A Thin Line Between Bad Game And Tight Game

RappaccinisDaughter writes,

The problem is that so many guys attempting [the neg] DO NOT understand the difference between a “neg” and an insult. From what I’ve read on here, a “neg” is supposed to be playful…like you were teasing a bratty little sister, but not trying to make her cry. Instead, what I’m seeing out there is guys saying these unbelievably rude things.

Example: I was meeting some friends for dinner, but I got there early and had to wait at the bar. Some random strikes up a conversation with me. We speak for a couple of minutes, everything is polite and friendly, when he comes out with this whopper:

“You know, those child-bearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.”

That interaction went from, “Hmm, maybe he’s got some friends that might like to come hang out with me and my friends after we’ve all eaten,” to me actually giving the guy the finger and telling him to go fuck himself. Which I generally never do because I think it’s tacky, but I was so shocked and insulted that it just kind of popped out.

RD is aghast at the rudeness of her negger, but a small change in wording is all it would take to reframe RD’s middle finger into a muffsome tingle. For example:

“Your sexy hips balance out your athletic boobs.”

There. This is what a neg should sound like coming from a better negger. It’s only superficially a compliment. The “athletic boobs” part, sliding in as it does like a sneaky syntactical fucker soon after the conspicuous flattery, adds that necessary ingredient of backhanded ambiguity that so enthralls women’s need for intrigue. When delivered with plausible naivete, the woman is left with no one to accuse of rudeness, and her middle finger is stayed. Instead of outward rebellion at her devious suitor, she turns inward to wonder what he meant by “athletic boobs”, (to most women, the description evokes the image of tiny but firm titties), and in the turning inward she becomes invested in him and, ultimately, in his approval.

I hope now people are starting to get a feel for proper neggery. It doesn’t have to be complicated, although negging as an art form can require a high skill level. A simple disqualification — “It’s nice for a change to talk to a girl like she’s one of the guys” — is really all that you need to say to successfully pull off a neg and pique a girl’s curiosity about you.

It wouldn’t be CH if a sly postscript precision-engineered to get under combatants’ skins weren’t appended.

PS Despite the horrible negger in RD’s anecdote, you’ll note that she remembers him days later. A woman’s hate is far preferable to her indifference as an emotional medium through which you can insinuate your obscure charms. To put it curtly, no man ever banged a woman who didn’t know or care he existed, but plenty of men have banged women who started out with hate and disgust (but not boredom!) in their hearts. Of course, it’s ideal to begin the dance of symbolized copulation in the throes of genuine romantic ardor, but hate will do in a pinch.

PPS Better to err on the side of too much assholery than too little. If you can’t think of a good neg, dropping a bad neg is, most of the time, still better than talking about the weather. At least you’ve pinged her radar. Because hell hath no blowouts like a woman bored.





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  1. (scans the crowd with a drink) “Eh, club chicks always think they’re hot. Hey, cute earrings.”

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 1:08 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      hey HEATRTIETSE HEARTYSITES!!!

      eating out a girl and gaming a girl are very similar enterprises as one slip of the tongue and you are in deep shit zlzlzizzlzo

      lzozzolzo

      A Thin Line Between Bad Game And Tight Game = A Thin Line Between ginasexth and butthext lzozoz

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    • good. no reason to really even approach insult, there’s plenty of real estate in the area of ‘playful’ to get everything done you need.

      now, i want to hear more about these ‘child-bearing hips’ rd’s sporting. that’ll pique my interest. i think that dude should have avoided the tits comment at all. women are fairly insecure about the hips to begin with, ‘child-bearing’ was neg enough but defensibly non-insulting.

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      • Not really my speed, but I’m into the nerdy chicks who are very rarely 10s anyway. Whole point of talking about the earrings for me is that it’s *not* her body – it’s just some random thing (and ofc “cute” isn’t the impression club chicks are going for in the first place, so that can be both honest and create dissonance). “cad game” doesn’t suit me, so I don’t tend to bust out with the egregious stuff, when sticking with lower-key gets me laid anyway.

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  2. “negger”…love it.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 10:52 am Ludwig Von Bern

      Some neggers just don’t know what the hell they’re doing. You would be surprised by some of the negs coming out of those negger lips.

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      • Has anybody heard from Buena Vista this week?

        Last week, he indicated that he was heading for the target-rich environment of a Big 10 football game on Saturday.

        I was hoping that he ended up tailgating next to a nice buxome corn-fed farmer’s daughter, with a DD-rack and a big cheerful grin on her face, just a day or two before she was due to ovulate…

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    • Such insensitivity beggars a snigger.

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    • Yeah, coming up in the DC dating scene which is basically “combat dating” in some cases I have basically had to adopt the style of neggers in some ways. For liberal white females the raw edgy nature of acting mad neggerish never ceases to dial them in for panty moistening. Sometimes, I just go too far and then you enter scary negger territory which makes them want to flee your presence and head back to Georgetown tout fucking suite! (Safe back in SWPLand, phew) Only a little negger behavior is enticing.

      Like Nietzsche famously quoted: “Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… for when you gaze long at the negger. The negger gazes also into you.”

      Was fighting monsters way too long. Tiresome…

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  3. I once knew a guy, a taciturn redneck who had an inexplicable effect on preppy girls. He once got a girl to light up when he blurted out in front of everyone “you gonna wash your twat?” For the record, she didn’t smell. He just said stuff like that.

    He got away with it because he was already ensconced in our proto-swpl group, and his playful crudeness was congruent. In RD’s example, he was a stranger and the neg/insult apparently came out out of place in the course of a normal nice conversation.

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    • lol wash your twat

      You can same some presumably mean shit and if you take away the subtle “Ammirite guys?!?” that most people have in their heads when they attempt a neg and comes off as an insult….then people will be like “Damn that guy just doesn’t give a FUCK.”

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  4. Yes, that comment smacks of “over-gaming”.

    Some negs I’ve used on girls with optimal effect:

    “interesting….”

    “Behave..” is a good one….

    “You dance well….for a lawyer…” that always sparks gales of laughter…

    I once told a woman I was dancing with in Spanish:

    “You dance well….”

    Her: Thanks you dance well too…

    Me: I’m not finished…you dance well…for a lawyer.

    That same structure would work in a variety of situations;

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  5. The most important thing right now is to observe that Nirvana’s 20-year anniversary of In Utero album dropped yesterday. The box set includes the famous MTV live & loud concert for the first time as full show in pro quality.

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  6. For me, “you have sexy hips” would have sufficed for the neg.

    Since when do guys compliment hips? Only when there’s nothing else to compliment.

    Or maybe it’s just my delivery. But I would have been adequately arsenaled with just half the neg posted.

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    • Getting rid of no-fault divorce is meant to help beta guys whose wives are tired of them. Those MRA guys talk about that constantly. Can’t get pissed when someone takes the MRA’s rhetoric seriously.

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  7. on September 25, 2013 at 9:24 am RappaccinisDaughter

    “PS Despite the horrible negger in RD’s anecdote, you’ll note that she remembers him days later. A woman’s hate is far preferable to her indifference as an emotional medium through which you can insinuate your obscure charms.”

