Celebrating The Olympic Spirit

Exhibit A:

Olympic camel toe.

Olympic camel toe.

(Hat tip, VK. Naturally.)

I love how so many female Olympic athletes are photographed holding long, phallic objects.

Exhibit B:

Hybrid vigor in action — Olympians hooking up in droves.

“You see more and more couples, there is a lot of hooking up. And it is the mix of races that many people are looking for,” a Mexican volleyball player, already out of the competition, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa. “And with the Russian, Czech and Slovak specimens you see, the material is unbeatable.

I agree with his assessment. It seems the men of the world are coming around to the poon viewpoint — Slavic chicks are the gold standard.

“You have 16,000 athletes in the Village, and it is very likely that some boys will like some girls and that, in turn, will lead to sex,” said Dutch baseballer Jeroen Sluitjer, 33. “And if there are free condoms going around, people will feel like using them.”

[…]there are 30,000 more [in Beijing] than the 70,000 that ran out in the Australian city, leading Village authorities to order an extra 20,000.

16,000 athletes. 100,000 condoms, with 20,000 more on the way. Assuming all 120,000 condoms are used, that’s 15 bangs per athlete (given an equal number of male and female athletes pairing off to have sex, each condom represents two individual bangs), or about one bang per athlete every day for the duration of the Olympics.

Of course, a dude like Michael Phelps is going to get a lot more action than a benchwarmer on the Latvian badminton team, and human nature being what it is, the men will average more bangs with a smaller pool of horny women than the other way around. Usain Bolt might go through a whole box before crossing the finish line. (I wonder if he suffers from premature ejaculation?)

According to British rower Matthew Pinsent, the atmosphere in the Village is “intoxicating,” with “thousands of sportsmen at the peak of their strength.”

The Chinese might have to rename the Yellow Sea to the Milky White Sea.

“People are going out more and more. The judokas, who are already done, the swimmers,” the Mexican volleyballer said. “And there is one place that no one wants to miss, the Dutch House. That is definitely wild.”

Dutch women — sperm receptacles of the world.

One thing I’ve noticed about the female athletes is how most of them have narrow hips, small tits, wide waists, and broad shoulders. This is the classic tomboy build. Here is a good example (minus the overdeveloped delts):

little boy body with hot girl face.

little boy body with hot girl face.

Although she has inviting BJ lips, her waist-to-hip ratio is less hourglass and more cylindrical. She does not have a feminine body, but at least she’s slender. You can be sure a quarter will bounce sky-high off her ass. I see she has the perfect divot above her bellybutton to collect my man seed.

The tomboy is a product of nature; she was born with her androgenized body. The elite female athlete is a product of nature and nurture; her masculine build has been accentuated by rigorous training and, in many cases, by synthetic hormones designed to duplicate the attitude and physique of a man.

Androgenized girls naturally gravitate to athletics because of their higher testosterone and their mannish figures. This is why female athletics as a spectator sport are a joke. Women only reach the elite level by being born with masculine traits and training to look more like men. It’s like watching a competition of substandard men. The only thing that keeps the average sports fan tuned in is the occasional glimpse of the rare feminine hottie (see: Exhibit A).

The more womanly a woman, the less likely she will be a world class athlete that feminists and the mainstream media can hold up as a role model for young girls. This is the definition of ass backwards.  It is the womanly women who should be role models for young girls.





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  1. on August 20, 2008 at 4:53 pm Usually Lurking

    This is why female athletics as a spectator sport are a joke

    There are one or two exceptions to this. one that comes to mind is Tennis. At one point, not too long ago, Womens Tennis was more popular, by some metrics, than Mens Tennis. And there was little debate as to why.

    With the advancement in technology, more and more serves were going well over 130 mph. With such a great advantage to the server, the points were usually short. Also, there was not much competition. There was usually one guy that basically dominated.

    With Womens Tennis, you had longer rallies and, with the Williams sisters falling in and out of the slams, lots more competition. Plus, many of them were, and are, hawt.

    However, with the Federer-Nadal rivalry, things have changed somewhat.

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  2. on August 20, 2008 at 4:59 pm Usually Lurking

    It is the womanly women who should be role models for young girls.

    They are. That is precisely why the Feminists have to emphasize the non-Feminine ones as role models.

    It is the same reason why so many Warriors/Athletes/Firemen/Policemen are NOT emphasized as Role Models to young boys. (Unless that particular Policemen was protecting a female Abortionist from some gun-toting redneck. Then, it is OK.) We naturally gravitate to them as Role Models.

    Way more girls are fascinated-with/in-love-with/idolize Paris/Britney/Madonna(at one time)/Kim Kardashian/Lindsey/C.Aguilera/Hannah-Montana/etc. than Tina Fey, who, BTW, is very good at making fun of Feminists.

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  3. You should stick to giving beta males advice.

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  4. Slavic chicks are the gold standard.

    I don’t know if they are so innately, or if they just lag behind Western women by a generation or two.

    I just took a drive through New England states, and while technically not “flyover country,” the region in its rural, poorer small town areas is way different that the Metro DC scene I’m used to.

    I’d stop at a small town Dunkin Donuts or a gas station, and I’d see the nicest, prettiest girls working there or hanging out. At times I truly felt as though I was driving through Eastern Europe.

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  5. I see she has the perfect divot above her bellybutton to collect my man seed.

    You’re running the risk of being caught in a paternity suit. As has been pointed out right on this site, you nut on a girl’s stomach, she goes to the bathroom to “clean up,” and your wadd ends up you-know-where. 18 years of child support follow.

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  6. on August 20, 2008 at 5:25 pm Patrick Bateman

    Can anyone think of a sport for which female figures are better suited than male figures?

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  7. “The more womanly a woman, the less likely she will be a world class athlete that feminists and the mainstream media can hold up as a role model for young girls. This is the definition of ass backwards. It is the womanly women who should be role models for young girls.”

    Couldn’t agree more. Womenly women should be the PREDOMINANT role model for young women.

    The leading female sport at the olympics should be various sorts of dancing girl competition, from classical and modern ballet moves (a la winter ice skating), to full up pole dance stripping, done with maximum beauty and artistry (real and fake divisions). [Someone will come up with some more athleticized version which will be cool.] Actually the close to that a sport gets, provided those sorts of female bodies are involved, the more males like it, and if you hold the scorn and pressure of female couch sharers and critics at bay (so many indoctrinated males these days, like nearly all of them), the more male viewers like it. Exhibit A would be female volleyball, esp. beach division (beachwear). Pole vault has turned out to be a somewhat surprising other example, though probably surprising only because of it’s usual obscurity. Female running events ain’t gonna get us guys there in large numbers, except for the suckups who are lying.

    But I wouldn’t require womenly women to be the only female role model as in days of yore, more or less. I believe in letting “a thousand flowers bloom” as Mao said (one of the few good things he did say – though he was pretty smart about guerrilla warfare too). Let lots of things bloom but let what’s genuinely most popular on both sides of the gender isle determine what’s leading — that is what organically emerges as most popular, without a heavy leftist feminist ideological indoctrination thumb on the scale.

    The trouble today and for the last four decades is the leftist feminist project of creating “new model women” and “new model men” based on horsesh*t blank slate, “culture is everything and we can change it just how we leading feminist cadres want in a radical egalitarian mold”, rather than “biology shapes a hell of a lot, upon which culture creates further variation and refinements”. Biology however is not dichotomous, not really. There is not a female type and a male type. There are many. What there really are on any given trait (take hight or aggressiveness) overlapping bell curves, one for men and an overlapping but shfited say to the left one for women. Men are on average taller and the tallest are men, but quite a lot of women are taller than the average man and even more are taller than shorter than average men. Same thing with aggressiveness, though maybe with wider apart medians. And so on. This all stems from how gene pools occur in a population — in bell curves. Works best that way. Always some outliers in a pop. in case that turns out to work best in some new environment or eco challenge (and now cultural challenge, but it takes awhile – but not nearly so long as people thing. A few hundred years sometimes.)

    The first step is to break, really break and not just jokingly transgress once in awhile, the leftist feminist PC taboos. Not to “go back” to some religious right world or “the reactionary 1950’s” but to go forward into a better synthesis.

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  8. on August 20, 2008 at 5:28 pm Usually Lurking

    Can anyone think of a sport for which female figures are better suited than male figures?

    Yes, I believe it is Long Distance Cold Water Swimming. And, no, I am not joking.

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  9. PB 6-

    “Can anyone think of a sport for which female figures are better suited than male figures?”

    Most of what we call sport, or what most everyone will agree is sport, is really a sort of play or sublimated or different rules type of war or hunting. No too much warfare that we know about had anything to do with the skills of swimming though so I’ll admit that can be a bit strained though. But swimming is clearly analgous to running, which clearly is a hunting and warfare of yore skill, so …

    But what about ice skating? That’s really a form of dance, and there I’d say the answer is definitely. Everyone cares far more about female than male skaters.

    Volleyball doesn’t make such extreme demands upon strength or leaness that the female figure can’t be hot and still be excellent. It’s also not such a great showcase of male macho prob. for the same reasons. So sorta there too.

    Some of us do and more of us would feel the same way about other kinds of competiton if the age and other rules were adjusted. E.g. gymnastics. Maybe diving. Diving seems to attract gay guys looking a gay bodies though.

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  10. I just took a drive through New England states, and while technically not “flyover country,” the region in its rural, poorer small town areas is way different that the Metro DC scene I’m used to.

    I’ve made similar observations. I think girls with above average looks and average to below average IQs probably find happiness in their small towns so they are content to stay there.

    Of the rest that move to the larger cities, I think 5% are of the extremely talented and beautiful variety and they are relocating to maximize on their potential – the other 95% are average to below average looking girls with higher IQs who aren’t happy with small town jobs and what’s left after the prettier girls have picked over the local bachelors.

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  11. PA

    “I don’t know if they are so innately, or if they just lag behind Western women by a generation or two.”

    As in ever forward towards greater the sexes are identical feminist progress?

    I’d say the wave has crested in America and may be just beginning to go the other way, though so far only in thoroughly unoffical, sort of sneak tip ways. Which Roissy writes about for example.

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  12. on August 20, 2008 at 5:41 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Howdy folks, Dr. Grzlickson again.

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  13. As in ever forward towards greater the sexes are identical feminist progress?

    I’m not sure what this sentence means, but to be clear, by saying “[Slavic women] just lag behind Western women by a generation or two,” I mean “lag” as a good thing.

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  14. Nobody cares about female athletics unless it involves beating up on foreigners.

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  15. PA 13

    I agree it’s a good thing but I’m hoping they don’t ever get to the same place because a) their culture doesn’t become as feminist as ours, though somewhat more so than theirs is now might be ok, and b) because ours becomes more balanced rather than even more extreme.

    I.e. I hope our “forward progress” on the feminist agenda is REVERSED. For a bit.

    And no I’m not talking about abortion rights. I’d allow that in the third trimester. I’d also allow men abort rights, in the way Roissy has described. I’ve thought that for more than a decade.

