Sexual Market Value Boosted, One Shed Pound At A Time

Visual proof of the damaging toll that fatness extracts from a woman’s sexual market value, and of the major increase in SMV that accrues when the excess fat is shed, is in this series of photographs of a single girl taken at regular intervals as she lost weight and went from a hippo to a totally bangable hot babe.

At 197 pounds, this girl was a hard 3 on the 1 to 10 looks scale. A hard 3 means that she would have had trouble getting love from a dweeby loser beyond a shameful one-night drunken rutting.

At 124 pounds, this girl is a solid 7.5, perhaps pushing into 8 territory. Let’s call her an 8 and unsplit the difference. Perfect curvy body (“feminine curvy”, not “feminist curvy“), youthfully peaking nubility, shock of fire engine red hair, exquisitely smooth milky white skin. You wonder if your eyes aren’t playing a trick on you and this is a different woman from the one at 197 pounds. But your boner doesn’t wonder which of these women it wants to nestle within. At SMV 8, this girl will have no trouble getting a high value man to commit to her for the long-term, and even to marry her.

From a 3 to an 8. Five whole SMV points — that’s a lot — at the low low price of losing 73 pounds.

This is the rough male equivalent of an average Joe going from a suburban shut-in to a semi-famous B-list actor. Or of a run-of-the-mill beta male mastering core game techniques, putting on ten pounds of muscle, dressing more stylishly, and behaving with unshakable overconfidence.

Love is pressing a biomechanical lever. You press the right levers, in the right order, and you can make the opposite sex fall in love with you. No magic required.





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    • > “shock of fire engine red hair, exquisitely smooth milky white skin”

      ^This.

      Bryce Dallas Howard.

      Christina Hendricks.

      Cate Blanchett, or Taylor Swift.

      She’s got something very very special which trumps what even the smokinly hawtest 10’s can bring to the table.

      PS: Girl, if you happen to stumble upon this thread, don’t EVER get a tan.

      Keep it white, baby.

      Ala-freaking-baster.

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    • This should be plastered all over twitter, facebook, and tumblr for those of y’all who are into that kind of thing (looks over at the females who frequent the board).

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 4:35 pm OralCummings

      At what point would you guys unfurl the rapidly engorging anaconda and jump on the fuck wagon? At 155 I still abjure. The siren call of her pussy remains unheard by my teeming balls and my dragon of lust dozes peacefully. By 140 it rouses itself gazes about and breathes a lusty,”Eh? Whats this?” Somewhere south of 130 its Game on bitch!

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      • At 132 I’d fuck her for the weekend not be ashamed. At 124 I’d lock that shit down for life (or next 3-5 years).

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    • on August 2, 2013 at 10:42 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      even dough my last seneveenteen girlz complained dat da GBFM is soooo complicated, my ruels rulez arez simple:
      bring da movbiez = lostas cokas 4u
      bring no movies = no cockasz 4u

      P.S. and please pelasez please i beg of you do not waste da GBFM’s precious itme. time. pleasez post up-tod-ate picture of you TODAY! do NOT post pictures of you when you were younger hotter tighter and fifty pounds lighter back in da day when you were givingz it up for free 2 all da buttccokerz in your bernkifiing dorm of student debt and anal debaucheyr lzlzoz as da debt was augmented in sectrieve meethingsz of da fed and da nauth violted in sectrely taped buttcheidnt sessionz zlzl, and pretending dat because you were once hot da GBFM now owes u moneysz to get down on what you gave away for free before u contrtced dat STD. lzozolzolzoo

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      if u are thirty and have had ur fun and r looking to “get serious,” then please get serious! da gbfm ain’t no backcup beta nor da last branch you can grab as you fall from da tree of your sexual peak in your early twentietsz which you wasted on lsostas cockas riding da cock carousleuesz. and now u see da GBFM’s massive lotsas cockas and mistake it for a thick tree branch u can grab on just beofree you hit da ground of eterna spinterhood zlozlzolzolzo causez da gbfm don’t give no cockasz to dose dat have “had their fun,” bt only does fresh young hot tight tights who r having funz zlozozoz

      when you comtact me please include:
      how many pounds u have gained since your profile picture was taken (rounded to nearest tens of poundsz lzozlzl).

      how many timez you have been bernnakified via:
      how many cockasz u have taken in da buttholzizo since your profile picture was taken.
      how many pounds u have *REALLY* gained since your profile picture was taken.
      how many cockasz u have taken in da ginazizo since your profile picture was taken.
      how many cockasz u have taken in da mouthollzizo since your profile picture was takenz.

      i know dat you wills undertted your bernifiaction numbers by a factor of 5 or more in da same way da fed undesrsrtated inflationz, so i have my eocnomistsz grad stdudnets muiltiply your ansers by 5 lzoozozoz so if you sayou have been bernankkekified 10 timesz we will know it was at least fifty and proebeleeby more zlzoozozoz u do da mathz lzozoz

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      RELIGION: Chruchcianz, as I beelieve dat JEuss will frogive forgive you and ur hot sister for our threesomsznz lzlzlzlzlzo & u will be made whoel and good as new and can still mary a beta providerz and prey to jesus 2 heal heal ur sore buttholiolozlz and bring a good man ur wya zlzozlolzo

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  1. Wow, that is a pretty impressive collection of pictures, it would not surprise me if feminists decide that this is somehow ‘bad’ or that a guy put her up to it or something.

    After all, no fat girl wants to WORK to be desired, beta male doting is fine as it is for their fat ass.

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    • Women in general don’t have to work to be desired, and for most of us, a beta is the best we are ever going to end up with.

      What has changed is that in a more free sexual market, too many are convinced that because they can shag alpha, they can snag alpha, or what is more common, shagging money will lead to snagging money.

      When it comes down to it, most women are after either tingles or resources or both.

      Being slim and pretty means that if you put yourself in the right places, a rich guy might marry you or take you on long enough to pay your bills. An alpha though, has always been a dice roll.

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      • ‘Women in general don’t have to work to be desired, and for most of us, a beta is the best we are ever going to end up with.’

        What do you mean by this, its contradictory. Most women don’t have to work to get chump guys after them, that I agree.

        Also when you say end up with, do you mean like long term, or just a hookup? A so called alpha guy definitely will not take anything less than the best he can get, and fatter girls are going to be thrown to the wayside.

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      • By ending up with, I meant long term. Alphas…I’ve seen them with all kinds for the short term, but very few with anybody for the long term unless they married early because they’re Muslim or something, or are getting old and looking to settle down. Generally, the latter are going for someone relatively young or wife-ing their bottom bitch and screwing around a lot.

        Dudes with money though, alpha or beta, almost invariably go for the standard media ideal and/or pick someone close and pay for her adjustments. I almost fell in that trophy trap a couple of times when I was young. Some women would feel like they won the lottery though.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 12:23 am Modern Primitive

        “Standard media ideal”

        You mean a thin woman, right?

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      • Very thin but also enhanced and raised a certain way. Being skinny alone isn’t enough to get the ring.

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      • “Very thin but also enhanced and raised a certain way. Being skinny alone isn’t enough to get the ring.”

        Nicole that is so true, a lot of men don’t understand that, for me there are certain types of men I wouldn’t want to marry. Because even if I take care of myself, stay slim and stay feminine, and be sweet.. there is a certain type of woman I will never be. I’m a village woman through and through, and I don’t have it in me to be a high society kind of woman, I have to stay true to myself, I like realness, not superficiality-which so many men seem to put up with in women. I could never be with a man who was all about having a high-status woman, who doesn’t know anything about life, and a man who doesn’t mind their woman being “enhanced”. These are empty things, they are devoid of meaning.

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      • Yes, for a certain kind of man, one has to enjoy the gilded cage…enjoy being essentially useless (even for sex eventually because in that scene one is a dime a dozen) except as a status trophy.

        It seems an awful life to me, but for some women, it is exactly what they need, so they are very motivated to do what it takes. I even applaud those who hold up their end and do it well. I even respect those who failing to get the prize, make the best of things and become escorts and/or get into porn.

        It’s just not me.

        One thing that is important for those of us who aren’t in that category to do is not run the hamster too much about it. Those women are hotter, and like it or not in the age of the internet, we do have to compete with them for space in men’s minds.

        The new wave of fat acceptance wants the world to change to make things more comfortable for us not too hot girls, but in my opinion, this is the wrong way to go. The right way (at least in my opinion) is to focus on what has always been important, which is personal value.

        Women have always had to compete for mental space. Women have always been of varying looks and all of us have always aged. Personal value has always been more important than general SMV.

        Though the women in mainstream porn may all be within a certain range of attractiveness, no man masturbates to or fantasizes about each and every one he sees. Certain of them will have certain traits a guy’s mind will latch onto and run with.

        So for those of us who aren’t in a bubble of salons and surgeons, the best thing we can do is nurture our minds and souls as much as our bodies. I wish more women got that…partly because when you get older, that personality actually shapes the face and body.

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      • A lot more women now think that spending their youth shagging alphas instead of snagging betas won’t have any negative consequences later on. There is actually at least a little basis to this so they are not being totally irrational when they act this way. A lot of women misjudge, though, when to give up on the alpha and go for the beta and then end up in their thirties married to neither an alpha or a beta.

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      • The time to give up is to not go there in the first place.

        The stupid and unsalvageable, I have no pity for. Who I worry for the future of are the ones who want to do the right thing, but are convinced that if they don’t put out, they will end up alone. There is nobody to tell them that this is not so. Even the church tells them, “Well honey, you’ll be alright with Jesus.”

        Only one woman ever made a baby with God. 😉

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      • You’re right about one thing: Beta is what every woman must settle for. Alpha won’t settle.

        But how does that make NOT fucking Alpha (while you can) the smart thing to do?

        I have come across a few women who just wouldn’t fuck me no matter how much both of us wanted it. They knew I’d never marry them. They were right. But then they ended up marrying your Biblical nice guy. I never understood what was going on in their heads. Wouldn’t it make more sense to sleep with me first?

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      • It wouldn’t make more sense for a woman raised in a realist home because along with people warning us about the possible future, we are also pointedly aware of our looks and therefore our options.

        Also, you are competing with the alpha male in our lives: Dad.

        We are basically embedded with an Electra complex, and I can tell you that even at my age, long past the insane levels of Christian programming of my childhood, I am selecting the guys who remind me of my dad. I can pick out the good guy in the filthiest vodka soaked dump. Problem is that this same vibration also makes me attractive to Pure Evil mafia guys.

        So what is going through their minds is probably the same thing that goes through mine when Mr. I’ve-tortured-people-with-garden-tools talks to me. You scare them.

        You are an STD, unwanted pregnancy, and/or heartbreak incarnate, and Daddy warned us about you.

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      • Its called future time orientation. They have some, the sluts don’t.

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      • As Nicole said, why on earth would the women do that? I suppose from an alpha male point of view, it doesn’t make any sense, when men want sex primarily. But for women who have a different orientation, and who have what Nicole described as a more realistic upbringing, ie., being raised with a marriage-minded mindset, why would they waste their time by “wasting the pretty “with a man who wouldn’t appreciate it, regardless of the attraction?

        Wasting their time with you will only lead to heartbreak, because they know you are not what they really want or need. Plenty of women have opportunities to get uncommitted sex, even if they are not very attractive, if that is what they want. But for some women, the opportunity to get sex is meaningless. For those women, the non-carousel riders you are describing, what they really want are men who want to be husbands. That is not going to be found in casual sex with men who will not marry them.

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      • Right on, Barb.

        We also understand that the same guy can want different things from different women at different times in his life. The commitment oriented man is judgmental, no matter what he says and whether or not he is willing to trade off some things for others.

        The default ideal is an 18 year old virgin in our world. The farther we are from that, the less ideal we are, so the harder we have to work, if we somehow end up back on the market, to be as close to that as we can.

        This doesn’t mean pretending to be younger, just making sure not to become bitter, stay away from bitter people, and accepting a sort of “fallen” status with as much grace and dignity as possible.

        But while one is young, hot (as possible) and tight, one understands that their virginity or at least virtue if one was unlucky, is a gift to their husband. It’s the reward he gets for being a good, responsible guy. Once married or in a committed relationship like it, this extends into conducting one’s self in a way that is above reproach. We give value to our man by not only being but appearing utterly loyal and devoted to him above all.

        If something goes wrong, even a whore is supposed to conduct herself in such a way that she garners the affection of her manager and clients.

        This isn’t so much about morality as it is about survival and realism. Not every woman is going to have a perfect life, but one can avoid at least making it worse by being a harpy or wasting care on the careless.

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      • “Who I worry for the future of are the ones who want to do the right thing, but are convinced that if they don’t put out, they will end up alone.”

        I’ve said this before. I’m still fairly young myself, and I know a lot of late-teens through friends and family. It seems like half of them are determined to repeat our generation’s mistakes, and the other half feel almost obligated to follow along…

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      • And this is why my daughter doesn’t have many female friends. She has a couple, but one moved and the other is going to get married soon. Hopefully she’ll find who to hang out with in university.

        In Israel, we have a few semi-secular and realistically raised girls around that age who kind of flock together.

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      • Hmm…Nicole, I tried posting below your reply below, but this was the closest…I like these particular snippets:

        one understands that their virginity or at least virtue if one was unlucky, is a gift to their husband. It’s the reward he gets for being a good, responsible guy. Once married or in a committed relationship like it, this extends into conducting one’s self in a way that is above reproach. We give value to our man by not only being but appearing utterly loyal and devoted to him above all.

        My thoughts: Yes, because it is “all about him,” the respect, care and nurturing he gets from us, and God knows, which we enjoy, the respect, care and nurturing we get in turn…

        This isn’t so much about morality as it is about survival and realism. Not every woman is going to have a perfect life, but one can avoid at least making it worse by being a harpy or wasting care on the careless.

        My thoughts: Yes, indeed, even though for me being virtuous was about morality, it was also about survival, as you described it, being a woman my family and community can be proud of.

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      • This

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      • She’s fat and doesn’t want to be troubled to lose weight to improve her condition. That’s what she means. She’s like a beta who refuses to learn even a bit of game because, you know, “shit just happens and nothing you can do to change it”.

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm depressed_danny

        What you mean is;

        “Be your Beta self and someone will love you for it”…eventually.

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      • sorry to burst your boner bubble, but the woman in the photos IS a feminist.

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    • “it would not surprise me if feminists decide that this is somehow ‘bad’ or that a guy put her up to it or something.”

      You are indeed correct! I saw this obese feminist idiot bitching about how this girl was a victim of “media’s unfair beauty standards” or something and how she dangerously self-hated and starved herself to become beautiful in the eyes of men or some stupid, jealous bullcrap like that…. This sad idiot has never even talked to the girl, not even once, yet she had the guts to speak for her like that. Redhead caught wind of this and very politely replied something along the lines of that it was not a matter of looks, she just wanted to be healthier for herself and noone else, that she loved her body before and after the weightloss, and that even after gaining a bit of weight back she’s still perfectly happy with herself.

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  2. More women need to see this. The next step is if she leverages her newfound looks to get a high value guy, or wastes it riding the carousel. The other factor that she still has going for her is her youth. A woman who is 35+ making the same transformation isn’t going to get nearly as much out of it.

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    • Youth is a plus objectively, but a transformation like this would be way more life-changing for a 35-year-old fat woman. A fat 25-year-old can still get married. A fat 35-year-old probably can’t get a date. It’s much more significant to go from a 1 to a 4 than a 3 to an 8.

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      • Myth death again. Fat 35 year olds and even older women get dates. Some few even get married the first time in that range.

        There is no vagina in the age range that a woman would still have a desire for sex, that doesn’t have dudes trying to get into it.

        This is crucial to your understanding of women’s current sense of over entitlement.

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      • Generally agree, but it kinda depends on where you go. The places I frequent, anything over 30 better be SMOKIN’ if they want any attention whatsoever after 9.30.

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      • Well, where there are more realistic people, decent women are married off by then, and the ones who are left are widows or single because they should be.

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  3. What is notably as well, is even at 140 the girl is not hot, which makes the wall even harder for a girl to climb, that she can lose 50 pounds and still be ugly.

    However a mere 8 after that and she has curves, 8 more and definitely hot.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 12:21 pm Deep Strength

      This is correct.

      It’s like she goes from 197 (mid 3), 185 (high 3), 175 (low 4), 165 (mid 4), 155 (high 4), 140 (mid 5), 132 (mid 6), 124 (mid 8).

      The curves (with no fat in them) really make all the difference.

      This pretty much shows how poorly even 5-10 lbs of fat gain can negatively affect a girl’s SMV. If you destroy your waist curves you’re pretty much instantly relegating yourself to average or less than average (5 and lower).

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      • I had the same reaction. There’s a breakpoint after the second picture, where she goes from being actively horrid to just an average plump girl, and she stays APG down to the second-to-last picture (which I’d call moderately cute), and then the last one where she’s definitely hot.

        I must confess, though: I’d be reluctant to date her after seeing this photo series. Certainly no long-term relationship. You’d always know there’s that time bomb inside her cells, ticking away . . .

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    • Yea, good point, she’s still pretty invisible to me until the last picture. Just another soft girl that trolls facebook instead of getting out and riding her bike.
      Just the last 12-14 pounds puts her two whole categories higher in aesthetics. Amazing.

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      • Eh, the 124 is clearly the tops, but I’m actually pretty keen on the 165. Can’t say I’d agree with the lower pics being improvements, aside from maybe 132. The jump from 165 and even 132 to 124 is quite drastic though. It also doesn’t hurt that she suddenly learned how to dress like a non-degenerate in the final picture. Any difference in the higher weights indicate the difference camera perspective makes.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 12:29 am Modern Primitive

        “It also doesn’t hurt that she suddenly learned how to dress like a non-degenerate in the final picture.”

        She always knew how to dress that way, generally women know how to hide thier flaws and maximise their attractive features by chosing appropriate clothing.

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    • These are my ratings as well, but the huge improvement between 132 and 124 makes me suspicious that either the weights aren’t as advertized or the last picture has been airbrushed/photoshopped. I’d want to see higher res originals.

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  4. Stats indicate that an overwhelming majority will put the weight back on and more.

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    • Even if true, better a short time in the pleasure dome than no time at all.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm supersystem3

      Show me the research please. That oft quoted statistic is from a study in the 1950s that dealt with approximately 50 morbidly obese subjects and where their life was 5 years down the road. As you can imagine, there are many problems with extrapolating trends from that study.

      Keep in mind too that she was obese, but not morbidly so. As in, it probably was not psychological issues that were the cause of her being fat, but lifestyle ones (as it is for most people). Whereas in the 1950s, being morbidly obese was very much a tiny minority that probably actually DID have some combination of glandular and psychological issues related to overeating.

      Lifestyle issues can be changed with a moderate amount of effort, and this weightloss was probably over a considerable amount of time (my guess is about two years). By that point, for all intents and purposes she has a completely new and better and internalized lifestyle that she will never want to go back from.

      In my experience, former fat people that are now in excellent shape have a very real fear of going back, and it helps keep them on the straight and narrow (to a certain extent I am the same way, I used to be chubby).

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      • Most people gain weight in their teens, and never stop, maybe at some point for small intervals in their life they make an attempt to lose the weight, but generally speaking people only gain weight. Mostly due to our sedentary lifestyle and slowing metabolism with aging. If a person is overweight by the time they are in their early 20’s the likelihood is they will stay that way the rest of life.

        I am obese, I have a decent job and can still get laid. But the point of this article is women are judged based on their weight. I can do ok for myself, but women who are my bodyfat% equal are left to a life of chubby chasers and black guys. Which for them means a life of being in debt, having to raise kids by themselves, and being poor the rest of their life.

        Women are genetically programed to have kids and raise them, if she can stay skinny-ish and isnt a rude and disrespectful bitch enamored in modern day feminism she will most likely be able to keep a guy around.

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      • Most fat people get fat as kids, more often than not the parents’ fault – who are also fat.
        Some get lucky and the growth spurt they experience in their teens fixes them, or they are among the few who actually realize early in life that fat is NOT the way to go and have the willpower to do it on their own. And I do mean COMPLETELY on their own, no one ‘supports’ a teen who’s trying to lose weight. For a wide variety of reasons.
        Once bodily growth has stopped (17-19 or so), major weight loss (20+ lbs.) is extremely difficult, habits are VERY deeply ingrained, and the success rate is around 5%. Those are then the very few people who actually do look better in their 30’s, 40’s etc. than they did in their (fat) youth.

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      • Here you go:

        Here’s one.

        Here’s another.

        Both of these are meta-analyses. The first compared clinical trials of diets, finding both low-fat and low-carb diets to be generally ineffective after 1-2 years.

        The second contains unrandomized intervention studies, but observed for longer years (up to 5). Weight loss maintenance was generally miserable.

        So there you have it. Weight loss is generally ineffective in the long haul. Sure, we all know exceptions, but you guys are making broad judgemental prescriptions for the population at large, so you need to focus on the rule, not the exceptions.

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      • A fair number of WINNERs for the Biggest Loser show end up plumping out again. These are people who get the entire package: nutrition, work out regimen, medical consults, etc. and not only are aware how dangerous their former life style was but beat it…. for a time. In a society of no responsibility for your actions, they succumb to their weaknesses and return to their old habits.
        To be utterly clear, the obesity issue is very much tied into the deterioration of society in every facet as the Feminist program eats into it like a cancer. Shame of being over-weight has disappeared with every other shame. The “you can’t control me” meme is deeply tied to “because I can’t control me” one. Government is the final arbiter of “right” and “wrong” and assumes all their responsibilities for them where once it was the husband and the family. To gain more power, more programs are created to “help” and relieve you of your responsibilities… at the same time it takes your rights as the two are inextricably linked.

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      • > “the Feminist program”

        A subspecialty within the greater Frankfurt School agenda to destroy and eradicate Western Civilization.

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  5. Great job on the weight loss. 73 pounds is no joke to lose.

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    • It is impressive, but as she gets older, it will take a mighty effort for it to not reverse itself.

      Kinda like Flowers for Algernon for fat chicks.

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  6. on August 1, 2013 at 9:56 am Stg58/Animal Mother

    Hot damn. Love the redheads!! Especially ones that look like that.

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  7. Yet obesity rates continue to rise and rise, even as both the scientific and cultural standards for defining said obesity are constantly massaged to minimize emotional impact. The Girl in the Red Dress continues to become an increasingly rare breed, gentlemen. Enjoy her whilst thy Gods permit.

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  8. Why is she only an 8? Just curious where she lost points. I think she looks great. She must be fairly tall to look like that at 124.

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    • A 9 would never have gotten there in the first place.

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    • There is no why. Only eyes.

      And 8 is being very generous, Monsieur. She has nice milky skin tone but she’s probably nastily freckled with gross Irish hands. The face is average.

      WOULD BANG FROM BEHIND

      -Friedrich Nietzsche
      [I]The Will to Power[/I]

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    • Yeah she could easily be placed as a 9.

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    • Lost points?

      Did you not see that CH rated her from a 3 to an 8? She gained 5 points.

      Don’t be greedy.

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    • “She must be fairly tall to look like that at 124.”
      I’d bet 5’4″ and 24% body fat.
      Lean her out a bit more and then add a few pounds of muscle to give her more torso taper and she might go 9 if you’re into the whole Scots/Irish look, which, as it happens, I am.

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    • No, CH is about right; this girl is around 7.5, except I would give her a 7. Look at her legs, they aren’t that nice. Look at both 132 and 124, you can see she has short legs. Long legs in women is really hot. Her hair too, is nothing great; it’s short, brassy, and frizzy. A woman should have fabulous long locks. Her face isn’t bad though – a little above average.

      I know I am taking her apart, but that’s what I do to assign the right value to a person.

      And I don’t think she’s tall at all. At 124, she could probably stand to lose another 10-12 lbs. Her thighs are still a little fat. It’s hard to tell that she needs to lose more, because the 124 pic is taken form a clever angle that flatters her figure, and she is wearing heels which always make girls look more slender.

