Paying For Sex

Reader “Veterans Abroad” emailed:

The last bastion of feminist influence on the PUA community is the shaming conducted on men who would, now and then, pay an 18 year old freshman to lift her shirt.

For the love of all things unholy, you’ve got to start heavily slamming the metrosexuals who have a problem with that on your blog.

Its completely troll behavior and you know its mostly anonymous feminist lurkers with the addition of “males” not actually practicing game (or bitter about not having any money).

Evil Alpha recently said it right that its about keeping the price way down. Getting a 10 to strip for $5 is more alphathan getting her to strip for $20 and getting her to strip for free is most alpha of all, but not getting her to strip at all and never seeing her again is Gamma.

Here is an oldie but goodie Chateau post about paying for sex. It documents the lives of two very different men who ponied up hard cash for special services rendered.

To the reader, the long and short of it is:

If you pay for sex or sexual enticement (i.e., strippers and lap dances) because you can’t get any loving from women free of charge, you are a beta (or, more precisely, an omega).

If you pay for sex or sexual enticement even though you don’t have to, and because it’s a fun thing to do, you are *not necessarily* a beta or omega. In this case, your solicitation is value neutral.

The man who has a cute girlfriend but lives it up at his buddy’s bachelor party by throwing $20s at a hot stripper is not a sexual loser.

The man who has never had a girlfriend or dates only fatties and washed-up cougars, but pays strippers or whores to deliver him from his dreary, pleasureless existence, is a sexual loser.

There’s nothing more to be said on this matter.





Comments


  1. on November 3, 2010 at 1:04 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozozozlzolzl

    gbfm don’t do hookers nor prosititues but only sorrositutes lzozozozlzozozozoozzolzl

    but i have to say this for pimps over ministers

    you pay da pimp and you get da sex and den you don’t haveta pay the pimp no more

    but a minister marry ya to da bieatch and she bang the pool boy and biker and mba bosss and you gotta pay pay pay even do her pussy is getting puonunded elsewhere as that is the neocon fiat holy matrimony lzozozozlzolo

    and den after she leaves with her pussys pussy lzozozozoz you gotta keep right on payin da pussy pussy lzozozozoozzozo payin for past use of a pussy zlzozozozll

    pimps don’t make you do that

    only the minister/neoconned fiat minsiter desouled christianity butthexed shurch lzozlzlozoo as ebernke and his boyz tucker masx rhyjes iwth goldman sax gets a cut of all da fivorce alimonies child supprosts zlzozoz

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  2. One of the reasons why I never considered paying, even in stages of greater beta.

    The best chicks you don’t pay for with cash.

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  3. General reluctance of men to pay for sex, and miserable feeling after they do (despite claims they’re ‘paying the women to leave’) is why sexbots will never replace real life women and be consigned to more expensive, more elaborate masturbation tool.

    People here underestimate the human need for VALIDATION. It’s why men go through the hassle of learning game rather than just bi-weekly visits to hookers.

    It is a fundamental need of humans, male and female, to be desired by other humans of their own free will. Sexbots will never provide that. The knowledge that you have ‘won’ a person over, turned their heart towards you is more important than you realize.

    Sexbots=upgraded fleshlights, not replacement of female of the species.

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  4. That email sounds like it was from Jerry.

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  5. If I were to go to a strip club I would bring money to tip the dancers. They are working and that is what you are expected to do. If you don’t want to spend money, stay home.

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  6. If you pay for sex or sexual enticement even though you don’t have to, and because it’s a fun thing to do, you are *not necessarily* a beta or omega. In this case, your solicitation is value neutral.

    how about
    if i have to pay
    to move to a different country
    to rack up notch counts

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  7. I feel like this whole post is bit beta:

    You are too concerned with how others perceive you, this is a youth thing.

    Very high status men have limited time, and even less patience. I want to fuck 18 year old girls, but I don’t want to talk to them, spend time with them, and I don’t take them seriously as prospects for any kind of relationship.

    When I was in grad school I fucked lots of 18 yo undergrads, I am too nice to treat them badly, but spending more than an hour with someone who is 5 years out of watching saturday morning cartoons is too taxing.

    Now that I have lots of money, I want to use it to get laid. I also think its nicer than leading on a young girl who doesn’t know what’s what.

    [Editor: If you can bed women without paying for it, but like to pay for some hassle-free snatch on the side, then you would fall into one of the categories I outlined in my post. Read the post more carefully.]

    Again, your problem is you have low self esteem.

    [Is the sky purple in your world, too? Men who like to bed women who *want* to be with them don’t suffer from low self-esteem. They suffer from testosterone.]

    You get a nice ego boost from getting some chick to sleep with you willingly.

    [Or maybe men just like the pleasure from sex with a babe who loves them.]

    When you actually have confience and have slept with enough random girls, you might consider paying for it.

    [Or I might consider not paying for it and getting it for free from willing women.]

    Again I’m older, and richer than you, its a different things.

    [Like I said, if you want some hassle-free pussy on the side, and you can get women with your game for free, you are probably not a beta. So why are you lashing out at the message in this post like a stuck pig?]

    Plenty of hot 28 yo women want to date me, because they hear their clocks ticking and want to hitch their wagon to my rolls royce. That is my default, but that can be a pain in the ass, if I want to get laid I don’t go to a bar, I go online pick out who I want to fuck, and have them come to my house. Trust me nothing beta about that!

    [If you’re paying them for sex that you can’t get from women for free, you are beta.]

    Your ego, needs to validation of your game from random girls.

    [Nah. My dick needs the validation of feeling good against the walls of a moist pussy.]

    When you don’t need game, and your ego doesn’t depend on the affections of bar trash, you order pussy like you order a food at a restaurant.

    [Who said game is only about picking up bar trash? Check your premises, betaboy.]

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  8. ADVOCATUS DIABOLI hellfire response in 4,…3,…2,…..

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  9. Prostitution is nature’s foil to rampant ego inflation in obese/ugly women. Knowing men can find sexual release elsewhere removes power from women, and that’s a good thing.

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  10. “For those who love to conquer, the joy and the most beautiful satisfaction is in the conquest. If you have to pay, I ask you, what joy is there?”

    -Silvio Berlusconi

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  11. on November 3, 2010 at 1:43 pm Frederik Pohl

    Courtesy of the NY Times:

    “Party And Punishment: How We Demonize Fun-Loving Women”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/magazine/24FOB-medium-t.html?_r=1

    Nice touch on the bejeweled handcuffs as the main pic.

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  12. There is something more to be said: that you’re all omegas anyway. A bunch of washed up middle aged losers obsessed with racking up notch counts with girls you rate based purely on appearance. America is the land of the oppressed. Grown men with the mentality of high school freshmen preying on shallow, vain, gold digging whores.

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  13. Hey, the guy who has never had a girlfriend…. and pays for sex …I say, good for you, at least you are getting some…

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  14. on November 3, 2010 at 1:50 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozozoozlzlozzlz

    when i was in a college town famous college town not long ago i saw the funniest thing

    crusiing by on my gbfm motorcycle i saw some people picketing in fornt of a sorroirty house

    so like i downshifted and tuned towards the pciketers holding signs and chanating, my black leather motrocycle outfit gloistening in the autumn sun zlzlzlozoooozoz

    so i saw th signs in fornt of the sorrity carreied by sexworker woemnz lzozlzolxolxllxozoozoz

    it was the usw usnion–the united sex workers union.

    and on the signs it was saying:

    “STOP PRICE FIXING: STOP SORROSTITUETES ARE GIVING IT AWAY 4 FRE!”

    “MASIVE FED-FUNDED MONOPOLY COLLUSION ACROSS ALL SORRORITIES WHO HAVE SET THE PRICE OF SEX TO 0.”

    “WILL WORK 4 FOOD. YOUNG WOMENZ ARE GIVING LAP DANCES 4 FREE IN HIPHOP GRINDING SESSIONS TO COMPLETE STRANGERS. BRING BACK BALL ROOM DANCING!”

    “DESOULED/ASSCOCKED COLLEGE WOMEN DRIVING SEX WORKERS OUT OF BUSINESS”

    “GIRLS GONE WILD BANKRUPTING PROSTITUTION PROFESSIONALS FASTER THAN BERNANKE CAN QUANTITITATIVBELY EASE A COCK OUTTA YOUR BUTT.”

    And as I kicked it back into gear, I saw a lone pimp in a fur coat and cane:
    “4th WAVE FEMINISM DESTROYED PIMPIN’. BUT UNLIKE MARRIAGE WITH A MINSITER, I PROMISE TO NEVER MAKE YOU PAY 4 PAST USE OF DA PUSSY. LZOZZOZLZOZZLLZOOL ”

    lzoozlzlozzlzozo butthexual lzozolzoozloz

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  15. The hookers in legal cathouses report that about 1/3 of their clients just want a hug and someone to talk to.

    No physical intimacy, even though that’s what’s supposedly being paid for.

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  16. As a Man you will ALWAYS pay for sex in some way. You may finance it, you may buy it retail or wholesale, you might rent it and you might just beat off to the advertising, but rest assured, you WILL pay.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/08/25/sex.for.stuff/index.html

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  17. Penguin

    The hookers in legal cathouses report that about 1/3 of their clients just want a hug and someone to talk to.

    That’s the reason
    why gratebooksformen
    is often absent from here

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  18. on November 3, 2010 at 2:12 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    ^^^^^

    lzoozzlzlzlllloz

    ya i guess your mother toldya how she likes huggin my cocka to it and talking to it up close like cocka in her nmouth zlzozolzozllzzolz

    yah my cocka told her to tell firepower i said hello lzozlzozoozlzz but when you kissed her cheek did you lick the salty taratar sauce off it? i jnow u did u saw it there and that si why you kissed her cheek to taste the gbfm!

    lozzoolz buttehtxtxuaka

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  19. What about men who sleep with prostitutes and kill them (or vice versa) without paying? Are they alpha or omega. Or Nietzschean supermen?

    A serious discussion of this practical and popular solution to the conflicts between the sexes is conspicuous in its absence on this blog. You’re not telling us something.

    You openly boast of being an atheist. If this poses some moral hangup for you, please explain. On a utilitarian calculus it’s a no-brainer: your pleasure outweighs any suffering of the hooker and the few junkie associates who might miss her.

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  20. ^^^^^

    lzoozzlzlzlllloz

    ya i guess your mother toldya how she likes huggin my cocka to it and talking to it up close like cocka in her nmouth zlzozolzozllzzolz

    yah my cocka told her to tell firepower i said hello lzozlzozoozlzz but when you kissed her cheek did you lick the salty taratar sauce off it? i jnow u did u saw it there and that si why you kissed her cheek to taste the gbfm!

    lozzoolz buttehtxtxuaka

    you are a delight, but you got it wrong.from your style, your absence is attributed to you turning tricks at the whorehouse – (sitting down to pee, I means)

    get back to work. NAACP convention in town

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  21. Ha Ha Jerry

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  22. matt,
    When I was young and cute I had sex very willingly and very pleasurably for free. What a dummy I was.

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  23. on November 3, 2010 at 2:33 pm Stud Dynamite

    CK – as we say back home, “free chicks are the most expensive”. Hehe.

    Not much to add, except even as a married (has-been-)alpha you get rusty with game pretty fast and using hookers as strange doesn’t help. So thread carefully.

    And,there’s nothing possibly alpha about getting your rocks off from stripping.

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  24. Laura

    matt,
    When I was young and cute I had sex very willingly and very pleasurably for free. What a dummy I was.

    your no dummy! you GO girl – now that your not young or cute anymore, you make it up by no longer having sex for free.

    your husband is a one lucky guy

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  25. on November 3, 2010 at 2:34 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozozozlzolzoozllool

    pwning firepower on these boards is as much fun as woning his mother who i guess told him that she pays me $10,000 to pee on her so he can lick tatse it l8er lzozzoolzozozoz

    lozozozlozozlzozlzlzloz

    seems like i should ge t a bookd eal for thsi form sodomand schuster no?

    lzozlz

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  26. Firepower,
    Yes. He has been paying for it ever since.

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  27. on November 3, 2010 at 2:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Matt has owned this thread.

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  28. on November 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Laura
    Firepower,
    Yes. He has been paying for it ever since.””””

    That honesty is refreshing.

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  29. on November 3, 2010 at 2:38 pm almost 40 year old virgin

    Agreed. Nothing more to say on this.

    Especially the part where some internet lotharios judge others doing essentially the same thing just in a more direct way.

    It´s actually pretty hilarious that PUAs think their psychological tricks are somehow superior to plain monetary transactions.