    Once again, CH, it’s a fine line. I do know several women who wound up getting with men that they initially hated. What I’ve never heard of is a woman who wound up getting with a man for whom they had ever held contempt.

    The distinction is important. Hatred is reserved for someone that you see as an equal or a superior; contempt is directed at your inferiors. Hatred contains an element of passion, thus potentially amenable to transmutation into other passionate emotions. Contempt is bloodless…and permanent.

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    • Even assuming that the female brain can produce and perceive the mental state of contempt (an aristocratic, thus likely male-only sentiment), fliping someone the bird does not reflect contempt.

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 10:43 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I was addressing CH’s postscript in my above comment, not the meat of his commentary.

        Now, I’m going to address this: “Even assuming that the female brain can produce and perceive the mental state of contempt (an aristocratic, thus likely male-only sentiment)…”

        Yes, women produce and perceive the mental state of contempt. And it’s a rather hot-button issue in these parts, so…

        TRIGGER WARNING

        When a woman calls a man “creepy,” for example, that’s contempt in action. She doesn’t hate him; she’s revolted by him. She sees him as her inferior. His very attention is an insult to her.

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      • So if she calls you a creep, you’ll have a tough hoe to row?

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 11:11 am RappaccinisDaughter

        +1, chuckled, would chuckle again

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      • > “When a woman calls a man “creepy,” for example, that’s contempt in action.”

        I dunno – maybe 20 years ago.

        Now these stupid bimbos say it at the drop of a hat.

        Like how they call each other “dude” instead of “dudette”.

        Very few things turn me off more than hearing one girl call another girl, “dude”.

        I’d almost rather fornicate with a chick who doesn’t shave her underarms…

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      • Let’s not go crazy now.

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      • Dudine is actually the correct nomenclature for a female dude.

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      • But if she says “weird” you still have a chance?

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      • “Even assuming that the female brain can produce and perceive the mental state of contempt “

        Clearly, Senor Gro, you have little experience with women. They manufacture contempt for men like bakers make bread.

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      • Not worried about females’ ability to manufacture the appearance of what is socially construed as contempt. The reality of the emotion is what I doubt females posess.

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      • I know you need such nonsense to get yourself into the proper state of mind, but your knuckleheadedness is showing. Try leading a woman by being better not by tearing her down.

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      • He must be onto something if you interpret his skepticism about contempt as “tearing her down”. Would it be “building her up” to say she feels lots of contempt?

        I think he is onto something. The story is that women have contempt and friendzone you. RD says that contempt is permanent, some say the FZ is permanent. But many of us have gotten out of the friendzone. The usual thing to do then is to dump, or pump then dump.

        Simply the woman thought she had you pegged but she was wrong. You changed or acted differently. Guys who say the FZ is permanent just reflect that change and learning aren’t always easy.

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    • So contempt is logical, rational, and calculating…and hatred is emotional.

      Sounds like one is masculine and the other is feminine.

      Woe to the guy who has a woman that both hates him and is filled with contempt.

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    • Hamsters be hamstering

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    • Wait a minute… RappsD, you have child-bearing hips?

      [schwinnnggg]

      For the record, I prefer the term “womanly” to “child-bearing”. Then again, I prefer women to girls, which kinda sets me apart from the average Chateau denizen.

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      • You should make her a mixtape.

        Ya know, really set yourself apart from the rest of us.

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      • > “[schwinnnggg]”

        > “You should make her a mixtape. Ya know, really set yourself apart from the rest of us.”

        Move over, Carlos Danger.

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    • You do realize that child-bearing hips is code for fat ass? Dude was just trying to be nice, talking about your small tits to take your mind off of your ass. You just can’t help some people.

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      • It’s ambiguous. Some guys say they love the hourglass figure. Personally I like tighter hips, but some guys don’t.

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    • The distinction is important. Hatred is reserved for someone that you see as an equal or a superior; contempt is directed at your inferiors. Hatred contains an element of passion, thus potentially amenable to transmutation into other passionate emotions. Contempt is bloodless…and permanent.

      IOW, women might have hatred for alphas, and contempt for betas and omegas.

      Under that light, I wonder how they (y’all) deal with alphas who were once betas — if the contempt melt away under those conditions.

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 2:43 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “IOW, women might have hatred for alphas, and contempt for betas and omegas.”

        That’s close, although I’d quibble that it’s dependent on her own SMV. A woman who knows she’s equivalent to a beta would be less likely to feel contempt for one, since he’s her equal.

        As far as how women behave when a given man has increased his SMV, or hers has fallen relative to his…I don’t know. I’d be interested to hear. Have any of you guys gone back to your 10- or 20-year high school reunions and blown the doors off the popular chick who treated you like shit?

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      • Not reunion, but an equivalent, yes. Women who trade on their beauty tend to get really burnt when they assume a lay and you walk away instead.

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      • I suppose there’s a dichotomy here between the male SMV and the female’s feelings:
        Lower male SMV + negative feelings = contempt
        Lower male SMV + neutral feelings = indifference
        Lower male SMV + positive feelings = pity (as, say, for a hard-luck puppy), the so-called “friend zone”
        Higher male SMV + negative feelings = possible hate fvcks
        Higher male SMV + neutral feelings = “he’s kinda hot…”
        Higher male SMV + positive feelings = twoo wurrrve (at least on her part), or at least mad respect if she’s already with another alpha

        Note that the “wrong” combination is unstable if the man and woman get in a relationship; with a low male SMV, pity will turn into indifference and then contempt over time.

        That’s close, although I’d quibble that it’s dependent on her own SMV. A woman who knows she’s equivalent to a beta would be less likely to feel contempt for one, since he’s her equal.

        Well… depends upon how deluded she is. If she’s a declining 30 y.o. 6 who thinks she’s still an 8, this rule wouldn’t apply.

        As far as how women behave when a given man has increased his SMV, or hers has fallen relative to his…I don’t know. I’d be interested to hear. Have any of you guys gone back to your 10- or 20-year high school reunions and blown the doors off the popular chick who treated you like shit?

        I think part of the reason that contempt may seem to be permanent is because increasing male SMV, beyond mere advancement in status with experience, seems relatively rare; an alpha in high school will still have the alpha attitude twenty years later, and likewise with a beta or omega.

        But… would a beta who turned alpha via Chateau training or otherwise be the male equivalent of the fat chick in college who wouldn’t leave a given guy alone, then slimmed down and became smoking hot? The guy would give her a chance, as the boner don’t care.

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 3:29 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Yes, I think you’ve encapsulated that pretty neatly, corvinus, and included a solid disclaimer in re: a woman who’s deluding herself about her own SMV.

        I don’t know about you, but I want to hear happycrow’s story.

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      • I think I know what he’s talking about.

        Happens quite often, really, and mainly because women have lower SMV in their late 20s, especially if they get fat, plus the delusion effect. The woman, now 30 y.o. or so, senses the man’s SMV isn’t lower than hers anymore, and becomes receptive to him. Bitch shields evaporate. However, she has overshot, and her SMV is considerably lower than she thinks it is, rather than being about equal, and he rejects her. This is particularly galling if she knew he had a crush on her back in high school/college when her SMV was higher than his.