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      • Also, wanted to add that it doesn’t matter whether she is now a 7, 7.5, 8, or a 9. The point is that she’s infinitely more fuckable at 124 than she was at almost 200 lbs. Goodness, what a huge difference.

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      • In the 132 picture her hair is too short, but quite lovely otherwise. In the 124 picture it’s nearly long enough, but she’s damaged it with over styling making it dull.

        I’ll cut her some slack for being a newbie at looking hot.

        As for the rest, I’m with you.

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      • This

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:33 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> At 124, she could probably stand to lose another 10-12 lbs

        Id we believe the mansophere that a girl is at her peak bodyform around AGE 15-17. At age 14, she probably did weigh about 120.

        Men experience a similar trajectory.

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    • OK, I found more pics of her. She is 5’3” so she should lose a little more weight. She’ll look better.

      Also, in some of the pics, she looks very pretty. So I would definitely move her up to an 8 based on her facial beauty. Her figure is a 7, but her face is an 8, so she is 7.5. But if she lost another 10 lbs, she will definitely score an 8.5 (I still don’t like her short legs).

      https://www.google.com/search?q=Criss+Gets+Fits&rlz=1T4ADRA_enUS452US471&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Npf6UaScFLL54AP7hoHACQ&ved=0CEEQsAQ&biw=1173&bih=546&sei=z5f6UayPLIz_4AO1oYFg#facrc=_&imgrc=FoBnZ6tTblO15M%3A%3BynmQwukhA7WxLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fdata.whicdn.com%252Fimages%252F23147399%252Ftumblr_lwy1leApTH1qig43xo1_1280_large.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fweheartit.com%252Fentry%252F23147399%3B500%3B469

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      • Wow, did you see the “real” picture of her in the red dress?!? What a difference! That camera angle above is VERY flattering (and deceiving).

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      • “She is 5’3″. . .”

        Missed it by thaaaat much. Her legs were a bit shorter even than I figured and the parallax to the top hinge of the door made things a bit uncertain.

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      • Really ugly legs. Roll down.
        http://www.boosaurus.com/2012/05/star-in-bra-cast-your-votes.html

        Now I’m debating if she is an 8 at best, even if she lost those 10 extra lbs.

        It doesn’t matter actually. Sexually and physically she is 100 times better off now than she was.

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      • 10 extra pounds and she wouldn’t have any curves. I was 110 at 5’6 and my bones protruded a little too much. I think she looks nice at around 120. too many women go below a healthy weight and jeopardize fertility. I also am surprised at the difference from 132 to 124. I guess 8pounds really shows.

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      • Curves on women isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

        First, it means you have higher percentage of body fat.

        Second, it means you’re older, cuz younger girls are not as curvy as older women. Think of yourself as you were when you were 16-20, that is how you should strive to look, always, even into your 30s or beyond. Few women can achieve this, but it can be done if you work on it and not listen to the curve movement.

        Third, you being 5’6” at 110 lbs. is low weight, but at 120 lbs., it’s perfect. She’s 5’3” so she should be around 110-112 lbs. 115 lbs. max. Some of it also has to do with build and bone structure. Large to medium build women should weigh more than slender types. It’s hard to tell what she is, cuz in some pics she looks small framed, and in others she looks more medium build (her legs and thighs point to this). If she is medium build, then I can see her weight being between 112-115 lbs. 118 lbs. max, maybe, and that’s a big maybe.

        “I also am surprised at the difference from 132 to 124. I guess 8 pounds really shows.”

        You bet ya!

        Also, at 124 lbs., I think she is still overweight. Thus, at 132 lbs. she is 20 lbs. over what she should be. That’s why she still looks chubby at 132 lbs. And, add to this the fact that the 124 lbs. pic is deceptively flattering, and the difference is striking.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:43 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> I was 110 at 5’6 and my bones protruded a little too much.

        Says who? A guy? Or is it that you think that you even HAVE a SMV to another woman?

        >> I think she looks nice at around 120.

        No one was suggesting kicking her out of bed at 124.

        >> Too many women go below a healthy weight and jeopardize fertility.

        Quick poll for guys: raise your hand if your boner depends upon the reliability of a woman’s ovulation?

        Second quick poll for guys: raise your hand if you think that the Anglosphere is experiencing the heartbreak of an epidemic of anorexic women.

        Tell you what, we’ll make it even EASIER: raise your hand if you personally know ANY women who are below a healthy body-fat percentage.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 3:28 pm Hugh G. Rection

        It obviously depends on genetic, but I don’t like it when I see bones. Seems like women like that look on other women though, judging from women’s magazines.

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      • And those elbows! So pointy!

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      • Jesus H Christ.

        Who gives a shit what she is???

        On the one hand, suppose she’s an “11”, but she’s a total retard, who can’t mumble anything more coherent than broken “Valley Girl”, she’s got tats all over her body, she’s got a penchant for fornicating with n*ggers, and her anus is covered in venereal warts.

        On the other hand, suppose she’s a mere “6”, but she speaks fluent French, fluent Italian, and fluent German, she knows all 154 of Oxford’s sonnets by heart, she can play the Beethoven violin concerto both forwards and backwards on her authentic Guarneri violin, and she just so happens to be staunchly pro-life.

        Now which of those chicks would you want to be the mother of your children, and which of those chicks would you dare not touch with a ten foot pole?!?

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 1:13 pm FuriousFerret

        Ummmm. Screw the first one. Marry the second one?

        Also your description of 6 actually doesn’t really provide the high value qualities you want to. I have known many women that spoke different languages and played classical instruments. They certainly weren’t the type of woman you would want to marry. They tend to be have prissy values, have feminist leaning whether they know it or not and expect to be treated in a way befitting a model.

        Personally, I would marry the 11 that’s a total retard to be honest over the overeducated, entitled aristocratic 6. No one wants Lady MacBeth as a wife.

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      • “which of those chicks would you want to be the mother of your children”
        The answer you are fishing for is obvious, but none of the qualities you put forward address the issue of being a decent wife and mother. In any case, I personally prefer Tyrolean violins.

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      • “she’s got tats all over her body, she’s got a penchant for fornicating with n*ggers, and her anus is covered in venereal warts.”

        No doubt. ITAWY. Except, her character is not the point here. CH means that a girl’s sexual value is relatively high when she is thin, and almost nonexistent when she is fat.

        Anyway, ITAWY that this girl is no marriage material. I think we need to stress there are two broad categories that girls need satisfy in order to be considered marriage worthy. One is beauty, and the other is character. I don’t think beauty alone can exist without good character. Beauty alone is good enough for banging, but not enough for marrying. Yet good character on an average-looking girl, say a 6 or 6.5, works well in the marriage department.

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm Zombie Shane

        > “The answer you are fishing for is obvious, but none of the qualities you put forward address the issue of being a decent wife and mother.”

        No, we haven’t even gotten around to character issues yet.

        I was just talking about the superficial stuff.

        Me – I’d infinitely rather spend my life with a “1” who had a warm heart and was smart as a whip than with a “10” who was a tard or who had a cold dark nihilistic abyss where her heart should have been.

        And I’ve spent my entire life on University campuses, so I know “cold dark nihilistic abyss” like the back of my God-damned hand.

        If that red-head – at 124 lbs, or even at 132 lbs – had a warm heart and a kind & gentle demeanor, then she could make one helluva life’s partner for some lucky guy out there.

        Whether she’s a “6” or an “8” or a “what-the-fuck-ever”.

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      • In my naive youth I went and married a Holyoke sociology major, there is nothing you can tell me about the cold dark nihilistic abyss where a heart should have been.

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm Zombie Shane

        > “a Holyoke sociology major”

        LOL’ed.

        I wish I could say more about Holyoke, but I’ve got a pseudonym which needs to be protected.

        Although apparently it’s become Dyke Central in the last 10 or 15 years.

        Hey, slightly off-topic, but check it out:

        “More girls – 43 percent – than boys – 28 percent – reported committing an act of physical dating violence, said researchers who are presenting their findings beginning Wednesday at the American Psychological Association’s annual meeting.”

        http://www.nbcnews.com/health/girls-commit-dating-violence-often-boys-studies-show-6C10809607

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      • Zombie Shane, you know enough to know that there are no 1s with warm hearts and intelligence.

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      • I always like this argument lol

        How about a 9-10 who speaks other languages and plays the violin and has a warm heart and shit? I’ll take that option, thanks.

        The people who think all hot girls are ditzy valley girl retard whore uncultured idiots etc simply haven’t met enough hot girls to realize that some of them are just as awesome as your theoretical dream girl.

        Sure, they’re rare, but that’s why you go meet a lot of them and enjoy the search.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 5:05 am Zombie Shane

        > “How about a 9-10 who speaks other languages and plays the violin and has a warm heart and shit? I’ll take that option, thanks.”

        Dude, if you ever find her: MARRY HER.

        Because bitches like that only exist in the frigging movies.

        And I am NOT exaggerating.

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      • Only exist in movies? No there are talented warmhearted women who are also quite beautiful, on a number scale I don’t know. but beautiful. But you don’t see them often because they usually don’t go out in clubs and bars, they are protected by the men of the family and get set up with their husband by family or close friends. I think the night life/clubs/bars are often what taints a woman.

        I know one woman who is so beautiful and she doesn’t even wear make-up, her beauty really takes my breath away, she is also extremely intelligent and educated but she chose not to pursue a career and decided to be a house-wife instead. And there are others like her, don’t lose hope.

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      • That’s the plan, minus the marriage part.

        I tell my friends that if I meet a girl who blows my mind so much that I don’t even give a shit about other girls, and she tops the charts in all my categories of standards, I’ll be HAPPY to settle. I’m just more realistic about how rare those girls are than most of society who is all convinced that all their female friends are perfect 10s, and I’m not as scared to be single as a lot of guys who marry 7s out of a fear of “maybe there isn’t anything better out there…in a world of almost 7 billion people, maybe there isn’t a better girl out there” lol

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      • lol

        “I’m just more realistic about how rare those girls are than most of society who is all convinced that all their female friends are perfect 10s”

        See embracingourfemininity’s comment right above mine for an example of this phenomenon. Thanks for the demonstration lol

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 3:36 pm Zombie Shane

        EOF is describing a guy who was SMART ENOUGH to realize what he had, and who sealed the deal FOR ALL ETERNITY.

        Again, if you ever meet one of these fairy-tale chicks, then MARRY HER.

        ‘Cause he who hesitates is lost.

        PS: To the best of my knowledge, personally I have never met one.

        At least not for sure.

        There was one chick whom I vaguely knew in graduate school, kinda from a distance, but I never got to know her well enough to say for sure if she was “All That”.

        [I was a nice guy who was doing his best to stay loyal to his evil witch of a girlfriend, and never made a real move on that other chick, although the chemistry was certainly there…]

        Since then, though, nada…

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 9:04 pm haunted trilobite

        Lacerating female judgement of other females, honed through years of watching America’s next top model, and beauty pageants

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    • It gets really subjective at the 8 and 9 level. A lot of it has to do with make-up and clothing, which it shouldn’t, but does. Men aren’t going to agree either, one man’s high 9 might be another guy’s 7. Also, there is the face and body divide. The actress who played “Rita” in Dexter (Julie Benz) has a high 9 face, IMO, but only a 6 body.

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    • amy–Only an 8 for me because she doesn’t have long, slender elegant legs, and, I hazard, soulful big, feminine eyes. She looks working class, but a vigorous and sweet example of the type.

      As another webtard mentioned, if she had elite genes she wouldn’t have ballooned to 200. Would have been too smart or too biologically lard resistant.

      I think we’re talking bell curve here, not deciles. In other worlds, top 10% in looks does NOT get you a 9. More like 1/100 at most.
      A woman really has to typically be at least 5’6″ or 7″ to have adequately long legs to be _really_ beautiful.

      There are exceptions at about 5’4″ or 5’5″ if they are real outliers with disproportionately long legs.

      THIS looks expensive:

      http://keeppy.com/attachment.php?id=10584

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      • Well, actually height doesn’t necessarily have to do with how long a girl’s legs are. Long legs mean your bottom half is longer than your top half. Well-proportioned girls have longer legs. Of course, legs also have to be slender and shapely, which this girl doesn’t possess, and it’s why she has to be graded downward for that. I think CH was right to grade her a 7.5

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      • I like her legs. I love hyperextension because it accentuates curves (as opposed to straight legs). I like the extra thickness in the calves. I also don’t think has a long torso and short legs. She seems to have normal proportions. In the 124 pic, she reminds me a bit of Jenifer Lawrence.

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      • Well, I don’t like too many curves on women. I like the late teen look better.

        And, I don’t like her type of legs at all. They are short and stumpy.
        Check this out:
        http://before-and-after-pictures.tumblr.com/post/23555611439/crissfit-heres-another-photo-to-illustrate-my

        In fact, you have prettier legs. You’re short at 5 feet, yet you have long slender legs (according to a couple of your old pics). This is what I meant by a short girl can have long legs (in proportions to her height, of course).

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      • I have long legs but I don’t like it so much because they are not in proportion to my torso, I would love to have a beautiful long torso, I think it looks so feminine and pretty.

        Lily when I say curves I don’t mean fat.. curves for me is a slim waist, and good sized breasts and hips. Wouldn’t you say normally teens have that? I think my body was developed around age 16, I haven’t noticed any change in proportions since that time. I just turned 23 last month, and my niece who is 16 has grown into a body quite similar to my sister and I.. except they are taller, my sister is 5’9 and her daughter is 5’9, and she’s very slim, but the curves are definitely there. I think as we age we just have to work more to keep slim so that we still have those curves. When weight gain occurs and women get chubby we are not curvy anymore.. we are just round like a ball. Some women don’t really get curvy though, they have the model type of body, kind of angular, flat chested with narrow hips. Clothes look great on them though and they have good legs, is that the kind of body you mean you like?

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      • “Lily when I say curves I don’t mean fat.. curves for me is a slim waist, and good sized breasts and hips.”

        Big breasts are beautiful, but they also sag faster. Between big saggy boobs and small perky boobs, I’ll take the latter. Mine are cup B, so hopefully they won’t sag when I grow older.

        Also, with hips, curves should come from bone structure, not too much meat, because hips that are too curvy will end up pudgy, as you get older.

        “Some women don’t really get curvy though, they have the model type of body, kind of angular, flat chested with narrow hips. Clothes look great on them though and they have good legs, is that the kind of body you mean you like?”

        Kind of, but not exactly. For one, I don’t like women that are too tall. I don’t think it’s feminine. Second, having the body of a panel isn’t hot either. I like in between. Some curves, but not too much, because too much will turn into cottage cheese/cellulite. That’s why I mentioned the teenage body. It’s curvy, but not too curvy; you don’t see too much roundness.

        As far as legs, long legs in girls are hot, and we don’t have to be tall to have them. Short and average-height girls have them too, just as tall women have short legs too. Long legs depend on how you’re built, not how tall you are.

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      • “hips that are too curvy will end up pudgy”

        Image search “Betty Weider”.

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      • She has a beautiful body.. that is what I meant by curvy.

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      • Who the hell is Betty weider?
        ______________________

        Another reason I like the teen look is that it suggests innocence, a girl who hasn’t fully mature yet; an inexperienced girl. Curvy, looks too much like a mature woman who has been around. I think women should always strive to look and act innocent, even if we’re the biggest hos with our men.

        These visual cues work deep within the subconscious, and they’re often the main perceptions about a girl.

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      • You have good taste. I agree about the “weight propensity” genes. And sadly, I agree about height correlating to long legs. I get occasional compliments on the shape of mine, but they aren’t long. At 5’4″, I have yet to meet a woman my height with really nice, long legs.

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      • This woman is at most a 7. She’s probably like a 6.5-7 —- which is really good. 8’s = women all the best guys at your local club are chasing hard. 9’s and over are either a) getting paid for their beauty (either directly or incidentally) or b) being romanced by celebrities of one kind or another. The social circles they roll in are pretty exclusive.

        8+ = top 1% of women.

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      • Sorry to butt in, but isn’t Kate Middleton the perfect woman you guys are trying to describe?

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      • No.

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      • Well if the next king of England can’t get the perfect wife, what chance do you have?

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      • The perfect woman would be more than just beautiful. Personality traits and disposition count —- femininity, kindness, etc — in LTR’s. So it’s quite possible that the Prince did get his perfect woman.

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    • An 8 does look great. The reason she’s “only” in the 7–8 range is because there are still a lot of girls who are noticeably prettier.

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  9. The progression of attire makes a huuuuuge difference as well. Gone are the crappy shorts and sloppy looks – in is a hot red dress and heels.

    Yes please.

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  10. Posted to my FB wall…

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  11. Note that a lot of what makes the 124 picture so great is that’s the only one where she’s actually wearing something feminine. That dress and heels by themselves would have helped at least up to the 140 picture.

    Compare that to the horrific clothes in the first few pictures. Ick!

    [CH: No the problem was mostly her fatness. Dress helps, but only a little.]

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    • Fat girls really can’t wear nice clothes – nice clothes simply aren’t cut for fat girls, and even if they were, they’d still look like shit. So from the perspective of a fat girl, why not stick with the jeans and maternity top and leave it at that?

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    • In the clothes she is wearing in the 150 picture she would be smokin’, at 124. You don’t notice that the clothes are feminine because. . . they’re on a fat girl.

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      • Agreed. 197 and 132 is more or less the same thrown together shorts and t-shirt with totally different effects vis a vis male desire.

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm Zombie Shane

        I actually like her hair and her smile best in the 132 pic.

        If she could take that hair and that smile and put it on the 124 body, then you just couldn’t ask for a whole helluva lot more than that.

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 4:35 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Ask and ye shall receive, as we Christians say.

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    • If she tried that over 140lb it would backfire like lip stick on your uncle Bob. The appropriate fashion is mothballed in drop cloths and tarps with a vapor barrier in summer.

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  12. on August 1, 2013 at 10:05 am Customer Service

    It’s funny how if I had to give a number to rate the girl, my number would be EXACTLY the same as the numbers posted. Beauty is objective.

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    • Like everything in the biological world, there would be a bell curve of mens rankings, but the fat part of the curve would sit right where Heartiste put it..

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm depressed_danny

      When I first saw that picture, my first thought was “She went from a 2 to an 8”.

      Maybe the only thing men can truly agree on, without prejudice or debate, is how bangable chicks are. They should implement a beauty contest at the UN; I bet it’d get countries like Israel and Iran finally agreeing over something.

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      • The fact that a hundred random men can largely agree on where an individual woman sits on the 1 to 10 female beauty scale but can’t agree on whether PC or Mac is better suggests that beauty has a more objective basis in reality than does CPU speed or operating system specs.

        Heh.

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  13. That girl is a HARD EIGHT at 124 lbs. Would bang enthusiastically.

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  14. It pains me to think how many hotties are hiding under a coat of lard. So much untapped potential….

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  15. more big media attack on white people. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1723166-riley-cooper-caught-on-tape-saying-racial-slur-at-concert?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t3

    every single black NFL player makes racial slurs against whites 73 times a day, every day

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    • When are people going to realize to NEVER APOLOGIZE! Fuck.

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      • “every single black NFL player makes racial slurs against whites 73 times a day, every day”

        So because they stew in filth…whitey has to do the same thing?

        The kid set an example by apologizing for what he said. Perhaps other races should take note. Then the government can’t use race baiting anymore.

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      • That’s all fine and well, but I think the whole “magic word” affair is absolutely ridiculous and it would do us all well not to go along with the public floggings.

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      • I agree. Cooper was wrong and needed to apologize. He shouldn’t talk about it after this, though.

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      • The kid set an example by apologizing for what he said.

        Hardly. He apologized out of intimidation for a non-racist, heat-of-the-moment use of an intrinsically verboten talismanic word.

        This, like Paula Deen’s ordeal before his, is a preposterous joke of a social directive. Cooper should have stood his ground. That would have “set an example.”

        The pioneers will have to pledge their fortunes, then their sacred honor, then their lives. Somebody is going to have to eventually stand up to the mob and unapologetically survive it, with light prevailing through the temporary heat, even if that means sacrificing a career, fame, and livelihood.

        Cooper’s cave-in is ultimately disappointing. I may wear his jersey anyway, just as I have Penn State and Duke Lacrosse shirts, just as I make it a point to stop at Chick-fil-a. It’s not an attempt at cheap grace so much as it is signalling support for those who get attacked by today’s hypermob, and to remind them that all you need is consistency and resilience to make the haters demonstrate their loud impotence. (Not unlike the Minter frenzy that just happened in certain quarters of this “community.”) The intimidation by the minority — at best 25% — of the entire populace ends when we have our “I am Spartacus” moment. (I am Niggacus?)

        I swear … sometimes it seems like we are all going to have to tattoo nigger to our forehead before we collectively transcend the stupid superstition attached to it. How quickly we cower before a paper tiger.

        Matt

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      • If you had to go out on a football field with 200 something pound black guys, you’d apologize also.

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 5:01 pm Steve Johnson

        That you think that is why you’re weak and stupid.

        Apologize your way to respect. Good strategy.

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  16. I’m going to insult CH for presenting this truth. Truth offends the weak…and my response is an insult.

    Just kidding…I’m doing the male version of what red did. I’m probably the 140 version now.

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  17. Look at the face: only at 124 she has the confidence to look seductively into the camera whereas before she is confined to the dorky, goofy face because of her fatness. Like I’m taking this picture but you can’t make fun of me because it’s only a joke, see my goofy smile.

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  18. on August 1, 2013 at 10:36 am logicwontgetmelaid

    Note the change in thigh, face, and arm definition from 132lbs to 124lbs. Those last 8 lbs really made a vast difference. Powerful motivation to for those gals right in the uncanny valley between chubby and skinny.

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    • 100% This! It is -amazing- what that last 10lb. difference on a female frame can make. Wouldn’t look twice at her ‘cept for the last shot in which I would smash and try to make a beautiful ginger baby to repopulate Caucasians… (got off on a little tangent there)

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  19. This girl has a round face and appears to store fat pretty evenly all over her body. She absolutely cannot have a attractive face unless she’s at 124. Having a natural hourglass like she does gives her a little more room to maneuver below the neck, but her face needs to be lean. I pity the women who are at a decent weight but have an ugly shape that losing weight could never overcome.

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  20. If this girl had the discipline to lose 73 pounds, she might just have the discipline to keep it off, especially if it really made a positive difference in her life. Yeah, most people gain weight back, but it’s only about one in a hundred fat people who could lose that much in the first place. I’m a glass half full kind of guy.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 10:52 am RappaccinisDaughter

      Plus, she’s young. It’s easier to break bad habits when you’re young.

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    • read her blog, she follows a modified low-carb low-sugar diet. I bet she can keep the weight off for at least 10 years.

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  21. That’s Criss Gets Fits (Google it). She’s probably not an 8.

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    • I’d give her an 8 for the effort.

      Don’t tear down a good case.

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      • When men look at her, they don’t see her history. They don’t care how far she’s come. They just see what is there now.

        I’ve lost more than she has, though I still have a long way to go to get to where I look like myself, but I know of what I speak in this. Guys are surprised when I show them the old four chins pics. I don’t ask them if they could love or value that woman because I know the answer.

        I’ve accepted that guys don’t really care much about our inner world. I don’t know if they should.

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      • Take that picture that you won’t show anybody because it kills you a little bit inside to think you looked like that – you know the one – laminate it, and affix it to your refrigerator door with some magnets. Nothing motivates like disgust.

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      • That only works if you’re a sheep or serious overeater of the insanely disordered kind, who hated themselves when they were fat. I loved myself. I just didn’t know how to feed myself properly, so I accepted my fate just like anyone else with disabilities, and did what I thought I had to do to survive. So later, I found out that many of the problems I had were solvable through nutrition, and I still love myself. I also love who I was then because whatever others thought about me, I was doing the best I could and the whole world could go fuck itself.

