Optimizing Your Womanizing: Weightlifting

In the first installment of “Optimizing Your Womanizing”, we discussed the value of targeting a field of play that has a favorable sex ratio.

In this post, we’ll talk about the value of physique to augmenting your game.

A man’s physique is less crucial to his romantic fortunes than a woman’s physique is to her’s. This discrepancy is a natural outcome of the biological differences between the sexes. A woman’s mate value is connected predominately to her window of prime fertility, and by proxy to those physical cues — a pretty face, a slim hourglass figure — that alert men to her capacity to gestate the next generation.

Men’s mate value, in contrast, is determined by a number of factors, physical fitness being but one of them, and not even the most important one (at least for 29 days out of the month). And we see this playing out in the real world; the sight of an unattractive, rich man with a trophy wife, or an out-of-shape, charismatic hipster with a cute girlfriend, is far commoner than the inverse.

Nevertheless, it is better, all else equal, to look physically masculine than not. This series, after all, is about optimizing your womanizing, which means maximizing your strengths and minimizing your weaknesses until you have crafted yourself into a complete package Casanova.

Bang for buck, pump for fuck, weightlifting is the king of physique transformation protocols. No other exercise comes close to the improvements that performing the equivalent of dragging a large animal carcass across the veldt will make to your body and your attitude. The Iron Pill even provides anti-aging benefits.

(Endurance exercise has its place, but studies show greater physiological rewards from resistance exercise.)

And, like game, nearly everyone will see improvements from weightlifting. There are few exceptions to this rule.

(Even in those few randomized studies that find nonresponders to resistance training, the number is typically small – on the order of fewer than 20% of total participants, the subjects tilted female, and the time period too short. So, worst case scenario, one out of five men and women won’t get much muscle growth from doing light weight knee raises for three weeks. Good news: 80% of you will see results within only three weeks! Better news, the worst case scenario from this one study is likely not indicative of real world results from resistance training for the great majority of people.)

(Those who want to disingenuously argue that resistance training response is heritable should remember that longevity is heritable as well, but has been dramatically increasing for the past century. Environmental input matters.)

No, not every man will see equal improvements in the gym, nor look like Franco Columbu, but there will be noticeable improvement. And sometimes a little improvement is all it takes to open a man’s world to a wider vista of vagina.

I won’t discuss exercise form here. It’s relevant, but you can find plenty of YouTube clips showing how to do various compound and isolation movements. Sticking to the basics of resistance training, here’s a list of answers to typical beginner questions:

– You will gain just as much size from hypertrophy (i.e., “bodybuilding”) training as you will from strength training. If size and leanness are your goals, you don’t have to do high weight, low repetition sets like powerlifters do. If strength is your goal, then you’ll want to incorporate more high weight, low rep strength building exercises.

(Hypertrophy training also results in strength gains; just not as much as the strength gains from pure strength training. The difference isn’t big.)

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– The optimal combination of sets and reps and weight is, wait for it, somewhere in between low sets/high reps/low weight and high sets/low reps/high weight. The former, geared to hypertrophy, and the latter, geared to strength gain, both result in approximately the SAME AMOUNT of muscle growth. A 3/10/10RM (3 sets of 10 repetitions each at a weight you can lift for ten consecutive repetitions) routine will give you the same muscle growth as a 10/3/3RM (10 sets of 3 reps each at the maximum weight you can lift for three consecutive repetitions) routine.

Since women can’t really tell the difference between a man’s size and strength, and don’t really care, most men who aren’t competitive lifters but are competitive splitters will prefer the hypertrophy protocol.

Men who care about both size and strength (they’re correlated, but not precise mirrors) will want to devise a lifting plan that includes both high rep/low weight and low rep/high weight. In the long run, muscle response is highest when your body has to adapt to different loading schemes. A mix of hypertrophy-based and strength-based training will create a synergistic muscle response.

Therefore, the ideal lifting routine would be something like 3/8-12/8-12RM: Three sets of eight to twelve reps at a weight that you can lift for eight to twelve consecutive reps. Every third workout, substitute this protocol with a strength-based, higher weight circuit.

Another option, and a popular one, is to simply mix the two systems into one workout session. So you would start your exercise with a lower (60-80% of maximum) weight at higher reps (8-12) for the first two sets, and then finish up at a high (90-100% of maximum) weight at lower reps (1-4) for the third set.

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– Another advantage of the hypertrophy routine is the time savings. More rest is needed between sets of very high weight, less rest for sets of low or medium weight. At 1/3 the time, you can achieve the same muscle growth as you could from a strength training system.

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– Injuries happen. To minimize the chance and severity of injuries, favor a hypertrophy routine over a strength-building one. Most injuries occur under the stress of very heavy loads.

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– Full body, compound exercises – squat and deadlift being the two most representative – are better than isolation exercises (e.g., bicep curls) but not for the reasons gym rats think. Studies find that “big” lifting exercises don’t alter the hormonal profile any differently than do smaller movement exercises. The primary advantage of compound movements is that you can hit a lot more muscle per rep, and you can do heavier weights which, when controlling the number of reps, will generally produce more muscle growth than lighter weights. The ideal is a mix of compound and isolation exercises.

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– The downward motion of a lift (known as the eccentric phase) is perhaps more critical to muscle growth than the contraction movement. It’s during the “deceleration” part of the lifting movement that muscle damage accrues, and from that damage the body heals itself by building the muscle up. Injury is also more likely during a point in the eccentric motion, so take care to lower your weights (or your body, if you’re doing squats) slowly and deliberately.

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– The average man will see observable results in as little as six weeks. Six months later, girls will take notice. A year later, he’ll be a new man. Three years later, he’ll intimidate other men. Now, you can train three years for a marathon and get nothing from it but a participation ribbon and noodle arms, or you can lift for three years and at least look like a physically active man.

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– All you need is 2-4 workout sessions per week, 30-60 minutes each. Hell, you’ll see positive results going just ONCE per week for FIFTEEN MINUTES. In fact, it’s better to err on the side of training too little than training too much.

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– Steroids work. Most men won’t need them. People who demonize testosterone replacement therapy have a secret fear of masculinity.

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Here’s a good list of the top strength and health supplements for men. If you only buy three supplements, make them whey protein, creatine, and magnesium citrate.

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We’ve reached the end of this post. Psst lean closer, I’m gonna tell you a secret…

The times of my life when I slew pussy like the Quim Reaper were times when I slacked off at the gym. At my physically weakest, my pussy pioneer skills never left me. I haven’t seen much of a connection between my muscle strength/size and my harem size. Yeah, sure I get more looks from girls, and more playful arm squeezes, when I’m fitter, but the true test of a man’s seductive prowess is the bang. A man still has to approach and charm a girl to her final surrender. And on that measure, my close rate was independent of my bicep circumference. The weight room did not hold my hand on the way to the bedroom.

So why did I write this post?

Because the evidence that the Law of Iron holds for every man is too great to wave away. The Law of Iron states:

Every man is a better man when he’s stronger rather than weaker.
A strengthened body strengthens the mind.
Looking and feeling stronger imbues a man with that aura of confidence so alluring to women.

Character, Fortitude, Confidence. That’s the Law of Iron.

I don’t know how much better my total to-date notch count would be had my gym time been more consistent and less interrupted by injury or laziness. Maybe much better, happy as that is to contemplate. I do know that, during those gym down times, my boldness and no-fucks-given attitude took me a lot farther with women than my lack of muscle definition pushed me away from women.

That’s the core lesson of the Law of Iron, right there. Boldness. Weightlifting will benefit introverted men the most, which is most of the men who seek game advice, because the confidence and masculine attitude that flows from muscle development will nudge men closer to women and to interacting with women. It isn’t the muscles that will make a man a great slayer of poon, it’s the boldness and cocksureness that follows from lifting and inevitably enshrouds his personality.

PS: Lyle McDonald’s Body Recomposition website is a valuable resource of exercise and diet information.





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  1. […] Optimizing Your Womanizing: Weightlifting […]

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    • I’m 43, started lifting this summer. After a diligent 2 months of 5 day/week training the results were unbelievably good. Lats, Delts, and especially forearms and biceps were significantly bigger. 3 sets of 8 reps, less for the fundamental lifts like squat, bench, & deadlift.

      It’s not too late, older guys. I lifted a bit in my 30s but had much less of a clue what I was doing and had poor results. I tested my T twice and I’m exactly average for my age so its not like nature is giving me a boost.

      Starting Strength is a must read. Even if you don’t do the program (I don’t; at 43 I can’t add weight every workout) learning how to squat correctly is worth the read.

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      • Pussy-wise, my friend’s neighbour Helen, who for two years did not acknowledge me when I was a stoned out of my gourd flabby fuck, became borderline obsessed with me when I became somewhat jacked and ran entry-level game on her (fold arms after 20 seconds really does work). It’s not so much that you look better, the value add is you feel better thus attractifying women who literally did not even notice you.

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      • Great Post. I started lifting two months ago and you’re right: Results are pretty easy to see right away. I’ve slimmed down in the gut, grown a chest from somewhere, and put on 10 pounds in weight.

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      • Starting Strength is the real deal. Combine with watching Rippitoe’s Youtube vids and you’ve got a killer. I’ve now got “back”, when so many guys my age (55+), are just flaps of skin back there. The properly-done squat is the best exercise for 40% of your muscles.

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    • Ironically I experienced the same exact affect: in my weakest (leanest) shape I had the most sex/most IOIs.

      Regardless, being in shape is paramount to a man’s health and is necessary as I get older to stave off injuries and not die of a heart attack at 40.

      Great post.

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      • Cardio is probably a lot better for your brain & your mental health than for your actual cardiac artery – ‘heart disease” [confined to the just the heart itself] is damned near 100% genetic.

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    • http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html

      check it muslce potential calculator. take 10% off unless you genetic freak

      http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/3/15/2051585/boxing-science-how-manny-pacquiaos-body-has-tricked-analysts-and

      and an equation to figure your boxing weight class after weight cut

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  2. Awesome post. I do mighty fine with women as it is and I’m in good physical shape, though at 41, I want to keep it that way and I literally started light weight training last weekend.

    Will reread.

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    • TRT for you. TRT for everyone. Bust your ass in the gym as an ectomorph, buy all the bullshit creatine and protein shakes you want, selling hope like Vogue sells it to women, and you will get nowhere.