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  30. on November 3, 2010 at 2:42 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    hey roissysyss ss

    does ya ever consider how much you are influencin the young mind?

    http://dzheng.freeshell.org/?e=63

    check chcek chekc out how your word patterns style wirting is blossoming across the land in the great-books starved souls of young men who see the fed funded cockaksksksks going in and out da collective anutholezlozlzlzlzlz abnd fed funded ginatingles anuthus tingles transfeering our rigtful life liberty and happinenensns sto bernkaknee tucker max rthynmes with gold amn sachs sodoma nd schustser lzozlzozzol

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  31. greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozozozlzolzoozllool

    pwning firepower on these boards is as much fun as

    if you
    say po

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  32. on November 3, 2010 at 2:47 pm Stud Dynamite

    To “joy, validation, self-esteem” crowd:
    there is a some point in that, but not necessarily and that’s not all. The joy is pussy. Us men, we’re visual creatures and the lizard brain can’t resist a great pair of tits, a tight ass and full red lips. Even though your higher brain tells you it’s a hooker. Well, maybe with some self control, you can resist, but if there’re no problems, why not? It’s women’s game.

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  33. on November 3, 2010 at 2:59 pm Frederik Pohl

    almost 40 yuear old virgin,

    using wits, improving yourself from top to bottom and acquiring a whole new outlook on dating in order to hook up is infinitely superior to paying for sex.

    stud dynamite,

    men that go to hookers tend to be very depressed, even though they get rid of their load.

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  34. on November 3, 2010 at 3:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    From gbfm’s link

    ””””You don’t have any credibility in this society, and your well deserved retribution is coming.”””’

    The dude is stupid.

    Every law you pass is only going to fuck this dude.

    It fucks the weak like this dude.

    There will be no retribution.

    Unless you count the countless guys in jail for drug dealing and not hurting anyone.

    Yea ok that is how the jealous betas get revenge I suppose.

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  35. on November 3, 2010 at 3:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    No need to be jealous just go fuck some whores and get over it.

    Every guy can get pussy.

    Dude probably too fraid to do it though and think it is immoral or whatever.

    His problem.

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  36. on November 3, 2010 at 3:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Frederik Pohl
    almost 40 yuear old virgin,

    using wits, improving yourself from top to bottom and acquiring a whole new outlook on dating in order to hook up is infinitely superior to paying for sex.

    stud dynamite,

    men that go to hookers tend to be very depressed, even though they get rid of their load.
    ”””””’

    Fucking hookers didn’t depress me.

    Finding out the us was a shithole and not a free country depresses the shit out of me.

    Fucking woman lifts my mood whether hookers or regular chicks.

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  37. As a Man you will ALWAYS pay for sex in some way. You may finance it, you may buy it retail or wholesale, you might rent it and you might just beat off to the advertising, but rest assured, you WILL pay.

    i don’t buy that. in almost all of the one night stands or fuck buddy situations i’ve had, i didn’t buy her anything. maybe we alternated buying rounds and i ended up buying one more than she did or maybe we watched a movie on my Netflix account, but that’s hardly paying for sex. likewise in almost every longer relationship i’ve been in she’s paid for stuff just as much as i’ve paid for stuff.

    also, even if i were taking women out on dates it’s not the same as fucking prostitutes. if guys are into professionals, more power to them; no judgments from me. it’s just not my thing. i take too much enjoyment in the chase and in the genuine affection of a woman who wants to be fucking you. once it becomes a commercial transaction, it’s just not as enjoyable for me.

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  38. on November 3, 2010 at 3:22 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “also, even if i were taking women out on dates it’s not the same as fucking prostitutes. if guys are into professionals, more power to them; no judgments from me. it’s just not my thing. i take too much enjoyment in the chase and in the genuine affection of a woman who wants to be fucking you. once it becomes a commercial transaction, it’s just not as enjoyable for me.”

    so i take it you are never going to get married? as lzozolozzl marriage is nothing but a legally binding incrorproation–a commercial transaction where a man transacts the fruits of his commerce to the dstae and ebrnake goldman sax rhyunes with tucker max boyz zlozolzlozol

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  39. on November 3, 2010 at 3:29 pm Professor Woland

    Feminists who are sexual libertarians on one hand and chaffe at anyone telling them what they can do to their bodies while banning prostitution on the other hand because it is “harmful” for women are basically trying to “monopolize” sex. Like a cartel, they wish to collectivly control their assets in hopes of driving up the price.

    I occasionally wonder (not often) what happens to those poor betas that are either too physically unattractive or have too low a social ranking to have a regular relationship or family with the opposite sex are supposed to do other than masterbation.

    One way cultures get around this issue is by having a sexual caste system. America used to be like that to a certain degree and much of the thrid world is that way now. By having social pressure to marry and pair for life, even the least attractive men and women could have a partner. They lost the sexual freedom to fuck at will but like all caste systems, no matter how unequal or unfair there was at least something for everyone. Now a days we have a winner take all system. There is really no reason to prohibit the losers to live their lives void of personal contact with the opposite sex.

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  40. Professor Woland

    I occasionally wonder (not often) what happens to those poor betas that are either too physically unattractive or have too low a social ranking to have a regular relationship or family with the opposite sex are supposed to do other than masterbation.

    …Write for the NYT or run for power as a Dem in any open political office

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  41. Paying for sex is weak. Let the girls pay you.

    And why do so many people here say some version of “you pay for it either directly or indirectly?”

    My last bang was with a girl I met at a party. I did her in the stairwell of a hotel and left. I didn’t so much as buy her a drink (and I know none of you guys who read Roissy is stupid enough to buy a girl a drink … right?)

    Never pay for sex! If possible, get the girls to pay you for sex (either directly or indirectly).

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  42. So what are the ‘alpha’ males getting besides free sex with willing ho’s? In the past, when relative equals would couple each would grow by learning from each other. Now people discard each other like so much trash. Empty sex destroys the soul like empty calories destroy the body. Fuck America, the land of lost children.

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  43. j r:

    What you, and surprisingly even roissy, and others who share your position can’t seem to wrap your minds around is the fact that, as matt inferred earlier, many men genuinely can’t stand women. Their egos aren’t tied to their capacity to fuck different girls and they experience little to no thrill in the chase. Understandably so, as women, on aggregate, are a huge pain in the ass.

    Now I’m only 23, so I’m not that jaded yet, but I can definitely see where these men are coming from. FWIW, I’ve fucked my share of regular girls over the years and I’ve fucked a couple of escorts as well, and I experienced none of the negative feelings that are often brought up in relation to this kind of deal. In fact, they were some of my top sexual experiences. Then again, I live in Montreal, occasionally referred to as the Bangkok of the West, so maybe we’re spoiled here.

    Someone in a different thread made what I thought was a very perceptive observation, linking roissy’s desire for ego validation and genuine enjoyment of the modern dating dance with all of its posturing and verbal jousting and sarcastic banter, to him having a very female brain. I think this may apply to a significant portion of his readership as well. Is there a greater form of female pedestalization than linking one’s value as a human being with one’s popularity with said modern women?

    [Editor: Hey, I like the feel of my cock inside a wet pussy, and I like seducing women to give that pussy up to me. Call me crazy!]

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  44. “[Editor: Hey, I like the feel of my cock inside a wet pussy, and I like seducing women to give that pussy up to me. Call me crazy!]”

    You aren’t crazy, but neither are the guys who opt to skip all that bullshit.

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  45. I was going to list my number and quality of past sexual relations, but stopped. Discretion being the better part of valour. Is there a code or something for this? Let’s just say that in my early 20s, I was getting it pretty regularly. Then financial struggles hit in my late 20s, a few years of rejection, then about 6 years of mental and spiritual growth via ‘off-and-on’ celibacy. These years were the most peaceful and meaningful.

    Anyways, the Men’s Rights Movement is my focus on issues like this. In this little corner of the blogosphere, one can ruminate on prostitution, but as far as the cause is concerned, I have said, and will continue to say, that this is a bad idea to embrace.

    I am not condemning another man’s choices. The vast majority of men have paid a woman for sexual favors of one flavor or another, or were beholden to his wife’s poon.

    But as far as representing ourselves in the political and social arena, we should set our sights towards loftier goals. We don’t as a society need McBrothels. What we need is an overhaul of government, judiciary and media.

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  46. The reason prostitution has such a bad connotation appplied to it as “loser” is because it’s illegal. Since it’s illegal, only skanky drugged out hoes are prostitutes since they are the only ones desperate enough for money.

    If it were legal then the women who were prostitutes would be of a much higher caliber, IE some of the hottest and most beatiful women would do it. Instead of guys having to spend so much time learning game, they could just pay women – it would be much more efficent.

    I’m not saying prositution would replace long-term relationships but it seems a more efficent manner of sleeping with large amounts of women than going to bars etc.

    Indeed, if you view pussy as somethign women have a monopoly on – then the less they give it out the more valuable it is and there ability to extract resources from men is highest. That is why women hate porn, prostiution and strippers – they all give it away cheaper and lower womens ability to hold sex over men.

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  47. @Squared

    Agreed about how non-anglo males generally don’t understand ego validation, but you and some others just made the monumental mistake of assuming “regular girls” and “escorts” are different people or at least a dichotomy being discussed here. The best looking young women often have whore fantasies and they want to exercise these fantasies while they’re young and beautiful. A guy who knows this isn’t going to be going anywhere near any massage parlors.

    But its not easy to unlock the door to this fantasy. One has to overcome ADS (anti-slut-defence) for one thing. And, yes, it might be just as easy to conduct regular game to get her into bed for “free” (2 dinners and a movie).

    If one doesn’t want to accommodate the fantasies of these regular women (who could be your sister and is very likely to be a Sex and the City fan), or a guy is too clueless to know that many young women even have such itches to “go rogue”, then that his prerogative.

    As long as that man uses regular game to get the same looks/health quality for free, he hasn’t lost anything for his naivete.

    Roissy made a great point in the old article he linked to above: he really looked down on the guy who had dangerous sex at 03:00 in Times Square with what was probably an ugly professional who’d take anybody. There is a world difference between that and scratching an itch you know a sorority girl has been fantasizing about.

    Its not knowing the sorority girl has that fantasy that characterizes a naive American male (whether he’s an alpha or not).

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  48. on November 3, 2010 at 4:43 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    Paying a pro to have sex is like going to a restaurant.

    You can cook at home, and possibly cook a better meal, or your significant female can. But every so often, you want a meal cooked by someone else, where your only worry is the bill. You don’t even need to clean up afterward.

    Now, if all you ever do is go out to eat, you are a fat, lazy bastard.

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  49. on November 3, 2010 at 4:45 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “asdf

    So what are the ‘alpha’ males getting besides free sex with willing ho’s? In the past, when relative equals would couple each would grow by learning from each other. Now people discard each other like so much trash. Empty sex destroys the soul like empty calories destroy the body. Fuck America, the land of lost children.”

    no shit lzozozozozozlzloozo

    women loose women loose loose women and empty fucks lzozoolzl alpha fukcs and then they rtry to get betran bucks comamnded by bernanekek zozozllzlz

    i know man but what’s the point even for alphas? i mean an alpha alpha alpha like hamlet or soctareates or jesus or moses has a soul and thus they want horder and morality more than tucker max rhymes with goldman sax butthex banging hos llzozlzllzlozozl

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  50. on November 3, 2010 at 4:50 pm lover of women

    imo

    matt nailed the mechanics of it …dead on ..

    for some men who enjoy the chase and life in general ..and are not to busy ..its like the difference between ordering takeout from a very fine restaurant with the best atmosphere ..I prefer to go out and enjoy the process..the view ..the live music ..the choices ..which requires money, time, elegance, and technique.

    Also there are infinite ways to use your creativity.. if you really have ALPHA in you its not about domination, control and submission ..but really using your powers to make environments more conducive for everyone to enjoy human relations …try getting a group of your BETA friends laid ..not with hookers ..now thats ALPHA

    This is very difficult for young men ..under 30 … but was very possible in the 80’s 90’s ..maybe women are to far gone now and the environment to poisonous…

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  51. Hmm.. this is one area where I have considerable expertise.

    The short version of my response is-

    It is only sex.

    The somewhat longer version is-

    So.. you pay to get laid with a 8-9. But at least it is on your terms, and there are no strings (relationships, marriage, kids) or assorted crap (divorce, alimony or child-support). Plus you get top notch ass without drama.

    Think about it. Who panders to women?

    1] The guy who treats women as disposable widgets.

    2] The guy who games or marries them.

    Maybe more later.

