Never Take Girl Advice From A Beta Or A Gay Man

In what has to be one of the most ignorant interpretations of game and its associated techniques I’ve read in a long time, some mincing little betaboy named Conor Friedersdorf, who looks like he was born to be a stay-at-home cuckold, wrote an article lashing out at men who dare to learn how better to attract women. Andrew Sullivan, the jihadist Homosexualist gay man who knows what it’s like being a straight man picking up women, gave Conor (what a precious name!) a platform on his blog to berate men who use negs as a courtship tactic. Conor found great offense in a post he read by occasional commenter Sebastian Flyte at his blog Elysium Revisited, and cried emo tears of sanctimonious envy that his cotton candy la-la land of soulmates and Hollywood love was being crapped on so mightily by men who know a thing or two about how women operate.

Of course, the belief that one acts amorally by manipulating women quickly leads to abhorrent behavior. The rogue who is zealous for sexual conquest at least understands that he acts badly if he uses deception to get sex. The cerebral “player,” exemplified by [Sebastian Flyte], doesn’t grasp that anything is the matter with his behavior.

As a result, he is quite unabashed as he describes a male behavior that I’ve observed on many occasions, and that I abhor more than any other mainstream pickup technique. Though I’d never heard it referred to as such, Sebastian Flyte dubs it “the Neg,” and calls it “the Swiss army knife of pickup.”

All goal-oriented communication is a form of manipulation. When you try to convince a friend to see a movie that you saw and loved, you are attempting to manipulate your friend’s emotions so that he cannot resist the urge to go see it himself. Manipulation is as permanent and commonplace a feature of the human condition as is eating. Some of us are just better at it than others.

Friedersdork “abhors” the neg. It’s “abhorrent behavior”. Funny that something so abhorrent should cause women to respond so positively to its use.

I’ve never seen anyone do this to a woman [the neg] who hasn’t seemed to me a complete asshole even beforehand — and I’ve been dismayed at the frequency with which it works.

Betas like Conor HATE HATE HATE alpha males. The guy who doesn’t kiss up to women like the proudly chivalric beta champion of all that is noble and good is an automatic asshole. What motivates this tepid beta spittle? Is it that assholes discredit the Power of the Pedestal that betas reflexively place women upon? A lifetime of illusions shattered by one well-placed neg? I bet Conor is a feminist.

Fascinating, isn’t it? The author perceives a world wherein women unjustly pass over beta males in favor of alpha males. He justifies the insults in the same way that MIA justifies Third World robbery and murder: as a tool that is the only choice of the dispossessed to achieve equality.

This must be a first. Freidersdorf compared the neg to robbery and murder. A helpful clue, Conor: Women *like* being negged. It turns them on like a nice rack and a tight ass turns on men. Robbery and murder victims don’t get sexually intrigued by their assailants as far as I know.

Over at Sullivan’s histrionically Ghey Emporium of Steroidal Delights, our intrepid Master of His Own Domain further reflects on the seduction community and posts comments from readers.

The difference [between a neg and a compliment] is that while compliments or put downs can be either truthful or disingenuous, only put downs lower the self-esteem of the target. In most contexts, it seems obvious that it is wrong to gratuitously put people down for selfish ends. Why is dating different?

Newflash: The mating market is inherently selfish. How many women are offering free pussy access to homeless bums or pining niceguys? How many women expect *absolutely nothing* from a boyfriend or husband? You are a product, on display in a window case, for potential mates to inspect and deem worthy or unworthy. This goes for men and women. Humans are not exempt from the basic laws of the market just because we have the mental capacity to gussy up the dismal bartering of our innate goods and services with soul-sparing pretty lies.

Newsflash #2: Negs aren’t insults. They are edgy teasing. Is this distinction so difficult to grasp?

Newsflash #3: If “putting down” women is so wrong, why does it feel so right to them?

That some men cannot understand this really boggles my mind, and makes me suspect that they aren’t even thinking of women as being people (interestingly, some of these men seem to think of women as less than human, and others as superhuman). Every man can imagine how he would feel if a woman approached him at a bar, assessed his dress or some physical feature, and breezily made some cutting public remark: “You dress like a guy who has a small dick.” Yet numerous correspondents seem utterly unable to imagine that women might also feel badly if criticized this way.

Conor Friedersdorf, beta of the month candidate, has no understanding of negs.

Moreover, if I concede that some women find these kinds of put-downs thrilling — I’ll do so for the sake of argument — the problem remains that a guy out approaching strangers in a bar cannot reliably distinguish between that kind of woman, if indeed she exists, and the kind of woman who’ll be quite wounded by a deprecating remark made about her by a stranger.

Conor Freidersdorf suffers from the same mental disease that afflicts most betas and all women — the frantically held belief that women are individual wonders of joy and incomprehensible mystery who cannot ever be generalized about. Except that their belief is bogus. Women mostly share the same criteria in what they find attractive in men, and beautiful women with high sexual market value share these criteria even more strongly than less attractive women who must compromise more to find a mate. Men don’t need to reliably distinguish between women who like getting negged and women who don’t, because almost all women like it. It’s part of their prehistoric coding. The only distinctions men need to take into account when deciding whether to use a neg are the hotness of his targets and the edginess of his negs. The less hot the chick relative to his own status, the lighter he can go on the negs without dooming himself to rejection or the LJBF zone.

[T]hose who use “the neg” concede that the pickup techniques they use succeed in part because they are unabashed about getting shot down many times in a night before they find someone for whom the technique works. Thus “the neg” is used on many women who are insulted but unsold, and who haven’t any intention of having casual sex.

Selection bias is an overused gotcha! counterargument by betas who wish to believe men cannot control how many women find them attractive. They think they are onto the “real” reason PUAs do well with women — numbers of approaches! game only works on girls that game works on! — but they are engaging in tautological handwaving. Certainly there is a learning curve where a guy will approach a lot of women to get his technique down pat, but once his skills are acquired he can dial down his approaches to the same number of women he approached before he learned game and still experience much greater success.

Advice: being yourself from the beginning might result in fewer relationships begun — but it’ll also result in fewer relationships lost.

This sounds like the happy slogan of beta self-abnegators anonymous, but the opposite could just as easily be true. If being yourself results in fewer relationships begun, it will also result in losing more of the few relationships you do manage to get. For if women don’t like aspects of your personality up front, they are going to like those aspects even less two years deep into an LTR.

This pretty lie is heard so often by guys like Conor that it’s become a Rorschach test for glimpsing the sordid inner workings of the beta mind. To the typical equalist pissbucket beta, there is no such thing as a useful generalization. Women are all individual creatures of deep deep individuality who go for all kinds of men. So maybe you can arouse that girl over there by using a neg on her, but there are ten more girls who would never fall for it. So you must… MUST… treat women as individuals. Eventually, you’ll find that perfect match who LOVES YOU FOR YOU. Nevermind that a guy like Johnny Depp or Scott Peterson gets thousands of times more attention from women than Milton the stapler guy.

Friedersbeta goes on to quote his favorite reader e-mail:

How does one determine if a pickup technique has “worked”? What counts as success? You say that “the neg” does indeed work sometimes. What does that mean? I guess it depends on what the pickupper’s goals are. But I bring this up because that discussion about pickup techniques seemed to assume that women are all looking for nice guys to have solid relationships with – they could be seduced by “the neg” and then get burned. But women can spot pickup techniques that are disrespectful and still respond positively (outwardly). A man who uses “the neg” or some other slimy pickup technique can be taken to be someone whose feelings are not of great importance. So he could be used for free drinks, free tickets, meaningless sex, whatever – and all without guilt because, hey, he’s no better, right? It may not be moral, but it is fair. A man’s pickup techniques can signal exactly where he belongs on the relationship food chain. Has a guy who has used “the neg” and then ends up buying lots of drinks been successful? Depends on if he likes buying women drinks, I guess.

I hate to break it to this reader, but a man who knows about negs and uses them to great effect is a man who is smart enough to know not to buy women drinks. Until after sex. Heh.

Beta of the Month candidate:

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  1. i want to fuck him

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  2. Is Roissy causing riots in the public mind? Negs as murder and robbery? Damn, the left must hate language because they torture it daily. This reminds me of the Esquire guy who was nice enough to get his au pair dates on match.com.

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  3. 1. never take dating advice from a woman either. especially your mom.

    2. i was at my local last night, with my ladyfriend. beside us is a cutie, with big juggs, on display. THREE guys came up to her and tried to chat her up before her alpha manfriend showed up, fifteen minutes late of course. Life is tough for pretty young things ain’t it. This is what you are up against gents.

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  4. on July 28, 2009 at 1:43 pm smoothvirus

    LAWL at the triple HATE.

    As for women, Hemingway had it right:

    “When you have shot one bird flying you have shot all birds flying. They are all different and they fly in different ways but the sensation is the same and the last one is as good as the first.”

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  5. @ Firepower

    Me too…

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  6. on July 28, 2009 at 1:53 pm It's My First Day

    This guy is the beta of the year. Most of the other candidates are at least the way they are by default and aren’t aware that there is a better way. Our pansy friend Conor, on the other hand, is going out of his way to propagate his pathetic rationalizations that prop up his beta world view.

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  7. on July 28, 2009 at 1:58 pm It's My First Day

    …directly in the face of a better paradigm.

    (edit to my last sentence)

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  8. on July 28, 2009 at 1:59 pm Seeking Alpha

    I wonder if the whole thing isn’t more of a misunderstanding than anything else.

    Would he have a problem with the neg if he say a proper one in action? The giant smile on the girls face as she playfully hits you and says ‘I am/do not!’

    Side story:

    I’ve got over a year til I’m getting married and I’ve obviously been thinking about a pre-nup. I knew it wasn’t going to be a fun conversation but that it was necessary.

    Well we were meeting with the rabbi last night to discuss the ceremony and at the end of it, he becomes my best friend:

    “I would highly recommend a pre-nup. Some rabbis wouldn’t even do the ceremony without one. I’m not that strict, but I strongly suggest you get one.”

    Being non-religious, I wasn’t really looking forward to meeting with the guy… what a nice surprise!

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  9. on July 28, 2009 at 2:00 pm totalesturns

    Friedersdorf’s not a leftist, he’s a SWPL center-righty like Ross Douthat. (His main writing gig is at Douthat’s pre-NYT blog, theamericanscene.com) Ideologically, he could be doing a lot worse, but like most traditionalist-minded geeky guys, he has a big, pedestal-shaped blindspot.

    Take a look at this article-length piece of white knighting disguised as arts journalism:

    http://theamericanscene.com/2009/06/07/the-most-compelling-woman-in-brooklyn

    I’d finished a second oversized Tecate before I drummed up the courage to talk to her. I weaved my way through several hundred gyrating hipsters, leaned up against a makeshift plywood bar, and hesitated. How does one strike up a conversation with a beautiful woman when your head only rises to the level of her shins? Luckily she contorted her legs such that we could talk for a couple minutes. Too quickly for my taste, however, she got called away by an event promised on the party invitation: “The brash brass of the Hungry March Band will storm the main floor with all the heat and lust that funk and bass drums inevitably inspire,” it said. “Along for the ride will be the Society of the Spectacle: a massive puppet and lewd stilt feat of beauty and integrity.”

    A feat of beauty and integrity is a pretty succinct description of Anya, whose friendship I’ve since enjoyed.

    I bet you have, bro, I bet you have. Emphasis on the “friendship.”

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  10. I’m not sure why “negs” work.

    As a woman if a man insults me or even teases me, I begin to think he doesn’t like me and I loose interest….

    But apparently some women like this, and I’m so glad I don’t date women.

    A

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  11. slow 80’s clap for Roissy.

    You’d think a barebacking bedhopping fag like Sullivan would get how dating is selfish and how women are turned on by the challeneg of proving themselves socially after being teased. Was he riding all those guys in the past for their pleasure, or for his? Has he never engaged in a bitch fight to prove who the top queen is for a twink?

    Then again, as a gay man, he has a vested interest in fucking things up for straight men. The fewer straight relationships—more worshipping fat girls for him—and the more lonely men he can get drunk/high and have a lost weekend with.

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  12. on July 28, 2009 at 2:03 pm ironrailsironweights

    I wouldn’t be quite so quick to dismiss dating advice from gay guys. They often have a good idea of what goes on in women’s minds.

    Peter

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  13. on July 28, 2009 at 2:03 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Roissy, an absolutely brilliant posting.

    But I disagree with the last paragraph. You write:

    I hate to break it to this reader, but a man who knows about negs and uses them to great effect is a man who is smart enough to know not to buy women drinks. Until after sex. Heh.

    I can understand a barefoot artist feeling that way inclined, but those of us who earn a decent income realise that there is a trade off between time and money. When I was a golden but well-heeled laddo I frequently shelled out a couple of bucks on buying a drink for the girl rather than wasting too much time on verbal alpha-isms.

    It’s a matter of probabilities:

    Example:

    ($5 for a drink + 30 minutes) x 10 occasions = 1 hit

    or $50 + 5 hours per legover

    60 minutes per game x 10 occasions = 1 hit

    or 10 hours per legover.

    Take your pick. I’d prefer to save the 5 hours and pay $50 (but I’m sorta loaded).

    Crude math but, I think, solid reasoning.

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  14. I never neg. I just roll up in this t-shirt and that is all the DHV I need. It is an unspoken neg, that she will never be as cool as me.

    http://www.threadless.com/product/1960/Three_Keyboard_Cat_Moon

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  15. Re “Firepower”: “I want to fuck him.” You mean the beta??? Are u a broad? And…why?? Well,be that as it may,I love to see these moist,whimpering holier than thou betas get their well deserved drubbing!

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  16. I like how mainstream people think negging=game. You’ll have an influx of lazy guys doing nothing but negs, making the guys with the whole game package perform especially well.

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  17. Awesome post. Conor’s the kinda guy that lets his women friend walk all over him hoping one of them will trip someday and land on his cock. AKA the pity lay.

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  18. on July 28, 2009 at 2:14 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Heh, Roissy, I was wondering when you’d get around to skewering this Friedersdorf ass. Roissy readers will like my takedown of Friedersdorf, published last week:

    http://fbardamu.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/conor-friedersdorf-a-social-conservative-who-just-doesnt-get-it/

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  19. on July 28, 2009 at 2:17 pm Loon_Jobbie

    This advice also extends to women. Gay men are promoted by the hostile elites as a reservoir of wisdom that women should depend on for fashion and relationship advice. All this advice essentially boils down to is looking less feminine and acting more like men. Betas are useless to advice women as well, as they will generally agree with whatever the girl says and are terrified to actually treat her like a human being and disagree with a really stupid course of action.
    A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of watching a girl being goaded into arranging a massive shit test for her new boyfriend of two weeks. It was all under the rationalization that he had called her out on a lie she had told. The betaboy she was explaining this nonsense to (who desperately wanted to date her for months and probably hoped she would fall into his arms) agreed with every stupid thing she said, endlessly praising her integrity, while her gay best friend insisted she act “fierce”. She pulled her shit test, her boyfriend told her to take a hike, and she has spent the last few days crying to everyone in my social circle how she needs him back and now “loves” him! Meanwhile, the gruesome twosome is confused as to why she wants this “asshole” and have resolved to improve her “self esteem” i.e., make her even less attractive to the quality men she wants.

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  20. I’ll move this overhere:

    Only now can I look back and realize what it is my natural friend did as a young man.
    At the time I couldn’t understand why he got so much pussy.

    I remember one time my friend and I were trying to mack two girls with the nice guy routine- then the natural comes up- and he goes
    “I fuck stripers and hookers”

    My other friend and I were like:

    What the FUCK!
    WHY DID YOU JUST FUCKING SAY THAT?

    WHAT THE FUCK!

    The girls were like who is that pig?

    We would excuse his behavior, and apologize for it- but then something strange would happen the girls wouldn’t stop talking about the natural- and he would he wind up hooking up with them- fucking them almost immediately and dumping them.

    Another time he rolls up to some high class pretty bitches- and he goes I just took a huge shit. I think my tightly whitish underwear’s are smeared- needless to say the girls gave him the requisite look of disgust- and then one of them proceeded to blow him later on that night.

    No lie- no exaggeration.

    We were tight- but I could never do the things he did- nor did I understand why they worked.

    This man fucked strippers, hookers, amateur no name models, and everything in-between.

    Sadly, tragically:
    His mother committed suicide when he was 12 or so- she put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.

    i only put this here because i think it might explain something. i actually feel bad writing about it.

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  21. Roissy-

    Conor Freidersdorf suffers from the same mental disease that afflicts most betas and all women — the frantically held belief that women are individual wonders of joy and incomprehensible mystery who cannot ever be generalized about. Except that their belief is bogus. ***

    To the typical equalist pissbucket beta, there is no such thing as a useful generalization. Women are all individual creatures of deep deep individuality who go for all kinds of men. So maybe you can arouse that girl over there by using a neg on her, but there are ten more girls who would never fall for it. So you must… MUST… treat women as individuals. Eventually, you’ll find that perfect match who LOVES YOU FOR YOU.

    I find it a source of considerable satisfaction that in general the more unabashedly feminist a guy is, the more unlikely it is that he’s an alpha. This is true of low reflection natural alphas as well – they’re unlikely to be anything more than lip service feminists, at most. (Unless they’re politicians.)

    A good entertainment illustration of this is Ari Gold of Entourage. There he is a liberal Jew in a central power but always scrambling position in lefty Hollywood. Recall him putting down women as agents and execs. generally when he marched into his female co-owner’s (Beverly DiAngelo) Hollywood women execs support group and insulted her and everyone there, to make a power point.

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  22. on July 28, 2009 at 2:26 pm totalesturns

    Ugh, Friedersdorf’s blind spot gets more obnoxious the more you read him. From the Sullivan article Roissy linked to:

    I suspect that often our judgments about kosher behavior depends as much on who is involved as the specific scenario in question. A friend comes to us for advice about how to handle an awkward situation wherein she’s inadvertently scheduled two dates for the same day — and knowing she is generally an upstanding person, we laugh, sympathize, and help her formulate a solution…

    The truth about female behavior is staring him right in the face but he refuses to see it. Laugh, sympathize… then go home and masturbate furiously…

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  23. on July 28, 2009 at 2:29 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Just a general question ‘coz I’m new here.

    Why this absolute ‘alpha-beta’ distinction? Surely there’s a more fine-grained continuum, from alpha-plus geniuses down to epsilon-minus semi-morons (to use Huxley’s term in Brave New World).

    I’d rate Conor as beta plus. And he’s articulate enough to make it to alpha minus if he gives up his ould sins and follows the teachings of Roissy.

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  24. The more guys out in the field like Conor and Andy, the better off I am so let them argue all they want. Hell, if I could make them push that female worship pedestal higher I would.

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  25. on July 28, 2009 at 2:33 pm Backdoor Man

    I read those posts yesterday. And I got genuinely angry at the dude for getting it wrong, but even more so, for being such a giant pussy. Even when I went through a vaguely sensitive-guy phase many years ago when I was pining after this one particular chick, I was never remotely close to being such a chump. I bet he’s writing this to impress a girl. Well, my old lady would would laugh in his face if she heard such tripe. Then she’d probably kick him in the nuts and shit on him. And she’s a sweet little feminine thing. But she absolutely detests wimps. All good women do.

    Beta of the year.

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  26. “[T]hose who use “the neg” concede that the pickup techniques they use succeed in part because they are unabashed about getting shot down many times in a night before they find someone for whom the technique works.”

    As if men are going around from girl to girl to find the girl Game works on.

    We are going around from girl to girl to find one we are attracted to.

    People that are anti-Game never understand this.

    We are qualifying with Game.

    – MPM

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  27. on July 28, 2009 at 2:36 pm Usually Lurking

    Negs aren’t insults. They are edgy teasing. Is this distinction so difficult to grasp?

    No, but it is easy to ignore. Ignoring basic facts is necessary to maintain a PC worldview.

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  28. Another thing that Betas do not understand:

    To “Neg” equates being smart, funny and witty.

    Are “smart, funny and witty”, bad personality traits?

    To a beta they are, I guess.

    – MPM

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  29. Seeking Alpha

    “I would highly recommend a pre-nup. Some rabbis wouldn’t even do the ceremony without one. I’m not that strict, but I strongly suggest you get one.”

    Being non-religious, I wasn’t really looking forward to meeting with the guy… what a nice surprise!

    Yeah but you don’t know what he’d recommend being in it.

    You’ve read what I recommend and how to argue it.

    Key points: women are overwhelmingly the ones who precipitate divorce. 70% filed by women and another 15% at least precipitated by them, by e.g. moving out or refusing to stop an affair or several.

    Child support=alimony and isn’t capped or is only at very high levels. Figure out the after tax part of your income it would be in Connecticut before you begin talking about the prenup. This can’t be eliminated except by joint custody which she can probably get out of if she wants to at the time of divorce even if she agrees to it in the prenup. So because you may be paying 40-50% or even more of your after tax income in child support, she should get little or none of your accumulated wealth. Remember child support IS alimony for high earners such as yourself.

    Personally i think you’re getting married way too young to a girl probably your own age, and that that is a mistake. At the very least I’d drive for a tough as hell prenup. You may potentially make one hell of a lot of money in your line of work.

    I think you should require that the marriage be one way open with rules after x number of years — in recompense for getting married this young. The rules would include disclosure if she wants it and her veto power if you’re getting to involved and you can never play if you’re neglecting her including sexually. If she wants it too you can say, ok lets not get married now. You’re right you’re too young if you still want to play. See all the stuff Roissy and I and others have written about the differences between male and female numbers of sex partners and extramarital sex.

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  30. on July 28, 2009 at 2:40 pm Cannon's Canon

    doug:

    ari gold is a feminist’s vision of alpha. you will recall in that plot-line that his “power point” did not work, and only upon the reflection of his pre-teen daughter did he put his pride aside and ask his female co-owner kindly, without bravado, to please reconsider (and this worked immediately).

    funny that you remember the power move scene more (as i’m sure most unassuming guys do). entourage is written for women and gays. taking cues from entourage falls under the title of this post.

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  31. @Carolus Reconditus

    I agree – the whole ethos of not buying drinks doesn’t quite work for me either. Perhaps it’s a cultural thing too because here in Sweden buying drinks is a big DHV – they are so fucking expensive that buying a round of drinks can easily set you back lots of cash. Luckily I have lots of cash.

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  32. Roissy,

    While I do disagree with you on some things, the basic direction of your blog is correct.

    Women are amoral, greedy, myopic and delusional. Current social conditions do encourage them to show their true colors.

    and yes, game works.. though I prefer to buy it as because it suits me more.

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  33. How often are alpha males feminists, or even mostly?

    It seems to me to be pretty rare.

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  34. Cannon’s Canon, here here.

    Enterouge is four whipped pussy fags acting like parasitic SATC sluts.

    The entire show should be Jeremy Piven acting like a dick—as he is allowed to in many scenes—recreating his glorious dick from the underrated college classic “P.C.U.”

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  35. Oh, and my favourite neg, which is so vague as to be the ultimate swiss army knife of negs: you’re bad/trouble/a trouble maker. Women always want an explanation and obfuscation only makes them even more curious.

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  36. on July 28, 2009 at 2:45 pm jonathanjones02

    eh, I understand the fisking, but Friedersdorf is on the whole a pretty insightful writer. It should be easy to find stronger BOTM candidates.

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  37. […] believe that 9/11 was an inside job conducted with the foreknowledge of the Bush administration. Never Take Girl Advice From A Beta Or A Gay Man – roissy.wordpress.com 07/28/2009 In what has to be one of the most ignorant interpretations of […]

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  38. doug1, you could make the case for Clinton/Edwards, but clearly they aren’t feminists—they treat every woman in their lives as so much trash to be used, absued, and shoved out the door when first available.

    It amazes me how feminists never acknowledge how Slick Willy and J.E. are just amoral sociopaths who pay lip service to respecting women and vote for abortion for their own needs—to meet loose, child killing women who will, as one TIME magazine SWPL slut said of Clinton, go down on him fro keeping child murder legal.

    I wonder if Liberal Alphas ever go nuts at having to adopt so many beta positions.

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  39. who cares what this dude thinks? or sullivan? let them write about the politics and other stuff they do. which they’re better at and more experienced with. they’re both clearly invested so tightly in a PC, pro-feminist, anti-masculine, offend-no-one frame of mind — at a minumum for reasons of their SWPL journalistic credibility — that they’re incapable of understanding the basics of game and mating psychology. that men and women are fundamentally different psychologically, including wrt mating and courtship.

    it’s a mistake to react to every MSM and related knockdown of game as some sleazebag, leisure-suit-larry thing. let them do it. so those that understand will mroe easily fly under the radar.

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  40. doug1,

    Guys do not care if women have legal and professional equality.

    The problem is that as a society we favor women over men. If feminism was about true equality, men would not care either way.

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  41. Cannon’s Canon

    taking cues from entourage falls under the title of this post.

    Fuck off.

    I don’t take game cues from Entourage. Although Ari does have his moments that are worth paying attention to. Also one’s that aren’t.

    But it does have more alpha (and some very beta) behavior in it than most contemporary things on cable. It draws that contrast sharply.

    Ari is a very alpha guy. They do soften and tame him in some ways for female consumption and to lessen feminist outrage, no doubt. That he’s supposedly completely faithful to his wife, or have such an old and not very attractive one is absurd of course.

    No Entourage is written primarily for men. In fact it initially had trouble attracting much of a female demographic and was at first heavily criticized as a guys fantasy show. No doubt they did betaize even Ari and Vincent somewhat for those kinds of reasons.

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  42. maurice–

    let them do it. so those that understand will mroe easily fly under the radar.

    Yeah, I had similar thoughts.

    Let all the pro feminist males hobble themselves. Ha ha ha.

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  43. Since Conor and Andy are so concerned with ethics as they relate to dating and mating,I wonder why they dont do a little writing scrutinizing female behaviour.Here are a few suggestions,boys:

    Female sex tourism in Jamaica and Egypt

    Women “sleeping their way to the top”

    Groupies

    Golddiggers

    Throwing themselves at deathrow inmates and other criminals

    Thats a partial list.Feel free to add to it.

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  44. on July 28, 2009 at 2:52 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Stu

    Jeezus you actually live in that feminist nirvana? Where it’s against the law for men to piss standing up?

    Your EC Commissar Margot Wallstrom in her blog once called me a ‘dinosaur’ for expressing Darwinian anti-feminist views (about the sexual division of labour, IIRR).

    Your growing Muslim community may be a blessing in disguise, though.

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  45. on July 28, 2009 at 2:54 pm Seeking Alpha

    doug – You’re a lawyer, yes? I have some questions on how to create a pre-nup for someone in my situation, but I don’t really know who to speak to first. I know lawyers, but none that specialize in this area of the law. Would you mind answering a few questions?

    If you wouldn’t, please shoot me an e-mail at this temporary address: [email protected]

    If I was single right now, I would follow the advice of those here, try and get better at game, and live a rich bachelor’s lifestyle for a decade before marrying a younger girl.

    But I’m not. Instead I have a beautiful girl with a smoking body and traditional values. Great cook, always deferential to my authority in the end, and a real friend. Someone I don’t mind kicking back on a Sunday with after a brunch she cooked me and splitting a joint and watching a movie. And she always makes me look good in social situations.

    But as it is, while I’m smart, up-and-coming, good looking, and very witty and funny around people I’m comfortable with, I’m terribly shy around new people. I have serious approach anxiety.

    I can’t think of a fate worse than the cuckolded, hen-pecked beta husband. But settling down a bit too early to a proper woman who respects my authority (like most of our grandfathers) versus taking my chances in the field perpetually nervous and insecure? On balance I like my choice.

    Anyway, if you feel like dispensing some free legal advice, please hit me up.

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  46. i’m with doug – entourage is a guys-in-paradise fantasy show. superficial but fun. even lowly turtle is regularly fucking a hot TV star this season. you guys who are dissing it seem to have drunk the whiskey kool-aid, that NOTHING on TV can EVER be appealing to men. and ari is an awesome character, despite the unrealistic aspects.

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  47. “Women are amoral, greedy, myopic and delusional. Current social conditions do encourage them to show their true colors.”

    That just about sums it up,Lucifer.

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  48. friedersdorf’s article also features a commenter named “Scott” who serves as White Knight for women at bars when they’re being negged by these fucking neggers.

    he goes up to a set and blows up the man’s game then goes back to his “girlfriend of two and a half years.” he feels he’s doing a publc service, but in reality he’s doing a disservice to the woman. women are very socially savvy if you ask me. if they don’t like a certain guy, they’ll get rid of him quickly….the more quality options available, the quicker they’ll get rid of him. if they’re bored in general, they might toy with the guy for a while. in short though, they’re manipulative and don’t need the help of some White Knight to point out when they’re being “Gamed”. Chances are they like it, and they’re grown women.

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  49. This may not be the topic to write this, but I gotta get it out. Reason is, once again a friend told me about this advice he got from women, which was utter bullshit, but he believed it, and took their words for mine.

    Basically just for fun, I read this dating book for men written by a woman, and was not disappointed.

    It was so much fun, I had to write a review about a woman’s advice to men.

    Enjoy the ride.

    However, until that day, I never realized how clueless men are that women also face pressure, deal with insecurities, fear rejection, and get our hearts broken.

    So here we go. Men have no idea. Men have no symathy, empathy, and men hurt women.

    I always had guys chasing me…but as soon as they got to know “the real me,” they turned and ran the heck the other way!
    I can’t even count how many times I’ve been rejected and had my heart broken
    .

    That, my friends in called getting dumped, not rejected. Rejection is about 150 possible rejections before you can actually get dumped.

    Btw, note that she was getting pumped and dumped. Guss by who?

    So, I wanted to write a book that takes you deep into the inner workings of the female mind. I want you to know what a woman is thinking, feeling, and experiencing on a night out with you.

    Here come the revelations.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re a great guy or not. A pushy approach makes a woman react by recoiling, regardless of her reason.
    Women experience this kind of pushy, annoying approach all the time.

    This is to be seen in later quotes. Guys dont be pushy. See, women dont like that. No no no..

    Persistence never works.

    Women put men into three categories:

    1.Dangerous/yucky/creepy/annoying guys (The Danger Zone)

    2. Friends and/or potential business partners, or neutral guys (The Friend Zone).

    3. Potential lovers and soul mates (The Love Zone).

    This was the point where I knew I was in for a treat.

    Not dividing the Love Zone into providers and fuckers? Another woman who has no clue.

    A woman has a dual reality.
    I have to constantly make sure that I don’t get caught up in a situation with “the wrong man.”

    Who is….. wait for it.. wait for it… pushy.

    A woman will drop just about everything to get to know you better if she senses that you are a Love Zone Guy!

    Yup. Distinction to be made:

    If you are the Provider love zone, she will definitely drop sex.

    If you are in the Fucker love zone, she will definitely drop everything to sex you fast.

    I’ll never forget the night that I was out with some friends, including some guys I didn’t know very well. … I asked one of the guys to walk me home… However, I knew something was up when he kept trying to take me in the wrong direction and walking me in circles to get me “lost.” I kept my cool though, and finally steered us back to my friend’s house…only to find that I couldn’t get in touch with her. … Finally I knew I had to make a decision. I decided that I would be safer with a “known entity” than just being alone on the streets all night where I had no idea what could happen to me. ..I had literally gone into survival mode while this guy was probably thinking how cool it was that he was gonna take me home with him…like 6:00AM) I slid out of his bed. He woke up and asked where I was going. I told him I had to go to the bathroom. As soon as he closed his eyes again, I grabbed all of my stuff and snuck out. As soon as I was outside, I ran!
    For the next two hours, before I was able to get in touch with my friend, I sat on a park bench and thought about how “lucky” I was that I didn’t get date raped.
    Now does it make more sense why women develop defense mechanisms against men?
    One wrong turn could land a woman in a nightmare situation.

    What a dumb b….

    If she was going to be raped there were so many opportunities.

    Guys, can you see, how even a guy who does not touch her when he had all the opportunities, is a potential rapist in her mind.

    This woman, a dating guru, is a nutcase.

    Simply put, a guy who ends up in my Danger Zone is a guy who is trying to get something from me. Period. End of discussion.

    Wow. No of course the other dudes who got to lay her, really did not want anything from her.

    In other words, the coolest guy isn’t the guy with more notches on his bedpost; it’s the guy with fewer agendas!

    Fewer agendas = less need for her sex = many other women he is rotating

    With that in mind, let me tell you a story about a “pick-up” that worked for me…A few years ago, I had a cell phone that was the size and shape of a glasses case …the screen went dead, and there was nothing I could do… So I took it into the store, where the manager, Adam,…The whole time, Adam was cracking jokes to make me feel better, and every time something else didn’t work (cell phone insurance wouldn’t replace it, etc.) he would look at me and say,
    “Don’t worry, I’ll take care of this.” And he would try something else.
    This would give us more time to flirt with each other.
    And we started dating.
    This is a great example of how to meet a woman without trying to get something from her (on the contrary, he was helping me out!)

    He definitely did not want anything from her.

    It’s not easy for women either.

    I have come to the conclusion that women make it difficult just by being women.

    If you, like some guys I know, have this crazy idea that going out to bars and clubs is “easy” for women because we can just kick back and get approached…get ready, because you’re about to learn the truth!
    The pressure is on a woman before she even leaves the house.
    Before I go out, I have to pick out the perfect outfit. It has to be sexy without being slutty.

    Wow. Just wow.

    Man, that is a lot of pressure. Oh boy. What should she wear?

    But the gem is coming:

    By the way, I’ll tell you a quick story about what it’s like to be a woman wearing the wrong outfit in a club. … I settled on jeans and a classy short sleeved shirt. I felt really good about my choice… Until much later that night, when we went out to a club. Suddenly, I was in a sea of women in heels, dresses, tight pants, short skirts, halter tops, and caked-on faces. All of a sudden I felt incredibly frumpy and plain. Not that I felt self-conscious about my ability to attract guys looking like I did… … But every time I went to the ladies room, I was super embarrassed to be the only woman in there whose top had actual sleeves, and I could tell a lot of them were looking at me like “who invited the librarian?”
    If you’ve ever heard that women dress up for other women, it’s true. This is because I know that men will still hit on me when I’m in a ratty t-shirt and haven’t showered that day

    So where is the pressure coming from, guys?

    Can you see it?

    Ever had an “annoying friend” pull away a girl you were talking to? Chances are, that girl wasn’t interested and her friend was helping her get away from you.

    Uhhhhm. No. Usually it is the friend who is jealous of the girl having good time.

    Look, women aren’t idiots. A woman is aware that any and all men she knows will pretty much sleep with her upon request.

    So that is no agenda?

    That might seem like a nice luxury to the average, sexually frustrated male, but I personally find it sad…

    Damn I feel for her.

    Because I can’t even tell you how many times I’ve been aware that a male friend had a crush on me but he was too chicken to do anything about it.
    I’m not going to be interested in a guy that is too afraid to put it out there.

    Now guys, compare the pressure of getting blown out by a friend, to the pressure of choosing the right outfit.

    Oh you poor little girl…

    What happened to taking the initiative?

    Yeah, ouch. Now I knew that Seth was attracted to me, but he was being a wussie about it, and wussies end up in the Friend Zone.

    And by that, th guys she wants are wussies, and so the guys she gets are the pushy assholes.

    Guys, dont be wussies.

    It is bad for the ladies.

    Women don’t wait around for you to “get over your stuff.” If she thinks you look great but you are insecure about how you look, she will move on to a more confident man.

    And who is that?

    Anyway, if one woman puts you in the Friend Zone because you don’t fit what she’s looking for in a mate, don’t take it personally. What she wants has nothing to do with you.

    So you were not being a wussy?
    I am getting confused here.

    Did you know that if a woman fears that you don’t like her, she will actually put you in the Friend Zone as a protective reflex?

    So you are wussy, you go to the friend zone, you are not wussy, you… go… to.. the… friend… zone.

    This sentence could only have been written by a woman.

    I simply don’t have the patience to wait for you to make a move. If you aren’t going to do it, I’m going to move on.

    So if I dont have the patience of waiting three dates?

    The balance between pushy and wussie can really only be achieved by developing solid inner game.

    As we saw, there is no defined balance.

    The balance is defined by what she feels.

    Which is as stable as an atom bomb just when the neutrons let loose.

    When you call me is an indication of how strongly you feel that excitement about me.
    I’m going to lose interest in a guy who doesn’t feel that excitement or doesn’t know how to naturally express it because he’s too caught up in “waiting three days to call.”

    Uhhhmm…

    Pushy?
    Desperate?
    Wussy?

    Vague.. so vague..

    In other words, I want you to ask me out on a date.

    BUHAHAHAHAHAHA…

    If you made it this far, now you know why I am not interested in “the date”

    As a woman, I’m looking at a date as a slice of what life will be like for me if I pick you to be my life mate.

    Wow. First date, and thinking of life mate?

    No wonder men are running at full speed after the first date/lay..