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  16. on August 20, 2008 at 6:20 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    You can just call me “Dr. G” for short.

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  17. @ 11

    your analysis presupposes that there is this clear split between the “hot” girl and the “smart” girl. there are numerous studies that show how attractive people have an easier time in job interviews and on the job. everyone wants to please attractive girls, which in turn makes it easier for them to advance.

    it’s the exact opposite of how you put it. most people with talent, whether it’s brains or beaty, aren’t content to be the big fish in the little pond. they get themselves to the cities where they can play in the big leagues.

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  18. I’m not a feminist, but I am a gender egalitarian. Gender is so fluid in humanity that really I feel it’s kind of insulting to both men and women to class men or women as more or less manly or womanly based on sub primitive standards. I say sub primitive because more primitive peoples actually have less superficial gender roles.

    If a woman is an athlete, then it is perfectly reasonable, and makes her no less womanly to have lower bodyfat (of higher if it’s a strength sport). People’s bodies fit the kind of activity that they are used to, and in my opinion, more or less ideal has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with quality of life.

    Though I’m no world class athlete, and not the most “butch” (mainly because I don’t like being in a limited stereotype), I am a strong woman, and I like it. It doesn’t make me very popular with the mainstream, but one thing it does very well is attract strong men.

    Some guys see a strong woman and think she’s going to shag them to death, but strong men look at a strong woman and thank the gods for bringing them a woman they can shag to near death, who will like it, and won’t break or see the bruises in the morning and call the cops.

    The Olympic Village sounds like a very fun place to be for strong women right about now…makes me think about changing careers.

    Well, not really. Plenty of buff nerds who lift heavy objects in IT and internet to keep me busy.

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  19. on August 20, 2008 at 8:02 pm Usually Lurking

    Gender is so fluid …

    Is that right?

    Actually, now that I think about it, in all of my readings on the Arctic, African and Aboriginal Tribes as well as traditional cultures the world over, you rarely see well-defined and different roles for the two sexes. Also, with the exception of our sex organs, you rarely, if ever, see physical characteristics that differentiate the two sexes.

    Actually, this is quite liberating, now I can freely dream about being that Princess that I know I deserve to be.

    Once I get my tiara I am going to spike it right in the fucking endzone.

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  20. The setting of the olympic village would great for a porn film. “Intoxicating indeed!”

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  21. I wonder how recent the gulf between Northwestern vs. Southeastern European hottitude is. If you’ve seen pictures of hunter-gatherer groups, the women aren’t good-looking, to put it lightly. (It’s not because of disease, starvation, etc., as H-Gs are well fed and don’t have dense enough dwellings for disease to spread.)

    Then you look at the nations who’ve been economically advanced for the longest — like England — and the women are scarcely better.

    It seems like the sweet spot is an advanced agricultural society with enough hierarchy for the top dogs to horde the hotties to themselves and make sure they have lots of babies. If the group is too advanced, then the top dogs are more worried about ensuring their kids are smart and industrious to perpetuate the family line, since it’s meritocratic. And there are harsher social sanctions against infidelity than in less developed groups.

    That’s why when you look at the wives of a Lebanese or Greek businessman, they’re going to be much better looking than the wives of their English or Anglo-American counterparts.

    This is probably the “lag” PA mentions — wanting a trophy wife vs. wanting an equal. Who said democracy and meritocracy didn’t have costs?

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  22. Gender roles in primitive cultures are based on practical, natural things, not on television shows that tell them what males and females are supposed to behave like. Some cultures are more strict than others, but most that are very strict are the ones who could afford to be. Those who can’t afford to be so strict, aren’t.

    The foolishness of too much emphasis on gender roles, and not enough on human roles is being played out already in India and China. India is basically paying people to keep their daughters now, because they don’t want a situation like China, where fertile women are being kidnapped because there is a shortage.

    Also, even in India, there is a third gender. Many primitive cultures have one. It’s for people who don’t fit into the “normal” classification of male or female.

    In some cultures, the person who finds themselves in that position chooses one gender or the other to live as, but in a few, they’re considered a class all their own. In many Native American cultures, the birth or development of a “two-spirit” is considered a sign that there is some kind of an imbalance in the world that these people are born to correct.

    Still, being female and strictly so, didn’t convince the kings of Dahomey that it wouldn’t be a good idea to have their own vast personal guard of female warriors.

    To this day, the surviving groups celebrate this by encouraging little girls to be strong and athletic. It’s a very feminine yet very strong ideal. In the past they even had body modifications that were designed to make them more fierce. They weren’t called “our assassins”. They were affectionately called “our mothers” because they were like the protective arm of one’s mother.

    With a bit of a tan, the Exhibit B photo would have been considered a hot cookie. A guy would count down to the end of her days of service until he could turn her into a fat, constantly pregnant mom of a slew of warriorkind.

    …but then, it might require a strong west African man to see that.

    Femininity/masculinity is relative to the observer. Stronger men from cultures that glorify both male and female strength, don’t find athletic women particularly masculine. By west African standards, she looks just after girlish and just about ripe to be plucked.

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  23. Or it may go the other way — there may be something causing the men in Greece or Lebanon to prefer hotties over smarties, like pathogen load (there’s a study by Bobbi Low showing pathogen load correlates with an emphasis on good looks in a mate).

    This, in turn, would hinder economic development since the kids of the top dog aren’t going to be as smart and industrious as they’d be if the mother were a hardworking smartie rather than a trophy wife. So, a smaller % of the population is capable of doing pioneering or entrepreneurial work.

    Basically, Greece would’ve overtaken England if the men could’ve kept it in their pants.

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  24. Usually Lurking
    Can anyone think of a sport for which female figures are better suited than male figures?

    Yes, I believe it is Long Distance Cold Water Swimming. And, no, I am not joking.

    You are probably right. I saw a 60 minutes special featuring a female swimmer from England or Australia who held some records for long distance cold water swimming. I think they even had her swimming in Antarctica for that episode.

    I want to add ultra marathons too.

    BTW, most of the white female sprinters who do well in the Olympics are from Eastern Europe.

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  25. on August 20, 2008 at 8:40 pm Usually Lurking

    Nicole, I am agreeing with you. I am well aware of the fact that most societies had tons and tons of female warriors. And what fierce warriors and hunters they were. Often bringing back a large seal or whale for the men to clean and cook.

    =========================

    In many Native American cultures the men would kick some serious ass and then scalp their victims.

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  26. on August 20, 2008 at 8:44 pm Usually Lurking

    Agnostic, I have always been curious about the whole British Women = Ugly thing.

    Especially since the Anglo descended Americans were rarely thought of as being particularly unattractive. In fact, anglo descended white chicks (and guys) were considered quite attractive. Well, as far as I can tell from my interest in history and the anecdotes that come from it.

    I have always been curious as to what role sugar has played in Britian since, oh, the mid 1800’s. Getting that much sugar in your diet does some fucked up things to your teeth and jaw-structure.

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  27. Nicole – Why would they want female warriors when the men would be better? If the men in said society are “stronger men”, then even the strongest of the female warriors would be no match for her male counterpart. Seems counterproductive.

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  28. English and English decended girls are the most underrated girls for attractiveness. That isn’t to say they are the most attractive, just the most underrated.

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  29. Usually Lurking, don’t mind the fervor. It’s just one of my favorite topics. I used to be one of those mighty hammers of fat acceptance, but then I realized I was more specifically one of those health at every size folks.

    Speaking of which, I think sugar is partly responsible for the ugly stick the western world is being hit with. I’ve lived in Israel for about 11 years now, and I have seen a horrible transformation. I arrived just at the cusp of it.

    It’s like all of a sudden, nobody under 40 was cooking anymore, and the kids who were slurping down candy like there was no tomorrow of yesterday (cause their moms stopped cooking) are the pocky faced, oily arsim (that’s middle eastern for chav) and yo-yo dieting frechot (ladettes) of today.

    It’s something phenomenal. Women here used to be *beautiful*. You just didn’t see an ugly Israeli woman. There were many shapes and sizes to choose from, but everybody had this thing about taking care of themselves, and even those around them. Girls even helped each other to shave. It’s just what friends did for one another.

    Walking was fun. I mean, it still is, but it’s hard to find women who still like to walk anywhere anymore.

    So yeah, sugar and the kind of culinary laziness that comes with having too much of it around, can screw up people’s looks on a massive scale.

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  30. Michael, it’s about more than just the strength. Besides, if your females are stronger and more combat capable than another tribe’s males, they’re less likely to jump bad with you.

    Some old folks I knew when I was a kid said it like this:

    The opposing tribe used to know what was going to happen to them based on who they saw coming for them, men or women. If it was men, they knew they might get beaten. If it was women, they knew they were probably going to be annihilated.

    Women were considered to be better at psychological warfare, and reading nonverbal information. What males would need to be ordered to do, females could understand with a look.

    The things that actually distinct males from females are things one doesn’t often see on the surface…and even then, there’s plenty of crossover.

    Plus, just because the women are strong doesn’t mean the men are any stronger…just likely generally strong too. A guy can be weaker than a particular woman or group of women physically, but that would still put him at above average strength for a male.

    Africans who haven’t been overly influenced by Islam or Christianity, generally believe that women are stronger than men, and that this is just how nature is. This belief spans most tribes and nations that I’ve ever heard of. It’s just that the role of men and women (and where there are third, the third gender) are different because women have babies and breastfeed, and generally men and women have different ways of thinking.

    So a west African man can be just as impressed by a strong woman, whether she is stronger or weaker than him, as long as she displays the ability to perform her functions well, and has a good attitude.

    There were Dahomey male soldiers too. Having one doesn’t preclude having the other.

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  31. “This is why female athletics as a spectator sport are a joke.”

    4 letters: WNBA

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  32. on August 20, 2008 at 9:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    Africans who haven’t been overly influenced by Islam or Christianity, generally believe that women are stronger than men, and that this is just how nature is.

    Nicole have you been to Africa?

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  33. I was watching the Polish womens volleyball ( the indoor kind, not beach ) the other night. I got a boner.

    Here’s pics ( of the volleyball team, not my boner ):

    http://chai.moe-nifty.com/english/

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  34. I want to know what type of bodies most of the male commenters here find attractive. Please list three famous women who have the type of body you are most attracted to from the neck down. Just be honest please, and don’t try to impress the other guys.

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  35. Gunslinger, not technically, but I know enough Africans from Ghana, Togo, Nigeria, Kenya, the Sudan, Ethiopia, Egypt, Zimbabwe, and South Africa, saying the same thing, to understand that it is likely to be so. I doubt I’d find any surprises when I do go there.

    The day an African animist or practitioner of Vodun tells me that Yemalla is weaker than Ogun because she’s female, you might have an argument.

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  36. Nicole said:Women were considered to be better at psychological warfare, and reading nonverbal information. What males would need to be ordered to do, females could understand with a look.

