Flip The Compliance Script On Self-Entitled Girls

Reader Wrong Side of History has a good question about girls who try to guilt you to do things for them that they claim their beta male orbiters do for them without being asked.

What’s the best response to a bitch trying to guilt-trip you into doing something by telling you how readily one of her beta orbiters would do it?

There are plenty of ways to effectively address this Voight-Kampff alpha male character test, which all more or less involve over-the-top sarcastic agreement, dismissive ZFG, or sly innuendo that her beta orbiter is her lover. Here are some replies offered by readers:

“sounds like you’ve already got an errand boy. you don’t need another one.” (this one was from yours truly)

“anal”

“A&A that shit… tell her she should def fuck him as a thank you…”

“Sounds like a keeper. You oughta marry him.”

“He sounds like a really nice guy.” (the shiv is strong in this one)

“Rape.” Cold stare. Walk away. (one guess who wrote this)

“I always knew there was something between you two!” (also from yours truly)

“sorry, I’ll be busy shampooing my cat.” (ditto yours truly, and I really like this one because it humorously co-opts the ludicrous excuses of girls who aren’t even trying to sound plausibly unavailable)

“Give her the double middle fingers, kick her in the gut, and deliver a Stone Cold Stunner, BY GAWD, KING, A STUNNER!”

“Hey, can he pick up my laundry?”

But reader plumpjack has the best big picture perspective on the “will you be my beta bux chump” venus vaj trap:

if girl has the courage to guilt trip you about you not being her errand boy then it’s a dead giveaway that you’re not being dominant/assertive enough with her.

the best defense is a good offense. Put the bitch TO WORK. She’s practically begging you to boss her around.

be relentless. every time you talk to her is an opportunity to see if you can get her to do something for you.

it can be small and harmless: “hey can I get your opinion on this… [insert plausible prop here]

it can be ballsy: ” hey would you mind dropping me off at the airport at 5am. thanks”

or it can be completely zfg: “hey I haven’t been laid in awhile would mind if fucked you?”

be creative, zfg, and relentless.

guys get their panties all up in a bunch because a girl beta-baits. fuckin beta-bait HER, dude!

girl who’s beta-baiting you like this is INTERESTED. flip the script and see what you can get HER to do for YOU

Compliance hoops are a critical, and criminally under-explored, facet of seduction. Getting girls to do stuff for you TURNS THEM ON. How? Because when a girl invests in you, her wee hindbrain hamster whispers in her fluttering labial cochlea, “This man must be a catch, otherwise why would you go out of your way for him?” And from that moment of inner revelation forward, your journey with her to the bedroom is lubed with the slickest runaway romance rationalizations.

So FLIP THE COMPLIANCE SCRIPT on self-entitled girls. Every fiber of your beta being will protest this microaggressive intrusion into the female safe space (read: asexual friendzone), but know that this is exactly what girls desire. A self-entitled girl is just a girl who hasn’t yet found a man willing to ignore her entitlement and substitute it with his own sexy sense of entitlement.

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The great American Benjamin Franklin confirmed the efficacy of Game (via Corey),

“This man must be a catch, otherwise why would you go out of your way for him?”

This is called, “The Benjamin Franklin Effect”. Franklin knew a thing or two about game.

People who hate the idea of Game and refuse to learn and accept its lessons are people who disagree, stupidly, with great men like Benjamin Franklin.

It’s nice to have a guy like Ben on one’s side.





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  1. Anytime a girl tries to break your frame:

    Does that work on other guys?

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 8:31 am Captain Obvious

      tb2, the current thinking in the Manosphere is that the subtle way to do that is to already “Assume the Sale” on what you are saying, and move quickly to the “You and Beta-Orbiter-Dude are such a cute couple”, where Beta-Orbiter-Dude is your “other guy” who would gladly have his frame broken.

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  2. […] Flip The Compliance Script On Self-Entitled Girls […]

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 8:34 am Captain Obvious

      Man, I just read that sh!znat on Ben Franklin and Cognitive Dissonance Theory – holy sh!t Batman – if I do someone a favor, and they refuse to watch my back in return, I’m f*cking ready to gut them with a machete. F*ck that sh!znat – I must be at the far opposite extreme of that bell curve for psychological responses.

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  3. Excellent post and response by Plumpjack.

    Definitly need to keep doing this in a LTR. Keep her busy. Every time she asks “you want something” when she is going to the fridge or the store… Load her up!

    Yeah… Some of those white peaches. The organic ones, 3 D batteries, and a salsa that tastes like that green one we had last year in Baja…

    Make it a scavenger hunt…

    Then either reward her with a “good girl… You’re not so bad after all… I’m gonna keep you around” and a hug or teasingly punish any failure…

    Game never ever ends…

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    • Careful about asking her to get you peaches though. You know we women are terrible at picking out good fruit.

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      • I bet you can pick out Spiritwithin though?

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 3:30 pm Captain Obvious

        vicky, I don’t have a real good read on how old you are. But I’m seeing some young chicks nowadays who are so [email protected] lazy that they barely even know how to drive to the grocery store [heck, they’d probably get in a wreck on the way to the store because they’d drive right through a red light with their noses buried in their iPhags]. And their cooking skills consist of throwing Lean Cuisines or Orville Redenbachers in the microwave. “Asking” them to do something would be akin to asking a retarded child to do your pre-med organic chemistry homework for you.

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      • Cap, I’m old in CH years…but raised American-Italian around old-fashioned women and alpha males you learn young to cook, clean and how to take care of a man. Many of these younger women have no idea of these skills but I guess where they lack in those areas they make up for in looking better overall these days? Although if a woman takes care of herself; keeps her hair long, doesn’t get fat then she can do both and not end up looking like her mean old aunt by her 40s lol

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 3:33 pm Captain Obvious

        “Asking” a chick to do something nowadays is going to require a catastrophic amount of sarcasm and snideness and snark: “Okay, now you get the vacuum cleaner out of the closet, and that cord thing, you pull it out, and you pronged part into those little holes in the wall, and then you punch the foot button to lean the vacuum cleaner back, that’s right, okay, now you flip that big power switch with your thumb…”

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 3:36 pm Captain Obvious

        > “you pronged part” ——— you PUSH THAT pronged part. Could also throw in some R-rated sarc: “Just pretend like it’s an alien with three pen!ses, and and his woman has three [email protected]…”

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      • I think she said “good” fruit. 🙂

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      • I thought “white peaches” was a euphemism for her friends. . .

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 4:31 pm gunslingergregi

        Captain Obvious

        “Asking” a chick to do something nowadays is going to require a catastrophic amount of sarcasm and snideness and snark: “Okay, now you get the vacuum cleaner out of the closet, and that cord thing, you pull it out, and you pronged part into those little holes in the wall, and then you punch the foot button to lean the vacuum cleaner back, that’s right, okay, now you flip that big power switch with your thumb…”
        ”””””””’

        chicks just seem to spontaneously clean my house
        course if u are a metrosmesual then your shit will allready be spotless with nothing for a chick to spontaneosly do
        i am not he he he

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 5:15 pm Captain Obvious

        > “chicks just seem to spontaneously clean my house” ——— GSGI, in this day and age, any woman who will work AT ALL is a frigging keeper. Woman are becoming shockingly lazy [and detached from reality]. Heck, a lot of em won’t even carry a child to term – they’ll hire a surrogate and have the embryo implanted in her.

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 5:22 pm Captain Obvious

        > “raised American-Italian around old-fashioned women and alpha males you learn young to cook, clean and how to take care of a man” ——— It’s a dying art, Miss Vicky, a dying Art. Maybe we should make a movie of you cooking and cleaning and taking care of a man – for posterity’s sake – to prove that women once knew how to do these things. You could wear high heels. And nothing else.

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 5:39 pm gunslingergregi

        uhh still a lot of chicks cooking and cleaning i don’t think it is that uncommon
        look at the jobs they do for employers
        are you saying they won’t do the same for a man but they will do anything for an employer
        educate them and only the boss can have them getting coffee refills and doing his dry cleaning for free as interns but they tell their men to fuck off

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 9:25 pm Captain Obvious

        > “uhh still a lot of chicks cooking and cleaning i don’t think it is that uncommon” ——— Not in Bluetropolis. They all have maids and chefs and nannies and whatnot, so that they can spend more time at Nordstrom trying on $1500 blouses and $5000 boots.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 12:21 am gunslingergregi

        Not in Bluetropolis. They all have maids and chefs and nannies and whatnot, so that they can spend more time at Nordstrom trying on $1500 blouses and $5000 boots.”””””””’

        is that regular people?
        the problem with selling to rich people is there are not enough of them
        even in nyc
        or are you saying that is upper middle class now
        or middle class
        where is that at let me check it out he he he

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      • Not just in Bluetropolis. Girls today are going for careers not housewives. Most aren’t learning the traditional things such as how to cook and clean or how to cater to a man. That’s not to say they can’t ever learn them or won’t but I know several younger married couples where both work and it’s dinner out most nights of the week. And honestly I’ve seen guys who are more concerned about a cleaner house than their girls are.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 7:00 am Captain Obvious

        In a typical Bluetropolis “Whiteopia”, you have a sharp divide between the Urban/Near-Urban Uber-Rich White Sh!tards, and the Obama voters [chimp/armadillo/mystery-meat] segregated off in the projects, and then if you drive about ten miles out into the countryside, you get to real White people lower middle class, where the womynz MIGHT still do some work [although even many of them aspire to trade up to Near-Suburban/Urban]. Also, increasingly you have the Section 8s ruining all but the very wealthiest Eskimo neighborhoods.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 7:03 am Captain Obvious

        > “Section 8s ruining all but the very wealthiest Eskimo neighborhoods” ——— MAJORITY OF AMERICANS FEEL LIKE ‘STRANGER IN OWN COUNTRY’ A recent survey… suggests caution for the GOP establishment… 58 percent Americans say they “don’t identify with what America has become.” While Republicans and Independents are the most likely to agree with this statement, even 45 percent of Democrats share this feeling. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/20/majority-americans-feel-like-stranger-country/

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 1:51 pm gunslingergregi

        the problem with selling to rich people is there are not enough of them
        even in nyc””””””

        maybe that solved the riddle
        only so many chicks to buy a 3000 dollar pair of boots but their is a while market that doesnt use toilet paper if they could get them too now a trillion dollar boost and someone becomes rich as fuck

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 1:52 pm gunslingergregi

        so basically all this shitstorm is to get 7 billion more people to buy american shit paper

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 2:10 pm gunslingergregi

        vicky

        Not just in Bluetropolis. Girls today are going for careers not housewives. Most aren’t learning the traditional things such as how to cook and clean or how to cater to a man. That’s not to say they can’t ever learn them or won’t but I know several younger married couples where both work and it’s dinner out most nights of the week. And honestly I’ve seen guys who are more concerned about a cleaner house than their girls are.
        ””””””””””””””””

        well yea they have to escape the ghettos as fast as they are made how many woman have careers though and not slightly better than minimum wage and is working the front at a drs office or any office a career?
        and yea of course men can cook clean work and take care of themselves been done in the army for a while now
        and yea most barracks probably cleaner than most homes

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    • And if she goes to Lowes or Home Depot you must ask her for a flathead left handed screwdriver…

      She will spend an hour there…

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    • on November 20, 2015 at 2:43 pm gunslingergregi

      Yeah… Some of those white peaches. The organic ones, 3 D batteries, and a salsa that tastes like that green one we had last year in Baja…”””””

      rofl yea had mine do the coconut sauce from red lobster chick went over the top and made like 16 bags of the shit in the freezer
      got to love it

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  4. Off-topic: Thought you’d get a kick out of this: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/19/suicide-belt-women-was-paris-terror-mastermind-cousin-screamed-hes-not-my-boyfriend/

    So Abdelhamid Abaaoud is the nitwit* who was able to convince a woman to blow herself up, but he couldn’t get inside her hijab. Apparently, the police paid a bit of a social call to the apartment where he and his bff, Hasna, were hiding out after the Paris attacks. Old Hasna was wearing the latest in suicide fashion vests, but before pulling the rip cord on this mortal coil, she had something very, very important to do. She had to tell the world that she and Abdel were just friends. Twice.

