelings. If we are talking about feelings in the frame of a logical construct, then how do you define a logical feeling? The functional definition is emotions and their expression that are socially appropriate. Although one can have some degree of contempt for the self or certain qualities or inability to achieve hopefully realistic goals, to actually hate one’s self is socially inappropriate. Also, logically inconsistent because the whole of the self is recieving a hate that is uniform for no visible, unforgivable act that has been performed which involves the whole of the self. To voice self-hate in a public forum where mercilessness is the word of the day and it has been demonstrated that there is no kind of real help in it is socially inappropriate, attention-seeking and a masochistic act. Recognised rationally as such (his madness, there is method in it!)by the perpetrator.

    Not pertaining to the case in question: Rationality as psychological health has been a debate raging on for a long time. In addition to this, who can be referred to for being the ultimate arbiter of rationality?

    society falsely promises and I cannot say that is irrational.

    Society promises nothing. Certainly it engenders expectations. However, this all depends on the frame of the viewer. Society by its very nature demonstrates examples of all the possibilities. What is logically inconsistent is to limit these possibilities to a pessimistic viewpoint. In some cases, the likelihood of the possibility is increased. But this likelihood is altered by your actions.

    Putting logical inconsistency aside, I thought you hated human beings (“cars”) but you seem concerned about human lives despite your disdain, which is a nice thing to discover.

    I can’t speak for the rest of those in the profession. Status-whoring is certainly the motivation of why my family pushed for medicine and meeting family expectations did play its role. Mine was misguided idealism, a love of science, being overly impressed with the mechanics of surgery I’ve observed, a curiosity about people’s narratives and financial plus job security. I would’ve been better off if I went into different fields re: financial security. I think some masochism still plays a role in the genuine self-sacrifice component of it.

    If there is […] a genuinely crippled soul on this blog, it’s the sad case of one Lucifer.

    That I agree with. And I sure hope so about DA.

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  388. partial assimilation of imigrants

    Does white shift from just being a race with certain physical and internal traits to a mental concept where those of like minded views of Western Civilization share the same space?

    Do you dream of David Alexander??

    Women only have nightmares about David Alexander, unless you consider women dreaming of killing him to count.

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  389. I actually *am* handicapped

    Do you mind explaining in details? It’s not that I doubt you, but I’m just curious since one would expect that being handicapped would basically scare away women for sexual purposes except for the desperate or delusional.

    I’m still managing to (rather happily?) diddle a small non-zero number of women of about the attractiveness level of non-date

    Yes, but what is the quality of these women? Are they women that alphas won’t even touch? I just don’t see how game can magically smite disability when there isn’t a shortage of alpha males willing to pump and dump.

    the travails of a physically, sexually healthy man like you who chooses to renounce all other-person-involved sexuality kinda make me want to barf.

    Why would it make you barf? I’ve recognized that I have zero sexual value, and I act rationally based upon those choices. It makes far more sense for me to just opt-out and renounce sex than to do anything to secure sex and that even includes the non-game acts such as the mere act of asking a woman out on a date.

    But the pr0n and the fetishism? As a former pr0n addict, I find it troubling.

    There is nothing wrong with having a fetish and using porn to cater to those fetishes and quell sexual desire. I’d much rather deal with it on my terms than on her terms.

    Either up the Rosicrucianism or get game and get laid, DA.

    I swear on a Bible that I will never, ever use game.

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  390. on August 20, 2009 at 3:36 am Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    In case Willard is still reading along…

    Still keeping Cindy Crawford, we can compare her to Mariah Carey, another Women who identifies in every way as Black, though technically she is, like Berry, biracial-her mother is White and her dad is Black from Venuzeula.

    Listen, I know you are a mentally limited person both intellectually and emotionally. For racial reasons you as a black male in America have a very difficult time coming to terms with many things. Your people have been the White man’s bitch for 400 years and it has clearly left some indelible marks on your psyche.

    I have tried to school you but you are a problem student.

    This is the last go around for you kid on this issue because I’m bored with your evasions.

    Now, again, when discussing the BIOLOGY of race and aging the mixed race, SOCIALLY identified so called black women are NOT available as test samples. Having White mothers means they not only are light skinned it means they have inherited ALL of the mother’s mitochondrial DNA and half her nuclear DNA. This contributes to her total phenotype and effects ALL issues of cellular development.

    Hallie Berry, Megan Goode, Mariah Carey and so many others are outside the racial sample for BIOLOGICAL and genetic reasons independent of their religion, language, political party membership or racial self identification.

