Chicks Don’t Dig Poindexters

CH has traditionally been agnostic on the burning question of whether chicks dig smart men because they’re smart or because male smartness is correlated with some other attractive male trait. It has been our contention that smarts alone do nothing for vagina tingles, unless the smarts are leveraged into wit, humor, and adult-themed teasing.

Smarts, too, will help a man better understand and apply the principles of Game. The sweet spot for male smarts is an above-average IQ that is coupled to a robust EQ. The biggest haters of game are either dumb “bros” who scoff at any idea that’s more mentally taxing than the philosophy found in beer commercials, or smart but socially maladroit spergs who lack the concrete field experience with women to accept that it’s possible to attract women without being a Hollywood star.

The Heartiste Dating Market Value Test for Men has a category devoted to IQ, and pussy-parting points are given to a man if he has an above-average intelligence, but deducted from him if he has a below-average or a well above-average IQ.

15.  What is your IQ?

Under 85:  -1 point
85 to 110:  0 points
110 to 130:  +1 point
130 to 145:  0 points
over 145:  -1 point

This scoring system reflects the reality any man who has lived a day in his life has observed: super smart men are often nerdy and weird, and that turns off women (or at best is considered a neutral attribute by women), while dumb men without compensating attractiveness traits will turn off women who aren’t dumb themselves.

And now here comes the confirmatory ♂SCIENCE♂ adding heft to the humble CH formula.

Human general intelligence (g) has been hypothesized to be an indicator of genomic mutation load and under sexual selection for indirect genetic benefits (‘good genes’ for the offspring), implying that high g should be sexually attractive. People clearly report preferences and assortatively mate for intelligence, but these effects can be due to direct phenotypic benefts of g and social homogamy.

I am on record stating that the “assortative mating” phenomenon of late 20th-early 21st century America isn’t driven so much by women preferring smart Ivy nerds (or by men preferring smart Ivy nerdgirls, as HBD nerd-triumphalists like to claim) as it is driven by simple convenience: people tend to date whomever is readily available within their social milieu, which one could call a “dating market bottleneck”.

Measured male g had no effect on female short-term attraction, but a small positive effect on long-term attraction, though only after extraversion and independently rated physical attractiveness were controlled.

Kneejerk nerd-defenders like LotB are chastened by this news.

The minor male attractiveness boost of intelligence to women thinking about the male subject as a long-term relationship prospect is caused by two factors:

  1. the readout from an innate mate assessment algorithm women possess which informs them of the “dad” quality of potential suitors, and
  2. the tendency of women to conflate intelligence with extraversion and looks. (We all know that social king with the wisecracking, uninhibited tongue who comes across smarter than he really is.)

Revenge of the nerds? Not quite:

Overall we found no support for intelligence being sexually attractive to women on first encounters, and limited support that it increases initial impression of the potential as a long-term romantic partner.

Someone alert the feminist industrial simplex: Women are shallow!

A commenter at Dr. Thompson’s sums it up pithily,

Mensa has no groupies.

A brief excursion into helix-gazing abstraction:

Taken together with very limited support for an association between g and mutation load in the currently available genomic data, these results cast doubt on the hypothesis that g is an indicator of genetic fitness under ‘good genes’ sexual selection.

I always thought that the best indicator of genetic fitness was, in women, their youth and beauty, and consequently their ability to induce my boner. (Women’s IQ plays little to no role in men’s sexual arousal. As no man ever said, “Dayum, that’s a fine-looking grad school degree you got, baby!”) It now appears men’s smarts play nearly as insignificant a role in female attraction.

Now, point of contention, I don’t actually think this is entirely true, based on the simple objection that the men I personally know (a large-ish number) who are good with HSMV women are also smarter than the average bear. But.. and this is a big but… those men are also socially savvy and self-confident, no doubt both of which traits are benefited by their respectable smarts. And they mostly hit on SWPL chicks who would probably not give the time of day to slow men who had trouble parsing their snark-heavy conversations.

No man reading this post should despair that he has a high IQ. There is no end to the ways in which being smart/alpha/sexy is better than being dumb/beta/scalzied. The study results merely suggest that smarts ALONE aren’t sufficient to attract women. You need something else, like charisma, humor, or… wait for it… POWER RAPE. As another commenter at Thompson’s put it,

Intelligence doesn’t need to be *inherently* attractive in order to make its possessors more attractive. Assuming ‘power’ is still “the ultimate aphrodisiac,” intelligence can be useful for getting it, showing it, faking it, and wresting it from unfavorable circumstances. Therefore, I don’t see this finding as necessarily dampening the hopes of shy intellectual men.

Precisely. A smart man has a leg up on a dumber man in one crucial respect in the sexual market: he has the brainpower to better understand women and therefore to sell himself to women more effectively.

PS There’s a not-so-hidden trove of dystopian nightmare material peeking through this study, for those who want to amuse themselves with supporting evidence for the Heartistian theory that unconstrained, liberated female sexuality (in conjunction with restricted, regulated male sexuality) necessarily leads to dysgenic reproductive patterns.





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  1. There’s a not-so-hidden trove of distopian nightmare material peeking through day-to-day street reality anymore

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    • I have met hot chicks who, yes, liked geeky guys, guys who weren’t athletic and whatnot, preferred guys who were smart. Smart is a better guarantor of offspring success than any game you can play or bullshit script you can throw at them. Genuine smarts, not the smarts to play games. In fact, it is typically when I expose my outlier IQ that women start getting most interested, or at least relieved that I am not just another very good looking sculpture-like physique having douchebag.

      Most women, though, are not like this. But WGAF what women like? I care what I like and what I’m doing. If they want along for the ride, hop in, otherwise, gfy.

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      • I’ve found that there’s a threshold intelligent level where a girl will get turned on by being confounded at every turn by intelligence and where her eyes will glaze over and she just goes “Whaaat isss thaaaat…..” Generally speaking, if OMIGOD is part of her vocabulary, thrust and parry about political systems is going to turn her off faster than a bat to the head.

        However, there is DEFINITELY a class of girl who gets mad crazy over a guy who can even BS her intelligently. I can’t explain it…..but its the kind of conversation where she knows you’re just parrying her by wielding knowledge in a way that you both know isn’t entirely correct, but that’s not the point….its correct enough. Its VERY subtle. Its not an encyclopedic actual argument, but more like a half-assed big-IQ dick contest with her. I’ve seen girls literally go man-crazy over me to the point where bystanders are like “dafuq is with her….she’s melting”

        You know you are having this kind of conversation when she’s short-circuiting with an enraptured face but your buddies have been silent for the past ten minutes because the entire exchange was way over their head.

        That’s some delicious shit. But it only works on the top 15% of smart chicks.

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      • on September 26, 2015 at 6:49 am Obviously Cap'n

        Since forever I have been trying to warn dudes that if PIV is all you care about [as opposed to, say, MOAR WHYTE BABEEZ], then you simply must tailor all of your lines [from your opener all the way through to whatever you’re whispering in her ear as you’re yanking her ponytail or faux-choking her neck or whatever and finally entering the actual insertion phase of PIV] to be IQ APPROPRIATE. I used to try to tease out YaReally on this question – some of his techniques were getting so almost baroque-ly [or rococo-ly] complicated that it would be insanely difficult to re-calibrate them on the fly if he had either misunderestimated or misoverestimated his target’s IQ. And I’d also argue that it’s precisely the re-calibration on the fly which distinguishes the Master from the mere Novitiate.