    Talk about getting friend-zoned!

    Your girl is willing to don a dynamite vest, blow up the apartment, cops, and neighbors. But no way is she going let people think she would ever have sex with you. I mean, a girl has to have her standards.

    *The press calls him the “Mastermind” like he’s some kind of Bond villain supergenius, but let’s be honest. He’s a filthy two bit thug with a couple buddies, some hardware, and a lot of nice soft targets. Guy couldn’t mastermind his way onto the sand if you kicked him off a camel.

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  5. ““Rape.” Cold stare. Walk away. (one guess who wrote this)”

    Whorefinder comment rape!

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  6. on November 20, 2015 at 2:45 pm gunslingergregi

    woman are willing to kill people to pass complaince tests
    so if ya think pushing to hard keep that in mind he he he

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    • on November 20, 2015 at 3:02 pm gunslingergregi

      i think if i would of told my chick to kill the 9 people who i had identified as fucking up my city and i promised to marry her she prob would of done it
      but i have morals or some shit bleh

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      • Chuckie Manson rape!

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 3:12 pm gunslingergregi

        yea 9 top drug dealers but i realized there are plenty of blacks to replace them
        there are no white drug dealers in my town funnily enough

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 3:16 pm gunslingergregi

        and apparently my area is tame compared to other places so why rock the boat its semi peaceful now
        other places i hear can’t let your kids outside

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      • Well it’s winter now so we have to tie them with ropes to get between the houses or they get blown off the cliffs into the ocean. No biggie. Same deal with chickens and stuff.

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  7. CH identity rape!

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  8. The various responses are brilliant

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  9. bedroom is lubed with the slickest runway romance rationalization. Nice…

    Kudos to Whorefinder for being an impressive and prodigious Rapist be it logistically–always in the right moment–, in proximity–never very far from his philosophical bent– verbal acuity–no need for explanation– and just good ole plain obnoxiousness…

    I really enjoy this blog, probably because I’m horny and pasty white.

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  10. I was hit with this “but my chump…” statement once.
    I said “Does he let you strap on a dildo and fuck him in the ass too?”
    (I was being asked to do something I didn’t like at great inconvenience so I would liken agreement to the task as being an exercise in humiliation).

    Today I am being asked to purchase something for a woman, a mere trifle, and I will just happen to be in need of a ride to an airport next month. Let’s see what happens. I have already traded some car repair for epic deep tissue massages with this one.

    That’s the key: always demand something in return, especially from broke bitches. My inner chump feels this is dick-ish but all it has gotten me is more respect and life-enriching services/favors.

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  11. I broke up with a bitch once for very subtly guilt-tripping me into helping her move though she knew of my health problems. I did help her, and vowed never to help anyone move as long as I live.

    A few months later I found myself in Vegas helping a friend and his newlywed cunt move into their new apartment. The cunt knew about my problems, but pretended to be limp-wristed and tried giving orders. I checked out of that scene an hour into it, and checked out of that friendship the moment I left their place. My shit worsened because of the strain. Temp was about 115 that day, hottest of the year.

    I’m thinking about it now and hating myself for giving in to such white knight bullshit, even after years of being awakened. I should’ve said fuck no see ya to both.

    Now I won’t do shit for anyone beyond giving a homeless man change. IF they’re polite.

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  12. Thank you for the TWO shoutouts, oh Dark Lords.

    And my latest response:

    “Shhh…don’t talk with my cock in your mouth.”

    Third time’s a charm rape!

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  13. “So FLIP THE COMPLIANCE SCRIPT on self-entitled girls. Every fiber of your beta being will protest this microaggressive intrusion into the female safe space (read: asexual friendzone), but know that this is exactly what girls desire. [And just when I thought wtf with you guys.] A self-entitled girl is just a girl who hasn’t yet found a man willing to ignore her entitlement and substitute it with his own sexy sense of entitlement. [This! Right?!]”

    Am I to understand that I am the only gamer reading here who would consider a beta directive an invitation to ‘ravage’ her? I think “buy me a drink” is a Hegelian opener to either (a) get a drink, or (b) get laid by a true ZFG alpha. The fact that a man would ask for the best response tells me he has already proven himself to be beta in his mind and in her mind. This is not a think test or filter: it is a feel test. Feel like she is a commodity potentially for your pleasure and not the other way around. If female of scenario described is a stranger in a bar or club there is a good chance she is practically begging to be used for sex by the right guy.

    I lack the means to properly field test the given postulate for the foreseeable future. Anyone have any experiences that would directly confirm or contradict it?

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  14. In other news “plus size leggings” is trending on yahoo.

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    • Saw her on the NY subway back in her 20s, after her childhood career had ended but before she established herself as an adult star.

      She was plump then. It’s clear she lost the weight to start getting roles, otherwise she would’ve been relegated to “fat best friend” or else “fat secretary.”

      Face has never been hot, only plain.

      Child star rape!

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 9:23 am Captain Obvious

        She was roughly 17 in the first X-Men [maybe even 16 when it was being filmed] and now she’s a 33yo Mom with two White kids, heading towards a 200MPH collision with The Wall. LIFE HAPPENS. No one lives forever.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 9:26 am Captain Obvious

        What every White Father in the Dark Enlightenment must be drilling into his little White girlz’s heads is that THIS HAPPENS TO ALL WOMEN and that his little girlz need to be getting knocked up by quality Alpha seed no later than their early 20s. I’d even strongly urge the little White girlz to have “Oops Pregnancies” by a quality Alpha whom they were dating.

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    • “cruel body shamers”

      Epitaph of society right there.

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  15. Great point on the flip da script. Also absolutely loved this line:

    “Hey, can he pick up my laundry?”

    Wouldn’t it be great to have one of these BOs bring dinner over for you and your night’s ride? I now have a new goal in life, thank you CH!

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    • on November 20, 2015 at 4:27 pm gunslingergregi

      i swear to god my bitch suggested bringing in the husband to clean the house and shit said he would be a great house bitch

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    • on November 20, 2015 at 4:40 pm gunslingergregi

      sure i could have a dude around to eat the bitches pussy and do the jobs i won’t do but will i no im not a republican rofl
      they will mcgonzo they will do anything the bitch tells em to do

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  16. OT: our male receptionist is out (really cool guy) and we’ve got some broad temping for him. She’s been here before. Huge thighs, very tall….think Deuce Bigelow, “that’s a huge bitch.” Mildly attractive face.

    What I’ve noticed is all the orbiters taking to her, getting to know her. Last time she was here, some project manager guy (asian) was giving her the low down on the business; talking shop to her like she knows what the fuck’s going on. It was fucking hilarious.

    Just now, an older IT guy was macking on her. Talking about football and what not. This dumbass was bragging to me about helping out with high school and prepping kids for college and was dumb enough to mention Mark “buttfumble” Sanchez as someone he helped. He’s got short-man’s arrogance.

    Another older sales guy saw the IT guy macking on the girl and added his two cents into the mix. There’s some better looking gals out there–well, not many–but I’m guessing their hitting on her cause 1) she’s isolated in a busy area so easy to get dialog rolling and 2) she’s a temp, so she won’t be around long. I’m sure there’s more to it, but those are the ones that ring loudest.

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    • I think you nailed it. The fact that she’s a temp, and in a low-status position, makes her more receptive to beta attention. The no-Game project managers think they’re leveraging their status but don’t understand that she just considers them faceless “bosses.” She is nice to everyone, and vaguely (and very asexually) impressed by their status because she wants to impress her immediate boss, likely an older female office manager who deals with admin temps.

      A guy with game knowledge can leverage the situation if he wanted to.

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      • Something I discovered when throwing Game on occasion, is that clueless chodes HELP you with the girl by acting as your foil. There have been several situations I recall in which a beta (sometimes a cool dude who happens to be clueless with girls) tried to AMOG me but ended up making me look cool.

        A friend and I in our twenties (during my Army days in the early 90s) once did a long road trip and stopped at a fast food place in rural Kentucky. The pretty girl serving us was eye-fucking me and I did her, and my perturbed friend started interjecting with “with.” She and I completely ignored him while we flirted. Once he and I got back on the road, he said “I just realized that the more I babbled, the better I made you look.”

        I laughed (he really was a cool dude, we still keep in touch) and said “yeah, you were helping me out a lot, thanks man.”

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      • started interjecting with “WIT”

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 9:58 am Captain Obvious

        > “the more I babbled” ——— The thing about it is, the most fascinating things in the world are precisely the things which you want to babble about, except NONE OF THAT is what girls will want to talk about [other than maybe EvoPsych and Group Dynamics and social circle gossip – chicks love that sh!znat]. But so much of Game is learning to subtract several standard deviations of IQ from your conversation topics when you’re hitting on a chick – and then having the self-discipline to hold strong with the idiocy until you score the ‘tang. [And to hold strong afterwards if you want an LTR with her.]

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 10:08 am Captain Obvious

        Actually, “babbling” [coherently] is an outstanding IQ filter in almost any social situation – if you babble about Twilight or The Hunger Games or Game of Thrones [or anything similarly asinine], then all the chicks in the room will focus in with rapt attention, but if you go all Beta Bux squishy and start babbling about the stock market or the CPA exam or all the new features in Microsoft Excel 2016, then their eyes will quickly glaze over and they’ll start ignoring you and talking amongst themselves and it could take ages for you to re-assert Alpha dominance over them again.

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    • Somewhere along the way guys fell for the false belief that just talking to a chick is how to get into her pants. They dont know any better. They are the ones hanging on every word, waiting for her to blink once to many times, or hold eye contact for that extra moment. Even naturals or guys who do ok with women dont really know why they do ok. eventually they find a chick, get in a relationship and have kids blah blah blah… but its really just the chicks deciding the agenda, and the guys are just going along. Eventually comes the divorce rape and blah blah blah… The divorce rate is just a measure of how few men know human nature.

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  17. damn if I knew this shit was going public I would’ve included one more thing:

    every time a girl asks you to do something for her use it to inch closer to her vag. (that is actually what you want, isn’t it)

    real life zfg examples:
    her: come with me to the consignment store I need to look for blah-blah-blah
    big-balled chimp: sure let’s hit the hot tubs after

    her: I want to go to blah-blah-blah lame cafe, will you take me there?? pleeez?
    big-balled chimp: love to. lemme see your tits

    her: buy me a drink
    big-balled chimp: sure! give me a handjob

    these sound ridiculous but I actually use these (I’m old enough not to give a fk)

    trick is to make it a knee jerk response so it goes straight to her hindbrain. being entitled to favors comes naturally to girls so you have to train yourself so you do it naturally too. don’t go home and think about it for three days. have a list of these ready and respond immediately.

    it needs to be something that YOU want. girl wants a drink, you want a handjob. seems fair to me. don’t be too surprised when she takes you up on it

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  18. on November 20, 2015 at 4:34 pm Each Pond Gone

    Recite a bulky catalog of suspect/strange chores for her, and almost as if it were charity.

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    • exactly right

      a woman feels valued/appreciated when given the chance to serve and isn’t judged for it

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    • Saw this picture earlier but just now really paying attention to it. Beautiful picture and all around composition. Great body language.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 10:11 am Captain Obvious

        MT, I dunno, you don’t want The Mother of Your Children to be too [email protected] submissive – she needs to have a little bit of a backbone.

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      • “Submissive” is misunderstood. For example, submitting to your principles means that you have a backbone when dealing with things that oppose those principles. A very feminine woman will have submissive mannerisms, such as sitting on the floor next to the coffee table while her man sits on the couch, but will be an icy bitch toward any man who fancies himself having a shot at her.

        For a woman, submissiveness is her strength. It’s those pain-in-the-ass argumentative bitches who are unmoored and end up going with whichever way the wind blows.

