The Italian And The American

I watched my friend open a two set sitting next to the fish tank. His opener — he informs the girls that the orange-colored fish goes by the scientific name “orange creamsicle” — was a little lame, but serviceable. Nothing the God of Game wouldn’t let you into hell for. The prettier of the two girls responded well, with bright eyes and animated gestures. She wasn’t in tip top shape (she had a big bottom) but her face was lean and tan and she had a natural, wholesome beauty. Although my friend addressed both girls, the other girl was not as committed to the conversation, and her eyes wandered around the room. While the prettier girl smiled, her friend’s stiffly pursed lips barely nudged.

I stood nearby in case my friend cued that he needed a wing, but his set didn’t last long enough to require my assistance. The reason for this is because the girl who was less invested in his conversation performed a brazen cockblock move, which involved stepping a few feet away from her friend for a couple of seconds and then stepping back to her friend, grabbing her by the arm, and pulling her away from my buddy with some sort of “Hey, our friends are here” excuse. As cockblock maneuvers go, this one was simple and effective. The RPG of urban sex war.

Why did this girl cockblock? There are many reasons, but one would stand out, which I’ll get to below. For the moment, a general rule of thumb states that girls cockblock when:

  1. Their friend signals in girlcode that the guy hitting on her is beta. (This did not happen to my friend in this case.)
  2. They sense that the guy hitting on their friend is beta. (This likely did happen to my friend in this case.)
  3. They are jealous of the male attention that their friend is receiving. (My friend opened both of them simultaneously, so this was not likely the cause.)

The only time a girl will *help* her friend with a guy (i.e., she’ll be a cockbacker) is when none of the above conditions are operational; she isn’t getting signaled to intervene, she judges the man hitting on her friend to be alpha, and she isn’t motivated by jealousy. This is a rare confluence of preconditions, so when it happens to you be sure to savor every last minute.

I suspected that the reason my friend got blown out by a professional cockblocker had to do with the incongruence between his body language and the words coming out of his mouth. I sensed a disjunct between the confidence exhibited by his verbal game and the lack of confidence conveyed in his nonverbal subcommunication. (And if I could sense it, then certainly the girls with their honed female intuition could sense it.) His strong tonality, voice projection, and decent conversational skills were sabotaged by jerky whole body movements, “pecking”, and overenthusiastic laughter. I’ve seen this phenomenon so often that I’ve come to the conclusion that how a man says what he says to women is far more important than the substance of what he says. If you have the world’s cleverest opener, or gina tingle-iest routine, it will fail if your body language betrays betaness. If your body language is solid, you can get traction with a simple “Hi”.

After the two girls vanished I asked my friend how it went. He said the prettier girl who was smiling and seemingly enjoying his conversation was Italian, in the States for a visit, and the cockblocker with the early onset double chin was American. My friend was doomed from the get-go. Never underestimate the raging jealousy American girls have for foreign girls. Although my buddy’s game was not tight, what really sealed his fate was the unstoppable juggernaut of envy, bitterness, and low class callowness that fuels the American Woman’s pissiness when in the company of foreign women.

The Italian girl may not have been blown away by my buddy’s game, but she treated him with respect and projected an air of feminine charm the whole time. She may have even thought he was beta, but you would never have guessed it by her pleasant demeanor and winning smile. Meanwhile, the American girl acted like a pouting, heavily sighing bitch, a snake in the grass coiled and ready to spring into action with a venomous quick strike cockblock.

Italian girl – feminine and elegant.

American girl – minefield.

There is one thing American women do better than foreign women — suck all the fun out of life. An American woman is always on the lookout for the slightest hint of betaness in a man, unwilling to budge an inch should the conversation not proceed exactly in alignment with her most fervid Cosmo-ized romcom fantasies. American men have perfected the art of game because we have to deal with entitled American women. Foreign women, quite apart from their bloated American sisters, are not hounddogs constantly sniffing out betaness. They are more willing to allow a conversation with a man to slowly develop and see where it leads. Their’s is an attitude of natural curiosity and love of the company of men.

An American woman I’m seeing treats me well, has a big heart, and fucks like a champ. Yet, every time I’m around foreign girls I ask myself the same question: Why am I not in Estonia?





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  1. There is one thing American women do better than foreign women — suck all the fun out of life.

    ….truer words were never spoken.

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  2. on August 17, 2009 at 12:49 pm Low Class Troll

    Look everybody, I’m a troll! Feed me! Respond to my idiocy! Take my lies at face value! I am Lady Troll, and I tell everyone I keep venomous snakes for pets for my bastard son to play with!

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  3. The US “culture” has always been the jealous bastard child of Europe. But the US had the mongrel vitality that Europe lacked. We’ve jetisoned our vitality and still have no culture. We’re in trouble.

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  4. on August 17, 2009 at 1:00 pm Cannon's Canon

    My last trip to Italy was about 10 years ago. I cashed a Traveler’s Cheque at the Banco di Roma and got a stack of cinquecento mille lire bills (about $30 at the time). I remarked at the high security measures in the branch.

    Later, I tried to buy some film at a camera store, but the cashier ran my bill under a UV light and determined it was fake. I tried another and no dice. The rest of my day was spent breaking these bills in creative manners.

    Notably, I bought a poster from the Vatican with my fake currency. I trust the God of Game approved.

    The moral of the story: never trust an Italian. That their character compares favorably to American women is quite a profound revelation.

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  5. on August 17, 2009 at 1:01 pm Low Class Troll

    Umm Roissy I asked why you feel the need to insult American women and then expect them to date you. And I don’t HAVE a poisonous snake, idiot. I doubt the one I caught at work is poisonous.

    That was living at home growing up, you assclown.

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  6. on August 17, 2009 at 1:02 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Does Lady Troll make this place her homepage or something? She has an uncanny ability to get the first (or near-first) comment in on any Roissy masterpiece. Perhaps the gina tingle is strong in this one.

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  7. Excellent post. Very timely and you captured many of my thoughts recently.

    Comments:

    “I stood nearby in case my friend cued that he needed a wing”

    Good Game Roissy. Nothing is worse than a running partner who jumps the gun and comes in for backup too quick. I hate when that happens. I can handle two girls by myself. Plus, I like to pull “Vicky Cristinas” http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/07/pulling-a-vicky-cristina.html

    “The RPG of urban sex war.”

    Good one.

    “how a man says what he says to women is far more important than the substance of what he says”

    This is one of the most important aspects of swooping girls. Content is Not King.

    Body language, style, sharp dress, smoking and attitude are. Swagger is King.

    If you have Swagger, even if you lose you win.

    Great job on identifying and breaking down the mixed foreign girl, American girl set.

    For you buddy to have done better, he needed to work on the hidi American girl and win her over first.

    “Why am I not in Estonia?”

    I have been asking myself the same question. Every girl I have swooped recently and has been into me, has been a foreign girl or American girl with plenty of foreign culture mixed in.

    I am out next month: Colombia, Dominican etc.

    – MPM

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  8. “She wasn’t in tip top shape (she had a big bottom)”

    So if she has a big butt, it’s because she’s fat? Only an anglo would say that. =x

    As for the girl and her friend: She may have been a type that isn’t to aggressive or froward, and therefore let her friend lead her away. Or, her friend may have sensed some sort of discomfort in her demeanor (she may have been masking it to you guys, but trust me, another girl will pick up on it) and was “rescued.”

    Either way, the main difference here is that one girl is clearly the leader, more dominant, and arrogant. She probably didn’t even consider your friend worth her time.

    The other is nicer, sweeter, and more humble.

    Unfortunately the former is being associated with American women, but oh well. That’s how the cookie crumbles. People need to be more aware of how they come across.

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  9. I have a hard time connecting with most foreign born people. Maybe it’s the mangled and hard to understand English and/or the cultural gap (probably the latter), but I just don’t get the attraction to foreign born women.

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  10. Women compete mercilessly with each other for Alpha sperm and the attached value of Alphacash resources.

    When one girl is chosen, it’s implied the other is ‘rejected’ by the iconic alpha selection system.

    The ‘rejected’ female has little choice but sabotage.

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  11. wow.

    why fucking delay MY EVERY COMMENT by moderation

    WHEN EVERY FUCKING ONE IS PUBLISHED ANYWAY

    MOUT

    [editor: your comments aren’t being moderated. wordpress is automatically catching something which is causing the delay. i don’t know what it is.]

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  12. She wasn’t in tip top shape (she had a big bottom)
    no way, thats absurd. was your “wing” black by any chance?

    Anyway how about some italian women turned american?

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  13. When I go out with my foreign-born woman, other women tell us how she cute and friendly and warm-hearted she is, and that she has an infectious laugh. On several occasions, straight women have been into us both, at the same time. In some cases, they were colleagues of mine who were finally meeting my woman, and on other occasions, they were colleagues of hers who were finally meeting me. In one case, a colleague of mine was pawing me in front of other colleagues and turning to my woman to enthusiastically tell her adorable she is. In the office the following week, she told everyone about the girl crush she has on my woman. This weekend, one of my woman’s colleagues, who is in serious man-hunting mode, met me with a huge and leering smile, and for the rest of the night, couldn’t take her eyes off my woman. She was singing her praises to me while she looked over at her with lovestruck eyes.

    There is obvious threesome potential here, and I’ve raised the issue with my woman, but I haven’t gotten very far. Any advice?

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  14. Body language, style, sharp dress, smoking and attitude are.

    G Manifesto, do you do any zippo lighter Game? light up a girl’s smoke, light yours with a flourish, etc?

    I used to do this awesome zippo lighter trick when I smoked. Equal parts Elvis and Andrew Dice, but this was more for entertaining my buddies or fun at parties, not so much for pick-up.

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  15. ””””””OneSTDV
    I have a hard time connecting with most foreign born people. Maybe it’s the mangled and hard to understand English and/or the cultural gap (probably the latter), but I just don’t get the attraction to foreign born women.”””””””

    Umm my “relative” makes 25k in 2 days she is not “free”. My foreign born wife does not she is “free”.

    “free”=has freedom to chill out hang with family. All the time in world to do what she would like. Pursue happiness that sort of thing.

    Any Questions?

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  16. I like big bottoms. They jiggle when you hit it from the rear, and provide cushion. I’ve never understood the appeal of a flat, toned, muscular female backside.

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  17. If the setup were reversed and this happened in Italy where an Italian guy approached the set with your buddy’s imperfect Game, would the Italian girl have been cold and the American one more receptive?

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  18. Saw a pic of you Roissy…..I give you a solid 7.

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  19. ”””””””””””Backdoor Man,
    There is obvious threesome potential here, and I’ve raised the issue with my woman, but I haven’t gotten very far. Any advice?”””””””””’

    Yea do that shit in another country. Do not let the american hoes anywhere near her pureness.

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  20. ”””””’There is obvious threesome potential here, and I’ve raised the issue with my woman, but I haven’t gotten very far. Any advice?””””””’

    Oh and of course if you really feel the need to temp and paly with the devil just make it happen you the man right. Just be carefull what you wish for you might get it. Remember that in life you “can” make almost anything happen as “the Man” sometimes the question is should you. You have to sometimes protect her “honor” to some extent and not completely take advantage of her “love”.

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  21. PA

    Body language, style, sharp dress, smoking and attitude are.

    “G Manifesto, do you do any zippo lighter Game? light up a girl’s smoke, light yours with a flourish, etc? ”

    Ha.

    I have forgotten more Zippo tricks than most people will ever learn.

    I just had “Cigarette Week” over at The Manifesto.

    My favorite light move/Close?

    The Double light move:

    http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2009/08/a-classic-double-cigarette-light-move.html

    – MPM

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  22. Peep game you may want to frame the shit like for threesome with woman you don’t know so that the shit doesn’t come back to haunt you like I know what you did last summer type shit. Put that shit in a different frame like different country/city. So as not to be a normal event so much as something exotic.

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  23. thumb forefinger snap finger to light with the wing close whats up now.

    all right out

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  24. All true, but never underestimate some of these beautiful foreign bitches, especially after a year or two of living in a big U.S. city. I credit one with being the primary reason I decided to truly learn Game.

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  25. “I’ve never understood the appeal of a flat, toned, muscular female backside.”

    Toned, muscular ass is NOT flat.

    BTW, it’s a very real possibility that the masculinization of American women and feminization of American men are related to all the hormones and chemicals we pump into our food and consumables.

    It’s no secret that many male fish in American waters are dying and/or sprouting OVARIES because of our runoff chemicals.

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  26. I don’t know about your conclusion Roissy. Anyone who has actually been to Italy knows that Italian men have pretty much perfected Game, and aren’t afraid of making approaches anytime, and anywhere. American guys and British guys are pretty horrible at Game. Most of Southern Europeans tend to be much, much better at it all. So the pretty girl was probably just humoring your buddy to pass the time, and the friend probably just was too bored to while away watching your friend awkwardly flirt with her friend.

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  27. Most people in most parts of the world are interested in other people for their own sake. Even if the Italian girl had no intention of letting the guy get anywhere (the likely case) she might well find talking to him for a few minutes and interesting pleasurable experience.

    Most Americans are mostly interested in people the way Dracula was interested in them*. The American figured out your friend had nothing she wanted or might want and didn’t care whether or not her Italian friend was having a good time talking to him. Her needs came first (and always will).

    *yeah I stole that from Courtney Love, I’m sure she stole it from someone too

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  28. This post reminds me of some recent US legislation: the international marriage broker regulation act.

    http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/nucleus/index.php?itemid=2

    Depending on your point of view, the act either…

    a) Protects innocent and vulnerable foreign women from the tyrannical American male whom one should presume is an abuser, or

    b) Is a simple move rooted in American feminism to limit foreign competition.

    Unlike Roissy, I wouldn’t be so quick to rule-out jealousy (as well as body language) as the motivation for the cockblock. Sure, the guy opened both girls in the two-set. But could it be that the American realized from the start that, even though she might be more pretty, she also wasn’t as interesting as the foreign-born with the big booty?

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  29. on August 17, 2009 at 2:01 pm snatch magnet

    I understand the need for body language to be in line with speech, tone, volume, facial expression, etc. However, in this case would there have been any merit to engaging the non target first? Or at least, gearing conversation toward her in the begining. My initial impression is that she may have just felt jealous that her friend was getting the attention.

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  30. “Anyone who has actually been to Italy knows that Italian men have pretty much perfected Game, and aren’t afraid of making approaches anytime, and anywhere.”

    I think this is a general Southern Europe thing. Recently at a hotel in Southern Spain at early breakfast (before 8.00 am) I got treated to the spectacle of a mid 20’s Spanish guy opening up a can of game on an 30 something married lady with her 10 year old daughter in tow, complete with excuses for physical contact (which turned into stroking her arm and the small of her back) while making small talk.

    The opening was asking if she was Italian (no, she was Portuguese in Spain for a shopping trip, I didn’t catch where the hubbie was). The wingman tried to deflect the daughter’s obvious revulsion (trying to pull her mother away) by pointing it out and saying “Oh isn’t that cute, she’s shy! She’s shy!”.

    Luckily I got to leave before seeing how it all turned out but it was a memorable performance. The people I was travelling with didn’t understand Spanish and had assumed they were all old friends who hadn’t seen each other in a long time….

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  31. on August 17, 2009 at 2:06 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    Roissy:

    “If your body language is solid, you can get traction with a simple “Hi”.”

    Absolutely. During his infamous interview with Conan O’Brien (no longer available on the Internet), Mystery said that the most effective pick-up line was “hi.”

    OneSTDV:

    “I have a hard time connecting with most foreign born people. Maybe it’s the mangled and hard to understand English and/or the cultural gap (probably the latter), but I just don’t get the attraction to foreign born women.”

    The attractiveness of foreign born women is in part due to the sheer meanness of American women. Even a trip to Montreal, a short hop over the border, is a completely different world. Lord, I wish I was back there…

    MNL:

    “Depending on your point of view, the act either…

    a) Protects innocent and vulnerable foreign women from the tyrannical American male whom one should presume is an abuser, or

    b) Is a simple move rooted in American feminism to limit foreign competition.”

    Yeah, we all know the answer to that one. Sexual economics dictates that like all monopolists, women seek the highest price possible for their pussies. An influx of slim, svelte, and sweet women from other countries reduces the value of the average Ameribitch to zero, so its not surprising that they seek to slap bogus market controls on the flow of vaj.

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  32. No one else commented on the last paragraph. “An American woman I’m seeing treats me well, has a big heart, and fucks like a champ.”

    So that explains why Roissy has been emphasizing long-term relationship game. So Roissy, are you in love, or do you simply feel like she’s another woman you’re seeing and will dump for an Estonian woman soon?

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  33. “Anyone who has actually been to Italy knows that Italian men have pretty much perfected Game, and aren’t afraid of making approaches anytime, and anywhere.”

    “I think this is a general Southern Europe thing.”

    Yeah.

    I have seen some of the sickest most direct Game (with style) run on the most beautiful girls by Spanish Cats in Spain.

    I first went to Spain at age 16 and then again at 19, 20, 21.

    I learned more about pure Game in those years than you could in 10 years of reading internet pickup manuals by guys with goggles on their head.

    – MPM

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  34. Low Class Troll:
    Umm Roissy I asked why you feel the need to insult American women and then expect them to date you.

    expectin’s got nothing to do with it.

    And I don’t HAVE a poisonous snake, idiot.

    you wrote this:

    Either way, I always get venomous snakes because you can take the venom out or a poisonous variety, but you cannot “take the squeeze” out of a Boa Constrictor or similar type.

    b u s t e d.
    be careful lady troll, your lies are catching up to you.

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  35. The body language thing is very true. I happen to be flipping the pages of some body language-attraction books in the psychology section of a certain mega bookstore. Most of communication comes from body language. And the message from the body speaks more truth than words uttered from the mouth.

    Simple rule of thumb is don’t slouch and keep your shoulders relaxed (not tensed), no darting looks, keep eye contact, no fidgeting. If you exude confidence, others will respect you, take you seriously and not (dare) give you crap. It works not just in the attraction game, but in all other aspects of life too.

    BTW, lol @ Lady ‘Low Class’ Troll. It’s always fun to have a jester that keeps coming back to not only entertain the rest of us, but prove the whole damn point.

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  36. on August 17, 2009 at 2:16 pm jonathanjones02

    I was in Italy for a month last December. Incredible. The people in general were nice and helpful (which is important in the traffic jam that is Rome) and the women definitely had a natural feminity.

    This was a Catholic trip, so no Roissy-style “gaming,” but I would for sure date a (foreign born) Italian girl.

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  37. “If your body language is solid, you can get traction with a simple “Hi”.”

    I left a platinum comment a while back on this:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/anti-game/#comment-54809

    If I do say my damn self.

    Tip of the week:

    Learn how to say “hello” in as many languages as possible.

    – MPM

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  38. rope-a-hope:
    So Roissy, are you in love, or do you simply feel like she’s another woman you’re seeing and will dump for an Estonian woman soon?

    I don’t need anyone else to fight my battles for me. I do not want to see him in jail or unhappy. As I wrote previously, I bailed him out and helped expunge the DV incident off his record.

    tell us again, hope, how asshole game doesn’t work on women like you.
    or how you’d never fall for a guy who beat women.
    heh heh heh.

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  39. “So Roissy, are you in love, or do you simply feel like she’s another woman you’re seeing and will dump for an Estonian woman soon?”

    I don’t think Roissy does ‘love’.

    IINM his pattern is serial long(er) term relationships with random short term flings between, and during, them as I don’t think he does ‘monogamy’ either, though I think he expects the women in longer term relationships to be monogamous with him.

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  40. On body language.

    I just got off phone with the wife.

    I told her I was coming home in couple days.

    Listened to pure happiness on phone.

    Instant extra water in her mouth (when she gets hot yea starts flowing). So slurping in between shortness off breath, in between Happy, laughing, cheering, excitment.
    My dick was like a rock about busted pants.

    You know what didn’t happen. She didn’t ask me why I was coming home. She didn’t say what happened. She didn’t berate that I didn’t finish december like I had planned. She was just happy as fuck her man was coming home and her body was ready for me along with her mind. Beautiful really. Other bonus of foreign woman although yea could be all the time I put into my woman. Add the two together and it is dynomite.

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  41. do you guys go anywhere besides the Reef?

    [editor: it’s convenient. and i like the staff and the beer selection.]

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  42. “There is one thing American women do better than foreign women — suck all the fun out of life.”

    haha, nicely put.

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  43. tell us again, hope, how asshole game doesn’t work on women like you.
    or how you’d never fall for a guy who beat women.
    heh heh heh.

    Sigh.

    You want to know what he told me when I was 15 that got me to fall for him? He told me he never beat up women, and that he wanted to rescue women who were raped and beaten by terrible men. That he felt bad for my situation, my loneliness and knew what it was like to be an outcast, too. That he pitied me and what I had gone through in my childhood, and what my mother’s done to me. That I was the coolest chic he’d ever met, smarter at 15 than most of the older women he’d known. That he was spiritual, a shaman, and he wanted to live a life of freedom and independence.

    He never beat me.

    He made me believe he was a gentleman, a fallen paladin who didn’t have a holy sword. He made claims of being “chaotic good” and a “righteous” man. When I was 17, he came back to me and gave me these lines about how he always loved me, never stopped thinking about me, and that he thought I was just too young so he didn’t want to be the bad guy. I still thought I loved him, and I still thought he was a nice guy deep down.

    What is a woman like me?

    It was always me who was the horrible bitch. It was always me who was the mean one. I was the one making him yell at me, making him start those fights. He was the nice guy, the guy who would never beat a woman. He was the one who was always right. All those times he was being a jerk to other people, being angry over little things, lashing out at strangers, I justified them to myself as temporary. He was sweet and loving a lot of times, so how could the monster that came out sometimes be his true nature?

    Laugh, Roissy. Laugh at the poor fool that I was.

    What is my nature? Am I really a horrible person? Do I really love assholes? Could I really be a slut and whore? He made me believe it. He still writes me emails telling me what a horrible selfish lying bitch and slut I am. He still wants to draw me into his reality where I am the most despicable person on the face of the earth for daring to leave. I refuse to go back.

    Of all that I loved, I did not love myself. I do now.

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  44. This is a very strange coincidence but I pulled an Italian girl a few weeks ago that was dining alone with a simple hi and an invitation to join me and my friends for dinner. My friends are accustomed to seeing me swoop but I think this might have outdone them all. This girl’s beauty had my married friends kicking themselves that night and one of my female friends, inspired by the Italian’s figure, told me that she’s mulling over implants now. Hilarious. I’ve been seeing this girl since the night we met and she’s heading back to Italy next week. In the years that I’ve lived in NYC I can only think of a handful of times when I met an American woman that might have come a distant runner up to the other foreign girls I’ve dated but nowhere near this Italian bird. I’ve been shot down by American women not even a fraction as attractive as this girl and if I was an ugly, dumb, poor mother fucker with no game, then I can explain it away but I can’t with the litany of foreign girlfriends I’ve collected over the years. In my experience American’s just aren’t anywhere near as elegant as their foreign counterparts and are completely inept at balancing intelligence with femininity. Why are Americans such fucking morons at this?

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  45. rope-a-hope:
    Laugh, Roissy. Laugh at the poor fool that I was.

    i’m not laughing at the fool you once were.
    i’m laughing at the lies you’re telling now.

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  46. I think it also could be possible the Italian girl was nicer because she was on vacation, so she could be free to slut it up with no social slut-shaming repercussions. Plus American guys are exotic to her. If she and her American friend were in her hometown in Italy and an Italian guy came up to them, good chance the roles would have been totally reversed. Not that I’m sticking up for American chicks, they suck. Just something to keep in mind.

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  47. DF

    “Why are Americans such fucking morons at this?”

    Americans by and large a just plain morons.

    No where is it more magnified than when you travel.

    If I ever see Americans when I travel, I avoid them like the bird flu.

    – MPM

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  48. Truth Roissy.

    People think asian woman easy but shit i had to be willing to throw my body under bus for the woman three times now and go out with cannons to the right of me and cannons to the left of me to get that kind of immediate visceral reaction. Their shit tests can be deadly. he he he
    But not so much in any mundane way so perfect for me.

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  49. “He told me he never beat up women, and that he wanted to rescue women who were raped and beaten by terrible men”

    What? He just told you this out of thin air????

    RED FLAG!!!! RED FLAG!!!!! RED FLAG!!!!!!

    You’re not a horrible person for having fallen for an asshole once (or several times) just human. The question is have you gotten any better at detecting quality in men? Who are you more interested in now, a reasonable, dependeble guy who’s a little boring around the edges or a charismatic romantic soul who talks a lot about backpacking around the world and dances great?

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  50. Although I like your theory about the three different reasons for have a cockblock performed, I disagree slightly. Taking women’s intuition, chemistry, behaviors and frequent naturally selfish motives into play leads me to believe that #3 is almost always the cause (1 and 2 being far behind). Women I think do this on more of a primitive level, if questioned and pushed they would deny it and say they are looking out for their friend or simply “trying to have a good time without being hit on or picked up.” But in reality, either one of these happens:

    1. The player is paying no attention to her, she feels uncomfortable and jealous of the attention her friend(s) are getting. Then, rather having to face facing the facts (rejection), they dismantle the situation entirely. Then, they can avoid having to look at themselves and not take responsibility. Also they can maintain self-esteem based on the fact that they did something “righteous.”

    2. They keep the player around (as he delivers negs and ignores her) because she wants to prove her worth and primitively she loves a challenge – the chase, wondering if she will be able to get the ‘prize’ – that is the player, especially when he seems unattainable and is preselected from other women (her friends).

    It’s almost always a selfish reason. If there is some unspoken code between the two females in particular regarding ‘this guy is a loser help me get the fuck away from him’ – then they are still acting on selfish motives as it helps the female relationship with her friend and gets to boost her ego by trampling on someone else’s.

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  51. i’m laughing at the lies you’re telling now.

    Then keep laughing. Keep laughing because you think you see the truth.

    [editor: seeing your lies is enough for now.]

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  52. Roissy-

    People change.

    Or, at least, reveal their true despicable natures over time. come on, you know that.

    Hope:

    Shaman? Fallen paladin? Stop playing WoW, k thanks.

    (I kid. I’m sorry you had to go through what you did, but at least you learned from it, and you’ve emerged as a sronger, better, not bitter, person)

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  53. Of course you can find asian woman that love you for you to he he he

    Thats what makes em so awesome.

    But yea I think mine may set up some of the shit so I get to feel all manly and shit.

    So yea true love mua mua hahahahahaaha

    Slices and dices through the bullshit and tragecomedy. Like it is cool that life is so fuckin ironic. Because true love isn’t ironic. Irony don’t matter it is just true love. It is real about the only real fucking thing you can find on the planet.

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  54. on August 17, 2009 at 3:05 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    How can you be certain she isn’t giving him more attention simply because he is still somewhat of a novelty to her? I dunno, I think we’d have to ask Italian men their experience with Italian men, I suspect that while your theory is true, some of the friendliness of foreign women toward American men is not simply cultural, but a result of the fact that they are simply culturally different from what the women are used to. Afterall, American women report exactly the same thing with foreign men and often claim they’re sooo much more masculine/alpha/romantic/whatever cliche, when they might really mean he’s new and different.

