When It’s Alright To White Knight

The white knight used to be an object of admiration, but lately he has become an object of derision and even pity. Urban Dictionary defines the white knight as:

A person (usually a male) who sees the typical maiden in distress, and believes that he can help her. A male version of the “mother figure” that some girls become.

Implicit in that definition is the recognition that white knights are dupes who won’t get the sex they think their heroism is supposed to net them. The change in the white knight’s status can be traced to the change in the Western culture and the functioning of the sexual market. As women have become more self-sufficient, more socially and sexually aggressive, more pampered by the ruling elite and their foot soldiers, and less in need of beta male provisioning, the justification for the white knight’s services has been annulled. What was once a legitimate way to curry favor with women and to uphold traditional social mores for the betterment of the ethnically cohesive whole, has become a pretentious clown show neither desired by its intended recipients nor necessary as a stopgap to preserve social mores that have long ceased their operational relevance.

The subject of the white knight was broached in the comments to this post about a guy who walks away from a one-month slutfriend (“girlfriend” seems too generous an appellation) who had her tit grabbed by a co-worker in a bar, and responded to the feminist ur-violation by laughing and hugging her groper. CH agreed with the emailer’s decision to execute a summary dumping, but some readers were less ready to surrender the white knight option.

For example, commenter Erudite Knight wrote,

You are a joke. It is not ‘white knight’ to defend your property. You are excusing your own cowardice.

This is fairly representative of the thinking of the pro-white knight brigade. Woman is man’s property, and therefore a man must defend her honor no matter how poorly she behaves.

A load of tosh.d’oh, say I. First, it’s been a long time in the West since women were men’s property, either legalistically or culturally. Were we living in such a time, duty-bound male impulses like white knighting and chivalry would make more sense. But today, they make little sense, if any at all. A piece of “property” which can cheat on you at will and suffer little in the way of consequences is not any property encompassing inherent rights of ownership deserving of defense against interlopers. Or: If your property can, of its own accord, welcome squatters, you are a fool for assuming stewardship of such a leaky plot of flesh.

Second, women are not children or dumb animals, They have agency and accountability for their actions. At least, they do if you take a typical feminist’s word for it. (A leap of faith, I know.) You as a man are under no moral obligation to rush to the aid of a woman who has proven herself, by her actions, a loose tramp. If she severs her end of the deal, you are free to sever yours.

Third, acting the cat’s-paw for a low woman won’t inspire the respect you white knight advocates think it will, or think it should. What do you imagine percolates in a slut’s head when she has successfully tooled you into laying down your coat for her as her secret office fling laughs knowingly to himself, his pedestal being polished by her hand? I’ll show you:

All you’ve done is embolden her to pull more of the same stunts in the future. Way to go, toolbag.

Fourth, it’s not bravery to stand in the path of a speeding train, or a serenading slut. It’s just plain old stupidity.

If your goal in life is to feel like a big man through the strange alchemical process of getting tooled by manipulative shrews, then have it at governor. Just don’t expect many men of sane mind to join you in adhering to your quixotic code of ethics.

But this post is not solely about the lunkheadedness of the modern day white knight, a loathsome creature who shares DNA with the manboob and the male feminist. (Pervs of a feather…) It’s about those rare times when it’s in your interest, as a man, to white knight. Specifically, that interest is the preservation of your privileged access to the womb of a woman who wishes you to have that access.

If a guy at a bar grabs your lover’s tit, and she reacts with a look of shock and fury, clearly signaling her displeasure with the molestation, then go ahead and be all the white knight you can be. The benefits in such a scenario far outweigh the negatives (unless the other guy is a house, more on that in a bit). A demeaning titty twister (of your hand on his nipple), a strong shove to entice a fight, or even a sock in the gut, are acceptable measures of recourse. You wouldn’t be white knighting so much as kicking out an invading migrant who crossed your border, a border (and this is important) which you know is inviolable.

If the girl is not worth a fight, but you want to slake a vengeful thirst on both of them that walking out simply won’t do, you could follow this advice from anonymous,

How about you bring her and him into a bro shoulder hug, start smooching her, keep one hand clenched on the guy’s shirt while you send your hand up her shirt, and while kissing you give him a bro face slap. “You guys will have a great life together.”

YaReally also has an epic comment about handling really aggressive douchebags muscling in on your girl. He, like CH, advocates the “soft next” for any girl who has proved by her behavior that she didn’t mind the intrusion all that much.

As for much bigger men, make fun of them. “Hey, man, you’re molesting the wrong tit. I think you want the boy tits in the gay bar down the street.” Try recruiting allies this way, by publicly calling out his boarish behavior in front of a crowd, preferably with bouncers and bartenders within earshot. You obviously want to avoid a beatdown that is inevitable because of an unfair size disadvantage, but there are other ways to socially ostracize a big man without having it come to blows.

Of course, if women want the world of white knights and chivalry back, they’re free to abandon their feminist principles and equalist agit-prop any day now. Won’t be holding my breath…





Comments


  1. Saw “The Wolverine” last night and was saddened to see such a fierce and powerful man reduced to white knight behaviors. At least at the end (spoiler!) he tells his Japanese lover that he’s not going to stay because he’s got other shit to do, then gets on the plane and takes off.

    I can’t even watch movies/tv anymore without being disgusted at the blue pill world.

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  2. “You wouldn’t be white knighting so much as kicking out an invading migrant who crossed your border, a border (and this is important) which you know is inviolable.”

    Exactly. That’s not really white knighting… you’re just protecting your turf and establishing yourself as the alpha male in the room.

    I think real white-knighting is when you see a random female in distress and you help her. A chick with a flat tire by the side of the road in the dark, for example, or a girl getting pushed around in a bar by an angry drunk. Do you stop and help … or do you think that’s beta behavior?

    I don’t think it is. I’ve been the recipient of “white knight” help and if the guy handles himself well… it can definitely build attraction. It’s hot to be rescued.

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    • Helping someone with a flat tire is just being a good citizen. It’s a bonus if she’s cute, I guess. If a girl is getting pushed around by an angry drunk, most likely it’s a man she knows, and I’d stay out of it.

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    • If a woman is being assaulted by an obvious stranger, I think I’d help. At least I would try and do something.

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      • You think you would help or you think you would help if you were a man?

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      • I was thinking more of a woman being mugged. I might yell at him so he runs away, and then I would go help her, and call the police. I’m thinking of a woman who is a totally innocent victim, not someone who is continuing to escalate a tense situation.

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      • Lara,

        …….. Wait for it….. I have to fart…..

        ……..Oooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh !!!!!!

        Now, you shall :

        Detox my Buttox.

        So quit talksin and start detoxin’….

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 3:34 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> I might yell at him so he runs away

        Or shoots you.

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    • Nah that’s over, you have AAA I hope.

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      • It’s not dead yet. A guy I met at a bar was regaling me with a story of how he hurt his shoulder (his arm was in a sling). Apparently he saw a nigger slapping a girl (I got clarification she was white, but he didn’t emphasize it) with his buddies hanging around. The guy said when he saw it he got so mad – because “you do not hit a girl” – that he charged the nigger and slammed into him with his shoulder. It took the nigger out but the other nigs jumped in and smashed him up good. He said he’d do it again too, because, he repeated, “you do not hit a girl.”

        To me what he did (in that specific instance) was foolhardy in the extreme (I can’t possibly see it ending well), but at the same time I cannot help but admire it, especially since he was in no way what I’d think of as a “big guy.” Cliche or not, that’s a “big heart.”

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      • A heart big enough to compensate for the empty space normally occupied by a brain. By golly.

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      • but it was worth it because the girl was so grateful to him for saving her that she banged him, right?

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 8:19 am Zombie Shane

        God damn it, man, can’t we just have a momentary respite from reality and run with the fantasy for a minute or two?

        Sheesh.

        Fucking raining on the fucking parade.

        Make that “pissing”.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 8:32 am Checked Out Greater Beta

        I just had a sad, scary, depressing revelation: everything CH writes here is true. It’s not a joke. It’s not funny. Both about the nature of women and political things. CH is not wrong. It’s beyond depressing. It’s so scary that it makes a good beta male like me find it very difficult to get out of bed and go to work in the morning. (I’m a lawyer.)

        No-fault divorce, women running feral—we see it all around. After swallowing the red pill, as others have said, it makes simple things like watching movies and TV (any of them) unbearable. The blue pill illuminati bullshit is so blatant when one gets it. Did you know that every single kids’ show on Disney features a blond haired blue eyed boy dating a black girl. All of them; not just some of them. I could name you five shows.

        I’m fortunate enough to have two daughters, because I had to marry a Peruvian to find a woman willing to get married and have kids at an age that is *almost* physically young enough by natural standards (28). I want more kids. I’m a loving dad. I literally can’t find a woman who will marry me and give me kids!

        I met a piece of garbage who’s a single mom; the real kind. A beautiful blue eyed white skinned natural red head who got knocked up by a piece of garbage cad one night after “partying” at the age of 26. She’s Casey Anthony waiting to happen dude. She gets no support from the father, who has never seen the baby. She’s miserable, bitter, stupid, totally clueless about how she is to blame for her situation, but society and feminism’s lies are to blame, in the first instance, for how she is. She also clearly grew up without a father in her own life. She’s a total wreck.

        Yet I decided to be nice to this girl and see what might happen, and this girl is blowing *me* off for being too nice, even though I swear I came at her with “confident” nice. Not dweeby creeper, more like I’m the shit and I know you will like me and I can be nice cause that’s just who I am. I have my shit together, have a kickass apartment, make tons of money. The thing is, I’m stupid enough to fall for a girl like that. This girl, while complaining about the father and admitting she went for badboys in the past, and being on match saying she wants a serious relationship, *still* can’t overcome her nature!!!! She is in for a life of misery.

        The thing is, she has great genes. Natural red head and white skin but not freckly even—she’s a work of art physical. I deserve a girl like this to give me kids, but the white girls running feral simply won’t do it.

        This is why, as we have pointed out here, marriages used to be arranged by the father because a woman simply is not capable of deciding for herself what is best for her.

        As shown on page 2 of the Bible, the serpent story.

        It’s really depressing.

        CH, as you conduct your informal sociological experiments, let me add to your data. I’m out. Count me as one of the good guys who has checked out.

        I will live with porn, be with my kids when I can, work, and do things for me like play my guitar.

        Oh…I know I can’t prove it here as some anonymous internet guy, but I am *not* an omega dweeb. I’m greater beta or even lower alpha (when I was in my 20s), I have been with about twenty HB8s, I can be sarcastic and fun in a bar, etc. I stay fit. I’m pretty ripped actually. I’m social. I’m handsome (many many girls have told me so). I’m not that guy from the gamer video or anything close to that. I have friends.

        But these girls today (I’d say any between the age of 20 and 40) are totally brainwashed as you chronicle here. Completely delusional as to what they are “entitled” to and what the offer (virtually nothing) and what would be good for them, and their *futures*.

        My god this world will be in bad shape in 20 years. Unless the pendulum swings back, there will be almost NO married couples and nuclear families raising kids properly.

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      • Greater Beta: You have nonwhite kids? Gross.

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      • “I will live with porn, be with my kids when I can, work, and do things for me like play my guitar.”

        That’s when you’ll meet the right girl; when you’re not looking or trying too hard.

        When you’re busy living and enjoying your life, it’s when someone right will cross your path.

        Go out and enjoy your buddies, play your guitar, spend time with your children, work out, work hard, and Voilà.

        Right now, you’re trying hard to be with someone, so girls sense your stress.

        The moment you won’t care as much, is when you’ll magically become irresistible. You need to chill out a little.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 10:39 am Checked Out Greater Beta

        thank you Lily but that’s bullshit. I’ve heard that for 20 years. Especially today, even though girls don’t like desperation, the guy literally has to make it happen. Has to pursue and pursue hard and have it be the right one. But it always goes bad eventually, due to women not being able to function clearly about 8 days a month. but especially today, while they want badboys…..just being a decent guy going about your life does not work. they do not fall into your lap. I tried that for 2 years after the divorce. go out….be in public places with my kids….women hate kids so that doesn’t help. one will never find a pretty girl at a park with her kids…only fathers actually play with their kids.

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      • > “She’s Casey Anthony waiting to happen dude… she… can’t overcome her nature!!!!”

        If you’re serious about the Casey Anthony thing, then The Darkness really is in her nature.

        Also, if that’s actually the case – the Casey Anthony scenario – then you need to talk to someone in authority, like Social Services [or her parents or her brother or her minister or someone in her life whom she has to respect, whether she wants to or not].

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        > “Did you know that every single kids’ show on Disney features a blond haired blue eyed boy dating a black girl. All of them; not just some of them. I could name you five shows… society and feminism’s lies are to blame, in the first instance, for how she is. She also clearly grew up without a father in her own life….”

        Now that’s not nature – that’s nurture.

        Specifically, you’re describing various & sundry attributes of the Frankfurt School’s agenda to destroy, annihilate, and eradicate Western Civilization.

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        > “I’m fortunate enough to have two daughters, because I had to marry a Peruvian to find a woman willing to get married and have kids at an age that is *almost* physically young enough by natural standards (28). I want more kids. I’m a loving dad. I literally can’t find a woman who will marry me and give me kids… I will live with porn, be with my kids when I can, work, and do things for me like play my guitar.”

        Uhh, don’t you see the terrible circle starting to retrace itself already?

        You’re describing two little half-white half-Peruvian girls who don’t have a father in their lives…

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        > “I’m out. Count me as one of the good guys who has checked out.”

        NO.

        You never quit.

        But, on the other hand, I’m all for strategic retreats.

        To include building a wall around your heart [and a moat filled with crocodiles in front of the wall, and a minefield in front of the moat…].

        But you don’t let The Darkness into your own heart.

        Because once that happens, you lose, and the Frankfurt School wins.

        First and foremost, you have to assure yourself that there is some small part of you which belongs to you and to you alone, and which is never surrendered to them.

        NEVER.

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        > “I’m a lawyer… be with my kids when I can…”

        Okay, now that’s the part of the story which I just don’t understand: How can you be an Officer of the Court and NOT have full custody of your children?

        What was the purpose of getting good enough grades in college [and scoring high enough on the LSAT] to get into Law School, and studying your ass off for three more years to graduate, and then cramming like crazy to pass the bar exam, and then entering the bar and swearing the oath To Preserve And Defend, but, at the end of the day, when it comes time to determine custody of the girls, not being able to call in a few favors with The Powers That Be in Family Court?

        Unless maybe you didn’t WANT full custody?

        ‘Cause I’m sitting here looking at your situation, and the score I’m seeing is

        The Frankfurt School: 3
        Checked Out Greater Beta: 0

        Where the “3” are the Peruvian divorcee and her two half-white daughters.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm Zombie Shane

        And if Red-Headed Blue-Eyed Alabaster-Skinned Chick really does go full-on Casey Anthony, then the score is gonna be

        The Frankfurt School: 5
        Checked Out Greater Beta: 0

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm checked out beta

        shane it’s for the kids you must not be a dad. someone has to work to feed them and I’m the only one who can do it. I let them be with their mom…still better than a nanny.

        I’m not absent. I have them every weekend and see them almost every week night too. they have me, but I have to fight for it to the exclusion of any adult life of my own.

        I know it’s Frankfurt school. I’m with you.

        Lily, thank you for proving my point. The point is EVERYTHING CH WRITES HERE IS CORRECT. So what you’re saying is, take a girl who advertises on match.com that she wants a serious relationship, and if a good man gives even a scintilla of hint that he wants………wait for it…… wait for it…… a serious relationship..even if he does it with alpha confidence and is cool and cocky, and the girl is a piece of garbage party girl who let herself get knocked up by a cad when she was “partying” one night and “it just happened”…then the girl runs…..ya….everything CH writes is true. Get it? The girl literally cannot overcome her hypergamy and misinterpret niceness from a truly confident guy as neediness. Who’s needy is that girl. That girls neeeeeds someone like me to save her…I might even raise her bastard spawn, but she’s literally too stupid to even recognize her need, let alone give any decent guy a chance to even start to get close enough to her to make it happen.

        dude I have no evidence of casey Anthony other than that she’s a white trash single mom in central florida….they are all potential Casey Anthony’s with no warning. Every single pretty party girl who had an unwanted kid in their mid 20s….ruining their party life. They *hate* their own children.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm Zombie Shane

        > “women hate kids so that doesn’t help. one will never find a pretty girl at a park with her kids…only fathers actually play with their kids.”

        Dude.

        You’re obviously in a Blue State [or in a Deep Blue City within a Red State].

        Get the fuck outta Dodge, man.

        Bundle up your girls and your ex-wife and the dog and the goldfish and the family bible and the Steinway* and move the whole family to somewhere deep in flyover country, where the people haven’t been completely corrupted by the Frankfurt School.

        Not everyone is evil.

        At least not yet.

        *And if the Steinway is too heavy to be strapped to the roof of the station-wagon, then leave it behind.

        Seriously.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm Zombie Shane

        > “That girls neeeeeds someone like me to save her…I might even raise her bastard spawn, but she’s literally too stupid to even recognize her need, let alone give any decent guy a chance to even start to get close enough to her to make it happen.”

        Me – I’d back out – I wouldn’t get involved.

        But if you’re determined to intervene, Mr White Knight, then here are two possibilities:

        1) You might try BDSM.

        Really hard smackings and spankings, which leave her skin cherry red.

        She sounds like a deeply solipsistic, near-suicidal masochist, and physical pain might be what she needs to be drawn closer to you.

        [Although the little girl must never be allowed to witness you beating her mother.]

        Of course, if you smack her around, and if it doesn’t go well, then you’re running a serious risk of losing your license to practice law.

        2) You might try the “Christian” route, and ask her outright: “Honey, I just don’t understand you. I don’t get it. Help me to understand what’s gnawing away inside of you. What do you think you’re searching for?”

        Again, though, if it were me, I’d be concentrating on my half-Peruvian daughters.

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      • ‘I have been with about twenty HB8s’

        Doubt it.

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      • I think you jizz on cunt parades — like the ‘WN Braveheart’ story above. Just saying…

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      • “Lily, thank you for proving my point. The point is EVERYTHING CH WRITES HERE IS CORRECT. “

        Everything CH writes IS correct, but what I wrote to you doesn’t prove it.

        “So what you’re saying is, take a girl who advertises on match.com that she wants a serious relationship, and if a good man gives even a scintilla of hint that he wants………wait for it…… wait for it…… a serious relationship..even if he does it with alpha confidence and is cool and cocky, and the girl is a piece of garbage party girl who let herself get knocked up by a cad when she was “partying” one night and “it just happened”…then the girl runs…..ya….everything CH writes is true. Get it? The girl literally cannot overcome her hypergamy and misinterpret niceness from a truly confident guy as neediness. Who’s needy is that girl. That girls neeeeeds someone like me to save her…I might even raise her bastard spawn, but she’s literally too stupid to even recognize her need, let alone give any decent guy a chance to even start to get close enough to her to make it happen. “

        That’s not what I said. You only want to hear what you want to hear from my words, which is your first and foremost character flaw. You just don’t listen. Instead, you think you heard what you want to hear. Lots of people like that around, including feminists. What I said is get busy living your life, and stop fretting over what idiots women are. They can sense your frustration.

        Now, pay attention:

        “even though girls don’t like desperation, the guy literally has to make it happen.”

        Well, if you’re going to go that route and try to make it happen, you can’t do it by appearing desperate. Desperation is the worst thing we sink into. Desperation plays tricks on our psyche, and causes us to do irrational things. Try to stay away from doing irrational things because that is the kiss of death. Here, by irrational things I mean being too insistent and pushy to the point you appear needy.

        So, if you’re going to go that route, you have to play cool and you can’t let a girl know you are looking to settle down again. Act like you just want to date and play the field, even if you have more honorable desires. Also, STOP TELLING GIRLS WHAT A GREAT CATCH YOU ARE. I have a feeling you keep enumerating your great points constantly, which comes across like you’re desperate to be thought highly by them, as well as someone of low self-esteem who needs to constantly stroke his ego. You have to act like you don’t give a shit what she thinks of you. Mind games, remember?

        I’m not saying you shouldn’t be angry and vent out against women, just play it cool in their company. Don’t let them see your searing resentment. If they see any resentment, they compute in their mind that you’re not very successful with chicks and why you’re angry. Why let them see how you really feel?

        In fact, you shouldn’t let most people see how you really feel, unless they are people you trust. For a lawyer, you should know that. There is such a thing as “too much information.” And, also there is such a thing as “everything you say, might and will be used against you.” Do you think this only works in legal matters? It works in everything.

        Both YaReally and CH have all the right advice on how to play it cool with chicks and win. You need to review.

        Anyway, it’s always upsetting that a good husband and a good father is not appreciated by certain women, and that includes your stupid ex-wife and that bitch you mentioned.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm Zombie Shane

        > “Both YaReally and CH have all the right advice on how to play it cool with chicks and win.”

        Win WHAT?

        Win the opportunity to pump and dump?

