The Ground Floor Girl

Besides the sagging tits and wrinkling skin, there’s a good reason men of taste and sophistication who are looking to settle down spurn older women for the pleasure of younger women. DoBA writes,

In short, if you’re thinking about getting married, really think about what you’re doing. As someone who is divorced, I would say that you have to get in on the GROUND LEVEL with women. Once they’re about 33-34, you don’t know where the hell they’ve been and their anger toward men or neurosis about them will likely be taken out on YOU. From what I see, the best marriages are when the couples meet in high school or college.

That last paragraph is gold plated good advice. Single women get bitter and spiteful with age in a way that men don’t, because every added cock scours a woman’s soul while every added pussy gilds a man’s soul. Bad relationship experiences accumulating over the years can potentially embitter both men and women, but men in my observation, when they bounce back, are more seamlessly able to reconstitute a loving relationship with a new woman minus the emotional baggage of past women who left them with foul memories. In contrast, women who have run through failed relationships tend to dump increasingly heavy loads of baggage on their new men.

The Ground Floor Girl is another term for the “marriage material girl”, or the “wife and mother of my future children girl”. (In the meme scene, she is called the tradwife.) She is many different women, but the defining characteristic all GFGs share is youth and romantic innocence. You can get lucky meeting an older woman who has managed to retain her whimsy and untainted love of men, but that’s not the way to bet.

tl;dr: younger women >>> older women.

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If you need the recap, the present configuration of the Western sexual market is despoiling and shrinking the pool of available Ground Floor Girls. Marriage rate is down, age of first marriage is up, and though I couldn’t find the data I’d be surprised if marriage counseling hours and clients as a share of total marriages isn’t up as well.





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  1. on September 29, 2017 at 1:33 pm Oliver Elkington

    Then there are those women talking about their accomplishments being sexy, who the heck cares about how accomplished a woman is? seriously! if that were the case there would be thousands of men milling around offices in New York and DC hoping to “catch” one of these accomplished women.

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    • Nope – career becomes a substitute for a happy married life and kids. Cats do not count.

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    • Career becomes a substitute for family life and kids. cats do not count.

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    • Met my (HB8) wife while she was in a (European) College and she’d just turned 22. I myself had been out of College for quite a few years (eight and a half if we’re counting).Just before she turned 23 we were married and had our first kid. She didn’t finish College (and couldn’t care less about that), but has had a wonderful “career” as a mother and homemaker.

      Due to the nature of my work she’s had to start the homemaking from scratch every few years, but the kids themselves are either in College or about to go, and all are well adjusted and successful.

      I first came to this site years ago to get “modern” dating advice for my oldest son, only to find it was actually the same mostly, although the posts on text game were new to me and were gold. As was the other “social media” stuff.

      To me, my wife’s accomplishments are “sexy”, but have nothing to do with career go-girlism.

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    • Eating my posts, so we’ll try again:

      Met my (HB8) wife while she was in a (European) College and she’d just turned 22. I myself had been out of College for quite a few years (eight and a half if we’re counting).Just before she turned 23 we were [email protected] and had our first kid. She didn’t finish College (and couldn’t care less about that), but has had a wonderful “career” as a mother and homemaker.

      Due to the nature of my work she’s had to start the homemaking from scratch every few years, but the kids themselves are either in College or about to go, and all are well adjusted and successful.

      I first came to this site years ago to get “modern” dating advice for my oldest son, only to find it was actually the same mostly, although the posts on text game were new to me and were gold. As was the other “social media” stuff.

      To me, my wife’s accomplishments are “sexy”, but have nothing to do with career go-girlism.

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      • similar story. met w1fe in Poland 1 year after college; she’s younger and did a 2 year degree. marr1ed 2 years later and had 2 k1ds who are now 7 adn 9; we are 37 (me) 36 (her). definitely got her at the ground floor 😉 i’ll tell that story some other time

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  2. every added cock scours a woman’s soul

    And every LJBF relationship scours a beta’s soul.

    But speaking of getting in on the ground floor, here’s a goodie i read on FR. I liked it so much I saved it to post at other sites later:
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    A store has just opened in New York City that offered free husbands. When women go to choose a husband, they have to follow the instructions at the entrance:

    “You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are 6 floors to choose from. You may choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor, but you CANNOT go back down except to exit the building!

    So, a woman goes to the store to find a husband. On the 1st floor the sign on the door reads: Floor 1 – These men Have Jobs

    The 2nd floor sign reads: Floor 2 – These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.

    The 3rd floor sign reads: Floor 3 – These men Have Jobs, Love Kids and are extremely Good Looking.

    “Wow,” she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going. She goes to the 4th floor and sign reads:

    Floor 4 – These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help With Housework.