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  55. Hope your deciding whether to go back to the dude. I suggest you go back through your old posts about him like where you said all the lovey stuff and rethink the situation. Or change your email and move and cut that shit off.

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  56. 1. Their friend signals in girlcode that the guy hitting on her is beta. (This did not happen to my friend in this case.)
    2. They sense that the guy hitting on their friend is beta. (This likely did happen to my friend in this case.)
    3. They are jealous of the male attention that their friend is receiving. (My friend opened both of them simultaneously, so this was not likely the cause.)

    I wouldn’t underestimate the relentless power of #3, and how it gets ratcheted if the girl dares to be friendly/encourage the man. I have several friends who when I’m out with I don’t even bother chatting with a guy unless I know they are chatting with boys. I only have one friend who will block a guy she considers a loser without some indication from me.

    Actually two: my favorite going out person is a total maneater and she will block anyone anytime that is boring her. (this is often mortifying but always hysterical.) She is also one of the few females I’ve ever met who seems impervious to jealousy in the bar scene.

    Also: how do you know you’re that conversant in girlcode that you can know if a signal was sent? I miss it half the time and I’m a total social pleaser. (did I miss the epic post that revealed the tricks of the trade?)

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  57. Roissy, you should do a post on this new study from the NYT:
    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/do-single-women-seek-attached-men/?apage=11#comments

    Apparently single women are significantly more interested in men if they’re told that they are already attached. Maybe your friend would have had better luck with a wedding ring on?

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  58. Of course if I go back through my old post I am talking about loving the same woman I love now so it kind of makes it easy. Glad I don’t have to ever go through that type of shit again. I made a descision for life and will be sticking with it. I highly suggest for your next trick pulling the rabbit out of the hat you make dam sure you have the ability to make a descision for life. You may be allowed one mistake why not. Just don’t make two it will destroy you.

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  59. The biggest problem with foreign women’s desire to converse with most men and listen with respect and attention is that it may send a false signal of flirtation to the man.

    American men follow this rule when engaging an American woman: if she laughs, engages in convo with me, and/or touches my arm, she’s into me.

    Foreign women do this as a matter of course during most conversations. It is much *less* of an IOI when foreign women do those things than Americans. I have a good Bulgarian friend who behaves this way, but she’s constantly having to thwart guys’ advances who take her friendliness for reciprocated attraction.

    American girls’ bitch shields are ways to deal with this situation. It may very well be that us guys are responsible for it by our spitting weak Game.

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  60. HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “some of the friendliness of foreign women toward American men is not simply cultural, but a result of the fact that they are simply culturally different from what the women are used to.”

    Being “American” is not an advantage to picking up foreign women.

    Possibly during the Clinton years, but even then not so much. Now, it is a disadvantage. (by and large).

    Most Americans get completely shut down and goose egged when the travel.

    Being Alpha is the advantage with foreign women, not the novelty factor.

    – MPM

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  61. Or chuck it could be the divorce laws on the back of everyones mind. But yea shit when I was on in american hos on the dick. Just that it is war between the sexes on marriage. Take away their special government powers they go back to being real woman. Just another human being who want love companship and someone to hold. Not a ticking timebomb.

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  62. on August 17, 2009 at 3:15 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Although European women except greeks are less fat on average which could have interesting effects on their sexual marketplace. Likely when they come to the United States they are still selecting mates as if they were in the old marketplace, at least for a while until they adjust. It wouldn’t be mystifying that they’d be willing to put up with more betaness than their American counterparts.

    Let me try to explain that further. Sex is a commodity as much as certain swplers will try to deny it. Women supply and men buy. When most of the women you are competing with are fat/ugly/single mothers, a 6-7’s asking price gets much higher and she won’t deal with any betaness or deviations in her man from the cosmo romcom fantasy, as roissy put it. An Italian woman’s competition is less fat and probably more beautiful on average, so her expectations in a mate are lower.

    You’d have to attribute some of it to this, and not simply a cultural phenomenon in which foreign women are socialized to be more feminine than Americans. The standards of a 6 in America are probably much higher than those of a 6 in Italy because the American is relatively much scarcer because obesity is so much more widespread here.

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  63. on August 17, 2009 at 3:15 pm Low Class Troll

    OMG Roissy you really are not as smart as I thought you were. I SAID: GROWING UP AT HOME, I never had a squeezer and preferred poisonous snakes, hence “Princess”.

    I have a child now. I no longer have a venomous snake: Caught a baby snake at my work and am assuming it’s a Garter snake= current pet.

    Understand??? Are you stupid?

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  64. Guns prenump,

    And take care of each other only answer.

    Pals and be your brothers keeper.

    And some lovin ain’t gonna hurt.

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  65. Hope,

    Regarding Roissy in love:

    It’s easy to love pets. You feed them, you stroke them, they adore you without thought. They whimper when you leave them outside, they perform tricks on command and, after awhile, the mere sight of a rolled-up newspaper does the deed for you.

    [editor: your premises need reworking.]

    Is it an “in love”?

    People have different definitions of love, have different levels of love, different reasons and ways of loving. Being in the breath-catching romantic love is no better or worse than loving a favored pet, and being loved by them.

    However, pets are easy to give up for adoption or abandon on a street corner when they’re no longer quite as cute and malleable.

    And, of course, if you’re running Shady Character Game, you can always have her put to sleep.

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  66. In my experience American’s just aren’t anywhere near as elegant as their foreign counterparts and are completely inept at balancing intelligence with femininity. Why are Americans such fucking morons at this?

    I had the same observation made to me when I was living in Europe in the 90s. I was in Germany, and almost all of my German colleagues (all lawyers) had non-German girlfriends or wives — mostly either Italian, Spanish, French –> *not* northern or northwestern European. This was in the 90s, before Eastern European women began to flood the market.

    I asked them about this, and they said that any man with a braincell would not date a German woman, as they were too mannish and masculine to be interesting, and made for bad mates. I then asked them what they thought of American women and the derision was universal — the most common comment: “I thought we had it bad in Germany, but how can you have a whole country of women like that?” or “How did your women get like that?”, and so on. The consensus was that American women are the pushiest, most in-your-face, aggressive women on the planet, and while often in decent shape, less feminine and more “constructed”. Another common thread was how American women were too “muscular” because they work out a lot, whereas European women tend to work out less and look less muscular — this is probably also true for European men –> diet is different (smaller portions mostly), and people walk a lot more than is usual in the US, both men and women alike, so there is some truth to this as well.

    In all, not a single one of them had much real attraction to American women. It was pretty telling.

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  67. booooo poetry had to take away and I thought she might of had a little romantic side left after her 80 plus partners. Apparently I am wrong sometimes. I admit it on this one.

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  68. low class troll:
    OMG Roissy you really are not as smart as I thought you were. I SAID: GROWING UP AT HOME, I never had a squeezer and preferred poisonous snakes, hence “Princess”.

    I have a child now. I no longer have a venomous snake: Caught a baby snake at my work and am assuming it’s a Garter snake= current pet.

    so when you wrote this:

    Oh my god!!! I definitely don’t let my snakes slither around the house!! Lmao I don’t think I’d be comfortable in assuming someone had trained their snake well enough for me to trust them!

    Either way, I always get venomous snakes because you can take the venom out or a poisonous variety, but you cannot “take the squeeze” out of a Boa Constrictor or similar type.

    you were lying. or you’re lying now. whichever it is, you have been BUSTED as a liar.

    Understand??? Are you stupid?

    sounds like i’m getting under your skin.

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  69. oh goodness, I’m sure this will be tossed aside as either delusion or exception to the rule, but I have worked and traveled extensively abroad and male attention there is as consistent (or ratcheted up) as it is at home.

    Part of it is likely the assumed sluttiness of American women (e.g. Latin America) or “status” of having one on your arm (e.g. China), but not all of it. (at least not any more than here.)

    I’m not buying that American women are universally derided abroad, especially in Europe. [or at least not anymore than they are here in the States.]

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  70. Ah, Wendy Schwartz speaks parseltongue. that explains a lot.

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  71. One of my closest friends is half Brazilian/Italian. After spending time with she and her people, I definitely understand what is being said about the difs between American and some foreign women.

    I sort of admire their attitudes. My friend’s mother, even in her 40s, was charming, fun, and warm to be around at all times.

    Brazilian women are really warm, exciting, sensual, and fun. Beautiful and feminine, yes, but they can also be F’ing crazy and superficial.

    But one thing I noticed is that, from the women I met, they’re deferential (although at times a handful!) to males and are extremely feminine, and they understand the value of staying fit even into their older ages.

    French women, I think, are becoming Americanized to some degree. A lot of your Parisian women actually don’t know how to dress or style themselves.

    And while they don’t appear anymore feminine than some American woman, what they are good at is mixing strong intellect with femininity… whereas a good deal of American women are successful and smart… but lose their femininity in the process. And of course, the women are typically very thin to thin….

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  72. oh goodness, I’m sure this will be tossed aside as either delusion or exception to the rule, but I have worked and traveled extensively abroad and male attention there is as consistent (or ratcheted up) as it is at home.

    Part of it is likely the assumed sluttiness of American women (e.g. Latin America) or “status” of having one on your arm (e.g. China), but not all of it. (at least not any more than here.)

    I’m not buying that American women are universally derided abroad, especially in Europe. [or at least not anymore than they are here in the States.]

    For sex, certainly yes. That’s about conquest of the pushy American woman, really. And yes American women will get hit on a lot in Europe (and American men don’t do too badly either there), but as “mates” … in my experience living in Europe for multiple years in two different decades, not really. The comments were not that American women are physically unattractive (although the muscular/work-out comment was a common enough one, that could just be garden-variety anti-americanism as well), but that their personas made them undesirable as girlfriends and mates.

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  73. French women, I think, are becoming Americanized to some degree. A lot of your Parisian women actually don’t know how to dress or style themselves.

    @ Dreamer –

    I think you’re right about this. When I was first in Paris in 87, it was eye-popping. The women were so incredibly well dressed, many of them, it was just a delight, and they didn’t mind being noticed.

    I’ve noticed on more recent trips there that things have become quite a bit less so. Which is unfortunate. I suppose that still leaves the Southern European countries, particularly Spain, Portugal and Italy, where I think these changes have not taken place (yet).

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  74. but that their personas made them undesirable as girlfriends and mates.

    This is the part where I personally haven’t seen any difference in Europe (specifically western) than here; several of my American gfs are married to Europeans (though some marriages were precipitated by visa issues.)
    I have seen a difference in Asia (don’t know enough about Latin America in terms of tlr), but then again I haven’t seen much interest by the American women there either.

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  75. Shaman? Fallen paladin? Stop playing WoW, k thanks.

    Mandy, this was 1999. WoW wouldn’t have been out for another five years.

    Hope your deciding whether to go back to the dude.

    Gunslinger, no way. I don’t want an asshole. Never did, and am not with one now.

    seeing your lies is enough for now.

    Roissy, you can tell me I’m lying all you want. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.

    [editor: i don’t need to tell you anything. your words speak for themselves. or shall we go back through this blog’s history, pre- and post-ex hubby, and pull up all those juicy comments you left about how game will only work on skanks and how you would never fall for assholes or men who had DV arrest records? keep it up, hope, and i’ll make you an experimental subject just like i did with Wendy Schwartz.]

    Who are you more interested in now, a reasonable, dependeble guy who’s a little boring around the edges or a charismatic romantic soul who talks a lot about backpacking around the world and dances great?

    I’ve been with a sweet and wonderful guy for six months. He never yells at me. He is the most awesome guy I’ve ever met. No exaggeration.

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  76. This is the part where I personally haven’t seen any difference in Europe (specifically western) than here; several of my American gfs are married to Europeans (though some marriages were precipitated by visa issues.)
    I have seen a difference in Asia (don’t know enough about Latin America in terms of tlr), but then again I haven’t seen much interest by the American women there either.

    @al –

    That’s interesting. I guess I have just had very different experiences when I was living in Europe.

    To take another example, I knew one guy, a German lawyer with a US and German law degree, who lived in the US for a while, then in Germany again and then back to the US. He and his buddy took several mate hunting trips to Brazil, and both of them found wives there. I asked him the same questions about German and American women (he had reasonable access to both — he was god looking with some of what was the equivalent of Game at the time) and got pretty similar answers to what I got above. The interesting thing in his case was that he did it specifically to avoid having to seek a wife in the US (he was planning to move back in the next year or so).

    I’ll agree that Asia is bad news for women — I’ve heard American female expatriates describe Asia as “heaven for Western men, and hell for Western women”. I’ll also agree that the antipathy between Western women and Asian men appears to be mutual.

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  77. on August 17, 2009 at 4:01 pm Cannon's Canon

    “He never yells at me.”

    Hope’s man just yells,
    “uhhleeeeeerooooyyyyyyy uhhjennnnnkinnnnnnnns!!!!!”

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  78. Parisians differ from the French across the rest of the country, particularly the south in Provence. I would throw in Corsicans for good measure who don’t even consider themselves French. The French along the Med have more in common with the Spanish, Portuguese (both where I’m from), and Italians than with Parisians.

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  79. al

    “Part of it is likely the assumed sluttiness of American women”

    Almost all the reason Foreign men like American women is due to the easy factor.

    That, and they don’t understand what the hell you are saying.

    – MPM

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  80. @Novaseeker
    Spain is interesting.
    I spent a little time there, in one of the major cities.

    The family dynamic there shocked me. Lots of younger women with children and husbands already. Strong family units, everywhere you turned.

    The women were all thin / in shape / healthy. Some were really pretty, but none struck me as that much better looking than American women.

    I’m biased maybe, but American women are hot, sexy, and fun in a way no other women are. Been abroad enough to see the differences.

    Saw the women in Italy… they didn’t really stand out to me that much, actually. But, I’m probably biased.

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  81. Mandy Xd:
    “So if she has a big butt, it’s because she’s fat? Only an anglo would say that. =x”
    —or anyone with any taste. No one but the desperate liek fat asses.

    “People need to be more aware of how they come across.”
    —-racists.

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  82. Dreamer

    But one thing I noticed is that, from the women I met, they’re deferential (although at times a handful!) to males and are extremely feminine, and they understand the value of staying fit even into their older ages.

    ***

    And while they don’t appear anymore feminine than some American woman, what they are good at is mixing strong intellect with femininity… whereas a good deal of American women are successful and smart… but lose their femininity in the process.

    The phrase “deferential to men” is a good place to start. Hell one can even almost end there. That sums it up nicely.

    Compared to N.American women, the entire world’s women are deferential to men.

    The whole concept that women should be deferential to ANY man, much less most men, is utter anathema to tall American feminists. American women are taught that being aggressive and directly competitive with men is where it’s at and that acting feminine only gets in the way of that. If they’re going to act feminine at all, which is discouraged, they’re told to leave it to entirely private time, and then not even there because you don’t want him calling too many shots in the relationship either, better to lead him. No, only the bedroom they’re taught. Yeah, well that’s too thin a gruel of femininity for me thank you very much.

    It’s anathema to even the mainstream, “post feminism” that’s reflected on American TV.

    American girls are, quite literally, taught in schools and colleges to NOT be deferential to men. If they bring any of that attitude from home to school, most of their teachers will do their best to train it out of them. Any American boys who express an expectation that girls should naturally be deferential to males will be held up for ridicule in school. Or white boys will be in mostly white schools, anyway. Or Asian boys in mixed Asian/white schools.

    It’s actually a good litmus test to pose to American women. “Do you believe that women should be deferential to men generally?” How about to men that women might be interested in?

    If you get the wrong answer, just say you’re not interested in dating feminists, and that that’s entirely too feminist for you. Or you can say after you’ve pumped her, as you’re dumping her. Or anyway, as part of your explanation as to why.

    Consider it a public service to your fellow males. Might get her to think a little.

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  83. G Manifesto:

    “Almost all the reason Foreign men like American women is due to the easy factor.”

    Here’s a classic from The Onion on American women being easy targets for European men:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/34198

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  84. I’m biased maybe, but American women are hot, sexy, and fun in a way no other women are. Been abroad enough to see the differences.

    @ Dreamer —

    Interesting. I certainly don’t see it that way, in general, at all, but it depends on the country, very much.

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  85. @Doug
    I know what you’re saying.

    When I was staying over at my Brazilian friend’s house, one of her mother’s friends was staying with her (she was Brazilian, as well).

    The woman said that she and her husband had gotten in an argument… yet she was the one who left the house. He was still at home.

    Unlike the male being kicked out of his own home…

    Of course the next day he picked her up and I was able to see how they were together. She had gotten her hair freshly styled because she knew he was coming, and she was all refreshing feminine charm and warmth, just happy to see him after he … well… had her leave after a fallout.

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  86. Dreamer–

    I’m biased maybe, but American women are hot, sexy, and fun in a way no other women are. Been abroad enough to see the differences.

    No thank you. My gf’s Italian.

    I far prefer 1st or 2nd gen Euro women to long time American ones by and large. 2nd generation at least have Euro attitude parents and other relatives and maybe go back to visit a lot.

    What American girls are pure and simple is slutty. And obnoxiously feminism suffused. (In the big metro areas, and speaking on average. But the average affects the non average, and pulls the whole mess in one direction. A feminist one.)

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  87. Hmm. Interesting post, Roissy.

    I can personally attest to the difference btw foreign born Women and their American counterparts, and this is true, as Ferdinand has said, just accross the border into Canada. So definitely yes, American female attitudes are such that a Man in the States has got to be on his A-Game for real in dealing w/them.

    Going back to what I was talking about wrt shit tests and how lots of college educated Black Women will use their “smarts” to shit test guys, Brown Sugah was telling me about a girlfriend of hers who actually got off on ballcutting guys w/her “intellect”. Turns out all she was doing was employing tons of logical fallacies-I went to a prestigious uni and you didnt/or attended a lowly state school, therefore, anything I say has more import than you, therefore, you aren’t worthy to get this pussy.

    I bust out laughing and told BS that her girlfriend was commiting all kinds of Ad Hom logical fallacies, actually appealing to authority, and the guys, regardless of where they went to school, simply wasn’t versed in basic Logic training. I told her that if her girlfriend tried that shit on me I would so eviscerate her flimsy logic, rhetorically smashing her head in w/the verbal equivalent of a Keysi hammerfist, that not only would onlookers grimace in pain but she would need psychotherapy for months afterwards.

    An then be all too eager to fellate me.

    As more and more American Women, White and Black, attend the uni and fewer Men of either color do so, its very important for them to be able to handle these fauc “intellectual” shit tests, and forcefully put them to bed.

    As for the matter at hand, as I’ve said before, you always want to assume the sale and cutoff the CB chick by putting your body btw her and your target. If thins are gonna blow up, make sure the CB gets bloodied too-make her literally have to reach over you, or do something else rude and overt, giving you the out to Full Auto on her ass. Being rude, especially for a supposed lady, is a definite no-no, and Women don’t like to be publicly embarassed-meaning her girlfriend, your target. If said target is giving you fever and the CB does a rude move, let CB have it, and turn to your target w/a seriously disapproving look.

    I’ve done this several times. Women hate to be shamed.

    The Obsidian

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  88. Dreamer

    “Some were really pretty, but none struck me as that much better looking than American women.”

    You must be completely out of your mind.

    – MPM

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  89. Guns,

    I do have a romantic side. Your mere comments make me swoon and fantasize about bearing horders of little Gregi-babies, growing old on a farm together.

    Of course, that farm and set up is more like the end chapter of “Sperm Wars” which is possibly the most romantic thing I’ve read all year.

    Roissy,

    I said I’d work on my view of you and how you work, but only seeing your PUA-geared writing (which is a given, since that’s what this blog is about) gives me a very narrow view of you. Maurice speaks well of you, which is the most “outside” view I’ve received thus far, but it isn’t quite enough to change my baseline.

    Not that it matters, really. I’m just a bit of (arguably) female text on a screen.

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  90. One thing about foreign girls is it is often much easier to get them than regular girls, as your foreigness will overcome any bad beta habits.

    I get this phenomenon here in NYC, even with American girls on vacation here. There mere fact of my being froma different place—and, to them, an exotic place—makes it a lot easier. Just last night there was girl in from north dakota who was mesmerized by the city and just in town; it took 2 appletinis to show her what my ceiling looked like.

    I was so good with foreign girls while in school, I felt like it was cheating. I went to undergrad and grad at a large urban university, with lots of foreign exchange girls in town for a semester or a post-grad degree from America. And then I studied abroad for a year undergrad, making me the foreign guy.

    It was like shooting fish in a barrel. I think because betaness will be forgiven or not as keenly analyzed because 1) they might be confused by cultural norms, and attribute your actions to your culture, not betaness; and 2) foreigner=romantic=ignore peccadillos.

    There’s a really bad movie called “Barcelona,” but it has a great explanation. All the guys end up married to foreign women,a nd fight a lot less, because, “well, they’re foreign.” The basic explanation: when the other half does something outrageous or strange that usually would cause a fight, you shrug and chalk it up to cultural differences and get over it.

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  91. I’ll also agree that the antipathy between Western women and Asian men appears to be mutual.

    The attention I got in East Asia was relentless; a large portion of it was assumption of sexual interest (being able to understand the language burst a whole hell of a lot of bubbles) but some felt like it was more than merely p & d interest.
    I’m not sure I’d use the word antipathy for how I perceived western women’s reaction to Asian men, that doesn’t feel quite right, but I don’t know what word I’d use.

    Almost all the reason Foreign men like American women is due to the easy factor.
    That, and they don’t understand what the hell you are saying.

    Uh huh. That is certainly the truth this place seems to foster. What can I say; not my experience.

    Genuine Question: I wonder how much some of the assumptions about foreign women would be backed up by American men living in other countries, close to families and couples, and fluent in that language. How much do these assumptions/beliefs stand up under extended immersion?

    It’s actually a good litmus test to pose to American women. “Do you believe that women should be deferential to men generally?”

    How many men, generally, deserve to be deferred to, whole scale, by most women?

    And this is what I mean about living immersed in other countries; it may not be actual deference so much as packagin that looks more deferential.

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  92. @lurker
    or, they know that they can do their slutty activities out where you are, return home, and no one will be the wiser…

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  93. Could G Manifesto be more of a pretentious try-hard? Do people here actually take him seriously? *blinks*

    [editor: it’s more about being in the spirit of the G. is the G in you?]

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  94. al

    Part of it is likely the assumed sluttiness of American women (e.g. Latin America) or “status” of having one on your arm (e.g. China), but not all of it. (at least not any more than here.)

    I’m not buying that American women are universally derided abroad, especially in Europe. [or at least not anymore than they are here in the States.]

    You can falsify almost any argument by using a world such as “universally”. That’s straw man falsification though.

    American women abroad are liked principally for the sluttiness factor yes, and secondarily perhaps as sexually eager and adventurous. Particularly with Europeans. All girls but especially those inclined to be somewhat slutty to begin with tend to be sluttier when on vacation or in an inherantly transitory situation – a year or two of studying or working abroad before returning home. They figure their Euro reps won’t follow them home in a way they can’t deny or say was ridiculously exaggerated, etc.

    Hardly any country I’m aware of thinks that American women tend to make the best wives or LTR live together women. Few American women can cook or have any interest in doing domestic things. They’re in your face feminist about sharing housework and even infant care and other ridiculous American feminist notions. They think nagging and bitching and disrespecting men at the slightest opportunity and referring to men as dogs and in other routinely disparaging ways is natural for “aware” and “unoppressed” women everywhere.

    Only Scandanavian women might sometimes be as bad, and they look a lot better. They also seem to nag a lot less.

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  95. Dreamer, good point. That plays into it as well.

    Its not one or the other, its a combo.

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  96. al–

    How many men, generally, deserve to be deferred to, whole scale, by most women?

    Typical American feminist bitch response.

    No thank you.

    You won’t do. Some other sucker can have you. Some lickspittle beta who you’ll divorce thieve after awhile.

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  97. The bets line you can hear from a non-nyc girl in town is “I have a boyfriend back home.”

    She’s being coy, and wanting you to give her an excuse to forget him. Its practically an open invitation to her pussy. She’s basically throwing that up as a road block because she can’t stop herself.

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  98. The G is more than a poster; he is a state of mind.

    And the question for women is not “is the G in you?” its “has the G been in you yet?”

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  99. @Chuck:

    What you said about comparing signals that one may get from an American woman vs. those that one would get from, say, a European is dead on accurate. A Serbian chick that I still talk to sometimes gave me a massive amount of IOI’s, my game was sharp/tight that night and she was a little tipsy. I’ve pulled a physical connection (make out, groping, etc.) with girls who didn’t seem half as interested. I go in for the kiss and she backs her head away and looks at me like I just grew another head, sheer confusion.

    At this point I am puzzled, I’ve been gaming this girl for about 30 minutes – made her laugh, she’s playfully hitting me due to cocky/funny game, busting her balls while delivering a shitload of inconspicuous DHV’s – yet she wouldn’t get physical even though she had started to flirt with me long before I went into it. Not to mention the amount of kino, rapport building and sexual tension that was going on.

    A few weeks ago I was hanging out with her at the club (hey, whatever, right? This girl is a solid 8, hanging out with her at a bar or a club, or anywhere for that matter definitely triggers the preselection mechanism in women around me, mainly because my relationship with this girl is based on fooling around, making fun of each other and the comfort we had established (talking about sex, etc.) definitely put women in that mood.

    About 5 minutes after avoiding the kiss, she mentions nonchalantly that she is married. She told me when I asked her flat out about the situation that in Europe, men and women have that kind of relationship ALL THE TIME, yet there is no physical connection. All I can say is damn those European men for putting up with this shit. Not only do they put up with it, I bet they not only welcome it, but encourage it.

    I mean, I first thought: “why are you telling me this now? I just wasted 35 minutes on your ass.” But I can answer my own question, I honestly believe that she didn’t think she was doing anything wrong or out of the ordinary.

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  100. @doug1
    al brings up a good point, though.
    women deferring to men is essential to a harmonious relationship and the female’s happiness (whether or not she wants to accept it)… but deference to all males?
    deference to the wrong guy is dangerous, and can lower a woman’s value.
    would u sincerely recommend a woman ignoring the question of which males to which she defers?

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  101. the question of to which males she defers…

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  102. lurker–

    I was so good with foreign girls while in school, I felt like it was cheating. I went to undergrad and grad at a large urban university, with lots of foreign exchange girls in town for a semester or a post-grad degree from America. And then I studied abroad for a year undergrad, making me the foreign guy.

    It was like shooting fish in a barrel. I think because betaness will be forgiven or not as keenly analyzed because 1) they might be confused by cultural norms, and attribute your actions to your culture, not betaness; and 2) foreigner=romantic=ignore peccadillos.

    There are also positive feedback loops going on.

    For the reasons you explain you started off doing better with foreign girls and came to think that with them it was like shooting fish in a barrel. If you think picking up almost any hot girls from any culture is going to be like fish in a barrel for you then it will be, or will be more more just because that’s the cocky cocksure way you approach them.

    You become devastating because you think you are. Irrational over confidence can become rational.

