Fat Or Not Fat?

In one of my series of posts illustrating the (possibly racially adjustable) universality of men’s taste in women, reader Obsidian mentioned the name of a big booty model he found attractive as an anecdotal counterpoint to the observable reality that female beauty is objective and that men pretty much agree which women are hot. He also claimed most black men like himself would find his ideal big booty model attractive. She goes by the stage name of “Scarlett” and she looks Puerto Rican. Here is a photo:

steatoscarlett

I’m going to do something different in this post. Instead of asking everyone together to rank the tank in Scarlett’s janx, I will separate the vote tables into “Black Men”, “White Men”, “Asian Men” and “Women”. (I don’t have too many Hispanic readers. You border jumpers will have to choose white or asian.) This is a sociological experiment intended to demonstrate differences between men and women, and between men of different races, in how tolerant they are of chunks of love on a woman.

The voting:

Black men only: Is she fat or not fat?






White men only: Is she fat or not fat?






Asian men only: Is she fat or not fat?






Women only: Is she fat or not fat?










Comments


  1. The right question is not whether she is fat..

    The right question is whether you would enjoy fucking her.

    A lot of white and asian preference for “thinner” women has to do with their mothers and GFs conditioning them.. social pressures.

    [editor: “a lot of white and asian preference for breathing air has to do with their mothers and GFs conditioning them… social pressures.”]

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  2. That chick is fat.

    Seriously, if I gained that much weight, my friends and family would look me in a room and stop giving me food.

    And I’m half Latina.

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  3. I’m a white man, and I find that ass very attractive.

    However,

    1- She doesn’t really look like that. A booty that big is going to have stretch marks and cottage cheese. They either put makeup on that ass, or photo shopped it or both.

    2- She’s only good for a few weeks of fucking. Booty that big deteriorates rapidly with age. She’s not a keeper.

    Therefore I voted for Chunky, but I’d tap it once.

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  4. the right amount of curves/fat for a man (and female type in general), like the right look/type of man for a woman, is something culturally acquired in childhood.

    [editor: no, it’s not. plenty of studies have shown that sexual preferences are innate and widely shared across populations. maurice, do you remember the first time you sported wood when the cute brunette walked by in the school hallway? do you remember how the blood rushed to your groin, completely out of your control? that thermonuclear blast of lust was a hindbrain reaction. it was as far from a “culturally acquired” preference as could be.]

    people select for potential mates that are like them, their tribe, and the family members they admire and grew up with, especially mom and dad.

    what this means is there’s no right type for everyone, no universal standard of beauty. (roissy’s going to pop in and disagree with me on this – he does it every time.)

    it’s actually great, and in keeping with the god of evolution’s designs, that we aren’t all chasing exactly the same kind of person. sure, we’re all attracted to the halle berrys and brad pitts (respectively), but down the scale into the 6-7-8 zone of reality, personal taste and personal history matters a lot and is determinative.

    i wouldn’t hit this, not if she paid me, but if others would that’s great, and i don’t judge. de gustibus non disputandem. (arpagus, did i get that right?)

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  5. Roissy,

    You are dodging the real question.. if nobody pointed at her and said she was “undesirable” how many men would enjoy fucking her.

    [editor: are you a woman? because only a woman or a sheltered man could possibly believe men choose which women give them boners based on the judgment of other men.]

    The reason I am saying this is because I have a fairly wide range of taste in women.. a lot of preferences are cultural.

    [infants stare at attractive faces longer than less attractive faces.]

    It is about being seen public with an “inferior” or “superior” race.

    The reason why asian girls date white guys, or black men date white women has a lot to do with peer “acceptance”. Though in the case of black men, they mostly want to run away from their women.

    The romans (during the roman empire) saw west europeans as mentally inferior savages, who were oversexed and promiscuous. Their idea of female beauty was mediterranean. Not unlike, how whites see blacks today..

    So what changed?

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  6. I voted her just right. Whether I like it or not, that shape just maxes my blood flow. If she’d stay like that forever, I’d fuck her forever (in an alternate universe where she was a devout Catholic with no prior sexual partners).

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  7. Roll her in flour and look for the wet spot.

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  8. @PA “Roll her in flour and look for the wet spot.”

    The Last Boy Scout.

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  9. White man here.

    It’s somewhere between Juice in the caboose and I’d tap it once; I selected the latter.

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  10. @ed: “a sheltered man could possibly believe men choose which women give them boners based on the judgment of other men”

    And you’re a moron if you believe most men don’t lie to impress or fit in with other men. Only a very few of us – the cream of the crop – transcend that.

    [editor: men don’t date women who don’t give them boners. at least, not for long. and the boner is immune to cultural pressures, whatever they may be. ps how many jelly beans in this jar?]

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  11. Very Fat.

    And Uncle Gabby is right – if you saw this IRL, without photoshoppery, you’d see a lot of cottage cheese and other boner-killing grossness.

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  12. I’ve always preferred smaller asses, as long as her hips weren’t narrow like a man’s. Flat asses were perfectly fine by me. In fact, I prefer them over “booty.”

    Nice legs, small breast, and delicate hands are part of my Perfect Woman.

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  13. Why do so many people act like it has to be absolutely cultural or absolutely genetic? It’s probably a mix of both. There’s no denying we have genetic predispositions but there’s no denying there’s a history of tastes changing with different eras and locales.

    [editor: not really. ruebens was one man. most paintings of women over history are of slender babes or babes that are nowhere near fat. even many of ruebens comtemporaries painted thinner women than he did. and marilyn monroe was not as chunky as her dress size would indicate, because dress sizes have been “fatted down” since her time. now if you want to argue that men’s taste in women changed over a VERY LONG time, on the order of millennia, then you may have a point. after all, 100,000 years ago most women were probably very ugly by today’s standards. evolution and all that.]

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  14. It’s the face that kills my boner as much as the too-wide-for-a-plane-seat booty, for the record.

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  15. on July 14, 2009 at 12:09 pm Backdoor Man

    I’m white, and I’m an ass man, but that’s way too much ass. I’d hit that once, and only once, because I’ve never been with anyone remotely that big. I’d have to try it out.

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  16. @maurice:

    That’s true. Beauty does vary from culture to culture, and although there are face masks and proportions that tell Westerners what is beautiful, other things come into account.

    [editor: again, not really. iman has more facial traits in common with a beautiful white woman than she does with the average black woman. and face masks don’t “tell Westerners” what is beautiful, they reflect what men already find beautiful.]

    There are other factors that come into play on what is beautiful. Many would agree that larger eyes are beautiful, but this is because larger eyes are a symbol of youth to whites. In other cultures (I believe in Mongolia) smaller eyes are more attractive because people’s eyes increase in size with age.

    [sounds false. most people’s eyes decrease with age.]

    There are also evolutionary adaptations to climate and location that affect appearance. Large eyes are found in areas were it is advantageous to have large eyes and vice versa. Asians have a layer of fat on their lids to protect their eyes from the climate.

    The picture roissy used in his Female Darting Market Value test, in which an attractive woman was lined up next to an unattractive woman, has been used on websites analyzing ethnicity and appearance to demonstrate the difference between Mediterranean women (attractive) and Northern European women (ugly).

    That being said, I do think that there is something to beauty, regardless of what someone’s race is. The disagreements are minor.

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  17. @lisa – you have a boner? so, you’re a tranny?

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  18. I second that most guys do care what their friends think when it comes to hotness. Or will at least hesitate to step to a woman if all their friends announce they find her repulsive.

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  19. @ed “ps how many jelly beans in this jar?]”

    “A classic demonstration of group intelligence is the jelly-beans-in-the-jar experiment, in which invariably the group’s estimate is superior to the vast majority of the individual guesses. When finance professor Jack Treynor ran the experiment in his class with a jar that held 850 beans, the group estimate was 871. Only one of the fifty-six people in the class made a better guess.”

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  20. Roissy,

    I use escorts a lot.. once you break the “guy using escort” taboo, you start finding women other than your ‘old types’ attractive. The question is WHY?

    The answer is that you do not care what other think about you choice in women, and your brain starts looking at “hot” rather than “acceptable to my incestuous social circle”.

    While I agree with your views on women’s attitudes and motivations, you still seem to be looking for the one who is ‘not like that’ and still ‘acceptable to a preppy incestuous social circle’.

    I simply choose to not play that stupid game and still fuck hot 20-somethings.. It is about choice!

    PS – You have still not given up on finding a good woman.. why not? Are there any good women anyway..

    I just see them as amoral, opportunistic, manipulative cunts who I require for sex. nothing more.. I do not require their approval or validation. It is all about me!

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  21. @Ed “men don’t date women who don’t give them boners. at least, not for long.”

    But most men will lie about which women they’re attracted to if it threatens to invite negative feedback from their male friends. Most men are cowards in that way.

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  22. @Keith:

    Someone I know was made fun of without cease for dating a fat chick.

    He was getting laid though.

    [editor: rutting with a walrus is not exactly an accomplishment.]

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  23. on July 14, 2009 at 12:17 pm unfrozencaveman

    Yuck.

    /white

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  24. Its not so much the ass she looks like she’s spent every waking minute since she was 13 as a cocaine slut. Not my type.

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  25. I use escorts a lot.. once you break the “guy using escort” taboo, you start finding women other than your ‘old types’ attractive. The question is WHY?

    The answer is that you do not care what other think about you choice in women, and your brain starts looking at “hot” rather than “acceptable to my incestuous social circle”.

    That makes sense. I guess it explains why Hugh Grant can have Elizabeth Hurley (acceptable to incestuous social circle) but will pay money to hook up with Divine Brown on the side.

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  26. 100,000 years ago most women were probably very ugly by today’s standards. evolution and all that

    It would be cool to be frozen and wake up 00,000 years in the future and game “ugly” chicks, who by today’s standards would be considered 11’s.

    Unless what we have today is the peak, and evolution started moving retrograde, away from the gracile and toward the big, dumb and ugly.

    [editor: if the sordid life choices of the lady rains of the world are any indication, the future of humanity does indeed look dumb, brutish and ugly.]

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  27. @Mandy “Someone I know was made fun of without cease for dating a fat chick.”

    Was she shaped like this model, or are we talking blobby fat?

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  28. the trolls that are trying to hide they’re women are painfully exposed here. At least we know that Mandy is a girl and doesn’t know better.

    Try this, you culturally adapted aesthetic types. I am of the age and grew up in a part of the country where there was no Asian culture. TV shows and Movies in the 80’s had asians as punch lines. Not sexy sexy. Yet I find asians attractive (not that I have yellow fever or anything). Culture has nothing to do with it.

    Next, most men end up dating girls that are willing to date them. So, you take what you can get.

    As for historical shifts in tastes of attractiveness, I figure it has more to do with community options (less people = less option) and the amount of food people can eat. People in communities that *all of the sudden* have enough food to get fat may find that people look different…a bone structure that looks good at 5% body fat is no longer as attractive as another face with bone structure that looks good at 20% body fat. It’s not evolution or changing standards.

    Finally, gays and women are the enforcers of social look-standards. And they don’t consume the product that they are standardizing. Hence, some models aren’t good looking and their clothes are ugly too.

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  29. Oh please, that ass qualifies for getting its own zip code.

    While there are time/place/cultural variations in the precise dimensions that are considered attractive, there is a fairly consistent set of proportions/ratios of bust,waist and hips that are universal.

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  30. I just thought of a problem with this test. There are some white and black commenters who love trying to prove stereotypes about each other true. What’s to keep them from voting in the other race’s category to get the results they want so they can gloat in the comments section?

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  31. That ass is so big, it has smaller asses orbiting it.

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  32. It’s funny that people say attraction is cultural, and then for their examples pick out cultures that just happen to be racially different too. If you’re going to make the argument that it’s cultural, try finding racially similar peoples in different cultures, like Asian Americans versus Asian Asians, that are attracted to different types. Good luck with that.

    I was torn between Fat and Chunky, but went with Fat because that described perfectly the times I *have* hit an ass like that, if you replace “Rohypnol” with “vast quantities of alcohol.” On the other hand, as a white guy and a breast man, her pose doesn’t help matters. If my first glimpse of her was head-on and she was wearing a slimming skirt and a corset, I might rank her a couple spots higher.

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  33. And what about hispanic men? My man can’t vote.

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  34. My man can’t vote.

    Of course he can’t if he’s an illegal.

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  35. and that “model”

    Must be indirect proof of God or something because she just goes to show that there’s someone for everyone. For me, OTOH, Rohypnol plus a splint. Aside from slabs of meat on her bones and the “I am a slut” tats, there’s the “model” freckle and over-blown lips. Culturally, Chris Rock had a point about girls like this…”I don’t care, I look good in this micro mini.”

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  36. on July 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm snatch magnet

    Bottom line, if you’re into that, you are a fatty chaser and I have no respect for you. I would openly pity this girl in public, offer her dieting tips and ridicule any dude hitting on her.

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  37. Damn it PA! haha

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  38. on July 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm Backdoor Man

    PA:

    Unnecessary comment about Lisa’s man. Not all hispanics are illegal. Some immigrants (my wife included) are even proudly nationalized U.S. citizens.

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  39. Off topic, but…

    The bitter lament of the careerist female who thought there would always be time for children. Now she’s over 40, and it’s too late.

    By 24, I was a strategist at a leading ad agency. I drove a Golf convertible, wore red wool suits with gilt buttons, and thought I was Paula Hamilton from the iconic TV advert. I remained very single, but I told myself – and my concerned mum – that the mews house and engagement ring would come later.

    My life didn’t revolve around marriage and children. My friends and I were taking our time. We were big kids in shoulder pads, and life was about working, shopping, drinking and having fun.

    When I stopped to think about it (which was never for very long), I could never imagine myself in my mother’s shoes.

    At 22, she’d had me to look after, whereas at the same age I was staying late at the office to check my secretary’s typing or prepare for a meeting. At 30, when she spent her evenings cooking for a family, I was living on cigarettes and canapes.

    The way women’s lives have changed is truly wonderful but, as I have learned the hard way, you never get something for nothing.

    Busy chasing financial independence, I let my most fertile years slip by, never allowing myself to doubt that the love and babies bit would take care of itself. And so I lost the chance to have a baby I didn’t even know I wanted until it was too late.

    TANSTAAFL, baby.

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  40. The 800-lb. gorilla here is not “her” ass, shockingly: it’s the tucked-up (or snipped-off) dick. Yikes.

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  41. @Tarl

    “The way women’s lives have changed is truly wonderful but, as I have learned the hard way, you never get something for nothing.”

    That doesn’t sound bitter.

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  42. Backdoor Man – aw, lighten up, it was funny because her setup was perfect. And intended in good humor.

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  43. @Keith:

    “I voted her just right. Whether I like it or not, that shape just maxes my blood flow. If she’d stay like that forever, I’d fuck her forever (in an alternate universe where she was a devout Catholic with no prior sexual partners).”

    I missed this!

    So, which nickname do you like better: Whale hunter, or elephant poacher?

    MAN THE HARPOONS!

    @editor (roissy):

    “rutting with a walrus is not exactly an accomplishment.”

    For him it was.
    Sounds mean, but it’s true.

    As for the face masks: You’re correct, I just didn’t word it correctly. I think, more than anything, they make us realize it and cause the truth about beauty to surface.

    There are also face masks adapted for each race. It’s not like an Asian woman should look EXACTLY like a Caucasian woman, etc. etc.

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  44. “The romans (during the roman empire) saw west europeans as mentally inferior savages, who were oversexed and promiscuous. Their idea of female beauty was mediterranean. Not unlike, how whites see blacks today..”

    For one thing, there were no “West Europeans” in any substantial sense. To refer to the Celts and Germans as Western Europeans would be like referring to Chinese and Pygmies as Eastern Hemisperians: no one does it because it is meaningless.

    There is a bit in Seneca’s letters (I believe) where he mentions that black Africans were not viewed as attractive by those in Rome. I’m unaware of a similar view of, say, German women. They may not have been held in esteem, seeing as they were barbarians, but that isn’t the same thing; Tacitus says not a few good things about them.

    Roman women (at least the upper crust) would buy the hair of German girls for wigs and whatnot. Women doing weird things with their hair is a seemingly universal phenomenon.

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  45. on July 14, 2009 at 12:35 pm Backdoor Man

    PA:

    Humor is fine. Misplaced malice is not. I mistook your comment for the latter.

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  46. And by telling you to “lighten up” I was by no means making a veiled reference to White Knighting or anything.

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  47. @Mandy “So, which nickname do you like better: Whale hunter, or elephant poacher?
    MAN THE HARPOONS!”

    Awww, don’t be jealous, Mandy. There’s plenty of Keith to go around.:)

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  48. I’m hispanic.

    Would def. hit that a bunch of times.

    Wouldn’t do LTR however. The package is attractive, but borderline. It will get worse with age.

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  49. Besides, if Lisa’s man wants to take it up with me, he can just come to me (ahem!) mano a mano.

    And if I feel it’s something I can’t handle — say, he’s got mucho Cholo compadres, ese — I’ll just shout “Migra!” and everything will be as good as the feel of a brand new Gren Card in your hand.

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  50. @Keith:

    Of course there’s lots of you to go around, you’re fatter than wally the walrus.

    Don’t get up from your office chair, you might cause an earthquake.

    (disclaimer: this was all in jest)

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  51. Here I thought Backdoor man was kidding too. Group hug! (It’s cool I’m in the middle.)

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  52. You border jumpers will have to choose white or asian.

    I’m a devoted hispanic reader. I feel offended.

    Scarlett is too fat. I as a hispanic man like my women plump in the right areas. That ass by itself weights as much as DA’s body weight.

    Now Vida Guerra’s body type is just right for me.
    http://snarkerati.com/galleries/index.php/Vida-Guerra/0043-Vida-Guerra.jpg?action=resize

    She’s cuban too Mandy..heh

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  53. PA your gabacho comment assumes Mexican. Now I am offended.

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  54. @collegeboy:

    Vida Guerra has an AMAZING body.

    Seriously.

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  55. I’m a black guy, and she’s too big for me, but I’d hit it once, for the bragging rights. I would brag about it to those I know find her attractive.

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  56. Lisa, don’t be offended. Grupo abrazo?

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  57. Vida Guerra has an amazing ass.

    I have not looked at the rest of her long enough to form an opinion.

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  58. I’m black and I voted Fat. When an ass is that big, I can’t help but wonder if it’s clean. Gotta be hard to get up in there and keep it clean throughout the day. I’d be more forgiving if she had big boobs to balance it out but I saw a full body shot and she’s totally bottom heavy.

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  59. For some guys, an ass is like boobs, it can’t be big enough. http://hiphopvideomodels.net/BUFFIE/home.html

    Others prefer a little proportionality. But different strokes for diffrerent folks. Even if I don’t find a particularly person attractive, but another person does, why in the world should I care? Why the ongoing need to have your personal tatstes validated? White American guys tend to find women on the skinny side of the spectrum attractive. Hispanics and Blacks tend to like a woman who is “thick” (normally said in a very approving tone.) Great for everyone I say.

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  60. A triple threat–she’s fat, ugly, and sports a number of tattoos. God, how I hate tattoos on a woman, but if there’s one marking she must have it should be the USDA Stamp of Approval for fatty meats on her ass cheek.

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  61. Last week I met anna kournikova and felt bad about myself. This post has undone that damage.

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  62. I would fuck her because I would fuck just about anything that wasn’t disgusting. She’s fat, but not disgusting.

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  63. fucking fat and nasty. flabby, jiggly thighs and ass are not attractive at all. even if she were pretty I’d need to be fucked out of my mind to hit that.

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  64. on July 14, 2009 at 1:01 pm A Heap of Random Sweepings

    A white guy, I’m personally repulsed, so I can only speculate that other men are capable of finding her attractive because the photo taps into the hip-waist-ratio feature, as well as her full lips, both of which, I understand, are apparently universally attractive across time and culture.

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  65. on July 14, 2009 at 1:05 pm Cliff Arroyo

    The photo doesn’t look real. From the waist up she looks a little …. meaty but not obese.

    That ass just looks ridiculous though, a combination of posing and perspective to maximize the size, possible photoshop enhancement and massive skin smoothing retouching. The jawline and facial length here also suggest a Crying Game surprise.

    As for beauty and culture there are both universals for female beauty (symmetrical features, relatively large eyes, small lower face) and culturally determined features. These aren’t huge and mostly involve reshuffling at the top of the deck as a nine in one culture is a seven in another (or vice versa). There’s also almost always a factor or rarity in beauty (by definition beauty cannot be the norm).
    In terms of anegdotal evidence I’ll offer the following:
    – I once saw a Chinese movie about two sisters, one plain and one beautiful that didn’t make any sense until I figured out that the Chinese judgement was the reverse of mine (I’ve mentioned this to a number of Chinese people over the years who all realize where the story is going right away and agree that westerners don’t get Chinese standards of beauty).
    – In Thailand at present pale skin is the single most prized feature (Thais apparently don’t understand westerners falling for ‘ugly’ darker skinned Thai women).
    – An autobiography of a Polish emigrant mentioned how painful it was for her to be transformed from the pretty sister in Poland to the plain sister in Canada (the change was instantaneous though it took her a while to figure out what was going on).

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  66. Here’s a camcorder video of her and her ass, so you can see how much it was retouched. Her ass has more nooks and crannies than an english muffin:

    http://www.bollywoodsargam.com/video_todayfeaturedvideo.php?blockbustermovieclip=Kp3KE2grywg—latest-Big_Booty_Scarlett_-_Latina's_Donkey_Kong_Ass_featured_hollywood_blockbuster_video.html

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  67. well, now, Cliff has some interesting reports. I’ve heard that the young chinese actress is Crouching Tiger was actually considered plain in China…but the polish gals switching places as far as being attractive goes in Canada, eh?

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  68. reader Obsidian mentioned the name of a big booty model he found attractive as an anecdotal counterpoint to the observable reality that female beauty is objective

    Obsi also ‘objectively’ likes dancing around a fire in a cheetah loincloth with a spear, nosebone and bongos, stopping often to stir the White Man in the boiling pot.

    so what. that’s a big bitch

    oogabooga!

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  69. “In Thailand at present pale skin is the single most prized feature (Thais apparently don’t understand westerners falling for ‘ugly’ darker skinned Thai women).”

    They just need to understand that their ugly darker skinned Thai girls are better looking than our pale skinned fatties who infest this land. Add that with a non-bitch demeanor and that nets a winner.

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  70. “Asking a woman her opinion about whether another woman is too fat is like asking your dog to check out a piece of roadkill to see if it was edible.” I did not think of that but I wish I had.

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  71. try finding racially similar peoples in different cultures, like Asian Americans versus Asian Asians, that are attracted to different types. Good luck with that.

    Actually….
    http://www.womenofchina.cn/Lifestyle/Customs/200446.jsp

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  72. She looks like someone I would find wandering around a suburban mall. Hence, “tap once”, but lay to rest with all the other demons in your closet. Also, is that a Detroit Red Wings tattoo?!

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  73. Of course PA!

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  74. Mandy! xD

    @collegeboy:

    Vida Guerra has an AMAZING body.

    Seriously.

    erm – if your gonna post lesbian-crush fap-fantasies – post pics

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  75. Guys liking thin girls is not because of peer pressure.
    It is genetic. The only other variable is availability. If all girls around, all girls you’ve ever seen are fat; you’ll get to like fat girls.
    If all thin girls around you are skinny because of a disease, you’ll associate thinness with disease and prefer more full girls.
    In Thailand if all girls have nice bodies, you’ll end up prizing rare things like fair skin. But that doesn’t mean that ugly white girls are more prized than dark hot women.

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  76. That woman is just plain FAT and gross!

    Now to those of you who insist there’s a cultural component to what men find attractive, I’ll have to disagree. I read somewhere that when it comes to female beauty, the waist to hip ratio is the same for all cultures.

    In other words, women with waist and belly fat are not considered attractive by any culture.

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  77. Anonymous is most right.

    What i don’t understand is how a guy can date a woman with a big ol FUPA. Which is the nastiest fucking thing a woman can have (and it doesn’t look like Scarlett has one).

    A long time ago i was with a chick who had major FUPA. I lost my hard on shortly into it and didn’t get it back.

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  78. on July 14, 2009 at 1:23 pm russell rodriguez

    roissy why would you call me a border jumper for i came here without breaking the law man im not impressed with you i thought you were more better.

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  79. Cliff:
    “I once saw a Chinese movie about two sisters, one plain and one beautiful that didn’t make any sense until I figured out that the Chinese judgement was the reverse of mine”
    Do you remember what movie? I’m very curious. Had some experiences like that in Orient but it does depend a lot. Chinese guys may prize more “nice” housewife material girls, most people don’t even toy with the idea of fucking for pleasure.

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  80. on July 14, 2009 at 1:24 pm russell rodriguez

    do you have a problem with the spanish people roissy???

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  81. Also, this brings up the exocitization of race. A lot of white men I date really enjoy that I’m half-brown because it gives me an “exotic” and ethnically ambiguous look: fuller lips, darker skin. So, why is race exoticized so much when the fundamentals of beauty remain largely the same?

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  82. I read somewhere that when it comes to female beauty, the waist to hip ratio is the same for all cultures.

    Just because one aspect of attractiveness is genetic doesn’t mean all aspects of attractiveness are genetic. Just because one aspects of attractiveness is cultural doesn’t mean all aspects of attractiveness are cultural.

    People on both sides keep using one piece of evidence that supports their point to make gross generalizations.

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  83. Way too fat and ugly to boot. I’m perplexed by anyone that would find that acceptable. She’s trying to look seductive but ends up sporting a ‘tard look. FAIL.

    Cliff makes good points. There seem to be cultural preferences that change perception at the margins but I wouldn’t call it a seismic shift in what is considered attractive.

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  84. A great place to get an honest look at what men find fuckable is by looking at art found in brothels. This approach to data collection avoids the question of non-sexual “handsomeness”.
    Fortunately, there is a fair amount of that surviving from Roman times. The appearance of a perfect Roman whore overlapped massively with what guys in WW2 painted on the fronts of their B17s.

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  85. on July 14, 2009 at 1:31 pm ironrailsironweights

    I voted “tap it once,” though of course that’s just a tentative choice, it all depends on the presence or absence of a GNP.

    Peter

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  86. russell:
    roissy why would you call me a border jumper for i came here without breaking the law man im not impressed with you i thought you were more better.

    i was teasing, man.

    rum:
    Fortunately, there is a fair amount of that surviving from Roman times. The appearance of a perfect Roman whore overlapped massively with what guys in WW2 painted on the fronts of their B17s.

    very interesting. i was unaware of roman brothel art. i may do a post on this.

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  87. S., don’t get all excited. The crackers I know who dig on “exotic” (i.e., skinny Indians with huge…eyes) chicks dig them more for their cartoon-like physiques than any exotic coloration.

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  88. I’ll theorize that what men find most fuckable is what elite men suround themselves with.

    Think hot receptionists at elite corporations (where equal opportunity laws don’t complicate things) or mistresses of hyper-successful men.

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  89. Although, the Persians and Indians that the fellow crackers and I have dated have had far better “family values” than those held by the uptown girls that some DC PUA bloggers complain about. So, that is a plus…to some people.

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  90. S:
    So, why is race exoticized so much when the fundamentals of beauty remain largely the same?

    as men are the less choosy sex, they will often go outside the tribe to fuck women from other races, as long as she possesses the same beauty characteristics that apply to all women.

    of course, the lower the man is on the status totem pole, the lower he’ll have to settle if he wants to get laid. this explains the phenomenon of unattractive men and squirrely betas like keith assuaging their egos by claiming against all available evidence that the heifers and fuglies they date are actually beauties who don’t get higher quality men because of some nebulous force called “cultural conditioning” which prevents other men from finding them beautiful.

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  91. on July 14, 2009 at 1:40 pm Cliff Arroyo

    askjoe,

    IIRC the one who was considered prettier in Poland had dark hair, high cheekbones and slightly slanty eyes (a tartar/gypsyish look that was considered exotic) let’s say she looked more like this:
    http://c.wrzuta.pl/wi5641/5b9667f1001ce4f44883a1ae/0/edyta%20gorniak%20-%20sopot%202008

    while the one considered prettier in Canada was blonde and blue eyed with a homegrown farmgirl look, maybe more like this:

    spandrell, the chinese movie was a dumb kungfu flick whose name I’ve forgotten. I do remember reading that Chinese traditionally like rounder faces fat cheeks and bee-sting mouths.

    and the point with Thailand was a picture of a beauty contest winner and the finalists. For me the winner was the palest skineed but otherwise plainest of the five finalists (by a wide margin). Thai people told me that the pale skin trumped the rest of the package.

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  92. Another bit of Art History that is of value here is the representations produced by the devotees of Tantra, the very old branch of Hinduism that idealized sex. There carvings and painting were all about SEX, Fucking, doing It, Skip the small talk.
    So, look at what kind of images they thought was most ideal for that – 4000 years ago on another continent. This ought to settle the matter, if anyone bothers to look. But not with a work-computer.

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  93. Going outside the tribe to bang is hardly an uniquely male hobby.

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  94. @askjoe:

    Er, but the thing is, I don’t even have those general characteristics. (I’m a size 5/6, 5’9″, average-sized eyes.) It seems as if the attraction is partially for the mere token of being mixed.

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  95. PA:
    I’ll theorize that what men find most fuckable is what elite men suround themselves with.

    and keep in mind that elite men have nearly free choice in the sexual market, so they will choose to surround themselves with only the hottest, most sexually desireable babes. funny how these elites never seem to go for the fatties, oldies, or uglies.

    unless they’re stuck married to one. heh.

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  96. *I didn’t really mean eyes*

    Maybe, S, you just have a great personality.

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  97. askjoe:
    Going outside the tribe to bang is hardly an uniquely male hobby.

    ok, but dating outside the tribe is mostly male. gnxp had a post showing that women are more racist than men in what kinds of opposite sex mates they prefer to date. that is, women prefer dating within the tribe, european backpacking slutcations to the contrary.

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  98. @roissy:

    I’m referring largely to exclusively or preferentially dating woman of particular races, e.g. asians, and blacks being the most popular, in spite of how attractive they are. I see those ads on Craigslist all the time: ‘white male seeking asian’, ‘white male seeking black female’, etc.

    I’ve never dated anyone with an exclusive proclivity or preference for mixed white-brown women (that would be a niche!), so I wouldn’t really know.

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  99. @askjoe:

    Oh, hah, sorry, I was a bit slow on the uptake.

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  100. Wow!!Now thats an ass!!She’s not fat;fat is when you have overhanging bellies and double-chins,those are feminine curves you’re looking at up above.Perhaps a bit extreme,but if you’re jaded like me,extremes can be a turn on.Two further thoughts;classic beauty,while impressive, and worthy of respect and admiration,can sometimes be cold and unappealing,whereas “sexiness” is a somewhat indefineable quality that can exist independently of,and even absent,strict canons of symmetricality.This is why airbrushed Playboy centerfolds are sometimes less desireable than Hustler-like raunch.Also,variety has an appeal all its own.A narrow focus on any physical type leads to sateity and boredom.Curves are Queen!Latinas and Africanas definitely have them in abundance.

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  101. russell rodriguez

    do you have a problem with the spanish people roissy???

    it’s their touchy, bad tempers that scare whitey

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  102. S.

    A lot of white men I date really enjoy that I’m half-brown because it gives me an “exotic” and ethnically ambiguous look: fuller lips, darker skin.

    you read my mind chica – i have mucho fantasy. I want to enjoy you cleaning my house then be nominated to the Supreme Court.

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  103. I’m referring largely to exclusively or preferentially dating woman of particular races, e.g. asians, and blacks being the most popular, in spite of how attractive they are.

    these fetishistic men do exist, though not in the numbers the anti-white male mass media would have you believe. male fetishists of any stripe are more common than female fetishists because males are more variable than females on a whole host of traits, but men for whom only one race or ethnicity of woman is acceptable for fucking are probably no more common than men for whom buttplugs are an acceptable accoutrement to lovemaking.

    also, male fetishists of exotic women tend to be men who have failed in finding a partner of their own race.

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  104. on July 14, 2009 at 1:51 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Where is Obesedian anyway? The preference that black men have for fat ladies has been an oft-discussed subject before. So now that the spotlight has shone on this subject…..

    It is well established that in African tradition, the three major beasts of Africa (elephant, rhinoceros, hippopotamus) are admired for their might, lack of natural predators, and ability to survive scarcity.

    Hence, even centuries after departing Africa, black men prefer women who resemble the great beasts of Africa in size, shape, color, and texture. It makes sense from a resource management point of view.

    Hence, we see the phenomenon of the fat fetish that black men exhibit. David Alexander has concurred with this.

    However, while this may appear to be a social service that helps fat women, it is bad for men. If black men were to demand higher standards from women, and refrain from fucking fatties, more women would put effort into staying slim. The knowledge that no matter how fat a woman gets, a black man will still fuck her, relieves her from the pressure to be slim that ought to be on her.

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  105. @Firepower:

    Wrong brown, nice try.

    @Roissy:

    Yeah, I suppose it would be akin to any other sort of ultra-streamlined fetish, though again, it does seem like racial fetishists are far more common than say,people who are into piss-play. But, it’s true and granted, most losers (the most losery of the bunch) tend to fetishize in these ways.

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  106. total votes so far:

    345 white men (71%)
    50 black men (10%)
    43 asian men (10%)
    49 women (10%)

    Pupu expected higher percentage from female readers. Perhaps, women do not like voting…

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  107. on July 14, 2009 at 1:56 pm GNPs are for Apes

    The voting results thus far do indeed show that black men have a significant fattie fetish in relation to white and Asian men. Obesedian is not alone.

    Again, white and Asian men did not grow up in a pre-agricultural ecosystem where the largest creatures on Earth were admired.

    This also is destined to happen to David Alexander in the near future.

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  108. on July 14, 2009 at 1:58 pm russell rodriguez

    “i was teasing, man.”

    oh ok roissy sorry about that man, its just that ive been through a lot of bad thing lately because of where i come from and my english skills even im taking english classes that i saw on the train.

    “it’s their touchy, bad tempers that scare whitey”

    temper? what does temper mean please?

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  109. on July 14, 2009 at 1:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Backdoor Man
    I’m white, and I’m an ass man, but that’s way too much ass. I’d hit that once, and only once, because I’ve never been with anyone remotely that big. I’d have to try it out.””””””””””””’

    I did try it out and lifting those legs and finding that hole is a challenge but once accomplished one time, you can mark it off list and move on.

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  110. Once again, asking women about this is like relying on your dog to evaluate the taste of road-kill. Buyer beware.

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  111. asian men 43 (9%)

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  112. S.

    @Firepower:

    Wrong brown, nice try.

    thx. you all look alike to me. the 19 years of Grad School you referred to should’ve tipped me off.

    you’ll still make the perfect nanny

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  113. S:
    it does seem like racial fetishists are far more common than say,people who are into piss-play.

    maybe. but note that i said “fucking” and not “dating” when i described the rarity of true male fetishists of exotic women. men who would only *fuck* women of one particular race are probably a lot rarer than men who would only *date* women of a particular race. simply put, the bar for fucking is lower than the bar for long term dating, as dating introduces more variables than simply how well the woman inspires the man’s boner. marriage introduces a higher bar still, which i why i have argued that the women men marry are an approximation of what kinds of women most turn men on.

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  114. on July 14, 2009 at 2:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””PA
    That ass is so big, it has smaller asses orbiting it””””””’

    omg hahhahhahahahhahahah

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  115. S.:
    “So, why is race exoticized so much when the fundamentals of beauty remain largely the same?”

    Personally, I think that the ubiquity of hot white girls on TV is responsible for this. Pre-TV, the hot white girl was a not too common sight. Now that you see 50 a day on TV, the hot non-white girl gets more second looks in real life.

