The Wall, In Fast Forward

A helpful reminder, ladies.

The Wall, for those new readers unfamiliar with the term, is the moment in time, measured in age, when a woman’s sexual attractiveness, following years of asymptotic approach, finally hits absolute zero. To put it less turgidly, The Wall is that age when a woman’s looks go splat, like Wile E. Coyote running headlong into a boulder. The Wall is the sexual worthlessness event horizon of a woman’s existence on earth, the immovable metaphorical object that divides her long-telomere romantic life stage from her short-telomere post-romantic life stage when the vast majority of men become utterly uninterested in sex with her. A post-Wall woman may still have dusty sex, but it will be with begrudging men who had no other younger (i.e., better) options.

The Wall exists regardless of any individual woman’s psychological capacity to accommodate its inevitability. It’s a remorseless executioner of romantic hopes and dreams, and its shadow suffocates the intentions of the most practiced self-deluders.

The Wall does not affect men like it does women, for men have, unlike women, the advantage of possessing or acquiring compensatory attributes and achievements that can radically delay The Wall’s merciless tribute. For this reason, when we refer to The Wall, we are referring primarily to the rapidly coalescing and unequivocal end of a woman’s romantic life, to be superseded by either her noble matron life or her crazy cat lady life.

The age of Wall impact varies from woman to woman, but it generally converges for most women between the early 40s and 50. Some exceptional female specimens with a fortuitous suite of anti-aging genes can perhaps extend meager traces of their former physical glory well into their 50s, but these are exceedingly few in number. 99% of women you meet in daily life will have hit The Wall by their 50th birthday. An unfortunately larger minority of women will have been unlucky in beauty longevity and hit The Wall as young as their early 30s. Sadly, tragically, the first glimpses of The Wall cresting the horizon will be visible to most women by their 35th birthdays. An understandable panic will ensue, because The Wall means nothing less than the total annihilation of their ability to win the love and commitment of the men they truly desire.

This is why it’s absolutely critical for a woman to leverage her beauty when it’s at its peak nubility and coax a man into a monogamous, legally binding relationship; for once a man is thus ensnared, inertia, guilt and duty conspire to keep him there past his lover’s sexual expiration date. A woman who waits too long to exploit her youthful looks will have lost the only sexual market leverage at her disposal to outcompete not only other women, but also to disarm the natural reluctance to commitment from higher value men.

In the video above, I place the precise moment of that particular woman’s Wall impact somewhere between 2:59 and 3:14, which, if we establish the total length of the video to coincide with her total lifespan, means that she hits The Wall within a short span of a few years, the difference in exact moment of frontal impact partly attributable to minor differences in men’s tolerance for overt signs of late-fertility aging and unflattering lighting. For comparison, note that her peak nubility appears to occur somewhere around the 1:25 mark. This means that she enjoys the time-lapsed equivalent of one minute and thirty seconds of lifetime libidinous attention from men, and three minutes of lifetime invisibility to men. In actuality, that 1:30 of male attention is more like 30 seconds of widespread and welcome male attention, because a substantial chunk of her waning attractiveness years will be spent suffering the ignominy of increasingly rare glances from increasingly low value men.

Note, too, how quickly her facial attractiveness deteriorates once The Wall rises into view for her. Like most women, her pulchritude trajectory held steady for many years, the deterioration hardly noticeable from one year to the next, but once she crossed the threshold from youthful to “hanging on”, the droop and destruction accelerated, so that each day brought a new insult in the mirror. It is these years of torment that suicide begins to dance in the heads of childless, unmarried spinsters.

The Wall is now a popular regurgitated concept on various manosphere blogs and Reddit hovels, so it behooves the CH intellectual property protectorship to remind the studio audience that The Wall made its premiere here, when the creaky iron gates first opened a leaf-strewn path to a Chateau in the woods for curious wayfarers.





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  1. huehuehue

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    • sort of topically relevant, a woman writing about her 40 year older lover jd salinger http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/15/opinion/sunday/was-salinger-too-pure-for-this-world.html

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    • “the droop and destruction accelerated, so that each day brought a new insult in the mirror”

      that was beautifully sad. and i concur on the wall there, 2:50 things look fine, but by 3:00 everything has changed

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      • She seems to have changed race while growing up.

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      • This video is a composite of several different family members, its not one person.

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      • When you get out in the real world, amongst the SWPL-Hipster vermin, and you see how effective The Frankfurt School has been in dismantling and destroying Western Civilization, then it really is pretty depressing.

        For entirely legitimate reasons, I’ve been crossing paths with some younger gals this summer, and they’re totally out to lunch.

        I’ve talked to some of the older gals in that line of bidness, and the older gals agree that the younger ones are just completely worthless.

        [Yeah, fuck off, Socrates. They were right in your era, and I’m right now. Why do you think your civilization went extinct? Because Greek Chicks were pushing out TOO MANY babies? Or maybe because Greek Dudes started fucking each other in their rectums? And then Greek Womyn took to munching carpet as a result?]

        Then this morning, I was in a waiting room, where there are usually only chicks sitting around admiring themselves, but this time, there were husbands with the wives, and I tried to strike up conversations with the dudes, but they were just totally brow-beaten broken-souled man-boobs.

        They weren’t even really men anymore.

        They were more like walking ghosts, dutifully moving through the motions of haunting their own lives.

        And neither of these dudes could have been much older than about 32.

        If that.

        Dudes couldn’t even carry on conversations.

        It was like they were scared to talk or something.

        The other day I was thinking about an “Evangelical Game”, to pull the Dark Chicks back from the edge of the abyss.

        But now I’m starting to think that we need an “Evangelical Game” for the man-boob SWPL losers.

        Some set of techniques designed to kick them in the seat of their pants and get them to grow a pair and to man up.

        I’ve got mixed emotions about Michael “Savage” Wiener, but I agree with him that if anyone is going to save England, it will have to be the soccer hooligans.

        And if anyone is going to save the USA, it will have to be the rednecks.

        Cause the SWPL dudes are broken souls.

        Defeated.

        Dead to the world.

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      • >And if anyone is going to save the USA, it will have to be the rednecks.

        Your damn right about that.

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      • Understandable, but you are barking up the wrong website. Dudes who gather here have no use for encouraging female virtue,

        [CH: That is a slander, good sir!]

        as 90% of their renaissance depends precisely on exploiting the learned vulnerabilities of “the completely worthless” and “walking ghosts” … the underclass flotsam of the feminist revolution.

        [You never learn do you? Game is universal, both spatially and temporally. It works on every woman, everywhere, to greater or lesser reception. But work it does.]

        So players play, surrounding themselves with vapidity and claiming it is the only thing that exists (or can exist) among women — science and field reports prove it, don’t you know? Calling men out to act like men is a total non-starter here: they even make sarcastic sport of it, mocking the very idea of “manning up.” Entertainment is all: we are the culture that “amus[es] ourselves to death” (Lasch).

        These are not the officer candidates you are looking for. Learn that quickly and move on. There are silent others who do not make a display of themselves. By their nature they find little to converse about with street magicians and omegas making up for lost time. The ones who stay have ingratiated this stale exchange into their identity. Those who have absorbed the basic lesson apply it, maybe say thanks, and then go onward and upward.

        When you realize there is a certain ineradicable manliness among so much ruin, you will inspire drifting souls better with a simple, plainspoken challenge, more effectively than with jeremiads. I’ve been hoping for awhile that the drill instructors who run these fora would advance past basic training, but then I realized that 1) synthesis is not their forte, 2) somebody has to deal with the raw recruits, and 3) repetition is comfort food to them.

        Matt

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      • “And if anyone is going to save the USA, it will have to be the rednecks.”

        Orwell said this over half a century ago.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 7:47 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        spoken by a man who has NEVER ACTUALLY LIVED in the backwoods of the USA?

        Eliezer, who ACTUALLY HAS (for a decade or so) – says: Rednecks are no-shit guys. But they are NOT situated to influence the Cathedral.

        If they were ever gonna have started “saving” the situation….. they would have already started. Before it got past the tipping point.

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      • Shut up you filthy whoreson j*w and go back to Salon.

        Or Slate.

        Or the HuffingAndPuffington Post.

        Or whatever other kosher rock you crawled out from beneath.

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      • “And if anyone is going to save the USA, it will have to be the rednecks.”
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        Actually, thats the black mans job; not to save it, but to survive its destruction. Ya see, “civilization” has been destroyed many times before; the black man, given his primitive nature, is not corruptible by this “Frankfort school” or any school for that matter; the black mans school is drumbeats, and pussy.

        This is why the farther back in time you go, the darker the people are.

        You guys are the 7th “version” of white people; in contrast, we are the original version of natural people; placed on the planet to remind white people they cannot improve perfection.

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      • Matt,

        where did Jesus find new Christians? You have to preach where the need is greatest.

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      • Haha thwack, you are the ultimate troll.

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      • Spiralina

        Haha thwack, you are the ultimate troll.
        ———————————————————————————————

        and you are the ultimate trick baby.

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      • [It works on every woman, everywhere, to greater or lesser reception.]

        When will you stop willfully missing the point?

        The fact that it “works … greater” on slatternly slots and “works … lesser” on women of virtue puts the mere PUA project on the side of encouraging slatternly slots while motivating you to either scoff at (if not outright oppose) any expectation of women’s virtue.

        I understand that you, like feminists do to ugly women, promise frustrated chumps that they should have it all — a world of sluts and a world of well-behaved women. Most of your fans will not drill down deep enough to find the essential contradiction at the bottom of your thinking. But the rest of us know you can’t keep up the false fusion of social libertinism and social conservatism.

        So speak plainly. Which do you want to see, which is possible, and which is worth working to establish?

        A) A world of easy-to-fuck sluts with a 50-cock average before they’re 30?

        or

        B) A world of cloistered virgins, given to carefully vetted suitors and forcibly protected against the excesses of their hypergamous impulses?

        If you don’t want “B” — indeed, if you don’t think our world is going to shit because of “A” — that’s understandable, legitimate, perfectly fine. All I’m saying is that cultures which tend toward “A” are many times easier (and safer) in which to be a “player.” They also happen to be the cultures you satirize, cultures from which you recoil, and cultures from which you retreat “poolside.” Do you disagree?

        How about you attempt to square this circle for once. Even if game “works on every woman” — which I believe it does — is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is it something we should accept, or is it something we should shame? Do we teach our daughters to embrace or to be wary of their hypergamous drive?

        Declare for one side: Do you want men to encourage sluttiness or encourage virtue in women?

        Matt

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      • Jochem Pieper wrote:

        Where did Jesus find new Christians? You have to preach where the need is greatest.

        I agree completely. That is partially why I am here. (I am also here because this is one of the only bastions of manhood surviving, even if their energy is misdirected toward unworthy pursuits.)

        But it is clear that the needle on this vinyl collection of The Greatest Hits is skipping a lot. I love the old standards — there’s a reason they’re “standard,” there’s a reason they’re still around.

        Mozart’s great, but we need a Beethoven to fully realize the possibility of an orchestrated symphony. An “Eroica.” Not just a pleasant gathering of woodwinds and strings, but BRASS out the ass. Horns, kettle drums, a FULL CHORUS. The first movement of Beethoven’s 5th is so good that it has since passed onto cliche. But the transition from the third movement to the fourth? That’s where you find sublimity. The 6th pastoral is still better: the bucolic pasture ravaged by storm, then surviving the storm. The 7th? Thrill and bombast. The 9th? Purest Freude.

        The limits of two dimensions have been explored. Think outside the square. Think cube. Think hypercube. Don’t just go forward, go forward and up. We are chasing skirts in circles. We are analyzing bitch behavior like we’re mapping Africa, with no flora, no fauna, no leaf or vine undocumented. Do we have to travel all the way into the heart of darkness to know “Here Be Monsters”?

        When do we get to Zombie Shane’s bursting heart for humanity? When do we get to soar with this powerful knowledge, to conquer, to drink blood from our enemy’s skulls? Why do little entitled princesses get the privilege of our full ardor?

        Matt

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  2. I still don’t think women truely deeply understand what they face and the urgency of the moment when they are 25, 26…maybe 27. But by the time you hit 28, your’e in deep trouble and the boat is taking on water.

    In DC, it still amazes me how many single 30+ year old women walk these streets talking about their stupid law degrees and their jobs. I’m currently banging this pretty hot 26 year old and she just jabbers my head off about law school and her job…blah blah blah. “I don’t care.”

    I want to explain to her that the most important decision she will make in her lifetime, and the biggest decision that will affect their long term happiness of her life is the choice of a man and the subsequent decision to bear his children. But my logical brain knows better than to talk logic to a woman.

    Feminsim, throuigh all it’s will power and might will never change that, no matter how hard it tries.

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    • i had an ex that has hit the wall in the objective sense, although i could see where had she born my children i could still have loved her. anyway, she actually tried to have a logical discussion about how i shouldn’t rule out dating women in their late thirties. and it was painful to try to describe the issues to her that are so clear in reality but so difficult for them to accept obviously. anyway suffice to say she didn’t see things my way at all, lest she realize her time of being interesting to the opposite sex was 100% gone.

      if i want to be friends with someone i’m not attracted to, it’ll be a dude.

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      • This last part. I’ve flat out told female acquaintances that I’m unlikely to be friends with women because men are inherently more interesting than women (because we have to be). The most interesting woman I know would rank like 25th on my list of guy friends. That’s why all girls want to be friends with guys but guys have little interest in being friends with non-bangable girls. Surprisingly, the women I explain this to generally begrudgingly admit its truth.

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      • I don’t think that’s the only reason; I think our caveman ancestors have a lot to do with it: Women are hard-wired to depend on relationships for survival. Men are less so inclined, and more hard-wired to depend on their own strength and abilities for survival.
        And, I think men are instinctively aware of the liability a weak woman (and a weak man for that matter) will be to his survival chances. You only want to keep a slow, weak woman around if she’s worth it.
        In other words: To a caveman, a friendship with a woman he’s not fucking is rarely beneficial to him. Whereas to a cavewoman, a friendship with a man she’s not fucking is likely to be beneficial.

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      • Oh, no doubt. But you don’t want to be known as the evo-psych dude. This is a lot more digestible for the masses.

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      • Yep they all do this. Poor creatures were lied to and brainwashed by feminism. But poor men too; we’re stuck with this generation of lost women.

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      • I had an ex who hit the wall at 25. She was a model in her late, late teens. Livin’ hard does that. Women can stave off the wall for at least 5-10 years by living right both spiritually and physically.

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      • on September 18, 2013 at 7:50 pm The King of Verbal Seduction

        I agree / co-sign with that assertion . . .

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    • Lololzzozzz 30? Try 35, 36, 38!!!

      The brainwashed man hating women of this generation are completely delusional and clueless.

      You will not find one 27-year-old other than country girls who will purposely have a kid (after marriage) today. And not even close! They still have literally 5 years of cock carousel riding and it’s “just time for me” time. They don’t want to “settle down” until age 33 or even later Lololzzozzz. They have been brainwashed by feminism.

      Women started the marriage strike by refusing to marry at an appropriately young age (22). Men are just finishing it. Ladies we don’t want u when you’re 35, 5 years after the first crows feet.

      You were supposed to commit to that nice guy who would have married u at 26 so he’d have 10 years of your youth at least. That’s how it works.

      (Because indeed thin women are still bangable until 38, but not marriage material for a decent guy who wants kids.

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      • see yeah now there is a better explanation for the ladies than i have given anywhere. i think the wall is more important societally than it is to whether a woman can find a date. it’s about the disconnect between the expectation that we ‘man up’, and the girls who dance til the party’s already over.

        i guess one coc rule covers it well too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCOQNMSwDO4

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 9:05 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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        and say da great books for menz was all fools.
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  3. Their great grandmothers knew this. But it is not looks so much as fertility. There is no reason to marry a woman who can’t give you children, unless, I suppose, she’s rich and you’re not, in which case you will lose your self respect.

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  4. Argghh! The eery background music makes it more scary. A while back I put my photo into one of these “age me” apps, and it was horrible to see what I will look like when I am old. I am hoping a good clean diet will help me retain my youth a little longer, but who knows. Aging is one of those inevitable parts of life that we must face, unfortunately it seems less kind to women.
    But my mother is mid 50’s and still looks good for her age. I am not biased in this as I have heard young men say the same. It is because she has stayed slim, and still has a pretty face. My father is in 60’s and has a full head of hair still! So I’m hoping this means I have good genes. Never the less, for sure the wall will hit, all the more reason to settle down young, and give to one man your best years, way before the wall hits.

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    • it is not with pleasure that we observe these things. it’s among the saddest thing i think about. “looks good for her age” is such an apropos phrase, encapsulating that she truly _can’t_ escape and jump her age group.

      women are flowers it seems to me, fading from the moment they bloom, and man are in a lot of way trees. it is tragic.

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      • It is sad.. but it’s a part of life we must accept. Being a woman is not without it’s many many positive points anyway. Just consider the joys of mothering, nurturing, loving. Younger years spent blissfully raising children will be worth the “wall” in the end. At least when the wall hits, a woman will be able to look back at her young years with a sense of contentment and accomplishment, hopefully. There really is no need to look on it as a tragedy, if the young years are well spent.

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      • The only reason somebody can look upon it as a “tragedy” is if the woman in question is in denial and still trying to revive the years of her youth, and sexualizing herself. That’s something that irritates me. I used to know a woman who was in her late 40’s, her hair was peroxide blonde, her clothes were revealing, she chased after young men the same age as her son, and I looked on with a cringey feeling. When she spoke to me she was *so* condescending, she didn’t like me. There was no sense of wisdom an older woman should have, she saw me as competition.

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      • Yes – it’s only tragic if you wasted your youth doing stupid things, because you can never get that back. If you play your cards right you should be married by 30 and your main responsibility after that is to raise your kids right, stay fit, and take care of yourself so your husband can maintain some attraction as you age. That should keep you busy enough that you won’t be especially concerned about fewer men catcalling you on the street.

        But if you’re single by your 30s, yeah, you’re gonna start noticing the decline in sexual attention and it’s gonna sting. Especially if you get fat or otherwise lose your looks quickly.

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      • No she saw you a NOT competition. Thats why she didnt like you!

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      • A life-worn but proud woman surrounded by her children is a sublime thing to behold, especially if they are your children.

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    • Me I me mine I me me me.

      AWALT

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      • I’m a woman so I was applying it to myself.. and to women I know.. what did you want me to do- apply the video about a woman to men?
        :S

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      • I have noticed that most men talk in generalities whereas most women relate any general observations to themselves. But solipsism seems to be hardwired into our feminine nature, so it makes about as much sense to get angry about it as it does to get angry at cats for killing birds.

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      • Yes Spiralina I think you are right about it being hardwired into feminine nature. It can be perceived as selfish sometimes, because it can make us selfish and “me me” orientated. But it can be used for positive too.. We can see it from the perspective of our own lives and experiences, or what we have known/seen, and that is how we relate to a situation. But that can be good in the sense that we can put ourselves in another’s shoes and try to understand how they feel if we are aptly able to apply it to something in our own life or experience. For example if we hear of something bad happening, we can say well How would I feel? Applying the situation to ourselves,but using it for positive because we are able to “feel” the misjustice, and then compassion can be born. Applying general observations to ourselves doesn’t have to be a bad thing if we temper that tendency of “solipsism” with the knowledge that being selfish serves only the self, but that if used in the right way it can help others too. Does that make sense? It made sense in my head LOL

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      • Female solipsism at its best makes women work hard to look pretty and fiercely guard their husbands and kids. Unmoored from its main biological functions, it makes them buy dozens of ridiculous shoes and yammer on about themselves while boozing with their equally self-absorbed friends.