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      • on September 26, 2015 at 6:57 am Obviously Cap'n

        tldr; == If you wanna dip it in a dumb chick, then you gotta learn to fake yourself some dumbery. But here’s a Pro Tip for the Masters: If you wanna dip it in a super smart chick, then fake the dumbery [like you would with a dumb chick], but drop just enough hints that it’s all nothing but an act and then she’s kinda confused but also she’s also kinda/sorta proud of herself when she figures out that she can be in on the joke herself. Plus she also gets to be proud that she actually bagged herself a smart guy with some authentically masculine ballz between his legs.

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  2. Lots of questions on the DMV quiz make no sense, particularly the weighting given to different questions. This is one of them. All other things being equal, saying that a guy with an IQ of 85 (borderline retarded) is equal to a guy with an IQ of 135 (smart but not unusual) in terms of DMV makes no sense. Most charismatic leaders have IQs in the 135-145 range.

    [CH: exceptions. also, the DMV is not a scientifically rigorous testing methodology. it was slapped together in a pique of giddy pranksterism, and though it is more truthful than misleading, it could use some tweaking to bring it more in line with reality.]

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    • 135 IQ is top 1%. Most top leaders are below 130.

      Besides you being incorrect about everything, the rest of it sounds good.

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      • Are those Cheetos on your shirt extra crispy or regular?

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      • Butt Sausage — Wrong. Look up IQ results on most world leaders and you will see that they are almost all above 130. Even W. supposedly has an IQ of 125. It is virtually impossible to navigate the sea of political power with an IQ below 130.

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    • Seemed accurate. Maxes out at 120, which is supposedly where most leaders are.

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    • on September 25, 2015 at 6:26 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Considering the focus of this blog, it’s ironic that this post doesn’t take into account race and ethnicity of women who prefer smart or stupid men. This plays a major role.

      From top to bottom, these are my life observations:

      Jewish women will get turned on by your big bookcase or knowledge of arcane subjects. This is not a joke; I’ve experienced this and been able to bat way out of my league with Jewish women because I’m super-articulate about a lot of quirky topics. Asians will like you if you have good grades — most of you know the drill here.

      White women are in the middle. They don’t go for idiots, but you can’t be too smart. This is the group you need to dumb it down for. Just talk a lot about football and how the Colts (or whoever) are gonna “Go all the way!” and you should register fine on their conformity meter. You need to calibrate with average women and it can be tough, but it’s doable.

      Bringing up the bottom are black women, Hispanic women, and darker-skinned white women like the lower-class Italian-Americans. You do, in fact, need to be borderline retarded to date a lot of these women. And since these groups see tattoos as an indicator of machismo, you’d better have some of those as well. So it’s hard to dumb it down to this level, but luckily most of the women at the bottom are not ones you’re gonna be looking at anyway.

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      • I can’t agree with this…joo women adore niggers. They crave them. So much so it’s a running joke for those in the know. Had a pretty attractive black chick friend at one point, she talked about getting hit on excessively, I asked “were they jews?” “you know they were.” We were both aware. Happened to her all the time. Black guy friend buff dude, athlete, joo women always giving him the eye…he didn’t know; when I told him, he was like “oh shit, so that’s why…” and recounted all the times it’d happened to him.

        White chicks are all over the map…they like intelligence as well, just find better stock. Any chick that cares about feetsball is not worth a 2nd bang. However, many find too many facts boring…you have to be charming and say it with passion.

        Asians for me have been all over the map too, can’t say that i thought any of them really cared about it…typically they are just happy to be with someone masculine. The black women I have been with have idolized my intellect. Just because they know I’m so far out of their league in the brains department, their ovaries must be registering dollar signs or something.

        As for Hispanics, again, widely varies…I’ve never had a chick think get turned off by being too smart, despite that I can go into detail on topics like integral calculus and such shit that they simply do not even understand at any level whatsoever. I could be making it up and they wouldn’t know the difference. Knowledge is power and it’s about how you wield the power. A girl, when faced with overwhelming intellect, tends to simply understand the power, especially if you have been able to monetize it.

        Guys who are finding themselves excessively abstruse for chicks would be well-served to buy expensive shoes and watches.

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      • In his conversation with David Duke, Tommy Sotomayor (black guy) recounted a story about a Jewish woman he had casual hook-ups with, who when he wanted to be her official boyfriend told him simply “we don’t do that.” He was like “But I thought you were all into that racial justice and equality and what not.” “Ha ha yeah we don’t do that.”

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      • “Jewish women will get turned on by your big bookcase or knowledge of arcane subjects”

        Doesn’t their culture require their hottest women to marry the most educated (e.g. rabbi) or prosperous (e.g. doctor/lawyer) guys? You know, like Western culture used to?

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    • on September 26, 2015 at 7:11 am Obviously Cap'n

      > “a pique of giddy pranksterism” ——— The older I get, the more I wonder whether ALL ACTS OF GENIUS originated in precisely that fashion. And, if so, then that would be precisely why Gramscian Eskimos and John Dewey’s Edumakashun Industrial Complex and the Ritalin/Adderall Pharmaceutical Industrial Complex have to wage these scorched earth tactics in their War against Boys – precisely so as to destroy any possible vestiges of “giddy pranksterism” in Amurikkkun boyz.

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      • on September 26, 2015 at 7:21 am Obviously Cap'n

        Think about – Archimedes in the bathtub with the “golden” crown, Newton getting hit on the head with the apple, Beethoven working secretly for a decade or more to produce a great big middle finger to Rome with his magnum opus [the Missa Solemnis], the frigging Wright Brothers in the back of the bicycle shop with the audacity to think that they could not only invent aerodynamics out of thin air but then actually get it to work in reality – those are all piques of giddy pranksterism.

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      • Play is a ridiculously important part of maleness, male bonding (not just with other males see: game, also: player), male creativity and male ingenuity.

        Much of feminism’s finger-wagging and shushing is connected i feel.

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  3. So I’m alone at my office with the GF this morning, we’re having coffee and Danish and she’s making her ingenue chit-chat, which I hate listening to on the phone, but love in person because I can watch her precise Slavic enunciation, carried over to English and periodically making blowjob shapes of her lips, and I can take in her beauty while ignoring it at as far as she knows (the ultimate goal of Commandment X – enjoy and ignore at the same time).

    But she’s looking at her watch now and again ’cause there’s stuff to do, even though she knows the unspoken reason behind this get together is to bang. I can see she’s wondering if there really is enough time.

    I’m thinking ‘I really don’t want to run out of time here.’ I’m holding her eyes, and though I’m far from a natural actor and have really only seen it once on one of Justin’s videos or something, I decide to try the laser gaze. I don’t even know what I’m doing really, just narrow my eyes and pretend my gaze is a spear at her heart. I haven’t said a word for two minutes – no chance to get one in if I wanted to. The laser takes maybe half a second. Instantly, she leaves her chair, she’s in my lap and she’s unbuttoning my shirt.

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    • on September 25, 2015 at 5:09 pm The Spirit Within

      One of my girls has told me that she can be seduced by eye contact alone, if it’s powerful enough.

      Jack Nicholson should teach a seminar.

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    • Sean – good stuff. It was the time you were looking at her not talking WHILE you were thinking about sex with her that worked her up. That action – whether talking or not – of thinking about sex with her is what is subcommunicating your desire. Not the half second of laser. That helps but the other stuff is more powerful.

      State transfer.

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      • on September 26, 2015 at 7:34 am Obviously Cap'n

        > “State transfer” ——— Sort of a cross between the infinite feedback loop which is the hamster spinning out of control and the best of nerd-phantasy:

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  4. […] Chicks Don’t Dig Poindexters […]

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  5. By my observation, given normal male sexual market attributes, it’s best when a man is 10-15 IQ points higher than the woman. That satisfies one facet of her hypergamy. She sees him as smart but they can still relate to each other.