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      • It’s those pain-in-the-ass argumentative bitches who are unmoored and end up going with whichever way the wind blows that don’t have a backbone.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 10:39 am Captain Obvious

        PA, we might be talking about different things here, as far as what “submissiveness” means. But so much of what we talk about chez Le Chateau essentially amounts to going full-on Dark Triad and completely breaking a chick’s soul. And you do not want a chick with a breakable-soul [or, God forbid, an already broken soul] as The Mother of Your Children – otherwise you’re gonna get hopeless wimps and [possibly suicidal] losers for progeny. Your Woman needs some True Grit in her somewhere.

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      • For a woman, submissiveness is her strength. It’s those pain-in-the-ass argumentative bitches who are unmoored and end up going with whichever way the wind blows.

        COTW, right there. (((golf clap)))

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      • what the fuck happened to his feet? is it true, about all appendages being in proportion?

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      • Cappy, PA nails it. And, with such a woman, she’d be the type that if you fuck with her kids and her man, she will unleash hell. That’s her backbone.

        As a quick example: my uncle has a sweet Harley back in the day. One time, he was getting off, but got his leg stuck and the bike fell on him. He was trying to get up and my aunt saw this, rushed over, picked up the bike with one arm and pulled him out. She’s a tiny thing, needs help opening a jar of ragu, but when it mattered, it was on!

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    • feminism has gifted us with the “other” ASD, anti-submissive defense, whereby it’s considered taboo to submit to a man, so you have to be careful about triggering both ASDs.

      a woman wants to submit just as much as she wants to be your slut (deeply intertwined urges) but only if she perceives there are no social consequences/judgments of either (especially yours)

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    • I thought she was asking him “for real? You don’t have a can opener?”

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  19. This is the most fucking brilliant advice I’ve seen on this site yet. Absolutely brilliant. It’s taken me ten years into a later first marriage to figure this out for myself.

    We need a metric to measure “Life Extension Quotient” for advice like this, which by reducing stress and anxiety, quantifiably increases a man’s lifespan.

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  20. I got this a few times. It was usually the same type of girl: crazy. But there are always guys ready to do stuff for them so it inoculates them from the implications of their shitty behavior.

    The 27 year old HB8 I was banging earlier this year would say things like this all the time and then contradict herself. In one case she was guilting me ahout how some orbiter: “Wanted to take time off to help my sister who was sick. But she didn’t want that at all…”

    It was clear the sister could smell beta behavior and was turned off by the thought some guy was trying to get into her younger sister’s panties by currying favour with HER.

    If I do something for a girl, I do ask for something in return. If I agree to cook, it’s on the understanding the girl will clean up. They always do.

    Many girls who are deliberately rough or playful in demanding things often want to be teased back or seem surprised when you don’t ask for something in return.

    Sometimes you just have to be a playful dick for the sake of it. I wrote in another post about how a girl I moved in to kiss on both cheeks in a traditional goodbye pulled away in front of her friends and began giggling. I cupped her face with my hand and playfully pushed her away causing her to nearly lose her balance and shriek….she kept laughing the entire time while her friends eyes widened…I smiled and walked away.

    Another girl does ask me for favours but we exchange…she’ll cook for me, or she’ll do some things for me, then asks me for something so it’s an exchange. There’s a big difference between that and beta orbiter favour-asking.

    One of the hardest things about taking the Red Pill is internalizing the idea that it’s ok to be a dick sometimes.

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 10:33 am Captain Obvious

      > “internalizing the idea that it’s ok to be a dick sometimes” ——— But therein lies the great danger: The more time you spend immersed in the Dark Triad, the more the Darkness starts to rub off on you.

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    • if an alpha says and does these things, she will have his children.

      the problem with these articles is they don’t tell men the secret- the things that please her and make her happy are NOT the things she says.

      She has no clue how to resonate any more than a violin can spontaneously emit Paganini.

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      • @Trav good post and exactly where the confusion lies on the part of guys….It’s all counter-intuitive. With the girls in my rotation i’m less of a dick now than I was at the start…and for their part, they clean up, bring stuff, dress nice, bang me….but the minute there’s a hint of drama…I go dark…for hours, even days. They get this. That’s also not in that story… I had an epiphany of sorts. I was a complete dick the other day to a girl who was shit-testing me….something like this:

        There’s something I started doing a few years back which was inspired by this scene. I cup my hand like a grapefruit and then deliberately but playfully cup the girls face and brush her…you can’t be rough doing it, just cup her face in your hand. The reaction girls give to this is interesting. It’s always a shock. They always laugh….it establishes playful dominance. It’s a form of kino. The reaction is usually to punch an arm or push me away…or laugh…tingles.

        I saw her a few days later and she was totally cool…even said “I rarely take anything seriously…” which is her qualification for constantly shit-testing.

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      • the problem with these articles is they don’t tell men the secret- the things that please her and make her happy are NOT the things she says.

        The bass player in my band is a natural, and summed it up this way: “You have to be kind of mean at first, then you can be a little nicer as time goes on.”

        These articles never tell you the first part. She wants the jerkboy to show her some affection, not the limp-wristed nice guy to pledge undying loyalty.

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 4:13 pm gunslingergregi

      being honest and doing what you say is sexy
      beta orbiters don’t tell the truth
      how many times ya heard a dude talk about friendzoned for a while then finally tells chick he wants to fuck her when he wanted to from beginning

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 4:16 pm gunslingergregi

      being honest doesn’t mean you can’t say im going to see another chick
      and she gets a choice of how to handle that
      unless you married under the no other woman and then you give her the ultimatum you are gonna get another woman but then that is not honesty
      you would have to divorce her and remarry under a new ruleset to make it honest
      if you cheat behind her back yea not honesty and you will be made to pay for it forever

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  21. “I tried to get her number, and she wouldn’t give it to me.”

    Trump on when he first met Melania.

    I have been saying this for a while now. Shit test. Most men don’t approach beautiful women. The few that do wilt when they are rebuffed as they take it as a rejection. The apex Alpha savor the challenge and the women desperately wants to see how the man maintains his frame.

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  22. After the coming melt-down, there will be a new dawn of stability, sanity, and righteous K selection.
    Neo-serfdom will be right at the heart of it.
    Note: I did not say neo-slavery. They/that sort – will not be required for any serious purposes at all, and can be given one way tickets to the swamps of deadly, untreatable snake bites.

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  23. I still don’t understand why the 6-8’s can show so much disinterest toward me to the point of playing me for a creeper but yet the 9-10’s will have significantly different reactions to me such as IOI or in the worst case bitch shield which usually recedes to a pleasant disposition after a little while. This pattern seems to be consistent.

    CH, anyone care to figure out this riddle?

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    • This has been discussed countless times. Boils down to higher female SMV, higher confidence – beauty can afford to be nice. Also, grade inflation of female SMV is beta. Unicorn and 9’s are not floating in and out of your HP daily.

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      • “Also, grade inflation of female SMV is beta. Unicorn and 9’s are not floating in and out of your HP daily.”

        With all due respect you might want to be sure of this. I generally get second opinions and my ratings are pretty damn consistent. My reputation is not one for exaggeration. What pond you fishing in because they are not all the same? If you asked someone at my locale whether 9’s come in on a daily basis they would laugh at you.

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      • “This has been discussed countless times.”

        Well actually not. I have posed this situation countless times and every time there is a desperate theory given which assumes I am not giving accurate information. By the way I rarely get approached like some guys on this board. Wish I did as it would feel good. I do have attractive gals look at me with ioi’s. The most I tend to get is an 8 sitting next to me every once in a while although in a nervous fashion.

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      • “Unicorn”

        Forget Unicorns 6-7’s act like I am a creepy guy after sex. They are almost angry.

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      • ….a creepy guy who is only after sex….

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      • “Countless times” was gratuitous – foundations of Game bear repeating. But on the ‘niceness of 9’s’ I have nothing to add. They are nicer because they can afford to be. Beauty is a currency, and they have a lot of it. It’s that simple.

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      • “But on the ‘niceness of 9’s’ I have nothing to add.”

        Lol, post was not regarding the “niceness” of 9’s. Not going to try and spell it out for you. Just needed someone with some intellectual honesty on this issue.

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    • Thinking about it, there’s nothing wrong with repetition. So it’s also worth repeating the surprising corollary to what Putin is talking about: high SMV chicks are worth approaching, because they get less approaches, they’ll likely play nice early on, they’re rewarding to be with, and wtf: go for it.

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    • This has indeed been covered in a thread from a few months ago… if memory serves:

      In general:

      a) Very beautiful women are nicer… at all interactions of society. As far as potential mating encounters, they don’t get approached as often as their lower-hanging fruit sisters… especially by lesser-quality men… hence, more rational in male-female interaction. They also, being of the elite, can afford to be more “their own person” and not be as concerned with following the crowd and needing approval from the group.

      b) Plain and mildly attractive girls get hit on constantly by lesser quality men… thirsty betas, outright jerks, dweebs, etc. Makes ’em wary and downright mean, depending upon the situation you catch them in, the group they’re with, etc., etc., etc. They also have a bit of insecurity as to self-worth, so there’s that “he couldn’t actually LOVE me, he just wants some ass” mentality.

      In the good ol’ days, when an actual patriarchy and sane women controlled courting rituals, the problems of b) were not so heinous. In the modern go-grrl, cock carousel era, these things are exacerbated.

      That’s what I remember from the article(s)…made sense to me when I first read it.

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      • Grego, I agree with your points and no doubt some of that is in play with my situation.

        With that said there are other variables in play also. I never get approached by females but yet can make a connection with high value women when other men can’t. Maybe just tight game, who knows. What is funny is the amount of times I get approached by guys in a non sexual way. Almost over the top wanting to be friends. Gays almost always avoid me except for the occasional blue moon crush. Just some weird variables involved.

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      • i’m gonna disagree…I’ve had dimes. They are batshit. They are pretty on the outside and have a layer of cool. But down at the core, they are way more fucked up than the 6s and 7s.

        7s and whatnot seem to be mostly innocuously crazy; the 10s are the ones you find out moonlight as a prostitute. The alphas land the 10s, you see them, athletes, actors, etc. Do those relationships last?

        The youtube thing on this is totally correct. I have thought I found unicorns once or twice only to discover that the video was point-blank right.

        The real risk with 10s is oneitis because of the endorphins you get just from looking at them. You get a fix and it’s a hard habit to kick. Massive sunk cost fallacy and what ifs

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      • “i’m gonna disagree…I’ve had dimes. They are batshit. They are pretty on the outside and have a layer of cool. But down at the core, they are way more fucked up than the 6s and 7s.”

        Hmmm. Trav777, you are probably right on a percentage of them. The question is what percentage. I have heard people argue it both ways and I am sure you have also. 9-10’s that frequent nightclubs? You better believe it. But there are 9-10’s that don’t do that. Not saying those women are never bat shit crazy but there is a case to be made that not all are.

        But yes there are some real psychos out there.

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      • “I’ve had dimes”………….. “The alphas land the 10s, you see them, athletes, actors,”

        Alright, you an athlete or actor?

        Nah, I don’t know where some of you people live but I see women that are 9’s with shitty jobs driving around in an average car. I think men give more credit to models, actresses and wives of athletes than they deserve. WAY too much credit. I have seen many women that blow away most Victoria Secret models unless you like stick figures with sparrow tits. Take away the model, actress, wife of athlete title and she would not as good looking.

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      • Putin- i met my exwife while she was temping at a law firm

        She was hot enough that Jay Leno, shit you not, stopped his limo on Mass Ave to holler at her while I was hugging her as she dropped me off to work. She had multiple marriage proposals from millionaires. Magnetic, charming, hot. Rock stars used to hit on her at shows we went to. And I mean like they were total clumsy betas at it, she was intimidating even to them.

        Met another dime thru a friend. Another online actually was an ex banana model. Last one I met at the Vatican. No shit.

        the ex was batshit at the core. The 2nd was too, the last turned out to be a high dollar prostitute making 20-30k per month in France.