    The things that actually distinct males from females are things one doesn’t often see on the surface…and even then, there’s plenty of crossover

    I agree.

    I saw a segment of 60 minutes where they discussed how Israel used female officers in its airports to scan the crowds in an attempt to pick out any potential terrorists.

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  37. Noir, I can vouch for that. My ex’s ex wife used to be a border officer. They sometimes have a male in the entry area, but always have women as at least the second string. This is partly because they’re good at sussing out the bad ones, and partly because if a mistake is made, they don’t want to have a situation of embarrassing a woman by having her strip searched by a man. Here, that can make some women suicidal.

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  38. Nicole —

    Sorry to break it to you, but “third gender” is called gay men. Some cultures tolerate them, others do not. Those that generally do tolerate or incorporate them generally do not fare well against others.

    Hunter-gatherers are pushed aside, easily, by agricultural societies because they can’t fight back. This is as true for Borneo tribesman as it is for Kalahari Bushmen. Agricultural societies in turn are dead meat for any industrial power that wants to conquer them. See: Tibet.

    A lot of “gayness” in the very feminine Taliban guys (who take on gay roles) ends up with women being shot in the head in Soccer Stadiums for showing an ankle or workign outside the home. Polygamy and male hoarding of women (the “Big Man” society) is of course what many women want, because they can have the Big Man.

    But that cost is lots of men without women, who generally make women’s lives miserable, since they have zero investment in them or attachment to them. You can graph women’s freedom to live their lives almost in linear fashion to the degree which polygamy and Big Man-ism is suppressed and the “beta male” has a woman of his own to defend. Western society has always treated women better than others, with btw, well defined sex roles, because it was to the mutual advantage of the beta male.

    Women in combat are a sign of social weakness, like the failure of Africa to produce much more than starvation and atrocities (in the midst of plenty). Among other things, men go on atrocity-inflicting rampages when a woman in their combat unit is killed or injured (the experience of the Israelis and Russians). The success of the Greeks, the Romans, the Crusaders (pushing Muslims out of Europe), Charlegmagne (conquering the pagans), etc. is based on lots of beta males working in unison. “Strong women” = West African “soft polygamy” = no nuclear family = Charles Taylor’s forces hacking limbs off = easy prey for say, China or any other nuclear family oriented society. Women are quite good as interrogators / intel officers though. They generally are good at finding terrorists among crowds, border crossers, etc.

    Beautiful women: Amanda Beard, Amanda Bynes, Kristen Bell, Christina Applegate, Katey Sagal, Andrea Parker.

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  39. Confused by this post. You show tons of hot female athletes and yet conclude something about womanly women being role models? And then there’s something about how crappy women sports are. Do you even know what you’re talking about at this point? 🙂

    Whatever. Hot is hot. Period. The rest is window dressing. Give me athletic camel toe over 99% of “womanly women” any day of the week. I say women should do whatever they please just as long as they look hot doing it. 🙂

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  40. And Slavic women, while the best are beautiful (though not the gold standard IMO), are often too COLD. Is it the eastern europe climate that does it?

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  41. What happened to Sara and Sovereign?

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  42. Whiskey, genital males are not the only ones recognized as third gender. There were/are quite a few females living as males, and many who are happily intersex.

    As far as western society treating women better (implied, than anyone else), I disagree. Anyplace you’re not allowed to chop the dick or blow the head off a guy who rapes you or a loved one, or tries, is not a civil society.

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  43. Working class class people in England virtually lived on sugar and starch for generations, with little protein. (You can find anecdotal evidence of this in Orwell’s The Road to Wigan Pier.) English recruiters were shocked at the miserable physical condition of working-class men during the First and still more Second World Wars; it was worse just before WWII because of a decade of industrial depression. Diet for people below a certain social level remained until some time after rationing finally stopped in 1954. So the looks of the average English person, male or female, were first affected by malnutrition and now by overeating.

    But from the Renaissance to the eighteenth century, travellers often reported that English women were the most beautiful in Europe. That was a period in which white skin, blue eyes, and fair (but not white-blond) hair were much admired, and the English climate and genetic stock produced such women in abundance. Even today, English girls from upper class backgrounds tend to be noticeably more beautiful (and taller) than their more plebeian sisters. Try googling Jasmine Guinness or Stella Tennant, both former fashion models and from aristocratic backgrounds. Or consider the beautiful “birds” of the 1960s: Jean Shrimpton, Julie Christie, Marianne Faithfull, Jane Asher, Diana Rigg, etc.

    Clio

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  44. @whiskey from your choices, I see you like women with big eyes and long eye lashes. There is something of a variety in body types because some of these women are petite while others are tall but overall you like them thin or thick but not waif or lane byrant looking.

    Brandy
    What happened to Sara and Sovereign?

    They met up for a drink and now they are off to Vegas. Love is in the air. Don’t you know that two people who argue with each other a lot, really love each other.

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  45. Exhibit A has a very nice gap.

    The Gap Band (remember them?—-“You Dropped a Bomb on Me) was rumored to be named after the gap underneath athletically built women with flared hips.

    I love the gap—always have.

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  46. Clio, are you saying that Jasmine Guinness, Stella Tennant or Stella’s cousin Erin O’connor are beautiful?

    I like Stella and Erin as models but they are not beautiful. They made it okay to not be cookie cuter and they paved the way for Genna Ward,Ikaline (tp), and Lisa Cant.

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  47. 29 Nicole “Girls even helped each other to shave.”
    === Careful, you’re going to freak out Peter.

    Chic Noir 34 “I want to know what type of bodies most of the male commenters here find attractive.”
    === Most of the male commenters here will find attractive what all males find attractive: large eyes, small nose, small chin with little distance between it and the lower lip…high waist-to-hip ratio, firm-and-ample bust. Ev-psych types would point out that these sorts of traits indicate high estrogen, and thus youth/fertility.
    Anyway,
    images dot google dot com:
    yuko ogura
    jessica alba
    phoebe cates
    BTW, I had to smile at your couching it with “now, don’t hold back, really tell me what you think” … as if guys on this blog would do otherwise! : )

    41 Brandy “What happened to Sara and Sovereign?”
    === Hmm, they’re BOTH conspicuously absent at the same time…and this right after SAM came out on this site as being a top.

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  48. Girls even helped each other to shave.

    I don’t like the sound of that. No how, no way.

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  49. BTW, I had to smile at your couching it with “now, don’t hold back, really tell me what you think” … as if guys on this blog would do otherwise! : )

    Well you know sometimes men like to impress other men instead of bieng themselves. I’ve noticed that a few of the men here tend to do it at times.

    Phoebe was big in the 90’s right?

    It funny how most people have a type that they prefer.

    [email protected]

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  50. New here, and hope to be around more often. As a long time reader – first time contributor, I must admit that Peter makes me laugh out loud every time he writes.

    I need a theme….

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  51. Peter, I’m sorry but in the mediterranean and other hot, humid areas, shaving is just a matter of hygiene in the warmer months. It must be done because otherwise, you’re a walking fungus and bacteria, and possibly a sand flea factory, within half a day.

    I myself prefer to wear and see a luxuriant natural pelt…yet even I succumbed eventually to the reality of the climate.

    So you could be a winter guy here. Heheheh…

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  52. Scott said:I need a theme….for what

    Join in and be yourself.

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  53. Not a student of sociology but can you back up your historical observations Whiskey? What about the Germanic, Slavic, Mongols or the Turkic expansions, shit loads of Alphas there.

    I just wish female sports were designed for females by females…….

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  54. on August 21, 2008 at 2:31 am Usually Lurking

    Thanks Clio, that is what I was thinking.

    Chic Noir,
    – Jessica Alba
    – Nicole Lenz (back in the day, she may have ruined herself with drink and drugs)
    – Lauren Michelle Hill

    I love that lithe look.

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  55. Try googling Jasmine Guinness or Stella Tennant, both former fashion models and from aristocratic backgrounds. Or consider the beautiful “birds” of the 1960s: Jean Shrimpton, Julie Christie, Marianne Faithfull, Jane Asher, Diana Rigg, etc.

    Yech, except for Jean Shrimpton — mmmm. The ’60s did have better looking models, though… and sex symbols in general. Once upon a time, Playboy playmates didn’t look like trannies or Las Vegas skanks, but like estrogen-soaked girls.

    After women radicalized, after gay men began leaving a strong imprint on cultural icons, and after men with no dignity eagerly participated in it all just to get noticed, we’ve been left with the Power Bitch ideal. The French do it better.

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  56. Peter, I’m sorry but in the mediterranean and other hot, humid areas, shaving is just a matter of hygiene in the warmer months. It must be done because otherwise, you’re a walking fungus and bacteria, and possibly a sand flea factory, within half a day.

    Well this settles it … we MUST FIGHT global warming!!!

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  57. Thank you Peter. I’ll be thinking of you during the October grow-back. :-*

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  58. Chic Noir,

    I like ’em exotic, and I tend to prefer the girly-faced yet womanly-bodied vixens.

    The eyes are all-important to me. A girl with the “right eyes” can make my stony heart melt to the point where I become quite forgiving of whatever other flaws she may possess.

    I also tend to prefer big, fat, pouty lips. Especially when the upper lip is so pronounced that a ridge is formed and a shadow is sometimes cast just above it.

    Angelina Jolie, in her younger years, would be a good example

    Adriana Lima

    Rose McGowan

    Someone else brought up Phoebe Cates — I gotta agree

    When I was but a wee lad in the late 80’s, I had a bizarre obsession with the 60’s Italian actress Claudia Cardinale. VaVOOM. Now THAT was a woman as God intended: fully erotic, elegant, exuding an earthy sensuality combined with a child-like innocence and a heart of gold. The prototypical mother/whore all wrapped up in one:

    Contrariwise, I’ve sometimes had a thing for more angular beauties with delicate bone structure, such as Halle Berry, Wynona Ryder or Keira Knightley. That tends to happen when I’m in a waif-mood and am looking for a spinner to throw around the bed.

    TC

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  59. on August 21, 2008 at 5:58 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @41 Brandy

    I have been lurking. Been waiting for some engaging dialog. So far, its been a long wait.
    As for Sara, you would have to talk with Sara.

    But I have it from a solid source that:
    She is virtually done with this place, its too “negative” and “time consuming” for her.

    @47 James O.
    As for coming out as a Top… anyone with analytical reasoning skills would be able to make the connection.

    “Sovereign = Dom”

    As for sara:
    I can’t divulge a confidence or conquest. I’m an ol’ school throwback,bygone era, when “gents didn’t kiss & tell”.

    If it happened, no one would ever know about it, from me.

    In the words of many a Poli-talking Head:

    “At this time, I can neither confirm nor deny anything.”

    As for “phoebe cates”, the young boys wouldn’t know about getting all mogweii on that ass.

    I would love a flux capacitor’d DeLoran trip to pick up DNA of the following:

    (Please Note Russians still make the hotest girls )

    Pheobe Cates Measurements: 5’7″ ’80 measured 31B-23-33 (as teen model), ’82 measured 34B-23-34 (during Fast Times at Ridgemont High Russian Jew Father, Russian-Chinese Mother.