      The reality is that most in this article is bullshit. Sorry, but that’s fact. I am an ectomorph. I went from 142 to 202 naturally by doing the following three and ONLY three things: eat, sleep, lift.

      I ate north of 2 lbs of meat PER DAY. My caloric intake was above 5000. I lifted insanely heavy weights 4x/week. None of this shaping shit, no 3×10. I am talking leg press with 1250 on the rack. Yeah, 8-12 reps is about right. Intensity that frightened people Still I never looked like the greek god physique. That is reserved for people with good genetics.

      On the other hand, I got really massive, and nobody fucked with me because my traps looked like a church steeple. That was worth it for pickup confidence. I gained 25 lbs, mix of fat and muscle, per year for years 1 and 2, then 10 or so in the last year.

      Without consuming 2.5 lbs of meat a day…jeez, man, there was more than one time I puked and I would go right back and eat to fullness again. Dinner turned into a 2 hour affair to see how much food I could cram in. People simply have no clue what it takes to fundamentally oppose bad genetics. This is why selling hope-based BS like “hit the gym and you’ll be a changed man.” No, you won’t. If you change your LIFE and make size your mission, then maybe you will change. Going in for 15 minutes a couple times a week isn’t going to do shit for you. Save your time and money and spend the gym dues on coke if pickup is your goal.

      Guess what happened when my caloric intake dropped…had my wisdoms pulled, couldn’t eat for a week or so, consumed 1000 calorie XXL drinks to stay alive. I lost 10 lbs in a snap. Start doing BJJ instead of lifting? I ended up back down at 160 in less time than it took me to get to 200.

      If you want to get jacked, buy dianabol. Pin 200mg of cyp a week. And lift.

      And if you value your spine, stay the fuck away from squats and deads.

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      • None of this is necessary to hit the ethos of the OP… it just scares guys off.

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      • The reality is that most in this article is bullshit.

        Ya, you da man, durr.

        Always funny to see those who want to give the “easy solution” by declaring any research as bullshit. ‘Cause you learned from the street, yo! Or something like that. Never mind that CH provides research supporting everything he says here. For those who have nigger for brains research is the enemy. Stuff to read? Evil!

        But if you want that attitude to work you shouldn’t provide a long post of your own. And what’s your Great Wisdom anyway? What do you have to declare all the information provided by CH as “bullshit”. Um, let’s see.

        “I ate north of 2 lbs of meat PER DAY.”

        Oh, you ate a lot of food. Did CH say a weightlifter shouldn’t increase his calories? No. So you’re full of shit. But “ate north of” sounds kind of cool, right? I guess that’s what you were going for.

        By the way, 2 lbs of meat is about 1600-1900 calories. And yet in the next sentence you say you ate more than 5000 calories per day. Putting that bragging about eating 2 lbs of meat right before that makes it laughable.

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      • on October 22, 2014 at 4:21 pm Randy the Random

        Trav, I know guys who’ve done this. You can’t beat your genetics man, and the more you try the more you damage your body.

        Just work out to get your body’s natural optimum muscle/fat ratio (10-12% body fat), and you’re golden.

        Heartiste said it himself, girls don’t give a shit. Unless you pick up exclusively at the beach, no chick is ever going to care that you can’t bench 350.

        Lift because it feels good before, during and after. A man who pushes himself to his limits for the sake of it is a man of value, and it seeps into other areas of life. You don’t have to be a pro body builder.

        One of my best buddies is an ectomorph, he did exactly what you did, ruined his digestive track for a while, had to work his ass off to gain a few lbs of muscle. Turned out he did it to distract himself from a shitty ass job he hated. Now he’s quit, gone back to school, is doing well with bitches and lifts because he enjoys it. He hangs around the big guys because he has the determination, attitude and respect of a true lifter.

        In closing: lift for pleasure, not for results. Put that excess energy into making money and slaying poon.

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      • true. but i think you are skinny meso due to your weight unless you are very tall. a true ecto is small boned. if your wrists are less then 6.5 inches you are small frame. large is anyone above 7.5 inches while 6.5-7.5 is meduim.
        as an ect stronglifts 5×5 is really effective. heavy compund weights 3x a week and gotta a shit ton.
        you should calculate your muscular potential then take 10% off cause we aint gifted unless you have short tendons and long muscle bellys.hardgainers tend to other way around and will lighter then average and moreso compared to gifted.
        you can download casey butts weighttrainer book on these calculations. its prety good.

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      • If you don’t know what you are doing – definitely stay away from squats and deadlifts until you find someone or a resource that can teach them to you properly.

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      • I prefer my bitch to do the squatting…on my face!!

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      • I’m calling bullshit on “And if you value your spine, stay the fuck away from squats and deads.”

        Face it: you never bothered to learn the rather simple, correct way to do either of those lifts or you tried way too much weight, way too early, as macho assclowns like you often do.

        I’m no Arnold S., but starting with reasonable weights, I’ve easily mastered both deads and squats to my everlasting, non-back-threatening benefit.They are two of the best exercise one can do for one’s core and overall strength, provide you give up” teh stoopid”!

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      • ah…novice lifters and their opinions on squats and deads. I used to smith squat 500×6…and you? I mean, I’m all ears, guys. I could free squat 405 for reps without a spotter…you? I had 28″ legs…yours?

        The devil is in the details…most people will NOT learn how to squat and dead properly, they will follow lame internet advice from people who cannot safely lift SHIT (by this I mean all of you) and they will inevitably get hurt. I know powerlifters, bodybuilders, every one has the same story. Even lifting properly sooner or later a big lift with a lot of weight is going to cause an injury.

        Sentient says this scares guys off…well, welcome to WHAT IT TAKES to get fkin big, home slice! Did you think this shit was easy? Sure, you read enough M&F and Men’s Health, you think that this jacked physique you see on all the mag covers is just 15 minutes 3x/week away. Get real. It ain’t. To all the dork spergs on here who can’t get laid to save their lives, I can just already picture them. Skinny ectos or fat pudgy endos. How do I know? Bc if they were mesomorphs they wouldn’t need pickup advice!

        I’m an ectomorph from the word go, a freakin engineer…I am speaking from experience on a lot of issues. But oh no, it’s not gonna be easy, so let’s ignore this dude and focus on someone who says we can buy creatine and get ripped. LOL. Lemme know how that works for ya.

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      • Dumbell squats at much lower weights work good to slowly strengthen your legs and core and you don’t need perfect form or a rack. Body weight exercises will slowly increase strength without injury risk as well. Being patient and consistent is the most important thing and don’t be comparing yourself with the guys doing 400+ benches and hammer curling 70 lbs. At least not at first! Avoiding injury and really listening to your body should also be first and foremost.

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      • Bang on there Bango. Box squats are also a good introduction to real squats as it helps you to understand what you should be doing and concentrating on for the “real thing”.

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      • Trav. It’s not that your advice on how to get big (hooooooooge bro) is wrong, it’s the frail psychology you are so obviously projecting around this topic that should clue most guys in to avoid every rage filled statement you make.

        You sound like a boy that got sand kicked in his face, or disciplined by the headmaster.

        TLDR – fit is good, full retard we’ll that’s just full retard.

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      • You lost me at “Smith squats”. LOL. Niiiice.

        I just love it when ONE PERSON out of, how many? says, “I didnt have a good experience, so the ENTIRE THEORY IS INVALID FOR EVERYONE ON EARTH.

        Funny shyte, dude.

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      • ok, poke…another internet hero. So…your squat weight was…?

        I used to lift around IFBB pros. They did smith squats as well. These are useful for particular isolation and to avoid wear and tear on the spine with heavy weights.

        Sentient- there is no frail psychology. I would stake real money that I’ve banged more chicks than 95% of the people who post on this forum. You are just unaccustomed to not having shit sugar coated for your pussy ass because you grew up in a time when you get trophies for showing up. I’m giving you realtalk, bruh. I make no apologies for the fact that my avatar is a middle finger or for the way I bluntly said that the article was mostly bullshit, as are 95% of articles about anything pertaining to fitness.

        You wanna get in shape? Do high intensity intervals. Don’t jog, don’t do pilates. These things are a joke. I am competing at the MS worlds in BJJ in 1.5 weeks in LA. You really wanna question what I know about fitness? I’ve been an athlete most of my life, wrestled for 7 years, BJJ for over a decade. Karate, windsurfing, ski team, you name it. I’m out doing the things on your bucket list.

        I get tired of hearing people pimp shortcuts that don’t work. Aka, learn some magic words to get pussy. How about become an impressive man instead of aping real ones? How about get into real shape instead of half-assing everything?

        If “Heartiste” said girls don’t give a shit, then he’s full of it too. They DO. There are TONS of girls who go for jacked guys. Yes, there are plenty of women out there who will still go with a skinny dude, but in general, women prefer muscle, aka MASCULINE indicators. Nobody says you should try to look like Jay Cutler, but such a thing is laughably impossible for you anyhow and if I had a nickel for every douche I heard say he wants to lift but “doesn’t wanna get huge”…lol. Don’t worry about that dude, it ain’t gonna happen.

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      • Hi Trav,
        I liked the article. I followed most of its advice over the last year. I started lifting a year ago and got stronger and look better, except for the 21% bodyfat I picked up on accident. I am an ectomorph in 30s. I started out with just protein, started to plateau about 2 months ago, and then just added some creatine and glucosamine. That had instant results on my bench. I lift to impress my wife, to be stronger for 3GUN, and to look more respectable at work. I have noticed a difference and am happy with a routine very similar to what Heartiste has laid out. I don’t see why you’re so upset. Are you mad that you put in so much time and effort and found out a shortcut? Are you mad about the small percentage of people that don’t respond to lifting at all?

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      • Haha Trav. I say you sound like the guy who got sand kicked in his face and you come back with you weighed 132 lbs in high school. I can smell an inferiority complex 3000 miles a way…

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  3. If you’re new to lifting, Stronglifts is a good start.

    Which reminds me, I need to start lifting again.

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    • You think? I haven’t lifted at all in at least 15 years so started with reps of 10 at 10 pounds to get the motions and it’s easy. Basic curls.

