The Difference Between Game And The Red Pill

Rivelino explains,

GAME is all the techniques and strategies to get better with women, including negging, cold reading, push pull, frame control, but also self improvement topics like working out, better posture, career development. the RED PILL, in contrast, is the deeper understanding that women are not sugar and spice and everything nice, that they in fact have a strong need to be sexually overwhelmed and dominated, that they are fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be loyal. the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are, not as we want them to be.

That’s about as clear and succinct a definition of the two value systems as I’ve read anywhere.

There is, of course, plenty of overlap between Game and Red Pill. It has to be, because the Red Pill is the child of its father, Game. Game came first and opened possibilities to explore human dynamics in a new and fresh way. In fact, the Game “worldview” predated the exact same Red Pill worldview. Most of the well-known and well-regarded Game tactics are grounded in Red Pillian (or, for you true old skoolers, evo psych-ian) theories about female nature. These theories received a thorough working-out in the field (see the old fastseduction.com forums for testimonials from tens of thousands of men over the past decade or two), and the experimental process was efficient at sorting the successful seduction strategies from all the competing hypotheses.

Not to butter my own whole grain bread, but I believe with oh-so-innocent earnestness that it was Le Chateau that first made the connection between Game and the wider culture.





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  1. […] The Difference Between Game And The Red Pill […]

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  2. It would be interesting to see a history of Game and Red Pill developments with dates and major accomplishments/discoveries. I started on the journey myself in the mid 80s when I made up my own rudimentary version of Ladder Theory. I wonder if that is were most Red Pill-ers start?

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    • Once you’ve tasted the red pill you see the truth everywhere. There’s lots of red pill in, say, Shakespeare, as well as in writings as ancient as the Bible.

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      • It’s pretty much the wisdom of the ages, just happens to have been suppressed lately.

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      • You can even find it in great operas…such as Carmen and Tannhauser.

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      • I was in alpha zone yesterday while traveling…started on a short flight to JFK, some dude’s girl was eye raping me. I let that slide. Get to the Delta lounge, sit across from a hot Asian who is with some dorky white dude…she is continually looking at me and smiling. Making all kinda tells, brushing her hair, fiddling with her necklace. Was talking to her, find out they’re together, she is nervously talking to me, he even chimes in and i shoot the BS with him too. I surreptitiously make the let’s txt thing to her, and start flashing my number on my fingers out of her bf’s sight. She went into tingles overdrive, compulsively moving her hand thru her hair; I’ll hit her up in a week or whenever. So then i went up to the bar and hit on some other girl who ended up txting me a tit pic after we both left the lounge; I just overtly propositioned her to go to the shower lol. On my way out the Asian was watching her bf’s bags in front of the restroom, i swear i walked right up to her to kiss her; she put her hand on me to push away…I should have swatted that shit but I’m a gentleman lol

        Then I made out with a Brazilian girl I just met, literally kissed her after speaking for probably 10 minutes and she gave me a blowjob on the airplane while in flight. Had her basically buck naked in the 16th row of a 767.

        My attitude was just “I ain’t askin for shit, i takin it”…lol…what a trip

        How much analysis or “game” went into this? None. Just go and do shit and just don’t ask. Oh and have a few G&Ts lol

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  3. Regarding “the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are” – what about those of us who see and understand “they are fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be loyal” and find these characteristics completely unloveable and utterly contemptible?

    Aberration of nature, editing itself out of the gene pool? I still hope not.

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    • on December 24, 2014 at 2:13 pm Whomever Wherever

      > “and that their core nature is not to be loyal”

      Somewhere there’s some video of Fuchs News anchorette Megyn Kelly bragging about how she ditched her husband because “I decided that I deserved better” or some such cuntish shiznat. But my Ju-Tube-Fu doesn’t seem to be up to the task of finding that clip.

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      • on December 24, 2014 at 2:27 pm Whomever Wherever

        Kelly’s confidence is palpable; she is also secure in her second marriage, to novelist Douglas Brunt, a former Internet-security entrepreneur. They met in 2006, after she joined Fox and divorced her first husband—two moves, she says, that were not unrelated. “Once I found professional happiness, it gave me time to think about other areas in my life in which I wasn’t happy. The next obvious candidate for introspection was my marriage.” http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/megyn-kelly-interview-0213

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      • Translation: I’m the beta bux now, time to dump you for some alpha fux.

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      • on December 24, 2014 at 8:47 pm Whomever Wherever

        With a name like “Kelly”, she oughta be an Irish catholic girl, which means that she was probably married at a mass, where everybody was munching on Jesus’s flesh and sucking on Jesus’s blood, and she should have sworn all manner of sacred oaths [on penalty of eternal damnation for perjury] about how she was gonna foreswear all others once she was joined in holy matrimony with her first husband. Then think about that moral and spiritual baggage [which she ought to be carrying] when you see that weird giddy schizophrenic look of euphoria on her face as she declares that she decided to “Settle for More!”

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      • Yeah but on the other hand that’s a TV personality, of course they’re going to be narcissistic and selfish.

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 2:50 pm Diversity Is Good

        Megyn Airhead Bleachblonde is just an example of hypergamy. Hubby #1 was surely alpha enough for her, until she spent her work day at Fox around more masterful, and thus more masculine, men. That made Hubs #1 look weak by comparison. She probably shit tested him without mercy and he failed. Result? Dumped.

        Red pill + Game explains reality. Every single time. Every. Single. Time.

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 8:00 pm Whomever Wherever

        Her first husband was a frigging board-certified anesthesiologist. Dudes like that shouldn’t have any trouble pulling in the better part of a million dollars a year. Can you imagine what that dude must have been thinking when she told him that she wanted a divorce? “I studied my ass off and made great grades in high school, college, and med school; I got awesome standardized test scores; I matched into a highly coveted residency; I busted my ass and went without sleep for years to finish my residency; I studied my ass off yet again and passed my boards; I married my sweetheart; and then WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED? What the hell more was I supposed to have done?!?”

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 1:36 am Never Mind the Bulzac

      “No woman in history has managed to murder as many as Stalin, Hitler or Mao.”

      Women kill 250.000 babies a year, in the UK alone.

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    • Yeah they’re the yin to our yang or however the fuck that goes. There’s a middle ground between the P.C. women are perfect and the ‘red pill’ women are evil beliefs and I think that’s where the truth is.

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    • The biggest lie pushed by the establishment is that men and women are not fundamentally different in nature due to biology. I think a lot of MRAs might be bitter because they refuse to let go of all their liberal baggage and are looking for women to be like men with vaginas.

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 8:39 am gunslinglingergregi

      lol they might be bitter cause almost every man get bent over and fucked by the system

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    • ]] women are not sugar and spice and everything nice, that
      ]] they in fact have a strong need to be sexually overwhelmed
      ]] and dominated, that they are fundamentally emotional and
      ]] childlike, that their concept of truth is not the same
      ]] as that of men, and that their core nature is not to be
      ]] loyal.

      I disagree with that because it sort of gives the impression that women are “inferior” to men: that is I thing both wrong and a very dangerous mistake.

      Many women make the same mistake and regard men as “inferior” as they judge most of them easy to manipulate and use and too emotional and sentimental in a childlike way.

      The basic point is that women and men indeed think/feel DIFFERENTLY, and women have different characters and personalities because of different incentives as they occupy a different echological niche from men, because of the womb and the long pregnancy period.

      In particular I don’t think that they have a “strong need to to be sexually overwhelmed and dominated”, or that they are “emotional and childlike”, but instead that women on average are rather more sociopathic, more coldly calculating and less capable of empathy than men; both towards men in general and other women; with the exception of babies and their own ascendants and descendants; and that they like men who are more like themselves than other men. Note: women surely are good at pretending to be emotional and childlike to men, but it is largely a means to an end.