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    • It is well to remember that long life spans are a feature of modern civilization and thus a very recent phenomenon. For most of human existence the life span has been much, much shorter.

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  5. on September 17, 2013 at 7:49 am The King of Verbal Seduction

    The outspoken radio host, Tom Leykis, talks about this phenomenon quite a bit. His most memorable line is, “Men age like fine wine while women, sadly, age more like milk” I also had a guest on my talk radio podcast program by the name of Steve Penner who talked about women’s diminishing looks as they age…. Some women are delusional about this though

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    • There’s wine, and then there’s wine in a box. Examples of the latter would include former heart throbs Mickey Rourke and Val Kilmer, who now look like hammered dogshit.

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  6. We need a video like that for boobs.

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    • Your boob video would correspond to the chart below:

      illegal to view —————– yeah baby ! —————– who cares —————

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    • D’Arcy Thompson visualized it in words long before the advent of “video” :

      …The tree under its burden of leaves or fruit has changed its every curve and outline since its boughs were bare, and a mantle of snow will alter its configuration again. Sagging wrinkles, hanging breasts and many another sign of age are part of gravitation’s slow relentless handiwork…

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  7. Seems kind of odd that the peak age for women is between 13 and 27 years, yet they average a lifespan of 82. Maybe we’re not supposed to live that long.

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    • They’re supposed to pop out a few kids before 27 and then, ya know, take care of them.

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      • Applicable for blacks and browns, only. White women are meant to guzzle martinis and shove electrified rubber cylinders up their pussies during peak years, and watch the death of our race in a drunken, hysterical, sexless stupor in post-wall years. Trapped animals proxy as “children”.

        All paid for by Sugar Daddy government and corporate America.

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      • This. Sadly women readers don’t even comprehend what u write, which is also a comment on their intelligence. They have zero concept of their FAILURE to uphold their duty to have white, smart kids. I think of my 38 year old ex. Beautiful and intelligent. Zero kids while every 90 IQ black woman has 8 kids. What has happened due to feminism is nothing short of HORRIFIC and no one selfish white woman gets it. Even if she has a 140 IQ.

        GEN X is an epic failure of a generation of women.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 9:36 am The King of Verbal Seduction

        Wow.

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      • Because racism?

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      • No, because black woman IQ is closer to 80, and he failed to mention a talk radio podcast program featuring Steve Penner.

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      • No, we get it. I Especially like the comment about the shoving “electrified rubber cylinders up their pussies during peak years,” instead of getting their satisfaction from a man. It’s another sign of depravity.

        It’s equivalent to the guys jerking off all day long, instead of getting their satisfaction from women.

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      • Better jerk off then end up in debt prison, doesn’t work the other way around.

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      • Pessimism.

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      • It’s not just the black.The s.e. asians in the UK,the middle easterners and magribs in europe,the gypsies,the caucasians (not europeans) and turks in eastern europe-the 80 IQ kids are jumping from their gynas like a skiers from the trampoline.
        Yet white women who have 2 are considered almost a rarity and those with 3-are “hero mums”. Everywhere: western or eastern europe,scandinavia or italy.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 8:05 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        you’re not “wrong”, but you are fantasizing. White women have the same “duty” to proliferate themselves that Neanderthal women had. We now know that Neanderthals were mostly NOT “killed off” by homo sapiens sapiens; rather the Neanderthal gene sequences were slowly, over tens of thousands of years, made more and more and more rare. Even a slight evolutionary advantage will eventually yield a takeover of the niche. Our niche is as apex hunters of large herbivore mammals.It is that niche which provides the framework for the hindbrain instincts which govern our mating preferences and habits.

        Crocodiles are not nice, and they’re not pretty, but they are evolutionarily more fit than many now-extinct competitors they once had in the riverine-carnivore niche.

        “Whites” as we know them, might be on the long path to extinction. I am NOT estimating “worthwhileness” or niceness or pretty-ness – I am measuring the birth patterns.

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      • And you think that is a coincidence or the work of mother nature?
        GBFM has a weird way of telling the truth, but he sure can see it. Can you?

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      • Maldek:

        I think your answer is contained in his name.

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      • That’s because, in reality, almost no 38 year-old women have a 140 IQ; your ex probably took that test in high school. By 38, most women have only a slightly higher level of cognitive ability as I do in the last 10 seconds leading up to when I blow a load.

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      • looks like the taliban were right about educating women, it leads to the destruction of society

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      • “… White women are meant to guzzle martinis and shove electrified rubber cylinders up their pussies during peak years, and watch the death of our race…”

        Feminists who hated the fact women were supposedly sex objects have turned white women into promiscuous sex machines

        what progress, what an improvement

        nice job feminist

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    • presence of granmothers strongly benefits grandchildren. we are supposed to live that long.

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      • I was talking about the percentage of useful quality time in a person’s life, when a person is relatively mature, self aware, and who’s body isn’t slowly deteriorating. Seems to me, that period of time is quite small in person’s overall lifespan, probably just 10 years. Think of all the things we could learn and accomplish, if people had 300 years of quality pre-wall existence . I think the gods played a cruel joke on us, they probably don’t want any competition.

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      • If women had 300 years of quality pre-wall existence, they’d spend the first 298 years partying and the last 2 looking for a husband.

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      • you owe me a keyboard fucker, that was funny.

        Its true though. women are experiencing the golden age. only the last 60 years and maybe the next 20 are they going to have the unique dot on the human timeline to act the way they do.

        poor ladies.

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      • In its natural state it is the grandmothers that make up the matriarchy, not 30 year old, childless lawyers in power suits. It is the grandmothers who make up the core of social life. It is not men, but the grandmothers who work to get the young fliberty gibbet to straighten up and fly right.

        Young women don’t need a strong man half so much as they need a flock of clucking old hens to keep them in line. The men, for the most part, are happily off doing things men do, without the intrusion of women. Hunting, fishing, sports, the odd bout of head bashing and taking over the care of children about to become young men. It is the grandmothers that are more than happy to leave them to it.

        It is when Sex in the City girls take over martiarchy, free of the influence of older, post wall, women that things go completely to shit.

        Your idea of a 10 year window of usefulness is a bit youthfull nonsense. Don’t make grandpa take you out behind the shed and prove he can still take you out.

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      • You missed my point, gramps. Yes, people are valuable to society passed the 10 year window. Yes, they can be physically fit past that period also. But the 10 years window is when all the factors are in balance including, your fitness, you looks, your energy, your virility, your health, your positive outlook towards the future. The only thing missing is the wisdom that comes with living for awhile. Many people only gain this wisdom when their in their 30’s, and by then many have squandered many of their ” so called ” prime years on frivolous b.s . Also, the length of the window varies for a lot of people depending on a multitude of factors, but its a good rough estimate.

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      • “The only thing missing is the wisdom . . .”

        Q.E.D.; in the meantime you might be interested in reading Shaw’s Man and Superman, as it is based on your own premise.

        Take the bits about Lamarkian evolution with a grain of salt, but also bear in mind that our technology in the not to distant future might well result in the possibility of something rather like it.

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    • Black people don’t live that long.

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    • Because people in the past mainly lived in large familial or tribal groups, women were highly valued past their reproductive years. Elderly women helped with cooking and child raising, preserved communal traditions, and taught their accumulated wisdom and skills to younger women. In today’s throwaway society, people cease to have worth when they leave the globalized labor force and are summarily thrown into old age homes. This applies to men as well as women, but it’s a harsher reality for women – especially if they have no kids.

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    • “Maybe we’re not supposed to live that long.”

      Girls and boys who survived infancy routinely made it to old age throughout human history.

      That doesn’t mean you aren’t onto something. We probably shouldn’t be living so long — better put, aging so much — that we become infirm, demented, and wizened beyond recognition.

      The Wall is a clarion call for serious rejuvenation research. It blows my mind that we spend billions per year on rare, lifestyle-related conditions like HIV/AIDS instead of working to prolong human health and feminine beauty by decades or more with a robust SENS-like program. (It would also enhance labor productivity, putting another nail in the coffin of arguments for continued immigration even as radical automation looms.)

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      • It would be interesting to see if there are any analogous situations, comparable to the human condition, in the animal world. From what I understand, most animals mature fairly quickly, spend most of their lives in a peak performance state, and then die quickly once that state is over. Humans, on the other hand, spend a very short percentage of their lives in a peak performance state. Its seems like the balance, of human existence, was purposely thrown off kilter.

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      • Larry Page outs himself as a Chateau guest and reader of my comment here: https://plus.google.com/+LarryPage/posts/Lh8SKC6sED1

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    • Alpha men are supposed to live that long; women are supposed to convert into lion food once the kids are self-sufficient teenagers.

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  8. Dave Deangelo made a video that nicely complements to the message here:

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  9. Yes, at around 3:00 she crosses through androgeny.

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  10. That’s probably a good time to develop a bit on the concept of elegance.

    Elegance is something you earn (I’m talking about women here) with the years. It’s the quiet acceptance of a fading beauty fought with a perfect attitude, pose, and clothing.

    On average, an elegant 26 year-old isn’t more attractive than when she was 21. It’s simply impossible. But elegance denotes intelligence. It denotes intelligence, because it tells us, as men, that this woman is well aware of her situation as a woman. And a woman aware of herself is such a rare breed. It’s the kind of woman that will shut the fuck up by herself when it’s definitely not time to talk, who understands your desires as a man, and who will gladly play the role of the female in the couple, in all it’s aspects.

    That’s the good side of the post-wall spectrum. What do we have on the other side? The feminist. Hysteric, childish, slutty after 24, she is definitely not aware of her situation regarding the wall (poor thing), she will NEVER shut the fuck up, she doesn’t care about your desires as a man (“You have desires, really? MAN UP AND TAKE CARE OF MINE FIRST.”), and will gladly play the role of the bitch in the Modern World, in ALL it’s aspects (and even more).

    Shoot the feminist down and pay your respect to the elegant woman.

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    • And as a PS: the shift from “hot” to “elegant” should be done around 25 on average.

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      • the shift from “hot” to “elegant” should be done around 25 on average.

        What? Women are at their most attractive in their mid-twenties (21-year-olds are basically still children – there’s a big maturity gap between 21 and 25). Otherwise I really like this theory about “elegance”, and I think it should enter the lexicon. I notice a lot of elegant women at church – I can tell they’re making an effort to be elegant because they keep their hair at a reasonable length even in old age. Church is the only place I ever see that nowadays.

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      • i don’t think he’s off, really. the mid-twenties girls hanging on to the early-twenties ‘we will be young forever’ dancing attitude are already pretty sad. 25 does need to signal a shift away from there in my opinion. they are hot, but not hotter, and just like you said there is more maturity, so they ought to maximize their positive traits.

        when it’s time to procreate, i suppose i’ll be shooting (if you’ll pardon the phrase) for about 25. old enough to have woken up but not falling apart.

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      • I think there is some truth to this. I was in Charleston, South Carolina a few weekends back and grabbing some breakfest downtown and i was just blown away at the quality of ass that was walking into some of these churches. Dolled up, heels, long hair, makeup. If that type of talent was walking into churches in DC on Sunday, i’d be at service every week.

        Sadly…all i see is sandra fluke so I sleep in.

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      • > “Sadly…all i see is sandra fluke so I sleep in.”

        Well, you know, you could follow your heart and just pick up and leave old Sodom & Gomorrah there on the Potomac.

        Once and for all.

        Never look back.

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      • I was on the Gulf Coast this weekend and can say the same. Sexy feminine women everywhere. I grew up in DC. It is nothing but an out of touch rat race. I have no idea why people think the Northeast is so great.

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      • “Women are at their most attractive in their mid-twenties ”
        No, the peak is at 18-25(for White women atleast). Some men prefer even younger women(check the archives for the post on this).

        “21-year-olds are basically still children”
        You are wrong.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 8:20 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        sorry I’ve lost the URL reference. A VERY large percentage of pre-puberty girls age 10, have the entire Mating Game figured out. Very few 10-year olds have a “developed” body, but MANY of them have their fertile-years face features, fully developed. It’s biology.

        That’s why these 14-15 year old girls get such a head start on wrapping guys around their little finger….. they had several years to observe and strategize and compare notes with other 11-13 year old girls. Coached by the older women.

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      • Your average, normal & healthy boy has his first sexual thoughts and feelings around age 7-8 or so. Girls mature faster, they’re more or less onto the game at age 4-5. Sadly for them, most boys don’t start paying attention to girls their own age until about 13, before that, they tend to see them as useless carriers of cooties. Which, if you think about it, isn’t all that far from the truth.

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  11. The girl in the video was always ugly

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  12. on September 17, 2013 at 8:26 am The King of Verbal Seduction

    Testing, one, two, three

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    • on September 17, 2013 at 8:44 am The King of Verbal Seduction

      I would argue that women in my late mother’s generation were much more cognizant of this than women of the 21st Century generation. Many women today think they are going to be good looking and sexy FOREVER. Delusional.

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      • > “Many women today think they are going to be good looking and sexy FOREVER. Delusional.”

        The problem isn’t so much “good looking and sexy” per se*.

        The problem is “FERTILE”.

        They aren’t going to be fertile forever.

        And a woman who can’t give her man children is simply useless.

        *Obviously you could argue that a woman is “good looking and sexy” if and only if she is “fertile”.

        But that’s the whole point.

        Bitches have to find a man while they still have a reasonably good chance of giving him a house full of children.

        Cause once them ovaries shut down and shrivel up like raisins, a woman is obsolete.

        Worthless.

        Worse than worthless, really, when you factor in all the nagging.

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      • Oh, you’re in need of something to blow your mind. I’m sorry you and others here are bitter and narrow in your perspective but you are entitled to that and entitled to say so. Yes, I believe that 100%. In fact, I love that all of you men have a place to speak. I just wish you would have had one woman who truly filled you up, just once, with the most lascivious, supplicating, enthralling sensual, mind-blowing fucks that as an old man, you would be living off of in memorium, as a baby sucks on a pacifier for comfort. If only I could be the one to do that for you. If only I could have met you and been everything you wanted but MORE than you imagined.Oh well – that is life. I just don’t see the point of hating as I read on this particular post and another one here. But I do applaud you for speaking your mind, even if it is a bit cruel.

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  13. That video is cool… but what I don’t understand about the “wall” concept is whether it’s based on the woman’s ability to land a universally high-SMV man (say, Channing Tatum) or her ability to land men that are simply attractive to her.

    For example, my widowed aunt is in her early 50’s and looks good for her age, takes care of herself, stays slim, etc. She’s had no trouble attracting financially secure men in their 50’s who also look good for their age. She’s perfectly fine with this. Of course a guy like Channing Tatum wouldn’t give her the time of day, nor would any reasonably attractive guy in his 20s, 30s, or even 40s… but she doesn’t really care, because she’s not trying to date them. She finds the men that she dates attractive, so she’s happy.

    I guess the question is, if a woman is still able to attract men that she’s interested in and finds attractive– regardless of her age– has she really hit the “wall”?

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    • on September 17, 2013 at 9:08 am The King of Verbal Seduction

      Amy, the problem with many women today is that …. unlike your widowed aunt … many women who are 40+ still think they can pull a guy like Channing Tatum. That is where the problem comes in.

      Many (young) men might have “casual” sex with women 40, 45, 50+ … but they are not trying to seriously date them in most cases.

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      • King.. yes, and even a 40 year old woman is going to have trouble finding a high SMV 40 year old man, because the man can and will date younger. But if that 40 year old woman can attract men (of any age) that she is attracted to herself, for an LTR, has she hit “the wall”? I’m just trying to understand the definition.

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      • WHO THE FUCK IS “CHANNING TATUM”?

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      • He’s a terrible actor who is in White House Down and I have no idea what else. However, it appears he has a personal trainer. Sort of like an early Willis without the darkness, scars and complexity.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 8:29 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        >> But if that 40 year old woman can attract men (of any age) that she is attracted to herself, for an LTR, has she hit “the wall”?

        Well…. yes. Because a 22-year old who attracts a high-value male and ties him down and then HOLDS ONTO HIM for dear life….. is likely to still have him when she’s 72. Because men have a lot of inertia and generally will NOT rock a boat which is puttering along at least satisfactorily.

        Whereas – yes, a good looking 42 year old woman will get plenty of quality DICK, and maybe even some LTR-flavored “courting”…. but will that guy still be with her when she’s 52? Or will he now be with a different 42-year old?

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    • Hamster of the year post

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 9:32 am The King of Verbal Seduction

        LOL

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      • Lol. I hate to disappoint you Anon, but I’m just looking for clarification of the concept.

        I am always amused by how important it is that women experience dread and agony at the aging process. But I like to make people happy, so: Yes, I realize we get old, and that the older we get, the worse we look. It’s sad and frustrating and there’s nothing we can do about it, except lock ourselves in the bathroom with a tub of La Mer moisturizer and cry. This is why women should get married and have children at their peak beauty (and fertility) years. Too many Western women wait far too long to do this.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 10:51 am The King of Verbal Seduction

        “This is why women should get married and have children at their peak beauty (and fertility) years. Too many Western women wait far too long to do this.” Agreed

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      • no shit. Amy, your old aunt is dating. in her 50’s. she hasn’t hooked anyone. and if she does, it won’t be an alpha, unless he’s in his 70’s.

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      • The true 70-something alphas I know hook recent Wall arrivals who are in their mid-30s. 50 y.o. aunties? Not likely.

        I plan on being one of those dudes and maybe finally cashing in my player card at that point. Then again…

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 8:58 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        a 70-ish Alpha can get a young-30’s single mom (of only one) if he shops hard enough. Not difficult at all, because the supply is plentiful.

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      • I think the age of women a 70-something man can get has a lot to do with HIS perceived age and physical condition, which requires a healthy lifestyle. If he’s shriveled, incontinent and doddering around in a walker he won’t be getting the 50-ish aunties no matter how “alpha” his personality (unless he’s loaded.) But I know a happily married 72-year-old professor who is active, charismatic, and seems at least 20 years younger – and he has 20-30-something grad students swooning over him.

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    • i see what you’re saying, and i think that the issue is more the difference between the potential of men and women at a given age. men who look good in their 50s and are financially secure can explore nearly any part of the sexual market. starting families, dating, whatever they choose. your aunt, happy or not, is relegated to a role. she is likely a classier lady in that she accepts that role and is happy, unlike bitter women who don’t see the writing on the wall like this:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2417942/Im-single-50-Why-Men-hate-brainier-says-KATE-MULVEY.html

      further evidence of your aunt’s value is that she is a widow as opposed to divorcee. but she isn’t likely to land a husband again, in my opinion.

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      • I literally recoiled when I saw that woman’s photo. Lol!

        She is horrendous looking with a horrendous attitude. It almost seems like satire because it’s hard to believe someone can live until 50 being that clueless about what men want.

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      • she looks a bit like john kerry. the pics do almost seem like a joke, like an instant refutation of the article title 🙂

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      • John Kerry? I’d say Joe Theismann in drag, but the truly frightening thing is “kate” as pictured in 2000: cute, smiling, and above all, far more feminine. It at once reminded me of how cruel the years can be and how the year 2000 is becoming a more distant memory.

