Freelance Comment Of The Week: Chicks Dig Charlie Manson

Days of Broken Arrows provides a short history of Charles Manson, convicted murderer, cult leader, psychopath, and alpha male with a knack for harem building and marrying much younger women while in prison for life.

Manson:

Son of a prostitute.
No father.
Awful childhood.
Barely literate.
5’2″ tall.
Spent most of his youth in detention centers.
When he was finally released as an adult, he begged to stay inside, worrying he could not handle life on the outside.
With a few years he had harems of women.
Held orgies.
Orgies were so great that Beach Boy Dennis Wilson invited them to move in.
Dennis Wilson was a major Alpha Male rock star of the ’60s.
Manson then order his women to kill.
They were so devoted that they did.
His women were not ugly losers — some were former cheerleaders.

Say what you will about the guy, but he had an innate Alpha quality. Shame it was put to such bad use. Guys who whine they can’t get women should think about his life and how he managed to not only get women to sleep with him but basically make them servants to his will. He had some serious charisma.

I’m not surprised at the wife who is a fraction of his age. I’d be surprised if he didn’t have groupies.

He was even a talented songwriter. He placed a song on a Beach Boys album and penned this, which was later covered by Guns N’ Roses.

True love.

<dr seuss>

Yes, chicks dig jerks.
Some dig them a little
some dig them a lot.
Some chicks dig them
in the parking lot.
Some dig them white
some dig them black.
And some chicks even dig them
when they go on the attack.
Yes, chicks dig jerks
this much is true.
They dig jerks more
when they’re black and blue.
Chicks dig jerks
of all sizes and hues.
They dig charmers and badboys
and prisoners too!
Some chicks dig jerks
of the jerkiest sort.
They marry crazy killers
60 years older, and short.
Nice men and kind men
need not apply.
It’s dangerous folk
who catch a chick’s eye.
So when you see a puddle
and lay down your coat
just remember the chicks
backstage at death row.
Ol’ Charlie Manson
got himself married.
While you sit at home
and whack your tally.

</dr seuss>

On a related topic, F. Roger Devlin pondered the reason for the observable preference of women for jerks, in an article titled “The Question of Female Masochism“. A CH read of the week. The take-home punch:

I would suggest that female sadism might be expected to emerge in a society where men refuse to or are prevented from displaying dominance. A society-wide failure of men to take charge of women is likely to produce a great deal of conscious or unconscious sexual frustration in women which may express itself as sadism. […]

I do not know if frustrated masochistic instincts cause sadism in women—it is just my hunch. What I do feel confident in stating is that female masochism is a critically important subject which neither feminist denial nor the sanctimonious gallantry of Christian traditionalists should dissuade us from investigating.

You only had to listen… to yer loveable Heartiste.





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  1. on November 18, 2014 at 3:24 pm Frédéric Bastiat

    It’s amazing what influence a truly psychotic psychopath has over people. Nobody is prepared to deal with a person that has absolutely no remorse, empathy or conscience.

    Definitely not something to admire or try to emulate.

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    • yeah; we are really holding up Manson as “alpha” now? Who’s next, John Wayne Gacy?

      [CH: “alpha” isn’t a moral designation. alpha is amoral. alphas can be great men or twisted psychos. how many times have i had to explain this now?]

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  2. Point well noted, Broken Arrows.

    Another point: “Son of a prostitute. No father. Awful childhood. Barely literate. 5’2″ tall. Spent most of his youth in detention centers.”

    No parents to take care of him and he goes off-road? I’m shocked. Let’s tell the leftists and they’ll rethink their idea that families should look every which way and that single motherhood is a great thing. Or maybe they actually got precisely the result they were secretly looking for: children that grow up to be antisocial adults.

    Charles Manson killed Sharon Tate, wife of Tribe member Roman Polanski, who later raped and sodomized a thirteen-year-old girl. Who lives in France where no president Left or “Right” has made any push to send him back to the U.S. Odd, this thing called the entertainment industry. Odd.

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    • To add more related ‘odd’ entertainment industry fun facts:

      Polanski is a polish Jew. Evaded nazi’s in WW2. His wife Sharon Tate was pregnant when killed by Manson Family. He later druged and butthexed the 13yr old while doing a photoshoot with her at Jack Nicholson’s pad. Anjelica Huston (dating jack at the time) found them and didn’t care. Cops later came and found weed and blow and arrested Anjelica and Roman. He skipped country to Europe and was only arrested 30 years later for a short time.

      As Arbiter mentioned, he was never pursued aggressively and still won awards and made films. Lol.

      The house where Tate was killed was later occupied by Trent Reznor of nine inch nails where he recorded his breakthrough album …and Marilyn Manson’s debut album.

      In mid 90s the original house was torn down and rebuilt with new address. It is owned and occupied by Jeff Franklin who produced Full House.

      Que Full House theme: ” everywhere ya look…” Lolzz

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      • you can include Woody Allen in the list of industry accepted pedophiles. everyone knows about Soon-yi but there were also allegations by daughter Dylan when she was around 7 that Allen had sexually abused her. the issue was dropped at the time but i suspect there was some truth to her claim knowing how it later went down with Soon Yi.

        Allen was Farrow’s boyfriend for years and acted as a father to the children the whole time. he helped raise Soon Yi from the time she was around 8 or 9 when he got involved with Farrow. then he suddenly develops feelings for her when she comes of age? no way. a man who has taken on the role of father does not do that. no doubt he’d been jonesing for her for years.

        disgusting creep and he’s still idolized in the industry.

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      • Ripp, it’s telling that these movie hotshots had connections to a psychopath like Charles Manson. What an irony that he turned on them. Too bad that he killed the wrong person.

        Yes, Woody Allen can also be added. A disgusting creature, and yet he has never gone to jail for his crimes. It is almost impossible to go up against the Hollywood elite in court, so most of the victims don’t even try. Like those raped by Cosby, another rapist on this list.

        Then there’s Sean Penn, who attacked Madonna with a baseball bat when they were married, beat her repeatedly, tied her to a chair and left her like that for hours.