    Carey was born in 1970, I believe, making her at present, 39 years old. She was recently featured in the Adam Sandler film “Zohan”. Though she is showing signs of age, it in no way is comparable to Crawford. I post the reason is due to Carey’s African heritage.

    Other than at times looking like a human manatee. I’m willing to look at her in a bikini after having two children. Just for the laughs alone. But again it’s irrelevant for bio genetic reasons.

    Yet another comparison we can come up with is 70s era model Beverly Johnson. I don’t have any pics that I can point to in her latter 30s going on into her 40s, but I’m fairly confident that she aged better than Crawford.

    I don’t know what Beverly Johnson’s health is like but in this picture she looks like a transsexual to me. If turning into a black trannie is your idea of aging well then so be it. Maybe that’s the down low brotha in you coming out.

    But lets take two other “pioneering” black models, who were truly biologically black, Naomi Sims and Tamara Dobson.

    Sims died of cancer recently at age 61 and Dobson died a few years ago at age 62 of MS and pneumonia.

    Did they age well? Did they have grey hair and wrinkles?

    They’re dead and gone of natural causes at relatively young ages. They didn’t age well whether their skin got saggy or not.

    Or take the black actress Shirley Hemphill who has a look typical of black women all over America.

    Dead of kidney failure at age 52. Did she age well?

    So in conclusion –

    1. aging well involves more than surface aesthetic issues. Better to be alive and fit and heathly with wrinkles than be disease ridden or dead.

    2. better looking, sexier people age aesthetically more noticeably than plane janes or fuglies.

    So the facts are black females the world over die sooner, become diseased and deteriorate faster in terms of overall all health sooner than White women.

    White woman on average are SIGNIFICANTLY better looking than black females so their aesthetic aging, as opposed to totally biological aging, is often more noticeable.

    Black women generally look like shit from beginning to end of life so people just don’t notice or care.

    We all notice a beautiful flower that has begun to wilt. Who notices the wilting weed?

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  391. on August 20, 2009 at 3:51 am Willard Libby

    Wendy Schwartz

    Wow, do women actually worry about this? It’s very simple, no man accepts your number whether it’s 1 or 10,000 because they have EGOS. That’s why it is totally pointless to tell him.

    If no man accepts the number whether it’s one or ten thousand then if you are truly not a virgin why not tell the truth? What are you afraid of, lowering your market value?

    You have told strangers on here that you have been sexually promiscuous since age thirteen. You’ve been a stripper and club dancer. Why not be open and honest with a man about your sexual history? Just put the info out there and if he doesn’t like it he can leave.

    Are you afraid you will be an object of contempt if a man finds out about your sluttier years? Would you feel trashy if he found out you had sex with a half black boyfriend as a teenager so you say he was “just a friend” and it was non sexual?

    Why be so calculating? Why not give a man a chance to accept or reject you based on who you actually are and what your true sexual history has been?

    You are abnormally outspoken, aggressive and independent compared to most women. Why are you so close mouthed and reluctant when it comes to honestly discussing the number of sexual partners with a man you are dating?

    What do you fear might happen?

    And let’s be honest it’s all about fear.

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  392. Okay, to clarify: I have Scheuermann’s kyphosis, a curvature of the spine. So basically I’m a hunchback, one halfie modo, “Ô tout ce que j’ai aimé”, etc. It also tends to magnify abdominal body fat. I also have lupus with arthritis and some kidney involvement. Most of the time I’m mobile without a cane, sometimes with, and rarely, I’ve had to use a wheelchair, mainly within hospitals. In general, it was utter shite in my teenage and (less so) in my college years, with a lot of women basically saying to my face “You’ll never find anyone” or “Maybe once you have money” and variants thereof. Oddly, some women have always been attracted to me, and I felt that if I hadn’t been so thoroughly pushed into depression by constant verbal abuse and bullying, I’d have had a fairly normal count of relationships by now.

    As for quality, yes, if my game were a bit better, I’d be doing 7s and 8s consistently, instead of a 7 once in a blue moon, and taking up my time with soothing the sexual shortfall provided by American men to women with various unconventional body types. Yes, we sexually ghettoize the handicapped, and I’m both living proof and a beneficiary. On the other hand, I don’t “get” why this is a minus of game, as opposed to the underdeveloped part of my game.

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  393. Admit or not admit – it depends from the both partners. It seems your society is more ‘open mind’ than our, but stupid jealous men and women present anywhere….

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  394. “If no man accepts the number whether it’s one or ten thousand then if you are truly not a virgin why not tell the truth? What are you afraid of, lowering your market value?”