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    • +1 for stronglifts 5×5
      Get the app, read the material, it will simplify your workout and give you motivation when you have been goin a couple weeks and can see your progress on a graph.
      Compound strength exercises boost testosterone more than hypertrophy. A lot more.

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  4. I wrote a haiku about lifting:
    Iron, rust, and pain,
    Sweaty balls in the garage,
    Motherfucking Huge.

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    • on October 22, 2014 at 3:39 pm mendozatorres

      SOLID!

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    • Gym full of men/sweat fills the air/left cuz guy /try kiss me

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      • I have a haiku too.

        ‘Tude pulls girls. If you
        you adore going to the gym
        You’re prolly gay, dude.

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      • Getting toned helps and the attitude adjustment that comes with feeling strong helps too, there’s some value to it, but getting really jacked mainly helps with pulling skanks.

        Higher quality women generally like a fit guy but the rest of the package is what they are interested in, attitude, career prospects (Alpha or Greater Beta bux), the right social signalling. With upper tier women, being jacked is usually a sign of a low rent guy who has a lot of time to be a gymrat. They’ll fuck the buffed out pool boy or a random pickup but they wouldn’t put him on the speed dial in a million years. There’s an exception for upper middle class serious jock chicks, see, e.g. Boulder, a triathlete chick loves her a long distance running type guy, elite genetics win out. But the upper class is generally trim, not buff, fit, not trained.

        On the other hand, you want to do some dread game on your post-wall wife, cut out the carbs, hit the gym and lift every day for 6 months. She’ll cling to your arm at social gatherings, just to ensure that at least of of your arms doesn’t have other women grabbing it.

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      • agree with gutting out carbs joey

        regardless of current relationship status too

        meat and veggies all day. 2.5-3lbs of meat split into approx 6 meals in tupperware with post workout shake protein power and i’m at 215 now guess at bf might be around 12% down 20 lbs in just a few months. was holding lots of water and needless weight draggin me down i was feelin like a fat sack of shit. cooking days are sunday and wednesday, cook mass chicken breasts in oven and make 18-20 meals at once and stack em up in fridge for when you’re late for work or busy at hell doin other cool shit, your food is always ready for ya. you know the saying, fail to plan, plan to fail

        aaaaand natural genetic bodyweight for me is 180 lol but talk to the right people and they can help you out if ya nahamsayin

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  5. Very informative post, CH.

    I second the mention of StrongLifts for those starting out. Linear progression of compound movements.

    Another benefit of lifting weights and getting stronger, particularly the compound movements: You can pick girls up and fuck them while standing. Being flat on her back one second to in mid-air the next while still getting her pussy pummeled sends her to orgasm in seconds.

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  6. If you want to learn more about supplements, http://www.Examine.com is the way to go

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    • horseshit….steroid.com is the only place to go. OTC supplements don’t work. A total waste of money. I am not joking when I say save your supplement money for coke. An 8-ball will pick up more hot chicks than ANY AMOUNT of these BS supplements.

      This examine.com is such a joke- you want aromatase inhibitors and they are talking about fkin Grape Seed extract? How about aromasin or arimidex?!?! You can buy this crap online if you want it; clomid, HCG, nolva, letro…hell you can even get testosterone or deca online if you know where to go. It boggles my mind that anyone wastes their hard earned dough on pipe dreams.

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      • Wow Trav, you’re on fire today. Did the medications stop working? It seems you have a hard time posting anything without barking. And any information you don’t like is always “bullshit” and “horseshit” or whatever, without anything to back up your claims. Research shows something you don’t like? Bullshit! Woof, woof!

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      • I have a couple of times read some bodybuilding forums–I don’t know why! Those guys are ALL like that,to the 3rd power. Its all “FUCK YOU BULLSHIT FAGGOT” God help you if you have a pic w/o big muskles. If you don’t have a pic—FAGGOT!!!

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      • on October 22, 2014 at 8:28 pm Shortest Straw

        I’ve been taking anastrozole (generic, thanks very much) and wanted to try letrozole because it’s so much cheaper. I can’t find any good info on dosing. Do you have any info on that? TIA

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      • arbiter- listening to motherfukkin idiots talk about “supplements”…these are pipe dreams. They don’t work. They sell hope. You want real chemical enhancement get on the dark side and pin stuff. Even one “cycle” of var will blow your damned mind on what’s possible, you won’t even need a PCT, your strength will (for you) go “through the roof,” you will lose fat, gain hardness, tone, everything. 20mg ED for like 6 weeks. And you will spend less than all this BCAA and whatever crap that GNC sells like Avon sells hope to aging women. So do you want the TRUTH, dude, or would you rather I tell you what you want to hear? CH is about reality man, not pleasant delusions.

        If you try dbol, you will within a week feel like a fucking GOD. You will gain 6-10 lbs, you will look and feel “jacked.” I cannot even really explain this to you people because you just have no frame of reference by which to grasp it.

        Shortest- I don’t use letro. That stuff is a non-suicidal aromatase inhibitor but its potency is always regarded as very high. Why do you want to drop your E levels to 0? Personally, I prefer aromasin as an AI. There are several dosing regimens for AIs on various roid forums. Letro will be like adex except it should be more “powerful.”

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      • I am all for transhumanism. Light steroid cycles will give any guy with at least some decent genetics and a solid food, training and sleeping regimen a hollywood stud physique, without killing yourself in the gym and hurting your body.

        Then again as an ecto-meso I started at 180lbs, 6’2″ with a nice six-pack. I looked better than most gym rats. After 6 months of training + A var cycle I was 200lbs (still am) with a full 8.

        I eat 3 nutritious meals per day, have a post workout snack, lift weights 2-3 times/week (compounds, full body), go running (20-30min) 1-2/week. IMO Diet is 90% of the recipe.

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      • gotta agree with trav here

        i haven’t bought any supplements except protein power and caffeine in over 5 years.

        test is actually cheaper than superpump250 lol the only supplement i liked was that 1.M.R. shit though, that shit was fucking craaaazy, double dose i could barely remember my own name lol

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  7. What is this?

    Return of Kings?

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    • This is people with actual information talking. So it’s not for you, troll.

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      • thwack’s not a troll, jes’ a regoolar porch monkey trying to make sense of his race’s total failure in America, Land of Opportunity—-if you got an IQ of 75 or above.

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    • on October 22, 2014 at 6:12 pm Hammer of Love

      Aren’t you supposed to be in your cell right now ? How’s your boyfriend going to get off without you ?

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      • I can’t go to my cell until you let me out of your head.

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      • Keep the insults straight, thwack… replying to another guy’s snark isn’t having said snarker in yo’ haid.

        It’s only rent-free living when you bring the other guy’s name up out of the blue… you know, like when you often mention your fantasy KO’ing of Greg Eliot.

        llzozlzozlzozlzozlozlzlzolzoloz

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    • thwack did you hear this story bout Obammy bein accused of sexual harassment–by some dudes??At Hahvahd.

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    • Thwack,
      You feeling the love yet?

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  8. Also, if you want to get yoked then eat. A lot. You know the drill – protein, carbs, healthy fat. Put down the fast food and booze. Find a TDEE calculator to determine just how much you need to eat based on your age and size.

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    • I’ll tell you…fuck the calculator. Eat 2-2.5 lbs of meat per day. Lean meat. Eat 6000 calories. Lift like a demon. Sleep. If you get the least bit hungry…lol…my ex would get scared of me by how borderline violent I would get if I went “nitrogen negative” aka I was hungry. And by hungry I mean not full to the point of vomiting, which happened more than once.

      Oh, also be young because no old man joints gonna handle this crap. And learn to like shit like Hormel turkey chili, no beans. It’s like a 50g protein grenade going off in your gut.

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    • Eating so much is tiresome. Unless your goal is to be a big mofo like Dwayne Johnson, I wouldn’t recommend going through all the trouble that is eating constantly. Just go for the lean slightly muscular physique: 3 meals/day and a post-w/o snack. You’ll get the Brad Pitt in Fight Club look or Ryan Gosling in Crazy Stupid Love, bigger even if you aren’t too tall.

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      • why you think I ain’t 200 anymore? lol…couldn’t hack the calories. Upthread some idiot is saying how 2.5 lbs of meat isn’t 5000 calories. No shit, huh? Wow, as IF I said the only thing I ate was meat. I put down 300g of protein a day and drank tons of water. Eating was a constant exercise.

        Someone says I’m not an ectomorph; LOL. I love how people can see my physique from across the internet. News flash- I’m 6’0 and I weighed 140 lbs. I graduated HS at 132. I wrestled 98 as a frosh. Don’t tell me what you think you know about me. After divorce and smoking and life sucking, I lost all the way back down to the mid 150s in office attire.

        Gaining weight and looking big is something that consumes a lot of effort. Dwayne Johnson? LOL…not a chance in hell; my genetics aren’t on the same planet as his for physical size.

        But 15 mins in the gym 3x/week…for a guy who weighs 140? WTF do any of these clowns actually believe was going to come from that…oh yeah, I’ll look like Brad Pitt…LOL. Yeah revelation- actors use ROIDS to look like that.

        I have lifted weights since highschool…always compound lifts. The “advice” I see on lifting and what can be expected is simply loltastic. Especially from guys who can’t pick up a chick!

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      • Being an ectomorph can definitely be frustrating. At 5’9 and 140 I am surprisingly muscular (again – with a very small frame). The problem is, unless a woman sees me shirtless at the beach, she would never believe it. In clothes I look no different from all the skinnyfat hipsters they see all the time. Can’t do much about having a slight frame/bone structure. Sucks

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      • Is that famous statue of “David” an example of an ectomorph?

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      • David (by MA) is a meso. Trav777 makes a good point. Most fit Hollywood actors have at some point taken performance enhancing drugs.

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  9. My favorite things to do in the gym:

    deadlifts
    squats (front and back)
    presses
    cleans
    snatches
    Kettlebell swings
    pullups/chinups
    burpees

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    • Deadlift, squats and bench press are definitely required.

      Sounds like an okay program there. Training your whole body is important for three reasons:

      –Look much better. You don’t want to be a “crab” with just big arms and chest, but a fat waist and untrained legs. Compound exercises give you wide shoulders and a slim waist, goodlooking legs and buttocks, the works. If you want women to think you look good, and not just impress the fellas at the gym who focus on arms, then do compound movements.

