Why Online Dating Is Limiting

Reader Just Saying offers a new way to look at the inherent shortcomings of online courtship.

Online Courtship Can’t Replicate Face To Face Courtship

Of course not – for a simple reason, when you are face-to-face they don’t compare you to their mythical ideal, they feel attraction and voila, the panties come off. But with an app they compare you to their “idea” of what they should date. That is much more limited, if you meet that criteria, you’re golden, if you don’t you won’t get any trim… Simple…

Remember, women cannot control whom they are attracted to – and it’s often almost the opposite of what they think they want. Heck, no young 18 yo old thinks, “What I need is a 50+ year old to plow me like a field.” And if they thought about it, they would walk, but when they are there and feeling the attraction – all of that doesn’t matter, their little rationalization hamster goes full speed later to justify what they are feeling, “Sure, he’s older, but that means we can do more, and it’s FUN.” I have one that loves it when people will refer to her as “your daughter” when we’re out, as she’ll practically attack me and then say something like, “He’s my step-father.” Just to shock them… That is what women live for – the excitement, and an “app” on a phone can’t deliver that.

It is that simple…

This is well said, and I extend Just Saying a CH Honorary Degree in Preening.

The fact is that any medium which removes context and nuance and body language from the courtship will invariably redound to the man’s detriment, because men are judged by women on far more than their looks. Online dating does not penalize women as much as it does men, because women were always judged first and foremost on their looks. A profile pic may be a flawed substitute for a 3D representation of a girl, but it’s still a serviceable substitute that gives men most of the information they need that they would similarly get in the field, (barring fatties and oldies posting inaccurate pics).

In contrast, men are more harshly penalized by a medium in which the profile pic is heavily weighted. Women are attracted to men’s personalities as much as or more than they’re attracted to men’s physical presences. Online courtship handicaps the ability of men to project, spoken and unspoken, those sexy contours of their personalities that arouse women. Yes, there’s the option to write a witty or indifferently douchey bio that captures some essence of the man, but the style and rapid-fire trawling of online dating sites conspires to focus the female mate judgement algorithm on the attached pic before anything else comes into view. Average looking men are at a disadvantage online that they wouldn’t be in the real world, where they could boldly approach women and force them to take the measure of all their cocksure attributes.

Online courtship isn’t hopeless. For some men — the top 5% in looks, the exceptionally witty who have cornered a niche market, the mass copypastas playing an urban numbers game, the convicts with internet access — online game is a useful adjunct to whatever fleshworld game occupies their time.

But don’t expect internet game to net you the high quality lays and high octane love that face to face game has the greater potential to deliver. In the field, you only have a woman to seduce. Online, you have to seduce her and her alpha male apparition. One hurdle is better than two.





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  1. Great post. 100% true and spot on.

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    • Online booty calling–I mean online dating results in extreme hypergamy with just a few exceptionally good-looking dudes slaying 100% of the sweet pussy while the other 95% get NO SEX or plow the dregs.

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      • obviously exaggeration for effect, but even with that i think you’re off a bit. i am not top-5% looks, and my height’s not showcased online, but i have had what i’d consider good results on both okc and tinder. so i wouldn’t write it off. it’s good text game practice at worst.

        however, the reason online can’t compare for me is– keep in mind i’m older — the memories. i don’t ever sit back and remember an online text pickup, no matter how well executed or how hot the girl. my brain doesn’t give a shit.

        what i do find myself doing though, is reliving and reloving nights where i was just _on_ for whatever reason. the roller derby hottie at a minnesota halloween party, and her incredulous look when i gave her my room card and wandered off to the next girl. and then her tank top and pig tails when she showed up at my door. again, i’m older, so i may reminisce more than most, but it also revs me up to get a few more brilliant nights in. real nights. not nights tapping on a screen and swiping images.

        online can get you laid, for sure. but it’s about as memorable as a prostitute if you don’t get to savor all the build up and watching her fall for you in person.

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      • the guys who do well IRL do well online. Alpha seeps through the pics and the words you write. It’s not looks.

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      • > “extreme hypergamy with just a few exceptionally good-looking dudes slaying 100% of the sweet pussy”

        Uhh, mot to be a Grammar Jewnazi or anything, but you aren’t describing “hypergamy” – you’re describing POLYGAMY!!!

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    • Yes, obviously you can’t use offline game online. And obviously then, looks will matter more. But why does it have to be either/or? Online dating is one additional field. I don’t use it anymore, but I had some success there when I did use it. It has its ups and downs same as every other field.

      Today more people find a partner online than at the pub, at work or through hobbies. There are those who simply don’t have time to go out and do cold approaches in the evenings. Or who are high-quality guys but still aren’t very good at cold approaches, or don’t want to do them. And there are those who used to find women through the pub, but their friends are married and won’t go with them as wingmen, and they aren’t used to going alone. If those guys can’t find a girlfriend through social circles, where should they find one?

      There are different situations for different people. There are those in their twenties who pick up online based on looks and some online game, for the same reasons people usually approach in their twenties. Then there are those in their thirties and up where both parties are focused on finding something series before it’s too late, and their online dating will be different.

      Yes, the guy who is good at game and who doesn’t have awesome looks to show in a photo will have more success approaching the way it is taught in the manosphere. That’s what I do. But I know things are different for others. And as trav says, there is even game online.

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    According to Rollo Tomoassi, he and Dalrock are “happily married fathers need game” Alphas.

    http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/06/well-do-it-almost-live/

    And Homer, Jesus, Virgil, Dante, and Moses were betas, not worth mentioning.

    Rollo Tomoassi and Dalrock are very careful to never suggest cultural reform

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    • But, GBFM, I seem to recall that when Odysseus came home from his travels, Penelope didn’t recognize him. That is, until he slapped her on the ass. Wasn’t that how it went?

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    • What’s with your obsession with Dalrock? And why pick on Rollo Tomassi? He has written a whole lot of good stuff.

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      • GBFM does not believe Christian women should have to be gamed. Dalrock and Rollo promote the idea that this is how you stay “happily married” instead of putting the responsibility on women to be virtuous.

        @GBFM: I’m curious. Have you been banned from Rollo’s “free and open forum” yet? I like to keep good company 🙂

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  3. […] Why Online Dating Is Limiting […]

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  4. A lot of the criticisms of online dating are…true. Online social circle game is better. Its more natural although still prone to some of the same pitfalls of online dating, the main one being one side building up unrealistic expectations of a fantasy person.

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    • Yeah, that’s why intentions should be made clear upfront to preclude empty fantasies of a buttgas-free future together. Just imagine him/her dropping a big, loud, nasty-ass deuce that lingers for days — that’s the love o’ yer life right there, boys.

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  5. on October 14, 2014 at 1:57 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    It can be good for a quick, random lay.

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  6. how many of us have had friends meet their long distance online crush only to watch the thing become a spectacle of sad awkwardness. It happens on some reality tv shows too.

    it would be good to provide a beta’s guide to meeting your LDOC.

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    • For a woman, You just more of what you want ideally online. Like ideally I would not date guys younger than me. Irl, younger guys ask me out more often than older guys. Online I can just state my desired age range to exclude younger guys. But online being the wrong height or age can be nearly impossible to overcome whereas in real life it is not.

      It’s not just about guts with better pics doing better or something though. Dominance cues are just as easily perceptible online as in real life. I am attracted to the guy who writes this blog even though I only interact with him online. Someone want to argue with that?

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      • Dominance cues are just as easily perceptible online as in real life

        they’re not, but a reasonable facsimile thereof could be crafted.

        online game can be exploited, but for most men who aspire to skillfulness in the art of seduction they will do better in real life where it’s easier to mold female perception and get her to discard her “ideal alpha” template.