      As to “concept of truth is not the same as that of men” and “core nature is not to be loyal” again that is judging them from a male perspective, and most men are trained for “team sports”, to work together for bagging results than working alone. I reckon again that women are just more driven by selfish opportunism, and a lower ability to relate to people, especially men, outside their genetic line. A good insight by a red pill guy is that they usually regard men as livestock (or vermin); more precisely as animals that can either be used for gain (betas) or for breeding (alphas); when they become needy and obsessed with an alpha it is not because they “love” him in an emotional sense that men could recognize, but because their gina tingles for their most desirable genetics as potential fathers of player sons. And they see no need to even think of “truth” and “loyalty” when dealing with mere livestock.

      ]] the red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are

      Here probably “love” is in a physical sense… Because the number one delusion of the blue pill is that there is a significant number of “quality women” who can love men in the other-directed sense understood by men; while most women only lust after alpha men, just as they are disgusted by beta men.

      Note: I think that there is indeed a small percentage, perhaps 1-2%, of women that can feel unselfish emotions like men often do, and perhaps a larger percentage, like 10-20%, who are only a little more sociopathic than average men, and lucky are the men who can get one of these mutants :-).

      ] what about those of us who see and understand “they are
      ] fundamentally emotional and childlike, that their concept of truth
      ] is not the same as that of men, and that their core nature is not
      ] to be loyal” and find these characteristics completely unloveable
      ] and utterly contemptible?

      I undestand that, but you are indeed judging women with the same criteria with which you judge men, and that’s what the “red pill” tells you not to do, because they have fundamentally different personalities, with equivalent intelligence and sophistication, even with very different slants.

      You can’t judge a snake because it poisons its prey, or flies for liking dung, or viruses for killing their hosts, or praise a sparrow for their beautiful song, because that’s their ecological niche.

      If women value men as livestock, either as (alpha) breeders they lust after because they can father them player sons who are going to fuck around a lot multiplying their progency, or as (beta) suckers whom they can use to get support and funding for their projects, including raising the players sons they have with the other type of livestock, that’s just their ecological niche driving them. And understanding that means “forewarned is forearmed”.

      You can be aware of that and get what you can get, which is lust if you are an alpha “stallion”; or you can give up and join the MGTOW line; or you can or resign yourself to be a beta “donkey”, as many women seem to sort of like beta “donkeys” when they are not fertile (on the pill or after menopause) and treat them sometimes as pets.

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 2:07 pm Diversity Is Good

      Women commit many fewer murders

      Yeah, not. 1 out of every 5 pregnancies in the US gets aborted. Unique genotype scraped and tossed in the trash.

      Don’t like that one? How many men in the US croak due to high blood pressure every year? How many of those men are married? Jacking up the fight or flight hormones every freaking day with no respite is surely one reason men don’t live as long as women in the US.

      Women kill men on the installment plan, but “nagged to death” is not just some trite joke from a sitcom. It’s real. Ask any middle aged man who has the least clue of the red pill.

      That’s why Game is about life and death for men, because it can enable a man to manage his woman such that he doesn’t croak of a stroke at 55.

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    • “…Women commit many fewer murders … ”

      And more men commit suicide, yet often what pushes a man to either murder or suicide is how women have treated him

      If we could measure psychological violence and punish it with jail time, there would be more women in jail than men.

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    • Beyondredpill: “No woman in history has managed to murder as many as Stalin, Hitler or Mao.”

      Never Mind the Bulzac: Women kill 250.000 babies a year, in the UK alone.

      Bulzac FTMFW

      It’s astonishing how many babies have met their end in the meat grinder after legalized abortion became not only legal but the juggernaut of the womenz movement. I’m not even against abortion but gawd damn ladies take it off the bucket-list already.

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    • oh dear, the story is simply that women are driven to a very large extent by “chemistry” (what we call “gina tingle”) because they occupy a different ecological niche from men, because of the womb.

      As Heartiste put it:

      “Maxim #23: The vagina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations are secondary.”

      Do you despise the virus that kills its host? The snake that kills with its venom? Do you praise the sparrow for its beautiful song? The peacock for its lustrous tail? They are all consequences of their ecological niche.

      Women are simply different; some well-laid men sometimes even think that the “chemistry” drives them so hard that they are largely incapable of free will when it comes to mating.

      As to “love” most women are only capable of “love”, in the sense intended by men of being other-directed, towards their own children and child-looking animals.

      Because they are driven by the “chemistry” the only love they can show a man is physical love. As long as there is “chemistry”. If a woman has “chemistry” for you there is little she won’t do for you; if she hasn’t, too bad.

      The gina tingle is essentially the instinct that tells women that you would be an excellent father for her sons (women want player, dark-triad sons who will pump and dump a lot of women), and that is overwhelmingly important for women’s reproductive success.

      You have 3 options: realize that they are driven by “chemistry”, and give them chemistry as an alpha; or don’t give them “chemistry”, be considered by them a repulsive beta, and be at best used by them; or choose MGTOW and keep away from them.

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    • “Women kill 250.000 babies a year, in the UK alone.”

      and apparently it’s not just young ones doing it.

      looks like all the fear mongering about infertility by the media has been based on ridiculous studies from a couple centuries ago. so tons of older women are now getting pregnant and aborting because they thought chances of a successful pregnancy were so low they didn’t need protection. how insane is that?

      used to be women would settle down in their early 20s and start families then continue having babies until menopause. now no one is having babies. boy how times have changed.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/10838177/Why-fertility-is-far-from-finished-at-40.html

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    • “older women are now getting pregnant”

      interesting post. i guess it’s just another example of the media mishandling information and the masses taking it in as truth.

      i have to admit that i bought into the idea that women were basically done with baby making after their 20s. i bought it hook line and sinker.

      guess i had forgotten about my grandmother and all my aunts and great aunts who were still having babies around the same time they were becoming grandmothers by their older kids. it was pretty typical to see that when i was growing up. these women were all in their 40s and that was back when people aged faster, died younger. and the availability of good healthcare and nutrition wasn’t even close to what it is now.

      so i suppose that’s good news for guys who are still hoping to knock up their old girls but a warning for those who are looking for no strings sex. use protection even if she thinks she doesn’t need it. because unless she’s in her 50s, there’s still a chance you could knock her up and chances are, unless you’ve locked her down and plan to help raise the child, she’ll probably be aborting it.

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    • @88

      great post. really an eye opener.

      this little tidbit sure caught my eye…”Then there’s the statistic that one in three women aged between 35 and 39 will not be pregnant after a year of trying…These figures do not come from large, scientifically conducted studies of contemporary women, but from French birth records from 1670 to 1830, covering women with no access to modern health care or nutrition.”

      and this…”Before the introduction of reliable contraception, older mothers were common, with women giving birth to their last child when they were grandmothers. In the Twenties, the average age a woman had her last child was 42.”

      so in the 20s, women were routinely having babies at that age. that was not the exception to the rule, that was the average. wow.

      the liberal/feminist goal of destroying traditional family structures and devaluing femininity and child rearing has been going on for years. we all know the lies they tell to further their cause but i had no idea to what extent i had bought into those lies.

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    • on January 1, 2015 at 12:28 am Diddlydangerous

      I bet all men would feel that way if they had the proper perspective. There’s a reason why the philosophers of old never married. Same with Buddhists

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  4. their core nature is not to be loyal

    I think that the explanation is excellent, except for the above quote. I have known some women who truly loved their man and seemed to be indeed loyal in both their hearts and their deeds. They occasionally felt lust for other men, but that that just shows they are human. Are you sure that men tend to be more loyal, in relationships, than women, when the women truly love?

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    • Think of loyalty in these terms:

      If the ship sinks…more than likely they are the first off it.

      Some will stay on the ship…but it takes divine intervention for a woman to get there.

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    • JasonF, your own knowledge of said women does not disprove the lack of loyalty amongst womankind. I’d wager in nearly all of those instances the man was, in fact, the cause of and truly deserving of such love and loyalty.

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      • said another way: MY girl’s love and fidelity is ultimately MY responsibility.

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      • on December 24, 2014 at 10:02 pm Whomever Wherever

        > “MY girl’s love and fidelity is ultimately MY responsibility”

        Or her father’s responsibility. A young girl without a strong father in her life is a professional sex worker and an attempted suicide just waiting to happen.