    I know that sounds like a lot; it’s a first date and a woman’s already thinking about forever?
    Yes, subconsciously, yes, a woman (especially a woman whose biological clock is ticking) is probably looking for a life mate.

    That is in bold.

    There is a reason it is in bold.

    Be careful guys.

    First of all, it’s only recently in human history that women had the capability to really work and make as much money as a man does (though it’s still more difficult to get equal pay).

    And that is why 80% of consumer spending is decided by women. Damn they earn so little.

    In the Victorian era, a woman couldn’t own her own property by law, which meant that if she didn’t get married, she would either grow old as someone’s house guest or be out on the street.

    Men owned property. They just did not own their lives. Dying in droves in any war in history.

    I’ll be the first to confess that a woman doesn’t want to tell you what she’s thinking and feeling. She wants you to “get it.”

    Guys, time to learn mindreading. (or not giving a damn)

    It’s not that women are confused or shy; it’s that if I have to say,
    “Hey, I’m really attracted to you and I feel comfortable with you, so let’s go back to your place,” it will kill all of the romance for me.

    Romance = what is done for the woman

    Romance = woman taking no accountability or responsibility in the events to come

    Don’t worry; I won’t put you through that. Over the course of my dating and relationship studies, I’ve learned that most men live in their heads and aren’t as skilled at picking up the energy of the people around them as women are.

    Yes. Woman as the ultimate communicator.

    That is why (Undercover Sex Signals, Lowndes) they use secret, undercover, deniable, subtle cues to communicate with the man.

    When we were parked in the driveway, I was actively projecting the thought,
    “Kiss me!” in his direction.
    When someone’s actively projecting energy to you, it’s a million times easier to pick it up than if they are just in the same room as you.

    Guys,

    Communication 101, Chapter 1: Projecting your thoughts and feelings in subtle ways.

    “Wait, I know he wants me, but he also seems totally cool if nothing happens. He must be really confident and comfortable with himself. I want that!”

    You know why I am comfortable?

    Cause I got numbers in the black book which will provide your services without the drama.

    Many men seem to believe that women will always fall for the guy and want to make him commit once she has sex with him.

    Not all women are like that, eh?

    This is true for some women, but not all women.

    I told ya.

    I personally have enjoyed my fair share of “friends with benefits” that I had no interest in committing to.

    And now he wants a man who is excited to see her and is pushy/wussy balance in the right point, time and place.

    That said, women do release certain hormones during and after sex that create the “need to bond.”

    What happened to “its just sex”?

    What happened to “I can have sex like a man”?

    However, quality evolved women, just like quality evolved men, are not blindly controlled by brain chemistry.

    No, of course not.

    But they still want the man to take the lead, and are unable to show initiative.

    Damn evolution, you missed a point there.

    They are mature enough to handle whatever emotions come up without getting angry at you.

    BUHAHAHAHAHAHA

    And remember, many women will turn down one night stands with strangers just for safety reasons.

    WAVA is so safe for men.

    The REAL reason most women will hesitate to have sex:
    on a basic level, sex is for reproduction. A woman is biologically wired to hold back until she knows she can trust the man, and my guess is that the tables would be turned if it was the man who had the potential to end up carrying a baby for nine months (not to mention having to raise a child)…

    So a woman who has chosen many men to be potential fathers is acting in accordance with nature?

    I call that very picky.

    But in today’s society women have the option of safe sex, which lowers the risk considerably.
    So why the hesitation anyway? Is it just old biological programming? The fear of being in that “one percent” (as in, condoms are 99% effective)?

    Is that fear not hardwired?

    Or is that actually a wish to come true?

    That’s part of it, but there’s something else that I think has a much bigger influence.
    Remember how, in the first chapter, I talked about how most men hold the belief that the number of women they sleep with measures how cool of a guy they are?

    Well, if women select based on other women’s choices, which they do, that makes him a damn cool dude…

    Well, guess what. There’s an equal and opposite widespread belief that women hold.
    Most women believe that the more guys she sleeps with, the more her value goes down.
    On a deep subconscious level, a woman feels like she is giving you a piece of her “female value” when she has sex with you.

    Maybe women are not able to handle “sex just for sex” that well, by nature?

    Historically, female virgins have been respected and even worshipped.

    STDs not curable for most of history, no abortion, no gene testing… ???

    Hopefully, this will help you understand the internal turmoil that goes on when a woman is with you and the situation could lead to sex.

    Poor ladies.. Oh oh…

    Well, I’m going to tell you something about women. It might sound crazy, but a woman actually believes in magic.
    I’m not talking about card tricks or pulling a white rabbit out of a hat kind of magic…
    I’m talking about the magic of attraction and sexual chemistry. From my point of view, when there is sexual chemistry between you and me, things “naturally evolve like magic.”

    And the man needs not be persistent, not have skill, etc.

    It just happens.

    That is why the pick up theories, etc work so well.

    Damn, IT IS MAGIC!

    After sex, …This doesn’t require a long poetic speech. In fact, it’s probably best that it isn’t.
    A simple, “Wow,” followed by a big grin, will be enough.
    If I’ve experienced magic with you, I now want reassurance that what I felt was real magic and not something false that I dreamed up when the whole time you were just using me for sex.

    I thought the lady was evolved, and able to have sex just for fun?

    Women are capable of having sex for fun, and without commitment. There is no need to be dishonest or pretend you care more for a woman than you do in order to sleep with her – you can just as easily find women who are comfortable having fun, no-strings-attached sex with you.

    So what was the point of the “WOW” again?

    For a woman, sexual chemistry is magic, and she will feel turned on when the night seems to magically evolve into sexual activity

    Guys, dont worry, the magic just happens.

    After you rest, a woman wants you to acknowledge that the magic was real and not something that she experienced while you were “just getting laid.”

    What happened to evolution, to I am a strond independent woman” to “sexually liberated woman”

    WHAT?

    Guys here you see few things:

    1.NEVER take a woman’s advice on dating
    2.Women will not take responsibility, and it is their birthright
    3.Women will expect you to take all the risks, do all the moves, while ladies keep the right to deny everything, to reject you for any little thing, and still call the situation difficult.

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  50. DF

    The more guys out in the field like Conor and Andy, the better off I am so let them argue all they want. Hell, if I could make them push that female worship pedestal higher I would.

    Yeah.

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  51. on July 28, 2009 at 3:01 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @doug1:

    Doug, you write:

    women are overwhelmingly the ones who precipitate divorce. 70% filed by women and another 15% at least precipitated by them, by e.g. moving out or refusing to stop an affair or several.

    That’s certainly not the case in Europe, at least in my Eurocrat working environment — almost all divorces I know about have been the result of male infidelities — when their wives ‘precipitated’ a divorce it was only after the husbands had already put them out to graze anyhow.

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  52. Robbery and murder victims don’t get sexually intrigued by their assailants as far as I know.

    Conor probably gets a little mahogany going whenever an alpha abuses him.

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  53. Re: Alpha males being feminists

    Feminist game is solid.

    Tell girls how it is silly that society judges women for sleeping around, tells them they need to be in a relationship to enjoy sex, etc etc etc. The message you want to send is that you are non-judgmental and she can fuck you without being a slut.

    I’m pretty sure 99% of the sexual revolution and women’s liberation in general are the result of smooth-talking alpha males using smoke and mirrors about oppression and liberation to get tail.

    Do I feel bad about contributing, in my own small way, to the decline and collapse of marriage and western civilization more generally? Sure. But it works.

    Maybe I should patent this under “Ketman Game.”

    Cheers,

    Zdeno

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  54. By now it surely must have crossed the minds of some, that I only seem to comment only when the forum veers off onto racial topics. While there is no doubt some truth in this, I want to note why you’re not as likely to see me comment on threads like this one:

    Because, quite frankly, I have very little to add.

    What Roissy states here in response to Connor and Sullivan is largely accurate. The Neg, works. Once one has perfected their approaching skills, they don’t need to do as many and still can maintain a fairly high “hit” rate, much like a pro NBA shooter like Dirk Norwinski or Ray Allen can take fewer shots but still make more baskets.

    Women LIKE to be Negged, ESPECIALLY the really hot ones. Moreover, Women LOVE Game and to BE Gamed. One only need go to any bookstore or newstand and there you will see scores of romance novels and/or magazines that center around one theme and one theme alone, a Woman being seduced by a Man. ALL Women long to be seduced.

    Not only that, but as Roissy points out, the vast majority of Women, and certainly not the upper tier in looks, give or care one whit about fairness when it comes to guys. That’s not a statement born of sour grapes, bad memories or “misogyny”, its just the simple truth. They are out there looking for the best deal they can get, and who can blame em? The same can be said of guys. Again, as Roissy has indicated.

    What’s interesting to me, and as someone else has already mentioned, is that Connor and Sullivan seem to go out of their way to upbraid Game in general and PUAs in particular, while remaining quiet about the many things Women do and have done on the dating scene, for decades. That, to my mind, is no accident-for some really strange, and powerful reason, there is a not insignificant group of Men who really do despise Men w/Game, be it natural or acquired-though I’ve noticed that a good bit more ire is directed at the socalled “un-naturals”. And that these Men ally themselves w/some Women, is also interesting to me-its easy to see why Women in general may have cause for concern that the average Man have access to the Rosetta Stone of Woman’s Ways. Its something else though as to why other Men would playa hate.

    Maybe this hateration is rooted in Evo-Psych – afterall, if as a guy, you weren’t lucky enough to spread your genes, you were basically a genetic deadend. Typically, guys who did well w/Women tended not to roll in packs-an Alpha Male by definition tends to be something of a loner-and groups of loserish guys could more easily take out the Alpha or two in the camp. Makes sense.

    Anyway, although there are real racial and cultural wrinkles wrt Game, and I have noted as much to Roissy and others in this venue, I still pretty much am in agreement w/most of what he says along these lines. Hence again, why one isn’t likely to see much of me on said threads; not much to really disagree about.

    O

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  55. on July 28, 2009 at 3:15 pm Cannon's Canon

    doug and maurice:

    you are both old geezers so i will cut you a bit of slack on your faulty premises. you have ‘entourage’ on your list with ‘the wizard of oz’, programs that are impressive because they are filmed in color.

    “But it does have more alpha (and some very beta) behavior in it than most contemporary things on cable. It draws that contrast sharply.”

    i am in the process of lighting this statement on fire. i’ve written 1000 words so far and have plenty more grievances to air out.

    “entourage is a guys-in-paradise fantasy show. superficial but fun. even lowly turtle is regularly fucking a hot TV star this season.”

    sounds like the beta won the prize. i am not anti-tv, anti-female, or out to see entourage canceled. as you might infer, i’ve watched just about every episode. it’s a guilty pleasure for sure.

    the danger of entourage is that it props up all the feminist myths that we vow to avoid and dispel in this forum. betas get the girls and alphas tuck their balls. this season’s “character development” is more feminist-centric than ever. in that sense, it is a magnificent “wolf in sheep’s clothing” for such pretty lies.

    doug, i did not mean to imply you take game cues from entourage, but your example of alpha triumph did not even work on that show. pointing to ari gold as an example of anything is a dangerous precedent.

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  56. Imo, negging = playing teasing.

    Can it work to build attraction? I think so. But I find it works even better when the female already is somewhat attracted to you.

    All girls love it when you tease them (in a playful way).

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  57. on July 28, 2009 at 3:24 pm the_alpha_male

    Question: ok to buy drinks (during the school year) for a poor college student who lives on her own and doesn’t work during the school year?

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  58. Seeking Alpha–

    I know lawyers, but none that specialize in this area of the law. Would you mind answering a few questions?

    I’m still technically a lawyer, but I haven’t practiced in many years. I only did for a few. Went to greener pastures. Those few where in areas very far away from family law. Very.

    Esquire’s you man on here.

    I have thought about prenups quite a lot but I haven’t studied state family law that much and certainly haven’t been inside family courts and their rulings. That’s what you need.

    You want a mens rights oriented divorce/family law specialist. One who goes FAR in that direction. Like Esquire. Maybe he can recommend someone in Connecticut, or familiar with Conn. family law and decisions.

    Something you should keep in mind though. You are likely to become a lot less shy as you get older and advance in your career. You are likely to REALLY want to stray some, 5 years from now, 10 years from now, or 15 when you’re in your late 30s. It’s almost dead certain, particularly as you have a lot of professional success. I think

    That doesn’t at all mean that you’ll necessarily want to leave your wife and family. You probably won’t want to. You want to avoid having a ruinous divorce sword of Damocles hanging by a hair over your head.

    You finace is likely to naturally respect your male authority a lot less after marriage or deep into it when she realizes how much financial power she has over you anytime she might want to divorce you — unless you have a real tough prenup. Even if you do, child support=alimony for 2 kids is tough. So it has to be tough elsewhere.

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  59. Cannon’s Canon–

    doug, i did not mean to imply you take game cues from entourage, but your example of alpha triumph did not even work on that show.

    I’m now vaguely, but only vaguely, remembering the ending your talking about. I think I edited that out in my mind, in the remembering. It’s easy to do that with Entourage, to just dismiss the bits of Ari that are feminist crap. That’s sorta what i do.

    It’s not like there are so many great other contemporary white alpha male to women alternatives on the tube. These aren’t the days of Boggie and so on.

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  60. on July 28, 2009 at 3:32 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Doug

    Okay, well thanks. Esquire, if you’re in a generous mood, drop a comment and I’ll make another fake e-mail.

    Appreciate the other advice. I’ve got both eyes wide open as I go into this and I’m happy with my odds, but it’s always good to hear more truth.

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  61. on July 28, 2009 at 3:41 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Zdeno:

    Tell girls how it is silly that society judges women for sleeping around, tells them they need to be in a relationship to enjoy sex, etc etc etc. The message you want to send is that you are non-judgmental and she can fuck you without being a slut.

    Won’t work if the girl has got thru EvoPsy 101. She’ll reply that women’s coyness is adaptive and that societies that favour sluttishness will eventually become genetic cul de sacs and be replaced by chastity-worshipping communities.

    Blessed are the uptight for they shall inherit the earth.

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  62. Women enjoy the thrill of the social climb; notice that almost every “women’s” show is about women fighting socially with one another for the top spot (Desperate Housewives, Dynasty, Ugly Betty, Gossip Girl, movies lik eMean Girls).

    Women’s shows are never about accomplishments (well, almost never) but about winning the social game and gaining power through social manipualtion. Not unlike gay male dramas, btw.

    Hence anyone who puts them down for a social miscue or failing (out of style, poor confidence, etc.) instantly becomes catnip to them; its like her own little soap opera. Women and gays are drama queens at heart.

    The neg sets you apart from other straight men, because 1) you’re suddenly caring about social cues; and 2) you’re saying she’s bad at some social cues. You’re setting a social goal for her to reach–it’s like a video game to her.

    Also hence why women don’t enjoy Math or videou games overall–theya re about accomplishing a goal, a win, decisive ending to a mission. For women, the catfighting and bitchiness and backstabbing are eternal.

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  63. @cannon – “wolf in sheep’s clothing”. still too much whiskey kool-aid. the point of these shows is to ENTERTAIN, to appeal to the broadest possible audience – including men and women both, each 50% of the potential audience. if there are aspects that appeal to men, there are others that appeal to women -*not* primarily to smuggle in some protocols-of-the-elders-of-Hollywood gay or feminist agenda, but to get the largest number of loyal and happy viewers and make money for the producers and the network. this show is based on Mark Wahlberg’s real life when he first made it big. it’s trying to be entertaining from the regular straight guy’s point of view. it’s really not much more complicated than that. i get dissing entourage because it’s shallow (the college humor video was very funny and on-point) but *not* because it’s anti-straight male. ’cause it ain’t.

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  64. The latest trends in herbology, brought to you by Japan.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56Q0C220090727

    Discuss.

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  65. Zdeno, feminism game isn’t being a feminist or buying feminist bullshit; its telling certain women what they want to hear to get their panties off.

    Clinton/Edwards respect women as much as I do, which is to say nil; the difference being, I can’t eat that much shit to get laid by hairy fat chicks. I’ll tell a feminist to fuck off if she tries it; most chicks know to shut up about that bullshit.

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  66. on July 28, 2009 at 3:54 pm Backdoor Man

    @ Seeking Alpha

    Get a prenup. Make it non-negotiable. And if she doesn’t respect you for taking a stand, dump her. Do not waver in your position. Set the tone now.

    Over the years, I have taken strong positions with my old lady, and they have only made her love me more. When she said she was going to have children “with me or without me,” I pointed to the door and told her she was free to leave and never come back. When discussing home-buying, I told that before we make such an investment, she has to understand that I will be sleeping with other women on occasion, and that she better be cool with that.

    I’m married, but I don’t really believe in marriage. Neither does my old lady. But I met her when I lived in her country, and for us to live together in the States, we got married. It’s a nice arrangement, but you need to feel really damned sure that you’ve got a good woman. When I’m work or at happy hour and surrounded by young poon, I sometimes wonder whether it would be better to be single, but the minute I get home, and my woman sets to giving me a footrub, a massage, and sex, every single day, I feel pretty content. If I didn’t get that treatment from her, I probably would dump her and tap a lot more ass. As it is, I have to be low key about seeing other chicks.

    If your woman is American, she probably won’t adore you and submit to you the way mine does, but playing a strong, masculine hand will never hurt you, no matter what her background.

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  67. ZG,
    Just read your “review” of the dating tips book. Yup, its true, as a general rule, its a big no-no to take Women’s advice seriously, about dating other Women. Because for one thing, Women on a whole simply cannot be objective about such things; and two, they cannot relate to the Male experience in these areas.

    So, tru dat.

    However, I do think it’s important for me to just point out something that I’d been meaning to address for sometime now, and that’s this…

    The tone of bitterness and anger among quite a few young Men here in the forum, once they see the Matrix w/their own eyes.

    It is indeed quite understandable, for a number of reasons, but perhaps the biggest reason is because once you find out the truth, it feels like you’ve been betrayed. All your life. And not by people you barely know or will never meet-but by people who are your family, or close friends, or perhaps trusted advisors and mentors and authority figures. You get angry and pissed off that all you’ve been told is a lie, a cruel joke, and you’re humiliated.

    I want to remind my Brothers in the Game not to give in to feelings of anger or hatred, and instead to focus on the Light. Because for the simple reason that the vast majority of Women in any locale, at any time, cannot help themselves-we are dealing w/tens of thousands of years of programming here-and it is a rare Woman indeed who can resist her animal urges and heed her higher self. Like the vast majority of Men, they simply ain’t up to that job.

    I have always said that Game has given me a much deeper appreciation of and respect for Women, because of the things they have so little internal control over-and because Game gave me immense power of Women. Power to, if I wanted, really mess Women’s heads up. For life.

    Its a huge responsibility, gentlemen, and its something I thought to just speak on a minute about because I do see this tendency among some of my brothers, to want to use Game to “get em back” so to speak. And make no mistake, one can definitely use Game in that way. Because Game, simply put, works.

    But there is a real price for doing so. For example, using Game in such a way, coming from a place of deepseated bitterness, can’t help but make the next Man’s job all that harder, when you’re long gone and he comes along. I know I wouldn’t want to be that Man. And so I try to keep that in mind when I’m out there in-field.

    And then there’s just the simple fact of knowing that I abused my Power, simply because I could. In that sense, I’m no better than a common thug, who preys on the weak. And yup, in my humble view, there are guys out there w/Game who do just that.

    Game in my view can be a wonerful thing, but it has to come w/some “small print” if you feel. Because Game in and of itself, is amoral-whether its used for better or for worse depends totally on the part of the user. And the temptation is ever present to go the route of least resistance.

    Again, my brothers for whom this message applies, I can dig perfectly where you’re coming from. But from where I sit, Game is one of many things that helps us grow into *better* Men, not be all the worse because of it.

    The Choice, as always, is yours.

    The Obsidian

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  68. @obs – hear, hear. very apt words of wisdom. hating on women because of their natures not only makes no sense, it fucks up the men who do it. hating is much worse for the haters than the hate-ees.

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  69. Mo, I feel your pain.

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  70. Obsidian,

    That bitterness is true, it comes, but it fades,

    One thing that stays in total intolerance to shit coming from other people (the female dating guru, or the dumbfuck who is the topic of the original poster).

    Game comes with responsibility. Maybe.

    I am to chose how I use that,

    But no one has the right to judge me on what I do with it.

    Seriously, no offense to you, as in your reply you are totally rational and friendly, but out there are others who judge differently, and really, I cannot bother more than writing some blog posts.

    Before they tell me what to do and what not to do, they need to clean theirs and the majority of the female’s doorsteps first.

    I may sound angry, but I am not. Just emotional.

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  71. Someone who can’t grasp the concept that negging = teasing = fun way to talk to people is kind of weird. People who hate teasing probably don’t like to laugh, and thinking people who joke around are “sooo ignorant” (whiny voice). They think life is meant to be one big deep serious journey. (yaaaaaaaawnnn)

    Teasing is not just done in romantic situations! Guys tease each other all the time right? Maybe it’s called “cutting” on each other or something? Like trash talking with buddies… the closer the bond the more they do it, seems like.

    I even tease my parents sometimes. They know I love them to death, but the little teasing is more pointing out their cute quirks.

    Teasing is a way to show that even if someone has their faults, you like them anyway 😉 And yeah it keeps things on the edge too

    Why don’t people get that is what “negging” is? Hm..

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  72. @Carolus Reconditus

    Ha ha, I’d love to know where the “peeing sitting down” thing came from – all the bars have urinals. Luckily I’m not Swedish so I don’t think I’ll be living here when Sharia law comes in to play…I hope.

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  73. on July 28, 2009 at 4:26 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    “NBA shooter like Dirk Norwinski ”

    Yeah, he’s awesome.

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  74. Backdoor Man

    Would you share what nationality your wife is?

    Also, what are the most important things in your prenup, or one you’d recommend?

    Do you have one way playing provisions?

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  75. Obsidian,

    Reflecting on my reply, it was in an angry voice.

    The anger was directed towards the voices telling me to be a an, and to take responsibility.

    I treat the women in my life with respect, because with their behavior they have proven to be worthy of it.

    In general though, no matter what I will do, it will not have as big an effect as women’s own choices.

    Controlled by emotions or not, susceptible to games or not, it is their choice.

    Women fucked themselves to oblivion by their behavior, my behavior cannot even put a dent into their fuckedness.

    So even if a man would use game to hurt women, (for a minority, I’d accept fault), in reality it will just be icing on the cake. Not even comparable to the usual amount of dirt dished out on this man by the “emotional” behavior of said women.

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  76. ZG,
    I hear where you’re coming from brother, but I’d just like to point something out for your and the forum’s consideration:

    In my view, the chief reason why people like Sullivan and Connor hate on Game is because, not only does it work, but because it is a practically failsafe system that works. Unlike a lot of the things Women do-much of which has little to do w/forethought, research, trial and error of even Field Reports-Game is the result of years of all these things. It also draws on the fields of Evo Psych, literature (read Greene, his book’s title escapes me at the moment) and history, to drive home the point even more. There is no more guesswork for the Man looking to better his chances with Women, ZG. There now exists a proven body of work, that works. Women know this. Gay Men, know this. And Betas like Connor, know this.

    And that, is why they hate Game.

    As I’ve said, the average guy now has a powerful tool in his hands, to do w/as he sees fit. In this we agree. My only hope is that he gives a good bit of thought as to how he will use that power-will it be to his and the lady of his choice’s mutual benefit? Or simply his own-and if so, in what way? At what cost?

    You see, this is why I say, that the “Un-Naturals” are even more powerful than the Naturals, ZG. I say that because the former knows exactly how and why Game works; the latter *may* know, and more often than not, they don’t.

    Im about to soak in the tub, I need Calgon to take me away, lol-but lemme closeout by simply saying this. Please don’t get it twisted-in no way am I attempting to be a killjoy here. I’m all for a Man getting laid. I just think that we who have the Nuclear Bomb of Love/Sex/Romance, give just a weebit of thought as to how we use it.

    That’s all I’m sayin.

    Focus on the Light, Z. You’re gonna be aight.

    O

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  77. on July 28, 2009 at 4:44 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Stu

    The ‘peeing sitting down’ tale is something of an urban legend from Switzerland, I think.

    But read this about Norway:


    Equality Watch: Boys Must Sit Like Girls To Pee In Norway School, Or Else!

    http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2006/09/29/boys-must-sit-to-pee-in-norway-school/

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  78. Friedersdorf is a RINO squish who, like David Frum, has tried to make a name for himself by savaging alpha conservatives like Rush, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, and bloggers such as Dan Riehl and Stacey McCain. Curiously, he directs no such venom at Democrats. As for Sully, just Google “milky loads” to understand why he should recuse himself from all matters female.

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  79. Women fucked themselves to oblivion by their behavior, my behavior cannot even put a dent into their fuckedness.

    In my driest spells I usually thought that girls themselves were the ones losing by rejecting me. That is the state of mind of the loser

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  80. on July 28, 2009 at 4:46 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Stu

    More here, for your infotainment:

    http://www.twisstedswisster.com/2008/06/should-men-pee-sitting-down.html

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  81. Obsidian:

    Great comment. Learning about game and how women really are can be incredibly disorienting at first.

    Roissy:

    I’ve said it before, game works just as well on church girls as on club bunnies. Straight up asshole game isn’t really advised, but the attraction switches really are basically the same.

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  82. Good Post Roissy!

    It’s all very well desconstructed.

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  83. i think he is right.

    we ladies appreciate men who do not come to us with lewdness and insults.

    last friday, i was on the bus home… and a man smiled at me! i did not like it so i stepped off the bus and walked home for the last mile.

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  84. Oh and a little comment on pre-nups… I was asked to do a prenup once. I think Seeking Alpha is good for trying to bring it up as nicely as possible. In my situation the guy was very like, apologetic about it, and emphasized that his lawyer was really pushing him for it… he posed it more like a question to me in fact.

    It definitely stung at first to even hear prenup, since that sort of implies that the marraige won’t last, but I wasn’t marrying him for his money any way and don’t believe in divorce for any reason, so I had no problem with it.

    My DAD on the other hand was PISSED off that the guy would even dare to bring up a prenup (we’re immigrants and my family criticizes the greediness of modern American culture all the time). My Dad put the guy through h*ll, and this after already scaring the guy that he better treat me well or else…

    Seeking Alpha – sounds like your girl is close to her family and father. Any ideas on what her dad’s reaction might be to the prenup? Just curious if it might be like my Dad’s.

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  85. on July 28, 2009 at 4:52 pm Willard Libby

    smoothvirus

    LAWL at the triple HATE.

    roissy bidened (Joe) that one from the legendary whiskey.

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  86. i meant, conor friedersdorf is right…

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  87. Wassup neggas.

    Much as I hate to agree with stereotypes of gay men, I have to do it here. “Fierce” behavior translates as ball-cutting amazonian out on the mating-dancefloor.

    I’m lucky to have a more realistic perspective on rules of attraction because of having been raised by a strong, but also very beautiful and feminine, woman. Time and time again I see gays and women thinking fail to recognize the power of feminine charm, seeing it as weakness.

    Men make a similar mistake with the false “nice guy/asshole” dichotomy.

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  88. “The tone of bitterness and anger among quite a few young Men here in the forum, once they see the Matrix w/their own eyes.

    It is indeed quite understandable, for a number of reasons, but perhaps the biggest reason is because once you find out the truth, it feels like you’ve been betrayed. All your life. And not by people you barely know or will never meet-but by people who are your family, or close friends, or perhaps trusted advisors and mentors and authority figures. You get angry and pissed off that all you’ve been told is a lie, a cruel joke, and you’re humiliated.”

    Indeed. Great comment Obsidian.

    But it is also refreshing that what once did not make any sense at all, don’t matter how hard we tried, has in the end some logic attached to it.
    It’s really refreshing to “know” that an improvement is possible and that women actually “do” act in a somewhat predictable and logical manner.

    Besides, what really hurts the most is not “women” but to know that despite My Ten is not an Angel I still hold her as the Perfect Gal. Perfect and unattainable.
    And in the way, how can I be sure that she does not grow winds and flies away to heaven when I don’t see her?

    What hurts is not to lose “pussy”, “babes”, “women” in general.
    What hurts is all the fucking things you’ve done wrong that pulled away this or that really important person in your life.

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  89. on July 28, 2009 at 4:59 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    I’m not kidding here. I’m totally attracted to conor for what he wrote. I want him now.

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  90. on July 28, 2009 at 5:06 pm Jake Bronson

    1. A neg from a woman would probably get me in the sack

    2. NEVER trust a fag

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  91. on July 28, 2009 at 5:07 pm Instafaggot

    Nice faux Alpha tude there, lurker. Some advice: the extreme paranoia makes you look like an asshole (which is fine) and a nutjob (which is bad). Or is it? Do hot chicks dig crazy guys?

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  92. on July 28, 2009 at 5:10 pm feministx.blogspot.com

    The Conor dude is not the a classic beta. Hate to inform you. 99% of the guys that write anything on this blog are repulsively beta to me. They want to act alpha but they have no finesse, so they resort to neandrothal level misogyny.

    The only male on this blog that makes my panties wet is Roissy. Conor appears to be a man of similar intelligence level who is willing to challenge Roissy. Conor reads this blog and then thinks for himself and thinks out of the box, unlike all the disgusting loser betas on this blog. So, Conor has also made me feel desire towards him. I will admit that I would guess that Roissy would be better in bed, but I can’t even tell you that for sure. Maybe Conor is the expert tender lovemaking type.

    Sorry guys. I have a cunt. It knows beta. Whatever Conor is, it’s sexually appealing. Conor is like the pretty boy in a tribe that stays home and helps with women’s work while the alphas go out to fight wars or something. The two guys that get laid the most in this tribe are the alpha that kills the most at war and the pretty boy that keeps all the ladies company. The others are betas. Ew.

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  93. on July 28, 2009 at 5:10 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Obsidian:

    You write:

    There is no more guesswork for the Man looking to better his chances with Women, ZG. There now exists a proven body of work, that works.

    Haven’t you forgotten the ‘arms race’ component of sexual selection? The ‘game’ as you guys call it will only ‘work’ for the men who learn it first. Once it becomes common knowledge, the average male will be back to square zero, since he will be competing with equally well-informed crumpet hunters.

    Men are not competing with women, they are competing between themselves.

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  94. on July 28, 2009 at 5:11 pm Instafaggot

    “Gay men are promoted by the hostile elites”

    Same goes for you, Loon_Jobbie.

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  95. on July 28, 2009 at 5:16 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Nope, beta of the year winner. Automatically, no election needed. I feel like other BOTM candidates and betas in general are often blissfully ignorant of how women work. The only information they have is from the feminist pc police and movies/television, which depicts beta behavior as the road to success with women. They don’t know any better because usually they haven’t been exposed to game.

    Usually, when exposed to game, the average man will deny it’s assertions about the nature of women, but still have some lingering doubts about his previous beliefs, and over time come to accept the real, biologically grounded, version of how women actually respond. The true, natural born, BETAS, will go into a more extreme denial if confronted with the truth. They will be willfully ignorant as opposed to blissfully ignorant, and that I think puts them into the true beta category. A lot of “betas”, simply don’t know any better, this guy was confronted with the truth at some point and refused it, that’s the sign of a true beta.

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  96. Entourage is a Gay Man’s show. With women.

    Heck, HBO has 42% of it’s characters being Gay or somesuch, according to GLAAD. It’s pathetic, and that’s probably why only 33% of TV households purchase HBO even though it’s available to nearly all households.

    If the show was a man’s show, why would HBO CARE about who watches, since HBO does not run ads? It’s subscriber supported and a dollar from a man is as good as one from a woman? That HBO neutered the Ari Gold character even more is pretty good evidence of how beta and gay the show is. Nearly all TV is a female-gay ghetto.

    Guys abandoned TV in a long-slow process. It began in the 1970’s, accelerated in the 1980’s, and was complete nearly in the 19909’s. Nearly all shows on the pay channels are examples of bitchy-backstabbing social behavior rather than a “goal” as lurker points out.

    It’s not just Entourage, it’s the Sopranos, or Weeds, or Deadwood, or Big Love. Social climbing and status are the goal, not an actual goal. Shows that featured more “male” goals and characters did not do very well. “Life” (main character wants to jail those who framed him for murder), and “Chuck” (main character wants his life back and the girl). One was canceled (Life) and the other barely renewed with an order of 13 episodes in Spring 2010. Guys have tuned out of TV.

    The highest rated shows are those that appeal only to women (and gays) like American Idol (peak ratings at 35 million). Or Desperate Housewives. Or Grey’s Anatomy.

    Most TV, most movies (save for a few male-oriented blockbusters that finance most everything else by making gobs of money), and most media is female oriented. Despite women not being anywhere near 80% of consumer spending (a 1950’s model that is as outdated as monogamy and the nuclear family).

    Taking cues from current TV/Movies is like taking Andrew Sullivan’s dating advice. Since most of it is created by gay men and women anyway, it’s simply useless.

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  97. Random Rant:

    Fuck, I was just browsing the photos of that fucking exclusive club and, what do I found? What do I found?

    A fucking photo of My Ten’s boyfreind, with a cute (eight) burnette. FUCK!
    Obsidian speaks of hate,
    now I feel it.

    HGRRRRRRR! FAAAAACK!

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  98. What I’m curious about, is what are you guys going to do once game goes mainstream? It’s only a matter of time before this stuff catches on and starts to appear in Cosmopolitan and Seventeen magazines on a regular basis. At some point, you’re going to have to learn to just be an attractive man and stop relying so much on crutches to get women. Didn’t one of you say that using the opinion opener in LA is pretty suicidal now? How long until the more popular mainstream techniques catch on? What are you going to do then?

    Of course, there are guys that are just naturally attractive, and will be able to get away with a technique here, a technique there, but those that rely completely on techniques should start worrying. It’s not like betas who use game are going to keep getting a free sex ride with women forever. Eventually, things are going to balance out again. Just like buying a woman a drink and the opinion opener became too well-known with women, so too, will the neg. One can already see this starting to happen with the popularity of magic tricks.

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  99. I some chick came up to me and said “you dress like a guy with a small dick”, I would welcome it – it signals “game on” to me!

    And these guys are obviously pretty clueless. Game – in the sense of simply ‘being Alpha’ is a comprehensive lifestyle, not a focused pick up technique.

    By the way, my lady just bought me a car.

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  100. @whiskey- “Deadwood” a gay/female plot? seriously? i’d say “John from Cincinnati” was the gay/female plot to distract Milch from what was one of the most male-centered and male-themed shows ever.

    ari is not neutered, he’s just clipped a bit, a real alpha personality edited a bit for TV.

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  101. on July 28, 2009 at 5:23 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ lovelysexy

    Thanks for the words.

    Her parents are immigrants – she is first generation – so I’m not sure if that makes it more or less likely that he’d be pissed. I mean, a generation or two ago I would be getting a dowry so who knows. The parents also like me A LOT (I’m a Jew and I work in finance, what more could Jewish parents want for their daughter?)

    But I think I can just go back to “well the Rabbi suggested it, you should ask him why.”

    And at the end of the day I think both she and her parents realize that I have to protect myself. They’re getting into a good thing on the ground floor, but there are strings that come with that.

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  102. Amestris followed blindly…

    @ Firepower

    Me too…

    you’re a chick, so try and follow:
    Women get fucked.
    only Men fuck

    you cannot “fuck” the BOTM – only “get fucked” by him. Perhaps you attract a slew of betas who mewl “ooh, fuck me baybee” when they want you cowgirl.

    got it?
    unless you’re a blond or have big tits, the above explanation should suffice.

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  103. Assanova, lol for 2 reasons:

    1. Just because you know something is coming doesn’t mean it won’t work. i know I’m going to be hungry for chocolate cake when I smell it, and I know X is making it to seduce me to to stay for dinner; its still going to make me want to stay and make me hungry.

    2. Just like anything that goes mainstream, most will be poor at game. Witness the explosion of poker: 90% of new poker players suck, just adding to the kitty of good poker players all around. Nothing has been better for the slightly-better-than-average guy that all the sucky players, makign him look even better.

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  104. Firepower, exactly what i say to any chick claiming “she fucked him good.”

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  105. feministx Hate to inform you. 99% of the guys that write anything on this blog are repulsively beta to me. & unlike all the disgusting loser betas on this blog.

    lol,
    feministx, I do believe you are instigating or flamming. Just to think, I had empathy for you(doug).

    Besides roissy, you haven’t found some attractive qualites in a few of the men on this board? From the top of my head I call MU, whiskey, kamal and wilmer,keith.

    Conor is like the pretty boy in a tribe that stays home and helps with women’s work while the alphas go out to fight wars or something

    I prefer the former. If the former can protect me when something goes down, I’m 100% his woman. The alpha who kills many people during wars will also beat your ass until the breaks fall off, sleep with your best friend and drink up the rent/mortgage money. When you are laying in your bed with a feaver of 102, your war alpha won’t do crap around the house or fix dinner for the kids.

