The Case Against Tipping

Tipster thoughtfully rants about “tipping culture”, labeling it a wealth transfer from men to women, and therefore a reinforcement of a structurally misandrist system.

Tipping is just another forced transfer M>>>F

I don’t tip. Why should I tip the person who brings food to my table, but not the chef? I don’t tip retail workers, fast food workers, or my delivery guy, so why am I expected to tip at a restaurant?

White knights will screech that wait staff can legally be paid less than minimum wage. So what? Take another job if that’s such a problem.

I think the Euros have it right and we in America should have laws against service industries underpaying wait staff on the expectation of customer tips covering the difference. Oh, but then Fatty Matty Yglesias will have to pay more up front for his authentically amerindian infarction platter.

The REAL reason we’re expected to tip wait staff is that they’re mostly young women. Fuck off, it’s not my problem, pay them a decent wage.

In the cities, the wait staff are young women, gays, or vibrants. White, conspicuously heterosexual male servers are a dying breed.

Escorts give WAY better service than waitresses but they come with an agreed price up front. If I don’t have to tip a woman for pounding her in every hole, why should I tip her for moving some plates around?

The final argument I’d like to address is the “it’s the only job many single mothers can get”. If a MAN was in that position no one would care. “Hey bro, truck driver is the only job I can get, give me an extra fifty for delivery of the pallet.” His feet wouldn’t touch the fucking ground on the way out.

Tips are a semi-forced transfer of money from men to women. Ideally stop tipping completely, practically stop tipping anywhere that you’re not a regular.

The reason the entitled male truck driver would get laughed out of the deal for demanding a tip is the same reason women in general are coddled and men have to stoically endure their hardships:

The Fundamental Premise.

Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Every psychological dynamic you see playing out in mass societies liberated from artificial constraints on the sexual market flows from this premise. This means, as a systemic matter, women are coddled, men are upbraided. Women are victims, men are victimizers. Women need a leg up, men need to man up. Women have advocacy groups, men have equal opportunity violations. A woman subjected to the indignity of eavesdropping on a tame joke about dongles makes national news, while the chilling fact that 95% of all workplace deaths are suffered by men barely pings the media consciousness.

It is what it is, and it will never change so long as humans are a sexually reproducing species. All the laws in the world can at best only paper over the very primal compulsion of people to value the life of the average woman more than the life of the average man, and sympathize accordingly. Railing against it is akin to shaking a fist at sunspots and gamma rays.

Commenter PA once had a suggestion that you should only tip young White men, reasoning that economically self-sufficient White men are more critical to healthy sexual and marriage market functioning than are young women with spending cash (who are liable to ride the cock carousel with their economic freedom and liberation from needing beta male provisioning). Not to mention, young women can spread their legs for the easy life, which is an option unavailable to men.

I think that’s a good rule of life, and if you balk in the manner of a purs’d-lip white knight or quivering mangina, maybe you should remind yourself that tipping, however generous, never got a man laid.





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  1. I tip. I’m going to keep tipping but I don’t tip hot waitresses more. That’s just stupid. If you want to pay for a hot girl, get a whore.

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    • IRS taxes them as if they got tipped.

      The system is brutal. Don’t eat at sit-down restaurants or have a word with the owner if you care so much.

      Don’t fuck little people who are working shit jobs in order to stick it to the MAN.

      If you wanna stick it to the fuckin man, GO FIND HIM and bust a cap to his dome or something. THAT will make a fuckin difference.

      Stiffing waitresses or cursing at .roach CSRs on the phone…df difference does it make?

      Hertz recently rented me a van that they didn’t even have at that location. The nog helping me behind the desk, df was I gonna do, unload on him? It wasn’t his fault. THEY put him in that position to have to take abuse. Same with the wait staff. So exercise some self-restraint.

      And you motherfuckers say *I* am the one who has no heart? dafuq

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      • IRS taxes them as if they got tipped

        Every single service industry worker under reports their cash tips. I usually try to leave cash so they don’t have to pay the full freight taxes.The IRS won’t let you declare 0 but they’re not auditing waitresses and bartenders only declaring 50-75% of their cash tips.

        Don’t fuck little people who are working shit jobs in order to stick it to the MAN.

        Agreed, it’s just petty.

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      • And you motherfuckers say *I* am the one who has no heart? dafuq

        No one ever accused you of that.

        Being an irreverent, blasphemous, snarky, n1gger-fucking, DC jet-set-poseur, yes…

        … but not heartless.

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      • ” It wasn’t his fault. THEY put him in that position to have to take abuse. Same with the wait staff. So exercise some self-restraint.”

        Amazing more people don’t understand this. Whenever my cell phone company fucks up my bill (which is frequent) I always remain calm and tell the customer service rep I’m not angry with him. He didn’t make the mistake.

