July 2009 Beta Of The Month

I had to slog through a lot of reader submissions to choose two candidates for the July 2009 BOTM. How much am I getting paid for this again?

First, the winner of the June 2009 BOTM was Ryan Stokes, the Australian billionaire media heir who hitched himself to a world class cunt and couldn’t find the inner strength to dump her after she repeatedly publicly humiliated him with her sluttastic antics and was eventually caught in the badboy lair of an ex-con biker, likely getting rogered up her tight upper crust anus so hard that she shat impacted semen bricks for weeks.

Congratulations Mr. Stokes. You edged out Rod Dreher and cuntrag’s ex-Italiano eunuchio betaboy kitchen servant Vincent. That’s some tough competition you were up against. Take a bow… deeply.

July 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by third world immigration and population replacement enthusiast Seeking Alpha. It’s a Salon article written in sickeningly SWPL navel-gazing fashion by Travis D’arby, a beta so extraordinarily obtuse that he couldn’t put two and two together when his wife (wife!) refused to friend him on Facebook.

I joined the 21st Century a few weeks ago and signed up for Facebook.  While the Facebook software loaded up the names of friends it found in my AOL inbox, one in particular surprised me: my wife’s. Hers was an invitation only page so I sent her a friends request.

He stumbles across his wife’s *invitation only* FB page. This should have been a big fat red flag, but no, our intrepid anti-hero soldiers on in self-delusion.

Days passed without a reply until I confronted her about it one day while she checked her e-mail.

“So I’m good enough to marry but not good enough to be your Facebook friend?”

“I never check my Facebook page.”

I playfully took the mouse and clicked through several pages of spam until I spotted my Facebook request.

“Well, you can do it now. It’ll only take a second.”

She gave me that “don’t tell me what to do” look only a wife can deliver then promised to get around to it later.

I waited a few more days and still nothing. At first, I didn’t think much of it. She will go days without putting her laundry up until I get seeing a freshly laundered basket of clothes on the kitchen table and put her unmentionables away myself. Procrastinating in regards to my friends request seemed perfectly predictable.

Here’s a critical difference between alphas and betas: Alphas are always one step ahead of their women; betas are oblivious to the clues beaning them right between the eyes.

But last week I decided to have a little fun at her expense.  I typed “cute guy” into Google Images and created a fake Facebook profile for my chosen hunk. While my wife hogged the desktop, I sent her a friend request via my laptop. Guess what? Within minutes, she accepted my request!

While I snooped around her Facebook page, a few peculiarities caught my eye. First, no wedding pictures nor mention of her marital status. And secondly, all her Facebook friends were cute guys!

Is it me, or does this guy sound happy that his wife’s Facebook lovers are cute?

When I foolishly asked her why all of her friends had Y chromosomes, I naturally got my ass handed to me for sticking my nose in places it did not belong.

Any reader of my blog knows by now, that once a man hears this from his woman, it’s time to tell her to hit the bricks. She’s already boffing someone else. Privacy concerns take a back seat to suspicions of infidelity. D’arby writes like a reasonably intelligent guy. Why couldn’t he see what was right in front of his nose? Which brings me to…

Maxim #59: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.

I have yet to broach this topic again and am debating my next move.  Personally I don’t mind if she wants a little action on the side; it’s the being lied to that I find unacceptable. She was still a virgin when we met so I imagine a little sexual curiosity about other guys is perfectly natural.

Is it possible for a man to be more beta than George Sodini? Travis D’arby may have managed it. “Debating [his] next move”? This is the kind of mincing leftwing puke who gets mugged at gunpoint and wonders if he deserved it. Oh, but he hates being lied to. That makes the “action on the side” (such a pretty little euphemism; let’s tidy it up some more: “your wife is getting jackhammered by a roundtable of rock hard cocks and taking steaming loads to her face which drip insouciantly off her eyelashes”) totally acceptable. Keep telling yourself that, D’arby ol boy. Or should I call you D’cuckold?

D’cuckold then goes on a journey of ego salving verbal vomit as he proudly attempts to rationalize his wife’s whoring by calling for the monogamous, patriarchal institutions of the West to cede to the bright new future of polyamory. Really, you can’t make this shit up. By the way, you ever notice how advocates of the polyamorous lifestyle — you know, the guys who claim they’re OK with their wives and girlfriends fucking around — are usually fat and ugly middle-aged weirdoes or pantywaist pussboys like D’arby? I guess when human nature is too awful to bear, and your whole life is a monument to getting your teeth kicked in by reality, your autonomic reflex is to pretend you enjoy having a serpentine turd extruded into your mouth.

D’arby included a postscript to his soul searching:

My wife and I did come to an understanding of sorts last night. She belatedly apologized for snapping at me while I told her it was alright, that she no longer had to hide anything from me and that love and understanding had replaced shame and guilt as the zeitgeist of our time.

Now if only I could get her to call it something other than fish food . . .

This is quality entertainment, folks. Quality. Any further commentary would only distract from the coda to this man’s unbearable betaness of being.

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July 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was submitted by Puma. It’s about a man (and I use the term loosely) who writes to a newspaper columnist for advice (big mistake) about his whore wife’s cheating and her moment of candor where she confessed that she sexed up her lover in ways her husband can only dream she’d do to him. I’ll just go ahead and quote the whole letter. It’s comedy gold.

Dear Amy: Some years ago I caught my wife having an affair that had been going on for more than a year.

See: Maxim #59.

Desperate to save our marriage, she agreed to answer my questions and give me all the details I asked about.

One of the biggest improvements game can make to a man’s life is to help him avoid the worst beta pitfalls. A man needs to stop digging before he can start building. One of those pitfalls is the urge so many men have to find out what went wrong, to ASK ENDLESS QUESTIONS of their exes or emotionally distant wives, as if this inherently selfish emo-catharsis is somehow magically going to re-tingle their women’s cold, dry ginas.

It’s funny how every goddamn couples and marriage therapist out there recommends MORE COMMUNICATION from the man to fix failing relationships, when doing just the opposite would be more effective at rekindling the romance. There is no quicker way than MORE COMMUNICATION to confirm a woman’s feelings of disgust for a man, and to strip him of the last vestiges of his attractiveness. MORE COMMUNICATION is the war cry of the beta, the limpdicked Playdoh spear thrust wobbly at ancient enemy forces too vast and grotesque and mysterious for his tender manpuppy mind to fathom. A man would be better off keeping his trap shut and grunting one word syllables to his estranged wife. Let her fill in the blanks. I’d bet my method — One Word Game — would save more marriages than the advice handed down by the entire published oeuvre of the American Psychological Association.

We’ve gotten past all that now, and in fact our marriage is probably stronger than it was.

I bet it isn’t!

But one thing still bothers me: She admitted to performing certain intimate acts with him that she had previously refused to even talk about doing with me.

You can see it coming like a freight train. This “one thing” that bothers him is the essence of the matter. When a woman loves a man, she will do anything for him in bed. Anything, and everything. If she is not doing these things with you when you have evidence by her own words that she has done these things with other men, she doesn’t love you. She doesn’t love you like the way she loves the memories of the lovers she fucked while you slept alone in your marital bed. She may tell you she loves you, but those are just words. Female words. And female words are worth less than the air their sound waves travel through. Female actions, on the other hand, are worth all the knowledge in the universe.

She has never been able to explain why. She says, “Well I know I shouldn’t have done it, but I guess I got caught up in the moment.” And, “I wish I hadn’t! I shouldn’t have! I didn’t particularly enjoy it! I just acted without thinking!”

I understand from talking to others that this as a fairly common phenomenon in affairs.

You don’t say!

Can you enlighten me as to why?

An honest therapist or advice columnist would say: “You’re a beta. You don’t turn her on. You need to stop being a beta.” We’ll see below what this advice columnist (a woman) says to him.

Why would a woman do intimate things for a lover that she has refused to do with her husband?

Curious Husband

Have a seat, son. Let me explain to you the mystery of the gina tingle.

Here’s the advice he got:

Dear Husband: When two people are having an affair, they’re never sitting at the kitchen table with a pile of bills, trying to figure out how to make the payment on their minivan. They don’t have to take the dog to the vet for his shots.

This freedom leads people to do all sorts of things they wouldn’t normally do.

Let’s stipulate that affairs are tempting and fascinating, at least in part, because people engaged in them move outside the confines of what they see as the norm of their daily lives.

Your wife did these things for the same reason that men having affairs send flowers and steamy notes and fly off to Buenos Aires to meet their lovers — but don’t do these things for their wives.

You’ve talked about this, which is good.

The only talking that would have done any good is him telling her to slurp his knob or pack her bags.

You may influence your wife by moving out of your own comfort zone and romancing her the way a lover would.

I can’t believe this bitch gets paid to write this shit. As Puma wrote in his submission, “Begging for sloppy seconds from your own goddamned wife. Brilliant!” The entire counseling industry is smoke and mirrors designed to keep the betas running on their hamster wheels while their cheating wives are free to pursue “action on the side”.

This could prompt both of you to begin a welcome new phase of your marriage.

The phase where she waits a few months for things to blow over before boffing the street vendor?

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The voting:

Who is the July 2009 Beta of the Month winner?






Comments


  1. Roissy,

    While sodini’s whole life was one long submissive trip, his last decision was certainly not beta. Illegal, inhumane, inconsiderate, immoral but not beta.

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  2. Dude how can you say that? He went and shop up a bunch of innocent women? Are you fucking insane Lucifer? If he opened fire on a bunch of armed policemen and died in a hail of gunfire I would admit, dude had balls, but not this.

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  3. These 2 are a tough choice. D’Arby seems even more clueless, so I had to tilt that way.

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  4. D’arby, cause I fucking hate SWPL’s

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  5. The wife of 2 is a whore, and should be kiced to the kerb.

    Any man who romances his adulterous wife is an uber beta in my opinion. She cheats and does things she never would do with you? Out. Done. Finished.

    It is as simple as that. So No. 2 is a total beta herb, imo.

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  6. Roissy, you need to get paid with the volume of material you put out and the amount of traffic this site pulls. For real.

    Oh, and D’Arby is most def the BOTM. That kid couldn’t find his own testicles even if they spontaneously descended into the palm of his hands while he was jerkin it to Daily Show reruns from the Bush era.

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  7. novaseeker,

    Things have a way of sorting themselves out, however most people don’t like that non-linear sorting process.

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  8. on August 7, 2009 at 5:37 pm Cannon's Canon

    Wow, what a rollercoaster of emotion.

    Both men disgust me. My first inclination was to vote for the facebook beta. However, I noticed the smugness with which he submitted to his wife’s affairs, urging her to “call them what they are, rather than fish food.” A red flag went up in my mind. I suspected that this was some grand joke, or even the conspiracy theory that this was penned by a woman to promote selfish hypergamy. Maybe the editor at whatever venerable institution publishes these pieces added a final twist of lime to wrap things up. My voting finger moved toward the bedroom dullard.

    I sat back and reflected. The BotY Awards are a shaming device. To apply it most effectively is to label the idea that is most shameful. (this is why the billionaire won last month, despite not actually acting beta) Perception is key. Whether the facebook tale is fag fiction or not, it is not advertised as such. Readers will be encouraged to empathize with this character and take note that in pure submission, he can make his wife even happier. What insolence! What arrogance! I salute him… BETA OF THE MONTH!

    So in the end, I voted for the facebook beta. It was an aesthetic call rather than a scientific conclusion. I will now go extrude a serpentine turd.

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  9. such a pretty little euphemism; let’s tidy it up some more: “your wife is getting jackhammered by a roundtable of rock hard cocks and taking steaming loads to her face which drip insouciantly off her eyelashes”

    And you forgot the last part – “plus they’re both laughing at you while they do it, sucka.”

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  10. I can think of only one possible way #2 could redeem himself.

    He would have to fuck his whore wife anally and do A2M (ass to mouth) on her. After she’s sucked off all of her ass juice off his dick, he would end with an anal creampie (bust his nut in her butt). Finally, she would have to felch herself with one of those big curly straw tube things.

    This would all have to be filmed, and sent to the whore wife’s immediate and distant relatives, friends, co-workers, colleagues, neighbors, Congressman, etc.

    Prominent archaeologists have argued that this was part of the Code of Hammurabi, so it does have precedence. Although they didn’t have visual recording devices in ancient Babylon, so it was slightly modified and possibly performed in a public square of sorts.

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  11. WHAT??? I can’t vote for both?

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  12. BOTM Candidate #1: Silly faggitry. He’s trying to be cute.

    BOTM Candidate #2: I fucked your wife. Congrats. You’re the winner.

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  13. Roissy:

    BTW we still haven’t had your thoughts on Houellebecq’s Whatever and The Elementary Particles. Whatever eerily prefigures the recent theme here of murderous betas and o m e g a s.

    [editor: soon, thursday. i’ve been inundated with book reading requests. and enjoying the summer sun. have you read roald dahl’s books on oswald hendricks? good stuff.]

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  14. I’ve banged more than a few wives (most without preplanning; they “forgot” to mention hubby, whoops … yes, women are like this) and they rank among the freakest fucks I’ve ever experienced. More than a couple made quite clear that the freaky shit we got down to (anal, good and hard; tough-love BJs, smacking ass very hard, choking, even fisting – ie many things leading to squirting) was stuff they would NEVER contemplate doing with long-suffering hubby, to whom they went home after, dripping and gaping. If he was lucky, he’d a get a quick pop once a week. Some forced hubby to wear a rubber, but of course got barebacked by me. As for remorse for this sick cheating, I never detected any, from any of the women. Their only demonstrable sorrow, of any kind, was when I dumped them like well-spooged-on kleenex.

    Welcome to reality. BOTM #2 is therefore marginally more pathetic, but BOTM #1, in all his SWPL crapfest, is much more contemptible.

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  15. on August 7, 2009 at 5:59 pm some other guy

    Facebook Choad is an excellent Beat of the Year Candidate. Everybody should read the Salon article. This guy is George Sodini with a liberal arts degree. First his wife cheats on him; she ignores him; she succeeds in having him put her laundry away; she gets angry at him when he confronts her about her cheating. Our Beta publishes an article humiliating himself but tries to compensate for the public emasculation by boasting about his college “notches.” His combination of submissive cockoldry and shameless exhibitionism demonstrates that Facebook Choad verges on lower omega status. This guy needs to get back on the Paxil.