        I’m neither an athlete nor actor, I just have a connection with this type of girl. I don’t mean a mere beauty, I mean the ones that every guy in the room wants because they are not only stupidly beautiful but charming, engaging, magnetic in the truest sense of the word. I don’t understand why they go for me other than of course i am just the best thing ever lol…which I’m really not. I just have some gift…we fall in love really quickly.

        These girls are like big tall trees except their core is rotten. They fall over suddenly without real warning and kill people. Girls at nightclubs are a veneer of beauty covering rot. The girls I am talking about are much harder to diagnose; you think you found a unicorn.

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      • “I’m neither an athlete nor actor”

        Trav777, my point exactly. You don’t have to be an athlete or actor get 9-10’s.

        By the way thanks for the background as it adds color to your wisdom. Very interesting. And yes it is amazing the way men will act when they see a 9-10. A whole different creature for which I never grow tired of studying.

        -Putin

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      • “And I mean like they were total clumsy betas at it, she was intimidating even to them.”

        Love it

        “i met my exwife while she was temping at a law firm”

        and I was saying about average jobs?

        “the ex was batshit at the core. The 2nd was too, the last turned out to be a high dollar prostitute making 20-30k per month in France.”

        Trav, you make a strong case and I have seen similar things which is why I scratch my head when people say 9-10’s are “nicer” or higher quality with less baggage. It really is a tough nut to crack but frankly I kind of side with you on this. I think it is hard for these women to not be bat-shit crazy. Look at how the world treats them.

        I have a whole theory about marrying and how you can’t marry a gal any higher than 8 because of this. At least if you want some kind of hope for stability.

        [CH: the very hottest chick demo has a fair share of crazies, but overall i’ve noticed that crazy tends to be most evident in “striver” girls — the 6s and 7s — who are on the cusp of landing alpha males, but not quite hot enough to pull it off.]

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      • ” [CH: the very hottest chick demo has a fair share of crazies, but overall i’ve noticed that crazy tends to be most evident in “striver” girls — the 6s and 7s — who are on the cusp of landing alpha males, but not quite hot enough to pull it off.]”

        Maybe this is the case. I am not going to claim an absolute for this particular question, at least not yet.

        [CH: i would qualify what i wrote by adding that the absolute craziest chicks do tend to be the hottest, but the frequency of crazy is greater in the striver girls. most hot babes aren’t crazy, but the few who are tend to be crazy to the nth degree.]

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 11:39 am Captain Obvious

      Putin, the other possibility is Biological Calvinism at work – your sense of beauty could have evolved [Darwinistically] so that “HB9” external beauty is a signal from your hindbrain that there’s a good chance you’ll find inner spiritual beauty in her.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 11:40 am Captain Obvious

        tldr; == you cross paths with a cute girl who has a good soul, then WHITE BUNZ -> WHITE OVEN. srsly.

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      • CO, maybe I am not able to fully comprehend your answer but let me say this. I have a friend who is a young handsome dude and gets approached all the time yet can’t get any traction with 9-10’s. In fact the women he tends to like are crazy ass bitches who end up doing stiff like trying to steal from him.

        But it is important to bring this up in light of what you say. Most of the women I am attracted to are for the most part very genuine with as good a heart as you get. This in itself makes a difference in the looks category. But make no mistake from a purely looks point of view my ratings are conservative. I am gaming a solid 9 right now that most men would never approach. I was with a buddy when she walked in front of us and gave one of those long looks. I said that gal is a 9. His immediate response was no that was a 10. Now she probably is a solid 9 but my point is I always try to stay balanced on this shit. By the way this particular gal would not give me her number when I first approached.

        Keep one thing in mind 9-10’s takes a hell of a lot longer to get than other women. Just a fact.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 9:29 pm Captain Obvious

        Putin, the idea is that over the eons, as our “ancestors” evolved from fish to reptiles to rats to primates to humans [or whatever], our hindbrains were developing an ability to “see” or to “smell” whether a chick likely has a good soul inside of her. So that if a girl “looks nice” or “smells nice” on the outside, then the idea is that there’s a very good chance she actually is a nice person on the inside.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 9:34 pm Captain Obvious

        BTW, in addition to “Looks Nice” and “Smells Nice”, a day or two ago, some dudes here au Chateau were talking about the importance of TEXTURE – whether she “Feels Nice” to the touch. Obviously the physical [Looks/Smells/Feels Nice] isn’t going to be 100% determinative of the spiritual [nor vice-versa], but it’s possible that there’s a strong chance that the physical could tend to be indicative of the spiritual [and vice versa].

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      • The “texture” thing was an inside joke from 2009.

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  24. Consider this: AAs have always been more or less status symbols for white people in the USA. Before the ACW, (American Civil War) the more you owned, the higher was your status.
    In the fascinating, post war, modern world — the more of them you can have in your organization without itdie-ing under the weight of their dysfunction the higher your status.

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    • I doubt a handful of Southern plantation owners were the hallmark of status in America… generalizations based upon that demimonde are nothing more than weak party-chatter.

      And your analogy remains flaccid in the modern world… aside from a sports team, having a plethora of darkies in tow augments the status of no organization with which I’m aware.

      As a matter of fact, I’d argue the opposite…

      Your mileage may vary, and feel free to seek out the airline with the most negro pilots, or the construction firm with the most negro engineers.

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  25. Her: Such and such orbiter does this for me.

    You: You two make a cute couple.

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  26. Longish Interesting nightgame FR/experience last night. Getting back slowly into nightgaming/going out and starting to get a feel for it again, Found a new group of wings – variable skills and social skills but at least they go out and talk and take action even if I don’t click with all of them

    3-4 of us out at a decent sized bar/club. Age range 18-40s for both men and women but skews young and has a student vibe. Very laid-back vibe..nobody tends to dress up much and the girls aren’t super-hot and the ratio of men/women isn’t great but very very friendly vibe and there’s lots of younger girls (who would be way hotter if they dressed up).

    Incidentally, I’ve finished watching the Inner Game bit of Julien’s PIMP (not yet seen Outer Game) but what he says about the “Tempo of the Night” and how to spend the first part of the night talking to everyone and getting state pumped and then circling back to your best prospects when people get drunker and going for the pull..really resonated. I’ve noticed that vibe shift towards the end of the night of course but this is the first time I’ve really taken notice of it strategically and thought about how to handle it. (BTW Sentient – I did listen to some music en route to the venue to pump state – it helped, but what helped even more was just watching some video of Julien from PIMP – not so much about the details of the advice as just absorbing his attitude and energy towards going out)

    Anyway, it was a good night. I learnt a lot and had some v interesting sets.

    Two most interesting:

    1. Early on, my wing opens a mid-20s HB7 in a two-set. He’s doing well with her and her friend (HB7.5) isn’t interrupting and is slightly away from me so I talk to my other wing as first wing doesn’t need help. Wing tries to hug the 7.5 to keep her engaged while he talks to target but she pushes him away so Wing drags me over physically and tells me to talk to obstacle.

    Obstacle WAS very cute but I didn’t feel much intent but still said:

    Me: “you don’t look like you’ve drunk enough to really get going yet”
    Her: [Didn’t hear properly was loud and looks questioningly at me]
    Me: Repeats exactly same thing
    Her: Pulls out her phone and shows me a picture of her with a guy and literally shouts “my boyfriend” at me (this wasn’t a shit test – there was zero attraction – it was just a big FO). Incidentally for such a pretty girl, the BF was horrendously beta. Like he had his arms around her kissing her on the cheek with terrible body language as she looked at the camera (and he wasn’t even good-looking). If you think of one of the Beta of Month pics CH puts up you’ve got the right idea.

    At this point I got a bit irritated and decided to just burn the set down and mess around with her for self-amusement, so:

    Me:(Pulling out my phone and finding a random picture of me with a girl): “So what? This is my girlfriend!!” [picked at random – the girl I picked wasn’t as attractive as the girl I was talking to – was that relevant?]

    Then things took a bizarre turn. I’d have expected her to calm down since we’d both sort of established that we weren’t “threats” and I really wasn’t even hitting on her. But she started shaming me:

    Her: “Where is your gf? Why are you here without her? That’s really disrespectful”
    Me: (Smiling): “She’s at home..I’m here because I want to be”
    Me: (Smirking) “In any case what are you doing here without your boyfriend? You’ve left the poor guy behind at home and you’re here with your girlfriend soaking up the attention and flirting with other guys!”

    The look on her face was amazing..like she’d just been slapped. Eyes went wide, sheer disbelief which turned to being offended in a couple seconds. Then she grabbed her friend and dragged her off without saying anything (friend left apologising to my wing). I suppose it could just have been her BT spiking hard from my comment but my gut feel is that she was actually offended (and not attracted).

    I know chicks run on emotion and all that, but HOW CAN SHE POSSIBLY NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY in accusing me of disrespecting a (non-existent) girlfriend when she’s left her loser-beta BF to come out with her girlfriend??? Especially since she brought up her BF even when I wasn’t hitting on her??

    The encounter did mess up my state for ten minutes or so but I was fine again after the next conversation. My wing was cool with it..he said she was a bitch and that’s why he brought me in to help.

    2. With another wing, edge of dance-floor (very loud). Two late twenties blondes (tall and short) behind me. Wing says “Open them” and I’m like “okay”. Turned around and opened both simultaneously with arms on their back..said something like “You guys look like fun”. I’d seen them across the bar before and saw the shorter one was prettier but hadn’t had a good look.

    Set blew open immediately..I opened both, but it was the shorter one talking to me and engaging with me totally. The tall one actually turned away a bit to give us space to talk.

    I only realised after opening her just how cute the blonde talking to me was..hadn’t registered it before. Very slim, petite, firm body, tight jeans and top, zero fat, blonde hair, blue eyes, really pretty. Hard 8. And that bar wasn’t really filled with hot girls – this one was probably in the top 3-4 girls out of 200+ girls there and I’d pretty much opened her without noticing that.

    I had a brief second of that flickering through my head as I realised: like “Wait..THIS girl is actually really interested in me and giving me IOIs all over the place? Without even really having a conversation with me? Just as soon as I opened? Wow”. (I know, I know, I need to work on my entitlement..not used to this from such hot girls).

    Anyway, despite that it went really well for about 5 minutes..solid kino..had my arm around her, stroking her lower back (zero resistance), playing with her hands, teasing her about being a troublemaker and leading her friend into trouble…she was asking me questions and lapping it up (was very hard to do laser and voice tonality because we had to shout into each other’s ears). Then I started to move into comfort a bit and asking her about her love of travel (she is an air hostess or whatever the politically correct title is now).

    ..Then she said “Just so you know, my boyfriend is waiting for us downstairs”. And it threw me off a bit. This is totally different from the previous set I mentioned – she was OBVIOUSLY attracted to me. Classic shit test, but it threw me, because I actually started to wonder if the BF *was* downstairs on the other floor of the bar (I’ve had the boyfriend line before many times, but never had someone say he’s downstairs..). It was BS of course..I had seen these two before and I was 80% sure they were alone with no BF..but it dropped the vibe a bit even though I just shrugged and said something like “So? I’m just chatting to you..” and I carried on.

    Recovered a bit over the next couple of minutes and kino continued unabated and I asked her to guess where I was from..she said she couldn’t and I kept pushing her to try, then I left her on an open loop saying “I’ll come back from the bar and you should have a good guess by then” and she was like “No, no, tell me where you’re from”..as I walked away.

    Never re-engaged with her the rest of the evening although they were around for a while. Just felt a bit like the vibe had gone, plus I didn’t know where to go with it. Pity because it was clearly a classic shit test due to her growing attraction and I should have responded with “Oi not so fast” or something.

    But I need to get used to this entitlement more..I’m starting to get reference experiences for this now but not enough (yet) to really internalize that high-SMV women find me attractive.

    3. Other than that, there were a bunch (like quite a lot) of Approach Invites from a range of girls – mainly EC. I opened some of them but missed quite a few because they were too far across the room, the sets were too big or other stupid reasons. But I opened plenty. Some were very subtle. One girl was with her BF and was right behind me as I crossed the dance floor, with her BF behind her..she put her hand on my back (bit odd) as we crossed the dance floor..and just left it there till we got right out of the room..there was simply no need to be touching me even on the dance floor, much less off it..and I couldn’t even open her with the bF there.