        They’re considerably more helpful after just hearing that. Rationality is, after all, what makes us White people.

        Glad you’re all my bros.
        FE

        PS
        Jobs everyone should have at some point to give proper perspective:
        Restaurant (really shitty)
        Manual labor (shitty in an entirely different way)
        Business owner (eating everyone’s shit all day every day)

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      • 1) Servers used to be able to underreport. 95%+ of restaurant revenue is card-based now. Tips have to be recorded for servers to get paid, hence no more underreporting.

        2) Tips are mandatory, dicks. If you don’t want to tip, sit your sad ass at home. But, until tipping is outlawed, servers are paid by customers. And before you’re there to act like a bitch, they’re cleaning bathrooms, polishing brass, sweeping floors, cleaning table set-ups, etc. So, when you tip them, you’re tipping them for all the other shit before and after shift.

        3) If you want to outlaw tipping, no restauranteur gives a shit. We pay tax matching, unemployment, and workers comp on total payroll, including tips, so not paying hourly doesn’t save us shit. We’ll raise all the prices 20% and then pay servers hourly. No skin off our nutsack. However, you’ll lose the ability to reward/punish and develop a relationship with your servers. I have long time wealthy customers who come in and drop a C-note or more for EVERY server around Christmas. Be those guys. Don’t be non-tipping dicks.

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      • >Every single service industry worker under reports their cash tips.

        you’re automatically taxed for 10% of your sales. if you under-report you are still on the line for that much.

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      • No, the IRS does not tax them as if they got tipped.

        Thats a service industry LIE that needs to stop.

        The IRS taxes only on actual tips reported. IF servers report tips under a threshold percentage of sales, then the IRS will flag the restaurant to see why that is. But they won’t impute tip income to a server unless they investigate and determine theres underreporting going on either by the server or the restaurant.

        And another service industry LIE is that servers get paid less than minimum wage. That is also false. A restaurant can claim a tip credit (up to $5.12) against the wage a server is paid only so long as the server actually earned enough tips to cover the tip credit. But if the server does not actually earn enough tips to cover the tip credit then the restaurant must pay the server the difference. And in ABSOLUTELY NO CIRCUMSTANCES can a restaurant permit a server to earn less then minimum wage, and must make up any difference.

        And lets be clear here. I’ve worked in all positions in restaurants of all kinds since 1990 and have NEVER seen a server earn so little in tips to where the restaurant must pay the difference in the tip credit. (With the exception of extremely slow nights where the server gets sent home almost immediately.) Most servers will earn 15-20/hr with their wage and with the tip credit applied. Some much more. Never does it come out to minimum wage or close to it.

        What tipping does is transfer income from the restaurant and its non-service employees to the servers, and it especially impacts the back of house staff (cooks and dishwashers) who have much more difficult jobs in much harsher conditions but receive about 1/2 the income of the service staff. In most restaurants the service staff will take home more income than everyone but the GM and maybe the exec Chef, and will work half to one quarter of the hours of the upper management.

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    • If you’re so upset about tipping, there’s a simple solution, don’t go to places or use services where tipping is expected. Of course none of these whiny bitches will do that. They’re all for principals, as long as it’s someone else that has to bear the burden for them.

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    • What the hell does tipping for food service have to do with getting laid? You think the girl is going to give you a bj in your car if you give her a good tip? lol You think she’s going to go out with you after she gets off and she’s tired and you’ve waited around hours for her?
      She probably stinks of stale food from being around a kitchen for hours haha

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  2. “I don’t tip. Why should I tip the person who brings food to my table, but not the chef? I don’t tip retail workers, fast food workers, or my delivery guy, so why am I expected to tip at a restaurant?”

    Buscemi joined the Chateau?

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    • Beat me to the punch… that whole scene deserves a spot:

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      • This isn’t the first time I’ve seen this scene referenced in regards to tipping. I’ve always seen it as Buscemi’s character is all tough when he’s screwing over some lower class waitress, but as soon as the boss shows up, he coughs up the money like a bitch.

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      • Not so much like a bitch… the boss paid for the breakfast, so he defers… it’s the boss, after all. He holds his own against the peer group pretty well.

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      • When Joe asks who didn’t buck up, Mr Orange rats out Mr Pink. Rat tell

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    • Because all of those people make a good salary but the waiter doesn’t.

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  3. To add insult to injury, many take-out places are now adding a “delivery fee,” none of which goes to the delivery person (you’re still expected to tip them.)

    An then there’s the percentage, which just keeps going up, and up, and up… First 10%, then 15%, and now they’re pushing for 20%. And you can’t blame that on inflation, since it’s a ₣u¢king PERCENTAGE that amounts to a total that escalates right along with prices.

