Women To Avoid: The Credentialist Whore

Men instinctively know to avoid single moms and BPD headcases. No man wants to help raise another man’s kid, and crazy drama whores aren’t much fun after the post-coital glow wears off.

Now we can add another archetype to the list of women to avoid: The Credentialist Whore.

Reader Dr. Giggles explains,

Perhaps we’ve found another type of woman who, like the single mom, should be avoided by men at all costs. Call her the credentialist bachelorette. She carries baggage like the single mom in the form of spiraling college debt which you end up subsidizing, by either paying for everything during the relationship, or outright paying the debt itself once married. Unlike the bastard spawn you can kick to the curb once it turns 18, the debt may last into her golden years, according to a recent Beta times article.

A woman who whores herself out for useless college credentials like an MA in Vagina Pondering, and amasses a mountain of debt on her quest for status feels and anonymous urban fucking, is a horrible long-term relationship prospect. Not only will you invariably get stuck directly or indirectly paying off chunks of her debt, you will have to deal with her insufferable “credentialed girl” entitlement lovingly honed from years fobbing her bills off on her daddy. If you’re really unlucky, she might be the type of CW to unload on you about the patriarchy during a first date.

File the Credentialist Whore, along with the Single Mom and Crazy Bitch, under “pump and dump”, and don’t even think about moving in with her. Sex is a lot more satisfying when you’re not paying for it in some form or another.





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  2. on October 9, 2014 at 12:42 pm mendozatorres

    Two of my friends are married to gals like these. One is a doctor and her hubby is an unemployed architect–guy’s a loser, never interned in college, got in the way of his restaurant job. The other girl is all types of status queen slut. Married her hubby cause he’s a latino and wanted a white girl. ‘Nuff said. I’ve giving the doctor-unemployed marriage five years. They just finished year one.

    Also, I think it’s a SWPL invention to have a double marriage. Double marriage: wanting to get married outside, but needing the “consent” of the priest in a church to make it acceptable to God. I’m a Christian and all I know is that is nothing but self serving righteousness right there!

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  3. Not all women and men with degrees have debt though. Everyone in my social circle went to university and most of us did not have to take out a loan. Yes, avoid women with liberal arts degrees, especially if they are in feminist polyamorous bisexual Hispanic oppressed victim studies. That being said, women with STEM degrees are rare and a woman with a degree in History or French is still better than a high school dropout as long as she is debt free.

    [CH: “women with STEM degrees are rare”. Emphasis on rare. Also, STEM women tend not to be, how shall we say?, the prettiest of the litter.]

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    • Women with STEM degrees are generally defective. Why would an attractive girl ever major in a hardcore STEM subject?

      [CH: the exceedingly rare cute TEM girl aside, most TEM chicks are, as evidenced by the nature of the subjects to which they’re drawn, masculine in temperament and often in looks as well. manjaws, manly digit ratios, narrow hips, and grating personalities characterize the typical TEM girl.

      PS I left off the S part, because science has been bastardized to include female friendly subjects like psychology, biology and sociology. indeed, you can find plenty of cute girls in the softest of life sciences.]

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      • I dated a highly paid former STEM major. She complained that her male colleagues (also highly paid) had plenty of interest from women but she didn’t receive the same interest from men. I was surprised that she wasn’t aware that men place looks above income and her high income wasn’t going to attract guys the same way a high male income would attract women.

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      • I agree 100% with CH’s assessment of female STEMs. My brother’s wife was an engineer, and we found out after their divorce she was routinely beating on him and throwing the china at the back of his head.

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      • Have any of you seen this cunt on the Greta van Susteren show lately? BITCH WILL NOT STFU. Just babbling like a damned witchtard.

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      • I disagree. Women who choose engineering and other useful professions tend to be the most right-wing and feminine, with peaceful and pleasant minds. The masculine women are found in useless studies like sociology, “cultural anthropology”, history and language.

        (Oh, history is important to know. But you can easily learn it on your own if you have a library and a computer. To study history at a university, how often does that come to use? Likewise languages. If you study economics and will actually deal with other countries in your work, then it is useful. But most who study languages do it just because they are foreign and therefore exiting.)

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      • Regarding the video Zombie Shane points to, did you observe how important it is for her to SEE stuff? The most revolutionary breakthroughs in science require ABSTRACT thinking, which extends far beyond one’s senses. From my experience, women, even ones who study some science, have trouble processing abstract information which cannot be visualized. To be fair, many men have similar trouble. But among the peope who can think in purely abstract concepts, most are men.

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      • “Women who choose engineering and other useful professions tend to be the most right-wing and feminine, with peaceful and pleasant minds.”

        i agree. there are some exceptions of course but the girls who choose practical degrees like accounting, engineering, technology, etc. seem to be the most grounded and the least brainwashed and idealistic. they probably grew up in good families that taught them the value of hard work and practical thinking.

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    • My last 9 months of college I was dating a cute psychology major, who was fairly feminine. Rather than continue that relationship post college, I broke it off because she had a pile of debt. If it was just the $40k in student loans, I probably would have asked her to move with me to where my job was, but she also had 10-12k in credit card debt. Her superior misunderstanding of financial matters was one to many millstones.

      I actually know a guy who married a girl with similar levels of debt. He makes really good money now (mid 100s), but he told me recently he is still 7-8 years away from retiring their collective student loans, which would put him around 41-42. He married her at 25.

      If you are looking for the unicorn however. Intelligent, attractive, woman grabbing an employable degree, then your best bet is to head over to the school of Pharmacy. That is where all the “science” girls go, and for good reason because its high pay, and not particularly stressful an occupation. There are plenty of 6-7s with the occasional 8 running around, and they are more sane than any girl you will find in the school of engineering.

      Of course, the employability of pharmacy grads is starting to come into question. They can no longer pick and choose their locations, and if they aren’t graduating from a top 25 program they best have gotten good grades..

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      • Son, don’t marry a girl in pharmacy school. It is no longer the sweet cushy deal it used to be, and the education industry is building more pharmacy schools like mad. The bottom has dropped out.

        The other vaguely science degree girls get is opthalmology.

        In both cases they figure they can work whatever hours they want at any of a few dozen outlets in their area for a boatload of money.

        It used to be a good deal to marry a pharmacy girl. No matter where she lived she could quickly get a few hours of work a week to keep her busy making enough money to hire a wet nurse for her baby and leave a little left over. Not no mo’!

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    • @ CH, you know that is changing rapidly. Women are leading admissions to med school and the bio sciences. Admissions to math/engineering programs are growing at increasing rate.
      You can’t have it both ways. Pick a side. Are women inherently terrible at math/science or have they been socialized out of those fields? How can we condemn women for choosing fields non-stem fields–teaching, social work, nursing–if that is where their gifts lie? I don’t personally believe this to be the case, but the talking out of both sides of your mouth is decidedly illogical and anti-science.

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      • How can we condemn women for choosing fields non-stem fields–teaching, social work, nursing–if that is where their gifts lie?

        I must have missed something. Wherever “their gifts lie” is neither here nor there.

        It is marrying silly a silly goose girl who runs up debt with no intention of actually WORKING TO PAY IT OFF that matters. Whether her debt and her vanity degree is STEM or non-STEM doesn’t matter at all.

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      • First, admission rates are one thing, graduation rates are another. My Computer Science class started 360 strong with 60 women!!!. I know this because the Dean of Women Feelings or whatever was very excited about it. Only problem is my graduating Computer Science class was ~130 with 11 women. So 80% of the women were washed out but only 60% of the men. And this despite all the special programs the University provided women, such as weekly group meetings with therapists so they could work through their anxieties. All 300+ classes in the sciences had women’s only sections that they could sign up for (how that wasn’t a title IX violation I don’t know). Oh and at the Science scholarship banquet somehow women who comprised less than 20% of the school pulled down over 60% of the scholarships.

        Second, just because a woman graduates with a STEM degree doesn’t mean she is even going to use it. Take the Goldieblox “inventor”. She love engineering so much that in less than five years after graduating with an engineering degree she went into marketing toys that have been around for a hundred years to girls in order to promote a field she didn’t like enough to stay in long enough for the ink to dry on her diploma.

        Third, just because women graduate, and actually use those degrees in the field they studied doesn’t mean they are as good as men. Studies show that it takes 3 women doctors to do the same amount of work as it takes 2 male doctors for the simple fact of the matter is that women doctors work fewer hours.

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      • on October 9, 2014 at 7:00 pm Randy the Random

        Show me a female engineer or scientist who can design and build something useful or do breakthrough research and I’ll show you the elixir of youth.

        Women are amazing at writing reports about doing work, and explaining their feelings about experiments and hypothesis. When it comes to doing it however, they tend to come up short.

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      • on October 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm haunted trilobite

        Admission rates: the Brits are going bananas with their med school programs as the bulk of female graduates stick around just long enough to marry a consultant and drop out mid 30s after only putting in a few years work as a fully qualified doc. The govt are paying a fortune to train them, and are essentially being short-changed. Not saying these gals wouldn’t be great mothers-they possibly would be..

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      • Flying the cherry pick flag are we? With the educational system continuing to warp into a female optimized system it is small surprise that as the grades of males fail that leaves women as the best paper candidates. Are women inherently bad at math/science? No, they simply aren’t as good as men. Only the least rigorous and slanted studies show otherwise.

        To bring you up to speed LP (obviously missed the last few years) ROI for non-STEM fields often, at best, approaches zero. Nursing, btw, falls under the M in STEM (I know, not only is math hard, but so are acronyms!). Since the thread is discussing why to avoid careerist women, with debt being a prominent reason (in case you missed the last few decades, money issues are a leading reason for divorce), how your honey stacks up in career choices is very pertinent. Another fun fact – most women who go to college for the STE part of STEM are not working in their field of study within 5 years of graduation. They often shift to HR and similar areas.

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    • Case in point re: engineering majors from my alma mater.

      http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/news/articles/2014/graduates-recognized-and-awards-presented-at-cee-graduation-reception.html

      What makes a school so hostile to men that it awards one man of five seniors?

      BTW: I married a R/TV/F major based on her ability to hold up her end of a conversation and general, uh, flexibility.

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    • Good thing your social circle is a microcosm of the general population.

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  4. My mother would qualify as a credentialist, I won’t say whore. She has a diploma of laws and an llm and accrued a lot of debt studying. Then she got married in mid 30s to my father who was in 40’s and he just paid all the debt. She hasn’t divorced him or cheated on him and as far as I can tell likes him but I dislike how he has allowed people to walk all over him.

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  5. on another note, I am sort of worried about a demographic crisis in the west for those inclined to marry. What if all that any man can find is a woman age 30 and above, has debt, is slut, etc. That is really an awful thing to think about.

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    • Bloody hell and (((sigh)))… I’m gonna go lift.

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    • You get right with God, hit the gym, find a hobby, drink some liquor, and you take your state like a man.

      The only reason those whores have any power is because of sexual desire. What good is it to them if they just throw it away?

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      • Okay, lifting done, getting right with God ongoing, now onto the bourbon.

        Cheers to earl the pearl, and the rest of you band o’ brothers.

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      • Sure, earl. As soon as you can provide a single piece of proof for your Jew-invented religion. Xtians, like Muslims and Jews, have never been able to prove any of their claims. In fact, they have been proven wrong many times. Priests used to claim that the world was flat because the bibble says so, and that it rests on seven pillars because the bibble says so, and that there is a dome over the earth with stars and sun and moon attached. You admit that the bibble and your religious leaders have been wrong about these things at least, don’t you? Used to be the religionuts punished those who said this might not be true. People were even killed. Good to see that the sick religious freaks have lost much of their power.

        No, fantasies about never having to die, about being rewarded forever and getting to see those you hate be tortured forever, are not going to lead anyone right. The West will only become less religious, which is good for Whites, as the Xtian churches tell us that all are “brothers in Christ” and we should “turn the other cheek” and open our borders. Westerners will never become more religious. The fantasies worked when people didn’t know what made rain fall etc. But religion can’t spread among an intelligent people that has access to books.

        Hell, Xtians can’t even agree among each other. Never could. Since the bibble contradicts itself over and over again, and is actually batshit crazy. Do you think a corpse can come back to life? Do you think someone can use magic to walk on water? Then you are insane. No wonder Xtians are divided into hundreds of organizations that can’t agree with each other about what their own religion actually says.

        The resistance to the Left is hampered by the religionuts with their fantasies and threats. Only by throwing off religion can people see what needs to be done.

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      • What ethos do you subscribe to Arbiter? So that you may prove to me your way is the right way.

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      • Arbiter, what you believe to be Christianity bears no resemblance to actual Christianity… and it’s pretty aggravating that several of your ascribed tenets have been debunked numerous times here at the chateau in the past, directly from Scripture, by myself and others.

        But you, like most of the antiChristians around here, just keep repeating the same bullshit again and again. (((shakin’ mah haid)))

        Serve whatever gods or man-made isms you choose… as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah…. who forgives in a big way, but warns that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, and there are stripes waiting for the backs of fools.

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      • But you, like most of the antiChristians around here, just keep repeating the same bullshit again and again. (((shakin’ mah haid)))

        Which is absolutely the same thing you Christians do as well. It’s a pointless discussion.

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      • If it is so pointless why do the discussions keep coming up. Apparently we must rev each other’s engines enough to keep going at it.