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  52. Someone in a different thread made what I thought was a very perceptive observation, linking roissy’s desire for ego validation and genuine enjoyment of the modern dating dance with all of its posturing and verbal jousting and sarcastic banter, to him having a very female brain.

    so you’re saying that the desire to seduce beautiful women makes someone feminine?

    i don’t doubt that is a little bit true. i also don’t care.

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  53. “Agreed about how non-anglo males generally don’t understand ego validation, but you and some others just made the monumental mistake of assuming “regular girls” and “escorts” are different people or at least a dichotomy being discussed here.”

    Not really, I was just trying to convey that paying for it didn’t diminish the experience in any way. I wasn’t separating normal girls and working girls into different categories.

    On a related note, despite what some may believe, some of these girls absolutely LOVE their job.

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  54. Haha lol are you guys seriously writing a post about this.

    The real deal here is: If your not an older guy, like say at least fourty, then any sort of paying for sex is instant loser.
    Unless your in a group situation where some sort of money exchange is part of a ritual (E.G. going to a stag party type thing at a strip club), or your paying for something thats weird enough that you cant get it from your own girl.

    If you’re old then it becomes more acceptable, though your still only going to get a certain type of girl, and hint hint nudge nudge it ain’t gonna be the sort of girl you’d want for a relationship.

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  55. on November 3, 2010 at 5:15 pm Vincent Ignatius

    If you pay for sex or sexual enticement even though you don’t have to, and because it’s a fun thing to do, you are *not necessarily* a beta or omega. In this case, your solicitation is value neutral.

    I can’t see the logic when my friends rag on me for fucking a hooker in Thailand when I bang more girls through game alone than they do. All women are whores, period.

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  56. Gunslingergregi,

    When all guys try to be uber-alpha gamers like Roissy here, instead of actually doing anything productive, there won’t be society. Gaming tons of girls is not sustainable.

    I inverted the message of “Ode to the Nice Guy” point-for-point. Any below-average beta male can kill an apex alpha with ease. But of course, the cult of Roissy would rather see that society descends into sub-Saharan Africa than go through revolution.

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  57. There’s a book I read called Black Players: The Secret World of Black Pimps, its about 2 anthropologist who go undercover to find out more about the culture of pimps.

    One of the chapters discussed the people who are involved in these transactions basically it was a 3 tier community

    Pimps- Alphas who accumalated a “stable” or collection of women.

    Hoes- females HB?’s

    Johns/Tricks- Clients

    Basically the pimps depended on the hoes to seduce the tricks to take their money.

    Pimps would never under any circumstances pay for ANY sexual favors. Actually they made females pay them for sex its called “choosing money” generally anywhere from 1k -5k.

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  58. Men who pay for sex don’t know that women like sex too. At least with alfas they do for sure. And everyone who is not a cripple or too old can become an alfa.

    It is an unfair bargain to pay for sex. Women get sex and money, men get sex but lose money.

    I disrespect such paying men, because they are ultimately the base of women’s power.

    It does not matter, if you pay to a prostitute or to your wife, if you need to pay to a women for sex you are a dirtbag.

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  59. Wow, for once I disagree with Roissy!

    Matt said it all. I would just add Charlie Sheen’s line to Jay Leno about why he pays high-end prostitutes for sex:

    “I don’t pay for sex. I pay them not to stay.”

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  60. What about a guy who gets the hookers to do things they wouldn’t normally do through charm and/or sexual prowess?

    “Men who pay for sex don’t know that women like sex too. At least with alfas they do for sure. And everyone who is not a cripple or too old can become an alfa.

    It is an unfair bargain to pay for sex. Women get sex and money, men get sex but lose money.

    I disrespect such paying men, because they are ultimately the base of women’s power.

    It does not matter, if you pay to a prostitute or to your wife, if you need to pay to a women for sex you are a dirtbag.

    -Ridiculous baseless assumption. Liking sex has nothing to do with it. The money is an equalizer. If she happens to like it, then she happens to like it. I really can’t imagine all the filthy sluts in clubs are cumming like crazy everynight with the slam-n’-split “alphas” they fuck while half drunk/stoned. Years of self inflicted robotic assaults on their clitorises aren’t helping much either.

    -“Fairness” is subjective and therefor irrelevant. Especially in this case. How do you know prostitutes don’t “lose” something with every meaningless fuck?

    -The base of womens “power” are the guys who can get laid but choose to pay just for fun and the losers who can’t get laid and worship at the altar of women regardless of whether or not they pay for sexual favors? In what way is this a logical progression?

    -Considering most prostitutes won’t do much with almost 100% of their clientèle without protection (including kissing) while the pigs you see in clubs are spreading disease like there’s no tomorrow I don’t see how it’s dirty, as an undeniable fact. You’re more likely to catch something from the little slut grinding away on some douchebags crotch.

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  61. I did a writeup on virgin men that embark on the study and application of seducing women…only to Pay for Sex. Check it!

    http://www.getgirlsnotgame.com/2010/10/paying-for-sex.html

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  62. That’s the whole issue here – the base of women’s power. The base of their power is men who’s urges rule them, which is most of them. Game is a way of simulating control of your sexual urges. Its a way of portraying the image that you have value and that you don’t need any one particular woman, which is exactly the formula that intrigues them. The actual fact is that ‘players’ are slaves to their sexual urges and have forgone commitment to one person to keep their sexual options available. The worst thing for them is to have their access to sex controlled by someone else-the woman-and to have to deal with her needs on a personal level. The real measure of ‘alpha’ is moral strength, which players only simulate. Women are attracted to men with moral strength because they are ruled by their passions, which have to be dominated, and which they cannot do. The player loses the opportunity to learn the lessons intimacy teaches and instead just becomes cynical and jaded, not knowing why.

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  63. There is no difference between a glassed nerd who spends some of the shit-tons of money he’s earned on 10s and a athletics jock who uses his smooth game to reel in the same girls.

    Game just isn’t an option for socially retarded nerd but neither is spending shit-vats of dollars to peg girls an option for jocks.

    Game alone is not more alpha than cash. Alpha is having both cash and game. Alpha is not being tied to one strategy. Alpha is having options.

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  64. Lovekraft

    In this little corner of the blogosphere, one can ruminate on prostitution…

    yuck – sounds nastay.
    gratebooksformen can do it

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  65. BlackGreer

    There’s a book I read called Black Players: The Secret World of Black Pimps, its about 2 anthropologist who go undercover to find out more about the culture of pimps.

    Basically the pimps depended on the hoes to seduce the tricks to take their money.

    It’s nice to finally see black men working…

    mout

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  66. on November 3, 2010 at 6:46 pm johnycomelately

    I guess that makes Sultans betas, you know killing, plundering and buying harems and all that.

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  67. on November 3, 2010 at 6:47 pm Frederik Pohl

    Jon

    Wow, for once I disagree with Roissy!

    Matt said it all. I would just add Charlie Sheen’s line to Jay Leno about why he pays high-end prostitutes for sex:

    “I don’t pay for sex. I pay them not to stay.”

    ___________________________

    Charlie is an alpha male tv star who has to fight women off with a stick. It doesn’t apply to average Joes. Those that tell themselves that are just trying to make themselves feel better. Most of those guys don’t have to pay women to leave because no women desire them in the first place.

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  68. From what I understand, successful pimps find girls they don’t actually like, but who like the pimps and convince them to screw other guys for money. They then take and control all the money.

    It’s really that simple.

    As one 40 year veteran said “I found a girl who liked me. If I liked her, I knew she wasn’t for me.” And that’s how he played it for over 40 years, still going strong.

    There was a documentary about pimps featuring Ice-T, who was a pimp before he became a rapper. If you get past the ridiculous lavish nonsense you can definitely learn a lot. There are some videos of Ice-T talking about the pimp game being applied to other aspects of life and how it’s the same shit. It’s not all ghetto nonsense.

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  69. “veterans abroad” aka jerry? jerry, is that you??? hahahahhahaaha jerry’s such a loser

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  70. j r:

    Seduction, manipulation and the like are definitely within the realm of the feminine. As is a genuine enjoyment of the modern western mating ritual and everything that it entails. I’m partial to more intellectual pursuits myself and my threshold for bullshit is low. Outsmarting female psychology in an attempt to get laid is BORING, mind numbing, time consuming drudgery. It’s a necessary evil unfortunately, but I could definitely do without it, and I don’t understand how anybody except females (bless their emotional, social, conformist little hearts) actually take any enjoyment out of it.

    But it’s the emotional neediness (you know, the uncompromising need to feel desired by your female overlord, as if it actually matters how you get your dick wet, the feelings of inadequacy for straying from the conventional path, and the thinly veiled ego stroking, even when your audience is a bunch of other dudes on the internet!) on display here that takes the cake. Not only is it extremely feminine, it’s fucking beta.

    I love this blog, but I’m starting to believe there isn’t a single real alpha around here.

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  71. on November 3, 2010 at 8:41 pm johnycomelately

    What squared said.

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  72. If you pay for sex or sexual enticement even though you don’t have to, and because it’s a fun thing to do, you are *not necessarily* a beta or omega. In this case, your solicitation is value neutral.

    The man who has a cute girlfriend but lives it up at his buddy’s bachelor party by throwing $20s at a hot stripper is not a sexual loser.

    I disagree with the first part of this quote, but not with the second. While it’s true that paying for “sexual enticement” (e.g. strippers) is not necessarily beta, that doesn’t mean paying for sex is quite so “value neutral.” The only legitimate exception to this would be if you were paying someone to do something so inane that even the most alpha of guys wouldn’t be able to get a girl to do that — and honestly, it’s unlikely that anyone here is into that kind of shit.

    Obviously, paying for a lapdance at a bachelor party is not beta (that doesn’t mean it’s alpha, just that it’s not necessarily beta). I think the reason Jerry is catching so much flack (let’s face it, the email’s obviously from Jerry) is that he seems to think it’s significantly harder to get “non prostitutes” or “non strippers” to lift their shirts for money. I’m in college and let me tell you — it’s not hard to get girls to do anything around here, money or no money. I think there’s a pretty clear hierarchy when it comes to what is alpha/beta:

    Alpha:

    Girl fucks you for free

    Girls strips for free

    Neutral:

    Stripper strips for money

    You have a freaky-deaky fetish that involves dead bodies and scat, and you pay a hooker for that

    Beta:

    You pay hooker for sex, because you think it’s not worth it to get unpaid sex

    Super-Beta/Omega:

    Non-stripper strips for money (if a girl’s not a stripper and she’s making you pay to see the goods? She’ll definitely do it for some other guy for free.)

    Non-prostitute makes you pay for sex (um…if she’s not a prostitute, she’ll definitely give it away for free)

    You pay hooker for sex because nobody else will touch you

    If you have a girlfriend/wife/lover at home (i.e. you are not a sexual loser) but you’re paying for sex, that doesn’t make paying for sex any less beta…it makes the fact, at best, value neutral, and, at worst, more pathetic, depending on the circumstances.

    Alpha: You have a girlfriend, and you have sex with other girls for free. Hell, even hookers have sex with you for free.

    Alpha: You have a girlfriend and you go to a buddy’s bachelor party and put a one in the stripper’s thong. Then you take your one back so you can go get a Mountain Dew.

    Beta: You have a girlfriend and you pay some co-ed to lift her shirt. She later lifts her shirt for the guys from Girls Gone Wild and enters a wet t-shirt contest.

    Beta: You’re sick of trying with girls, so, even though you’ve had success in the past (or currently do), you pay a hooker for sex.

    Omega: You hound a girl who has refused to go on a date with you. You offer her financial help. She refuses. You offer to write her college essays. She grudgingly agrees to meet you. When you’re sitting in a cafe with her, doing her homework, you tell her you’ll give her $200 to strip for you. She’s financially in trouble, so she (grudgingly) agrees. Several hundred dollar bills later, she agrees to sleep with you for $1000. You have sex. You go on the internet and blow up all over the board about how you totally “gamed” this girl into sleeping with you by acting like a pathetic whiny loser with extra-deep pockets. And by “acting” you mean “being.”

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  73. I don’t really care about any given person’s stance on prostitution, but it’s surprising and a little bit disappointing that a smart guy like roissy can’t see how inconsistent his views on this issue are with the other mainstays of this blog. If he was anyone but our dear host, I’d probably tell him to visit the chateau more often. Pretty lies (and, dare I say it, rationalization hamster-isms) are clouding his vision.