        I never asked the world to like me. This is not what my confidence rests on. So long as it stayed out of my way and wasn’t messing with me too much, I was fine. Probably exceptional, but I didn’t have too many social problems directly related to being fat.

        What works for me is looking to the goal. I don’t want to be skinny. That reminds me more of a time I hated my life because then I was always being underestimated. Guys took liberties they shouldn’t. So I lifted weights until I looked like a boy with boobs.

        Dude with boobs is where I would like to be again…a 175 lbs. tank.

        My point is that now that I am closer to my goal of not only being, but looking legitimately physically intimidating and less like a big cuddly softie, and thanks to good genes, I don’t look too old, I’m attracting the kind of guys I like. Those guys might enjoy a roll in the hay with a bigger girl, but at the end of the session, that lifestyle and theirs would not be compatible.

        That girl wouldn’t just be able to get her boots on and go if the guy got a wild hair to go to the forest or go swimming someplace that might require a bit of climbing. They couldn’t share that scenery with that girl.

        …and they don’t give a rat’s ass about what it took for me to transform from that girl to this girl. In a way, except to help others, I don’t much either. So looking backwards doesn’t help me. I’m looking forward to that girl who can keep up reasonably well with a rock climber I’ve had my eye on.

        Looking back might help others, but that’s them.

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      • I am very interested in “doing” a colored girl. The ones i’d wnat would be young,feminie and very sexy and sweet. Shapely,not fat. And not one who might be mistaken for a dude! Any advice for this Pale Male on bedding a caramel beauty??

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      • I’m sorry, my thing was intended for girls who don’t want to look fat. You’re fine just the way you want to be, btw.

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      • Well, you are right in the general sense. I believe that people who can’t handle the consequences of being different should conform.

        I am a freak, and I like it. I do not use myself as an example of how all women should be.

        I resented being a kind of feminist postergirl in my teens for doing something I needed to do because of a problem they caused.

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      • Darius, just understand that the feminine African women very likely have very strong male role models in their life. They will cut your nuts off for “bedding” her, and may kill or at least beat the crap out of her.

        You may get lucky and catch one in her rebellion month, and be the guy who breaks her heart who she can never speak about.

        So go hard or go home…or hire a prostitute. Those of us who are aware enough to avoid the western fugly are also avoiding the western cock carousel.

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      • “I’ve accepted that guys don’t really care much about our inner world. I don’t know if they should.”

        If men cared more about their inner world…they would care more about yours.

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      • Dude, that’s beautiful. You should write a rom-com or something.

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      • Only in my story…the girl gets the guy.

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      • Truth. This is the arena of philosophers, artists, and older men though.

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      • Ha ha ha. I likes a healthy woman!!!

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      • (((fist bump)))

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 3:41 am AnonymousBosch

        “I’ve accepted that guys don’t really care much about our inner world. I don’t know if they should.”

        As a former teenage chubster, I can’t say any women ever showed any concern for my inner world either. They’d frequently instigate men to fight with me purely to shit test them for dating purposes, enjoying their petty little moments of power.

        I’m glad it happened. It made me a mentally-strong, muscled-as-fuck bastard who doesn’t take shit from anyone, and it opened my eyes before I entered the dating world as to just how evil and solipsistic women are, and how they use brainless men as tools for their own interests without any regard for them as human beings, often purely because they’re simply *bored* and want some drama in their lives since they lack the agency or internal life to actually think of something better to do with themselves to improve their situation, and, especially, understand that there will be no consequences for their actions simply because they possess a vagina.

        So, when I see a woman on a site like this, I don’t wonder about her Inner World, because it’s the same as every other women’s: invade a male-focused space to attention whore by always stating your opinion from the woman’s side of things so it becomes all about THE FEELS.

        – the paragraph that starts ‘When men look at her…’ I instantly know you’re about to make this All About You;

        – “I’ve lost more than she has…” Attention-whoring to raise your status by pointing out the woman everyone is saying is now an 8 hasn’t lost as much as you. Could your status now be above hers?

        – “I’ve accepted that guys…” Emotional manipulation to try to engender sympathy and possible White Knight defense.

        FUCK.

        THAT.

        SHIT.

        Congratulations on losing the weight, but don’t try and pretend that women are any less vicious in their estimation of overweight men as worthless.

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      • I can’t help being female, but I can say, and you can ask anyone who was in school with me, that I’d have been in your corner.

        I would also be the last to say that women aren’t vicious. The same kind of girls would get their boyfriends and guys who wanted to shag them to pick on me because they were scared to. Eventually, the boys were just as afraid of me.

        I am not, nor do I claim to be a good example of womanhood in general, or what women should strive to be. This is exactly the reason I would be in your corner. I don’t think most people should give a shit about us. We’d be weaker if they did.

        War is the crucible of supremacy.

        The world is what it is. We can do what we can to make it more survivable and better in some ways, but some ways that it sucks need to be there. Some challenges we need in order to develop.

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  22. on August 1, 2013 at 10:52 am Lucky White Male

    Congratulations in order for CH and Manosphere:

    Looks like Hugo Shyster has choked on his own hypocrisy

    The Eternal Lesson: the Whole World, starting with the Left, operates on a ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ philosophy

    http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2013/08/alas-poor-hugo.html?m=1

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    • This has fuck all to do w/ this topic, but thanks for the update I guess…

      Secondarily, he is a Priest. All Religion works like this. Pastors, Ministers, Priests, etc. preach the Gospel which is currently the Gospel of Multicult / Progressivism from the Pulpit of the Cathedral.

      In back rooms, they fuck young women and diddle little boys. Did you think our current Religion would be any different than any religion from time immemorial? Think again…

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    • I for one am glad he had an extramarital affair. It makes him seem more manly and human. I mean, his wife is so ugly, can you blame him for being enticed by a 27-year old? I say, more power to him.

      Anyway, he’s just a stupid hypocrites who ended up succumbing to his most natural animalistic masculine nature. Even stupid Hugo couldn’t rise above himself and transcend his male nature in order to practice what he preached (when he had an ugly wife at home). He needs to STFU already.

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      • but it wasn’t even an affair in real life, it was entirely virtual.

        he did not get the bang!

        lmfao

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      • Oh really! I guess, he was afraid of dyky wify a little too much to pursue in RL.

        Just when you think this guys can’t get any more pathetic, he proves you wrong once more.

        So, he’s ending his “career” and embarrassing himself over virtual sex? He must have been desperate. It seems there is a lot of this going on these days.

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  23. I think she’s sort of bangable anywhere from 155 to 124 depending upon what else is around or one’s mood and taste for the variety that is fat girls, but the difference is that a bang at 155 is for novelty and kept a tight secret and 124 is introduced to your friends, coworkers, and other people you respect and is a LTR candidate.

    Unless she got some real good makeover advice at 124, I’m going to guess that she was a hot, slim-ish girl in high school and fell off the ledge in college, gaining a tremendous amount of weight over a few years of endless beer and pizza and television watching with the sorority sisters, only later to wake up disgusted at herself and recapturing the look of yore. The 197 picture background just screams junior year dorm room to me. It is unusual but not unheard of for fat girls to have good fashion/beauty sense – most land whales simply don’t care enough to do the effort for minimal return. I’d like to see her senior prom picture to prove or disprove my thesis.

    I’ve seen plenty of slim to normal girls entirely unable to handle the endless food of the college mealplan, partying with beer and junk food, and the new sedentary lifestyle that is college for most people, coupled with the “accept everything as equally good” constant hum that fills the heads of college kids nowadays.

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  24. WB. She’ll ride the carousel for a couple of months, land a greater beta, and gain it all back for good in her first pregnancy. Perhaps she’ll lose some of it again to check out later with cash and prizes.

    .

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  25. Before and after pics in bra and panties:
    http://weheartit.com/entry/23147399

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  26. Whoa. Back up. How do we know this isn’t just a reversed presentation of her descent into obesity?

    The regularity with which CH gets duped by internet trolling is distressing. Like the last post of the gamer stereotype — though I can’t prove it, you’ll just have to take my word for it — my skepticism was alerted by the second “Idunno … Idunno.” The precisely worded turns-of-phrase (nobody who hasn’t rehearsed comes up with non-stuttering delivery of “tiny wines” and “raven tresses,” much less pulls out a tiny wine like a prop thereafter!) and the interviewtrix’s deadpan non-reaction were inductive confirmations.

    I’m not saying the fatty progression is necessarily a hoax. But skepticism is the better part of internet investigation. It is always warranted.

    I say CH’s credulity is distressing because he is otherwise sharply observant. But there seems to be a disconnect between the what he observes and the final knowledge of the observed, the gap otherwise known as analysis. He is great on the material, efficient, and even formal causes while bafflingly gullible about the final causes of things. The wages of unconscious postmodernism.

    Matt

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    • Does it really matter? So what if the gamer was a fake? So what if the girl gained, instead of lost weight? Are the points that he was making any less valid? Fat girls CAN jump five points by losing weight. And our society HAS churned out a generation of nerdy, feminized omega males who have absolutely no chance of knowing what it’s like to make love to a woman. If these examples are false, there are still plenty of real life examples out there to back up his claims…

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      • Aha. The “Fake But Accurate” defense. A sure sign of the descent from plain truth-speaking to ideological defense at all costs.

        Of course the point still stands. But it calls into question the investigation process, gullibility, epistemology, and fealty to ideology above truth. True believers do not find this distressing in the way independent thinkers do.

        Matt

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      • Touche’… this alleged red-pillers don’t even realize when they’re acting as keystones for the Cathedral’s arches.

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    • It’s like CH is a pro at realworld but new at internet.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm depressed_danny

      So maybe this girl gained all that weight instead of losing it, and the pictures are in the wrong order. Would that make the end message any different in the slightest?

      Skinny girls = way hotter.

      We’re discussing attractiveness, not studying the shroud of Turin. We don’t need to put on our Holmes hats and scrutinize the internet to find out if she lost or gained, especially since it is irrelevant to the articles conclusion.

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    • Whoa. Back up. How do we know this isn’t just a reversed presentation of her descent into obesity?

      She has a blog, so it would appear to be going the right way.

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      • I did a cursory search and saw her Tumblr was deleted, where most of the pics seemed to originate. I see she got a WordPest blog since, though it has been abandoned since early 2012.

        I am promoting skepticism as an intellectual prophylactic. It makes one’s thinking generally more sound and less assailable, which is especially important when we’re promoting a controversial thesis that relies on simple truth-telling and attracts haters with short-attention spans.

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    • Looks like we have another internet romance brewing: Matt King and Feministx.

      Here’s one of Matt’s recent comments at Fem’s blog:

      _________

      ….this most essential advice is not emphasized enough in girl game. It’s what I told Kate of l’affaire Minter long ago, by the way. It’s what I told Petite Olive, what I told Maya, what I told … It is what I tell the girls and women I know. It is universally applicable, no matter how old you are.

      A woman on her own simply cannot navigate her own hypergamy. It is nearly certain she will steer herself into tragedy, left to her own devices. It’s why FemX yearns for daddy, replaces him with old men, mixes her sexuality into her striving for manliness. She needs a man who loves her but not sexually, whom she can trust, whom she is devoted to, whose advice she will follow implicitly.

      FemX has a brother, but is he patriarchal enough to rise to the occasion? Younger brothers can play this role as adults, but obviously it is harder to overcome the age hierarchy. I am big brother to many women, young and old, married and unmarried. (One risks a residual “incestuous” attraction playing this role, which must be handled, but that is a topic for another day.)

      My love has a clarity and a purpose, and it is all in a single direction, giving, never taking. Which is how I can readily say I love FemX without confusing it the way she and the rest of our hypersexualized culture does. That kind of love does not have to be exclusive or jealous, and there is absolutely no end to the supply. It is eternal…

      ________

      You heard it here first: Matt King loves Feministx. And there is absolutely no end to the supply……

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    • How do we know this isn’t just a reversed presentation of her descent into obesity?

      Then that’s on her.

      If she wants to be 194…that’s her problem. If she wants to be 124, I’ll become her problem.

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    • Because girls who were hot don’t post progress pics on their way to 197. They hide them.

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    • Exactly, these are her hot single to after one year of marriage photos.

      Stick a ring on it boys.

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  27. Nichole,
    “I’ve accepted that guys don’t really care much about our inner world. I don’t know if they should.”

    Your inner life is a lot like other various innards – you don’t want just anyone poking around there, anyway. Anyone, male or female, who pretends to care too much about your inner life too quickly is either a psycho or a scammer.

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  28. “But there seems to be a disconnect between the what he observes and the final knowledge of the observed, the gap otherwise known as analysis. He is great on the material, efficient, and even formal causes while bafflingly gullible about the final causes of things.”

    Examples?

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  29. I think some women who are born with large characteristics can be hot. They are not super models but they have feminine curves. Actual fat is a turn off for me too.

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    • Incredible, she advises women to lift weights. Squats, bench press, deadlift no less. Smart cookie.

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  30. One hopes the pictures aren’t in reverse order, which would be depressing. It’s amazing the difference 132 to 124 makes, a mere 8 pounds.

    She’s still heavier than my wife.

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  31. I fuckin hate to see fat chicks with “fashion sense”. Wearing those little slippers with bloated feet and ankles make me just want to drop kick tanya tubbo the instant I see her waddling down the street.

    With all those pretty colors and textures on a goddam flesh baloon.it just makes me so angry because when I see a hotter chick in a similar outfit I am instantly reminded of the grotesque caricature that offended me earlier.

    Hey fat asses…stop drawing attention to yourselves….your a goddam fat ass fucktard…..cover up or you might get tranq’d and hauled back to the wildlife preserve..

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  32. I give her a 6 now. She’s bangable, but that’s it.

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  33. I’ll give the 124lb a hard 8 given the accessorizing. This girl does well in heels since she isn’t too leggy. Flat footed at 132lb she is like a 6 to me.

    But I am not one to punish performance . Welcome back to humanity.

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    • I’d have banged her at 165 after a few beers. No call backs, but would have slept just fine afterward.

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    • agree , and saggy in the breast area, because she no longer has the fat or breast tissue to fill out the stretched skin. Maybe, due to her youth, the skin will bounce back. hope so.

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  34. I dunno, she looks adorable in the 155 picture, as long as she’s at least 5′ 8″. But that’s just my personal taste.

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  35. One of life’s greatest tragedies is seeing the opposite transformation happen. Especially in the span of 4 years at college.

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  36. on August 1, 2013 at 12:43 pm Stg58/Animal Mother

    The picture of her that Travis posted of her in her underwear is outstanding. She looks better in the pink underthings than she does in the red dress.

    /redhead obsession

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  37. on August 1, 2013 at 1:30 pm the latent sadist

    I feel kinda lost on this one, shes def more attractive but an 8? i dunno the pale as skin doesnt do it for me, and you know shes gonna have weird skin from all that fat loss. plus i aint into gingers

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    • Agreeance… I think this comes from 2 factors. 1) CH is uprating her for “losing another person”, which is a fucking -admirable- goal, and no small feat particularly for women with that whole lack of testosterone thing which makes trimming fat quite difficult.

      But 2) I think maybe he is looking at her as a “DC 8”?? Which makes her an LA 5 or a Anywhere 6.5. This is my theory. Hard 8 is a stretch, for certain… but again plus 0.5 just for shedding the unborn siamese twin who was still attached to your living body.

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  38. She never embraced her fattitude by getting a tattoo, the flesh is intact.

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  39. on August 1, 2013 at 1:45 pm Dr. Zoidberg

    She looks good, but is gonna have crazy leftover stretch marks when you get her neggid.

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    • Hey, it’s the Air Force… they had Brony Squadrons even before there was such a thing as My Little Pony. llozozozlzlzozozlzlzozozlzlzl

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  40. on August 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm depressed_danny

    Yay! I inspired a post; where can I collect my internet dollars?

    Seriously though, despite the fact that we all know she’s finally getting all those alpha pump n’ dumps her old chubby self desired, I sort of feel bad for this girl.

    She had the looks all her life, she just chose to bury them under s****y choices. I’m assuming that she finally got the gumption to lose it at 18-21, since that’s about how old she looks in those after pictures. Which means that she lost out on a lot of teenage adventures, including teenaged romance. Now she’s fresh into the sexual market place, highly desirable with a dearth of real experience about sex and relationships, dealing with cads like us who already know how to work women like a steam engine. Or imagine how different her life would have been if she had been that good looking since being a kid? Maybe she was destined to be the next great actress? The next great architect? Unlikely yes, impossible to know, but having been fat means that those doors, if available to her, never opened and never will. There’s a great sense of loss around this chick, and a lot of ‘what ifs…?’

    Good on her for losing it though and becoming a human being again, but I can easily see her being a bit of a bitch/cynical person now that she’s undoubtedly being treated like a piece of meat and realizing that all these guys still aren’t interested in ‘her’, just in her body.

    Meh, whatever. I’d still do it, shining example to the rest of overweight America, etc. Plus redhead? All shades turn me into a wild man.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm Hugh G. Rection

      but I can easily see her being a bit of a bitch/cynical person now that she’s undoubtedly being treated like a piece of meat and realizing that all these guys still aren’t interested in ‘her’, just in her body.

      Very insightful. I hope she can make peace with the fact that that’s just how men are. Worst thing she can take from this is that now she can treat any beta like shit and he’ll lap it up.

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    • On this note, if a girl mentions to me that she used to be ugly or fat or have braces or whatever, I’ll often share my story about how I was an anti-social nerd growing up and we’ll bond over how other people got to experience a lot of things that we missed out on. Usually these chicks have a pretty good attitude in general because they wasted enough of their life missing out and being negative about themselves.

      They’re always amazed when I tell them that I had to actively work at growing into someone who’s social, out-going, positive and flirty, because they never really thought about how beta male incels go through the same shit except that they don’t have a support group (like all of society telling them they’re still beautiful)…they get either “man up” pep-talks about how they should just suck it up, insults (“you didn’t get laid? lol what a faggot”), and depressing pity (“some guys have it, some don’t, guess you’re just one of the unlucky ones, o well good luck with that”). The girls don’t realize that beta males get basically swept under the carpet by society…stuff like M3’s incel post are the first glimpses a LOT of people (men AND women) have at seeing “ohhh, you mean those invisible men I never really thought about and don’t exist to me have feelings and frustrations too?”

      Just some observations from the field. Part of why I like talking to new people is learning stuff like this about them, whether I want to bone them or not lol (and if I DO want to bone them, this is a ridiculously powerful comfort/rapport builder)

      Good on this chick, regardless of whatever the pointy elbow crowd thinks.

      And of course the obligatory Tyler vid on this subject:

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    • “Good on her for losing it though and becoming a human being again, but I can easily see her being a bit of a bitch/cynical person now that she’s undoubtedly being treated like a piece of meat and realizing that all these guys still aren’t interested in ‘her’, just in her body. ”

      When I was a teenager, I was a bit crazy and told my dad “Hey, if I become fat, will all the creepy shallow men ignore me? Will the guy who falls for me then, love me for me?”

      And I drew a picture of a fat girl, how I wanted to look like. It looked kind of like this girl at her fattest, or slightly less fat.

      Dad said “No, if you look like that, men will still be attracted to you”
      Damn!

      (and then I found out it’s true. It’s you’re that fat, you’ll be loved by cute chubby-chaser betas).

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  41. At 124, it’s obvious that she has such a good personality! It’s just so hard to see under all that blubber.

    Here is my proposal: We all know that college is a waste of money for everyone who isn’t in a STEM field. So about about this. Instead of college, most plebeians go to a more classy version of ‘fat camp.’ To remove the stigma associated with ‘fat camp, rebrand it as ‘the camp to which people go and come back ridiculously in shape and good looking.’ Where girls go to get skinny and guys go to get buff. Think about it: even if you go like 12,000 into debt for a camp that lasts a year, how is that not worth it? You finally have a year of life where your main focus is physical health, something that will serve you well for all your life.

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    • Keanu bleated in philistine ignorance:” Here is my proposal: We all know that college is a waste of money for everyone who isn’t in a STEM field.”

      You’re right, as long as they are too ignorant to appreciate the works of art that make life worth living. You don’t really realize you’re a moron, do you?

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      • “You’re right, as long as they are too ignorant to appreciate the works of art that make life worth living. You don’t really realize you’re a moron, do you?”

        If you need college to appreciate art you’re fucking retarded.

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      • If you need college to appreciate art you’re fucking retarded.

        Either that, or you need college to appreciate modern “art”.

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      • “You’re right, as long as they are too ignorant to appreciate the works of art that make life worth living.”

        Oh whoops, I forgot how much real world value that art-history degree has.

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      • Yes, we don’t need cultural learning. Just boob jobs, SUVs, and Cristal for you.

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      • (((rimshot)))

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      • No on–I mean NO ONE,Frazier –who uses the term “philistine ignorance” is getting laid! (At least by anything remotely deserving of the name “woman”. ) You been exposed,nigga!! “You dont realize you’re a moron,do you?” I certainly DONT!! Ha ha!

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 4:25 pm Hugh G. Rection

      In Israel it’s called Boot Camp, or the draft (applies to both sexes). Last time I visited not a lot of fatties there.

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  42. on August 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm CAPSLOCK HUSTLA

    WOMEN SHOULD TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 140 AND 124. THOSE FINAL 16 LBS CONSTITUTE 90% OF THE IMPROVEMENT.

    IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS AN EXPONENTIALLY INCREASING MARGINAL BENEFIT TO EACH POUND LOST AS YOU APPROACH OPTIMAL WEIGHT.

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  43. Also her tumblr is pretty hilarious. Just one of the many, many memes she has posted about weight:

    “Weight does not dictate your worth.”

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    • If you’re able to get your head out of your ass and think from another POV, for her that was true. She believed in her ability to completely change herself, as evidenced by her success.

      This is not at all the same, to a non-moron, as someone who uses platitudes to remain the same sorry mess.

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    • “Weight does not dictate your worth.”

      A mystery, wrapped in an enigma, and squeezed into a skirt.

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  44. Surely there is picture evidence of this transformation in reverse. There are far too many girls i have known throughout the years that went the opposite direction…it is sad but all too common.

    There also seems to be an epidemic of otherwise attractive and bangable girls getting sleeve tats on their arms. It is depression to watch.

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    • ^ This

      I see girls with sleeve tats now like its some kind of disposable fashion accessory. Some of them are pretty hot too. Then I see the older, uglier ones and its just absolutely disgusting what they have done to their bodies. Maybe it looks cool to some people and the artwork can definitely be good.

      However the female body in its pristine, youthful in shape condition is a beautiful piece of art unto itself and never needed the graffitti defacing these stupid fuckin whores undergo.

      “oh but everyone is doin it!” Dumb cunts.

      It really is depressing to see these imbeciles celebrate being a goddam morlock.

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  45. The key point about Hugo, as CH knows, is he’s a Jew. Weiner. All ugly rodent joooz are like that. Disgusting horny omegas.

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    • Finally, the Subway Masturbator finds a lower form of life than himself. You get this week’s free poster of Mustache Boy so you can masturbate in your garage to the fantasized terrified screams of helpless, innocent men, women and children. You should be proud.

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      • …to the fantasized terrified screams of helpless, innocent men, women and children.

        You said the key word in “fantasized”… as opposed to the actual terrified screams of the helpless, innocent men, women and children… in Dresden.

        You hollow cost fairy.

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      • The Alamanian creep is back at it. He can’t overlook a comment involving the Joo. Still not getting laid, I see!

        And, fuck Dresden. They got punished by God, as they should be. Not shedding one tear over these evil people.

        FYI Anonymous, Hugo, while a despicable idiot, is not a Joo. He is a ¾ Gentile lefty. Gee, go figure. 😀 😆

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      • And, fuck Dresden. They got punished by God, as they should be. Not shedding one tear over these evil people.

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      • Ha ha ha…., I know it’s going to rile up the Alamanian.
        Watch him freak out. I love seeing him unhinged. It cracks me up.