    Yup, panty wetting is the most important thing when chosing a man.

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  106. lurker,

    “The neg sets you apart from other straight men, because 1) you’re suddenly caring about social cues; and 2) you’re saying she’s bad at some social cues. You’re setting a social goal for her to reach–it’s like a video game to her.”

    Hammer. Nail. Head.

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  107. on July 28, 2009 at 5:28 pm Backdoor Man

    @Doug1

    My wife is from South America.

    I don’t know anything about my prenup. I haven’t looked at since I signed it. My father sent me to his lawyer, we signed some standard prenup, and that was it. We don’t have children and our incomes are not that far apart, so it’s probably irrelevant anyhow.

    Neither of us had any money when we got married, but it was the principle that mattered. And it showed that we were realistic about the chances of the marriage working. That realism goes a long way; we sneer at the hopeless romantics who think they’ve got some special thing that will last forever. Our relationship is rock solid, but part of that, I think, is recognizing the ephemeral nature of relationships: it makes you appreciate them more and work to maintain them.

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  108. lovelysexybeauty wandered:

    Teasing is not just done in romantic situations! Guys tease each other all the time right? Maybe it’s called “cutting” on each other or something?

    that’s what indian chix do at church, when they hit 30, and the last Pradeep there has gotten his MD

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  109. lurker

    Firepower, exactly what i say to any chick claiming “she fucked him good.”

    she has titties, so it takes a while for word sounds to pass thru them
    and into their
    ears 🙂

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  110. Some commenters are implying that he’s a Lefty. He is not.

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  111. on July 28, 2009 at 5:38 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Asanova:

    What I’m curious about, is what are you guys going to do once game goes mainstream?

    Exactly. See my comment above.

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  112. Yeah, he misses it: negging is teasing.

    But Roissy, you either miss or avoid more subtle point here.

    While teasing is playful, it is humor, and humor is mostly always about decreasing her status relative to you. (See Provine: Laughter)

    So the truth about women is even harder than most people here are ready to admit: women get wet when they are dominated. That’s why they like negs.

    To complicate things they tend to believe they hate to be dominated.

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  113. Is there any show whiskey can’t turn into a man-HATE HATE HATING and pro-gay show? Even the Sopranos and Deadwood? But “Chuck” is manly?

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  114. -Carolus Reconditus-

    Cubing a girl will get you in trouble- asking “who lies more” will get you in trouble.

    but
    being an ASSHOLE will never fall out of style.
    cocky funny will never cease to work.

    teens and young men have known for years that joining the local sucky garage band will get them laid- women know that the men on the local bar stage suck- but they WANT to FUCK them anyway.

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  115. Carolus Reconditus

    That’s certainly not the case in Europe, at least in my Eurocrat working environment — almost all divorces I know about have been the result of male infidelities — when their wives ‘precipitated’ a divorce it was only after the husbands had already put them out to graze anyhow.

    That’s not the case in the US – where we have MUCH higher levels of divorce – female initiated divorce.

    I believe you have far less severe child support level that amount to alimony in most of the EU.

    Just because a man has infidelities after awhile doesn’t mean he’s necessarily put his wife “out to graze”. A lot more Euro women seem to put up with discrete infidelities as long as their man is otherwise a good husband.

    I think that men, or certainly alphas anyway, should be able to have discrete infidelities after awhile, so long as they don’t neglect their wife including sexually. I think they always did historically, without it generally giving rise to a female right to divorce.

    Yes I most definitely do believe in a double standard on this for reasons that Roissy and myself have made clear repeatedly.

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  116. Andrew Sullivan considers himself to be a believing Christian; albeit the kind who spends most Saturday nights before Sunday Mass lost in raw-dog homosexual orgies.
    Whatever.
    Nonetheless, like all believing Christians he really cannot allow himself to accept the underlying concepts of game. The notion that getting women to want to fuck you is fundamentally mis-aligned with piety and Christian virtue is a shit sandwich they do not want to deal with Denial is very important, therefore. In a way, their very souls are at stake.
    LovlySexy Beuty cannot be taken seriously about these things because she cannot sex on guys in this forum. She is thus deprived of the one honest means of truth telling available to a woman.

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  117. john wide-stanced:

    Re “Firepower”: “I want to fuck him.” You mean the beta??? Are u a broad? And…why?? Well,be that as it may,I love to see these moist,whimpering holier than thou betas get their well deserved drubbing!

    three cheers – give that dastardly rapscallion his comeuppance!~

    you must
    be new
    here

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  118. @GameinBK:

    “teens and young men have known for years that joining the local sucky garage band will get them laid- women know that the men on the local bar stage suck- but they WANT to FUCK them anyway.”

    Scientists that study evolution and human behavior are now suggesting that the visual and performing arts may just be, in a sense, complex human mating calls. Creating beatiful music, dancing, performing, etc. are all ways to attract mates.

    This is why Drama and Art majors are more promiscuous than say…computer science majors.

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  119. Roissy, have you ever written a post about women who swear like sailors? I don’t mean during the height of passion (which is excusable, even titillating), but rather casually. Christ, that’s a turnoff.

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  120. on July 28, 2009 at 6:10 pm Instafaggot

    Rum, you’re in waaaay over your head.

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  121. That’s right Mandy!XD. What you do on the corner on a Saturday night is just an artistic exhibit…

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  122. on July 28, 2009 at 6:14 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Doug1

    Doug, you write:

    I think that men, or certainly alphas anyway, should be able to have discrete infidelities after awhile, so long as they don’t neglect their wife including sexually. I think they always did historically, without it generally giving rise to a female right to divorce.

    Yes I most definitely do believe in a double standard on this for reasons that Roissy and myself have made clear repeatedly.

    I agree fully — better affairs than divorces anyhow.

    But I think there is a big difference between Europe and the US in that you don’t have the same wide choice of females that we have — ever since the fall of Communism Western Europe has been besieged by young Eastern European nubiles who have ‘spoilt the market’ for their sisters west of the Oder-Neisse. That applies both to the spot market (prostitution) and the respectable end of the spectrum.

    The positive side for middle-aged men in Europe is that they don’t have to take quite as much flack from their partners as in the USA.

    The East always beckons …

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  123. on July 28, 2009 at 6:16 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    chic noir, I’m just being honest. The artificial context of the internet is what makes Conor appear attractive though he is not what I would independently fantasize about.

    I can’t see which guys are tall or who has a deep voice or who has hair on his chest. I can’t garner who has a quit wit and a cocky sense of humor. I can’t tell who carries himself with an alpha male swagger.

    All I see is what people write. Roissy is there. He has a popular blog. He is thoughtful and talented. All these guys are sycophantic towards Roissy. Possibly fearful of being made fun of by Roissy. All these guys express fear of women- paranoia about pre nups and the unfairness of the modern world which merely allows women to make sexual choices. Then they tend to gang up on women as an abstract category online. Spending hours online picking on girls is not exactly sexy.

    Then you have Conor. He seems to write on another successful blog (resources + success= sexy). He is above posting here repeatedly about how he needs women’s sexuality to be constrained. Conor seems not afraid of women, and more importantly, not afraid of Roissy. He is the man who naturally challenges Roissy. He has his own space to do it on and he can match wits with Roissy. There is a alpha and the one who is not awed by the alpha and is not swayed by the alpha. Plus Conor has rather romatintically stood up for women. Fighting for women is sexier than ganging up on women on the internet.

    Roissy says betas hate alphas. Really? There are a lot of betas here. They seem to adore the alpha.

    I say Betas worship alphas. Betas hate women.

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  124. on July 28, 2009 at 6:19 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Mandy:

    This is why Drama and Art majors are more promiscuous than say…computer science majors.

    But by the time the drama types reach thirty they end up as down-at-heel gamma-minus wine waiters.

    It is then that the the high-income computer nerd begins to live out his ugly duckling fantasies.

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  125. Feministx.blogspot.com

    All these guys are sycophantic towards Roissy. Possibly fearful of being made fun of by Roissy.

    speak for
    yourself
    dude

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  126. on July 28, 2009 at 6:24 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Feministx:

    I say Betas worship alphas.

    The flip side of ‘worship’ is envy.

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  127. Feminist—

    Sorry guys. I have a cunt. It knows beta. Whatever Conor is, it’s sexually appealing.

    Girls notoriously don’t know and can’t predict their own cunt when talking theoretically rather than out in the field, which is why they’re the last ones to listen to on game or what male qualities actually attract them and which don’t.

    You in particular are the last female to listen to, seeing as how your cunt Is a lesbian feminist man hating cunt. Seeing as well that you notoriously prevaricate left and right, and change the story you present with regularity. You’ve never convincingly demonstrated that you actually have been sexually attracted to ANY man. No stories about that have rung even possibly true for example. None. Only stories about the detailed nature of your revulsion while having sex with men, who you subsequently dismissed as being betas, that’s why, though that’s not what you said at the time.

    You’ve only expressed a theoretical interest in a sufficiently alpha man, now that you’re past the midpoint of your 20s and in husband hunting South Asian Hindu panic. Last we heard it had to be exclusively of the “so dominantly alpha as to even be sadistic” type. Now here we hear you getting squishy about a pretty boy who stays home and helps with women’s work, while rougher sorts are out fighting the war that will defend the tribe.

    I call bullshiite.

    Not just on this but on your whole constructed and constantly changing persona. The one part that’s constant and does ring true is that you’re a man hating lesbian feminist.

    Oh and last you talked about Roissy you said he wasn’t your type and didn’t really appeal to you, though you could see how he was a kind of alpha.

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  128. Instafaggot

    Andrew, is that you?

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  129. doug1, when dealing with a lying lesbian like feministrix, the simplest approach works best:

    1) She, as a man-hating dyke, thinks she’s “supposed” to be attracted to nice-guy Conor, and can do so from the safety of her keyboard.

    2) Upon meeting Conor, she would run into the arms of the nearest butch.

    End scene/

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  130. i think its a big downturn when men talks about cunts. men should be sensitive and understanding 😦

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  131. on July 28, 2009 at 6:35 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    doug, I wouldn’t really have sex with Roissy. He’s just appealing for fantasy’s sake.

    Go ahead and turn guys against me. It’s your claim to fame, Doug. You hit on every girl that posts here with the exact same technique. You tell her that she’s special in xyz way. Unique for some reason, but not that great. You always throw in a mild but true neg. Then you try and get the girl to flirt with you. If she does, you get a pathetic forum romance ala you and bhetti where you follow the girl around the internet like a lost puppy, posting 100 inane flirtatious remarks per day.

    And you always resort to the same idiotic attack against me. You call me a manhating lesbian. As if you could be the person to determine if I can enjoy a man’s dick inside me. You call me inconsistent and artificially constructed.

    Be that way. Lead the way for all the betas on this blog to gang up against me. And spend a few hours and a few thousand words per day doing it. It’s revolting and pathetic, but it’s what makes you feel big- picking on some girl on Roissy’s blog with the help of other guys. Real challenge there.

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  132. Trouble-

    Some commenters are implying that he’s a Lefty. He is not.

    No one that I’ve seen has said he’s necessarily a far lefty. Instead he seems very PC.

    Since you seem to be more generally familiar with him, how do you describe his politics.

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  133. Feminsitrix, lol, ncie attempt at a feminist “deconstruction.” Now go back to trying to convince supple young things about the evils of the penis.

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  134. on July 28, 2009 at 6:38 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “1) She, as a man-hating dyke, thinks she’s “supposed” to be attracted to nice-guy Conor, and can do so from the safety of her keyboard.”

    I admit he’s not what I would instinctively be attracted to. In person it would depend on how he carried himself. If he’s articulate and confident, who knows- maybe he is appealing.

    I don’t like him because he’s a nice guy. I don’t care what ideology about life or women he has. I just like him because he stands out. He thinks differently and intelligently. And I can relate to him.

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  135. @Carolus Reconditus:

    “But by the time the drama types reach thirty they end up as down-at-heel gamma-minus wine waiters.

    It is then that the the high-income computer nerd begins to live out his ugly duckling fantasies.”

    Translation: Go on, cool kids! Make fun of the fact that I’m a Level 32 Paladin on WoW! I’ll be your boss someday!

    @lurker:

    “That’s right Mandy!XD. What you do on the corner on a Saturday night is just an artistic exhibit…”
    Street performing!

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  136. Waaaaaaaaaaa cry some more bitch, you come here stir shit up, get called on it and now you CRY???? Fucking hilarious.

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  137. “In person it would depend on how he carried himself. ”
    —dumb dyke. He would carry himself like the emasculated troll he is.

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  138. @doug, lurker- spot on about FemX, as previously, but she’s really not worth the energy or attention. Only encourages more contrarian, attention-baiting comments. your (doug) e-harem of non-screwed-up, alpha-friendly females is perfectly harmless and enjoyable.

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  139. she is not a man-hating dyke. we women want a tender, soft, understanding man for marriage. but luckily, i have overcome that need for men. i have decided to live for jesus.

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  140. “Street performing!”
    —Oh, is that what giving out blowjobs to people with Nobama bumper stickers is called by whores like you? I should have known, Mandy! XD, that a left wing nut like you thinks you’re just expressing yourself through swallowing.

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  141. @doug

    “No one that I’ve seen has said he’s necessarily a far lefty. Instead he seems very PC. ”

    We’re in agreement there, because I didn’t state that people were implying he’s a far Lefty. I stated that some implied he’s a Lefty (notice the absence of a word?).

    But to answer your question, he’s like Sullivan (which would be the reason why he guest-blogged for him). He’s center-right.

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  142. Avela

    You want a “soft” man for marriage? You said it, no one else did.
    The reason that women are generally un-aware of the workings of their own sexuality is that they need to deceive themselves in order to achieve their mission. Which is to pair-bond with the type of guy your pussy wants to avoid at all costs.

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  143. on July 28, 2009 at 6:48 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    you guys are just proving my point.

    Bunch of cowardly betas that excel at nothing more than they excel at groupthink that hang out on some alpha’s blog and pick on various girls. I don’t know how anyone wouldn’t cringe while fucking you…well, unless you’re really hot.

    And I’m not crying here or anything. Not sure why we think I’m upset by your absolutely predictable behavior.

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  144. @avela:

    “i have decided to live for jesus.”

    Amen. Focus on Jesus, and everything else works out. A friend of mine always says that when the right time comes, he’ll send you someone. Through the good and bad, if you stay with Jesus, then you will be rewarded.

    And ewwww lurker. ewwwww.

    Keep it in your pants. ;-;

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  145. “A friend of mine always says that when the right time comes, he’ll send you someone.”
    —Mandy!XD thinks that he’s NotMyPresident.

    “you guys are just proving my point. ”
    —only to an illogical dyke is “ripping apart my stupid arguments with logic” considered “proving my point.”

    Go back to Feminist Studies, biatch!

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  146. i don’t want a man at all! sex is filthy and impure, and i want nothing of it! 😦

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  147. @lurker:

    Umm…here’s a word of advice.

    Don’t ever claim to have telepathy. Because you fail at it. Terribly.

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  148. @avela:

    How old are you?

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  149. Feministx-

    And you always resort to the same idiotic attack against me. You call me a manhating lesbian. … You call me inconsistent and artificially constructed.

    Only because it’s all so true. You ARE a radical feminist man hating lesbian. You’re the last person any man should take seriously. Of course you approve of feminism supporting men like you wimpy boy here.

    Be that way. Lead the way for all the betas on this blog to gang up against me.

    You’ve always offered almost all the men on this blog nothing but scorn and derision. You now offer that to all here, except Roissy. Meanwhile promoting feminism, and radical feminism at that, is your number one social goal, white you remain thoroughly anti game. Why should anyone here take anything you say seriously or listen to you at all?

    ala you and bhetti where you follow the girl around the internet like a lost puppy, posting 100 inane flirtatious remarks per day.

    No, she follows me around. And hungers badly for attention when she doesn’t get enough. But is charming, sexy and enticing about it.

    If she does [respond to flirting], you get a pathetic forum romance

    She’s not the only girl from here that has flirted with me quite a lot on and off here.

    I’m in a live together committed relationship. Online flirting here and off here is ancillary to that. Flirting here is secondary by far to my anti-feminism, game, realism and other commenting. Of course you don’t like my anti feminism. Yaaann.

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  150. i’m 19, will be 20 in september.

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  151. Mandy! XD, if I ever wanted an opinion from a local hooker who worships at the altar of Castro…I’ll give it to you.

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  152. @avela

    Successful troll is successful.

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  153. i’m no troll! i am just tired of all the men looking at me at the bus… i don’t dare to take public transit anymore! 😦

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  154. on July 28, 2009 at 6:56 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “—only to an illogical dyke is “ripping apart my stupid arguments with logic” ”

    Intellectually lazy men can conveniently rely on the (true) stereotype that women are less logical than men in order to avoid addressing the actual content of what any woman says.

    No one is adequately “ripping to shreds” anything that I am saying. Not that it matters. Some of the guys seem to have developed a little clique on this blog where they support each other’s ranting, no matter how absurd.

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  155. @FemX – why don’t you just go the fuck away? what makes you think you know anything about the guys that post here, or roissy? when you first showed up, you posted a bunch of outrageous and obviously twisted/concocted shit about yourself. which we reacted to and called BS on. now you show up mooning over some beta, we call you on that, then you get pissy.

    there’s a certain fakeness, inconsistency, and especially a provocative kind of passive-aggression about your style that is really off-putting. go ahead and flame me back, my dear, wouldn’t expect otherwise, but you kinda make me sad. you’ll be married off to your surgeon from the old country soon enough, and you’ll be very regretful that you won’t be able to totally delete all the evidence of your imaginary transgressive lifestyle from the Internet.

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  156. i’m no troll! i am just tired of all the men looking at me at the bus… i don’t dare to take public transit anymore! 😦

    lol

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  157. “No one is adequately “ripping to shreds” anything that I am saying. ”
    –rule 1 of feminism: ignore all logic to the contrary, insist anyone arguing back has no arguments.

    This is how feminism works, boys. Take heed of teh stupid.

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  158. stop laughing at me! it is’nt funny at all! IT IS’NT FUNNY!

    STOP!

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  159. feministx–

    The Conor dude is not the a classic beta. Hate to inform you. 99% of the guys that write anything on this blog are repulsively beta to me. They want to act alpha but they have no finesse, so they resort to neandrothal level misogyny.

    ***

    Sorry guys. I have a cunt. It knows beta. Whatever Conor is, it’s sexually appealing. Conor is like the pretty boy in a tribe that stays home and helps with women’s work while the alphas go out to fight wars or something.

    What a joke you are.

    You would promote the man who stays home and does women’s work.

    The wonder is that you think anyone other that a few girls like chic noir (who’s never had anything but a lick orgasm) will pay any attention to you, might cunt owner.

    Yours is a man hating radical feminist lesbian cunt.

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  160. Doug1, FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  161. @doug, lurker – I have a similar comment pending in moderation.

    FemX, go the fuck away – you are an evil, spiteful troll. you add nothing of value and seem to show up here only to provoke and flame, in an uninteresting and nonconstructive way.

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  162. that is why i would never get a man, because most men are behaving like pigs towards women. 😦

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  163. on July 28, 2009 at 7:02 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “Only because it’s all so true. You ARE a radical feminist man hating lesbian.”

    Mmm hmm. Tell it to the guy who fucks me. After I beg for it. For days. You’re clearly just upset because I can’t even pretend to be not out of your league.

    “You’re the last person any man should take seriously. Of course you approve of feminism supporting men like you wimpy boy here.”

    Suit yourself. The way to attractive alpha maleness is to be an angry beta follower that has issues with feminism and his own machoness, just like all the other angry beta followers.

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  164. Avela, finally, a fun troll!

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  165. @lurker:

    “Mandy! XD, if I ever wanted an opinion from a local hooker who worships at the altar of Castro…I’ll give it to you.”

    okok lemme break this down:
    -local: hmmmm…you must live near me
    -hooker: hmmmm…this would involve me selling myself for money, which goes against my principles. Fail, try again.
    -worships at the altar of Castro: No, I worship Jesus.
    -I’ll give it to you: Give what to me? HIV? No thanks.

    And I love how your arguments go,”I DNT LYK U BCUZ U R HOAR” when:
    a) I’m a virgin.
    b) You sleep with hookers.

    hmmmm…seems like you’re angry because I’m underaged AND waiting.

    way to fail, cupcake.

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  166. I’M NOT A TROLL!

    😦 😦 😦

    stop calling me that! i am not ugly!

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  167. Even better ! cuter by the comment 🙂

    You are not ugly, you are a cute troll! especially if you have small boobies.

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  168. Feministx All these guys express fear of women- paranoia about pre nups and the unfairness of the modern world which merely allows women to make sexual choices. Then they tend to gang up on women as an abstract category online. Spending hours online picking on girls is not exactly sexy.

    I’ve never read anything from Mu or Kamal where they jumped into the gang up on any woman who posts here. Even lady rein didn’t trigger much abuse from either of the two. I’ve defended the a few of the men here on another blog. There are some nice men here who aren’t misogynists.

    feministx Plus Conor has rather romatintically stood up for women. Fighting for women is sexier than ganging up on women on the internet
    *shakes head in agreement*
    This is very true.

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  169. do no talk about my… my… things…

    you make me feel filthy!

    that is why i don’t go out! men are just looking at me!

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  170. Hey, guys, how about we all stop fighting and sit in a circle and hold hands?

    Then we can talk about our ~feelings.

    And eat ~chocolate.

    And ~cry about things for no reason.

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  171. Yeah, Deadwood is gay/female. It would not seem like it, gunfighters and such, but if you read what the creator, Milch had to say about it, he basically said it’s a study in male corruption and life outside law, required by economic interests. Very anti-male. It’s notable that no central character has a goal that he wants to achieve, just simply exists/is. Too right on John on Cincinnati. But Deadwood was like that too, just more violently showy. [Read his take at the link, basically Indians good and noble, White men evil/bad. Link here ]

    As for both “Chuck” and “Life” they were interesting experiments that failed. “Smart” protagonist (the Life central character was far more tough and physical, with “Band of Brothers” action sequences sped up to call-back star Damien Lewis’s role there as Captain. Ed Winters) and “tough-chick” costar. Interestingly, “Chuck” drew a few more passionately involved female viewers who liked the tougher action chick (itself fairly laughable) and launched a major campaign at Subway, a sponsor, to demand renewal. But what “Chuck,” “Life,” “Eleventh Hour,” “the Mentalist,” and “Fringe” all had in common was a “smart-man, tough chick” pairing. Interestingly enough, the tougher male leads (Life, Eleventh Hour) did not do well, and the “softest” male lead “the Mentalist” did the best.

    All of these shows were “male-bait” to get men to watch in addition to a female base. Only one was a hit, and “Fringe” merely so-so.

    Joe — What was Tony Soprano’s goal? That of the central character on Deadwood? What did pay-cable service did they run on? Female-oriented: backstabbing, scheming, social climbing — that’s Tony Soprano, ironically one of the most feminine characters on TV. He wanted nothing as a goal, just to be. He was in therapy. Even the ending was him being, not doing. That’s female-gay.

    Chuck was very, very male (like Dungeons and Dragons). A geeky nerd who loves computers and is derailed into retail hell, he has no direction or goals (seen as a flaw EXPLICITLY) until he meets the girl and gets dragged into spy life. Then he wants both the girl and his old life back. He has goals. He takes action to get it. Probably the sheer beta-ness of the old Chuck which shone through in the scripts made the character not that attractive to female viewers. For men, TV has long been abandoned which is a problem for any male-oriented show.

    A specific goal for the male lead, and action taken towards that goal, define a male show. Simply being or becoming, that’s female/gay oriented. Ari Gold, Tony Soprano, most of the Deadwood guys, Vic Mackey on the Shield, or Denis Leary in Rescue Me, they don’t have goals, they just want to be, therefore they are female/gay no matter how macho they posture.
    ——————–
    I do think beta men dislike intensely and often hate female-oriented Alphas, i.e. the classic ladies man, ala say Hugh Grant. Who is roundly disliked by most men.

    However, Roissy is also the classic male-oriented Alpha, with a patronage network. His blog is full of advice, tips, and techniques proven to work with women. As well as a discussion forum about them. If he was just a PUA with no patronage network, beta men would not like him. Because of his patronage network, beta men like him. Most male relationships are based on patronage, backscratching, and mentoring. Something women just don’t get (nor do Gay men).

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  172. Lunatic Lurker She, as a man-hating dyke, thinks she’s “supposed” to be attracted to nice-guy Conor, and can do so from the safety of her keyboard.

    Hey crazy, it may surprise you but some women really do like nice men. It’s not about what I’m “supposed” to like, it’s about the type of man who makes me feel warm inside and my heart contract a bit.

    lunatic lurker Feminsitrix, lol, ncie attempt at a feminist “deconstruction.” Now go back to trying to convince supple young things about the evils of the penis.

    By her own admission she has had 20 women this year, how many have you had.

    Looney Lurker Oh, is that what giving out blowjobs to people with Nobama bumper stickers is called by whores like you? I should have known, Mandy! XD, that a left wing nut like you thinks you’re just expressing yourself through swallowing.

    Well since you went downtown on a 2-dollar hoe, you don’t have room to talk.

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  173. i don’t understand why men are looking at me? i don’t like that they think… sexual things about me… that they want to touch me…

    its so filthy!

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  174. feministx–

    All these guys express fear of women- paranoia about pre nups and the unfairness of the modern world which merely allows women to make sexual choices.

    You would have a big problem with prenups wouldn’t you? South Asian Hindu golddigging feminist lesbian. Might real, real likely get triggered in your case, if you couldn’t manage to dupe some male into marriage without one, with some good play acting pre marriage.

    The principal unfairness of the current feminist world especially in the Anglosphere is that it gives women sexual choices but then makes men pay for them. In the form of half his accumulated wealth even if she did little or nothing to earn it and child support at such high levels that it amounts to fullsome alimony — even when she’s the one who cheats and then decides, as her feminist right they tell us, to deny him sex. He still should pay all that. And maybe alimony named as such on top! For way more than half of his after tax income.

    Yeah, no thanks.

    Don’t even consider marriage without a prenup precuding all alimony under all conditions and in light of the child support=alimony that is hard to impossible to be sure you can get around in a prenup, keeping all your own money in the event of a divorce. The child support=alimony is too much already, particular in the case of most American women’s reasons for seeking divorce, or forcing it. American women are the one’s ending marriages one way or the other 90% of the time, our only resident divorce lawyer (Esquire) has told us.

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  175. on July 28, 2009 at 7:12 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “You would promote the man who stays home and does women’s work.”

    Attractiveness comes in many shapes and forms. Guys in uniform can be hot. Whisper thin guitarists, intellectuals, male models, pool guys, multi millionaires… Straight men in women’s fields can get a lot of tail if they work it right. Straight fashion designers, make up artists etc do fine with women from what I have seen.

    But this Conor dude is not a homemaker anyways. He is successful in internet world. I like him. I might be femx, but I have nice tits and a vag, and I’m a freak in bed. I’d be interested in Conor if he were good in bed. I’m guessing a lot of SWPL girls would like him too. What he says is not what Roissy says, but Conor is confident about his unique and well expressed way of seeing things. I’m attracted to that.

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  176. “By her own admission she has had 20 women this year, how many have you had. ” Typical feminist shaming language, You’re a pathetic creature Chick.

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  177. on July 28, 2009 at 7:16 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “You would have a big problem with prenups wouldn’t you?”

    Not personally. If I got married to someone with enough money to make a prenup worthwhile, I’d not be complaining. At my age, nearly every guy is broke, so pre nups have no meaning.

    As for marriage laws- whatever. I’d be interested in a state where all people can come up with their own personalized marriage contracts. They could stipulate anything they wanted in them- who gets custody of children, who takes what percentage of the money earned etc. Freedom is feminist.

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  178. Unrelated, but here’s a good story.

    My buddy is dating this nice, pretty Asian girl. He only dates Asian girls. They’re getting pretty serious. He’s normally a total player, but is falling for this girl. Dating six months ish.

    Week ago, she leaves her browser open on her email. Has like 15 messages from one of those date a millionaire sites. As in, she’s a member and gets messages from dude members.

    So he boots her out. She calls him every day. “I didn’t understand” she says, LOL.

    So his good friend el chief suggested he let her back. Get her to do some ass-to-mouth. Maybe invite a couple of male friends over and make her “air tight”. Have her get all dolled up and meet him at Lumiere (the fanciest place in town), and then not show up.

    He’s done the ATM so far…we’ll see how it goes.

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  179. lurker wrote
    Mandy! XD, if I ever wanted an opinion from a local hooker who worships at the altar of Castro…I’ll call my no raincoat date from Saturday night.

    Doug You would promote the man who stays home and does women’s work. what is wrong with a man helping out around the house? Helping to care for his children? I don’t buy your arguments that such chores make a man less masculine.

    The wonder is that you think anyone other that a few girls like chic noir (who’s never had anything but a lick orgasm

    *shakes index finger at doug*

    That’s not my fault 😦

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  180. The line:

    “Every man can imagine how he would feel if a woman approached him at a bar, assessed his dress or some physical feature, and breezily made some cutting public remark: ‘You dress like a guy who has a small dick.’ ”

    clinches his BOTM victory. Can you imagine the fragile, Faberge egg of an ego of the man who fears a girl insulting him? Any man who would let one comment tear into his psyche like a hollow point through rice paper deserves the inevitable cuckoldry.

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  181. feministx

    I don’t like him because he’s a nice guy. I don’t care what ideology about life or women he has. I just like him because he stands out. He thinks differently and intelligently. And I can relate to him.

    There’s nothing remotely different about what he said in what Roissy quoted. It’s standard line PC on how to treat women.

    The standard line that feminists approve of and that in fact doesn’t work. As this blog has demonstrated irrefutable time and again. Mostly by Roissy’s blog posts. But also by many commenters own told experiences.

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  182. Yeah, Deadwood is gay/female. It would not seem like it, gunfighters and such, but if you read what the creator, Milch had to say about it, he basically said it’s a study in male corruption and life outside law, required by economic interests. Very anti-male. It’s notable that no central character has a goal that he wants to achieve, just simply exists/is. Too right on John on Cincinnati. But Deadwood was like that too, just more violently showy. [Read his take at the link, basically Indians good and noble, White men evil/bad. Link here ]

    Just because it doesn’t glorify men doesn’t make it female and gay-oriented. I know few women who watch Deadwood. It’s still male-oriented, just with grey morality and a lot of cynicism.

    Chuck is targeted for women and homos. Real men don’t watch shit like Chuck. I bet a WAY higher proportion of the audience for shows like Chuck are homos and chicks than for Deadwood and the Sopranos. I don’t care how many goals the guy has.

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  183. that depends on what kind of girl you wants. if you want a self-absorbed slut who like to suck off men, then roissys methods will probably work.

    but if you want a nice, sweet, faithful girl like me, it won’t work…

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  184. […] An expert in the field defends the neg here.  I found this […]

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  185. One question to all guys on this blog- Why do you even bother responding to these cunts?

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  186. chic noir

    Doug You would promote the man who stays home and does women’s work. what is wrong with a man helping out around the house? Helping to care for his children? I don’t buy your arguments that such chores make a man less masculine.

    I basically think that a living together or married couple should seek to divide the total amount of work hours equally. If he’s working a lot more hours she should be doing a lot more child care/ housework. Some feminists have the incredible notion that housework should be shared equally no matter what the relative hours are. I call complete bullshiite to that.

    However some consideration should be given as to how much housework or home improvement really needs to be done. American women are encouraged to think 1) that what they want should go in this area period, and 2) that their husband should do at least half of this unnecessary work. I call bullshiite to that.

    Of course I partly escape some of this by hiring people. Partly I do do little projects to make her happy. And come up with my own. Or have.

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  187. on July 28, 2009 at 7:30 pm Willard Libby

    Feministx.blogspot.com

    Plus Conor has rather romatintically stood up for women.

    To me it seems like he’s just standing up, or at least sitting down and typing, for himself. I think he’s simply reinforceing his own identity as a Good Guy in relation to the Bad Guys out there in Game Land.

    He is engaging in the typical Watch Me I’m Whiter than You game that SWPL types live for.

    Fighting for women is sexier than ganging up on women on the internet.

    But neither are as good as being an independent observer of human nature who lacks the need to be approved of by others for holding the socially correct view of the situation.

    Roissy says betas hate alphas. Really? There are a lot of betas here. They seem to adore the alpha.

    I say Betas worship alphas. Betas hate women.

    No, Betas HATE HATE HATE women. Get it right, you bug eyed, bony assed Hindu bitch.

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  188. on July 28, 2009 at 7:32 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “There’s nothing remotely different about what he said in what Roissy quoted. It’s standard line PC on how to treat women.”

    No one says it. That’s the thing about “PC”. Everyone hates being PC. Almost no one is willing to say “I’m PC”

    I met one guy in my life who came out and said “I have no problem with being called PC. PC is just some word that is made up to make liberals ashamed of their own beliefs.”

    It was totally out of the box. I did fuck that man (for reasons aside from that quote).

    Liberal post modernist men can get laid plenty. A man’s ideology doesn’t necessarily matter. There is no evidence to suggest that this Conor dude is a nice guy anyways. All I know is that he doesn’t give a shit about the support of the rabble on this blog, which represent the perspectives of most frustrated single men.

    Guys think they are special for seeing through feminism or standing up to the PC. LOL. Practically all guys think this way. It’s exactly what doesn’t make them special. It only works if you take it to the extreme and admit to doing things like hitting your girlfriend because at that point, you are your own thing and you are just as different and self thinking as the guy who sees that a neg is effective but remains above using it anyways.

    Two guys I have been highly attracted to that are connected to this blog.

    1) Roissy
    2) Conor

    They both have intelligence, success, mastery of writing skills and they think for themselves.

    Guys who I wouldn’t kill myself if married to

    1) Kamal
    2) Obsidian

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  189. on July 28, 2009 at 7:33 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD

    Hey, guys, how about we all stop fighting and sit in a circle and hold hands?

    Then we can talk about our ~feelings.

    And eat ~chocolate.

    And ~cry about things for no reason.

    When are you going to go get your inner tube and do a reverse Elian Gonzalez?

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  190. funkyk Typical feminist shaming language, You’re a pathetic creature Chick.

    so that comment hurt huh?. Well it wasn’t addressed to you but to that wacko lurker. did you read my comments to feministx? do you have a problem with my telling her that there are some nice guys here?

    have you posted anything to lurker for his chronic harassing of a 17-year-old girl?

    @maurice- maintain your composure. you are one the nicer men here, don’t allow her comments to rattle you.

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  191. Whiskey

    I watched all of the Deadwood series and even bought and read the book Milch did about it.
    Frankly, I got a different picture of Milchs intention. Very different. Milch seemed to be saying that Deadwood is what you get when money, wealth, success can be dug directly out of the Ground without having to build anything useful.
    But he also emphasized how the real-life Deadwood was one of the most progressive cities in America in its prime. One of the first to have electric lights. Nicest Hotels, honest bankers, etc.
    My take is that for Milch Deadwood was a love story, of sorts. He loved the place because it was so deeply American, warts and all. I mean, those people were not cowards or lazy. They dealt with the world as it was and got along pretty far.
    The real Seth Bullock ended up as a good friend of Teddy Roosevelt and well known nationally. Sol Starr was elected mayor of Deadwood like 10 times and died rich and respected. Swaergingen died penniless face down in a sewer.
    What’s not to like?

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  192. on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 pm Willard Libby

    Feministx.blogspot.com

    Guys who I wouldn’t kill myself if married to

    1) Kamal
    2) Obsidian

    You wouldn’t have to, they’d probably kill you first.

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  193. on July 28, 2009 at 7:35 pm Cannon's Canon

    whiskey,

    i am sorry that you made chic noir’s list of otherwise obtuse, boring, or noticeably flawed cyber-personalities – de facto characteristics of the men she would profess to idealize.

    with good-natured humor, allow me to suggest that you amp up your asshole game to avoid further obfuscation.

    the “versatility of the neg” is in play!

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  194. “so that comment hurt huh?.”
    Again, shaming huh?

    “@maurice- maintain your composure. you are one the nicer men here, don’t allow her comments to rattle you.”
    Why should he? She waltzes in here stirs shit up and cries “not fair everyone is ganging up on me” when called up on it.

    My question is? Why do you come here Chick? Most of the content and comments are objectionable to your view on the mating game and you will NOT change anyone’s mind with yours, shaming and all. So again why are you here?

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  195. Conor has the right feeling, but the wrong approach. So I can see why some fems here (Femx, chic) would be attracted. But attracted in the long run?

    Negs are a good thing – they keep a woman off of a pedestal. The best way to keep a woman interested is to make her feel she must aspire to have you. Once she feels she’s above you somehow, it’s over. Negs keep her below.

    At the same time, you want to make her feel good, feminine, loved, cared for (once she’s earned it). Conor’s sentiment is about making a woman feel good and boosting her self-esteem.