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  116. on July 14, 2009 at 2:09 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Is it me, or is Peter’s GNP ban being applied unevenly?

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  117. on July 14, 2009 at 2:10 pm A Heap of Random Sweepings

    [I]t’s largely men who are paraphiliacs, people with odd or deviant sexual desires. Strange: shouldn’t women, whose desires arise from the imagination, have the broader range of sexual interests?

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-practice/200901/perversion-and-the-mystery-sexual-desire

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  118. …which i why i have argued that the women men marry are an approximation of what kinds of women most turn men on.

    Actually, I think the opposite would be true. The women that guys fuck is the best way to see what turns a guy on. The answer is…pretty much any female, of any race, shape, or beauty.

    Marriage is the way to see what is most socially acceptable for a guy to be with at any particular point in the cultural history of a society. A guy may be into fatties, but if he can’t introduce her to his fellow law firm partners, he ain’t marrying her. He may will marry Ms. Anna Rexia, and probably still try to keep his fatties on the side. The wife will tearfully wonder why he cheated on her with *that*.

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  119. on July 14, 2009 at 2:15 pm L'Emmerdeur

    As I suspected, the women seem to be the harshest critics. A guy imagines tapping that, a woman imagines being that.

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  120. I thank Roissy for posting this topic. It’s a good one, and raises sme interesting questions…

    The first being, that since we all know this is a White venue, in the main, we really do not know what most African American and Hispanic (namely Puerto Rican, as Scarlett is-she’s an American citizen, fools!) Men truly find attractive. I would like to suggest that Roissy take this very same pic of Scarlett and go onto say, Z Street in Chocolate City, go into the barbershops, and just talk to Brothas on the street, hold this pic up to them and simply ask: Hit, or No Hit?

    And report back the results.

    Should be easy for him to find say, 100 Brothas, yes? Oh, and let’s be clear here: no muddying the data-we’ll be dealing w/clearly BLACK Washington, DC. No “honoarary White” Blackmen, OK?

    I submit that there is both an HBD *and* cultural element in our examination here, and which consistently runs afoul of the attempts by some, like Roissy, to once again say there is ONLY *one* way to evaulate beauty or in some other way there is only one beauty standard; there is not.
    What he and others here can say, is that THEY do not find Scarlett sexually attractive; that’s fine-just like I dint find 99% of Asian Women, who tend to have asses as flat as ironing boards, sexually attractive, or their White Nordic counterparts, sexually attractive, in the main. Yet, you rarely if ever hear me attempting to putdown my White brothers for their professed sexual preferences in a Woman. I merely accept that as their preferences, and leave it at that. I don’t need to take shots at them because I don’t agree. Doing such a thing isn’t being politically incorrect; its just downright being a jerk.

    Finally, we all know that White Men as a rule are much more sensitive about what other people will think of who they chose to keep company with, which again skews the “data” here. I suspect that more White guys who are willing to openly admit would indeed tap Scarlett’s big booty if they could do so w/o anyone they know finding out about it. As for myself, I couldn’t give a Scarlett-sized fat rat’s ass as to what anyone thinks of who I chose to spend my time with-and any Man who does, is in my view, not a Man, but a boy, who hasn’t yet grown up.

    Time to put in some real fieldwork in, Roissy.

    Looking forward to the results.

    The Obsidian

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  121. Actually, I think the opposite would be true. The women that guys fuck is the best way to see what turns a guy on. The answer is…pretty much any female, of any race, shape, or beauty.

    Marriage is the way to see what is most socially acceptable for a guy to be with at any particular point in the cultural history of a society. A guy may be into fatties, but if he can’t introduce her to his fellow law firm partners, he ain’t marrying her.

    Great point, marriage is much more a sign of peer approval seeking than illicit sexual relations are. You lost me when you claimed they’d keep fatties on the side though. I don’t know if I’d go that far.

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  122. on July 14, 2009 at 2:17 pm Lawyer from Hell

    S. wrote:

    “Also, this brings up the exocitization of race. A lot of white men I date really enjoy that I’m half-brown because it gives me an “exotic” and ethnically ambiguous look: fuller lips, darker skin. So, why is race exoticized so much when the fundamentals of beauty remain largely the same?”

    It’s called being bad, naughty, taboo. Whatever word you have for it. Sex that is bad, dangerous, taboo, (see Roissy’s cementary location in the prior post) is 5 times better than vanilla sex.

    Works for both genders.

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  123. on July 14, 2009 at 2:18 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Testosterone is going to be a factor here.

    I guarantee that if we took the commenters who said “eww fat” and put them on-cycle on some good steroids or prohormones, very very few of them would still vote “eww fat”.

    Worth trying.

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  124. Anonymous

    The odds that you are anything but a fat female stand at zero.
    If men are really like you say, then you have nothing to worry about in terms of attracting the very best quality men.

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  125. “Yet, you rarely if ever hear me attempting to putdown my White brothers for their professed sexual preferences in a Woman. I merely accept that as their preferences, and leave it at that.”

    Good point.

    “. I suspect that more White guys who are willing to openly admit would indeed tap Scarlett’s big booty if they could do so w/o anyone they know finding out about it.”

    Here,here!My thoughts exactly.

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  126. on July 14, 2009 at 2:21 pm Seeking Alpha

    probably still try to keep his fatties on the side

    Give me a break… how many times does this happen?

    A girl with a bit of chub who’s a freak? Maybe. A full on fattie? 1 in a 1000 odds that that’s who the law firm partner is cheating with.

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  127. on July 14, 2009 at 2:25 pm A Heap of Random Sweepings

    Epoxytocin No. 87:

    I, for one, obviously have plenty high T (with all the telltale signs: digit ratio, hip-waist ratio, jaw, brow, height, and disdain of anyone so pathetic as to indulge in T “treatments” [my advice: drop the weights and start daily distance running]) and I find woman in the photo utterly “eww fat”…

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  128. anon:
    Actually, I think the opposite would be true. The women that guys fuck is the best way to see what turns a guy on. The answer is…pretty much any female, of any race, shape, or beauty.

    you are forgetting the factor of free choice. men with free choice in the sexual market (that is, they are desired by the women they desire most) will fuck hotties. most men do not have this free choice and that is why you see them dumpster diving occasionally. this is also why men are much more careful when choosing a woman for a wife, as there is no turning back from that decision without major consequences. however, what men choose in a wife is based on more variables than how hard she makes his dick. for instance, her slutty past, her generosity, and her princessitude. not to mention other variables like race and social class.

    Marriage is the way to see what is most socially acceptable for a guy to be with at any particular point in the cultural history of a society.

    let’s not get carried away with the pop sociology. men will still choose the most attractive women they can get for a wife, given that she meets a number of other conditions that make her suitable for long term commitment.

    A guy may be into fatties, but if he can’t introduce her to his fellow law firm partners, he ain’t marrying her.

    most men don’t find fatties sexually attractive. that is why they don’t marry them.

    He may will marry Ms. Anna Rexia,

    anna rexia? you just gave it away. so… just how fat are you, anon?

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  129. Epoxytocin No. 87

    “eww fat” is only a choice for us gals. We are low in T compared to you guyz. So you are correct by default 🙂

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  130. on July 14, 2009 at 2:29 pm Seeking Alpha

    “I suspect that more White guys who are willing to openly admit would indeed tap Scarlett’s big booty if they could do so w/o anyone they know finding out about it.”

    Well this has already been answered… no one knows who voted what. Yet the vast majority answered this anonymous survey in the lower half of the answers.

    Personally, I voted ‘Chunky…once’. I was leaning towards Roofie’d with a cold streak but then I took a second look at those DSLs and decided it might be worth a try just for kicks.

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  131. on July 14, 2009 at 2:30 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Heap

    You do know that distance running lowers testosterone, right?
    By a shitload?

    Only a good thing to do if you want lots of daughters.

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  132. Was Ms. Belle Emmia Ms. Rexia’s equally hot college sorority sister?

    Total fat chick, jumping to label someone who makes her feel bad.

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  133. epoxy:
    Testosterone is going to be a factor here.

    I guarantee that if we took the commenters who said “eww fat” and put them on-cycle on some good steroids or prohormones, very very few of them would still vote “eww fat”.

    if anything, it goes in the opposite direction you think it goes. high T men *with options* will more likely choose hot slender babes. low T men are likely to have fewer options than high T men, so they are more likely to settle for less than the best.

    high T men with less options may fuck the fattie, but it wouldn’t be his first, second, or 100th choice. his raging horniness coupled with the quality of women available to him would influence how far he lowered his standards.

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  134. probably still try to keep his fatties on the side

    Give me a break… how many times does this happen?

    A girl with a bit of chub who’s a freak? Maybe. A full on fattie? 1 in a 1000 odds that that’s who the law firm partner is cheating with.

    Really people, use your imagination, and substitute whatever socially disapproved trait that you would like, i.e. stripper, black, no-legs, white-trash, dominatrix….just fill in the blank if your mind balks at fattie.

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  135. @ L’Emmerdeur

    As I suspected, the women seem to be the harshest critics. A guy imagines tapping that, a woman imagines being that.

    Well, duh.

    Sorry, I don’t have enough testosterone to imagine “tapping that.”

    So I guess my only other option is to consider the boyfriend’s POV?

    I’m at work, so I can’t really look at the photo, but from what little I could see, my guess is he’d tap that.

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  136. “most men don’t find fatties sexually attractive. that is why they don’t marry them.”

    The definition of “fat” is somewhat relative,and changes between cultures,and between eras within the same culture.

    [editor: actually, no it doesn’t. the .7 waist hip ratio is universal as is the 17-23 optimal BMI, with few exceptions. and it is a myth that men preferred fatter women in past eras. ruebens does not a scientific theory make.]

    The current vogue for skinny boy-like women is the product of feminist inspired neo-puritism together with a homosexual dominance of fashion and entertainment.

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  137. Extreme aversion, i.e., the ‘eww’ factor, so far:

    black men (13%)
    white men (27%)
    Asian men (18%)
    women (35%)

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  138. anna rexia? you just gave it away. so… just how fat are you, anon?

    Size 4/6, so positively elephantine by your standards. 😛

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  139. on July 14, 2009 at 2:38 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Ovid

    The current vogue for

    Vogue among who? Those kind of girls don’t have any more mass appeal now then they did awhile ago. Think about ‘sex symbols’ (Megan Fox for instance or Angelina two years ago), and they aren’t skinny boy-like.

    They also aren’t fatties.

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  140. Holy hell! With those all of that fat stored in her hips and ass and potentially growing the fertilized embryos that lodge in her very fat-nourished uterus, that chick could safely have 10-12 kids before she’s 45 under ideal conditions. Compare that to the 1-2 kids the tiny little semi-anorexic Asian or White females have so much trouble popping out. I’m telling ya, the potential fertility rates of many non-White groups is very, very scary if you want Whites to survive on Earth long-term.

    She isn’t as fat as you think she is just by looking at that massive ass – look at her waist, which is very much thinner than her ample ass. Her arms aren’t overly fat, either.

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  141. “Unless we see that transgression is taking place we no longer have the feeling of freedom that the full accomplishment of the sexual act demands.”–George Battaille

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  142. on July 14, 2009 at 2:41 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ roissy

    if anything, it goes in the opposite direction you think it goes. high T men *with options* will more likely choose hot slender babes. low T men are likely to have fewer options than high T men, so they are more likely to settle for less than the best.

    Don’t conflate “what I’d do with my one dick, finite in size but infinite in appeal to women” / “whom I’d pick out of a crowd of adoring groupies” with a simple yes/no.

    [editor: it’s just as likely, if not moreso, that steroids cause the men who use them to select for even more feminine (i.e. slender) babes than what they normally find attractive. but this impulse may be counterbalanced by the horniness and lack of immediate availability of the hottest babes, leading to the aforementioned dumpster diving observation.]

    Steroid type things are weird. You’re in state a lot more, and are thus better able to grab your ideal. But the stuff that starts looking good in the street can frighten you a bit when you go back off cycle.

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  143. ok, fine, Anony isn’t that big. Her flight or fight response was still saying that men preferred girls to be anorexic. *because of society* She also apparently is of the fem marriage is a social construct bad for women mindset. That’s not a happy person trait.

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  144. Heap:

    I, for one, obviously have plenty high T (with all the telltale signs: digit ratio, hip-waist ratio, jaw, brow, height, and disdain of anyone so pathetic as to indulge in T “treatments” [my advice: drop the weights and start daily distance running]) and I find woman in the photo utterly “eww fat”…

    Long distance running better than weights for keeping T-levels high? You sure?

    http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/testosterone/testosterone.html

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  145. A guy in my gym locker room once tripped and accidentally stuck me with a big syringe full of distilled, pure testosterone.

    I left the gym and stopped by the 7-11 to swoop elephantine women lined up at the lotto counter with their WIC cards. Then I pulled into a McDonalds and unloaded into a full-sized beauty who who was in the midst of abusing the manager for shortchanging her on the fries with her extra-large Diet Coke.

    At home I went to sleep (after fucking my couch) and had tormeneted dreams of hot, wet livestock with gorged, puckered, crimson hindquarters … miles and miles of livestock.

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  146. on July 14, 2009 at 2:45 pm A Heap of Random Sweepings

    Epoxytocin No. 87:

    Thanks for the correction. I suppose I’ve been assuming distance running raises testosterone levels because all the male and female runners I know are so exceptionally randy. Maybe their levels are already typically high (which would explain the fact that, when desired, I know exactly the volume of weekly mileage required to temporarily reduce my sex drive).

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  147. Roman brothel art includes a lot of hermaphrodite images and gay sex. They were more open back then.

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  148. Obsidian

    I …suggest that Roissy take this very same pic of Scarlett and go onto say, Z Street in Chocolate City, go into the barbershops, and just talk to Brothas on the street, hold this pic up to them and simply ask: Hit, or No Hit?

    Now O’s just being disingenuous. A guy looking like roissy? They’ll think he’s from The Friend of the Court enforcing child support from a babydaddy.

    que DC civil “uprising”

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  149. She looks like having a WHR of 0.55-0.65. In other words, weight aside, she would actually look better with a bigger waist and torso.

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  150. “Vogue among who? Those kind of girls don’t have any more mass appeal now then they did awhile ago. Think about ’sex symbols’ (Megan Fox for instance or Angelina two years ago), and they aren’t skinny boy-like.

    They also aren’t fatties.”

    Compare modern standards of beauty with those from a pre-feminist non-homo era.For example;Sophia Loren,Marilyn Monroe,Mae West,Jayne Mansfield,etc..Today tthey would be considered “fatties.”

    [editor: no, they wouldn’t. and anyone who says that is being disingenuous.]

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  151. on July 14, 2009 at 2:52 pm duece bigalow

    i would tap that just for the curiousity of banging a woman with those proportions.

    I couldnt possibly be attracted to her after sex. And I have quite a few black friends, and almost all of them would find her more attractive than a slender white woman with comparable facial beauty.

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  152. Got here late, here’s my take:

    Her advantages: Pretty face, seemingly thinner upper body. Put her upper body on a tight ass and most of us would jump to fuck her. Plus her skin is nice, but that’s probably photoshop. And she looks like she would be fun in bed.

    Disadvantages: tattoo, which makes her uglier, but at least we know she’s easy. And, fo course, fat ass.

    Bottom line: I would put her in the Chunky, but one fuck category. I voted fat, but she’s definitely a late-night-ok-whatever fuck. I take it back.

    But don’t think this “proves” some difference. This model appeals to a very small percentage of men, not a large percentage; she’s a fetish model. Similarly, look at some “tattoo girl” magazines (where they’re pierced and covered head to toe) and some foot fetish crap, or even geriatric porn; you’ll find some girls there that you’d go “I’d fuck her once, but only after the hot chicks left,” too.

    I think the porn star Linda Friday (one of my outlier favorites) also has this model’s thing going for her: she’s clearly big-butted, but her face is drop dead gorgeous and she’s a smiling, very entusiastic fuck. But she’s a spinner (only 4’11”) so you get the cute little gril thing going on too.

    In fact, looking like you’d be an enthusiastic fuck gives a girl mega bonus points in my book; Asia Carrera was only a 7, but she showed mass enthusiasm and happiness in fucking that popped her to 8 or 9. But she was definitely NOT some fat ass monster like this one.

    That’s a long tangent. Also, Mandy is a cuntrag.

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  153. “[editor: no, they wouldn’t. and anyone who says that is being disingenuous.]”

    They were definitely fuller-figured than any modern diva.

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  154. ScarJo is lumpy but cute, IMHO. I have some issues with whom Hollywood tells me is sexy. I think Jolie has a fucked up monkey face (lips too large, bags under eyes, too wide smile) with a good body attached–buttaface to me. But I think every man can say that about one or two girls most claim are hot.

    I agree with most. Charlize Theron is hot, and Jessica Alba is a cutie-hot, and Salma Hayek is a bombshell (Desperada, DAMN!), and Lindsey Lohan is a sexbomb if she ever stops being anorexic.

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  155. Ovid, roissy’s right, they mgiht not be runway models, but they’d still be hot.

    Hot chicks are bikini models and pornstars; coat hangers for gay men and straight womne are runway models.

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  156. on July 14, 2009 at 3:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    rum and pa coming out of the booth.

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  157. Obsidian, wrong again. What a surprise.

    Nope, not even with your dick and me pushing.

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  158. I think modern mainstream white culture has lost the notion of “stacked”. Nowadays a starlet is considered stacked if she has two inflatable balloons stuck to an otherwise crackhead-like body. But the classic-coke bottle body is definitely no longer in vogue amongst American whites. The disdain for a wide pair of hips (with a tiny waist) is everywhere. The poster earlier is right, Jayne Mansfield and Sophia Loren would have both been told that that if they wanted to get on tv/movies, they would have to lose a considerable amount of weight. Yuu don’t see white women starlets that big anymore.

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  159. on July 14, 2009 at 3:12 pm ironrailsironweights

    Lindsey Lohan is a sexbomb if she ever stops being anorexic

    She is a lesbian.

    Peter

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  160. on July 14, 2009 at 3:16 pm ironrailsironweights

    male fetishists of any stripe are more common than female fetishists

    Some fetishes are perverted. Others are nice and wholesome, like, you know, mine.

    Peter

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  161. She is a lesbian.

    Lesbians can’t be hot?

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  162. “They were more open back then.”

    Upper class, wealthy brats were, as they are now. The man in the street was not too fond of gayness. Screaming “My political opponent sucks cock!” was an insult, not a declaration of admiration for his lifestyle choices.

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  163. on July 14, 2009 at 3:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol

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  164. on July 14, 2009 at 3:20 pm ironrailsironweights

    Lesbians can’t be hot?

    Of course they can be, but it’s pointless because they’re off-limits.

    Peter

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  165. Lohan is still friends with Rod.

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  166. Imagine her spraying the bowl after Mexican food.

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  167. The real question is whether Arpagus would rape her.

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  168. roissy,

    to complete this experiment you should post a picture of a anorexic runway model and conduct a similar poll.

    my intuition tells me that most men, regardless of ethnicity, want the same things in a woman’s body: a tight hourglass figure. the differences arise when asked to sacrifice on different aspects of the ideal. it seems that many black men are willing to forgive the tight part to preserve the curvy; and conversely, many white men will forgo the curves to keep it tight.

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  169. on July 14, 2009 at 3:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    I have seen anerexic chicks they still had tits and ass. Some of the ‘model’ chicls are in come other world of that shit. It is like taking the thinnest chick then making them be anerexic.

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  170. LILGRL-“I’m at work, so I can’t really look at the photo, but from what little I could see, my guess is he’d tap that.”

    Of course your bf would hit that. He likes big asses.

    Most gay guys do.

    A few more years of jamming cheetos into your beak, and your rump-roast will mirror hers.

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  171. @ A.J. Travis

    Most gay guys do.

    HAH! I’d love for you to back THAT up.

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  172. on July 14, 2009 at 3:48 pm levi johnston

    Asian men don’t do too much choosing in the dating field. According to stats compiled from Yahoo personals of four major US cities, amongst white women with racial preferences (~70%), 93.6% would exclude asian men from their potential “dates” while 96% would exclude East Indians.

    I’d suspect the percentage of black women receptive to dating asian males is somewhat less than that.

    http://paa2008.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=80046 (See Figure 1)

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  173. “[editor: actually, no it doesn’t. the .7 waist hip ratio is universal as is the 17-23 optimal BMI, with few exceptions. and it is a myth that men preferred fatter women in past eras. ruebens does not a scientific theory make.]”

    A ratio doesnt measure size or fattness.It is a proportion between two variables.Sex-appeal is too important to be abandoned to “science.” “Science” has a tendency to be subservient to power(i.e. middle-class SWPL’s and their faggoty mores and tastes).Compare beauty contestant winners from the ’50’s to today’s.Art is superior to science.

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  174. Lohan ain’t a lesbo. She’s just a fucked up actress who can be pushed to do anything by anyone mildly controlling.

    Ronson (like most dykes) is just very good at controlling her. Wintess the next dykle/lipstick relationship you see. The dyke acts more abusively controlling than any male-abusive-stereotype you see in the movies, including whacking the pretty one now and again….yet no one says anything.

    Feminism is the creationism of the left. Also, Mand XD is a cuntrag.

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  175. in regards to women and racial dating preferences: does anyone know the theory behind this? more precisely, does anyone have good links to theories behind this?

    i imagine that it’s in large part because when women have children outside of their ethnic group, those children are selected against. i am wondering how much of women’s racial preferences have to do with the ability to successfully cuckold.

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  176. chuck, don’t forget the smooth skin on the ass is probably photoshopped. In reality, it’s probably pimpled, dimpled, sagging, and discolored.

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  177. on July 14, 2009 at 3:57 pm Seeking Alpha

    she’s got a tiny waist, smaller than most chicks with much smaller asses.

    Lies. If you cover up her butt and look at the pic she looks like any other chubby girl. Look at the rolls on her back!

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  178. Lance,’ol buddy,’ol pal;lets not turn this into a boring race free-for-all.

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  179. lurker,

    it’s possible, but ethnic women’s skin is more resilient than white women’s. i’m just judging from what i see in the picture. this chick isn’t fat, she just has a big booty.

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  180. Lance, I said somethign about this before hand regarding women, racial preferences, and cuckholding.

    DNA testing is a game changer, and if implemented as required, it will completely change things. It may lead to less racism, if my hypothesis is correct.

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  181. on July 14, 2009 at 4:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not feelinng it levi personal experience but all my half/asian relatives that are male and my friend married nice looking white chicks. I guess they don’t give a shit about the divorce laws but they tend to marry chicks who work and make the loot.

    Lets face it if you have money you will get a woman. Now game is gonna help on getting the right woman for you and letting you be the chooser. Or in extreme cases of fucked upidness in life, it happens (after a divorce), game can help pull you out. Or just if your goal is to fuck a ton of woman good for that too.

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  182. chuck, not really true, it just appears that way, the same way a dark shirt shows a stain less than a lighter shirt.

    Having rumped a few Indian and Brazilian girls, once your eyes become adjusted you see that the resiliancy thing is just camoflauge.

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  183. *****WARNING don’t open at work – NUDE BIG BOOTIED LATINA AHEAD*******

    http://www.xvideos.com/video68661/big_booty_scarlett_dancing_in_bathroom_2

    i think this is her. you’re right, lurker, she’s got a dimpled ass…really no surprise…i still think she’s sexy and would fuck her on multiple occasions.

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  184. [editor: not really. ruebens was one man. most paintings of women over history are of slender babes or babes that are nowhere near fat. even many of ruebens comtemporaries painted thinner women than he did. and marilyn monroe was not as chunky as her dress size would indicate, because dress sizes have been “fatted down” since her time. now if you want to argue that men’s taste in women changed over a VERY LONG time, on the order of millennia, then you may have a point. after all, 100,000 years ago most women were probably very ugly by today’s standards. evolution and all that.]

    Even a cursory knowledge of art history would indicate that this is false. Representations of beauty in art vary widely in body type and facial structure. Ruebens wasn’t the only Renaissance painter to favor women on the porkier side. Painters in the 13th-15th centuries also tended to portray women with fairly masculine features, probably because they were consciously adopting the ancient Greek standard, which viewed the male nude as optimally beautiful.

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  185. @lurker- linds had lots of dudes before sam, and she’ll go back to them after she snaps out of it, like anne heche did- another wacked-out specimen.

    @lance-

    how much of women’s racial preferences have to do with the ability to successfully cuckold.

    finally, a decent evo-psych explanation for why women generally are less attracted to men outside their home tribe/race than the opposite. survival/acceptance of the offspring within the tribe. very interesting.

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  186. on July 14, 2009 at 4:04 pm Tupac Chopra

    IMO, Howard Roark (of all people, heh) had the best take on Lady Scarlett:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/update-the-women-who-love-feminized-western-white-males/#comment-70428

    I remember the comment because I just about pissed myself first time I read it.

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  187. Anonymous’ earlier comments were spot on-no matter where you come down on this question, why the need on the part of some White guys here to have their personal tastes validated? I myself have had similar questions running through my head, as if the very thought of something existing outside of their worldview is an existential threat of some kind.

    If indeed it is, it says a lot more about the (inherent?) fragility of the White Male Psyche than anything else. For example, Apeman attempts to make the case that Black female obesity, real or imagined, has an overall net effect on White females. Yet, when one considers the fact that Blacks and Whites tend to live largely apart from each other, its hard to see how this theory of his actually translates into realworld reality. What’s much closer to the truth is that White Women are getting fatter not because of the almighty power of Black Women to influence the culture, but because of other reasons. Which Apeman hasn’t yet seen fit to investigate, given his being so deeply in love w/his theories about Black folks.

    I remember recently, Arpagus being raked over the coals for his preference in Women-even some female members of the forum got in their licks. My reply was that my personal views as to what he did or did not find attractive were irrelevant-the ONLY person this can and should matter to, is Arpie himself. It is not my job as a mentor, advisor or friend to attempt to lecture, scold or browbeat him about his personal preferences in a Woman-my job is to help him live a better quality of life w/the Woman, or Women, *of HIS choice*-which is really what Game is all about, yes?

    O

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  188. @lurker- if you said that before, i missed it. good insight either way.

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  189. on July 14, 2009 at 4:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Seeking Alpha
    she’s got a tiny waist, smaller than most chicks with much smaller asses.

    Lies. If you cover up her butt and look at the pic she looks like any other chubby girl. Look at the rolls on her back!”””””””””””””””’

    I covered the whole picture yup she looks just like my hand.

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  190. on July 14, 2009 at 4:07 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Ovid

    “Science” has a tendency to be subservient to power(i.e. middle-class SWPL’s and their faggoty mores and tastes).Compare beauty contestant winners from the ’50’s to today’s.Art is superior to science.

    You’re really not very smart, are you.

    You don’t think BEAUTY CONTESTS are “servient to power(i.e. middle-class SWPL’s and their faggoty mores and tastes)”? Are you fucking kidding?

    Carrie Prejean, Perez Hilton, anyone?

    Go away.

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  191. on July 14, 2009 at 4:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Tupac Chopra
    IMO, Howard Roark (of all people, heh) had the best take on Lady Scarlett:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/update-the-women-who-love-feminized-western-white-males/#comment-70428

    I remember the comment because I just about pissed myself first time I read it.”””””””””””

    Yea that shit needs to be in the compendum.

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  192. “You don’t think BEAUTY CONTESTS are “servient to power(i.e. middle-class SWPL’s and their faggoty mores and tastes)”? Are you fucking kidding?”

    Maybe bc’s are subservient to power.Or,as I suspect,they have merely become so in recent years.Its called PC.But my point still stands,bc’s of yore featured fuller contestants than today’s.

    Can I stay now?

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  193. on July 14, 2009 at 4:14 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ maurice

    beauty: variable, malleable, subjective.

    The second of these is just plain wrong, unless you count “malleable in very very young children”. I.e., there’s some evidence that fetishes and the like are shaped in early youth. And even that is mostly speculative, and highly questionable.

    If you gave me 10 pictures of women to rank in a hierarchy of the order in which I’d hit it, it’s nearly certain that I would rank them now in exactly the same order I would have given at age 12 or 13.

    The same is true for basically all guys I’ve shot the shit with about this sort of thing, and I’d wager it’s true for you, too, Maurice.

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  194. A Youtube of the chick in the picture:

    The comments there are pretty heated as well. Lots of similar chicks in the “Related Video” section.

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  195. on July 14, 2009 at 4:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Special groups so far as percentage of blog are 43 percent yea I think we can safely say we no longer need aa.

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  196. LILGRL-“HAH! I’d love for you to back THAT up.”

    I bet you would fatty.

    Harvey Fierstein
    Bruce Vilanch
    Barney Frank
    Boy George
    That dipshit from Survivor
    John Travolta
    ad infinitum…

    Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

    BTW- Your boyfriends gay ‘friends’ keep telling you they like tight asses because they are trying to encourage you to drop some pounds, without hurting the feelings.

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  197. Lindsey Lohan is only the latest exhibit on how sexuality is malleable, and the homosexualists are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

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  198. If you gave me 10 pictures of women to rank in a hierarchy of the order in which I’d hit it, it’s nearly certain that I would rank them now in exactly the same order I would have given at age 12 or 13.

    The same is true for basically all guys I’ve shot the shit with about this sort of thing, and I’d wager it’s true for you, too, Maurice.

    I can’t say for sure how I’d have ranked 10 girls at age 12. It would take a lot of assumption, and those assumptions would probably be colored by my present taste. I can say what kind of girl I’d generally have found hot, but to say decisively how I’d have ranked 10 girls in terms of hotness when I was 12? How many of us can remember that for sure?

    I can say that my tastes in women have changed though. I used to like Latinas and Filipinas a lot when younger. Now not so much.

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  199. on July 14, 2009 at 4:26 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ A.J. Travis

    Most gay guys do.

    HAH! I’d love for you to back THAT up.

    I love it when you back dat azz up.
    Don’t pollute my images.

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  200. A.J., well done. Harpoon that whalish attention whore.

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  201. on July 14, 2009 at 4:26 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    that was @ lilgrl. of course

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  202. In one of the posts Roissy linked to, I asked him if he considered Christina Hendricks of “Mad Men” fat. There are white guys who I wouldn’t peg as the “big girl”-type who are nuts for her.

    [editor: she’s chunky. ahe could stand to lose about 25 pounds, but still do-able.]

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  203. @epoxy- sure, i probably would rank them the same way today at age 13. so would you. but your list would differ from my list, and from other people’s lists. that’s because our brains had already been programmed by then, by our environments and culture. to the extent any people share a similar upbringing (white middle-class america, say) those tastes are going to be broadly shared, and so might seem universal. but they wouldn’t be the same for men from rural India, China, Africa, wherever.

    i think there are broad parameters, as noted, and roissy’s attractiveness polls in this regard have been carefully crafted to have obvious answers, 1 through 10.

    But put up 10 8s, 10 9s, whatever, of equal basic attractiveness, and the rankings would be all over the map. that’s the subjectivity i was talking about.

    also, i think people’s taste in the opposite sex definitely does change a little as one ages. not hugely, but noticably.

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  204. I, like a lot of men, seem to have more of an appreciation for bigger, fleshier women than Roissy, though I have to say I am equally appreciative of sleeker, more athletic looking girls. “I likes ’em fat and I likes ’em skinny.”

    That said, this Scarlett chick has definitely crossed over that line between being delightfully fleshy and being kinda gross. The man-jaw doesn’t help. I have definitely enjoyed looking at some of big butted girls Obsidian has brought forward, but this was a step too far for me.

    What is surprising, or perhaps not, is how harsh the women are. Harsher than white men or Asians. Women’s attractiveness standards are definitely more biased towards skinny chicks than men’s.

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  205. Her face isn’t bad. Some decent DSL’s. But damn you could show an IMAX picture on that ass.

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  206. on July 14, 2009 at 4:32 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ joe

    I can say that my tastes in women have changed though. I used to like Latinas and Filipinas a lot when younger. Now not so much.

    OK, i’ll give you this. Especially if you lived in that kind of neighborhood (Daly City?), and don’t anymore.

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  207. pwadoc

    Here is where you go wrong. Roissy is not talking about “beauty” as it is defined in formal, public art of any givven period. He is talking about the sorts of female forms that inspire raging boners in heterosexual men. See the difference?
    Actual, full-bore pornography is a much more honest measure of this than the sort of art that people put on the walls in front of their guests and their children.

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  208. Epoxy – yeah, that’s probably what it is. Different neighborhoods.

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  209. on July 14, 2009 at 4:40 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    to the extent any people share a similar upbringing (white middle-class america, say) those tastes are going to be broadly shared, and so might seem universal. but they wouldn’t be the same for men from rural India, China, Africa, wherever.

    I hear you, but I’m pretty firmly convinced that people drastically overestimate the impact of “similar upbringing” on these things.
    It doesn’t help that feminist indoctrination has gotten so thorough that some people actually believe (not just nod their heads at the notion) that beauty is totally a cultural construct.
    It also doesn’t help that VERY few men will truly admit to their friends, or to any group, the full extent of what they find sexually attractive. Even the diffuse pressure exhibited by a completely anonymous, faceless group – the Roissy commenters – can still influence people’s votes. (You KNOW there are guys out there who would totally hit that, and won’t admit it even on this board’s voting thingy.)

    Case in point: My brother and I are, well, brothers. We were brought up in exactly the same milieu (although treated very differently by one parent). Our tastes in women are TOTALLY different. Like so different that some of his 10’s are my 6’s, and vice versa.

    Short version:
    As is the case with personality traits, many more of our sexual triggers are hardwired than we would care to admit.

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  210. Black man here,

    Black men don’t like (tolerate) fat women..,

    BROKE men like (tolerate) fat women.

    The social/economics of the situation cannot be ignored.

    Money is the universal measure of power in our society.
    (There are other forms but wealth is the most common and
    most recognizable by and to women)

    Powerful men: take what they want.

    Broke men: take what they get.

    I find that the older I get (28) and the more powerful (be it wealth
    , intellegence, security in oneself, game, etc..) I become the less
    tolerance I have toward fat women.

    *two cent*

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  211. @epoxy- OK, agreed. some combination of nature and nurture. but not 100% nature.

    i wonder if there’s actually any research on this – physical attractiveness triggers, norms, variability, etc. there must be. anyone know? anyone have any links? that is usually better than just talking past each other.

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  212. For the record, that picture does not provide enough context to properly answer the question. A woman of that size should have compensatory assets in the front as well, thusly, if one is a breast man, he may find her more attractive as a whole package assuming that she is equally well endowed on the other side.

    Also for the record, I dismiss the notion that attraction for all men is based in physicality and not substantively influenced by emotional, intellectual, and personality traits.

    Finally for the record, I do not expect to find much agreement in this forum for either of the previous statements.

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  213. For the record, that picture does not provide enough context to properly answer the question. A woman of that size should have compensatory assets in the front as well, thusly, if one is a breast man, he may find her more attractive as a whole package assuming that she is equally well endowed on the other side.

    I posted a video of her dancing in the comments. Her chest doesn’t compensate, which just makes it worse…

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  214. on July 14, 2009 at 4:59 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    wonder if there’s actually any research on this – physical attractiveness triggers, norms, variability, etc. there must be. anyone know? anyone have any links?

    If such data are published at all, they won’t be in headlines or abstracts. They’ll have to be teased out of data ostensibly collected for other reasons, as are data about, say, group IQ differences. And for largely similar reasons.

    In fact, it will probably be much harder to find hard data on this, because of a double effect:
    (a) the subject material isn’t politically correct
    (b) it would be derided in the academy as “not serious subject material” (gee, i wonder why)

    If you have anything, please share, although this seems to be the sort of thing where common sense swoops in and saves the day.