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      • And, fuck Dresden. They got punished by God, as they should be.

        Yiddle me this, Ms. Yiddler:

        Who’s unhinged? Who’s riled up?

        LLOOZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZLZLZLZL

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm OralCummings

        “Not sheding a tear over those evil people.” Which is EXACTLY how people should feel about the jews! Lily you–and your tribe- are garbage. (BTW lots of your beloved jooze perished in Dresden. Oops! I guess THAT was bad,but the rest..)

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      • ….is not a Joo. He is a ¾ Gentile

        Chick math meets chick genetics.

        LLOZOZLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZLZLZL

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      • Live by the lie, die by the lie. Next year, in Jerusalem.

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      • Every racist troglodyte deserves their Mustache Boy Poster to facilitate garage masturbation. They grow quickly, their minds, like mushrooms, rooted in shit.

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      • Another tell of the YKW is their fixation with bodily functions.

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      • Always have be the last one to respond, eh? Sickly obsessed nutjob.

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      • Ach, Silly Lilly… I hate to have to post one more time, to belabour the obvious… but you seem to be upbraiding me for a trait so much more so exhibited by you.

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      • It’s true: they really love them some poop.

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      • The Dresden Holocaust…

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 6:43 pm OralCummings

        The jew laughs at the terror of others but whoa listen to her cry like a bitch.”WHERE IS GOD?? HOW COULD THIS BE??? sUCH EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL!!!!”

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      • Please I don’t need to be lectured by you, nutjob.

        The Ns killed close to 60-million people (only 6-million of them were Joos), and you and the rest of your Joo-hater friends only lament Dresden getting bombed by the allies? What about the 60 million innocent lives who got caught up in this horrible war started by godless evil people of the Germanic persuasion?

        I like Justice, and I know God delivered it right to the German’s door. The Germans got exactly what they deserved for starting that horrible war. Now, go fuck yourself together with Eliot. Oh, and refrain from posting any comments to me. I hate morally bankrupt stooges.

        “The jew laughs at the terror of others ”

        First, I’m not a J, and second I don’t laugh at others suffering, like you seem to do (as long as they’re Jooz). So, who’s projecting?

        Furthermore, I know Joo-haters such as yourself and Eliot can’t fathom the fact there are gentiles who stick up for the Jooz; gentiles who hate injustice. Not only that, I also like smart people who make our species evolve – scientists, inventors, artists – as opposed to white-trash envious toothless haters who cry over why all the Jooz control everything and they can’t even sell lemonade. Seriously, fuck off loser.

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      • Oh, and refrain from posting any comments to me.

        Honey Joo Joo hates it when she can’t have the last word.

        LLLOLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZ

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      • Hahaha…….. it’s more than obvious you’re obsessed with the joo, you’re obsessed with having the last word in all sub threads, and you’re obsessed with licking Matt King’s dick. You’ve been licking his dick in the “AMOG Tit Grab” thread nonstop, don’t you have any self-respect?

        No wonder many see you as a nutjob NZ. Also, I’ve observed that you’re not smart enough to notice and put a finger on your own behavior. It’s usually up to me to point out your habits and idiosyncrasies that get you so annoyed. LOL!!!! You get so annoyed you try to turn it around on me, as if I have these habits 😆 You act and sound like a retard who has nothing of value to say, except lolozz’s.

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      • Silly Lily, you truly are a poster child for denial, projection and self-unawareness.

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      • No, I know how to bait your ass, and you fall for it like the mindless simpleton you are. Sad!

        Tell me, don’t you have to plant more of your childishness? Get to work!

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      • Like I said in another thread, those who boast about “getting a rise” or “baiting” someone are merely admitting they’re aggravating assholes steeped in South Park chic… and disingenuous to boot, in that they always use that “got a rise out of you, ha!” stuff as a weak attempt at neener-neener one-upmanship after they’ve been taken to task for the inanity.

        Avaunt, you silly little twit.

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      • Obsessed much? 😆 😀

        Let me borrow your LLLOLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZ

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      • on August 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm Hugh G. Rection

        How about Stalingrad? That must have been been pure horror.

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      • All these wonderful parties take place when people dehumanize each other, I’m not an admirer of fire-bombing Dresden, Tokyo, or of gassing the Polish ghetto.
        The idea I am against is that things are solved by picking the right group of people to hate and kill. It hasn’t worked out well in the past.

        So Dregs, are you a Jewish Holocaust denier– you say “fantasized” screams”. Maybe all the Jews who were in Warsaw — and just diappeared–have descendants now living in Argentina? It’s important to find out how pea-brained you are.

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      • No one denies Jews died in WWII, Schlomo.

        My previous remark about “fantasized” was in reference to you and your ilk’s fantasies about what truly happened during said time period… and how the even greater terrors experienced by others not of your persuasion invariably get short shrift… or the unmitigated gall that goes beyond the usual suspect chutzpah in re “they deserved it!”, as witnessed by your cogdis compatriot.

        BTW, Cass Sunstein called… he wants a refund on the stipend he’s been shelling out to you and Silly Lily… for the dog’s breakfast you’re making of Cathedral shaming efforts… which only seem to be garnering adherents, and more vocal ones, for the anti-Cathedral factions.

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      • “My previous remark about “fantasized” was in reference to you and your ilk’s fantasies about what truly happened during said time period…”

        What truly happened? You don’t want to acknowledge what truly happened, you liar. All you and your ilk want to do is rewrite history. Except, people like us won’t let you. The moment you open your filthy lying mouths and spew your lies, we put a muzzle in it. No, you and your ilk will not rewrite history to reflect your lies.

        “and how the even greater terrors experienced by others not of your persuasion invariably get short shrift… or the unmitigated gall that goes beyond the usual suspect chutzpah in re “they deserved it!”, as witnessed by your cogdis compatriot.”

        What? How dare you? How dare you, filthy shitty piece-of-crap hate monger?

        That war was initiated by people of your persuasion; GERMANS. And they killed 60-million innocent people, not just Jooz. And yet, you keep trying to make it sound as if the bombing of Dresden wasn’t justified and on par with murdering 60-million people directly and indirectly by the Germans. Like hell it wasn’t justified. It was most justified, just like the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were justified. It stopped Japan from continuing that wretched war and from killing more people. Therefore, it was justified. Likewise, anything attempting to stop Hit-ler was justified.

        I like old-fashioned Biblical justice – you live by the sword, you die by the sword. And, justice always finds you somehow, some way, because God doesn’t let any infraction move past him without an appropriate response. So, Germany got exactly what it deserved. And if you continue to weep for Germany, you just might get the same response form God too. I would be careful not to mourn for the wicket too much, my Alamanian hypocrite.

        “which only seem to be garnering adherents, and more vocal ones, for the anti-Cathedral factions.”

        You’re still spinning, you liar? It’s the usual suspects that always get resentful why the jooz control everything – you, Matthew, OralCumming, and a couple of others who always show up when it’s time to refute the H-caust. Let’s be clear – the number isn’t growing, and what you’re doing is not anti-Cathedral, it’s anti-J. All of you are anti-j because you’re jealous, resentful, delusional, losers of the white-trash nationalist-movement persuasion who are usually of German descent and catholic (for some reason). Fuck you, neo-NZs. You’re all like Hit-ler – a white-trash unstable-loser whose mother was a ho and bore him out of wedlock. Ugh! An abortion would have been more appropriate in his sorry ass case.

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      • whatever happened to sdaedalus?

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      • Now, now… dearie… remember to stick to your story… the one about how I’m the one who is obsessed, aggravated, and a nutjob who has to get the last word.

        LLOOZOZLZLZOZOZLZLZOZOZLZLZOZOZLZLZL

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      • And……here we go like clockwork, you must plant the last word. Never fails. Face facts, you’re obsessed. You just responded to all 3 of my posts in a stupid manner, as you have nothing of value to say, yet you still feel compelled to plant something childish. Now let’s see if you have to respond to this too. I’ll be watching ya 😀

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      • Silly Lily, do expect to stick your overlong schnozz into these subthreads, spewing your cogdissery, and NOT be called an asshole for it?

        Especially considering it’s invariably started by you responding to a post of mine?

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      • You apples-to-oranges fairy.

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      • Lot of company men on this thread

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      • Idunno it’s like they can’t help themselves.

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      • Or the starving soldiers in the Eisenhower death camps.

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      • Note: A bit OT but the idea has been raised that Hitler (aka Moustache Boy) perceived quite rightly that the USSR ans its Red Army–which was justifiably proud of its diversity as it had many,many Jewish commanders.Not so many privates,tho.– intended to attack Europe. The boys did not have the logistics to support their Army cavorting over hill and dale,so the idea,they say,was to eat the food of the folks they conquered! Oh yeah,so what are the PEOPLE supposed to eat,huh? HUH? (Long silence) The sickle and hammer is the Ultimate Symbol of Evil,IMHFO<NOT the other thing–which I occ. spray paint in the mens rooms where I lurk…

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      • Is it just me? or is this one of the few “Hitler finds out” parities that has a prophetic sting to it?

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      • Just observe joo behavior dude. Do u live on this planet ?

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      • Anonymous drone: I have observed many Jews. . They dominate research in some of the most important medical fields, as well as make up a disproportionately large percentage of health care workers. You’d be squealing like a pig for Dr. Schwartz to help you if your racist corpse got a widdle splinter.

        They’re smarter than you, and they’re winning. Get used to it, and your own jealous mediocrity.

        What kind of construction company do you work for? You know, menial labor is honorable too, if you’re not smart enough for the professions.

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  46. This just underscores the truth about the sexual marketplace (SM) Heartiste’s concept of the SM is undeniably accurate. The SM is all about options. Those with options command the highest price. To have the most options, a man must have a good product (physical attractiveness) and good sales skills (game). Those with the most options are the most attractive with the best game. No different than selling cars. If you’re selling Mercedes, people are going to look, but they’re not going to buy unless you lead them to the sale. Sure, there might be one or two out of a hundred that will buy without being sold, but you’ve got to sell your product. Some products are easier to sell, some harder. A better product is always easier to sell than a shitty one, though a shitty one can be sold. That said, the sales approach for a man to a women is complicated and counter-intuitive. Being literal and logical doesn’t work. You must learn the game.

    I can testify. As a former obese and beta man, I can testify to the truth of the SM and effectiveness of game. I could never get laid even when I was married. No shit. I was too big of a pussy and I let myself go physically. I got divorced and was tossed into the SM. It was cruel. My money didn’t matter. My professional achievments didn’t matter. The stuff I owned didn’t matter. Despite my material riches, I was the equivalent of a begger on the street in the SM world. Unlike our bullshit socialist system, there wasn’t a safety net there to take care of me when I was turned out. Like pure capitalism, I had to make something out of nothing. I joined a gym. I stopped eating sweets and starches. I cut back on my drinking. I made friends with alpha guys. I took trips to interesting places, go current on pop culture. I went out, tried to land women, and more often than not, failed miserably. By not giving uo, placing my faith in myself and recognizing the SM is one of the last meritocracies, I started to see results.

    I was an obese, middle-aged bald guy with only the beginnings of game. I number closed 5’s and the occasional 6. No bangs. As I slimmed down from a BMI of 36 to a BMI of 26, the number of indications of interest from random women increased. After three months, lots of time on CH, reading game theory books, emulating my alpha friends, and practicing in the field, I brought home a 5 and banged her. A month later, I bagged a 6. Kept them going, and it made me less needy and more desireable. I started to have the look of a man with options. I lost more weight, gained muscle. By 6 months, I banged two more–both 6’s. At 9 months of competing in the SM, I added 5 more notches to my number ranging from 5-7. None were fat chicks. I have lots of room for improvement. I will be a slim, toned, shaven headed, mature, well-dressed, and charming bastard who is irresistably to women before its over. With a BMI of 19 and an “A game,” I have no doubt I’ll score regular 7’s and the occasional 8 or 9. Like anything else worth doing, winning in the SM takes a lot of damn work.

    The take away is this: The SM is real and it does permeate everything in life. Your SMV will determine how visible you are to everyone–men and women. You must work to compete. This is why fat chicks get left out. Lazy and entitled people do not succeed in the SM.

    In closing, Don’t be a pussy. The feminist view of what women want is a lie. Everything you’ve seen in Disney movies, most romantic comedies, etc. is utter Bullshit. Forget everything you know, take the SMV test and see where you need to improve. Read the manosphere. Get a sponsor. Find a guy who is successful with the ladies and become friends with him. Wing for him. Study him, then keep some friendly competition going. This is the way you, as a man, get better at any male endeavor whether its football or gaming chicks. Be a man and don’t give up–it can take months to begin to pay off appreciably. Once you hit the critical mass point, your gains become logarithmic and you will have more women than you can handle.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm Ternarydaemon

      Well done my brother. Which was your age when thrown into the SMV?

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    • Amazing post, and I’m glad that you realize that MONEY and CAREER do not the man make… it is why broke ass alpha cads can cuckold successful businessmen all day long. It was very heartfelt, and sincere, but long as fuck. Which makes me wonder if anyone else read it. I have an attention span much longer than your average American mouth-breather, but still… little long but congrats.

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      • it is why broke ass alpha cads can cuckold successful businessmen all day long.

        it is why broke ass alpha cads can cuckold beta businessmen all day long.

        There. Fixed that.

        Broke ass alpha cads often get the throw aways of rich alpha cads.

        Unless CH identifies as a broke ass alpha cad himself, he might want to make this type of correction himself, unless he honestly believes his financial success combined with his alphatude confers zero advantage at all over his poverty stricken friends.

        Without such corrections, the comment sections here will be like PUA Kindergarten or a pep rally with class warfare built in.

        It’s like “Lady Chatterley’s Lover” which was more pornographic for its unfair portrayal of the upper class as impotent and beta, than it was pornographic for its descriptions of sex. DH Lawrence didn’t have the guts to write in an alpha character who could have wiped the floor with the hero gardener.

        Not that I was specifically criticizing Jay from DC who presumably meant to say that it was just beta successful businessmen who were losers on the SM.

        Seriously CH, I realize that US and UK sexual harassment laws have completely destroyed the Mad Men culture of a now dead generation (and the previous 1000 generations before that), but are you going to let a new generation of young buck PUA students lose the collective memory of the perks of success, such as fucking your secretary, nanny and housekeeper before taking the mother of your children to the opera?

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    • I applaud you JR. If you ever witness a bar fight, I hope that you will cry “BY GOD! BY GOD! THAT KILLED HIM! AS GOD AS MY WITNESS, HE IS BROKEN IN HALF!”

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    • Props on stepping up and handling your shit instead of crying that the world “owes” you because you had a good career/education/etc.

      I legit feel bad for a lot of guys (friends etc) on the socially conditioned rat-race track who dedicate their entire early adulthood to climbing the corporate ladder and have no idea that there’s no hot girl waiting for them at the end of the rainbow like our Disney culture promised them. At the end of the day they’ll still need to learn game to land and/or keep that theoretical hottie…and that’s if they even MEET her, which if they spent their 20s working instead of having a social life, will be difficult.

      Glad you realized it was all under your control and that no one was going to fix your life except you. Massive props and good luck in the future…with your attitude, you’ll be slaying it.

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      • Some men spent their twenties in the military out in the desert. These are the ones who didn’t choose to build careers and game in their twenties (tough men can make up for lost time later). There’s no excuse for the guys who stayed home and got good jobs not to have learned game simultaneously except that there was no Internet to teach them until the last 10-15 years. The MSM and the feminized church were the real culprits in the betafication of the US before the Internet started saving men.

        I understand your zeal, Ya, because you probably see that 99% of the men around you in your feminist subculture are betas despite the fact that they could have used the Internet to learn to be otherwise.

        I, OTOH, live in a subculture where it’s more like 50%, a non-socialist environment. I don’t have your zeal to proselytize the basics because I have to assume (incorrectly apparently) that the average reader here knows the basics, just like the average guy around me in real life.

        In fact, I don’t WANT the men in my area getting more alpha. There are too many alphas here. There is no culture of sluts over 21 where I live because the alphas snare the best before that age. All the competition is for those below that age. Betas can easily marry the 22 year olds.

        There is no culture of financially independent career sluts that young PUAs can share among themselves as Tyler laughingly explained in a recent video where he was happy that a short black south african man had beat him to a target. That’s more or less a liberal view. Sharing is not a conservative trait.

        The world I know is where a virgin must choose wisely who the first guy she sleeps with will be and, if she chooses a bum with no cash, the alpha businessmen in her town will wish her a happy life alone with her bastard spawn.

        There is no concept that “I can ride the carousel with broke ass alphas until I’m 30 and then marry one of the many rich betas around here”.

        Where all the rich guys are alpha, women think twice.

        You apparently have no rich alpha businessmen friends, Ya, who live like the Mad Men executives fucking their secretaries, nannies and housekeepers as well as anyone they can game without the use of their wealth and power (maybe the actual series didn’t show this but it is what the real Mad Men would have been doing in the sixties). That would be because you live in the feminist US where sexual harassment laws made this lifestyle illegal 30 years ago.

        There’s no collective memory among young PUAs of how powerful men lived for most of history. The youngsters rationalize that we can all live with the feminist laws because, as you said in the other thread, anyone who fucks her boss is a “hooker” anyway. They don’t realize that most sex positive single women over 22 will have, even with the US harassment laws, fucked a man in her younger days who had power over her.

        You will be getting these “hookers” as sloppy twenty seconds. They include many of the best looking normal women around you.

        Before the sexual harassment laws took effect, I remember working in offices where the hottest young women on the planet would come out of the boss’s office sweating and adjusting their skirts and pantyhose.

        I’ll bet many young men reading this have never seen a hard nine who was just fucked by her boss right there in the office.

        Even CH is probably too young to know the pain of seeing the boss get what you wanted. Back then, the use of power wasn’t illegal. That’s one reason why men worked hard in their twenties.

        Nowadays, because of sex harassment laws, the opposite happens. I wanted to fuck a willing secretary around the year 2000 but I refused to do so because of the laws. I had to groan when, later, she came out of a utility closet with a 20 year old office boy sweating and adjusting her skirt and pantyhose. The feminists really have gotten their way in the US. I can imagine that all alpha rich guys head for Belize.

        Anyhow, Good Ole JR is already banging 7s which is about how well you’re doing now.

        Because his wealth is still a DHV, as an alpha he will probably start doing better than you if you are still in your mid thirties sharing an apartment with roommates and riding the bus, unless he decides to go ascetic and sell his Mercedes to impress the younger guys here.

        I can see him writing in two months to say that his newfound alpha behavior plus his great apartment were instrumental in landing him a 9.5 exchange student from Estonia who spends 4 nights per week with him and wants to marry him.

        You would then tell him that he’s sold out, that she’s a “third world hooker”.

        He’d reply that she was a virgin when he met her and you’re wrong to see PUA as a pro-feminist class warfare deal.

        And maybe you’ll just reply “LOL. Hooker fucker” to avoid an honest evaluation of how the world really works among men who are already alpha.

        Unless we can upgrade the IQ level of this forum and appreciate that game knowledge plus other resources (whether they be a better body made in the gym or a better apartment made by doing work) can make a difference above and beyond what just being a broke ass alpha can do.

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      • Red pill rich guys don’t really have to leave the US, but they will probably not mentor younger men with information that could get them sued. I’ve never seen an American comment anonymously on this forum that he’s ever fucked his secretary inside the US. If this forum existed 30 years ago, the comments of life experiences would be a lot different.

        If Good Ole JR ends up with a 9.5 Estonian exchange student wanting to live with him, I still wouldn’t recommend marriage or even giving her the keys because her looks can change in as little as 3 months, but that would be his call and it’s not why some might say he “sold out” as a PUA. They would say that he should have rejected her and pushed on in a quest to find and pump and dump a 9.5 American hybrid raised in feminism and less financially dependent after graduating from college, getting a job and committing herself to funding her own ride with alphas on the carousel.

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      • “There’s no excuse for the guys who stayed home and got good jobs not to have learned game simultaneously except that there was no Internet to teach them until the last 10-15 years.”

        Agreed. The biggest issue for a lot of men is that they simply didn’t realize it was something they COULD improve at…that it was a skillset that could be improved instead of an “you either have it or you don’t” mystical thing like most people are convinced. It’s like not knowing that exercise gets you in shape and then one day realizing that picking up a heavy object everyday has made you stronger. Mind-blowing.

        “I understand your zeal, Ya, because you probably see that 99% of the men around you in your feminist subculture are betas despite the fact that they could have used the Internet to learn to be otherwise.”

        On top of that, a lot of them are WILLINGLY beta. ie – they see there’s help out there and actively refuse it, and insult it. Like the fatty who says “diets don’t work” and “I read a study that calories in VS calories out is a myth” and then goes to McDonald’s and complains about being fat lol

        “I don’t have your zeal to proselytize the basics because I have to assume (incorrectly apparently) that the average reader here knows the basics, just like the average guy around me in real life.”

        So why are you here? What value are you offering?

        “In fact, I don’t WANT the men in my area getting more alpha. There are too many alphas here.”

        That’s a mindset of scarcity. If all the men around me were alpha, I would just look at it as incentive to become more alpha.

        “There is no culture of sluts over 21 where I live because the alphas snare the best before that age.”

        lol sure thing.

        “There is no culture of financially independent career sluts”

        This is the same “game only works on dumb bar sluts” shit that feminists say. For a guy who accuses me of being feminist-brainwashed, you’ve swallowed the Madonna/whore pill completely.

        “as Tyler laughingly explained in a recent video where he was happy that a short black south african man had beat him to a target.”

        lol ya, game recognizes game. Why do you look at other men as competition instead of comrades?

        “Where all the rich guys are alpha, women think twice.”

        They won’t want to marry the alpha bum, but they’ll fuck him on the side discreetly if he’s more alpha than they are.

        “You apparently have no rich alpha businessmen friends”

        lol I party with a bunch of rich people. I know a guy in his 20s earning over $1 mill/year.

        “Ya, who live like the Mad Men executives fucking their secretaries, nannies and housekeepers”

        No, the guys I know tend not to shit where they eat because they don’t have to. They can get girls elsewhere, they don’t need to pay girls to fuck them lol

        “as well as anyone they can game without the use of their wealth and power (maybe the actual series didn’t show this but it is what the real Mad Men would have been doing in the sixties).”

        lol that’s funny, because you just went into a long tirade about how the only women Heff fucked were his playmates on salary. Now you acknowledge that there are a ton of girls he’d have been able to bang without hiring them. Keep your attacks straight at least.

        “That would be because you live in the feminist US where sexual harassment laws made this lifestyle illegal 30 years ago.”

        We’re figuring out how to work around the system. Everything PUAs do goes against mainstream feminism and yet, we’re still here, and we’re still banging chicks without giving them commitment or taking them out to expensive dinners. We’ll keep going and we’ll figure out how to do longer-term arrangements, without paying, while other guys run off to EE to prey on hookers and average girls.

        “You will be getting these “hookers” as sloppy twenty seconds.”

        Madonna/whore complex. http://therationalmale.com/2013/07/24/left-behind/

        “Before the sexual harassment laws took effect, I remember working in offices where the hottest young women on the planet would come out of the boss’s office sweating and adjusting their skirts and pantyhose.”

        You say this stuff like it’s super cool, and I know it gives you a boner to type it, but I don’t know, that’s not an impressive thing. Wow, banging a girl who’s paid to be around you. Super. What’s next? Fondle a paralyzed woman? Fuck a corpse? High-five bro!

        “I’ll bet many young men reading this have never seen a hard nine who was just fucked by her boss right there in the office.”

        Jesus. You must blow a wad watching an episode of Mad Men hey. lol

        “I had to groan when, later, she came out of a utility closet with a 20 year old office boy sweating and adjusting her skirt and pantyhose.”

        Go get a different girl. Who the fuck cares? There’s another girl who looks just like her just up the street.

        “Anyhow, Good Ole JR is already banging 7s which is about how well you’re doing now.”