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  74. on November 3, 2010 at 8:59 pm lover of women

    not sure who the editor is ..but to go where you went with Matt’s post read “a bit dull minded insecure” … Matt’s methodology and mindset about paying for sex is completely different than mine ..yet ..his insight and clarity were of someone who knows themself and dances to the music he himself sets..

    that to me is ALPHA … wether he is top dog Alpha or a B- alpha wannabe ..or only king in his own world…not important cant imagine how someone could read his post and not get the point..

    there is no correct way to create your own personal experience .. there is only knowing trusting yourself to do whats appropriate …understanding your own belief system or lack of it..plus strengths and weakness

    for a guy under 30 to shed the weight of what other people think is difficult ..and for a guy over 40 to still cling to it ..he is surely lost

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  75. Money is always money, not matters how you spend it.

    You give money to a woman, it is money spent. You buy nice clothes and so and seduce her, same money.

    You spend money on those nice DVDs and books about game so you do not spend money on hookers. Curious huh.

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  76. The issue isn’t “is there something wrong with paying?”

    The issue is “is it Alpha male behaviour to pay some regular girl to flash her tits or strip for you”.

    By definition Alphas are determined by the quality of women they can ATTRACT, not whether the pay a woman to do anything or not.

    The argument is with the notion paying women to flash or strip is an ALPHA move. Like CR said, it can be neutral or Beta, but it ain’t ALPHA

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  77. what about paying an escort who is out of his league to sleep with her?

    ex: portly 50 y old man sleeping with 18 y olds.

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  78. Sex is sex, however you get it. I would have more respect for a man who slept with a 100 9s and 10s compared to an alpha who slept with 5 long term girlfriends or wives.

    Women trade sex for time, money, family and status, practically all women are whores.

    A smart man with options will use high end escorts out of convenience and control, losers without options pay for low quality products and complain when they get a STD.

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  79. Game, demostrated by an 80 year old:

    Engage the cockblock first. Make hottie jealous. Won cockblocks approval. Great success!

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  80. “If I want to get laid I don’t go to a bar, I go online pick out who I want to fuck, and have them come to my house. Trust me nothing beta about that!”

    Yet again, more proof that the community has been over-run by nerds. The stupid bitch with the fragilist ego here, yet he’s surrounded by rolls royces and supermodels begging to suck his dick? LOL you’d piss your pants if a fatty made eye contact with you.

    Don’t panic, matt, we trust your word, there is “nothing beta about you.”

    And to the faggots defending him; you can go back to jacking off to internet porn. It’s free and you never had to lift your lard ass off the couch -YOU’RE ALPHA!

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  81. Any guy who thinks he doesn’t pay for sex in one way or another is living life in a fantasy world. Even the most non-materialistic women have their price. If they don’t they’re psycho or have the self-esteem of roadkill.

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  82. From what I read on the net, men in Germany where prostitution is legal are treated so much better by their women. I wonder why? Oh and in case you haven’t heard, their economy is picking up again.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-13/world/germany.economic.growth_1_economic-upswing-german-exports-german-unification?_s=PM:WORLD

    Prostitution and porn to an extent take power away from women. And guys, anytime you can do that, men and women seem to come to terms and actually work together better. Until the men in the US realize that they should look to viable alternatives and not be ashamed because of it (sadly by other men for the most part) then the dating scene will continue to be lopsided in favor of women and all of us will continue to go around and around .

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  83. Here is a clip from chelsea lately about sexbots:

    http://www.eonline.com/videos/v82446_chelsea-lately-robot-love.html

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  84. Moral issues aside, paying for sex/strip is mostly an economic choice.

    I’m not saying it’s right, or alpha. But don’t forget gaming a girl most probably involve taking her out, unless you get her to pay for everything, at the very least you have to pay for your share ($), and your time and effort (T), then depends how good your game is and other outside factors (R) there is a risk that sex won’t be on the agenda. (lets face it even the best alphas have the odd off days/nights)

    So if ($+T)xR=sex+gratification

    I can see why some men choose to pay for it

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  85. The tricky-est stage of the process of seduction is the part when you have just had sex with a woman for the first time and her hindbrain is telling her forebrain, “Now he owes you, make sure you get paid. Don’t let him get away without paying.” Of course, the hindbrain cannot say exactly what she is owed. This is what makes this part tricky. She does not know and cannot say what she is owed either. The limits of your debt are not defined, at least by logic or even sanity.
    If you are good at this or just lucky you can leave them smiling with nothing more than a kiss and a vague promise to call her later. If you are neither you will find bunnies boiling in your kitchen.

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  86. Paying is easy and convenient. There are whorehouses in Europe that are just cool places to party. Nothing builds esprit de corps among good friends than a night out in a good whorehouse. Sarges are air kills and hookers are ground kills. Its all good.

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  87. What’s the difference, ‘alphas’ are just moral degenerates anyway.

    The question is who gets all the sluts before we finally submerge and drown in a cesspool of our own debauchery.

    Pay for it or lie for it, its desperate just the same.

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  88. [Is the sky purple in your world, too? Men who like to bed women who *want* to be with them don’t suffer from low self-esteem. They suffer from testosterone.]

    They suffer from delusion. The women don’t want you, they want what they think is you, which is not you. You are a calculator with a formula. Fuck game.

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  89. There are no alphas and betas, because no one is winning. These women are whores that no one really wants.

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  90. The ‘alphas’ lie (mostly to themselves), the others pay. Big difference. The end result is the same, nothing.

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  91. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101102/ap_on_re_eu/eu_italy_berlusconi

    Roissy

    Any comments on the Silvio Berlusconi scandal?

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  92. Outsmarting female psychology in an attempt to get laid is BORING, mind numbing, time consuming drudgery… and I don’t understand how anybody except females (bless their emotional, social, conformist little hearts) actually take any enjoyment out of it.

    But it’s the emotional neediness (you know, the uncompromising need to feel desired by your female overlord… Not only is it extremely feminine, it’s fucking beta.

    part of game is learning to understand the female mind and often involves making use of women’s tricks, so sure, all great seducers have a bit of the feminine about them. you, however, are taking this way too far. it’s not beta to enjoy the sublime pleasure of a woman’s submission to your carnal will or her genuine affection for you.

    by your logic any man who tries to accomplish anything is being beta, because he cares what other people think. so michael jordan is really a beta cause an alpha wouldn’t need six championship rings to prove anything. he would be shooting hoops by himself in his backyard secure in the knowledge that he is the best. and keith richards is a beta cause wanting people to buy your albums or see your concerts is needy. an alpha musician would just hang out in his basement studio making demos for himself, cause no one else’s opinion matters. and alexander the great must have been a huge beta cause he wanted to conquer the known world and be worshiped as a god. alexander the alpha would have been fine staying in macedonia, cause who cares what other people think.

    part of what drives great men is the desire to be affirmed by the world around you, prove that you excel at what you do. it’s the same with seduction. a man who has spent his life fucking willing war pigs or beautiful prostitutes has never tested his mettle. if that’s your thing, fine, no judgments from me.

    just remember, anything worth doing requires some amount of work to accomplish (ie mind numbing, time consuming drudgery). nothing good comes easy. and that’s part of why hookers don’t do it for me.

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  93. @Firepower

    It’s nice to finally see black men working…

    mout

    Thanks to liberal welfare policies and a history of black male crippling by institutionalized racism, working for black men has been made especially difficult. Its no secret that black college graduates have a much more difficult time attaining a position after college compared to white college graduates

    Unemployment among African-American college graduates is 7.2 percent, nearly twice as high as their white counterparts and significantly higher than among Hispanics and Asians with four-year degrees.-
    http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2009/04/23/unemployment-for-black-college-graduates-at-72-percent-nearly-twice-as-high-as-whites/

    And as a black junior in college I find this information difficult to swallow. Any suggestions?

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  94. And as a black junior in college I find this information difficult to swallow. Any suggestions?

    Major in something real. Chemistry. Electrical Engineering. Biochemistry. Physics.

    There were plenty of black guys where I went to college, but none of them were in hard majors. They were all studying liberal arts BS. My engineering classes were packed with Asians and Indians.

    I now manage a group of software engineers at a Silicon Valley company. I pay kids with a masters degree $90-$100K their first year out of school. I go to lots of career fairs at universities to meet them. If I meet 100 guys in a day, it’s a shock if more than one of them is black. Heck, it’s a surprise if even one of them is black.

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  95. How long will a woman love you if you refuse to sign a marriage contract that entitles her to monetary compensation if the relationship doesn’t work out?

    How many women will stay with you if you refuse to move them into your place and start helping them out with their student loans, credit cards, car payments? See how long the validation, love, affection lasts.

    Keep in mind prenups only limit your losses, they don’t eliminate them completely. You still have to give something. As for living together only, see how quickly the sex dries up when you refuse to chip in for the cell phone bill, hair coloring etc. Watch the look you get when you say no, or if you ever ask to ‘borrow’ money yourself.

    At the end of the day, many not all, but many women will leave you if you refuse to pay up as illustrated above. Love is bought and sold like a commodity. Beta providers shaming guys for using hookers is the pot calling the kettle black. If a guy can pull 8s and 9s naturally ( like Skittles man), all the power to him. Just don’t feed me bullshit about ‘validation’ or ‘love’ from ‘real’ women. If you don’t pay, they will leave. End of story.

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  96. I can’t hold it against the guy that decided to pay for sex instead of the deceit of love that he’s going to get anyways. It IS a surrender on the eternal battle of the sexes (which is why a gamesman that lasted through thousands of rejections will never accept it), but some guys just can’t be bothered with that shit.

    Also, the lack of despera¡tion for sex is the only way that some guys will be able toget over their oneitis/pedestalization/etc.

    But dear god, pay for decent sex, not for the scrap that you can get in a dark alley.

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  97. There is nothing alpha or beta about paying a women. If you are alpha, they very act of paying a women would be considered alpha.

    Alpha are alphas no matter what they do, they set trends and they don’t give a shit about anything. You’ve got it all wrong roissy.

    Paying a women doesn’t make you needy, you throw money at a woman for her beauty, appreciation doesn’t make you beta.

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  98. Someone who clarly is not a friend of his head wrote here that learning game costs as much as buying women. WTF? I havent spend more than 150$ for game books during the 3 years I know it and also then I later regreted it, seeing how it basically repeats all the vast info that is available for free.

    If I had no Game I had to spend such a sum monthly to dine and wine girls. Now I pay just for myself, I go only to dates that I enjoy and she pays her half. In early relationship I always made sure they all paid 60%

    Yes in longer relationships, you may have to pay more, because the woman is likely earning less or she gets pregnant and cannot work and must attend house, but that is different, cause YOU DONT PAY FOR SEX! You pay her for sitting home, cooking healthy food for you , attending children, cleaning house washing dishes and laundry. You pay her for WORK!

    And if she does lousy work you kick her out of your life. You do none of these works, because you are a man, you work oustisde of home.

    Paying for sex is beta. Paying for work is alfa, it is a natural leaders role to give parts of his income to those who have helped him, so they would continue to do so.

    You all are in corner because you think in only two categories sex and money, you have to remember that there is the third category – work.

    If you want to become a true alfa who is not a player (a mere slave to his hyperinflated sexual urges), but a patriarch, a king of his home, you must demand work from your women and then you can pay for their job, like a boss pays to employee. But you dont pay for sex, all the reward for pleasure she gives you is pleasure you give her, that is all. That is the alfa way.

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  99. “There are no alphas and betas, because no one is winning. These women are whores that no one really wants.”
    Indeed, the alphas snatch up all the girls in high school and college, while the betas are left with soulless de facto whores.

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  100. on November 4, 2010 at 3:10 am Turds of Misery

    @Ubermind – what country are you from? From the looks of your writing, English is not your first language. Here in America, the entitlement of the women is so high that there is always a cost to sex in one form or another (time, effort, your part of the date, a portion of her part, drama, etc) even for guys who have learned game. Feminized females have are going to be demanding regardless of your level of game simply because their egos are tied to what they think they can get from a man, and society has brainwashed them into thinking they can get the world.

    And for guys learning game, there are the additional costs involving mental energy (learning), personality transformation, and blow-outs. Women in the US (granted there are exceptions, but we are talking in aggregate terms) look to men for either excitement or resources. “Work” is simply out of the equation, or a modicum of sacrifice is exhibited as a token gesture and is short lived. So if you were to apply the paradigm you describe to American (or Australian or British) female, you’d invariably have to “kick her out of your life for doing lousy work”.

    So again, not sure where you’re from but here in the States, there’s *always* a cost. Even if you’re Charlie Sheen.