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  215. @epoxy- i thought about that after i posted. wouldn’t there be some kind of psychology research subsidized by the beauty, entertainment, modeling, or advertising industries? (note: not necessarily in academia, but definitely funded outside.) i’d bet advertising has some very definite views on this topic.

    the problem with that kind of business research is that it would be about defining beauty that appeals to the widest possible audience, and we were talking about the differences in individual taste. so your objections probably hold: any study that might exist was probably called into being as a politicized football for some different cause or other, probably of a feminist stripe.

    this board has surprised me in the past, though – the speed at which people can find obscure things that are on point is amazing. the beauty of crowdsourcing.

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  216. on July 14, 2009 at 5:11 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ restaurant refugee

    You’re a woman, aren’t you?

    I dismiss the notion that attraction for all men is based in physicality and not substantively influenced by emotional, intellectual, and personality traits.

    1. The latter traits are totally irrelevant to initial attraction.
    With the possible exception of personality traits that signal sexual availability.

    2. If physical attraction is not present, then the latter traits CANNOT compensate for it. Sorry, impossible. Although they would make for a cool drinking buddy.

    3. “Intellectual” is COMPLETELY irrelevant to sexual attraction. Sorry.

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  217. on July 14, 2009 at 5:11 pm Cannon's Canon

    @roissy “it’s just as likely, if not moreso, that steroids cause the men who use them to select for even more feminine (i.e. slender) babes than what they normally find attractive.”

    false on all anecdotal accounts of my many meathead friends. after a couple weeks on test p/e, even those elephants, hippos, and rhinoceroses start looking tasty. your ‘selection’ might skew toward feminine, but the selection bell curves stretches way out left.

    didn’t you give this a go last summer?

    @random sweeping
    certainly not much QUAD sweeping! step your squats game up, running man

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  218. on July 14, 2009 at 5:16 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ maurice

    wouldn’t there be some kind of psychology research subsidized by the beauty, entertainment, modeling, or advertising industries?

    No, no, no, and possibly.

    The former 3 industries are completely unsullied by the dirty hands and minds of run-of-the-mill homosexual males. As for the latter, you’d have to hit up marketing firms that target almost exclusively guy things (porn, import tuner, etc).

    The entertainment industry? Laughable. The entire 21th century entertainment industry, to a significant extent, is a conscious attempt to countervail normal straight men’s preferences.

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  219. The best part about this blog is the links to everyone else’s blog, where they continue their postings in more thorough manners.

    That, and roissy’s meaningful advice.

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  220. Here is where you go wrong. Roissy is not talking about “beauty” as it is defined in formal, public art of any givven period. He is talking about the sorts of female forms that inspire raging boners in heterosexual men. See the difference? Actual, full-bore pornography is a much more honest measure of this than the sort of art that people put on the walls in front of their guests and their children.

    In the text I quoted, he was speaking specifically about formal, public art. He claimed that portrayals of women in art throughout history demonstrate consistency, when in fact there is a great deal of variability.

    [editor: there is very little formal art featuring obese women. primitive fertility figurines don’t count.]

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  221. White skin is universally attractive

    http://hbdbooks.com/?p=232

    As far as booty size goes, there’s no reason that races can’t differ in the amount desired.

    And yes, she’s way too fat for her ass to be that smooth.

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  222. on July 14, 2009 at 5:31 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Cannon

    after a couple weeks on test p/e, even those elephants, hippos, and rhinoceroses start looking tasty. your ’selection’ might skew toward feminine, but the selection bell curves stretches way out left.

    Yeah.

    One of the cleverest insults I’ve ever heard from one dude to another (regarding the listener’s of-questionable-looks girlfriend at the time):
    “Dude, just keep me away from her while I’m on cycle, and it’s all good.”

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  223. Epoxytocin and Maurice, regarding stability of what people find attractive, my preferred physical type when I was in my early and mid-teens is -drastically- different than it is now, almost to the point of finding my previous type extremely unappealing. I’ve also had this discussion with various guy friends (and now am going to start having it with my girl friends) and some of them have gone into how their ideas of attractiveness have changed over the years, and why they think this is so.

    Also, on the biology/social front, I’m in the standard white middle-class. My sister and I have completely different tastes. She digs the beta metrosexual that she can pussywhip into an inch of his life, I dig the masculine alpha that will smack me around and bone me into an inch of my life.

    Preferrably seven to eight inches of my life, if I’m lucky.

    As for research, if you have access to JSTOR, it’s excellent for random studies. Most of my ungrad work was done on sexuality, and I’ve never had a problem pulling related articles up on that site.

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  224. on July 14, 2009 at 5:36 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ P of F

    Epoxytocin and Maurice, regarding stability of what people find attractive, my preferred physical type when I was in my early and mid-teens is -drastically- different than it is now, almost to the point of finding my previous type extremely unappealing.

    We’re talking about MEN’s attraction triggers here, you silly little minxette.

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  225. on July 14, 2009 at 5:40 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    My sister and I have completely different tastes. She digs the beta metrosexual that she can pussywhip into an inch of his life, I dig the masculine alpha that will smack me around and bone me into an inch of my life.

    One, you’re going on what you actually think you want, but on what she SAYS she wants.
    You ought to know better than to assume any connection at all between “she says she wants…” and “she wants…”.
    I thought you were more aware than this.

    Two, you and I both know enough SWPL types to understand that those people will NEVER articulate any gut feelings, no matter how intense or deep-seated, that contradict their SWPLness.
    These are the kind of people who will cross the street to avoid a group of 17 year old black kids, not cross the street to avoid a group of 17 year old asian kids, and in the same breath deny any racially prejudicial thoughts.
    You expect any honesty from her about THIS?
    ssshhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt

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  226. on July 14, 2009 at 5:40 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Feminists want to believe that men’s sexual preferences are culturally acquired when it comes to straight men, gay men’s preferences are of course innate in the feminist paradigm. The reason they need this is so they can campaign for us to find the ugly, fat, OLD, masses of them attractive instead of the increasingly rare youthful, thin, and sexy among them. (We just need to undo their cultural conditioning so they find 300lb women like ME attractive!) In their minds, this will be better for society.

    The reason I bring this up is because it does somewhat parallel the men’s right’s activism “choose beta” movement.

    [editor: yes, a very good point. you can no more force a woman to find a beta attractive than you can force a man to find a chunky chick attractive. however, there are structural safeguards that a society interested in long term prosperity can erect (heh) to rein in women’s wilder sex urges so that they cannot cash in on the provider beta government and the alpha cock carousel free of consequences.]

    Society would be better off, many of us would say, if women were forced to choose the beta providers who “drive society forward”, as opposed to the badboys, thugs, and cads they find universally attractive as we find thin, feminine, young women. Remember the only thing that gives the latter position any superiority is that badboy, cad, and thugism correlate negatively with paternal investment, whereas the attractiveness of a woman has less relationship to maternal investment, and if anything the more feminine and attractive the woman, the more maternal investment she’ll give. It can be easily observed in biology and history that the more parents invest in their offspring, the more advanced a society or species becomes.

    Anyway, the woman is just average, not hot, not ugly.

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  227. on July 14, 2009 at 5:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Poetry of Flesh
    Epoxytocin and Maurice, regarding stability of what people find attractive, my preferred physical type when I was in my early and mid-teens is -drastically- different than it is now, almost to the point of finding my previous type extremely unappealing. I’ve also had this discussion with various guy friends (and now am going to start having it with my girl friends) and some of them have gone into how their ideas of attractiveness have changed over the years, and why they think this is so.””””””””””””

    Because they hit the wall?

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  228. @epoxy-
    i think you meant hetero instead of homo there. looks like you are on board with whiskey about hollywood. i disagree… the movie guys want to make money, and when they try to cast leads they try for maximum appeal, and therefore to guess which female will have the maximum (straight) male appeal and which leading man will have the highest female appeal. most of the biggest-name stars pass this test.

    for that and the minor parts, i can’t really imagine casting directors (for leads, not character actors) saying “bwahaha – we know straight guys don’t like this slag, but we’ll put her in the lead anyway! and lose money! just to satisfy our exclusively homosexual ideals of femininity!” (actually, something like that may have happened in the case of renee zellweger. and SJP for sure. 🙂 )

    [editor: apropos of everything, renee zellweger looked like shit in “appaloosa”.]

    so the gays may run things but they *must* appeal ultimately to mainstream taste.

    that’s off-point to the scientific study, but relevant to the thread.

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  229. on July 14, 2009 at 5:45 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Finally, P of F:

    As for research, if you have access to JSTOR, it’s excellent for random studies.

    JSTOR collects academic papers. Today’s social science work is about as “random” as was Soviet propaganda back in the day. Universities are rarely more than leftist echo chambers, especially in any of the “soft sciences”.

    The stuff we’re looking for here is like Samizdat.

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  230. My eyes are vomiting

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  231. There’s an interesting, fairly recent article called “Visual Perception of Female Physical Attractiveness” published by The Royal Society. Vol 271, No. 1537 (Feb 22, 2004), pp. 347-352. Basically discusses how 3D imaging allows for a more in depth (har har double entendre) judgement of attractiveness, theorizing that it isn’t the waist-hip ratio or the BMI that primarily indicates attractiveness in a woman, but a volume-height index.

    There’s a couple other articles that looked interesting, even though they aren’t on the topic of variability of attractiveness, but that was my favorite.

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  232. I voted “Chunky, but I’d tap it… once.”. She’s (barely) pretty* enough that you could entertain the idea of sex with her in a NSA arrangement, but I’d fear what would become of her ass in the context of a long-term relationship as she ages. While I’m a bit more appreciative of ass than say PA, her ass is much too big for my tastes.

    Fun Question: High T + low IQ = lots of sex with fat and/or ugly, and rampant STDs and out of wedlock births?

    *She looks like a slightly uglier Jennifer Lopez in some photos while in others, she’s hideous looking…

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  233. Lucifer

    The romans (during the roman empire) saw west europeans as mentally inferior savages, who were oversexed and promiscuous. Their idea of female beauty was mediterranean. Not unlike, how whites see blacks today..

    Not true. Tacitus writes of the great virtue and chastity of the Germanic tribes. As for ideals of beauty, Roman women started dying their hair red and blond to look more like Northwest Europeans.

    Of course, Gauls were seen as degenerates with homosexual tendencies (after the Romans beat them), but were greatly admired for their fair skin, height and muscularity.

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  234. Ugh. Not to my taste. It’s like a Lane Bryant Nightmare. Take one part Kirstie Alley, one part Roseanne Barr, and one part Star Jones. Mix and combine. Yeesh.

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  235. Roissy most men don’t find fatties sexually attractive. that is why they don’t marry them

    The real question is, what is the mid point for the average man. Most of us can agree on what a fat person looks like but what about chubby but doable. The woman who is a bit overweight or thick but still attractive enough that you can introduce her to your friends without putting your head down, what does she look like.

    Anonymous Marriage is the way to see what is most socially acceptable for a guy to……
    You hit it on the nose kid.

    Ovid Compare modern standards of beauty with those from a pre-feminist non-homo era.For example;Sophia Loren,Marilyn Monroe,Mae West,Jayne Mansfield,etc..Today they would be considered “fatties.”
    I’ve heard this from the mouths of men. I’ve come across a couple of blk guys who only date women who wear 00-2.

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  236. on July 14, 2009 at 5:55 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @epoxy-
    i think you meant hetero instead of homo there. looks like you are on board with whiskey about hollywood. i disagree… the movie guys want to make money, and when they try to cast leads they try for maximum appeal, and therefore to guess which female will have the maximum (straight) male appeal and which leading man will have the highest female appeal. most of the biggest-name stars pass this test.

    Right on the typo.

    [warning: i am a fish out of water here, as i almost never watch ANY tv or movies.]

    OK, you have a point here, but, a couple of things.

    First, you’re also corroborating my point here, too: they just guess. Your words. I can’t imagine that any actual RESEARCH (which is what we were originally discussing) goes into it.

    Second, no, they don’t go for “maximum straight male appeal”. If they did, the average female lead would be WAY younger, and more overtly sexy, than most of today’s female leads. I’ve seen a handful of these, like Megan Fox (who was actually ordered to gain weight for Transformers, contra Roissy),

    [editor: that doesn’t refute anything i’ve written. megan fox looked hot in transformers, so if she put on any weight it wasn’t enough to cross the chunk threshold and cost her sexual desireability points with straight men.]

    but there aren’t anywhere near enough to pull weight for straight male preferences.

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  237. Epoxy,

    Yes, I know we’re talking about men’s attraction here, not women’s. I think I’ll keep the endearing name, though.

    I don’t actually ask her about what she finds attractive. That would be fairly idiotic, judging that I doubt she even realizes what she finds attractive. I just look at the trends in guys she brings home, and how she treats them. Metro, metro, metro, oh, look, another metro. And they’re all sniveling around her as she beats them into submission.

    As for JSTOR… eh, I find it interesting. The basic point, while I was in school, was to dig through it, find as many papers as I could on the topic at hand, find the ones that were against my theory that were the worst written and researched, and then find the ones that were for my theory that were the best researched, then throw them together for my paper. The usual. Like any source, you take what they have to say with much reserve, research the publishing company, and examine their research methods before drawing a conclusion. Just because it’s an academic paper by a team of professors doesn’t mean they aren’t full of shit.

    But really, I tend to find those articles “better” than most research articles self-published online.

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  238. on July 14, 2009 at 5:59 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Does anyone wield a comprehensive list of terms that trigger the moderation bot?

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  239. @V- do you still have access to that database? did you come across any good research on that topic back in the day?

    also, epoxy is right, as you obviously know, that men and women have different attraction triggers, and therefore probably differently evolving attraction standards as well. since women are attracted to behaviors and status in men, where men are more fixated on appearance, it stands to reason that women’s choices in type would change more, and in more predictable directions, than would men’s. (we are simple creatures. as we age, our ideal type stays the same. 20 years old and gorgeous! 😉 )

    @epoxy- channeling Clay Davis, eh?

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  240. on July 14, 2009 at 6:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Poetry of Flesh,
    I don’t actually ask her about what she finds attractive. That would be fairly idiotic, judging that I doubt she even realizes what she finds attractive. I just look at the trends in guys she brings home, and how she treats them. Metro, metro, metro, oh, look, another metro. And they’re all sniveling around her as she beats them into submission.””””””’

    That is some vile thoughts but yea it happens I have seen it. Why obviously guys need to be allowed to beat woman. Who is gonna tame that bitch. She probably can’t fucking believe they are taking her abuse and is looking for the one who won’t.

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  241. Yeah, lucifer, you’re nuts.

    Blond was always in. Alexander was described as having blond locks (as a sign of beauty). Ditto Aphrodite and Apollo. And I believe Augustus was said to be blond, as a sign of beauty.

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  242. HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO, point taken, the difference being that human history has largely advanced when men didn’t care what women’s preferences were; women were sold as chattle, married off, etc. Societies only begin decay when men start fussing about en masse trying to “win” girls as opposed to just taking them caveman-style.

    Every woman has a rape fantasy.

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  243. i keep missing posts as i write.

    @epoxy- i think it’s a little too broad-brush to dismiss all academic social-science research out of hand. a lot of it will confirm to established dogmas, some of it won’t. i think the thing to do, as V said, is to look at it and cherry-pick. not according to results, because that skews the findings to meet your preconceptions, but according to methodology, quality, objectiveness *as you evaluate them*. i agree with V here, samizdat is probably shit.

    @V- thanks. any chance you could paste the abstract or those pages here? or related articles? not that it’s that important, but this topic comes up here fairly frequently, and it might be good to have *some* data to look at, whether scientifically or pseudo-scientifically gathered.

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  244. on July 14, 2009 at 6:14 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    maurice

    @epoxy- i think it’s a little too broad-brush to dismiss all academic social-science research out of hand. a lot of it will confirm to established dogmas, some of it won’t. i think the thing to do, as V said, is to look at it and cherry-pick. not according to results, because that skews the findings to meet your preconceptions, but according to methodology, quality, objectiveness *as you evaluate them*. i agree with V here, samizdat is probably shit.

    Samizdat is exaggeration for effect, but I think we’re on the same page. Cherry-picking is necessary. The more non PC, the more cherry picking.

    The single industry that is probably MOST interested, though, is the plastic surgery industry, since non-reconstructive plastic surgery (fringe practices excluded) is basically the art and science of becoming and staying attractive to men.
    Were you counting this as part of “the beauty industry”? I took that to mean makeup and the like.

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  245. poetry,

    what women bring home and what they fuck are two different things.

    women bring home “marriage material”, i.e., what they want to LIVE with for life, if she likes sniveling metros she wants to rule the roost

    the question is, who has she fucked in her car? THAT’S who she finds attractive

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  246. lurker Every woman has a rape fantasy.

    No deal and thank God neither of my former boyfriends tried something like that with me. I had no idea there were some women into that stuff until I started reading here and asking around.

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  247. i think it’s more accurate to say every woman has a RAVISHMENT fantasy, a la, the carrying-up-the-stairs scene in gone with the wind, not a “rape” fantasy

    there is a distinct difference

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  248. This chick is fat with an ass that is entirely too big. I find very little about her that is attractive. Even her face looks a bit too slutty for my tastes. She is saying: “I have fucked lots and lots of desperate men and I try to look like a slut so I can fuck lots more. Please have some of my STDs perpetually living in my gigantic ass crack.”

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  249. Ridiculous and rather disgusting (someone mentioned potential cleanliness of dat ass), just like grotesquely oversized titties that white americans are presumably into.
    Having said that, given the right amount of Rohypnol…

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  250. Maurice, if you send me an email, I’ll reply with the article in PDF format sometime today or tomorrow, depending on workload. thevisceris @ gmail dot com, in case you didn’t see it on my profile page.

    Actually, my favorite bit of research ended up being my own project, but then I’m biased. Shocked the hell out of my professor, though.

    You’ve got a good point on the differing attraction triggers. I’m so used to operating like a man when it comes to sex and seduction, I keep forgetting that I’m different. I have to say, though, I’ve slept with a few guys solely on basis of looks, hoping and hinting that they should just stop talking and let me enjoy myself.

    Stop reminding me I’m over the hill and no man will ever want me as I advance into my mid-twenties.

    Guns, I truly hope that one day she dates a guy that does not put up with her crap. My mother and I have had this discussion several times, both of us hoping that the next guy will teach her to respect her partner and the people around her.

    I’d love to see the research done by the beauty industry.

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  251. The marquardt mask, invented by a plastic surgeon for use in reconstructing damaged faces and then in cosmetic beauty enhancement

    http://www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm

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  252. http://www.amber-rose.org/gallery/index.php?cat=2

    Kayne West’s woman Amber Rose. Similar build but smaller & true hourglass figure.

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  253. Roissy most men don’t find fatties sexually attractive. that is why they don’t marry them

    The real question is, what is the mid point for the average man. Most of us can agree on what a fat person looks like but what about chubby but doable. The woman who is a bit overweight or thick but still attractive enough that you can introduce her to your friends without putting your head down, what does she look like.

    Anonymous Marriage is the way to see what is most socially acceptable for a guy to……
    You hit it on the nose kid.

    Ovid Compare modern standards of beauty with those from a pre-feminist non-homo era.For example;Sophia Loren,Marilyn Monroe,Mae West,Jayne Mansfield,etc..Today they would be considered “fatties.”
    I’ve heard this from the mouths of men. I’ve come across a couple of blk guys who only date women who wear 00-2.

    No deal and thank God neither of my former boyfriends tried something like that with me. I had no idea there were some women into that stuff until I started reading here and asking around.

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  254. Hungry Hippo

    There are good points in your post about betas wanting the same kind of “justice” as fat chicks.
    I see a difference in that females perception of male desirability is so much more influenced by social framing than mens. Consider that a guys “sexual market value” can go up dramatically and instantaneously if he got a hit record, or just that word got out that he was the center of a threesome involving the two hottest girls around.
    Bang, overnight, lots more girls ginas would tingle when he was around.
    But for girls as guys see them? Who cares who she has dated, she is hot or not. And what guy does not love the idea of having a girlfriend that he finds really attractive that he does not have to fight other guys for? Not that that happens much but most guys would be fine with it.

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  255. @epoxy- yes, cosmetic plastic surgery is definitely included in the beauty industry writ large. i think the makeup, hair, and fashion industry is ultimately all about that too, gays notwithstanding. what will straight, aging women spend money on to maintain attractiveness to men? the gays are the hired hands, the women write the checks and make the decisions.

    @dana- submission fansaties are the preferred term, at least in that NYT article – a barometer of currently approved PC expressions. but nancy friday 30 years ago called them what they were – straight out, undeniable rape fansatsies, sometimes with incest (father) involved. does that mean that her kind of pop psychology was more provocative because it was trying to be more commercial – or does it mean that she was free of the PC cant that came along later to infest academia? or does it mean (most likely) that fantasies of rape are just that – innermost urges that would be unacceptable in real life.

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  256. Dana,

    Perfect point on the rape verus ravishment fantasy. I know several women who want the ravishment, the overpowering, but not to the point of complete loss of control. There’s always been this disconnect where I haven’t had the right words, haven’t understood those women, but you summarized it wonderfully.

    And, yes, you’re probably right about the guys she brings home versus the guys she’s attracted to. Unfortunately, the latest is really not marriage material… and he’s still a depressive metro. They’ve been looking at engagement rings, which makes me wonder if I’m going to be stuck helping her foot her designer clothes bills when she gets older.

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  257. poetry,

    the difference between rape and ravishment is attraction–just like flirting and sexual harrassment

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  258. LOL. First off, Whiskey, Scarlett can’t be more than 150lbs, hardly an “obese” Woman in our time. Her waist measures well under 30 inches, most Women don’t have that unless they’re under say, 120lbs?

    Her hips are about 44 inches or so, hence the reason why her bum looks so big-the differential btw her waist an booty is, well, huge. Yummy.

    In the words of the great philosopher Biggie Smalls: “strictly for Live Men, not for Freshmen…” *Ten Crack Commandments*

    Dave Alex: based on what you told me about your shortlist of favorite porn stars, Scarlett is far and away better looking facially, and unlike 99% of em, nothin’s fake on her, chief. And here again we go w/your “the White Man’s ice is colder” stuff. Yuck.

    As for the notion of lower IQ and bigger gals, once again we can see the knuckles scraping the bottom of the barrell-how does one account for the fact that obstensibly smarter guys like Roissy are in effect, doing the same thing-that is, merely only shagging large numbers of Women?

    *SMH*

    O

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  259. on July 14, 2009 at 6:40 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    i think the makeup, hair, and fashion industry is ultimately all about that too, gays notwithstanding.

    Yes, yes, and loud emphatic no.

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  260. is she 4’5″?

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  261. @ Obsidian, et al

    LOL. First off, Whiskey, Scarlett can’t be more than 150lbs, hardly an “obese” Woman in our time. Her waist measures well under 30 inches, most Women don’t have that unless they’re under say, 120lbs?

    Her hips are about 44 inches or so, hence the reason why her bum looks so big-the differential btw her waist an booty is, well, huge. Yummy.

    Hahahahaha!

    Scarlett is TINY. Camera really does add pounds, and they film her so she doesn’t look like the 5’4″ she actually is. Last time I saw her she was absolutely no more than 115lbs (but I think her weight fluctuates), and I’d say her waist is about 25-26. Hips are about the same as mine, probably 36-37.

    Sorry kids. The silver screen lies.

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  262. @V- OK, will do. you could have posted it yourself … maybe you just wanted my e-mail address…

    @dana – cool link on plastic surgery. that’s kinda what i had in mind for the commercial-type research, at least at a basic level.

    @rum/hippo- the difference is, fat women can make the effort to lose weight, but it’s much harder for the beta males to get a personality transplant.

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  263. Lil GRL –

    Are you talking Scarlett, the subject of this post pictured above or Scarlett Johannsen?

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  264. @ Joe

    OH hey.

    Sorry, I’m at work and can’t scroll up.

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  265. But thought I saw SJ mentioned on here, too. Could be wrong, hmm.

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  266. @epoxy- OK, i’ll partially withdraw fashion. i think the gays and women cohabit that one.

    @LILGRL – what whaat? you go see Scarlett live on a regular basis? hmm…

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  267. I’m a white dude who likes big-assed women, but I picked the “Grotesque” option for two reasons.

    First, her face is not attractive; it reminds me of that of a (male) Thai acquaintance. Second, her legs appear stumpy. While a large rump on a tall woman is appealingly proportional, this chick is built like a beanbag.

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  268. fat women can make the effort to lose weight, but it’s much harder for the beta males to get a personality transplant.

    I dunno. In theory probably so, as it’s a matter of simple arithmetic involving less eating and more excercise.

    But in practice? I’ve never met a fat woman who lost weight. But I know a number of guys who improved their sexual market value from lesser beta to greater beta or alpha. There are quite a few on this blog.

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  269. Maurice, I just might. How else am I going to get into your virtual pants?

    Actually, the site requires student information to access, so I can’t directly link to it, and I don’t have a place (that I know of, anyhow) to host PDFs.

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  270. on July 14, 2009 at 7:01 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Where “Lady Scarlett” is concerned, I’d be more likely to call Greenpeace or the guys from Whale Wars than I would be to take her to bed. (Set aside for a moment that she looks like she’d need a block and tackle or crane to be transported to a bed.)

    Ovid:
    You say “cold” like it’s a bad thing. A friend of mine has described my visual tastes as preferring what you might call “cold, classical beauty”, pale of skin and fair of hair. His pet theory said that I was seeking some sort of purity standard that excluded billions, but that’s just his opinion. I can’t exactly lay a finger on the specifics, myself.

    The “Lady’s” face fails and her hideously disproportionate rear is a total buzz-kill. I’ve seen worse in the world, but those people weren’t supposed to be attractive.

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  271. ah- different scarlett. thanks be to the gods of taste. when you can scroll up you will understand our confusion and horror.

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  272. Question:

    To the wht men who like big booties, please list your age and ethinic group.

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  273. @ PA

    But in practice? I’ve never met a fat woman who lost weight. But I know a number of guys who improved their sexual market value from lesser beta to greater beta or alpha. There are quite a few on this blog.

    Hmm. I don’t think it’s so easy for fat women (or fat men, or fat people in general) to lose weight as all of us non-fat-people might think it is. Or, uh, yeah, I think most of them would get on that. That said, I do know some fat people who have lost weight…less betas who have become alpha, unless I count all of your anecdotes as COMPLETELY TRUE. No offense, but it’s teh internets.

    Still.

    @ maurice

    Re: Fashion

    I don’t think even the fashion industry itself will argue trying to cater to the tastes of hetero men…

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  274. attractiveness as described by waist-to-hip ratio is maintained cross culturally irrespective of body mass index

    bout’ two thirds –> nubility.

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  275. on July 14, 2009 at 7:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””dana
    poetry,

    the difference between rape and ravishment is attraction–just like flirting and sexual harrassment”””””””

    lol

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  276. I know plenty of fat men who have lost lots of weight, but rare fat women who have. The few who have that I’ve met tend to have a lot of male personality traits and may even have been high T. I think most women, especially American women, are just not mentally disciplined enough to pick up exercise and good diet as a lifestyle choice late in life. Instead they chase magic bullets and fad diets or choose an eating disorder.

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  277. Lilgirl – unless I count all of your anecdotes as COMPLETELY TRUE. No offense, but it’s teh internets

    My anecdotes are completely true except for small changes to minor details inessential to the main gyst of the story for the sake of my privacy.

    One of the reasons I post them here (other than the fact that they are fun for others to read) is that I then compile them elsewhere for my own purposes.

    The only other ones I relate are of my two friends, o m e g a male Ace and former – o m e g a Mike.

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  278. I think the LilGrl’s got her Scarletts mixed up, lol. We’re talking about the actual subject matter of the thread, my dear. Scarlett Johanssen isn’t someone who gets my blood pumpin’. But hey, to each his own.

    Again: there are real HBD considerations, and flowing from that, cultural embellishments, on what the races may find attractive sexually. Clearly, anyone even casually familiar w/Black Men know well that the Scarlett above in the photo would easily win a majority approval in reply to the Hit?-No Hit? question.

    Of course, we all eagerly await the results of Roissy’s fieldwork down there in the Chocolate City…

    O

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  279. @PA- point taken, alpha traits can be acquired. in some cases. but so can jenny craig diet shakes, in *all* cases. in both, it comes down to will power and desire to reach a difficult goal. and there, on average, men have the edge.

    @V- minxette indeed. you could download it onto your desktop to cut and paste – that’s what i was gonna do. in a few days this thread will be old, but the topic will come up again – it usually does. so thanks again for taking the time.

    – – –

    off to NYC tomorrow AM- happy hour offer still stands tomorrow or Thursday if there’s interest. Doug Draper, are you out there?

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  280. on July 14, 2009 at 7:10 pm A Heap of Random Sweepings

    Folks should really take a gander at that NY Times magazine piece by Bergner on the female desire-arousal gap that I’ve posted numerous times. As for rape fantasies, here’s the serious question raised by the prevalence of rape fantasies among women:

    If derivativeness of will is, as some of these researchers posit, a fundamental difference between male and female arousal, what does it say about equality between the sexes? Are women, in this sense, inherently less autonomous?

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/humannature/archive/2009/01/26/rape-fantasies-and-female-arousal.aspx

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  281. @ PA

    Should be noted that I meant “your” as in this board, collectively — not you, actually, at all.

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  282. galleries of faces with phi/marquardt beauty analysis statistics

    http://www.beautyrank.com/gallery1.html

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  283. http:// newsfromrussia.com/photo/report/Gracyanne_Barbosa-1377/0/

    a more refined example of gigantic asses

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  284. @ maurice

    off to NYC tomorrow AM- happy hour offer still stands tomorrow or Thursday if there’s interest. Doug Draper, are you out there?

    LET’S DO IT!

    Haha. I miss the NYC…:(

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  285. POF

    Maurice, I just might. How else am I going to get into your virtual pants?

    hey now!

    *sigh*
    *remembering those days with default*
    *passes popcorn to DA*

    something tells me that POF will break Maurice’s back and turn him out.

    Then again, Maurice may very well be one of those nice guys who shock women with their superior performance in the carnal arts. Poor POF will look like she is suffering from PTSD every time she remembers how Maurice rocked her to sleep.

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  286. @chic – you flatter me, my dear. but only my wife knows for sure.

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  287. A Cuban here….

    As several others have said,

    I would hit several times, but I would not keep it.
    -That ass will deteriorate unless she starts squatting, deadlifting and eating good food.

    As for men’s choices with women I 100% agree with Roissy. BUT there is one point that is missing.

    -A woman with .7 Hip ratio and a Bubble Butt is way more attractive than a slim woman. Although there are men who claim otherwise, that is becuase they have yet to have sex with such a woman.

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  288. Chic Noir,
    I think its important to point out that say, I think a “big butt” is and what many White guys’ idea of same may indeed be quite different. For example, hips under 40 inches at nothin’ to me, but for most White guys here, that’s quite substantial.

    And again, I suggest that HBD accounts for at least part of this. Over on the Science thread, which was posted last week, I gave my theory, rooted in HBD, on the different mating strategies wrt Black & White Males, based on differing environments. If you haven’t seen it already, you might wanna check it out. I humbly suggest it merits a read.

    O

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  289. @maurice- It’s very funny when a woman gets turned out by some beta guy who she thought would be a dud. When they give me the run down, they look off into space, their eyes grow large, with a slightly confused look on their faces, it’s like they can’t believe the guy was so talented. More often than not said female will develop a deep attachment to the guy in the hopes of LTR .

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  290. Compare modern standards of beauty with those from a pre-feminist non-homo era.For example;Sophia Loren,Marilyn Monroe,Mae West,Jayne Mansfield,etc..Today tthey would be considered “fatties.”

    [editor: no, they wouldn’t. and anyone who says that is being disingenuous.]

    ***

    I’m not so sure, Roissy. That group would certainly be considered fatties by fashion-model standards.

    [editor: by fashion model standards, maybe. but as has been discussed, the fashion catwalk industry is run by hebephilic homos. most straight men of today would not consider sophia loren in her prime a “fattie”. curvy, yes. but not a fattie.]

    Liz Hurley said of Monroe, after looking at her clothes: if I were as fat as she was, I’d kill myself.

    [it’s wise to ignore what women say about other women’s attractiveness when there is a much better standard of judgment for it — straight men.]

    Fashion magazines and their models, of course, don’t illustrate men’s tastes in women. But consider that Sophia, Marilyn, and West, at least, all had rather soft bodies and slightly heavy legs by today’s standards. I can see some men, the ambitious New Yorker types who marry “social X-rays” finding these women too fat for their tastes.

    Jayne Mansfield is different. She had the big bust, long thin legs without dimples, and the very slim hips now often considered ideal in women. It’s probably important to my point that she became a star later than the other women, in the later 50s, though about the same age as Loren. By that time, really toned, really slender long legs were becoming essential to the idea of a “good figure”, which they hadn’t been before.

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  291. Another point of order:

    Lady Scarlett’s been doing the exotic dancing/modelling thing for what, better part of a decade now? My understanding is that she worksout quite a bit, so if things were gonna start falling apart it would have done so a bit before now.

    And as for smooth big booties, they most definitely exist, take it from me. & I’ve seen some slimmer gals w/pimples on body surfaces that don’t look so flattering.

    O

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  292. @Mandy”Of course there’s lots of you to go around, you’re fatter than wally the walrus.

    Don’t get up from your office chair, you might cause an earthquake.

    (disclaimer: this was all in jest)”

    When you shit test, it’s kinda cute how you try so hard. The disclaimer’s the funniest part.:)

    [editor: you are in the running for leaving the dullest comments on this blog. you’re the human spam cannon.]

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  293. on July 14, 2009 at 7:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol obsid your gonna make pupu work her ass off doing the analysis now he he he

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  294. LILGRL-“Hmm. I don’t think it’s so easy for fat women (or fat men, or fat people in general) to lose weight as all of us non-fat-people might think it is.”

    It’s so funny that you think you’re not fat.

    You’ve got thunder thighs baby! You tried to hide them by choosing a sitting pose for your soft-core porn shoot, but we are not fooled.

    You’d only look “non-fat” when standing next to the giant cow in the picture above.

    Maggie Q is not fat. Google her pictures if you need clarification.

    You are fat.

    Try putting some coco-puffs back in the box, little piggy.

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  295. on July 14, 2009 at 7:39 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    1. Her face is not attractive. Maybe if she smiled she would like more pleasant.

    2. Her waist is quite thin but her butt and legs are not proportionate to her waist. To me, proportion is what makes a figure or physique attractive. I’ve seen women with bigger waists but smaller butts and legs than her that are better looking because they are more proportionate.

    3. I think most models appear harsh and unattractive these days, regardless of size, because you never see them smiling. They just look MEAN.

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  296. @Keith:

    Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of you eating 30 big macs in twenty seconds.

    @chicnoir:

    My boyfriend’s white American and he likes teh booty.

    He says big boobs scare him because they remind him of his sister. xD

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  297. Random Sweepings

    The NYTs article has been much discussed around here. My personal take on the widely observed dis-connect between the female brain and the female pussy is that 1. Women have never needed to use their brains to obtain a sperm-dose so awareness of the challenges involved is of no help. 2. Arranging a long term committment is the hard thing and so their brains work on that 3. The sort of man that makes their ginas tingle is the opposite of the sort best suited for long term committment 4. They are better off being unaware of #3 if they are going to talk themselves and some foolish guy into such a thing.
    I find it almost pathetic that women Scientists came up with the idea that physiological arousal if a self protective thing when the image of an erect penis does not elicit it but two women making out does.

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  298. One other point to make is that while more voluptuous women may be wuuuuunderful in their 20s, they tend not to age as well as thinner women, a major consideration if you are looking for a wife and not just a fling.

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  299. @Chic

    “To the wht men who like big booties, please list your age and ethinic group.”

    35, English, French, almost certainly German, likely Italian

    [editor: and 100% beta. the line starts at the end of the block, ladies! helpful hint: don’t make him miss wapner.]