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      • I’ve had more than a few male so-called friends betray me. Most guys will be your bro until you start doing better in life than them in some way. Then they’ll hate on you on the downlow.

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 5:57 am Whomever Wherever

        > “I’ve had more than a few male so-called friends betray me.”

        There’s something weird which happens between roughly about the age of 15 and 25 when you start to sense that something is going wrong with many of your “friends” – you realize that some of them are growing up to be Beta/Gamma basket cases, some of them are growing up to be consumeristic [and/or mercantilistic] materialists, some of them are growing up to be alcoholics, and of course all of your jewish friends will grow up to be Jews, etc etc etc. By the time you get to be in your mid-30s, the kinds of dudes with whom you’d want to break bread will bear little resemblance to the dudes who were your partners in crime back in the day.

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      • WW,

        You just described what I have experienced with old college friends of mine. Your last sentence is spit on. For me, the latter half this year is when I finally began the road to put it all behind me.

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      • *spot on, I meant

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 7:42 pm Whomever Wherever

        Yeah, and it’s some pretty scary shit when you realize that you are just about all alone in the entire world, and those old emotional bonds which you thought you could always rely on were in fact built upon a foundation of sand. But a man’s gottta do what a man’s gotta do; otherwise you aren’t a man, you’re just a little boy running around in a grown man’s body. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 2:08 pm Diversity Is Good

      JasonF: Not All Women Are Like That blah blah blah. Except when the aren’t.

      Save time, Jason, just type NAWALT and quit.

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    • I never agreed with this “truth” that women are innately less loyal. There are as many equally bitter women out there vexed about guys who strung them along fucking without committing to a relationship, or strung them along in a relationship without committing to marriage. It’s an extremely common view among women that men are liars and that their faithfulness always has a time limit. Men and women hurt each other badly, all the time.

      The only practical difference is that women might on average approach dating and relationships with less of a scarcity mindset because of the surfeit of attention any half-way decent woman gets from strange men. But when compared with a sampling of guys who have escaped the scarcity mindset and have confidence – built from experience – they can attract women, the loyalty of the two groups will average out around the same.

      Women can be just as vulnerable as men, as CH wrote about here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/03/04/love-when-women-turn-into-beta-males/

      When women mean it, they make you feel *loved*.

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      • on December 27, 2014 at 5:31 pm Diversity Is Good

        arronski
        I never agreed with this “truth” that women are innately less loyal.

        Hey, everyone, forget what your lying eyes have told you, here’s a White Knight to set you straight.

        There are as many equally bitter women out there vexed about guys who strung them along fucking without committing to a relationship, or strung them along in a relationship without committing to marriage.

        So?

        It’s an extremely common view among women that men are liars and that their faithfulness always has a time limit.

        Again, so? Facts disagree – 65% to 70% of divorces are filed by women, not men. It’s obvious that “me love you long time” always has a time limit.

        Men and women hurt each other badly, all the time.

        So? What does that have to do with women’s loyalty?

        The only practical difference is that women might on average approach dating and relationships with less of a scarcity mindset because of the surfeit of attention any half-way decent woman gets from strange men.

        No. Are you a woman? Likely so, and a feminist at that. There are other practical differences dictated by biology.

        When women mean it, they make you feel *loved*.

        For a while. And it’s always “for a while”. Because women’s loyalty is always first to themselves, second to their children, third to other women and then, maybe, someone else. That’s what my lying eyes tell me, anyway.

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      • @Diversity Is Good

        Please do not try to school me on anything to do with this, you faggot. I have participated in this sphere since likely before you heard of it. If you look at my Twitter (the name I’m posting here under), you’ll see the guy Rivelino being quoted in this post follows me; CH himself has even been known to cite me (https://twitter.com/Arronski/status/535871424221970432).

        Someone deviating from the party line doesn’t call for conspiracy theories of feminist trolling.

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  5. Both are the next step is the sexual arms race. Women had the leg up on us for a good 20-30 years, maybe longer. I wonder, without the ability to share information privately over internet, would so many men have ever caught up and figured out their hypergamous nature? It’s worth pondering.

    “The red pill teaches men to love and appreciate women as they are, not as we want them to be.”

    I wouldn’t go THAT far, but bashing women and their dark natures is simply another way of pedestalizing them and distracting oneself from the real issue: if you want access to that pussy, you gotta do the work. It’s not supposed to be easy. You can lie and cheat your way into that world for a little while, but to get really good with women you have to realize that they are perfect just the way they are. If you’re being excluded from pussy-land, there’s a reason.

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    • “I wonder, without the ability to share information privately over internet, would so many men have ever caught up and figured out their hypergamous nature?”

      Abso-fucking-lutely NOT! There is no way this game/red pill knowledge would have spread without the www.

      I would have literally *killed* for this information 20-30 yrs ago..

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      • “Abso-fucking-lutely NOT! There is no way this game/red pill knowledge would have spread without the www. ”

        There’s a good reason why the “Feminine Mystique” began to lose its allure and men began to crack the girlcode right around the same time all those pesky little AOL discs began appearing in the mailbox 4-5 times per week.

        The screech and “handshake” of the 2400 baud modem was the sound of a very tiny Alpha Natural yelling redpill truths from deep inside the young interweb.

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  6. After being the beta nice guy got my heart broken year ago, I got turned onto Game & have been working my way through as many red pill/manosphere sites as I can find.

    It looks like a lot of them follow the same path that the Chateau has blazed: A lot of Game & Seduction info in the beginning, followed by a growing emphasis on Race (HBD) & Politics (Cultural Marxism) later.

    That progression pretty much mirrors my own intellectual journey into the Dark Enlightenment, too. Once I realized that I had been lied to about women my whole life, it seemed natural to explore what else I had been lied to about.

    Short answer: Everything.

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    • I like this response. About the same for me. Especially the HBD stuff and how I was raised on lies about race. That diversity is strength, we are all the same, and we can all live together peacefully regardless of the inherent differences between races and their associated cultures.

      I was talking to a very old friend a few weeks ago. The subject of race came up. He made a comment about how Babe Ruth wouldn’t have been shit if blacks had been in baseball at the time. Probably a true statement…

      Later in the night, the subject of race and IQ came up, and he brought out the whole lie of “Race is a purely social construct” and all the liberal academia nonsense. I quickly reminded him that he had just posited the genetic superiority of blacks as athletes just an hour ago. How is that any different from recognizing the intellectual superiority of Jews/Asians/etc.

      He had nothing. He continued to defend the lie of egalitarianism/equalism. I was tired of it at this point, and just told him to do his own due diligence, the data has been around for 60+ years and you are free to believe whatever lies he wants to…

      The thing about my friend is that he is actually a very smart person, so he actually DID do the research. He came to me a week later and basically said I had opened his eyes to the realities of race. I guess I popped his red pill cherry.

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      • also, just to ass one more point… How can these blue-pill types throw around lines like “diversity is strength,” while at the same time telling everyone how there is no differences between races. Don’t these contradict each other? I mean, if we’re all the same, then there can’t be any significant diversity right

        I guess logic doesn’t work too well for them when it contradicts their worldview.

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      • lol ADD one more point

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      • nice! btw you’re using the same monika as mine! no dramas man, just stating a funny coincidence 😉

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      • He made a comment about how Babe Ruth wouldn’t have been shit if blacks had been in baseball at the time. Probably a true statement…

        I’ve heard this canard for over a decade now… Ruth competed against the best players of his time, when the majors only had slots for about 400 men… and he totally dominated at the plate… not to mention pitching in his early career.

        Just about 3500 ABs fewer than Aaron… you do the math.

        Think Josh Gibson could have dominated those white pitchers of the era?

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      • Greg Eliot

        I’ve heard this canard for over a decade now… Ruth competed against the best players of his time, when the majors only had slots for about 400 men… and he totally dominated at the plate… not to mention pitching in his early career.
        ———————————————————————————–

        Babe Ruth was a tri-roon (1/3 black)

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    • “Once I realized that I had been lied to about women my whole life, it seemed natural to explore what else I had been lied to about.Short answer: Everything”

      Amen, and well said. It’s all of a piece.

