Richard Spencer And His Glib Heil

A few quick thoughts on the recent media frenzy that erupted after the nominal leader of the alt-right allowed himself to be photographed at a bar in DC dramatically thrusting up a seig heil with a Jewish friend and a female compatriot, Tila Tequila, an Asian reality TV star.

(I won’t link the photo. You can do a Startpage search and find it easily.)

First, remind yourselves that if no edgelord alt-rightist was available to mischaracterize in service to the anti-White Narrative, the leftoid media would invent one out of a moderate alt-rightist, (or even a gullible dope like Jeb). So whatever you think about Richard Spencer’s cheeky antics, know that a less trollish Spencer would not mean the sudden efflorescence of a fairer leftoid media hatemachine.

Second, the media assault was pre-planned with the sole purpose of cornering Trump into, once again, “disavowing” an alt-righter. Trump disavowed, but as usual did so in that way which makes it hard to miss he was subtly mocking the character assassination rituals of shitlib media. The end game is the same for the dying legacy media:

Alt-Right: *assaults public square with realtalk*
Trump: *disavows*
Media: *preens*
Alt-Right: *continues realtalk assault*
Media: BTFO

The American public is inured to the media anti-White shell game by now. A couple of grinning doofuses Roman saluting with an Asian girl? It won’t ping any normal American as a threat…or even a story worth reporting on. Meanwhile, the fashy photo op opens the Overton Window so wide the media is left blind-sided to the erosion of their narrative.

Although given to immature public attention whoring, Spencer isn’t a schmo. He’s a bright guy and his website, Radix Journal, has better writing and better ideas than anything that National Cuckview has put out in the last ten years. Spencer can intro the American public to ideas that legacy media conceals. So this pile-on by the media just might backfire in the long run.

Spencer is not the enemy. The media is the enemy. As hbr nrx twatted, “Reminder: Tim Wise is far more extreme than Richard Spencer, but Tim Wise gets paid large sums of money to give speeches at universities.”

Having softened Spencer’s public persona and decriminalized his nazi-larper signaling with just as much flattery as I can muster before feeling a bit nauseous, I hasten to add that the stunt he pulled did no favors to the Realtalk Revolution he wishes to lead into the limelight.

Semi-ironic meme war is most effective online, and when the media is complacent to the memetic threat. The Meme Wars are not as effective in real life when the media converges for a kill. Multiple tributaries of memetic warfare knock media libs off their game. Focusing the slippery White Nationalist memes onto one live person — in this case, Spencer — plays to the media’s strength.

The best response to the media’s smear and caricature tactic is to diffuse alt-right power to many sources and have self-disciplined leaders. By self-disciplined, I mean controlling the urge to upload dank visual memes into real life actualization. Prankster hijinks hitched to a leader occlude seriousness. One silly photo can cause a movement to be stillborn when the media maintains ironclad control over perception, which they still do when single photos capturing a moment in time are the standard by which the media sustains its White dispossession narrative.

The uniting theme of the alt-right is rejection of race & sex equalism. I like to think Chateau Heartiste was among the first online repositories of dissident speech to smash the Equalist Megalith. However, CH is in the shadows, so media management is not as much a concern for our ‘umble retreat in the dank wood as it should be for public figures like Spencer. As long as the guiding principles of the alt-right rebellion stay true to the fundamental premise of intrinsic race and sex differences, it can withstand the bad optics of a few drunk-happy thought leaders mischievously mugging for the camera.

That said, bad optics aren’t always blessings in disguise. There is a risk that poor message discipline and sloppy public relations will discredit the alt-right before it has a chance to get out of the Twatter ghetto.

A free piece of advice for the burgeoning alt-right revolutionaries who are now grappling with standards of entry:

Publicly defend, privately cull.

No enemies to the Right is excellent public policy, but a bad way to manage private affairs. The Left is currently destroying itself by forgetting the second half of my advice and allowing the degenerates and misfits to run the ship aground. It’s time to discourage the alt-right from doing the same.

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Before anyone gets the wrong idea, this post should not be read as a call for Spencer to apologize or backpedal. Good lord n butter, that would energize his media tormentors a thousand times more than they are already. If we’ve learned anything at this blog and from the past year’s events, it’s that one should NEVER apologize to the rabid Left, even if what one has done is bad form. (Spencer did nothing wrong except violate style rules.)

A way for Spencer to turn this bad press around and come out looking better is suggested by commenter Lovekraft:

The next time Spencer speaks in public, he should be wearing a Malcolm X t-shirt with his hand raised high giving the Black Power salute.

When media ask him why he’s wearing it, he looks them in the eye and asks them if they’re now ready for a real discussion.

(which won’t happen because the narrative is still locked, but the ‘get down to business’ approach with the media could shift them into Trump territory).

While the Nazi-Black Panher comparison isn’t perfect, it will “reset” the optics and put the leftoid hivemind media on the defensive. It’s a finger in the eye of the media, pointing up their hypocrisy in how they cover White vs black tribal salutes.





Comments


  1. Alinsky: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it”

    Much of the media success in Hivemind actions proceeds from this rule. Spencer they can use it on.

    The AR, being more diffuse and with no one person said to be coherently leading it, is a much harder target. That is why the lugenpresse was reduced to using a frog cartoon instead, which led to them exposing themselves as ridiculous.

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 2:52 pm long dong silver

      Exactly. He thinks he has balls by pulling the nazi stuff but it’s a severe tactical error. It just shows he lacks self restraint. If he ever wanted a poltical career, he’s out. Radioactive. Politics is a long game. Just ask David Duke.

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      • White people are so used to being cowed that their assumption is that Donald Trump is the most radical politician that will ever be. Within 10 years he will be considered moderate. Fighting for our race will be considered as natural and normal as it is now for blacks and mestizos.

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    • Yup. If you guys in the Alt-Right are going to shove the proverbial shiv into their heart, you are going to have to be well disciplined when doing it, and ostracize any who stray from the thin line approach. When you get big enough, then you can attack full frontal.

      Personally, I’m only here for the wording. The Alt-right is largely just another group to me. You here don’t predominately deal with the issues of family law, but good luck to you all the same.

      Despite me having three bi-racial kids. Hahahaha

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      • I always appreciate Mexicants who upgrade their children’s genes with an infusion of White female DNA. It’s the ultimate compliment.

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      • on November 27, 2016 at 12:12 am Vagina dominator

        Three biracial kids?

        Well, you say biracial but it is probably more like tri-racial as it is very doubtful that you are some kind of pure-blood Castilian.

        That aside, I’m willing to bet that the three kids are from three different mothers, you don’t live with any of them, they’re all on the public dole, and the women are all shaped like they’re wearing a couple of lifesaving rings under their form-fitting T-shirts.

        So, uh, congratulations you winner.

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      • on November 28, 2016 at 1:57 am Randy The Random

        All this race talk is misdirection.

        I am far more worried about the genetic predisposition of white European men to pussy pedestalize.

        Question:

        How did lily white countries like Canada, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, etc. become the cuckold capitals of the world?

        Answer:

        Women. Women always vote to fitness test their men. They will bring in foreigners, start wars, destroy companies, and sow chaos as much as possible. Why? To make sure the sperm that’s fertilizing them is coming from battle tested warrior stock.

        Women need to SEE their men crush the opposition. They need to SEE their mates conquer the enemy and execute him. They don’t understand abstraction, they are a visceral creature. They need to experience the orgasmic high of mating with a man who is stained with the blood of his enemy.

        We have denied them their deepest desire. And so they turn to the Muslims or the Dindus.

        The alt-right is already beginning to pussy pedestalize by focusing on race and forgetting about sex. They think that their fair maidens will magically fall in line and vote for them. Just like they did in the countless lily white countries which are now cucked beyond all redemption…

        Spineless, pussy pedestalizing fools. They will drag out the decline until the barbarians swarm the gates.

        I predict the whites that survive the next century will all be Muslims. Without sexual repression of females there is no civilization. No culture has ever managed to suppress female sexuality as successfully as religious societies.

        Christianity needs a rebirth, and a return to a legal doctrine comparable to ISIS-style sharia. Turning the cheek will not work. It will only result in a thorough butthexting.

        Wake up white man, and see your dear women for what they truly are:

        Eve, destroyer of paradise.

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      • on November 28, 2016 at 2:04 am Randy The Random

        Vox Day, self proclaimed genius of the alt-right:

        “The primary political problem in the USA is not feminism, it is ethnicity.” [1]

        We’re doomed.

        1. http://alphagameplan.blogspot.ca/2016/11/white-women-voted-for-trump.html

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      • “Wake up white man, and see your dear women for what they truly are:

        Eve, destroyer of paradise.”

        this is exactly why white ethnostate secession won’t work. if whites don’t go full shitlord, and they think that retreating to their own homeland will solve their problems, yet continue to relate to their women in the same cucked way, then the problems will just repeat, but now with less land.

        the unavoidable solution is to go full shitlord, in whatever form. and if you’re going full shitlord then why on earth would you start by giving up territory that you already mostly control?

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      • “Mexicants”, “So, uh, congratulations you winner.”

        “These women want battle tested men.”

        Classic. You haters keep me coming back for all the wording. Don’t agree with you on much, but keep it coming. It’s funny.

        Hey fellas, I’m not Lation. I’m white. I use the name because I think it’s funny. Let’s see what other creative hate words you all come up with.

        Hahahahahahaha. The last one of women wanting men who are battle tested actually resonates with me. Cause that’s me. So am I some sort of hero because I got other races’ women to take my battle tester? hehehehehe

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 1:42 am rationalisationhamster

      1 Spencer toasted, with a glass in hand, you can see the glass in the video.
      It was not a Roman Salute or Sieg Heil.
      2 The Roman Salutes had been done in the spirit of light hearted Irony. The Two men in the photograph with Teila Tequila doing Roman Salutes were interviewed outside saying they were Jews who were curious. So they trolled it. There is a YouTube video of these people.
      3 Some members of the audience Roman Saluted. Several have explained their actions notably on red ice radio.

      We can get through this.

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      • Yes, let’s get through this with spin! Rather than manly appreciation for the real issues at stake: we will not defeat the Enemy by marching ever onward towards the Fourth Reich! That’s exactly what they want you to do and why they literally groomed Spencer for the fall.

        The issues at stake: The Right Stuff and Daily Stormer are toxic and are a dead end. Talking about toasts, “Roman” salutes, Jews and such can change that fact.

        Spencer got lured into their orbit and has paid the price. The movement as a whole cannot afford to do the same. And no,pretending to do all this with hipster irony is not going to save you, it makes you look gay.

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      • I don’t know what’s worse, to be a concern troll or to be a cuck?

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      • on November 28, 2016 at 7:26 am rationalisationhamster

        Anyone that isn’t a left wing SJW Marxist globalisationist is going to get called a racist frequently and a fascist/nazi almost as often as soon as he voices an SJW nonconforming Opinion.

        Normal White Americans are now Nazi.

        So unless you are prepared to cower and hide your opinions or distort them you will get called a racist and a Nazi.

        Get used to it, it’s not going away, it’s only going to get worse. It’s going to get physical as these animals no longer think and are dehumanising us.

        Learn to ignore the insult but most of all learn to attack them rather than hand the initiative to them.

        Sieg Heils are OK in trolling memes to trigger the idiots but are a disaster in a high brow conference with MSM in attendance.

        The media should not have been allowed in nor should photography or filming have been allowed. That was the problem.

        The media are 100% cunts.

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      • And no,pretending to do all this with hipster irony is not going to save you, it makes you look gay

        I don’t see that Spencer’s larping was even “ironic.” It didn’t come off as ironic.