        Win the favor – to do with as you wish – of an already broken, dark, and nihilistic soul?

        But then to leave it even more broken, darker, and more nihilistic than when you found it?

        I’m all for the traditionalistic aspects of Game Theory, especially the parts which instruct a young boy to grow a spine, get some resolve, and to start acting like a man.

        But not the sociopathic stuff.

        So what constitutes “winning” in this situation?

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 2:30 pm checked out beta

        little scray boy, you’re wrong. I’ve been with 20 HB8s and actually some of them were 10s if that fat chick from the other day is an 8 in CH’s book (the one who still needs to lose 10 more pounds)

        I’m 38….20 is not that many…about one a year for 20 years, with a 6 year marriage thrown in there. in my 20s this blog didn’t exist and I didn’t need it or Ya Really like you do and I banged about 12 HB8s in a 2 year period from age 24 to 26. It’s not that hard when you are truly high value. I was truly high value when I was 26, high flying career, hot, ripped, and wasn’t 38 and divorced with kids.

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      • “Win WHAT?
        Win the opportunity to pump and dump?
        So what constitutes “winning” in this situation?”

        Assuming he wants to gets married (not just play the field forever), the next hot girl he meets (who isn’t a psycho) he needs to come across very desirable in her eyes, instead of having her think he’s just a too-full-of-himself clinging vine lawyer, who doesn’t have much success with women, and whose wife left him a frustrated angry broken man. In other words, spoiled goods. A man needs to hide his insecurities tightly when dating women. One day, if they are together for real, he might be able to show her a glimpse of it, but just a glimpse. Otherwise, he risks ruining the magic. What woman wants to find out her man has been brain fucked by his ex.

        YaReally and CH ‘s advice might be a bit racy and smutty, but it works also on men who want to settle down, not just to pump and dump. If you don’t think so, why are you here? Are you here only to spread fruit school mumbo jumbo?

        “But then to leave it even more broken, darker, and more nihilistic than when you found it?”

        Stay away from pumping and dumping skanks, hos, sluts, and psychos. And you won’t have this problem attacking your conscious. Look for healthy women – mentally and physically. I think a lot of men here don’t have much access to femalehood, which is why they get all hot and bothered over pictures of skanks who are at best a 6.

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      • “in my 20s this blog didn’t exist and I didn’t need it or Ya Really like you do and I banged about 12 HB8s in a 2 year period from age 24 to 26.’

        I’ll bang out a reply later from my private jet.

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      • Sorry, I meant conscience, not conscious.

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      • on August 7, 2013 at 10:07 am checked out real man

        @Lily I should stop yelling at u because at least ur trying to be nice, but you’re still not getting it. Please read carefully. Let’s start, again, from the beginning.

        EVERYTHING CH WRITES HERE IS CORRECT.

        I have not been mind fucked by my ex or any particular woman. But I have been mind fucked, alright.

        I–and the thousands of men who, like me, get it–have been mind fucked BY THE STATE. By the Cathedral that allows women to run feral. I don’t blame women for being how they are. It’s survival biology stuff.

        What I’m talking about, if I had to sum it up with one word, is “disrespect.”

        The Cathedral actively and aggressively–using mainstream media, TV, movies, etc–encourages and teaches women to *disrespect* decent men. And it’s not just at the divorce stage. As this blog chronicles, it starts from the very first encounter, the first seconds when a man and a woman meet, with the shit testing and the snarky ugly faces the young girls make as shown in a post about 9 months ago.

        And during the marriage? Why marital troubles? Besides the woman being unhaaaaaaappy, it’s a matter of her not respecting her husband.

        Women are taught not to respect men, and then a man takes it up the ass at divorce time.

        I’m mind fucked by “the system,” not my ex wife.

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      • on August 7, 2013 at 1:09 pm ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

        “I’m 38….20 is not that many…about one a year for 20 years”

        lol one a year no shit that’s not that many! bro you gotta start puttin in work! fuck!

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      • @ checked out real man

        I realize you’re frustrated and it’s why you’re yelling, so I’m not upset. However, I feel your frustration comes from a feeling of helplessness that you have created in your head. Here is why.

        When you start blaming others for why you’re unsuccessful, you relinquish responsibility and power to them.

        I know, and I concur, regarding the sexual climate existing in the world today. It’s hard to be a good husband and a good father when the state allows women to maim their minds and bodies.

        That said, you can’t blame all your failure on the state or the Cathedral, or whatever you guys call this concept or entity. You have conveniently surrendered all responsibility over to that entity. It’s time to think what you can do in spite of the Cathedral’s power.

        What you have to do is find ways to work within its confines. And, it starts with looking for quality girls, instead of frequenting nude dancers or trashy single moms. If you’re only frequenting those types, of course you’ll fail (because these women are the hardest hit by the Cathedral) and provide that perfect excuse to yourself as to why you can’t find a woman. From there, it’s a never-ending cycle of failure and unhappiness.

        Your first mistake was to hook up with a Peruvian woman born out-of-wedlock herself, who needed you to help her stay in FL. She didn’t marry you because she loved you. In addition, her trashy low-class mom had more influence over her than you, her American husband, and father of her children. Her mother didn’t think a father is important, which is why she never married the man with whom she had your wife. This is also the reason she influenced her daughter to divorce you. She thinks of you as an interloper, not part of the family. A man is just a sperm donor in her distorted mind, nothing more. Who marries a woman with such a background? Were you desperate back then?

        Bottom line, you shouldn’t have married such a woman and mixed genes with her. Unfortunately, you haven’t really learned your lesson, because you still chase after women from a similar background – club dancers, single moms, trashy Latinas…..etc.

        So while the system is bad, our choices also figure into it. I hate to bring back all your mistakes and make you feel bad again, but maybe you need a reminder so you won’t repeat those same stupid moves. So revisiting the pain could work in our favor sometimes. Therefore, if things didn’t work out with that hot trashy single mom, then you should thank your lucky starts. Sometimes, things have a way of working out for the best, especially when we still don’t notice how we keep making the same mistakes.

        So, pay attention to your actions. The trick is not just to find someone, but to find someone good. Otherwise, what’s the sense in getting married to another atrocious woman, just to get a divorce down the road and have our families torn apart again, and our finances dwindled even more? Better off staying single with the occasional ho from Match.com coming and going, while at the same time getting busy on our lives and hobbies until one day someone really worthy comes along. Now, what you really need is patience and perseverance to stay firm and not settle for trash again.

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      • @ Lily thank you again for being level headed, but again, let’s look at the source. Yes, I was desperate in 2003 at the age of 28 to get married and become a young father, as a gift to my parents. Know what? Wait for it…….. everything CH writes here is true.

        No white “educated” girl in my generation is willing to get married before age 34, let alone 27, when they are young enough to properly have their first child. The Cathedral brainwashed them in all the ways GBFM covers.

        So….the only type of girl who would get married in her mid 20s is the Peruvian girl.

        I’ve alluded to the pretty white “educated” girls in other posts. Actually you seem to know me. I wasn’t aware that I had divulged quite so much…or you just know the type of person my ex’s wife is and how she broke up the marriage (which was real by the way and lasted 6 years).

        But back to the white girls who are also not strippers. These are the many 8s to whom I have referred who found me good looking in my past, were happy to let me buy them dinners, and then eventually blew me off for (I now know) being too beta, which means I was polite to them and didn’t try to have sex with them on the first date. These career girls won’t get married until age 34. They are doing alpha fux stage and make fun of nice guys like me who wanted to get married and have kids in my late 20s.

        Everything CH writes here is correct.

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        “Actually you seem to know me. I wasn’t aware that I had divulged quite so much…”

        You spoke about your ex months ago, and I remember how your story was very upsetting, literally heartbreaking, because you wanted to get back together for the sake of the girls and she wouldn’t. I didn’t say anything to you then because you had so many others trying to help you.

        This week, I saw similar comments from you, and I was surprised. I thought, surely you moved on by now and found someone new. But no. You’re still speaking about sluts who dumped you, as well as your stupid ex. You sounded even more upset and resentful than before.

        “or you just know the type of person my ex’s wife is and how she broke up the marriage (which was real by the way and lasted 6 years).”

        Well, I do, sort of. I know enough about Latin culture to tell you it’s not for most American men. It’s one thing if she is a lonely Latina girl without much family (which isn’t that prevalent because they all have large families and they are very loyal to their blood), then maybe she’ll be devoted to you. Otherwise, good luck trying. Her family will always come first, and the kids she considers hers, not yours. Do you remember that story in FL about the lawyer that married a Brazilin women and she ran away with his son back to her family in Brazil? He spent all his money tracking her down, and it took the State Department years to get his son back. She destroyed his life and his finances.

        Peruvian families are even worse. They’re like elephants; very matriarchal. The mother runs the show, and the father is insignificant, usually absent. They are very loyal to the mother. An American male is not just an outsider; he isn’t needed at all. Also, they are very Indian. I’m surprised you found her remotely attractive.

        “But back to the white girls who are also not strippers. These are the many 8s to whom I have referred who found me good looking in my past, were happy to let me buy them dinners, and then eventually blew me off for (I now know) being too beta, which means I was polite to them and didn’t try to have sex with them on the first date. These career girls won’t get married until age 34. They are doing alpha fux stage and make fun of nice guys like me who wanted to get married and have kids in my late 20s.”

        So, basically you’re saying that because you were a beta, women didn’t want you and that left you no choice but to marry the Peruvian. This means it was your fault back then, since you didn’t understand the psychology of women. But now that you do, you can make the outcome different, except, you now claim the cathedral and GBFM’s teachings as an excuse why no woman wants you altogether.

        The point I am trying to make is that there are always obstacles to what we want. We must find ways to circumvent them. I refuse to believe every woman in FL is ruined. I also refuse to believe your only option is strippers. Strippers are an easy choice because you don’t have to work on a relationship if you’re seeing one. You don’t have to worry about her acceptance. As long as you spend some cash, you’ll have sex and some relief. Except, it’s a dead end, if you’re looking for an LTR.

        I recommend that you follow YaReally’s advice on the “how-women-tool-men” thread if you’re ever going to get out of this rut. Listening too much to GBFM mambo jumbo and his conspiracy theories is for losers. It’s for men that need an excuse, for they can’t make shit happen with women/society.

        I know you can’t move because of the kids, but don’t give up on Match.com; continue sifting through. Even consider broadening your search area. Maybe you can meet someone from north FL instead, one who has values that are more traditional (as they do up there). Yes, it’s long distance, but maybe you’ll hit it off and she will consider moving to be with you.

        Anyway, I don’t want my response to you to be the comment that lunched a thousand more comments, which often happens with my remarks. I don’t have a desire to argue over your choices and mistakes, or the cathedral. In addition, you’re not listening to me. You keep repeating, “everything CH writes here is true,” like a chant of hare krishna monks. We know what he writes is true, but why do you have to be a statistic? Why can’t you escape gravity and break free? Just because he writes truth, doesn’t mean you’re stuck living it. If you won’t help yourself, who will?

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      • @ Lily that’s a really good comment. Ha…I know all about the Brazilian case and I tell people about. YOu know Peruvians really well too. lol

        and yes she looks indian and is the least attractive girl I have ever slept with by far.. I was crazy.

        but I got 2 great kids out of it so I can’t complain, really.

        you seem kind of wise.

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      • I hope you’ll find what you’re looking for. Don’t give up.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 5:52 am Vegan Taxidermist

        Utterly incorrect that American women won’t get married/have kids before age 34.

        I’m currently dealing with a situation where she’s so head over heels in love with me, at age 23, that one of her big concerns is that we get married soon enough that we can have kids in the next 2 – 3 years.

        Not that that changes anything–getting married and having kids with someone who’s not high quality (which I fear is the case in my situation) is a stupid idea regardless of her age. Heck, getting married is usually a stupid idea. My ex wife wanted to have kids when she was 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27. Thank God for reliable birth control.

        Regarding Checked Out’s assertion that women hate kids, huh? When I’ve watched my friends’ kids and taken them to a park, etc., I have to go out of my way to avoid conversations with women. Granted, they’ll be with other women with kids or with married women looking to cheat, but that doesn’t soudn any different than the kind of women Checked Out is already meeting.

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      • Matt, I love CH as much as anyone, that’s why I come here. However, I am disappointed that he chose one of the worst comments on our correct position to debate publicly. I’m pretty sure most of us never referred to the woman as property, etc. Nor are we advocating white knighting when it’s none of our business.

        The funny thing is that CH is in many ways a conservative reactionary who brims with disguised despair over the fall of western civilization and longs for sanity. Half of his posts show a firm grasp of this dilemma. However, the one mechanism still available to individual men to uphold this ideal of civilization, namely “protect your person and those dear”, is crapped upon by even him as white knighting, when the term doesn’t even apply here. The irony becomes thick….

        If more men handled their business properly, even without ever having to physically fight, you’d see how fast women come around or how fast this spiraling violence and poverty of thought is arrested.

        It’s funny because when you think about it, if, as many of the others harped on, you were in fact arrested for fighting (I’ve seen lots of fights that rarely even summon the police) you would apparently be both alpha and super wanted by those women who simply cannot help their tingle over dangerous, violent men. Yet, in this super secret case, the alpha move is to walk away and let some dbag fondle your date. He even picked one of the most pathetic responses to align himself with. You’re going to talk this guy like a bro and offer her to him after groping this chick even more slovenly that him? This is class? This is cool? No this is pathetic and cowardly. Unless you live on a free love compound, this is the least practical and dumbest idea posted on that topic. So which is it, CH?

        I and I’m sure Matt and the others are not advocating white knighting, violence, or acting out of hand. We just are amazed that you especially cannot see why this is different from the times when yes, you should legitimately walk away. To us it seems like those people want so desperately to appear like they don’t care in all situations to the point that they literally care about little else that actually matters. Only thing that matters is caring not to care. Be cool. Go home alone with your wimp out.

        “I care very much that you think I don’t care at all!”

        Surely this is a cover for the fear that these people know in their hearts they would have to face if actually placed in this situation. Better to have a fall back plan to keep my head held high despite my gut reeling like a puss. Why not simply mentally prepare yourself to “be prepared” all the time to face whatever as a man. It’s easier that learning hundred of pages of code for what to do or not do to look cool.

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      • When I think of white-knighting this is what comes to mind:

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 8:50 am Zombie Shane

        > “protect your person and those dear”

        The keyword here is “DEAR”.

        “DEAR” is a two way street.

        Compare, though, the original thread:

        “…one of the dudes grabs her tit when she moves in for a hug. She shoves his hand away but LAUGHS AND HUGS HIM…”

        This bitch just ain’t reciprocating on the whole “DEAR” thang.

        And you never go to war for a woman who has ALREADY stabbed you in the back.

        She ain’t worth it.

        [And don’t start in on that whole “Helen and Paris” nonsense – there’s a reason that the Greeks and the Trojans went extinct.]

        Now if she were a nice girl, from a good family, and if she recoiled in horror at the tit-grab, then you go to war.

        But when she demonstrates unequivocally [and irrevocably] that’s she’s just another filthy eBernankified slut, from some horrifyingly perverse abomination of a Franken-Family, doubtlessly following in the footsteps of her mother’s whorish example preceding her, then it’s time to do an abrupt about-face, and announce to the other 3 billion human females on the face of the Earth: “Next!”

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    • I think real white-knighting is when you see a random female in distress and you help her. A chick with a flat tire by the side of the road in the dark, for example, or a girl getting pushed around in a bar by an angry drunk. Do you stop and help … or do you think that’s beta behavior?

      Luke:10:25-37

      What defines a white knight is motivation. If you are doing it for your own purposes, it’s legitimate. A charitable action is the equivalent of, say, an artist making music for his own sake and another person being passively inspired by it. If you are doing it to get noticed by the woman, it’s not legitimate. A selfish action is the equivalent of writing a sappy shitty love sonnet as a misguided attempt to get into her panties.

      It is impossible for the fatherless, insecure cowards in our feminized culture to come to grips with the difference between magnanimity and manipulation, no matter how many different ways it was presented a few posts back (“AMOG Tit Grab”).

      Magnanimity (greatness of soul), generosity, largess, noblesse oblige. Look them up. You cannot accomplish these if you are a petty, small individual, curved in on himself (incurvatis in se) and debilitatingly self-centered or solipsistic. The physics of human interaction just doesn’t work that way.

      Matt

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      • “Magnanimity (greatness of soul), generosity, largess, noblesse oblige.”

        That is the original definition of chivalry. I often ask myself: does this embiggen me or enstupidate me?

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      • It’ll do both…the choice however is how you perceive it.

        In the end it is a perfectly cromulent world.

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      • Embiggen is a perfectly cromulent word.

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      • I agree with the king ..w a caveat foolish magnanimity can be dangerous..many have deluded sense of themselves ..depends on the man’s self awareness.. additionally awareness of environment is essential.. there is generally little you can do in an unhealthy environment except leave.. or change the environment.. those that can change an environment are leaders

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      • I think my response to you got posted right above yours. Frustrating.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 8:56 am Zombie Shane

        > “Luke:10:25-37”

        Luke 3:17
        http://www.bartleby.com/108/42/3.html#17

        “…he will thoroughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable…”

        YOU CANNOT SAVE EVERYONE.

        THERE WILL BE MUCH GNASHING OF THE TEETH.

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    • I wrote a post a while ago about the value of white knighting (value in terms of attractiveness it yields, not just the rightness of it).

      http://feministx.wordpress.com/2013/07/19/the-white-knight/

      I would say that the rules for when to white knight are kind of like this-

      -the problem cannot be of her own making. domestic violence is a relationship she has chosen, so white knighting is not applicable

      – the problem should ideally be not related to another man or jealousy. In my post I give the example of when a man acted as a white knight and it not only changed my opinion of him, it transformed my concept of what is attractive in a guy.

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      • Burn BEFORE Reading.

        (next)

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      • Suit yourself. Your friend, Matt K, thought highly of that post.

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      • You don’t get it. Because you’re not white, he puts you down. His reply speaks more about his worthlessness, than about what you write. I’m sure he got the shock of his life when he found out Matt approves Hehehehe……..

        Matt surprised ya there, eh Eliot?
        Are you perturbed Matt is befriending FemX?
        Your insides must be meandering. Let me borrow your LLLOLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZ

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      • You again, Silly Lily? I thought I was the one who was supposedly obsessive.

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      • You are obsessive. Pointing out some of your hypocrisies isn’t obsessive; it’s laughing at you.

        You replying endlessly is obsessive. So don’t confuse the two.

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      • Just goes to show, even Matt and myself don’t see eye-to-eye on everything. One of the mistakes he and others make on this forum is indulging the distaff chatter.

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      • For example, witness the numerous complaints and excess baggage caused by her historical/sociological evaluations on a recent previous thread.

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      • Mad I have your number? LLLOLZLZOZOZLZLZLZOZOZOZLZLZLZLZ
        Expect me to point out both your stupidity and your hypocrisy more often.

        I’m sure this will cause a barrage of obsessive posts from you. It already is.

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      • One of the mistakes he and others make on this forum is indulging the distaff chatter.

        No way, brother. Take for example the long diversion from the Dostoevsky thread precipitated by FeministX spouting an inanity. It had life because she has made a name for herself in the combox ghetto but also because she articulated a stupid feminist point earnestly and smartly — as only women can.

        Their fuel is feeling, which feeds their logic. I can’t be a devil’s advocate for that position; I simply do not have the stuff, I cannot fog my brain function the way they can. And in her doing so, she provides a fantastic foil, the face of the enemy at its most challenging.

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      • No, the problem is attempting to cram so much contradictory purpose into this single vehicle. This cruddy little one-dimensional simulacrum of a society online must function as all things to all people for now. It must be:

        1) A gathering spot. Separated, far-flung, but similar men drawing strength from the fact that others like us — truthful, blunt, well-read, experienced, motivated — exist. Where we can talk about the true nature of women and the shape of the conflict to come. Where I can pronounce certain shibboleths out loud without being howled and hissed into silence by the mob. Men-talk repairing to the drawing room for postprandial brandy and cigar. Oak paneled Men’s Club. Tun Tavern.

        2) A training ground. Veterans and elders teaching curious youth or burnt-bitter victims that there is a way out, a way to get better, a way to become men. Manifested chiefly through the PUA.com talk. Boot camp.

        3) A social dynamic. Every gathering eventually develops into a miniature society, with reputations, chumminess, flirting, rumors, flattery, combativeness, stalkers, sycophants, leaders, followers, trolls, disrupters, protesters, champions, and the unstable. The public square.

        4) A sparring arena. Wherever men gather they will test each other. They will brag and boast and try to carve out some dignity in a competitive atmosphere. This is more an exploration of limits than it is actual internecine combat for a cause. Fight club.

        5) A party. Wherever men gather they will express themselves for pure entertainment sake, often at the expense of each other, which bespeaks an underlying camaraderie. The locker room.