    There’s a fine balance and he’s missing it. A balance needed in a relationship.

    A neg can make a woman feel more feminine, actually. A well-placed tease will show your control over yourself, your lack of fear, and your dominance. And this speaks to a woman’s core.

    The idea of game is more nuanced than he seems to understand…

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  196. i am not a troll and i’m going to prove it!

    here is me!

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  197. on July 28, 2009 at 7:46 pm Feministx.blogspot.com

    “Feministx.blogspot.com

    Plus Conor has rather romatintically stood up for women.

    To me it seems like he’s just standing up, or at least sitting down and typing, for himself. I think he’s simply reinforceing his own identity as a Good Guy in relation to the Bad Guys out there in Game Land.”

    Well, sitting and typing for yourself is all you can do on the internet. Good guy is hot. Bad guy is hotter. Bad guy’s henchmen are nothing.

    He is engaging in the typical Watch Me I’m Whiter than You game that SWPL types live for.”

    But he does it so well. Just like roissy does the sociopathic misogynist thing so well.

    “Fighting for women is sexier than ganging up on women on the internet.

    But neither are as good as being an independent observer of human nature who lacks the need to be approved of by others for holding the socially correct view of the situation.”

    It is true. Roissy is hotter than Conor, but I did not get the impression that Conor expressed such a belief out of a need to conform to a socially correct view. He seems to act out of his own internal ethics. He knows negs work. But he finds it sad that they work and does not stoop to using them. Thus they both are independent observers of human nature who hold their own views, not society’s views. Roissy believes genetics uber alles. So do I, for the most part. But I don’t care that Conor probably doesn’t.

    “No, Betas HATE HATE HATE women. Get it right, you bug eyed, bony assed Hindu bitch.”

    My ass is not boney.

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  198. on July 28, 2009 at 7:47 pm deTocqueville

    avela is killing me. hilarious troll . . . but so good that a part of me thinks that she’s an innocent, naive christian asian girl who thinks that trolls only live under bridges and not on blogs.

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  199. Dreamer, dead on!!!!

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  200. @willard- you are such a jealous little hater.

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  201. i’m not chinese! look at the photo! do i look chinese?

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  202. avela

    Is that your posting on Guess Her Muff?

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  203. stop talking to me like that! you are creepy!

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  204. chic noir–

    @maurice- maintain your composure. you are one the nicer men here, don’t allow her comments to rattle you.

    Why should we be nice to the enemy?

    You are feminine chic noir and care about men’s welfare as well as women’s. YOu don’t go as far in anti-feminism as I’d like but you do care and try to be reasonable most of the time.

    Committed feminists, particularly of the man hating variety, ARE the enemy. Probably the most important general one in the life of American men these days, family law and other feminist laws have gotten so bad. (Sure individuals will have bigger enemies, at work or where ever but that’s individual.)

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  205. i am happy to live in scandinavia… i cannot understand why you americans are so sexist.

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  206. chic noir

    doug1: The wonder is that you think anyone other that a few girls like chic noir (who’s never had anything but a lick orgasm

    *shakes index finger at doug*

    That’s not my fault

    That wasn’t intended as an insult or attack though I can see how it would feel like it. It was intended as a bit of disqualification.

    As for what’s your fault — may I suggest you try an edgier, more dominant, more warrior and less “pretty boy who helps with woman’s work” sort of man? You just may find you start to get cock O’s, and as well their intensity changing.

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  207. Doug I basically think that a living together or married couple should seek to divide the total amount of work hours equally. If he’s working a lot more hours she should be doing a lot more child care/ housework

    Actually your assessment is fair and one I totally agree with.

    @willard- you shouldn’t ride connor for doing the very same thing you did with LR(which I respect you for)

    Willard No, Betas HATE HATE HATE women

    Add a quantifier and you may be on to something.

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  208. why would she like to have cocks? 😦

    do you realise how creepy that sounds?

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  209. on July 28, 2009 at 8:01 pm Dave from Hawaii

    @ Obs

    In my view, the chief reason why people like Sullivan and Connor hate on Game is because, not only does it work, but because it is a practically failsafe system that works.

    While your first comment here was spot on, I quibble with this…

    …guys like Sullivan and Connor hate on Game because they are still stuck “IN THE MATRIX.” They been given a view of it, yet they refuse to believe what their eyes tell them. They cling desperately to the Matrix-based lies of feminism and equalitarianism.

    For Sully, he’s a gay, and an overtly hysterical drama queen…who cares what he thinks, because he doesn’t. He emotes…like a woman.

    But Connor…well, he still thinks that being the “nice guy” who “understands women” (i.e. offers to be her emotional tampon in some hopes that she will “fall for the niceguy.”) is the key.

    He hates “assholes” who run game, not because they are “assholes” but because he just cannot reconcile the cognitive dissonance between his white knighting chivalry is how he thinks he has to be to have success with the ladies and what his own eyes are showing him actually works.

    In short, Connor “hates” game because he is too fond of his blue pill. He’s aware of the existence of the red pill, but he’s doesn’t want to give up taking the blue pill.

    @Rum

    Nonetheless, like all believing Christians he really cannot allow himself to accept the underlying concepts of game.

    This speaks more to the wussification and feminization of modern Christianity. Biblical doctrine actually quite strongly lays out the Patriarchal model in which the man leads and the woman submits, and there is no biblical precedent for upholding mindless chivalry or putting women on a pedestal.

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  210. i have read the bible and it does’nt say so at all! jesus was no macho-man, but a tender and sweet man.

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  211. doug1 may I suggest you try an edgier, more dominant, more warrior and less “pretty boy who helps with woman’s work” sort of man

    I don’t like thuggish men of any strip whether suburban, urban or rural. The only time I need a dominant man is when things get hot,otherwise he treats me with respect and I will treat him with respect.

    I don’t see these types of game dynamics going on between my parents so I know it’s possible that two people can have a successful relationship without a load of bull.

    btw doug, most women don’t have “V” explosions.

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  212. @WillardLibby:

    “When are you going to go get your inner tube and do a reverse Elian Gonzalez?”

    When are you going to get it through your head that I was born in the United States?

    Yes, surprisingly, I’m an American citizen by birth. So is my father, in fact, he comes from thirteen generations of Americans.

    And yes, my ancestors fought in the revolution.

    You can thank me later.

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  213. avela–

    i cannot understand why you americans are so sexist.

    What’s wrong with being sexist?

    You don’t think the sexes are entirely equal do you, except in total worth. They should be before the law but there women are more equal than men in America and Scandanavia as well I hear.

    You do realize that men are naturally dominant over women, and have always dominated women in all societies down through history, right? The only way that’s changed currently is by giving women an equal vote and then over time by feminist ideology getting laws passed that men enforce (so far) preventing or greatly reducing that dominance in all kinds of ways, in homes with domestic violence law and hugely male punish divorce and child support laws, in workplaces with affirmative action and sexua harrassment law, and so on.

    All of these are laws limiting male dominance. Which naturally exists, to a large extent.

    Read history and anthropology if you don’t believe me. It even gets through feminist history and anthropology it’s so clear.

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  214. what is natural is not right because of that! is it right to rape women as well because that is usual in primitive societies? is it right to eat people?

    😦 😦 😦

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  215. chic noir

    I don’t like thuggish men of any strip whether suburban, urban or rural.

    A man doesn’t have to be thuggish to be highly dominant sexually. Take Roissy for example. Or PA. Or me. Or Mu.

    Try it. You might like it.

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  216. NOW YOU HAVE MADE ME ANGRY AND I DON’T WANNA READ ANYMORE! I NEED TO GO TO BED NOW SO GOODNIGHT!!

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  217. avela

    Picture this: Jesus is on the cross. Mary Magdalene, who he always had a crush on but never actually got to first base with, is fellating a Roman Centurian just a few yards away, right where he can see it. She does not really understand why she is doing it, she just felt this strange attraction towards him. Maybe it was his well hidden sensitive side…

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  218. @Joel:

    “Like the dead white guy said, “How all occasions do inform against me….”

    and spur my dull revenge!

    You’re not promoting a beta revolution, are you? ;]

    @doug:
    “A man doesn’t have to be thuggish to be highly dominant sexually. Take Roissy for example. Or PA. Or me. Or Mu.

    Try it. You might like it.”

    And the snake offers Eve the apple.

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  219. AAAARRRRRGHHHHH

    STOP THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!

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  220. Conor doesn’t look like a well young man. Apart from needing a shave, what’s with the baggy dark circles under his eyes? Perhaps too much masturbation, anemia, or staying up all night worrying?

    @ whiskey
    Interesting theory regarding alphas in film = goal-oriented. I always considered Ian McShane’s Al Swearengen in Deadwood to be one of the most devastating alphas put on film. I haven’t seen it in a while, so I’ll have to review it again with that hypothesis in mind.

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  221. Doug Why should we be nice to the enemy?

    It’s just that maurice has such a warm sweet e-personality so I don’t want him to become hard and bitter because of feministx’s posts. As it is now, when things get hot around here, I run behind Maurice and Wellmer(default RIP) for cover.

    You are feminine chic noir and care about men’s welfare as well as women’s. You don’t go as far in anti-feminism as I’d like but you do care and try to be reasonable most of the time

    Thank you sir doug, you have me in a nutshell. I think for the very reasons you mentioned above, I can’t find peace on either male or feminine oriented sites. I really do, with everything inside of me, try to be fair just and empathize with the plights of other people, but I find that most people are not the same.

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  222. on July 28, 2009 at 8:17 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Keep in mind that looks-wise, Feministx is just a 5. She does not have the options available to her that support the tone she takes.

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  223. Chic-
    “The wonder is that you think anyone other that a few girls like chic noir (who’s never had anything but a lick orgasm)

    *shakes index finger at doug*

    That’s not my fault ”

    Holy shit.

    Is that true?

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  224. Mandyxd And the snake offers Eve the apple.

    LOLROF
    You know, I think he is trying to rope me in mandyxd.

    Joel She didn’t exactly say we all had small dicks, but,

    Not always a bad thing. You must know how to use it well and have a few more tricks .

    Willard “When are you going to go get your inner tube and do a reverse Elian Gonzalez?”

    As soon as you figure out a way to give her that inner tube that once was your waist.

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  225. on July 28, 2009 at 8:24 pm The Older Man

    “In person it would depend on how he carried himself. ”

    Look at the Photo – FFS the guy cant carry off a Smile past the horizontal – look at the droopie eyes and the down slant on the eyebrows.

    This is a beaten man.

    Check out the head tilt – he doesn’t even have the T-levels to hold his head up properly.

    This guy needs to spend 2 years in the Gym and 3 protein shakes a day and to stop looking like the Tom Hanks character in Philidephia.

    If he came into my office for a job interview he wouldn’t even get past the secretary.

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  226. @avela

    The trolling is getting boring.

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  227. @aj travis- I’m afraid to answer . I don’t want to make you angry.

    Doug Try it. You might like it.

    no thanks. PA come across as a bit thugish and roissy as well, to a lesser extent.

    I like avela but I miss biting beaver 🙂

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  228. on July 28, 2009 at 8:27 pm Willard Libby

    Feministx.blogspot.com

    …I did not get the impression that Conor expressed such a belief out of a need to conform to a socially correct view. He seems to act out of his own internal ethics. He knows negs work.

    But they don’t always work. And why is a man teasing a woman unethical but a woman teasing a man in her feminine way acceptable?

    But he finds it sad that they work and does not stoop to using them.

    He doesn’t “stoop” to being playfully teasing with a woman to see what she’s made of and how she comes back at him? How White and wonderful of him to be above all that.

    What else is he against – kissing a woman’s neck and shoulders while holding her from behind?

    Rubbing a woman’s labia and clitoris and curling his fingers inside her to arouse her g-spot?

    Why not come out of the closet and be against heterosexuality altogether.

    Thus they both are independent observers of human nature who hold their own views, not society’s views.

    Roissy is an exaggerator, Conor is a pussy.

    Roissy believes genetics uber alles.

    Obviously he doesn’t believe that or he wouldn’t discuss the tactics and strategies of Game. It’s not enough for a man to sit back and expect the genes on his Y chromosome to do all the work.

    So do I, for the most part. But I don’t care that Conor probably doesn’t.

    That’s because you are a ditz. You are a scatter brain female who likes to play with the ideas of HBS/sociobiology/Game without really knowing what the fuck you are talking about.

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  229. chic noir–

    try to be fair just and empathize with the plights of other people, but I find that most people are not the same.

    So do I.

    I’ve just realized that feminism has gone so far in many areas that it’s high time we men get exercised about it. And attack the worst. I like having a hard edge to me chic noir. And a soft core.

    Feminists certainly have and do.

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  230. Chic-

    You already answered.

    Besides, I’m already angry.

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  231. “i am happy to live in scandinavia”

    This explains things. See guys, in the Scandinavian countries, the governments ensure that women “achieve” by cutting down on what men can achieve.

    There is a requirement that 40% of a board of directors of a company must be female, so women who otherwise couldn’t get to the top because they won’t put in the hours nor do the work get to the top of the heap.

    Girl got knocked up? You get handicapped because you are forced to take the full paternal time out instead of busting your ass to make sure you have enough money for the family.

    Speaking of family, income taxes are all individualized and “progressive”, thus two $40,000 incomes will probably net more than a man making $100,000 for the household while his wife takes care of the kids.

    Avela actually thinks that the dystopia in Vonnegut’s Harrison Bergeron is an aim to be achieved.

    Funny how she says both that “men should be sensitive and understanding” and “i don’t want a man at all!” So, men are supposed to be that way and it repulses her…

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  232. a.j. travis

    *looks sweetly at AJ*

    please I don’t want to feel the warth of your temper. it’s not my fault and most women don’t. some women don’t “o” either way.

    Willard libby Rubbing a woman’s labia and clitoris and curling his fingers inside her to arouse her g-spot?

    😯
    DEAD FAINT

    But they don’t always work. And why is a man teasing a woman unethical but a woman teasing a man in her feminine way acceptable?

    The problem with negs is everyone(outside of pua) thinks they are always mean spirited; even I have to pull myself back from that sort of thinking. Sometimes negs are just witty banter if a person isn’t too sensitive.

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  233. @willard but because it was irrational, inaccurate and based on projections by wounded males who have issues with other women.

    you weren’t the only male who noticed that but you were one of the few who actually posted something in her defense.

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  234. on July 28, 2009 at 8:51 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir

    The problem with negs is everyone(outside of pua) thinks they are always mean spirited; even I have to pull myself back from that sort of thinking. Sometimes negs are just witty banter if a person isn’t too sensitive.

    And if some goofy creep is going to do a neg the wrong way he will freeze up a woman quicker than he could possibly imagine.

    He will have eliminated his own uncoordinated presence from the field of competition.

    To hell with him. Women don’t need to be protected from those kinds of guys, women need to be grateful that those guys are upfront about how unappealing they are without putting up a false good guy front.

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  235. Random points:

    – Conor looks like a puppydog who wants to be petted.

    – Speaking of girl-advice from women, this tops every piece of advice ever given given to me by well-meaning females in my naive boy days: “bring her a huge bouquet of flowers when you pick her up. And one for her mom too.” I didn’t.

    – At around puberty, an auntie type lectures me sweetly on how “when one day you sleep with a girl, make sure the next day to…” My old man interjects from another room: “…find out her name.”

    – Agreed on Doug about Chic. Plus she’s cute when she’s angry.

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  236. @WillardLibby:

    The AMERICAN revolution, douchewad.

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  237. on July 28, 2009 at 8:54 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir

    you weren’t the only male who noticed that but you were one of the few who actually posted something in her defense.

    That’s because despite my image I’m just such a goddamn wonderful kinda guy.

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  238. on July 28, 2009 at 8:56 pm Comment_Whatever

    I think people are missing the reason why people like Freidersdorf are so silly when they try to ‘reason’ with people.

    The left… and the right in America(which is so far to the left of anything a hundred years ago that it might as well be Left) doesn’t reason.

    It nicely asks you to do something. And if you don’t it fines you 500 dollars a day. Or throws you in jail. Or makes you lose your job.

    Thus it doesn’t particularly matter whether they are capable of making sense. They are the language of power. The iron fist in the bloody glove.

    Does any sucker want to tell me ‘America isn’t really like that’? I have my giggles statistic all lined up.

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  239. just to get back to the anti-male TV stuff for a sec:

    whiskey, you really are an idiot.

    “Yeah, Deadwood is gay/female. It would not seem like it, gunfighters and such, but if you read what the creator, Milch had to say about it, he basically said it’s a study in male corruption and life outside law, required by economic interests. Very anti-male.”

    sure. The fucking show is about MEN, taking land from the dirt-worshipping Indians, killing each other and trying to kill each other as to who will ultimately be in control. it’s the ultimate fucking “alpha” show, you dimwit. its lead characters are Swearengen, who gives monologues while a whore sucks him off; Bullock, a badass who fucks the hottest woman in the town while laying down the law, and Hearst, who basically comes into town and pisses all over it. Jesus–what more do you want? but sure, stick to your insane paranoia about how women are ruining everything under the sun, and ignore the fact that NO WOMEN watch Deadwood.

    and the Sopranos too? really? I used to go to working-class bars in Jersey City all the time–those guys fucking LOVED Tony. Tony Soprano was their hero. Fat, ruthless, fucked 23-year-old girls all over the place, came out pretty much on top. But i”m sure you’ve got some bullshit explanation about how it’s really a “beta” show.

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  240. Willard said:

    “That’s because despite my image I’m just such a goddamn wonderful kinda guy.”

    That’s right ladies. Underneath the fat, old exterior is a man who will kiss your feet and bring you flowers on the first date.

    What ladies? Afraid an older man might reject you? Go for it, he’s got a bad hip anyway! It’s not like he can run away…

    (Oh goodness, I’m going to hell).

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  241. on July 28, 2009 at 9:01 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD

    @WillardLibby:

    The AMERICAN revolution, douchewad.

    “douchewad”?

    Is that anything like “cuntrag”?

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  242. @ Seeking Alpha, I couldn’t agree more with the words from doug1 who says…

    “You finace is likely to naturally respect your male authority a lot less after marriage or deep into it when she realizes how much financial power she has over you…”

    But for me, I wouldn’t ascribe it to her realizing she has financial power. Rather, it’s simply the nature of all women to continually test your authority and status as a means of evaluating you. These tests get more complex as your marriage progresses, as you go through life’s up and downs; they are custom-tailored to your own unique patterns of communication.

    What you want to avoid is the condition where your woman realizes she’ll have court-enforced financial security AND financial security is the only benefit she’s getting from the relationship–i.e., she loses attraction for you.

    You want to live your life as a man such that financial security is only a small part of her marriage benefit. I’m talking about your continual display of LTR game, of remaining a bit of a mystery, of refusing to become beta-ised. There’s no way to test this statistically, but I suspect that women initiate divorce not when they realize they’ll continue financial security per se, but when they realize the man they once fell head-over-heels for is no longer alpha; once they’ve succeeded in making him beta.

    Seeking Alpha, amidst the footrubs and home-cooked meals, your sweet little snowflake with the hot bod will also test you, flip your buttons, push you to the edge. How you react is everything. Your ability to maintain frame decides it. Maybe I’m an old fashioned optimist, but if you can do this, I see no reason why you can’t enjoy the meals, footrubs, and hot, hot sex for many, many years.

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  243. PA Agreed on Doug about Chic. Plus she’s cute when she’s angry.

    soooo you were trying to make me bring fire huh?

    willard That’s because despite my image I’m just such a goddamn wonderful kinda guy.

    when not flaming you have made a number of good points.

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  244. z.g. – thank you for that play-by-play recap of a woman’s advice on dating. It just reinforces everything I’m learning studying game, and it fit perfectly into Roissy’s post.

    And Roissy – thanks for this blog man. It has opened my eyes.

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  245. on July 28, 2009 at 9:22 pm The Older Man

    “Conor looks like a puppydog who wants to be petted.”

    Or a prisioner who just put up some curtains for his new cell mate ?

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  246. Is chic noir in here? I knew I smelled fish.

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  247. PA

    – At around puberty, an auntie type lectures me sweetly on how “when one day you sleep with a girl, make sure the next day to…” My old man interjects from another room: “…find out her name.”

    Priceless.

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  248. sure. The fucking show is about MEN, taking land from the dirt-worshipping Indians, killing each other and trying to kill each other as to who will ultimately be in control. it’s the ultimate fucking “alpha” show, you dimwit. its lead characters are Swearengen, who gives monologues while a whore sucks him off; Bullock, a badass who fucks the hottest woman in the town while laying down the law, and Hearst, who basically comes into town and pisses all over it. Jesus–what more do you want? but sure, stick to your insane paranoia about how women are ruining everything under the sun, and ignore the fact that NO WOMEN watch Deadwood.

    and the Sopranos too? really? I used to go to working-class bars in Jersey City all the time–those guys fucking LOVED Tony. Tony Soprano was their hero. Fat, ruthless, fucked 23-year-old girls all over the place, came out pretty much on top. But i”m sure you’ve got some bullshit explanation about how it’s really a “beta” show.

    Here’s the beauty of whiskey. Shows about badass men doing alpha shit like killing, fighting for power, fucking prostitutes and pumping and dumping pretty young chicks and drinking like fish is beta, made for women and gay gay gay, even though men love them to death.

    But Chuck on NBC (Nothing But Chicks), with some slacker hipster beta dweeb? That’s the most male show out there. No, no homos or chicks are in that audience at all. They’re too busy watching Sopranos and Deadwood.

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  249. @lurker- you’re safe*evil laugh* for now. 😈

    @joe- i think whiskey sees a bit of himself in chuck, the lead. that may explain his obsession with the show.

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  250. on July 28, 2009 at 9:46 pm The Older Man

    In the Victorian era, a woman couldn’t own her own property by law, which meant that if she didn’t get married, she would either grow old as someone’s house guest or be out on the street.

    And it will be much much worse in the Post-feminist era.

    From 2020 onwards there will be an enourmous amount of women growing old “out on the street”.

    Why would any man look after you in your old age if you are not special?

    Women dont want to be cherished and adored and special when their young (because its a sign of weakness in the man) and hence wont be looked after when they are old??

    If you give it away to bad boys and crap on Betas from age 15 to 45 who is going to look after you when you are old, cannot work, have no savings and have notpaid for the roof over your head ???

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  251. on July 28, 2009 at 9:47 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Your ability to maintain frame decides it.

    Excellent point MNL.

    This is the key.

    A lot of people will frequently look at strategies and tactics referred to in “game” lit and draw mistaken conclusions or think they understand it. (like this Conor douche)

    No, you cannot break down “game” into a simplistic explanation such as “run asshole game and you’ll get the pussy.” Or never be a “nice” guy…just be a jerk and you’ll get laid.

    No…what you need to focus on, WHATEVER you do, is to maintain frame.

    Whether you do nice things for your woman or you act like a jerk, neither will kill her attraction for you in and of itself.

    Just make sure that whatever you do, you do not do it in a beta, supplicating manner.

    You want to boil down “game” into one phrase, it’s DON’T BE BETA. Don’t put her on the pedestal. Adopt the mentality that you are atop her pedestal, and act accordingly.

    Example:

    Honey, would you like me to give you a massage? I know you’re sore form your hard day! Let me make you feel better…

    That would be a typical offer praised to the high heavens by 99% of all women hearing about such a question. Hearing such a story will elicit “wow, that’s so SWEET! Your so lucky to have such a great husband!”

    But in reality…that’s beta.

    It’s begging and pleading to please your wife. In essence, you’re asking her permission to do her a favor.

    Half the time, she’ll flat out turn the offer down, even if she DOES want a massage in the worst way…because as sore as her muscles are, embedded deep in her id is the contempt for the very idea of a beta putting his hands on her naked body.

    Doing the same thing, but in a non-Beta manner – cocky/arrogant style – “Get over here and take your clothes off, I’m tired of hearing you groan about your sore muscles.”

    or going for the subtle expression of having higher social status… “Well than you better thank your lucky stars you married an expert masseuse…”

    In either case, you’ve done the “nice husband thing.” But the frame you keep to do the “nice” thing is what is truly going to either maintain her attraction for you or kill it.

    Doing something beta during a pickup? You can eject, and start all over again on your next approach.

    Acting beta when married? You are starting the long, slow march towards divorce court hell…

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  252. on July 28, 2009 at 9:49 pm D. Ray Morton

    @ avela “last friday, i was on the bus home… and a man smiled at me!”

    Uh-oh.

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  253. MNL

    I don’t at all disagree with your LTR game advice.

    However, you’re a fool, and Seeking Alpha is a fool, if you believe that power doesn’t matter.

    Money is power.

    Feminists sought to transfer a lot of frequent male financial power in marriage to women, or at best equal.

    Any man who allows any more diminution of his power that he can consistent with other goals (like having kids) is a fool.

    Men are more generous than women and fairer. Particularly upper middle class and above men are.

    Toughest prenup possible is my advice. which specifically allows one way male playing after x years with rules and her veto power but not against everything. Which specifically punishes female cheating as much as possible. I.e. takes away any softening she’s managed to negotiate. She doesn’t want to marry anyway, then don’t.

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  254. Dave from Hawaii–

    Excellent point MNL.

    It’s a partial point but not the only point.

    You need to emphasize the desirability of men retaining their money power in marriage as much as possible through a prenup.

    You can often be read to pu pu that.

    That’s very injurious to men.

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  255. on July 28, 2009 at 9:56 pm The Older Man

    Pre-nups wont be worth the paper that they are written on…

    In 2020 there will be a 60%-70% income tax on men simply to look after TODAY’s unmarried women who have gotten old.

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  256. on July 28, 2009 at 10:02 pm Dave from Hawaii

    However, you’re a fool, and Seeking Alpha is a fool, if you believe that power doesn’t matter.

    Money is power.

    No disagreement here Doug….but prenup or not, if you resist Beta-izing, you increase the likliehood of never finding out if your prenup will stand up in court or not.

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  257. @Chic

    “From the top of my head I call MU, whiskey, kamal and wilmer,keith.”

    Of course you saved the best for last.;)

    [editor: losers of a feather…]

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  258. Hey, SA, when you say this:

    “But as it is, while I’m smart, up-and-coming, good looking, and very witty and funny around people I’m comfortable with, I’m terribly shy around new people. I have serious approach anxiety.

    I can’t think of a fate worse than the cuckolded, hen-pecked beta husband. But settling down a bit too early to a proper woman who respects my authority (like most of our grandfathers) versus taking my chances in the field perpetually nervous and insecure? On balance I like my choice.”

    it doesn’t sound like you’re negotiating from a position of strength. “Because I’m afraid to be out in the field,” is not a good reason to get married.

    Fear is the mind-killer.

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  259. on July 28, 2009 at 10:20 pm The Older Man

    Yeah get rid of her SA shes annoying me already

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  260. It’s possible that Seeking Alpha could string this girl along for a good number of years before proposing if she were American. And possibly play the field as his sexual market value grows with age. It’s not immoral to cheat on a girlfriend.

    But being that she is from a traditional culture with strong family ties and a very alpha dad, he my not be up to challenging her and her family’s “marriage or goodbye” expectations.

    On the other hand, if starting a family and having kids soon is a very important thing to SA at his current young age, then he’s doing OK by marrying young. Provided, of course, that he takes Doug’s and Dave’s advice very much to heart. And that he is not deluded about her character.

    It bears repeating: NEVER be a beta, especially in marriage.

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  261. Dave from Hawaii – I’ve observed the very thing you describe in a friend of mine who is a natural Alpha. He never asks or begs his wife to do something nice. When he says he’s going to do something for her, it’s a command. You’ll never hear him say “Want me to do the dishes sweetie?”, but he will say “I’m doing the dishes tonight, go sit down and chill the fuck out” said with a tone that implies that she needs to do something, needs to behave better. On one hand he’s helping her with something that’s causing stress, but on the other he’s challenging her to not be so stressed.

    I’ve also noticed that he constantly negs her, teases her, and says things that would make a beta cringe. One night she was studying and he and I were talking in the living room. She stopped and made a comment that she couldn’t concentrate. It wasn’t bitchy, but it was to indicate we were being too loud. He said “Honey, you should have said something. We don’t want to interrupt your studying.” Sounds beta, right? It ended with “We can have this conversation at the local strip club”, said with a shit eating grin.

    His common response to “Why didn’t you answer the phone earlier?” – “I was out with my women” or “I couldn’t get to the phone with the stripper on my lap” or “I didn’t feel like it.”

    One morning she got bitchy with him because we were talking and he was supposed to help her get the house ready for a party later. She asked if he wanted to help and have the party or talk to me all day. He looked at her like she was from Mars and had two heads, and loudly proclaimed “Woman, I want to talk all day, and if the house isn’t good enough for our guests as is, they can fuck off.” She broke into a smile and started laughing and walked away with a “fine”. He did eventually help, but not because of her. She didn’t nag him again. A beta would have begged forgiveness and started helping right away.

    Which reminds me…when irritated he will often start referring to her not by name, but as “woman”. Sounds caveman like, right? I swear it makes her pussy drip.

    Sometimes she will fire back with a “hey, you better watch it” or “you’re going to get it mister”, but you can always, always tell from the tone of her voice that she is not truly mad but is turned on.

    It’s not learned. It’s just who he is. He is always operating from the frame that he is the man, the leader. She is not on a pedestal nor the center of the home, he is. His wife can’t shake him from that frame, and she loves him for it.

    He is the only man I know who has a good marriage. The only one.

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  262. Why all the talk about prenups ? Is the point to stick your hand as close to the fire as possible and not get burned?

    Prenups vary by state in regards to if they will be held up regularly like in CA or thrown out often like in MA. Even when they’re honored you still have to give a certain amount. Why should I give my ex money because the relationship didn’t work out?

    Prenups do not solve the problem of wives withholding sex, constant nagging, shit testing, controlling behavior or porking up when they get the ring.

    Let them live in their own place. No joint checking accounts, health insurance etc. No babies. The second the drama starts, and it will, it’s time to go. No fuss no muss. There is no benefit for a man to sign a marriage contract that he couldn’t otherwise get from an LTR. Why does your girlfriend need a legal contract that disproportionately favors her? Does she want a partner or a hostage?

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  263. on July 28, 2009 at 10:52 pm Dave from Hawaii

    DT – That’s exactly how I started acting when I came to the realization that I had “beta-ised” in my marriage. She responded just as your friend’s wife does.

    At first, it blew my mind. It “felt” wrong…I felt like I was being the neanderthal misogynist that society had programmed me was the worst possible kind of man you can become.

    Now, I don’t even think about it.

    I’ve had guys I’ve relayed these experiences to in the MRA/MGTOW blogosphere tell me I was a fool, stupid, that it sounded like I was ‘putting up a front’ and ‘faking’ and ‘being something I am not.’ and that woman are just not worth putting in the effort to “act like an asshole” just to be in a successful LTR.

    In some ways, these guys are simply the mirror image of the man-hating feminists they detest so much.

    They just don’t get it.

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  264. my husband can tell he’s “acting like a an asshole” just right whenever i tell him he’s being a “jerk”. he then makes that “water drip” noise guys know how to make with his cheek and laughs at me. and he’s always right

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  265. Thursday–

    Women like LR and FemX should just be ignored. Really, why bother?

    No.

    That doesn’t work.

    To the aggressively persuasive go the spoils.

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  266. Erik

    Let them live in their own place. No joint checking accounts, health insurance etc. No babies. The second the drama starts, and it will, it’s time to go. No fuss no muss. There is no benefit for a man to sign a marriage contract that he couldn’t otherwise get from an LTR. Why does your girlfriend need a legal contract that disproportionately favors her? Does she want a partner or a hostage?

    That’s been my solution. To live together at most.

    I insist on prenups, at least, for marriage determined men.

    Though you have to realize that if you have kids in a LTR, feminsts have you screwed also. with their child support=alimony passed under the “dead beat dads” slogan during the early 90s.

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  267. seeking alpha and anyone else interested in prenups:

    jewish marriage has ALWAYS been a contractual affair. the marriage contract is called a ketubah and specifies husbandly and wifely duties and damages to the woman spelled out up front in the case of divorcement by the male. divorce was always a noncontroversial option in judaism–also accomplished by the presentation of a document–the “get” or writ of divorcement.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketubah

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  268. “Prenups do not solve the problem of wives withholding sex, constant nagging, shit testing, controlling behavior or porking up when they get the ring.”

    under a properly constituted regime of “covenant marriage” (the one i devised) a man would be able to spell out those things up front in the marriage contract as “faults” upon which he could end the marriage without consequence other than the prenuptially agreed upon divorce settlement

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  269. @dana:

    “my husband can tell he’s “acting like a an asshole” just right whenever i tell him he’s being a “jerk”. he then makes that “water drip” noise guys know how to make with his cheek and laughs at me. and he’s always right”

    Whenever I tell my boyfriend he’s being a “jerk,” he treats it like a way of keeping score. “Oh wow, four times! I’m on a roll!”

    If I ever say,”I hate you,” he’ll respond with,”No you don’t.”

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  270. jerk=fuck me

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  271. @Mandy:

    Yes, I’ve definitely gotten the “No, you don’t” response to “I hate you” many a time. And it’s usually pretty effective in involuntarily making me smirk.

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  272. @S:

    Because it’s true.
    If it makes you smile, or laugh like crazy, even though it *shouldn’t* it’s because it’s true.

    @Dana:

    Oooooooh.

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  273. i hate you = my body is responding to you being a total jerk and i can’t stand the truth of it

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  274. on July 29, 2009 at 12:03 am unlearning genius

    Nobody who has any experience with women ever puts them on a pedestal. They are regarded as special (which they are man). They are teased, played with and occasionally lied to. some illusions and white lies are maintained, boundaries and respect are maintained. Cheating is never tolerated. shit tests are ignored and so on and so forth till you die. This should be second nature to anyone who has dated a few women. Guys, do all this chicanery with SUBTLETY and finesse. Do not bumble with basic stuff like NEG (turning it into humiliation instead) and/or amp the macho stuff so much as to become stone cold (as opposed to showing some human harmless vulnerability occasionally) or admitting the truth about your sexual needs (don’t talk about the hooker or the side girl, if caught, pretend it is no big deal) .

    Women do not consciously understand that we have to do all this to remain sexually attractive. do you really understand what the woman does to look hot or would you care to know the details? When you discuss all this in the open in excruciating detail, it comes across as shady. The NEG is quite tricky, a psycho sexual manuovre meant to evoke feelings of social dominance. If you are a bum on the street a NEG willnot get you laid, it will get you a second’s attention. NEGs only work when the woman has chosen to grant you an audition. The correct sequence really is

    GUY is seen by woman and is judged as a possible mate
    V
    woman probably gives eyecode signals or other noverbal signals to attract male
    V
    Male performs mate quality assesment, chooses action or rejection for short term mating (sometimes foolishly the male already is thinking resource commitment)
    V
    Male opens with a move
    V
    Woman begins a sequence of mate value estimation
    in the range

    High quality | provider | contingency provider (LJBF)

    V
    Woman decides to mate with the man if in the right category ( the higher the earlier)
    V
    man begins to estimate mate’s long term value
    V
    Either/both parties keep looking for alternatives if their long term criteria have not been met

    If the woman has rejected you outright then you have a sharp uphill battle with her. You will likely be in the contingency provider category from the get go. NEGs are the shock and awe system of persuading the woman to change her initial bayesian inference.

    Seeing that the NEG is all this, I cannot understand what the fuss is all about (UNLESS it is by a guy who has already been signalled to go take a hike). So the woman has a right to maintain a stable of lovers and gawkers, but the man has to apologize for wanting the same? Face it women, you are not special not a unique snowflae, you are the same decaying organic matter .. the same rule holds for you as well .. if something better comes along, i walk and so will you .. it is all fair ..

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  275. Dave from Hawaii – I’ve had guys I’ve relayed these experiences to in the MRA/MGTOW blogosphere tell me I was a fool, stupid, that it sounded like I was ‘putting up a front’ and ‘faking’ and ‘being something I am not.’ and that woman are just not worth putting in the effort to “act like an asshole” just to be in a successful LTR.

    The thing I’ve come to realize is that my friend is not acting like an asshole. He’s being a man. Firm, steady, in control, the leader. I never see him and his wife have real fights, the screaming and cursing kind that would send their kids into hiding. Never. And I never see him act in a truly mean way to his wife. He loves her. But he demands her respect and submission in a dozen little ways every day.

    I’ve also come to realize that we say women go for assholes because assholes tend to be the ones to ignore feminized social norms and act like they have a pair. If more men were raised to be men, more women would find men that satisfied their cravings yet treated them well, and the “women go for assholes” line wouldn’t carry much weight. Women create their own hell of beta boys and asshole Alphas with modern feminism.

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  276. dana – i hate you = my body is responding to you being a total jerk and i can’t stand the truth of it

    Best definition of a woman telling a man “I hate you” and “You’re a jerk” that I’ve ever read.