    Couples in which the man is visibly dumber than the woman usually involve a female that’s damaged in some way, or the male is a “sex toy” fuck buddy that has a strong compensating sexual market attribute, usually asshole game.

    [CH: right. i was thinking about fleshing out that part of the post, but you nailed it here. noticeably dumb men who get a lot of decent-looking women are usually thugs, ZFG jerkboys, or blissfully ignorant jocks who don’t mind being used as psyche emollient by cracked pussy.]

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    • “cracked pussy”….fucking hilarious. And nasty as fuck!

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    • noticeably dumb men who get a lot of decent-looking women are usually thugs, ZFG jerkboys, or blissfully ignorant jocks who don’t mind being used as psyche emollient by cracked pussy.]

      Men with low IQs actually need to be alpha to get poontang more than high-IQ men. No woman wants a dumb beta male, who wouldn’t satisfy either the alpha fux nor the beta bux side of the equation.

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  6. Good post. High IQ alone not a deal maker but when you add wit, definitely helps. Women also seem to gravitate toward narcissistic men (who tend to be highly intelligent). A weakness.

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    • By wit you mean high brain speed alloyed with creativity. These are the forms of intelligence that make a man attractive to women, and to men in fact. The ability to whale all over IQ tests and remember a million arcane facts, or even absorb entire subjects in-depth, is sexy only to your employer and college profs.

      The two above intelligences will help a man score with women because they give him confidence in social situations — a man with a fast and creative mind will be good at saying the right thing in a given situation and at keeping a conversation interesting and lively. Because he has these gifts, he will thus have confidence in social situations. It’s a virtuous cycle. And none of it can be earned in any way, other than by inducing mania thru drugs, sleep deprivation, and/or vigorous exercise.

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      • Well said hard9bf, the art of conversation has been lost on many. When one can use intelligence, wit and humor to keep it going it ups the game considerably.

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  7. […] The real reason we still don’t have cities on the moon. […]

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  8. Three of the four best pickup artists I’ve known in my life, had PhD’s in Theoretical physics from elite universities, and the fourth was a Caltech Biology Prof. Another person presumably in this elite company would be CH himself, who pretty clearly has a very high verbal intelligence.

    There are a lot of high IQ guys who can’t communicate at all. In fact its practically the norm. They get bored to tears in school and there’s nobody around worth talking to since everybody else is an idiot. They study physics or mathematics which is interesting, and give up on learning to talk.

    What women value, I believe, is articulateness. This explains why kids develop the ability to understand and make themselves understood at an early age, and then suddenly get much better at grammar around puberty. It also explains why poets and musicians drive women wild. I expect language abilities evolved primarily under sexual selection. You don’t need to be articulate to organize a mammoth hunt. just make yourself understood a bit. The most important thing about articulateness evolutionarily– certainly about getting your grammar and such right– is that it helps you to get laid. Try picking up chicks online with bad grammar and spelling and see where it gets you.

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    • How does this square with the reality (at least as I’ve seen it) that women react better to foreign men who speak the woman’s language less-than-perfectly?

      I live in Japan and speak the language without much of an accent; I’d put myself in the top 5% or so among immigrants; certainly among Western immigrants. But the better my Japanese is, the less appealing I am to women. When I’m tired and the words aren’t coming out as smoothly as they usually do, somehow women are more interested. Exoticity can’t be that much more important than articulateness, can it?

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      • Apparently it is.

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      • When I’m over there I just say “Me likey”. Asian girls just love being the butt of sexist racism.

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      • Probably talking about slight differences here but, could also be seen as more deferential to their culture and/or trying to impress (beta?) if you speak more properly, and as more alpha if your speech isn’t as good indicating you aren’t trying to impress and/or are somewhat more indifferent to their culture (and hence them).

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      • I’m just guessing here, but maybe you are not all that articulate at your best, compared to native Japanese. When you are communicating better, you are not communicating well, so they view you as inarticulate. When you are communicating worse, they just put you down as a foreigner and excuse your inability to communicate in Japanese. Just a theory, but it would explain your description of the situation.

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    • Richard Feynman is the prototype here. The anecdote “You just ask them?” from Surely you’re joking, Mr. Feynman! is about as Red Pill as it gets.

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      • I found Feynman’s discussion to be fascinating. A bartender who understands game explained it to Feynman a bit, but rather than put it into practice in the normal way, Feynman internalized it into deep method acting in which he resented women for trying to get him to buy stuff for them without actually sleeping with him in return. He was immediately able to get laid, but found the experience distasteful (because he was resenting women.) So he abandoned that approach after another successful experiment.

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  9. “Wit is the unfailing symptom of intelligence.” It took me until my late forties to understand this quote. I realized it meant ‘all witty people are intelligent, but many, many intelligent people are not witty.’ I’d always prided myself on IQ, but I’d never been very funny. Say it was inhibition, whatever. Then it took several more years to actually change and try for wit. Pussy was the carrot, desperation was the stick, Game became the hand on the stick.

    Another way to express it would be a change in another folk aphorism on intelligence: ‘If you’re so smart, why aren’t you funny?’

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  10. The type of intelligence and its effect on your at-rest demeanor is probably key. If you find a woman into high mathematics as a focal point of natural/conversational life, calmly walk away. Too abstract for comfort – think of Piet Mondrian’s late stuff. Who knows what he was doing? Bit if she harbors deep knowledge of demonology, classical theatre, or even something like esoteric botany, this is a win. A supplementary, ‘mental’ dimension you may favorably experience in numerous ways.

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  11. on September 25, 2015 at 3:30 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Most men prefer women that aren’t too much dumber than them for long term relationships. No matter how pretty a girl is, someone who is too much lower than you in intelligence is probably going to be pretty boring and/or annoying over the long haul. Besides, a guy who can get a beautiful dumb girl is going to be able to get a beautiful girl closer to him in intelligence. Dating a dumb chick long term is just not necessary, so smarter guys just don’t do it.

    On the other hand, dating a girl 10-15 IQ points lower than you for a long term relationship is completely unproblematic. So, yeah, if a guy finds a nice, feminine hottie in that range, he’s going to go for it.

    [CH: yes, an IQ differential of 20 points or more is too much for lust to overcome on the road to love.]

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    • yep. i’ve made the mistake of thinking a girl’s hotness would be enough to sustain the relationship. couldn’t have been more wrong. gotta have someone whose at least in the same ballpark as you when it comes to intelligence or you’ll end up bored, frustrated…broke. embarrassed to bring her around your family and close friends, etc.

      not to mention raising kids. don’t want to try doing that with a dumb girl.

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    • [CH: yes, an IQ differential of 20 points or more is too much for lust to overcome on the road to love.]

      I have a stratospheric IQ (north of 150), and I’ve noticed that girls with average to below-average IQs usually consider me too “weird” to take seriously, even if they like me otherwise, and will instead choose dumb lunks that they obviously relate better with. The girls that appear most interested in me are those with high IQs, which for females usually means in the 110-120 range or so.

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      • on September 25, 2015 at 6:41 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        LOL! I got this too. See my comments above about white women. Here is how I overcame this: In high school and college I made my behavior into a parody of what a lot of the stupider guys were like and was able to pass it off as the real thing: “Springsteen! Redskins gonna go all the way! Love to go four-wheelin’! Day-im!”

        Then, I’d secretly go and listen to my Clash and English Beat records, read obscure new wave fanzines, and watch Britcom shows on PBS when no one was looking. Forget the 4 Seasons’ “Walk Like a Man.” Someone needs to write “Walk Like a ‘Tard.”