    HABD said a few months ago that if I am getting more AIs my subcomms must be better and it’s just increasing more and more – even a year ago, one or two AIs were noteworthy in a night..last night I am not even sure how many AIs I got – 10+ for sure, although part of it is also that I am better at spotting them (it can’t be anything else – last night I wore a t-shirt and jeans I’ve been wearing for 4 years now and I’m in no better shape – just going a lot more grey haired, despite being only 35 – and yet it made literally no difference to all the college girls I hit on).

    I’m getting more used to it but I still find it a bit hard to internalise that even in a chaotic club environment (not a controlled sugar daddy dating bar date in my comfort zone), legit hotties like the air hostess and cute college girls are giving me so many IOIs and were into me so much..

    4. Overall, I still get AA (and I need to get back to doing direct approaches as the night goes on) but on the whole approaching is going pretty well. I can approach most of the time (except really big/mixed sets). And the sets blow right open, which means I’m committing properly to them (the only exception was the very last set I opened by which time my wings had long since left and I was alone with my state dropping like a stone, leading to a very weak approach, AFTER that two-set saw me very obviously choding out and value scanning the room right in front of them).

    5. I often have one or two beers a night but decided to try zero drinking. It went pretty well still..I am FAR more alert and observant with no booze, but it is also much harder to get into state and I am more reliant on wings. I stayed around alone for an hour after my wings left and my state just got worse and worse…it’s not even as if my wings and I stay in a pack..but just going back to them every 15 min really helps.

    But then again, what Julien says in PIMP is bang on..you can’t change your state by thinking..only ACTION changes your state. I totally choded for half an hour alone and then just told myself I can’t leave till I do one more approach..I did a really bad dance-floor high-five/approach on a two-set (they still opened well) and even a bad approach pumped my energy and I did one or two more approaches before leaving (finally I did a little street game in the bar area with another wing who I met for the first time but he was terrible – no calibration, walking too fast, chasing girls down the street, no dominance, plus he wasn’t fun to hang with so I bailed).

    6. The real Big Issue for the night is that I’m still letting conversations fizzle out because I don’t know where to take it. Like I know the M3 model and I’m thinking “yeah I have attraction, I have some IOIs..umm..I need to qualify” or whatever..but in practice I Just sort of run out of things to SAY and DO. And a lot of my stories are not suitable for loud bars and/or drunk girls..so then I just eject.

    There were at least 3 sets where I was doing really well, getting strong IOIs and engagement and good kino and I just self-ejected because I blanked on how to take it forward (in a couple of cases it was early in the night and I wanted to find them later in the night to pull as Julien suggests, but I never did because I didn’t follow his advice to TAKE THE NUMBER before you leave). And this problem gets much worse as the night goes on, because they get drunker and it is even harder to talk..so I just fizzle out more, even when I can SEE attraction is still there and I should be going strong.

    I think I need to literally sit down and write a personalised script for myself to follow and memorize a list of routines (more or less) to use when needed. And then do the RSD exercise of “talking at the wall” for two minutes..to keep things going. Still not sure how to handle the issue on the dance floor though..

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    • Generation Duckface bitch. I need say no more.

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    • Thanks for the FR. Good stuff – keep approaching until it’s second nature and AA is gone. If you’re right about IOI’s, and you were completely sober so you probably are right, then chicks may be noticing your approach confidence and general highly outgoing state, some even well before your approach.

      Seems like two problems. Big one is you are not getting comfortable yourself in comfort stage. You feel forced to talk. Loud clubs are no good for that, so in some of those sets, see if you can get into comfort with kino and eye contact. And even when talking is possible, doesn’t mean you have to do a lot of it. Most women love to talk, so let ‘em do it. My feeling is you should have a yogic approach to comfort stage. Take half a minute to remind yourself to physically relax, spread your body out in dominant fashion, nod nonchalantly if you don’t hear everything she says, look her in the eye and play with facial expression, and breathe from the diaphragm.

      BTW, relaxing during times most people would be least relaxed is really useful. Boxing coach taught me this. I was ‘how the fuck can I relax when this guy is trying to punch me in the head,’ but it can be done and it’s great. Same goes for sex itself: you’re banging her hard, you’ve got all these thoughts about her pleasure, your pleasure, what position you want next, bla bla bla. Let it all go. Open your eyes to experience, breathe, relax in mid-thrust just like in mid-punch and enjoy the pure animal pleasure of her body.

      Other problem is not furthering your defined goals. Your challenge to yourself has been to conquer AA and this FR was great on that. But you said it yourself – you need to at least number close way more of these women. So go for it. Earlier than you think.

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      • Sentient and Sean Fielding – thanks guys that’s really useful. I’m a bit busy for the next couple days but will come back to this later in the week and absorb the comments fully. Couple of quick points though:

        1. Sentient, the HB8 *did* ask me where I was from – that’s why I asked her to guess as a compliance test and she said no and I didn’t want to let her off without her jumping through the hoop so I left it as an open loop.

        2. Re the same HB8, she *didn’t* have a BF (or atleast not at the venue). I was 80% sure she didn’t when I was speaking to her but I saw her leave only with her friend later on, so it became 100%.

        3. Regarding big/mixed sets: I crossposted this FR to Rational Male to get YaReally’s take on it and he’s just replied with some good stuff, but in particular he’s posted an RSD video with Ozzie handling a mixed set well. I haven’t watched it yet but you should check it out (the latest Rational Male post).

        4. Sean – good point about consciously reminding myself to relax – I do it already to straighten up my body language and not slump – need to do it to relax too.

        5. Wings is an entirely different story and I’ll probably post more about it later. Suffice it to say that although I feel grateful to finally have some wings who actually go out, I sometimes feel like their big brother or something – like they take action which is huge but they are handicapping themselves because most of them seem to have learned their Game (and game concepts) from Youtube videos, without even 1/10th the context/framework/concepts reading CH or Rational Male gives you (to say nothing of the world-class advice in the comments). So I see a lot of running around and approaching but not much planning or thinking about what to do, or what to practice, or thinking why they are doing something..just running in at the deep end and splashing around.

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    • Culum – sounds like a long night… hard work but you are getting in the reps.

      a few thoughts I had on your FR…

      1. remember Boyfriend Destroyer… ! Don’t get into an adversarial tug of war… “ohhh you guys are so cute… How long you’ve been dating” etc. then use to your advantage… “Oh 7 years… who is draggin their feet?” LOL…

      2. ” I need to work on my entitlement” – this here is the huge issue. Inner game, this is holding you back and part of why you don’t know where to take things… you aren’t seeing yourself as sex worthy “just because”, and part of your brain is still trying to justify things with externalities. This comes out as well in comparisons to other guys.

      “went really well for about 5 minutes..solid kino..had my arm around her, stroking her lower back (zero resistance), playing with her hands, teasing her about being a troublemaker and leading her friend into trouble…she was asking me questions and lapping it up” —– BOUNCE . lead her elsewhere. You didn’t have a drink so a good reason, “hey come with me a minute I want a drink” and lead her…

      “Then she said “Just so you know, my boyfriend is waiting for us downstairs”” – this here you could have easily avoided with basic logistics confirmations… which you didn’t do because as you say you were having trouble figuring out “where to take things”… Take things back to the sex location!!! LOL… Plan backwards from sex that night!

      So remember to always get logistics early… “You guys look like fun… blah blah … Cool. who you here with? …. [later] How do you know each other [later] how did you get here?… [figure out if your girl drove the other etc.]…. Bad logistics will trump great vibes.

      If she does mention the boyfriend downstairs then… Boyfriend destroyer stuff… “oh will he be angry we are talking… is he one of those jealous guys” etc…

      ” I asked her to guess where I was from..she said she couldn’t and I kept pushing her to try, ” Always let her ask you. Never offer anything. This is a great diagnostic test to gauge her interest level…

      “Never re-engaged with her the rest of the evening although they were around for a while. Just felt a bit like the vibe had gone, plus I didn’t know where to go with it. ” what were you protecting here? why put in the hard early work and not loop back around? Did you want to have sex with her that night? If not…. why not? right?

      “I’m starting to get reference experiences for this now but not enough (yet) to really internalize that high-SMV women find me attractive.” – internalize that ALL women find you attractive!!!!

      3. “One girl was with her BF and was right behind me as I crossed the dance floor, with her BF behind her..she put her hand on my back (bit odd) as we crossed the dance floor..and just left it there till we got right out of the room..there was simply no need to be touching me even on the dance floor, much less off it..and I couldn’t even open her with the BF there.” – this comes back to your internal state… would Leonardo DiCaprio not open her? Who cares if her BF is there, she is laying hands on you… Drive a truck through that kind of window… simply slow down so she’s pushing up against you.. then start whispering in her ear. If her boyfriend interjects, be cool and friendly… so what? But get the vibe going with her (assuming she was attractive of course).

      4. “I can approach most of the time (except really big/mixed sets).” – yeah these are hard… especially if you are solo. I keep whittling away at these but haven’t cracked. Best to start with some of the guys and then “so how you know each other” and work around. But this is the real deep end of the pool…. plenty of action elsewhere… IMO this is the hardest thing to do, much harder than a super hot girl or group of girls.

      5. Good stuff staying sober… I have had bad luck with wings (always insta wings on the night so that may be it…) and find it is pretty cool to be by yourself and avoid additional hassles. i don’t put any stock into the theory that a guy by himself is communicating low value.

      6. “I Just sort of run out of things to SAY and DO.” This here is the big issue… you need to believe you are sex worthy, be sexualizing the convo’s and pushing that kino into bouncing intra-venue then trying to pull… and then if you can’t just grab a number then and take from there later or another day. My main game is SNL game… it really focuses you on where things are headed, the timing and logistics. Backward plan this stuff from a successful outcome, don’t just wing it… that is what every guy is doing…

      Part of solving this is knowing how to stage the night… Like from 8-10PM in most places is rough if you are trying to pull and not coming across a single… That is prime eating/BFF talk time… so try and avoid these hours if you can… I find good windows Happy Hour because everyone is going to go somewhere after, you can bounce… or wait until 10PM then go out to bars/clubs. 10 is still early enough to get a good read of the room in most places, will start filling up soon… adjust for locality etc.

      but yeah a two set at 9PM? Hard to pull if she drove her friend… but you have the luxury of getting numbers, so get them if it is early, seed the potential for another place “later” and then hit the text… RSD classic line “after party” LOL… worked on a 22 YO stripper looking for some fun…

      Keep grinding!

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      • Another point – the logistics confirmations are speaking directly on the “female channel” as HABD might say… she knows exactly what you are doing and HER ANSWERS to you are lights on the runway… you still need to land that sucker but you now know the coordinates…

        This is the reason why so many guys do not inquire… they feel they are being too personal and communicate their lack of understanding.

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      • On a separate note Sentient, I’m writing this post from an airport business lounge and it strikes me this is GOLD for gaming. In terms of numbers, quality and just chicks waiting to be opened (I seem to recall some FR from you about an airport pickup). Some other commenter here also keeps talking about pulling chicks on planes?

        This is kind of an obvious point I guess but it just struck me. I normally reach airports with not much sleep and looking and feeling crap and gaming is the last thing on my mind – more about getting some food and sleeping as soon as I board. I need to prioritize getting here rested and feeling better – the pickings are way better than walking around the streets looking to daygame..

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    • on November 22, 2015 at 2:44 pm having a bad day

      @Culum

      props on going out…lots of good advice so far…here’s my 2 cents…lol…

      “Two most interesting:

      1. Early on, my wing opens a mid-20s HB7 in a two-set. He’s doing well with her and her friend (HB7.5) isn’t interrupting and is slightly away from me so I talk to my other wing as first wing doesn’t need help. Wing tries to hug the 7.5 to keep her engaged while he talks to target but she pushes him away so Wing drags me over physically and tells me to talk to obstacle.