        The delusion effect causes hilarious encounters all around. But the most common is probably when she still thinks her SMV is higher than his, he now thinks hers is lower, and nothing happens.

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      • Yeah, I’ve never done this, but the right conversation to have would be to catch up and have whatever conversation she denied you back in your misspent youth, this will be personal and will get her quite hot. Then be a real gentleman and confess that you really liked her then. She’ll blush. Then tell her that now that you’re both older (she knows age affects her much worse than you) that doesn’t seem to be true but it’s been great catching up and hope she enjoyed it too.

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      • When western women began killing their unborn babies for the most trivial reasons they all earned my everlasting contempt.

        Never Mind the Balzac

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    • “The opposite of Love isn’t Hate, it’s Indifference.”

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    • A woman man never get with someone she holds in contempt, but I think the spirit of CH’s words still holds true even in that case.

      You are totally unaware of my existence, and I am completely invisible to you. I do not exist in your universe. My chances of having sex with you are zero. My chances of getting any benefit from you are zero.

      If I truly piss you off where you want to eat my liver with a spoon and shit on my corpse, now you know of my existence. I’m the wrong kind of asshole, but I’m not invisible. My chances of having sex with you are zero. My chances of getting some benefit from the interaction are more than zero. My chances of you being able to do something to have a significant negative impact on my life are close to zero.

      What are you going to do? Shoot me if I piss you off? That is possible, but unlikely. On the other hand, you going home to bitch and whine amongst your gaggle of girl groupies is a foregone conclusion.

      The thing is, at least one of your girlfriends secretly hates your guts.

      While girls tend to circle the wagons and band together to loathe on horrible creepers, there’s always a chance, however remote, that one of the outliers in your group might become intrigued. “Hey, RapaccinisDaughter is a cunt and I don’t know why I hang out with her. You seriously pissed her off. My name is Backstabber, let’s hang out.”

      Probably won’t happen, and I’m not saying being the wrong kind of asshole is a productive strategy. I’m saying the worst thing is being invisible. Everything is better than that. Love me or hate me, at least you know my name.

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      • > “The thing is, at least one of your girlfriends secretly hates your guts… My name is Backstabber, let’s hang out.”

        Evil Game.

        > “I’m saying the worst thing is being invisible.”

        As Bill & Hillary say, “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”

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      • on September 27, 2013 at 2:44 pm gunslingergregi

        yea ex chick has said some crazy ass shit bout me and all it did was up my street cred with other hos

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  8. One of the best negs I’ve ever dropped: “That’s a beautiful dress. I think I’ve seen that print on a couch before”.

    She went and got her friends and made me repeat it to them. Then a white knight came in and tried to beat me up, caused a commotion, and got kicked out of the club. The rest of the night I was treated like a minor celebrity by every woman in there.

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    • Stupid

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    • I think that’s hilarious. If I were that girl, I would have been enthralled too. This kind of stuff, even if you didn’t get with her, is so great to hear as a girl, because it makes for a good story. My friends and I will talk about funny stuff guys say to us, days after it happened. And in our heads, he will always be “that” guy. You would be “couch print guy.”

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  9. There is a fine line between throwing a fire cracker in her brain…and sending in the Enola Gay.

    And while a woman’s hatred may be preferred to indifference…an indifferent woman doesn’t come at you with a knife.

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    • And there’s more hope of spinning an indifferent woman into an interested one than there is in one who tells you to fuck off and die from the get-go.

      Getting blown out doesn’t get you laid, no matter how well you stick in her memory.

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  10. “Fuck me you’re ugly”

    Works every time – if delivered correctly. Especially good as an opener, bonus points for the subliminal message. It probably wouldn’t work on an actual ugly chick, but who the fuck talks to them?

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    • yah…i can see how that would work…yah….i’m going to try that…thanks.

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    • That’s only gonna work on an HB8 and above, otherwise the girl’s going to walk away in tears.

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      • > “That’s only gonna work on an HB8 and above, otherwise the girl’s going to walk away in tears.”

        Yeah, like I was saying to Kate a while back – there is a certain degree of sadism in a Player which a girl simply must not tolerate.

        A little playfulness here and there, but not that dark ugly hateful sadism.

        Even a whore needs to be able to look herself in the mirror the next morning and not turn away in shame.

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    • Looks like I’ve got a new opener!

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    • Terribad. You are the reason for the existence of this website. As our good buddies in AA say “keep coming back!” You *may* get it in this lifetime… maybe.

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    • Solid. For super hot girls. Like a cocky 8 minimum. I use a lot of this kind of stuff…the girls love it. The White Knights who overhear me say it don’t love it quite as much lol

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  11. I am still far from good at negging, i always insult. But i am working on that.

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    • i think it’s easier to learn starting from the side of a compliment that isn’t quite, rather than trying to tone down an insult into a proper disqualifier. in order to understand it you might work on non-observational stuff along the lines of “too bad i’m gay or you’d be in trouble” that’s not perfect but it’s more to emphasize the fact that you’re just trying to take the edge and feeling of pursuit out of the interaction. if you intrigue her or put her on her heels just a little, so much the better. but you are basically buying time for her to get to know your interesting self without her thinking “oh shit another guy hitting on me”

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      • See it as an honest compliment. Since the vast majority of girls are average, your compliments will never come as needy or try hard. “These are nice shoes”, as in “I’ve seen better but that’s not bad at all” will get you very far already, and doesn’t require brain gymnastic.

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      • bob and burke TY both, i will do as you advice.

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  12. Bonus points if you can pull it off wearing those clothes.

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    • Are these worthwhile as negs or just straight insults? Discuss:

      Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it.

      This is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh? Oh, it looks good on you though. (roll eyes theatrically)

      Hey baby, you must’ve been something before electricity.

      You’re a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

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  13. not seeing the fine line .. that is idiot game unless you have built a bit of intimacy..and even then very low quality delivery.. now idiot game works sometimes true.. but..you are still an idiot

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  14. So you live and learn, and stop being one. How else are you supposed to do it?
    WTF? Anyone here born edumacated on opposite-sex matters straight out mama’s vulva?

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  15. on September 25, 2013 at 10:16 am Subarctic Hillbilly

    An old standby, “Why do you look familiar?”

    It works especially well on bangin’ hot broads who are surrounded by simpering sycophants. Because everyone knows who they are, don’t they? Don’t they? Who are you that you aren’t impressed by their majestic hotness?

    It immediately reverses their normal frame.

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  16. “horrible negger”

    Wow. Just wow.

    Really?

    Dass raaayycist!!!!!1

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  17. I need some advice on a good response to the question from a girl, “Do/Did you miss me?”

    “Yes” is too beta, but “No” might push her away. The best I have come up with is, “Not yet, all my kisses have landed on target.”

    Good? Bad? Anything better?

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    • I got this all the time from the girl I was seeing. That and:

      “Am I pretty?”

      Me: “Am I tall?”

      Me: “Am I handsome?”

      For “Did you miss me?”

      “Did you go away?”