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      • on September 25, 2015 at 6:52 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        Addendum to my above post. I should mention that during this high school-college period, I had a long-term, on-off relationship with one of the hottest girls around. Unfortunately, as the “real” me started to emerge during my college years, she dropped me. She’s now married to a guy who is actually the way I pretended to be.

        So if you’re gonna fake your personality, I’d recommend doing it for short-term relationships only. I wish somebody had told me this when I was 18. Because I’d have *not* played her all those Jonathan Richman records then. Oh well.

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      • I find the same

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      • But Pablo Picasso never got called asshole

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      • You could be a stand up comic Broken Arrows…

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      • on September 27, 2015 at 7:49 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        There are really two separate issues here:

        1. High IQ man getting bored with/annoyed with significantly dumber long term girlfriend.
        2. Significantly dumber women not being comfortable with high IQ man.

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    • Eugenics. If you’re smart, odds are that’s your principal advantage (the lucky may have others, of course). So you don’t want to throw it away by marrying someone unintelligent, because your kids might not have anything going for them. Lots of other factors obtain, of course.

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    • on September 25, 2015 at 5:12 pm The Spirit Within

      The difference should be 1 standard deviation.

      If the difference is greater than that, she’ll get intimidated and leave.

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  12. being smart is not enough. it’s like everything else. & most people hate guys who are smarter than they are. i learned at a young age to “tone it down” & not let people know i’m smart because they don’t like it. don’t believe girls who say that they do, it does not make them wet.

    [CH: usually a girl will fall for you for other reasons than your smarts, and then later as she’s feeling the first stirrings of love rationalize her fondness for you as a reaction to your smarts. iow, a woman will use your smarts to misdirect you and herself from her true base nature, because it is more socially acceptable and pleasing to her self-conception.]

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    • i learned at a young age to “tone it down” & not let people know i’m smart because they don’t like it.

      Yeah, I’ve learned to tone it down as well, but it doesn’t necessarily work, especially with dumb bimbos. Girls can subconsciously detect your approximate IQ simply from your behavior.

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      • I’ve had people pick up my intelligence without me saying a word. Most telling experience, but had nothing to do with women: I go to a self-serve junkyard. On my way out, paying for what I bought there… I am basically dressed in the sort of oil-grease-dirt stained old and torn clothes one wears to such a place with grease and dirt on my hands and forearms and one of the guys working there decides to call me professor. (I was in grad school at the time or had just finished) I hadn’t said anything, just laid the parts out the counter like everyone else. He goes to say I like a college professor or something. This is yard was a few miles from my grandparents’ house so it wasn’t like I was out of my element, been to the yard tons of times before. Sometimes there just is no hiding it.

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      • Ack… ack goes on to say I look like a college professor…

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  13. on September 25, 2015 at 3:37 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Smarter guys having short term relationships with cute but dumb girls can be done, but it is more likely in rowdier, alcohol fueled environments. Conversely, a lack of comfort is more likely to develop the more time you spend together sober.

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    • but it is more likely in rowdier, alcohol fueled environments.

      IOW, when the smart man has his IQ temporarily lowered.

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      • on September 27, 2015 at 10:58 am The Man Who Was . . .

        Yes, but also in an environment where comfort is less important.

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      • on September 27, 2015 at 7:53 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        SUMMARY:

        Basically, in party-time, alcohol fueled environments, the high IQ man’s intellect is impaired by the alcohol, and the low IQ woman’s need for comfort is lowered by the alcohol, enabling them to hook up for short term relationships.

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    • So true dude, I have a high iq and what you said about passionate alcohol-induced hookups transferring into a progressive lack of comfort hits home

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  14. on September 25, 2015 at 3:40 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    You need an environment where people are impulsively jumping into bed with each other, not looking for compatibility. Lust over love.

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  15. When a woman says she likes smart men, that word does not mean the same thing that men mean when they say “smart”.

    Just like when a woman says she wants romance, what she really wants are parsimoniously doled out displays of almost-vulnerability from an unattainable alpha. Not a cringeworthy display of needy oneitis from an all-too-attainable beta.

    The devil is in the definition.

    [CH: you’re gunning for a COTW slot, aren’t you?]

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    • alpha = teflon
      beta = flypaper

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    • I believe the source of this was from Emo Philips:

      When a girl says she likes smart funny guys, they mean Brad Pitt telling a knock-knock joke.

      There aren’t too many 13 year old girls with posters of Einstein or Shemp on their walls.

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    • on September 25, 2015 at 6:09 pm The Other Anonymous

      This resonates like a parable from the Gospel … I “get it”.

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    • @Jack This is where and why shit-tests fit into the game and mating dynamic. The woman is testing your “smarts”…how do you handle these things.

      Lately my way of brushing off shit-tests that come out of left field—a girl is sweet and suddenly throws a curve bal…is to just smile and say something like “Oh…we’re now that now are we?” It’s not the words, it’s the tonality.

      I had a girl I asked to dance tell me “No, i’m going to dance with someone else now…” and smiled. I just laughed…”oh…that’s what we’re doing now are we?”

      Words make no sense but it was to ensure I didn’t flinch. Like when someone throws a punch and you don’t flinch.

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  16. As a good looking guy who has a very high IQ but also was a late-bloomer, I have to agree that lack of social skills stemming from being an ugly duckling is more harmful than any quick wit I may have or looks that I got once baby fat melted off in my 20’s. There’s a ton of internal debate over approach, pre-rejecting myself, the usual critiques of a high IQ beta.

    If I have smart dorky kids, instead of worrying about developing smart boy skills, I will use their youth to make sure they develop charisma and athleticism bc the smarts will always be there. Status has to be persued over meaningless academic accomplishments.

    Having read that women’s IQ’s are less spread out versus men means that there’s less high IQ women than men meaning that … well it’s like in Good Will Hunting, it’s all geek to them, no normal person (girl) could tell Matt Damon’s smarts apart from his mentor Gerald Lambeau, despite Gerald all to well knowing how far those last few IQ points puts him from Will.

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  17. There’s no faster way to turn off a woman than intelligent conversation. When I realized that, my game improved by bounds. It never hurts to drop little tidbits of intelligence though.

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    • The problem is not the “intelligent” part; like food, it’s in the presentation.

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    • perhaps you are ugly or look like shit? I talk about whatever I want and frequently digress off into explanations of shit that hoez simply don’t and can’t grasp. They’ve never had a problem with it.

      For example, if I am explaining a recent dive and how i went below MOD for the mix I was diving, I might talk about partial pressure and Boyle’s Law. Hoez get turned on by it. The delivery is good and I look according to my ex gf’s mom, like a sculpture. Maybe you just need to not sperg out and work on your other characteristics.

      If YOU think this shit is cool, SHE will think this shit is cool. Gaming a ho is like playing a sentient violin. It wants to be wielded by a pro, not a duffer.

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  18. I could have spent an hour today teaching a girl about how the computer system we work on operates but instead I spent it teaching her how to do a wrist lock takedown, on her. Which do you think she found more tingling?

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  19. As much as I appreciate intellect, it is apparent to me that social intelligence easily trumps academic intelligence.

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    • on September 26, 2015 at 12:19 pm Obviously Cap'n

      Much wisdom here. Chicks LOVE to gossip, and they are flabbergasted when you can analyze a social situation or a social milieu – and especially so if your analysis is both correct and full of politically incorrect DARK ENLIGHTENMENT TRUTH SPEAK. [Warning, however: Do this in private; never in the presence of White Knight Beta/Gamma cathedral thought-police propaganda enforcers].