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      • Dominance cues are just as easily perceptible online as in real life. I am attracted to the guy who writes this blog even though I only interact with him online. Someone want to argue with that?

        The guy who writes this blog is an outlier in ‘skill-level’ terms. Your reasoning problem is —- Exception that Disproves the Rule.

        Even in this context, the analogy to online dating is suspect. You read multiple posts because the blog had a thriving community. Your attraction probably developed over the course of reading multiple posts.

        Each post is far longer than the average “opener” message in online dating. The “messenger” fails to receive the e-social proof that a blog does, which would motivate you to closely read his messages/profile.

        So the notion that they’re easily perceptible is questionable. Now we turn to whether dominance cues matter as much in online dating. Probably not — you just listed several preferences that are inviolable online; so, even if you can perceive “dominance cues” easily, you can also negate those cues easily.

        If you want to get laid from online super fast, just post good pics. However, most guys don’t understand how to take pics and what a ‘good pic’ is.

        1. If you have abs, always have a pic of just your bare torso on display.
        2. Have one pic where you’re among two or three cute girls smirking like a rascal — preferable if you have some kino in the pic
        3. Have one pic where you’re with a group of cool-looking guys looking super dominant. Best kind of pic is a pic where you’re reacting to a sports game and you’re in a triumphant pose.
        4. Have a pic of just you in good lighting with a cocky smirk.

        The order of the pics should be 2, 3, 1, 4. Your main pic should always be the pic with the girls.

        I’m telling you all…girls are dumb. Not in the IQ sense, just in the ‘led by social cues’ sense. You will be shocked at how much your response rate improves.

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      • couple of caveats. ab pics are low class signals. there’s as good a chance they’ll turn off SWPL chicks as attract fat mammajama girls. now, don’t get me wrong. SWPL girls like abs as much as prole girls. they just don’t like them conspicuously advertised. if you’re gonna go the bare torso look, make sure it’s in context with some physical outdoor activity, like boating. then you have plausible deniability.

        also, the best profile solo shot, according to SCIENCE, is one where you are looking away into the distance, not smiling. girls for some reason are attracted to men who look like they’re distracted by a distant omen.

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      • on October 14, 2014 at 3:22 pm The Spirit Within

        @Scray

        Your abs advice is terrible. I’ve lost count of the number of women who, without prompting, volunteered that they loved the fact that I did NOT have a shirtless pic on my profile. Translated from chickspeak, that means, “Naked torso is try-hard, please leave something to the imagination because my own girly tendency to spin fantasies of what lies beneath will lube my vagina much better than a photo of your actual abs will”.

        A close-fitting V-neck is enough, especially if you’ve got defined pectorals.

        Some girls also really like strong hands. They’ll even say that outright (unlike pectorals, which are rarely mentioned). When they start playing with my hands, I know it’s in the bag.

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      • SWPL girls like abs as much as prole girls. they just don’t like them conspicuously advertised.

        I’d agree with you that they “don’t ‘like them conspicuously advertised.” But the reason for this — admittedly, speculation — is because it’s an obvious flip-script. Online dating is definitely not the place for men to become “the prize.” That’s why I believe liberal-types will shit test you about it when you message them. They shit test the fuck out of me — which is great!

        if you’re gonna go the bare torso look, make sure it’s in context with some physical outdoor activity, like boating. then you have plausible deniability.

        Sure. You can do that. And that might be better in another context. Like if you have normalfag photos (just you lounging with your bros and with your pet and blah blah blah), then yeah…don’t try to just pose up.

        I don’t think you need to worry about plausible deniability in this context. The pic package works as a package. I’m selling my narcissism/overconfidence too — shamelessness becomes a strength. Here’s a guy who hangs with bad bitches, is boisterous with his bros, and knows he’s the shit. Result? Chicks dig it.

        also, the best profile solo shot, according to SCIENCE, is one where you are looking away into the distance, not smiling

        Yeah that’s true. For some reason I was trying to convey that with “good lighting.” Looking to the side and smirking seems to work best for me. Specifically, the kind of glance you’d give a hot girl if you wanted to let her know what was up.

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      • @Scray, having done online dating for a while my self, I’ve had the same observations as you.

        Been reading your old FRs from the beginning – informative and inspiring to see you grow.

        You mentioned in one of them that you’re short (5′ 4″ I think? Can’t find the FR where you mention that, so I may be imagining) – Anyway, how are you going about selling that online? I’ve got around to my lack of height by just owning it and having a profile with personality. Curious to see how you deal with it and get results.

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      • You mentioned in one of them that you’re short (5′ 4″ I think? Can’t find the FR where you mention that, so I may be imagining) – Anyway, how are you going about selling that online?

        I added an inch or two — so 5’5/5’6. Then, I’d just target girls between 5’0 and 5’5.

        I’ve got around to my lack of height by just owning it and having a profile with personality. Curious to see how you deal with it and get results.

        Depending on the situation, I may not say anything about it at all (besides just listing it there). 70-80% of the time I will get shit-tested on this (AFTER the shirtless pic). I’ll deal with it and move on.

        If she’s responding, she’s probably looked at your profile. FIRST thing she looks at after the pics is your height — she may even look at that first. If she responds, she knows, and she accepts.

        My actual profile is actually somewhat earnest. I just feed into the fantasy of ‘cad looking to settle down.’

        Widens the net.

        I was using online dating to the most success late last year early this year. My social life picked up this year, and I’m trying to build a solid VIP-class social crew (seems like all the hottest chicks are locked in these circles. you gotta break in).

        Conversely, how many women have you gotten with that would never have worked on paper when examined by either party?

        The 8’s. Ya.

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      • I’ll add that a) I do live in a place where you can actually find legit hot chicks online and that b) online dating is good for 6-8 range for me in this environment. Anything above that and even if you look good, it’s hard to overcome certain things — height/ethnicity.

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      • little spoon: “blah blah blah blah blah blah blah…”

        Father Time: “Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock…”

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    • on October 14, 2014 at 3:47 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Conversely, how many women have you gotten with that would never have worked on paper when examined by either party? For me, almost every one. Even my high school girlfriends. There was always some “X” element that wouldn’t never have worked if you spelled it out, but came across fine or inconsequential in person.

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  7. on October 14, 2014 at 2:13 pm Just Went Rogue

    A more faggoty and succinct way to express this is that there is a lack of serendipity.

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  8. Technical Note to CH: I’ve noticed when I go into reader mode on my ipad, text will sometimes be there that isn’t visible in regular browsing mode. Don’t know if other readers have this problem, but I shudder to think I might miss a single sentence of Chateau wisdom.

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  9. “Online dating does not penalize women as much as it does men, because women were always judged first and foremost on their looks.”

    It can actually be an advantage since pictures can be taken in ways that can make them look better than they are. A good angle can hide some of that chubbiness. Not to mention photoshop.

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    • Would be great to hear a male teacher after his arrest for roguring nubile teens that his marital needs weren’t being met, he was vulnerable, in need of attention…it was a cry for help.

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    • on October 15, 2014 at 4:28 am haunted trilobite

      “As crazy as this might sound to some people, he’s very intelligent. I could have real conversations with him about real life issues.”= ‘as crazy as this might sound, I stopped developing mentally around 18, like a ll women, so I’ve rationalized that the nonsense I talked about with this alpha buck was ‘intelligent’. I’m also not afraid to have another dig at my husband, by publicly touting the prowess of my alpha studmuffin.’

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    • Paging @Martin …. special Snowflake alert… what was her N count when they married? Was she a virgin?

