Repeal The IMBRA Now

For those of you in the dark, the most evil and discriminatory American statute of the past ten years is the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 (IMBRA), signed into law in January 2006 by one of the country’s worst Presidents ever, George W. Bush:

[IMBRA] is a United States federal statute that requires background checks for all marriage visa sponsors and limits serial visa applications. IMBRA also requires background checks before speech or other forms of communication are permitted between American citizens and foreign nationals.

The IMBRA was a pure man-hating power play by feminists and their betaboy abettors. The statute was ostensibly inspired by a couple of mass media sensationalized cases involving American men murdering their foreign brides, but the truth is that the cases and the leftie fembot media coverage of them were nothing but convenient emotoprops for ramming an unjustifiable, anti-free speech and anti-free association misandrist law down the stupidified gullets of a politically lazy American public.

FACT:

There are very few studies comparing domestic violence rates between foreign-born wives and American wives. Any study on domestic violence among immigrant women that does not control for the race and immigrant status of the husband/boyfriend offender is worthless.

FACT:

Foreign brides will often make false claims of domestic violence because under the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) there is a provision that states a victim of DV can divorce her husband and get a green card.

FACT:

American men who marry foreign women have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole.

The IMBRA has nothing to do with sparing immigrant brides the indignity of suffering domestic violence and everything to do with making it more difficult for American men to find, meet, date, fuck and, in some cases, marry beautiful feminine foreign women. Police state fascist background checks are no more justifiable for an American man seeking a foreign bride than they are for an American man seeking an American bride, and they are especially egregious when used against men exercising their free speech to have a simple fucking conversation with a foreign woman.

No, here is the truth about the motivation behind jackheeled grrlstapo laws such as the IMBRA:

American women are deathly afraid of losing market leverage to foreign competition.

That’s it. Plain as day. And American women are right to fear boatloads of hot East European women flooding American shores, for deep down in the pits of their hellbound souls American women know they are a self-absorbed, egotistic, entitled, unfeminine, fatass lot. So they devise superficially plausible laws designed to solidify their stranglehold on power.

With the help of their mincing, ass-slurping, toolboy allies in Congress who also benefit from the status quo, the femcunts are succeeding at their goal of ensuring a sexual market that artificially raises their pussy value and maximizes their ability to play hypergamous empress while minimizing the options available to men and thereby forcing them to heed by rules inimical to their interests.

Here is a list of the small thinkers and anti-First Amendment shitheads who sponsored the IMBRA and snuck it into the reauthorization of the VAWA in the middle of the night, without any serious debate:

IMBRA was reintroduced in September 2005 by Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS), Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Rep. Frank Wolf (R-VA), and Rep. Rick Larsen (D-WA)). IMBRA was incorporated into the Violence Against Women Act reauthorization in 2005, and was passed by both houses of Congress in December 2005.

Feel free to email them about the wrongness of their law for its chilling effect on the beautiful Judeo-Christian love between an American man and a foreign woman.

Repeal the IMBRA now. Like most men who aren’t deceiving themselves, when I’m older and still desiring young, slender, lovely female company I want the option of connecting, free of state intrusion, with overseas babes for much cross cultural love. If American cunts and their betaboy bitches are going to stand in my way of doing that, then I’ll leave this once-great, rapidly crap-ifying country and take my taxpayer lootbag with me.

And while we’re at it, repeal the VAWA as well. After all, is violence against women inherently more immoral than violence against men? If so, then permit me to make the claim that political representation for men is inherently more moral than political representation for women. If not, then the VAWA is an unjust law. Finish it off.





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  1. IMBRA as a form of economic protectionism — I like the analysis.

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  2. Raise the money and go live off of the interest in another country. Sounds like a plan to me.

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  3. Actually, I don’t think there is even a chance of repealing this dumbshit law or many of the other covert misandrist regulations in the West. However, it could be worse.

    Wait until they pass the law that doesn’t let you leave.

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  4. Does this law also apply to American women who want to marry foreign men?

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  5. A recent, noticeable failure on the part of many recent, idealistic movements.

    The prudent time for justice is stopping oppression before it is made law.

    Closing the barn door after the cow is loose has become the modern Western Male rallying cry

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  6. Danger

    Wait until they pass the law that doesn’t let you leave.

    That’s already the case, financially. The U.S. government expects you to pay income taxes no matter where you live or earn your income. Slave for life.

    Sucks to be a US citizen.

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  7. Roissy,

    But ‘family values’ and most other conservative men like the idea… There is a reason I have contempt for conservatism and it’s offshoots (HBD, randism and other delusional religions).

    [editor: HBD is not inherently conservative.]

    They all ultimately play into the hands and objectives of “(White) Women Are Wonderful”.

    Unless they are willing to be objective, and understand that the best deal for an individual (and a society) involves wrecking the current status quo and attempts to patch it- it will never give what men really want.

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  8. “Closing the barn door after the cow is loose has become the modern Western Male rallying cry”

    And what is the citizen who wants to be politically active supposed to do? So many laws are snuck in at the last minute, as riders on existing bills. How is a voter supposed to mount an opposition to that?

    It’s all back room dealings, dealings of $ and influence. Of purchasing leaders of voting blocks in return for passing bills in to law. Of accepting “lobbyist” funds in return for litterally drafting the bills that are proposed.

    Face it. The power of the vote is the tinyest little part of what makes democracy work. It’s about the organized and financed special interests and corprate interests. It’s not about the voter.

    If men want to do something they’ll need a cause so emotionally compelling as to compete with women’s causes. Women donate heavily, in time and money, to their causes.

    I can’t see men doing the same.

    I vote with my passport and my cock. Works for me.

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  9. on October 19, 2009 at 1:54 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Unfortunately you’re quite correct on this, Roissy. A quick stroll through the netherworld of Internet forums and dating sites will prove this. Bringing up the foreign bride issue to American women in these outposts of e-love is like throwing water on the Wicked Witch of the West; the reaction is instant and grotesque. There truly is something in their “hellbound souls” that knows foreign women are stiff competition, being, as they are, more feminine and less… evil.

    On another note, I wonder if this whole foreign dating thing could be incorporated into game to use on American women? Could it be used as a DHV, somehow? (Obviously real dating of foreign women isn’t necessary to run game.)

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  10. Only life option:

    Spending the rest of your days with two fly girlfriends on a cheap beautiful foreign beach with American Dollars.

    – MPM

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  11. In Response to The G Manifesto :

    The way the dollar is going, don’t you men “Euros”?

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  12. Roissy, all I want to do is make romance explosion on a Polish girl’s chest.

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  13. In Response to The G Manifesto :

    * mean

    But let me ask you, as a Commodities Trader, what is your view on the current downward spiral of the U.S. Dollar worldwide [especially in the petro-market if recent rumors have any weight] and domestically?

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  14. Good life option, G, but I’d feel safer with Euros at this point.

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  15. HBD is not inherently conservative, in the same way burning witches was not inherently Christian.

    [editor: hbd is based in reality. witch burning is based in superstition.]

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  16. The US dollar has recently lost 10% agains the Indonesian Rupia, and the Indonesian currency is currently experiencing fast devaluation through inflation.

    The U.S. peso is not something I’ll be using for my retirement fund. I’m buying physical assets that can’t be deflated or wiped out by financial crisises.

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  17. “Does this law also apply to American women who want to marry foreign men?”

    Why in hell would a foreign man want to do that to himself?

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  18. xsplat

    “Closing the barn door after the cow is loose has become the modern Western Male rallying cry”

    And what is the citizen who wants to be politically active supposed to do? So many laws are snuck in at the last minute, as riders on existing bills. How is a voter supposed to mount an opposition to that?

    You’ve listed a response inadvertently describing capitulation to perfection.

    First anger – then the demand that you be recognized as being in the right and that “somebody do something.”

    I don’t know how you reconcile being “politically active and mounting opposition” to an injustice you imply combating with a retreating passport and your cock. This is a prime example of barn-doorism.

    You state the system is itself structurally degenerate. History gives plenty examples how to effectively right that wrong.

    Game has given many a male opportunity to conquer individual wrongs on the playing field of courtship, but the same nefarious social inculcation that fostered this need in the first place also neutered that ability to create a focused movement to effectively combat greater wrongs that demand greater commitment than venting about it on the internet.

    If our Founding Fathers had overripened in this great communication technology, we’d be watching soccer on Sunday.

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  19. I’m purchasing stocks in companies both large worldwide companies and small local companies that are capital intensive that would likely be intact after destructive grey swan events.

    If it can produce a product that is $1 in value now, given 10000% inflation, it will produce a product that is $100 in super-inflated dollars.

    I know there is money to be made in commodities but I’m not really sure where to start.

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  20. Firepower, were you aware of this bill before it was passed into law?

    If not, then you are part of the problem that you attack.

    And other than posting on forums about the problem, what do you, personally, plan to do about it?

    Call my actions capitulation if you like, but unless you have anything other than hot air to sway the politicians, we are both being equally effective.

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  21. on October 19, 2009 at 2:27 pm Biting Beaver

    H.B.D stands for Hare Brained Dummies.

    [editor: actually, hbd stands for huge boner deflowering. did that image just mentally rape you?]

    Another shining monday, another day to rail against women as your life ends one day at a time. Pity the poor, oppressed whiteman — beseiged on all fronts and sides by women, liberals, and minorities.

    Pathetic.

    Conservatism is for whiners and losers.

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  22. Like most men who aren’t deceiving themselves, when I’m older and still desiring young, slender, lovely female company I want the option of connecting, free of state intrusion, with overseas babes for much cross cultural love.

    Getting married, are we, Roissy?

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  23. xsplat

    That’s already the case, financially. The U.S. government expects you to pay income taxes no matter where you live or earn your income. Slave for life.

    Sucks to be a US citizen.

    ———————————————

    Wow, I did not know that. Pretty much one has to renounce their citizenship I suppose. So much for the free-est country on Earth.

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  24. That’s the problem, Danger, it is legally not possible to renounce US citizenship.

    And Firepower, don’t forget that I’m a Canadian living in Indonesia. I lived for a dozen years in the US, but the problems of that country are neither my responsibility nor within my power to change.

    I suggest that even as a US citizen, it’s often much the same. There is an illusory feeling of power. I suggest that knowing how power actually works is the first step towards weilding it. My hint was that it’s about building well moneyd coalitions and lobbying groups – it isn’t about voting.

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  25. The U.S. government expects you to pay income taxes no matter where you live or earn your income.

    True. Why not renounce your citizenship?

    Oh, right, because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else.

    [editor: just because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else (a dubious proposition at best) doesn’t mean an unjust law on american citizens is any less unjust.]

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  26. it is legally not possible to renounce US citizenship.

    Of course it is. Here is how:

    1. Go to the US Embassy in (wherever you are)

    2. Sign an oath of renunciation.

    Fin.

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  27. Note: Unless you’re already a citizen of somewhere else, however, you may be rendered “stateless”. This is not an ideal situation. Another easy way to renounce US citizenship.

    1. Go to a foreign embassy/government.

    2. Swear an oath to their military.

    Fin.

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  28. it is legally not possible to renounce US citizenship.

    Sure it is.

    because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else.

    Citizens of Europe, Australia, Canada, and many other countries will be disappointed to learn that.

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  29. editor —

    just because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else (a dubious proposition at best) doesn’t mean an unjust law on american citizens is any less unjust.

    It does.

    [editor: no, it doesn’t. try reading what i wrote more closely.]

    Try traveling, a lot, with both a US passport and a passport of any other country, and you will discover that it does (unless, for some reason, you want to tour the middle east). That said, I’m not saying that said unjust law is less unjust.

    [that is what you said in your previous comment. i was responding to that part of your contention. as for US citizenship being superior, i hear the french countryside is quite nice.]

    It’s very unjust. My parents paid US taxes for 40 years while outside of the US.

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  30. Lilgirl – that’s false. The U.S. will come after you even if you have permanently left the country, and demand taxes on your foreign income.

    A quick google search on “renounce us citizenship” bring up “In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds,..” as the first result.

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  31. I was at a party talking to some American girls, and I said I wanted to go to Brazil, and they were like “why, Brazilian girls are so ugly.” Noses were turned up. Eyes were squinted. Jealousy was obvious.

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  32. on October 19, 2009 at 2:43 pm ironrailsironweights

    Mail order bride marriages are a popular blogosphere meme that are almost irrelevant in the real world. MOB’s enter the United States using a special fiancee/foreign spouse visa. They are by no means the only people using these visas. Another common usage is when US-resident immigrants go back to their home countries to marry and bring their new spouses to America.

    In any event, if every person using a fiancee/foreign spouse visa were a MOB – surely not the case, but let’s pretend – marriages to MOB’s would account for less than one-half of one percent of all marriages in America. In reality, the actual percentage is certainly less, perhaps much less.

    [editor: there were fewer lynchings in jim crow south than there are black on white annual crimes. a bad law is a bad law.]

    Peter

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  33. xsplat —

    That’s not false. US Courts have held attempts to renounce US citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, including if the aforementioned steps were not taken, and if the citizen tried to renounce US citizenship whilst in the United States.

    They will demand taxes on your foreign income after you have left the country, yes. Leaving the country is !renouncing citizenship.

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  34. Lilgirl is correct. It’s as easy as saying “I divorce thee” three times. Your US passport has a list of actions that will cause you to give up your US citizenship.

    Hundreds of people do this each year, usually for tax reasons (if you are making money overseas, you still have to pay US taxes on it) and less commonly, to run for political office in another country.

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  35. Oh – I guess you can renouce it. But you need to get another nationality first, or you have no valid passport. And you can’t escape any US income tax that way.

    So an expat using a US passport is still a US slave.

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  36. Does this law also apply to American women who want to marry foreign men?

    Yes. Both of them.

    BTW, don’t look for AW to want similar legislation to apply to their Mexican nannies or Mexican lawn mowers anytime soon.

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  37. on October 19, 2009 at 2:47 pm kevin de bruxelles

    True. Why not renounce your citizenship?

    You can renounce your citizenship but you still have to pay taxes for at least ten years (if not more) after that.

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  38. Everytime a woman marries a muslim man from another country, you should be thankful for this law.

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  39. Amended IRC 877 eliminates the tax avoidance criteria for imposition of the expatriation tax on certain types of income for 10 years following expatriation, and creates objective criteria to impose the tax on individuals with an average income tax liability of $124,000 for the 5 prior years or a net worth of $2,000,000 on the date of expatriation.

    OK, so the law is designed to punish rich people, not the average Joe. If you pay less than $124K a year in taxes, and are worth less than $2mill, you don’t have a problem and the gummint ain’t coming after you.

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  40. If men want to do something they’ll need a cause so emotionally compelling as to compete with women’s causes. Women donate heavily, in time and money, to their causes.

    I can’t see men doing the same.

    Simple:

    EVERY man gets a harem of hot sex slaves now and forever IF we violently overthrow the current system and strip women of all power and rights now and forever.

    The promise of Sex is a great motivator for violence. Look at how enthusiastically the carrot of 72 Virgins is responded to by males in the Middle East.

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  41. Good post, Roissy.

    And I do agree, IMBRA is an open slap in the face of the Right to Freedom of Association-imagine if, before they could be impregnated at the Turkeybaster Lab, Women first had to undergo a criminal background check. The howling would be neverending.

    But, here’s the thing for me:

    NOTHING is gonna stop me from achieving happiness. I’ll do whatever it takes to get it-and the only way those who craft IMBRA could stop me, was if they came out to my house and physically restraind me from travelling. Short of that, I’ll go anywhere I damn well please.

    I’ve said to many of you guys before who extoll the virtues of Eastern European Women-go there! Airfare is much cheaper now, and many of you have nice amounts of hard currency saved up. IMBRA can’t do a damned thing from stopping you, or me, or any other Man here from going to the country of our choice to meet the Ladies.

    So, let the FemHatahs craft all the laws they want-it’ll change nothing in the end.

    The Obsidian

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  42. My parents paid US taxes for 40 years while outside of the US.

    I hope they at least cheated on their taxes. I’d feel a complete tool and putz to do that. Used like a doormat pissed on by a thug.

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  43. xsplat

    Firepower, were you aware of this bill before it was passed into law?

    If not, then you are part of the problem that you attack.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. But, I like to play.

    OK, I was aware of the bill, so then, that lets me off the hook.

    You think I’m attacking you, when I’m not – but then again, my reputation precedes me.

    If one can label the cause of why Western males are so spinelessly squishy as to repeatedly, consistently, predictably and willingly surrender themselves time and time again to the political power of their enemies, then one can find the vector of the illness and perhaps an antidote, or at least, an inoculation.

    Until then, I’m unwilling to sacrifice my labors saving a West populated with undeserving mansheep content to play GameBoy – when their mommy lets them. It’s a voice crying in the wilderness of the John the Baptist variety. Look how he turned out.

    Being an expat in Indonesia is the way to go. At least you have access to uncorrupted Asian pussy. I’m of the opinion it’s gone too far and those remaining are incapable of reaction. They are Eloi. Etruscans.

    People get the government they deserve.

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  44. This law is fantastic. Why do most of you people claim to be agianst allowing any random illegal into the country while you want to allow anyone to bring in anyone else?

    [editor: being anti-IMBRA doesn’t mean being pro-illegal immigration. it means being pro-talking to and meeting hot foreign babes without oppressive state intervention performing background checks on your ass.]

    It should be as hard as possible for people to bring in foreigners who aren’t being selected for their skills, nationality or intelligence.

    [beauty is just as valuable to a nation’s well-being as skills and intelligence.]

    This law stops a low skilled mexican who was sponsored by his brother from keeping a common law wife and then sponsoring his cousin to come in as an additional wife. This law stops the taxpayer form having to pick up the tab on welfare when a dude with a violent crime record starts beating his non english speaking wife causing her to live in a shelter with no means at all to raise her soon to be criminal children.

    [IMBRA is not needed for that. there are already laws in place for dealing with men who beat their wives. IMBRA is a law intended to stifle the freedom of association of american men to meet up with foreign women for intimacy and love, pure and simple.]

    There should be more laws preventing people that live here from bringing in random people that don’t.

    [there should not be laws requiring background checks whenever a man wishes to speak with a foreign woman. if this isn’t obvious to you then you are sick in the head and further discussion is useless.]

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  45. “If one can label the cause of why Western males are so spinelessly squishy as to repeatedly, consistently, predictably and willingly surrender themselves time and time again to the political power of their enemies, then one can find the vector of the illness and perhaps an antidote, or at least, an inoculation.”

    What is the cure for apathy?

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  46. on October 19, 2009 at 3:07 pm kevin de bruxelles

    many of you have nice amounts of hard currency saved up.

    The only places the dollar is “hard” anymore is in Latvia and Iceland.

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  47. “Like most men who aren’t deceiving themselves, when I’m older and still desiring young, slender, lovely female company I want the option of connecting, free of state intrusion, with overseas babes for much cross cultural love. If American cunts and their betaboy bitches are going to stand in my way of doing that, then I’ll leave this once-great, rapidly crap-ifying country and take my taxpayer lootbag with me.”

    Emigrating is a forgone conclusion if you ask me.

    Might as well get out while the getting is good rather than risk being stuck if a neofeudal corporatist shithole if you wait too long. And not to mention you can elect to live somewhere where women act like women, and are fully aware that if they do not then their man will simply find a replacement.

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  48. “What is the cure for apathy?”

    Individually it’s death. As a group it’s extinction.

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  49. Actually you can legally renounce US Citizenship. US Congress has voted on special exit-tax provisions just for this purpose.

    http://baumanblog.sovereignsociety.com/2009/05/the-american-exit-tax—one-year-later.html

    But better have another 1st-world citizenship/passport on hand, otherwise you become a stateless refugee. Many folks do this by getting an EU passport based on their ancestry back to one of those countries. (Italy, France, Germany, Spain, etc).

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  50. Femx It should be as hard as possible for people to bring in foreigners who aren’t being selected for their skills, nationality or intelligence.

    So now the wifely skills being selected for are classed as “unskilled”?

    How you must revile women.

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  51. I support the IMBRA. The same way it increases the value of American Pussy, it decreases the value of foreign pussy. Also, Emerging Markets are fast on the pace of decoupling from the US economy

    Once foreign short term capital is taxed, so that gringos cannot diversify their portfolios away from Obamanation and thus fuel asset bubbles , the first stage of decoupling will be complete

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  52. femX

    illegal immigration brings ugly women; foreign brides increase the number of beautiful women.

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  53. The really diabolical thing is that VAWA inevitably led to IMBRA. Once they put the incentive to accuse American husbands of DV in the hands of a few stupid, venal immigrant brides, there were sure to be some serious blowups.

    Sure enough, a few women lied to get their citizenship early and take their husbands for all they had, and a couple guys took it to the next level and blew them away.

    This provided the impetus and excuse for IMBRA.

    So, as you see, bad law begets more bad law.

    Roissy, I think your theory about planned obsolescence of civilizations is quite correct. I’d like to write up a theory I just came up with concerning that when I have the time. It was really a good observation on your part and served as a bridge for something that’s been going through my mind for some time.

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  54. on October 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm kevin de bruxelles

    This law stops the taxpayer form having to pick up the tab on welfare when a dude with a violent crime record starts beating his non english speaking wife causing her to live in a shelter with no means at all to raise her soon to be criminal children.

    There were already laws in place to deal with this. When I married (in Stockholm) my upper middle class Swedish wife she had to go through hell to a Green Card to enter the US. Amont other things she had to show she had enough money not to go on welfare and had to have a chest x-ray to prove she didn’t have tuberculosis.

    And this was back in ’94 and the laws then were already over the top.

    It was well worth it though for me to avoid having a dull American wife.

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  55. also, the collapse of the dollar will implode the European MOnetary Union. Emerging market currencies may, or may not, collapse depending on how much they are linked to the US.

    The Mexican Peso would turn into toilet paper if the USD collapsed. But I bet the Indian Rupia would emerge unscathed. Anyway, the collapse of the US would be an event of the same scale of importance as the fall of Constantinople. Monetary assets won´t offer much protection in such case

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  56. xsplat

    “If one can label the cause of why Western males are so spinelessly squishy as to repeatedly, consistently, predictably and willingly surrender themselves time and time again to the political power of their enemies, then one can find the vector of the illness and perhaps an antidote, or at least, an inoculation.”

    What is the cure for apathy?

    Anything that threatens the political power of the status quo enough so that they relent.

    The answers are more concise in recent examples of Afghanistan and all the way back through history.

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  57. Won’t affect Zunder; sheep are a domestic product.

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  58. “Oh – I guess you can renouce it. But you need to get another nationality first, or you have no valid passport. And you can’t escape any US income tax that way.

    So an expat using a US passport is still a US slave”

    Incorrect. Renounce citizenship and you’re free from u.s. tax obligations. That’s one of the main points of doing it.

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  59. LILGRL

    Oh, right, because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else.

    don’t get all squishy, but I actually agree. it doesnt mean what you think it does btw.

    I have a friend who lives in the uk. he raves about his ‘free healthcare’ for his kids then, in the next breath, bemoans his poll tax.

    it could take many years experimenting with the day to day intricacies of living elsewhere to realize The Topper.

    I’d try Switzerland, but the list is a very short one. the problem is this once was the best place by far, and now we even feel compelled to open the subject.

    Not many societities reinvigorate after initial decay sets.

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  60. Yea, I don’t get all the equivocating here. If you want non-American Women, they’re out there. Simply get a passport, get on a plane, and DO IT.

    Really fellas, all this excuse making is weak.

    O

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  61. Obsidian is right. Getting foreign women is easy if you have any personality at all. Just do it. Get up and go. It’s easier if you bother to learn at least a little bit of the local language, in fact that increases your chances fivefold of landing quality foreign poon.

    I travel a lot in Eastern Europe and have more or less renounced US pussy, with all its stupid baggage. Don’t think I could be in an LTR, much less marry, an American harpy at this point.

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  62. Let’s not forget that Senator Brownback (sounds like a specie of gorilla) was the main “Republican” legislator pushing the DeadTed/Bush illegal alien amnesty in 2006.

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  63. Roissy:

    Granting everything you say about the motivation behind IMBRA, the actual content of the law is rather anodyne: the IMBs must check for criminal records among their U.S. clients.

    Frankly, I’m surprised that IMBs weren’t doing this already. You would think that it would boost a man’s SMV among foreign women looking for beta-provider husbands to have written proof that he’s not a criminal.

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  64. The term “Judeo-Christian” is an odious and disingenuous one.

    It’s been gradually and surreptitiously slipped into the national vocabulary over the past several decades by the political and cultural elite overclass, for quite obvious reasons.

    Everybody used to just say “Christian.”

    And they still should.

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  65. Just another nail in the coffin of America.

    Right now I’m concentrating on building a new business, taking the occasional low maintenance lay or short term fling when it crosses my path. In another 5-7 years I’m going to give the ultimate “fuck you” to American women and head for a country where women want to be women, not men with tits.

    If all you want is cheap sex with a bunch of chicks whose idea of a good time is attention whoring on facebook 5 times a day, knock yourselves out, but I would eventually like to have a relationship again and it’s not getting any better around here.

    Even my first and second generation foreign g/f’s who grew up with strong father figures in their lives were irreversibly tainted by feminism.

    If decent women exist they have been extinct here in America for awhile. Hellloooooo Brazil…….

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  66. I’m somewhat conflicted here, but sympathize more with FemX’s HBD angle.

    This is just another case of bringing in foreigners to “do the jobs Americans won’t do”. Apparently blowjobs and cooking. Which is great, except if foreign brides impose externalities on the rest of us like the corporate welfare version of importing millions of low IQ helots.

    Just as an employer benefits from having hard workers at slave-labor prices at the expense of American test scores and crime rates, your right to a submissive, attractive bride ends at my right to not have low performing mixed race children ruining the nation for my descendants.

    Right now it is plausible that many, if not most, imported brides are actually average or above average IQ women from ex-Communist Asian and European nations with high human capital but ideologically damaged economies. But very soon the economies of nations like Russia and China will catch up with the IQ of their population. The women of these nations will no longer have an economic incentive to marry foreign men below their inherent mate value.

    This means foreign brides will increasingly be drawn from nations that are poor because the people are stupid and dysfunctional, and the brides themselves will be closer to the averages of these populations. This includes the mestizo and mulatto populations of The New World, and India and Southeast Asia.

    Foreign brides should be admitted only on the condition that they pass a skill or IQ test requirement.

    Otherwise American men are free to emigrate to a shit country for their sexual satisfaction.

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  67. O.k., question…

    Can any HBD proponents who AREN’T White Nationalists/ZOG-Conspiracy-Believers pleaser explain why this crowd has a hate-filled-hard-on for Ashkenazi Jews?

    I mean, if this ethnicity has such high average intelligence and contribute overwhelmingly to Western Civilization, why is it the HBD crowd seems to universally dislike them?

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  68. Obsidian

    If you want non-American Women, they’re out there. Simply get a passport, get on a plane, and DO IT.

    o is right – whenever a brother wants a new pooty flava, he just leans back at the club with a bottle of Cristal and whips out NFL thug game. Boom: white black brown all come running.

    Now a white guy, he won’t hang with some lippy Tyra or talktothehand Gayle types. Certainly not chicas with black liner around their lips and white eyeshadow. Never with entitled azns presuming every roundeye have asian feva. No. White men are restricted to finding suitable caucasians from another country

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  69. Roissy:

    “editor: HBD is not inherently conservative.”

    as you’re well-aware, a lot of people have been waiting to hear your take on this.

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  70. Ruby

    pleaser explain why this crowd has a hate-filled-hard-on for Ashkenazi Jews?

    they skimper
    on the
    Pastrami

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  71. The law as it operates, according to its text, is not that burdensome. As I read it, the law requires for-profit businesses operating as international marriage brokers to check for a criminal record, sex offense registration, and the marital status of its paying male clientele, to presumably screen for criminals, sex offenders, and aspiring bigamists; the government itself does not perform the checks. As far as a barrier to free association goes, it does not amount to much — it just increases the cost of business for the brokers, like any other regulation.

    I get the slippery slope mentality but arguing that the sky is falling when it is not is the mark of an ideologue. Of course, ideologues win acolytes and tail, so why not. The objective will fail to get on board, though.

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  72. LILGRL
    “The U.S. government expects you to pay income taxes no matter where you live or earn your income.

    True. Why not renounce your citizenship?

    Oh, right, because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else.

    [editor: just because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else (a dubious proposition at best) doesn’t mean an unjust law on american citizens is any less unjust.]

    One does not measure freedom by comparing their cell size to one that belongs to another inmate.

    When you’re imprisoned, you’re still imprisoned.

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  73. Ruby:

    “Can any HBD proponents who AREN’T White Nationalists/ZOG-Conspiracy-Believers pleaser explain why this crowd has a hate-filled-hard-on for Ashkenazi Jews?”

    hate for hate’s sake. it doesn’t matter the reason for the hate. they use HBD to conform to their agenda of hating on people that don’t look like them. it’s one of my beefs with HBD-ers but not HBD.

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  74. Also, I’m somewhat conflicted because men who import brides may be high IQ men who otherwise would have no children. A man with a 115 IQ who imports a bride with an IQ of 92 would probably have children with average, or above average intelligence. Except for increasing ethnic diversity, this would not be especially terrible for America.

    [editor: men who import brides are likely bringing hotter women into the country as well, who will go on to sire hot daughters. after all, a man goes overseas to get a better deal than what he could get at home.]

    But I am skeptical that this describes the average man who imports a bride, and I am skeptical he would not otherwise have had children with a higher IQ white American woman if he could not import a foreign bride.

    [IQ, while important, is not the be all and end all of 1. a woman’s intrinsic value or 2. her value to the country to which she is emigrating.]

    This is an empirical matter, but I don’t support importing millions of cases just to test if it is true or not.

    The default position is that immigrants not specifically selected for skills are bad immigrants.

    [if it’s skills you want to select for, then a basic immirgation law to address that is all that’s needed.]

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  75. I think Firepower’s finally starting to get it!

    I just don’t get all the handwringing and equivocating on the part of my White brothers here. We all know the deal, so why not simply travel? I mean, hell, Roosh did it, so did Style, both of whom discussed it in their books. I haven’t read Roosh’s book yet, but from what I’ve read of Style’s “The Game” it really wasn’t that hard at all-a simple matter of gettin the paperwork done and putting together some loot, catching a plane, and bang, you’re there.

    I’m just tired of hearing guys, in this case White guys, complain about stuff they can’t do anything about, while at the same time finding every excuse under the sun as to why they can’t have a better quality of life. Although I’ve dated foreign Women in the past that wasn’t my particular focus-butif it was, I wouldn’t care if the US Constitution were rewritten w/IMBRA type stuff all in it, NOTHING’s gonna stop me from achieving happiness in this world! Period. I’ll do whatever it takes.

    But then, maybe that’s why I was able to make Game work for me. And why quite a few here, if what they write is any indication, have a different tune.

    I’m just sayin.

    The Obsidian

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  76. on October 19, 2009 at 4:15 pm Biting Beaver

    roissy,

    I believe you meant to write h.b.d = half boner disabled . Which describes your aging cock state. With a pitiful spittle of cum like saliva dripping down the chin of a mentally retarded kid(who probably looks your sister).

    Take some viagra, roissy. You are losing your edge.

    [editor: but if i took viagra i might be compelled to relieve my massive endless hard-on by raping you, over and over again, so vigorously that your uterus squibs out of your mouth.]

    H.B.D. = Hare Brained Dummy.

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  77. Much as I enjoy your blog, I’m afraid you’ve forgotten something very important for this post: an ARGUMENT!

    You haven’t stated the reasons why IMBRA would cause more harm than good.

    [editor: in principle, if a law causes more good than harm, but the harm it causes is especially bad for the fewer in number who suffer the harm relative to the smaller good enjoyed by the greater number of those who benefit, then the working assumption should be that the law is unjust.]

    Sure, for the sake of argument I’ll grant you that abuse has been overblown (I honestly don’t know).

    For me, at minimum your argument would need to:

    1)demonstrate why the background check would be onerous and prevent deserving people from marrying women overseas.

    [i don’t have to demonstrate harm when first principles, such as freedom of speech and association, are violated by the law under consideration.]

    2)demonstrate that that this extra burden outweighs the potential harm of convicted rapists and violent offenders bringing a spouse to the US and beating her.

    [if this is the standard you are using, then there is no justification for *not* extending the reach of IMBRA to cover *all* courtship between american men and women, foreign or native. foreign chicks know what they are getting into. when you meet someone from a distant land you assume responsibility for getting to know that person.]

    Perhaps this case can be made (I don’t know).

    To me a background check sounds like common sense and a useful protection against flagrant abuse. (It also sounds easy to implement; how much does a background check cost in terms of time and money?)

    If you want to support the right for violent offenders to bring mail order brides, that is your right.

    [so, tell me, how long has it been since you stopped beating your wife?]

    But if you truly believed it in your heart, why not use this as your opening line at bars: “I support a convicted rapist/murderer’s unrestricted right to bring any mail-order bride into the US.” That will make the babes fall over you, for sure.

    [i’ve got a better opening line: “i support the freedom to pursue love without the state asking a man or woman a bunch of questions to make sure they are properly vetted for romance.”]

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  78. Obsidian

    I think Firepower’s finally starting to get it!

    Your concise & abbreviated posts taught me much my brutha.

    IMBRA is RACISM.

    In stemming the flow of white women from Europe, this will force white American males to breed with blacks, azns, hispanics and other Rainbow Coalition females, thus prolonging the browning of America by putting an extra dash of cream in the coffee.

    aight?

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  79. the trade-protectionism argument on IMBRA appears in one of Devlin’s essays on feminism.

    flashman may be right that in practical terms there’s no meaningful barrier to association, but roissy was speaking to the principle of the thing – the presumption of guilt written into the law.

    i think the HBD/low-skill argument is ridiculous – marriages to foreign brides are a miniscule proportion of legal immigration, and an even lower of total immigration including illegal immigration, and come from that portion of the female population in each country that is literate, savvy, and resourceful enough to find that system and seek a foreign husband.

    there is a golddigger risk for the men involved, but not much of a welfare-queen risk to the public. i think petitioners for fiancee visas have to show adequate resources to demonstrate that their immigrating relative-to-be will not be a public charge.

    how exactly does one ratchet back an unjust law backed by a powerful consituency, and passed based on lies and faulty data? has anything like that ever happened in recent decades?

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  80. on October 19, 2009 at 4:31 pm Biting Beaver

    LILGIRL,

    Nice to see you challenger Roissy. Unlike the rest of weak-kneed retards that populate this blog.

    Say, arent you the female that these jealous, impotent whitemales gang up and start attacking after seeing how handsome your boyfriend is?

    Your real name is not Lillian, is it?

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  81. There is both philo-Semitism and anti-Semitism among HBDers, and many times both exist together uncomfortably in the same people.

    The reason is that Jews are beneficial to society in many ways due to their high IQ, but they are also detrimental to society in many potential and actual ways because of their ideological sympathies and their power in realizing those sympathies.

    Anti-Semitism is more common among white nationalist and “blood and soil” paleocon HBDers, and less common among “universalist” libertarian, neoconservative, and liberal HBDers.

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  82. I mean, if this ethnicity has such high average intelligence and contribute overwhelmingly to Western Civilization, why is it the HBD crowd seems to universally dislike them?

    You can’t ignore negative numbers.

    I don’t dismiss Ashkenazi ability and achievement. But there is a cost to everything. What of the cost?

    The Cochran/Harpending thesis on Ashkenazi intelligence seems pretty sound. The thesis would appear to suggest that this high ability and intelligence would not have evolved had the Ashkenazi Jews not found themselves in the niche environments that selected for those traits. Those niche environments were the cognitively demanding professional fields in urban areas of feudal/Medieval/early modern Europe.

    England expelled the Jews in 1290, and Jews didn’t really return to Britain until the 19th century. In that span of roughly 6 centuries, a native gentile English middle and professional class developed and flourished. This class was the source of much of the West’s advancement and achievement. The Puritans that settled America, the great scientists, and the merchants and industrialists that developed and expanded the Empire and made the Industrial Revolution possible all sprung from this class.