    It’s just not something that’s necessary for a couple to discuss (except perhaps if you are a virgin or very inexperienced). I do not talk about my one previous sexual partner to my boyfriend, and he doesn’t know what sexual experience I’ve had (although I imagine it was very obvious that I had hardly been touched before). He’s never asked, but even if he had he wouldn’t really want to hear about me having sex with some other guy. I don’t want to hear about the women he’s had sex with, either.

    I never see relationships breaking off because of their ‘number’, but it’s always an argument, or someone has bad feelings about it (girls as much as guys).

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  395. on August 20, 2009 at 11:22 am Black Military Man

    Are PUA’s and their cult-worshippers Repubs, Dems, Greens, Libertaris or Indepens?

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  396. Hello Willard,

    Replies below…

    WILLARD: Listen, I know you are a mentally limited person both intellectually and emotionally. For racial reasons you as a black male in America have a very difficult time coming to terms with many things. Your people have been the White man’s bitch for 400 years and it has clearly left some indelible marks on your psyche.

    OBSIDIAN: Ad Hominem will get you everywhere…

    W: I have tried to school you but you are a problem student.

    O: As Mr. Miyagi says: no such thing as a bad student; only bad teachers.

    W: This is the last go around for you kid on this issue because I’m bored with your evasions.

    O: Pot, meet Kettle…

    W: Now, again, when discussing the BIOLOGY of race and aging the mixed race, SOCIALLY identified so called black women are NOT available as test samples. Having White mothers means they not only are light skinned it means they have inherited ALL of the mother’s mitochondrial DNA and half her nuclear DNA. This contributes to her total phenotype and effects ALL issues of cellular development.

    O: Then using the bulk of Black Women in America would not be acceptable, since as I’ve proven using examples like Jill Scott, most Black Americans have at least some White ancestry in them (notably, prior to the 20th century, White Males impregnating those Shirly Hemphill-type Black Women you spoke of below…)

    W: Hallie Berry, Megan Goode, Mariah Carey and so many others are outside the racial sample for BIOLOGICAL and genetic reasons independent of their religion, language, political party membership or racial self identification.

    O: As are again, Black American Women like Jill Scott and Beyonce’, neither of whom have White mothers, per your “parameters”.

    O: Carey was born in 1970, I believe, making her at present, 39 years old. She was recently featured in the Adam Sandler film “Zohan”. Though she is showing signs of age, it in no way is comparable to Crawford. I post the reason is due to Carey’s African heritage.

    W: Other than at times looking like a human manatee. I’m willing to look at her in a bikini after having two children. Just for the laughs alone. But again it’s irrelevant for bio genetic reasons.

    O: OK, well then your personal observations are irrelevant.

    O: Yet another comparison we can come up with is 70s era model Beverly Johnson. I don’t have any pics that I can point to in her latter 30s going on into her 40s, but I’m fairly confident that she aged better than Crawford.

    W: I don’t know what Beverly Johnson’s health is like but in this picture she looks like a transsexual to me. If turning into a black trannie is your idea of aging well then so be it. Maybe that’s the down low brotha in you coming out.

    O: I would be willing to take both an HIV test and Polygraph to prove that I am not a homosexual in any way and post the results of both on YouTube…on the sole condition that you’d be willing to do the same. Shall we make arrangements?

    W: But lets take two other “pioneering” black models, who were truly biologically black, Naomi Sims and Tamara Dobson.

    O: We could also consider Grace Jones, another very popular runway model in the 70s.

    W: Sims died of cancer recently at age 61 and Dobson died a few years ago at age 62 of MS and pneumonia.

    W: Did they age well? Did they have grey hair and wrinkles?

    O: I honestly don’t know, I’m not as familiar w/the fashion world as say, Chic Noir apparently is. Perhaps she’s familiar w/the names and can provide additional commentary and insight.

    W: They’re dead and gone of natural causes at relatively young ages. They didn’t age well whether their skin got saggy or not.

    O: OK, though we can honestly say that often cancer isn’t as “natural” as you may want to believe. Just sayin.

    W: Or take the black actress Shirley Hemphill who has a look typical of black women all over America.

    O: Really? How so? Please explain?

    W: Dead of kidney failure at age 52. Did she age well?

    O: I do not know, I hadn’t seen her since the What’s Happening tv show of the 70s.

    W: So in conclusion –

    1. aging well involves more than surface aesthetic issues. Better to be alive and fit and heathly with wrinkles than be disease ridden or dead.

    O: That was never in dispute. Strawman 101.

    W: 2. better looking, sexier people age aesthetically more noticeably than plane janes or fuglies.