      –Lose fat. Too often people get fat from working out. “Gotta bulk and cut”, they say, so they fatten up and look like crap half the year, then spend the other half trying to lose that weight. You can put on lean mass.

      –Avoid injury, both from lifting and from life. All those muscles that compound exercises strengthen are needed for stabilizing your body when you start increasing weights later on.

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    • People who don’t train their biceps directly have small biceps.

      I get not focusing on only your beach muscles, but now there’s almost this new culture (online) of actively ignoring them!

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  10. Interesting post. I started going to the gym about 3 months ago. My first experience was not really knowing what to do and also being intimidated by massive body builders who were staring at me. They almost immediately came over and started telling me how to lift, I guess I was doing things wrong, and then they insisted I work out with them and it turned out they were really friendly guys. I haven’t grown a large amount of muscle mass, I don’t know if I have the genes for it, but it helps knowing I am doing something good for myself and getting rid of “noodle arms”. For example, a guy I know tried to get me to talk to a bridesmaid at a wedding and made a joke that her arms were bigger than mine. I don’t think women suddenly want to have sex with men described in that way, not sure. Also, if I ever get attacked, maybe I can overpower the attackers, that would be nice.

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    • Also, if I ever get attacked, maybe I can overpower the attackers, that would be nice.

      Join a fighting gym. There’s a million different ones but just getting started will help. The Muy Thai guys are crazy if you have one of those around you.

      Plus, it’s fun

      And carry a knife.

      This is a nice price to quality knife

      I hear benchmades are nice too.

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      • on October 22, 2014 at 3:36 pm sheerforceofwilliam

        I have one of those knives (kershaw assisted opening) and its a good one but the handles are slick metal and the grip is somewhat unstable thus not so good for defensive purposes.

        ….not implying that I’ve field tested for that

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      • not a bad idea. Although the knife won’t stop one of those knockout attacks. If the attack is unsuccessful, then yes, the knife could do some damage. I just noticed the knockout attacks never take place on big guys.

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      • Negroes aren’t allowed to carry knives so we carry straight razors; once people see a lot of their own blood they usually don’t want to fight any more.

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      • I have one of those knives (kershaw assisted opening) and its a good one but the handles are slick metal and the grip is somewhat unstable thus not so good for defensive purposes.

        Good point, this might be better for purely defensive use
        http://talonknife.com/

        not a bad idea. Although the knife won’t stop one of those knockout attacks. If the attack is unsuccessful, then yes, the knife could do some damage. I just noticed the knockout attacks never take place on big guys.

        Situational awareness. If you see a group of black men under the age of 30, cross the street. If a group of black guys are walking behind you, don’t just pretend they aren’t there.

        Yes, it will hurt thwacks feelings.

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      • Self-defense spray with a 12-15 feet reach is better. If you aren’t used to fighting your arms will feel weak and you won’t dare to fight with a knife. But you can still aim a spray at the guy’s eyes.

        But there are some that are weak, so that a guy jacked up on drugs could still keep attacking. Get a strong one, and also one with color in it. The color stays for days. When a guy is hit by that there is also a shock factor, getting something in his eyes – he will not be so eager to rob you anymore, he will have to worry about how to get home without being seen.

        Also, how about banning the thwack troll, CH? Now seems to be as good a time as ever. He doesn’t contribute anything anyway.

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      • cutting a mans tongue out does not prove him a liar.

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      • cutting a mans tongue out does not prove him a liar.

        Maybe not… but it spares one from having to hear his subsequent (and often inane) troofs.

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    • Gyms can have very different clienteles. Sounds like you got a good gym there. I go to two gyms, one close to work and one close to work – I need that with uneven work hours, long story. But. One of the gyms has a lot of free weights and a lot of bodybuilders. Several who compete.

      The other gym, it’s just me and a few others who use the free weights. Lots of old people in the mornings, more women than the other gym. Almost everyone is on those tracks and bikes the whole time, so I hear those machines working as a constant buzz while I’m doing exercises that help my body a lot more. I feel like telling them “Lift free weights! I’ll give you some links, follow them! Doesn’t matter if you’re old, just lift less in that case, it’s still better for you than losing muscle mass and getting hungry from standing on that track for an hour.”

      But they wouldn’t listen.

      Forum.BodyBuilding.com is the place to go to learn. Note: the FORUM, not the site. Spend a couple of hours there reading stickies. People usually avoid stickies because they want “living” threads – more fool them. The stickies are there for a reason. A few hours of learning help you for years.

      The reason you are not increasing mass could be that you are not eating enough. You have to increase your calories, or your muscles won’t have anything to build with. Read this:

      http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156380183&page=1

      Use Ctrl F and go down to “Katch-McArdle”. You’ll need to calculate your body fat, an estimation, which you can Google how to do.

      However, if you want a simpler method that still is pretty accurate (and you won’t be eating the exact number of calories anyway, nor can you ever calculate the exact number precisely), use this from the same page:

      The simplest method uses a standard “calories per unit weight” (usually kgs). They calculate a TOTAL CAL REQUIREMENT (TEE). They are:
      – 26 to 30 kcal/kg for normal, healthy individuals with sedentary lifestyles doing little physical activity
      – 31 to 37 kcal/kg for those involved in light to moderate activity 3-5 x a week with moderately active lifestyles
      – 38 to 40 kcal/kg for those involved in vigorous activity and highly active jobs

      For those involved in HEAVY training (eg: athletes) – the demand is greater:
      – 41 to 50 kcal/kg for those involved in moderate to heavy training (for example: 15-20 hrs/ week training)
      – 50 or above kcal/kg for those involved in heavy to extreme training

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 3:14 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      You simply have no idea yet how aggravating it is when people use horrible form. It’s like when women try to parallel park repeatedly and fail: you just want to go and tell her to let you park the car and spare the poor vehicle the misery.

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      • so, in other words, the bodybuilders are not nice guys after all, they are just annoyed by the poor technique and want it to stop.

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  11. Hard to keep up. Trained for six months straight 3/4 times a week, focused on hypertrophy, seen amazing results. But laziness and work got in the way (…ok it’s just laziness…).

    However; I did notice zero results on my attractiveness to women. This shit doesn’t matter at all, except maybe during the bang (that’s the only reason for me to get back to the gym).

    If one has to prioritize, train your tongue and social skills first.

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    • thats true but lifting has more to do with raising YOUR confidence and testosterone levels rather than actually attracting women with muscles

      think of it as a form of inner game

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      • I was going to say. It does wonders for the confidence

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      • Yup. Confidence. It’s synergy between the physical and mental

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      • Exactly: your confidence level, not your lifting numbers, is the point in terms of boosting Game.

        I have recently gotten back into shape from the opposite direction: from being of, I’d say, above average natural muscle mass, but covered in (mostly) midsection fat, to getting multiple ‘wow! you look great’ comments from people who knew me from Before.

        My abs were never visible Before. One day, there it was in the bathroom mirror: definition. This caused an instant, and addictive, spike in confidence. I was looking for the -health benefits- of less weight stressing my joints, lowering the risk of hypertension and diabetes that come with age, etc. But this side effect was like a lightning bolt from the blue.

        My increased physical impressiveness has some value at the closing stage when I’m undressed and ready to get down. But I know these details of physical appearance have little use in the opening stages when I’m in a dark club, covered in clothes and a sport jacket, or even in daylight covered in a coat for the colder weather. Physique is not a substitute for Game. I/You. Still. Need. Game. That’s the takeaway.

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      • to getting multiple ‘wow! you look great’ comments from people who knew me from Before.

        But you just joined in the chorus about how being built doesn’t matter, it’s all about confidence. So how could they think you look better from working out? Doesn’t compute. They should all be focusing on how great your personality is.

        “Physique is not a substitute for Game.” Physique is part of game.

        Is it really that difficult to understand that there are several factors that influence a man’s success? Are the aspies too focused on finding the One True Solution, so that everything has to be described in black and white?

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      • It does both. For raw physical attractiveness, muscles are a multiplier and leanness is the general base for that multiplier — that’s the best way I can describe the relationship. If you gain muscle but start from a high bf, you won’t see a ton of difference.

        If you get lean — 10% bf — and build some muscle, you will see a huge difference.

        Get lean first, then put on the muscles. First, if you’re fat you aren’t at your facial best. You will be shocked at how much better you look between like 22% bf and 10% bf. I hear all the time that I look like a “totally” different person. I’ve talked to people who didn’t even recognize me until 20-30 seconds into the conversation. Night and day difference. I’m a short guy and get tons of passive IOIs now.

        Imagine the difference it makes for an average height+ guy? Huuuge. I dunno why it’s so hard for some people to admit that looking better is part of the equation.

        For “game” everything is easier. You feel great, so you act like you’re great. And it’s easier to see that it is, in fact, a skill. Dudes suck at talking to women.

        For life generally, you think better. Or at least I do. More alert while simultaneously more focused.

        As for priority — do both!
        Work, hit the gym, and go out. If you’re a newb and single, why not? That’s what I did. It was fun. I still do that sometimes.

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      • Scray

        Congratulations on your accomplishments. It know how it feels: it sucks being overweight when you’re self-conscious about it. And one day you find ‘a new you’. It’s amazing.

        I know that feeling better inside, physically and psychologically, shows on the outside: the swagger, the smirk, the jaw held high, and arms swinging without a care; these come much more naturally now.

        Sly Stallone once wrote in his magazine about how your worst enemy is your false perception of your own limitations. Yeah, we all have real limitations, but the -false- ones are the killers. It feels good to overcome them.

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      • @Scray

        “Get lean first, then put on the muscles. First, if you’re fat you aren’t at your facial best.”

        agree with that. extra weight in your face makes you look feminine. soft round faces are for girls. man jaws are for men.

        losing the extra pounds can be a life changer when it comes to building confidence and whether women care much about appearances or not, you can never go wrong by looking as masculine and healthy as possible.

        and besides the confidence boosting and the change in your appearance you feel better. have more energy, more stamina.

        and another added benefit of losing the weight? your dick is longer. no you don’t actually gain inches but without the gut getting in the way you have more reach. think about it.

        there have been times when i’ve had a gut and times when i haven’t. i’m telling you, a big old gut can limit the pleasure for sure.