        6) A dialectic. White men are observant and analytical. We investigate phenomena in order to discern a general philosophy about why things work the way they do. (We often go overboard, and vivisect, hyperquantify, analyze a thing to death — like I’m doing with this very 10-item list is!) The highest-order thinkers are engaged in an exchange of thesis and antithesis to create synthesis. The architecture. The peripatetic lyceum.

        7) A baptism. An entry-level introduction to the third way between savagery and supplication for the uninitiated/aimless. Knowing there is a way up and out of the ass-end of the postmodern predicament helps relieve frustration and prevent desperation. We can bide our time and make smart choices. Catharsis. Confidence. Savoir-faire. Samizdat. Taking the “red pill.” Advertisement/recruitment.

        8) A counterculture. The very beginnings of various rebels who want to topple the regime, coming together to say howdy. Given to petty, superficial (read: womanly) in-fighting and bickering, but also the platform for inchoate social impulses that will either congeal into something effective or not. The revolution.

        9) A rallying standard. The truths spoken without adornment, activating the slumbering silent majority. Raising the colors.

        10) War. The faint gravitational force drawing us all together here eventually devolves into some simple considerations. Will you fight when necessary? For what, precisely? To what extent and at what sacrifice? Who will be at your side? Casus belli.

        Therefore, some approach these fora as a He-Man Woman Hater’s MGTOW club. Others approach it as a pick-up guide. Some approach it as a real-talk safe zone. They’re all right and they’re all wrong — wrong insofar as they want to make the open conversation exclusive to their interests. They talk of banning/censorship, they insist people are off-topic trolls or out of line with the ethos. Few understand the nature of the multidimensional project, and still fewer can operate across platforms with ease.

        These categories are all off the top of my head, with overlap and repetition, nothing definitive, food for thought.

        The point is, for some dynamics women are welcome and their presence is appropriate, even salutary. For others, not.

        Matt

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      • Your usual cogent analysis and stand…

        But for my money, that sound and fury over femX’s post on the Dosteovsky thread was like shooting so much fish in a barrel… no sport at all.

        Worse yet, months from now, on a similar topic, the same ol’ same type of inane observations, perhaps verbatim, will appear.

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      • I had the opposite impression! I was happily surprised at how thoroughly and cogently her inanity was refuted, from all quarters. A wonderful development. I hardly had to spank her.

        Less work for me is a good thing: like you I tire of the remedial lessons to the point of despair. The good news is how much others are volunteering to do our light work and how well they are doing it. Some minnows for the pup sharks are good to keep them hungry. Whet their baby teeth on.

        Matt

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      • “The good news is how much others are volunteering to do our light work”

        Matt, are you encouraging Eliot again? Now he thinks he’s doing your work, as in he’s doing God’s work. Really, Matt, you need to set him free from sucking your cock all day long. I thought you were a compassionate man.

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      • Greg is not an initiate or a flunky. He is a peer, a reliable partner, and we are blessed by his presence, patience, and stamina in the face of your constant vexation.

        He and I probably disagree over as much as you and he disagree, if not more. But we don’t irritate each other over our differences, nor do we make it a crusade to insist the other be our intellectual dopplegänger. And he gets the most important principles right. And he has enough integrity to oppose and challenge my positions without all of the feminine noise you insist on bringing to a disagreement, which strengthens me.

        You would do well to learn from your opponents. You are lucky to have one in Greg who still gives you the time of day.

        Matt

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      • Sorry, Matt, I don’t hold him in such high regard as you. In addition, he gives me the time of day because he’s obsessed; not because he likes my comments. He usually gets angry when I don’t agree with the WN stance, which often leads to a bombardment of comments back and forth. I admit, I sometimes go on the offensive and point out his hypocrisy, but usually he is the one who initiates most arguing between us. But, I’ll lay off him for a while cuz his MASTER asked me to. How’s dat?

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      • There’s a good girl.

        The Lord is a unity of caritas. Satan divides. Another name for him is the “scatterer.” Your needling is the handiwork of the devil. Focus on what you have in common. Unite, do not drive wedges.

        I can think of a half-dozen controversies of greater importance which I hold in more profound difference with Greg than your philosemitical crusade. This is one reason why Yokos are not allowed in male spaces. Your instinct is to divide. If you’re going to be here, you have to behave.

        Surely there are better ways to promote your love for Jêws than to correct dug-in people on the internet.

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      • What a ridiculous comment?

        I’m not correcting anything, Matt. I am commenting like everyone else is doing here. I have a right to voice my opinions or make fun of any one I think is a joke, and that includes your WN buddy over here who has nothing to offer other than WN garbage. You should see the inanities he posted at yeahokcool in “the-self-deprecation-nuclear-shit-test” thread. I mean…..why is he here? Is it just to spread WN ideology? Surely, there are other more apt places for that on the web, no?

        And I find it peculiar that you call mine a “philosemitical crusade,” while you refrain from calling his an “anti-j hate crusade.” My philosemtism is largely Biblical. Most of his J-hate is his own warped interpretation that stem from his own envy and failings, as for most neos. Their Hit-ler worship is at the heart of their delusions.

        “This is one reason why Yokos are not allowed in male spaces. Your instinct is to divide. If you’re going to be here, you have to behave.”

        Eh, yokos? Are we into sushi now? Really ridiculous.

        Anyway, if calling a spade is dividing, then your values are off. And regardless of what you can’t see (resulting of your blind male-love), I am not looking to divide. I often side with men on this blog, save a couple of times where I thought the women’s stance was truer. I believe the truth is more important than camaraderie. That’s why I usually don’t side with my sisters.

        As far as behaving, let’s start with you.

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      • Some nerve. Do you really think FemX invitation was directed at the likes of you?

        You don’t exactly have anything of value to say, now do you? Wasted breathe.

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      • Someone recently said that you must be ovulating, the way you’ve been pursuing me with your irrelevancies… as in “smitten with an alpha” ovulating, trying hard for my attention.

        They were obviously wrong… ovulation is impossible when you’re perpetually on the rag.

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      • Honey, I enjoy making fun of you. I’ve never seen a man so hypocritical, it hurts. Almost everything you say points to you being a major hypocritical idiot. Except, sometimes, your idiocy stinks to high heaven, I just have to point it out.

        And you’re no alpha, so don’t fancy yourself as one. I suspect, even your wife thinks you’re annoying. I can just see her yelling at you to do this or that, and you obliging like the poppy dog you are. You only act tough here, with Matt. You’re his poppy dog too.

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      • Anger and obsession… hmmmm.

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      • It ceases to be “white knighting” when you remove those two key elements. White Knights are so-called because despite their good intentions, in reality they make nothing better. Putting out a fire (I skimmed what you posted, so could be off base but it seems like that was the white knight act) is just demonstrating value.

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      • no, what ron did was not white knighting, it was doing what he felt was necessary so as to not burn to death in a fire. the fact that there were women present is not significant except to note their situational uselessness.

        ‘golly gee, what should we do?’

        the guy acted decisively and he was successful*, that’s what made him attractive to you.

        minor heroism is not synonymous with white knightery, even though white knights believe they’re heroes.

        * lots of fabrics are flammable and release toxic smoke when they burn. he could just have easily made the fire worse.

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      • Ha. All of this parsing and casuistry to avoid talking about the obvious. Semantic niggling, definitional sophistry, anything but speaking to the point.

        Don’t you understand that your very tendency for overanalysis is a tell?

        Curse the canned PUA wisdom for turning this weakness into an epidemic of mutually-reinforcing cowardice among victimized men who deserve better. If being aloof is alpha, being comatose is Alphier Than Thou! Being non-reactive is good, then being utterly asocial is best!

        Thus we cycle back to omega, which is where these cad-wannabes remain most at ease, a nerd’s “ease” that they have the temerity to translate into “confidence” and thereafter proselytize to others like them.

        Matt

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      • lots of fabrics are flammable and release toxic smoke when they burn. he could just have easily made the fire worse….

        It is to laugh.

        I would have banged that supermodel but she probably has herpes.

        Et fucking cetera…

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      • Why did you grow a disdain for Don? Why was he a coward? Did he owe you something? You act as if you paid the guy to be your bodyguard and because he didn’t jump to save you (I somehow doubt the fire was a big deal), you have a seething hate for him?

        And of course Ron is attractive to you, he got your gina juices flowing because he went alpha. He didn’t give a shit about the fire and DHV’d himself as a pseudo fearless man.

        Your post is just more facepalming material. You hate a guy because he didn’t make you the center of his universe and jump up to rescue you as if he was obligated to, and now you’re attracted to a guy who showed alpha traits.

        Shocker.

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      • Why did you grow a disdain for Don?

        because don represented the father she had, and ron was the father she wanted.

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      • No, she grew disdain for Don because he didn’t react well in a crisis. It’s alpha to just sit there while a fire spreads? Since when? I’d assume he froze up because he was scared. Wuss move.

        It has nothing to do with owing her anything. It’s just observing a guy who wussed out and is bad in a crisis. Ron showed leadership in a crisis— very alpha.

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      • So women hate a person who doesn’t make their gina tingle? Because he chose to not try to be a hero, because he chose to sit there and not be a cowboy, because he chose to sit there and do nothing because he frankly didn’t give a shit, he must be hated?

        The reasoning behind that blog post is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. That would be like a man saying he despised a random woman sitting beside him at a table because she didn’t offer to re-make the shitty apple pie he was having for dinner.

        And no shit she wanted Ron, he went alpha. He made the butterflies in her stomach wake up from a slumber. He sure the fuck wasn’t being a white knight like she thinks he was. Had he went to her house afterwards with flowers and card asking if she was okay, then buried her with texts for the next month about how beautiful she was, then he’d have went white knight.

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      • Gio…it’s not actual hate. But women aren’t going to be impressed with a guy who refuses to take charge and lead in a bad situation because he’s scared, or intimidated, or lazy, or doesn’t want to get his hair messed up, or whatever it was. Ron took control, took action, and protected everyone from disaster. That’s alpha. Why do you think women get so hot for firefighters?

        It’s like you’re in a lunchroom with a bunch of guys and two women, and the sandwiches have to be prepared. One of the women jumps up and says, “I’ll do it” and goes in the kitchen. The other one sits there, rolls her eyes at the guys and says she isn’t doing any kitchen work for them or any man. Which one seems more feminine?

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 3:13 pm checked out beta

        Dudes…Amy is FemX using a different account.

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      • Lol. No, sorry I’m just rudely butting in and answering for her. I *think* that’s why she stopped liking Don, but maybe her reason is different.

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      • Amy, I am glad you were here to answer for me as I am on vacation and am unable to make my own arguments on the internets.

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      • Naw… although she’s probably at heart sympatico with the usual feminine skewed perspective about history and society evinced by femX… her puns bespeak a cleverness not found in the (ahem) writing style of the latter.

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      • I wrote a post a while ago about the value of white knighting

        Glad you reposted this, if only to see the contortions of ideologues who defend a poorly-imagined theory of the “White Knight.”

        We all can recognize the difference between capable men and incapable parasites. We can detect rationalizations for cowardice just like we can detect loose women: from time immemorial we have shamed men for being cowards just like we shamed women for being sluts.

        Now, the defense of frightened/frozen inaction is not proof of personal cowardice, but it is a mighty indicator. The worst part of this feminist directive against manliness is that it encourages men, who would otherwise possess average or even exceptional bravery, to become poseurs who believe it’s superior to be a bystander to life, to act above-it-all while other men are working and proving their quality. Because the poseur has some secret insight to what’s really going on, unlike these instinctive brutes.

        “They are clever and know all that has happened: so there is no end to their raillery” (Zarathustra).

        Tell me how such rationalizations are not omega? I could have gotten that ten if I wanted to! I could have put out the fire if I wanted to! I could have taught my woman and the tit-grabber a lesson about proper conduct in my presence if I wanted to!

        My gut, and Occam’s Razor, say that these are indicators of a fantasy life, Walter Mitty making up for real shortcomings in his head. It’s one thing to fake-it-till-you-make it or to act “as if,” but at what point is a man so far detached from reality that one’s fakery is fooling no one but oneself? I would say the acid test is the confrontation that could easily become physical. Which is why confrontations often become needlessly physical, rather than a calm negotiation between firm adversaries.

        This is the point the cowardice-rationalizers keep grinding on, about how superior it is to avoid needless confrontation. Of course it is! But in riding that bit of wisdom to the inapplicable extreme, they have suddenly discovered every circumstance to be “needless.” Or, in the cliché that sums up feminism: “Violence is never ever ever the answer.”

        Matt

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      • Matt, the egos of many will never let them realize this. For others it is too well thought out. My only disappointment is that very intelligent people, including our host do not see how this attitude is counter productive to any type of civilization they long to live in.

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  3. The truth is women can handle the vast majority of boorish behavior, even if we aren’t encouraging it. A few years, at my gym, there was a male employee who behaved in a overly familiar manner with female patrons. I found it a little irritating. I was polite, but cool to him, and he got the picture, and was professional with me after that. Later, I witnessed a scene, where another woman’s husband, came to the gym, ranting and raving, about how this employee was being too friendly with his wife. Frankly, I thought the man looked foolish and was glad it wasn’t my husband.

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    • on August 6, 2013 at 3:43 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

      >>> another woman’s husband, came to the gym, ranting and raving, about how this employee was being too friendly with his wife. Frankly, I thought the man looked foolish and was glad it wasn’t my husband

      That husband KNEW about the employee’s behavior because the wife COMPLAINED TO HIM about it. That husband was man enough to protect his boundaries.

      You what we call folks who didn’t protect their boundaries?

      residents of an Indian Reservation.

      PS: you wanna bet the employee was spoken to by management?

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      • You what we call folks who didn’t protect their boundaries?

        Palestinians?

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      • on August 7, 2013 at 9:05 am Zombie Shane

        Steve Sailer just posted one of the greatest insights of his entire career:

        Fiat Citizenship
        http://takimag.com/article/fiat_citizenship_steve_sailer/print

        I told him that we need to start hammering home – relentlessly – the connection between Ellis Island and Jekyll Island.

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      • You what we call folks who didn’t protect their boundaries?

        americans?

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      • Exactly Eliezer. What these women value most in conformity and not rocking the boat. They do not realize that that man probably was worshipped by his wife in all things, especially after that. Some people simply won’t accept foolishness in regards to their own. Good for him.

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  4. A young girlfriend is having an hysterical emotional episode, complete with gasping sobs and histrionic pleas. It could be a family dispute, broken friendship, or whatever else it is that women overreact to on a regular basis. How do you engage? Is it White Knight to stand by and listen, offering her a strong presence to vent at? I know I’m supposed to be “the rock” but is there ever a time when you just tell her to shut up and turn off the water?

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    • If it’s your gf, the best formula is to listen and give some sympathy, and then provide advice or solutions. If she keeps wailing, you disengage. (“I told you what I thought you should do. I don’t have any other advice to give you.”) Little sympathetic pat on the back, and then head to couch and turn on ESPN.

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      • provided that it is a semi-serious gf, this is actually good advice. except, i wouldn’t pat her on the back, i always pat the ass. make it sexual, even when it isn’t.

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      • Rear end is definitely better.

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    • i think there is. i think this is one of the things women as a general group do, and expect us to listen, that i don’t think we should take.

      there is a tremendous psychic cost to listening to every problem a woman will gladly lay on you. you can’t fix them all, and they don’t even want you to. they just want you to listen. but listening isn’t pain-free like they think. men do want to solve problems.

      so unless you want to be a rock and listen all the time (i’ve done it, it sucks) you should either tune out or specifically nip it in the bud. it’s like in the soft-nexting stuff, you don’t read or listen to messages, because it’s needlessly hard on you.

      don’t train them to use you as an emotional tampon

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    • I like to use my laser pointer. After a few minutes, all is forgotten for the red dot.

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  5. I always thought that white night had positive connotations until I started to read some Manosphere stuff and found out that it now carries negative connotations.

    As Betas as it sounds, back in the days, I used to read romance novels where the white knight comes to the rescue.

    That character was cool in the sense that he had a badboy edge to him. I guess that was prior to the transitioning where he became a figure of lame, as women nowadays aren’t into romance as compared to bad treatment.

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  6. Or maybe, just maybe, you don’t go to bars where so-called “men” feel free to grope women’s chests, and complain about the situation if you find other patrons are taking that liberty to management?

    You’re talking as if the whole world has decided to crash with Piggy and Ralph and join the boys on the island of “Lord of the Flies.” Good grief.

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    • Why do you isolate the advice here to a bar-specific scenario? The “tit-grab” is a stand-in for any act of alpha encroachment, no matter the venue. You really can’t see the bigger picture? Do you expect to be taken seriously?

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    • Groping a woman you’ve had sex with is “unmanly”? Ah, I see you follow the Schwyzer no-hands-you-can-only-hope-for-her-strapon-in-your-ass code of conduct.

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    • It can happen in any bar. You shouldn’t try to chose your bar depending on your girlfriend sluttiness, you should educate her (which shouldn’t be needed in the first place) to refuse tit grab in any bar you go.

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    • “Alpha encroachment”? Let’s call it by its proper name, “sexual assault”. You deal with it with the authorities God has given us. Mr. Alpha can then contemplate how masculine he is as he serves his jail term and gives local authorities their notice require by Meghan’s Law.

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  7. I always thought that white night had positive connotations until I started to read some Manosphere stuff and found out that it now carries negative connotations.

    As Betas as it sounds, back in the days, I used to read romance novels where the white knight comes to the rescue.

    That character was cool in the sense that he had a badboy edge to him. I guess that was prior to the transitioning where he became a figure of lame, as women nowadays aren’t into romance as compared to bad treatment.

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  8. on August 5, 2013 at 2:15 pm Amanjaw Marcuntte

    Fatties gonna fat, malware edition:

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    • on August 5, 2013 at 2:42 pm Zombie Shane

      Jesus H Christ, the bitch in that commercial ain’t fat – by 21st Century standards, she’s downright anorexic.

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    • I find it hilarious the lengths feminists will go to to convince themselves that men being attracted to thin women is social conditioning, not biology.

      “This action group will really put a huge dent in those bastard designers.” lol

      I think I’ll outlaw Dove soap in the house from now on. Don’t want my women supporting this kind of shit.

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      • It seems like you could combat feminist crap in term of attraction quite easily, by simply asking them why they are attracted to good looking men instead of kind-hearted fat nerds who have decent tech jobs. It’s literally apples to apples except in the man’s case he actually make some money and she still will not be attracted to him. Common sense escapes many.

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  9. I think most of you still have it wrong.

    If you want alpha look at “Ryan” from “The Office”.

    Someone spilled a milkshake on his girlfriend and he laughed because he thought it was funny. Notice he didn’t try to beat him up, he laughed.

    A big black dude who worked in the warehouse made a sexual comment to her after she said something snarky and he says “Kelly, you insulted the gentleman, apologize”.

    It’s counter-intuitive but not giving a shit and taking the other guy’s side probably gets better results.

    It’s funny but you guys are kinda old fashioned in a way, not that I don’t agree with most of it.

    In the sense that you assume white knighting is alpha.

    Once this girl in the office where I worked had a male coworker roughhousing her, she semi-seriously said “John protect me”.

    I stood there with my hands in my pockets and a shit eating grin with a look that said “I ain’t your boyfriend honey” while he play -roughed her up a little.

    Should have seen the look in her eyes.

    Otherwise if she’s into it I say forget about her for a while and go talk to other girls.That’s assuming this is not “your property”, wife, daughter, whatever.

    But these days you might be hard pressed to declare any woman your “property”.

    Should a man stick up for any woman with the way things currently are? That is an interesting question…

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    • on August 5, 2013 at 3:15 pm Zombie Shane

      > “A big black dude who worked in the warehouse made a sexual comment to her after she said something snarky and he says “Kelly, you insulted the gentleman, apologize”.”

      From a script written by a n*gger-loving Frankfurt School j*w.

      Guaran-damn-teed.

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      • Probably, but it still works.

        Little white boy had nothing to gain fighting someone who would flatten him, everything to gain by what he did.

        It pissed his girlfriend off that he wouldn’t stand up for her but all it does is make her want to give him more pussy.

        The dynamic in that relationship was obviously written by someone who understood game.

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      • Sheesh, it’s The Office… the original make-fun-of-SWPLs whirl-a-gig… whad’ya expect?

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      • If memory serves, Kelly’s a darky floozy (Indian, dot) character, and her reluctant beau was the poster-child for the SWPL doofus hipster brigade.

        No harm, no foul.

        I believe he’s one of the show’s producers as well, or at least was.

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      • And she had already slept with the black guy.

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      • No it was Patrice O’Neal’s character, Kelly was with Darryl.

        Guess they all look alike to some people

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      • on August 5, 2013 at 8:21 pm Zombie Shane

        > “If memory serves, Kelly’s a darky floozy (Indian, dot) character, and her reluctant beau was the poster-child for the SWPL doofus hipster brigade.”

        FX & MK ?!?

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      • Heh, heh… are you saying art imitates life?

        FX may be a dark floozy, but Matt’s no SWPL doofus hipster.