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      • I guess we’ll just see who is right in the end Arbiter. Look at the happy place that post-Christian Europe has become. Sure, blame it on the Muslims. But the demographics were a part of the driving force to allow immigration – Europe was dying off. For the same reason evangelical-atheism doesn’t grow in the USA – they don’t reproduce.

        *evangelical-atheism = the Asperger Syndrom belief system that by telling others they are idiots and demonstrating no knowledge of their beliefs, you will convince them there is no God.

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      • Which is absolutely the same thing you Christians do as well. It’s a pointless discussion.

        Disingenuous ass! It’s only the “same thing” when the other side lies or is wrong as well.

        When a Christian defends his faith with Scripture and gainsays the bullshit the antiChristians say, it’s NOT the “same thing”.

        You fairy.

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      • If it is so pointless why do the discussions keep coming up. Apparently we must rev each other’s engines enough to keep going at it.

        That’s precisely why it’s pointless. Neither side gains any ground. I have yet to see someone converted to the other side’s point of view.

        Disingenuous ass! It’s only the “same thing” when the other side lies or is wrong as well.

        If you don’t subscribe to the particular brand of horseshit that is in the bible then you will be convinced that the other side is wrong.

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    • “What if all that any man can find is a woman age 30 and above”

      Then he started looking too late. And its not entirely his fault. Parents should be helping their children prepare for marriage from a young age so they are ready for the responsibilities of family and children when they are biologically programmed to have them. And they should be involved in vetting potential partners. Divorce is preventable with the proper education, pairings, and family investment.

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      • How did that work out for you?

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      • It didn’t for a variety of reasons. Twenty-two might already have been too late when I got married. I already had a bachelor’s and a master’s degree. Its really no use thinking how things could have been different if I hadn’t been expected to go to college and have a career (even one so disappointing to my mother as a teacher). Its more important to use what I’ve learned to prepare the next generation and the next generation.

        To be quite honest, I think I have only ten years left with my daughter. I’m pretty sure she’ll be engaged by the time she’s eighteen. There is no reason she shouldn’t. And, unlike in my experiences, I will take my duties as a mother and grandmother seriously and be there to help her through, well, everything. I will acknowledge that her being unmarried or divorced or gay would be a direct reflection on my own failure to properly parent. Instead of self-centeredly lamenting that I don’t have more children, I happily await the opportunity to be an active step-mother and am absolutely zealous about the idea of being a grandmother. A cute one.

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      • Woman what you just said is advice for girls. I suggest telling young women this stuff.

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      • I just looked it up and in the US about 71% of women go to college from high school in 2014. Going to college in most cases probably results in credentialism because of debts, outside pressures, etc. The marriage age has increased. This really looks to me like a demographic crisis.

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      • @Earl Most women who know they want a family in their early 20s settle down with men in their late 20s or early thirties. Men who wait beyond their early 30s will find that these women are no longer available. And then they become bitter about it and post on this website.

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      • Avaunt, you fairy!

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  6. The amount of long term datable women has to be 10% of the female population and 50% of those gals are probably married by 25. The market is bleak.

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    • It is. Also, I think 10% is way too h

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    • It is. Also, I think 10% is too high.

      Lets see: from 100% of females, around 70% are fat, so it leaves you 30%.
      Now, from that, subtract women under 18 (for sake of legality) and women over 35. The statistics will vary by city and country, of course.
      From the result, subtract: women already in a LTR/marriage, women who have very small social circles, lesbians, crazy spinsters, cutters, women with skrillex haircuts, lawyercunts, etc.

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  7. Good gawd, this rings so true. Briefly dated one of these chicks. Though she didn’t have the debt (thanks for daddy!), she was an elitist/credentialist whore… daughter of a diplomat, expensive private university, Ivy-League MBA, FINRAA Series-7, CFA. Living alone in NYC ofc. I’m pretty sure me and my state school degree were still making more money than her! Bitch tossed me aside b/c I didn’t have aspirations of opening up an NGO or some other philanthropic sheeit. I was so disappointed by not getting anywhere with her that I ended up finding Game… so I guess I have her to thank for that.

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    • Ngo’s are full of women (and men) that couldnt hack it in the results driven corporate world. Who goes through all that training with an end goal of not entering the competitive market place?
      Its like women are risk averse and school is a safe place so they stay in school with the help of guranteed loans as long as they can

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      • “Who goes through all that training with an end goal of not entering the competitive market place?” Answer: women who want to leave room for starting a family.
        Sensible women ARE risk averse. School IS pretty safe. What of it? In a society where young men refuse to commit, staying in school is a sound female strategy.

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      • School is safe for the individual in that performance is usually not measured against competitors. In most countries universities are either state owned or sponsored. Thus they should serve the interests of the state. Providing a safe place for someone to avoid the real world until they decide on a job that will not help their nation prosper is a waste of taxpayer money. Further their education is funded with credit. How safe will it be when the education bubble pops?

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      • I agree that the emphasis on schooling is a waste of resources, but such are the conditions most women find themselves in today. Parents kick them out, and young men don’t want to get married. Low-cost housing for uncredentialed single women tends not to be safe. Under these circumstances, credentials speak to a woman’s common sense, not her whorishness.

        [CH: sometimes it helps to remember that cause and effect are feedback loops. for instance, self-sufficient women tend to drive away provider beta males, both for reasons of hypergamy and male distaste at the prospect of being an equal or lesser contributor to the family pot. women who strive for credentials and economic independence could be just as much a cause of men turning away from marriage as an effect.]

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      • “sometimes it helps to remember that cause and effect are feedback loops.”

        I could make the same admonition to you, CH. In fact, that’s exactly what I’ve done.

        [CH: let’s just say the sexual market is a bit more complex than the hackneyed pabulum that passes for rigorous discussion among conventional liberal wonktards and conservative tradtards.]

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      • According to one forbes article using data from 2008 the top five majors for women were Pschyology, Visual and Performing Arts, Communications, Biology, and English. With the exception of Biology, these majors would seem to indicate that women are going to college because they want to. Not in response to being unable to find a husband at 18. No, low cost housing isn’t safe. But you can get a roommate or two and not live in low cost housing. That would be common sense. What isn’t common sense is getting degrees that are both expensive and worthless at the same time.

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      • women who strive for credentials and economic independence could be just as much a cause of men turning away from marriage as an effect.]

        Yeah, if a woman needs money to hold herself over and genuinely likes working in a job that requires a J.D., that’s one thing, but she should keep it on the down-low when talking to men and emphasize talents and traits that men will respond to.

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      • But college degrees aren’t worthless. That’s why women go to college. Evidence: women with college degrees can support themselves, thereby decreasing both the societal value and salary of employed males, a fact universally decried on this blog. Whether or not college degrees should be worthless in the employment marketplace is beside the point. Women are going to act rationally.

        [CH: women can act rationally in the short-term while simultaneously acting irrationally in the long-term. this is the reason why traditions exist and persist.]

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      • It rational for a woman to pay for half of a date. But, it doesn’t suit her. So, she doesn’t. Its rational for a woman wanting to get married not to eliminate 90% of her prospects by getting a JD. But that doesn’t suit her. So she does. And when its time to take an accounting of how her decisions affected the outcome, the blame always belongs to someone else.

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      • Obviously they’re not being taught what is rational. stop the blame, CH, it doesn’t become you. Feedback loop, remember?

        [CH: your comments have degenerated into poopytalk. check yourself before you wreck yourself.]

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      • and, I might add, it’s not perfectly rational for young men to sleep around for a decade or two, then turn around and decry the lack of virgins when they finally decide there’s more to life.

        [CH: you’re confused. double standards aren’t the same thing as irrationality.]

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      • er, double standards are, by definition, irrational.

        [CH: not at all. it could be quite rational to adhere to a double standard if it’s personally advantageous. and the sexual market is full of examples like that.

        like i said, curb your poopytalk, or i’ll do it for you.]

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      • By definition a double standard is “a situation in which two people, groups, etc., are treated very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them.”

        So you must be arguing that “unfairness” is per se irrational. I’m not sure anyone would agree with such a strong statement.

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      • @meerk: I believe that the men mean that degrees are “worthless” as attraction triggers for them. The degree itself is not worthless, but it doesn’t make them blush like a hint of cleavage would.

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      • @kate you’re right about the cleavage and such. But, there are more than a few female dominated majors of study that are in such low demand that the graduate might never get a job in that field. Making that degree worthless. Even in majors where a graduate can find a job, these jobs are often make work positions. So the degree is potentially valuable to the holder, but valueless to society.

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  8. I found that seeking credentials took up a lot youthful female energy that otherwise might have been misspent/squandered. A 22 year old wishing to start having babies and stay home with them isn’t going to get a lot of positive feedback from the young men surrounding her: trust me. I would have dumped law school for the right man in a heartbeat. Alas, there were no takers.

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    • Try going for a man who is 28+ years old. They will be in a much better circumstance to get married. There ya go.

      Do you need men to do all the problem solving for you?

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      • I figured that out when I was about 24, although there weren’t many 28+ year olds around. So no, I don’t and didn’t need, but thanks.

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      • We need a theory of “Inverse Game” to teach younger girls how to get up their courage to hit on older guys [since younger dudes these days seem to be such soft wimpy Peter Pan Syndrome mommy’s basement losers].

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    • How did I know, from reading your earlier comments, that you were a lawyercunt?

      There are few things worse than a female who attends law school just to attain what she perceives to be the ultimate in credentialist whoredom. You are such a female.

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    • But, sadly, like the other law school girls, she had to pretend that Law was Everything. In an earlier era women could be honest with each other and with the men they wanted with no pretense. It is so sad that they have to live a lie, accrue the debt, and wait a decade or two (until 80% of their friends are married) before they start grousing with the other 30-something old maids that “good men are so hard to find” and talking about their “baby-hunger”.

      I believe that meerk is relatively common among the law school girls I knew.

      Ayelet Waldman, one of my HLS classmates, is the prototype. She played riot-grrrl fish-without-a-bicycle feminist at HLS, then did a couple years as a Public Defender in LA County, before she finally admitted to herself that it was hard, nasty work, no fun and unfulfilling. She then found herself a nice Jewish bi-boy to marry, had three or four kids, and lives the life of an LA housewife … with the occasional TV spot and detective story (she is a bright Jewish girl, after all!). In law school, Ayelet would have sneered at a girl who just wanted to find a man to take care of her (and to take care of).

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      • uh, I didn’t pretend that Law was everything, I was taught and conditioned that Law was everything. I wised up and quit practice after a decade, but only because I kept my own counsel. Pun intended. (addendum: ironically, the women who are smart enough to figure all this out, would indeed make good lawyers, if they had the time)

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    • on October 10, 2014 at 11:13 am Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

      > A 22 year old wishing to start having babies and stay home with them isn’t going to get a lot of positive feedback from the young men surrounding her: trust me

      don’t blame ==us== for your Disney-trained vision of marrying a guy your own age. That’s Disney, not optimal.

      You figured it out at 24. Amish girls seem to figure it out at 15.

      Based on my travels …. a lot of Thai Northern Hilltribe girls figure it out at 7 or 8, when they have to assist in digging a grave for a infant sibling who died.

      PS: just stay away from the expensive, beach-resort tourist-trap parts of Thailand; go instead to some mid-size Province Capital. Lots of hilltribe girls arrive in those places at 16 or so, looking for (and finding) a minimum-wage factory job which pays enough for all the basic human needs – ie, she has to live with 5 of her cousins, but she’s NOT selling her body. By the time she’s 18, a girl like that is HIGHLY receptive to the idea of settling down with a late-30-ish guy and starting a family in (say for example) Des Moines.

      Plenty of those girls have HIGH levels of tribal native intelligence. The PERFECT partner for running a feed store, or the office of a tractor-repair shop.

      TL;DR True, there’s no unicorns. But some females are not intrinsically damaged beyond basic wife-handling skills.

      But you will most likely find those girls, where they are a native part of the eco-system.

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  9. on October 9, 2014 at 1:24 pm williamwilliam

    I have three girls to get through university debt-free, but it’ll be done by sending them to university overseas. They’re fluent in French. It’s not an option I am presenting to them. It is a done decision.

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    • Your sending your girls overseas for school instead of sending them somewhere local you can keep an eye on them?

      This is going to work out splendidly for you

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      • on October 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm The Spirit Within

        You can’t really “keep an eye” on your daughters at college unless you sleep in the same room. Even then, they’ll just go to the guys’ rooms.

        [CH: a father’s specter of shame and disapproval keeps an eye on his daughter.]

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      • You can’t really “keep an eye” on your daughters at college unless you sleep in the same room. Even then, they’ll just go to the guys’ rooms.

        I’m convinced you must be a chick. Keep an eye on doesn’t mean have a Private investigator follow them around.

        [CH: the sperg within is probably a chick, possibly black, definitely a leftoid drone.]

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      • This is, what, like the TENTH time CH has had to emerge from his private suite at the chateau to dress down “the sperg within”?

        Jeez… you’d think these shills would take a hint… no shame, no shame whatsoever… shakin’ mah haid and LZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLZOZLOZ.