    Molly Ringwald ’85-’85 pretty / breakfast club (before she fucked her carreer by turning down John
    Hughes, who then hired Lea Thompson for S.K.O.W).

    Jennifer Gray (pre-botched nosejob) ’84 Red Dawn, ’86 Feris Bueller’s day off, ’87 Dirty dancing

    Lea Thompson ’84 Red Dawn, ’85 Back to the future, ’86 Space Camp, ’87 Some Kind Of Wonderful, ’88 Casual Sex?.

    Tiffani Amber Thiessen ’87 Miss Junior America, ’89-’93 Saved by the Bell, ’02-03 Fastlane

    Shannen Maria Doherty ’89 Heathers (material heavily mined by Jawbreaker)

    Gina Gershon ’86 Pretty in Pink, ’96 Bound

    Alyssa Milano ’92 Casualties of Love: The Long Island Lolita Story, ’94 Confessions of a Sorority Girl

    Neve Campbell 1996’s The Craft, ’96 Scream

    Téa Leoni ’94 Wyatt Earp, ’95 Bad Boys, ’98 Deep Impact

    Rose McGowan ’99 Jawbreaker “I killed Liz. I killed the teen dream. Deal with it”

    Milla Jovovich (UberHot Ukranian, Kiev) Dad is a Serbian, mother is Ukrainian-Russian. ’97 The Fifth Element, Resident Evil movies, stuff magazine, and Puscifer-Tool song work.

    Perfect Face, A/B cups, Shaven Maven, whats not to love. I will take 20 clones please.

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  60. Niko — The Mongol Expansions, the Turkic Expansions, etc. were all nomadic tribes (ala Attilla and the Huns) who had a strong network of patronage and superior mobility through great horsemanship. Against rather decadent groups like the similarly Alpha dominated late Byzantines, the Abbasid dynasty with it’s harems of the Caliph, and the decadent remnants of the Western Romans, they could do much.

    HOWEVER, even Attilla came a cropper and the Huns a mere footnote to Europe, against the combined Roman and Visigoth armies, the latter made up of free men. The Mongols stopped dead in Poland, where their mobility did not matter, cold and rainy weather made their compound bows fall apart, and limited mobility meant heavily armed free men could chop them to pieces. The Turks twice failed to take Vienna, and end up in bad shape in both retreats.

    The problem with Alpha dominated societies is resource mobilization. So much is spent on bribes/patronage, that any economic activity is choked off. See Latin America, Africa, etc. Moreover, those NOT Alphas (which is most men) won’t fight and die for the Great Khan, or Emperor, or whatever. At it’s peak, Revolutionary France could with the Levee en Masse generate whole new armies to replace the ones slaughtered by the professional Austrian, Prussian armies. If you wonder why the Soviets fought so ferociously, it was not for love of Comrade Stalin or Communism, but hatred of the Germans who sought to kill them and take their women. But most conflicts are not of that nature, and the ability of beta-male societies to mobilize both lots of men, and the men being productive and making lots of technology that provides a decisive advantage, makes Alpha Male societies a dead-end. See: Pakistan.

    The deadliest soldier in Colonial Africa was not Shaka Zulu’s impis. It was the underfed, underweight, British soldier, with his 45 caliber Martini-Henry rifle, capable of shooting out to 1,000 yards with accuracy and deadly effect, decisive in volleyed fire in a square with other Tommies, and far better supplied from England (with cumbersome baggage trains) than his Zulu counterpart in his own land.

    Nicole — that’s a silly criteria. Women in Hapsburg Austria, for example, were allowed to inherit and own property in their own right, walk on the street unveiled, refuse marriage to suitors, were not genitally mutilated, and work outside the house. All denied to Muslim women … today. Let alone in the 1600’s. Women get the best treatment when men compete under fair rules to marry only one at a time, with no Alphas hogging them all. Africa is a pithole of violence and murder, much of directed at women. Principally I suspect because of the failure of the nuclear family to develop there.

    Chic Noir — yes the big eyes are very attractive. Add Michelle Trachtenberg, Sarah Michelle Gellar, to the list.

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  61. I enjoyed the discussion of barbarians vs civilized people, but don’t agree with the analysis completely.

    Gibbons noted in his history of Rome that civilized societies could only maintain 1% of their population underarms as a standing army over the long term. Barbarians have 50% of their adult population underarms at all time. The Barbarians have no trades or professions except herding and making war. So, the Barbarians could face the civilized folks on an equal footing numerically, and they always had a mobility advantage.

    Decadence is in the eye of the beholder. Was the Muslim expansion into North Africa due to decadence of the JudeoGreek culture there, or due to military weakness due to the long war against Persia, which also fell to the Muslims, all in a very short period of time.

    The history of the Golden Horde is instructive. They demanded tribute from the medieval kingdoms in Eastern Europe. If refused, they would attack. The Medieval Kingdoms had a relatively small number of heavily armed knights to oppose them. The main job of those knights was to suppress and oppress the serfs and peasants of their own king. So, they would temporarily arm peasants to go fight the Barbarians. This wasn’t effective and was very dangerous to the kings because teaching the serfs to organize and fight was a very risky and desperate course of action, for obvious reasons.

    But, anybody can see that beta males actually make societies function (think engineers, garbage men, farmers) while the alphas just jockey for power and women, producing nothing for export, so to speak.

    We betas understand this.

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  62. From cameltoes to Medieval kingdoms.

    So is Hu Jintao an Alpha, or Beta, because he used to be a career engineer?

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  63. Whiskey, I’m not arguing that an Alpha male society is better. I’m arguing that a society that raises the bar of what is an Alpha by encouraging feminine strength, is more civil than a society that glorifies and equates weakness with femininity.

    The average upper body strength differential between men and women should be limited only by hormones, not by encouraging female sedentariness.

    Sedentariness is killing western women and making them ugly…worse, unaware of what beauty is, reducing it to mere slimness.

    …and something else, not all of Africa is the Sudan and the Congo. I resent that the first thing Americans think of when they hear the word “Africa” is as ignorant as the first thing they think of when they hear the word “Israel”.

    The whole continent isn’t either Christian or Muslim. The areas where animism/Voudun is common have the least amount of inter gender strife. Togo is a good example.

    Much if not most of the abuse of women in Africa today is a direct consequence of or was explicitly encouraged by Christian and Islamic colonization and imposition of their beliefs…but it wasn’t just Islam and Christianity as religions that did it. It was an unprecedented level of greed, the idea that might makes right, combined with the systematic destruction of previous social order.

    Even though I consider myself somewhat universalist and can see the merit in the esoteric branches of most faiths, I have absolutely no love for either of the exoteric bents of any Judaic origined faith.

    The most simple minded practitioner of Voudun understands that actions have consequences because their God is a great unfathomable force that made Nature without regard for our petty likes and dislikes. The Jewish/Christian/Muslim ignores consequences because their god is a Santa Claus who allows them to presume dominance over Nature, and anyone who’s inconvenient to their economic aspirations at the moment.

    This is the source of most of the trouble in the middle east now, between nations, between ethnicities, and between the genders.

    I’m not saying that Pagans were all perfect, but the ones who view the Earth as our Mother are closer to the mark, and build more egalitarian cultures. Just because someone else managed to win a war of violence over us doesn’t mean they were better at anything but warfare…and perhaps that is a telling thing in itself.

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  64. I’m female, so I don’t know if my hot list counts, but I suppose I can represent for the big booty crew since my opinions are shared by many cultured/worldy men I know.

    I like a variety of body types as far as size. I’m looking mainly at carriage…that magic combination of grace, style, and strength. So here are my top female celebrities.

    Jessy Norman – big, beautiful smile, hot voice. Tore Liebestod up with Karajan in 1987. That’s a must see on Youtube.

    Skin – former lead singer of Skunk Anansie. She’s got that puckish tomboy thing on lock!

    Lenda Murray – the bull rider’s dream girl.

    Angela Ray – I mean…you know…just…cuddly looking. I don’t know if she actually is, but I’d at least try to make her some pancakes in the morning or something, if I had a snowball’s chance in hell.

    Lynne Cox – the endurance swimmer. She has this big cute smile, and is very strong…built like a dolphin and dolphins are sexy.

    That’s my off-the-top-of-my-head list.

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  65. on August 21, 2008 at 1:56 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ… but ya doesn’t hafta call me Dr. Grzlickson!!!

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  66. on August 21, 2008 at 2:06 pm Usually Lurking

    I resent that the first thing Americans think of when they hear the word “Africa” is as ignorant

    So I am assuming that you think, oh, Argentinians are MORE enlightened as to what Africa really is?

    You wouldn’t, oh, I dunno, put Americans in “boxes” would you?

    I will let you in on a little secret: the average person from Ohio spends about as much time thinking about Africa as they do about South Dakota.

    And South Dakota is 1.) in America and 2.) a hell of a lot closer.

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  67. on August 21, 2008 at 2:10 pm Usually Lurking

    Just because someone else managed to win a war of violence over us doesn’t mean they were better at anything but warfare

    You are in need of a little editing:

    “Just because someone else managed to win a war of technology over us doesn’t mean they were better at anything but technology

    There, that is better.

    If the only thing that was needed was violence, then the Native Americans would have wooped almost anyone. They were absolutely fierce warriors (and respected/hated by almost any other warrior/soldier that went up against them).

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  68. Lurking…good LORD, what do you mean “were”?

    Are you not aware that there is more than one tribe of Native Americans, and that there’s no way in hell that Europeans could possibly have taken over the U.S. without their help?

    Same deal with Africa.

    You people honestly think that a handfull of white folks rolled into the Americans and Africa, and “whooped” everybody on their own?

    I want to line up all your history teachers for a spanking.

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  69. on August 21, 2008 at 2:24 pm Usually Lurking

    Nicole, what on earth are you talking about?

    Honestly?

    So Argentina, more, or less enlightened about Africa than us moronic Americans?

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  70. The French do it better.

    I’ll agree to that.

    “…But we never confused the power of feminism with the power of femininity, the power of the femme. Being a grown-up to a French woman means being complete, with or without a man, but still being in love with love.”

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  71. on August 21, 2008 at 2:29 pm Usually Lurking

    The French do it better.

    I’ll agree to that.

    Just remember, for whatever the Frenchies have to offer, they have been getting fatter for a while now.

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  72. Agnostic, you must be the only man on the face of the planet who doesn’t consider Julie Christie to be beautiful.

    Yes, I’m sure many readers here will pop up to say they agree with you. All I can say is, you’re all strange.

    Stella Tennant isn’t the kind of beauty to appeal to many men, but she is beautiful in a cold, hard way.

    Jasmine Guinness in her glory days seems a beauty by most of the standards men appreciate, with her large wide eyes, small features, and striking colouring.

    Clio

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  73. on August 21, 2008 at 2:46 pm Usually Lurking

    …she is beautiful in a cold, hard way.