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  300. @ A.J. Travis

    You’d only look “non-fat” when standing next to the giant cow in the picture above.

    SRSLY!

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  301. In the old days “sex symbols” never took off any cloths. Marbleized flesh was hidden inside the costumes.

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  302. Do you not know how to spell the word ‘seriously?’

    Yes, chubby. I’m serious.

    Clearly you know where your boyfriend hides the cool-whip.

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  303. on July 14, 2009 at 7:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””I think any man who says they wouldn’t have sex with her is in denial.”””””””””””””””

    Do you know how many guys would be physically impossible to fuck this chick lol

    The dick don’t lie.

    And if the dick won’t get hard you ain’t fucking it.

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  304. @Gunslinger:

    HAHAHAHAHA.

    I’m glad to see someone on here that’s sane.

    o.o’

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  305. Speaking of Asian Women, the only ones I’ve consistently found attractive were Filipinas and Cambodians, the latter of whom seem to rival some Sistahs in the thicknes dept. Nevr dated any of the latter, and only one of the former. Hmm.

    O

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  306. Pupu’s roster of the day

    Height of Roissy’s female commenters:

    Chic 5’9.5″
    Poetry of flesh 5’9″
    kalliope 5’9″
    S. 5’9″
    Clio 5’8″
    Lilgirl 5’7″
    Lady Rain 5’6″
    Aoefe 5’5″
    Mandy! XD 5’4″

    [editor: clio and up make the roissy cut. while height on a woman isn’t that important, it is a leading indicator of long legs. and i’m all about the wraparound.]

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  307. @MU- What do you think about Amber Rose and Ki toy? She is a smaller version of Scarlett. Amber dropped some weight recently, but not her curves.

    KI Toy is a smaller version as well. She is the lead girl in the video.

    PA, don’t waste you time clicking on the link. She has D cups 🙂

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYZpB_sTx4

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  308. Pupu just made Mandy realize what a runt she is. 😦

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  309. @gunslinger
    hmmm…. think about under certain conditions. perhaps if you’ve less options but still had sexual desire…
    at certain points i’d have to imagine that for men, a woman is a woman.

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  310. @pupu- I’ve noticed that most of the women here are very close in height. Most of us wear the same dress size too(6-8).

    *thumps chest*

    Chic is tallest 🙂

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  311. Thanks for the heads-up Chic!

    You know that flat little bitties, a-cups, b-cups, and maaaybe c-cups are where it’s at.

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  312. @ chic

    Yeah, I’m a size 4.

    Rather obese.

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  313. You never saw a big ass like that glorified in the past. It’s indicative of changing cultural tastes – and times.

    The white population dwindles from their ever-dwindling birthrates.

    Mexican immigration will only increase as they gain political power.

    Both blacks and Hispanics have larger families and will become the dominant culture.

    Give The People what they want.

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  314. @lilgrl- pay him no mind. I like your figure. You could hold your own with the women in the video I linked too.

    PA Thanks for the heads-up Chic
    Your welcome, I know the tastes of my e-buddies . Funny enough, she gets str8 check marks on DA’s list until you get to her natural tan.

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  315. on July 14, 2009 at 8:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Dreamer
    @gunslinger
    hmmm…. think about under certain conditions. perhaps if you’ve less options but still had sexual desire…
    at certain points i’d have to imagine that for men, a woman is a woman.”””””””

    Nope

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  316. @Ed “and 100% beta.”

    Your denial and jealousy are funny.

    Just don’t miss your dose of valtrex.

    [editor: you seem to know a lot about valtrex. you must be a power user. the butt love isn’t helping matters, keith.]

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  317. chic noir

    If I told you you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me?

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  318. @Rum- you make me smile. Sometimes those corny lines can make a woman giggle and open up(no pun).

    1. Guy to female – are you tired
    girl : huh
    guy- cause you’ve been running thru my mind all night.

    2. guy- are you an angel
    girl- what
    guy- cause you look like you’re from heaven.

    3. the old standby

    guy to girl- are you a model?

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  319. on July 14, 2009 at 8:29 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Who’s saying she’s under 150????

    Watch the pole dancing video. Sorry, no way is she under 150 pounds. Whatever magazine you’ve read was lying.

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  320. on July 14, 2009 at 8:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    For lilgrl benefit yea not close with top picture not in same ballpark.

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  321. How reliable can these poll results be? Don’t you think a lot of clowns are putting various answers for laughs?

    It’s like surveys where people are asked about various personal matters. Anonymous responses or not, I think the propensity of most people to kid themselves (and others) makes all such surveys and polls highly untrustworthy.

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  322. Had a tiny girlfriend once. She was 4’9″, 85 lbs, 34-22-35 and a size 00.

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  323. I remember someone linking a fascinating mutation [perhaps that’s not politically correct: genetic variation] that resulted in Scarlett’s booty. Cannot remember its name.

    [WARNING: Non-looks based evaluation of female species below.]

    Lindsay Lohan disgusts me and seeing the name resulted in… I just cannot shake her as a child star and the wrongness of transit to adult roles/rehab. Sort of like Anne Hathaway.

    Salma Hayek. Perfect antedote. Fair bit of Lebanese in her too. And I love how she used those breasts for something other than a pretty show, but what they were meant to be used.

    maurice: The Draper is out of town this week. [I am post-break-up stalking him; how else would I know?]

    LILGRL: Your figure makes me wonder if I’m bi. No more pictures, for my sexuality’s sake.

    Pupu: Your data gathering makes me very nervous.

    chic: You make the roissy cut. You heard the man. I knew all that ‘ed’ was just pigtail pulling.

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  324. on July 14, 2009 at 8:39 pm formerlyomegabeta

    @lilgirl — yeah you’re a size 4 but how tall are you?

    The crazy thing about women’s clothing sizes is that the numbers represent an absolute “diameter”. So size 4 and 4′ 10″ could be chubby. Size 4 and 5′ 10″ would be thin.

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  325. the technical name for the smelly looking deformity that Negress is sporting is “steatopygia”

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  326. @cptnapalm:

    wow that’s little.

    But cute. She had curves. 🙂

    I don’t feel so tiny now though.

    @chicnoir:

    I’ve always been curious; what do you look like?

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  327. That chick is fat Lilgirl/Obsidian. FAT FAT FAT. A six footer plus, like say Kerri Walsh or Maria Sharapova, may weigh quite a bit more, but THEY are not fat. That chick is just gross, fat, fat, fat. Fat like Kirstie Alley fat. Fat like Roseanne Barr fat. Fat like Star Jones fat. FAT FAT FAT.

    It is not raw weight, it’s how much proportionally you pack on. This chick should stay away from Japanese whalers, is what I’m saying. FAT.

    Ugh. I can’t believe guys find this at all do-able. I’d rather watch a baseball game.

    Johansson is more curvier than your standard Hollyood skank (Lindsay Lohan, say Paris Hilton), but she’s actually attractive, absent her getting tested every six months for STDs and such. Guys don’t like Whales, or skinny boys in training (that gay casting directors and fashion designers love).

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  328. Mandy:
    She indeed had very womanly curves for being so small. If only she did not come draped in red flags, with red flags falling out of her purse as she went to the red flag store to buy more red flags…

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  329. on July 14, 2009 at 8:49 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    I’ve never understood the sexual appeal of East Asian women. I’ve never seen an East Asian woman that I thought was gorgeous. Attractive – yes. Off the chain – never.

    I’ve seen a number of East Asian men whom I thought were good looking, but again, not gorgeous.

    Whereas with other ethnic groups, I’ve seen several gorgeous pieces of art in almost all of them – South Asian, West Asian (middle eastern), African, Meditterenean, Latino, Carribbean, even anglo-saxon and Northern Euros.

    But Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Cambodian, no.

    However Balinese or Samoan, yes, I’ve seen some gorgeous people amongst them. A few Thais – maybe.

    Maybe I need to make a trip to the Far East in order to acclimatize my tastes.

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  330. Standard line used by GIs in Europe, “Hey, you look just like my girlfriend.”

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  331. no wonder
    we lost
    ww2

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  332. See, there you go again Whiskey, doing that OneSTDV thing-looking at things through a keyhole instead of through a door.

    There is just no objective comparison to be made btw Lady Scarlett and the Women you mentioned, and you know it. She aint your cup of tea, cool but there’s no reason to go hatin’.

    Btw, have you watched The Wire yet?

    O

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  333. Bhetti,

    Pupu could not figure out how tall you are.

    Lilgrl,

    you are gorgeous.

    Chic,

    Except for yours and, now, Lilgrl’s, there is no data on other gals’ sizes, really.

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  334. @cptnapalm:

    That sounds rather unfortunate.

    What red flags did she have?

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  335. Mandy,

    You are no runt! You are at the average height of a north American woman.

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  336. Mandy:
    I can hardly remember them all. It is a long, long story.

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  337. To Lilgrl, Pupu should have said “you are GRGS”

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  338. on July 14, 2009 at 8:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Bhetti,
    maurice: The Draper is out of town this week. [I am post-break-up stalking him; how else would I know?]””””””

    lol I guess sometimes it is best to go for the vag tingle he he he

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  339. I’m a white guy, and I’m very turned on by her body type. I’d say it’s really close to what I find ideal in a woman. In fact, I masturbate to bbw’s in porn almost exclusively. I’m an ectomorph myself, so maybe this is nature’s way of balancing out the gene pool.

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  340. on July 14, 2009 at 8:58 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    the technical name for the smelly looking deformity that Negress is sporting is “steatopygia”…..

    Smelly looking? What? Where?

    steatopygia? where? Did i miss something?

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  341. Scott

    Have you ever considered that it might be nature trying to kill off certain genes?

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  342. Pupu is made of 100% adorable. (:

    @cptnapalm:

    That sounds really terrible. I’m sorry you had to go through that, but at least it can be a learning experience. Or you can do what I like to do, and turn it into a really, really funny story filled with funny voices and wild hand gestures.

    Yes.

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  343. on July 14, 2009 at 9:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea back in the day the birth mother would of probably just killed the different and not thought to much on it. Now everyone gets to live so a lot of freaks.

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  344. BBW are NOT fertile. You will find their body type in books about Infertility and Maternal Complications. Plus, how far could you travel thru the forest in the old days if you had to have one of them along?

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  345. on July 14, 2009 at 9:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol my black buddy just handed me a copy of a magazine with chicks who looks almost like that on cover. I really think this is solved now. I m putting a vote on black for juice in the caboose.

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  346. Salma Hayek. Perfect antedote. Fair bit of Lebanese in her too. And I love how she used those breasts for something other than a pretty show, but what they were meant to be used

    @Bhetti- That poor but well fed little boy will have braging writes in 15 years.

    Whiskey- I’m surprised you’re being so harsh. Of all the guys here, you seem to be a bit softer when it comes to looks.

    @mandy- I posted a pic long ago. I’m a decent looking medium complected blk girl. Ethiopians and some African-Americans tell me they can see the quarter but I think I look like an African-American .

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  347. * bragging rights*

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  348. It’s a good thing that girls don’t poop. Otherwise I’d wonder if she can reach her asscrack with Charmin.

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  349. @chic noir:

    What post did you post the pic in?

    And since people are mentioning beautiful actresses, I’d like to add Paz Vega to the list.

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  350. [email protected] gunslinger
    but i don’t think the rear-end fascination is just a black thing.

    @ chic noir
    ethiopian women are gorgeous. also, i had a friend from eritrea, very beautiful.

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  351. pupu Chic,

    Except for yours and, now, Lilgrl’s, there is no data on other gals’ sizes, really.

    the bulk of the women here have posted about their dress size at some point. usually when talks turns to curvy vs fat.

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  352. a few comments

    – just because sotomayor was in the US senate today taht racist Roissy ignored hispanics in his survey. in isteve terms, this is a hatesurvey

    – the girl has a nice face and hair, the best a black girl cah achieve. but her body proportions are grotesque. I´d rather masturbate myself with a soap bar in the bathroom with cold water in winter than bang her

    – obsidiAN is right that the most ardent HBD believers are also the worst losers in the sexual market. this is why I say that all HBD blogs are bitter, except isteve, where massive censorship avoids commenters from turning the blog in another halfsigma vortex of bitterness

    – unfortunately obsidian, black females are ugly like nothing else on Earth. even though black guys are net winners in ht e sexual market

    – only HBD can generate a consistent case to avoid the taxation of high IQ people for redistributive reasons. high IQ people who are gameless and make less money than they think they are entitled to are allies of NAM´s and SWPL´s in their jihad against high earners

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  353. Most of sexual attraction is a factor of inherent behavior. No one taught me to like vaginas. If I grew up alone on a dessert island with one man and one woman, I would still like vaginas.

    But.

    Something should be said for preference based on familiarity.

    I’m 36 years old. Up until my late 20’s, I was into VERY skinny chicks. I’m talking girls who had the body of a 14-year-old boy. That was my thing,

    But then I met and fell in love with a woman who was more curvy. We only had sex once or twice before she dumped me.

    But after that I got into more curvy chicks. Now it’s what I prefer. Could be that I got older and my preference changed. I still hook up with skinnier chicks now. But I like curvy chicks. Not fat chicks. But women with nice hips.

    Just sayin.

    Eric Disco

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  354. on July 14, 2009 at 9:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Inside the mag there are actually some ok asses. Some bitch in here said my best sexual experiences don’t involve a man they involve me. She is also the one that looks like she is covered in crap but I think maybe chocolate sauce.

    wtf black mag size does matter pill add busted.

    Two questions answered he he he

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  355. I don’t even know what my dress size is.

    Some of my dresses are 00, one is a 4, another is a 2.

    I fit into all of them perfectly. :/

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  356. [editor: apropos of everything, renee zellweger looked like shit in “appaloosa”.]

    Renee also looked horrible in Bridget Jones 2. I hated watching the movie she looked so bad.

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  357. this is probably the greatest problem with miscigenation.

    blacks kill white beauty. for every alicia keys there will be 1000 scarletts who are plainly disgusting. but the boys who are born from mixed race couples tend to get the best of both races, thus keeping the destruction of beauty for another generation, even though in a lesser degree.

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  358. But after that I got into more curvy chicks. Now it’s what I prefer

    are the skinny nchicks as easily available as they were when you were 26?

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  359. Scarlett is far and away better looking facially, and unlike 99% of em, nothin’s fake on her, chief

    Scarlett is far uglier than any porn star that I’ve mentioned before. Hell, non-date is hot compared to her…

    unlike 99% of em, nothin’s fake on her, chief

    Hence her small nearly useless b-cups.

    the fact that obstensibly smarter guys like Roissy are in effect, doing the same thing-that is, merely only shagging large numbers of Women

    The question is if Roissy’s choices in women are influenced by his IQ and T levels, and would low IQ and higher T levels change his choices to possibly uglier women and more unprotected sex.

    But in practice? I’ve never met a fat woman who lost weight.

    If losing weight makes you a five, is there an incentive to lose weight to go have sex with David Alexander? Hell, is the average beta male worth giving up the carnal pleasures of food?

    while height on a woman isn’t that important, it is a leading indicator of long legs. and i’m all about the wraparound.

    Since I’m 5’8, I’m sorta stuck with the (ditsy) shorter girls with crap legs since it eats away at my beta soul to have the girl be taller than me. Plus, some girls hate having to wear flats around their boyfriends to avoid towering over him (see Wellesley Queen at 5’7). The positive about short girls is that they’re more likely to sport high heels to compensate for their diminutive size…

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  360. on July 14, 2009 at 9:18 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Anyone ever flip through an issue of KING magazine?

    Big booties everywhere. However, even in the big booty lovin department, Scarlett here is exceptionally large.

    I think Beyonce has what most would consider a non-fat, curvy and sexy figure. Still for the breast men, her chest may be a little small. Put Salma Hayek’s chest on Beyonce and you get an almost perfect figure.

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  361. I asked Mrs. PA, who is petite, what size she wears. I wanted a reference point for all this talk of dress sizes.

    Apparently it’s complicated, depending on whether you shop in Juniors/Petites section, Misses/Fatties/Woman-Size, etc.

    So confusing.

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  362. Gig,
    Thanks for the thoughts, but…

    I understand that your country is a thorough mixture of African, Portugese and Indian peoples? If so, I would argue that quite a few White Men found Women of African descent to be quite satisfactory in the boning department. In *your* country, again.

    Just sayin.

    O

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  363. on July 14, 2009 at 9:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    allright guys does xomax work is the question. Can I get the 8 inches I need to be able to fuck the shit out of poetry. Let me go ask my friend he he he

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  364. @PA- “petite” is related to height(under 5’4 USA).

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  365. In *your* country, again.

    have you read the ” anatomy of female power?”

    he says something that is quite true. the catholic church enforces female domination over men. considering that the white descendants of those men are repelled by black women, my take is the following

    portuguese men were dominated by their wives. the only submissive women around were the black slaves. so they banged them.

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  366. Chic,

    You may well be be right. That data may be too disbursed for Pupu to follow. As for height, there was a thread several days ago where many girls revealed their height. Pupu thought it was interesting and made a general remark. But without a roster, people hardly paid any attention to how tall the gals here are. Clio’s height was from her own blog Pupu read awhile ago. There is really not any more data mining beyond that.

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  367. pupu- how tall are you?

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  368. @gig:

    “but the boys who are born from mixed race couples tend to get the best of both races, thus keeping the destruction of beauty for another generation, even though in a lesser degree.”

    I always found mixed race people, the ones that get lucky, turn out to be REALLY REALLY good looking. I once met a girl that was Asian, yet had green eyes. She was beautiful.

    @PA:

    “Apparently it’s complicated, depending on whether you shop in Juniors/Petites section, Misses/Fatties/Woman-Size, etc.

    So confusing.”

    Exactly. Juniors run in odd numbers, misses/adult women run in even numbers, and a woman’s size can change depending on the cut, brand, and style of the clothing.

    It’s not like men, where their pants come in a certain length and waist size. For me, I always have to tailor my pants in length (or cuff them, or buy them short if I get lucky) and wear a belt, because what fits my butt doesn’t necessarily fit my waist.

    It’s frustrating.

    I once found a website for fat chick clothes and the sizes were 1, 2, 3, and 4. So I guess it makes fatties feel better about themselves.

    “It’s ok, you can supersize those fries today, you’re only a size 1!”

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  369. the dynamic is also a bit more complicated. in Latin America high IQ and high T men will do whatever it takes to get beautiful women. so a high mulato could marry a blonde and have children that were beautiful and smart.

    the very first generation after miscigenation is ground zero for female beauty. blacks kill it completely. but after the dynamcis are left to to operate themselves and if there are enough white people around, you may end up with and upper class that is extremely beautiful and a lower class able to still produce beautiful people

    I say that for every Alicia keys that black america generates, black brazil generates 10, even though in relative terms the Alicias represent 1 in 1000 in America and 1 in 100 in Brazil

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  370. on July 14, 2009 at 9:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    I thought it was nice of her to actually put a size down. I thought I had to get a baseball bat inplanted in my dick. But I think 8 inches doable he he he

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  371. “petite” is related to height(under 5′4 USA).

    Fuck me and my retarded FOB ass. All these years and I still can’t speak English. Dictionary.com confirms what you say Chic.
    I figured “petite” means small of frame, not-big boned, etc., and nothing t do with height.
    Learn something new every day 🙂

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  372. I always found mixed race people, the ones that get lucky

    í´d day that miscigenation of whites and asians may damage boys more than girls. the hairless body plus the soft skin plus slower aging of asians combined with the curves and bone structure of whites tend to generate beautiful daughters.

    for boys it is the opposite. black and white == fugly daughters and alpha sons. white+ asian == beautiful daugthers and o m e ga sons

    google ” sabrina sato’ or ‘ fernanda takay” to see prime examples pof female beauty resulting of white + asian mix

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  373. Gig,
    Yea, I’m down w/Chinwezu’s work, hope I spelled his name right. Sounds like a nice reacharound for the simple fact that dem White boys got mean Wood for dem Darkies back in the day. Period.

    O

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  374. LILBIGGRL-“Yeah, I’m a size 4…”

    After all your “I’ve never posted half naked pics of myself on my blog” lies, I don’t believe anything you say.

    And since I am not gay, I have no idea what a size 4 equates to, in terms of height and weight. (Which is probably why you spouted that of as ‘proof,’ instead of your actual height and weight.)

    Tell you what, piglet: Post a full-length, bathing suit picture of yourself, standing up straight, and well see what the guys here think.

    If the majority say you’re not fat, I’ll apologize and never say it again.

    Put up or shut up.

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  375. on July 14, 2009 at 9:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””’white+ asian == beautiful daugthers and o m e ga sons”””””””’

    If that was the case no way I could be trying to have kids with asian chick. They both come out god looking.

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  376. on July 14, 2009 at 9:36 pm Willard Libby

    Fat Or Not Fat?

    Everybody thinks she’s fat. It’s just that some guys think it’s good fat. She carries her blubber better than most tubbies.

    Scarlett is just a fat load. Very non sexual.

    collegeboy – ‘You border jumpers will have to choose white or asian.’

    I’m a devoted hispanic reader. I feel offended.

    Scarlett is too fat. I as a hispanic man like my women plump in the right areas. That ass by itself weights as much as DA’s body weight.

    Now Vida Guerra’s body type is just right for me.

    ‘Selena Spice’ is a Latina with a great body….

    1

    2

    3

    4

    5

    6

    7

    And any of you women who don’t agree are just jealous bitches.

    Pupu – Pupu’s roster of the day

    Height of Roissy’s female commenters:

    Chic 5′9.5″

    Who cares, she’s some kind of East African wildlife hybrid.

    Poetry of flesh 5′9″

    It’s a dude!

    Lilgirl 5′7″
    Lady Rain 5′6″

    Hey, the Asian bitch is taller than the Kraut. The Master Race is slipping.

    Aoefe 5′5″
    Mandy! XD 5′4″

    Aww, how cute. It’s like mom and daughter are twins.

    Mandy! xD – Pupu just made Mandy realize what a runt she is.

    Don’t worry, you’re only 17. You will fill out nicely as you age. You’ll be nice and round and hairy. Like a lot of old Cuban woman.

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  377. PA I figured “petite” means small of frame, not-big boned, etc., and nothing t do with height

    don’t despair, many people use petite when talking about frame.

    Fuck me and my retarded FOB ass. All these years and I still can’t speak English

    IIRC you speak three languages. In America, that makes you a genius, no iq test needed.

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  378. on July 14, 2009 at 9:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    ohh freud good looking.

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  379. I am not concerned at all with the rise on the number of low IQ people. Oligarchy has always been the standard form of government in the World.

    there may be brief period of anarchy when the shudras overthrow the bhramins, but oligarchy is so deeply rooted in nature and tradition that it will always quickly reassert itself

    the problem for me is the India nightmare. An oligarchy where there are no beautiful around. Female beauty is the greatest treasure on Earth

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  380. Not complicated in the UK, it seems. It’s just 6 as smallest (well, smallest I’ve seen that a person can buy anyway, not usually available), 8, 10, 12, 14 etc. as sizes here. 14 would be the fat/chubby mark on most people.

    I’m not saying anything about any of my parameters until Rum gives a detailed breakdown of his.

    I’m just sayin’

    I do fear that with every chunk of data Pupu has, that chunk could be the one that leads to triangulation of location, mother’s maiden name and, even what groceries I bought during the month of August 2005.

    Such do Pupu’s powers seem to extend.

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  381. @gig:

    There are attractive mixed Asian boys as well. Like the Nozuka brothers.

    But I happen to find men that aren’t particularly hairy attractive.

    Blasians (black and asian) tends to be an attractive mix as well, although maybe only in men. (I don’t have any celebrity examples, but I do know some IRL)

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  382. on July 14, 2009 at 9:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Gunslingergregi
    allright guys does xomax work is the question. Can I get the 8 inches I need to be able to fuck the shit out of poetry. Let me go ask my friend he he he”””””””””

    Ok yea right everyone is taking all these pills and shit no one wants to come forward and let me know if I try this shit will my dick fall off.

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  383. white+ asian == beautiful daugthers and o m e ga sons

    Jon Gosselin (of Jon & Kate + Eight) is white/Asian. Dad white American, mom Korean.

    So his eight kids with Kate are 1/4 Asian, 3/4 white. The girls look like they will grow up to be gorgeous.

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  384. obsidian

    but then why are the descendants of those same white boys so repelled by black girls today?

    unless you count Gracyanne Barbosa and Adriana Lima as black, which by american standards you could, and by the same way I would treat Alicia Keys as white, there are simply no black women that are attractive

    it is like a diamond in Namibia. you know they are there, but you will have lots of trouble finding one. Naomi Campbell is one of such diamonds. how many naomis have you seen in the hood?

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  385. @WillardLibby:

    “Don’t worry, you’re only 17. You will fill out nicely as you age. You’ll be nice and round and hairy. Like me.”

    FTFY.

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  386. Dan: Thanks for steatopygia by the way. Would’ve bothered me endlessly. Fun google search!

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steatopygia

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  387. mandy

    zambos, or the offspring of amerindians and blacks, are the ugliest people on Earth.

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  388. A.J. And since I am not gay, I have no idea what a size 4 equates to, in terms of height and weight

    at her height, a size 4 would put her in neigborhood of the 90’s supermodels.

    have no idea what a size 4 equates to, in terms of height and weight.

    small for her height and very very small compared to the average american woman who is 5’4 169lbs 36c and a size 14.

    I was wondering when Willard would make an appearance.

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  389. Miscegenation is evil and an affront to nature. Except when white guys pull non-white chicks, in which case I think it’s cool.

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  390. @Mandy:

    Kimora Lee Simmons is half-black, half-Asian.

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  391. Whenever the Wire is on basic cable, or better yet, Hulu, I’ll watch it. Can’t be bothered with DVDs or HBO. Homicide was probably better.

    Scarlett is on the other end of the scale from the skinny skanks like say, Lindsay Lohan (coke makes you skinny). Neither skinny boys in training or whales are attractive. It’s ridiculous. But say a Scarlett Johanssen, or an Amber Tamblyn, or a Zoe Deschanel, or a Sarah Shahi, or an Alicia Silverstone, or Kate Winslet, none of whom would be considered “skinny” are probably the sweet spot for most men but are the least represented.

    Because you either get the Lane Bryant crowd (“fat is beautiful”) or the Bruno crowd (“we want girls who look like emaciated boys). Neither of whom have a handle on what guys want.

    I can’t believe any guy finds “Scarlett” attractive. Please.

    Chic — the girl in question may be a fine human being. Exceptional in every way. But if we are talking purely raw sexual attraction, she kills it. In a way say that Alicia Silverstone or Drew Barrymore carrying their most weight do not (because they were never fat the way “Scarlett” is).

    I don’t know about the Asian-White sons/daughters hypothesis. By all accounts the late Brandon Lee was an amazingly good looking guy, meanwhile Margaret Cho or Sandra Tsing Loh don’t exactly push the needles into the red zone on the attractiveness meter.

    Chic — let’s put it this way, no amount of booze googles in the world will let me accept that say, Star Jones or Kathy Najimy are “hot.” And as a character actress, I like Najimy fine.

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  392. anyway, for all those advocating the beta revolution, a question

    the SWPL elite is more beautiful, wealthier and much more inteligent than the overall population and also the rest of the white population

    how exactly do you plan to overthrow an elite that has EVERYTHING in its favor? the American Republic may last 300 years at most.

    an oligarchy based in the current SWPL elite can rule the Western Hemisphere for a thousand years.

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  393. @gig:

    That’s true. I can only think of maybe three exceptions to that, except those people are also part caucasian.

    So eh.

    Amerindian and white isn’t bad tho. From what I’ve seen. (Taylor Lautner, ladies?)

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  394. on July 14, 2009 at 9:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’on July 14, 2009 at 9:45 pm PA
    Miscegenation is evil and an affront to nature. Except when white guys pull non-white chicks, in which case I think it’s cool.”””””””’

    lol

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  395. @mandy- model chanel iman 3/4 blk and 1/4 korean.

    @whiskey- no the wire is better, hands down.

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  396. on July 14, 2009 at 9:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Drew Barrymore is hot. I got wood when she flashed david letterman. Like this chic is wild.

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  397. amerindians are mostly east asians.

    except in the more civilized lands of mexico and Peru, where high altitude created the ugliest pure race on earth.

    my grandmother was half indian. Of my brothers, 3 were blond in childhood and I was the darker looking. Walking in Madrid or Rome with them would make everyone suppose that I was a native walking with his nordic friend.

    reinforcing my point about melanine and aging,my younger brother is 10 years older than me. if we walk together, people tend to think I am his son and wonder why did he get a child so young

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  398. Why are guys here taking steroids?

    Don’t they make a certain male organ shrink?

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  399. Roissy

    you experience is the opposite of mine. guys on steroids do not get laid. period.

    gym-alphas do not use steroids and have bodies that look more natural.

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  400. @gig:

    The same thing happened with my mom and her sisters. They were all blonde, she was the darkest (dark hair, dark eyes, more olive skin) and she was getting carded at 28(and well into her thirties), while her youngest sister wasn’t even 18 and was getting into clubs,etc.

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  401. on July 14, 2009 at 9:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’m gonna try it out no joke well ok as long as you don’t say no he he he

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  402. side note. the Brazilian census asks people to say which race they belong to. they give no options.

    in the last census there were 157 self defined races in this country

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  403. @aoefe:

    I never thought you were fat. I always thought you were a more curvaceous, pinup type blonde.

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  404. on July 14, 2009 at 10:01 pm Vanilla Thunder

    She’d be hot if it wasn’t for the fucking tattoos.

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  405. I’m surprised “Beta” On A Mission Travis is deigning to speak to the “enemy” females. How come he has time to comment? I would imagine he’d be fully occupied pushing the fat members of the revolution off their couches.

    Beta Uprising! They don’t need tanks. They’ve got fat betas. Just put them on a bunch of wheels so you can save costs that way, Mr. Travis, if you’re happy to take advice from a woman, that is.

    Why are guys here taking steroids?

    La la la No, they don’t, I’m not hearing you, people with high IQ don’t do that la la la

    Another pretty lie perishes.

    Anyway, it seems clear it was a try it once thing, at least.

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  406. @gig:

    It’s better than the pre-defined races in America.

    I used to always check White on mine, until I was told it was incorrect, because next to white is “not of hispanic descent.”

    So now I’m Hispanic.

    And I think now it’s being changed to white Hispanic, black Hispanic, etc.

    It’s ridiculous.

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  407. GIG-“how exactly do you plan to overthrow an elite that has EVERYTHING in its favor… an oligarchy based in the current SWPL elite can rule the Western Hemisphere for a thousand years.”

    If that were even remotely true, then things would not be in the shit, as they are now.

    Those elites need someone to do all the dirty work that they won’t do. (Like defending their nation.)

    And when they stop providing Betas like me enough incentive to do those thankless jobs (house, wife, children, and a salary to afford them) then we stop doing them, and the barbarians come over the walls.

    We don’t have to wrest control from the elites… They’ll piss it away by themselves.

    It is the curse of affluence.

    How many of Donald Trump’s kids served in the military?

    Exactly fucking zero.

    Instead, we will have to regain power from the country that conquers us after the elites dance while Rome burns (China in my opinion.)

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  408. beauty: variable, malleable, subjective. confirms to some basic universal parameters (hip/waist ratio, facial symmetry, fertility markers, etc.) but wide variation *within* those universal parameters for individual taste and cultural norms.

    [ed: {insert rebuttal here} …]

    [editor: my pleasure. you are wrong. beauty is not any of those three things. how else do you explain the fact that infants stare longer at attractive adult face than at unattractive faces?]

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  409. I am only bolstered by the fact that I’m skinny compared to the chick in the pic

    I love female self delusion. I could also say that I feel manlier because my dick is certainly bigger than the dick of the chick in the pic.

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  410. on July 14, 2009 at 10:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Nice gonna have to buy some langeraie though.

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  411. @ tarvis

    the SWPL has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to fear from the current crisis. The SWPL elite does not fear violence, does not fear unemployment, they only feel taxes if they are young and beginning their careers

    an oligarchy ruling everything from Alaska through Tierra del Fuego can smash China as easily as Obama can smash a fly.

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  412. @gig

    LOL. Well I’d say you were right, so therefore no delusion.

    @Gunslingergregi – Yep.

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  413. Whiskey,
    Stop making excuses. You can get The Wire for next to nothing on Netflix. You simply don’t wanna Man Up to the fact that The Wire totally obliterates and fucks up your worldview of the Poor Beta White Guys being shafted six ways to Sunday on tv and adverts. Simply. Not. True, and you KNOW it. Which explains why you outright refuse to watch The Wire.

    Next-again there is no objective comparison to be made btw Lady Scarlett and Star Jones, Roseanne Barr or Kirstie Alley. NONE. And neither Barrymore nor Silerstone do ANYTHING for me. Nada. No Wood.

    So, you White guys will simply have to learn to accept, that there are other people in this world who simply ain’t poppin’ to what you say is going on; that don’t mean you can do you; but it does mean that you don’t get to define for me and mine, how we do us.

    Capice, Whiskey?

    Now, be a good lad, and rent The Wire. Learn something about your world.

    O

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  414. The SWPL elite does not fear violence, does not fear unemployment, they only feel taxes if they are young and beginning their careers

    It’s not a given that the next generation of the SWPL elite will retain its present ideology.

    The elite is beyond ideology. They’ll calibrate the official slate of beliefs as needed.

    [editor: precisely PA. you know, you really are one of my favorite commenters. no ‘mo.]

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  415. mandy to aoefeI never thought you were fat. I always thought you were a more curvaceous, pinup type blonde.

    what mandy wrote. you see the body types whiskey posted, and your shape is better than thick Alica silverspoon or drew berrymore. Whiskey would eat you for days and take you all about town on his arm.

    those playboy bots wear corsets to achieve your curviness.

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  416. Of course there is no way to “extend” gods gift to women. Learn the anatomy and that becomes obvious.
    Here is a hint regarding the way those sites do business: If they rip people off in blatant ways, even grossly blatant ways, are the victims going to make a formal complaint?
    Would the letter begin, ” I have always been cursed with a tragically small penis…”? Maybe not, but the inference would be unmistakable. It is the same as low rent hookers robbing their Jons – is he going to the cops?
    Lower abdominal fat pads are the real dick-destroyers. Sometimes they swallow the whole package such that the guy pees thru a horizontal crease. Sorry if I upset anyones digestion but it is something one sees in hospitals.

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  417. “So, you White guys will simply have to learn to accept, that there are other people in this world who simply ain’t poppin’ to what you say is going on; that don’t mean you can do you; but it does mean that you don’t get to define for me and mine, how we do us.

    Capice, Whiskey?”

    Capice means ‘understand’, no one who speaks English understood that

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  418. on July 14, 2009 at 10:14 pm Willard Libby

    aoefe – I am probably the ‘biggest’ chick who comments here at a size 10. You can click on my link and I’ll bravely let you decide if I’m fat or not.

    *gulp here goes nothing.

    What happens when you aren’t straining to pull in your gut?

    Can’t tell from that photo because women put on girl blubber in different parts of their bodies.

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  419. And neither Barrymore nor Silerstone do ANYTHING for me. Nada. No Wood.

    That’s a good thing. If Obsidian likes Scarlett and Whiskey likes Trachtenberg, they aren’t fighting over the same chick. This makes Brotherhood of Man more possible.

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  420. on July 14, 2009 at 10:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    153 black votes but only one guy whose mission is to make the white man know what all the black men think. That is saying something. Maybe the problem is the bad apples have just that big of a disparate impact.

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  421. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/340/14/1092/F1

    Ms. Scarlett may be sexy now, but how sexy is she in 10 years with diabetes, kidney failure, worn out hips and knees, and saggy butt?

    Ms. Anna Rexia may be sexy now, but how sexy is she in 10 years with no periods, infertility, thinned-out bones, fractured back and hips, and premature aging?

