Eye Gaze Experiments Demonstrate Holistic Female Attraction Triggers

A slew of eye-tracking heatmaps reveal some very interesting sex differences in subconscious desire, (as well as revealing optimum product positioning, which come to think of it is related to the former).

In the above map we see that men’s gazes focused on the woman’s face and body (and less so on the surrounding details). Women were more interested in the photo’s context, but they didn’t gaze any less at the model’s face and body. (It even looks like women spent *more* time checking out their competition.) Conclusion: Women objectify women as much as men do.

Similar results here. Women aren’t blind to other women’s beauty. Or their shoes. (Men, as per cultural stereotype, don’t give a shit about a hot babe’s choice of footwear.)

Here are two online dating profiles. The left profile is female, the right male. Eye tracking shows that men and women viewers gaze for a long time at the female profile’s face. The male profile photo, in contrast, hardly gets any attention, from either sex! More attention is paid to his background information, aka his story and his identity.

Eye gaze experiments provide strong evidence that a woman’s sexual market value is primarily a function of her looks, while a man’s SMV is multivariate. Women’s attraction triggers are holistic. Women will subconsciously measure and judge a host of personality, psychological, and contextual characteristics of a man before their arousal has solidified into conscious desire.

Because I know it drives certain spergalicious Rainmen crazy, once more with the slash of the shiv:

Maxim #5:  A man’s looks don’t matter as much to women as a woman’s looks matter to men.

Men who grasp the innate truth of the above maxim will do better with women than men who give up all hope because they are sad their jawlines are 0.1 micrometers too narrow.

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Taking bets now on how many bitter quasimodos and Tinder sluts with poor reading comprehension show up here to ragefroth after ignoring the part that says “as much”.





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  1. […] Eye Gaze Experiments Demonstrate Holistic Female Attraction Triggers […]

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    • Since some guys are confused, guys look at other guy’s crotch because ‘alpha’ types have an open body language (square shoulders, exposed chest and mid area), look at any given photo of men – almost all of them will be standing at an angle with one or more hands in front of their ‘vulnerable’ areas. Looking at how a guy presents his wedding vegetables is a quick way of asserting if he is presenting a challenge. Another thing to notice – in one of the photos women look at a man’s shoulders and biceps and men don’t. Women notice ‘glamour’ muscles.

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  2. It looks like the women are more interested in seeing whether the woman in the first photo has a flat tummy.

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    • Women are constantly judging and being judged by women. It’s why pre-selection is so powerful.

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      • and despite their platitudinous protestations to the contrary, women instinctively grasp the crucial importance of their looks to their social status and their ability to land mr. right.

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    • i saw that too, not that i don’t notice that but women are always talking about it. nulliparous women are more valuable– less attachments to others.

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  3. “Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.”

    H.L. Mencken

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  4. on October 17, 2014 at 1:04 pm Holden Caulfield

    If there was picture of the GBFM, the women would probably just stare a red spot into the lotsa cockas

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  5. LOLZ!!!

    According to the second image, a lot of women were checking out the model’s shoes!

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    • i think the second one is really interesting. look where they’re trying to look at the stomach in the reflection on her. and then there’s a little glow on the flexed calf as well. they’re really taking her in. guys go ‘face, but, yeah wb looks good’

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      • They’re not just taking her in. They both hate her and want to scissor her.

        http://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/news/2003/2003G-June/sexuality.html

        “In contrast to men, both heterosexual and lesbian women tend to become sexually aroused by both male and female erotica, and, thus, have a bisexual arousal pattern.”

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      • where the women are looking in the mirror in the 2nd pic is to see if she has visible bush. duh.

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      • “They’re not just taking her in. They both hate her and want to scissor her. ”

        This theory deserves more study. Hopefully next time the researchers also gather video evidence to support it.

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      • “where the women are looking in the mirror in the 2nd pic is to see if she has visible bush. duh.”

        this is it. women always check out other women’s bikini lines and they make a point of commenting negatively about any woman who is showing a little too much. same way they point out how tacky or disgusting a woman is for having visible panty lines.

        when a girl points out either of those things i just tell her thank you for pointing it out.

        funny how little they understand men.

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    • on October 17, 2014 at 1:34 pm mendozatorres

      Yeah, that was hella hilarious!

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    • They were checking out her shoes only because Law & Order: Criminal Intent wasn’t on a TV behind the model, and their smartphones w/t Facebook app weren’t handy.

