Two Studies Confirm Women’s Preference For Dominant Men

Touch — aka “kino” in the pickup artist lingo — is a powerful courtship tactic that increases women’s compliance to men’s requests.

Previous research has shown that light tactile contact increases compliance to a wide variety of requests. However, the effect of touch on compliance to a courtship request has never been studied. In this paper, three experiments were conducted in a courtship context. In the first experiment, a young male confederate in a nightclub asked young women to dance with him during the period when slow songs were played. When formulating his request, the confederate touched (or not) the young woman on her forearm for 1 or 2 seconds. In the second experiment, a 20-year-old confederate approached a young woman in the street and asked her for her phone number. The request was again accompanied by a light touch (or not) on the young woman’s forearm. In both experiments, it was found that touch increased compliance to the man’s request. A replication of the second experiment accompanied with a survey administered to the female showed that high score of dominance was associated with tactile contact. The link between touch and the dominant position of the male was used to explain these results theoretically.

Touching a woman early and often during the attraction phase of a pickup, and escalating the erogenous intent of the touching as familiarity deepens, is one element of what I call the core precepts of game. (Qualifying, teasing, body language, and outcome independence are other core precepts.) Womanizers and love maestros have long extolled the virtues of touching, and now science has added its stamp of approval.

Most interestingly, touch appears to work its magic on women by signaling greater male dominance. Women have a feedback loop that registers male touch as dominant behavior; behavior which arouses women because evolution honed in them a subtle appreciation for men who can protect them from danger and provide them hard-gained social and material resources. A sexually, romantically, and tactilely entitled man is attractive to women for the same reason a beautiful, hourglass-shaped, young woman is attractive to men: They both signal possession of deeper traits that would maximize an opposite sex mate’s reproductive advantage.

If you spend any amount of time in the field, one of the first things you’ll notice is how men who stubbornly refuse to touch women, often from fear of rejection or of “crossing lines”, fail to close the deal. I could pick out the handful of alpha males in a bar with no information to go on except which men touch girls the most often and effortlessly.

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The second study (from 1987, but given the feminist-polluted condition of current sociology departments, that is perhaps a good thing) is a diamond shiv straight through the black heart of sex difference denialists. Dominance behavior increases male attractiveness but not female attractiveness.

Four experiments examined the relation between behavioral expressions of dominance and the heterosexual attractiveness of males and females. Predictions concerning the relation between dominance and heterosexual attraction were derived from a consideration of sex role norms and from the comparative biological literature. All four experiments indicated an interaction between dominance and sex of target. Dominance behavior increased the attractiveness of males, but had no effect on the attractiveness of females. The third study indicated that the effect did not depend on the sex of the rater or on the sex of those with whom the dominant target interacted. The fourth study showed that the effect was specific to dominance as an independent variable and did not occur for related constructs (aggressive or domineering). This study also found that manipulated dominance enhanced only a male’s sexual attractiveness and not his general likability. The results were discussed in terms of potential biological and cultural causal mechanisms.

Dominance alone, as apposed to sheer aggression or domineering control freakery, made the male subjects seem more sexually attractive to women. The effect was not seen when the sexes were reversed.

Color me shocked. Women prefer virile, dominant men and men prefer feminine, deferential women. Thank you, ❤science❤!

(I bolded the second part as a reminder that, although it may appear at a glance that general likability is a prerequisite to female arousal, it is not. Players intuitively know this, and most men would, given the choice, choose passionate sex over “being liked” by women.)

Naturally, this will come as “news” to those creepy recluse losers and bitterboy sex difference denialists who haven’t come within ten yards of catching a cute woman’s intoxicating estrofabulous vibe. And just as naturally, these motley twerps will project the pain of their miserable anhedonic loveless lives with their internet provider or frump wives onto ruthless, charming motherfuckers like yours truly for daring to point out the bleeding obvious.

And it won’t end, it can’t end. The dance of sadistic cruelty with deluded losers, like the dance of love with youthful beauties, is a pleasure incomparable.





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  1. […] Two Studies Confirm Women’s Preference For Dominant Men […]

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    • bingo

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    • If you look at http://debatt.passagen.se/show.fcgi?posting=19500000003820183 you will see what happens to beta providers once the feminists take over completely. This is plainly from Sweden.

      The automatic translation is below: –

      6.okt.2006, kl.01: 40

      Why so many male virgins?

      Is something wrong with our society? Observation 1: The proportion of men with no or occasional experiences seem to be much higher than what emerges from officials. When I was around 24 (is now 36), was without a doubt a majority of my friends virgins, myself included. What were these people? The answer is typical ethno Swedish middle class class nerds who played role-playing games, and had an IQ over 120th Observation 2: The proportion of women in the same situation is decidedly much less, almost non-existent. A small number of men seem to have very much to do! I think we live in a situation that is almost unique, not only geographically, but in history. The man has always been seen as more sexually active until about now. It seems that never before have so many men have had access to so little love over such a long time. Over time it goes well for most, like that sometime between 25-30 harbors the majority in some kind of stable relationship. The women, however, are generally harvested at least one like that 5-10 guys on the team when the corresponding figure seems to be 1-2. Yet it will be a whole bunch left. I myself had such sex the first time when I was 26, though I was drunk and it was completely useless (she found it hard to understand how it could be that I was a virgin, by the way). Since then, the total bill amounted to 1 ½ intercourse, so actually I’m still a virgin, if not technically. course, everyone has their own story to tell. I was extremely interested in girls already six years old, had significantly sense of beauty and early developed a lot of erotic fantasies, but had the misfortune of being fat and ugly and was in the 15-year-old almost convinced that I would die a virgin. Operation peaked already before I was 21 had the opportunity to implement it then, but was too nervous and did not take the initiative, crammed with a lot of excessive pedistalrespekt for women and brainwashed by equality propaganda. Around 27 I became hard lethargic depressed, even more than in his youth, went up even more weight, and it’s really still. Future went to hell and I now live with my mom (yes, just laugh, it’s utterly pathetic). About a year ago I started eating Citalopram, which only had the effect that what was left of the libido died out almost completely. So even though I’m no longer so shy, hopeless and disoriented as I was 20 years old, I can no longer do anything about it, due to lack of resources, accommodation, experiences and unremarkable life. Internal barriers are replaced with very real external ones. What I wanted to say with this? Well, a homeless heroin addict succeed better in life than the one I. He has guaranteed pulled over more women in his day, not to mention a irakiskättad illiterate young thug, with primitive view of women whose first sexual experience was a gang rape in Hallonbergen. These guys are considered to be the winner. Something must be wrong when it ends like this. I used to adore women, I am a highly educated (albeit unfinished) and I are cultivated (when I do not write like-pity-on-me-yourself items in the passage, which is to say). well, what can one say.

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    • totally agree however, it’s difficult at times to impose complete dominance especially with alpha females like my girlfriend which brings me to my actual point/question.
      I’m a newbie on this page so I couldn’t post this on the blog I reference below since it’s comment box were already closed.
      Soo I came across this interesting blog: “Denying Women Sex Is Psychologically Lethal” and I decided to try it on my girlfriend. In the middle of passionate and hot s** I just stopped and told her that she’s not getting anymore tonight. after that we were laying on the bed for about two mins without saying a word to each other and all the sudden she got up and went to take a shower, so I guess to that end this tactic definitely got her hamster spinning like crazy.
      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/denying-women-sex-is-psychologically-lethal/
      Next day she was not talking to me, well too bad I was acting like nothing had happened. Next day after that, still not talking, and the next day, then on the fourth day I made the 1st move by grabbing her from the waist. oooppss! that didn’t go well, she literally pushed me away and told me to not touch her again (obviously her anger talking). We started discussing the issue but didn’t get that far ..if she was to do that to me I would be pissed too but not for that long.
      anyway, to all of you who had tried this tactic, what the heck with this reaction? ..she is trying to turn the table by restricting physical contact but I’m not going to apologize if that’s is what she is looking for! ..maybe this tactic only works on less experience woman?? (I’m 28 and she is 33).

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  2. I do think there should be some explanation as to the difference between alpha kino and being a handsy beta who touches his woman far more often than she touches him. It would appear to contradict the “PDA is Beta” column I saw here a while back.

    [CH: i think the difference is obvious. PDA is within the context of a relationship, kino within the context of a pickup.]

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    • Because the “pickup” touch is more aggressive. You don’t know the girl. You haven’t had sex with her yet.