    [editor: hi anony. back so soon?]

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  422. @mu- the three white cops were beta. three distinctly different types of beta but their characters weren’t buffoonish. McNaulty was a good looking beta who couldn’t get a woman to save his life.

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  423. I’ll bravely let you decide if I’m fat or not.

    You’re not fat and as a bonus, your racks look decent. You come with an ass and acrylic nails, right?

    Correction: And when they stop providing Betas like me enough incentive to do those thankless jobs (house, wife, children, and a high salary to afford them).

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  424. on July 14, 2009 at 10:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Thanks Rum I think.

    I mean it is not tragic. I would like to have 8 he he he

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  425. on July 14, 2009 at 10:18 pm Marcus Aureliette

    chic:
    “petite” is related to height(under 5′4 USA).

    But petite-sized clothing is also smaller in other ways, it’s not only about height. Sleeve lengths, skirt lengths, torso lengths: any and all can be proportioned slightly smaller in petite sizes, compared to “regular” sizes.

    But even that is not consistent, which only adds to the uselessness of the sizing system….

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  426. Moment of Clarity:
    Everyone who works in health care who are not fat themselves HATE fat people. As in furious loathing.

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  427. GIG-“the SWPL has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to fear from the current crisis… an oligarchy ruling everything from Alaska through Tierra del Fuego can smash China as easily as Obama can smash a fly”

    Ahh, it’s the ‘let them eat cake’ strategy.

    I see my error now. Thanks for setting me straight.

    BHETTI-“I’m surprised “Beta” On A Mission Travis is deigning to speak to the “enemy” females”

    I don’t hate all women, Bhetti Ameen…

    But I probably do hate you.

    BTW- You face looks fat in that picture.

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  428. I am probably the ‘biggest’ chick who comments here at a size 10. You can click on my link and I’ll bravely let you decide if I’m fat or not. My confidence is somewhat short lived for this excercise. I am only bolstered by the fact that I’m skinny compared to the chick in the pic. And nope I don’t have a rump shot, but I think you’ll get the general idea.

    *gulp here goes nothing.

    Oh and PS at 5’5″ I can do the wraparound. Just sayin…

    [editor: the wraparound is not to be trifled with. experts only need apply. btw, you’re not fat. you could probably trim down a bit, but otherwise you look very do-able. it’s christmas morning here in roissyland.]

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  429. “Had a tiny girlfriend once. She was 4′9″, 85 lbs, 34-22-35 and a size 00.”

    You failed to mention she was 9 years old

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  430. “how exactly do you plan to overthrow an elite that has EVERYTHING in its favor?”

    Guns + Armed Forces guys on our side.

    Mandy:
    ” her youngest sister wasn’t even 18 and was getting into clubs,etc.”

    A sister of a friend of mine started coming to the bar we hung out at at the time. She’d walk in and I would get carded, though I was 22. After a few months of this, during some conversation or other, it came out how old she was.

    Thirteen.

    Immediately afterwards, guys started asking about the possibility of being charged with statutory rape for being within 50 feet of her.

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  431. on July 14, 2009 at 10:23 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Whiskey,
    Stop making excuses. You can get The Wire for next to nothing on Netflix. You simply don’t wanna Man Up to the fact that The Wire totally obliterates and fucks up your worldview of the Poor Beta White Guys being shafted six ways to Sunday on tv and adverts. Simply. Not. True, and you KNOW it. Which explains why you outright refuse to watch The Wire.

    The Wire is soap opera for guys. It might be entertaining but it shouldn’t be used as a sociological study.

    I’m sure the White men who created/wrote/directed and produced it based it on real life Baltimore situations but it’s still just entertainment.

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  432. Troll:
    “You failed to mention she was 9 years old”

    I failed to mention that she was 23.

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  433. Mu & Keith what do you think. PA don’t bother, too much T&A for you.



    marcus aureliette Sleeve lengths, skirt lengths, torso lengths: any and all can be proportioned slightly smaller in petite sizes, compared to “regular” sizes

    That’s because petite women tend to have smaller limbs.

    But even that is not consistent, which only adds to the uselessness of the sizing system….

    You’re right, there is some talk of creating a universal sizing system but designers are against it.

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  434. also, male fetishists of exotic women tend to be men who have failed in finding a partner of their own race.

    roissy-

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but I’m a white dude who has fucked the spectrum (except black…..the sistas don’t really do it for me) and I will tell you hands down, if I could have ANY chick in the world I would take a latina over a white girl any day of the week, asian/arab being a close second.

    [editor: you’ve fucked the spectrum. what i’m talking of are dedicated male fetishists who refuse to fuck any woman but those of their favorite race. it’s those guys who are usually hauling around a satchel of sour grapes and a history of failing with women of their own race.]

    Out of my two best girls ever one was 100% Cuban and the other was 100% Filipina, but BOTH were as American as baseball and apple pie, so it wasn’t about the novelty factor of a “foreigner”, it’s about my dick getting rock hard for olive skin, dark hair, dark nipples……

    Ok maybe that was too much.

    Anyway, the chick in the pic has a decent face and I might fuck her once for the hell of it, but, yea, she’s FAT. No two ways about it.

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  435. Latina here. I feel sorry for any Hispanic guys who would have sex with her. That girl is FAT. PERIOD.

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  436. Guns + Armed Forces guys on our side

    yeah

    the multicultural army taht grants citizenship to foreigners who enlist

    also, you should notice that what matters is not the number of men, but who controls the hardware. red states can field a million men army. if SWPL control the airforce, they can defeat red states as easily as Serbia was defeated.

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  437. on July 14, 2009 at 10:30 pm Virginia Gentleman

    gig:

    Beauty, wealth and “brains” won’t defend the SWPL elites from an angry horde of their “lessers”. Hurling epithets of “racist” and “bigot” won’t do much, either.

    Two words: Russian Revolution. By and large, the Russian peasantry was ugly, poor and illiterate. The Russian nobility, on the other hand, was more or less attractive, generally rich, and cosmopolitan. The proles won that one, led by a guy whose wife looked like a fish.

    Lawrence Auster seems to have it labeled well enough: Morlocks v. Eloi. In a way, that’s unfair to the Eloi; they do seem to have been ignorant—the modern SWPLer is by no means ignorant, but rather willfully obtuse. We’re not even sure that the SWPL crowd can command loyalties—the French revolution seems to have had its share of anti-regime types among the upper classes.

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  438. The Wire is soap opera for guys. It might be entertaining but it shouldn’t be used as a sociological study.

    I’m sure the White men who created/wrote/directed and produced it based it on real life Baltimore situations but it’s still just entertainment.

    The point is not that the Wire is 100% real life. The point is whether TV universally gives white guys the shaft in media depictions and black people are portrayed as superior whenever they’re depicted. Obsidian is giving an example of a show that doesn’t do that. Your answer has nothing to do with what either side in the argument is claiming.

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  439. did any of you read
    empire” by orson scott card?

    http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Orson-Scott-Card/dp/0765316110

    SWPL hi tech, low man army funded by billionaires

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  440. @willard – “Can’t tell from that photo because women put on girl blubber in different parts of their bodies.”

    Yep and according to you I put it all in my lips. 🙂

    Oh and not holding the tummeh in…flat all on its own.

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  441. the Russian nobility was overthrown by Jews, who could be uglier, but were much smarter. in which side are the Jews now?

    the Russian peasants were from exactly the same race as the Russian nobility, what can only make servitude even more socially tense.

    the Russian nobility was nowhere as able as the SWPL elite in generating wealth.

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  442. orson scott card comment was me if anyone cares, which isn’t likely

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  443. on July 14, 2009 at 10:35 pm Marcus Aureliette

    That’s because petite women tend to have smaller limbs.

    Well, yeah! I was just pointing out that it was about proportion as well as height, because your previous post made it seem like it was about height only, when it’s really about being smaller in every direction.

    And the guys here not being familiar with women’s sizing wouldn’t necessarily know that, and it seemed helpful at the time…but maybe not so much, after all. Never mind! 😀

    A universal sizing system would make shopping about a billion times less of a hassle than it currently is. I suppose at least tailors can benefit from the current system….

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  444. Hurling epithets of “racist” and “bigot” won’t do much, either.

    the SWPL elite showed in Serbia that it can be brutal and savage and still rationalize it. They didn´t stop the Serbians by screaming ‘ bigotry”

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  445. on July 14, 2009 at 10:36 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Wow, that is one freaky smiley.

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  446. the russian nobility wasn’t able to marshal unmanned predator drones in it’s defense

    or vertical take off stealth jets

    the notion the “people” can do a goddamned thing against a determined govenrment in the US is ludicrous on its face

    UNLESS–the military itself leads the charge against the halls of power

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  447. the russian nobility wasn’t able to marshal unmanned predator drones in it’s defense

    B I N G O

    [editor: true as long as the elites can expect loyalty from the prole army that serves them. this is not always a guarantee.]

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  448. gig:
    “if SWPL control the airforce, they can defeat red states as easily as Serbia was defeated.”

    True.

    Revised thesis:
    Guns + Armed Forces guys on our side + will to commit genocide of the subhuman swhiplers.

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  449. we are governed by a foreign class now no more and no less than the anglo saxons were governed by the french speaking normans after 1066

    they are not classical liberals OR “marxists” or leftists or any archaic label, they are 21st century transnational progressives and they have nothing to do with you unless they are ruking you

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  450. Gig,
    The basic problem w/the HBDers as they are currently madeup, is that they are basically disaffected relatively high IQ White Males who are being shat on by their social betters, some of whom are to be found among the SWPL Crowd. But you see, they can’t get at them-they have neither the money nor the cache in any other way-so, they do the time-honored thing:

    They scapegoat.

    Like Half Sigma, they hate on “proles” and other Black/Brown folk who really aint even thinking about these, let’s call it for what it is, Losers in Life. Instead of taking the bull by the horns and taking it up w/the people that actually matter, they use their somewhat exceptional intellect to concoct reasons as to why they aren’t Masters of the Universe, and yup you guessed it, its all the fault of those darned NAMs.

    But you see, some of us Darkies done caught on to the game, and things are about to change.

    One major reason why so many of these guys suck w/Women is because they refuse to own up to anything in life. And Women by and large, don’t like whiners-even if what you’re whing about is legit. Women like guys who keep their eyes straightahead and do the damned thing, and least of all, Women don’t like guys who have more in almost every objective way, whipping up on folk who come fomr more humble beginnings. Them’s the facts in the New Grrl Order, and these guys HATE that their supposedly nice guy ways and supposedly good jobs are no longer enough to win the day anymore. Women like guys who aren’t jerks (unless you got the stompdown Alpha cred to back it up), who are cordial, are able to read their subtle, nonverbal cues (YES, Women want Men to be able to read their minds to a large extent, either you’re a natural at it, or you learn how to do it, or you simply get the hell outta the way), and who can meaningfully participate in a Woman’s Inner World-

    ALL of which are alien to these guys. I mean really, can anyone of us picture Half Sigma trying to relate, just to some of the Women here?

    So, there’s gotta be a target, a scapegoat, that makes legitimate sense, and boy they found it-only problem is, those guys don’t have much problem getting nookie. And no amount of putting down their Women and the like is gonna change the FACT that these pathetic Right Enders CAN’T GET LAID. Let alone build any meaningful relationship w/a Woman or any consequence.

    So, instead of seeing what they can do to improve their lot they, like I said, hate on Black and Brown folks. Maybe there’s also a correlation between high IQ and Cowardice? Hmm.

    And, despite the height in Brain Power, the old saw is oh so true: girls mature faster than boys, and in the New Grrl Order, the Right Enders don’t seem to have got the memo: Women don’t have to put up w/highly qualified jerks anymore. That means, you can’t say meanspirited stuff in the office, NO MATTER HOW TRUE IT IS, because, *Women don’t like that*. It ain’t about “merit” or “truth”, its about being nice.

    And, no, Women don’t have to put up with a Right Ender’s “A Beautiful Mind” syndrome, because he was her only meal ticket-sorry, not gonna fly anymore. Women now earn their own loot, and by all accounts, quite handsomely.

    So, in a nutshell, the Whiskey type Betas are no longer needed-and like all other life forms on the planet, the Right Enders will either Adapt, or Die.

    And there won’t be any Women who will give one turd about how you feel, either.

    So, the challenge to the Right Enders, is quite clear-are they willing to Man Up and do what is required to make it in a Feminized World? Learn about social dynamics, from a Woman’s POV? Develop social graces? Stretch their intuition for reading subtle body cues?

    Or, will they continue to blame all their failures in life on people they’re supposedly superior to in every way? Yea, I wonder how that’ll go over w/the hot chick at the club or bar or office party.

    Or, will the Right Enders take a huge swill of their own brew-and simply accept, that their brilliance, comes at a price-one that the New Grrl Order simply is not willing to pay for.

    The results, will be interesting to see.

    O

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  451. on July 14, 2009 at 10:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    Don’t woman like trying on different clothes until they find the one that fits and buy that. he he he

    Like they probably do the complicated size thing to keep woman shopping longer.

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  452. The reason that the Russian Revolution succeeded was the collapse of the regime in the middle of WW1.
    The elites in Russia were always Norse. Russia means “The Kingdom of Rus in old Nordic.

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  453. ruking was a typo

    ruling

    though it could be an excellent portmanteau word meaning “ruling by possession of nukes”

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  454. How many betas have served in the military forces throughout history?

    Members of the army are hot. Even Jane Austen acknowledged this. It is ridiculous how literature written by women is preoccupied with a man in sweaty combat and/or uniform. Seeing action changes a man. One whisper of this… how can he not get laid?

    Feminisation of a military male to the extent that he has trouble with women seems to be a very recent phenomenon.

    Betas are useful for the progress of knowledge. And nothing can stop them from that, not even a beta revolution. It becomes their drive and passion. Reading through the biographies, the great inventors found their families a source of guilt/inconvenience for the neglect. Some sort of social necessity. They also did not make money.

    It is the man who sees the invention and recognises it for what it is, then puts the resources available to him towards it that makes that money. This man is also not usually beta.

    Travis: HATE YOU! YOU’RE FAT! What next? Stamping feet and rolling around the floor in the supermarket? Tears, tantrum? Hyperventilation? What a three year old!

    You’re a fake. You can’t even take a shot properly. Why bother when it’s just a troll formula? The effort of typing is pointless and counterproductive when your brain isn’t remotely engaged. The only achievement is that you look… well, about as smart as the mental effort it took for you to type ‘lol fat”.

    Dan: I think Travis above must be a woman based on your theories about female behaviour.

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  455. on July 14, 2009 at 10:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””cptnapalm
    gig:
    “if SWPL control the airforce, they can defeat red states as easily as Serbia was defeated.”

    True.

    Revised thesis:
    Guns + Armed Forces guys on our side + will to commit genocide of the subhuman swhiplers.””””””””’

    The only problem is it is not easy to pick them out always. You had better hope for utopia.

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  456. is there a particular reason you have taken to calling me “dan”?

    ‘keith’ and’lance’ are women

    aj is a humorless loser who’s blog was painful to read

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  457. 13% of white and asian men would hit this repeatedly.

    32% of black men would do the same.

    now, judging from the fact that *most* women in this country are less attractive than scarlett (think of the whole spectrum and not just the good looking chicks), somebody is lying…most american women have asses that big and wastes 10 inches bigger than hers.

    [editor: i dunno about that. scarlett’s ass is abnormally large. she would put to shame the booties of most american women. granted, obese women have fat asses, too, but theirs are the sort of asses that droop and curdle and meet in that disgusting waddle of fat at the point of thigh and vaj intersection. that’s a different category ass from scar’s altogether.]

    i know for sure more than 32% of black men would ride, of course readers here could be self-selected for hotter women, but i doubt it

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  458. May I re-phrase Obsidian post?
    “If right enders were getting properly fucked on a regular basis, they would not be on an HBD crusade.”
    I would agree about 65%.

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  459. Gunslingergregi:
    Don’t necessarily need to get all of them. Might be funny to have enough to populate American zoos with them. We can store them next to the bonobo monkeys they are so sexually obsessed with.

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  460. editor: true as long as the elites can expect loyalty from the prole army that serves them. this is not always a guarantee

    there ain´t no proles controlling predator drones or flying F-22 fighters.

    [editor: but there are proles keeping the carriers running and the ammo stocked. and millions of them are armed to the teeth.]

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  461. on July 14, 2009 at 10:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Which ok I have to admit this. We do have utopia right now. You can save up 200,000 dollars and then make 2000 or more a month without doing shit. I suppose in reality you could call that utopia couldn’t you?

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  462. gig,

    do you believe branches of the US military would fire on each other?

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  463. “Feminisation of a military male to the extent that he has trouble with women seems to be a very recent phenomenon. ”

    very true…although i have two anecdotes to relate…both my grandfathers were in the military…my mom’s dad during WW2, Korea, Vietnam, my dad’s dad (adopted father) during Vietnam….

    my maternal grandfather and grandmother divorced because my grandfather refused to forgo deployment. she gave him an ultimatum, and he decided to deploy. she divorced him over it.

    my paternal step-grandfather adopted my father and 5 of his siblings. his new wife (my grandmother) was a slut from britain. she had children from 4 or 5 guys. my grandpa walked in on her cheating. he lost stripes because he got in a bar fight over her. stupid shit like that.

    one seemed more alpha, the other more beta…as i’m writing, it’s possible that vietnam era ushered in the feminization of military men….?

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  464. on July 14, 2009 at 10:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just because only a few people do it does not mean it cannot be done.

    The thing I don’t like is you could save that 200,000 and have it taken away in a divorce.

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  465. on July 14, 2009 at 10:53 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Roissy thinks aoefe might need to “trim down”?

    You can see her ribs in that one foto!

    [editor: i must’ve missed the rib shot. anyhow, by trim down i mean 10 pounds, not 50. and i based that on the one photo i looked at. she’s perfectly fuckable.]

    (not saying you look bad aoefe, just wondering why anyone would say you might need to trim down)

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  466. Marcus a A universal sizing system would make shopping about a billion times less of a hassle than it currently is. I suppose at least tailors can benefit from the current system

    Yes and no. The universal sizing system would make things easier when it comes to knowing your size but tailors would probably get more work. I’m sure you’ve noticed that some lines fit your body better than others. Old Navy is horrible for a woman with anything close to an hourglass figure.

    If a line sells well in Asia, the designer’s size will be adjusted down.

    Wow, that is one freaky smiley.
    LOL
    ———————-

    *meanwhile keith looks at kayne west video*
    *mouth drops open*
    *keith reaches into his pocket and throws 30 dollars at his laptop. *

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  467. a much less diverse and much less socially-stratified US army gladly fired against each other in 1861.

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  468. ok, stipulated

    i mean the military of today

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  469. on July 14, 2009 at 10:59 pm Virginia Gentleman

    dana:

    Tsk tsk, you misread history. Stick to your butterflies or fighting with Obsidian.

    Prior to this century, I would have agreed with you about the utter futility of civilian resistance; Eastern Europe in the postwar era alone argues strongly for the proposition. However, our recent history in the Middle East suggests that a large non-military populace determined to continue regardless of cost may very well carry the day. You could also ask Hezbollah about that—I don’t think the Israelis have pulled too many punches, and yet, Hezbollah remains.

    Furthermore, you seem to think that mere ruthlessness on the part of some soldiers is all that’s necessary. Again, the Russian Revolution, or even the Iranian revolution of 1979, argues against your point.

    There’s an old story that the head of SAVAK basically told the Shah that he could wrap up the problem by arresting, and killing, a few usual suspects. The source I read it in seemed to concur. Reza Pahlavi asked James Carter for advice, told SAVAK no, and lost the Peacock Throne. I daresay that the Shah was probably a tougher man than the people who would be herbing the helm during any theoretical beta revolution. I’m sure that Nicholas the Second had plenty of men willing to summon the Cossacks and crush all resistance; it doesn’t appear that he let them do it.

    I seem to remember Noam Chomsky et al coming out against the Serbian operation—the united front that would be necessary to enforce the kind of slaughter you’re proposing probably won’t be there.

    The drones that we know of at the moment don’t seem to be the great weapons of aerial slaughter that you envision. As someone else has pointed out, those marvels of technology have to be maintained. Who’s going to do that?

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  470. Roissy – “it’s christmas morning here in roissyland.”

    And I loooooove what you gave me!!! 😉

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  471. but there are proles keeping the carriers running and the ammo stocked. and millions of them are armed to the teeth

    I have absolutely no idea about how long can a SWPL elite waging war against proles keep the air fighters fueled and armed.

    [editor: the elites have the smarts and organizational power. the proles have the numbers and, when properly inspired (or demogogued), the passion. who would win in that war ultimate is anyone’s guess. in today’s high tech military, the proles are needed, but that may change as more killing functions are taken over by robots.]

    certainly it could be done for a while

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  472. Dan: I have trouble viewing you as a woman. It is psychologically happier and easier for me to see you as Dan. I understand you’re also happy with this arrangement.

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  473. I agree with the Roissy on the slim down for the record. Back at the gym – started yesterday – omg, I can’t even do stairs today without the thigh burn.

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  474. on July 14, 2009 at 11:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea looking at a nice set of tits does have immediate changes on perspective he he he

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  475. Instead of looking at who alpha guys fuck to see what’s considered most attractive, why not look at porn? When it comes to porn, anybody can look at whatever they want, no game required. No need to worry about what other people think.

    There’s lot’s of porn with girls like Scarlett for black guys, usually with the word “booty” in the title. Not much for white guys. So there you have it.

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  476. on July 14, 2009 at 11:02 pm Willard Libby

    aoefe

    @willard – “Can’t tell from that photo because women put on girl blubber in different parts of their bodies.”

    Yep and according to you I put it all in my lips. 🙂

    Oh and not holding the tummeh in…flat all on its own.

    OK, you’re doable. Congratulations. Now go get a glass of wine for yourself and celebrate.

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  477. “I can’t even do stairs today without the thigh burn.”

    i can fix that for you

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  478. virginia

    the resistances of the world carry on because they fight powers who don’t fight to win and are hamstrung by their own morality. you dont thing israel pulls its punches? lol—what if they just rammed through the territories slaughtering every man, woman and child or simply carpetbombed them out of existence? rofl

    what would happen to islam at all if we nuked mecca and medina?

    the notion that we are being resisted by anythong but our own sick philosophy is ridiculous

    glad to give you that little springboard though.

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  479. @chuck – “i can fix that for you”

    Ya? This is a set up for a sexual comment isn’t it?

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  480. @aoefe:

    You’re really, really (can’t emphasize this enough) not a chunky or disproportionate size ten. You have a flat stomach. In spite of being 5’9″, and a size 5/6, my stomach could stand to be toned up. Whilst BMI generally paints a good picture, wrist size is a good indicator of the type of bone structure you have. Slim wrists generally mean you should have a more slender figure, and thicker wrists entail a curvier figure (note: this doesn’t mean flesh).

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  481. I agree with the Roissy on the slim down for the record.

    I think you’re fine just the way you are, but I’m black, and I suspect you’re in the part of Canada with few black men. Plus, you’re probably much to high class to date a black guy… 😛

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  482. “This is a set up for a sexual comment isn’t it?”

    Yes.

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  483. I do think the swhiplers would fight or at least be willing to. I have a feeling that killing Americans would get them off.

    [editor: ha! yeah it probably would. but even if the SWPLers have the will, they lack the way. their macbook-typing carpal tunnel would prevent them from aiming and shooting anything heavier than a snarky comment.]

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  484. on July 14, 2009 at 11:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    VG It will be able to be done without soldiers needing to be ruthless. Simple as someone thinking they are playing delta force on the computer but really they are exterminating people. If the goal of war becomes annihilation. Then war becomes easy. No target is a bad target. Sun tzu is a relic. Past war experience is definetly not going to be an indicator of future perfect war. To get ready for future war need to study the now from a perspective of hitlers mind inside the body of someone today but with the actual capability to mass slaughter without needing slave labor.

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  485. what would happen to islam at all if we nuked mecca and medina?

    I think you underestimate how many muslims there are and how angry they would get. That action would move me to violence and I am very loosely muslim at the moment.

    [editor: multiple tits for tat. i have no problem with nuking mecca if the primitive shits manage to blast one of our cities. in fact, i would recommend it be target #1. and if that creates more fundie wackjobs, then that just means more target practice for our boys.]

    Islam cannot be nuked, I’m afraid.

    You can destroy the temple, but it has reached past the point where you would destroy the worshippers.

    So the total answer is you’d get even the mildest of muslims turned full-blown fundamentalist.

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  486. gun exactly

    the past is no prologue given the technology today

    the only thing stopping the slaughter is the ghost of hitler haunting wurope and the US. that won’t last forever

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  487. on July 14, 2009 at 11:11 pm Willard Libby

    Joe – The point is not that the Wire is 100% real life. The point is whether TV universally gives white guys the shaft in media depictions and black people are portrayed as superior whenever they’re depicted. Obsidian is giving an example of a show that doesn’t do that. Your answer has nothing to do with what either side in the argument is claiming.

    OK, but if The Wire portrays black males as cool/dominant and in any way Alpha, even if they are criminals, then that would be used by whiskey to prove his point.

    I don’t think whiskey’s point is that all black males in the media are portrayed as super moral saintly beings. It’s more that the black male is glorified as alpha dominant even if criminal while many White men are represented as pathetic beta subordinates.

    A certain kind of dominance in White men is THE standard of sin/evil/threat/pathology in the thinking of the White media elite, academics and SWPL types in general.

    There is a lot of truth in what whiskey has to say despite his categorical extremism.

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  488. bhetti–and what would they do while we were nuking them and bombing them with MOABS and, hopefully, shooting tungsten rods from space at them via the “rods from god” program?

    shout allah akbar at us?

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  489. Can I ask a question of you dudes?

    Does a woman’s confidence regarding her body (even if she’s not an 8, 9 or 10) make her sexier in bed? In other words are you able to overlook flaws in her figure if she’s totally into it?

    [editor: to the first part of your question: yes, a confident woman is usually better in bed, because she’s more willing to contort herself with the lights on, making for a great visual show. as for flaws, men are almost entirely visual creatures in the sexual realm, so he’ll probably notice them, but if he likes you and enjoys the sex he won’t say anything, as long as the flaws aren’t extinction level events.]

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  490. on July 14, 2009 at 11:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just need 6 billion bullets but hey we have almost that many cellphones so yea possible.

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  491. on July 14, 2009 at 11:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    If the woman is gracefull what is there to overlook.

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  492. @S. – Slim wrists generally mean you should have a more slender figure”

    And proof I need to lose a few – I have very tiny wrists. 🙂

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  493. dana: Helpless, of course. The counter-tactics would be most likely be guerilla/”terrorism”. Understand muslims present in Western world would instantly turn against, and very aggressively. It is true that of the ones I know of, Pakistan alone has nuclear capability as far as muslim countries go.

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  494. on July 14, 2009 at 11:18 pm Virginia Gentleman

    I’d be willing to bet that there are plenty of IDF officers and bureaucrats in the Israeli government who would be ready, willing and able to send every Caterpillar D9 they have into the Palestinian territory and flatten the place, Rachel Corrie or no. Guess what? They don’t do it.

    Even in a place where it might be defensible, like perhaps Israel, you can count on significant chunks of the government simply not going along with that kind of action. Putin’s Russia and other hyper-authoritarian states are probably the only examples where a) such an order would be given and b) reasonably expected to be carried out. Even if such an order were given in America, I wouldn’t exactly count on it being executed.

    Oh, and our forces will fight each other. Prior to Nixon’s resignation, the Secretary of Defense was very quietly preparing to reinforce “loyal” troops in and around Washington in the event that President Nixon decided to use the USMC to keep the White House. Secretary Schlesinger or Kissinger reportedly had standing orders out to the military to disregard any nuclear launch commands from the President.

    Nuking Mecca and/or Medina might be fun for an afternoon’s enjoyment, especially if we get hit first. However, it comes with drawbacks, as Bhetti so capably illustrates. Islam has about a billion or so adherents worldwide, a few million of which we have imported to the United States. This country no longer retains the political will or capability to do anything about them, much less the possibility of never knowing which of more than a billion people worldwide took exception to the glassing of a holy site and would be willing to retaliate.

    It would be counterproductive. Think back to Stephen King’s The Stand: A couple of guys with the right vials of biological agents and the willingness to die can do enormous harm.

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  495. BHETTI- “How many betas have served in the military forces throughout history?”

    I don’t think that question can be answered with any accuracy past WW2.

    Today, most military members are Betas, just as most men in all professions are Betas.

    It is one career in particular, that Betas are well rewarded for being excellent followers.

    That said, we are talking about the female/pua definition of Beta which means that in a bar, they will most likely NOT be the most socially dominant.

    They will kill you though.

    “how can he not get laid?”

    Because most American women do not value selfless courage and honor when picking a mate any more.

    “Feminisation of a military male to the extent that he has trouble with women seems to be a very recent phenomenon”

    The cause of this problem, is the exact opposite of what you have written. It is the masculinization of women and their sexual habits that gives military guys more trouble with women than in the past.

    “Betas are useful for the progress of knowledge…”

    This entire paragraph is so full of contradictions and half-thoughts I can’t follow it.

    I guess you are smarter than me.

    “What next? Stamping feet and rolling around the floor in the supermarket?”

    I just tried to answer your post as calmly and fairly as possible. In the future, if you want to engage me in an intelligent discussion. Do so.

    If you want me to insult you, talk more shit.

    LILGRL has chosen her path.

    You’ll choose yours.

    “I think Travis above must be a woman based on your theories about female behaviour.”

    You can click on my name and read my blog, and learn everything you need to know including my sex.

    I read all your posts at CORRUPT. I still no almost nothing about you. I can’t hate you till I learn more. So just keep talking.

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  496. @Roissy – “but if he likes you and enjoys the sex he won’t say anything, as long as the flaws aren’t extinction level events”

    Got it. Thanks.

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  497. on July 14, 2009 at 11:20 pm Willard Libby

    Rum – May I re-phrase Obsidian post?
    “If right enders were getting properly fucked on a regular basis, they would not be on an HBD crusade.”
    I would agree about 65%.

    I’ll translate –

    ……”Sheet, If y’all be bangin pussy like the Bruvahs in da hood aint be time to waist with no boring ass science and shit wit all dat numealogical shit and stuff.

    Fuck dat y’all brothas be keepin it real wit da pussy 24/7 while y’all wastin shit with modren civilizational what not and shit.”

    Holla back, peace.”

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  498. With regards to fighting an insurgency, I’ve read that the government needs a 10 to 1 advantage. There are 70 million gun owners in the US, the bulk of them on the right. If 1% of the total would actually fight, then the government would need an army of seven million which would bankrupt it pretty damn quickly, so the government would need to crush it immediately.

    How much time do you guys think would elapse between outbreak of hostilities which would see the LUGs babbling about vagina power and screaming about the patriarchy to the endgame where the ex-LUGs are on their skinned knees singing of their love of the cock?

    [editor: it would be funny if it weren’t so deadly how quickly the entire humanities, feminism, and postmodern edifice would crumble in a second civil war. i’m talking days.]

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  499. on July 14, 2009 at 11:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Dana I will be working on a paper outlining how to take over the world from chinas perspective. Maybe we can understand that we will not be able to have war in the future it will not be like star wars. Lasers do not miss. Computer guided bullets and such rarely miss.

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  500. virginia,

    so then you agree its about political will and nothing else?

    because you were the one that said israel had gone all out against hezbollah when it’s blatantly obvious they did nothing of the sort as lebanon, syria, and the territories still exist and are full of people.

    what would be happening in iraq right now if we fought that war like WW2?

    total devastation

    [editor: correct. and since we weren’t willing to fight the iraq war like WW2, we shouldn’t have gone in there.]

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  501. but if he likes you and enjoys the sex he won’t say anything, as long as the flaws aren’t extinction level events

    See acrylic nails for David Alexander…

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  502. DANA- “aj is a humorless loser who’s blog was painful to read”

    Thanks Dan. It was painful to live through too.

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  503. aj,

    hey

    at least people here think *i’m* a man

    lol

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  504. on July 14, 2009 at 11:26 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Please don’t tell me we’ve got a ZIONIST on board!

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  505. BHETTI-“You can destroy the temple, but it has reached past the point where you would destroy the worshippers.”

    That’s what Hirohito and Hitler thought too.

    We lack only the will today to kill them all. Not the means.

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  506. Willie,
    One of Whiskey’s main points is that mainstream tv shows refuse to depict “the depressing reality of violent streetcrime”, meaning Black and Brown perps. Well, The Wire, ALL IT DOES is shows Black criminals, either killing each other or innocent bystanding Black folks. The city where its shot in, Baltimore, is some 2/3s Black. So, right off the bat, Whiskey gets shot in the foot.

    Next is his analysis, that the Black guys are made to look all cool and the White guys are made to look like fools. One could debate this, but what I take away from The Wire is that there are lots of Black guys who are hardly anything to be admired. They were ruthless, coldblooded killers, sociopaths who had no regard to fellow human beings.

    The White guys in the show were nothing to brag about to the extent that they too had lots of demons to fight etc.

    There’s more I could say, but the bottomline is that The Wire is a sharp rebuke to Whiskey’s “informed” analysis of media stereotypes.

    O

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  507. White man here. What I like about her:

    -Nice, healthy skin tone. Skin looks very soft.
    -Relatively small waist, generally good shape, big ass notwithstanding
    -Nice lips.
    -She looks like she’d be fun to bounce on.

    What I don’t like:

    -Not much. The tattoo is a minor nitpick of mine.

    All in all, I would tear into it in a heartbeat. Yes I would.

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  508. notice the odd elision

    “BHETTI-”You can destroy the temple, but it has reached past the point where you would destroy the worshippers.”

    from can to would,

    look how clearly our enemies know us and how little we know them–if this girl on the internet can see we “won’t” destroy them, what to 1/2 a billion of their men think?

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  509. on July 14, 2009 at 11:31 pm Virginia Gentleman

    dana:

    Allow me to quote my own words for you:

    I don’t think the Israelis have pulled too many punches

    Given the amount of caterwauling that seems to arise from the Israeli government and other quarters whenever the IDF retaliates for things, an order such as you’re envisioning would probably collapse any government that gave it.

    I don’t agree that it’s solely about political will. Take the final days of the Third Reich, and the loss of Paris before that. If we can use generally accepted history, orders from Berlin were to trash Paris and pretty much all of Germany. I don’t doubt for a second that der Fuehrer had sufficient political will that his instructions be carried out. But they weren’t. Speer basically said, “No”, and that was the end of it. That was only two or three steps from Hitler’s mouth, depending upon whether Martin Bormann was involved.

    Obviously the political will at the top is needed. But you also need a corresponding will all the way down to the lowest private soldier who gets to carry out the leadership’s instructions. Otherwise, the dirty work you’re envisioning falls back on the shoulders of the SWPL elites you’re attributing Stalinesque levels of brutality to. To steal a line from a fictional nobleman, “What’re you going to do, herb on me?”

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  510. on July 14, 2009 at 11:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    And the problem in the future if it will be one mans descisions that say do it and it can be people that do the job that do not know what the end result of those 100’s of hours spent at the computer is netting.

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  511. on July 14, 2009 at 11:33 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    dana, who’s the “we” you are referring to?

    you assume everyone on this site is a jew-loving zionist?

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  512. on July 14, 2009 at 11:35 pm Willard Libby

    aoefe – Can I ask a question of you dudes?

    Does a woman’s confidence regarding her body (even if she’s not an 8, 9 or 10) make her sexier in bed?

    Not necessarily. Nothing wrong with a woman who has nagging doubts about herself. For me what’s sexy is helping a woman appreciate her attractiveness.

    A woman’s self doubts are only a problem if she is unwilling to communicate and unwilling to grow beyond those doubts.