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      • > “It almost seems like satire because it’s hard to believe someone can live until 50 being that clueless about what men want.”

        Welcome to the Manosphere and The Dark Enlightenment.

        Now will you PLEASE shut up and go away and get your scrawny little white ass the hell knocked up with some bunz in yer oven?

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      • I’m in my 50s and so are most of my friends. Maybe a third of the women I know still have plenty of interest of men. These are the ones who took care of themselves and still look pretty good. Among the men, it’s more like two thirds who are still dating. A lot of them will be dating women several years younger than them. My last girlfriend was ten years younger than me. When they date, they usually don’t ever marry the women they are dating. There’s a surplus of women on the dating market in this age range and because of that the women can’t demand marriage as a condition for a relationship. A lot of older women aren’t happy with that and drop out of dating altogether. Women have their peak demand when they are younger and they do need to take advantage of that and get the husband when the probability of success is highest.

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      • With the mature women, if they’re educated (my preference) almost automatically they are first generation feminists, whether they know it or not. So filter #1 is: do they even like men? Or, as someone once said, if you keep meeting assholes — and many of these women love to talk about the jerks they’ve survived — it’s actually not them; you’re the asshole. The serial monogamists have an N-count that is staggering (and it’s never her fault they broke up, just as in the case of the psycho British bitch in the Daily Mail piece) and a black cloud trailing behind them as well. This wipes out a goodly number. Easily the majority.

        Then, do they have any concept of male sexuality and feminine beauty? This wipes out another major fraction. I don’t know how to have sex with someone who has a double chin and an ass like cottage cheese. Basic fitness and health should be … basic.

        Third, are they financially self-sufficient? Most educated women treated their “careers” as optional activities, feminist box-checking, to be performed until they partially or completely retired on their first husband. Then they’re single earning a 28 year-old’s wage. Do you really want to be a man in middle age whose girlfriend can’t afford decent china or a new sofa?

        It all mystifies me. Each of the three are deliberate decisions that cripple a woman’s appeal as she ages. They’ve programmed their own isolation. Their expectation is that men will play along in the self-deception.

        It’s also kind of sad. I met a woman my age in NYC last spring; she runs an interesting business in Aspen. She satisfies filters one and three, above. Great conversationalist, and very pleasant to be around owing to common origins. On filter two: Her face and body are destroyed. Not grotesquely fat or anything: just destroyed. The kind of destroyed that happens when you eat ice cream and cheetos or some such crap for 20 years, while not exercising and having unfortunate genes. The kind of destroyed that makes a sexual overture cringe-inducing. We were set up by an ex- of mine. The ex- is a knockout, eight years younger than I. Still runs everyday, eats right, the rest of it. She probably looks younger than when we dated. She’s certainly more attractive to me now than then.

        The whole thing is weird: why would these two women put me at the table with the one who looks 15 years older than I am? On which planet is this logical? I should have known something was up when the ex- started the call by saying, “I don’t know if you only date younger women …” When the shaming comes out in the first sentence, probably best to have an excuse handy. The one my age keeps emailing me. We’re surrounded by crazy people.

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      • “Do you really want to be a man in middle age whose girlfriend can’t afford decent china or a new sofa?”

        Do you really want a girlfriend who spends her money on china and sofas? I mean, at least the girl who can’t afford it isn’t busy cluttering up the house with all that shit.

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      • Yup. I do. Because it’s more comfortable, and I know she won’t be asking for help with her credit card bills, car repairs, while hounding me to take her to St. Barths when I just want to spend the weekend at the farm. She’ll serve better wine, have some spectacular lingerie, and buy me some flattering duds.

        I take your point on simplicity and avoiding dumb consumerism. I put La Perla and Chateau-Neuf-du-Pape in the “smart consumerism” department. YMMV.

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      • “I put La Perla and Chateau-Neuf-du-Pape in the “smart consumerism” department. YMMV.”

        You are completely my type; I have both in my place right now. 🙂 I think you mentioned you are attractive; you probably do well in any metropolitan area. Of course, the women there are crazy too.

        Lily is right about the ex… it may be subconscious, but she is sabotaging you. She wants to be the prettiest girl you’ve ever been with. Women have a desperate need to be special.

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      • Amy:

        Uggh.

        Yes, when I’m at my true home (multi-generational rural midwesterner), I’m essentially ascetic. The options require a couple hour commute in the truck. When I’m in NYC I fit into the SMP pretty well.

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      • “It’s also kind of sad. I met a woman my age in NYC last spring; she runs an interesting business in Aspen. She satisfies filters one and three, above. Great conversationalist, and very pleasant to be around owing to common origins. On filter two: Her face and body are destroyed. Not grotesquely fat or anything: just destroyed. The kind of destroyed that happens when you eat ice cream and cheetos or some such crap for 20 years, while not exercising and having unfortunate genes. The kind of destroyed that makes a sexual overture cringe-inducing. We were set up by an ex- of mine. The ex- is a knockout, eight years younger than I. Still runs everyday, eats right, the rest of it. She probably looks younger than when we dated. She’s certainly more attractive to me now than then.”

        Why did you break up with the ex?
        Better yet, why don’t you get back together with her?
        Food for thought: Exs usually set you up with ugly women on purpose. Maybe, she is sending you a message?
        Think about dating a young waitress who needs you. Does that ever attract you sexually?

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      • Lily, the ex- is married now, so the only message she’s sending me, if she is sending one, is negative. There’s usually a bit of an two-sided edge to our meetings: the edge of ongoing attraction, and a chippiness on her part. (She has complained to me of her husband.) I think well of her, though. I think she just likes the older friend and is prone to the prog-femme meme that only cads and neanderthal’s evaluate partners on looks. (And of course, I am neither!)

        We broke up because I was a dipshit: an aspiring higher beta male Good Man, and I showed poor leadership within the relationship. At the time I thought that showing such leadership was “sexist.” The outcome made both of us miserable. I made this mistake three times in relationships over 10 years. Then I went back to school in these parts. One of the three women remains single. I’m working on understanding in the present, not the rearview mirror, if I stumble onto such a sympatico woman again. (Analytical types like me are usually pretty stupid when in the midst of an emotional maelstrom.)

        I’m cursed as an intellectual so I date the educated. That’s just who I am. Conversation turns me on.

        I’m very curious what you mean by saying women set men up with homely women to send a message of some sort. I would assume it’s punishment (“fool, you could have had knockout me, here’s the consolation prize”), or a backhanded overture to renew with the knockout. Since she’s married I’m discounting the latter. If you would care to comment I’d be appreciative.

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      • “I’m very curious what you mean by saying women set men up with homely women to send a message of some sort. I would assume it’s punishment (“fool, you could have had knockout me, here’s the consolation prize”), or a backhanded overture to renew with the knockout. Since she’s married I’m discounting the latter. If you would care to comment I’d be appreciative.”

        Yeah, you got it. Both of these are correct, depending on the situation. In this case, since she’s married, the former is accurate. However, if she’s not happy with him, then it could also mean that she wants you to make a move on her, possibly. Not that I’m encouraging you to, mind you; it’s a mess you don’t need. Keep your life entanglement free.

        Another issue is what Amy touched on. Women are very competitive and jealous of each other. The last thing they want is to see you with a hotter woman than they are. It hurts like knives in the stomach. So, as long as you are with a woman who is less attractive then they are, they feel satisfaction. That said, I won’t tell you not to go on the dates they set up for you. You never know. Sometimes, they could have an attractive friend who is very persistent to meet someone, and they might also have an ulterior motive to set her up (women hardly do anything that’s not self-serving to some degree), and that can be you.
        .

        “We broke up because I was a dipshit: an aspiring higher beta male Good Man, and I showed poor leadership within the relationship. At the time I thought that showing such leadership was “sexist.” The outcome made both of us miserable. I made this mistake three times in relationships over 10 years. Then I went back to school in these parts.”

        Women absolutely love, leadership in men. It’s a turn on. See, you have the answer. You know it was your fault. I’m impressed, because most here like to blame everything and everyone else but themselves. Anyway, because you know the exact malady that attacked you, you now have the exact remedy for it. Hence, I imagine you will be more successful the moment you meet a woman that fits what you’re looking for.
        .

        This brings us to the next issue here. You keep looking for these professional women because you think they are financially stable. They might be, but they also come with a slew of other secondary and unwanted side effects. Those women are independent, feministic, and think their careers or their intelligence should act as a male aphrodisiac, not their looks. They’re most likely to expect egalitarian relationships. You also risk going to jail if you are sexually and physically dominate, because they think sex is rape, or at least dominant sex is rape. The most you can get away with is exercising light leadership on them. In contrast, women that are less financially independent, might be the way to go. Yeah, you would have to be responsible for her and be her provider, but it can be satisfying if your lover is properly gamed and is really attracted to you. Otherwise, expect to have a marriage where you each go on separate vacations each year. Do you like lack of togetherness? Is that really a satisfying love affair? That’s why they are called independent women, because they are independent in mind, sprit, body, and soul, not just financial. So in reality, they don’t need you for anything. They just get married in case they are going to miss something, and because they want to say they have it all. Eventually, the marriage becomes a bore. I think this is what’s afflicting your hot ex. Think about starting to date less accomplished females. They don’t have to be stupid. Just less stuck up. For example, instead of dating lawyers, date paralegals. Do you get my point? Lots of office workers in NYC, if that’s where you’re at. You don’t need the Goldman Sachs investment banker chick, as alluring as her job might sound. If you’re from the country, how about a country girl? Who needs city slickers.

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      • They set them up with fugs to dump on them and send the message they are no longer worthy of them themselves. It’s the way women stick shivs in one another.

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      • This describes the vast majority of single women in my mid-sized southern city. I’m mid 40s but my target dating range is roughly 24-32. Virtually every remotely attractive girl here eats terribly, doesn’t exercise at all, works a crappy to below average job, is either supported by her parents or has roommates (or both), drinks like a fish, spends countless hours in the sun, is addicted to nicotine, prescription drugs and/or illegal drugs, and has no real interests other than television and “fashion”–whatever that means. All of them somehow get it in their head that I am the Prince Charming they have been promised all their lives, and no amount of logic can make them understand that they offer little to no value to a man with a successful career who is in shape, healthy, can cook and clean for himself, has a wide variety of friends, interests and creative pursuits, and who can get laid without much effort at all. Game aside, I am a compassionate person by nature and I just want to shake some sense into these girls, because their parents certainly failed in a major way. Yes, I may be 20 years older than most of them, but there are many many girls like them and only a handful of guys like me. Their inability to understand even the most basic of statistical concepts amazes me.

        Like I said, I’m basically a compassionate sort, so last night I decided to try a new tack. I have started hanging a little with a 24 year old girl in my social circle who seems like basically a decent person–lives alone, doesn’t party too much, not a game player, and not a (lowercase) native American–1st generation Egyptian (light-skinned and Christian, as I know that’s important to many of you) who grew up in the US. She’s maybe a 6.5 but she is friends with a lot of girls who are more attractive so I’m thinking she’s more beneficial as a friend than as a pump and dump.

        Anyway, I’ve been dropping little bits of red pill knowledge and she seems somewhat shocked but receptive–I’m not getting the typical indignant party-line resistance and I can kind of see the lights coming on. Anyway, we’re on a long run last night (good for her!) and I’m basically explaining to her the concept of the Wall and how men are purely visual and the need to be feminine and the idea that women have to lower their expectations (and avoid guys like me) if they are truly interested in marrying and starting a family. She’s truly clueless about how long she has to attract a mate; she’s thinking the decline doesn’t start until mid-30s. I’m like, um, no–it’s starting for you as we speak, but it will sharply decline right around 30 and you won’t be able to get nearly the type of guy who are hitting on you now. So all of those dudes that you’re rejecting–that’s the type of guy you need to set your sights on. The guys you have dated in the past that “won’t commit”–those guys are out of your league; you have to change your dating strategy.

        I really think she might have grasped what I was saying. We’ll see if she puts it into practice. Of course, it doesn’t affect me one way or the other, but it’s an interesting experiment.

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      • Thank you for such a long reply, Lily. But it’s not the money, really. I just want to know I’m not going to have to rebuild my balance sheet again. And I sure as hell don’t want to explain to someone who T.S. Eliot is. I paid those dues.

        So it is the brains. And no, the problem was never a woman wanting separate vacations, it was *my* wanting separate vacations. I was desperate for them. I’m not grandstanding when I say that I’ve never known a woman who did not want to go on vacation with me. I just never took them. I worked so hard I once went 12 years without taking one.

        And why would a beta supplicant (i.e., Old Me) want a separate vacation, even when he didn’t take them with his spouse? Because he was tired of having his prick handed to him on a paper plate each morning before he went off to work 14 hours to fund an extravagant lifestyle for his “family.” (That would be the family that a judge gave unilaterally to a woman who ended the marriage.) Because it’s the only time he gets to ride a motorcycle, live in a tent, and fly an airplane upside-down. Because women flirted with him instead of telling him when the next marriage counseling/shaming exercise was scheduled. Because UNSTRUCTURED TIME.

        The beauty of discarding post-feminist Good Man rules is that you find women who *do* want a man who says, “Sorry, I’m in Namibia that week shooting big animals.” Some of them have brains and their own checking account.

        Again, appreciate the comments. What I’ve learned on CH today is that even one’s true loves will be cruel, intentionally, and for no real reason. Amazing. It’s an interesting problem as well. The knockout in the anecdote is also my editor.

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      • “I’m in Namibia that week shooting big animals.”

        That’s irrelevant. And what irrilevant was doing my pajamas I’ll never know.

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      • Got it! You have your mind set up on what you want. I won’t tell you it’s right or wrong.

        Just please, don’t be upset with me when I say you sound so pessimistic. Well, maybe it’s a result of your bad experiences with your EX, so I won’t judge you.
        .

        “What I’ve learned on CH today is that even one’s true loves will be cruel, intentionally, and for no real reason. Amazing. It’s an interesting problem as well. The knockout in the anecdote is also my editor.”

        What???? This is what you have learned today? That one’s true loves will be cruel? And how did you come to this realization? Just curious.

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      • “Ha ha you can no fool me;there aint no Sanity Clause…”

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      • The friend in the anecdote about being introduced to the homely woman. You and Amy both said that it’s common to punish an ex- in that fashion. This would never occur to a man.

        And in general, men who divorce are battered worst of all by the overnight transition of a wife to a litigant/child stealer/home stealer. Of course, it wasn’t “overnight”. That’s what a beta boy like me couldn’t see back then. But the fact is that any woman who can do that to her children and husband has that capacity within her at all times. It’s important to realize that. I do now. Paradoxically, knowing that, women behave much better because I rope them and tie them as soon as they start. And we move on, happy again.

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      • “You and Amy both said that it’s common to punish an ex- in that fashion. This would never occur to a man.”

        Maybe, thinking she was your true love was off. Maybe, you loved her more than she loved you. If that’s the case, don’t be surprised she doesn’t try to help you right.

        In addition, men have the same maelstrom of emotions over a supposed expired love affair when they still have feelings there, and more so. If you don’t, it’s peculiar. Perhaps, you didn’t love her as much as you thought you did?

        Furthermore, I guarantee you, she still has feelings for you, which is the reason she will not set you up with a woman better than herself, or at least on the same level. The moment she does, know indifference has set in. She is not nearly as indifferent to you, is she? She is still meeting you, right? That means she has something for you still. Maybe she even likes the new you??? How come her hubby doesn’t mind that she is meeting her old flame? That, BTW, should tell you about their relationship.

        Another thing to consider: Sometimes, cruelty means the partner still has feelings, because there is a fine line between love and hate. Sometimes, losing love could spur hate, but that hate will dissipate once the love is restored. It’s most obvious when people do something directly to hurt the partner. It’s feelings inspired, and it knows no gender. It’s just more nasty sounding when it comes from a woman because women are supposed to be feminine, not vindictive. However, when men do it, it’s more devastating. That’s why feminists got the power of the state to “level the playing field” as it were. Now, it’s a runaway train. It’s not used for fairness; it’s used to inflict pain and hurt on men.

        More:

        A Woman’s looks directly correlate to her self-worth. A woman can’t help feeling competitive over her looks. It’s the chief thing women compete over among themselves – first their looks, then men. No, it’s not their cooking, housecleaning, or child rearing. Those are important, but looks is primary because it’s the way to men. So, it’s not to hurt you per se that she wanted in setting you up with someone less of a looker than she is. It’s her innate nature that’s so deeply imbedded inside her subconscious; she can’t help it. Sometimes, though, as I said, there are mitigating reasons she could get away from her innate nature, but that’s not likely.

        I wonder if you confront her about setting you with a homely woman (or you don’t want her to know how you feel), what she would say. I wonder if you ask her about her marriage being unfulfilling, what she would say.

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      • Lily, in this case, our relationship will always be ambiguous. The romantic chapter is always there; I didn’t understand (I was dating for the first time in my life) how women are, when they decide they have met the man they want to marry. I was also much more damaged from the divorce than I thought I was. So: clueless and damaged. After two or three days with her I practically had to retreat to a dark room with a bottle, just to calm down. She is one of a couple of women I’ve known I should have married. One of the purposes of all this effort at Game is to understand better who the good ones are, when I am with them, and manage the maelstrom. Not after I have left them.

        At the same time she’s my editor, and so we always make book chat the purpose of our meetings. I also recommend new writers to her, and she has acted on a couple of them. (She runs a summer writers conference and one of the keynotes this year was a guy she’d never read, but I recommended.) So there’s some mutual professional respect there. In one of our lunches she criticized her husband for being financially irresponsible; again, I didn’t understand what this meant. She usually has an extra glass of wine. Again, possibly a signal. He’s a handsome guy, very kind, very middling to high beta. A good husband. They’ll never have some of the finer things she enjoyed as a child. She has two children with her husband and I would never, under any circumstances, attempt to take her away. Twelve months ago I didn’t know what hypergamy is. Today, I’d say it’s 50/50 I could take her away. But it would be evil.

        I think she set me up as a favor to her homely friend, whom she probably told I was good in the sack; because she is a proto-feminist and “looks shouldn’t count”; and because she’ll be mad at me the rest of her life for breaking up with her. So the price of this friendship will be periodic small acts of cruelty. I’m good with that. I admit to wishing occasionally that she, and one other woman who married shortly after I broke with her, would get with the program and have an unsuccessful second marriage. But I don’t dwell on it and I do believe that oneitis is disaster for a man. I met so many women this year I had to go to the sidelines, where I am at present.

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    • “For example, my widowed aunt is in her early 50′s and looks good for her age, takes care of herself, stays slim, etc. She’s had no trouble attracting financially secure men in their 50′s who also look good for their age. ”
      She is like a man who only gets 6s, ie. he may be attracted to them but would date hotter women if he could.

      Its great if shes happy with that but dont make the situation into something its not.

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    • The biggest issue for women of a certain age is their self-sabotage. I am attracted to some women who are age-appropriate, but my god, do they self-sabotage. My theory is that this is the end-game of serial monogamy (which Dalrock calls the modern girl’s favorite definition of promiscuous-ONS lifestyle), so even if there is emotional and physical chemistry, their hair’s on fire. They blow everything up arbitrarily. It seems to be the only power they think they retain. Add feminist or progressive I’m-so-virtuous stridency: RUN AWAY. I certainly have.

      An earlier poster said she was in this cohort and had lost all interest in sex by 45, and generalized from that. Maybe this is involved too, if they’ve no interest in sex but feel compelled to pretend.