    Really the next step is to learn some comebacks from bad blockage, or put downs, or just roll and ignore, and you can be on your way to expanding your repetoiry.

    American girls aren’t always so bad for playing with.

    It’s just a terrible place to get married and they’re terrible girls to marry.

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  103. on August 17, 2009 at 4:53 pm Low Class Troll

    Roissy, you didn’t make an experiment out of me at all, you just made yourself look like a 10th grader who’s obsessed with making up stories about girls who don’t like them.

    [editor: i’ve got a venomous snake in my pants. gimme somethin’ to pee on!]

    You’re like the dude in the locker room that tells all these macho stories and thinks his friends think hes “the man”, when in actuality all the other guys think you’re a douche and full of shit and laugh at you behind your back.

    [the projection is strong in this troll.]

    Your kind are very familiar to me,

    [sorry, i don’t have a three page DUI rap sheet.]

    and the only people who pat you on the back for making up lies about female posters are your sorry ass regular readers like Doug who will never have a woman and will be reading you at 70 years old still trying to “game chicks”.

    [you’re just pissed i’m pointing out your lies for public consumption.]

    You’re THAT guy, Roissy.

    [do you gina tingle when a skinhead shows up with a 12 pack of schlitz and a press-on tattoo for your kid?]

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  104. Why am I not in Estonia?

    at least here we get a largely beta pool of gringos and subpar though sluttish gringas, so our net result is positive.
    even more because the beta gringos will mate with subpar locals through their credit card game

    Roosh is as typical of the Average American tourist as Gmanifesto is representative of suburbanite red-state America

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  105. Dreamer–

    deference to the wrong guy is dangerous, and can lower a woman’s value.
    would u sincerely recommend a woman ignoring the question of which males to which she defers?

    I certainly wouldn’t recommend heavy deference to all men or any deference to some. However women don’t hang around with just any men. They pick their circles.

    Dreamer it’s more like a social nicety and form or courtesy, in the way I had in mind. At most it’s a benefit of the doubt. Think of what those Brazilian girls you had in mind do. They don’t defer to the garbage men. Or certainly they don’t in all ways.

    And as well an effort to avoid being directly confrontational or undermining if she can avoid it. But maybe she can’t e.g. at work when a guy isn’t cutting it. That’s fine. There is a real difference though in women that try to not be bitches.

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  106. Low Class Troll – GET BACK TO WORK! Remember that you are literally the LAST PERSON to inspect SCUD missiles before they are shipped to U.S. military units. By wasting time posting on this board you are putting the lives of our soldiers at risk.

    Put your kid’s poisonous pet snake away, kick whatever bitch slapping, DUI collecting loser you’re currently fucking out of the house, and get back to work inspecting those SCUDS! Now damn it!

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  107. Hope, I’ll try to explain what Roissy and a few others are trying to say in Womanian. I understand you’re a bit young and quite feminine, so I think this is more a communication issue. Roissy’s like a salty old sailor explaining to a perfume shop saleslady that a sample smells like bilge water. She’s never been in that part of a ship, but only understands that bilge water is something that doesn’t smell very nice. So she doesn’t know if to take his word for the accuracy of his description or not, and will just feel like the product is being insulted.

    What you consciously desire is not lining up with the kind of man you chose even before you had the experience to have your ideals reduced. Who we choose in our teens is most reflective of our basic nature, and how they were problematic indicates things we need to work on to bridge our conscious desires with our unconscious tendencies.

    I faced this myself when, in my early 20’s I decided something must be wrong with my selection rather than my luck and what I was doing with the guys I selected (not demanding enough in crucial ways) and decided to be a nice person and choose a nice guy to settle down with and marry. It was all good until nice husband #1’s nerd complex kicked in and I had to free him to chase the hoes and ex cheerleaders of his dreams, and nice husband #2 went 100% fetish.

    Then nice boyfriend after nice boyfriend was failing me until finally I got it through my head that I wasn’t built for nice, so I was barking up the wrong trees. I was built for honorable guys, not nice guys. These are the kinds of guys I have as friends. I should have known it was stupid to be trying to pursue romantic relationships with guys I wouldn’t even hang out with, and that I’d have to hide half of my life from anyway.

    These are the kinds of guys I dated in my teens. They rode motorcycles, blew stuff up for fun (safely out in the woods), hunted, did martial arts, would slap a hoe if needed, but loved their mom and have cool dads. I just needed to be cool with that, including being okay with being their warrior princess, maybe in a kind of gilded cage.

    You see where I’m going with this? So long as you’re deceiving yourself about what your basic desires are, you’ll be blind to ways that you’re setting yourself up for a fall.

    You might have chosen well this time, but until you deal with your inner demons, you’re at risk of sabotaging your relationship. Better to confront them before your house falls down on you. You’re going to be the woman of your house someday, and though the man may be the head, the woman is the nervous system.

    So long as I was fighting my own personality and the responsibilities that would be involved with being connected to a guy who had all the traits I needed but in a non harmful way, I was going to be dating the wrong guys…nice, but still wrong for me.

    This is especially important if you come from an abusive family. You don’t want to get blind sided by yourself or by others. When you have kids, all that old crap is going to come out if you haven’t dealt with it on the face.

    As to what lies you may be telling yourself now, I’m not in your head, and haven’t read enough of your posts over time to point out inconsistencies. Though some of the guys here aren’t too deep, the angrier ones who are somewhat coherent are good for their perspective. Read what they’re saying as if it wasn’t you they were saying it to, and try not to go into auto defensive mode.

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  108. @ G

    “Why are Americans such fucking morons at this?”

    Americans by and large a just plain morons.

    No where is it more magnified than when you travel.

    If I ever see Americans when I travel, I avoid them like the bird flu.

    SRSLY.

    It’s not just the women.

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  109. How many men, generally, deserve to be deferred to, whole scale, by most women?

    DOug, she is correct

    Welmer just posted a Jung article from the beginning of the XXth century who basically endorsed what I said in this blog to general hatred

    American women are unmarriageable BECAUSE american men are unmarriageable. there is reverse causality here, but you cannot say that America is divided between angelical men and diabolical females.

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  110. Brad

    About 5 minutes after avoiding the kiss, she mentions nonchalantly that she is married. She told me when I asked her flat out about the situation that in Europe, men and women have that kind of relationship ALL THE TIME, yet there is no physical connection. All I can say is damn those European men for putting up with this shit. Not only do they put up with it, I bet they not only welcome it, but encourage it.

    I mean, I first thought: “why are you telling me this now? I just wasted 35 minutes on your ass.” But I can answer my own question, I honestly believe that she didn’t think she was doing anything wrong or out of the ordinary.

    I don’t think she WAS doing anything wrong or out of the ordinary. You’re just used to much sluttier American women. She might have done all that an not been married. But e.g. had a bf who she was probably going to be faithful to unless she got just knocked our crazy into someone. Or maybe even if she did she still might hold out.

    Anyway, just flirting can be fun and can help you get better at it. Practice. Don’t always after to get the score to have fun.

    As well, she was raising your value all over the joint, as you yourself said. Some of those girls might see you again at that or another spot and remember you has having it going on. Or for that matter, why would a half hour or hour with her be wasted even by the score or number meter if you spent the next hour successfully gaming one of those unattached or weakly attached honeys that saw your value rise w/ Serbian hottie’s playful interest in you?

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  111. gig–

    American women are unmarriageable BECAUSE american men are unmarriageable. there is reverse causality here, but you cannot say that America is divided between angelical men and diabolical females.

    The feminist culture both pussifies far to many American men into being betas, and hardens far to American women into being lousy over entitled, bitching, nagging, difficult wives.

    I’ve long though that Dave from Hawaii’s advice to men in playing long term relationship and marriage game was dead on. I’ve also long though that he’s wrong to suggest it’s all the men or that all American women can be as fully brought back around to sweet as his Philippina American wife apparently has been.

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  112. LILGRL

    It’s not just the women.

    SRSLY

    No it isn’t.

    But it is “just” their feminism, including what it’s done to their sons.

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  113. Obviously, that anon was me.

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  114. @Doug1
    Got it re: deference… you’re right.
    Which is never surprising 😉

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  115. ”””””’Poetry of Flesh
    Guns,

    I do have a romantic side. Your mere comments make me swoon and fantasize about bearing horders of little Gregi-babies, growing old on a farm together.

    Of course, that farm and set up is more like the end chapter of “Sperm Wars” which is possibly the most romantic thing I’ve read all year.”””””””””””

    So now you get what we are saying. That made me physically ill thanks.

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  116. Then american chicks can’t even fucking step up to plate. Except to prove the hypothesis. lol

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  117. If you want American women to change, the men have to take the lead in the change. Don’t expect the reverse to happen.

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  118. on August 17, 2009 at 5:26 pm Almost a Doctor

    All insults aside, just to drive the point home, the message I get from reading this blog is for us women, to be FEMININE, CHARMING, SWEET, regardless of your race.

    It’s sad that American women have to be the target but c’mon, the evidence is there, i.e.

    – what race can mostly be seen in Girls Gone Wild?

    – in bars, how many women are/able to drink massive amount of beers?

    – who’s flashing you at Mardi Gras?

    I’ve a long time reader, and honestly, reading this has helped my relationship.

    I grew up in a household where my mother happily cooked, cleaned, honored my father and made him feel like the studliest man in the world, and laughed at his stupidest jokes and thinks he’s the greatest harmonica player in the world and is a better tennis player than Federer!

    Growing up, I sometimes wondered gosh, why does my Dad get the final say in everything? And can my dad even cook?

    And in return, my dad gave in to my mom’s every wish…vacation here, vacation there. He made my mom laugh, she never had to tell him to do anything twice…and when she did, it was done in a sweet voice. They are in their mid-60’s and still have date night.

    The ladies here will hate me, but this is exactly how I behave, and I llike the result in my relationship. I’m happy and I know my bf is too. He loves his job but cannot wait to come home to me.

    Maybe my man is a beta, but I don’t think so. But even if he is, he wouldn’t know it if from me. To me, he is the be-all-and end-all of men, and I make sure he knows it.

    I’m Filipino, so I’m sure that has something to do with it, but I grew up here and I mostly have American female friends.

    But still, the point remains.

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  119. Novaseeker says, “I’ll agree that Asia is bad news for women — I’ve heard American female expatriates describe Asia as “heaven for Western men, and hell for Western women”. I’ll also agree that the antipathy between Western women and Asian men appears to be mutual.”

    Well, as with all things of this sort, one has to consider the source.

    Israel was a kind of hell for me until I learned the customs. One has to be willing to learn, and understand that they aren’t going to influence a culture very much from the outside.

    Other American female expats from all over, report just about the same thing. Those who try to be American in Asia are going to suffer more because Asia is not America.

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  120. on August 17, 2009 at 5:31 pm poor american woman

    kind of sad though that the majority of american woman suffer for the work of a relatively few feminists and will get worse. Not the woman just the feminist bullshit. Everyone should throw out the tv or at least the cable and maybe just watch movies. When you daughter is like I want to take womans studies tell her to take something usefull like read guns finance section on how to have kids and “career”. What the feminists and bitter hags won’t teach you. You can have it all but not by being a ballbusting feminist bitch.

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  121. @poor american woman
    agreed
    “You can have it all but not by being a ballbusting feminist bitch.”

    nicole
    yeh, living newhere else as an american woman, you can’t do so from the outside. have to integrate in some way, knowing the language helps the most. but in some ways it’s easier for at least beautiful women, there will always be a man wanting to date / take care of you and ease you into things socially.

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  122. Vomit,

    No, that wasn’t me. That was the syphilis. Sorry.

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  123. on August 17, 2009 at 5:39 pm poor american woman

    ””””””””””’gig
    How many men, generally, deserve to be deferred to, whole scale, by most women?

    DOug, she is correct

    Welmer just posted a Jung article from the beginning of the XXth century who basically endorsed what I said in this blog to general hatred

    American women are unmarriageable BECAUSE american men are unmarriageable. there is reverse causality here, but you cannot say that America is divided between angelical men and diabolical females.
    ”””””””””””””’

    That may be true gig but you can say that woman have the backing of the us government to do a lot of dirt. Until that shit changes and playing field is level the shti will always be fucked up.

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  124. Everyone posting here should be neutered, especially the OP

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  125. Gig trying to act like he figured out something. Check the frame. Check the frame.

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  126. @ poor american woman

    “kind of sad though that the majority of american woman suffer for the work of a relatively few feminists and will get worse.”

    It’s not the work of “relatively few feminists” unfortunately.

    How many american women work through their 20’s into their 30’s (you go, grrrl) and then decide “Holy shit. I need to find a dude now to crap out a kid or 2. Biological clock is banging away like church bells” Then they expect some idiot to but that turkey via marriage. Like now the tread is off the tire and the odometer has crossed 100k miles I should pay New MSRP with my assets and marriage for that ’98 Lexus? Blech.

    This is the expectation feminism has instilled.

    Ever-increasing numbers of guys are rejecting this. Sure, if you find a decent-looking one, throw one in her (sheathed), but stay the hell away from them. Let them grow old, and rot like the prunes they are destined to become.

    Focus on the recently graduated chicas instead, who are ’empowered’ and ready to put some (more) mileage on their less dented leaking chassis….

    So yea, it will get worse.

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  127. on August 17, 2009 at 5:48 pm One Tear Falls

    ””””’Maybe my man is a beta, but I don’t think so. But even if he is, he wouldn’t know it if from me. To me, he is the be-all-and end-all of men, and I make sure he knows it.

    I’m Filipino, so I’m sure that has something to do with it, but I grew up here and I mostly have American female friends.

    But still, the point remains.”””””””””””

    That was hot.

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  128. on August 17, 2009 at 5:50 pm One Tear Falls

    ””””””Poetry of Flesh
    Vomit,

    No, that wasn’t me. That was the syphilis. Sorry.”””””””””

    Good girl you have an excuse. Now quick 30 seconds to come up with something romantic. Starting now.
    Or you can take an hour get that imagination reved. Or just copy the philipine chick.

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  129. on August 17, 2009 at 5:52 pm One Tear Falls

    Unless you where serious and sperm wars was hot. I am willing to give you some serious leway here. I sensed sarcasm like a motherfucker though. “have not read sperm wars.”

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  130. Dreamer, if only that were true…

    I know so many beautiful American girls who have gotten so used and abused…

    They don’t have the same kinds of problems I had. In fact, some of them are worse because they’re more in demand for shagging.

    Asian men, including the Muslim and Jewish sort who are very close to their origins, view outsiders as kind of…non human in a way. It’s hard for an American to understand this because the way race is perceived over there is not how it’s perceived here.

    It’s like outsiders who aren’t assimilated to the culture are considered unclean in some fundamental way. If you show that you are a part of the culture, speak the language well enough to get by, and follow the core customs, you’re cool with most people. Some are going to hate on you no matter what, but that level also hate on people of the same general race who are in a different subculture.

    The perception of unclean status though, makes beautiful outsider women more easily exploitable. Asian guys who would go there sexually, feel free to use and sometimes abuse them with less remorse because there’s less accountability. Nobody they know would fault them for it, and some would even pat them on the back. It’s kind of sick, but I guess it works for them.

    So a girl really has to look out for herself, and it helps if they become part of a community that will accept them and warn them of the situation, and provide an accountability shield.

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  131. Nicole–

    An man who like American style (Jewish lead and heavily influenced) feminism is out of his mind.

    Really what he is, most likely, is lacking in experience of things better.

    American girls can make good sluts and fuck buddies though.

    Don’t even CONSIDER marrying an American girl no matter how good your prenup unless you’ve gotten her to have become deeply apologetic and even ashamed of American feminism.

    (I wonder if Israel might be even worse in that regard. However the entire country isn’t Ashkenazi. There are a lot of Moslem lands origin Jews in Israel, and a good lot of Russians, esp. Russian girls. But the Ashkenazim run things pretty much, don’t they?)

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  132. Brad,

    after lots of thinking about this exact same issue, I’ve come to this conclusion: the art of conversation and flirtation – at least in America – is dead. personally, when i have been out to meet women, my goal was a same night lay. conversation and flirtation suffered in the sense that it wasn’t genuine. it was contrived with the goal of sex in mind instead of traditional conversation. building rapport and comfort was sacrificed. as men we need to displace getting the easy lay as our number one goal. we want feminine, dainty, sweet, and innocent women, but when we give up easily when it becomes obvious that they aren’t going to immediately have sex with us, we’re shooting ourselves in the foot for the long run.

    American women have adapted to this; foreign girls haven’t yet. foreigners sit around at coffee shops all day long talking about politics, current events, pop culture. they are much more relaxed in those social settings whereas Americans are more “down to business” and more about cutting to the chase. this has hurt us compared to foreigners.

    Game and rapport building with women needs to be viewed as a longer-term endeavor. Think of it as brand building in the sales world. All women should be viewed as a potential sell. If they aren’t sold immediately, think of it as advertising. if you see them out again, hit em up.

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  133. on August 17, 2009 at 5:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    ok so people don’t answer me because they are scared of me and my shit is just truth. lol

    Funny shit

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  134. Um, um, um… crap.

    Er…

    Flowers and love songs. Yes, that’s it. And maybe kittens.

    Oh, and we can watch “The Heathers” while drinking fine wine and feeding each other little bits of cheese. We’ll have a couple of hot blondes fanning us with palm fronds, peeling grapes, and doing the ping-pong ball trick in the background.

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  135. Well, as with all things of this sort, one has to consider the source.

    The one in question was a woman in her mid 30s who didn’t want to inculturate at all in terms of dating/mating system, just do her 3-5 years for her career and come back to the States.

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  136. on August 17, 2009 at 5:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    respect just like my company didn’t fire me
    life irony whatever
    Thought fired nope
    know why?
    I speak truth
    And yea set you free.

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  137. Poetry

    You should seriously open your legs for One tear falls. If you so open minded as to have had 80 sexual partners, you should be open minded enough to bang a syphilitic beta

    This would be great step towards the “Poetry 100 th partner ” goal

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  138. OTF,

    Wasn’t sarcastic, I actually found “Sperm Wars” hot. Well, not the whole book, obviously. But the last chapter was totally yanking on my special gina-tingle strings.

    Of course, as noted above, I found “The Heathers” incredibly romantic.

    …It has been pointed out that there is something wrong with my ‘gina-senses. But at least I don’t shoot webs at people. Yet.

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  139. on August 17, 2009 at 6:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Good girl

    you made effort

    Would you like to take some classes form my wife.

    I will be having my woman start a school in how to be a woman you man would literally tackle a great white for even if he is beta. he he he

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  140. Almost a Doctor

    I grew up in a household where my mother happily cooked, cleaned, honored my father and made him feel like the studliest man in the world, and laughed at his stupidest jokes and thinks he’s the greatest harmonica player in the world and is a better tennis player than Federer!

    Growing up, I sometimes wondered gosh, why does my Dad get the final say in everything? And can my dad even cook?

    And in return, my dad gave in to my mom’s every wish…vacation here, vacation there. He made my mom laugh, she never had to tell him to do anything twice…and when she did, it was done in a sweet voice. They are in their mid-60’s and still have date night.

    The ladies here will hate me, but this is exactly how I behave, and I llike the result in my relationship. I’m happy and I know my bf is too. He loves his job but cannot wait to come home to me.

    Maybe my man is a beta, but I don’t think so. But even if he is, he wouldn’t know it if from me. To me, he is the be-all-and end-all of men, and I make sure he knows it.

    Welcome! You’re fabulous. Comment more, K?

    What you said is exactly what I mean when I’ve said that while Dave from Hawaii’s advice to guys re: running LTR and marriage game is great, and something to follow, that it isn’t just the feminized / betaized guys that are making American marriages such bitter American bitch affairs.

    It’s the trained up attitudes of American women. Who rather than building up their men’s psyches, are always looking for weaknesses, and points of attack, many of them.

    That goes hand in glove with so many of them having been such sluts before marriage.

    Nobody should marry a slut but higher betas especially shouldn’t.

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  141. on August 17, 2009 at 6:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think some of what she does is teachable. Since yea she has game. When she gives me the look it is on purpose it is just that I don’t care it is on purpose it still works he he he

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  142. Gig,

    If I ever hit that 100th partner mark, will you throw me a party? Streamers, strippers, balloon animals? Strippers that make balloon animals? (Oh, yes, you know what I mean.)

    That would just totally make my day.

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  143. “the incongruence between his body language and the words coming out of his mouth. I sensed a disjunct between the confidence exhibited by his verbal game and the lack of confidence conveyed in his nonverbal subcommunication. (And if I could sense it, then certainly the girls with their honed female intuition could sense it.) His strong tonality, voice projection, and decent conversational skills were sabotaged by jerky whole body movements, “pecking”, and overenthusiastic laughter. I’ve seen this phenomenon so often that I’ve come to the conclusion that how a man says what he says to women is far more important than the substance of what he says. If you have the world’s cleverest opener, or gina tingle-iest routine, it will fail if your body language betrays betaness. If your body language is solid, you can get traction with a simple “Hi”.”

    I wish more of the commenters focused on *this* pertinent information from the post.

    Its so true. Standing erect, hands relaxed at his sides, head slightly back, relaxed expression on his face, slow and easy movements is how YOUR BOSS TALKS TO YOU.

    Your boss’s TONE is informative and authoritative, like he is unconcerned as all get out about picking and choosing the right words, and if he does…………..he doesn’t care.

    These physical cues indicate that the speaker feels he at least has equal status to the person whom is talking to. He is not talking “down” to them, but has deigned to have a conversation with them, and isn’t investing any emotional capital in the interaction.

    You can tell when a dog (its tail ISN’T wagging) might be in a foul mood, and you can tell when a snake is in a defensive position (coiled), you can also tell …………….even if the sound was turned off, when a human being is in a supplicating position. Males in the supplicating mode of physical composure are never going to be nearly as attractive as males in a dominant or at least uncommitted mode of physical composure. 11 minutes and Master Dogen had a fine post a while back on their blog about Don Draper’s physical composure and how he conducted his body.

    Meanwhile, all women have to do is be nice and pretty, no matter how much that pisses them off—-LOL. Estonian ladies indeed : ).

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  144. Chuck,
    100% cosign, brother.

    Beware the quick and easy path, my brothers; for that leads to the dark side.

    I am always mindful of the clock, because for Women, timing is *everything*. Msytery says, that it usually takes between 4 and 10 hours of comfort and rapport building time to get her ready for sex w/you. The average time is seven hours, hence the Seven Hour Rule. I have tested this in the present, and unknowingly did it in the past, and can attest to its efficacy.

    Besides, a good seduction is *never* hurried or rushed. Remember, the anticipation factor is a huge draw for Women, so no need to hurry things up-just make sure you have a well mapped out plan of attack, so to speak. Then you can enjoy the ride, because you already know how its gonna end. And so does she.

    This is the way of Solid Game-taking your Woman through all the steps of seduction, and paying close attention to the clock. Anywhere over seven hours, providing you’ve done things right, is the way to go, and you’ll rarely if ever miss.

    The Obsidian

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  145. right, nicole. i know the thing about muslim men. particularly one nationality. they may seem very polite, caring, and have all that alpha attitude. but they do see american women as sluts, even sub-human, hands down.
    but all would change if you don’t put out with them and are willing to convert to their ways…
    (i was speaking more of european men in terms of dating and sort of care taking.)

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  146. on August 17, 2009 at 6:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Chuck,
    we want feminine, dainty, sweet, and innocent women, but when we give up easily when it becomes obvious that they aren’t going to immediately have sex with us, we’re shooting ourselves in the foot for the long run.””””””’

    All those things do not have to be a factor of how many cocks a woman has had chuck. If they are raised that way they can stay that way.

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  147. @anon- you can blame the estrogen from BC pills found in our drinking water on the betazation of American men if your looking for a chemical reason.

    Do you have picture of muscular toned bottom that isn’t flat?

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  148. Guns,

    Do you really think it’s a good idea to expose me to your wife? Because that could have adverse effects. I tend to cause nausea and diziness, headaches too. The occasional violent impulse, lewd sex acts, cavorting with the “wrong sorts”…

    Your offer is sweet- trying to make me all desirable so men actually like me- but it’s for the best for me to turn you down.

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  149. Doug They’re in your face feminist about sharing housework and even infant care and other ridiculous American feminist notions.

    *shakes finger at doug*

    Buddy, I don’t care how much you argue this issue, you will change a baby pamper before I leave this earth. I will be there to see it and take a photo of the event.

    Doug They think nagging and bitching and disrespecting men at the slightest opportunity and referring to men as dogs and in other routinely disparaging ways is natural for “aware” and “unoppressed” women everywhere.

    *hands doug a whiskey and tonic*
    Doug, you are on fire. Did you hear a woman on the subway talking about the above to her girlfriends? Or was it some chic on a cell phone? Because this reads as if you’re recalling from recent memory.

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  150. @obs
    ahhh… the best seduction is the slow build-up.
    and the one that has the most lasting effect.

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  151. LOL——Alpha of the Month, Eric Dane.

    http://www.starmagazine.com/sex_tape_rebecca_gayheart_eric_dane/news/15958

    Eric Dane, married to hot former model Rebecca Gayheart (did she used to be the pretty face of Clairol or whatever) is in a sex tape in a threesome WITH his wife Gayheart and a former Miss Teen USA

    How in the hell can a guy talk his model-spokesface wife like Gayheart into a threesome with a barely legal Miss Teen USA without having complete reign over her within the bounds of the relationship………………………
    She probably would put his food in his mouth for him

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  152. O:

    i had forgotten mystery’s rule. good point. too many men spend 15 minutes on a woman expecting a binary outcome – she rejects you or she fucks you. no in between in many men’s eyes. it’s the development of that middle ground that is the key for most. there are some guys that are able to swoop within 5 minutes on a consistent basis, but we can’t all live up to that standard.

    also, women can sense a man’s intentions. they are always aware that we just want to get in their pants, thus the rise of the Fag Hag phenomenon.

    many years of this sub-par social interaction has made American men and women what they are today. i just gotta say it falls on the shoulders of the men as much as the women.

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  153. Novaseeker–

    I then asked them what they thought of American women and the derision was universal — the most common comment: “I thought we had it bad in Germany, but how can you have a whole country of women like that?” or “How did your women get like that?”, and so on. The consensus was that American women are the pushiest, most in-your-face, aggressive women on the planet,

    Virtually everyone in the world thinks this, to a greater or lesser degree. They’re right also.

    It’s because of one thing and one thing alone, although that one thing has many faces and somewhat different flavors. American feminism. American stridently Jewish lead feminism I’ll add, despite it pissing off quite a few people and doing me no good whatsoever.

    This feminism has had influence around the world, particularly elsewhere in the Anglosphere, but is nowhere more strident not insistent nor so lacking in balance with other things than at it’s source, NYC, DC and LA, and our elite universities. Those are actually the worst places.

    and while often in decent shape, less feminine and more “constructed”. Another common thread was how American women were too “muscular” because they work out a lot

    Here I’ll disagree with him. The athletic toned muscle look, where it exists, is usually very attractive to me. It’s only quite rarely really overdone.

    I’ll take the far lower prevalence of fatties together with fewer girls working out with weights but far more doing a lot of walking in continental Europe any ole day though.