    Besides there are plenty of delusional, overconfident women out there which is far worse than an attractive girl with a few issues.

    In other words are you able to overlook flaws in her figure if she’s totally into it?

    I don’t like to overlook anything. And again there are plenty of women who are be “totally into it” who are not that appealing yet there are very attractive women who are more vulnerable.

    Look, if a woman is a goofball and she’s full of herself like the female version of some male jerk who’s a pig but thinks he’s hot then she’s not going to be very attractive.

    Plenty of cool chicks have doubts in private. Nothing wrong with that. That’s just a sign of her femininity.

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  513. Slobidan Milovsivic and his Serbian Bullie-Boys were limp wristed humanitarians compared to the Texas Ranger companies of the mid to late 19 century.
    By the year 1900 there were only about 1000 Comanches & Mexicans left alive in the whole state. And it is a very big state.
    aeofe
    You are hot & all but think carefully on what you can trade it for and for how long you can trade it for anything at all. We all want to be “accepted for who we are” but the truth is you got to earn it. I do not mean you cannot get that, but you got to earn it to really have it..

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  514. DANA-“hey at least people here think *i’m* a man”

    Need validation much Dan?

    They also think that female ‘Jabba the Hut’ on the top of the page is fuckable.

    So consider the source.

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  515. on July 14, 2009 at 11:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Virginia I and my 5 man team probably killed playing 2 years of df2 part time 750,000 kills. Now I am saying right now we have the capability to make real war just like playing df2.

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  516. Some women who have nice bodies/asses whom I find attractive:

    Exhibit A:
    Vida Guerra…again

    Exhibit B: Monica Adaro at 1:26 jean shorts (I almost died.)

    Exhibit C: Leysi Suarez

    Exhibit D: Ninel Conde

    I await moderation.

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  517. perfect 10

    discussing israel’s military capabilities in no way makes me a “jew loving zionist”, it makes me someone who discusses current powers military capabilities and current events.

    aj, there goes that famous sense of humor–i’m sorry, you totally do NOT have the worst personality ever

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  518. Half-black here, and I voted fat. The booty is on point, but the thighs made the porridge I had for breakfast come up.

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  519. @willard
    – “Nothing wrong with a woman who has nagging doubts about herself. ”

    Hey thanks for the reply without launching an attack – appreciate it! 🙂

    I was referring to confidence about her body in bed, not out of it. I believe ALL women have doubts about their bodies, but some are able to lose inhibitions while in the throes of sexual passion and I wondered if that made her more attractive sexually speaking.
    —————————————————————————

    “Besides there are plenty of delusional, overconfident women out there which is far worse than an attractive girl with a few issues.”

    Arrogance is NEVER attractive.

    —————————————————————————
    “Plenty of cool chicks have doubts in private. Nothing wrong with that. That’s just a sign of her femininity.”

    Phew!

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  520. on July 14, 2009 at 11:48 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Willie,
    One of Whiskey’s main points is that mainstream tv shows refuse to depict “the depressing reality of violent streetcrime”, meaning Black and Brown perps. Well, The Wire, ALL IT DOES is shows Black criminals, either killing each other or innocent bystanding Black folks. The city where its shot in, Baltimore, is some 2/3s Black.

    I’ve lived in Baltimore city, but I’ve never seen The Wire other than YouTube clips.

    Here’s some Baltimore crime blogs. They will mention the race of the perps and victims involved. You can search the archives to see that “African American” seems to show up 90% of the time.

    Next is his analysis, that the Black guys are made to look all cool and the White guys are made to look like fools.

    He meant in the media in general not merely on one critically acclaimed but rarely watched HBO cult series.

    One could debate this, but what I take away from The Wire is that there are lots of Black guys who are hardly anything to be admired. They were ruthless, coldblooded killers, sociopaths who had no regard to fellow human beings.

    Well, as long as they aren’t betas, wimps, nerds, asexual losers or brown nosing nonthreatening drones then that doesn’t completely go to countering his point.

    The White guys in the show were nothing to brag about to the extent that they too had lots of demons to fight etc.

    Do they come off as neutered, unmanly types compared to the black males they encounter? When they assert themselves aggressively are they help up for ridicule?

    There’s more I could say, but the bottomline is that The Wire is a sharp rebuke to Whiskey’s “informed” analysis of media stereotypes.

    OK, it’s up to whiskey to make his case.

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  521. if SWPL control the airforce, they can defeat red states as easily as Serbia was defeated.

    what are you guys talking about… hipsters flying bomber runs over red states? the term SWPL is being completely misused in these conversations. the politicians that set policy, the high-level bureaucrats who carry it out, the upper management of corporate america, the traders, fund managers and i bankers… they are all a different kind of white person. and as PA pointed out, they are largely non-ideological.

    the only aspect of society that you could reasonably argue is currently dominated by SWPL-ers is the media and entertainment industries. even that is iffy, since most media companies are owned by larger corporate entities.

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  522. AOEFE- I have to reserve my opinion about your attractiveness till I see a headshot of you that does not look like it was taken with a kaleidoscope or from the window of a speeding car.

    I know you have money (Remeber that jacket) so…

    Hire a photographer and a makeup artist, and get a decent picture.

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  523. on July 14, 2009 at 11:53 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    dana – again, it was your use of the words “we” and “us”. Who’s the “we” and “us” you were referring to?

    A.J. Travis – checked out your blog. i would think that LILGIL’s confidence in her mediocre looks would give you hope.

    As a woman I am happy that finally ordinary women are taking pride in their looks and saying “hey, i am beautiful because I say so”.

    Men can do the same. If you are a beta male you need not feel threatened by beta females with high confidence but you can adopt their thought processes and apply them to yourself. Surely there is something about you that you can find attractive. Just like LILGIL has shown off her legs in your chosen photo and de-emphasized her face, you can also find something about yourself to emphasize and feel proud of, even if there’s another part of your body that you feel is wanting.

    When mediocre looking women or men take pride in something about themselves, that empowers ALL of us. If she does not suffer from low self esteem, there’s no need for you to either.

    Get it?

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  524. @Lance

    what are you guys talking about… hipsters flying bomber runs over red states?

    Hilarious, especially concerning the image it conjures. Agreed about the misuse and abuse of the word “SWPL”.

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  525. on July 14, 2009 at 11:58 pm Virginia Gentleman

    With regards to hipsters flying fighters or bombers, I don’t think they can. OS X or its derivatives aren’t used by Lockheed-Martin or Boeing. True, DOD’s stuff “just works”, but it takes a little more education than what even the “Genius Bar” can provide.

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  526. AJ Travis: dialogue, progress. I rejoice!

    Today, most military members are Betas, just as most men in all professions are Betas. It is one career in particular, that Betas are well rewarded for being excellent followers. That said, we are talking about the female/pua definition of Beta which means that in a bar, they will most likely NOT be the most socially dominant.

    They will kill you though.

    Can anyone else verify this? Are members of the military now mostly beta and cannot get laid?

    “how can he not get laid?”

    Because most American women do not value selfless courage and honor when picking a mate any more.

    That’s a romantacised view of the military’s appeal. It’s more the power display, risking life, teamwork and survival capability. As in, he can kill. Not quite courage and honour, unless we talk about the qualities for a permanent mate. I think we live in a pessimistic age, where this isn’t automatically assumed about someone in the military.

    “Feminisation of a military male to the extent that he has trouble with women seems to be a very recent phenomenon” The cause of this problem, is the exact opposite of what you have written. It is the masculinization of women and their sexual habits that gives military guys more trouble with women than in the past.

    Both happened, I think. Emasculated males seems to go hand in hand with masculinised women. Less emasculated, perhaps, with military men. I don’t know. All knowledge is secondhand. The problem with what you’re saying is that military men are primitively appealing and have always been so. It should be easier to get laid if no emasculation of military men has occured, but it is harder for everyone to keep a long-term relationship.

    “Betas are useful for the progress of knowledge…”

    This entire paragraph is so full of contradictions and half-thoughts I can’t follow it.

    Nevermind, then.

    I guess you are smarter than me.

    I wouldn’t say so or wish to imply it. I realise I must’ve done, but it was to provoke something by saying how you looked.

    “What next? Stamping feet and rolling around the floor in the supermarket?”

    I just tried to answer your post as calmly and fairly as possible. In the future, if you want to engage me in an intelligent discussion. Do so.

    If you want me to insult you, talk more shit.

    LILGRL has chosen her path.

    You’ll choose yours.

    You’re so good with the threatening tone. I get shivers despite myself and wonder at your dark, now secret plots.

    “I think Travis above must be a woman based on your theories about female behaviour.”

    You can click on my name and read my blog, and learn everything you need to know including my sex.

    I do know you’re a man. Dan has mentioned before how women automatically go ‘you’re fat!’ in an argument.

    I read all your posts at CORRUPT. I still no almost nothing about you. I can’t hate you till I learn more. So just keep talking.

    Quite determined on the hate thing, I see. And my grandmother always said you love people as you got to know them.

    dana: er, “enemies”? pathological thinking. Not sure who or what you’re referring to there. As a religion in general, you are stuck with Islam, really. Can’t beat ’em, join ’em. Or make them join you.

    er, speaking of jew loving. I didn’t hear such anti-semitic virulence as I’ve seen on here, especially one historical thread. Clearly haven’t been hanging around my kind enough.

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  527. @AJ

    Most of us don’t want to read the last page first we want to find out what’s between the covers – so to with my appearance – I’d rather keep you guessing about my total attractiveness. Keep you wondering to the end – the mystery. (Don’t tell but I’m pretty strategic truth be told). However piece it together and you’ll get the sum of its parts.

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  528. on July 15, 2009 at 12:03 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Virginia Gentleman
    With regards to hipsters flying fighters or bombers, I don’t think they can. OS X or its derivatives aren’t used by Lockheed-Martin or Boeing. True, DOD’s stuff “just works”, but it takes a little more education than what even the “Genius Bar” can provide.””””””’

    Not hipsters anyone. Ever try a flight simulation get em trained up in no time.

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  529. Can anyone else verify this? Are members of the military now mostly beta and cannot get laid?

    it is difficult to make those sorts of generalizations about the military. take a cross section of service members and you’ll find some intelligent, motivated, natural-born leader types along with the dregs of society.

    the biggest factor that effects male service members mate choices is really logistics. take a bunch of military men and unleash them on the general public (e.g fleet week in nyc) and they’ll do quite well. military towns, on the other hand, are a completely different story.

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  530. Obsidian-

    -You mentioned Taccara as an example of a woman built to your specificationns.

    Personally, the bitch is too damn thick for me.

    Now Yaya, on the other hand, is just about the most gorgeous thing i’ve ever laid eyes on.

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  531. on July 15, 2009 at 12:08 am Virginia Gentleman

    Gregi:

    Yes. Been there, done that, got my unused Falcon 4.0 T-shirt still sealed in its original bag. I’ve been playing flight simulators since the Commodore 64 was brand new, so yeah, I’ve got some experience in those sorts of games.

    You can conceivably teach someone to use a rifle with ease. Not so an F-16C or anything like it. That takes some doing.

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  532. on July 15, 2009 at 12:08 am Willard Libby

    collegeboy – Some women who have nice bodies/asses whom I find attractive:

    Exhibit B: Monica Adaro at 1:26 jean shorts (I almost died.)

    I agree but you should know that cosmetic surgery is very popular in Latin America and that includes BUTT implants. It’s done here in America as well. Some people don’t know about that.

    We all know about the fake breasts well fake butts are becoming more common.

    Monica Adaro’s ass is spectacular but I’m detecting gel implants. Can’t tell for sure without the feel test.

    And what’s the deal with Latin American TV and the juxtaposition of tall hot chicks and weirdo dorky little chubby guys?

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  533. on July 15, 2009 at 12:09 am Gunslingergregi

    Well military guys all tend to get married rather quickly. So yea I think no problem getting woman. There is incentive to get married monetarily though. Basically doubles your pay.

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  534. on July 15, 2009 at 12:10 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Virginia Gentleman
    Gregi:

    Yes. Been there, done that, got my unused Falcon 4.0 T-shirt still sealed in its original bag. I’ve been playing flight simulators since the Commodore 64 was brand new, so yeah, I’ve got some experience in those sorts of games.

    You can conceivably teach someone to use a rifle with ease. Not so an F-16C or anything like it. That takes some doing.””””””””’

    How about small rotary fixed wing?

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  535. [editor: multiple tits for tat. i have no problem with nuking mecca if the primitive shits manage to blast one of our cities. in fact, i would recommend it be target #1. and if that creates more fundie wackjobs, then that just means more target practice for our boys.]

    When VK says roissy: campaign advisor, does he mean political campaign advisor and that’s your real job, not just made up?

    Really?

    Should I be worried?

    If the schwipples aren’t in control anymore, my duty clearly lies in the need to alert The Faceless Muslim Brotherhood. Mecca, we have a problem.

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  536. on July 15, 2009 at 12:15 am Virginia Gentleman

    Gregi:
    I’ve got no real-world experience with gen-av or otherwise; my limited time fiddling around with helicopter simulations convinces me that I’ll never be Stringfellow Hawke.

    It’s conceivable to teach people to fly small Cessna piston-engine aircraft with relative ease, but to make military use of it? Not quite so simple.

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  537. From gay porn director — or whatever it was — to campaign advisor. This blog makes complete sense.

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  538. I was looking for something and I bumped into this (apologies to Roissy for going WAY off current topic):

    http://www.stepfamilyadvice.com/splitsville.htm

    Choice quote:

    That was true of Staton, who had a tough time predicting how her relationship with her first husband would change as a result of the divorce. “One of the trickiest things about the separation agreement is really trying to get as much as you can from your spouse,” she says. “What you don’t know is how the relationship will change. If it becomes more strained, and you’ve already gone once to the well, it will be hard to go back.”

    Staton decided to keep her home for the sake of providing a stable environment for her children. She asked her husband for what she thought were reasonable expenses, but her husband’s attorney cut that amount in half. “I was interested in having peace. I didn’t want a lot of tension with the kids, so I was willing to compromise,” she rationalizes. “But as the primary breadwinner for my kids, I should have asked for more money,” she realizes now.

    I like the “decided to keep her home”, “trying to get as much as you can from your spouse” and “I should have asked for more money” bits.

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  539. Gunny/Lance: That’s the picture I’ve been thinking. Makes men out of boys. Isn’t the problem with dregs is that they get laid (re:whiskey if you ignore the exaggeration)?

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  540. on July 15, 2009 at 12:21 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea but if you could produce 10k a day for a year at a cost of a 365 billion dollars that could fly around the world it wouldn’t matter. That is surmizing a cost of 100k each but more than likely less.

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  541. BHETTI-“Can anyone else verify this? Are members of the military now mostly beta and cannot get laid?”

    I didn’t say they couldn’t get laid. I said they have more trouble getting women than in the past.

    Let me illustrate:

    I was at a wedding a while back. The groom was a SGT in the Special Forces. He has done 4 tours in Iraq. He has done enough deadly shit to give me pause. And I don’t scare easily.

    He is 25. He was marrying a 27 year old, former party girl he met at a bar. He has Abercrombe type good looks, so much so that the other guys in his unit bust his ass about it. She’s 10-20lbs overweight. She badgered him to move in together, she badgered him to get married, she’s badgering him to leave the military.

    Her parents laid out for the whole ‘bridezilla’ wedding. Total cost, around $50G. They are not rich people and I’m sure they went into deep debt.

    In short, she is exactly the type of women that all decent men should avoid, like the plague.

    But let’s face it. The military doesn’t pay shit. He doesn’t have a college degree, so SWPL jobs are out, for him. And he is one of the nicest, most hard working, humble guys I’ve ever met.

    In short. He’s a Beta (in the women/pua definition.)

    And she’s the best he could do.

    No pre-nup, BTW, despite my warnings, which will really hurt him when she divorces him probably less than 2 years form now.

    In contrast, my Grandfather, at the end of WW2 married my Grandmother (who was the hottest woman in her town.) He worked for the rail road for 30 years. She stayed married to him, till the day he died.

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  542. on July 15, 2009 at 12:25 am GNPs are for Apes

    From the polls, we can clearly see that :

    1) White men, Asian men, and ‘women’ have the same opinion of the distorted woman. Even though a small number of the ‘women’ are black women.

    2) But black men have a distinctly different preference than the rest of the group. There is the David Alexander group that probably matches the white/Asian preferences, and then the Obese-dian group that likes ’em fat.

    3) So black men really are different on a psychosexual level.

    4) The reasons for this are explained here. Black men are hard-wired to seek women with the size, shape, color, and texture of the great herbivores of Africa, and thus black women are compelling to pursue these physical traits.

    5) Unfortunately, this reduces the beauty in the world. If black men decided that they would not fuck any woman below a 5, then black women would slim down quickly (although gracile simians like Michelle Obama would still exist). But the willingness of black men to fuck 1s keeps a lot of black women content as 1s, particularly since a black dude like Obesedian can service 5 black fatties at once, so there is asymmetrical power that black men have to keep fat women fat.

    A fascinating subject.

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  543. Obsidian — Probably just as many HBD’ers love Black culture, and mourn it’s passing through sexual dynamics, and moreover see the SAME happening to Whites. You have to admit that the Black culture from Scott Joplin to Marvin Gaye was perhaps rivaled in musical genius only by German culture from Bach to Mozart to Beethoven. And suffered a similar rapid and permanent decline. Einsturzenden Neubauten, Nina Hagen, and Trio (“Da Da Da”) are analogous to Snoop Dog and Fifty Cent.

    Moreover, you’re completely wrong. Girls LOVE guys who are jerks, and “Hot Chicks With Douchebags,” hardly a HBD stronghold, is more evidence of just how much girls LOVE jerks. The more obnoxious, bullying, aggressive, and douchebag a guy is, the more women love him. Example: Levi Johnson, now known as “Ricky Hollywood” (no I’m not kidding) has his own upcoming reality show, and reputedly roles in movies. He got Bristol Palin pregnant even when he was just an anonymous Douchebag instead of the celebrity variety. Or take John Gosselin, who went from sexy times with a local 22 year old to some other 22 year old in Europe.

    Your thesis also falls down in amongst Blacks. No group is more collectively racist and scapegoating than Blacks (see all those folks in Rev. Wright’s church of Hate Whitey, including Obama), nearly all of the men including Obama getting laid on a regular basis. True in Obama’s case it was to a Klingon Lawyer, but I’m sure he got stuff on the side, him being a politician and all. Black leaders like Sharpton, Wright, Farrakhan, and the legions of Black followers who make them rich, are Racist Scapegoaters #1. Followed probably by Hispanics (La Raza). Black women in particular LOVE racist Black guys who scream about Whitey (see Wright, Farrakhan, etc.)

    Amongst Whites, overt display of anti-Black/Hispanic etc. feeling is viewed as “lower-class.” Middle class White women (unless they are slumming) won’t like it. Though lower-class women won’t mind it if the guy is a bad-ass biker or what have you. Black/Hispanic women of all income groups don’t have that feeling. A Black guy can scream about Whitey and it is “hot.”

    Women simply, among all races, don’t have to make trade-offs between dependability, loyalty, and decency, and aggressive douche-bag a-holeness that makes women aroused. This guarantees generation after generation of douche-bags and a-holes, with the degree getting worse every generation, as competition gets fiercer.

    A feminized world is … West Africa. Women have the purse strings, do most of the work, men lounge around, compete to be the biggest thug (per Lauren London’s “I Love Thugs” desires), periodically go on a rampage and do things like chop off arms, behead people (Charles Taylor), view women and kids as … prey. Since they’re not theirs, mostly other men’s, and male cooperation is in the toilet, it has to be. Matriarchies are characterized by extreme violence, ruthless competition over women, ZILCH male cooperation, periodic rampages of men under a ruthless chieftan (the brutal rapes and killings of women and kids, and use of child soldiers, is characteristic of matriarchal societies). Matriarchies because they lack male cooperation at a high and deep level, are usually easy pickings for patriarchal societies that control women’s sexuality to the point where male cooperation is enhanced.

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  544. Bhetti —

    Suffice it to say you are wrong in nearly every respect.

    Members of the Armed Forces in WWII were notably beta: Don Adams (Get Smart) was an Island hopping Marine, Eddie Albert (Green Acres) was awarded the Navy Cross for repeatedly piloting his LST under heavy Japanese machine gun fire to pick wounded Marines off the reef at Tarawa, Ed McMahon was a Marine WWII and Korea fighter pilot.

    The Western Way of War is beta: a lot of guys, together, in unison, who hold the line, in shock combat to annihilation. Austen found the members of the aristocratic cavalry (purchased commissions) “hot” not the actual real-life front-line soldiers. Who generally throughout Western history have not been considered “hot” examples: William T. Sherman, U.S. Grant, William S. Patton, Curtis LeMay, or the afore-mentioned actors.

    SWPL cannot by definition form much of any real fighting force, the requirement for absolute trust, chain of command, sense of purpose, and brotherhood is alien to them. In shock combat to annihilation, Western forces fighting the way the Greeks at Salamis, almost always emerge victorious because those fights require beta male cooperation.

    There’s a long, long tradition of “warriors” getting their asses kicked by beta, boring Western men, who are not very dominating but are deadly. The most dangerous men in Africa during the Zulu wars were not the native Impis, but the sunburned, malaria ridden, Redcoats who despite being 10,000 miles from home had better food, water, medical care, and certainly weapons than the native Zulus of King Csetawelo. They were better led, too, for the most part.

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  545. on July 15, 2009 at 12:29 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    I think there is some truth in the belief that African men, Latino men, Carribbean men, Middle-eastern and Mediterrenean men like women with more “meat on their bones” than Northern and Western European men and Far East Asian men.

    South Asian men are kind of in between.

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  546. on July 15, 2009 at 12:30 am GNPs are for Apes

    “I agree but you should know that cosmetic surgery is very popular in Latin America and that includes BUTT implants. It’s done here in America as well. Some people don’t know about that.”

    That is actually what should have happened first, as a bad butt is more of a turnoff than smallish tits are. Hence the utility gain of a butt implant/resculpting is actually higher.

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  547. And what’s the deal with Latin American TV and the juxtaposition of tall hot chicks and weirdo dorky little chubby guys?

    beats me. the guy negs Monica at 4:25.

    More latin luv: Ingrid Coronado

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  548. on July 15, 2009 at 12:34 am Gunslingergregi

    ””’on July 15, 2009 at 12:24 am A.J. Travis
    But let’s face it. The military doesn’t pay shit. He doesn’t have a college degree, so SWPL jobs are out, for him. And he is one of the nicest, most hard working, humble guys I’ve ever met. ””””””””’

    Special forces can make quite some money on tdy when they are deployed.

    But lets face it if you make 4 k a month you can be rich. It is not what you make it is what you do with it. Unless you don’t make more than bare minimum expenses.

    Well in world war ii they didn’t have current divorce laws and it was looked down apon to divorce. Guys who get married the first time think it won’t happen to them. Did she stay by his side during the deployments she probably earned it.

    Sf should basically have a degree after the traning.
    He also has money coming in right now if he wants to go to college.

    Plus since he is sf he can go and make 250k a year. So yea it has its benefits.

    I think college people are the most pissed like what I talked about yesterday. When they get divorced and owe cs ali they also owe college loans.

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  549. Lance- Did you serve? Because you don’t seem to know anything about the military.

    If not, then maybe you shouldn’t speculate.

    The military does not include the dregs of society. You have to apply to get in, and they screen out the dregs.

    In the average military member is more educated than the average US citizen, in better physical condition, with a much lower incidence crime, drug use, depression and suicide.

    Google some statistics and see for yourself.

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  550. AJ Travis: Some rule of nature is being violated here. That shouldn’t be happening. He should be getting himself some young, innocent home-making sweetheart whom he should be exerting old-school type mild dominance over.

    Whiskey: I can accept that and will need to look some of those up. You can’t be saying that teamplaying is beta, though, because of e.g. wingmen and mentoring in PUA culture.

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  551. on July 15, 2009 at 12:40 am Gunslingergregi

    Pretty cool that the guy went through 4 year deployment and they through the big bash though and celebrated. Of course people don’t think that you know for 50k he could have bought almost 2 houses in fort hood and made an extra 1200 a month in rent money. Course even I totally don’t think like that yet. Lot of programming to get rid of.

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  552. AJ Travis: Do recognise that is what is actually happening instead of the happier scenario. And it’s an injustice.

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  553. @ aoefe: Confidence would certainly be a plus, especially if it means no silly inhibitions. More of a plus would be skill and willingness.

    As for the chick in the picture (if it really is a chick and not a tranny surprise): She’s fat. And ugly too. It’d take copious amounts of alcohol for me to fuck that.
    When it comes to what I find attractive it sure as hell isn’t cultural. I have my favourite type (freckly petite blonds), but I also find a lot of other women attractive. Australia is a predominantly white nation yet I have found women of Asian, Italian, Aboriginal, French etc attractive. They have things in common, such as 0.7 or low Hip to Waist Ratio, firm breasts, feminine facial features. On a less than physical level I prefer graceful, feminine women.
    I don’t know of any African women I find attractive, but I haven’t met many and Hollywood is no help. Halle Berry is over-rated. Hot, sure, but not smoking hot. In fact, modern actresses are no where near as hot as women from the 40s through to the 60s stage in Hollywood. They have something more than just physical looks. They have grace and charm. They are women you date not pump and dumps, like modern actresses.

    Anyway, that chick in the picture has a man’s arse. If anyone finds that attractive I can’t help wondering if they have latent homosexuality issues to sort out.

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  554. Betti — a follow up: life on an Aircraft carrier is about as non-SWPL, non-feminized as you can get. One wrong move on the flight deck and you die, and maybe lots of your shipmates. Discipline must be 100%. There is no room for screw-ups. There is no room for posturing, peacocking, being a douche bag, and other things that women love in men, but are disasters in a floating nuclear reactor and arsenal/airport. Which is what a carrier is. It’s about as beta as you can get, and miles away from the sort of asshole peacocking one-upsmanships that women love.

    But there it is.

    Threatening to Nuke Mecca (and many other places) is simply the principle of deterrence. Of course it must be believed, and believed by not just President X, who may not have power, but tribal leaders down to the most low level. But it’s a proven way to purchase security, though it has to be believed and credible (i.e. the US can and will do it).

    Obsidian — The Wire is one show. Compare to: Law and Order Original Recipe, Law and Order SVU, Law and Order CI, the Mentalist, CSI Original Recipe, CSI: Shades of Justice, CSI NY, Life, Eleventh Hour, Criminal Minds, NUMB3Rs, Monk, and so on the depressing reality of crime: nearly all Black and Latino, is never shown. Only Cops, the various “real detectives” on tru/Court TV, and AE cover that, and they get fractions of say the 22 million who watched CSI Original Recipe a few years ago.

    Look at the Mentalist. A fine show by TV standards. Yet it has ridiculous things, like a small town Northern California setting, with a Black Doctor. Black Doctors make up according to the AMA, about 4% of all Doctors. Probability of finding one in a depressed Northern California lumber town? Zilch. But SWPL idealization of Blacks demands it. As does the cliche of the Black computer nerd (instead of the reality of the hip hop low level gangsta, like say Damien “Football” Williams), or “wise Black woman” schtick of say, “My Own Worst Enemy” or “Guinan” on Star Trek Next Generation (Whoopi’s whole career was made out of that schtick).

    Advertising is the worst — it shows well, here:

    the disdain most women have for most White guys, and how they view Black guys as more masculine, more testosterone laden, and cooler. See this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ful1YfqUlU8

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  555. on July 15, 2009 at 12:47 am Willard Libby

    collegeboy – More latin luv: Ingrid Coronado

    0:07 and 0:33. Unbelievable.

    I’m totally against all this Latin American/Mexican immigration.

    But I’m willing to make exceptions.

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  556. on July 15, 2009 at 12:47 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea you start out at 625 a month to serve your country. Then after between 17 which I did and 24 months you make your E-4 and make 2k per month if married.

    It is insane that college types look down on military. I mean really I keep hearing about people who can’t live on 84k a year. I save my first k and opened my first trading account in the first two months of ait making 623 a month. If my wife would have been with program and worked I would have been retired by now but I was always taught not to beat woman. I saved 8k cash in my ait for pharmacy tech. If college made you so smart everyone would be retired right now.

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  557. Gunslinger-

    True, if he was single, and willing to postpone marriage and kids for a while, he could make some bank as a merc, and get a degree. But that’s gone now.

    His wife, even though she has a useless college degree, could never support them financially while he went to college, even if she was willing to do, which she isn’t.

    You can practically hear her biological alarm clock ringing. She’ll be pregnant as soon as she can fix it. (How else can she stay the princess.) Which will make their divorce even more painful for him.

    Hey, I hope to hell I am wrong about this. I’d save anyone from having to endure my fate, if I could.

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  558. Let me add (if the youtube links for the Staples Dell Ink Commercial and the Ford Synch “Michael Bolton Ad”) go through, that the reason why Blacks are portrayed as cool and the White guys nerdy losers people laugh at, is that the ads are aimed nearly all of them at women.

    And women just hate the average White guy. They do. If they could turn them all gay they would, or failing that kill them all, they would. By contrast, women, particularly White women, like Black guys because they perceive that Black guys have higher levels of aggressiveness, testosterone, and dominance, and are more likely to be “the sweet spot” for testosterone: average IQ, instead of high IQ.

    Women LOATHE high IQs with the force of a thousand suns. Because it equates with lower testosterone and aggression. [This probably also explains most women’s disdain for the military, which requires absolute group cohesion, identity, and sacrifice, even folks like the Spec Ops guys are low key and low image, despite being trained within an inch of their life and brutal selection process. It’s total cohesion taken even further, and that kills peacocking and attitude, which women crave like guys do T&A.]

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  559. BHETTI-“Some rule of nature is being violated here. That shouldn’t be happening. He should be getting himself some young, innocent home-making sweetheart whom he should be exerting old-school type mild dominance over.”

    Yes, he should, but those women are so rare today, and the subsequent demand for them is so high, that decent blue-collar guys like my friend are effectively priced out of the market, no matter how much money they earn.

    Glad to see you are coming around.

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  560. perfect 10

    “we” of america primarily and the industrialized west–israel is indisputably a part of this.

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  561. on July 15, 2009 at 12:57 am Gunslingergregi

    The problem is the divorce laws more than the woman. They get the power not by being woman to fuck a guy over but because of the laws that make it possible.

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  562. But let’s face it. The military doesn’t pay shit. He doesn’t have a college degree, so SWPL jobs are out, for him. And he is one of the nicest, most hard working, humble guys I’ve ever met.

    In short. He’s a Beta (in the women/pua definition.)

    And she’s the best he could do.

    military pay isn’t great, but it’s not bad for someone with only a high school diploma, especially when you factor in the benefits.

    it’s likely that mundane logistical reasons are more to blame for this pairing than grand-scale societal changes. military men tend to live in military towns. military bases tend to be in the worst, most economically depressed places in the country. the more attractive woman are either snapped up young or move on to greener pastures, so what’s left are average-to-below-average looking women looking for someone to take care of them. young soldiers, who spend most of their time surrounded by other dudes, are easy prey. getting married gets them more pay and their own house.

    the other thing working against service members is that hot chicks tend to want a lot of attention; they’ve been getting it their whole lives. a guy who’s deployed or on six month floats or constantly in the field will often sacrifice looks for what he believes to be dependability.

    as a counter to your argument, aj, europe is much more swpl than america and yet american GIs stationed over there regularly swoop girls way out of their league.

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  563. on July 15, 2009 at 12:59 am Gunslingergregi

    My buddy before paid off 300k of doctors bills for his wife when he went merc while she was in hospital. That seems to be common people will make and pay off huge debt doing whatever it takes but will not do whatever it takes to retire before the age of 40. Interesting psychology in life I think. Same guy wasn’t saving money when he was here and his wife was home and ok. he he he

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  564. I wouldn’t fuck her with David Alexander’s dick.

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  565. on July 15, 2009 at 1:02 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea Lance Germany was definetly one of the best times of my life.

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  566. on July 15, 2009 at 1:04 am Gunslingergregi

    Ok for the guys making decent money that went to college what if I could gaurrantee that you would retire in 10 years.
    What would that be worth.

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  567. …and that kills peacocking and attitude, which women crave like guys do T&A.

    man, whiskey about 2 days ago i found an almost exact replica of this shirt tyler durden is wearing. peacocking ensued.

    I’m totally against all this Latin American/Mexican immigration.

    But I’m willing to make exception.

    estas demasiado tarde. ya estamos robando a tus mujeres.

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  568. on July 15, 2009 at 1:07 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh wait nevermind noone wants to do that lol

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  569. on July 15, 2009 at 1:07 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “we” of america primarily and the industrialized west–israel is indisputably a part of this.
    …….

    Please.

    Isreal is a tiny little place in the middle of a desert – in West Asia (the middle east).

    It is NOT part of the “west”.

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  570. Gunslingergregi – I am all ears.

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  571. @ Obsidian:
    Why must we go to the ghetto barbershops (or “chicken-n’-waffle joints”or wherever the current location to find today’s “authentic” Negroes). Why not look at successful Black men and check the women on their arms? If Kobe, Tiger, Jay Z, O.J.,Will Smith, Chris Brown, and the rest secretly would rather have an obese badonkadonk, then why the heck wouldn’t they?

    Steadman and that guy who married Star Jones don’t count. Gay beards both, and their woman made the cash.

    Thanks.

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  572. on July 15, 2009 at 1:12 am GNPs are for Apes

    whiskey wrote :

    Women LOATHE high IQs with the force of a thousand suns.

    Whiskey refuses to consider the difference between corelation and causation, and clings to this myth despite overwhelming disagreement from everyone else.

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  573. AJ,

    point to one piece of false information i’ve given about the military. and while you’re at it, have a look at this:

    http://militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/ngic_gangs.pdf

    i didn’t say that soldiers are the dregs of society. i said that the dregs manage to find their way in along with everyone else.

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  574. on July 15, 2009 at 1:12 am Gunslingergregi

    Back read my posts starting with rhoosh he he he

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  575. on July 15, 2009 at 1:13 am Gunslingergregi

    You can see it happen in real time.

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  576. BHETTI-“Do recognise that is what is actually happening instead of the happier scenario. And it’s an injustice.”

    Yeah Bhetti, that’s why I am so pissed off all the time: because I hate injustice, and so many guys aI know – decent, salt of the earth type guys, who are working hard, playing by the rules, not whoring around on their wives/girlfriends are getting royally fucked over by the system, and those who benefit from it (slutty women and the men who enable them.)

    This injustice ultimately flows from the lack of adherence, of our government, to our Constitution.

    That is the source of the corruption that has infected our country and is now rotting it to the core.

    Well, when I enlisted at 18, I swore to support and defend the Constitution, against ALL enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC, with my life if necessary.

    And when I left the military, guess what, nobody released me from that oath.

    Therefore I, and every other veteran, am still sworn to protect the Constitution.

    Not the government. NOT the President. Not the peace. The Constitution.

    And the day is fast approaching when we will have to use force to fulfill that oath.

    And when we do, this country will be re-booted. Because the domestic enemies of liberty (slutty women who cheated on us then took all our money, pua’s who spent all their time fucking our wives and girlfriends and the politicians who enabled all of it) are not nearly as tough as all the other enemies we’ve destroyed.

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  577. Women LOATHE high IQs with the force of a thousand suns.

    i don’t think most women give a damn about IQ explicitly. women care about social status and material wealth. these just happen to be things that experience a diminishing marginal return to IQ and actually begin to decline at a certain point.

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  578. on July 15, 2009 at 1:23 am Willard Libby

    GNPs are for Apes – Sorry, wrong link.

    The explanation for the fat/great herbivore fetish is here.

    That’s funny but what about all the little herbivores in Africa that survive better than the Elephants/Hippos and Rhinos.

    The gazelles are far more common.