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  101. To those who said that going to professionala prostitutes is like going to restaurants:

    You must find a woman who likes cooking and does so good enough, so that you dont want to attend restaurants more than a few times a year. And if she wants restaurants and doesn’t want to cook, let her pay for it.

    And you must mercilessly ignore the rest like the parasites they are.

    Similary you must find a women who will do any sexual thing you desire, so that you dont need to go to prostitutes who will do the thing your girl won’t do for you. If you cannot find such a women you need to level up your Game.

    Every women secretly wants to be a whore for her Master.

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  102. Need opinions on this one. I have only been with one hooker, well so I thought. When we got to my room I said to her look lets just leave it I’ll pay you in full in the morning (I’d negotiated long time and run some minor game on her at the bar if such a thing is possible lol, she was also running a few tests as she was a high quality freelancer).

    Anyway she insisted we have sex ! I’m thinking wtf ? sweety you get a free one lets just go to sleep. No no no she said. Even after repeated nos and me trying to physically get her to stop I was too tired to stop her climbing on board.

    Can I be granted leniency as I’ve really been down on myself about it ? I wish I could go back to a clean slate and my dream of entering the realms of alphadom.

    I’m not sure if she was trying to be nice or what but she was quite a nice chick. She seemed genuinely upset that I didn’t ask for her number in the morning.

    Technically I’m thinking that given I said to her no and I’ll pay you for the inconvience that the sex was for free ?

    Cheers

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  103. “Seduction, manipulation and the like are definitely within the realm of the feminine. As is a genuine enjoyment of the modern western mating ritual and everything that it entails. I’m partial to more intellectual pursuits myself and my threshold for bullshit is low. Outsmarting female psychology in an attempt to get laid is BORING, mind numbing, time consuming drudgery. It’s a necessary evil unfortunately, but I could definitely do without it, and I don’t understand how anybody except females (bless their emotional, social, conformist little hearts) actually take any enjoyment out of it.

    But it’s the emotional neediness (you know, the uncompromising need to feel desired by your female overlord, as if it actually matters how you get your dick wet, the feelings of inadequacy for straying from the conventional path, and the thinly veiled ego stroking, even when your audience is a bunch of other dudes on the internet!) on display here that takes the cake. Not only is it extremely feminine, it’s fucking beta.

    I love this blog, but I’m starting to believe there isn’t a single real alpha around here.”

    Oh god, amen, amen, a thousand times amen.

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  104. The best point made here was that it only raises the Sexual Market Value of “regular women” when special interest groups pretend that mercenaries are a separate type of woman that one shouldn’t touch without stigma (or outrageous laws banning solicitation, sexbots, foreign brides, etc).

    In reality we’re talking about the same women here (the 9s and 10s – anyone who would pay for an 8 or lower is a Gamma). What’s happening is that the same women have two different price structures: low for guys who obviously wouldn’t have the time or interest to date them and high for guys who look like they’re ready to invest a lot of time and effort into a relationship including Marriage 2.0.

    Most opposition to paying a certain low price for a certain action with the same woman other men ask to marry them is that, if this were acceptable in US society (and it basically is outside the media and politically correct blogs), the value of a particular woman’s temporary appearance + sex in “romantic relationships” will necessarily go down which would drastically reduce the artificially inflated Sexual Market Value of American women.

    Obviously, bans on sexbots, foreign brides and “solicitation” would try to prop that value back up.

    Guys who read this blog basically “get it” that one has to drastically reduce the artificially inflated market value.

    But, because of an ingrained anti-male culture that came from Victorian England, many American and British males don’t “get it” that societies outside the USA can be more male-friendly precisely because every woman knows the value of her appearance is set at commodity prices and should be.

    Once you imply that the value of sex with a co-ed is set at an almost unattainable level, as in “only a super Alpha could get her,” you’re unnecessarily and artificially raising her value and that of her friends. This is where beginners PUA literature can serve the interests of socons and fems.

    Remember that any given 10 secretly has two price structures, the higher one for the naive socon and fem-friendly fools who believe the nonsense that “only a Super Alpha could get her”. The lower price is for those who know her rent is due.

    The Beta is the man who’s invested in a relationship and doesn’t know his girlfriend isn’t getting all her money from her real daddy.

    @andrew (more likely andrea)

    Your rant showed you have an envy problem (if male). You obsess about me. And no, I don’t catch too much flack for any of my opinions here.

    [Beta: You have a girlfriend and you pay some co-ed to lift her shirt.]

    The host and most would disagree. This is value neutral, if one makes the outrageous assumption that a Beta wouldn’t be scared to death of insulting the co-ed with his indecent proposal (betas fear insulting women because socons tell them to fear this and betas also fear harassing women because the fems tell them).

    Also, Roissy rarely describes how a man can use normal game to get a woman AND HER FRIENDS to go home with him to have fun.

    I won’t hold my breath for field reports by guys using regular game to get multiple women at the same time.

    Meanwhile, what’s beta to me is if a man doesn’t know that his own 9 or 10 girlfriend would lift her shirt for another guy (or more) if she was “out with the girls” one night. Its knowledge that counts.

    It is the naivete of what their own women are doing with other men that makes so many American and British men so beta in the eyes of those other men.

    You, andrew, think you’d be more alpha to have a long term girlfriend whom a “Beta Sugar Daddy” pays for once per week. Most people here would say that, in such a situation, you’d be at least on his level for being cuckolded like that (whether you know about it or not).

    If he’s got a beautiful wife who isn’t giving you favors, you’d be below his level. You’d basically be in a couples swap situation where you’re not invited.

    I’ve stated that there are athletes in my college town who don’t know their gorgeous but not too bright girlfriends have been with me briefly (if they were bright I would want to call them again).

    My girlfriend hasn’t done this. So who’s more alpha, the athlete who doesn’t know his girl also likes sugar daddies or the guy who has his fun with other guy’s dumb girlfriends while also having a smart loyal girlfriend who’s marriage material?

    Now getting back to your obsession with me:

    The 18 year old whom I helped do homework with was never paid more than half a pizza. You can at least stop obsessing about whether this is alpha or beta. That very long paragraph you wrote, rewriting what I said happened in a night club, is disturbing because of the way it says I just can’t get out of your mind. For your sake, I hope you’re not really male. Relax “dude”.

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  105. Seriously how can you argue everyone pays because of some normal dinner and half the girls will happily pay your way.

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  106. [Every women secretly wants to be a whore for her Master.]

    This almost “gets it” but its ironically said from the point of view that she doesn’t really want to be treated like a whore.

    That reflects the deep-seated Anglo-American male conditioning that implies she’d be insulted or disgusted if a man actually did so.

    The sentence implies the guy should care enough about her to be her “Master”. Young women with real whore fantasies don’t want a guy to care that much. He’s supposed to be a very busy man.

    The concept of master applies better to those playing to a smarter woman’s “Slave Fantasy” which is a different kind of game.

    A woman has to be above a certain IQ level to be worth doing the master/slave thing with. This is where the Story of O in the Chateau du Roissy is relevant reading material.

    Field reports on Slave Fantasy Game would be great to see here.

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  107. Doesn’t there come a point in the odd PUA’s life that he begins to realize that he’s trashing the lives of women who would willingly have him if only he’d have them? Isn’t there something to be said for “paying them to go away”? No dramas, no hassles, just a cool business transaction with your right to act out your wildest fantasy on someone who is probably going to like it.

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  108. matt wrote:

    ——–
    “Plenty of hot 28 yo women want to date me, because they hear their clocks ticking and want to hitch their wagon to my rolls royce. That is my default, but that can be a pain in the ass, if I want to get laid I don’t go to a bar, I go online pick out who I want to fuck, and have them come to my house. Trust me nothing beta about that!”

    ——–

    Nothing beta about that, given your stated motivation.

    There is also nothing alpha about it either. It is just a ‘neutral’ act of convenience as RC said.

    Picking up the phone to call in special female room service does not require any alpha traits whatsoever, unless you are some nervous teenager doing it for the first time, a priest quitting young boys, etc., etc.
    Which leads me to this …

    Your whole post comes across as just snarky trumpet blowing. There’s a trollish smell about it, as well.

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  109. Imagine if the US educational system incorporated PUA Studies into all high school curricula.

    The message gets across to young women: female 9s and 10s are only attainable by the 5% of males who are both clever enough in their open/game/close and within 2 points on the looks scale.

    Would this raise the Entitlement Index or lower it?

    Now imagine a culture where young 9s tend to believe their worth is half their month’s rent but only one time after which they have to introduce their friends to a guy to keep his interest.

    One can argue that a mix of the above two cultures might be ideal (and parts of the US have this mix). The world would be a nasty place if every woman were mercenary. There should be a meritocracy.

    But let’s not pedestalize and further entitle 9s and 10s by broadcasting that they’re unattainable to most men. Reality says they’re available if the rent is due.

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  110. @ Matt

    “Again, your problem is you have low self esteem.

    You get a nice ego boost from getting some chick to sleep with you willingly.”

    When you actually have confience and have slept with enough random girls, you might consider paying for it.”

    Umm. I ain’t buying the bullshit!

    I’ve never paid (forked over bills) for sex, but I have banged more than a few sex workers (I love strippers)…. for free. And it is really, really hard for me to imagine that when girls give you a fake name and call you “John” (trick under her breath) that the pussy she gives you is comparable to the pussy I get from the same woman.

    I know you want to make not paying about “male ego” cause it makes you feel better about yourself, but wet pussy is soo much better than lubed pussy. And lubed pussy is exactly what you (the 4th customer of the day) is getting get from your “dates”. As a matter of fact I’m not sure being dick #4 even counts as sex anymore. By the time she gets around to you she’s probably just delivering assisted masturbation… with her twat.

    So please remember that the next time you call the restaurant for “food”, you aren’t ordering pussy at all, you are ordering an orgasm!
    And the actual pussy/waitress who is serving you probably spit in your food because that’s what women who are “on the clock” will do. Women deliver good service/pussy when they are doing it for the tingles, not the tips. It’s time for you to accept the reality of home cooked meals.

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  111. on November 4, 2010 at 12:03 pm David Rockefeller

    I get that paying a pro to rent her pussy is sometimes cost efficient. Yes, her rates may be far higher than what I’d pay (especially the opportunity cost of my time) to game a girl in a bar. But so what? I’m willing to pay some amount to acquire certainty that on a night when I’m tired and stressed from work, I will still be fucking a pretty hot babe.

    That said, I always found fucking pros to be depressing as hell. There’s no thrill of the chase. No matter how they present themselves, the girls always seem fucked up in one way or another, the product of a lot of bad lifestyle choices. (I’ve never known a pro I’d want to date or otherwise get to know outside of our business dealings.) And fucking a girl who keeps one eye on the clock and requires you to wear a condom before she blows you is not my idea of great sex.

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  112. > And as a black junior in college I find this information difficult to swallow. Any suggestions?

    Greenlander gave the best advice. Make sure that you are getting a real degree.

    I went back to a university to get another degree in an unrelated field in my 30’s. As I was taking mostly night/weekend courses most of the other students were there for similar reasons.

    I got into a good argument/discussion with a black female using as an example of racism she “had a degree but no one would hire for the job she wanted.” Questioning further it winds up she had an English degree and was expecting to walk into a management position. She did not take it well when I explained that all her degree did was mean that she would have a better shot at a secretarial/clerical position. It took a while to get her to see things from the employer’s perspective. She had been brought up being told that “a degree will get you a job.” But she translated that to mean “a degree will get you any job you want.”

    Even if you have a real (meaning math is involved) degree also keep in mind that the paper at best will get you the interview. It won’t get you the job. You will still need to work on selling yourself.

    Good luck and stick with it!

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  113. Nothing in life is free. You pay for everything.

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  114. On this site a lot of women come in complaining that game’s only purpose “is to have lots of sex with younger good looking women.” I have trouble even conceiving a universe where this is considered bad.

    Nonetheless it does have other purposes. As has been mentioned here in the past it can work wonders in a long term married relationship. Bitching is down by at least 75%, the wife is happier in day to day living, and actual fights are extremely rare. The downside is that other women have noticed the change and are starting to make not so subtle hints.

    Hiring outside service allows one to blow off a little steam when the pressure gets too great without the much higher risk that she’ll want to follow you home. And there is a bit of the Cooledge effect. Having sex with another woman actually makes you want to have sex with your wife more often and in a wilder manner.