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      • on October 9, 2014 at 3:21 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzlzozozo

        when da GBFM went to pick up his new girgfreindzlzllzzl (or so she thougt lzlz)

        her FATHER stern FATHER came out and
        strapped a gopro on her head
        to keep an eye on da GBFM!

        but then i said
        “yo no need to worry dude”
        and i showed him the two gopros strapped on my left and right nutz
        and he said

        “oh ok i sensed i could trust you.”

        and i took her out on our
        first
        and
        final
        DATE zlozolzlzzlzloolzolzz

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      • on October 9, 2014 at 3:38 pm The Spirit Within

        LOL

        Ready for some serious cog dis?

        Me: White male, 6’2″ and 210 lbs (I’ve revealed all this before), bilingual, master’s degree in a classical subject, non-partisan (yep), Midwestern Catholic, notch count approaching thirty, currently living abroad. Two very pretty 8s in my rotation, hopefully adding a third tomorrow night.

        Heartiste, your advice has helped me hone my game, and your discussion of evo psych is the best on the interwebs. Cheers to both. (CLINK). But I can’t resist chiming in when the political commentary is so woefully one-sided. And I do love a good debate.

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      • LOL

        Ready for some serious cog dis?

        Me: White male, 6’2″ and 210 lbs (I’ve revealed all this before), bilingual, master’s degree in a classical subject, non-partisan (yep), Midwestern Catholic, notch count approaching thirty, currently living abroad. Two very pretty 8s in my rotation, hopefully adding a third tomorrow night.

        Except we don’t believe you.

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      • on October 10, 2014 at 10:15 am The Spirit Within

        @everybodyhatesscott

        You don’t matter. What matters is the stunning brunette with the hourglass figure who had seven orgasms with me on Wednesday afternoon and evening.

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      • TSW: ever seen one of those tiny, liw-resolution photos in which you correctly identify a famous person, even though the face may be no more than twenty pixles?

        Humans have a reliable sense for picking up on self-aggrandizing lies by processing the incidental data in a matter of milliseconds, forming an accurate evaluation of the speaker’s qualities, similar to how we recognize a few beige and light brown squares as a specific face.

        The internet is a tempting place to paint oneself in one’s Walter Mittiest costume. And to take for granted that people will believe you.

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      • on October 10, 2014 at 11:40 am The Spirit Within

        @PA

        That was a very long and eloquent way of saying that, on the Internets, there are keyboard jockeys who create false identities. Shocker. You can believe it or not, but yours truly isn’t one of them.

        Then again, you don’t matter either. What matters is the short smokeshow redhead who just messaged me on Skype, in translation: I’m yours all day on Sunday. She doesn’t flake either.

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      • TSW: “What matters is the stunning brunette with the hourglass figure who had seven orgasms with me on Wednesday afternoon and evening.”

        Webcam girl? It’s amazing what one guy and a paypal account can accomplish!

        In any event, here’s a pro tip for you: dick waving in an internet debate is the last refuge of those that have been soundly humiliated. Truth is, you’re just the latest in a long line of guys (or whatever) to stumble into a situation that is over your head. You are accustomed to living in a world where misrepresentations, half-truths and outright falsehoods are praised and treated as legitimate.

        Living in a world where pablum and regurgitated nonsense are rewarded has given you a ridiculously unearned and undeserved confidence in your own intellectual abilities. You’ve been told that those that oppose you are toothless rubes, and boy did you find that easy to believe! So you stumble into a situation where you have been lead to believe a mere cakewalk awaits you. You will be a light unto the hicks. You’ll show ’em what’s what!

        And then, most disturbingly, it doesn’t work out that way. Not at all. Talk about “cog dis.” Your poor head must be in excruciating pain right about now.

        You quickly learn that you aren’t nearly as smart as you thought you were, and in fact are only fair to middling at best.

        But…er…umm…boy, you can sure give those hotties orgasms! Seven in a row! (why stop there? I’m only impressed by at least eight, though I can’t speak for others)

        LOL! I’m sure your dad can beat up my dad, too.

        Verdict: you’re too short for this ride, dude.

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      • on October 10, 2014 at 12:07 pm Just Went Rogue

        lol @ watching The Kike Within strive for validation on the Internet. It’s been a good day for laughing at faggots

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      • You don’t matter. What matters is the stunning brunette with the hourglass figure who had seven orgasms with me on Wednesday afternoon and evening.

        The thing about liars is they give too many details and ALWAYS go too far.

        As PA says

        Humans have a reliable sense for picking up on self-aggrandizing lies by processing the incidental data in a matter of milliseconds, forming an accurate evaluation of the speaker’s qualities, similar to how we recognize a few beige and light brown squares as a specific face.

        Now the normal non-idiot reader can probably figure out I’m white, my name, my combative personality, and I probably occupy some spot on the sperg
        spectrum.

        And dammit, everyone lies and says they’re 6’2″ on the internet which is really annoying for the actual 6’2″ among us who get absolutely no benefit from lying and saying we’re 6’3

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      • everybodyhatescott: “The thing about liars is they give too many details and ALWAYS go too far.”

        Come on, I think you’re being unfair to The Clown Within. After all, he admitted that he only gave the first hottie seven orgasms in a row. I think it’s quite obvious that he is afflicted with false modesty. His only flaw is that he’s too hard on himself.

        I’m sure he’ll perform even better with the smoking redhead. Ten in a row, at least, and that’s if he’s hungover.

        Question to ponder: why would a man CARE to give a random lay seven orgasms in a single session? The Clown is nothing if not generous.

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    • They’re fluent in French. It’s not an option I am presenting to them. It is a done decision.

      French?? Bad idea. If you’re worried about race-mixing, there a high chance they’d get involved with some groid or dune coon.

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      • yeah, and her and her big lips will probably convert to Islam.

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      • Agreeing with Thwack. They persecute Christian evangelists in France, while they are very quiet about the areas Sharia rules. Not a good place to send your daughters. Besides, your making the assumption that even then ROI will make their degrees worthwhile. Plenty of degree holding twenty somethings looking for jobs these days and not finding them. Doing so more cheaply isn’t a better ROI, it is simply less costly.

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  10. The funny part is when women get those degrees they are no longer attracted to anyone they see as “beneath” them. They end up crying about how there are no good men. She’d be perfectly happy with a bus driver if she didn’t invest her best years on HR degrees. Then the men she does see as mating prospects ignore her in favor of the hot 19 year old barista at starbucks.
    Society loses out big time.
    Wasted resources on degrees that don’t contribute to gdp
    Wasted resources on fertility treatment and treating offspring with birth defects
    Wasted resources when the migrant workers we import to deal with low birth rates use social services and send their wages to their home country
    Wasted resources on animal control when these women lose track of one of their cars
    Just a big fxcking waste

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    • It becomes specially worse when such kind of women receive financial support from her father even after college. I have met some daddy’s princesses supplementing their income with daddy’s monthly allowance well into their 30s.

      Since they have a beta male supporting all their needs (daddy), have never faced challenges or setbacks, are narcissist, entitled and delusional credentialist girls, they are not attracted to most men, except for the occasional Alpha fling during holidays or ovulation.

      I got on one date with a 24 yr old who met all of the above conditions, and had already bought her first cat. I paid my part directly to the waiter and left her at the bar, without looking back.

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    • I hereby nominate this for COTW.

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  11. CW = Cash Witch

    Her ‘nut’ will put yours in a vice.

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  12. on October 9, 2014 at 1:31 pm Just Went Rogue

    I do like those leathery MILF sluts in their heels and striver suits though. If they’re high-T you can hit that ass all night and not even have to watch Greys Anatomy after.

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  13. That’s how it is with all aspects of feminism, whether it’s the girl who thinks she’s interested in STEM, or the faux gamer, the pretend “tough girl”, all of it is predominantly fueled by a desire for the status of being called such. Boys are actually interested in doing those things, most of the girls involved aren’t.

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    • Sharkette Lori Greiner has over a thousand patents… the foremost of which is apparently that cute little multi-compartment jewelry case.

      You go, girl!

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      • The patent system is really broken.

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      • Sharkette Lori Greiner has over a thousand patents

        Mmm. Make that eleven inventions, ~15 patent applications, and ~ 15 patents, worldwide for trinket boxes. She hasn’t filed for any patents since about 2006.

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      • Of course, if all you want is a patent, I could get you a patent for racing stripes on a horny-toad, but it would be … well … worthless.

        Nobody ever said that a patent has to have any value whatsoever. All it has to be is “new” and “non-obvious”. Nothing “broken” about it, tteclod.

        If you want, I can get you a patent for a three pronged dildo with flashing lights, or a baseball that sings “Yankee Doodle Dandy”.

        But why get one? Who would ever want to buy the product or license the patent from you? Lori wasted her money.

        On the other hand, Rami Revson’s patents for the Scrunchie protected an actual on-going business venture. Girls WANTED Scrunchies.

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      • Alas, yet another jest fallen flat!

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      • on October 10, 2014 at 11:22 am Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        >> All it has to be is “new” and “non-obvious”

        Oh really? Guess reading the code of Federal Regulations would be too much effort for you.

        You know why Meerk didn’t go into the Patent Bar? Because only the sharpest minds can succeed there.

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    • Women want to know how cute they’d look doing those things, not actually doing the thing. It’s the idea of the thing, how she would look photographed doing it. Then she can stop doing it, and get back to her girly stuff.

      Women have seen too many pics of hot women in Glamour “gardening” with bright spring colored rubber boots and cut off shorts and a little tanktop. So Summery and cool, so organic chic! I wanna garden!!

      Until she’s actually out gardening in a grubby tshirt and sweatpants, getting dirty as bugs bite her and her back hurts from bending over, pulling up weeds for 2 hours. And there’s no photographer and lighting crew, no makeup artist to make her look pretty and no one around to observe her, no magazine pics for millions of other women (and her friends) to see.

      Then it sucks, call Jose’ and the rest of the crew at Martinez Landscape.

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      • “Until she’s actually out gardening in a grubby tshirt and sweatpants, getting dirty as bugs bite her and her back hurts from bending over, pulling up weeds for 2 hours”

        this is a good test. if she can plant hundreds of onions in perfect rows, keep them weeded, patiently wait for harvest, dry them and then turn them into something you want to eat then she might be one of the good ones.

        if she looks forward to doing it again next year then you’ve hit the jackpot.

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  14. wowjustwowjustwowjustwow

    Set to the soundtrack of millions of empowered womyn crying about the creepy patriarchy, the de-pedestalization continues its march to common public knowledge.

    But if this situation were reversed, there’d be names named, an internet Wall of Shame posted, the NAGs crying for the Attorney General to press charges against these pervs for visual violation of her body and a call for legislation to save just one woman from the oppressive male gaze!!

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    • on October 9, 2014 at 4:04 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

      Women have admitted to me they do this, and it was the reason they approach in the first place.

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    • on October 9, 2014 at 6:32 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      when womenz look at da gbfmz crocth soatsosoc lotas cocksasz it pokes dem in da eye across da aeiels aislel lzozozzzllz

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    • LP: No, it’s because they work insane hours–like 12 [hour] shifts and can’t be fucked [ed: “bothered”?] to change their clothes run out to buy a snack on their break.

      Which does explain the added ten pounds and the pajamas. It also explains why a man would be completely uninterested during “happy hour”.

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  15. ”Data from OKCupid and other dating sites has comprehensively exploded the myth of superior black sexual attractiveness to women of white and other races’

    Not really. Women on OKC tend to look for LTR’s. Consequently, they’re more likely to pursue a mate that conforms to social norms and the medium facilitates this type of search. You may as well say that OKC disproves the myth of “loser alpha male sexual attractiveness,” or the “myth” that “game matters more than looks.”

    [CH: this is a fair point. and as i’ve said, online courting is a mere facsimile of real world courting. online strips away all context and subtle cues and replaces it with stats and a photo. there’s no way online will accurately reflect how women choose when the encounter is face to face.]

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    • The interaction between race and attraction seems complex. In a situation where the target is still susceptible to the influence of her friends’ judgment — it works against you, much the same as being a “loser with no job” would work against you. However, in a situation where you have isolated the woman, I believe it works strongly in your favor.

      Accordingly, it could be a “fuck but not marry” situation. This gallup poll shows that almost 1/4 of white women have “dated” a black man. Tellingly, only 56% of black men say they have dated a white woman. Does this mean the numbers are off, or does it refer back to that age-old conundrum — she thinks they’re dating, he thinks they’re just fuckin’?
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/19033/most-americans-approve-interracial-dating.aspx

      And just for fun anecdotal value — Sarah Palin, conservative darling, apparently had a “black fetish.”

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      • There’s no way one out of four white women have dated negroes except in some very narrow geographical regions…

        And for the record, anyone who still pays attention to polls, gallup or no, are only scratching the itches of their personal bias through the shit-stained glass of the Cathedral.

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      • According to the poll, the error is +- 7 points for the white answers. So it’s either as low as around a fifth, or as high as around a third. Either way, it’s a large amount. Sorry Greg.

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      • Like I said, in a narrow geographical area… learn to spot the Cathedral’s methods of agitprop, kid.

        And yes… you and your “neener-neener, muh dik” ilk are sorry, indeed.

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      • The survey used a national sample, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about when you say “limited geographical area.”

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      • Why do the numbers seem off?