    However, in many parts of Central and Eastern Europe, Jews dominated the middle and professional classes and often comprised them entirely. Gentiles comprised the farming peasant majority, and the noble aristocratic minority. This no doubt stunted the development of a native gentile middle and professional class in parts of Central/Eastern Europe, and the concomitant selection pressures on intelligence, ability, and so on.

    So if you’re going to tout Ashkenazi ability and achievement, you should acknowledge that this didn’t occur in a vacuum. The Medieval/early modern European civilization that was created and sustained by native gentile Europeans was at least as responsible for it by providing the environment and pressure for Ashkenazi ability to evolve and develop. The much less able and accomplished Jews we find in other parts of the world readily serve to support this. Admixture must be taken into account as well. And a major cost of Ashkenazi ability and achievement seems to be that native gentile ability and achievement was hindered in Central/Eastern Europe, a fate that England appears to have avoided by prudent measures taken in 1290.

    Also, in the future, it’s possible that there will be super intelligent robots. This doesn’t mean that you necessarily want them in your society, or want them to have disproportionate power, influence, leadership, etc. in your society.

    Intelligence isn’t everything. And even if you prioritize high intelligence, there are more than enough non-Jews with very high intelligence.

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  83. BB:

    “Say, arent you the female that these jealous, impotent whitemales gang up and start attacking after seeing how handsome your boyfriend is?”

    projection is a stinky perfume.

    BB = HBD = Hirsute Burly Dyke

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  84. There is one way to side step IMBRA. Marriage Strike! Boycott all marriage, foreign and domestic.

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  85. on October 19, 2009 at 4:49 pm Biting Beaver

    Rosie, i mean, ROISSY,

    [editor: that’s right, you’d better correct yourself.]

    You seems singularly obsessed with rape like an autistic child repeatedly banging his withered cock against a keyboard until its catatonic.

    [sweet mother of irony.]

    Is that how your father played music for you as a child, roissy?

    [you seem singularly obsessed with cocks, banging, and catatonia.]

    To play a cliche, armchair psychologist here, i will wager that your obsession with raping females arise from a similar experience you had with “Bob” growing up.

    [is “bob” a euphemism for your mom? you might be onto something.]

    Am i close?

    [as close as a rapist’s cockhead to your cervix.]

    Except that “bob” was actually a female with a dildo.

    [do you, biting beaver, own and operate a purple saguaro?]

    P.s. remember to take your blue pills, roissie….Maurice wife is already spread eagle.

    [funny, spungen the ubercunt spells my handle “roissie”. could it be?]

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  86. One does not measure freedom by comparing their cell size to one that belongs to another inmate.

    When you’re imprisoned, you’re still imprisoned.

    There is the option of renouncing your citizenship and being stateless.

    Don’t say I didn’t try.

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  87. on October 19, 2009 at 5:00 pm Biting Beaver

    Rosie,

    Yes, i do own a saguaro…it is PINK actually. Why do you ask? You need me to lend you a hand?

    I am sure my dainty little hand can still properly fistfuck the shit out of you…literally.

    Rosie…Roissie…Roissy…what is the diff?

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  88. Firepower,
    You’re forgetting about something here.

    First, there is nothing stopping any White guy who wants to, to go to Europe. I’ve already talked about how Style did it.

    Second, no White guy HAS to have sex w/Women he doesn’t ordinarily find attractive. Isn’t that the whole point of Game? Again: what’s stopping any White guy here, from going to the European country of their choice?

    Take personal responsibility for your life and happiness. Ironic that would come from a Brotha, ain’t it?

    The Obsidian

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  89. Biting Beaver

    LILGIRL,

    Nice to see you challenger Roissy. Unlike the rest of weak-kneed retards .

    hey thats a neg – isnt it.
    i can spot thoser a mile away.
    srlsy

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  90. on October 19, 2009 at 5:10 pm Biting Beaver

    Obsidian,

    Nice earthy name, i might add.

    The thing is that these loserish white men prefer instead to whine and complain about women and liberals and minorities.

    [editor: 3 of the 4 sponsors of IMBRA are white men. jesus you are stupid.]

    And circle-jerk pat each other on the back while yelling “alpha!” “alpha!” “alpha!” at the top of their lungs like a farting anus.

    A sorry sort of helpless babies, actually.

    H.B.D = Helpless Blubbering Discards.

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  91. @BB- sheesh, you *really* need to be fucked.

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  92. Though I agree with the Roissy post and the points made (IMBRA violates freedom of association etc) I don’t understand why men would want to bring these women to America. OK if the women are from Cambodia I understand. But if we’re talking about Eastern Europeans wouldn’t it be better for the men to leave America? The more contact their foreign brides have with American culture the more like American women they will become. You would need to keep them culturally cloistered.

    On that subject back in the late 70s early 80s my neighbour and his parents moved from the UK to Texas for a few years. When they came back the couple’s relationship had completely changed. He wore the pants went they left, she wore them after a few years exposure to American values. Busybody neighbourhood women even got together to encourage the woman to change her supposedly backward relationship with her husband. I recall sitting in her living room listening to her telling my parents how women in Texas told her how crazy she was because she doted too much on her family.

    Your foreign bride will end up the same and will have society (including the mighty state) on her side.

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  93. Re: your responses.

    Again, I say you haven’t really made an argument (except point to some imaginary unverified harm).

    The problem is not about foreign chicks; it’s about the right of convicted felons to sponsor people with a fiance visa.

    You may be aware that the rights of felons are often abridged as a result of their conviction. For example, in Texas where I live, convicted felons do not have the right to vote or the right to seek certain professional certifications. Also, Texas gives leasing offices the right to discriminate against convicted felons (and thus prevent them from signing a lease). I would imagine that there are other curtailed rights at the federal level as well.

    Hey, I’m all for opening the floodgates to more foreign chicks. But I don’t see your diatribe as an argument.

    Most of your responses seem to reiterate your idea that freedom should be guaranteed. But is not already being guaranteed now? Are you having difficulty getting a Russian bride through immigration?).

    You may see the issue as solely one of freedom. Most people would see it as whether the rights of convicted felons can and should be curtailed. Or perhaps you think incarceration is also an infringement of their rights as well?

    (BTW, I’m all in favor of lifting a lot of restrictions for convicted felons in general; in Texas it just causes a vicious circle of recidivism).

    As for your proposal to apply IMBRA on relationships between citizens, that’s a red herring. Citizens already have the right to live in the USA. They don’t need a permit from the immigration office to get married.

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  94. I wanted to talk about money laundering through foreign banks in India and the Middle East and the thread gets derailed on race again… great.

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  95. Obsidian

    Firepower,
    You’re forgetting about something here.

    Take personal responsibility for your life and happiness. Ironic that would come from a Brotha, ain’t it?

    The Obsidian

    I forgot cuz sometimes I think you’re being tersely flippant when you make short 8 paragraph posts. I don’t see a screenful of your words so I think you’re holding back. We’re on the same page o. White guys are the only ones who can afford European vacations so it’s just plain racist to relegate a brotha to the ghetto with all those obnoxious american girls. When Obama and Pelosi finally keep that promise of subsidizing brothers’ trips for European trim hunts, it’ll finally achieve the equality of a Kennedy’s dream. Why deprive eurobabes of NBA holla-thug game? It’s because they fear a black planet. Once planeloads of brothers crash the whiteman’s pussy paradise with blinged out pimpcups and IPODs of Lil Wayne vids those Svetlana honeys gonna back that ass up for real.

    I agree with your innovative ‘personal responsibility’ rap. I never heard that before. preach it

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  96. BB:

    but why does the legislation investigate a man wanting to marry a woman? do we investigate american men when they marry american women? otherwise, its just a backdoor way to prevent immigration. this would be unwise because i’d argue that this type of immigration has positive externalities compared to other types of immigration.

    it’s not about white men being angry: it can apply to black men or any other race of men. it just happens to affect white men most because we are most numerous.

    HBD for biting beaver:

    Homely: Bites Dicks

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  97. So why do men vote against their interests?

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  98. Roissy: no more hypotheticals: I dare you to show me ONE man who is actually injured by IMBRA.

    [editor: again, i don’t have to prove harm. it is enough to show that first principles are being violated. however, if imbra requires men to divulge non-felonious information about themselves that could hurt their chances to attract foreign babes, then the law would be harmful, and also causing harm in such a way as to make the harm nearly impossible to prove.

    furthermore, as i said to you above, if it’s ok for a law like imbra to stop felons and ex-cons from meeting foreign chicks, then it logically, if absurdly, makes sense to enlarge the scope of the law to cover all american men who wish to meet any women. say if a guy meets a girl at a bar, how’s she to know he isn’t an ex-con?]

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  99. LILGRL

    There is the option of renouncing your citizenship and being stateless.

    i tried that – once
    it was too much
    like being
    married

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  100. on October 19, 2009 at 5:30 pm The Fifth Horseman

    The U.S. government expects you to pay income taxes no matter where you live or earn your income.

    This is true, although you get a credit for taxes paid to the host country, so you are not paying twice.

    There is no other country in the world that could get away with this. American enjoys so many special advantages, that are being take for granted, that this country will go downhill fast once the leftards push things far enough to squander these many structural advantages.

    American had better sustain a pretty big delta over the rest of the world, if it wants to keep being able to have US citizens pay taxes while living overseas. Or prevent American men from moving abroad.

    The relative benefits of living in America/having US citizenship are eroding fast. Particularly for a man.

    Does this law also apply to American women who want to marry foreign men?

    Just like Americans sneaking across the border into Mexico is also ‘illegal immigration’. Except that it never happens, since the traffic is all one-way (for now).

    Almost no foreign man would marry an American woman (except to swindle her out of a greencard). American women are not desirable relative to much of the rest of the world. That is the whole point.

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  101. “men who import brides are likely bringing hotter women into the country as well, who will go on to sire hot daughters. after all, a man goes overseas to get a better deal than what he could get at home…….IQ, while important, is not the be all and end all of 1. a woman’s intrinsic value or 2. her value to the country to which she is emigrating”

    Roissy, as we can see from the pictures on our money, the Anglo founding stock of America is pretty ugly, so all immigration is likely to improve things in that department. Also almost all mixed race kids are better looking than average, so this is a given. But lets’ not be relativists;; the limited social benefits from beauty in no way outweigh the immense social harm of low IQ. Brazil is an excellent case study. The Brazilifacation of America is not good for America, which is why Brazilian men and women try to escape from Brazil into America, and not the other way around.

    [editor: beauty and intelligence correlate. beautiful brazilian babes are likely smarter than ugly brazilian women. but if this is a concern you want addressed, then a basic immigration law that limits emigrants from certain 3rd world sinkholes is all that’s needed. imbra throws the hot russian baby out with the brazilian bathwater.]

    If beauty is more important, American men are free to emigrate to low IQ Brazil to be with their sexy wife.

    Just as with female promiscuity, I’m sure you can see that the laws and social norms which benefit you personally are not the same as the laws and the social norms which benefit America and civilization more generally.

    [you might just say i have a real problem with the strong arm of the law telling me what to say and how much privacy i have to relinquish before i can have an online convo with a russian honey.]

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  102. Mr. N

    I wanted to talk about money laundering through foreign banks in India and the Middle East and the thread gets derailed on race again… great.

    dude, don’t let a cabal of white men,
    and one cambodian chick
    keep you down

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  103. on October 19, 2009 at 5:33 pm The Fifth Horseman

    So why do men vote against their interests?

    Because there is a massive campaign to hide the truth from them, and to lower their self-esteem.

    This cannot last forever, I contend. If only 20% of men wake up and stop feeding the beast (avoid marriage, expatriate, learn Game, educate young men about what the laws really are, or all of the above), the system will collapse unto itself.

    Globalization is feminism’s worst enemy. From the sexual market to the labor market to the media message, globalization is a mortal threat to the feminist scam.

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  104. on October 19, 2009 at 5:37 pm The Fifth Horseman

    In principle, I agree with Roissy.

    In practice, I don’t think IMBRA is nearly as damaging as VAWA, the Bradley Amendment, and the false rape industry.

    I do see American men marrying foreign women all the time. True, these marriages are of the genuine rather than mail-order variety, but I see this happening all the time. Feminists just can’t stop this (although the divorce industry tempts these foregn women to become evil too, after 10 or 15 years of feminist media brainwashing).

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  105. Again, I say you haven’t really made an argument (except point to some imaginary unverified harm).

    He should “prove there is specific harm” when something restricts freedom of speech and association? Hmmmkay.

    The problem is not about foreign chicks; it’s about the right of convicted felons to sponsor people with a fiance visa.

    It is about foreign chicks, or the law would require background checks for men seeking domestic brides as well. Though who knows, that may yet happen.

    Citizens already have the right to live in the USA. They don’t need a permit from the immigration office to get married.

    If there is no reason to require this of citizens, there is no reason to require it of non-citizens.

    American enjoys so many special advantages, that are being take for granted,

    Which are what, exactly?

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  106. on October 19, 2009 at 5:41 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Nothing bothers a 35+ feminist white monster than seeing a white guy with a non-white foreign woman (Asian, Brazilian, whatever). Particularly if the woman is 7+ years younger than the white guy – a double whammy!!

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  107. I wanted to talk about money laundering through foreign banks in India and the Middle East and the thread gets derailed on race again… great

    count me in ! I heard about some scheme involving gold in India. The Western World, with its massive welfare/social security liabilities, will do whatever it takes to tax capital whetever it appears

    the non-west, without such liabilities, will be much less keen of fiscal hysteria. Also, as the West declines, it would be less and less able to force fiscal witch-hunting against non-western states..

    I hope that Dubai will be the New Switzerland, a zero-tax, no-welfare paradise, protected by an increasingly powerful Saudi Arabia and home to the fortunes of the Middle Eastern plutocracies. India could create a tax heaven in the Maldives, btw.

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  108. on October 19, 2009 at 5:45 pm The Fifth Horseman

    gig,

    Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong, and even Ireland are candidates.

    All are tiny countries or countries-within-countries.

    But America can ill afford even the 1% of its population that are high earners leaving, given how much they prop up the state.

    In CA and NY, the top 1% pay 60% of the taxes. If even a few of them leave, the state can no longer fund itself.

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  109. Robert Nagle

    Roissy: no more hypotheticals: I dare you to show me ONE man who is actually injured by IMBRA.

    I agree. The liberal democrats should make sure they get the same medal from ACORN for bringing over a panel van full of mexicans as for a plane full of Moldavians.

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  110. Roissy, you wrote:
    [editor: again, i don’t have to prove harm. it is enough to show that first principles are being violated.

    Read my previous response about convicted felons already having their freedoms curtailed under the status quo.

    So in fact, the question is NOT about first principles being violated. It is about under what circumstances should society be allowed to penalize felons.

    Again, show me a case of someone who has actually been harmed. If you can’t do that, then your post is nothing more than a mindless hosanna in the Church of Libertarianism.

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  111. I forgot cuz sometimes I think you’re being tersely flippant when you make short 8 paragraph posts. I don’t see a screenful of your words so I think you’re holding back. We’re on the same page o. White guys are the only ones who can afford European vacations so it’s just plain racist to relegate a brotha to the ghetto with all those obnoxious american girls. When Obama and Pelosi finally keep that promise of subsidizing brothers’ trips for European trim hunts, it’ll finally achieve the equality of a Kennedy’s dream. Why deprive eurobabes of NBA holla-thug game? It’s because they fear a black planet. Once planeloads of brothers crash the whiteman’s pussy paradise with blinged out pimpcups and IPODs of Lil Wayne vids those Svetlana honeys gonna back that ass up for real.

    I agree with your innovative ‘personal responsibility’ rap. I never heard that before. preach it

    this comment fails as comedy but as a performance piece of seething drawn-out passive-aggression its a masterpiece.

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  112. Interesting article..

    The real question is- why do people prefer computer games to reality?

    My answer:

    1. Computer games have far stricter rule enforcement than the “real world”. In the “real world” you can cheat, screw over people just cause your parents were born into wealth. It is much harder to do that in games.

    If a game becomes too corrupt, you can always play another.

    2. Computer games offer the players rewards commensurate with ability. The “real world” does not. HBDers conflate cleverness and the ability to jump through custom made hoops with intelligence.

    I can give you an unending stream of examples where clever or connected fuckers, who cause real harm and death, are rewarded.

    3. The present version of the “real world” is so saturated by the stench of sophism, bureaucracy and risk averseness that games appear a better option.

    If you want to create the next generation of nuclear power plants, spaceships, medicines.. you are SOL. Pretending to work on ‘safe’ and ‘approved’ things seems to be the way to go.

    4. Given that a lifetime of hard work by an intelligent man is no guarantee against being raped by the legal system, government, your ‘wife’ or ‘SO’, kids, boss or the organisation you gave the most productive years of your life to. What is the motivation?

    If the average person cannot have a decent humane existence, how can you convince him to play?
    ________________________________________
    I Kept Playing — The Costs Of My Gaming Addiction

    http://kotaku.com/5384643/i-kept-playing–the-costs-of-my-gaming-addiction

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  113. on October 19, 2009 at 5:52 pm greater beta in ny

    Men’s rights advocates always promote marrying foreign women. But it seems like a risky proposition to me.

    At least if you marry an American she’s already been indoctrinated in our culture, so you have a pretty good idea what you’re getting yourself into. If she has a pleasant personality despite years of feminist dogma, that probably won’t change.

    But you literally have no idea how a foreign bride is going to behave after spending a few years exposed to our culture.

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  114. In Response to The Fifth Horseman :

    Nothing bothers White Nationalists more than that sight, too.

    I actually think the issue of interracial relationships will be the point that Men’s Rights/MGTOW and hardline HBD/Bio-Cons divide in the near future.

    I also don’t think a White Nationalist lobby will ever arise here in the U.S. to any mass effect, but I do worry about the effect that even the entertaining of their idiocy will have on the last vestiges of non-neo-liberal and non-neo-conservative movements here in the U.S.

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  115. FP,
    I think you got it twisted, bro-its a lot of White guys who are constantly whining, equivocating and excuse making, instead of taking a look in the mirror and taking control of their lives. Trust me, no Brotha I know complains about Sistas to the extent I hear many of you complain about American White Women, and of those who got fed up they DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Ranging from hooking up with Hispanic chicks, to Asians.

    I’m just tired of all the BS. Why aren’t we having a discussion about the best places to go to, the easiest places to score, passport issues, etc, et al? Because those steps are designed for DOERS, and most of the guys around here aint doers, they’re complainers. As if that ever got anything done.

    I don’t want nor need anyone to finance anything I do, I can do it myself. A lot fo you dudes just sound weak, there I said it. I don’t give a damn about IMBRA, VAWA, this, that, etc. I’m gonna go out there and have a good life. Period.

    The Obsidian

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  116. Ruby:

    “I actually think the issue of interracial relationships will be the point that Men’s Rights/MGTOW and hardline HBD/Bio-Cons divide in the near future.”

    Something I touched on in this post about HBDbooks.com’s proprietor Richard Hoste. He masks his White Nationalism in HBD which to me, as an HBD proponent, is disturbing.

    http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/10/hostes-hero-fred-phelps.html

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  117. Lucifer writes:

    “But ‘family values’ and most other conservative men like the idea… There is a reason I have contempt for conservatism and it’s offshoots (HBD, randism and other delusional religions).

    “They all ultimately play into the hands and objectives of “(White) Women Are Wonderful”.

    False. The first several chapters of the Book of Proverbs warns men repeatedly of involving themselves with loose, calculating women. There are many other instances of this kind of un-PC, HBD-sympathetic, male/female wisdom throughout the Bible.

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  118. on October 19, 2009 at 5:57 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Wow, we’re over a hundred comments in and nobody has brought up that the Republican co-sponsors of IMBRA, Sam Brownback and Frank Wolf, are SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES? Not neocons or RINOs, but God-fearing, church-attending, gay marriage-hatin, abortion-opposing SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES. And they co-sponsored a bill with Maria Cantwell, one of the most hardline feminists in Congress.

    I’m not opposed to social conservatism as an ideology, but there is a sizable contingent of them who are tacitly anti-male. IMBRA is living proof.

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  119. on October 19, 2009 at 5:59 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Nothing bothers White Nationalists more than that sight, too.

    I don’t think this group has any power relative to feminists, in 2009.

    I don’t even think about white supremacists, etc., and have never had a bad experience myself. But feminism makes me feel persecuted in a way that I have never felt before.

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  120. In Response to Obsidian :

    Roosh co-signed this view at “In Mala Fide” :

    “I’m not against Men’s Rights, but a lot of these blogs are written by guys who have no game and can’t get laid, and serve as just an outlet for being a lifelong sexual loser. It’s like women who get around in their circles to complain about about how men aren’t sensitive or caring enough.”

    To put it simply, no guy who is capable of getting laid on the regular and does so to success would spend so much time complaining why conditions aren’t optimal for him to do so.

    [editor: re: imbra, i’m thinking toward the future.]

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  121. Chuck,

    He masks his White Nationalism in HBD which to me, as an HBD proponent, is disturbing.

    Being a proponent of HBD is like being a proponent of gravity, or the laws of thermodynamics.

    It’s called “is-ought”, retard.

    You can be a WN and believe in HBD. Or you can be a multicultist and believe in HBD. These and other views aren’t incompatible.

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  122. on October 19, 2009 at 6:06 pm The Fifth Horseman

    But you literally have no idea how a foreign bride is going to behave after spending a few years exposed to our culture.

    Yes. A lot of immigrant Indian couples get married in India, and move to the US. 10 years later, the woman is in divorce court, with rights over the man’s money that he never imagined she could have (and which are totally incompatible with Indian values generated over thousands of years). SHE chooses to leave, yet HE has to pay her, for years thereafter? This injustice is *incomprehensible* to anyone from a traditional culture (as it should be, since a society with such misandric laws is a society that doesn’t last long).

    Some Indians are part of the problem, like LSB’s father. He thinks he can dismiss notions like pre-nups, and arrogantly mistreats his daughter’s suitors (to the extent that there are still any remaining), because he thinks he can simulate an India of 1970 in an America of 2009. He may not believe that US laws apply to the people in his imagined Indian oasis, whether he believes in these laws or not.

    This is why I am quite worried that LSB’s brother and male cousins (if she in fact has one) will not be permitted to get a pre-nup, when they marry.

    I just use LSB’s father as an example of multiple Indian pathologies, but his type is common among Indian men of his generation, who have no idea about what the modern world is about, in terms of marriage, laws, and sexuality.

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  123. Joe

    I forgot cuz sometimes I think you’re being tersely flippant when you make short 8 paragraph posts. I don’t see a screenful of your words so I think you’re holding back. We’re on the same page o. White guys are the only ones who can afford European vacations so it’s just plain racist to relegate a brotha to the ghetto with all those obnoxious american girls. When Obama and Pelosi finally keep that promise of subsidizing brothers’ trips for European trim hunts, it’ll finally achieve the equality of a Kennedy’s dream. Why deprive eurobabes of NBA holla-thug game? It’s because they fear a black planet. Once planeloads of brothers crash the whiteman’s pussy paradise with blinged out pimpcups and IPODs of Lil Wayne vids those Svetlana honeys gonna back that ass up for real.

    I agree with your innovative ‘personal responsibility’ rap. I never heard that before. preach it

    this comment fails as comedy but as a performance piece of seething drawn-out passive-aggression its a masterpiece.

    Hey thanks for the compliment joey. I used to think writing critics were gay ball busters. I feel good knowing you’re there, basking in the revelry of my words, prancing on prepositions, looking for hidden meanings and motifs – but misjudging it ‘comedy’ kinda gives folks you have just a slight twinge of racism.

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  124. on October 19, 2009 at 6:07 pm Biting Beaver

    Obsidian

    I read your post:
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/repeal-the-imbra-now/#comment-138387

    I think…i am…..in LOVE…..

    Seriously, that is sooo fucking MANLY…and HOT!

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  125. on October 19, 2009 at 6:08 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Wow, we’re over a hundred comments in and nobody has brought up that the Republican co-sponsors of IMBRA, Sam Brownback and Frank Wolf, are SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES?

    As I keep saying, Socialcons are part of the left, rather than the right. Simply using Christian rhetoric is not sufficient to pretend there is any difference between Socialcons and manginas.

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  126. on October 19, 2009 at 6:09 pm Passing through

    Roissy:

    Foreign brides will often make false claims of domestic violence because…

    Question: Often? Evidence?

    [editor: point taken. i was typing/thinking fast. better wording: “foreign brides can make false claims of dv because…”]

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  127. Andrew E,

    Communism was supposed to create a paradise, but it’s implementation caused mass murders.

    Religion is supposed to create better humans, but it’s implementation has caused more problems that it purported to solve.

    A system of -ism is defined by it’s real life workings, not what it claims to achieve.

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  128. TFH

    future Tax Heavens should have powerful non-western states behind them so that an increasingly weaker West won´t be able to threaten them

    also, to be reliable, they can´t have NAMs, or if they do, they must necessarily disenfranchise them so that NAM politics of envy won´t threaten capital.

    Dubai looks like the most promising. Singapore and Hong Kong also look OK.

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  129. Ferdinand:

    this speaks to the point your originally made that caused such a dust-up in this part of the blog universe. social conseravtives don’t get it. their “morality” is a form of social engineering that us guys in the middle (hybrids of conservatism/HBDism/hedonism: whatever the hell we are) can’t mesh together in an intellectually honest way. their social engineering is no better than that of liberals.

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  130. In Response to Chuck :

    I have to say, I’m really enjoying your blog as I read through it’s archives. I’ve added it to my “Roissysphere” RSS.

    In Response to Ferdinand Bardamu :

    I don’t think this is “proof” that So-Cons are ANTI-MALE — Only that, like a lot of special interest groups these days, they put ideology [and compromise towards their ‘ideal’ goals] before rationality and pragmatism.

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  131. The Fifth Horseman,

    A lot of Indian immigrants born before the late 1960s (and their kids) have serious mental issues.

    The world they inhabit is either fictional or dead.

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  132. I’m just tired of all the BS. Why aren’t we having a discussion about the best places to go to, the easiest places to score, passport issues, etc, et al? Because those steps are designed for DOERS, and most of the guys around here aint doers, they’re complainers. As if that ever got anything done.

    If white guys weren’t doing things like, um, actual work such as maintaining a first world economy, you and your boys would be living in mud huts.

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  133. on October 19, 2009 at 6:12 pm The Fifth Horseman

    future Tax Heavens should have powerful non-western states behind them so that an increasingly weaker West won´t be able to threaten them

    This supports my belief that Hong Kong is the best. Hong Kong in fact already has a per capita GDP greater than the US.

    Singapore could be good, but is not surrounded by a strong state to protect it, and is actually vulnerable to Islamic aggression in a way that HK isn’t.

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  134. DuFief:

    “It’s called “is-ought”, retard.”

    Wow, you have a solution to that dilemma? Do tell. In fact, publish it. You’ll win an award or something.

    “You can be a WN and believe in HBD. Or you can be a multicultist and believe in HBD. These and other views aren’t incompatible.”

    Yes, this is true, but the conclusions reached by application of HBD are vastly different. How do you morally justify WN through the use of HBD? What is the metric by which you say “this is good and *ought* to be?” Much more likely, WN who apply HBD are espousing a scientific justification for their hatred towards other races and cultures.

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  135. on October 19, 2009 at 6:15 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Lucifer,

    Go to the ‘Girl Game’ blog and read Lovelysexy’s somewhat disturbing Oedipal complex regarding her boorish and pre-modern father. It is disturbing, and you will see why. Read the comments too.

    She is a nice girl, but her parents are going to unintentionally screw up her life without realizing it. I see it happen all the time.

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  136. Ruby–

    Can any HBD proponents who AREN’T White Nationalists/ZOG-Conspiracy-Believers pleaser explain why this crowd has a hate-filled-hard-on for Ashkenazi Jews?

    I mean, if this ethnicity has such high average intelligence and contribute overwhelmingly to Western Civilization, why is it the HBD crowd seems to universally dislike them?

    Generally only knuckle dragging WN johnny come lately’s to the concept of HBD, who contribute little or nothing to the idea flow “have a hate-filled-hard-on for Ashkenazi Jews”.

    The leading HBD popularizers and scientists don’t. Far more admiration in fact. The leading web sites don’t. Rather fairly recently, mostly over the last couple of years, some WN types have been drawn to comment threads. Or maybe using the term on their own sites such as Stormfront.

    The term was I’ve heard repeated a number of times invented by Steve Sailer. He doesn’t. Nor does Razib Khan nor Godless Capitalist or any of the guest bloggers at Razib’s GNXP. Nor Hernstein (Jewish) or Murray of The Bell Curve and other writing since (Murray). Nor Steven Pinker (Jewish). Nor Cochran and Harpendig who indeed have a cogent and quite persuasive theory on why and how Askenazi Jews got so smart, but not Sephardim or other Jews particularly. Nor John Derbyshire. And on and on.

    Just who and which sites did you have in mind Ruby? Or was it just a smear effort?

    People such as Steve Sailer have a following truth where it leads and uncovering pretty lies fettish. That’s actually how they came to HBD in the first place. That same anti dogmatic obfuscation dispelling frame of mind leads to certain understandings about the central and leading role of Jews on the left in the US in particular, especially since WWII. That’s not very different from the leading role of Jews in most other intellectual movements and endeavors as well though.

    Jews of the Frankfort School pretty much did invent cultural Marxism to begin with, which is the type that’s been the pulling lodestone of the left since the 1960’s, with important roots in NYC in the 50s (and in Frankfurt Germany in the 1930s.) Jews did and still do play a central role in demonizing any efforts to effective restrict much less reverse illegal immigration though. Still most on the left in the US and most who demonize efforts to effectively restrict illegal immigration aren’t of Jewish background but rather Christian ones.

    That doesn’t mean or lead to anything like “a hate-filled-hard-on for Ashkenazi Jews?”

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  137. @lucifer- are you still here? I have been nursing the suspicion that you are actually the hedge fund guy from Sri Lanka that just got arrested. Similar sociopathic personality.

    @FP- second Joe: despite the usual verbal virtuosity and humor, your comments mocking obs are a little more mean-spirited than usual. Obs remains one of the best and most on-point commenters here, despite the hurricane of race-baiting his comments usually inspire. Please, folks, this is a game blog and not an HBD blog. Take the race crap to another place: we are all best off as “brothers in game”.

    [editor: i think you have the obsidian kraken race-bait cause and effect reversed.]

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  138. “Robert Nagle: Roissy – no more hypotheticals: I dare you to show me ONE man who is actually injured by IMBRA.

    Actually, read this news story about the busted “Shield Foundation” scam in Arizona. Here is a case of the foreign-wife provisions of VAWA (precursor to IMBRA) being exploited:

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/11/16/shield-foundation-shelter-shakedown/

    They were coaching newly arrived foreign brides to file abuse charges, and then to take a cut of the marital assets from resulting divorce winnings.

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  139. hi…american girls = frigid, self-conscious, hyper cunts

    this law sucks…america has been a socialist hole for a while and is becoming worse all the time…

    but if you’re into foreign girls you really have to go there and check them out anyway…you’d be crazy to marry a girl just after meeting her online

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  140. HBD is a fact of the real world. As such, it doesn’t have to be applied to anything, in any fashion.

    It doesn’t matter what individual WNs, or individual multicultists do or don’t do by “applying” HBD (or believe themselves to be doing).

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  141. Singapore could be good, but is not surrounded by a strong state to protect it, and is actually vulnerable to Islamic aggression in a way that HK isn’t.

    I see Singapore being used as a hedge by Chinese tycoons who won´t put all their money in the welfarist West or totalitarian China. The Son of Heaven can change his opinion about you, and for your family´s safety, it´s better to put some eggs where the Arm of the Son of Heaven cannot reach you

    Singapore has another advantage. India, unfortunately, has a huge NAM % which is deeply resentful and envious and the base for socialistic policies. Singapore could be a safe heaven for India´s rich, outside the reach of affirmative action prosecutors and judges and envious shudras

    And you should stop with the neocon BS about Islam. Islam poses no threat to west, only to Israel. And Islam may become the protector of the greatest tax heaven of all, Dubai.

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  142. You wanted a name: Bob Hartzog of Glendale, Arizona.

    There.

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  143. regarding evolutionary biology, it’s mostly bunk; if you need a scientific study to tell you women and men are different, or that blacks are different in temperament and other qualities form whites, you’re a lost soul

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  144. The Fifth Horseman,

    I know, most of my cousins are girls. They like to live in non-existent worlds.

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  145. on October 19, 2009 at 6:29 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I know, most of my cousins are girls. They like to live in non-existent worlds.

    So what happens when they cross 32 and are unmarried, thus hitting their Wile E. Coyote moment?

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  146. DuFief,

    Most “learned” men once agreed that the earth was the center of the universe.

    They also agreed that the devil’s penis was more than a foot long.

    Agreement or consensus is the domain of politics and religion, not science.

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  147. Maurice; Roissy

    Maurice @FP- second Joe: despite the usual verbal virtuosity and humor, your comments mocking obs are a little more mean-spirited than usual. Obs remains one of the best and most on-point commenters here, despite the hurricane of race-baiting his comments usually inspire. Please, folks, this is a game blog and not an HBD blog. Take the race crap to another place: we are all best off as “brothers in game”.

    [editor: i think you have the obsidian kraken race-bait cause and effect reversed.]

    I agree with editor. As I’ve been saying and pointing out for some time now, though not to begin with. You seem remarkably oblivious or snowed by smooth.

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  148. DuFief:

    “HBD is a fact of the real world. As such, it doesn’t have to be applied to anything, in any fashion.”

    But it is WN who are applying HBD in the first place. They are applying it in such a way as to say “you shouldn’t marry outside your race”.

    Yes, don’t apply HBD. Let it rest on its merits. It describes human evolution and innate racial and gender differences. Don’t distort it by giving it some arbitrary agenda like WN.

    “It doesn’t matter what individual WNs, or individual multicultists do or don’t do by “applying” HBD (or believe themselves to be doing).”

    So on one hand, HBD has “Truth” but on the other hand the proper application of “Truth” doesn’t exist. So WN or multicultists are applying HBD in the way that tends to give them the most intellectual force or power?

    Your argument makes no sense.

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  149. The Fifth Horseman,

    The non-delusional ones have found decent providers, the delusional ones live in a fictional world.

    You see, unlike previous generations even the delusionals have well paying jobs.

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  150. Lucifer,

    Agreement or consensus is the domain of politics and religion, not science.

    Yep. And the consensus today is that “race is a social construct”, “we’re all equal”, “race is a myth”, etc.

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  151. Russian women????!

    I don’t understand the fascination you guys have? They all turn into obese balloons after 25 or so, and they have a NASTY temper and all kinds of other problems/hysteria.

    Go for Thai girls, maybe Brazilian, Japanese, who knows. I don’t know what European country still has OK women, maybe France.

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  152. “They also agreed that the devil’s penis was more than a foot long.”

    Ron Jeremy is the Devil!

    LOL.

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  153. on October 19, 2009 at 6:34 pm The Fifth Horseman

    India, unfortunately, has a huge NAM % which is deeply resentful and envious and the base for socialistic policies. Singapore could be a safe heaven for India´s rich, outside the reach of affirmative action prosecutors and judges and envious shudras

    At this point, creeping socialism is far less likely in India than in the US. There are enough people with bad memories of socialism to prevent it from happening, while in the US, much of our problems are due to the fact that people old enough to remember the Depression and WW2 are dying out.

    Ayn Rand libertarianism is hugely popular in India presently.

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  154. maurice,

    They arrested the brown lankan hedgie because arresting a white establishment banker was beyond their powers.

    Ever heard of the fine establishment called GS?

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  155. The Fifth Horseman,

    So they replaced one set of gods for another (ayn rand and fellow nutjobs).

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  156. Ruby,

    Several posts back you asked for the views of non-American scientists on race. Somebody pointed you to a Bruce Lahn article.

    Bruce Lahn has a new article on race titled “Let’s celebrate human genetic diversity.” PDF here.