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      • “My theory is that this is the end-game of serial monogamy (which Dalrock calls the modern girl’s favorite definition of promiscuous-ONS lifestyle), so even if there is emotional and physical chemistry, their hair’s on fire. They blow everything up arbitrarily. It seems to be the only power they think they retain. Add feminist or progressive I’m-so-virtuous stridency: RUN AWAY. I certainly have.”

        I don’t understand what you mean here.

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      • Lily: Just my theory: But if you’ve had 37 consecutive “serial monogamy” “relationships”, and they all failed, you’re probably in search of psychological control of something. So you blow up the next one. Put another way, the shit-testing goes to redline, and you take control of the situation by blowing it up. Suicide bomber dating. Praise allah.

        I swore off age-appropriate women after this date last spring. Woman was in better shape than I, attorney (pass two of three filters). I had to cancel the first date because of work and parenting surprises: she was understanding! Maybe she passed my other filter; maybe she actually likes men! We have a few pleasant exchanges: grown up stuff, work stuff. Conversation on the phone is very relaxed. Emails: jocular.

        We make a date for an upscale place outside DC, a place she knows and says she likes, and then it starts.

        a. she’s 10 mins. late. She lives five minutes from the restaurant. Not an accident.
        b. she’s totally inappropriately dressed (t-shirt and jeans). She’s dressed for a pizza parlor. This was not an accident.
        c. she sits down and says, “Gosh, you’re better looking than your pictures. Are you really XX years old?” This is the first real sign of trouble.
        d. she compliments me on my work, then she criticizes the restaurant that she previously said she loved when we scheduled. Whipsawing has begun.
        e. she asks me the usual checklists questions, then snarks that divorced men never tell the truth about their past.
        f. Waiter comes. She orders wine. Then she says, Well, I probably won’t have any. I order a cocktail. Then she says, Do you drink every day? Then she orders wine. I ask her if we should get a bottle for dinner. She says, Oh, no, I don’t really drink.
        g. Waiter comes back with drinks. She drains half of hers while we look at menu.
        h. Waiter comes back to take order. She says, I think I’ll just have a salad.
        i. I order a regular meal. She says, I don’t eat meat.
        j. We talk about the midwest. (She’s from Wisconsin.) She describes an idyllic childhood, glowingly. I compliment her her good fortune. She rejects the compliment. “At least I don’t live there anymore.”

        [Okay, so she’s bouncing from guard rail to guard rail. Something’s good, means it must be bad, but something’s good, can’t be true, men lie, her hands are all over her hair and her face, she touches my forearm, she looks away, fidgets. It’s like watching the little steel ball in a pinball machine.]

        k. salads come. I make reference to her last name, don’t remember the context, probably just a Miss XX comment. “How do you now my last name? That’s disconcerting.”
        l. “It’s in your email signature?”
        m. Small talk. Halfway through the salad, she stops, looks down, and says, “This will never work.”
        n. I look at her.
        m. “I’m cold.” She clutches her awesome, fit, t-shirted upper arms.
        n. “Would you like my jacket?”
        o. “This will never work.” And she stands up and walks away. I finish my meal on the patio, read my Journal, and resolve never to date anyone my age again. This experience was one of several that were similar between January and June. The woman I saw this past summer was 18 years younger. When she would start to shit-test or self-sabotage, I would just identify it, tell her to stop, and she would. Or agree-amplify, and she would. Or stare at her, and she would.

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      • In my other comment to you, which hasn’t posted yet, I specifically say to stay away from lawyers – your first and only mistake here.

        Anyway, the rest is not your fault. It’s purely hers.

        I have never heard of a woman this irrational. Silence is golden. When women go on dates, they should never criticize anything, period. Especially, not the restaurant. It sends a message they cannot be happy or satisfied.
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        “She describes an idyllic childhood, glowingly. I compliment her her good fortune. She rejects the compliment. “At least I don’t live there anymore.”

        Oh boy; did I say she is irrational, as well as can’t be satisfied! She is the type that complains and finds fault with everything. Well, she’s a lawyer. What do you expect? Women lawyers are the most pessimistic/negative types. Stay away from negativity.
        .

        “The woman I saw this past summer was 18 years younger. When she would start to shit-test or self-sabotage, I would just identify it, tell her to stop, and she would. Or agree-amplify, and she would. Or stare at her, and she would.”

        OK, but this wasn’t a shit test. A woman uses shit tests to gage how much she can get away with in respect to the man. She wants to know how masculine he is. She wants to know she can’t walk all over him. This idiotic woman is a complete nut; she is not shit testing.

        Who knows why she said, “This can’t work”? Do you think it has anything to do with you? Nothing. From the start (before she even met you), she wanted it, needed it, or made it not work. Maybe it’s a case of self-sabotaging; maybe she’s contemplating lesbianism; maybe she’s self-medicating; maybe she’s mentally ill. Who knows? She never gave this a chance. The tell sign is the fact she didn’t come dressed appropriately. Do you know a woman who doesn’t dress to impress, if she were interested in a man? No. She did not intend to make this work.

        Anyway, shit testing isn’t bad, if you know how to handle it. It’s a way for the woman to calm her alpha cravings. She just wants to make sure you are alpha enough. The prettier the girl, the more she shit tests. So, what happened to the 18-years younger woman? Are you still seeing her?
        .

        “Just my theory: But if you’ve had 37 consecutive “serial monogamy” “relationships”, and they all failed, you’re probably in search of psychological control of something. So you blow up the next one. Put another way, the shit-testing goes to redline, and you take control of the situation by blowing it up. Suicide bomber dating. Praise allah.”

        Do you mean literally after 37 consecutive relationships, this happens?

        Regarding control, the more liberal, more feministic a woman is, the more control freak she is. It’s a terrible affliction of feminist women. In contrast, women that are more traditional want the man to inflict the control. Do you see the difference here?

        Regarding the shit testing, as I said above, it can’t be that bad if you know how to handle it. Shit testing means the girl likes you, thus she is trying to ascertain how worthy you are of her. Don’t recoil of shit testing. It’s a game women play to alleviate their brains from worrying about their safety and femininity. You need to turn all shit testing sexual. It’s what it’s about, deep down inside.

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      • ” … I have never heard of a woman this irrational… ”

        Two thirds of the women I have dated were either that irrational or worse

        I have always wondered why I attract nut cases since I am the most sane person I know.

        ( for what that was worth )

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      • Again, don’t think I’m grandstanding. I have been ignorant about many, many, many things, but one thing I’m not ignorant about is body language and attraction. She self-sabotaged (late, poorly dressed) because she thought I was another stupid online date going nowhere, because DATA.

        But she freaked out because I was better looking than someone she could keep. Remember, women are insane about age ranges, and she was a year older than I. So she pulled the pin before she got dumped again. As Canadian Friend notes, this is so common as to be tedious. I now date younger women who think their age advantage will keep me close. Or I did. I’m on hiatus. In the library, so to speak.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 7:07 pm lightsweetcrude

        Love the word choice in “…inflict the control.” Suggests both exerting control and inflicting pain, especially with a definite article in-between.

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      • Also, you’re incorrect. A liberal feminazi *wants* a man to control her. She just want it to happen out of sight of her coven. If they (liberal feminist type) have attraction, they will segregate their politics, and totally submit. Frankly, I think that is their ideal. Just another day at the office. CH NEWSFLASH: Women want the opposite of what they demand. P.S. Amazon delivers aspirin to your door.

        On the latest girlfriend, she was a closet internet hooker. I don’t share women. It’s demeaning and I don’t need anyone else’s viruses.

        She was sneaking onto OK Cupid. I caught her, I dropped her, she denied it, I cut her off, she lied, I told her to shut up, she told me I was childish, I cut her off, she said she loved me, I ignored her, she told me she needed me, I ignored her. This woman is a professional psychiatrist, MD from Hopkins. Fuck me. No interest. Give me a break. I already have children.

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      • “But she freaked out because I was better looking than someone she could keep. Remember, women are insane about age ranges, and she was a year older than I. So she pulled the pin before she got dumped again. “

        I see. So, you think she decided to end it right there because you were better looking than she expected, and she was worried about you dumping her?
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        “I now date younger women who think their age advantage will keep me close. Or I did. I’m on hiatus. In the library, so to speak.”

        You should have been dating younger women from the get go. Why did you wait for this experience lol.
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        “Also, you’re incorrect. A liberal feminazi *wants* a man to control her. She just want it to happen out of sight of her coven. If they (liberal feminist type) have attraction, they will segregate their politics, and totally submit. Frankly, I think that is their ideal.”

        In theory, you’re right. However, I can’t see a feminazi lawyer submitting to a husband; I can’t see her domesticated as it were. Can you? That’s a bitch, if there ever was one. You might be able to have some thrilling sex with her initially. However, when spending everyday together and push comes to shove, can you see that feminazi lawyer easy to live with?

        As far as I am concerned, the only time women lawyers are good is when a man wants to win custody of his kids in a divorce, as well as stop his soon-to-be ex-wife from getting too much of his assets. It’s the only use of female lawyers – standing in front of family law judge and representing a male client in a situation that traditionally are decided in favor of the female. Seeing a female fight for a man (for a change) might sway the Judge.
        .

        “On the latest girlfriend, she was a closet internet hooker. I don’t share women. It’s demeaning and I don’t need anyone else’s viruses. She was sneaking onto OK Cupid.”

        Just because she sneaked onto OK Cupid, does it mean she was cheating on you? Maybe she wasn’t sure as to where you guys stood, and wanted to see what else is out there from time to time. Until a relationship is solidified, it’s not uncommon for singles to line up plane B and plan C, in case Plan A doesn’t work out.

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      • I’ve become a student of the neuroscience of habit (cue-routine/routine w/belief-reward) this summer. So, yes: she revealed herself immediately with her exclamation of surprise at how I looked. There is only one logical reason to be concerned that one’s date is better than expected. Then her series of failed relationships, and the habits they have created, flooded her brain. My face was a “cue”: attraction. Her “routine” was well-known: court and screw. Her failures denied her “belief” that it would work out, and so she doubted “reward.” She melted down. This is all the same, whether we’re talking about drinking, heroin, playing strong safety, or dating. Our brains physically wire us to succeed or fail, based on prior habit.

        On age, I’m atypical of this sphere. Age is as age does, in my view. (It certainly is how I present myself.) The best looking woman I’ve gone out with in the last few years is 44 with three children. The best: H7-8B8-9. That’s what living right, being lucky, and 20 years of yoga will do. But I’m now very skeptical of dating someone who doesn’t feel that she has a card to play in her much-younger years.

        I would never live with a feminazi. Their sexual tastes are not, however, equalitarian. More obnoxious the woman, the more she wants some private domination. In fact, she may feel entitled to it. Just another paradox.

        On OKC GRRRL, we had agreed to go exclusive. She was the one giving me a lot of jealousy game last month, though, and also talking a lot about her slut-pride girlfriends. Red flags: subjects to study. So I wondered. Again, no reason to speak fondly of promiscuity unless it’s appealing. People only talk about what’s on their mind, what they desire. The breaking point wasn’t so much her deceit, it was her lying about it and then attempt at tu quoque counter-attack, followed by the usual shaming (“grow up, it’s a meaningless entertainment”). Other red flags had been she only wanted to get together at my house, odd schedule conflicts and a couple of flakes. I think women are conditioned to a very casual approach to their definition of “serial monogamy”, because that’s a feminist thing, and it reflects their false premise that a vagina = measureless value, that trumps all reason; mine is conditioned by a long marriage. So I don’t need to spend time with her. This was the behavior of someone who doesn’t know what she wants. I can call her now and see her tonight if I wish to, anyway. (She texts me most every night before she goes to bed.) This will continue the more she dates. The flaw in her thinking (I cannot credit it with “reasoning”) is that she thinks all men will do anything for young poon. It’s not true.

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      • If a woman is hot, she looks hot in anything. So who cares if she was dressed in a T and jeans. Unless, of course, she wasn’t anything to write home about, and she knew it???
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        “I would never live with a feminazi. Their sexual tastes are not, however, equalitarian. More obnoxious the woman, the more she wants some private domination. In fact, she may feel entitled to it. Just another paradox.”

        More obnoxious the woman……interesting revelation, eh?
        .

        On the OKC Girl, now I understand. I didn’t realize you agreed to go exclusive and she was breaking it behind your back.

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      • That’s true, a fit woman with a great body looks good in anything. She looked good in t-shirt and jeans. But that’s not the point. She knowingly dressed inappropriately for a first date in a place she frequents. That, my friend, is self-sabotage. It’s like me showing up late for a date without first cleaning my nails and brushing my teeth, and wearing crappy shoes and telling her I forgot my billfold. Granted, this is probably how Ya Really gets laid, but it’s not congruent for me.

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      • “Granted, this is probably how Ya Really gets laid, but it’s not congruent for me.”

        And don’t forget, he burps too.

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    • Amy says: “That video is cool… but what I don’t understand about the “wall” concept is whether it’s based on the woman’s ability to land a universally high-SMV man (say, Channing Tatum) or her ability to land men that are simply attractive to her.”

      The former. If your aunt is contented with her lot then more power to her.

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  14. That was amazing. A triumph of adobe photoshop i guess.

    Must expand on the difference psychologically between women who never had much going for them looks or figure wise in the best of times, and those that do. Obviously, it sucks for even the former to lose what little they had, but it must be torture for the formerly pretty and svelte. At best, if she has a decent facial bone structure, she may be afforded the consolation of graduating into what is known as a ‘handsome women’ for what it’s worth.

    I myself am superannuated and thus de-sexed, as ch claims. But ch is overly alarmist implying that life post-wall is unhappy. For a mom it certainly isn’t–you just move from one stage of life to another. For the childless, i must agree she will be more challenged to make a contented life for herself.

    This may be tmi given the young male readership here, but this may give you some perspective from an aging womans’ view:

    There comes a time mid40’s when a woman’s libido rapidly dwindles, eventually to nothing. If you told her when she was 30 that there will come a time when she will have no interest in sex, few if any sexual fantasies, she would not believe, so in thrall to whatever sexy hormones are running thru her system. Even porn which at 20 had the impact of being shot between the eyes like a bullet, has zero impact. For awhile she is resentful, thinking god has played a mean trick on her by withdrawing this joy precisely when she can no longer get pregnant.

    But then she moves on since there is more to life than being a hot number if you ever that fortunate. She may be no less happy now then when she was a 20something, maybe more since the turmoil and emotional up and downs of that period has been damped down. A beautiful day is no less beautiful because you’re no longer young.

    A report from the trenches.

    :

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    • And if her husband keeps wanting to have sex with her, and he has been too beta and therefore she has no desire to sex him up and instead leans more toward disgust with *his* declining physical traits.

      Divorce. If he’d avoided some of the more beta behaviors in marriage, she’d still have some attraction to him as more than a beta bucks provider. Without that, divorce.

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      • Not so fast. A woman who’s been with a husband she respects for 40+ yrs, such as the one described here still wants to be a good sport, despite her flagging interest. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, his drive has decreased almost in lock step with hers.

        To be sure, a marriage with an active sex life that continues indefinitely is better than one that doesn’t, but it is what is. It’s not the end of the world.

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      • tmi to ask, but would you let him hunt on his own if his libido demanded it, since you are satisfied?

        Move a relatively cute 18 year old into your house — say, a charity case — and watch it reblossom.

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      • Only if she had her own reasons to blow up the marriage.

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    • there’s a schadenfreude aspect to the wall i think, at least for former ‘nice’ guys like me that were all but shredded in their twenties. women with perspective, and mothers of children, are not part of this, for me, anyway. you sound like you married and had children, as opposed to beating men down til you were 38 and expecting brad pitt to jump aboard.

      there is also a universal tragedy to seeing beauty leave the world, a spring and summer that will never return.

      but as for the societal aspect, i don’t think you sound like you’re any part of the problem we have going.

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    • Are you confusing libido with the youthful, illicit thrill of first viewing porn after enjoying an innocent, ostensibly stern, upbringing?

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    • “There comes a time mid40′s when a woman’s libido rapidly dwindles, eventually to nothing. … A woman who’s been with a husband she respects for 40+ yrs, such as the one described here still wants to be a good sport, despite her flagging interest.”

      Well. This gets my vote for today’s apex depiction of marital hell: rote sympathy sex with someone who has no interest in sex. A good sport? Uggh.

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      • Keep in mind that even younger women’s desire for sex may not correspond to her husband’s, time wise.

        There’s a wise saying: ‘a man gives love for sex, a woman gives sex for love’. I used to think at one time it was bs. No more. Sometimes you have to make the best of what you’ve got.

        [CH: Notice how quickly the beautiful soothing sentiments of romance that psychologically heal the masses are being abandoned in this thread. Enter Le Chateau at your own risk.]

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      • Well, I really appreciate all the advice you’re giving us, not that it isn’t condescending, trite (“sex for love, love for sex”), or Exhibit A in how women extrapolate from their subjective experience and paint the entire world the same color.

        Notably about the wisdom of planning my ascetic limp-dick dotage: if you wish to rationalize and celebrate your personal situation, that’s great, type away. But my actual experience is that the panties fly faster the older the woman becomes. Then again, I could be wrong, because I’ve never had sympathy sex in my life, so obviously I inhabit a different planet than the tired and sexually defeated men you wish to celebrate.

        To your other comment about what do alphas do when yoked to a sexless marriage? They cheat, openly or discreetly; they divorce; or they surrender, some happily. It depends on their sense of masculinity and financial position; a key dependent variable, as you note, is whether or not there are virtues to their marital homes that offset the sexual humiliation intrinsic to the bias of wife who says that she only extends sex, as a “good sport”, to engender love. That right there is the source of most married men’s lives of quiet desperation.

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      • Is it surprising that someone identifying as “newyorker” would speak as if he/she were the center of the fucking universe?

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      • I come by the moniker honestly, having lived in 4 of the 5 boroughs all my life. Looking for a neutral name that said a little about myself, i should have used ‘ex-staten islander’, the place the show ‘jersey shore’ should have been named after. My origins are humble.

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      • Don’t shoot the messenger. It is a well known fact that libido declines in menopausal and premenopausal woman, despite your experience of panties flying sooner with age. I dunno, maybe you’re a special snowflake. I, on the other hand, am not, and know it, even (temporarily) deploring it.

        But you’re right that an alpha may make other arrangements when faced with a sexless marriage or even just an aging but eager to please wife. She may continue to play trilby to his oh so charismatic svengali, but i wouldn’t bet the farm on it. There is always a price to pay even for the powerful i.e., the alienation or even the disinterest of his wife, the respect of his children, or tbe censure of the community. Sometimes none of the choices are the best of all possible worlds.

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      • Im sure guys like Donald Trump are crying themselves to sleep when they think of the consequences of leaving their aging wives for hot models.

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      • If you’re a messenger, newyorker, you’re a messenger from Harlequin Romance. I read literary fiction, not emotional porn. I also don’t sing “Feelings” or “You’re So Beautiful” to myself in the shower.

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      • @bv–heh. If you only knew.

        @goodspeed–i doubt the aging wife or the hot model got into that relationship not knowing what to expect and concocting a potentially lucrative plan b. The ex and present mrs. Trumps don’t seem too dim.

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      • > “[CH: Notice how quickly the beautiful soothing sentiments of romance that psychologically heal the masses are being abandoned in this thread. Enter Le Chateau at your own risk.]”