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      • You may want to rethink Everything you think you know. In that particular scene, Ryan is being mocked. He is frightened by the big scary black man.

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      • Ryan was correct, she did insult him, no reason for him to fight someone because she has a mouth.

        Ryan has uncaring asshole game mastered.

        Michael Scott: Heart disease kills more people than balers.
        Lonny: That’s called having a fat butt, Michael.
        Michael Scott: No. No, it’s sedentary.
        Lonny: Yeah, yeah, that’s fat butt disease. That’s what you suffer from? You have fat butt disease, Michael?
        Kelly Kapoor: Excuse me, sea monster, you weigh like a thousand pounds.
        Lonny: Yeah?
        Kelly Kapoor: Yeah.
        Lonny: I bet you’d like to swim with this sea monster, wouldn’t you?
        Kelly Kapoor: Ryan!
        Lonny: Dude, please tell your girl to shut up.
        Kelly Kapoor: What?
        Ryan Howard: Kelly, you’ve insulted the gentleman. Please apologize.
        Kelly Kapoor: Are you kidding me?

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    • Ryan legitimately does not care about Kelly, which is why that works. Now please assume that Ryan cares about Kelly. Is it still “alpha,” for him to just laugh and do nothing?

      Common sense, people. Stick up for what you care about.

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      • tee-vee = gay

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      • If you’re gonna put the cheese into eggs, best make the full omelette:

        tee-vee = gheeeey.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 5:49 am Zombie Shane

        Except for Breaking Bad.

        And Longmire.

        Can’t watch The Walking Dead anymore cause it’s just too violent for the kids and their baby mommas.

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      • “Ryan legitimately does not care about Kelly, which is why that works”

        Sure, because alpha is what women want.

        If you were still alpha, you wouldn’t care.

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      • Mindy Kaling is a funny chick precisely because she understands how male-female relations work.

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      • “Darryl Philbin is the most complicated man I have ever met. Who says exactly what they’re thinking? What kind of game is that?”

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      • Not to take away from that masterful retard-chomp-at-ear analysis, but maybe it’s possible to both be alpha and care about people?

        Remaining non-reactive != uncaring.

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      • Not really, no.

        Sorry dark triads really don’t care about people, they are narcissists, Machiavellian and psychos.

        Maybe posers following rules to imitate them…

        But there you are…not really alpha.

        Are you?

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      • Dark Triad != alpha. Let’s let Aristotle clarify the disconnect:

        “To the mean in some cases the deficiency, in some the excess is more opposed; e.g. it is not rashness, which is an excess, but cowardice, which is a deficiency, that is more opposed to courage, and not insensibility, which is a deficiency, but self-indulgence, which is an excess, that is more opposed to temperance. This happens from two reasons, one being drawn from the thing itself; for because one extreme is nearer and liker to the intermediate, we oppose not this but rather its contrary to the intermediate. E.g. since rashness is thought liker and nearer to courage, and cowardice more unlike, we oppose rather the latter to courage.”

        So yes, step 1 is going to the opposite extreme of beta-dom and its uber considerateness, supplication, etc — being an arrogant “uncaring” asshole. This is closer to what women want and really, closer to what causes other men to react to you — (if you have to choose between being a liked non-threat and a hated threat…always choose the latter); and this likeness is what causes those dark triad traits to correlate with increased attraction, etc.

        However, there’s still a lot more to it than that. The naked insolence of cocky is fine, but when you add ‘funny,’ it becomes well-bred insolence.

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  10. Random tangent. I really find the whole posting engagement photos on Facebook annoying. I also don’t know when it started, but have recently seen a rash of professional pregnancy photos that just appear comical.

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  11. The action is question is a bit complicated, while I would certainly NEXT that girl, to not say anything is stupid. Its like if someone spills a beer on your motorcycle, are you not going to say anything because ‘its just a machine’?

    That girl is a slut, and likely a feminist whore, the action is NOT to defend her, but to defend yourself. What if the next girl you bring it gets grabbed by some guy you are not going to challenge?

    I think everyone who wouldn’t say shit are cowards, as there is a LONG list of options between fighting someone (thus getting the law involved) and making sure YOU are not disrespected.

    Anyone who rationalizes that ‘they would not have said anything because thats not alpha’ can delude themselves if they want. It is not for that dumb sluts sake, its for your own.

    http://eruditeknight.wordpress.com/2013/08/02/white-knight-suicidal-idea-now-might-have-been-good-then/

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  12. I am a big dude, and if I was the sort of man who would grab a woman’s tit within eyeshot of her supposed man or otherwise; you better be able to handle me, and the series of bouncers who are going to do their absolute best to raise their stock in the eyes of hapless sluts incapable of closing their legs in the face of brutish man power throwing both of us out to the street and appropriately timed so the police wagon patrolling the bar scene can take us both away. Alcohol, courage, and pussy do not go together in public bar brawls very often.

    No, best to talk your way out regardless.

    Besides, if they just throw you out, the dude got kicked out with you, and I am sure he will take the loss of his entrance and beer fees out your ass. Instead, when going out, never travel alone, and don’t be stupid. Get out of there, and give an anonymous tip to the local women’s office of the police department with your girl on the phone claiming you are angry and about to go out to a fight to defend her honor, and that the mean dude was huge. Try thinking of something funnier then the big hombre being carted out with rabbid screaming feminist police? I did not think so.

    One night in the slammer and he will think twice before grabbing another tit without approval; and in front of closed doors. Probably smile at you and buy you a beer in honor of your intellectual prowess.

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    • “I am a big dude, and if I was the sort of man who would grab a woman’s tit within eyeshot of her supposed man or otherwise; you better be able to handle me, and the series of bouncers who are going to do their absolute best to raise their stock in the eyes of hapless sluts incapable of closing their legs in the face of brutish man power throwing both of us out to the street and appropriately timed so the police wagon patrolling the bar scene can take us both away. ”

      What?? Who are the hapless sluts throwing into the street? You and the bouncer? With brutish man power? You may want to consider using shorter sentences.

      Seriously though, the solution of calling the police seems unlikely to be effective. Firstly, they aren’t going to do anything to the guy, if they can find him at all. What are you going to do, wait for them outside and come in to the bar to point out the aggressor? They’re not going to arrest him based on your word, and if the girl didn’t mind his attentions then she’s not going to back you up. Even if it works you look like a pussy that has to go crying to teacher about a bully, guaranteed you never have sex with her again.

      “No, best to talk your way out regardless.”

      Agreed it is best to use talk to fix the situation, but it is the wrong frame to think about talking “your way out” as though you are using talk to escape the situation. You’re not trying to get out of a situation, you should be rectifying the situation and asserting status.

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      • You may be right, the sentences are too long. I for one could care less if a woman sleeps with me again if I already got it, as I never took a woman to a club the first date anyways. Also, I don’t really get mad, I get even. You see, it is not me calling the cops. It is her calling the cops because we are about to mess a dude up; I think we should both know men can’t call cops for protection, which is why I said she calls.

        I think many women would favor a guy who can creatively size up and destroy a situation with minimal drama, but maximum hilarity. Seeing a dude get his without having to lift a finger is very alpha. Even if my scenario does not work, I was merely using an example of how to get the upper hand without breaking a sweat sans thinking in the box; and using feminist BS in reverse to your advantage, and teaching a white knight a lesson by being beat up by other more trained white knights.

        To me that is win, win, win, win, win, get the pussy after…win.

        What’s the problem here; other than you may be right I am writing to long of sentences?

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      • ok, fair enough.

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  13. i have a question that is semi-related. is it beta or alpha to do quasi-chivalrous acts like opening the door and carrying luggage for a girl? on the one hand, beta – supplicating, subservient, grovelling for attention and credit. other hand, alpha – demonstrating strength, protective ability, control, assuming masculine roles. i think it depends on intent and why the act is performed.

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    • “demonstrating strength, protective ability, control, assuming masculine roles…”

      That’s provider stuff.

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      • that’s obviously the case with giving flowers. but what about stuff that is basic good manners. its one thing to cultivate an aloof asshole image, its another thing to seem uncultured and low class.

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      • I will open my woman’s car door, grab her butt in public, help her with her bags into/out of the hotel, carry her upstairs to throw her on the bed to (1) eat her out then (2) fuck her in any way I please. But the second she starts to expect that stuff, we are over.

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      • You should never do anything for her under any conditions until after you are tired of having sex with her.

        That way when her pussy dries up it is no loss.

        On the contrary if she likes you she will do things for you. If you say “sure is hot today”, her line is “would you like a soda”. Otherwise you have work to do.

        That is what females are for and what they enjoy, serving a superior man, don’t fuck that up for them.

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    • What you want for attraction is for her to hit you and say “you’re such a dick”.

      So obviously, drop the door on her.

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    • It is both.

      And you should be both.

      This notion that supplicating is weakness is garbage. Your authority comes from supplication.

      However don’t give away that supplication for free. She has to ask for it.

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    • I do it out of habit… I like to think it puts a deposit in the karma bank.

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    • “i have a question that is semi-related. is it beta or alpha to do quasi-chivalrous acts like opening the door and carrying luggage for a girl?”

      Assuming she’s your GF, and you have already established your dominance and leadership in the relationship, quasi-chivalrous action became an extension of that. You’re not going to look like a beta. These things distinguish you in her eye as the dominant leader in her life. Otherwise, what differentiates you from her GFs? Either act like her man, or she’ll look for someone else that can fill that role. I don’t get why men are so worried about acting as the dominant partner, as if demonstrating their strength, protective ability, dominance will make them look like a beta. What gibberish!

      In addition, you should also act like this with a girl you fancy and who’s not your GF yet. I know the accepted wisdom here says to act like a jerk, but I doubt it will work on quality girls. It might work with the subject slut of this thread, but it won’t work on girls that don’t allow some dude they are not intimate with to touch them. Quality girls expect you to be refined, not just a bit cocky.

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      • At that point, she would have proven her worth and would then be qualified for that protection.

        Where the White Knight falls off of their horse is they truly believe EVERY woman is worthy of such protection, which will leave the man with urine on his face as he is so easily manipulated into doing whatever it she wants him to do.

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    • on August 5, 2013 at 5:43 pm Zombie Shane

      > “i think it depends on intent and why the act is performed.”

      Rule #1 of Being Alpha: Always be yourself.

      Rule #2 of Being Alpha: To hell with what everybody else thinks of you.

      If you’re an alpha cad, then you’ll walk through the door first and let it slam shut in her face while she’s still on the outside.

      If you’re an alpha gentleman, then you’ll always hold the door open for her and let her enter first.

      So it all depends on who and what YOU are.

      You do Know Thyself, right?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself

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  14. White knighting is one expression of chivalry and that always implied a social reciprocity between the genders. You be a lady and I’ll be a gentleman.

    Feminism intended to re-balance that so that women “got to have it all” as CH noted.

    If you want reciprocity again, then you should walk the talk until its proven otherwise that the female doesn’t intend to be a lady.

    In the case study above, she has clearly not given her date the respect he deserves so the recommendation is to dump her ASAP.

    So offer to fix a woman’s flat tire. Even if she is a feminist, you can clearly demonstrate superior values. Remember, not all women are bitches. – assume the best but be prepared to diss and shame.

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  15. “First, it’s been a long time in the West since women were men’s property, either legalistically or culturally.”

    Just because society changed…doesn’t mean that women still aren’t men’s property.

    You know what it takes to sell real estate…it takes brass balls to sell real estate.

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  16. If a guy at a bar grabs your lover’s tit, and she reacts with a look of shock and fury, clearly signaling her displeasure with the molestation, then go ahead and be all the white knight you can be. The benefits in such a scenario far outweigh the negatives

    That’s not white-knighting… It is being a man!

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  17. When young, and very dumb, got into several bar fights and outright brawls with guys who were larger than I, who she was throwing the ass to on the side.

    They always were larger then me by a good 50 pds, but I always won, it dawned on me later in life that she, like the bar whore, were playing me b/c she got off on men fighting over her.

    Lesson learned, “White Knight’ as someone pointed out boils down to intention, in it’s modern form it is merely a facet of “nice guy’ behavior, in it’s classical form it is a man being a man because that is what actual men do.

    Classically it avoids Beta behavior b/c there is also an underlying indifference to the female, it’s what men do, in the modern form it’s fidgety nervousness and ‘if I do this, she will like me!!!”.

    One caveat, if a larger man is beating the living shit out of a woman, even if they are married, I’ll end it, cannot stand to see someone bullying and injuring someone else, work it out later on IDGAF how it works out, there are some things that I simply will not allow to happen around me..ever.

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  18. Allow me to put it in perspective.

    Exact same scenario, except you’re divorced or your wife died and now you have two small children under 10yo at home who rely on you to provide for them.

    Same tit grab happens on a girl you’ve been dating for a month. Or even a year.

    Do you still go get in his face and if he doesn’t apologize do you still try to punch his lights out?

    If you take an unlucky hit and smack your head on a bar-stool, you’re either dead, orphaning your children, or you’re laid up in the hospital and can’t go to work or take care of them for a couple months plus don’t forget the hospital costs are.

    Say the other guy really didn’t like you and keeps pounding after you’re unconscious. Brain damaged or paralyzed, or maybe you’re in a coma for a while, 6+ months in the hospital not earning money at work or being able to look after your kids and possibly not being able to do your job any longer depending on the injury. Now you’re out of work and they still need food on the table.

    Say you win the fight but the other guy takes a bad fall, now you have court fees and possible jail time while your kids are still needing to be fed and taken care of and whoops there goes the college fund to pay your lawyer.

    Like I said in my big epic comment, guys getting into fights are guys who are young enough to get away with it, because they don’t have any responsibilities and can afford the consequences.

    But if you don’t know or learn how to handle these situations without escalating it into a fight, you are playing a risky little game in the future when you’re not an MMA-training agile young buck who doesn’t have any real responsibility in life.

    There’s a great Louie episode called Bully where CK Louis shows an EXTREMELY uncomfortable situation where he’s on a date and a young punk threatens to beat his ass if he doesn’t beg him not to, in front of his date, and Louie, a 40+yo with 2 kids at home has to decide what to do. He begs the guy not to kick his ass and the girl dumps him because he was so emasculated, but his kids don’t lose their father over him wanting to “have the respect” of some retarded kid or chick.

    Nothing that happens in a bar is worth fighting over. The only reason to resort to fighting is if you have absolutely no choice, and 99.9999% of the time there’s a choice, even if it’s an uncomfortable or embarrassing one that will have cool eBadasses on the Internet call you a pussy.

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    • You really have a hard time leaving your house.

      This sums up why our cities are filled with crime, our women are trash, families are falling apart, and the world laughs at us while we crumble. You can’t do even the basics of manhood or even just life with rationalizing a cost-benefit analysis first. Try harder.

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      • Have you ever been arrested before?

        Have you ever been charged with a felony?

        Try it sometime bro, lol, and you’ll see why it’s never worth it to risk it unless your, your friends, or your family’s life is truly at danger.

        Seriously man. It took 3 years to bounce back from a felony drug charge and I was lucky to be able to get a decent job at the end of it all.

        Spend $10k on lawyer fees, $1,000 on court fees, nightmares of pissing dirty while you’re on probation, the shame hanging over your head, getting jittery when a cop pulls you over for a minor track violation, the agony of wondering if you’ll ever get past the HR screens. How about that for a CBA?

        And that’s just for a non-violent crime. But hey, since you talk tough I’m sure you did time and have stood in front of a judge before. So you totally think it’s okay to risk your freedom and future over your pride fucking with you inside of a bar.

        Nice e-penis you sling around here bro. I’ll straight up walk away and not risk it though. Good for you for being t-u-f-f

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      • And ya, I completely own up to my mistake and the dumb decisions I made. That’s why I try hard to avoid making dumb decisions now, because one fucked me up for 3 years. What fantasy land do you live in?

        The days of settling shit via fights was in the 1960s. Those days are gone. You’re just setting yourself up to be liable for some stuff that will have negative NPVs and IRRs 99% of the time.

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      • Try reading properly. I’ve not once in my post before yours or the one about Louie beneath this one ever said anything about you must physically fight. Projecting to cover cowardice perhaps. Preemptive scorn the badass so we don’t have to do anything tough or uncomfortable in our lives?? That’s a lot of pent up squabbling over the little bit I wrote.

        It’s just your inner man disturbing your indigestion to the point you need to lash out from behind a computer.

        But I’ll play a bit since it’s fun on this forum. In 1998 I was arrested for simple battery and aggrevated assault on the 2nd guy. Long sotry short, two guys walked into my girl’s dorm room during a party and started taking liberties with her verbally. I called them out on it in a way I would not do now and since one of them was bigger than me I hit him with the bottom of those old rotary phones and beat the smaller guy with my bare fists. I broke big guys nose and they left. Cops came because someone ELSE at the party called the police, even though it was my girl’s house. The dudes just left bloodied.

        The first charge was a misdemeanor, but the second one could have gone either way in Louisiana. However, the father of one of the guys asked me what happened and I relayed it to him. He immediately had his son dropped the charges in the agg. assault case. As to the simple battery, at worst I would have gotten a fine and maybe a week comm.service but a few months later, the case was completely dropped since the little guy did not want to testify that I hit him a few times after the crap he had pulled.

        This of course is not a common thing. Most people simply will not fight. Nor should you be desirous to do so. Now I’m almost 34 and wouldn’t let it get to that point so easily. Be forceful with adult intent without using provocative words. If you are in a bar its easy. Just pick a decent place to go in the first place and if something goes too far, simply grab your girl and go. If she won’t go, then you know what she is. If all else fails stand up for yourself. This is life.

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    • And the Louie episode should have been a sign to you on what not to do, instead of a how to guide. There were many ways Louie could have said, “son, leave me and my date alone, we are eating” without any fisticuffs. If the punk had kept going, he could have just said we are leaving to his date or got the manager to call the police if he was worried about a confrontation. Yes there were other guys there. But his inability to HANDLE the situation properly is what caused him to lose his date and eat at his soul, so much so that if you remember in the episode, he literally follows the kids all the way home to talk to his parents.

      His date knew Louie had no chance in a fight. Imagine if Louie were 65 with a heart condition. She was sickened by his complete inability to act like an adult. Only the naïve and scared think every grown up confrontation ends in a fight. Seldom do they ever.

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      • Exactly. The power of ridicule, deflate the guy.

        In a similar situation I let him make a bit of a spectacle of himself so that others, including bar employees notice his behavior. Then asked him if he wants to step outside. Let him lead, but didn’t leave with him, and then just went back to my table. The bouncers didn’t let him go back in, and then not only is he gone but he looks like an idiot and the situation has been dominated.

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      • I saw that episode and in reality if he’d reached for his phone or even got up without supplicating the kid would have dropped bombs all over him without any consequences.

        Lots of youths with nothing to lose will beat you at the drop of a hat and won’t see the inside of a jail for it.

        Louie backed down because that’s what he had to do not to get his ass kicked.

        She was sickened because his demonstrated lack of physical prowess hit her right in the loins.

        No way around that one, sometimes the other guy is going to fight you and you can either submit, try to fight or get up on your haunches and hope he backs down first.

        Louie lost the girl because he submitted.

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      • “I saw that episode and in reality if he’d reached for his phone or even got up without supplicating the kid would have dropped bombs all over him without any consequences.”

        This. I wish the video itself were on YouTube to link for discussion, because the way the situation is presented (the kid is clearly pretty unstable, and Louie is cornered in a booth so he can’t get out without the kid moving out of the way, and he’s sitting so it’s in a disadvantaged position for a fight to begin with), he really doesn’t have many options except verbally smooth things over (too late at that point, a confrontation was already in full swing), get his ass kicked, or emasculate himself in front of his girl.

        Here’s the second part of the scene:

        http://gawker.com/5615717/high-school-bully-emasculates-louis-ck

        Realistically, he handled the whole situation badly from the start by speaking aggressively/condescendingly to the kids (the part that happened before the video above there). When they were being loud, I would have just gone over to befriend them quickly: ask them what they’re celebrating, congratulate them, share a quick story (real or made up) about a buddy/dad/etc. who wrestled back in high school to bond, then asked them to keep it down a bit cause I’m trying to get some pussy and an old divorced dad like me doesn’t get to tap high-school cheerleaders like they do. Wish ’em good luck at their next tourney, tell them to have a good night and stay outta’ trouble, then go back to my table and resume my date like nothing happened.

        Or I’d’ve avoided it entirely and just told her “It’s loud in here, let’s go for a walk.” and used it as an excuse to venue change to isolation, and progress toward getting her back to my place to bang.

        Lots of options that don’t involve even entertaining the thought that the situation could end in violence.

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      • True, battles are often won before they are fought.

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    • on August 6, 2013 at 9:11 am RappaccinisDaughter

      YaReally is right here, guys. There are only a couple of things worth getting into a physical confrontation over, and an insult to your manhood just isn’t on the list.