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      • lemme weigh in here…I have a RLPL cashmere sweater that hugs the body. I look like Captain America in it. I get eye raped by chicks. Even at work, the professionals in the big 4 accounting firms who are demure as hell and poker faced couldn’t keep their eyes off my torso when I wore it once after my ACL recon.

        When girls are giving you more beef inspection than the FDA yeah you’re gonna feel like a million bucks and it’s easier to be cocky/funny. You already know what they are thinking and that their nether regions are on defcon 1

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 3:28 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @Scray, I have no idea why people deny the importance of looks. I’ve been fat in early high-school(maybe chubby by American standards lol) then I’ve been in good shape until I finished uni. Girls that knew me before would come up to me and tell me I look great and touch my abs out of nowhere or ask me to flex my abs for them. I had some unfortunate things happen(bad knee injury, deaths of some close people) so I was depressed and quit gym and got overweight again and now I lost the fat and I’m in the process of building my body up again.

        I’ve been in all these stages and being fit simply is superior for game. Not only you have to put in less effort, but you are also attractive to more girls. You also feel better yourself. It’s simply a no brainer. Not to mention that you can simply fuck better when you’re in good shape(I fucked this girl last year when I was out of shape and after a few minutes of hard fucking I was feeling like I’ll get out of breath lol). I consider confidence to be mainly influenced by how well you do in the wealth and health department. At least in my case, it is, despite the general trend of giving less and less of a fuck as I grow older.

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    • BTW, that’s like most fad dudes who go biggest loser, find no success at all with women, then become fat again

      Their lack of game is probably why they became fat in the first place.

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    • However; I did notice zero results on my attractiveness to women

      What’s with all you guys who have to see everything in extremes? It’s like nuance is too difficult. So it’s either “Looks are the only thing that matter!” or “Looks don’t matter, it’s all about confidence!”. And you guys never have any support to provide for what you’re saying. Your own experience – one person – is supposed to be the middle of the universe and so much wiser, ’cause you live in the real world, yo!

      The fact that research has shown time and time again that women care about men being well-trained, though they don’t care as much as men care about women’s looks – that’s too nuanced for you to understand.

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    • I thought all those coalburners were digging the black guys ripped bod?

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    • You only need to do 4-6 exercises to keep in shape, total time less than an hour. Glad to see you admit to your real excuse: laziness….

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    • Doesn’t matter at all except during the bang? That’s the point! The bang….I’ve always got compliments on my arms when I take off my shirt for women. Women are very aware when men have been working out and when they haven’t. Even if your older. I’ve seen 20 something women give compliments to guys 60+ who have just started working out. Women are monkeys tuned by evolution to notice muscularity and recognize it as a genuine genetic fitness
      clue for mating. Make no mistake!

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    • Don’t EVER lift for the ladies. Let the motivation come from inside, or you’ll drop it quick.

      It’s ok to take a brief hiatus from weights. After going at it for months at a time, I’ll take 2-3 weeks off and focus on cardio or other activities. It’s much better when I return.

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  12. Awesome post, CH. Definitely more men should lift!

    I’ve been lifting off and on since age 17 or so, but only got into it seriously six months ago. Had observable results in about 3 days.

    Compound exercises are key. Deadlifts, squats, presses, plus HIIT and light cardio. Currently doing three sets of 10-12 reps, with increasing weight/set, 3-4 times a week.

    The iron will change your life.

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    • Light cardio, with interval training, is the best. As research shows, twenty minutes of interval training is just as good for the hearts and lungs as more than an hour on the treadmill. And our bodies aren’t made for long, sustained cardio. They are made for moving slowly (walking), lifting heavy things, and running in fast, short bursts.

      I don’t have the link now, but there was a Japanese doctor who studied this and found that six minutes of interval training per day does wonders for the heart and lungs, and no more is needed for most people. (And of course walking, which is more about keeping your body going.) So you can do half a minute of moving as fast as you can, then half a minute of moving slow. Then increase the time you are moving fast.

      Weight loss? That’s about diet. For more weight loss that doesn’t reduce your muscle mass, lift weights. It is insane how people keep doing long, monotonous cardio to lose weight, when it almost NEVER works. In fact, people gain weight from cardio. They lose few calories from that exercise. Then they get hungry and eat more. They overestimate how much they lost from the training and eat more than they lost.

      Plus, cardio increases the stress hormone cortisol, which tells the body to store fat for use in an emergency. Cortisol also breaks down the skin and body, making you age. Weightlifting also releases cortisol, but also releases a counter-hormone.

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      • The Japanese doctor you refer to is Tabata. His method is popular is CrossFit training. It is 20 seconds of max effort, followed by 10 seconds of rest, for 8 rounds (3:50 total). Try it with situps, pushups, jump squats, etc.

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  13. CH,

    Mike Mentzer. No bullshit,. A genius

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  14. By all means do it, but do it while you are still young, or you will fuck up your back. Know when to stop : the problem is that it is really too easy to put on muscle, you can look like a freak.

    Don’t think it will make you a player, or save you from getting mugged.

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  15. By all means do it, but do it while you are still young, or you will fuck up your back. Know when to stop : the problem is that it is really too easy to put on muscle, you can look like a freak.

    Don’t think it will make you a player, or save you from getting mugged.

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  16. Solid post. I think you should add an advisory against Arnold style splits, however. I see too many newbies doing a leg day, chest day, etc. From what I’ve read, natural lifters have about 48 hours tops of actual muscle protein synthesis after training, even if they completely destroy a muscle. So I recommend full body workouts or a two day split, for 3-4 total sessions per week, in order to keep your muscles growing.

    Before the drug era, virtually all pro bodybuilders were doing full body, 3x a week routines for precisely this reason.

    [Ch: older men should be careful with this suggestion. recovering from full body workouts three times a week is easier when you’re 20. ten years later, not so much.]

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    • No worries, CH! I do compound exercises and other exercises to train the whole body every time. You start slow, eat right, sleep right, warm up right, wait enough time between sets. You make sure not to make the lifts too heavy, a mistake people make so they have to do a jerking, uncontrolled movement with their whole body to get the weights up – that’s what gets you. You take a sauna bath, a hot bath or at least a long, hot shower after training to expand blood vessels – this greatly reduces muscle ache. And if you feel your muscles aching too much, you wait a day or two extra until next time. Just make sure not to push through like a rhino. Methodical improvement.

      This way you avoid injuries and can keep going month after month when others have to take some time off. There is wisdom in that old turtle-and-the-hare fable.

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    • I’m in my early fifties. When you first get in to it, you’re awfully sore and recovery is slow. But it gets better, and you have to stretch/do yoga to really appreciate it.

      But as the OP says, it’s also a huge boost to your state of mind.

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      • Indeed. I started at 45 after being a skinny fat tub of shit – the worst possible combo. Was sore as shit for weeks. But interestingly, now that I’ve been doing it for several years I notice that I really can’t do without a few good workouts a week. Start feeling really down and blah if I don’t get to the gym.

        Also noticed that on those rare occasions when I do slug out for a few weeks and do nothing, I can typically get back in peak form fairly quickly. I wonder if once you train your muscles for several years if they actually bounce back faster and atrophy slower than the muscles of a couch potato.

        It’s all bodyweight exercises for me these days, chin ups, pull ups, push ups, etc. Too many injuries with heavy weights… And yoga — as foo foo as many think it is — is key for folks my age. Stretching becomes really important.

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 3:34 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        “I wonder if once you train your muscles for several years if they actually bounce back faster and atrophy slower than the muscles of a couch potato.”
        The answer is yes.

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      • It’s called muscle memory, thoro. And, yes, it is real.

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    • Fuck the gym; just go work with Mexicans.

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 3:33 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      @CH: Does it get that bad from 30 on? I’m in my mid 20s and me and my friends(all in the mid 20s, give or take a few years) are pensive after our early 20s and dread turning 30. It’s why I also made making my body the best it can be the mission for the remainder of my 20s. It will never be this good again so might as well see how the best me would look like.

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  17. on October 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

    BCAAs prevent muscle catabolism. Add them in your pre and intra-workout shakes.

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    • I prefer anavar

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    • ch RIGHTLY says critical supplements are “whey protein, creatine, and magnesium citrate.” I had to look down the whole list but Mr. Hair Fresh accurately points out take your Aminos before, after, during – super important and the smart young guys are doing it – I can see it in their progresws. It’s as simple as mixing a tasty grape drink – no reason not to do it and if you don’t your giving up a simple way to achieve gains – your body is made half or more in the kitchen and half in the gym. The stuff these days tastes great = you’ll look forward to drinking them.

      Try N.O. Expode or Jacked before a workout and see the difference.

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 9:13 am Hymen Mingesky

        Unless you are a vegan, or super-endurance athlete BCAAs are a waste of money imho. Most supps are.

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      • What about pine cones? I heard they contain a dick hardening agent that stimulates your pineal gland which is what gives you rock hard morning erections.

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  18. > “Character, Fortitude, Confidence.” Which one of those concepts applies to the idea of handing $500 to your pregnant lover and dispatching her off to Planned Murderhood? Or do Fortitude & Confidence imply that the bitch’ll just have to pay for it herself, out-of-pocket? Or is this where we invoke Ebolacare FTW!?!

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  19. I started lifting six years ago, inspired by a comment thread here. Year One, I followed a trainer’s program, which was mostly machines, two sets of ten on each exercise. CH is dead-on with how soon you see results–physical and psychological.

    Year Two and on, I moved onostly to freeweights, changing things up periodically and at whim. Right now, my typical upper body workout is 2×20 reps with medium weight, third set to muscle failure.

    If your gym has heavybags, box them at least once a month. On a good day you’ll get a rush like no other.

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  20. BCAAs prevent muscle catabolism. Add them in your pre and intra-workout shakes.

    Link to best product please

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  21. Not to disparage weightlifting but gyms are boring social scenes and play irritating music. You can achieve good results with old-fashioned calisthenics and save money on gym fees.

    Recommended reading : http://www.dragondoor.com/b41/

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    • Then put on headphones and crank up fucking Rammstein. Don’t go to the gym to be social. You’re there to work.