      “It turned into more of a business relationship than a marriage,” she said. “With us deteriorating in our marriage and having less and less of a relationship, I didn’t feel attractive. I didn’t feel wanted.”

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  10. on October 14, 2014 at 3:09 pm The Spirit Within

    In five months of online dating — one website, in [foreign country X] — I’ve been besieged by over 500 interested women. I’ve narrowed them down to about 30 really strong leads. I’ve closed 4 so far and I still have two more months here before returning to the U.S.

    I’m not revealing all of this to crow, or to preen (well, maybe a little), but instead to corroborate Heartiste’s final paragraph. Yes, online game reaalllly works for a select few of us men — those who can project cockiness through the written word, those who look sufficiently smirky, those are who tall and handsome, etc. In my life it has replaced night game completely, since I’m sure as hell not 24 anymore.

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  11. If online dating really worked for most guys wouldn’t the online dating sites be inviting in independent researchers to study success rates and then broadcasting the results? I’ve done lots of checking on the internet and have found nothing but anecdotes. The anecdotes often give conflicting advice about what works, though you can see certain patterns if you look at enough of them. I did find one study involving one of the big sites (Match) that showed that one in fifty emails eventually led to a date. This makes sense to me because it’s so easy to go on a site and shoot out a hundred emails to women. I’ve had average looking women tell me they get twenty emails per day on these sites. This would make it difficult to stand out if you are one of those guys emailing. For the average guy, online dating would only work if the numbers of emails sent could be limited. This would keep female egos in check better if their inboxes weren’t being flooded and enable guys to target the women they are actually most interested in instead of sending out a hundred emails to compete with all the other guys sending out a hundred emails.

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  12. Your abs advice is terrible. I’ve lost count of the number of women who, without prompting, volunteered that they loved the fact that I did NOT have a shirtless pic on my profile.

    I disagree with your translation. I file comments like that with “thank god you’re not a player like other guys around here” comments.

    I agree though that women will OFTEN comment about it. They often assume I’m a conceited asshole player. Oh no…not that.

    I would agree with you if like….my only cool pic was a pic of me posing with my abs. But you have to take it as a package. Mackin’ on chicks, partying with bros, shamelessly posing with abs, etc….it’s all suggestive of a certain persona that chicks instantly grok. The abs pic is NOT NECESSARY for success. What it does is give her an easy way to shit test me. From there I can just escalate to the meetup and bang super fast.

    I talked about the roll I went on end of last year and beginning of this one from online shit. It was because I discovered this trick (I think).

    I got the idea from an earlier CH blogpost where the dude messages “I am god.” Everyone said the guy was goodlooking, but he just was posed with a cocky smirk (actually I think he was a model superimposed onto an average guy…and the smirk kind of just got added in as an after effect).

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    • the other issue with that idea is just taking women at their word instead of their actions. i don’t have abs, but i have experience with women thanking me for being X, with X being what they like to think they’re attracted to. but what got them in my bed was something far less savory, that they don’t want to admit they like. so in their minds they take the existing attraction and try to fit it to a self-image where they’re not a slut.

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    • I don’t use a shirtless pic just because there’s no real point in it. I already have height and looks. I just post pics of me all around the world basically for self-aggrandizement, aka I been places and you haven’t.

      The profile has like 20 words in it; nobody gives a shit what you say. I open with some quip about something I read in her profile just to pretend like I read all that blather. if they respond, cool, if not IDGAF, next.

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  13. “also, the best profile solo shot, according to SCIENCE, is one where you are looking away into the distance, not smiling. girls for some reason are attracted to men who look like they’re distracted by a distant omen.”

    Also precisely the pose of the front-cover heroinne on most romance novel bodice-rippers.

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  14. Slightly off-topic: If the engagement/wedding ring is bigger, the marriage is more likely to implode:

    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/26714801/big-engagement-rings

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    • HA! I should send this to my buddy that just got hitched in Italy. His woman, already hitting that wall a la Emilio Estevez in Freejack, kept giving him shit about him still not having proposed and wanting a big, expensive ring. He told me he shelled out well over 10gs, in cash cause he’s an idiot. First time I met her, she seemed cool, a good fit for him. Then the next time, her true colors showed up. She wanted a, in her own words, “perfect for her” proposal, which involved a handsome cab ride in NYC and champagne and all that googily moogily. I’m sure his wedding cost a mint and he’s beta enough to have obliged in every sense of the way. Thing is, dood was a mad cad before he left for NYC and met that slut. Not sure what made him revert. I wonder if there is such a thing as an alpha turning beta well before he’s a married man. Three buddies just got married in these last two years and I doubt they’ll be married any longer than seven years.

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  15. Some dating sites that let you put up filters on who can contact you. This allows the freakishly ugly and fat, along with post-Wall ex-carousel riders, to stroke their egos by putting up lists that are so absurdly long and unrealistic you’d swear they were parodies. The smoking hot 18 year olds never have any filters. (And yes, I know many of them are fake, but the real ones don’t have any filters either.)

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  16. Online dating is good as a complement to meeting women in real life, but real life is better. It’s also true that average men will mostly be stuck with low quality women online. The only way for average men to get attractive women is through connections, I.e. social circle. Otherwise, you’re stuck with fat girls online or abrasive cunts shooting you down for fun.

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  17. Women online are quite clear in their minds what they’re after. I game them in a very specific way. The “mystery” element of getting a message from some stranger aligns with the kind of cues that turn women on.

    Also, in Asia, women who are in their 20’s and hot are online. I’ve met a variety of interesting women including the 26 year old bondage freak. Her profile was quite generic. But by gaming her online and by text the first time we met up, it was for rough banging.

    Online gaming girls under 30 gave me the confidence to game girls under 30 in real life.

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    • Asian girls for white men who are decent smv are probably the easiest to game/fuck

      At least from my experiences. And I’m not that into Asians

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      • All girls require game. Any unique “shininess” will only get you so far…and definitely not hot decent ones.

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  18. Canadian Friend is in jail.

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  19. Just re-post the ‘Cupid on Trial’ experiment, that’s all anyone needs to know about online ‘dating’ in a nutshell.

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  20. So wait, women can’t help whom they’re attracted to but then we have free will? Huh, seems like a contradiction.

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  21. Tinder in a college town is a fucking goldmine.

    Online game is good text game practice. The reason my text game is sick is because I practiced a shitload on online girls (even ones I didn’t actually intend to meet up with). The same skils directly translate to normal live pickup text game.

    Online girls are lower quality in general than what you’ll meet in real life. Anyone saying they’re pulling regular 8+/10 girls online is full of shit unless they live in Vegas…actually it’s possible on Tinder if you live near a university. Tinder is full of prime chicks right now. It’ll be overtaken by fatties and old chicks within a year just like POF when they hear girls can get laid off it. There are legit hotties looking to bone on Tinder.

    The 9s and 10s online are generally just on there for validation and entertainment, or to build their social networks and are very hard if not almost impossible to turn things sexual with unless by sheer fluke you happen to be their visual type and happen to catch them on a night they’re horny and have nothing else going on and you manage to meet up with them before they change moods. Best bet is to get them to shit-test you and pass the tests and intrigue them enough to meet up…if they just have pleasant conversation you will never meet up or will be friendzoned asexual. Better to get rejected for being too sexual and aggressive than rejected for being an asexual mangina talking about puppydogs and ice cream.

    While online game translates directly to real life text game, online game does NOT translate to actual real life GAME. Having 200 matches on Tinder will not help you cold approach a hottie you see at Starbucks or handle all the obstacles and nuances of pulling a dolled up 9 from a club.