      I’m good friends with this one woman, married for several years to kind of a big, goodhearted galoot of a fellow. Not a stupid guy, not a thuggish guy, just an old-fashioned Southern salt-of-the-earth type. She’s totally devoted to him, but she’s really attractive and outgoing and sometimes guys take that the wrong way.

      So one night they’re out together, having some drinks, and some shambling-drunk whiskey tango POS decides to get handsy with my friend. She shuts him down—hard—and then tells her husband her night is ruined and she wants to go home. She grabs a cab and gets out. Whiskey-Tango decides to go over and taunt the husband, saying that my friend left because she’s going to his house to meet up later.

      Now keep in mind: This is his wife of several years. She has done nothing wrong except be attractive in a redneck bar. So…

      Husband, without even turning around, just throws this insane one-in-a-million cowboy-ass backhanded punch. Knocked Whiskey-Tango out cold; broke his nose, loosened some teeth. Everyone who was there said it looked like a scene in an action movie, just a perfect portrait of sang-froid and a guy getting what he had coming. Awesome, right?

      Except for when he got arrested and charged with assault and battery, had to call his wife to come down to the station and chunk out half their savings to pay his bond, and then got sued by Whiskey Tango AND LOST and had to pay about $5,000 more bucks to cover WT’s hospital and dental bills.

      That part sucked.

      If you wind up fighting, it should only be in the same kind of situation in which you’d be justified pulling a weapon…and the only reason you’re not doing so is because you don’t have a weapon. It’s just not worth it otherwise.

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      • Perfect example why men shouldn’t fight in this day and age. Even if a guy is right, it’s not worth it. Let alone, fighting over hos and skanks.

        Our culture steps over manly behavior and substitutes feminine expectations instead, masked as civilized behavior. This is why a man risks going to jail and paying fines if he throw punches around (whether he was right to do so or not), because it’s a feminized culture. Not that I’m promoting non-civilized behavior and getting into fights. Except that sometimes it’s justified, as in the case you told, and even then a man can’t fight to get it out of his system. The state takes all decisions out of our hand, including who to get mad with. This is why we have so many frustrated people around, as they can’t express how they feel. This man shouldn’t have had to pay for that drunk disrespecting him and his wife. I know the feminists (male and female) would say that he should have been able to walk away. Maybe! However, sometimes, human emotions take over, and allowing another man to disrespect your wife/GF is very hard for some men to take, and I don’t blame them. Asking them not to feel any anger is equal to crushing their sprit.

        That’s why there are some men that will absolutely not get into a fight with a man disrespecting their wife/GF. Men today are not brought up with the same sense of honor their processors had. So, it’s an unfair expectation that men today will fight over/for women, where in the days of old even a cheap ho inspired someone fighting for her honor, just because it’s another opportunity for men to show virility. This isn’t Alexander Hamilton’s America anymore.

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      • If you allow political calculations to affect your response to disrespect, you are a poli-sci pussy sublimating your fears into intellectual superiority.

        Yes, the feminized culture is a general issue with a faint, distant influence over the confrontation at hand. But there is a difference between playing what cards you have to the hilt and whining as a policy about what a shitty hand the culture has dealt you.

        Know when to fold ’em. YES. Can we all agree that prudence is a virtue and stop confusing the issue with it? But you gotta know when to hold ’em, too.

        The presentation here presumes the only two options are knowing when to walk away and knowing when to run. Baldercock poppydash.

        There’ll be time enough for countin’
        When the fightin’s done.

        Matt

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      • OK, then. What is your advice in the case RD presented? What would you have done in the case of that men whose wife was accosted by a drunk who didn’t cease and desist, even after she walked away?

        How would you have responded and how would you have handled it?

        The reason I am asking is that I think the case of the sluttish one-month GF is irrelevant to your argument of confronting the man who disrespected you and/or your girl. Sluts are not worth men fighting to save them from other men.

        Please explain.

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      • How would you have responded and how would you have handled it?

        I would not have punched the guy. Simple enough?

        There are about a half-dozen steps of escalation before cold-cocking a mouthy mouth-breather. The man had an awful lawyer, probably settled. Finally, and most importantly, you never act out of anger but rather calculation. It is the white man’s advantage. Discipline, purpose, focus, overwhelming force. The “galoot” did not dominate the situation, he was not in control of himself or the circumstances.

        Tough cases make bad law. Horrific injustices (as related by female bystanders) make bad honor codes. But it is just like a woman to extrapolate categorical imperatives from personal experiences. And to mistake the true dynamic in the first place.

        I say be prepared to fight as an ultimate option and this will give you the serenity and the flexibility to resolve just about every confrontation. Legalistic girls say ZOMGG conviction-prison-railroaded by the justice system!!! What about and what about and what about!!!

        It seems I have to reintroduce you to classical manhood, one reply to one egregious misinterpretation at a time.

        Or you can ditch the pussy fiancé and come bask in my gusset-moistening presence for five minutes.

        Matt

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      • “Or you can ditch the pussy fiancé and come bask in my gusset-moistening presence for five minutes.”

        Hahaha…..we always go back to that, don’t we? Back to square one?

        femX might get moistened quicker than me, if you show her some loot, that is.

        Me, I need my mind and imagination worked on a little more.

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      • Like I said in the other post: “The only time I would resort to fighting would be if a guy was constantly harrassing my girl and she had already made it very clear to him that he was bothering her, and even THEN I would go through other channels first like taking her to the dance floor and ignoring him, AMOGing him verbally, or calmly walking over to a bouncer and having him tossed out (that’s what they’re there for lol). Guys who have to resort to fighting are either 1) young enough to still get away with that nonsense and not care about the consequences, or 2) not socially savvy/powerful/commanding enough to handle the situation in the thousands of other ways available that don’t involve fighting.”

        “Or you can ditch the pussy fiancé and come bask in my gusset-moistening presence for five minutes.”

        lol.

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      • Me, I need my mind and imagination worked on a little more.

        I aim to please.

        Imagine I just grabbed your tit the way I just verbally molested you by calling out your vagiancé above. How will that play out?

        I imagine you diddling to the thought of it while he snores postcoitally after another perfunctory lay. The rest of your life is gonna be like this? I imagine I can smell the pheromones under the lily scented lotion from here…

        Enough? Now note how you ignored everything in my response except for the last line. I know where your tickle zones are, baby girl. Fucking is better than fighting, don’t you think? Purr for me.

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      • “I aim to please.”
        Now, I like the sound of that. You already got me relaxed 😉

        “Now note how you ignored everything in my response except for the last line.”

        LOL!
        I will say, you’re very amusing and charming, Matt. I ignored, because I have a lot of work to do and I am falling behind, so I just focused on the fun part of your comment (although your entire comment was good). It seems YaReally enjoyed it too. Hi YaReally 🙂 Matt and I are e-flirting again. Did you catch that?

        Oh boy! Every time I figure I can focus, I end up posting something else. Truth is, I really need to focus instead of getting lured into the world of Le Chateau.

        Anyhow, I’ll peruse both your comments more closely, now.

        “Imagine I just grabbed your tit the way I just verbally molested you by calling out your vagiancé above. How will that play out?”

        Bad. As long as you keep your hands off me, you can molest me any way you like.

        The moment you attempt to touch me sexually before a sexual relationship is established, makes you look like an uncultured hick, or some lowbrow from the hood. In the case at hand, this lowlife greets this sluttish girl with a tit grab, so, does it sound to you like a girl with any self-respect (however little) should stand for that? Even if I was attracted to you, and you greeted me with a tit grab, I wouldn’t like it. I like more refined moves, Matt. That means you’d have to work harder to lure me in, than a simple tit grab. In fact, verbal molestation works well.

        “The man had an awful lawyer, probably settled. “
        You’re probably right. I thought the same.

        “I would not have punched the guy. Simple enough?
        There are about a half-dozen steps of escalation before cold-cocking a mouthy mouth-breather. Finally, and most importantly, you never act out of anger but rather calculation. It is the white man’s advantage. Discipline, purpose, focus, overwhelming force. The “galoot” did not dominate the situation, he was not in control of himself or the circumstances.”

        I see. Well, you could be on to something when you say, “The “galoot” did not dominate the situation.” The tell tell sign here is that the wife left after the drunk annoyed her, while the husband stayed behind. I thought it was peculiar. What man in control allows his wife to leave upset (her night ruined) while he stays behind? He should have faced the drunk in front of his wife, and done it in a “half-dozen steps of escalation,” as you say, instead of punching him. In addition, his wife didn’t get to see him putting the creep in his place, and he didn’t get any points for it. So what good is it? If you’re not going to receive points from your woman when you’re fighting for her honor, what good is it? He just punched without thinking. This tells me he’s too emotional to be in control.

        OK, so we agree there. But it still stands that men should stay out of most fights because of the political and social climate in the west today. If a man is like you – he can handle himself in a cool manner, as you described – then maybe he can twist the outcome in his favor. However, most men are like the husband in RD’s story; they’re not calculating as you, or emotionally strong. Furthermore, regarding CH’s story, there is no argument there. Why would any man, even a man who can handle such situations in the manner you described, wanna fight for hos and skanks? I still don’t understand why you insist the guy in the CH story needed to waste any time over the skank or the lowlife that groped her tit? Give up this argument, because it doesn’t apply in the CH story.

        “It seems I have to reintroduce you to classical manhood, one reply to one egregious misinterpretation at a time.”

        I think I already have the basics. But feel free to reinforce the specifics. Haha….can I call you teacher? 🙂

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      • “It seems YaReally enjoyed it too.”

        O ya, I’m hard as a rock over here. Keep going Matt, tell me where you want to touch me– I mean Lily.

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      • Haha………I knew we had a voyeur who was gettin’ hard.

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      • The moment you attempt to touch me sexually before a sexual relationship is established, makes you look like an uncultured hick, or some lowbrow from the hood. In the case at hand, this lowlife greets this sluttish girl with a tit grab, so, does it sound to you like a girl with any self-respect (however little) should stand for that? Even if I was attracted to you, and you greeted me with a tit grab, I wouldn’t like it. I like more refined moves, Matt. That means you’d have to work harder to lure me in, than a simple tit grab. In fact, verbal molestation works well.

        The self-assured uptight prig. The easiest to ambush.

        How dare you, uncultured hick! How dare you. How. Dare. You. How … dare … you … H o w . . . d a r e . . . whatwasIsaying?

        So hubbsie wubbsie is okay if we sext?

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      • “The self-assured uptight prig. The easiest to ambush.”
        The self-assured rascal. The easiest to midgame.
        .
        “So hubbsie wubbsie is okay if we sext?”
        So FemX is ok if you “romance” me on the side?

        I like romance better. Sext is a bit of a crude word in my case (being a prig and all), don’t ya think?

        On the other hand, sexting can also mean something divine and spiritual that might slowly build my trust in you 😉 So, have you been sexting long at the sixth hour?
        .
        YaReally, do you get hard when Matt and I e-flirt?

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      • “YaReally, do you get hard when Matt and I e-flirt?”

        As hard as I get watching the Special Olympics.

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      • In other words, you’re limp 😦
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        Don’t despair! That barslut is awaiting.

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      • The self-assured rascal. The easiest to midgame [sic].

        Do your best. It’s cute when grrls try to do man things. Like wearing daddy’s dress shirt and tie.

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      • It’s cute when grrls try to do man things. Like wearing daddy’s dress shirt and tie in high heels, with red nail polish and matching lipstick, no less.

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      • Do you or any of the “never worth it” crowd grasp the difference between physical confrontation and being prepared for physical confrontation?

        The manosphere is daddy to too many orphaned boys/children of divorce. All the charts and videos and wit and wisdom in the world cannot substitute for a man who loves his boy enough to develop the manly instinct in him. There are no just-so “never worth it” or “always do this” or “never fail” bromides in life. There is only a well-formed man, his conscience, and his judgment applied to unanticipatable circumstances in real time.

        I mean, PUA platitudes are better than no masculine influence, but the inadequacy of the former is nauseating when compared to the genuine article. No wonder it is so difficult to get this point through their underdeveloped skulls.

        Being prepared in all circumstances boosts confidence in all circumstances. It helps with foresight, it helps with avoiding intimidation from blowhard paper tigers, it helps negotiate a peaceful settlement. What’s with all the projection about how looking funny at a person in a bar means felony convictions and federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and your life is overrrrr!!!! hysterics?

        Daddy says calm yourself. Daddy says take a sedative.

        Matt

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 12:49 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        The way these responses nest is making it difficult for me to tell if you’re responding to my comment, Matt. If you weren’t directing the above at me, mea culpa.

        “Do you or any of the “never worth it” crowd grasp the difference between physical confrontation and being prepared for physical confrontation?”

        Of course. I didn’t say it was never worth it. I left a specific caveat that there are some circumstances under which physical confrontation is the best—sometimes the only—choice. What’s more, being fully prepared in your heart of hearts to engage in necessary violence will often spare you from having to do same. Many of these barroom heroes, bullies and other assorted scum will absolutely back down and scurry away when confronted with someone who is clearly not afraid of them.

        My point is merely that one must be very, very judicious about employing violence. As YaReally points out, once something becomes physical it can spiral out of your control very quickly, with real-world consequences that go way beyond a blacked eye, a fat lip, and a funny story.

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      • Two tells:

        very, very judicious … [and] … real-world consequences

        One man’s regular mode is the another (hot-headed) man’s “very very judicious.” Sizing up a situation and acting prudently is something a lot of men do well by instinct.

        What’s more, why were you regarding any of this as imaginary world? It’s all “real world consequences.” If you don’t live in a bubble — that manboy cartoon superhero phantasmagoria designed for our culture — nothing you do is a consequenceless game with do-overs or a nightmare from which you pray to wake up. We aren’t just spitballing about hypotheticals here on the internet. That is a strange turn of phrase you chose, and a perspective of which I have little comprehension.

        Matt

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 2:37 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “Real-world consequences”

        Are you a reader of P.J. O’Rourke, by chance? He coined a phrase that I like: The Whiffle-Ball Life. It encapsulates the concept of the “manboy cartoon superhero phantasmagoria” that much of modern upper-middle-class America lives in.

        Matt, of course I recognize that very little you or I do is a consequence-free game. It is from this very understanding that I am debating my point. I walk around all day, every day, with a loaded firearm on my person. When I’m at home, there’s a loaded firearm within 10 running steps of wherever I happen to be. That means that at just about all times when I’m not full Condition White, my behavior can potentially impact every living thing within range.

        That statement may sound a bit dramatic and extreme; it felt dramatic and extreme typing it. The reason why is that carrying those guns is just part of my daily routine, one which holds almost no emotional resonance for me after so many years of maintenance. *However, that does not make it any less true.*

        Because I have legal access to deadly force I am bound, both legally and morally, to avoid conflict whenever possible. If a conflict arises, it behooves me to attempt to retreat or back down. I haven’t so much as flipped the Bird in traffic since the day I got my CCW.

        “But RD,” you may say. “I’m not packing heat.” Sure you are! Just because you’re using your fists and not a firearm doesn’t mean you couldn’t kill someone by accident. You mean to punch them out, but they fall and hit their head…All it takes is one subdural hematoma, and you’re looking at negligent homicide charges. You should think of your fists the same way I think of my gun—potentially lethal force. Which means that, if you’re smart, you should deploy them under the same circumstances: When you are in serious, credible, imminent danger of grievous bodily injury or are defending a loved one from same.

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      • Well, I prefer not to condescend. I will just expect men to be responsible rather than presuming I have to spell out the basics each and every time.

        You are correct — in this fatherless world, boys need remedial training. But I believe half of that remediation comes through expectation (and its little brother, ridicule) rather than instruction, which, in a woman, is indistinguishable from nagging.

        As a woman, your judgmental forte with regard to manly things is not instruction but rather expectation. A lass gets more mileage out of Be a man, not a hothead or a rationalizing twit than she does with a pedantic, “YaReally is right [you] guys” and be “very, very” careful.

        To me, it seemed like you were missing the point, until you declared your own sense of integrity above. An unnecessary step to be avoided.

        Will you keep your holster on while we’re fucking?

        Matt

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 3:07 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        That depends on whether I go with the SOB or the Jackass. I suppose the choice will be determined by which nickname you prefer.

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      • Wrong answer. Either way I just disarmed you and am pointing your own weapon against the back of your head.

        Women. Too easy.

        Another one who forgets all the content of the message preceding the proposition. Hypergamy and guns don’t mix. Tell your girlfriends.

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      • on August 7, 2013 at 8:03 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Matt, there’s little point in engaging with you on substantive issues when the only arrow in your quiver is marked “Women R Stoopid.”

        (By the way, every time someone in the manosphere makes a comment of that nature, Amanda Marcotte gets a wettie…and Ben Bernanke puts an extra dollar on my bedside table.)

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      • Oh please. You are confusing me for someone else.

        Not all women are like that. I have not been shy in confessing my respect your sexy sexy brainpower.

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    • on August 6, 2013 at 12:40 pm StickingPoint

      Hey YaReally, been reading your posts for a while now and have been devouring your archives on here. I would really appreciate some advice. Any way that we can chat thru email or something? Never reached out like this but your philosophy resonates.

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      • I don’t give out an E-Mail addy ’cause I like to keep things out in public where other guys can learn from it. If there’s something specific you need advice on, anonymize the details of it and post it up and I’ll see if I can help. Most game related problems that seem super specific and personal are really pretty universal and even a vague run-down of what your sticking point is can be enough for me to help lead you in the right direction. 🙂

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  19. Some may have seen this before, as I have written it elsewhere but it is worth repeating:

    A couple of Fridays ago I was standing at half past midnight with my buddy, about to take my leave of him, when on the other side of the road a young woman was tottering along on her high heels, and clearly the worse for wear for drink. She sat down/collapsed on the kerb. As I was heading in that direction I crossed over and stopped to observe her. She, legs akimbo, looked up in a dazed manner, by which time her female friend had arrived and tried to lift the girl to her feet. Turning to me her friend asked me to give a hand. I replied that as she was ‘a strong empowered woman’ ™, she could ‘do it herself’. 🙂 I then received a mouthful of abuse.

    Some, think that I was unnecessarily cruel and unhelpful. ‘How would you feel if you collapsed having had a heart attack?’, one of my more gullible white-knight friends said to me constructing a straw man out of thin air. The position is this: this woman would surely half an hour earlier not even have given me the time of day. By reason of her job she could afford to get legless. If she was ill she could phone for the health service to send an ambulance. I am not trained in first aid, neither am I an employee of the Health Service, nor, more importantly, am I her servant, there to do her bidding. Had I assisted (and I have no idea what was required) I ran the risk of a false allegation of some sort. She was a drunk and surely a slut: I owed her nothing. I had nothing to gain: I had everything to lose.

    Some years ago (after slapping me round the face) my then girlfriend stormed off, and hitched a lift home. A passing male in his sports car stopped and gave her a lift. It was his lucky night as she (and this in hindsight) suggested sex. Twenty Four hours later he was arrested.

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  20. on August 5, 2013 at 5:01 pm hamster of the gods

    As one of the accused “white knights” of the post in question, let me clarify: I am not saying you should fight the dude over the bitch. The bitch is a place-holder, absolutely irrelevant qua bitch. My perspective is that fighting is fun, and this prick gave you an excuse. The excuse could have been taking your seat, drinking your beer, cutting in line, whatever. It’s not about the bitch, its about the disrespect. A clear sign of disrespect is an excuse to throw punches, plain and simple. Why anyone would pass that up (regardless of the specific instantiation of the disrespect) is beyond me. But I accept that it takes all kinds to move the world. Must be a Midwest thing. Moving on.

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    • This guy doesn’t speak for most of us on this, but I like your style over any of the too cool for school crowd.

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    • That’s the spirit.

      Even if it’s just a bluff, it’s better than the slide-rule approach, better than a man’s attitude being dictated by a flow chart of phantoms and fears.

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    • Have fun getting your ass kicked by opponents with more brawn, friends, or weapons.

      Complete guess: you do your fighting in a small town where everyone vaguely knows one another, so there’s an implicit level of trust even in the brotherly scraps that sometimes occur.

      What you’re talking about — this attitude of ‘fighting is fun’ — will earn you a cuban necktie in any large urban area.

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      • DRAMA.

        Turn off the cable TV already.

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      • The maggots of drama feast on bullshit. Take away my meals, dudebros.

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      • Or … you can stop playing the maggot.

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      • Then who will take away the bullshit and turn it into something useful, Matt? At least I’m environmentally friendly.

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      • Hercules’s Augean Pooper Scooper, the Righteous Shit Shovel of the Lord

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      • You forgot the trademark.

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      • “Complete guess: you do your fighting in a small town where everyone vaguely knows one another, so there’s an implicit level of trust even in the brotherly scraps that sometimes occur.”

        Also this. One of my social circles is a group of cowboys (bull-riding, rootin tootin, “got kicked in the head by a bull during branding on the farm this weekend and laughed it off”, stereotypes in full form) and I’ll head to country bars with them. THERE, you can scrap. Aside from the full-bar-brawls, when it’s a situ like this it can be a gentlemanly exchange like the movies of “lets you and me take this outside” and you go to the parking lot and it’s one on one, fists only, no weapons or friends jumping in etc. and when one guy has clearly lost everyone breaks it up. The bouncers even let it all happen and cheer and jump in if it goes haywire.