      Obstacle WAS very cute but I didn’t feel much intent”

      why not?…seriously…you’re not turning gay are you?…lol…from the overall tone of this and your other FRs, my best guess would be that you are still clinging to a bit of the blue pill hopefulness/disney fantasy possibilities of unicorn girls…i.e. ‘it can’t happen THAT fast…NO hot (worthy) girl would bounce with ME when i spit some game at her…and you are not pulling just to protect that last little bit of residual blue pill…bc you actually know that it would work as expected…

      “but still said:

      Me: “you don’t look like you’ve drunk enough to really get going yet”
      Her: [Didn’t hear properly was loud and looks questioningly at me]
      Me: Repeats exactly same thing
      Her: Pulls out her phone and shows me a picture of her with a guy and literally shouts “my boyfriend” at me (this wasn’t a shit test – there was zero attraction – it was just a big FO).”

      and what is a ‘big FO’ if not just a big shit test?…lol…and just from the situ you HAD major attraction (deconstruct the situ and tell me why…for 5 internets!…) just have to handle it = instant attraction spike = likely the only thing that could mess up a bang is logistics…

      “Incidentally for such a pretty girl, the BF was horrendously beta. Like he had his arms around her kissing her on the cheek with terrible body language as she looked at the camera (and he wasn’t even good-looking). If you think of one of the Beta of Month pics CH puts up you’ve got the right idea.”

      and at this point, you should have had a different thought than you did…you are still thinking logically and expecting girls to also be logical…lol…have you learned nothing from CH and YaReally?…girls are emotional ONLY…

      “At this point I got a bit irritated [next time see the green light all the way home!…] and decided to just burn the set down and mess around with her for self-amusement, [self-amusement is good, and usually works to ping attraction, but you need to spin it in a non-butthurt way…] so:

      Me:(Pulling out my phone and finding a random picture of me with a girl): “So what? This is my girlfriend!!” [picked at random – the girl I picked wasn’t as attractive as the girl I was talking to – was that relevant?]”

      = butthurt response…and where you lost the bang…

      “Then things took a bizarre turn. [gee, i wonder why…lol…she was COUNTING on you to bang her and you dropped the ball…] I’d have expected her to calm down since we’d both sort of established that we weren’t “threats” and I really wasn’t even hitting on her. [and you think her hindbrain/hamster perceived this as a win?…lol…] But she started shaming me:”

      triggered by your butthurt ‘but I have a gf, tooooo!’ response…lol…did you stick out your tongue and go “nyah, nyah”?…actually, that might have worked really well…lol…but she’s still attracted enough to give you another shot to turn it around…

      “Her: “Where is your gf? Why are you here without her? That’s really disrespectful”
      Me: (Smiling): “She’s at home..I’m here because I want to be” [=beta…responding directly to her question…]
      Me: (Smirking) “In any case what are you doing here without your boyfriend? You’ve left the poor guy behind at home and you’re here with your girlfriend soaking up the attention and flirting with other guys!””

      red pill truths do NOT work as seduction techs…lol…and you just took away her ‘it just happened’ defense to banging you (or any other guy there that night)…

      “The look on her face was amazing..like she’d just been slapped.”

      she HAD been in girl language… and if your subcomms were as good as they seem to be, that really DID hurt her…”with great power, comes great responsibility” is not just a saying…it actually means what it says…part of being in the ‘secret society’ is NOT doing that…lol…

      “Eyes went wide, sheer disbelief which turned to being offended in a couple seconds. Then she grabbed her friend and dragged her off without saying anything (friend left apologising to my wing). I suppose it could just have been her BT spiking hard from my comment but my gut feel is that she was actually offended (and not attracted).”

      yeah, you killed that attraction…lol…but the flip side is that now you know what happens when you do that…lol…so, it’s all good…

      “I know chicks run on emotion and all that, but HOW CAN SHE POSSIBLY NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY in accusing me of disrespecting a (non-existent) girlfriend when she’s left her loser-beta BF to come out with her girlfriend??? Especially since she brought up her BF even when I wasn’t hitting on her??”

      lol…stop thinking girls are logical…seriously…lol

      “The encounter did mess up my state for ten minutes or so but I was fine again after the next conversation. My wing was cool with it..he said she was a bitch and that’s why he brought me in to help.”

      bitch shield = candy coating on some ‘primed’ attraction/sexual energy…likely without any serious ASD in play = yours to lose the bang…see this as the opportunity that it is…red pill game question for 10 internets = WHY might that be?…

      “2. With another wing, edge of dance-floor (very loud). Two late twenties blondes (tall and short) behind me. Wing says “Open them” and I’m like “okay”. Turned around and opened both simultaneously with arms on their back..said something like “You guys look like fun”. I’d seen them across the bar before and saw the shorter one was prettier but hadn’t had a good look.

      Set blew open immediately..I opened both, but it was the shorter one talking to me and engaging with me totally. The tall one actually turned away a bit to give us space to talk. [=green light!…lol…yours to lose the bang…subcomms do NOT lie…lol]

      “I only realised after opening her just how cute the blonde talking to me was..hadn’t registered it before. Very slim, petite, firm body, tight jeans and top, zero fat, blonde hair, blue eyes, really pretty. Hard 8. And that bar wasn’t really filled with hot girls – this one was probably in the top 3-4 girls out of 200+ girls there and I’d pretty much opened her without noticing that.”

      great job on that abundance mentality…

      “I had a brief second of that flickering through my head as I realised: like “Wait..THIS girl is actually really interested in me and giving me IOIs all over the place? Without even really having a conversation with me? Just as soon as I opened? Wow”. (I know, I know, I need to work on my entitlement..not used to this from such hot girls).”

      your subcomms (body language, movement, stance, etc.) is obviously getting better…

      “Anyway, despite that it went really well for about 5 minutes..solid kino..had my arm around her, stroking her lower back (zero resistance), [=green light!…] playing with her hands, teasing her about being a troublemaker and leading her friend into trouble [prime that threesome idea!…lol]…she was asking me questions and lapping it up (was very hard to do laser and voice tonality because we had to shout into each other’s ears).”

      = pull to quieter location…even leave the venue…and yes it can happen that fast…lol…

      “Then I started to move into comfort a bit and asking her about her love of travel (she is an air hostess or whatever the politically correct title is now).

      ..Then she said “Just so you know, my boyfriend is waiting for us downstairs”.”

      = shit test…hard and fast on the inside!…lol…

      “And it threw me off a bit. This is totally different from the previous set I mentioned – she was OBVIOUSLY attracted to me. [other girl was too…in a different ‘classic’ shit test…] Classic shit test, but it threw me, because I actually started to wonder if the BF *was* downstairs on the other floor of the bar (I’ve had the boyfriend line before many times, but never had someone say he’s downstairs..). It was BS of course..I had seen these two before and I was 80% sure they were alone with no BF..but it dropped the vibe a bit even though I just shrugged and said something like “So? I’m just chatting to you..””

      = beta response = you are now in the defensive crouch…better response (for next time) = ‘cool…’ [ignore and change subject]…the reason she brought it up was the same as any girl shit testing = attraction (just like the recent posts…) and testing for alpha chops…also, if she does have a bf, she has now gotten rid of any guilt and so “it can just happen”™…bc it’s now all your ‘fault’ if sex happens…

      “and I carried on. [good…]

      Recovered a bit over the next couple of minutes and kino continued unabated and I asked her to guess where I was from..she said she couldn’t and I kept pushing her to try, then I left her on an open loop saying “I’ll come back from the bar and you should have a good guess by then” and she was like “No, no, tell me where you’re from”..as I walked away.”

      why did you take yourself out of the situ?…serious question…if she was so hot, you should have been isolating her and pulling…or trying for the threesome with her friend…lol…

      “Never re-engaged with her the rest of the evening although they were around for a while. Just felt a bit like the vibe had gone, [it did…and you killed it…but now you know… bc you’ve tried that…lol] plus I didn’t know where to go with it.”

      indirect answers are ALWAYS the answer in those situs…plenty of resources here in the archives…tease her, get her qualifying, make her jump through compliance hoops to know the answer…you know, standard game…lol…

      “Pity because it was clearly a classic shit test due to her growing attraction and I should have responded with “Oi not so fast” or something.”

      20/20 hindsight, or not trusting your inner game voice?…bc that’s a good response…

      “But I need to get used to this entitlement more..I’m starting to get reference experiences for this now but not enough (yet) to really internalize that high-SMV women find me attractive.”

      true enough…but you’re there…you just have to trust that it’s real…and it is…and it’s ALL women, not just high smv girls…and to get any of them is just some calibration away…lol…

      “3. Other than that, there were a bunch (like quite a lot) of Approach Invites from a range of girls – mainly EC. I opened some of them but missed quite a few because they were too far across the room, the sets were too big or other stupid reasons. But I opened plenty. Some were very subtle. One girl was with her BF and was right behind me as I crossed the dance floor, with her BF behind her..she put her hand on my back (bit odd) as we crossed the dance floor..and just left it there till we got right out of the room..there was simply no need to be touching me even on the dance floor, much less off it..and I couldn’t even open her with the bF there.

      HABD said a few months ago that if I am getting more AIs my subcomms must be better and it’s just increasing more and more”

      ya, it’s still true, too…lol…great job on putting in the work!…

      “– even a year ago, one or two AIs were noteworthy in a night..last night I am not even sure how many AIs I got – 10+ for sure, although part of it is also that I am better at spotting them (it can’t be anything else – last night I wore a t-shirt and jeans I’ve been wearing for 4 years now and I’m in no better shape – just going a lot more grey haired, despite being only 35 – and yet it made literally no difference to all the college girls I hit on).”

      = beta/residual blue pill = i MUST be better at ‘spotting’ those AIs (which must have been there all along) bc it couldn’t be that I’M better (after all my hard work and practice…) or that i have much better subcomms to draw those AIs…

      this is a bluish pill sticking point… notice that it’s a form of the “need to be rich and buff to get girls” mentality…rather than red pill “girls go for the most alpha man at the time” mentality (see YaReally’s whole archive on this stuff…lol)

      “I’m getting more used to it [good] but I still find it a bit hard to internalise that even in a chaotic club environment [even MORE SO in these environments…bc it’s more about subcomms here than in a coffee shop…] (not a controlled sugar daddy dating bar date in my comfort zone), legit hotties like the air hostess and cute college girls are giving me so many IOIs and were into me so much..”

      = from all the work you have been doing…it’s not magic…lol…

      “4. Overall, I still get AA (and I need to get back to doing direct approaches as the night goes on) but on the whole approaching is going pretty well. I can approach most of the time (except really big/mixed sets).”

      ya those are tough…but plenty of other sets to go around…

      “And the sets blow right open, which means I’m committing properly to them (the only exception was the very last set I opened by which time my wings had long since left and I was alone with my state dropping like a stone, leading to a very weak approach, AFTER that two-set saw me very obviously choding out and value scanning the room right in front of them).”

      good self-analysis…you are getting much better at that…which shows that you ARE absorbing the material…now, you just have to trust it…

      “5. I often have one or two beers a night but decided to try zero drinking. It went pretty well still..I am FAR more alert and observant with no booze, but it is also much harder to get into state and I am more reliant on wings. I stayed around alone for an hour after my wings left and my state just got worse and worse…it’s not even as if my wings and I stay in a pack..but just going back to them every 15 min really helps.”

      again, good self-analysis…

      “But then again, what Julien says in PIMP is bang on..you can’t change your state by thinking..only ACTION changes your state. I totally choded for half an hour alone and then just told myself I can’t leave till I do one more approach..I did a really bad dance-floor high-five/approach on a two-set (they still opened well) and even a bad approach pumped my energy and I did one or two more approaches before leaving (finally I did a little street game in the bar area with another wing who I met for the first time but he was terrible – no calibration, walking too fast, chasing girls down the street, no dominance, plus he wasn’t fun to hang with so I bailed).

