The Incredible Pull Of Alpha Males

What an alpha male can get away with:

A former Senator and vice-presidential candidate [John Edwards] misused campaign contributions and money pledged to fight poverty so he could bring his mistress on the campaign trail with him during the presidential campaign where he was constantly making appearances with his widely admired cancer stricken wife then fathered the mistress’s child sometime around the time he was getting a Father Of The Year Award and then asked his loyal aid who already has a wife and kids to falsely claim paternity while the fake dad and the mistress were funneled money so they could move to be near the mistress’s psychic healer friend while the former candidate continued to meet the mistress and baby until he was caught by tabloid reporters and hid in the bathroom and then confessed on national TV a couple of weeks later but both he and his wife continued to lie during that interview and in subsequent statements.

What a beta male can get away with:

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Any questions?

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Morality is elastic — the nature of the sinner matters. No surprise that his own wife lies for him. One wonders why there isn’t a separate ten commandments for alpha males?

The article from which the quote above was taken makes this prediction:

Elizabeth Splits : Elizabeth Edwards helped her husband lie to press and public about his affair so it’s hard to be shocked that he continued to lie to her about the affair, really. But how much can Elizabeth take? The People magazine story is step one in the almost inevitable process of Elizabeth Edwards having to make some kind of move away from John. Could be a separation, could be more statements about her shock and disappointment at new revelations. Either way, somethings got to give.

The Hilary Clinton Syndrome. How much can Elizabeth the Sad Sad Cancer Stricken Alpha Male Alibi take? Oh, I bet she can… and will… take a whole fucking lot. A giant steaming load of shit in her face over and over and over, and she will smile and suck it up until either the media avalanche forces her to concede or the bastard kid grows up and comes knocking on her door looking a lot like daddy and bedecked in lawyersuit chic and a pompadoured twinkly-eyed slimy smile to sue the holy living hell out of her family for child support backpayments because, you see, John Edwards Alpha Male is a worthy man. Worthy enough for her to stoically suffer in humiliation.

If she’s lucky, she’ll have succumbed to the cancer before that happens.

You don’t like that I say this? It gets your panties in a wad? Fuck you and your misplaced empathy. Fuck you and your phonyfuck indignation. Especially fuck you and your happy sappy shifting morality hands across humanity meek shall inherit the karmic magical moral comeuppance excuse mongering rationalizing hypocritical there but for the grace of no one but myself go I virtue on the cheap fantasyland pissant pawn of your selfish gene replicating cog in the bloodsoaked gears of the amoral universal machine bullshit. Stare into the gaping maw of the id monster motherfuckers because I am rubbing your face in its hot stinking breath.

John Edwards’ wife lies for him knowing he was fucking and impregnating a new age whore while she lay in a hospital bed with cancer.

Somewhere in America a dutiful beta husband was just served divorce papers and subsequent financial ruin for no reason he can discern except that he didn’t excite his wife’s loins anymore.

People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.
Because I know the score.
And you should too.





Comments


  1. Don’t worry, the betas have a plan. It’s not an original plan, but it’s a plan that’s worked in the past.

    We wage a systematic, organized, and well planned out war on the alphas. Alliances of beta men > single or small groups of alphas. The sudden violence will instill great fear in dim bitches and they will suddenly need a beta to protect them. Thus the betas shall inherit the earth.

    /end tongue in cheek

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  2. Roissy, do you consider yourself a Beta or an Alpha?

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  3. Roissy, do you consider yourself a Beta or an Alpha?

    i am the lizard king i can do anything.

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  4. on August 19, 2008 at 6:57 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Points well taken, but you’re leaving out one very very very important thing here. And I think this keeps him from being Alpha.

    Neither of these women are even reomtely attractive. I’ll give Elizabeth a break, because she’s old and ill, but Rillie Hunter is just plain odd looking — her chin could cut glass, for example. Plus, both of these women are over 40.

    So, we have John Edwards with two olde, unattractive women and a ruined political career. This sounds like a Beta loser to me, at least with women.

    In fact, this sounds like Prince Charles behavior. If you’re gonna have an affair and ruin your marriage and public image, maybe you should at least have the affair with a young cutie?

    Instead he chose odd-looking, new-age-spouting, former-drug-addled 44-year-old Riellie Hunter who APPARENTLY MANIPULATED HIM into getting her pregnant!!

    Beta.

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  5. Somewhere in America a dutiful beta husband was just served divorce papers and subsequent financial ruin for no reason he can discern except that he didn’t excite his wife’s loins anymore.

    I kow a guy like that. He hurled his keys at his separated wife’s boyfriend’s car as they were both driving away.

    He was convicted on felony assault. Lost his job as a manager and can’t find anything else due to his criminal conviction.

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  6. Exactly–not only what you said, but the way you said it.

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  7. It’s worth noting that Edwards nailed a 40-something woman despite presumably having access to all the hott young trim he could handle. Sorta flies in the face of conventional blogospheric wisdom, under which all women turn into dried-out, barren old harridans at age 30.

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  8. Do you really admire John Edwards’ alpha-ness? Do you seriously believe that he still excites his wife’s loins? Do you think that she’s really lying out of her complete adoration and love for her “alpha” husband, and not some other motive altogether?

    My husband and I had discussed the Edwards/McCain affairs. We both already knew Edwards was a seedy, greasy, car-salesman-like politician before this all went public. But we’re not going to moralize about their actions. There is no point. Absolute faithfulness within “monogamy” has never really been part of the human behavioral landscape.

    The id is controlled by the prefrontal cortex. Those who do not have good development of their frontal lobes are de facto children. Feel free to glorify the id monster, but consider the possibility that it is the same source of selfishness that leads many women to divorce their “beta husbands” and take them to the cleaners.

    On the one hand, you lambaste the injustice of divorce theft. On the other hand, you preach that inequality is inevitable. So is your mantra really that life is unfair, but let’s make it fairer? Or, make it fairer to yourself than to others?

    P.S. The id has a death wish:

    The mind of a newborn child is regarded as completely “id-ridden”, in the sense that it is a mass of instinctive drives and impulses, and demands immediate satisfaction. This view equates a newborn child with an id-ridden individual—often humorously—with this analogy: an alimentary tract with no sense of responsibility at either end.

    The id is responsible for our basic drives such as food, sex, and aggressive impulses. It is amoral and egocentric, ruled by the pleasure–pain principle; it is without a sense of time, completely illogical, primarily sexual, infantile in its emotional development, and will not take “no” for an answer. It is regarded as the reservoir of the libido or “love energy”.

    Freud divided the id’s drives and instincts into two categories: life and death instincts—the latter not so usually regarded because Freud thought of it later in his lifetime. Life instincts are those that are crucial to pleasurable survival, such as eating and copulation. Death instincts, as stated by Freud, are our unconscious wish to die, as death puts an end to the everyday struggles for happiness and survival. Freud noticed the death instinct in our desire for peace and attempts to escape reality through fiction, media, and substances such as alcohol and drugs. It also indirectly represents itself through aggression.

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  9. I’ve once broken up with a girl in a way that devastated her. She even ended up stalking me for a while, suicide threats, emails, etc.

    While I’ve never been on the receiving end of a woman’s wanton and destructive abuse for stopping to excite her loins, I’ve seen it happen too many times.

    Conclusion: when men dump women, we generally don’t wish them ill. We just want them gone. When a woman dumps a man, she will destroy him, if she can.

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  10. >>He was convicted on felony assault. Lost his job as a manager and can’t find anything else due to his criminal conviction.

    That’s fucked up beyond words

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  11. that was one of the most incredible rants i have ever seen. congrats.

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  12. Does Rielle Hunter have a thick, rich, luxurious Glorious Natural Pelt?

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  13. I agree with your assessment of Alpha males – I think that as an alpha male, you can get away with things that are completely against the rules, yet people love you for it.