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      • Game (relationship game, anyhow) and PaleoCon politics are indeed related through the Red Pill. It’s a bit…awkward…to quote yourself, but I buried this comment on the dead, tail end of a recent thread. It is, again, relevant:

        “The game advice on the blog is gold. The political commentary is shit.”

        No. They are connected. Game is ‘learned charisma’. An essential teaching is that the masculine attracts the feminine. The most un-masculine trait is Self-Doubt [cowardice is mostly just self-doubt in its most flagrant form], and the most corrosive form of self-doubt is Guilt. That goes double for guilt that is ascribed to an identity group rather than earned by personal behavior. For decades now, we have been marinated in a popular culture that seeks to demonize, delegitimize and demoralize Anglo men…

        We will be better, happier men — who are more attractive to women — when we learn to Resist the [Toxic] Narrative.

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    • Once I realized that I had been lied to about women my whole life, it seemed natural to explore what else I had been lied to about.

      Short answer: Everything.

      This is a great summary. The rabbit hole goes deep.

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 3:43 am gunslingergregi

      Short answer: Everything.””””’

      yea word every fucking thing its actually amazing
      whats more amazing people want to be lied to

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 6:24 am Whomever Wherever

        > “people want to be lied to”

        GSGI, lately I have been thinking that about 100 years ago, the Frankfurt School must have been realizing that in any given population, there is a left end to the insanity/sanity bell curve which consists of people who are so fanatical that they’ll regurgitate whichever ideology is prevalent in the culture at large – popery, Christianity, islam, buddistry, atheism, eco-paganism, fascism, marxism, feminism, sodomy/sapphistry, mudsharkery, etc. Gonna post a link next to illustrate this point.

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 6:28 am Whomever Wherever

        CUNY newspaper editorial calls for violent protests http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3240752/posts “A disturbing editorial in a CUNY grad-student newspaper calls for rioters protesting the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown to arm themselves and wage violent war with cops…”

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 6:49 am Whomever Wherever

        If your population’s core group of fanatic-by-nature swallow-any-and-all-lies highly-manipulable nutjobs becomes too large, and if profoundly evil people control the megaphone, then you’ve got a recipe for 75 million people being slaughtered by the Frankfurt School in Russia and another 150 million people being slaughtered by Frankfurt School puppets in China and Korea and Cambodia and Vietnam.

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      • I thoroughly approve of this. The leftist malcontents VS the leftist government/bureaucracy

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      • on December 25, 2014 at 7:30 pm Whomever Wherever

        Dude, you need to spend some time at SCC. Those dudes are 100% Red Pill Dark Enlightenment Truth-Speakers. And that ain’t some keyboard-jockey internet fantasy for them – they’re out there in the shit, putting their lives on the line every single damned day. http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com

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  7. The ‘red pill’ if you will has always been around…you can find all these truths throughout the Bible. Today’s gentlemen has been brainwashed by the modern culture to forget how things really are.

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  8. “The ‘red pill’ if you will has always been around…you can find all these truths throughout the Bible. Today’s gentlemen has been brainwashed by the modern culture to forget how things really are.”

    Exactly right. The only reason we needed Game and Red Pill is because the “civilized” model lulled us into complacency. Ask any man from a third world country about women and you’ll find that Game theory and red pill are like the ABCs to them. Too obvious to be worth mentioning.

    In some ways, Game and Red Pill are a typical reaction from a fanatic culture that swings wildly between extremes.

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 9:22 am Whomever Wherever

      > “The only reason we needed Game and Red Pill is because the “civilized” model lulled us into complacency. Ask any man from a third world country about women and you’ll find that Game theory and red pill are like the ABCs to them. Too obvious to be worth mentioning.”

      COTY material right there. Also explains why Obama’s Sons have an inherent advantage in wooing the At-Risk-For-Mudsharkery hypergamous slut – while the poor stupid naive White Boy is deferring to her as the perfect little lady which she is NOT, the ‘hood coon is hitting her up as the sperm-receptacle which she really is.

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    • Yeah. Even though I don’t agree with everything on here, I still find it useful and recommend it to people because it’s wrong *in the opposite direction* as the MSM–so if you read this and all the MSM crap, you wind up with something close to the truth. Strictly IMHO.

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  9. ah fastseduction. i didn’t even realize the domain was something else til just now. the 101 guide was still worthwhile for people just starting out, at least to make the transition from “that would never work” to “wow i can’t believe this works” no idea where i’m going to get a concise guide to palmreading ever again

    *salute*

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  10. Another RedPill alert. Yes, it is time to “teach women not to cheat”.

    Please write to Ryan R. Gibney, 1473 Sweetwater Way, Pottstown PA 19464.

    Tell him to take his testicles out of his wife’s purse.

    She (Iris A. Gibson, 42) was just arrested by local officers for having sex with a 17-year old football player from the high school where her daughter is a cheerleader.

    In the car that Ryan gave to Iris.

    You could call him at home – – 610.970.1144

    Or, you could call Iris’ boss at Victoria’s Secret of King of Prussia Mall. Not sure if it’s (610) 337-4829 or if it’s (610) 337-0788

    At all costs, we want to counsel Ryan to ===not=== allow this woman to get away with this moral crime.

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  11. Oaktree
    “The ‘red pill’ if you will has always been around…you can find all these truths throughout the Bible.
    ————————————————————————————–

    Indeed, the first record of red pill was in Genisis when Satan used game to bang out Eve in the Garden of Eden; that nonsense about the apple tree is just a proxy for something far worse.

    Eve got pregnant with the devils spawn and when Cain was born, Adam became the worlds first cuckhold.

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  12. “it was Le Chateau that first made the connection between Game and the wider culture.”

    Indisputably.

    This is in effect a synthesis of paleoconservative political insights with Camille Paglia’s articulation of human sexual nature.

    As I mused recently ‘game posts, politics post… can there be one without the other?’

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  13. on December 24, 2014 at 11:53 am HipsterInTrainin

    CH, I read you mentioned the forums.
    In Game Acceleration Doctrine 2.0, Sinn described them as completely unverifiable and hence unreliable.

    What’s your opinion?

    By the way, I’m interested: have you read Otto Weininger’s book “Sex an Character”, and if so, what’s your take on it?

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  14. In my own life (over 300 bangs) as a practitioner of Game I can say with no reservation that it was Mystery who stands as our Moses…a man who woke up and delivered the Truth to his brothers. Heartiste is a different figure. Like Ender’s brother, he is changing the world with words.

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  15. It’s the “love and appreciate them as they are” that I don’t get. How can you “love and appreciate” a being so evil?

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    • You love her because she fulfills your need. But for appreciation, well, you can certainly appreciate even the most venomous cobra, can’t you?

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    • Heh, heh… recently a sexually-aggressive “curvy” gal complained to me (after I had mildly suggested she begin a regimen in the new year to bring her bottom half into closer alignment with her top) how “it’s what’s inside that counts” turns out to be, her her words, “bullshit, I guess”.

      I merely replied: “Men’s eyes are right out front for good reason… our ears are much further back on the head.”

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  16. Sexually dominating a childlike being is just gross.

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  17. Women are completely loyal to a man that arouses them. They are only disloyal to men who seek loyalty justifed by their own loyalty. Janay Rice and Rhianna are loyal women. Plenty of bored housewives who are not.
    It’s not about any logical system of justice. It’s about how they feel, justified or not.

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    • “They are only disloyal to men who seek loyalty justifed by their own loyalty.”

      exactly. women can be very loyal but just like respect, loyalty is not something you can expect or demand from anyone. it is something that must be earned.

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    • “It’s not about any logical system of justice. It’s about how they feel, justified or not.”

      I agree that women tend not to share the “logical system of justice” that makes sense to the male, particularly the white male, mind. For those that seek justice from woman I say, “Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.” Virtually nothing which the male assumes would weigh heavily on the scales of justice matter so much as a whit, which has left many a man stunned and shell shocked.