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  16. on August 7, 2009 at 6:00 pm some other guy

    edit: Beta of the Year Candidate

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  17. The second chose wife wont fuck him like she fucked her secret lover…..

    Fuck out of here.

    At least the facebook guy as beta as he is can pretend his wife isn’t cheating on him. The second guy should have a new woman by now. No excuses

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  18. This month presents a strong field. Betatude should include acceptance and tolerance of the unacceptable and intolerable. Esquire raises a good point about what I would imagine is the cuckold’s biggest fear…not only is she giving it up, she’s doing it like a porn star. Number 2 should win. While he’s not paying for his wife’s lover to live in his house or anything awfully awful like that, being presented with the evidence that yeah, you are essentially dickless to me, should have moved him to do something more. At least he’s being lied to by society. On the other hand, number one’s closing sentence “Now if only I could get her to call it something other than fish food.” Irks me, too pat, too complacent. He deserves to be smacked.

    Looking at the Salon article, this end of the world acceptance…I lost the game, so I am changing the rules so that I at least tied nature of it solidifies it (that and his picture seals the deal, it screams walk over me).

    “The language of infidelity is quickly fading into the past. A decade ago we used words like cheating, adultery and swinging to describe sex outside marriage, words that connote lies, hellfire and really bad aftershave respectively. But today? The broken marriage has been replaced by the open marriage.”

    Fine, dude, do this then, get divorced and experience this brave new world without paying someone else’s bills.

    SWPL, Rule Changing, bad behavior acceptance, passive aggressive discovery, damn, D’arby should know better, but doesn’t. He wins. Number two should learn his lesson, but his is just another sad story.

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  19. Dear Roissy,

    My wife was out on the town last night with a female friend, and some guy named “el chief”. Should I be worried?

    Yours truly,

    D. Baggins

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  20. Amazingly tight race this month. I went with D’Faced and Proud of It because I’m willing to give Cuckhold some excuse points for giving in to curiosity. Plus he’s a little less lamer in his response; he hasn’t become as complete a sell-out to manhood. Also, I had to re-read #2 just now because I was under the impression he had gotten that communication advice from a therapist. No direct evidence of that. But I’ll still cut him some slack because that kind of shit is just plain “in the air” as it were.

    Kocher:

    “A universal criticism of men has become their emotional withdrawal, their inability to convey their emotions, their inability to communicate and that they are not good at expressing their feelings. The assumption being made is that the feelings men are suppressing are supposed to be nice feelings and are not to be held back. That assumption is derived from liberated women’s egocentric premise that men should automatically be an unconditional source of good feelings at convenience instead of being independent entities. The feelings he’s not communicating are supposed be nice because that’s what would be useful for other people. That’s an erroneous assumption. It’s my observation that the nation should encourage this condition of emotional repression and pray to whatever deity is currently in vogue that it continue. If the serious men in this country began to regain their capacity for indignation and express the backlog of barely-controlled wrath they are repressing, there is likely to be an all-out civil war.

    “I know of two men whose wives are demanding they go into psychotherapy to end their psychological withdrawal. What these women don’t know is that if the therapy is successful, their marriage will be over. These men are disgusted, and withdrawal is the method they use of repressing their disgust and staying in the marriage.”

    http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/polam13.htm

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  21. uber cuck gets my vote. fb tool has all the eveidence he could ever want to subpoena for his divorce, and he should share it with all of her family and friends ever, and put her up for whore of the month….WOTM

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  22. btw, not following wtf does FISHFood refer too, his WOTM blowing other guys????

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  23. Roissy: what would be the best way to handle a situation where a girl you are seeing (not exclusively, mind you) is fucking other men? In your Quality Woman post, you advocate that it is normal, natural and OK for men to do so but it’s not the same thing (or OK for that matter) for a woman to do. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

    However, besides blatantly cutting off a relationship, is there a better way to handle it? One that might tug at attraction strings while arousing some of those “Dark Triad” traits that make women’s ginas tingle?

    Or, is it simply best to hand over walking papers?

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  24. Clueless Husband would appear to be a run of the mill beta, although the magnitude of betatude is particularly high, but Beta Trent D’arby is on a whole other plane. I voted Beta Number 1.

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  25. Is a man who is afraid of his wife (who is probably cheating on him) any worse or better than one whose wife is cheating on him (and is convincing himself that it is ok).

    In a related question, is the raw sewage in NYC any better than the raw sewage in DC? Would your drink either?

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  26. This is the hardest BOTM decision I’ve ever come across on this site.

    In all seriousness though, it has to be the clueless husband by a cunt hair, because he wrote in asking advice from a WOMAN in a ‘dear abby’ fashion. Have people no shame?

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  27. on August 7, 2009 at 7:27 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Hard? This one is real easy. The Facebook Beta has a lot of incriminating evidence, but no solid proof…so it’s a little easier to maintain the self-delusions he.

    Number two HAS A CONFESSION. And not just a simple one…in depth details that reveal she is doing things with her lover that she won’t even discuss with him.

    At least if FB husband actually finds out what is really going on (he may have caught her in the early stages of looking for an affair…maybe she hasn’t cheated yet…), he may be shocked into some semblance of masculinity and he may actually find it somewhere deep in his sackless soul, a shred of dignity and self worth, and he could end up dumping her.

    Cuckold gets the gory details in an explicit confession…and he looks for ways to justify and rationalize living with the shame, humiliation and rejection IN HIS FACE.

    D’cuckold wins this one by a mile.

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  28. ^ D’cuckold is the facebook guy, I think you got them mixed up.

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  29. ” How much am I getting paid for this again?’

    Roissy, would a “Donate” button linked to PayPal leave your identity (privacy) unguarded? Would a Amazon “wish list” do the same?

    Many of your loyal readers, who get about a free monthly magazine’s content out of your blog, would probably drop a ten or twenty dollar bill on you for all the entertaining posts if they but could, but presently they cannot.

    As soon as this becomes a burden for you, you should stop. You dont owe anybody anything and you have already had a big effect out there. Vox Day has even mentioned you on his blog, and how men could better understand women’s base desires by reading you. He doesn’t concur with your lifestyle (he’s a pretty religious dude), but confirms you are very right about female motivations and much else.

    Your thoughts have been well-worth reading. The most entertaining for certain since the great Udolpho hung it up (that was the most wickedly funny guy I ever read).

    Happy hunting this weekend.

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  30. Are these guys men or gays? Seriously. No straight guy would STAND FOR A SECOND a cheating wife. It’s kick to the curb time. A wife maybe preparing to cheat? Kick to the curb. Jeez!

    It’s fricking tough. But I vote D’Cuckold. My take is this guy actually LIKES IT and is harboring some sick desire for a gay threeway or something. Please.

    Geez. Those stories made me nearly upchuck. Both those guys sound gayer than gay. Is there something in the water? WTF?

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  31. on August 7, 2009 at 8:03 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Correct Brad. I meant the second husband.

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  32. Agree wholeheartedly with Dave in Hawaii. Beta number 2 has to look at his wife everyday, knowing that for everything he has contributed and sacrificed throughout the marriage, he has never recieved the kind of sexual attention that a random interloper did. The fact that the man has repressed any natural feelings of rage or contempt is evidence enough of an extreme variant of beta.
    I think in the internet/swpl age beta number 1 is a bit more common. D’arby sounds like the type of guy that can work his way up into #2’s league, so it may only be a matter of time. In fact I look forward to voting for Darby in the future after his wife forces him to watch the Facebook gangbang. I can’t vote for potential though. I’m hoping Roissy doesn’t have a limit on the times a beta can be nominated.
    Maybe I am missing something because the voting so far disagrees with me.

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  33. Brad: Woman who runs around on you gets dumped without delay or remorse. As an alpha, you have a right and atavistic need to bang all the quality pussy you can get. As a gentleman, you also have an obligation not to rub the facts regarding your schlong going all over town in any woman’s face (except when absolutely required to establish long-lasting dominance: use sparingly).

    As a harem-possessing guy, I find that, really, most women don’t ask questions they don’t want the answer to. Ignorance is quite bliss in the female mind.

    If you fuck her right regularly, her need for other cock will diminish. If she’s catting around, then, it’s to mind-fuck you; zero-tolerance on that on, bro.

    Women who want you to feel jealous about other cock are not worth any of your time; plenty more fish in the sea of poon.

    Pardon me, gents, but I have to attend to the harem …

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  34. So you have two guys, one publically whining to the internet about what his wife -might- have done, the other anonymously writing to an advice column about what his wife did, indeed, do. Because he has no idea how to handle it, he has no experience and is turning to the public in order to make a decision (or justify the one he wants to make) regarding his wife who is quite happily sponging off him while giving him less than average sex, meaning he’s willing to let her continue doing so.

    Any man who is going to write to a “Dear Abby” column on how to handle his wife’s infidelities… yeah, I’ll go with Beta #2.

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  35. About the betas in this posting:

    Folks Ive repeated this many many many times, but our laws make it IMPOSSIBLE for the betas to just walk out of their marriages without become financially beta-ized and ecnomic slaves of the state/and their ex’s.

    If a man could just pick up and LEAVE his cheating wife, plenty of betas would happily do it. Its the laws that “enforce” the betatude upon them.

    He cant just beat her ass like his grandfathers would have, that will land him in jail, professional licenses pulled, job-lost, and finacially fucked for perhaps the rest of his days. He’s certainly in a pickle. He can engage in game with her and ping her self-image and confidence down a great deal, he could also start cheating himself while getting evidence of her infidelity to use in court (if that even helps him legally, in some states it doesn’t mean a thing). The laws, ultimately, in my opinion, are the prime movers in the betatude of the majority of men. PLENTY of men could emotionally leave their cheating, disrepsectful spouses, and would……………………except it would make them utterly more-than-broke, and they wouldn’t get to see their kids.

    Our lawmakers are responsible for much of the social ills out there. Fatherlessness, shit schools, poor manners and social etiquette, skyrocketing debt. The fuckers have been derelict in their duty and have made the easy choices, and not the hard ones.

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  36. on August 7, 2009 at 8:15 pm some other guy

    Agree with Whiskey wholeheartedly. D’Cuckold is a repressed homosexual. It doesn’t take much hard reading to infer that D’Cuckold is not angry that his wife is fucking other men. On the contrary, he’s excited. Now he just needs to hit the gym to become the cute guy he always wanted to be, the kind of guy whose image he Google Searches. I honestly wish D’Cuckold the best of luck in sorting out his repressed feelings. I hope he gets his share of fish food, too, or whatever. In the meantime, though, he’s a serious contender for Beta of the Year.

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  37. @cz

    Thank you for link to the Kocher piece. Well worth reading.

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  38. “D’Cuckold is a repressed homosexual.”

    Note the overuse of exclamation points – highly correlated with homosexuality:

    “Guess what? Within minutes, she accepted my request!

    While I snooped around her Facebook page, a few peculiarities caught my eye. First, no wedding pictures nor mention of her marital status. And secondly, all her Facebook friends were cute guys!”

    You just know he uses superfluous punctuation too.

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  39. Lucifer,

    Youve written some about what will happen in response to the current situation out there with perhaps 25% of the men out there not marrying or becoming fathers in their lives.

    I think we will end up missing (years down the line, not right now) these men’s disinvestment from society. These are the men who joined the local lodges, built the playgrounds and parks, organized the local clean-ups, participated in local beautification programs, were active in local board zoning meetings, were involved in local schools and sports programs, were active in Lions Clubs and Rotary Clubs, and were various foot-soldier busybodies that helped America be a better place at the civic levels.

    Sans happy families most of these guys aren’t going to be doing any of this. Its not showing now, of course, because most of the men committed to that stuff are still doing it. But when the current middle-aged and older men quit it ten and twenty years down the line, many less will be willing to pick up the baton and carry it for our local municipalities. These things will get done professinally with tax dollars and by private companies subcontracted by communities with higher taxes, or they probably wont get done at all. It was being done for free basically out of good citizen’s own goodwill to their communities.

    I’d look for less donations to homeless shelters and programs for single moms and support for many similar things. More absent fathers will mean more thuggish-sons, so the generations behind us will likely be even more rough-trade that the current youth now.

    One can’t wreck a nation from within in just one generation. Three or four bad one’s straight (about 80 years) sure as hell can though, and do so almost irrevocably.

    Maybe this is somehow related to how some of the civilizations in antiquity really faltered. When one ponders some of the physical remains of the ruins in various places in the world like South America and the Near East, and Middle East, and some of the traces of the ancient civilizations in India, it cannot be helped when the same ponder just how these civilizations -really- fell. They appeared to be well advanced over simple barbarians that surrounded them, so why didn’t they continue to flourish and advance and are not leaders until the present times? Perhaps they got wealthy, and stagnated, and decivilized from debauchery and sup-replacement birthrates from within until they literally couldn’t defend themselves from barbarian invaders from the outside. The ruins in many cases are magnificent, obviously the product of central-planning and a managed division of labor. Yet they are gone, and we dont know much about them or why they all faded.

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  40. Z,

    In the old days, people used to say that married men loose their freedom. Times have changed, now they loose their balls, future, self, confidence.. pretty much all that makes them human.

    Laws are an important component of this new control system, but laws can only be enforced by systems that are not perpetually insolvent. I think we are about to see the effects of that limitation.

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  41. Z,

    Almost all large civilizations collapsed through their hubris and progressive ossification. Those that did not collapse, degenerated.

    However there are a few common elements in their fall. The one relevant part is that decline started when the system could no longer work for the majority.

    You might want to read about how inhabitants of the western roman empire prefered to be invaded by barbarians rather than pay high taxes to Rome and become proper Christians. The success of the roman empire was built on assimilation, trade benefits to the conquered and good administration. Somewhere along that path the ‘powers to be’ thought that taxing without providing services, poor adinistration and enforcing religion was a good idea and was without consequence.

    Evidently they were wrong.

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  42. A government is only as strong as the real economy that supports it’s revenue base.

    It is worthwhile to note that the vast majority of innovators and technocrats are not women chasing alphas. It is these people who make civilization possible. Abuse them at your own peril.

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  43. Z: we know how the Persian and Roman empires fell. Pretty much the same way we’re going down. The Persian empire was the clearest case, as we’re not suffused in the cultural fog of the survivors. Google on Mazdak some time. Late Persians had communism complete with wife-swapping. Khozarhu killed them all -a good fraction of the population, but the civil war weakened the mighty Persian empire enough they were able to be conquered by Arabs and converted to Islam.