        Go ahead and be a badass there, it’s pretty safe.

        But try that at another club I go to with a different social circle, and you will be getting stabbed in the back by buddy’s friends and curb stomped by the group before anyone can jump in to help you. The cops/medics will get there eventually, but the swarm of guys who beat the shit out of you that you didn’t even realize knew the guy you “won” against, will be long gone and they’re basically there to cart you off to jail, the hospital, or the morgue. You will also be watching your back for the next few months when you’re out in the nightlife, and will have no idea when one of these guys who remembers you but you don’t remember him (you were unconscious by the time he joined in to stomp your head against the cement) will make a call an get his buddies there to surprise you when you go to take a piss.

        I’ve been out in the nightlife a lot. I’ve been out more just in my 20s than most people will be in their entire lives combined. I’ve seen guys get stabbed, curb-stomped, sucker-punched, mobbed, I was even in a crowd a dude was shooting a gun into, etc. I’ve seen situs where there’s no WAY the guy lived. All over some silly over-emotional bar drama like this tit grab.

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      • I kind of think that most people here would do the right thing in real life any way, though. When you’re actually out in the shit, you instantly realize what’s at stake if you act recklessly.

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      • I sure as shit hope so. I go out to socialize, drink, have fun with friends, flirt with cute girls, and try to make everyone around me have a more fun night.

        I usually tip off the bouncers for guys to keep an eye on when I notice guys who are overly aggressive or getting into that drunk angry zone because their girlfriend is flirting with guys or whatever. I just tap them on the shoulder and say “hey, watch out for that guy in the blue shirt there. He was in the bathroom talking to his buddies about wanting to kick someone’s ass tonight. I don’t know if he’ll do anything, but keep an eye on him.” They can radio it to the other bouncers and then if the guy starts getting out of control, they escort him out before it turns into a fight, or are quicker to break it up if it does turn into one.

        In my mind, if you’re going to be getting into fights then get the fuck out of my bar, you’re ruining everyone else’s night. lol

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    • @ scray: You are spineless faggot. I have more brawn and weapons than a spineless little pussy like you can handle. Why waste all those syllables when what you really mean is “whaaaaaaa!” Have fun getting my ass kicked? Sorry little faggot, I’ve already done more than your scared little faggot ass can imagine. But isn’t it fun pretending and imagining on the internet? While little bitches like you were whining on the internet, some of us were fighting real life wars. But please tell us all about what you imagine will happen. Little bitch,

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  21. on August 5, 2013 at 5:05 pm Mitch Cumstein

    If a guy grabs her tit, it’s most likely because she was giving off energy that made it seem like an okay thing to do. Be thankful that it was some roughneck with no subtlety, acting out his desire in a crass way. Rather than some smooth motherfucker with a double comma paycheck who steals your girl and all she leaves is a note that says “later”.

    Defending her honor implies honor was there in the first place. Go get a celebratory drink instead. You just found out the girl you were with wasn’t worth gambling half your assets.

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    • If a guy grabs her tit, it’s most likely because she was giving off energy that made it seem like an okay thing to do.

      Such as having previously “accidentally” brushed her titties into him. Sorry. They know how much we like tits, and they’d never do that by accident.

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  22. “Usefulness” and white knighting share the same venn diagram overlap between Santa Claus and “reality.” White knighting != protecting those you care about who want your protection. White knighting requires the essential element of not knowing what the fuck is going on. That defines the white knight. He charges in on his white horse festooned with AskMen.com and Cosmo articles, then valiantly sides with the female, because he assumes that women would never be wrong or want to be conquered in sometimes publicly antagonistic displays.

    Ultimately, it’s a form of irrational behavior, which is why we loathe it so.

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    • Yes, I pretty much agree with this. But check out the story I posted about in reply to “John South” if it gets posted. (I think it’s being held for moderation, since I used the n-word a few times.)

      I’m torn between thinking such actions that put one’s life at risk are both admirable (the guy in my story got his ass kicked good for his troubles) and foolhardy (the guy in my story got his ass kicked for his troubles).

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    • on August 6, 2013 at 5:45 pm Zombie Shane

      > “because he assumes… Ultimately, it’s a form of irrational behavior…”

      I don’t know that I would call it “irrational”.

      There’s something even deeper and more profound here than making a bad assumption: Namely, the [potentially catastrophic] failure to realize that you’ve even made an assumption in the first place.

      If you grew up in a good family, in a good neighborhood, and went to good schools, and you always ran in social circles of good kids, then you might not even be aware of the phenomenon of The Evil Witch.

      So you won’t even be aware that you’ve made the assumption that the girl is innocent and the guy is guilty, simply because it will never before have occurred to you that the woman could possibly have done anything sufficiently horrible to have deserved the man’s wrath.

      Nassim Nicolas Taleb touches on this sort of thing with his story of the Black Swan: If you [and all of you ancestors, going back to time immemorial] have only ever seen White Swans, then it’s just not going to dawn on you that you should be devoting any significant number of brain cells to the anticipation of the appearance of any other color in swans.

      This sort of thing is also very similar to Donald Rumsfeld’s pontificating about “Known Unknowns” versus “Unknown Unknowns”: Sometimes you’re about to get smacked upside the head by something you can reasonably expect to have had the potential to smack you upside the head, but other times you’re about to get smacked upside the head by something which you had no reason to believe could even possibly exist.

      BTW, as we descend into the Troubles and the Dark Times to come, we would do well to spend some time – not only questioning all of our assumptions about life – but also trying our best to try to ascertain where we’ve been making assumptions that we never even realized we had been making.

      Because overlooking the existence of [and the reliance upon] assumptions is a really good way to get yourself eaten for dinner once the Apocalypse arrives.

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      • Female behavior is female behavior — you’re treating good family/school/social circles as zones isolated from the “that bitch cray” germ. White Knight, please — girls will be girls.

        Anyone who observes human behavior and social dynamics long enough — with a rational mind — will lose those aforementioned assumptions, regardless of origin.

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      • on August 7, 2013 at 9:24 am Zombie Shane

        > “girls will be girls”

        But now you’re doing precisely the opposite of what Nassim Nicholas Taleb warned you about – assuming that only Black Swans exist, and never even allowing yourself to imagine that White Swans might possibly exist.

        The [potentially catastrophic] failure for you being that when you do finally meet that 1-in-a-Million angel of a girl – the girl you’ve been waiting for your entire life, the girl whom you will want to be the mother of your children – you’re gonna assume that she’s a Black Swan [without even realizing that you’ve made the assumption], and you’re gonna approach her in Sociopathic PUA Asshole mode, and go all ugly and vulgar and neggish [not to be confused with niggish, although, semantically speaking, there’s a great deal of commonality of meaning there], and she’s gonna look at you and think to herself, “What a God-damned Monster!”, and never again give you so much as the time of day.

        Which means that you just lost your lifetime’s one and only chance to fall in love, to make and raise and nurture and edumakate a family, to watch the kids grow and blossom and marry themselves and give you grandchildren, and to live happily ever after with the love of your life.

        All because you assumed [without even realizing that you had assumed] that only Black Swans exist, and that the existence of White Swans isn’t even “rationally” possible.

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      • on August 7, 2013 at 9:27 am gunslingergregi

        you can fall in love more than once really

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      • Nick Taleb FTW. I want to hang out with the Zombie. Fooled by Randomness is a modern classic. His new book looks like a mess, though.

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      • I’m struggling to get through it. Some good concepts I can adapt, but boring and not very profound. I read an interview recently where he seems to be very cautiously starting to build a case against usury in all forms.

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      • Tilting at the Pussy, Don Quixote’s guide to Women

        But seriously — the sociopathy/dark triad stuff — while a helpful guidepost — still misses the mark. Think about your favorite alpha character in the movies. Maybe Han Solo? Maybe Doc Holliday from Tombstone? They all have that “sociopathic” streak, save when it comes to their friends and loved ones.

        Everyone responds to that. The ‘White Swan’ will think ‘what a badass with a heart of gold who will look out for me and protect me.’ Honestly though, there are just women — neither black swans or white swans.

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  23. I had this discussion with my girl the other day. She told me of prior times when men would just grab her in bars or clubs, and she would implicitly look towards her partner for back up, and found none forthcoming.

    I tried to offer a semi apology and reasoning for her partners lack of standupedness. She has often spoke of him in very betaish terms and her having to carry the bulk of the masculine frame. So i naturally assumed her prior relationships were near identical to the kind i had when i was beta and married.

    My beta view back then was “Women are empowered and can stand up for themselves. I don’t need to act like a meathead neanderthal lunkhead acting like a mad baboon defending my turf. I can simply smile and let my woman tell the guy off because i am not an insecure lummox required to defend her like a rabid dog.” That is what feminism ingrained into us.

    She fully expected (as did my exwife but never let on until way too late) that they WERE expecting their men to stand up and show some teeth and backbone to defend their honor. the patriarchy is still alive and well and called upon!

    Granted, my current girl (and my exwife too her credit) are the type to never stray, or cock tease other men while with you, so you knew that their getting hit on had no bearing on what they were doing, ergo, worthy of defending chivalrously. My current girl goes out of her way to avoid eye contact with other men. Perhaps she gives off pheromones or something but she does attract stalkers and a ton of catcalls. She takes it and accepts it in stride, but wishes she knew how to not get that attention. So she’s very aware of it.

    As you state in your post, if you’re with some chick who’s flaunting and floozing around and bringing the attention onto herself, and then expects you to put your ass on the line to defend her ‘honor’.. then white knighting is a fools errand.

    But if you have a girl who’s proven her loyalty and worth to you time and again, and you know that defending her is gonna raise your alpha cred and get her a little wet even just by stepping in between him and her and calmly relaying to the guy that she’s with you, respect, nine times out of ten the guy will nod and walk away to the next one and you’ve just won fair maidens heart all over again. One out of ten times its a douche who thinks he’s good at taking other mens women, won’t nod his head and persists.

    At which point you could start swinging, or bring your girl over and ask her if she’d fuck him for a million bucks with cool collected confidence. I’d have every confidence she’d look him up and down and murder his ego with style. If you’re unlucky enough to be with a girl who’d say yeah, or entertain the idea of that indecent proposal.. you can move to the soft next approach.

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  24. If a man feels my girl’s tits, I’m feeling his cock.

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  25. Two off-topic questions.

    Questione 1: I’ve read a bit about taking cooking classes as a means of meeting and bedding chicks. Sounds like a decent approach. There’s an element of disqualification in there somewhere (I think). Plus, learning to cook isn’t a bad idea in and of itself. Any thoughts or comments? Anyone ever tried this one?

    Questione 2: French ticklers. Anyone here ever use one? Do they drive girls wild? Or are they a waste of money?

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    • This and the AMOG post makes me realize that roughly half of your readers CH literally never get any, are utterly clueless and looking for a guide, or quite literally never have had sex in their lives.

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  26. The “tit-grab” is a stand-in for any act of alpha encroachment, no matter the venue.

    I have another scenario I wonder if people could analyze.

    At a bar alone, sitting in a somewhat crowded smoking area on one of those mini, round “high tables,” with two strangers, a white girl and a Chilean guy. Some generalized conversation about sport erupts in the vicinity with about seven or eight people who were standing around taking part, including the white girl at the table. There’s some raggedy-looking white guy, quite out of place for the locale, with a truly evil glare (I could easily imagine this playing an “Aryan Nations” soldier in some flick) who gets into a dispute over some sport bs with the girl. Aryan Nations dude took it way too serious and dismissed the girl with, “Bah, she knows she’s a piece of shit!” which was just way over the top considering the banal nature of the conversation.

    When I heard that my eyes opened wide. As a rule, I never involve myself in other peoples business, but I couldn’t help feeling that that was just flat out wrong. I felt a tremendous urge to say something like, “Dude, you do not say something like that. You better apologize right now.” But I waited for the Chilean guy’s reaction. He had had his back to the Aryan Nations guy, so he swiveled half way around on his stool, one elbow still resting on the table. (Fairly alpha pose.) He just waited. Aryan Nations, I suppose aware that he screwed up, said nothing, and then turned his back to us. Since he didn’t actually leave, saying something still played on my mind, but I eventually defaulted back to my rule that it’s none of my business.

    What should have been done here?

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    • on August 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm gunslingergregi

      scary white dude got to be Aryan nations he he he
      but yea do nothing whats the big whoop she prob does know she is a piece of shit
      that’s the whit knight they talking about where the girl is assumed pure and good he he he

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      • I know, I know, but trust me he looked so much like this guy I saw in a movie once who had a swastika tattooed between his eyes (gotta love the crap Hollywood invents), I just had to say it.

        She doesn’t have to be pure and good. In this case I saw and heard everything as it went down. She was completely innocent. Surely it should be possible – or a better society – to be able to engage strangers in lighthearted sports banter without being verbally assaulted for holding the “wrong” opinion. I bet if it were your sister you’d like to think someone would stick up for her over crap like this.

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      • Had to bring NAH-ZEEs into it, didn’t ya?

        If Silver is actually your last name, well… understood.

        llozozzlzlzozozlzlzozozlzlzlzozozlzlzl

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      • Had to bring NAH-ZEEs into it, didn’t ya?

        No, I didn’t have to, I just wanted to. Notice I didn’t do it in a “…and therefore racism is wrong!!!” sort of a way. I wasn’t going to mention it at all, but at the time that is definitely what I thought to myself so it formed part of the story and I figured why censor it.

        I actually don’t care about “nazis,” really (even though a lot of them, let’s be honest, are pretty kooked out.) Probably my racial feelings are not much different to yours, although we belong to different racial groups. My thinking is that things can’t continue this way so fine, let there be a White ethnostate, and go ahead, make it Jew-free. I don’t see why that should imply a rabid race-war mentality, though, which is where I part ways with the thinking of the WN crowd.

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      • Just a bit of of a jest, guy… and for the record, Cyberian forum sensationalism aside, most of the WNs I know would be happy to forgo any “rabid race-war” if possible… we’d love to see things pan out on this side of the pond like they did when the Iron Curtain fell, and many peoples got their independent nations without overmuch bloodshed, if any at all.

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      • “My thinking is that things can’t continue this way so fine, let there be a White ethnostate”

        There are plenty of those in Europe; we don’t need America to be one. And, indeed, each European country should be reserved for its own race – Germany for the decedents of Germans, Scandinavia for the decedents of the Vikings, England for the Anglo-Saxons, etc. But, America is no one’s land; no one lived and developed a civilization here before. People immigrated here and agreed to abide by the Constitution, not by some white national regime a la NZ Germany. The Constitution rules here, and it lays out how this land is governed. White nationalism is not the philosophy on which this country stands, and it never was or meant to be. That’s why the US government put the KKK out of commission. That said, it doesn’t mean that the white race shouldn’t control this country. It should because it built it from nothing, not other races. It just means that the Constitution rules, not malevolent crazies like Hit-ler wanting to kill everyone who doesn’t look like them. That’s evil ipso facto. Whites should civilize, educate, and control (for their own good) other races, not kill them. The British Empire had it right. NZ Germany had it wrong.

        Unfortunately, both the white nationals and the lefty progressives hate the Constitution and look for ways to circumvent it. If we all abided by it, we would not have 90% of the trouble we have. On one hand we have the lefty progressives trying to turn this country into something never intended by the Founding Fathers, and on the other side you have the white nationals trying to change this country into something else, also never intended by the Founding Fathers. Both of these factions need to STFU already, or leave the country to places their ideology is welcomed. The white nationals should go back to Germany, and the progressive lefties should either go to Cuba, China, or some socialist hellhole in Europe. The point is, they all need to get the hell out, and make their own Utopia elsewhere and leaves us alone.

        God forbid white nationals turn this place into another NZ war ground. And, stop encouraging their wrong mentality either. You and I both know they will never succeed, ever, in turning this place into a war zone. And if they do, this country will be destroyed before white nationals get their filthy biddy dirty fingers on it. So Greg can continue to have images of white national sugar canes dancing in his head all he wants, but he and his ilk will not survive to see it. They’ll go up in smoke just like their old hero did.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 4:17 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> go ahead, make it Jew-free

        they did that in Pakistan….. didn’t help them.

        they did that in Iceland…. didn’t help them.

        they did that in Egypt…. it didn’t help them

        Meanwhile, the Chinese are sending hundreds of their brightest young people to Israel to learn Hebrew.

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      • Yes, I heard about the Chinese coming to Israel. I also heard Israel has the most scientists per capita in the world.

        This info is from 2006, so can you imagine what it is in 2013? http://www.askisrael.org/facts/qpt.asp?fid=5

        Sounds like the Aryans might be beaten by the Joojoos again. Gregi and Zombie, are your eyes popping out of their sockets, you envious trolls ??????

        Oh, I also heard they discovered lots and lots and lots of oil and gas there, and the Saudis are freaking out. Prince Alwaleed bin Talal warned last week that Saudi Arabia needs to diversify into other things besides oil. Oh, how the tides turn in favor of the Joojoos, always. White national are worth shit because their whole argument stems from their sheer Joojoo jealousy. . Instead, they should learn from Israel how to improve our country.

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      • WN supports the idea of homelands for people who wish to preserve their unique characteristics and strengthen their strengths without the undue influence of outsiders who seek to upend those goals.

        Hence, most of us are all in favor of YKW having their own homeland, you silly little twit.

        The fact that their kinsmen on this side of the pond do everything to interfere with OUR heritage, indeed, our very survival, is why there is enmity between our respective seeds.

        The only thing we’re jealous of is our heritage… and a future for white children.

        No run along and collect your 30 shekels from your masters, Harpy Bizarre.

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      • Hahahahahaaaaaaa…….do you even listen to yourself talking these irrelevancies?

        “WN supports the idea of homelands for people who wish to preserve their unique characteristics and strengthen their strengths without the undue influence of outsiders who seek to upend those goals.”

        Then, you need to go back to Germany, or to other Aryan countries, since the USA is not one, never was, and never intended to be Aryan. America is the Constitution and the Declaration. Anyone who tries to change her character irrespective of the values enumerated in these documents, is not going to succeed, you stupid twerp. This includes the lefty progressives scum, and the WN scum.

        Now, stop posting immaterial shit.

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      • Little girl, could you BE any bigger an ass?

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      • The 1960s cult leader and murderer Charles Manson had a swastika tattooed between his eyes. Hollywood recycles a lot.

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    • “Dude, you do not say something like that. You better apologize right now.”

      Classic white knight line. And what if he doesn’t apologize? Would you kick his ass to defend the maiden’s honor?

      He’s behaving in an inappropriate and absurd manner, but it doesn’t merit any passion on your part. The Chilean played it cool. Bonus points for accomplishing his goal without saying a single word.

      Your best move would have been a casual, humorous, and dismissive rebuke. For example, if Aryan Nation was criticizing Tom Brady, you could have turned to him with a bemused look (perhaps feigning mild shock) and said something like “Whoa, did Tom Brady fuck your wife or something?”

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      • Classic white knight line. And what if he doesn’t apologize? Would you kick his ass to defend the maiden’s honor?

        You’re partly right, but it would have had nothing to do with “the maiden’s honor.” I just hate seeing people picking on those who are defenseless. I can’t always do something about it – in some cases, let’s face it, I know I’d be useless – but it makes my blood boil that immoral scum like that can get away with it. I suppose I just hold to what is becoming increasingly clear are outmoded social standards. More’s the pity, I say.

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      • Well if it was a moral issue for you, and gender was totally irrelevant, then I can’t accuse you of having white knight tendencies. That line would still have come across as white knighting, however.

        Real white knighting is typically motivated by both a genuine, though superfluous, desire to protect women specifically, as well as the hope that said protection will be rewarded with affection.

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      • No, gender wasn’t totally irrelevant. It comes back to the kind of “traditional” (I dislike that word) relations between the sexes that I favor. I don’t want to live in a society in which women can be subjected to any manner of verbal abuse or provocation and men insist that it’s absolutely wrong to intervene on their behalf. That’s increasingly the world I live in, so while I do grin and bear it, I also try to do my bit change things back. And yes, definitely, it’d be a big help if females behaved in a manner conducive to inspiring to defend them.

        With respect to the last sentence above, the girl in my story seemed fairly decent/normal. Had she been some purple-haired hipster lesbian femcunt bitch, I would have all too happily smirked at her getting her head slammed into a wall and only gently chided the fellow responsible that he’d “gone a bit far” (and urge him to scram before he can be IDed). It’s a pity it’s come to this, but I hold the lunatic left singularly responsible.

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      • “conducive to inspiring men to defend them” I meant.

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      • on August 5, 2013 at 10:30 pm gunslingergregi

        chicks are not defenseless they are the most evil sadistic cunning creatures on the planet

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      • Touche. But come on, they’re physically defenseless.