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  277. lovelysexybeauty,

    (I recommend you get a less egotistical handle).

    ALL people need pre-nups. Indians just as much as anyone else.

    Indians of your father’s generation have an extremely incomplete understanding of human sexuality and male-female dynamics. Remember, that in his generation, people got married off of 2 meetings, if the resume and looks were acceptable. It really was a ‘job interview’ marraige.

    His hostility to a pre-nup shows that he merely does not understand what a pre-nup is. Also, Indians have a high divorce rate in Anglosphere countries, because these countries (UK, US, Canada) give women an INCENTIVE to divorce.

    Indians do NOT, I repeat DO NOT have any higher morality than anyone else. The lower promiscuity of Indian women is balanced by a much higher bloodlust for a man’s money. If your dad disagrees, I will chew him out until he is brought to tears,

    IF YOU HAVE A BROTHER, make sure he gets a pre-nup!!! Don’t let your parents prevent your brother from saving his live, because they live in the World of Indian Denial (WID). Save his life, if you have a brother…

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  278. It makes my day to learn, for the first time, that a faggot like Andrew Sullivan hates Game.

    I disliked Andrew Sullivan before, for other reasons. But now I dislike him much more, and am gald to see the faggot disapprove of Game.

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  279. Game is so brilliant. It is easily the most impressive body of research and knowledge I have ever come across.

    First of all, the realization that men who understand how women think thus know MUCH more about women than women themselves know.

    Women are extremely poor predictors of their own behavior. That is the kicker.

    And the neg is the best part of Game. I consider the neg to be where my Game is strongest. I am a neg specialist, as the whole concept just worked so well for me.

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  280. on July 29, 2009 at 12:44 am Backdoor Man

    @DT and Dave From Hawaii

    “The thing I’ve come to realize is that my friend is not acting like an asshole. He’s being a man. Firm, steady, in control, the leader. I never see him and his wife have real fights, the screaming and cursing kind that would send their kids into hiding. Never. And I never see him act in a truly mean way to his wife. He loves her. But he demands her respect and submission in a dozen little ways every day.”

    You should come to my house some day, because people who do see the exact same thing. Actually, what you are describing is eerily like my situation…I also call her “woman” and tell her that I’m home late because I was with another woman. She’s happy and I’m happy.

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  281. Remember, gentlemen, the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance (described in detail elsewhere by me) :

    1) More and More Research into Game (i.e. it is getting easier to learn, and more efficient)
    2) Islam spreading into the West, putting it on an inevitable collision course with feminism and faggotism.
    3) Sex technologies, whether software (3-D/holographic VR) or hardware (sexbots). Most men would choose to spend their time with an artificial 10 over a real 7, destroying the market value of all women 8 and below.

    Real 10 > Artificial 10 > Real 7 or less (i.e. 80% of young women, and 99% of women over 35).

    4) Rising crime against single women by disenfranchised men.

    All 4 factors hurt feminist women who don’t marry at a reasonable age. 2 of the 4 are directly beneficial to men.

    All 4 will combine into the mother of all corrections by 2020. The current feminist utopia is a bubble, just like investments have bubbles. It will correct sharply in a decade, count on it.

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  282. One of the problems in America is that women de-Christianized earlier than men did. Thus, you have women celebrating promiscuity and cougarhood, while far too many men still believe that ‘marriage is sacred’ and ‘women are to be treated with respect’.

    I predict a lot of good Christian men will be incredibly, violently angry when enough of them are betrayed.

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  283. I keep thinking about a male relative of mine. Looking back, he knew game better than anyone I have ever known personally. He knew not asshole game . He was an upfront straight-forward guy.
    He was a PT boat squadron commander in the Med. Sea is WW2. He won a lot of medals from the USN, The Brits, and even the French. He had a lot of the “Nelson Touch”- that involved making sudden charges on bigger more dangerous ships at pistol shot range and prevailing.. After he got his British DSC he was well known. The Navy Cross put him into rarified company.
    And he had curly hair. Women all loved him on the Italian Rivereia. The Newspapers called him “The Count”. Because he was banging a comtesse back on shore.
    He ended up a reserve Admiral. Kept his curly hair, made cosmic amounts of money, had one wife, more or less, but she was a beautiful sex crazed red -head. Amen
    And all of the rest of the women all loved him. He could gently tease right out of their pants.
    But he recently died in his late 80s.
    He is now in Vahalla. So, If I earn my place there I will ask him about a lot of things regarding game. I know he will answer me there but most of you cannot hear it,
    God still hates PC white people. and is trying to work out your extinctuon.

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  284. Women like LR and FemX should just be ignored. Really, why bother?

    absolutely agree. this chic seems to be the ultimate attention whore. it would take a lot to get me to respond to this chic or leave a comment on her blog.

    Keep in mind that looks-wise, Feministx is just a 5. She does not have the options available to her that support the tone she takes.

    largely agree. at the end of the day, this is a 6/10 chic who’s 26yo. seriously, wtf?! she’ll be sexually irrelevant in short order. guys who fuck her are likely not going to stick around for too long- either they figure out she’s just an aging 6, or they figure out she has a man hating persona. but, she gets to ‘brag’ about another ‘notch on the bedpost’ and act like she’s done something impressive.

    why the hell do some women think it’s impressive for them to get laid?

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  285. tood:

    Remember, gentlemen, the Four Horsemen of Male Vengeance (described in detail elsewhere by me)

    you need to add a fifth marker, 5) biotechnological advances that will ‘level the playing field.’ skin color, hair color, eye color, height and finally iq an facial morphology will be able to be manipulated.

    once this series of events occurs to full fruition, the result will be more guys or girls looking tall, modelesque versions of einstein/marie pasteur. there’ll be less competition for scarce hot poon among guys. more guy-guy cooperation. less angst about not getting ‘the one’ since so many chicks will be extremely attractive. if you lose out on one hot chick, just wait 30 seconds for another one to pass by. the ramifications of genetic engineering will be immense.

    i realize some might look at this as unrealistic. however, we already know the genetic loci for skin color, hair color and eye color. the rest is being learned rapidly. secondly, this is about as realistic as some of the other criteria on tood’s list.

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  286. why the hell do some women think it’s impressive for them to get laid?

    Because when Indian women are exposed to the West, they become very gender AND culture confused. They want to run at full speed away from Indian culture which they consider oppressive to women (which it partly is, but is also more sustainable, societally, than SWPL feminism), and thus quickly go to the other extreme, thinking that is normal.

    Keep in mind, also, that their understanding of the West is from TV shows, rather than actual interaction with Westerners.

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  287. secondly, this is about as realistic as some of the other criteria on tood’s list.

    Wha?? How is violent crime against women, and Game unrealistic?

    Sex technologies are already pretty far along. Go research project Natal from Microsoft.

    Islam : We only need Islamic infiltration into the judicial system to change many things. In Britain, non-Muslims are already going to Muslim courts for….(surprise) divorce. Yet, only 4% of Britain is Muslim.

    This is NOT a conversion of even 2% of America to Islam. But it IS a clash between Islamic and feminist pressure groups, which feminists will lose.

    Remaking the genes of people who are already adults is NOT realistic.

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  288. tood:

    secondly, this is about as realistic as some of the other criteria on tood’s list.

    no man, you misunderstood me. i think your list is realistic. i’ve just seen some comments on this board by some about the future scientific marvels that will come as ‘pie in the sky’ dreaming. those of us who have exposure to the science realize these ideas will come to pass- probably earlier rather than later in this century.

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  289. tood:

    Remaking the genes of people who are already adults is NOT realistic.

    read up on the science a little more. i don’t say this as an insult, btw. when i speak of biotech eugenics, it may never in the foreseeable future be offered to adults. i speak more to its implications at the zygotic/pre- zygotic level. the ramifications will still be potent- albeit less rapid since we can’t easily remake adults.

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  290. I could see why women would be attracted to someone like Conor. Like her or not, femX has a point. Women are attracted to men that have a pair of balls. Why is this so hard to see? Almost every alpha of any field, no matter how weird or out of the ordinary, has women that are attracted to him simply because he has the balls to stand up for what he believes in. He is in a position of authority. Period.

    As for the comment about what I said about negs, the answer is simple: women will just start doing further screening. Being able to buy women drinks is a sign of financial resources, and women are attracted to financial resources, yet women don’t automatically fall into the laps of men who buy them drinks. So what did women do once buying a woman a drink became too popular? They started screening further, and started using other means to judge a mans value. What do you think happens when a woman is constantly around jocks built like an Adonis? Yes, she may be attracted to the body of an Adonis, but once she is overexposed to it, she starts using other means to judge a mans value.

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  291. Yes, some are pie in the sky. For example, xsplat glibly says that everyone will be able to remake their own genes.

    In 50 years, maybe, but I still say unlikely.

    But sex technologies are for real, mainly because they aren’t that hard to invent. The transition from VHS casette porn to Internet porn itself is a jump, as it is easy to search for exactly what you want, which the VHS casette rented from a store did not allow. Interactive video games that look real, and are porn-themed will be another big jump.

    If World of Warcraft has 10 million Omegas addicted to it, then porn Games will be a lot more addictive, which means fewer men will bother to jump through hoops for women. Even 20% of men disengaging like this screws up ALL women, as now 100 women are competing for 80 husbands.

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  292. As for the comment about what I said about negs, the answer is simple: women will just start doing further screening.

    The assumption here is that a sizable minority of men actually become adept in Game.

    I say that we are nowhere near even 5% of men being regular practitioners of Game. Hence, the neg does not lose value. A good neg is not even noticed as being such.

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  293. Peter:

    I wouldn’t be quite so quick to dismiss dating advice from gay guys. They often have a good idea of what goes on in women’s minds.

    I strongly disagree. They live in a completely different world from heterosexual men, and I’d say that on average, they’re clueless about the important non-obvious truths of men-women dynamics.

    A good example is the sex advice columnist Dan Savage. I’ve read a lot of his columns, since they’re syndicated in a free local paper where I live, and many times I’ve been struck by the sheer cluelessness of the relationship advice he gives to heterosexual readers. He seems to be severely ignorant and delusional about anything beyond his experiences in the gay milieu — and he’s supposed to be an “expert.” From what I’ve heard from women about the advice they get from their gay friends, I can only conclude that the average “non-expert” ones are even worse.

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  294. assanova:

    “Women are attracted to men that have a pair of balls.”

    this is the part of fem’s posts from earlier i didn’t understand. in what way does conor show that he “has balls”? he comments about a behavior that is unpopular with 75% of the male population and 90% of the female population. he’s hardly pushing the envelope here.

    not trying to be contrary here, but explain to me how he has balls by ragging on the neg? it takes balls to speak out against widely accepted practices of male bar behavior.

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  295. I’m going to vouch for what Vlad is saying. My gay male friends have only ever given completely out of touch advice on my heterosexual relationships. The dynamic between two gay male men is altogether different, and generally tends to be more practical-minded. And sexual.

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  296. BK, about your natural friend…

    One of the best naturals I know (a guy who can turn just about any party into an orgy in an hour or two) also had a mother who committed suicide. I don’t have all of the details, but it appears to have been the typical Israeli female pattern of having a few kids, and then becoming overly feministic, controlling and obsessive. The unusual part was that dad had enough of that, kicked her to the curb, and ultimately replaced her with someone who was more intelligent, with better business sense, but not a harpy, and won custody of the kids.

    The mom became even more obsessive, and called 100+ times a day for a couple of years until she finally killed herself.

    A natural coming out of this kind of environment probably has two reasons for his talent: genetics and example.

    Suicidal people are sometimes overly invested in society or under invested in society. If his mother was under invested then he probably grew up sincerely not giving a flying fart what women in general think of him. If she was over invested, he has a powerful example of what not to do. So he fears loss of self more than death. For him, being a pussy who cares more about what other people think than what he thinks of himself smells like death.

    A guy’s mom doesn’t have to off herself to create this kind of guy, but a similar sentiment (being a pussy is a fate worse than death) creates a natural.

    If I had to give a reason for the pussification of western men in a nutshell, I’d say it was the loss of that sentiment in a critical number of men. This is something that is part and parcel of manhood…like a woman feeling the survival of her offspring is more important than her own life.

    Take away the core of manhood and womanhood, and what you have left is barely vermin who don’t even pass for decent primates.

    Nature being as it is, this is one of the reasons I sit back and eat popcorn watching the apocalypse unfold. Those of us who payed enough attention in biology class know what animals are like when the female can’t give enough attention to their offspring partly because the males are not competitive enough to stick around or even keep each other busy enough not to do some serious dirt.

    Humans are not exempt. I’d say most of the problems of non consensual deviance reaching epic proportions today are because of simple things that a well timed “butch up” for a boy or, “mind your attitude,” for a girl could have solved.

    Ah well…I’m glad that Roissy at least notices the squeaking. It’s the warning shot before a disturbing rustling in the nest.

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  297. Joe, it is what it is.

    Sure, Chuck was sort of a frankenstein, with plenty of “beta moments” where Chuck (to total failure I might add) talked about relationships and junk. Meant to appeal to women.

    But Swearingen, or Tony Soprano, no matter how macho their behavior, were pretty “gay” or female. They had no goals. Nothing they wanted to achieve. In Die Hard, McClane wants to save his wife by killing all the bad guys. In Raiders, Indy wants to stop the Nazis from getting and using the Ark. In “Life” Charlie Crews wants to find out who framed him and punish them.

    These are all male-oriented shows. Because it features the male oriented formula:

    Hero + Goal + Action toward that goal = male oriented.

    Vic Mackey, Tony Soprano, and Al Swearingen, were totally female, right out of Sex and the City, because they were only about becoming. Al wanted to become respectable, but never actually did anything to get it. Tony wanted to deal with his feelings (in THERAPY for crying out loud) but never actually does anything to keep his family together or get out of the Mob. Vic Mackey wants to beat bad guys, but is one himself.

    Lack of action towards goals (the most male thing you can think of) is totally girly and gay. Of course it is.

    It doesn’t matter how “action-packed” and sexually explicit and violent the show is. Tru Blood is pretty action packed, sexually explicit and violent, and it’s totally gay. In fact, gay characters fill that show.

    HBO, you might be happy to know, was rated #1 by GLAAD for having 42% of all it’s characters being gay. I’ve got a new post up on that right now.

    I’ll put it straight and simple so you can understand:

    James Bond is male oriented, he spends little or no time on his “feelings” (unlike Al Swearingen, Denis Leary, or Tony Soprano who gaze into their feelings with a girlish love) and has a clear goal that he must surmount obstacles to succeed.

    Jason Bourne is all about feelings and being, he fights people for no reason whatsoever and no real goal. No bad guy to kill, no plot to stop, no friend to avenge. He just is. It’s why Bourne is so female-oriented (and women love the series).

    Sure “Chuck” had plenty of nerdy, beta-male loser moments, the whole series is about a loser beta who slowly becomes a winner Alpha. It was however a far more male-oriented show than the Sopranos (lead character whining about how his mother never loved him to his analyst), particularly with the comedy bits that women hated (like the Three Stooges) but guys loved: the beta and o -m -e -g -a loser comedy of loser retail. Instantly recognizable to anyone who ever worked it.

    Yes of course Chuck is far more manly and masculine than the Sopranos or Deadwood. The lead character had a goal, overcame obstacles, and got it. That’s male-oriented drama since the Odyssey at least.

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  298. I think Feminist-X is partly correct. There are a couple of types of commenters here; some moonlighting from the Steve-o-sphere, others who come here to hone their techniques at Game, some who are actually interested in fleshing out this theory further at historical topics, and then a bunch of others who are here to angst. Some of the foremost and plenty of the latter I have problems with.

    There’s nothing bad about angsting per se. Novaseeker and some of the more well-spoken posters have convinced me that men do in fact have alot of to angst about. In particular, I think the feminization of our political culture is worrying.

    On the other hand, angsting promotes unsupported assertions and whiny bullshit. Some of you never seem to recognize the advantages that women possess. I’d suggest for example, that men are irrationally driven to aggression when it’s unwarranted, in certain contexts. Does the United States need superfluous military bases all over the World? Do we need to interpret every foreign belligerence by petty dictators as immediate threats, as we are apt? I wonder those of you who might have considered that while we might want to extricate the influence of Women on the domestic front, they might do a better job than men do at promoting US interests on the foreign policy/military front. After all, as is noted, women like seeking consensus. And since I believe that the economic dynamics of warfare have changed so that it has unprofitable both parties, making trade and cultural exchange much better strategies — thus I think Women have a better capability to recognize that fact, and better ability to mitigate that cognitive bias.

    I also don’t get the point of bashing women like puerile sophomores. In the maturation of a man one progresses from juvenile “ew, cooties, get away!”, to “those enigmatic creatures…let me figure them out”. Indeed, I love women, flighty, irrational creatures that they can be. There’s something just cute and unmatched about a naturally gushing, feminine girl that no amount of reasoned analysis and skilled jockeying rhetoric amongst men could replace. Men are more rational, more guarded, more conservative, which I ultimately believe is needed in this precarious time – but I certainly would not want to live in a world dictated by man’s rule alone.

    Moreover the behaviors we’re discussing aren’t static. Like I told some idiot over at Sailer’s, beta behaviors can sometimes be adaptive. If “beta-tude” were so strongly selected against, why would it be so prevalent today.? There’s a general principle in ecology that two species try to occupy different predatory niches, and I think the same idea would apply to human beings in the mating market. If there’s a bunch of aggressive males threatening the fair lass, it’s OK to White Knight! Different types of men can be “alpha” in their different status hierarchies, and you can better believe that people across different types of professions that can attest to this, “manly” or not. Steve Hsu wrote about the logarithmic scale that elite physicists used to rank themselves – how utterly harsh, contemptuous, unforgiving, is that? Think – Harold Bloom has written sophistic literary criticism designed to emasculate the old tradition of the humanities, but how many of his female graduate students has he fucked? Woody Allen? John Edwards?

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  299. The above could very well be disingenuous though. I have just defended Feminist-X from an enraged gaggle trying to harass her from a civilly argued position. Even if she reads this, if I’ve properly performed it right, I’ve engaged those primal circuits and now she’s all too willing to gift my proper recompense. Hit me up on the low for the digits, Femi.

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  300. Sorry, the previous post should read “…gift [me] my…”

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  301. Follow-up: a lot of guys look to popular culture as role models or how-tos for women, since there is basically (and criminally) no guidance on the subject elsewhere.

    “Chuck” is not that bad from a PUA standpoint, the character only wins when he DHV, by doing, not talking, and uses what he has instead of emphasizing what he doesn’t (the ability to match either his intended girlfriend or his rival in dealing violence). He carefully studies the girl and takes detailed notes on her and various connections. When he stops caring about her and simply does things, he wins her.

    [It’s interesting to note that the female lead is portrayed as a bitchy professional, with a spotty family history, cold, stand-offish demeanor, and not much going for her besides being hot.]

    But what’s most valuable about “Chuck” is a clear demonstration of what does not work (and his spectacular failures in employing beta strategies): getting into LJBF zone, talking about stuff particularly feelings (shown to be hilariously bad), not emphasizing the strong suits, failure to DHV, and so on along with what does (interest from other women).

    James Bond is a good illustration of what does work, but often guys need concrete examples of why stuff that is in their comfort zone just does not work. “Chuck” shows that in beta-spades.

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  302. Billaire, that’s the stupidest statement I’ve ever read on the internet. Which is saying something.

    The huge jump-start in wars and various insurgencies and terrorist movements suggest you’re completely idiotic on the idea that men are too “aggressive” (i.e. magina White Knighting) and women bring peace to the world by not spending on military stuff.

    On the contrary, weakness invites aggression. Putin said it best in an address to Russians after Beslan. The weak get beaten and we were weak. After leveling Grozny, and killing half of Chechnya, voila, no more Beslans.

    In fact, technology makes aggressive, pseudo-wars even more common. For example, the constant, non-stop terror attacks launched by Pakistan’s ISI against India, secure in their nuclear umbrella. Examples include terrorist takeovers of the Parliament (hundreds dead, including MPs), various bombings, and the infamous Bombay Raid. Add to that the desire of nearly every exiled troublesome Muslim leader to emulate Mohammed and generate an exile Army by attacking the infidel, and you have a recipe for disaster. Particularly since nuclear proliferation in weak, tribal-based regimes and lack of credible deterrence at the tribal level, means some tribal leader can exert his influence to transfer nukes to various exile leaders like Mullah Omar or Zarqawi, or Bin Laden if he’s alive, for striking at the US. Secure in the knowledge that no significant damage will befall him and his people. Nukes are the great equalizer, giving power to whoever is the most aggressive and feared. Not the most feminine and “nice.”

    Belmont Club has a piece up on the growing piracy problem in Somalia, financed by international crime syndicates, predicated on taking Westerners hostage and seizing cargos. This won’t be solved by female power of sitting around talking about feelings.

    Neither will the growing ballistic missile threat from new powers like Iran, North Korea, or Pakistan, all deeply hostile, unconvinced of any realistic US retribution, and deeply factionalized and unpredictable. Talking to them with female leaders like Hillary Clinton got only insults and derision. Iran for example wants to put nuclear missiles in Venezeula aimed at the US (and Obama being Muslim is fine with that).

    Its a bad, mad, dangerous world. Filled with new nuclear powers every year. Most of them insanely hostile to the US, and with no “deal” to be made. The only proven way to provide security is to have a huge military that’s able and willing, with demonstrations, to crush any attacker, while maintaining a way out for those who wish to avoid confrontation.

    This means male leadership. Not White Knight, Mangina type feminism at it’s most stupid.

    [Matriarchies are incredibly violent. With no male check on other men, they run wild, in packs, doing what they want. See West Africa, the Black US Ghetto, the US Barrio, and Chav Britain. Female oriented societies tend to end up surrendering like WWII France (where most Frenchwomen staged their own unconditional surrender to the Germans) or “Peace in Our Time” stupidity.]

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  303. Billare, betatude is prevalent even though it is selected against, because of upbringing and social programming. It’s nurture, not nature, that is doing it.

    This is why men are now trying to break the chains. If you count all of the functioning natural alphas, all of the thugs, all of the sort of soft but professional leadership oriented guys, overlapping with all guys on both sides of the PUA debates, plus all the guys who are putting any effort at all into getting laid, there you have the proportion of men on the true male side of the gender spectrum. If you throw your hat in to compete in the arena at all, you’d have probably passed some ancient rite of passage that used to separate the boys from the men…and if you didn’t, you’d go and die in the evil forest with some dignity or something.

    Betatude in the general sense, is a fact of not being a politician or the patriarch of a large family or militia or whatever large group. Betatude on an individual level is something unnatural for the vast majority of men. It is happening because the can of worms was opened with sexual socialism, which is as old as civilization.

    Humans are tribal, not national in nature. When you make a nation, you’re basically attempting to manage a very large tribe. In order to do this, the leaders have to develop a culture that can sustain the giant tribe.

    The powers that be, in the west, have decided that things would be more manageable if they created a situation in which men were docile and willing to allow the state and society to take on the burden of telling their kids how to behave and what they should have.

    Women are going to naturally and automatically opt for whatever keeps their offspring safe and alive. We don’t usually think in terms of fates worse than death or starvation and the like, because we just want our babies to live and make grandbabies forever and ever.

    So men have to think in terms of freedom and the price of it. They have to be willing to stand up and do what needs to be done even though we are going to pull out our hair and beg them not to go. That’s part of being a man…and frankly, if men do that, then there are plenty of us girls who will do our part right next to them because then it’d be a world worth breaking a nail for.

    As it is, things got to be the way they are because neither gender was really doing their job. One side lets the other off the hook, and things spiral into chaos.

    So different people are going to have different perspectives on this, and we’re not all going to agree, but one thing that is a fact: if someone asks a question, it’s because they’re looking for an answer.

    Obviously, being a wuss raised by a television is unnatural to most men today. No matter how much crap the current system has tried to sell to men, it’s not working for them, and they’re pissed off about it. The ones who aren’t pissed off at least notice something is missing.

    So here we are.

    …and some women notice too.

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  304. I find it frankly disturbing how some of you just generalize to societies en masse the way you do. Look, I don’t know anything at all about that shit. I’m speaking about specific individuals, maybe up to the level of kinship group – for example, I’m saying that maybe having a female Secretary of State might not be all that bad. I have no idea how matriarchal societies, a much bigger, more complex entity behave in all possible environments. I don’t care to speculate either. All I said was, women tend to come to consensus more often than men do, and are likely less aggressive and machismo. I didn’t say we should radically revamp society, I didn’t suggest mechanisms on how to expand their role on the foreign policy front, I made a very limited statement. But please carry on with “women hate hate hate [X]”.

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  305. No.

    That doesn’t work.

    To the aggressively persuasive go the spoils.

    Truly moronic, Doug. Have any of your “persuasive” comments stopped either of them from spouting their bullshit even one tiny microscopic bit?

    I’ve said it before: Stop feeding the attention whore(s).

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  306. i’m sorry i’m freaked out yesterday… had a terrible week…

    the reason why guys are repulsing me is that they… think sexual things about me!

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  307. friedersdorf’s article also features a commenter named “Scott” who serves as White Knight for women at bars when they’re being negged by these fucking neggers.

    he goes up to a set and blows up the man’s game then goes back to his “girlfriend of two and a half years.” he feels he’s doing a publc service

    Wow. That’s pretty cold. What’s the move if some little turd does this to you? Laugh in his face? Beat him down? Cut losses and move on?

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  308. Funny nobody has pointed out the obvious moral of this; it’s an old proverb, I wonder who said it first:

    “Never take advice from a loser.”

    The corollary of that of course is that the account of a loser might well be worth listening to, in order to learn what NOT to do.

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  309. on July 29, 2009 at 7:08 am Cannon's Canon

    Whiskey,

    You are completely incorrect! Television is not ‘feminized’ at all! At least half of all characters on TV shows are male, so obviously they are written with consideration for their (male) interests!!! Lots of men do manly things while on their shows, so the cannot be feministic at all! Especially on premier stations like HBO and Showtime, which augment their male subscribers with boxing and NFL coverage: there would never be any “pretty lies” in the fashion of the ‘Elementary Particles’ endgame!

    The proverbial lion-share of my fecal loaf of an argument can be summarily displayed with ONE SINGLE COUNTER-EXAMPLE. THE WIRE IS THE BEST SHOW EVER!!! Clearly, you are a white-racialist, ignoramus simpleton for never having dared the visceral adventures of THE WIRE, which ran for five years across the homes of an 11% demographic and has not filmed for four years.

    Let me use THE WIRE as a point against your anti-AA stance: this show used black criminals as its villains, for the most part! It also featured black “comedic relief” characters and strong black “moral figures.” Since this is inexorably true, you are completely blasted out of the stratosphere of credibility when it comes to analyzing the state of mass media. THE WIRE, which often RELIABLY debunked RACIAL INCONSISTENCY as reported by the mainstream media during all 60 sunday nights it aired for a male-dominated fraction of 11% of television audiences, COMPLETELY DISAVOWS your fatalistic theories!!!

    I also have a corroborator who cites every movie ever made without a black lead actor as proof that Hollywood still favors whites!!!

    FURTHERMORE!

    Your refusal to actively report on watching all sixty hours of THE WIRE discredits you from generalizing about the mainstream media and, in that regard, how ALL WHITE PEOPLE REGARD BLACK PEOPLE OBJECTIVELY, RATHER THAN INHERENTLY.

    FOR ANY WHO SAY: I do not frame my arguments appropriately… I refer you to other irrefutable points I have established on these boards. Recently, these include:

    1. Krushchev’s daughter telling the American MSM that Obama was portrayed negatively via Russia because Russians have a history of prejudice against blacks, disregarding a contrary anecdotal account on this board in lieu of a female politico-celebrity – interpreted, as an anecdote, into English, and surely ignoring any relevant context, should there have been any.

    2. Jackie Robinson was “somewhat of a bench player” in the Negro Leagues of pro baseball because Josh Gibson, the consensus best black player ever, who died after the 1946 season under the standing “Gentleman’s Agreement”, and Satchel Paige, who under duress from his peers, called JR the “greatest black ballplayer I have ever seen,” were not immediately pushed to the front of their proverbial, professional bus… this, of course, proves why affirmative action is a necessary ambivalence to blacks in 2009. JR of course made the Negro League All Star team after his first (only) 47 games of 1946 and got bumped up into a MLB HoF career, but this was not because he was good at baseball; his silence against open prejudice got him into white history books… in case you did not know that.

    3. i’m sure i could find some more in a pinch, but those first two still resound with me…

    As you can all see, when I construct such salient arguments as these, I canonize my contributions to this board as instinctively positive.

    It must be tough to (NOT) read and value my comments when I strike so firmly on this level!

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  310. Whiskey, you can make the most convoluted and paranoid argument on earth, you’ll never convince anyone Deadwood and Sopranos are more feminine and gay friendly than Chuck. Like Chic said, you see a bit of yourself in Chuck so you convince yourself it’s the most masculine show on earth. It’s a typical NBC beta show for homos, nerds and chicks.

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  311. on July 29, 2009 at 7:34 am Comment_Whatever

    Very fitting of my last comment, a Big Boss was on the TV this morning.

    He was a Big Boss of California, and it seems they have a problem there. Not that he and his fellow Big Bosses have bankrupted the state, that is their right.

    The fact that he just can’t seem to stop stealing money from other white people and giving it to himself and his friends is okay to. That’s just, you know, a fact of life. Also a fact of life is his tendency to steal money from other white people and give it to immigrants.

    You know what his whole homily was on? The Big Problem the Big Boss had?

    People in California have “lost trust” in the government. That’s his big problem. Do you know why? It’s hard to threaten trust. He’d like to send in the National Guard and crack some commoner heads till they developed a more trusting attitude to their masters, but some of his advisers say that won’t work.

    Life is cruel to the most noble of us.

    [Oh, by the way, the scheduled temporary recovery is ‘on’. Credit has been loosened! The DOW is up! Expect the economy to get better in the next few months.]

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  312. Isn’t Avela just the sweetest, most lovable troll this blog has seen yet? Don’t tell her I said so, but I’m having shocking, perverted, disgusting sexual thoughts about her right now. Also, her writing style is oddly reminiscent of Pupu’s – not that I’m accusing Pupu of anything untoward.

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  313. whiskey

    thank you for nailing down FINALLY what it is we couldn’t watch about deadwood and rome.

    god i wanted to like those shows, i mean ROME for christ’s sake! i could’tn wait. then a few episodes in is was like, is something going to HAPPEN here? talking talking rambling meandering…whats the point? you nailed it–no GOAL. the sopranos didn’t start out like that, but as it attracted a larger and larger female audience it became like that, especially the big “hi loyal audience, Fuck You!” episode with the fuckin dream sequence. they are SOAP OPERAS, watch general hospital, then deadwood–cursing and hookers don’t change a thing, soap operas.

    one of the best things about the shield after the first season or so was how it relentlessly drew you to that final awful conclusion (barring a few throw away episodes).

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  314. My guess is that roissy is mostly disappointed that he didn’t get a mention in the article.

    Roissy hates hates hates anyone who won’t give him attention.

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  315. on July 29, 2009 at 8:45 am The Snatch Whisperer

    I wonder if Conor has ever been punched in the face. Most guys who talk a lot of shit haven’t. I say that because he claims to cockblock guys who he sees negging women.
    My guess would be that his cockblock consists of waiting for the guy to eject before spewing his white knight bullshit on the negee. Or more likely he just rolls his eyes, sips his appletini, and pees himself a little.

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  316. Doug,
    I actually do care about the fate of our society, Man. I’m for making it a good deal for decent guys to get married if they want to, and I want kids to have the chance to know what it feels like to live in a two parent home, a Mom and a Dad, under the same roof.

    And in fact Doug, you and I share many of the same views in these areas. For example, I’m all for pre-nups. Major over-hauling of the family court system. Mandatory Paternity Testing. And yes, Roe For Men. Fatherhood, like Motherhood, should be a CHOICE, freely taken and not done under duress or threat of asset seizure or imprisonment.

    I’m also for dialing back some of the Affirmative Action we see going on wrt Women, because it has a direct and adverse impact, not just on Men and boys, but on the very Women and girls it purports to serve. Studies havebeen shown that the higher a Woman is educated, the more money she makes, the less likely she is to find a suitable mate. The reasons why aren’t hard to suss out. Its simply because in our time, there are fewer and fewer Men of comparable or greater achievements in this way-and, when we also factor in things like a Woman’s age and inherent attractiveness to begin with, it basically means that such Women-of whom there are quite a few in Black USA-suffer from what I call the Oprah Syndrome.

    And lemme tell you Doug. They. Are. Miserable.

    I done lost count as to the number of Sistas I know who “have it all” and have nothing. Who go to bed alone every night. Who spend YEARS w/o having been touched by a Man. And who, in quiet moments of poignant and painful honesty, tell me that “having it all” aint what its cracked up to be-that they would give all that up in a heartbeat for a Man.

    I actually care a great deal about the things you cited about the Black community, Doug, and as well what’s beginning to happen nationwide. Its just that I’m not sure that Game alone can or should address these things. They extend, in my view, into the realms of public policy, and should in my view be handled as such.

    O

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  317. “And who, in quiet moments of poignant and painful honesty, tell me that “having it all” aint what its cracked up to be-that they would give all that up in a heartbeat for a Man.”

    beautiful. your writing is so much better now that reading it isn’t like trying to watch “cabin in the sky” on acid anymore.

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  318. Speaking of writing styles, Nicole/Kthula makes great points but her coments are difficult to read because of their high level of uninterrupted abstraction. Eyes glaze over kind of thing. And then the reader immediately forgets what she wrote.

    Truly good writing blends the general and the particular, with one reinforcing the other. Aerial abstractions evaporate.

    But she does have one really good habit – she usually ends her lecture on a catchy, naturalistic one-sentence summation. Like “there is a natual ceiling for nice guys” or something like that.

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  319. In 2020 there will be a 60%-70% income tax on men simply to look after TODAY’s unmarried women who have gotten old.

    now you touched gig´s obsession. what we need:

    – legalyze involuntary euthanasia of old people
    – stop paying for any treatments of people whose lungs indicate they smoked
    – stop paying any treatment for diabetes. it is not a disease, people simply chose by have it based on amazingly unhealthy lifestyles

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  320. laikestes

    i am only 19 years old! and i’m no troll? do i look like one? i am not ugly! you should be ashamed of yourself!

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  321. Avela, if you’re really that blonde chic from that photo, I have a big package for you. In my pants. And I want you to post a sexier photo this evening.

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  322. i don’t even look good on that photo, so stop intimidate me please! it is because of men like you i don’t travel public transit anymore…

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  323. travel next to me – you’ll be stuck to the seat

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  324. @Obsidian
    You think dialing back AA is an answer to creating a balance between the sexes and ameliorating this trend of over-achieving women / less comparable male mates?

    Would it not be better to have measures that focus on and uplift males?

    You mention black people as in critical need of this type of help, but there’s a general decline in male achievement and uptick of female achievement.

    And regarding black women, a huge issue for them is self-restriction to dating black men only. Where I’ve lived and travelled, I have seen plenty of black women with non-black men.

    Taking away opportunities from women is not the answer -if we as a sex have come this far, we will continue to move forward.

    The focus should be on males. Uplifting them, infusing them with pride and reversing the male-shaming culture, and developing programs that focus on male-to-male mentoring and relationships – something to put family values back into the game. Give them an incentive to be strong men.

    @Doug

    It’s interesting that you discourage marriage and encourage men to live with their partners instead. But in advocating a stronger future for this society, solid marriages are in order to build stable households, healthy families, better citizens.

    I have to wonder what type of woman would settle for being someone’s live-in for years without having the honor of being proudly united with this person in marriage in front of all their friends and family, or even the possibility.

    I imagine that there is a reason that strong, traditional fathers would advocate marriage for their daughters. My own father in particular turns his nose down at co-habitational relationships (short or longterm, although moreso longterm) and has made it clear to me that they are not an option. Especially w/o any expectation of marriage.

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  325. Dana,
    Thanks-I think?

    To go back to my comments to Doug:

    As I was saying earlier, what Women have to accept, is that there are real tradeoffs in life. And they should learn this lesson quick, since, frankly put, they don’t have a lot of time to mess around.

    At least not like we Menfolk do. Every guy here knows that they can jerkoff half of their lives, get their act together, become a success, and keep right on gettin’ up w/o missing a beat. Nor is this something special or extraordinary-its something that happens all the time. As the old saying goes, and its kinda cruel, but nevertheless true: Men age like wine; Women age like milk.

    That means that Women have some very hard choices to make in a rather limited timeframe-and that they have less margin for error if they make mistakes, than Men do. Simply put, being a Party Gal can bring with it a whole host of problems that simply ain’t there for most guys.