    That is a great way to put that. Sometimes I would see some girls that guys would go crazy over and I could never put my finger on exactly why I didn’t think they were “all that”. They had a certain “coldness” to them.

    I love women who radiate warmth and lust. It is so sexy.

    Audrey Hepburn was quite thin and with hard angles to her face, but, she had expressive eyes and a lovely, warm smile. I would have fucked her brains out.

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  74. It’s pointless to argue with most people, as most are quite set in their views. For people to change their views requires either substantial discernment and open-mindedness on the part of the listeners, or a radical shift in the world around them.

    they have been getting fatter for a while now.

    Ah, somebody always has to interject a personal pet peeve into a topic.

    I don’t deny that many among of numerous nations are getting fatter, but the particular discussion I responded to was more about “estrogen-soaked girls” vs. the “Power Bitch ideal,” or feminine women vs. masculine women.

    Even high T women can act in very feminine ways due to a good cultural soaking, with what might be called “coyness” or “seductiveness” as opposed to headstrong bitchiness.

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  75. is there anything more pointless than talking to woman about what other women are hot?

    we really do tend to have different standards of attractiveness. perhaps it’s because women lack the… appreciation that men have. i’ve never heard a bunch of guys standing around talking about some girl’s ‘large wide eyes, small features, and striking coulouring.’

    women also tend to be unable to separate whether they like someone or not from whether they find them attractive or not.

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  76. on August 21, 2008 at 2:49 pm Usually Lurking

    Hey, Clio, you always sign in as Anonymous nowadays. I have a conspiracy theory that say that you no longer have you name, and, therefore, your URL, as your sign-in because you do not want most of Roissy’s readers to hop on over to the other world.

    Hot? Cold?

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  77. on August 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm Usually Lurking

    It’s pointless to argue with most people, as most are quite set in their views

    Hope, in general, in a forum like this, you should not hope to much to change the view of the person that you are arguing with. Instead, simply look to make intelligent arguments/insights and let the readers be influenced by them.

    So far, you are doing a fine job. You are not as intelligent or insightful as I am, but you ain’t bad.

    Ah, somebody always has to interject a personal pet peeve into a topic.

    I wan’t looking to insert a pet peeve but, rather, look to un-sanctify a certain group. There is a reason that a book called “French Women don’t get Fat” became quite popular. I love French Food, French Women and much else about France…but, they ain’t all that.

    It is sorta like when people will get into some argument over education and say something like “Well, in Egland they do [fill in the blank] and in Japan they have [fill in the blank]”. People are often representing something as being a little more perfect, if not a lot so, than it really is.

    Even high T women can act in very feminine ways due to a good cultural soaking, with what might be called “coyness” or “seductiveness” as opposed to headstrong bitchiness.

    I hear ya.

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  78. on August 21, 2008 at 2:58 pm Usually Lurking

    is there anything more pointless than talking to woman about what other women are hot?

    I find that when I am talking to “fun” girls, they tend to have great taste in hot girls. But many other girls will tend to focus too much on things like eyebrows or something.

    women also tend to be unable to separate whether they like someone or not from whether they find them attractive or not.

    Damn straight.

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  79. on August 21, 2008 at 3:09 pm Turkeybaster115

    “Slavic chicks are the gold standard”

    what the????? How about Nordic women? I don’t know about you roissy, but for me, once miss Sweden, and Norway show up, its over. This is what a real woman’s face looks like:—->http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/images/sn_legacy/addict/images/Ace_Of_Base/sm-jenny-jll.gif

    Linn and jenny berggren of ace of base

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  80. is there anything more pointless than talking to woman about what other women are hot?

    Talking about the pointlessness of women talking about the hotness of other women? That in itself seems rather pointless to me, particularly because women have done so since they were little girls, likely before men even come into the picture.

    As a 10-year-old girl new to America, watching daytime soap opera for the first time, I totally became mesmerized by this woman. I would also part my hair in the middle and wear it long, after the hair styles that my favorite anime and TV characters had. I hadn’t even hit puberty yet!

    A lot of women emulate the looks and styles of women they find beautiful in the media. They also look up to women who seem to instinctively act in ways that are attractive to men. Part of being attractive is the presentation, and though nature forges women into what they are, there are certain things we can do to make ourselves more attractive.

    women also tend to be unable to separate whether they like someone or not from whether they find them attractive or not.

    Social proof is attractive. Research has shown that women find photos of the same man more attractive if the photo shows other women looking at that man. But women do have an innate sense of what is attractive in terms of symmetry and health.

    So far, you are doing a fine job. You are not as intelligent or insightful as I am, but you ain’t bad.

    My, my. I don’t deserve such a compliment, but thank you nonetheless.

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  81. I’m bisexual, so I thought maybe my opinion would be useful to other women who like women. Straight males aren’t the only ones who like sex.

    …and did you Google the women I mentioned? If you did you might understand why non sheeple might find them hot. Some of us just require more than the stamp of approval of a Gay male fashion designer. We actually look at the women, not the stamp.

    …and if you’re interested, there’s even better fapspiration among the non celebrities who grace us with an occasional performance on the internet. Plenty of natural beauty that doesn’t need a drop of makeup or a wisp of airbrushing to be smoking hot.

    I don’t know any of those women to like them personally.

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  82. #77 Lance
    “i’ve never heard a bunch of guys standing around talking about some girl’s ‘large wide eyes, small features, and striking coulouring.’”

    Then you’ve never read Agnostic. Or, for that matter, some of Roissy’s more arcane expressions of appreciation for female beauty.

    Not all men say “Great tits!” and leave it at that.

    Clio

    p.s. Usually Lurking, the reason why I don’t sign in as myself any more is that I’ve set up a lot of new security features on my computer after a virus attack. Now, if I sign in, it takes forever for my comments, emails, etc. to get posted, or sent. Just entering some websites is harder too, if I’ve got passwords “remembered” all over the web.

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  83. Lurking, the difference between the plebian and the great is that the great don’t use the low standards of the plebian to excuse laziness or ignorance.

    If you’re going to discuss a topic, research it first…or just don’t discuss it. Simple as that.

    Europeans did not colonize the Americas or Africa without local help.

    I bet you’ll freak out when you find out there were White slaves too.

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  84. @83

    yes, that’s me: great tits!

    way to oversimplify what i said. if you knew anything, you’d know that lance is an ass man.

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  85. on August 21, 2008 at 4:24 pm monohechomierda

    Comment 70
    “Are you not aware that there is more than one tribe of Native Americans, and that there’s no way in hell that Europeans could possibly have taken over the U.S. without their help?

    Same deal with Africa

    As soon as the Europeans gained a foothold in North America it was all over except for the eventual slaughter of Native Americans. No hunter/gatherer society can stand up to an agricultural/industrial society. Not only can such a society support a higher density of population per square mile they can also make things like guns. Guns > arrows.

    As to the point of local cooperation, of course. There was always a local group willing to sell out the natives. Partly this was due to the incredible cruelty of the ruling cast such as in Peru and Mexico. In Africa the locals were willing and eager participants in the slave trade.

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  86. 61 SAM:

    Sara can’t leave! Make her–order her! command her!–to return. Now that I’m checking out this place more regularly, I can’t lose her. She’s smart and funny and actually has things to say!

    You must make her return. Exercise your sovereignty, SAM. Don’t want to have to start calling you AM, now, do I?

    I remain deferentially yours as always, despite the exclamation points.

    Patrick

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  87. on August 21, 2008 at 4:55 pm Usually Lurking

    Nicole, Argentina? Yes? No? Any thoughts? Ever interested in ever answering a question?

    No?! OK, no biggie.

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  88. roissy:

    You absolutely must see this: http://scienceblogs.com/thusspakezuska/2008/08/women_with_their_sexy_hawt_bod.php?utm_source=mostactive&utm_medium=link

    It’s right on topic, from the unimaginable other side.

    retired urologist

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  89. That Uruguyan babe would be perfect to use as a model for a statue of Athena. A classic beauty, the ancient Greeks would have fallen to their knees in fornt of her. Check out her other photos on the interwebs. she even looks a bit haughty in some of them.

    The classics have got nothing on her, nothing. See here:

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  90. Mono, do you even know what the debate was about?

    Good grief! I mention egalitarian societies, and all the poor little sheeple start parotting John Wayne.

    Does anyone actually have an argument against women being physically fit and feeling as responsible for the defense of their territory as men, or are you just going to keep throwing up straw men?

    I didn’t realize guys who salivated so much over olympians would be so hostile to the idea of women being athletic and strong without it compromising their femininity.

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  91. I ttok one look at the Urugayan babe and all I could think of was Athena. Just a classic beauty, fine, fit and feminine. I’ll bet she’s intelligent and educated as well. The ancient Greeks would have been prostrate in front of her. There are some more photos around of her and in a few, she looks a bit haughty. A goddess, all around.

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  92. Groveling – 92:

    “A goddess, all around.”

    Perhaps so. (I like her too, without the pedestal.)

    But groveling is not the way to get your “goddess” – not for a night.

    And not for life.

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  93. on August 21, 2008 at 8:21 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @65 Nicole

    The Jewish/Christian/Muslim ignores consequences because their god is a Santa Claus who allows them to presume dominance over Nature, and anyone who’s inconvenient to their economic aspirations at the moment

    What total ignorance of the real faith, in God, and the teaching of Jesus Christ. Jesus never at any time, teach what you are claiming. In fact, he taught quite something contrary to your statement.

    Point 1:
    You have said god = Santa Claus allows Presume Dominance over anyone who’s inconvenient to their economic aspirations at the moment.

    Jesus said: Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, render unto God what is God’s.

    He clearly offended the hearer’s who wanted Rome and her Armies withdrawn from the formerly Sovereign & Independent country of Israel. They felt paying taxes to a foreign government was against God’s will (hence their debating politics with a Holy Man) and very inconvenient.

    Point 2:
    You have said god = Santa Claus allows jew/muslims/christians to Presume Dominance over over Nature.

    Jesus taught that the most important commandment was to love God, and the second one was like that, to love one another.

    Point of fact.
    Love of God will translate in the real world into love of His creation. Its not cold dominance at this point, its evolved beyond that into a mind set of Stewardship.

    Christan’s set up the National Park system to preserve nature from the capitalist destruction of nature found in the US. The national park system was exported world wide from their model.

    Its quite clear, you have a profound misunderstanding about the counterfeits and the genuine faiths from the God of Abraham.

    Like the KKK type so called Christians who blow up black churches, killing innocents and using terror as a weapon.

    There is nothing Christ-like in them, but their lying self definition as a Christian group, misleads the ignorant who seize on that to claim:

    the Real Christianity is evil and its followers are violent murderers.

    When in fact the truth is the polar opposite.

    So before you go around showing your ass, by making Bold yet Ignorant claims, make sure you know you are speaking fact and not personal prejudiced opinion, informed by false christianity.

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  94. Groveling – 92:

    “A goddess, all around.”