        They just seem to indicate that the 56% of black men prefer white women.
        In that case most black men who date whites would have dated several while white girls who have dated blacks would on average have dated only one. My experience lines up with that.

        56% of black men = 11 million.
        24% of white females = 27 million

        In order for those numbers to work, those black men would have to average 2.5 white girls each in their dating history.

        11 million X 2.5 = 27 million

        What’s the average number of men a girl dates?

        If 4 white girls age 30 sit down at a table and talk about men they dated. They each claim to have dated 6 men, and if one of them dated one black guy. Then even though they chose black only 4% of the time, 25% of them dated black.

        Seems like it could be true in more than just narrow geographical regions.

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      • That’s another possible explanation. Of course, it still invites the inference that around a fourth of white women have slept with a black man.

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      • Greg Eliot: “There’s no way one out of four white women have dated negroes except in some very narrow geographical regions…”

        I’m inclined to agree, Greg. I looked at the numbers, and they are highly suspect. For example, 27 percent of white men, nationally, have dated Asians? That would mean approximately 27 million white men have done so? I find that highly, highly doubtful, unless the betas are getting around a lot more than they appear to.

        Even the much lower number of white women that have dated Asians (according to the poll), at 9 percent, seems way off the mark. That would mean approximately nine million white women have dated an Asian guy? I certainly wouldn’t bet the farm on that being true.

        Sorry Scray, but those poll numbers seem grossly exaggerated. And even if the numbers are remotely accurate, which I find highly doubtful, it would just be even further evidence – as if more were needed – of an incredible level of societal decline.

        All the more reason to ditch this cesspool and start something different. Those who wish to turn into the Coloured population of South Africa, or the teaming slums of Latin America, should be free to do so, but they shouldn’t be free to drag everyone else down with them.

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      • Well, you haven’t really given any reason to believe that these polling numbers are “grossly exaggerated.” I’m sure betas think tales of alphas hooking up with women at or before date three are “grossly exaggerated” too.

        Whether this is the exact number is debateable, but the proposition that a significant portion of white women are open to fucking outside their race? Gibes with my field experience.

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      • Sigh, having to explain the obvious… you fairies.

        “Narrow geographical regions” means, for example, “big cities”.

        So, if they polled “nationwide” (yeah, THEIR nation), and asked women in, say, NYC, LA, Chicago, Houston, Wash DC, et al, I have no doubt that 1 in 4 have dated negroes… in fact, I’d bet a month’s pay most here would argue to the death that that number was too low.

        Now let’s say a nation has 1000 women, 200 of which live in the equivalent of said “big cities”. A “nationwide” poll of those big cities might show that indeed, those shopworn sluts could indeed be mudsharking to the tune of 25%, and there’s 50 out of 1000… a percentage I would wager was MUCH closer to the truth.

        But the pollsters would have you believe 1 in 4 of the farm girls, fresh and clean, were doing the same thing.

        Like I said, pure agitprop… and DUH!

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      • Greg Eliot

        ——————————————————————————————–

        What if they are fresh and clean but they dream about being in a rap video as a booty rat?

        Have they committed mudsharkery in their hearts?

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      • on October 11, 2014 at 10:34 am Just Went Rogue

        Worrying over how many white women are open to interracial fucking…this shit needs to stop. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy that leads to severe pathos (see cuckold fetish).

        You can’t “save” these women. They either are attracted to blacks or they aren’t. If they are, it is a dead giveaway for mental illness and poor upbringing. They were never going to be good for anything but a smash and trash anyway. Getting all angsty over mudsharks just betrays your emotional investment in them.

        Here is the fate of your average mudshark:

        http://www.clickorlando.com/news/boyfriend-of-pregnant-woman-reported-missing-charged-with-kidnapping/27012532

        http://articles.philly.com/2011-12-02/news/30467479_1_brewery-site-verdicts-hook

        http://truenewsusa.blogspot.com/2014/06/fat-nasty-white-mudshark-ashley-conrade.html

        http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Man-charged-with-murder-in-death-of-local-teacher-136401638.html?tab=video&c=y

        http://www.king5.com/story/local/2014/10/11/13374280/

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/09/cirque-du-soleil-murder-trial-las-vegas

        http://geminigirl07.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/mom-suffocates-2-year-dld-daughter/

        http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=11715820

        http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019388.html

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      • Scray: “Well, you haven’t really given any reason to believe that these polling numbers are “grossly exaggerated.” I’m sure betas think tales of alphas hooking up with women at or before date three are “grossly exaggerated” too.”

        You’re comparing apples and oranges. I didn’t make a definitive claim one way or the other about the accuracy of the poll, other than that the results don’t comport with my knowledge of overall demographic reality. As I mentioned, I find it highly doubtful that nine million white women have dated an Asian guy. But if that seems plausible to you, then knock yourself out.

        Scray: “Whether this is the exact number is debateable, but the proposition that a significant portion of white women are open to fucking outside their race? Gibes with my field experience.”

        Nobody disputes that. But my “field experience” indicates that the poll numbers are exaggerated.

        In any event, I think it’s pretty clear that a significant number of women of all races are open to sex outside of their race. Anecdotally, I’ve even had a considerable number of black women throw themselves at me over the years, and some were none too shy about it. On the other hand, I’ve had enough close black friends to hear the sorts of things that most whites don’t. The sorts of things that are only said after the last white leaves the room. I fully understand that most black women aren’t at all interested in white men. Many are virulently, viscerally racist in a way that even racially conscious whites like myself find alien. We really are different, at our cores.

        And, hate to break it to you, but most white women aren’t interested in black guys. This is particularly notable for white women, because non-white men pursue them with intensity (in a way that non-blacks don’t pursue black women), and the entire culture of political correctness tells them that they are racist and evil if they don’t date outside of their race.

        And yet, despite all of this pressure, the vast bulk of white women gravitate toward white men. I think that’s saying something important, but you can make of it what you will.

        Point is, black guys are able to poach from a subset of the white female population that is open to it. Most have no interest.

        In any event, I’m all for people being able to make their own mating choices. If a significant portion of whites want to turn into the Coloureds of South Africa, that’s their business. I think it’s a bizarre and destructive choice, but so be it.

        However, they should not be free to impose their choices on the broader white community, and force us all to live in a de facto mixed society.

        Separation is the only solution.

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      • I told you before, thwack ol’ boy… YouTube muh-dik videos are not yet accredited towards your Associate’s Degree in Coloured Peoples Studies.

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      • So in other words, Greg doesn’t know how Gallup polling works, and he has decided to guess at how it might work. Let’s clear some of that up:

        “The findings from Gallup’s U.S. surveys are based on the organization’s standard national telephone samples, consisting of directory-assisted random-digit-dial (RDD) telephone samples using a proportionate, stratified sampling design. A computer randomly generates the phone numbers Gallup calls from all working phone exchanges (the first three numbers of your local phone number) and not-listed phone numbers; thus, Gallup is as likely to call unlisted phone numbers as listed phone numbers.”

        Really, what’s your point, Greg? That farm girls are less likely to dip into chocolate than “city” girls? That sounds reasonable, but it also sounds like you’re trading one (imagined as shown above) “narrow geographical area” for another.

        ‘If they are, it is a dead giveaway for mental illness and poor upbringing’

        Based on nothing. Oh wait. You have a few newspaper e-clippings. Sick data set.

        ‘But my “field experience” indicates that the poll numbers are exaggerated’

        Your field experience doesn’t gibe with women hiding certain indiscretions in the face of certain judgment? Does your field experience show you that a woman will fuck an out-and-out loser who took her to a dive bar in that same loser’s car? Does your field experience show you that that same woman will lie about that experience to the wine-dine beta who takes her to a high-priced restaurant and treats her like a princess?

        How is this different….?

        ‘I fully understand that most black women aren’t at all interested in white men. Many are virulently, viscerally racist in a way that even racially conscious whites like myself find alien. We really are different, at our cores. ‘

        Oh, wow a bunch of black women told you something? I guess that puts an end to it. Think past the superficial…

        Black women are less likely to be pursued by white men. It does wonders for their ego to PRETEND that they don’t even want to be pursued.

        White women (and all women really) are keenly aware of the SMV impact certain indiscretions have and so of course they will lie about said indiscretions.

        ‘And yet, despite all of this pressure, the vast bulk of white women gravitate toward white men. I think that’s saying something important, but you can make of it what you will. ‘

        What pressure, exactly? You seem to think that the over-PC culture has unshackled women from social judgment and destroyed the interracial taboo. It hasn’t.

        And what do you mean by gravitate? For LTR’s? I never disagreed with that.

        ‘Most have no interest.’

        Ya. And most white women ‘have no interest’ in guys who don’t have six-pack abs, aren’t rich, aren’t good-looking, aren’t tall, etc. etc. too, right? Or are those traits “different” for whatever up-the-butt arbitrary reason? It’s all the same. Women are dumb and go off of social cues. That’s it. That’s all.

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      • Scray: “It’s all the same. Women are dumb and go off of social cues. That’s it. That’s all.”

        A longer response is posted below (ended up in a different column), but this claim of yours is worth a special mention. If your position is simply that women are idiots, and strictly go by social cues, then you have just, however unwittingly, made a great case for racial self-determination and sovereignty.

        Because if you are correct, then a white man has no interest in living in a society that celebrates black thugs in popular culture, or that denigrates white men as goofballs and creeps. If it’s all about the social cues, then of course you’d want to live in a society where the social cues are entirely in your favor. Diverse societies can’t offer this, and in fact inherently work against it.

        Thanks for supporting racial sovereignty for whites, Scray! LOL!

        Of course, the truth is a little more complex. Well, a lot more complex. Social cues are important, but there are other substantive factors as well. Many other factors.

        But in the meantime, Scray, you might try to think a little bit before you hit Post Comment. But hey, I’ll take unwitting support over no support any day. Thanks again!

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      • ‘Because if you are correct, then a white man has no interest in living in a society that celebrates black thugs in popular culture, or that denigrates white men as goofballs and creeps. If it’s all about the social cues, then of course you’d want to live in a society where the social cues are entirely in your favor. Diverse societies can’t offer this, and in fact inherently work against it.’

        Society currently celebrates alphas and denigrates betas. White alphas benefit the most in such a society, as this blog points out. So I’m unsure why they would want to leave.

        Thanks for supporting racial sovereignty for whites, Scray! LOL!

        You mean beta-white-sovereignty.

        But in the meantime, Scray, you might try to think a little bit before you hit Post Comment. But hey, I’ll take unwitting support over no support any day.

        Irony.

        Scray, it’s not worth going line by line in response to the silly and pointless quibbling that you’re engaging in.

        Apparently you have confused me with someone who takes arguments from condescension seriously. Your “counter” is essentially to tell me about all of the world’s “obvious” truths. No really, I’m convinced.

        If so, by your own logic, just how “shackled” are women? You can’t have it both ways, Scray.

        Replace “black” with “loser without money.” Answer your own question. It’s like you want to ignore the entirety of this blog when it suits you. When a “loser without money” approaches a girl, the girl will disfavor him if she’s with her friends. He’s a loser without money. But, if the loser without money gets her alone and pulls her into his reality — she’s his.

        Same goes for black guys, fat guys, short guys, ugly guys, etc, which is why your “women only go for white guys,” is the same as any other anti-game trope.

        I think it’s obvious that white women are pretty much free to run wild. Mostly, they choose to run wild with white men. Even your own sacred poll supports this.

        For the reasons I listed above. It’s about the why rather than the what.

        But they shouldn’t be free to drag the rest of us down with them, forcing us all to live (and die) in that kind of situation. We need self-determination and sovereignty, for those whites that want it.

        Any white who can’t prosper in this society is a loser. So bye.

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      • Scray: “You mean beta-white-sovereignty.”

        To an extent, yes. Whites tend to create stable societies where honesty, integrity, and virtue actually count for something. As a mulatto, I realize that this makes no sense to you. You can only view such a society, and the values that animate it, with contempt. Which is precisely why you are so toxic. You have an inherent interest in furthering the anti-white status quo, not because it is good, but because it suits you. Which is fine, but something else suits us – and it is also good. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

        Scray: “Irony”

        …which is lost upon you.

        Scray: “Apparently you have confused me with someone who takes arguments from condescension seriously. Your “counter” is essentially to tell me about all of the world’s “obvious” truths. No really, I’m convinced.”

        There is no confusion. You are what you are. You are a mulatto, no? As one, you have an inherent incentive to undermine white continuity. That you act on this incentive is readily apparent in your posts.

        Scray: “Same goes for black guys, fat guys, short guys, ugly guys, etc, which is why your “women only go for white guys,” is the same as any other anti-game trope.”

        It’s not an anti-game trope. The idea that because a man has game, that he can literally get any and every girl that he wants, is absurd. That’s not “anti-game,” it’s reality. If you don’t understand this, you’re delusional.

        Game can of course help, and I encourage guys to learn it, but it is not a magical cure all. People have preferences, some of which a guy is not going to overcome no matter how good he is at game. The fact that you don’t realize something this obvious is stunning, and a little disturbing. Try not to go Phil Chism on the next girl that inevitably rejects you.

        Scray: “Any white who can’t prosper in this society is a loser. So bye.”

        LOL! Which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. But by all means, toodles!