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      • Anyone that isn’t a left wing SJW Marxist globalisationist is going to get called a racist frequently and a fascist/nazi almost as often as soon as he voices an SJW nonconforming

        In war, you enemy is always going to try to shoot you down. Doesn’t mean you load the gun for him. In the courtroom, your adversary is going to tell awful stories about you. Doesn’t mean you should agree with him.

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  2. “The uniting theme of the alt-right is rejection of race & sex equalism.”

    so CH, what do we do with this? the entire fragile edifice of modern “democracy” hinges hiding that ugly truth. do we pretend to ignore and legislate around it? or do we unapologetically throw that turd it on the table (as Spencer is trying to do) knowing full well that the end of the Big Lie means resetting the modern world as we know it?

    we’re gonna have to choose at some point, no? as we’ve all learned, compromise on equalism got us nowhere.

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    • I saw a main news clip that showed Spencer saying ‘they need us…we don’t need them’.
      That was the most powerful message I have seen in the MSM probably ever.
      He deserves respect for that. Brilliant exposure. May lead to many awakenings out there.
      Not of course shown in the MSM was when he said Trump could be the most pro Zionist President ever.
      Of course this just could be Spencer’s 15 Minutes of fame and he is being used to get at Trump but shitlibs around me are all talking about it.

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 2:56 pm long dong silver

      How do we deal with the fragile edifice of modern democracy? Quitely remake it in our own image one child, one family, one neighborhood, one church, one city, one county, and one state at a time.

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      • This^1000.

        But not so quietly. Express White pride in private, among family and friends, and embody White virtues. Keep yourself in shape and well groomed. The jewstream media depict White nationalists as ugly, filthy, slovenly, and stupid. Let your life prove the jewstream media nothing but liars.

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      • Take back the dinner table, the classroom and the pew…

        Start today…

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      • ‘Sacly.
        The ‘well-groomed’ part can be taken different ways, I’ve been letting my hair grow to rebel against the unfortunate worldwide White Male Balding and ill-advised shaving of heads, little birds can now build nests up there, and that’s a good thing.
        Eat healthy – no junk, no packaged crap, no additives, colors, preservatives or similar poisons – and train, train, train.
        Running the risk of repeating myself (yet again…), it is the sacred duty of every White male to get himself into good enough shape that he could take on at least 3 or 4 of THEM.
        White women should do the same, assuming they are not 100% brainpoisoned beyond repair.

        It seems that what the Germans call the ‘Nazi club’ is losing its effectiveness, even over there.
        Now and again, someone will post a perfectly reasonable and well-founded comment on sites such as pi-news dot net that calls ALL things by name and does not perform the knee-jerk licking of Hebrew boots that has been required – especially by Germans – for so many decades.
        They’re waking up, hopefully just in time.

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  3. This changes nothing. Many average White Americans are secretly BEGGING for a movement to come to the fore that will simply demand a permanent end to mass 3rd world immigration.

    There is nothing wrong with plainly stating that we want to keep the racial demographics of the country as they are currently.

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    • Aside in my faggy blue pill days I was working in shitlib faggy central. One day on a road trip in Pennsylvania I was at a gas station and a group of Steelers fans were coming back from a game at Baltimore. Everyone of them were shitlords over six feet all jacked ..all with blonde babes. It was like a Nuremberg rally you see pictures of in Time magazine. It just hit me…I need to man up but also these are the shitlords that women and fags say they hate but want to get fucked by. White people are craving indeed a majority white land with shitlords and attractive women.

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  4. Up to two years ago we were on stormfront moaning continuously with nothing happening for a white nationlist cause. I like Duke but he just points out the negative all the time. He’s right of course but jeez it was depressing with nothing to motivate you or look forward to.
    Now we have the Trumpening….the NPI getting mainstream coverage and assaults from all sides on the liberal establishment by the likes of Milo and Ramzpaul etc.
    Not to mention CH and Anglin.
    Modt if not all have flaws but we have to stand together.
    I’ve seen a few snide comments about Spencer from Internet Warriors and my question would be… when are you Internet Warriors going to stand up in front of the world’s media to voice your beliefs and face mass hatred, physical assaults and potential career sabotage not to mention death threats?
    Some crazy dindus could pull a gun on these dudes.
    Spencer’s sexuality was questioned …well he got recently divorced from a Russian woman and has a child.
    I liked Spencer’s speech. He stumbled a fair bit and to me seems not ready for this current limelight that he never probably expected.
    But we have to stand together in the face of a huge enemy.
    Milo is brilliant at cutting political correctness down. Spencer comes at it from a intellectual level. Anglin says himself he is not a good speaker but jeez he puts himself out there.
    CH comes at it from a game perspective and even the likes of Roosh and Rollo play a part.
    This is fucking exciting but we have to stand together. William Pierce’ organization fell apart after he died as most movements do due to infighting and splits.
    United We Stand

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    • “Milo is brilliant at cutting political correctness down.”

      Milo is a flamboyant homosexual skype who misrepresents, co-opts, and distracts. He does not belong here.

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    • “I’ve seen a few snide comments about Spencer from Internet Warriors and my question would be… when are you Internet Warriors going to stand up in front of the world’s media to voice your beliefs and face mass hatred, physical assaults and potential career sabotage not to mention death threats?”

      It’s a simple and unfortunate answer: anonymous members of the Alt-right will go public when the principles that are involved in the Alt-Right – principles that were common sense 100 years ago – become common sense again.

      So long as our livelihoods and dreams are at a clear risk of ruin simply by stating the obvious, most of us will not “go public”. This isn’t cowardice, its simply the practical decision. It is not practical to go around proclaiming Alt-right ideas. The anonymity inherent with the Internet has been our greatest asset – it’s what enables the Alt-right to be an information/data machine, rather than simply being a “political movement”. It’s what has, in Taleb terms, enabled our “anti-fragility”.

      Of anything, going “un-anonymous” – which is what it seems you are advocating – is precisely what liberals and the media want. It lays us right into their domain and it wins us nothing. Put it simply: the media/liberals win far more than us if we (or a significant number of us) go public; whereas we win far more from them if we remain anonymous. This dichotomy will remain until our arguments and principles become common place, and how they will become common place is, at the moment, complete speculation.

      Now, with the above being the case, it follows that those who do go public – Spencer being an example – are more likely to jeopardize the alt-right’s goals than anonymous members (I won’t go into the details of why this is, because I think its obvious), which implies that their actions will necessarily be more scrutinized by anonymous members (Internet Warriors) than the actions by anonymous members themselves. All of this to say that it is perfectly reasonable for anonymous members of the Alt-right to be heavily critical of public members.

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      • This dichotomy will remain until our arguments and principles become common place, and how they will become common place is, at the moment, complete speculation.

        Memes and satire revealing the truths they so desperately seek to hide.

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    • The fact that the alt-right is now taken so seriously as an extremist and dangerous viewpoint, is already a great victory in and of itself. The next step is to establish its own social media/Internet platform apparatus much like Twitter, Google, Facebook, Tinder, etc.

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      • Or more to the point, most Americans have no clue where the ideas are coming from (the alt-right), but yet they indeed understand the impact of these views and are indeed influenced by these ideas.

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  5. I agree. I don’t know why nazis hold such sway over the alt-right. nazis don’t represent anyone but themselves and they are gone now. they threatened french sovereignty and of course British sovereignty among others. The allies of the time were not exactly leftists but things have become so twisted now that one would assume that fighting nazis is the same as agreeing with the leftist agenda. what ever happened to just making a good point that was backed up by evidence?

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    • I watched excerpts from Spencer’s speech. Were the Heilers in the audience agents-provocateur? They look silly and stiff.

      I know it represents White pride, but the Heil has devolved into kitsch.

      How about holding up an extended index finger resolutely, like “We’re number one,” symbolizing one unified White race? (But done lazily, it looks like someone signaling a waiter). It also gives you plausible deniability. I’m sure someone can think of something better.

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 3:00 pm long dong silver

      National Socialism is a dead idealogy kept around by prison gangs and kooks. Some say it was cooked up by globalists to destroy Germany in the first place.

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      • Their NS domestic policy of family life, men as warrior shitlords, fit females, work ethic, racial pride, usury laws, exposing the kikes, 4 children per family, classic arts, nationalist schooling, strict gender roles, law and order, cleanliness, futuristic cities and infrastructure …every business or cultural decision based on ‘is it good for Germany’ Is a good blueprint.

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      • Identity Politics however is not dead, nor will it ever be.

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    • Different conversation for a different day but for Nazi Germany to survive they had to take out the French threat and put in a pro German Vichy Government. And they never wanted war with Britain they wanted an alliance.
      Himmler even wanted white Americans and British to live in Germania.
      But I agree Spencer needs some guidance from a seasoned pro. I wonder what Kevin MacDonald thinks?

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    • Coll uniforms and symbols

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  6. I just don’t know what Richard Spencer does that’s any good besides unify all of the right wing critics of American Conservatism together at NPI conferences. But is it a good thing that he brings the respectable people like Peter Brimelow together with people like Tila Tequila?

    The way I see it, there are people who are alt right because they have been redpilled and the alt right is the only place to go for Realtalk. I would put this blog, Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, anything on Vdare, some things on Takimag in the Realtalk category. And then there are 1488 people, wigger nationalists, etc. I would put Andrew Anglin, The Right Stuff, maybe Red Ice Radio (although they aren’t as bad as Anglin), and The Daily Shoah in the 1488 category.

    Yes, I know, no enemies to the right, it’s good we have a vanguard pushing the Overton window right even if they are wigger nationalists, and whatnot. I just wish that the Realtalk side of the alt right was bigger and the 1488 part smaller. The Realtalk side is the part of the alt right with all the good ideas. The 1488 people are just good at memes.

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 3:37 pm Captain Obvious

      “Good Ideas” & $10 will buy you a tuna fish sandwich.

      Memes conquer the world.

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      • I was persuaded by the good ideas I found on Vdare, not by memes.

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      • Memes conquer the world, in internet and real life. Search, (((russian))) revolution, nazism, etc.
        150 IQ asperger logically solid utopies and their convincing arguments are in the side of libertarians. This is pragmatism good goy. We don’t need to justify our own nationalist needs. No one does it

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    • If you are against white nationalism you’re definitely not one of us. You have to be at least 14.

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  7. A call for temperance should be heeded here. Don’t give the idiots ammunition to fire back at you.

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  8. Rainbow Poz Warriors never eat their own, but always protect, defend, and make excuses.

    The White Right should emulate the Poz Left in this regard. Never back down, never apologize. If someone flies the Heil, say it was taken out of context, it’s an inside joke.

    But even if it wasn’t a joke, then talk about how he was attacked and abused by minorities as a child and so, though it’s lamentable, we must use it as a teachable moment, an opportunity to do some consciousness raising of the ways minorities attack and harass Whites based solely on the color of our skin. Rainbow Poz Warriors make these sorts of arguments in the alternative all the time and never let a good crisis go to waste, so emulate their tactics.

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  9. if we follow the rejection of equalism to its logical conclusion, it means that cucks/race traitors don’t have a place the new )))regime((( either. which is why they’re clutching pearl necklaces with all the other victims over Spencer’s how-dare-he declaration of whites’ right to have a seat at the race table.

    many whites signed on with, and profited from, the victimhood-ocracy, a la Glenn Beck. as traitors to their roots, they’re the ones who will scream the loudest as their old cash cow of selling white genocide milk to the cuckolds dries up and they’re put out to pasture along side the shitlibs. they’ll be the new lepers, rejected by all sides.

    the alt-right doesn’t want to be held back anymore by baby-sitting those that can’t keep up. the victimhood purveyors had their chance, now it’s time to bring back the meritocracy, aka patriarchy 2.0, the Shitlord version. cucks are not invited. so they either man up or come out as the faggots they are. and they better hurry because it’s coming fast.