    “Oh, mercy me!” she exclaims. “I can hardly stand it!” Still, she goes to the 5th floor and sign reads:

    Floor 5 – These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Gorgeous, help with Housework and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.

    She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the 6th floor and the Sign reads:

    Floor 6 – You are visitor 71,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that you are impossible to please.

    Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.

    To avoid gender bias charges, the store’s owner opened a Wife Store just across the street.

    The 1st first floor has wives that love sex.

    The 2nd floor has wives that love sex and have money.

    The 3rd through 6th floors have never been visited….

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    • I laughed so hard at this bro. Thank you.

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    • Thanks for sharing that one!

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    • I think the 2nd floor should contain wives that love sex and cook good food.

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    • 1st floor is hot virgin wife
      2nd floor is hot virgin wife that loves sex
      3rd floor is hot virgin wife that loves sex and is rich but submissive to YOU.
      4th floor is boarded up because no man has ever been there or wanted to go…

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      • Yeah, but I think the point is how easy men are to please compared to women, so, instead of “hot” I would just put “HB7.” Hell, I think most men here would be satisfied with that as long as she was faithful, loved sex and had a low notch count. For future use, I’ll probably use this:

        First floor has faithful wives with a low notch count.

        Second has floor has faithful wives with a low notch count who love sex.

        Third floor has faithful wives with a low notch count who love sex and are 7s on the hotness scale.

        Floors 3-6 house Maytag repair man because no one ever goes there.

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    • Funny joke but needs modified. Women who love sex and have money are not necessarily attractive at all. What if that floor was full of Sarah Jessica Parkers?

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  3. Shocking – man value fertility? Women prefer an experienced hand?

    Been there. Done that. Have the happy life, wife and kids to prove it works.

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    • You and me both. Married a smart, thin, pretty ground floor girl – 22 years in October, 4 kids. She loves me and I love her. Wouldn’t trade her for the world.

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    • on September 29, 2017 at 2:47 pm Keyboard Warrior

      Women only prefer an experienced hand if it’s combined with money, success and especially social status.

      Guys who think that age will automatically make them more attractive are under a huge amount of cognitive dissonance.

      No attractive 21-year-old girl will prefer a regular 40-year-old office drone with average income and receding hairline over a 25-year-old guy.

      Just look outside and you realize that most guys decay hard with advancing age. This stuff that men age like wine is complete nonsense for over 90% of all guys.

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      • on September 29, 2017 at 3:20 pm Oliver Elkington

        So so true, i work with young bartenders/waitresses as part of my job(about time i got a real one to be honest but the company is great so i have not job hunted hard enough!) and they often complain about older men hitting on them and they are not even poorer guys, often middle class businessmen with good incomes, being older is only great if it is combined with very high fame or status, if you are not Obama or Hugh Grant it is very hard to hold the attention of a under 23 girl. Lets face it if women like older men so much why is it so rare to see men over 30 dating women more than 8 years younger?

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      • As always, YMMV. I’m 55, over six feet and very active. Stay in shape. Make mid-six figures. I was in a dive class and got hit on by a 7-8 30 year old. Went down deep later that night.
        Point taken–if all you are is older, that it is no advantage. But if you have something to show for those years, and above all, stay fit, there are quite a few opportunities out there.

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      • Being a middle aged beta looser with money is not attractive to young women, who would have thought?

        Fuck money and status, those young sluts deserve neither.

        What you need at age 40 is Game and a Masculine attitude.

        [CH: so many women are economically self-sufficient that the kind of money the typical man needs if he wants to use his money as his primary attraction to women is gonna have to be more than six figures. iow, don’t bother. it’s more efficient to improve social skills and hit the gym.]

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      • You are wrong, and I see examples that prove it EVERY FUCKING DAY.

        My neighbor is a 55 YO, fat, ugly guy who makes very little money. He has a pretty 25 YO wife. To me he just seems like a shlub, but he must have something going on personality wise.

        Some women are just made that way.

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      • on September 30, 2017 at 3:35 am Keyboard Warrior

        @MKKBY,

        Sounds completely made up.

        But even if it isn’t it just shows it’s the rare exception. Girls in their prime want guys in their prime with healthy sperm. It’s just biology.

        If you deny that, it’s a huge cope b/c you probably realize you started aging and still haven’t reproduced.

        If older men are so attractive, how come that girls constantly complain about older men hitting on them?

        How come college sluts don’t flock into retirement homes for sex? 🙂

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      • Jesus Christ, how are you old farts still not getting this?
        Game is EVEN MORE important for us than for the young fucks.

        Because we have been socialized into absolute clueless-ness about the real nature of wimminz.
        The young guns today on the other hand have been experiencing first hand the ravages of x.wave feminazism THEIR WHOLE LIVES.
        These “younglings” either succumb totally and become antifa beta cucks or total shitlords. True survival of the fittest.