    Do not replace going out with online game or you’ll be limiting yourself in the longrun, but feel free to use it as a supplement on the side, especially Tinder because Tinder is a low time investment.

    Don’t bother with online game if you’re not white or under 5’9″. It’s going to do more damage to your confidence than anything because as CH’s article explains women are comparing you to an ideal. You aren’t even appearing in her searches. She’s like the “no girl” from a few articles ago. In person you can demonstrate high value and that EXACT same girl will fuck you and tell you she loves that you’re a short Asian midget but online she’ll probably reject you. Don’t waste your time, go socialize and cold approach, you will become way better and more confident than you ever could through online game even if you were banging the 6s and 7s on there.

    Don’t waste time. Don’t message back and forth for a month. Go for the number on a high note in your first conversation. She’ll probably shit-test you about it. Learn to hold your frame and pass that shit-test. Getting her number in the first convo instantly sets you apart as a guy who makes shit happen and goes for what he wants, and having a direct line to her personal number makes you a part of her world instead of another name in her inbox. Even on Tinder, where she has the app on her phone and it handles messaging, get her personal number…she can be seduced into sending sexy pics that way (you don’t send any, you’re a man) and when she inevitably deletes her profile you will still be in her contacts. It also lures her away from the site…ie – would you rather that to see your interesting message she goes into her inbox with 200 other guys sending her messages or would you rather she stop opening that inbox because she’s having fun txting you and she doesn’t have to open her inbox to see your txts?

    Push for the meetup ASAP and extend it only if you have to. ie – push for coming over for a movie, if she hesitates lol it off and say ok drinks in a public place with witnesses. Don’t offer the public place unless you have to because 1) some girls will be up for coming over if you gamed them solid and 2) even if they want to meet up public you’ve shown your intention so them showing up means they’re potentially interested in getting fucked because they know your intentions.

    Pick a venue near your place, don’t go out of your way to meet up…if she won’t bite keep gaming and try again until she does.

    Don’t to to a venue she picks. She will always pick a venue where he has high value like a bar she’s a regular in and you have to compete with the charismatic bartenders and other orbiters she knows or girlfriends of hers. Do NOT come to her. If she txts you drunk saying she’s horny and wants you to come to Some Bar, this is a trap. She’s trying to show her friends she can have guys orbit her. She’s probably invited a few guys to see who bites and let them fight over her and she still goes home with her girls. Get her to invest SOMETHING even if it’s “no there’s a line. Meet me at the McDonald’s.” If she’ll go there then she’s down to bone just escalate and take her home. If she won’t and insists you come to her, she’s tooling you just bail and meet up another time on your terms.

    Run standard game exactly like you would in person. Build attraction, innuendo/misinterpretation, tease, push/pull, spike their buying temperature, qualify them, disqualify yourself, build deep comfort/rapport, and push the interaction forward. Don’t get caught in pointless conversation, always be progressing the sarge toward the goal. You can lay 90% of the groundwork thru text. A lot of online chicks are cool with one drink to make sure you aren’t a serial killer or 400lbs neckbeard and they’re down to leave to bone with no LMR, if you run solid text game.

    You don’t have to respond to every text. Don’t answer stupid shit. Make them qualify to you, put them on their toes. You aren’t impressing them, they’re impressing YOU cause you’re a busy dude with shit to do and they need to give you reasons to give them your time.

    There’s some online shit off the top of my head. I used to do a ton of it while also going out when I was hyperfocused. But I’m too busy focusing on career stuff to go out much right now and OKCupid is gay and POF is full of ugly fatties, so I just use Tinder these days because it’s hip with the kids and full of 18-25yos. No ab pics and I’m a generic looking white guy but my profile blurb is clever and I’m in an area with a bunch of college chicks, I’ve had plenty of success on there.

    If you’re under 30, decent looking, single (if a girlfriend catches you on tinder like her friend sees you, you’re fucked, it’s a hookup app) and you’re NOT on Tinder, you are an idiot. Like I say, don’t replace going out with Tindering, but use it as a supplement and text game trainer.

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    • @yareally you have mastered game principles really, you really have.

      “actually it’s possible on Tinder if you live near a university.”

      This is false. I can tell you are somewhat distant from being in a university (if at all). The hottest, highest value girls on college campuses are in highest concentration in the sororities. Period. (For schools with good Greek systems in other words the good schools in big cities).

      These girls do not need tinder or don’t follow through with it much because they are fucking a frat bro(s) or some other guy who is high value in her life (she met via social circle or in-person gaming). And no. Not all sorority girls are “sorority sluts”, but they do meet more alpha-like socially savvy, have-a-fun-time men easier than other girls, so that predisposes them too. But I’ve known virgin sorority girls and I’ve know 30 notch count sorority girls. I’m sure amy can attest to this ha.

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      • Dude just because you have trouble banging college girls doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

        Where did you go to college? I imagine maybe if you went to Notre Dame or some uber religious school like that it might be different.

        I went to an ivy in the northeast, your high smv sorority hotties are not exactly difficult to bang. My friend sitting next to me right now was in a frat at UPenn and definitely agrees, he admits he’s not much of a player but even he banged ten or so sorority girls at parties while he lived in the frat house.

        You come across here as a social but not very sexual guy who thinks that getting laid is way more difficult than it actually is

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      • I know for a fact that hot girls in college fuck the high status guys in their social groups. Yes, they have social groups. They do not need to go on tinder to find a high status fun guy. They can also be secretive in college so they won’t get judged by their gfs.

        If you are on tinder and gaming girls in college (definitellllyyy sorority girls) they are probably huddled around the computer laughing at all the convos.

        And then they go out and hook up at a party if they feel like it or if the right guy with game comes along (which 95% of the time he will die to being at a party).

        I know this b/c I recently was there high status and all.

        I don’t use tinder because I’ve never had to. I go to a college football tailgate and there’s probably 40 hot college girls drinking from my alumni keg….

        Kind of like the “looks matter” topic is “poopy talk” I’m beginning to classify some of kant as “poopy talk”. Although, you do have some valuable game principles and advice.

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      • And @kant if you’ve been on this thread I usually bitch about getting the girl to chase you ONCE you’ve fucked her.

        In other words i don’t think its necessarily hard to fuck these girls…my interest on this blog mostly comes from learning what makes a girl chase you (most of the time girls you’ve already banged). That insight/knowledge/wisdom is more valuable to me then a super high notch count and super duper pua-is-my-life-mission tactics

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      • @will ” if you’ve been on this thread I usually bitch about getting the girl to chase you ONCE you’ve fucked her.”

        _______

        I think you have a pretty limited and unsophisticated world view, with that, it will be hard to achieve your objective above. You should get down off your high horse of so called “good schools” and “frat bros” and realize the hottest hottest hottest girls are not even in college to begin with (they are modelling or in entertainment of some sort and live in LA, Vegas, South Beach, NYC, London, Paris etc.). And that the hottest girls that are in college are not wasting it on some frat douche with a keg… They are fucking men, be they profs, or real men from the area, men with lives and experience. and guess what, these men have these hot tootsies CHASING them. and they are pining to their GF’s about their relationship with these guys, who keep keep keep them chasing. Sure they may also hook up on campus as well, but they know their value (in the aggregate) and what they want.

        And BTW the hottest of hot college girls are NOT at your big city good schools (inferring you mean ivyish schools in the NE), they are in big state schools in Tucson, Gainsville, Tallahassee, Oxford, Tuscaloosa etc… let me know when Playboy does a credible “Women of Brown”…

        Get out some, travel, get some experience under you. Shelve your limiting beliefs for the time being. Test your environment, run experiments, then make your judgement. You already admit what you are doing is not meeting your objective.