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    • It’s worse than that. Traditionally, you’re supposed to tip based on the pretax value of the food. When a delivery app gives you the option to automatically tip a certain percentage, look at how it affects the actual total — if you pick 10%, it will add 10% of food + tax + pre-existing fees. (The only exception I’ve seen is the Chipotle app.) Same with iPad payment interfaces at the counter. Hey, somebody’s gotta pay for the iPad.

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  4. It’s all lies man. 20% tip for carrying ONE plate of steak? $12 tip for one plate??

    Fuck off, here’s $2 for your “effort”.

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  5. on November 15, 2018 at 10:46 am Captain John Charity Spring MA

    You don’t tip staff at bars in London.

    Tips at restaurants keep chicks independent of men too long. Waiters live and play hard too. Enormous amounts of cocaine.

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    • It depends. At a good hotel bar or where a waiter takes your order at a table for a drink you would tip.
      And let’s also remember that in Europe everything is more expensive, as well as putting 20% VAT taxes on almost everything so even tipping 20% in the US is still cheaper.

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  6. on November 15, 2018 at 10:53 am The Alaska Poaster

    A good reason to keep tipping is because it’s one job where you, as the customer, get to decide what the value of the service was. From a service/product cost ratio standpoint, I would estimate the most-tipped job is a barista. Lots of small tips adding up throughout the shift from almost every customer, who may spend no more than $5, whereas waitresses rarely serve every customer, especially in a popular restaurant where people spend ten times that or more. One place I have generally seen predominately white (presumably hetero) men constitute the majority of the waitstaff is at upscale double-eagle steakhouses. It is at places like these, where you are treated like an honored guest, that I will tip up to 20%.

    The case for tips: as a customer, deciding the value of your table service is how you keep restaurants in check. Bad service can ruin good food. And if you think about it, eliminating tips coupled with a guaranteed elevated wage for all waiters will only mean the food will get more expensive, so you’re paying for it either way. With a tip, at least you have a choice to pay or not.

    [CH: “you, as the customer, get to decide the value of the service”. correct in theory, but in practice it rarely plays out this way. most people who aren’t low empathy sociopaths will feel pressure to tip the maximum 20% no matter the quality of service. i’ve seen this play out; only when the service is exceedingly bad does everyone at our table agree on a lower tip. most times, people aren’t keen on docking a waitress 5 or 10% for shitty service, unless she’s god awful.]

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  7. donny handing off his twatter to some college aged zit faced beltway yiddler (brimming with nepotistic ignorance) who is obviously chock full of ca catholic envy aka jared kushner…all while actual MAGA homes were burning down was the TIPPING point for them. fuck the kardashians, fuck kimye, fuck all the fake celebs. they didn’t vote for MAGA and they aren’t from here. but i speak for me and my people, and while the MAGA bodies were still at the morgue our MAGA houses were burned…and donny handed his twatter off to some jew to throw gas on the fire errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr salt on the wounds of the very fucking people that supported him day 1.

    when the most intelligent trumpers since 2015 get shit on by the people donny (((delegated))) to, then you know MAGA is dead.

    fuck you donald you dumb fuck

    you should have listened to me

    ps. yo CO…nick saban was a football state title winner in west virginia in 1968 and his mother’s name is mary. if you know something i don’t, then i suggest you get your jewdar repaired

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  8. Going to a good restaurant is an experience in theater. The waiter or waitress pretends you are somebody important rather than the relative nobody that you are. Good wait staff consider this an acting job and enjoy pleasing people, rather than a low level demeaning job for the uneducated. Some restaurants purposely hire attractive young women. As a repeat customer I find adding a 20 percent tip allows flirting privileges, faster service and better prepared food. It may cost 15 percent less in France, but waiter surliness is legendary there.

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    • There was a hilarious FB page a few years back called Body Builders Against Tipping- the trolling of waiters making comments was epic.

      But service at top tier restaurants is usually outstanding, and worthy of a tip, and I hate tipping.

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    • on November 15, 2018 at 5:26 pm Libertarian_Pill

      What kind of person would prefer to overpay for some food, just for the theater experience? Why not go to the theater for entertainment and to the restaurant for food? To each his own, I guess.

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    • on November 15, 2018 at 5:26 pm Libertarian_Pill

      What kind of person would prefer to overpay for some food, just for the theater experience? Why not go to the theater for entertainment and to the restaurant for food? To each his own, I guess.

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  9. “Tipping never got a man laid”

    BUT: Not tipping can get a man laid.

    Lesson in there.

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  10. I say tip as the late physicist Richard Feynman liked to do. Fill a glass with water, put the money in, and invert it where the water and lip of the glass form a seal. (You will need a sheet of plastic to implement this trick.)
    The waitress will be so (one o, thank you) frustrated.

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  11. I tip men way more than women. I know that she can get everything paid for by a man, if not already. Otherwise she blows it on an iPhone and makeup.
    InB4 “single mothers”. If I knew she was a single mother I would give her nothing.