    Men like Hemmingway, Buckowski, Errol Flynn, even Pete Doherty have shown that you can truly give the middle finger to society and have people love you for it.

    Hell, I do that all the time.

    But John Edwards is not that man – he’s a narcissistic pretty boy who probably got taken advantage of. The loyalty shown to him has probably been bought.

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  14. Males can get away with what other males allow them to get away with. It’s up to men to keep men in line. I’ve known greasy little jerks with no money or status who can play a bunch of girls at once (are they “alphas”?). They can keep this up until they cross the wrong guy.

    Unfortunately, I think the feminization of American men along with the masculinization of women has made it difficult for men to enforce any sort of a code amongst themselves. In a sense, I think most men have given up trying. It is a sort of mental slavery we’ve succumbed to.

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  15. Grim — that Plan came to Fruition in Pitcairn Island. Result? All but one man killed off in murders.

    More seriously, Alpha dominated societies are not stable. Among other things societies that prevent that domination by controlling Alphas (and the inevitable dynasties) tend to obliterate Alpha dominated (as opposed to led) societies. Think Republican Rome rolling over Carthage, or the barbarians rolling over decadent imperial Rome.

    That Edwards ain’t toast is a symptom of how bad off this society is, given it’s domination by women+Alphas.

    However, Elizabeth Edwards (and her childrens) public humiliation and betrayal are Exhibit A for why women must choose their husbands carefully. Not just on Alphaness.

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  16. Roissy rant

    I see you haven’t been laid recently. Your curse filled rant is laced with beta bitterness. 🙂

    Somewhere in America a dutiful beta husband was just served divorce papers and subsequent financial ruin for no reason he can discern except that he didn’t excite his wife’s loins anymore.

    In theory, it’s better that she leave him financially ruined, but free to have sex than stuck in marriage where they’re not having sex and he can’t cheat. Besides, your money is still flowing into the wife and children regardless.

    Roissy, the solution to divorce is not restrict it and eliminate no fault. While removing no fault may chase some women away from dubious marriages, it doesn’t solve the fact that the female will age, have children, and all sexual interest and appeal will decline and turn into dried ashes. The only way that any man can have consistently great sex from a women is only from short-term sexually-charged relationships.

    People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.

    I act in my own self-interest by not dating or attracting women, and by using pornography as a sexual aid.

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  17. on August 19, 2008 at 7:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Seems like it welmer. Like when the judge completely fucks up a dudes life and feel no remorse per their words. Guys just seem to be taking it up the ass with no response. The walking dead basically.

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  18. on August 19, 2008 at 7:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    pa
    “I kow a guy like that. He hurled his keys at his separated wife’s boyfriend’s car as they were both driving away.

    He was convicted on felony assault. Lost his job as a manager and can’t find anything else due to his criminal conviction.

    He should sacrifice himself for the good of the rest. Wow we are going to need to become muslims to beat this. Oh wait maybe that’s what is wanted. Permanent warfare.

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  19. on August 19, 2008 at 7:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hopefully russia will launch some nukes then we can and that will end the lunacy that this shit has become.

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  20. BTW, I’ll add that a poor divorced guy can learn game, and can use it to bang women. If Roosh’s unemployed Iranian ass can bang women despite living at home, I suspect an employed divorced guy can do pretty well for himself too.

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  21. Fun Question: What sex and ethnic groups compose the bulk of divorce lawyers and family court judges…

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  22. A colleague pointed out that pic of Bush slapping the beach volleyball player’s ass “for luck.” He said to me “If we even discussed this it’d be a disciplinary. ”

    At a magazine company I pointed out that the “no harassment” codes seemed especially stringent. You couldn’t risk speaking to a female in the elevator.

    “That’s just to stop them being hassled by losers like us” he said. “Doesn’t apply to the high command”.

    Breathtakingly good piece Roissy. Thanks for helping the scales fall away.

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  23. the first time i got caught cheating by two girls at the same time, and they each told me to choose over the other….I wrote it off as an anomaly (I was young in the game)…the 2nd time I got caught cheating/having two relationships concurrently for 9 months……I realized that if you act and do and are an alpha male, the definition/limitations of your behavior are far less narrow.

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  24. DA stayed true to form:
    I see you haven’t been laid recently. Your curse filled rant is laced with beta bitterness.

    it’s funny how betas like to assume a riproaring display of testosterone is indicative of the same loser stench they themselves waft pigpen-like. looking back, i see no correlation between the ferocity of my posts and my sexual satisfaction. if anything, my more aggro posts usually follow close on the heels of some very fine fucking.
    must be the feeling of invincibility.

    In theory, it’s better that she leave him financially ruined, but free to have sex than stuck in marriage where they’re not having sex and he can’t cheat.

    you know what’s even better? being free to have sex and keeping your money.

    While removing no fault may chase some women away from dubious marriages, it doesn’t solve the fact that the female will age, have children, and all sexual interest and appeal will decline and turn into dried ashes.

    fault divorce will make the husband liable for sticking with his aging wife and supporting her through the down years. so in that sense, it does solve the problem of ex-wives aging alone and stuck with kids to raise.

    The only way that any man can have consistently great sex from a women is only from short-term sexually-charged relationships.

    you don’t get out much, do you?

    I act in my own self-interest by not dating or attracting women, and by using pornography as a sexual aid.

    no you don’t. you act out of fear.

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  25. on August 19, 2008 at 8:22 pm Usually Lurking

    Males can get away with what other males allow them to get away with. It’s up to men to keep men in line.

    That is absolutely right. If Edwards knew, for a fact, that his wife’s brothers and uncles would go ape-shit on him with tire irons, he would absolutely stay in line.

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  26. If things are as bad for so many divorced husbands as the horror stories would indicate, how come we don’t see more/any of these men going Odishon-postal?

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  27. Possible reasons why Elizabeth Edwards might lie for her husband (besides his “alpha-ness”, which I think is questionable):
    1. She’s sick and can’t deal with the hassle: the press, the public questions, etc.
    2. If she lets people find out, she not only risks divorce, she has to take public humiliation, rather than private humiliation if she covers for him successfully.
    3. She’s invested much of her life in her husband’s political career and wants him to win an election almost as badly as he does.

    Clio

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  28. on August 19, 2008 at 8:26 pm Usually Lurking

    You couldn’t risk speaking to a female in the elevator.

    Back in the 90’s when Feminism was absolutely raging, I had a manager who absolutely refused to be in a room or elevator, alone, with a female employee. He was a classy guy that everybody liked, but, he knew the score. He had known a few guys that got burned badly.

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  29. on August 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm Usually Lurking

    The only way that any man can have consistently great sex from a women is only from short-term sexually-charged relationships.

    Wow, are you way off on this one. Flings are awesome, but, most girls, ina commited relationship, tend to get better in bed…not worse.

    They are dying to let go of inhibitions and feel free. IOW, Good Girls Love to be Bad.

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  30. In response to comments #2 & 3: betas don’t blog. End of story.

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  31. You don’t like that I say this? It gets your panties in a wad? Fuck you and your misplaced empathy. Fuck you and your phonyfuck indignation. Especially fuck you and your happy sappy shifting morality hands across humanity meek shall inherit the karmic magical moral comeuppance excuse mongering rationalizing hypocritical there but for the grace of no one but myself go I virtue on the cheap fantasyland pissant pawn of your selfish gene replicating cog in the bloodsoaked gears of the amoral universal machine bullshit. Stare into the gaping maw of the id monster motherfuckers because I am rubbing your face in its hot stinking breath.

    Where pretty lies perish, indeed.

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  32. it’s funny how betas like to assume a riproaring display of testosterone is indicative of the same loser stench they themselves waft pigpen-like

    Yeah, such displays of testosterone do come across as highly boorish and trashy. Mind you, as an oreo, I couched myself as different from the “overly aggressive, testosterone filled” so-called average black male in order to curry favour with mainstream society.

    if anything, my more aggro posts usually follow close on the heels of some very fine fucking.