    O: Not in the cases I’ve mentioned: Berry to Crawford, Carey to Crawford, etc, et al. And if anything, nice looking White Women go “fugly” a whole lot sooner than Black Women do. Harper’s Bazaar magazine proves it. By the way, you never did say whether you’ve actually seen said issue or not…

    W: So the facts are black females the world over die sooner, become diseased and deteriorate faster in terms of overall all health sooner than White women.

    O: Again, strawman-the issue either way, was never in dispute. And as the CDC confirms, the average lifespan of the Amercian Black Woman is only a few years behind the average American White Woman, which is roughly 75 years of age.

    W: White woman on average are SIGNIFICANTLY better looking than black females so their aesthetic aging, as opposed to totally biological aging, is often more noticeable.

    O: This is arguably a purely subjective comment and observation. What I’ve done is taken very well known Women and compared them in terms of gracefulness in aging. You have rejected said comparisons because the Black Women weren’t “Black enough” for you. Then we cannot truly say that any African American is “Black”, yes?

    W: Black women generally look like shit from beginning to end of life so people just don’t notice or care.

    O: Hmm. Interesting statement, given that Oprah Winfrey is one of the most noticeable Black female faces on the planet. And that’s just for starters.

    W: We all notice a beautiful flower that has begun to wilt. Who notices the wilting weed?

    O: That presupposes that all White Women are the former and not the latter, w/the inverse being true for Black Women-again a purely personal comment on your part, and hence a non-sequitur-with all due respect.

    Now-shall we try again?

    O

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  397. Roissy said:

    “btw, sweden is slowly islamicizing because swedish chicks prefer banging it out with the manlier (read: more dominant) immigrants. is this a good thing for swedish civilization in the long run? if so, explain your reasoning.”

    The answer is Yes, because it will inject a dose of much-needed maculinity into the Swedish gene pool. The basic problem in Sweden is that Swedish men are herbs. Their other problems flow from that primary cause.

    The solution is for Swedish women to breed with the most masculine men available, which in this case are immigrants. As a result of this interbreeding, the mixed-race future generations of Swedes will be more manly and less herbly than they would be if they were pure Swedish, and that will be good.

    The losers, of course, are the herbs whose genes will not be passed on, but that is how evolution works. Those who are less fit are weeded out. Think of the modern passive beta male as an evolutionary dead end, an experiment that failed.
    The future will march on without them.

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  398. on August 21, 2009 at 10:49 am Black Military Man

    Actually, tanned or brown skin camoflouges cellulite, spider veins and other minor flaws. That’s one reason why white women are so into tanning. But then tanning later wrinkles them so it’s a catch 22.

    As the saying goes “black don’t crack” and it’s true, our wrinkles and other flaws are not as noticeable. However, if we were to sun worship like white folks, we’d also wrinkle like them.

    But we don’t, so we don’t.

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  399. The original argument was ‘black’ women, which we all know means anyone who has enough African blood for it to be obvious to the naked eye. ‘West Africans’ have nothing to do with anything. All black women here, for the sake of argument, are not considered ‘mixed’.

    Model edition:

    Veronica Webb, born 1965. Then:http://www.veronicawebbisode.com/
    Now:http://www.veronicawebbisode.com/#/photogallery

    Cindy Crawford, born 1966.
    Then:http://media.photobucket.com/image/cindy%20crawford/maxplaya4/CindyCrawford2.jpg
    Now: http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/42/8/2banner.0.0.0×0.432×343.jpeg

    Naomi Campbell, born 1970
    Then: http://media.photobucket.com/image/naomi%20campbell/NrllAless/blog/news/naomi-campbell-ysl.jpg
    Now: http://vivreboutique.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/naomi_campbell.jpg

    Claudia Schiffer, born 1970
    Then: http://topnews.in/files/Claudia-Schiffer-028.jpg
    Now:http://images.askmen.com/galleries/model/claudia-schiffer/pictures/claudia-schiffer-picture-1.jpg

    Beverly Johnson, born 1952
    Then: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_49_oglSjFeM/SSxhEBh-59I/AAAAAAAAA-E/hxYepK-uYz0/s320/BeverlyJohnson-Don%27tLoseTheFeeling.jpg
    Now: http://images.askmen.com/photos/beverly-johnson/26771.jpg

    Janice Dickinson, born 1953
    Then: http://www.nndb.com/people/491/000047350/janice-book.jpg
    Now:http://l.yimg.com/l/tv/us/img/site/03/22/0000030322_20060924062553.jpg

    Black women go from beauty to a mature, more manly look. White women go from beauty to wrinkled hagdom (also manly, but worse). I don’t care what your personal tastes are – all women above (well, except maybe Bev Johnson who has always been a bit masculine) are objectively attractive.