        You keep taking jabs at me, about things that you think I’ll care about, like what the girls I bang look like, or what their lay count is, or “you’re a faggot if you don’t fuck your maid”, or that I don’t have money, etc. etc. But you don’t understand that I don’t care about the things you’ve dumped your self-worth into: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/compendium-of-female-super-shit-tests/#comment-452271

        Like I get that you think it’ll get to me, and I AM responding, so I mean technically that’s just feeding into your weird ego trip, but I actually agreed with your first points and I give credit where its due. Your comments legitimately don’t rile me up in any way lol

        “as an alpha he will probably start doing better than you”

        ? I hope that he DOES. I hope that he bangs the hottest girls in the fucking world. Good on him. I would be the first to buy him a beer and say “way to go, dude! Congrats!”

        Why do you compare yourself against other men? What relevance does his success or my success have to your self-worth? Can you be happy for other men who are successful with women? Or, like the guy in the office who banged the girl you were scared to fuck, do you look at other guys in terms of “who’s better, me or him?” You don’t have to answer that, because the answer is obvious from your writing…but you should ask yourself why you measure yourself against other men so much.

        “I can see him writing in two months to say that his newfound alpha behavior plus his great apartment were instrumental in landing him a 9.5 exchange student from Estonia who spends 4 nights per week with him and wants to marry him.”

        Super. I hope that happens. But I would correct him and explain to him that his apartment wasn’t relevant and that if he had the apartment without the alpha behaviors, he would be sitting up in that apartment alone at night jacking off to porn.

        “You would then tell him that he’s sold out, that she’s a “third world hooker”.”

        Only if he pays her. Or if he met her in Estonia when he flew there because he couldn’t get laid here and then walked around flashing wads of money and his passport like Roosh and his super cool players on his forum advocate lol

        “He’d reply that she was a virgin when he met her and you’re wrong to see PUA as a pro-feminist class warfare deal.”

        I don’t think really think about feminism or class warfare, or care where in the spectrum PUA falls. PUA is about improving your life. If you can earn money and looks while you’re at it, great, but don’t hold back and wait for those things before you start approaching because they aren’t inherently attractive or necessary to get laid by hot girls. Your attitudes and behavior/game are more important.

        “And maybe you’ll just reply “LOL. Hooker fucker” to avoid an honest evaluation of how the world really works among men who are already alpha.”

        You advocate shitting where you eat (fucking hired help) and paying girls for sex. In my world, that’s bottom of the barrel behavior. But if you get off on the power dynamic thing, that’s cool, you do you’re thing. You don’t need MY approval or acceptance or acknowledgement. I’m just some dumb-fuck on the internet who doesn’t drive a Ferrari…why are you so concerned with gaining my acknowledgement that your lifestyle is cool?

        “Unless we can upgrade the IQ level of this forum”

        lol is THAT what you’re doing.

        “and appreciate that game knowledge plus other resources (whether they be a better body made in the gym or a better apartment made by doing work) can make a difference above and beyond what just being a broke ass alpha can do.”

        I agree completely. Your problem is that you’ve stereotyped me based on the biases/ignorance in your views of what PUAs are, instead of actually reading what I’ve written.

        Here’s a quote from me: “Fortunately, most guys don’t WANT to be the jobless alcoholic bum anymore than you do, even if they can get laid doing that. We take this to extremes to expand the knowledge-base of human psychology and fully understand the extents of the art-form of seduction…but we aren’t the common man. Most guys DO want to do something with their lives, for their own personal validation.

        All we’re doing is showing that hey, instead of waiting until you’re a doctor and have 10% bodyfat, why not start approaching girls now and learning to flirt with them while you earn those things…because they WILL fuck you before you earn those things.”

        And some more reading by me:
        http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/23/looks-count/#comment-3316
        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/comment-of-the-week-the-subtle-art-of-the-amog/#comment-455301

        Looks, money, career, that’s all good stuff. But ultimately it comes down to game/confidence, and a lot of guys are chasing looks/money/career INSTEAD of learning to game because they’re hoping that if they just get those things then women will fall into their lap. It’s difficult to work 100+ hours a week starting up a business combined with 2 hours in the gym every day, and still find time to go out and socialize. It can be done, but the norm in North America is to focus on career/looks and not go out and just hope for the payoff society promised you, only to end up like Good Ole JR here, wondering “where’s my pot of fuckin’ gold?!”

        But feel free to keep insulting me. I understand the disapproval of your lifestyle by a random name on the Internet probably haunts your super alpha badass soul at night lol

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      • You continue to imply that a man who fucks his secretary isn’t gaming other women as well. It’s dishonest to pretend that we’re talking about men who have to rely on such so-called “exploitation of womyn” as their main strategy. Did you watch the video I posted below?

        The reason why I argue with you is that you purport to represent the PUA scene more than CH does (lol) but the PUA coach scene shouldn’t be passively supporting feminist concepts such as the unconstitutional sexual harassment laws. Also your attitude about Roosh and foreign women is bizarre and way outside the norm of the PUA community. One of the biggest feminist goals is to get men to think it’s “pathetic” to date non-feminist foreign women. You carry water for them and you should be called on that.

        Ask CH to explain to you how a smart PUA community will support the opposite idea if only to neg American women enough to make them think they have lower SMV.

        There is also a trend in the US now for criminalizing paid sex on top of the vicious sex harassment laws. A man who doesn’t expect to try that strategy on anyone for another 20 years still needs to make sure that he stops the feminists now from getting all these new laws passed. I’m thinking of your own protection down the line when I tell you it’s counterproductive to echo the feminists in their meme of declaring one particular male mating strategy “pathetic”.

        Like Tyler, it’s best to just say “It’s not a recommended strategy if you want to meet someone to love you” and move on.

        Watch the video below Ya. That character’s behavior represents well what I’ve tried to advise you on and it’s all in keeping with the norms of this blog where this discussion was dealt with a long time ago. A real alpha will use different tools at his disposal at different times and with different women and he won’t be worried about what definitely IS a feminist concept that it’s supposedly wrong to try this or that strategy today and another strategy tomorrow. Feminists want to criminalize all forms of mating where the man has used power or money. It’s called equalism. You are an equalist but mainly because you don’t have much power or money yet.

        You will because you’re not dumb.

        Yes, you would be a fag (outside the jurisdiction of sexual harassment laws) to turn down a willing secretary who made the first move and who is a lot hotter than your new gf based on the notion that your PUA buddies (or mainly your ego) would think, like the feminists would, that it’s pathetic. Who the fuck cares? Only the feminists should get their panties in a twist about the strategy or tool you used with any particular woman.

        Your problem is that you’re too poor to have this hypotheses tested and this represents a chip on your shoulder. It’s also why you have a chip on your shoulder about Roosh and other guys who travel and get laid overseas while you’re home riding the bus. You’re transparent when you hate on Roosh. Earn some money and travel yourself. Then talk like you actually know what you’re talking about.

        I don’t believe for a second that your rich friends wouldn’t fuck a particularly hot secretary if it were legal in the US and she wanted it. It sounds like they’ve made their peace with the legal ramifications and are rationalizing. Like I chose not to fuck that secretary in 2000, they are doing the same thing.

        Watch the video below. It shows a rich man who shocks a beta hotel manager with a request to know if the girls in the hotel lobby and the housekeepers are “available”. He even offers cash to a housekeeper to get her into a small compliance task. But everything else he does is alpha and he cleans up. The housekeeper doesn’t disrespect him for having obviously tried to buy her at first. Like anything else, an alpha can get away with anything. A beta cannot.

        The video actually shows what the world was like 30 years ago before the sexual harassment suits turned a new generation into pc pussies.

        And I haven’t changed my opinion of the fact that Hefner mostly bought women his entire life by fucking mainly his employees. He’s no hero to the type of PUA who thinks that there is supposedly some kind of problem with that. You are very confused in your man-love for Hefner. He paid his playmates all his life and their job description was to fuck him.

        Read the post “It’s Not Necessarily Beta to Pay for Sex.” The bottom line is it’s like masturbation in that it doesn’t count as something you have to warn men not to do at all. Just tell them not to do it too often. And we’re not talking about high count hookers with all this either. A slut is never worth giving any remuneration to. Normal low count women are not nuns. You’d be surprised what they will even suggest themselves if you listen to them.

        Meanwhile, please lose the needless hate for Roosh and the idea of meeting women in foreign countries. It’s too fucking much like you’re being paid by the National Organization for Women.

        It’s not alpha to try to AMOG men who date foreign women. It’s just pathetic, especially coming from a really young guy who can’t afford a plane ticket. Let’s bury that hatchet.

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      • “you purport to represent the PUA scene more than CH does (lol)”

        “Also your attitude about Roosh and foreign women is bizarre and way outside the norm of the PUA community.”

        …I’m not sure you know what the PUA community IS. You understand the PUA community all started back on newsgroups (alt.seduction.fast), then moved to the mASF forums (and then eventually started to become an industry), and CH/Roosh/Rollo all came along afterward, right? And that the PUA community is sites like RSD Nation, Sedfast, the Lovesystems forums, etc. right? Like, you understand that most of those guys have never heard of CH/Roosh/Rollo and the Manosphere is a separate community that was created and gained steam long after the PUA community was in full swing, right?

        Here’s a big breakdown of how the Manosphere is basically just regurgitating PUA concepts:

        http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/29/year-one/#comment-9666

        That’s not to shit on the Manosphere or anything. It’s good for PUA teachings to make it to a wider audience in a slightly more digestible/casual form (VS the overly hardcore PUA teaching style), and the Manosphere is good at collecting scientific studies etc. that verify the shit we’ve learned through Field Experience, and they cover more general Men’s Rights, Feminism, etc. stuff which is cool.

        But yes, I represent the PUA community more than the Manosphere bloggers. That’s not me trying to insult them, this isn’t a competition. I just have a lot of years of study/experience in this particular area under my belt and use it to help explain/emphasize/correct what Manosphere bloggers write about.

        Do I have better game than everyone here? Probably not. But I probably have the most thorough conscious understanding of social dynamics and the ability to explain them and relate them to the conversation.

        “Watch the video below Ya.”

        Ya, I’m not going to watch a 30 minute video of a bad UK TV show but thanks lol

        “Yes, you would be a fag (outside the jurisdiction of sexual harassment laws) to turn down a willing secretary who made the first move and who is a lot hotter than your new gf”

        Why wouldn’t my GF be hotter? Why would I bother with work-place drama (shitting where you eat) when I can go get a hotter GF or bang a random? That’s silly. There’s no reason to pay for sex unless I can’t get laid elsewhere.

        “based on the notion that your PUA buddies (or mainly your ego) would think”

        I don’t care what they think. I don’t care what Feminists think. You’re the one who seems obsessed with other peoples’ opinions of how cool you are or if what you’re doing is badass or not. I call paying for sex pathetic because it’s pathetic to me and signals that a man has no other options and doesn’t value himself enough to earn sex based on his core rather than tossing around a wad of cash. Even if I was rich, I would downplay it with girls because I’d rather get them based on their attraction to who I am, VS having to give them money to “lure them in” lol

        If I just wanted to get laid by any means necessary, I would lie and tell girls I’m a doctor, and that my mansion is being renovated so I’m crashing at a buddy’s place for a bit, and that I’m looking for a serious relationship, and offer them money to fuck me, etc. etc. That shit is EASY. Amateur hour shit. I’d rather take on the challenge of being brutally honest with her and get her based on who I am to my core.

        You don’t seem to care about that, and that’s cool. I have buddies who just love sex and don’t care how they get it or what quality of girl they stick it in, and some of them even get hookers, and hey, as long as they’re happy it’s all good. It’s not for ME, and I think it’s pathetic a lot of the time, but who cares what I think?

        “Only the feminists should get their panties in a twist about the strategy or tool you used with any particular woman.”

        You can hop a helicopter up to the top of Mount Everest, but you’re not going to get respect from me the way the guy who climbed up to the top does. This has nothing to do with Feminists or what my buddies would think…it has to do with what I personally consider an admirable man to be and how I choose to live my life. Enjoy your helicopter ride, but don’t expect me to buy you a beer when you fly back down the mountain and brag about it lol

        “Your problem is that you’re too poor to have this hypotheses tested and this represents a chip on your shoulder.”

        I’ve had money to burn before. It’s just not something I base my worth on like you do.

        “It’s also why you have a chip on your shoulder about Roosh and other guys who travel and get laid overseas while you’re home riding the bus.”

        I hate on Roosh because he has shitty game. Him and his whole forum piss & moan about how impossible it is to get North American women (while PUAs are regularly cleaning up in their “worst” cities lol). You can read more about my love of Roosh here:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/the-vapidity-of-lena-dunham/#comment-418880

        “I don’t believe for a second that your rich friends wouldn’t fuck a particularly hot secretary if it were legal in the US and she wanted it.”

        The betas would, because they would have to, because they don’t have other options. The alphas don’t give a shit, she’s just a girl, they have 10 more blowing up their phone all day wanting to get fucked…why fuck the hired help? Do you just have a secretary/power fetish or something?

        “Watch the video below.”

        Link a shorter video.

        “The housekeeper doesn’t disrespect him for having obviously tried to buy her at first.”

        Who cares if she disrespects him or what her opinion of him is? What matters is his opinion of his actions. My opinion is that it’s low-value behavior, so I don’t do it…I don’t care if she wouldn’t disrespect me for it, or if Feminists wouldn’t be mad at me, or if my PUA buddies wouldn’t think I’m cool. *I* wouldn’t think it’s cool, so I don’t do it.

        You’re like the guy who’s only reason for not stealing shit is that he’d get in trouble, but if he wouldn’t get in trouble he would just steal it. I don’t care if I’d get in trouble or not, stealing goes against my personal principles and it’s shitty low-value behavior to me, so even if you could promise me I won’t get in trouble for it, I’ll choose not to do it.

        Again you seem very concerned with what other people think of your actions/behavior. Do you have any personal code of conduct/ethics of your own, that you’ve come up with from your own life experiences? Or is your existance basically “I do whatever I can get away with”, like some kind of value-taking parasite?

        Is that why you’re convinced I work for RSD? Because you can’t imagine someone would want to help other people selflessly? You’re always working an angle so you’re projecting onto me that I must in some way be profiting from helping others?

        To me, you’re just displaying a lot of really sad low-value behavior.

        “Read the post “It’s Not Necessarily Beta to Pay for Sex.””

        Irrelevant. I define my values. You, again, seem to base your values on whether other people approve of them or not. Do you ever think for yourself? A thousand people can tell me that stealing is okay, you could link me to an article by CH about how it’s not necessarily wrong to steal, and I would still choose not to do it.

        “The bottom line is it’s like masturbation in that it doesn’t count as something you have to warn men not to do at all.”

        Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify it, you do your thing man. Like I say, why are you so concerned with whether or not I approve of it? The PUA community (the real one, not the imaginary one you’ve made up lol) is based around earning sex through game, not buying hookers:

        “You’d be surprised what they will even suggest themselves if you listen to them.”

        Golly. I guess I should go out and finally talk to my first girl!!

        “Meanwhile, please lose the needless hate for Roosh”

        Soon as he improves his game. I call shitty game out where I see it. Sorry if you have a man-crush on him.

        http://aaronsleazy.blogspot.ca/2012/09/roosh-v-sucks-with-women-and-doesnt.html

        “and the idea of meeting women in foreign countries.”

        Meeting them is fine. Bribing them to bang you because they’re poor and flying over there because your game is too shitty to get laid in North America is weak. Roosh spent months in major NA cities and couldn’t get his dick wet to save his life.

        “It’s too fucking much like you’re being paid by the National Organization for Women.”

        Nope. Again, I don’t care if you think I’m some male-Feminist. When you say stuff like “that’s what FEMINISTS would say!!!”, I know that’s like a big burn to you because you put value in “not having people think you’re a Feminist”, but I don’t put any value in that so it’s as significant as you calling me a doodie-head.

        “It’s not alpha to try to AMOG men who date foreign women.”

        I’m not trying to AMOG you. I’m telling you that I think your behaviors are low-value. What do you care what I think?

        “It’s just pathetic, especially coming from a really young guy who can’t afford a plane ticket.”

        Oh I can afford a plane ticket. I just don’t need to fly to Thailand and hire hookers to get laid, I’d rather spend the money on something else lol

        “Let’s bury that hatchet.”

        Nah. You haven’t presented any real convincing arguments aside from trying to shame me (“you’re just like a Feminist!!”), trying to convince me to let other people define my values (“but CH says it’s okay!!”), trying to attack my masculinity (“you’re not a real man”, “you can’t afford stuff”, “your girl is too old”), demonstrating that you don’t really have any ethical standards and just take value, and trying to badger me into giving you my approval. This is all playground level behavior.

        You’ve demonstrated nothing at all that makes me consider you an alpha, or someone I should respect, or want to be like or emulate. And even if you, personally, did, that still wouldn’t mean Roosh has game or that his forum wasn’t full of guys who spend more time ordering custom suits than sticking their dick in women.

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      • Ya, I believe you learned PUA from some early 2000s books by famous PUA authors who sought to be accepted by feminist editors at publishing houses and Diane Sawyer of Good Morning America. In order to not alienate American women, they added remarks in their books like “Don’t ever lie to women ever” and other crap that they probably didn’t adhere to themselves but they knew would keep their books from being unpublished, pulled from book shelves and TV interviews canceled.

        You and your buddies are not “working around the feminist system” but rather “working within it so you won’t make waves.”

        I just realized what you meant, Ya, with that Madonna/Whore complex link. You clearly don’t understand why many men have a strategy of not fucking sluts but, rather, virgins or those as close to virginal as possible. It has nothing to do with this nonsensical Madonna/Whore theory.

        What I meant was you shouldn’t be OK with the idea that your new 22 yr old gf may have had a sugar daddy 4 years ago when she didn’t have the financial independence she has now. He would have gotten his sperm in 4 years earlier than you did, using a strategy that you find “pathetic”. He now gets the last laugh on what’s pathetic or not. He’s out fucking another 18 year old now whom you’ll get as sloppy twenty seconds in 4 years. You keep getting the bottom of the coffee cup that way. The same men may be drinking from the straws you later drink from.

        You can think your current gf would have chosen you over the guy who allegedly “exploited” her 4 years ago, but she may have preferred the cash over you back then when she was still too young to earn money for herself and not ready to settle into a relationship.

        I was at a wedding recently where the bride was a former sugar baby whom I let go with the advice she should marry someone while young. Do you think her new husband, who isn’t beta, would like to know that information? So, yes, the guys who got there first are relevant and the strategies that tend to get a man there first can be slightly different from the strategies to get the experienced women when they have careers later on.

        Wouldn’t it bother you to fuck a woman who fucked her professor and a boss in the past? I know your answer is no, but then young guys like you voted Democrat while the Democrats made all that illegal (in the US only). These young men shot themselves in the foot because someday they will be professors and bosses with the opportunity to get the type of women you’ve fucked as sluts, but at a time when they were still inexperienced.

        You are aware that a good number of male professors choose not to teach in the US because it’s still allowable to fuck students at foreign universities. You’d have to be gay to be a professor inside the US these days. And you can’t say “An alpha professor has plenty of opportunities and doesn’t need to shit where he eats”. Bullshit. There are probably no better opportunities within 200 miles of the campus. The new fraternization policies are a sexual death sentence to American college professors.

        Like many men, I probably wouldn’t fuck a woman whom I knew you fucked first. That has nothing to do with having any Madonna complex. More likely, and this is no aspersion on you personally, a fear of HPV plus an ur-aversion to the idea that the earlier man’s sperm would have made her pregnant. You apparently have behavioral genes that aren’t like mine or many other men.

        Or my (and others’) lack of interest in sluts could have a lot to do with our relative options. I can afford to be choosy. I won’t go near night club girls mainly because I don’t have to in order to have a full dating schedule with new girls who aren’t employed by me as maids. When I was young and had fewer options, I used to hang out in night clubs.

        Remember, you and your buddies are not really “working around the feminist system” so much as “working within the feminist system to get along without annoying those in power”. You would leave the country to really “work around” the system.

        It sounds like a good topic for a CH post. What is the difference between working around the feminist system and working within it so as to not make waves?

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      • I just read your new comment and thanks for that reply, Ya. We’ve made some progress. You’re a lot less absolutist although you still seem to think that, if a boss fucks his secretary, it means he’s not good at regular game. The CH post I referred you to simply says that one doesn’t have to have any effect on the other. I know Tyler has some manic shit to say about how it would cause a man to lose some kind of energy if he does that kind of stuff, but then again Tyler revealed that he knows nothing about the dynamics of money in dating. I’ll get to that below.

        I have a new 19 year old coming to visit in 15 minutes, introduced to me from another. This will be a first meet instadate at my place and all because her friend is going to wash my dishes for $15.

        I also just watched more than 40 minutes of videos you recommended and read what you asked that I read. I also did a google search for rsd fraud to read the other side of the story, like from ex instructors.

        In other words, I have an open mind. You could have an open mind too and watch half of the 26 minute video below. The fact that you didn’t shows why I guess a lot of guys in the manosphere give up on you and Roosh moderated out a few of your one-sided link fests.

        I agreed with Samseau’s response to you in that link you gave. I can also see why he just gave up arguing with you here just like Xsplat did. CH will tell you that Xsplat’s girls were hot. He put up photos that put RSD marketing photos to shame.

        And, sorry, but your Las Vegas photos seemed to show ugly hookers. You and I have very different tastes in women. To each his own I guess.

        I’d be fine gaming in the US and the best sex I have had was in Toronto. But it’s simply true that the women tend to be more feminist, which means fucked up in the head and entitled beyond the age of 22 which should be when they personally experience the wall. Toronto was worse than any American city for that.

        Roosh may not seem like much of a lady’s man. I’d rather have you for a wingman (you probably open well). But Roosh spoke the truth about Toronto relative to Montreal. The Montreal girls, not coming from the anglo feminist culture, are simply hotter and friendlier, etc.

        I’m going to have to take a shower to meet this instadate here in my home (not a hooker. College student. Probably a virgin.)

        I’ll come back later and respond to Tyler’s manic hate video about using money. The short response is that Tyler has zero clue about how an alpha would use money to get laid (he revealed his ignorance when he used the example of the fool who spent $700 on buying oysters for a girl who clearly didn’t like him) and he had to have been mentally ill to have dated a professional hooker even in his younger days. No alpha would ever have anything to do with a professional high count hooker.

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      • That was interesting. Now let me quickly respond to Tyler’s video.

        His manic style would cause most new viewers to think “this guy’s on drugs”. I can see how the style appeals to young butt-hurt guys like Loverboy once was, who want to find the holy grail mentor, but Tyler had little (but some) substance here in what seems like a typical pep talk video. He kept saying “Loser, Loser, Pathetic” in a hate-filled manner that seemed more mentally ill than reasonably thought out. He didn’t seem to notice that Lenin and Marx would have loved to have him kickstart the communist revolutions.

        It felt like he was rejected so much in college that he needs to now slam back with hard earned trophy after trophy as opposed to finding good relationships and, separately if necessary, good sex. What little substantive message he had came in two parts.

        1. Irrelevant rant about professional high count hookers. Most readers here prefer virgins and, for that very reason, wouldn’t be interested even in hookers who gave it away for free. The potential disease issue would also be a turn off. Tyler’s message that it might take away a guy’s pimp energy to open women was a very good point but there are a number of advanced game strategies that make it so a man doesn’t have to continually open strangers on the street. They all take away a man’s pimp energy.

        For an example of this so-called loss of pimp energy from having things too easy, I just met a college student in my home (for coffee, not sex) because I had the guts to ask a female friend to bring another female friend along to say hello. Now I am going to go out to game complete strangers on the street. Am I worried that I won’t have much game because I met the other woman at home? Not really. That’s like saying I won’t be too active at the grocery store in ten minutes because I just ate a big meal. So? I’ll buy a few less items on a full stomach but I’ll still get 4 large bags worth.