    In contrast, my masturbation sessions leave me in a mellow mood with little anger and hatred.

    you know what’s even better? being free to have sex and keeping your money.

    I’ve been saying that for three weeks. It’s called not getting married, and fucking women left and right in exclusively short-term relationships.

    you don’t get out much, do you?

    Yeah, I do. It’s pretty obvious that long-term relationship sex is miserable. Just look at all the betas who complain about, and the alphas who avoid it like the plague. Most of my male friends have consistently complained about their long-term girlfriends and their lack of sex, and they have nothing but good things to say about fucking their short-term relationships.

    no you don’t. you act out of fear.

    I’m used to girls saying no and fuck off from the dirty looks I get from women of all races. It’s annoying and depressing, but eventually you do get used to it. So, it’s not fear, but it’s simply an acknowledgment that chasing women is a waste of time, money, and energy.

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  33. the Alphas do what they can, while the Betas suffer what they must, right?

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  34. on August 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Guys are apparently learning at a fast rate though on the marriage thing. Pretty soon it looks like all kids will be born out of wedlock and the only people getting married will be gay. Someone probably got scared shitless when they saw the numbers and said let gays marry as much as they want to help the numbers.

    number of marriages per year in US

    2,230,000

    Number of divorces per year in US

    2,664,000

    That is 434000 more divorces per year than marriages.

    Not going to take that long to have everyone single and alone. Then when they get old what do they have to show? Oh look my career but at 49 they where already fired “layed off” from that.

    From North Carolina family council:
    “The percentage of U.S. households made up of married couples has declined slightly in the past five years, according to the latest data from the Census Bureau. The annual American Community Survey (ACS) found that married couples, including those with and without children, accounted for slightly less than half of the nation’s 111 million households in 2005, down from over 52 percent in 2000. ”

    So 50 million households married now. at 2 million marriages a year that 25 years of marriages. Only accounding for 27.7 percent of people in US. Marriage is in its death throes. Get ready for a lifetime of singledom ladies and gents.

    Happening in Britain too.
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/48/20080627/1247/twl-more-divorces-reduce-married-people.html

    This is us in 2003
    wonder what it looks like now.
    http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/families_households/003118.html

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  35. ROTFLOL!

    Actually, Edwards got away with nothing and behind the scenes millions are being transferred to the wife and her designees. That’s what usually happens.

    Hillary got NY’s Senate seat. Mrs. Edwards will get tangibles on the qt.

    Geez, I go away for a few days to enjoy Brazilian women and look what happens…

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  36. on August 19, 2008 at 8:47 pm Patrick Bateman

    People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.
    Because I know the score.
    And you should too.

    Hear hear!

    I’ve given up too much by being nice and not capitalizing on people’s weaknesses. I promise to never be merciful again.

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  37. @ 27 Clio

    I suspect all of your reasons are rather plausible and sensible. Interestingly, reason #3 is why some Democrats have turned against Mr. and Mrs. Edwards since it’s apparent that they would attempt to run for the presidency during the most important election in a generation with such a potentially campaign-crippling flaw.

    Flings are awesome, but, most girls, ina commited relationship, tend to get better in bed…not worse.

    You forgot to add the disclaimer “with alpha males”, otherwise, your statement isn’t true, and simply illustrates the futility of dealing with the awkwardness of the female sex drive…

    Besides, every guy that I know consistently complains about how sex becomes worse and less enjoyable as the relationship progresses. The only reason those idiots stay is because they “love” their girlfriends. I’d much rather have a sexless platonic friendship with no responsibilities than a sexless long-term relationship.

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  38. on August 19, 2008 at 8:51 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Hi Folks, Dr. Grzlickson here.

    I think you’ll all love my wacky antics and tomfoolery.

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  39. Lurktastic,

    Betas don’t blog? Of course they do. In fact, think almost all male bloggers are betas. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a single male that blogs who isn’t far more likely to be a beta except for the host of this one.

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  40. on August 19, 2008 at 8:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    on August 19, 2008 at 8:22 pm25 Usually Lurking
    Males can get away with what other males allow them to get away with. It’s up to men to keep men in line.

    That is absolutely right. If Edwards knew, for a fact, that his wife’s brothers and uncles would go ape-shit on him with tire irons, he would absolutely stay in line

    Allright another one to go in history book wtf too funny. apeshit with tire irons omg

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  41. on August 19, 2008 at 9:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Marriage is in its death throes pretty soon no marriages

    2,664,000 divorce per year us
    2,230,000 marriages per year us
    434,000 more divorces.

    Guys are apparently learning the ropes or woman have definetly learned the ropes. It’s just a business has the upswing then the downswing as the business collapses because it is no longer a viable option.

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  42. You don’t like that I say this? It gets your panties in a wad? Fuck you and your misplaced empathy. Fuck you and your phonyfuck indignation.

    Exactly the same thing that I say to people who get upset when I say that racial differences in IQ are responsible for childhood starvation throughout the third world. They get upset, but they’re not suffering, so have the luxury to be as idealistic and unrealistic as possible.

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  43. Guys are apparently learning the ropes or woman have definetly learned the ropes.

    No, men are slowly realizing that marriage was foolish no matter what decade. Permanent attachment to a female with decreasing sexual appeal and appetite is always FOOLISH, especially when you have to financially support her.

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  44. on August 19, 2008 at 9:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    John smith Holier than thou

    There is a difference between suffering and dieing and suffering and living.

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  45. One more point regarding alphas, related to my #3 point: you forget that in the cases you’re talking about, there’s both lots of money and public attention at stake that may keep the women at least semi-loyal to their men. Women married to famous alpha males usually love the limelight, and know that they risk losing it altogether if they leave. Even a big divorce settlement doesn’t always make up for that.

    Would an alpha who was neither rich nor famous be able to hold on to his wife after humiliating her with an affair? In some cases, yes. In others, no.

    Rumour has it that Jacqueline Kennedy came close to divorcing her alpha husband but was bribed into staying by her father-in-law; money clearly influenced her but her husband’s alpha magnetism doesn’t seem to have been a factor.

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  46. on August 19, 2008 at 9:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Does that child really need to grow up and be a starving adult or is it better to have it die. Notice you didn’t say the poor starving adults. Once the child gets older no one goves a shit. It might as well die young then so at least somone can feel better or like they care.

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  47. when I say that racial differences in IQ are responsible for childhood starvation throughout the third world

    So what’s your magical solution besides letting them starve which seems to be the default answer…

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  48. I’ve once broken up with a girl in a way that devastated her. She even ended up stalking me for a while, suicide threats, emails, etc.

    You must have loved the attention. I sure did.

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  49. Eliot Spitzer looks good compared to Edwards.

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  50. @27 Clio:

    Yes, these wives marry these men knowing exactly what they are. EE could not have been confused by the man she walked down to the aisle toward. She stood by him through his lying trial lawyer ambulance chasing. She stood by him during his plastic political races. She knows she’s spent decades of her life with a man who fills her needs for what a husband should be. She’s probably as ambitious through and for him as he is for himself. She’s got so much cost sunk into him, she’s caught. There’s a name for it in accounting finance: how people get caught with white elephant investments that they can’t just cut loose. They’ve got to go down with the ship, ’cause they’re fused at the hip. They stand by the man out of utter selfish self-interest, and for no other reason.

    Silda Spitzer’s the same. She knew what Elliot was for years. Her investment blew up. Too bad. No one made her marry him. If he’d been commandant at Auschwitz she would have stood by him as loyally as she did to the whoremongering moralizer, Idiot Spritzer, the dick that walked like a boy and paid like a bookkeeper.