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    • I thought when Spencer was interviewed with that dindus the dindus was in panic mode. Almost like he knows the game was up.
      Hispanics have been treating me like a King since the election. They know they are dependent on us. 25 billion a year goes from the US to Mexico in remittances. So cunts like Vicente Fox are now silent as they know how weak they are . It’s about time we start asserting our dominance

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  10. on November 26, 2016 at 2:37 pm (((Divine Son of Kek)))

    Why on earth would any high profile representative of the AR be seen with that retarded jungle Asian/dumpster fire? Tila makes you all look like clowns.

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  11. on November 26, 2016 at 2:57 pm (((Divine Son of Kek)))

    If Spencer isn’t controlled oppo, at the very least, he has poor judgment.

    What he does have going for him is that he’s young, hawt and affable – definitely not what the public would expect from a far-right thought leader.

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  12. It looks like the alt-right has a glass jaw, unfortunately. A concerted shriek of “nazi” from the lügenmedia and the whole movement sits down in the ring. Sad.

    Did you expect that to stop when Trump won? It won’t. Do you think they will stop when you disavow and apologize and distance yourself? They won’t. The alt-right will always be Literally Hitler. Look, vidya boys, they will spam that attack until you learn how to neutralize it.

    We already knew this, right? Apply it.

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    • It looks like the alt-right has a glass jaw, unfortunately. A concerted shriek of “nazi” from the lügenmedia and the whole movement sits down in the ring. Sad.

      We aren’t sitting down. We are distancing ourselves from someone who was deliberately playing Hollywood Nazi in front of the mainstream media and who has explicitly tried to associated himself with us and with Trump.

      You have a choice between (A) keeping Spencer or (B) being able to grow the movement, have real influence, and retaining most of the higher IQ people who are already here, or were here before Typhoid Spencer shit the bed.

      The next step is very easy. Simply split from Spencer. It’s one man (one idiot). Disavow him. And, for his part, if he cares about the future of our people, he must fall on his sword.

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      • Oh, “we” are, are we.

        I wrote another long explanation of not buying into the media frame and having some spine, but perhaps I can demonstrate it in a simpler way.

        You, Opinionator, are proudly alt-right but disavow Richard Spencer. First question: Do you disavow gas chamber memes and those who make them?

        Spoiler: I have a reasonably long list of deplorables for you to disavow, but rest assured that at the end of it, you will still be guilty of being Literally Hitler.

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      • There is a big difference between anonymous troll memes used in the back and forth of Twitter banter and a self-proclaimed leader of a new national and international movement playing Hollywood Nazi on camera in front of the mainstream media and a nation and world that is receiving its first impression of him and the movement. Just tragic.

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      • Oh, so you do NOT disavow gas chamber memes? Enough about Spencer, what about you.

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      • Opinionator. YOU are not WE. If YOU were Alt-Right, then YOU would know that WE have no intention of splitting from the guy who coined the term. RS raised a glass and made a toast and a couple guys stiff armed, so now because YOU are scared of the media saying ‘nazi’, YOU have decided that RS is responsible for guys in the audience. We are done playing that game. WE don’t dance for the MSM any more, WE call the tune. RS stays.

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      • Opinionator. YOU are not WE. If YOU were Alt-Right, then YOU would know that WE have no intention of splitting from the guy who coined the term.

        Spencer didn’t coin “the term.” Even if he had, it took on a different meaning in the past one to two years, when its success was at its peak. Even if he had, he is not entitled to speak for the movement.

        RS raised a glass and made a toast and a couple guys stiff armed, so now because YOU are scared of the media saying ‘nazi’, YOU have decided that RS is responsible for guys in the audience.

        Spencer gave a speech that was laced with Nazi references and yelled Sieg Heil, Heil Trump! at the end of it.

        We are done playing that game. WE don’t dance for the MSM any more, WE call the tune. RS stays.

        It is Spencer who danced like a monkey for the MSM. The Alt Right is finished as a growth movement unless something is done to disassociate from Spencer.

        Mark my words.

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    • One good way to neutralize it is to know more about it – meaning actual facts, not propaganda – than they do.
      What exactly does the term ‘Nazi’ mean ?
      They don’t know. Not really.
      How did they come about and get into power ?
      They don’t know., they just think they do.
      How exactly did the events of the 1920’s, 30’s and 40’s unfold and how do they fit into a historical picture, going both backwards as well as forwards ?
      They don’t know, they just jerk their knees and spit venom.
      Shine the light of truth into their eyes and they will run back into their holes.

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      • In the public’s mind, Nazi means complete evil, mass murder, genocide.

        Good luck trying to reverse, in a few months time, with limited access to media, decades of programming.

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  13. Many of us prefer the more casual heil.

    Some boy-san out with his yid and gook playmates givin’ the stiff arm causes such a frenzy of discussion?

    Both the MSM and youse guys have me (((shakin’ mah haid))).

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    • Yeah, I must be missing something. I thought it was a good speech..
      Spencer didn’t seig heil -that was planned ahead of time & done by the juice crew and reported accordingly by the red press. They were doing this stuff at all the Trump rallies. So what?

      Cernovich & Watson seemed to really catch the vapors over this. hmmm.

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    • Where´s the problem?
      Hitler did nuttin´wrong.

      (that one gave even me a pause, still funny AF)

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  14. on November 26, 2016 at 3:37 pm mantle of hate

    I’ve been discussing this with the dingo Twitter boys, and my take is strategically it’s only anonymous online Twitter Nazi lapping that has the potential to be a useful tactic: flood the media with gas chamber memes and trigger them into public apoplexy, while normies watch on and see nothing to back up their kvetching in ‘meatspace’, discrediting the media in the process. However like you said, this relies on not providing them with irl optics. after all the Fbi and (((splc))) have been paying people to do just that for years for a reason.

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  15. Jeez what happened to agree and amplify?
    War is not won or anything fundamentally changed until everybody can exercise Roman/Fascist salute as one sees it fit; for fun, to provoke or to subscribe to ideology that it represents
    If we are half way through that is because we pushed Overtone window that far not asking cucks and leftoids should we have
    It is sorry a picture to see some of alt right siding with enemy in attacking Spencer (Some of which the same people to attack for being to soft just a few months before)
    In accepting the enemy characterization of what you and they call 1488 as something inherently and supremely evil you lay the blueprint for your defeat
    In last 100 years there was only one political movement who advocated and fought for what we (or some of us) believe in: beauty, truth, masculine strength and courage in face of adversity, the need need to return to our Hellenistic-and Roman roots and most importantly that oppose to the ((( financial oligarchy))
    and its (((executioners)))
    We who have the all of benefits of hindsight should know better, much better

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 4:26 pm long dong silver

      Never go full retard or full nazi. Use subtle means of deprogramming pc libtards. Be a certified pc libtard deprogrammer L+ certified. Its takes a safecracker, not a buzzsaw. Always leave plausible deniabilty with a reframe. For example, try saying that a particular dastardly person belongs in the oven. Say for instance that the topic of a pedo in the news comes up in conversation. Say that the pedo belongs in the oven in Schwarzenegger type voice. The libtard will probably agree. Next time you talk to them, try using the same tactic when someone less dastardly comes up. Keep doing it till you’re accused of being a denier or antisemitic. Then say “Whoa, you’re the one going there. I mean like hansel and gretel evil witch oven. You know, the kid story.” Then take the opportunity to ask what they know about the holocaust. At that point, you’ve hacked past the firewall. Begin correcting the record on ww2 and the 6 million number–Gently and methodically. That will begin their journey to question history, then the reality that history built.

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  16. The enemy is stupid. National Socialism is the endgame. White Nationalism is not enough. White Supremacy and White Hegemony are essential. I didn’t start this War, but I WILL END IT.
    KILL ‘EM ALL, LET GOD SORT THEM OUT.

    Two can play this Genocide Game. I play it better than they do. Trump can’t do what needs doing. He’s already too compromised. He has rats swimming in his gene pool. We need Whiter. Much Whiter.

    No apologies. They’re enemies. All we owe our parasites is contempt and a swift kick in the ass as they get kicked OUT. ALL THE WAY OUT.

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    • Conquer, opress and kill people is a bad idea. Empires fall,nations last. Lots of good nationalist genes wasted in wars. The way to conquer is the jewish way. Use the R/K effect to get enemies dumber and the the ponce method: viral infertlization. No pain, no remorse

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      • on November 26, 2016 at 4:47 pm long dong silver

        The endgame is getting your fellow man to question why things are so f’d up. If you are responsible for getting one man to internalize the truth that the pretty lies exist, he will do the same to another man. The rest takes care of itself. Wars and violence will not be necessary. Simply not particpating in the pretty lie charade will eventually end it.

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      • Conquer? Oppress? Who started this? Not I. Killing invaders is hardly an unwarranted act. There’s a difference between aggression and defense. That said a good offense is a defense all its own. The Great Mistake made before was the false assumption these parasites would retreat and stay away, but that’s far from reasonable. Its not merely sloth that motivates these parasites. Vampires cannot feed on each other. They prey on innocent victims and (((they))) are far from that. Only when they need to hide, will they stay far away. The best way to keep stalkers away is to hunt them yourself.

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    • If Trump won’t do it, Putin or some other white man will.

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      • Good news : Soros is beng phased out.
        The bad news : Trump is established to go against Putin.

        The mess created by Obongo and shitlibs helped Russia to solidify its global position. EU became cucked and demilitarized and diverse US soldiers are promenading in high heels brought an end to Pax Americana.

        They need White nationalism and White alphas to do the job once again.
        I hope we are not that dumb to fall into the trap for the 3rd time.

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      • And don’t you think Putin, who routinely kills his enemies, will see Trumps unwillingness to take the Clintons out by throwing them in prison, as weaknesses? We get so focused on our self-righteousness as Americans who can get along with everyone, that we forget that there is a world of capable enemies out there who either want what we have, or they want us out of the other way.

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    • The point of Trump was never really about Trump himself, and he knows this. Trump has always been a great self promoter, but he had to become what the people wanted. He has always held some core beliefs, but he knows a President cannot lead a nation without a people. All politics are essentially Identity Politics, or Populism as it is now being called.

      The point of Trump is that white people are just starting to wake up, and shit is going to change extremely fast and this scares the living hell out of the establishment.

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      • I think of Trump as a kind of ‘point man’ , the first in what will hopefully be a series of major figures who will help us right the ship and return us to something resembling normalcy.
        Getting rid of political correctness, preventing the US from becoming Brazil and Europe from becoming India would already be most excellent first steps.

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      • I really think Trump was surprised by his primary victories, and becoming the GOP candidate. Even he did not realize the depth and breadth of anger contained in the well that he tapped into.

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    • AUSLANDER RAUS!

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  17. on November 26, 2016 at 4:15 pm Beautiful Truths Ignored

    1. Contrast is key.

    Those with a very moderate message can make the enemy look like fools by using extreme presentation to trigger an overreaction. Donald Trump and the “Alt-Lite” do this quit effectively.

    Those with a radical message of pure truth can disarm the prejudices of potential converts by presenting themselves in a moderate, almost bland manner. This is how Kevin MacDonald became the most influential real-talker of our time.