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  154. Poetry!!

    I would give myself a party and invite you in. I would open you by saying that 100 is the new virginity.

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  155. on August 17, 2009 at 6:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well poetry I think it would be funny for her. I could expose her to anything and she would be fine. But yea I was speaking to others about normal woman not my woman who is like umm can’t compare her to anything. She is a former hooker though. I won her by fucking the best out of all the guys he he he
    I made her cum after about 2 weeks constant fucking for hours at least 3 times a day.
    So yea she posed a challenge. Then once it started flowing that was game over. I’d be getting high fives and shit for her not fucking anyone else. Anyway I owned that ass. But yea still feminine still woman. Still deinty still modest. What I say Asian woman own. If i get way they all go to heaven.

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  156. on August 17, 2009 at 6:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    She took a massssiiiiivveeee pay cut to be with me.

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  157. Doug1, when I want your opinion, beta boy, I’ll give it to you.

    Go back to white knighting for your internet queens, little boy.

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  158. Poetry–

    I’d like to ask you a serious question or two. As you know I’ve read around your blog some. I have a good idea of who you are or anyway who you present yourself there to be.

    I’ve had sex with lots of girls quite a bit like you, and some considerably wilder than you, or anyway what you relate. Had a lot of fun. Have had some affectionate relationships of the fuck buddy sort with somewhat similar girls as well, though in all the details people are always different.

    I gather from your own blog though that you’ve never fallen deeply in love, and certainly that it’s never lasted too long – though perhaps some guys have fallen quite hard for you.

    Do you think you ever can or will? Especially now with all your experiences with so many different men? Even leaving out your wild and abandoned college years (which can’t really be left out of course)?

    Do you think that even an open marriage with some kind of rules would actually stick for/with you?

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  159. Ferdinand B

    An influx of slim, svelte, and sweet women from other countries reduces the value of the average Ameribitch to zero, so its not surprising that they seek to slap bogus market controls on the flow of vaj.

    That will last until she starts eating American food. I give her 6 months on a typical American diet, then watch that chic blow up.

    R

    No one else commented on the last paragraph. “An American woman I’m seeing treats me well-alias clio, has a big heart-chic noir, and fucks like a champ -no one but Wendy Schwartz

    Sounds like you combined three women.

    DF

    In my experience American’s just aren’t anywhere near as elegant as their foreign counterparts and are completely inept at balancing intelligence with femininity. Why are Americans such fucking morons at this?

    As my German friends are found of saying… America is a new country, we don’t have a culture yet. Give it time my good friend . In the meantime, kindly protest the snack food companies for all the crap they put into our foods.

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  160. lurker, do you want your e-butt kicked???

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  161. z–

    How in the hell can a guy talk his model-spokesface wife like Gayheart into a threesome with a barely legal Miss Teen USA without having complete reign over her within the bounds of the relationship………………………
    She probably would put his food in his mouth for him

    Because she’s smart confidant woman.

    She doesn’t lose anything from it AT ALL. It makes her feel edgie and so much fun to her husband. It makes him adore her all the more.

    She might also have a touch of bi to her. Anyway done with that flavor to it or the hint that that could be there too makes it fashionable and not at all a diss for her.

    So much of this stuff for women is all about what others will think.

    As well women naturally think that men will think like them. But we don’t, most of us, usually. That is most guys with any kind of alpha sex legs under them don’t.

    Women tend to feel that there’s a big danger that just sex with a younger pretty woman will cause her man to start to have love feelings for that younger number. Men as the conquest, dominating, sex (usually) don’t feel that way necessarily about sex with another woman at all. Especially when their wife is oking it and is event here and part of it. In fact it’s likely to make us have renewed love and affection for so generous and loving a wife. Or woman we’re living with. Really.

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  162. on August 17, 2009 at 6:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    So now you can see where I would get the seemingly irrational overconfidense from. Because if I can get her happy as fuck and stay dedicated for 4 and half years and serve me as her man. Then yea can probably get any woman.

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  163. chic noir

    lurker, do you want your e-butt kicked???

    He’s recently had it kicked by me over his absurd and tiresome endless ragging of the rather adorable Mandy XD.

    Solely because she’s also Cuban (or partly) and has committed the unpardonable sin for him of not being quite as right wing as he is. (gasp)

    So he’s gotten all pissy prissy towards me.

    Hear lurker roar! (*chuckle*)

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  164. I have a hard time connecting with most foreign born people. Maybe it’s the mangled and hard to understand English and/or the cultural gap (probably the latter), but I just don’t get the attraction to foreign born women.

    I had a similar experience, mostly with Scandinavians. Typically, they’re very nice and sweet, but passive too. Part of it is that the ones who aren’t interested don’t outright reject you. American girls make their intentions clear. Northern European girls seem bland, Americans you can get a rise out of them, and create some sexual tension.

    It’s partly a language barrier – subtle flirtatious humor is hard to appreciate without fluency.

    British/Australians are actually easier to chat up than Americans, esp. if you have a dry, witty sense of humor.

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  165. on August 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    End of two weeks she chose not to fuck anyone else I didn’t really give a fuck at time. She came up with it. Why I say woman have to make a choice not to fuck dudes. It really is up to them. They can always get someone on side.

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  166. chic noir

    Buddy, I don’t care how much you argue this issue, you will change a baby pamper before I leave this earth. I will be there to see it and take a photo of the event.

    I wouldn’t be absolutist about it chic. Sure I’d do it from time to time, to help out. But that’s what it would be. It’s her JOB not mine. It would be a BIG FAVOR to her to help her out. It would not be my duty to do it sometimes ever. Period. End of story.

    I’m not just not really a feminist chic. I’m positively anti feminism and full throated about it. However, I also love professionally educated and working girls. For whom family and home life comes first. But with a balance.

    She’d have a hard enough time getting me to have kids at all. If she thinks she can do it with any notion that infant care isn’t a woman’s job, she can forget it.

    (Of course we’d also hire help though Chic. But if we couldn’t afford to, that wouldn’t change things.)

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  167. on August 17, 2009 at 6:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Life too funny seriously though

    What else is going to be ironic?

    I mean wtf is next?

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  168. British women make you want to be gay

    Or abandon any interation with females and exile yourself with your buddies at the pubs

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  169. Gig,

    If you opened me with that line, ah, you’d totally win. I’m not sure what you’d win, but you’d win. Can we get custom party hats that say something along those lines?

    Guns,

    Are you serious about the hooker bit? Truly? If so, I think you’ve just won more than Gig. Fantastic. Yes, I would go to your wife’s school and learn how to be feminine and trade sex tips. In whispers. While giggling. Because that’s what feminine women do, right?

    Doug1,

    I have fallen in love incredibly hard, once. Beyond anything I had ever imagined myself capable of. That lasted a bit over two years. And, yes, some guys have fallen quite hard for me.

    Do I think I ever will again? Not sure. I’d like to, one day. Not anytime soon, maybe in a couple of years. All my experiences with different men… it hasn’t made me hard or cynical, though you may, understandably, doubt that. If you met me in life, you’d be quite surprised at how I present myself. I doubt I come off as anything you have imagined.

    I don’t fall in love with sex partners. I don’t have expectations of them. I enjoy sex, so I engage in it when I find someone desirable. Sex has what value the individual places on it, and I place none aside from pleasure. My partner count, whether it was 15 or 500, would not impact my ability to love a man of my choosing.

    [editor: my experience with very slutty women such as yourself and their spotty relationship histories and cultivated cynical hard-heartedness tells me that for most women it would have an impact. and not in a good way.]

    As for an open marriage… I’m not polyamorous. I swing with my partners, should the both of us feel inclined. I find cheating vile, and do not even think of it when I’m in a closed relationship. If I had a sexually open one, that did turn into marriage, as long as my partner and I were safe and had healthy respect and communication, I do not see an issue.

    You also might want to take into account that I am extremely submissive. Not just sexually, but also socially deferring to my partner. When I get into a relationship, I start submitting, start focusing on pleasing, on serving. I have to be very careful when I choose to take a serious partner, because I will start to give up myself if I don’t pay attention. That’s the main reason I try to avoid relationships, actually.

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  170. @doug1
    don’t you want to pass on those great values of yours to a son one day?

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  171. your words speak for themselves. or shall we go back through this blog’s history, pre- and post-ex hubby, and pull up all those juicy comments you left about how game will only work on skanks and how you would never fall for assholes or men who had DV arrest records?

    I already knew I wasn’t in love with him when I was 17. Among the first few things I wrote on your blog was, “I don’t get hot for him whatsoever, even when he is aloof, and maybe especially when he ignores me. He can’t even make me jealous by talking about other women. I married him for stability, not for love.”

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/dodged-the-same-bullet-twice/

    You remember that?

    Truth be told, I was not any kind of “quality woman” that any sane man would have wanted to be with. Most men would have been disgusted by how weak, pathetic and insecure I was. I was really, really messed up. I felt that I was really ugly and worthless.

    My ex told me that every guy I’ll ever meet will reject me. Only he would never reject me. He told me he would stay with me even though all the other guys would betray me. So I stayed though I was unhappy. I didn’t know any better. I thought, well, stability is preferable than being alone. I was terrified of being alone.

    I don’t know what you’d call it. Maybe you’ll call what my ex did game. It certainly worked like a charm on me until I woke up and stopped being so damned afraid of being single. Your stories of the cat lady didn’t help either. 😛

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  172. Anyway how about some italian women turned american?

    Those guido girls are hot. They’re 10s to me. 🙂

    Of course, I await the men of this blog to savage me for my preferences in women. I’ll just take solace in the youtube video…

    I don’t think Roissy does ‘love’.

    No alpha is capable of love.

    [editor: did you divine this by magic eight ball?]

    they said that any man with a braincell would not date a German woman, as they were too mannish and masculine to be interesting

    IIRC, aren’t Germans the largest ethnic group in the United States? Combined with the women of Northern/Northwestern European ethnic roots in the United States, one could argue that the problem of American women is really an extension of a problem with European women.

    American women are taught that being aggressive and directly competitive with men is where it’s at and that acting feminine only gets in the way of that.

    Well, it makes sense given that it’s really the only way to be feared and build up a career and the independence that comes increasing financial returns from said career. Money and a career is far more rewarding than having to fuck a beta male in order to buy a house.

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  173. Here I’ll disagree with him. The athletic toned muscle look, where it exists, is usually very attractive to me. It’s only quite rarely really overdone.

    I’ll take the far lower prevalence of fatties together with fewer girls working out with weights but far more doing a lot of walking in continental Europe any ole day though.

    @ Doug1 —

    Yeah the sense was not that it was “unattractive” as much as it was “it seems as if they are trying too hard, our girls are thinner than yours and don’t go to the gym” and so on. Of course that’s a commentary about our respective cultures as well. I never heard any of my European colleagues say that American women (the nicer looking ones who tend to be the younglings with backbacks and younger single expatriate professional women) were not physically attractive — not at all. It was more along the lines of over-constructed and, above all else, pushy/in-your-face and so on.

    I will say that Europe is not all created equal, either. The UK (Europe?) is much like elsewhere in the anglosphere in terms of women. And Germany certainly was no great shakes compared to, say, France, Italy or Spain. In fact, I’d say Germany is probably the weakest in Continental Europe, and perhaps that was why most of my colleagues did not marry German women.

    Scandinavia is excellent, too. I remember a French Lebanese colleague of mine commenting that he had to go to Denmark for a business assignment and was bummed out about it at first. He told me: “You know, [nova], to me I thought it was like going to your Nebraska.” Anyway he ended up getting laid a LOT in the few months he was there (Scandinavian women are notoriously both sexually aggressive and relatively easy, even by European standards) and came back raving about the women there. But he also couldn’t stand the women in Germany.

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  174. @DA
    usually your opinions seem extreme to me, but at least you understand that for a woman to be financially successful, she has to, well, be competitive. sometimes in a way that’s not feminine.

    wish more guys would key into that.

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  175. on August 17, 2009 at 7:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea roissy you do see it with american hos. Not same. Gonna be rare I would think for a woman not to be irrevocably damaged from it mentally. Not saying people should prob take my path but it has worked out so far.

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  176. I am struck by the negative attitude that some men on the blog have towards women they meet casually who just want to chat and have a drink, but put off requests for sex that night. Not all are looking for a one night stand all the time.

    It reminds me of Muslim men who think that a woman who shows her hair uncovered is a whore.

    There are women who show their hair who are not whores, and there are women who just want a chance to chat in a club over drinks.

    So, guys, if a girl says no to a sexual advance, it may just be because she didn’t go out for sex that night. Just a drink. And, you know, if the woman is intelligent and educated (In a meaningful sense, not some B.S area like woman studies.), or has an interesting job, you might actually enjoy a conversation with her. She doesn’t even have to be pretty to be a good conversationalist.

    Now, let me hasten to add that most women don’t fit the description in the foregoing paragraph (Most are witless narcists.) But, keep an open mind. And, if you find one like this, enjoy! And, who knows, she might screw by the third date.

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  177. It was mentioned there that the American bitch might have been receptive to an Italian guy if the situation were reversed because women are more open to exotic guys.

    I knew this instinctually when I swooped in my native Eastern Europe and in the US.

    When visiting Poland in theh late 90s or early 2000s, I’d assume the American persona: daddy-cool from the USA, hometown boy done good in the Land of Opportunity, “the things I saw saw and did while in the Army… (pained look) those innocent little Iraqi children. How’s the sex on the beach?” Or this one: “Oh, yeah, I saw Pearl Jam rocking in Seattle before they got famous… Eddie Vedder is actually a very nice guy.” The possibilities were endless.

    Likewise, here were the personae at my disposal when I was on my game and swooping American girls:

    The connected Slavic thug; for SWPL chicks I “was persecuted under Communism as a dissident” (heh, if being bitched at by apparatchik commie schoolteachers counts as persecution, someone better call Amnesty International). Count Dracula, that fodder for Victorian ladies’ erotic fantasies, was also eastern european.

    Or, here is someting I could have said to a US broad: “Meester Pooteen, my uncle taugh him all the field techniques. Another appletini?” Damn, I thought of this too late.

    In 1995 I did actually once make out with an American girl in a Louisville club when I, somewhat drunkenly, told her and her beta male buddies that I am a Russian journalist doing a major story on nighlife in Amereeka. “Your magazeene, de Rolling Stone, is a co-sponsor.”

    She was starstruck. I said, charmingly giving her a once-over, that “Amereekan girls… dey veree styleesh.” My (American) buddies all shit a brick when they saw me kissing her.

    Yakoff Smirnoff called me the next day. He wanted his accent back.

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  178. on August 17, 2009 at 7:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’Dreamer
    @DA
    usually your opinions seem extreme to me, but at least you understand that for a woman to be financially successful, she has to, well, be competitive. sometimes in a way that’s not feminine.

    wish more guys would key into that.””””””””””

    Falsehood alert,

    Not true,

    Wrong

    How many competive bitches are there?

    How many female millionaire’s are there?

    Question answered.

    Or How many competitive woman are financially free?

    Course by compeditive I mean with men.

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  179. Women ARE more open to exotic guys. When packaged right.

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  180. on August 17, 2009 at 7:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Majority of bitch compeditive american woman and we are talking woman making over 500k a year where not financially independant.

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  181. on August 17, 2009 at 7:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    ie when they can’t work anymore they die alone with their cats and if they had any kids they sell off all the crap and throw away all the precious papers and shit.

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  182. at least you understand that for a woman to be financially successful, she has to, well, be competitive. sometimes in a way that’s not feminine.

    wish more guys would key into that.

    @ Dreamer —

    I don’t think that’s misunderstood at all. Indeed, it’s seen as the root cause of the issue. I very much agree that women need to be unfeminine, aggressive and competitive to achieve their goals today. But that runs square into unattractiveness to many/most men precisely because it is unfeminine. In addition, I have personally seen that often this competitive unfemininity bleeds into the rest of who she is, and is not JUST at the office — everywhere except behind the bedroom door, and again that just isn’t terribly attractive to a lot of guys.

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  183. “[editor: my experience with very slutty women such as yourself and their spotty relationship histories and cultivated cynical hard-heartedness tells me that for most women it would have an impact. and not in a good way.]”

    It does have an impact. Everything has an impact, and damage can be done whether or not one engages in sexual activity. But we choose how to respond to those things that impact us.

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  184. on August 17, 2009 at 7:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ok just don’t laugh when your husband missing the gold ball he he he

    Although she created a memory when I got to spank that ass in front of everyone.

    Yea she got game.

    What can ya do.

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  185. on August 17, 2009 at 7:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Girl game is looking at your man in pictures or doing the full wrap around head kiss in pic hotness. fuck yea going home for more than 2 weeks or 21 days he he he

    Well she said she wanted me home the test begins in 5 days.
    Was she bullshitting on not caring about money.
    Was she serious about me being able to just chill the fuck out.
    Will she still love me after a year or so of this.
    Will I be able to be a lazy fuck for a year.
    Think may get into shape.

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  186. Dreamer–

    don’t you want to pass on those great values of yours to a son one day?

    You too hunh?

    You seem to be getting all mushy on me, especially lately Dreamer.

    I’ve been getting the subtle, very subtle, but very there vibe that you’re really hot. As in really and not self deluded.

    Are you?

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  187. on August 17, 2009 at 7:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or ok Dreamer please define success?

    Prob people have different definitions.

    I do not define success as making 500k in a year then having a problem not being able to work and then being afraid about not having money to pay bills. Hence I am slightly afraid but I could still live for 5 years or so if I chose to without doing shit. One chick making 500 per year stopped working for a few months and was freaking out about money.

    So prob need to define success.

    Is success working a job you hate till you die?
    Is success being fullfilled in a career but not a family?
    Is success have to choose between “career and family?
    Is success loving what you do for job but having nothing else?

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  188. on August 17, 2009 at 7:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Guns,

    Are you serious about the hooker bit? Truly? If so, I think you’ve just won more than Gig. Fantastic. Yes, I would go to your wife’s school and learn how to be feminine and trade sex tips. In whispers. While giggling. Because that’s what feminine women do, right?”””””””’

    They talk however they want they don’t do it in front of me he he he

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  189. Check out the Whore of Lahore:

    http://deadamericandream.blogspot.com/2009/08/48-whore-of-lahore.html

    And everyone thinks Asian women are sweet and submissive?

    Dayum! Whoever wrote this piece is HARSH!!!

    I’ll stick with my American wifey. At least she’s all about equality rather than domination.

    I think those Asian women are time bombs ready to explode.

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  190. on August 17, 2009 at 7:48 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Welcome! You’re fabulous. Comment more, K?”

    Holy shit, Doug’s a fucking faggot.

    I suspected as much earlier this month. More accurately, I supposed that Doug’s masculine identity has been hijacked by a feministic conglomerate similar to the one that posts under the Wendy Schwartz handle. Mind-boggling, I know.

    The purpose of this fag-hag transformation is to lull those attentive but under-opinionated readers into a harmonious sense of existence with the female pedestal. Those who believe strongly enough in the MGTOW school of thought will not be swayed, but they are not the target of doug’s kidnappers. Rather, the Doug1 conspirators target the men who are here for direction, who do not yet subscribe to all of roissy’s posts, yet sense value in many of them. Such undecided men will see the doug character as ultimately a successful graduate of “swallowing the red pill”, yet observe him braying in hopelessly beta fashion at any and every female character without an overt agenda. This behavior shows endorsement of the sexual cacotopia that benefits women in Western society and produces the attitudes of the American girl in today’s story. Doug’s accomplished, previously-macho character is a perfect sheep in wolf’s clothing, much like Entourage serves as a how-to-treat-women guide for young men.

    Wendy Schwartz, on the other hand, is a caricature of the independent female. She is not here to dissuade any of the regular commenters, who know better, but rather to validate any lurking females that wander through the comments section searching for unpleasant truths. Her ridiculous life story frequently has many holes because the panel of feminists that posts under her name have a theme they must stick to, but no obligation to cross-reference their tangents when they embellish the LR backstory. Why the sloppiness? LR and her empathizers answer to only an emotional congress, so bull-headed perseverance and a shaming tone are sufficient explanation for her many inconsistencies.

    I suspect doug’s panel is much smaller than LR’s, and that they keep a lawyer “on retainer,” if you will, to add authentic language when necessary. In my opinion, he now represents the proponents of roissy’s “Your Gay Doom” post. He is the gay arm candy of flawed/expired women.

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  191. Poetry–

    If I had a sexually open one, that did turn into marriage, as long as my partner and I were safe and had healthy respect and communication, I do not see an issue.

    You also might want to take into account that I am extremely submissive. Not just sexually, but also socially deferring to my partner. When I get into a relationship, I start submitting, start focusing on pleasing, on serving. I have to be very careful when I choose to take a serious partner, because I will start to give up myself if I don’t pay attention. That’s the main reason I try to avoid relationships, actually.

    Poetry I do have an open mind about you; I do feel somewhat drawn to you; and I like you. I just do.

    Somehow I tend to believe you haven’t become that hardened. Or maybe have undone some of your college years damage which did seem to deaden you.

    Somehow your submissive nature, which of course I knew about you and is principally what initially intrigued me about you (intelligent but deeply submissive girls just kind of drive me nuts), or the extent of it, does change things.

    I’d have a hard time believing that you could ever be long term monogamous. But a lot less trouble believing that an open relationship in which you were nonetheless deeply emotionally loyal, could work. Roissy would never believe that but then I’m not Roissy.

    I for one would require you to prove things to me. On the loyalty front. Big things.

    All in all I probably wouldn’t ever want to take the chance. However you do intrigue me.

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  192. Cannon’s Canon–

    Holy shit, Doug’s a fucking faggot.

    I suspected as much earlier this month. More accurately, I supposed that Doug’s masculine identity has been hijacked by a feministic conglomerate similar to the one that posts under the Wendy Schwartz handle. Mind-boggling, I know.

    The purpose of this fag-hag transformation is to lull those attentive but under-opinionated readers into a harmonious sense of existence with the female pedestal.

    ***

    Doug’s accomplished, previously-macho character is a perfect sheep in wolf’s clothing, much like Entourage serves as a how-to-treat-women guide for young men.

    I do seem to loom large in your psychic universe Cannon.

    I don’t worry a whole lot that using a word like “fabulous” will make me seem gay Cannon.

    It’s crazy to not make distinctions between girls Cannon. Some ARE great. Even some American ones. Some are awful. No girl deserves a pedestal. She especially doesn’t merely for being a girl.

    But I understand the impetus for the young Turk to attack the “too comfortable” older lion. It’s rather age old, isn’t it?

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  193. CC: Yep, he does love women.
    Which is a crime Against…
    … Game?

    If you want some true misogynists (as in: actually hates women), please look up DA/tokyo/Arpagus/Lucy/Sodini’s Ghost and you lot can have a fun female-free drink together.

    Dear third person audience who is suffering due to the trauma of saying something positive in contrast to his comments like ‘feminist bitch why shouldn’t a man have the right to beat you up?’:
    Please learn Game and rediscover your masculinity. Learn the difference between indiscriminately loving women and being generous whenever You Approve.
    [I am sorry you weren’t accounted for, audience. One musn’t discriminate.]

    As evidenced by LR, giving your average modern woman the stick seems to make her want to do it more. Unique beings, women.

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  194. Bhetti

    My lioness.

    Yuum.

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  195. @doug
    cool. glad i dont come off as unattractive or something. if i were less old-fashioned / technology illiterate, i would probably have a nifty little site and some pics for you to determine for yourself.

    best details i can give – ive modeled but dont like the spotlight / other aspects of it, have posted on hot or not a couple times (yeh, narcissistic, i know) with final average ratings of 8.4 to about 8.9 (i forget sometimes), rate a “nascent alpha” on roissy’s test, consistently get asked if im foreign due to my facial structure and hair. would tell you the countries people guess but i dont want to give away 2 much.

    but i want to be respected for my ideas and thoughts, hence not showing pics.

    have gone/am going through a top education and i know that looks can distract from success, so try to downplay it.

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  196. chic, lol. You have all the power of a bic pen without ink. go stuff a tampon in your twat and call it a night.

    Oh, and just for you: the black panthers are a racial hate group.

    Doug the pussy:

    “He’s recently had it kicked by me over his absurd and tiresome endless ragging of the rather adorable Mandy XD.”
    —a beta white knight shilling for a faty skanky online whore? No way!

    “Solely because she’s also Cuban (or partly)”
    —Nope. wrong again, pussy boy!

    “and has committed the unpardonable sin for him of not caring about victims of crimes and believing everyone who didn’t vote for Nobama is a racist.”
    —FTFY bitch.

    “So he’s gotten all pissy prissy towards me.”
    —-Doug betas out, licks the feet of online whores, and attacks me, but its me getting prissy with him.

    Me thinks the beta doth protest too much.

    Cannon’s cannon, Doug1 likes it up the ass. give it to him.

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  197. @gunslinger
    i couldn’t even begin to define my idea of success. it’s vague at my young age.

    but i do equate it with reaching a high position of power, which includes competing with the most successful males in the nation to do so.

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  198. “It does have an impact. Everything has an impact, and damage can be done whether or not one engages in sexual activity. But we choose how to respond to those things that impact us.”
    —lol. more meaningless female psychobabble.

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  199. Bhetti,

    Don’t you have infidels to kill?

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  200. lurker
    chic, lol. You have all the power of a bic pen without ink. go stuff a tampon in your twat and call it a night.

    wack just like you do while looking at a megan fox poster.

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  201. CC:

    i agree, doug is fucking annoying. why do that shit here?

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  202. @doug- with all this yumm stuff you’ve posted today, I take it you like to eat *wink wink*.

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  203. Chuck, Doug’s a beta white knight, but too afraid to actually attack like a typical white night (“you guys are so wrong!”), so he slinks and snipes and hides his insults, occasionally lashing out.

    I’ll bet he’s taking one of the girl’s pictures off their websites and uses it as his desktop image.

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  204. heh heh chic noir

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  205. and chic disgusts us even further.

    But would it surprise you if doug were one of those guys who insists, “No, Honey, I want to go down on you, and I don’t want anything in return!”

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  206. @deamer- lol we do all of that posting about food but very little about eating.

    Okay boys lets have a yes or no for all of those who eat.

    @doug- don’t let these guys talk you out of your smooth operator game, I like it 🙂 I would say some of them are jealous.

    @lurker-what’s the difference, you take pictures of random women on the street and use them as your desk top.

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  207. guys who get a lot of hate in these parts:

    MU/Obsidian

    Epoxy

    Doug

    Can anyone explain why that is so??? I know the reason… jealousy plain and simple.

    @chuck- whatever you do, don’t team up with lurker. trust me, you’ll regreat it as surly he did that free ho who left him itching for weeks.

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  208. lurker

    But would it surprise you if doug were one of those guys who insists, “No, Honey, I want to go down on you, and I don’t want anything in return!”

    no, that would make him a king among kings. it would also explain the female worship. ever have an betta buddy who can’t seem to beat the females off… well now you now his trick. what you won’t do, another man will do.

    now I hope you didn’t go south on that ho you went raw dogging with???