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  115. BlackGreer

    @Firepower

    It’s nice to finally see black men working…

    mout

    Thanks to liberal welfare policies and a history of black male crippling by institutionalized racism, working for black men has been made especially difficult. Its no secret that black college graduates have a much more difficult time attaining a position after college compared to white college graduates

    Unemployment among African-American college graduates is 7.2 percent, nearly twice as high as their white counterparts and significantly higher than among Hispanics and Asians with four-year degrees.-
    http://blackpoliticsontheweb.com/2009/04/23/unemployment-for-black-college-graduates-at-72-percent-nearly-twice-as-high-as-whites/poorblackmancantgetahaidcuzofracistwhitey.com

    And as a black junior in college I find this information difficult to swallow. Any suggestions?

    Don’t be no cripple
    score youself a triple…

    Get a job with The Government – you already speak their language.

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  116. Evil, you are such a hypocrite. Now you’re saying that free sex with well worn women is better than you could even imagine sex with a woman who made you pay would be.

    Why can you not understand why making a guy wait rather than letting him lead would be bad for an ugly or otherwise lower value woman?

    If you won’t pay for official whores, why would you play the games of the unofficial ones?

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  117. @andrew

    You sound like you’re poverty stricken as a student and have a stick up your butt about seeing professors on campus with hotter women than you get in your drunken stupors. You wouldn’t be so bitter otherwise.

    I don’t believe for a second that you are getting any action on campus. Its more believable you are a fem making up what she thinks a macho campus stud would say.

    But if you were a young good looking male getting action, you wouldn’t be more alpha for having a dumb girlfriend (for free) that other men are paying for while keeping their own serious and smart girlfriends loyal (meaning you are not getting his women but he’s getting yours for pocket change).

    It also goes without saying that there is a handicap regarding how old a man is. A 70 year old man who pays for your 19 year old girlfriend is cuckolding you while doing the best he can probably do (if you were capable of having a 9 or 10 as a girlfriend because of your youth). He’d be the Alpha in that scenario. You’d be the cuckold.

    That said, I will take your fictitious scenario and run with it (the prices are too high and the words “hound” and “grudging” reek of a feminist-inspired upbringing):

    [Omega: You hound a girl who has refused to go on a date with you. You offer her financial help. She refuses. You offer to write her college essays. She grudgingly agrees to meet you. When you’re sitting in a cafe with her, doing her homework, you tell her you’ll give her $200 to strip for you. She’s financially in trouble, so she (grudgingly) agrees. Several hundred dollar bills later, she agrees to sleep with you for $1000. You have sex.]

    Prices are too high, but…

    If she’s a 10 that college boy here only wishes would talk with him, Alpha. Everything would depend on how hot she was and how virginal she was and whether her male peers were able to get her.

    Otherwise, value neutral (on this blog) for any guy with a girlfriend and smarter women to date who, for instance, don’t smoke cigarettes. In the real case you are trying to parody, the girl smoked and showed she wasn’t bright enough for her coursework and, therefore, lost the chance for me to be interested in asking her anything at all (free or paid).

    Such a scenario wouldn’t be value neutral in real life, however because 99% of American men would be frightened to even experimentally try to make a “normal woman” an indecent proposal.

    Fear of offending is a huge leading indicator of Betatude.

    I’ll respect a moral opposition to making indecent proposals, but if its clear that someone just worries that a woman might not “respect him” for asking, or that she might get “offended” or take it as “sexual harassment”, then that’s hard to respect.

    And young women don’t respect the guys who seem too frightened of offending them. As I said, many young women have whore fantasies and WANT to be asked an indecent proposal, not so much by a whining college boy with no status, but definitely by a professor or local businessman.

    Meanwhile, an insecure college boy who can’t get the 9s and 10s on campus, would lash out at whom he feels represents his enemy: the professors and local businessmen he’s seen driving off with the campus hotties he wants while he gets the drunk 7s and 8s at 2AM on Saturdays.

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  118. Clearly, all these alpha males are so alpha they have no need to worry about the concept of their time being valuable. You may think it worthwhile to chase young bitches in clubs, bars and malls endlessly, some find it a time sink and bad use of free time. To make your entire life pursuit nothing but landing the lay is to be a slave to pussy.

    You may find the constant need to pander to the emotional roller coaster they require fun. You may give a fuck that you are only supposed to send the sms after 2 days and then tell her to “bring the movies”. You may actually give a fuck about what women think or feel. You may be prepared to spend time “gaming” them. You may find that shit fun. I go through the motions because I like pussy, not because this shit is fun.

    The amount of time you spend “learning game” and hitting on 5 ands 6’s while you get your confidence up is time you could have spent on something worthwhile. Like building fucking bridges or curing cancer. I would rather go fishing than spend a lazy Sunday afternoon chatting up some vapid, soulless eye candy at the after party bars. Thats how boring I find most women when they are not taking it in every hole

    Maybe if you spent your lives trying to be more well rounded, you would realise that this PUA shit alone is nothing more than a male version of the fucking cougar. A loser whose entire purpose in life is the validation sex brings him. A one dimensional dancing monkey who has to entertain women and deal with endless shit tests because your only value to her is in the emotional rollercoaster they enjoy. Is that what your lives are?

    Game is a paper mache, an illusion you try to create while you pretend to be the high status male the men who fuck high class whores often already are. Those “nerdy beta providers” may not land your “free lays”, but while you fuck chicks in club bathrooms he fucks them on his private yacht after driving them there in his nice sportscar. Or he wakes up next to his gold digging 9 in the morning who gives him a blowjob while he enjoys the ocean view from his penthouse, while you wake up next to some hung over club slut who probably sees as much cock, if not more unprotected cock, than the average escort.

    Who is the winner here? I know which lifestyle I would rather be living while I fuck low class sluts, thats for sure.

    I have not fucked a hooker yet, but the day is coming when 500 bucks an hour is a cost saving over the 3-4 hours I need to spend in a bar with no certainty of a casual lay, outside your regular fuck at the time. You always pay for sex, be it time, patience, your wardrobe, entrance to the club, your fidelity or cold hard cash. You always pay.

    I would also like to point out, that for a game guru like Roosh, who sells his advice and is well respected in the community, to publicly admit that he needs 30 approaches on average to land a lay, just goes to show that game is as big an investment as the genuine, real status builders are. If he spent that time on something more worthwhile he would not be living in a basement in his 30’s and he would actually have women approaching him from time to time.

    Game is one facet of a well rounded man, and as such, is one small part of the puzzle that is true status.

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  119. Those with Asperger’s on this forum often lose track of the fact that Alpha and Beta is what the female in the field perceives, not what frustrated chumps in feminist cultures perceive about another guy having fun.

    If a young woman has a whore fantasy that only a man she feels has high status can fulfill, she’s NOT going to be allowing any guy her age to fulfill it, even if he has ready cash.

    I know that sets up resentment among those who are locked out of the fantasy. On my 25th birthday I had a 9 tell me she was also dating a millionaire.

    The problem was she respected the millionaire a lot. The fact that he was paying her monthly rent did not have any bad effect on her view of him. Quite the opposite actually (and this was an upper middle class girl).

    The fact that I was getting for free what he was paying maybe $700 per month for…did NOT make me feel better or like the alpha. In real life, it was clear who the winner was and it wasn’t me. I knew the married guy was shtumping other young guys’ girlfriends and making us all miserable.

    He was paying for a harem and getting the tingles along with that.

    Wishful thinking about young women not respecting their short or long term benefactors (or not having orgasms) is all theoretical and anecdotal and reeks of envy and bitterness more than scientific evaluation or any study of evolutionary biology.

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  120. Game is a paper mache, an illusion…

    no it’s not. you’re just doing it wrong.

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  121. Game is a paper mache, an illusion you try to create while you pretend to be the high status male the men who fuck high class whores often already are.

    and what fictional world are you living in where guys who pay high class prostitutes are supreme alphas. i’d wager that there are a lot more johns who are wealthy schmoes seeking a little relief from their old, fat, nagging wives than there are charlie sheen types.

    in fact, by most accounts a good portion of men who use hookers don’t even end up banging them all the time. they just want to be made to feel like someone respects them and is interested in them. in other words, those guys aren’t even paying for sex. they’re paying for validation.

    I have not fucked a hooker yet, but the day is coming when 500 bucks an hour is a cost saving over the 3-4 hours I need to spend in a bar with no certainty of a casual lay, outside your regular fuck at the time.

    that’s exactly the point, my friend. no risk, no reward.

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  122. Hey Harry,

    Thanks for taking valuable time out of your oh so busy day to “school” us, but I advise you next time to use those precious 20 minutes on further wealth building rather than wasting time talking about shit you know nothing about.

    What you kind of don’t realize is that the wonderful thing about having good game… cuz you don’t… is that it’s oh so efficient and portable. So like if you are at a fund raising event… you can nail some of the attendees. Or if you are like are on a business trip… you can hook up with the girl seated in the row in front of you. Or like if you are out to dinner with business associates, you can pull the hot floor manager.

    Now I’m not a fan of malls in general, but when Christmas comes and you have to pick up gifts anyway, why forgo the opportunity to also find some good service industry pussy? I’m sure that most guys on here spend less time on game than the folks whom you envy, spend on the golf course.

    PS. Everyone on here ain’t broke.

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  123. “Evil, you are such a hypocrite. Now you’re saying that free sex with well worn women is better than you could even imagine sex with a woman who made you pay would be.”

    @Nicole

    Stop the slander.
    I wrote that I can’t imagine that “paid” sex with a sex worker is gonna be nearly as good as free sex with that SAME sex worker. Nothing hypocritical about that…

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  124. Alpha Shmalfa. So many experts here. I have fond memories of all the whores I’ve rogured and don’t care at all if someone, somewhere thinks that classifies me as a “beta”. It ain’t about gettin women it’s about extricating yourself from them.

    “Nothing builds esprit de corps among good friends than a night out in a good whorehouse.”

    Thank you sir, for that fine observation. Unfortunately in America tis all but impossible to enjoy this kind of bonding. Used to be called “The Sportin’ Life”, or “Walkin Down the Line” or “Gone A’Whorin”.

    And high-class vs. low class wrt STDs? Don’t kid yourself, anyone can give you the herps.

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  125. Evil says, “Stop the slander.
    I wrote that I can’t imagine that “paid” sex with a sex worker is gonna be nearly as good as free sex with that SAME sex worker. Nothing hypocritical about that…”

    A distinction without a difference. You argued that ugly/lower value women would increase their perceived value by making a guy wait for sex (taking the hoe route, as the goal is to gain access to the man’s resources). Doesn’t look like demanding payment would have worked in the case of your hookers giving freebies, so I seriously doubt demanding payment on some kind of layaway plan would work in the case of a less adept, especially less hot woman, gunning for a diamond and half.

    I don’t know if your stories are true or not, but assuming that they are, I don’t think a stealth hoe would profit much, if at all, from making you wait. You’d consider them a waste of your time at best, crazy at worst.

    Obviously you are too dominant to go along with such games.

    So you were being a hypocrite…unless the estrogen is clouding my reasoning.

    I don’t see prostitution and marriage as the same thing, but I do understand that some women use it that way. I’m wondering how a guy pimp enough to seduce hardenned prostitutes wouldn’t be pimp enough to see through the waiting game. It just doesn’t add up. I think you do see through it, and in your actual practice, actively filter out the pseudo prudes.

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  126. Roissy, you’re a bitch and you know why.

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  127. Chateau / Roissy,

    I used to live in DC, I used to run the clubs you go to and I used to know guys like you. I used to be a guy like you and I promise you that when you turn 37-40+, or look it, that your ability to pull the 18 year olds will all but vanish. Not even George Clooney can stem the march of time.

    Older men do not have the time to waste fucking around in a bar. We do not have the time to go run game, at 2 am, because we have a life and we have things to do. We do not have the time to go clubbing from 11 to 2, then head back to her place with her friends and hang out until the early hours of the morning.

    Our time is valuable. It has a monetary price tag attached to it, and we know we are going to die one day and that this time of ours is worth a great deal of money.

    Thus, [b]there is no such thing as getting loving sex from any women free of charge[/b]. There never was and never is. No sex is free, my friend. Never was.

    You spend time running game. That costs time and money.
    Hours X Your Hourly Rate = Cost

    You stay up to 5am and cannot work the next day. That costs time and money.

    You are hungover. That costs time and money.

    You buy drinks, you buy clothes, you peacock. That costs money.

    You did not get enough sleep (yes, you cannot stay up all night at 50 as you could when you were 30 years old). That costs time and money.

    All the best,
    Lee
    dontmarry.proboards.com

    P.S. The issue that so many critics of the PUA community have is what you did in your post above. You call those who don’t get laid to your rules and standards names.

    This is what boys did in *Junior High School*. It’s immature, it’s childish, it’s insulting, it’s shaming language, it’s name calling.