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    • on October 22, 2014 at 5:51 pm Just Went Rogue

      Yeah, every dickhead and their mother goes to the gym now. Overcrowded, overpriced, burn them all down. You can get the same results with a pair of dumbells and a pullup bar in your shitty studio apartment.

      tl;dr: fuck gyms, they are gay

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 3:38 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Just wait for January. My gym had 30% off their membership fee this summer and I asked the trainer if they will add a surcharge in January for the new years resolution people. He laughed. Fuck working out in January.

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    • craigslist is your friend when it comes to getting equipment for your private gym… stay away from Marcy and Weider, and look for Body Solid, Tuff Stuff, Parabody, and the now defunct Hoist, Continental, and Keys Fitness weight stack gyms, benches, sleds, etc.

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  22. No love for bodyweight exercises?

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    • sure man, they’re great for chicks.

      I marvel at the “manosphere.” It never occurred to all the betas and spergs here that nearly ALL of the jacked douchebags you wanna look like are actually juicing, did it? lol

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    • Bodyweight exercises have many benefits, but if you want to add pure strength then you’ve got to get under or over the barbell.

      If you’re doing compound moves, then add some pullups and burpees to your routine and you’ll be good. Dips, pushups and planks, as well.

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    • only when Im in prison

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    • standard bodyweight exercises are good up to a point but then you outgrow them and they wont make you any stronger

      however you can make them more challenging by doing exercises where you have less leverage and thus it mimics a weight increase.

      for example doing pushups with your hands by back your waist rather than in the normal position

      gymnasts make use of this principle to build incredible strength and physiques.

      try doing handstand pushups against a wall, one of my favourite exercises

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  23. Apparently I don’t care about this at all because I currently am crushing on a seriously disfigured guy who cannot walk properly and is partially paralyzed. He says he prefers Asian and Indian chicks. I’ve heard from other scrawny or short guys that they also do better with Indian and Asian girls. So if beefing up is not for you, maybe go exotic.

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  24. I’m increasingly drawn to the idea that one of the essential elements of game is contrast. That can be with attitude, dress, physique etc. The important thing is you have contrast. In western society today, most men have flabby physiques. I do not subscribe to the notion that “looks trump all” but along the lines of developing contrast, a lean and tone physique will stand you apart. Let alone the health benefits.

    Now you DO NOT have to join a gym, follow any complicated routines, cross fit or take supplements. You just need to exercise moderately to failure, and eat well. The fork is the best piece of workout equipment, and it is impossible to get a lean look without watching your diet (note I said watching and not dieting).

    An MMA style workout will get you there. Sets of push ups until failure (i.e. 5 x 25, 30 etc.), bicep curls with low weight dumbbells 20-30lbs (5×15), military presses with dumbells (5×25) etc., a pull up bar (5x whatever you can muster) along 4-5 sets of squats with no weights, this should be done in under 45 minutes. The key element is the rest between sets. You want to fatigue the muscle so waiting less than a minute, 30 seconds is best, is the way to maximize the workout and minimize your time.

    This along with 3 days of walking (just walk, don’t run) 3-5 miles a day will get you to a MMA type of build, lean, with definition in minimal time with minimal risk of injury. And you can do it at home.

    The male ideal?

    Cock size will vary LOL

    MMA fighter..

    Hollywood…

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    • how about actually doing MMA?

      MMA fighter- steroids
      Actor- steroids
      singer- steroids
      David- made of marble. He’s fuckin impressive in person, I managed to get a selfie there.

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      • MMA – I have an aversion to the sweaty embrace of men… same goes for wrestling, as soon as we started off in this position…

        something in my head say “hey you are hetero, knock this shit off”. But you be greek and all.

        Steroids, these builds are achieved with diet. You can use roids to get there, but you don’t have to. I know, having been there.

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 3:40 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Just because you have to juice to look like that, it doesn’t mean we all have to juice to look like that. You’re dead on though about most athletes probably juicing though. Just look at Serena Williams. 😛

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  25. If you’re serious about gaining muscle then use gear. Google up “Zyzz” and look at his before and after. Now you can say all you want about muscles not mattering for game, but if your starting point is Zyzz, then you are going to get alot more from your game (and probably need less).

    Lifting naturally takes forever. I transformed my physique in only a year and a half with juice. Do the research, find a consultant and use steroids. Better living through chemistry.

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  26. Excellent summary post. @trav777 – You don’t need all that shit to have a respectable physique. Attention to detail makes you look a lot better than adding pure muscle mass. i look a lot bigger now compared to when I was 15 pounds heavier with a similar body fat because I put mass in the right places. Check out all of Vince Gironda’s work if you don’t believe me. Two pounds of muscle in your upper traps, lateral heads of your delts biceps and triceps will make you look a lot bigger than 5lbs in the middle of your back or on your thighs (although don’t skip leg day, don’t be that guy). Squats and dead lifts are absolutely safe IF you do them correctly. Check out Kelly Starrett’s stuff at mobilitwod dot com.

    I would agree with CH about the recovery periods being longer for older guys and how full body workouts can take their toll. Personally I do 2 full body workouts a week and it has maxed out my recovery because I lift damn hard when I’m in there.

    Just a side note about injuries- linear progression is a great way to get injured. Check out anything by Louis Simmons for west side barbell club – yeah it’s for power lifters and yeah they are all juiced up – but using their conjugate method for swapping out exercises and using assistance lifts have basically made me injury proof. Max dead lift is 410 @ 160lbs bodyweight, 365lb squat, 275 bench press. I haven’t been injured in over 5 years of steady training. Right now I’m just maintaining because life stress and work have gotten in the way but I think i maintain a respectable physique for less than 2 hours total gym time per week. http://themanthemyth.com/what-now/ here’s the proof – no drugs, no cardio except for sex and the occasional hike, no protein powder. Results are repeatable but consistency is the magic sauce here that makes it happen. Just like with game, small consistent changes can add up to huge dividends. Great article! Especially about the mental fortitude – probably the most underrated aspect of lifting.

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  27. “Iron makes the weak strong and the strong humble.”

    I got by far the most ridiculous IOIs in my life while I was working out, doing non-swole lifting and martial arts 3-4 nights a week every week for a few years. Pity I didn’t keep it up.

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  28. Just read P.D. Mangan’s book (the blogger in the first link in the article). Highly recommend it. It’s short and to the point.

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  29. bodybuilding culture is even finding its way into cuck porn (end of clip)

    http://www.efukt.com/21184_American_History_XXX.html

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  30. for a newbie, the BEST way to start fixing your screwed up internals and let the 80/20 rule begin to play is heavy weights and low reps. the T, the confidence, all of it is awesome.

    but caution….. girls sniff weakness and the two things that will destroy (and will get you destroyed by a crafty rakehell like me) is over development.

    too good of shape or too many try hard tats and boom…..i got your girl.

    you wanna keep toned, stay strong, and avoid the meathead perception. you can be too big, to developed, to mean looking. at 250 and 6’2″, I bench right at 305, frankly with my internal attitude its too much. i am constantly DQ’ing myself just to not get a girl to self-eject.

    if you are a nerd or a beta just starting out though, its the first thing you MUST do, just expect to have to taper off as you unfuck yourself and your mind becomes stronger than your body needs to be.

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    • just a note tho:

      the tryhard shit is easy as fuck to deflect.

      my favorite — ‘oh yeah im just naturally like this actually…i barely spend any time in the gym’

      trips the logic circuits every time and the would-be AMOG instantly tries to call me out on how ‘that must be a lie.’

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 4:04 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      The meathead thing is the same kind of shit test you will get if you’re older than her. Just don’t assume her frame.

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      • Actually when I see a meathead I just see a target, a challenge, an experiment. If his girls hot (usually not but maybe), I know its an easy get.

        Here is the basic strategy:

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  31. Great post CH (who obviously knows his Iron) and some equally interesting comments here.

    I’m not a PT or an expert. I have simply followed the Law of Iron consistently and learned by reading up and sweating my ass off in the gym. It is my church…my temple.

    If you want dramatic results, I recommend the MAX OT method. Period. Nothing else comes close.

    http://www.jeffwillet.com/newsite/2011/09/what-is-max-ot-and-why-is-it-best-for-changing-your-body/

    You don’t need steroids. A good protein is about all I need these days.

    Be conscious of your nutrition. Try to eat as clean as you can and limit carbs (don’t cut them out). Calculate what an optimum protein carb fat ratio is so you aid muscle development whilst not consuming to many calories (look to be calorie negative).

    I’m 43 and started training 10 years ago. My 1RM bench press is now 308 pounds (I remember my first ever proper gym session and struggled with 90 pound). I train more intense than the young guys at the gym and get comments all the time – in the gym and out of the gym. I’m 6’4″ which means I intimidate that fuck out of 98% of the population. I’m not a “freak” by any means, nor ripped (probably 20% BF) but I’m jacked and no one fucks with me and my GF’s love it.

    I get looks all the time, but I’m still working on my early Game. It doesn’t matter how big you get, you still have to approach and act on the IOI’s that will come your way more often when jacked. You can’t just stand there and look big and have girls come up to you.

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    • You can’t just stand there and look big and have girls come up to you.

      But it does happen occasionally, at a bar, or in the gym. You’ll be standing there doing squats or resting between sets or whatever, listening to Rammstein or Motorhead on your earbuds, and they’ll come up to you and start talking and all you see is their lips moving.

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      • all you see is their lips moving.

        Yeah, right.

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 4:10 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @KP: I don’t know about his gym, but at mine most girls are fat(waist above 28″). Out of the remainder of girls, a couple are gym rats. The odds are, you won’t notice anything about them. Or at least, I don’t.

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  32. I know the best workout known to mankind….

    care to guess what it is, boys?

    …..

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    • The best workout is boys? Hmmm….

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      • lol. Look at the silly kneegro, attempting his 12-year-old-caliber wordplay. It’s cute, like when a little kid dresses up in daddy’s clothes and says “I’m a grown up no!”

        besides, we all know all you bruthas are all on DL

        never-be-human rape!

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  33. CH, our friend, and mentor, please… it’s “mans”, “womans” and “hers”, not “man’s”, “woman’s” and “her’s”. (I’m not even english-speaking, dammit.)

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    • It’s man’s and woman’s, but hers. If you want to give this kind of advice, check it first.