        I´ve seen 70-80 year olds who still “don´t get” women.
        It´s nothing but code for “I don´t want to see the truth”.
        But I´m not even rolling my eyes at those anymore, they just got old and not the slightest bit wiser.
        Their problem.

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      • Yes but an attractive 21 year old girl will take a 35 year old man with game over a 25 year old without it. And a lot of guys don’t have the prerequisite necessary experience to develop the confidence and natural ZFG attitude of solidly internalized game until their early 30s. A 25 vs 40 y/o, all else being equal the 25 year old definitely has an advantage, but all else is not usually equal.

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  4. CH: Study shows that drama movies (aka female pornography) affects people´s emotions and their capacity of social bonding. Very interesting!!!

    http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/3/9/160288

    {CH: thx for the link! this is a good one]

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  5. Whatever you do, do not search for anything online about marriage counseling statistics. Life is way too short to go down that depressing rabbit hole.

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  6. Whatever you do, do not search online for couples counseling. Life is way too short to go down that depressing rabbit hole.

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  7. on September 29, 2017 at 1:45 pm Muerte aka Luciano

    don’t u want a strong woman with experience who knows what she wantz and what she’s doing in the sack?

    man up and marry these hasbeen sluts

    lol
    lol
    lool

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  8. Just post a chart showing female egg supply.

    Something like 90% of oocytes are gone by age 30.

    A woman who is depressed or anxious or has hang-ups when she hasn’t become a mother yet while her eggs dwindle to count-out-loud amounts is not just randomly nuts…. her psychology is rationally making her depressed. Her genes are potentially about to fucking die.

    Imagine being down to your last few sperm after which point your virility vanishes entirely. Totally different world women live in. Which makes deluding themselves into pretending they can fuck and act like men a particularly punishing misstep.

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  9. […] The Ground Floor Girl […]

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  10. Related (via Jordan Peterson): https://i.redd.it/jxmtmjr5otoz.jpg

    I wonder how much time he spends perusing this site.

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  11. Masculine logic is that a woman will be grateful for being scooped out of the supermarket dumpster at the last moment.

    Nothing could be further from the truth. The hamster knows no gratitude.

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    • You’d think women would be grateful. It’s the opposite. Women are more guarded, oversensitive and bitter by their 30’s. It’s like trying to tease an ugly girl versus a pretty one. The ugly one thinks you’re being mean to her and responds negatively while the pretty one enjoys it. It rarely pays to look for a bargain.

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    • “The hamster knows no gratitude”

      That should be put in rock.

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  12. They almost always find someone who will marry them, though. I know a few go grrls err, go wimminz, in their late thirties to mid forties either just married for the first time or planning their first wedding.

    i didn’t think people really did this, outside of a few big city types I’ve met over the years. The clubbing and bed hopping just didn’t compute until I got older and met so, so many unhappy wimminz who actually *werent * lesbo (I’ve never known a happy lesbian. Ever). We’re not built for a stream of rando partners. These wimmins are willingly laying down to allow a psychological train to be run on them.

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    • (I’ve never known a happy lesbian. Ever).

      That line made me think of this scene. . . .

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    • This is true. I think the problems ageing women have eating their cake and having it too are grossly exaggerated in the manosphere. I think most (even marginally) attractive women end up with a guy they love, get the family the decided they wanted at the last minute, and are happy for the most part. We tend to highlight the ones who struggle and fail because it makes us feel good. It makes us feel like there is justice in the universe. But there isn’t. A semi-attractive woman at 30 still has an almost unlimited supply of good men who are more than happy to wife her.

      The idea that there is somehow some kind of comeuppance for women who were reckless and cruel when they were young is mostly wishful thinking.

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      • “Eating their cake and having it too”

        Finally, someone uses this phrase correctly! Thank you.

        The fertility issue is also overblown. Most people, men and wimmin, think two kidz is a great number and if you start at thirtyish it’s definitely possible for most wimmin

        You’re not going to decide at thirty that you need ten kids, if you really wanted that, male or female, youd have gotten down to business much earlier. Men can make healthy babies far longer than wimminz can bear them, agewise, but raising children is a young persons game. If you’re fathering kids into your fifties, you can be a great dad, but not the same vital on the go dad you were in your twenties. Ditto for momz . You can take the best care of yourself and still, you slow down a bit. Then a bit more. In practical and rational view, Kids are exhausting and time consuming. You’d better be prepared to keep up, or make enough money to pay someone who can.

        None of this is to say its right for wimmin to delay marriage too long. Often it is highly encouraged that they do so, though, and it does damage the psyche and the soul…and perhaps that’s why it’s such a heavily promoted ideal. Broken unfulfilled people are consumers extraordinaire and keep the money rolling into certain (((pockets))), while they guilt over their possessions and vote liberal to keep money rolling into certain (((pockets))).