      Touching in a relationship isn’t as aggressive because consent is obviously implied.

      [CH: pickup touch isn’t necessarily more aggressive, at least not at first. kino needs the wrap of plausible deniability. some differences:
      kino is light arm touches, escalating to upper arm and back touches, then later as compliance increases to leg or lower back touches.
      pda is huggy, cuddly, smoochy, kissy. excessive pda is hard to miss; just look for the beta with his head nestled in his gf’s bosom.]

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      • Yes… I said it poorly but meant the touch can be perceived as more aggressive because it’s pre-sex and implies possession. For example, if I’m sitting next to you and my legs are crossed and you put your hand above my knee when you’re talking. That’s bold if we just met. It’s ordinary if we’re dating.

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      • ch covered it here in responses, but to reiterate– during approaches, the sooner the contact the better, and it doesn’t need to be aggressive, it needs to be congruent with your attitude. you want to come off as a guy comfortable touching women and she’s the weird one if she shies away.

        i’m guessing as society gets more hypersensitive and detesticulated, touching early will seem bolder and bolder and become more and more of an alpha signal.

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      • Burke, everything you just said is absolutely true. But the problem for us Alphas with a Conscience is going to be resisting the urge to fuck ALL of the women whom the effeminate Betas and Gammas are too scared to approach.

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      • If we degenerate into a “Big Man R001z” cesspool, then we become just another den of Orientalistic corruption and depravity and despotism.

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      • kino needs the wrap of plausible deniability

        I see now. IOW, it seems to be a matter of not being afraid to get your hands on her if she’s backing into you “by accident”, but at the same time not initiating an obvious grabfest. That’s what I suspected.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 3:15 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @corvinus: if examples help you, just grabbing her hand to tick kino on your mental list of things to do while seducing is awkward. Asking her a question about her ring or bracelet while grabbing her hand in order to get a closer look is good(of course, after you look at her bracelet/ring, look deep into her eyes and if she seems receptive, caress her hand or whatever).

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      • @Pijama

        Yeah, that does confirm my experience. I’ve done the ring/bracelet thing myself, successfully. And both hand-holding and kissing seem to happen bilaterally, so to speak.

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      • Leonidas & Spartans = NFL, American Masculinity, 1-Man/1-Woman

        Xerxes & Persians == Big Man R001z, polygamy, endemic Beta & Gamma sodomy

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      • A kino story, showing both alpha and beta styles… and a touch of dealing with the BF from https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/two-studies-confirm-womens-preference-for-dominant-men/#comment-615371

        At a neighborhood type bar, it’s large. Crowded but not packed 9PM weeknight. Diverse crowd, some young frat types, some post happy hour older people. There is a group of 10 – 15 people with name tags on. They have that pasty, rumpled after work look of folks who don’t get out much and get “hammered” when they do. Drinking shots, being overly loud so early. Office working, skinny fat and fat fat folks. I peg them as lawyers.

        I have a good vibe projecting. Take the only seat left, next to a solid 7 in a low cut green “I am going out” dress and incongruous pink high heels that were really saying something. She is at the corner, facing a late 20’s skinny pretty boy type with a name tag on, who is earnestly engaging her from the other side of the corner of the bar. He is leaning forward full attention going on and on. She is nodding and umm hmming him. He won’t take a breath. and she is starting to try and eye code me I see from the corner of my eye. I am in bar posture, erect. arms slightly more than shoulder with apart, hands flat on bar, head straight chin up. Occasionally bringing my drink to my lips. Projecting.

        I turn around, my back to the bar and lean back against it, surveying the crowd and the office group assembled toward the back. Eventually the 7 catches my eye and engages me. I ask if she is out with this group and nod towards pretty boy with the name tag. she confirms. I ask, knowing they are lawyers, if this is a bunch of accountants. she says Nooooo lawyers. I say same difference and laugh. I am standing, she is seated and now leaning toward me, I am looking down on her with a quarter head turn, body still facing away from her.

        She asks what I do and I go into my “bean farmer” routine, by the end she is cracking up. I look over at pretty boy, he is now slumped forward in his beer, shoulders hunched, waiting for a break in conversation that is never going to come. Get to deep rapport stage as I ask about her career and she goes into she works for a non-profit that is going out of business. engage her with her hopes and dreams, what she would really like to be doing and banter. she is touching my arm. I now start to face her, get closer. touch her arm, my hand starts touching her shoulder, bringing her in close to me with deep eye contact to make a point etc. Left hand starts resting on her leg. All very natural and chummy, like I have already fucked her. Her eyes are beaming at me. Our faces are close together… Very sexy vibe going on.

        While this kind of engagement is going on between me and the 7 a rumpled mid 30’s ex jock type comes up kind of sideways and stands between her and the pretty boy on the corner, keeps his body facing the pretty boy and engages him in spirited conversation WHILE at the same time his left hand wraps around the 7 and starts to vigorously, vigorously rub and squeeze her arm. I conclude this is the BF, which the 7 never mentioned… This goes on for at least a full minute, the entire time the BF NEVER looks over at me…. He takes his arm off of her and goes over closer to the pretty boy (they are work colleagues) and gets deeply engaged in conversation with him.

        I smile at the 7 and ask her “guess that’s your boyfriend huh”, totally non-plussed about it. This next bit was funny, she ROLLS her eyes with an exasperated look on her face and sniggers, “yeah, how can you tell”. I laugh, as her if he is a lawyer, she says yeah, ” how for fun you then” i tell her and she eye rolls again. She says they are celebrating one guy making partner. While this is going on BF goes back to his group, still never looking at me. Now she excuses herself for the restroom, which is around the other side of the large bar in the back, with a big lounge area right to the side and not visible from the group. I give her a few minutes and saunter over there, thinking of pulling her in and see how things ramp up. It’s not like I am waiting in a small corridor, I am hanging by the edge of the other lounge, no stalker vibe.

        I mess up though, the door opens towards me, so I am blocked when she exits and she is moving at full speed heading back to my former spot. LOL. By the time I casually move back over there she has been grabbed by her BF and he keeps her deep in the center of their group at the way back of the bar. So that’s that. He is draped all over her. I chuckle. Move towards the front and hanging out.

        Then this happens about 15 minutes later. He is walking by me with one of his friends and he stops to talk to me. He goes “you, leave her alone, she is with me”, I laugh, totally casual, tell him ” you should keep your eye on her”, he is getting all screwed up, I will never forget the look on his face, pure beta agony “you were TOUCHING HER” he spits at me, like Gollum, “stay away” and he walks off, all tight in the ass. His little chode buddy, also early thirties little skinny guy, also a lawyer, tells me “we got his back man, you better watch it”, I laugh at him “I’ll be right here with my drink if you have anything you want to do, I mean I am going to get jumped by a law firm! LOL” and give him a cheers and a smile… He moves on with a”go home old man” over his shoulder (I am mid 40’s). Pretty funny exchange.

        I think about that poor guy and how this girl is probably the love of his life and how in minutes she was totally amped up over a mature, good looking roguish stranger who happened to sit next to her in a bar one night. She is going to tear his heart out.

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      • @Sentient

        Good story. A loud bar would provide a good excuse for kino.

        Incidentally, according to this article, you’re a lesser alpha (what Vox calls a “beta”).
        http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2013/04/alpha-mail-fighting-over-woman.html

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      • Sentient –

        Good read, like how you were completely nonchalant about the BF and his cohort trying to go hard an threaten you. I really need to start hitting up the happy hour weeknight scene.

        I am curious, what exactly is the bean farmer routine?

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      • @desertfox1942 this is it below from this thread

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/09/04/common-beta-male-body-language-mistakes/#comment-614465

        Sentient
        “Started chatting to an attractive HB7 black girl and amping up the sexuality in the conversation. She was desperately trying to make it boring “so..what do you do for work?” and I kept dodging that..I didn’t even get that far – when I started talking about how the men in the bar were like lions hunting their prey and they were circling around her..she excused herself and left..”

        ******************************************

        These seem to work well to this type of shit test. 1) Throw out something incongruous to how you come off, I like “bean Farmer” said dead straight and stop talking and hold eye contact. So straight you can see the hamster churning. “really? you’re a bean farmer?” and you can hold it and go into the types of beans a bit more to tease her or just chuckle and laugh and say kidding, which breaks the tension and usually she will laugh at that point. Often get an arm punch.