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  400. @x

    Let me focus on this:

    “What is the ultimate goal that men want for women? On one hand, we want to sleep with many so having more sluts would be preferable. On the other hand, we want long-term relationship women to have minimal sex partners so this suggests that women should be less slutty. How can this Catch-22 be resolved?”

    There is no Catch-22.

    The more sluts the merrier. If she is not a slut make her one. Treat her as one.

    There is no ‘on the other hand’, LTRs or marriage. Unless you are religious, or stupid.

    Women are essentially toilets. A single function device. You shouldn’t mind how many men before you have used it; if you need to use it you will. There is no emotional bonding with a toilet.

    That said, you may be repulsed and refrain from using the toilet if someone forgot to flush, the flush handle’s broken, someone just puked all over the place etc. It’s a case by case thing. If you decide not to use it you can look for another cleaner toilet.

    I hope my explanation is concise and succinct.

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  401. @spunk – “I hope my explanation is concise and succinct.”

    You forgot stupid.

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  402. on August 23, 2009 at 8:18 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””’if she pisses him off, he’ll make her fuck/suck other guys under his watch as a punishment. and not top-of-the-totem-pole type guys, either – he’ll occasionally do shit like make her fuck the next x number of willing guys** who walk through the door of a biker bar or adult store.
    until she does so, he won’t even fuck her again.
    for her it’s a double bonus – she gets to be a no-holds-barred dirty slut, of the type that most men go through their entire lives believing to exist only in porn, and she worships him so much that it makes her even hotter to “earn back” fucking privileges from him.

    it works for him, too, because it cements his ownership over her, and the fact that she’ll do anything, anything, on his say-so.
    rumor has it that he pimps her out, and of course won’t let her keep a dime of it for herself.
    he says that if he meets another couple like them, they’ll make the girls fight each other for bets, cockfight style, while he stands around joking with the other guy.

    [editor: sounds like something straight out of ‘story of O’.]

    this could never work for a guy who wasn’t a total super alpha on the roissy scale. that sort of thing would turn into a cuck situation in a heartbeat.
    ”””””””””””””” I will try to never read the story of o

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  403. Gunny the Story of O is a classic. Written by a woman to her lover. He didn’t believe a woman would be able to write erotica in less than a flowery way. In a series of letters to her lover she wrote the tale. He had them published but as if she were a man. It proves that women have just as dark (if not darker) desires as a man. I think it also emphasises the point that at the root of most (there are outliers too) women’s desires we want be owned by our men. Women get dissatisfied in marriage when their men no longer claim them like they used to. This is not only sexual but in the mundane like managing the household decisions to managing her behaviours. When women are allowed to run wild they will. If they can they will find another man who will once again tame the beast within and she will in turn give him her heart.

    Men can learn a lot about women from reading the book. Just sayin…

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  404. I think it also emphasises the point that at the root of most (there are outliers too) women’s desires we want be owned by our men.

    And obviously, I hate that desire because it implies a lack of maturity. If you want to be owned by your man, you’re not an adult, but a grown child with no self-control and that isn’t attractive at all. Taking care of children is already heard enough, but I don’t need a grown child in my life that should be managing it’s own affairs, but is too stupid to do so.

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  405. Who ages better,black chicks,white,asian…who cares? You dont fuck the race,you fuck the best girl you can get. The important thing as far as blacks are concerned is that Morgan Freeman is our bright shining symbol of all that is good and holy!

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  406. […] Tupac Chopra made me laugh with this comment: Auster is Don Imus to Roissy’s Howard […]

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  407. @ hope

    Be careful.

    “Let’s look at what happens to men with “ideals” over the long term.

    Frank Herbert Herbert was married to Beverly Ann Stuart for almost 40 years and had two children with her. Joseph Campbellwas married to Jean Erdman for 49 years.

    In their writings they espouse the “tired, idealistic platitudes” you so disdain. They talk about emotional maturity and self-actualization. They talk about a deeper bonding with their wives rather than “gaming” them.

    These weren’t stupid men. They knew biology and psychology. They weren’t naive about human sexuality. They knew the weaknesses of both men and women. But why did they end up talking about spiritual growth instead of sleeping around?

    Think about it.”

    Remember I told you all of those things. And when I did you told me about Roissy and you posted here. And now you have changed your tune and preach my words.

    What sort of creature are you Rose?

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