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      • The comeuppance is that they must settle for Mr. Poindexter and fantasize about Chad Thundercock or Harley McBadboy for the rest of their lives. Women seem to lack the ability to go backwords in male quality and be happy. Content perhaps, but genuinely happy?

        Some of them even blow up their marriages to relieve the glory(hole) days, only to be used as a pump n dump.

        That’s comeuppance enough for me, but I’m not vindictive

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      • The comeuppance is that Chad Thundercock and Harley Mcbadboy will no longer have them outside a hump n’ dump, so they have to settle for poindexter. Women can’t go backwards in male quality and be satisfied. They may be content if the sap they settle for is lucky, but happy? They will spend the rest of their days fantasying about their glory(hole) years.

        That is enough comeuppance for me, but I’m not vindictive.

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      • I think we believe that because it makes us feel good. I think in reality there a lot of perfectly happy former sluts.

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  13. “…while every added pussy gilds a man’s soul.”
    All things that glitter, right?

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  14. ” … women who have run through failed relationships tend to dump increasingly heavy loads of baggage on their new men. …”

    Describes my failed marriage to a T. Except that it’s not just past boyfriends that damage girls.

    In my wife’s case, there was the missing father, the abusive stepfather, followed the first bad boyfriend, then followed by the first fiance, by all accounts a good dude, but who took the ring back.

    I was the safe beta rebound, a prior Alpha who should’ve known better. Pussy pedestalization is a killer.

    I’ll make sure my son knows the real deal with women (he can choose to listen and learn, I pray he does).

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  15. “From what I see, the best marriages are when the couples meet in high school or college.”

    I concur. Still… I’ve seen more than a few of those blown up by unhappy women too.

    You know what I have never personally seen? A man file for divorce. I’ve seen lots of divorces in my personal circle. Even ones precipitated by the wife’s infidelity. Still haven’t seen a man file.

    Statistics say women file almost 70% of the time. That is an astonishing statistic. Either the vast majority of men are such shitty husbands that women are choosing to go it alone in spite of the hardships, or there are significant incentives for women to divorce.

    [CH: cockam’s razor would say that most divorces are filed by women because the women want out, not because the men pushed them out.]

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    • I know of one. Singular. Basically the guy was being an asshole and wanted to play the field without feeing like an asshole.

      Still though, just one.

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    • yeah, most men don’t leave.even if they are in really marriages

      they may get a little action on the side or be tempted to divorce. but most of the time they will put up with a whole lot of crap from their women before they will actually get around to ending things.

      i think it’s because so many believe that sucking it up and suffering through their bad choices is what men are supposed to do

      not saying marriage is bad and commitment isn’t important. just sad to so many men stay in bad situations when they shouldn’t. because ultimately, in situations like that, if he’s unhappy, she probably is too. so she’ll end up cheating or leaving eventually anyway. might as well be you not her.

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      • on September 29, 2017 at 3:20 pm safespaceplaypen

        problem is: the man filing doesn’t make things easier on the man. He would be essentially hanging himself.

        Maybe the internal logic might be somewhere along the lines of: “if i file myself I’m guaranteed to be f*cked. but if I wait things out, i only might be fucked.”

        That I think men have the protector instinct, and part of the protecter instinct is ensuring your family doesn’t fall apart.

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      • I married my wife when I was 28, she 25. Had many women before I married, was looking for a trad marriage and trad wife. She had a lot going for her but I didn’t realize how deep the brainwashing went. She rebelled at becoming a corporate wifey and it’s been a battle for control ever since.

        Where she miscalculated is I am a sigma not a beta and I don’t give a fuck about social status. I do love my kids though which is why I didn’t divorce her.

        I’ve managed my career and income down for 15 years in preparation for ditching her, which is coming soon.

        I’m going to spend my golden years doing what I like, poolside and building and flying airplanes. Her games have cost her millions of dollars and a retirement like her mother’s, flitting between two houses and the Caribbean. She’ll be living in an apartment and wondering how she’s going to pay to feed her animals.

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      • good you have a plan and a future to look forward to.

        some men just give up and resign themselves to living the rest of their lives in misery. life is too precious for that

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      • @Ian smith?!? Purposefully making less money and forfeiting career advancement for 15 YEARS in preparation for a divorce! Man that is 20% of your expected lifespan deliberately limiting your professional accomplishments in ANTICIPATION of a divorce. My God man. That is not something to be proud of. Who ever said men did not have rationalization hamsters?

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      • “i think it’s because so many believe that sucking it up and suffering through their bad choices is what men are supposed to do”

        There it is, the inconspicuous male hamster.