    Calling someone a sexual loser or Beta because you judge their sex life unworthy just makes you part of the problem.

    You are insulting the guys to use FUD – fear uncertainty and doubt – to sell them your wares.

    That’s what a Chyck does – she insults a guy based upon his sexual prowess to get him to spend money on her. That’s what a wife does, what a gold-digger does. That’s shaming language and it’s not acceptable.

    It’s not cool. Not cool at all.

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  128. Modern western man is damned. He uses science to destroy morality, he uses money to destroy women, he uses media to destroy his children and he uses drugs to destroy himself. Since he cannot see clearly he blames everyone else. There is no real joy in his life because he doesn’t believe in God.

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  129. Someone ( a man ) once said.

    The sex that you pay for tends to cost less.

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  130. I know someone who was in Athens – Greece around June this year (their Summer) , who on the way back from a night out was shown through some of the brothels in the city’s “Red Light District”

    From what he tells me , these brothels were mainly stocked with Russian and other women from the former Eastern Block and from what he told me , most of them … compared to western women , were model material.

    The cost for their “services” ? Around 30 Euro…. that’s approx $50 US.

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  131. @Nicole

    Rules violation: you continued an old debate from an old thread. Please weigh in on this topic, 😉

    For instance, I am concerned like Lee above that the host is ignoring his former stance on what older men should do when they are no longer sexually attractive to 19 year olds. Audrey was the only person above who even brought up the subject of older guys doing what they sometimes have to do.

    Is Roissy now saying that an ugly 60 year old needs to adjust his sights down to 5s and 6s when 9s and 10s are still available to him for paltry sums?

    ————————-

    In any event, I’m wondering if those visitors with Asperger’s Syndrome (and mainly the feminists who pretend to be males) finally realize that they mistakenly thought this blog was one that severely criticized the idea of paid sexual activity and, like a bunch of junior high school students, mistakenly thought it was right to condemn the activity that got others what they wanted from a hottie.

    Such condemnations are clearly meant to stop people on this blog from trying to devalue entitled young women in general.

    Nothing serves the feminist cause more than the idea that young 9s and 10s need to be “opened with a magic key”.

    Nothing hurts the feminist cause more than saying that a 10 will behave like a 7 when the rent is due.

    A trait of people with Asperger’s is that, if they get a concept stuck in their mind, they cannot be convinced that there are exceptions to the rule or that the rule may be just a theory or, worse, that they originally learned the rule all wrong and/or nobody with any authority or logic was responsible for saying the rule was an agenda item in the first place.

    So some Aspies got the idea that the rule of not buying drinks for female strangers at a bar could be extrapolated into, say, not paying them a nominal amount to let you peek under their skirt at the bar.

    An Aspie brain is hardwired not to see the nuance in such seemingly similar situations that are, in fact, drastically different in context (there is nothing beta about asking a woman to peek under her skirt, paid or unpaid).

    Aspergers might prevent them from finally realizing that the host has finally said that, if a guy can do well with cute women without paying them, he’s not necessarily beta for paying other cute, but less worthwhile women for a quick thrill. No more junior high school shaming is necessary on this blog.

    People with Aspergers need to recognize their affliction and stop coming to Internet forums to dumb down the conversation by screaming simplistic judgments down on others, based on an inflexible and misguided understanding of a somewhat related concept (in this case the rule about not paying women for drinks).

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  132. [Nothing serves the feminist cause more than the idea that young 9s and 10s need to be “opened with a magic key”.]

    This isn’t to say that it isn’t true that they do need to be so opened. Game is necessary whether you try and succeed to get them for free or if you try to convince them to go mercenary (I would recommend that a guy try the former first and then try the latter only after its clear that the woman is either not attracted to him – he might be short or old – or he’s not that interested in anything about her except her body).

    What serves the feminist cause is when one implies that unpaid game is the only acceptable way to get a 10.

    Feminists would say that a short man rejected by a tall woman should have no recourse to offer an incentive to change her mind on the shortness issue.

    A big men’s rights issue is to stop the new US laws making it a felony to solicit paid sexual activity.

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  133. I was just looking at some western Facebook friends profiles.

    Guys in their 50s, rich as hell, but not good looking enough to sexually attract anyone in their 20s anymore (in the west).

    They date women in their early 30s, mostly EE immigrant women who are OK with a 20 year difference. Or they married that.

    If they wanted a 30 year difference they would have to pay in each case (which I don’t yet have to do by a long-shot). It could be subtle, but it would be paying nonetheless.

    That wouldn’t make them beta. It just means that they aren’t that good looking anymore. Game and status (two different things) will be at their limits of effectiveness when there’s a 40 year age difference.

    We’ll all hit the wall in terms of looks at some point. Bruce Willis has finally hit the wall. I know Willis likes strippers.

    When that point comes, a man should have long since decided what he is going to do: settle for the 5s and 6s all the time every day and night until he dies?

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  134. Of course, Bruce Willis didn’t do bad for someone his age last year:

    http://backseatcuddler.com/2009/03/22/bruce-willis-hot-girlfriend-emma-heming-just-married/

    Still, he married this young woman, which is the equivalent of paying her millions to be with him night and day.

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  135. “I used to live in DC, I used to run the clubs you go to and I used to know guys like you. I used to be a guy like you and I promise you that when you turn 37-40+, or look it, that your ability to pull the 18 year olds will all but vanish. Not even George Clooney can stem the march of time.”

    @Lee Ranconteur

    Nope. It completely depends on how old you look, not how old you are. I think the best age a man can look to chicks is 30ish. And by the way, aging adds betanesss. No way around it. You only see 50 year old athletes playing golf, not basketball, football, etc. You motherfucker, need to accept your own mortality!

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  136. oops thats how old you are “perceived” by chicks.

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  137. “If they (men) are looking for a long term relationship at all, then if you have what they are looking for in that, it really doesn’t matter if you have sex with them on the first date, after you first meet in a club or at a festival, or if you meet in the produce section of the grocery store and shag in the bathroom.”

    @Nicole

    LMAO. It is the estrogen! That discussion was a week ago and you decide you want to bring it up again… now. How girly!!

    Anyway, what I actually said was that your quote above is wrong and that you should just admit it. Now stop putting words in my mouth. And please stay on topic.

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  138. “matt: I feel like this whole post is bit beta”

    Let’s step back for a moment and think about this.

    There’s Roissy, who is so good at getting women, that just by typing, he’s able to get guys like me laid by fucking hot women. That’s the guy you’re calling beta. Sure, I have to read some right wing rants every now and then, but the fact of the matter is, I’m dating models now, and I never was before I started reading this blog. Okay, so that’s Roissy.

    Then there’s you, who talks about going to prostitutes to have sex.

    Good one, mate.

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  139. Roissy,

    Have you ever thought about moving to Thailand? You could blog from there and your American money will go a lot further. For $20 you can pick up a young hot bar girl, which is cheaper than a dinner date in the US (of course). Of course, you have to make sure that “she” isn’t a katoey (they get their Adam’s apple shaved now so there’s really no telling)! The downside is that plane trip, which is about $1,500 in the off season, so you have to stay there awhile to make it worthwhile.

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  140. If you pay for sex or sexual enticement (i.e., strippers and lap dances) because you can’t get any loving from women free of charge, you are a beta (or, more precisely, an omega).

    Umm, don’t kid yourself, since nearly any sex with a decent – or especially an attractive – woman is going to cost a guy, in one way or another.

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  141. A big age gap is a barrier to getting to know women in the first place, not so much to getting them to like you once they know you. (This is true for age gaps in either direction, by the way.) If your game depends not on sparking immediate attraction but on gradual revelation of your awesomeness, you can slip past the shields, but this only makes sense in non-pickup contexts. Of course you still have to make the most of your looks, physical condition, energy, etc.

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  142. I agree with the commenters on here that what age a guy is makes a difference. For example, a 55 year old guy might be able to use looks and game to date women 10 to 15 years younger. An attractive 25 year old girl, however, would be outside the range of possibility. In that case, would paying an attractive 25 year girl for sex or lap dances be omega behavior?

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  143. Shawn,
    Maybe if Thai men spent a little less time prostituting themselves out to foreigners and a little more time improving the standard of living in their country, Thai women wouldn’t have to sell their bodies for $20 a pop.

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  144. Worrying about what’s alpha, beta or omega is beta.

    The problem with paying for sex is that you are perpetuating the problem. People on this blog are always arguing about what a man is supposed to be. Well, compromising your self respect to indulge your sexual urges is below omega.

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  145. @Mark

    Roissy just tried to definitively say that this kind of behavior is value neutral if the guy also dates other hotties for free (he’s making the assumption in the above post that there would be lots of older hot women to make up for the really young hot women who wouldn’t date a man who looked 55).

    Moreover, as in more important than what Roissy thinks, Alpha + Beta + Omega are determined by the young women themselves (I’m talking non-professionals here) and, believe me, on this subject they (normal young women) think completely differently from the few bottom dwellers lurking on this blog ready to attack older guys for having fun.

    In real life, pay zero attention to anyone on this forum who behaves like a junior high school shamer. This type is almost always a certain feminist who keeps changing her identity from thread to thread, often pretending she’s a male. By contrast, the young woman Audrey posted above that men over 40 get a pass from young women for feeling they have to pay sometimes.

    Its false mythology to believe a 20 year old will lose respect for a 55 year old who’s already established DHVs, pre-selection and other important building blocks of game before politely and often jokingly making an indecent proposal. In fact, its a big neg for him to tell a woman she’s worth only $100 to him. Women love assholes and its definitely an asshole thing to tell a normal woman that she should step over to the dark side for a paltry sum.

    But that’s where the whore fantasy syndrome comes into play. As long as the older guy is not repulsive and as long as he exudes status for his age, she’ll enjoy whatever she ends up doing, which won’t always go as far as intercourse (but release from a 10 is better than intercourse with a 7 in my book).

    You’ll find that all 9s and 10s are used to getting such proposals from much older men. If the 55 year old man knows for sure that she won’t be dating him the regular way (or more likely if he finds her too immature and not marriage material), he’d be surprised by what her reaction might be if he asked. My experience is that the worst that can happen is she says no. In almost all cases the woman started to respect me more.

    Q.E.D – the feminist propaganda that women will respect a high status man less for wanting to pay for things, is completely that = propaganda. Older women do not want older men to know they will be respected if they choose to follow this option.

    Remember the host implying above that a 55 or 60 year old man would have to have a cute girlfriend in order to win a “free pass from the Chateau” to pay 19 year olds for fun?

    Well that’s theory. In reality, it would be foolish for that 55 year old guy to get a token 40 year old hottie as an LTR girlfriend just so a few feminists (or maybe a poverty stricken bitter young male) on this blog won’t criticize him if he were ever to write about getting a lap-dance from a 19 year old or becoming the full time sugar daddy of a 21 year old sorority girl at the local college.

    So do what you want Mark. Just don’t post about it here if you don’t want to battle the occasional feminist harpie.

    I’m in my late 40s and my main local girlfriend is 25 and an 8. For me things start to break down a bit at the 30 year difference level (the 18 year olds), but only for 9s and 10s, not 7s and 8s.

    Obviously I say I’m whatever much younger age a woman guesses when I say “how old do you think I am”.

    The reality on the ground is mostly as some of the older guys just said above: it gets hard for an older guy to deal with the immaturity of the 18-21 crowd and an older guy’s time starts to be worth more money than he’s willing to flush away by wasting too many hours in a club.

    And if a young woman isn’t relationship material and looks like she’ll deteriorate below a 9 before she turns 21, it doesn’t make sense to enter anything long term with her no matter what age the man is.

    So:

    1) Game 19 year olds for free fun and expect success
    2) If it doesn’t look like you’re going to get a free ONS and you don’t want to actually date an immature young woman who isn’t marriage material, you can suggest an incentive to bring her home on your schedule, not on hers.

    While I’d respect a social conservative for not wanting to do that on moral grounds, anyone who would not want to do that because he might get criticized by a harpie on this blog, would have to be a closet fag.

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  146. Jerry, Evil, you’re right. Some are kittens, and some are well groomed pit bulls. Guess which I am. Heheheh…

    I don’t think paying for sex is bad or less alpha than getting it for “free”. In fact, the woman who gets bought understands that she’s the “product” and doesn’t mean more than this to the guy paying her.

    Whatever a hot chick playing for pay may tell herself to boost her ego rings as hollow as ugly girls saying, “He’s intimidated by my intelligence/strength/whatever,” after finding out a guy was just slump busting.