        Notice also how many female Manosphere lurkers are being brought out of the woodwork by this topic.

        This shit is deeply personal to these women.

        Almost as though The Wall scares them even more than Death Itself.

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      • Nope, death scares me more than “the wall”. I have my husband. I have my kids. Pretty much did what I was biologically inclined to do. If my husband decides to find a young woman, my children and I are fine. Thank you laws, for that. I don’t think that I’m undeserving, given that I wait on him hand and foot, and I take care of our offspring. Not saying that I don’t put out, just accepting of what is to come.

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      • > “Nope, death scares me more than “the wall”. I have my husband. I have my kids.”

        Honey, you are NOT the kinda chick we’re talking about here.

        Yet note that even you yourself – with the husband and the kids and the perfect life – were lured out of the woodwork to pontificate about this most personal of all possible topics for a womyn.

        It’s abundantly obvious now that The Wall really deeply and profoundly horrifies all y’all womyn-folk.

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      • Do NOT forget the lube!

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    • “There comes a time mid40′s when a woman’s libido rapidly dwindles, eventually to nothing. If you told her when she was 30 that there will come a time when she will have no interest in sex, few if any sexual fantasies, she would not believe, so in thrall to whatever sexy hormones are running thru her system. Even porn which at 20 had the impact of being shot between the eyes like a bullet, has zero impact.”
      The solution is to get a wife who is okay with the husband having a silent mistress or a few lays on business trips.

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      • I think that might work if the wife is clearly number 1, and if at least theoretically ( given her waning libido) it’s an open marriage. It depends on the marriage, e.g. does she have other interests. If the center of her life were her husband, i doubt it would work.

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      • You know your remark brings to mind a bio of peter the great of russia who had a good relationship with his wife, the wife when she was getting a bit older handpicking his concubines. My guess is she was no dummy and selected ones who were hot fluffheads incapable of intrigue. My 2cents.

        Maybe if you’re a head of state or attila the hun, different standards apply. That was my takeaway.

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  15. I continue to believe that women are very like dogs and horses in that you have a unique relationship with each that cannot be replicated with other men. Sometimes that relationship is so intense you can fantasize any of them into more sentient creatures than they are or are even capable of being. In the end, no matter how intimate with the woman or however much you can rely on your horse or your dog, they simply do not last as long as we do. Hence the need for new blood.

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    • ” … Sometimes that relationship is so intense you can fantasize any of them into more sentient creatures than they are or are even capable of being… ”

      Yes I have had that dream shattered a few times.

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  16. The soundtrack should have been The Wall.

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  17. they need a man’s version. dude just gets better potentially into his forties

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  18. for once a man is thus ensnared, inertia, guilt and duty conspire to keep him there past his lover’s sexual expiration date.Not to mention having to give her half his shit and pay the fat bitch money for years, AND having to hear shit from both families forever.

    Hey, on the bright side, I played air guitar for my hygienist while she cleaned my teeth, and now she’s going to be taking guitar lessons from me. I figure this is too beta to get me in this chick’s pants, but it can’t hurt my social proof.

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  19. agreed on wall impact at the 3:00 mark

    jowl formation is the primary tell

    would be interesting to see an age designation throughout the video

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  20. Rollo Tomassi’s Sexual Market Value graph:

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  21. I have to agree with Amy. Anyway, I am forty two and got married when I was nineteen. We have been married twenty two years now. I see all of these women my age acting as if they still had what they had in their twenties and it just isn’t true. We age. Father Time kicks the crap out of women. The best we can do is try to take care of ourselves with proper diet and exercise…sadly, women my age more often than not don’t do this, either. “Wall denial”. It would serve women well to try to marry young, but feminism has made women buy the lie that they have all the time in the world.

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    • “It would serve women well to try to marry young, but feminism has made women buy the lie that they have all the time in the world.”

      I think the lie is much worse than that though – the real lie feminism told was “a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.” Today’s generation of women have been raised to believe they don’t NEED husbands at all, that they can have careers and go shoe shopping and get on the Pill and have casual sex until the day they die. But since biology always wins, that empty womb starts whispering “time is running out” around 30 and that whisper eventually rises to a scream. That’s when you see the empowered career woman:

      1) Start collecting cats (which she literally calls “fur babies” in a sad parody of human reproduction.)
      2) Start popping prescription anti-depressants to drown out the negative feelings of reproductive failure.
      3) Find a sucker to marry and impregnate her. Note she doesn’t actually love her husband because she “doesn’t need a man”, remember? He’s just a means to an end, which is why she divorces him as soon as he’s donated sperm and bought her a house and a car.

      And this is how the nuclear family collapses.

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      • 3) Find a sucker to marry and impregnate her. Note she doesn’t actually love her husband because she “doesn’t need a man”, remember? He’s just a means to an end, which is why she divorces him as soon as he’s donated sperm and bought her a house and a car.

        Makes me think of The Big Lebowski.

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    • > “I am forty two and got married when I was nineteen. We have been married twenty two years now.”

      How many children do you have?

      And how many more children are you going to have?

      At 42, your womb ought to be fertile for another five years or more…

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  22. on September 17, 2013 at 9:27 am RappaccinisDaughter

    From your tweet: “Correction: That gun, or any gun, shouldn’t be available to people with mental illness.”

    Mostly agreed, but it’s hard to get the nuance across in 140 characters. Schizophrenics who are hearing voices and dissociated from reality, yes. People dealing with “garden-variety” emotional issues like mild to moderate depression, social anxiety, etc., should retain their Constitutional rights.

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    • THE PROBLEM IS THE GOD-DAMNED PSYCHIATRISTS.

      The moment the mother-fucker presents with psychotic hallucinations [“hearing voices”] and a history of playing 1st-Person Shooters for 16-hours-a-day, the Attending Physician should be on the phone with the Police Department or the Sheriff’s Department to get a search warrant to search the mother-fucker’s apartment and to seize any guns found therein.

      And then call up the Feds and put the mother-fucker on the “Do Not Purchase” list with the Federal Firearms Licensed dealers.

      These God-damned psychiatrists [TYPICALLY J*WISH] need to be fed through industrial-strength chipper-shredder machines and turned into human ketchup.

      EVERY GOD-DAMNED ONE OF THESE LUNATICS WAS KNOWN TO “THE SYSTEM”.

      AND “THE SYSTEM” DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM.

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      • plus…He had shot the tires on someone’s car and had shot trough the neighbor’s apartment floor…

        I don’t understand why no one raise a red flag on that nut case shooting his gun just about anywhere and anytime

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      • Remember – The Frankfurt School literally had its background in the discipline of Psychiatry [that’s how they figured out all these evo-psych mechanisms for releasing female insanity upon the civilized world].

        And almost all working psychiatrists today have at least brushed elbows with The Frankfurt School – if they aren’t full-blown acolytes and proselytizers of It.

        And The Frankfurt School wants nothing more than to destroy the Second Amendment.

        All of The Frankfurt School’s leading Rabbis and Rabbettes – Michael Bloomberg, David Frum, Diane Feinstein, Cass Sunstein – are screaming bloody murder for the destruction of the Second Amendment.

        And so it BEHOOVES The Frankfurt School psychiatrists to put these madmen back on the streets where they can inflict their mayhem upon society.

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      • And again we see– It’s the Frankfurters! If only we could have Zombie Shame running things, with the wood chippers and all. The we would have happiness, peace, wood chippers, and ovens full of Jewish Psychiatrists.

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      • Lying liberals can’t get rid of the 2nd Amendment so they try to quietly poke it down the Memory Hole instead
        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/16/wait-until-you-see-how-a-high-school-textbook-summarizes-the-rights-granted-in-the-second-amendment/

        Cass Sunstein is a Pod Person
        http://goldensextant.com/commentary35.html#anchor16319

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      • > “EVERY GOD-DAMNED ONE OF THESE LUNATICS WAS KNOWN TO “THE SYSTEM”. AND “THE SYSTEM” DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM… And so it BEHOOVES The Frankfurt School psychiatrists to put these madmen back on the streets where they can inflict their mayhem upon society.”

        Police warned Navy about gunman’s mental instability 6 weeks ago, report says
        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/18/navy-yard-shooter-heard-voices-through-walls-thought-people-sending-vibrations/

        The Frankfurt School starved to death 10,000,000 Ukrainians in the Holdomor.

        Do not doubt for a second that they would so much as blink an eye at the thought of sacrificing* a few dozen Shkotzim here and there on the way to the ultimate goal of destroying the Shkotzic Second Amendment.

        These lunatics are being allowed to kill FOR A REASON.

        And the reason is the destruction of Western Civilization.

        *In Frankfurt School speak: “You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.”

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      • Seriously though, when I read the account of Mr. Killed-13 and it said he claimed he ” accidentally fired his gun while cleaning it” IN AN APARTMENT BUILDING while a dispute with a neighbor went on– and that the police didn’t charge him with anything apparently– THAT maybe would have been a good point to intervene and restrict his right to mayhem?

        Although I’m a full retard libtard, I’ve given up on advocating gun control, it’s like trying to get between a feminist and Alpha Cock, all you’re going to do is get everyone pissed off –and all the rural gun nuts I’ve met were pretty nice in real life situations, and not really a significant danger to a peaceable person.

        But I imagine even a skilled gun user / 2nd amendment advocate would be aghast at some moron shooting off a gun INSIDE AN APARTMENT BUILDING right?

        That indicates something is really, really wrong with either intent or skills on the part of that gun-owner. After all even if Mr. Kill-Thirteen was supposed to be a member of a “militia” (which seems beyond absurd) 2nd amendment does say “well-regulated”, right? Would that include taking away guns from a guy who shoots them off in multi-family dwellings?

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      • The Second Amendment protects individual gun ownership; the militia phrase is separate and he was not a member of a militia.

        That having been said, gun ownership by lunatics is not absolutely protected by the Second Amendment.

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      • Well, in all fairness, if I was a racist white person in charge of the affirmative action program, I would hire the worst blacks (like this guy) in order to demonstrate the program is a failure.

        Some of you may be aware of the white version of this phenomenon commonly known as “failing upward”

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      • Jokes on YOU thwackie ma boy;He wasnt the worst. far from it!

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      • on September 18, 2013 at 8:01 am RappaccinisDaughter

        This is important enough a subject that I am going to ignore your slander of our non-shellfish-eating friends, ZS.

        The problem goes well beyond modern psychiatry. Even when everything works perfectly (the doctor becomes alarmed, notifies a judge, a hearing is scheduled, the judge agrees, the patient is adjudicated mentally unfit, the patient is put in a facility, the firearms are removed, the adjudication makes it into the NICS system), it still takes time…several weeks, at a minimum.

        And most of the time, the system doesn’t and cannot work perfectly. Specifically, many states’ systems have no way of uploading the names of those adjudicated mentally unfit into the FBI database that’s accessed when background checks are performed. And when they do, frequently there’s not enough funding to do so.

        All of these problems are fixable and fall well under the rubric of “enforcing existing laws,” which even full-on Second Amendment absolutists like me have no problem with. But the libtards would rather scream about scary-looking semi-automatic firearms that shoot one bullet at a time. Just like Grandpa’s ranch gun, only firing a smaller, less powerful caliber. (Yes, I know some ARs are chambered in .308 or 7.65. But most of them are .223/5.56, which is actually kind of a weenie round. I wouldn’t use it on anything bigger than a coyote or a thin-skinned critter like a mountain lion.)

        While we’re on the subject of ARs, have you noticed that although it came out that the Navy Yard shooter did not, in fact, have one…there have been no retractions printed? Nope, they’re leaving all of the original reporting up and just shutting off the comments. Cute.

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      • > “This is important enough a subject that I am going to ignore your slander of our non-shellfish-eating friends… But the libtards would rather scream…”

        First and foremost, the libtards are precisely “our non-shellfish-eating friends”.

        Let’s get that off the table before we go any further.

        Having said that, now ask yourself:

        1) Why do “our non-shellfish-eating friends”, who run the Psychiatry Services in the Hospitals, insist on discharging paranoid schizophrenics who ought to be institutionalized, knowing full well the danger that those schizophrenics pose to the community at large [well, at least to the defenseless Shkotzim community – we don’t seem to see too many of these shootings in the tonier Manhattan high rises with the security guards at the entrances]?

        2) Instead of working to get the paranoid schizophrenics institutionalized and/or placed on “Do Not Sell” lists with the FFLs, why do “our non-shellfish-eating friends” instead choose to “scream” about the Second Amendment to the Shkotzim Constitution?

        We keep seeing the same pattern repeating itself over and over and over again:

        A) THE PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE SYSTEM KNEW ABOUT THESE PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENICS.

        B) THE PSYCHIATRISTS IN THE SYSTEM CHOSE TO DO NOTHING.

        C) THE PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENICS GO ON THEIR SHOOTING RAMPAGES.

        D) THE PSYCHIATRISTS’ KISSING COUSINS IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA CALL FOR THE DISMANTLING OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

        People who keep watching the same pattern repeat itself, over and over and over again, but who steadfastly refuse to acknowledge even the existence of the pattern – much less the nature of the pattern, and the reason for the pattern’s existence in the first place – are people who aren’t all that much more mentally healthy than are the damned paranoid schizophrenics themselves.

        I.e. if you refuse to walk up and smell the coffee here, then you’re essentially suicidal.

        And I can’t help folks who welcome their own deaths.

        All I can do is get out of the hell outta the way.

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      • on September 18, 2013 at 10:35 am RappaccinisDaughter

        If you support the Constitution, I don’t care if your name is Miller or Feinbaum or Akbar or Puff the Magic Titty-Fucking Dragon—we’re going to get along just fine.

        If you don’t support the Constitution, I don’t give a damn if you look like my sainted great-grandma, we’re going to have an argument.

        If you undermine the credibility of people who support the Constitution by publicly spouting off bizarre conspiracy theories, I am going to assume that you are either (best-case scenario) crazier than a shithouse rat yourself, or (worst-case scenario) false-flagging. (Most recent example: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/busted-left-wing-plant-at-houston-pro-zimmerman-rally-is-far-left-activist/)

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      • Thank you. At least someone here standing for the Constitution, as opposed to attacking it.

        I now realize why Zombie Shane needs conspiracy theory to feel right about himself. He’s purposeless. His soul is empty and full of rage. He’s an unfilled and unfulfilled vessel. Maybe he didn’t get that job, or that promotion, or that university entrance. Or maybe he is upset he isn’t as smart and as rich, so he needs to believe there are hamburgers, hotdogs, shikutsim, Sanhedrin, conspiring to take everything away from him….blah, blah, blah. Yeah, in short he’s crazy.

        The problem is, he’s gotten crazier in recent threads, have you not noticed? His grip on reality is slipping, slip, slip, away. It’s why I almost don’t bother responding to him when he attacks me. You only respond when someone is worth it. He’s not even worth a joke, let alone an attack. What a stupid man. I am sad for him.

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      • on September 19, 2013 at 7:13 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I don’t know what his deal is, Lily; part of me wonders if he’s an Amanda Marcotte type, creating a straw-man mouthpiece to prove that all of her zany shit is true.

        Consider: He’s an insane pronatalist who can’t even talk about women without drooling over their wombs and how many babies they could potentially produce. He’s a blatant racist and anti-Semite. He evangelizes about America’s downfall.

        I mean, if I were Amanda Marcotte, and I wanted to breathe life into my personal boogeyman…well, the character I’d create would be Zombie Shane.

        I’m not saying that I think this is true. I will state, however, that when I read his posts, I hear them in the voice of Matt Frewer as The Trashcan Man in “The Stand.”

        BUNS IN OVENS! BUNS IN OVENS! BUMPTY-BUMPTY-BUMP!

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      • ” He’s a blatant racist and anti-Semite. ”

        Oh god no, a racist and an-semitic ? What an evil person he must be,Those are crimes against humanity. You do realize that Lily is a blatant racist, you should read some of her past posts on this board.

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      • on September 19, 2013 at 8:02 am RappaccinisDaughter

        The point of my post seems to have escaped you, Hammer of Love.

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      • The jews are hard working. The jews are intelligent. The jews have suffered so much! the jews care about fairness.You’re just jealous of the jews. You should try to be more like them! Iran will have a bomb within 6 months. Within 3 months. Within a year. The jews help the underdog…

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      • I am responsible for two adult, chronically disabled schizophrenics. It’s nearly impossible to get them institutionalized against their will when they go off the rails, it’s destructive of work and family to try, and while I am an extreme libertarian, we’ve gone too far in protecting the rights of dangerously sick people to walk about in society. These policies need to get moved back to about where they were in 1960, before the ACLU went extreme on the subject.

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      • on September 18, 2013 at 2:22 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        A reasonable sentiment, in and of itself. The problem is that there’s a fear that any policy changes that make it easier to institutionalize people who aren’t capable of caring for themselves will be abused. After all, it’s happened in the past—wasn’t it as recently as the 1940s that a woman could be institutionalized for promiscuity?

        I know it sounds paranoid to wonder what happens if conservatism makes it into the DSM-IV, but…there are a number of liberal commentators who have suggested just that.

        But let’s back away from the tinfoil hat stuff for a minute and talk about where we draw the bright lines, for bright lines will indeed need to be drawn. Many of the more common conditions are rarely dangerous, and extremely treatable: For example, it would be counterproductive for somebody who sought help for post-partum depression to be treated as a potential Andrea Yates. If soldiers thought seeking treatment for PTSD might cause their 2A rights to be denied, they might forego it and suffer in silence.

        Would love to hear your thoughts, BuenaVista, as well as anybody else involved in the mental-health fields…

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      • I would start with limited duration (just 30 days) involuntary commitment authority for clearly documented cases of chronic psychopathy. In general, when a schizo goes off the deep end now, it’s because she decides to stop taking the suppressive meds, and within two weeks she’s coherent and able to reason.

        I agree that DSM inflation is a problem. Probably, by now, my cleaning habits are clinical. PTSD? Too vague and ambiguous. Suicide threats? Well, free country.

        Schizophrenia is the black hole of mental health. The hospitals don’t want them because they don’t get better. The patients don’t want treatment often, so they live under bridges without their meds.

        Not very concerned about prosecuting promiscuity. There wouldn’t be any cheerleaders left, and America loves football.

        There’s a solution to attempting to pathogize conservatism. They’re located in our gun safes.

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  23. Love your work CH, but you didn’t invent the wall. I first heard the term on Howard Stern in the 90s, who would take about this actress or that hitting the wall.

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    • I agree, but it’s been around longer than Howard as well. My great-grandfather spoke of it being told to him in the 19th century. They had differen names for the ladies (did they use spinster then?) but the effect was the same: you were past your marry by date.

      No man was willing to take a chance on a first baby in a twenty something womb.

      The only difference is the market value is purely beauty (as a symbol of fertility) today.

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  24. Sad to watch. I agree 2:50 the wall shows up. At 3:20 shit has done hit the fan and started to drip all over everything. Interestingly she starts to have a bit of a smile on her face at about 3:50. She is by that point 10-15 years past any remnant of appreciable SMV and about 5 years past deluding herself that she still has that SMV and has finally found a way to live with that fact. The time from 3:20 to 3:50 is undoubtably a tough time for most women.

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  25. I felt the same feeling watching that around wall-hittin’ time that I do when UFC fighters are about to break someone’s arm.