        2. Completely uninformed concept of how to use money in dating. As a bad example, Tyler gave an account of what a supposedly good game student did after he told Tyler that he wanted to use money with game. He was talking with a woman who didn’t seem interested and then he started to buy $700 worth of oysters for her without securing two nights of sex for that. That sounds like bad negotiating to me. If American men are so stupid that they don’t secure the sex before giving out money, that’s their problem.

        That’s like going to a Mercedes dealer and giving him $5k just to look at the car. Who would do that? Only a total fool. Tyler’s example was, therefore, a very dishonest example. It had no power to convince those who do see money working all the time (eg comfort stage where a college student is holding your hand as she gets to know you at a french restaurant and then agrees to cook for you at the cool apartment you described – if things aren’t going to work out, the man stops at the drinks or soup and salad phase and is out $20).

        Tyler’s example was not what a socially competent man does if he uses money (which is different from actually spending it). Watch the video below Ya. Watch just the first 10 minutes.

        Tyler, meanwhile, clearly wanted no serious discussion of the issue. He should have stuck with what he said in another video which was just “Don’t lead with money because she’ll never love you” which is good advice despite being rather simplistic and, for someone who wants to pump and dump, irrelevant.

        CH is big on not using money himself. He just doesn’t get manic about opposing it (he’ll write “wherefore love” a lot when someone talks about paid sex) and he does recognize that one affair between a man and his secretary or a hand job in a strip joint doesn’t mean a man isn’t really good at cold pick up and regular game.

        Anyhow, the biggest problem when you “represent” the PUA scene instead of recognizing CH as its leader, is that CH really does need to be the ideological bedrock of the PUA community because he’s the only one who gets how the early community was riddled with a feminist ideology.

        I described above that this pro-feminist outlook had a lot to do with self-styled gurus writing famous books and getting mainstream publishers, with feminist editors, to print and market them and to get fembots like Diane Sawyer of Good Morning America to host the authors on TV. In addition, the guys probably figured the Democrats were more on their side. CH has been telling the PUA community that they should think twice about being on the left wing. That’s reason enough to let CH overhaul the ideology of the community.

        The pro-feminist strains that need to be eliminated include

        1. Preference for sluts over virgins. Feminists want American men to feel this way so why should the PUA community agree? Because a stopped clock is right twice a day? No. There was a collusion with feminism 10 years ago and it was CH who started to fight this when he started his blog in 2007. I realize that RSD makes a lot of money showing marketing videos of drunk women kissing Tyler at bars (and I’m impressed as hell with those videos by the way even if they represent months of filming to get 5 good opening kisses), but CH reminds everyone what most men really want.

        2. Shaming of overseas dating. Feminists also want to shame men who date overseas. Why should the PUA community agree? Because a stopped clock is right twice a day? No. Again, we have early collusion that needed to be stamped out as CH brought the PUA community and manosphere together.

        There is no reason, short of radical feminism, to hate on men who date foreign women and it gets really obvious whom you’re ideologically associated with when you, like the feminists, imply that western europe is more OK to date women than in the east.

        Samseau pointed out that your Mount Everest analogy backfired, when you wrote that American women were supposedly harder to date and thus harder to climb and thus worth dating more. He said that too many other men would have climbed them already and the real Mount Everests are traditional-minded virgins in other countries unpolluted by feminism.

        I don’t care where I date. I just like being in places where white women are in a higher concentration. I’m fine dating anywhere like that, even Toronto.

        Also, for your info, it’s harder for American men to date Estonian and Russian women in their home environments than American women. They are less easy to cold approach. They are also no longer so financially hard up that the 9s and 10s will date American betas for money. That doesn’t happen anymore. The mail order bride business is over.

        You can relax with your radical feminist remarks about how dating them is supposed to be “exploitation” of “prey”. That radical feminist notion must be eradicated from the curriculums of any PUA company or forum.

        In fact, tell me if a specific PUA company spreads this feminist lie. I see that Tyler refuses to do a seminar in Moscow. He prefers preaching in the feminist countries like Germany.

        3. Shaming of the use of power and money. Feminists consider it to be one of their biggest goals to get stupid men to carry the water for them by trying to create an equalist world where men don’t use power or money to get laid.

        The Marxist left needs to see guys like Tyler screaming “Loser, loser, pathetic” in videos because it sets the stage for more TAXES to be imposed on middle class white males. The message, inadvertent as you may say it is, is “Why worry about more taxes and Obamacare if you don’t really need the money to get laid anyway, right”?

        Is it a coincidence that the early PUA community carried water for the Marxists on this topic? Not really. It’s true that you guys were trying to work within the feminist system (not around it). You could do nothing about your high taxes. There was nothing wrong with learning how to do that. PUA studies had to be developed even though Moscow in the nineties was the place for any man with a brain to hang out.

        But you guys ended up quasi accepting the sexual harassment laws and policies against professors fucking their students and higher age of consent laws as if, by making things harder for you, feminists needed to be thanked for creating more of a challenge!

        I personally find that “I need a challenge” way of thinking mentally retarded. It’s giving the feminists exactly what they want. They want to make things harder for men. Don’t thank them for it.

        If I can use a helicopter I will, but I’ll otherwise look for the easiest way to climb a mountain. And it’s stupid to climb a mountain that 5 others already summited via helicopter. If you fuck a woman I fucked last year, I am the winner even if I “cheated”. You’ll have to agree with that. 😉

        The whole mountain climbing analogy is wrong on several levels, but I will agree it can apply to dating a virgin.

        4. Shaming of anyone who ever tells a lie to a woman. If you can’t see how closely this dovetails with what feminists want, maybe you should google the attempts to make it illegal for men to lie to women. In 3 years when you’re 36, you may not appreciate that your local bank chain will allow any employee to look up your exact age before her friend goes on a date with you. Privacy and the right to lie if you need to are two essential freedoms.

        CH and others have written plenty about how you should never admit to being more than 15 years older with a woman you haven’t fucked. There are more than a few exceptions to the early PUA author admonitions to be completely truthful to women.

        Remember, the early PUA authors were politically correct and living in a time when they thought, foolishly, that feminists would be their allies more than, say, the social conservatives of the GOP.

        I could see Strauss getting on The Today Show with the anchors gushing over him because he’s a casanova who never lies to women!

        And, admittedly, I can see why the early PUA community would have been wary of the religious freaks on the other side of the political spectrum. At least the feminists were seen, 15 years ago, to be in agreement with PUAs about premarital sex. 😉

        But the CH blog should have swung the PUA community around to seeing the left as their enemy. Please try to blend in more.

        And please watch the video below.

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      • And here, YaReally, is a perfect example of an alpha who has zero compunction about when and how to occasionally use money (or not) or power as a tool in seduction if and when and however it suits him at any given moment:

        Notice how, at the beginning, you might think this guy is a beta (by modern PUA coaching standards) because the first thing he asks the hotel clerk is if the girls in the lobby are “hookers” and is disappointed that they’re not. He’s just European in outlook and wants to know the lay of the land. Money, to him, is just one of many tools to get laid. Knowledge is his main tool.

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      • @Anonymous (the first one). what the fuck, bro? what’s up with all the seething resentment? what are you really trying to say in your overlong, rambling rant against (in favor of?) secretaries, yareally, hookers, and foreign chicks? you sound really butthurt and bitter. your post evokes the image of a man gleefully rubbing his sweaty palms together as he absentmindedly drools in anticipation of another man’s demise. but why?

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      • It’s about the fact that feminists have three big goals that Ya is inadvertently pushing on a major PUA blog:

        1. Shame and then criminalize men on the subject of “sexually harassing” employees, when we’re talking about women who want it from the powerful men in their vicinity.

        2. Shame and criminalize paid sexual activity, meaning you can kiss your rights goodbye for your old age if you let them get away with this now.

        3. Shame and regulate men dating foreign women, including actual State Department policies to stop hot looking women from getting visas.

        CH and Roosh get the picture here. YaReally is a newbie and a fairly young man with little worldly power or wealth, who came to this blog and arrogantly started to tell everyone that he knows better than these bloggers and the rest of us.

        Watch the video. It shows why we shouldn’t have to even discuss this.

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      • i’m really not trying to be combative, but i’ve never seen yareally advocate for any of those goals. now, he certainly has said (as ch has) that paying a woman for sex is poor substitute for having sex with a woman in love (with you, ideally lol). saying that it is better to fuck a woman who loves you rather than a woman who is doing it for money shouldn’t be a controversial proposition. this is not the same as saying prostitution should be illegal.

        furthermore, yareally has never said don’t fuck foreign girls. he never said don’t go abroad and meet chicks. what he has said, very clearly, was don’t go abroad and hope to trade only on the currency of your american passport. you should learn the fundamentals of game and then you can pick up girls here and abroad. again, this is not the same thing as saying it is shameful to date foreign women. and,

        and, finally, i don’t even know what you’re talking about re: sexually harassing employees.

        yareally is (i understand) 31 years old. he doesn’t care about material shit. but, it is inaccurate to say (i assume – reasonably – based on his insight) that he is a “newbie.” he has obviously put many more hours into thinking and writing about game, but most importantly, he’s been in the field enough to know what works and what doesn’t work. i know this because the things he writes about MAKE SENSE and conform for my own experiences. what you’re saying, on the other hand, makes very little sense to me and does not conform to my life’s experiences in any way. i do not mean that as a slight, but i must discount whatever you’re trying to get across for these reasons.

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      • Well, OKCool, when one has been living in a feminist sub-culture for a long time, what “makes sense” starts to differ wildly from the norm in a non-feminist culture. For instance, it should “make sense” to you that, before the sex harassment laws of the 1980’s, alpha bosses were sometimes hiring really hot girl next door women officially as secretaries, but with hidden job descriptions. That’s all illegal now, but only illegal in feminist countries. It’s still the norm in most of the world and the women who do this are the hottest young women that you would be going after, except their masters will not allow them to be seen in a night club.

        It should “make sense” to you that, having lost the right to do so without lawsuits, a new generation of managers in the US would be rationalizing that they never needed to “shit where they eat” anyway. Rationalizations are very easy to make if you lost a right to do something, especially if it was your grandfather’s generation that had the experience of behaving that way. You will pretend you never needed to do it in the first place.

        An example would be that, if the age of consent rises from 16 to 18 in your state, you will start saying that you’d never wanted to sleep with a 17 year old anyway. Then if they raise it to 21, you will say that you never wanted to sleep with anyone as young as 20 anyway. These are all rationalizations.

        From growing up in a betafied nation, you probably don’t understand how many women 18-21 have whore fantasies and how much they want unequal relationships where they submit to a master. If you get flaked on by a hot 19 year old, it may be because she thinks you want to be equals. It should make sense to take my advice to change your attitude toward being her potential boss man when that happens rather than the rationalized advice the PUA community will give you, which also fits the feminist narrative by the way, that you should just forget about a girl who flakes on you and move on.

        Most women that age simply don’t want to be equals. They will flake on you for that reason. That’s why older men can clean up if they have an alpha mentality and go to the gym. But the fantasy the girls want is not just that their will be an age difference, but that he will become her boss man (or daddy). Obviously, you’d be mentally sick to ever want to become a pimp because that would mean she’d be cuckolding you on your command. If you become her “pimp daddy”, you’re pimping her only to yourself of course.

        What makes sense is to remember

        1. They don’t want to be your equal
        2. To that end they often have slave or whore fantasies
        3. They want to be given only token small amounts of money. They won’t respect you if you give them large amounts.

        If you’re over 40, the dating script flips and it should not “make sense” that a 19 year old will want to go 50:50 with you all the time as your equal. Use Occam’s Razor. If hot young women were for sale to older rich men in the past, they probably still are. That should be what “makes sense.” We also know that the US feminist movement is trying hard to stop the “old patriarchal ways”, which segways into what I have to say about Tyler’s ambitions to be accepted by them enough to personally hit the big time.

        Tyler of RSD recently stated in a speech that he wants to win a reality TV show and hit the big time, preferably with a network or cable contract. He openly said the only thing standing in his way is probably that some executive is thinking “But the RSD people want to manipulate women!” Tyler didn’t mention the word “feminism” in his speech.

        What does that tell you? It says that he has the incentive, at least, to compromise himself and his customers to placate the feminists enough to become a millionaire personally. I can understand that he doesn’t want to have to keep doing bootcamps all his life. He wants the Cathedral media to make him a star.

        In order to get the HBO executives to give him a pass on the “misogyny” charge, he can and already has tried to distance himself from the three ways that men SUCCESSFULLY manipulate women that feminists and churchladies and betas HATE the most. Those are the manipulation of women via money, power and white lies.

        If he were honorable, Tyler would just say he won’t deal with these 3 ways to manipulate women but he wouldn’t deny their effectiveness.

        But if he wants to be craven, he will lie and say that modern high value women CANNOT be manipulated by money, power or lies at all, as if that’s a new scientific fact! That’s where I have the biggest problem. Things are starting to get anti-science when he does that. Then he and his instructors will also make like it’s a scientific fact that women from feminist countries are superior to date than women from non-feminist countries. They will do this to win the approval of the Cathedral and get rich.

        The manosphere should not sit idle while some guy sucks up to HBO and the networks to let him personally become a millionaire reality show star in return for doing the bidding of the Cathedral, which in the examples I’ve given is to teach men that women are somehow scientifically proven to be incapable of letting themselves be seduced by money, power or white lies.

        That’s why idiots are supposed to be convinced by that bogus story of the beta student who paid $700 to feed an uninterested girl oysters but still didn’t get laid. That’s not science. The beta broke the rules about paying women only small amounts and paying only after the man gets off. Real science would be to get 100 great looking and rich young men to each offer $700 to a hot girl to do something, anything, sexual in return. You should not be surprised by the results of that. They would “make sense” to anyone who wasn’t raised among feminists.

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      • @Anonymous

        “Tyler of RSD recently stated in a speech that he wants to win a reality TV show and hit the big time, preferably with a network or cable contract.”

        Please link to this video, because now you’re just flat out lying/slandering. Or you legitimate have some kind of learning disability or listening disorder, which would explain why you don’t seem to understand what anyone is saying to you…either way it doesn’t really make you seem like this badass alpha millionaire boss-man you’re pretending to be. But I DO believe you hire hookers lol

        Tyler has never said this, and has in fact said the opposite many times. He gets offers for reality shows etc constantly and turns them all down because he doesn’t want to dumb his shit down to be accepted by the mainstream because the stuff RSD is doing is stuff that most guys would never try and his company is regularly breaking new ground in the art-form. His plan is to keep going hardcore with pickup for a few more years and then switch gears into general self-help/development Tony Robbins style.

        You don’t have to lie to make your points.

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      • In fact, I don’t WANT the men in my area getting more alpha. There are too many alphas here. … Where all the rich guys are alpha, women think twice.

        This is contradictory.

        There is no such thing as “too many alphas.” That’s like saying, there are too many female tens in my area, we need a diversity of fours and sixes and eights.

        Those who complain about too much alpha are people who are uncomfortable around/intimidated by men. The better part of alphatude is acknowledging a superior, because fake machismo is transparent to dudes (not so much to women). Unlike a beta blowhard, and not a few PUA.com big-talkers, you own the reality that you are not tops in every field, and you relate to (and defer to) the excellence others display.

        Matt

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:12 pm Hugh G. Rection

        The problem with this wolf pack analogy is, there can really only be one alpha in any group context.

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      • The bigger problem with any wolf pack analogy is the multidimensional interaction among human beings. While it is superficial true that “there can really only be one alpha in any group context,” there are many overlapping groups in any advanced social exchange.

        There are an exponential number of pursuits among human groups, rather than just the basic kill, eat, protect, fuck of the wolf pack. If I’m the “alpha” at the cocktail party and you’re the “alpha” in the cockpit, who’s the rightfully cockier? Is George Clooney or Barack Obama more alpha?

        My point was, those who despair of too much alpha in human contexts are betraying a general preference against manliness. “Alpha” is synonymous with leadership, and leadership is the defining trait of manhood. The difference in kind is much more important than the paper-thin differences of degree at the top of any human pursuit or context.

        Matt

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      • Come on Matt, you missed the context of that sentence. I had obviously chosen to live in a region with a high alpha ratio.

        I was just humorously noting that I didn’t need it any higher because any given 8, 9 or 10 I was thinking of pursuing could be swept up by another if I slept in on any given day.

        I couldn’t stand to live where lots of betas live because they artificially raise the value of even fatties and they get their legislators to pass anti-male laws.

        Context is important.

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    • JR, that was a good story man. Thanks for sharing it and congratulations on your achievements.

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    • Excellent post. Keep writing. And don’t let the side down by letting a gf announce your engagement in the ‘sphere.

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  47. Fire in the hole!

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  48. i think we can quibble all we want about this chick’s rating,but the simple fact remains: being fat is fucking disgusting and being fat overrides everything else (for chicks). fat comes first no matter how beautiful your face might otherwise be or how many books you’ve read or whateverthefuck. said another way, there is NO CONCEIVABLE way that being fat makes you more attractive. lose weight and your worth as an individual will go up.

    on a related note, i love how laura beck from jezebel is a size 18 (http://jezebel.com/im-a-size-18-yogi-and-lululemon-can-kiss-my-fat-ass-986201424), but until very recently this was her profile photo: http://www.dogster.com/files/styles/220_220scu/public/fields/laura.jpg. as it turns out, she actually looks like this: http://vidaveganconference.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/laura-beck-vegansaurus.jpg. if you truly don’t give a fuck about being fat, why lie about your appearance? at least fellow jezebel fatfuck lindy west has the decency to show off what a fatass she is in nearly every post about fatism and fat-acceptance.

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    • Huh, so whenever we see a mediocre looking jezebel we need to keep in mind even she doesn’t look like that.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Female vanity is very interesting. They can talk all they want. Even many old ladies still get their nails and hair done. It’s like some sort of cargo cult. They have long passed the point of sexual relevancy, yet still try to look pretty.

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      • Heh, heh… great analogy… cargo cult… golf clap on that one.

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      • Female vanity has as much to do with status whoring among females as it has to do with gaining attention from men.
        In a moment of honesty, a woman once said; “The cleavage is to attract the men, the shoes are to impress the women.”

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 8:13 pm suppressedtruthsociety

      Whenever I read those fat acceptance articles on Jezebel, I feel strangely compelled to work out, right that second. It’s like some weird reverse psychology–I’m so revulsed by how content they are to let their bodies become unnatural, ugly, sloppy, burdensome, oversized globs of cottage cheese that I want to be the complete opposite of them in every way.

      Next time you feel unmotivated to go hit the gym, try paying a visit to Jezebel- I swear.

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    • Wow, the pre-obesity Laura Beck is actually pretty attractive. Sad.

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  49. on August 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm Nothingman00

    In my neck of the woods she’s a 9. A buddy of mine in high school converted to Mormonism just to get with a girl who was her 16-year-old doppleganger. That’ didn’t work out so well.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm depressed_danny

      Did he get laid without losing too much money, getting beat up or going to jail?

      If so, win for him, everything else is irrelevant.

      And yeah, chick like that back in my home town? She’d own it. Probably able to bed whatever studs she wanted while keeping a harem of the few professionals in town buying her handbags and dinner (though of course, she’d have to be careful about all that ‘fine’ dining) just to get a once a month cuddle.

      On a semi-related note, I wonder why hot girls always seem to want to move to the big cities; they never seem to realize that being a 7-9 in a town of 30-80,000 gives her far more power then going to a city of 500,000+ and being just another pretty girl on the street. I’d rather be king of the garden then just another hand in the field, but maybe that’s male logic.

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  50. Reblogged this on M3 and commented:
    Interesting snippet here from CH, the spheres own Bill Nye the Science Guy. I really like where he shows the naked disparity between what a low cost it is for a woman to jump 5 SMV ranks vs the high cost of a man doing the same thing. This should put the final nail in the coffin for why the double standard exists and why attaining sex can never be viewed through an equality lens so often described by women. As the old joke says, take 2 equally ranked people, 1 man, 1 woman, put them in a bar and have them hit on 100 people. The woman will get 100% of men of equal rank to bed her and a slight decrease of higher ranked men above her to bed her, with each jump in rank decreasing her chances by a factor of 2. For a man, he is lucky if he can get a woman of equal worth, and if he does.. he is happy, whereas women usually want better or higher than themselves. But men today are LUCKY if they even get their SMV equal. Most often they don’t, and shoot ranks lower, each successive rank lower increases their odds of attaining sex by a factor of two. This is the reality. In the game of attaining sex, men work for it. Women can phone it in. Double standard sandwich.. served up hot. And wow.. props to this chick from going from Manatee to MmmMmmmMmmmmm. Take that fat acceptance movement. Go drown your sorrows in a bucket of the Colonel’s secret recipe.

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  51. If this girl is an 8, I’ve banged a lot of 8’s. All this time I thought I was getting 6.5-7’s. SMH, I guess I’ve had high standards all along or maybe pale chicks dont do it for me.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm Hugh G. Rection

      It’s easier to agree on the low end of the scale than on the higher end. There is such a thing as preference. Would you bang her, though?

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    • No you were right. 6.5-7.

      I had my first 8 yesterday.

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    • In the beginning she was like a 3.5-4 and at the end she’s somewhere around a 6.5-7. The earlier pictures are much worse than the later pictures — as pictures. Dig the myspace angles on the last two.

      Point being that real, hardcore changes tend to grant around 2 points on the scale. 2 points is huge.

      But yeah, I’d say tight game = 2 additional points, and physical fitness (for men) is probably around 1.5-2 points, for men.

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  52. Btw, just amazing how the final 8 pounds made such a differnece.

    Downside: Her thighs are a bit fat and threaten to blimp at the mere whiff of a bag o’ fries.

    Off-topic:

    thoughts on being a 9 or better:

    A 9 or a 10 in my book — especially a 10 — can’t just have the standard issue hourglass figure and cute face and acceptable personality. Nines and 10s – especially 10s — need something that is sort of strange about their looks, but appealing, like Barbra Streisand’s big nose and crossed eyes (in her prime) (Of course, some will disagree that barbra was a 9/10, but you get the point — you need something sort of odd and different to be a all-flags-flying 10… I’m a hard grader that way)

    Audrey Hepburn was getting pretty close to 10, but she lacked the strangeness factor. Angelina Jolie’s big lips start to qualify as potentially being an acceptable strangeness factor. Some beauties have pristinely perfect looks, such as Penelope Cruz, or singer Faith Hill when she was young — but lacking the strangeness factor, I can give them no more than a 9+ ).

    I don’t give out 10s lightly at all. It’s like how getting into Harvard: a 4.2 GPA and dozens of standard-issue extracurriculars often doesn’t cut it. You have to have done something really different and special, like having started a charity in Darfur, etc.

    Tens occupy only a most rarefied fraction of a percentile of the population. Very rare, very rarefied. Four leaf clovers don’t cut it. Five leaf clovers do.

    Thinking of guitar players as chicks, there are lots of blindingly fast virtuouso guitar players, such as Joe Satriani or John McLaughlin — (yawn! can we say error-free “typists”?) — but then there is Jimi Hendrix, who, in addition to being blindingly fast, also was strange and startingly original in a constructive way.

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  53. I’m in there at 140. Nice clear white skin – ladies, you don’t need to be tanned. You will keep your looks much later in life if you protect your skin from the sun. Women who constantly tan have skin like a football by the time they hit 40-something.

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  54. […] Sexual Market Value Boosted, One Shed Pound At A Time […]

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  55. almost guarantee 155 and 165 are transposed, and i’d go for it from the blue tank top on (minus the one labeled 155). stomach is mostly flat at that point. 140’s a party.

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  56. Shut the fuck up.

    Fact is there is nothing special about her. She is ordinary in almost every way. She has no natural gift of beauty, and hunting for flaws, I find her legs are a bit short, and her facial features may even be a bit blunt.