    These women are as cold-blooded, amoral and utterly selfish as the rotten, nano-souled homunculi with whom they have become “one flesh”.

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  51. on August 19, 2008 at 9:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dave
    In 970 indo did not produce enough food for their people. Now they do. Not magic just need farming. Pretty simple shit.

    ! hectare of land can feed a lot of people. Why I am so intrigued by the place. Almost all we have thought and been told is bs.

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  52. on August 19, 2008 at 9:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    To add to the marriage dilema video games keep getting better. Guys will see woman as a fantasy but when they get the real thing it will prob get in the way of their gaming.

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  53. @8 Hope:

    Yes! These guys aren’t alphas. They haven’t gotten away with it (well, McCain has, but I consider him a genuine alpha). Edward’s career is over. My Lord, even the uber-alpha Bill Clinton was effectively finished by his philandering. His “legacy” is and will remain Monica on her knees in the Oval Office, and a stain on a blue dress. Otherwise, he’s forgotten. Does anyone think his destructive effect on Hill’s campaign wasn’t affected by the memory of Monica’s gaping maw and her Big White Teeth and what the meaning of “is” is?

    And Hillary is of course the exemplar of the wife who stands by her man (for selfish reasons only), and pays the price anyway. So much for alphas and their mates getting away with it. These pseudo-alphas aren’t getting away with shit. Roissy’s wrong.

    As for the beta guy with the thrown keys, there are 99 betas like him for every alpha. Any conceivable society will have far more betas than alphas. That society will be civilized if it is able to recruit and reward beta males. If even a substantial minority of beta males tried to put Roissy’s advice into effect, we’d be reduced to sub-Saharan Africa in six weeks. Competition for alpha-hood is inherently self-defeating.

    There’s got to be a better way. It could almost be stated as a rule:

    A society will be civilized, creative, productive, free, and just based on the way it treats its beta males.

    The question is: how the fuck do we get from today’s evil nothingness to that just society? Roissy’s way is to accept the evil, and work around it and with it. Fair enough. If you have no faith that there is a better way, it’s better to ejaculate lots of cum into the face of the void, that let your little spermies die suffocating on your chest each night. The meaning of life: The Existentialist Money Shot!

    Sigh. I just hope to God there is a better way. If Roissy’s right, I begin to feel the urge to eat a pistol. Oh for the long lost innocent faith of my youth! Come back to me hope and love and charity! I need you! I don’t want to think that the only thing the universe can give me is a string of warm wet cavities in which to release my semen.

    There’s got to be more to life than that. Please God, let there be more to life than that.

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  54. “than let your little…” instead of “…that let your little…”

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  55. Any guy lame enough to let some chick end his chances to be President isn’t an alpha, sounds like a pussy whipped beta or gamma to me. As president his volume of ass would have gone up exponentially – just ask Bill Clinton.

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  56. There’s got to be more to life than that. Please God, let there be more to life than that.

    Take a look at this.

    We can either marvel at the beauty of the vast universe or despair at our utter insignificance on bigger time and matter scales.

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  57. […] The Incredible Pull Of Alpha Males You don’t like that I say this? It gets your panties in a wad? Fuck you and your misplaced empathy. Fuck you and your phonyfuck indignation. Especially fuck you and your happy sappy shifting morality hands across humanity meek shall inherit the karmic magical moral comeuppance excuse mongering rationalizing hypocritical there but for the grace of no one but myself go I virtue on the cheap fantasyland pissant pawn of your selfish gene replicating cog in the bloodsoaked gears of the amoral universal machine bullshit. Stare into the gaping maw of the id monster motherfuckers because I am rubbing your face in its hot stinking breath. […]

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  58. I think most of the posters on this thread must be young and idealistic. They just think they are cynical. They are not.

    Us oldsters know that this behavior (Edwards’) is no big deal. So, Edwards has a younger girlfriend and a new child. “Big deal”, his wife must be saying. “How does that hurt me? Not at all. He”s still my husband. I know I am no great companion in bed these days, considering my medical condition. Why should I deny John sex? Thank goodness he wasn’t fooling around with a really young woman. He has mature, good taste. She’s just the other woman with child. My, how the neighbors are talking. Why don’t they just be quiet. One thing is for sure. When I am dead I won’t care one bit about this fuss.”

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  59. Jaysus! That truth was so concentrated, it could have been in pill form!

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  60. to explain Elizabeth’s actions:

    “Maternal Instinct”.

    She’s a dead woman walking. She lies and props up her husband because it is in the best interests of her three children. What good can come for her children to be alienated and despise their father?

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  61. on August 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    patrickh

    Look around you at peoples lives there really is not that much to life. Born grow up go to school go to work have kids maybe do good do bad die. Why people need a supernatural being and life after death for the strength to make it through till natural death.

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  62. come on girl
    let’s sneak out of this party
    it’s getting boring
    there’s more to life than this

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  63. @60 Gunslinergei:

    I hope you’re wrong. I hope Roissy’s wrong. I’m afraid you both are right. It’s just a depressing prospect, is all.

    Oh, and Hope (accurate nick, darling!), thanks for the vista. Is there anything behind that vastness? I hope so, Hope. I do hope it. I just doubt it, though. Lots of space, lots of time, lots of atoms, hurrying, hurrying. And none of it with any place to go.

    Sigh.

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  64. on August 19, 2008 at 11:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Coming to that conclusion though it still has to be better to try to play the game if you are stuck here. If morals don’t hold you probably no reason to stay. People stop playing games after a certain amount of times even olympic athletes. I guess you can play different versions of life it just is always under the same rules like playing a 60 year game who the fuck does that yet most people are expected to want to plod through 60 to 70 years of life.

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  65. I think Roissy could write a great book plotted on several intertwining modern relationships from a social research angle with Tom Wolfian thought narration for each character, revealing their TRUE UGLY motivations with his writing abilities.

    That rant really was a thing of beauty and unfortunately is very true. I wish the world were made up of more nice people than it is, but it isn’t. The truly nice and fair-minded really are few and far between at this point. Even some church ladies have knives for fingernails and we all know it. Roissy is just being honest about it.

    Ive seen a pic of Roissy now, and handsome man in a masculine way. I’ll bet he cleans up at the bars. You dont always have to agree with a blogger to be enthralled by their “take” on the world. Sit back learn, he has some very interesting stuff to say.

    I love good blogs, I get so much more enjoyment out of them than that TV playing over my shoulder at the moment. The gift of internet anonymity can help people get their TRUE sentiments out there so we can learn where we stand vis-a-vis with other human beings. I wish a million women and men had to read that rant. Its utterly true. We have all forgiven lovable cads for things that we would have crucified dorks for. We are unfair animals in this regard in the extreme. We will let a pretty female get away (Debra LaFavre) with fucking a thirteen year old boy but sentence an ugly female of the same age (West Virginian case) to twenty years for the same crime. Justice and empathy are not blind, not by a long shot. The only real penalty Edwards is going to face is the loss of his political career——————–and after a few years he might be able to get that back. His entire career was based on how good he was in front of a jury (he is legendary for his ability to gain empathy from juries and he made his millions in tort law suits, especially asbestos suits or something of the kind).

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  66. Days of Broken Arrows

    I think John Edwards if alpha because of his looks,height, career acomplishments, and money. Some men really do like older women. Mind you, I agree that neither Camilla or JE’s side piece are 10s but maybe looks are not such a big deal to them since they can have the cream of the crop if they choose. Les Moonves married an older woman too, how old is Julie Chin?