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  26. Maybe I’m seeing something that isn’t there, but she’s actually more pleasant to look at in her oldest years, when her facial expression seems happier (and perhaps accepting of he rlot in life) than she is right after the Wall hits. The video was made from family portraits, so it presumably follows a real-life trajectory. Did she have kids or not? I imagine she wouldn’t have been a pleasant mother to be around in her immediate post-Wall years given the unhappiness that she can’t seem to hide even in a family portrait. Did she become a grandmother? Is that what triggered the slight tilt back to happiness near the end?

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  27. […] had a post today with an interesting video about women hitting the Wall (The Wall, In Fast Forward | Chateau Heartiste). I discussed this with a friend who's almost 40 and a Leykis listener who said that he still wants […]

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  28. lol 50, I know chicks under 30 that have hit it

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  29. Women stop being as feminine post 35. Creates psychologically damaged children.

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  30. “… for once a man is thus ensnared, inertia, guilt and duty conspire to keep him there past his lover’s sexual expiration date.”

    For some, no doubt. But this cannot explain why the vast majority of married men prefer to stay married,

    [CH: Disincentives to leaving.]

    particularly if it is of no matter to them financially or in terms of access to their children.

    [And if it matters to them in terms of never getting laid again?]

    It also does not explain why married men deeply grieve the deaths of their post-Wall wives and tend to die shortly thereafter.

    [Unchallenged virtue.]

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

    [Not as much as you hope.]

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    • CH is talking about women who remain in the dating market as they get older. Obviously there are reasons beyond physical beauty for a man to stay with a woman who has borne his children and made a home for him. But that caveat has already been addressed in many other posts; you should read and lurk more before posting the obvious.

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    • Ch, ch, ch,(sigh) enough with the arch nihilism.

      What would the alpha do? Discretely cheat? Openly do so at the risk of alienating his wife ‘ s affection? Divorce and remarry ? There are downsides too to the aging alpha ‘ s options. He can’ t have it all either.

      [CH: No doubt, but it’s helpful to remind people that their nebulous heavenly mysteries which fill them with such hope for humanity are often just a consequence of pressing constraints limiting options.]

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    • I notice in my parents as they became senior citizens, they developed a family type love for each other. It’s something non-sexual, so it has little to nothing to do with looks. It’s just they grew up together, been through thick and thin together, share the same kids and grandkids. They provide comfort for each other when one is sick. It creates an amazing bond. But it is a very different thing than what we of peak nubility think about when we think of parter attraction.

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      • > “But it is a very different thing than what we of peak nubility think about when we think of parter attraction.”

        NO. SHIT. SHERLOCK.

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  31. on September 17, 2013 at 10:38 am stevie tellatruth

    Off Topic:
    Smooth Operator: 8 of the Most Hilarious and Creative Pickup Lines
    http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/smooth-operator-8-most-hilarious-creative-pickup-lines-150400024.html

    (#2, #3 were most red pill-ish)

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  32. What about Stacey Dash? Wtf…is that woman unstoppable or something. She has kids and is fast nearing 50…..but uh…..would def bone 🙂

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  33. CH your estimate of the moment of wall-hitting is uncharacteristically generous. is all well?

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    • How is it generous?

      CH is using the wall as shorthand for the event horizon past which a woman simply will never be ‘sexy.’

      When a woman starts this decline is a different question. It depends on a lot of factors, I’d say. Some women are just healthier and age better than others — plus, some women just take care of themselves.

      Not coincidentally, the ‘wall’ point of no return happens right around the time a woman becomes naturally barren. Think about that kids. Think about it.

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      • Fine fine. It’s just that I would have put wall-slam earlier, and am nobody’s idea of a dogmatist on these matters.

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      • Most women just let themselves go, tho. We’d have to take a woman who keeps up her appearance. It seems like those women (provided they have decent genetics) experience a slow, gradual decline.

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  34. How do men become sexually aroused when their women are old, fat, or ugly?

    [CH: Beer, darkness, thinking of England…]

    I have 2 omega male friends (late 30s) who married obese, ugly sisters. The guys love their wives

    [Wanna bet how fast their love would disappear if a hottie came onto them?]

    who are smart, devoted, and about 10 years younger than they are. But the women, practically twins, are undeniably homely (both resemble Andrea Dworkin). Do men fantasize about other, attractive women during sex, or can love alone allow a man to get an erection?

    [Omega males, as these guys are, have learned the art of getting hard for something, anything, moist, while closing their eyes and mentally drifting off somewhere else.]

    With fewer reproductive options, have omega men adapted to have more malleable and more easily aroused penises?

    [Epeengenetics.]

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    • QUESTION….are these women fat?

      NEXT QUESTION…..you said ‘smart’ and devoted, rather than ‘warm-hearted,’ or ‘feminine’ and devoted. So are they feminine/warm?

      Thin and feminine = most of the battle. The real bitch of the red pill isn’t the realization that top shelf pussy is so hard to get for X, Y, Z reason. It’s that most guys — who would take top shelf pussy but will HAPPILY settle for less — are denied just a basic thin and warm-hearted woman to love them, because women are constantly told to act like men.

      I guarantee that the average beta schlub would merrily pair off with a 4-6 who was thin, feminine, and loved him in the way that a woman is supposed to love a man.

      Annnnnnyway……

      for me, what’s sexually arousing is 1) a hot body, 2) a submissive dynamic, 3) girly stuff (high voice, long hair, nice smell)

      A good face makes me want to commit, but I’m unsure if that’s what does it for me on a raw sexual level — at least not on the level of the other items. As long as it’s cute.

      So, maybe that’s the answer for them too. However, it sounds like these whales are fat, ugly, and non-feminine. SO WHO KNOWS

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      • The women, sisters, are short (about 5′) and weigh over 200 pounds each. They have saggy watermelon tits. They are feminine, warm, and loving, but very clingy. Years ago, one of these male omega friends had to resort to fucking street prostitutes (not even escorts) because he simply could not get laid. I think these men are grateful to be married to pleasant but ugly women. I really don’t understand the mystery of the penis, though, how it can become aroused under such circumstances. (The women have massive gunts, probably hairy.)

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      • K but they are fat. Yck.

        Scray’s traits of attractiveness:

        Men: height, face, body, game —- > have 3. If you can’t have 3, you must have game among them.

        Women: body, face, feminine, kind —> have 3. If you can’t have 3, have body first and foremost.

        ….

        do they have high-pitched girly voices AT LEAST?

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      • I used to be a young man and as any honest young man will tell you; youth makes our penis get hard for almost anything

        Of course we prefer good looking women but we are so horny that even a fat and borderline ugly one can make us hard,

        if the man rarely gets any for whatever reason, then it takes even less to give him erections

        the two omegas you describe have erections in part because they are gratefull they are getting sex – any sex – at all

        for the record; I am now 53 but 30 years ago the breeze used to give me hardons, if you know what I mean

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      • Okay, another sordid anecdote. There are actually two mysteries here, Jessica. One, how the fuck do you get aroused by a walking water balloon. Two, how do you insert a penis inside an invisible vagina, invisible because it’s shrouded by six inches of rolling, spilling fat? The tale:

        Yet another former girlfriend is an gynecological oncologist. In the upper midwest. Where women are b-i-g. Guess who gets cancer more often? Morbidly obese women. How do you operate on their private parts in horrendously difficult surgeries that last hours, if you can’t find their private parts because the patients are morbidly obese?

        Really, don’t leave. This is funny.

        So doctor friend has yet another morbidly obese patient. The patient is so fat that she didn’t realize that she had fully developed, visible cancer on the outside of her lower abdomen. (I’m trying not to be too clear so that the men are not permanently scarred and unable to ever get a boner again.) She had completed one surgery and was talking with the couple in recovery. There was a problem, my doctor friend said. It was hard to get unfettered access to the cancer on account of, on account of … there was a potato sack of fat constantly impairing access. They would have to try again.

        [Now. The woman is about 300, 350. Doctor says the husband was a 150 pound ectomorph. Whew. Sounds like Jessica’s freak males.]

        Husband now says, “Oh, well, you just need a lap board.”

        “Lap board?”

        “Yeah, a lap board. We use one. It’s like a seat on a swing set, and it pulls her stomach out of the way.”

        [Guess why the husband needed a lap board. Yes, these people were sexually active.]

        Net, I helped my surgeon friend apply for her first patent: for a surgical lap board. See? Insights every day.

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      • > “Guess why the husband needed a lap board.. Net, I helped my surgeon friend apply for her first patent: for a surgical lap board.”

        LOL’ed.

        BuenaVista winz teh innert00bz for Tuesday, September 17, 2013.

        All the rest of us can quit until at least tomorrow.

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      • Thanks, I think that’s a prop. Help me out though, as I am a rook and older than you. What does the GBFM-style “winz teh innert00bz” type mispelling signify? I have been reading it for six months. I can’t figure out what the meaning of intentionally fucking up simple words are. Eh?

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      • And I really tried. I read Old English, Middle English, French, some Italian and a little German. I read a lot of shit. But I can’t figure out the meta-meaning of GBFM-speak.

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      • It’s just, like, groovy man. The hep jive of the /b/tard scene. Can ya dig it?

        In short, it’s what happens when youth slang develops in the typed language medium, rather than the spoken. It’s meta-meaning is purely social, not linguistic.

        You either get it or you don’t. And if you don’t, you’re like, squaaaare man!

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      • It means, “You win the internet!”

        [At least for one day.]

        Since I’ve been at the Chateau, the only other time that it happened was The Raven commenting within the SWPL Pitbull thread:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/02/10/pasty-spotted-ass-chipmunk-cheeked-herbling-swpls-and-pitbulls/#comment-410077

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      • Okay, I’m square. Thanks for the explication.

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      • explication? It seems you do know some French, because as far as I know the English word would be ; explanation,

        it seems you mixed them up, I often do similar mistakes

        my first language is French

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      • I would say the most remarkable women are in Quebec City.

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      • “. . .as far as I know the English word would be . . .”

        . . .”explication.” It’s in English dictionaries and everything. Many English words are French in origin. Fucking Normans. They should go back where they came from: Denmark.

        Wait, that’s where the Angles and the Saxons came from too. So that would make the Norman conquest of England the Danes conquering themselves. Why don’t we all speak Danish?

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      • I’m relatively new here. Is this satire? Guess I should have used a male pseudonym. Regardless, that’s a good story. Doctors must be so careful to avoid hurting obese women’s feelings, even though that obesity contributes to their hypertension, high cholesterol, fertility issues, back pain, and especially depression.

        And they’re not freak males, just unable to get girls/women since junior high. My friend endured a lot of chronic rejection over the years and I’m glad he’s found happiness. I still can’t fathom the erection though. As Elaine from Seinfeld said, “I don’t know how you can walk around with those things.”

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      • on September 18, 2013 at 11:04 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I’m glad I bought my ticket to Hell a long time ago, because laughing at that story just allowed me to upgrade to Business class.

        I underwent laparoscopic thoracic surgery a few years ago. I was in the OR and they’d just started pushing the sleepytime drugs into my IV as they were positioning me on the table. They’re taking off my hospital gown to take a Sharpie to mark the spot where they’re going to put the scope in. I’m officially too high to care about the sudden semi-nudity, but still awake enough to hear the nurse’s delighted squeal: “RIBS! Look, RIBS! This is gonna be so easy…”

        In my drugged state, that confused me. In recovery, I asked the surgeon what she’d meant. “Oh, we just operate on a lot of patients who are so obese, it’s hard to find where the incision should go. And sometimes the scope isn’t long enough to get through the fat to the organs…”

        I totally get how somebody could wind up 10, 20 pounds overweight. Get an injury that keeps you out of the gym, give in to the Krispy Kreme demon a few too many times…that would be easy. But how can anyone let themselves get so fat that a surgeon can’t find their organs?

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      • Fun times. I had emergency surgery for a pneumothorax while stuck in a third world shithole. Thank god for morphine.

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    • How do men become sexually aroused when their women are old, fat, or ugly?

      [CH: Beer, darkness, thinking of England…]

      Make that Russia. England has the fattest, ugliest women on the planet.

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  35. I married young and started my family young, all other female friends around my age thought I was making a huge mistake and ‘throwing the best years of my life away,’ when I would try to tell them they should do the same they would never listen to me, because their youth and beauty will fade and nobody will want them, and they’ll either have to marry a man below their standards or die childless and alone, they would never listen to me, so I stopped even trying.

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    • So true. That’s what they tell you if you try to marry early, even though they can see all around them older women who waited too long.

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    • You did the right thing. 20s is the time to settle down and have children. These women in their late 30s/early 40s trying to settle with a man who wants a younger woman, can’t always conceive. Why wait for something that you have the resources for in your 20s, and try and throw the dice for it when you’re in your older? Biology women, biology…

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    • But imagine what you’ve lost. You’ll never be totally fierce in a cubicle in the HR department.

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      • on September 18, 2013 at 10:00 am The King of Verbal Seduction

        LOL

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      • LOL! One of my carousel riding friends said something like ‘I think women who want to have lots of kids have this weird sense of satisfaction from having something helpless depend on them and that isn’t psychologically healthy’ well duh yes many women get emotional satisfaction from having a helpless newborn depend on them! That’s kind of how a race/species/people survives! I believe most animals even non-human animals feel that and it’s totally normal it’s called the female reproductive urge duh! So I said back to her ‘I think some women have this weird longing to be complete sluts and have sex with lots of guys and that isn’t psychologically healthy!’

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  36. I’ve know women who hit the wall in their early 30s. One I didn’t recognize at all (from high school) until my sister told me who she was. In her case, extreme promiscuity and drug use did it.

    By the way, one of my friends recently told me when he was 12 and she was 11, she called him up and told me, “If you come over here I’ll strip for you.” And she did.

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    • I remember going to a high school reunion a few years ago, and being shocked at how all the former HB8/HB9/HB10’s were now fat old repulsive boo-hawg sows.

      There was literally not a single chick in the entire ballroom whom I had any desire to fornicate with whatsoever.

      After that, the next time one of my buddies called me up and tried to talk me into attending another reunion, I was all, “Aw, gosh, well, ah, thanks but no thanks!”

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  37. Fleetwood Mac’s Stevie Nicks regrets not having a baby:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2423353/Fleetwood-Macs-Stevie-Nicks-opens-psychiatrist-blames-ruining-chances-having-family.html

    She blames her male shrink of course: ‘But during those eight years, that was late thirties to 45, who knows what might have happened during those eight years? I might have met someone, I might have even had a baby.

    ‘So I will go to my grave angry at that man [the doctor] for that, because he took eight years of the prime of my life away.’

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  38. My ex is 29 still looks brilliant. That said, I noticed in the last few months the creeping onset of the wall. Given that she’s latina she will age way more gracefully than a white girl. If she’s smart she will use her last few good years to get a decent guy. I let her go before too much of her time got eaten up with me.

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  39. 1000 mG Lysine a day and learn to wash your face in cold water.

    or not. wtf do i care?

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  40. At about 3:59 she suddenly looks happier, though. So maybe that’s something they can hold onto.

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    • At a certain age, sexual drive for women wanes. But they find other things they like. Especially, if they are married and have grandchildren. Maybe that’s why you detected a sense of contentment in her.

      In contrast, men continue to be interested in sex. That’s why we see 70-year old men married to 40-year olds.

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  41. Shit looks like CH got thread got hijacked by renegades from FeministX Blog…But where’s Matthew King???

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    • > “Shit looks like CH got thread got hijacked by renegades from FeministX Blog…”

      Wake up and realize what you’re witnessing here.

      This shit is deeply personal to these chicks.

      The very thought of The Wall sends a terrible chill down their spines.

      So get out there and use that evo-psych insight to YOUR ADVANTAGE.

      Maybe you can snag yourself that HB10 sorority sister from college [the one you never had a prayer to date, back when you were a second-rate fratty bagger] who is now 31yo/32yo/33yo and terrified that she might never reel in in a worthy mate.

      It could be your opportunity to knock her up three or four times and get some quality children out of her.

      Then all your old frat-brothers will be like, “Holy cow, that loser pledge, bhodi1555, went and snagged him some Miss HB10 Homecoming Queen action and then got four children out of her? Wow! Strange new respect right there!”

      If you play your cards right.

      KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

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    • Matthew King is tedious and self-centered. Did I mention repetitive?

      The women talking today are pleasant, except for one, and informative.

      Me, I like information more than tedious and repetitive.

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      • Women care, obsess, about The Wall because it heralds reproductive and sexual irrelevancy. What if you guys discovered your life span ended at 40 years instead of 80? The analogy to physical death is not that extreme.

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      • I have two woman friends who are at present hitting the wall, psychologically at least, one at 37, one at 43. Both have spent the last 15-20 years being a) the most prominent (or one of the) women in the bar, or room; and b) assuming their prince would come. I was briefly that prince for the older one, more frequently for the younger one.

        I have feelings for both, and some sympathy, but not as much as I might have before I discovered CH et al and learned more about how the world works. The reason is that both, in retrospect, have been highly, highly manipulative. As a result, when both have made new pitches to me this year I cannot but assume that their 15-20 years of aggressive hypergamy (“I can do better — look at me I’m getting all the men at this party to chase me — I am so going to get a rich guy to fund my age 30-35 retirement and give me a baby”) and aggressive sexing-up with god knows how many potential men, are more than accidents; they are ingrained habits. This is important if one believes action is character and character is fate. Very few middle-aged people truly change.

        Now, it hasn’t occurred to them that their behavior is not behavior they would have tolerated in me. Had I been aggressively manipulative with them for the time that I’ve known them, they would have cut me off years ago. I would be a “douchebag” or worse. If a woman wants to live on this one-way street and award herself privileges no man can assume without penalty, that’s her, but she gets to own it in the end. Now, for these two, it’s the end.

        The one I wanted to marry told me in the spring, “I could have been married by now and had a child and divorced if I wanted and set for life and you did all that and it’s all terrible waaahhh waaahhh”. When I politely declined to drive to her folks house in July for a lunch, she cut me off dead. She’s totally into time-management and opportunity maximization now. I mean, BAM. When the other one asked a few weeks ago why I wouldn’t meet her in any city of my choice (she’s an airline captain) I referenced a particularly lurid threat she had made against me two years ago. (I spurned a weekend with her; she threatened to tell my ex-wife that I was an unfit father and that I shouldn’t be allowed around my younger son.) And I told her that I didn’t trust her and “good bye”. She texted me three times yesterday. She’s in the extinction burst phase: it’s like watching a crazy person, tired of waiting for the elevator, just start pounding the call button.

        A year ago I wouldn’t have seen this situation for what it was, and been all fired up about being their white knight. Not now. We all own the lives we create.

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  42. Men have biographies, women have grandchildren.

    What that means relevant to this post is that women needn’t fear ageing if they leverage their youth to secure a quality man and start a family. By the time they are past the wall, their grandchildren will give them satisfaction and meaning.

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  43. […] Hat tip to the Chateua for this one. Here we have an amazing video that shows how we age in time lapse using family photos and, no doubt, a prodigious amount of computing power. In this video we see the same individual from childhood to old age in about 4 minutes. […]

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  44. What’s amazing to me is the huge amount of self-delusion that exists in most American women when it comes to this issue. I’ve dated many women in their late 20’s and early 30’s who clearly know they are hitting The Wall, but who still act like men and have a gigantic sense of entitlement, self-importance, and narcissism while living in the land of denial. It’s sad to see, and I don’t understand it much anymore. At a party, I was talking to a woman around 30 or so who was clearly very overweight, and we were chatting about relationships. She said her ideal guy is a tall soccer player, with long blond hair, dresses very stylish, and has ripped abs. She “wasn’t going to settle”, and I just shook my head in bewilderment.