    Spencer is no longer ideologically “Alt-Lite”, but he still indulges in their antics. MacDonald message + Milo delivery = public relations catastrophe. Spencer has no right to discredit America’s indispensable truth tellers (MacDonald, Devlin, Brimelow etc.) by tolerating Nazi salutes at his conference.

    2. More importantly, such conduct is morally unjustifiable.

    We were outraged when Jed Sunden sent his hired whore (“FEMEN activist”) to vandalize the Kiev memorial to the victims of Communism, and rightly so. Not just because it was a criminal act of vandalism. A more important principle was involved. No one has the moral right to disrespect the memory of the 21 million Eastern Europeans murdered by the Bolsheviks. Likewise, no one has the moral right to disrespect the memory of the 6 million Jews murdered by the Nazis.

    Spencer should have expelled the porn star and the two Jewish provocateurs the instant they first did the Nazi salute.

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    • You mean the 2 million. And what about casual sex? Each time you have it, is a symbol of the 200 million babes shattered for non reproductive sex? Too many implicantions for a plain gesture it isn’t.

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    • Six million is it? Or was it billion? Or trillion?

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    • Ugly Truths occasionally tries to chime in like he’s a voice of reason, maybe even “one of us”.

      But the minute I hear “six million”, well… (((shill or useful stooge))).

      … ESPECIALLY when it’s used as a “just like” comparison to genocides by the REAL genociders… and in numbers that far greater, yet inevitably downplayed… and which Joe Public seldom hears about.

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      • on November 28, 2016 at 2:40 pm Beautiful Truths Ignored

        The 21 million estimate comes from The Black Book of Communism, which estimates 20 million victims of communism in the Soviet Union and another 1 million in the rest of Eastern Europe, mostly before 1957.

        The same book estimates 79 million additional victims in the rest of the world, mainly China.

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      • Among those many millions killed by the Communists were some of my own relatives.

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  18. CH do you know that you’re talking like a cuck talks about Trump?

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  19. I spent some time looking into this incident, because it seemed like a remarkably stupid move, something that you’d expect from a skinhead in the 1980’s. I was surprised to learn that:

    1. Richard Spencer did not do any kind of Nazi salute. He raised his drink and said “Hail Victory, Hail Trump.”

    2. There were only about three people who gave the Nazi salute, and two of them appeared to be Jews who’d gotten in with press passes. They admitted to being Jews on camera and were the same ones posing with Tila Tequila.

    3.The video is edited to look like there were more people giving the salute.

    The entire thing reeks of a setup. Some are saying that Richard should have never allowed the media to come to his conference,without offering any of their own ideas about just how the Alt-Right is supposed to get their message out by always meeting in secret.

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    • Almost all of the media lies all of the time. I thought we took this seriously by now, but maybe not. So it’s time to take the fact that the media lies all yhe time, seriously.

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      • In this case, the media aren’t lying.

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      • What media source is not lying?

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      • They aren’t lying that Richard Spencer, who has allowed himself to be described as the founding father and leader of the Alt Right, was acting like a Hollywood Nazi.

        All the other accusations of the past 16 months could be defended against and, indeed, it was becoming possible to respond to people that the media was hysterical and ridiculous. They have a real story here.

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      • You seem to have made a fair assessment. However…I found the vid and watched it. I loved it! I hope he does much much more of this in the future. This type of boldness can only help the cause and I see almost no downside to this.

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      • You seem to have made a fair assessment. However…I found the vid and watched it. I loved it! I hope he does much much more of this in the future. This type of boldness can only help the cause and I see almost no downside to this.

        No downside? Trump has now condemned the Alt Right. Bannon has been forced to move left under pressure from the media over Spencer’s antics. Nearly every public person associated with the Alt Right has had to disassociate himself from the brand. Reports coming in from private people in Europe state the same. That name is going nowhere now.

        Are you truly confident you have a clearer perspective than all of them? Are you out there in the real world trying to advocate as Alt Right now? I have to agree with them.

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      • Trump is stuck with us. Nothing he can say or do will make him redeemable in the eyes of the Establishment. If he doesn’t understand that he is fucked.

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    • Of course its a setup.
      We have won by being sophisticated, patient and ruthless when opportunity arised.
      When dog bites you, you dont BITE him back.

      Thats what they are trying to provoke.
      Champion belt is earned by Team Trump. Libs are loosers desperately crying for rematch, while Trump admin is already onto more important tasks.

      All WNs have to do is to keep shit calm until Trump ascends into office. Thats exactly what Emperor is doing BTW.

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    • I spent some time looking into this incident, because it seemed like a remarkably stupid move, something that you’d expect from a skinhead in the 1980’s. I was surprised to learn that:

      1. Richard Spencer did not do any kind of Nazi salute. He raised his drink and said “Hail Victory, Hail Trump.”

      Wrong. Spencer’s “toast” was deliberately suggestive of a Nazi salute. He raised his arm right after he proclaimed “Hail Victory” (“Sieg Heil”). His speech had talked about conquering other nations, White racial superiority, and used Nazi-era terminology, some of it in actual German (“Triumph of the Will” and “Luegenpresse”) and in prior statements he has advocated “ethnic cleansing”. In addition to that context, in terms of the physical act itself, if you watch it carefully, it is obviously rushed and awkward, as he tries to shoehorn it into the Sieg Heil and make it look like somewhat like a Nazi salute.

      In his first interviews about the fiasco, Spencer never claimed to have been misunderstood. And in fact supported the Nazi salute interpretation by speaking of his intention to “throw it back in their faces.”

      Moreover, another Nazi salute controversy (Tila Tequila’s from the night before) was already alive in the media on Saturday by the time Spencer gave his speech. He knew exactly what he was doing.

      Awful judgment.

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      • He obviously does not give a shit if that is indeed what happened lol but you have not provided your source for any of this.

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      • My source is his speech on Saturday and the video of the end of it. It’s all over the Internet. I have to agree with public perception that it looks rather ominous, as he ends by exclaiming “Sieg Heil [“Hail Victory”], Heil Trump” and rapidly raises his right arm, as audience members rise with their own Nazi salutes as the camera pans around.

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 11:31 pm long dong silver

      He lost me at “hail victory.” That was over the top without his simulated salute and the audience salutes. Granted it was just a conference but with him knowing the media was there, it reeks of setup.

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      • Yep. I’m inclined to think it was a setup rather than stupidity. Still unforgiveable.

        It’s a firing offense. He must be cut off for the good of the group.

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      • Erratum: I’m inclined to think it was stupidity, rather than a setup.

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      • Perhaps if you think it over again you are going to be inclined to think
        it was a setup again
        F*ucking cuck
        Oh sorry erratum I am now inclined to think that you are a shill rather than a cuck

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      • He’s not just a cuck, but an extremely obsessed cuck.

        Erratum: I agree with you he is a shill.

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  20. “Publicly defend, privately cull.

    No enemies to the Right is excellent public policy, but a bad way to manage private affairs.”

    So in other words, basically do exactly what Buckley and the Neocons did.

    Yeah. That’s a great policy.

    *barf*

    That’s why an alt-right arose in the first place — because of right-punching rubbish like that.

    And now, all of a sudden, after a year of uncucking the right, the idea is, “When WE do it, it’s not cucking”?

    Bullcrap. It’s the same cowardice and will yield the same results.

    “Culling” on the basis of philo-Judaism and anti-NSDAPism is the same as culling on the basis of any “racism” or “sexism.” Only it’s even worse when when even people who try to distinguish themselves from the National Review crowd do it, because they know what a rotten, backstabbing move it is, and they’ve been complaining about Buckley’s purges for years. Now, with limitless hypocritical gall, they turn around and say, “Hey, maybe Buckley and David Frum were right after all.”

    GTFO

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    • The Establishment continues to assume that the words “sexism” and “racism” etc hold power, and yet Americans chose Donald Trump, a guy who “is all of them.”

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  21. ‘Clinton Campaign to Participate in Battleground State Recounts’

    ‘Flashback: Clinton Said Not Accepting Election Results Was “Horrifying”‘

    ‘Questioned directly as to whether he would accept the outcome should Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton prevail on Nov. 8, Trump demurred. “I will keep you in suspense,” the Republican nominee said. Clinton called Trump’s answer “horrifying,” saying he was “talking down our democracy.”‘

    As always, it’s one set of rules for the anointed party and another for everyone else.

    But it’s okay. Go ahead. Tell Trump and all his voters you’re stealing the election from them. I dare you. I double dare you : )

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    • ‘Clinton, apparently taken aback by Trump’s response to the matter, hit back “That’s horrifying.”

      She went on to say, “That’s not the way our democracy works. We’ve been around 240 years. We’ve had free and fair elections and we’ve accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. President Obama said the other day that when you’re whining before the game is even finished it just shows you’re not even up to doing the job. “

      She added, “And let’s be clear about what he’s saying and what he means. He’s denigrating—he’s talking down our democracy. I for one am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our major two parties would take that kind of position.”’

      Amazing, the careless things hubris makes you say.

      Meanwhile, I hope the Trump News Network (formerly known as Breitbart) makes sure to investigate however many million$ find their way into Stein’s pocket from this, as well as exactly where they came from (*cough* $0r0$ *cough*).

      How to get rich, 1953: start a religion.
      How to get rich, 1997: start a “charity”.
      How to get rich, 2016: start a kickstarter for libs who want to virtue-signal.

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      • ‘He’s denigrating-[oops, not supposed to use words like that]-he’s talking down our democracy.’

        Meanwhile: ‘Although Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti warned President-elect Trump that defunding Sanctuary Cities would cause “social, economic and security problems,” Sanctuary California could face bankruptcy if the Trump administration follows through on threats to pull billions in federal funding.

        There are 300 “Sanctuary Cities” and counties around the United States that have policies in place blocking local law enforcement from complying with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detainer requests for immigration holds.’

        I’d pick the top ten dindufied jurisdictions out of those 300 and start with them, pour encourager les autres. Give them a one week deadline and tell the cops to start pulling out before the gibs spigots shut off. Grab a bucket of popcorn in case they call your bluff; that way it’s a win-win.

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    • From the “Good News, They’re Losing It” department:

      American Thinker: ‘There is no “alternative Left.” I wish there were. I wish there were some form of sanity still there, but now it is entirely filled with socialist rot. There are no more blue collar Democrats. They have been hounded out of the mob of the Free Stuff Brigade. It is now a cult of plunder and predation, of envy and redistribution, of hate and class warfare. It is a belief in violent statist extraction over a society that once regarded the free market of voluntary exchange morally virtuous.’

      Vox: ‘Democrats neither can nor should ditch “identity politics”
      There’s no other kind of politics. They just need to do it better.’

      New Republic: ‘The Enduring Importance of Identity Liberalism

      In his 1962 essay “Letter From a Region in My Mind,” James Baldwin identified the largest obstacle to progress in this country as the undying belief in American greatness. This is a myth that would have to be abandoned, he argued, if the country were to see itself as it truly is and redress its wrongs. Happily, there is at least one group in America who could see the matter with clear eyes, he wrote: “The American Negro has the great advantage of having never believed that collection of myths to which white Americans cling: that their ancestors were all freedom-loving heroes, that they were born in the greatest country the world has ever seen, or that Americans are invincible in battle and wise in peace.”

      You would think that the election of Donald J. Trump on November 8 would, once and for all, dispel the myth of American greatness.’

      Slate: ‘Democratic Politics Have to Be “Identity Politics”
      Ignore the PC backlash. Under Trump, the Democratic Party needs to focus on the concerns of its most vulnerable members.’

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  22. I thought I was up to speed on who was who concerning alt right, but I honestly had never heard of Spencer until the dust up.