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  209. on August 17, 2009 at 8:57 pm Cannon's Canon

    the doug character has jumped the shark, exhibit a:

    – chic noir has taken up camp with him

    if i posted that the sky was blue and chic noir agreed with me, i would first get my eyes checked to see if the rods and cones were processing light refractions properly. barring complications, i would then study as much nominalist philosophy as i could get my mitts on to determine if “blue” was an absolute concept.

    if, after all this, i still believed i was in accord with a chic noir viewpoint, i would make a five year long pilgrimage to the himalayas to meditate on the empiric works of aristotle.

    for the record, i will always prefer a lurker rant to any comment that uses “yuum.”

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  210. Cannon’s Canon, lol.

    Chicy:
    “trust me, you’ll regreat it as surly he did that free ho who left him itching for weeks.”
    —speaking of which, how is your mom?

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  211. ” ever have an betta buddy who can’t seem to beat the females off…”
    –never happens, ho. keep dreaming.

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  212. i agree, doug is fucking annoying. why do that shit here?

    I think Canon enjoys needling Doug. I hope Doug doesn’t take it too personally.

    FWIW, I always end up with a smile on my face after reading one of Canon’s half-insane missives. Similar wavelength.

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  213. Caty Canon
    the doug character has jumped the shark, exhibit a:

    – chic noir has taken up camp with him

    not really, I just don’t like to see people jumped on unfairly. I did my own bit of disagreeing with him today but not because you guys have.

    caty canon- i would make a five year long pilgrimage to the himalayas to meditate.

    you wouldn’t last 5 days without your gangsta rap.

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  214. Bhetti accused me of being a misogynist, “as in: actually hates women.” That is wrong. I just really, really hate feminists. I am radicalized enough to accept some collateral damage to women in the war against feminism, but I love and need women, so there is no way I can be a misogynist. The closest thing to a misogynist here is probably DA, who doesn’t even need women.

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  215. “not really, I just don’t like to see people jumped on unfairly. I did my own bit of disagreeing with him today but not because you guys have.”

    —lol. chicy is clearly as delusional as tjf.

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  216. lurker —speaking of which, how is your mom?

    *sigh*
    well…..

    she is no longer upset with my dad for giving your mom a facial.

    lurker -never happens, sweetie. keep dreaming.
    I forgot you have no friends.

    @tupac- I hope not.

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  217. Tupac Chopra,

    Have you even read about the rudiments of drug development?

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  218. Arpagus,

    Your problem is that you “love and need women”. I require them for entertainment.

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  219. to defuse the tension for a moment.

    alpha texas man 🙂

    listen to how he handles his woman at the end of the call.

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  220. I just fell in love with Cannon’s Canon for making a reference to metaphysics and maybe a vague allusion to empirical fallacy. The men at Roissy can be dreamy sometimes.

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  221. Lucifer, I know it’s not a dispassionate scientific inquiry (what is in this world? everyone is self-interested), but that conversation is so last nite.

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  222. @s you better rethink that. Cannon’s canon does something strange for a little change and back stage access at rap concerts.

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  223. I just fell in love with Cannon’s Canon for making a reference to metaphysics and maybe a vague allusion to empirical fallacy. The men at Roissy can be dreamy sometimes.

    You wouldn’t say that if you saw his fat ass.

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  224. “she is no longer upset with my dad for giving your mom a facial.”
    —actually,. that was your sister. You’re too poor to afford my mom.

    “I forgot you have no friends.”
    —lol. said the female desperately defending herwhite knight douggie and claiming betas get chicks.

    Chic==shut in much?

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  225. lurker -actually,. that was your sister. You’re too poor to afford my mom.

    lol lurker

    the recession is that bad, my dad can afford two packs of camels and a diet coke.

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  226. on August 17, 2009 at 9:24 pm Cannon's Canon

    S.:
    Now you’ve gone and tempted me to court you as my lioness. Yuum.

    Tupac:
    I prefer to call it a “squatter’s butt.”

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  227. Arpagus: Good to know.

    I am radicalized enough to accept some collateral damage to women

    Although you understand why this and other things make that very arguable.

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  228. Cannon’s canon does something strange for a little change and back stage access at rap concerts.

    Interest sufficiently peaked.

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  229. Somewhat OT, “Oz Conservative” has a post up about how a 34 year old woman getting ready to marry has 40 partners, while the prospective groom has 8. She lied and told him ten:

    Link here

    Commenter slwerner, who I believe posts here occasionally, has a link to Amy Alkon’s “Advice Goddess” where a 26 year old woman getting married confesses to 83 partners.

    What is interesting is the comments. Most women both approve, and like LR say it has nothing to do with the guy and no “real man” would object to that number. A few feminized men, very much seeking approval, echo the sentiment though they would never ever marry such a woman.

    I wonder … how many men seeking to marry will hire private investigators to check out the prospective bride’s past? After all, it is pretty large risk with a lot more than media partners for a guy. Since marriage is now mostly for middle class and rich people, they should be able to afford it.

    Secondly, what are the “tells” the way the American girl could “tell” the friend of Roissy’s was in fact, beta? I assume these are non-verbal cues, that large amounts of sexual partners by women invariably create tells that the astute observer can notice?

    Any thoughts?

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  230. chic the youtube vid cracked me up
    that man was keepin’ it real

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  231. on August 17, 2009 at 9:37 pm Cannon's Canon

    S.

    I believe you mean “piqued.” I’d hate to think your interest peaks so easily.

    (ok i KNOW i’m in now!)

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  232. Doug

    I’ve also long though that he’s wrong to suggest it’s all the men or that all American women can be as fully brought back around to sweet as his Philippina American wife apparently has been.

    Ya, that thought must have been somewhere in my brain as well. I can’t imagine bringing my bitch X around. Certainly not as a young twenty something. Hardened, indeed.

    Some think that you’ve got to start off on the right foot from day one. That’s what I aim for. And every new day is day one – I’m on guard against going softy. Keep an edge and a fear about things. Keep some strict demands. And an environment of warmth and laughter. And some intense pleasure. But never softy – that way lies madness. It’s about the backbone, and also the whip – and the door.

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  233. dreamer, lol he is so funny yet so alpha at the same time. the bass in his voice makes me think he has a henry rollins look.

    lol at S.

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  234. Cannon’s Canon:

    …ouch.

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  235. Secondly, what are the “tells” the way the American girl could “tell” the friend of Roissy’s was in fact, beta? I assume these are non-verbal cues, that large amounts of sexual partners by women invariably create tells that the astute observer can notice?

    Any thoughts?

    Women who hypergamously sport-fuck waaaay out of their league have the luxury of observing men who themselves have incredible amounts of experience with women.

    These men behave in all sorts of ways that distinguish them from less socially-savvy men. For women, their real life experience of such men is wholistic, which is to say it is a fully painted picture that all the seduction books in the world could never fill, and which no aspiring PUA could ever hope to consciously micromanage.

    Even if the women only garner a few pump-n-dumps out of such men, they are now keyed in on tenor, timber, warp and weft of the day-to-day life habits of such men and in so doing acquire a more finely honed radar for lesser men who don’t “make the cut.”

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  236. I’ve had to “cockblock” friends who have boyfriends but were too drunk to really care anymore (unless I didn’t like her boyfriend and then I let it carry on…oops).

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  237. @ how come no one answered the yes/no eat question huh???

    Mu-eats
    racerx-eats
    jerrdogg-eats
    sparks123-eats
    tupac-eats

    come on fellas… it’s monday and I’m bored. give me something good to dream about please.

    [editor: if she’s hot i’ll put my lips to her vulvic chalice and drink deeply from her frothy red oronoco flow.]

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  238. The closest thing to a misogynist here is probably DA, who doesn’t even need women.

    No, I just have contempt for the alpha males who try and suppress beta male freedom and the women who use beta males they don’t love and trick them with false promises of gold, love and non-cuckolded children. The submissive girls like Dana and Aeofe drive me crazy because they break the “Wellesley Queen” mold. Wellesley Queen was an alpha chaser, but she certainly wasn’t a submissive girl, and that was what I liked about her. She was tough, and she knew what she wanted, and in an alternate world, I would have done anything for her like a loyal beta pet in exchange for a few hugs and nights out forever. The submissive girls just seem to earn my contempt and disdain…

    David Alexander may be a lazy, skill-less, friendless, porn addicted, bad role model/parent, piece of shit low-IQ sub-human male who thinks game is for “niggers”*, but he is no misogynist.

    *In the classical sense, not the “low-ranking sense”.

    Please learn Game and rediscover your masculinity

    I have no need for your masculinity.

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  239. Even if the women only garner a few pump-n-dumps out of such men, they are now keyed in on tenor, timber, warp and weft of the day-to-day life habits of such men and in so doing acquire a more finely honed radar for lesser men who don’t “make the cut.”

    That’s a feature, not a bug even for the betas and sub-humans who don’t make the cut.

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  240. [editor: if she’s hot i’ll put my lips to her vulvic chalice and drink deeply from her frothy red oronoco flow.]

    screams

    *dead faint*

    You wrote it sooo poetically

    *sigh*

    *attempts to quell my rapid heartbeat*

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  241. not eating is beta

    not telling chic noir if you eat/no eat is beta

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  242. Whiskey

    Who actually reads this kind of bullshit advice column? It has to be 90% female. Just like “relationship” advice books. The customer is always right, or at least gets what they want – which is not always the same thing…
    What occurs to me is that ANY of our grandmothers would have just slapped such a deranged bitch across her mouth if she had asked of her, “Should I tell my husband-to-be about my 20 year ride on a cock-carousel with 50 or so raw-dog partners? He thinks I am practically a virgin.”
    The only hopeful thing is that the commenters on the Aussie blog seemed well clued-in.
    I happen to admire Australians. There might live up-side down on the bottom of the planet but they seem to have a real talent for getting to the heart of things.
    Thing is, I do not dislike high-mileage chicks. I have spent some time in their company. I just don’t feel like investing money with them.

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  243. DA, why do you have to make an ideology out of it? Just find a Mistress and get it over with.

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  244. DA:

    I would have done anything for her like a loyal beta pet in exchange for a few hugs and nights out forever.

    Put the shoe on the other foot. This faggoty (to my mind) urge of yours to be a “pet” to someone else is pleasing to you, no? Could you not imagine that some women have the same urge? Except they wish to feel that same urge for strong, alpha men?

    The submissive girls just seem to earn my contempt and disdain…

    Perhaps this is a hopeful sign. Perhaps you see some of yourself in these submissive girls and rightly regard yourself with contempt for being just like them.

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  245. fucked up italics:

    DA:

    DA:

    I would have done anything for her like a loyal beta pet in exchange for a few hugs and nights out forever.

    Put the shoe on the other foot. This faggoty (to my mind) urge of yours to be a “pet” to someone else is pleasing to you, no? Could you not imagine that some women have the same urge? Except they wish to feel that same urge for strong, alpha men?

    The submissive girls just seem to earn my contempt and disdain…

    Perhaps this is a hopeful sign. Perhaps you see some of yourself in these submissive girls and rightly regard yourself with contempt for being just like them.

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  246. I will never cease to be annoyed how comment scripts let you misparse the coding and yet do not allow you to correct it. Anyway:

    What is interesting is the comments. Most women both approve, and like LR say it has nothing to do with the guy and no “real man” would object to that number. A few feminized men, very much seeking approval, echo the sentiment though they would never ever marry such a woman.

    @Whiskey –

    Some pathetic bastards may marry such a woman, because they have no self-respect, no sense of how to value a woman, and have so deeply imbibed at the feminist well of falsehood that their brains are sufficiently addled so as to prevent any reasonable, masculine point of view from even being born, much less evaluated or articulated as such. In short: such men are hopelessly feminized maginas, believing that they should patiently watch as their future wives fuck every cock in the office, waiting for the day when they say, in fact, that they, and not the other cocks who have been pounding them for years on end, are the one, and are “special” (because the other “bastards” wouldn’t commit to me in exchange for access to my pussy). Yes, feminized, cowed men with no respect.

    “Insecure”?

    As Robin Williams said in his routine on golf: FUCK NO!

    Not insecure. To the contrary, secure in what makes a man a man, and a woman a woman, and what is appropriate for LTR mate material and what is not.

    Feminism has addled the brains of men and women in this regard alike.

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  247. Roissy — first you said she wasn’t jealous, then you said she was? 🙂

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  248. Chic
    I have had more than a few women tell me that having a guy lick their pussy is a much more intimate and vulnerable place than just being ram-fucked. And, from some experience, I believe them.
    So, why bring up pussy-eating in an essentially anonymous, disembodied internet forum?

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  249. on August 17, 2009 at 10:31 pm Does Chic eat??

    That’s the real question hmmmm…

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  250. DA, why do you have to make an ideology out of it?

    Everything is an ideology. What we do on a daily basis reflects that.

    Just find a Mistress and get it over with.

    Then it’s not fun anymore, and it becomes a burden. It’s more fun when she doesn’t know, and I merely do it out of the goodness of my little sub-human heart and it’s desire to attach on like a parasite and ride the host to be a part of something better. Wellesley Queen wasn’t about sex and it wasn’t about domination. It was about doing everything to be apart of something that seemed better. I wasn’t the mere butler, but the prick that would have killed for her and done her dirty work if she ever got into politics as planned. Vote rigging? Blackmail? I would have done it if asked in service to my Queen because being the pet is what some men have to do to be somebody who dominates and lords over other men.

    Although, once that little monarchy fell to pieces, I no longer had to worry about trying to meet her goals for myself, and I no longer lived in fear as my worst fear came true. She dumped me because I was a loser that no longer fit in her life. Now I question if the new phase is anarchy…

    Could you not imagine that some women have the same urge?

    Somehow, I can’t for smart women. Stupid women, yes because they have nothing else to offer to society, but not for smart women who do. They have to be dominant to make the best use of their intelligence in all aspects of their life or it’s all just a waste.

    In other words, Athena can be submissive, but not Wellesley Queen. It’s a waste for her to be submissive, while it’s not much of a loss for Athena.

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  251. does chic eat
    is that you femx or tupac

    @rum- I need something to dream about and those women are right. a good licker can make a woman bond and become a bit paranoid and psychotic.

    Most alpha video of all time. at 2:00 min mark, watch the alpha keep his cool as the “10” struts towards him with little on.

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  252. beta of the year…

    http://imboycrazy.com/2009/08/the-blind-leading-the-blind-part-17/

    or alpha for landing a hot girl

    btw, the girl is blk. she is what we call a “passer”

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  253. DA:

    I wasn’t the mere butler, but the prick that would have killed for her and done her dirty work if she ever got into politics as planned. Vote rigging? Blackmail? I would have done it if asked in service to my Queen because being the pet is what some men have to do to be somebody who dominates and lords over other men.

    Weren’t you just saying the other day to Lucifer that you could never – gasp – be an evil sub human male?

    Your statements here give lie to that.

    Hope is right. You’re just as selfish, dark and evil as the rest but you cloak yourself in the prophylactic of Catholic religious pride.

    Hypocritical opportunistic fuck.

    Could you not imagine that some women have the same urge?

    Somehow, I can’t for smart women. Stupid women, yes because they have nothing else to offer to society, but not for smart women who do.

    Evolution has seen to it that women date “up” in order to ensure progress. This goes for women at the top as well as those at the bottom.

    My point was that you denigrate women for the same submissive tendencies that you yourself revel in.

    Look at the pleasure you feel in being a beta “pet” and think twice about pointing your finger at women who feel the same need to be a part of something greater than themselves.

    At least they have an excuse (having a pussy)

    You’re just a</b? pussy.

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  254. fucking tags

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  255. Roissy-

    “There has always been an evolutionary arms race between men and women in the quest for sex but now, for the first time in human history, the sheer numbers of fat chicks – in concert with the increase of financially independent women – is accelerating this arms race so fast that many people can’t cope and drop out” (Roissy, Obesity to Blame for Game, March 7, 2008).

    It appears that you predicted George Sodini.

    “An American woman is always on the lookout for the slightest hint of betaness in a man, unwilling to budge an inch should the conversation not proceed exactly in alignment with her most fervid Cosmo-ized romcom fantasies. American men have perfected the art of game because we have to deal with entitled American women.”

    So true. And great writing. Kids, this is how to write.

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  256. I think if you have a two set where one of the chicks has a bf already at home she’s less likely to cockblock. That’s my experience with my gf if we’re out and I’m approached I can trust that my friend will NOT cockblock unless I give her the signal. Our signal is an eye exchange – we know each other enough to know what each other’s thinking.

    Roissy in love? I’ve referred to it in another post. I think he’s very capable of love – nothing he’s said has made me believe otherwise. I believe he’ll make an excellent choice too – he’s no fool (obviously) when it comes to understanding women. *thinks to self “Oh gawd that sounds like pure ass kissing…how to make it seem less fawning…k got it!” She’s probably a 9. *crap that’s not it either…oh I know…she’s Wendy Schwartz’s sister! (ya…now I’m off the seeking approval hook -whoot!)

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  257. Interesting Tupac interesting. A preference finely tuned for PUA is a sign of a lot of partners. Hmmm ….

    Rum … there was one girl at 26 who said she had 83 partners. THAT was stunning.

    Nova — you may be right. That’s plenty depressing. It’s hard to conceive of it. But I suppose it exists.

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  258. Tupac:

    Even if the women only garner a few pump-n-dumps out of such men, they are now keyed in on tenor, timber, warp and weft of the day-to-day life habits of such men and in so doing acquire a more finely honed radar for lesser men who don’t “make the cut.”

    And thus it comes to pass that sluts tend to be more picky than women with few prior partners, in a kind of twisted paradoxical way. If you are beta, don’t get your hopes up because a woman has had 80 sex partners. Someone with 5 is more likely to sleep with you, perhaps even a virgin.

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  259. And thus it comes to pass that sluts tend to be more picky than women with few prior partners, in a kind of twisted paradoxical way.

    Yep. In a way, women can accelerate their personal growth by whoring it up with alphas out of their league. Being a personal concubine to some yacht-owning, globe-trotting Playboy is a sure way to up one’s social cachet and worldliness.

    One need only get a whiff of Poetry of Flesh’s vibe to see it on this blog.

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  260. Arpagus

    The water might be cold but you can still dive right in. Brace yourself, it only hurts for a while. Forget healthy LTRs with eager Norwegian Virgins. Just move on- like Your Viking Forebearers. Totally Skanky, cum-on-earlobe type relationships are the awaiting new-frontier.
    Dammit, read about how Vikings understood alpha. If it was impossible at home near the Fiord, they build long ships and went where you can hack your way to a better future.
    Read about the early days in Iceland. It was not pretty but it made perfect sense.

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  261. And thus it comes to pass that sluts tend to be more picky than women with few prior partners, in a kind of twisted paradoxical way. If you are beta, don’t get your hopes up because a woman has had 80 sex partners. Someone with 5 is more likely to sleep with you, perhaps even a virgin.

    Yep Arpagus.

    The more is not the merrier.

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  262. Arpagus and Tupac

    this is a very profound observation — I’ve feild tested it and its true – — great work!

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  263. Weren’t you just saying the other day to Lucifer that you could never – gasp – be an evil sub human male?

    To lord over and dominate other men isn’t evil. It’s simply natural. Although, it reeks of a little revenge in some cases.

    You’re just as selfish, dark and evil as the rest but you cloak yourself in the prophylactic of Catholic religious pride.

    We all need our lubricants to operate our machinery correctly. I hide behind a cafeteria Catholicism, and you have faith in your hedonistic deity that blesses the pretty people of South Florida. I let Yuri operate when I need to and when he’s no longer useful, I kick his ass around and tell him to jerk off in the corner while David runs the show. Let the evil flow like Veuve Cliqout.

    Evolution has seen to it that women date “up” in order to ensure progress. This goes for women at the top as well as those at the bottom.

    And I want to “break” evolution and snap it like a pissant little twig and build the glorious new civilization. You lust after a sexless aged Canadian. We all have our delusions.

    My point was that you denigrate women for the same submissive tendencies that you yourself revel in.

    It’s not the same. I know that I’m a useless sub-human male who has nothing to offer except some degree of loyalty and a secret blood-lust for power. They offer nothing but a dank cesspool into a pathetic wasted human shell. I trade my loyalty for something tangible. They trade their dignity for sex.

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  264. DA,
    Why did you use “Canadian” as a denigrating term!

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  265. I have spent time in Sweden. It is a lovely place where I was but the land and its history scream, “There is room for only a few of the our sons &daughters (this is the desolate fucking North afterall.) -and the rest of you need to look elsewhere.
    Hence Minnosota. Hence Iceland. Hence any-where that eager-alpha would go as a true norseman man go to stake his righteous claim
    Arpagus Have 17year old Thia girls rejected you so reveal your deep comprehensibly? swrt sex.Go wouldn’t sayh

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  266. Someone with 5 is more likely to sleep with you, perhaps even a virgin.

    And yes, I disparage these women as the ugly sexless losers with no real value or sex appeal. Then I chastize the men who date them and marry them as losers. Golddiggers and men too stupid and blinded to realize they’re being used by the system. Men who give away their freedom for nothing. Women who sell themselves for low prices. How sickening.

    The blood boils with this one.

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  267. Wait…Arpagus is in Norway?

    I’ve heard that place is like the feminist dystopia of the world. Maybe you need a change of location…a job in Thailand or something.

    I went out with a Norwegian guy once. He really did not know how to handle me because he was so used to mercenary hoes and other mean women. He dumped me by not calling anymore, but then turned around and got drunk one night, and started telling me he couldn’t stop thinking about me, and tried to start a fight with my ex in a pub.

    Shai refrained from escalating by demanding that if it was going to be a fight, it should be taken outside. The guy could barely walk, much less fight, so the manager came and removed him from the area.

    That was a crazy night. Please either get out of there or learn to more decisively shut down bitches before you turn into that guy.

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  268. on August 18, 2009 at 12:05 am Comment_Whatever

    Another body language signal that women do ALL THE FREAKING TIME is their feet are pointed inward(towards each other) if they are closing you off and their feet are pointed outward(away from each other) if they are open/in to you.

    A simple signal, but more common than Roissy’s ‘controposto’ stance.

    Really, it’s strange I hear about this so little. In the real world I see this all the time. Guy talking to a girl… her feet are often pointed very outward or very inward. Some girls signal extremely aggressively this way.

    And of course the hand-to-throat IOI. Never heard of that body-language signal till game, but it’s really common once you start looking for it.

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  269. on August 18, 2009 at 12:29 am fuck, marry, kill

    ASF f, m
    arpagus m
    brad f, m
    backdoor man f, m
    basilransom f, m
    bmm m, f
    colin Bowel f
    collegeboy f
    cliff arroyo m
    chuck f
    comment_whatever f
    canon f, f, f
    doug1 f, m
    DF f
    DT f, m
    david alexander k
    firepower f, k
    ferdinand B f
    gunslinger f
    g manifesto f,f,f
    gig f
    greg f
    horatio sanchez f
    hungry hippos k
    hooty hoos f
    joel m, m, m, m, m
    jonathanjones02 m
    jkc f, k
    Joe f, m
    lash f
    lurker f, k
    lucifer k
    MNL f
    max A f
    master dogen f
    novaseeker m, f
    obsidian f
    PA f, f, m
    snatch magnet f
    spunk f
    roissy f,f,m
    rum f, m
    tupac f,f, m
    whiskey f, m
    xsplat f
    z f, m

    [editor: you left out kick a bitch. i can hear him now. “kill a bitch! then fuck her!”]

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  270. Fuck, marry, kill is hilarious. I have to offer agreeable consensus on that list. Except I would add A.J. Travis, and Roissy wouldn’t have an “m” beside his name.

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  271. Oh, and both Ferdinand B. and Comment_Whatever would be “f, m”.

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  272. Interesting.

    I notice I am the only one who is m,f … I guess that means when I remarry I will be more fuckable. That makes sense.

    Where is Welmer in all of this?

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  273. on August 18, 2009 at 1:13 am killing and fucking?

    I’d kill roissy.

    then I’d eat him

    regurgitate him

    fuck him

    eat him again.

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  274. david alexander k

    Somebody realizes the truth.

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  275. David Alexander — If you were dictator … would you … make the trains run on time?

    Just asking.

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  276. If you were dictator … would you … make the trains run on time?

    The trains would run on time and the highways would have no speed limits.

    And the US would be blanketed with the most glorious transportation network that the world has ever seen.

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  277. on August 18, 2009 at 2:05 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    I’m surprised I even made that mfk list, I barely ever post here and when I do all I do is rehash old roissy post for the benefit of people who haven’t read them, rant about father’s rights, and how society is constantly betaizing men. AND HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT KICK A BITCH!?

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  278. on August 18, 2009 at 2:07 am Willard Libby

    chic noir

    beta of the year…

    http://imboycrazy.com/2009/08/the-blind-leading-the-blind-part-17/

    or alpha for landing a hot girl

    btw, the girl is blk. she is what we call a “passer”

    The girl is Daisy Lowe. She’s the daughter of Gavin Rossdale and Pearl Lowe, two White people.

    So how did she get to be black?

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  279. ””””””””’David Alexander Unplugged
    If you were dictator … would you … make the trains run on time?

    The trains would run on time and the highways would have no speed limits.

    And the US would be blanketed with the most glorious transportation network that the world has ever seen.””””””

    Keep studying then o m e g a you may one day be hired.

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  280. Dave just go and tell them you can’t kill yourself they will then hand you a 60 day supply of “sleeping” medication that on the info sheet says it helps you commit suicide. I asked them about it and they glazed over it but left me with the shit. So yea like bag of sleeping/whatever pills. I was wrong about society they will help you die.

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  281. on August 18, 2009 at 2:18 am Willard Libby

    Wendy Schwartz I think you’ve been caught on the scuds and the snakes and the “no pets in my house.”

    How dare you lie on the internet. You’ve been a bad girl again.

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  282. I don’t understand the hating on American girls. I like them more than Europeans, to say nothing about all the non-Westerners.

    Individualism is attractive. Maybe you just dislike the fact that it’s harder to get girls in your own culture because they sense your nuances better.

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  283. on August 18, 2009 at 2:43 am Ferdinand Bardamu

    S.:

    “Oh, and both Ferdinand B. and Comment_Whatever would be “f, m”.”

    Aw, thanks.

    David Alexander:

    “The trains would run on time and the highways would have no speed limits.

    And the US would be blanketed with the most glorious transportation network that the world has ever seen.”

    Well, you’ve got my vote.

    cultured ape:

    “I don’t understand the hating on American girls. I like them more than Europeans, to say nothing about all the non-Westerners.

    Individualism is attractive. Maybe you just dislike the fact that it’s harder to get girls in your own culture because they sense your nuances better.”

    I don’t hate American girls. Some of my best friends are American girls. But I wouldn’t want my son to marry one.

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  284. Skype’s hiring dude.

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  285. on August 18, 2009 at 2:51 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “Maybe you just dislike the fact that it’s harder to get girls in your own culture because they sense your nuances better.”

    uhh… yeah duh. In general, if one population is more critical to you as a male and another one is less critical, you’ll be able to attract higher quality of the one that’s less critical. Is that a crime?