        Furthermore, ignoring the one-sidedness of your opinion (obviously many possess positive qualities no matter how many negatives they possess in addition), isn’t it simpler to just accept that state of affairs rather than bitterly denouncing it? If they are what they are, okay, fine. You may wish it were otherwise but it’s not. The more you accept it for what it is the less power it has to embitter you.

        Secondly, even if every single thing you claim is true about women, how does it help to focus on it so much? So much of our experience of the world is determined by what we focus on that it seems crazy to focus so much on something that brings you so much pain, particularly when you know you can’t change it. Wouldn’t it be better to shift your focus on what you change?

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      • “on what you can change” I meant to write.

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      • But come on, they’re physically defenseless.

        gsg’s point was that women get men to be their defenses.

        but back to this specific example, the girl wasn’t being physically assaulted or even threatened.

        the chilean guy had a good response – a cold hard look at the guy that said ‘you don’t want this to go any further’.

        you could also have responded by sniffing her and then saying ‘nah, she smells ok from here’. the guy would have then realized that he said something stupid. plus some tingles from the girl.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 5:50 pm gunslingergregi

        they are not physically defenseless they cook your food well except for gay dude can poison you any time they give the dudes drugs can od em everyone has to sleep sometimes
        and yea manipulate dudes to do there bidding
        if I would of married this chick when she wanted me to pretty sure id be dead right now and she would be living in my house he he he
        yea hearin lot of stories woman like that life insurance never get it

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 5:57 pm gunslingergregi

        I get my bitches to do pretty much anything I want and yea they make life good in lot of ways but they still not defenseless

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      • but back to this specific example, the girl wasn’t being physically assaulted or even threatened.

        No, but if you followed the conversation his verbal abuse was so bizarre, vicious and unexpected that, combined with this general appearance, you’d have to be comatose not to detect “threat.” Just trust me, I was there.

        the chilean guy had a good response – a cold hard look at the guy that said ‘you don’t want this to go any further’.

        I forgot to mention, she and the Chilean were together (or seemed to be, unless he was gaming her, but it looked more than that), that’s why I deferred to his reaction.

        the guy would have then realized that he said something stupid. plus some tingles from the girl.

        She was a chubby five, I wasn’t at all attracted to her.

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      • Defenseless? Not at all. The good woman will hook up with the nazi, bear him a little nazi child, divorce him, take half his trailer, then hook up with even worse scum and presto, the nazi child ends up dead. That’ll teach him to respect women.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 4:23 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> it makes my blood boil that immoral scum like that can get away with it. I suppose I just hold to what is becoming increasingly clear are outmoded social standards

        If it really did; and if you did – you’d be posting from Sderot. While wearing a Golani Brigade emblem on the shoulder of your reservist-duty uniform.

        But you ain’t. Because you’re a piece of shit.

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    • I’d say nothing. So what, he called her a piece of shit. To me, intervention only becomes necessary if an actual physical altercation is about to take place. Like, the guy is going to hit the girl.

      Intervene on behalf of a woman on the same terms as you would intervene on behalf of a man. Men say things like “you know you’re a piece of shit” to one another all the time.

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      • Men say things like “you know you’re a piece of shit” to one another all the time.

        Not to strangers they don’t, and not for such piss poor reasons. And if they do it’s fighting words.

        I can understand being reticent to fight. Not everyone’s cut out for it. I wouldn’t exactly fly off the handle first thing if Mike Tyson called me a cocksucker maggot either. At times like that it’s much simpler to tell yourself meh, you might kick my ass, but at the end of the day you’re still a worthless nog, than to “stand up for yourself” and definitely get your skull cracked.

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      • It’s very easy to “stand up for yourself” and be completely, totally non-violent and cool about it.

        The fact that 99.9% of commentators here are failing to see this fact shows how little they go out.

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      • ^ NICE WORK SCRAY.

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      • It’s very easy to “stand up for yourself” and be completely, totally non-violent and cool about it.

        That’s true, but in most of the stories I read of people walking away they don’t even try that, which really tells me that deep down it’s naught but a case of that age old demon: fear of male humiliation.

        Note, though, I’m not saying that to make anyone feel bad. It’s a part of our human nature and we need to find ways to deal with it. For some it’s to give in, others fight it with everything they can, others still attempt to “outsmart” it, and it seems to me there is often a good case to made for each of these. It’s up to each of us, I guess, to find a position in that spectrum that suits us but also allow others to do the same. That doesn’t mean the back and forth on this issue will ever cease, but it might diminish some of the ill-feeling towards those who disagree with us.

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      • ‘That’s true, but in most of the stories I read of people walking away they don’t even try that, which really tells me that deep down it’s naught but a case of that age old demon: fear of male humiliation.’

        For sure, which is why we’re all emphasizing the stand up for yourself part. A lot of betas and ‘cowards’ would just walk away. I used to just walk away — either literally or by just pretending I was okay with whatever anyone said or did.

        ‘For some it’s to give in, others fight it with everything they can, others still attempt to “outsmart” it, and it seems to me there is often a good case to made for each of these.’

        Fighting begins before blows are thrown — always. It’s not alchemy, where suddenly a peaceful, rational exchange transmutes into a violent conflagration. All me, and a lot of the so-called ‘PUA’ guys, are saying is — fight it with everything else first.

        People operate in response to their hindbrains, but their forebrains are capable of reading subtle cues.

        For example:
        ‘Wow, are you guys together, or is this some sort of serial tit-grabber with a tragic backstory — deprived of his mother’s teet at a young age, the tit-grabber knew that he had to revenge the world for his titless existence….and soon, no bar was safe.’

        ‘Hahaha, jesus christ dude. There are plenty of titties out there for all of us. I hate to see what the gay version of you would do to me.’

        Remarks like these are jokes, ya, but the hindbran will pick up on the subtext: chill the fuck out, bro.

        If charm or humor fails, (the chick makes it clear the advances are unwanted) you can just state the boundary: hey man, relax, she’s my girl.

        Personally, if the chick was all giggly about it I’d still try to tool the guy and the girl (with a smile).

        The other side demonstrates a SERIOUS social skill deficit when they look at this situation and say ‘ya, logically for me the next step is to escalate this into a physical fight or near physical fight.’

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      • Btw, I go out all the time, very often alone. That explains my interest in the issue, because I fully intend to apply the lesson I draw from the debate.

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      • Oh, that was just a general point I was making Silver; nothing specific to you.
        These AMOG threads have birthed an e-dick Hydra that is entangling itself in the comment section — where one man flaccidizes and neutralizes an e-dick by offering reason and analysis, for example Ya’s thoughts above, two other e-dicks sprout up in place….ready to fight any and all bar patrons.

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      • Scray, yes, I’m beginning to get that impression. I like the angle you and ya’rly are coming from. I must admit, ya’s extra-long posts flash warning signals of armchair generalship to me but he seems to have an established rep and his advice certainly makes intuitive sense.

        One reason I’m skeptical about the ‘mock your way out of it’ technique is that among low class or quasi-criminal class people there’s about 5 seconds max before it leads to a dust up anyway, and I honestly find it difficult to believe one could establish beforehand the rule that puts physical altercations off limits and then immediately transition into a mindset of fighting when your dipshit lowlife opponent feels himself insulted and responds with fists. To me that’s a great way to be caught unprepared. Among a better class of people, however, this would all be vastly less likely.

        As was mentioned on the tit-grab thread, I think the optimum attitude is to actually rise above it all, ie to arrive at a point where you really do feel above it, where it’s not something you merely tell yourself as consolation. As an example, I spend a lot of time around WNs online (if you value truth you can hardly help it), and in those circles I’m usually treated as a “filthy Jew,” whereas in real life I’m a “slimy dago” or “that greaseball.” It’s all good though. These slurs not only don’t bother me, they feel like an affirmation of life, an affirmation of racial existence. Anyone’s welcome to use them, but I’m especially touched when it’s a white guy because it demonstrates they have a pulse. To say I’m “above it all” when it comes to this stuff doesn’t even begin to capture it.

        A similar attitude with respect to AMOGs would be that the kind of “slights” that many claim would their male pride simply slide right past you without making you feel bad or eliciting any reflection from you. One way you can judge is whether your “frame” has been shaken. If you’re still your “best you” then your frame’s not shaken.

        I haven’t arrived at this stage completely with AMOGs, but there’s no question to me I’ve come a long, long way compared to the sorts of things that once rattled me.

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      • ‘technique is that among low class or quasi-criminal class people there’s about 5 seconds max before it leads to a dust up anyway, and I honestly find it difficult to believe one could establish beforehand the rule that puts physical altercations off limits and then immediately transition into a mindset of fighting when your dipshit lowlife opponent feels himself insulted and responds with fists.’

        Well if you deliver your insults and teases with venom, expect the situation to escalate. If you deliver them with a calm, friendly tone — even an idiot will realize what’s going on. His friends will pick up on the dynamic as well.

        Throwing the first punch or escalating the situation as a rash reaction — that’s fear. It takes guts to try and calm everyone down, because you need to control your own emotions.

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    • A tit grab is one thing, if she’s your girl, or if she’s not but doesn’t enjoy it – and it doesn’t stop. (if she’s a stranger but doesn’t mind – than once again it’s none of your business)

      But what other people SAY to each other is none of your frickin’ business.

      Sexual touching – and whatever people are saying to each other is not the same thing.

      And who cares about your political opinion?? and what gives you the right to impose it on people not your own race? (your own kind you can impose whatever you want – no business of anyone else)

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    • If Chilean guy with the white girl, it’s his call what to do. Regardless I think just isolating the guy and pushing him out of the conversation circle with alpha body language (like Chilean did) is enough.

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      • This is going to sound like complete bullshit so I’m in two minds about posting it, but I swear on all that’s holy it’s the truth.

        Just tonight I was sitting in the very same seat where the incident occurred when this chubby, well-dressed girl walked over and dropped her handbag (more like a rucksack!) on the table with a loud thud. “What the hell are you carrying in there?” I asked. Then I looked more closely at her face. Nah, couldn’t be, I told myself. But I thought I’d ask her all the same. “This is going to sound stupid, but did you lose a handbag here at this very place?” (I didn’t mention this detail in the earlier story, but that’s how I gathered that she and the Chilean were together, because she was in hysterics about her handbag and the Chilean was trying to calm her down.)

        “Well, yes, I did actually,” she said. “How in the world did you know that?”

        I told her I was there that night, and that we were sitting in the exact same seats. I mentioned the incident with the rude stranger but she didn’t remember it and was surprised to hear that she reacted passively to the insult.

        Lol, that is one hell of a coincidence, not only to run into her again (which I couldn’t care less about) but to have brought up the incident involving her only days ago. Interesting as that was, it also sucks in a way. If life is going to throw coincidences like this at me I wish it wouldn’t waste them on stupid non-entities like this woman and her dumb handbag.

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  27. OT post numero dos: I fucking hate gooks:

    http://ilpvideo.com/video.php?v=NDYzNzY

    P.S. That was actually 5 questiones above, not 2.

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  28. on August 5, 2013 at 7:15 pm The Scolds' Bridle

    Tilting at slutmills

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  29. White knighting is defined by an excessive desire to protect women, manifested by reacting to a perceived offense to a woman beyond what is justified by your relationship (if any) to the woman. The classic white knight is the guy who voraciously defends random women on the Internet from any and all criticism or trolling.

    Defending a woman is beta provider game, and like all beta provider game there is a time and place for it. A key distinguishing factor between the beta male and the alpha male is that the latter is judicious in his use of beta provider game, whereas the former cannot conceive of any other way of relating to women.

    Aggressively defending the “honor” of a girl you’ve known for one whole week is quintessential beta behavior; doing the same for your loving wife is not. In fact, in some circumstances an alpha would be far more aggressive than a beta. If an alpha decides to commit (with the occasional fling on the side, of course), he is sure as hell not going to permit other men to harass his woman. The beta, being a man of weak constitution, will only defend what’s his when he feels he can get away with it (and then he will go beyond what is called for due to his insecurity).

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  30. the original scenario .. the offending tit owner was floating around with a might be single vibe..guilty of stupidity ..disloyality and/or a slut .. the offending tit grabber does not deserve a beat down yet..b/c unless she is with you..as in standing with you talking holding hands..ect and walking through a club…he has no idea who she is to you.. besides guys in crowded clubs slime chic’s all the time

    ..it is certainly an easy place to find a life changing fight if you are not big enough to menace..and in today’s day and age even big is not enough.. avoid the fight if you can ..like a man .. no other alternative..fight..and cocky talk or nasty looks..cmon ..be real

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  31. This kind of shows up the problems of defining an “alpha male”. The pickup artists roughly define it as “someone using the behavior (confidence etc.) that attracts women in a vag tingle way”. That is conflated with the big tough guy who can beat up everyone.

    They aren’t the same. You’re going to have to pick a definition (it’s the former above for you guys) and quick trying to make every “alpha” sound like superman.

    Sorry, but if I’m 6′ 10” and on the pro-wrestling circuit, and I’m with all of my friends in the Lindell AC in Detroit, the author is just not going to do anything at all if I want to grab his girlfriend’s tit – besides leaving with his head down before he gets his ass thoroughly kicked.

    Now let’s see you rhetorical geniuses tell me different.

    Quit trying to be comic-book reading, open-mouth breathing bugger eaters and keep the definition of “alpha” narrower. You ain’t all superman, although you are all on-line warriors I’m sure.

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    • There’s an interesting video somewhere on the ‘net where a guy with a knife manages to close a 15 foot distance and stab two or three policemen before they can draw their weapons (I think it was in Italy), and he gets one more before going down after being shot.

      There’s always someone badder, even without a gun… so think twice before you grab that next tit.

      You groping fairy.

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      • Greg, these people simply see the “other” as mean one track cavemen itching to fight. Most people do anything they can not to fight. Be an adult, present yourself as an adult and tell them not to do that. If they are cavemen leave with her. If she wants to stay, then you know what to do. Leave her. If you are in a bad bar where lots of huge guys will pummel you. Why the hell did you bring your girl there?????

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      • castricv, that is absolutely the correct advice. You leave with the girl, if she doesn’t want to leave, you leave her there. If she wants to see you “stick up for her” and get your ass handed to you, she isn’t worth pursuing.

        But the big question in the post above was not answered. Why DO PUAs conflate the two meanings of “alpha”? It’s very clear that many of the commenters here consider themselves super pickup guys AND real tough guys. Those are two (more or less) completely separate things.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 4:31 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        castricv >>> If you are in a bad bar where lots of huge guys will pummel you. Why the hell did you bring your girl there?????

        Well, the OP didn’t. The girl set the agenda.

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      • Not really. I believe the OP punked out in a trendy low risk bar. He’s just an extreme beta afraid of social awkwardness.

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    • ‘the author is just not going to do anything at all if I want to grab his girlfriend’s tit’

      Tell him that that’s unacceptable, but still try to make him an ally and be genial — avoid any conflict frame if you can. If he persists, inform staff. Better yet, have her inform staff. You can be fucking Shaq — superior numbers will always bring you down.

      Alphas win in whatever way they need to. That’s what people should focus on. Whether it’s brains, brawn, or something in between, there’s always a path to victory. Sometimes you can go solo, sometimes you need allies.

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    • Alpha is about guts, initiative, and sense of authority. Physical strength, and life experience influences this – for example if you have the natural talent but grew up in a restrictive, punishing environment you might have less guts.

      As for 6’10” pro wrestler – fear, experience in violence, and balance of power do influence one’s actions.

      If you tit-grabbed my girl and she enjoyed it – I might not act. But if she didn’t than I’d get angry – and I would. (irregardless of weather I got hurt or not) Now I probably wouldn’t stab you or shoot you, or call 10 of my buddies and turn you onto the paraplegic circuit (since no one wants to go to jail – for minor things -major things different story) but there are ways to hurt even big guys.

      What I would do is if verbal didn’t work, I’d just mace your ass. (if I wanted to be mean I’d give you a squirt in the eyes, knock you down, and empty the can into your pants)

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    • If those are your stats, even hypo-troll-thetically:

      Sounds like you’re mentally weak. And too stupid to fear what you don’t know.
      (watch that scene in The 13th Warrior again, btw; repeat until you understand. we’ll wait.
      .
      months.
      .
      .
      okay, years.)
      .
      .
      1) You would be hiding behind your venue

      2) You would be hiding behind your friends

      3) You would be fighting out of your weight-class

      4) 6’10”-Your cardio would probably suck and you’d be done throwing anything of note after the first 5 minutes.

      5) Just because it’s a fight, doesn’t mean the opponent has to play to your strengths, instead of theirs. See: Kimbo Slice and James Toney’s lackluster UFC careers.

      6) Doesn’t stop someone from filing charges

      7) Doesn’t stop them from suing you

      8) Doesn’t stop them from suing you long-term, using the world’s nastiest personal-injury ambulance-chasers, until something sticks

      8a) Who will of-course be working on contingency; -so they sue you for Triple+fees, or worse,

      9) If the person has money, doesn’t stop them from suing you for the rest of your life.

      10) They could pay their PR, Social Media people, or Political Friends, to make a huge public stink, including to all your employers, (past, present, prospective); now you’re out of a job, perhaps permanently.

      11) They could pay a Private Investigator to find & substantiate every. single. time. you’ve stepped out of line, even a little, in your Past, and use that information to get you incarcerated, or make you unemployed again, and for longer.

      12) They could Keep a Private Investigator on you, and tip off the police every single time you’re about to do something wrong in the future.

      13) With everything in well-maintained databases now, records really don’t go missing like they used to. If other guys can’t cross a border on elite-grade papers, you will not be shaking-off your rap sheet.

      14) An outside possibility, but better not pick the chick of the wrong guy, bro. Ie: a psycho, a 5′ 9″ SpecOps guy, John Fitch, that crazy MA/SD teacher in NYC, Dana White, a Corrections Officer, this one guy I really want to forget, worse,…

      15) Hell, even a little teeny-tiny Vietnamese guy killed someone only a few inches shorter than you in a bar fight just a few years ago in-town. Gotta watch those fast little hands,…

      16) If those were your hypothetical stats, enjoy an early death, likely from cancer; probably colorectal.
      (mortality increases sharply as height goes above average; more of you to mutate uncontrollably; Three Words: Andre The Giant.)
      .

      17) oh, and even Sun Tzu would agree: Live by the sword, die by the sword.

      18) Btw, there is a long history of allegedly “Physical Alphas” being absolute crap with women, and not really “Social Alphas”. @YaReally posted on this more than 1x, for sure. And I don’t think the community’s going to rewrite its terminology to suit 1 person.

      +19) PS: Try Buddhism instead of all that BS bravado, bro. The Dalai Lama is absolutely swimming in tits! And more Mutual-Value-Escalation for all; -good times!

      lzozozozozlzo zlzozozooz

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  32. on August 5, 2013 at 7:35 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

    Good news

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  33. Regarding bigger men: while the tactic of getting the crowd on your side is excellent because the crown may hopefully intercede before you are pummeled (if it does get violent), you’ll stand a better chance if you learn some martial arts.

    Here’s a video of a guy coping with a very heavy and strong power-lifter. Eye opening stuff.

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    • Yeah but the powerlifter dude probably isn’t JUST going to grab your arm.
      Having dome some Wing Chun myself, you realise that in both training and demostration that there is a high level of compliance on the “attackers” behalf.

      This does not exist in the real world and all you need to do is some sparring to see that at least 50% of the theory and drills you learn go out the window once you have real pressure put on you.

      Still, learning a martial art beats knowing nothing and always be prepared to turn on your heels and run if you have to as it sure beats getting a pummeling.

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      • For sure, I agree with your points. Theory only goes so far, and gentle/compliant sparring isn’t going to teach as much as full on contact with someone who is trying to do damage. Still, chances are, if you study any MA you’ll be better off than 95% of the people you will come across in your daily life.

        Regarding my comment, I just wanted to provide an illustration of strength itself not being everything.

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  34. This article will probably give Zombie Shane (and anyone else who is observant about the downfall of Western Civilization) an anyeurism.

    http://tinyurl.com/po5dcg9

    Exerpt:

    What’s the most tweaked stuff you saw this year or in past years?
    I felt like the last two years were worse, as far as body messaging went. My wife Deanna had a book published of her work documenting the body-messaging trend. Girls and boys let companies stencil their logos on their half-naked bodies, people write messages on their skin, girls let people hand print their butts and cleavage, people slap stickers on girls and they stay there all day… This year was not as bad in that department. Last year girls were writing—or letting people write—vile or racist messages. Swastikas, “I give head, no teeth,” “jailbait,” “free hugs, whites only,” jungle fever,” “I like big black dick in my ass.” I have seen young men and girls walking around with those messages festooned on their bikini bods. Fights happen every year. Those suck to see. This year was pretty tame; a few boob flashes, some twerking/grope fests with young bikini girls dancing in the middle of a crowd of touchy testosterone-filled boys. The worst new development this year was just rampant ass slapping, with or without a sign that allowed it. It’s like the 60s all over again. I saw only one girl get angry the entire time I was there. Other than that it was just a butt slap, ass grope fest.