    I’m sure we’ve all had that guy in our group that was a drag and/or liability with regards to starting shit or ruining a fun night for all. These guys can bring everyone down. But you still had their back in a fight because who sides with strangers, or in this case a known enemy. Fuck the media.

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    • We aren’t talking about someone who ruins a fun night out. Spencer has become a liability in an actual fight. He has put all of us at risk and must be dumped.

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      • Opinionator, are you CIA or a Soros troll? You suck either way. All you paid shills are too far back to actually see what we’re saying here. We don’t care about your Cuckley loser talk. Take your Bush League Taco back to the kitty box and take your crap there. We don’t care for your fake dignity, and we don’t care about “Anti-Semitic”. Whoo. Nazi Reptilian Aliens in Antarctica.
        Sad. You’re two whole election cycles behind the curve.
        We’re not sad we’re White, and those niggers can walk back to Africa for all I care. The only contribution Muslims made to America was giving US a reason to fund the US Navy and Marine Corps to bomb their asses and sink their pirate fleet on the Barbary Coast of Tripoli. SUCK IT.

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      • Only shills think strategy and tactics are important, apparently.

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      • Opinionater….over to you. Why not confront Spencer and tell him how you feel? Or are you just going to bitch on a comment section?

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      • Your strategy sounds like knob polishing at Willy Cuckley’s Lincoln Log Cabin. You paid “opinion makers” need to study up on Red Pill and White Nationalism. Your piss poor Bernays soft soap is old. Past the expiration date.

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      • on November 28, 2016 at 1:51 am Randy The Random

        Opinionator, as you know I was pretty upset with the Spencer situation.

        After giving it thought, I’d have to take the Roosh/CH position:

        I do not disavow.

        Spencer made a mistake, and his mistake was allowing the Red MSM snakes into the room. Cernovich/Paul Joseph Watson made this very clear to him, as they have been doing the independent media thing for a long time. They accused him of being controlled opposition because they couldn’t believe someone could be so incredibly stupid with regards to the MSM.

        Spencer is just young and naive. He will learn that the MSM’s narrative cannot be turned to favor him, regardless of how hard he tries. The upcoming Atlantic documentary on him is going to eviscerate him.

        Hopefully he learns from that.

        Regarding the 1488 larpers…what can you do? Roosh is Persian/Armenian and he refuses to disavow, so he must believe that they will not high jack the alt-right in any meaningful way.

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      • Spencer is just young and naive. He will learn that the MSM’s narrative cannot be turned to favor him, regardless of how hard he tries. The upcoming Atlantic documentary on him is going to eviscerate him.

        Hopefully he learns from that.

        There’s little margin for error here, Randy. Spencer has presented himself to the media that anything he does now gets attributed to anyone with even the remotest association with the Alt Right, including Trump, Bannon, and many public intellectuals. As evidence of the damage Spencer is doing, all have now distanced themselves from the movement.

        There isn’t time for Spencer to make mistakes and “grow.” He’s clearly in over his head. He must be sidelined.

        Regarding the 1488 larpers…what can you do? Roosh is Persian/Armenian and he refuses to disavow, so he must believe that they will not high jack the alt-right in any meaningful way.

        Actually, Roosh clearly disassociated himself from the Alt Right in February of this year. So he has little skin in the game as to whether Spencer’s antics have damaged the brand name. He may even have a conflict of interest.

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  23. The next time Spencer speaks in public, he should be wearing a Malcolm X t-shirt with his hand raised high giving the Black Power salute.

    When media ask him why he’s wearing it, he looks them in the eye and asks them if they’re now ready for a real discussion.

    (which won’t happen because the narrative is still locked, but the ‘get down to business’ approach with the media could shift them into Trump territory).

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    • After decades of programming from media, Hollywood, and academia, Nazis are a symbol to the American mind of mass murder, genocide, absolute evil.

      Malcom X isn’t.

      (Furthermore, many American families lost people fighting Nazis or take pride in family members who did and survived.)

      You may think that unfair, but that’s the reality we are working in.

      Unless and until that association in the American mind is changed, embrace of the Nazi brand carries a political death sentence. You want to take on the challenge of arguing for a different association (I’ll assuming there is a different perspective? How much work and how many months or years do you think that will take? And how much time do we have?

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      • “Nazis are a symbol to the American mind of mass murder, genocide, absolute evil.

        Malcom X isn’t.”

        That’s EXACTLY THE POINT. That you apparently think Spencer MUST exclusively use tropes popularly regarded as evil shows your motivations. You’re just trying to divide. Your kind has to be excluded, not allies on the right.

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      • How does Spencer’s acknowledging himself to be in favor of ethnic cleansing, mass murder, and genocide help anyone accomplish their goals?

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  24. On the ground, Spencer has people in the room who depend on him and vice versa and this gathering was a simple gathering of theorist, not soldiers.

    If this is silly bonding and posturing, bad on them. But Isis and Al-Queda are doing things a thousand times worse.

    If they are the real thing and have potential to get to the next level, them doing such a dumb stunt in public means they would have sucked in the field.

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  25. Unless there are two pictures, you’re mistaken. Of the three people, two appear to be Jewish (according to a conversation captured on video), one is Tila Tequila, and none is Richard Spencer.

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  26. on November 26, 2016 at 6:40 pm Laguna Beach Fogey

    Well said, CH.

    This is basically my position on the matter.

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  27. You should just replace your blog with a link to mpc.

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  28. CH said pretty much all that needs to be said on this minor incident.

    Let’s focus our attention on the anti-White forces seeking to destroy us and our people.

    “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

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  29. Get me out of moderation rape!

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  30. I was about to critique, but I got blamed for Bryce, so it appears I agree.

    I suggest the dark enlightenment make a list of standards, then enforce them.

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    • What made the alt-right what it is is the “just be there for them approach.” Nothing needs to change except maybe an expansion on what already is.

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  31. The point that is lost is that words such as racist or sexist or homophobe or Islamophobe are all scam words used by the left OR right Establishment to stop free speech. These words are not legitimate and are not treated as legitimate by the alt-right.

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  32. Honest question:

    Is Richard Spencer gay

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    • Oh he must be
      The very fact that he does not buy his clothes at Walmart is revealing
      and unforgivable if you ask me
      That evil nahzi homo, jeez just to think that some wanted to put Hillary in jail whiles this despicable fascist still roams streets free
      An outrage I’ m tellin’ ya’

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    • Just got divorced from a Russian woman and has a child

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      • How does his mail-order bride and single progeny exclude buggery? Do you honestly believe Milo wouldn’t fuck a woman to get a child?

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      • I don’t know if Spencer buggers.
        Maybe Opinionater is a jilted fag lover?
        Spencer met his lovely Russian wife when he lived in Toronto. She was a student there. She is a journalist and contributor to RT.

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 10:28 am (((Divine Son of Kek)))

      “Honest question:

      Is Richard Spencer gay”

      Who cares?

      Donovan, Milo, Greg Johnson…

      The Homosexual Right is an asset. End the obnoxious purity signaling.

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      • on November 28, 2016 at 2:14 am Randy The Random

        Is HIV an asset also?

        What about pedo, I mean pizza parties?

        Burn the fags.

        If anyone openly proclaims homosexuality, they will be incinerated. The only way to survive is the age old: don’t ask don’t tell.

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  33. Also, I add as a Gen Xer who lives in the corporeal world that many of the traits that make for a good Tweeter Meme Master make for a socially less than successful individual. Those who live and thrive online sometimes do so because in the real world they are borderline misfits. Life is still physical reality. Tweeter IS a ghetto, and I think the Alt Right writ large forgot that after the election and began to operate, however unconsciously, as if Pepe was in DC. In short: too many nerds.

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    • That’s because alt-right in the most purist sense does not exist in real time. What you have outside of virtual reality are individuals who may have conglomerate views similar to alt-right but if you were to show them (outside of the rare political junkie) an alt-right outpost online they probably would respond with an attitude such as “who has time for this shit?”

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  34. Spencer didn’t do the Roman salute.

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  35. on November 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm Captain Obvious

    > “smash the Equalist Megalith” ——— Mildly off-topic, but what we’re dealing with now is an artificial RELIGION which the Frankfurt School has carefully crafted over the course of the last thirty or forty years. The name of the religion appears to be “Political Correctness”. Its theologcial Trinity appears to be something like {Multi-culturalism/Diversity/Mystery-Meat-ism} and {Eco-Paganism/Global-Warming-Hoaxery/Save-the-Whales-ism} and {Free-L0ve/Free-F0rnication/Free-S0d0my/Free-Sapphistry}. Its church bureaucracy is fueled by Fiat Money and NIH-Grants/NSF-Grants/NEA-Grants/NEH-Grants/Non-Profit-501c3-Chicanery and EBT-Cards/Obama-Phones/Obamacare/Section-8/Gibsmedats and Affirmative Action. Its Eucharist consists of entire oceans filled with Chardonnay/SSRIs/Amphetamines/Methamphetamines/Benzodiazepines/Synthetic-Hormones/etc-etc-etc.

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    • on November 26, 2016 at 10:01 pm Captain Obvious

      Point being that, while the (((Skype-ish))) puppetmasters of The Left understand that this is all one great big joke which is being foisted upon the Shkotzim, the rank-and-file Shkotzim marionettes of The Left are not in on the joke, and because the Frankfurt School has inculcated a RELIGIOUS FERVOR in them, any attempt to talk sense to the marionettes causes a metaphysically dire emotional response as the foundations of their religious identity are called into question. So that when you try to coax a rank-and-file True Believer out of the cult of Political Correctness, you are quite literally in danger of destroying the very Id/Ego/Super-ego which the Frankfurt School has molded in the True Believer.

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      • on November 26, 2016 at 10:02 pm Captain Obvious

        Conversely, when one of their canonized high Priestesses [like thecunt] is knocked off the throne of power by a mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging pagan heathen idiot [like The Donald], the marionettes’ entire reason for being – their religion of Political Correctness – is shaken to its the core, and they can’t even function as pretend college students anymore: They have to retreat to their “safe spaces” and gobble Prozac and Ritalin and Ecstasy and curl up in the fetal position and suck their [email protected] thumbs.

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      • on November 26, 2016 at 10:07 pm Captain Obvious

        tldr; == Everyone needs to believe in something, and at the societal-wide level of statecraft, or race-craft, the only pertinent question becomes: Who controls the smeltery & forge of indoctrination in belief systems?

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      • on November 26, 2016 at 10:17 pm Captain Obvious

        If you doubt me, then walk into any Big Box store tomorrow, and count the product placements of artificially-constructed winterland characters [Santa Claus, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, Frosty the Snowman, J00zney’s “Frozen”, I’m Dreaming of a White Christmas, Snowflakes, Evergreens, Poinsettas, Elvis Presley, etc etc etc] versus any reference whatsoever to Mary & Joseph & the little baby in Bethlehem. You’ll be looking at a ratio on the order of 1000-to-1. Maybe even 10,000-to-1. Western Civilization has been completely gutted.

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      • Have a cool Yule.

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  36. I am dismayed by this post, but perhaps our difference of opinion is attributable to different factual predicates. You appear to be writing based on a number of false fact premises.

    The lethal imagery is not the photo of Tila and two others (neither of whom were Richard Spencer) giving an ironic Nazi salute. That was indeed ironic (and probably sarcastic) because of who Tila is and because one of the guys is Jewish and because it was a playful photo taken among friends.