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  20. XR600.
    Interesting article, and comments. I’m 50, and single for the first time in 15 years. At my age, the pickings in the late 30s-early 40s range is easy as hell. I’m currently “friends with benefits”, with two. (Yes, there ARE hot 40 year olds)
    When I was young, there was no “game”. You either figured it out, or not.
    I think an IQ over 120 is absolutely a big advantage. It sure helps you think on your feet.

    For a man with game, decent looks, decent fitness, decent income, pretty much spells pussy galore. We used to call it personality. I used to tell my buddies, First I get her laughing, then I reel her in. Worked great in the 90s,
    seems to be working now. Hot 20-somethings treat me like a favorite uncle.
    This doesn’t put me in a bad light with hot 30-somethings.
    Realistically, a 9, 28 year old is now an 8, 38 year old. The 8s, were always less maint, preferable in the long haul. An honest 8, looks AOK, hanging off your shoulder. Less likely to attempt manipulation, more apt to like your friends, go fishing, camping, etc.

    Been enjoying this site for awhile. Just my $.02.

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    • I’m 44…took the virginity of an 18-year old last week, slept with a 19 last night. Don’t have any desire to mess with 40s women. Even 30 is pushing it for me. All the 30s seem to want a relationship as they are bouncing down the other side of the Wall…got no time for that. If I want to relationship up, why would I choose an infertile, saggy chick? Makes no sense whatsoever…maybe my attitude will change in 10 years, or maybe not…

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      • on September 27, 2015 at 7:43 am Obviously Cap'n

        Whoah – t777 – you’re playing with fire, my man. Unless you put MOAR WHYTE BUNZ in her oven [and get the live births nine months later], then you’ve just introduced The Darkness into that 18yo’s heart. And for the 19yo, the taste of your Alpha perfection just moved her notch count from 1 to 2 to INFINITY. The 19yo is already worthless to anyone but you, and the 18yo probably has already jumped from 0 to 1 to at least 2 [if not INFINITY itself].

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  21. Off topic as hell. The best rock song outtros are:

    Pink Floyd “Comfortably Numb.” Sometimes an ancient feeling is yanked with those distorted notes. I see sound in three dimensions and rich shades of red and violet when listening to it, and I never even did acid.

    Prince “Purple Rain.” One time in my youth while listening to it, I pictured a man dying and his soul ascending over vistas of mountain ranges to the sound of those falsetto cries.

    Pearl Jam “Black.” That growling anguished “whyyyy” is the cry of a disposessed generation. Name one better example of pure, ball shredding pathos than that outtro.

    [CH: pa do you have synesthesia?
    ps one of my fave prince songs: darling nikki. i’m sure no one will be surprised by this.
    and yes ‘black’ is hair-raising.]

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    • LOL, no synesthesia. That’s just how awesome that second Gilmour solo is.

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    • on September 26, 2015 at 9:40 am The Spirit Within

      Triple cosigned. David Gilmour was voted #1 guitarist of all time in a Fender poll. And everyone should go to one Prince concert in their lives. I’ve been to two, and the dude’s superhuman onstage. He makes you want to be better at whatever it is you do–unless you’re a musician, in which case don’t go, because you’ll never want to pick up your instrument or get onstage again.

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    • on September 26, 2015 at 10:34 am Days of Broken Arrows

      It’s a great song, but like a lot of other things they did, it’s a commercial extrapolation of their signature tune “Echoes.”

      “Echoes,” by the way, is one of the few where I’ve always felt I “saw” the music. There’s a guitar break just before the final verse that sounds like a sunrise or a sunburst or some explosion of light. One of David Gilmour’s best moments.

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    • Another great outro: “I’m Only Dreaming” by the Small Faces, starts at about 1:48.

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  22. Also – since the late 80s, I’ve found The Eagles “Last Resort” an enigma. I’d listen to it constantly, forget about the song for a decade and then rediscover it again.

    Is it Henley getting in some cheap anti -White sentiments? Is it a perceptive vision of the Manifest Destiny or even a scoffing look at our will to explore, conquer, and tame? Is it a cautionary calling out of a prideful godlessness that haunts us and which we must resist?

    Listen to it if you haven’t already.

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    • @PA Back Street Girl… lyrics included

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    • on September 26, 2015 at 9:47 am The Spirit Within

      Henley’s the best lyricist in rock, and he’s been calling out American hubris his whole career. Listen to the old seventies hits, or “The End of the Innocence”, or especially “Long Road out of Eden” from 2007.

      But, no, he’s not speaking to white Americans in particular. He’s speaking to all of us.

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      • on September 27, 2015 at 7:48 am Obviously Cap'n

        OH. MY. GAWD. TJW just admitted that he’s not whyte. What’s next, David Geffen gets baptized by Pat Robertson?

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  23. Yeah, see theres a problem with this assumption. You’re assuming these poindexters are the top of the IQ chart and they’re not. Guys who wear pocket protectors and work in labcoats are not the smartest guys in the room. Anyone who’s really smart doesn’t follow the herd, and these are sheep you got here. There are two types of guys who say Bah! Mad scientists like Dr. Doom and sheepish pinheads who wear tweed. Dr. Doom isn’t playing around with test tubes and growing diseases for Pharmaceutical companies in their lab.
    Studies of superintelligence say these guys are natural non-conformists. Some are drop-outs working for scale because they hate society, and others are living under the radar because they took the Red Pill and unplugged from the Matrix. The unplugged guys have plans, and the drop-outs are just pissed. These poindexters are just midwits who are smarter than the average Pooh Bear and wear ties to get along with the nosy Government employees. They got no style, cause style is way above their paygrade. You can say a lot about these Dilberts, but superintelligent is not one of them. Anyone who comes up with shit and gets the smaller cut while someone else takes the Lion’s share is nowhere near genius.

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    • on September 27, 2015 at 7:58 am Obviously Cap'n

      JS, you left out the role played by pathological altruism and suicidal naivete. Apparently Tesla was s0d0mized by BOTH Edison AND Westinghouse because Tesla was gullible enough to believe that each of them would be honorable in their interactions with him. And I’d argue that this is precisely why the Manosphere had to create “Game”: So as to have a plan for dealing with HBs whose hearts and and minds and souls have been completely poisoned by Eskimo Psychiatry Inc, thereby ensuring that Nice Guys Don’t Always Finish Last [at least not if said Nice Guys are willing to fake themselves some Dark Triad attributes – faking it til they’re making it – and then continuing to fake it so as to hold together an LTR].

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  24. “Mensa has no groupies.”
    Gold

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  25. Bruce Charlton had spoken of intelligence as an indicator of genetic fitness, and also that personality was not. However in past “trait preference” studies, Attitude, Confrontation, Muscles, Looks scored higher than all “Good Father” traits. My takeaway was testosterone traits were indicative of high functioning immune system. Good genetic fitness is fine, but providing immunocompetency is far better for offspring survivability.

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  26. on September 25, 2015 at 6:04 pm Brooklyn Outpost

    It’s such great fun to when speaking with a truly intelligent female to treat her like she’s just any other female. They can be so sensitive about things but they absolutely LOVE it when you don’t take their shit and barely take them seriously at all. It’s like they’ve been told all these things by our society that they don’t really believe themselves, and when a man treats them in an honest manner they go crazy for it.

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    • I think the term is smart chicks find being around smart guys part of the comfort phase. They rarely get to not be bored shitless so it’s a thrill itself. Most girls could give a shit cause they ain’t smart, or they think they so smart that they’re going to SJW punish a dummy to dum to know they aren’t smart, like by being dumb by liking thin girls.