        There are countless Hollywood insiders who have done drugs. Which is ignored – they still get jobs. The drugs are a symptom of the characters in the Hollywood swamp. It used to be that a man couldn’t get a role in Hollywood if he did indecent things. Even being divorced was a mark against him. Now they can get away with almost anything.

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    • They cut open her womb and removed her baby as well. Sharon Tate was a beautiful woman of poise and grace. They then ate dinner on her bloody corpse. May God judge them.

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  3. I find it very interesting that when a woman fucks up and you give her serious communication flogging (yelling)
    That their next reaction is to give themselves to you and literally fuck the shit out of them.

    When you watch young kids, in this case girls do something wrong and get told off or smacked. They tend to sook and cry but after that they will be running to daddy for hugs.

    15 years later they’re still doing the same thing except dad’s hugs have been replaced with my cock in her mouth.

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    • What is interesting? It’s been played out over and over and will continue to be. Nothing new. This is the nature of things: it’s a deprivation game, driven by me. I make everything deprived and then the biological machines that everyone is react accordingly.

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  4. […] Freelance Comment Of The Week: Chicks Dig Charlie Manson […]

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  5. The Beach Boys, at the time of the Manson murders, had become one of those celebrities where everybody knows who they are but nobody listens to them, at least in America. They lost all popularity (although Europe still loved/s them).

    Dennis was “the good-looking one” in the group, and he was also “the bad one”. He looked different than his brothers, and he didn’t care about his hair. He was “the dumb drummer”, but also “the multi-instrumentalist” and “the artistic one.” Basically every rock cliche designed to get himself laid.

    Eventually he went diving into the ocean drunk looking for things he had thrown overboard a few hours prior. And that’s when any integrity left in the group died, with Brian being shithouse crazy and Carl being complacent in Love’s takeover (see “Kokomo” and that episode of Full House).

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  6. “Todd and Taylor were fighting in order to “make up” afterwards. It is not uncommon for wives to provoke their husbands into hitting them for precisely this reason.”

    Yup. In fact I think this is at core of most relationship shit testing. It’s more about attention/validation-seeking through provocation than value-testing.

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  7. True Red Pill wisdom – a 5’2 guy having orgies with hotties while plenty of guys hark on about how important height, money & fame is. Sure – all are powerful factors, but ultimately what matters most is the innate Alpha status.

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    • This is true. I am 6’5″ tall, in my prime I was top of the class in most athletic events, and very smart. Had no game, and treated women like princesses.

      Verdict: Could not get laid on a consistent basis. Dated a Ms. “My state,” a real foreign cutie who was an opair, and a few others, but not the real quality ones.

      Now, after the alpha attitude adjustment, older, loads of experience, and a devil may care attitude, I was getting laid like crazy. Married a foreign women a little over two thirds my age who can pay all the bills. Have a notch count in the 300s. And my wife does not care. Also, while going back to school, the 19-28 year olds I see there are always checking me out.

      Game theory works.

      So unless you want to buy stock in lubriderm, learn game.

      The change for me happened in 2003. Back when David D was popular. I had no idea, but recognized, that the tactics discussed in the book “The Rules” had been used on me in the 90s a few times.

      I got back at women with a vengeance.

      The stories I could tell………are in the hundreds. I have forgotten so many I no longer care.

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      • Alpha Agent of Righteous Karma – well done.

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      • According to a show about Manson, he ordered his women to go on killing sprees because he felt he was losing control over the women to more alpha guys.

        As his reputation grew, more guys started to swoop in on the action. At first, he allowed guys into the group, but then realized he was losing grip over his chicks to the new guys & felt killing sprees was a way to reassert his control over the chicks.

        Basically, he was a poor man’s Hugh Hefner without money to put a gate around his harem of chicks. Movie stars would swoop on Hefner’s chicks but for the fact they’d be thrown out by security or banned from future parties.

        Tis the jungle. A lion with a pride will attract other lions.

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      • you’re very smart but can’t spell au pair?

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      • True, in a pride, the male lions (or bears, or wolfs) always have to compete against the younger bucks for mating.

        Villie, the devil may care about your grammar nazi bs, I don’t. If you think good grammar gets you laid, I’m smart enough to know you’re in the wrong place. No, I don’t give a damn if I spelt your, you’re, or fuck yours.

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    • Bull motherfucking shit, shorty.
      5’2 + drugs will get you laid.
      5’2 + cash will get you laid.
      5’2 + fame will get you laid.
      5’2 + the prime minister job will get you laid.
      Geddit?

      [CH: 5’2″ + stone cold psychopathy will get you laid.]

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      • Attitude gets you drugs. Attitude gets you cash. Attitude gets you fame. Attitude gets you the PM’s job.

        Still wrong Wolfie.

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      • You can be tall and I could still pull a knife on you and cut you open…think about it…

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      • how many examples will you need wolfie?

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      • 5’2+overaggressiveness used as a coverup for weakness gets your ass laid with lots a plumbing fixtures in prison.

        Drugs, see above.
        Cash, alone, does not get you laid. It gets you taken.
        Fame, rather be the man in the back giving you permission to run your damn mouth, or not.
        PM job? Are you fucking kiddin me? Do I look like Bill Clinton (or any politician) where I spent the majority of my life catering to single mothers, and getting plowed by fat interns between bitching sessions with my overly pretentious and self serving maniacal bitch of a wife?

        I am my height. Plus a myriad of other gifted genetic traits, and some other shit. Get a shrink before you start typing some retarded tirade trying to prove how much of a man you are.

        I shared an experience, take it, or fucking leave. Take the sweat off my balls with you.

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    • Women like and expect dominance. More and more that means facing the police to get laid, even more if you are 5’2″, imo. Today, 5’2″ is an even taller order that leads to the police sooner, if ‘innate Alpha’ is social skill (i.e. Game) without social leverage (e.g. fame, wealth, political power). Not giving a fuck has limits that are closing in and height matters. External alpha status is the future until the hardening collective ultimately disintegrates.