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    • I divorced my first wife for becoming an alcoholic slut whorebag bitch that almost killed my son in a massive car wreck while drunk. He spent 8 months in the Sheppard Spinal Center in Atlanta. Still has major problems. He was 10 when the bitch did this to him. He’s 31 now.

      She spent 6 years in Valdosta State Prison, final decree days before here conviction.

      [CH: yikes! i hope the sex was worth it.]

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      • Nope. Couldn’t bring myself to touch her for fear of disease. Drugs killed the girl I married, literally became a different person. She went on the cock coke carousel……it was over after about 3 years. Quite surreal.

        Douchebag lawyer told me I could not win custody unless I could prove she was unfit, had to wait for her to do it.

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    • on September 29, 2017 at 3:43 pm Oleaginous Outrager

      College educated women who divorce are the initiators 90% of the time. Too late at 33-34? Twenty-three or four maybe too late anymore.

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    • I suppose there is some truth to the fact that men will just start to act like assholes when they want to break up but won’t.

      Seen it a time or two, don’t know if there’s a large percentage of guys who do that but it does happen.

      Maybe because so much of their life is tied up to the woman, where they live, what job they have, how they spend their time off…..they literally don’t know what to do with out them or how to advance.

      Not happy but can’t really see being “happy” with anyone else either.

      Unless your alpha or rich, can’t get them pretty or young.

      Sometimes I wonder if guys at that point in life, would really be better off just going to a massage parlor or a prostitute instead of trying to get in the dating game again.

      Especially if you already have kids, what do those women really bring you?

      Probably goes both ways to an extent but I’m not looking at this from the perspective of a woman.

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  16. Curious. What about us old men with wrinkly skin and saggy tits of our own? My theory is that a well-preserved widow, perhaps from the generous supply in Eastern Europe, might be the way to go. fWIW, no-fault divorce has been an unmitigated disaster for me, as I would surely still be with wife No. 1 ( we were 22 and 18 when wed) if not for liberal divorce laws.

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    • Mail-order brides,take your wife to a country where your retirement is still a significant amount of money, her own or somewhere else and there you go.

      Get both the benefit of “money” and westernism depending on where your from and where you go.

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  17. so, go for ground floor girl and avoid fleece marriage girl

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  18. What Islam gets that this narrative doesn’t is that her soul scoured because while her psychology is being Africanized by the pervasive poz of the Alpha of State (or Corporation as the case may be) polygamy isn’t sanctioned in the West. All she gets are the sneaky betas — the traditional way in which African tribal chiefs permit other men to sire children in their harems. Also the way pimps permit Johns — in exchange for money.

    That’s why women seeing the fast-approaching wallsplat are a market niche for Islam which permits 4 wives (and more depending on the sect). In these harems, they find liberation of their inner dinduess that has taken possession of the scoured souls.

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    • That’s actually a point I hadn’t thought about before, for the old used up women and the really ugly young women.

      Polygamy or men having 4 or 5 wives means they just increased their odds of being able to get married by 4 or 5x didn’t they?

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      • Well, yes, but my point is actually deeper: Even younger women who have been Africanized by the institutional disintermediation of real men, are seeking their one true harem master. This is why pimps find it so easy to recruit workers that give them money — and those pimps are always black.

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  19. The flip side of that story is that men need to be very cautious about marrying a woman more than about 10 years younger than them. It works well for the man when he’s in his 40s and she’s in her 20s, but when he hits the 50s or 60s and she’s in her 30s or 40s accommodations tend to be made.

    God blessed me with an athletic frame, solid muscles, Nordic looks, blonde hair, and an endowment that earned me the nickname Hoss in high school. For a period of time in my 20s and 30s I served as a bull in for couples in which the wife was 20-30 years younger than the hubby. Every single one was the same story: professional, successful husband on second (or third) marriage with hot babe 20-30 years younger. Just as she’s hitting her sexual peak his T-levels are cratering and he’s losing interest. That’s where I came in. Literally.

    All the husbands knew. Some wanted to watch. Others wanted to clean her up afterward. One, a stroke victim, used to hold his wife’s hand while I banged her into the next county.

    Life has a certain rhythm. Deviate from it at your own risk.

    [CH: the visuals….]

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    • LMAO sounds like a cheesy porn flick

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      • When I was in my mid 20s a 50 something co-worker that I was social with asked me to fuck his 30 something wife while he filmed it. I laughed it off because I was a pussy.

        This shit does happen.

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      • on September 29, 2017 at 7:46 pm Vagina dominator

        Yeh, I’ve had that, but he said he’d watch from inside the bedroom cupboard. I declined.
        Nice guy. Good pal. But that was weird. I acted like it never happened. He acted just fine, like he’d asked me for a smoke.