      6. The real Big Issue for the night is that I’m still letting conversations fizzle out because I don’t know where to take it.”

      always take it sexual…lol…

      “Like I know the M3 model and I’m thinking “yeah I have attraction, I have some IOIs..umm..I need to qualify” or whatever..but in practice I Just sort of run out of things to SAY and DO. And a lot of my stories are not suitable for loud bars and/or drunk girls..so then I just eject.”

      so, take her with you…to isolation…or get the number first…

      “There were at least 3 sets where I was doing really well, getting strong IOIs and engagement and good kino and I just self-ejected because I blanked on how to take it forward [touch her!…get that kino going…] (in a couple of cases it was early in the night and I wanted to find them later in the night to pull as Julien suggests, but I never did because I didn’t follow his advice to TAKE THE NUMBER before you leave).”

      or…you just pull them out of venue by bouncing…even if it’s early…look at it from her hindbrain’s perspective. if you are the most alpha stud in the place, she’ll bounce with you, even if it’s early…so, spike attraction, handle the resulting shit testing and pull…easy/peazy…lol…and it really can be that fast…

      “And this problem gets much worse as the night goes on, because they get drunker and it is even harder to talk..[= subcomms become more important = you have even more advantage over other guys in venue…] so I just fizzle out more, even when I can SEE attraction is still there and I should be going strong.”

      see above (about you protecting your residual potential bluish pill disney fantasy)…you are not trusting what you are actually seeing in front of you…getting through that sticking point is just one more step on the journey…

      “I think I need to literally sit down and write a personalised script for myself to follow and memorize a list of routines (more or less) to use when needed. And then do the RSD exercise of “talking at the wall” for two minutes..to keep things going. Still not sure how to handle the issue on the dance floor though..”

      pre-gaming is always good. get some goto routines in your pocket…as far as the issue on the dance floor = pre-game that too…then try things out and see what happens…

      good luck!

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    • on November 22, 2015 at 2:44 pm having a bad day

      @Culum

      in the stack…

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  27. TRUTHS

    1. I noticed more roving eyes from hot women(moms) at one of my kids sporting event than at some of the clubs I have been to.
    2. Unfortunately the majority of men shit test other men.
    3. Holding frame is one of the best strategies one can employ for everything.
    4. Simplifying your life by getting rid of clutter can enhance quality as it allows you to focus on the important things.
    5. When the man is doing all the emotional expressing/talking in the relationship then the women is open to finding someone else as the boredom is killing her.
    6. An attractive woman will not be long-suffering when it comes to waiting for a man to make his move. Even if it is a good looking rich man.
    7. Women do not wait for the right man, just the best available option at the moment.

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    • Truth as told. you all right, Putin.

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    • Thanks for the ideas. Can you provide examples of these two?

      3. Holding frame is one of the best strategies one can employ for everything.

      4. Simplifying your life by getting rid of clutter can enhance quality as it allows you to focus on the important things.

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      • 3. One example would be if your wife had a terrible attitude and so your response was to stay out after 12 every night until she capitulated and submitted to your rules. Not giving into her attitude.

        4. Get rid of your cable, 15 pairs of shoes, the extra tech gadgets, junk you never use. The more things you own, the more they own you.

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      • Agree, Putin. I often feel trapped in a commercialized form of hell with too much stuff, and a desire for more stuff. The Amish have that right, for sure. People were happier in the first half of the 20th Century when they had less stuff, and more family and friends.

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      • You speak to old-timers who grew up in the backwoods of Kentucky and WV, who were much poorer than these modern-day dindus (with all their free gub’ment handouts), and those times (even if they are well off today) were the ‘good times’. Tight families. Tight communities. God-fearing. Overall, they had that natural decency, honestly and morality that only people who are close to the soil can acquire (as Uncle Adolf was fond of saying). Big cities not only attract freaks and perverts, it helps turn people into them.

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 9:13 pm Captain Obvious

      > “hot women(moms) at one of my kids sporting event” ——— It’s almost as though, now that they have that Ball-n-Chain Beta Bux clamped around their ankle for the rest of their lives, they want True Alpha Seed more than ever before. The most horrifying thing – and it’s the spine-chilling terror from staring straight into the Abyss of Darkness Itself – the most horrifying thing is when you realize that their own children sicken these Moms, because they can already see “Beta loser” emerging in their children, and the Moms are desperate for just one single Alpha child [be it an Alpha son OR an Alpha daughter] sired by your Alpha seed.

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 9:18 pm Captain Obvious

        When you see a Mom who is disgusted by her own children, and whose hindbrain desperately wants your seed to give her one last chance at some quality children, it’s like Satan is just standing there with the document in his hand, waiting for you to prick your finger and sign away your immortal soul with your own blood for ink.

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  28. This brings up one of the 37.5 essential questions of manly life: Do you nuke a hungry hamster or train it?
    CH?

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  29. Apropos of nothing …

    Police: Where’s your boyfriend?
    Aitboulahcen: He’s not my boyfriend!
    Police: Where is he?
    Aitboulahcen: He’s not my boyfriend!
    [Explosion]

    Boy—two seconds before the guy blows himself up for Islam, he gets friendzoned.

    I hope he develops some game before he’s introduced to the seventy-two virgins.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12005728/Listen-Paris-female-suicide-bomber-shouts-at-police-during-raid.html

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  30. on November 20, 2015 at 10:32 pm Flashing Lights

    I’d suggest there’s another component to this, and it’s one this site has talked about before: female projection of her desire for a man that’s pre-selected.

    She wants a guy that other girls do things for (“Susan from the office brought in this whole tray of brownies just for me, want some?”) so then tries to pull the same stunt on you to demonstrate that there are lots of guys that want her.

    I’d also suggest that she is trying to determine whether you have appropriately pedestal-ized her. After all, if her other worshipers are bringing her gifts, shouldn’t you be one-upping them just for a shot at getting in her pants?

    In which case standard alpha frame, abundance mentality, etc, would apply. After all, she doesn’t REALLY want you to supplicate as all the others have.

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  31. “This man must be a catch, otherwise why would you go out of your way for him?”

    This is called, “The Benjamin Franklin Effect”. Franklin knew a thing or two about game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Franklin_effect

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    • on November 20, 2015 at 11:12 pm gunslingergregi

      can you posibly imagine the street cred i will have after going back to my wife after like 5 years of her waiting
      thats like 900 trillion in the pussy bank of an entire area
      this motherfucker didn’t do what everyone else does and neither did she
      it is like creating a legend

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      • on November 20, 2015 at 11:18 pm gunslingergregi

        course my chick buddy told my chick i will be going back to my wife when i can and just fly out to try and be nice to her or some shit so she didn’t hope for change maybe part of some kind of sisterhood thing
        so i allready am

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      • Rode it like you rented it. VERY HARD .

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    • Ben warned us about letting the Eskimos in, too.

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      • Did he? Do you have a cite?

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      • The Eskimos have tried to play off Ben’s prophecy about the Christ-killers as a forgery first created in 1934, but it is not. Anonymous, I am not taking your lame bate. If you are on this site, you are fully capable of doing your own searches.

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  32. I run compliance tests all the time, sometimes I even open with one.

    Most recent example.

    Girl at work, I see her on the corridor, after a light tease she mentions she going to the shop. So I ask her to get me some chocolate, she playfully ‘agrees’ but later when I ask her what she got me she said she didn’t get me anything i make a pff sound and tell her I don’t like her anymore she replies because I didn’t tell her what I wanted (I was being playful here, however she was unusually serious at this point) she didn’t get anything, but I insist she knows what I like and i make a pff sound and tell her I don’t like her anymore. She ejects and loudly and enthusiastically says ‘see you later’.

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  33. [“sounds like you’ve already got an errand boy. you don’t need another one.” (this one was from yours truly)]

    Why, CH, I’m surprised, if not even a little shocked, at you; and as someone who has been reading this blog with silent admiration for the past few years, I must say the above example (and a few others) seem, as you would rightly put it, just a little too butthurty – and therefore, O Dark Lord of the Chateau, unworthy of you. However,

    [“Hey, can he pick up my laundry?”]

    on the other hand, said with an appropriately radiant ZFG grin, might very well accomplish that timeless and all-important goal of distaff relations at all ages and in all times – to make a woman laugh uninhibitedly at her own silliness.

    [Ch: i suppose i should have mentioned to say it with a half-cocked grin, so there’s no chance it’s mistaken for the dreaded butthurt.]

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  34. http://freedompowerandwealth.com

    If girls ever want to grow up an become adults – real women, they have to acknowlegde that the world doesn’t owe them anything! Only from that insight they are acceptable as wifes or respectable citizens.

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 4:02 pm gunslingergregi

      To try something you only need some motivation and such is not very “expensive” – to be successful on the other hand you need much more, you need an inner strength which comes from your true self, from the core of your being which cannot be acquire every easily (or even be bought somewhere).””””””””””””’

      yea reverse psyche to men right
      which yea ok but you can achieve everything you ever wanted to do but the one you wanted was legislated against you doing how do you achieve that?
      which i will achieve but sadly not in the us
      i want to actually raise kids if i have them
      which the only way i was able to achieve that in us was to impregnate a drug addict which i can then raise the kid cause she can have it taken away but i can’t certainly guarrantee a family for that kid here
      so what does it matter even if you can achieve its all bullshit
      life is dumb
      and you don’t actually have control over external events that affect you
      yea treat it like a game on hard level but when its on imposible level it becomes something else

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  35. […] Flip The Compliance Script On Self-Entitled Girls | Chateau Heartiste […]

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  36. Just here to submit the beta of the year https://youtu.be/rZ-1iA-56k0
    Girlfriend murdered in the Paris attacks, he makes a video how he doesn’t feel hatred against the subhumans who killed her

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 1:46 pm gunslingergregi

      they are human why when they hit the wierd ass rules of west they are gonna create something diferent
      people in the west can’t posibly know all the rules

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  37. For the love of game please sort the moderation out….. Every time I post its at least 12hrs and usually about 3 days before my insignificant ramblings turn up. 🙂

    Oh wait……. Now I get it

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  38. on November 21, 2015 at 8:04 am Lost in Moderation

    23 years in the Navy, thought I knew acronyms, but geez, all this gamer shit. Can someone give me one good link to a an explanation of all of them?

    Went out on a limb myself last week, adding a big dose of ZFG, and ka-zang, immediately hooked one who said, “I’ve never done this, not in this manner.” Cute face, body right for her age and three chlidren (she’s holding it together), took me 30 seconds to find her entire social media history (she don’t know) and see the great fat Beta who “will love me (and her three whelps) forever.”

    A very instructive lesson, it has been. Thanks for the pointers, y’all.

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 8:21 am Captain Obvious

      I spend a lot of time at UrbanDictionary.com, although, even there, they don’t have everything. Also, occasionally you’ll get a hit on an acronym at TheFreeDictionary.com – for instance, if someone posts “I’d rather be governed by the HAMC than by the GOP”, then TFD will give you “Hell’s Angels Motorcycle Club” – http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/HAMC

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 8:23 am Captain Obvious

        Another example – for the longest time, I was wondering why people kept talking about the “Bureau of Land Management”, until suddenly the lightbulb went off, and I realized that “BLM” stands for “Baboon Lives Matter” or “BowelMovements’ Lives Matter” or some sh!znat like that.

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    • A Google search for “PUA lingo” turns up pualingo dot com.

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  39. The article references something real. The Ben Franklin effect and cognitive dissonance. http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/10/05/the-benjamin-franklin-effect/

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  40. Female suicide bomber in Paris friendzones accomplice before activating suicide vest.

    http://postimg.org/image/acpb9x2yz/086cbe42/

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  41. I got a chick to wash my dishes then, when she had finished, put them in the dishwasher. Feigned outrage followed by a full on banging session.

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 1:41 pm gunslingergregi

      wash dishes then put in dishwasher?

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      • Up until then I had been complaining about the chore of washing the dishes so that she did them by hand. Then when she had gone to the trouble of washing them by hand I put them in the dishwasher that she didn’t know I had.