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  12. There’s a large sector of “vibrant” folk who are known as horrible tippers.
    Why be like them?

    I’ll keep tipping as an evil white man.
    15-20%, more when warranted.
    There’s staff that see me at the door, my drink is at my table before I get seated.

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    • Yup, worked at a restaurant where the clientele was more vibrant. Notoriously shitty tippers. They’d also call in to-go orders and ask how much each item menu was and when they’d come in to pay, they’d shell out benji (our tax money, naturally.)

      Had a talented tenth couple that would tip appropriately.

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      • Yep. I was a teen when I waited tables. Whenever a party of blackies would reserve a table (almost always for a birthday) we would call them “birfday partiez.”

        No one ever wanted to wait on them. Demanding and time consuming with no reward.

        In the good ole 90’s the hostess would even write them into the seating chart as birfday partiez.

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      • In modern PC parlance, servers adopted the slang “Canadians” for the cheap ass no-tipping minorities. Back when I started in the 90’s, I learned to just frighten the 16yr old cuties they hired as hostesses into never seating Canadians in my section. And being openly hostile to Canadians made all of the young cuties moist.

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      • I was framing a house in a very upscale place and went to the diner which was the most expensive looking one I ever saw and there were 5 of us everybody else was execs in suits and dresses we were in A shirts and shorts. so I started banging one of the waitresses and she told me that when the girls saw us coming in and there were like 10 of them they would start arguing over who was gonna wait on us cause believe it or not we were the biggest tippers out of all the rich fucks there

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    • I have been a waiter and bartender and since then I have always been a decent tipper.

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      • I was a busboy in high school. We busboys (all male) were also paid below the minimum wage and were supposed to receive 10% of the tips received by the waitresses (all female). Guess how much we actually got.

        An early lesson in female entitlement. And I think it gives me a lifetime pass to hate the tipping system. (I still tip, of course, but I don’t have to like it. Give me the European/Asian/everywhere-not-the-US system of fair wages for wait staff and zero tips.)

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      • on November 15, 2018 at 6:28 pm Lord of the Gulf Stream

        My experience in Brazil, where there is no tipping, was the absolutely worst fucking waiters of all time. Since they get paid the same for good service or shitty service, guess what you get.

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    • An ex of mine used to work as the token white girl at one of those Japanese places where they cook in front of you. She was disgusted by the vibrant clientele, but she said the Asians who owned and ran the place had a hatred for them that was exponentially beyond anything expressed by even the most stereotypical “racist redneck kkk” (((hollywood))) character.

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  13. You don’t need to tip the escort because you already gave her one

    Ah, escorts. . . .

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  14. a service charge is less offensive than the tipping because it’s more evenly distributed. even so it should like 10% maximum.

    20% tipping is insane

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    • I believe in Europe (Germany, at least) it was customary to have the tip/service charge automatically added to the bill… I can’t remember if it was 12% or 18%.

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      • Germans dont tip at all or very little. You are thinking of Italy where its called Coperto. Most of Germanic Europe is that way. German wait staff get paid a decent wage. It has become more common than before but its is around 2 to 5%. Most people round up to the nearest whole number. I had a small lunch today that cost 10.20 Euro and rounded it up to 12. That was actually a pretty good tip.

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      • Maybe that’s why I remember it being automatically added to the bill… I’m talking back in the eighties, of course, maybe things changed. But I know for fact at one of the nicer restaurants I went to they had a specific line item for it, and I told the folks I was with that it was a novel idea.

        Now, some restaurants on this side of the pond do it if the bill is above a certain amount, like $100, or for parties of 8 and higher.

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      • coperto in italy is “seat charge”. eating in balcony is cheaper in coffeeshops and restaurants.

        in usa if your bill is 100 dollars, it’s actually something like 130 dollars after tip and tax. in (most of) europe if it’s 100… is 100 dollars.

        I hate that vallet thing too. what a rip off. they are even doing it in my country

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  15. this reads like INCEL rage. don’t be a cheap bast4rd. i always tip big. those people make slave wages.

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  16. “Commenter PA once had a suggestion that you should only tip young White men, reasoning that economically self-sufficient White men are more critical to healthy sexual and marriage market functioning than are young women with spending cash”

    Also, men appreciate tips more than women do. Women will like (or not like) you regardless.

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  17. As long as the food was good and the staff at least competent, I usually tip like a drunken sailor. I was always a bit sporty with my gelt. 😉

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  18. This post is right. Having the power to reward good service directly and enjoying lower menu prices is outrageous. And just think of all that untaxed income Uncle Sam could use for more progressive policies to get us to the current year! Our Government needs to act.

    By the way, we need more regulation and higher property taxes on restaurants. It does not raise prices and they need to pay their fair share.