    “Science is finding evidence of genetic diversity among groups of people as well as among individuals. This discovery should be embraced, not feared, say Bruce T. Lahn and Lanny Ebenstein.

    Summary

    * Promoting biological sameness in humans is illogical, even dangerous
    * To ignore the possibility of group diversity is to do poor science and poor medicine
    * A robust moral position is one that embraces this diversity as among humanity’s great assets”

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  157. “beauty and intelligence correlate. beautiful brazilian babes are likely smarter than ugly brazilian women. but if this is a concern you want addressed, then a basic immigration law that limits emigrants from certain 3rd world sinkholes is all that’s needed. imbra throws the hot russian baby out with the brazilian bathwater……you might just say i have a real problem with the strong arm of the law telling me what to say and how much privacy i have to relinquish before i can have an online convo with a russian honey”

    I have no beef with regional immigration, per se. If we could have a direct IQ or skill criteria, it would be no problem with me if American men gobbled up all the high IQ black African women they could.

    And don’t get me wrong, I don’t support the particulars or the intent of IMBRA, but I would like to see the importation of foreign brides more strictly regulated to include only women who will socially and genetically benefit their host society.

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  158. DuFief,

    Are we talking physical features or mental abilities?

    They are not the same- you can be born with an altered liver enzyme, but the brain is far more plastic than HBDers want to believe.

    If the human brain was not as plastic as it is, we would not be be able to learn new things or think originally.

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  159. Lucifer,

    Something that is corrupted in its own name is not then its original self. The God of the typical liberal Christian is not the God of the Bible. Communism is not a valid analogy since the result was not a corruption of the idea but its logical and necessary outcome (see von Mises, Solzhenitsyn and others).

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  160. @ lucifer

    the brown skinned lankan counts as white. Only unsuccesful brown skinned guys like you count as darkies. He is victim of a police-state, gestapo like investigation. And the mindset behind his arrest is the same socialistic/resentful/envious I talked about.

    You forgot Elliot Spitzer, who won the NAM vote by harassing white men based on phony accusations.

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  161. Ayn Rand libertarianism is hugely popular in India presently

    given the harm done to brahmins in India by AA, AYn Rand must sound almost as a Vedic Epic to them

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  162. Most WNs don’t use HBD or anything else for that matter to justify their beliefs.

    The nerds online that do search for various intellectual justifications generally look to Frank Salter and his work “On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethnicity, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration.”

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  163. I’ve lived overseas and have thought about expatting many times. Don’t do it unless you can support yourself with a real job– which doesn’t mean teaching ESOL. Don’t run from… run to.

    If you’re living off of earned income (a paycheck), you’re going to pay more overseas because you reach the higher tax brackets at much lower levels of income. Those who benefite from renunciation of citizenship are billionaires who are trying to escape estate taxes. If you do find a jurisdiction with lower taxes (they exist), you’ll probably make up the balance in mafia protection payments.

    IMBRA background checks appliy only to marriage agencies. Don’t use them. The idea that you’re going to pay an organization to fall in love via e-mail is a joke. You need to go over and live there for a year. If you don’t have the discipline to save enough to take a year off, you’re about to bite off more than you can chew. And CIS countries are very expensive if you don’t live like a peasant– think NY or LA.

    Eastern European women– and I mean Russians in general are a different crowd. More feminine than western women but the values are just as bad. Game works 10x better on them than western women. When I lived in the CIS, I didn’t know a single Russian woman who wasn’t cheating on her husband. I recommend Kazakh women if you want Eastern Europe– but you probably won’t find one who isn’t a bar girl willing to come to the States.

    For extremely traditional women, I recommend the levant area of the Middle East. Christians are abundant there. Latin America is good– but you gotta know what you’re doing. Those women clean up regularly with omegas who don’t know a thing about women. Asia is great too… again, a big difference between SE Asians, Han, and Altaic peoples. Take into account that there is anywhere from 120-150 men per 100 women in much of Asia and that the Altaic peoples are often extremely endogamous.

    Your best bet is to get a white-collar job and find a second generation woman raised by very traditional parents here in the States. Traditional Asian grandmothers love to play matchmaker if they know you AND YOUR FAMILY well. The Vietnamese grapevine is a wonderous thing indeed.

    Check out a blog called ‘Mirror of the Soul’ for a lot of good thoughts on expatting, career chicks, and game.

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  164. Spitzer was probably the only man who was onto the gangsters who crashed the economy and who are flooding our borders with immigrants. That’s why they took him down.

    Guys…multiculturalism, 3d world immigration, and all this stuff is pushed by international capital and Wall Street…not silly professors at universities, no one cares about them. These are also the same forces that push feminism.

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  165. PUMA, you said, the URL you gave is not relevant because it deals with people after they got married. IMBRA deals with people before they got married. Let’s not mix apples and oranges.

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  166. @ Roissy:

    Thanks for the add.

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  167. EE–

    you’re right. I said this above…you don’t marry someone through email lol …you need to go there and actually see what you’re doing. But the law is still bad.

    Japanese, Thai girls are A+

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  168. gig,

    We can follow this further when a GS alumni is arrested on TV.

    Until then..

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  169. In Response to Slagmaster, Dufief and Standard :

    The argument never was about IF there are genetic differences between different ETHNICITIES [race is a limiting and unscientific concept, differences exist along various intersecting continuities rather than absolute non-intersecting divides].

    The argument is about whether differences in intelligence have a majority genetic basis [which even James Watson and Phillip J. Rushton say has yet to be proven] and whether these differences are static and unalterable.

    My View :

    I say let such research proceed uninhibited. It doesn’t matter for long.

    I’m a great supporter of the Humanity+/Transhumanism movement and think that upcoming advances in biotechnology will help to make ethno-genetic differences moot — and increase the aggregate quality and quantity of life for all of humanity.

    My only worry are those who would seek to limit Transhumanist studies and applications — Neo-Luddites, Religious Fundamentalists, Bio-Conservatives, Feral Feminists, etc.

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  170. Robert Nagle – It seems IMBRA and I have a goal that we can both agree on. We must stop people from getting married! It cuts down on fraud and stops the “opression of women”.

    The next time your girlfriend hints to you that she wants marriage, the appopriate answer is: NO MAAM.

    http://no-maam.blogspot.com/

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  171. appopriate = appropriate

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  172. EE

    I’ve lived overseas and have thought about expatting many times.

    Interesting. It would be valuable to know which regions are most amenable to Americans.

    mnf /lcs partay

    mout

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  173. I don’t see this law as being so bad. It only applies to professional marriage brokers. You are free to meet girls in person or on line and this law doesn’t apply.

    That said,

    HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT EVERY LAW THAT RESTRICTS SEXUAL OR REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM INVOLVING TWO ADULTS IS TARGETED AT STRAIGHT MEN?

    I now of no laws that negatively impact the sexual or reproductive activities of gays or woman when only adults are involved.

    Surely, this cannot be a a result of chance. It gives a lot of credence to the idea that women and their male enablers are very interested in controlling straight men.

    This is why some people are enjoying watching the meltdown of American society.

    BTW, who the brought up race in this thread? Pleez. Leave that outside. It’s like you’re Obsessed with race or something.

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  174. You haven’t stated the reasons why IMBRA would cause more harm than good.

    Isn’t that the central tenet of a Police State.

    ANY ACT by the State is justifiable if it’s for the greater good.

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  175. intelligence differences are 90% in the blood

    “transhumanism” is the road to a feminist hell/dystopia where men will be bred out of existence

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  176. Citizens –
    We need background checks on any guy before he should be allowed to ejaculate. It’s for the greater good. This will stop the progression of genetic diseases and tepid beta genes.

    The government must implement an IMBRA-like program that gives you 12-Month orgasm permits. You have to get a new medical/genetic inspection every year to renew your permit.

    – Big Brother

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  177. “True. Why not renounce your citizenship?”

    Well for one thing, it is illegal.

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  178. “Trust me, no Brotha I know complains about Sistas to the extent I hear many of you complain about American White Women, and of those who got fed up they DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.”

    True, but sistas haven’t deteriorated to the extent white women have. White attractive women are the most important people in this country. Since they choose the men who they mate with, their decisionmaking must be guided in the best direction possible…instead, they are allowed to be profane, unfeminine, alcoholic, promiscuous, etc. and choose men with bad traits. Something is wrong with this.

    And of course its men who don’t get laid who are more likely to complain. That doesn’t make their assertions less valid; it makes them more valid. A rational society does not leave conscientious, intelligent men out in the cold like this. Ours has, and it’s time for these men to strike back.

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  179. Every day since I took out a student loan to go to law school, I have kicked myself in the ass for not wasting part of my 20s spending more time overseas. I would be there right now if I didn’t have to spend the next 10 years paying off debt I didn’t need to take on in the first place.

    If only there were viable ways to make a real living in the third world, I’d be there in a heartbeat and let Barry Hussein come and try and find me to enforce his loans.

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  180. I’m a great supporter of the Humanity+/Transhumanism movement and think that upcoming advances in biotechnology will help to make ethno-genetic differences moot — and increase the aggregate quality and quantity of life for all of humanity.

    Translation: Deep down inside I know Negroes are stupider. So once we have sufficient genetic engineering technology this “problem” will be finally eradicated as a Leftist radical egalitarian government (possibly world gov’t) will finally successfully impose complete equality, something it has aimed at for hundreds of years through dubious social/cultural engineering, and I will finally be relieved of what I have suspected all along.

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  181. Fifth Horseman…
    Are you joking? Globalization and feminism are part of the same program. The purpose of globalization is not to allow guys like you and me to become expats, but to allow international finance access to cheap labor pools and to allow them to replace white populations with turd world populations. Feminism is part of this, that’s why they attack Muslim states, because women are not allowed to work and because Muslims reject international liberalism/capitalism. Feminism is a way to double the labor pool and to lessen the power of men’s associations, which are inherently threatening to the aims of international financiers.

    Get your heads out of your asses, capitalism = socialism = feminism. Only a nationalist-revolutionary movement can help us now.

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  182. The argument never was about IF there are genetic differences between different ETHNICITIES [race is a limiting and unscientific concept, differences exist along various intersecting continuities rather than absolute non-intersecting divides].

    Christ you are stupid.

    You are just hopelessly confused and spouting off tired and lame bromides (“race is a limiting and unscientific concept”).

    You confuse “ethnicity” and “race.” And in your dismissal of “race,” you misunderstand the concept completely. Racial groups aren’t necessarily “absolute non-intersecting divides.”

    You sound like a bad undergrad sociology or anthropology (both dubious fields of course) student.

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  183. How do I become a bottom-feeder, getting large quantities of low quality girls?

    I was reading this book about socially skilled child molesters. And there was this case of Bottom-feeding Bud. He had been unpopular in high school getting no dates, and had no job or home. But he found it very easy to get older, fat, ugly women as dates in bars. He would wake up disgusted. But then started noticing the attractive children of his dates.

    Now I’m not a pervert, and I don’t want to be bottom feeding bud.

    But I would like to have a large quantity of sexual partners. Quantity is its own quality. So really I have no limits of ugliness.

    Kind of how Hal’s luck improved in shallow hal, when he got permanent beer goggles.

    Does anyone have any tips on how to pursue this strategy?

    [editor: how to pursue low quality women? show up.]

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  184. I thought you liked Bush?!?!?! Or are you more of a Goldwater type guy?

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  185. Doug, Maurice,
    The reason why many of my comments are deemed or viewed as “race baiting” is because I refuse to suppress my Blackness in order to make White guys feel comfortable. I have just as much a right to express myself and to be heard as they do, and it’s not for nothing that I can and often do actually write about Game-related topics at a much higher rate that many of my detractors do. Take FP for example-aside from his fake the funk Peter Frost routine, what’s he actually contributed? Who’s being helped by that? And we can say the same for other regulars here. At the end of the day, is anything they’re doing helping anybody?

    At any rate, once again we’ve devolved into a HBD discussion, when the topic was never about that to begin with-it’s about IMBRA and how to circumvent it. For me, its a non issue, even while I agree in spirit with what Roissy said. But I don’t have 20 years or more to wait while the laws get changed or whatever. I got a life to live, NOW. And I need to go and live it.

    The same is true for everyone reading this. Roissy can afford to bleat a bit about this, because at the end of the day he can still swoop chicks. But if you’re not in the same catergory, you need to seriously consider where and how you’re spending your time and whether its getting you what you want.

    Again: there’s nothing stopping any of us from going abroad to pickup chicks. Nothing.

    So what’s the problem?

    Do something, Man. So something.

    The Obsidian

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  186. Doug & Maurice- The trolls look for Mu so they can argue with him.

    Mu But I don’t have 20 years or more to wait while the laws get changed or whatever. I got a life to live, NOW. And I need to go and live it.

    cosign. siting around crying isn’t going to help.

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  187. on October 19, 2009 at 8:12 pm Engelbert Humperdinck

    Obs,

    It’s like those that want to wear their patriotism on their sleeves and cheer-lead from the sidelines pushing for war … but don’t want to sign up and fight.

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  188. “I got a life to live, NOW. And I need to go and live it.”

    Spoken like a true black man i.e. high time preference.

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  189. Face it Roissy, Our ancestors came here as economic immigrants to as to make a better living for themselves. As long as the USA has better economic opportunities than other places than no one is going anywhere; and that includes you.
    All this HBD, libertarian, conservative, liberal etc is just bullshit cover. At the end of the day the living is good in the USA.

    In fact I know a few families that emigrated from the USA, guess what? Once their children became older the children brought their asses back to the good ol USA. This place is a human magnet.

    Sometimes you hear people talk about they’ll leave because of Crime, high taxes or blame multi-culturism (this one is a favourite), but I know they are lying and talking from their asses. Our forefathers came here when most people spoke Native American, but that didn’t stop them arriving. Later waves came when English was not their language. At the end of the day it’s just about economics. Always has been.

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  190. I understand that the law is offensive to first principles but from a practical perspective I don’t see any use in fighting. That the state can execute and thereby silence its own citizenry is offensive to my first principles but I am not going to burn a lot of energy fighting it.

    Second, my guess is that Game and HBD attract the same crowd because both attract people who are pissed about being smart but not having success in certain areas of their life.

    My basic thought is that there are a lot of interesting results that could be lumped under HBD, but many proponents are way too hung up on it. We can observe most aspects of Human Diversity directly. That they are correlated with race is interesting but not particularly important.

    If you want a high IQ immigration policy (though I think this as the only criteria is a mistake) then promote one. There is no shortage of high IQ potential immigrants

    Don’t try oppress people who are trying to find love / sex.

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  191. In Response to Gem :

    Your conspiracy fantasies are pretty entertaining.

    The reality is — This is it. Ideologies have been less and less able to halt innovation.

    “We” will learn. “We” will utilize. “We” will transcend.

    Get on the Lifeboat… Help mankind reach the ‘Ubermenschen’ or fall into the Abyss.

    In Response to DuFief :

    So you object to my semantics. Whatever, that doesn’t invalidate anything I stated.

    Also, successful Anthropology Undergraduates go onto study Genetics as well.

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  192. on October 19, 2009 at 8:27 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Are you joking? Globalization and feminism are part of the same program.

    You are wrong.

    Globalization restores market forces that feminists try to block with laws.

    In America, women get paid 75% of what men do…..for doing 60% as much work!!! Outsourcing punishes this, by making jobs held by low-productivity women the first to go.

    to allow international finance access to cheap labor pools

    allow? Do you know how a business is run?

    Feminism is part of this, that’s why they attack Muslim states, because women are not allowed to work

    Feminists attacking Muslims states? When? Where? Feminists are SILENT on Muslim women’s rights.

    I don’t know what planet you live on, but it is definitely not Earth.

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  193. on October 19, 2009 at 8:27 pm Seeking Alpha

    I thought you liked Bush?!?!?!

    It has become (has been!) fashionable among conservatives to distance themselves from Bush. Heck, it’ll be the only way we can get someone elected in ’12.

    If our victory in WW2 can overcome Roosevelt’s domestic disasters and indefinite internment camps, I’m confident history can do the same with Bush.

    Assuming history books are written, and history courses taught, without a partisan slant.

    Nevermind.

    [editor: i’ll give bush credit for what looks to date as a pretty successful policy of preventing further terrorist attacks for the post-9/11 years of his administration. and gitmo was pretty cool.]

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  194. Bush is not a conservative in any sense. He tried to destroy the US with unfettered 3d world immigration and “amnesty.” He started a bullshit war to spread feminism and PC in the Muslim world using 9/11 as pretext, when the solution to 9/11 is simple: stop turd world immigration, stop PC. If the airports had been allowed to “profile” Arabs, 9/11 wouldn’t have happened. But what does Bush do? He doesn’t mention Islam for 4 years and instead of fixing our problem here goes on a crusade to spread the wonders of socialism and feminism in the Middle East. You do know we imposed requirements and quotas on the Afghans and Iraqis for how many women should be in their parliaments, right? A “war on terror” with a nonexistent southern border and millions of Mexicans streaming in…what a joke.

    Obama and Bush are basically the same thing. They’re both figureheads of international financiers who are also behind PC, feminism, and everything else you dislike.

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  195. on October 19, 2009 at 8:48 pm Seeking Alpha

    [editor: i’ll give bush credit for what looks to date as a pretty successful policy of preventing further terrorist attacks for the post-9/11 years of his administration. and gitmo was pretty cool.]

    If we’re going to pinpoint the crux of Bush’s failings, I’d have to say it was an inability to articulate the benefits and core principles of the conservative philosophy.

    I don’t view the economic crisis as his fault. He may have been a bit slow in responding, but ultimately it was monetary policy and the unorthodox lending policies of the Fed that stemmed the crisis (Obama’s ‘jobs saved’ tripe to the contrary).

    And as you noted, his foreign policy and homeland security policies were broadly successful in their effects.

    No, I think his primary failure was a lack of inspiration and articulation. Which is ironic because one of his strengths was to uphold the dignity of the office, insofar as he refrained from lowering himself to the snark and vitriolic rhetoric of his opposition (something Obama has completely reversed). Because of his rhetorical failings, he allowed the opposition Democrats to pin everything wrong with this country on conservative philosophy, and gave them a four to six year window (2006 to 2010 or ’12) to further harm our country.

    Or at least that’s how I see it.

    I flirted with a German MILF today in front of her husband at the local sushi joint, grabbing a drink before coming home to my fiancee’s dinner. It was fun.

    [After mentioning I was a hedge fund trader]
    Her: So what should I buy?
    Me: Well that depends. Are you by nature optimistic or pessimistic?
    Her: I’m optimistic but my husband is pessimistic.
    Me: Well let’s forget about your husband for a second. If you’re optimistic

    [followed by a couple sentences of quick advice and I excused myself to leave]

    Not much, but for an aspiring alpha, an inspiring mark of progress. I had the body language down pat, with the twinkle in my eye and pauses in all the right places. It was fun.

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  196. Ruby,

    Your position of genetic cognitive equality has been invalidated. You just refuse to believe it.

    Also, regarding transhumanism technologies, do you believe if say, all the non-blacks in the world disappeared tomorrow morning, that the blacks remaining in the world with their current genetic endowments would be able to achieve transhumanism technologies?

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  197. on October 19, 2009 at 8:51 pm Seeking Alpha

    international financiers who are also behind PC, feminism, and everything else you dislike.

    Speaking as one, we are generally against PC, feminism, and everything else you dislike.

    When one of our sole female analyst, a young Asian, got her drivers liscense last week:

    CIO of Company: Holy shit! You’re telling me we have an Asian woman on the road?

    Her: Wide-eyed laugh

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  198. on October 19, 2009 at 8:54 pm Biting Beaver aka spungen

    Oh please, Rosie, dont be soo coy about Obsidian.

    [editor: rosie? been whispering sweet nothings with little chiclet, eh?]

    I remember when Obsidian took a hiatus from posting here and was busy with Mala Fide. You wrote post after post and non-sequitor-ish manage to insert “summoning the obsidian kraken” into it–a very obvious ploy to draw his attention back — you miss Obsidian. That you want his input, his banter.

    [ah, no. it’s not that complicated. i happened to have watched ‘clash of the titans’ for the 100th time and comparing obsidian the sometime race-baiter with the great kraken that rises summoned from the sea seemed like a funny fit.]

    These people: Obsidian, Dave from hawaii, g manifesto, rooshv, Joe, el chief, are the only contributors here worthy of reading. The rest are a waste.

    [that includes you.]

    You know what is common among these people listed: Strong sense/vibe of personal responsibility. They dont whine. As despicable as some of their views are to my feminist sensibilities, they hardly ever whine. Ever. As much as i disagree with dave from hawaii views on relationship game, there is a ownership of responsibility in his post that is unavoidable. Same with obsidian, g manifesto, joe, el chief.

    [were US soldiers whining when they complained that they weren’t getting the best body armor in the field?]

    Simply put: there are a few things more turn off, more irritating, more pathetic than the sight of a whining conservative white man.

    [what about a whining liberal white man? paging jessica valenti’s neutered boytoy…]

    Oh yeah, notice too that the women have migrated away after starting “girlgame”. Hehehe.

    [one thing i’ve noticed over the past couple years doing this blog hobby is that groups of commenters come and go. it’s the natural ebb and flow of internet junkie-ism.]

    p.s. i like lucifer’s self respect, unlike that pathetic “fifth horsemen”.

    [horse rape!]

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  199. on October 19, 2009 at 8:56 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Danger
    Actually, I don’t think there is even a chance of repealing this dumbshit law or many of the other covert misandrist regulations in the West. However, it could be worse.

    Wait until they pass the law that doesn’t let you leave.
    ”””””””

    This is the one that is coming. Better be prepared to renounce citizenship and set up shop somewhere else so your sons can enjoy freedom.

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  200. on October 19, 2009 at 8:57 pm gunslingergregi

    Which already probably once your in the system for child support those will be the first bastards who can’t. Better keep nose clean till you save enough loot to leave.

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  201. Simply put: there are a few things more turn off, more irritating, more pathetic than the sight of a whining conservative white man.

    Oh yeah, notice too that the women have migrated away after starting “girlgame”. Hehehe.

    p.s. i like lucifer’s self respect, unlike that pathetic “fifth horsemen”.

    -Biting Beaver

    Oh, don’t you get too triumphant, bitch. Roissy’s going places.

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  202. on October 19, 2009 at 9:01 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””The G Manifesto
    Only life option:

    Spending the rest of your days with two fly girlfriends on a cheap beautiful foreign beach with American Dollars.

    – MPM””””’

    Word.

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  203. on October 19, 2009 at 9:07 pm The Fifth Horseman

    unlike that pathetic “fifth horsemen”.

    I don’t recall that I have ever communicated with you before.

    You are a deeply self-loathing creature, who is a ‘loser’ in every possible sense. Drive-by unprovoked ad hominems are evidence of loserdom.

    I am quite skilled in Game, you know. You don’t even know what Game is, nor would any man lower himself into running it on you.

    But let’s start you off with why left-wing women are ugly, and right-wing women are beautiful. This is solid proof, so go off and cry about your aesthetic handicap.

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  204. on October 19, 2009 at 9:09 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’xsplat
    Oh – I guess you can renouce it. But you need to get another nationality first, or you have no valid passport. And you can’t escape any US income tax that way.

    So an expat using a US passport is still a US slave.
    ””””””
    AS far as I understand if you are paying taxes in another country on the money you don’t get double taxed for us taxes. Although you can be assessed a selfemplpoyed tax on it of about 10 to 15 percent. So Indo will charge me 27 percent tac on what I make. Us may jump on for another 10. Then capital gains gonna be same.

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  205. on October 19, 2009 at 9:11 pm Biting Beaver

    Welmer,

    arent you the guy cuckold by his wife?

    The abuser that his wife called the SWAT team on?

    They should change your name from welmer to whimper.

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  206. on October 19, 2009 at 9:11 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Oh yeah, notice too that the women have migrated away after starting “girlgame”. Hehehe.

    I notice that those women aren’t inviting you to join them there, warpig.

    Plus, you failed to admit that The Spearhead has had a meteoric rise in just 3 weeks. Facts don’t matter to warpigs, eh?

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  207. on October 19, 2009 at 9:13 pm Seeking Alpha

    Beaver, does berating men online fill the void left from having no man to berate at home? I can’t imagine it gives the same satisfaction.

    Put the Macbook away and go find a coffeeshop with a cute liberal intellectual to sweep you off your feet and onto a pedestal.

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  208. Seeking Alpha,
    You’re probably a young analyst type who hears an older boss wearing the gold handcuffs make an off-color joke now and then. But who do you think is behind the Mexican invasion? Is it a community college prof teaching “Latina identity,” or is agribusiness and Wall Street journal types? A Goldman Sachs exec may wink at you in private over a highball about some stupid innocuous Asian-driving joke…meanwhile they institute mandatory “diversity training” brainwashing programs for their employees, and donate untold sums to Obama.

    http://www2.goldmansachs.com/our-firm/about-us/diversity-and-inclusion/programs-and-initiatives/index.html

    (check out “diversity training” section)

    No I’m afraid you’re all caught up in the bait-and-switch game. International capitalism = international socialism, and it comes with feminism, race quotas, PC speech codes and diversity training programs, and all that great stuff.

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  209. on October 19, 2009 at 9:18 pm Biting Beaver

    Fifth Horsemen,

    I cant take you seriously because you are not a horsemen, you are yesmen to conservative whitemen.

    Just one question: Why do you give a damn about what they think? Why care soo much? Why qualify and try to prove your worth or the worth of your race to them?

    Why put them on a fucking pedestal?

    I saw the picture of liberals vs conservative women you sent…you know what struck me about it? they are all WHITE WOMEN. Lucifer would probably have sent in pictures of Indian women vs white women to prove his point. But you…you…on the other hand…you are disgust me.

    I cant respect a man who already disqualifies himself through his race. Sorry.

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  210. on October 19, 2009 at 9:20 pm Biting Beaver

    “SPEARHEAD”.

    That rape-sounding name?

    Why would i want anything to do with it?

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  211. on October 19, 2009 at 9:20 pm Seeking Alpha

    Slagmaster

    Probably a fair criticism of a Goldman Sachs type, but that’s not me.

    My company has less than 100 people, damn sure no diversity training, and most certainly did not donate to Obama.

    With luck, we’ll see the disintegration of the too-big-to-fail banks into smaller pieces small-enough-to-fail which will not only reduce systemic risk to our system but make funds like ourselves more profitable.

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  212. on October 19, 2009 at 9:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Danger,
    One does not measure freedom by comparing their cell size to one that belongs to another inmate.

    When you’re imprisoned, you’re still imprisoned.
    ””””””
    On point like skinning this bitch.

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  213. on October 19, 2009 at 9:21 pm Seeking Alpha

    Just one question: Why do you give a damn about what they think? Why care soo much? Why qualify and try to prove your worth or the worth of your race to them?

    Why put them on a fucking pedestal?

    That’s four questions.

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  214. on October 19, 2009 at 9:23 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Rain And,
    But I am skeptical that this describes the average man who imports a bride, and I am skeptical he would not otherwise have had children with a higher IQ white American woman if he could not import a foreign bride”””””

    No Rain he would not have allowed himself to morally marry a higher iq white woman after watching people around him get divorced and be entered into the system.

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  215. on October 19, 2009 at 9:24 pm Biting Beaver

    That is four questions, seeking alpha(sucking asshat),

    Yeah..just like the four dildoes you need to get off.

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  216. on October 19, 2009 at 9:24 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Obsidian
    I think Firepower’s finally starting to get it!

    I just don’t get all the handwringing and equivocating on the part of my White brothers here. We all know the deal, so why not simply travel?
    ””””””””

    Your acting like you jsut invented a new coke product. What the fuck do you think people have been doing and preparing to do.

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  217. on October 19, 2009 at 9:25 pm Seeking Alpha

    I think you’ve had one too many cosmos Ms. Beaver. Your writing is starting to be effected.

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  218. Attacking biting beaver will not get you laid fellas.

    [editor: i don’t think those who are shitting all over her are looking to bang her.]

    Time to lighten things up a bit folks.

    [sure. you’re a tard!]

    While you guys sit here and whine even turtles are passing you by.

    [is “whine” the new go-to word for dumb cunts looking to score an invisible debating point?]

    And getting some!!!

    [when was the last time you got some? before you ask: one hour ago.]

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  219. on October 19, 2009 at 9:26 pm Biting Beaver

    No, sucking asshat, i think your trading is starting to get affected.

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  220. on October 19, 2009 at 9:29 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’there is a golddigger risk for the men involved, but not much of a welfare-queen risk to the public. i think petitioners for fiancee visas have to show adequate resources to demonstrate that their immigrating relative-to-be will not be a public charge.”””””’

    Here is the myth these woman are not trying to escape their countries they like it there they have family and people to talk to. They have help rasing kids. They have culture. It is american men that need to escape to a place that is free where they can create some sort of identity with something larger than themsleves. It is not american men saving these woman it is these woman saving american men.

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  221. on October 19, 2009 at 9:30 pm Seeking Alpha

    We’ve got Bush legacy, malignant corporate diversity and influence, my short tale of aspiring alphadom and the best we can do is this semi-coherent old gasbag, spewing repetitive, vanilla insults?

    We can do better.

    Summon the kraken!

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  222. America is Evil.

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  223. on October 19, 2009 at 9:39 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””gig
    I hope that Dubai will be the New Switzerland, a zero-tax, no-welfare paradise, protected by an increasingly powerful Saudi Arabia and home to the fortunes of the Middle Eastern plutocracies. India could create a tax heaven in the Maldives, btw.”””””””

    Yea you can incorporate in dubai for almost nothing and get an office and secratary.

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  224. on October 19, 2009 at 9:43 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Trust me, no Brotha I know complains about Sistas to the extent I hear many of you complain about American White Women, and of those who got fed up they DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Ranging from hooking up with Hispanic chicks, to Asians. ””””’

    I got three married sistas on the line now. I mean its sick. THe guys getting deported back to ghettoland and I got a house full of pussy.

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  225. on October 19, 2009 at 9:48 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Duh
    I’m just tired of all the BS. Why aren’t we having a discussion about the best places to go to, the easiest places to score, passport issues, etc, et al? Because those steps are designed for DOERS, and most of the guys around here aint doers, they’re complainers. As if that ever got anything done.

    If white guys weren’t doing things like, um, actual work such as maintaining a first world economy, you and your boys would be living in mud huts.
    ””””””
    Reread history he always wants a race thread on shit that is important.

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  226. on October 19, 2009 at 9:51 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””FP- second Joe: despite the usual verbal virtuosity and humor, your comments mocking obs are a little more mean-spirited than usual. Obs remains one of the best and most on-point commenters here, despite the hurricane of race-baiting his comments usually inspire. Please, folks, this is a game blog and not an HBD blog. Take the race crap to another place: we are all best off as “brothers in game”.

    [editor: i think you have the obsidian kraken race-bait cause and effect reversed.]
    ”””””’
    Yea maurice this is like the 8th time you have sucked o’s dick till extrapolation of juices. Doesn’t it get old to be an apologist.

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  227. on October 19, 2009 at 9:52 pm gunslingergregi

    It was nice to see him channeling all that whitey talk on girl game blog so he could stay off here.

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  228. Beaver is a guy with high-heel-crushing animals fetish, ignore it.

    Seeking–I would have nothing against nationalist capitalism as it existed in the 19th century when we had real capitalism. I’m against Goldman Sachs and agribusiness type of deal, they have no loyalty to the nation and they’re some of the chief forces behind Mexican peasants invading.

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  229. on October 19, 2009 at 9:54 pm gunslingergregi

    And brothers in game don’t apply. When I go to pick up black chicks it is different than a brotha doing it. Their husbands all in shape and shit but a black chick would rather give pussy to guy who can help their kid with the math homework. I get the hes smarter than a mutherfucker a lot. I think its a compliment.

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  230. The abuser that his wife called the SWAT team on?

    They should change your name from welmer to whimper.

    They don’t come after whimperers with machine guns.

    😉

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  231. International capitalism = international socialism, and it comes with feminism, race quotas, PC speech codes and diversity training programs, and all that great stuff.

    I agree with this.

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  232. Biting Beaver,
    Thanks for the kind words.

    I don’t know…I thought Game was all about self-improvement and empowerment, NOT about excuse making and scapegoating. If I didn’t know better its kinda like being in Bizarro World, what with so many guys here claiming to have so many problems with Blacks, particularly our supposed penchant for blaming others-notably White guys-for our failings. Even though I’ve never done that in my life and in truth where I come from Black folk will NOT look kindly upon you if you go there, still many of these guys trot out this trope…yet, my own direct experience of many here and elsewhere in the Mansphere, tells me something completely different. As I said earlier today over at Ferdi’s blog In Mala Fide, I’ve never seen so many grownassed Men whine and complain so much before in all my days. Wow.

    The other guys you mentioned I enjoy reading, too, because they tend to actually contribute something that I and others can learn from and even use. In fairness, Roissy puts up solid posts in this regard, but I think a lot of guys get sidetracked when Roissy goes to venting his spleen-he can afford to do that. Most of these other cats, can’t. Big difference.

    All I know is that, at the end of the day, the one constant, the X-Factor in my life, is me. I can lay blame at the feet of anyone I like; I can shake my fists at the powers that be, I can even curse God (notice how many of these guys are Atheists? Hmm…); but in actual results terms, all it will get me is madder and more bitter. Which never helped anyone.

    Its interesting. When I read The Game, I distinctly remember Style saying, that everytime something went wrong with a sarge or pickup, the first person he’d take a look at was himself. He’s about the closest thing I had to a “wingman” since I couldn’t afford to attend many of the bootcamps and the like, and many Brothas, though naturally endowed with Game, weren’t technically proficient-in other words, they can’t replicate themselves. Which is another reason why I say that “un-naturals” are and always will be superior to the “naturals”.

    It occurs to me that before a guy embarks on learning Game, that he’s gotta get his head on straight, otherwise it can and will tear him up.

    Hmm.

    The Obsidian

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  233. Look at this nigger Obsidiot play all nice and team up with feminist dry-cunt Beaver…what a surprise.

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  234. Obsidian

    Biting Beaver,
    Thanks for the kind words.

    Don’t tell me you’re down with the beaver, Obsidian.

    That’s a deal-killer.

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  235. To Slagmaster :

    Andddd, you’ve just invalidated any iota of credibility you have had or ever will have here.

    Enjoy your assignment of “Full-on-Troll” status.

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  236. Welmer, welsher, whimper, wiggledoodoo, whatever your god forsaken name is.

    Why did your wife cheat on you?

    Cos you have a small pee – pee? Hehehe.

    Was it with an asian man?

    Here is what i think: you are a loser. You probably make less than she does. You lazy god forsaken white trash.

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  237. Let me know if I’m missing something here. IMBRA isn’t preventing mail order bride marriage, it’s just requiring men to do background checks.

    The men who don’t have crime filled backgrounds have nothing to worry about, right?

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  238. Ruby,
    Right, I don’t have “street cred” with niggers and fembots like you….and?

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  239. Deborah

    So, I take it that you are fine with American women being required to submit to a background check before being allowed to communicate with foreign men? By Federal Law?

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  240. Obsidian:

    “Biting Beaver,
    Thanks for the kind words.”

    Take whatever compliments you can, yeah, but why be happy that BB is doing it? That’s like having a fat chick say she wants to fuck you. For a second you feel good, then you realize it actually means she thinks she has a shot which implies something bad about you.

    Biting Beaver is a troll. She’s not arguing any point. She’s taking pot-shots at guys who have laid out their life histories in order to reconcile their stances on issues. She hasn’t given us any of that information. She’s a sniper using guerilla warfare tactics.

    I dare her to put up a picture or give us a life story.

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  241. on October 19, 2009 at 10:37 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””slagmaster
    Fifth Horseman…
    Are you joking? Globalization and feminism are part of the same program. The purpose of globalization is not to allow guys like you and me to become expats, but to allow international finance access to cheap labor pools and to allow them to replace white populations with turd world populations. Feminism is part of this, that’s why they attack Muslim states, because women are not allowed to work and because Muslims reject international liberalism/capitalism. Feminism is a way to double the labor pool and to lessen the power of men’s associations, which are inherently threatening to the aims of international financiers.