    The lethal imagery is Spencer’s earnest Hollywood Nazi speech, captured indelibly on video and broadcast all over the world, with which he closed the conference. In that speech, he used blatant Nazi-era terminology throughout, some of it in actual German. He finished the speech by exulting, “Hail Victory (“Sieg Heil”)! Hail Trump!” and quickly thrust his right arm out in the air. Video showed members of the audience rising ominously with outstretched Nazi salutes in response to Spencer.

    In an initial video interview with dissident media about his speech, Spencer did not deny giving a Nazi salute and described his actions as “throwing it back in their faces.”

    Spencer has nuked the Alt Right, here, in Europe, and across the Anglosphere. If you do not grasp how damaging this is, I have to think you are not out there in real life trying to gradually push the envelope and advocate for our side with normal friends, family, and acquaintances. And are not speaking with people who are. There are reports from people in various in Europe that the Alt Right brand is now radioactive. Same with Austrualia. In the United States, many people who had begun to identify as “Alt Right” in real life feel they have been stabbed in the back, and their reputation and standing is at risk. If you need further confirmation, witness the reaction of many of the movement’s public figures (both anonymous and real name) on the Internet. Even Jared Taylor has basically just disavowed Spencer.

    “No enemies to the right” is not a blank check. At best a rule of thumb, it is also a hobgoblin of little minds. Smart organizations must–publicly–distance themselves from people who do legitimate damage to the reputation. Otherwise, the group will not survive. Like a dog who has rabies, Spencer must be removed from the group for its own health and safety. It’s all really just simple and straightforward. And it must be public, for the point is to restore the movement’s reputation in the eyes of the public.

    Spencer is a liability now. Just make the obvious decision and let’s move on and try to get back to the energy of The Trumpening.

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    • Spencer must be removed from the group for its own health and safety. It’s all really just simple and straightforward. And it must be public, for the point is to restore the movement’s reputation in the eyes of the public.
      —————————————————————————————————
      to restore the movement’s reputation in the eyes of the public.
      lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
      Which public the one of (((your tribe ))) who still firmly believes that is an absolute arbiter of what is and what is not permissible to say or do despite losing big
      Is that the same public that mounted an unprecedented campaign of lies
      against Trump and alt right which support you are seeking?
      Who entitled you speak in the name of alt right anyway shill?

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      • Strategy and tactics are for shills, apparently.

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      • If Spencer wanted to be “edgy” and make a splash he could have conceded that Pinochet or Franco achieved some worthwhile stuff. No need to hand the media a bazooka and dredge up 3rd Rch antics. Shows the ‘smarts’ of an adolescent. And anyway he should be giving praise to legit non-Neocon repubs who went before: Coolidge, Hoover, Taft, Eisenhower, Buchanan. Why cover the alt right in shit when it is still an underdog. Unforgivably Dumb.

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      • on November 27, 2016 at 9:12 am Captain Obvious

        (((They))) murdered Patton so as to insure Eisenhower’s supremacy. My guess is that Eisenhower very likely knew about it, or suspected enough to have figured out what probably happened. I also imagine that if the records still exist, deep in the bowels of the Pentagon, then you could probably reconstruct how (((they))) intervened over the years in order to move Eisenhower to the top of the food chain.

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 7:51 am (((Divine Son of Kek)))

      ““No enemies to the right” is not a blank check. At best a rule of thumb, it is also a hobgoblin of little minds. Smart organizations must–publicly–distance themselves from people who do legitimate damage to the reputation. Otherwise, the group will not survive. Like a dog who has rabies, Spencer must be removed from the group for its own health and safety. It’s all really just simple and straightforward. And it must be public, for the point is to restore the movement’s reputation in the eyes of the public.

      Spencer is a liability now. Just make the obvious decision and let’s move on and try to get back to the energy of The Trumpening.”

      Agreed.

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    • No. No enemies to the right means no enemies to the right.

      Our people and our way of life is under assault from Jew-dominated cultural-marxism and White genocide.

      No enemies to the right.

      Even if you accept the (((official))) narrative of the 20th Century, the Communists were responsible for the death of tens of millions of people, orders of magnitude more than National Socialist “NAZI” Germany. Yet there is no shame or approbation heaped upon those who wave Communist flags, chant Communist slogans, and preach Communist ideology. Indeed, card-carrying members of the Communist Party teach (read: indoctrinate) students at our public and private universities.

      No enemies to the right.

      (((They))) don’t like the fascist salute? Fuck them. These people are snakes and they want us and our children wiped off the face of the Earth. Even if you aren’t inclined to throw up your own right arm, stand by your White brothers.

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  37. As far as some specifics of your post:

    A few quick thoughts on the recent media frenzy that erupted after the nominal leader of the alt-right allowed himself to be photographed at a bar in DC dramatically thrusting up a seig heil

    Nominal leader? Few if any people in the Alt Right accept Richard Spencer as their leader. “Self-proclaimed” or “mainstream media anointed” leader? That would be more accurate.

    with a Jewish friend and a female compatriot, Tila Tequila, an Asian reality TV star.

    I do not believe that is Spencer in the photo.

    (I won’t link the photo. You can do a Startpage search and find it easily.)

    Because you don’t want to be associated with Nazis? Doesn’t that tell you we shouldn’t be associated with Spencer?

    First, remind yourselves that if no edgelord alt-rightist was available to mischaracterize in service to the anti-White Narrative, the leftoid media would invent one out of a moderate alt-rightist, (or even a gullible dope like Jeb). So whatever you think about Richard Spencer’s cheeky antics, know that a less trollish Spencer would not mean the sudden efflorescence of a fairer leftoid media hatemachine.

    First, Spencer’s speech wasn’t all that cheeky. (Yes, the photo of the three was.) Second, as I mentioned in a post to you several days ago, the media’s success in “characterizing” things they would like is among other things a function of how closely that characterization fits reality. I’d say the the characterization of Spencer’s antics last weekend is a pretty close fit.

    Second, the media assault was pre-planned with the sole purpose of cornering Trump into, once again, “disavowing” an alt-righter.

    It was more like manna from Heaven.

    Trump disavowed, but as usual did so in that way which makes it hard to miss he was subtly mocking the character assassination rituals of shitlib media. The end game is the same for the dying legacy media:

    Alt-Right: *assaults public square with realtalk*
    Trump: *disavows*
    Media: *preens*
    Alt-Right: *continues realtalk assault*
    Media: BTFO

    Really? What is the “realtalk” here? Adulating Nazis? Has the media been BTFO’d on that?

    The American public is inured to the media anti-White shell game by now.

    They aren’t inured to video of the “nominal leader” of a purportedly legitimate movement giving a Nazi salute and exclaiming Sieg Heil. Or for that matter, speaking of “conquering” other races.

    A couple of grinning doofuses Roman saluting with an Asian girl? It won’t ping any normal American as a threat…or even a story worth reporting on.

    Agree. That photo was fine and might have actually worked as irony or to challenge normie expectations of what the “Alt Right” is. Cute Asian girl, nice Jewish boy, sarcastically giving a salute.

    Meanwhile, the fashy photo op opens the Overton Window so wide the media is left blind-sided to the erosion of their narrative.

    Sorry, this sounds downright delusional. What are you talking about? I think you’ve missed the boat on the actual factual underpinnings of this entire controversy.

    Although given to immature public attention whoring, Spencer isn’t a schmo. He’s a bright guy and his website, Radix Journal, has better writing and better ideas than anything that National Cuckview has put out in the last ten years.

    Spencer is bright enough to write passing grade college papers and perhaps a grad-level Master’s thesis, but he doesn’t appear to have the talent to lead. He is not charismatic, he lacks a human touch and political judgment, he is not a good liar, and he is not quick on his feet.

    Spencer can intro the American public to ideas that legacy media conceals. So this pile-on by the media just might backfire in the long run.

    Dude, Spencer is a toxic Nazi now. Any ideas like this coming from him will not be trusted. His intentions will not be trusted.

    Spencer is not the enemy. The media is the enemy. As hbr nrx twatted, “Reminder: Tim Wise is far more extreme than Richard Spencer, but Tim Wise gets paid large sums of money to give speeches at universities.”

    Right now, Spencer is doing us more harm than the media is.

    The uniting theme of the alt-right is rejection of race & sex equalism.

    Not so sure about that. Perhaps it is Asabiyya. Perhaps it is American nationalism. Perhaps it is identity. Perhaps it is opposition to foreign or globalist rule.

    Perhaps race and sex equalism are just the tools used against us and against our achieving these ends.

    I agree with much of what else you wrote. Except the applicability of the “privately cull” rule to this situation.

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    • Get the fuck out of here, jew liar.

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    • As if we needed further proof, once again we see why Jews can never be a part of the alt-right. They are squid ink dissemblers at best, saboteurs and agent provocateurs at worst. And their incredible solipsism is even worse than that of women.

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  38. Is Richard Spencer an alcoholic?

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    • That seems plausible. I followed his Twitter for a while & listened to some of his podcasts. He has made many bad calls from things like initially opposing brexit, to cavalierly welcoming single payer health care w/in a nationalist regime. He seems completely unaware that statism leads to shitlibery & cultmarx in universities. His instincts seem more comic book than real world honed.

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    • Jeebus, any more of this (((refining))) of the discussion, and I’m going to seriously try and get my “Confirmed Alcoholic = Disabled, Gimme” badge.
      But I suppose that’s the whole point of concern-trolling in general …

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    • on November 28, 2016 at 2:20 am Randy The Random

      He’s just gone through a seperation, and his life is probably nuked permanently as a result of this “MSM 101” lesson he learned.

      Would understand him dabbling in a bit of alcohol.

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  39. The choice before us is simple and clear: Either remove Richard Spencer or lose much of the existing movement participants (including most of the higher IQ folks) and lose the capacity to bring in more adherents from the general public and therefore to grow.

    Clean break.

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    • It seems easier if you just make the clean break on your own.

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    • > Either remove Richard Spencer or lose much of the existing movement participants (including most of the higher IQ folks)

      I’ve heard this before in the HBD context. And I bet they said the same thing when purging the paleos from Conservatism. *Do what we want, it’s for your own good!*

      It must be in their holy book or something.

      PS My other comment is in moderation.

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    • The choice before us is simple and clear: Either remove Richard Spencer or lose much of the existing movement participants (including most of the higher IQ folks) and lose the capacity to bring in more adherents from the general public and therefore to grow.

      Clean break.

      What ship breaks upon so small a rock?

      I have a feeling that the folks who run like scared rabbits from this sort of thing aren’t going to be of much use securing a future for White children…

      … because as we’ve seen all-too-clearly, nigh these past 40 years, said future isn’t going to be secured by voting or by reasoning with those who have made their intentions for us White folks quite clear.

      If any of those “higher IQ folks” you’re touting are really using those brain cells, they already see the writing on the wall… and aren’t going to let the nervous nellies keep dictating terms on how run the business of securing our existence and a future for White children.

      A big “So What?” is the correct response to these latest antics.

      Tell the truth now… when the whole “grab pussy” scandal came out, you thought Trump was finished, didn’t you?

      /WELL, DIDIN”T YOU rape!

      [CH: “so what?” should be the rallying cry of the alt-right if they have any designs on achieving a lasting cultural victory.]

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      • [CH: “so what?” should be the rallying cry of the alt-right if they have any designs on achieving a lasting cultural victory.]

        Yeah, copping to immoral acts works like a charm in persuading people to like you, and want to be around you. Right.

        –You molest children.
        –So what?

        Works like a charm, right? You are off on this one methinks.