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      • on September 27, 2015 at 8:09 am Obviously Cap'n

        BO: I’m saying almost exactly the same thing way upthread from here – with the supersmart chicks, you fake the dumbery, but you do it in a way that confuses the hell out of her while leaving her with just enough clues to eventually figure it all out for herself. HM: Chicks will NOT settle down in LTRs with dudes who are stupider than they, and I have long felt that this is responsible for the rise in high-IQ lesb!anism – you’ve got these high-IQ chicks who can’t find an high-IQ man who will ravish their loins, and so eventually these high-IQ chicks take out all of their sexual frustrations on one another.

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      • the rise of high IQ lesbos?

        as if.

        just because two PhD’s in comparative feminist fisting go lesbian bed death because no one gets their field?

        high IQ girls, whether plain or hot, when they do exist will seek out the best guy they can get. plain ones will find the smartest plain guy, hot ones will find the hottest guy they can get. Probably stalk the smartest hotter guy they find.

        hot, smart, religious girls? Taken by 22. You had your chance. MRS degree FTW.

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  27. You have to read this. The author Amara Charles has repressed tingles.

    Here’s a quote: “We’ve all met men disguised as alpha males who prey on our most urgent, and often repressed desires. An intelligent woman learns to spot the difference between a true alpha male and a predator.”

    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140512172141-3397811-five-things-women-do-in-the-presence-of-an-alpha-male

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  28. on September 25, 2015 at 6:53 pm gunslingergregi

    just be good looking its so easy he he he

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  29. Fresh out of grad school with a PhD in nuclear physics and a full-time faculty position at a prestigious private college, I was at first devastated to find that making this known at singles events led to girls gaining an intense desire to talk to that other guy over there. A change of tactics was in order; I learned a smattering of French poetry and intimated that I taught literature part time at the local community college and lived on a friend’s couch. The girls couldn’t get enough of that. It never got me laid, though; I was pretty conservative and just couldn’t bring myself to bang girls who were that stupid. But it was my first clue that what girls say they want and what they really want is a Venn diagram consisting of two non-overlapping circles.

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  30. “Mensa has no groupies”

    That would make for a great t-shirt!

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  31. >people tend to date whomever is readily available within their social milieu

    This is why the libertarian cop out of “race mixing is not a problem because people naturally prefer their own kind” is bullshit. Diversity + proximity = mudbloods.

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  32. Is anyone aware of any hard studies that show that high IQ men have low libido and/or sperm count, and a theory as to why for either (if true)? It surely seems that the higher the IQ, the lower the chances of reproducing. Viewing things from a purely Darwinian perspective, one would suppose that just the opposite should be true – i.e., Nature rewards the most intelligent with the most progeny. However, it appears, just as Nature abhors a vacuum, that is also abhors geniuses. Almost as if our alien creators put a chip in us and said…”Ah, ah, ah, we cannot let geniuses like you breed too much, or soon you will be like us, the gods!” And so, we only improve by increments, and not leaps. Imagine if a genius mating with a genius actually created an even greater genius. Sadly, things do not work that way, or else I would be typing this from my deck in Sector 5, Delta Colony, Mars.

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    • i notice a lot that when I have been pulling all hours at work and then finally finished and am physically and mentally exhausted that my little buddy tends to talk to me. I’m physically a walking zombie, yet the hard on wont go away.

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    • Anyone experienced a difference of meeting someone by making an approach yourself vs meeting someone suggested by another friend? I think it has to do with the initial reaction — that is, you can create a first impression and show you have confidence if its you making the move, as opposed to the set up where it was all laid out for you in a certain sense. This happened to me recently and it was with her friends, who buffered … went ok but seems too hard to overcome that lack of directive.

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    • smart people don’t have lower libidos. they just have more self-control. they are less impulsive and think about the ramifications of their actions instead of acting solely on their animalistic impulses.

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    • sitting down hurts sperm quality.

      tight pants hurt sperm quality.

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    • It surely seems that the higher the IQ, the lower the chances of reproducing. Viewing things from a purely Darwinian perspective, one would suppose that just the opposite should be true – i.e., Nature rewards the most intelligent with the most progeny.

      There was research done by the blogger “JayMan” (you can search for it) which basically showed that birth rates among smart people vary by ideology, or how liberal / conservative you are. Among dumb men, ideology is less important, but among the intelligent, conservative men actually have more children than dumb men — liberal men have fewer, and quite often none.

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      • It might explain why SJWs / leftoids nowadays always think with their emotions, and haven’t produced any notable Frankfurt School-type figures like Gramsci for quite a while: liberals have gotten dumber at a breakneck rate since the Pill came online.

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      • That makes sense, Corvinus33, and I have seen it, so can verify that your words ring true. So, that means….Nature abhors a liberal.

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  33. Arab feminist. The dyed hair, the glasses, the tattoos, the 40 pounds overweight .. *cringe*

    Source : http://www.lemonde.fr/festival/article/2015/06/30/la-femme-est-l-avenir-du-monde-arabe_4664755_4415198.html

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  34. Another hard hitting talented RealTalk artist.

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  35. Recalling a previous post that smart woman are prone to romantic failure, because they can’t marry up, I worked with an intelligent young woman who has admitted to about 36 boyfriends, a quarter of which she slept with. Now, I’m about 30 IQ points higher than her, but my SMV is 2-3 points lower. The upshot is she thinks I’m arrogant, mean, rude etc. and has treated me as such. Which is a fancy way of saying, I’m not allowed to be smarter than her, because I should accept my role beneath her. At the same time, a third co-worker was about her intelligence, but his SMV was above hers. The upshot was she chased him while he brushed her off. This led her to leave and proclaim how she doesn’t like him, cause he’s stupid.

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  36. The tragedy of Eskimos is that they are, on average, very smart, at least in the non-verbal areas. Darwin at work, -40 to -60 degrees cualls the genome. BUT almost all are born alcoholics. The only way an Eskimo can get ahead in non-Eskimo society is to be a tee-totaller. Such people are, unfortunately, rare.

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  37. All things held constant, smart is better than stupid.

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  38. the average iq is 100 or so, let’s say that 95% of people are within 1 standard deviation of 100. That really tells you all you need to know. I think the academia fanboyism is stupid and mostly practised by internet troll types. I will be blunt, male involuntary celibacy is a common trait in positions where people are considered smart.

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    • excuse me I mean 2 std.

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    • Hi*Ler knew game. He wanted his men to be strong – mentally and physically with zero weakness. ‘Let the good bodies find themselves’. He believed in the natural world of strength dominates. Intelligence was important but only up to a point. The Eskimos are very intelligent but lack physical athletic attributes hence why we live in a world controlled by rich nerds and why masculinity is discouraged.

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  39. Is David Mamet red pill? House of Games and Glen Garry Glenn Ross are pretty red pill.

    [CH: mamet is red pill-ish.]

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  40. Women are attracted to social status.

    Unless a high IQ score or near equivalent is regarded as high status itself it only matters if it is used to gain status.

    Just look at SouthernMan’s example above. Nuclear physicist with a faculty position = boring, rule following nerd. Free spirited artist = cool.

    That being said, you can probably find groupies for anything. If I was a nuclear physicist i’d look for science chicks, and if i was a Mensan i’d look for Mensa girls.

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    • They exist, but they’re really, really fat.

      Usually fat girls who know they can lock in a guy by pretending to like nerds.

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  41. working memory capacity is inversely related to information-integration learning, the kind the kind most crucial for social situations

    cannabis for the win.