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      • You mean how many times do you have to tell me that the grass is red, water runs uphill and yes, Virginia, pigs really do fly?
        I get plenty more than enough examples in real life, but they all look a helluva lot more like what I’m saying than what a bunch of googlynerd avatars on a blog pretend to believe to make themselves feel better.
        Attitude alone never got anyone a job, drugs, cash or anything else, except maybe a kick in the teeth.

        [CH: the alpha attitude isn’t synonymous with confrontation. this belief of yours is what trips you up.]

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      • I can attest that height helps. But I stated that my height alone was not enough to get by without game.

        The greatest saboteur of young men’s strength is older women. Particularly their mothers.

        She told you what she “thinks” she feels a man should do to win her heart when she was a young woman. But her cognitive dissonance, and the aging years of being cared for by a man, preferably your father, have also aged her hindsight. Or perhaps her ass is too big?

        Either way, what women claim they want, and the aged 80 year old psychopath trying to change laws on conjugal visits in Cali so he can poison her young womb are testament against their “aged wisdom.”

        Women hate/loathe a man who cashes his love out for any pretty face.

        Men hate/loathe a woman who let’s any random dude paint the inner walls of her baby maker white.

        Woman rarely care in actuality about your sexual past. In fact, they actually approve because they like telling other girls to eat their heart out. Even if it is a past love. The past love tells her she got her sloppy vagina taste from days gone by, and secretly hates the fact that the new girl is getting it on a regular basis.

        No cuckold gets respect or affection.

        Case closed.

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  8. Even more interesting thing about Manson is that, according to those who knew him when he was in his teens and twenties, he wasn’t a natural womanizer or cult leader.

    He even describes himself as a failed pimp (back in the fifties) in the book, Manson in His Own Words. By his own account, he worked very hard for years before he was able to fine tune the persona that enabled him to become the one of the most charismatic psychopaths in modern criminal history.

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    • > “he worked very hard for years” LOL’ed – that reminds me of several very popular posters here at the Chateau. Baron Acton said that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but lately I have come to feel that Acton was simply observing a series of self-selecting statistics and drawing an incorrect conclusion about causation. My suspicion is the The Evil Ones are unnaturally attracted to power – and will work very hard for years to get their hands on it – and that only as they increase their hold on power do they feel more confident in revealing their true natures. Along those lines, I have often worried that in teaching The Dark Secrets to newbies, we here in The Community could be empowering some very bad apples on their way to doing all kinds of horrible and damaging things to society.

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      • “If you meet the Buddha on the Road, kill him.”
        “If you meet a wanna be Buddha on the road, follow him home and bang his underserved girl friend.

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      • I wouldn’t worry too much.

        Any potential damage by a few monsters unleashed from Le Chateau still pales in comparison to the many infections being mass-produced by GloboCorp and spread through its legions of sycophants.

        But then again, I’m one of those men who really just want to watch the(modern) world burn, so long as I can still have a drink in one hand, a gravity-defying titty in the other, a loaded shotgun resting across my lap, and a prime seat to watch it all go down.

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      • I wouldn’t worry too much.
        Any damage done by a few monsters unleashed from Le Chateau would still pale in comparison to the infection produced by GloboCorp and spread via its legions of sycophants.
        But then again, I’m one of those men who just want to watch this world burn, so long as I can have a ringside seat with a drink in one hand, a gravity defying titty in the other, and a loaded shotgun resting within reach.

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      • Baron Acton said that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but lately I have come to feel that Acton was simply observing a series of self-selecting statistics and drawing an incorrect conclusion about causation.

        That quote, “absolute power corrupts absolutely”, always struck me as something people want to believe because it feels good. They don’t have power, so they want to think those in power are always bad. Or those with money. Or with looks. And this is exploited politically. Envy is one of the most powerful forces in politics.

        There are many without power who have lawless personalities, and there have been many with great power, many kings for example, who have sacrificed their own comfort and risked what they had for what they perceived to be the greater good. In fact, those in power know they are always watched, and since most people are herd animals, those in power included, they don’t much like it if people curse their name.

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  9. A regular average guy decides that he will train himself to Manson’s levels of charisma (pre-murders Manson, when he already had harems of pretty girls willing to kill for him). He is dead serious about it. Can he pull it off?

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  10. Will 80 year Charles Manson be allowed the opportunity to impregnate his new wife 26 year old Afton Elaine Burton? It would confuse blue pill men and maybe…just maybe make them question their blue pill thinking. Actually if more male prisoners were allowed unprotected sex with women volunteering their vaginas, civilization would burn down faster and more men might awaken to red pill truths.

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    • No conjugal visits for Manson. But there’s plenty of criminals impregnating baby mamas. All being housed & fed on your dime.

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  11. Since were’ talking about alpha males – anyone care to speculate why GBFM’s blog was taken down?

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    • wtf?? violation of terms of service? the fed must have decoded his writings and realised what he says is too true

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    • The patterned string of lolzlolzozlzzlzllzz’s was actually a cipher to unlock the NSA’s PRISM surveilance.

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    • The patterned string of lolzlolzozlzzlzllzz’s was actually a cipher to unlock the NSA’s PRISM surveilance.

      Lolz

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  12. on November 18, 2014 at 4:03 pm Frédéric Bastiat

    You can’t learn psychopathy.

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    • I have to disagree. It is quite possible to intellectualize yourself into sociopathy. We humans, not all, have the ability to rationalize pretty much any belief system, as long as it’s in our self-interest.

      Faced with the right incentive, you’ll be able to do pretty much anything. Experience the right kind of wrong and you could very well become a murderous lunatic.

      It’s all about getting away with it and deciding to abandon your old ways, developping a new value system. Most ppl are too attached to who they think they are and their comfort zone. Most people are too scared to find out that personality is but an egotistical investment in a self-perceived uniqueness.

      Accept that you are nothing and you’ll be everything.

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      • As I just find out in one of his interviews, Manson himself said it: “I am nobody!”