      And while we’re at it, its instead of it’s when possessive. It’s amazing how many are unable to learn that quick and simple rule. Nowadays you even see people write you’re when they mean your. And some are too dumb to understand that they should write whose, instead writing who’s. For those who are native English speakers, this takes five minutes to learn in school and then you’re done.

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        When someone who is from an English speaking country doesn’t know these things, I quickly label them as mentally challenged.

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    • Not to mention the plurals: GFs (as in girlfriends not girlfriend’s)

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  34. CH: you should put this info into a PDF or e-book, like Mangan’s supplements guide. (Which, by the way, is really useful).

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  35. Talking about training, let’s spread the word about ditching cardio. There is no reason for people to run on the treadmill for an hour anymore. For those who refuse to lift weights – at least do interval training instead of monotonous jogging.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/chronic-cardio-2

    “At the end of the study, the women in the interval group had lost three times the body fat as the women in the continuous exercise group.”

    “Another collaborative study organized by universities and health institutes in Denmark and Japan highlighted the same distinction in fat oxidation between prolonged, continuous exercise and shorter, intense interval routines. In addition to additional fat oxidation, the study’s results linked interval exercise with lower plasma glucose, increased epinephrine response, lower insulin concentration and increased fat oxidation during the recovery period.”

    Cardio makes people hungrier so they eat more. They think they lose more calories from running than they really do. Running also makes people tired so they move around less the rest of the day. Studies show that people usually stay the same weight or actually gain weight when doing cardio.

    Cardio releases the stress hormone cortisol, which tells the body to store fat for an emergency. Weightlifting also releases cortisol, but also releases a counter-hormone.

    Cardio makes the body take energy from both fat and muscle mass. So that when you – inevitably – quit the boring, monotonous running, you have less muscle mass to burn calories. So you gain weight faster.

    The loss of muscle mass also gives runners the infamous “pancake ass”. Because of course, thinking that running is all they need, they never do squats or lunges.

    People who do a lot of cardio have shorter lifespans, same as people who do no exercise at all.

    Running damages the joints. Not something people worry about when they are young, but they ruin their chances of staying in shape later in life. In fact, running causes a lot of wear and tear. Especially for the heart and lungs. They are made for short bursts, and for long walks or for rest, not for an hour or more of sustained strain. One of the worst things you can do to your heart and lungs is to train for a marathon. Is that participation ribbon really worth that much?

    Running in a city also makes you gulp down a lot more fumes than you would simply from walking – perhaps a contributing reason to why runners so often look wrinkly early in life.

    More about cardio:

    http://eattoperform.com/2013/09/07/5-arguments-for-cardio-and-one-against/

    No matter what your heart rate monitor tells you, you didn’t earn 450 calories. When you work out, you are essentially placing stress upon the various systems of your body, which isn’t favorable for fat loss. When your body senses stress (as a general rule) it needs food, rest, or a combo platter to combat the disruption. If you don’t provide sufficient amounts of both your body simply down-regulates fat loss to adjust to the stress.

    As I mentioned above, this is actually a pretty great thing – stress is what leads to adaptation and makes you a more functional human being. What it doesn’t tend to do be favorable for is retention or growth of muscle – the notable exception is HIIT with sprints or spinning or something of that nature. Even in that instance, dollar for dollar, you are better off with resistance or weight training for building muscle.

    Why is building muscle important? Put simply, the body functions better and processes nutrients better when it’s carrying more muscle. If you want to speed up your metabolism, weight training is the ticket – not cardio.

    And:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-evidence-continues-to-mount-against-chronic-cardio

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    • “There is no reason for people to run on the treadmill for an hour anymore.”

      …being able to fuck without running out of breath? I don’t know much about exercise but I don’t think lifting weights or having bigger muscles is going to help a guy’s cardio for long periods of physical activity like fucking.

      I hate running/cardio, but I also hate getting winded and collapsing during sex lol

      “In fact, running causes a lot of wear and tear. Especially for the heart and lungs. They are made for short bursts, and for long walks or for rest, not for an hour or more of sustained strain. One of the worst things you can do to your heart and lungs is to train for a marathon”

      Shit, maybe I’d better give up sex, it sounds hazardous to my health.

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      • HIIT is very helpful for endurance too.

        Classic cardio is ridiculous on all standards.

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 4:14 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        If anything, fucking is more like high intensity interval training than running on a treadmill. Considering you know game, I assume you got a lot of girls in bed so I hope you didn’t bore them with monotonous cardio like fucks. 😛

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      • lol yes

        the only reason i run is to be able to fuck longer and harder. actually.

        getting lean you just walk uphill on incline with 130bpm heartbeat in the morning before any food for any sort of fatloss

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    • This is one I will emphatically agree with. I only do intervals and my bjj students I force to do the same thing. Endurance cardio is borderline useless

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    • “Is that participation ribbon really worth that much?”

      it is for certain types. the multiple thousands of type A that run big city marathons. the crazy ex-dancers with multiple injuries packing bikram yoga classes desperate to compete in something, anything. the ex college athletes that do not know what else to do with their time.

      that’s the main thing cardio does: eats up free time. also allows them to have an identity via fancy uniforms/shoes, expensive monitoring equipment, elaborate training methods.

      “I don’t know much about exercise”

      no shit. i’ll add it to the list.

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  36. “Muscular strength trumped all the other mentioned markers when it came to cancer mortality. The cancer risk at the highest tertile of strength was 40% less than the lowest.”

    wow – just wow.

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  37. OT: please check this article: http://gawker.com/how-we-got-rolled-by-the-dishonest-fascists-of-gamergat-1649496579. in all sincerity, please read it so that you can see inside the minds of our enemies.

    gawker – one of the bastions of SJW lies – has been put on blast for its own hypocrisy. in short, a gawker “writer,” sam biddle, urged others to bully “nerds” that didn’t completely buy in to gawker’s worldview, particularly with regard to feminism. this is not surprisingly to anyone who pays attention because these are the sort of tactics and thuggery that these bastards employ every day.

    however, this time, a well-orchestrated effort by members of “#gamergate” (helped, in part, by roosh) petitioned various of gawker’s advertising partners to terminate their relationships with gawker. there was some helpful synchronicity with the timing of gawker’s call to bully because october is “bullying prevention month.” as a result of these efforts by the #gamergate folks, gawker is “reporting” as follows: “Mercedes-Benz—listed on the site as a former partner, and therefore a target—briefly paused its ads on a network that serves ads to Gawker. I’ve been told that we’ve lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions.”

    it couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of people.

    unsurprisingly, what is lost of gawker and its ilk is that these are precisely the sort of efforts that they have repeatedly made in the past to punish anyone who speaks out what they perceive to be turn on issues that affect us all. how many dollars or jobs or lives have been lost as a result of gawker’s efforts to silence any voices who disagree with them? why are these efforts only wrong when they are done to you, gawker?

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    • As Adria Richards found out, and Jim Goad wrote (http://takimag.com/article/the_long_march_through_the_arcade_jim_goad), even cheeto-stained basement dwellers can turn on you like cornered tigers once you leave them nothing else.

      Also, “I’ve been told that we’ve lost thousands of dollars already, and could potentially lose thousands more, if not millions.” (1) There’s a small matter of three orders of magnitude between “thousands” and “millions”. (2) Did the hucksters at the top tell you this to explain your pay cut? (3) Aren’t you paid in feels anyway? (4) How dare they speak of filthy lucre, when social justice is its own reward. See also http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html.

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    • Sounds like the next step is for concerned consumers to write letters to their advertisers. Here’s what’s needed: a list of advertisers, the talking points of interest, and distribution to a relevant audience of email writers. Best not to spam with astroturfed form letters by the way.

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 4:18 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      We should start a NGO like the SPLC to troll these people. I’d love being paid with taxpayer dollars to troll. 😛

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  38. Awesome post!

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  39. on October 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm I'll curl in the squat rack if I fucking well feel like it.

    One thing that is changes after a year or two worth of gains is the level of competition. Other regular men may back down or avert their eyes when they would have previously – pre-swole days – chimed into conversation when you talk to one of their female friends, but in the muscle world, unless your built like a brick shit house you’re at the bottom of the barrel. Great for chicks with orbiters, but risky business moving in on the gym hottie flanked by Brosef and his ‘hold me back’ bros.

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  40. lmao took me almost 2 decades after starting lifting as a know-nothing rook at 14 yo to start intimidating other men with my size & strength, but i got there.

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  41. Compound movements are certainly the most efficient way to go. However make sure that you get your form bang on, otherwise you will end up injured. Especially those squats and deadlifts – get those wrong and you will end up with some serious issues. The same goes for the bench-press, especially for the shoulders. Also check your shoulders and work on getting them un-rounded with things like facepulls etc as the majority of people these days have serious rounding issues and certain exercised (bench press for example) just make it worse.

    Getting an instructor early to get your form right is vitally important however these days finding someone who knows what they are doing is very difficult so do as much of your own research as possible and listen to your body to figure out what you are doing right/wrong. Good luck!

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  42. Surprised you didn’t talk about bodyweight training.

    Once you got a decent pull up bar in place and some simple programme like convict conditioning, you can get as strong as any weightlifter without needing tons of equipment or queuing at the gym. And much less risk of spine damage, since bridges benefit the back muscles. All you need is the discipline to follow a programme day by day.

    It’s not as cool-sounding as saying what you bench but knowing you can do a one-handed pull up does wonders for inner game.

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  43. How are rowing machines for resistance exercises?

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    • The secret of steel has always carried with it a mystery. You must learn its riddle. You must learn its discipline. For no one – no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts. Steel… this you can trust.

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      • ^ An Ahhnold classic. He sure figured out the riddle of steel. People forget or turn a blind eye to how he was breaking records at giving his piece of steel to chicks during his marriage(before the peccadillo he got busted for).

        Being super-alpha will do that. I don’t mean the obvious effect on young poon, I mean real power: the ability to charm entire populations into ignoring the things they would hold against lesser men.

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  44. CH probably didn’t mention bodyweight resistance training because it’s not an effective muscle building method, and, you won’t get as strong as a weightlifter.

    Only incrementally overloading your muscles will increase their size and increase your strength. It won’t take long to plateau using bodyweight alone and you’ll look toned at best.