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  286. eff, marry, kill
    “arpagus m”

    ._.’
    Oh, oh, oh, I know.
    r for “rapist.”

    “cliff arroyo m”
    seriously.
    Actually.
    m,f
    Although that’s assumed in a marriage.

    “firepower f, k”
    Awww, why?
    I’m adding h for “hugs.”

    “lurker f, k”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    “roissy f,f,m”

    There’s something weird about including roissy in all this. He’s the god of this blog. or something.

    “xsplat f”

    m,f/f,m

    >.>’

    Oh, wait, and you forgot WillardLibby:
    k

    And what ever happened to keith?

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  287. Chic Noir said:

    “guys who get a lot of hate in these parts:

    MU/Obsidian

    Epoxy

    Doug

    Can anyone explain why that is so??? I know the reason… jealousy plain and simple.”

    O: That certainly is a possibility, though I think it kinda “gay” in itself for grownassed Men to be jealous of other Men over something they can easily do themselves. For my part, I tend to pay attention to the guys here who post on a rather consistent basis on Game and related topics, paying very close attention to how much personal and direct experience they tend to draw upon; for anyone who’s read this blog for any length of time, it should be pretty clear by now who said commenters are. The remainder range from interesting to obnoxious.

    I really don’t see why E87 or Doug get so much hateration; E’s girlfriend is, I believe, LilGrl, right? And as for Doug, it appears that he and Bhetti are somewhat close. I have no problem w/either of em, and consider both to offer a good bit to the conversation.

    As for why The Obsidian draws the ire of some, what can I say? Let the hatahs hate. 😉

    O

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  288. chic:

    O gets some hate (not from me) because he occasionaly swims against the stream, but his comments and insight are well thought and based in some sort of logic. there’s no jealousy there.

    doug gets hate because he uses roissy’s blog as his own personal match.com. i don’t like seeing people flirt in person, why would i enjoy it on the internet? again, this doesn’t come from jealousy, merely annoyance that his incessantly pointless flirtation gets in the way of meaningful discourse.

    also re: eating…i once got a nosebleed from a girl slamming her pubic bone into my face while i was sampling her delicacy. i stuck a small ball of TP up my nostril and kept at it.

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  289. Hope

    No one else commented on the last paragraph. “An American woman I’m seeing treats me well, has a big heart, and fucks like a champ.”

    So that explains why Roissy has been emphasizing long-term relationship game. So Roissy, are you in love, or do you simply feel like she’s another woman you’re seeing and will dump for an Estonian woman soon?

    roissy is in relationships because he likes to control and manipulate the woman, and because it’s an ego trip.

    Gunslingergregi

    Of course you can find asian woman that love you for you to he he he

    Thats what makes em so awesome.

    People keep saying things like this, but at the same time they resent or simply hate Asian women and complain that there aren’t any good women around. It’s mystifying.

    Doug1

    The whole concept that women should be deferential to ANY man, much less most men, is utter anathema to tall American feminists. American women are taught that being aggressive and directly competitive with men is where it’s at and that acting feminine only gets in the way of that.

    A woman does not have to be either deferential or a vicious bitch. I don’t see why women should be particularly deferential towards men. You might as well say black people should defer to white people.

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  290. Dave Alex,

    Just wanted to respond to some recent comments you made:

    “The closest thing to a misogynist here is probably DA, who doesn’t even need women.”

    DAVE ALEX: No, I just have contempt for the alpha males who try and suppress beta male freedom and the women who use beta males they don’t love and trick them with false promises of gold, love and non-cuckolded children.

    OBSIDIAN: Ok, let’s dive in right here. I don’t begrudge your right to dislike anyone you want, but I do think its a useless waste of time and energy, intead of investing said time and energy in bettering yourself, or, failing that, engaging in your beloved “hobbies”. In fact Dave, if you truly loved your “hobbies” as much as you claim, you really wouldn’t event have a need to frequent such a forum as this at all, now would you?

    As for the idea of Women “tricking” Beta Males into marriage and all that, once again you know not of what you speak. There are plenty of Beta guys out there who aren’t being taken to the cleaners by their Women, and by the way, you’ve already gone on record, repeatedly, that those kind of Women wouldn’t get your motor running, do to their rather Plain Jane looks and ways.

    In fact, for all your bleating about Gold Diggers, the kinds of Women you do like are the ones most likely to go there. Yea I know, your answer to that is to “admire them from afar” via porn and the right hand, but the point is made, you have a serious problem on your hands-pardon the pun.

    DA: The submissive girls like Dana and Aeofe drive me crazy because they break the “Wellesley Queen” mold. Wellesley Queen was an alpha chaser, but she certainly wasn’t a submissive girl, and that was what I liked about her. She was tough, and she knew what she wanted, and in an alternate world, I would have done anything for her like a loyal beta pet in exchange for a few hugs and nights out forever. The submissive girls just seem to earn my contempt and disdain…

    O: Dana aside, from all that we know about Aoefe she hardly seems a pushover in her life outside of the romantic/sexual sphere. As I recall, she’s some kind of executive who runs a division of a company or in some other way is in a leadership role, so that runs counter to your mischaracterization above.

    And of course, your utter lack of experience in sexual or just social matters leaves you wanting in terms of any sense of perspective. What else is new.

    DA: David Alexander may be a lazy, skill-less, friendless, porn addicted, bad role model/parent, piece of shit low-IQ sub-human male who thinks game is for “niggers”*, but he is no misogynist.

    O: Question-what IS your IQ, Dave? I do know that you’ve taken the SAT, which many consider about the closest thing we have to a national IQ test outside of the MOS tests they give in the military.
    Second question-you knew this was coming-what “classical sense” did you mean when you use te word “Nigger”; and how does being a “Nigger” correlate in any way to Game? Please explain?

    DA: *In the classical sense, not the “low-ranking sense”.

    “Please learn Game and rediscover your masculinity”

    DA: I have no need for your masculinity.”

    O: Fair enough; then could you please define your idea of “masculinity”?

    Thanks.

    The Obsidian

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  291. on August 18, 2009 at 7:32 am pacificrimjob

    yup. i feel more accomplished if i get one of my own kind (an american girl) because they’re more of a challenge. they are more jaded in a way. of course when in rome…bang an italian

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  292. As for Chic Noir’s liking for having a Man go down on her…

    I really think this is a tempest in a teapot here, fellas. Chic’s very young and hasn’t had much sexual experience of any sort; for many such Women, the idea of being penetrated by a Man’s dick can be unsettling. It’s not unusual at all.

    I’ve never been much for virginal types, but I’ve been told that I’m a fairly good teacher when the need calls for it. Having a lady like Chic ready and wanting for your cock ain’t hard at all, you just gotta seduce her into it. As w/pretty much all things Womanly.

    As Chuck has rightly noted, kissing is a very, very intimate act insofar as Women are concerned, and if a Woman kisses you a lot, its her way of showing how much she values you. Many Men in our time, not understanding this very important aspect of Women, tend to gloss over it and pay dearly for it. Being a bad kisser, or not really liking to do it much at all, can be a dealbreaker for many Women.

    A similar thing can be said when it comes to going downtown on a Woman; as has been mentioned earlier, it too is a very imtimate act, and one that Women value highly. It is also something that, no surprise, quite a few Men either don’t do at all, or do poorly. “Kissing” her down there is just as important as kissing her the lips on her face. And it too, can be a dealbreaker for many Women.

    Although there are guides and sources one can avail themselves of, such as various Tantric works and the Kama Sutra, etc, I’ve found that ultimately the only real way to get good at eating pussy is…to actually eat pussy. A lot. Gotta find a Woman who’s willing to be a guinea pig, and trust me, that won’t be hard to find.

    As for myself, I take great pride in my ability to give a Woman many deep orgasms via my mouth alone. And since I like marathon type sessions as a rule, I tend to spend quite a bit of time down there. In fact, most Women wouldn’t be able to handle frequent sessions like that with me because they tend to be very intense and long in duration. A Woman’s gotta get up walk sometime.

    Then its the urge factor for me, too-I only eat pussy when I get the real strong craving for it. Which happens every week or two, on average. This is a very good thing, because Women are very sensitive to “going through the motions” type stuff-better if you don’t go down on her at all, than do a halfass job of it.

    So, in conclusion, tagging a Woman like Chic Noir is very easy-lick her up and down for about an hour, and she’ll be begging for you to impale her w/your spear. This has been my experience.

    The Obsidian

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  293. O

    So, in conclusion, tagging a Woman like Chic Noir is very easy-lick her up and down for about an hour, and she’ll be begging for you to impale her w/your spear. This has been my experience.

    My ex-wife remained this way for years. She’d need a good 1/2 hour of foreplay to enjoy a puny little 1/2 hour of fucking, after which she’d come and lose interest.

    What a raise of life satisfaction when my next girlfriend needed no foreplay at all, and would fuck for hours, and come many times until we were both too exhausted to move.

    I hear you O, that kissing and pussy licking is important. Or rather, it is one important aspect. I think again about wrestling tactics – if that’s your best move, you’ll do well.

    But if fucking is your best move, then you’ll do well with that. And chemistry is also about not just playing to your mates needs, but finding a suitable mate. Not all women can even fuck for more than 30 minutes, not all can come a lot. Hell, not even all of them are into guys.

    Sure, with a modestly arousable girl, throw a lot of careful foreplay at her, and you’ll raise her into fits of intense passion. But some girls go from 0 to 60 in 30 seconds.

    My current girl would count the ceiling tiles and grab illicit views of her watch when fucking other guys, but starts in with her first orgasm in other under a minute. It’s the chemistry of putting a fucker together with a fucker. I rarely lick her or give any foreplay at all.

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  294. meant to say … My current girl used to count the ceiling tiles and grab illicit views of her watch when fucking other guys, but now after some training on my dick starts in with her first orgasm in under a minute after penetration.

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  295. It’s the girls that go from 0 to 60 in 30 seconds that interest me. I don’t mind training a girl up. Awakening her sexuality. That’s my specialty, in fact many girls have told me it was my calling, and that I could make a living at it.

    But in the end no matter how much you train an athlete, they can’t compete unless they’ve got the genes. And women’s sexuality varies widely and wildly.

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  296. Obsidian explained to DA – “from all that we know about Aoefe she hardly seems a pushover in her life outside of the romantic/sexual sphere. As I recall, she’s some kind of executive who runs a division of a company or in some other way is in a leadership role”

    Thanks Obsidian. I actually run a mid-sized company. I don’t own it but run it and have control over every operation including its multi-million dollar budget. The company has 45 staff including seven managers and has seven complex departments. I am the LAST thing from a pushover. DA has difficulty understanding that I could be submissive and be in a position of power at work. He did reconcile ay one point that the control I had in my job meant I must want to lose it in the bedroom and become submissive as a release. Wrong. Long before I had this job I’ve been a submissive woman. I feel in some ways I’m submissive to the company’s needs – my success/pleasure comes with its success. Let’s also get it straight that my submission is earned and not given to every Tom, Dick and Harry who comes my way. I have a very hard time finding anyone who I can be submissive to, primarily because of hypergamy. In real life when I meet men I downplay my position – I realize its not that attractive to them at least as far as initial attraction goes. I’m not a ball buster and running a company suggests otherwise.

    Besides DA is a submissive man. I’ve let him know I’d whip his ass into shape and get him begging for more and he’s responded positively every time. Therefore it makes sense the idea of a submissive woman is off-putting to him. 🙂

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  297. DA we had recognition awards at work on Saturday and part of the evening included giving out humour prizes. They declared me the ringleader and bought me a horse whip. I’m thinking I could use it on you…

    in DA’s case it’s w, f, k (whip, fuck, kill). 😉

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  298. A David Alexander´s dictatorship would last more than a few weeks only in an uber-betayzed subculture.

    Subhuman breathing entities devoid of naturally produced testosterone like him were not made to rule. the Patrician class refined the art of coup d’etat and discreet murder to wipe its gene pool from low-T blood lines

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  299. is anyone else getting a webhosting dealie when they try to go to larry auster’s site?

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  300. Dana I got the webhosting ads too.

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  301. me too

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  302. Aoefe

    I have a very hard time finding anyone who I can be submissive to, primarily because of hypergamy. In real life when I meet men I downplay my position – I realize its not that attractive to them at least as far as initial attraction goes.

    For whatever it’s worth, Aoefe, I find proficiency at business to be a sexy trait. Like seeing a girl who is good at dancing, or tennis, it’s a display of fitness. She’d be great at managing the details of the household that I delegate to her, or of augmenting our household wealth.

    I take my sexual cues from interpersonal relations, not from stereotypes. Smarts and social ability in a sensual girl? Bonus points all over the place.

    And I find no contradiction in your being submissive, and managing employees. Being submissive is a romantic relationship – a personal relationship. It’s not a general frame of mind.

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  303. aoefe

    just to agree with exsplat–i have a supermanagerial personality and am in a form of sales where i have to sell myself and close like an alpha male trying to get laid–it has NOTHING to do with my submissive nature at home. a competent women is a desirable trait in a wife, competent in the company will tend to be viewed as competent to manage my home for a good man IMHO

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  304. @exsplat – It’s not a general frame of mind.

    I’d say it’s an ingrained attitude. I pick friends who are more directive and they are not romantic relationships. I am generally a people pleaser because it brings me pleasure. At work you can please people without compromising business. I’m encouraging and like to build rather than tear down but if you are an idiot I won’t suffer you for long. (i.e. LR). I enjoy a positive environment and will ‘breed’ my management staff specifically to foster this attribute. I submit to the group if its in best interest/desire for the majority and won’t damage profits or reputation. I rarely need to enforce my will because the group has been hand picked for their intelligence, committment to our mission and values and of course their attitudes. I also enjoy a dissenting argument – makes me think. Probably the reason I come here. 🙂

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  305. Aoefe, you’re most welcome. I really don’t see what the big deal is here-what you do for a living is, for the most part irrelevant; as Xsplat rightly noted, its the nature of one’s personal relationship w/another off the job that is key.

    In my personal view what you have said about yourself insofar as sexual/relationship needs and interests, is entirely natural for the Human Female. That you would come in for personal assaults and the like, is something I find distasteful.

    Xsplat, got your comments, too. My reply is that not only do we all have differing styles and interests and goals wrt sex like anything else in life, but that we have to be intent on finding others who share at least somewhat, said traits and interests. I’ve found that having a good sex partner is a lot like have having a good dancing partner-it works very well when the two of you move just right, but its a disaster when one of you steps on the others toes.

    Personally, I tend to frown on the “pump and dump”, “same night lay” kinds of trysts-I guess I’m a bit too old fashioned for such things. I feel very cheap doing things that way, lol. If a Woman wants to have a good time w/me, she’s gotta court me, because I’m no Cheap Thrill.

    😉

    The Obsidian

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  306. Re. Chic’s question about “scuba diving” — I’m “meh” on forplay-by-numbers. It’s cheesy pr0n choreography. Especially “eating.” I agree with Xslpat: it’s about chemistry and desire.

    Eating is fine if you really want to do it for its own sake because of how hot she is. But the thought is kinda gross if it’s all about “prepping the patient.”

    If she ain’t already prepped by the flirting, hot gazes, rubbing up hard against me, her girlfriends’ jealousy, undressing, letting me delight in the exquisiteness of her A or B-cups, her grasping The Package hungrily with her little hand, and maybe a little booze — I ain’t going down there.

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  307. Obsidian/Explat

    I don’t hide what I do from men I date, I’m proud of my accomplishments. That said I’m not making it a prominent part of my discussion with men I meet for the first time. I know men are sizing me up in other ways (looks) and sexual vibe. I think what I do is icing on the cake and agree that it does add positives to a relationship besides the good income. Switching gears – In regards to meeting men on the surface I can be intimidating, thankfully I was raised on the East Coast of Canada where hospitability would be similar to the US deep south without the genteel manners. Easterners are raised to be warm, very friendly and funny, now that I’m in the West these traits are not so readily seen. I’ve lost all traces of Eastern accent (a little down homey), I sound educated but have no pretentiousness because of Eastern traits. Good combo for disarming people and making them less cognizent of my position.

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  308. hospitability = hospitality

    Or the ability to be hospitable…. (sheesh spelling)

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  309. Aoefe,
    For the vast majority of Men, what a Woman does or where she went to school, if she went at all, is of at best, marginal importance. I know that runs counter to the meme of our times, and even what many Men profess publicly, but its the truth. What a Woman looks like and her basic demeanor pretty much tells the tale nine times outta ten.

    I’ve found that very often, one’s career has little bearing on who they are sexually/relationshipwise, and it is folly to consider things otherwise. Many people, not you of course, tend to over-identify w/what they do, as if to gain some measure of personal validation of who they are. Its a common “mistake of the intellect” and we all are prone to this-I’ve certainly done it-but in the end it really doesn’t amount to a heck of a lot, given the very volatile nature of our times on that front. Ultimately, one’s job is just a means to an end-you can and will be replaced, and your presence gone after a short while. What is far more enduring in my view, if the kinds of connections one forms to others. They can be on the job, but usually they are outside of that sphere. These are the memories you will remember most when you finally fade to black.

    Keep you eyes on the prize.

    And at the risk of sounding like/doing a “Doug”, fwiw I think you’re quite nice looking. Just sayin.

    The Obsidian

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  310. chicy: “not eating is beta”

    —lol. So every single black guy on the planet is beta.

    thanks chicy. always good for your nonsense.

    Chuck is right, except that he gives doug1 too much credit. People on match.com have at least the hope to meet the person their flirting with; doug1 is merely talking with online “entities” (he can’t be sure they are female) for the sake of being a beta tool.

    O is disliked because he blames everything on race, even when there is no proof and proof that it is something else—he’s got a hammer, all he sees are nails. Witness his confusion as to why anone could dislike Mandy’s hero, NotMyPresident.

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  311. Aoefe

    Easterners are raised to be warm, very friendly and funny, now that I’m in the West these traits are not so readily seen.

    I’m reminded of when I lived in Halifax, some 20 years ago. Strangers would say hi to each other from across the street. And away from the city, people were even more down-homey.

    Yup, Maritimers are a hospitable bunch.

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  312. The cock block is moronic and it shows how immature and childish women can be.

    The very existence of the cock block tells us that roissys views on women are in fact more right than wrong.

    Grown adult women should be able to excuse themselves from a boring conversation- an adult should be able to graciously exit a conversation without having their cock block friend boorishly yanking their arm and pulling her away.

    There are times when the women is actually enjoying the conversation and the CBLOCK friend rudely interrupts- at this point one women is deferring to another- she is letting another women dictate whom she should or should not talk to in a public space!
    Are you fucking kidding me?

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  313. Explat – Yep NS is where I was raised, Halifax was the BIG CITY and we went there twice a year. I’m a Valley Girl from the beautiful Annapolis Valley – was in fact a princess for that prestigious festival back in the day. My dad was a pilot with the AF’s and he loved the Maritimes so much most of his postings were there. When he retired, they retire super early, he became a commercial pilot flying out of Vancouver and we moved west.

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  314. The cockblock can be stopped by the woman whose time is being taken up with a guy she’s interested in by the way. If a gf attempts one and I’m into the dude I’m talking to, I’ll stick with the dude. I’m not different than other girls, they’ll stop the cockblock if they want to. Just sayin…

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  315. Aofe, Toronto may be “West” to you but to prairie people and BC types it’s eastern Canada. Or central, if they’re getting specific. Western Canadians are extremely friendly, especially the prairie ones.

    Your posts about Older Alpha show all the hallmarks of obsession. Obsession is not good. It messes with women’s minds and makes us do stupid things. No man here will warn you about it because men are scarcely aware of its existence. Unless a woman goes Fatal on them, they assume she’s fine and just calling a little more than necessary. But I can see it.

    There’s probably nothing you can do about this particular Obsession except hide (from the man) and wait it out. But if you’ll forgive a suggestion from a much older woman, in future you should buy yourself a copy of The Rules and perhaps, though I haven’t read it, He’s Just Not Into You. Now that you’ve absorbed Roissy on how men should behave to catch a woman, you need to consider how women should behave to catch a man, or at least to avoid wasting our precious emotional energy on men who aren’t really interested.

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  316. One reason girls need cockblock assistance is, believe it or not, that they will be rude — ie. end the chat — as a last resort only. In their own way, girls are very nice, and hate to directly offend a beta.

    Especially if it’s not a high-btch-shields meat market environment.

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  317. Is this a Canadian on Canadian fight? I’m not from there, btu I can pitch in:

    The best part of Canada is French Canada: hotter women (Frenchies and now Ruskies), better food, awesome strip clubs, prettier cities.

    And a better hockey team. (ducks and runs for cover).

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  318. Ain’t nothing more rude than talking to a girl- and then having her friend come and yank her arm and haul her away.

    How is it not rude if someone comes in (mid sentence) and abruptly pulls away the person you have been talking to for a few minutes?
    The man is left holding his dick in the air wondering what the fuck just happened when the girl that was just smiling at him was physically removed from his presence.

    Women are not that oblivious- that is the absolute height of rudeness. There are better ways to exit a conversation.

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  319. Lurker,
    Could you please provide evidence to verify your assertion that I

    A: “blame everything on race”

    And

    B: that I don’t understand how anyone could dislike Obama?

    Please explain, show & prove?

    Thanks.

    O

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  320. Canada in my eyes:

    Atlantic provinces — very nice, sort of New Englandish circa 1950. Lack of “vibrancy” keeps ’em nice.

    Quebec — I got dirty looks from everyone, especially young women, when overheard speaking English. Props. Nothing is hotter than a nationalistic young woman.

    Ontario — Toronto is a sh*thole, Ottawa is a jewel

    Praries & Rockies — never been, but I hear it’s becoming a Khalifate.

    British Columbia — Vancouver is one of the word’s greatest Asian cities; outside of Vancouver, it’s one big Northern California but with better climate.

    Arctic Circle provinces — possible retirement spot.

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  321. Game in BK,

    If it sounds childish, it’s because it stems from a little bit of social immaturity. I have a hard time exiting a conversation if I’m not interested, because in the rules that govern most of our (non-sexual) daily interaction, it’s impolite to end a conversation. In a lot of ways, a cock-block is like being rescued, not necessarily about being polite. The idea is that your friend can be assertive, because she’s not part of the exchange, whilst still making you look like you can’t help but be whisked away.

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  322. Also, in your opinion, would it be more polite to just say, “It was nice talking to you but, sorry, I have to get back to my friends.”?

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  323. Why is Toronto a sh*thole?!

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  324. O, you’re not the teacher and I am not your student–demand your explanations from the wind, child. Ever since you went off on a tangent that how the real reason everyone hates NotMyPresident is because white men can’t stand to be led by a black man, I realized you were a troll and ignorable.

    I’m sure you’ll blame my position on racism, however. Now off you go.

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  325. S.—b/c they’re Leafs fans.

    Oh wait, that was a serious question, not a setup to a joke.

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  326. GameBK,
    Earlier in the thread and elsewhere in the forum, I give my views on how to handle CB chicks. You have to basically “box her out”, much like you would on the basketball court; then, if she tries to cockblock, make her commit a blatant foul. This then gives you the out to go Full Auto on the chick, which will then create a good deal of embarassment for your target. If you’ve run your Game right it’ll amount to said target missing out on a great guy behind her dumbassed, uncouth, jealous girlfriend-and cause her to seriously consider whether she wants to continue having said gal for a friend.

    Holla back

    O

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  327. Why is Toronto a sh*thole?!

    Because when I was 22, I got ripped off in a strip club there.

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  328. S.

    One of the rudest things you can do is let someone yank you away mid sentence while speaking to someone.

    Women don’t really believe they are being -nice- if they let someone forcefully pull them away.

    You can tell the person you are speaking to, I need to go the bathroom, I need to make a call, i need to get a drink, i need to find my friends. That’s it and that’s all- then you walk away.

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  329. Hmm, interesting question, Lurker. Which city is more beautiful; Montreal, Halifax, Ottowa, or Vancouver? They all have their charms.

    Yes, Montreal girls are the sexiest, but there aren’t enough Asians in that town. I need my Asian eye candy.

    And for a place to live, every place has advantages. I didn’t put Toronto in the list because it’s not a particularly romantic or spicy or down homey or beautifully laid out or much of anything. It’s fine, but too cloudy and too cold and the traffic is too congested. I enjoy some ethnic enclaves, and good deli food is everywhere – even in convenience stores, but I never discovered a character in the city that could redeem it’s drab weather.

    Calgary is not on the list for obvious reasons.

    I chose Victoria, once. If I were to choose again it would be downtown Vancouver.

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  330. Women don’t really believe they are being -nice- if they let someone forcefully pull them away.

    For the girl who is talking with you, it’s gor enough plausible deniability. “Hey, I’d love to stay and chat but my friend is pulling on my arm!”

    You can tell the person you are speaking to, I need to go the bathroom, I need to make a call, i need to get a drink, i need to find my friends. That’s it and that’s all- then you walk away.

    But then you’d call her a liar.

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  331. Obsidian
    That is actually a great tactic.
    When i was younger cock blocks would piss me off to no end- now it hardly bothers me at all.

    but; my point here- is that the arm pulling c block isn’t as nice a tactic as some women try to paint it.

    its about as rude as they come- and if the woman is actually enjoying the conversation and she lets her friend pull her away- she is a childish and brainless zombie, incapable of breaking away from the queen bee that is trying to run her drone life.

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  332. Lurker,
    Ahh, I kinda thought you would hem and haw when your shot is pinned to the backboard, and you didn’t disappoint. You made a series of assertions and when asked to provide proof, you refused to back them up.

    Classic Ad Hom. Ie, epic fail.

    You have misunderstood my position on Obama, sir. What I said was that in THIS forum, it was my view that the founder, and many of its members, were incapable of offering a fair critique of Obama due to what I deemed a degree of racial animus. I then citied a reputable source, given the post on which Obama was being discussed, which was based on his recent trip to Russia, a known cauldron of racist sentiment. My source was none other than former Soviet Union Premiere Nikita Kruschev’s daughter, who said as much on prime time televison (PBS’ The News Hour feat. Jim Lehrer).

    In addition, I have made it clear on several occasions that not only did I not vote for Obama, but that I did so because of my many policy disagreements and real questions I had about his qualifications for the Office, among other things (his association w/Rev. Wright, his autobiography and so on, etc.). I said, clearly, that disagreement w/Obama should remain on strict policy grounds, and steer clear of any racial talk, so as to make the Conservative position more attractive to independents and folks on the fence, even folks on the Left who can be swayed. If you honestly think you can sway folk w/”Nobama/NotMyPresident” rhetoric, well, you go right ahead, and holla back the results.

    Anytime you can actually offer some fury w/your sound, Mr. Lurker, I’ll be here.

    Now adjourn your ass.

    The Obsidian

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  333. I agree with PA’s assessment of Canada.

    Maritimes are nice and laid back, down home type of place. A relaxing place to vacation, what New England used to be like.

    Quebec has the hottest women, the french factor, the best food.

    Toronto is probably the most ardently feminist city in the anglosphere and as such is an absolutely oppis ressive place for most men. Ottawa is an interesting place, being truly bilingual.

    Never spent any time in Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta.