    Peter said It’s worth noting that Edwards nailed a 40-something woman despite presumably having access to all the hott young trim he could handle. Sorta flies in the face of conventional blogospheric wisdom, under which all women turn into dried-out, barren old harridans at age 30.
    and
    welmer said: I’ve known greasy little jerks with no money or status who can play a bunch of girls at once (are they “alphas”?). They can keep this up until they cross the wrong guy

    I agree with both of you.

    whiskey said:However, Elizabeth Edwards (and her childrens) public humiliation and betrayal are Exhibit A for why women must choose their husbands carefully. Not just on Alphaness

    Excellent point.

    tenmagnet- Don’t hate JE’s because of his good looks

    DA saidIf Roosh’s unemployed Iranian ass can bang women despite living at home
    Why bring his ethnicity in???

    Fred Kite-George Bush has a problem with his hands when it comes to women. Remember the video of him giving an unwanted massage to German Chancellor Angela Murkell(tp)?

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  67. Usually Lurking
    Males can get away with what other males allow them to get away with. It’s up to men to keep men in line.

    That is absolutely right. If Edwards knew, for a fact, that his wife’s brothers and uncles would go ape-shit on him with tire irons, he would absolutely stay in line.

    I agree, there are a few families who still operate like this.
    clio comment27- I agree with all of your reasons.

    BTW, I don’t think JE should lose his career in politics because of his affair.

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  68. #58 Joel

    You are so right on.

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  69. Theory: Elizabeth Edwards might have consented to her husband’s affair, as she didn’t feel physically capable of having sex and didn’t want to deny him some pleasure. Stranger things have happened.

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  70. Peter 68 —

    I think it’s likely.

    She probably has zero sexual drive. That’s likely been going on for quite a while but certainly for the last couple of years. Not only was and is she undergoing chronic treatment for uncurable cancer that’s killing her at some rate of speed, and taking anti-estrogen drugs as part of that regimine, she’s also one year shy of 60 and hence way past menopause. Edwards in contrast is 4 years younger and very very fit and youthful for his age – more like a fit mid 40 yo. An almost certain enormous gulp in sexual desire at this point, in other words.

    Edwards also didn’t seem to in any way have emotionally abandon her. They seemed to have a very close and loving relationship.

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  71. @Hope-

    I had the same exact feelings about Edwards-he was so obviously opportunistic and slimy. Other people did not seem to notice this, but i couldn’t even listen to him talk, or even look at him.

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  72. Joel 58.

    I agree with you, more or less. See my preceding comment too.

    EE is being humiliated primarily by the media – and by general public opinion in this feminist indoctrinated age. It was all supposed to be kept quiet.

    But whether pre media meltdown it was a really bitter pill for her to swallow or not so much and with compensations, depends a whole hell of a lot on how Edwards handled it with her. If he remained or became more genuinely caring and loving towards his wife, out of graititude for her generosity among other things, there could be real upside. He would have had to make her really secure that he wasn’t going to leave her including emotionally.

    If on the other hand he became so out of control infatuated/in love with Reilly Hunter (and she’s quite a woman of a certain high end ex party girl and muse and rather femme fatale sort — it’s worth looking her up) that he stopped flowing love to his wife, then that’s a different and much tougher thing.

    Of course it would take an extraordiary woman in today’s American cultural climate to see things this way. Though not remotely so impossible for someone older as so many here seem to sure of. It is going upstream against VERY strong cultural currents here and now though.

    Would be that way all in France and isn’t. Or in Italy or Germany etc.

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  73. Hope 8 —

    I never liked Edwards the man either. Not from the get go. For pretty much the same reasons you give.

    But that doesn’t mean I don’t think he had a genuinely close and loving relationship with his wife. You never know if it is good when it looks good (and this event doesn’t tell us either) but it sure smelled like he did. Still does, to me. Maybe more so, in a way.

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  74. My comment reads a lot better when I post it correctly: Alphas don’t blog. However, like a joke, it never really works the second time.

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  75. [email protected]#8,

    What you are alluding to is more about the ability to delay gratification, something that has been studied in kids, starting with the now famous Marshmallow Experiment.
    Freud really was a pioneer in neuroscience, but there is a lot more current research that captures our psychology better (than his writings and analysis). The pre-frontal cortex does play a pivotal role in planning, but its development has nothing do with more fundamental selfishness. Planned selfishness leads to a more dangerous deviousness. Edwards or these other deliberately divorced women are nothing like Phineas Gage. If anything, they are using their rather substantial pre-frontal cortices in folding addictive transgressions into their routines.

    Kinda off the current topic, but still topical for the commentariat here: This Simpsons episode
    I guess, most here would argue that the naiveties of the nineties didn’t end, and the winged fantasies of women didn’t end with college either…

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  76. Sorry, just illegible volume of typos etc. Make that:

    Of course it would take an extraordinary woman in today’s American cultural climate to see things this way. Though not remotely so impossible for someone older, despite so many here being sure of. Permission and acceptance by EE would be going upstream against VERY strong cultural currents here and now though.

    The cultural currents aren’t nearly the same in France, if it was handled right (discretion and esp. if he continued to be caring.) Or in Italy or Germany etc.

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  77. on August 20, 2008 at 5:06 am Lawful Neutral

    Yep, different rules apply depending on status and attractiveness, no question.

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  78. Quote David Alexander:
    In contrast, my masturbation sessions leave me in a mellow mood with little anger and hatred.

    I guess Yoda must have stock in Jergins. You know why you have little anger and hatred? Because you are r-e-s-i-g-n-e-d. When I used to jerk off on Saturday night and then when I realized that girl I had the crush on was getting her ass pounded, I was not feeling mellow. But some people take that anger and change. Roissy’s shit is right about the relative morality thing. It’s the same thing, you can get mad about it or you can change from it.

    But go ahead, it’s easier to deny all of this, to tell yourself you can’t change, because if you had to admit that you could change, that would be like admitting that everything you knew was wrong, that you’ve been wasting your time. Because if you could improve; that must mean you don’t like yourself and who wants to admit that? Don’t worry, the Great Pumpkin, I mean Sexbot, will save you.

    And another thing; this bullshit about all your friends and bad long term relationship sex. Do you honestly believe the experiences of your peer group equal truth? If all of your friends play Warcraft, does this mean everyone plays Warcraft?

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  79. Days of Broken Arrows wrote:

    “If you’re gonna have an affair and ruin your marriage and public image, maybe you should at least have the affair with a young cutie?”

    Alpha males choose according to their own personal fetishes, not mainstream media standards. That’s a key difference between Alphas and betas. Alphas could give a flying fart what the rest of you think. They’re not shagging women who make Gay fashion designers’ dicks hard (because they look like transvestites on heroin).

    …and Clio, there’s another possibility that some people seem to me missing…

    Alpha males are often polyamorous, and honest with their partners about it. It’s alot less pubic hassle for them to deal with this as an infidelity issue than a polyamory issue.

    Because polyamory is considered a freaky orientation issue, much like being Gay, it is more permanent than an “affair”, and would mark him as abnormal. “Cheating” however, is considered more normal.

    When I looked at how things played out, it was obvious to me that these are a network of polyamorous people. When you’re a rich freak, you can do whatever you want.

    What’s a bit funny to me is that every time a scandal like this starts to snowball, very few consider that maybe everyone involved consented to and encouraged what was going on, not because they were selfish, but because they know the difference between love and sex….between monogamy and real commitment.

    Alpha people are on a different wavelength from betas, and this is why they “get away with” what they do…because their morality is based on something real that is sustained by Nature itself, and betas’ morality is based on rules made to give the weakest the same privileges as the strongest, and then label them as “rights”.

    There’s nothing wrong with acting in one’s own self interests so long as one recognizes the reality that one’s rights end where another’s begin. Betas typically have a problem with this because they’re dependent on systems that allow them the benefits of an artificial status.

    I realized all this in my teens when I crushed the so-called “in crowd”. A strong person doesn’t need to abide the institutions that coddle the weak.