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    • They’re thinking ” It must be the shoes ! “

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    • If she were wearing hooker heels instead of sneakers I think those would have gotten more glances from the men.

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  6. I wonder what sort of information did women look for at a male’s profile.

    It has been already established that socioeconomic credentials don’t impress a western woman.Hobbies,then?Number of friends and in particular number of HB friends?

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    • Very interesting question. Would be fascinating to see where female eye gazes land specifically on the male’s profile. What tidbits of information do they linger on? Could be a huge boon to gamers on Tinder and in real life. Someone will probably do the experiment if it hasn’t already been done.

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    • I lose track of which sock puppet I am, sometimes.

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    • That’s a match.com profile, so age, build, income, career. So they did a drive-by appraisal of the face — “okay, that’s not bad” — before getting serious (“how much money, is he tall enough, “athletic and toned”?, “what’s his job”?). Pretty much per CH’s direction.

      I will say that it would matter here how old the women doing the inspection are, i.e., single women over 28 or so care more about SES than sub-28 still playing on the playground.

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  7. side note but about female nature. i have a niece that’s 32, very attractive (7-8 hot bartender type), no kids, very kind, sincerely. obviously late to be getting married but she found what i consider a gold nugget of a dude, military, good looking, wants family,etc. however, she’s 32, so she’s had relationships in the past. her text to me (we’re 2 months into marriage here):

    “I’m really happy. I did good lol. It’s not the same kind of feeling I’ve had with other people like the butterflies and stuff but it’s way better and healthier. X is a really great guy.”

    X is screwed. she already had her 5 minutes of alpha and about 50 days into her wedding she’s reminiscing. don’t marry experienced (used up) women. and, i reiterate, she really is a very nice person. none of that will matter when she falls out of love mysteriously.

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    • ouch.

      “a really great guy” = he doesn’t turn me on, but my dry hole will serve as a useful port until i get what i really want… kids and social acceptance.

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      • Less cynically, she knows her feelings are betraying her. She knows he’s a good guy and trying to force her feelings to accord with what her brain tells her is a decent, successful person who would be a good life mate.

        This is exactly the kind of guy who benefits from a little game, but it may tragically come after he’s served with divorced papers. It’s also tragic that she does not get turned on by what she ought to.

        That said, her mother and grandmother and other people of concern would tell her to hold on tight and make this work. Feelings can grow over time, you know, particularly as her SMV declines. It may be a low sex, but stable relationship. Anything is possible, though I’ve been burned by this kind of woman once too often to try again at least for anything serious.

        I wonder if he knows the lack of depth and dimension of her feelings for him.

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      • As I said before, and no offence meant, I’m sure your niece is nice, but the really nice guy should really smack da bitch and fuck her up da ass! Always, always be smacking and fucking up da ass…

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      • Yessss, cuz we knows you white guys like getting smacked and getting it up the a**.

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      • Thwack
        Yessss, cuz we knows you white guys like getting smacked and getting it up the a**.
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        You see this shit CH?

        Even when I don’t comment on a thread some clown has to pretend he’s me; and he’s not even good at it.

        Its these dick riders you should toss out.

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      • thwack, I thought that comment was beneath yoiu.

        And Thwack, if you are black, smack da bitch and fuck her up da ass especially applies to she-boons. Don’t ever forget. Pound your chest like a chimp first even…

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      • thwacky pretends to be a victim but probably made the false account himself for that purpose. And while he pretends here that trolling posts are not his style, he trolls in the Femme Fatale thread, insulting the poster little spoon for no reason. Typical for this 85-IQ primate. Hate whitey is what he does.

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      • He’s toast as soon as she has her 2.2 kids and encounters someone who reminds her that her husband doesn’t make her wet with three whispered words and a strategic brush of the hand.

        Marriage death sentence: “It’s not the same kind of feeling I’ve had with other people like the butterflies and stuff but it’s way better and healthier.” The best thing that can happen here is that she will lose her looks in pregnancy and he will be willing to live with a de-sexed existence with an unattractive breeder, who can no longer do better than her husband.

        Contrary to the other commenters, I suppose he could read Rational Male and try to climb out of the provider-friendzone chasm, but how many women are *ever* subsequently turned on by a man they put in the friendzone, much less successfully exploit for marriage-status, money and children? To her, the guy’s a utility function, not a man.