    And the same is true for those Women on a hardcore career track. Being that dedicated means in essence, foregoing your best childbirthing and raising years, to say nothing of your most physically attractive. And no matter how much our media may shout it out from the rooftops, the vast majority of Men really don’t care about where you went to school or what you do for a living, so long as you’re functionally literate, can hold a conversation and don’t display visible signs of mental illness. I know that may sound cruel and harsh, even boorish or misogynistic to the Women here reading this, but it is true nonetheless. By and large, Men care about how nice you look, how nice (read, Feminine) you act, how much you care about family and how many cocks you’ve rode.

    Usually in that order.

    And because as a rule, younger Women are prettier than older Women, those who pursue a career course are taking a serious gamble-and by all accounts are beginning to lose, bigtime.

    Please don’t take any of this as some form of personal zealotry or advocacy on my part-I assure it is not. Like most Black Men, I tend not to be as age-obsessed as other groups of Men, most notably White. And it is also well known that Black Men tend to have differing aesthetic values when it comes to Women, than do other groups of Men.

    Nevertheless, what I said is for the most part true and applicable to most Women out there, including the ones reading this right now. And hence why I have always maintained, that Feminism’s biggest victims aren’t Men, but Women.

    O

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  326. @Dreamer:

    “My own father in particular turns his nose down at co-habitational relationships (short or longterm, although moreso longterm) and has made it clear to me that they are not an option. Especially w/o any expectation of marriage.”

    Because any man who won’t propose to you after living together for a few years is a man who will never propose. Or, better yet, he’ll break up with you and marry an 18 year old he met in *dA cLuB* four months later.

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  327. @mandy – Exactly.

    lol @ Obs.
    “And no matter how much our media may shout it out from the rooftops, the vast majority of Men really don’t care about where you went to school or what you do for a living, so long as you’re functionally literate, can hold a conversation and don’t display visible signs of mental illness.”

    Actually, that is the criteria I’ve heard my male friends use to describe who they would hook up with or F after the club. Not at all who they’d marry or date.

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  328. The proverbial lion-share of my fecal loaf of an argument can be summarily displayed with ONE SINGLE COUNTER-EXAMPLE. THE WIRE IS THE BEST SHOW EVER!!!

    Your sarcasm would be effective if not for the fact I’ve named in previous threads over 40+ examples. Look through July’s archives if you want. In fact, without even leaving this thread alone there are examples cited of Entourage, Deadwood, Sopranos, and Rome. So your “one example” thing doesn’t ring true.

    If people want to move now goalposts and make the criteria plot driven with specific goals you can cite Tudors, Burn Notice, Lost, Big Love, Battlestar Galactica, Law & Order is pure goal driven, Monk is goal driven,

    Now if you want to move the goalposts again (which I know is what’s coming next) and make the criteria 100% positive portrayals of white guys, no unrealistically positive portrayals of minorities and women ever, no character-driven soap opera elements and never a PC moment at all, then you’re setting a totally unrealistic standard NO show can pass. These are corporate product, they’re made to make money. To be as exclusionary, one-sided and niche-driven as you guys seem to want them to be in order to qualify as pro-male would be financial suicide.

    Yes much of television skews feminine and gay. Yes television as a whole is less masculine and white-oriented than it was in the past. But to the tune of 98+% percent? No. And even if there was only one pro-male TV show it sure wouldn’t be beta-ass Chuck.

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  329. Actually, that is the criteria I’ve heard my male friends use to describe who they would hook up with or F after the club. Not at all who they’d marry or date.

    They’re lying to look good in case there’s a chance to get into your pants later. That or they’re Jewish or Indian and therefore really, really status-obsessed.

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  330. on July 29, 2009 at 10:23 am hiphopanonamous

    Did anybody catch the premier of “More to Love” on Fox?

    More to Love on Fox

    HI – LARIOUS! Dangerously overweight females compete Bachelor-style to get the chubby chaser of their dreams!

    Some of the highlights:

    -“I’m tired of every man trying to put me on a diet…I WANT CHEESECAKE!”
    -every fatty says that her best feature is her big tits!

    Stinky fatties! YAY!

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  331. Whenever I see people that fat, I cry a little inside.

    I love how fat women have a tendency of using the excuse,”Unlike most women, I EAT.” I think the correct phrase is,”I OVEREAT.”

    They’re crazy.

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  332. i am fat 😦

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  333. and what amazes me is that women are so fuckin dumb they actually think their skinny friends tell them its ok to be fat because it IS, not because they want to cull the competition.

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  334. on July 29, 2009 at 10:44 am D. Ray Morton

    “Did anybody catch the premier of “More to Love” on Fox?

    More to Love on Fox

    HI – LARIOUS! Dangerously overweight females compete Bachelor-style to get the chubby chaser of their dreams!

    Some of the highlights:

    -”I’m tired of every man trying to put me on a diet…I WANT CHEESECAKE!”
    -every fatty says that her best feature is her big tits!”

    Sounds right on target for FOX.

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  335. on July 29, 2009 at 10:45 am Counter Beta-ist

    So, ah, what ethnicity/ethnicities are you, Roissy? It’s very relevant. It’s not a coincidence that Machiavelli was Italian; Anglo-Saxon DNA simply could not produce such an individual.

    There was one study recounted at Sailer’s place about how different European nationalities use game theory. Long story short is that Greeks and Italians believe altruism is for suckers.

    My response, as an Anglo-Saxon? Altruism bakes a bigger pie. It’s largely, but not exclusively, an IQ thing. We’re smart enough to understand that a little co-operation goes a long way, and in this way I (nearly) empathize with Judeo-Bolshevists. They just take it to the extreme, though. Conversely, an each man for himself society is not going to produce great things.

    Oh, and what language are we speaking at the moment? English, motherfuckers.

    As I’ve said before at this blog, I think you’re hugely insightful, and brilliant, but you’re just a little too eager to embrace the decline of western civilization and use it to your advantage for my liking.

    I see no conflict, by the way, between using Game and being a social conservative: our politics should not be what is convenient for our lifestyles, but what we genuinely believe will make the world a better place for everyone, not just ourselves. I’m not a complete beta and even a chump like me can get laid regularly with the help of internet dating, I just don’t do it, not as much as I used to, because it gets messy, it means getting too involved with The Machine, becoming part of The Machine.

    Your whole attitude, and the attitude of Game aficionados, is inherently statist, by the way. Absent the state’s monopoly on violence we so-called betas, often stronger and smarter than you, would quite simply fuck you up whenever you opened your pie-hole or negged us. I suppose those who prospered during Stalin’s purges were considered Alphas. Alpha, then, is whoever doesn’t question society but goes along with whatever society throws at them. Yes men, conniving, gutless yes men without one moral to rub against the next.

    They tend to be mouthy punks, often unathletic, in the case of Mystery a friggin D&D player with zero deltoid definition. That doesn’t sound like superiority to me; if this is who is doing the reproducing then that’s straight dysgenics.

    Any of you folks work with Russians? I have. A weaselly contemptible lot, and if you consider that they are the spawn of those weaselly enough to evade Stalin’s purges and survive Bolshevism through a few generations, that seems logical.

    Yes, Conor is distasteful to me, but not as distasteful as the “men” who mock him for having a stitch of morality about him. It’s the wholly amoral who are a danger to me and my society, and getting back to my original point, morality, and the capacity for it, is in the DNA.

    Want to be amoral? Fine, fuck off back to Italy or wherever then, and let us Anglo-Saxons return to a moral based society, or at the very least let’s carve up North America into ethnic, DNA based enclaves where amoralists don’t fuck up our societies.

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  336. @ avela

    you live in Scandinavia, hide yourself under coats and other clothes for cold weather. and hibernate on summers

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  337. So, ah, what ethnicity/ethnicities are you, Roissy?

    should I write for the hundredth time about the (largely) sexual origins os racial prejudice?

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  338. i just feel fat 😦

    whatever i do is wrong

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  339. @dana:

    “and what amazes me is that women are so fuckin dumb they actually think their skinny friends tell them its ok to be fat because it IS, not because they want to cull the competition.”

    Skinny or more slender women tell them that also because they want their fat friends to stop complaining about their weight.

    But you can’t tell a fat girl she’s fat without hearing about the exercise regimen she’s about to start or all the weight she plans to lose. (in short, without hearing her qualify herself)

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  340. on July 29, 2009 at 11:13 am mandy been here a while

    gig

    “should I write for the hundredth time about the (largely) sexual origins os racial prejudice?”

    yes or link to this explanation please… 🙂

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  341. whiskey I smell what you’re trying to cook, but Chuck? Catnip for girls. They luuuuurv his lols and sensitive heart and big brainy brains. He’s a tall seth cohen! The boys I know who watch it? IT or comic con esque men. They love Sarah the blonde ninja, the dumbness of the ‘tough’ guys, the pop culture references, etc. etc. (I mean, D&D, tron, Millenium Falcon?) Yes there are goals, but biggest loser and Veronica Mars had them too. Neither is, imho, particularly written for men.

    Don’t forget that the creator of your beloved show also brought us the power of the OC and Gossip Girl … and have non-spy versions of Chuck on those too.

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  342. all the other girls have always called me ugly…

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  343. — we so-called betas, often stronger and smarter than you, would quite simply fuck you up whenever you opened your pie-hole or negged us.

    You are missing the point. You are supposed to neg girls, not guys.

    You only neg guys when if you feel you can handle them. Negging guys can get you punched in the mouth.

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  344. Dreamer–

    @Doug: It’s interesting that you discourage marriage and encourage men to live with their partners instead. But in advocating a stronger future for this society, solid marriages are in order to build stable households, healthy families, better citizens.

    That’s solely because the marriage laws, i.e. the dissolution of marriage laws or divorce and child support=alimony laws have become so unfavorable to men.

    Change those laws to be more man friendly given the reality who who seeks or otherwise causes divorce in American today (women as much as 90% of the time), and I’d change my position.

    However Dreamer, I don’t believe that any alpha male should have to pledge to never have sex with any other woman but his wife for periods that stretch beyond a few years but to twenty or more — so long as he’s not neglecting his wife and is discrete. Nor do I think he should have to give up half of what he’s earned and more, on top of child support at levels which really amount to alimony, if he does so.

    As for what a father wants for his daughter. Well a lot of fathers are going to look at the heavily woman slanted deal of marriage, at least if she’s marrying a very high earning man, and say “nothing but the best for my princess”. Particularly if he doesn’t also have sons. As well like most of America probably doesn’t know the truth as it’s become since the early and middle 1990s under feminist lobbying.

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  345. Mandy, Dana, etc. under the current circumstances, it is okay to be fat.

    …well, as okay as it is to be sheeple anyway.

    Eating the way that Americans do, even following the USDA and surgeon general’s guidelines, the women who aren’t fat are the genetically lucky and the anorexic.

    Since women don’t judge beauty or quality the way most men do, what they’re seeing is the quality (non mentally ill) women who are eating “healthy” gaining weight “naturally”.

    Most men don’t really know why it’s happening, and blame feminism or whatever. The truth is that it’s the government and processed food companies. Feminism just helps things along by keeping women out of the kitchen and men away from using guns and knives on animals instead of humans.

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  346. I’m not a complete beta and even a chump like me can get laid regularly with the help of internet dating,

    Suuuuuuure you can, buddy.

    Your whole attitude, and the attitude of Game aficionados, is inherently statist, by the way. Absent the state’s monopoly on violence we so-called betas, often stronger and smarter than you, would quite simply fuck you up whenever you opened your pie-hole or negged us. I suppose those who prospered during Stalin’s purges were considered Alphas. Alpha, then, is whoever doesn’t question society but goes along with whatever society throws at them. Yes men, conniving, gutless yes men without one moral to rub against the next.

    This is completely backwards. It is the beta who is inherently statist and who goes along with what society expects, namely, the whole structure of feminism and the divorce-industrial complex, neither of which could exist without state propaganda and state coercion.

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  347. Anglo-Saxons aren’t pure or benevolent.
    i seem to recall the British empire killing millions upon millions all in the name of manifest destiny.

    And the empire was fueled in part by slavery.
    How someone can call the British Empire “nicer” than the Roman one is bizarre- esp when one when one considers how African slaves were treated under the British- the Romans were color blind- slavery was more class based than it was based in culture. Roman slaves could be freed- African slaves under the British I believe were treated much worse than the Romans treated their slaves.

    The Romans would actually recruit Africans for the legion- they were valued as warriors- I also believe that Rome had two black African emperors.
    If you believe the bible the spear of destiny was owned by a black African roman officer.

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  348. Tarl, in a way it kind of ties together…internalized beta men who are wimpy, and internalized beta women who are fat of the kind that is physically weakening.

    Match made in a test tube.

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  349. Another reason why I am not a fan of “Asshole Game”.

    Its because in m observation, Women who actively seekout such displays of Male behavior, be it natural or acquired, I find to be, quite frankly, sick.

    Now lemme make this clear before the howling starts. I’m not talking about the rare justified moment of anger. Or the natural form of dominance in a Male-Female relationship. Or the extension of this to the bedroom.

    What I am talking about is, and c’mon, you all know what I mean here-is the crass, utterly selfish, stompdown jerk/antisocial behavior that a good number of Women not only seem to attract/be attracted to/by, but *crave*. To me, its a blaring signal that girlfriend is on some other ish and that I need to get the buck outta Dodge, quick.

    Because experience has shown me, that its Women like that are *distinct* liabilities for ANY longterm investment, and make no mistake ladies, a Man looking to go Long & Deep on you is making a significant investment in a whole lotta ways.

    Now of course, if you’re a guy who’s just in it for the Bun n Run aka Pump & Dump, then none of this really applies. As I said before, Asshole Game, works. And it works for one reason and one reason alone:

    Because so many Women, want it.

    Now, I could get mad and huff and puff about that, do like Whiskey and rant and rave about stuff like that, but I don’t. It won’t change the basic facts of life, nor will it make my life any better.

    I just get my head right, put things into perspective, and make choices-because when you have Game, even a little bit, you DO have choices. The vast majority of Men out there, who are at the mercy of the Fates? They do not.

    And I choose, not to conduct myself in such a fashion, even if it landed me guaranteed HB10 Poon on Demand. Just not gonna do it. Over the longterm, to me, it ain’t worth the tradeoff.

    But that’s just me, doing me.

    The Obsidian

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  350. avela

    i just feel fat 😦

    whatever i do is wrong

    My hot dancer gf once had a fatty fat fat friend so fat her fat little cookie-grabbing fingers couldn’t hit the shift key to cap her letters.

    That goddamned fatty fat fat fuck.

    btw, if you “feel fat”

    you
    are

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  351. there is a particularly strident single mom arguing with me here RIGHT now if anyone has a yahoo id–i’d love backup

    http://games.yahoo.com/games/ante?room=literati_int_c&prof_id=chat_pf_1&nosignedcab=yes

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  352. Game in BK

    The Romans would actually recruit Africans for the legion- they were valued as warriors- I also believe that Rome had two black African emperors.

    North African =/= black. The north Africans were also emperors late in Rome’s history IIRC. For a long time you had to by native born Roman.

    You have heard of the phrase “sub Saharan Africans, right?

    North Africans were and are predominantly Caucasian. Berber and Arab most heavily. About 25-30% subSaharan admixure overall, though it’s very lumpy.

    You’re right though that Rome didn’t have a particularly acute prejudice against black Africans, more than other clear barbarians. They also didn’t encounter many. They were instead exotica.

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  353. omg these broads are so dumb, someone come help me

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  354. Game in BK–

    Hannibal of Carthage was of Phonenician descent (like most of Carthage) btw. I.e. Semitic.

    The great general who famously crossed the Alps with elephants and threatened Rome militarily in Italy for a decade and more. Who was the greatest threat to Rome in it’s whole history, before the eventual collapse of Western Roman Empire under the pressure of a number of German tribes.

    Such a threat that because of him Rome eventually decided to utterly destroy Carthage and commit thorough genocide upon it’s people. (As thorough as they could manage.)

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  355. The Black Romans — BBC Article

    Was Septimius Severus the 1st Black man to rule England?

    Did you know that Black and Asian people first came to the North East in Roman times? Or that England was once ruled by a Libyan? These and many more historical facts were revealed as part of BBC Black History Month.

    Early Black History

    Emperor Septimius Severus wasn’t the only Black Roman in Britain. There were other African officers, soldiers … stationed on and around Hadrian’s Wall in the 3rd century.

    http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-black-romans/

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  356. Dana, you’re a brave soul taking on the Hive.

    I’ve found that I have an easier time with them if I speak to the woman hiding deep inside them regardless of what they’re saying. She knows the truth, as we all do, when she hears it. The mouth will deny it, but the womb knows.

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  357. on July 29, 2009 at 12:46 pm mandy been here a while

    Severus was a Berber. Look at his bust, front on not profile. Do those facial features look Sub-Saharan? He simply was not black.

    The Romans were most certainly not color blind and regularly took Nubians as slaves (although they could be freed.)

    You seriously link to a rastafarian source for history? They are a bunch of Jamaicans who claim an Ethiopian king was the messiah.

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  358. doug is my hero

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  359. read this: look at the pictures.

    His father was Publius Septimus Geta and his mother was Fulvia Pia. Both his mother and father
    descended from members of successful equestrian families who had strong political ties. Numerous
    pictures, busts and statues of him show him to be Black.

    http://www.fdlom.co.uk/BI/pdf/Roman%20emperor.pdf

    Black African soldiers, specifically identified as Moors, were actively recruited for Roman military
    service and were stationed in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland and Romania.
    Many of these Africans rose to high rank. Lusius Quietus, for example, was one of Rome’s greatest
    generals and was named by Roman Emperor Trajan (98-117 C.E.) as his successor. Quietus is
    described as a “man of Moorish race and considered the ablest soldier in the Roman army.”

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  360. Of course the Romans were ruthless, merciless- but I do not think they were any better or worse than the British Empire.

    Blacks could rise in Rome- in the British Empire not so much.

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  361. Dana–

    It was kinda fun.

    Though to me those sorts of fast scroll boards are kinda retarded.

    What kind of developed argument or exchange can you have there?

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  362. yeh you cant–i just like making women cry there–i’m a horrid troll

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  363. Roman military service and were stationed in Britain, France, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary, Poland and Romania.

    The Roman empire never reached as far northeast as present-day Poland. There was some amber trade with the local population but no stationed Roman armies.

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  364. i’m a horrid troll

    I used to love trolling on Salon’s “letters.” I’m proud of having drailed more than one thread. It was like beating up toddlers. Except like toddlers, the Lefties were tantrumy and incapable of reason.

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  365. -mandy been here a while-

    That article was taken directly from the BBC website. It was not written on that website.

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  366. -Chuck wrote:

    “this is the part of fem’s posts from earlier i didn’t understand. in what way does conor show that he “has balls”? he comments about a behavior that is unpopular with 75% of the male population and 90% of the female population. he’s hardly pushing the envelope here.

    not trying to be contrary here, but explain to me how he has balls by ragging on the neg? it takes balls to speak out against widely accepted practices of male bar behavior.”

    I have yet to see a male speak out against the tactics of game. I think you’re missing the point. The point is that he has the balls to stand on his own two feet, and go against something that very few men would be against. Women will always admire and notice the man that has the balls to speak out against something that is popular.

    Todd wrote:

    “The assumption here is that a sizable minority of men actually become adept in Game.

    I say that we are nowhere near even 5% of men being regular practitioners of Game. Hence, the neg does not lose value. A good neg is not even noticed as being such.”

    How many men do you believe used the opinion opener? It is my understanding that in LA and other parts of CA, if you use the opinion opener, you are pretty much be dead in the water. Even if only 5% of men used game, the hot girls get hit on all the time, so eventually, they’re going to become privy to what’s going on, just like they did with the opinion opener in LA. women aren’t as dumb as PUA’s would like to believe they are. Even in my city (Columbus, OH), I have seen guys get called out on several occasions for using game that is popular with PUA’s.

    Once men and the media start to realize that this stuff works, it’s going to be everywhere. Just look at how many talk shows are picking up on this (Tyra, Dr. Phil and others), and then there are the reality shows. And women love watching those stupid reality shows. There’s already been two seasons of The PUA, and rumor has it that Paul Janka is working on a show of his own. If you think that women aren’t eventually going to catch on, you’re living in a world of fantasy.

    That being said, a good neg is well concealed. However, the vast majority of guys who use game just aren’t that smart and witty. From watching the vast majority of PUA’s, if he’s smart, he usually has no social intelligence and can come off as quite dorky/loserish(nerds), and if he has social intelligence, he doesn’t really use game and relies more on his personality. It is very rare to run across a PUA that is both socially intelligent and understands all of the tactics and techniques that the nerdy PUA’s do.

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  367. -PA-

    -After the fall of the Roman Empire, of which most of south-eastern Poland was part-

    Settled in prehistoric times, the south-eastern Poland region that is now Podkarpacie was overrun in pre-Roman times by various tribes, including the Celts (Anarti), Goths and Vandals (Przeworsk culture and Puchov culture).

    After the fall of the Roman Empire, of which most of south-eastern Poland was part (all parts below the San), the area was invaded by Hungarians and Slavs.

    The region subsequently became part of the Great Moravian state. Upon the invasion of the Hungarian tribes into the heart of the Great Moravian Empire around 899, the Lendians of the area declared their allegiance to Hungarian Empire. The region then became a site of contention between Poland, Kievan Rus and Hungary starting in at least the 9th century.

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  368. Assanova–

    I have yet to see a male speak out against the tactics of game.

    Then you haven’t paid much attention to this blog board.

    There have been a number of men that have been here for awhile who have. TokyoJesusFist in his various incarnations for example.

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  369. on July 29, 2009 at 1:25 pm Willard Libby

    Game in BK

    read this: look at the pictures.

    His father was Publius Septimus Geta and his mother was Fulvia Pia. Both his mother and father
    descended from members of successful equestrian families who had strong political ties. Numerous
    pictures, busts and statues of him show him to be Black.

    http://www.fdlom.co.uk/BI/pdf/Roman%20emperor.pdf

    Septimus was CLEARLY NOT shown as black in any of the photos provided.

    Only an afrocentric idiot thinks Septimus was black.

    Black African soldiers, specifically identified as Moors,

    Moors were not black Africans.

    mandy been here a while

    Severus was a Berber. Look at his bust, front on not profile. Do those facial features look Sub-Saharan? He simply was not black.

    The Romans were most certainly not color blind and regularly took Nubians as slaves (although they could be freed.)

    You seriously link to a rastafarian source for history? They are a bunch of Jamaicans who claim an Ethiopian king was the messiah.

    Everything you wrote is true but getting through to an afrocentric type is like talking to whiskey about women.

    It’s useless.

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  370. @Doug- Your theory regarding allowing the guy to step outside the marriage are interesting. How does that theory apply to relationships- if you’re a young woman in a serious relationship with a young “alpha” who is on the rise, socially and professionally? Allowances there?

    This seems somewhat lowering of standards on the woman’s end – how can that “agreement” be made w/ class and dignity on her end?

    It seems reasonable, but somehow daunting.


    regarding fat people-

    this is a great nation. i’ve travelled a bit and lived in other countries… but from what i’ve seen we’ve got a HUGE problem regarding food and health standards. food portions are out of control here, and unfortunately

    as Ghost of Nicole said, it’s okay to be fat here.
    slimming down is the path to overall health and i don’t know why more don’t embrace it in our country.

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  371. on July 29, 2009 at 1:27 pm Willard Libby

    Joe

    Whiskey, you can make the most convoluted and paranoid argument on earth, you’ll never convince anyone Deadwood and Sopranos are more feminine and gay friendly than Chuck. Like Chic said, you see a bit of yourself in Chuck so you convince yourself it’s the most masculine show on earth. It’s a typical NBC beta show for homos, nerds and chicks.

    Didn’t whiskey write that being interested in Dungeons and Dragons is a sign of masculinity?

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  372. i will not comment on this topic again. Sometimes The racism and ignorance here is astounding.

    Here is a BBC article from the BBC website.
    i don’t give a shit- and i am not a historian. i dont even know i started to respond to this crap.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tyne/3181666.stm

    Romans ‘were not colour prejudiced’

    The Roman head flask was found in South Shields
    Romans who were stationed on Hadrian’s Wall did not judge people by their colour, research by experts at Newcastle University has revealed.
    Evidence from artefacts held in the university’s museum of antiquities shows that Africans were represented at all levels of Roman society.

    The university’s director of archaeological museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, who has organized an exhibition of Romano-African artefacts to coincide with Black History Month, said: “From the evidence we have here, it is clear that colour was no bar to the status an individual could achieve in the Roman Empire.

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  373. Dreamer, Ghost of Nicole, etc:

    Unless someone is lucky to have parents that watch what they eat and cook good home made meals from scratched (I’m not talking about fried chicken and french fries, mind you), I do see what you are saying.

    My overweight friends don’t see what is wrong with their eating habits. One finally realized it when she had a guest stay at her house for a month and he gained twenty pounds from adopting her (and her family’s) eating habits.

    Most restaurants in the United States serve as much as four times the amount of food that needs to be served. The recommended course of action is to eat only a fourth (or a third, depending on the restaurant) of what is served at a restaurant and take the rest home.

    Also, when McDonald’s first came out, the only portions served were today’s “Kids meal” sizes. Fries were something extra and didn’t come with every meal. Nowadays we have supersize everything!

    At the same time though, it’s terrible to assume that only “lucky” or “anorexic” people can stay healthy in America. There are a number of people who are weight conscious, or who at least know what is good and what is bad for them and when to stop eating.

    The issue is that there just aren’t enough.

    And I do agree that even if someone followed the guidelines of the food pyramid, they would gain weight. That is a ridiculous amount of food! I don’t even eat half of that a day.

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  374. Dreamer

    Negs are a good thing – they keep a woman off of a pedestal. The best way to keep a woman interested is to make her feel she must aspire to have you. Once she feels she’s above you somehow, it’s over. Negs keep her below.

    At the same time, you want to make her feel good, feminine, loved, cared for (once she’s earned it). Conor’s sentiment is about making a woman feel good and boosting her self-esteem.

    There’s a fine balance and he’s missing it. A balance needed in a relationship.

    A neg can make a woman feel more feminine, actually. A well-placed tease will show your control over yourself, your lack of fear, and your dominance. And this speaks to a woman’s core.

    Yeah.

    There needs to be a balance between edgie teasing sometimes, and making her feel good and confident most of the time, when you’re already in a LTR. It’s just that with hotties you have to front load on the negging to get her interest.

    Different girls will need different amounts of each in a LTR.

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  375. Pupu likes gutsy gals. No mo 🙂

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  376. Mandy XD:

    And I do agree that even if someone followed the guidelines of the food pyramid, they would gain weight. That is a ridiculous amount of food! I don’t even eat half of that a day.

    The food pyramid is evil.

    Basically carbs are bad, except the ones that come with veggies and fruit. Carbs are what should be severely limited most of all. Fries, potatoes of any kind, any sort of chip, more than minimal amounts of bread, rice, plantains, squash, all bad.

    The main thing they have going for them is that they can be tasty and they’re usually cheap. (In their processes forms they’re also highly profitable so pushed.) They’re also traditional.

    And yeah portions of meat should also be reduced for many people.

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  377. The average American eats 5x the amount of meat he should a week.

    Really, eating meat about twice a week is all you need. Increasing the amount of fruits and veggies you eat is better for your health.

    Athletes might have their own special diets though.

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  378. on July 29, 2009 at 1:57 pm Willard Libby

    Game in BK

    i will not comment on this topic again. Sometimes The racism and ignorance here is astounding.

    Your claims were refuted. Your black racist obsessions are wrong.

    You should acknowledge your ignorance and accept correction.

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  379. on July 29, 2009 at 1:58 pm Kick a Bitch

    haha, i had to leave a comment on his post…

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  380. on July 29, 2009 at 1:59 pm Kick a Bitch

    The average American eats 5x the amount of meat he should a week.

    Really, eating meat about twice a week is all you need. Increasing the amount of fruits and veggies you eat is better for your health.

    Athletes might have their own special diets though.

    haha, fucking hippy… i’ve got some meat for you to ingest.

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  381. @doug-
    question for you a little above. in need of your wisdom 😉

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  382. blacks actually created the Roman Empire. Carthaginians were also black. The Punic wars were inter-black wars, just like the wars in Congo today.

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  383. Anglo-Saxons aren’t pure or benevolent.
    i seem to recall the British empire killing millions upon millions all in the name of manifest destiny.

    Manifest Destiny was the USA, not the British Empire.

    And I seem to recall the British Empire being essential to the abolition of African slavery. No African slaves would have been freed without it.

    And the empire was fueled in part by slavery.

    Which was neither illegal nor immoral at that time.

    How someone can call the British Empire “nicer” than the Roman one is bizarre- esp when one when one considers how African slaves were treated under the British- the Romans were color blind- slavery was more class based than it was based in culture. Roman slaves could be freed- African slaves under the British I believe were treated much worse than the Romans treated their slaves.

    Why are we even talking about something as absurd as the “niceness” of Empires? Empires are not created and maintained to be “nice” but to benefit the imperial ruling elite.

    The barbarian tribes who the Romans slaughtered and enslaved would have laughed their asses off at the idea the Romans were “nice”. The British did not themselves slaughter and enslave Africans, they bought the slaves from African rulers.

    I’d be more afraid of an Empire that enslaved people regardless of color than one that only enslaved one color – especially if I were not of that color.

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  384. doug1:

    To the aggressively persuasive go the spoils.

    Not at all. By stubbornly responding to the inanities of people like LR or FemX (whose personna is most likely fake anyway), you and the others are helping turn entire comment sections into an unreadable deluge of boring and irrelevant comments, with the remaining valuable comments buried and scattered so badly that for an average reader, it makes no sense to waste time and effort looking for them.

    What are the “spoils” of confronting people like LR anyway? You’re just feeding their endless appetite for attention and further exacerbating the already bad situation with the falling quality of the comment threads. (Though it seems like there has been a small revival lately.) Consider also how it reflects on you when you show that you take them seriously enough to care about what they have to say.

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  385. on July 29, 2009 at 2:58 pm mandy been here a while

    gig
    will you please link or re-explain your comments on sexuality-racism?

    Thanks

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  386. blacks weren´t excluded from universities without a reason. even a smart black like ours Game in BK when faced with the reality of history will prefer to destroy the very science he profess to study to force it to conform to his psychological needs

    Game in BK, La Griffe´s fundamental constant of sociology has been constant throughout history. blacks have always been ugly, more prone to personal violence, less disciplined, and less inteligent thus generating prejudice in all non-black peoples around them

    and the talented tenth of the blacks would bang all the non-black girls if given the chance, generating hatred in its truest form in all non-black beta males

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  387. gig

    Amusing.

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  388. Dreamer says, “slimming down is the path to overall health and i don’t know why more don’t embrace it in our country.”

    Well, it’s partly because slimming down isn’t the path to overall health. Slimming down will happen if someone who is overfat improves their overall health.

    People don’t want to hear that. This is why more don’t embrace a lifestyle that would lead to healthy weight management.

    Also, embracing a healthy lifestyle would cause people who are underweight to gain weight. If one is of the lucky girls able to convince themselves not to eat anything but beer and cum, and maintains a Hollywood perfect size 0-2 doing so, she is not going to want to hear about anything that might bring her up to a healthier 4-7 or an optimally athletic/dancer 6-10 (accounting for muscle and the resulting shape, not so much bodyfat).

    Then there’s the severe reduction of carbs and absolute banning of any fake foods from one’s kitchen that would be required. Many people just wouldn’t know where to begin because they’re given so much misinformation.

    So neither the fat nor the slim are healthy under the American diet. Calorie reduction is extremely difficult when it is impossible to get what your body is begging for.

    So it creates a situation where the skinny girls are angry and entitled because they really are working extremely hard to keep their figure unless they have some kind of mutant body able to easily digest hydrogenated vegetable oils and raw wheat.

    …and they still don’t look as good as the foreign girls who get to have whole milk yoghurt, butter, and all sorts of supposedly naughty goodies, and yet somehow “miraculously” maintain their weight.

    I used to wonder how my great grandparents could work a 16 hour day in the burning sun, and still have energy to cook and care for kids. I don’t wonder anymore. It’s the food.

    I’m thinking of doing what my aunt did and taking a cleaning or home care job on the side, just to have something to do with the extra energy other than post here. Heheheh…

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  389. on July 29, 2009 at 3:40 pm Instafaggot

    Tood: Dood. You are pretty hardcore. As in the hard core in your head where your brain should be. Jeez.

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  390. @Ghost of Nicole:

    “…and they still don’t look as good as the foreign girls who get to have whole milk yoghurt, butter, and all sorts of supposedly naughty goodies, and yet somehow “miraculously” maintain their weight.”

    Isn’t dairy supposed to do wonders for the metabolism? And isn’t yoghurt better for absorbing calcium? I don’t see how these things are “naughty goodies,” unless you’re talking about french butter, holy crap.

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  391. @ mandy

    I have never theoryzed about it. I just read much of the WN blogosphere and found out that those guys are losers and certainly sexless. This related with sex because once free of segregation, alpha blacks will be above white alphas and will tend to create harems of white girls for themselves.
    The world seen by a WN features:

    – The ugliness of black women that can only generate despise for blacks overall
    – The miscegenation of mid-status blacks and low-status white females (the offspring of those unions will be fed and clothed most probably through taxes on white men)
    – The harems of black alphas
    – No sex at all

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  392. @doug, vlad – i agree with vlad in general on feeding trolls, and LR is a well-known entity by now, but there’s just something about FemX that pisses me off. her contributions are *always* intended to jerk us around. hence my blast yesterday. you’re probably right that they’re both better off ignored.

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  393. Dreamer—

    @Doug- Your theory regarding allowing the guy to step outside the marriage are interesting. How does that theory apply to relationships- if you’re a young woman in a serious relationship with a young “alpha” who is on the rise, socially and professionally? Allowances there?

    This seems somewhat lowering of standards on the woman’s end – how can that “agreement” be made w/ class and dignity on her end?

    It seems reasonable, but somehow daunting. /blockquote>

    First of all she should be number one by far and there should be rules seeking to assure that. It probably shouldn’t occur at all at first if the couple really do adore each other. Second I think she should have veto power and as much disclosure as she wants. Veto over who — her friends and of course family, etc. Veto over continuing anything if it becomes too emotional for him or he starts falling in love. Or maybe only short term things are ok with her. Of course tight precautions against having a kid elsewhere. This might involve his vasectomy if he’s already had two or three by her. She also might not really want to know and he has to play it that way so that she and her friends don’t know, but she just keeps an eye open for signs that he’s getting too involved as many wives do in supposedly completely monogamous relationships.

    A fallback if there is friends discovery is to say it’s an open marriage with tight veto rules. If pressed she can say she can too but hasn’t wanted to play. She’s a one man woman.

    The main problem is the view of other women. I.e. the main problem is cultural. There have certainly been many times and places where it was openly accepted, particularly in a marriage that had gone on for awhile. As well polygamy is recognized and perfectly respectable for the women involved in many cultures, but that’s a somewhat different thing.

    It was always important to treat one’s wife with the proper respect though which meant different things in different places but almost always meant that she was the primary or sole woman at his side for anything formal or official. At other times any other woman had to be completely or nearly completely hidden.

    In terms of current day America, deep discretion is probably the way to go for most people. This will often depend a lot on whether the wife can keep things to herself as opposed to talking to a best girlfriend who then blabs, as girlfriends far more than (straight) guy friends are apt to do. Or she can present it in so far as it gets out as an open arrangement with rules, including her veto rights.

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  394. Dreamer–

    Sorry. Messed up the html. Trying again:

    @doug-
    question for you a little above. in need of your wisdom. 😉

    This question I guess?

    @Doug- Your theory regarding allowing the guy to step outside the marriage are interesting. How does that theory apply to relationships- if you’re a young woman in a serious relationship with a young “alpha” who is on the rise, socially and professionally? Allowances there?

    This seems somewhat lowering of standards on the woman’s end – how can that “agreement” be made w/ class and dignity on her end?

    It seems reasonable, but somehow daunting.

    Ok, since you press me.

    First of all she should be number one by far and there should be rules seeking to assure that. It probably shouldn’t occur at all at first if the couple really do adore each other. Second I think she should have veto power and as much disclosure as she wants. Veto over who — her friends and of course family, etc. Veto over continuing anything if it becomes too emotional for him or he starts falling in love. Or maybe only short term things are ok with her. Of course tight precautions against having a kid elsewhere. This might involve his vasectomy if he’s already had two or three by her. She also might not really want to know and he has to play it that way so that she and her friends don’t know, but she just keeps an eye open for signs that he’s getting too involved as many wives do in supposedly completely monogamous relationships.

    A fallback if there is friends discovery is to say it’s an open marriage with tight veto rules. If pressed she can say she can too but hasn’t wanted to play. She’s a one man woman.

    The main problem is the view of other women. I.e. the main problem is cultural. There have certainly been many times and places where it was openly accepted, particularly in a marriage that had gone on for awhile. As well polygamy is recognized and perfectly respectable for the women involved in many cultures, but that’s a somewhat different thing.