        In zen, it would be something along those lines:

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      • on November 19, 2014 at 8:36 am Committee of 300

        Personality type is concretized in youth. It arises as a child develops defense mechanisms to help it cope with ego threats and abandonment. Different types are crystalized at different ages. Psychopathy can not be learned, but that is not to say that psychosis won’t come later. The range of functioning moves along the scale from neurotic (everyone is neurotic at best according to modern depth psychology) to borderline to psychotic. Any personality type can move up and down along this level of functioning, but schizoid will never become a narcissist nor will a paranoid become a psychopath.

        http://www.amazon.com/Psychoanalytic-Diagnosis-Second-Understanding-Personality/dp/1609184947/ref=asap_B001K8DARQ_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1416410337&sr=1-1

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      • Dude, it’s bad enough that these threads eventually slow to crawl when enough videos get posted…

        … but do you have to post stuff ALREADY in the thread?

        (((shakin’ it here)))

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      • on November 19, 2014 at 1:34 pm Frédéric Bastiat

        Wow Greg, you’re a moron!

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      • It is very difficult to abandon old ways and adopt a new value system. If it were that easy, nothing would stop beta guys instantaneously transforming into legendary alphas after learning the truth.
        It is very difficult to detach yourself from a lifetime of beliefs, even if you KNOW they are harming you.

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      • @ sivan

        I never said it was easy. Most guys can’t get good with women because they are stuck in their old ways, in their self-perception, in their introspective nature. Any average guy can in 6 months of very intensive self-training and self-reprogramming have significant success with women. Most guys just need to abandon their will to fail, and accept that they need to upgrade, accept that who they are is not good enough. But most guys are not willing to go through the pain.

        http://www.salon.com/2011/09/20/greatest_pickup_artists_of_their_generation/
        You should have seen Kong when he first started. He was an introverted geeky mess. Your typical university south-east asian.

        “They themselves are makers of themselves” James Allen

        @ Committee of 300 (+ sivan)

        As far as psychoanalysis goes, I have not much faith in this subfield of psychology, which is mostly concerned with beliefs rather than facts and experiments. Psychoanalysis still needs to implement the scientific method. But we can both agree on the validity (more on this below) of those behavorist principles you have just exposed.

        Now let me go a step further. What you have written is the basis of behavior modification. A starting point if you will but this model might very well be outdated, a hypothesis explored quite convincingly by Prof. Nick Chater from Warwick University. He proposes that we (our being, our personality, our mind) are but improvising machines, constrained by our biology, in a feedback loop with our environment. There is not such thing as personality as you and I were “lead to believe in”. The way we act is not the expression of a complex and inscrutable “true me”. Behaviors are actions and those actions (in the most superficial observable sens) define the individual. A new paradigm to allow for a new comprehension of what constitutes “me”.

        Behavioral psychology is simply fascinating and behavior modification has to be one of the most interesting subjects one could read about. To make for a more compelling argument, let’s consider Dr. Zimbardo’s Stanford prison experiment (or Milgram’s). Given the right circumstances (new value system, absence of societal repercussions) most anybody will act differently.

        Now calling it sociopathy or psychopathy might not be correct (quite debatable, IMO) and you are mostly right (as long as all things remain equal) in saying that “Any personality type can move up and down along this level of functioning, but schizoid will never become a narcissist nor will a paranoid become a psychopath” but, and here is my point, almost anyone can act differently enough that anybody that knows him wouldn’t even believe what they saw. The only way to prove what I am saying would be through experiment. Quite unethical. But maybe ISIS is doing it for us.

        Stanford experiment:

        ‘Maxime did well at school, and we often saw him mowing the lawn or enjoying himself with his friends. He got on with everyone….He drank alcohol, and liked to party, but was never any trouble to his parents. He was just an ordinary French lad from a Catholic family.’
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2840596/Now-TWO-Frenchman-revealed-ISIS-executioners-butchered-18-Syrian-soldiers.html

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      • Interesting. Any other resources on behavior modification that you would recommend? I’m coming from the perspective that personality is as we were “lead to believe in”, as you said, so I’m not quite convinced that behavior could surpass and eventually even “transform” personality, but would like to read more about it.

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      • Fake it till you make it has to be one of the most promising concept for any aspiring casanova. Amy Cuddy talks about it in a TED talk. So when I first started out, I focused on two things only: Walk tall, like you own the place (body language, posture) and I improved my sense of style. Modifying my actions lead to changing my behavior and to some extent my personality (which is mostly biology: genes, meta genetics, hormones). Actions can modify your hormonal environment. A good indicator of this change has been the alteration in my tone of voice, from a squeak to thunder.

        Now, let’s not get too caught up in sementics (behavior, personality), as I am by no means an expert on the subject (I wouldn’t mind getting paid to test a series of hypotheses though). But what we can agree on is this: take any loser (clean up his act, blow him up with some self-esteem) and get him to a party where he is prequalified and do that for a year with the help of a mentor/wing. What he used to do, his actions (avoiding social interaction, outside of his comfort zone), his behavior at a party, to some extent his personality (shy and introvert) will have changed.

        Behavior is so influenced by environment and experience, change these and neuroplasticity will do the rest. Nerocircuitry will be transformed and what used to be a negative experience will be outlearned by positive reinforcement. His old ways will still be present, because as with water, years of activation will leave marks, but it is possible to build a new canal.

        As far as resources, a good starting point has to be “the brain that changes itself.” by Doidge. Neuroplasticity is such a paramount concept. Also desensitization is key.

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      • @ Sivan

        Fake it till you make it has to be one of the most promising concept for any aspiring casanova. Amy Cuddy talks about it in a TED talk. So when I first started out, I focused on two things only: Walk tall, like you own the place (body language, posture) and I improved my sense of style. Modifying my actions lead to changing my behavior and to some extent my personality (which is mostly biology: genes, meta genetics, hormones). Actions can modify your hormonal environment. A good indicator of this change has been the alteration in my tone of voice, from a squeak to thunder.

        Now, let’s not get too caught up in sementics (behavior, personality), as I am by no means an expert on the subject (I wouldn’t mind getting paid to test a series of hypotheses though). But what we can agree on is this: take any loser (clean up his act, blow him up with some self-esteem) and get him to a party where he is prequalified and do that for a year with the help of a mentor/wing. What he used to do, his actions (avoiding social interaction, outside of his comfort zone), his behavior at a party, to some extent his personality (shy and introvert) will have changed.