        The most attractive married woman I know at the moment married a “great guy” three years ago (her marriage #2). UMC lifestyle. She tells me that he’s a “great guy” but similarly she just doesn’t have “the butterflies and stuff”. So she’s fucking on the side a retired ceo who likes to joke about adding her 20 year-old daughter and making it an educational three-way. And she asked me what I thought about that (adding the daughter). Some of these insights get pretty grim, at least for those who formerly held LTR pretensions. There is no conceivable LTR unless you’re the very man who made the woman your alpha widow. And then you better not — ever — have a health event, get canned, or just need some time to yourself. Baby’s got needs, baby’s going to serve them. In human history it’s never been easier for women to justify chasing some strange, for it’s uniquely “empowering” and “spiritual” and “transgressive” today.

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      • Arbiter
        he trolls in the Femme Fatale thread, insulting the poster little spoon for no reason.
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        Are you following me?

        LS is an attention whore; she’ll take it any way she can get it. What are you, a friggin hall monitor? You need to be pushed down a flight of stairs.

        Now run and tell.

        Punk

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    • on October 17, 2014 at 1:37 pm mendozatorres

      Yup. Reminds me of three buds that all got hitched within these past two years. In fact, two were because the women were clamoring for their betas to propose; one being a raging bitch about it, the other with a passive-aggressive mode. The other guy did it cause the other guy got married and he’s a status whore, so he has to follow suit. They were already living together with these women, so I’m not sure why even bother getting married.

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    • don’t marry experienced (used up) women.

      That’s the lesson for you, here? You can go virgin-hunting all you want, she’s eventually going to snuff you out if you don’t know how to handle your shit.

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      • you’ve got a point, and i handle my own and i’m not married. but i mean it more generally to the 99% of guys that don’t read anything here. like, he’s a solid dude you could count on, putting his life and home (he already owns) on the line for her ambivalence. meanwhile her memories of real passion are already seared in like a bk meat patty

        I do think game or no, you’re better off pattying the meat yourself

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    • Could you try coaching the guy? A little help could go a long way.

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      • honest question, and maybe worth a post if it’s not a stupid question, but

        How do you tell a guy he needs game or he’s going to have a miserable life?

        i have attempted it a little with my brother who is married to a true harpy. i think it’s his business if he wants to be a pushover but my nephews are going to see that and end up in the same boat later. so that gave me the impetus to try. but it fell on deaf ears, he’s exhausted and just trying to get through any single particular day and get to bed or back to work rather than trying to plan long-term for his happiness.

        my niece’s husband is not someone i have contact with but once a year tops so that’s harder, but in general i’m just curious what would be good approaches without really offending a guy.

        the gist is i’m saying “your wife sucks and you suck at dealing with her but see here’s how you fix that, love always, your unmarried brother” 🙂

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      • It sounds like the usual relationship shit, she’s smelling betaboy and want to make sure it’s not there, even if it destroys him.

        He’s in a somewhat difficult position, because he’s showing up in the arena in a position of weakness, exhausted etc, and women as a rule hate weakness. That’s his basic problem. Also, he probably has the subconscious blue pill view that she ought to be supportive when he’s down, which isn’t the case anymore. These days, it seems like if you want a friend in your relationship, get a dog.

        What to do? Maybe he should get away from the harpy for a bit, unofficially and deniably of course. Blame business trips, be less accomodating, etc. He gets to rest a bit and she gets a dose of dread game. Maybe turn the tables and ambush her with a screaming fight about something stupid every now and then, shame her about her failings, rattle her a bit. Be more selfish.

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    • I can top that. A guy at work caught wind of his wife cheating on him. I advised him that it was partially his fault, because he was too needy and clingy. “If you need her to be happy, neither one of you will ever be happy.”

      His approach? He told her, “If I can’t have you, nobody will have you. I’ll kill you…”

      Not wise up to this point, but I guess it could be effective. It’s better than just laying there taking it with a grunt and a sigh.

      Then he said, “…Then I’ll kill myself. I can’t live without you. I won’t live without you.”

      And there we go. Girl of 28 is thinking you may not be the most alpha cock she can lock down after all, and you respond by totally smothering her with needy desperation. Bravo. Then you give her everything she needs to get a restraining order.

      Pull up a chair and pop some corn. I just melted some fresh butter.

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    • You gotta clue him on on game sites if you even remotely give a shit about your niece. Feed him a red pill, man. For her sake if not for his.

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      • agree, i asked about for good ways to do that in case you have done it or can think of any. he’d be tough as i don’t have tons of contact but i think it’s an important thing to do when you can

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      • I would try to clue him in sort of gently but be direct and tell him, “Son, I love my niece, but I want to share some advice about how to keep a beautiful, lovely woman happy. It doesn’t involve kissing her ass but doing the things that hit her on a subconscious level, involves watching what she does in response to you, not listening to what she says because the two don’t often match up exactly.”