      But there is a logic to hypergamy, and therefore a certain method to female madness. Once you see the patterns, it makes a (disillusioning) kind of sense.

      Of course, there are women out there with genuinely good hearts, who defy the pattern. They seem to be relatively few, and their existence is harder to explain. Call it a miracle, or an act of god.

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      • An all woman jury acquitted George Zimmerman in spite of an openly hostile judge, death threats, every celebrity supporting a guilty verdict, and biased media reports which tainted the jury pool. There are in fact women who believe in justice.

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      • “… Of course, there are women out there with genuinely good hearts, who defy the pattern.…”

        Maybe it was bad luck but the rare few who genuinely had good hearts were never better than 6/10 as far as looks are concerned.

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      • “Hypergamy makes perfect sense”

        Yes once you realize a woman is programmed like this everything else will fall into place.

        For millennia women were property, the fuck toys of those men who went and took them, often via violence, and made them their own. And the women evolved to accept this and love it.

        The change now is it is the women who are iniating the uptrading instead of male captors.

        A women’s sole purpose is to propagate life. Alpha is the power to end life. She can’t fulfill her purpose if she is dead, so bonding to the New male is a feature not a bug. Not programmed for loyalty.

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    • Yeah, it’s not about any logical system of justice. Let’s see, what’s the biggest injustice? Murder! And who does that more, men or women….
      Hmmm…. back to the drawing board….

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      • God, are you stupid.

        Men being more violent than women doesn’t prove that women have a stronger sense of justice. It just proves they’re more aggressive.

        Men are more principled, while women are more likely to hamster their way out of situations.

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      • What I mean is justice within the context of relationships. Young guys, before game, often took cues from popular culture about what women liked. My favorite “beta fantasy” movie is The Wedding Singer. Adam Sandler gets dumped at the altar because his trashy girlfriend realized he’ll never be a rock star. Then he orbits around Drew Barrymore and sees her being emotionally abused by her rich asshole boyfriend. She begins to have feelings for him after seeing what a funny, sensitive, good listener he is. So he stages a dramatic love song to stop the wedding. As a teenager, I loved that movie. It validates conventional thinking and restores justice to its universe. Game teaches men not to expect justice. It tells men that “loyalty” comes to men who are valued, not as some sort of payoff for being a good relationship partner. And being valued comes from: looks, money, and following the 16 commandments of poon.

        I’ll never argue that men aren’t dogs when it comes to sex. It’s just damaging to men if they believe that women aren’t animals in their own right.

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      • Metro Onan has long been a pin-headed presence which arises from time-to-time, here at the chateau… albeit inspirational…

        … he inspires both disdain and pity.

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      • Infanticide and abortion. Women kill their own children.

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      • As I said above, men also commit suicide more than women.

        You can not only look at murder to “appraise” the value of men.

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  18. Rubbish. Red Pill, thus defined, is just a nonsense. Great writers of yore, from Euripides and Shakespeare to Tolstoy and Stendhal, knew better than this cartoon and all you guys should learn from them & from real life, not just your petty grievances. Sure, women should not be idealized (although even that didn’t end up bad for Dante.) But, to claim they’re “childlike and emotional” is nonsense- most people are dumb & childlike, not just women. Women are MORE emotional; many of them are not very sexual beings at all (motherhood or sometimes carer are more important than sex); tell to Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi or Margaret Thatcher they’re “childlike”; tell to Decembrists’ wives (Russia 1825.) they’re disloyal. This part, i.e., the definition of “Red Pill” is SOB- Standard Operational Bullshit.

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    • The French women who had children with the German occupiers care to differ.

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    • “Great writers of yore, from Euripides and Shakespeare to Tolstoy and Stendhal, knew better than this cartoon and all you guys should learn from them & from real life, not just your petty grievances.”

      1. Many past writers were incorrigible white knights because, a) women were made to act sensibly, which made “misogyny” a waste of time, and b) they were considered morally unaccountable children. Why would you hold a child accountable for it’s actions like you would do with an adult.

      Also, what “petty grievances” are you talking about you disgusting shitstain?

      This is what I hate about these people: there is soo much that a man has just cause to be pissed off about. So many things that are outrageous beyond belief if one puts things into perspective. But then, along comes a stupid tradcon faggot a la MPC that has to position himself as the MACHOOR father figure that teaches us how to properly respect wimmin.

      Those aren’t “petty” grievances, sweety. Those are genuinely important things to give a shit about. Remember that everytime you hear about prosecutor refusing a false rape fabulist not being taken to the task because “it might discourage real rape victims from coming forward”.

      “But, to claim they’re “childlike and emotional” is nonsense- most people are dumb & childlike, not just women.”

      That’s not even a contradiction of what he said, you idiot.

      “tell to Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi or Margaret Thatcher they’re “childlike””

      That’s like looking at the WNBA and thinking that women aren’t short.

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 2:16 pm Diversity Is Good

      Bardon Kaldian says “Some and All mean the same thing! So you boys are poopy heads!”

      Look, honey, reality is what it is regardless of how it may get your panties twisted up.

      Now run along, there’s surely a sale somewhere, get shopping!

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    • to claim they’re “childlike and emotional” is nonsense

      Maybe you are young, inexperienced and have not met enough women.

      I used to think like you decades ago.

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  19. From Trainspotter:
    “But there is a logic to hypergamy, and therefore a certain method to female madness. Once you see the patterns, it makes a (disillusioning) kind of sense.”

    I would add that there is a morality to it also. If you believe that compassion and biological fitness are intertwined, then female hypergamy is a way of weeding out the weak before they’ve even been created.

    It’s only disillusioning if were counting on it being handed to you on a platter, like government assistance. Lol.

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  20. on December 24, 2014 at 2:03 pm manosphere lurker

    You have it backwards, Heartiste. The Red Pill has always pre-dated Game.

    For starters, look at scientific studies covering women’s “strategic pluralism”, the “koinophilia effect”, and the “lek paradox.”

    Either way, I firmly believe that the red pill will always outweigh in importance compared to game. That’s simply because where game can falter, the red pill can explain. So it’s best to think of the red pill as a concrete foundation and game as your castle.

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  21. on December 24, 2014 at 2:25 pm Alex Jones SuperFan

    I prefer the GREEN PILL.

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    • on December 24, 2014 at 2:27 pm Alex Jones SuperFan

      Make that green/red hybrid, actually. JIDF pys-ops are clever, sometimes.

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    • Dang, I wondered why it was that I hadn’t emitted any healing energy recently. I just checked, and my chakras were damn near a foot ‘n’ a half outta alignment! All of ’em!

      I sure kicked them back into position.

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    • ” well aligned chakras causes him to emit healing energy”
      Loooolllzzzzzzolzzzzzzzzz
      but what else expect from an idiot calling himself Alex Jones SuperFan
      ” who compensates for lack of personal success by identifying with success of his face”

      Poor clown are you the best that your masters came up with?
      How many sheckels one have to pay for such an skillful and eloquent propagandist?

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      • He obviously means success of his *race*, it fits better with the other stuff on the picture.

        I agree, it’s kinda stupid.

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    • “Delusions of persecution”

      “delusions”

      wat?

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    • Dunno ’bout youse guys, but I think the swazi belongs on the tall blonde… them other two look like, well… you-know-who.

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  22. PUA = Game + Red Pill.

    I look at it like all we (PUAs) cared about was what worked to get laid and we figured out (through trial and error and through linking stuff like evo-psych and self-help and studying Naturals etc.) just enough of the Red Pill to get the jist of why our shit was working but our primary focus was poon.

    The Manosphere and Red Pill communities have just taken what PUA figured out and analyzed it deeper to help explain the concepts in a more “new guy who doesn’t want to swallow the pill”-digestible way and linking scientific studies and shit to back it all up (we didn’t care about that, we knew this shit wouldn’t be acceptable or studied for years and all the proof of it working was out in-field every day if you wanted proof). Basically Manosphere/Red Pill communities have been confirming our shit and making it more palatable to a wider audience who don’t want to go the full hardcore PUA route.