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  42. I encountered a legitimate 9 on a train who suddenly appeared and asked if I minded if she sat next to me. This is a completely uncommon event, believe me I am aware of this. I had a split second to react so I asked myself what CH would do in this situation and so I decided I had to quickly make a joke. So when she asked if I minded, I said “only if you can keep your hands to yourself” as I moved my bag and sort of grinned. She laughed and sat down and I became aware of how she looked. This was a very feminine girl, everything about her, every minor detail. I was really impressed, she made other women just look like frumpy blobs with tattoos and blue hair. I struggled to get any sort of conversation going, I really just did not have a plan for what to do in this case. The thing was that she was very nice and graceful even so. The real takeaway from this experience however was that firstly, it is good to be prepared and have a good plan about how to talk to women, from introduction to close and secondly, I wasn’t nervous at all which really changed my perspective. It was so nice even just seeing her that I noted it just made no sense to be nervous, that there are good, feminine women out there and that it simply just makes perfect sense to want to pursue them, it beckons you. This has had repercussions for how I was approaching other women, results to follow.

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    • “So when she asked if I minded, I said “only if you can keep your hands to yourself””

      OUTSTANDING start Martin!

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      • on September 28, 2015 at 8:02 am Obviously Cap'n

        Agree with Sentient – that one paragraph which you wrote gives me as much hope for the future of Western Man as does The Donald’s last ditch effort to save the USA. Stuff to think about for the long term: Concentrate on the sonority of your voice and the pacing of your diction. You want to be like an opera singer [or a kneegrow “soul singer”] – force your voice as deep as possible, don’t let your voice squeak, speak slowly but penetratingly, breath with your diaphragm [not your shoulders], force yourself to remain calm even though your adrenaline and testosterone levels are going crazy. Pro Tip: It really helps to have a terrible hangover in these situations [which is not meant to be an excuse for indulging in alcoholism, but alcoholics do have a huge advantage over sober dudes when it comes to “ZFG”].

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    • Martin,

      the Tube has to be a pussy Goldmine. I see hot women there everyday and you have a chance to talk to them in a less guarded atmosphere.

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  43. Up to a certain threshold (120ish) high IQ leads to superior social skills and better job prospects. Past that point, the higher a person’s IQ, the bigger the communication problem between individual and the social group.

    It’s becomes extremely difficult to communicate when the IQ gap exceeds 20 points in either direction. It’s basically unavoidable that a person with 140+ IQ will be a social outcast because the gap with nearly all other people exceeds the 20 point threshold. Outside that 20 point range, people are just on totally different wavelengths.

    This is why you see many very high IQ people struggle in various aspects of life, while the top professions are dominated by people in 120-130 IQ range.

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  44. Southern Man,

    I’ve had a similar conundrum that you point out later on in your post, that is, (even if they want it – fuck how could I or anyone else know if they don’t themeselves) if you aren’t all in for the bang [thats a conservative mindset] it shows or is sniffed out, not because the women are so great at telling per se, it’s just obvious that you’re not all in or trying to get them to just blow you, etc. I’ve done this with pretty hot girls in situations where it’s risky (you don’t want to get them pregnant or reflecting back, maybe it was smart because they easily could have been STD’d). Point being, I still don’t believe it’s right to fuck people indiscriminantly and like animals — BUT we don’t pair early in life anymore, as CH has suggested (so we don’t get underanged, wholesome virgins who only know you and are loyal) and thus you have to get really lucky to be around any girl who is 7+ that is wholesome and won’t sniff out the whole, “Oh well, this dude won’t F me so I’m either not attractive, he’s not a real man, etc there’s no real ‘connection’ hamster shit

    It’s the same deal with why the animalistic alpha gets paid — he doesn’t care and he’s going volume. Not only does this change attitude, he probably even gets paid on the ones he treats indifferently to poorly — all this being a horrible comment on the state of women in general these days.

    I then think of the women who would object and … they are like 4s-6s, basically girls that guys are indifferent about approaching, entirely.

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  45. See Henry Kissinger. I would only argue that smarts count in terms of raw survival, which despite our modern times is still a reptilian-based priority for females.

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  46. The problem that *really* smart guys have is not that women don’t dig intelligence, b/c they do. The problem that the really smart guys have is that so many of them are ‘spergs, social retards or otherwise shitty at talking to girls.

    With average girls, a smart guy can’t talk so far over their heads that he loses his audience. Smart is good, but must also be presented well.

    With smart girls, while they may be ok with a moron with talented hands for a fling, the worst thing that can happen to them is they get get knocked up that guy have have lil’ dum-dum babies. So typically, they’re going to want another smarty to pump his population paste into their babymakers when it’s breedin’ time.

    When gaming smart girls, being smart is good but being witty is better, with enough Caveman to make them tingle and keep them off balance, which is what you want. For the smart man who is looking for an LTR, nothing beats a smart girl who passes the boner test, *and* is an introvert. She will be eating out of your hand.

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    • “For the smart man who is looking for an LTR, nothing beats a smart girl who passes the boner test, *and* is an introvert. She will be eating out of your hand.”

      exactly right. couldn’t have said it better myself.

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    • Where is the best place to meet smart introvert gals?

      [CH: bachelorette parties, the one cute girl who isn’t wearing any cheesy bachelorette bling.]

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      • @Herb:

        First, I’m going to ramble. Sorry advance. I promise there will be some Useful Shit in here, somewhere.

        CH correctly points out the odd-woman out at the bachelorette party. This also applies to regular GNO situations: find the quiet one on the perimeter who looks a little uncomfortable with her friends’ drinking, etc.

        That girl trying to hide her rockin’ body under conservative clothes? Introvert.

        The girl sitting by herself in Starbucks reading a book or browsing the web? Introvert.

        The girl visiting the museum or library by herself? Introvert.

        The girl flashing her boobs and posting a selfie of her shotgunning beers? Not an introvert.

        Ok, so how to approach? Do Not Scare The Shy Girl. Keep it friendly, light, and humorous. With a real introvert, it’s ok if you come off a little goofy in a way that wouldn’t work with a normal or extroverted girl. What do I mean?

        Of my two plates who are MASSIVE introverts, I met one…wait for it….in a museum. I noticed a girl dressed like a librarian who *clearly* had a dancer’s body underneath. As I am a highly extroverted, and cold approaches don’t bother me at all, I decided to step up beside her (so she could see me in her peripheral vision–Don’t Scare The Shy Girl) as she looked at some Rorschach Test of a painting and then I said, “Y’know, the way he’s holding her, it’s almost obscene”* She turned and looked at me quizzically and I said, “Well, not really, but I just wanted to meet you.”

        And on that day, in that place, that line worked, and the conversation flowed easily, b/c I talked and she listened, and I’m funny and she laughed. We looked at art, and I asked her opinion and I listened to what she said (innies dig that). Here’s something more fucked up: She really was a dancer. Not a stripper, a dancer. (A comedian buddy of mine who is also an introvert tells me that being on stage is fine; it’s talking to people afterwards that he dreads.) Go figure.

        The other one babysits my neighbors’ kids. I met her when she was 18 and plated her when she was 19. Because yes, I am that kind of evil bastard. My most recent date with her was her coming over after her classes were finished, walking in my front door, kissing me, taking her clothes off in the foyer, putting on some thigh high stockings (Because.Daddy.LIKES Muhahahahahahahahahahaha!) and then me railing her out. I offered to take her out to dinner, b/c I wanted a steak, but she didn’t want to go. She asked (that’s “asked”, like a well brought up young lady) if she could have a bowl of cereal, which she then proceeded to eat, while sitting cross-legged in my bed, still naked except for the stockings.