        Not sure where you start, maybe Rollo’s site. This place is a bit rough and even on a good day 40% of us are complete morans.

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      • good point re rollo. takes a little while to roll with the race and jew and other stuff here in comments that might put off a starter. i mean i eat it up, but i’m sick.

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    • ‘better and healthier’ is a rationalization for her lack of desire. girls don’t give a shit about that stuff. they want the vagina waterfalls and the passion.

      molon labe.

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    • Burke, discreetly give him Rollo’s book. He will probably throw it down in disgust at first, but if there is even an iota of red in him, he will eventually read and learn.

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      • re rollo’s book good point. i actually have done that for a friend that was just becoming an irrational misogynist and not knowing why. he took it to heart.

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    • @burke

      Print this out and discuss with him as a starting point : https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/overconfidence-is-the-heart-of-game-%e2%9d%a4science%e2%9d%a4-edition/#comment-623947

      Also you have the chance to educate this guy, and your neice as well… Suggest you get them copies of AK’s MMSL Primer and give it to each of them independently. $10 a copy, covers a lot of the basics, attraction, hypergamy, dominance, leadership etc. and a short read. marriedmansexlife.com

      To Buena Vista’s point, Game can help a great deal here. She may not know him as an Alpha, but he can develop into one before her eyes, or enough of wone to make a real difference in their happiness. And don’t be so harsh on her, she is just following her nature. Women have as much blue pill conditioning as men, and very few ever really know what they want and what turns them on.

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    • “It’s not the same kind of feeling I’ve had with other people like the butterflies and stuff but it’s way better and healthier.”

      Wth? Butterflies aren’t bad. This is a classic false dichotomy. Butterflies and relationship instability aren’t mutually exclusive.

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  8. Wonder what they’d find when running these tests with Tinder profiles?

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    • Tinder self-selects for attention whores and real whores. All context is stripped out of Tinder so it doesn’t offer many useful lessons for how the flesh and blood sexual market works.

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      • @CH

        How would you know?

        [CH: dude… you assume too much. let’s just say you’re off-base and i know. we’ll keep it at that.]

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      • I have seen a lot of twists and turns in the dating game, but there’s something about Tinder that makes me shudder. It brings a little cold into the world.

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      • @ch is right.

        I have 3 sisters all her are in their twenties and therefore I have girlfriends who are girls because of my sisters (call me gay but great ways to play with this). I hear a lot when I hang out with my sister on the “wine nights” with her gfs.

        Girls research the fuck out of guys on tinder and they usually don’t have one night stands or make the guy game a damn large amount (more than one date) for sex.

        This is for high SMV girls.

        Kant I can believe cleaning up on tinder is possible with lower smv girls (not that good looking a little chubby just pumped and dumped, slutty girl, girl with tattoos, girl who likes black dudes, girl who dyes her hair purple etc etc. “red flags” you know).

        Keep saying you clean up on tinder with hotties though because your just telling me that your notch points are with low smv girls which isn’t much of a challenge but if that’s your thing then that’s cool obviously.

        To the guys who are online dating and new to game. If your not banging super high smv girls on tinder but your “doing all the game things that kant and pua suggest” it’s because of what I’ve been saying and what I said above

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      • I agree with CH. If you read OKTrends and Cataclysm you will get the sense that a low text app like Tinder would drive this.

        OKCupid has 10 years of data. There is a section on average text length pre and post OKCupid Smartphone App. The length has decreased by 2/3 in 2014. Project that into Tinder… and you can bet NO GIRL is interested in deep meaningful conversations

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      • For the most part…what I’ve been saying applies to almost all online dating. This might be me rambling but online dating is, to the core, for beta males. And girls instinctively know this.

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      • “Kant I can believe cleaning up on tinder is possible with lower smv girls (not that good looking a little chubby just pumped and dumped, slutty girl, girl with tattoos, girl who likes black dudes, girl who dyes her hair purple etc etc. “red flags” you know).”

        I don’t do chubby girls or tattoo / purple hair girls etc. I like cute white girls / asians from NYU, Parsons, Columbia, FIT, Pratt. In my tinder guide on sedfast i mention that hb9-10s seem to just be on tinder to attention whore in my experience, but that hb7-8s will meet up and bang if you game them right. I’ve never claimed to bang hb9-10s from tinder (or anywhere really)

        I’m willing to admit that living in NYC might be a big factor here though

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      • Yeah living in NYC does make some difference.