    Two reasons D’Cuckold is more beta. 1) He’s writing under his own name. More or less an invitation: come fuck my slut wife. 2) The other guy envinces at least a sort of commitment to marriage, which even if it is sort of suicidal and ridiculous, is a lot more admirable than writing a craven essay about how he’s cool with his wife cheating on him. Maybe there are kids involved. Maybe he’s just old fashioned. Maybe he’s just dumb; he’s still more of a man than D’Cuckold, who is apparently unacquainted with the concept of shame.

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  44. Communication is stressed so that Beta won’t leave the whore. Why get rid of your money/work slave? The bitch can continue to screw behind the beta’s back while indulging in material possessions that the beta provides. Also having a “man” in the household is good for the children. The beta is a good influence to the kids. But the reality is more dark… she doesn’t love him. She just loves the security the beta provides and likes to add more spice by doing alphas.

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  45. Lupo,

    Empires that keep on doing things based on religious-type beliefs, whims, lobbies and the least common denominator will fail.

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  46. I am sitting at starbucks overhearing a rather interesting conversation.

    A first date between a 40 something recent divorcee man and a 40 something woman. The woman is thin but looks old, the man looks ok.

    She is curious if he had kids, tells him that she has her “first trial marriage under her belt”. Wants to know why woman left man, man says something about “not sure”. Most of the conversation involves her divorce, taxes, money, tax refunds etc.

    Why is the man still sitting there! Why would you want to repeat a mistake. I feel like I am watching a slow motion train crash. Oh, she went on a tour of morocco and went around
    with a local man.

    Why is this guy so dense!

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  47. Further evidence, while anonymous cuckold fades back into suburban anonymity, D.Cuckold writes the praises of fucking 50 something transsexual appearing stars:
    http://www.opensalon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/07/26/great_moments_in_milf_history
    On why he likes Gay sex (I’m not making this up):
    http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/04/23/top_10_reasons_gay_sex_rocks_this_straight_boys_world
    On why he loves taking it up the ass for the Democratic party; because he’s white and therefore guilty, that’s why!
    http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/05/19/why_do_white_guys_vote_for_republicans_gop_secrets_revealed
    Where he admits his wife won’t even fuck him twice a week:
    http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/03/24/unhappily_ever_after_a_newlyweds_struggle_2_find_happiness
    Where he admits to not having any friends:
    http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/06/22/this_is_what_a_friendless_life_feels_like

    D’cuckold needs testosterone therapy. Seriously.

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  48. The second story is obvious bullshit, just like the poster here who talks about sucking off his girlfriend’s lover.

    The first story is obviously wildly exaggerated.

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  49. I don’t understand the morbid jealousy against a cheating wife. Just leave the chick if she’s cheating and you don’t like it. You’ll also find more pussy elsewhere and be happier if you cheat on her back – and in the mean time you can find ways to use her in other ways in addition to being a comfort fuck – for example she can keep cooking for you, doing your laundry, and waking you up from your hangover so you can get to work.

    And I don’t understand the objection to polyamory and open marriages. Remember that your status goes up when you’re married and you’re going to age better than a chick. Any dude worth his salt is going to come out ahead on that one on the meat market. I know I did.

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  50. on August 7, 2009 at 10:10 pm The Fifth Horseman

    D’Arby is more Beta. For sure.

    The two guys are somewhat similar though.

    The one other dimension to this whole issue is that the man gets financially screwed in divorce court, even if his wife cheats and he leaves her.

    That is the rub. Many men accept this torture and become Betas, because the divorce industry will grind them up in a way that feels even worse that this.

    It is a horrible bind these men are in. Really.

    I am surprised that more divorced men don’t do Soldini-style shootups.

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  51. on August 7, 2009 at 10:12 pm The Fifth Horseman

    z wrote :

    Folks Ive repeated this many many many times, but our laws make it IMPOSSIBLE for the betas to just walk out of their marriages without become financially beta-ized and ecnomic slaves of the state/and their ex’s.

    If a man could just pick up and LEAVE his cheating wife, plenty of betas would happily do it. Its the laws that “enforce” the betatude upon them.

    Yes. That is the thing.

    It is not just the bottom 10% or 20% of men who are stuck like this. Easily, 80% of men could be victims of this trap.

    I daresay the wives would not cheat if the divorce laws were not so far in their favor. There would be a real cost to the wives. But presently, there isn’t.

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  52. I think the fear of your wife cheating on this blog is exaggerated. The more likely nightmare scenario is for her to:
    (1) hit the wall
    (2) become frigid
    (3) get fat
    this is a bigger problem than cheating.

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  53. on August 7, 2009 at 10:21 pm Dave from Hawaii

    I think the fear of your wife cheating on this blog is exaggerated.

    Nah, the real fear is catching your wife cheating and not only can you do nothing about it, you can actually end up being forced by the courts to have to pay her for breaking up your marriage.

    That is certainly no exaggeration.

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  54. At first glance I thought it was close. But Dear Amy guy at least thinks his wife’s cheating is over and done, even if his dream of salvaging the marriage is a beta mirage. Facebook guy is just barely aware his wife is cheating on him after its started, and can’t even call her on it or walk. Nod to D’Arby.

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  55. This was hard. I voted for 2, largely because I agree with Roissy that instead of following the advice of a female therapist or advice columnist, he should shorten his answers to monosyllabic grunts. For a start.

    Roissy-
    I guess when human nature is too awful to bear, and your whole life is a monument to getting your teeth kicked in by reality, your autonomic reflex is to pretend you enjoy [the humiliation].

    I too have long since suspected this. There was this unusually awkward black fellow I knew in high school who for his master’s degree went on a research trip to Russia. When he returned that summer he would tell me about this girl who deflowered him. Super times. Whatever.

    Later the same summer I was a bit surprised that she came to visit. I was more surprised that she was so ugly and mannish looking. (No exaggeration: she looked like a young female Dolph Lundgren.) Later that year she came to visit again. She somehow persuaded him to marry her.

    There was a small but dignified ceremony in the black church where he grew up. Very small: him, her, his mom, and for some reason me. I think I was the only guest. Very sad. We weren’t even close.

    Not a month passed. He and I were in the car one night, looking for a diner or something, when he told me that she had run off with another… woman, who was in a military service academy. (As this arrangement predated common home Internet, it remains a mystery how it happened. Letters probably.)

    So his blushing bride was a lesbian, as I suspected but could not say, and she emotionally manipulated this dolt into marrying her so that he could be her pathway to American citizenship.

    You can guess what happened next. He became a peculiar advocate for homosexual rights. He would bring it up at odd times. The friendship, as such, was weak already. I ended it. He was embarrassing to have around in good times. Last I heard he was remarried to some rural cow and is now an alcoholic.

    Beta 1 wrote this: … and that love and understanding had replaced shame and guilt as the zeitgeist of our time.

    What the hell does this mean? Wait, let me guess. Love + understanding = Obama era, shame + guilt = Bush era. Well why not. He already lets his wife decide how he lives his life. Why not let a public figure define it.

    Bizarrely, he wrote this too: Monogamy has outlived its usefulness in a modern society where the pill, abortion and DNA testing are all readily available. Why did he say this?

    Roissy- this is real wisdom: She doesn’t love you like the way she loves the memories of the lovers she fucked while you slept alone in your marital bed. She may tell you she loves you, but those are just words. Female words. And female words are worth less than the air their sound waves travel through. Female actions, on the other hand, are worth all the knowledge in the universe.

    I can’t believe this bitch gets paid to write this shit.

    While so many with useful skills continue to look for work. That’s the feeling I get from reading Amy Dickinson, but more so Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts, and most of all Carolyn Hax. Newspapers are going out of business. Maybe that’s best.

    I agree with Puma, and repost his note in support: The entire counseling industry is smoke and mirrors designed to keep the betas running on their hamster wheels while their cheating wives are free to pursue “action on the side”.

    And not just the counseling industry. The legal system, the medical system, the divorce industrial complex. Your suspicion is borne out by that recent article (from Canada I think; I’ll post a link if I can find it) which claimed that a clear majority of some kind of clinicians deliberately conceal the inconvenient truth about genetic test results from cuckolded husbands. Why? The top three reasons given (I recall imperfectly) were to keep the family together, to protect “the woman’s right to choose” and to protect the woman from her husband. Ah, the irony.

    DF- if there’s ever any honorable mentions for smartly summary comments, then yours deserves one for this: That kid couldn’t find his own testicles even if they spontaneously descended into the palm of his hands while he was jerkin it to Daily Show reruns from the Bush era. Not the cleverest thing I’ve ever read, but man I laughed out loud.

    Roissy and Thursday- Roald Dahl is a great writer. Try his short stories. Amazing stuff.

    Lash

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  56. on August 7, 2009 at 10:45 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    I’ve read your blog for about 6 months now. Since this post and the George Sodini one, I’ve never been more disgusted with American society. I really don’t think we can save ourselves now, it’s only a few more generations until the mating pattern of the baboon pack emerges in full swing. The advice column was just astounding. Comparing giving flowers and love notes to giving anal and blowjobs? God that advice columnist is out of her mind. They will never stop lying to men about what makes the gina tingle, and women will never stop lying to themselves.

    I really can’t hate these guys, they genuinely probably don’t know any better, this is what they’re told their whole lives. I vote number 2, because we don’t know whether 1’s wife actually ever spread it for some random guy non facebook.

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  57. In todays world

    If you cheat on wife – you are screwed
    If wife cheats on you – you are screwed
    If wife has your kid – you are screwed
    If wife has other guys kid – you are screwed
    If you want divorce – you are screwed
    If wife wants divorce – you are screwed
    If you run up debt – you are screwed
    If wife runs up debt- you are screwed

    I could go on, but you get the picture.

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  58. Roissy said:
    Alphas are always one step ahead of their women; betas are oblivious to the clues beaning them right between the eyes.

    Wrong. Alphas are the Men To Whom All Good Things Come. Expecting others to cater to you and generally being right about it is not the same thing as staying a step ahead of anybody.

    That’s why alphas so gullibly fall into traps set by “Sex Decoy” and “War of the Roses,” which Roissy himself cited. I’ve noticed that when alphas are dumped after years of compulsive cheating, they still go on and on about the unfairness and the hurtful betrayal of their LTR leaving them.

    It’s more accurate to say that alphas’ charm gives them a bigger margin of error to be trusting.

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  59. on August 7, 2009 at 11:16 pm Comment_Whatever

    z spoke foul lies!

    Folks Ive repeated this many many many times, but our laws make it IMPOSSIBLE for the betas to just walk out of their marriages without become financially beta-ized and ecnomic slaves of the state/and their ex’s.

    If a man could just pick up and LEAVE his cheating wife, plenty of betas would happily do it. Its the laws that “enforce” the betatude upon them.

    He cant just beat her ass like his grandfathers would have, that will land him in jail, professional licenses pulled, job-lost, and finacially fucked for perhaps the rest of his days.

    His lies are impossible because everyone is completely responsible for everything that happens to them!

    This includes all victims of serial killers to!

    Like George Ordini’s victims! They were responsible for what happened to them!

    Because everyone is responsible for everything that happens to them!

    I wish we had more personal responsibility in America.

    ATC says:

    Wrong. Alphas are the Men To Whom All Good Things Come. Expecting others to cater to you and generally being right about it is not the same thing as staying a step ahead of anybody.

    That’s why alphas so gullibly fall into traps set by “Sex Decoy” and “War of the Roses,” which Roissy himself cited. I’ve noticed that when alphas are dumped after years of compulsive cheating, they still go on and on about the unfairness and the hurtful betrayal of their LTR leaving them.

    The light! The light! I hurts my eyes!

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  60. These are the men who joined the local lodges, built the playgrounds and parks, organized the local clean-ups, participated in local beautification programs, were active in local board zoning meetings, were involved in local schools and sports programs, were active in Lions Clubs and Rotary Clubs, and were various foot-soldier busybodies that helped America be a better place at the civic levels.

    Wait, why should I risk myself physically and waste my energy on such projects for free even if I was married? If I was married, I’d want to be paid in order to prop up the leeches at home…

    These things will get done professinally with tax dollars

    You mean by people who are competent and professionally trained? God forbid we have that.

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  61. on August 8, 2009 at 1:23 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “If you cheat on wife – you are screwed
    If wife cheats on you – you are screwed
    If wife has your kid – you are screwed
    If wife has other guys kid – you are screwed
    If you want divorce – you are screwed
    If wife wants divorce – you are screwed
    If you run up debt – you are screwed
    If wife runs up debt- you are screwed

    I could go on, but you get the picture.”

    So don’t get married. There I just gave a solution too all those problems. I don’t care if your alpha, beta, omega, or something in between. The law makes no distinction, don’t ever get married no matter how well you think you can LTR game your wife.

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  62. on August 8, 2009 at 1:24 am Tupac Chopra

    z:

    Many of your loyal readers, who get about a free monthly magazine’s content out of your blog, would probably drop a ten or twenty dollar bill on you for all the entertaining posts if they but could, but presently they cannot.

    Agreed on all accounts Z. I know *I* would contribute.

    The world needs you, Roissieeeeeeeee.

    In fact, I feel current circumstance requires that you adopt a persona, or some sort of image, to go along with your role as vanguard of the new American Century.

    I suggest something along Randian lines. Rand wore a *cape* and used a cigarette holder emblazoned with a dollar sign.

    Perhaps yours could display a golden vaj.

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  63. on August 8, 2009 at 1:33 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Entering into a marriage itself under the current climate reeks of betatude. You have to be convinced you’ll be unable to get any pussy through the years to commit to one broad with no benefits other than the fact that she’s likely to be available for sex for a little while until she gets tired of you. I contest that a man in his 30s who has stayed single but has 6 month-2 year dry spells is less beta than a guy in his 30s married to some aging fat cow harpy whom he coaxes dispassionate sex out of every 2 weeks.

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  64. sexual relayshunships with whores

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  65. See: Roissy Maxim #59.</blockquote

    Do you have page going with a running list of the Roissy Maxims? It would be a handy reference.

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  66. Doh. Comment fail.

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  67. Why is it that betas seem to skew liberal democrat SWPL?