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    • Jesus, Cialis and TRT sound better than that. Actually, anything sounds better than that.

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    • Well; problem there is a lot of guys don’t realize that taking care of their health and keeping up with their masculinity becomes that much more important as they age.

      That it becomes a lifestyle more or less. Obvious yes I know but a serious portion of men past a certain point in life don’t work out, eat right, care about how they dress, trim their ear hairs…..you name it.

      Though nowadays when it comes to eating right, working out and carrying about how they dress that’s starting to happen even around the mid-late twenties….

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    • I thought Hefner was dead

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      • Hefner ended up not being too different from this scenario. Supposedly the guy mostly had “girlfriends” to talk.

        Sex when it happened was like maybe a minute. Just didn’t have the stamina to pull it off anymore.

        Flip side is; having all those young girl friends kept him alive by what close to 20 years longer than the usual man of his generation?

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    • I’ve seen stuff like that in want ads. I thought it was a joke.

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  20. Somewhere deep, deep, deep in a woman’s psyche she knows her SMV to the tenth decimal point.
    She’ll never speak her true value out loud even to herself, she may not even be emotionally capable of contemplating it directly, but she knows when she is the dregs.
    If you treat her like she’s high value, she knows in her bones that you are the dregs too. And she hates you for it.

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    • So true. I’ve known many young, pretty girls who constantly worried about gaining a few pounds. When I asked them why, they usually referenced how their mother looked.

      It really puts the lie to how the media portrays ugly whales as beautiful. They know they are disgusting. The cognitive dissonance is why they’re all on anti depressants.

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      • Women with fat, especially obese parents, are some of the best to aim for if you know about it.

        They kind of have the “once a fat chick, always a fat chick” mentality even if they never gain the weight, spend their life looking pretty, diet and hitting the gym.

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  21. The ground floor girl used to be called the cute girl next door:

    1. Beautiful i.e. young/fertile and with symmetry (golden ratio)
    2. Virgin i.e. no c-cks (to clarify for the millennial crowd, this meant no vaginal, no oral, no hand/foot jobs and yes, no anal butthext either da GBFM)
    3. Chaste, in the old Christian concept of sexual purity where you are first and foremost her one and only (one-itis for her instead of you).

    Add-ons would be:
    1. Younger than you by minimum 4 years to account for you starting job or career.
    2. Same ethnic group/language to maximize the shared values for the children.
    3. Same religion.Why? Because the purpose of Christian marriage is not bunz > ovenz but to assist both the man and woman to get closer to God through the sacrament of marriage. Kids are the consequences of the marriage but are not the end in and of themselves.

    “Either marry or become a monk” a priest once said. The Church once upon a time understood that the unrestrained fem ID is dyscivilizational.

    Think about what’s been lost from the above list and understand that THAT’S what you are I are fighting for, for our sons and daughters.

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  22. The ground floor girl used to be called the cute girl next door:

    1. Beautiful i.e. young/fertile and with symmetry (golden ratio)
    2. Virgin i.e. no c-cks (to clarify for the millennial crowd, this meant no vaginal, no oral, no hand/foot jobs and yes, no anal butthext either da GBFM)
    3. Chaste, in the old Christian concept of sexual purity where you are first and foremost her one and only (one-itis for her instead of you).

    Add-ons would be:
    1. Younger than you by minimum 4 years to account for you starting job or career.
    2. Same ethnic group/language to maximize the shared values for the children.
    3. Same religion.Why? Because the purpose of Christian marriage is not bunz > ovenz but to assist both the man and woman to get closer to God through the sacrament of marriage. Kids are the consequences of the marriage but are not the end in and of themselves.

    “Either marry or become a monk” a priest once said. The Church once upon a time understood that the unrestrained fem ID is dyscivilizational.

    Think about what’s been lost from the above list and understand that THAT’S what you are I are fighting for, for our sons and daughters.

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  23. Big difference between older men and older women. Older men are grateful, older women are bitter.

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  24. Fellow Chateauans, I need some day game advice.

    I was walking to the ATM and caught the gaze, strong gaze, of a sweet looking blonde. On the first pass, she did a double take and I looked her dead in the eyes. I said “hello” as I made my way. (Had to hurry since I was on company time)

    On the way back, she was still by my office and I smiled again, but I didn’t say anything. I knew I should have just sat down next to her and chatted her up. Didn’t help we were both on our headphones.

    I dropped the ball big time on this one and could use some idear’s for the next time this happens so I don’t f–k it up.

    CO, she was bun worthy, my friend.

    Thanks fellas!

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    • Next time, with same trip to ATM, or any random meet in the hallway:

      “Hey, I’m on my way to rob the ATM and need an accomplice, you in?” Smirk knowingly and you laser eye her.