        2) at this point you can make her read you “What do you think I do, you tell me?” and you can again see the hamster churning. They don’t know if they should be funny (or if they can be) or they try to really come up with something but they have no idea what guys do (I am in finance and usually look like it) and say things like “something with money” or “lawyer” and you can play this off as well… to

        3) if she says money related you go [playfully] “really, are you a goldigger or something [pause – eye contact – smile ] that’s the first thing that pops into your head isn’t it. Maybe I am teaching little kids or working with the poor or something the make the world a better place [best delivered with a smirk so you both know this is impossible], girls are so judgmental!”

        if she says “lawyer” you can go with “do I look that boring to you or have you watched too much TV?, really that will hurt a guy” – again, best delivered with a devilish grin that it is soooo obvious you are not a boring guy.

        Much better than merely evading. done well, if you light the spark by this time she is laughing, tingling and thinking who the hell is THIS guy?

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  3. Makes perfect sense. Women were relying on men for protection for thousands of years before Betty Friedan discovered her existential angst. Dominant men are better at kicking interloper ass. However, imho, it’s a sign of advanced decadence that so many men who rediscover the obvious order between the sexes are looking to play games and degrade others rather than putting that knowledge toward finding a good woman and creating a happy family. Also, fwiw, the manliest men I know don’t waste their gifts putting down other less masculine men.

    [CH: you obviously don’t remember what high school was like.]

    They find opportunities to lead. Dominance is temporary, decline is inevitable and you’re gonna want a loyal wife and some friends if you’re lucky enough to live to old age.

    [dominance is lifelong. once a man has got it, it’s his until death do them part.

    ps “degrading” deluded effete men who lie about the nature of the sexes and spread their poisonous lies through message mediums is what could properly be called doing god’s work.]

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    • you’re gonna want a loyal wife and some mistresses if you’re lucky enough to live to old age.

      ftfy

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 1:49 pm Diversity Is Good

      Lillian
      However, imho, it’s a sign of advanced decadence that so many men who rediscover the obvious order between the sexes are looking to play games and degrade others rather than putting that knowledge toward finding a good woman and creating a happy family.

      So much to unpack here. The nonsensical assumption that there’s “good woman” tree every man can go to, that women don’t play games, that frivorces do not happen, that women don’t file 2/3 or more of divorce actions, that alpha men don’t expend considerable effort to control other men…

      You’re new here, aren’t you?

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      • How did you guess? I come in peace.

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      • Also,
        Good woman tree: be willing to marry at a younger age and consider women at your church.
        Women playing games: yes, true. I agree everyone needs to grow the bleep up.
        Frivorces: seen them with my own eyes. Chaos.
        Alpha men don’t expend considerable effort to control other men: I hadn’t thought of that. It’s a good point.

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      • and please go away in pieces

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      • “So far, I’ve been accused of being a jewess troll or a man in drag. Tough crowd.”

        Lillian, the first time I posted here I got called a gaping putrid whore. You’re doing better than I did. Lol

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 5:34 pm Diversity Is Good

        Good woman tree: be willing to marry at a younger age and consider women at your church.

        Except that women don’t want to get married until they’ve lived out their 20’s, riding the cock carousel, and I’m not about to be the beta provider for some almost-30 slut approaching the Wall. I’ve seen what’s in churches – high school and under, then nothing, then 29 year old babymommas with a bastard or two. Got any other ideas besides “Man UP And Marry A Slut”?

        Women playing games: yes, true. I agree everyone needs to grow the bleep up.

        Women don’t have to, they are special snowflake princesses who deserve a Disney prince.

        Frivorces: seen them with my own eyes. Chaos.

        And the vast majority are filed by women. So what’s your point?

        Alpha men don’t expend considerable effort to control other men: I hadn’t thought of that. It’s a good point.

        You didn’t bother to read or you are unable to understand what was written. Either way not my problem – your “Yea! Team Women! Team Women!” cheer is pretty old and tattered.

        Try again?

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    • This Lillian doesn’t write like women write, and so is definitely a man in drag. Anyway:

      However, imho, it’s a sign of advanced decadence that so many men who rediscover the obvious order between the sexes are looking to play games and degrade others rather than putting that knowledge toward finding a good woman and creating a happy family.

      Again the false assumption that game is only about moving from one woman to the next. The vast majority of guys who learn game will stay with a woman when they find one who they want to be with in a relationship.

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      • First time on the site. Made a fairly innocuous comment. So far, I’ve been accused of being a jewess troll or a man in drag. Tough crowd. I hope good manners aren’t considered poor game ‘cuz that dog is not going to hunt in the South. Anyway, I’m old and happily married and probably don’t belong in this little corner of the Internet.

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      • @arbiter
        The vast majority of men that learn game only scratch the surface. They learn a few tricks and then fold.
        Those that see game to it’s conclusion can never settle.

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      • Pulsotic, that’s what I’m getting at with Burke above – I’m starting to sense that those of us who are Alpha are accelerating so far out away from the great metastasizing mass of Betas and Gammas…

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      • …that we are getting deep into “Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”. If we lose our societal core of 1-Man/1-Woman, and go fully polygamist, then Western Civilization will be lost.

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      • The vast majority of men that learn game only scratch the surface. They learn a few tricks and then fold.
        Those that see game to it’s conclusion can never settle.

        Okay, given that I haven’t settled myself, and always have that nagging voice in my head telling me that I can meet a new girl later, and then another one, I find it hard to argue with that. But I did have a two-year relationship until next year. Then I broke it off. Still looking for a woman with the perfect combination of looks, warm femininity, cuteness, intelligence and intellectualism. (Intellectual to the extent that, while she perhaps doesn’t read political websites herself, she is willing to listen and learn.)

        But back to Lillian – he/she is talking about men who rediscover the “obvious order between the sexes”, not mentioning game. It is incorrect to say that those who rediscover that would never settle down with a woman.

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      • Lillian, welcome. Unfortunately, as you have discovered, there are some problematic people here. I’m sure I’ll have them nuke me for “White Knighting”, but I always found it odd how many female posters here get crapped on no matter what they say (even if they are agreeing with the doctrine here.) No doubt they eventually get annoyed and go elsewhere. A disproportionately high percentage post as Anonymous or some other made-up handle. And any time you even slightly question some of the more, well, inflammatory posts, you are accused of being a feminist troll, a Jewish agent provocateur, etc. Sigh…

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      • @ A Random Guy, you are part right, but wrong in this case. Yes, there are omegas who will vent their lonely frustration at any woman they see here, the one place where they dare do so since they won’t be jumped by white knights afterward. But to criticize Lillian’s erroneous statement is entirely justified. He/she misrepresented game, as I noted above.

        Leftists always misrepresent right-wing positions, 100 percent of the time. Because they don’t have facts on their side they have to use that kind of lie. And CH’s game advice is very much right-wing, in that it is based on a search for realism, instead of the false Marxist worldview where all groups and individuals are equal and there are no instincts. Because of that, CH and other realists are also constantly attacked by the same tactic – misrepresenting what they say.

        Opposing that every time, it’s a duty and a pleasure.

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      • Thanks for the welcome @Random Guy and the invitation to try again @Arbiter.

        My actual position is that feminism and the sexual revolution have destroyed healthy relationships among men, women and children. I came to this conclusion after watching several men I love viciously ground down their (ex-) wives and/or family court, which disabused me of most illusions about feminism. Then I noticed all the pain and confusion in the lives of people pursuing sex as a recreational activity and became skeptical of the sexual revolution as well.

        I initially thought the men on this site were primarily interested in exploiting the chaos for sexual gratification, and some are, but that would be a gross oversimplification based on the thoughtful and varied comments I have read.

        It’s true that women are most often the initiators of relationship breakdown. Maybe it is due to hypergamy, but this factor was not so decisive in societies with more conservative sexual norms. Also, like men, women are at war with their basic natures because motherhood has been devalued and we are constantly bombarded with propaganda that encourages resentment and dissatisfaction. (Not pleading for sympathy, just establishing the mutual misery.)

        On the right, I see two responses in great tension. There’s the brave new world of the alpha wherein we return to the state of nature: women get what’s coming to them and society has no place for the surplus of men who are pushed out of the game.