    It was always important to treat one’s wife with the proper respect though which meant different things in different places but almost always meant that she was the primary or sole woman at his side for anything formal or official. At other times any other woman had to be completely or nearly completely hidden.

    In terms of current day America, deep discretion is probably the way to go for most people. This will often depend a lot on whether the wife can keep things to herself as opposed to talking to a best girlfriend who then blabs, as girlfriends far more than (straight) guy friends are apt to do. Or she can present it in so far as it gets out as an open arrangement with rules, including her veto rights.

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  395. I can’t believe feminyiest tried to neg the whole blog except for roissy. Everyone needs to read her post on what she would do with a mil. Shit is off the chain like seeing what a 4 year old would write. The reason she needs that alpha is because she has no clue about life. She needs a man to provide her dumb ass with loot so she can raise her dumb kids. What the fuck she gonna teach em “how to be slaves 101”.

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  396. ”””””’Obs,
    It is indeed quite understandable, for a number of reasons, but perhaps the biggest reason is because once you find out the truth, it feels like you’ve been betrayed. All your life. And not by people you barely know or will never meet-but by people who are your family, or close friends, or perhaps trusted advisors and mentors and authority figures. You get angry and pissed off that all you’ve been told is a lie, a cruel joke, and you’re humiliated. ””””””””””””

    The thing about the betrayal is it is in all aspects of life. Every aspect is a joke. Everything comes down to loot. Then ok toss a little game. Big fucking deal. Not rocket science. You think life is hard like it is a challenge. Wrong fucking answer. Life is easy to figure out but applying is hard as in who wants to beat the shit and prove the joke.

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  397. Dude, that character is most likely someone’s fantasy sock-puppet expressly created for the purposes of trolling. You’re falling for the joke. I can totally imagine the guy standing behind it laughing at how you’re all pompous, serious, self-important, and angry about it. Even if you think it’s probably not a hoax, ask yourself if it’s worth even a small chance of being made an ass out of so spectacularly.

    I agree that her blog comes off as an HBD parody site made to mock stereotypes of the field, like when she has posts about “Hey, let’s all guess each other’s IQs” and then you get a buncha comments from a bunch of guys actually playing her game, but I just can’t believe she’s an all-out hoax. Way too much work, and for what reward? I think she’s 100% real.

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  398. ””””””’Femyiest
    All I see is what people write. Roissy is there. He has a popular blog. He is thoughtful and talented. All these guys are sycophantic towards Roissy.””””””

    Called respect for someones accomplishments. Yea two times I went to your blog. I see some post about iq and everyone saying how smart they are. Then I see post where people can’t figure out what to do with a million dollars. Good comedy anyway if you like irony.

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  399. ””””””’Femyiest,
    No one is adequately “ripping to shreds” anything that I am saying. Not that it matters. Some of the guys seem to have developed a little clique on this blog where they support each other’s ranting, no matter how absurd.”””””’

    I think I did the job no thanks requires you can buy the gun at walmart and save with their low prices.

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  400. Oh my goodness, the past three posts of Gunslinger have kept me laughing the past ten minutes.

    My abs hurt now. 😦

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  401. ”””””The Older Man
    Yeah get rid of her SA shes annoying me already””””””””””””””””

    Yea SA if your scared to bring your future wife in for a prenump then yea probably should not get married.

    Christ I had to talk about killing my first fiance if she treated me like an american woman. She still married my ass after agreeing to gun prenump and guess what. She stuck to most of her end of bargain and did’t stick me with a kid I didn ‘t want at the time and also didn’t take my shit.

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  402. Joe:

    I agree that her blog comes off as an HBD parody site made to mock stereotypes of the field, like when she has posts about “Hey, let’s all guess each other’s IQs” and then you get a buncha comments from a bunch of guys actually playing her game, but I just can’t believe she’s an all-out hoax. Way too much work, and for what reward? I think she’s 100% real.

    Ever heard of Libertarian Girl? There are lots of people on the internet with ample time, inclination, and talent for all sorts of creative trolling, and in this case, the parallels with the LG case are just too striking. Not to mention that both the main plot and the everyday stories are even more implausible here, the feeling of unfeminine geekiness in the writing style is even more intensive, and the readership is being led to make idiots out of themselves even more spectacularly.

    Regardless of how deep the act really is, whoever is standing behind that moniker, there’s no way in hell that he/she is being upfront. That automatically makes the greater fool out of anyone who confronts him/her while taking the act at face value.

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  403. Are you doing the made for tv marriage or the descision to stay together by two people type marriage?

    I can’t understand things like the guy not knowing whether or not the woman is going to say yes to marriage as every woman i have ever went out with has been down. Anyway I brought that up to woman at work and they all said they had turned some guy down so I guess those guys are out there but shit if your close enough to propose wtf you better know this chick inside out. Tell her you lost your job see what she does.

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  404. on July 29, 2009 at 5:54 pm Dave from Hawaii

    @ Mandy XD

    The average American eats 5x the amount of meat he should a week.

    Nope. The average American eats 5x the amount of REFINED, PROCESSED Carbs than he or she should at almost every meal.

    This is why obesity is now an epidemic.

    You can eat meat at every single meal, and it would not make you overweight, at all.

    Girl, you have canines in your dentistry and hydrochloric acid in your stomach specifically designed to digest meat.

    Understand this: eating meat, and eating saturated fat, does not make you fat.

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  405. @Gunslinger:
    Gun Prenup

    This term should become part of everyday English language. Will make this a better country.

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  406. eating meat is the conservative equivalent of that “CoeXisT” stupid shirts

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  407. Mandy, butter is your friend. French women who didn’t replace their butter with nutritionally worthless margerine don’t get fat.

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  408. on July 29, 2009 at 7:34 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Yeah, Vladimir because nothing says “successful with women” like 500 dudes posting on a site and having a perma-sausage party.

    The fact that you guys attack EVERY woman who doesn’t immediately flirt with you or bow down to you regardless of whether your statements are intellectual or logical just shows that being “ignored as a troll” here is a compliment to our intellect.

    Doug, I assure you that you’re nowhere NEAR my intellectual level and anyone who reads your constant hysteria and flailing can see that. You don’t need my comments to help that along.

    I don’t have a problem with your views in general, Doug. It’s the fact that you’re so thick that you’ll act like this champion for Family Values and the Iron First of Traditionalism except that you think men cheating and infidelity is fine.

    Men of the Traditional era would spit on a man who would disrespect their women and openly mock them like you do. Feminist X called you out correctly and you just HATE that.

    She couldn’t have been more on point about you: Welcoming at first, then a neg or two, and then when you realize the woman isn’t a submissive half-wit, you turn tail and shriek “Feminist”! like a child.

    Again, you say you are calling out “Feminist BS” except my viewpoints are in no way “radical feminism” or even close to “hardcore feminism” so your very argument doesn’t even make sense.

    It’s one thing to be a woman-hater like Roissy….but at least he has the BALLS to admit it! You act like you’re some family man because you’re too much of a pussy to just admit that you’re a misogynist prick that wants to be worshipped for being White and having a penis. Sorry buddy, life isn’t that easy.

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  409. on July 29, 2009 at 7:38 pm Wendy Schwartz

    And meat is not what makes you fat, but meat IS bad for the body. Eating cooked flesh of any animal is not what humans were “meant to do”. Unless you are going to tear raw flesh from animals with your teeth, you are not living the same diet as the cavepeople and it’s the cooking and the preservatives and hormones in meats today that make them “different” and not as healthy.

    I don’t understand why Americans don’t understand the French Woman. It’s called MODERATION. You can eat rich foods and wine ALL day and never gain a pound if you’re not shoveling in 2 pounds of shitty fast food. I think we the problem could be easily solved by making McDonald’s, BK, Arby’s, etc. illegal. Shut them down and have a law against food that’s meant to be addictive and make you fat.

    Fat will NEVER be beautiful and never has been and yet more and more people try to act like it is. Americans are lazy as shit, that’s why.

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  410. the key to being slim or losing weight is fairly simple.

    eat less food wear smaller sizes.

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  411. on July 29, 2009 at 8:16 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Wrong chic. WRONG!

    Fat people that eat less food have their bodies go into “survival” mode, which means their metabolism will slow down making it even harder for them to burn off their fat.

    Eat as much REAL food as you can, avoid all Processed, manufactured FAKE food, and minimize the starches, refined sugars and carbs. This will lower the insulin in your system (the fat storage hormone) and you will begin to burn off the stored fat tissue.

    You have to eat fat to burn fat…that is, natural saturated fats with the optimal balance of Omega 3 and 6 fatty acids.

    It’s eating non-fibrous and/or refined carbs that make you store it.

    It’s really that simple.

    Than, you will in a matter of time be wearing smaller sizes.

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  412. on July 29, 2009 at 8:16 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Wrong chic. WRONG!

    Fat people that eat less food have their bodies go into “survival” mode, which means their metabolism will slow down making it even harder for them to burn off their fat.

    Eat as much REAL food as you can, avoid all Processed, manufactured FAKE food, and minimize the starches, refined sugars and carbs. This will lower the insulin in your system (the fat storage hormone) and you will begin to burn off the stored fat tissue.

    You have to eat fat to burn fat…that is, natural saturated fats with the optimal balance of O m e g a 3 and 6 fatty acids.

    It’s eating non-fibrous and/or refined carbs that make you store it.

    It’s really that simple.

    Than, you will in a matter of time be wearing smaller sizes.

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  413. dave, don’t believe the hyperbole, there is a reason weight loss info is so confusing . A fat person who eats 3 big macs per day,will lose weight when he cuts down to 1.5 big macs per day. metabolism slows as people lose weight because it takes less energy to power around 150 lbs versus 200 lbs.

    Why do you think the French are so thin? their portions are smaller, if they ate the same size portions we Americans eat, they would gain weight.

    the French eat pastries but pastries that are much smaller in size than what we eat.

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  414. Hell my wife now we planned a big ass wedding even I was all fucking excited about killing some cows and eating em. Push came to shove though I made a descision on the spot week of wedding not to spend the money period. There was no argueing. I made one explanation of finances and that I had made descision not to do it in best interest of our family and prob to test her again. Anyway she passed with flying colors. They made do cooked a bunch of stuff to hand out to family cheap and I didn’t have to blow an extra 10k or more I didn’t feel comfortable spending at the time.

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  415. the vast majority of Men really don’t care about where you went to school or what you do for a living

    Unless you’re David Alexander. 🙂

    I still don’t think that your average college educated man can bring home an high school grad with no career prospects home to his parents with out some degree of reservation or nagging on the part of his family.

    those who pursue a career course are taking a serious gamble-and by all accounts are beginning to lose, bigtime

    I don’t think it’s that bad. You get some time with an alpha and some degree of financial independence. It’s probably not that bad given the alternative which is having to deal with a beta for the next forty to fifty years of your life.

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  416. Tood: Dood. You are pretty hardcore. As in the hard core in your head where your brain should be. Jeez.

    er… as opposed to the brilliant prose you write, you disease-laden faggot?

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  417. on July 29, 2009 at 8:59 pm Dave from Hawaii

    dave, don’t believe the hyperbole, there is a reason weight loss info is so confusing . A fat person who eats 3 big macs per day,will lose weight when he cuts down to 1.5 big macs per day. metabolism slows as people lose weight because it takes less energy to power around 150 lbs versus 200 lbs.

    LMAO…chic, this is like you trying to tell roissy how to pick up the russian exchange student at the nightclub.

    Dear, how about a fat person doesn’t eat ANY big macs (and especially the fries and soda that come at as a “value” meal), and eats a huge, grass fed steak and sauteed vegetables until he cannot eat another bite because he’s so full of the fats and proteins….and he eats like that at every single meal.

    His “calorie” counts will be off the charts…yet he would still lose weight.

    No dear, the “hyperbole” is the utter LIE that has become the conventional wisdom about “calories.” The eat less/exercise more explanation for how to lose weight is one of the reason’s why this nation is fatter than it has ever been at any time in our history.

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  418. Blacks pointing to distant history for proof of their greatness remind me of two things:

    1. White supremists who point to some great things whites have done as proof of their own, individual worth. Most of these white supremists are not very accomplished as individuals.

    2. The Catholic Church. I was raised Catholic, and as I grew up I began to wonder why all the greatest days of the Church, including all the really great Saints and miracles, were very much in the past, and a bit hard to document. After a while, I understood why.

    I think that current reality is our best guide to understanding the past. It is like any science. We reconstruct the past by applying scientific principles or facts we can demonstrate to be true today to events in the past. We assume that facts and scientific principles are constant throughout space and time. This extrapolation allowed Newton to calculate Kepler’s laws of planetary motion, for example.

    So, given the current situation of Africans in modern Western culture, and seeing their situation in authentic African cultures, and given the belief that humans haven’t changed much in one thousands years, how likely is it that many black Africans rose to positions of eminence in Roman times? I doubt the Romans had affirmative action.

    And, I suppose that some blacks are happy to claim as “their own” the accomplishments of people who were 75% non-black.

    We had 18 shootings in Baltimore City last weekend. Here in Baltimore City, we call that a good year so far.

    The senseless violence factor operates in every country they live in.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8172967.stm

    Plenty of guys kill women, but, like O.J., some people really go over the top with the violence. Sorta like they are just out of control, you know?

    Sorry for the racial stuff, but Roissy’s blog often gets overrun by this nonsense. Not his fault. He just seems to attract a peculiar type of reader.

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  419. Re: Blacks/Whites/Europeans. We have a lot of contemporary writings by Greeks, Egyptians, Persians, Carthaginians, Phoenicians, and Romans about what Europeans were like before the Roman Empire. Conclusion: not much. Nor were Europeans anything other than smelly, unbathed, uncouth, illiterate, mostly pagan, and near total failures during the Dark Ages. Suddenly, out of nowhere, Christian monogamy and small-holding, even in feudalism, produces astonishing architecture, rivaling the Romans, and with far less resources, and eventually more in the Renaissance. Suggesting that culture can be decisive in working it’s way through a society, with something as simple and powerful as sexual selection for cooperation, intelligence, and individualism. No one would have chosen your average Goth or Saxon in AD 600 as the forebearers for future world-beaters. But there it is.

    WRT obesity, my own coal-mining ancestors in PA, used to wolf down god awful amounts of steaks, pies, minced meats, and other stuff out the Pennsylvania Dutch cuisine. Health food it wasn’t. But people did so much hard, physical labor then that it did not matter. Working on the railroad even was tough and brutal. Physically demanding (in the era of steam locomotives). Try shoveling coal. For 12 hours straight. In a moving train.

    Processed food is undoubtedly an issue. But so is the private auto, and labor saving devices that make life easier. Nobody walks three miles to work anymore, and when there puts in a hard, physically demanding day. [Well, except some guys in the military. I read about one General, he jogged 10 miles from his home in Brooklyn to his job at some institute in Manhattan every day. Just to keep fit AND mentally alert.]

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  420. Joel the violence is not senseless. Shootings like in Baltimore are done by guys who know that doing it will directly or indirectly get them laid. It’s as simple and as ugly as that.

    I know for a fact that gang-banging types never lack for female companionship.

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  421. whiskey wrote:

    Joel the violence is not senseless. Shootings like in Baltimore are done by guys who know that doing it will directly or indirectly get them laid. It’s as simple and as ugly as that.

    And so Whiskey got in fights to attract girls.

    I wonder what kind of girls that attracts?

    Whiskey also puts every woman on a pedestal, and puts the women he sleeps with on a super-pedestal. Super-beta-provider mode.

    I wonder what kind of girls like that?

    I wonder if those two groups of girls are the same?

    Now whiskey, I’m not going to hold your hand, because I really don’t like you, but if you think really hard about those three questions, I think you’ll understand your life a whole lot better.

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  422. @joel and whiskey- why are you bringing up that race crap again. We are beyond that( for tonight).

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  423. fyi doug and whiskey

    With their creation of super sized options and overwhelmingly mind blowing tasty crap food, American women are getting bigger and bigger thereby making the pool of attractive women smaller and smaller.

    If you don’t write an argument for American men, please write it for your tax dollars. Type II Diabetes is the number one expenditure for medicare. Many of the overweight and obese people you see walking down the streets will be in need of insulin (very expensive) within the next 10 years. You connect the dots.
    P.S. diabetes often makes men impotent.

    dave The eat less/exercise more explanation for how to lose weight is one of the reason’s why this nation is fatter than it has ever been at any time in our history.

    when I went to paris this was not the case. In NYC compared to other parts of the country this is not the case. “Our” fat people for the most part, don’t blimp like elsewhere and most can handle a few flights of stairs. exercise is something simple like waking 30-60 per day. why are people so fat now but most of our grandparents and great-grandparents where thin when they were our age?

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  424. not only were both carthaginians and Romans black, thus making the Punic wars an early version of on the Congo wars during the 90s, but the entire war was started because the white power of the time, the Persian Empire, had divided the Mediterranean ignoring the tribal borders and the vibrant diversities of the proud black peoples of the Mediterranean Basin

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  425. on July 29, 2009 at 10:06 pm Willard Libby

    whiskey

    Joel the violence is not senseless. Shootings like in Baltimore are done by guys who know that doing it will directly or indirectly get them laid. It’s as simple and as ugly as that.

    Baltimore crime blogspot

    Murder Ink

    Inside the Game : interview with a Baltimore crack dealer

    You blow some on food, women too?

    It’s constantly going and going, you’re trying to save money up but it’s hard. You got to hit off women, people in the neighborhood. You got big bashes.

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  426. on July 29, 2009 at 10:09 pm Dave from Hawaii

    chic – there are vast differences between Europe and America…and Europe does not have the exercise mania America has today.

    Most people are fat because of the preponderance of simple carbohydrates, and refined grains are found in almost every aspect of our food supply…coupled with a low-fat/non-fat paradigm that has everyone thinking that as long as they’re eating the “non-fat/low-fat/lite” food products in the grocery stores, they’ll be fine.

    It’s funny…people love to point to fast food as the key to making people fat…but they almost always implicate the MEAT in the meal as the culprit, when in actuality, if you were to look at the percentages of content, you would quickly see that carbohydrates are a much more significant portion of the meal than the protein or fat. The High Fructose Corn Syrup Super Sized soda, the white flour, partially hydrogenated oiled hamburger bun, the starchy potatoes fried in oxidized and rancid soybean oil…all of these ingredients are typical in any fast food “value” meal.

    Yet people default to the “eating greasy burgers” will make you fat.

    Check out the movie Fathead.

    By drinking water, avoiding the fries, and eating the meat, cheese and veggies on a fast food burger, you can actually lose weight eating fast food meals every day. (That doesn’t mean you’ll be healthy…the fast food meat and veggies are certainly inferior and loaded with chemicals like MSG…but still, it won’t promote fat accumulation if you cut out the starches and sugars).

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  427. Dear, how about a fat person doesn’t eat ANY big macs (and especially the fries and soda that come at as a “value” meal), and eats a huge, grass fed steak and sauteed vegetables until he cannot eat another bite because he’s so full of the fats and proteins….and he eats like that at every single meal.

    His “calorie” counts will be off the charts…yet he would still lose weight.

    You’re both right. If someone changes the quality of their diet to higher quality of food like you describe, they will lose weight despite a high calorie count. But chic is also right. If a dude keeps the food quality the same and is eating a certain amount a day to maintain that weight, cutting that daily diet in half while keeping the quality the same will also make him lose weight. His body composition will be shitty and his metabolism will drop for the reasons chic says but he’ll lose weight.

    Your way is a better way to lose weight that will give a better body composition (most of weight lost will be fat not muscle). What Chic describes is a worse way because it will cause metabolism drop and worse body composition (more muscle lost than fat, body fat % goes up). But she’s not wrong about somebody losing weight when cutting their diet in half when all other factors are kept constant.

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  428. Basically, you can eat shitty quality food with lots or refined carbs and processed crap but if you eat small enough portions that your calories ingested are less than the calories burned by your basal metabolic rate (resting metabolism), you will lose weight. If you make the dietary changes Dave suggests though, you can eat way more calories a day than you can when eating crappy processed food and not gain weight.

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  429. there are vast differences between Europe and America…and Europe does not have the exercise mania America has today.

    Dave, the Dutch eat a lot of patatoes. I agree with you liquid calories, very wastful and I’m not a fan of fructose corn syrup. The Dutch also ride bikes. Europeans walk more than the average American. I useed Paris as my example because it’s a very cosmopolitan racially and ethnically mixed city. When I visited the blk arondismont(eurosaba help), the overwhelming majority of blk women were thin to medium sized. That contrasts with the 78% of BW in the states who are overweight. So the weight issue isn’t due to genetics but diet and lack of exercise(movement).

    a low-fat/non-fat paradigm that has everyone thinking that as long as they’re eating the “non-fat/low-fat/lite” food products in the grocery stores, they’ll be fine.
    I’m not for any type of fad diet. I believe it’s important to eat smaller portions of food. Most people can’t handle the micheal phellps/ jerry hall diet of 10k and remain very slim. I don’t care what type of food they are eating.

    I agree that people should eat more fruit and vegtables but I’m up in the air on meat. I’m sure a little is fine but eating too much meat in unhealthy. Dave when I vistied Paris, portions where noticablly smaller. I didn’t see any 20 ounch or 1 liter bottles of soda in the convience stores. The portions in mcDonalds were smaller too.

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  430. P.S.

    Dave, McDonalds have the best fries 🙂

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  431. @Dave in Hawaii:

    “You can eat meat at every single meal, and it would not make you overweight, at all.”
    Yes, but it isn’t healthy.

    You shouldn’t be doing that. I’m not saying that everyone should be vegetarian, I’m saying that for OVERALL health, it’s better to cut back on the meat a little. (Unless you’re an athlete with a special diet)

    I’m not promoting carbs or vegetarianism. I am promoting an increased consumption of fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts (though some are better than others), etc.

    ALSO: Trans fats are still obviously the worst fats. Why? Because not only do the molecules stack on one another in your arteries, they BOND to one another (yay for alkenes) and form a giant fatty blockage. 😀

    Also, while saturated fats won’t make you fat, it is important to note that they WILL raise your cholesterol. Eating cholesterol (such as cholesterol in eggs) won’t (or at least not as badly as if you eat tons of saturated fats). Irony.

    @GhostofNicole:

    Well, yes, but who eats margarine anyway?

    I’m saying that there’s a difference between normal French butter and normal American butter.

    Ordinary French butter is richer, and has more fat.

    And honestly, I don’t care what either you or Dave in Hawaii say about this, a high consumption of all fats, any fats, will result in an increased risk of heart disease.

    I think we can all agree that the key is moderation.

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  432. on July 29, 2009 at 10:37 pm Dave from Hawaii

    That’s a good point Joe….but what I was getting at was simply that chic was basically restating the popular misconception that weight gain and/or loss is simply a function of Eat less/Exercise more.

    To put it simply, it’s really all about the insulin. Eat more fat and protein and limit your carbs to fibrous veggies and eat no sugar, and starchy foods like potatoes, pasta and bread and your body will burn glycogen as it’s fuel. When the slow digesting proteins and fats are used up, your body will start to burn it’s stored fat…i.e. you lose weight.

    Eat a lot of carbohydrates at every meal, and your body will burn glucose for fuel.

    The problem with glucose is that your body burns it up really quickly…but not as quick as you can eat it. This is why eating sugar or starchy carbs will cause your blood sugar to rise quickly, because they digest so quickly. These carbs will make your blood sugar rise at a far higher level than you can burn off…so your body produces insulin to store all of that excess glucose as fat.

    Yet, once the initial amount of glucose is used up, the rest of the food you ate got stored. This is why people who eat a lot of carbs have dramatic energy fluctuations, and need to eat or drink sugar and caffeine constantly. They get caught in a vicious cycle of eat carbs – digest more sugar than you can use right away – store that excess sugar as fat – the non-stored sugars are used up, causing you to be hungry again…so go eat more carbs…

    This is why Americans are fatter than ever before.

    The typical american will start their day have a low fat skim milk and all grain cereal…or a bagel with jelly, a sugary coffee drink from starbucks, or a cup of yogurt and a bunch of fruit…thinking it’s healthy because it’s low fat or vegetarian…not realizing that they are simply starting their day on the high carb glucose roller coaster that encourages fat accumulation.

    Europeans, on the other hand, have no compunction of starting their day off with bacon, eggs, sausages, mushrooms and a toast slathered in butter.

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  433. dave in hawaii The problem with glucose is that your body burns it up really quickly…but not as quick as you can eat it……

    I guess that’s why elite runners and swimmers(sprint) like hi carb diets.

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  434. Dave in Hawaii:
    “Europeans, on the other hand, have no compunction of starting their day off with bacon, eggs, sausages, mushrooms and a toast slathered in butter.”

    Proteins. ^

    I see what you’re getting at.

    A European-type breakfast you described (in smaller portions, goodness) would probably make a lot of people feel better and a lot more alert in the morning. It gives a more stable sort of energy, instead of a sudden sugar rush and a crash.

    Although fruit and yoghurt (or fruit and cottage cheese) usually makes a pretty good breakfast. Certainly better than coffee and doughnuts, or skim milk and cereal. And certain fruits contain more sugars than others, so I think that would also play a role.

    I have an Austrian friend who still can’t get accustomed to American style breakfast. It’s not like she eats all the “wrong foods,” she eats things that have less sugar. Wheat bread with cheese and meat, etc. She doesn’t understand how Americans can eat cereals or doughnuts for breakfast.

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  435. dave Europeans, on the other hand, have no compunction of starting their day off with bacon, eggs, sausages, mushrooms and a toast slathered in butter.

    Actually, the French eat a very lite breakfast. Usually a bit of fruit or croissant and a bit of jam with coffee and small OJ. The French don’t eat the heavy breakfast that Americans do.
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  436. on July 29, 2009 at 10:47 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Mandy – You’ve just restated the whole pack of lies that has been spread by giant agricultural corporations to get the masses to adopt the exact attitude that you have.

    “Limit your meat and eat plant based foods!”

    Plant based foods…like plant based white flour bread and pasta? Plant based high fructose corn syrup? Plant based soybean vegetable oil? Plant based hydorlized soy protein?

    Yeah, right.

    I’ve done extensive research on the topic, and let me tell you something dear:

    All of those articles and reports that have been written over the years regarding cholesterol, saturated fats and meat are all biased, subjective studies designed to come to predetermined conclusions rather than reach scientific proof.

    The majority of the “studies” were in fact self reported questionnaires of senior citizens asking them what they ate for the past two years. Bullshit questions like: in the last month how many times have you eaten pizza, hamburgers or hotdogs? a)1-5 b)6-10 c)11-15 d)16-20

    After administering a bunch of idiotic questions like this (what if the people ordered cheese pizza one day, than the meat lovers on another…is there not a difference in meat consumption?), they then look at the statistical rates of cancer amongst the old folks that bothered to respond, and than make these weaselly “Eating meat more than a few times a week MAY raise your risk of cancer, therefore you should eat a diet mainly consisting of plants, like fruits grains and vegetables.”

    It’s a lie.

    You want to learn the truth, here’s a good starting point:

    http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.php/2009/07/07/warning-bologna-may-cause-cancer-headlines/

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  437. gig

    not only were both carthaginians and Romans black, thus making the Punic wars an early version of on the Congo wars during the 90s, but the entire war was started because the white power of the time, the Persian Empire, had divided the Mediterranean ignoring the tribal borders and the vibrant diversities of the proud black peoples of the Mediterranean Basin

    LoL

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  438. Some ideas about diet:

    Fish is a happy medium in all of this protein/fat/carbsareevil debate:
    http://www.asianonlinerecipes.com/health-fitness/fish-nutrients.php

    fibre-rich cereal for breakfast. or oatmeal.

    Sorted?

    Dave: Not avoiding carbs altogether re: well-known effects of (perhaps ‘old’) Atkins diet. Recall how many obese people are insulin resistant/type II. So not easy to keep that insulin down. Possibly more effective when talking about prevention in a person’s healthy diet.

    Good carbs: Fresh vegetables.

    chic: Eating less… not just less than what they normally eat you understand. Somewhere along the lines of recommended daily allowance.

    And yes, exercising. Increasing lean body mass (i.e. basal metabolic rate) as well as everyday energy consumption.

    It all works and a combination of the above is most likely effective.

    The psychological effects of having a balance to check one’s weight and being able to calculate BMI (not perfect, but a rough indicator for most) also seem important.

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  439. chic noir

    The French don’t eat the heavy breakfast that Americans do.

    The English are the ones for heavy breakfasts. Don’t know about the Germans.

    Don’t Americans usually just have a bowl of cereal? Fast and easy? Albeit too often mom caves to sugared cereals.

    There’s been an unfortunate move to pop tarts and so on. All sugar and refined carbs and maybe jellies – more sugar amid fruity flavor but not vitamins.

    (My suggestion: 1/4 cup pre water/cook of instant oatmeal. 2.22 minutes in my microwave. (that’s fast to push and about right.) Mostly fiber and water. Few calories. Add fake sugar and a touch of full bore cream. Delich. Fast. Not many calories. Lots of fibre. Good oat lowering cholesterol.)

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  440. on July 29, 2009 at 10:54 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Not just protein Mandy, FAT.

    The point about a high protein/fat diet is not “smaller portions.” It’s that your body was designed to signal you are full based on the amount of fat in your food (fat is were animals and plants store most of their usable nutrients).

    Eating a breakfast of eggs and bacon will make you feel full as soon as you actually are, and you no longer want to eat of your own accord.

    Carbs, on the other hand, won’t give you that signal until much later.

    Ever eat a huge plate of spaghetti and felt fine for about 5-10 minutes…and than suddenly you feel like your belly is going to explode?

    That’s because carbs, though they fill up your belly, they don’t satisfy your bodies nutrient requirements.

    Yes, smaller portions like the French eat will help (smaller portions means less carbs overall)…but they still eat a diet rich in cheese, creams, dark chocolates, and meat like pate, sausages etc. Yeah, they’ll have croissants and such…but the ratio of carbs to proteins and fats are much smaller than the typical American diet.

    I spent three weeks gallivanting across the UK in 2006, and I ate the “breakfast” offered at every B&B I stayed at in England, Scotland and Ireland. Every single day, eggs fried in butter, bacon, black pudding (blood sausage) mushrooms fried in butter and bacon grease. The only carbs were a piece of toast.

    I thought I’d put on weight eating like that.

    Came back from vacation…and found I had lost 5 lbs…despite drinking beer and whiskey every single day.

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  441. on July 29, 2009 at 10:59 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Bhetti – Atkins diet has been completely corrupted from the actual diet the Doctor originally came up with. It is now a corporation dedicated to selling “Atkins” diet products to overweight people.

    Yes, you should get just about ALL of your carbohydrates from mostly vegetables – especially dark green leafy ones.

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  442. Mandy–

    She doesn’t understand how Americans can eat cereals or doughnuts for breakfast.

    Cereals vary widely. Sugary ones are bad. When the sugar crash comes and it will in a couple of hours it tend to make you hungry for more empty calorie sugary things.

    High fiber ones are much better. Oatmeal. Cheerios. Special K. Bran nuts or flakes. And some others.

    Avoid carbs, not fat or meat protein. but don’t overeat generally and get lots of fresh veggies of a variety of colors (proxy for varying nutrients). Salmon and other omega 3 oily foods are especially good.

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  443. @chic – “I guess that’s why elite runners and swimmers(sprint) like hi carb diets.”

    My sisters are marathon runners and they only go hi-carb before a race. It’s a fuel source not a food source for them.

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  444. @Dave in Hawaii:

    “Plant based foods…like plant based white flour bread and pasta? Plant based high fructose corn syrup? Plant based soybean vegetable oil? Plant based hydorlized soy protein?”

    Just become some plant based foods are fail, doesn’t mean all are.

    What if I were to say,”Well, let’s see, McDonald’s chicken is a processed piece of crap, so we shouldn’t eat ANY meat?” That would be ridiculous.

    I’m saying that it’s not a great idea to eat meat at every meal.

    And your ideas just represent why so many Americans are fat: apparently you think that french fries are a vegetable.

    So how about this. Why don’t we try plant based BROCCOLI? Or plant based CARROTS? Or plant based BANANAS? Or how about plant based SPINACH?

    And you know what? We can still eat ANIMAL BASED EGGS (protein). And plant based nuts (more protein). And ANIMAL BASED meat, whether it’s fish or chicken or beef.

    How does that sound to you? You see, IMO, plant based soybean oil or sunflower oil used to fry potato chips isn’t any different than “chicken based” McDonald’s chicken nuggets.

    ALSO, another lesson, since you seem to fail at understanding organic chemistry,alkenes have different isomers. They can be cis or trans. On the Carbon-carbon double bond, two of the same groups can be adjacent to one another, or across from one another. If they are adjacent, they are cis. Cis fats will not stack on eachother. Alkanes (unsaturated fats) will most likely, based on their structure, stack on eachother. Now, trans fats (back to alkenes) will stack and BOND to one another, forming a solid fatty mass in your artery.

    This isn’t based on some stupid “old people” surveys, this is based on organic chemistry. Take it or leave it.

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  445. Anon — it’s a matter of fact that gangbangers get the girls. Violence, where it’s known you’re dealing it out, see Willard Libby’s link below, gets you laid. It’s true for Chavs, Mexican gangbangers, and Black hood rats.

    I never got in fights with girls. I’ve LOST girls by going into beta mode, after I’ve won them with with aloof and amused indifference (suggesting they were just barely good enough for me). LTR still eludes me (because I get lazy).

    I could care less if you like me or not. NONE of the girls I ever got ever knew how many fights I got into, in fact nearly all my fights were anonymous, “let’s go” affairs in HS where in fact I was a dateless wonder. Since no one knew I was fighting, that wasn’t the point (and it was a lot different than a drive by to make a name). My biggest success came in, naturally, College fueled by booze and in my late twenties. There my presentation was arty-educated aloof guy. For a certain type of girl, it’s pretty easy. That makes me probably utterly average.
    ——————–
    It’s still I think daily exercise. Cars and appliances take off so much calorie load that most people simply don’t exercise like they did in the past. This is particularly true with modern standards of hygiene and tastefulness. No one wants to walk or bike 15 miles to the office and be all icky and smelly and sweaty. So people try and sweat as little as possible until they come home. Back in the day, before modern autos were owned by everyone, nearly everyone walked. A lot. Everywhere.

    Funny Gig.

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  446. *because

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  447. Carbs are cheap.

    That’s what the agricultural revolution was about. Lots of cheap peasants, supporting some cities and a class division and specialization and people who could specialize in inventing things and writing stories and what not.

    Carbs are peasant food. They’ve also become agribusiness food, and made very flavorful with sugar and salt and skillful spices because it’s so profitable because they’re basically so cheap, but can be sold more dear if made flavorful.

    Avoid peasant food. Except fisherman food. Well they’re hunters not peasants.

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  448. Dave: It’s that your body was designed to signal you are full based on the amount of fat in your food (fat is were animals and plants store most of their usable nutrients).
    True. IIRC, this stops working so well if at all in an obese person.

    Yes, you should get just about ALL of your carbohydrates from mostly vegetables – especially dark green leafy ones.

    Heuristics for the memory-impaired: when in doubt, dark leafy green is probable source of vitamin/mineral you’d like to name.

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  449. mandy–

    I’m saying that it’s not a great idea to eat meat at every meal.

    It’s not necessary but there’s nothing wrong with it. Well not if we replace every meal with every day.

    Good idea to eat dairy when not meat. Beans tend to have a lot of carbs and very incomplete protein. More peasant food.

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  450. Mandy: Easy. I’m pretty sure at the very least that the Evil of Trans Fats is unquestionable.

    Sheesh kebab, woman. You’ve been very short with people. You need to take a chill pill (with a pinch of dill).

    I’m worried you’re going to turn into Dan.

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  451. on July 29, 2009 at 11:20 pm Dave from Hawaii

    LMAO – Mandy, if you’d slow down a bit, you’d see that we actually agree more than we disagree.

    Only that your major point is that you should in fact not eat so much meat is wrong…other than that, I’m simply trying to tell you that in fact the entire “plant based diet” meme was designed precisely to fool people into avoiding meat and animal products and to keep buying all of the mass produced “plant based” diet food PRODUCTS.

    Broccoli..carrots, cucumbers, cauliflower, spinach, kale, sprouts, squash, lettuce, onions, garlic…that’s all stuff I eat everyday…along with generous servings of meat and dairy.

    And there is historical evidence of native populations that subsist almost entirely on meat and fat, and they had no instances of heart disease, diabetes, or cancer. The inuit, the plains indians, the masai. Almost no fruits or vegetables in their diet…yet they thrived. That is, until the white man came and got them hooked on white flour, sugar and all the other garbage that people nowadays laughingly think of as “food.”