    Yet within 5 seconds knowing I have secured her for my pleasure I would be enlarging. By the time that little red dress was at her ankles I’d have to shift around to make sure I don’t go erect through the leg holes in my underwear. By the time her bra pops off, and she is raising her hips to slip off that last shred of modesty, I’d be full on. After 5 minutes I be at the peak. At the 15 minute mark that first hint of agony will arouse in my blue loins.

    Yes she is an ordinary girl and that’s the point. An ordinary girl has now become extraordinary because of gluttony and sloth. Using these gifts wisely she may have a long good life to look back on.

    Fuck the pointy elbows already.

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  57. sexual market value, declined in just a few seconds

    so empowered (not for the weak)

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  58. Thank you for this post, it’s very motivational. The difference between the second-to-last and last photo is inspiring because it shows how a woman can go from a cute-but-average body to a head-turning body by losing just a few pounds. My BMI is 22 now and I’ve always been in good shape (and my husband certainly isn’t complaining), but I think my body would look amazing around BMI 20. I did the math and that’s only 10lbs extra for my height. Time to hit the gym a few extra times a week. Thanks so much CH!

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  59. The before and after pic there is incredible. Good on her. If she has enough motivation to lose that much weight, she can keep it off. A hard (lzzolozlol) 8 in my book.

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  60. on August 1, 2013 at 7:51 pm suppressedtruthsociety

    “Visual proof of the damaging toll that fatness extracts from a woman’s sexual market value…”

    *Goes out and takes picture of front lawn* Look! Visual proof that grass is green!

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  61. the bolg of the subject of this thread, the redhead, is interesting and well-written. thanks to someone earlier in this thread for providing the link (don’t recall who):..

    sample quotes (not necessarily grea tones, just grabbed at random):

    “I would pinch and pull at the fat on my thighs and stomach, suppressing the urge to weep because I despaired of ever being beautiful. Because, in my eyes, being fat wasn’t beautiful. I was a big, fat, vile hambeast, and I hated my existence.”

    “With my frustration level pretty high, I had finally found the motivation to do my research on weightlifting. I started watching youtube videos, reading guides, and posting a fitness log on Something Awful to get constructive criticism on my workouts and form.”

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  62. on August 1, 2013 at 8:39 pm Some Anonymous Guy

    My sister-in-law has… some extra weight. She still manages to be pretty and somewhat attractive regardless.

    Then I saw her high school prom pics. It was like a slap from reality or something.

    Stunningly gorgeous. An easy 8.5 and I’m damn critical judge. EASILY Playboy Playmate material. Perfect face, perfect body. Once in a while, I can’t help but look at her and think what she has hiding underneath that she could be giving my brother, if only she cared enough about them both.

    It’s a damn shame.

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    • on August 1, 2013 at 8:40 pm Some Anonymous Guy

      And let me say, if the guys here rate the red dress pic above an eight, sis-in-law is a 9 if not maybe 9.5.

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  63. “at the low low price of losing 73 pounds.”

    And really this is a extremely very low price to pay for what you receive in return. Available to any and all who make a decision and then a commitment.

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    • “Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.” – heard it on some promo the other day from some guy that was, well… a fairy… but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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  64. on August 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm Customer Service

    Seriously, can we ban the chicks in these comment threads. I end up reading a comment thinking, “who the fuck would bother to write that crap” only to read the username and find it’s a girl. Women don’t think like us and it’s a waste of energy dealing with them in this forum.

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    • I used to think CH allowed it for comic relief… but even that case is hard to make any more… too much bloviation, for fewer laughs and greater aggravation.

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      • Hahaha……sure it’s aggravating for you, duh. You don’t like to be told by a girl you’re a worthless idiot. You try to escape wify at Le Chateau, only to be hounded by more women, lol. If it weren’t so pitiful, it be hilarious.

        Your complaining is smugly self-righteous. Try exercising some humility for a change, so that the “Christian” in you will be practicing what it’s preaching, my alamanian hypocrite.

        For the rest of you boring guys, your mare complaining shows your betaness.

        Carry on betas!

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 10:23 am Hugh G. Rection

        Shut the fuck up and make me a sammich, woman!

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      • Now, that’s more like it!

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      • For the rest of you boring guys, your mere complaining shows your betaness.

        Carry on betas!

        Yes. Bitching is for women.

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      • I rest my case.

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      • You don’t have a case, you dimwit. You are a case, a mental one.

        What, you think that by always replying I rest my case, it makes you some sage? It means you have nothing better to say but you feel compelled to respond. Like I said, you’re obsessive, cuz you always must put in your 2 c. (You’re Joo- obsessed too.)

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      • Silly Lily.. the gal for whom the term res ipsa loquitor was introduced into legalese.

        Oh, here I am being obsessive again… but she herself is merely thorough in stalking my replies… especially the ones where she isn’t even part of the conversation at that point.

        Not enough Ls Os and Zs in Cyberia.

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    • The Melbourne (Australia) Lair started allowing females into the Lair around five years ago. It all started to turn to shit soon after.
      Some of the females were there to learn and apply “game” on men.
      These were invariably HB5-6’s who were delusional enough to thing that “game” would get them the right guy etc.
      At best they were fucked and dumped by a slightly higher value type of guy than they were accustomed to or were passed around by some of the guys in the Lair as a cum dumpster during times of drought.

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      • I don’t think any of us are that dumb. It is said enough times that “game” for women is looks, and we’re all pretty clear on that.

        I have a site on game, and this and not being a bitch or getting used up is the basic message.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm depressed_danny

        What a coincidence! I have a female game blog too! Though it’s only one article. I’ll give you all the full version;

        Title: FEMALE GAME

        HER. BE LIKE HER.

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      • No way in hell.

        That woman will be dressing up her cats at 40 wondering why none of the alphas she was massaging in her 20’s married her.

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    • I’ve been saying this for ages. The female commentators should all be shadow/hell banned. No exceptions. Letting females into male spaces inevitably ruins the male space.

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    • The Oildrum had a contributor write a script that created a “permanently ignore” option but left control with the readers. ISTR it was a client-side script but I’ve forgotten the details.

      I have to go and fix stuff IRL but Comment Snob for mozilla/chrome should be able to be set up to do the trick.

      the problem isn’t female commentators, its males trying to engage with them. If they never got responses they’d fuck off.

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    • Most of us make our gender very obvious in our screen names, so if you hate reading female comments, we’re easy to avoid. I would think you’d want honest input from women on the other side of the game approach– women who are actually willing to tell you the ugly truth– but to each his own. IRL I am happy to help my guy friends who are trying to improve their game, and I give REAL help, not “aw, just be yourself and girls will love you” help. I go out with them, I bring one of my hot friends, we dress up and hang on the guy all night to elevate his status and then we let the girls circle in.

      As for writing “crap”– lol, with all due respect I think we all know that’s not confined to the female posts here. I’ve been reading this blog for just a couple weeks and I already know who to pay attention to and who to ignore. I’m sure you all do, too.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 10:24 am Hugh G. Rection

        There is seldom any input on the topic at hand though. Just personal anecdotes and personal attacks.

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      • From the men too – they speak about their experiences and attack others they disagree with. It’s funny the guys can’t see that their own behavior is exactly like the girls.

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      • Personal attacks aren’t helpful, but sometimes personal anecdotes can be. And what else are people going to comment on? CH usually nails it in the post, usually not much left to add.

        I think most people like back-and-forth in the comments, and the reality is that male-only forums always wind up with less of that. If you want more action, you need to let some women in… men tend to hang around where the women are, even online. And we want to be where YOU are. Is this a bad thing? Keep in mind women who post in forums like this tend to be women who actually like men, and give a damn what you think and want. Your average American girl is over on the Cosmo blogs talking about nailpolish and wedding florists.

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      • Some people only like to read nonfiction. That is the association. Now a girly girl who could actually write “what my Id made me do today”.. would probably contribute to the canon . But sooner or later y’all start talking about curtains. That isn’t the problem either. Its when we let you and that usually happens when the yurts are gone for a palace full of matriarchal hyenas and eunuchs will nothing but endless bullshit and self delusion. They just seen dat too many times.

        but I’ll show you my Id if you show me yours.

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      • It’s a deal. My Id is in overdrive lately trying to resist being jerked around mercilessly by my alpha boyfriend. Believe me I have a wealth of examples of the female Id making me do stupid, crazy, impulsive things… all in a feeble attempt to stay in relationship control. Lol

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      • You lied to me. That isn’t your Id. The part of you attached to the human reproductive colossus is quite happy, now. Your brain is just trying to keep your addiction in generous supply milked by all that jerking around. And it is with your brain that now I am speaking..so disappointing. So you may tell that Id of yours that its feeble lieutenants and Satraps will be turned away from the summit of Id depravity.

        I believe we have a breach of contract, and so I cannot disclose the contents of my bag that my Id has hand cuffed to my wrist.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 2:56 pm Hugh G. Rection

        If you like and understand men, you must also understand that men need to have spaces away from women to discuss matters of importance.

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      • No they don’t. That is what effete` fops and eunuchs require because they are never outside female dominated venues drinking tea and biscuits. Hell even a bait shop is like passing through a net on your way to Sparta. Once you pass though a gauntlet of thorns, stink and temperature extremes you can discuss anything you like without the tenderest of care.

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      • I agree, but who said this blog was ever one of those spaces? The proprietor has always written extensively about (and sometimes directly to) women in his posts, actively engaged in conversation with women in the comment section, and even recently bragged about a female commenter possibly meeting her husband here. He could censor and ban girl commenters any time he wanted, but I suspect he enjoys the attention of his female following. And there are plenty of other manosphere blogs that maintain males-only commenting policies.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:11 pm depressed_danny

        I, too, wish CH would finish building his tree house already. The NO GIRLS ALLOWED sign I painted earlier in the summer is already gathering cobwebs in the garage.

        In all seriousness; there’s basically no way we can force women off here or to dissuade them from commenting short of CH enforcing a face book log in with avatars that clearly depict what sex you are. And let’s be honest; should that ever happen the comments section would dry up faster then V(agina) around B(eta).

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Alright, I concede that point. It’s not like you’re invading our space. So I was wrong in suggesting you did.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:17 pm Hugh G. Rection

        And if we don’t want them here, we could freeze them out anyways. No harm no foul. Don’t have to read every comment.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 2:57 pm Hugh G. Rection

        This illustrates it pretty well: http://theredpillroom.blogspot.de/2012/06/female-social-matrix-playground-rules.html

        Of course those dynamics work better in a place with enforced rules.

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      • Not being silent when one is being personally attacked is not a personal attack. It’s a defense. So your problem with most of us is that we don’t take your shit.

        Just wanted that to be clear.

        Also, what you interpret as a personal attack is quite often well meaning advice. Someone tries to keep you from screwing yourself, and you react as if we asked you to murder a pet or something.

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      • Good for you… That does more to up his “street cred” than almost anything else. Having attractive women around you, instantly ups your status – other women assume, “I don’t know what he’s got, but I want some.” It may not be a “nice” picture, but it is what happens. That’s why if women see you going home with other women every night, they want some too – men don’t think that way… That’s why a woman with a lot of lovers is a slut, but a guy is a stud – it’s all about perception, and men don’t want something used if they can afford new – at least if they are “buying”. If they just want “something to drive” then a slut will do nicely, cheap, easy, no effort – she’s functional and that’s all I want. Like a rental car versus buying a new car – you just want something functional that can get you where you want to go, but for the car you’re buying – you want something with all the cool features that’s a pleasure to drive.

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  65. well, i don’t know if its a 7 or an 8, but she still preserves that ugly face.

    fat people have huge heads according with the rest of their body. when they lose weight everything turns ok but their face wich remains huge.

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  66. on August 1, 2013 at 10:43 pm FuriousFerret

    I like how a girl escaping being a fattie is labeled under ‘love’ by CH.

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  67. 9th grade we make all the fatties go through this kind of transformation and all the betas learn game… everyone’s market value increases by at least 2-3 and as much as 5 and sex is hotter across the nation. oh the utopia…

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  68. ACOG. Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight.
    Never-mind…

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  69. i know a woman- solid 7. every guy i know always says the same thing: “she needs to wax that mustache”.

    yeah. she quite attractive, but hse has a thin but noticable (up close) mustache. the second someone mentions her and i deem her attracive- that damn mustache pops in my head and i disqualify her.

    shallow. yeah. but that’s just how it is.

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  70. @Hunter from your last comment

    ‘Haha yeah, since dancefloor’s the easiest’

    I’d actually suggest the opposite. The dancefloor is probably the hardest because you have only your body language and “look,” to create attraction. You can pull chicks below your level easily, but — and this is just in my experience — chicks who are better looking than you are infinitely difficult on the dancefloor.

    ‘anyway, I like videogames… buy a gamey shirt?’

    Yeah, start thinking about yourself. What do you like? What articles of clothing represent you? I kind of keep my nerdier likes/dislikes to myself for now, because the social pressure of revealing them will get to me. So, if I were you, I’d start with something “mainstream” you enjoy. You like any sports, bands, etc.? Shit that you could just talk to a girl about (in a neutral tone….anything becomes awesome with passion) without her going ‘omg nerdo?’

    ‘seriously I like existentialism and talking about freedom of choice’

    Deeper stuff like this will start to inform your comfort routines. I mean, the real truth about this whole shebang is that you do give some part of yourself to every interaction — esp in comfort. But, refrain from talking about something this deep until you have enough value.

    Generally, and this is what PUA’s call getting her to invest, before you can drop stuff like this effectively you need to have enough value for her to start reacting to you. That’s the key.

    Until she starts reacting to you, be unpredictable, C&F, etc. etc. But when she starts — and you’ll need calibration to figure it out (when you start to speak, interrupting someone else, she immediately starts paying attention to you, other little shit etc etc etc) — then you need to shift gears. This is where the classic DHV shit comes into play; you can tell stories, etc. etc. etc. Then you can qualify some, and then hit the gears on the passion.

    And I seriously mean like:

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  71. Worth sharing. from http://www.adarkheart.com/

    Respect > Lust > Love
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    In any developing relationship – one night stands, friends with benefits, casual dating, monogamy, marriage – a very specific, unalterable progression must take place. There can be no love without preceding lust, and there can be no uncontrollable lust without respect.

    Respect.

    Everything boils down to this. A woman who doesn’t respect you will never lust after you and can therefore never fall in love. You may be thinking ‘I know plenty of guys in relationships where women don’t give two shits about them’ and you’d be correct. These are utility arrangements devoid of any deeper connection or passion. They may ‘love’ each other, but they’re not in love. Reasons abound, some of which are:

    1.She’s mooching off him. Maybe she moved into his place or they shacked up together and it makes financial sense. Maybe she’s struggling because she’s lazy, has a useless degree, has no degree, or is a single mom. Maybe he’s dumb enough to pay for everything while getting occasional, mediocre sex in return.
    2.She’s waiting for a better deal. Monkey branching is no joke. Men and women alike partake, though it’s usually women who grasp the branch tighter before swinging to the next. If you’re halfway observant, you can tell which couples have a bullshit relationship where each is getting some validation from the other while looking for the next best thing. Cheating is only a few drinks away.
    3.It’s a habit. This is one of the most dangerous traps. As creatures of habit, we tend to stick around long after logic would dictate otherwise. This is one reason why people break up, get back together, then break up again until someone finally gets it. Habits take time to form and time to break.
    4.She’s doing it just to have a boyfriend. Some girls have a ‘boyfriend’, others have a ‘boyfriend boyfriend’. You want to be the latter. Particularly common among the younger crowd, girls in their late teens/early 20′s just want someone they can brag about and call their boyfriend while doing whatever they please.
    5.Doing it for the children. Although single moms do get substantial government benefits and child support, it’s still a tough pill to swallow. A woman’s sexual market value – regardless of how hot she is – drops significantly once she’s knocked up. Any hope of snagging an alpha for long term commitment goes right out the window. It’s not always an option if the daddy is the one to bounce, but if she has a say in the matter she’ll often agree to stay (at least awhile, see #2) when faced with the alternative.
    6.The Wall. At some point, we all must decide to cash in our chips or keep searching for ‘The One’. There are many ‘Ones’ out there and it’s a matter of finding ‘One’ that fits your mold. A single woman in her 30′s onward – barring extremely good genetics, dedication to exercise, donut avoidance, and some plastic surgery – is going to have a hard time getting a man she wants. If she missed the train in her late 20′s, she’s going to ‘settle’.
    The one thing you must demand from any person you deal with, 24/7/365, is respect.

    Shit tests are respect tests. A woman may be in love with you, and still have the hots for you, but she’ll always need to know that you require respect from everyone – including her. Like the fabled house of straw crumbling at the first wind, the moment she loses respect – the foundation – is the moment her vagina dries up.

    This is the alpha mindset. You’re not swayed by feelings or declarations of love. You’re not swayed by T&A. The moment she disrespects you is the moment you let her know – regardless of commitment – that you will not tolerate it. When you stand by your core beliefs and act upon them, you have nothing to lose. She’ll respect you as a Man and give you all the love and pussy plundering you can handle. And then some.

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  72. a 5. a 6 when I am drunk

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  73. I’m sorry, she went from a 3 to a 0.
    “Those experiences awoke a rage deep within me, and gave birth to the educated feminist I’ve become today.”

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  74. on August 2, 2013 at 4:28 am Ariel Castro

    Muy bueno.

    She went from an only-a-black-would-rape, to a would-maybe-rape-if-drunk-but-not-admit-to-it, to a would-keep-in-basement-for-ten-years-and-rape-repeatedly.

    I have to go now.

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  75. Ahhh, they don’t make them like they used to in the good old days …

    Much can be learnt from watching this scene alone.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066892/

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  76. She looks best at 124 lbs. but once again big bones strikes again (well, medium-big in this case). The natural weight for her frame is probably 155 lbs. You can tell this by looking at head size. Big boned people have larger heads than thin boned people so when big boned people loose a lot of weight they look like bobble head dolls.

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  77. Classic Beta mistake submission…. this is one I wish I hadn’t made (have no idea where to post it) but I learned so much from it that I wanted to share it.

    I am teacher in China but I make a lot more than the standard because of some side work I do. Recently I have flirting with a cutie waitress who all of the sudden showed interest in me that I hadn’t detected before. I found the answer… I recently received several boxes of nice business clothes – all name brands – from America. Gold plated Seiko watch (which to the untrained looks like solid gold) and matches nicely with my gold ring from Johns Hopkins. Really nice dress shoes also. This carries lots of weight in China (in Asia actually) and after I realized the connection whenever I went to that bar / restaurant I made sure to dress for business. Things were going well. I just number closed her and that was when I made the stupid beta mistake. I gave her my business card.

    Unlike Roosh who recommended this, I don’t have a false set of business cards to hand out that say things like “Helicopter pilot and CEO of Goldman Sachs”. This will be remedied. The second she saw my business card she said in broken English “You are teacher…. very smart”. Body language told me everything else I needed to know. I could hear things snap shut with a thunder clap. She might as well have said “Oh you have herpes and AIDS and sweep the street”. It took me all of 1 second to realize the mistake.

    From her perspective this makes sense. She’s no 10 but she is cute and in a bar frequented by lots of foreigners (that is Western people). She gets hit on all the time and doubtless has choices of dick from continent and sub-continent on Earth. Most of the people who go there are not super rich and many are teachers. Those people dress like bums. Here I come in and woah… dressed nicely…. wonder what he does? He is talking to the owner a lot about some side business (this is true and it will make a good bit of money) then I drop the bomb: teacher. Sound of Jeopardy buzzer.

    Unless I land in the parking lot with a helicopter and offer to fly her to Macao this one is lost but it also got me thinking. There aren’t a lot of super rich people to be interested in her and they would simply sleep with her and move on… but there ARE enough super rich to show up and give her hope that she can hook one long term and isn’t that what all the movies and chick crack fiction books preach? That there is one megawealthy guy for every moronic girl out there and no one ever ends up alone or with the street sweeper? Oh well… my f**K up. Learn from it. Honesty is NEVER the best policy if you want poon. Dress nice, neg, be mysterious, pretend, LIE, and you get rewarded with grade A poon. Be honest and you are hugging your pillow. No wonder the world is so f**ked up….

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  78. And the second she has some poor herb locked up, all of the pounds will go straight back on. Gentlemen: keep a picture of this 3 and 8 with you, and refer to it whenever you are about to do something stupid like – for instance – bang an 8 without a franger on.

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  79. This photo series is depressing, because it reminds me what could be hiding under the fat wildebeest who shares my nuptial bed.

    On the other hand, even if I got her to melt off the extra 75 pounds, she’d still have horrible varicose veins everywhere, and sagging, stretched out tit sacs.

    I need to get some plates spinning.

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    • It’s a marriage. If you couldn’t handle life, you shouldn’t have done it.

      Count yourself fortunate that she has breasts at all…and project some of that gratitude to her. Require that she count her blessings instead of obsessing on her deficiencies and faults each and every day, and she will want to look better.

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      • Or he could install a padlock on the refrigerator.

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      • Hehehe…actually, that isn’t such a bad idea if he can establish dominance.

        Something many guys miss (but my second husband got) is that once you establish dominance, you can feel free to experiment with enforcement tactics.

        These days, men in the west are barely able to keep relevance, so they’re in no position to dream of real dominance, but marriage is an indicator the woman at least desires one’s dominance, even if she can’t quite articulate that.

        I’ll leave the specifics of how to get there to the married guys who have their woman in hand. I am not the messenger for this message.

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  80. Great post. nice pics and lot of comments!

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  81. I’ve come to the conclusion after all the negative comments about her…I’m bumping her up to a 9.

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  82. This post is a vivid reminder that there is a stupendous number of 7’s and 8’s out there just hidden under all that blubber. A tragedy.

    As to the subject chick, in my part of the country, she’s an 8 and could write her own ticket. In regions less obesity-dominated, she’d be no more than a 7.

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    • I keep telling Nicole to post some old pictures of herself

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      • They’re public on Facebook. I did indeed look more attractive when I was younger and slim, but I was also a target for a few too many knuckleheads.

        Being of African ancestry, nobody was interested in protecting me except my family, and they couldn’t be with me all the time. So I had to learn to protect myself.

        I am happier and feel safer in my world big and scary looking. It’s less attractive in general, and means I won’t get what some people view as “quality” partners, but it does attract people I view as quality.

        The guy who can talk the most trash and get away with it is alpha in the general western world. The guy who doesn’t need to talk…that’s my alpha.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 4:28 pm depressed_danny

        “The guy who can talk the most trash and get away with it is alpha in the general western world. The guy who doesn’t need to talk…that’s my alpha.”

        If he’s brooding alone in the corner he’s not alpha at all. If nobody’s acknowledging you beyond a cursory glance, you’re not alpha.

        Loud, in your face 7 > Brooding corner 9

        People like happy, outgoing persons. No exceptions. Even someone annoying lights up the room if they’re raucous and energetic. They inspire conversation, even if it’s mean spirited. They make people look at them. That’s the essence of being alpha – making the room notice you.

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      • Not talking too much and not having the option are different things.

        My alpha is the guy who chooses not to be the center of attention because he is the hunter in the forest, moving between the pretty, but irrelevant trees, searching for one of his own species.

        If he doesn’t see any, he may feign some small interest in interacting with the tiny women who would fall apart in his hands, or the sad, softies who know he can handle them, but who he would strangle with the fat of their own legs if going at it with full intensity.

        These aren’t brooding loners. These are men who just aren’t too chatty. Most of what they say to women is with the eyes or commands.

        Ain’t many of them left, but if a woman is worthy, they find us.

        My luck though, as soon as she finds out we’re dating, their ex’s behavior suddenly improves. 😦

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  83. Rollo just linked this over at his site. It’s a nauseautingly Beta-ish comment Matt King posted at Feministx’s blog:

    ******

    YES. This most essential advice is not emphasized enough in girl game. It’s what I told Kate of l’affaire Minter long ago, by the way. It’s what I told Petite Olive, what I told Maya, what I told … It is what I tell the girls and women I know. It is universally applicable, no matter how old you are.