        I bet if you hang on online dating for too long girls friends groups will start to recognize you. My friend got boxed into “Tinder Tyler”. I was hitting on a random group of girls out in my city and Tyler came up and said hi.

        Then he left and all the girls were like “you know ‘tinder tyler’???. It wasn’t a good thing I could tell know of the girls were interested in him.

        Girls in college have very large social/friend groups where theyre able to do most of their shenanigans.

        I already told you what types of girls are on tinder. Usually if she’s 7+ and high smv she’s on their because her and her bf just broke up and she needs validation/attention asap which plenty of betas are there to do (hence them getting 50 messages)

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      • on October 22, 2014 at 12:34 pm midnight toker

        @ kant

        “hb9-10s seem to just be on tinder to attention whore in my experience, but that hb7-8s will meet up and bang if you game them right.”

        that is my perception as well.

        guys need to keep things in perspective and sharing experiences like this helps with that. thanks.

        these discussions tend to get pretty heated. unnecessarily so. no one should be getting defensive or beating themselves up for not having much success with high quality girls on tinder.

        like CH said, tinder self-selects for attention whores and real whores. most high quality girls aren’t on tinder in the first place and the hot chicks who are, do it mostly for attention.

        it seems there are differing views about what constitutes high quality here at the chateau and across the manosphere but in my opinion, hot girls who are attention whores aren’t actually high quality. something to think about when you’re losing sleep over being rejected by one of these girls. they are playing with people and preemptively rejecting them because they know in their hearts how broken they are.

        but let’s say you only care about appearance and you’re okay with banging attention whores. go for it. but keep it in perspective. remember that working on your game is all well and good and you might get lucky once in awhile. but you also may not. and in all actuality, it might have more to do with the messed up girl you’re dealing with than how good your game is.

        you can’t take it to heart too much if you don’t get anywhere with these girls. it’s likely that no one else is either.

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    • nice nails efofappi

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    • Slits are especially drawn to big’uns on other slits. It’s a combination of fascination and jealousy.

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      • Fascination and jealousy are in the equation, probably.
        But I think it is also possibly related to the nourishment that breasts offer. It is some kind of a comfort, males and females who were fed from the breast, considered from a baby, that the breast is a place of nourishment and comfort. Could this be some form of subconcious desire to look at breasts, in males and females, and reverting to that childhood feeling of comfort and safety? For example, all babies love breasts. Any woman around babies understands this, even if you are not the biological mother, the first place a baby will reach his/her hand, is to the breast. In heterosexual men, at puberty brain organisation will occure to make the male sexually attracted to breasts. But other than the sexual attraction, there is possibly also a attraction for the “comfort” feeling that is hardwired in to us from babies, as it was our first place of nutrition and comfort. Does the same not occur to women? In a sexual way – probably not, but in comfort way, why not? I think it is plausible. Just a theory.

        I read a theory recently that men love breasts because when the breast is stimulated, oxytocin the “bonding hormone” is released, and it helps men, for the woman to bond to him.
        http://www.livescience.com/23500-why-men-love-breasts.html
        I am not suggesting it would apply to women, as there seems to be no evolutionary need for it.

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  9. it is very funny: in some of the pics, women don’t even check out dude’s junk. Dudes do though.

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  10. Superb post! Science bitches 😉

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    • I second that!

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      • on October 17, 2014 at 6:13 pm Ted Cunterblast

        OT: what’s up with that little lisping weirdo over at D&P? I’m not a fan of Tucker Max either, but he must have a lot of insecurities to bash another dude’s girlfriend and pick fights with everyone on a constant basis. Maybe it’s the meds talking.

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  11. Visual bukkake maps. Gotta love modern tech…

    “Skeet-skeet-skeet!!!”

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  12. Found this on a Russian girl’s profile:

    Женщина – сложное существо – даже ключ от её сердца надо вставлять совсем в другое место…

    Woman – a complex being – even the key of her heart should be inserted in a completely different place …

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  13. On the original site, men look at other men’s crotches a lot.

    Women, not all.

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  14. Some sexual theorems to go by. Guys that look at cocks are fags. Men are either straight or gay. No such thing as bi dude. He can slip but his nature is one or the other. If you think prison proves this wrong, nope, the penetrator isn’t the bitch… A gay dude can f a wench, but that’s his penis betraying him, just as a comatose man gets erections.