        Behavior is so influenced by environment and experience, change these and neuroplasticity will do the rest. Nerocircuitry will be transformed and what used to be a negative experience will be outlearned by positive reinforcement. His old ways will still be present, because as with water, years of activation will leave marks, but it is possible to build a new canal.

        As far as resources, a good starting point has to be “the brain that changes itself.” by Doidge. Neuroplasticity is such a paramount concept. Also desensitization is key.

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      • Fake it till you make it has to be one of the most promising concept for any aspiring casanova. Amy Cuddy talks about it in a TED talk. So when I first started out, I focused on two things only: Walk tall, like you own the place (body language, posture) and I improved my sense of style. Modifying my actions lead to changing my behavior and to some extent my personality

        But douchebagdeluxe, what you describe there is practice, which is what made you improve. Not faking. I think that telling guys to “fake it” will only make them disappointed, because they will soon deflate when they have nothing to stand on. Much better to tell them to find things that give them confidence. It doesn’t have to be things that have to do with game, necessarily. It could be other things, preferably in the physical realm, things they can feel a mastery of while knowing that most women do not master these things. This improves their self-confidence, makes them feel a worth that helps them when they approach.

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      • Faking till you make it is a form of practice. An improved one. Act like a million dollar and eventually you will feel like you are worth it.

        Faking till you make is of no interest as a solely theoretical construct. As with daygame, reading about it is but 10% of the equation, practice and inner game make for the rest.

        The idea is to force yourself into a new emotional state. Pretend that you are at ease with your new surroundings, act like a man insteaad of your usual boyish ways and you will morph into a new being.

        The reason I am making the distinction between practice and “FITUMI” is that it’s an exercise in self-conscious transformation with hormonal repercussions.

        As you act like a man, you will produce more testosterone and lower your cortisol, creating a biological feedback loop.

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    • Didn’t have to learn psychopathy, but I did learn to dial it up to Eleven many dollars and vaginas ago.

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    • What the fuck are you on about? I was talking to the guy who posted videos that were already posted on this thread?

      Moron yourself.

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  13. Another bullet to DoBA’s list of Manson’s accomplishments — the girls stayed loyal to him through their own murder trials. They didn’t plea bargain or confess for a sentencing deal.

    I wonder… a decade earlier Presley set off a mass hysteria just by shaking his hips. The Beatles had girls scream-ovulating. Was there a … female hunger in apex-America that some musicians and sociopaths tapped into. Their success suggests a low hanging fruit effect. No rocker today makes girls scream quite like that.

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    • After having the life pounded out of them so young by so many cocks it’s hard for modern girls to get excited. There was probably also a general cock shortage during the Vietnam War

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    • PA, this is something I often make a point of, and it’s one of those things that move people’s circles. Women screamed and fainted at Beatles concerts. Men never screamed and fainted at Madonna concerts.

      Feminists say behavior is programmed by capitalist media, for whatever reason that would be. But what media ever told women to scream at concerts? None. What media ever told men not to do so? None. Feminists can at the most claim that women “are made to desire the men in the band”, but the screaming would be completely unnecessary for that purpose.

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      • Fan culture is intrisically feminine.

        Female hysteria is only matched by omega males and degenerates.

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      • “Fan culture is intrisically feminine.”

        “Female hysteria is only matched by omega males and degenerates.”

        agree. nothing more hilarious than sports stadiums around the world filled with omega men wearing jerseys with another man’s name on the back.

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      • “nothing more hilarious than sports stadiums around the world filled with omega men wearing jerseys with another man’s name on the back.”

        Dang…hadn’t thought of it that way. Good stuff!

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      • agree. nothing more hilarious than sports stadiums around the world filled with omega men wearing jerseys with another man’s name on the back.

        …Or baseball caps with some company logo. I read this somewhere and it seems true: workers wear company logos on their heads to associate themselves with something successful. It is tragic, really.

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    • This was already going on with the big band singers like Sinatra etc. Just accelerated.

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      • on November 18, 2014 at 7:39 pm Chairman of the Board

        “What Girls Want: Seventy Years of Pop Idols and Audiences”

        “When former bobby-soxers remember Frankie of the bow-tie years, they emphasize that the Voice was seductive. Janice Booker saw her generation of bobby-soxers using Sinatra to express the beginnings of feelings otherwise inexpressible. Writes Booker, “[h]e was safe because he was unattainable; unattainable because he was a celebrity, and unavailable because he was married with children” (74). Martha Lear recalls a feeling less proto-sexual and more actively sexual: “Whatever he stirred beneath our barely budding breasts, it wasn’t motherly. And the boys knew that and that was why none of them liked him, none except the phrasing aficionados… [T]he thing we had going with Frankie was sexy. It was exciting. It was terrific” (48).

        In the highly restrictive prevailing sexual mores of the 1940s, girls’ options for exploring their sexuality were severely limited. Through movies, radio shows, and popular novels, girls were taught that sexual intercourse was for marriage only. Their own magazine, Seventeen, instructed girls to be extraordinarily careful about the liberties they allowed their dates to take; the magazine advised against necking and petting—and anything further down the line was definitely out of the question. Discouraged from loving in private, teenage girls did love in public—they loved their Frankie, fiercely, unashamedly, loudly. They made a spectacle out of themselves, they made a star out of Frank Sinatra, and they made a social space into which generations of girls following would continue to scream and faint.”

        http://www.paleycenter.org/sinatra-the-bobby-soxers/

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      • My grandmother (RIP) actually met Sinatra when she had a job a the local record store in NY. This is before Frank reached his mega popularity. She said he was not handsome in person and, close up, you could see he had bad skin. But he went on to have fame (and Game), demonstrating one of CH’s central points: you don’t need classic movie star looks and perfect features to achieve high status with women.

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      • Writes Booker, “[h]e was safe because he was unattainable; unattainable because he was a celebrity, and unavailable because he was married with children

        I watched a documentary about him though, where they said he slept around quite a bit when he was on tour, despite being married.