      “Nahhhhhhhh”

      “Oh look, it’s a dog pushing a baby carriage…”

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      • i sort of blew this one, i got that exactly last night from a prior hookup that honestly just lost interest in me. i went with a sarcastic ‘every day every hour every minute’ but it wasn’t what was needed at all. on the flipside it woke me up that my internal instincts suck, i got it together and met a girl on her 21er and salvaged some value.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 10:44 am Cad and Bounder

      “Do/Did you miss me?’

      1. You don’t need to answer this question directly. In fact, by doing so, you are passing up a good opportunity to tease her. You could just playfully ignore it, change the subject completely. She’ll come back to it. You tease her again. She’s not supposed to be dictating the play. You are.

      2. If you feel really must answer it then say something like ” Sure I was looking forward to seeing you (slightly teasing possibly insincere voice) (pause) BUT just think what YOU were thinking about before seeing me” (half smile)

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 10:45 am RappaccinisDaughter

      “Only when I forget to focus on the front sight.”

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    • “Do/Did you miss me?”

      “I dunno. Who are you, again?”

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      • “Sure, but if you think I’m gonna chase after you like a puppy-dog, you’ve lost your mind.”

        The old fart who taught me that line, taught me more about dealing with women than just about anything else I’ve ever read. Viva you old farts.

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    • Yeah, like I miss my last cold sore outbreak.

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      • If she’s genuinely asking she is already somewhat invested, missing you and wondering if the feeling is mutual. Playful responses are always good, but coming from the right frame you can answer yes. Don’t get so concerned about the exact right words marking you beta cause you want so badly to be alfalfa. In my experience you can say just about anything if your innner state is non-needy. Mix it up, keep her guessing everytime she asks. I usually flip this by asking if the girl misses me very early on, but only in person and done with a wry, jackass a smile. I have never gotten a no and they love to play along and return the question to which I’ll give an amplified response about the sleepless nights I spend on tear stained pillows.

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    • Your response ain’t bad.
      I like, “who are you again?”
      In text: who is this?
      Also, “I missed your sweet sexy ass” then spank her

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    • I had a former boss respond to that question the same way every time.

      “Like a toothache.”

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    • @David

      It really all depends on the context plus the rapport you’ve developed with her up to that point.

      Overall though, that’s actually a very good response because it shows her that you’re not just going to say whatever you think she wants to hear, plus it reflects your confidence in being provocative and humorous within a potentially disastrous shit test. So essentially it works in any future scenario with her.

      We’ve all had experiences over the years with this same shit test. In my experience, the best ways to deal with them are:

      • How you did – being confident and teasing her humorously
      • Just right out ignore her and act like she’s becoming a nag – this reinforces how you want her to behave when she’s with you; if she stops asking and starts having fun again, reward her
      • Flip it on her – say something like, “Well give me something to miss and maybe I’ll consider missing you,” then escalate depending on where you are

      The worse thing you can say is, “Yes, I missed you.” And if you’re reading this site then you already know why.

      Peace

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    • If she’s been away for more than a week, then the answer is “yes”. If she’s been away for less time than that, “I just saw you, you haven’t given me a chance to miss you, yet.”.

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    • Reply: “I miss you making me a sandwich…”

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    • “Did you miss me?”

      Just say “of course I did!” with a cordial voice. It doesn’t always have to be witty or combative.

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    • “Not anymore.”

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 1:50 pm gunslingergregi

      I say
      maybe
      then it becomes a game
      and eventually ya can let her win and say
      little bit
      then ya can say
      yea
      so she feel she earning it

      now when she says i’m the best the best chick right
      then yea that gonna seriously take a while to say yea like forever if she not he he he

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    • “Sure.” Short and sweet. That’s what I get. It’s a *little* reassuring… but not really.

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    • Flip it around: “What am I missing here?”

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    • > “I need some advice on a good response to the question from a girl, “Do/Did you miss me?””

      Well, did you actually miss her?

      If so, then maybe you need to be hooking up with her a few days before she ovulates.

      Get her in a family way…

      PS: You can always go with simple honesty.

      “If I tell you that I missed you, then you’ll think that I’m a wimp and you’ll lose all respect for me.”

      “No I won’t.”

      “Yes you will.”

      “No I won’t.”

      “Yes you will.”

      “No I won’t.”

      “Okay, I missed you.”

      “You are such a total loser. I hate your guts.”

      “Bitch.”

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      • on September 26, 2013 at 1:28 am gunslingergregi

        that was good lol

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      • Girls ask: “did you miss me?”

        Mine asks: “Am I pretty?”

        me: ya…..you’re pretty…stupid

        Me: ya….you’re pretty…tall

        She loves this banter.

        Or “Did you miss me?”

        Me: “Oh look, it’s a cat pushing a baby carriage….”

        Just say anything that makes it clear you’re not in her frame…

        Of you can say “Of couse I missed you, now pay for dinner…”

        whatever you say it has to have amused mastery and not be serious.

        Once in a while surprise her…instead of saying somethign cocky, just say “Yah baby,,,,I did….>”

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    • “Do/Did you miss me?”

      “How long’s it been?”
      “Didn’t think you were gone THAT long.”
      “Sounds like you missed me.”
      “Fishing for compliments?”
      “Yeah nah.”
      “Needy.”

      Smirk/wink optional. Last one might be a hair close to being nuclear.

      Also the standby: laugh and smack her on the bum.

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    • If this happens in person, shake your head “no” while saying with deep mock-seriousness, “Yes.”.

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    • i miss seeing you naked

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    • Never say with a word what you can say with a gesture.

      Kiss her. Hard. Or fuck her even harder (depends where you are). Or both.
      If you actually do like her then this is the only viable answer. If you don’t like her then who the fuck cares.

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    • her: do you miss me?
      best response:

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  18. A favorite neg of mine that I’ve used a ton over the years…

    After striking up a convo with a little cutie, grab her hand (kino) and comment on her nails. Feminine women are extremely self concious of their finger nails, to a point that men can’t rationally comprehend. Whether there is nail polish on or not, say “I like these, but I think [insert color that she is not wearing] would go so much better on you because [insert dumb reason]”

    Any guy who has done this before knows just how quick the girl will start qualifying herself to you, and then it’s game over.

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  19. I hypothesis (not assert, just postulate for testing) that the utility of the neg is waning, moribund. Liberated women are killing the masculinity they presume to deserve. The gap between ego expectation and impoverished reality is widening. I have not been gaming for long, but it seems to me women are increasingly narcissistic and therefore defensive. The posted neg was terrible, granted. I don’t interact with very many 8+, granted. My observations tell me women are more and more fearful of not looking perfect to others. Isn’t that right, princess? Everyone clap, princess went poo-poo, and scratch a crayon on some paper, and fell down twice in a race that she finished, and came in 10th in a spelling bee, and … I think the heyday of the neg was when Mystery was peacocking like a madman. I will be interested in what others think.

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  20. “Women are women’s most misogynistic enemies. ” Really, now. Can this be true? Women aren’t nice to other women? I am shocked! SHOCKED, I say! 😉

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  21. “negger” :

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  22. @Rapuccini’s Daughter: I’m afraid I have a little trouble buying your narrative. At least it doesn’t sound like the full objective picture.