    Perhaps so. (I like her too, without the pedestal.)

    But groveling is not the way to get your “goddess” – not for a night.

    And not for life

    Jesus, it is just a screen name. You read too much into it.

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  95. Groveling – 92:

    “A goddess, all around.”

    Perhaps so. (I like her too, without the pedestal.)

    But groveling is not the way to get your “goddess” – not for a night.

    And not for life

    It is just a screen name. Don’t read so much into it…

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  96. 95 SAM:

    Is that you? You sound like “me” that kid over at 2blowhards. I hope you’re okay. Get back to me!

    Your most humble servant,
    Patrick

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  97. on August 21, 2008 at 9:01 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @85 Nicole

    I bet you’ll freak out when you find out there were White slaves too.

    Nice, you state the obvious very well.

    Not I, I know the etymology of the word slave.

    Surprise!
    It comes from the Slavs of Europe, It seems the Teuton’s had a market on cheep forced labor. After going into a territory, and genociding the adult males of the populace, the Teuton’s sold “slavs” to other Europeans for a long time.

    This is the root of the Slav vs Aryan hatred to this day.

    The Irish sea towns were frequently raided for slaves. Louis L’Amour uses this fact as a plot device in several books.

    A tradition made famous for many hundreds of years before the novelist penned his tales, by the vikings.

    The Fyord dwellers in Sweden and Danemark sent out viking raiding parties to bring back:

    A. wealth (to buy food),
    B. food (to eat while negotiating for more food),
    C. women and children slaves (to cook the food and clean after, and sex up at any given moment, and eat if it became necessary)

    Up until the Elizabethan era, when the wasp’s had achieved economic and most of the military dominance of Europe. This era is when the Africa’s were found to have cheaper forced labor.

    In polish, and I think in a few other slavic languages there is a word for “Forced Labor”:

    Robot

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  98. on August 21, 2008 at 9:10 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    98 PatrickH

    She has been slow in responding to my email, and I now have an elite crack team of 13 yo hackers at work trying to harass her into a return to roissy’s den of ill repute.

    Pat, you are hereby, promoted to a lordship.
    Please swing by Human Resource’s to pick up a flunky-slave and the handbook for nobles and behavior.

    Tell me about 2blowhards.. I have yet to venture to that domain.

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  99. on August 21, 2008 at 10:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Sovereign don’t forget indentured servants in the beginning of America. Think of all the indentured servitude going on now with Americans. Shits funny I am basically a slave now. My time 24 7 is owned by someone other than me.

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  100. Usually Lurking-I noticed that a lot of you placed Jessica Alba on your list. I think she is pretty but to my eyes she often looks exhausted and sleepy. She had a fresher look when she had the TV show.

    Agnostic said Once upon a time, Playboy playmates didn’t look like trannies or Las Vegas skanks, but like estrogen-soaked girls.
    -I agree with you. The PB reality show on E will sometimes show photos of bunnies from the 60-80s and they look much better than the bunnies of today. Most of today’s bunnies have had way to much plastic surgery. The resemble bots(tp) more than naturally beautiful girls next door.
    Have you seen French PB, it’s much better than its American version. They use real women and models instead of the fake bots you find in American PB.

    @Tupac Chopra-You have good taste. I can see why you find all of these women very attractive.

    Especially when the upper lip is so pronounced that a ridge is formed and a shadow is sometimes cast just above it
    This ^^^sentence is proof that perhaps men are more visual than women are. I’ve only heard a small number of women write about a male feature in such detail. On the other hand, maybe women are more intuitive, and we think like this without verbally expressing it. I was going to warn you that Adrinna Lima is blk but since you dig Hallie, I guess it’s not a big deal

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  101. whiskey- I like Michelle Trachtenberg.

    I am surprised no one named Sophia Bush to the list or the dark haired girl from that 70’s show.

    @Nicole- Is that Linda Murray the famous body builder?

    Are you not aware that there is more than one tribe of Native Americans, and that there’s no way in hell that Europeans could possibly have taken over the U.S. without their help?
    This is TRUE and it’s a big part of why some tribes continue to war against each other today.

    @Usually Lurking-I’ve read that they are getting fatter but on average, their bigger people are much larger than our own. We have many plus sized women who can’t fit clothes in Lane Bryant, Avenue or Ashley Steward.
    Maybe it just me, but since you think Audrey Hepburn had such a sweet gentle look, why would you be so ruff with her.

    @Lance-is there anything more pointless than talking to woman about what other women are hot?
    Yes, it’s giving us a chance to see how men really look at women. Some women have enough confidence in themselves (me), or are not in constant competition with other women(me again) to make it into a debate.

    we really do tend to have different standards of attractiveness.
    Not really. Many women become catty when you have this type of discussion because they are comparing themselves against the women men list as hot.

    perhaps it’s because women lack the… appreciation that men have.
    Maybe, but every guy here so far seems to name a lot of women with big eyes.
    List your choices. BTW, you don’t have to defend your tastes to anyone unless you are on the Ganon track.

    @hope- I mentioned Hunter Tylo a few days ago. She has that very full lip look that became popular in the 80s. She was so gorgeous but she has destroyed her face with botox or plastic surgery. Have you seen her lately?

    Usually Lurking said:Hope, in general, in a forum like this, you should not hope to much to change the view of the person that you are arguing with. Instead, simply look to make intelligent arguments/insights and let the readers be influenced by them
    I agree.

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  102. on August 21, 2008 at 11:55 pm Usually Lurking

    I think she is pretty but to my eyes she often looks exhausted and sleepy.

    Fair enough. But, you asked for bodies. Personally, I think that it gets played up too much that guys are into “huge tits” and bombshells. I would also wager that most guys here would refer to themselves as “ass men”. IOW, a girl with cute, perky tits and a tight ass.

    And, I wouldn’t be rough with Audrey, I was just playin’ around.

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  103. SAM: Not I, I know the etymology of the word slave.

    This is the root of the Slav vs Aryan hatred to this day.

    Hey, I have news for you: “Aryan” is the origin of the Finnish word for slave.

    That’s actually a continuation of old things. Germanic and Romance peoples are of course are not the slightest bit Aryan while East Slavs do partially descend from Aryans. And really, there must not be that much Aryan hatred of Slavs, considering that Europe’s only remaining Aryans (the Ossetians) just invited Slavic overlords…

    The biggest white slave trade was of course by the Muslims. Funny how we made them Europe’s top post-colonial victim class for our crime of stopping them from enslaving us.

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  104. Usually Lurking
    I think she is pretty but to my eyes she often looks exhausted and sleepy.

    Fair enough. But, you asked for bodiesM
    I did, I forgot.

    And, I wouldn’t be rough with Audrey, I was just playin’ around.

    I feel so much better. I am afraid of ruff men. I know some women are into that but not me.

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  105. Have you seen French PB, it’s much better than its American version. They use real women and models instead of the fake bots you find in American PB.

    Not to mention that … oh never mind, you know where this is going.

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  106. on August 22, 2008 at 3:16 am SovereignAmericanMale

    105 jaakkeli

    The germans of Adolf’s fatherland wanted to totally genocide the slavs. I reckon that its still simmering.

    As for Germans not being Aryan, gene studies show something like 49% of German dna sampled show Indu markers. The markers found in the highest concentrations among the families who were the vedic priesthood class. The highest caste.

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  107. This ^^^sentence is proof that perhaps men are more visual than women are. I’ve only heard a small number of women write about a male feature in such detail.

    Chic Noir, I don’t think it would be wise to take my idiosyncracies as representative of all men. I’m quite insane, thank you!

    On the other hand, maybe women are more intuitive, and we think like this without verbally expressing it. I was going to warn you that Adrinna Lima is blk but since you dig Hallie, I guess it’s not a big deal

    Honey, I don’t know where you got the idea that Tupac would dare refuse the open embrace of exquisite beauty on account of some melanin, but I assure you the reports of my stupidity are greatly exaggerated.

    I see right through people but I am blinded by beauty.

    TC

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  108. on August 22, 2008 at 4:30 am sara short heels

    88 PatrickH

    You must make her return.

    *sigh* Just like any good whore, if a man wants me bad enough….
    I”m starting to wonder though, if it takes a man being artificially high on testosterone to handle my bitch/whore nature.

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  109. on August 22, 2008 at 4:45 am sara short heels

    44 Chic of Renewed Hope says:

    What happened to Sara and Sovereign?

    They met up for a drink and now they are off to Vegas. Love is in the air. Don’t you know that two people who argue with each other a lot, really love each other.

    This is decidedly untrue and I refuse to be the victim of vicious internet gossip. SAM has officially turned me off due to his unnatural attraction to BDSM. And saying the Japanese do it doesn’t do it for me. Sorry, SAM, you’ll never convince me there’s anything natural about bondage. “Normal” maybe; natural never.

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  110. I agree with agnostic, Julie Christie is only OK.

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  111. on August 22, 2008 at 5:08 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @4 PA

    Slavic chicks are the gold standard.

    “good, Priss, now show him why” -Roy Batty, Bladerunner

    Here’s some slavic goodness for you, set to some good music with vocal tracks laid down by the same slavic Icon.

    Boy would I love to make her weep.

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  112. on August 22, 2008 at 5:39 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @111 sara

    My my my… try some aloe-vera for the rope burns sweetie.

    Since when have I maintained it was natural?

    Nice strawman attack baby.

    Also my statement wasn’t “that the Japanese do it”. I said its very erotic, and takes years to learn and decades to master.

    For crying out loud pedophilia has been something the Japanese do since:

    Starting in 300 AD, Kofun period and continuing to the present. Its just one of many things the Japanese do, that I won’t.

    In Japan, the practice of shudo, “the Way of the Young”, paralleled closely the course of European pederasty. It was prevalent in the religious community and samurai society from the mediaeval period on, and eventually grew to permeate all of society. It fell out of favor around the end of the 19th century, concurrently with the growing European influence.

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  113. on August 22, 2008 at 5:47 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Hey peter, You would love the yapanese:

    The club offered an exotic menu of sexual services to its hardcore regulars—and the service started at the door. On entering the club, the customer would be given a hot towel, which the hostess had first of all used to wipe her genitals, to wipe his face. He would then be served a drink of the hostess’s urine on the rocks—the hostess would insert the ice into her most intimate part before putting it into the glass. Next on the menu would be an array of snacks sprinkled with pubic hair.

    http://chapan.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/pee-and-pubes-on-the-menu/

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  114. on August 22, 2008 at 6:24 am sara short heels

    114 SAM

    Also my statement wasn’t “that the Japanese do it”. I said its very erotic, and takes years to learn and decades to master.

    Yes, I know what you said, but figured the shortened version would suffice. In other words, I’m not easily impressed. “Years to master”? Wow. “Very erotic”? Certainly depends on your definition, doesn’t it? Sorry, it sounds extremely stupid no matter the spin you put on it, and I did waste more of my precious time looking it up…with pictures and the whole works. My opinion? STUPID. You may as well give up now and save your time.