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      • @will

        The difference is that you’re here telling people about all this shit that you say can’t be done, because you haven’t seen it or experienced it so you don’t think it’s possible. You and your frat bros banged sorority girls at frat parties and that’s your experience, so you assume thats the only way these girls get banged.

        I’ll give you an example. An hb8 sorority girl I knew in college hooked up with frat bros like all the other girls. But she lost her virginity to an older guy from ok cupid in freshman year (lol he brought her back home telling her he’s a masseuse and going to give her a professional massage). I know this because she’s a good friend of mine, but only her very close friends know about it. My guess is you aren’t close friends with a lot of women so you don’t hear about a lot of crazy shit that happens. These days she graduated and mostly meets guys online because this is NYC and that’s what people do.

        YaReally, Sentient, Scray and I disagree with you because we’ve been out there gaming and have seen shit that’s outside of your experience. Sorority hotties also bang TAs, hot older guys in town (especially NYC college girls do), professors, famous DJs, foreign guys when they study abroad or are on vacation, etc.

        “In other words i don’t think its necessarily hard to fuck these girls…my interest on this blog mostly comes from learning what makes a girl chase you (most of the time girls you’ve already banged). That insight/knowledge/wisdom is more valuable to me then a super high notch count and super duper pua-is-my-life-mission tactics”

        Ok fine, but thats not what you said before. You said hot college girls can’t be gamed online, or only bang frat boys and athletes who are in college, which is the reason we disagreed with you in the first place

        If you want insight on how to make girls chase you long term you are in the wrong place. Modern PUA forums like Sedfast mostly focus on long term (open) relationships, making girls chase etc. The Chateau is still stuck on Mystery Method / cocky funny game circa 2005

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    • “Brossehrs, zees up here ess veeery tight shit.” – JD

      Come on Ya write the book…

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      • @Kant – dude, that’s really useful stuff. I don’t really Tinder (it’s not great where I live) but maybe I should try it. Atleast for practice with one of those apps on your computer that can let you set your location anywhere you want in the world)

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    • Really? I fit that age range but I am not on Tinder. I am just too sceptical of it. The women on there are clearly highly promiscuous and I really doubt that the numbers work out. But the promiscuity is enough to turn me away from it. You would have to assume any woman you meet on there has potentially many other partners at the same time.

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      • Martin – you’ve got some hang ups. Are you a virgin? Talk to us, there are guys here who are spending time trying to help dudes. understand that women love sex, it’s not dirty, it’s fun for everyone.

        Why not try Tinder as an experiment, just see how it goes and then report back?

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      • As we’ve told you before, you suffer from the beta trap of thinking in terms of promiscuous vs. non-promiscuous women, which is an artificial distinction high value girls trick betas into believing in.

        They know than in order to secure beta provisioning, they have to convince betas of their ‘purity’. Cute girls trick betas into thinking they are ‘pure’ to get the beta bux. The girls you think are ‘sluts’ are lower SMV girls who aren’t smart enough or competent enough to do this. In the meantime they freely engage in ‘secret society’ casual sex and one night stands with alphas.

        Women are so effective at this that even guys like CH believe the bullshit. The only guys who don’t are either natural alphas who have had varied sexual experiences with all types of girls their whole lives, or PUAs who go out a lot and eventually have ‘seen it all’

        Unless they are extremely young, high value hot girls have notches– 1. Because they get hit on by alphas all the time, and alphas know how to get a girl into bed, and 2. because they are hot and are more confident in their sexuality than average girls (i.e. there many girls with higher social status than them that can slut shame them). They’re just really good at hiding it.

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      • As we’ve told you before, you suffer from the beta trap of thinking in terms of promiscuous vs. non-promiscuous women, which is an artificial distinction high value girls trick betas into believing in.

        What’s funny is that accepting this whole paradigm is to accept a host of contradictions — if a woman’s looks are 80 percent of her value, then logically, her sexual history can’t count for that much anyway.

        [CH: not for short term flings. a woman’s sexual history only becomes an issue for men if she is in the running as a prospective LTR or wife. the greater the man’s commitment, the more of a woman’s character traits he’ll judge.]

        If this is the outgrowth of some sort of “impulsiveness” gene, then “promiscuity” is also correlated with other “good” and “fun” behaviors and vice versa for “chastity,” which strongly implies a wash.

        [the madonno/whore “complex” exists for sound evolutionary reasons. it is advantageous to men to determine which girls are good to go, and which girls are good to sow.]

        If you have a hot girl who gets your blood going, you really are not going to give a fuck about her past (barring extreme outlier shit like STDs, heavy problematic drug use, etc. etc and even then it’s not because of ‘the past.’) I believe that what many men are mad about is that they have settled for a lower-SMV girl because they think the lower-SMV girl will be more loyal, which they judge based on the sexual history; when that reasoning goes up in smoke, they are pissed. But the root of the anger is in settling for a chick who isn’t smokin’ hot — it’s not because of the chick’s past.

        [the resentment that brews in a man when he’s dating a slut with a history is subtler and less immediate than the resentment that erodes his happiness when he’s settled for an ugly girl. but the resentment in the former case is real and its effects on the relationship are just as corrosive, albeit much time can pass before those effects become symptomatic.]

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      • if she is in the running as a prospective LTR or wife

        Okay. So LTR-value is not 80% looks for a woman?

        [CH: looks are still just as important, (in fact, more important), but other traits start to come into focus. now scray, i hope you’re not trying to play a hater’s game of gotcha.]

        . it is advantageous to men to determine which girls are good to go, and which girls are good to sow.

        Or it could just be that girls beneath you are ‘good to go,’ and the girl close to your SMV is good to sow.

        [no. every man has a looks threshold. so even one night stands are going to be attractive enough to pop a boner. (black men appear to violate this rule more often than other races of men.) when men are interested in LTR material, a woman’s looks become even more crucial, but then so do a bunch of other characteristics, like loyalty, sexual history, femininity, and kindness. this is why it’s so difficult for women to extract commitment from high value men.]

        Madonna-Whore, in evolutionary terms can be — high-quality mate but tougher access and lower-quality mate but easier access. High-quality chicks are going to be much tougher to “access,” but they have the highest chance of producing great offspring. Lower-quality chicks are less fit and will produce less fit offspring but will put out easier.

        It all comes back to what, exactly, makes a chick high-quality. If it’s mostly her looks, then that’s that. They aren’t tougher to access because they’re ‘less promiscuous.’ They’re tougher to access because they’re high SMV/hot-as-fuck. You’re trained to view hot chicks as ‘Madonnas,’ regardless of whatever else about them. That gibes with what makes betas beta — they see a hot girl and INSTANTLY want to BUY HER THE WORLD. You’re trained to view lower value chicks as ‘whores.’

        Seems like the complex may just be the cognitive dissonance of a man’s rationalizations for picking a lower quality girl being destroyed. What makes you view her as shit is that she’s lower SMV. Her slutty past doesn’t make her shitty — she was already shitty, which is precisely WHY she has a slutty past; she’s lower SMV. She’s easy pickin’ for guys around your SMV (which is who you probably hang out with).

        A girl closer to your SMV is -not- easy pickins for guys around your SMV.
        It’s a chicken-egg thing.

        I’m not saying this is definitely the 100% right view, but it seems just as reasonable.

        [it has nothing to do with rationalization and everything to do with resource investment pressures evolutionarily selecting for men who care about a woman’s odds of straying. men who didn’t care… well, they got cuckolded and disappeared from the gene pool.]