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      • “immoral acts”

        omg omg omg some people did a fascist salute omg

        Fuck your definition of “immoral” where you cede the field to Communists, cultural-marxists, and every non-White racial identity group and allow them to shit everywhere and anywhere with nary a peep of disavowal or condemnation from anyone on the left, while letting (((them))) get your panties in a bunch because some young White men dared to raise their arm and hail victory and our people.

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      • Nazis have been defined as immoral in the eyes of the general public. That is a fact.

        How do you propose to draw general support to an immoral movement?

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      • Yeah, copping to immoral acts works like a charm in persuading people to like you, and want to be around you. Right.

        –You molest children.
        –So what?

        Works like a charm, right? You are off on this one methinks.

        That “pussy grab” really sunk the Trump campaign, didn’t it, Shakes? :duckface:

        Okay, OpiningMater, you really told on yourself with THAT one.

        Stiff-arm salute at a gathering of like minds (and a few shills) is the equivalent of pedophilia… riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

        Kikes and their useful idiot stooges just can’t help but keep trying the same ol’, lame ol’ shaming tactics… and then wonder “wha hahpen?” when the world stops listening.

        :

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  40. From someone’s comment to one of Spencer’s blog statements on this issue:

    It’s one thing to say you won’t ever apologize just because some leftist witch hunters demanded that you should; it’s another to say that you won’t ever apologize even when you genuinely fuck up.

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  41. Spencergate is just pussygate all over again. The reality and the spin bear no resemblance to each other.

    What was actually said in the pussy leaks tape? “They let you do it,” and “you can” grab them by the pussy when you’re rich. Consensual activity wasn’t just implied, it was explicitly indicated.

    What did the lugenpresse say? “Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women.”

    What actually happened in the final moment of NPI? Richard Spencer said “Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory,” and raised his glass. Approximately 5-7 people in an audience of 300 gave Roman salutes.

    What do the lugenpresse and hasbara shills say? Richard Spencer shouted “Heil Trump, Sieg Heil,” and then gave a “Nazi salute” which was reciprocated by “the room” erupting in “Nazi salutes.”

    FOCUS ON THE TRUTH, PEOPLE. Stop being cowed by jewish hysteria. If you don’t stand up for your own people, no one will.

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    • He said, “Hail Victory!”, which translates to Sieg Heil. Earlier in the speech, he had talked of using words “in the original German.” He used other words that were the English equivalent of Nazi era slogans.

      The arm gesture was deliberately ambiguous. I was just making a toast – *wink wink*

      And he was greeted with real Nazi salutes from the audience in response.

      Lying press ain’t lying this time.

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      • He raised his fucking glass. Anytime someone raises their glass it’s “ambiguous” and might be a Nazi Salute? You are a liar and the press is lying.

        So what if he referred to German phrases? We’ll use whatever words we want you Israeli fuck. We’re not scared of you.

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      • Not anytime. But in this context, and in this manner, yes.

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      • Okay, grandma psychic jew, anything you say. We can’t raise our glasses when we’re speaking in praise of our people because that could be interpreted as “Nazi” and “Nazis” are evil.

        What “manner”? How do you possibly construe that? It was brief, his arm was bent, he was moving as he did it, and he was holding a glass– literally the only thing that resembles a Roman Salute is that his right arm was raised. Is it that famed jewish paranoia taking a hold of you?

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      • Spencer knew exactly what he was doing.

        He tried to play the ambiguous act, plausible deniability game, but the Spero chose a shitty and senseless foil and he also fucked up the “plausibility deniability” part.

        He’s a loser.

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      • He knew what he was doing? What are you talking about? What did he do and why does it matter? Who cares?

        He’s a “loser” to cucks and pussies and jewish agents. People with testicles are fine with him. Like we weren’t going to be called “Nazis” no matter what, you assclown. Oh god we almost had it and then Richard Spencer raised his glass! Damn!

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      • Your idol obviously has a drinking problem. He should check himself out of real world politics and into a rehab center.

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      • Your idol Hillary is far worse.

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      • 1. Fuck off
        2. Lugenpresse became the second most popular search term in Germany in 2015 after Merkel open the borders and the German MSM tried to make out an army of doctors and rocket scientists were coming in. Not to mention the Cologne sex mobs cover up.
        3. Your having a his system faggot fit. Why don’t you talk to Spencer or start your own movement instead of being a bitch behind a screen?

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      • on November 27, 2016 at 9:16 am Captain Obvious

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      • lol “real nazi salutes”

        gay

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  42. This is from an ally in Austria. Posted as a comment to one of Spencer’s statements attempting to damage control. I hadn’t even seen this before posting my prior comments about reports of fallout in Europe. So this is further evidence of the harm Spencer has caused.

    “You were not making a joke, everyone could see the expression on your face when you were hailing whatever. You were full of yourself and thought we could go straight to some conception from a futuristic magazine out of Italy from the 20s. From the bottom of my heart, I hate you for what you did to this movement. I am from Austria, and even our local papers were full of articles about the conference and the nazi salutes.
    You single handedly destroyed the label, it doesn´t matter what the other side does, we already know that they are full of shit, what matters here is that you scared off reasonable people who were almost willing to take the step.”

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    • You sound like a Nigerian prince fucked an Israeli hooker.

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 9:17 am Captain Obvious

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    • You single handedly destroyed the label,

      I must have missed something…

      I could have sworn I heard cries of NAH-ZEE directed towards everyone from Trump to anyone identified with alt-Right, New Right, and everything up to Divine Right, WELL before this Spencer fellow’s antics.

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  43. I’m as right wing as anyone here and really don’t understand this love of the Nazis.

    There are two main strands here:

    1) historically the Nazis can only be considered losers. Losers who committed genocide whilst losing;

    2) it’s getting on for a century since communism and fascism came to power. Neither ideology has much to offer us living here in the 21st century; we will need to develop our own philosophies.

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    • No genocide.

      It’s all jewish lies designed to prevent White pride and White consciousness in our people.

      The Germans only lost their bid for freedom because the ZOG US jumped in and was funding the Soviet war effort.

      We don’t have to, we shouldn’t, copy them, but we can honor them. We can honor NS Germany, we can honor the CSA, we can honor all of our heroic ancestors going back to Greece and Rome.

      Leftists openly admire Communist murderers, but we can’t admire our guys? *emphatic headshaking*.

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    • Whetther or not you love Nazis (even for someone who did love them), Spencer made a colossal, unforgiveable blunder.

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      • By raising his glass. Fuck off, shill.

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      • And proclaiming, “Sieg Heil!”

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      • He said “hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory.” Not “Sieg Heil.” We speak English in America, NS Germany spoke German. There is nothing wrong with hailing victory. Victory is good.

        “Hail to the Chief” oh god we’ve been nahtzees all along! The whole history of our country is a big NAZI LIE!

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      • Hail to the Chief is an American idiom.

        Hail Victory is a Nazi idiom.

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      • “Sieg Heil” is “Nazi,” “Hail Victory” is an American alt right phrase. There’s nothing wrong with it. That is unless you’re a hasbara agent whose task is to sow dissention and all you have is this stupid bit of language policing sophistry to do it with.

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      • Opinionater,

        Hysteria is feminine and skypey. This overwrought Woody Allen schtick is just plain off. You need an editor.

        I don’t find you credible.

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      • “Hail Victory” has been part of the lyrics of American football’s Redskins fight song since 1937. The whole stadium sings it every time the team scores a touchdown (so yeah, infrequently).

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    • It’s a type of knee-jerk rebellion kind of thing.
      I spent a couple of years in east TN, and the number of especially young people who describe themselves as ‘Satanists’ in east TN and western NC is astounding.
      It’s their way of rebelling against the extremely, thickly oppressive atmosphere created by Southern Baptism, which is rather choking, even to an outsider like myself.
      They are looking for what they believe to be the exact opposite of the dominant culture/religion, not realizing that in order to be a ‘Satanist’, you first have to accept the Christian world view.
      I think the key is to restore the Nazis and all their stuff to their rightful place in history: About 17 years total, 12 years in power.
      That’s it.
      The history of Germany – in various forms – goes back over 1000 years, the history of Whites much, much more.
      The Nazis really shouldn’t be more than a chapter in a very, very long story.

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      • Well, my friend… why do you THINK the NAH-ZEES continue to be such front-page tabloid fodder and Synathedral shaming gambit?

        Must have sumpthin’ to do with sumpthin’… prolly related to who buys the most barrels of ink.

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    • I’m not interested in any NAH-ZEEs myself… I’m looking forward to the birth of something new, not resurrecting the old.

      But I have to admit I’m a bit tired of hearing “genocide” only when people talk about the Germans… Communists alone, across the entire Asian continent and through Mother Russia, have killed far, far, FAR more people.

      This “it only counts when it’s (((us)))” stuff stinks of week-old gefiltre.

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  44. Spencer may very well be the alt-rights Ernst Röhm. Founding member of the Nazi Party and early ally of Adolf Hitler, later executed by Hitler as a potential rival/hindrance during the Night of the Long Knives.

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  45. Opinionator’s opinion is wrong. He’s a shill.

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  46. I love the Richard Spencer is an alcoholic trolling at 11pm EST on a Saturday night when this blog is quiet (it’seems regulars out fucking).
    (((They))) are clearly worried and are attacking from all angles.

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 9:58 am Captain Obvious

      (((Their Sabbath))) doesn’t end until sundown on Saturday. You can always tell a new JIDF/Mossad initiative by (((its))) timestamp. (((Their))) “Nicole” initiative was like that – always disappearing Friday afternoon and then returning with a vengeance on Sunday morning.

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      • on November 27, 2016 at 10:01 am Captain Obvious

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      • Holy fuck how does that even work? The jews span the whole planet.
        I bet there are bone-thru-the-nose jews in Papua NuGini right now, studiously avoiding the headman’s pig feast and thundering away censoriously on their wind-up clockwork tablet PCs. Any old nosh that comes into their pointy heads, just bog the thread down, smear it in verbose shite.
        Or is it like rugbiters seeking lifetime idleness, at many levels above min. wage asylum up here? They got special alarm clocks with compasses and yodelling that let them know when it’s OK to start in on the pork scratchings and Scapa during Ramalamadingdong. Due to it being sundown in Mecca or some such equatorial latrine. Or sunrise. Or is it when it’s pitch dark from taking a dump after lunch to .. start of lunchtime? I get bamboozled with their weaselly hypocritical bullshit.
        Like the Pope eating gannets, or geese or something, because idiot scholastics had assured him they were born out of barnacles, and therefore fish. How very fucking convenient.

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      • Fuck. Tags. Sort it out yourselves if you can be arsed.

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  47. on November 27, 2016 at 8:12 am (((Divine Son of Kek)))

    Incredible.

    Opinionator came through with the hammer of Thor.

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  48. Can someone tell me what “tendie eating” means? Never heard of that one.

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  49. Spencer will go on in some shape or damaged form. He just burned a major bridge, and most of the savvy folks who attended his last conf will be treating the guy w/ extreme caution (as a pariah or rain man) going fwd. If you watch the video closely, it is clear that he was being too reckless with the brand, and gave the msm a major propaganda tool. A lot of folks on this thread are using the logic of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend..” Sure he can be your friend – just don’t let him be the face of the movement. I reckon Alt Right as a brand will become known as the obscure refuge of S**tdisturbers who aren’t ready for the big leagues. All the major players will either start a new brand or simply disown the guy.

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 9:39 am Laguna Beach Fogey

      NPI events aren’t exclusive enough.

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    • I’ve said before that the so-called Alt-Right doesn’t have a “leader” nor does it need one at this stage. Spencer speaks for no one but himself.

      We dissidents just took over the damned GOP.

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  50. And OT, but hysterical.