      If she follows you, chat her up.

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    • No need to be cutesy/goofy. Just say hi and introduce yourself. Tell her you have to get back to work, but let’s get a drink and talk sometime. Trade numbers.

      Too many guys still act like they think talking to a girl or asking her out is somehow wrong. You have to get it into your head that it’s normal and okay to be a man that wants women and sex. No need to hide it or try to trick your way in.

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    • mendo, I would just talk to her in the most relaxed state you possibly can attain. try to be fully present and utilize all your senses. smell, sight, hearing, touch, etc. listen carefully to what she says. speak with calmness and cadence. be pleasant.

      when I was younger esctasy was very popular. we’d use it and go out to clubs. besides destroying your brain cells, it heightens your senses and makes you feel as if personal boundaries are very fluid. I used to walk right up to completely sober girls and start making out with them. just literally walk up and start making out. maybe a few words and that’s it. they responded like it was completely natural. that’s the power we have as men, if we use it. if we don’t act cagey and weird, they don’t act coy and suspicious. if we’re warm and relaxed, they’re happy and interested.

      would I do that sober? most of the time, no. are drugs a good way to learn? absolutely 100% no-way-no-how, probably not. however, you can learn to do same thing just by just letting yourself f-e-e-l sexual with a girl. that is 99% of game, feeling sexual with her. that’s hard for guys. we overthink things, but it is possible. so just try to feel.

      good luck, my brotha.

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  25. Trapped in MOD…

    Tried to edit and repost a couple of times sooo, if y’all see me being repetitive later….apologies.

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  26. When a woman won’t give a man her best years then no man is obligated to be there for her worst.

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  27. Every girls psychology is designed for motherhood.

    Starting at puberty, ever year that a woman goes without having kids makes her a little bit crazier and more deranged.

    That’s why we have all these girls on SSRIs and other antipsychotic drugs. If they got knocked up at 18, they’d be psychologically healthy creatures.

    Never trust a childless woman over 25. They’re literally fucked in the head, like a man who’s gotten no pussy in a decade.

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    • birth control pills just add to the problem. they are altering their body’s natural processes every day for decades.

      imagine being perfectly healthy without any hormonal issues whatsoever. then choosing to put artificial hormones and chemicals you don’t need into your body anyway. it’s pretty insane when you think about it

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  28. I’m 35 and I tell this to my fiance every day. I point it out in all the girls his friends date/marry and their exes. I exist only due to genetics (my mom is a still-married cougar which makes me a bit younger looking + I had some health problems when I was in my 20s + I was an engineering nerd so I missed the cock carousel…when I was able to jump on the cock carousel I was over 25 and was like “oh my goodness…wtf is going on?” I also missed the cock carousel because when I was 18 in college all the girls in my dorm room except me went on Birth Control…the type that gave blood clots. One girl almost died and not one but two others suddenly developed clinical depression. Also, I was lucky and was exposed to Christian abstinence program in junior high. Basically they said exactly what everyone always says now….The more people you sleep with, the more you lose the ability to bond. They gave a good example and even compared it to what our DARE police officer said about drugs. Never forgot that and took it very seriously. Glad I did, it’s the secret to having a great relationship. It’s easier when your young, but for the few statistical outliers like me still applies. Keep your legs shut ladies. You’ll be happier for it.

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  29. “From what I see, the best marriages are when the couples meet in high school or college.”

    A fine case of selection bias. Unless the writer has lots of friends who are 22-year-old couples, the marriages of couples that met in high school are solid because the shitty marriages have long since broken apart. You only get to see the good ones.

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    • on September 30, 2017 at 3:08 am Days of Broken Arrows

      I graduated high school in the ’80s and college in the ’90s and have kept in touch with a wide circle of friends and acquaintances.

      Nearly every one of my friends who met and married in high school and college stayed together. The only one I can think of the broke up is the one where the woman is an insane feminist professor of “literature” and the guy had enough. Feminism looked good on her when she was a sexy 19-year-old and doesn’t wear well now that she’s pushing 50.

      The broken marriages I see (and experienced) are the people who met in the workplace later on or in clubs or someplace like that — especially when one of the partners had one or more kids.

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    • There’s also not that many people who get married in high school or at least to the same person they were dating then..

      Known women who broke up with men simply because they didn’t want to be “one of those women who only dated one guy” types.

      Have to imagine that cuts down to a certain kind of person real quick.

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  30. […] Another reason for avoiding older women is that the older they get and the more men they have been with, the greater their portion of the great cup of bitterness. […]

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  31. on September 30, 2017 at 3:20 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Thanks for spotlighting my comment about ground floor girls.