    You said you were waiting for friends but fact is you were alone at the bar. The dirty little negger MUST have had some level of interest in you or else why strike up a conversation with you in the first place? During the course of the conversation, your friends hadn’t arrived. The negger must have assumed you were available on some level (even though you claim now that you weren’t, were just waiting for friends) to have engaged you. The conversation went on at some length prior to his negging you.

    Human nature being what it is, I’m curious about the course of the discussion PRIOR to the “negging” by the guy you were talking to. It almost seems likely that the reason he insulted you–and frankly it doesn’t really sound like it was intended as a neg, even an inept one, it sounds like an out and out insult–must have been in reaction to something snotty you had said to him first.

    Why on earth would he have said something like that to you if he has already SUCCESSFULLY opened you–a lone woman at the bar–and you are engaging in a conversation? I would like to know what the two of you were discussing during those first few minutes and what you may have said to him immediately prior to his “neg.”

    Be honest now–did you issue some kind of a “put down” of your own to this guy PRIOR to his neg? It sounds like you probably did. Which would be typical conduct of woman who is all by herself drinking at a bar, terribly insecure, wondering why her “friends” have ditched her. As would the over the top reaction of giving him the finger etc.

    So, some insight (and honesty) would be greatly appreciated!

    I apologize in advance if I am reading you wrong but the mere fact that you are trying to make the negger 100% in the wrong doesn’t fit with objective reality but does fit with your being perhaps an insecure, loud mouthed woman who thinks she is too good for all men, or at least the one who approached you, and attempted to deal with it by squashing him, and were shocked, shocked when he put you in your place.

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    • Good point…unless he is of stone cold PUA type…most normal guys don’t say that that kind of stuff to a person they just met without being provoked in some way.

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 11:37 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I just wrote you a long answer that seems to have been eaten up. I’m going to give it a few minutes to see if it’s in moderation before I rekey it.

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      • Don’t sweat it. I’m sure there are plenty of guys out there who are attracted to argumentative ladies sitting alone on barstools who have proportionately wider bottoms and smaller tops.

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      • Schulby, unless you’re a woman who gets hit on in bars, you would really have no idea whether RD’s story is realistic or not. Lol, she is trying to help you, and you are sperging out on her all over the place.

        Try thinking of it this way: You want the girl to think you’re a badboy jerk (inducing annoyance, irritation), not a tool (inducing contempt, amused disdain), or a creepy a**hole (inducing anger, revulsion). RD’s admirer was in the tool/creep category. Many guys fall in that category when trying to neg, and just because women laugh about you afterwards with their friends (and we do) does *not* mean you’ll get numbers or anything else from them. We may be annoyed and intrigued by the badboy jerks, but we laugh about the creeps and tools. I would have laughed at that guy in the bar, rolled my eyes and walked away. Contempt is a close cousin to indifference, which is about as far away from attraction as you can get.

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      • Sounds better than a muffin top.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 11:36 am RappaccinisDaughter

      I’ll respond to both this comment and the one immediately below (“Also forgot to ask RD, do you in fact have a big ass and tiny tatas?”) at once.

      To start: My measurements are 35(A)-25-36.5, if that helps.

      You asked for some clarification. This wasn’t a hookup bar; this was a Michelin-starred place in a very chichi part of the District where the appetizers start at $18 and all the men wear ties. A DC-power-broker kind of place.

      As for whether I insulted him, the short answer is no, but I’m happy to provide more detail. I can’t remember the conversation word-for-word, but it followed this general gist:

      Dude in very nice suit: What’s that you’re drinking?
      Me: Ardbeg, actually. Do you like Scotch?
      DIVNS: Not really. I know that’s not cool to say. Scotch snobbery is the new beer snobbery, I think.
      Me: And beer snobbery WAS the new wine snobbery. Now nobody cares. Poor old vino.
      DIVNS: So what brings you out here tonight? Other than feeling sorry for wine?
      Me: My friend’s birthday. I was late for the last three get-togethers, so I left extra early this time. Figures…tonight was the one night when there was no traffic.
      (We go back and forth about how much DC metro traffic sucks. He says a couple of moderately funny things. I laugh.)
      Me: So that’s how I wound up sitting here being awkward. And you? What brings you out tonight?
      DIVNS: (Ignores my question): You don’t look awkward.
      Me: So the Scotch is working! I knew the kids in high school were right when they said it was cool to drink.
      DIVNS: (leans in): You know, those childbearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.
      Me: Go fuck yourself.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 12:02 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      OK, I’m going to go ahead and re-type this, since WordPress appears to have eaten my first reply.

      You asked me a question below about whether his evaluation of my physique was correct. My measurements are 35A-25-36.5, if that helps answer it.

      Second, you wanted to know if I’d set him off somehow. Short answer, no, but I’m happy to supply more detail. Keep in mind that this was some time ago, so I don’t remember it word-for-word, but this is about the general gist.

      Another piece of information that bears on the discussion is that this was not some pickup bar loaded with duckfaces and dudes in Tapout shirts. This was the kind of place where appetizers start at $18 and all the men wear ties. A DC-power-broker kind of place.

      Dude in very nice suit: So what is that you’re drinking?
      Me: Ardbeg, actually. Do you like Scotch?
      DIVNS: Not really. I know that’s not cool to say anymore. Scotch snobbery is the new beer snobbery.
      Me: And beer snobbery was the new wine snobbery. Poor vino. Nobody cares about it anymore.
      DIVNS: So what brings you out here tonight, other than feeling sorry for wine?
      Me: It’s my friend’s birthday. I was late for the last three get-togethers, so I left extra early this time. Figures, this is the one time that there’s no traffic.
      (We go back and forth about how much DC traffic sucks. He says a couple of funny things. I laugh at them.)
      Me: So that’s how I wound up sitting here, looking awkward. How about you? What brings you out here tonight?
      Him: (Ignoring my question): You don’t look awkward.
      Me: Oh, good! See, I knew the kids in middle school were right when they said drinking made you look cool.
      Him: (Leaning in): You know, those child-bearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.
      Me: Go fuck yourself.

      So, schulby, you be the judge…

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  23. Also forgot to ask RD, do you in fact have a big ass and tiny tatas? Reality is relevant to a discussion like this. Or else don’t ever try to say that you want an honest man, because if he was being honest although blunt, maybe the real issue here is you need to hit the gym more often as opposed to stuffing your face with your friends and guzzling alcohol at the bars.

    Just a thought. Self improvement never hurt anyone.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 12:48 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      One more time, and then I officially give up:

      My measurements are 35A-25-36.5, if that helps answer it.

      Second, you wanted to know if I’d set him off somehow. Short answer, no, but I’m happy to supply more detail. Keep in mind that this was some time ago, so I don’t remember it word-for-word, but this is about the general gist.

      Another piece of information that bears on the discussion is that this was not some pickup bar loaded with duckfaces and dudes in Tapout shirts. This was the kind of place where appetizers start at $18 and all the men wear ties. A DC-power-broker kind of place.