    When Gen X/Y/Millennial women hit their 40’s and are childless, void of family connection, and realize that no one cares anymore about their cool hipster job that allows you to buy SWPL (because they expect you to be a Mom by then, not saving Africa’s water supply) then the depression/anxiety/buying of pets skyrockets. It’s a disastrous cycle that is horrible to watch, and I see it all around me, especially here in the DC Metro area. I’ve met more women in that age group who are drugged out on prescription meds or who self-medicate with alcohol during the weekend “girls night out” than I ever thought possible.

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    • on September 17, 2013 at 12:47 pm The King of Verbal Seduction

      ^^THIS^^

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    • Exactly this!!!!

      Please allow me to expand on the idea that these poor women have been lied to and brainwashed by feminism. Just as I can now spot “shit testing” and women say they can spot outdated/overused PUA lines (like PUA newbies reading from a script), I can now also spot “talking points” from the feminist agenda that have clearly been drilled into Gen X women’s brains their entire lives. They are not only unaware that they should have tried to land a husband by 27, they are *militantly* proud of their status and at the same time downright “bratty” to men. No, I’m not talking about “bratty” shit testing that can be handled. I’m talking about the following big picture issue: the appropriate ages of the participants in a couple.

      Women aged 35 to 42 *aggressively* believe that their appropriate age range for a man is 32 to 42, and they think this while literally berating a 38 year old man who wants a 25 year old woman, as if the latter were not more appropriate *even today* let alone biologically speaking for thousands of years. It has to do with the safe and appropriate age for a woman to have a child. All of these brainwashed women think they can have their first kid at 42 because Madonna did it.

      A 38 year old decent (greater beta) man might want to have kids, and he might want his kids to be as healthy as possible. If he meets a woman who would eventually be the mother of his kids tomorrow, he is not going to (purposely) get her pregnant *tomorrow*. Rather, he has every right to want to date her for 2 years, to make sure she is not crazy and is marriage material, then get married, then have a few years of traveling/fun/good sex inside the marriage prior to the first pregnancy. Okay….so if this 38 year old man meets the woman of his dreams (lol….not possible but just stay with me) tomorrow, if she’s 26 years old, we’re talking her being 30 by the time of the first kid, which is the absolute *latest* a woman should have her first kid as a matter of biological FACT.

      Lily, are you still with me? Do even you not get what I’m getting at? Keep reading. Yet women will literally e-bitch a man out on match.com if the 38 year old man says he wants a 25 year old woman. I would flat out admit that I would rather be married and on my 3rd or 4th kid already, but I got no-fault divorced by a woman who originally told me she wanted 4 kids. I was too beta blah blah blah okay this is not about me (really).

      A good man who has a proven track record as a good father, who is financially able to provide for them, has every right to want more kids. If the man is 38, the appropriate age *for first meeting* for the woman is still 25 at the oldest. We are not talking about anything *close* to “robbing the cradle.” Not talking 13 year age difference where the man is 25 and the woman is 12 lol!!!!!! Women should be looking to get married by 27, meaning they need to meet the husband at 24 or 25. Whether the husband is 28 or 38. Sorry ladies…double standard. Because of *childbirth*.

      I’m talking about the spottable lines that feminism has fed these girls. I met a 33 year old (never married no kids) woman the other day (went well by the way she likes me and keeps texting me and initiated wanting to schedule 2nd date)….but same thing….she has no concept that she should have tried to get married by 27 or 28. 33 is already old ladies!!!! Let alone 35 or 38!!! It is old if you are meeting your future husband NOW….meaning you don’t get married until 35 or 36, meaning pressure is on to get pregnant right away….literally not fair to the husband/father, not even mentioning GBFM’s thing about the fact that the wife has had 90 partners prior to the marriage when she was younger/hotter/tighter.

      In short, today’s lied-to/brainwashed Gen X women literally don’t understand the following incontrovertible FACT: if one has to choose between the two, it is absolutely more appropriate for a 38 year old man to want to date a 25 year old woman than it is for a 38 year old woman to expect to meet a 38 year old man (first meeting) and eventually get married. Or even a 35 year old woman and 35 year old man. Or even 32 and 32. These lied-to women have literally been told *hardcore* that the man and the woman should be the same age, literally, and if the man does not agree it means he is afraid of a “strong woman.”

      lolzlozlzozlzozlzozlozzolzlzozl

      The reason I know these things is, again, match.com, where Gen X women (seemingly proudly) willingly display their brainwashing for all to see.

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      • I just state an age range of 18-121 on Match. It still outrages a few women who send me hate mail, but it seems to work okay for sending a sly “this is what I think of your female age ranges” back out into the ether.

        I think the thing with age ranges and the modern bourgeois spinster, is as important as a leased BMW 3 series to a budding cubicle jockey. It’s the biggest problem for men; it’s a pre-screen, and a tough one, since so many men use bad/old pictures and lie about their age anyway. It’s reason number two I dislike Match. (#1: it should really be called: marriagenow.com.) But these women have pegged their ugogrrrl status to dating men the same age or younger. It’s another of their entitlement issues.

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    • “I’ve met more women in that age group who are drugged out on prescription meds or who self-medicate with alcohol during the weekend “girls night out” than I ever thought possible.”

      Which is why I say, women are very unhappy about their lives. So, as much as some men say happiness is overrated, they have no idea in which the sadness most women are engulfed. The drugs and alcohol are supposed to numb the pain. That’s why it’s becoming an epidemic for women.

      Jobs and career keep them busy so they don’t feel the emotional pain as much. However, when the weekend hits, reality comes home to roost and the pain is unbearable, so they self-medicate and drink. It takes away pain and all traces of reality until Monday morning comes again.

      This is such an important comment. You have no idea how you hit it dead on.

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    • It’s hard for me to contemplate a worse dating environment than DC. I blame all the NGOs and government jobs: fraudulent “social/enviro justice” activities, drawing delusional B- intellects. The difference between walking down the street in DC and doing so in NY or SFO is the difference between shithole ‘stan and Moscow. It’s simply astonishing to me how broadly unattractive and uninteresting women in DC are. (Of course, that is where my company is located.)

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      • So I take it you live somewhere in the country between NYC and DC?

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      • I also won’t tell you how old I am, how tall I am, how much I weigh, how much I make, how many houses I have, and whether it’s true I like nothing better than landing an airplane. Unless the “airplane” is metaphorical. I dearly love landing metaphorical airplanes.

        I will say that I appreciate your commentary on my anecdotes, because they make me smarter.

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      • Excuse me BuenaVista, I didn’t really ask you anything personal. Sorry, if you thought I was prying. After all, I am the queen of discreet, so I respect other’s privacy too.

        @ Rogue Male
        If I ask, he’ll say I am snooping. You ask him for me 😉
        No, no…….don’t ask him anything; I was just kidding, of course.

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      • See, I can’t neg. Comes out as aggression.

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      • But he *will* tell you how big his dick is. Go on, ask him. You’ll see.

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      • A wise guy. Go get your shoe box … whoops, wrong insult.

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    • Anonymous said: “She “wasn’t going to settle”, and I just shook my head in bewilderment.”

      I recommend that from now on you rather nod in agreement and incite her “You go girl!” That’s what I do. There is no point in trying to make a woman in denial understand.

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  45. Women recognize this. I.e. when they talk about female celebrities/models and make comments like someone below mentioned “she looks good for her age”.

    Then cognitive dissonance engages when the concept comes up in other subjects like dating or their own behavior.

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  46. God, this is so disconcerting… I turn 26 in March and have been stressing out a little bit in regards to aging. People (especially females) think i’m crazy for doing everything I possibly can to stay as youthful as possible. My SMV is 50 (40 because Heartiste will automatically deduct..) but you always have this creeping feeling that the older you get, because there is always a younger, fitter, more beautiful woman right behind you.

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    • And Ashley, every intelligent man knows that another man has more money, a hotter wife, and a bigger plane — but he’s doing his best because that is all that there is. It’s a two-way street of pain.

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      • Do men stress out that much over it though? They don’t technically have an expiry date when it comes to improving themselves and their social status. We on the other hand have a time-frame to “do the best we can”. Men can technically keep improving themselves or even start a new life in their 50s+ provided they are in good health.

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      • Men stress about it and need to learn to transcend it.

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      • Men and women peak in their value at different times — true. Men your age who are not exceptional are less interesting to women as a result — true. Men who marry and get dumped because of hypergamy lose their money, children, and homes — true.

        So yes, men stress out about all of this stuff, and just like a woman who thinks the party will never end, until it does, a man who invests 20 years in his family will never get the time back. Never. No one starts over fresh with the innocence of youth.

        Second marriages are unlikely to succeed, and if they do, they are usually so riven with compromises (and fear of another failure) that most are very unappealing arrangements (from a romantic standpoint). The best thing for young woman to do is accept the different SMV curves for men and women and make hay while the sun is still shining. Anyone who advises otherwise is essentially saying s/he has control over the weather.

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      • Yes, I guess it’s all about using what you have or atleast improving yourself while you still can. We are all self-promoting ourselves for something…

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      • You are correct about men’s longer shelf life, but men don’t realize this while they are still naive and their hormones are raging. The wisdom you’ve mentioned settles in later in a man’s life. Also, a man needs a woman’s support more when he’s young and he still needs to prove himself and alongside shape his character. That’s why it is easier for a woman to snag a high value man when he’s young. Once she has had him, she can work at building attachment so he won’t leave later because he will love her for her personality and the life they will have built together.

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  47. I was out last night and I was teasing women by having them guess my age. I just turned 32, and the women were all guessing I was in my mid to late 20s. My (hot, nice) lesbian friend, who is 22, guessed 25 and ran with it without giving me a chance to correct her, and she was actually reassuring one half-black girl that I was 25 because she was reticent that I was, I suppose, some perv in my 30s.

    This is where it’s at, folks. Equalist feminism has brainwashed women into thinking the men have to be their age. Even my parents were mystified once when I was dating younger women, because they had the same attitude, that I should be dating women who are about 30. But the women my age are all married, with kids, or even divorced, getting fat, aging, and have had at least one long-term boyfriend. Not to mention, they’re cynical and just flat-out hard. One example: I tried asking a woman in her early 30s, who is already running into the wall, to put her number in my phone. It works all the time for women in their early 20s. But this woman was incredulous, and asked me if that move actually worked!

    Meanwhile, due to it having taken me forever to figure out what I want to do in life due to circumstances beyond my control, I’m just beginning to realize my full potential. Plus, I have a full thick head of hair with no trace of balding. In my own case, it would not just be wrong for me to date women my age, it would be insane. I think of myself at 40, doing well, with a post-Wall wife aged 38, having women in their 20s still flirting with me. I mean, think of David and Holly Petraeus with Paula Broadwell.

    As soon as I finish my degree, I intend to leave to a country where such weird ageist equalism doesn’t exist.

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    • ” It works all the time for women in their early 20s. But this woman was incredulous, and asked me if that move actually worked!”

      ” On hot women it does.” then eye her up and down ” Oh, my mistake.”
      Then show her your back as you walk away.

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      • I actually did say with a shrug, “Most of the time,” then with a grin, “Yeah, I suppose you’re a bit older than what I normally go for,” and she replied, “what’s that supposed to mean?” but it ended up all right since we’ve known each other for years.

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    • I am also underestimated for age — usually by 10-12 years. (I’m a lot older, so it’s not a big deal, I’m not bragging.) It would be incredibly easy for me to lie if online.

      My response is to study day game. When you talk to someone at the airport, her first question isn’t “So, how old are you really, creepy motherfucker?”

      I got approached by a woman so young, in East Lansing in July, at 6 in the morning no less, for a flight to NYC, that my parental instincts kicked in!!!!! I thought I should protect her from me, or something. I don’t know, it was early, I was married a long time, it took me a good 30 seconds to understand she was hitting on me. Women are insane. They have no idea what they want. Or rather, listening to them tell you what they want and doing it? Might as well eat a bullet. Trust me. I spent many many years doing what a woman said she wanted me to do. Bad move.

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    • Read through the Heartiste archives, and also through the Routines Manual, for some good comebacks, when girls discuss age.

      Examples:
      “This would never work. You’re a little young for me.”
      “You’re pretty mature for your age.”
      etc.

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    • “Equalist feminism has brainwashed women into thinking the men have to be their age. Even my parents were mystified once when I was dating younger women, because they had the same attitude, that I should be dating women who are about 30.”

      About 15 or so years ago, when I was around 35, an old distant uncle, with my mother present, tried to fix me up with his 20 and 21 year-old granddaughters, and my mother shooed him away.

      My current girlfriend is 22 and looks like she’s in middle school, and I have brought her to two family gatherings already. Hang in there.

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  48. […] The Wall does not affect men like it does women, for men have, unlike women, the advantage of possessing or acquiring compensatory attributes and achievements that can radically delay The Wall’s merciless tribute. For this reason, when we refer …read more […]

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  49. as long as there are men unaware of their growing power of attraction the wall won’t hit that hard.
    I see friends in my age (early 30’s) dating and hanging out with girls around their age (mostly bitter and used up) while I came from a refreshing date with a 18 y.o showing her admiration and positiveness about life

    To each their own

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  50. “The Wall means nothing less than the total annihilation of their ability to win the love and commitment of the men they truly desire.”

    Isn’t that the real problem? They hit the wall cause the men they desire are not the men they deserve or they “can afford”. Hypergamy is killing women’s love life (note: not sex life though).

    Years ago when the role models were firmly established a woman should look for a provider who met basic requirements. Nowadays because women have their basic need at hand by themselves a great majority of them are into finding Wonderland and being haaaaappy (because of someone else)

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  51. On a commenting spree here.

    Some days ago I was riding a train back home. I had seen a girl at the station which looked gorgeous from behind. I happened to sit in front of her and her girl friend and she showed clear signs of being close to the wall (her beauty in my eyes dropped a lot and not for beauty in itself but for youth’s sake). I place her in the lower side of 30’s

    She started talking to her friend about the great decision of not having babies by following her mother’s rule to “not have babys if you are under 25”.

    She then said: “Luckily I didn’t and now that I am divorced it’s better so. I come home, make myself a sandwich with Nutella, sit in the sofa, watch the movies I like. Think if I had to be taking care of a baby, always spending my time on him. uhhh no. I want to do what I want”

    I listened to that with a bit of astonishment.

    She proceeded to tell her friend this: “my mom was crying when I told her over the phone that I was getting a divorce. I told her: Mom, here in Europe it’s not like there in South America. A divorce doesn’t mean it’s a failure. It’s just another experience in life”

    I couldn’t help but smile. Was going to tell her: “so you are an architect and design and build a house, it collapses and luckily nobody got injured or not badly injured. Would you call it a failure? Would you start building another one or would you check what happened?”

    But hey, hamster sitting by her side had the answer: “yeah, you are right. It doesn’t mean it’s a failure, just another experience in life”

    What can you do against that? Let them hamsterize and justify their way to the wall and smash their heads against it later

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  52. Amazing, is it not, that we waste lives and literally trillions of dollars chasing non-problems, creating new problems, and seeking distractions to waste our days. But there is no serious treatment of aging as the disease it is, nor attempts to cure it, even though we have within our grasp the genetic tools to change everything.

    Maybe humanity deserves its fate.

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    • People are dumping loads of money into finding ways to slow or prevent aging. Give it time.

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      • Very true. Do a search on youtube , Dr. Aubrey de Grey, a British scientist, and listen to his lectures (filter to videos over 20 minutes). He’s the authority right now on the science to stop aging. He is conducting various research to stop aging at the cellular level. He says he believes eventually people could live hundreds of years, maybe more. Think of all the pussy you guys could bed in 1,000 years. Sounds tantalizing, doesn’t it? LOL.

        This is a website dedicated to his research
        http://www.sens.org/research/aging-as-weve-known-it
        However, the Youtube videos are the most informative for those that are interested in this subject. It’s just amazing how fast modern medicine and science are progressing.

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  53. This aging feminist thinks feminists are facing blowback and consequences for their beliefs. I say GOOD! http://www.salon.com/2013/09/17/was_a_feminist_writer_threatened_off_a_debate/

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  54. Maybe this is why women don’t live for sex like guys do. Maybe this is why women live longer than men, because we actually have something to live for besides sex. It’s kind of our reward for putting up with the shit men put us through. You have to admit. Your view of the man/woman dynamic makes men seem like jackasses. We get to see the fruits of our labor. The kids being adults and having grandkids, maybe seeing grandkids have kids. We get to travel and live for ourselves for a while. Men die at about the time that they can’t get erect anymore. Even Viagra isn’t a 100% fix. When the drive to do it isn’t there, they don’t take the Viagra. Men are also inclined to do more stupid things to try to impress a mate, especially the self-proclaimed “alphas”. Doesn’t seem like the better sex of the two to me. I think that men and women are equally stupid. And just like anything, some individuals are dumber than others.

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    • We get to travel and live for ourselves for a while. Men die at about the time that they can’t get erect anymore.

      You get to do that because men, collectively, pay for it. If we didn’t we’d just put you on an iceflow once your husband died and you were too feeble to care for grandchildren.

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      • 10 + bonus points for the “ice flow ” reference. Good parley sir, good indeed.

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      • Her hamster runs with the fury of Cheetahs today.

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      • Actually, considering that I raised my kids, I would imagine that they might feel some moral obligation to take care of me, and I still have use. Seeing my grandchildren means giving mom a much needed break. So, I could still live well past my sexual usefulness. You assume that women only serve one purpose.

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      • Annie, the caveat is that you did raise your kids. The Wall is a problem for women who wait to mate until their attraction takes a nose dive.

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      • And, who says that I would be interested in anyone near death? I would imagine that the drive that attracts me to men, now, to reproduce declines or disappears at that age. I don’t know for sure, as I’m not anywhere near that age. Kind of wondering what makes men think that they’re all women live for. Like carrying one or more lives for nine months isn’t more of an accomplishment for us. I love my husband, but if he died, I’m certain that I wouldn’t date or remarry. I’ve fulfilled my purpose. For the women who don’t have babies. Maybe they have a different purpose.

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    • You lost me with your first straw man: “…because we actually have something to live for besides sex.” You’re not very smart if you think men live only for sex.

      The reason men are here is that their desire for a good woman all their days is unlikely, and for many of the political talking points that you just shared with us.

      Just be quiet and go learn to be good at something. You’re not good at argument, logic, writing, or charm. After you’re good at something, perhaps some nice beta provider male will drop into your life. Suggestion: ignore the above talking points if you fall in love with a good guy. If he’s a wuss it won’t matter.