    All women are bisexual. Yes, all. The degree to which sex they like varies but women are all bisexual. If a woman is honest she will admit this. Why, you ask? Why not, its pussy g-d-it!

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    • What studies do you have to prove this fascinating claim out of the blue, that all women are bisexual?

      Research shows that women’s sexuality can be more varied. But that is not the same as saying all of them are bisexual. I have definitely met women who were not.

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      • Arbiter, they were lying to you. I’ve asked lotz and lotz of wenches. Some I banged, some not, some I knew well, some barely at all, and they have all confessed this to be true. Now, I’ve not asked all women of course so I extrapolated. (There’s a previouis post siting a study- look above). And I bet those same sensible women you cite don’t have rape fantasies either, h’mmm???

        Think of it this way, unless the women are ugly, there is nothing instinctually wrong when you see wench on wench action to the max. Neither women or men are grossed out by it. Both are with fags. Nature meant for wenches to lez on each other. Back when women were chattel to be captured, raped, and traded, it was probably the only intimacy they got. And women do crave this…

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      • As much as it pains me to agree with Arbiter, I too call bullshit on the “all women are bisexual” claim. Its nothing more than life imitating jooish art.

        Nothing to see here, move along, move along folks…

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      • As much as it pains me to agree with Arbiter, I too call bullshit on the “all women are bisexual” claim. Its nothing more than life imitating jooish art.

        Nothing to see here, move along, move along folks…

        I agree… and it’s a breath of fresh air to see you talking sense, for a change.

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    • @LazyHero

      “Guys that look at cocks are fags.”
      “All women are bisexual.”

      wrong.

      men look at other guys to check out the competition and women check out other women for the same reason.

      if you think everyone who does that is gay you’re probably projecting and doing a little wishful thinking. you’re obviously gay or bisexual or poly or whatever the hell people call it these days.

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      • Ha, very funny. If you want to look at penises that’s your perogative. I don’t however… Also, how is another penis competition, are you in gang bang? When I fuks I gotz the only penis in the room…

        And let me re-iterate, why are people, men and women, sans fags (gay men) repulsed by fag action. Even if you had male models go at it, only fags would watch. Everyone else would be disgusted. Instinctually disgusted. Only 2 very ugly wenches going at it would disgust, but this would occur for anyone or thing they were having sex with. 2 mediocre chicks are boring, 2 hot women, goddamn! And yes even women will watch this, and no one is disgusted.

        All women are bi…

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  15. Staying fit and dressing well helps, maximize what you got. But really not giving a fuck past that point, truly not caring, makes you more attractive than any plastic surgery can. Yep, an Adonis gets laid easier. No doubt. But there are a lot of other pathways starting first and foremost with a cocky attitude.

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  16. I laughed my ass off just now seeing women concerned with female FOOTWEAR! Thank you, sir.

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    • That was … incredible.

      I tried in vain to convince my ex that men hardly care what a woman wears to a party. If she has a sexy body and face, she is sexy. As long as she doesn’t wear something very wrong the clothes won’t change that. If she is fat and unattractive, it doesn’t matter what she wears.

      She insisted that that must be only my view, that it’s different for different men, etc. I told her, “I have heard men talk a lot about what the girls at a party or pre-party look like. NEVER do they mention what a beautiful dress she’s wearing. If clothes are mentioned at all, it is because they are revealing – showing more of the body, which is the thing that matters.”

      No, she wouldn’t believe it. Women. They need to believe in a world where wallpaper is heavy stuff, because wallpaper is their domain.

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    • When I re-entered the dating circus it took some time to come up to speed, but eventually I got the memo on what I term wearing ‘halo’ shoes. And the best explanation I’ve heard is “Good shoes on a man tell a woman you have attention to detail.” I’m not sure I believe that, I suspect some complicated projection is going on (she likes shoes you have shoes maybe you like shoes too so you’ll buy her shoes — where’s my fucking aspirin).

      But I will say now, it may be a picnic in a parking lot, or a night at the opera, but dudes, over-invest in shoes. It’s unbelievable, and unbelievably easy. I know, with my current girl, that two things are going to happen at least once on every date. One of the two things is she’s going to compliment my shoes.

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  17. @Kant – Dude, Tinder question for you as I’m just starting to explore it.

    I have professional photos (albeit fairly anodyne ones) and looks-wise about 7 in photos and I’m 34.

    No Tinder profile text.

    When I swipe yes to every woman 18-40 in a big city, I average about 1-3 matches out of every 100 swipes (varying ages).