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  115. Sovereign, I am very well versed in the teachings of all three major Judaic faiths. Aside of having lived in Israel for 11 years, I was raised by two very VERY fervent “non denominational” Christians, and had the Bible shoved down my throat for 12 of the very scary 18 years that I lived with them.

    The typical response to someone mentioning that the Judaic faiths have produced some of the most murderous, exploitive people on the planet, who have the audacity to call themselves “advanced” (for being so), is that the bad ones aren’t “real” Jews, “real” Muslims, or “real” Christians.

    The only way you could distinguish yourself from them truthfully, is by being esoteric. Otherwise you’re just like the rest, picking and choosing whatever’s convenient to your whims. That some are more or less violent makes little difference when everybody’s just doing whatever their base urges tell them to, and just framing it in socially/politically convenient jargon.

    People who truly trust in God don’t pray to God in request form. That was the forbidden fruit…the idea that you need something that you don’t already have provided for you by nature. Mankind has been screwed up ever since, and in my opinion, the pseudotheistic usually running around calling themselves monotheistic, are the most screwed up of all.

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  116. Sara, BDSM covers a wide range of sexual/romantic styles that may or may not have anything to do with actual physical bondage or striking. It’s a kind of a catch-all term that many traditional relationships would fall under very easily…Marriage for instance, is essentially, a sexual/financial slavery contract.

    So I wouldn’t be so quick to judge. Besides, a penchant for more overt styles may be the streak of honesty that saves Sovereign’s soul to some degree.

    The Dom/sub relationship is acceptance that someone has to be the leader. Reward/punishment in BDSM is often much less harshly applied by partners than it is between living beings and Nature.

    I’ll stop before I start quoting Rammstein again. Heheheh…

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  117. on August 22, 2008 at 8:14 am Comment_Do_You_Watch_TV

    *****
    It is the same reason why so many Warriors/Athletes/Firemen/Policemen are NOT emphasized as Role Models to young boys. (Unless that particular Policemen was protecting a female Abortionist from some gun-toting redneck. Then, it is OK.) We naturally gravitate to them as Role Models.
    ****
    I’m not really sure, given a look at what plays on American TV all the time, what you are talking about.

    http://bitsofada.wordpress.com/2008/06/17/eurodata-tv-worldwide-ratings-list-of-most-watched-tv-shows-in-2007/
    CSI:Las Vegas and CSI:Miami are super big wheels worldwide.

    The CSI and various detective shows are swarms. Throw in the “police are good guys and main characters” in the Medium/Psych/Monk/ect and, I mean REALLY.

    Hell, even “Star Gate” involved a team in which three of four characters military.

    Really, the poster should take a serious look at why he believes nonsense.

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  118. on August 22, 2008 at 8:42 am monohechomierda

    comment 92

    “Does anyone actually have an argument against women being physically fit and feeling as responsible for the defense of their territory as men, or are you just going to keep throwing up straw men?”

    If you look through the all of the anthropological studies that have been done on societies it comes out that around 95% are patriarchal societies. Of the remaining 5% that are matriarchal it’s usually the brothers of the matriarchs that wield power behind the scene. Your idea that women are just as strong as men is just wishful thinking. In primitive societies what matters most is physical strength and women are just no match for men.

    Hey, I love women who are physically fit. However, they are an endangered species in the U.S. The only women I ever here refer to themselves as “healthy” are fat chicks in the U.S. who do some half-assed work out at the gym and then go eat like pigs. My Kiwi trainer jokes with me that the most ridiculous clients he has are American women who always have some excuse, like being fat is their natural state, that they don’t eat that much, or that they really are “trying” during their workouts.

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  119. on August 22, 2008 at 11:23 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @117 Nicole

    My points of refutation still remains that you’ve misrepresented the faith in God that Jesus is on the record as teaching.

    God doesn’t = Santa Clause.

    But since everything in creation’s existence belongs to him, its correct, to ask the real owner for what we have been given naturally and more importantly to Thank Him for having the gifts of His providence.

    The air in your lungs, the beat of your heart, the firing of the synapses in your brain; the dilation and movement of your eyes, as you read these words are all gifts from Him that are taken for granted.

    Its unfortunate that you “had the Bible shoved down your throat for 12 of the very scary 18 years that I lived with them.”

    Fervent or not, doesn’t mean they understand the words of God, even if they can accurately quote the scriptures word for word.

    Jesus made it clear by their fruits they will be known and He said by their love will it be made known they were his.

    You seem to have met and lived among many tares, and never the wheat. Its unfortunate, but the Real God exists, as does is Son.

    Too bad there isn’t a supernatural mark that humans can see, to show each other who is Real and who is False.

    Either you turned your back on the Creator, or you never knew Him, For either one, my heart breaks for you.

    I have witnessed real miracles. I watched a man who was crippled with cerebral palsy, who I had known since I was 9 years old get a new brain. I know who he was, and the man he is not the sick man. His Cat/MRIs show a differnt brain, there is nothing natural about his recovery.

    God only want to give us good things. He made it clear that our lack spawns from failure to ask him, or asking for things that are bad for us.

    He is given more honor, glory and respect when He is given the opportunity to be a Father provider.

    There are some scriptures that you may wanna twist into a Kid in a candy store, Santa God thingie, but to do so is blatantly dishonest:

    Matthew 21:22 “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”

    Mark 11:24 “Therefore I say to you, all things for which you pray and ask, believe that you have received them, and they will be granted you.

    Luke 11:9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

    John 14:13 “Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

    John 15:7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

    John 15:16 “You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you.

    John 16:23 “In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.

    James 1:5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.

    1 John 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

    1 John 5:14 This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us

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  120. The germans of Adolf’s fatherland wanted to totally genocide the slavs.

    Sure, but the Germans are not Aryan and never were. The Germans as a recently literate people had no ancient civilization, so they were stuck feeling all inferior to southern Europeans, Chinese and Hindus and wanted to steal a history by declaring themselves Aryans. It’s not even remotely plausible and never was.

    As for Germans not being Aryan, gene studies show something like 49% of German dna sampled show Indu markers. The markers found in the highest concentrations among the families who were the vedic priesthood class. The highest caste.

    You’re completely mistaken. Instead, the German upper classes descend from the survivors of Atlantis who escaped the destruction on their flying saucers.

    As genetics is now showing, the Germans are not in any particular way distinct from their Slavic neighbours. They are most certainly not closer to present-day Aryans than Slavs are. And for Brahma’s sake, there are no German families who were Vedic priests anymore than there are German families who were Iron Age space aliens.

    It is as I said: the Germans, not being the slightest bit Aryan themselves, declared themselves so and went on to slaughter peoples who may actually have been somewhat Aryan (like East Slavs) or who certainly were Aryan (like gypsies).

    The Slav-hatred emerged from the Germanic borderlands (Hitler was Austrian). It’s the same-old, same-old: those Germans who were the most Slavic covered up for it by screaming about Slavic inferiority. Notice the conspicuously homophobic preaches who get caught blowing some guy? The same phenomenon. And *that* is still simmering: Austrians have issues with Slavs, Norwegians don’t.

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  121. on August 22, 2008 at 11:40 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @116 sara short heels

    You may as well give up now and save your time.

    Give up what exactly? Trying to woo you into something you clearly don’t want and are uncomfortable with?

    Meh, I wouldn’t bother with you. My ropes deserve only women who love to be tied. You see, there are those who love bondage. Its their fetish. You were never worthy of my art & bondage.

    As for D/s, you are too disrespectful to ever deserve an opportunity to kneel before a Master or Mistress.

    As for pain, you inflict enough on your self, and have no need for others to do it for you.

    You do have a semi-sadistic side however. Good luck on that one. You will suffer as you inflict suffering on those others, in your life.

    The above not withstanding, you failed to understand that I am more then just a one dimensional being, one aspect (bdsm) is not expressed in every sexual or romantic interlude in my life.

    There are a very large number of women in my past who got nothing but plain vanilla from me, and were quite satisfied with that alone.

    I remember that you called me “Jaded” because I am outside of your sense of “natural”.

    Tell me, that condom you use when having sex with men, is that natural? Refined from oil pulled out of the ground and turned into latex?

    By that logic, you are just as sexually unnatural and “Jaded”.

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  122. on August 22, 2008 at 12:01 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @122 jaakkeli

    …the survivors of Atlantis who escaped the destruction on their flying saucers

    Sure, Okey, I was trying for civil debate and discourse with you.

    Yes, I am very aware he was born in Austria. So was Ah-nold, but Ah-nold’s dad was a member of the S.S. and genetically they (Austrians) are the same stock as the Teutons of GDR.

    Regardless of where the borderlines fall on a map. Or the Shuffling of country names. What ever became of Prussia?
    Yugoslavia?

    Telling me, very well know facts, as if I was uninformed, like where Hitler was born, is almost insulting.

    Lets broach a lesser known fact:
    Hitler is not the author of Mein Kampf. The
    Jesuit Father Staempfle wrote Mein Kampf for Hitler.

    Father Staempfle, a priest of great learning,
    editor of a paper at Miesbach, spent months rewriting
    and editing Mein Kampf. He eliminated the more flagrant
    inaccuracies and the excessively childish platitudes.

    Hitler never forgave Father Staempfle for getting to
    know his weakness so well. He had him murdered by a
    ‘special death squad’ on the night of June 30, 1934.

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  123. Sovereign, you proved my point for me, about Judaic faiths. You assumed that because my God isn’t a Santa Claus, that I don’t have one, and went on to reinforce what a humanly flawed indulgent father yours is.

    We believe that nothing but nothing happens in this universe or any parallel without the permission or outside of the jurisdiction of the God. It inhabits and surpasses all matter and forms of matter in all dimensions.

    We don’t even understand all there is in the Aye (physical realm in observable dimensions), and can’t even hope to understand all there actually is. So to presume to be able to hope to gain an understanding of God in any way but through Nature is presumptuous and arrogant. Any guess we make, even after visions and relvelations will be false, and anything we try to say that is certain about it beyond what is proven to be in Nature becomes a lie as soon as we speak it.

    So every law we need is already spelled out clearly in Nature, and every prophet, regardless of how well intentioned, is wrong for saying anything about God itself. They should all stick to miracles and charity and accept the blessings they were given without becoming politicians. Leaders yes, but deep down every one of them knows they adulterated the truth for the sake of leading the sheeple…perhaps for their own good, but misleading them nontheless.

    So to follow *any* faith exoterically is to say the least, a bad idea.

    This idolatry however, is effective in some ways, and since no lie told changes what God is, a person’s intent does the job where their intellect fails. So I reserve my anger for those who turn their presumption of superior faith into a presumption of superior worth as humans, and feel entitled to trounce on others in the name of a God they hardly know of or trust.

    I’m just warning you of a potential vulnerability. Read the Bible like a wolf, not a sheep. Both are equally legitimate creations. One is just more convenient than the other.