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  579. Lance-“point to one piece of false information i’ve given about the military.”

    OK here goes:

    “military bases tend to be in the worst, most economically depressed places in the country. ”

    Stop reading the Daily Kos for your info on the military.

    Bases I spent time at:

    San Diego, Hawaii, Tampa Florida, Denver. San Antonio. None of these areas were economically depressed.

    I also spent time at a base in the middle of nowhere, and guess what, it was like Xanadu compared to the towns nearby. Why?

    Because military towns have a much higher standard of living than the surrounding areas because there are thousands of people with steady government jobs who work there, in addition to the soldiers, sailors, marines who spend most of their pay in the local economy.

    Why do you think states fight so fiercely to keep their military bases, moron? Because they bring blight? They bring prosperity.

    It is the town that have lost their bases that hit the bottom.

    clearly you have never served, and have some biases. You are just wrong on this shit, and I’d wish you’d stop shoveling it.

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  580. on July 15, 2009 at 1:33 am Gunslingergregi

    Bhetti,
    whats up with my other website.
    Ok now I need the life coach website made.

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  581. Dude, there aren’t enough votes to make it statistically significant

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  582. on July 15, 2009 at 1:38 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Instead of looking at who alpha guys fuck to see what’s considered most attractive, why not look at porn

    Somewhat off topic, but are there any “emaciated porn” sites?

    Just wondering

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  583. Lance-“i didn’t say that soldiers are the dregs of society. i said that the dregs manage to find their way in along with everyone else.”

    Bullshit. You said:

    “take a cross section of service members and you’ll find some intelligent, motivated, natural-born leader types along with the dregs of society. ”

    Which implies that there are as many dregs in the military as there are leaders. And you are dead wrong.

    Why do you think they have a report on gang members infiltrating the military?

    So they can find them, and kick them out.

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  584. AJ,

    hey, bud, it’s obvious from you’re other comments that you’re dealing with a lot of anger over a variety of issues. i’m sorry to hear that, and i don’t mean that in a sarcastic sense. the thing is, if you put some of that anger aside it might help you to see things a bit more clearly.

    for instance, if you really looked at what i was saying, you would see that i do know what i’m talking about. instead you’re focusing on the most trivial parts of what i’ve said: the dregs comment and where bases are located.

    the important part of what i’m saying is the dynamic of why so many soldiers end up with less-than-optimal wives. the reason is not some wholesale denigration of military service in the eyes of the public. it’s more that young soldiers are away from home for the first time, they’re lonely, and they live in barracks. often they end up marrying their high school sweetheart, because they’re afraid of losing her and getting married gets him more pay and his own house. or some meet some barracks rat who can read his LES better than he can, she shows him a little attention and he thinks he’s in love. most soldiers, when a four day weekend comes, want to get far far away from base, because being military carries much more cache when you’re not in a military town. if you deny that, then i’m going to start thinking that you’re telling tales about your service.

    i’m glad to hear that you were stationed in nice places. luckily, you never got to experience the joys of such places as columbus, georgia, fayeteville, north carolina, watertown, new york, or faribanks, alaska. i guarantee you these places are far from xanadu; unless xanadu is the name of some strip club full of skanks where joe likes to go on friday night and blow a good portion of his pay.

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  585. on July 15, 2009 at 2:01 am Gunslingergregi

    The reason is they don’t understand game as taught here. Should probably do some outreach.

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  586. @S.

    Ewwww. I prefer Scarlett to that girl – she looks like she has been in prison and starved nearly to death. Please tell me no one here thinks that’s sexy.

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  587. on July 15, 2009 at 2:03 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea take out add in stars in stripes maybe. Whatcha think roissy. Put an add out on your site if ya don’t mind.

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  588. @aoefe:

    I know. I couldn’t watch past the first five seconds.

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  589. on July 15, 2009 at 2:13 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ S.

    OK. I’m not going to look; I think I’d be worse for wear if I did. (Ironically, I might … throw up)

    Why are there so many fat chick porn sites, though? My first instinct tells me that the ratio of “fat” sites to “anorexic” sites would be roughly 1:1.

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  590. “take a cross section of service members and you’ll find some intelligent, motivated, natural-born leader types along with the dregs of society. ”

    Which implies that there are as many dregs in the military as there are leaders. And you are dead wrong.

    there’s no implication there at all. you’re just being defensive.

    for the MOSs that require high ASVAB scores, you’re likely to find the intelligent, the motivated, and the natural-born leaders. the cooks and truck drivers, that’s a different story. the combat arms branches are a mixed bag. on the one hand you have to be pretty motivated to actually want to see combat, on the other they don’t require very high test scores.

    my infantry basic training company – yes, i served – was split into platoons based on what kind of contract you had. the guys who had airborne, RIP, and SF contracts were all pretty much squared away. there was, however, one platoon of unassigned straight legs, and walking into their bay was like walking into a prison yard.

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  591. on July 15, 2009 at 2:18 am Tupac Chopra

    cptnapalm:

    With regards to fighting an insurgency, I’ve read that the government needs a 10 to 1 advantage. There are 70 million gun owners in the US, the bulk of them on the right. If 1% of the total would actually fight, then the government would need an army of seven million which would bankrupt it pretty damn quickly, so the government would need to crush it immediately.

    Sometimes I worry that the notion of a noble and determined populace valiantly throwing off the yoke of government control is more dream than reality.

    Especially when you consider things like this:

    Things like this really really concern me, even as the lover of personal firepower I am.

    I’m not sure a bunch of farmers with bolt-action rifles would stand a chance against a puppeteered army in the possession of AA-12’s. SRSLY

    Collegeboy:

    You have good taste.

    Just remember those thick and curvy Cubans turn into Jabba the Hut’s as soon as you slip a ring on their finger.

    Bhetti:

    er, speaking of jew loving. I didn’t hear such anti-semitic virulence as I’ve seen on here, especially one historical thread. Clearly haven’t been hanging around my kind enough.

    The jew bashing here is directed, NOT to the pure Israeli types, but the thoroughly SWPL-ized, self-hating, liberal, decadent, homosexual contingent which predominates Hollywood and Wall Street.

    A.J.

    In contrast, my Grandfather, at the end of WW2 married my Grandmother (who was the hottest woman in her town.) He worked for the rail road for 30 years. She stayed married to him, till the day he died.

    Sounds EXACTLY like my own grandparents. Bless their souls.

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  592. on July 15, 2009 at 2:20 am Tupac Chopra

    *ahem*

    Clio:

    http://theracerx.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/servicing-miss-clio/

    Do you dare?

    You needn’t say anything, luv.

    Just enjoy at your private leisure.

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  593. Lance,

    My anger has passed. So I’ll keep this brief.

    What you are saying does not agree with what I have experienced, or what I observe from the people I know currently serving. Period. Your mileage may vary.

    And stop trying to back out of the stupid statements that you made.

    You were wrong. I showed you where. Deal.

    And you throwing that crap out here, unchallenged, does denigrate the military in the eyes of the public.

    For Christ’s sake, between Obama and fucking code-pink the military is under siege from within this country.

    It was “General Betray-Us” remember?

    If you are a vet, or still in, you need to close ranks for now.

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  594. on July 15, 2009 at 2:32 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “The jew bashing here is directed, NOT to the pure Israeli types”…………………………………….

    What the heck is a “pure Isreali type”???????

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  595. AJ,

    i stand behind my statements. there are plenty of shitbags in uniform, just like there are plenty of shitbags in civilian life. i said nothing about percentages. i simply acknowledged their existence.

    i’ll close ranks when i go downrange, but every american has the right to dissent; even if they don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. and since i do know what i’m talking about, we should be able to respectfully disagree. although i’m not sure what it is exactly that you disagree with.

    as for all this talk of revolution, tupac your instincts are correct

    Sometimes I worry that the notion of a noble and determined populace valiantly throwing off the yoke of government control is more dream than reality.

    this isn’t the 18th century where soldiers marched into fields and respectfully fired at each other. contemporary warfare is the last thing that any sane person wants to invite onto their home soil. show me a country that is in economic and political shambles, and i’ll show you a country that is in the midst of, or has just come out of, some form of armed conflict.

    modern warfare is probably the most disruptive force on earth. put your romantic delusions away and think clearly about this.

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  596. to put it another way:

    i’d rather commit myself to a year straight of DP’ing that fat, man-faced, skank with the aid of the same unwashed buttplug than invite an armed revolution onto american soil. and i don’t dig on fat, man-faced skanks.

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  597. on July 15, 2009 at 2:44 am Gunslingergregi

    The difference is that pretty much everyone has a job so when you are downtown in fort hood no one is in the mood to kill you for a couple dollars while if you are downtown in a lot of other places they will. Kind of theory I had on black folks if you gave them all jobs would crime go down.

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  598. Lance,

    I have no romantic notions about warfare. I have only history as my guide, and history tells me that Americans will shed blood for liberty. End of story.

    “there are plenty of shitbags in uniform, just like there are plenty of shitbags in civilian life”

    Congratulations, you just handed another bullet to the anti-military fucks that snipe at us every day. When they quote you on HuffPo tomorrow, they’ll conveniently omit the “just like there are plenty of shitbags in civilian life” and you’ll be just another vet who’s words got turned against his comrades.

    I hope your desire to be right is a comfort to those military recruiters who have to dodge pipe bombs and bullets tomorrow, because liberal fuck-ups read shit like that and decide to ‘fight the power.’

    Wake up Lance. You are down range.

    And since you can’t figure it out, THAT’S what we disagree on.

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  599. on July 15, 2009 at 3:19 am Gunslingergregi

    Dam and there has got to be millions of aj’s out there. Probably don’t need prior military experience to be him. Just be a guy who has a masters degree got divorced and lost his house (200k) his earning child support makes 33k now used to make 100k) and owes the lawyer fees (100k) plus alimony, plus the former wife who took all that also got half of any retirement he was due, plus tuition still owed (116000). Man there are a lot of negative millionaires in the states.

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  601. on July 15, 2009 at 3:29 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ roissy

    [nice try, but you’ll have to do better than this if you want to tangle with me. since we’re trading roid anecdotes, here’s what i’ve noticed: men on roids who are also alpha enough to bag a rotation of genuinely hot chicks while off the roids generally do fuck around more, but they do it with primarily 8s and above. men on roids with bad game or otherwise low social value outside the gym will bang anything that moves. lower value men have to be more opportunistic. add incessant horniness to low value and you get dumpster diving.]

    We don’t disagree on any of this. I wasn’t talking about who you will actually fuck on roids, just what you might suddenly find decent in spite of yourself.

    Even if they’re only dropping trou for 8+ chicks, though, their eyes and left anterior cingulate cortex are still doing things of which they’ll be ashamed the next morning. That’s all.

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  602. on July 15, 2009 at 3:30 am Gunslingergregi

    ””DT
    Gunslingergregi – I am all ears.”””””””””

    I guess just become a woman. Then get married have a kid.
    Rinse repeat. Then good to go.

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  603. on July 15, 2009 at 3:32 am Gunslingergregi

    I wonder if it is dereliction of duty for accountants and financial advisors not to tell woman to do that. What if we could get a woman to sue a financial advisor because he didn’t look out for her best investment interests lol

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  604. Women indeed hate High IQ guys because they know damn well it came with a lower amount of aggression and testosterone.

    Women will consume aggression and testosterone over Power and Status, witness Arnold in the early 1990’s and Bill Gates. The latter had far more power and status, and the former was a jumped up steroidal muscle-head, with admittedly great drive, but nowhere near the acumen and smarts AND money/social power of Gates. Guess which one women swooned over?

    This isn’t a Roissy Axiom, but should be: Women with their own earnings will consume raw aggression and testosterone over power/status. Every time.
    ——————————-
    Whenever I’ve been successful with women, outside the arty-girl range, I have done the following: hidden high IQ interests, emphasized downhill skiing, martial arts, and anything else that was risky that I could think of. Risky behavior equates to higher levels of testosterone. I also acted as much like a jerk as I could get away with. It works, because women are junkies for testosterone. They are in fact, pathetic.
    ——————————–
    AJ — You’ll have to forgive Lance. He’s obvious Army. He just doesn’t know any better. [I’ve had a bunch of military men on both sides of the family, but the most recent was a Gunnery Sgt in the Marines. For a lot of people, particularly in hard times like the Depression, the Military was a better deal. You got plenty to eat, clothes to wear, did something approaching usefulness, and the work was less risky than say, Alaska crab fishing or oil-field work.]

    If you are in the Marines, you’re first expected to be a rifleman, and that means combat proficiency with your rifle, and keeping fitness requirements. For older Marines, that’s a constant struggle. Marines mostly take in (a few bad ones sneak in, but not many) only the best, even during today’s combat they have far more applicants than they take. Even a guy like Ed McMahon had to train with rifles though his job was combat pilot, either air superiority or ground support/attack.

    Air Force, yeah you can be fat, but you have to know your stuff. That’s for everyone, ground crew to KC tanker pilots. Navy? I’ve known more than a few. Yeah young crewmen on extended cruises can get into trouble, but non-coms and Officers have to really know their stuff. One slip and everyone’s dead. The sky and sea are unforgiving places, the Air Force and Navy weed out those grossly incompetent.

    By contrast, the Army has ALWAYS had lots of incompetents, losers, and straight up idiots, from privates to generals. Ike had to fire about half his commanders after Kasserine Pass. MacArthur was a disaster at Korea, and arguably at Corregidor. The real life Ed Winters (Band of Brothers) took one look at the sad sacks at the recruiting station and volunteered for Airborne, wanting to be with at least the best.

    The Army is so big, and so focused on MOS, that basic soldiering outside combat units goes awry, that’s why that supply unit got lost, ambushed, and mostly killed (including Lorie Piestawa) in Iraq during the invasion. Supply units like hers are nearly totally clueless at fighting, historically, and that’s probably still the case. Only in Special Forces does the Army have a clue, no coincidence that Petraeus came out of the 101st Airborne, same unit as Winters, or that the Rangers, Green Berets, and Delta represent good, better, and best of the Army.

    I’ve been through Fort Stockton. It’s a pit. Not hell but you can see it from there. That makes it indistinguishable from the rest of West Texas though.

    You’ll have to forgive Lance. He’s Army. He can’t help it. And he’s right — no one has ever been able to figure out how to keep the Army big, and not having lots of deadwood at all levels (privates to command). Not a single commander, from Washington, to Grant, to Patton, ever got that right.

    Read E.B. Sledge’s “With the Old Breed,” about the First Marine Division in the Pacific. Bottom line, Marine pre-war Training kept many of the Old Breed alive, Marines were the only ones who had clue #1 about fighting in the US military prior to hostilities.

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  605. on July 15, 2009 at 3:57 am GNPs are for Apes

    Willard Libby,

    That’s funny but what about all the little herbivores in Africa that survive better than the Elephants/Hippos and Rhinos.

    These large herbivores have no natural predators, and this contributes to a higher life expectancy. An elephant usually lives 60 years, while a gazelle is lucky to go 10. Black men admire the creatures that are most immune to predation and that accrue the most resources in their body. Hence, the fetish for black women to be obese.

    I would add the Cape Buffalo to the list, as it has a color, texture, and disposition that black women seek to mimic.

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  606. on July 15, 2009 at 4:01 am GNPs are for Apes

    whiskey,

    Women indeed hate High IQ guys because they know damn well it came with a lower amount of aggression and testosterone.

    It just is not true, and no one else agrees with you. Corelation is not causation. A High IQ man who works on improving the traits that make him look boring to women will no longer suffer any penalty.

    Women from High Society, who may be both attractive and well-connected, never marry anything but High IQ guys. Except that these are High IQ guys who are not nerds.

    The only reason you obsessively cling to this point is :

    1) You might be High IQ (or at least assume you are)
    2) You can’t master Game, and are rationalizing the cause to some ‘handicap’ beyond your control, so as to avoid personal responsibility.

    That is all there is to it.

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  607. on July 15, 2009 at 4:06 am GNPs are for Apes

    This isn’t a Roissy Axiom, but should be: Women with their own earnings will consume raw aggression and testosterone over power/status. Every time.

    Virtually every woman I know who is a Doctor, MBA, or other highly paid/high IQ woman is married to a man of equal or greater educational or career status, who had no known athletic ability.

    NOT ONE has gone for a testosterone-laden man of low-IQ. So your ‘every time’ is precisely 100% wrong.

    It is remarkable what garbage you write. I don’t know what planet you are from, but it definitely is not Earth.

    If it makes you feel any better, I don’t find you to be very high IQ. Thus, your attractiveness to women is actually much higher than you think (as per your assumptions)!! This is wonderful news !! All men want to be told this !!

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  608. on July 15, 2009 at 4:22 am Gunslingergregi

    What the fuck I am watching eastbound and down and they fucking stole my persona. Fuck Kenny Powers.

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  609. “Whenever I’ve been successful with women, outside the arty-girl range, I have done the following: hidden high IQ interests”

    you use your high IQ in all the wrong ways then…i’ll admit that your ditzy blonde type won’t be impressed by your intelligence, but there are plenty of hot chicks who dig smart guys….if you talk about motherboards, WoW, chess, biology or nerdy things like that, then yeah, she won’t dig you. if you talk about softer things like politics, humanity, philosophy, etc they often eat it up…

    in a word, they like men who are verbal. if you can speak intelligently yet not in an erudite manner, they’ll like you. if you can speak intelligently and make them laugh even though they don’t know exactly what you’re talking about at all times, they’ll love you.

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  610. on July 15, 2009 at 4:35 am Gunslingergregi

    Whiskey for the love of kenny powers go to columbia man.

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  611. on July 15, 2009 at 4:36 am Gunslingergregi

    Seriously though this shit is funny as fuck plus they swear every other word.

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  612. on July 15, 2009 at 4:45 am Gunslingergregi

    Your looking for a woman best friend. That shit only happens to me. But only after I fuck the shit out of them daily 3 times a day at least for at least 6 months. You can’t get that shit at the beginning all you get is a buddy never a fuck buddy. You got to instill the lust then break through to the other side of that shit to the woman within or whatever lol.

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  613. @ Chuck

    if you talk about motherboards, WoW, chess, biology or nerdy things like that, then yeah, she won’t dig you

    Haha, I wish my boyfriend could talk about these things…how hot would that be?!

    Me: So, I think my daughterboard is broken.
    Boyfriend: What.
    Me: Broken daughterboard.
    Boyfriend: What is that?
    Me: It’s an extension of the motherboard…um…my battery doesn’t work.
    Boyfriend: Daughterboard? Motherboard? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Is there a familyboard?! HAHAHAHA…wait…are you trying to tell me these things actually exist? You’re not kidding? What?

    Just kidding. Well, not really — I do find that stuff hot, but I’m sure I’m the only girl out there who does…

    in a word, they like men who are verbal. if you can speak intelligently yet not in an erudite manner, they’ll like you. if you can speak intelligently and make them laugh even though they don’t know exactly what you’re talking about at all times, they’ll love you.

    True story.

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  614. on July 15, 2009 at 4:56 am Cliff Arroyo

    Women have never undergone selection pressure for being able to gain access to penises. (Except in such a broad way as to be meaningless).

    Similarly, women have also never undergone selection pressure for changeling suspicion (this is why by and large women truly don’t understand male rage at changeling babies because for almost all of human existence they’ve cared for children they know are theirs biologically or are the biological children of close relatives). So once a woman bonds with an infant the realization that it’s not biologically hers is usually not so traumatic. They don’t have millenia of being selected for worrying about a child’s genetic link to them.

    Finally, women have never undergone selection pressure for discriminating two personality poles that might be called ‘social dominance’ which is primarily linked to the ability to procure resources (since pregnancy and infantcare will severely limit her ability to provide for herself) and aggressive willingness to defend the group (since women and children don’t fight as physically well as men) and ‘sociopathic thuggishness’ since for most of human existence men with the latter traits were trained to exhibit those of the former (or they were disposed of).

    In modern technologically advanced and anonymous society these two poles are very divergent. It takes training and socialization to recognize the more subtle signs of a truly socially dominant male (which elites make sure their daughters get) and the previous markers are now mostly given off by charming sociopaths or brutal thugs with a more primal appeal to what women have evolved to find naturally attractive. Given that most women of non-elite parents receive no training in distinguishing real quality in males (vs superficial attraction) they’re more or less at the mercy of their pussy vibes which will lead them horribly astray.

    In the current US cultural climate women are, in fact, become awful judges of male potential (there’s probably not a female commenter on this blog who could be trusted to make good decisions on her own about who to mate with).

    For men, the equivalent is porn actresses that through surgery and other manipulation simultaneously embody all kinds of sexual markers that men respond to individually but which almost never co-occur in nature (low body fat and ginormous breasts, sexual maturity and lack of pubic hair). The funny thing is that Roissy and other PUA’s are helplessly attracted to signs of female fertility when the last thing they want to do is reproduce which also pretty dysfunctional when you get down to it.

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  615. on July 15, 2009 at 4:56 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Chuck

    if you can speak intelligently yet not in an erudite manner, they’ll like you.

    I think you blew it with “in an erudite manner”. Sorry buddy. Too erudite, that.

    @ Whiskey
    I mean… huh? What’s a erudite?

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  616. @ Epoxytocin No. 87: The reason there are more fat girl porn sites than anorexic porn girl websites is pretty simple. Fat girls are a dime a dozen. I could probably start my own fat girl website simply by walking down the street and asking everyone. By comparison I’d be hard pressed to find a handful of thin bitches.

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  617. on July 15, 2009 at 4:59 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Cliff

    The funny thing is that Roissy and other PUA’s are helplessly attracted to signs of female fertility when the last thing they want to do is reproduce which also pretty dysfunctional when you get down to it.

    Is-ought fallacy.

    Is it “dysfunctional” that we like high-calorie foods, even though the last thing we moderns want to do is get fat?

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  618. on July 15, 2009 at 5:02 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ cliff

    The funny thing is that Roissy and other PUA’s are helplessly attracted to signs of female fertility when the last thing they want to do is reproduce which also pretty dysfunctional when you get down to it.

    Is-ought fallacy.

    Is it “dysfunctional” that we like high-calorie foods, even though the last thing we moderns want to do is get fat?

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  619. on July 15, 2009 at 5:09 am Cliff Arroyo

    Yeah. It’s dysfunctional. Human but dysfunctional.

    But I’m not judging – one of the nice things about being human in a technologically advanced society is the ability to cater to one’s minor dysfunctions. Nothing wrong with that.

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  620. @heloise- POST-BREAK-UP ?? ?? oh no – say it ain’t so.

    lindsay is the perfect pump-n-dump for a man. sexy, crazy, slutty. that’s probably the source of her tabloid appeal. salma exposed her child from the french billionaire to potential disease from an african refugee infant. compassioNate, but not particularly bright.

    @gig/obs re brazilian women- not sure i agree that “the blacks ruin it”, but the compination of races does make for som unusually striking people, as well as some really ugly ones. gig right that the indians are usually ugliest.

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  621. on July 15, 2009 at 5:25 am Gunslingergregi

    Nice of you not to judge cliff. Good job buddy.
    There wouldn’t be so much pain in the world if people wouldn’t judge and be jealous. Then again people might think happiness was pain.

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  622. on July 15, 2009 at 5:32 am Gunslingergregi

    I think the sooner you can get rich through your own work is the sooner you can live like a poor man while rich and be happy. Wild Shit.

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  623. Women from High Society, who may be both attractive and well-connected, never marry anything but High IQ guys. Except that these are High IQ guys who are not nerds.

    Women only like high IQ if it comes with status or works as an indicator of status to come in one’s near future. I think high IQ also works as a tiebreaker, as in if two guys are similar status, and all other things are equal, the smarter guy will edge out the dumber guy. But high IQ for its own sake doesn’t seem to attract women much from what I see.

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  624. Here’s some Baltimore crime blogs. They will mention the race of the perps and victims involved. You can search the archives to see that “African American” seems to show up 90% of the time.

    And on The Wire, almost all the criminals are black, just like in the Baltimore crime stats! That’s the point of what oBsidian’s arguing about! You’re so desperate to disagree you’re not even taking the time to educate yourself on the debate.

    I’ve lived in Baltimore city, but I’ve never seen The Wire other than YouTube clips.

    If you admit you’ve never even seen the damn show, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU JOINING IN THE ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT ACCURATELY PORTRAYS BLACK CRIME?!

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  625. on July 15, 2009 at 7:01 am Gunslingergregi

    Joe who are you qouting on this thread?

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  626. on July 15, 2009 at 7:59 am Willard Libby

    Joe – And on The Wire, almost all the criminals are black, just like in the Baltimore crime stats!

    I never said it didn’t, you mindless dumbfuck. That’s not why I posted the link. I’m not arguing the The Wire doesn’t relect the black shitholes in Baltimore.

    That’s the point of what oBsidian’s arguing about! You’re so desperate to disagree you’re not even taking the time to educate yourself on the debate.

    Why don’t you educate yourself in reading comprehension, you racially paranoid freak.

    If you admit you’ve never even seen the damn show, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU JOINING IN THE ARGUMENT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT ACCURATELY PORTRAYS BLACK CRIME?!

    I didn’t you semi literate fucktard. My point was that The Wire cannot be used to disprove whiskey’s claims because it is a rarely watch HBO cult series. whiskey’s point was about the media overall. Not one critically acclaimed but relatively obscure show.

    Go reread my posts you bewildered simpleton.

    I’m the first to recognize that whiskey is obsessively categorical in the claims her makes about everything. He’s a goofball, but he makes some good points now and then.

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  627. PA pointed out, they [the SWPL leftist elite] are largely non-ideological.

    To clarify, yes, the real elite are beyond ideology. They like power. But nevertheless — they do favor a leftist, feminist, multiculturalist ideology today because they perceive it as serving their ends. The radical sociology professors are their tools, their priests, spreading the gospel that is useful in serving the elite’s needs.

    So today, the elite is left wing. But tomorrow, they can re-orient themselves; that was my point.

    It’s possible that the next generation of SWPL elite might change on a dime and decide that happy and humble white nuclear families, from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego, are more useful. Maybe they’ll be tired of living in gated communities, I dunno.

    What made Kerouac’s roadtrip thru 1950s America so fun was all those “authentic” but safe white farmers and small towners, with their pretty daughters. Maybe SWPLers will want that landscape back.

    So they’ll shelve the sociology professors, and dust off fire & brimstone preachers and eugenicists.

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  628. Willie,
    There a number of White Male characters in The Wire that I wouldn’t describe as milquetoast at all-Baltimore Mayor Tommy Carcetti, the drugs and sex trader known simply as The Greek, and his henchman Vondas; then there’s McNulty, a homicide cop who’s balls deep in random pussy. Like I said they got their share of problems but none of whom would in my view fit Whiskey’s lament of pissed on White male portrayal in primetime tv.

    As for The Wire’s popularity, David Simon addresses this point himself in numerous interviews. He feels the reasons why The Wire was never as popular as say, Law & Order, was because of:

    1. Complex stories that don’t often end on a happy note (and Americans in particular do NOT like tragedies) and that also require the viewer to pay close attention to all the details of each episode and how they interlock into the next episode (American viewers tend to want errthing laidout for them)

    2. No “big, pretty name” actors/actresses; The Wire is unique in that it uses a large ensemble cast of character actors who look like people in the real world, not like Hollywood (yet another dagger in the Whiskey’s theories); and

    3. That the show was essentially about African Americans, in that its set in a largely Black city, Baltimore. Simon felt that most White viewers don’t really like to watch shows that focus that heavily on Black folks’ lives. Only the series Soul Food had more Black folk in a series.

    But, despite this and the fact that it never won many awards, The Wire has a fierce following, and is heavily critically acclaimed. One tv & film critic for The Guardian called The Wire the best tv drama, *ever*.

    So again, Whiskey, or anyone who thinks like him, really has no excuse.

    O

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  629. About the military being Beta: yes and no, mostly no. The point about enlisted guys being beta because they have to be obedient is only half the picture.

    The other half of the story is that they are in turn expected to be authoritative, or “alpha” toward their own subordinates.

    And everyone in uniform has a subordinate. Even the lowest ranking pukes, the o m e g a s of the military totem pole — Basic Training recruits — take turns being squad leaders. If they are ineffective in this role, for example, by failing to ensure their squad members lockers are squared away, they are given hell by the drill instructors.

    While guys with a whole gamut of personality traits join the military, including herbs, the rank structure and discipline, and the physical training regimen (everyone does pushups, situps, and running 5 times a week) has a way of beating the slacker and the wimp out of an average guy and concentrating his alphatude.

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  630. Libby, you’re arguing on and on at length about a show you’ve never even seen and I’m the fucktard? And you guys need to stop moving the goalposts and settle on an argument. First the refrain around here was that white men are always without exception portrayed as beta in comparison to black men. Then when you get a lot of examples showing it’s not true, the examples are outliers, etc. Now the latest complaint is that the Wire was too small a show in viewership. If that’s the case, it’s not the media’s fault, it’s the viewership. That in no way changes the fact that it was a major show from a major media outlet that didn’t center around beta white guys and pc black depictions. You just refuse to accept anything that doesn’t fit into your “victimized white” mindset, just like a lot of whiny blacks can’t get over their “victimized black” mindset. You live to nurse your racial wounds.

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  631. John S.,
    I never said anything about “ghetto barbershops”; what I said was that Roissy should be keen to avoid “honorary White” Black guys. Two completely different things. My point was to poll Black Men where Black Men are easiest to find-in Black areas, one such place are the barbershops, not all of whom are “ghetto”. In fact, now that you bring that point up, Roissy should go to both the more grimier headshops and the more upscale ones just to cover the bases, but again avoid the honorary White-Black guy haunts, which will usually be in White zones anyway. This way we’ll get a much more representative poll result, up or down.

    And I’m pretty sure that the guys you named would most definitely tap Lady Scarlett if they could. Don’t fool yourself.

    Lastly: people, please learn the very important distinction between *ghetto* and *urban*. For example, I am undeniably urban, but NOT ghetto. There is nothing about me that would suggest as much, indeed, my very presence and participation in this venue speaks to the latter and not the former.

    O

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  632. on July 15, 2009 at 9:22 am Eat a Peach

    Tap that? I don’t even wanna be in the room smelling that.

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  633. I’ll throw out this hypothesis:

    The reason the SWPL elite has been running an ethnocidal war on their fellow whites is because they don’t like the direction in which a successful white middle class society goes: fat women, fat tourists, fat SUVs, fat McMansions, fat stripmalls, fat 12-lane interstates, fat TVs, and fat clearcutting of virgin land.

    Ever notice how the Left has always, historically, hated the bourgeoisie more than they hated anyone else? Down, peasants!

    What the SWPL elite wants is to rule over a bucolic, “authentic” landscape. And Walmart America is the exact opposite of this. Hence their campaign of thinning the white chaff. With immigration and feminism.

    But as it will turn out, replacing fat & ugly whites with fatter and uglier NAMs is a project that requires a steady hand and careful callibration before the broth is ruined.

    So once non-elite whites are put in their place by having their consumptive middle class destroyed, their Most Favored Peon status over NAMs will be reinstalled, because whites work harder, don’t litter as much, they treat animals better, and are easier on the eyes.

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  634. Our elites simply seek to emulate the transnational royal/intellectual classes of the 17th century. one person who seems to see this clearly is neal stephenson in the baroque cycles. his exploration of the role of women and intellectuals in that class in those times is a very sharp commentary on today.

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  635. 18th, ma faute

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  636. Now, to agree w/Whiskey…

    His points on the military, and the Marines in particular, are 100% on the money. That’s what my daddy and grand daddy taught me: Every Marine, a Rifleman-and what they meant by that was to act w/precision in all you do. Marines are the true trench fighters in any conflict; they shed more blood than any other branch of the military, so they have to know how to fight, how to win. Improvise, adapt, overcome, was a constant mantra in our household.

    As for the IQ piece and Women’s wants & desires, w/all due respect to Apeman, he should go back and review what Whiskey said-he said that a Woman who’s earning her own money will select mates based on other factors other than that, IQ being amon them. Apeman’s reply about the high IQ Women he knows are kind of beside the point because Whiskey wasn’t talking about high IQ Women themselves per se, just independently earning Women period. And by that measure, what Whiskey’s saying is correct, Roissy himself has said as much numerous times over the past year, up to and including one of last week’s posts about the gender gap politically.

    I agree w/others who’ve made the point-IQ helps to the extent that you’re willing and able to apply it to a Woman’s Inner World, like the arts, humanities, to an extent politics (that one’s a bit trickier, but can be done), and so on. String theory, Unified Field Theory, Quantum mechanics, and the like, fuget ’bout it. Only guys, for the most part, care about such things to any meaningful degree. IQ matters to a Woman if the guy who has it can use it in ways that it garners him more social status/dominance or at least has the potential for it.

    O

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  637. on July 15, 2009 at 9:44 am instafaggot

    I’d like to affirm that sexual preferences are innate. Although I’m gay, I can spot a “10”, a “7” (female), etc. even though there are no boners involved. The standards could not be more clear.

    (By the way, that chick is fat and big giant asses are not attractive on anyone. Period.)

    A.J. Travis-Most gay guys DO NOT like big asses (well, gay black guys do, lol).

    Maurice-I hadn’t heard that “gays run things” – they forgot to tell me! LOL. If gays ran things, it would be all men all the time everywhere and they’d all be cute and have their shirts off. Unfortunately, most “stuff” is bought by women, so women have to be fed images of women they can’t be and men they can’t have; the essence of advertising. You don’t have to be gay to understand that.

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  638. PA, I agree with some of your points.

    The left always strives hard against the middle class. Marx/Lenin/Trotsky all railed against.

    This, I believe, stems from the fact that what SWPLers produce is not valued by the middle class. SWPLers, beset by being overly educated, produce novels, music, plays, etc. that are not popular with the commoners. They view their work as too “intellectual” for those “NASCAR/Walmart” people to grasp because they haven’t been educated in the “right way.”

    Think about it: most SWPLers want to be intellectual novelists, screenwriters, public intellectuals or indie band leaders. But these guys don’t get paid, because their stuff is boring; it sucks.

    Of course, other SWPLers and rich sponsors of grants and critics *do* get their crap. So a SWPLer is thus insulated from the market via government/institutional grants and love of critics. So they can continue to spew crap and survive, though not as well as if the “plebians” would just wake up and realize how awesome they are.

    Thus, the SWPLer love of both liberalism and shitting on the middle class. Liberalism provides the largess that protects the SWPLer from real work and “selling out,” and the middle class refuses to see what geniuses they are.

    BURN THEM TO THE GROUND! (of course failing to see that it is the middle class that supports the government that makes their miserable lives grant-worthy).

    Gary Cooper, in testifying before the House Committee on Un-American Activities, talked about how Communist agents infiltrated Hollywood. The agents talked out of both sides of their mouths: on one hand, Communism would eliminate class and race distinctions and end all social problems, yet, on the other, actors, being “special” people, would be “more equal” than the plebians and get larger houses and longer vacation time and more perks. Yes, they really said this; very Animal Farm,a nd very much in keeping with the SWPLer illogic.

    And what did Cooper, a Republican farm boy think of this doubletalk?

    “Sounded like a lot of hooey to me,” said Cooper. Dead right, man.

    P.S. The perfect encapsulation of the SWPL goal currently is the movie “The Royal Tenenbaums.” In that movie, each member of the family (except perhaps Ben Stiller) is a successful SWPLer in a niche field only watched by SWPLers. Heck, Paltrow’s character survives on *grants* for her plays (which aren’t successes).

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  639. instafaggot, must disagree.

    Most people are born with predilictions on a wide scale, but your preferences can be shifted; they aren’t set in stone. Early gay propagandists realized this; setting the sexes up androgynously and messing with gender was entirely an idea to try to get more gay partners.

    The idea of conversion therapy as represented hsitrionically by gay propaganda is pretty awful; I agree that praying the gay away doesn’t work for most people who aren’t religious.