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  51. on November 27, 2016 at 10:55 am hardscrabble farmer

    Richard Spencer is no more a Nazi than Tobey McGuire is a super hero. These are simply caricatures developed in order to put forth a narrative. They are childishly superficial, predicated not upon their own self image but on those created by others and good only for the amount of time in which they can maintain a desired perception by the creators of that narrative.

    Every White male living in the USA will be called a racist/misogynist/homophobe at some point in their life regardless of behavior, beliefs, etc.

    Anyone who rejects the Official Narrative publicly will be called a nazi.

    Anyone who advocates publicly for themselves, their family or their friends on behalf of their identity as a White will likely find themselves the object of a media witch hunt.

    Anyone who survives that, economically, socially, mentally will discover that they were correct in most of their assumptions and get on with their life. The relationships that survive this firestorm will be better because they will prove immune to both social and economic fallout. Be prepared to create a life that is anti-fragile, i.e. not dependent upon others for your own sustenance and support and you will emerge stronger and more resilient.

    These are realities of the day and age in which we live. Only you are required to live with yourself for the rest of your life and the thoughts inside your own head. It is a form of self denial to give in to beliefs and opinions that are not the product of your own life experience. You can and the majority of people do, in fact. That is a choice you must make for yourself.

    Those who choose to distance themselves from you based on what people who do not know you have said about you are not your real friends, nor would they ever support you in the event of a real crisis in life so you are better off without them. Those who remain loyal will themselves be strengthened by your resolve in moving forward.

    True freedom comes from one source alone- self. You either give it up to remain ‘acceptable’ within the larger framework of whatever current belief system is popular and politically expedient at the time or you claim it for yourself by exercising your God given right to believe what you like based on what you know and believe to be true.

    There is no protection from your opponents targeting and singling you out for ridicule and ostracism. There is no behavior, no amount of goodwill or prior decency exhibited that will shield you from their attacks should they choose to select you.

    Live your life in whatever way best suits your beliefs and needs. If it means pretending to be something you are not, do it. If means exercising your liberty in whatever form it takes as the mood strikes, be aware of the risks and make sure that you plan for the eventualities that may follow. Real life does not take place in the pages of a newspaper or in the ether of the Internet, it happens wherever you are and it is yours alone, not the majority opinion.

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    • I live in shitlib central and the reaction to Spencer is different than 2 years ago.
      People are paying attention…it’s getting unlimited coverage. Even NPR interviewed him and was a decent interview. It’s getting a message out there. Maybe younger people are googling this Richard Spencer and then finding CH or even Anglin.
      Jared Taylor has disavowed him. Taylor’s generation did nothing except pontificate in private meetings. NPI was basically that but now it’s evolving and getting bigger.
      Spencer and Trump have huge flaws. But they and anybody else are not the end result just parts in am evolving movement.

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    • Give me a few thousand hardscrabble farmers and I will establish a nation.

      I salute you, sir.

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  52. on November 27, 2016 at 10:58 am Russian Limbaugh

    Nevertheless…They are still “Lying Press”

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  53. My replies keep getting et, dammit… one last try.

    A great, big, fat “SO WHAT?” is the correct response to any pearl clutching over this latest tempest in a teapot.

    All the nervous nellies chiming in now about disassociation from Spencer sound like the same ol’ same well-meaning conservatives over the past 40 years whenever someone “too controversial” came along… how’d THAT strategy work out?

    Finally we get someone like Trump, and yet the so-what lesson still hasn’t been learned?

    YOU DON’T START, END, OR PLAY AT ALL FROM WITHIN THE SYNATHEDRAL’S FRAME!

    Tell the truth, all you who are running for vapors over this alleged NAH-ZEE incident:

    When Trump’s p-u-s-s-y-g-r-a-b “scandal” emerged, you all thought he was finished, didn’t you?

    WELL, DIDN;T YOU?!!! 😡

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    • “Just ONE more sacrifice on the altar of “respectability,” and the leftists will finally realize that I’m one of the good guys like them, not a bad man who makes them scared.”

      Did the media just stop lying right before Spencer asked if Jews were human and did a two arm nazi salute? Did the media regain all of its credibility right before it decided to slander the alt right? Did the “all press is good press” truism that got Trump into the white house stop being true?

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    • Notice the crickets?

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  54. TSW clones say out with Spencer. I’m convinced. Spencer can stay.
    The Alt-right needs a reality TV show, Called ‘Biggest Nazi’ whoever gets declared by (((them))) to be the biggest Nazi wins.

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    • on November 27, 2016 at 1:57 pm (((Divine Son of Kek)))

      Nazis are lame.

      Why would you want to be associated with historical losers? Even ironically?

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      • You jews are losers. You never created anything. You “win” like the flu “wins” and cockroaches “win.”

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      • I could give you six million reasons, but they are all made up. Afraid of the bogeyman you people made coming to life?

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  55. Isn’t it strange, now that we won, victory seems hollow? Here’s why:

    It’s not the fact that we *wanted* to win, it’s the fact that we *had* to win.

    The part of me that loves pussy felt betrayed by our women folk. They needed Daddy’s firm hand to set them right again, not that it pleased Daddy…okay, well maybe just a little.

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    • I wouldn’t say it feels hollow, but yeah it was definitely asymmetric. OTOH, Western societies do tend to hold off fighting until it’s do or die time, whereupon they “do” with a vengeance.

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      • Your “Asymmetric” description is a better word to describe the victory. Our massive efforts pre election aren’t proportional to our magnanimity in victory.

        It was a win, for sure, but something’s changed…we now KNOW our enemies.

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  56. The madman said it.

    ‘(REUTERS) U.S. President-elect Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday that besides winning the Electoral College “in a landslide” in the Nov. 8 election: “I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

    The allegation, made without evidence [who you gonna believe, us the trusted and true MSM, or your lying eyes?], comes as Democratic rival Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over Trump has surpassed 2 million votes and is expected to grow to more than 2.5 million as ballots in populous states such as California continue to be tallied.’

    2020: Trump wins by an even bigger margin over the Warren/Castro ticket; shitlibs realize they fucked themselves again by helping push Trump to investigate voter fraud and enact strict voter ID laws.

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    • I for one am fine with shitlibs re-enacting the same nonsense that helped sink Cruz, namely D&D rules lawyer bullshit openly meant to thwart the will of the voters.

      And once again it highlights the idiocy of the cucks, who for years said “any minute now, we swear, the libs will go too far and the people will turn on them, we just need to lose one more election guise!” None of them could have dreamed of the behavior we’ve seen from shitlibs in the last three weeks.

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  57. Wow. You update your original post and do not address its factual inaccuracies even after they were pointed out to you.

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  58. What’s interesting about Spencer is that, similar to Milo, he likes to say edgy stuff (gas the kikes!! lollolol kill all queers!! lolol hang ’em niggers high lollolol edgy!! lolollllll sieg heil seig heil seg heil seigheil segheel segillololollollolozo). However, also similar to Milo, he likes to talk like a fag. In a way milo and spencer are very similar people – they both say edgy stuff and they both have very gay mannerisms. I’d say the biggest issue with spencer isn’t his edginess, it’s the fact that he likes to act gay. There’s no way that guy hasn’t sucked a dick.

    Therefore, given that spencer’s gay, it’s really hard to take anything he says as being sincere. It’s very similar to a jew becoming a leader of the AR, or a negro becoming the leader, etc. What makes anyone here think a Jew or a negro’s gonna allow white nationalist principles to come to fruition? What makes anyone here truly think a faggot’s gonna allow conservative principles — which are all explicitly anti-faggot — to become a reality? Not a chance in heillolol

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  59. Here! Here! Heil Trumpus Maximus! Heil Victory! Blut und Ehre! Blut und Boden! Gott mit uns!

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  60. Hail to Warrior

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  61. So Steve Bannon is now under pressure because of the Spencer’s Nazi antics. Don’t be surprised now if the Trump administration (in cabinet picks, policy, and rhetoric) is forced to move leftward to distance itself from Spencer. Well done, everybody.

    Richmond Times-Dispatch:

    Trump can win support among African-Americans and Hispanics, he said, if the new administration can deliver on a “unifying message” of strong schools, safe streets and jobs.

    “And condemning any kind of form of racism or hatred that’s out there,” Bannon said.

    The fears of those who think racist groups have been energized by Trump’s hard-line campaign stances against immigrants and Muslim refugees were heightened last weekend when the National Policy Institute, led by alt-right figure Richard Spencer, held a gathering in Washington that included Nazi salutes and shouts of “Hail Trump!”

    In a Breitbart post titled “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right,” written by openly gay right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, Spencer was included in a rundown of “dangerously bright” alt-right intellectuals.

    When asked about the scenes from the alt-right conference, Bannon said he does not follow Spencer’s group and does not know much about it.

    Breitbart’s mission, he said, calls for “more voices, not less,” with no single line of thought dominating the site. Race-based nationalism, he said, is a “non-starter.”

    http://www.richmond.com/news/local/government-politics/article_0f87d838-4aaa-5e4f-b717-6a342a00b89c.html

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    • A lot of echo chamber on this thread from Spencer’s hardcore defenders. No point in trying to persuade….whatever the facts on the ground, their response will always be to cite the price of underwear @ Kmart in Cinci, OH. Somebody who has been in the game a long time fighting for immigration restriction like JD Hayworth or Tom Tancredo could tell you that optics and strength of megaphone are huge in winning (or losing). If we end up not getting an immigr moratorium or a wall or stopping the refugee scam, we can look to events like RS’s speech as the fodder for our opponents. The irony is that nobody even need “disavow” RS. Simply to concede that he is an immature publicity hound who put his status seeking ahead of the good of the movement.

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  62. Richard Spencer’s poison continues to spread. It is now threatening Trump’s immigration restriction policy agenda.

    The path of destruction is straightforward.

    –Spencer brands the Alt Right as a neo-Nazi, ethnic cleansing, White separatist movement.
    –He links the Alt Right to Trump
    –He states that limiting immigration is a step toward the goal of White supremacy (neo-Nazi, ethnic cleansing, ethnostate).
    –Trump’s immigration restriction proposals come to be seen as a step toward the goal of White supremacy and eventual ethnic cleansing in the United States.

    http://www.vox.com/world/2016/11/28/13716038/alt-right-policy-platform-trump

    [CH: vox is discredited. the blog equivalent of neurotic jew toilet paper. i’d sooner take the rantings of reverend jeremiah wright as serious discourse on trumperica.]

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  63. Agreed that vox, salon, huffpo, nyt etc are neurotic liberal echo chambers. The problem is that their crap makes its way onto news aggregators like att.yahoo.com and sometimes seeps into AP stories, or onto CNN which still has a few thin shreds of cred in some centrist voters’ eyes (or hopes). It probably gets play in Euro press channels too where there is less alt right presence to push back against it.

    Listened to Spencer’s latest podcast & he is chastened, but unbowed. Gotta admit, he is articulate, and clever. The problem is he also has a delusion that he can play the role of the badboy Dr. No or Goldfinger, and really rattle the msm, move the Overton, etc. If he could genuinely move the Overton with proposals that are at least credible (like paying some admitted refugees to return home), that might be a useful way for those of us slightly to his left to triangulate off him. However, his policy stuff may just end up evoking Yugoslavia type civil war scenarios. The msm is going to gladly oblige him all the coverage he wants, so he can utter “Alt Right” and “Trump” plus whatever daring thoughts he has in between. Apparently he has an event lined up at Texas A&M soon, and we can brace for that dustup. If he does more of the play acting, his (former) allies will soon be regarding him more as the Great Cornholio than Dr. No.

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