      Dude in very nice suit: So what is that you’re drinking?
      Me: Ardbeg, actually. Do you like Scotch?
      DIVNS: Not really. I know that’s not cool to say anymore. Scotch snobbery is the new beer snobbery.
      Me: And beer snobbery was the new wine snobbery. Poor vino. Nobody cares about it anymore.
      DIVNS: So what brings you out here tonight, other than feeling sorry for wine?
      Me: It’s my friend’s birthday. I was late for the last three get-togethers, so I left extra early this time. Figures, this is the one time that there’s no traffic.
      (We go back and forth about how much DC traffic sucks. He says a couple of funny things. I laugh at them.)
      Me: So that’s how I wound up sitting here, looking awkward. How about you? What brings you out here tonight?
      Him: (Ignoring my question): You don’t look awkward.
      Me: Oh, good! See, I knew the kids in middle school were right when they said drinking made you look cool.
      Him: (Leaning in): You know, those child-bearing hips of yours almost make up for how small your tits are.
      Me: Go fuck yourself.

      So, schulby, you be the judge…

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 1:30 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      I just tried to answer you 3 times and WordPress ate every one. Maybe I just exceeded my word count, who knows.

      Measurements are 35A-25-36.5, if that helps.

      No, I wasn’t rude to him. He actually said that to me after I made a mildly self-deprecating remark about how I looked awkward.

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      • Oh. So, what is your issue then? He was an idiot. Just forget about that clod and go out and have fun with all of the other more polite men who have been begging you to let them spend their money and time on you. Simple, no?

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      • ….that was a neg by the way. See how it works?

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 1:53 pm gunslingergregi

        nj you got her workin
        “claps”

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 2:05 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        The issue was that CH was talking about negs, and I was saying that some guys don’t seem to understand the difference between negs and flat-out insults.

        One of the things I’ve noticed—and this is a point that YaReally has made a few times, so don’t just take my word for it—is that a lot of this “game” stuff is really just taking what women do to men and turning it around on us.

        Women “neg” men all the time; chances are it’s been done to you and you never even noticed it. It’s almost subliminal. That’s what you, trying to interact with girls and turn this dynamic around to work in your favor, should be trying for.

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      • Women “neg” men all the time; chances are it’s been done to you and you never even noticed it. It’s almost subliminal.

        As in “the gist and wit of which only exist in their minds”.

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      • “Women “neg” men all the time; chances are it’s been done to you and you never even noticed it. It’s almost subliminal. That’s what you, trying to interact with girls and turn this dynamic around to work in your favor, should be trying for.”

        Yep. Most guys have fallen for negs but girls are way better at them.

        Like to me this is still try-hard and awkward sounding and forced and unnatural:

        “Your sexy hips balance out your athletic boobs.”

        Like it comes off to me as trying to get a reaction. If I was going to use something like this, I would be more subtle like:

        “You have sexy legs…I’m not really a boob guy anyway.”

        Where instead of her hamster thinking “oh he’s telling me I have small boobs”, her hamster thinks “wait, did he just imply I have small boobs??”

        That puzzlement of “wait did he just obliviously insult me??” makes a difference. They almost instinctually feel the urge to “correct” you or let you know you accidentally insulted them because you seem oblivious to the notion that, like, asking if she’s wearing extensions, even if you’re saying you like her hair, is actually an insult in girl-world and you’re not supposed to know they’re there or acknowledge them if you do lol

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      • Now you’re just showing off. This post needs an update.

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      • Nonsense. If I was showing off, my dick would be out.

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      • Wide backs get me every time.

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    • “Reality is relevant to a discussion like this.”

      What, in a discussion where at least one participant is a woman? Are you sure?

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  24. on September 25, 2013 at 11:24 am Lucky White Male

    Heartiste — I’ve come to the conclusion that Negs only work if you are literally Higher Value than the girl you are “trying to neg” Your micro behaviors will betray your weakling, needy, desperate pose otherwise – and you will inevitably look try hard

    Because when you are Higher Value than a girl – sympathetic condescension and natural contempt just come naturally. When you are ACTUALLY Higher Value to a girl, you will find Negs naturally spilling out of your mouth

    As you wrote once CH, The moment you “try” to do something socially, anything, you will lose – because your micro behaviors will expose you even if “consciously” you are putting on your best face

    “Covering up” your lower value to a certain girl, or trying to “play it off” with the “well-placed Neg” never works.

    You must actually BE Higher Value than * most * Hot Girls ( my latest definution: meaning be above the “attraction threshold of most hot girls). While, at the same time, hitting on girls in real life, preferably during the day while sober, and processing the feedback they are giving you ( credit: Krauser). The goal is to get reference experiences picking up unknown strange hot ass young babes (19-24) and bedding them without leaning on your money, your status

    Your Negs will become more effortless, impactful and believable under such a program

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  25. Used successfuly on a girl doing some photography.

    “I like that you have cool hobies. So many hot girls never seem to develop any.”

    She said thank you and was all happy right after I told it to her then a minute later when it sunk in got a little fiesty and let me tease her for a while.

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  26. OK, as a long time nice guy beta provider I have a hard time with negs; they come off too harsh and insulting. I am getting a little better at it; I practice on a couple of hot but “taken” girls at church and they’ve taken to texting me at random times… But even my limited understanding could see what was wrong with that neg – don’t neg what can’t be changed. The “atheletic boobs” is a great save but “small tits” isn’t something she can control. Hairstyle, dress, choice of friends, choice of jobs (I constantly pick on “HR Babe” for her career choice and she just eats it up) are all fair game but fundamental body size and shape (apart from what can be changed through diet and exercise) are, I would think, largely off limits.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 1:54 pm gunslingergregi

      chicks can change tit size

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    • Yep, it’s a good rule of thumb, especially when you’re starting out and learning to calibrate. Like oldschool David DeAngelo said: “you can make fun of her shirt but not her face…because she can’t change her face, but she can go put on a different shirt.”

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  27. ‘Study: Marriages more satisfying when wives are thinner than their husbands.’

    When a woman honestly loves and submits to a man, she will do everything in her power to look her most attractive for him — because she knows that he has options. So, relationships where the woman looks after herself are relationships that are more likely to contain the aforementioned dynamic. Which probably leads to this result. That’s my theory.

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  28. I could be wrong but I would think that negs are good for initial attraction and to get you into her brain…but generally not for arousal. I would think that too many would be tingle extinguishers.

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    • Negs are just for the start, to break down her bitch shield if you run into one.

      The teasing that goes on later in the interaction is done as flirty teasing and with both of you KNOWING you’re flirting, VS the start where you don’t have that sub-communicated agreement yet.

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  29. I felt this applies to game.. but more than that life..

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  30. “You know, with all the terrible looking Skrillex haircuts girls have on this campus, your hair looks decent.”

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    • To CH’s point: that’s an insult, not a neg.

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      • Don’t know if I agree with you on that. I’ve used it and it’s worked really well. Bear in mind, I’m not using this on girls who HAVE Skrillex hair cuts.

        Think of it more like, “Ah… You’re normal, what a breath of fresh air.”

        And actually, I think when I’ve used it I’ve said, “Hey, you know with all the shitty Skrillex hair cuts I’ve seen on campus, your hair is like a breath of fresh air.”