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      • To an extent, yes. Whites tend to create stable societies where honesty, integrity, and virtue actually count for something. As a mulatto, I realize that this makes no sense to you. You can only view such a society, and the values that animate it, with contempt’

        Yes, if we equate ‘beta’ with all of those traits. Of course, what “doesn’t make sense” to me is precisely that, that beta = honesty, integrity, and virtue. Honesty, integrity, and virtue are strengths that alphas possess. Betas go with the herd. Alphas are courageous and stick to their individual principles.

        That is why women prefer “bad boys” to “niceguys,” genius. “Bad boys” have personal integrity and individual principles.

        …which is lost upon you.

        More irony 🙂

        As one, you have an inherent incentive to undermine white continuity

        We will just add this to the “wild assumptions” folder.

        The idea that because a man has game, that he can literally get any and every girl that he wants, is absurd.

        Of course, I never said this. What I said is that race operates in the same manner that being a “loser” does, when the girl is with her friends. I also said that, unlike being ‘a loser,’ race can operate heavily in your favor once you get her alone. The only point is that this “preference” is easily overcome, which is why the number makes sense.

        LOL! Which has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. But by all means, toodles!

        Then why did you bring up white separatism? I’m only commenting on the sentiment you brought into this conversation. X can’t make it in environment A, so X makes up some reason why X is “superior” and uses that reason to justify X’s retreat from environment A. X is rationalizing his failure.

        “Man those girls who go for the alpha guys are all sluts anyway, I don’t even want them!”

        “Man this society only appreciates losers and not everything that I am, I don’t even want to be a part of it anymore!”

        Both thought processes look similar to me.

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      • Scray: “Honesty, integrity, and virtue are strengths that alphas possess.”

        Oh, yes. Alphas are regular knights in shining armor! They exhibit the highest of honesty and virtue as they plow through fields of women. LOL! Scray, honestly, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You repeatedly conflate and confuse every issue that you touch. Let’s put it this way: a number of cheerleaders would have a lot to say about me, some of it possibly even good. But I’m guessing, now bear with me Scray, that terms like “honesty” and “virtue” would not top their list of adjectives. Just saying.

        In any event, the actual point was simply that whites traditionally tended to create societies that actually DID reward traits like honesty, integrity and virtue. Though such a culture would have undoubtedly denied me some of my better memories, it’s still best for whites as a group. What can I say, Scray? I’m good like that. It’s a white thing, you wouldn’t understand.

        This is very different from the sorts of societies that blacks tend to create. This is obvious to whites, but I honestly believe that you cannot comprehend my meaning. Further, as a mulatto, you have an inherent interest in undermining white continuity. It’s important for white readers to understand that.

        Scray: “I also said that, unlike being ‘a loser,’ race can operate heavily in your favor once you get her alone.”

        Sure…with a minority of women. With the majority, it does not. People have preferences, including racial preferences. That’s reality. Game can overcome some of this, but by no means all, and denying that is delusional.

        Scray: “X can’t make it in environment A, so X makes up some reason why X is “superior” and uses that reason to justify X’s retreat from environment A. X is rationalizing his failure.”

        I see this bizarre line of *reasoning* pretty much every time I debate with blacks (or mulattoes). Here is the way it works: blacks create a sewer of an environment. Stupid, low trust, violent, vulgar, crass. Whites (and Asians, etc.) naturally want out of the sewer, for reasons that are perfectly obvious to pretty much anyone who isn’t black. The black then claims that the white is “retreating,” and that he is a beta because he “can’t make it.” He’s a “loser” because he doesn’t want to live his life in a sewer. LOL!

        Yes, Scray, I’ll confess! We wish to “retreat” from the sewer (and increasingly, the entire society is a sewer, and admittedly that is by no means entirely the fault of blacks – anti-whites come in many varieties, including white).

        Scray: “Both thought processes look similar to me.”

        Yeah, they look similar to me, too. They are both childish misrepresentations that have little or nothing to do with legitimate points made.

        That’s another thing when arguing with your type. You literally can’t grasp that a person could advocate something unless they expect a narrow, short term benefit from it. Doing otherwise is absolutely foreign to you. Hence, you simply can’t comprehend that I genuinely care for the survival and continuity of my people. It matters to me, and I am not alone. We do not wish to join you as just another version of the Coloureds of South Africa. We are what we are, and do not wish to be assimilated by the Borg (geek reference intentional…another white thang).

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      • Really, what’s your point, Greg? That farm girls are less likely to dip into chocolate than “city” girls?

        Heh, heh… “chocolate”… more like shit.

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      • They exhibit the highest of honesty and virtue as they plow through fields of women. LOL!

        I’m unsure how plowing through fields of women necessarily means that the individual lacks honesty, integrity, or virtue. In fact, such a conception of male virtue seems to be a modern invention.

        But I’m guessing, now bear with me Scray, that terms like “honesty” and “virtue” would not top their list of adjectives.

        Oh, more evidence from what women say. Now it’s “what I think some women would say.” Cool.

        In any event, the actual point was simply that whites traditionally tended to create societies that actually DID reward traits like honesty, integrity and virtue.

        If I’m saying that alphas have honesty, integrity, and virtue, it follows that I am saying that this society also rewards virtue.

        This is obvious to whites, but I honestly believe that you cannot comprehend my meaning

        Yeah. The best way to show how “obvious” a proposition is, is to repeat that it’s “obvious” several times, eh? Oh, and then add in another argument from condescension.

        Game can overcome some of this, but by no means all, and denying that is delusional.

        I never said game can “overcome all of it.” I said that, generally, the preference is easy to overcome with a little game knowledge.

        Here is the way it works: blacks create a sewer of an environment. Stupid, low trust, violent, vulgar, crass.

        “Here’s the way it works: alphas create a sewer of an environment, making the girls more stupid, slutty, vulgar, and crass.”

        That’s another thing when arguing with your type.

        You’re just another excuse maker, and it’s plain to see. You start with an assumption — beta = “what is good,” that you have yet to demonstrate any real reason for, then continue to assert how “obvious” this or that is.

        If you’re white and have game, you really won’t find a better society.

        Heh, heh… “chocolate”… more like shit.

        Either way, it’s you guys who are eventually lapping it up or wiping it off. Or pretending that it just couldn’t be there.

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      • Oh, what a tsunami of n1663r-babble, when all you could have said was “Muh Dik”.

        Mixing in shit with vanilla ice cream (as in your momma’s case) did wonders for the shit… but didn’t do much for the ice cream.

        lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozlozlozl

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      • Oh, what a tsunami of n1663r-babble, when all you could have said was “Muh Dik”.

        Mixing in shit with vanilla ice cream (as in your momma’s case) did wonders for the shit… but didn’t do much for the ice cream.

        lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozlozlozl

        Africandinavian is still a better flavor than whatever “light” flavor you are, judging by your “reasoning” here, Greggy.

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      • Muh dik nuked from orbit FTW

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      • Oh look a cheerleader. PA you get double points if you can explain the FTW. Triple points if you can avoid using the word “obvious.”

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      • Scray: “I’m unsure how plowing through fields of women necessarily means that the individual lacks honesty, integrity, or virtue. In fact, such a conception of male virtue seems to be a modern invention.”

        Of course you’re unsure. I pointed out the difference between today’s sewer of a dystopia and traditional white societies that rewarded honesty, integrity and virtue. As a mulatto, this simply doesn’t compute with you, and I might as well be talking in Greek. That’s o.k., because you’re not my target market here. White readers are. It’s valuable for them to see how your kind *think.*

        Scray: “Oh, more evidence from what women say. Now it’s “what I think some women would say.” Cool.”

        LOL! You’re like some sort of bad wannabee game robot, spouting out lame answers that don’t remotely address the issue at hand. Hint: this debate isn’t about game, homie. And it’s true, game will serve you well while living in a dystopia, but it would still be better to not live in a dystopia.

        Scray: “If I’m saying that alphas have honesty, integrity, and virtue, it follows that I am saying that this society also rewards virtue.”

        As a mulatto, Scray cannot grasp the underlying values of traditional white society. He cannot distinguish what we have today from what we have lost. Apparently, we still live in a Jane Austen novel! Delusion, thy name is Scray.

        Scray: “Yeah. The best way to show how “obvious” a proposition is, is to repeat that it’s “obvious” several times, eh? Oh, and then add in another argument from condescension.”

        It is indeed obvious, or should be, that the society in which we live in today is radically different from traditional white societies that rewarded honesty, integrity and virtue. Well, it’s obvious to a non-sperg white, anyway. But as a mulatto, you apparently can’t discern a sewer from a healthy society. You simply do not comprehend why someone would prefer one over the other.

        Scray: “I never said game can “overcome all of it.” I said that, generally, the preference is easy to overcome with a little game knowledge.”

        I know what you said, and it’s simply untrue. And what you’re saying here is untrue as well. Preferences are not “generally…easy” to overcome. Even a guy with great game can’t get most girls. He can just get a bigger and better minority of girls than a similar guy without game. Anyone who denies this is either a liar or a delusional sperg.

        Scray: “You’re just another excuse maker, and it’s plain to see.”

        LOL! If it’s so plain to see, why can’t you give a single example of an excuse that I’ve made? I don’t need to make excuses, as this isn’t about my narrow interests, or my personal successes and failures (plenty of both).

        I’m Gen X, which means I’m already pretty much middle aged. I either won’t live to see the future white homeland (though I hope to) or I will be too old to personally benefit from an altered dating culture. In fact, I’m really already too old to benefit from an altered dating culture, and couldn’t care less. I’ve done well in the context that I had to operate within, but this isn’t about any of that. [Scray’s brain right now: *does not compute* *does not compute*]

        I realize that this is incomprehensible to you. As a mulatto, you’re all about the short term payoff. The idea that someone would be focused on the bigger picture, on the longer run, is beyond you. All you can think of is muh dik, and you assume that everyone else is as short sighted as you are. This is why you people create such dysfunctional and miserable societies. Which is fine, you are what you are. We just don’t want to live in the sewer with you. You’re a walking negative externality.

        Scray: “You start with an assumption — beta = “what is good,” that you have yet to demonstrate any real reason for, then continue to assert how “obvious” this or that is.”

        Um…this is just clownish, not to mention dishonest. Originally, I stated that traditional white societies tended to reward honesty, integrity, and virtue. You derided this as beta. Then, bizarrely, you start claiming that these very qualities are alpha. You’re all over the place, scampering from one contradictory position to the next, and then back again. You got the worst of both worlds, dude. Black idiocy combined with white spergery. Ever heard the term Tragic Mulatto?

        Scray: “If you’re white and have game, you really won’t find a better society.”

        Sure, we benefit from our own displacement and extinction. We benefit from the murders and the rapes, the stupidity and the crassness, the massive transfers of wealth to non-whites, the drastic curtailments of our liberty. It’s so great!

        Scray just can’t understand why we don’t want more and more of these wondrous benefits. Please, sir…more gruel?

        Here is the truth, Scray: if you are a mulatto that seeks to feed off of the white community, as you do, then the status quo is indeed as good as it gets, and it’s never going to get this good again. Instead of having to live amongst your own, you are able to feed off of the very population that you are destroying.

        You advocate for the status quo for a very simple reason: as bad as it is for us, it’s perfectly good for you. Sperg or no, you get that much perfectly.

        But for us, we can do better. You don’t want that to happen, but it’s going to happen. As your kind is so fond of saying to us: too bad, so sad.

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      • ‘Of course you’re unsure. I pointed out the difference between today’s sewer of a dystopia and traditional white societies that rewarded honesty, integrity and virtue’

        Actually you just asserted that past societies rewarded honesty, integrity, and virtue and that this society is a sewer. It could just as easily be the case that in the past, white dudes were more alpha on average. Because alphas have honesty, integrity, and courage, and both societies reward the same virtues, more white dudes in the past benefited from society.

        White readers are. It’s valuable for them to see how your kind *think.*

        Yes, as in the kind of people who actually think, rather than scribble unbacked propaganda.

        Hint: this debate isn’t about game, homie

        You’re a fucking idiot. You just speculated about what women “would say” about you, in the specific context of attraction/relationships. For some reason, in your chosen context of “white separatism,” a woman’s words are synonymous with what a woman actually feels. What reason? Per usual, you fail to say.

        As a mulatto, Scray cannot grasp the underlying values of traditional white society. He cannot distinguish what we have today from what we have lost.

        It seems like you’re the one who is failing to grasp the values of traditional white society. Rationality being the big one, here. You just keep harping on your assumption without furnishing any proof for it.

        It is indeed obvious, or should be, that the society in which we live in today is radically different from traditional white societies that rewarded honesty, integrity and virtue.

        Or it could be radically different because many men are bitches who make excuses.

        Anyone who denies this is either a liar or a delusional sperg.

        Lame rhetoric tactic #65 — “anyone who disagrees with me must be a fool.”

        Preferences are not “generally…easy” to overcome.

        I didn’t say all preferences are easy to overcome. I said this preference is relatively easy to overcome.

        stated that traditional white societies tended to reward honesty, integrity, and virtue. You derided this as beta. Then, bizarrely, you start claiming that these very qualities are alpha.

        And this proves you’re a few pieces short of an apple pie. You stated that certain white individuals would be better off in their own separate society. I responded that the only white individuals who might be better off are white betas, because white alphas have everything to gain in the current society.