    That’s why I roll my eyes when Manosphere and Red Pill people shit on PUAs/RSD/Mystery. It just shows how the new generation has no idea where the shit they’re learning came from. That’s like me shitting on someone for eating cake, talking about how disgusting cake is and how pathetic people who eat cake are, when I’m eating a cupcake which is basically just a smaller cake with fancy icing on top to make it more appealing to a wider audience. Dumbest thing I see and it makes me lol and shake my head everytime. “Those PUAs are retarded, they don’t even GET laid! Check out my new Red Pill/Manosphere article on (insert concept taken directly from PUA but re-worded, or figured out from field experience and labelled as a new revelation when it’s actually a concept fully explained in early PUA teachings that could’ve saved them some time and energy if they had actually read them)”

    I mean, at the end of the day I don’t care that much. I only point it out for the sake of accurately documenting history because I was there from basically the start (before there was a Manosphere or Red Pill or MGTOW community) and have watched this all go down.

    I’m just happy this shit has reached a lot of dudes, whether it’s thru the Manophere, the Red Pill community, MGTOWs, MRAs, PUAs, GamerGate, UVA false rape case, fuck it it’s ALL good. The important thing to me is that men are waking up and seeing the Matrix for the first time en masse and rejecting the chains society has previously wrapped them in.

    It’s a fucking beautiful sight that I never thought I’d live to see.

    Merry Christmas, all. May the new year bring you all the hot young poon you desire lol

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    • Where do you think this mass awakening among men is going to take us? What do you see happening over the next 10 years and how can a late 20s/early 20s man prepare himself to benefit the most?

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    • What you fail to understand is that men built these societies, and along with them, the chains that you deride. Not women, men. And there were good reasons for it.

      Five men ganging up on one was no way to prove mettle. So rules for fighting were created. Stealing another man’s property or women was anarchist. So rules of engagement were created. Rules were created because they help everyone. Even the Alphas. Rules were created to identify true Alphas, and to reward every man on the basis of his merit, and his ability to pull his own weight.

      The trouble with today’s world is not that those “chains” exist, but that the rules we have now are irrational. The system has been corroded because cheats found their way to the top, and they overpowered truth through democracy, which is nothing but a modern version of ganging up on a man.

      You are good at being a PUA. That’s like being a good thief. You are doing well for yourself. But don’t for a moment believe that you’re somehow helping your genes survive in the long run. You are alone, no matter how much you try to delude yourself.

      And by you I don’t just mean you, YaReally. I mean all those who are treating the game as an instrument of nihilism and hedonism. You are alone.

      I have two brothers. Eldest one already has two sons. The second one is expecting one from his wife soon. Including my father, there are four armed men in the family. In two decades, there’ll be fifteen, perhaps. When push comes to shove, the family will be a lot stronger than a fledgeling nihilist any day.

      You think it’s all about sex? You are a fool.

      The true wake up call is not about poon. It’s about power. Poon is just a byproduct. Power comes from wealth, status, repute, prowess etc. But the greatest source of power is, as it has always been, the family. And by family I don’t mean Mommy who lives in her apartment alone in Connecticut.

      The white man’s fall began the day he disregarded the value of family, and went alone. That was the cause. The fucked up world is only a consequence.

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    • on December 24, 2014 at 3:15 pm Whomever Wherever

      > “The Manosphere and Red Pill communities have just taken what PUA figured out and analyzed it deeper to help explain the concepts in a more “new guy who doesn’t want to swallow the pill”-digestible way and linking scientific studies and shit to back it all up”

      Wolves are better than dogs at COUNTING: Wild canines identify the number of items more often than their domesticated cousins http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2883974/Wolves-better-dogs-COUNTING-Wild-canines-identify-number-items-domesticated-cousins.html

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    • Manosphere where romance is concerned is PUA for people who don’t want to be associated with alternative subcultures.

      That’s why I think you get the hatred for the traditional PUA spaces is because it’s filled with the freak/weirdo/alt crowd and the bro/jock/mainstreamey types have never much liked that crowd.

      It’s jocks vs the nerds/freaks all over again.

      It makes sense if you factor in the ever encroaching wave of pure feminism. The outcasts are going to feel the sting first and the hardest so they are going to be first come up with solutions. So while scrawny introverted nerd/creative types were coming up short, the jocks/frat boys were doing ok.

      However, this started to change and then even the frat boys were going through dry spells and started to search for some answers. The problem arises when these guys ran into people that they viewed as strange degenerates were the only ones giving the real advice on the public sphere.

      Naturally, they don’t want to be anywhere near people they deemed where losers but they still needed the help and thus a gap in the market appeared. Enter the manosphere. Gives advice in the form that is conducive to a broader audience.

      Now we have game advice packaged in more traditional manly communication surrounded by guy hobbies like weight lifting and making money, and of course politics. This makes the game advice go down easier. It’s like hiding medicine in food for somebody that isn’t enthusiastic about taking it.

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      • on December 24, 2014 at 9:02 pm Whomever Wherever

        In my experience lately, the War on Boys has so effectively neutered the overwhelming majority of young men these days [teens through about mid-thirties] that if you simply walk up to a girl and say “Hi!”, then she’ll sleep with you [because it’s been so long since a boy has even talked to her that she’ll fuck anything* which shows some signs of masculinity]. Point being that most fellows nowadays, who came up through the scorched-earth anti-White anti-male pogroms of the Edumakshun Industrial Complex, are so gun-shy that they can’t even summon up the courage to say “Hi!” to a girl.

        *Which could go a long way towards explaining the pandemic of mudsharkery.

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      • on December 26, 2014 at 1:13 pm gunslingergregi

        some interesting points

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    • yareally, not that your ego needs it, but most of the folks at this blog don’t realize what they’d lose if you stopped posting. keep ignoring the do-nothing, know-nothing clowns. i, for one, really preesh the real talk, brah.

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      • yareallyarchive.com

        Agree with you 100%. Props to lumpypua for creating this as we’d be a lot more fucked with out it.

        @ YaReally. The past 3 years you have done many of us a wonderful service by posting here.

        Seriously thank you so much I see you on the same level as RSD Tyler in terms of how much you’ve helped out a lot of us.

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      • “most of the folks at this blog don’t realize what they’d lose if you stopped posting”

        like: contradictory made up anecdotes, endless rsd plugs, condescending hyperbole, post bang pedestalizing nonsense and overreaching faux broscience.

        maybe 10% of his very long posts are valuable and you always have to dig. archive stuff is much better and less ego filled.

        2014 = year ya jumped the shark. at least his beaner buddy tranny hound kant is gone.

        btw marla singer is the worst possible image to post. she was a used up old slut with zero marketplace value and brought absolutely nothing to the relationship or project mayhem.

        t durden is a game failure. he should have been banging a paper street house full of girls half marla’s age instead of beta oneitis committing to her post carousel pill head fem kunt ass. but hollywood would never make that movie. can’t let the beta provider tax donkeys get any ideas.

        that book was a wimps repsonse to getting his ass kicked at a campgroud. and the film was produced by a zionist who illegally funneled weapons and money into that one terrorist kuntry in the levant.

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      • This is yareally’s blog, CH just posts here.

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    • Hey, Ya, I’ve been testing compliance responses from a woman to see if I can generate gradual compliance to more and more demanding tasks.

      I started off with her doing the primate mate-recognition signal when she saw me (wide eyes accompanied by a halted breath followed by a turn of the head to the side and a small smile). Later I invited her out to my vehicle and she declined, but her IOI’s went thru the roof while we were dancing. She was constantly smoothing her hair over her ear (so often that it seemed like a nervous tic) and saying how great my lead was all the time that we were dancing. The instigation of the invitation to my vehicle was massive sexualization which she found arousing. She likes to dance with me a lot.