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      • looks are still just as important, (in fact, more important), but other traits start to come into focus. now scray, i hope you’re not trying to play a hater’s game of gotcha

        Nah, just trying to clarify. To me it’s ambiguous to say looks become more important but everything else starts to come into focus. Do you mean that, maybe for short-term hookups, looks are like 80% and everything else equally 20%, and then in LTR’s looks are still 80% (maybe more) but shit like ‘loyalty’ or ‘femininity’ takes up a greater share of the 20% (maybe less)?

        every man has a looks threshold. so even one night stands are going to be attractive enough to pop a boner

        Yeah, sure. It’s a continuum — at the bottom, lowest-quality-my-genes-can-handle x least-possible-effort, and at the top, highest-quality-genes-that-my-maximum-effort-can-get.

        I don’t think black guys are violating the threshold, under your rubric here. They just have a lower floor.

        this is why it’s so difficult for women to extract commitment from high value men

        This is where we disagree. I think it’s so difficult for these women because those women are just lower value — as in, not up to the high-value dude’s looks standard for commitment (which is somewhere closer to the highest-quality-genes-my-maximum-effort-can-get ceiling than it is to the floor).

        everything to do with resource investment pressures evolutionarily selecting for men who care about a woman’s odds of straying. men who didn’t care… well, they got cuckolded and disappeared from the gene pool.

        Getting the hot chick is its own guarantee that she will be less likely to stray, though. What I’m saying is consistent with what you have said here. The uglier your wifey is, the more likely she is to just put it out for your peer group — her hypergamy is more easily satisfied. The hotter she is, the less likely she is to do so — it’s hard to satisfy her hypergamy.

        You don’t even think that’s reasonable?

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      • @ martin

        “You would have to assume any woman you meet on there has potentially many other partners at the same time.”

        They do. But kant and others are right when they talk about your mindset. The difference between online girls and girls not online is that you KNOW the girls online are usually on there for attention, b/c they’ve been pump and dumped lots of times or recently, or because they’re ugly, or just because attention. Again, hot girls can have high notch counts. So, yes there can be hot girls on online dating.

        But there are hot girls with lower notch counts, they are just better and more able to leverage their beauty (i guess? That last sentence mind be off). CH posted about hot sluts and hot girls that aren’t sluts and he’s right.

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      • on October 15, 2014 at 10:11 pm Just Went Rogue

        “They know than in order to secure beta provisioning, they have to convince betas of their ‘purity’. Cute girls trick betas into thinking they are ‘pure’ to get the beta bux. The girls you think are ‘sluts’ are lower SMV girls who aren’t smart enough or competent enough to do this. In the meantime they freely engage in ‘secret society’ casual sex and one night stands with alphas.”

        This is such a nerdy and autistic outlook. You can’t codify human behavior, I don’t care what cult-of-PUA you’re currently buying into. The secret society thing is particularly laughable. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, if she chooses not to give it out freely in one night stands and casual encounters, it means she has character. Not all people are nihilistic hedonists looking for the next momentary dopamine rush. As CH said, there are biological undercurrents that compel men to look down on slutty behavior. It seems like a lot of PUA types are over compensating for their previous beta lives by going way to the extreme in the other direction. They take women off one pedestal and place them on another.

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    • Yes, I met and banged 3 hot girls from Tinder. But, there are the usual array of time waster and prostitutes and lady boys etc. It’s just a tool like anything else not a substitute for anything but a good way to optimize results if you know what you’re doing.

      I also got really good at text game through Tinder and OKC.

      Great opening I always use on Tinder: “You look like trouble…”

      or “You have that look my mom warned me about”

      Her: What look is that??

      Me: Sweet and proper in public, sex crazed maniac in private but you do have very [insert feminine feature here] sexy long hair. I picture you sipping a margarita at [insert bar here]

      This opener copied and modified from something I read on Krauser’s blog is pure gold….

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    • YaReally nails it as ever.

      I’ve been doing online game a lot over the last year or so (mainly because I travel a lot for work and can’t do regular game then) and it’s helped a lot with my texting skills, escalation skills (including in person because I can pipeline a load of first dates for when I have free time) and sexualization.

      BUT, overall quality of girls definitely lower and it is definitely harder if you don’t fit their mental image of the guy they are looking for (I’m not white). Before the race-hate loons step in I should say that I’ve never felt my ethnicity to be an issue in person when I go out – it’s simply an irrelevancy and women look at the whole package. But it’s *definitely* harder online.

      Mind you, I have a wicked profile, a great opener, great chat skills and a lot of practice (plus decent, albeit not amazing, pics) so I still get several phone numbers a week – but I could do WAY better, way easier if I were white.

      I’m still working on it though – I need to get better at building comfort and getting her to qualify to me (to reduce flaking on first dates – currently running at 50% – I routinely schedule two dates per day when I’m focussed on it and it is rare for both to come through) and also try to get to the stage I can turn her on enough to credibly attempt to get her to come directly to my place for the first meet (right now I’ve just started to be able to get sexy pics and topless pics from girls I’ve not met).

      YaReally dude – I’ve read pretty much everything you’ve written in the archives about text game (the stuff about turning *everything* into sexual innuendo and alternating with innocuous questions is gold) but do you have any specific tips for going from teasing her about wearing a sexy nurse uniform at work or spanking her (my standard scenarios) to “harder” sexualization and getting her to a point where she’s (a) horny and (b) comfortable enough to come directly to mine?

      [CH: temporarily defusing sexual tension and innuendo with innocuous questions is potent game. it circles back to the principle that girls love ambiguous men.]

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      • Hey! My first post with a reply from CH himself!

        I feel like i’ve passed some initiation rite..

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      • @Culum Struan

        I don’t have the patience to develop text game thats good enough for that, believe me I’ve given it more than a shot. I have had girls come straight to mine to bang but those were one off cases of girls already being horny pretty much and me recognizing that and pulling the trigger.

        My text game is good enough to get girls to meet up, so I just do the standard MO of meeting for something innocent enough then gaming them in person, since I know theres like a 95% chance I’ll get the lay if I get the chance to game her face to face lol

        But if you’re not a lazy fuck read romance novels and copy the way things are written there, the wording, the pace etc. Then get one of those apps that let you trick tinder into thinking youre in another city and practice on girls you’ll never get to meet anyway until you get good enough to do it for real

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    • Also for all the newbs out there if you are struggling with online dating and saying “wtf I’m applying all these game principles etc etc.” read what I wrote b/c that’s most likely happening

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    • @ sentient and kant

      I mentioned “frat” and “sorority girls” and “school” because

      Kant: “Dude just because you have trouble banging college girls doesn’t mean the rest of us do.”

      I don’t really have problems banging college girls that’s why I posted about that.

      Sentient: “You should get down off your high horse of so called “good schools” and “frat bros” and realize the hottest hottest hottest girls are not even in college to begin with (they are modelling or in entertainment of some sort and live in LA, Vegas, South Beach, NYC, London, Paris etc.).”

      Yes these are big cities, they will have hot girls in them. Again, if I wanted tons of bangouts I would get into porn….ya know?

      Sentient: “And that the hottest girls that are in college are not wasting it on some frat douche with a keg… They are fucking men, be they profs, or real men from the area, men with lives and experience. and guess what, these men have these hot tootsies CHASING them.”

      haha. yup my 50 yr old prof was definitely banging out girls in his office like everyday……You sound like you watch a lot of pornos and then apply these pornos to life situations.

      This whole thing came up because I am saying that online dating is most likely going to be a waste of time for those guys who’s life missions are not PUA.