        Or we could look back to the project of civilization (last good configuration, anyone?), specifically the much maligned system of patriarchy, which allows most men to find wives and makes the world safe for motherhood. The basic rule is to marry young, before damaging sexual experiences accumulate, and stay married. Husbands and wives respect each others roles and are not involved in a constant power struggle.

        Obviously most women are not interested in a return to soft patriarchy but that’s probably because they don’t understand the alternative. They could learn a lot about that here.

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  4. Learned a lot here for sure, thanks CH. Girl I’m currently nailing, tells me about one date she was on, guy actually asked to kiss her at the end of date. She was utterly disgusted and never talked to him again.

    On our first physical encounter I grabbed her forcefully and kissed her passionately only after a few small IOI’s. Now I’m wondering how often I should initiate, because she does about 80% of the time. Can’t get enough dominance this one.

    [CH: back when i was a wee stripling CH, i once had a date that failed to materialize into anything further. i had heard through a third party that the girl i met for the date had wondered why i didn’t kiss her. at the time, i remember thinking she didn’t seem into it.
    lesson learned: bustamove! because the alternative — waiting for the perfect moment — is worse.]

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    • Ha… this is one of the things that ultimately retarded my development during college. At the end of ‘hang out” (date too strong a word) there would be some good bye, with a pregnant pause, which would end with a girl jamming her tongue in my mouth as I said so long. It got to the point that I was conditioned to just wait for this scene to unfold and play unknowing aloof alpha game in the process… so much for pattern recognition. lol

      so interesting to look back on things with red pill glasses.

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      • I know what you mean about looking back, but college? Sucks you were still experiencing that kind of social retardation at that age. Seems like too many males are ‘really late bloomers’ these days. I hate the term, need to come up with a new one for men. But man, when I read comments where the males write that they were still fumbling about with chics when they were 20 years old, it does seem like the jews really have discovered a way to eliminate or soften masculine nature.

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      • JohnDSee, I am also one of those who kick myself thinking of missed chances in college. If I had read the manosphere at that time there are many things I would have done differently.

        Some particular cases I’m thinking of make me want to bang my fist in the wall. I could have had sex with that girl, and that one, but I didn’t! I’m sure we’ve all had that feeling.

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 9:57 am haunted trilobite

        love will tear us apart and sex will drag us to hell

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      • @Arbiter. Reflecting on those missed chances informs my decisions and actions now. I think of those experiences often, discuss with my friends and we laugh and learn. My point was just that it seems that too many males aren’t going through these things when in high school. That’s when the hormones created random boners and awkwardness that put me in the confused mindset where I couldn’t see the opportunity. By the time I was 18, I had a band and an apartment with roommates and chics were easy pickings. I get frustrated thinking about the social retardation phase happening to these guys when they’re in college.

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      • Ha… I missed lot’s of signals over the years… I was 17 for the first semester in college so i was literally a late bloomer as well.

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      • @ JohnDSee: In high school? In my high school only about ten percent were in relationships. I am always surprised by American TV shows and movies presenting high school as one big dating game. I keep wondering if it’s really like that. For us high school was about preparing for after high school.

        @ Sentient: You were seventeen in college? You must have jumped ahead a year or two. Impressive.

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    • B…bbb..but consent is sexy!

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  5. Touche on high school and why men are so mean to each other … Just discovered your site so I’ll read some more. In the meantime, I stand by diagnosis of advanced decadence. Thanks for the responses.

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 1:45 pm Diversity Is Good

      In the meantime, I stand by diagnosis of advanced decadence.

      Gee, no one here poolside has ever considered that…

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  6. Out driving today – Rush Limbaugh on the Jewish all-out war against the NFL and American masculinity -sounded like it came straight from the Chateau.

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    • Then I come back home and on Fox News some Anchor Cunt is interviewing a professorette from New York State about the Ray Rice case and neither one of them acted as though they had ever even heard of “50 Shades of Grey”.

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      • Anchor Cunt & Professorette keep going back and forth on theoretical excuses for why a woman would go back to a thug but never come within a country mile of “BDSM” or the Allure of Pain.

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      • Or that a cavewoman might like a caveman with some ballz between his legs when the Sabre Toothed Tiger saunters around, sniffing about the cave, with the aim of eating them for dinner.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 3:16 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        ZS, the odds here are that she stayed with him because he was about to make millions of dollars. Why not hang about for a few years, divorce and keep a few of those millions for yourself?

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      • PJWN, $$$s are always a factor, but it happens in the trailer parks, too, where nobody has any money.

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      • It’s as though these women would rather spend their entire lives getting beaten to a pulp by a masculine man than having to endure just five minutes of boredom with an effeminate manboob herbling.

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      • As though, for a woman – especially for a woman who is still ovulating – five minutes of Beta boredom is a torture which lasts an ETERNITY.

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    • Out driving today – Rush Limbaugh on the Jewish all-out war against the NFL and American masculinity

      Bullshit… wake me up when the negro worship that is the NFL is not touted 24/7 from late summer to mid-winter by the MSM.

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      • I’m waking you up, man. Jews are abandoning the Chimpanazees in favor of the Feminazis and the Fags.

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      • Jewish TMZ is leading the war against the NFL over Ray Rice. And the Jews [first the LA CLippers, now the Atlanta Hawks] are cashing out their NBA shares.

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      • When the One-Eyed Jew cashes out, I’ll put my feet on the cold floor… not before.

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      • Sammy Davis Jr died quite a few years ago, Kemosabe.

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      • The Jew from TMZ is on Greta Van Susteren’s show right now and he is throwing everything at Gooddell and the NFL.This is all-out war.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 5:42 pm haunted trilobite

        For all u luvverz out there in patriarchy land, dropping a new soundbite into the manosphere with aaudacious aplomb. Inspired by the dead-eye dick(sucker) womanning the pro-choice stand, ladies and gentlemen, I give you ‘abortionista’.

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      • Sammy Davis Jr died quite a few years ago, Kemosabe.

        Half-assed joke, Schlomo… the one-eyed Jew is the boob tube.

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  7. I read the first study, it was kind of bizarre. It should be noted that the men they chose for the study were rated most attractive out of the selection pool but the difference in experimental groups clearly shows touch produced better results. This was done in France though where touch is a bit culturally different than it is in the US. Kissing women’s cheeks is an ordinary way of greeting them in many parts of Europe. So while on the dominance topic, is continuing an argument with a disagreeable woman until you win dominant? My colleagues wife does this to me constantly but I feel like I am stepping on toes whenever I don’t back down from her arguments.

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    • experimental evidence should be coupled with field observations for a fuller picture of what works on women. we have ample anecdotal evidence that touching increases the compliance of american women too.

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    • > “My colleagues wife does this to me constantly…” She’s already yours to fuck if you want her. Just think about the consequences of cuckolding a homeboy.

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      • Really? She once even asked “You don’t like girls do you?” I dunno, it is weighing a sought-after lay with ruining a colleague’s marriage. I would be happier if she didn’t constantly try to undermine things I say and I believe that if I can suppress her mouth then, having been placated, maybe she will introduce me to her friends she always mentions but never invites over. It is just strange to say something that is obviously true and then have someone disagree. More so because her husband just sits there. If you are right maybe my plan to be friendly with her so she would introduce me to friends won’t work.

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 2:33 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I kissed the cheek of women of multiple nationalities when introduced to them since that’s simply how I greet women. The only difference in the reaction of women from countries where this is normal(mine) and women from countries where this isn’t normal is that with the latter, you simply maintain eye contact, grab their hand when they extend it expecting a hand shake and then kiss their cheeks. I can’t remember one reacting badly. They complied with it(kissing my cheek back) and I never felt any awkwardness between us due to it. Tip: wear cologne.

      Here it’s even customary to kiss the cheek of your male friends if you haven’t seen them for a while, so I don’t really have any awkwardness with kissing cheeks. lol. The reality with women though is that you act like this is normal, they will feel it’s normal more often than not.

      “So while on the dominance topic, is continuing an argument with a disagreeable woman until you win dominant?”
      No, just dismiss her in a funny way that conveys you don’t take her seriously or simply troll her. I have a couple of female friends who are feminists and when they make feminist points, I simply make fun of them to their face. Everyone else laughs, they get pissy and we move on.

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      • Very interesting this. I live in Latin America where kissing women on the cheek is common as well, but travel back to the U.S. often for business. I now kiss American women on the cheek every time I’m introduced, even in a business setting. The fascinating part is that you can see them getting instantly tingly. I’ve even adjusted it so I grab them lightly behind the neck as I kiss their cheeks, linger just a tad bit longer than usual, move a bit more slowly, look them in the eye afterwards and slightly smirk with a “pleasure to meet you”.