    Keep in mind these high school girls are actively marking themselves as raging sluts and walking around in public where men are groping them in public daylight.

    The White Knight slowly steps off his majestic stallion and removes his clanky suit of armor. Like his brethren, the anti-littering Indian of 1970s TV commercial fame, he looks far off to the distance and, upon close inspection, one notices a singe tear running down his cheek.

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  35. […] When It’s Alright To White Knight […]

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  36. Some “shout outs” as our nigga friends say.

    1) CH– Thanks the follow up post, you are 100% on point with this.

    2) Matt King– You berate on the prior thread about this, any man that doesn’t protect his own neck from letting a woman claim defamation against this manhood, yet, you miss the larger point. Would you come to the defense of the Whore of Babylon for letting Lucifer grab her breast? (See what I just did there? Biblical shit yo….) Methinks, not. So why then, would you risk yourself for the same? It is -obvious- this man did not understand the true “nature of the beast” he was dealing with. It happens to the best of us… as younger man, I dated a Paris Hilton knock off. She looked, walked, and talked the part. 6 foot tall platinum blonde head turner. And she use to PURPOSEFULLY, put me in situations where I had to fuck other dudes up to defend my stake on that amazingly hot pussy that had already been tunneled into many times and deeply, by men far larger than myself. How is this position defensible on any level? It did NOTHING but cause me shit and problems both physical and legal.

    3) Zombie Shane– My theory is that either a) you dated what I talked about in point 2 or b) you are just a smart motherfucker that realizes when you are dealing with a whore who cares little about your future, career, or well-being. She will ALWAYS escape without a scratch. You will escape with many scratches, if you are lucky, or perhaps a misdemeanor if you are lucky. Or if you like to take situations to their final conclusion, like some people I know… a felony or commuted felony. For what?! Nothing. A pink hole that has been worn out since 13 years old.

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    • Would you come to the defense of the Whore of Babylon for letting Lucifer grab her breast?

      The ten-headed dragon she’s sitting on would at least snarl a bit. lulz

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      • I apologize… at one time, I said I would kill you for having a pet monkey. I’ve since reconsidered this poor judgement. You have one dark follower which is great… I’d love to come throw nickels at thwack while you grind the organ for him. In the interim, if I see bullshit, I will call bullshit. CH is living in Strange Days (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114558/?ref_=sr_1) Caught somewhere between a high hit rate Game, PUA, MRA, blog, and well… “that other thing”. The Great Unmentionable Truth. Pay no attention to the Caucasian Male Behind the Curtain. Yes, he is responsible for Every Single Thing Ever Invented (in the 20th century).

        Yes, he is the very reason you have a platform to bitch, whine, and feel sad about yourself and your soft cunt in protest. He is a self-genocidal lunatic, but… fuck HIM and the Patriarchy he came from!

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      • Your rage has unbalanced you.

        Guard it for future channeling into the endeavors for which we Caucasian Males will be needing it.

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 6:38 pm Zombie Shane

        JDC –

        That one went a little over my head – too many allusions that I can’t understand.

        Do I need to rent the James Cameron flick?

        Thanks.

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      • Not at all… I was just using it as a point of reference that these are indeed strange days we live in and CH is an odd crossroads of many ideologies. Matt King sort of fleshed it out succinctly on this thread with his 10 point list.

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    • “You will escape with many scratches, if you are lucky, or perhaps a misdemeanor if you are lucky. Or if you like to take situations to their final conclusion, like some people I know… a felony or commuted felony. For what?! Nothing. A pink hole that has been worn out since 13 years old.”

      100%. It’s just not worth it. My buddy going for his PhD/MD at a Top Ten instigated and almost got into a fight outside the club this past weekend. There was no reason for it and he could have walked away and maybe lost a little face. Just stupid shit overall. Good luck getting board-certified with a felony charge. And this wasn’t even over a girl.

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      • +And there are oceans of men with a lot less to lose than you, who are just spoiling for a fight.

        For a start, the entire population of both Stockton and Long Beach California.

        .
        There are people who will also try to goad you into one.

        One guy didn’t like something I said once.

        So in the middle of a public restaurant, he starts yelling at me and my lady friend over this eavesdropping.

        He walked over to the trash bins and then marched up on us at as if he were about to assault the group; at least 5 times during this tirade.

        I was -that- far away from calling 911, just so they’d be forced to do something about him, instead of the cops who might let him walk.

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    • “See what I did there…Biblical sh&t yo….”

      Great, you can string together two names you heard might be in the Bible in some random way and now its a stunning argument/analogy on why Matt is wrong. These people vote. Utter profundity from the IQ85 crowd.

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      • If you peruse prior posts, which you will not… you will realize a profound truth. I -generally- support Matthew King, but, I’m not a fucking drone. I am a man, with intact testicular mass. Which means what? Sometimes I like CH, sometimes I like MK, and mainly, I like myself. Like most White Males with Options, I have enough world experience to pick and choose what I do or do not endorse. Secondarily, castrivc, your name is shit to me… you appeared here in recent history I suppose? And what? you are some bible nut or some recent CH reading cunt? I don’t actually care either way. +110 IQ for the win… you are not relevant in any meaningful way. Doubly so if you are a bible thumper which I’m guessing you may be.

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      • You’re right I have not browsed your other posts and don’t know you. I am not a bible thumper by any means. I simply took the first third of your post as the usual dumb anti-God rhetoric that is thrown out there as some profound knowledge without considering the sarcasm.

        As for not posting here often, you are correct. While I am not a new reader, I seldom get involved on comments. However, I was unaware that one must have a membership to submit posts for discussion.

        That being said, I have taken the time to read some of your other posts and must in good conscience apologize for my assumptions and calling you stupid.

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    • Would you come to the defense of the Whore of Babylon for letting Lucifer grab her breast?

      Assuming that modern women can be nothing other than whores of Babylon is the very assumption that consigns them to that fate. How else do you suggest we break the cycle?

      It may be that you do not care about breaking the cycle. If that’s the case then say so. As for me, I will do all I can so that my sons do not have the frying-pan/fire options that the boomers left for their children.

      There is a difference between the whore and her whorishness. I am a man of the Gospel according to St. John, chapter 8, particularly the concluding admonition: “Go forth and sin no more.” No one is defending the whorishness per se, nor do I think we are such unaware naifs to be duped into accidentally defending her behavior per se — as the coolguy-cowards keep claiming. Insofar as she contributed to the incident, she should be cleansed of it: by her contrition, my forgiveness, and her penance, which is satisfied through pain — a cleansing pain.

      Have you never thought through the strange motivation of masochism? Why do people, especially women, conflate pain with pleasure? It’s because penance is necessary for life. A woman wants to be “use[d] after [her] own desert” (Hamlet II.2) because it satisfies a debt, which satisfies her conscience — her inescapable conscience, no matter how much she tries to ignore it.

      Trust me. All angles have been considered. Calling the woman in question — much less all women today — a whore who deserves it is an elaborate attempt to escape the issue, that bad bad issue we all tremble to confront in ourselves, cowardice.

      Matt

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      • God’s bodykins, man, much better: use every man
        after his desert, and who should ‘scape whipping?
        Use them after your own honour and dignity: the less
        they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty.

        How would Hamlet have reacted if Fortinbras grabbed Ophelia’s tit? Read some books. Discussed it with Horatio. Took a vacation. Staged a play. Hung out in the cemetery. Made some soliloquies. Lots of soliloquies. Then, in the final act, massacre.

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      • Well, ’tis no matter; honor pricks me on.

        Yea, but how if honor prick me off when I come on? how then?

        Can honor set to a leg? no: or an arm? no: or take away the grief of a wound? no

        Honor hath no skill in surgery, then? no.

        What is honor? a word. What is in that word honor? what is that honor? air.

        A trim reckoning! Who hath it? he that died o’ Wednesday. Doth he feel it? no. Doth he hear it? no. ‘Tis insensible, then. Yea, to the dead.

        But will it not live with the living? no. Why? detraction will not suffer it.

        Therefore I’ll none of it. Honor is a mere scutcheon: and so ends my catechism.

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  37. Well there are instances where people bud into other people’s business (trying to look bigger at other people’s expense). Other similar instances where men brag about their job, money, accomplishments (exaggerating them), and when they try to make themselves look bigger by patronising or fake “protecting” women. (there’s some places fake chivalry works – though it’s still despicable because it’s fake) I would not call this “White Knighting” or Knighting of any kind – because it’s basis is fakery, and fake/asshole self-promotion.

    Society does however need people to uphold social norms, right and wrong (well within certain bounds of course), protect women (where this is really needed), as well as MEN who will stand up for their own dignity and even that of their friends. Taking the lead in this is the organic role of the alpha. It’s the nature of women to want protection, women turn to alphas because of their innate need for someone who can protect them – it is perceived strength they are drawn to (and because they innately want strong kids). Alphas didn’t evolve to act aloof in bars, they evolved to spearhed the group’s actions when threatened. When 2 wolfpacks meet someone needs to stand at the head of the pack. (otherwise the betas and omegas will be broken, snarled off by the alpha or alphas on the other side, and chased away (maybe all the way to the Ukraine))

    If you’re unwilling to do that, if you’re unwilling to provide that, than don’t whine when your women hook up with a pack of pakis(tanis) who WILL protect their women, and rightfully beat anyone who tit-grabs them into a puddle. Because they’re MEN.

    I know feminism preaches against male protection, but if feminists are caught in a dark abandoned parking lot and 5 guys who look like they’re up to no good are closing in, even they are sure glad when a cop car pulls up. Western society has been flushed down a toilet (because _YOU_ let it be flushed down the toilet), but that’s no excuse to join it.

    Basically I see 3 types of people in this instance –

    1) fake do-gooders, and bud-ins (unscrupulous and fake self-promoters)
    2) Knights, alphas or not (of whatever color)
    3) and those natural or “self-made” alphas who are useless and even detrimental to society. If all you do is pick up women, spread bitter misoginy, and are completely useless to society – basically you’re a grave waste of vital resources, and a bad influence. (if you’re a natural of this kind than unfortunately you only got half the package – if you’re a beta/omega self-made alpha than I’m not surprised you don’t understand the instincts that go along with the role)

    The issue of the tit-grab thing was not at all “white-knighting” – the crux of it was protecting your own dignity. Though I suspect the guy who wrote that in was not the woman’s BF but rather beta orbiter, in search of “magic bullets” to ward off the competition – women who behave the way described are usually single, available, and horny (if I see a chick like that, giving lots of hugs, giggling, and flirting heavily – that to me is like blood in the water for a shark).

    (and what guy in his right mind would take his girl to a bar? that’s like buying/acquiring a nice juicy stake, tying it to your chest, and than going into a yard full of hugry dogs with it – that’s just plain retarded)

    BTW women ARE the property of men, and if western man does not see it that way, they will gladly become the property of other men – and who can blame em? After all what they want is MEN.

    Feminism is spread by cetrain people for certain nefarious purposes, but when white (western) women go along with it – it’s basically one huge “shit-test” for western society (and men) in general – they become feminists because they believe you are whimps, they believe they can get away with feminism, and they also start to despise you for it when they are proven to be right. If there’s no feminism some places, it’s because men are men, women are satisfyed with them, and the “troublemakers” are scared of them.

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  38. Were these guys white knighting?

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  39. on August 5, 2013 at 10:20 pm Carlos Danger

    I once helped a girl with her broken down car and got several weeks of good pussy out of it. That was a good case of white knighting IMHO.

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  40. on August 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm gunslingergregi

    you know i tried to white knight once dude came out with hammer but yea looking back i guess an interesting experience

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  41. I’m sure I’ll get flamed, but I’ve always found the cyber opinions on this topic (chivalry, white knighting) are *very* different than what I actually experience in real life. In the cyberworld, men insist feminism has ruined these behaviors and they will never stand up for a woman, fight for her, protect her, open a door for her, etc.

    But this is not so in real life. Sorry, but most of you are actually very polite and protective. Not just the sniveling betas, either.

    My theory (here comes the flaming) is that men naturally revert to chivalry in the presence of a feminine, appreciative woman. These behaviors are inherently alpha, but have been suppressed over the last three decades. Most of today’s women are nowhere near worthy of that level of vigilance and care…. but when you encounter that rare girl who is, in my experience you tend to revert to your natural state of masculine protection, and you enjoy it.

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    • Most of today’s women are nowhere near worthy of that level of vigilance and care.

      Too transactional. Virtue is its own reward. Acting to please a woman rather than acting because it is just defines white knighthood. The very act of scrutinizing her “worthiness” is seeking petty compensation for doing the minimal civic duty of a grown man. When women are adjudged worthy or unworthy as an element of a man’s duty, the predicate for an out-of-control princess entitlement syndrome is laid.

      Do women get dressed up and prettified just to have something to exchange, or does some part of her simply want to be beautiful, no matter who will trade his goods for it?

      The problem arises when women flatter themselves to think they are the cause of a man’s good works just because they were constituent to those acts’ performance, or the recipient of incidental justice. And beta males often encourage this misapprehension to grab a cheap piece of pussy for doing what he should have done anyway. When Bobby Jones was praised for owning up to an extra stroke, causing him to lose the U.S. Open, he reamarked, “You might as well praise me for not robbing a bank.”

      Hence the merchant class, sniveling Jèwish businessmen, the “bourgeoisie,” has always been looked down upon. Everything is calculation and transaction, a “pound of flesh,” an eye for an eye, scales balanced, no room for generosity or magnanimity.

      But the only true balance is mutual self-giving. Men give just because they have greatness of soul. Women give just because they have a generous heart. The moment you attempt to add up the ledger columns is the moment you destroy the trust necessary for an explosion of virtue.

      Matt

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      • on August 6, 2013 at 3:58 pm supersystem3

        Completely correct. Amy’s post made me think of the whole ‘nice guy™’ bullshit. You shouldn’t expect a reward from politeness and virtue, you should do it because you are compelled to do so because of pride and an inner sense of self-worth manifesting itself to the world at large.

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      • I agree we all have a fundamental way of interacting with people, a baseline of politeness, respect, manners etc. that will vary from person to person but should be constant within the person. If I’m in the presence of a rude jerk, I’m not going to give up my basic politeness and respect in dealing with people and lower myself to his/her level. I’m not going to stop giving to charity because some people aren’t grateful or deserving. I’m not going to refuse help to someone needy because there’s “nothing in it for me”.

        But beyond those basics, which come from our core values, most of us don’t go the extra miles for just anyone (outside of family). You do the extras for the people you care about and you also do it for the people you think deserve it. Everyone who knows me would describe me as an extra helpful person. But would I be extra helpful to someone who consistently treated me badly? Who was never there for me if/when I needed them? No I wouldn’t. Maybe that seems transactional, but I think there is a line between being virtuous and being a doormat. (For men and women.)

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      • Hence the merchant class, sniveling Jèwish businessmen, the “bourgeoisie,” has always been looked down upon. Everything is calculation and transaction, a “pound of flesh,” an eye for an eye, scales balanced, no room for generosity or magnanimity.

        I get teary-eyed every time I read of the magnanimity and generosity with which the Helots were enslaved.

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      • Each man will be held accountable for his snark, because…

        THIS… IS… SPARTA!!!

        You fairy.

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  42. I cant believe how many people let their ego get in the middle of this. Why would you want to defend someone who disrespects you in such a way. Is your manliness strengthen by calling the guy and the girlfriend out?
    Have you seen a woman in love? She would never let someone else than her boyfriend grab her tit.

    So the problem is that she is either allowing or encouraging that slutty behaviour. The reason behind: she wants you out. That’s why it is in yout best interests to next her coldly. You already got all the answers to your questioms about her when she let (and didnt react adversely) to the grabbing.

    So I am with CH in this. My manliness has nothing to do with my fooliness and closing my eyes to the underlying issues

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  43. Speaking of White Knights, it was only a matter of time before they caught this one hiding in the bushes :

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385138/Chris-Hansen-TV-host-dropped-NBC.html

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  44. If I may, I think part of the problem is that y’all are trying to articulate something that a man who was raised as such, just knows when the time comes.

    Some things are worth fighting for…dying for, and some things aren’t. Each man decides for himself what these things are.

    I will say though, that a useless woman isn’t worth breaking a nail. I think it was Santa666 who said here that a woman who won’t wife and mother is like a dog who won’t hunt. Women can be valuable in other ways too, but if she’s not valuable to you then this is a non issue.

    I will stand by all on either side of the details who say that you should really be ready if you’re going to jump. If you’ve never experience real street combat before, don’t rely on your ability to talk trash on this blog for your survival.

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    • All the eBadasses should watch this video. That got pretty fucking disturbing by the end.

      Of course in their mind, no matter how old they are or how big/tough/crazy the other guy is, or how much their girl is lipping off at the guy, etc., their fight will look more like this. Everyone squares off, nice and fair, one at a time, and it ends after a couple hits and wisecracks with the cops rushing in to save the day before anyone really gets hurt:

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      • i really loved fighting when i was in my late teens/early 20s. unfortunately, i was one of those assholes who would intentionally pick fights at the bar. i mostly did it to tool guys with girlfriends. in retrospect, it was the dumbest shit EVER, but i was arrogant, reasonably good at fighting, loved the reaction that i got from the crowd, and, as yareally suggested, most of the fights would get broken up before they really got out of hand. however, i eventually got a taste of my own medicine when one of my best friends and i got beat the fuck down by a group of four marines after a night of drinking. there is no way for me to spin it. i went down as hard as that guy in nicole’s video after i was punched in the temple by a younger, stronger man. i fell and smashed the back of my head in the concrete. i went unconscious. when i woke up about 10 seconds later (or, so i am told) i saw my friend down on the ground getting kicked in the face and head by the marines. they fucked him up baddddddd. i was lucky by comparison to merely concussed.

        anyway, the point of all that is that i realized that there is always someone badder and stronger and meaner than you. this applies to assholes starting fights in the bar like me and white knights trying to protect their and their girl’s “honor.” fighting is retarded and i regret that i did all the things that i did to other people. karma’s a bitch, i guess.

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      • That was you? Goddamn townies.

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      • just for clarity, in that specific instance, the beat-down was not deserved. the marines saw my asian friend walking down the street and started grabbing his ass while calling him a fag (no lie). i tried to step in between them and told them to leave us alone. i probably said “fuck off” as well. they commenced the beat-down.

        also, they were pretty far from their base. they were just there for a fight after they failed to pick up chicks.

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      • Draaaaamaaaa. Shirtless Russkies throwing rocks. Kicking women in the face. In what way is that possibly related to standing one’s ground in a (rare) bar confrontation?

        You people throw around words like “calibration” and “escalation,” but you can’t apply those concepts to how one might handle disrespect?

        Now bring in a fucking Tom Cruise movie. False binary + straw men = a wicked doubling down of fallacies. This is exactly what I meant about the adolescent superhero fantasy corrupting everyday manliness. We’re all retreating pussies or unbeatable demigods, nothing in between! To merely think otherwise makes us inferior lunkheads with a short fuse.

        Matt

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      • “In what way is that possibly related to standing one’s ground in a (rare) bar confrontation?”

        Pay attention the first time:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/when-its-alright-to-white-knight/#comment-465104

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  45. when a woman suggests i assist her with something on a routine basis (i’ll be polite and help once/twice) but when i see she’s trying to get over on me, my typical response is, “look we’re cool. but we ain’t fucking.”

    i refer to it as “boyfriend duty”.

    http://dannyfrom504.com/2013/08/02/boyfriend-duty/

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  46. Chivalry in it’s original context wasn’t born in an prosperous era like the one we live in. It’s a product of the dark ages, when people were more held hostage, rather than ruled, by heavily armed thugs. If you didn’t bow down to a knight as he passed by, he would have no problem hitting the butt of his lance on your stomach or worse, killing you. Needless to say, they could take your woman and have his way with her whether she wanted to or not.

    Chivalry was created to curb violent apha male behavior, much in the same way religion was created to curb sluttiness in women. Chivalry led to the Magna Carta, which led to laws, then Constitution, etc. Centuries later, this wonderful invention is abused and taken for granted by women. Their behavior is slowly but surely creating a barbarian class within our society that will likely destabilize western society sometime in the future. The omegas, betas and MGTOW’s will stop caring, disappear to another country or die off, and in will come a Mongol horde of starved Chinese men, who can’t find a mate because of the one chile policy, and let them bitches have it.

    We are coming to the end of a cycle. This era we are in mirrors the Principate era of Rome (which according to sources may have been brought down by women) when a line of charismatic, but autocratic rulers took power, promising prosperity, but taking power and pussy for themselves.

    P.S. Expect the writings of the manosphere to become condensed into some kind of quasi religious text some time after the fall. Expect Roosh to become the Jesus figure because of his appearance.

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  47. It sems some men are on the look out for whiteknights: http://www.returnofkings.com/13468/the-war-against-white-knights

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  48. If a guy wants my tits that bad – I’ll take em out and hand em to him.

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