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      • Hey douche, I have a husband, or did you miss that? He actually makes a good amount of cash. He watches the kids once or twice a week so thay I can see a movie. He helps with chores because he *gasps* loves me. He’s seen me at my worst, and best, and although he could easily have better options stays with me, and doesn’t cheat, why? Because cliche or not, I make him a better person. We have something besides physical attraction… good conversation and common interests. He doesn’t mind that I put the kids first, why? Because they are without a doubt his, and it is best for him if they are most important to me. After he dies, he lives through them. He’s an alpha in a woman’s terms because he takes care of my children and I and isn’t leaving. Might help that he’s 15 years my senior. And some guys would probably say, “Oh, he cheats on her, she is just too dumb to know.”. Guys, we know when you cheat. You are not good at being subtle. Lipstick on the collar, checking your phone for texts, leaving at odd times, smelling of perfume, having glitter on you, suddenly wanting to look nice, etc… plus I know all of his accounts and can hack them at the drop of a hat… Even IF he did cheat, which is unlikely, I don’t care. It would hurt a little, but I know for certain that he’s not the type to abandon my kids and I. Funny that guys on here assume that you’re alphas. I think that that is more for women to decide whether you’re alpha or not, unless you’re gay. Then other men can comment. Most of this website in particular states what men want in a woman. Basically, that most of your interest lies in her physical attractiveness, in other words, her sexual attractiveness. You guys are the ones who say that sex is most important to you, not me. If you read my comment above, you would see that I have kids. I have zero desire to be with anyone else in my lifetime. When my husband dies, that is it. Why? Because I feel that I’ve served my purpose. I accept it. When you live double your single lifetime putting your needs on the back burner, serving your husband and kids, a well-deserved selfish respite at the end sounds nice. Will I miss my husband? Hell yeah. I’m not cold and unfeeling. My world just won’t end. I was just telling the other guy that there is more for women to live for than men. You guys say we feel entitled, yet you feel entitled to have a hot young woman for life and that you deserve sex just because you exist. You assume that you don’t have to put anything into a relationship. Sorry, doesn’t work that way. Even in nature it doesn’t work that way. In nature betas go without sex because females share alphas. If you don’t want an icy wife, or an attractive wife that fucks around without telling you, leaving you to raise kids that might not be yours, maybe you should put in time with the kids, cook when she’s sick, and help with chores. Nowhere does it say what men should do to deserve worship. Making money means jack shit if the woman does the lions’s share of physical labor with no help from the husband. Why do you think that so many rich guys have the WIVES starting a divorce proceeding? Because money couldn’t make them happy when the husband wham bam thank you ma’ams, and leaves her with most of the responsibility. You guys think that we should worship you because you have a dick. I was pointing out in my earlier post that I think that the hormones responsible for giving me that drive to reproduce, ie sexual attraction towards men declines as I age. The same for whatever gives me the will to live. It’s natural. By then, I probably won’t be worried about what men think or being in the dating pool. So, how could men “ice flow” me if I don’t give a rat’s ass what they think? I don’t think that men are evil for their biological urges. You seem to assume that I think that way judging by your icy, condescending tone in your reply. Just because you have such a tiny, unintelligent mind that you can’t understand what I write doesn’t mean that it’s illogical. You expecting women to be meek and to shut up proves how feeble your mind is, because you have no logical reason to believe the way that you do. At least my beliefs come from a logical place.

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      • You lost me with “Hey douche…”

        Also, paragraphs? I believe they were invented in the 8th century or thereabouts.

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      • Buena, you have ADD. If you can’t get past the first phrase, then maybe you should be checked, especially if it involves looking at a shiny object. You should know, that online writing differs from the standard writing. When writing a comment, I don’t have to subscribe to standard writing. At least my spelling and grammar were decent. If you were as intelligent as you think that you are, you could figure out what I mean.

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      • Now listen up, bitch . . . oh, hey. Look who just stopped listening to anything I might have had to say after that. Go figure.

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      • Buena started the shit. If he couldn’t take it, he shouldn’t dish it out. If you guys started acting like men instead of Neanderthals you might have beta women by now, sexing them up instead of complaining how you can’t get quality women. Didn’t comment earlier because I have a life.

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      • “I don’t have to subscribe to standard writing”

        You sure don’t lol

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      • If you guys started acting like men instead of Neanderthals you might have beta women by now,

        Nice Freudian. We all know that already.

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      • Shaming, shaming, shaming, ho hum, more shaming. OK, I kind of lost interest too.

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      • Classic case of Grade A hamstering. TL;DR.

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    • And Annie wins the Subway Masturbator’s “Even _I_ Wouldn’t Marry Her” award. Can’t have a shrill, narcissistic bitch nagging me on the L train with all my commuter fans watching. Bad for the reputation.

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    • Maybe this is why women don’t live for sex like guys do. Maybe this is why women live longer than men, because we actually have something to live for besides sex. It’s kind of our reward for putting up with the shit men put us through. You have to admit. Your view of the man/woman dynamic makes men seem like jackasses. We get to see the fruits of our labor. The kids being adults and having grandkids, maybe seeing grandkids have kids. We get to travel and live for ourselves for a while. Men die at about the time that they can’t get erect anymore.

      In other words, if you don’t have kids and grandkids, you spend half your life being useless dead weight on society.

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    • The only problem with this is they actually don’t otherwise the population of the frontier would not be populated with men. It is a myth that men live for sex. They only do so contextually. When there are plenty of nubiles around surely it seems they do. However when they are not men are the least reproductively programmed. The human race could spare a few good men, not being the reproductive bottle neck. Women certainly can be said to be less dependent on the sexual act itself, but the reproductive burden and slavish obsession to see it through is apparent. You spilled the beans with your reward being a complete act of reproduction.

      “We get to see the fruits of our labor. The kids being adults and having grandkids, maybe seeing grandkids have kids.”

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  55. Just give us a few trillion more and you’ll be safe, we swear!*

    * However we can’t secure the borders, because racism

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/09/dc_mayor_blames_sequester_for_navy_yard_shooting.html

    ‘Washington Mayor Vincent Gray said the Navy Yard shooter may have gained access to the base because of the sequester.

    In an interview with CNN, Gray speculated that the automatic budget cuts might have cut into security funds that would have prevented the alleged shooter from gaining access.

    “It’s hard to know,” Gray in an interview on CNN. “We’ll continue in this investigation. But certainly as I look at, for example, sequestration, which is about saving money in the federal government being spent. We somehow skimped on what would be available for projects like this, and then we put people at risk.”‘

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  56. Non-whites creep me out.

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  57. on September 17, 2013 at 7:00 pm Flashing Lights

    Anyone notice that the music was synced up to when she hit the wall? When her looks went from an expanding, brightening, tightening of the features the music was building and then… then… then…. crashed as the features changed to a shrinking, shadowing, and wrinkling of the features.

    That seems like a good indicator- as the days go by, are her features becoming brighter, sharper, and crisper? She’s still got room to grow.

    As the days go by, are her features sagging, drooping, darkening, softening? Past the wall.

    I don’t think women are “on the fence” for very long.

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  58. on September 17, 2013 at 7:04 pm Operation Reinhard

    The 1999 film American Pie, which popularized the term “MILF” was written by zhid Adam Herz and directed by the zhid Weitz brothers.

    Only disgusting, Western Civilization-melting zhids would promote the idea of thinking about mothers in this way. Part of the program of course.

    Anyway, it serves another purpose in brainwashing the youth into thinking infertile crones = attractive. When in fact they should be ignored sexually and instead focus should be turned to finding a young woman with whom to propagate the species.

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    • I raise your American Pie with a Fargo. One of my offspring is named Joachim … but this “pay attention to frontrunners displayed on this courtain, not to their masters behind it” is bullshit. And of course tribe members’ alpha attitude/approach towards socioeconomic and intellectual pursuits is irritating to the beta-omega masses resigned to their fate on the totem pole. “Why don’t these khazar spawn abide?!??”

      Yes, tribe frontrunners pervade every aspect of the society, particularly jarring when they get involved with the propaganda aparatus, but personally I drew great spiritual benefit from one tribe member that converted. No tribe, no Christianity, and that alone makes tribal sycophancy to the powers-that-be only a minor inconvenience.

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  59. This is only depressing if you assume the purpose of all of life is to be attractive to the opposite sex. Once that goal has been achieved and they have reproduced, people have other concerns, like the success of their existing offspring. The older woman looks serene and peaceful–she’s probably a grandma. Who cares if she doesn’t get catcalls on the street–she’s got four grandkids who will live on after her. This is the benefit of a conservative life–there’s life after 30. Seven ages of man, and so on. Our fathers knew this. I don’t blame the Dark Lord for going poolside in our degenerate age, but the Christian conservatives have an alternative I think is valid over the long run.

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  60. Hate to rain on the parade, but on further review this is an artistic compilation of several members of a family photographed at a reunion and morphed with extensive editing. The rate of the onset of old age could be exacerbated by the limited number of older females in photographic series. So scientifically this artistic work should not be relied on to draw any conclusions about this essentially fictionalized individual.

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  61. What an ugly girl.

    Is it possible to have been born up against the Wall?!

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  62. OK. I get it. None of us will ever get out of here alive. A lucky few will get a decent burial; the rest will become Coyote shit. Selah.
    On the other hand, I have spent a lot of quality time with a mid 40s woman with VERY high Neanderthal genetic inheritance who has continuously found effective ways to keep my interest up. It does not hurt that she is a VP for Finance in a well known shop and can more or less solve all of her Husband Problems on her own.
    Hypergamy in action = Die without regrets.

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  63. Yes we can all enjoy the schadenfreude aspect of this, however research is underway to understand and combat the aging process, within two or three decades the human body may be subject to rejuvenation.

    The entire female adult population will in the future hence all look like young adults. This will be good for all of us – it will vastly increase the supply of hotties with firm skin, it will remove the premium of youth. They’ll all compete equally whatever the chronological age. Attraction – it’s all about firm female skin, everything else is secondary.

    Off course this is far enough in the future so that I – an early 20s omega – will still have time to see the complete decay off the females my cohort. Yes, I’m evil and bitter. Not really a nice guy – I admit it.

    But f*ck this let’s be serious they all go down hill long before some 35 years of age. Hell between say 19 and 25 I’d say they loose half their beauty capital.

    There was this stunning beautiful girl five years ago, I was 18 she was 20, we went to the same school. I tried to make moves, awkward, she rejected me. Between 18 and 23, I grew an inch, from 6’0″ to 6’1″, learned to dress, quit my nerdy hobbies, moved out of the basement and into my own studio apartment, got a job. Passed her on the street the other day, she lost that youthful glow she had back then when I first laid eyes on her (not gonna lie, I was high on schadenfreude at this moment, remembering the sting of rejection five years prior).

    Will she be rejuvenated one day? Meanwhile she has two younger sisters. One of them have checked me out several times. It won’t lead anywhere, I’m still an omega and kind of aspie and I can’t initiate anything, but it’s still flattering.

    Me – will I too not get ugly in this time? Well, it’s never the same. My boyish looks will fade with every year, yes, but in return I get more distinguished. It’s not a net loss. At least not until 35 years of age, probably not until 40 even.

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    • “I get more distinguished. It’s not a net loss. At least not until 35 years of age, probably not until 40 even.”

      Try 77: http://tinyurl.com/khoakxt

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    • Will she be rejuvenated one day? Meanwhile she has two younger sisters. One of them have checked me out several times. It won’t lead anywhere, I’m still an omega and kind of aspie and I can’t initiate anything, but it’s still flattering.

      Dude, you sure do write awfully well for a sperg.

      You might do well to consider the possibility that spergtardism is just a state of mind – that you really do have the freedom of the will to grow up to be whoever you want to be.

      PS: Don’t live your life carrying any grudges against the HB10s who dissed you in your childhood.

      Carrying grudges is feminazi behavior.

      A substantial part of growing up and becoming a real man is in experiencing the unfolding epiphany which consists of realizing that 99.9% of the horseshit which life throws at you is, at the end of the day, just so much water under the bridge.

      Magnanimity [or something very similar] lies at the heart of nobility.

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      • PS: Don’t live your life carrying any grudges against the HB10s who dissed you in your childhood.

        Carrying grudges is feminazi behavior.

        A substantial part of growing up and becoming a real man is in experiencing the unfolding epiphany which consists of realizing that 99.9% of the horseshit which life throws at you is, at the end of the day, just so much water under the bridge.

        Magnanimity [or something very similar] lies at the heart of nobility.

        Nobility is not minding churlish treatment from that sort of people because they don’t know better and just can’t help themselves. Perhaps you can vaguely pity them and their coarseness. (Of course, in another age, nobility is sending a couple of your servants to horsewhip the curs for not knowing their place.)

        For the middle class, though, carrying petty grudges is usually a waste of time, but just quietly forgiving and forgetting is being a chump. It’s a balancing act. Don’t get carried away, just remember at a minimum that they’re kind of shitty and not your friends. So they don’t get the friend treatment.

        If they at a later time want back in the fold, make forgiveness a bit of a public ceremony, like (at a party, with some onlookers) “I can’t understand why you were being so insulting with me back then, but I’m not one to hold a grudge. C’mere, let’s hug it out!” That’s magnanimity.

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      • My view is that “cruel once, cruel again.” As men we tend to fall for immediate charms. I struggle to remember that women are usually much more adept at cruelty than any man, and it is present, in some fashion, at any time with any woman. So a Christian posture of forgiveness is fine, perhaps, but a social wariness is warranted if someone has delivered the cruelty in the past.

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  64. It ends a conversation pretty quickly when I point out to lefty female acquaintances that Mrs. Romney have about 20 grandchildren, all of whom will no doubt vote one day, and ask them how many grandchildren they see in their future.

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  65. By merely repositioning the cursor one can jump form image to image, and really it is quite shocking how she seems to literally hit a wall. At 2.30 it is still there; at 2.45 it’s going, it’s has gone by 3.00 and affirmatively gone forever at 3.15.

    Can anyone say what ages she would be at those four points? As she is Asian I find it difficult to tell, how old she is.

    Another interesting tests for all those paedo-phobes is to determine when she becomes sexually attractive – again it is a quick but gradual process. At 0.45 she is a child, at 1.00 she is almost there, at 1.15 she is no longer a child and by 1.30 definitely a woman. Some ages again would be of great interest. Probably at here hottest at 1.45 or do some prefer at 2.00?

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    • Speaking as a Northwesterner, the emphasis being on “crap”. Although their shitlibbery is also a great reason not to buy their products.

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  66. In a more traditional society women have no problem moving into this sexless role at 40 or 50 because they have other ways of relating to husbands and extended family by this time. Divorce is so common here it is hard see it America much anymore. But the older (sexless) woman’s role is to keep track of (be the keeper of) extended family relations and to help out with them. To find marriage partners for the younger generations, to advise the younger generations and very importantly to pass on domestic skills to the girls and all females. To start the girls early by showing 10 year old girls how to cook and sew, take care of younger children such as wipe their asses & change diapers, clean house, wash clothes and more. Think what a family matriarch means and the respect she gets giving her a happiness beyond sex at her age. Women can be geniuses (rocket scientists) in this, their proper domain

    Today all this female domestic activity is semi-denigrated as for female idiots who don’t have the IQ or testosterone to become lawyers I suppose. But society was better off the older way

    How many young guys here know women with any serious domestic skills? Being a great cook or knowing how to sew clothing together? Cleaning house is important but too easily learned. How to enjoy and love taking care of babies and three year olds on up. This is where the older woman fits in to pass on domestic knowledge and derive status and happiness from it. This still goes on in America but more so in poorer nations

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    • On cleaning: except at my place in rural Iowa, where the tradition endures, I have to train my housekeepers. And they’re the professionals! I’d say 90% of the women I date think it’s a big deal to keep their house clean, and many resent their inferred obligation to clean up a bit before entertaining. (As a result, and given that it’s a badge of honor for most not to clean, most of the at-home entertaining is done at my place.) Don’t get me started on their goddamned dogs, and my refusal to get into any bed a dog is sleeping on when I’m not there.

      When it’s time for spring and fall cleaning, on the east coast, I dispense with even the housekeepers and hire a couple of landscapers or handymen for the day, and direct them through the process. That’s one motherfucker of a clean house, when we’re done. (Twice a year I use an industrial aircraft cleaner on every hardwood or tile floor. It’s the same stuff an airline uses to clean the exterior of a 737.)

      Sewing? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Women are so stupid, if they are seeking a man yet won’t invite him over for a quiet dinner. All they’re saying is that they want a life with a man, provided he takes them out to dinner each night, or becomes the maid/cook/gardener in between his 14 hour days funding her lifestyle.

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    • “How to enjoy and love taking care of babies and three year olds on up.”

      This is an interesting comment and something I’ve been reflecting on when it comes to most American women. Feminism and the previous generation have convinced young American women that falling in love, raising a family, and working hard at keeping a relationship together will not create as much happiness as a career or work. For the few cognitive elite, this may be true, but most women are passing up the chance to keep their mental health in check by focusing solely on their career and grrrls nights out rather than building a legacy and a family with a man, which will drastically affect their health and well-being in the future. Who is going to take care of an aged woman when she needs a hip replacement? She may cry out to society “I gave you my best years, I had an awesome career as a VP for Citibank, take care of me!” and no one will answer back, except the long-term care insurance guy she calls on the phone for help.

      I believe that when the current generation of career women get to menopause and haven’t had a child, or are not involved in at least a long-term relationship with someone, they are going to go into a blitzkrieg of depression and anxiety as they realize that now society expects them to be the matriarch, rather than care about how hot they look or the amazing career they have. And then they are going to feel massively rejected by the same society that told them to ignore men in the first place. The “there will always be time for a man later” mentality will crush them overnight, as they realize that most men aren’t interested, anymore. The pharmaceutical industry will have a heyday creating Kolonpin margaritas and Prozac cocktails for all the cat lovers. Invest in Pfizer!

      Reality is a harsh mistress, and selling women that men are to be ignored and spat upon will come back to haunt. What goes around comes around. Facts are facts.

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  67. “Who is going to take care of an aged woman when she needs a hip replacement? She may cry out to society “I gave you my best years, I had an awesome career as a VP for Citibank, take care of me!” and no one will answer back, except the long-term care insurance guy she calls on the phone for help.”

    And that may friend is the point !! No one will take care of them…….

    Off to the voluntary euthanasia center !! OR Off to involuntary euthanasia as

    ordered by the ObamaCare death panel !!!

    in the mean time, give back all the money she earnerd over her “career” back to big pharma for SOMA to get through the day until she quits life or dies.

    Eugenics – Population Control.

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  68. Solid use of pulchritude, great way to say “boner inspiring” while also sounding eriudite

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  69. And for the haters, the denialists, the feminists and the man-boobs that say the wall hits men, cue to that photo of a flabby Jack Nicholson sitting on a boat surrounded by young nubile girls.

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  70. “Once an opponent, physicist Stephen Hawking now supports assisted suicide for terminally ill” GET THE HINT LADIES!!

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  71. “And for the haters, the denialists, the feminists and the man-boobs that say the wall hits men, cue to that photo of a flabby Jack Nicholson sitting on a boat surrounded by young nubile girls.”

    Dude, he has gobs of money. That is the great equalizer. For the common schlubs out there in the 40’s/50’s/60’s, they have no chance with the nimble and nubile.

    So your reference falls on deaf ears.

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  72. “I believe that when the current generation of career women get to menopause and haven’t had a child, or are not involved in at least a long-term relationship with someone, they are going to go into a blitzkrieg of depression and anxiety as they realize that now society expects them to be the matriarch, rather than care about how hot they look or the amazing career they have. And then they are going to feel massively rejected by the same society that told them to ignore men in the first place.”

    Doubtful. They are so full of themselves they will go to the bitter end believing they can still land the big one. Regardless, it is a matter of personal choice to marry and have kids, not a duty. Good luck going back to the “glory hole days”.

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  73. Jochem Pieper wrote: “Where did Jesus find new Christians? You have to preach where the need is greatest.”

    The need is greatest among people who think hookers should go to jail, because Christ sure didn’t, so you should [also] be talking to people like the Family Research Council.

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