    I would hazard that there are a helluva lot more ACLU card-carrying betas than NRA card-carrying betas.

    Thoughts?

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  68. As a longtime reader and one time commenter I agree with Z and Tupac on donations. Your writing is stellar and your insights second to none. The ability to be consistently good for two years is a testament to both. Whether by tip jar or by book deal, give your readers a chance to reward excellence.
    Tupac’s “new persona” idea is good but how bout a new wing in the conservative movement. I mean if a “beta of the month candidate” can have one, anyone can. Crunchy Cons can hold their national convention in the back of a 78 Dodge station wagon for crying out loud.
    Think of all the conspiracy theories(see neocons) that could be thought up in reaction to the sinister machinations of the Roissy Cons.

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  69. I suspect there is zero chance of this question being answered, but I gots to ask:

    Roissy,

    how much money do you make off this? I genuinely want to know. Because if you’re not making say, $50k p.a. out of it, then there is something wrong with this world. Seriously.

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  70. In Texas, it is really neat to have a CHL -Concealed Handgun License. They are really hard to get. You have to have a pristine record, you have to take classes, and you have to show you are an excellent shot with a heavy caliber handgun. It is easier to qualify as a cop, fwiw. Lots of cops could not get a CHL in Texas. When you show it to a cop (you have to if yur stopped) they fucking relax because they know instantly you are most likely one of the few decent folk they encounter.
    It is a form of gold platted ID, like a Black Onyx Visa Card.

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  71. “The much-vaunted sex appeal of American women is drawn from films, reviews and pin-ups, and is in large print fictitious. A recent medical survey in the United States showed that 75 per cent of young American women are without strong sexual feeling and instead of satisfying their libido they seek pleasure narcissistically in exhibitionism, vanity and the cult of fitness and health in a sterile sense. American girls have ‘no hang-ups about sex’; they are ‘easy going’ for the man who sees the whole sexual process as something in isolation thereby making it uninteresting and matter-of-fact, which, at such a level, it is meant to be. Thus, after she has been taken to the cinema or a dance, it is something like American good manners for the girl to let herself be kissed – this doesn’t mean anything. American women are characteristically frigid and materialistic. The man who ‘has his way’ with an American girl is under a material obligation to her. The woman has granted a materia! l favour. In cases of divorce American law overwhelmingly favours the woman. American women will divorce readily enough when they see a better bargain. It is frequently the case in America that a woman will be married to one man but already ‘engaged’ to a future husband, the man she plans to marry after a profitable divorce.” – Julius Evola on Amerikan morality: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6824/evola.htm

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  72. Instead of bugging Roissy to set up some kind of pay system, I have another suggestion. It’s not MONEY that he’s short of, it’s TIME. So let’s set up something this blog sorely needs: a forum, to better organize and handle these 500-1000+ post threads.

    I suggest the phpBB software. So why don’t one of you clever Web dudes simply set one up called “Roissy in D.C.” and then hand him the keys?

    I’ve been looking at the system requirements — you need the following:

    –A webserver or web hosting account running on any major Operating System with support for PHP
    –An SQL database system
    –latest PHP.

    See the following for details:
    http://www.phpbb.com/support/documentation/3.0/quickstart/quick_requirements.php

    Once it’s in place and running, and Roissy has the chief admin privileges and passwords, he could then appoint a few subadmins to help out.

    I was going to start on this myself but the first requirement confuses me … I don’t even KNOW if I have access to “a webserver or webhosting account” (but I don’t think I do)

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  73. on August 8, 2009 at 3:06 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Church of Roissy need a motherfuckin collection plate. No ads though, just a paypal donate button.

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  74. Oh wait I think I understand… just for fun I could install and run an Apache web server on this computer, then install free MySQL, install PHP, then try to set up the phpBB forum all on this computer. Maybe I will if I feel like it but don’t hold your breath.

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  75. fuck donations.

    with 1000 comments on a given post, Roissy will have a book deal in no time.

    then he will be rich and will get David Alexander to ghost-write his blog

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  76. This is America. Rich is good. Poor is not. The kind of people who do not get this on a visceral level never got on the fucking boat in the first place.

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  77. Okay, so some guys are pussies and some chicks are dicks. The world is going to shit but I’m enjoyin’ the show.

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  78. el chief

    with 1000 comments on a given post, Roissy will have a book deal in no time.

    then he will be rich and will get David Alexander to ghost-write his blog

    And then if you’re lucky you can lick his little balls.

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  79. ”””””Rum
    This is America. Rich is good. Poor is not. The kind of people who do not get this on a visceral level never got on the fucking boat in the first place.””””””””””’

    If you are gonna be on planet yea most enjoyable way is being rich. Not just rich though but free.

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  80. ”””””””egil woxholt
    I suspect there is zero chance of this question being answered, but I gots to ask:

    Roissy,

    how much money do you make off this? I genuinely want to know. Because if you’re not making say, $50k p.a. out of it, then there is something wrong with this world. Seriously.””””””””””””’

    Roissy already said he ain’t making shit for money. He is a philanthropist.

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  81. ””””””””‘powers to be’ thought that taxing without providing services, poor adinistration and enforcing religion was a good idea and was without consequence.

    Evidently they were wrong.””””””’

    Poignant.

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  82. Q & A time!

    Q: What’s worse than a slut wife denying sex to her cuckolded husband?

    A: She suddenly offering him cunnilingus.
    ———-

    Any woman, young, old, married or single, who has a Facebook/social networking site account is a whore. Nothing wrong with that, just save yourself the heartbreak and trouble by refusing to marry or fall in ‘love’ with any one.

    Now the indignant harpies will say shit like ‘Are you saying all non-FB women are not whores’ or ‘Hey, not all FB women are whores(read: I have a FB account and I don’t want to be thought of as a whore, even though I really am)’.

    No sweeties, what I’m saying is: ALL women are whores, and should be treated likewise. But for those foolish men who are seeking a LTR soulmate and/or finding a marriage partner, the FB vs non-FB litmus test is quite effective in weeding out the sluts.

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  83. on August 8, 2009 at 5:00 am Cannon's Canon

    just to be clear:

    i’ve written some shit here about killing people. i savor that (somewhat) anonymous veil, being on teh internets. this is neither a novelty nor a luxury to me; i savor my words up until the point of, oh, any hour such as this.

    i have thought about roissy’s assertion that most murders are some form of repressed sexual urge, embodied. in retrospect, my curiosity about taking another man’s life does not seem very important or pressing after i’ve gotten a little play.

    with regard to my person: i partied my way through college, but my father was my lone referall, so i inherited no job. the financial sector in nyc contracted as soon as i blossomed my way into my network’s good graces. i should also confess that my gorgeous long-distance girlfriend dumped me around this emotional ground-zero. surely, she sensed that as i grew to lack a career plan, my dependence upon her grew correspondingly as something i could not do without. charity? ha – i was dead in the water.

    attachment issues: back in the day, i was positively smitten with my girlfriend. but as her labia blossomed into a petting zoo flower, i could not “satisfy” her while living 600 miles away. she was commendably honest. at her request, we developed a “don’t ask/don’t tell” subset to our emotional dependence, the only caveat being to confess to the other when our emotional support no longer held weight.

    i fucked other girls during this time of my life, in college. ‘game’ clicked for me because in hindsight that it applies so perfectly. intellectual, rational men continue to dismiss it, but i have lived it out. when i was emotionally unavailable, i killed it. i told girls i fucked my girlfriend back home, before and after we fucked, and extra points if i KEPT talking about her and how upset she made me that night. these were not SNLs but rather candidates who were fighting for that attention, in sobriety and full revelation.

    i returned home without a plan and was effectively dumped at the doorstep before i set foot inside the metaphorical homestead. i had finally come home to a 20 min radius of the girl i fucked for two years until mutual dehydration, and she had no words for me.

    i was dejected and despondent. my career floundered for a year at my first job, then two more at my second, because I couldn’t fulfill any destiny that I knew and was reasserted to be manifest. as soon as i settled into a groove, the advanced 9-11 economic impact spilled over and i lost an otherwise-functional job.

    i made enough money to live off the salt of the earth for a solid year. of course, this is still unsustainable and led me to apply fucking off to much of my own tax deductions.

    i am living on a (very) college campus this summer term, the dead zone. the liberalism and successful male androgyny disgust me, but i consider moving to {something like} an SEC school, where the girls are dumber and blonder (generally).

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  84. on August 8, 2009 at 5:05 am Cannon's Canon

    and also… gimme a blowjob!

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  85. Cannon check out my faz irony. Your still in school?

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  86. on August 8, 2009 at 5:30 am Cannon's Canon

    gregi, that FAZ irony plays out in GS inroy… i cured myself from terminal betat but i might bever severe my organs from chronic SUPERJEW oh ok gs didn’t mean to vocalize that…. srsly what would it take to let me in, im pretty cool!

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  87. on August 8, 2009 at 5:35 am Cannon's Canon

    one of my best friends belongs to a firm that was just bought, after a long-time dominance, by FAZ

    let’s not all get ourselves twerrsted, GSG! (ref to GungSlingerGregi, not GS the usual)

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  88. on August 8, 2009 at 6:06 am Cliff Arroyo

    I vote for facebook guy. I-need-advice guy is just dim and pathetic but his lack of understanding doesn’t affect anyone else except fuel his wife’s desire for a more interesting man.

    D’Arby is however actively evil. Not only does he enable whorish behavior in his own wife, he actively wishes for the destruction of other people’s relationships to try to maintain the self-respect he hasn’t earned and doesn’t deserve.

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  89. E-mail me lol my buddy has a friend on the inside of gs. lol
    dude only has like 200k saved so far though. So I guess they are not all superhuman.

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  90. I am about to hit the shit fulltime I can no longer focus at work. I have hit wall on doing repedative tasks that bore me.

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  91. ”””””””Cannon’s Canon
    gregi, that FAZ irony plays out in GS inroy… i cured myself from terminal betat but i might bever severe my organs from chronic SUPERJEW oh ok gs didn’t mean to vocalize that…. srsly what would it take to let me in, im pretty cool!”””””””’

    Well if ya can pull reports for 26 companies that hit positive earnings and put em up on 26 screens yea can use ya.

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  92. spunk

    <i<No sweeties, what I’m saying is: ALL women are whores, and should be treated likewise.

    A spunky but mindless statement. What is whore exactly?

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  93. Man, the comments in that Salon article are fucking sickening.

    One of the SWPL jezebels saying that the guy is ‘guilty’ as the wife for sneaking around on her.

    What the fuck?

    How the fuck is a guy checking up on his wife — that is obviously cheating — morally equivalent?

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  94. If you google around for that D’arby guy he comes up on a google groups page for men without friends.

    I’m seeing a pattern here.

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  95. ”””””’Travis D’arby,
    Bio
    I am looking for a professional writer with whom to collaborate. Here’s how the arrangement would work: I offer to go on death-defying adventures while you use your connections to find us representation. I would then write the rough drafts while you would polish them off and bring my musings up to snuff for the publisher. Send me a message if interested.””””””””””””””

    This guy couldn’t kill himself either and thinks he can go on death defying adventures and die. Yea gonna be harder than he thinks lol

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  96. WOW Travis dude just got married and didn’t talk about future lol bad sign wtf

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  97. And not just the counseling industry. The legal system, the medical system, the divorce industrial complex. Your suspicion is borne out by that recent article (from Canada I think; I’ll post a link if I can find it) which claimed that a clear majority of some kind of clinicians deliberately conceal the inconvenient truth about genetic test results from cuckolded husbands. Why? The top three reasons given (I recall imperfectly) were to keep the family together, to protect “the woman’s right to choose” and to protect the woman from her husband. Ah, the irony.

    @lash —

    Yep. Basically the entire culture at the moment is a construct to enable and empower female sexual libertinism at the expense of most men, especially the husbands of such women.

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  98. Beta #1 may actually be homosexual. What straight man sees pictures of other men on his wife’s Facebook page and thinks, “cute guys”?

    Roissy said, “betas are oblivious to the clues beaning them right between the eyes.” Not oblivious, exactly, but very good at rationalizing away the clues. As good as women are at lying and covering up, beta men are equally good at coming up with excuses for them.

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  99. re: backdoor man’s d’cuckold divorce link.

    seems to me you can tell how bad a wife and how short a marriage will be by the bridezilla quality of the wedding. if she’s not willing to elope to the justice of the peace to be with you, dump her. i know most of you say “don’t marry” in the first place, but for those guys that do still approve of a properly constituted marriage, do you agree? that could be a good male shit test

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  100. Yea did that one dana. Went fine.

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  101. In my defense it was not about a shit test just on the spot descision on value. I figured the 10 to 15k would be used better to put her further away from the debt curve. But yea did work as a good shit test he he he
    Promoted the teamwork of the family win win

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  102. Why is it that betas seem to skew liberal democrat SWPL?

    The modern liberal must tear down anything that appears to be good or right. (To understand why, find Evan Sayet’s speeches to the Heritage Foundation.) In the context of male-female relationships, that means tearing down the traditional family structure that has the father as the head of the household, with a supportive (not subservient) wife and obedient children. Therefore they will support anything which opposes that system: radical feminism, male emasculation, pushing women into the workforce and kids into government institutions, increased children’s rights, anti-corporal punishment laws, unfair divorce laws, and now homosexual marriage. Whatever it takes to make sure there’s not a single Cleaver family still out there anymore, they’ll support.

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  103. I voted for #1. It wasn’t just his reaction to his wife’s obvious infidelity that made him contemptable but the fact that, in true SWPL fashion, he had to write about the experience, celebrate it publicly and hold it up as an example to others, as if every meaningless moment of his useless life was worth sharing.

    #2 was just pathetic, and while his actions were definately beta, it seemed like he was trying to make his marriage work. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that this was manly or noble, but it’s close.

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  104. I think we have a new mission for Roissy readers:

    EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US, needs to friend D’arby’s wife.

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  105. #1 is more beta because he made his story public. he humiliated himself.

    beta #2 is at least anonimous. I bet he is someone like Paul Gowder or Ian in Hamburg

    BTW, I am sad that Ian is missing from all these diwscussions. Unless his wife has finally decided to kick his beta ass and he is curretnly being raped in divorce courts, it is sad for us to miss his wise words about Sodini

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  106. Also…That is absolutely right about privacy taking a back seat in situations like these.