    So in my opinion, if it is as I suspect, that John Edwards was involved in a consensual polyamorous relationship with his wife’s approval, then it’s nobody else’s damned business. The whole lot of them can have one great big rich middle aged orgy, and I’d feel honored to join them when I’m over 40. 😉

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  80. on August 20, 2008 at 9:11 am Comment_Whatever

    The polar opposite of this rant is the dumbass who said he was surprised that ‘alphas’ stand up for women.

    As we can see, the women certainly stand up for apha.

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  81. Is this supposed to make me NOT want to marry a guy like John Edwards? “Oh my god he might cheat on me, I should marry beneath me and just guarantee that I’m miserable to be safe!” It’s not like JE abandoned her when she got sick – he stood by her and supported her. So what if he went out and got some on the side when she wasn’t up to it? I still think she got a deal.

    Scandal and all, she probably still made out better marrying John than she would have married to some fat, balding slob beta husband who worshiped the ground she walked on – only because he had no other options.

    People who are excessively nice and self-sacrificing in their personal relationships usually have little else to offer.

    EE’s kids probably inherited their father’s ambition, good looks, intelligence, wealth and passion for living. What would they have inherited from a beta father? The ability to still get out of bed every morning and not commit suicide in the face of being married to a war pig while working a soulless corporate dead end job?

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  82. on August 20, 2008 at 12:45 pm Usually Lurking

    People who are excessively nice and self-sacrificing in their personal relationships usually have little else to offer.

    Or it was preached to them that this is what they are supposed to be doing.

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  83. 87 dougjnn:

    Interesting point. EE has played the victim. It doesn’t mean she feels like one. But in America, she can’t just get up and say, “Look, I don’t care about my hubby’s dick wandering around. Men are like that. Especially powerful, ambitious successful men. The very things that attracted me to him in the first place are likely to attract other women too. He took precautions to avoid getting caught and publicly shaming me. The tabloids took care of that. Deal with it. I have. He’s a guy. Guys do that. My husband didn’t victimize me. The tabloids did. They’re the villains here. Now fuck off, and let me be with my man.”

    But American victim culture simply cannot accept that kind of performance, especially from that extra specially victimy victim class: women! The whole Oprah thing requires suffering, requires weeping (or the stiff upper lip that trembles just enough to show that tears are close). That EE knows that she simply cannot appear in any way sophisticated or understanding or intelligent about this, which she very well might be, might be precisely the reason for the high road she’s pretending to take.

    So, American pubic figures can’t come across as too smart (elitist) or too strong (not Oprah material!) or too sophisticated, especially about sex. Sigh. What a country!

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  84. Alpha males choose according to their own personal fetishes

    It would be funny if Edwards had the same fetish that I do.

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  85. on August 20, 2008 at 1:16 pm Usually Lurking

    The whole Oprah thing requires suffering, requires weeping (or the stiff upper lip that trembles just enough to show that tears are close).

    You have been dropping much knowledge lately, but that was an especially good thought.

    Victimology = PC, and PC is killing the West.

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  86. I don’t know, but I’m inclined to doubt that the Edwards marriage is either polyamorous or “sophisticated”. I do think that Elizabeth Edwards probably resigned herself to her husband’s infidelity, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

    Clio

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  87. Sorry, but I can’t agree that John Edwards is an alpha male. At best, he’s a master beta.

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  88. Peter, a preference for physically sturdy, assertive older women is far beyond a fetish. It even has its own sugar coated comic book porn category in Japan.

    It’s called “straight shota”. Google that, and God help you. I was introduced to it by a much, much younger man who I accused of just being in it for the easy, and not because he was actually attracted to me. You know that hard to get thing we wimmins do. :: sigh ::

    Little did I know that a few moments later, my eyes would be bleeding.

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  89. Alias Clio 88 —

    “I don’t know, but I’m inclined to doubt that the Edwards marriage is either polyamorous or “sophisticated”. I do think that Elizabeth Edwards probably resigned herself to her husband’s infidelity, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.”

    Certainly not polyamorous, that is by ideology, design and intention. But sophisticated – yeah I think probably, though also not by ideology, design or intention on her part. Or only so once the total loss of her sex drive dealt it’s somewhat cruel blow.

    A tremendous amount is affected by the pressures and support, or as we instead have here and now, the incessant and insistent tearing down, of the dignity status of her role as the much loved older wife. She gets none of that from anyone but her husband or if she’s lucky an understanding and unusual and same age or older close female friend or two. You can be sure she’s sought them out, probably long before this scandal arose.

    EE seems like a high estrogen, loves sex because it brings her love, sort of woman. I’m NOT saying she didn’t love sex earlier, I’d guess she did. But in love sex, not “loves sex just as much as and rather like a man” kind of thing. You know, like you Clio, from what I can tell. Actually I really like EE, what I know of her. She seems like rather a “love bunny” (smart division) if you know what I mean, and I’m sure YOU do. Love bunnies can be terribly hurt but I don’t think she has been by Edward, not without his patching her back up anyway. That’s not to say he hasn’t cheated on her before when she was still into sex and maybe in a big way. But it is to say that he did still love her, as in really did, and made her feel it. That’s what I feel anyway. I might be projecting somewhat, but I’m trying not to. I plead guilty to really liking it at a visceral sort of level though.

    So here she is with lots of love from EE, I’m theorizing. That love has special nectar because i) so many other women do want it and always have and ii) he kept showing her that he genuinely felt it towards her. There’s been ups and downs but in some ways (many ways) both his political campaigns and her tragic incurable cancer diagnosis brought them closer together. His attractiveness to her went up even further though the first and his commitment and love for her was demonstrated through the second. Of course the cynics among us will say that EE could hardly do anything but very visibly and very sincerely grow ever closer to his wife through her cancer journey. The women of America, especially the heavy voting older ones were watching with sharply peeled eyes, and so were lots of husbands, esp. better betas. But nonetheless, I think she felt and feels a lot of love.

    So she has her love without her now HAVING to give him sex (which can never be any good if it’s entirely a sacrifice for her, rare Russian Sonia type women excepted).

    If the world will just leave her her exalted status as the loving and much loved wife of a super alpha, she doesn’t have to be too bothered by Edwards having an affair – if he doesn’t stop loving her too (which is ENTIRELY possible for men to do, much more so than for most women). I’m not saying this is ideal. I’m not saying she never feels jealous. But nothing is ideal when she can’t feel sexual desire anymore, except rather theoretically or even when he can’t really feel full up sexual desire for her anymore. Under those conditions she had it pretty damn good – if the tabloids handn’t broken the story.

    Edwards fathering a love child sure makes it harder for her, that’s true. I’m all but certain that not only did Edwards not want that, but also that it wasn’t really or actually at all an accident either. Reilly Hunter, who grew up wealthy (lower division) and was I think it’s fair to say a 10 or at the very least a 9 but I’d say 10 was a big time high end party girl who eventually married a rich Cali lawyer. The marriage seems importantly centered on getting her Hollywood roles (moved there, funded stage roles) which happened only on the periphery. Quite the femme fatale of the irresistibly attractive and rather selfish but not necessarily really mean sort. Back to the pregnancy. It ain’t easy for anyone at 43, and the chances that an accident or two did the trick are tiny. She almost certainly wasn’t taking her pills or had pulled her IUD or whatever for the duration. She was at the absolute outer edge for any woman to hope to get pregnant and here she’d found her super alpha who was at least in some kind of love with her. Yeah, she went for it, for sure. I’m pretty sure she’s thinking that EE isn’t going to live forever either, or anything close.

    So here we’ve got alpah male married to a somewhat older high estrongen super feminine smart love bunny supportive woman who loses all interest in sex, and along comes a classic 13 years younger than Edwards (but really does look ten years younger) still high alpha female, high testosterone and smart enough to be a femme fatale. She decides it’s now or never to have a kid and does so, on the sneak tip.

    High human drama.