        The signals are clear as day. They blush, smile innocently with heads slightly down and big wide eyes looking up at me. They will even fidget nervously. Don’t notice these effects with Latinas at all, likely because it’s so commonplace here. But with American women and all the equality bullshit I think it fries their circuits because it’s so uncommon and bold.

        And if you want to REALLY fry their circuits, try this in a business situation where you and other men are being introduced to a woman: Wait until the other men get done shaking hands with her, and then be the only one to pull her close and kiss her on the cheek. You’ll set yourself apart for sure.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 7:40 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Thoroughbred, that’s exactly my experience too. Girls in my country are indifferent to being kissed on the cheek or having their hand shaken. I prefer kissing if the girl is attractive, especially since women suck at shaking hands. I often feel like I’m squeezing a piece of poop in my hand. lol. Of course, I prefer that feeling to kissing the cheek of ugly girls.

        This being said, I noticed the same effect on girls who aren’t used to it. A female friend that works abroad brought a friend from over there here and when she introduced her friend to me, I kissed her cheeks and I did sense that feeling of shyness combined with attraction/sparkle in the eye. She’s from a certain Germanic country where people have a bigger personal space. Too bad she wasn’t really attractive enough to bother with considering how horrid the logistics were.

        I think women simply like men who dare to invade their personal space, regardless of what they consider that space to be. Maybe this is yet another way in which women with lots of sexual partners can no longer feel attraction: literally nothing except putting it inside of them invades their personal space.

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 10:11 am haunted trilobite

        heh heh. the dulling of the senses. making a wry comment about their ‘body art’, suggesting it’s all right to be pro-choice when you’re not the one being chosen, changing the channel away from x-factor, any sort of attention from a well-intentioned ‘beta’, daddy not putting cocktail money in her bank account, etc, all represent an invasion of her personal space these days. money in her account

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  8. Just sent to a 20 year old sex thing:
    “Your beauty is ethereal and otherworldly. You are a gorgeous delicate flower swaying gently in a majestic lavender wind. Your outer grace is surpassed only by your inner artistry.”

    Dominating her with my poetic bouquets. Am I doing it right

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    • only if your very next text is 8====D~~~.

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    • “Am I doing it right”

      yikes. i always try to make her wonder, “what does he think of me?” she likes to play “he loves me, he loves me not”. you’ve removed all doubt and taken away some of her tingle fun.

      but of course if she’s really into you, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

      i think men appreciate artistic expression way more than women. you can write that stuff all day. just don’t send it. send the opposite. something like “i hate your face.” (can’t remember who suggested that months back but props i use it often now.)

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      • Dude, I know it’s the internet but this went way over your head. She knows I’m being sarcastic.

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      • “She knows I’m being sarcastic.”

        lets hope so.

        there is usually a bit of truth in sarcasm. also not the best method for tingles. relies too much on vocal inflection/delivery and you sent it in text.

        you used a lot of words to convey what? every communication should have a purpose, mostly to set up the bang. don’t see that here. just pointless overcommunication.

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      • I’ve already banged her and it’s just a playful text. It’s also in the context of a longer conversation that i didn’t include here. Not everything has to be a carefully planned battle tactic. they’re just girls

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      • But even if the words were sarcastic you said the words, and that’s what she’ll remember.

        It’s like an ad saying, “Carpenter Jones – We Don’t Just Make Coffins Anymore”. The one thing you’ll remember is that it’s a company that makes coffins. So if you want a dining room table you’ll probably go elsewhere.

        The thing is, men will often do something cutesy and claim it’s a joke, when that’s just a cover. Like handing over a rose on the second date and do it with a “Look, a rose!” grin. But it’s still a rose. And a woman will suspect that he simply wanted to hand over a rose to show his romantic subservience.

        But I don’t know your specific case. Maybe you mocked this kind of thing when talking to her earlier, and then sent the message right after.

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 2:36 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      A guy that means it when he says stuff like this was talking to this girl who was pretty much talking to a friend of mine about what made this guy think that she will ever give him the time of day. She didn’t mind stringing him along though. I do sometimes tell women stuff like this, but I make sure it’s face to face because I can convey the fact I’m pulling their leg with my demeanor.

      “Your beauty is ethereal and otherworldly. You are a gorgeous delicate flower swaying gently in a majestic lavender wind. Your outer grace is surpassed only by your inner slut.”
      I wonder what reactions that would bring. lol

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    • “Your beauty is ethereal and otherworldly. You are a gorgeous delicate flower swaying gently in a majestic lavender wind. Your outer grace is surpassed only by your inner artistry.”

      Lol. FWIW, I got it right away. Wiseass game.

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  9. Interesting, and confirms what most of us already know. I use touch, as noted, for two purposes. In my kingdom I first use it to set up a pseudo harem, iow I walk around at the beginning of court and touch girls I know who dig me (but whom I’m lukewarm on), usually lightly and playfully, arm or small of back in passing and saying “hey, good to see you tonight”. Make the rounds, head back to my hang out area with my buds. Within fifteen minutes I have girls across the place all flirting with me from different areas of the establishment (the ones I “innocently” touched in passing), and many walk over to casually “talk”, almost on a serve by number basis. Then I hone in on my real target(s) whom I am aware have been taking note since they are all staring in my direction and giving me the IOI’s. Strike up a convo, or they too end up nexto me unbidden, I start the escalation, boom.

    Yes, it’s evil, but hey, who cares. The pseudo-harem seem to continue to respond to to, the ones that lose interest I replace with other women into me that I’m lukewarm about. Good times had by all.

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    • TB, where the hell can you consistently kino an entire room and be confident that you won’t awake a slumbering Alpha who might just snap and put you in the hospital?

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      • Seattle? Portland? San Francisco?

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      • the fear among men new to pickup that some massive alpha gorilla is going to fuck them up for staring sideways at a girl is overblown by at least a factor of 100.

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      • related, an easy method for avoiding hairtriggered beatdowns is to avoid frequenting black venues.

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      • Maybe shit is just different down here in the Red States with strong NCAA DIV 1 sports programs and bazillions of Scots-Irish driving around in pickup trucks filled with shotguns.

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      • For what? Walking around telling girls “Hey, nice to see ya”, giving her an “innocent” friendly touch and then walking on? Heh, seriously? Besides, it’s my venues, everybody likes having my attention and talking to me, and I have lots of “lumbering alpha” buddies who would be by my side in an instant if some scrub decided to pull shit. Everybody knows it.

        Plus what CH said. That’s a distant threat at best. I’m 6’3″ (6’4″ in my boots) and built similar to Vin Diesel in his heyday. Nobody wants a piece of me. Besides, I’m just too damned charming to take offense at, heh.

        But to the topic at hand, take note gents, it works great and you do not have to walk in with five girls on each arm (which is a headache to deal with, IMO)

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      • Oh, btw, central/north central Ohio. Not big city, but red flyover country, since you ask. Those big scots Irish lads are here too. It’s all good.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 2:43 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Are you insane? He said he’s there with his buddies. I assume his buddies would help him fuck a dude up. This being said, I’ve been going to clubs for about 6-7 years and I haven’t seen this happen. Most men are all talk, but no action, including the ‘big’ guys who think being aggressive towards other men will get them anything. Plus, you must be an idiot to be put in a hospital if you’re not outnumbered. If you feel a fight is imminent, just punch the guy as hard as you can. I’d say 90% of fights are won by the guy throwing the first punch(unless he’s a wimp who hits like a girl). After you punch the dude, just make a swift exit(you’ll be kicked out of any decent venue anyway lol).

        There’s another thing at play here: unless you’re a weird guy doing it, people will like you for having fun. In my clubbing days, I had people follow the cab I was in with another cab to ask me where the afterhours is at. If you and your group exude this energy, people will let you kino whoever you want in the club or even introduce you themselves to their group. I miss those days a lot nowadays. :/

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      • No, I’m just obsessed with Jews and ovens (hmmm, there’s an interesting confluence!)

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      • Shut the fuck up, fake commenter. You’re a pathetic little shit.