    They’re better off accepting the reality of their position.

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  147. on November 5, 2010 at 2:29 pm Doyourownresearch

    Laura?

    Soo.. you cost much more, do you Laura? Just like a princess… only concerned with her treasure chest. Don’t want the life of the “below average way of living” do you?

    You seem to confuse love with material women? I know you don’t understand, I’m way ahead of you Ms princess.

    You see gentlemen, it’s all about what cost you more? The ones who are use to a higher standard of living or the ones who are not. There is love in every country but in other areas of the world it’s so much cheaper.

    I think I remember some one saying before…. True love is when a woman loves a man without proviso.

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  148. Doyourownresearch,
    It isn’t just about money. It is just that some men come on here and talk about how places like Thailand are so great because you can buy a hooker for $20. Maybe that is great for them, I’m just not sure that is so great for the people living in Thailand and their national pride. I don’t really know much about the country, but it sounds like prostitution is the profession of choice for a lot women living there.

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  149. You can’t win on economics alone. If your country is poor, your women will whore themselves out to foreigners. If your country is rich, your women become insufferable shrews.

    The only two ways to win is if your women are not attractive, or you’re so fcking alpha you kill them and whoever gets near them.

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  150. …metaphorically speaking

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  151. on November 5, 2010 at 3:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’I think I remember some one saying before…. True love is when a woman loves a man without proviso.”””””’

    I have reached that level it is pretty cool.

    At the same time it is like achieving every other thing.

    It is predicted and expected.

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  152. This discussion is strange.

    Sex is sex. Get it anyway you want. Given my age, I pay for it. I like it that way. Quicker, easier, more variety, and higher quality. On my terms. I don’t have time to chase women even if my age were no barrier. That’s a boy’s game.

    When I turned 52 and had my midlife crisis, I used to think, “God, I wish I were 26 again.”

    Now, that I am a lot older than 52, I think to myself, “Thank God. I will never be 26 again.”

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  153. Tell it, Gramps.

    One time I took my sons to look at some used cars. The door of the crappy apartment next to the lot opened and a grinning old geezer let a ho back out into the street. She immediately sensed my respect for her professionalism and looked me in the eye as a potential client. I let her walk past with no smirking disrespect.

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  154. Seeing as though the results of the sexual revolution have been socialized largely on the backs of men, I dont see the problem in seeing whores one way or another. At least they are honest in what they want.

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  155. on November 6, 2010 at 11:13 pm Doyourownresearch

    >>>>>>>>>>>You can’t win on economics alone. If your country is poor, your women will whore themselves out to foreigners. >>>>>>>>>>

    So we agree… there are high priced whores and low priced whores 🙂

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  156. […] — Feminists Agitate To Ban Paternity Testing, Paying For Sex, The Times Of The Year You Should Watch Your Woman […]

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  157. [I dont see the problem in seeing whores one way or another. At least they are honest in what they want.]

    The vast majority of paid sex opportunities comes from non-professionals who are NOT any more honest in what they want than any other woman is. You have to talk with them (normal game needed to establish attraction or at least status/respect) and learn that they secretly long to be treated like a whore, complete with payments for specific actions. Joke around with normal women on the subject, ask them about the movie “Indecent Proposal” and you’ll be surprised what you’ll learn. If a woman says she would take the million dollars, that means she’d also take at least 4 zeroes less. Take the cues. Don’t let chivalry stop you from listening to what she’s really saying.

    This issue is actually more of a problem for men who believe in CHIVALRY than it is for women raised on “Sex and the City”. Chivalry and victim-oriented-feminism go hand in hand.

    Chivalry says that “normal women” (non-pros) would never think of taking money for sexual activity of any kind (including watching a guy strip) and would be offended and call the police if a man asks…or they would suddenly consider him to be a desperate loser. None of this is true.

    The main thing going through the head of a woman you just made an indecent proposal to:

    “At least he’s honest in what he wants”.

    And, of course, we all know that most women these days will pay to see men strip. Why not ask them to pay to see you do it?

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  158. I’ve been doing some webcam chat with a 20 year old girl who lives in my city. We reached an agreement last night where she would quit her job and become my fuck buddy on command for $200 per month – her current salary.

    At night she’ll go home to take care of her kid. She’s had no sex in 7 months, since her husband left her.

    My plan is to give her a few light duties, and have her be my morning fuck, leaving the evenings open for dating. In any case, she won’t be getting underfoot.

    Cute kid, but the only disturbing thing is she’s only used to 15 minute fucks from a wee local boy. She had a webcam expression of horror when I mentioned my appetites.

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  159. I prefer professional services.

    If I have a legal problem I want a lawyer, not an amateur who “knows something” about the law. If I’m sick I want a licensed physician, not an amateur who “knows something” about medicine.

    High quality talent is worth what you pay for it.

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  160. So no, I don’t think paying for sex is beta. It’s neutral.

    I had first date free sex two nights ago, and my hot 21 year old previously virgin girl will be here in a few hours, and I have several dates lined up this week and into the next.

    I make good money. Why not pay a girls silly little salary? After finishing our negotiations, I felt an inner happiness.

    Needless to say.

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  161. I don’t see why paying for sex is an issue. All kinds of men pay for sex. Losers who can’t get women in real life pay for it. Guys with attractive wives and girlfriends at home pay. Some pay them to leave afterward. Some pay just for someone to talk to.

    Take professional athletes, for example. NFL players and other athletes have been known to use the services of prostitutes. These guys could get any girls they wanted but they still go for whores. Most of them probably already have attractive wives and multiple attractive girlfriends. But since they can afford it, they might choose bang a few hookers as well.

    The truth is, if you made a lot of cheap attractive prostitutes available, then every guy would pay for it. Paying for sex is expensive and not particularly convenient in some wealthier countries. That is why more men don’t do it.

    Take the average “alpha male”, who sleeps with lots of women for free. Give him an all expense paid trip to Thailand. Give him a generous daily cash allowance, and see how fast he starts fraternizing with the ladies of ill-repute.

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  162. @onetime

    A lot of women become professionals because they are hypersexual.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexuality

    If ‘She’s gotta have it”, she can’t hold down a regular job anyway, so … Lots of pros and pornstars fall into this category in my experience.

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  163. I give my girlfriend taxi money each time she leaves my apartment. I give her 5 bucks, and the taxi costs about $1.50.

    Beta, or not?

    That’s not even a question, guys. It’s a non-issue.

    When a guy is broke, he can still game. I’ve done most of my dating living hand to mouth. I often used to cut my own hair, and my shoes were tattered.

    But that doesn’t mean it’s a golden rule of dating that you have to be stingy.

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  164. I also think that it is wise to push a woman’s attraction buttons by sending out beta provider signals.

    Whether you bait and switch, or not, those buttons are there to be pushed. It’s part of the seduction process to play her like a musical instrument – so why avoid the black keys?

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  165. I’ve started a few great relationships with a bait and switch.

    I always pick up the dinner and drinks tabs.

    A woman likes to feel taken care of. Safe. That someone has her back and her interests at heart. That there is someone there she can rely on.

    Exploit that. Use it to your advantage.

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  166. I find that many men are not good at understanding what their own interests are. Someone up-thread commented that you compromise yourself by giving into and becoming a slave of your sexuality, and therefore paying for sex was a sign of weakness. I think that attitude is a sign of unclear thinking. Very muddled, two headed, mind body split thinking.

    Once you know what your interests are, you go after them.

    If you are interested in sex, you go after the quantity and quality of sex that you want.

    I don’t believe that we can choose what we want. We can alter what we want, but we can’t choose it. I can’t choose to be gay. And I can’t choose to be a low libido man. Knowing what you want without a need to control it is the first step in taking action to getting it. To living a fulfilled life.

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  167. And Jerry has really been on point about this issue. A great many guys, who show no signs of real life experience, talk about “game” and being “alpha” as if this were some video game we were playing, and that cheating wasn’t allowed.

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  168. About those NFL guys paying for sex. Obviously, they are paying for quality, convenience and discretion.

    If you are playing football and/or married, you just don’t have time or opportunity to game women. And, if you are rich, you don’t have the incentive to go looking for free stuff. Grabbing sex in some opportune moment, like that one poster above who had free sex in a stairwell at a party, is hardly attractive. And, highly dangerous for a famous person.

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  169. @ Evil Alpha.

    EA Wrote: “Nope. It completely depends on how old you look, not how old you are.”

    I believe I was very clear:

    LR Wrote: “…when you turn 37-40+, or ***look it***…”

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  170. Here are circumstances where a guy might cheat on the video game Xsplat said is virtually going on in the minds of some readers:

    1) Target is more than 2 points higher on the looks scale (the Chateau says game can get you 2 points higher than you are but, if the average guy in a fem-entitled culture is perceived by women as a 4, then game alone is going to apparently just help the average porn-loving Joe get a 6).

    2) Target is more than 30 points lower on the IQ scale but still a 9 or 10. Dumb girls refuse to normally date men who are a lot smarter rather than just a little smarter.

    3) Target is more than 30 years younger (while still being an adult) and behaves either immature or not particularly attracted to the guy physically (while still looking up to his status).

    4) Guy has, time-wise, no more MLTR (harem) slots open but the target seems to expect him to date her a little first. He has no intention of following that option. He tries to f close normally but fails. He can either walk away or get his friend Ben Franklin to put in a good word.

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  171. “I believe I was very clear:

    I used to be a guy like you and I promise you that when you turn 37-40+, or look it, that your ability to pull the 18 year olds will all but vanish.

    @Lee Raconteur

    Yes you were clear… and you were wrong! Unless by look 37-40+ you meant obese and driving a Cadillac.

    Please note my clarification in an above comment that by “look” I mean how women view a man. A man who looks 37-40 and acts/is perceived as youthful will STILL be able to pull young women (18-24)… routinely. I know a guy who just turned 39 and his current girl is 24. Those that preceded her were all 20 somethings. I also know a 42 year old restaurant owner who routinely beds the 19, 20 & 21 year olds on his staff. It caused his divorce.

    Acting old is the biggest reason 37-40+ men have a hard time banging young chicks. Stop talking about your 401k!

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  172. Beyond sex what does a woman REALLY offer?

    YOu can’t trust one with anything and you have to play endless mind games to get what you want or even maintain what you have.

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  173. Now the other shoe is dropping.

    I will explain why this has been such an important issue for me to get across on this blog:

    Israel is now moving to, like Sweden, make males CRIMINALS for paying for sex. If Israel falls to the feminists, then more countries and US states will succumb.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2010-10-24/world/israel.women.trafficking_1_trafficking-prostitution-legislation?_s=PM:WORLD

    http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/24/women-go-on-sale-at-tel-aviv-shopping-center/

    These asshole feminists simply don’t know where to stop.

    And with asshole White Knighters agreeing with them that paying for sex is bad, their next step is simply to make it illegal…for the MALES. PERIOD.

    You will soon have NO option here.

    The more any asshole here tries to pretend that its Omega or even Beta to buy a 10 once in a while, the MORE POWER feminists will know they have to throw men in prison or ruin their lives for this.

    @Roissy

    You’ve been queasy on this issue recently, possibly because your current girlfriend reads the blog or you like seducing some blog groupies…or whatever.

    But Israel – that asshole country of feminist “males” is about to follow Sweden in making men criminals for paying for sex.

    I’d think Men’s Rights Advocates better get going to stop this.

    I, for one, have finally had enough of protecting Israel.

    US foreign policy needs to stop guaranteeing that US males will give their lives for the feminist males of Israel.

    Up until today, I thought otherwise. I was a big supporter of Israel. But this bullshit is a watershed moment.

    CNN needs to be put out of business for that one-sided report and their obvious hatred of normal guys.

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  174. Nothing wrong with paying for sex. I once left a tip on a dresser while he was asleep.

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  175. Sex is easy to get, those who brag about being a ladies man are idiots. True alpha’s know it’s all just a bunch of stupid monkeys who are ruled by their more base instincts.

    When you get out of the status game and faux oneupmanship you’ll see there are real human beings underneath those primal urges.

    Truth is the PUA community is just a bunch of teenagers who live in an age of a deeply repressed society, and then when they start doing normal things many cultures never had issues of repression with for 1000’s of years, they all suddenly think they are all-stars and gods gift.

    Nonsense.

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  176. Stiletto

    Nothing wrong with paying for sex. I once left a tip on a dresser while he was asleep.

    i understand thats pretty much standard practice in your native country

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  177. […] He’s in rare form in the comments here, here (this thread is really good), here, here (some repeats early, but then he gets going), and here. […]

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