    #Fightfor15
    #Clinton2020

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    • on November 15, 2018 at 5:32 pm Libertarian_Pill

      I know, right? I was surprised too that the solution offered in this post serves to increase the degeneracy (petty legalism, overregulation, and suppression of private property rights).

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  19. Tip well to help your local single “mudders”

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  20. Tip your Pizza drivers more. They actually expend some effort getting your food to you.
    Service in the USA is much better than most of the world and tipping is why. Incentives work.
    Also, my brief experience as a pizza driver showed me that white men tip the best. Black men tip pretty well too. Women tip less and black women the least of all.
    (Most of my experience was before Mexicans moved into the South so I can’t comment on them)

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  21. Many states do have laws against underpaying service workers and counting tips as part of the whole years min wage. My current state of residency does not allow it and the feds have also ruled that tips paid by check or credit card can also be fully assumed by the establishment and distributed at the discretion of management.

    This is one post I think a little dated in its criticism. .

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  22. Come on now, tipping is just another in a long line of covert wealth transfers from Whites to non-Whites and their kosher handlers. Just like auto insurance, Obamacare, property taxes, and welfare.

    The White beast of burden pays vastly more than his fair share so that all of the freeloading parasites can skate by without giving up anything at all.

    Blacks, Asians, other non-Whites, women, and Tribals are all well-known to be absolutely terrible tippers. Just ask anyone who has been a waiter in a big city for more than a year. I see it every day myself. Some disgusting looking bug person from China will order a bunch of high-maintenance dogsh!t from Starbucks and then pay with their debit card and leave zero tip. They waste ten minutes of everyone’s time with their retarded questions, their retarded indecision, and their retarded orders that require a bunch of special treatment. And they tip NOTHING. Then I step up and order a black coffee, in and out of there in ten seconds, and I am the SUCKER tipping 50 cents or a buck.

    I’m tired of it! I am finished paying extra so that minorities and women can get by without contributing. Absolutely done. If some “poor helpless” waiterfags get chapped over it, tough, they should choose a career more befitting of a White Man where they are not surrounded by subhuman low-IQ invaders.

    Tipping is for BETAS!!!

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    • Starbucks is a fast food place that serves coffee etc and is not different from a MickyD’s where you tell them how you want something. Do you tip there?
      And your other nonsense about insurance and real estate taxes sounds like something a kid would write.
      Auto insurance (liability) is necessary because with so many slugs, illegals and noggers around, if one should hit you and cause physical injury (either as a driver or pedestrian) or damage your property, the only way of collecting is to sue. These people have no money so this would mean you get nothing for your injuries or property damage.
      Of course normal people carry liability And comprehensive, fire, theft, collision and uninsured motorist etc
      You just bought a new Bentley and some Chicano in a broken down truck hits you.Even if he has liability it’s usually the minimum and not enough to cover the damage. No fault insurance is for medical and loss of salary etc but even here the guy may have the min. law requirement.
      So you really have to look out for yourself, you’re driving the Bentley and he’s driving the pickup so it’s just one of those crosses you have to bear for being the richer guy.Like income taxes and real estate taxes.

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  23. Who wins when the WHITE MAN tips 20%?

    1. The greedy tribesman who owns the place and pays his employees sh!t wages.

    2. The greedy tribesman at the IRS who gets to tax a waiter’s tips even though they were intended as a direct gift between two parties.

    3. The drug-addicted alcoholic whore who works waitress and bartender jobs to support her carousel hobby.

    4. The FOTB bugpeople who came over to steal all of our low-skill jobs that were intended for teenagers.

    5. The penny-pinching blacks, mexicans, asians, and j3ws who NEVER tip because they are self-centered garbage, but they get away with it because Whites tip more than enough for everybody.

    Have you EVER heard blacks, women, mexicans, chinese, j3ws, or anyone else besides WHITE MEN being shamed for being poor tippers? Nope! Neither have I!!!! It’s just another part of the “white man owes me a living” guilt complex that has infected our feminized society. That tells you all you need to know – White Men are the ONLY people on the planet held to the absurd standard of tipping 20% for terrible service. That’s reason enough to stop doing it.

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  24. Tipping ain’t no city in China, ya cheap bastids.

    Throw in yer buck like everyone else.

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  25. Generosity in tipping sex workers reaps benefits in the end.

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  26. This reminds me of the book The Itching Palm by William R. Scott, in 1916. Lays out a large case why tipping is wrong, and the effects it has in America.

    You can read it on Project Gutenberg here:

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/33170/33170-h/33170-h.htm

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  27. if you’ve waited tables or spoken with people who do, you’ll discover that blacks and mestizos tip at rates much less than whites

    asians i’ve known tend to tip exorbitantly, or not at all, depending on mood

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    • And if you’re a good looking man, the gays will tip you well.