        THEN you attempted to equate all that is beta with honesty, integrity, and virtue. I refused to accept this assumption, and you have been boohooing about it ever since. Even now you characterize the fact that alphas have more virtue than betas as “ridiculous.” Why? You won’t say, beyond the fact that alphas plow through a lot of women — itself a sign that you subscribe to some feminized form of male virtue.

        Ever heard the term Tragic Mulatto?

        Ever heard the term “white idiot?”

        You advocate for the status quo for a very simple reason

        Yes. You have failed to furnish any evidence for your claims.

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      • Scray: “You’re a fucking idiot.”

        Coming from you, that really hurts.

        Scray: “It seems like you’re the one who is failing to grasp the values of traditional white society.”

        LOL! But I’m sure Sambo knows!

        Scray: “Lame rhetoric tactic #65 — “anyone who disagrees with me must be a fool.”

        Refute the point rather than whine about the rhetoric. And I suppose I should say that it’s not even just rhetorical. I really do think something is wrong with you. At minimum you’re a sperg, and maybe full Phil Chism.

        Scray: “I didn’t say all preferences are easy to overcome. I said this preference is relatively easy to overcome.”

        Your own sacred poll doesn’t support this claim. You demand from others proof that 2+2=4 and the sky is blue, yet you feel free to make ludicrous claims without proof. Irony, thy victim is Scray.

        Scray: “You stated that certain white individuals would be better off in their own separate society.”

        My concern is with the survival of whites as a people. Any population is going to have some alphas and some betas, pretty much by definition. This is news to you? You seriously dispute this?

        Scray: “THEN you attempted to equate all that is beta with honesty, integrity, and virtue.”

        Yet another lie. Again, my position all along has been for the survival and continuity of whites as a group, and more specifically the group of whites who will ultimately choose sovereignty and self-determination. You’re welcome to the dregs who want to become the Coloureds of South Africa.

        You’re the one that is obsessed with the beta/alpha distinction. You can only think in terms of short range payoffs and muh dik, and you falsely assume that all others suffer from your limitations. I’m talking big picture, long term. This simply does not compute with you, which is why mulattoes like yourself create dysfunctional and miserable societies. It’s just what you are, and whites are better off separating from you.

        Scray: “Yes. You have failed to furnish any evidence for your claims.”

        Notice this, readers. Apparently, in Scray World, the murders and rapes of whites aren’t happening. The legalized discrimination against whites isn’t happening. The vulgarity, stupidity and crassness isn’t happening. The restrictions on freedom of speech and association aren’t happening. The wealth transfer of tax dollars to non-whites isn’t happening. Whites being reduced to minority status isn’t happening. You name it, in Scray World it ain’t happening.

        After all, Trainspotter isn’t providing proof! This is all “unbacked propaganda!”

        In fact, in Scray World, alphas actually benefit from all of these things. He generously allows that betas might gain from separation, but for alphas, to twist Candide, multiculturalism is the best of all possible worlds. LOL!

        In Scray World, you should have no objection, indeed should be eager, to transform into the Coloureds of South Africa. Anyone who doesn’t want this is beta! An excuse maker! Every alpha would assuredly want it.

        Let’s just say that Scray’s approach leads to some rather absurd results. That’s putting it charitably.

        As a mulatto, Scray has an inherent interest in feeding off of the white population. He will tell any lie, deny any truth, and make the most absurd and ridiculous claims to avoid the fate that he fears the most: having to live amongst people like himself. To see how he fights it, it would appear that he considers such an outcome to be a fate worse than death.

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      • Your own sacred poll doesn’t support this claim.

        You believe that a fourth of white women dating black men fails to support this claim? Okay.

        My concern is with the survival of whites as a people.

        White alphas are doing fine (more than fine) in this society and seem to have little trouble reproducing. So no, you must be referring to specific subset of “whites.”

        Yet another lie.

        Here is the exchange:
        You: ‘If it’s all about the social cues, then of course you’d want to live in a society where the social cues are entirely in your favor.’
        Me: ‘Society currently celebrates alphas and denigrates betas. White alphas benefit the most in such a society, as this blog points out. You must mean beta white sovereignty.’
        You: To an extent, yes. Whites tend to create stable societies where honesty, integrity, and virtue actually count for something.You can only view such a society, and the values that animate it, with contempt.

        ((you apparently do not understand what you did here: you heavily implied that the current society does not reward honesty, integrity, and virtue))

        Me: ‘Yes, if we equate ‘beta’ with all of those traits.’
        You: Alphas are regular knights in shining armor! They exhibit the highest of honesty and virtue as they plow through fields of women. LOL!

        The exchange is as I said it was. You’re just scatterbrained.

        Apparently, in Scray World,

        In Scray World, white alphas are doing fine, yes.

        the murders and rapes of whites aren’t happening. The legalized discrimination against whites isn’t happening. The vulgarity, stupidity and crassness isn’t happening. The restrictions on freedom of speech and association aren’t happening. The wealth transfer of tax dollars to non-whites isn’t happening.

        None of this inconsistent with what I’ve said. If more white men are beta these days, what else would you expect to happen? And keep in mind, that’s just a simple explanation I rattled off the top of my head that negates whatever it is you’re trying to say.

        In fact, in Scray World, alphas actually benefit from all of these things

        Do you disagree that white alphas have it best right now? Arguably even better than they had it before?

        He generously allows that betas might gain from separation

        I actually never allowed this. I just clarified the implications of your original statement — they were delimited to ‘betas.’

        Anyone who doesn’t want this is beta! An excuse maker! Every alpha would assuredly want it.

        I never said this. I only said that, if you’re grounding this “white nationalism” on “social cues,” then yes, white alphas have little incentive.

        Let’s just say that Scray’s approach leads to some rather absurd results. That’s putting it charitably.

        Yes, my approach — expecting you to engage in rational discussion — was indeed foolhardy and led to absurd results. I’m glad we agree.

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      • Scray: “You believe that a fourth of white women dating black men fails to support this claim? Okay.”

        Even if that number is true, which I doubt but will accept for the sake of argument, no, it still does not support your claim that racial preferences are, in “general,” “relatively easy” to overcome. This should be readily evident, but I’m not exactly stunned that, for you, it isn’t.

        According to your numbersl, three quarters of white women still haven’t dated a black – ever. Three quarters – an overwhelming majority.

        Not even one date out of however many they’ve been on. A woman might have dated 100 people, and not a single black in the lot. According to your sacred poll, three quarters of women have not had their preference “easily” overcome – or overcome at all. That would seem to defeat your claim of “generally” as well. Since when does a minority of women count as “generally?” I suppose that terms are used differently in Scray World.

        It should also be said that, even of the minority that have dated at least one black, many stop doing so and date whites instead. Or they went out with a black guy once, out of 30 people that they have dated. Some of these women seem to develop a strong, visceral aversion to blacks. But in any event, the bottom line is simple: the poll does not prove or even meaningfully support your claim that racial preferences are so weak that, generally, they can be easily overcome. It just shows that a minority of white women have engaged in that behavior, presumably at least once. The vast majority of women, outnumbering them three to one, haven’t even done that much.

        But by all means, believe what you want.

        Scray: “White alphas are doing fine (more than fine) in this society and seem to have little trouble reproducing.”

        White alphas of prior generations brazenly asserted their supremacy and dominance over your kind. They passed segregation laws to protect the white community from the predations of blacks and mulattoes, and they passed anti-miscegenation laws to prevent more of you from being created. Quit pretending that you are a defender of white alphas. Your entire pernicious little cause depends on white beta-cuckoldry.

        Scray: “((you apparently do not understand what you did here: you heavily implied that the current society does not reward honesty, integrity, and virtue))”

        Um, I’m not just suggesting it, I’m stating it outright. How thick is your skull?

        Scray: “The exchange is as I said it was. You’re just scatterbrained.”

        You’re absurd. I’ve stated plainly that the present society does not reward honesty, integrity, and virtue. I’ve stated this many, many times. Yet, bizarrely, you imagine that you’ve caught me at something. LOL!

        Scray: “In Scray World, white alphas are doing fine, yes.”

        Scray World depends entirely on white beta-cuckoldry. You don’t want real alpha behavior from whites, because real alphas don’t tolerate the destruction of their communities. You want a compliant white population that you can feed off of. You need whites to bend the knee at the altar of political correctness.

        Scray: “If more white men are beta these days, what else would you expect to happen?”

        We agree on that much!

        Scray: “And keep in mind, that’s just a simple explanation I rattled off the top of my head that negates whatever it is you’re trying to say.”

        I think you mean self-negation. You contradict yourself constantly, when you’re not lying outright.

        Scray: “Do you disagree that white alphas have it best right now? Arguably even better than they had it before?”

        I do indeed disagree, if that wasn’t obvious about ten thousand posts ago. White alphas historically asserted dominance over your kind. You don’t want alpha whites, you want beta compliance. Quit pretending otherwise.

        But sophist that you are, you can’t come clean on this. Instead of dealing honestly and forthrightly with what white alphas actually did when they were running things, you try to portray traditional white society as a beta paradise. And in a way it was, but run by white alphas. Do you really think a true white alpha would accept the leavings of a Scray? Right now, there is really no such thing as a true white alpha. The population as a whole is still accepting terms dictated by people who hate them. That will change, but for now, it is what it is.

        Scray: “I never said this. I only said that, if you’re grounding this “white nationalism” on “social cues,” then yes, white alphas have little incentive.”

        Little incentive? Are you kidding me? They will have an entire nation to run, for crying out loud. They will set terms, not follow terms dictated by others. You keep talking about how more whites were alpha in the past…but you don’t want to talk about what they actually did. It’s hilarious – not to mention bizarre – that you are trying to rest your case on alpha versus beta, when the result of more white alphas would be the end of Scray World. If you were honest (LOL! that’ll be the day) you’d come clean and admit that what you are after is continued white-beta compliance, the better for you to feed off of.

        Scray: “Yes, my approach — expecting you to engage in rational discussion — was indeed foolhardy and led to absurd results. I’m glad we agree.”

        We do agree. You have provided us with a tour de force of lying, sophistry, and an astonishing level of historical ignorance (or was that just more lying?).

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      • According to your numbersl, three quarters of white women still haven’t dated a black – ever. Three quarters – an overwhelming majority.

        Yes, in the general population, where most men have no clue about game. That’s the clue. If 1 out of 4 women are naturally open to it, that’s an easily overcome preference.

        It should also be said that, even of the minority that have dated at least one black, many stop doing so and date whites instead. Or they went out with a black guy once, out of 30 people that they have dated.

        Has nothing to do with my point re: white women fucking black guys. ‘Dating’ is the proxy. I even said that for LTR’s, white women end up with white guys — and I explained why.

        Quit pretending that you are a defender of white alphas

        I’m not defending anyone. I’m just telling you how it is. But you’re assuming ‘white alphas’ passed those laws. I maintain that then, as now, white alphas probably didn’t give two shits past what helped them out — i.e. white alpha politician does whatever’s best for himself and his fortunes.

        Um, I’m not just suggesting it, I’m stating it outright. How thick is your skull?

        Okay………..because you’ve dodged and ducked, implying that alphas do not possess the aforementioned qualities —- do you agree that alphas possess these qualities?

        White alphas historically asserted dominance over your kind. You don’t want alpha whites….
        White alphas of prior generations brazenly asserted their supremacy and dominance over your kind

        Are the reasons you give for disagreeing with me about how white alphas have it good in this society. Apparently, you believe they are no longer in charge? Looks like they are. Sorry, just because the mode of asserting dominance changed doesn’t mean that the people at the top aren’t pretty much the same.

        You don’t want real alpha behavior from whites, because real alphas don’t tolerate the destruction of their communities.

        Little incentive? Are you kidding me? They will have an entire nation to run, for crying out loud. They will set terms, not follow terms dictated by others.

        Lol. They already run things you moron.

        We do agree. You have provided us with a tour de force of lying, sophistry, and an astonishing level of historical ignorance

        Yeah, sure. Per you — white alphas aren’t at the top in your society; they also don’t have honesty, integrity, and virtue, but at the same time for some reason give a fuck about their communities and won’t tolerate their destruction. And you say I’m contradictory one.

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      • Scray: “If 1 out of 4 women are naturally open to it, that’s an easily overcome preference.”

        You claimed that racial preferences are “generally” “relatively easy” to overcome. The poll (which I doubt is accurate, but will accept for the sake of argument) shows that the overwhelming majority of white women have not gone out on a single date with a single black guy. Only a minority, outnumbered 3 to 1, have done so.

        Since when does a minority of people engaging in a behavior constitute “generally?” In Scray World, I guess. It’s like saying that because a significant minority of people have used illegal hard drugs at least once, that it is “generally” “easy” to get most people to do heroin or crack. That’s absurd. In the real world, as opposed to Scray World, it’s simply not true. A significant minority of scumbags are open to it, but most people won’t touch hard drugs. They never take hard drugs. Their attitude is “no way.”

        How hard is this to understand? But again, believe whatever nonsense you like. Kook that you are, I’m sure you will.

        Scray: “And you say I’m contradictory one.”