    Mono, I never claimed that women and men were of equal strength on average. I only said that estrogen should be the only thing causing a strength differential between men and women…that women should not be encouraged to be sedentary in order to maintain an artificial strength differential.

    For men who actually do want to have more viable offspring, actual strength as opposed to potential strength in women would make selection much easier, just as education and success as opposed to a guess about potential based on how well someone can resist drooling after 9 margaritas at a frat party, make it easier to select for intelligence.

    …and though I’m no fan of pseudo fitness, for some, being fat is merely not being malnourished. Clinically overweight people live longer with a better quality of life.

    Tell your Kiwi trainer that I find it equally amusing when Israeli and European women half my age can’t keep up with me for a tenth of my time on the dance floor. I’m 38, and I don’t bring a sleeping bag to a nature party unless I also brought someone to share it.

    Fitness isn’t found in gyms, padawan. It’s found in the mountains, in the snow, in the desert, and in the sea.

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  124. What ever became of Prussia?

    I realize that this is a rhetorical question, but for fun: up until circa 1000 A.D., the Prussians were a distinct non-Slavic, non-Germanic ethnic group, related to the Lithuanians. And along with the Lithuaninians, they were among the last of the European Pagans to be Christianized.

    Except that while there are still Lithuanians, the Prussians are extinct, for the most part killed off and assimilated into the Teutonic settlers.

    Then, up until WW2, Prussia was simply a German province, non-contiguous with the rest of Germany by a very narrow Polish corridor. That corridor, established under the Treaty of Versailles to give Poland access to the Baltic sea, was in the top list of Nazi Germany’s pretexts for invading Poland in 1939.

    After WW2, this majority-German province was ethnically cleansed of Germans, awarded to Poland, and settled with Poles who in turn were ethnically cleansed from what today is Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus.

    Today, Prussia known as Mazury, a gorgeous province in north-east Poland, full of lakes and forests. Ah, summers there in 1979…

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  125. Today, Prussia known as Mazury, a gorgeous province in north-east Poland, full of lakes and forests. Ah, summers there in 1979…

    PA, do you recognize the meadow in the photo included in this post:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/the-perfect-woman/

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  126. Heh. And so many like it.

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  127. Sara: Im starting to wonder though, if it takes a man being artificially high on testosterone to handle my bitch/whore nature.

    You wound me, woman! I am not currently enhanced with respect to the Juice That Conquered The World. I am, more or less, sane. If you doubt me, ask the anthropomorphic Cheerio that Bateman keeps seeing on television. It will vouch for my character.

    And in a completely humourless earnest and non-postmodern way, I deny that you’re bitchy. I find you generally sweet-natured. You suffer fools badly, but so do I. You are significantly more mature and insightful than the children who post here in such large numbers. You and Clio and Chic and Hope are some of the major reasons I read here. Don’t go! For the love of God, Montresor! Just don’t do it!

    And I am relieved that you are not actually involved with the sinister SAM. You represent a kind of sanity and balance that SAM, well, doesn’t. It would bother me to think that you were in his clutches. I’d be happier if you were with Bateman, if you must know the truth.

    The fact is, Sara, that this blog is the site of some really interesting debates (or could be, more’s the sad truth) about modern sexuality and love. It needs the balance of you and Clio and Chic and Hope, and yes, dizzy8, whom I also miss. Come in here and get right up the boys’ noses! They need it, and so do I. This place could be much more than it is (I mean the comments section), and you can help make it that. Keep coming. Clio still does. This place needs you the same way it needs her.

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  128. SAM, SAM, SAM. 2blowhards is a very sophisticated place. Could you handle that?

    I don’t know. But come on by anyway, and see what they’ve got. Not so much on sex as you might like, but some cool stuff. High standards though. Even the R man HIMSELF treads, if not carefully, then perhaps with some thought aforehand when he screws up his courage to comment there. Clio’s got the place sweating to meet her levels of argumentative rigor and depth of knowledge. Needless to say, I fail miserably on both counts. But anyway…

    Dare you, big boy.

    Yours in budding alpha-hood (just don’t be mad at me, okay!),

    Patrick

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  129. on August 23, 2008 at 4:29 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @125 Nicole

    Sovereign, you proved my point for me, about Judaic faiths. You assumed that because my God isn’t a Santa Claus, that I don’t have one, and went on to reinforce what a humanly flawed indulgent father yours is.

    Warning, Logic Failure.

    A. I did not prove your point, about Judaic faiths. Your saying I did doesn’t make it so.

    B. I never made either Assumption. I never assumed “your” god was or was not anything at all.

    C. I never said a Word about your personal “god or gods”. Nor did I state implicitly or explicitly say you didn’t have a “god”.

    What I did say:
    1. You were ignorant
    2. misinformed
    3. You turned your back on the Creator or
    4. You never knew Him. (speaking specifically about the God of Abraham, & Father of Yashua Ha Messiach)
    5. You had misrepresented the teachings of Jesus, and christianity collectively due to #1 & #2.

    D. You clearly didn’t understand the real meaning of the words I expressed to you, as you have made clear with a statement such as:

    …and went on to reinforce what a humanly flawed indulgent father yours is.

    E.
    So I reserve my anger for those who turn their presumption of superior faith into a presumption of superior worth as humans, and feel entitled to trounce on others in the name of a God they hardly know of or trust.

    Complex indeed. Lets deal with basics, first.

    I think I am the “all singing all dancing crap of the world”.
    (I think 99.99999% of everyone else is also) we all start as a baseline of -number value.

    Some members of humanity, learn to love, in response to the Love that was given, first to us (Humanity) by the Creator.

    The more we surrender to that love manifesting in love-centric action towards others, the higher we rise from that negative (pure selfishnesses) number.

    At the point we reach a state of Otherishness we pass zero and enter a positive number, but to do so requires grace aka divine assistance. (commonly called repentance)

    So we have resolved that (A.) S.O.V.’s actual superior faith has not evolved into a presumption of superior worth as a human in comparison to others.

    Ergo, I am safe from your anger. But I accept any display of anger from you with open arms. Please feel free to take it out on me, I am willing/able to love you none the less.

    Note this is *not* a request for some BDSM play, for my gain or pleasure.

    Nor is this is not a free pass for you to continue to denigrate the faiths of Abraham, or spout clearly faulty doctrine, and misrepresent those personal beliefs, that I share in common with great many people.

    This requires no further discussion. I have spoken all I will say further regarding this sub thread. If you are looking for a fight, you may choose to shadowbox. I am no longer before you.

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  130. I don’t know about sophistication, but we Blowhards do try to have a good time. When we forget about it, PatrickH, Clio, Roissy, Agnostic and others kick our asses.

    Hey, sometimes things just …happen. PatrickH mentions 2Blowhards … Hope (I’m a big fan, and why doesn’t she visit 2Blowhards?) mentions Frenchwomen and links to a Debra Ollivier piece about them … And whaddya know: This Blowhard once praised Ollivier’s book in a blogposting praising Frenchwomen.

    Give it a read and raise your Game up a few notches.

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  131. Sovereign, when someone truly isn’t looking for an argument, they simply do not argue. They don’t present an argument (faulty as it may be) and then scurry away like a … why like a startled sheep.

    Still, I get the message. Like most of your fellows, you don’t have the soul for this sort of dialogue. What I said is completely beyond your comprehension because well, if it were, you would be Unitarian or some flavor of Universalist, or at least Gnostic, and we wouldn’t need to have it.

    Nice of you to offer your tender (virtual) flesh for martyrdom though…offering to love me in spite of any anger I may express. However, thought policing is more your religion’s department than mine.

    I’m happy to let the idea of a God who doesn’t need your stinking faith and isn’t the Santa Claus of a new cult’s recruiting campaign promises, sink in for awhile.

    Being from a faith that’s likely tens of thousands of years old, we kinda look at Christianity and even Judaism in the way a parent looks at a toddler thinking to ourselves, “Were we ever like that???”

    I consider that at some point long ago, as they still pop up here and there today, some dude shaking a stick would try to convince people that they can have whatever they want…screw whatever they need, if they follow the teachings of Flimflamsie Doodlebobo.

    That’s right folks, you can do no wrong because Doodlebobo has received a revelation that your village was chosen by God as a special people…

    Then later, someone claiming to be Doodlebobo Jr. comes along, pulls a rabbit out of a hat, and learns how to tell the difference between death and a coma from some Oriental doctor, and some of the original Doodlebobonites decide he’s God on earth.

    Ya know, this stuff happens in Africa all the time, but never so often as since Islamic and Christian invasion…but the thing is, we’ve seen it all before, and it’s just as sad every time. Who knows when the next Doodlebobo’s followers will decide to launch another genocide campaign, or their grandchildren after becoming jaded and screwed up, decide to become 100% materialistic and start hacking off people’s limbs for diamonds?

    Just because your Doodlebobo was big in Europe doesn’t make him any more right than any other…and your Doodlebobo’s followers don’t have such a good track record.

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  132. Hey, sometimes things just …happen. PatrickH mentions 2Blowhards … Hope (I’m a big fan, and why doesn’t she visit 2Blowhards?) mentions Frenchwomen and links to a Debra Ollivier piece about them … And whaddya know: This Blowhard once praised Ollivier’s book in a blogposting praising Frenchwomen.

    Oh, I’m just a young upstart discovering many things for the first time. When you wrote that article (a great read indeed), I was still in college and barely aware of anything outside my tiny bubble.

    I do visit 2Blowhards from time to time, but I am a crude sort, not well-versed in the traditions of any particular culture or the arts in general, but I dabble now and then. I’m more into design, which holds its appeal to me more in the “doing” than the “admiring.”

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  133. Could someone fix that italics boo-boo? Should only cover “Someone”. Sigh. Not that it makes that eructation any easier to read. So maybe never mind.

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  134. Hmmm…luxuriant pelt, pendulous breasts…

    Am I missing something, or was Peter one of those guys who read National Geographic for the articles as a teen?

    (I’m new here, so I don’t have the background on that.)

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  135. on August 24, 2008 at 2:12 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @133 Nicole

    /yawn

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  136. Tsk tsk Sovereign…not a very loving response.

    What would Doodle do?

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  137. The problem with the Olympic Village is that there are many more male athelets than female.

    1) Many countries don’t have female atheletes (Islamic nations, etc.), so the ratio gets skewed.

    2) Many sports have VERY butch women (weightlifting).

    3) Many sports have females that are too young (gymnatics, where the Chinese girls are only 13-14).

    So the only attractive females are the synchronized swimmers, the Jamaican female runners, and a few other European, North and South American, and Chinese women in less physically intense sports.

    So the Olympic Village is not really any better of a place for horny men than the typical engineering college.

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  138. “Can anyone think of a sport for which female figures are better suited than male figures?”

    Synchronized swimming.

    Gymnastics (but those girls are underage).

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  139. That Dutch women, yum!

    Those athletes with the little boyish girl bodies and hot girl faces are to die for. So hot! I’d never get tired of that girl.

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