    Is this a “normal” hit rate on Tinder or way below what I should be getting?

    Does the time of day (I’ve mostly tried this during the daytime/work hours) matter much? Or how much you’re active on Tinder (not very in my case – I’ve only experimented with it)?

    Also I suspect my age puts me outside the search criteria for a lot of under 25 girls..

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    • Might put you out of the criteria they think they want. Lie about your age, change it if you can or remake your profile and then become younger, rematch all those chicks in a few weeks and see if your average improves

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    • @Culum Struan

      No you are really 29… you would realize this if you read Dataclysm by Christian Rudder

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      • [email protected] Aamer – I’ve read the excerpt from the Rudder book – point taken.

        And thanks Anon and Ang – I’ll see about changing my age and trying again (I easily pass as late 20s – if not for some grey in the hair, I could comfortably pass for 25)

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    • tinder has an algorithm based on your swiping practices

      i used to swipe right on every girl and found that i was getting alot of matches but girls with far lower smvs than me

      then i read somewhere that tinder gives you a score based on your swiping practices and on how other people swipe you

      if you want to match with hotter chicks you have to be more selective in your swiping (look at all her photos only swipe if you would fuck her). that way the tinder app perceives you as more high status and will put you in the feeds off hotter chicks who can then swipe you..

      since iv become more selective iv been getting matches with 8s and 9s (getting them to meet up is another thing lol)

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      • tinder has an algorithm based on your swiping practices

        Where’d you hear this?

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      • i read it here http://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Tinder-algorithm-work

        the tinder app is smart

        if you are ugly you will get shown hot women in your feed to keep you interested in the app but you will only get shown in the feeds of ugly chicks

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      • Anonymous
        tinder has an algorithm based on your swiping practices
        ——————————————————————————————–

        Indeed, the monetization of search and choice is what powers the entire internet. The ultimate business model is for you to pay to be fed your own feces.

        Even your hate is being monetized and sold back to you in a never ending feedback loop.

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  18. burke wrote:
    “nulliparous women are more valuable– less attachments to others”
    And a tighter vag due to it not having passed a baby cranium. And without the “get fat now that I’m a mother” hormonal changes.

    apollohaan quoted stuff about all women (not just lezzies and bisexuals) being turned on by hot girls…
    I once worked at a large corporation where the IT help desk girls liked to go to a strip club. I accompanied them one evening (they kept it a secret from others in the company, pretty surprising actually) and they never got hit on by any of the other patrons so it didn’t seem to have anything to do with attention whoring. They just liked the sexually charged atmosphere. As one of the girls (coworkers) told me, “Girls are sexy.” And none of them were dykes.

    No, it didn’t lead to any action with any of them (one was a single mother who had already been after me, but I wasn’t dumb enough to dip my pen in the company ink), and yes, I was hard for two days afterwards. The single mother let the other girls pull out her boobs as she pretended to be too drunk to notice/care. Her child had clearly not gone hungry.

    Caramba wrote:
    “It has been already established that socioeconomic credentials don’t impress a western woman.”
    As in, they’re just as attracted to the guy who rents out the bowling shoes as they are to a lawyer or MD?

    Thoroughbred wrote:
    “Would be fascinating to see where female eye gazes land specifically on the male’s profile. ”

    “don’t marry experienced (used up) women”
    Or: Get’ em young, right out of Mom and Dad’s house, preferably virgin.

    LazyHero wrote:
    “All women are bisexual. Yes, all.”
    Yes, most women are turned on by a really hot girl.
    I was in Georgia (the country) this last June and was seated at the back of a bus during early afternoon when only a handful of people were riding. A girl around 15 years old was in the seat in front of me, the left-most seat of the two on the right side of the aisle. I was in the middle of the bench seat at the back, and she was wearing shorts and a brief sleeveless top so that, with me being able to see only her left arm and left leg (and head sticking about the seat), it gave the illusion that she was naked. Thin arms, gazelle legs, yeehah. Wonderful sight to behold. Then I noticed that the thirty-something women opposite her (in the right seat of the pair of seats on the left side of the aisle) kept running her eyes over her. The facial expression didn’t look like envy, it looked like lust. And this looker didn’t give off a dyke vibe.

    Smoking hot girls are universally attractive.

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  19. great post and funnier comments.

    the lack of……acuity? in human social dynamics is front and center eh?

    technology really might have killed us. 😦

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  20. This lines up with my own OKC dating experiences. My photo is the back of my head. The write up is all mysterious. My outreach to these women is cocky-funny. The response rate to my outreach is around 40%—without a proper photo but with some funny banter.