        I’ve already given you the reality: traditionally, white alphas brazenly asserted dominance over your kind. They saw you exactly for what you are, and created entities like the American Colonization Society to repatriate your kind to Africa, passed anti-miscegenation laws to prevent more of you from being created, and passed segregation laws to protect the white community from the sort of sewer that your kind create and attempt to inflict on others. Whites of prior generations did not tolerate the destruction of their communities.

        Today, in contrast, they submit. They are being reduced to a minority. They are subject to losing their jobs for merely saying the *wrong* thing about blacks, however true the statement. They are subject to laws that discriminate against them. They must bend the knee to political correctness. Their daughters are raped and murdered. Their tax dollars are transferred to blacks. They can get women, but most are sluts. Many of their communities have been utterly wrecked by black dysfunction.

        What it boils down to is that white alphas of the past set terms. Today they follow terms set by others, against their interests. That “alpha” who does well in bars, still bends the knee in all other areas of life. He doesn’t like it, but he submits. How alpha is that? I realize that it is not in your nature to look at the bigger picture, but there is more to life for an alpha than picking up stray skanks.

        The idea that an alpha benefits from living in the sewer with you is ludicrous. This is true of white betas as well. You are a parasite on the white host, and the white host would be better off separating from you. You know this perfectly well, but since you won’t/can’t come clean, I’ll do it for you.

        We can do better. We should do better. We don’t need to become like the Coloureds of South Africa. What you want is beta white-compliance, not white alphas. You want a compliant white population to feed off of. That we remain in the sewer with you is in your interests, it is not in ours.

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      • Since when does a minority of people engaging in a behavior constitute “generally?”

        I don’t even think you understand what “racial preferences are generally easy to overcome” means. It doesn’t mean that a majority of white women need to sleep with black men order to make that statement true.

        A preference, if left alone and not consciously acted against, will win out most of the time. How much that preference “naturally” wins out is a way to test the strength of that preference. Switching it up. If the preference was against “fat” men, and I knew that naturally, 1 out of 4 women had fucked or “dated” a fat guy….I wouldn’t think much of that preference, either.

        Today, in contrast, they submit. They are being reduced to a minority.

        White alphas now cease to be white alphas? White alphas apparently were once the majority of whites? You don’t make an sense.

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      • Scray: “I don’t even think you understand what “racial preferences are generally easy to overcome” means. It doesn’t mean that a majority of white women need to sleep with black men order to make that statement true.”

        I didn’t say that, dingbat. I simply pointed out to you that your claim that racial preferences are “generally” “relatively easy” to overcome is not supported by your sacred poll, even if that poll is accurate (which I doubt). It still doesn’t support your claim, any more than a poll showing that a significant minority of people have done hard illegal narcotics at least once is proof that it is “generally” “relatively easy” to get people to use heroin or crack cocaine.

        In truth, most people won’t touch the stuff, just as most non-black women don’t/won’t sleep with blacks. However, there is a significant minority of trashy people that will do things like snort crack, shoot heroin or bed down with blacks. They are scumbags.

        But the poll doesn’t say THAT either, that’s just my opinion. The poll doesn’t prove it either way. Same with your claim. It’s just that, your claim. I think it’s a ridiculous claim, but it’s yours. The poll doesn’t prove that it is true, or that it is untrue. It simply says that a minority of people have engaged in a particular behavior at least once. Now, as it happens, I’m right and you’re wrong, but based on the poll results, either of us could be right, and either of us could be wrong.

        I’m no longer surprised that you cannot grasp this. Take a remedial logic course, or something.

        Scray: “You don’t make an sense.”

        Ah, the tortured mind of the Tragic Mulatto. Everything is so confusing!

        Well, not everything. You know your short term self-interest quite well, Scray. After all, it’s pretty straightforward. You know that it is not in the interests of whites to remain in the sewer with you, subject to black crime, dysfunction and parasitism – and a thousand other things against white interests. This is obvious stuff, you just can’t admit it. You don’t want white alpha behavior, you want white beta-compliance, the better to feed off of the white community. You can’t come clean on that, either.

        Ah, what a tangled web we weave! It’s so much easier to just tell the truth, Scray. Not having to lie every two minutes is a much healthier way to live. Maybe you should try it sometime? But we both know you can’t, because when someone holds an untenable position, they lie because they HAVE to. They spout nonsense, make ridiculous claims, and squirt ink like a squid, again, because they have to. Always trying to hide and distract from that pesky little thing called reality.

        The reality is that it is in our interests to separate from your kind. It is in your interests for us to remain together, so that you can feed off of us for as long as we exist…until we don’t. Until, like the Coloureds of South Africa, we’re just like you – effectively meaning that feeding time is over, for the simple reason that you already ate us. Your pernicious little agenda is also driven by hatred and malevolence, just as our ancestors understood. They had you pegged precisely.

        We can do better, and eventually, we will. Separation is the only solution.

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    • Scray, it’s not worth going line by line in response to the silly and pointless quibbling that you’re engaging in. To use just one example, if you believe that nine million American white women have dated Asians, then have at it. Believe what you will.

      I find numbers like that highly doubtful, just as I find other numbers in the poll highly doubtful, but it’s not worth the digital ink to keep going over it in detail. People can disagree – no need to get your panties in a bunch. Neither of us can prove with any kind of certainty what the real numbers are, and the precise number is rather beside the point anyway.

      Even if the Gallup poll is absolutely accurate, it doesn’t change much of anything, as we already more or less know the reality on the ground. While it’s obvious that a significant number of women of all races are open to dating interracially, it’s also obvious that most women gravitate toward their own kind. Just as I, even as a white nationalist, can find some non-white women to be attractive. But I prefer white women.

      How hard is that to understand? Is this sort of thing really new information to you? People preferring their own kind doesn’t necessarily mean that they have never seen a person of another race that they have found attractive. That’s not how things work in the real world.

      Scray: “You seem to think that the over-PC culture has unshackled women from social judgment and destroyed the interracial taboo. It hasn’t.”

      Well, you’re the one referencing a poll purporting to show large amounts of interracial dating, admitted by respondents. You claim it’s accurate. If so, by your own logic, just how “shackled” are women? You can’t have it both ways, Scray.

      I think it’s obvious that white women are pretty much free to run wild. Mostly, they choose to run wild with white men. Even your own sacred poll supports this.

      In any event, none of this changes anything on the ground. If a section of whites want to transform themselves into something resembling the Coloureds of South Africa, let them have at it. But they shouldn’t be free to drag the rest of us down with them, forcing us all to live (and die) in that kind of situation. We need self-determination and sovereignty, for those whites that want it.

      There is no poll that can accurately tell us how all of this is going to play out, but when that day comes, Scray, I think you’re going to be more than a little shocked at just how many people choose separation. But don’t worry, plenty will choose the other way, so you’ll still have your pick of the dregs. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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  16. Good timing for this post.
    One of my plates just told me she applied to Grad school. My response was “eww”
    Will probably drop and replace

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  17. on October 9, 2014 at 2:14 pm Troll of the Manosphere

    Any woman who refers to herself as “Doctor” or plays up that fact is to be avoided. This is particularly the case when she’s not actually an MD and getting a doctorate in some gayass field like psychology.

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    • Every time I go to a grocery store or happy hour I can count on seeing a few nurses in scrubs. Often with hospital id on their neck and a stethescope hanging out their pocket in case you missed her scrubs. They’re like 6 year old girls in tutus trying to get daddies attention. “Look at ME daddy Im a nurse!!!!!” Certain women like that status of their job more than their actual job

      [CH: i see this all the time. i once hit on a girl in medical smock by asking her why she was out in her pajamas. (number closed)]

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      • The old nursing outfits were so much cuter. And the chicks didn’t put on ten lbs right after getting them

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      • “And the chicks didn’t put on ten lbs right after getting them”

        what’s that about? it used to be that most nurses were generally fit and healthy. makes sense being in the health industry and all.

        but now most of them are lard asses. i’d say that’s in direct conflict with their mission but the fact is, most nurses these days aren’t into it because it’s their mission to be caretakers and representatives of health and wellness. it’s like anything else, in the past, only the people truly meant for an occupation would go through school and get the job. now anyone can. even the dregs.

        most nurses today do it because it’s an easy two year degree, it gives them the image of being a do-gooder and they’ve been told there is a demand with all the baby boomers getting old and sick.

        they aren’t like the florence nightingales of the past with their sweet nurturing dispositions and an urge to serve and please. most nurses i’ve met are cold- hearted bitches with no bedside manner to speak of.

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      • No, it’s because they work insane hours–like 12 shifts and can’t be fucked to change their clothes run out to buy a snack on their break. Do you change out of your work clothes and remove your building ID when you’re on lunch break?

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      • on October 9, 2014 at 5:03 pm mendozatorres

        HA! I just saw this last night. Girl in front of me was on her phone, yapping away. I wish I would have done what CH just said, but I was mesmerized by the luscious booty of the uneducated checkout girl. You could rest a glass of champagne on her ass, it was so beautifully bulbous, but not amorphous like most women. I can still see it in my head. Her butched up chola-talk killed it for me, though.

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      • Nurses are the most sane and datable of all professional women. Heartiste had a post about this awhile back.

        Female doctors are usually haggard and bitter.

        Side note: I work as a PA in rural ED. On any given day, our patient census is 3/4 or more female patients, most of whom are batshit crazy, not to mention morbidly obese.

        If you want to see unraveling middle America up close and personal, just visit an ER in the rural midwest. You would not BELIEVE how many women come to the ER just to get attention/drugs and run up $4,000 bills for their fake illnesses. They have no sense of accountability and no shame for wasting everyone’s time and money.

        Fibromyalgia, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Functional Abdominal Pain, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Somatization Disorder, all female predominant “diseases” that are really mental disorders / cries for attention. I have never seen a happy, physically fit, well adjusted woman with fibromyalgia. Never. There used to be an old fashioned diagnosis “hysteria,” that we can no longer use because it is sexist. But when you look at a lot of these patients, that’s exactly how they behave.

        If you look at drug trials you see the same dynamic play out. Women report far more drug side effects than men, but most of them are vague and non-specific: i.e. fatigue, dizziness, pain. The most common side effect men report: Death.

        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/06/07/bad-medicine-the-awful-drug-reactions-americans-report/

        The saddest thing to see is the hypervigilant single mom who repeatedly brings her son into the ER over and over for minor complaints and continues to fret and obsess over the kid’s health despite reassurance from multiple doctors. A lot of these women have behaviors that border on Munchausen’s by proxy.

        Anyway, this is all anecdotal but just in the last 10 years I’ve just noticed women are getting fatter and crazier.

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      • Are there more fat people in grocery stores?, or do I just notice them more because we’re surrounded by food?

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      • How can one be proud to be a NURSE? Perhaps,only in america. Even being a doctor in Europe is not considered neither cool nor successful. And it certainly does not help you to get laid.

        E.g. Britain,nurses ate the dumbest of the dumb.Extremely primitive women, really.

        It’s easy to hook up with a nurse for me, due to my profession. I’ve got many of nurse notches, never got involved with them mid to long term.I avoid them as plague.

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      • “Nurses are the most sane and datable of all professional women”.

        No,they are not. They roll the cock carousel more than anyone else.
        They are also usually very stupid. I mean,too stupid.

        Following the logic of CH-they MUST be good, because they are not-ambitious, career oriented women, who have chosen the primitive path of getting into a nurse school. Wrong. Experience suggests they are not less of a whores, than your next wanna-be a singer barista at Starbucks.

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      • “The old nursing outfits were so much cuter.”

        Seconded; last time I was back in America I noticed that none of the nurses I saw were wearing skirts; they had all gone to pants. Here in Japan sanity still prevails… for now.

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      • @Caramba – Europe and America are not comparable (yet). Public health systems tend to drive out quality and need to be maintained by low-pay immigrants – hence the reason they are looked down upon in Europe. The USA is starting down that path, but the medical infrastructure is still (mostly) private. This means doctors with private practices can be quite wealthy, especially in specialty fields. Their nurses are paid decent enough wages (my wife makes a decent amount without certifications at present).

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  18. RT @therajraj: @heartiste Does alpha-Fux Beta-Bux extend to father-daughter relationships? reddit.com/r/offmychest/c… 45 minutes ago

    Wow. Good for him for saying no!

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  19. “Sex is a lot more satisfying when you’re not paying for it in some form or another.”

    Chalk that under “impossible scenario”.

    It may not be monetary…but you always pay for it in some form or another.

    [CH: for most men, you’re right. therefore, for most men, the goal should be to minimize, rather than eliminate, their costs per notch.]

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  20. Cf. Also Wendy Davis, the cunt Dem candidate for governor of Texas, who dumped her rich lawyer husband the weekend after he paid off her law school tuition debt in full.

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  21. Off-topic but “Sarah Silverman Dons a Strap-On to Plug The Gender Pay Gap”.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/102075097#.

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    • I am glad Sarah Silverman exists. So many people in my life disqualify themselves by saying how much they like/admire her.

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      • Yep. I had a Credentialed chick disqualify herself because she was crazy about Sex & the City.

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      • I always called it STD & the City. My buddie’s feminist girlfriends didn’t take to kindly to that comment. Worked as planned!

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  22. Absolutely. I live right near an unranked law school in FL. Lots of cute young women go there. The school charges as much as the NE academies, with the added bonus that women who go there will get paid in FL wages when they graduate/pass the bar.