    Get your heads out of your asses, capitalism = socialism = feminism. Only a nationalist-revolutionary movement can help us now.
    ””””””””””

    Shit is going worldwide sad but true. Will only be a couple of enclaves and this is where the expat population will have the knowledge to protect them in a first strike type situation.

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  242. To ROSIE,

    I hope to god they are not looking to bang me–i am not interested in virtual rape. Save that for Kassykay or lemmonex or that retarded blonde with a pistol.
    (not that i have anything against blonde, i am a blonde myself:
    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver

    No, ROSIE, “whine” is the new word that encapsulate the impotence of the conservative white men: W.H.I.N.E.= White Helpless Impotent Noisome & Endangered. You are an aging, dying breed. Take a look in the mirror…time is your enemy…the fire….by which you burn, rosie.

    [when was the last time you got some? before you ask: one hour ago.]

    One hour ago, rosie? Was that from maurice’s wife? Did you raw dog her? Was maurice watching too?

    Awesome!

    You know what i found funny about your post, rosie? Besides the fact that you will soon have arthritis from old age. The fact that you conflate your failing attempt to whip your semi-flaccid cock into any worthless tumescent –you conflating that–with soldiers fighting and complaining about body armor. Do you jerkoff to war movies? Or only the ones with rape in them? You STD ravaged piece of stained phlegm. *sighs* Your self parody swirls worse than diarrhea shit of your grandmother.

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  243. To those daring me to give a picture or a life story. Here it is.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver

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  244. I don’t see what the harm is in having a cordial conversation with someone. It doesn’t mean that I necessarily agree with all or even part of what they say or stand for, just that I don’t think it beneath me to be civil.

    The point BB is making is I think valid-there is indeed an overall vibe in the Mansphere that is angry and bitter…and while some may justify this, ultimately in the end, it will wind up doing more harm than good.

    Keep in mind, BB didn’t just single me out, she also mentioned a number of other commenters as well. I think her larger point was in the different tone we tend to put out there, compared with the tone of others.

    As for Roissy’s “Kraken” remarks, I think the archives speak fairly well to his assertions. There have always been racially charged remarks made here un the guise of “keepin it real”, the only difference before this time last year and prior to that, was that no one was around to actually challenge what was being said. White boys kind of had a “safe zone” where they could scapegoat in relative safety. They can’t do that anymore.

    Personally, I’ve never been a big fan of folks who take shots at folks when they’re back is turned. I prefer a straightup bout. I hit back.

    Anyway, please note that I never offered a view of BB one way or the other. I focused on her comments directed in part, to me.

    I advise everyone else to do same.

    The Obsidian

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  245. In Response to Chuck :

    Yeah, Biting Beaver IS a troll.

    I suspect [s]he is an anti-“Game” 4channer from the /r9k/ board.

    Anti-“Game” sentiment is EXTREMELY strong there. Several other “Game” related blogs have been invaded by various Chans.

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  246. Biting Beaver

    Welmer, welsher, whimper, wiggledoodoo, whatever your god forsaken name is.

    Why did your wife cheat on you?

    Cos you have a small pee – pee? Hehehe.

    Was it with an asian man?

    Here is what i think: you are a loser. You probably make less than she does. You lazy god forsaken white trash.

    Hey beaver, why don’t you come post on my blog?

    Afraid you’d get schooled?

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  247. My oh my, Look at all this uproar over Obsidian accepting a compliment from me.

    So, you want him to gratuitously side with you against the evil, ball cutting, feminist white women, correct?

    Let me get this straight: You call him the n-word, but at the same time, you want him fighting on your side? Hmmm..you want him to know his black place, but at the same time, you want him rising against women with you? How does that work again?

    My idiotic, bloated, over-entitled conservative whitemen, you cant have your cake and eat it too. This is how you lost power: feminists sided with minorities against you. And you just couldnt get past your asinine racism to win that battle.

    You cant honestly expect(unless you are incredibly stupid) to call somebody the n-word or implicit or explicitly expect them to “know their place” and then suddenly expect that person to rise up with you and fight shoulder to shoulder.

    Die!

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  248. OMFG this is priceless

    ]http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver

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  249. Biting Beaver

    To those daring me to give a picture or a life story. Here it is.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver

    O’really?

    Haha. Good one beaver. Had me going there.

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  250. Spungen Tone has put up pictures before, and that is definitely not Spungen Tone.

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  251. If men should have no problem with IMBRA background checks then women should have no problem with mandatory paternity tests.

    …it’s just requiring pregnant women to do paternity testing.

    The women who have named the correct father have nothing to worry about, right?

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  252. Biting Beaver = masterful troll.

    Gotta give it to the entity known as “Biting Beaver.” That is one piece of work.

    Congrats.

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  253. Beaver, if I weren’t such po’ white trash, I’d hire you to write for me.

    😉

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  254. For all those people who talk about low IQ immigrant criminals- do any of you have any Irish, Cattle stealing Scott or Italian in you?

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  255. BB

    You are a guy. No female would think of “biting beaver” as a tag.
    Everyone who posts on-line is a least part troll. You are just a lot more so than most.

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  256. Beave:

    “You call him the n-word, but at the same time, you want him fighting on your side? Hmmm..you want him to know his black place, but at the same time, you want him rising against women with you? How does that work again? ”

    I know some on here have been less than kind against Obsidian; I haven’t. I’ve always liked him as a commentor and he seems like a good person. I’d even argue that Roissy has treated him even-handedly. They fundamentally disagree, but Roissy doesn’t take it across the line (we’d have to ask Obsidian if he disagrees with that).

    I also don’t disagree with the premise of Obsidian’s thesis. I think there are a lot of white men who whine and complain too much. There are also black men who do the same shit, it’s just that they aren’t complaining about women, they’re complaining about something else.

    My only argument towards Obsidian was don’t take a compliment just because its a compliment. If you (BB) weren’t looking to team up with anyone who didn’t fit the stereotype of this board (white male) you would have plenty to disagree with Obsidian on. After all, he supports Game.

    Here I go arguing with a troll – fuck. Trolls do have something in common though – they live under bridges. Very safe and convenient.

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  257. There is something so endearing about biting beaver. It is not just coolness. She is so… adorable! Muah, muah from Pupu!

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  258. Beave:

    what forum did you originally post on?

    i know you’re trolling, i’ll give you 5 minutes to respond.

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  259. Bitting Beaver,

    GFE is not a new concept. It started with the influx of east-european, south european and caribean black women in the escort business.

    and customers have never looked back, indeed being a north-american born white woman is now a liability in prostitution. Even north american born escorts are discovering that they have exotic ancestry.. hahha

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  260. I just gotta say.
    bitingbeaver is pretty damn fuckable after seeing her pic.

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  261. However GFE means french kissing and no condom blowjobs, both are low risk… and no clockwatching + not being a bitch.

    Penetration is still with a condom..

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  262. How dare you? How fucking DARE YOU? COWARDS? Come on, come up and tell me to my fucking face that I don’t get an opinion. That I don’t have a right to be heard. You won’t do it, will you? WILL YOU, YOU FUCKING WOMAN-HATING PIECE OF SHIT?

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  263. collegeboy:

    remember the golden rule of online pic posting: select the most flattering thing you’ve got.

    google some other pics of her. she looks like francis mcdormand with frizzy hair and chiclet teeth. thus beaver.

    plus, this troll isn’t the real biting beaver.

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  264. These are the same types of men who shaved the heads of wymyn at Auschwitz. These are the same types of men who raped wymyn in rape camps in Bosnia. These are the same types of men who thought up the unspeakable crime of FGM.

    This is simply another manifestation of the male species’ uncontrollable desire to control wymyn, with any means and at all costs. A man’s mind cannot handle the idea of wymyn beginning the revolution and casting them off. So they set out on campaigns of terror like this to maintain the status quo.

    This makes me so angry that I’m crying and shaking as I type this. Wymyn are never free from the violence of the men, it seems, even on the internet. It’s like a classic case of womb-envy… we have the power to create, but they can only destroy and tear down.

    But we won’t be torn down. I feel the power of the Goddess in me and in all wymyn. She will give us the strength to fight these evil opppressors and take back what is rightfully ours. Years from now we can tell our daughters that we gave our all to defend our freedom.

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  265. on October 19, 2009 at 11:20 pm unlearning genius

    @Roissy,

    Free market capitalism applied to the mating markets. The problem still remains that once in the states the once nice foreign women transform into men-hating fattened hens with american women buddies and might chop your balls metaphorically some day. The truth is that power corrupts and it is not that these other women are inherently sweet or anything. They are just poor and powerless.

    Nothing can save a man’s ass unless he is a tough man. The only people you can really trust in this world are your parents to a large extent, your siblings and gene-relatives to a moderate extent and if you are really luck, your wife/woman to a lesser extent.

    A better solution to the world’s problems in my opinion is the legalization of prostitution. Not all men have the patience or the need to be sneaky fuckers or consumptive maters.

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  266. Beaver deserves a fucking trophy for this epic trollery.

    SRSLY

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  267. Kids as parasites? You bet your ass they are. So are my dogs and my horses. They need me to take care of them, feed them, keep them safe. They are completely unable to fend for themselves unless I do it for them. Fetuses are parasites. Period. They offer nothing to their host but live from the hosts body.

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  268. Finally, I spoke to him. Finally, I told him that I was tired of BDSM. I told him I longed for the days when he had actually made love to me. When he was tender without ropes, without chains, without pain and spit and whips. I cried. I asked him, in my desperation that day, to “Please, just make love to me. Please make love to me now, prove to me that you still can.” I told him I needed, craved, desired a gentle touch without pain.

    He tried. Until he entered me, then his hand crept to my neck and there it was, the same old dominance. He squeezed my neck and I was gasping for air as my head got light. I cried as he ‘made love’ to me and the tears flowed freely down my face before dropping onto his hand. He kissed the tears away as I cried and it was then that I realized that this was not love. He was incapable of love and I wondered and I heard my warrior crying out to me, I heard her words from across the divide and my heart sank and my tears dried as he finished the act.

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  269. To Roissy :

    I realize you favor an anarchic commenting field, but could you PLEASE give consideration to banning slagmaster and Biting Beaver?

    PLEASE?

    [editor: i don’t ban. anyhow, slagmaster just showed up and the bb entity is a troll i like to play with.]

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  270. I will need pictures and bios of these potential foreign brides before I decide how grave this injustice is.

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  271. BB

    Dude, you are a talented writer. Thing is, you are obviously too clever to be a real feminist.

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  272. chuck your right.

    i found one.

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  273. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver

    I sent this to you all to show that there is absolutely nothing that roissy et al can dish out to me. I CAN HANDLE IT ALL.

    I eat this shit for breakfast.

    If you really want to read my raging feminist tome. Check it out at:
    http://archiveofthebitingbeaver.wordpress.com/

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  274. I became a divided woman. When he came to me in the morning and put the nipple clamps on me I knew that I was not free. What began with fuzzy cuffs and playful ‘spanking’ ultimately led me to a place where the man I loved tried to seal my vagina with hot wax.

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  275. I think that the first time I felt ‘real’ terror was when I looked down at him with a needle in his hand, poking into the skin of my nipple, drawing blood, threatening to pierce it. I screamed in terror and unadulterated horror as the cross stitch needle, the very needle that I had used to make the wall hanging in my living room, disappeared into my flesh.

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  276. that is enough for the day.

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  277. Cell phone cameras and cheap digital cameras are the best thing to happen in amateur porn.

    The number of pictures with decent quality teen girls posing naked and blowing guys is amazing. The best part is so many are self taken..

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  278. Damn!

    I just noticed that the GIRLGAME blog is rigorously focused on game and social dynamics. Nothing else. None of this whining shit. None of this racism shit. Just social dynamics, pure and simple.

    Interesting….in way, not surprising: what a man can do..a WOMAN CAN DO BETTER.

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  279. I just noticed that the GIRLGAME blog is rigorously focused on game and social dynamics. Nothing else. None of this whining shit. None of this racism shit. Just social dynamics, pure and simple.

    Maybe Obsidian and Ruby can stop whining about this blog and go over there then.

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  280. Is it not curious that the man BB loved wanted to seal her vagina with wax and pierce her nipple.

    What does it say about her taste in men? I wonder if she ever had sex with a plain boring guy who was not into hurting her.

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  281. Hmm. This I interesting.

    What never ceases to amaze me is the degree to which we as a group here engage in misdirection; the issue here that Chic, Chuck, Biting Beaver, myself and a few others all agree on, is the overall tone of complaint, scapegoating and general bitterness on the part of the bulk and mass of the commentariot here, which just happens to be, White Males.

    [editor: was martin luther king whining? or should he have simply renounced his citizenship and left for a country that didn’t have civil rights problems?]

    The same White Males who not only tout a self-reliant, pick yourself up by the bootstraps line, but at the sametime swears up ad down that it is Black folk who never miss an opportunity to lay blame at the feet of anyone close by for their failings. Yet, the vast majority of the Black people here, do not engage in such things, and the “accusers”, who happen to be White, do.

    Now, given that this is a Game-oriented forum first and foremost, and given that Game is by definition a self-improvement endeavor, I have to ask, what is up with that?

    I’ve said it before, and it bears repeating, that a lot of you guys have pretty much everything-great educations, careers, you name it. And yet you sound so very bitter. It just aint cool.

    I don’t know Roissy personally, but from what I’ve observed over the past year, he says many things that are on point, and there are things that I deeply disagree with him about. One of them is wrt the racial thing: again, there have been many times when folks have been allowed to say all manner of things about Black people that weren’t challenged. Only when I and a few others came along to speak to that, there’s all this “Kraken” talk. I think its patently unfair, and this has been reflected somewhat in the participation of Black commenters here.

    Anyway, what I really want to focus in on is the tone not just here, but throughout the Mansphere, if you will: all the bile, the bitterness, bordering on hatred. We may not like Biting Beaver and others charging us with Misogyny, but I gotta tell ya, if you just step back and take a look at the whole thing-the blatant, out and out bitterness directed toward just about everything-the overall message one gets here is that of Spoiled White Guys who are angry and mad that the world no longer revolves around them anymore. And what’s really sad is that Roissy offers some really good and useful info that gets drowned out behind the other stuff I just mentioned.

    [the other stuff is good and useful. the difference is that you just happen to personally dislike the other stuff.]

    What I’m hoping will happen is that we’ll have a discussion about what it is that has made so many of you so very unhappy, and the ways to fix that. Instead of just merely taking aim at outer targets.

    The Obsidian

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  282. Merely noticing, consciously, the concept of “social dynamics” is so not XX chromosomal behavior.
    And no human female has ever thought of anything as “pure and simple.” Ever. The smell of trollery is overwhelmimg.

    [editor: good catch. bb is not just a troll, it’s a dude. i suspect it’s “the cock of obama”.]

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  283. on October 19, 2009 at 11:56 pm Engelbert Humperdinck

    [editor: was martin luther king whining? or should he have simply renounced his citizenship and left for a country that didn’t have civil rights problems?]

    Jesus fucking Christ your fallacies are embarrassing.

    [editor: in case it passed by your pea brain, that’s not a counterargument.]

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  284. BB:

    “I eat this shit for breakfast.”

    You eat shit for breakfast?

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  285. to ROSIE and RUM.

    Of course, i am a guy. you dumbknopf. I have big swinging balls and a raging erection.

    You wanna suck?

    (why else fantasize about me being a guy then?)

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  286. Chuck….

    I like you…dont be like them..okay, sugar plum?

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  287. just checked the ip history.

    survey saaaays… bb is cock of obama.

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  288. If American women dont like American men dating foreign women, they are free to date foreign men in the same manner.

    But they dont do they?

    Wonder why that is?

    Yes, I know……………..Im mean and cruel. How dare I bring up something ugly like that. A pox be on me and camels fleas and splinters in my toes while I walk through hell, etc, etc, etc.

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  289. Speaking of Martin Luther Kinky (King).

    Lyndon Bains Johnson (you know, LBJ) had audio tapes via Herbert Hoover’s FBI that recorded MLK privately during orgies he had with YOUNG women. King was heard exclaiming biblical “double entendres” from the New Testament, some from Jesus’ own red-letter verses.

    “My second coming” (cumming)

    “Behold I cometh upon thee”

    et cetera, et cetera.

    I dont think people would ever look at King the same again if they heard the Reverend on those tapes.

    Jes’ sayin’.

    [editor: if those tapes are true, then mlk’s coolness factor just went through the roof.]

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  290. I just checked your IP address too, roissy. It says you have AIDS….

    What a shocker!

    [editor: speaking of shockers, your gay boyfriend ever surprise you with a little of the ol’ rectal pinky rape?]

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  291. Jules

    Busybody neighbourhood women even got together to encourage the woman to change her supposedly backward relationship with her husband.

    Another perfect example of the nature of female social role. They gossip and backstab at each other at every opportunity, yet still retain a hive political mind.

    Women do their best to set the frame. Generally, they win at it. But the mature man can beat women at their own game. Beat them with their own game.

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  292. on October 20, 2009 at 1:12 am Max in Australia

    I dont know if the planets are aligned or something but I have actually met 2 thin American women in the last 2 days…..

    does this

    “IMBRA also requires background checks before speech or other forms of communication are permitted between American citizens and foreign nationals.”

    mean they are not allowed to talk with me much less hook up so i can get a green card?

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  293. Joe said about Firepowers jive ‘this comment fails as comedy but as a performance piece of seething drawn-out passive-aggression its a masterpiece.”

    Made me laugh. I’d say it worked as both comedy and seething passive aggression.

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  294. Gig

    Dubai looks like the most promising. Singapore and Hong Kong also look OK.

    But those are all high cost of living countries. Why not safe-guard capitol in such countries but live in low cost of living countries? The money saved can be re-invested.

    And there are other benefits of low cost of living countries – most notably the poontang.

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  295. on October 20, 2009 at 2:49 am Hofmann's Problem Child

    Obsidian is OK in my book, even though there was a heated race exchange between us a while ago. Plenty of race-bullshit comes from White beta-cons here, too — not that he never stirs up his own shit. But it’s not like White men are not whiners nowadays, a basic premise of this blog.

    Keep the posts, Obsidian.

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  296. “Singapore could be good, but is not surrounded by a strong state to protect it,”

    I’m not sure what you mean by this. Singapore has by far the largest airforce in all of SEA. Even much larger Malasia is currently not a military threat to it. Nor even massive Indonesia. They know their size, but they are smart and strategic. I doubt anyone would dare fuck with singapore. Only China or Japan could even try.

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  297. on October 20, 2009 at 2:51 am Hofmann's Problem Child

    As for this entry by Roissy, again it made my day, and will leave me reflecting. The funny thing is that lately I have been thinking about fleeing this country (the U.S.).

    His responses to the feminists make me laugh.

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  298. >>feministx.blogspot.com

    Everytime a woman marries a muslim man from another country, you should be thankful for this law.

    >>

    Why?

    US females deserve everything they get.

    Hell, they deserve a lot worse.

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  299. “When I lived in the CIS, I didn’t know a single Russian woman who wasn’t cheating on her husband. ”

    When I hear people compare women of different cultures, it seems silly to me.

    Women are women. There is no country in which women are not opportunistic. Given the opportunity and desire, women will cheat.

    It’s not cultural.

    I’m not sure why that is so difficult to understand.

    You can’t enculturate a woman not to cheat. In all cultures a good proportion of women will, given the desire and opportunity.

    There is no country with better women – there are only countries in which women have different priorities. If you want women who can have western quality education and conversational abilities, you’re best off with westerners. If you want feminity and subservience, look to SE Asia. Regardless, it is the man who must mould the girl – in any country if you give an inch she’ll try to get a mile.

    This notion that there is some culture to look to find good girls is absurd.

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  300. EE

    Your best bet is to get a white-collar job and find a second generation woman raised by very traditional parents here in the States. Traditional Asian grandmothers love to play matchmaker if they know you AND YOUR FAMILY well. The Vietnamese grapevine is a wonderous thing indeed.

    Depends what you are looking for. If your prime goal is to get a woman for a stable, family oriented, financially successful household, that could be a good strategy.

    But if you want a lust based relationship full of passion and fun, that strategy would be oblique to that line of persuit.

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  301. This comment is in relation to firepowers comment about the barn door: In this case I would say that the more proper analogy is that the mooing, fat cows want the barn door to stay closed so that no lovely slim does can enter from the mysterious woods beyond.

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  302. Hmmmm, this is news to me. My ethnically Russian/former resident of eastern Ukraine bf is here on a student visa, but I’ve spoken to an immigration lawyer about marriage/Green Cards, etc. The whole process is a huge pain in the ass with lots of red tape and aggravation, but background searches were never mentioned. Kind of insulting that a woman would have to be subjected to this bullshit. Thanks feminazi cunts!
    Having a sweet, succulent Russian to play with all night every night will be worth all of the hassle though.

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  303. >>Biting Beaver

    How dare you? How fucking DARE YOU? COWARDS? Come on, come up and tell me to my fucking face that I don’t get an opinion. That I don’t have a right to be heard. You won’t do it, will you? WILL YOU, YOU FUCKING WOMAN-HATING PIECE OF SHIT?

    >>>

    I’ll tell you to your face…

    I beleive in censorship and lot worse.

    Indeed, if censoring your ilk would cause mass pain, hardship and depression and suicide and death, I would censor you and all with relish, malice and spite.

    I’m not hamstringed by that nonsensical constitutional, american gobblygook. Nor that simpering _self-defeating_ jebus claptrap blabber.

    Have a nice day.

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  304. on October 20, 2009 at 3:52 am Reader at the Bolotnaya Diner

    I’m reading this post from the Starlite Diner at Bolotnaya Ploschad, Moscow Russia 119072.

    I’m trying to come up with some reason to allow 23 year old Russians to escape to the US where I won’t meet them.

    Haven’t come up with anything yet but if I think of something I’ll let you know.

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  305. Biting Beaver is so _cute_ when she’s angry, stamping her little foot and trying to act all grown up and serious.

    Hugs (and an affectionate slap on the bottom) to Biting Beaver!!!!!

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  306. Slagmaster

    Guys…multiculturalism, 3d world immigration, and all this stuff is pushed by international capital and Wall Street…not silly professors at universities, no one cares about them. These are also the same forces that push feminism.

    Why would it be in the financial best interest for the industrialists and bankers to social engineer a multicult society?

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  307. Slagmaster “Thai girls are A+”

    ???!!!!

    Thai girls will drive you INSANE.

    On the other hand, it’s trial by fire with them. Either they will destroy you or you will learn how to handle what is woman.

    But Thai girls are NOT what a westerner expects. They are not demure and simple and sweet. They are vicious and dangerous untamable social animals. They WILL fuck with your head.

    Never, never, never underestimate a Thai girl. And never assume trust with one. No matter what.

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  308. If anyone followed the link to that 4chan wikipedia page about Biting Beaver, it would have been obvious that this incarnation is not the original. Therefore a 4chan troll. I’ve suspected it as male for a while now.

    And now that he’s outed as also the cock of obama, it’s funny to see people still trollerized by him.

    He’s got his hooks right into so many people here. Aww, isn’t that cute. He made you care.

    He isn’t even worth a raping.

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  309. Puma

    I say let such research proceed uninhibited. It doesn’t matter for long.

    I’m a great supporter of the Humanity+/Transhumanism movement and think that upcoming advances in biotechnology will help to make ethno-genetic differences moot — and increase the aggregate quality and quantity of life for all of humanity.

    I’m on record as heavily agreeing with you on this Puma. It’s a major blindspot of people who want to restrict mating to people with appropriate genes, for the sake of future generations. A blind spot and deaf spot – they can’t see what is about to hit them – a fucking locomotive.

    Idiot Injuns never saw a locomotive, and so can’t expect it coming. Tell them about it, and they just can’t care.

    I disagree that transhumanism is necessarily benefial. We can’t know that. Anything that can fall under the sway of evolution will cause change that wipes out previous competitors for rescources. We can’t know what will wipe out what. All we can count on is drastic change. Change we can not yet possibly fathom.

    I’m hoping future generations of WII will have me wirelessly connected to a bio-printed live pterodactyl. I’ll fly around Utah Canyonlands, and even swing over to Central Park to terrorize the transhumanist poodles. If I get shot, no problem, just unplug from my WII headset.

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  310. T-1000 “If only there were viable ways to make a real living in the third world, I’d be there in a heartbeat ”

    Of course there are. Ask around or read archives on expat forums. A lot of expats are corporate wage slaves or english teachers, sure, but quite a lot are also entrepreneurs. Grow an online business in your spare time at home, and once it has matured, you’re independant. Then all you need are some money management skills.

    Many work as private contractors, with their particular skills. The oil industry is always hiring. If you are a people person you might qualify as a bar manager. If you have money to invest there are endless small investment opportunities – buy a boat and start a ferry service.

    It’s not rocket science.

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  311. Gunner “So Indo will charge me 27 percent tac on what I make. ”

    From what I’ve read only about a third of Indonesians pay income tax. There isn’t a big IRS knocking on everyones door over here. Staying under the radar is not only easy, but is the perfectly acceptable norm.

    And those that do pay income tax are well known to pay less than the legal requirement.

    It’s a rather lawless society. If you stand out, you are likely to get shaken down, but the IRS is not the mafia it is in the west.

    Indonesia still has no push make income tax a universal requirement for its citizenry. I’m not sure how they fund their government services, but it seems income tax isn’t the main source.

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  312. Gunner to O “Your acting like you jsut invented a new coke product. What the fuck do you think people have been doing and preparing to do.”

    Ya, like when he admonishes people to read books on game, and considers that a helpful contribution. Or says in the same tone “I’ve done the inner work!” How unfuckinghelpful is that postering. Just do it. Gee! What insight!

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  313. Holy fucken shit America is becoming a nanny state that controls every avenue of your lives. This is from the perspective of an outsider.

    What happened to a nation founded on liberty and the right of an individual to pursue happiness.

    It all comes down to whether or not the government ought to be able to dictate people’s sex lives. If you are sticking up for this shitty legislation than you are saying yes.

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  314. O

    Biting Beaver,
    Thanks for the kind words.

    You really can’t spot a troll, can you. I bet you still think DA is an actual personality.

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  315. Oh ya, that was the 4chanpidia link.

    Biting Beaver

    To those daring me to give a picture or a life story. Here it is.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver

    Anyone who read that and couldn’t immediately tell that this incarnation is not the old has had too many dicks fucking their ear holes.

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  316. Another reason to suspect BB has a penis is that women generally don’t do irony. BB is heavily, deeply, subteraneously ironic. His humor is so subteranean as to be imperceptible. He’s only humoring himself. Women can’t do that.

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  317. For people who didn’t notice, the 4chanpidia link to biting beaver was posted many days ago. A week? I mentioned it here before scrolling down and seeing it posted again and people catching on. And yesterday Femx even pointed out that the new BB was not the old incarnation.

    As if all those clues were even needed. It should have taken less than a few days of reading BB to see it was a persona, not a personality.

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  318. In the US there are much worse legal discriminations agianst men than IMBRA. The prohibition of prostitution and the ridiculously high ages of consent come to mind. It is completely unjust that a man who pays to have sex with an adult woman (18 plus) should be criminalized. On the other hand, an age of consent of 18 is way to high for young men who seek wifes. The minimum age for prostitution should be 18, but not for relationships and marriage. Between the ages of 14 to 22 women can bond deeply with their chosen men, that’s why ideally men should look in that age bracket for wifes. It was the feminists who raised the ages of consent and tried to forbid alcohol. Statutory rape is a faux crime whose goal is to destroy the institution of family by trying to prevent young men in their twenties to meet marriageminded teen girls which whom they can form lifelong bonds. A man can form much easier a bond with a 16 year old girl that with a 30 year old perimenopausal woman. Lowering the Age of consent to 14 for heterosexual sex, specialy if the suitor has the parents authorization, is one of the most urgent and needed legal reforms in the US.

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  319. Oh please! Of course there should be quarantines for all flora and fauna coming into the country. Sure she looks cute but a bloodtest might reveal she’s an outright disease bag. And, yes, the rules should allow to women trying to import a man too.

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  320. “Deborah

    So, I take it that you are fine with American women being required to submit to a background check before being allowed to communicate with foreign men? By Federal Law?”

    I understand how MRA’s would find this law intrusive and frustrating, but would I submit a background check to have a hot foreign mail order male sent to my house?

    Yes, yes I would. I have nothing to fear because the worst thing in my criminal history is a few speeding tickets.

    Does the IMBRA law not apply to women ordering foreign men? I definitely agree that it should, to be non-sexist.

    So, this law is frustrating to be sure, but still – how does it make it IMPOSSIBLE to get a mail order bride if you aren’t some type of violent criminal?

    I know a man who met a nice Vietnamese girl on the internet, brought her to the states, and married her all a year ago. It’s not impossible.

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  321. on October 20, 2009 at 8:13 am gunslingergregi

    The hurt black man now wining jesus christ dude. I am probably gonna be giving a lot of marriage counseling to black dudes thanks to you opening my eyes O. I just want to say thank you. Shit like taking candy from babies.

    internal O “I got called justifyable”. “Trembling lip” “lip quivers” “a kracken” “as tears flow down face.

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  322. on October 20, 2009 at 8:15 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””””xsplat
    Gunner “So Indo will charge me 27 percent tac on what I make. ”

    From what I’ve read only about a third of Indonesians pay income tax. There isn’t a big IRS knocking on everyones door over here. Staying under the radar is not only easy, but is the perfectly acceptable norm.

    And those that do pay income tax are well known to pay less than the legal requirement.

    It’s a rather lawless society. If you stand out, you are likely to get shaken down, but the IRS is not the mafia it is in the west.

    Indonesia still has no push make income tax a universal requirement for its citizenry. I’m not sure how they fund their government services, but it seems income tax isn’t the main source.”””””””””’

    Yea thats why it a free country. But when you get the business license to permanently stay you got to file taxes.

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  323. on October 20, 2009 at 8:22 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””It’s not cultural.

    I’m not sure why that is so difficult to understand.
    ”””””””

    Yea I don’t think so. I got this american chick feeding me and washing my nuts. It is the american laws that fuck shit up for the future.

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  324. on October 20, 2009 at 8:30 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””xsplat
    Gunner to O “Your acting like you jsut invented a new coke product. What the fuck do you think people have been doing and preparing to do.”

    Ya, like when he admonishes people to read books on game, and considers that a helpful contribution. Or says in the same tone “I’ve done the inner work!” How unfuckinghelpful is that postering. Just do it. Gee! What insight!
    ””””””’

    That and his insight that black woman don’t like white men. I took the pepsi challenge. They fucking don’t know what to do with themselves when they meet a man who doesn’t complain about the man keeping them down. When a man has all the knowledge to make them free and it is simple and easy to understand.

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  325. on October 20, 2009 at 8:36 am gunslingergregi

    I’m so fucking humanitarian that I am even helping this chick get a better job by going online for her and pulling up places for her to send her resume too. Give it a year and I will again have given another woman the ability to be free of the chains that bind.

    Freedom bitches.

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  326. “Yea thats why it a free country. But when you get the business license to permanently stay you got to file taxes.”

    Sure, for what you want to have in your name. But you can always invest in the businesses of people who are off the books, and deposit or re-invest your earnings where you see fit.

    Your PT will be scrutinized, but what you do with your money won’t be. If you buy some pregnant cows, do you plan on reporting the profit of the cowlets?

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  327. on October 20, 2009 at 8:50 am gunslingergregi

    Yea helping multiple woman succeed is more than likely the easiest way to get around anything.

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  328. on October 20, 2009 at 8:51 am Engelbert Humperdinck

    I’m so fucking humanitarian that I am even helping this chick get a better job by going online for her and pulling up places for her to send her resume too. Give it a year and I will again have given another woman the ability to be free of the chains that bind.

    What a fuckin’ beta.

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  329. Deb, you miss the point of why these policies (and governing groups) are not liked.

    (Hint: it has nothing to do with criminal men wanting to remain undiscovered as they flirt and court. It is the fact that governing bodies that oversee men –and think of them in questionable terms– exist at all, period.

    It further underscores that… Parliamentary democracy, americanism and jesus and capitalism are a disaster. Most white men haven’t hit that final Epiphany yet because of conservative conformity impulse [‘masculine duty instinct’]. When they do… look out.)

    ———

    Females need to be mute and stunted; or replaced.

    ———–
    Testing before voting.

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  330. on October 20, 2009 at 8:54 am gunslingergregi

    Hence why such a push for laws to make it difficult for men and woman to build anything together. God forbid you have a man and a couple woman working towards some common goals of making temselves free might actually make it happen.

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  331. >>October 20, 2009 at 8:00 am _Gannon_

    CORRECT.

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  332. on October 20, 2009 at 9:03 am gunslingergregi

    Oh yea and it doesn’t take generations as most learned folk from college are automatically taught. It only takes a few years or so or even less.

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  333. @Gunslinger Hence why such a push for laws to make it difficult for men and woman to build anything together.

    Possible answer: the global capitalists (who are the same people as global socialists) want to decouple men from women, children from parents, families from culture, and nations from their histories. They want a single global market of docile, atomized, mongrelized consumers of trinkets and social welfare.

    This is why global capitalists/socialists HATE HATE HATE people who are industrious, productive, self-policing, and self-sufficient. People like you and I: because we don’t need them. We are not their potential customers.

    The good news: the global capitalists/socialists will fail. And God willing, they will fail spectacularly. Their kind always does.

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  334. on October 20, 2009 at 9:16 am gunslingergregi

    Yea pa it is actually interesting in the black families run by woman. There are always kids around and family everywhere. Kind of cool to me. Now if it can be moulded into something more than mostly welfare recipiants could make some shit happen.

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  335. on October 20, 2009 at 9:20 am gunslingergregi

    Then of course all the putting down of black men for being deadbeats I can see maybe how obsid could be sensitive somewhat when black woman treat them like pieces of shit.

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  336. on October 20, 2009 at 9:42 am gunslingergregi

    For instance a black woman will have her man “bitch” wash dishes. I was shocked lol

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  337. “Yea pa it is actually interesting in the black families run by woman. There are always kids around and family everywhere. Kind of cool to me. Now if it can be moulded into something more than mostly welfare recipiants could make some shit happen.”

    I understand that this is hyperbole, but for the sake of general understanding I think its important to point what the real numbers are.

    Quickest fact I could find on number of black households in the US gave 13.2 Million black households in 2001.

    http://www.bc.edu/research/cwp/features/africanamerican.html

    I have the full 2006 TANF report on my hard drive from which I get 644K black households on welfare.

    Which gives me 4.88% of black families on welfare. While this is not an ineviable percentage, it is far far from being most.

    This data crosses years of course but I don’t have a ready made household number from 2006. However, the population of black Americans is rising at approximately 1.3% per year. If we assume a similar household growth rate (which must be true if household size is in equilibrium) then I get 14.1M black households and a welfare percentage of 4.56%

    I should also point out that until this recession TANF roles were in pretty steady decline. This suggests at least that the percentage was likely lower right before the recession. Just based on past experience with these numbers I would also guess that they are lower even during the recession though with a significant upturn.

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  338. “True. Why not renounce your citizenship?

    Oh, right, because it sucks more to be a citizen of anywhere else.”

    You pay a premium (exit tax) by renouncing you citizenship. The exit tax is made so that wealthy individuals will still get taxed.

    A lot of the wealthy people already left the country, and have been citizens of all sorts of weird small countries/territories. From there they can invest their money, not pay tax, and just live off of that.

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  339. ROSIE,

    “surprise you with a little of the ol’ rectal pinky rape?”

    Are you speaking from experience, rosie?
    Is that what you and zeets do in your “downtime”? lmao.

    “xsplat”…is that the sound a semen makes as it splashes against your face? Hmmm…..

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  340. A simple question for ROSIE:

    By your account, will you say your sister is a slut?

    (given your attitude towards woman in general).

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  341. Biting Beaver sounds less adorable in the day time when Pupu reads her with a sober mind. She is still a lot of fun though.