        She said he was not handsome in person and, close up, you could see he had bad skin.

        Interesting. And later he wore his trademark hat because his hair was thinning.

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  14. Any man whose face appears on t-shirts, esp. t-shirts with said face and no name or other text, can have an extensive harem.

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  15. Do they allow conjugal visits for max security guys like Manson? Or anyone for that matter? Honest question

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  16. Massive quantities of LSD also helped him develop his cult.

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  17. on November 18, 2014 at 4:34 pm Alex Jones SuperFan

    Alex Jones SuperFan’s guide to EDGY GAME:

    1. FLAUNT your edginess. Make sure she sees you checking out EXTREMIST NAZI FRINGE REACTIONARY websites. If she displays any problem with it, MOCK her with a LIBTARD impression & fake whimper.
    2. Unapologetically throw out the occasional “nigger”, “kike”, or “dumb broad.” If she gives you shit, snicker and say in your best bitch voice, “Whatta holocaust.”
    3. When you’re in public, BOLDLY speak your mind. Who’s going to have the balls to get involved?
    4. Secretly buy SEXY SS costumes, give her striped pajamas as a gift, and proceed to DOMINATE her like a bull.
    5. Tell her she’s your Eva Braun and must WORSHIP your fascist phallus for all of eternity.

    Soon, every time she sees some stupid politically correct point thrown out on television she’ll remember how completely and utterly BADASS and NO-FUCKS-GIVEN her FASCIST MASTER is and get WET.

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  18. That Devlin article is a worthwhile read.

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    • that devlin end bit reminds me of driving through the night hearing some old old guy with an english accent talking about willful women and the nature of woman and how once you lose control you’re unlikely to get it back and how much she hates you for it.

      anyway long story short it’s roy masters, and of course he’s also into self-hypnosis and probably a nut but in retrospect it rings pretty true, albeit very religious too. great stuff like this:

      “Generally speaking, women identify with that high place of glory, whether it’s a magazine ad, a poster, a billboard, or neon lights against the night sky. All symbolize her omnipotence, her power, and superiority over men. The men, however, see the picture from a different vantage point. They are delighted, stirred to life, encouraged to strive in the ancient way of proud men, by the vision of beautiful women they surround themselves with.”

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    • Agreed. On so many levels it’s a great piece.

      Strongly encourage the regulars to check it out.

      Biblical red pill gravy:

      http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/the-question-of-female-masochism/

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    • It’s perfect. I bookmarked it. I want to see a feminist try to rebut it.

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  19. on November 18, 2014 at 5:07 pm iObjectifyWomen

    Charles Manson is definitely dark triad, the funny thing is a psychologist tested him and they still cant prove he is a psychopath.

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  20. Manson was a fine-hued ultra alpha predator. How do you think someone that small survived prison, reform school, etc. He could spot vulnerabilities, and who has more than women? Question, if crazy Charlie had been able to sell songs and really hit it big in the late 60s doing so, where do you think he’d be today?

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  21. on November 18, 2014 at 7:01 pm Hammer of Love

    Charles Manson might not be what everyone thinks he is. You guys might want to read some of these articles on mind control and the CIA.

    He had no real family , and was almost always in detention centers, a perfect place for child abuse and governmental ” programming ” . He was also hanging around alot of musicians , who strangely, also had unusual connections to the government and various 3 letter agencies.

    http://robertscourt.blogspot.com/2008/06/donate-today.html

    http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00201.html

    http://www.truthseekersvideo.com/articles/monarch_mind_control.php

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  22. Manson isn’t quite that short–that’s a fiction that Bugliosi has been peddling for forty or so years, reinforced by deceptive photo-editing in Helter Skelter. Various arrest records and booking photos indicate he’s 5’6″ or 5’7″, and there’s at least one photo out there of Manson in the company of LEOs who would’ve been too short to be on the force if Manson were only 5’2″. It’s possible to be a 5’2″ jerk that chicks really dig, but Charles Manson is no Mickey Rooney.

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  23. on November 18, 2014 at 7:33 pm Robert the Wise

    Charlie Manson has NO “innate alpha quality”. He is simply a practiced manipulator. An ability he learned while incarcerated to avoid being raped/beaten by bigger, older inmates.

    “Manson then order his women to kill.
    They were so devoted that they did.”

    No. If you are referring to the Tate/LaBianca murders, then that is incorrect. The women followed “Tex” Watson on HIS murder mission. After Manson found out about the massacre, he claimed it was what he wanted them to do all along. If he hadn’t, Manson would have effectively surrendered leadership of the cult to Watson. Just more manipulation. Not alpha at all.

    [CH: does manipulation work on women? yes. then it’s an alpha characteristic.]

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    • [CH: does manipulation work on women? yes. then it’s an alpha characteristic.]

      glad to see you say this. most people think of manipulation only as a feminine/beta trait. that isn’t true.

      many, if not all, powerful and successful men use some sort of mental manipulation to control others and get the other upper hand.

      of course the manner in which people choose to manipulate others can be feminine and beta but it can also be masculine and alpha. it’s all in how you do it.

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  24. I rarely read Salon and I never put up links on someone elses site; you will have to find it your own selves; but a chick named Ali Drucker just wrote about 600 excellent words on there about her new existence as an alpha-widow.
    I cannot feel sorrow or even pity. But she writes dam well, and that can be the basis of a lot of redemption.