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  107. Beta #1 clearly has a homoerotic fascination; whether he is a full-on homo, impossible to say. Having encountered more than one husband who asked me to bone his wife while he watched, I can confirm this is out there, quietly. And a couple of them were *not* apparent betas – I think they wanted to get off on seeing her totally put-down, being bossed around/used by two cocks, not just one. Maybe it’s a good wife-control technique. I didn’t hang around to find out.

    But I digress …

    Betas skew towards SWPL (or worse, wanna-be-SWPL) because their entire worldview is feminized, so of course they are “liberal” in the post-modern American sense. In other words, they are divorced from any biological (and therefore ultimately, political) reality. Reality does eventually intrude, however, in all areas: betas get cheated on and dumped (and ass-raped in the subsequent divorce), pussified countries get invaded by peoples with some balls left, feminized peoples get wiped out by more virile races, has-been economies collapse under their own laziness, and the law of the jungle returns … almost all those apply to the USA today, but the sun is shining, my portfolio is doing great, and I’m getting laid today by a total hottie, so who cares?

    Camille Paglia, who is a feminist any alpha should read, once famously said, about Mapplethorpe (if memory serves): “Sadomasochism is not liberal.” It sure ain’t. But betas most definitely are … which is why they are a dead-end-walking for our civilization. Fortunately, they don’t reproduce much.

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  108. It’s gotta be D’Arby, by a long shot. There is still hope for Bachelor #2. Even though he stayed with his cheating wife, he’s aware something is wrong with this choice. His biggest mistake was writing someone who gave him spectacularly awful advice (Romance her like her lover did? Really? As though you’re the one who wronged her? As though she won’t be thinking of her lover and comparing you to him the whole time?) But as long as he’s open to change, he may eventually stumble across good advice and change his beta ways.

    D’Arby is hopeless. His thinking is a closed circuit with no hope of external input. Your wife flagrantly and disrespectfully pursues other men through Facebook? No problem, just invent some convoluted logic about how Republicans are to blame somehow and monogamy is an outdated institution! His other blog post confirms it. He got married knowing full well it was a mistake, was too cowardly to walk away BEFORE the wedding and now feels trapped with someone who doesn’t respect him or his inability to pay the bills. The guy is a mess.

    Notice D’Arby married when he was in his thirties and she was a hot virgin teen – something that seems like the Holy Grail for a lot of guys here. Guess even that doesn’t work out when you’re beta.

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  109. First, a man has to be a drooling idiot for marrying at all: it’s the ONLY thing a man must avoid.

    But if you are married and your wife cheats, kick her out and fuck the law!

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  110. Lupo,

    That information about the Persians (communism with wife swapping) was very interesting. I intend to read a little about that when I get the chance. Thanks for that.

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  111. D’Arby is just an icon for contemporary marriage more than anything else, really. There is no reason for any sane, intelligent man to ever marry under the current system — none. Marriage brings out the level worst in women, and has no benefits at all for men. And that jack ass has now learned it the hard way.

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  112. Alternately, without a man’s guidance, he might get picked on by other boys, throw the ball in gym classes like a fairy, cry a lot, listen to The Cure, and dress like a fag emo.

    That’s funny. I grew up with my dad and I still throw like a fairy…

    If you don’t like either scenario, marry a decent older divorced Alpha or a greater Beta.

    Yes, instead, the kids gets to see mommy nag and berate dad to death in broken excuse for a marriage, which makes marriage even less enticing for him when he gets older. Ooops.

    Bring on the dadbots!

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  113. novaseeker,

    There is one thing tangetial to your sentiment that we often don’t describe in explicit terms, but we only imply it:

    The way women “see” men is predatory now due to the legal ramifications of breakups. Females eye males with …………

    What does a woman see when she is considering a new man she just met? A woman now is like the spider contemplating the fly entering the webbed area. All the options are hers. She has little/nothing to fear in getting married. In fact, only good can come from it in most circumstances. If the marriage fails, she gets paid–handsomely. She can call the police and accuse you of whatever and really make your life difficult at any time. No matter what she accuses you of, no matter how ridiculous, you will still be paying bail, lawyer’s fees, and court costs. Thats something for a man to think about when a relationship is getting sour. He would do well to discreetly leave it as best he can. Thats a difficult thing to do if you have let her move in with you.

    In Australia, I think there has been a move to treat couples that merely co-habitate (she moves in with you) as legally binding and her entitled to certain things upon a breakup after a fairly short period of time. Its ridiculous.

    And women call men “commitment-phobes”. Few women lose material possesions or get arrested for merely getting into a serious monagamous relationship with men, but plenty of men face those hazards.

    As an attractive single male, a man is sort of like a “mark” to many women out there who have a knowledge of her legal advantages, and it changes the way she percieves men. It will diminish the respect that should be there for any other autotomous adult. She can literally call the police for kicks after your first date and cost you a small fortune. In the back of her reptillian mind, she probably knows this. She will not be prosecuted in all likelihood for telling an officer a boatload of lies, and she knows it. If you marry her, she can screw you over and cheat on you with her boss, leave you and take a great deal of your hard earned money (read: years of your life), and your kid(s). She knows that.

    Its almost like starting a business with a partner whom you can blackmail at any time, and he knows you can blackmail him. He walks on eggshells around you, and does more than his fair share to keep the business running. He “beta-izes” himself from a professional standpoint.

    It would be harder to fall in love with someone you have such social and legal and incriminating power over, when you know you could make them misearable with the greatest of ease at your leisure. There needs to be respect before there can be love. A spider never respects a fly.

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  114. This Trent whatever is a real pussy! The article about why he votes Democrat is pure vomit. I hope his wife has a lot of fun banging her facebook buddies. At the end of the comments section,btw,someone mentions our beloved roissy and this very contest! Lets see if Trent has the scrote to post here and ‘splain POV. Doubt it…

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  115. Rebel

    First, a man has to be a drooling idiot for marrying at all: it’s the ONLY thing a man must avoid.

    Only a retard gets married period, man or woman. It brings nothing but misery, albeit “secure” misery. Give me a break with the “men” must avoid it in particular crap. The opinions on this site by and large are nothing but endless rationalizations for being stupid and shallow in general; and with women in particular. In other words visiting this site is akin to watching an inane reality show on TV. Only some here use bigger words, otherwise no difference, I’m gone honey!

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  116. Flip ant, you are completely wrong in assuming that marriage is bad for women.

    Marriage is a scam that has been designed explictly for reducing men into slaves, nothing elese.

    A woman has everything to gain by marrying, as one poster suggested.

    I must therefore assume that you are a woman: in other words, what you say is irrelevant by any meaning of that word.

    Therefore, what I have said still stands as the TRUTH.

    And, by the way, the only way not to be shallow with women is to assume that they all are like the infamous “Black widow”.
    How fitting!

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  117. For all of you questioning the sexuality of beta #1: http://open.salon.com/blog/travis_darby/2009/04/23/top_10_reasons_gay_sex_rocks_this_straight_boys_world

    Straight my ass.

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  118. haha, so he is a wannabe fag then. That figures. No wonder his wife has dozens of facebook buddies crawling into her panties while she is out “buying fish food”.

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  119. Just look at D’arby’s picture. What a sputtering, spineless doofus.

    What’s even worse is that he describes guys who were actually scoring in the 1990s as indulging in the “date rape era.” Date rape is fake — there’s real-rape, and there’s not-rape. Date rape was not-rape being reported as real-rape because of the Third Wave feminist hysteria of the early ’90s — this made people think it was OK to lie about a serious crime.

    Any guy who jumps on board this feminazi witch hunt deserves to have his scrotum boiled in pig fat. No need for it anyway.

    That includes all those fags who thought they were gonna score big-time by blasting Sublime’s song “Date Rape” from their car windows. Adopting feminist insanity is the last refuge of a pussy-deprived loser.

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  120. funny, but I think the picture on D’arby’s blog is of Anthony Rapp who played the supernerd in Dazed and Confused.

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  121. D’Arby likes a lot of meat between his buns? Heh

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  122. I don’t think D’arby is actually gay. He’s just so full of self-loathing that he wishes he was something else. Anything else.

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  123. Dear Roissy,

    Over email, I talked a craigslist hooker down from $260 to $60 per hour. Then I didn’t show up. Does this make me a bad person?

    el chief

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  124. ”””””””’el chief
    Dear Roissy,

    Over email, I talked a craigslist hooker down from $260 to $60 per hour. Then I didn’t show up. Does this make me a bad person?

    el chief”””””

    What the fuck you should have used the apocalypse opener on her could have had it free.

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  125. If she said yes of course.

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  126. First two things I did after reading D’arby’s article:

    1) Figure out if he’s Jacob from Road Trip:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0710829/

    2) See if I could find his wife on Facebook.

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  127. looks like Anthony Rapp is a fudgepacker

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  128. I require all potential GFs to read Devlin’s SUiP to vet them for unsuitable views. If they want to move from c-dumpster to bona fide GF, they need to absorb Devlin. It’s an excellent Rohrschach test for the gals.

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  129. Ironically the pcbpiper linked article shows that the guy knows what is wrong with male-female relationships.

    By saying that gay sex is better because it is less screwed up, he is saying that women are the problem.

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  130. ” the discrepancy in averages between the sexes is caused by a smaller pool of alpha men hogging a lot more of the women, because they can. it’s called social science. look it up.”

    It’s the discrepancy in medians, not averages. At the end, the averages will be the same, unless there is a lot of gay sex going on.

    For example, in a village of 10 men and 10 women, 1 man sleeps with all 10 women. That man has a notch count of 10. The other men have a notch count of 0. All the women have a notch count of 1. The median sexual partners for women is 1. The median sexual partners for men is 0. The mean for each group? 1.

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  131. #2 seems more beta since he knows for sure that his wife had an affair. He also didn’t leave her for having a steamy affair with some guy. It is possible that #1’s wife hasn’t actually cheated on him. And it’s also possible that beta husband 1 got her cherry. It’s so hot for a woman’s husband to be her first.

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  132. el chief:

    “funny, but I think the picture on D’arby’s blog is of Anthony Rapp who played the supernerd in Dazed and Confused.”

    amazing you say that. i was reading the article last night with my girlfriend and she said she thought it was the lead character from “Rent”, also Anthony Rapp.

    but i wanted to add one thing in a sort of defense of D’Arby. I was once in a relationship, four years. By the end of it, we both didn’t really like each other, but i didn’t have the balls to end it properly. i started telling myself that i wished she’d give me a reason to start seeing other girls. it was a passive-aggressive thing, but it kept me from having to actually do the breaking up. i’m not sure if this applies to D’Arby, and it’s definitely beta that he would write an article about her sneaky activities, but i’m wondering how much his dissatisfaction with his relationship has made him think this way.

    either way, he needs to dump her.

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  133. Have to vote for number 1. It just cracks me up.

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  134. on August 8, 2009 at 5:23 pm fuglyfuckling

    Dave from Hawaii, whiskey, etc.
    I’ve been through the similar shit (got betaized by the book in a long-term marriage and was too busy to notice early signs while chasing tail myself) and I tell you it’s damn fucking hard to stick to your guns if feelings are involved. And if you with her for years and you like it, for better and worse, you get those feelings, not the lust, but big fucking Love as for a relative if not more. And you forgive relatives. So while it’s pathetic, I can relate to those guys, especially the second. I can see how a weaker man could just let it go, especially if the wife actually keeps begging to stay together. You still want things to go back to what it was for quite some time but just stick to it Swingers-style – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8slB-mYCPw

    Also, I wonder how much low sex drive has to do with it. I noticed after I’d jerk off (after a #-close, hehe), I’d become more forgiving and beta-ized for hours. Perhaps if that’s how they feel all the time, that’s an explanation.

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  135. #1 wins. #2 is a damn fool, but he wins only if he follows Amy’s advice.

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  136. “I don’t think D’arby is actually gay. He’s just so full of self-loathing that he wishes he was something else. Anything else.”

    You’re right. He’s not gay, he just wishes he were, because then every time he made love, he would be – in his mind – sticking it to the patriarchy.

    What guys like him don’t get is that sex with another guy, for gay men, is like sports for straight men. It’s something we do to be around other guys and escape women for a while. It’s not something we do to piss off the patriarchy.

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  137. fuglyfuckling,

    I have a different way to explain that:

    If a guy feels he is stuck in a hopeless situation but is still in denial about it, he will play along. This is especially true if he lacks perpective or is afraid of change.

    Of course, it is also about humans giving loss greater weight than gain. Many will ride their investments into oblivion rather than cut their losses.

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  138. Katto asks, “So why don’t one of you clever Web dudes simply set one up called “Roissy in D.C.” and then hand him the keys?”

    He can do that himself if he wanted. It’s easy.

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  139. on August 8, 2009 at 7:28 pm DCDistraction

    D’arby is definitely a joke. This is all an act, and we’re falling for it.

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  140. So I watched the Swingers clip and it makes me fear change even more. At least now I can have sex on the sly which isn’t as good (fucking in a car sucks) but still have my wife cook me a decent meal everyday. I don’t want to get my own digs and end up eating sausage while on the floor. I’d have to buy a fucking alarm clock too…

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  141. ””””””””””’Of course, it is also about humans giving loss greater weight than gain. Many will ride their investments into oblivion rather than cut their losses.””””””””’

    That is true and with that knowledge I think I am ready.

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  142. on August 8, 2009 at 7:38 pm Lawyer from Hell

    on August 8, 2009 at 2:02 am Azuzuru
    “Why is it that betas seem to skew liberal democrat SWPL?

    I would hazard that there are a helluva lot more ACLU card-carrying betas than NRA card-carrying betas.

    Thoughts?”

    Because betas are sheep.

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  143. Jerrdog, based on the women who were married who made obvious overtures on me, fear of your wife cheating is no joke. [I’m beta, but because I’m a natural A-hole in some ways with little to no edits on what I say, I can appear briefly Alpha in some settings.] I’d say a goodly portion of married women cheat. You certainly find it celebrated in women’s media: movies, tv shows, magazines, Oprah, the View, etc. That’s a huge cultural shift, one that even twenty years ago would have been unthinkable.