    In case there are younger guys reading, I want to (re)tell the story about what got me to think about this subject (I’ve written this before elsewhere). One of the sad aspects of growing old is that when you look back at your life, people and things that once seemed trivial become more important than you realized in retrospect.

    The first time I ever set foot on college campus, at Freshman Orientation, I met a sweet, very inexperienced girl from a small town. Within hours we were “together.” That night at the sleepover in the dorms we kissed — which I practically had to teach her to do.

    But she was “cute” and not sexy or beautiful. She also looked about 12 years old and had no sense of style. All of this and her “small town-ness” put me off. I wanted the hot chick(s).

    Which I did get. When I returned home after orientation I started dating a high school hottie I’d been after for a while. I also blew off Orientation Girl without a second thought and without any apparent guilt (until now, ironically enough).

    I had a lot of fun in college and dated the aforementioned high school girl as we went through college. But she left for California after graduation. After that I was thrown into the early ’20s dating market. And by then you start to get jaded and meet people who are even more jaded: The women with multiple abortions, countless partners, strange diseases and habits, etc.

    Decades later, I was able to track Freshman Orientation Girl down on Facebook. She got married and stayed married (to someone who is a lot like me, funny enough). She looked too young back in college, which was bad. Now that quality is good.

    My advice to any young guy reading this is that you probably already know the woman who would make a great wife, but you’re passing her up to ride the male version of the carousel. Unless women like these become young widows, you won’t have the chance to meet them again because they get pulled off the market and stay off the market. Forever.

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  32. The problems with dating sluts only begin at notch-count disgust. Most high-notch women are testy trainwrecks who can’t help but stoke the mistrust and resentment underlying their later relationships. They have an awful habit of twisting the surmountable unsavoriness of sluthood into a significantly more toxic shit test, even when things are ostensibly going well for them:

    “I’m a really experienced woman who knows what she wants, you’re not INTIMIDATED by that, are you?”

    Chateau patron, recalling his default answer and reassessing the value of the mission: “Nope, and not because I’m a male feminist, but because I already inferred you were a slut a while ago, and have no illusions about making this work beyond the short term.”

    [shit test passed; wetness intensifies]

    All male investment into sluts is a DLV, and since sluts don’t trade their dignity for nothing, any guy who says he can see past the cockas will soon be disqualified from putting another tear in her validation-weathered slurp flaps. If he is alpha enough to tap it, he still won’t be able to keep her in a stable, cordial fuckbuddyship because neither did the last 50 guys- because that would have been too close to commitment, and male commitment is kryptonite to sluts.

    You’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

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  33. Truth… Met wife at 22. Hitting 28 years together now.

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  34. So I’m a tall, dark and handsome 50 year old man, with degrees from all the “right” places, in good physical shape, former college athlete who was usually pursued by 8’s and 9’s in college (so my game was never that tight), wealthy in an upper-middle-class-still-needs-to-go-to-work-everyday-professional-but-could-retire-today-if-I-were-frugal-no-mortgage-or-debt-mid-six-figures-a-year kind of way. I was married young (23, she 21) and when my wife divorced me 22 years later because she had somehow through the years developed such an intense hatred for me that I could barely walk into the room without criticism (and yes I know its because I didn’t have game-spare me those admonishments) she took my ego (and tried to take my kids) with her. I’m a great father and nothing in my life has given me as much satisfaction as being a dad. I would love to have more kids, partly because I love fathering and mine are off getting pozzed in various indoctrination camps now and partly because I would love to do it as a red-pilled man rather than as the shit-lib I was with my first three kids.

    My problem is I have a better chance finding a unicorn than I do wedding a ground-level woman. I’ve done the on-line dating thing and the middle-aged divorced single mothers throw themselves at me like the zombies in the movie World War Z threw themselves over the wall in Jerusalem. I’ve banged a few of the hot ones, but Jaysus are they ever crazy. On the other hand, my mind boggles at the number of twenty somethings “with children but never married” out there. And sadly, that is the demographic that responds to my online profile.

    Despite messaging them, the ground-level women in their 20’s are simply not interested in being approached by a guy my age, (I don’t care how good your text game is.) By definition, mother-tier women don’t hang out in bars. Even there I don’t have trouble getting a women home to bed, but they inevitably turn out to be narcissistic, BPD whack jobs and are not mother grade because they were all too happy to hop into bed with me in the first place. I’m not really into taking on a moral and sexual fixer-upper because, as we all know here at the chateau, their foundations and load bearing walls are so thoroughly eroded by the poz that they are bound to collapse under their own weight despite the attentive discipline and ministrations of a red-pilled man.

    So here’s the question: short of loitering outside the doors of the local LDS tabernacle on a Sunday morning, where does a guy like me even meet a ground-level woman, never-mind wondering how she might respond to my improving but still far from heartistean dose of game?

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