    BC is nice, as well — a nicer version of California, with the North American version of Hong Kong as its biggest city. Victoria is nice as well.

    Canada is a nice place to visit every now and then, but since it has things like the government funded “Status of Women Canada”, I think it’s a disastrous place for men to live, probably a few orders of magnitude worse than the US, which is rather impressive given how bad things are in the US.

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  334. I dunno, complaining about cockblocking seems pretty pathetic. If the girl was _really_ into you she wouldn’t let it happen or she would come right back after a word with the girlfriend who just pulled her away.

    It might seem rude but desperate situations call for desperate measures – and enough guys refuse to take a ten-foot-tall neon blinking hint that often a rescue by a girlfriend is the only option short of full frontal rudeness. I’ve seen guys totally ignore polite conversation enders like “It’s been nice talking to you, but I have to get back to my friends.” and go on still trying to make the sale.

    Which is preferable, a cockblock (and a scapegoat for your failure) or “There’s no way I’d ever have sex with you, so I’ll just go now.” ???

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  335. Game in BK,

    For the most part, when I use aforementioned excuses (lies), it gets embarrassing in the 1 in 3 case that I get called out on it:

    “Come on, be serious with me.”

    Which just creates tension and an awkward set-up for rejection.

    There have been a few cases where I’ve let my girlfriends pull me away from a conversation I wanted to have, but it’s about fear of judgment. I don’t want them to call me out, or pre-emptively tease me about being “easy”. For the most part though, signals are strong enough to let your girlfriends know whether or not you want to stay.

    PA,

    Aren’t most strip clubs dishonest places? Toronto’s hardly the exception 🙂

    Lurker,

    You have to stick with your hometown team, even if it is just a masochistic habit at this point. Pity support is a big one.

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  336. Xsplat, true, I did not see a ton of asian girls in Montreal, and you need a few. But the few I did were hotter, I thought, because they were frenchies themselves (adopted or married in, can’t tell).

    I was impressed how much of a winter scene the town has, despite it being 600000 degrees below.

    And the casino ain’t bad, neither.

    And I could crow about the poutine, but that’s all over Canada—at least eastern canada.

    Heck (and this is for the simpering “O”) even the black girls in Montreal were hot—they acted feminine, weren’t loud mouthed stupid beasts, and weren’t fat asses—and had zero blattitude. But many were Haitian or else had white fathers, so there’re some key differences right there.

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  337. PA

    When i was younger with zero game, the cock block would make me very Very VERY angry. i know i am not the only person. When the female cock block comes in and silently yanks the girl you are talking to away- she is basically saying that you don’t exist and that you are worthless piece of shit- this is not NICE!

    A grown adult woman can excuse herself from a boring conversation.
    All that needs to be said:
    Nice talking to you but I need to find my friends.

    The cock block is not nice nor is it merciful- it is probably the one of the rudest things a girl can do- and they know it. The man feels like shit when the girl is pulled away as if he doesn’t even exist.

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  338. S, I was just joshing ya. Leafs fans are like what Red Sox fans once were—-extreme local passion, great history, big time financially in the sport, memorable players—-and a history of blowing it right at the last minute dramatically. we can sympathize.

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  339. Clio I live in the prairies. I’ve very aware Toronto is eastern Canada. I’d be pretty ignorant not to know that. Prairie people are friendly but very different than Maritimers – fact.

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  340. Cliff, excellent point and you stole my thunder, as my next post was going to takeup what you just said.

    Game teaches Men that Women have every right to say NO to your advances; when this happens, be Man enough to gracefully bow out. In PUAspeak, its called “knowing when to eject”.

    A great deal of confusion, frustration and real pain can be avoided by many Men, by simply understanding these and other fundaments of Game, such as Indicators of Interest or its opposite, and learning not to treat rejection
    so seriously.

    All that said however, the current post by Roissy was discussing a situation where clearly the Italian gal was giving some IOIs to his buddy, and the American CB chick blew the spot up. In that case, my “box out” strategy is the appropriate response.

    The Obsidian

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  341. S.
    what the hell are you talking about?

    Telling the person you are talking to that you need to find your friends isn’t a lie. Neither is telling the man that you need to take a piss a lie.

    you are a 20 year old that acts as if she is 15- and that’s exactly who uses and excuses cock blocks- little girls.

    you are a fucking adult- act like it- or not. Your choice.
    an adult knows how to end a conversation politely.

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  342. Oops, sorry aofe. I thought Toronto because there was a Torontonian ring to some of the posts on your blog, which I did check first to try to confirm this guess. But yes, prairie people are friendly. How is their friendliness different from that of the Maritimes?

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  343. Game in BK,

    I only meant to point out that some men are very persistent, past the point of using a polite excuse. You may not push a woman past her comfort zone, but a lot of men do. Saying, “I need to find my friends” is not enough on occasion, and that is when the cockblock is needed – on occasion. I’ve flat out heard, “No, you don’t” before, as a further push to continue the conversation. I agree that it is rude, but rudeness is called for, when that’s what you are met with.

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  344. easy troll O; you might get your blood pressure sky-rocketing when you think of all the evil racists here hating NotMyPresident for being black.

    Stick to trolling about making everything about race; it works better for you.

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  345. …however, I am agreeing with you when I say that it is not called for in most cases.

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  346. Clio as to your advice earlier I appreciate the feedback. I have read he’s Just not that Into You. Yep it’s true he isn’t and I haven’t denied it anywhere. He’s a screwed up, immature, alpha male who got attracted to my ability not to get dramatic and when he got in trouble recently he remembered that and thought he’d tap into it not TAP it. My blog writing encourages bad behaviour in me at times because I’ll chase the story to tell the story rather than do the ‘right thing’ and shut him down. My bad. My attraction for him is no longer, but in the beginning of our relationship he was so intense about me I got caught up plus he had many qualities I thought would bode well for a future. I was wrong with a capital W. Life goes on.

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  347. Cliff

    no need to ever excuse the cock block.
    it is true that all men need to harden themselves against rejection- that is a major component of game after all.

    That’s not what i am talking about here.
    The girl can end the conversation herself and walk away by herself. There is no need to have someone come and “rescue” her.

    When the “rescue” takes place- it doesn’t help anything.
    if the girl needs to be “rescued” she is a fucking moron and a child. She wants to be “rescued” she wants to insult the man with her friend.

    She was probably giving off false ioi’s and flirting just enough to keep the guy around.

    if the man is polite and within bounds- there is no need for a “rescue”- the cock block is just another tactic women use to shame and insult betas.

    An adult female shouldn’t have these problems.

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  348. Alias Clio, good to see you posting. You are certainly correct. Obsession is never good. We’ve all done it, and obsessed over men who were not really into us. That way lies pain.

    However, I don’t know if The Rules is the way to go eiher. I have read some excerpts and thought it was pretty useless. Just playing “hard to get” and following these silly steps to do so is so… trite.

    What helped me earlier this year, dealing with my divorce and being single, was reading things written by a woman named Christine Akiteng. She is very spiritual, self-aware, compassionate, and has a ton of wisdom and positive relationship advice.

    http://searchwarp.com/Author18013.htm

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  349. “easy troll O; you might get your blood pressure sky-rocketing when you think of all the evil racists here hating NotMyPresident for being black.

    Stick to trolling about making everything about race; it works better for you.”

    Pot, meet kettle…

    *and notice he STILL hasn’t actually backed up his fallacious claims*

    O

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  350. Poetry of Flesh submitted:

    …They whimper when you leave them outside, they perform tricks on command and, after awhile, the mere sight of a rolled-up newspaper does the deed for you.

    You’ve just described perfectly, the behavior of most of my first dates – those who crave date two with me.

    So, bachelorette #2, why are you satisfied with plain newspaper – is black leather too snooty for you?

    luv,
    F

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  351. S.
    You say- it was nice talking to you, but i have to go find my friends; and then you walk away and actually find your friends.

    you see- it is a two step process.

    it isn’t enough to say i need to go- but then you don’t actually move your ass.

    if a man tells you that- “you don’t need to go”- you go anyway.

    Why would you even listen to this man in the first place?

    if you don’t leave when you say you are going to- you are giving off some very mixed messages.
    Some men can be rude- and then it is ok to be rude right back to them- but in this roissy post there was zero rudeness involved.

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  352. GameBK,
    W/all due respect, you’re being too rational about this.

    I say that because while what you say makes sense in a linear way, Women do NOT operate like that.

    Women are socially inclined, far moreso than Men. This probably has evolutionary underpinnings.

    Rightly or wrongly, Women rely on each other to “protect” them from unwanted suitors-think about this for a moment. If a realy hot Woman was by herself in say, a niteclub environment, she’d have a fairly tough time fending off guys all night.

    However, if she’s in the company of say, four other Women, they now act as “buffers” against the vast majority of Men who either don’t know how to handle groups of Women, or, are intimidated by the lot of them.

    As a rule, Women rarely go to such places alone, and will always bring a girlfriend or group of same to serve, among other functions, a buffer zone against unwanted/unworthy males.

    Just sayin.

    O

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  353. aoefe–

    DA has difficulty understanding that I could be submissive and be in a position of power at work. He did reconcile ay one point that the control I had in my job meant I must want to lose it in the bedroom and become submissive as a release. Wrong. Long before I had this job I’ve been a submissive woman. I feel in some ways I’m submissive to the company’s needs – my success/pleasure comes with its success. Let’s also get it straight that my submission is earned and not given to every Tom, Dick and Harry who comes my way. I have a very hard time finding anyone who I can be submissive to, primarily because of hypergamy.

    I feel like I get you totally. Maybe I’m kidding myself but that’s how I feel, and I feel it strongly.

    I did right from the beginning with you and the more I have learned about you, it has only confirmed my quick instincts.

    You’re gonna find a really good man aoefe, and an alpha. He might not be a player (or he might) but he will have magnetism and he will take charge. I want you to hold out for that. You have a tremendous bundle of traits and looks to offer and you should.

    I really wouldn’t be saying “hold out” to most N.American women, but to you I will and do.

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  354. O, please, you attributed the fact that we as commentators were against NotMyPresident because we couldn’t be led by a black man in one thread—that somehow we didn’t like him in charge and somehow were jealous of his being a sex object for whtie women (?).

    And Chick noir was backing you up. Better check your allies on that one, son.

    Now I’m not going to go searching for your damn postings because its been a while now and your racial obsession doesn’t deserve such scrutiny. Everyone here can attest to the fact that you’re a one-note commentator most of the time; like most black guys, your first, greatest, and only explanation on *any* subject is race, and damn the man who dares say otherwise.

    it’s ridiculous to argue with you just as it is ridiculous to argue with someone who blames every action by the UN/ US as the work of the New World Order/One World Government/Freemasons. You can’t argue with someone who’s basic premise is rooted in conspiracy, inherently requires mind reading, and fails the falsifiability test.

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  355. douggie the pussy—look, I think there’s a female poster here! better go interwebs flirt with them. Its like having a real girlfriend!

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  356. Clio the west in general has more sophistication attached to it. The language style alone of Maritimers sounds almost low brow (not meaning to insult I was raised there). Additionally there are many more bigoted opinions in the prairies they have some fairly red necked immovable positions. Maritimers in general are less engaged in politics or at least dogmatically. So yes they’re friendly but not as warm, not as hospitable and not nearly as laid back.

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  357. Thanks Doug!

    Lurker – I’m a woman posing as a dude posing as woman – I realize its confusing. 🙂

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  358. -Obsidian-

    true.

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  359. Obsidian – mind expanding upon the “full auto” bit of your box out routine? I’d like an example to illustrate that point, if you’ve got a minute.

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  360. Lurker, your logical fallacies bring Ad Hominem to new heights.

    You simply refuse to present easily found evidence to backup your claims-the Obama in Russia post is what, a mere month old? My thoughts are clearly presented therein and available for quick reference. Either they support your assertions, or they do not. Let’s cut right to the chase and see, hmm?

    And as for your other comments, funny how another commenter and blogger, Chuck, said earlier this morning that many of my posts were “well thought and based on some logic”.

    Hmm. Compare and contrast.

    O

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  361. @Nicole

    Thank you for the translation. I definitely know what you mean about dealing with your inner demons. I had a ton. Until I started waking up and exorcising those demons, I was going to repeat mistakes.

    try not to go into auto defensive mode.

    That’s a thing trained into me. I am trying to undo the defensiveness. I know I got some baggage, not more than other people, of course, but enough that I need to stay in balance when those are triggered.

    So long as you’re deceiving yourself about what your basic desires are, you’ll be blind to ways that you’re setting yourself up for a fall.

    Yes, Nicole. I deceived myself into thinking I loved my ex. I didn’t love him. I merely loved the idea of him, the fantasy I built up in my head when I was 15. Little girls are prone to that, especially if they had no real father figures around. I know I had as much if not more responsibility for the failure of the relationship.

    So long as I was fighting my own personality and the responsibilities that would be involved with being connected to a guy who had all the traits I needed but in a non harmful way, I was going to be dating the wrong guys…nice, but still wrong for me.

    There’s a difference between nice and nice. I didn’t know the difference when I was younger, but now I do. I’m not fighting against my instincts here. I’m not with some groveling, sniveling man who is indecisive and sissy to be “nice.” I’m with a very masculine and dominant man who did martial arts, played with fire, backpacked in the mountains, and has no problems telling it like it is.

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  362. — Additionally there are many more bigoted opinions in the prairies

    Bigoted? AKA normal and human?

    — they have some fairly red necked immovable positions.

    Immovable? as in: “no, we are not happy to oblige to our own ethnocide and population replacement engineered by our corporate & political betters”

    — Maritimers in general are less engaged in politics or at least dogmatically.

    Perhaps so far they have managed to escape the Popultion Replacers’ notice. Ignorance is bliss.

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  363. Thanks, GameBK.

    Halftone,
    What I mean by going “Full Auto” is basically rhetorically pistol whipping the bitch. Brutally. Once she has given you a “flagrant foul” you then have to right to say, forcefully and loudly, “Excuse me, can’t you see I’m talking?”-make direct eye contact, like you would a Man, square up your shoulders, lean in and raise your voice while keeping bass in it at the same time. This will really work if you’re like me, a generally genteel, mild mannered and easygoing guy.

    Then you turn to your target and ask her “is this your friend?”- pointing back w/a thumb, and simply walk off-the point being, that her “friend” has cost her a good guy. And guys of high value always end interactions first.

    Me, because I understand how much value Women place on social groups and the like, once something like that happens, I don’t wanna be bothered w/the gal, unless she’s willing to dump her “friend”-because I’ll begin to think that she’s no better. I like to think of myself as a gentleman-and I don’t do rude bitches.

    Or their friends.

    O

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  364. lurker–

    douggie the pussy—look, I think there’s a female poster here!

    You’re slow off the mark bud.

    I started flirting with aoefe within minutes of her first getting here I think. Couldn’t help myself. She throws out this vibe.

    By now we’re old friends and buddies.

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  365. Low Class Troll revealed:

    OMG Roissy you really are not as smart as I thought you were. I SAID: GROWING UP AT HOME, I never had a squeezer

    poor thing

    THAT explains much
    of the unfulfilled
    longing

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  366. Hope writes,
    However, I don’t know if The Rules is the way to go eiher. I have read some excerpts and thought it was pretty useless. Just playing “hard to get” and following these silly steps to do so is so… trite.

    According to the boys here, Game is concerned with more than mere negging, or getting casual sex, in that it provides a way of changing one’s internal responses to the mating game. Similarly The Rules are concerned with internal realism – rejecting the perennial female tendency to wishful thinking where alpha males are concerned – and with maintaining self-respect, as much as with strategies for landing a husband. The route to such self-respect is self-discipline: do NOT answer the email from the attractive cad; do NOT give in to fantasy even if this means going to the movies alone every night to keep your mind occupied; and DO obey the promptings of your conscience, rather than your instincts or your friends or your fantasies.

    Women who are religiously conservative have other means to escape the hamster-wheel of obsession. Those who are not devout are really in need of some good advice that borrows from male Game and doesn’t give in to the sillier advice of the sex-positive feminists who think that we can have sex like men and not pay for our folly, or for that matter the sex-negative ones who think all men are rapists. The Rules isn’t great, but it’s the best there is out there.

    One bit of advice: don’t listen to middle-aged married women who were wild in their youth. They were lucky enough to be around when relations between the sexes hadn’t yet grown so fraught with anxiety and miscommunication, and they have a certain nostalgia (inevitable) for the days of their youth and freedom. So they’ll tell young women silly nonsense about living for the moment and how everything always works out. It doesn’t. Not even for the most beautiful women.

    I just read the article in the latest Vanity Fair about Farrah Fawcett. I’m old enough to remember when the spotlight first hit her. Magazine feminists back then condemned her for being too subservient to men. They cheered her when she dumped Lee Majors (who had her come home to make his dinner). They cheered her still more when she had a baby with Ryan O’Neal without marrying him. And look how her life turned out…Not saying that marrying O’Neal would have solved all her problems; just that following the zeitgeist rather than fighting it made her very unhappy.

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  367. aoefe–

    Took a long car trip with a gf one summer from Quebec City along the St. Lawrence all the way out and around the Gaspe Peninsula, down through New Brunswick and Maine

    That’s a LONG trip.

    Had a lot of fun. Beautiful. Was something of a photo safari. For her too. She was big into photography too.

    Some really great French Canadian bistro food. Hmmm.

    Lumber trucks galore. They could be more than a tad scary, barreling along little roads, cabled logs looking more than a tad precarious on the flat bed trucks.

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  368. on August 18, 2009 at 12:54 pm Marcus Aureliette

    editor: if she’s hot i’ll put my lips to her vulvic chalice and drink deeply from her frothy red oronoco flow

    An Enya reference? Quite unexpected.

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  369. M.Aureliette

    Enya’s Orinoco does have a very sensual flow to it.

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  370. “An Enya reference? Quite unexpected.”

    As lame as an Enya reference is, I guess it’s less disturbing than my initial interpretation which was that he likes to go down on women during their periods.

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  371. on August 18, 2009 at 1:18 pm Wendy Schwartz

    I know this is going to be taken as insult and its not meant to be, but there’s a really simple explanation why Aoefe and Dana can be in high-powered positions and still be “submissive” types.

    Think about it realistically. What are usually the people that get promoted at any company? It’s almost always the “yes” man. I don’t mean in the unintelligent way, I mean the people who always “stand up” to the Boss man and are a little TOO creative, a little TOO able to influence other people, a little TOO much of a leader is considered “dangerous” to a Boss.

    They’d rather have someone who is less “dynamic” (for lack of a better word) who will go along with the Big Heads at the top of the ladder, than someone who is too ballsy and has too much influence over the worker bees. Leaders are less likely to follow the rules, to do what they’re told, and are more likely to ignore the Boss’s status and power and do what they think is “best” as opposed to doing what the Boss wants.

    It’s rare that you see the person who is the “best leader” or “most dynamic” in the Head Boss position because they’re too independent to be told what to do without question. So it’s perfectly understandable why people are a bit more submissive are good at and often selected for those positions.

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  372. on August 18, 2009 at 1:22 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Wow, did someone say they hate the foreplay???

    Omg, that is the MOST important to me. I cannot be turned on in the slightest without it. Furthermore, I won’t even HAVE sex with a man if he’s lazy or not good about foreplay because I’m quickly bored. I cannot imagine having sex without it because it’s so incredibly unenjoyable for the woman and I figure if he doesn’t care enough to dive into the foreplay, then he doesn’t deserve a pity fuck (meaning the actual sex without foreplay is usually good for a man and a big fat disappointment for the woman).

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  373. Doug1,

    My college years… I don’t know. I never did become hardened by the experiences. I became very damaged, very low-self-esteem, paranoid, abandonment issues, the standard stuff. But I taught myself to recognize bad behaviors, control them, and work through them. It took awhile, and the support of good friends and good men, but I did manage to get myself to a healthy level. Hardened, cynical… no, never was. Tried to be, but I was always such a softie.

    As for the long-term monogamy… it is one of my deepest wishes that I find a partner that I would enter into such a relationship with. While I am sexually “free”, I am loyal and devoted to my committed partner. I do not cheat, I do not roam, I do not push boundaries or try to incite jealousy. I find cheating in a closed relationship shows a lack of respect of one’s partner and self-control, and those are things I prize highly. Also, from another point of view, if that does not make sense, I’ve had a lot of sexual partners. Sex means nothing but the value that you place on it. Why would I wish to endanger the relationship I have with a man I love, respect, and serve, just so I can get my rocks off with some other guy that is nowhere near as good in any sense as my partner?

    Tupac,

    I’ve hardly gone after the globe-trotting yacht-sailors. I prefer men with experience and self-awareness. The country-club set, playboys or not, only provides money and self-centeredness. I prefer to make myself better, not just my wardrobe and hairstyle. I’m mildly flattered, though it was probably not intended, that you think I might be worldly.

    Firepower,

    To that suave bachelor behind the curtain:

    Riding crop? Ping-pong paddle? Man, I wish I knew where those pictures were. I was purple and green for weeks.

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  374. Enya’s Orinoco does have a very sensual flow to it.

    Enya? Shit, maybe Cannon was right.

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  375. LR:

    Omg, that is the MOST important to me. I cannot be turned on in the slightest without it. Furthermore, I won’t even HAVE sex with a man if he’s lazy or not good about foreplay because I’m quickly bored.

    God, you’re useless.

    I’m totally with Xsplat on this one: much better to pair up with women who have healthy libidos instead of some frigid bitch who needs to be hypnotically “induced” into feeling what any normal red-blooded woman would feel naturally.

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  376. PA:

    Toronto is a sh*thole, Ottawa is a jewel

    Ottawa a jewel? I find it utterly depressing whenever I go there. It’s one of those cities where specks of beautiful old architecture stand as sad reminders of what once was and what could have been in a landscape of hideous modernist devastation. The fact that Ottawa, like other Canadian cities, didn’t suffer from any of the problems that collectively doomed the American inner cities a generation ago makes the people who have been running it even more culpable.

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  377. POF:

    I’ve hardly gone after the globe-trotting yacht-sailors. I prefer men with experience and self-awareness. The country-club set, playboys or not, only provides money and self-centeredness.

    I deliberately used an extreme caricature to better illustrate my point, but the point still stands.

    If you would have restricted your sexual activities SOLELY to the types of men who insisted on monogamy, do you think you would be as self-aware and experienced (in the non-sexual sense) as you are today?

    I bet your understanding of social dynamics, social calibration and wisdom would be a good deal smaller.

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  378. lr

    dude, go make up shit about someone else–i’m an independent contractor, have nothing to do with corporate structure and don’t kiss anyone’s ass but my customers, which i do gladly. i have to get and maintain my own business with no help from anyone at all and if i can’t retain and please a customer they’re gone.

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  379. All I know about Ottawa is what happened when the Devils played the Senators in the Cup Finals: instead of staying in Ottawa over a mid-series break period (I think 1-2days), they flew back to New Jersey and then flew back into Ottawa. The reason given? Ottawa is way too damn boring.

    aoefe, its ok. roissy makes things confusing sometimes.

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  380. aliasclio

    I just read the article in the latest Vanity Fair about Farrah Fawcett. Magazine feminists back then condemned her for being too subservient to men. They cheered her when she dumped Lee Majors (who had her come home to make his dinner). They cheered her still more when she had a baby with Ryan O’Neal without marrying him. And look how her life turned out…

    past is prologue…

    Your observation is most astute, so I presume that means you’re not as hot as Farrah was. No matter. It’s still golden and the attitude you bring to analysis is more valid and logical than Typical Western Woman’s.

    hmm…I wonder what
    Vanity Fair’s position
    on ass sex
    is

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  381. Yep noone really wanted to focus on the way that people actually get that kind of cancer, now, did they? That would be downright misogynist!

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  382. Doug

    Took a long car trip with a gf one summer from Quebec City along the St. Lawrence all the way out and around the Gaspe Peninsula, down through New Brunswick and Maine

    That’s a piece of road not to be missed.

    Another one is crossing the Rockies and descending into Vancouver.

    You can be all alone and still feel romance. Maybe even more-so.

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  383. Any GOOD dad, a REAL dad wants to be involved in the basic duties of basically keeping your kid alive because that is just as much your job as the woman’s the moment you chose to have kids. If you think changing your own flesh and blood’s diaper is HER job, then you must see the child as HER kid, not yours.

    so what you are saying is, there was not one single “good father” in any culture in the world ever in all of human history except for the occasional widower who was isolated with no family after his wife died in childbirth.

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  384. on August 18, 2009 at 2:02 pm Low Class Troll

    What is interesting is the comments. Most women both approve, and like LR say it has nothing to do with the guy and no “real man” would object to that number. A few feminized men, very much seeking approval, echo the sentiment though they would never ever marry such a woman.

    Actually Nova, I never said such a thing. I said that I would never ever tell a man my number and have NEVER answered that question. Hasn’t phased any of them a bit, because it’s a fair deal. I have no desire to know how many women HE has slept with because it’s rude. I’d be offended if a man asked and when they HAVE asked, Ill tell them so and say “Why would you think that’s appropriate to ask me?” and they always counter with “Well I have no problem telling YOU.” and I answer “Well I don’t want to know and I’ll never tell you anyway, so deal with it.”

    Besides it would take hours for me to count and even figure out how many men I HAVE slept with. Sheesh I’d have to remember back to age 13 when I first started having sex.

    [editor: please stop feeding this obnoxiously stupid troll. thank you.]

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  385. Wendy Schwartz

    NO, doug it has never been the woman’s “job” to basically keep a child alive, eating, and not in their own shit and vomit.

    I’m sorry, but you are not “doing her a favor”. Any GOOD dad, a REAL dad wants to be involved in the basic duties of basically keeping your kid alive because that is just as much your job as the woman’s the moment you chose to have kids.

    Go sell stupid elsewhere.

    Infant care has always been a woman’s job and not a man’s in virtually every culture know to history and anthropology.

    It’s a man’s job to go out and hunt or farm (or pillage neighboring villages) or make or sell things, and to bring home the bacon. It’s a woman’s job to do infant care.

    As kids get older, more of the training become partly his doing as well. Until with teenagers, perhaps he will have most of the influence, when the dad is worth looking up to and it’s a reasonably happy intact family.

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  386. Tupac

    Don’t go gettin wobbly on me now bro.

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  387. Vladimir, there’s some truth in your observation about Ottawa
    specks of beautiful old architecture stand as sad reminders of what once was and what could have been in a landscape of hideous modernist devastation

    but Ottawa’s history is complicated and we’ve been less the victims of hideous modernist devastation than of the British Army. [email protected]#, you say? What’s the woman talking about? But it’s true. The British Army owned most of the prime land in what is now the city’s centre throughout the first half of the nineteenth century. The beautiful Georgian public buildings and houses that might have been built here never were, because the Army forbade the construction of anything but temporary wooden structures on its property.

    I don’t know why better buildings weren’t constructed during the years after Confederation in 1867. Some were, and it’s true that we lost some nice ones to nasty city planners and corporate builders (not usually architects, though) like Robert Campeau, who was responsible for ruining the city’s skyline by persuading the city to let him break the rule that no building downtown should stand taller than the houses of Parliament. The destruction of “heritage” buildings has largely stopped now – but the point is there were never that many to begin with here.