      Later I showed a bit of neediness when oxytocin bonding hit me during my jet lag; she 5h1t-tested me several times over that, yet her attraction to me remained. She asked me to dance a couple of times one night after that and I put her off the first time, then absolutely refused the second and walked off. She followed and asked if she had done something wrong. I initiated a compliance test for her to go outside with me to talk and she complied. She acknowledged the 5h1t tests and apologized. More compliance. Then she complied with a request of mine to dance a particular dance later that night and also with an old request to work on a particular move.

      I texted her and asked her to call back and she complied. I suggested a meetup and she chose a night. Now, will she flake? Time will tell. But I’ll initiate another compliance request that day to add a second venue prior to going to the main venue–which ought to be acceptable. That should allow calibration of her flakability. In any case, my standard plan is to go to the main venue, so no loss if she flakes.

      My theory is that the more compliance I can generate, the greater the requests that I can make that will be complied with. I expect that she will see compliance requests as getting attention from me, which she will perceive as valuable. So, she should perceive compliance tests as inherently favorable. I haven’t seen anyone approach compliance testing quite like this. I originally got the idea of making compliance requests from Victor Pride and have been experimenting with it.

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  23. on December 24, 2014 at 3:21 pm Hilary Clinton

    A Very Merry Christmas to Heartiste, Kevin MacDonald and Canadian Friend

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  24. I don’t know if CH will read this but there’s a world of material here! Boys becoming girls, girls becoming boys, “assigned female at birth”, what sort of fucking politically neutered phrase is that?

    http://www.refinery29.com/2014/12/79896/shiloh-john-jolie-pitt-name-change

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  25. the difference between game and the redpill:

    good looking guys find the redpill and decide to talk to women ==> get laid

    ugly faggots mentally masturbating and spending their lives commenting on manosphere websites before going MGOTW find the redpill and just end up complaining about feminism and how it’s women’s fault that they aren’t getting laid

    THAT’S THE FUCKIGN DIFFERENCE

    GET IT IN YOUR HEAD YOU FUCKING LOSERS AND SJWs

    DARWINISM: IT’S JUST SO FUCKING SIMPLE

    and if you aren’t good looking and still getting laid, you are still a fucking beta, because your woman would rather fuck your good looking best friend while sucking off your resources and attention

    THAT’S THE FUCKING REDPILL

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    • Which lunatic asylum cannot account for your presence tonight?

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      • obviously, there had to be the homosexual comment against me just because he’s an ugly fucker hoping to get laid after years of “gaming” and banging uglies lol.

        Sadly, I’m legit, and you are fucked. Either go full MGTOW and start banging escorts or just accept your beta provider role and use some awkward “text game” with lots of bullshit while reading average females just playing you and eventually bedding them. Then feel the ego boost that will get you addicted and make you get even more pathetic and needy.

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      • Eventually you want to have children with a good girl, or marry an alpha female to form a power couple and get into politics.

        Or take a mgtow chill out route where you may or may not occasionly get poon.

        Or keep playing texting games with women whose age, realistically, rises with yours.

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      • We’re just jealous. :duckface:

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    • Well…

      I got laid last night and it was great sex with a woman with almost perfect breasts. yet I still like to post comments here about dumb women and evil feminists.

      One does not exclude the other.

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  26. From the feed.

    SJW: Using the word “retards” to describe people is not a good thing to do. Your language detracts from your argument.

    Nassim Taleb: Fuck off

    Awesome.

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    • loved that. i was reading danger and play (twitter feed? blog? i don’t recall) the other day (for the first time), and i read a great point about simply saying NO when you don’t want to do something. same principle as above. bullshit doesn’t deserve anything beyond “no” and “fuck off”

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    • on December 24, 2014 at 8:49 pm Whomever Wherever

      NNT said “FO” in public?

      NNT be da man!!!

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  27. Merry freakin’ Christmas!

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    • Of all the drollery witnessed at the chateau, this ranks right up there… far, far, FAR Beyond The Valley Of The D(r)olls.

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  28. […] on heartiste, yareally adds an interesting comment: […]

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  29. krauser’s cheerful misogyny definition is, to me, one of the high points in manosphere writing. it’s the culmination of true red pill thinking.

    “Cheerful misogyny. You love women but don’t take them seriously. This is more than just the attraction phase teasing. You genuinely believe women are more like dogs or children, meaning they are a delight when well-lead and a nightmare when left ill-disciplined without a pack leader. It’s empathetic but not weak or equalist.”

    http://krauserpua.com/2012/09/12/deep-conversion/

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  30. “Game came first”

    No, it’s just that nobody bothered to read Schopenhauer.

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Of_Women

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  31. That Krauser quotation is gold.

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  32. The average guy starts out very naive about women, for all sorts of reasons. And the best teacher (of anything) is always hard experience, the more the better. But for most guys, it takes a LOT of experience for them to begin to see the disturbing underlying patterns that define female sexual nature – because such seeing is always unwanted and unwelcomed. There is resistance to overcome.

    Much of the time, for all sorts of reasons, the extent of experience needed to them to sort this out on their own has not really been available to most men most of the time. They got married young, they got no luck, the locals girls were not skanks, etc.
    You can quote the Bible or the Greeks as a source of game truth all you want; but keep in mind that the teachers we have today of the Bible and the Greeks have been worse than useless in this regard. And will be for awhile, I am afraid.

    As I see it, the hard, m-effing truth is that almost all of the heavy work of the dark enlightenment has been done by a tiny number of bloggers-of-genius and an awake commentariat.

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  33. “Will you give the reins to their intractable nature, and then expect that themselves should set bounds to their licentiousness, and without your interference? This is the smallest of the injunctions laid on them by usage or the laws, all which women bear with impatience: they long for either liberty—nay, to speak the truth, not for liberty, but for unbounded freedom in every particular; for what will they not attempt if they now come off victorious? … Suffer them once to arrive at an equality with you, and they will from that moment become your superiors.”
    –Cato the Elder, oration in support of the Lex Oppia, 215 B.C.

    Red pill knowledge has been around for a long time, but history is cyclical, so the truth is “forgotten” periodically, then has to be rediscovered.

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  34. Iris Gibney’s Christmas-Eve present to her husband Ryan was…. a phone call from a bail-bondsman, asking Ryan if he would sign a $50,000 lien on his house…. to spring his wife out of jail after she was arrested for sexting, sending nudes to, and giving a blowjob to – a 17-year old.

    Ryan did. We need to educate this guy.

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  35. Game will get you killed if you have not swallowed down the red pill/ed.

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    • “Game will get you killed if you have not swallowed down the red pill/ed.”

      That’s a very good point. Perhaps you can teach a guy to attract girls, but what is he getting? Or more to the point, what is he getting himself into?

      Game without the bigger picture is much like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. If that’s all you’re teaching a guy, are you really doing him any favors?

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 3:51 am gunslingergregi

      yea rum I think you right or at the very least in jail
      either way lol deal with enough bitches one gonna kill you

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    • on December 25, 2014 at 8:37 am gunslinglingergregi

      biggest thing to internalize is woman will let you take all the risk and suggest risky shit to do where you take on the responsibility for fuck ups
      woman like dudes who been in jail cause they know they gonna go back lol but while they out will do what it takes for the bitch to enjoy herself till he goes in for two years and she just finds another dude to latch onto

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      • on December 26, 2014 at 1:17 pm gunslingergregi

        like the chick im on off with keep wanting to deal drugs
        says ill make lots of money
        like why the fuck would I want you to do that
        fuck the money for that much risk
        do not be a lamb to slaughter

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      • on December 26, 2014 at 1:20 pm gunslingergregi

        yea make loot work your ass off till the cops come steal it

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  36. I see Red Pill as the grand vision or strategy and Game as the tactics.

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  37. on December 25, 2014 at 3:53 am gunslingergregi

    merry Christmas chateau
    dropped my chick off at a gas station this morning told her get me a dr pepper and left but she found her way back then dropped her somewhere else I need nice relaxing xmas he he he

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  38. Seems like the difference between

    strategy and operations in military terms.

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  39. Xmas eve with some Game study under my belt:

    Me: 45, She: 23
    ‘Nuff said

    Thank you, CH!