        Some random factoids, and another story:

        1. It’s ok to give an introverted girl some space, even if she’s at your place. If one of them wants some screen time on her phone–AFTER we’ve banged–I let her have it. Don’t force her to socialize. If she wants to stay in and eat cereal, that’s ok.

        2. Introverts will ask you if you read, etc. If you do read, fine. If you don’t, be able to fake it, convincingly. I read a lot of history and biography, because, when I was a kid, the internet was called “books”.

        3. If an introvert show you something important to them, like their music, or their book collection or something pertaining to their odd hobby, tread VERY lightly. Don’t poke fun of it, b/c to them, they’re showing you a part of themselves. They get sensitive about that shit, and are terrified of rejection.

        4. It’s ok if they don’t talk a lot. A friend of mine married an introvert out of college. She is actually quite smart and with a wicked sense of humor BUT she’s an introvert. So earlier in the summer, I went to visit them. My pal hurt his back so she and I went to visit a winery (which we were going to do anyway) without him. Somewhere in the afternoon, I made reference to monopolizing the conversation and she said, “No, I like it–your jokes and stories are always funny and all I have to do is ‘receive’.” So I went ‘Ok’ and happily monopolized the conversation for the rest of the afternoon.

        5. Introverted girls SUCK at meeting guys. Largely b/c you can’t meet guys when you are curled up reading a book in your bed. The reason my friend got married out of college? His wife found a guy she liked (him) and was basically “Thank God I don’t have to go meet other guys, now.” Same with my plates.

        6. They dig rules and patterns. Often in an almost autistic way. My introvert girls do not try to make me ‘try new things’ that I don’t want to do–other people have been doing that shit to them their whole lives. I can’t remember the last time they ever tried to get me to do something I don’t like, probably b/c it didn’t happen. I do sometimes take the dancer dancing b/c I know she really likes it (and I really don’t, b/c I dance remarkably like an elephant), but I do that voluntarily, more or less. If I do it once in 3-4 months, that’s a lot.

        7. They will very often *hate* GNO. The babysitter will do athletic type stuff with her friends during the day and bail on going out with them at night. There’s a 16 year gap between her and her younger brother so she babysits him a lot also, and I sometimes think she uses him as an excuse to avoid GNO.

        So the story: she decides to go on a ‘spring break’ type trip to Florida with her BFF and a couple of other girls. I’m surprised at this, but hey, you’re only young once and I didn’t give her any shit about it b/c who cares? So the weekend starts and she’s texting me *from their room* at night (even if she wasn’t, I don’t give a shit b/c I have abundance mentality, etc. Besides, it was a free weekend with the dancer).

        By Sunday, she’s panicking (“They’re bringing guys back TO OUR ROOM!”). So I have a shit-ton of freedom (can do my job from anywhere there is internet/mobile coverage), so I book a room for the week and fly down, pick her up and check into the ‘grown up’ hotel, and we have a nice, quiet week together. The first night, she apologizes for not having stockings to wear for me (everyone together: “Awwwww”), but really that’s a good thing b/c she wasn’t expecting me to be there when she left for the trip so WHY would she have stockings? Exactly. So we picked some up at VS the next day (patterns and rules. Sure, Daddy.Likes, but I think wearing them is like a ritual for her.)

        Anyway, sorry for the ramble.

        Uncle Mistral

        *Stolen from Steve Martin in “L.A. Story”, but she was young enough that the reference would be lost on her.

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  47. Some of my dear friends have been known to treat chatting-up as an engineering job interview, with predictable results. (“So what do you do?” “I’m working on a new numerical approximation of the Navier-Stokes equations, based on blah blah!” Hoping she will take the obvious hook and they can break out Matlab and live happily ever after.) Either that or their hobby is some ridiculous way of brewing beer, which can be lovingly described for an evening, and, who knows, perhaps serve as the excuse for a smooth invitation back to his lair. Even those who consciously choose something chicks simply must like — “ballroom dancing!” — usually end up at the ultra-logical autonomous robot end which is so beloved by women everywhere.

    It’s probably because they’re normally chained to their lab bench and/or problem set, but still, you guys.

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  48. Iq is always alpha. IQ is the single biggest predictor about how you will do in life. Take a couple of minutes to look it up. Income ~Although you don’t have to be smart to be rich, again a very strong correlation between IQ and income. Looks ~ There is a statistically significant positive correlation between height and intelligence. Facial symmetry and intelligence are closely correlated. Even on the reproductive side, Intelligence and semen quality are positively correlated.

    Nothing to be agnostic about. If you’re on the far right of the bell curve for anything desirable, you’re already aware of the 80/20 rule (20 % of the guys bang 80 % of the hot women).

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    • Sure, but you can have too much of a good thing. Height is good. 6 feet is better than 5. 7, and unless you play basketball you have bone problems and stuff has to be specially made for you, etc.

      The smarter the berry, the sweeter the juice, but if you’re too damn smart it ain’t no use.

      [CH: mostly i’ve found that at the highest levels of intelligence (+3SDs) men start to get really weird looking, physically enfeebled, and socially odd. unfortunately, these handicaps won’t be overcome the great benefit of very high IQ, and most girls will be turned off.]

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  49. The average IQ is the most socially accessible IQ. In the whole the broadest appeal and easiest people to relate to are those slap bang in the middle of IQ. Ceteris paribus these people are the least likely to be a social retard.

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    • However, specific in the fight to overcome autism is a higher IQ. The few that don’t know what everybody else knows on instinct will need to turn human interaction into a science to be studied. And you need a bigger IQ to do all the calculating that others do on instinct.

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      • Go too far with IQ and your autistic/nerd side may be so extreme that you become socially irredeemable. But not enough IQ and you’ll never be able to study and mimic the behaviour of neurotypicals.

        This autism-lite which seems to effect a quarter of Britain and maybe one third of America is best combated by people with above-average IQ.

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  50. Hands up all those who want to fuck Rachel Riley into the ground because she is clever with numbers……wind…….tumbleweed…….crickets.

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  51. Came for the deluge of commenters claiming top tier IQs and apex alpha predator status, was not disappointed.

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  52. Women’s preference for male intelligence varies, I think, according to their own intelligence. For example, I consider myself pretty far right on the IQ bell curve, but used to find myself turning off dumber women by throwing out “advanced” vocabularly or proper grammar. While mastery of the English language and other displays of brainpower do ignite the tingles in SWPL, NY Times-reading women, the less educated have found such behavior almost offensive.

    Why? A couple theories. Perhaps women know intuitively that men who far exceed them in intelligence will not be interested in an actual relationships (or at least ones longer than the time it takes to blow a load on their faces).

    But more than that, I suspect it is that women also know intuitively that any man who doesn’t grasp that incongruity also has a low EQ.

    So you may ask then- shouldn’t any “intelligent” man also be able to use that power to better his game? You’d think, but so many nerds discount the efforts other men make to pursue women that they never learn to try themselves.

    If you find your brainpower turning off the ladies, then here’s the quick fix: Don’t act like a fucking nerd. Turn off the Star Trek, lift weights, learn how to dress like an alpha male, and finally, listen to the dialect of ordinary joes who are taking home the women whose Facebook photos you jerk off to and use it. Not rocket science.

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  53. Intelligence as a heritable trait is a container. Genes do not pass on knowledge, but merely the capacity to learn. For the offspring of an intelligent man to be intelligent themselves, that man has to stick around and teach them. A woman’s attraction to intelligence could only evolve as part of a beta-bux suite of traits.

    It’s okay to be smart, but be street smart, never let ’em see you think. If somebody asks you how you knew something, try this for an answer: That’s kind of a nerd question.

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