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 3:20 pm ALPHAbetacal Order

        If you are that worried, hit on chicks when the cooler is around. Sure the Swayze looking dude might intercept your target, but you won’t get your faggy ass kicked

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 3:39 pm ALPHAbetacal Order

        I second ole CH’s sentiments. Generally it takes a bunch of booze and/or a few vibrants for some spat over a women to amount to much. The one time I found myself throwing bombs, tangentially because of a broad, a spic instigated things.

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    • PWN has it exactly correct. That is the dynamic at play. It’s not a bad thing if everybody thinks you’re the life of the party and the acknowledged cool dude. And full disclosure, I’d never play that game on women I know are taken, though some nights it’s clear that I could easily get by with it.

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    • on September 11, 2014 at 2:33 am fucku4urservice

      @pwjn 1: you assume his buddies will “help him fuck somebody up”? For fucksake, are you a coon or a wog of some kind? Your buds help you not get fucked up. They dont behave like babons.
      2: About hitting people first, especially on target with great force. Here in Australia, every week there seems to be a new case of some drunk fool hitting another drunk fool who loses consciousness and control of his body as he falls so that the slack contact of head and ground ends up killing him. The incident is invariably captured on CCTV and as it is not self-defense it leads to a long, life-destroying incarceration for said first puncher and sadness and grief for so many people affected by it. Your advice to punch first in anything but a life threatening situation is beyond juvenile and beyond stupid.

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 8:02 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        fucku4urservice, it’s not my fault your self-defense laws are beyond stupid(to be expected in a land of eunuchs that are being actively colonized while they twiddle their thumbs in order to not appear racist). In any sensible country, if someone exhibits an aggressive attitude towards you and they touch you in any way(aka shove you, which is what these dumbass meatheads do), it is self-defense to punch them in the face. At least here it is self-defense – which is why we don’t have these dumbasses being aggressive in an uncalled way to begin with.

        And yes, if some dude comes and punches you in the face, if your friends are worth anything, they will fuck him up. Just because your friends are good for nothing wimps(again, to be expected from a land where men are about as passive while the country is being colonized), it doesn’t mean others are baboons.

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 9:04 am haunted trilobite

        no comprende ese. don ju kno espanol is lingua official estadio unis america??

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  10. Why do you thank science, CH? I suspect it’s because your existence can’t be validated unless you find sources of external validation to constantly validate the notions you’ve come across during your existence.

    [CH: no, it’s because it gets under the skin of the right sorts of lying losers.]

    So soon that it will end and none of it will matter though.

    [if none of it matters, what’s keeping you from putting the barrel in your mouth right now?]

    Do you accept these dark truths like the psychosexual ones you preach? Or are existential pursuits off limits because you have no say in the outcome?

    [i have a say in my outcome. that’s enough.]

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    • Blah blah blah. Leftists hate research because it contradicts their lies. Too bad for you.

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 4:58 pm Diversity Is Good

      concern troll
      Why do you thank science, CH?

      Because properly done science explains reality, CH and some others live. Because leftwing braindead zombie SJW wave “science” like a cheerleader’s pom-pom without really knowing what it is, and showing leftwing braindead zombie SJW’s that science has once again shivved the Feminine Imperative is an etherial, but real, pleasure.

      I suspect it’s because your existence can’t be validated unless you find sources of external validation to constantly validate the notions you’ve come across during your existence.

      I suspect you are projecting your own insecurities onto others.

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    • For the life of me, Huhhu, I can figure out what you are trying to say. It looks like you’re using too may words to say, “The truth hurts.”

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    • Science only validates what everyone has known. God made males the dominate gender and females the weaker gender to compliment.

      But since most are brainwashed into equality and such we find is surprising when how things actually are don’t line up with what our elites force us to think.

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  11. on September 10, 2014 at 1:52 pm Diversity Is Good

    The second study looks to have been better done than the newer one. No surprise. But it is good to know that science has demonstrated as Uncle Elmer says, a man wants a wife, not a competitor. Or as others say, a man wants a wife, not a short, angry man with tits.

    Of course the estrogensphere will reject these bits of research. With shrill and angry screams, I bet.

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  12. Please review this and get back to us with your thoughts :

    http://elitedaily.com/dating/men-pssies-women-need-start-asking-men-dates/746965/

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    • my thoughts? from skimming the article, she’s right in concept if not in the details. western men are becoming huge pussies. but instead of asking women to do the impossible (women are constitutionally averse to actively hitting on men) she should be enlightening men on the need to act more like men and

      wait for it

      bustamove!

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 3:09 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        She should also suggest women to act feminine, go to the gym and eat properly. The reality is that we’d all approach more women if we felt attracted to more women. I simply don’t see sex with the modern average woman worth the bother/boner, which is why game makes sense to me. It’s also the realisation that you won’t have an awesome social circle that will help you get laid like in college forever so if you want to keep banging young girls, it will require work. Wish I wouldn’t have been lazy while in college though – could have been far more fun. If I’ll have a son, I’ll teach him game when he will start high-school. Someone will deflower all those girls, why not my son?

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      • @pajama
        Teach him at 12 years old. High school is way too late for him to learn the fundamentals. If you wait that long he will have a ton of MSM programming to unlearn. He should already know the basics of interacting with girls in 6th grade when he’s likely to first get some nookie. Part of that lesson plan should be putting the fear of God into him so he uses condoms.

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      • CH,

        Been bustin’ moves on the lead/follow dance floor for some time now. 🙂

        As a woman dance instructor once said, “[Lead/follow] dance is a contact sport.”

        Women are less likely to actively hit on men, but it happens occasionally if a woman sees a man as having high SMV relative to her (4+ pts.).

        Gamer Maxim: “Every approach after rejection raises your SMV a fraction.”

        One time at Toupee’s–er, Touche’s–I was shot down 8 times in a row by 5’s and 6’s. Then a much younger 7 eagerly accepted my offer to dance. She couldn’t dance a lick–probably was interested in something besides dancing–belt buckle polishing maybe. Slow dance is very popular there and women like to rub their tits against men’s chests.

        Gamer Maxim: “Women love to flirt. Flirt early and often.”

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 2:11 pm Diversity Is Good

      Someone should ask elite daily this question:

      ” I live in a neighborhood where there are a lot of pet dogs. My friends and I like to kick dogs whenever we see them. We’ve been kicking any dog we see since we were in grade school. Now 20 years later, all the dogs keep avoiding us. We don’t understand why this is. Can you eliete daily writers explain it?”

      Women spend years cutting mens balls off, then wonder why men have no balls. A little problem with cause and effect, maybe?

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    • “But, most importantly, there are no dates.”

      no longer required to get the bang. thank you feminism.

      skittles man FTW.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 3:04 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I can honestly say I’ve never been on a dinner date. I can’t say the idea of being on one attracts me either. Dates = walks in the park, playing silly games like minigolf or bowling, maybe going to the movies/shopping, going to a pub/bar etc.

        I simply don’t see the benefit of going to some restaurant to eat with a girl. I’d rather make a couple of sandwiches, grab a blanket and take a girl to a remote island on a lake and star gaze. Maybe take some candles and a couple of sky lanterns if you want to make it special(illegal here, but who cares?). If she’s into you, she’ll probably want you to fuck her there, on the blanket, under a sky full of stars and surrounded by candles. Not something that’s going to happen while on a dinner date.

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      • PJN, that sounds like an awesome date. Bring an ice chest filled with a couple of bottles of champagne and two glasses and fuck her brains out au naturel.

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      • Or bring her BFF and three bottles of champagne and go for the menage.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 7:49 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @ZS, not sure if you had public sex before, but it’s a hassle to drag ice buckets and crap back to the car after you drained your balls inside some girl. Plus, why make it more expensive than it needs to be? Not a big fan of champagne either, but I’d tolerate it insofar as I get to pour it in her navel and drink it from there while she’s blindfolded and her hands are cuffed to the bed. The ice bucket comes in handy then too. Not sure why girls go nuts when they are blindfolded. I assume being deprived of sight amplifies their other senses or something.

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      • @PWM – acute restraint stress induces release of oxytocin, vasopressin, corticotropin releasing hormone, adrenocorticotropin, prolactin, and serotonin, amongst others.

        Serotonergic activity is particularly elevated in the dorsal raphe nucleus in response to restraint stress. This effect profile is consistent with MDMA.