      “AND THAT THE HOTTEST GIRLS THAT ARE IN COLLEGE ARE NOT WASTING IT ON SOME FRAT DOUCHE WITH A KEG”

      Holy dear lord.

      Sentient, you are bordering permanent “poopy talk” for my reading, but you do have valuable principles generally.

      Go to a big football schools tailgate, walk around for 30 minutes and report back to me.

      You will see probably 40 Hb 8-9’s hovering around the “frat douches” keg(s).

      This is how I can smell “poopy talk”, comments like:

      “AND THAT THE HOTTEST GIRLS THAT ARE IN COLLEGE ARE NOT WASTING IT ON SOME FRAT DOUCHE WITH A KEG”

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      • Apologies for all the posts CH but one more thing.

        I actually have browsed the manosphere, and my ranking in terms of the concepts discussed (that make logical sense to me) are probably:

        1 CH

        2 rational male
        3 roosh

        Again, CH can’t apply to a lot of aspects of life. So, kant and sentient and yareally may have different goals than me. that’s fine….

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      • **CH CAN apply to a lot of aspects in life**

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      • yup my 50 yr old prof was definitely banging out girls in his office like everyday

        Loooool. Dude….profs and students are fucking. A lot.

        You will see probably 40 Hb 8-9’s hovering around the “frat douches” keg(s).

        And in that group, only a few dudes will be scoring hot babes. Game is everywhere.

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      • @scray

        “Profs and students are fucking a lot”

        No….they are not…. Additionally I have a sister who was in a sorority who went to a state public school and she’s told me some pretty brutal shit, prof and student fucking no. That doesn’t happen much. Maybe once or twice on some campuses a girl will get into that scandal (like that one 18 year old high schooler that went public). You are wrong scray and you make me feel concerned that your brainwashed by porn or something

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      • Oh boy…. where to start here. You are beginning to crack me up, so much stooopid, so little time. I was being charitable when I said you were unsophisticated with a limited worldview… you have been downgraded to naive. Look it up.

        You continue to maintain that things exist solely because you have seen them, and you don’t just discount the experience of others – of which you are unfamiliar -you denigrate it, deride it and are certain it can’t of happened.

        Oh to be 23 again… LOL

        Listen there is a whole world out there beyond your so called good schools and affluent girls and frat bros and friends who played basketball and couldn’t pull… Like it or not you will have to live in it. I suspect you won’t be happy though.

        realize the hottest hottest hottest girls are not even in college to begin with (they are modelling or in entertainment of some sort and live in LA, Vegas, South Beach, NYC, London, Paris etc.).”

        Yes these are big cities, they will have hot girls in them. Again, if I wanted tons of bangouts I would get into porn….ya know?

        ++++
        These are not just big cities, these are places that are the ne plus ultra, the intersection of money centers and media centers and art centers… These are places where the truly hot girls o to live and work. Philadelphia is the 5th largest us city, it is not on this list. There is a reason for this.

        Sentient: “And that the hottest girls that are in college are not wasting it on some frat douche with a keg… They are fucking men, be they profs, or real men from the area, men with lives and experience. and guess what, these men have these hot tootsies CHASING them.”

        haha. yup my 50 yr old prof was definitely banging out girls in his office like everyday……You sound like you watch a lot of pornos and then apply these pornos to life situations.

        ++++
        Here you go again, because you don’t know of something you don’t even believe it can be possible. How logical is that? I went to 4 colleges. I know of 3 profs that were regularly screwing undergrads, including my 40+ silver haired accounting prof (who bought and sold several businesses, drove a red convertible Porsche in the mid 1980’s, and taught class in his tennis whites). I also knew several hot college girls that dated cops.

        But whatever. I guess you missed logic because logic would dictate that frat bro is not the highest status guy on campus and that high SMV women will gravitate to the highest status guys. Who has more status, yet another junior in I Tappa Kegga, or the published guy in front of the room leading everyone, with an independent income on the side?

        But this is the chestnut…

        Go to a big football schools tailgate, walk around for 30 minutes and report back to me.

        You will see probably 40 Hb 8-9’s hovering around the “frat douches” keg(s).

        This is how I can smell “poopy talk”, comments like:

        “AND THAT THE HOTTEST GIRLS THAT ARE IN COLLEGE ARE NOT WASTING IT ON SOME FRAT DOUCHE WITH A KEG”

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        This makes me wonder just how big the tailgates are that you go to? I live in SEC and ACC country, and go to plenty of games, with wealthy friends, guys who go to every home game for decades and a lot of away games (flying private). While you and your bros are filling cups all afternoon, these guys are there in custom built RV’s, party buses and have houses in town just to party in on game day. You don’t even get to see the girls with these guys, who are also big boosters. Another level. You are just naive. I say this not because you merit a response, but in an effort to show you just how slight your understanding of the world is.

        Maybe CH can do a post on your great game discovery though, that girls will drink free beer from beta providers?

        And 40 8-9’s… OK, well put down that red solo cup fella, beer goggles are real… I suspect you think 6’s and 7’s are 8’s and 9’s, cause there for sure ain’t 40 8’s and 9’s there. Go look at what 8’s and 9’s actually look at and get back to me.

        http://www.wilhelmina.com/models.aspx?c=mi&nav=30&subid=10500&sexid=2

        http://www.wilhelmina.com/models.aspx?c=la&nav=30&subid=10321&sexid=2

        http://www.wilhelmina.com/models.aspx?c=ny&nav=4&subid=8673&sexid=2

        You should print out some of your posts and save them, look back at them in 5 years. Maybe then you will start to get it.

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      • Yeah logistically a professor is higher status cause he’s a professor but that no way in hell means he’s fucking his students/college girls.

        Girls LOVE LOVE LOVE frat guys in college because they throw FUN parties and can be exclusive with what girls they let in (if your high status you can.). Aka girls saying “omg you went on the tappa kappa keg formal dance with the social chair?! No way! Let us come to their next party so we can party after our test”

        They love the frat executive teams because these guys run the shows and run the “good times”.

        I know. It’s sad that your buddies have to pay for privAte jets and expensive tailgates when we just get there early with our pick up truck and 6 kegs and mass text the sororities and 50 HB 8-9s show up. Yes. Hb 8-9s. Don’t believe me? Look it up or walk around where fears are tailgating. I may have limited beliefs but I still hear some poopy talk from you.

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      • And if you’ve ever thrown a party….you know that girls don’t know how to throw parties and the alphas are the ones taking lead and getting kegs not “providers”. Again becoming delusional

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  22. Allow me to help. If you sleep with every man you’re attracted to then it may indeed be that you do not have free will. But if you manage to resist that attraction a time or two, then that MAY be evidence of the existence of your free will. See how it works? You have no control as to whether it rains or not, but you control your actions as to whether you go inside or stay and get soaked.

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    • on October 15, 2014 at 3:42 am haunted trilobite

      But your destiny may be arranged in such a way that because it’s raining, you’ll choose to go inside to the nearest shop where a big (or simply minor event awaits you). A thought can be easily placed in your head, such that you think it’s your own ‘ooh, it’s wet I better go browse this shop til it clears off’. Freewill may be an illusion for a puppet who can’t see the strings.

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  23. 10 year old white sub human hockey rink ape chokes out and punches 90 year old white woman to death:

    http://fox2now.com/2014/10/14/10-year-old-charged-with-criminal-homicide-of-90-year-old-woman/

    [CH: budding psychopath. but the numbers matter. far more black subhuman monkeys than white subhuman psychos.

    thwack give it a rest already. your trolling is obvious, insipid, and worst of all, dull. take this warning seriously.]