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  342. I used to enjoy baiting Biting Beaver but now that “she” is revealed to be a mentally ill quasi-male, not so much.

    By the way, FGM is not a male or “patriarchal” practice. It is done and encouraged by older women to control their young competition.

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  343. To those obsessing over my non-existent dick or thereof.

    I have only this to say: i dont qualify myself to retarded conservative white men.

    But you are welcome to your cognitive dissonance.

    And your homoerotic fantasy.

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  344. on October 20, 2009 at 10:25 am gunslingergregi

    ””’I understand that this is hyperbole,””””’
    Naa talking about making them into a money making machine for my personal use.

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  345. i dont qualify myself to retarded conservative white men.

    You are doing it in every comment you post.

    Anyway, what are your thoughts on the matriarchal aspect of FGM?

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  346. PA

    By the way, FGM is not a male or “patriarchal” practice. It is done and encouraged by older women to control their young competition.

    Yup, just as sexual shaming is the domain of women. Women call each other sluts. What men call them doesn’t much matter. After all, women know better than men that when it comes to relations between the sexes, it’s not what you say, it’s what you do.

    When it comes to relations between women, it’s what you say. Women battle for status with their wicked little tongues.

    You should see the old matriarchs prancing around SE Asia. Big puffy hair, fancy nails, BMW. Whenever they approach a queu they always but in, as if they are Queen Ms. Queen Bee.

    Uuuuuggghhhhhh.

    THAT is the soul of a woman. To go from being a little princess to a top status Queen bee.

    Uuuuugggghhhhh.

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  347. on October 20, 2009 at 10:37 am gunslingergregi

    That is actually more callous than I really am. To help someone be actually free in this life is its own reward. I may benefit but not needed. Tiss really the secret.

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  348. PA stands for “POKING ANUS”.

    ‘Nuff said.

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  349. Women are absolutely fascinated by status. And not just male status. Consider Princess Dy or any female celebrity. Just hypnotizes their little brains. They can’t stop staring.

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  350. You should see the old matriarchs prancing around SE Asia. Big puffy hair, fancy nails, BMW. Whenever they approach a queu they always but in, as if they are Queen Ms. Queen Bee.

    This is what some pro-polygamy Western feminists / hypergamous girls don’t get about polygamy. You don’t just marry your husband. You co-marry a tyrannical Queen Bee who relegates all the nasty chores to you and abuses your children.

    It’s like a mother-in-law and the Devil Wears Prada bitch all in one. Plus she sleeps with your husband.

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  351. Is somebody feelin’ gwumpy today?

    hugs

    (((((((biting beaver))))))

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  352. Biting Beaver, that’s really neat how you can do cool letter tricks. Three-letter puzzles next week? What other fun games do you play at the Institute?

    Anyway, what are your thoughts on the matriarchal aspects of FGM?

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  353. PA, how the fuck do you manage to guess that i work at the institute?

    Are you one of my co-workers? Is that you, Thomasz?

    Weird.

    (i have had that FGM debate with you before, right? i know i did with thomasz. The fact that you are focused on it now…hmmm….who are you? Hmmm…Is that why you are grinning at me this morning?)

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  354. on October 20, 2009 at 11:03 am Conservative Cock

    I’d so like to rawdog Biting Beaver in the ass with my conservative cock, to the point where she bleeds with orgasmic pleasure and bliss.

    She would so love it.

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  355. Biting Beaver, no, I am Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz. We play scrabble together during Social Time on Thursdays. But not this week. You lost your play privileges after you attacked me for spelling “Polish Sausage.” The nice counselor lady told me you were angry because it frightened you.

    In any case, I would be very interested in your considered thoughts on the matriarchal aspect of FGM.

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  356. Feministx,

    here is a map of cousin marriages around the world: http://www.consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence

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  357. Roissy,
    I find it interesting that you would ask me a question about MLK in light of the current discussion, which was, as I recall, “repealing the IMBRA act now”. Say what you will about King, he actually got things done, which is more than I can say for the vast majority of Men here.

    You have now become a major player out here on the blogosphere. People link to your site and cite you early and often. You’re now in a position to make some changes. But as long as the general perception persists, that this and related venues are filled up with angry, disaffected White guys, it will not only turnoff people, but it will only confirm many of their views to begin with.

    Going back to King, many took him to task on his nonviolent approach, among other things. But history has borne him out. When the nation and indeed, the world, saw images of nicely dressed and comported Black folk being viciously beaten, stampeded and had dogs sicced on them by police, threatened by White Citizen’s Councils and the Ku Klux Klan, White Americans-even those who weren’t particularly crazy about African Americans-had had enough. The sheer ugliness of White racists, caught on camera for all to see, was enough to turn the tide. Had King chose instead to go the Black Panther route, we probably wouldn’t even be having this discussion, right now.

    If anything Roissy, I would say that you and others here need to take a page out of his book, and present Game and in a wider sense the Men’s Movement in its best light-cultured, refined, in a word, more gentlemanly. That’s what I took away from Style’s book The Game-that he was a good guy, even when he had the ability to bed dozens of Women, pretty much at will. He just didn’t come off as the seriously emotionally and possibly mentally maladjusted type of guy that is typical of these parts, and by that I mean the Mansphere in general. Moreover, Style never once blamed anyone or anything for his troubles; in fact, in the book and I know you read it, he explicitly states that anytime something went wrong with a pickup or sarge the FIRST place he would look to was himself, NOT the chick. It was Style’s tale of self-improvement and self-responsibility, that really hooked me, and I’ve worked hard ever since I’ve read that book nearly a year ago, to follow his example. Its a work under construction, but the change and real differences made, speak for themselves.

    I can’t speak for everyone else here, but a big part of my upbringing was the Marine Corps way of life. Though I never served myself, I come from three generations of Marines, and my dad and grandad burning that ethic into me. Neither was trying to hear me complain about the White Man, Women, or whatever else: Improvise, Adapt, Overcome was a mantra in my household growing up. In many ways, that’s how I viewed Style’s take on Game.

    Anyway, you and errbody else here, can and will do what you wanna. But I’m just sayin-your cause is not helped when the most socially, politically and economically dominant group in America constantly gathers to bleat “woe is me” and everyone else sees that. It not only turns folk off, but it also gives the Mansphere, and by extensioin Game, a bad name.

    Who is really being helped by that?

    The Obsidian

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  358. Say what you will about King, he actually got things done,

    His communist liberal allies found him more useful than George Wallace.

    which is more than I can say for the vast majority of Men here.

    How do you know — from your personal acquaintance with anyone who coments here?

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  359. Well, the ethnic Germans have contributed as much or more than the English, but traditionally Poland had no big polish middle class, even if the poles are smart (There are greats like Chopin, Banach, Conrad, just to name a few.) The reason was that the ethnic poles were discriminated (excluding the nobility) against in the multicultural Poland. All the “foreigners” The Jews, Germans, Tatars etc. all had more rights than the peasants. Someone have said that the old Poland was a heaven for the nobility, paradise for the Jews and hell for the peasants. The Jews were the middle man between the ruling nobility and the peasants. This is one of the reasons why they were hated (but the Germans were too hated).
    The problem with an intelligent and successful minority is always ethnocentrism. In Finland we have the Swedes, but I am glad that an average Finn can quite freely let some steam out with regards to them, so the relationship stays overall quite good.

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  360. [quote=roissy]signed into law in January 2006 by [b]one of the country’s worst Presidents ever, [/b]George W. Bush:[/quote]
    I would have vowed my life you were an avid Bush support.

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  361. PA,
    LOL. Your attemped takedown of King is pathetic and only gives witness yet again to the point I was making earlier. Wanna try again?

    As for what I said about most of you guys here, OK, you tell me-we all agree that IMBRA is wrong, right? So, what are any of YOU doing about it, other than bitching on a blog? And, keep in mind, many of you are in the DC area and are legal eagles. I’ll await your response.

    The Obsidian

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  362. Obsidian

    FP,
    I think you got it twisted, bro-its a lot of White guys who are constantly whining, equivocating and excuse making, instead of taking a look in the mirror and taking control of their lives. Trust me, no Brotha I know complains about Sistas to the extent I hear many of you complain about American White Women

    Thanks O, I knew you’d direct me toward that Correctness.

    White guys do have it wrong – living with the women and kids; that makes those dumbasses complain about bills, school, budgets, dental work, jobs, paychecks and taxes. Brothas got it right. No nead to complain about bitches – just leave and on to the next one. Woman needs groceries? brotha aint there. Kids in juvi? He be gone. No complaints. Damn, bro, I have me about 20 kids and wanna make my DNA eternal if I could only figure out a way to pay for it

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  363. Joe, you seriously need to decide: are you my biggest fan, Gig’s or Firepowers.

    Re. King, are you rejecting the idea that whatever his merits, he had allies in the Northeast establishment, and many of said allies had documented ties to CPUSA and other arguably USSR-sponsored organizations? Or are you denying that his NE allies were “liberal,” as I wrote?

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  364. Oops, my bad, Joe. I thought Obsidian’s response came from you.

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  365. the last Joe is a different one from me.

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  366. on October 20, 2009 at 12:24 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Trust me, no Brotha I know complains about Sistas to the extent I hear many of you complain about American White Women”

    That is because when a 2 gives a black man a hard time, he will meander under a bridge to fuck 1’s and 0’s. I have seen this first-hand when walking over bridges.

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  367. Obsidian,

    Try being more subtle in your pathetic attempts to try to shame Roissy into toeing a more PC line and avoiding HBD, race realism, etc. in his posts and in comment threads.

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  368. Joe

    the last Joe is a different one from me.

    Then, we need a method of differentiation – like The Mandys. I need to know
    when each of you
    praises my work.

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  369. My $.03 on this latest race thread: notice how it was started by Obsidian’s earnest essay on a legitimate Topic A (male self-reliance) but interwoven within were little nuggets of passive-aggressive little snipes at white dudes, including a regurgitation of all the PC shibboleths.

    Despite the fact that I think regular black commenters are generally smart and pretty cool, stuff like “angry, disaffected White guys” (like who, other than fly-by trolls visitors?) will elicit a respopnse from non-PC brownbeaten commenters.

    On a lighter note, I take glorious credit for slaying a race-thread dragon at GirlGame, which came in the form of Obsidian’s first ever comment there.

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  370. Is O-Foreman still here?

    O, Foreman just lost his white skank, Thirteen. Hopefully, they wrote her off the show permanently, as she and her midget Jewish sidekick annoyed just about everyone (except, for her, black guys who like white skanky girls).

    Hopefully we can observe the metamorphosis of Foreman into House without being annoyed by more “I love black guys with white bisexual sluts” social commentary by those noted moralists of Hollywood.

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  371. The unknown MLK:

    http://amren.com/ar/2009/01/index.html

    He was disgusting.

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  372. Brewer,
    LOL. Obviously you haven’t read any of my many comments made by me in this venue on HBD. I have no problem with it, what I have a problem with is the way it’s used by some in our community to justify their racist views and outlook. To say nothing of their disengenuous ways in which they attempt to pigeonhole HBD into only those sectors they can crow about. Chuck Ross recently wrote about this both on his own blog and here, and I share his views. The same goes for Ferdinand Bardamu. Both are by their own admission very much into HBD, and I have cordial relations with them both.

    Cannon, LOL, here we go again with the who “Black guys will bang anything” meme. OK, let’s say for the sake of argument that’s true:

    WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHO A BLACK GUY IS BANGING? ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS WOMEN WHO, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, YOU DON’T FIND ATTRACTIVE? What is up with that? Please explain?

    PA, honestly I couldn’t care less whio King was associated with insofar as the USCPA was concerned. The bottomline was that he was able to force America to live up to its own stated creed, the end. And if the majority of you White guys here had half the balls King had, we wouldn’t be talking about IMBRA right now. The end.

    Firepower, surely you’re not attempting to suggest that Black Men have the lock on abandoning their kids and all, right? Yea, I know about stats, but just ask the MILLIONS of White Women who’ve been left high and dry by WHITE GUYS how they feel about it, somehow I doubt they’ll be too eager to go off into an arid academic discussion on the issue. All they know is they were left in the lurch by a White dude.

    Moreover, there is no law that says a Man of any color, has to marry anyone. None. Nice try at the passive aggressive thing, though. Maybe you should try stepping to me direct, that way we can get all the bullshit out the way.

    Now, then-let’s try this again:

    Why is this forum, and the “Mansphere” overall, which is made up primarily of White Males at present, so angry and bitter? Even when they have at their fingertips, the tools and means to live richer, fuller lives? How is it possible that the Black guys of these forums, simply don’t have the same tone in their “voices”? What is up with that?

    Now fellas, are we gonna Man Up and deal with the question as asked, or are we gonna play Pin the Tail on the Scapegoat, and paint ourselves as Losers, yet again?

    Hmm?

    The Obsidian

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  373. PA,
    Obviously you’ve begun to believe your own press.

    What you cannot deny is the following FACT: that this venue, and the Mansphere in general, I made up almost exclusively of White guys, who in the main sound very angry. They resist, generally, most suggestions and attempts that will actually improve their own lives. The general consensus is basically “woe is me”. RooshV said as much recently on Ferdi’s blog In Mala Fide, only he didn’t speak to the bleedingly obvious demographic factor at work: White Males.

    In no way am I being sneaky, I’m being quite open about my observation. What I find interesting is the degree to which so many of you want to weasel out of something that pretty much anyone with eyes can easily see. And you claim to want to kill the Pretty Lies.

    Oookaaay…

    The Obsidian

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  374. In Response to STFU :

    If any of those references are true, I think they SHOULD be revealed to the public.

    I think the FBI has King’s file locked out from public viewing until 2012 or 2013, if I remember right.

    My personal view is — Those references don’t reveal King to be a disgusting person, but more of a human and complex person.

    Hell, if those accusations ARE true, then I respect him a lot more.

    By your account he:

    * He played the academically idiotic university system to his advantage.

    * He fucked lots of women just use of his charisma and reputation alone. Lots of guys here aspire to the same thing even if they are married. This is of course, ignoring the ethical dimensions of such escapades.

    * He told the truth about racial conditions during the mid-20th century.

    * He was possibly a Communist-sympathizer. Eh, I admire many people who have unorthodox political beliefs.

    * He doubted some of the dubious claims of the Christian doctrine. This is definitely a “+” in my book.

    From the perspective of Hedonistic and Machiavellian lifestyles — Which many “Games-Men” within the Roissysphere and fans of Robert Greene aspire to embody — MLK Jr. seems to be the epitome of the Alpha Male.

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  375. “All Female PR/Investor Relations Firm a Key Player in Insider Trading Scandal”

    This all female firm was involved in the insider trading scandal of the hedge fund The Galleon Group.”

    This is interesting as an example of contemporary affairs. Women allied with elite males (dominated for quite some time now, and increasingly so, by “international”, non-white, Jewish, Indian, etc.).

    “Hedge Fund Galleon’s Wall Street: Minority Occupied Territory”

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  376. [editor: i’ll give bush credit for what looks to date as a pretty successful policy of preventing further terrorist attacks for the post-9/11 years of his administration. and gitmo was pretty cool.]

    Here’s a question: What if instead of invading Iraq as a means of getting our rocks off on Arabs for 9/11, we went with a radical immigration policy shift: with regard to muslims and arabs, a new world order: hot young virtuous women ok, all others get the hell out. Pedants to work out the details, but basically give us your babes yearning to wear jeans. Hell it could have even been temporary –til the next Olympics. Would women like Cindy Sheehan have been ok with that? Would soccer moms have preferred that to the totally predictable years of dead muslim kids and good young US guys with head injuries? Or would anti-racism, willful ignorance regarding military reality, and fear of losing market leverage to foreign competition trump peace, love and understanding. Ladies?

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  377. Oh, and one more thing, PA:

    Roissy brought up King, an obvious racial ploy, I didn’t. I was merely responding to that point raised by him.

    So, again: why are so many White guys so very angry?

    The Obsidian

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  378. The thing with IMBRA is that it protects FOREIGNERS rather than citizens. The USA has no obligation to protect the Betty’s living outside of the USA, who are non-US Citizens… especially at the expense of US Citizens who they ARE obligated to serve. If that doesn’t show how low the status of the average Western male has fallen, what does? Did the Roman’s protect the women of the Barbarian tribes over and above the interests of Roman Citizens? Hell NO!

    I have done some research on expating, exit taxes and whatnot.

    From what I understand, all of your taxes must be up to date when you leave the country – as in, all income tax, capital gains taxes etc. must be paid in full when you exit.

    IF you return within 10 years (For the USA – it is six years for places like Canada), then when you file your taxes again when you return home and you will be obligated to declare your world wide income as well as world wide assets, and they will be taxable. After the period though, apparently you fall off the tax-radar, and can return home without being liable for taxes. Absolutely no laws have been broken. You have to make it perfectly obvious, though, that you have LEFT. No bank accounts back home, no real estate, although I have heard of people managing to maintain a vacation cottage, and I have heard of people managing to hang onto their driver’s license, as it makes it easier to rent vehicles while abroad to have a first world D/L.

    I am a Canadian, so my knowledge is more directly applicable to that country’s laws than the USA – however, most of the advertising for off-shore banking etc. is for US citizens, and it appears to me that the same basic principles apply to each country – with merely some details differing, which ought to be researched thoroughly in any case, rather than relying on some anonymous wingnut like me on the web. I used American info first, and then compared it to Canadian law, and then spent some money with my accountant to discuss it further… before I’d dive in head first, I’d still likely spend even more money on a good tax-lawyer.

    Now, my expat plan is as follows: Take my bag of cash and run to the Turks and Caicos Islands. The TCI is the best place to do off-shore banking, so far as I can tell, because despite them being only a small spec of sand in the Caribbean, they are by far the most hostile to US pressure to open up their banking laws. The US keeps accusing them of laundering drug money with their banking system, using the War on Drugs as their bogus excuse. The Bahamas, Barbados, the Caymans etc., have all slowly been caving into US pressure to relax their banking laws. It has been a couple of years now, but I recall reading a few pieces released by the TCI government guaranteeing that there would be no change to their banking laws for 20 years… but, then again, politicians made that promise… US politicians haven’t yet cornered the market on lying scumbags getting elected.

    You can purchase a ready made numbered company “off the shelf” for around USD$5,000. This is a limited company, identified only by number, and you will become the “President” of it. You can also bring others onboard as Vice President, Treasurer, Secretary, should you wish.

    Then, you use your numbered company to get a numbered bank account. These are not tinpot banks, btw, but are first world banks. The TCI has branches of the Royal Bank of Canada, the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, and the Bank of Nova Scotia, located both on Provo (the main island) and Grand Turk (the political capitol).

    Maintaining such a bank account will cost you $250-$300 per month in fees. They will send your bank statements to any post address in the world inside an unmarked brown envelope.

    It is illegal to divulge banking information in the TCI, and those who dare, are punished. These people making their livelihood from 1). Tourism, and 2). Banking Fees. They know who butters their bread, and it the US Gov’t, if you get my drift.

    Once you have such an account, you can get a check book, and debit card, and a visa which will work anywhere in the world – you can also get this for other people, if you wish. You can also trade on the stock market.

    Said limited companies are also able to own property, and also property in SOME other countries – For example, on the island of St. Martin, a numbered company is permited to own property on the Dutch side, but the French side has many restrictions. Don’t even THINK about trying to buy property in the first world. Stick to countries like Belize, Panama, etc.

    If you are a multi-gazillionaire, what you do is start up a numbered company in the TCI or some similar place, and then with that numbered company, you purchase OTHER numbered companies in OTHER tax havens… the Caymans, Barbados, Bahamas, Panama, Belize, Cook Islands, Gibraltar, Singapore etc. and hide your money all around the world… use those numbered companies to buy even more companies, and keep burying your money deeper and deeper and deeper… of course, your expenses rise the more you bury. A middle class fella should do fine with just one.

    I would leave my bag of cash in the TCI, and then move to a place that is far cheaper to live, but perhaps where I don’t trust their economic system quite so much.

    You may wish to “return home” on a regular basis, but remember, you cannot own much “back home” – like a vehicle. But, keep in mind, the biggest issue is not that you actually live somewhere else, but that you are NOT A RESIDENT for the allotted time. They couldn’t care if you lived in 12 countries in those 10 (or 6) years, just so long as you were not a resident in your home country during that time period. One way to get around this, should you wish to return home for the summers, say, is to purchase, insure and park an RV in a neighbouring country. For example, as a Canadian, I can buy an RV in the USA, insure it in Washington State, keep it parked there, and toodle on into Canuckistan at will. Americans can park their RV in Mexico or Canada, etc. As a citizen, you have a RIGHT to be granted entry into your country. However, now you have become one of those tourists who drive 20mph below the speed limit and pisses everyone off.

    Should you wish to return home after the alloted time is up, (10yrs USA, 6yrs Canada) you will again be required to declare you personal world wide assets and income (although, the amount you made during the time period you were away, will be tax free), and you will be required to pay taxes on them again… HOWEVER, due to the banking laws of the TCI, there will be absolutely no fucking way that the government will be able to verify whether you are lying to them or not… they just have to take your word for it, which drives them NUTS! However, if you lie to them… YOU ARE NOW BREAKING THE LAW… and, I don’t recommend that to you, but rather, I recommend that you treat the good gov’t with the same respect, honesty and integrity with which they have treated you.

    These off-shore accounts are often advertised as a way to protect assets – as they are truly “safe.” They will not hand over money if you get sued, they couldn’t give a shit about your enforced alimony…

    Sorry, long post… I spent a long time researching this.

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  379. Obsidian

    Firepower, surely you’re not attempting to suggest that Black Men have the lock on abandoning their kids and all, right?

    Maybe you should try stepping to me direct, that way we can get all the bullshit out the way.

    You amazing. There you go, getting all defensive on me when I was just echoing your views, trying to help a brother out.

    There’s no pacifying
    you people

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  380. on October 20, 2009 at 1:09 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Trust me, no Brotha I know complains about Sistas to the extent I hear many of you complain about American White Women”

    Although Obsidian represses cognition of Brothas complaining about women, I will elucidate this very real phenomenon with quotes from some famous black men.

    “Oh shit! Can’t trust a bitch! I shoulda known!” – MC Ren

    “Never truss a bitch! Do you truss a bitch? I don’t truss a bitch! (so watch yo ass cuz them hoes gon take all your shit)” – 8Ball

    “Every ho I fuck hope the rubber pop!” – Master P

    “Girl, I can’t understand it, why you want to hurt me
    after all the things I’ve done for you.
    I buy you champagne and roses and diamonds on your finger (diamonds on your finger)
    still you hang out all night – what am I to do?

    My girl wants to party all the time
    party all the time
    party all the time!” – Eddie Murphy

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  381. PA

    On a lighter note, I take glorious credit for slaying a race-thread dragon at GirlGame, which came in the form of Obsidian’s first ever comment there.

    Aha – so you’re the instigator in all this. I blame YOU for getting his blood all riled up. I translate the Morehouse Dialect into white, and then you go bragging about how you whipped him on Grrl!Game!.com.

    We don’t need protest marches or boycotts on roissy and any ‘urban unrest’ with TVs liberated from the Korean store down the block.

    Write him a check, apologize, and it will all return to normal.

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  382. Sorry FP. Never developed a taste for all that passive aggressive bullshit, lol. My bad.

    Fedrz,
    Thanks a lot for the very useful information. Now that’s what I’m talking about. Let’s see how many guys are really serious about pulling up stakes…

    The Obsidian

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  383. stephan

    This comment is in relation to firepowers comment about the barn door: In this case I would say that the more proper analogy is that the mooing, fat cows want the barn door to stay closed so that no lovely slim does can enter from the mysterious woods beyond.

    You’re right: the more complex the analogy, the better

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  384. Huh. I agree it’s a bad law, but I figured it was racist immigrant haters who pushed it, not feminists.

    You could be right, though. Or it could be both, for all I know.

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  385. Cannon,
    I know you’re smart enough not to seriously try to compare the entertainment-driven stylings of performance artists to the near daily rants of everyday White guys here and elsewhere, are you? I mean, because if you’re gonna do that, my reply would be that of all the Black Men I know, I can count on one hand the number of them who complain anywhere near to the degree I witness on the regular here.

    So…why are so many White guys, who have nearly every advantage America has to offer, so very angry? Hmm, Cannon? What’s up with that?

    The Obsidian

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  386. To Everyone :

    I just realized something.

    A lot of you spend A LOT of time here arguing continuously about the same two or three subjects.

    I feel that Roosh’s comment on “In Mala Fide” a few days ago sort of makes me wonder about the ‘reality’ of the lives of a lot of flamethrowers here…

    “I’m not against Men’s Rights, but a lot of these blogs are written by guys who have no game and can’t get laid, and serve as just an outlet for being a lifelong sexual loser. It’s like women who get around in their circles to complain about about how men aren’t sensitive or caring enough.”

    Chuck espoused a similar, if not more radical view, stating something along the lines of, ‘any man who is not getting laid on the regular instantly lacks credibility in most matters’.

    [Presumably because their extreme involvement in other matters is a way to over-compensate for their lack of success in the most essential matters of human existence.]

    I’m not going to lie — I’m 21, live in a lackluster situation in a ghetto and work more than anything else, it seems.

    But I do o.k. with women and come here mostly to find out how to do better. Also, I find that Roissy’s views of social-dynamics work very well in other aspects of human interaction and will aid me when I soon enlist in the bureaucratic clusterfuck that is the U.S. military.

    Anyway, I have to ask — Honestly, who here feels credible enough to comment on the myriad matters that we discuss here just based on their status, social and sexual success alone?

    This isn’t a tangent-trap, just an effort to give some folks the benefit of the doubt and separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were.

    It seems more and more, some folks are giving off more heat than light, here…

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  387. Obs:

    Why is this forum, and the “Mansphere” overall, which is made up primarily of White Males at present, so angry and bitter? Even when they have at their fingertips, the tools and means to live richer, fuller lives? How is it possible that the Black guys of these forums, simply don’t have the same tone in their “voices”? What is up with that?

    When you discover the reason why *you* bother to keep asking *this* question, over and over, bringing it up on various blogs, you will have the answer to the above questions.

    Or, to put it another way: WHY ARE YOU SO INTERESTED IN WHAT US WHITE GUYS DO ON THIS BLOG? No law is making you read it. Nothing is stopping you from closing the laptop and DOING something with your time instead of whining on here about something you can’t change.

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  388. Obsidian

    Sorry FP. Never developed a taste for all that passive aggressive bullshit, lol. My bad.

    It’s cool. Not sure I know what them psychological terms mean, but one thing I do know is you’d never get all pass-aggy up in someones grill.

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  389. Ruby,
    What RooshV said was brutally frank and on point, he only left out a very obvious fact-that the bleating is heard most from White guys. Not Black guys, Asian guys, Hispanic guys, Indian guys, or Arab guys-WHITE GUYS.

    And, let’s take it a step further-White Guys, who are highly educated, gainfully employed, in short, White Guys who by any stretch of the imagination, have done well by American standards…far and away better than the aforementioned groups, with the notable exception of Asian guys.

    Add to this, a guy in Roissy who does indeed offer solid Game advice and insight, all the materials on Game available on the Internet, etc et al, and STILL these guys sound downright bitter.

    Add to this that, contrary to popular opinion, racebaiting and the like has been going on well before I came on the scene a little over a year ago. What does that have to do with improving one’s life?

    At some point, one has to look at these things dead on-the problem aint Affirmative Action, Immigration, American White Women’s attitudes or weight problems, Obama or his wife…the problem is these guys’ poor attitudes. That, more than anything else, accounts for their truly shitty station in life despite all the outer trappings of success.

    Like you said, you have a good deal less than a lot of these guys, yet you don’t have one scintilla of the bitterness many of these cats have. And I’ve noticed the same thing wrt the vast majority of Brothas here.

    Why is someone like a Tucker Max lauded among White guys? What is up with that? And why isn’t that same guy highly regarded among Blacks? That’s something that requires real examination.

    To quote Roissy, Game will change you. He’s right-but what he left out is the fact that it can change you for the better, or for the worse. I think this was the point Style was making in his book, and I can honestly say I certainly see it.

    Notice how no one here has actually answered the question, and notice the reaction RooshV got to his highly accurate observation, even while he agrees with the MRAs in spirit.

    Like I said, there is an overall pervasive, “loser” tone here and elsewhere in the Mansphere, and if it isn’t addressed soon, it will threaten to set back all the legitimately good work Roissy and others have done over the past few years.

    The Obsidian

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  390. FP,
    Nope. Scapegoating’s not my bag. If I got beef with someone, I step to THEM. Not someone else, who ain’t got a darned thing to do with it. Scapegoating is weak.

    Tupac,
    I ask the question, and will keep asking it, because like the mountain, ITS THERE. That’s why. Capice? I need to know why, so many White guys, many of whom were born with damn near every advantage under the sun, spends the bulk and mass of their time being bitter, angry and downright mean in a venue that is by its own admission designed to assist guys in one of the most impactful areas of their lives. I need to know, why that is. And I will keep asking, BECAUSE I CAN.

    Any questions?

    The Obsidian

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  391. the bleating

    That’s exactly what I was talking about. Well, the only “bleating” I see on these threads is Obsidian flailing around. Bleating at imaginary “bitter white guys.” Bleating about us, supposedly loser commenters.

    In comparison to Obsidian’s tone and windmill-tilting at imaginary monsters, David Alexander is Iceman.

    I think the calmer black commenters are embarassed by Obsidian’s headless chicken dance.

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  392. Nice try to kill the messenger PA, but the gig is up. We all see it, I’m only the one who’s willing to call it for what it is.

    This site is rife with posts that start out on a completely legit point and then spiral out into all manner of complaint and bitterness-take the whole thing about Black Women. It’s clear that most White guys here claim not to be interested in them, yet how many words has been expended in taking them down? I mean, WTF already-if you don’t like Black Women, why the need to discuss them at all?

    And what does Affirmative Action have to do with picking up chicks?

    Same deal with the fattening of White Women-if that’s the case, why not simply focus on the Women you DO want? Why spend so much time discussing Women you don’t like?

    I’m sorry PA, you just can’t get around the overall vie that RooshV spoke to over at In Mala Fide. And until that’s addressed, all the good work done here and elsewhere won’t amount to shit.

    The Obsidian

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  393. I need to know, why that is. And I will keep asking, BECAUSE I CAN.

    And that’s what many of the folks here are doing — trying to make sense of the world, trying to wake up from the Matrix, and trying to spread the word — BECAUSE THEY CAN.

    Now, will you give it a rest?

    Or will you continue to whine like you accuse the rest of us doing?

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  394. Obsidian

    FP,
    If I got beef with someone, I step to THEM.

    Thanks. That explains a lot

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  395. Obs, I haven’t read RooshV at some other blog and I don’t see why you keep referencing him as an authority on this subject.

    All I am saying is that a deep breath would do you good.

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  396. Hi Anon,
    Nope, no good. These guys aren’t trying to “understand the world”, nor are they trying to “escape the Matrix”, because if they were, they wouldn’t be complaining about shit that don’t have a darned thing to do with improving their lives: fat White Women, Affirmative Action, Michelle Obama, etc, et al. This is a Game blog. What the hell does any of these things have to do with that?

    And this IMBRA deal falls in the same catergory. As I’ve said before I agree in spirit with Roissy, but the truth is, there aint a damn thing he or I can do about it-so, in light of that fact, now what? Well, if what Style and RooshV write are to be believed, the solution is a lot simpler than it seems-nothing’s stopping any guy here from travelling if he wants to. So why aren’t more of us talking about that, instead of complaining about a law none of us can do anything about?

    No, Anon, at some point we have to deal with the gorilla in the middle of the room-why it is so many White guys, who basically have it all, are so very bitter. Sooner or later they’ll have to take a long, hard look in the mirror. Maybe then, that’s when Game will finally sink in.

    Until that Great Gettin’ Up Morning comes though, I’ll keep raising the question that has to be asked.

    Because, I can.

    Wanna take another crack at answering the Burning Question now, hmm?

    The Obsidian

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  397. on October 20, 2009 at 2:19 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Write him a check, apologize, and it will all return to normal.”””

    Obsid is now comical no denyin it. He has jumped the track.
    A check would prob work I’ll chip in because its not that comical since he gets weak whites to say how much he adds to the program. There are a ton of black dudes on site. Not many whine about the white man whining lol

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  398. on October 20, 2009 at 2:25 pm gunslingergregi

    Time to crush.

    I am gonna help a lot of black woman become free.

    Funny shit it is what I was trying to get you to do help your own people. But your to much of a pussy to do it. Plus think the man is holding you down and there is no way you can become better.

    You know the man holding black people down. It is the black man.

    But I guess black woman ain’t one of your problems.

    Now whitey got to again pick up slack for you and teach the woman and kids how it isn’t some white man been holding em back it is a white man that will set them free.

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  399. PA,
    Ruby clearly mentioned where RooshV’s remark was seen; on In Mala Fide, Ferdinand Bardamu’s blog. Hang on I’ll paste in the direct quote.

    As for me needing a deep breath, LOL. I’m not the one complaining about all manner of stuff that has nothing to do with me living a better quality of life.

    So…why are so many White guys so…bitter? Hmm?

    The Obsidian

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  400. Cannon’s Cannon:

    for all the rappers saying how women are bitches and such, we have Ne-Yo and 50 Cent telling women “have a baby by me, be a millionaire.”

    These guys are fucked up.

    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5964133/15516676

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  401. Obsidian
    …at some point we have to deal with the gorilla in the middle of the room

    I agree: it is unpleasant at times, but must be done. I’ve worn out two keyboards

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  402. PA

    Obs, I haven’t read RooshV at some other blog and I don’t see why you keep referencing him as an authority on this subject.

    Damn straight: this isn’t the proper place to praise roosh. That’s what his forum us for.

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  403. So…why are so many White guys so…bitter?

    The only bitter guy here is you. I don’t know which other regular commenters here are bitter. Most come across as funny, and when they write about bad politics or fat women, they’re engaging in something called called Internet Conversation.

    Are you sure your name isn’t Obsessidian?

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  404. Cannon’s Cannon:

    for all the rappers saying how women are bitches and such, we have Ne-Yo and 50 Cent telling women “have a baby by me, be a millionaire.”

    These guys are fucked up.

    http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5964133/15516676

    so they’re saying most women are really bitches and promiscuous hoes or they’re out to have kids by the biggest alpha in a bid to get the most resources.

    how is that different than evo psych or the messages on this blog? seems they were actually ahead of the curve you guys just discovered.

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  405. on October 20, 2009 at 2:58 pm Cannon's Canon

    chuck, wow that is fucked up. 50 cent has surely figured out the best way to chase those kanye-level record sales: appeal to the core mindsets of women and betas.

    i will not resort to such disingenuous tactics to generate web traffic when i launch my blog on october 31st, 2009.

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  406. Joe:

    first, Ne-Yo (besides Eminem) is the most beta hip hop star going.

    second, on the one hand rappers are afraid of having holes poked in their condoms, on the other they are encouraging a woman to have their child so that they’ll be a millionaire. any woman that wants to have a child with me will have to do so without inducement of money, fame, or status. does 50 cent really have to promote his sperm by offering millionaire status?

    i know its just a song and that it doesn’t necessarily indicate 50’s thoughts on the matter, but cannon is right, these guys are just saying what they have to say to sell records. most hip hop revenue is made by selling to chicks and wannabe beta males.

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  407. when a guy aspires to be rich, successful and famous, isn’t it to attract women? that’s what evo psych says, that men are driven to accumulate status and resources to enhance reproductive success with the hottest women, and women get as hot as they can to attract the man with the most resources. and another tool they use is having babies for the biggest alpha dog as a way to continue to get access to those resources.

    the sweet nothings, the words of romance, the soulmate talk, all that is just pretty lies. models aspire to have donald trump’s babies because they want a guaranteed claim on his millions. same for any young hottie who wants to get knocked up by a mogul. 50’s just spitting an ugly truth and being a realist in his negotiation. he’s just not saying it with flowcharts and scientific jargon.

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  408. LOL, PA. You’ve been known to have a meltdown or two, I suppose this is yet another instance. Me, bitter? Yea, that really works.