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  31. I think one of the most effective kinds of “negging” isn’t really in what you say, it’s more of an attitude, a bemused air of being slightly bored and not quite paying full attention to what she is saying. With a lot of girls they get very insecure if they are trying to get your full attention yet they don’t think they have it, but can’t figure out why. You don’t actually have to tell most girls to their face that certain body parts aren’t as attractive as they could be–just pretending not to be paying attention will often start those neurotic body image hamsters running on the treadmill.

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    • ^This

      Nothing hurts a poor little waif’s ego more than you not treating her like her shit doesn’t stink, like all the other schlubs do. Full detachment doesn’t work, but an obvious bored indifference and glancing around at others while talking to her, as if you’re looking for more excitement piques a real hotty’s interest far more than trying to weigh words for “insult v. neg”. It’s the unspoken ultimate neg, it communicates everything the best delivered verbal neg could, without openly insulting her and causing her to huff and stomp away. Sean Connery has this game down pat, and 25 year old women will still line up around a city block to get a taste of his ancient Alpha cock.

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  32. on September 25, 2013 at 2:23 pm Jon's Coffee Shop

    Learning how to successfully neg and pass shit tests has increased my social life tremendously. I actually think too many guys get worked up over approach anxiety, i know i did for a very long time. What i have learnt is that girls really don’t care what you say to them to introduce yourself, it’s all about the subtle neg, and passing those two or three shit tests girls like to give. I used to be pretty terrible with women – major approach anxiety and social phobia, but it get’s easier once you learn the introduction doesn’t matter, and that most girls enjoy being hit on. I have found that vanilla game works in any setting, day or nightlife. I used to approach and fumble for things to say, have my hands in my pockets, look away a lot and just project extreme shyness, now, i use this vanilla script on 6-8’s and it work’s like a charm:

    1. Approach girl with a vanilla day game opener “Hey, i think you are really cute and i wanted to come say hi”

    The girl usually rolls her eyes or gives me a faint smile. Most girls won’t shut a guy down in the first ten seconds because they don’t want to be rude, so she will usually give a simple “hey” or “hi” back.

    2. I always ask what they do for a living(seems like beta game, but i am actually setting up a neg.) At this point the girl is thinking “great, another boring nice guy” But she is nice enough, or think i am good looking enough to continue.

    3. Neg time “Oh, your a nurse…that’s great most nurses are either crazy or freaks”

    4. Usually the girls face/eyes will go from completely bored to full of excitement. I actually had a girl who was a nurse lunge at me and grab my arm, laughing and yelling “what do you mean we are freaks”! Easy close.

    5. Pass shit test

    6. Use a charm, make a statement, keep eye contact.

    7. Pass second shit test if there is one

    8. Close.

    Some of you guys might think this is weak game but it has worked wonders for me on cute to semi hot women. Never tried it on a 9+.

    What i like about this script is that i don’t have to think of some crazy opener, and, it set’s me up to look like another boring nice guy but i destroy that with my first, simple neg. Works really well on nurses and HR girls for some reason.

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    • 95% of success with nurses is just showing up.

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    • The career neg is *highly* used by me as well in DC. Career = Life in this ridiculously over-educated city of self important SWPLs. When you ask a chick what she does here she is more than happy to spool up like a turbo and earblast you with shit you care nothing about. When you icepick her raison d’être immediately it is something so uncommon here that you immediately have her off balance and on the defensive. Career neg is a no brainer in places like DC so props for mentioning that as it does certainly work, though I suspect not in all places equally.

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  33. RD is a woman. She doesn’t know what she wants, so I don’t give a damn about her opinion.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 3:12 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      …says the guy whose nick is “Inane Rambler.”

      Mmm, irony. It’s good for your blood!

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    • +1, IR. And there’s something disturbing about a woman who comments so frequently on firearms and ammunition. Seems a bit “try hard” or something. Can’t quite put my finger on it, but it’s definitely unnatural.

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      • on September 26, 2013 at 7:46 am RappaccinisDaughter

        It wouldn’t be disturbing or unnatural if you met me in real life. Even here in SWPL-land, people largely accept it without question.

        The problem you’re having is one of congruence; we’re in cyberspace, you can’t see me, and so you’ve built up this mental avatar for me—some generic female-type—that isn’t congruent with someone who likes to hunt and shoot. If you knew me personally, you may or may not LIKE me, but there would be no dissonance for you.

        (By the way, I’m not knocking you for any of this. I have mental images for many of the posters here, and they’re probably way off-base. It’s just a human-nature thing.)

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  34. on September 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm gunslingergregi

    PS Despite the horrible negger in RD’s anecdote, you’ll note that she remembers him days later. A woman’s hate is far preferable to her indifference as an emotional medium through which you can insinuate your obscure charms. To put it curtly, no man ever banged a woman who didn’t know or care he existed, but plenty of men have banged women who started out with hate and disgust (but not boredom!) in their hearts. Of course, it’s ideal to begin the dance of symbolized copulation in the throes of genuine romantic ardor, but hate will do in a pinch.

    PPS Better to err on the side of too much assholery than too little. If you can’t think of a good neg, dropping a bad neg is, most of the time, still better than talking about the weather. At least you’ve pinged her radar. Because hell hath no blowouts like a woman bored.
    ”””””””””””””””””””””””””

    ye if your a bit diferent apparently they will remember you forever
    had bitch drop by two days ago that hung at my house couple days a year ago with a chick I liked as third wheel but yea she remembered shit out of me I forgot who she was till she talked about it he he he he

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 4:01 pm gunslingergregi

      I guess why the competition to stay at my house my exchick out there telling bitches stay the fuck away from me
      chicks like danger
      but yea the chick I went to the county fair with brother died and she disappeared so maybe uhh
      cause my ex saw her pics in my phone of us there
      the intrigue

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 4:04 pm gunslingergregi

        exchick say she callin tomorrow when she got loot and hotel room with jakuzzi and shit guess i’ll believe it when I see it
        although when I was gone for week she did call me from hotel he he he

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 4:50 pm gunslingergregi

        got my pedicure yesterday from her in front of other chick yea a bit of healthy competition is good plus showed her the pic lol

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  35. “Negger”

    Yeah right…

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  36. The don’t know how thin that line is but it might not be that thin at all since lots of guys don’t know where and when to transition.

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  37. You need to break some nEGGS to get an ovum – to make an omelet

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  38. on September 25, 2013 at 5:39 pm stevie tellatruth

    Here’s the clearest, simplest example/definition of the neg I know of.
    It’s from that flick “Blue Valentine”, in the bus scene where Ryan Reynolds negs Michelle Williams(in short, calling her pretty yet crazy).

    She smiles and replies: “I like how you can compliment and insult somebody at the same time. In equal measure.”

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  39. As to the original point of negs, it really takes time, timing and calibration to pull it off without coming off insulting to the target. With time, newbies should grasp this as they begin more calibrated.

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  40. Is this a neg,

    You lost some weight?…I’ll miss your curves.

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 6:48 pm gunslingergregi

      people were exchick she too thin and shit even though she looked better than she ever did in her life lol including when younger

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  41. Check out this Hamster, Heartiste. The rejection rationalization hamster.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/this-is-one-of-the-most-brutal-responses-to-a-break-up-text

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  42. on September 25, 2013 at 7:06 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

    O.T.: Mind-blowing.