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  90. Somes EE above should be JE John Edwards instead. It’s not hard to figure out. Sorry.

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  91. Oh, and I’d bet big money that EE KNOWS that Reilly Hunter did exactly what I said immediately above, and FOR THAT REASON really hates her now.

    Really, really hates her. And doesn’t hate her husband. Hates the media.

    She hates the media too. And hates that he wasn’t more careful. Etc.

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  92. on August 20, 2008 at 4:00 pm Usually Lurking

    Oh, and I’d bet big money that EE KNOWS that Reilly Hunter did exactly what I said immediately above, and FOR THAT REASON really hates her now.

    Really, really hates her.

    One thing that I have noticed is that Women tend to be much more suspicious of Female motives (and Men tend to be much more suspicious of Male motives).

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  93. Also what I meant to “plead guilty to” above was really liking “her” rather than “it”. Was that substitution Freudian? Might have been, sure looks suspicious don’t it? :-; On the other hand I do that sort of thing a lot in quickly pounded out comments, etc. High IQ, slight dyslexia.

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  94. on August 20, 2008 at 4:17 pm Comment_Whatever

    ****
    But American victim culture simply cannot accept that kind of performance, especially from that extra specially victimy victim class: women! The whole Oprah thing requires suffering, requires weeping (or the stiff upper lip that trembles just enough to show that tears are close). That EE knows that she simply cannot appear in any way sophisticated or understanding or intelligent about this, which she very well might be, might be precisely the reason for the high road she’s pretending to take.
    ****
    Hey, all the Oprah gals believe it to. The problem is that beta men are cruel, heartless creatures. *Laugh*. But it is a bit much to expect them to publically take the same whores, I mean wives, who scream at them for wanting sex, and scream at them for even thinking about straying, to publically put on their “Alpha’s Whore” cap and strut around saying Alpha-Husbands can screw whomever you want.

    The commenter’s problem is apparently that American Women aren’t allowed to publically strut around and declare both their standards ON THE SAME SHOW.

    The word is hypocritical. The commenter has shamelessly ignored the whole point of the post, to talk about something else entirely. The point isn’t that you can think of a beautiful story that makes you happy for what you happened to believe in a situation involving an alpha.

    The point is you believe something completely different in another.

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  95. 96 Comment_Whatever (good nick, very revealing; for reasons why, see below):

    The commenter’s problem is apparently that American Women aren’t allowed to publically strut around and declare both their standards ON THE SAME SHOW.

    Grow up. I have no problem with women doing whatever the hell you’re burping on about their doing. Read the comment in its context as a response to an insight from dougjnn that raised the possibility that EE might be much less of a victim internally than she lets on. Dougjnn was all hard on himself for typos. Christ! Your thought patterns are just a mass of conceptual typos. You make no sense at all. And you do it without an ounce of style, intelligence, wit or panache. The purpose of conversation is to entertain and to instruct. You have failed miserably to do either with your wretchedly written, execrably thought out “contribution” to the conversation in is thread.

    The commenter has shamelessly ignored the whole point of the post, to talk about something else entirely.

    You’re a humourless, puffed-up, anal moron. There’s a whole streak of the topic of EE’s victim status running through this thread. I don’t know where the fuck you get off deciding what comments are germane to the post. Leave that job to Roissy, someone who can read, write and think circles around you. God, what a pompous literal-minded fart you are! Climb down off the toilet bowl sermonizing throne you’ve plopped your worthless mental ass down on.

    Oh, and while I’m at it, you can’t fucking write any better than you can think. Case in point:

    The point isn’t that you can think of a beautiful story that makes you happy for what you happened to believe in a situation involving an alpha. The point is you believe something completely different in another.

    What the flying fuck is that word salad even supposed to mean? You can’t even write coherent sentences, you stuffed-shirt priggish idiot.

    You’ve set yourself up as the post’s moderator. Well, Mr. Comment Bloviating Pompous Cork Up Your Butt Can’t Read Can’t Write Whatever… you’re fired.

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  96. Oh, and Comment_Whatever, I wouldn’t be suprised if you’re “me” from over at 2blowhards. You write as uselessly, think as shallowly, and waste as much air, energy, time and space as that little scrotum did. I stomped “me’s” useless shriveled ass over there, and he/it hasn’t been seen since. It wouldn’t surprise me if you decided to come here, slip in under a new name and try to get some payback.

    Problem: you’re too fucking stupid. You’re too fucking ignorant. And you’re too fucking immature, uneducated and intellectually void to make any impact on anyone, except by wasting their fucking time.

    Go away, you useless useless stupid stupid worthless little fuck. And take some courses in Remedial Thought while you’re at it. You’ll find the course hard to follow, you’ll probably fail. But you might learn a thing or two.

    Which is a thing or two more than you know now.

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  97. Isn’t Alpha status relative? Can a male can become an alpha if he puts himself in the right company? Is this is why city girls are less likely to marry? If an area is rural enough can everyone can be an Alpha.

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  98. Floccina, “Alpha” is used interchangeably to describe the upper echelon of a group or of humanity. There’s the Alpha male/female of a group, and then there an Alpha type: people who are more likely to be Alpha if they choose to, because of physical and/or personality traits that are perceived to be superior, for lack of a better word.

    A man can become the Alpha male of a particular group if he has the right motivation, skill, and looks combination, but he doesn’t necessarily have to be a general Alpha type to do that. Julius Caesar was a “spaz”, but he made up for it in heart, status, and the brains and motivation to use those to his benefit, and so he thought, the benefit of Rome.

    Tiberius Gracchus was more the Alpha male type overall, but he didn’t actually succeed in becoming emperor of Rome, even though for a time he was very popular. He might have succeeded if he had more of a human edge…more Eddie Vedder-ness and less Rick Astley-ness.

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  99. “If you’re gonna have an affair and ruin your marriage and public image, maybe you should at least have the affair with a young cutie?”

    Alpha males choose according to their own personal fetishes, not mainstream media standards. That’s a key difference between Alphas and betas. Alphas could give a flying fart what the rest of you think. They’re not shagging women who make Gay fashion designers’ dicks hard (because they look like transvestites on heroin).

    …and Clio, there’s another possibility that some people seem to me missing…

    Alpha males are often polyamorous, and honest with their partners about it. It’s alot less pubic hassle for them to deal with this as an infidelity issue than a polyamory issue

    When you’re a rich freak, you can do whatever you want.

    Nicole, you are so right ^^^. Oh my God, you hit it on the nose. In my experience, Alpha’s rarely give a darn about what other men think about them, even other alphas.

    PatrickH is hard-core. I weep for the commenter he stepped on.

    Floccina-No it’s something you are born with. Some men do a decent job at pretending but really you must be born Alpha. BTW, I have no problem dating a beta.

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  100. Nicole said: A man can become the Alpha male of a particular group if he has the right motivation, skill, and looks combination.

    Many of the men here are in denial about the importance of having good looks.

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  101. Noir, maybe it’s because they see guys who don’t look like say, Brad Pitt, getting the “hot” women.

    The thing is, that what people in a particular culture consider hot isn’t necessarily hot…not nature hot. In nature, hot is functional, strong, and symmetrical. Though he’s vastly more popular, Brad Pitt is a dog compared to the late, great Henry Cele.

    Now, can you think of any serious political figure who is not hot?

    Ghandi was a stunner.

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  102. Geroge Bush is the only one I can come up with off the top of my head. He wasn’t so bad looking 8 years ago, it’s just when he opens his mouth-boom

    from lake to desert.

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  103. Chic, Nicole, that’s why I’m doubting how real some of these net PUAs are. People put more value into things they have a hard time getting and if you’re really getting hot young girls interested all the time, you’re just not going to be that impressed by mere youth and beauty. If, on the other hand, you’re hanging out with hot people all the time and not getting any…

    The bloggers with the biggest obsession with youth and beauty are also exactly those who most sound like they’re faking success.