    The record is here for all to see for themselves. I’m merely pointing it out.

    Anyway, there’s nothing that can be done about IMBRA. For real. Nothing. But that doesn’t mean that a guy can’t travel to meet Women if he wants to.

    Instead of complaining about the former, they instead be discussing the latter, like Fedrz has done.

    Simple as that.

    The Obsidian

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  409. Obsessdian:

    This is a Game blog.

    Really? Where does it say that? Sure, male-female interactions are a central feature of this blog, but there is much, much more here than that. As far as I can tell the sole byline to this place is “Where Pretty Lies Perish”, not “What Obsidian Wants To Talk About”.

    So maybe this is the confusion: you only want to talk about women and seduction techniques, whereas the rest of us here prefer to take a wider view now and then to discuss philosophy, psychology, sociology, history and the future. Hey man, if that aint your bag, it’s cool. There are plenty of other forums (mostly populated by young guys I have to warn you), where you can get NOTHING BUT seduction discussion.

    Have you tried fastseduction.com? How about Roosh’s blog? I know that all the main companies have their own forums: RSD nation, Venusion Arts, Vin De Carlo, etc. If you want more names, just say so and I’ll drop you a list.

    I really think those places would be more to your liking. They focus on one thing — and one thing only — like a laser beam. Some would call that myopic but you won’t hear that from me.

    So…you can go now…

    But something tells me you’re going to stay.

    Now, why is that, O?

    If I have a party at my house and a guest shows up and doesn’t like the music I play or the food I serve, I might make some minor concessions and shuffle the iPod or reach back in the pantry to get him some plain potato chips instead of the rancheros. But, if after all that, he keeps going ON AND ON about how he doesn’t like the party then he can get the fuck out of my house.

    People who make demands which outstrip their authority are called “boorish.” I can think of some other names too.

    No, Anon, at some point we have to deal with the gorilla in the middle of the room-why it is so many White guys, who basically have it all, are so very bitter.

    Who is bitter? How would you know? You’re making an assumption. You painting us here in your own colors. That’s fine but if you’re wondering why the lurking hordes here are not lifting much of a finger to engage you, it’s probably because they don’t think the shoe fits that you’re trying to put on them.

    Why do you think we’re bitter? Because we point out injustice and social decay? Shit, you do that too. You and Whiskey are both on board talking about how womens’ rising education has made it hard for them to find Good Men, and that they are often turning their noses up at Brothas like you while they keep chasing their dream. I’ve seen you note — with glee — how these same women end up alone and crying when their Mr. Right never materializes. In fact, you’ve made note of what a serious social problem this is, ringing the alarm bell about how more and more men will start to disengage and lose all manner of civility towards women, if not outright abuse.

    Gee Obsidian, sounds like someone’s bitter. But no matter, everything you say is true, and it IS something that needs to be understood by other people. But don’t worry, I won’t give you shit for whining about a situation you can’t change. I feel ya, bro.

    Because, I can.

    And we can too. Get used to it.

    Wanna take another crack at answering the Burning Question now, hmm?

    Done and done. Next!

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  410. Joe,
    Completely agreed wrt 50 Cent. I was recently discussing him with a close friend of mine, one of the “conscious” brothas, and I made the point that The Roots, Common and Mos Def combined couldn’t outsell 50. The Man’s been featured in Forbes magazine as the most financially successful rapper behind Jay-Z himself. You don’t become that successful making records folks don’t wanna hear or buy.

    Btw, hve you ever read the book he did w/Robert Greene? If so, what do you think?

    The Obsidian

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  411. chuck, wow that is fucked up. 50 cent has surely figured out the best way to chase those kanye-level record sales: appeal to the core mindsets of women and betas.

    getting the most resources and using them to score hot chicks while openly treating them like a high priced human breeding mares is a lifestyle view that appeals to alphas since the beginning of time. betas are uncomfortable with the mercenary reality of dating relationships and need to sell themselves on pretty lies like “my iq and nice personality are more important than my status” or “i hate golddiggers, i know she loves me for me in spite of my money (or lack of it).” the song is evo psych alpha mindset 101

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  412. Are any of you ever going to stop blowing smoke up this stupid Nigger’s ass and treat him like the fucking moron he is?

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  413. on October 20, 2009 at 3:43 pm Cannon's Canon

    joe:
    you are partly right. however, such an appeal to high status doesn’t work without 50’s high-test thug image. the same message from a country musician would fall on its face.

    so much of 50’s money, present and future (not past) comes from the european market. there, the 18-34 year old males have not been saturated with a musical medium of stylized, high-testosterone violence. 50 enjoys the revelatory status of 2nd generation (90’s) rappers, with the advantages of exclusive market presence and major label marketing money. he is in the right place at the right time.

    like present-day (3rd gen) rap, labels will eventually feminize their product for european export with r&b hooks and crossover sounds. this will increase market share for any one particular artist. in fact, 50 has already succumbed to this ideal with this homo-thug track. europe’s own rappers will be able to more closely mimic this sound, and his global prominence will deteriorate quickly.

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  414. PA is momentarily forgetful about how Obsidian interprets “averages”, “anedoctes”, “totality” and “outliers”.

    example: if segregation is lifted, it is a rational choice for white women to chose black men in a few cases, from their own pov. Example: Sidney Poitier, Denzel Washington, Clarence Thomas. There are very few white guys that could compete with them. I wouldn´t be surprised if the average DC hottie left Roosh and Roissy for them. Those are anedoctes of black sexual superiority. Obsidian considers that in this case anedocte equals “average”.

    the average HBDsphere blog is bitter. That´s a fact and, as far as I know, I was the first here to point that. In a later post I will comment about how I found out out the bitter/loser right. Obsidian concludes that the totality of HBD defenders are bitter.

    Also, he concludes that bitterness/anger can only be rooted in sexual frustration. I, for my part HATE HATE HATE paying taxes. The fact that those taxes largely support a disfunctional underclass that is ugly, dumb, lazy, and prone to crime, makes me even more HATEFUL HATEFUL HATEFUL.

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  415. “I’m on record as heavily agreeing with you on this Puma. It’s a major blindspot of people who want to restrict mating to people with appropriate genes, for the sake of future generations. A blind spot and deaf spot – they can’t see what is about to hit them – a fucking locomotive.”

    Well, I certainly see it coming. The two are not mutually inconsistent.

    Eugenics is a needed transitional approach until the locomotive pulls up. If a fire is burning out of control, you don’t wait for a forecast heavy wind to blow it out.

    “Restricting mating to people with appropriate genes” is easy enough on the social policy level — tie chronic welfarism to verifiable methods of birth control.

    We need to confront NAM vote farming to preserve our liberty and maintain whatever semblance of prosperity we can at this point.

    Cue Obsidian and his HBD-as-sexual-frustration theorizing.

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  416. Tupac,
    No problem wit your questions in the least.

    Why do I come here? Because one, I like expanding my horizons. Black Men, and inner city ones in particular, have a nasty stereotype to fight against-that of the disinterested, illiterate, non-curious guy who’s idea of “reading” is scanning the sports section of the newspaper. I’ve always been curious about the world around me, and been interested in engaging people who don’t look like me. That’s been a lifelong interest, and didn’t start when I ran accross Roissy.

    As for my comments about higher class Black Women: yes, what you said about my previous remarks are indeed true. I don’t deny that. Yet what you leave out is that I’ve not been personally “scarred” by this, to the extent that just about every girlfriend I’ve had, including the one I have presently, have come from said class. I attribute that mainly to my own intelligence, attitude and worldview, along with my unique experiences. I’m not bitter in the least of the Women who for whatever reason didn’t deem me fit to be in their company, if anything I pity them for it was truly their loss.

    I have no problem in the least with discussing the ancillary issues that accompany Game, such as the ones you listed. What bothers me, and I’m not alone here, are the many, many emotions that accompany discussions that, at least on the surface, don’t have a heck of a lot to do with Game or human sexual relations-like Affirmative Action, for example. Or Michelle Obama. One could make a case that fat White Women could factor in here, but there have always been undesirable human beings around, what’s new there? Other than the recurring theme of focusing on them, yet another thing none of us can do a darned thing about, I don’t see it. But it, like the aforementioned recurring themes, it serves a deep emotional and perhaps, psychological purpose for many of you to expend so much energy discussing these and related things. Personally I see it as a waste of time, but apparently you disagree. Which I’m cool with.
    Finally, I think its fair to say that I blame no one for where I am in life. Not only is doing so weak, it doesn’t change anything. If I want a better tomorrow that means I have to make changes today. Its really as simple as that.

    I think my track record speaks for itself.

    The Obsidian

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  417. Joe

    getting the most resources and using them to score hot chicks while openly treating them like a high priced human breeding mares is a lifestyle view that appeals to alphas since the beginning of time. betas are uncomfortable with the mercenary reality of dating relationships and need to sell themselves on pretty lies like “my iq and nice personality are more important than my status” or “i hate golddiggers, i know she loves me for me in spite of my money (or lack of it).” the song is evo psych alpha mindset 101

    I appreciate the cold harsh view, but it’s more shallow than piercing.

    There are many mating strategies. Relying on status alone works. Having access to several at the same time works. I prefer to not be a specialist. I take a Heinlein view on that.

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  418. Some stats on older husband / younger wife
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    25% of US Husbands are 5yrs older

    10% of US Husbands are 10yrs older

    These numbers are huge. I think alot of men are not getting this younger pussy…like 75%!!!

    http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/10/14/realestate/15coug_graphic.html

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  419. Gig,
    The problem I have w/your comments is, YOU DON’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR HATE HATE HATE FOR PAYING TAXES. You mentioned Singapore and Dubai-why not go there? Wouldn’t that solve your problems?

    The Obsidian

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  420. you are partly right. however, such an appeal to high status doesn’t work without 50’s high-test thug image. the same message from a country musician would fall on its face.

    translation: country musicians still buy into pretty lies and need to hide human nature with flattering doublespeak to get laid, gangsta rappers understand ugly truths and can get laid spitting straight up evo psych we all claim to hold in high esteem and discuss on this board.

    sounds good to me.

    so much of 50’s money, present and future (not past) comes from the european market. there, the 18-34 year old males have not been saturated with a musical medium of stylized, high-testosterone violence. 50 enjoys the revelatory status of 2nd generation (90’s) rappers, with the advantages of exclusive market presence and major label marketing money. he is in the right place at the right time.

    like present-day (3rd gen) rap, labels will eventually feminize their product for european export with r&b hooks and crossover sounds. this will increase market share for any one particular artist. in fact, 50 has already succumbed to this ideal with this homo-thug track. europe’s own rappers will be able to more closely mimic this sound, and his global prominence will deteriorate quickly.

    even if you’re right, so what? EVERY artist whose popular at some time gets their sound replaced by another sound at some point. paul mccartney and mick jagger aren’t charting new hits either. how does pointing out that 50 will eventually be replaced by newer artists with a newer sound make him different than any popular artist who ever existed in the history of pop music? how does it disprove that what he expresses in this specific song is evo psych principles distilled to their purest, most basic essence?

    and it’s not a homo thug song, the lyrics are the perfect mix of alpha dog and ltr game.

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  421. joe:

    i guess i’m arguing more to the point that these guys are going to have to pay $20,000 per month *per* kid. They may have the resources now, but what about when their careers are washed up?

    i didn’t intend to go into the moral aspect of their message, but kids already mimic these guys enough. now make it cool to procreate even more than they already have?

    yes, what 50 rapped is evo psych 101, but its completely different than some of the lyrics Cannon cited about rappers thinking women are bitches, skanks, and gold-diggers. perhaps 50 is taking a two-pronged approach: display the most alpha cred and win over the most female fans. Smart play i guess.

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  422. There are many mating strategies. Relying on status alone works. Having access to several at the same time works. I prefer to not be a specialist. I take a Heinlein view on that.

    i 100% agree. and if you listen to the song’s lyrics, 50 does exactly that. if you just focus on the words of the chorus out of context though, it’s easy to think he’s being a specialist and only using status.

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  423. guess i’m arguing more to the point that these guys are going to have to pay $20,000 per month *per* kid. They may have the resources now, but what about when their careers are washed up?

    the song is not about getting every chick he has sex with pregnant though. it’s about getting one specific woman pregnant provided she prove herself worthy.

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  424. A short-cut to understanding the hind-brain of the human female comes by way of contemplating the utter silence coming from the hyper-feminist establishment in Scandinavian Countries in regard to the very common raping of women there by hard-edged Islamic immigrants.
    It is no secret that they dig the idea. They are as if immobilized by gina-tingles as they await their turn.

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  425. on October 20, 2009 at 4:30 pm Cannon's Canon

    Joe: “how does pointing out that 50 will eventually be replaced by newer artists with a newer sound make him different than any popular artist who ever existed in the history of pop music? how does it disprove that what he expresses in this specific song is evo psych principles distilled to their purest, most basic essence?”

    it is not a “new” sound that will replace 50 in europe; it is the feminized refinement of raw alpha male image. rap evolved as pure testosterone expression and has very recently devolved into the most marketable pop culture sound. whiskey would make the same argument that hill street blues and nypd blue have devolved into the csi:ny and ncis formula – that is, thoughtful male, ass-kicking female, wise old boss. it’s the best, broadest, highest-grossing formula, but also bland, unchallenging, and essentially vapid.

    you completely missed my point about country music with regard to this 50 cent message. “what women want” is not in accord with what women say they want. 50 gets gina tingles from his bad boy image. without that, his “evo psych” message of settling down with a provider wins no favor – this is not some pretty lie.

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  426. on October 20, 2009 at 4:48 pm Cannon's Canon

    joe:
    “gangsta rappers understand ugly truths and can get laid spitting straight up evo psych we all claim to hold in high esteem and discuss on this board.

    sounds good to me.”

    it’s exactly like the message of slumdog millionaire, where the hopeless beta loser wins the mil and gets the girl. that’s not evo-psych; it’s a pretty lie. the beta males who consume this message will lose out easily. it’s great marketing toward girls though, financially and as a sexual endorsement.

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  427. A few things to think about:

    – you say “American women know they are a self-absorbed, egotistic, entitled, unfeminine, fatass lot”: but quite often it is a product of culture, thus after the new wife is in the country for like 2-3 years she most likely turns into this type of American thinking

    – if you get a woman from abroad you often have to support her financially as her degrees might not be accepted in the US, depending on the country many women might also expect you to support her family at home financially

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  428. it’s exactly like the message of slumdog millionaire, where the hopeless beta loser wins the mil and gets the girl. that’s not evo-psych; it’s a pretty lie.

    wait—50 cent in that song = the beta in slumdog? cmon, really?

    50 cent is not in the least representing himself in the same way as the protaganist of slumdog millionaire. the slumdog millionaire guy is saying i’ll make you my queen but i’m your subject, please love me. the 50 cent song is using swagger and saying i’ll make you my queen but never forget i’m the king up in here, i’m the prize, i’ll fuck the shit out of you better than anyone you ever had, and i can take it away as quickly as i can give it to you. you know, the same way powerful wealthy alpha royalty, aristocracy and politicians used their status when courting high value women from beginning of time.

    the way 50 is using his status in the song is more henry viii than slumdog.

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  429. YOU DON’T DO ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR HATE HATE HATE FOR PAYING TAXES

    first, how can you be so sure about that?

    second, being in my prime earning years, rellocation for me would greatly diminish my monthly income.

    third, as the general consensus in this blog agrees, girls here are better. I´d say that food, music and weather are the best, also.

    fourth, why exactly should I leave the land which my ancestors settled generations ago? th redistributive/welfarist left won´t last forever. once they manage to destroy a country for good, which could be Holland, Sweden or even a racial war in the US, plus the undeniable and incoveninet truths of HBD, will bury the left around the world. Once the left is gone this country is the best on Earth

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  430. you completely missed my point about country music with regard to this 50 cent message. “what women want” is not in accord with what women say they want.

    so who’s more guilty of catering to what women SAY they want and who’s more guilty of catering to what women REALLY want but would never dare say out of political correctness? the country singer who sings a heartwarming love song and presents a nice guy beta provider image or the alpha thug who displays swagger, openly flaunts his alphas status and resources, and talks up his sexual prowess? provider does not automatically equal beta. there are beta providers, there are alpha providers. 50 in that song is an alpha provider.

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  431. the left is an evil entity that appeared in that Fille AInée de l´Eglise, France, in the XVIII century. By the left I mean that monster taht rejects differences between genders, races and income and flatly denies the existence of God

    There was no leftism in the Roman EMpire, nor in classical Greece, nor in Medieval Europe. Now we are witnessing the final assault by the left against civilization

    the angry, envious, resentful left so common to westerners does not exist in CHina or Japan, and I bet that it´s on her last breaths in Russia. As the left assaults the West and makes him weaker, the rest of the world will look more and more to the stable, prosperous East and the imploding West and ……. guess what?

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  432. Obsidian et al,

    White guys have every reason to be angry and bitter, and to be increasingly so as present trends continue.

    You implore white guys to learn “Game,” take individual action, etc., and while these might help at the margins in the short run, ultimately they’re of little value for the majority of white guys.

    It’s a zero-sum game. There’s a limited supply of status in the world. A few minority of alpha white guys will benefit, but the majority of white guys would be better off under the more traditional pair bonding structures they had been living under for hundreds of years. So white guys are supporting a system that they’re increasingly getting less and less out of. The extractive elite class and incompetent underclass benefit.

    Most white guys would benefit if they seceded from the present arrangement and developed independent communities and societies. The extractive elite class and incompetent underclass would not benefit from this of course. Left to their own devices, blacks as a whole would have lower living standards and would quickly devolve to Africa levels of economic and social standards – maybe Detroit at best. So blacks have an interest in preventing this, and maintaining the status quo.

    In this environment, alphas and those skilled in extractive abilities (high verbal intelligence, skilled in verbal manipulation, cultural production & domination, etc.), along with those who are incompetent yet socially skilled with natural “Game,” are favored and benefit, whereas the more productive, inventive provider types i.e. most white guys are less favored.

    Traditionally, in these kinds of conditions, these groups would venture out to the frontiers where their productive inventiveness and industry would be favored, and indeed necessary for mere survival. They would make the frontiers hospitable and raise their carrying capacities. Eventually, the frontiers would develop enough to invite over the previously dominant elements, and the cycle would repeat itself. Of course at this point in time there are basically no frontiers. Aside from the oceans and space, but these seem far off and likely to be under in the future by powerful, centralized states, rather than independent pioneers.

    Asian guys are also losers in this game and environment, perhaps the biggest ones of all. Though fortunately for them they still have sovereign nation-states back East that are largely independent and under their control.

    As present trends continue, it is possible that it will get much worse if technological advances allow the extractive overclass and incompetent underclass to maintain high economic/tech standards with fewer and fewer sucker betas and potentially none at all with robotics/AI.

    With all this in mind, it’s quite clear that the dominant strategy for most white guys is to secede themselves in various ways from this system and cease supporting something that oppresses them. Though this is very difficult to achieve and increasingly more difficult, because curbs and checks on collective male action, collective white action, collective white male action, etc, have been gradually built into the system, and because the urge or temptation to defect and try to become an Alpha or member of the elite is quite strong despite the low probabilities.

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  433. In Response to Joe :

    Hey! Lay off Country Music!

    Jace Everett, Martina McBride, George Strait, Nancy Sinatra, Lee Hazlewood, Anne Muray, Alison Krauss, Blue Mountain, Cherryholmes, Cadillac Sky, Charlie Daniels Band, The Steeldrivers, etc., are awesome.

    Good country really enhances the easing effects of a crisp autumn day.

    Good country punk [Left Lane Cruiser, Scott H. Biram, etc.] really enhances the adrenaline-jacking effects of a good workout.

    These race discussions really start to detract from the productivity of the forum.

    Neither side is going to concede, so can we move on and agree to disagree?

    I mean, the two perspectives are pretty much locked in :

    “James Watson”-Crowd : Black people are genetically predisposed towards anti-social, self-harming and societally-detrimental behavior. White people as a group have done little to contribute to or detract from the historical conditions of black people domestically and in Africa. Social programs that seek to improve opportunities and conditions for black people in general are a waste of time and only radical fiscal, social or eugenics agendas will “fix” the current state of black people in relation to the Western World.

    “Craig Venter”-Crowd : HBD-proponents, Bio-Cons, So-Cons and White Nationalists here use dubious and fallacious arguments to reinforce their absurd rhetoric about the inherent superiority of whites. They can only support their claims through an unsubstantiated network of half-truth filled websites all devoted towards ideological nepotism, willful ignorance and historical, scientific, anthropological and sociological reconstructionism. They do this because in truth they all realize that their views would not survive even a moment of true academic peer review and they need to overcompensate via dishonest intellectualism and scapegoating for a less-than-ideal real life.

    Whatever. Fuck both sides. The sheer amount of time, thought and energy they put into resculpting and shuffling the same shit at each other makes me think that they ARE overcompensating for knowing they would not be able to cut it on a night out as a Wingman for those who DO contribute here… Roissy, Roosh, The G Manifesto, etc.

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  434. Ruby,

    Whatever. Fuck both sides. The sheer amount of time, thought and energy they put into resculpting and shuffling the same shit at each other makes me think that they ARE overcompensating for knowing they would not be able to cut it on a night out as a Wingman for those who DO contribute here… Roissy, Roosh, The G Manifesto, etc.

    You’re conspicuously omitting out your own position, which is the whole race denial, social construct, equalist, etc., nonsense.

    Honest white guys will admit that most of them “would not be able to cut it on a night out as a Wingman.”

    And honest black guys should admit that most of them would not be able to maintain 1st world economic and social standards, achieve economic and technological progress, etc.

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  435. Ruby –

    i’m not dissing the quality of country music. i like a lot of it. what i’m debating which is more likely to tell a ugly truth about human nature, especially in regards to game. for that i think gangsta rap wins. country music has more pressure to be family friendly and it often tends to extol the virtues of the nice guy beta provider.

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  436. Brewer, if this were such a venue that took up “first world” stuff, than yea, I would have no problem in saying that Black folks have a serious challenge in that regard. As it stands though, this aint that kind of forum. It’s a Game forum. And Ruby’s right, all the shit talking is really cover for most of the guys here being LOSERS in life, just as RooshV said over at In Mala Fide.

    Take Gig’s weak-kneed backpedaling-he talks all this shit and then when his ass is niled to the wall he wals like a bitch. He’s highly educated, he can go anywhere in the world and get a great job, there’s NOTHING holding him back from paying taxes for Black and Brown folk if he don’t want to. He’s an A1 Punk, period, because if he was really ’bout it-’bout it, he’d be on the first thing smokin’ outta Rio or wherever in Brazil he is.

    I’ll say it again: both Roosh and Style didn’t bitch, whine or moan about American Women,

    [editor: what the hell are you talking about?

    and, btw, i approve of roosh’s bitching about american women. they’re very bitch-able. i mean, when you’ve got a FAT JUICY mark, you’d be neglectful not to take the shot.]

    they got their asses on planes and went abroad. And did the damned thing. Period. And both have written about it too! So, no, I really aint tryin to hear it.

    [the reason i mentioned mlk in response to you earlier is because he serves as a great refutation of this idiotic “stop whining” feminist and black dood meme i’m hearing all up the internet’s grill lately. using your logic, mlk could have simply “got on a plane and went abroad” to live in countries that had more favorable civil rights laws, instead of whining incessantly about segregation. but he didn’t do that. he chose to stay in his homeland and try to fix it from within. the same logic applies here. sure, white guys could all head out en masse for the shinier feminine lands of the eastern empire, but instead they choose to FIX THE PROBLEM AT HOME before taking that last step.

    in short, there’s nothing inherently more moral about choosing either option of stay at home and fight or go abroad in flight. both are noble plans of action and both can yield benefits if followed through successfully. so please, obsidian kraken, stop parroting the talking points of the femcunt and farrakhancunt crowd and EXPAND YO HORIZONS.]

    Nor am I trying to hear about guys who can’t cut it-shut the buck up already. If you can’t manage to get laid in these days and times, you either need to address your very real shortcomings, or you need to sitdown and shut up please. All this rap about “saving Western Civ” is really a smokescreen because if all of those of you who tout this line are really serious you wouldn’t be here talking smack, you’d be actually involved in “saving Western Civ”. The end.

    The Obsidian

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  437. wow….tons of shitty, tax-related, politics, racist, jibberish in these posts

    This has the be the worst thread ever on the internet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  438. In Response to Brewer :

    Nothing I can post will convince you of my point.

    Nothing you can post will convince me of yours.

    Lets move on. I doubt flexing our respective debating skills is going to improve the quality of our lives or debase the quality of those whom we each hate.

    I realize the absurdity of all this because I’ve had to do it so many times before.

    I’ve been involved in various gun culture and self-sufficiency culture meetings before.

    I’m usually the only black guy there among at least a few open white nationalists, racialist paleo-cons or even white supremacists.

    And we usually politely talk and get along with each other over meals, skill-shares and firearms.

    If I can jokingly quip about the lack of “visual acuity” [James Watson joke here] of white guys with full-on ‘Blut und Erde’ White Supremacists who are aiming Ruger Mini-14 carbines downrage at a 90-degree angle from me smoothly… Then I can openly realize that a lot of what goes on here is very loser’ish e-go postering without point.

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  439. To Roissy :

    How do you propose we fix the Homeland?

    [editor: let the great culling begin.]

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  440. In Response to Roissy :

    I don’t disagree with some of these sentiments, but I’m forced to wonder — How, if at all, would such a national or worldwide program start and execute without far-reaching social implications?

    [editor: such concerns recede to nothingness once backs are against walls. but if you’re probing for a plan of concrete action, here is the roissy-original 4 point plan to revitalize american vigor:

    1. build a wall along the southern border. guard it with heavy weaponry. round up illegals and their families and forcibly ship them back home. enact an immigration time-out for the next 40 years. when immigration resumes, favor skilled immigrants and favor immigrants from northwest europe.
    2. pull out of iraq and afcrapistan post haste. cut deals. bride the daylights out of the warlords.
    3. end all bailouts. stop feeding the dual headed beast of wall st and penn ave. stop accruing debt. pay down the debt we already have. put a 20 year halt to further government growth in every sector it currently pollutes. scrap socialized healthcare and social security. SS creates a disincentive to save and likely has also created a disincentive to procreate.
    4. raze the entire edifice of liberal social programs and cultural influence based on the lies of blank slatism. this means an end to affirmative action, quotas, multicult policy pipedreams, NCLB, diversity whoremongers, and doomed neocon international adventures to spread the so-so word of democracy.

    sit back and welcome the brave new world. same as the brave old world.]

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  441. Race doesn’t exist, except as a social construct?

    Fine, I say. Let’s say race doesn’t exist and treat everyone equally – based on rigidly formulated cognitive and behavioral standards. After all, there isn’t anything sacrosanct about NAM “culture”, is there?

    Since NAMs are not genetically inferior as far as intelligence, eliminate AA. Blind, fluid g testing with wherever chips fall.

    No whining when outcomes favor some “social constructs” over others.

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  442. In Response to JB :

    I absolutely agree with this.

    SOME CULTURES ARE INHERENTLY SUPERIOR TO OTHERS.

    The reason I disagree with the HBD-Crowd is because they believe that inferior cultures are incapable of being changed for the better due to static genetic makeup and social policy should be created to ‘keep them in their place’… forever.

    Culture, like race, IS a social construct… But one that is pragmatic at its very base rather than ideological.

    Culture exists to transfer successful survival and thriving strategies down a desired line of predecession and to maintain and expand that success in the face of a dangerously ever-dynamic world.

    The activities and views of various sub-cultures and foreign cultures within the domestic sphere and wider Western Civilization matter inasmuch as they are in lock-step with the greater goals of both of these realms. If they fall out of lock-step, then cultural engineering or stronger measures of mitigation should be applied.

    Black culture in the U.S. is at a definite ebb in overall contribution to our nation. It isn’t as bad off as some HBD-advocates would like to think, but it definitely is lagging behind.

    For this reason, I will DEFINITELY agreed some strong measures of cultural engineering need to be applied SOON.

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  443. In Response to Roissy :

    Sounds like a hell of a plan. I’d vote for you.

    Some questions, though —

    [1] I understand your dislike of ‘RaSE Theory’ (Race as Social Engineering Theory).

    I wonder though, how would you explicitly go about translating HBD-theory to domestic policy in such a way that wouldn’t maim the status and relative internal peace of the U.S.?

    [2] I’m strongly against our current military adventures in Southwest Asia, but the reality is that one of the major goals of these campaigns is to regulate and control the petro-product market. If our military did complete a full and timely withdrawal as you wish, how would you deal with the fall-out in fluctuating petroleum prices?

    Furthermore, how would you set the policy to decrease our nation’s dependence on foreign energy sources? Petroleum, natural gas, rare earth metals for special generators, etc.

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  444. @roissy:

    “3. end all bailouts. stop feeding the dual headed beast of wall st and penn ave. stop accruing debt. ”

    If it’s “too big to fail”, it’s too big to exist. Sic Justice/FTC on their ass.

    Stop favoring big business at the expense of small/medium/new companies. Big Business is inherently pro-regulation/anti-competitive. Companies reach an optimal size wrt economies of scale, after which they become a public burden. The fascist notion of propping up employment numbers through crony capitalism giveaways in form of “stimulus” must end.

    @ruby: “The reason I disagree with the HBD-Crowd is because they believe that inferior cultures are incapable of being changed for the better due to static genetic makeup and social policy should be created to ‘keep them in their place’… forever.”

    If that’s their position, I disagree. We should simply do the following:

    1) End g factor denial. Recognize that measuring general cognitive ability accurate is possible. Many tests of fluid intelligence have demonstrated their predictive value.

    2) Insititute color-blind testing for college entrance, jobs, civil service, etc.

    3) As roissy said, “this means an end to affirmative action, quotas, multicult policy pipedreams, NCLB, diversity whoremongers”.

    This country needs to cut the crap already. Stop perpetuating the “social construct” of race through “diversity whoremongering” already!

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  445. He’s an A1 Punk, period, because if he was really ’bout it-’bout it, he’d be on the first thing smokin’ outta Rio or wherever in Brazil he is.

    if you like Roosh so much, go there read what he says about Brazilian women. Rest assured, Brazilian superiority in food, weather, music and soccer is as big as wrt women

    developing countries have much more business opportunities since they lack everything. I can’t make the same money in a place like Dubai or Singapore, where everybody has a cell phone, a car, a credit card. I want to escape from Brazilian taxes, not Brazilian women, and put money in Brazil from an account in the Cayman islands to enjoy economic growth while escaping taxes. unfortunately, I don’t have money in a scale that is enough to avoid taxes by cheating, I’still have to declare what I have outside and pay income taxes whenever my money leaves.

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  446. race is as much as a social construction as the the gravity law

    and culture is not a social construction, but a racial one

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  447. Obsidian wants me to go to Dubai because there are no women there so I’d become someone like Lucifer

    Dubai is a place where your money should go, not you.

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  448. Ruby:

    “I wonder though, how would you explicitly go about translating HBD-theory to domestic policy in such a way that wouldn’t maim the status and relative internal peace of the U.S.?”

    Internal peace is a misnomer.

    Bluntly put, NAMs are paid not to riot, with money and opportunities of non-NAMs, who are seething. The peace is illusory because the non-NAMs haven’t reached boiling point yet — but the temperature is increasing.

    Either way, (whether by instituting HBD-friendly policies or ignoring the interests of non-NAMs) this is going to come to a head in (by my estimation) three to fours years at the latest.

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  449. If race is a social construct, then why are the chances of two black parents producing an Oriental child exactly zero? You’d think with race being a social construct, women all over the world woudl give birth to children of random races.

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  450. Then I can openly realize that a lot of what goes on here is very loser’ish e-go postering without point.

    I already explained that many white guys have every reason to be angry and bitter, and to be increasingly so as present trends continue. It is loserish, because more and more white guys are losers under the current system and will increasingly be so if present trends continue. It isn’t “without point.” I explained the point.

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  451. Culture, like race, IS a social construct… But one that is pragmatic at its very base rather than ideological.

    Culture exists to transfer successful survival and thriving strategies down a desired line of predecession and to maintain and expand that success in the face of a dangerously ever-dynamic world.

    The activities and views of various sub-cultures and foreign cultures within the domestic sphere and wider Western Civilization matter inasmuch as they are in lock-step with the greater goals of both of these realms. If they fall out of lock-step, then cultural engineering or stronger measures of mitigation should be applied.

    For this reason, I will DEFINITELY agreed some strong measures of cultural engineering need to be applied SOON.

    You are utterly hopeless if you can type out such stupid and wrong things with a straight face.

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  452. Gig,
    Bullshit, playa. You put yourself out there, I called your bluff and you caved. Either hole yourself up in one of those gated communities down there in Brazil, or take your ass to Dubai or Singapore-oh, and btw, YOU extolled the virtues of these places, not me, chump. Either shit or get off the pot.

    Read your Richard Florida, guys like you can go anywhere in the world and do well. No excuses, fool. If you’re really serious about not paying taxes which you claim to HATE HATE HATE, you’d move your Brazilian ass to one of those countries YOU said was da bomb taxwise. When I called your bluff, you blinked. Loser.

    Be a Man and make a decision: so long as you stay in Brazil, you WILL pay taxes in large part to support dem Darkies-and if you try any funny stuff and you get caught, Lulu will have your ass locked the f*ck up. Don’t like it? MOVE.

    Otherwise, STFU. Please.

    Do something, Gig. Stop bitching like a Woman.

    The Obsidian

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  453. As for JB, Brewer and Roissy’s “plan”…

    1. We’re not going to do a damned thing about illegal immigration. Do you know why? BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE WANT THE CHEAPASS LABOR, BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT, THAT’S WHY.

    2. HBD isn’t likely to go mainstream, at least not anytime soon. Know why? BECAUSE GOING THAT ROUTE LEAVES A HECK OF A LOT OF WHITE FOLKS OUT IN THE COLD, TOO. TRUTH BE TOLD, LOTS OF REALLY SMART PEOPLE WIND UP HAVING EITHER REALLY DUMB, OR REALLY CRAZY, KIDS THEMSELVES. HBD GOING PUBLIC WOULD PUT THIS INCONVENIENT TRUTH ON BLAST.

    3. Which leads me to the next point: AFFRIMATIVE ACTION WILL NEVER END, BECAUSE WHITE FOLKS BENEFIT MORE FROM IT THAN ANYONE ELSE. WHITE WOMEN ARE THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARIES OF AA. AND AS LONG AS THEY’RE RICH & CONNECTED FOLK, THEY’LL FIND A WAY TO HOOK THEIR LESSER KIDS UP.

    4. On the bank bailouts: didn’t you hear? Banking execs are getting big raises. Suckas…

    5. Social security, Medicare, and the coming Public Option: all done deals. None of em are gonna come to an end anytime soon. We Americans expect to be well taken care of. On the other hand, those of you out there who are really for rugged individualism, I invite you to relinquish any and all claims YOU may have to SS, Medicare and Gov’t subsidized healthcare. Go and be an example of what a rugged individual really looks like.

    Now that we’ve taken care of all that…

    What are any of the guys talking all this smack actually DOING about making their lives better?

    The Obsidian

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  454. “Old men chasing young women: A good thing”

    “It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.”

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  455. Kant, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche were correct to decry the ENTIRETY of the human condition.

    It truly is a pitiful state of affairs.

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  456. A couple of days ago, the New York Times featured a front page article about the war in Aphganistan. The picture they used showed 3 young women soldiers out of 4 on patrol.
    What was the underlying message? It was very simple. The USA is prepared to lose that war because we do not care very much about winning it.
    In WW2 the Russians made it clear that they were willing to expend their young men AND their young young women in order to prevail. They were very serious, in other words. So they beat the Wehrmacht, by and by.
    In the age of Obama, the US shows its face as: 99% of our guys stay at home playing on their computer and we see no problem with sending frail, addled young females into battle under our flag.
    The NYTs was saying, “Hey Tailiban just hang on and we will fold!!! Then you can have your reward!!!”
    Lots of rape fantasies are brewing hot.
    If you disagree make your case.