      Yes, it happened to me and the fat latinx waitress who had a crush on me made it a point to reference that fact to me

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  28. Look, I think it’s good policy to tip any wait staff, so long as the service is good. I am not going to withhold tips due to someone’s race (this is what *black people do). Also, do you really want the hassle? I once stiffed a waitress by accident and she ran out and confronted me outside, “Was there something wrong with my service??!?!”.

    I tip less than 20% for bad/mediocre service. And I only stiff waitstaff who show me outright disrespect. If someone is obviously doing their best to wait on me, they get their 20%. Anyone who has worked these gigs does the same.

    As for carry-out or coffee orders, I rarely tip unless I’ve gotten to know the employee a bit and am a regular. I despise the pressure to tip in these circumstances. Has anyone noticed the awkward moment when you select “no tip” and and cashier glances at your tip? It’s an odd, aggressive dance designed to make you feel uncomfortable.

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    • I grew up with the standard rate being 15% and that’s what I still stick to.

      I agree that if the service is great, then they’ll get that from me. If not, then it varies based on what I’m buying.

      I also take into consideration how busy the place is and if they’re like one one of a few waiters on hand. As those who have worked in the industry know, when one mofo calls out sick, it’s a pain.

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  29. on November 15, 2018 at 1:39 pm Enfant Terrible

    I tip, but I don’t like the concept of tipping as a way for people to augment their base salaries, because they are not being paid enough by their employers. It’s seems to me, to be a very Jewish concept. I enjoy tipping as an additional reward for someone that did an above average job.

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  30. 10 year male bartender here.

    I (obviously) disagree. I started out as a server at P.F. Chang’s in college and transitioned into bartending from there.

    Clearly, tipping passes the cost of labor directly onto to customer. But the alternative – paying a higher wage – just raises the prices and achieves the same result. If you go to a sit-down restaurant, you factor tipping into the expected cost. So it’s basically six one way, half-dozen the other.

    There are significant benefits to tipping for both the server and the customer. As the customer, you get to choose how much you pay for labor. So if they are awful or you just don’t tip, you have that option. And if they are awesome or you just want to make someone’s day, you can do that, too. Either way, the decision is placed in your hands instead of being automatically factored into the menu price.

    On average, tipping creates better service as well. The obvious benefit is that servers try harder in order to earn better tips. A less obvious benefit is that higher quality people are willing to wait and tend bar as a result. I would never have stuck with serving or bartending if I was making a flat $15/hr. The reason I’ve been doing it throughout my twenties is because I give great service and am rewarded for it. I average between 25-30% on tips, nearly half of which is untaxed. That’s very good money for what is essentially unskilled labor.

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    • Yeah this. I honestly don’t think Americans would enjoy the hospitality service culture that would come about if tipping was eradicated.

      Think of the service you get from a gas station attendant and that’s basically the norm in Australian hospitality.

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    • At least you admit right away that you are arguing from biased self-interest.
      You are wrong though. The problem with passing on the labor cost directly in the form of a tip like that is multifaceted. What it basically does is apply a communist model to the modern workplace.

      The slippery slope has been in full effect, with it going from 10% optional gratuity when I was a child, to the now mandatory 20% minimum, and everyone who has any professional interaction with you expects a tip for doing their jobs.

      I could write an entire treatise on why tipping is bad for the consumer, the worker, and the nation, but I will simplify it. Tipping rewards the lazy at the expense of the hard-working. It outsources the job of quality control to disinvested parties (the manager should control the quality and consistency of service, not the customer). If a customer gets bad or mediocre service, the vast majority of them will still tip the obligatory 20% and leave, never to return. In the eyes of the staff and managers, the server did a great job and nothing is wrong. In reality the server did a bad job and lost a customer but it will never be properly accounted for.

      On the consumer side, it uses the twisted perversion of communism as applied to the payment model. As another comment mentioned, the good tippers have to make up for all the racial groups who simply refuse to tip because they believe the world owes them something. What’s worse, the tip is not revealed until after the service is rendered. So if anything it encourages discrimination and bad service. Why would a server demonstrate the same level of courtesy to a large black group, that she would a white elderly couple, when she knows the blacks are unlikely to tip?

      Also, it’s a sneaky way of piling on extra costs and using psychological games to prevent people from realizing how hard they are getting jewed on the prices when they go out to eat or drink. If they just paid the workers a decent wage and priced it into the services, they know that their business would shrink because the idiot NPCs would finally realize how much cash they are dumping.

      That said I’m a pretty nice guy who tips well in real life but I resent feeling like it’s required, rather than a reward for going above and beyond. It’s a completely jewish system and mindset that would think tipping is a good thing to do.