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  388. xsplat

    Another one is crossing the Rockies and descending into Vancouver.

    I’ve driven the entire trans Canadian highway on one of my cross country forays (college at Stanford, CA, parents in the exurbs of NY), in a creme white convertible mostly with the top down — well as far as Quebec City, but never really explored Vancouver, unfortunately. Also was going the opposite direction at time.

    British Columbia is spectacular though. The drive up to Whistler mountain in the late spring along that fiord, for some glacier skiing — wow.

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  389. want to start a fight with a canadian? 3 easy steps:

    1. Hockey sucks.

    2. Budweiser is the true king of all beers.

    3. french canada is better than english canada. (note this last one works even if the person is a frenchie. frenchies will fight about anything.)

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  390. Oh, btw, Firepower, I’ve certainly never been as hot as Farrah was (few women ever were), but I don’t understand why my comment suggested that to you. If you’re implying that it came out of sour grapes, you’re mistaken.

    p.s. for the culturally illiterate, “sour grapes” = rejecting a thing as no good because you can’t have it. It’s from an Aesop’s fable about a fox who tries to eat some grapes (don’t know why) off a vine hanging over a wall. When he can’t reach them, he walks away saying that they were probably sour anyway.

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  391. aliaclio

    Montreal is loads of fun.

    Quebec City is gorgeous. Some gorgeous girls out and about too.

    I remember one trip in May minshirts and stay-up thigh high stockings thingys were in vogue there (but not in the states at the time) and MY GOD!!

    Drove me bonkers.

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  392. Something about French Canadian girls has always seemed mondo sexy to me.

    Lots of very slutty ones too.

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  393. Doug

    I’ve driven the entire trans Canadian highway on one of my cross country forays (college at Stanford, CA, parents in the exurbs of NY), in a creme white convertible mostly with the top down

    Well done sir, and bonus points for the stylish ride.

    I did some of my cruising on 450, then 650, then 750cc street-bikes for the eastern half, and a beat up jeap for the western half. If there is one thing Cape Breton is great for, it’s scraping foot pegs up and down it’s windy hills.

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  394. your travels sound great, doug 😉
    you have 1 lucky girl

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  395. aliasclio

    Oh, btw, Firepower, I’ve certainly never been as hot as Farrah was (few women ever were), but I don’t understand why my comment suggested that to you. If you’re implying that it came out of sour grapes, you’re mistaken.

    Yep, aesop n me go way back. told ya: i was a Bullwinkle fan.
    That, and sidetrips to university courses in Aeschylus and learnin’ bout the Erinyes – not that I’m calling you one.

    It was a grand compliment to your man-like grasp of logic you applied to societal double standards – vis a vis media heralding Farrah’s past, vs cloaking present realities. it was only a side point made that it’s nigh impossible for vapid hot chicks to make such points.

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  396. i would add, that farrah wasn’t that attractive, at least to me. I’ve seen plenty better in real life and i chalk it up merely to her not being my taste. if given a time machine, I’d take Jaclyn Smith for 3 out of 3 Charlie’s Angels fucks, using Farrah’s vaunted mane to wipe myself off afterwards.

    unless I was in the mood – Smith wasn’t into the anal…

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  397. Tupac–

    I’m totally with Xsplat on this one: much better to pair up with women who have healthy libidos instead of some frigid bitch who needs to be hypnotically “induced” into feeling what any normal red-blooded woman would feel naturally.

    Totally agree.

    There’s such a thing as helping a repressed girl get over sexual hangups and or even usually religiously induced shame and “breaking her dam” with really good sex. Yes. Of various kinds depending on her.

    But there are also great differences in the amount of libido women have even with real good male lovers and it’s pure bs when some men claim otherwise. Hungry ones are more fun.

    Maybe it’s possible to get give almost any woman real sexual joy, but there’s a huge difference between sex hungry libidinous girls and those that aren’t much. D/s receptive ones are especially delich. Nothing beats a little obsession.

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  398. aliasclio–

    Oh, btw, Firepower, I’ve certainly never been as hot as Farrah was (few women ever were), but I don’t understand why my comment suggested that to you.

    You’re saying positive things about Farrah Fawcett’s looks and negative ones about her listening to feminists as much as she did (while all the while being derrided as a the archetypal bimbo) does nothing but make me feel more respect for you and your very independent thinking.

    You’re true class clio.

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  399. Firepower–

    I actually agree that Farrah Fawcett wasn’t all that hot looking and not my type at all.

    However the feminist attacks on her always pissed me off enough to defend her.

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  400. honestly, I am innocent: she’s all yours

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  401. Doug1

    Firepower–

    I actually agree that Farrah Fawcett wasn’t all that hot looking and not my type at all.

    However the feminist attacks on her always pissed me off enough to defend her.

    I theorize it was the unprecedented MALE attention to her (after her nipple-poster) that fueled the ire of the feminist hag-harpies.

    fuglies always cockblock – even symbolically – over thousands of miles away. it goes down to the point i make that the *rejected* female is compelled to deny Alphasperm to Alphaeggs

    because the superior offspring pose a threat to the offspring of fugs n betas

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  402. “Why is Toronto a sh*thole?!”

    My cousin is considering na exchange program there. The folder proudly says “Toronto: Multicultural capital of Canada, more than 80 languages are spoken here”

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  403. Farrah Fawcett was a dumb slut who had one good poster, one campy TV show, and a lot of time above the headlines.

    She’s living proof that good looks on a woman can carry you a lot further than talent.

    Thank goodness she’s dead.

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  404. P.s. lee majors=total alpha. He was able to make america’s #1 sex symbol who had a hit tv show *get her contract amended so that she leave at 5pm every night so she could make dinner for him.*

    Kick-ass alpha. He and Sean Connery probably slapped around women together.

    Z, I wouldn’t put too much stock in those rumors, since they say that about a lot of people—I remember hearing it in high school about some unpopular people. She probably is just an ugly chick.

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  405. Her face and lips were too thin and her other features too aquiline to appeal to men with the more recent preference for baby-faced looks in women. In the 1970s, though, thinner lips on women weren’t considered repulsive, as Doug1 may remember.

    If you look at the models and “bunnies” and Sports Illustrated cover girls from that era, they usually had thinner lips and smallish breasts and behinds by today’s standards. Fashions in sexual beauty do change, even among men. As I’ve said before.

    There’s a very beautiful picture of Fawcett in VF with her hair loose and very long, sitting beside Lee Majors (who looks like a gigolo) at a table somewhere. Her look there is less bubbly sporty-girl and is an image more likely to appeal to men today, I think.

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  406. if you truly loved your “hobbies” as much as you claim, you really wouldn’t event have a need to frequent such a forum as this at all, now would you?

    I’ve become rather disinterested in nearly everything in my life, and oddly, blathering here is what’s left. At this point, I basically stay at home, save whatever pennies I have in my emergency account and the vacation fund, and hope for brighter days.

    As for the idea of Women “tricking” Beta Males into marriage and all that, once again you know not of what you speak.

    If women are not attracted and incapable of loving beta males, then I’d argue that the only reason these women deal with them in the context of relationship is because they’re golddiggers.

    There are plenty of Beta guys out there who aren’t being taken to the cleaners by their Women

    These women are simply taking a longer term view and are willing to stay with these men in order to seize their assets. Just make him feel comfortable and secure enough, and the money will flow.

    that those kind of Women wouldn’t get your motor running, do to their rather Plain Jane looks and ways

    Damn straight. I can’t even fathom how other men can engage in sexual acts with these women. They must have low standards or they’re willing to degrade themselves to have any opportunity to have sex.

    your answer to that is to “admire them from afar” via porn and the right hand, but the point is made, you have a serious problem on your hands

    It’s not a problem because I’ve found a solution. The use of pornography and masturbation on a somewhat frequent basis to relieve sexual tension.

    Aoefe she hardly seems a pushover in her life outside of the romantic/sexual sphere

    Yes, but that strength should immediately transfer over to the sexual and romantic sphere.

    Question-what IS your IQ, Dave?

    No clue.

    what “classical sense” did you mean when you use te word “Nigger”

    The this case, it refers to the stereotypical ghetto low class black male. Using game just reeks of a behaviour that drives some of “oreo” types into insanity.

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  407. gig

    My cousin is considering na exchange program there. The folder proudly says “Toronto: Multicultural capital of Canada, more than 80 languages are spoken here”

    Actually, that is a cool thing about Toronto. I don’t know of another city like it, in that respect. Does make for a feeling of community, oddly enough. Just like the Simpsons’ Springfield wouldn’t be complete with Apu, Toronto needs its Polish quarter and Chinatown, and the German delis everywhere.

    Ya, I do miss that.

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  408. xsplat,

    lots of swarthy immigrant fingers there ?

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  409. Can’t get your mind off it, can you gig.

    Just give yourself a release. That’ll settle yourself down.

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  410. DA has difficulty understanding that I could be submissive and be in a position of power at work.

    You’re right. The entire concept gnaws at me whenever it floats in my mind. Why would somebody as smart and dominant as yourself in the business world would want to degrade themselves to become the submissive plaything of a some guy? Even with years of reading mind control erotic stories, it still just doesn’t make sense to me.

    Besides DA is a submissive man.

    David Alexander is not submissive. Do not confuse sub-human with submissive. Loyalty to Wellesley Queen does not imply submissiveness to all women.

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  411. when it’s as important for pc western cities to have “excellent huevos rancheros or kimchee”

    as it is for Mexico City or Myanmar

    to have equally remarkable apple pie

    that will be true

    diversity

    not some fabricated one world diversity-hug applicable only to the West

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  412. . Your comments about how you are a “highly dominant, masculine man” who likes to be fingered in the ass amde me laugh for almost a week. Jesus, I have even woke up laughing in the morning imagining the scene : “hey, my pretty indonesian slave, show your master how dominant he is! finger master´s ass!!

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  413. Anyone know where I can get a good vienner schnitzel in Jakarta?

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  414. Starngely, Toronto has a lot of Portuguese and people from India.

    Two warm weather places I would not expect to jaunt to canadia.

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  415. Yep NS is where I was raised

    Not only are you a submissive, but you’re from Nova Scotia with a military dad? You’re like the bizzaro version of my mistress. You’re scary.

    Ottawa is a jewel

    Ottawa is the only Canadian city that I have experience with as an adult, and as a New Yorker, Ottawa comes across as this absurdly small boring city. While it isn’t ugly except for the Lebreton Flats area west of Parliament Hill, I certainly couldn’t call Ottawa a jewel. Admittedly, the one thing I liked about Ottawa was that I felt different there. I feel “safer” in a white neighbourhood there than I would in the States. My cousin’s old neighbourhood in Laval fills this little spot in my childhood memory of a clean, safe, beautiful neighbourhood where everybody could live, work, and play together unlike in the States. Even to this day, Canada feels like some bizzare promised land…

    BTW, Ottawa women are bland looking and non-sexual. I’m shocked at the girls my cousin calls “sexual”, and I’ve rebuffed his attempts to dump his plain women on me. And damn it, Ottawa needs a light rail system.

    I got dirty looks from everyone, especially young women, when overheard speaking English.

    The probably presumed that you were an Anglophone Canadian instead of an American. Allegedly, the Quebecois are generally nice and friendly once they discover you’re an American instead of a member of oppressive white Anglo structure that dominates them and keeps them down.* When I went to Ottawa several years ago, the francophone border agents became belligerent when I didn’t speak to them in French despite my obviously francophone last name…

    *display of sarcasm….

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  416. Gig – you’ve been waking up thinking about me for a week.

    With a morning stiffy, no doubt?

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  417. Gig,

    Toronto is really multicultural, but in a way that’s sort of culturally homogenous, and therefore unifying. I live in the downtown core, and I’m of Indian and Spanish descent, I speak fairly OK German, and somehow Toronto still manages to feel like a hometown, even though I really don’t traditionally belong to one place.

    It’s a liberal city, yes, but in an organic way, not a government enforced affirmative action kind of way (which I don’t even believe in).

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  418. People in Quebec don’t give you cut eye as an Anglo-Canadian if you make an effort. All it takes is to say, “Excusez moi, parlez vous anglais?” if you’re uncomfortable speaking the language, and they’ll respect and appreciate you for it. American college tourists in Montreal are obnoxious as hell, because they think the idea of drinking at 18 is really novel.

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  419. Xsplat:

    “Just like the Simpsons’ Springfield wouldn’t be complete with Apu, Toronto needs its Polish quarter and Chinatown, and the German delis everywhere. ”

    —best Simpson;’s quote ever (though the show isn’t something great to me):

    Lisa gets lost after Homer makes her take the bus alone to the museum, and wanders inton a strange section of Springfield:

    “I didn’t know springfield had a russian section.”

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  420. Obsidian:

    But its been my experience that stuff like kissing well and going downtown well are fairly important to Women; they’re often “tells” to a Woman that the Man who does such things well is one who is more invested in the woman than the woman is the man. It’s a good Provider-Screen for women who are only moderately horny for their men.

    FTFY

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  421. Tupac,
    Are you the one who changed my words? And in any event, why is it so bad if the Man wants to care and provide for the Woman? Please note that isn’t necessarily my position. Just sayin.

    O

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  422. Obs:

    Not saying anything wrong with kissing, foreplay, etc.

    I’m also not talking about women who are religious, or inexperienced, or modest who need a little gentle coaxing before they can relax. Once they’re over that hump, it’s usually all good.

    I’m talking about women who can’t enjoy sex unless the man works like the dickens through all sorts of lovey-dovey romantic overtures. That’s usually a bad sign.

    IME, it means either 1)the woman has a low libido or 2)she has finished her ride on the carousel of alpha cock and is now in the market for a Beta Chump Provider whom isn’t as hot as her previous zipless fucks. So she closes her eyes during foreplay and sex, focusing solely on the tender kisses and toungue-lashings of her partner — while she thinks of someone else.

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  423. Tupac,
    Ok, gotcha. Good money, I see exactly where you’re coming from now, and don’t disagree w/ya in the least.

    I’ve never personally experienced the latter Woman type you’ve mentioned, though of course I’ve heard/read about it and I feel bad for the guys who run accross such a thing.

    But I have experienced the former, and being a very highly sexed guy myself, I agree, it almost always is doomed to failure. Simple matter of being mismatched, nothing personal, no harm no foul.

    I screen very hard for the kinds of Women I get involved with, a lot more now than I did in my younger days. So nine times outta ten she’s good to go in an overall sense, and my comments wrt oral sex/foreplay are within the proper context.

    But yea, we’re in basic agreement here.

    O

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  424. she has finished her ride on the carousel of alpha cock and is now in the market for a Beta Chump Provider whom isn’t as hot as her previous zipless fucks

    We could solve this problem by encouraging her to return back the carousel of alpha cock…

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  425. We could solve this problem by encouraging her to return back the carousel of alpha cock…

    When I come across one of these, I make sure to tag ’em then let them back into the wild.

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  426. willard,

    daisy lowe’s mom is half blk. how did you figure that her mom was white, look at her for God’s sake . IIRC, daisy’s mom dated Brad Pitt too.

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  427. Low Class Troll: “I’d have to remember back to age 13 when I first started having sex”

    Which uncle?

    [editor: nice one. didn’t think you had it in you.]

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  428. Mu
    Reasons for hate

    Epoy- his dashing good looks

    Mu- your smoothness

    Doug- his smoothness in addition to as his ability to get almost any woman who posts here to flirt with him.

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  429. Chuck also re: eating…i once got a nosebleed from a girl slamming her pubic bone into my face while i was sampling her delicacy. i stuck a small ball of TP up my nostril and kept at it.

    Chuck for this you win chic’s man of the year award. For your heroism and getting the job done in the face of danger, never letting fear stop you.

    Mu on eating Gotta find a Woman who’s willing to be a guinea pig, and trust me, that won’t be hard to find.

    If anyone is looking for a guinea pig, my number is 212-753-
    j/k

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  430. Obs, talking about women who jump from highly libidinous situations to a beta provider, and can’t get aroused unless letting the tongue and her imagination slide

    I’ve never personally experienced the latter Woman type you’ve mentioned,

    So… you’ve never had a woman fuck another guy while thinking about you?

    That’s a tell.

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  431. Alias clio They cheered her when she dumped Lee Majors (who had her come home to make his dinner). They cheered her still more when she had a baby with Ryan O’Neal without marrying him. And look how her life turned out…Not saying that marrying O’Neal would have solved all her problems; just that following the zeitgeist rather than fighting it made her very unhappy.

    Clio, maybe it’s just me but Majors came across as a tyrant. He looked like a man who was tuff to live with. It could have been Major’s hardness that led Farah into the arms of O’Neal. The two men were good friends & Majors told Ryan to look out for his woman while he went away on some project.

    It was stupidity on Majors part, for allowing his well known good looking player friend to look out for his desirable wife. That was a recipe for disaster waiting to happen.

    Farah was the one who was insistent that she didn’t want to marry O’Neal. I think after being married to a man like Majors, she was turned off to the idea of being tied down to a man.

    Being married to a man like Major’s would kill chic’s spirt.

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  432. Xsplat,
    Quite frankly I’ve never asked such a question of the Women I’ve dealt with. I was talking about the “Beta Provider” seeking Women Tupac noted in his last post.

    O

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  433. All women are seeking a provider, O. Either she’s looking to for it, or to others.

    If you are not the provider type, eventually she’ll go for the provider, and try to remain sexual with you by explaining that she is thinking of you during sex.

    Otherwise, she thinks of you as a provider.

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  434. I see where you’re coming from Xsplat. Good point.

    O

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  435. All women are seeking a provider

    Maybe women should provide for themselves.

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  436. For once I’ll pull an O, and respond to Da, for the benefit of others.

    Yes, maybe women should provide for themselves. Maybe they can. Maybe they want to.

    But none of that has bearing on their sexual desires for a provider.

    And to you, personally, you robotic troll, you understand perfectly well the distinctions I’m talking about.

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  437. Majors may have been a petty tyrant. Dunno. In his time he didn’t seem to be much of an alpha: he was supposed to be well-known for moping around Hollywood mourning the disappearance of his wife. Of course, you can be a tyrant and a beta at the same time (hear that, boys?)

    I believe a very beta Majors-type figure behaving this way appeared in one of Jackie Collins’s novels (Hollywood Wives?). Wouldn’t have heard of it, but it got made into a TV miniseries. Anyway, Fawcett went off the rails once she got involved with O’Neal. I seem to remember she was arrested for shoplifting way back when, which also found its way into the Collins series.

    And I can’t believe I’m writing about this, but it’s been a hot, humid but also dull and grey day, and I needed something to amuse myself in between browsing job-hunting sites.

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  438. And I can’t believe I’m writing about this, but it’s been a hot, humid but also dull and grey day, and I needed something to amuse myself in between browsing job-hunting sites.

    I’m looking for some help. Do you do windows? I pay a fair wage.

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  439. DA’s that tramp on the corner that you know is going to take anything you give him and either throw it in your face or spend it on drugs. He stubbornly sticks to his lot, blaming it on the Nature of the Universe, voicing incomprehensible anger.

    It’s much more fun and useful to give your money to the certified homeless person Trying To Make It who is selling a Big Issue. Or, at the very least, a homeless person who has charm. Or a dog that he’s been looking after much better than himself.

    My most favourite rough sleeper was this man who clearly looked distute on the Embankment. He only had one sign, to paraphrase ‘Ask Me Anything’. Two friends approached and he knowledgeably and intelligibly expounded on Marxism and other things, discussing it with some verve.

    Returning to angry tramps. It takes courage, I think, to deal with them. A shift of mentality and frame. Imagine a tramp lying on the floor. Beer bottle somewhere next to him.

    Drunk and passed out, one assumes. Angry and belligerent if woken. You can take him to hospital but he’s set in his ways.

    Being the person that has to wake them up? Frightening. Paramedics do it all the time. I should become one to do it, as well. Difficult.

    So, yes, I have a certain admiration for people who approach when they know the probability of the response is negative. Even more for those who started out absolutely terrified.

    A salute to all the bravers of DAs and bitch-shields in this world.

    Just remember to learn to discriminate when your personal interference is wasted. Who’re you doing it for? Him or yourself?

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  440. Bhetti

    DA’s that tramp on the corne…

    Holy shit, Bhetti. You are a poet. God damn. And all that.

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  441. on August 18, 2009 at 8:09 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir

    willard,

    daisy lowe’s mom is half blk. how did you figure that her mom was white, look at her for God’s sake .

    How do you figure this is a half black female? She looks like half of the women in Eastern Europe over age 40.

    If she is so be it but I don’t see it. You have a history of making dumb ass comments so why not just provide the evidence to support your claim.

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  442. DA’s that tramp on the corner

    DA is the nagging little voice that exposes the other pretty lies that aren’t as convenient for the readership to discuss.

    He stubbornly sticks to his lot, blaming it on the Nature of the Universe, voicing incomprehensible anger.

    No, you’re just being delusional like the others.

    Just remember to learn to discriminate when your personal interference is wasted. Who’re you doing it for? Him or yourself?

    Pardon?

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  443. LR you’ve mentioned in several comments you take year long breaks from sex – I forget what you called them you had a name – but long breaks nonetheless. Now you say you can’t even add up the number of sexual partners you’ve had. You also say you’re 28. You also say you were involved in more than one ltr. I think the sperm donor was four years? But for arguments sake let’s just say it was two. Beta-ex was one year. So three years out of your sex life for promiscuous sex. You started having sex at 13 (gross) so that’s 12 years (minus the three years of ltr sex) left for rampant sexual behaviour oh but let’s not forget your so called sex-fasts (rhymes with breakfasts). How many of those? Let’s give you three years of sex-fasts. So how many men DID you screw in those available nine years? Too many to count you claim. One a month? One every two months? One a quarter? Let’s underestimate and say one every quarter (dear that’s one every three months or four per year). 4 per year x 9 years = 36 partners not including ltr dudes. See was that so hard?? (I apologize in advance for the very long winded dissection of her love life that will follow)

    The above was submitted with the approval of my BOSS I am only his faithful droid. (I run the company silly chick – I don’t answer to anyone – the owner owns other companies and the only thing I answer to is loss of profit so fail on your theory)

    I know this is going to be taken as insult and its not meant to be but you are a dumbass.

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  444. She looks like half of the women in Eastern Europe over age 40.
    looks can be deceiving. Furthermore, her mom’s hair is str8 in that pic.
    If she is so be it but I don’t see it.
    See if you can note the negro in Victoria Rowell’s daughter.

    You have a history of making dumb ass comments so why not just provide the evidence to support your claim.

    Willard, I don’t care enough to prove anything to you. I throw out the facts and like a good beta bit.ch, you go sniffing for the proof.

    got it!!!

    👿

    FYI: you should get over the fact that I don’t support your stor.mfront beliefs. I’m not that type of negro. I don’t fawn over your white maleness. You start from the same point that any other human being does with chic.

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  445. on August 18, 2009 at 11:58 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir

    looks can be deceiving. Furthermore, her mom’s hair is str8 in that pic.

    Her hair is straight in EVERY picture of her.

    Willard, I don’t care enough to prove anything to you. I throw out the facts and like a good beta bit.ch, you go sniffing for the proof.

    You provided NO facts. You made a claim.

    Here’s another photo of her looking like a typical English White woman.

    Just because she used to be a hard core drug addict and whore for musicians doesn’t mean she’s part black.

    Feel free to back up your claim with some reality.

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  446. aoefe

    I’d double your numbers on LR. At least.

    But anyway. Hardness. Incredible hardness.

    Who the hell wants that?

    When they could hope to have such as aoefe instead?

    Well hope at least.

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  447. Doug you are a bright spot in a dark world.

    Bhetti if I didn’t think you were so darn amazing I’d try to steal that dude. 😉

    And thus ends the vomitous eruptus for the moment.

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  448. With a morning stiffy, no doubt?

    hahahahhahahahh

    You are right about the morning stiffs, they simply can´t stop happening since I was a teen

    unfortunately, laughing is big turn-off. I can´t maintain a boner while laughing. xsplat, you should be open minded about my closed-mindness in finding funny how a “naturally dominant, highly masculine man” accept s a finger in THAT plac e

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  449. S.

    Toronto is really multicultural, but in a way that’s sort of culturally homogenous, and therefore unifying. I live in the downtown core, and I’m of Indian and Spanish descent,

    You sound like the perfect Canadian Government Employee

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  450. on August 19, 2009 at 2:07 pm Black Military Man

    “when it’s as important for pc western cities to have “excellent huevos rancheros or kimchee”

    as it is for Mexico City or Myanmar

    to have equally remarkable apple pie

    that will be true

    diversity

    not some fabricated one world diversity-hug applicable only to the West”

    THIS comment betrays your lack of world travel.

    Can’t speak for Myanmar (Burma), but I’ve been to several major cities around the world, east-west-north-south, and fortunately (or un-fortunately, as the case may be) Mickey Dee’s, Kentucy Fried and Pizza Hut have planted their flags – long ago.

    I would suggest you get out more, Firepower.

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  451. fuck, marry, kill volunteered:

    firepower f, k

    No thanks. I hardly know you.

    I do know
    you have
    poor taste

    fuck, marry, kill: K, I

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  452. Aoefe, just so long as you understand that no matter what you prove that you are worth to the world, as soon as you “hit the wall” Doug will somehow blend in with the rest of the dim.

    This is why it’s important to maintain your hold on reality, no matter what people try to tell you to make you feel better, or fit into whatever kind of frame they want you to fit in for their convenience.

    If you want to know how a man is going to see you in 10+ years, watch how he treats other women those ages. If you think you’ll be the exception, good luck.

    Every guy gets older is he survives long enough, and when he does, his pecker won’t work for anything that isn’t in his preferred range. This is why many men replace their wives for younger models. I can’t say it’s wrong, so long as they’re responsible about it.

    Some guys though, blame women’s age for this instead of their own biology, and show inordinate hostility. These guys would not be responsible about it.

    Careful not to plant your flag on quicksand, little one.

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  453. I think Doug has the meaning of “patriarchy” skewed. It doesn’t mean “women submitting to men”; it means wives submitting to their husbands, and daughters (and sons) submitting to their fathers. Women as a group don’t owe any submission to men as a group.

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  454. this is an ordinary case of jealousy, perhaps stemming out of an inflated ego on the part of the american girl… luckily your friend didn’t go anywhere with the italian, because her friend is likely to continue to get in between the two, with disastrous results

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  455. Oooops, you killed his opener. I thought it was “Orange Dreamsicle.” LOL. It’s not a bad opener.

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  456. […] harbor a deep distrust, even jealousy, for Asian women. They see the Asian girl, like they see foreign women fresh off the boat, as competitors for the white men they have come to expect will bow and scrape before […]

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  457. I think Hope was single for about a week before going from the guy who she cheated on me with. “The love of her life.” To being with the guy she met on wow.

    I’m only setting the record straight for her benefit. She gives a lot of advice about being single and getting to now yourself, etc. But she has never done it.

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  458. Any time you find yourself lumping 150 million people into one personality type, you can be assured you’re wrong. 😉

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