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  43. on September 25, 2013 at 7:09 pm gunslingergregi

    chick you know you never want to be without me cause I don’t he he
    me I like ya
    chick same here he he

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  44. on September 25, 2013 at 8:59 pm gunslingergregi

    omfg
    omfg
    omfg

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  45. on September 25, 2013 at 9:02 pm gunslingergregi

    I put pic up from my time in city it is badass too but yea just got messaged
    in bed lonely
    from the chick from high school
    bout to have a fucking heart attack lol

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 9:10 pm gunslingergregi

      she said sick yesterday I said poor little thing i’ll send ya some soup
      she didn’t respond I didn’t say more
      and then today yea
      he he he

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      • gregi gregi.

        come down south and teach me your dirty gunslingin ways

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 9:23 pm gunslingergregi

        let me take care this business first lol
        then maybe a trip in order

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 9:15 pm gunslingergregi

        i’m just letting out the fucking extra energy here so I don’t on text lol
        plus cumming about three times a day now to keep myelf calm my heart still beatin hard shit

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm gunslingergregi

        got exbitch comin over to calm me down while I text this chick he he he

        I guess first love can fuck you up
        having trouble breathin and shit man wtf

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 11:02 pm gunslingergregi

        it was nice cuddled up a bit watched some home movies of us
        she cried a little
        I had a little moisture maybe
        told her she ain’t gonna get between me and this chick like the last one he he he
        told I was kidding about when I told her earlier her mom gave me bj
        she said she told her friend about it and was crying and shit saying she never gonna speak to mom again gonna kill me he he he
        is that a neg I did have her mom over cleaning house and did tell the mom I was gonna tell exchick that shit lol
        but me and the mom didn’t do shit
        yea fuckin with her head
        friend told her she looks good when she at my house with me
        I was like she said you look good not we good together or whatever
        the friend was feeling a little left out on the threesome
        so I tell her I forgot my sugar moma coming up tomorrow she says it be cool to bring her to hotel but if I pay more attention to sugar momma she kicking us out lol then said she kicking sugar moma out he he he
        got the friends cosigning my shit
        fun week

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      • on September 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm gunslingergregi

        oh yea she saw picks of another chick in her dress
        all up on me and shit
        she that’s my favorite dress
        mindfucked her ass today lol

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    • on September 25, 2013 at 9:38 pm gunslingergregi

      should I just go for it and just tell truth and tell her that shit almost gave me a fucking heart attack?
      she ain’t read what I typed yet

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  46. Manosphere advice requested!

    I’ve been trying to get better at negging, but I think I’m being too acidic.
    I generally deal with girls s on public transportation/around campus during the day.

    Here are some of the things I’ve tried:
    When responding to a girl who has no life outside of school/work and has a huge bitch shield up, I might say something like “What’s it like being so boring”
    or “Are you even human?”

    When someone gives me a bad number, I’ll say something like “I know most girls suck at math, but this is crazy!”

    So what can I do to improve?

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    • Keep the deep judgmental stuff out. This is supposed to be fun.

      Always go to the tried and true word if nothing else comes in…”sounds like an “interesting” life.” With a hint of sarcasm there.

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    • One of the biggest problems with negging is congruence with other things (like body language). If you are giving her your undivided attention, like most guys will with hot girls, and then you attempt to neg her, then that neg is not congruent with the amount of attention you are giving her. In fact it completely defeats the whole point of a neg.

      The actual words that you say, are not so important. What is important is that she thinks you are not giving her your full attention. The neg is a tool to achieve this goal. Girls crave attention like crazy, if you don’t give her the attention she wants she’ll come after you for it. So if your neg isn’t biting then the chances are it’s not the neg itself, but something else cancelling out the neg (like if you’ve just been gazing at her from across the room for the past hour).

      Point is, like so many would be PUA/alpha studs/whatever you want to call yourself, I suspect you are putting too much importance on the words you say and too little on your tone of voice, your body language, your eyes, and the context.

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    • Way too harsh. Harsh means you take her seriously.

      Don’t take her seriously. Remember: this isn’t a hot chick who interests you, this is your buddy’s annoying little sister. You don’t want to make her cry, but you certainly don’t take her seriously.

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  47. on September 25, 2013 at 9:30 pm gunslingergregi

    lol I was supposed to pick bitch up had 9 missed calls while I was typin I got sidetracked she fuckin walked it hahahaahahahaahhaha

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  48. If you get a woman off into a corner of a darkened dive bar and then matter-of-factly start working her girly bits inside her jeans without ever saying anything about her hips and what-not, does Helen Keller ever know about it?

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  49. CH, George HW Bush just served as the witness at a gay marriage. This is more evidence that the Cathedral is really in charge and is pushing homosexuality as part of the plan to literally destroy society and render us all serfs. The Cathedral/NWO/Jewlluminati is an entity that controls all media, Hollywood, and banking and has aggressively pushed homosexuality down the sheep’s throats even more the past 2 years than the first Obama term.

    Now we have Cathedral newspapers gloating that HW Bush is serving as the official at gay marriages!!!

    Christ.

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  50. For a girl with small boobs…she sure has a temper.

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  51. neg submission:

    “That’s a really nice (expensive-looking necklace / earrings / bracelet / etc.). I think I saw the same one at Claire’s the other day.”

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  52. Yeah its hard to stay positive with the negatives. Especially when there’s so many negatives to choose from even with the most-beautiful most-sexy most-fuck-you-all-night-every-night women.

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  53. Sounds like RD has an hour-glass figure.

    (Alas it also sounds like most of her sand has fallen to the bottom)

    ALF

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  54. Rappucini’s Daughter: WP is acting up and not letting me reply in-line, but to answer your request –

    Once you go red pill, it’s amazing how a very beautiful woman can suddenly become just boring as all shit.

    Not far from Corvinus’ assessment. Was brought up quite conservatively and exceptionally beta, which lasted through my undergrad years (I’m a backrubber/masseur type – actual bodyworker with the training for it, etc, and apparently was chickening out of a lot of sex that I never actually knew about, heh), but went through my “red pill” experience with an older guy’s advice and an affair with a MUCH older woman that taught me some things… so a gal who’d been stringing me along was shocked when she decided she’d finally lay me (she was bored, I guess), and and I walked away leaving her half-dressed and seriously bothered because I was actually more interested in getting my laundry done

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  55. “Your sexy hips balance out your athletic boobs.”

    Awesome! This is really a 21st century neg! Impressed.

    A.J.P.

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  56. […] Lessons: Repackaging yourself. Related: A bit more on negs: they are not insults. Related: If it isn’t fun you aren’t doing it […]

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  57. One of my most successful negs was “You look kind of dumb.” That was actually my opening line, after I’d walked up to her at the bar and draped my arm around her. She said something angry, I don’t remember what, and I just said “Relax, we’re having a good time.” After that she was putty.

    I can’t say why it worked, because it seems to break the rules: it’s not even a neg, really, just an open insult. It must have been my nonchalant demeanour.

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