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  25. Do you mean 6 feet 2 inch(1.88 meter) Tex Watson who was married to Kristin Joan Svege from 1979 until 2003, was allowed conjugal visits with her up to 1996, and sired 3 sons and1 daughter for a total of 4 legitimate offspring that we know of and only God knows of how many illegitimate offspring we do not know of? Do you mean that if the internet pictures of Kristin Joan Svege being a young newly wed woman are correct that she was better looking in her prime than the now in her young newly wed prime Afton Elaine Burton, the current wife of the 5 feet 2 inch(1.57 meter) Charles Manson is now? Does Charles Manson have any offspring that we know of because I think he has none if I am not mistaken? Do you mean the Kristin Joan Svege who stayed married to Tex Watson for about 7 years after conjugal visits were cancelled and she could no longer feel his cock in her cunt, and then she finally left him for another man after her best years went by? How many law abiding beta men are lucky to have only 2 children to a dominatrix ball busting shrew of a wife? How many “nice” law abiding omega and beta men have no children and no adult female volunteers to even ejaculate their penises with as little as a Clothed Female Nude Male humiliating insulting happy ending hand-job no matter how much these poor men would give and be so grateful for even that little? If you can get these questions answered truthfully than you will be horrified by the truth. Maybe Heartiste should do an article about Tex Watson next. Keep proving Heartiste’s point with a man named Tex Watson who seems to be more Alpha with the ladies than Charles Manson.

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  26. “Look at your game, girl” indeed.

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  27. Can you get the same powerful results with slight sociopathic traits.?? Not full on sociopath…as in its not all or nothing….

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  28. on November 18, 2014 at 10:01 pm sheerforceofwilliam

    that dr. seuss shit was pure gold.

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  29. Hey – leave Chuck alone! He didn’t kill *anyone*..

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  30. on November 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm Mean Mr. Mustard

    Off topic, but LOLZ.

    Groom sees bride’s face, cancels wedding.

    http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/weddings/groom-sees-brides-face-cancels-wedding-20141119-11poul.html

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  31. on November 18, 2014 at 11:06 pm sheerforceofwilliam

    Another thought:
    Any open acknowledgement of the dark side of female sexuality such as masochsim is what anthropologists would term a taboo subject. The reasons for this might be explainable in terms of the fundamental premise that eggs are more valuable than sperm (insert Heartiste citation here), This is a testable hypothesis. Nerd language ensues:
    Given the biological constant of sexual dimorphism, this particular taboo should be found across both time and space. Thus there should be a long historic precedent across various societies, which would be apparent through literature and art. There should also be a prehistoric precedent, which would be somewhat more nuanced. The upper paleolithic venus figurines (interpreted as female fertility/ abundance fetishes ) come to mind here. Regarding earlier hominids one would have to look more deeply for patterns in the archaeological record for indications of this pattern of behavior. Another productive line of inquiry may be found by examining modern primate behavior (pointing a finger at you lesbian Bonobos with your genital rubbing).

    In short the Red Pill sector may be on the cusp of defining a universal “Law of Human Behavior” of which there are precious few. As others have pointed out Academia is far behind in defining and explain the complexities of male-female mating behavior, and the negotiation of division of labor along gender lines. The theoretical framework exists (see Darwin, Desmond Morris, and our old friend Mystery von Markosomething), but it is increasingly clear that Anthropology faculty defers to the whims of the most radical of feminists and anyone openly pursuing this line of inquiry will at best will not be awarded research grants and at worst will be forced to resign. The latter happened to my major professor who resisted including women’s studies in the department. Despite having founded the department, this admittedly uncalibrated, but stalwart tenured red pill older gentlemen was forced into early retirement (Heartiste please keep my name confidential as revealing it would also reveal this professor and violate his privacy).

    In contrast there are no taboos regarding reckless speculation into dark side of male sexuality (e.g. we’re all natural born rapist who need to be taught how not to rape, and shit of that nature).

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  32. Most will be inspired by this but few will actually take action and learn Game. The belief that you have to be rich, tall, good looking, etc will start to creep back into most people’s minds and they’ll go back to their old state. The main quality I can see that Charles has is a ferociously strong frame. He creates his won world and everyone else is just living in it and playing by his rules.

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    • Yes, but isn’t it the frequency rather than the variety? Breastfeeding reduces the risk of breast cancer in women, but that doesn’t mean we need to breastfeed twenty different babies 🙂

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  33. on November 19, 2014 at 1:44 am Mean Mr. Mustard

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    • on November 19, 2014 at 1:46 am Mean Mr. Mustard

      If he would go back to terrorising Hollywood alone; I’d have him released tomorrow.

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      • Amen to that..

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      • The guy is pure psychopath scum, but there is no denying he has absolutely devastating “no fucks given” charisma:

        “I’m nobody… I’m a tramp, a hobo, a boxcar a jug of wine… And a straight razor if you get too close to me.”

        A brilliant turn of phrase set up and delivered (presumably) extemporaneously and off-the-cuff.

        It’s fucking Heartistian… As in, “Leg up, the fulcrum of his maleness insolently displayed under her nose…so rock out with your socks and cock out, Package Delivery Man, you’ve got that special something chicks dig.”

        And the non-verbal facial mockery beforehand? Withering, contemptuous, insolent… You can almost sense the interviewers balls ascending into his body.

        It’s now 50 years after Tate-Labianca and society is still fascinated and spellbound by the guy.

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      • Excellent point!

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    • Am I the only one who thinks that our forefathers were correct in merely hunting down men such as these and lynching them from the nearest tree, with extreme prejudice?

      Geez, Louise… the cult-worship mentality of our spiritually-starved society… no depth of depravity is too deep to plumb… and then keeping these guys alive in the media, on top of it all.

      The soul sickens.

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  34. Why didn’t the last line rhyme…

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  35. Devlin is my hero.

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  36. Let’s not forget the kind of woman we’re dealing with here. I haven’t seen much information about his woman’s background, but I’ll bet you dollars to doughnuts that her and Manson have many similarities in background.

    Very likely her mother is a single mother, she has likely been abused sexually and/or physically as a child, no surprise at all if lot and lots of substance abuse is in that history. What little has been written about her background indicates an emotionally and/or mentally unstable person: she left home at 17 to go out to California to be closer to Manson and she insists people call her “Star” rather than her real name.

    Not quibbling with the idea that jerkishness in men, even if to the heinous extreme Manson took it, attracts woman, only pointing out that when you do get to an extreme, the type of women you are more likely to attract are also at an extreme.

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    • I’d agree with that assessment. Even if the gals look good you can bet dollars to donuts they have a damaged background. That’s fine partner hood if you are a male psychopath…but not what you are looking for if you have some humanity left in you.