        Dopamine turnover was decreased in tuberoinfundibular dopaminergic neurons – which are 2-3x as reactive to sexual stimuli in females – but not decreased in the striatum, notably involved in reward and reinforcement of behavior – particularly related to drug-seeking behavior. The overall effect can be summarized by the title of one of the supporting studies: “Cross-sensitization between cocaine and acute restraint stress is associated with sensitized dopamine but not glutamate release in the nucleus accumbens”.

        In other words, short term (5-30m – 1-2h) acute restraint stress induces a neurochemical alteration similar to euphoric stimulants and decreases available dopamine – while sensitizing response to more dopamine – in areas reactive to sexual stimuli. This effect i pronounced two- to three-fold in female subjects.

        Long story short, being tied up is a high for a sexually aroused woman that makes her jones for more sex.

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      • Breaking into pools at night to go skinny dipping, carrying 50 lbs of ice and wine and cheese and blankets for half a mile to get to the best fuck site in the Park/Aboretum/Botantical Gardens, climbing to the roof of a 10-story construction site to fuck under the stars, or just fucking on the hood of your car right there in the parking lot – that’s Zombie Game for you.

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    • Pure societal projection on the part of a Plain Jane who doesn’t get enough attention from men because the men would rather spent a little or a lot of quality time in the masturbatorium enjoying their 4.3 billion terabytes of pr9n rather than spend any money or time on this particular authoress. Purest hamsterbation, not even worthy of our host’s shiv. My advice to her would be Go Team Lesbo!

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    • from the article:
      They’ll offer to buy you a drink, but never pay

      hmmmm…

      guy: hey, lemme buy you a drink. what’re you having?
      girl: ummm….appletini?
      guy (to bartender): one appletini for her and i’ll have a scotch on the rocks. put it on her tab.

      sounds like a boss move to me!

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  13. Heartiste: would love your take on life long red pill guys like Clooney and Paul Janka getting hitched.

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  14. One “kino” thing I do often: I make sure to walk with a girl up a particular hill to get to a place with a view. Because the hill is steep I take her hand and put on my arm. Or (well-trained, natch) biceps, to be more precise. Aside from getting some kino I also get an indicator of her interest: If a girl keeps her hand there she is interested. If she removes her hand as soon as she can do so without being rude, she isn’t.

    Another thing is that when we are up there and sit down on a park bench to watch the view, I tell her that the way you’re supposed to do it is old-fashioned, “like this”, and I put my arm around her shoulders to pull her toward me.

    Most of the time it works, because I will know the girl at this point. But two weeks ago a girl went, “Ookay!” with a nervous tone and moved away. You can’t win them all! But it’s better to get the indications early on. A girl who doesn’t like kino (at the right moment) will usually just drag out the interaction date after date, and in the end you won’t have gotten anywhere.

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    • Addendum to that last part: There is a common notion that men “use women for sex”. Supposedly the guy gets sex from a girl with the promise of a relationship, and then he ditches her. But how often does that happen, really? Sex is simply part of the dating process without being a promise, and the girl knows this. You’ll want to see what a girl is like in bed just like you want to see if she is nice to talk to, plus that the sex is enjoyable for both.

      No, more common I think is that girls use men for company. I.e. make the man go on date after date without providing sex. She knows he wants sex, she just pretends not to know, in order to make him entertain her.

      Girls don’t make this a conscious thought, of course. They are masters at self-deception and don’t want to feel like they are stringing a man along. And so when he breaks up because of the lack of progress she will not blame herself; she will convince herself that this is proof of his lack of commitment and therefore proof she did the right thing by not sleeping with him. And then it’s on to the next guy.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 6:53 pm gunslingergregi

        woman use men for sex bro
        they just sneaky fuckers

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      • Women need tingles, comfort, validation, and drama for their emotional well-being. Men in a relationship need to provide these and women will seek out men who provide these temporarily.

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      • on September 10, 2014 at 6:54 pm gunslingergregi

        the truth is the opposite of everything you think you know
        lol
        except what hurts your feelings

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      • How can this post (“Addendum to that last part”) show up, while the post that I wrote first and that I am replying to still says “Your comment is awaiting moderation”?

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 8:07 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        8======D~~~~ wordpress

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      • gunslingergregi

        woman use men for sex bro
        they just sneaky fuckers

        on September 10, 2014 at 6:54 pm gunslingergregi

        the truth is the opposite of everything you think you know
        lol
        except what hurts your feelings

        ……..Okay….

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      • on September 12, 2014 at 2:27 am gunslingergregi

        Arbiter
        gunslingergregi

        woman use men for sex bro
        they just sneaky fuckers

        on September 10, 2014 at 6:54 pm gunslingergregi

        the truth is the opposite of everything you think you know
        lol
        except what hurts your feelings

        ……..Okay….

        yea that does hurt my feelings
        see
        I’ve always been used for sex ever since my first time

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    • on September 11, 2014 at 10:28 am haunted trilobite

      modern ‘make up the rules as you go along’ dating, perhaps. it wasn’t part of traditional courtship

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      • People have sex today without being boyfriend and girlfriend and without it necessarily being a promise of a relationship, it’s quite uncontroversial in PUA/manosphere circles.

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    • “One “kino” thing I do often: I make sure to walk with a girl up a particular hill to get to a place with a view. Because the hill is steep I take her hand and put on my arm. Or (well-trained, natch) biceps,”

      5h1t, women squeeze my biceps alla time in lead/follow dancing. NBD. Sure, they’re flirting. Proper response is to grab their a$$. Oh, wait, I can’t because my fakking hand is on her fakking back and I’m busy leading the steps. Ok, so I just tell her that when I get a chance I’ll grab her a$$. She’ll laugh. She got her tingles.

      When we walk back, I don’t let go of her hand, but take it and put it on my arm. Not infrequently a woman will then press her tit against my arm. That’s when I feel creeped out, lol, unless she’s really hot. Yeah, the joys of autism….

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  15. A coworker of mine has a bunch of gay orbiters. They routinely drop by to see her and they always hug, etc. Thinking about the difference between them and touchy beta orbiters, it seems both groups are in the friendzone, one group voluntarily, the other, involuntarily.

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  16. It makes me wonder how the hell betas appeared in the first place, or continue to appear.

    If you’re into Creationism then I guess god created them when he decided the shrieks of the damned in hell weren’t entertaining enough any more.

    If you’re in the Darwinist camp, then you know the kind of civilization required for betas to get laid has existed for a relative eyeblink. Yes, betas invent and build things, but as any sentient human knows by now, the mating value of this is less than zero. Yes, women love their iTard 6s, but when it’s sexy time they prefer a forcible transit to the proverbial cave by one of Chris Brown’s distant (in a strictly temporal sense only) ancestors for the whorefinder hospitality special.

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    • somebody call my name????

      rape rape rape!

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    • “Beta” as used in the manosphere terminology is not weak or inferior, it simply means not knowing the best way to navigate the modern dating scene in order to maximize your options. Geniuses, generals, CEOs, natural leaders of all kinds can still be “beta” in dating. I have known at least one guy who was built as can be, tough guy, who knew almost nothing about game. But he still had a girlfriend.

      It doesn’t make them profligate less. Not when we have monogamy, one man pairing up with one woman to have a child. If harems were still the way babies were made, then only a minority of men would have children, but that’s a long time ago in the Stone Age.

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    • Beta is really just a behavior. A lot of guys are into labels on these boards because they assume Alpha is superior. I know we can fall into the trap of using Alpha and Beta as shorthand or archetypes because it is easy and conveys some meaning.

      But really successful game is a combination of Alpha behavior (dominance, leadership, frame, assume the sale, etc.) and Beta behavior (rapport, building comfort, etc.). The trick is in titrating between the two within your interactions and understanding the environment and what the girl will respond best to at the moment. This becomes even more evident when you move past short term hook ups and towards or into LTR’s. All alpha all the time fizzles after a few months, the same with all beta.

      All alpha = Somalia

      All beta = People’s Republic of Berkeley

      Neither are inhabitable for more than a short time.

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      • All alpha all the time fizzles after a few months, the same with all beta.
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        Thats why ambiguity game works so well; frame of no frame… Its not “do I feel lucky?”

        Its “do you feel lucky punk?”

        Be a white knight in black face, or vice versa; don’t let ANYBODY put you in a box, paint the sky on the ceiling and have you believe thats the whole world.

        Thats for ni66ers

        Their categories are for their comfort NOT yours.

        Never let people use their discomfort against you as a tool to make you change. Fuck you, I ain’t your god damn pillow.