    But the idea that you can’t be conditioned to a sexual preference? Doesn’t fly.

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  640. lurker

    check out:

    http://mises.org/etexts/hayekintellectuals.pdf

    and this treatment of the treason of the intellectuals

    http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TreasonV3.HTM

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  641. P.S. PA: And what about the SWPL love for minorities?

    Well, for one thing, since most minorities SWPLers love are poor, the SWPLer can blame their poverty on the middle class, who hold the SWPL back materially (buy my shit, plebians! Buy their fast food!). The poor aren’t blamed for what they can’t afford.

    Second, because most poor people are undereducated, SWPLers can pretend that if they gave them the “proper” education, they would buy their crap, only they are under the thumb of the middle class.

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  642. a couple of points about elites:

    it’s a mistake to use SWPL as a synonym for elite. SWPL is an unholy union of hippie and yuppie culture. it didn’t exist in the large scale before ten or fifteen years ago.

    as much as i would love to believe otherwise, none of what has happened to this country in the last forty or so years is intentional. it is simply what happens when you rapidly expand individual freedom while simultaneously freeing people from the responsibility of their actions. it’s the by product of ill-thought out do-gooderism, not a secret cabal plotting class warfare.

    and on a lighter note, i was flipping through the channels last night and came across some recent meg ryan movie. she looks like the fucking joker.

    http://www.awfulplasticsurgery.com/2009/05/13/when-you-cross-rachel-ray-with-a-gollum-you-get/

    is this the future? in twenty years or so will every woman of means resort to terrible plastic surgery in a vain attempt to preserve their youth? this world is getting uglier and uglier in small ways every day.

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  643. on July 15, 2009 at 10:11 am Velvetgunther

    I haven’t read the comments but this must have been pointed out before…it’s only her booty that’s grotesquely fat, her upper body looks fine. I think it’s called steatopygia, often found among African women…I voted chunky but I’d tap it once

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  644. @ Obsidian:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/fat-or-not-fat-2/#comment-105634

    Most of your comment is simply an ad hominem regarding the average HBDer motivations. You claim all we do is scapegoat, but it’s not scapegoating when blacks commit such an incredibly large portion of crime, displace qualified whites from college and jobs, and grouse constantly about white racism. They actually do this, we’re not fabricating these noxious elements of black behavior. It’s not scapegoating to predict the falling of American IQ because of dsyngenic fertility and Hispanic immigration:

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2009/07/iq-fertility-and-americas-future.html

    And I don’t think someone like HS is concocting reasons for why he isn’t Master of the Universe by blaming NAMs. I just don’t see it. He blames NAMs for large scale problems, not regarding underachievement in his own life.

    But this was an interesting quote:

    So, the challenge to the Right Enders, is quite clear-are they willing to Man Up and do what is required to make it in a Feminized World? Learn about social dynamics, from a Woman’s POV? Develop social graces? Stretch their intuition for reading subtle body cues?

    Doesn’t Roissy (and most of the commenters) entirely oppose this yielding to the feminist power shift? The PUAs learn about social dynamics, but they assuredly don’t accept the pussified beta man giving into all the woman’s demands. In fact, it’s a consistent aloofness towards these “social graces” that underpins “asshole game”. I imagine the average HBD possesses the strength of character and rigor of argument to adopt some of the PUA behaviors (don’t be afraid to “neg” or say something slightly rude, don’t change one’s opinion just to agree, take risks with social opinions, show you’re not like everyone else).

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  645. “it’s a mistake to use SWPL as a synonym for elite. SWPL is an unholy union of hippie and yuppie culture.”

    I’d say SWPL’s comprise little of the actual elite. But they do share many of the same ideals. SWPLism is all about social capital. The same person engaging in all the SWPL stuff is also bragging about some obscure ska band from Oregon or some trendy coffee bar in New York.

    I’d say much of SWPLism is underpinned by anti-traditionalism. Much like the hippies, it’s a values sytem that rejects the mainstream.

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  646. swpls are not hippies, they come out of the 80s-90s alternative scene

    believe it or not, things have ACTUALLY happened since the 60s

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  647. Lance, yes and no. In successful societies when the finance is flowing, the SWPL/Bobos/rich-intellectual-elite are present. In this century, the upper middle class intellectuals have railed against capitalists in favor of the poor in one form or another.

    Dana, thanks for the links. I have heard of Hayek.

    As to Meg Ryan, she whored herself out on Russell Crowe (cheating on Dennis Quaid). Women always try to claim that Quaid was cheating too, and they are the same. Nope; when a woman cheats, she is just a cheap whore.

    Ryan has nowhere to go: too old and whorish to be a believable rom commer, not sexy enough to keep Crowe (who dumped her skanky ass); and fading away so badly she’s taken to the knife and stealing Chinese babies as a last grasp at her fading fame. Meanwhile, her ex is banging a girl 20 years younger.

    Sometimes, revenge is sweet.

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  648. SWPLers form the intellectual class of the elite; much like a general surrounds himself with his best troops as personal bodyguards, an elite surrounds himself with the most intellectual SWPLer lackeys to defend his every action.

    Witness Nobama.

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  649. And, you know, people could have said the same thing about Bush and his lackeys.

    Honestly, someone at the top is going to surround themselves with other intelligent people who more or less share their same worldview. That’s just how it’s going to be.

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  650. Lance –

    as much as i would love to believe otherwise, none of what has happened to this country in the last forty or so years is intentional. it is simply what happens when you rapidly expand individual freedom while simultaneously freeing people from the responsibility of their actions. it’s the by product of ill-thought out do-gooderism, not a secret cabal plotting class warfare.

    I think this SWPL analysis is right on the money,but because it’s not centered on conspiracy theory, tribalism or self-righteous victimology, it’s likely to get ignored.

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  651. I’d say SWPL’s comprise little of the actual elite. But they do share many of the same ideals. SWPLism is all about social capital. The same person engaging in all the SWPL stuff is also bragging about some obscure ska band from Oregon or some trendy coffee bar in New York.

    I’d say much of SWPLism is underpinned by anti-traditionalism. Much like the hippies, it’s a values sytem that rejects the mainstream.

    Good observation, worth quoting.

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  652. Joe, Lance agreed; I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories, because 1) Occam’s razor; 2) “Don’t subscribe to a conspiracy when a cock-up explains it” and 3) they generally fail falsifiability tests.

    Mandy the cuntrag:

    “And, you know, people could have said the same thing about Bush and his lackeys.”
    —No SPWLers there, dumbass. SWPLers are knee-jerk liberals.

    “Honestly, someone at the top is going to surround themselves with other intelligent people who more or less share their same worldview. That’s just how it’s going to be.”
    —I’m not talking about “surrounding yourself with like-minded peo9ple.” I’m talking about surrounding yourself with lick spittle knee jerk defenders who are deployed to attack anyone criticizing you and fawning in your presence.

    You know, like the Nobama White House and its Press Corps.

    But thanks for trying to defend your hero NotMyPresident. Just proving my points again, moron.

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  653. Joe, Lance agreed; I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories, because 1) Occam’s razor; 2) “Don’t subscribe to a conspiracy when a cock-up explains it” and 3) they generally fail falsifiability tests.

    Damn, great 3-step test to live by. I’m actually going to write that down and store it somewhere to refresh myself occasionally.

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  654. For people still prattling on about The Wire:

    Insofar as I’ve paid attention, one camp holds that mainstream TV has pretty much no black criminals and the whites are douchebags. The other camp disputes this.

    The opposition is The Wire camp. The only counter-example offered is The Wire.

    A lot of examples from one show does not constitute a lot of examples of a lot of shows. If the Wire is it, then it is more a case of the exception proving the rule.

    If it is a small viewership, then it is a cult show not a mainstream show. Being on a major outlet does not make it mainstream; Buffy the Vampire Slayer was on a network, but it was never a mainstream hit.

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  655. Thanks, Joe, I just had to remind myself of it just yesterday. I was looking at Nobama’s latest master works (racist S.C. Nominee lying on the stand, unemployment growing, restrictions on antibiotics for cattle based on nothing but unsubstantiated speculation) and I thought “What is he trying to do?”

    Then I remembered he’s an unqualified, stupid man who only got to this point because of racial quotas, gerrymandering elections, and an economic downturn under the watch of the other party’s unpopular president.

    then I thought of all his other miscues.

    Then I realized that, though he is a Marxist child-murdering dick at heart, this isn’t some master plan. He’s just doing what any unqualified idiot would do in his position:

    failing miserably, and flailing around.

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  656. Tupac Chopra gushed:

    Things like this really really concern me, even as the lover of personal firepower I am.

    Thanks. I have admirers everywhere

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  657. erudite manner

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  658. The opposition is The Wire camp. The only counter-example offered is The Wire.

    That’s not true. In a previous thread I gave at least 40 examples, including major blockbuster movies.

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  659. I just tired of listing them because no matter how big the example or how many of them, the eternal victims always find a way to convince themselves it doesn’t count. So I don’t bother anymore.

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  660. haha – only fucking Americans quote

    HBO

    like ‘t’were
    Shakespeare

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  661. Lurker – I think you’re right about Obama. People think he’s some kind of master planner Machiavellian strategist. But he’s not. He has zero long-range strategy. He’s a short-term tactician. He just goes from the battle right in front of him to the next immediate battle with no long range agenda in sight outside of just “atoning” for America.

    He just treated the election like winning a Prom King popularity contest. Once he actually won, it became obvious he never gave much thought about what he’d actually do once he won. He had no long-term vision outside of just being popular and historically important.

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  662. Insofar as I’ve paid attention, one camp holds that mainstream TV has pretty much no black criminals and the whites are douchebags. The other camp disputes this.

    I’ve also noticed an inordinate amount of interracial dating on TV. Look at the most popular show of the 90’s: Saved by The Bell.

    Screech (white) was in love with Lisa (black). Jessie (white) dated Slater (Latino). Kelly (white) was involved with Slater (Latino). Zack (white) dated Lisa (black) for one episode.

    On Boy Meets world, Sean dated a black girl for 3 seasons and in one episode Cory’s brother dates an Asian.

    I’ll stop there though there’s plenty more, but I imagine the rates for interracial dating on TV far outweigh the rates in real-life. Has anyone done analysis on this?

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  663. as much as i would love to believe otherwise, none of what has happened to this country in the last forty or so years is intentional. it is simply what happens when you rapidly expand individual freedom while simultaneously freeing people from the responsibility of their actions. it’s the by product of ill-thought out do-gooderism, not a secret cabal plotting class warfare.

    I disagree. The Establishment wants you to think it has no program, and that everything that happens is somehow the natural and inevitable outcome of impersonal forces, but that doesn’t mean this is actually true. Michael Lind has a good description of what he calls the “white overclass” and shows how they get what they want via force and fraud.

    As for Occam’s Razor, the simplest explanation for what has happened in this country in past decades is that the elite – call them the white overclass, SWPL, brahmins, or whatever you like – is actively trying to destroy the middle class, using minorities as foils. Mencius Moldbug has a lot of useful perspectives on this (search for “brahmins” and “vaisyas” on his site).

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  664. I’ll stop there though there’s plenty more, but I imagine the rates for interracial dating on TV far outweigh the rates in real-life.

    If you go by their age groups and locales, I’m sure it’s not as out of touch with real life as you say. Gen X in Los Angeles and Gen Y in Philadelphia? When people cite interracial dating statistics, they are citing across all ages and American locales. That means older generations and less cosmopolitan locales are dragging those stats down.

    Among big cities and younger generations, numbers are higher. And when you combine both demographics in one population they will be particularly higher than national averages.

    Also, you are exaggerating to make your point, man. Zach and Lisa had like ONE EPISODE EVER where they dated and it was never mentioned since. How many episodes did Zach hook up with white girls. Also, you are focusing on interracial relationships to make your point, but a vast, vast, VAST majority of TV relationships are intraracial by far. They just don’t jump out at you because they don’t offend you.

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  665. Yes, Joe, his one talent is winning elections. Seriously, arguing with a liberal one day after the election but before inauguration, when I stated that Nobama was unqualified to be President because he had no experience, the counter was that he’d just spent 1.5 years running a campaign that won, so that he “proved” he could run the country well.

    Seriously. That was the circular argument: Nobama was qualified because he won; he won because he was qualified.

    The Prom King meme is particularly adapt, especially in this post PC world. My high school class elected a black senior president simply because we hadn’t elected a black guy president in school history and wanted to show they weren’t racist, and most viewed the position as a sinecure (at least for college aps). (Note: he was qualified and good enough, unlike Nobama).

    SWPLers have the “black friend” to prove they aren’t racist; the chicks date “the black guy” to prove they aren’t horrible racists; they listen to black music for proof of non-racism; they listen to black rally speeches to show “they get it;” they go to black neighborhoods to “oppose gentrification” and to show that “they aren’t any more dangerous than white neighborhoods.”

    For SWPLers, its always about identity politics.

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  666. LILGRL-

    Show a picture or shut up. Your word about your measurements means nothing. We all now how badly you lie.

    And thanks for once again proving that you are just the type of girl that all thinking men should steer clear of:

    Over educated, unwise, ruled by her pussy.

    “Haha, I wish my boyfriend could talk about these things…”

    Then maybe you should stop fucking bi-sexual bartenders, and pick an intelligent man to spend your time with.

    Oh right. That doesn’t get you wet.

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  667. on July 15, 2009 at 11:39 am Serpent's Egg

    GENDER AND CHESS

    There’s a lot of data showing that if you activate a stereotype about a particular group doing badly on a task, members of that group will do badly on the task (but not if you don’t).

    http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2009/07/15/gender-and-chess/

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  668. lurker:
    “they go to black neighborhoods to “oppose gentrification” and to show that “they aren’t any more dangerous than white neighborhoods.””

    A funny example: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/03/BA1413AB64.DTL

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  669. How does one “activate a stereotype”?

    Let us give this a shot: Feminists love to suck cock and get fucked in the ass! Everyone knows this!

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  670. Chuck dreamt:

    ...there are plenty of hot chicks who dig smart guys… if you talk about softer things like politics, humanity, philosophy, etc they often eat it up…

    in a word, they like men who are verbal. if you can speak intelligently yet not in an erudite manner, they’ll like you. if you can speak intelligently and make them laugh even though they don’t know exactly what you’re talking about at all times, they’ll love you.

    Your life will be
    the subject of
    the next big
    Seth Rogan
    movie

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  671. cptnapalm, awesome. Another hippie gets what she deserved, hoisted by her own petard.

    Now if only Mandy XD would follow suit and search America for “collective autonomy.” Perhaps she will find her beloved NotMyPresident and lick his boots for him?

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  672. @LadyRaine:

    “This pisses me off. It’s totally “fine” to whisper about a skinny chick and say “probably a cokehead” or “you know she’s puking up her meals”, but the minute a thin woman talks shit on a fat chick, she’s an awful person. It’s total bullshit and it’s just jealousy. I’m sure there will be more and more fat porns because women are lying to themselves and calling them “curves” instead of “fat, sloppy, unattractiveness”.”

    Exactly.

    I know girls that are a little overweight and they always tell me,”You should eat more!” I’m a perfectly average weight. The only reason they’re telling me to eat more is so that I’ll be fat like them.

    Then they try to reassure themselves,”Well, I have bigger curves than she does.”

    To fatties out there: your protruding stomach does not count as a curve.

    One male commenter on here was wondering why women are so hard on fatties.

    It’s because we have to deal with fat women VERY OFTEN. Fat women and they’re stupid rationales. Whereas, you don’t, or maybe, if you do, you only have to deal with them for ONE NIGHT.

    I hate opening a magazine and seeing a picture of a fat girl, and above it she says she’s curvy. No, she’s fat. They should just put a sign saying “FAT” on her. Then maybe she’ll lose weight.

    I’m sorry, I’m just sick of fattitude.

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  673. hey goofy – wft are you doing blessing obama like a good little public education-indoctrintated Hitler Youth

    but bitching about fatties..

    pc is nullified by gender slender loyalty?

    hypocrite 😉

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  674. “They should just put a sign saying “FAT” on her. ”
    —watch out, you tubby fucker; you’re not thin yourself.

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  675. on July 15, 2009 at 1:32 pm instafaggot

    lurker,
    I apparently mispoke because I was talking about standards of beauty, not orientation (aka preference). My mistake. My only intention was to point out that men of all orientations can identify a woman on the 1-10 scale because the standards of beauty are objective even when there is no sexual interest.

    That said, I have no comment on where or why sexual orientation comes from, but thanks for sharing your views. A little over-stated, but whatever.

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  676. “I don’t know why Ovid would say something that stupid. That is a VERY short woman and 85lbs isn’t crazy for her.”

    That was me. And it was a fucking joke.

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  677. @lurker,

    Of course. Certainly.

    At a BMI of 19.9, I’m a tubby fucker. Ok.

    Makes perfect sense.

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  678. That wildebeast in the photo is 150 all right…. 150 kilos.

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  679. Crap, mod bots got me!

    @ A.J. Travis

    Sorry A.J., I know it’s not as per your instructions, but I’m sitting in bed right now so this is the best I can do on late notice.

    Then maybe you should stop fucking bi-sexual bartenders, and pick an intelligent man to spend your time with.

    My boyfriend says he’s sorry, he’s not bisexual, but he’s flattered that you want him to be.

    As for his intelligence, I’ll let him answer that for you.

    SRSLY.

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  680. OneSTDV,
    Since its very easy to get sidetracked whenever we converse, I thought to simply sidestep your comments above and layout my positions, in concise order:

    1. HBDers seem interested in only discussing one side of the Bell Curve, the Left Enders. If they were truly interested in a fuller discussion of the ramifications of HBD, they would also discuss the downsides of the Right Enders as well. They don’t because of political reasons.

    2. As Sailer notes in a recent piece in Taki’s Mag dealing w/the Ricci New Have case, the vast majority of really important jobs are, have been, and look to be for the forseeable future, White. He gives as an example (and he cites quite a few) that Hollywood scriptwriters are something like NINETY-FIVE PERCENT WHITE. Sailer then adds, and I agree, that White Guy Right Enders have little to fear from Pookie and Ray-Ray.

    3. I won’t attempt to speak for Roissy wrt Game. But what I will say is that it is a proven fact that the higher the IQ, especially in Males, the greater chance for being socially maladapted. To a Man, the average HBDer is a White Male, in his 20s-30s (prime dating/mating years) w/an estimated average IQ in the 120 range, at least one standard deviation above the American White average. All of this you’d agree with, because I got the info directly from your site. I’m sure you can take it from there.

    4. It is generally agreed upon by a good number of readers that Half Sigma is a bitter Man, or he does a heck of an impersonation of one. Nor does it take a psychologist to see what his basic core issues are. Only those who have the same difficulty w/the facts when its unpleasant for them to deal with will attempt to argue otherwise.

    Holla back

    O

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  681. on July 15, 2009 at 2:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’on July 15, 2009 at 11:56 am cptnapalm
    How does one “activate a stereotype”?

    Let us give this a shot: Feminists love to suck cock and get fucked in the ass! Everyone knows this!””””””’

    You are the smartest man alive because that is true.

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  682. LilGirl just turned me lesbian for a few seconds.

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  683. OneSTDV,
    Just wanted to note this in reply to your above comments as well, lest you or anyone else gets it twisted:

    For the umpteenth time-most Whites do not live amongst Blacks and vice versa. Moreover, the number one victims of violent Black streetcrime, as depicted quite clearly on The Wire, are other Blacks-often, rival Black criminals.

    Whites like you have little to fear from being hit in a driveby shooting or a home invasion search and destroy mission by rivial drugs dealing thugs. Your car has little chance of being carjacked because for the most part you don’t drive through Black ‘hoods. And if you’re a student at university, you have both the protection of the city police, as well as campus police, which is more than the average inner city Black person has.

    Not only that, but Black criminals are locked up, which explains why despite all the handwringing about crime on you and other White folks’ parts, that crime rates of all kinds but especially of the violent sort has fallen, according to FBI stats.

    So, I say all this to simply say, that so much of the concerns of Right Ender HBDers are much ado about nothing really, and doesn’t address why they aren’t the Masters of the Universe they were heralded to be back in highschool. Oh, to be sure, there ARE reasons, very good ones, as to why they never quite got the brass ring. It’s just they can’t handle the truth, to coin a phrase.

    Like I said, holla back.

    O

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  684. Oh, cuntrag, you know you were a dyke the moment you put on the size 16 underpants and whined, “Why don’t they like me for me?”

    Now go back to your Nobama-worshipping, bootlicking, terrorist coddling, lying, let-the-thieves-keep-the-things-they-steal commune, you disgusting whore.

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  685. Dang, does wordpress now block image links?

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  686. @ Mandy! xD

    It blocks if you have more than one link in a post — try to put them in html.

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  687. on July 15, 2009 at 3:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Lilgrl haden’t seen the first link wtf. You are out of control he he he

    How am I supposed to deal with stuff like that I am just a man not a saint.

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  688. on July 15, 2009 at 3:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    And again why woman need no special protection they already get it through natural means.

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  689. @LilGrl:

    I only had one link and it blocked it.

    Maybe it’s blocking facebook image links now?

    It doesn’t even say it’s going to be moderated.

    Whatever, I’ll try later.

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  690. Lucifer: “The romans (during the roman empire) saw west europeans as mentally inferior savages, who were oversexed and promiscuous. Their idea of female beauty was mediterranean.”

    You are a retard. Tacitus specifically talks about the surprising monogamy of Germans (and I think Caesar does the same for the Gauls), and dyed red hair on women was fashionable during the Claudian regime.

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  691. “Whites like you have little to fear from being hit in a driveby shooting or a home invasion search and destroy mission by rivial drugs dealing thugs.”

    Actually, whites are just as likely to be killed by a black as they are by a white. Blacks are just so murderous and so savage, compared to whites, that even though their degenerate tendencies are mostly inflicted on their communities the spillover into other communities is indeed something to be feared by whites. Unless they live a thousand miles away from the nearest black area, people of any race are at risk of being victimized by black savages.

    I guess in the African mindset of murder-just-happens, whites (in particular) have little to be afraid of. But by white community standards, whites absolutely have more to fear from the average black than they do from the average white, even when they try to distance themselves from black communities.

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  692. Reginald,
    I’m sorry but I just am not moved by your hamfisted alarmism. The stats are quite clear in this area: Black folk kill Black folk, far and away moreso than they do anyone else, and yes, that includes Whites.

    But when it does happen, you can be rest assured that when caught, such a Black criminal is punished severly. Again, the reason why crime rates are down accross the board is simple-we lock more (Black) criminals up, and for longer sentences to boot. Look it up yourself.

    This discussion kinda reminds me of “The Wire” debate-some of you White folks have so much emotionally invested in your preconceived notions, that even when the evidence is in your face you’ll cling to it like deadwood. Its at turns, fascinating, and sad to witness.

    O

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  693. on July 15, 2009 at 5:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””reginald
    “Whites like you have little to fear from being hit in a driveby shooting or a home invasion search and destroy mission by rivial drugs dealing thugs.”

    Actually, whites are just as likely to be killed by a black as they are by a white. Blacks are just so murderous and so savage, compared to whites, that even though their degenerate tendencies are mostly inflicted on their communities the spillover into other communities is indeed something to be feared by whites. Unless they live a thousand miles away from the nearest black area, people of any race are at risk of being victimized by black savages.

    I guess in the African mindset of murder-just-happens, whites (in particular) have little to be afraid of. But by white community standards, whites absolutely have more to fear from the average black than they do from the average white, even when they try to distance themselves from black communities.”””””””

    And when you own your own house in a white neighborhood that is lower priced than say 60k you still cannot escape. Blacks will be moved in next door with section 8. Yeeee haaaaaa Yay for diversity. So you must go and get the median home price of 220k in order to not have people living next door that do so for free.

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  694. on July 15, 2009 at 5:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    No when caught black criminals are punished less severily than whites because the punishment for whites is an example on the few. With blacks it is just another day.

    Look at the dude who spent 14 years in jail for refusal to pay alimony.

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  695. Gunny,
    Why is that so bad if you don’t want live among a certain group of people? If I didn’t want to live among a certain group of people, price wouldn’t be an option, peace of mind would be. As I’ve told Dana before, there are many places in the country where you can move and be surounded as far as the eye can see by nothing but White folks-the taxes and overall living expenses will be cheaper, too. Why not simply go there?

    O

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  696. on July 15, 2009 at 5:40 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “As I’ve told Dana before, there are many places in the country where you can move and be surounded as far as the eye can see by nothing but White folks”……..

    Israel is also always an option.

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  697. GNP — I CAN master Game, just for a specific subset, arty girls.

    Over and over again, women choose primarily on aggression. I’ve heard one female friend describe her innate lust for a male mutual friend, based on the fact that he was an ex-motorcycle racer, and attracted a classmate who had a “slutty” image. That was it, she told me that there was no way in hell she’d let this girl get him instead of her (she was much hotter btw). This girl btw was a dual JD-MBA, smarter than myself or anyone else here. One of the few people I knew who really understood the Black-Scholes options model. Women avoid Star Trek Conventions, Dungeons and Dragons, anything else associated with geeky, nerdy, high-IQ guys. If you have a high IQ, you better conceal it or do lots of risky things. I knew another guy who’d casually mention his whitewater kayaking experiences, and trip to the Himalayas, every chance he got. It worked wonders, because the risky (and expensive) endeavors were a two-fer: indicators of high testosterone and money.

    Chuck — While women do like high verbal acuity, they don’t like masculine intelligence. I’ve done well chatting up girls on music, art, particularly the impressionists, and anything to do with French culture. From experience I avoid politics, science, economics, or anything stereotypically nerdy/masculine. You are right, arty girls love this, but sadly their supply has dwindled to extinction, replaced by skanky tattooed edgy girls.

    Obsidian — The Wire like others said, is a cult show. Meanwhile Ads particularly (see my links up-thread if they got approved for the Dell Ink and the Microsoft Synch “Michael Bolton” ads on Youtube) show White guys as doofuses that Blacks and women patronize. NUMB3RS in particular has their Black characters patronize and scorn various SWPL targets, see also the “Wise Black Superior” trope of say, Cold Case or the other Bruckheimeren shows [My Own Worst Enemy, Without A Trace, etc.]

    As for racial peace through distance, unfortunately the Global Warming crowd which hates the suburbs and private cars is intent on pushing everyone back into cities.

    [editor: what will eventually happen (after much tumult) is the inner city core gets pushed into the suburban ring around the city and replaced by SWPLs and nouveau rich, as is happening in DC with it’s high crime prince georges county. the DC metro region will come to resemble paris in who lives where. as lenin said (sort of): who? where?]

    Meaning the Middle/Working class get pushed around by antagonistic Blacks and Hispanics. As much as Dr. King, segregation was ended by the burbs and private cars. Chevrolet and Ford did as much as the NAACP to end it. By making it moot. Now we are all supposed to live in cities like Hong Kong with mass transit and no cars. Something will have to give. In LA no-one rides the Blue Line or Green Line because it passes through South Central and is infested with Gangstas. Only the “safe” mostly White ridership of the Gold and Red lines get people on the trains.

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  698. lilgrl your body is off the chain

    *awaits comments from AJ and tupac*

    @onestd-zack is asian.
    & On Boy Meets world, Sean dated a black girl for 3 seasons
    Sean had an afro so he doesn’t count.

    Insta f (By the way, that chick is fat and big giant asses are not attractive on anyone. Period.)
    Really what about>>> http://www.badbdaily.blogspot.com/

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  699. Bhetti’s new nickname bhetti the machete

    @whiskey- have you taken a really good look at Levi Johnson? He is very very good looking. Women will overlook his douchieness because of the way he looks.

    [editor: it’s not just a man’s looks. women will overlook an ugly man’s douchieness if he has game or other markers of high status.]

    Aoefe And proof I need to lose a few – I have very tiny wrists.
    Don’t go to slim on us. Tyra Banks, Adrianna Lima and Laetitia Casta were the best Victoria Secret models because they were slim and curvy with some flesh on their bodies. Some of the current models are too lean which makes them look somewhat unappealing in lingerie.
    http://www.laetitiacasta.com/thumbnails.php?album=32

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  700. Whiskey,
    By your own definition then, wouldn’t Buffy the Vampire Slayer be a “cult show”? And you don’t seem to have any problem writing at considerable length about it, making analyes and giving conclusions about what it means in the larger social context, etc. Same deal w/Gilmore Girls and so on-shows that, by your own admission, don’t have that much higher a viewership than The Wire. So again, I really don’t get it.

    You said that shows these days don’t show “the depressing reality of Black streetcrime”, yet that is the whole of The Wire’s focus. Whiskey asked whether the White Males on the show were derided as milqutoaste Betas and I named at least three or four who in my view did not. You’ve also complained of the poor writing of many shows, geared to, in your view, a female audience-I honestly don’t think The Wire can be described in those terms.

    Again Whiskey, it just seems like you’re grabbing at rhetorical straws here, and making a bad job of it. No, one show, no matter how big, can counter all the other examples you and others may cite. But it does serve to illustrate the point that the whole of the multi-media world is out to get the beleagured White guy either.

    It just ain’t so.

    O

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  701. on July 15, 2009 at 6:40 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Bah. SWPL can really be defined thusly: The perfectly indoctrinated useful idiot for the social engineers. Every “belief” and they have has been carefully scripted and implanted into their brains by mass media and educational institutionalization.

    An SWPL-er can be reliably and predictably manipulated by commercials, and mass media entertainment to shape their thoughts and attitudes to make them the perfect consumers of their products….and to live their lives according to the desires of the elite who are exercising their population control agenda to control the masses.

    In short, the SWPLer is the living manifestation of the typical citizen in Huxley’s Brave New World.

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  702. on July 15, 2009 at 6:43 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! xD – @lurker:

    http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v164/211/48/535439600/n535439600_339017_8736.jpg

    That photo should have had a NSFW tag on it.

    Do you know how embarrassing it is to throw up at the office?

    Oh yes, I’m a total walrus.

    Excuse the facial expression and chonga-style photo, guys.

    Mandy 17 + 10 = female manatee.

    Mandy! xD – @lurker, Of course. Certainly.

    At a BMI of 19.9, I’m a tubby fucker. Ok.

    So you like to have sex with fat boys, so what.

    No reason to demean yourself with the description “tubby fucker”.

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  703. whiskey to Mu The Wire like others said, is a cult show.

    you can lead a horse to the water but you can’t make him drink. All the creators can do is put on a show like the wire and hope that it catches on. If it had, we would see many more shows mimicking the wire. The people in Hollywood are about making dollars nothing more nothing less.

    While women do like high verbal acuity, they don’t like masculine intelligence
    most men don’t enjoy the sort of things that women do. Arguing about it is lame. You should have male friends who you can peacock your masculine intelligence before.

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  704. Chic’s gotta powerful point-actually two.

    One, Whiskey’s fight is w/Hollywood execs who cater to target groups who want to see certain things. That’s the nature of any business, and they’re doing that. If more Men want to see more of the kinds of dramas and the like on tv, they first have to support them when they’re on, and two, they have to let their advertisers know the deal.

    At some point Men will have to get themselves together if they want to see change, if for no other reason that what we’ve been doing aint gettin the desired result.

    And two, I think we demand too much of our relationships. I don’t need my Woman to be my end all be all. Other people should be in my life to provide those needs.

    O

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  705. @whiskey, you’re being overly stark in your opinion of what works. I’ve been comiccon several times, find D&D amusing, etc. etc. Clearly some of the ladies here enjoy the political discussions going on. If we met I may not want to sleep with you, but not necessarily bc of the above reasons. I usually don’t want to sleep with someone who isn’t conversant in at least one of these “masculine” topics of convo either.

    The point: it’s not necessarily the topic of conversation that is the killer, at least not with everyone. Sheesh.

    And it’s not a coast difference; I’m from Santa Barbara.

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  706. mu And two, I think we demand too much of our relationships. I don’t need my Woman to be my end all be all. Other people should be in my life to provide those needs

    Mu, I’ve been saying this since day one at this blog. Too many people expect perfection both inside and out.

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  707. on July 15, 2009 at 7:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Obsidian
    Gunny,
    Why is that so bad if you don’t want live among a certain group of people? If I didn’t want to live among a certain group of people, price wouldn’t be an option, peace of mind would be. As I’ve told Dana before, there are many places in the country where you can move and be surounded as far as the eye can see by nothing but White folks-the taxes and overall living expenses will be cheaper, too. Why not simply go there?

    O””””””””””””

    That is right price shouldn’t be an option section 8 shouldn’t be an option. So at the very least if you are living in an area with houses that cost 60k only people who can pay the rent or mortgage are living there because they choose to live there. Not because the government decides that they will pay the rent of someone to live next door to you. So you can struggle to pay the bills and be responsible and your next door neighbor is living for free and doesn’t give a fuck.

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  708. maurice: IT AIN’T SO. My insecurity can get out of hand (not that particular effort is put in to help, in selective cases).

    chic noir: machete? How did I earn this? Cuttingly, sharply or maybe just mean?

    Tupac:

    The jew bashing here is directed, NOT to the pure Israeli types, but the thoroughly SWPL-ized, self-hating, liberal, decadent, homosexual contingent which predominates Hollywood and Wall Street.

    Glad to see all types are covered. Not really. No wonder they have a severe case of Minority Mentality.

    Gunny: you want a life coaching website, do you? I can’t remember you wanting any others.

    AJ:

    Yeah Bhetti, that’s why I am so pissed off all the time: because I hate injustice, and so many guys aI know – decent, salt of the earth type guys, who are working hard, playing by the rules, not whoring around on their wives/girlfriends are getting royally fucked over by the system, and those who benefit from it (slutty women and the men who enable them.)

    We never disagreed about the injustice. But the constructive methods of correcting it, really. From what I can tell: You’re somewhat revenge-focused [that may just be the impression from the anger] but I’m primarily concerned with reform.

    whiskey:

    Betti — a follow up: life on an Aircraft carrier is about as non-SWPL, non-feminized as you can get. One wrong move on the flight deck and you die, and maybe lots of your shipmates. Discipline must be 100%. There is no room for screw-ups. There is no room for posturing, peacocking, being a douche bag, and other things that women love in men, but are disasters in a floating nuclear reactor and arsenal/airport. Which is what a carrier is. It’s about as beta as you can get, and miles away from the sort of asshole peacocking one-upsmanships that women love.

    But there it is.

    But this is all chick porn for me, though? How can it be beta if discipline and self-control as well as risking one’s life is hugely attractive? I’m odd that way?

    I remember feeling all sorts of wrong attraction to my friend’s army brother, seeing as how it feels personally disloyal to Arab identity to like him. And it is based on the view of the military. He incomprehensibly married a fat physically unattractive girl, if young and homemaking and relatively sweet especially considering her environment. Suppose he wasn’t utterly clueless, retrospectively thinking about this. Not hot, but at least loyal and his.

    Threatening to Nuke Mecca (and many other places) is simply the principle of deterrence. Of course it must be believed, and believed by not just President X, who may not have power, but tribal leaders down to the most low level. But it’s a proven way to purchase security, though it has to be believed and credible (i.e. the US can and will do it).

    The very reason it’s an effective deterrent is the reason why actually doing it seems a sure recipe for disaster.

    It’s a rare person that would be able to threaten it and mean it in the current political climate. Cajones, they are missing. Certainly not Obama’s style from all appearances.

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  709. I don’t mind her ass, but she has a seriously fucking ugly face.

    I like an ass that will smack you back, but the waist has to be narrow.

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  710. @chic – “I would so love to hear our dear roissy( and you) screaming, whistling, moaning, coughing, and making other weird but interesting noises in the throws of passion”

    Coughing!!! Unless you have turbuculosis why oh why would this be a sound you’d make in love making.

    I think this video of Monica trying to convince Chandler to have sex with her while she’s sick is very funny. Watch about the 1:50 mark.