    Now, it’s considered “hot” for a TV show to depict a woman cheating on her loyal, “friend type” beta husband. Women want (they’ve written on this ad-naseum, from Sandra Tsing Loh to Barbara Ehrenreich) as Novaseeker suggests, a beta husband to do chore and take care of the kids, and dominant Alpha sex. Best case they get this in marriage, worst case they divorce, get CS and alimony, and have a parade of guys in their bedroom while alimony/cs pays for Rosa the Illegal Alien Nanny. Increasingly marriage rates are declining (because men won’t sign up for this) and divorce rates remain high, single motherhood is increasing among White working (40%) and middle class (20%). Only moderately rich, i.e. 10-20 million net worth get married and stay married, because thats how you keep the beach house in the Hamptons. Marriage just isn’t for most people anymore because women want Alpha sex. Simple as that.

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  144. on August 8, 2009 at 7:53 pm Lawyer from Hell

    on August 7, 2009 at 8:28 pm z:

    “One can’t wreck a nation from within in just one generation. Three or four bad one’s straight (about 80 years) sure as hell can though, and do so almost irrevocably.”

    We’re a good 49+ years in, so by your own estimate there’s 30 years left (I am betting on 10) for the collapse.

    As for the charity and volunteer work, this country has been number one for both charity giving and volunteer work in the world for decades.

    I guarantee when O in the white house mandates volunteer work that the net effect will be that all charity giving and volunteering will dry up completely.

    There is nothing like forcing someone to do something for free to make him hate it utterly.

    “I gave at the office” will be the attitude dejou. When you social engineer you usually get the exact opposite of what would be good for a society.

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  145. It is not about “betas” being sheeple. It is about the vast majority of people being in denial about being mortal (both in the physical sense and in being falliable).

    If you are afraid of thinking yourself as a mortal, others will exploit your willingness to go along with any scheme that makes you feel less mortal. All traditional and secular religions are based on exploiting that weakness. There is far more similarity between Catholicism, Environmentalism, Ryandism, Economics than anyone cares to admit.

    It boils down to the need for imagining that there is external meaning in life, when it is obvious that there is none. The universe has no meaning, pattern or reality other than what you ascribe to it. Concepts such as legacy, popularity, success are concepts created by you mind to justify it’s existance.

    It is all about what you believe in, and knowing that it is so.

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  146. Damn the iPhone auto spelling corrections!

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  147. “I would hazard that there are a helluva lot more ACLU card-carrying betas than NRA card-carrying betas.”

    I think there are a lot of betas of both kinds in perhaps equal amounts. Joining mass political clubs to seek an identity for yourself is kind of a beta thing to do. An individual’s contribution to such a large, popular issues in a nation of 300million is of little consequence. It’s kind of like being a fan of the local team rather than playing a violent sport as an amateur.

    Clinton, Jon Edwards, Obama, JFK, are all alpha types (at least Obama is now but wasn’t when younger) and they are on the left.

    But I do think there’s a difference in how betas of different political orientations express their beta-tude and white knighting. I think the NRA betas are much more likely to eventually get fed up and at least express anger when a woman and social institutions abuses them. This NRA beta awakening doesn’t make them an alpha but rather an “enlightened beta”.

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  148. sheep + people = sheeple!

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  149. Off topic.

    A question for Roissy and others who have had experience living in a Latin American Countries.

    I am an American, living in Brazil for the past 6 years. I have been married for 5 of them.

    When I came here I was a Beta. Not because this is my natural disposition, but rather that I didnt know any better. I deified women, put them on a pedestal etc.

    But I was the only one doing that. I have not met a Brazilian Beta. Not one. They all have something going on the side. They treat their women with respectfully, but are at the same time acting very cynically.

    The question here is this, is being Beta inherently an American/ British/ Swiss cultural thing rather than the natural state of 80 percent of us?

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  150. on August 8, 2009 at 8:44 pm DCDistraction

    Lucifer, you are great. The whole health care farce is about people paying away their fear of mortality, and failing at it miserably. At least some of the health care money goes into technological innovation, instead of into the coffers of religious deceivers.

    Most of the patterns in life have emerged out of a fear of being un-anchored, to evade having to face the void daily. That would be fine, if people succeeded at it. But the fail at both creating meaning, finding safety, and the patterns that have developed suck big time.

    Let us embrace our roving nature, defend our independence, and satisfy our lusts, despite the overwhelming and soul-sucking cloying blanket of bureaucratic despotism and feminist coercion.

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  151. In honour of Original DJ Default User

    bhetti, don’t make me cry 😦

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  152. Mike,

    If a country has more “alphas”

    It is poor, unstable and zero-sum (+ even the “alphas” live from minute to minute, for they could be dead in the next)

    If a country has fewer “alphas”

    It is affluent, stable and non zero-sum (+ everyone has a better life).

    But woman have too much hubris to act rationally.

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  153. on August 8, 2009 at 9:37 pm DCDistraction

    Was Alcibiades good for Athens? In the end, he made their lives more interesting. We all die anyway.

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  154. Did you see brief reappearance at aoefe’s, chic?

    For you:

    Do you feel like you ever want
    To try my love and see how well it fits?

    Chic — I Want Your Love

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  155. oh bhetti, thanks for the link.

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  156. say you discover your wife has been going behind your back.

    why not charter a private flight to Siberia, go on a winter expedition to reindeer country, and leave her to thaw?

    Of course you’ve killed her but is that less acceptable than her demoralizing and destroying your family & blowing the family finances on selfish whims?

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  157. In case you have not seen it:

    There was a “talking head” doctor on CNN today who said that the sondini incident was troubling because many men could have fitted his profile and that he was the first (in her memory) mass murder who had no predispositions or extenuating circumstances.

    She also said that he might be the begining of a trend.

    I think she should be more worried about men who think like him, but prefer a more passive aggressive approach.

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  158. Lucifer:

    the doctor is correct. these crimes will be the ultimate lone wolf crimes which will make them difficult to curtail. and the thing about it is, (and i’m not saying that killing people is ever justified) these crimes will only exacerbate the problem whereas similar “terrorist” acts can often effect change that the “terrorists” want enacted. in this case, if men start popping off women, it will only *hurt* men’s cause forcing them to act even more desperately.

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  159. A strong contest this month.

    Beta #2: ultimately a sad, clueless case that may be salvageable, after a fight. More importantly, dear god, do I hate advice columnists like that one. How do they sleep at night?

    Next, beta #1. Never mind him getting high-throughput cuckolded, he can’t even get his wife to friend him on FB, and that has to be some sort of record. (Also, his wife sounds like she’ll soon upgrade to CougarCRM. Increase her conversions, like.)

    Beta #1 gets the nod.

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  160. ”””There was a “talking head” doctor on CNN today who said that the sondini incident was troubling because many men could have fitted his profile ”””””’

    Talking head must have been reading here. Someone already said this dude had good job paying decent money 250k in bank place to live decent looking and he still chose to do what he did.

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  161. Ordinarily I think these alpha/beta comparisons are ridiculous (maybe because I’m a shy, unprepossessing person myself and I more often than not sympathize with the “beta” over the “alpha” jerk.)

    But guy #1? Something is wrong here. Why is he talking about how virtuous he was for not using roofies in the 90’s? Think about that for a minute.

    He seems like he hasn’t figured out relationships yet. He had social anxiety disorder. Now he’s married, and he doesn’t realize that fidelity is a reasonable expectation in a monogamous marriage? I’m all for open relationships — they can work — but that’s a matter of both spouses agreeing to open things up. Not one spouse cheating and lying and her husband giving in and letting her. She did him wrong. It’s bizarre that he doesn’t judge her for it. Something seems very strange about this man.

    Guy #2 just seems like an ordinary man with marital problems that aren’t really his fault. Men and women do stray; it’s human nature, and (monogamous) marriage is a promise to fight human nature, which is hard. His wife let him down but he’s trying to save his marriage; actually I think that’s commendable. It’s what I would do if I had a husband who cheated on me.

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  162. this is so tough.

    Salon is the place to find type A-betas, but the second guy…who went back to his whore wife…who gave it better to other men than him….is pussier.

    B

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  163. @ Jerrdog:

    “Clinton, Jon Edwards, Obama, JFK, are all alpha types (at least Obama is now but wasn’t when younger) and they are on the left.

    But I do think there’s a difference in how betas of different political orientations express their beta-tude and white knighting. I think the NRA betas are much more likely to eventually get fed up and at least express anger when a woman and social institutions abuses them. This NRA beta awakening doesn’t make them an alpha but rather an “enlightened beta”.”

    Jerrdog,

    I 100% disagree re Obama and alpha. He is the god of SWPLers, the academic class, and spoken-word-poertry-loving-harlem-reniessance types. Not alpha at all.

    The NRA “englightened” beta is about right. The aclu beta nears omega status in many cases.

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  164. I think NRA types are just as beta, but they come from cultures where betas still have a good deal, because “Progress” hasn’t reached them yet. So, they aren’t subject (as often) to the open humiliations detailed above, and don’t have to rationalize them.

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  165. If #2 is the tragic motion picture of a failed beta, then #1 is the cuckold-porn adaptation.

    It’s kind of like Saving Private Ryan vs. Saving Ryan’s Privates.

    Also consider Pirates of the Carribean vs. Butt-pirates of the Carribean.

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  166. benjack, insane much?

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  167. benjack is about to get it 😆 😆 😆

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  168. on August 9, 2009 at 4:16 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    I’m going with Beta Number #1. It takes a certain amount of bravery/stupidity to support a system that all but guarantees you’ll be cuckolded. Stories like that make me want to weep for the future of humanity.

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  169. As an aside,does anybody remember Dr. George Sheehan? He was the “running doctor” an early hero of the running cult. In his books he was obsessed with the different types of men,the mesomorph etc.He wrote that he had skinny wrists-the mark of the ectomorph:skittish,introverted,happy in solitude,the guy who proves his manhood by how tough he is on himself,as he is quite hesitant to push his will on others,as the mesomorph does. He said that made him the right type for endurance running—as that was basically all he could do well. He was anticipating Game! He was a top notch doctor,a best selling author,a cult figure,TV talker–and yet a total beta. He never wrote about sex,directly,tho. I was a huge fan of his,and felt like he was talking to ME. Intersting to interpret him and his followers in light of Game…

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  170. I usually don’t write long comments with my iPhone, but the following has to be said.

    1. Many men are still in denial about what happened. It is astonishing to see how many still want to see him as a freak. However once you get analyse the putdowns with some perspective, it becomes obvious that he was perfectly within the normal range of behavior seen in technically minded guys.

    In case you have not realized it, we are living in a technological civilization. The technological civilization we have today (not just in the west) is an inevitable product of the changes that came with the industrial revolution. We have gone past the point of no return as early as 1880s.

    We cannot go back to any previous equilibrium, hunter-gatherer or agricultural. If we tried to, it would be uniformly fatal and even survivalists could not survive a scorched earth approach thanks in no small part to nukes and biotechnology. The real question then is- how do we stop things from coming apart?

    Luckily, technology has caused and will cause more price delflation. So we are not constrained by the ability to provide basic neccesities. The bigger issues are purchasing power, business practises and some degree of social stability.

    Social stability requires two ingredients- ability to obtain necessities and a system that encourages and rewards ability. You cannot make slaves build anything of complexity and lasting value. Even Egyptian pharohs made sure that their builders and workers were well paid, fed and cared for.

    We call this the ‘social contract’, and unlike what some people think, it cannot be enforced by anything other than rewards. Punishment can only work on a small minority in an otherwise functional system.

    Since we have a dysfunctional reward system and a technological civilization, it is not hard to imagine where it will end if we do not change course. Technological systems are dependent on guys with his profile. If they decide to give up and quit, one way or the other, we are screwed. Given the similarity of these changes throughout the world, getting techocrats from outside might not be enough (especially if they feel that they are poorly treated) which brings me to my nxt point.

    2. The response of women have ranged from “he was creepy” to “nobody is entitled to be laid”. The problem with these sets of attitudes are simple, as they depend on a few unsaid assumptions.

    a) We can enforce our view.
    b) We can identify such people.
    c) People like him will always go postal.
    d) we are sure that men would rather go on living such lives and be obedient slaves than do something (or nothing) in response.
    e) We can get away with it because we are ‘special’.

    I could explain the fallacy inherent in these beliefs, but I am typing this on an iPhone. I therefore lump them in the category of hubris, not unlike the same beliefs that are root of our current systemic economic problems.

    Such hubris comes from the human willingness to linearize trends, rather than accept that hidden saddle points can send you down a completely different path. In some respects the developments over the last 100 years has pushed us over a saddle point where the previous linearizations break down.

    We can run our economy as if it was the 18th century, but it won’t work. We can have women thinking and acting like hunter gatherers or agriculturals but it won’t work. The consequences for things not working in this case are much severe than earlier eras because we have raised the stakes and created a system that depends on human behaving in ways that our “old” mind is punishing them for.

    However the “old mind” is dependent on the “new way” for survival, not vice versa. Therein lies the real problem.

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  171. Rebel

    Flip ant, you are completely wrong in assuming that marriage is bad for women.

    Marriage is a scam that has been designed explictly for reducing men into slaves, nothing elese.

    A woman has everything to gain by marrying, as one poster suggested.

    I must therefore assume that you are a woman: in other words, what you say is irrelevant by any meaning of that word.

    Therefore, what I have said still stands as the TRUTH.

    And, by the way, the only way not to be shallow with women is to assume that they all are like the infamous “Black widow”.
    How fitting!

    Yet more rationalizing b.s. Not impressed. Marriage sucks period for the fact that it reduces people to commodities, reduces a person to an obligation. I have some friends who seem to have the best of both worlds. They are not married but she wears a wedding ring to let other guys know she’s taken. I just hope for both their sakes they don’t make it legal. Here a precious fact for you.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1088987/Huge-increase-post-nuptial-depression-newlyweds-turn-therapists-help-bridal-blues.html

    Here’s another fact. I’m a woman. Marriage sucks. Doesn’t matter that women are often the ones pushing for it. Once they get married, the honeymoon is over.

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  172. lucifer good comment but please give me more info on:

    Since we have a dysfunctional reward system and a technological civilization, it is not hard to imagine where it will end if we do not change course.

    could explain the fallacy inherent in these beliefs, but I am typing this on an iPhone. I therefore lump them in the category of hubris, not unlike the same beliefs that are root of our current systemic economic problems

    The consequences for things not working in this case are much severe than earlier eras because we have raised the stakes and created a system that depends on human behaving in ways that our “old” mind is punishing them for

    I need to get an iphone but chic is too frugal when it comes to cellphones.