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  17. Touching a woman early and often during the attraction phase

    I use this constantly. Usually in the context of “guiding” a woman – so I’ll put my hand on the middle to side of her back to guide her through a crowd or to the back-area after a performance when we’ve gone out into the crowd to meet and greet. Women have always responded well to this – but then I learned that touching a woman in a familiar way tends to short-circuit their “timing” phase of a relationship. If you are touching them in a familiar way, they see it as what you do and don’t worry about it. I’ve found that guys who brought a girl to the show and didn’t touch her, are pretty much forgotten about as the women will let themselves be led by the man who takes liberties with her. More than a few times I’ve used that to get rid of the boyfriend or orbiter. The women don’t seem to mind in the least.

    I love seeing how people are surprised by what most men, at least the successful ones, have known and used for years.

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    • on September 10, 2014 at 7:52 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      ” If you are touching them in a familiar way, they see it as what you do and don’t worry about it.”
      That’s the case with everything. I have a friend who while in college sexualized everything that could be sexualized in conversations(in a funny way, not a virgin idiot way). The reaction of all the girls was along the lines: “oh, that’s just how X is”.

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  18. on September 10, 2014 at 7:17 pm gunslingergregi

    course too people trying to develop one set of rules to apply to people
    but people are different
    so different rules apply
    had a bitch spit my cum on the hardwood floor today and slurp it up
    not everyone gonna wanna do that

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  19. on September 10, 2014 at 7:57 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

    An interesting thing I noticed now. Due to a lack of sleep, I’ve been listening to music that came out in the last 10 years in my country and in most songs where the singer plays the sheepish beta, the woman cheats on him with a bad boy. lol

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  20. Eating gelatin will change your life? Everything that enters your gut is broken down to basic components. Complex substances are dissolved into simple amino acids and sugars before they are absorbed into your bloodstream. Then they must pass thru your liver, which hates frilly molecules utterly and will rip them apart without mercy. My advice is to spend your food money on wild caught ocean fish and washed young spinach leaves / with a hint of garlic and thyme.
    I know more about what happened to J. Rivers than I am comfortable with. Sometimes the system breaks down.

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    • Fish is indeed among the best you can eat. Still, it’s boring to eat as much fish as we should. But one reason the Japanese live so long could be that they consume so much fish and green tea.

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  21. Hey heartiste, how do you game chicks 9 month’s pregnant? I suppose the answer is surround her with nurses.

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  22. Questions are awkward. Questioning shows doubt. Doubt leads to hesitation. To hesitate is to fear. Fear is weakness. Weakness is repulsive.
    Be unwavering in your confidence. Confidence shows strength. Strength leads to action. Action leads to results. Results lead to success. Success is attractive.
    Be strong.

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  23. @CH this is off topic but maybe you could touch in it.

    Is there any hope for those somewhat young guys who move back in with their parents?

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  24. As a creepy recluse loser with a frump wife, I wonder why you felt some need to kick a man while he’s down. I know what I am. I’ve been trying to fix it, and it ain’t easy.

    On the bright side, I actually touched a girl today. It was only a handshake, but a handshake involves touching. I got rejected by a girl who gave me a lecture on why it’s bad to hit on girls.

    I’m pretty pleased with how that went. She was giving me a ration of shit, and I I was like “Please. If you want to find out what it feels like to be ‘just a person’ then go gain 200 pounds and see how many guys are doing you favors.”

    I was calm and dismissive of her silly opinions, not whiny and butthurt. I held frame.

    I have to figure out how to do that more often, and now that I’ve done it once, I feel more confident about next time.

    It’s about FUCKING TIME, isn’t it folks?

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    • The first step is the hardest. But proud. Most men don’t even take it.

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    • She wants to be seen as “just a person”? As someone wrote in another post, to be a sex object beats being just a person any day.

      We can modify this statement up and down, but what I like with the manosphere is that you can say things like this, thoughts that lead in a new direction, without feminists and their white knights attacking you, like they would in every other forum – health forums, political forums both Left and Right, sports forums, everywhere. And of course at work, college and everywhere else.

      The manosphere is like a flamethrower lighting the way through pitch-black academic halls: The fire may not always cook your dinner just right, but you’ll like the results anyway.

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    • on September 11, 2014 at 8:37 am having a bad day

      @troubadour

      “As a creepy recluse loser with a frump wife, I wonder why you felt some need to kick a man while he’s down. I know what I am. I’ve been trying to fix it, and it ain’t easy.”

      good job! props on putting in the effort…you’re closer than you think…lol…

      “On the bright side, I actually touched a girl today. It was only a handshake, but a handshake involves touching. I got rejected by a girl who gave me a lecture on why it’s bad to hit on girls.”

      in case you didn’t realize it, this was a shit test = IOI = opportunity to get some…lol…girls don’t lecture guys they are dismissive of…lol…

      “I’m pretty pleased with how that went. She was giving me a ration of shit, and I I was like “Please. If you want to find out what it feels like to be ‘just a person’ then go gain 200 pounds and see how many guys are doing you favors.””

      keep that frame control and your next step is ‘agree and amplify’…

      “I was calm and dismissive of her silly opinions, not whiny and butthurt. I held frame.”

      good job…practice your smirk…lol…

      “I have to figure out how to do that more often, and now that I’ve done it once, I feel more confident about next time.

      It’s about FUCKING TIME, isn’t it folks?”

      it takes a while to let go of feminine imperative indoctrination…props on practicing and getting better…

      good luck!

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      • on September 11, 2014 at 8:39 am having a bad day

        @troubadour

        …also, stop with the ‘creepy recluse loser with a frump wife’ self-talk…seriously…

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      • Yeah, if a woman started lecturing me, I’d just backturn as soon as the shock wore off without even saying “Have a nice day.” It shows higher status than A&A. You can always reapproach and ask her if she’s had a chance to take her “nice” pills yet.

        That’s the dominance DHV play. Better to get her submissive before worrying about tingles and comfort.

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      • I know what I am. I’ve been trying to fix it, and it ain’t easy.”
        ———————————————————————————–

        I love the smell of black man telling the truth in the morning; it smells like victory.

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      • +1 for HABD

        Erase negative tags on yourself and accomplishments. It will show even if you don’t voice them out loud and kill your frame.

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    • I understand touch shyness. If I’m not in bird dog mode, I have touch shyness.

      Try approaching a woman who has a cell out and is looking at it, touch her arm briefly, and ask the time. Do this a few times to get comfortable doing it.

      After you ask for the time, try borrowing a pen, then start making up a story about what her pen says about her personality. Do this a few times so you can do it comfortably.

      Gamer’s Pen Game

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  25. A careful reading of the study reveals the real secret: the researchers got a young Confederate to do the approaches. Southern Man FTW!

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  26. Woman divorces husband for being “too nice”

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  27. Beta of The Year, unless “Tony” is fake and Dear Abby makes up letters from readers.

    A woman writes that she got pregnant with a man of another race, and her fiance Tony already knows this and pledged to still marry her and raise the child. While races aren’t described, we can imagine who is what.

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    • Dear Abby and all the rest make up letters, that’s a given. Same as NYT faked the “man in the street” comments when they started with them. They just used their own employees and their family members to pose as “man in the street” and say the things they wanted people to think was the general opinion.

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  28. This little-known blogger knocks another one out of the park:

    http://deconstructingleftism.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/disgust/

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    • thx for the link. i’ll add it to the CH blogroll. skimming through some of his/her (probably his) older posts, it appears vintage CH themes about the sexual market are amply represented. imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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      • It’s he. He’s posted a photo of himself once (can’t see the face) and occasionally posted autobiographical material. Sounds like a good guy.

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  29. Government funds $3-million study on why lesbians are fat …….

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  30. What did Ray Rice say when he first saw Janay Palmer? “I’d hit that!”

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  31. […] Touch — aka “kino” in the pickup artist lingo — is a powerful courtship tactic that increases women’s compliance to men’s requests. Previous research has shown that light tactile contact increases compliance to a wide variety of requests.  […]

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    • Well that’s dumb. Why do you include that picture in your feed for this CH post? The picture was posted by Sentient in the thread, it has nothing to do with CH’s post.

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  32. > This study also found that manipulated dominance enhanced only a male’s sexual attractiveness and not his general likability.

    So much for being a nice guy as a prerequisite for intimacy.

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