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  40. You may have been the first person in the Game contingent to use the phrase “the wider culture,” or to have been a cultured man.

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    • He was the first to synthesize game with paleoconservative politics, or at least the first to get a big audience. Most of the early PUAs were pretty apolitical. If you read general PUA forums there’s still a lot of silly mainstream stuff about equality.

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  41. I believe this would the sort of post where GBFM would rightly put ‘heartiste’ in his place; this post reads like history started in the 1980s or something. That this ‘red pill’ worldview about women is some amazing new things.

    GBFM would of course list the great books for men, the ones that already spoke these truths to us over the millenia, and point out that it was not ‘game’ that is the father of the ‘red pill’, but rather MOSES and JESUS that were the fathers of it.

    This post is really some crass bragging about something that CH certainly should not be bragging about.

    lozlzozlzozlzzzozl

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  42. on December 25, 2014 at 5:55 pm Master Blaster

    The Beta/Gamma’s lament from the incomparable Mario Lanza.

    II Pagliacci (The Clown)

    Notice how she leaves in disgust at the 1min 25second mark.

    …..wait for it….wait for it….1 min 55 second mark…..Greatness….and Beta sorrow

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  43. @Mike
    > There’s a middle ground between the P.C. “women are
    > perfect” and the red pill’ “women are evil” beliefs

    This statement shows you don’t “get” the meaning of the Red Pill metaphor.

    Red Pill is not about whether something is “evil,” “good,” “wise,” “righteous,” “sinful” . . . or any other value judgment.

    The Red Pill metaphor is about what has an objective, reality-based existence, as opposed to:

    The Blue Pill- an illusion- is something that is not objectively real . . . fed to our minds by others with an agenda- others who want to get things from us that are useful to them, not us.

    You will never be free until you achieve the Zen-like detachment required to stop attaching meta-value judgements to what “is.”

    Think about it, these guys whining about women being disloyal, solipsilistic, or whatever don’t “get” that they’re being as foolish as someone who whines about the color of the sky being blue “boring” or “distracting” would sound . . . or someone saying it’s “unfair” that gravitation keeps sucking us down to the ground so hard.

    Women are what they are.

    Deal with it.

    Either engage them in a way that produces positive results (for them and you- no whining allowed and definitely no stupidity like marrying them, allowed)

    or check out:

    There’s nothing wrong with going to porn, celibacy, your job, gay sex, to get fulfillment, if you decide you’d prefer one of them to the requirements for successfully interacting with women.

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  44. @HABD You wrote recently: “there’s no irony in an IOI”. This is very true. I was at a Christmas party. Smoking hot 20’s girl comes in…short skirt, long hair, great smile. She’s alone, beta orbiters swarming around. I clock her, force an IOI, she smiles, eyes light up.

    I shift away. Dance with other girls, some dude tries gaming her, fails. I walk over to her and say: “You look like you desperately want to dance…but are lost.”

    She starts laughing, we strike up a chat. I’m teasing her about not being able to dance. I pull her on the floor. She’s giggling away, then…says…”Your cologne smells so nice.”

    Me: I haven’t showered in two days.

    More laughs. Pull aside, more teasing, then shift to comfort and DHV. She keeps talking about baking and is even saying, “If you cook Thai food, I’ll bake.”

    I pull out my phone, get her to punch her digits into it. Kino her before I leave. More pre-selection. Say bye, text her:

    “So is this the sassy baker?”

    Her: some banter

    Me: Well, if you promise not to step on my feet again let’s go for Christmas drinks.

    Her: Aw…tough promise for me. U ask mylegs. I duno wt they gonna do to u

    Me: Pick you up like a kitten. We’ll for to my club. When your legs free? Sunday

    Her; haha you’re strong, yah sunday sounds good.

    It’s on. Without game I would never have gotten past the giggly banter stage. I made it clear without being explicit I saw her as a woman not a friend or dance partner. She made clear to me she wanted a strong older dude…the “cologne” IOI. She liked that I was funny= I was gaming her.

    Without the Red Pill I would never have done what I did over the past three days: Banged two girls senseless.

    The first is the 31 year old, the second is the 27 year old I met online and whom you counseled me on calibrating. She is mental in bed but wants to make sure she’s treated in a certain way—a kind of exchange…she’ll fuck me as long as I don’t make it too obvious that it’s all about fucking=Red Pill.

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  45. on December 26, 2014 at 7:27 pm gunslingergregi

    thinking red pill should include when a bitch gets you to fuck her
    it means she got you to work
    you are working thinking you won something when she is the one that is winning
    just like if your bitch gets you thinking a threesome is you fucking some other chick from behind while she lays there and gets ate
    again you and other chick doing the work she chillin comparatively
    dudes acting like the bang is the big deal for them when it is for the woman she getting joy out of it
    make a bitch work for you to work
    otherwise she got to do the work parts
    you fucking her is her reward not yours
    he he he

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  46. Haven’t been around these parts for quite some time, but it was fun watching it grow on reddit.

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  47. Illustration of the imprisoning power of the Blue Pill:

    I went with my two sons to visit my oldest friend (since 3rd grade) and his family, wife plus two daughters and one son. Playtime went well so I could focus on observing the marriage dynamic.

    She is a few years younger, but three kids and the obvious stress in their marriage made her look gaunt and frazzled. Large eyes but the angular man jaw. And the nagging! She spent much of our conversation time furiously crocheting a small hand tote while alternately ignoring him or correcting his every statement. And he took it and meekly agreed with everything she said.

    More about him. Outwardly, he should be high status: well-paid corporate lawyer, they want for no material things, children spoiled rotten, he is tall, fairly good-looking and in shape, from what I understand he is not lacking in male equipment. But he is totally in beta/provider mode. It’s astounding, seeing this now that I’m on the Red Pill side of the fence. I sensed something wrong with them last year, but I couldn’t put words to it until now.

    I used my new-found alpha behaviors the whole time; contrapposto, ubiquitous smirk, Putin seating position, plus gentle negs and playfully challenging her on her religious veganism. I laughed in her face about not consuming honey because “it exploits the bees.” I added Pimp Eye Contact to see what happens. Sure enough, the DHV effect works. I was getting the eyes from her, the furtive smiles, she approached me for the friend-departure kiss at kids’ bedtimes.

    I would never, of course, he’s my bro, even if I weren’t currently gratified (as I remarked on Xmas morning post heh heh). I have to say something to him. He’s already revving at top speed, providing for his first wife and their special needs son, and the insane alimony demands he faces. But I have my doubts that he would listen, he has never liked ideas that he didn’t think of on his own.

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    • @Hackett to bits… I do understand. That Blue Pill provider thinking becomes like a drug…or a failing business you keep throwing money into without re-thinking the overall strategy.

      Unfortunately, talking to non-Red Pill guys rarely works. They just think you’re trying to ruin their marriage/relationship and are too scared to risk simple reversal strategies: negging, Agree and Amplify etc.

      Also, the woman is often conditioned by the beta provider dynamic that the minute you Agree and Amplify, they immediately flip out beyond any rational control.

      The dude has to want to change.

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      • @walawala…so true. He’s always been rational and implacable in how he presents himself; he has to show he’s the guy who can ‘take it’. He acted the same way in his previous marriage too: he tried to reason with a woman. Big Mistake. Even after an awful divorce, it’s back to the same old patterns.

        Maybe accepting the Red Pill requires leaving yourself ever so slightly open and vulnerable, and willing to leap logic for a moment. I’m glad I did, as I am enjoying life as the new me a whole hell of lot more than the Blue Pill me did.

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  48. Just saw this comment:

    @f******* Lmao @ “speaking from experience”. That’s clearly bullshit, and I doubt you’ve actually had a girlfriend. But on the off chance this has actually worked for you, there’s a high probability that the girls you prey on already had self esteem issues to begin with. And if you think manipulating their self image is a good way to treat women you don’t deserve a single one of them.

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  49. Game = pick-up
    Red pill = antifeminism

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