    I’ve also changed my game approach to women asking them how they “feel” about things: “What do you feel when you hear this music?” “What did you feel when you saw those photos?”

    Also check out the October Man sequence which has been floating around the PUA community for years. This slimy-looking fat dude has a strange allure if you put yourself in a woman’s shoes. Mystery, intrigue, strength—all these traits are elements of what get a woman’s hamster going.

    What would have been interesting in the OP experiment is to cross-reference the eye contact on the descriptions and cross-reference the content: what words/ideas seemed to attract the longest looks?

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  21. It like to see a heat map of where a woman looks on the same photos ON THE DAY SHE IS OVULATING.

    [CH: it might change, but remember, that leaves 29 days for less handsome men to make their move.]

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    • and you’re not taking into account the fact that 95% of girls don’t know much about their biology.

      So you being an asshole when she’s ovulating is way more than enough to compensate for any looks discrepancy

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  22. One form of social proof is pretty straightforward…not as straightforward as being seen with super model who persists in mashing her girly bits on you in a club – but useful nonetheless. Get on the short list of invitees to a small, intimate party for an extremely rich person who is the Chairman of several important things that matter. You show up. They park your cool/exotic car right by the front door, gratis. You go in the room; the honoree man runs over to shake your hand and gush to his toned up wife about how worthy you are to fuck all the wives present…I mean, in so many words.
    Say little, smirk often, mine the ore, then take the best of it home for a proper rendering.

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  23. one more bit about girls and their memories

    http://thoughtcatalog.com/kelsey-hau/2014/10/why-i-hope-my-ex-was-a-once-in-a-lifetime-kind-of-love/

    you can try to surpass her past memories, or you can start with a fresh slate and be her memories. either way you gotta keep it together on your end, but your chances are vastly better being the once-in-a-lifetime before someone else it

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  24. I think the conclusion for online dating is a bit off as women firstly select by pictures and then look at the profile some more.

    A more realistic situation would be women being shown the usual selection page with 20 or so profile pictures per page.

    See http://jonmillward.com/blog/attraction-dating/cupid-on-trial-a-4-month-online-dating-experiment/ for results.

    The looks don’t matter as much as confidence and demeanor part is mainly a real life thing and more true for countries with high income disparities as well, while women in extremely high earning countries like Australia for example only give the best looking guys a shot.

    An ugly guy with a high confidence alpha game might still get some girls there, but realistically it’s extremely hard to develop if you aren’t rich and the world gives you shit all day. Even a small amount of insecurity quickly shines through and girls sense that instantly.

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  25. Somebody help me out, I’m in Atlanta and can’t find the white women, seriously, I need a place to game and it’s all black clubs. Where da white women at? !

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  26. The shoe pic is classic.

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  27. […] A slew of eye-tracking heatmaps reveal some very interesting sex differences in subconscious desire, (as well as revealing optimum product positioning, which come to think of it is related to the former).  […]

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  28. OT, but this might make a good subject for a future CH Column:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2014/10/dear_prudence_i_had_an_affair_with_a_conservative_politician_should_i_sink.html

    “Dear Prudence: I finally have the means to punish the Alpha Bad Boy dickhole who pumped and dumped me years ago, since he’s decided to go into politics. While I’m sure the liberal beta simp I’m married to will forgive me for my cheating (especially if I threaten to take away his kid and clean him out in the divorce,) I’d still feel kind of bad for Alpha Bad Boy’s wife, seeing as how she’s a fellow woman (and victim of the Patriarchy and all.) Still, this would be a great chance to earn some serious Social Justice Cred among my fellow mommybloggers, (even if it could result in my blowing up my own marriage. ) Should I pull the trigger, Prudie?

    –Blue About It”

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  29. But why the interest in shoes? I Have have once heard, that in business, shoes are a tip off to how much money that person might have. The thought being that someone with a limited budget will put all their money into the most visible part which is the suit and or maybe the tie but not pay for the details. Kind of like owing a stainless steel Rolex.

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  30. Awesome data that highlights what we knew all along.

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  31. Not just business; your shoes tell where you been and where you just came from; whether you behind a plow or are a “bidnussman”; this is why ni66ers males have such a shoe fetish and will try to kill you if you step on them.

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  32. “Taking bets now on how many bitter quasimodos and Tinder sluts with poor reading comprehension show up here to ragefroth…”

    #gamergate

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