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  173. I agree completely with Lucifer’s comment above.

    Let me add that I have a post up, dealing with Soldini, and my own personal observations about the collapse of volunteering wrt things like Shriners, Kiwanis etc. and the charity I’m on the board of.

    Flipant — Marriage is not about personal fulfilment. It’s about investing men and women in society and creating a stable society where almost every man has a stake in society and will defend it. You create a non-monogamous society (todays) and many guys like Soldiini will lose. Nearly all will not go postal. But nearly all won’t give a damn about society and Lucifer is right, it will collapse out of non-investment by too many men. We’re already seeing that in volunteering (America is “better” than other countries but worse compared to it’s own past).

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  174. Lucifer, great comment

    ut I still believe that the current system is capable of generating so much wealth in such an unprecedent scale, that it can last for many generations even with the upsurge in the number of parasitic people milking the Great Western Welfare States.

    the singularity won´t happen in the next 25 years, bhut times will get tougher an people who lived through the Bush years would still remember those as a golden age.

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  175. BTW, China has just introduced a plan to create Social Security there, for rural families (70% of the country).

    Chinese people save absurdly because there are no social safety nets in the country, no Social Security nor Health Care. The absurd rates of savings translates as huge trade surpluses, by an economic identity

    Once CHina introduces Social Security the need to save decreases dramaticallly and China´s reliance in foreign markets for her growth vanishes China will from now on grow on her domestic demand.

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  176. Yea it is the saving and buy big ticket items with cash that allows them the freedom to relax. No bills basically. Interesting concept on ss just like having people planning retirement for age 65. Interesting.

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  177. chic noir,

    A detailed explanation for what I said could easily top 30k words, so I am going to stick to a simpler explanation.


    Before Civilization

    Hunter Gatherer Stage- Small egalitarian bands, but with very limited options for doing the alpha,beta, omega stuff. People had to be fair by necessity, as having severely dissatisfied members in your group was bad for you.

    Agricultural Stage- All successful civilizations were patriarchal (ever wonder why), and almost everyone was required to work because of poor productivity, some scope for alpha, beta stuff (especially in ancient cities). Fewer constraints to play fair, but more severe consequences (civilizational failure)

    Renaissance Stage-Similar to previous stage, more possibility for alpha, beta stuff, but with more severe consequences for failure (including functional extinction). However we could still go back. Technology was still not yet essential for survival.

    Industrial Stage- Old rules starting to fray, capacity to create both happiness and death vastly increased. After the 1880s, average people started becoming the major part of economies. Technocrats were required to keep things going, but society accepted that and treated them well. This is when technocrats became more important for human civilization that conquerors.

    Raw courage was no match for machine guns, mass produced rifles, artillery and ships. Your success as a group now depended on being more organised, smarter, more innovative and productive than your opponent.

    Post-Industrial Age- Old rules are dead (but nobody seems to care). Working with old rules and assumptions is now indeed counterproductive. More options but many options have no immediate negative consequences.

    People assume that technocrats do not need rewards, everything works by itself and progress is eternal (technocrat or no technocrat). Women think they can get away with anything and still have the vast majority of men supporting their cause.

    Because of inertia and population profiles, that still appears to be the case. However men born after 1960 might think differently, and the influence of those born pre-1960 will keep on diminishing.

    The confounding factors are widely disseminated weapon technology and extreme dependence on a host of complex interconnected systems.

    No reward = no technocrats = no functional civilization.

    Women think they can get away with it, I have a feeling that they are in for a surprise.

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  178. gig,

    The system can generate wealth IF technocrats still play ball. However technocrats are not PUAs or super rich. You can get their cooperation only if they stand to gain something other than a minimal existence (threats do not work over anything other than the short term).

    Of course, a system so dependent on technology can be actively (obvious) or passively (neglect/ apathy) brought down by far fewer disgruntled technocrats than most would admit.

    As I have said before:

    No reward = no technocrats = no functional civilization.

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  179. I went out to chill in Baltimore last night with my o m e g a fireld Ace. Since it’s been a few years since I’ve been on the pickup scene, it was fun to check it out after having been reading this blog.

    We were at a pretty cool pub in Federal Hill area. If anyone here does the pickup scene in DC, I’d recommend F.H. in Baltimore. By 9:30 PM the place was mostly women. Not counting guys who were their with their girlfriends, I’d say the ratio was 3:1 girls to guys. The girls were all young and cute. Sort of like the ones in the recent Negs Test post, and better looking ones too.

    I made it a point ot notice that early on, there was not one ugg, cougar, or fattie at the place. They did start coming in later though.

    The music was good too. Rock, new stuff I’m not familar. Though at one point some fuckwad put about 5 rap songs on the jukebox, fucking up the mood for a half hour, but then it was new rock again.

    Anyway, by 10:15 the place was stormed by Sausage Flood. Nevertheless, it was fun to watch a real PUA in action. Some dude there, who seemed to know what he’s doing. White, fratboyish, about 25-27 years old, average height, athletic looking, and nothing flashy: jeans and a grey t-shirt.

    There was a gaggle of girls he opened by asking them if any of them has an iPhone he can take their picture with. One chick produced one, and he took their photo. No negs as far as I could tell though.

    After he took their photo, he was talking with two girls from the gaggle, seemingly payng more attention to the less-cute one. He had both girls totally engaged, with thier bright eyes and eager, grinning faces being clear buying signals.

    And then — it was like watching Discovery Channel: another girl, intrigued by the threesome, drifted hastily over to get in on the convo. Dude was smooth. Oh – and I pointed out to Acxe how he’s holding his drink low, at his belt level.

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  180. I also noticed that no one tried to AMOG this dude. There was a group of guys of “his profile” nearby, and I’m not sure if they were his buddies or not, but they just kind of stood around with their dicks in their hands, standing stifly and trying to look hard.

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  181. flip ant:

    Here’s another fact. I’m a woman. Marriage sucks. Doesn’t matter that women are often the ones pushing for it. Once they get married, the honeymoon is over.

    The reason marriage sucks for most men is due in large part to precisely the attitude you just expressed.

    Women dream about the wedding, not the marriage.

    After the honeymoon, reality sets in and they divorce their hubby in serch of new thrills…each more ephemeral than the last.

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  182. Lucifer wrote…
    “People assume that technocrats do not need rewards, everything works by itself and progress is eternal (technocrat or no technocrat). Women think they can get away with anything and still have the vast majority of men supporting their cause.”

    The assumption that progress is automatic is in fact a Marxist premise. Feminism derives from this and other Marxist premises (e.g. zero sum principle and class warfare) but the vast majority of feminists are utterly clueless about this fact. This should be no surprise as women are psychologically unfit for intellectual endeavors and leadership (i.e. political) positions. The proof is in the huge numbers of miserable, “empowered” modern women thanks to 40 years of feminism.

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  183. jeez I need to stop coming here, it is just to depressing. Who the hell are these dregs that marry and commit and then behave in such ways?
    This place may be a beacon of hope for men but man is it depressing on the condition of women.

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  184. Man or woman I think it’s embarrassing to put it out there that your partner won’t allow you on their Facebook friends list. To publicly publish an article is crazy! I vote #1. I’d also dump that chick’s ass faster than you can say c-ya.

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  185. on August 9, 2009 at 11:33 pm Comment_Whatever

    You know, Lucifer thinks it’s all so magical and complicated.

    Let me break it down.

    This man was an upper-tier technology worker and he couldn’t get laid. Or receive respect from the lawyers he worked for. And working for lawyers is probably why he snapped, by the way.

    What’s he gonna do?

    Get a job managing the local Wal-Mart. Or K-Mart. Or a warehouse. Ect. Oh, but you say a top 1% in intelligent person who was managing other IT nerds and managing a complicated computer system could NEVER handle the complexities of being a Wal-Mart manager.

    Well, I say he can. It may take a few years.. but he’ll get there.

    As soon as he is in an authority position… over young checker girls… I assure you he will accomplish his ‘goal’ of getting laid by a young woman quite quickly enough.

    The lower hours can be used to learn Game…. the lower stress will prolong his life and make him still better at game… the confidence from actually being a ‘big dog’ will make him even better with the ladies.

    There. Problem solved.

    Oh, the lawyers little computer system?

    Who cares?

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  186. Comment_Whatever,

    Do you think civilization will survive if your strategy is used by people like him?

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  187. I feel sorry for the guy they are with.. must take a lot of imagination.

    Or maybe they think that threatening, nagging and screwing over guys is sex?
    _______________________________
    Many women keep having, enjoying sex as they age.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5754NI20090806

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  188. Well, remember, these women are going to get old. Do you want to be around them when they are 65? Women live longer than men, but, they wear out sooner. A lot of them are good for nothing by that age. Some become quite repulsive physically, and, if their personalities were poor to began with, well, you are stuck with her for decades. If she didn’t screw around on you when younger, it is likely because of simple lack of opportunity. Women also come to like their furry pets more than their husbands.

    Unless you have a very unusual girl, maybe that 1 in 50 or 100, don’t marry her. Suppress the urge to marry. You can get the benefits in other ways. You’ll have to create you own social networks, though. That will be good for you.

    My thanks again to M’Lady for reminding me just how non-insightful women are. Ladies like M’Lady are perfect for short term relationships. They are so dense you can screw them, knock them up, and have them have your child, sever the relationship (What did it take, a couple of slaps, some drug taking, and a lack of income?), and walk away. The lady raises the child without bothering you, and feels proud and independent about the whole thing.

    And, get this, she BRAGS about it. It’s really rich. M’Lady is really sort of a beta of the year candidate for a female.

    Here we are knocking her all the time, and she turns out, in some ways, to have been the ideal woman for the man who was the love of her life.

    Tough luck about the boy, but, every situation has its downside.

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  189. I am surprised that more than a few men who have commented on the story in UK identify with the guy, and they read the guardian!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/09/george-sodini-barbara-ellen?commentpage=1

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  190. Roissy,

    You are on salon.com now. Expect SWPL traffic to increase
    __________________________________________
    Pickup artists: Gym shooter is one of us

    http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/08/06/hatred/index.html

    Anna at Jezebel rooted out a post on the blog Roissy in DC in response to news of Sodini’s lady troubles.

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  191. Roissy,

    You are on salon.com now. Expect SWPL traffic to increase

    Roissy – time to start getting those cigarette holders engraved.

    I’m telling you.

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  192. Whiskey

    Marriage is not about personal fulfilment.

    If marriage WAS personally fulfilling no one would get divorced.

    Tupac

    The reason marriage sucks for most men is due in large part to precisely the attitude you just expressed.

    It sucks because it sucks. It’s the nature of the beast. They don’t call it an “institution” for nothing. Virtually everyone who gets married ends up feeling enslaved by it. Marriage is not natural period. If two people want to stay together in order to be loving and friendly towards each other, bravo!!

    Love is not a noun. There is no such thing as “love”; only loving or not and no one is loving all the time. Hence the reality. It’s not me who is not into the reality. I love it. It can be either men or women who can’t handle it.

    Why the constant insistence on men being one way all the time and women being another? It’s usually men are good intentioned hard working honest chaps and women are opportunistic parasites. Interesting!

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  193. Marriage means giving up freedom for security, but the security makes you miserable. You can always tell which couples are married people because they essentially look dead. You can’t have it both ways. Personally I prefer insecurity. It’s more realistic.

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  194. I’d wouldn’t do that to a man and yet I don’t have one. The world can be a crappy place. had some girls about laugh at me because I said I like the nerdy ones. They went on to talk about where there are cute guys. Right under their noses but oh well.

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  195. z wrote:
    “It would be harder to fall in love with someone you have such social and legal and incriminating power over, when you know you could make them misearable with the greatest of ease at your leisure. There needs to be respect before there can be love. A spider never respects a fly.”

    Love? Overrated. Biochemically no different from eating large quantities of chocolate.

    Fall in LUST, pump and dump, that I can understand and appreciate. That’s the whole premise of game, and blogs like this.

    Women never love men genuinely, they only love what he can provide for her, usually material, tangible stuff. Take away that ability/willingness to provide for her, and watch that ‘love’ fizzle off like a glass of stale beer.

    Even if you are a sucker for this kind of ‘love’, there’s no need to sign a contract to ‘formalize’ it. Continue to have your lovely monogamous relationship with your soulmate without the ring.

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  196. With regards to the first beta… Game in a long term relationship which gives a dude good strong control of his woman is something which can only be developed right from the get go, or damn near it. If a dudes wife has got him like this by the time they’re married, there is no turning things around with her. I’d say this guy’s gotta either clean the slate and dump the bitch (and she is one nasty goddam bitch) or think up some truly “nuke from orbit” sort of move straight out of left filed, knocking her flat on her whoring ass and leaving her reeling with shock… An off the top a my head example that comes to mind: flagrantly getting busy on cheating with as many fly girls as possible, and making sure she soon sees the obvious clues. If she calls him on it, tell her to fuck off and go fuck her little facebook buddies.

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  197. Note:

    I meant to say left field

    and

    considering the sheer dodo stupidity of beta 1, I really really find it unlikely that he’s going to pull off any nuke from orbit moves or even grow the sack to leave her… Sadly, he’ll more likely then anything else simply keep toddling along, complacent as a slave, until she ditches him flat out.

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  198. D’arseface wins.

    Beta #2 did not publish under his real name. He at least understood that marriage involves some sort of commitment, and tried (albeit rather pathetically) to keep his marriage together.

    D’arby arrives at the conclusion that, rather than growing a pair, his wife’s cheating is “ok” because she needs to explore her sexuality, or some such nonsense.

    Funny thing is that most of the brainless-liberal types who have no objections to their wife’s straying attentions wouldn’t dream of sleeping around while married.

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  199. [editor: soon, thursday. i’ve been inundated with book reading requests. and enjoying the summer sun. have you read roald dahl’s books on oswald hendricks? good stuff.]

    Very curious what roissy and commenters will think about The Elementary Particles ‘final solution.’

    Impressed with roissy bringing up Roald Dahl’s Uncle Oswald books. Great inspiration for anyone aspiring to the title of Most Interesting Man in the World.

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  200. I’ve been pretty disgustingly intriqued by D’arby sense this was posted. I’m starting to think he may be FLAME?