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      • This shit has inspired me bro. I’m going to pen a fucking opus on why tipping is degenerate. Leave it to Boomers to invent such a retarded system, which of course conveniently allows them to offshore all their business responsibilities. A nation that tips is a nation in decline. A healthy ethnostate would see rosy-cheeked teens cheerfully delivering top-notch service, expecting only a thank you in return. Boomers. Man. What a bunch.

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    • If you look at overall customer expense, then tipping artificially inflates that. If there was no tipping the customer would probably be paying slightly less than they do now (factoring in the tip of course). As it stands now with tips in the 15-20% range, the breakdown of distribution of customer expenditure is that service labor cost is the highest percentage after food cost…its more than BOH labor, more than management labor, more than rent even. If tipping were removed the service staff would be paid a good deal less, making 10-15/hr rather than 15-20/hr, the difference being distributed between the customer, the owner, and the rest of the staff.

      And I would greatly disagree with the notion that tipping increases service quality. What I see tipping do in most places is provide incentive to give high service only to ones own tables, and disregard everything else (other customers, other employees, other duties such as cleaning and maintenance). Why do anything else if it doesn’t affect your tips? When I waited tables I didn’t give a damn about anything that didn’t affect my tables. And when I’ve cooked almost every night I would have servers standing around the pass doing absolutely nothing while I’m trying to get food ran, but nobody wants to do it if its not food for their tables. And god help the fella who tries to get a waitress to clean anything, or even break down a freaking cardboard box.

      Tipping breaks apart the teamwork aspect that is present in most other jobs, and in other areas of the restaurant that aren’t paid according to tips. I’ve seen much much greater teamwork in the kitchens where there is no pay split, because every table is “your table.” And I’ve seen servers throw the entire rest of the restaurant under the bus just to benefit one of their own tables. (Don’t tell me you’ve never seen a server slink off with a plate that belonged to another table, knowing full well that it was somebody else’s.) Without tipping we’d see better service overall throughout the restaurants, as then every table becomes YOUR table, and not just the tables in your section.

      And you say you wouldn’t work for a flat $15…but theres plenty of cooks and dishwashers working for much less than that, doing much more difficult work than serving in much harsher conditions. So while you might not be willing to work for that pay rate I can assure you theres plenty of people who would. Which is further evidence that tipping artificially inflates server pay at the expense of the owner, customer, management, and back of house staff.

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  31. Some people do more than others. Simple.

    This is a dumb post , honestly.

    And if the owner of the company is on site, he will usually tip the driver, in the construction industry.

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  32. What annoys me is how restaurant receipts don’t show sales tax anymore– so patrons will pay tips on the total bill, not just the bill before the tax.

    I undertip at restaurants that pull that shit.

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  33. Tipping is reinforced by “actors” in the film industry because they are all starving artists trying to make it big and the only way they can sustain themselves is to work in service industry where there is tipping. Reservoir Dogs, mr pink stating why he dont tip and the ultimate conclusion for the audience is to feel shame for not tipping……more gaslighting from (((Hollywood))) to get the gentiles to pay thier slaves through tipping culture

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  34. Don’t tip the sales tax amount. Check your receipt.

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  35. Being British I find the American practice of tipping anyone who provides even a very slight service awkward. I have dined in a number of American restaurants in the Orlando and Tampa areas, and found the service people to be cynical,manipulative and endlessly camp,bubbly and over familiar.
    Americans it seems can’t get enough of faux friendliness that is why they like to criticise Continental service staff because on the Continent you’ll get professional service but not endless Uriah Heep like fawning.

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    • Well said. It’s as if the phony grins and effusive gesticulating should be more than enough to compensate for 90 minutes of soul-crushingly subpar service. You’d assume they don’t even know that you can see and hear their wretched machinations just beyond arms reach.

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  36. We don’t tip in Oz, ever. It’s such a foreign concept to us. One thing I’ll say though is that you get more polite service in the US hospitality industry, because they’re working off tips. In Australia they don’t go out of their way to give exceptional service because they’re getting the same pay regardless. So there’s that to consider.

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    • But that is the fault of their idiotic and sackless bosses. A good business owner is just about as rare as a good waiter these days. Here’s how it works: you hire and retain good people by paying them slightly above average. You ruthlessly cull underperformers. Simple and logical. The first time a customer is shown lukewarm service, becomes that employee’s final day on the job. Why is that so difficult to understand? I’ll tell you why – it’s a world of spineless, contemptible CUCKS. Most of these problem staff are coozes or muddshits and that is why the Boomer CUCKS who run the place will never discipline them.

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    • I’m sure that waiters at a top restaurant are paid more.Workers at an average place where they are all paid the same could still be afraid of losing their job if they fuck around.

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  37. There’s no tipping in NZ. Whenever I’m in a country where tips are expected, I find it detracts from the atmosphere; there’s something unWhite about it—like haggling—that grates against my high-trust, efficient, White sensibilities.