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  42. Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  43. on November 21, 2015 at 1:23 pm HowlingManTodd

    “Let me see your muscles”

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  44. Video made by an Indian living in Australia about social justice persecution

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 5:21 pm gunslingergregi

      Perhaps if the clueless masses won’t listen to “lunatic” fringe blogs or Sergei Lavrov, they’ll listen to a US Congresswoman who served two tours of duty in Iraq and who is now telling Americans that The White House, The Pentagon, and most especially the CIA are together engaged in an “illegal” effort to overthrow the government of a sovereign country and in the process are arming the very same extremists that are attacking civilians in places like Paris.”””””””””””””””

      ya i guess its all coming out then and kind of proving everything that happens is done on purpose for the most part
      things don’t seem to happen so much by accident unless people just like to claim accidents as there own planning to look more powerfull
      yea good for her for speaking out
      she got two tours in iraq can’t blindfold her he he he

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 5:40 pm gunslingergregi

      Because our war to overthrow the Assad government puts us in direct conflict with Russia and increases the likelihood of war between the United States and Russia and the possibility of another world war.””””””””’

      if she was in iraq then she should know the whole thing is a world war
      people from many countries represented
      allthough the infantry was white men

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 5:49 pm gunslingergregi

        we have ongoing world war iii right now
        just nobody but me called it that he he he

        ””””Because our war to overthrow the Assad government puts us in direct conflict with Russia and increases the likelihood of war between the United States and Russia and the possibility of another world war.”””””

        and isn’t that probably what the whole thing was from the beginning an indirect direct conflict with other main players

        and training exercise for one world power to see how countries that were enemies people like pakistan and india would work together verse another people like the iraqi’s and could ya get white people to train up the countries peoples and bring them up to speed on how to run a war

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      • on November 21, 2015 at 5:57 pm gunslingergregi

        and to let the other countries people know and send out ambassador’s to let them know more personally not to fuck with the us

        yea got to give president bush credit where it is due
        he had contractors and the army fight
        so for one of first times in history the people who went to the warzone in defense of their country were all volunteer
        i mean he never gets credit for shit by the liberal media but he kept their sons and daughters that did not want to go to war out of the war
        he even kept the poor and middle class blacks out of the war who didn’t want to go
        so really president bush was a historic figure and did an amazing thing fought a world war without killing over 5k americans
        really amazing when ya think about it

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 8:55 pm Captain Obvious

      The Mossad and the Sunnis created ISIS in order to slaughter Christians and Shia.

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  45. Breaking News

    Turkey: Wild terrorist swine swims the Bosporus before terrorising Istanbul residents

    Warning: Some images are distressing

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    • Ironic if the West were saved by wild boars.

      There’s plenty of ’em down South… and even wilder boar hunters with boar dogs. 😉

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  46. on November 21, 2015 at 5:34 pm gunslingergregi

    1.Because if we succeed in overthrowing the Syrian government of Assad, it will open the door for ISIS, al-Qaeda, and other Islamic extremists to take over all of Syria. There will be genocide and suffering on a scale beyond our imagination. These Islamic extremists will take over all the weaponry, infrastructure, and military hardware of the Syrian army and be more dangerous than ever before.
    2.We should not be allying ourselves with these Islamic extremists by helping them achieve their goal because it is against the security interests of the United States and all of civilization.
    ””””””’

    it would seem it would be against the security interests of us to let the syrian refugees in allthough maybe that was the deal to get them to fight

    but if the arab region was going to switch to another currency instead of ours to sell oil in then it seems it was for our security interests in that region to be able to get oil there that they had to be punished

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  47. What’s wrong with just saying, in response: “Oh, (Joe) would do that, would he now? Then why don’t you call him?”

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  48. Game (fuck up) question:

    At a party a few weeks ago, I kiss closed a girl. Let’s just call her girl A. About an hour or so later, I k closed one of her friends, girl b.

    Later on, I implied to girl a that she should come home with me. She replied, bit miffed, “maybe you should ask girl b”.

    I replied with a “nah” a la one of the text game pics posted here a while back, but needless to say I didn’t get the bang from either girl that night. What would’ve been a better response to possibly salvage that?

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    • on November 21, 2015 at 8:53 pm Captain Obvious

      SHE: “Maybe you should ask girl b” YOU: “Nah, maybe you should ask girl b for me. Me and you and her. You’d like that, wouldn’t you? All three of us? Yeah you would. Don’t lie to me. You know you want to.”

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  49. OT
    In times when comedy writes itself being a satirist is precarious a vocation

    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.687436

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  50. Hey guys, I posted another original graphic on my site. Check it out.

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    • It may remind some of you of a comment a comment thread here over the summer. I took Greg Eliot’s counsel, which was “simplicity.”

      Post it on your facebooks to hearts’ content.

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    • Clever use of cattle rather than sheep… if I’m not mistaken, goyim means ‘cattle’.

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  51. on November 29, 2015 at 4:01 pm Mybetacompliancestory

    This post really hit home for me and felt compelled to write a long comment. I had been maintaining a harem for sometime until I met a 24 year old girl (a solid 7 to 8 who was the CEO of a company in a male dominated field.) She had raised almost 50 million in Venture Capital and I become so impressed and head over heels I dumped my harem to start a LTR. Myself also being a CEO was excited at the prospect of being with someone also doing their own thing and needing little to no attention and is hot and good in bed to boot.

    My dominance and aloofness in the beginning of the relationship made her crave me and do anything I asked her to do even being the high T dominate women she was. Fast forward 14 months later I had just sold my condo and still had not found a new place. She suggested I move in with her. As her having maintained compliance I figured why not? if it does not work out I’ll move. Fast forward 10 months into living together next thing I know I’m doing the shopping, cooking, cleaning, washing clothes ect… she was even paying all the bills as we never merged them (I still paid half)

    One afternoon I was getting busy with work and I asked her if she could pick up my suits from the cleaners as I’d be running late. Her response: just pick them up tomorrow I’m busy as well. At that exact moment I thought wait a second! when was the last time she did anything for me?

    For almost 10 months everything revolved around her stress, her career, her life. I literally been blindsided and fallen into unconscious betaness. She had started by asking me to go on business trips with her and I obliged later she stopped inviting me and taking some of her other employees. (Males)

    I quickly sprung into evaluation/shit test mode and started shit testing her by randomly asking her to do this for me and that for me and wore her down until one day she exploded and screamed be a man and take care of yourself I’m busy like you! then rolled out one of the most beta comments I could have made at that moment. I said: I feel like all I do is take care of this fucking house while you come home too exhausted to fuck or be romantic, I can’t take this anymore!

    Boom! 5 seconds after I said that, I said to myself holy fuck I sound like a fucking women.

    Not to sound cocky or arrogant but just for the sake of this story. I’m a fit 39 year old, decent looking, wealthy person with some considerable social status at 28 years old served a term as Mayor of my community. My company trumps hers at more than 10 times the revenue or and maybe 7 times more employees. But somehow I had fallen trap to becoming a compliant little servant for her that would do anything to keep her happy.

    Here is what I did to recover in 12 easy steps. First I started to think like a complete psychopath. I calmed down and premeditated a plan to get the power back.

    Step 1 be congruent: I went back to acting like the women for a couple of months but this time with a plan that would shake her whole world up. Step 1’s goal is to make her think she won so she could settle back in and think nothing was up. Once things got back to normal I proceeded to step 2

    Step 2 Disappear without warning: I jetted off with my secretary on a “emergency” business trip. I instructed my office if she called looking for me to tell her that (blank) and I went off to Italy to make a deal. Prior to leaving the house I slipped a note under the frig and dropped a magnet on the ground. The note read where I was, who I was with and what I was doing (more on that later) After I got to my destination I called my office and low and behold they informed me she had called.

    Step 3 Stay quiet, rebuild frame: I went silent soon after I called my office I looked at my phone and slowly text started trickling in from when I was on the flight from my girlfriend. I ignored them. As the days ensued she went from stoically concerned to outright insane. I held my frame and did not respond. After about a week I calmly texted her back and pretended to have not seen or read any of her text or voicemails. I said, hey honey hope all is well, (blank) and I are heading to Milan, not sure how long we will be here, business is good. —- Note it also helps my secretary is a pretty decent single 24 year old HB8 from a rich family. My women texted back what the fuck is wrong with you! you just left without telling me? I responded: oh I left a note on the frig maybe it fell off check under it. She did not respond back.

    Step 4 Stay Silent: I went silent again for about another week as more insane accusatory texts came through and this is where shit got crazy, about 4 days in she called and left a voicemail she was coming to Italy. I thought Perfect time for me to wrap up this business deal and fly back home.

    Step 5 Stay aloof and distracted: I got home, texted her I made it home safe, but not really feeling the area we have been living in since having spent all that time in Italy. She texted back what! I’m in Italy I told you I was coming here why did you leave!?!? I calmly texted back oh? must have gotten lost in translation, my mobile sucks over there then suggested a good mobile provider there and went dark. She then went Nuclear and texted me to stay put she was flying back home and we needed to talk about things. With a smirk I deleted the text and proceeded to step 6

    Step 6 Dread Game: I used extreme dread game, I rented a cheap storage facility nearby and moved 3/4th of my stuff into it. I had a conference I needed to attend in Canada which was perfect timing. Instead of calling my secretary I called one of my girlfriends friends who happens to be a attractive stay at home mom (French transplant) who’s husband is a complete fat useless beta provider that my girlfriend frequently makes fun of and had hinted I needed to help her find a new man. I told her I needed a translator for parts of the conference. She obliged and I informed my office to tell my girlfriend where (blank) and I were, and off we went to Canada.

    Step 7 Stay Calm: Since I have never seen anything more wild than going Nuclear lets call this next level a Cosmic shift. First the text came in as to where I was at then, why I was with her friend then where is my stuff.? I held frame and remained dark and the next thing I know she started bargaining and pleading with me to come home with 45 minute voicemails of incessant crying. I stayed dark for a few more days then headed back home without a peep. I got home early afternoon to nobody home. I started taking care of some work then cooked dinner for 1. As I started my girlfriend arrives home from work and I greet her with a smile and attempt to hug her and she goes ballistic. I shut off all the cooking stuff as she hurls knives and cookware at me and say calmly. I’m not sure what is going on but I’m going to step out.

    Step 8 Let’s Party!: I stay with a friend while still ignoring text and calls from the girlfriend and restart my house search. I found a place on the water on a short sale, closed on it then notified my girlfriend I was sending movers over for the remainder of my stuff. She just texted back OK when? I told her and she quietly faded off. Mean while my buddy and I parties our asses off and I got back to being my old self, boating, fishing, hunting ect…

    Step 9 Courting her again: As I actually did like and love my girlfriend and actually did desire a family I slowly started inviting her to random events with me. Note: we never officially broke up although she kept asking me if it was over and I did not respond to these text or questions. I just diverted to other topics. I allowed things to progress slowly and on my terms not hers. I literally turned down everything she invited me too.

    Step 10 Retraining: I basically courted her for about 8 months until she asked if I would rent out my place and move back in. My answer was you can rent yours and move in with me but don’t sell just in case this does not work out. She put on the daddy’s girl face and said what do you mean in case it does not work out? I said I can’t predict the future I’m looking out for your best interest as well. She sobbed a little bit followed by asking me reassurance questions in which I responded vaguely and without reassurance and she agreed to my terms.

    Step 11 Back together under one roof: So I did not fall back to my beta ways I did nothing but cook for myself, clean for myself and anything that was hers I left out and if she did not take care of it I would reiterate I’m not going to allow a slob to live with me and using what I consider a Jedi mind trick of withholding sex and refusing to reciprocate affection. Eventually she basically conformed in about 3 – 4 months to basically calling, chasing, initiating sex (several times per day) and pretty much doing everything she can to keep me interested.

    Step 12 Maintain steps 9 – 11

    That was 5 years ago and she is still fawning over me. I never cheated and have a women willing to do anything to keep me happy and as I do whats in my power to keep her happy as well without losing control.

    I know my way of re establishing compliance was on the extreme side but I think anyone could replicate my story a million different ways. It works, and if you work it well you can survive and enjoy a good LTR even if you fucked it up in the beginning.

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