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    • I wouldn’t mind his trolling if he could make it funny. Now it’s just a broken record: repeat the same things over and over again even though what he says has been proven wrong already.

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  24. CH is pretty much a genius because this post is correct…

    Oh. And with online dating…. The High value girls have very prominent hamsters (as we all know), and they WILLLLL research your shit once you start talking.

    The girl who was screenshotting and sending me probably 30 funny convos with retard beta males…..I asked her if she was serious with ANY?!

    She said yes. 1 guy. And she had given me info on what her fathers occupation was based on researching his family through facebook and Google. (The dudes father was a very high up executive to a company)

    Just Another reason why online dating is most likely not worth it and a waste of time.

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    • ***given me info on HIS father’s**

      I don’t spell check

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    • Here’s a funny thing: I was talking to a girl I met in a chatroom (back when people still used chatrooms), and she gave me her MSN. When I saw her last name in the email address I asked if she was related to a well-known man who runs a finance magazine. YES, she said, that’s my dad! How do YOU know him?

      I said of course, he’s a public figure. She was quite shocked by this, that someone she didn’t know would know something about her family. I suppose it was better that she was shocked this way than in some other ways.

      But thinking about it, this era where you can look up people’s names, and write about people online with no limit to the crap you spout and everyone sees it when they search for that person, it’s insane. It’s sick. It shouldn’t be this way.

      In Estonia, or if it’s Latvia, they have a “thumbprint” technology, where you add something like a USB to a computer in order to use it, and it attaches your personal code invisibly to what you do online. That way authorities can track who has done something, if necessary. In this time of globalists, that is not a power they should have, but a sane government that actually looked out for Europe’s people should have it, and that would be the only solution to the sick things that go on online. In such a society people would have peace, and they would care nothing about the people outside the walls ranting and raving about “you are not allowed to do that!” Ordinary people like to go to work, go home and raise a family, while it’s mostly the leftist freaks who have time to attack people online. Stopping them would benefit everyone else.

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    • Will thinks that in order to bang hot rich girls you have to beat them at chess first

      Yeah, high value girls will definitely do that shit when deciding to date a greater beta or not. But a grungy alpha musician type in town for a show can still one night stand a girl like that no problem

      Such a limited world view

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      • No man. Just no.

        I said nothing about “hot rich girls”

        I simply told you about a girl who started online dating within the last 2 weeks and how she was handling it.

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  25. Pretty much for anyone who mentions that LOOKS for guys are super super very important to getting girls…I KNOW that they are very far from getting game (or just starting the climb up) and the nature of girls and I do know not to listen to any of there “poopy talk”

    [CH: men, like women, fall victim to psychological projection bias. men are primarily attracted to women’s looks, so many men reason that looks must also be the primary motivator of women’s desire. newbs who don’t have a lot of experience will latch onto the simplest and most conspicuous theories for female attraction, and that will tend to be that only the “studliest” men get the girls.]

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    • Men are the greatest artists, photographers, directors, designers, architects… anything requiring any visual appreciation will always be best done by men. Men can appreciate beauty, female and male, far better than women. The highest appreciation of male looks is from homosexuals, who…. are often artists, photogs, designers etc…

      Guys that are so hung up on the “looks is everything game” suffer from either low self esteem or latent homosexuality.

      [CH: “looks are everything” men fall into a few camps:

      – bitter incels who need an excuse for their failure that obviates their agency.

      – average, inexperienced betas who don’t know what cues of male attractiveness, and female attraction, to look for. all they are capable of seeing are the one or two really handsome men getting outsized attention at a bar, which clouds their vision and causes them to miss the other ten less handsome men doing well with women on the strength of their personalities. the reason inexperienced men only see “male looks” as the key to success is because they have so little familiarity with all those other male traits that trigger female attraction.

      – dumb men. male charisma is harder to perceive from across a bar. but male looks is can’t-miss. idiots glom onto the visible and think themselves philosophers of love.

      – latent homosexuals. small number, but they exist.

      – very good-looking men. this may seem paradoxical, until you realize that most very good-looking men (and remember that women are harsher judges of male looks than men are of women’s looks, so “very good-looking” would encompass only the top 5% of men) spend their lives relying on the path of easy resistance to sex with, as Mystery called them, fool’s mates. these men will leverage their looks to seal the deal with 6s and 7s, sometimes 8s, who discard their natural female coyness and ASD to openly flirt with them. given enough years of slaying easy prey with the only tool they know how to use, it’s predictable that they would dispense advice that amounts to “only looks matter”, conveniently missing the fact that plenty of men outside the top 5% in looks manage to bang cute girls.]

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  26. I am pushing 50, short, and balding. You would not believe how many women are attracted to me; including attractive young college age women. The amazing thing is I attract more young women now than when I was young. I wouldn’t do well with online dating…but in person I attract women because of my charisma and animal magnetism. I very much enjoy real life interaction and chemistry…on line is sterile in comparison.

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  27. This is a delight in its own right. It’s also a Game tool: ask a girl which style, of the four shown here, is hers:

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  28. BTW, I want to find a husband, but I also want to find someone who will love me for who I am. So I made a profile which is totally honest. But I don’t know the honesty will detract from my goal of finding a husband. Can you help me with my profile?

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    • on October 15, 2014 at 3:23 pm mendozatorres

      Sounds familiar to another post CH made awhile back, about a cad that a woman could not stop thinking about, even after he had died and she had since been divorced from her husband.

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  29. If you have good non verbals, face to face is best and vice versa, no?

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  30. Oh, Im a troll because your feelings got hurt? not enough pro white fap material up in here?

    I thought you were man enough to handle the truth, guess I was wrong?

    [CH: the truth is that blacks commit vastly more violent and depraved crimes as a proportion of their total population than do whites. and vastly more interracial crime against whites than do whites against blacks. yet you respond to this by trolling about rare cases of white psychopaths. now why don’t you tell me again who can’t handle the truth.

    enough with your lame schtick. either be witty, contribute something useful and relevant to the post, or GFTO black power faggots.]

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    • Thwack’s case is more complicated than standard black power militantism.
      His trolling makes so little sense that others have suspected his questionable heritage, probably a rare case of crypto-hasidic homeboyism with a nation of islam background.

      A nice cocktail for hallucinated dumbfuck retarded trolling. About time to show him the exit portals of the chateau.

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      • You remind me of this guy in school who used to walk around tripping people and laugh about it; then when I tripped him and pushed him down a flight of stairs he ran to the principals office and tried to get me suspended.

        Stop hating the players and hate the game you pussy.

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      • thwacky, no one believes your bragging about beating up the mean bully in school. You’re pathetic. “stop hating the players and hate the game” – how the fuck is that relevant to this particular discussion? Idiot.

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  31. OT but this is asking for coverage

    “Facebook and Apple Will Pay for Employees to Freeze Their Eggs”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/10/facebook-and-apple-will-pay-for-employees-to-freeze-their-eggs/381409/

    “As the “Let’s Chill” attendee Donna Kanze, 35, told the New York Post: “I want to take my fertility into my own hands, rather than put pressure on the person I have my next relationship with.“”

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    • Saw that too. Told my boss about it, she’s a woman, and she thought it was ludicrous. Women just keep asking for trouble; they’re their own worst enemy.

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  32. @WILL

    NAAAAAAAAAWWWWAAAALLLtt …

    @spoonellette

    U R ruined for LTR. Marriage? MARRIAGE?!??

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  33. […] information out there like: text game, rapport building, online game (although I’m not into that) and even learning how to get good at rough sex. It can seem so daunting to a guy who is new to […]

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