    Anyone else think he is duping us? Read the title again…its almost a parody title of the second nominee.

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  201. Watch this and try to tell me that learning pua isn’t a positive life changing event that can help any man.

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  202. on August 10, 2009 at 10:22 am mandy been here a while

    @Mike

    The question here is this, is being Beta inherently an American/ British/ Swiss cultural thing rather than the natural state of 80 percent of us?

    A few weeks ago commenters talked about Anglo Saxon culture.

    Most would agree with what you have experienced: the Anglosphere host a special pathology all its own with respect to gender relations and the like.

    @flip ant

    Marriage is not about trading freedom for security it is about children. Well, at least historically, nowadays it is sold as being about romance and personal fulfillment. That was absolutely not the original intent.

    So yes, both adults were expected to give up some of their freedom in order to raised children properly in the home of the two natural parents (exceptions like orphans and remarried widow(er)s notwithstanding.) It wasn’t about “enslaving” women either.

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  203. Don’t make these so difficult to choose between. Or give us an option to tie. They BOTH make me sick.

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  204. @aoefe

    Is going out with someone your age really beta move?
    i am dating multiple women- all of them are younger than I am- some are much younger; but the girl that i like the most is the one that is my age.

    She is the one that plays the most games as well.

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  205. Marriage is not about trading freedom for security it is about children. Well, at least historically, nowadays it is sold as being about romance and personal fulfillment. That was absolutely not the original intent.

    i agree with this in spirit, but marriage is an evolved social institution; therefore, it is not correct to speak of intent. evolution simply rewards success and punishes failure. the process involves no a priori value judgments. judgment comes into the picture after the fact when we assess what makes certain things successful and how to replicate that success in the future. morality is, or should be, the codified system of what makes for successful human interaction.

    for the above reasons beta #1 is bowed head and slumped shoulders below the rest. #2 is just a regular guy who has internalized all the bad advice about how to attract and keep women. at the end of the day he wants what most men want: a happy relationship with a faithful wife. d’arby is something entirely other than a normal man. he’s obviously a closeted gay who is so filled to the brim with self-loathing that he wishes not only to destroy himself, but to bring down the very society that birthed and raised him.

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  206. Marriage is not about trading freedom for security it is about children. Well, at least historically, nowadays it is sold as being about romance and personal fulfillment. That was absolutely not the original intent.

    i agree with this in spirit, but marriage is an evolved social institution; therefore, it is not correct to speak of intent. evolution simply rewards success and punishes failure. the process involves no a priori value judgments. judgment comes into the picture after the fact when we assess what makes certain things successful and how to replicate that success in the future. morality is, or should be, the codified system of what makes for successful human interaction.

    for the above reasons beta #1 is bowed head and slumped shoulders below the rest. #2 is just a regular guy who has internalized all the bad advice about how to attract and keep women. at the end of the day he wants what most men want: a happy relationship with a faithful wife. d’arby is something entirely other than a normal man. he’s obviously a closeted gay who is so filled to the brim with self-loathing that he wishes not only to destroy himself, but to bring down the very society that birthed and raised him.

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  207. Marriage is not about trading freedom for security it is about children. Well, at least historically, nowadays it is sold as being about romance and personal fulfillment. That was absolutely not the original intent.

    So yes, both adults were expected to give up some of their freedom in order to raised children properly in the home of the two natural parents (exceptions like orphans and remarried widow(er)s notwithstanding.) It wasn’t about “enslaving” women either.

    Exactly.

    If we were trying to come up with a relationship model that brought men and women the most sexual and emotional excitement, fulfillment and satisfaction over the course of a lifetime, it would NOT be marriage. That is certain.

    Yet that is precisely what our contemporary culture is trying to make out of marriage: complete and sustained personal satisfaction and fulfillment emotionally and sexually for decades on end. When we see most people expecting that from marriage, we can easily see why divorce rates are so high — marriage isn’t designed to provide that.

    What the current culture is trying to do, when it comes to marriage, is drive a square peg into a round hole: it doesn’t work. We’re trying to get both maximum sexual and emotional satisfaction over the course of a life yet still have the government approved stable relationship for kids and family. While a handful of couples may end up with both, most will not — that’s reality.

    So where from here? It depends on what we want. If as a culture we think personal sexual and emotional fulfillment are the core values of our culture (because, some may say, the child bearing and raising years are a small part of life given today’s life expectancies), then we should revise marriage to be open (the only way most people will get that) or, probably better, get rid of it altogether and raise children collectively in state child care. That way men and women can fuck around, chase their emotional 6 for their lives and be completely free, while children get some form of stability — not in the form of a family, of course, but again if we make personal fulfillment our core social value, then antiquated ideas like “family” need to disappear.

    If, on the other hand, we think raising the next generation of humans most effectively is our core value, then we would change marriage back to what it was — not a prison for women, but a place of stability for children.

    Right now we’re trying to split the baby by pretending marriage is personally fulfilling over the course of a lifetime in sexual and emotional excitement terms — and it’s working terribly badly. People are being wrecked by divorces, children’s lives are being disrupted, and men are withdrawing from full participation in the culture.

    As between our two more realistic choices, I think the second one is better than the first, because under the first we essentially become, in social terms, like sub-saharan africa: men and women pursuing sex and excitement, men not investing lick in society, and more or less complete social stagnation. But hey, at least the women get to fuck who they want, right?

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  208. on August 10, 2009 at 11:58 am mandy been here a while

    @JR
    d’arby is something entirely other than a normal man. he’s obviously a closeted gay who is so filled to the brim with self-loathing that he wishes not only to destroy himself, but to bring down the very society that birthed and raised him.

    I think you have just offered the most succinct explanation post-moderism/deconstructionism/modern America I’ve ever read.

    @novaseeker

    Indians claim the modern Western view of the perfect spouse is: a red hot lover, a soul mate, a best friend, a financial asset, good looking, and totally in love with you.
    They are right that expecting one person to fill all roles over a lifetime is impossible. Astrology and family compatibility probably do help select better partners.

    Unless the economy collapse or men completely refuse to marry (the marriage strike is not as widespread as some believe) I just don’t see any incentive for women to lobby for a new system.

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  209. @Game in BK – “Is going out with someone your age really beta move?”

    Good question. I can only base this on my personal experience. The men who’ve been very interested in me and have wanted ltr’s have been my age or younger and to a man are beta in behaviour. I don’t think their interest means they’re beta – which is where I wasn’t clear before. Of course alpha males can be interested in woman their own age or even older potentially. I think there could be an alpha male my age who would be interested in me (cuz I rock) but I haven’t met him. My experience with alpha males had been them wanting me exclusively for a period of time and then declaring themselves unready for commitment and are off to dating again. I guess I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that compared to the younger models I’m not as hot and they can have a smorg so they go for it. Interestingly to me the guys I pick seem to want a commitment which is the only reason I ‘gave up the goods’. I’m not even sure they don’t think they want that at first but when faced with more opportunities they take them. My last alpha male bf from the Spring occasionally keeps in touch, in fact even told me recently he destroys his own happiness hinting strongly he was very happy with me even though he dumped me. He also said you never know we might get back together. I think he likes the thought of keeping me in a back pocket in case he doesn’t meet someone hotter. Screw him and the horse he rode in on is what I say. Had I not come to Roissy’s I wouldn’t have understood the male mentality and would have felt like I could help him ‘heal’ from past heartaches and stayed in the back ground waiting for him to get his head on straight. Now I feel indifferently about him. I use my experience with him when game is discussed here and it’s always bang on.

    I’m searching for an older man at present because I would be really hot to him and he’d be far more likely to want to build something than look around for younger. I’m strategic in this regard. That said I’m very picky and have met quite a few older men who I wouldn’t give five more minutes of my time. The man in the running right now is 13 years older (I look 20 years younger), has a great career, very intelligent, great conversationalist, believes in male leadership (we’ve discussed it).

    I guess to sum it up the fact that you’re interested in a woman your own age doesn’t have to have anything to do with beta – it’s likely she’s the hottest and most interesting of the group you have going. Just sayin…

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  210. #1 for the win. It is infuriating. That dude needs a violent reprimand…. Reading that was like watching someone allow their dog to take a shit on the kitchen table.

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  211. Unless the economy collapse or men completely refuse to marry (the marriage strike is not as widespread as some believe) I just don’t see any incentive for women to lobby for a new system.

    @mandy bhaw —

    Of course — I don’t expect that either. What I expect is a continuation of the same: relatively high rates of marriage (compared to non-anglo western countries), continued high levels of divorce, and “fatherlessness”, which will lead to decreased male parental and social investment, and pressures for the government to step even further into child care and family life. I expect that over the next 10-20 years, the “normal” family will be a mother/child dyad, and it will be considered a bit eccentric for a child to be living together with both bio-parents.

    As a social thinker, I see this as a disaster. But as a man, it kind of looks a lot like freedom for men, to me — if, of course, men are smart enough to not participate in the system. The reality is most will participate in it and will pay the price for that. But for men who opt out, the freedom permitted to them in the coming decades will be immense.

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  212. Mandy

    Marriage is not about trading freedom for security it is about children. Well, at least historically, nowadays it is sold as being about romance and personal fulfillment. That was absolutely not the original intent.

    We’re free enough to choose bondage if we like and if it IS a choice it’s not really bondage. Many go into marriage expecting some happily ever after scenario where security and passion coexist. Isn’t that why so many cheat? The two don’t go hand in hand. Whatever the original intent in marriage was, it no longer applies. Time to rethink/recreate the entire social construct or eliminate it. But it’s up to each person individually. I’m not interested in trying to recreate anyone else’s life. Just my own.

    So yes, both adults were expected to give up some of their freedom in order to raised children properly in the home of the two natural parents (exceptions like orphans and remarried widow(er)s notwithstanding.) It wasn’t about “enslaving” women either.

    I came from a two natural parent household and the neuroses is/was palpable. Why do you and so many others romanticize the two parent household? Have you read any Sigmund Freud by any chance? 🙂 The sacred two parent nuclear family has created more pathological emotional and physical illness than there’s time to write about. A kid child needs a village (hopefully not a village of idiots) but I hate to be quoting Hillary Clinton when I say that.

    Who said anything about enslaving women? Men are just as enslaved.

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  213. on August 10, 2009 at 2:05 pm mandy been here a while

    flip ant
    Many go into marriage expecting some happily ever after scenario where security and passion coexist. I

    This is really limited to the modern West. Most people alive today and throughout history had more realistic expectations of what marriage could and should provide.

    Sigmund Freud was a crackpot.

    The biological mother-father-child family has been shown to be superior for raising children.

    Who said anything about enslaving women? Men are just as enslaved.
    OK

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  214. on August 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm the Ugly Truth

    Voted for #1.

    The key: #2’s wife was “desperate to save” their marriage. Which is to say that he credibly threatened her with divorce. He asserted his dominance, even if only to claim something rendered low-value.

    #1’s discussion of how he never used drugs to rape women is also … impressive.

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  215. on August 10, 2009 at 4:49 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’lr
    because I secretly loathed him for most of our LTR.””””””””

    Dam that is hard core.

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  216. Nova,

    “But as a man, it kind of looks a lot like freedom for men, to me — if, of course, men are smart enough to not participate in the system.”

    What’s that phrase? You may not be interested in X, but X is interested in you? Are you familiar with Lionel Tiger and his term “bureaugamy?” It is about your point about “pressures for the government to step even further into child care and family life.” When they’re taking a 1/3 of your income in taxes, you’re in; you’re involved; there’s no way out; you may not own the system, but the system owns a 1/3rd of you.

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  217. on August 10, 2009 at 5:07 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea like paying cash for a house doesn’t make you done got to pay bills and taxes no matter what.

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  218. I don’t know Mandy. The Marriage Strike seems pretty widespread to me:

    FIGURE 1
    Number of Marriages per 1,000
    Unmarried Women Age 15 and
    Older, by Year, United States:

    1969 80.0
    1970 76.5
    1972 77.9
    1975 66.9
    1977 63.6
    1980 61.4
    1983 59.9
    1985 56.2
    1987 55.7
    1990 54.5
    1991 54.2
    1992 53.3
    1993 52.3
    1995 50.8
    2000 46.5
    2004 39.9

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  219. LR casually points out – ‘That’s why it was no big deal to leave him for me, because I secretly loathed him for most of our LTR.’

    Do you think maybe he sensed it? Maybe his frustration at unreturned affection caused him to want to strike you??? Just maybe?? Just sayin…

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  220. D’arby id not only D’cuckold, he’s also the D’eunuch and D’fag.

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  221. LR contracticed herself YET again “Oh, no. I never loved him nor was I in love with him. I forced myself to stay with him because I was trying to convince myself that I liked LTR’s so I was determined to “go down with the ship”

    And then said in rebuttal to me: ” I “loved him” like the way you feel about someone you “care for”……but that isn’t the same as “being in love” with him. I didn’t loathe him until he started treating me shitty which was about 1 1/2 years into it.”

    LR let’s get this straight k? You don’t “care for” someone when you say things like “I forced myself to stay with him”. Got that?

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  222. shit – contradicted not the made up word I created contracticed….

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  223. Well it could just mean she was cuntastic but that may not be a word either.

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  224. Little late, but my 3 cents…douchebag number 1, d’arcy, is the bigger beta I think. The key to his patheticness is this comment:

    ‘last week I decided to have a little fun at her expense. I typed “cute guy” into Google Images.”

    My ass he’s trying to ‘have a little fun at her expense.’ Obsessive snooping and spying is something suspicious spouses sometimes do. they check phones, emails, receipts, underwear…obsessively over and over. NO matter how much evidence they have that their spouse is cheating, they constantly snoop for more. Don’t ask me why, it’s just something they do. I’d bet dollars to donuts that this isn’t the first time D’ouche has snooped into her shit.

    Anyhoo…D’ouche is having a full-on panic over his wife’s lacivious ways, he’s just such a poon that he has to express his anger in a pathetically passive aggressive way rather than in a manly way.

    She’s taking it in every hole from a big black dude, he’s searching google for images of cute guys, and he figures he’s having fun at her expense. Beta.

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  225. >Funky K. 5:21 “innocent women”

    Innocent women of course is an oxymoron…

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  226. […] only that, I’ll bet that she performed all sorts of kinky stuff with her bad boy-toy while restricting the man she said “I do” too to five minutes of missionary sex a […]

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