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  457. Richard Florida!? He’s a bullshit artist. If you’re getting your ideas from Richard Florida it’s no surprise that you say so many stupid things.

    I don’t advocate individual action. Ultimately, it’s a sucker’s game. Like the lottery. Few will win, become Alphas, join the elite. Collective action is necessary.

    BTW, lots of Jews in the Weimar Republic had a similar attitude to yours today.

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  458. on October 20, 2009 at 9:46 pm Conservative Cock

    Biting Beaver: I will unleash my innermost fantasies about you onto this forum.

    I imagine I am with a jackhammer and a hardhat at a construction site in Manhattan, and after sweating from hours of hard labor take a break and sip a Sprite. You, Biting Beaver, walk by in your black high heels and miniskirt. I raise my Sprite toward you and bellow: “Hey!” You ignore me. I put down the Sprite, take off my heavy jacket, and sprint after you. I stop slightly past you and walk briskly along with you, chatting you up about feminist philosophy and the repressions of the patriarchy over my shoulder. You are in shock that you have encountered a manly liberal who shares your ideals and empathizes with women. I number-close you and the days pass by, with you fantasizing about the philosophical construction worker…

    After a date shooting paintball, we head to my humble abode. Once inside, I passionately make out with you, push you against the wall, and start undressing you. You submit to my dominance. I pick you up and lay you on the bed, sucking your tits. You tell me you love it. I work my way down to your inner thighs and tease your pussy lips until you beg me to go inside of you. I look into your eyes and make you taste your own juices.

    I then proceed to thrust into you, at first slowly, then faster and harder. I can feel your pussy clenching with pleasure, moist from the mixture of saliva and your natural lubrication. You then ask me if you can go on top, and I let you ride me. Afterward, I bend you over and have my way with you. You are on your knees and elbows feeling my power and dominance, and I am gliding in and out of you, spanking you and calling you a bitch and a slut. You enjoy it. I then pull out, stand up, and direct you to swallow my load while you are on your knees. You open your mouth, and I shoot into your throat. I then tell you to swallow my load, and you oblige.

    While we cuddle in the spoon position afterward, you confess that no liberal has ever been so sexy and dominant with you. I then tell you it was a ploy to get you in bed.

    ***THE END***

    CONSERVATIVE COCK

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  459. Ruby,

    Are you aware of the things those 3 thinkers said about blacks?

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  460. Brewer,
    If you value “collective action” OK playa-wheres your “army”? What groups have you joined? What have you accomplished with said group(s)? Hmm? Please, do tell!

    As for Florida, Ad Hom is nice but commonsense is better-all he said was that the Creative Class are in a position to pretty much do well anywhere in the world. True or false?

    The Obsidian

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  461. Ob is right that AA benefits whites most of all. Explaining that would take a while so just trust me on this.
    “Public Option??” Will those folks go to a seperate waiting room to be seen after the regular insured folks? Ha Ha
    i am in favor of reform but I strongly doubt that 1 in 10 Americans is mentally prepared for the impact.
    Brutal Rationing will begin Monday Morning. Anyone complaining will be dragged off to the side and clubbed to death. And that is just the first day…

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  462. In Response to Brewer :

    I know that all three had views on race that were common during the Imperialist times they lived in.

    Kant’s infamous quote calls Americans the lowest of all peoples within his ethnic hierarchy. He also recanted his racially hierarchal views during the 1790s.

    I’ll give Schopenhauer to you. He was strongly a racialist. But I love the guy for his views on the futility of asceticism when dealing with “horror vacui”.

    Nietzsche, on the other hand, supported race and culture mixing the best of the best towards a stronger breed of mankind…

    From page 274 in *Daybreak, Nietzsche writes:

    272

    “The purification of the race.— There are probably no pure races but only races that have become pure, even these being extremely rare. What is normal is crossed races, in which, together with a disharmony of physical features (when eye and mouth do not correspond with one another, for example), there must always go a disharmony of habits and value-concepts. (Livingstone heard someone say: “God created white and black men but the Devil created the half-breeds.”) Crossed races always mean at the same time crossed cultures, crossed moralities: they are usually more evil, crueller, more restless. Purity is the final result of countless adaptations, absorptions and secretions, and progress towards purity is evidenced in the fact that the energy available to a race is increasingly restricted to individual selected functions, while previously it was applied to too many and often contradictory things: such a restriction will always seem to be an impoverishment and should be assessed with consideration and caution. In the end, however, if the process of purification is successful, all that energy formerly expended in the struggle of the dissonant qualities with one another will stand at the command of the total organism: which is why races that have become pure have always also become stronger and more beautiful. The Greeks offer us the model of a race and culture that has become pure: and hopefully we shall one day also achieve a pure European race and culture.”

    Beyond Good and Evil, “Peoples and Fatherlands” :

    “As a people made up of the most extraordinary
    mixing and mingling of races, perhaps even with a preponderance
    of the pre-Aryan element as the “people of the centre” in every
    sense of the term, the Germans are more intangible, more ample,
    more contradictory, more unknown, more incalculable, more
    surprising, and even more terrifying than other peoples are to
    themselves:–they escape DEFINITION, and are thereby alone the
    despair of the French.”

    It is clear that Nietzsche favors dynamic pragmatism over static and anachronistic ideologies in the improvement of the human condition.

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  463. Rum,
    Nah, its real easy to explain: its called Nepotism, and in America, White folks of a certain class have always had a thing for it. AA is just another form of it. Real simple.

    The Obsidian

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  464. the Creative Class are in a position to pretty much do well anywhere in the world.

    Yes. Along with the intelligent class, the beautiful class, the charismatic class, etc.

    Hollow tautologies in flowery language have a way of seducing simple minds.

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  465. on October 20, 2009 at 10:18 pm The Fifth Horseman

    My view on HBD is here.

    I think that no races have any IQ differences. The differences in economic performance are entirely due to culture.

    [editor: the evidence says you are wrong.]

    There are 3 types of culture in the world : Advanced, primitive, and wheelbarrow.

    Read about what wheelbarrow means.

    [IQ is just one variable necessitating against importing millions of immigrants from foreign cultures. personality traits are also heritable and vary across population groups.]

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  466. “5. Social security, Medicare, and the coming Public Option: all done deals. None of em are gonna come to an end anytime soon. We Americans expect to be well taken care of.”

    ROFL. Big O, the Voice of America.

    Check those poll numbers, homez. We “Americans” ain’t having it.

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  467. Public Option Health Care{
    Have a big assed killer dyke nurse walk thru the waiting room with a huge stabbing needle full of sedatives. By and by, the floor is covered with sleeping, gasping, semi-voluntary ORGAN DONORS.
    All they feel is some post-op pain. And somewhere a rich chinese guy is smiling.

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  468. In Response to The Fifth Horseman :

    Awesome article. Awesome blog.

    I will bookmark both. Thank you.

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  469. JB the Harris poll I believe is online and looks to be an outlier.

    The average on pollster.com for Obama-Economy for example is much higher. I am guessing there is a strong correlation among approval ratings on various issues.

    Also, whether or not Obama personally is popular, Social Security and Medicare are very popular. The public option is not popular now but I would forecast that it will be popular if and when it passes.

    There is simply very little support for most of the proposals that Roissy outlined, regardless of their intrinsic merit.

    As for myself, while I am sympathetic to Roissy point of view, I think that most of his proposals are practically speaking a bad idea. I especially quibble with strong limitations on immigration.

    I don’t see any viewpoint under which that is the optimal strategy. I can see a STEM based immigration program. I could even see the logic behind, though I would not support, permanent guest worker status so that immigrants do not become citizens. But, I can’t see a complete shutdown.

    On net immigrants are a strong positive for several reasons. The most important is that they help support the US military complex. The cost of the military is invariant to the size of the population and thus a larger population reduces the per person expense.

    Without an increase in population it will be impossible for the US to maintain hegemony and this introduces a fair amount of uncertainty into the future path of world and US growth.

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  470. If you value “collective action” OK playa-wheres your “army”? What groups have you joined? What have you accomplished with said group(s)? Hmm? Please, do tell!

    I never said that I personally was planning, organizing, scheming. No doubt there are groups out there doing so.

    I’m simply arguing that only collective action will be successful. Individual action is ultimately ineffectual for most white guys. It’s a sucker’s game. Like the lottery. Few will win, become Alphas, join the elite.

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  471. It is clear that Nietzsche favors dynamic pragmatism over static and anachronistic ideologies in the improvement of the human condition.

    If there’s anything clear about Nietzsche on the more marginal topics he talks about, it’s that he isn’t very clear and that he’s open to various divergent interpretations.

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  472. on October 20, 2009 at 11:09 pm The Fifth Horseman

    VDare is an incredibly racist site.

    And I say this as someone who actually and routinely defends whites from bogus accusations of racism, and who openly says that whites are generally less racist than any other group.

    But VDare is just garbage. Condemning underperforming minorities is one thing, but condemning high-achieving minorities by creating some narrative of clan-based cronyism among Chinese and Indians is just garbage. Each of these groups are just 1% of the US population. They can’t ‘take over’ Wall Street and Silicon Valley without having merit.

    The links Brewer provided from VDare about how Asians should not be allowed to rise to the top of the private sector in the US is pure, shameful racism, something I *rarely* accuse white people of.

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  473. In Response to Brewer :

    Those quotes seemed clear enough to me in making their points.

    Nietzsche often altered his views based on new revelations and information, as any great philosopher should, but he was nothing if not exact about apocrypha.

    Unfortunately, I agree with you, many idiots… Including Hitler… have picked and chosen obscure statements by Nietzsche to further their views on Transvaluation, Master/Slave Morality and reaching the Overman.

    In Response to Roissy :

    So… I’m predisposed towards significantly lower intelligence than the average white, Asian or Jewish person even though I read classical literature & philosophy and aspire to become a biochemist?

    [editor: i won’t discuss this topic with anyone who doesn’t understand the concept of population means. or: ME ME ME is not an argument.]

    I’m not trying to race-bait you, I just want to know how you explain an ‘outlier’ like me, VK or Obsidian?

    [you just answered your own question.]

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  474. on October 20, 2009 at 11:26 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    The Fifth Horseman:

    “VDare is an incredibly racist site…The links Brewer provided from VDare about how Asians should not be allowed to rise to the top of the private sector in the US is pure, shameful racism, something I *rarely* accuse white people of.”

    Half Sigma once described VDARE as “prole,” which is pretty accurate – the atmosphere there is two degrees from a Klan rally. I stopped reading it a while back because they kept pulling that sort of bullshit. Steve Sailer is the only writer of value there, and frankly, they don’t deserve him.

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  475. In Response to Roissy :

    Semantics is the art and science of conveying information and intent by the most efficient and effective means.

    I’m still learning that discipline. I apologize.

    I guess what I’m ultimately asking is if you believe that the aggregate intelligence and conditions of the mean percentage of blacks are static and unimprovable based on a major genetic predisposition?

    [editor: in the aggregate, largely genetically heritable traits like smarts and looks are mostly unimprovable for all races, though of course some improvement is possible. for instance, an ugly girl can expertly apply makeup or get cosmetic surgery, and a dumb person can surround himself with smart people and study hours each day. in practice, this rarely happens. but individual exceptions do exist. however, when discussing national policy, exceptions are a blind alley apt to bedazzle wishful thinkers who refuse to face up to the reality they loathe.]

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  476. In Response to Roissy :

    I can’t argue with that assessment. In time, mainstream research findings will reveal which perspective is correct and what, if anything, can be done with this knowledge.

    Much obliged for the response.

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  477. Regarding VDare, I agree that a lot of the stuff on there is worthless, with a few exceptions like Sailer.

    What I don’t understand is how they’re always begging for money and then meeting some kind of vague fundraising goal, yet haven’t updated their web design for over 10 years. I don’t see much effort there, just mostly recycling material found on other sites. If you can’t or won’t update your web design in over 10 years, I don’t see how you can be considered to be reaching out the public and getting your ideas out there.

    I’ve heard that Brimelow skims quite a bit off of the donated funds for himself.

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  478. @Roissy

    In the aggregate, largely genetically heritable traits like smarts and looks are mostly unimprovable for all races, though of course some improvement is possible.

    Of course it depends on what you mean by some but by typically definitions this is false.

    Height is hertiable at .9 and has risen dramatically over the last century

    IQ is hertiable at .8+ and has risen dramatically.

    Obesity is hertible at .75+ and has risen dramatically.

    Perhaps more directly relevant, the IQ gap between blacks and whites in America has closed somewhat in the last 30 years, from greater than an SD to less than an SD.

    Moreover even if the phenotype were 100% heritable this does not mean treatments are impossible to develop.

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  479. Karl Smith:

    The public option will be popular after it is crammed down the throat of flyover America? I think you are engaging in some of that community-based reality groupthink that seems to be afflicting a large portion of NAM and SWPL tribes these days.

    If you don’t like Harris, check out the Ras Trust poll —

    http://moelane.com/2009/10/20/the-october-rasmussen-trust-numbers-ten-for-ten/

    Democrats are at 37% on Social Security and 40% on Health Care, while Republicans (who are not for public option) are higher.

    Obviously, Roissy’s prescription is too radical for the herds to swallow now. Who knows where they’ll be in 2010 or 2012 though, after a taste of Obamanation? Things change quickly these days.

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  480. on October 21, 2009 at 1:26 am Conservative Cock

    VDare is prole.

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  481. editor: in the aggregate, largely genetically heritable traits like smarts and looks are mostly unimprovable for all races

    human height is between 90-95% heritable. yet look at how dutch people gained height over the last 150 years to catch up with and surpass the rest of the world until they became the tallest people on earth thanks to environmental and societal changes:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-09-16-dutch-tall_x.htm

    can you explain why factors like height with high heritablity can be proven by recent history to be significantly improvable, yet other factors with high heritability like IQ supposedly are unimprovable?

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  482. i see karl smith already beat me to that point.

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  483. Joe,

    Do you have any reason to believe that the gap between between NAMs and non-NAMs is going to close to insignificance anytime soon?

    If so, please provide your reasoning.

    This “well…it COULD happen!” stuff is rather weak tea.

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  484. JB –

    This “well…it COULD happen!” stuff is rather weak tea.

    not when the argument you are specifically responding to and trying to disprove is “well…it COULDN’T happen!”

    if i have to explain the concept of staying on topic during a simple argument and counterargument to you really have no place bragging about iq.

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  485. furthermore a major tenet of hbd i see over and over again from proponents is the “immutability” of it all, the claim that such gaps not only won’t be closed or narrowed but CAN’T be, regardless of how you change environments, culture and social conditions. so not only is showing it COULD happen not “weak sauce,” it invalidates a HUGE chunk of what hbd proponents espouse.

    i understand you get nervous when someone throws you an argument steve sailer didn’t give you the talking points for in advance and you have to actually think for yourself and prove that superior iq you brag about, but don’t try to move the goalposts now and say that the immutability point is suddenly inconsequential.

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  486. obsidian

    you need guys like me to pay for the non-productive black middle class and the parasitic black underclass

    what will happen is that the whole financial markets will be off-shored and as vibrant America becomes weaker, it won´t be able to blackmail Singapore and Dubai. My money will be there and will invest in Brazil as a foreign investor. Won´t pay taxes here because it will be double taxation.

    When Multicultural AMerica tries to force double taxation to prop its artificial black middle classes and her parasitics underclasses, the land of the free and home of the brave will wake up to the harsh reality of changing power balances on Earth

    Right now no one can tell the American president “shut the fuck up”. But it won´t last for long.

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  487. Hey Joe,

    How about you desist from slaughtering strawmen and provide some actual proof that “changing conditions” works in anything resembling a reasonable time frame (i.e. before W. Civ degrades irrevocably.)

    I don’t get my “talking points” from Steve Sailer so shove your condescension straight up your gaping SWPL poopshoot.

    We don’t have several centuries of intricate social engineering to breed smarter NAMs, and the vagueness of your position wrt to real world constraints betrays the SWPL evasiveness I have come to expect and loathe.

    Cheers…

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  488. Gig,
    LOL, nice try changing the goalposts, Brazilian Boy. YOU were the one who talked all this shit about how much you HATE HATE HATE paying taxes…well, DO SOMETHING about it! Why wait? You’re making more excuses, chump.

    Listen Gig, you claim to be a smart guy-this ain’t hard to figure out:

    If you wanna stay in Brazil, you WILL pay taxes to support the Darkies you claim to HATE HATE HATE, and if you try to weasel out of it, Lula Di Silva WILL have your Lily White ass locked the f*ck up. Capice?

    Now…if you don’t wanna pay taxes to support dem Darkies, you know exactly what you can do, you can move your spineless self to either Singapore or Dubai. True, you won’t be able to get chicks like you’re used to down there in Brazil, who are mixed with African blood (and hence the “Boom-Booms” Brazilian Women are known for), but, as you HATE HATE HATE paying taxes for dem Darkies, it’s a worthy tradeoff, right Gig?

    So, go hop a flight to Asia or the Desert, and dance a gig of joy! You’ll have achieved your stated objective. Oh, and trust me, no Person of Color will lament your or any other HATEFUL White person’s loss. Indeed, we might even celebrate.

    Chump.

    The Obsidian

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  489. Last night as I was watching Anderson Cooper 360, they posted up some of the banking execs who got BONUSES in spite of them wrecking the American economy. ALL OF THEM WERE WHITE MALES. All of them.

    I wonder what HBDers have to say about this? Why is it they never seem to weigh in on the financial crisis-except to blame, once again, Black and Brown folk for taking loans offered them? Well, who made it possible for them to get those loans and mortages in the first place? Who?

    Please explain?

    The Obsidian

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  490. “you need guys like me to pay for the non-productive black middle class and the parasitic black underclass”

    Yes…when Obsidian busts out the Orwellian nanny statism mantra of “Americans want to be taken care off”, this is what he means. I wonder if HE’D move somewhere were the public option fail to pass…HMM…

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  491. Hey, O, you must have missed roissy’s and mine missives at bailouts and crony capitalism respectively above.

    Nice try at deflection, though.

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  492. JB,
    No, I saw what you both said, so we agree. What I was doing was answering the whole of your and his “plan”-IT WON’T WORK, BECAUSE WHITE FOLK WHO LOOK LIKE YOU WANT WHAT WE HAVE.

    Guess you mustve missed that part.

    The Obsidian

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  493. Question for Roissy:

    In your reply to I think it was Ruby, VK’s name was mentioned. Its my understanding that you and he are fairly close, and that he’s even served as your Wingman.

    I don’t know VK-I’ve never talked to him, an only recently visited his website. Yet, based on your comments about Black people generally, and based on what I’ve seen of VK’s website, a goodly number of questions arise for me here.

    From what I’ve seen of VK’s site, where he posts lots of pics of himself and the Women he’s dated or at the least been friendly with, one can only conclude that he is not very fond of Black Women. Otherwise, they’d be featured on the site as well, and from what I’ve seen that doesn’t seem to be the case. For my part, while I recognize VK’s right to associate with whomever he wants, it is hard to put aside the idea that he seems to avoid any appearance of coming off as “too Black”-and hence my question to you.

    It seems that you and VK get on so well, BECAUSE of his apparent “avoidance” of his Black heritage. In other words, and again based on what you’ve said along racial lines in the past, I have a very hard time seeing you and him being cool had he been more “Black” than not. Even T aka Ricky Raw, when he was a regular here, seemed not to come off as “too Black”, ie, he dated and associated with non-Blacks early and often.

    I’m curious as to just how many Black friends you actually have, Roissy, and of those friends, how many of them come a lot closer to VK than Obsidian? And in any event, how do said friends feel about your views about Black folk generally? Do they know at all? What do they say?

    Just very curious. Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  494. I am not changing goal posts. I HATE HATE HATE paying taxes, so I will get my bonus, in one or two years, straight on the Cayman Islands, outside the reach of the local IRS. Yet I fear that Obama will strangle all the Caribbean tax heavens to pay for Prince George´s artificial middle class.

    AMerica, right now, is powerful enough to strangle Dubai and Singapore, but soon enough it won´t be anymore. I need a fine tuning here, so that when Obama goes after Cayman he will have screwed AMerica hard enough for her to be unable to blackmail Dubai and Singapore.

    What I find a crime against humanity is how the white population has less children than it would like to pay for rabbit-like reproduction of blacks. I care about people who are genetically close to me and earn less. They are being screwed. Tax rates here have hit their high, every single tax increase proposal have been soundly defeated even with a president with 80% aproval rate

    I need some Welfare-state collapse so that the welfarist dream would be demoralyzed. Europe and the US are working to make it happen fast

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  495. in spite of them wrecking the American economy. ALL OF THEM WERE WHITE MALES.

    This is the resentful and envious black at its best. Call white men bitter? So deny how much blacks resent and envy whites !!! if not losers like the man-sphere, certainly the Wall Street whites

    The US economy was wrecked by the lowering of credit standards to give credit to NAMs. Since HBD is not the conventional wisdom, how were Financial markets supposed to know that NAMs weren´t as creditworthy as whites? But you underestimate how much financial markets became aware of it. I just tell you that last week two Goldman Sachs heads came here to roadshow and during the lunch and breakfast each one gave to local investors, questions about the wiseness of giving credit to poor people were asked. And not in a PC way. Poor people were explicitly named as blacks and Hispanics

    So the folks at Goldman Sachs are well aware of how they are getting accused for the diversicrats crimes. And they are well aware that Obama is actually a wolf in sheep´s clothing who wants to tax us to pay for welfare of NAMs

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  496. Gig, the main reason why you and other white guys here have problems with Women don’t have a darned thing to do with Black folk, this, that, etc, the reason is becaue YOU’RE A PUNK. Period. If yo cared sooooo much about “your kind” you’d get married to a White Woman and start pumping out babies. If you cared soooo much about your tax money going down a rathole, you’d actually move your ass to a better place to live. All your kind does is talk a lot of shit but in the end you got no heart, no backbone and no balls. Which explains why your Women can’t stand your freakin’ guts, and who can blame em?

    Do yourself a big favor Gig, sit down and shut the fuck up.

    The Obsidian

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  497. In Response to Gig :

    Can you actually reference any statistics or studies that show that the black middle class in the U.S. is employed through government affirmative action edict rather than private industry?

    Why do you assume that the black middle class in the U.S. is intrinsically harmful or a burden?

    Should we remove the ‘socio-fiscal burdens’ that are Government Agents, Soldiers, Firefighters and Cops based on race to complete your plans?

    In Response to JB :

    Your previous words give the impression that you concede that given enough time a socio-ethnic engineering project could succeed in fully assimilating NAMs towards a desired cultural purpose.

    What if such a project wasn’t dependent on time — What if it could depend on raw effectiveness?

    I will go forth as saying that pragmatic purpose and strong incentives beat out tribalistic and hindbrain influenced dispositions 99% of the time.

    I think this fact COULD be applied on a cultural scale, using some of the ideas you’ve previously put forth.

    But such projects would have to be executed with the intent to UNITE and STRENGTHEN the entirety of the U.S. and Western Civilization rather than trying to justify keeping current divisions or making them wider.

    I think these views on our options are what separate Human Bio-Diversity Advocates and Proponents of Critical Cultural Studies.

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  498. guys like PA and Roissy are ignoring how much the crisis changed Financial Markets perspective about reality.

    Unlike Seeking Alpha, who, clouded by his Jewish fear of whites coming after him for a pogrom, more and more people are getting aware that NAMs may not compete with you for your job (like Steve Sailer says, white people face no competition for jobs with NAMs, so they can´t see the harm NAMs do), but will certainly vote for taxes on you.

    also, financial markets are the only place where high incomes are given to UN-PCness and manliness is rewarded.

    @ Obsidian

    bal bla bla You come here to defend you black folks from racists? I come to defend my white folks from redistributive taxation motivated by resentment and envy

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  499. on October 21, 2009 at 9:01 am Seeking Alpha

    @ gig

    That’s why we should keep all unskilled labor illegal. Very few illegal immigrants vote – ACORNs efforts to the contrary.

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  500. on October 21, 2009 at 9:06 am Seeking Alpha

    For my part, while I recognize VK’s right to associate with whomever he wants, it is hard to put aside the idea that he seems to avoid any appearance of coming off as “too Black”-and hence my question to you.

    @ Obsidian

    Is it possible that, like every other young professional DCer, he dates only other young professional DCers, and that a majority of that group are not black?

    In other words its a cultural and socioeconomic thing, not a race thing?

    I know you prefer to view everything threw a racial lens, but consider this before you go disparaging someone you readily admit you know little about.

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  501. Gig, all you try to defend is how much of a gaping, farting asshole you are. Nothing more.

    FACT: All of the banking executives getting big bonuses on TAXPAYER money are WHITE MALES.

    FACT: No Black or Brown person was in a position to signoff on mortages and loans: WHITE MALES did that.

    Question for Gig-do you support the bailouts of big banks? Surely, that’s taxpayer money, right? If so/not, why?

    And stop being a coward, and put your money where your mouth is, you said Dubai and Singapore were ideal places to go for tax purposes, well, how come you ain’t there? Chump.

    The Obsidian

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  502. Gig, the main reason why you and other white guys here have problems with Women

    Part of Obsidian’s headless chicken dance: making stuff up.

    What evidence do you have that either Gig or any other regular commenter here has problems with women?

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  503. Do yourself a big favor Gig, sit down and shut the fuck up.

    I’m picturing Gig already sitting and chuckling at Ob’s antics, and Obs being the one who is standing and flexing and hollering like a punk.

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  504. on October 21, 2009 at 9:11 am Seeking Alpha

    FACT: All of the banking executives getting big bonuses on TAXPAYER money are WHITE MALES.

    FACT: No Black or Brown person was in a position to signoff on mortages and loans: WHITE MALES did that.

    @ Obsidian

    These are both not facts. They’re broad generalizations, but I personally KNOW non-white males that make your facts untrue.

    Are they as evil as their white counterparts or more or less so?

    Or does the color of their skin not effect the morality of their actions?

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  505. PA,
    What evidence do you have that he doesn’t?

    SA,
    I didn’t disparage VK, in fact I affirmed his right to associate with whomever he wanted. Moreover, the DC area is replete with Black professionals. Ask Maurice, he’ll tell you.

    Now-wanna actually take a crack at my question directed to Roissy?

    The Obsidian

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  506. on October 21, 2009 at 9:17 am Seeking Alpha

    @ Obsidian

    it is hard to put aside the idea that he seems to avoid any appearance of coming off as “too Black”

    A black person wouldn’t take that as an insult?

    I think how we would answer your question is that ‘HBD’ and stuff like that is about averages. Factual averages. Individuals deviate.

    So if I was told, you have to hire 10 employees for this new finance company you’re starting. Do you hire random 10 black people, 10 random hispanic people, or 10 random white people, the safe bet is to hire 10 white people. The law of averages says its the best.

    If I was told I could hire whoever I wanted, then their race wouldn’t matter a lick to me (unless they were asshole Uzbeks… fuck those guys).

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  507. SA,
    On another thread, Joe had something to the effect that often, Black PUAs tend to frown on their White counterparts “overthinking” stuff. I can most definitely see their point.

    We don’t have to go through all these contorted exercises, Man. I asked Roissy a simple question, and as you have chosen to take a whack at it, why is it so hard for you to do same? Of course, you can’t speak for the Man, but if you’re gonna answer the question, it ain’t all that hard to do.

    You tried to suggest that VK only deals with DC professionals, though from his website that doesn’t seem to be the case. That doesn’t seem to be a part of his criteria. Indeed, what does seem to be his criteria is that the Women be first and foremost, WHITE. Now that’s cool-again, I’m for complete and total Freedom of Association.

    Even if it was, the truth is that there is a sizable pool of professional Black Women in and around DC. If VK wanted them, he would have them. Based on what I’ve seen of his site, that doesn’t seem to be the case.

    But my question to Roissy was based on his many comments on race. I want to know how he reconciles those views with his friendship with VK, and if said friendship would even be possible with a Black Man who didn’t seem to avoid overt trappings of Blackness. Again, I don’t know VK and have nothing against him personally. Just going by the impression he gives based on his website.

    So…you were saying?

    The Obsidian

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  508. SA,
    Being Black myself, trust me the vast majority of Black folk know exactly what I mean when I made the “too Black” remarks in relation to my observations of VK’s website. It is a topic of much discussion, and hardly anything new. WEB DuBois discussed it a century ago in his immortal work, The Souls Of Black Folk. You may want to review it.

    As for hiring practices via HBD, one need not even go that far-for my part, I fully support a businessman’s right to hire, fire and do business with whomever they want. Provided of course, that they take NO taxpayer funds, abatements, bailouts, setasides, tax breaks, etc, et al. In other words, if you pull your own weight 100% without ANY intervention or assistance of local, state or federal gov’t whatsoever, then I think you should be able to run your business as you see fit. And to that end, there is nothing whatsoever holding any business owner from doing as they wish.

    As for the top banking execs, OK, let’s get a list of the top banks who took bailout funds, and then see who are White Males and who aren’t. Would that be fair?

    The Obsidian

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  509. on October 21, 2009 at 9:56 am Seeking Alpha

    @ Obs

    I was saying… that I already answered your question

    Question: But my question to Roissy was based on his many comments on race. I want to know how he reconciles those views with his friendship with VK

    My Answer: I think how we would answer your question is that ‘HBD’ and stuff like that is about averages. Factual averages. Individuals deviate.

    Granted you asked five different questions in your original post I replied to, but I just picked the first one.

    As for black friends who don’t ‘act black’ if they ‘acted black’ like Obsidian (well first, they’d be obsessed with race and probably not have a lot of conservative white friends), but more importantly they wouldn’t be hanging out in Adams Morgan would they? Selection bias.

    As for how do they feel, I’d guess they probably view this blog as a place of extremes and ignore it.

    As for do they know about it, well VK comments here.

    As for ‘what do they say’ I have no idea. Won’t attempt that one.

    So there, I thoroughly answered every one of your many questions from your typically overly long post (ironic for someone who chides white guys for overthinking).

    I answered it the first time but your inability to keep discussions short and to the point means I had to write an Obs-length post in reply. Please don’t force me to do it again.

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  510. on October 21, 2009 at 9:58 am Seeking Alpha

    As for the top banking execs, OK, let’s get a list of the top banks who took bailout funds, and then see who are White Males and who aren’t. Would that be fair?

    It’d be fair but not possible. If you’re just discussing who runs the companies, then that’s not ‘banking executives getting big bonuses’, since most of the people getting big bonuses are managing directors not listed. And if you want to look at who runs the banks…

    Of the five pre-crisis bulge bracket i-banks, 1 was run by a black guy. That’s 20%. Blacks were overrepresented as CEOs of investment banks.

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  511. on October 21, 2009 at 10:02 am Cannon's Canon

    stanley o’neal was ousted? that’s racist!

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  512. I think how we would answer your question is that ‘HBD’ and stuff like that is about averages. Factual averages. Individuals deviate.

    So if I was told, you have to hire 10 employees for this new finance company you’re starting. Do you hire random 10 black people, 10 random hispanic people, or 10 random white people, the safe bet is to hire 10 white people. The law of averages says its the best.

    this sums up my main concern with HBD. as a thought experiment, your example may be valid, but when, in the real world, are you called upon to make these sorts of decisions based on race alone? there is always context. i can think of very few real life situations where all you have to go on is race. in almost any real decision that a person has to make (eg who to hire, who to date, whether to walk down a desserted street, etc.) there are other factors, like education, socio-economic status, dress, general demeanor, that will trump race in their predictive powers.

    HBDers like to make broad general statements and then applaud themselves for being brave enough to speak the truth. it’s a little like shooting the side of a barn with a shotgun and then applauding your aim.

    all to often, HBD operates in exactly the same manner as black nationalism or any other form of multiculturalism; it let’s individuals sublimate their own identities into some collective ideal. it’s fee-good shit for people with their own personal insecurities.

    if you’re a man, you shuold stand on your own two feet and be judged as a man; not as a black man or a white man or a latin man or whatever.

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  513. @ J R

    I agree. I only mentioned HBD because I was attempting to answer for Roissy. I had never heard the term before I started commenting here and I don’t read anything related to it because – frankly – what could they possibly have to say.

    With that in mind, here’s the practical application: diversity quotas.

    There are plenty of policy advocates who argue that if blacks are X% of the population they should be X% of [insert here]. CEOs. Employees. Senators. Etc. And these people argue that anything less is racism.

    It’s useful to be able to point out that in any skilled position, one would expect them to be underrepresented.

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  514. In Response to Obsidian :

    For once, I have to disagree — Specifically about the objectivity of the “too black/not too black” litmus test applied to VK.

    This seems to smack of the argument that certain racial profiles are deterministically in line with certain cultural traits. [A classic HBD-fallacy.]

    It could be that VK, as either a first or second generation immigrant did not assimilate into the most negative aspects of black American youth culture when being exposed to it.

    It could be that VK, while still able to carry himself with swagger, mainly associated with peoples of other cultures while growing up.

    It could be that VK is extremely intelligent and has actively avoided the realm of losers that is ‘bAyc’.

    It could be a lot of things.

    I myself grew up in the rural South and urban California intermittently and was simply exposed to more rural conservative blacks, whites, Hispanics and Asians than inner city blacks. My parents even admit planning it this way to avoid being drawn to and falling into the same inner-city shitholes that they grew up in.

    Because of my upbringing and cultural exposure I don’t really “act black”.
    I dress pretty simply — Preferring Carrharts, Dickies, Columbia Sportswear or 5.11 Tactical over bombastic urban clothing.
    I can’t dance to hip-hop very well, but by the Gutbucket I can step to the blues so damn well as to make R.L. Burnside holler from his grave.
    I can’t play sports very well, but I can a carbine rifle pretty damn well at 100 yards. [I’m working my way up to the 500 yard “Rifleman Challenge”.]

    So yeah, it could just be that VK doesn’t act like the sort of people that Roissy would like to be intensely disassociated from and rather, acts like a friend who he enjoys hanging out with.

    Like I’ve said before and I will continue to say to all bio-dterministic HBD-Advocates : Shared purpose conquers static ideology and genetic predisposition.

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  515. H-B-D…eeeasy as 1-2-3…

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  516. SA,
    No one “forced” you to do anything, reply to my question which was directed to Roissy in the first place, nor to engage in a lengthy dialogue. You made that choice. Take personal responsibility.

    Second, I said that I saw Anderson Cooper last night, which showed the names and faces of top banking execs who got big bonuses; these same execs were connected to banks who took bailout money, ie, taxpayer funded welfare. All of them were White. Now, I mentioned that because there are some who wish to lay the blame of the current meltdown solely at the feet of “NAMs” when in truth, none of them could have made the loans and mortages possible to acquire in the first place. Yet there seems little interest in discussing who was truly responsible for the crisis to begin with-which are, White Males.

    Third, I’m not from DC, so I’m not very familiar with the Adams Morga district. Please explain? What I was asking Roissy (and I do hope he responds in detail) was about his friendship with someone who is Black but seems, based on his website, to avoid overt shows of “Blackness”. And how he reconciles his friendship with a Black person in the light of his stated views racially.

    Lastly, I like to write. If you don’t like what I have to say, don’t read it. Problem. Solved.

    The Obsidian

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  517. Lastly, I like to write. If you don’t like what I have to say, don’t read it. Problem. Solved.

    I’m sure you’ve noticed my criticism is a common one of your writing. A lot of people enjoy your contributions even if they disagree with your views. Your discussions on this forum could be a lot more productive if you learned to edit yourself.

    There’s no need to take constructive criticism so personally. Or to end your posts with feminine snarks like ‘Hmmm’ or ‘You were saying…’. It takes away from the quality of your writing.

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  518. SA,
    LOL. If I cared about your advice, constructive or otherwise, I’d ask you for it. You of all people should know better to attempt to foist “advice” on others unsolicited.

    Hmm.

    Anyway…

    The Obsidian

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  519. fuck, PA, I was going to say exactly that. Not only I work siting, but when I write in this blog, I do write in silence. I was so overwhelmed by Obs that I followed his command before he even made them !!