    Did go out with chick from there a few times when I first got here. She ended up moving to Appalachia where she could find work as defense-appointed counsel.

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  23. Off topic but Forbes has an article out that says people that multi task do a worse job at their tasks and display lower IQ while multi tasking. And who is it that are so proud of their constant multi tasking – women. “Mother, wife, career woman – I can do it all. I am a multi-tasker”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbradberry/2014/10/08/multitasking-damages-your-brain-and-career-new-studies-suggest/

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  24. This is the most ironic timing to see this post. Last night while browsing okcupid, I came across a 21 year old HB8+ Her profile was your standard hamsterese, going on about being more logical and mature than most girls, how manners and professionalism go far(away from her) with her, and of course her plan to obtain, “a collection of degrees” and she listed of off a few random unrelated majors. Nontheless, as I’ve been training in the ways of alpha, I decided to shit in her vita-beta dispenser. Scanning her profile saw a picture of her car by itself, which I used for a simple neg to see if I could get the wheel spinning, this morning I was greeted with a response…

    Man from Nantucket: That picture of your car doesn’t make you look materialistic.

    Squeaky wheel: Message a girl just to insult her, way to go on the offense…

    Now if anyone has a suggestion how I should respond, I’m all ears. Here is a link to my profile too if you have any suggestions for that:

    http://www.okcupid.com/profile/alfabitsoop

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    • “Wait – you want to be considered materialistic? Two point deduction”

      or

      “Your car looks like my gramma’s hand”

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    • Man: “Then its true.” [A&A, might invest hamster in your alpha category]

      She soon gets you are nonjudgemental alpha fux only or next. Who cares if other guys buy her dinner, car, jewelry.

      You could work on facial expression for profile pic. I think chicks care more about body language than words. Just experiment in the mirror and in female faces in the field. George Clooney vs. everybody else in recent wedding event photos is instructive. Have some X-factor persona she would want to be seen with.

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    • Man from Nantucket: Insult?!? LOL’ed. Just wait’ll I put you over my knee and spank you!

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    • Message her back, “I have a red scooter and a blue bow and arrow.” Or, if you like brevity, “Ha.”

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  25. on October 9, 2014 at 3:35 pm DoublePlusGood

    Bitter experience leads me to agree with this, but to change the tone a little, I have a thought on girls to green light; those with big brothers. While my sample is modest, I have found that girls who’ve grown up under the fun influence of a brother are waaaayyy more feminine and have a balanced view on gender relations. The worst in my view come from all female single mum households. Can anyone corroborate on these observations?

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    • I have also noticed that females who had good relationships with their fathers and brothers are far easier to work with and less inclined to pull the stupid gender card over every trifling discomfort.

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    • Running through every relationship I know (so anecdotes not data), it seems your best odds are obviously with women who grew up with fathers.

      Most feminine: Women who were middle children – I know 7 of these and they all might as well have stepped out of a 50’s sitcom

      Least feminine (assuming father): Eldest child females with no male siblings, though they tend to be the ones with the most common sense and the most practical. So if that is your thing

      Least competent: Youngest child in family of 3 or more OR only child females. It has to be a babying syndrome.

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      • MMV. I have two sets of three female cousins. One set, eldest is practical and married a decent guy, other, drugged out last I saw and has no communication with family no clue what happened to druggy husband. Middle sisters, both ok, guess kind of feminine. Youngest, one married a guy she used to babysit (you can guess how that went) divorced and has a decent marriage with twin sons, the other ok marriage just not particularly feminine.

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    • I’ve had the hypothesis that women with all brothers tend to relate better to men, even in a sexual relationship. I have too little data to draw conclusions, but I think it is a tendency that propaganda is overcoming more and more.

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    • “I have also noticed that females who had good relationships with their fathers and brothers are far easier to work with and less inclined to pull the stupid gender card over every trifling discomfort.”

      definitely this.

      the worst ones of all are the girls who grew up without strong male influences AND they had too many women around. ie: sisters, aunts, grandmothers, etc. they get that feminist gang mentality and reinforce each other’s hate for mankind. a girl is better off growing up as an only child than growing up like that.

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    • I’ve been self-employed since ’95. Had multiple corporate clients in all kinds of industries and environments. And without a doubt the biggest tell that I will get along with a female is that she is happily married. Because it really is on a woman to have a happy marriage. The man is who he is, the woman is her marriage, or lack thereof. The worse, and I mean absolute worse women, are the fat ones who are unattached. The other women can’t stand them eithre, at least the happily married ones.

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    • true in my case. easiest lays were either only child women or all sisters. father didn’ make too big of difference. best relationships I’ve had were chix had older n younger brother.

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  26. Meanwhile, watch the wall approach in stop action photograpy.

    http://nedhardy.com/2014/10/06/four-sisters-picture-taken-together-every-year-40-years-1975-2014/

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    • What’s the last thing that goes through a feminist’s mind when she hits the wall?

      A: Her birkenstocks.

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    • What the hell happened from ’77 to ’78 Looks like they aged 5 years.

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    • Is it just me? or do they look butthexed from the start?

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    • Halfway through these pics start looking like early Pink Floyd group shots.

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    • The one on the far left clearly being Roger Waters.

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    • Amazing photos.

      First observation: #1, #2 and #3 all stayed delightfully thin. #4 ballooned a bit in the end. I’m fairly sure I saw wedding rings on all of them.

      Second observation: Not a single boob job. Not one. I think #2 might have had a nose job.

      Third observation: Post wall, somewhere between 2002 and 2004 #2 cut her hair and now looks like Keith Richards.

      Fourth observation: These were all probably marriageable women and it appears (judging by the rings) that they stayed married. They probably all cranked out a couple of kids. They were a success.

      Fifth observation: #3 is a smoker, while #2 was the health-conscious one of the bunch. Until she hacked off her hair. Now she just looks like Keith Richards.

      I think #1 has the happiest husband.

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  27. Being an older man in a college town, I kinda like credential whores. A) They’re fun to game B) They’re needy of approval – perfect for push/pulling C) I’m not gonna marry ’em, so I don’t care about their debt load D) They like to pretend they’re “mature” – and I like to bust ’em on that big time.

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  28. on October 9, 2014 at 4:05 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Sadly I meet a lot of women like this in my industry.

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  29. Shrugs. I really value credentials in men.

    [CH: high male status, by whatever measure, is attractive to women.]

    Wish I didn’t but I can’t get away from the mentality that values academic prestige. I don’t see myself as entitled to a man with good credentials because I have some of my own though. I don’t place that much pride in having degrees myself. I have them just for their practicality. But I am much more attracted to men that have them. Guys may not value a degree in a woman but I think they like being able to help a girl with school.

    [many men, especially betas, have a percolating desire to provision their women.]

    I feel like the guys who tutored me became more attracted to me when they did. I was definitely more attracted to them at least.

    [they weren’t attracted to your growing body of knowledge. they were aroused by your submission to their authority.]

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  30. The other part of this post is paying for girls when you go out.

    In Asia there is a kind of expectancy among some women that the guy will pay when you take them out. This includes bigger items: movie tickets, or event tickets. I usually overcome this by saying “I’ll pay for dinner, you can pay for the drinks.” Not paying for things when going out with women regardless of their social status is not possible. Minimizing the costs by splitting costs is better. But if a woman can afford clothes and shopping I figure she can afford to go out with me on dates. But some women have office jobs or temp jobs so clearly can’t split the cost of hugely expensive activities so I limit these to museum dates which are around USD$5 entry x 2 and then coffee. Paying $30 to go out isn’t a huge amount if you see them once every couple of weeks.

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  31. Credentialism is out of control.

    Pharmacy, Physical Therapy, Occupational Therapy, Audiology, Optometry all used to bachelor’s degrees and now require a PhD.

    Do you really need a Doctoral degree to fill prescriptions, teach grandma how to sit on the toilet. Is a PhD really required to make hearing aids or glasses?

    It’s all a big scam by higher ed to charge ever increasing entry tolls into a licensed profession, one of the last source of stable jobs because they are protected from competition by the state.

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    • Professional associations lobby states for licensing restrictions. It is a form of unionization. Create barriers to entry so that you can artificially restrict supply and drive up wages.

      I can’t speak to the other fields, but for Pharmacy the ultimate goal was for Pharmacists to end up doing patient consoling. So they ran up the credentials in order to push that through but it never materialized. So now you need the credentials just to dispense meds. Incidentally, they are trying again with Obamacare and are trying to take advantage of the fact that there will be a doctor shortage here in a few years to increase the size of their turf.

      Some of that other stuff PT, OT, etc. That might even be insurance driven as some sort of fraud prevention.

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      • Whether you have a BS, MS, or PhD has nothing to do with insurance fraud. The insurance companies couldn’t care less what your degree is in as long as you are licensed. Physical Therapists with Bachelor Degrees did just fine, but degree creep set in. Same for the Audiologists. Now you need to be a Doctor to make hearing aids. Insanity!

        Ironic, considering that throughout most of Europe, the entry level degree for a PHYSICIAN is BACHELOR (MBBS) degree (granted, years of post-grad residency training are needed). So the hearing aid maker in the US has a PhD and a exponentially larger debt than a European Physician, who has a technically lower degree.

        For comparison, consider another high-risk, high paying career that has taken the complete opposite direction in this country: Actuaries. There is no specific degree requirement for entry into this profession. You just have to pass a series of very rigorous exams. You could have your degree in ceramics from Indianapolis Community College, study your ass off for the exams, and become an actuary, no credentials needed. This model, interestingly enough, has been touted by Charles Murray.

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    • Employers love it because when you’re six figures in debt you have to eat whatever shit sandwich they feed you with a big smile.

      Demcunts love it because they can dangle the debt forgiveness carrot in front of you to get your vote, while doing everything possible to ensure you can’t pay it off by your own efforts.

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  32. Credentialists spent their peak years getting banged out in college and accumulating life long debt. I’m sure it was nice, but we’ve on this blog seen the many poor consequences of this choice. On the personal plane, a highly-indebted, high-N chubby office rat getting on in years with a “demanding” job etc etc (with the marital minefield entailed by all the preceding items) … is just not much of a catch.

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  33. There is only one true hope for a credentialist whore: She finds an alpha that she truly submits to yin fulfillment for. In a society that brings out the worst in people, her only true savior would be the alpha that, “makes an honest woman out of her”. I’m not talking about white knighting here, either. This rule doesn’t really apply strictly to credentialist whores, but to women in general. Men that aren’t afraid to be men are women’s only hope.

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  34. Why a girl with Big Pharm Debt is a bad risk: pharm work is drying up at the same time the debt is ballooning:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119634/pharmacy-school-crisis-why-good-jobs-are-drying

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    • As I have said previous, they either need good grades or go to a top 25 program. Its the same way with law. If you don’t graduate from a top 10 law school, you better have made the Dean’s list (or be a victim class)

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      • ‘Its the same way with law. If you don’t graduate from a top 10 law school, you better have made the Dean’s list (or be a victim class)’

        Lol, not really.

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  35. From the feed.

    Deja vu.

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  36. […] Men instinctively know to avoid single moms and BPD headcases. No man wants to help raise another man’s kid, and crazy drama whores aren’t much fun after the post-coital glow wears off.  […]

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  37. …and yet, even today a teenage girl has been awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace for wanting all women to cast off the shackles of domesticity for credentialized whoredom.

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  38. Speaking of women to avoid, this picture of Alison Lundergan Grimes, Democrat senate candidate in Kentucky, is a good illustration of the leftist SWPL feminist ideal woman:

    Just look at that. It’s a woman with all femininity hammered out.

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  39. Debt – that generally comes with a higher education degree – is absolutely a problem but the most off putting is the attitudes these females have. They have their heads so far up their asses, its truly a sight to be seen. Not knowing that men generally don’t give a f’ck about your degree, if anything it’s a negative these days.

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  40. The Rise of the Professional Slut “There was a time when you knew who the bad girls were,” someone close to me once said. “Now you know who the good girls are.” http://americanthinker.com/2014/10/the_rise_of_the_professional_slut.html

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  41. judy hates me,
    stepped on her cat
    i hate judy,
    she’s gettin’ too fat
    sally left me,
    i was gettin’ kinda cold
    i left sally,
    she was gettin’ kinda old

    oooh, oooh, what’s a guy to say?

    tawana don’t like
    the tapes a bought
    boo-yah tribe,
    new kids on the block
    tracy says my car is dumb
    i think there’s more
    where she came from

    oooh, oooh,
    what’s a guy to say?
    girls are turning 18 every day

    rachel turned 18 just last week
    kamie turned 18, looks so sweet
    jenny’s lookin’ sorry at 29
    but her sister turned 18
    just in time…””

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  42. I’ve always wondered in this day and age what can make a person, even a young inexperienced person, think it is a good deal to go $150K in debt for a degree in shit stirring. Young women especially are prone to it.

    Reading this article makes me wonder, though. Maybe most of these young women have in the back of their minds the thought that their future legally bound orbiter (viz, husband) will save them from their own debt.

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  43. Everyone’s got a degree nowadays. The road to money seems to be to have your own business, really (if you don’t fail and don’t get into debt). Education is great, but you can buy all those textbooks and read them on your own, and join a forum for lovers of whatever subject you’re studying.

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