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  452. @doug1:

    “Good idea to eat dairy when not meat. Beans tend to have a lot of carbs and very incomplete protein. More peasant food.”

    Yeah, that’s why yoghurt (not nonfat yoghurt or whips or whatever else they sell nowadays), 100% yoghurt, or cheese, or cottage cheese, and whole milk (but especially cheese and cottage cheese) are so satisfying.

    I like to call them my non-faint foods. I have low blood sugar, and most assume that I need to eat more refined sugars to compensate for it, but instead I focus on “non faint” foods, occassionally accompanied with somewhat sugary foods (fruit). A diet like that, void of chips, doughnuts, and junk food (although I do sneak pieces of dark chocolate occasionally) has kept me from fainting in a long time, and it’s really good.

    Most think that when someone’s about to faint from low blood sugar, the best thing to give them is a highly sugary soft drink, when it’s the worst they can do. They will probably faint anyway, after a sudden projectile vomit session. Don’t do it.

    @Bhetti:

    I don’t know why I’ve been that way. I think I need to be stretched out so I can be long with people.

    And who’s Dan?

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  453. Bhetti–

    We’ve been officially requested by Chic Noir to flirt more once again to lift her’s and others’ spirits:

    2.Doug, I would like for you to flirt with bhetti again. With all the female and nam hate floating around these parts, it’s nice to see some love going. The two of you have made me smile a number of times.

    I was gonna tell her we flirt more than ever and in fact way worse in every way but just not on here but rather privately, but hadn’t gotten around to it. (Also that there’s a lot of black disdain for white males stuff floating around here too, but that would only further support her point I think.)

    What say you sex bint?

    Of course there will be grouses too. (Jealous mostly.)

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  454. chic noir,

    Three things I would like to see happen around these parts:

    You are neglecting your own duties around here.

    Since you posted a prior video of your own specialized expertise as an audition tape, I shall grant you the privilege you seek. At 9 PM on Saturday, you will be permitted to :

    Detox my Buttox.

    – GB

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  455. I do not want to discourage anyone from avoiding simple carbs absolutely, or more complex carbs generally. But it is so easy to over-claim what is actually understood about nutrition.
    Everyone wants to talk about insulin effects. Do you know the half-life, ie the persistance in the serum, of human insulin? (I bet Bhetti does) It is like 7 or 8 minutes. It is obviously quite evanescent. Almost as soon as blood sugar starts falling insulin effect STOPS cold.
    As I see it, here are the facts that matter: If you exercise you will not lose muscle no matter what.
    If you do not use muscles they will wither no matter what.’
    Natural fats and proteins do a much better job of turning off the hungeries per calorie than carbs.
    Steroids stoke your appetite, shrink your balls, and make pink stretch marks spiral across your arms and chest.

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  456. @Dave from Hawaii:

    LOL we do agree.

    It’s just that I use the meme to apply to my idea of eating, which doesn’t include doughnuts, chips, and other crap found in American diet, because IMO that isn’t food.

    A doughnut and a cup of coffee will not make a meal. That isn’t a meal and never will be. You might as well eat bowls of jello.

    And I don’t consider doghnuts to be plant-based anything.
    (although, in all technicality, they are)

    I just assume that people automatically know what I’m saying and they don’t. I’m sorry.

    And as an afterthought–
    I’m not saying everything I do is perfect; after all, I am a huge fan of baking dessert bread, although I don’t use refined sugar (I use dark brown sugar in everything) and I use “natural ingredients” (fruit). It’s still not “super healthy” and should never ever serve as a meal substitute.

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  457. Bhetti–

    Sheesh kebab, woman.

    I love sheesh kebab woman.

    And from there was drawn increasing to a love of things Arab.

    Is there no hope for me?

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  458. i eat rabbits.

    medium rare, on a sesame seed bun. salmon caught with my bare hands. and chicken roasted on a camp fire.

    and i drink boiled salt water.

    fuckin health freaks.

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  459. Bugs Bunny hates you.

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  460. Rabbit’s not half bad.

    Kind of like a super gamey chicken.

    Dark meat chicken big time, sort of.

    Definitely flavorful.

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  461. Kittens hate you.

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  462. Rabbit tastes a lot like spotted owl with the right basting.

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  463. Mandy–

    I’ve never eaten kitten actually.

    (I’m almost ashamed to say.)

    What’s it taste like?

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  464. Rum: Exactly, balance.
    To summarise:
    — low on the bad carbs: simple sugars
    — low on the bad fats: trans especially, careful w/cholesterol and saturated.
    — high on fat/protein
    — high on fibre
    — moderate/high on good carbs
    — Exercise and bulk (no steroids)
    — regardless, watch your portions
    — obese people have it hard. Prevention. Easier to not gain fat than to lose it.

    Mandy: Dan=Dan-a.

    Personally, I was a fan of just eating whatever’s enjoyable as long as I was keeping a reasonable weight.

    Then sugar-free daddy imposed his iron will 😉

    Doug: roissy doesn’t like it, right? or was that something else? He’s very, very, very scary. (Talk about being sheesh kebabed) Torn. You’re also utterly frightening in a different way. Conflict. I’m going explode in a puff of pink cardamom smoke which I’m convinced will one day be my fate after Kamal drew that image.

    Nah, whatever makes you happy regardless of the (hopefully not forthcoming) roissyquences.

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  465. lilmisspiggy mandy, i ate him in 3 2 servings.

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  466. Doug: kittens? Bite me and find out xD

    chic: look what you did.

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  467. Rum

    Rabbit tastes a lot like spotted owl with the right basting

    What a snob!!!

    I’ve never had spotted owl. Alas.

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  468. Bhetti

    Doug: kittens? Bite me and find out xD

    You know what that invites, right? Of course you do.

    It invites me to talk about biting you, and eating you, yeah eating you a lot, and tasting you and ….

    But that might not be exactly, precisely, precisely on point.

    About the flavor of spit roasted kitten I mean.

    Can anyone help here?

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  469. Doug: *blush* No, I didn’t know that…

    Quit fronting. You’ve spitted and roasted many kittens.

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  470. Enjoy the meat of spit roasted kitten with a clear conscience. Everyone who has spent time around cats knows that they are perfectly ruthless opportunitists. If their human ” owner” were somehow to skrink down to the size of a mouse our beloved cat, our devoted soul-mate would bit us deeply thru the bases of our skulls and go, off looking for queit place to feed.

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  471. @dougie:

    I don’t know, I’ve never eaten one either.

    They just hate you. Because I said so.

    @collegeboy:

    “lilmisspiggy mandy, i ate him in 3 2 servings.”

    That was nice to know.

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  472. on July 30, 2009 at 2:57 am Cannon's Canon

    i once posed the question to chic noir
    of where i could find a close ‘dickfore.’
    “what is a dick for?” she asked

    whether angry or friendly
    it adds to the many
    times here she got put on blast

    to commenters like “the obsidian,”
    who demand the attentions of many men:
    consider the minds who relate

    when she cites you as first
    of her “fave comments,” worst
    is the place that you’ll probably take.


    thank you, peace to brooklyn and the jersey shore, goldman sachs zionist conspiracy and all that, buy that stock til it hits infinity and all other stocks are worth zero.

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  473. ””””””””’collegeboy
    i eat rabbits.

    medium rare, on a sesame seed bun. salmon caught with my bare hands. and chicken roasted on a camp fire.

    and i drink boiled salt water.

    fuckin health freaks.””””””””

    Dam your doing it.

    ”””””””’Cannon,
    thank you, peace to brooklyn and the jersey shore, goldman sachs zionist conspiracy and all that, buy that stock til it hits infinity and all other stocks are worth zero.””””””””

    lol then they short themselves and hit 0 next day.

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  474. Q: What’s worse than taking advice from a beta or a gay man or a feminist?

    A: Taking advice from a whole group of them, who are infesting the following site:

    http://incel.myonlineplace.org/forum/

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  475. Dave Alex,
    The problem, as is usually the case w/so many of your musings, is that they are based not on your own direct experience, but mere anecdote-others-at best.

    Hence, anything you say in these matters must be taken w/a good quaff of salt.

    What I am saying is born ofyears of direct experience and/or observation. More often than not, a high degree of both. By and large, Men simply don’t care all that much whether girlfriend works in Neiman Marcus or as one of the higherups in a Fortune 500-in fact, as I pointed out in my original comments, the more educated and affluent the Woman-especially Black-the higher her chances of being a Spinster. Its one of the dirty little secrets of Feminism that we all know to be true, because in one way or another we’ve all seen it, firsthand.

    Secondly, your point about college educated guys being worried about who they bring home, Dave, you’re in a timewarp. Americans simply don’t care all that much about such things anymore, if they ever did. We choose who we want to screw, spend our time with and share our bed and lives-and if our parents disapprove, well that’s just too bad.

    Glad to see you posting again. Now go get a life. 😉

    O

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  476. Just wanted to also mention that Cannon’s and Joe’s comments about The Wire, in reply to Whiskey’s comments about the supposed “Women friendly” shows like The Sorpranos, Deadwood and so on, were spot on.

    I mean, the more Whiskey talks on this subject. He’s only digging himself a deeper and a deeper hole. He really should just stop.

    On just about every point he could raise, he’s been shotdown multiple times by multiple posters-and keep in mind here, these posters aren’t necessarily in league w/each other on any other issue! But they all can clearly see that Whiskey is so off-base, and his views so personally and emotionally biased, that even a casual observer can see that the Man’s outta pocket.

    I wasn’t a fan of either The Sorpranos or Deadwood, in part because I simply didn’t have the time to watch them; but from what few episodes of each I did catch, it was pretty clear to me that they were most assuredly “guy shows”. And very well written/shot/casted, I might add. Saying that doesn’t in any way diminish my praise or interest in The Wire-clearly, I have a bias for the latter over the former because I can much more easily relate to the subject matter of the latter. I freely admit that fact. But I can be objective enough to admit that the other two shows were good in their own right.

    Whiskey on the other hand, simply cannot step outside of himself to even admit that virtualy every critic of any consequence had nothing but praise of The Wire, to say nothing of people he converses with on an almost daily basis right here(!). What is up with that?

    Whew.

    O

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  477. I would like more “takes” on Game from an other than Yuppiefied, White Male POV

    Nice dig there Obsidian. I guess ya just can’t halp yourself. Not that there is anythign wrong with that.

    But did you happen to notice that thre are very few guys here who would fit your “yuppified” label? By which I presume you mean educated upper middle class, like Doug1 and Esquire. And yuppified or not, their comments are pretty tight and interesting to non-yuppies too as far as I’m concerned.

    By the way, you might not know this, but “white male” is something that devolved into a term of contempt, like calling a black guy “boy.”

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  478. Might as well toss this one on the table while the iron’s still hot…

    In light of the recent discussion on Skip Gates, I wanted to just say that earlier this morning I read a very good piece by Steven Sailer on what he calls the Black Overclass, or another name he uses for that group, the Affirmative-Actionocracy.

    It’s at Taki’s Mag website.

    Sailer makes a number of very good points in his article-that the Black Overclass pretty much got where they are as a direct result of political manuerving; that they identify w/the rest of Black folk, and the Black Underclass, only to the extent that they must; that they tend to look like DuBois’ Talented Tenth (in skin tone), and that they pretty much have the same interests that any other group of hoity toitys in America have.

    Tru dat, I say. Tru dat.

    The problem I have w/Sailer and others who think like him, is their tendency to “Noble Negroize” the Black Overclass.

    For those who don’t know, the idea of the Noble Negro, or as Spike Lee once put it, the Magical Negro, is to in some way do things or advocate for things that Whites themselves wouldn’t or couldn’t; these figures are often major players in literature and film-think Michael Clark Duncan in the Green Mile, or Lawrence Fishburne in The Matrix series. Stuff like that. Noble Negroes are supposed to represented a kind of humanity that is far beyond the reach of the rest of us-“us” meaning, White folk.

    This explains why, for example, Black folk can’t be cantankerous, or belligerent, or idiosyncratic, even when Whites themselves say that such traits often come w/brilliance (see A Beautiful Mind). No, Blacks must be the perfect picture of gentility and civility at all times, come what may, and there’s Hell to be paid if they don’t.

    The same is here wrt Sailer’s Black Overclass piece for Taki’s Mag-he somehow has a problem w/said class using their privilege in ways that the White Overclass have always done it-and that includes the racial posturing. In fact, Whites did this at a time when Blacks, regardless of talent or industry/agency, were deliberately kept out, *precisely* to extend the power, reach and privilege, of the White Overclass. This is nothing new. Its been around as long as there have been human beings.

    Some have bitterly argued, that affirmative action is not only biased against “merit”, but that it favors one class of Blacks over another-the already somewhat talented and/or well connected, over the presumably less talented and most definitely less well connected, Blacks.

    Well, duh!-if affirmative action should work at all-and like it or not, it has worked, if by that definition is meant creating what Sailer calls a Black Overclass-shouldnt it work for those it can most help? I mean, for all the handwringing, bitching and moaning so many like Sailer do, about wasting money, talent and time trying to educate/advance inner city Blacks, why wouldn’t affirmative action not be effective in helping along say, a Barack Obama? I mean, wouldn’t that make sense?

    As Whiskey has already said, and I wholeheartedly agree, affirmative action is little more than an extension of the old rule of politics-punishing your friends, and rewarding your enemies. Only this time around, the Slaves got to be on. And lo and behold, they aint that much different than the Masters.

    Class and Race are two very real things in American life-two very, deeply uncomfortable things in American life. We don’t like to discuss them, really, because they both remind us that things aint always fair, more often than not they are brutally unfair, and that we may not be as talented as we might think. So much of life hinges on not what you know, but who, whom, and both these concepts-Race and Class-are perhaps the two biggest ways to find out just how much juice you have to make things real in your own life, to say nothing about anyone else’s.

    So it makes a lot of sense as to why the Skip Gates case, and President Obama’s recent remarks regarding it, would draw so much attention.

    I have more to say about this, but I’ll hold here as to allow y’all to holla back…

    The Obsidian

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  479. See my damie, wha ta da to the siney cow. Sepatown!

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  480. PA, w/all due respect, please. I defy you to refute the following premise:

    That the PUA community, of which this forum is a part, is predominantly White, Male, White-collar, college educated and at the very least, nominally middle class.
    True or false?

    Oh, and while you’re answering that question, you can also kindly point me to all the Union-cardholders in the PUA community, starting w/this forum. How many of them actually make a living w/their hands/back, PA? How many are firemen? Cops? Construction workers? We know Tupac’s a lineman, but we also know that he ain’t quite White in the way you yourself would recognize, based on past statements you’ve made.

    I want to see Game expanded in its discussion and scope because its there, real life is there, and in the realworld there are more than Yuppified White guys.

    And please note, that I never used the term as one of disparagement, nor have I ever said that said group of guys brought nothing of value to the table. My praise of Style puts that lie quickly to bed. Can’t get much more yuppified than him, right?

    My point is that there are other perspectives that we all could learn and grow from. In fact, Whiskey could learn a thing or two from me, a guy who has in so many ways a good deal less than him, yet is way happier in life, than he is. I’m the Black Innercity Prole, he’s the White Yuppie Left-Coaster. Only a blind person would attempt to argue that we sound alike.

    Speaking of which, I wanna address him more in detail, too. Coming soon.

    O

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  481. We choose who we want to screw, spend our time with and share our bed and lives-and if our parents disapprove, well that’s just too bad.

    I’m not talking about in terms of simply short-term relationships, but for a long-term relationship that may lead to marriage. By your assertion, some rich WASP can marry an illegal Mexican immigrant single mother who speaks no English with no penalty from his friends or family.

    Glad to see you posting again. Now go get a life.

    I’m too cheap and have no friends. I’d rather save up for travel go ride trains in foreign lands…

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  482. Dave Alex,
    Quick question: how many WASPs are there in America, presently? And, of that number, how many of them are upper middle class elite types? Because that’s who you’re talking about above-THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DON’T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT WHAT THEIR PARENTS THINK OF WHO THEY CHOOSE FOR A LIFE MATE.

    Fact.

    This is not India, Dave, where your parents can make or break who you marry.

    So, again…you were saying?

    O

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  483. Oh, and Dave?

    Stop making excuses. Being cheap has nothing to do w/you or anyone else having a life. You only need a few god friends, in fact, that’s all any Man needs.

    Now, like I said, go get a life. Your dad would want you to. Every son does for his boy.

    O

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  484. Geez, that Connor guy is a COMPLETE tool…….

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  485. @David Alexander

    “I’m not talking about in terms of simply short-term relationships, but for a long-term relationship that may lead to marriage.”

    Marriage is useless for a man. A relationship can be as long-term as the woman is willing to stick around before she realises that there will be no ring from a man who is wise enough to boycott marriage, so she leaves hoping to land a more probable sucker… or until he tires of her and performs the timely DTB.

    Whichever comes first.

    Women are only good for our sexual entertainment. For intellectual stimulation or simply having a good time with friends, hang out with the guys.

    And parental approval/consent/opinions about the woman whom you are screwing is not required. Since there will be no marriage, there will also be no meet-the-parents session. Similarly, no meet-my-friends/relatives/co-workers gatherings. The woman’s sole duty is to spread her legs. Knowing who I’m related to is none of her business.

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  486. Obsidian pontificated:

    I defy you to refute the following premise:

    That the PUA community, of which this forum is a part, is predominantly White, Male, White-collar, college educated and at the very least, nominally middle class.
    True or false?

    True:

    but in their defense, those white guys can read The Oppressor’s English, have ambition, jobs and college degrees with access privileges to computers – the racist warden’s restrictions, notwithstanding.

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  487. on July 30, 2009 at 2:18 pm Instafaggot

    Obsidian, why would anyone refute your claim? Never mind that you don’t have proof – although your assumptions are resonable. I’m concerned about one thing, however: Are you trying to say that being WASP (or whatever) is bad?

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  488. on July 30, 2009 at 2:24 pm Instafaggot

    Tood, you need to get back on my dick.

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  489. insta are you trying to illustrate how fags act to get thkilled?

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  490. …themeselves killed *

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  491. …themselves killed *

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  492. on July 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm Instafaggot

    daada…er…deeda….er…deda,…er….dana,

    To paraphrase Elton John:
    “The internet saved your life tonight”

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  493. yep, typos ruin everything

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  494. Spunk says, “Women are only good for our sexual entertainment.”

    So how much would an hour with your mom cost?

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  495. Firepower,
    You’re barking up the wrong tree here; I am not arguing that Yuppified White guys talking about Game is wrong, only limited. That’s it.

    Instafaggot, I never said there was anything inherently wrong w/WASPs. Please elaborate?

    O

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  496. @ obsidian
    The girls I am interested in are ALL in the group you described. Just to point how some people are happy in segmented marktes

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  497. Obsidian

    You’re barking up the wrong tree here; I am not arguing that Yuppified White guys talking about Game is wrong, only limited. That’s it.

    Yuppified White guys is an intentionally insulting terms.

    You are doing something you often do around here. You get agreement to one statement:

    That the PUA community, of which this forum is a part, is predominantly White, Male, White-collar, college educated and at the very least, nominally middle class.
    True or false?

    And then purported that it’s the equivalent of something else, i.e. here “Yuppified White guys”.

    Yuppified implies certain attitudes. Technically it’s only a class and age reference, but it implies cultural / political views. Ones which are more or less congruent with what the SWPL site parodies. By no means is the PUA community lead or populated by people that only have those perspectives. They tend to be much more cynical than yuppy types, and less interested in status jockeying as a consuming passion other than as a means to an end – lots of premium quality pussy. They tend to have realist attitudes. They’re very often not so materialist, again except somewhat, but as a means to a pussy end, while preferring by far to not focus on money game.

    In other words you’re right about the class and educational background of most who lead and try to learn from the PUA community but not your implication of cultural attitudes. As well various nationalities of Asians (it’s a rather big and diverse place that Asia) and Hispanics as well participate. The main group that doesn’t so much are blacks, from what I can tell.

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  498. Obsidian–

    You’re barking up the wrong tree here; I am not arguing that Yuppified White guys talking about Game is wrong, only limited. That’s it.

    Personally, I have zero interest in Roissy focusing more or at all on how to help lower class whites, or blacks of whatever class, do their own game better, since you seem to feel it’s so different. I’m fine that he’s largely interested in helping his own rough demographic.

    I’m also down on learning wisdom that blacks of various classes and styles can teach to white/Asian/Hispanic dudes, or that lower class more thuggish whites can. Roissy does do quite a bit of the later and you some of the former.

    However, if you want more specifically black focus maybe you should start your own site.

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  499. Obsidian–

    You’re barking up the wrong tree here; I am not arguing that Yuppified White guys talking about Game is wrong, only limited. That’s it.

    Sometimes limited is good. More focused on a particular group.

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  500. The O said – “I would like the ladies here to be a bit more forthcoming on what’s said, and perhaps even more importantly, to discuss why they’re even here to begin with? ”

    Hmmmm why do I come here and what do I think about what’s said here? Mostly it solidifies what I already believe to be true about men and women. We’re different. Women are built/wired for the most part to follow one leader/man and men are built to lead/provide. Men are also hard wired for sex. Ideally men and women would understand these differences and motivations and create an amazing relationship.

    The way I see it there are some men here who want to pull hottie’s and p & d them, there are men here who want to find a great ltr and there are men here who are simply trying to get a date let alone laid. The men here are for the most part educated, interesting, opinionated but may be intellectualizing things a bit too much. Women are not as difficult as some of you are making us out to be. Roissy as much as I find him somewhat misogynistic is accurate in his portrayal of what will get a woman. I think perhaps he dislikes us a bit for being so easy to figure out. I forgive myself and other women for this just like I forgive men for being who and what you are.

    I’m here to give a female perspective – a female perspective which fits with many of the views expressed here. I personally believe it would be much better to gain sympathetic female support for your worthwhile causes (i.e. no fault divorce, alimony, AA) then hate us as a gender. I’m also here to say I think Game works, as a woman actively dating I know what will turn my head or have an effect on me. For those who it doesn’t come naturally to you can learn very beneficial tools for getting a girl you’d be proud to have on your arm. I do think however it has to be a cognitive acceptance not just outward practice. Paradigm shifts are required by some here and a lessening of the obvious anger some men have for our gender.

    As for women being less intellectual than men in many cases (including mine) I’d agree but rather than hate us for that accept the benefits of a good woman: Loving devotion; great sex; emotional support; caretakers etc.

    This is already too long and may not get read as I realize many female posters are not respected here. I’m glad I’ve been able to participate, it’s expanded my view of how men really think. If you’ve read this far – wow! 🙂

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  501. @Obsidian:

    ” I would like the ladies here to be a bit more forthcoming on what’s said, and perhaps even more importantly, to discuss why they’re even here to begin with?”

    Because I like being around you smart people, even though you all outshine me in intellect.

    But I try.

    Also, aoefe- nice comment.

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  502. aoefe

    I read it. Nothing to disagree with.

    Except, you are respected here.

    You also make this a lighter and more fun place.

    And are one of the few women who’s sufficiently accurate about what actually works with her that you provide good game advice, mostly on a “that would or has worked with me” / “that feels lame to me” basis. Which is the right kind of one for a girl to offer here.

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  503. Hi Doug,
    Your comments are interesting, and in the interest of sharpening the end of the spear, I’ll backdown on the “yuppie” part of my remarks. Even though I meant no offense, was merely attempting to describe a section of American humanity that makes up the current Game scene.

    But that’s neither here nor there.

    I find it fascinating that so many White guys here-who, we all basically agree belong to the demo I’ve outlined above, sans the “yuppie” part, have no problem defining me and mine in the most disparaging of terms-yet, when they’re described, accurately again for the most part, suddenly the tough guys get so hyper-sensitive.

    Hmm.

    While Roissy certainly didn’t intend it, the fact remains that he attracts a considerable non-White audience that makes themselves heard quite frequently. Nor have I asked him to specifically go out and find such voices. All I ask of him is to give the forum in which those voices can be heard; me and mine can take it from there, and by all accouns we don’t do half bad.
    As for starting my own space, as I’ve said its in the works, pending other developments wrt other irons I have in the fire. But even when that happens, something needs to be clearly understood:

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a segregationist. Because that’s not the way the realworld, especially now, works. Like it or not Doug, Obsidian is here to stay.

    And he will be heard.

    All World, baby. All World.

    O

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  504. Mandy,
    Thanks for the input. I think your comment speaks to something that is brought up here from time to time, the notion that Women don’t usually have much interest in smart guys.

    Although I certainly see the argument, I cannot agree with it; my personal experience has been that Women are quite turned on by a Man w/a brain. The trick is that he can’t be so dorky as to take away from the sexual spark, etc. There’s a such thing as being both sexy and smart. At least in my world it is.

    O

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  505. @Obsidian:

    I don’t know how the idea that women aren’t attracted to smart men gained popularity. The fact is, it’s all about a healthy balance, and has been pointed out many-a-time on this blog, a man’s appearance is not they key factor in attracting women. Game involves many things, including off-the-cuff wit, which I think is inspired by intelligence. The fact is, I would rather have someone average looking and very intelligent, versus someone very attractive with average intelligence. And again, it’s about being socially astute in addition to being IQ smart.

    As for why I read the blog… it’s a lively forum. The pick-up tips obviously don’t do much for me, except provide an interesting anthropological foray into aspiring the minds of aspiring PUAs. Also, I kind of appreciate that the comments digress into an altogether different discussion half of the time.

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  506. The fact is, I would rather have someone average looking and very intelligent, versus someone very attractive with average intelligence.

    Whiskey just called me. He sounded distraught. Told me that you are upsetting his worldview and it makes the scary voices come back.

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  507. S.,
    Yes, I too have noticed that discussions here invariably veer away from the subject matter of the various posts, and I welcome this as a very good thing. I for one have never seen this venue as a pure, nuts and bolts Game or PUA blogsite, but rather more akin to a kind of cyber gentlemen’s club of years gone by, where Women were most certainly a big part of the conversations, but so too were politics, current events and so on. Nor do I see them as mutually exclusive; as I told Doug, the realworld doesn’t work that way. All is interconnected, whether we like it or not.

    Anyway, your comments again stands in direct contrast to the notion that smart guys can’t get laid or find love. They can-they just have to apply their smarts in ways Women find attractive.

    Thanks for the input.

    O

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  508. Aoefe,
    Thanks for your input, comments and thoughts, and no, I don’t consider them to be too long, although this is coming from someone who regularly writes Hemingway-length posts myself, lol.

    I agree w/Doug, I find you to be a very pleasant presence here, and from time to time, I check in on your blog. Not hard on the eyes eiher.

    Thanks again.

    O

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  509. Whiskey just called me. He sounded distraught. Told me that you are upsetting his worldview and it makes the scary voices come back.

    She doesn’t count because she doesn’t have nails or D cups or high heels…

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  510. ”””””’I am not now, nor have I ever been, a segregationist. Because that’s not the way the realworld, especially now, works. Like it or not Doug, Obsidian is here to stay.

    And he will be heard.

    All World, baby. All World. ”””””’

    And so you see o why whites can’t move away from blacks as you claim. Again you are wrong. Again you suggest something you yourself would not allow to happen. GJ like I said before you are like the black reverse hitler. You will get killed you will suffer and you will like it is your battle cry. Knowing yea white people ain’t gonna really do shit about it. So you are safe I suppose for now. Until the man comes rises up and is a leader of men and the media changes there minds because there kids are getting fucked up on the street.

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  511. @Tood

    When are you going to be starting your PUA-style blog? We have so many Indian women with their blogs, most of them terrible; it would be very enlightening to read a man’s intelligent perspective.

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  512. on July 31, 2009 at 2:46 am gunslingergregi

    oh yea anon was me.

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  513. the notion that Women don’t usually have much interest in smart guys.

    women wnat to debate smart guys on the internet. not necessarily get bangd by them in real life

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  514. obsidian is a case of a man in this blog that should be negged from time to time so that he remains cool. the blog is yuppified? so what, bro?

    DA is another case of a man who simply needs to be negged. I wonder if black men, to remain cool, need some negging from time to time

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  515. I wonder if black men, to remain cool, need some negging from time to time

    The way Crowley negged Gates? =)

    Or supposedly did, anyway.

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  516. LOL, the reactions from some here, virtually to a Man, all Men, are interesting to read.

    They can’t really tackle the premise I’ve laidout, so they try to either tear at my supposed intent or try to attack me personally. Nice.

    All I was saying is that there was more than one way of doing things, which, I’ve found, is something certain groups of White guys find very unsettling. Its as if the rigidity of their minds cannot allow for the idea that other people do things in other ways, and that need not be a bad thing, even if it’s not for you.

    We see this in the near-constant vitriol hurled against Black Women, for example, that occurs in this forum, which I find curious, since, if so many White guys are so turned off by them, why even mentioned them at all? Again, I don’t find Asian Women particularly attractive to me, yet you rarely ever hear me bringing them up. Nor do I go out of my way to denigrate those Men, of any color, who find such Women attractive-God bless em, is what I say.

    I just don’t get this “only one way” to do stuff from some of you White guys. It seems to be born more from fear than anything else.

    And as we all know, fear ain’t necessarily something Women find interesting, right?

    O

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  517. — All I was saying is that there was more than one way of doing things, which, I’ve found, is something certain groups of White guys find very unsettling.

    Which white guys?

    — Its as if the rigidity of their minds cannot allow for the idea that other people do things in other ways, and that need not be a bad thing, even if it’s not for you.

    Who was being rigid in this thread? I think this was one of the more fun & freewheeling ones.

    — We see this in the near-constant vitriol hurled against Black Women, for example, that occurs in this forum,

    GNP/Apes did not post in this thread.

    Chic Noir gets the equivalent of pigtail pulling from some guys; but she knows we al llike her

    Kthula/Nicole gets some heavyweight punches thrown her way; but we all know she can handle it

    — And as we all know, fear ain’t necessarily something Women find interesting, right?

    No one was showing “fear” in this thread. Except maybe Obsidian, the model of smoothness and charm (I mean this sincerely), starting to flail a little.

    Let nothing shake your inner game, big guy. Not even antagonistic commenters. You came here cool as a cat MuMuin, and that’s the standard you are held up to.

    It is a burden being smooth, I know this all too well. But the fans expect nothing less.

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  518. (“GNP/Apes did not post in this thread.”)

    Oops, I thught this was the “Test of Negs” thread. My point still stands.

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  519. LOL, nice try PA, but no cigar.
    The proper spelling is Mu’Min.
    And I wasn’t speaking about this thread in particular, but the overall tone of the forum, over the course of the last year at least, if not longer. Apeman certainly leads he charge, but by no means is he alone. And Chic doesn’t seem to see it as “pigtail pulling” but a bit more sinister than that. Again, I don’t find Asian Women attractive, but I don’t go out of my way to dump on them either. Compare and contrast.

    But I will give you that living up to any standard or ideal takes some doing. Very few things actually makes me upset, believe it or not. Cool is a state of mind, something I always remain aware of.

    O

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  520. PA says, “Kthula/Nicole gets some heavyweight punches thrown her way; but we all know she can handle it”

    …but the thing that makes it easy to handle is knowledge of where it comes from: fear.

    I’ll spare the psycho analysis, and suffice to say it’s been the same old sour grapes since I hit puberty, so I got used to it. I piss off people who believe they should have what I have earned, but that they don’t want to do the work to get.

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  521. on July 31, 2009 at 2:21 pm Instafaggot

    Obsidian,
    Fair enough, but I don’t understand why you posted your premise in the first place. As I said previously, I see no reason to refute it. Therefore, there’s no challenge. It seems like a pretty hollow exercise.

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  522. ””””””’Obsidian
    LOL, the reactions from some here, virtually to a Man, all Men, are interesting to read.

    They can’t really tackle the premise I’ve laidout, so they try to either tear at my supposed intent or try to attack me personally. Nice.

    All I was saying is that there was more than one way of doing things, which, I’ve found, is something certain groups of White guys find very unsettling. Its as if the rigidity of their minds cannot allow for the idea that other people do things in other ways, and that need not be a bad thing, even if it’s not for you.”””””””””””

    Obsid game:
    Be Black

    Well real hard for white boys to do that Bro.

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  523. ”””””””on July 31, 2009 at 9:31 am Obsidian
    LOL, the reactions from some here, virtually to a Man, all Men, are interesting to read.

    They can’t really tackle the premise I’ve laidout, so they try to either tear at my supposed intent or try to attack me personally. Nice.

    All I was saying is that there was more than one way of doing things, which, I’ve found, is something certain groups of White guys find very unsettling. Its as if the rigidity of their minds cannot allow for the idea that other people do things in other ways, and that need not be a bad thing, even if it’s not for you.””””””””””””’

    You have said your game before summed up as:

    Be Black

    Very difficult for white people to do that.
    Yea your gonna pick up some chickies who want a black guy.
    Ok again white guys aren’t gonna be able to turn black.
    I know it is hard for you to understand but yea I just wanted to give you some thoughts from the white side.

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  524. DA is another case of a man who simply needs to be negged.

    I thought that’s what the dirty looks were for…

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  525. @doug – You also make this a lighter and more fun place.

    Awwww Mr. Doug Draper you make this a lighter place for me to visit. 🙂

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  526. Instafaggot, Anon, Gunny,
    I made the point about “Yuppified White Guys” & Game because its true. Period. And because I have an interest in Game, people, and so on, I thought to simply note that fact.

    Moreover, I never said that White guys sould be more Black, what I’m saying is that other voices should be heard, and in fairness, this is taking place-aside from myself, Kamal and Assanova have appeared here, as well as Joe and a few other non-White voices wrt Game. Why that should be a cause for concern is something that should be explained by one of you.

    I myself have learned a great deal from the Kama Sutra. Yet I have no desire to be Indian.

    Are we learning yet?

    O

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  527. And Chic doesn’t seem to see it as “pigtail pulling” but a bit more sinister than that.
    agreed

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  528. on August 1, 2009 at 5:01 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    JAM,

    When are you going to be starting your PUA-style blog? We have so many Indian women with their blogs, most of them terrible; it would be very enlightening to read a man’s intelligent perspective.

    Well, soon.

    Forget Indian women, they are meaningless. The only Indian women of any value are those FROM India, and that too from a middle-class background (not wealthy).

    The Indian women of PUA blogs presently are merely women who surpassed their parents’ understanding of human sexuality and male-female relations. Since their parents are capped at the age of 12, these Indian women have gone further, to age 14. While 14 to 12 is a significant jump, they are merely ecstatic at knowing something more than their parents, and, just like any other 14 year old, they think they know everything.

    Plus, such Indian women rarely clear anything higher than a 6 in looks, so don’t give them importance.

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  529. on August 1, 2009 at 5:08 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Tood, you need to get back on my dick.

    Sorry, I don’t go that way, faggot.

    I actually get women, and a lot of them. You, on the other hand, became gay as an escape valve.

    You do know that nature created homosexuality to dispose of genetic waste matter, by ensuring that such waste matter could not reproduce. You do know that, don’t you?

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  530. Come up with new material you have not moved past finger banging old mary browneye. Is there anything else in your life?

    Besides white people or faux concern for said.

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  531. Your getting your time in the sun. Don’t break down and be the town nigger and start talking about how whitey has more than you. Is better than you. Before it’s all about business and now your the beaten black man who can’t achieve because whitey holding him back. Get the fuck out of here with the bullshit and come correct. You can succeed shit easy. Already said how on here. If you can’t follow the moronic path to wealth than you have no one to blame but your own black male self.

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  532. The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    I don’t recall asking you. I told you to. Now get on my dick.

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  533. “You do know that nature created homosexuality to dispose of genetic waste matter, by ensuring that such waste matter could not reproduce.”

    Only Betas believe in a Master Switch or an Intelligent Designer. Panaceas are for the weak.

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  534. Firstly your long writting is terible, you should edit it at make it more clear as to what you are saying exactly.

    Two: in some respects I would aggree with you there are gay males out there than can manipulate females into particular life styles such as shopping, dancing, dating etc. And they may be doing it for friendship and company. We are all human, we all have needs to be met. If a women has another direction she wants to go in like settle down have children finding that stabble husband, maybe she’s handingout with the wrong guy. Gay clubs and pubs are filled with one night stands, drugs etc, that true I knbwo by first hand. Although straight clubs such as pubs etc they do have same elements except on the straight person scene the scale is different. Homosexual clubs are filled with character where there are in you face and do give a straight communication as to what they are looking for.

    We are all human, we have free will. And remember, if life realy all about getting married having children and walking off into the sun set. What happens after your kids have grown up and retirment is settling in, then what. Open up, explore. Not sex, but just life and the different people that live in it. Realy is life that boring.

    All scales in moderation.

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  535. some great info here
    i am adding this to my bookmarks…

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  536. Don’t disabuse these fools of their notions. Mating is a zero-sum game.

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  537. That was quite a rebuttal. Or you could have just sent him a picture of your naked pimply ass and photoshopped an arrow and some words that say, “Your face here.”

    Don’t be an apologist for Game, just use it.

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