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      • Wrong.

        http://fox2now.com/2014/11/18/st-louis-woman-to-wed-charles-manson/

        Why must dudes INSIST some girl like this is batshit crazy…all it took was a few letters to get ensnared by his charms. This guy, if he walked up to an ATM line with your gf or wife in front of him. You can bet she’d AT LEAST go to bed thinking about him earlier in the day but most likely she’d walk away with him holding hands. Dude is that good….his reputation proves this. He got pretty, hot, GOOD girls, to fuckin kill for him.

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      • “Why must dudes INSIST some girl like this is batshit crazy…all it took was a few letters to get ensnared by his charms.”

        dude. come on. she’s a nice looking girl. so what’s keeping her from finding a great guy to have a real relationship with? there is obviously something wrong with her.

        she could only be ensnared by the charm of an 80 year old man in prison who she will never have a real relationship with, physical, sexual or otherwise because she IS crazy and dysfunctional and probably not capable of having a relationship with a normal human.

        if she were normal and healthy mentally, she wouldn’t be wanting a “relationship” with that freakshow instead of a real relationship with a regular guy.

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    • Parents still married… Strict, religious upbringing. Devout Baptists. Claims she was locked in her room for days on end as a child and excommunicated from her friends. Parents vigorously deny it.

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    • Certainly. Keep in mind that many of the commenters are autists with no grasp of nuance.

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      • Yep. I think a lot would be cleared up by seeing pictures of the crazier commenters. Alas, the lonely omegas are the ones with the most free time on their hands.

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  37. lot of discussion this week over this with friends…general consensus among them is “she really took the piss dad off thing to a new level” and I’m thinking..if I was her dad, I really wouldn’t be too upset. She married a white dude who’s behind bars, can’t really do anything to her ever, can’t have a kid with her and run off, can’t beat her down in an elevator, won’t be getting into many mudsharkery gang bangs any time soon like that one twitter girl did….really if you’re her dad it could be a lot worse. Worst case she comes out a total alpha widow because well…what other poor sucker next in line will stack up to fuckin charles manson.

    Seriously, I’d be more upset if my daughter was juggling schlongs of all different colors like almost all 26 year old 7s…she’s really not bad looking at all. Shame she’s wasting her youth on this dead end

    If you had to choose…would you rather your daughter marry Manson or get in gang bangs with 6 black hoods? what about nuke her family for whoring out with her 16 year old student and filming it? What about mother 2 children with 2 different thugs by 25? What about if she rode the carousel for 10 years instead? A lot worse shame to be had, Dad will be OK.

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  38. Manson:

    ‘Son of a prostitute.’

    You can bet that mommy wasn’t emotionally nurturing to him. Learned psychopath behavior.

    ‘No father.’

    Lifetime of daddy issues.

    Awful childhood.

    Can’t imagine being a son to a prostitute being a great childhood at all. Who knows what things he saw, heard, or experienced.

    I’d say his ‘success’ with women came from an ingrown hate of them or mutually understood daddy issues. Not a man to emulate.

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  39. Meh. This isn’t really impressive because his wife isn’t much of a looker. In fact she’s actually quite unattractive. But that’s just me.

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  40. on November 19, 2014 at 8:10 am Pervert from a high school playground

    In this photo she is the very definition of 7.5

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    • I don’t think her looks are in question here. It’s more of how looney she is on the inside.

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      • But long hair, pleasant face, nice body that isn’t fat is pretty much at least a 7 looks wise in today’s brave new world.

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    • I don’t know who she is (re. ‘loony’ remark) but looks-wise she hits all the sweet spots for me.

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    • She looks like Todd Rundgren with tits…

      … not sure I could get past that, myself.

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    • She’s cute.

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    • That’s an 8 a 9 if not for her strange face…

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    • The crazy is more obvious here.

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    • Not that it really matters how she is graded, but I’d say that’s a 6. Which means: ordinary attractiveness. One step lower is “not attractive but not ugly either”. Actually I’d say she’s a low 6.

      But there is so much inflation in this grading – no attractive woman is graded as lower than 7 or, more often, 7.5 anymore. Whenever someone has hooked up with a girl and writes about it, she is always at least a 7.5 in the description. I always keep in mind when a guy in a forum posted pictures of the girl he had met at a club, who he had described as a smoking hot 8. She was at most a 5, horse-faced. Not attractive. But he had hooked up with her, and that changed his eyes.

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  41. “According to CNN, she said she was smitten by the infamous criminal after learning about his environmental philosophy, ATWA, or air, trees, water and animals.”

    There you go.

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  42. O.T, but definitely up your alley Heartiste, as it relates to body posture and modern lifestyles that affect us:

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/11/look-at-how-texting-is-warping-your-spine.html?mid=twitter_nymag Haha! That cellphone you’re addicted to is turning your posture into a slouching beta!

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  43. But why …

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  44. Not sure if the CH covered this story when it broke, but it’s one of the funniest I’ve ever heard….Two women fighting over a man’s corpse…because one of them kissed the dead guy on the mouth lol

    Any boxing fans over the last 20 years will appreciated it even more…

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/catfight-erupts-macho-camacho-wake-article-1.1209855

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    • Mexicans will be Mexicans. These are the people who make Virgin Mary dolls with grinning skulls for a head.

      Camacho, a former super featherweight, lightweight and junior welterweight champion, was shot on Nov. 20 while sitting in a parked car with a friend outside a bar in his hometown of Bayamon.

      Mexican culture….

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  45. on November 19, 2014 at 5:24 pm Hammer of Love

    Here’s another thought about this whole situation. Consider the possibility that Manson’s new wife my actually be very conning. Due to all her new found “fame” she can hit the paid talk show circuit, magazine interviews, and a possible book deal, all without actually having to fuck the guy. Am I incorrect in thinking that she might be sly as a fox. I don’t know the legality of things, but as his wife, wont she get control of his ” estate” when he’s gone ? What about a possible movie deal about his life ? Some women can be very sneaky, even the “Hippie” environmentalist types.

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