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  104. […] The Incredible Pull Of Alpha Males What an alpha male can get away with: A former Senator and vice-presidential candidate [John Edwards] misused campaign […] […]

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  105. @jaakkeli-You summed it up perfectly.

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  106. But George Bush does have close to that 1:1.6 “golden ratio”. He’s basically a mouthpiece who looks like our favorite uncle, whose best tool is the inaccessible Black professional woman every virile straight man in the country wishes he had a chance with.

    Beauty has many forms. I think it’s really too bad Anton LaVey didn’t live to continue his work begun with _The Satanic Witch_. We sometimes get thrown off by thinking about beauty as exclusively a romantic issue, but it is so much more than that.

    It’s about the right look for the right situation, and as long as someone has basic health/fitness, good function, and symmetry, they only need a venue to fit in order to profit.

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  107. Nicole saidHe’s basically a mouthpiece who looks like our favorite uncle, whose best tool is the inaccessible Black professional woman every virile straight man in the country wishes he had a chance with

    LOL, I remember how close the two were at one point.
    For some reason I see Condi being an undercover freak. You know super straight-laced people usually are. Just looking at the many holly roller preachers being caught in super compromising positions with g.aY men. Do you remember those knee high black dominatrix boots she wore one time

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  108. on August 21, 2008 at 3:41 am Comment_PatrickH

    On Comment 97 and 98.

    Well, I set you off, didn’t I?

    In fact, I think it’s pretty difficult for PatrickH NOT to have understood what I said, given the level of rage generated.

    PatrickH made a comment about how the “Oprah Culture” *forced* the wife to play victim. And it does. Because the same women who watch Oprah and then precede to lock their legs together while screaming like hell about the sanctity of marriage CAN NOT *publically* admit that, as “Alpha’s Whores”, they see absolutely nothing wrong with Alpha fucking whomever he wants.

    The reason is because the cold, soulless hearts of their oppressive husbands wouldn’t be able to tolerate it. Doormat or not, that would be crossing the line.

    Really, this country has the highest per capita male imprisonment rate in the world. And at the same time blatant crooks like Kenneth Lay are allowed to keep all the money they stole. It’s pretty obvious how things work. And , PatrickH, Kenneth Lay is ALIVE.

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  109. [email protected]

    FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMEE OOOOOOOOUTTTTTT

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  110. on August 21, 2008 at 10:06 am monohechomierda

    re: comment 110..
    “And at the same time blatant crooks like Kenneth Lay are allowed to keep all the money they stole. It’s pretty obvious how things work. And , PatrickH, Kenneth Lay is ALIVE.”

    These comment threads are proof of as Fred would say, the low base line level of humanity. Kenneth Lay alive? That’s a good one. The funny part is that the commentator doesn’t even know how much of a moron he is.

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  111. Nicole and Chic Noir:

    I really hope you both continue to comment freely here. You are two of the most interesting and off-beat commenters I’ve read in a while. I always learn something new from what you write, and I never know what to expect.

    Which is, sadly, not true of a lot of other commenters here.

    And monohechomierda, yep about the null entity nothinging its non-way around here. It doesn’t get it, does it? Abyssus abyssum invocat.

    Anyway, sorry to even mention quality posters like N and CN in the same breath as the Void That Thought It Was Something. It’s not even comparing apples and oranges. More like apples and fruit flies.

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  112. Noir, those boots are an internet hit. 🙂

    A female political figure in spike heels…that’s real.

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  113. Really, this country has the highest per capita male imprisonment rate in the world. And at the same time blatant crooks like Kenneth Lay are allowed to keep all the money they stole. It’s pretty obvious how things work. And , PatrickH, Kenneth Lay is ALIVE.

    I am happy that I am not the only one who believes this. Ken is somewhere in the Caribbean chilling on a beach being fanned by two 10s and fed grapes by a third.

    I found it strange how he died just as he was about to go to jail. Some how Ken’s trial took forever to roll around even thought he was one of the first “big money thieves” to be caught during that time.

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  114. on August 22, 2008 at 5:25 am sara short heels

    People sometimes ask why I so deliberately and unapologetically act in my own self-interest and take what I want.

    I for one, don’t want to know and your alpha worship is quite beta, roissy. The “perfect” man is a balance of alpha and beta. Roissy, you need to learn to listen better. I don’t have time to waste here, yah know?

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  115. MmmmmMerkel boobs…

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  116. on August 22, 2008 at 9:26 am Comment_monohechomierda

    Kenneth Lay is quite alive.

    Anyone who is capable of it, and watched the pathetic chain of event around his “death” knows what happened.

    “Lay was found guilty on May 25, 2006, of 10 counts against him; the judge dismissed the 11th. Because each count carried a maximum 5- to 10-year sentence, legal experts said Lay could have faced 20 to 30 years in prison.[2] However, he died while vacationing in Snowmass, Colorado on July 5, 2006, about three and a half months before his scheduled October 23 sentencing.[3] Preliminary autopsy reports state that he died of a heart attack caused by coronary artery disease. As a result of his death, on October 17, 2006 the federal district court judge who presided over the case vacated Lay’s conviction.[4].”

    Oh, and vacating his conviction was “New Law”. This “New Law” allowed Lay.. I mean Lay’s family, to keep the money he stole. It’s fortunate that this “New Law” was created after Kenneth’s death, because if it had been created right before his death, that would have given him several billion reasons to fake his death. But, Thank God, a Judge is Always True, and there is No Way Kenneth could have talked to him before his “Death”. Just. Couldn’t. Happen.

    The Creation of the “New Law” was also coincidence. A bizarre chain of events, because I Trust Our Court Systems.

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  117. ^^^Why are Americans so blind to what’s really going on in this country?

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  118. Nicole
    MmmmmMerkel boobs…

    Are absolutely fabulous darling

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  119. on August 24, 2008 at 3:04 am random passerby

    “Because I know the score.
    And you should too.”

    I’m sorry, but you don’t know shit. You’re running in the same hamster wheel as the dreaded “betas.” You have no idea how ridiculous you look to people who are outside the system.

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  120. Well random, not all wolves like to run in the wild. Some like the comforts of being sheepdogs. It puts them in line to perhaps become shepherds…sometimes.

    IMO, it’s all good as long as someone remembers not to eat or mate with the sheep.

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  121. I agree with the commenters here — like Joel and dougjnn — who see this as a pretty standard thing to have happen in a long-term marriage where one partner is ill. It can and does happen with women taking a lover as well. Rich, older, succesful people can afford to just relax and look beyond the middle-class standards that are really defined for 19-35 year olds who still have hormones at a peak and can’t emotionally handle multiple sexual partners. America is wildly hypocritical, unrealistic, and judgemental about this stuff.

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  122. mq 124 —

    Yes.

    And yes to it happening both ways. It most definitely does.

    The classic case is the older / old man married to a much younger woman. She may or may not have been permitted to play outside with his knowledge from the get go, but when he’s in his sixties and she’s say young and fit forties she might well be given permission to play – discretely. This happens all the freaking time in Europe and some here as well.

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  123. on August 27, 2008 at 5:30 pm Milton Freedman

    Wait SAM you worked in a place where grown women paid life guards to have incestuous sex with them and their daughters?

    I am also a bit confused by your comment about being good at sex, how would a client know in advance?

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  124. on August 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm Milton Freedman

    Woops wrong thread.

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  125. Edwards is not really an Alpha. No more than Eliot Spitzer is Alpha.

    McCain is an Uber-Alpha. Got a beautiful, wealthy woman 17 years younger than him, who still is deeply in love with him.

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  126. […] the woman who stood by his side when he was apologizing so profusely for reaping the spoils of his alpha pull on women: Edwards adamantly denied during a confessional interview with ABC News last summer that he had […]

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