    Unlike Mr Meaner I haven’t noticed better service in the US.

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  38. While we are on the subject of tipping and service, has anyone else noticed that over the past 5 years or so, the level of naked hostility and poor service directed at White Men by mudds and women has steadily increased? It’s at the point now where no matter how friendly I attempt to be, most black female cashiers and waitstaff are absolute cUunts to me and hardly even try to hide it. You can just see the dumb envy, bitterness, and hatred behind their vacant gaze. They hate but they don’t know why at all. I am hateful as fuck but I know exactly why and I can back every bit of it up with scientific evidence. They are in the opposite position – they have every legitimate reason to be kissing my ass and thanking the hell out of me for what my people have done for them.

    But anyway yea, the bitches still expect big tips but they don’t even pretend that they aren’t anti-white whores. It really grinds my gears that complacent shit cucks who manage these places don’t have the stones to control their own workforce. Fucking pussies. I just don’t go out and give the pricks my business anymore. Fuck it let them enjoy their slow death at the hands of diversity.

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  39. *tips fedora*

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  40. if everyone stopped tipping, wait staff would quit, threatening restaurants with shutdown. to prevent this they will pay wait staff more. this cost will be subsidized by customers, increasing the price of dining. ultimately no gain to you, short term loss to employees, owners, and customers.

    you’re advocating for a parallel change, and in the mean-time, exploiting the present agreed-upon system.

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    • Wrong! Everyone stops tipping. Waitstaff goes on strike. Rich jew boomer peels open his fat wallet and finally pays his people a living wage. Price of food reflects wage increase.

      Boomer Boss now expects better service and performance out of his people since he is paying them more and providing a steady and guaranteed income, as opposed to the spotty and unpredictable tips. Boomer Boss finally grows some balls and starts firing rude and incompetent employees, rewarding better workers with those shifts instead. Boomer Boss pulls head from rectum and implements standards in his place of business so that each and every customer is treated well as a matter of course.

      Billy Bartender makes more money now, because Felicia FuckAround got shitcanned for playing on her phone too much. Billy still gets tips here and there because he is such a great bartender, but he doesn’t expect them because he gets by just fine without them. So when he gets one, he’s genuinely appreciative, and he flashes a big smile and works that much harder. It really makes his day.

      Danny Diner gets much better service than before. He does pay about the same but it looks like more on the menu. However, Danny Diner is not a complete moron. He understands that when you factor in not having to pay the tip, he’s coming out the same. But if a worker treats him poorly, he knows that instead of being limited to the impotent recourse of tipping 17% instead of 20%, he can actually complain to management and see something done about it.

      Stop thinking with a quasi-communist, uberk0sher mentality, and you’ll quickly understand that obligatory tipping is a net negative. Prove me wrong.

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    • Tipping could be eliminated.Just raise the prices 20% and pay higher salaries:or charge a 20% service charge so that better waiters working in top restaurants where prices are higher would make more than lower places where the food is cheaper. The better waiters at he good places would still make more.
      Also, you’d keep a lot of losers and noggers out of places when they know 20% is going to be added to the bill. These people who don’t tip are like getting a 20% discount. Make them pay or they can go to MickyD’s

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  41. I can’t stand tipping. And all the arguments for it are nonsense. And what is this “good service” stuff? All I see is fake smiles, annoying over-familiarity, stupid small talk, and the bothersome “More coffee?” and “How is everything?”

    Where I live, Japan, there is absolutely no tipping, and the “service” is great and so is the food. If the servers don’t work well, they get fired. If the food is bad, complain or just don’t go back.

    Plus, there is a kind of an ugly snob appeal to tipping. My sister, for example told me: “My husband is a great tipper. He gives at least 30%” And being the contrarian I am, I said, “Well, why doesn’t he become an even better tipper and tip at least 40%?”

    The tipping system is idiotic.

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  42. We tip in Europe as well and anyone who worked in this service knows that tips get pooled together from all waiters and waitresses and divided with the kitchen staff et al.

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    • In the US theres some tip pooling, but its illegal to share with kitchen staff. Per tax rules, tip pooling can only include workers who “customarily receive tips” so that includes most Front of House staff such as servers, hosts, bartenders, and busboys. Cooks, dishwashers, janitors, management, etc are forbidden from being paid out of a tip pool. In most US restaurants a server will “tip out” a percentage of their tips to their support staff (hosts, busboys, bartenders) and this is considered a tip pool.

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  43. Sorry, he’s rationalizing being a cheapskate and a jackass. Wonder if he is a special person. Or mr pink

    I know, employers SHOULD pay waitstaff a living wage, but until they do, tip your waiter or cook at home. Healthier anyway.

    Don’t be a jackass.

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  44. This is the most autistic post I’ve ever seen on CH.

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