    Obs, so I am a carbon copy of David Alexander. I confess. Now that you have rejoiced in my sexual failure, how exactly this changes the evil character of redistributive taxation, base on the POV of tax-payers?

    considering that at the root of the prblem was government enforcement of lowering credit standards, the Big Banks were indeed victims of bad regulation. The State owned them stuff, in a way. Also, the consequences of the collapse of JP Morgan would not be restricted to its executives.

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  520. At least that was a pithy response, buddy. I’m glad you took the advice to heart even if you’re too proud to admit it.

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  521. SA,
    Nah, you guys do all that pithy stuff. I’m just interested in telling it like it is.

    Instead of playing armchair literary critic, why don’t you actually try to respond to that which is written…or move on to something else? Hmm?

    The Obsidian

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  522. Obs the Hmmer

    Brevity and truth are not mutually exclusive.

    ‘That which is written’ covers a whole lot Obs. Give a one or two sentence reference to something written previously and I’ll happily respond.

    I’m here for the debate, and am trying to facilitate it.

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  523. There are plenty of policy advocates who argue that if blacks are X% of the population they should be X% of [insert here].

    then those people are morons with a very poor understanding of the real world. there is, however, no reason to compound their error.

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  524. Couldn’t agree more JR

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  525. Maybe R likes VK for making the most of his natural gifts and having the independence of mind to not feel beholden to some specious notion of “keepin’ it real” (or “black” as the case may be).

    Sometimes the crab manages to climb out of the bucket even when his brothers are clawing at him to join them down at the bottom.

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  526. Gig,
    Glad to see we could finally come to an understanding. You and Dave Alex are indeed more similar than it would seem. Neither of you intend to really make any real change in your life, despite all your bleating to the contrary. Both are pathetic.

    My point about the banking situation is again: the main actors here aren’t the folk you, Gig, love to hate, they’re folk who a lot closer to you than me. Where’s your contempt now? Or is it OK because they just happen to be White and for the most part, Male? Gotta be consistent, buddy. If you HATE HATE HATE paying taxes, then you should be hopping mad right now and making reservations for a one way ticket to Dubai or Singapore as we speak, because the banks are getting over like a fat rat in a cheese factory. Really.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  527. @ obs:

    usually, i am somewhat in your corner. you get a lot of flak for bringing up race when there’s an obvious racial undercurrent at work here anyway. that said, in this case i’m not sure how insightful your comments are. characterizing blacks who don’t fit the mold as lacking “blackness” doesn’t do much to break down stereotypes, and, in fact, i think you’re just feeding material straight to the HBD crowd.

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  528. Tupac, nice try, but if you will kinly recall, I clearly stated above, that the “debate” is nothing new in Black America; DuBois wrote about it a century ago. Please review it if you haven’t already.

    Also: can it be possible to “actualize oneself” and still be connected to one’s roots-in this case, choosing to date Black Women. And by that, I mean Black Women who look closer to Jennifer Hudson, not Jennifer Lopez? I say, YES. You may have a differing view. If so, I’d welcome the chance to hear it.

    At any rate, all any of us are saying here is mere speculation, until Roissy answers in his own words. But I thank you nevertheless for your interest.

    The Obsidian

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  529. JR,
    Thank you for your interest. However, it must be said that I have no problem with VK’s choice of mate(s) and have said as much several times now. I am a full and absolute advocate of the Right to Freedom of Association, which lay at the base of this thread, by the way. I affirm and will fight for VK to date whom he wishes. That is not in dispute.

    What I was questioning Roissy about, was his friendship with a Man who, on the basis of his website, seems to “downplay” his Blackness. As we have all pretty much agreed to here in this forum, who one mates with is indeed a powerfl commentary to the world, a statement, about who they are. It would be different if VK had a more comprehensive display of the Women he dated, which included clearly Black looking Women on his site; from what I saw, and I wil say right now that I have no problem apologizing to him publically if I am wrong on this note, I don’t see that on his site. One even gets an “OJ” sense about him, again, based on his website.

    So, my question to Roissy is, whether he could be friends with a Brotha who actualized himself, but still liked the Jennifer Hudsons of the world, and if so, he would he then reconcile his oft-stated HBD views? And whether VK knows about this, and what he thinks? Etc.

    Lastly, I’d like to say, that I find it interesting that the ONLY time “race” becomes a problem here is when I decide to say something about it. As we all know by now, race has been discussed, often in the most disgusting of ways, long before I came along. Funny that.

    The Obsidian

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  530. To Obsidian :

    I replied to your recent statements a few posts up. [I had to wait for moderation.]

    In any way, I have to agree with J R on this one… Winning this particular argument is going to be a full on double-edged Catch-22 Pyrrhic Victory.

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  531. Ruby,
    Looking forward to seeing what you have to say. In the meantime, who said I was fighting for a “victory”? Or that I was “fighting” at all? Last time I heard, Freedom of Speech was in full effect. I’m just adding my big mouth to the cacophony, LOL.

    The Obsidian

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  532. [editor:]

    …there’s nothing inherently more moral about choosing either option of stay at home and fight or go abroad in flight. both are noble plans of action and both can yield benefits if followed through successfully. so please, obsidian kraken, stop parroting the talking points of the femcunt and farrakhancunt crowd and EXPAND YO HORIZONS.

    I gotta disagree ed. The success of spurring white flight has been used successfully for decades (in microcosm) on blocks, neighborhoods and then, entire cities. Look at Detroit.

    Obsidian is correctly predicting replication of these results as the next stage in the macrocosm – where white flight from the entire country is the progressive endgame.

    “there goes the country!”

    just sayin’

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  533. Ruby,
    OK, just saw your thoughts on my VK website observations.

    I agree with you, there’s a lot that we really don’t know about the Man. That said, his website is something that we can and should make at least *some* judgments about. Afterall, its not only something of his own creation, but we have to conclude that what we see is that which he wants us to see.

    So if its something that’s offbase here, he can easily clear that up if he chooses to do so. In the meantime, I don’t see anything wrong going on what we have to make some judgments.

    I laughed when I read your part about “loud” urban clothing. Much of it is the very same stuff you claimed to like wearing yourself. The North Face is a brand that is just as ubiquitous in SoHo as it is in Harlem or the Bronx. Carhart? Dickies? Come on. Homies wear that all the time. In fact, clothing lines like State Property and Roc-A-Wear are based in large part on the aforementioned apparell, which is undeniably blue collar.

    As for playing sports, yup, it carries hige cache in the Black community, but so too does being musically gifted, or in some other way being artistically gifted. That said, I don’t see a problem at all with a Brotha or for that matter a Sista who is BOTH a part of the hood AND who is urbane and sophisticated. There is and always has been, room for both. It’s always been the story of my life.

    Anyway, going back to VK, my point is, that based on his website, it seems that he attempts to downplay overt shows of Blackness; if he had say, more Jennifer Hudson or Scarlett type Women featured on his site, would he and Roissy be as tight? That’s one of the questions I have for Roissy, and am hoping that he’ll respond soon.

    Nor do I buy into the implicit argument, that for a Black Man to like such Women as listed above, that they are somehow “less than”.

    Anyway, good post. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    The Obsidian

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  534. In Response to Obsidian :

    Actually, I just realized that I demonstrated a fallacy by applying the same anti-utility scale of “blackness” to myself that was originally applied to VK.

    I’m just trying to state that these examples are a highly subjective and dangerous judgement of “blackness” and that such a scale is dubious in itself.

    Yeah, I suppose we can agree to disagree.

    My main focus is to disrupt the Black/White-racial-blame dichotomy employed by many pundits here and to employ transvaluation towards a mutual purpose and goal.

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  535. Obsidian,

    Are you unable to read, or are you just willfully ignoring what people have already written?

    I specifically said that BOTH the extractive elite class/Alphas and incompetent underclass benefit.

    There is a distinction between wealth and income. For all the talk about “taxing the wealthy,” the political rhetoric and reality is that the “wealthy” in this case are medium to upper level income generators, not the wealthy (i.e. those with large net assets).

    The rent-seeking extractive elite class that possesses wealth is basically subsidized by the broader income generating middle class for the fundamental purpose of government, the protection of property rights. Among other ways.

    The incompetent underclass is supported by transfers, public sector “employment,” etc.

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  536. on October 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm Biting Beaver

    Andrew Sullivan captures my thoughts on this perfectly:

    I cant do it more justice than to quote it here:

    [editor: andrew sullivan is a hysterical tard.]

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  537. My main focus is to disrupt the Black/White-racial-blame dichotomy employed by many pundits here and to employ transvaluation towards a mutual purpose and goal.

    Our social engineers and elites have been trying to move us “towards a mutual purpose and goal” against our wills for decades now. And they no doubt will keep trying to do so, and try to expand “us” to encompass the entire globe and impose a hegemonic global monoculture and rule.

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  538. PA

    That bills become more popular once they become laws is not a revolutionary observation. There is a significant subset of the population that do not understand or care to understand any issues and simply support the status quo unless it has become unbearable.

    Given that the public plan will likely affect a small percentage of the population its popularity is almost certain to rise if it becomes law, regardless of whether its effects are good or bad.

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  539. ob:
    Anyway, going back to VK, my point is, that based on his website, it seems that he attempts to downplay overt shows of Blackness; if he had say, more Jennifer Hudson or Scarlett type Women featured on his site, would he and Roissy be as tight? That’s one of the questions I have for Roissy, and am hoping that he’ll respond soon.

    this is an odd question. why would it matter to me what kinds of women vk likes?

    Nor do I buy into the implicit argument, that for a Black Man to like such Women as listed above, that they are somehow “less than”.

    another odd claim. who is saying that a sexual preference is morally loaded? again, who cares who gets you off beside yourself? if, let’s say, i make the observation that black guys like their women chubbier, that doesn’t mean that i think they’re “less than”.

    sometimes i wonder if you just spin these conundrums as you go along to spur ten paragraph exegeses.

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  540. ob:
    One of them is wrt the racial thing: again, there have been many times when folks have been allowed to say all manner of things about Black people that weren’t challenged. Only when I and a few others came along to speak to that, there’s all this “Kraken” talk.

    dude, you challenge just about every single comment that even so much as whispers the word black. martyr, please!

    as for the kraken talk, don’t read into it too deeply. ever see ‘clash of the titans’? it’s a cult classic. i just thought the image of you as a mighty kraken rising from the sea to answer all comers when race is mentioned was kinda funny. it’s an amusing visual, that’s all.

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  541. obsidian kraken:
    What I was questioning Roissy about, was his friendship with a Man who, on the basis of his website, seems to “downplay” his Blackness.

    vk doesn’t strike me as someone downplaying his “blackness”, but then i have to ask how you define blackness. vk is an immigrant from, what i surmise, a fairly well-to-do upper class family in nigeria. his outlook on life and his values are going to be different than the typical black guy who was born and raised in the US.
    his sister, btw, is smoking hot.

    As we have all pretty much agreed to here in this forum, who one mates with is indeed a powerfl commentary to the world, a statement, about who they are. It would be different if VK had a more comprehensive display of the Women he dated, which included clearly Black looking Women on his site; from what I saw, and I wil say right now that I have no problem apologizing to him publically if I am wrong on this note, I don’t see that on his site. One even gets an “OJ” sense about him, again, based on his website.

    maybe i missed an important segue to this conversation, but why do you care what types of women he dates?

    So, my question to Roissy is, whether he could be friends with a Brotha who actualized himself, but still liked the Jennifer Hudsons of the world, and if so, he would he then reconcile his oft-stated HBD views? And whether VK knows about this, and what he thinks? Etc.

    there’s nothing complicated about it. i treat everyone i meet socially as an individual, and go from there.
    people with heavy ideological baggage have this strange belief that a person can’t hold two seemingly divergent thoughts in his head at once, but the brain is a very versatile and flexible machine. my views on human nature and population group differences don’t interfere with my views about people i meet personally. i can think in both perspectives simultaneously. it’s quite a simple trick for me to, say, believe as a national policy matter and cultural matter that a wall should be built along the mexican border and all illegals kicked out, while at the same time enjoying the company of latino friends and greeting the cleaning lady with a smile every day.
    i just don’t sweat bullets about it, ya know?

    Lastly, I’d like to say, that I find it interesting that the ONLY time “race” becomes a problem here is when I decide to say something about it. As we all know by now, race has been discussed, often in the most disgusting of ways, long before I came along. Funny that.

    dude, srsly? the race stuff didn’t take off until you joined the discussion. it’s been 999 channels of race since you showed up.

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  542. Obsidian

    SA,
    LOL. If I cared about your advice, constructive or otherwise, I’d ask you for it. You of all people should know better to attempt to foist “advice” on others unsolicited.

    Was that really you Obs, or someone trying to satirize your lack of introspection? Either way, dead on! Obs does satirize himself. What a character.

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  543. on October 22, 2009 at 2:45 am levi johnston

    Damn what a drooling retard gig is.

    Invest in the Sensex and Dubai as a hedge against the West? The Saudis are a strong, powerful nation being harassed (as opposed to protected) by the US?

    bwahahah I hope these are phony investment ‘tips’ to screw over ‘bitter’ HBDers. I haven’t read any of his comments, but no way obsidian comes off as dumber than that.

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  544. And here I thought the “Kraken” comment was referring to Obsidian’s expert ability to write waterfalls of paragraphs concerning race, engaging multiple commenters with his many tentacles all at once, never relenting, never letting go, until the whole happy blog ship was drowned in his Muslim concerns.

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  545. on October 22, 2009 at 5:53 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Rum
    A couple of days ago, the New York Times featured a front page article about the war in Aphganistan. The picture they used showed 3 young women soldiers out of 4 on patrol.
    What was the underlying message? It was very simple. The USA is prepared to lose that war because we do not care very much about winning it.
    In WW2 the Russians made it clear that they were willing to expend their young men AND their young young women in order to prevail. They were very serious, in other words. So they beat the Wehrmacht, by and by.
    In the age of Obama, the US shows its face as: 99% of our guys stay at home playing on their computer and we see no problem with sending frail, addled young females into battle under our flag.
    The NYTs was saying, “Hey Tailiban just hang on and we will fold!!! Then you can have your reward!!!”
    Lots of rape fantasies are brewing hot.
    If you disagree make your case.
    ”””””””

    Naa Rum that is an illusion. The guys going outside the wire to fight in the cities and patrol are like 99.9999 white male.

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  546. on October 22, 2009 at 5:55 am gunslingergregi

    Just like when I saw them doing a photo op of a female helicopter pilot. Again though 99.999 white male. Working mad hours getting people around.

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  547. on October 22, 2009 at 5:59 am gunslingergregi

    I see obs had the balls to fuck with gig but no response on black men holding black woman down. White men need to start adopting black woman. I mean have your regular life and all but take one under your wing to help them grow from dependancy to independancy. Plus they make the bed clean the house and cook. It can be win win.

    I had an american chick feed me hole meal by hand at the resteraunt. I guess it doesn’t matter where they come from you can have them do anything. Just by offering up a challenge he he he

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  548. on October 22, 2009 at 6:07 am gunslingergregi

    ””””’Ruby,
    So… I’m predisposed towards significantly lower intelligence than the average white, Asian or Jewish person even though I read classical literature & philosophy and aspire to become a biochemist?

    [editor: i won’t discuss this topic with anyone who doesn’t understand the concept of population means. or: ME ME ME is not an argument.]

    I’m not trying to race-bait you, I just want to know how you explain an ‘outlier’ like me, VK or Obsidian?
    ””””””

    Being a biochemist or reading classic literature and philosophy does not make you smart. What ideas of your own have you come up with? How can you beat the game of life? It is not being a slave to biochemistry.

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  549. on October 22, 2009 at 6:17 am gunslingergregi

    ””” All your kind does is talk a lot of shit but in the end you got no heart, no backbone and no balls. Which explains why your Women can’t stand your freakin’ guts, and who can blame em?”””’

    That is pretty funny when it takes 5 blacks to beat down one white man as you have said before even you have been fought by muliple people. Yea why do blacks need to fight 5 on one?

    I think you are doing a lot of projection on whites of what black woman think of black men though. The woman know they are being held back by the black men and it pisses em off. Hence they raise there black males to be maids. Why black males have no problem going out in blaze over 20 bucks they have nothing to live for for real. When life at home is being a black chicks bitch because that is all they have to offer. They are not raised to be men they are raised to be woman. Poor bastards and the cycle continues.

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  550. on October 22, 2009 at 6:20 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Tupac Chopra
    Sometimes the crab manages to climb out of the bucket even when his brothers are clawing at him to join them down at the bottom.
    ”””””””

    This is the crux of problem it takes a lot of balls to climb out of the bucket and all the education in the world ain’t gonna help you. You don’t even need to be that smart you just have to do it.

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  551. on October 22, 2009 at 6:23 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Ruby
    To Obsidian :

    I replied to your recent statements a few posts up. [I had to wait for moderation.]

    In any way, I have to agree with J R on this one… Winning this particular argument is going to be a full on double-edged Catch-22 Pyrrhic Victory.
    ””””””

    White black or yellow the only way to win is to be free. Everything else is bullshit.

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  552. on October 22, 2009 at 6:25 am gunslingergregi

    ””’There is a distinction between wealth and income. For all the talk about “taxing the wealthy,” the political rhetoric and reality is that the “wealthy” in this case are medium to upper level income generators, not the wealthy (i.e. those with large net assets).””””

    Would you say a person was wealthy if they made 10k a month and had all their time free.

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  553. on October 22, 2009 at 6:34 am gunslingergregi

    Back to imbra because it does affect freedom and is like the seat belt laws once ya start forcing people to do little things against their will it opens the door to become bigger and bigger bites of freedom.

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  554. IMBRA is cool.

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  555. Roissy,
    OK, just scrolled up and saw your comments. Coolbeans. We agree to disagree.

    Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  556. […] random comment I made on the blog In Mala Fide has made the rounds a bit. It was in reference to the “Men’s Rights” blogs and forums that I notice popping […]

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  557. I think since this discussion is supposed to be about IMBRA, I will talk about this fascist law that had to be sneaked in because it failed to pass several times before on it’s own.

    Layli Miller-Muro of the Iranian Bahai Cult feminist group Tahirih Justice Center was the leading force behind IMBRA. She helped draft it, she propagandized it and lobbied to get it sneaked in. Google “Layli Miller-Muro IMBRA Bahai , see what you get and prepare to puke and open your eyes.

    Never heard of her and her Bahai Faith (an Iranian religious Cult which believes the image of God as a man is sexist and the proper image is that of an Iranian woman?) You knew that the Bahais plan on taking over the World via their Bahai New World Order? (google it for an eye opener.) You knew that Layli’s Bahai Faith Tahirih Justice Center in Northern Virginia (hub for terrorist cells) is a front for the Bahai Faith in order to funnel money to the faith – not just any money – U.S. TAXPAYER money! That’s right. Layli gets $1.5 million dollars of your hard earned tax dollars a year to “protect women” by passing laws like IMBRA to keep them in their home countries where they will be safe from American men or as Layli calls them – are you ready for this? – “Premeditated torturers, serial rapists and pedophiles” to quote Layli as these are the exact words she used to drum up hysteria among feminists to support IMBRA. That description is what she used to describe ALL American men who like foreign women. That is just some of the downright lies and “facts and stats” she pulled out of her fat Bahai ass so she could get tax dollars.

    There is a website dedicated to getting this insane un-Constitutional and Un-American Iranian Bahai law shoved back up Layli fat ass where it belongs. Please check it out and feel free to vent your thoughts and ideas.

    http://online-dating-rights.com/

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  558. The Tahirih Justice center, a non profit charity was instrumental in getting the law passed, by leading some 200 organizations over a long grueling campaign to regulate Internet dating sites. But in order to get support for the controversial law the Executive Director (Layli Miller-Muro) provided incendiary statements that American men who date foreign women.. “many are premeditated torturers”, an obviously a false statement. Tahirih then partnered with Lifetime TV shortly before the law was passed staging a media frenzy on the topic of “Trafficking of Women” and creating the illusion that International matchmaking somehow constitutes sex trafficking despite the fact that the promoters of the law knew there was no connection.

    During Tahirih’s 4 year crusade to regulate International dating sites they (appeared to have)violated IRS tax provisions for non profit charities by concealing practically all their lobbying efforts while they were pushing a number of legislative issues at the state and Federal level. While an IRS complaint has been submitted to the IRS to address this particular issue, the integrity of the Tahirih Justice Center and their pet project, the IMBRA law are under vicious attack and probably good reason.

    IMBRA, a romance law that regulates communication over international boundaries between consenting adults, should be repealed.

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  559. on November 22, 2009 at 7:45 pm Delphi_Programmer

    The International Marriage Broker Act presumes that certain introduction sites providing “personals ads” are somehow selling brides to western men for profit, and arranging their marriages.

    Google “mail order bride” or a related topic, and see the plethora of research papers, reports, articles and law journals that discuss “mail order brides”. These papers are full of lies, propaganda, hate, and vicious attacks on men who choose to seek companionship overseas. Men who marry foreign women are labeled as “consumer-husbands”, “sex tourists” and “human traffickers” and their wives “purchased brides” and “trafficked victims”. Trumped up statistical claims that abuse rates of American-foreign marriages are 3 times the national abuse rate are promoted, but actual data is never cited.

    All of the authors of these egregious papers are pushing to either eradicate international dating services, or ban them by law. IMBRA is only a first step, and many feminists are unhappy because they don’t feel it goes far enough. They won’t be happy until every introduction between a man and a woman is like meeting through eHarmony or your local singles bar.

    All this fuss over people meeting through what amounts to the personals ad column in your Sunday newspaper! What is it about an international border that makes the innocuous act of meeting someone through an ad something dark, sinister and evil?

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  560. […] to defend it was to protect foreign women from violence inflicted on them by American men, despite the lack of evidence proving or disproving this factoid. I estimate that when the sexbot opposition organizes, feminists will use the exact same arguments […]

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  561. ***“Men’s Rights” Has Become A Euphemism For “Sexual Loser”***

    And “women’s rights” is a euphemism for loser at life!

    Really! We’re trying to have a serious discussion about the rights of all citizens in a free country to seek their happiness wherever and however they find it, and you resort to mud slinging and name calling. How mature!

    Where in the constitution does the government have the right to decide for you whom you are and not allowed to date or marry? And by the way, sanctions on international marriage affect women as much as they do men. While not as widely practiced, women meeting and marrying foreign men does happen and has brought happiness to many people. I know one such person. Who’s to say that “shutting down the mail order bride business”, as you like to chant in your march against men, won’t come and bite you in the ass when you find yourself in love with someone from, say, Britain or France?

    I’m all for promoting the rights of men OR women, as long as promoting those rights doesn’t take away the rights of other people living in a free society. It goes both ways.

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  562. The International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005 was the “pet project” of the Tahirih Justice Center who spearheaded the idea to regulate international dating sites back in 2002. The Tahirih Justice Center was responsible for drafting their pet project-IMBRA, then promoted their one-sided agenda for their own financial gain while carefully concealing this from the IRS. In the process they violated IRS tax provisions for non profit charities according to this link:

    http://www.online-dating rights.com/forum/index.php?topic=1753.msg6938#ms

    Here is the most shocking part. Wife beater and Tahirih Justice Center supporter Congressman Jim Moran (D-VA) then steered a $1.1 earmark for Tahirih’s financial gain so they could use the money to enforce the very law that they{alledgedly] promoted illegally in the first place.
    The funds Tahirih received are actually administered by the Department of Justice through awards generated from the Edward Byrne Memorial grant with an aligned purpose “to prevent crime and improve the functioning of the criminal justice system”.

    The enforcement of criminal laws would logically require a high degree of legal and moral principles from those that enforce the laws themselves. The Tahirih Justice Center has (in our opinion) violated this principle and the public trust by [allegedly] violating IRS laws for non profits. So Tahirih Justice Center has the power to get legislative support and money for their own special laws they want others to obey, while failing to obey OTHER LAWS. This would be like a Police Officer who enforces local public law and then breaks the law himself by filing fraudulent tax returns.

    Hmm.. Something smells pretty fishy to me…

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  563. For clarification purposes I wanted to rephrase the next to the last graph in the previous posting. The correct quote should read…

    “So Tahirih Justice Center has the power to get legislative support and money for their own special laws they want others to obey, while they choose which laws they want to obey themselves.

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  564. Alledged wife beater and the largest cash sponsor for the Tahirih Justice Center, Congressman James Moran appears to be under FBI Investigation according to a private confidential member of a government watchdog group.

    It’s no surprise that the investigation appears to be closely connected to earmarked funds. It has been alledged that Moran received political campaign contributions from various industries and the lobbyists who represent them and then Moran returned the favor by steering hundreds of millions of dollars- representing taxpayers funds back to them.

    The earmarking process is a scurge on our modern democracy that [in my opinion] represents a rather sophisticated form of bribery involving exchanges of favors and enormous amounts of corrupt money far worse in scope, power and money than the old traditional mafia we are accustomed to.

    One would hope that President Obama who promosed to limit the number of earmarks in appropriation bills under his administration would attempt to stop this fraudulent earmark process that threatens to derail the confidence that the American people place in our elected officials…both Democratic and Republican politicans

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  565. Wow – It is great that Roissy learned about IMBRA and took an appropriate harsh stance against the law – but I am rather disappointed at how the comments degenerated into a lot of unrelated nonsense. The only informed comments came a month after the post was made and by members of the OnlineDatingRights.com forum that deals with IMBRA exclusively.

    This Robert Nagle jackass was particularly good at deflecting the truth about IMBRA with his dishonest contention that the part of the law that deals with background checking US males at the fiance visa stage was the entire law!

    In reality, the part of IMBRA that infuriates everyone is the part that makes it illegal for a matchmaker to allow initial communication between a man and a woman regardless of whether he might ever meet her, much less marry her…until after TIME-CONSUMING REDTAPE was signed by a woman who might not have the email connection with which to sign anything (men were once able to phone or send snail mail or telegrams to introduce themselves – but IMBRA makes it impossible for men to meet women who don’t have an Internet connection or who aren’t next door to an agency).

    Is the Robert Nagle who tried so hard to write disinformation the proprietor of the IdiotProgrammer blog:

    http://www.imaginaryplanet.net/weblogs/idiotprogrammer/2007/06/fun-and-feminist/

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  566. No!!! This “Your Post is Awaiting Moderation” nonsense is such that Roissy needs to let us know what kicks this response in so we don’t do it. Right now Roissy is not attending his blog and hasn’t since before Christmas.

    First, THANX for learning about IMBRA.

    Yes, it is a bigger deal than VAWA because it deals with stopping men from MEETING women while VAWA mostly deals only with the stupid males who get married.

    Robert Nagle lied to you when he disinformed you with the notion the law is just about background checking men at the immigration visa application stage.

    IMBRA badly mauls any man who wants to meet one of the very hot women on an international dating websites. Here is how in practical terms: No agency really follows the law but they use it as an excuse to say they cannot sell you a woman’s contact information. They then violate the law by letting you communicate with a woman via EXPENSIVE correspondance all the while monitoring your letters so you don’t let her know how to contact you independently – you also cannot link to any website where she might find you so she can talk with you independently.

    In other words, all agencies LOVE IMBRA while they all pretend they hate it. All of the agencies involved in the two 2006 challenges betrayed their male customers by deliberately losing those challenges – they didn’t even try to claim men had any rights and the right of association was never mentioned.

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  567. How IMBRA harms in practical terms:

    Say you are in Moscow for the weekend and your plane leaves on Monday. On Saturday morning you see the woman of your dreams online and want her email address, phone number or home address so you can send a message or telegram so you can have a few dates over two days before you leave…possibly forever if you haven’t found a reason to come back.

    Without IMBRA you could have bought a piece of contact information for her that she was perfectly willing to be given out to a stranger or pre-approved member of the website (if men had to be background checked first in order to be members of a site, that would be good policy for the site in a free economy).

    So you would have met the woman at least if you were a member of the website in good standing.

    What IMBRA does is it forces the woman to wait until Monday to sign the redtape document that it is OK for this specific man to contact her…because she only gets email at work. You are sitting in an airplane at 9:30AM ready to take off when you get an email stating that the woman has signed the IMBRA form and here is her contact information. You can call her now.

    This forcing of delay in meeting someone is redtape on innocent men with no background problems (keep in mind that 99% of the background check is on the honor system – the man says whether or not he ever committed domestic violence).

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  568. Another answer to the asshole Robert Nagle’s question of who this harms (it harms the foreign women most):

    Say you are at an agency in Russia on Friday evening at 4:30PM and their offices close at 5PM. You see the woman of your dreams as a profile (online or in what radical feminists call a “catalogue” – a low-tech version of Match.com).

    They call her on the phone and she says she wants to have a date with you that very evening.

    But she cannot get online or make it to the agency to sign the IMBRA background check affirmation by 5PM. Too bad. Date not allowed.

    IMBRA says you CANNOT have a date that evening even though she knows about you, has heard that you have nothing bad in your background check (which men fill out on the honor system anyway) and she has stated that she wants to meet you that evening. She MUST sign paperwork first and the agency employees are not going to go the restaurant with you at 8PM to get that signature.

    So they make an appointment for the woman to show up at 9AM to sign the paperwork and you can show up at 9:15AM for a Saturday morning date. But the employee is late arriving to work and you meet the woman ILLEGALLY outside the agency door at 9:15AM and start talking. The employee arrives at 9:20 and screams at you to top talking because it is against the law to communicate before she signs the document!

    That is IMBRA folks and, if just ONE human being wrote what I just wrote on a paper bag and handed it to a federal courthouse anywhere, IMBRA would be overturned within 3 days via Temporary Restraining Order TRO (IMBRA already was overturned via a TRO but it happened to be with a leftist judge who was given a talking-to and he reversed the decision but not without saying that the law was weak and could be challenged by an individual rather than by an agency itself).

    The problem with a challenge is you have to give your real full name to do that and NOT ONE US Citizen who would give their real name has the gumption or intelligence to challenge any feminist law. Nobody in the Men’s Rights Movement who would give out their full name has tried to challenge this.

    Any volunteers to write what I just wrote on a paper bag and simply submit it with your name to a courthouse? No judge could use any rhetoric to justify this. Obviously I can help you write a more lengthy, even more airtight complaint including legal precedent to overturn this.

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  569. BTW, there is NO SUCH THING as a mail order bride. Feminists use the term to belittle the competition like Deborah did above. You don’t buy anything but a piece of contact information and there is a 99% probability after that that you will never marry the woman. Sponsoring a fiance visa is not “importing an object”. A feminist loses credibility immediately if she or it talks in those terms.

    Besides a volunteer to lend his name as the official plaintiff to challenge IMBRA (without a lawyer is fine – there is no way any sane judge can uphold this in a manner that would make it up through the court of appeals), we also need volunteers to keep the Wikipedia article for IMBRA from being controlled by feminists. To do this, you have to be informed enough not to read the feminist controlled article to know about the law in the first place.

    About the 2 court cases: European Connections vs Gonzales involved a socially conservative agency owner who got a TRO immediately that lasted effectively one year (officially six months) but practically only 2 months because the largest dating site stopped selling contact information 2 months after the TRO was made.

    Then the agency owner went into trial and BLEW HIS OWN CASE BY SAYING HE AGREED WITH IMBRA!!!! He said the only problem he had with the law was that he might be liable for men who lied on their honor system background checks! Judge Clarence Cooper, who was mentally against the law and had administered the TRO, was pressured by Hillary Clinton’s people to know he would not be nominated for the Supreme Court when Hillary became President if he did not uphold IMBRA.

    Cooper then upheld the law saying “An individual may claim a first amendment infringement but the agency itself cannot”. The jackass judge could have stood up for the non-existent individual plaintiff but he didn’t have to and he wanted Hillary’s nomination (and may still be nominated by Obama for the Supreme Court).

    In Ohio, a group of idiotic agency owners called themselves AODA (America Online Dating Association) and hired an openly feminist man-hating lawyer from Sarkin-Pinales. She sabotaged her case deliberately by arguing that an individual (a full idiot who never visiting OnlineDatingRights) deserved to have a “new right” to meet women that did not exist but should exist because gays were already granted the right to have sex under a Supreme Court decision and Roe vs Wade gave women the right to an abortion.

    The Bush-appointed federal judge, Thomas Rose – no doubt thinking or told by Bushies that his decision would help in the war on terror – denied a TRO by saying “There is no fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner”.

    He openly said he agreed with the traitorous Plaintiff lawyer that no right already existed to meet foreigners.

    Sarkin Pinales can be charged with legal malpractice for this.

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  570. So this means we can’t even chat with foreigners over the net now?

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  571. [So this means we can’t even chat with foreigners over the net now?]

    Correct. And don’t let anyone tell you this affects *just* for-profit international dating sites where the foreigners don’t pay and the main business of the mother corporation is not dedicated to introducing Americans to each other (the official definition of “marriage broker”). That is too big a *just* even the wording does exempt adult sites like Adultfriendfinder the owners of which would have had the money and the will to fight this. The current definition covers a huge amount of sites and potential sites because men always do the paying on dating sites of any kind except radical feminist oriented sites like Match.com and eHarmony.

    And remember the words Bush appointee Judge Thomas Rose used to deny a restraining order on the law the day before Memorial Day 2006 “There is no fundamental liberty interest in an American contacting a foreigner”.

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  572. […] into law in the coming years. I don’t think such proposals will go through, but given that the two groups have pushed through anti-male legislation before, its not impossible. Unmarried men will likely react to a bachelor tax by leaving the country, […]

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  573. […] Act and the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act, were tacitly endorsed by conservatives (the latter being co-sponsored by two conservative Republicans). Their ingrained ignorance of the nature of women leads them to place them on pedestals, giving […]

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  574. […] than the state’s attempt to artificially prop up women’s sexual market value. It goes hand in hand with IMBRA and other laws to restrict the supply of pussy. The silver lining here is that the war will soon […]

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  575. Update: The Maryland Legislature has just passed a law requiring dating agencies (marriage agencies) to fingerprint men. There is tons of new info on the OnlineDatingRights site.

    It seems that a beta radio talk show host, “Elliot” in Maryland, backstabbed the few guys trying to stop this saying on his site “Sounds like a good law, but creepy old guys don’t like it – Tune in at 5”. Then the host proceeded to give the mike to a feminist.

    At what point are men going to finally say they’ve had enough of this crap and do something about it? As it was said above, the courts are there and must respond to complaints about Constitutionality, even if those complaints are written on a paper bag by someone without a lawyer.

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  576. No real feminist would support a Violence Against Women Act or any equivalent.

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  577. […] constituents, has been fighting to restrict mens’ access to quality quim. For example, the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act, which requires that men who use online dating pay sites to communicate with foreign women to […]

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  578. […] White Knight Girly-Men like the outgoing Kansas GOP Senator Sam Brownback helped pass the outrageous VAWA and IMBRA laws based on a mentally sick feminist definition of […]

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  579. […] of the uglier elements of VAWA is IMBRA, the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act, that forces American men to be background checked before being allowed to communicate with foreign […]

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  580. […] rather than thriving, upholds the IMBRA law as something that isn’t controversial when IMBRA needs to be challenged now, implies that men who date foreign women are more dangerous than otherwise (when 999.7 out of the […]

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  581. Its possible to achieve the benefits of an expat-like lifestyle without permanently leaving and renouncing. One is free to travel as much as they like, for the moment at least. Travel, in and of itself, is not renunciation. Nor is living overseas. The tests are extensive. It prolly a better and easier solution for most americans to be somewhat nomadic and expatted in practice only. Just cherry pick the rides. No need to buy or move into a carnival ground.

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  582. @Irony

    Good comment. However, the phrase “carnival ground” gives the impression that it isn’t ideal to live overseas where there may be fewer pesticides in the local food and a much better quality of life and career along with a daily dosage of good loving.

    For instance, you’d have to be making six figures (not just 90k) in New York City to have anywhere near the quality of life you’d have in Russia (except Moscow) on 30k. Even then, you can have 10 times the fun in Moscow on 45k than you’d have in New York City on 90k. And, after age 40, the difference in the fun you’ll have only gets greater because of the way American women are trained by feminists to reject men over 40.

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