    A woman on her own simply cannot navigate her own hypergamy. It is nearly certain she will steer herself into tragedy, left to her own devices. It’s why FemX yearns for daddy, replaces him with old men, mixes her sexuality into her striving for manliness. She needs a man who loves her but not sexually, whom she can trust, whom she is devoted to, whose advice she will follow implicitly.

    FemX has a brother, but is he patriarchal enough to rise to the occasion? Younger brothers can play this role as adults, but obviously it is harder to overcome the age hierarchy. I am big brother to many women, young and old, married and unmarried. (One risks a residual “incestuous” attraction playing this role, which must be handled, but that is a topic for another day.)

    My love has a clarity and a purpose, and it is all in a single direction, giving, never taking. Which is how I can readily say I love FemX without confusing it the way she and the rest of our hypersexualized culture does. That kind of love does not have to be exclusive or jealous, and there is absolutely no end to the supply. It is eternal.

    ******

    Matt: do you really love Femx? If so, how do you reconcile your love for her with your utter hatred and contempt for her Hindu religion (didn’t you once refer to Hindus as “a mass of brown worms” or words to that effect?)

    Do you consider being a “Big Brother” to “many women” akin to being a blue-balled Beta Orbiter?

    What does being a “Big Brother” entail, exactly?

    How do you distinguish a “Big Brother” from a “Beta Orbiter?”

    And most important…when can we expect the wedding announcement?

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    • “It’s a nauseautingly Beta-ish comment Matt King posted at Feministx’s blog”

      No it’s not. The truth is alpha.

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      • lol. do you guys have any idea how insanely schizophrenic we look to outsiders? the definitions of “alpha” and “beta” vary wildly between and betwixt the commentariat . yeah, yeah, yeah, i know… YOUR definition of alpha is the true one…

        ch, aren’t you embarrassed by this? at least 50% of the “experts” here believe that per-marital sex is a sin and that having sex with a non-virgin is “beta.” i know you don’t want to isolate your readership to one group of weirdos, but whatthefuck? why aren’t you mocking this?

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 10:44 am Hugh G. Rection

        Who gives a shit what we look like to outsiders? This is not an echo chamber.

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      • i give a shit. you should too if you want the general ideas that we’re discussing to take hold on a larger scale. ch is probably the most influential of all “game” bloggers and he/they is/are, undoubtedly, read by members of the MSM. when we (collectively) look like a bunch of fringe weirdos, it turns people off of the otherwise sound message. that’s how it works, whether you like it or not. truth be told, i’m distressed by how many of the folks here are (seemingly) completely detached from truth and reality. aren’t pretty lies supposed to perish in this space?

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      • The comment section was a lot worse in the first 4 of the 6 years of this blog.

        Back then, half the commenters wanted to literally kill cads for pursuing and trying to ruin “someone else’s daughter”. Even Matt referred to virgins as temples that shouldn’t be plundered.

        He’s come a long way and it’s gotten a lot better here. Now the main point of conflict is when young turks declare that they are more knowledgeable about game than CH and disregard his many posts that point out that the field of PUA is more complicated than a few spergy simplistic axioms.

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 3:47 pm Hugh G. Rection

        As far as pretty lies go, religion is one of the big ones. There’s a being, that’s omniscient and omnipotent but it somehow still gives a shit about your little fucking life.

        That being said, it’s good to have a place where ideas are freely discussed. We’re never going to be mainstream. This stuff is faaaar to nerdy.

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      • and that having sex with a non-virgin is “beta.”

        Not quite. Marrying a non-virgin is beta. Slightly different.

        Although since there are very few non-virgins around any more, we could soften it (slightly) to “marrying a woman with a kid is beta” and/or “marrying a woman with more than two previous sexual partners is beta”.

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      • when you consider your comment alongside the fawning that JUST occurred over kate (a woman with a kid) and mm getting engaged, you will realize that my point about our collective schizophrenic nature is accurate.

        and why 2 previous partners? why not just 1 as the cutoff? why not 3? does it matter if you’ve had only 3 partners yourself? what if you’ve had 30+? 100+? and, for that matter, why “soften” your belief structure? shouldn’t you steel your resolve and defiance in the face of a society that does not share your “standards?” if you believe that it is beta to marry a woman who has had a sexual partner other than you, why settle?

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      • when you consider your comment alongside the fawning that JUST occurred over kate (a woman with a kid) and mm getting engaged, you will realize that my point about our collective schizophrenic nature is accurate.

        Minter did about as well as could be expected short of going foreign, considering that he was a bitter divorced dude in his 50s. And no, I don’t consider him an alpha.

        and why 2 previous partners? why not just 1 as the cutoff? why not 3?

        It’s not absolute, but leaves room for a bit of wiggle room. The point is, virgins nowadays are either younger teenagers (illegal in my state), weird older spinsters (cough – Maya – cough), or extremely religious girls (no, I’m not going to convert to Mormonism for some poon, like some guys do).

        does it matter if you’ve had only 3 partners yourself? what if you’ve had 30+? 100+?

        Again, the man’s notch count doesn’t matter as much, except insofar as he has an addiction to a wide variety of poon. In a typical modern marriage involving agnostics, it’s the woman’s feeeelings that matter whether or not it stays intact.

        and, for that matter, why “soften” your belief structure? shouldn’t you steel your resolve and defiance in the face of a society that does not share your “standards?” if you believe that it is beta to marry a woman who has had a sexual partner other than you, why settle?

        Practicality. See my remarks above about virgins.

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      • “at least 50% of the “experts” here believe that per-marital sex is a sin and that having sex with a non-virgin is “beta.”

        Go wear your fedora elsewhere you jackoff.

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      • it’s a trilby, you ignoramus

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    • Matt: do you really love Femx? If so, how do you reconcile your love for her with your utter hatred and contempt for her Hindu religion (didn’t you once refer to Hindus as “a mass of brown worms” or words to that effect?)

      You can love someone even if you think their religion is shit. It’s not incongruous, but most people just don’t understand that.

      Do you consider being a “Big Brother” to “many women” akin to being a blue-balled Beta Orbiter?

      If he’s married or getting it from a select few women, then no.

      How do you distinguish a “Big Brother” from a “Beta Orbiter?”

      A beta orbiter wants to fuck the woman, and doesn’t care about her otherwise. The big brother doesn’t want to fuck her because he cares about her and is getting some elsewhere.

      And most important…when can we expect the wedding announcement?

      I don’t think that’s the point.

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      • @corvinus — well, at least you had the balls to respond on behalf of Matt, which is more than I can say for our resident Jesus – freak himself.

        Tacit agreement with my comments, or simple shame: interpret his lack of response as one or the other.

        But don’t forget that he can “readily say he loves Feministx” with a love that is “without supply” and which is “eternal.” Delusions of Godlike grandeur, anyone? Or shall we merely call it a nauseauting bit of Beta supplication?

        Matt gets pipped at the post with respect to Kate — and winds up posting declarations of love to Feministx.

        Classic.

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      • Ha. I do agree that he’s showing classic white knight behavior toward someone who mos def doesn’t deserve it, so I’ll grant you that.

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      • Tacit agreement with my comments, or simple shame: interpret his lack of response as one or the other.

        Alphie used to try to make that case… but as I told him all-too-many times, there is a third explanation… some attempts at shaming are too inane to justify with a response.

        And of course, there’s always that “frame” thing to consider as well… lulz.

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    • lolololololololololololol

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      • You forgot a couple dozen more o’s and l’s. (Though the gif-linking is a nice cherry on top.)

        Let it all out, pawn. Show everyone how intensely tickled you can be for the personal lives of anonymous strangers on the internet, especially the ones you’ve been claiming for years to float serenely, disinterestedly above.

        You people complain about the female constituency on these sites … and then act worse than a kaffeeklatch of easily-amused queens at the opportunity for gossip. Personalizing the barely outlined personae on a website — rather than engaging in dialogues about abstract concepts — is a female tell. Celebrating deliciously over a rumor is like going apeshit for the royal newborn or which tarbaby the Jolie-Pitts just rescued from Uganda.

        And you presume to give advice to men on how to be men? Predictable poseurs predictably pose. Clockwork.

        Matt

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      • Oh come on, Matt. Admit it. Your purple prose to Feministx is worthy of ridicule. Those words could have been culled out of a Beta Boy’s hearfelt letter to some prom queen he’d been masturbating to for years (which is perhaps why they came so readily to you).

        You want a Mulligan on this one? Fine. I may condescend to give you one. But you gotta ask for it.

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      • Matt this just proved my point that YOU DON’T GO OUT.

        You run solid beta/big brother game on these girls and spit your verbose shit for all to see.

        You failed the jumbotron test.
        You failed the test and whether you actually cold approach women.
        You fail.

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      • Dear Señor GO OUT MOAR,

        I do not “run” any sort of “game” on little simulations of human beings who appear exclusively on comment screens. I am here in Sodom to see whether there are ten for whose sake “I will not destroy it” (Gen 18:32). Rejoice, third-order parasite, because there are. God’s sweet mercy: you don’t deserve it. None of us do.

        Accordingly, you may now proceed confident in the fact that I am speaking to men other than you. “This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand” (Matt 13:13). This is why the little tryhard interjections and attempts to judge my worth from you and your ilk are relevant to nothing, telling the world more about your insecurities than challenging me to show my best self.

        It’s a shame. Early on, you were open minded if I recall. Now you are a parrot of a parrot of canned internet wisdom. I suggest you stop worrying about jumbotrons and cold approaches — surely you’ve mastered those basics — and start attending to the abilities that will make you an independent man, free from the constant paranoia of how the ñiggling nabobs will accept or reject you. On a website.

        Matt

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      • Do society a favor and shut the fuck up already.

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      • Who told you you could tell men to STFU?

        You fucking child in a blinged-out Goober cap…

        You weak hermana

        You fairy.

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    • How many sites did you post this to when you found it, you excitable little turd?

      I preach the Gospel of love — Deus Caritas Est — I have done so consistently from the beginning, claims of coming “a long way” notwithstanding. I take these seeming revelations to you as signs of your improvement, you haters who can’t help yourelves.

      And guess what, little man? I love you too. I hate the obsessions and diseases enthralling you, because they are destroying you. “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”

      There are maybe five people who regularly comment here who will understand what I mean, and that’s okay. I wouldn’t attempt to engage your intellect, as that has been demonstrated wanting. I am here to see who would ally themselves to the victory and who will continue to rebel and consign themselves to their own proud death. In other words — the handful of men I can have a true conversation with.

      Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

      So, as you see, I have bigger fish to fry. And reconciling your learned inanities and awkward OCD love-hate lurches to my mission is not among them.

      Love,
      Matt

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      • Do you also love Jessica Valenti?

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      • @Matt King: and those “five commenters” are: (drumroll please): PetiteOlive, Neecy, Nicole, Thwack, and Lily.

        There! Fixed it for you.

        Of course, a bigger question would be: who actually CARES what you post?

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      • You do. Demonstrably.

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      • But….do you love Jessica Valenti like you love Feministx?

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      • lol – your ongoing crusade to discredit everything Matt King says is one of the more inadvertently embarrassing displays I’ve seen online. You literally sound like a wounded puppy. If you had even a speck of self-awareness, you would have dropped this little campaign months ago.

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      • “john” = Matt King.

        If you’re going to sockpuppet, for fuck’s sake, at least don’t use another biblical name. And change the writing style, OK?

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      • Sockpuppet? Was it hard for you to type that with a straight face, or is this one of those “takes-one-to-know-one” situations?

        Thanks for the compliment though, clown.

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      • John, your comments are bad and you should feel bad.

        The cracks have finally shown in Matt King’s facade and you’re exactly in the same boat as him.

        Go out more, coward.

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      • lol – bitch, I don’t take advice from low-IQ beaners who lost the genetic lottery.

        Well, maybe unless I have a lawnmower problem.

        lololzozlz

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      • @John

        Looks like I struck a nerve.

        1) Do you go out?
        2) Do you socialize with people other than your buddies you drink beer with?
        3) Have you ever gone out by yourself and cold-approached women?
        4) Have you done any of these sober?
        5) Has anyone here gained anything from reading your little rants?

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      • Be fair now… there are many who have openly expressed interest for Matt’s viewpoints.

        The ironic thing is, I have no doubt that most of us here who go hammer ‘n tongs at one another would probably enjoy a brew together and deem the group all hale fellows, well-met.

        But until then, well… you fairy! lulz

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      • Perhaps. But there are also plenty of well-meaning commenters he’s delighted in insulting and demeaning. That being the case, he’s no cause to complain when others dish out the same treatment to him.

        Besides — “steel sharpens steel” and all that.

        And I’d still like to know if he loves Jessica Velenti like he loves Feministx.

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      • I wouldn’t call that flaccid omega pud of yours “steel”, you delusional hack.

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      • @john — but does Matt/you love Jessica Valenti in the same was as Matt/you love Feministx?

        And if not, why not?

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    • Do you realize how long this subthread is? You guys hashed this out this much over moi?

      Well, not really. Apparently I am now a tangential conduit to some pissing contest that seems to serve as some salve to hurt egos.

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      • Apparently I am now a tangential conduit to some pissing contest …

        Hey, at least you now have a purpose here.

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  84. “do you guys have any idea how insanely schizophrenic we look to outsiders?”

    Ladies?

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    • Earl, did you get an answer to why you were banned from Return of Kings comments? Your one-liners were the only reason to pore through that train wreck of a comment section. And your consistent up-votes was an indication of their quality.

      As with any comment section without up-voting, there’s a silent presumption of equality between quality and mindless spamming born of envy/resentment/petty hatred. Not that the popularity contest always works — like anything it’s dependent on who the judges are — but it is a crude filter for the bigger chunks of rubbish.

      Matt

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      • No.

        Their loss.

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      • Fuckin A.

        I’m still shocked at how some seemingly well-adjusted bloggers have their ban on a hair-trigger. They don’t understand how such precipitate bitchery undermines the silent audience.

        Only CH (and Rollo) have their heads screwed on straight over this. Look at Susan Walsh, getting rid of comments altogether. Or Sunshine Mary banning the venerable Hannah after a PMS snit.

        If you’re making enemies among the petty, you are doing it right, brother. “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.”

        Matt

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      • They aren’t my enemies.

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    • Schizophrenic? I’m QUADROPHENIC!!!

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  85. “This is the rough male equivalent of an average Joe going from a suburban shut-in to a semi-famous B-list actor. Or of a run-of-the-mill beta male mastering core game techniques, putting on ten pounds of muscle, dressing more stylishly, and behaving with unshakable overconfidence.”

    Is it the rough male equivalent of an average 5’6″ Joe becoming a 5’11” Joe?

    [CH: No, but he will see improved relations with women.]

    Or a Joe with a micropenis becoming a Joe without one?

    [No. Chicks don’t see the peen until it’s poised over the orifice entrance.]

    Or a stupid Joe becoming a smart one?

    [No. This only matters if his social milieu is entirely comprised of smart girls.]

    Or a convicted felon Joe cleaning his record?

    [No, just the opposite.]

    Or a deformed Joe becoming undeformed?

    [Depends on the deformity. Facial scars actually boost a man’s attractiveness to women.]

    Or a butt ugly Joe becoming a handsome one?

    [There will be an SMV improvement, but not to the same extent as the SMV improvement experienced by a fat girl becoming a thin girl.]

    Or a broke Joe becoming a rich one?

    [Only if by rich you mean vastly wealthy.]

    Or a mentally ill Joe becoming a sane one?

    [Excessive narcissism is a type of mental illness, and yet men who “suffer” from it do very well with the ladies.]

    Or a handicapped Joe becoming an unhandicapped one?

    [Depends on the severity of the handicap.]

    Or…or…or…

    [The funny thing about trolls is how they think the arguments behind their sarcasm are unassailable. Until someone like me comes along…]

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    • For the record (that nobody cares about), far from being a troll, I like your site, its mission, and your (or y’alls) writing. It’s like a perfectly tailored Hugo…but with a loose thread that I can’t help but pick at until it’s addressed. And that is…what about the small number of guys who’s SMV is so irrecoverably low that, no matter what they do, they will never have the takeoff SMV velocity to get a woman that they in turn are attracted to? Just a disclaimer would suffice. One post.

      Interestingly, excessive narcissism is indeed a multifold type of mental illness, and one variety of it – sometimes without a cure – it thinking that you are the most wretched, worthless, low-SMV omega in existence. Telling these guys to snap out of it doesn’t work. Check out alt.support.shyness from 1998-2008 or the omegavirgin site if you want to meet a bevy of such “men.”

      Of course, just because someone claims to be a wretched, worthless, low-SMV omega doesn’t mean he’s not…

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    • :: whistling ::

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    • [No. Chicks don’t see the peen until it’s poised over the orifice entrance.]

      And if the chick isn’t a fatass or a paper-bagger, the peen shouldn’t be small then.

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  86. While I do not disagree with your basic premise, I think this overly simplify things a bit.

    It’s obvious that this girl had above average potential to begin with. For one, she had the classic hour glass figure and attractive face. But even if we’re just talking about weight, women -even at equal height/weight, store fat very differently from one another and how and where does a girl stores fat is basically genetically determined (note: not ‘how much’ she stores fat but ‘where’)

    Some are just better naturally shaped than others.

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  87. Now lets see this and how losing weight/getting in shape/building muscle effects male SMV.

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  88. An excellent way to show how losing weight effects a woman’s sexual market value.

    Long ago, a friend was the beginning photo weighed maybe 180lbs – since she was married to a guy I knew I never really noticed her in any other way. She started dropping weight so every time I would see her every few weeks, I would notice she looked a little better, but I never really gave her a second glance, other than to pay lip-service to her efforts. “You’re looking good. Keep it up.”

    Then life intervened and I didn’t see her for almost 6 months. It was Halloween and her husband was out of town (he was on travel for more than a month) and she wanted to go to a Halloween party and he had told he she could go with me. I told her I would stop by and pick her up at 8, she said that she had a friend that would be coming with us – she was always trying to fix me up, so it wasn’t anything new. I walk up dressed as Dracula, black velvet cape with blood red satin lining, fangs, the whole 9 yards. I knock on the door and this drop-dead gorgeous creature opens the door – she’s dressed in black, curly black hair, with a spider’s web spandex outfit with spiked heels, as a “Black Widow” I do the whole, step back and take her all in – shake my head to clear the cob-webs. She pegs my interest meter and I figure this must be “the friend” and that I just might enjoy this attempt at matchmaking – then she says, “Hi, we’re running a little late so make yourself at home. I’m helping Kathy get ready so we’ll be a few minutes.”

    It was my friend’s wife… She looked absolutely nothing like the woman I had known for years. Now I NEVER poach when it comes to friends – just isn’t done. But here was a woman I had known for years and never in my widest imaginings was this creature her. She was maybe 100 lbs dripping wet. Picked my jaw up off the floor and ended up with two gorgeous creatures on my arm for that party. Spent most of the evening being sure that no one poached her and enjoying the view, then called my friend to tear him a new one since his wife was now a 9.5 easy… Brains, body, personality – she was the package… I told him he needed to get his a** home and tap-that-ass or someone else would. Later, he told me, “She didn’t look that good when I left. I swear to you she didn’t.”

    They are still married – but over the years since then she put the weight back on, one night after she had a bit too much to drink, she told me the reason was, “When I dropped all of that weight guys were hitting on me constantly, even though I knew they wouldn’t have given me the time of day before I lost all of the weight. I figured the easiest thing was to put some weight back on. When I put on 20 lbs it stopped and I was still comfortable doing things.” That was when I told her about how when she answered the door, for that Halloween party I didn’t recognize her and figured she was the women she was trying to set me up with. Now she is small, so 20 lbs knocked her down to a 7. Still cute, but nothing to pant over…

    Anyway – seeing those photos was like a walk down memory lane. She was by far the most dramatic example of how losing weight can rocket a woman from a 2 to a 10…

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    • “When I dropped all of that weight guys were hitting on me constantly, even though I knew they wouldn’t have given me the time of day before I lost all of the weight. I figured the easiest thing was to put some weight back on. When I put on 20 lbs it stopped and I was still comfortable doing things.”

      Yet another reason the male population at large needs to learn Game. If they did, women would be more willing not to pudge themselves up to keep omega creeps from hitting on them, and there would be more hot slender chicks around.

      (shakes ma haid)

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    • on August 2, 2013 at 3:43 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Oh so she didn’t enjoy being hit on?

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      • on August 2, 2013 at 3:44 pm Hugh G. Rection

        That’s gotta be the hamster at Warp 9.9999, “I love my husband so I better gain some weight so no one hits on me”.

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      • right choo are. Falling for what they say every time. What a narrative: I am so desirable I gotta eat marsh mellow and peanut butter pizza to keep the boyz from goin crazy on me….

        Bullshit . This is a fight between two Id monsters of appetite and vanity, and she is trying to make it so that they both win. How weak mindedly egalitarian of her but the chubby Id monster is winning.

        I could be Batman if I tried…bwahahahah

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      • Lol. I’m not buying it either.

        No woman would ever deliberately make herself less attractive to ward off male attention. I don’t care how virtuous or happily mated she is!

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      • No Amy, it actually does happen. Black females in the ghetto who are sexually assaulted as children often compensate by staying indoors and over eating until they are 400 pounds.

        If your mother brought strange men home every night sooner or later you wake up with one of them in your bed, walking in on you while in the shower…

        In this world, if you wanna survive, you gotta do what works no matter how self destructive.

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      • I don’t find it very credible. Where is the historical/naturalistic precedent? How does this help the genetic survival? Fuglies are also deprived of any protection while the hotties can often call upon a big stick. Only a 100 years ago fat defense would be ridiculous. Fat was associated with wealth until now and women’s wealth was dependent upon her SMV.

        Oh it might happen, but then being joined at the head with your twin might happen.

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  89. Notice how she doesn’t close her legs until the last picture?

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  90. I liked her best at 155. This makes me strange, it probably has to do with my shitty upbringing without an abundance mentality for food.

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  91. Yow! 😮 The truth shall set ye free!

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  92. on August 3, 2013 at 2:25 pm Third Beta from the Sun

    Would she still dig a beta/herb/orbiter at that new weight?

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  93. Fuck she is fine.

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  94. I think she looks great in all of the photos. Who are you to judge her on any “looks scale” ?? I know for a fact she wouldn’t “bang” such an ignorant, disgusting man no matter what her weight may be. Her beauty hasn’t changed at all, She looks just as lovely in the first picture as in the last. The objectification in this post is sickening and may your “boner nestle in” a meat grinder. 🙂

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  95. on August 7, 2013 at 5:44 am Daryl Broussard

    Any of you turd burgalars realize this “hippo” is a fucking human being, with feelings?

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    • I have feelings too. Like the feeling of revulsion when gazing upon the undulating flesh of a morbidly obese landwhale. Or when I feel the earth shake under the terrible weight of her dread wobble.

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  96. Wow. You, this post and most of these comments are fucking disgusting. Way to be a semi-decent human! Not. Scumbag. P.S. “This girl” actually IS human with eyes that can see this kind of crap that pathetic losers like yourself do–this bullshit of judging other people to make them feel like their dicks aren’t tiny and inconsequential. (Yours surely is, or you wouldn’t feel the need to post such disgusting material.) Oh and “this girl” who is actually human and has eyes also has feelings! OMG! Ever heard of them? Yeah, they’re those little things inside your empty head that kind of feel like shit when someone calls out your pointless space in the ether. Your kind make me want to vomit–you are all that is evil.

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  97. What is WRONG with you people!

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  98. Who let the dogs out?

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  99. Jesus Christ. I wonder if turtlehammer knows you posted this about her. She got that way (thin) by doing a shitload of weightlifting and could probably beat the shit out of you, by the by.

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  100. […] Visual proof that attractiveness of a woman to a man increases as the weight decreases (H/T): […]

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