    10 years in gyms and I’ve never had to que

    or got spine damage

    @ map – rowing machines are good for cardio. Seated rows on the other hand are good for resistance

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    • Do you really believe that weightlifting is more effective than bodyweight training? Olympic gymnasts train exclusively with their own bodyweight, and are equally large as Olympic lifters.

      Maybe by bodyweight you mean plain old push-ups and sit-ups and other such wastes of time, but when I think of bodyweight training, I think of ring dips, muscle-ups and hanging leg raises, as well as the various gymnastic static holds that take ridiculous levels strength to maintain.

      You can incrementally overload your muscles in bodyweight training just as well as you can in weightlifting, it’s just more effort because instead of slapping an extra plate on each end of a bar, you have to think up ways to decrease your leverage to make the exercise tougher. But luckily most of that thinking has been done for you already by gymnastics coaches.

      In any case, you don’t have to pick one or the other. This guy does both: http://beastskills.com/

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 4:25 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Olympic gymnasts also train from age 4-5 onwards, which means that what you see are the results of a grueling decade of training. A former classmate was close to national teams level gymnastic ability and her gymnastics training from grade 5 to grade 8 was 6 hours a day, 3 days a week. The demands for the next stage were even greater so she quit because it affected her study time.

        She didn’t look anywhere close to how gymnasts look and the ones on the national team of my country don’t look as built as the only dedicated female gym goer I’ve seen at my gym. It’s even farcical to think so because for gymnasts size is a disadvantage.

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  45. @ FuriousFerret – thanks for posting that link….awesome.

    “I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

    The Iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found. There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it’s impossible to turn back.

    The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you’re a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.”

    So fucking true.

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  46. “Priceless. The FBI’s own website recommends enabling encryption on cell phones, as the FBI director condemns it.”

    Diversity for thee, racism for me.
    Privacy for me, NSA proctosigmoidoscopies for thee.
    Open borders for thee, Swiss citizenship for me.
    Gated communities for me, HUD vibrancy injections for thee.
    Ebola for thee, no consequences for me.
    “Yes means yes” for thee, “war on women” for me.
    Taxes for thee, free birth control for me.
    Cubicle farms for thee, TARP for me.
    Price inflation for thee, asset reflation for me.
    Socialism for me, capitalism for thee.
    Liberty for me, equality at gunpoint for thee.

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  47. This is a correct post. Again….

    But

    “weight you can lift for ten consecutive repetitions) routine will give you the same muscle growth as a 10/3/3RM (10 sets of 3 reps each at the maximum weight you can lift for three consecutive repetitions) routine.”

    This is confusing and is actually not true. Super high weight (maxing out) triggers different muscle fibers than low weight, high rep. Doing low weight, high rep won’t give you much muscle gains. Maxing out will

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  48. BCAA powder & glutamine powder are great supplements. Magnesium citrate is great for avoiding muscle cramps, restless leg syndrome, and other problems, but it will not directly help you get stronger or bigger.
    Creatine may just make you retain water (looking like fat on your waist)
    more than any other effect it has on you.

    Fat-free protein (such as some shakes, or some dairy products)
    won’t absorb as well as protein + fat. Fat-free protein does not exist in nature.
    Your body is not designed to absorb fat-free protein.
    Whole eggs are a great food. The yolk gives many benefits.

    Counting reps & sets may help at first, but eventually, going for thorough exhaustion of the muscle (failure to continue) is a better guideline.
    Keep strict form of movement, slow, deliberate, no momentum, controlled.

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 4:27 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “going for thorough exhaustion of the muscle (failure to continue)”
      Just don’t be that guy who drops the barbell on himself.

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  49. Best supplement? H2O! Its all you need unless you want to turn into a failed -balls freakazoid.

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  50. Even in those few randomized studies that find nonresponders to resistance training, the number is typically small – on the order of fewer than 20% of total participants, the subjects tilted female, and the time period too short.

    It’s more helpful to look at larger studies, you know, ones with samples bigger than an elevator load. Fortunately such studies exist. In particular, one study looking at individual variation in exercise response had a combined sample of nearly 600 (about 60-40 men and women, mean age 24). It found that after 6 weeks of elbow flexor (biceps, triceps) training, the response was roughly normally distributed (i.e., a bell curve). There were non-responders:

    1. In the case of overall muscle strength, those -1 SD and lower, or the bottom 15%, showed 0 to negative progress. There were more men than women in there, by the way.

    2. In the case of biceps size, those -1.5 SD or below (bottom 7%) showed zero to negative growth (both sexes, more women).

    3. There were virtually no subjects who saw no gains to their 1-rep maximum. This distribution was a heavily right-skewed bell curve; there were people who showed gains well exceeding 100%.

    In all cases, however, the mean gain was about 20%. That’s it.

    But, this was only 12 weeks. A fair amount of time, but not long. The problem is that these were, by and large, exercise novices. So what we see are newbie gains. I suspect most would plateau not far past this point. We really need to see such a study that went out to 6 months, or even a year, to see what the non-response rate was at that point (or more accurately, the maximum response). I’ll be willing to bet that a considerably larger fraction don’t progress very much past these very modest gains.

    And of course, similar studies using twins have shown that exercise response is heritable.

    So, worst case scenario, one out of five men and women won’t get much muscle growth from doing light weight knee raises for three weeks. Good news: 80% of you will see results within only three weeks!

    No, not every man will see equal improvements in the gym, nor look like Franco Columbu, but there will be noticeable improvement. And sometimes a little improvement is all it takes to open a man’s world to a wider vista of vagina.

    Well, that goes back to the above. What percent will see noticeable increases? This is the difference between statistically significant and clinically significant. A 20% size gain (cross-sectional area, so [sqrt 1.2] 9.5% increase in linear width) is on the small side, but sure, I can see that being a big confidence booster for some guys, so it might be worthwhile.

    Those who want to disingenuously argue that resistance training response is heritable should remember that longevity is heritable as well, but has been dramatically increasing for the past century. Environmental input matters.

    Heartiste, you and I need to talk. You seem to be using the word “heritable” as synonym for “immutable” or “unchanging.” That’s not what it means, and that is not how serious people use it.

    Heritability is environmentally context dependent (to a certain degree). As well, highly heritable phenotypes change over time (in the same person), both for genetically-directed and other reasons.

    That heritable phenotypes are modulated by “environmental” factors doesn’t mean, as you and many others seem to imagine, that any environmental factor (or your favorite pet environmental factor) goes. Indeed, the set of factors that matter is quite bounded, as established by the available evidence. In your example, yes, longevity is heritable. And average lifespan has increased. But that increase appears to be overwhelmingly driven by measures that curb deaths from infectious disease (improved sanitation, vaccines, antibiotics). Hoards of other things (even improved safety measures) have factored little to even none of that change.

    In any case, for strength training, it’s not easy as you portray here, and your odds of even seriously bulging ceps (to say nothing of trimming enough fat to make them visible, if necessary) aren’t that big of a guarantee. That said, it might be worthwhile to try for many guys, but if you do, you should keep your expectations realistic.

    (See what I did there? I’m not trying to oppose the utility of strength training for the purposes you intend [getting chicks]; just want to be sure we keep it real about your chances.

    As well, selection effects may mean this crowd may have a higher or lower chance of seeing significant results.)

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 4:31 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      Great comment. The problem with that study is that nobody proposes light weight exercising to be a solution to either muscle building or strength gaining.

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  51. on October 22, 2014 at 8:55 pm Richard Gozinya

    What do you guys think about Crossfit?
    Those fuckers in the Crossfit games look pretty ripped

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    • on October 23, 2014 at 11:46 am Hymen Mingesky

      It is a circuit training course that will set you back the nominal amount of hundreds of dollars a month. For that, you could join a sports performance center, like ces. Or, you could just get a golds gym membership for like 20 bucks

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    • If you find the right gym (good instructors, good programming), it can be awesome. It really depends on what kind of workout you want. And you’re right, the guys who make it to the Games have awesome physiques.

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    • Crossfit is great. Try it out. It requires athleticism strength stamina agility. It is much better than just lifting. Much better.

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    • on October 24, 2014 at 6:03 am Nicolai Zolnir

      Those guys were ripped before they started crossfit. Plus they do their own programs 90 percent of the time, not the WoDs that ordinary members (sorry… “athletes”) are exposed to. For the average Joe, the lack of proper programming will most likely result in stalling, frustration and possibly some sort of injury.

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  52. on October 22, 2014 at 9:29 pm Vagina Dominator

    If you are a newbie, a desk-bound guy, or have poor posture (forward shoulders, head, thoracic or cervical spine),before you start lifting, work out for a couple of months with an old-fashioned chest expander.

    The expander will strengthen your shoulders and back muscles and train your scapula (shoulder blade) to stay in place (depressed position, i.e., down and with the lowest point rotated forward), and will help you to achieve external rotation of the humerus so you don’t end up with fucked up, inward-rotated shoulders like so many guys do. (The old “rotator cuff” problems).

    And you can take it with you if you travel a lot for work. Google “strandpulling” for more info.

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    • I came across one of these at my brother’s place a few weeks ago, I had forgotten all about them. They were everywhere in the 70’s hehe. Had a go at it and you are bang on – great for the real delts, who would have thought!

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  53. […] Optimizing Your Womanizing: Weightlifting […]

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  54. For anyone starting, I would definitely recommend the high weight/low rep compound lifting method, namely a program like starting strength or stronglifts. Your looks won’t pay off immediately, but nothing beats the sheer feeling you get from the T boost of a lifting session (hypertrophy exercises, on the other hand, can leave you feeling drained, which might discourage one from continuing a consistent schedule).

    After you’ve worked your way up to a respectable weight in all major compound categories, you can start with the isolation exercises to target the biceps, chest, shoulders, and abs (you can alternate heavy/isolation days or just mix the two). I have a great program to help you with physique, but I don’t want to be spammy, so email me lol.

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  55. listen guys here is the deal.

    Heavy compounds all the way

    Muscle memory and begginers gains are real, this is how i can add 20 kgs to my max bench in 2 weeks when i return to the gym from a big hiatus. Most guys look noticeably better with just 3-6 months of begginer gains. fuller, harder, larger muscles.

    Begginers can train more frequently and make progress, and should do so with a low volume, heavy weight workout as frequently as recovery will allow. the Body becomes strong and well conditioned as quickly as possible this way. Gradually decreasing frequency and increasing volume as one gains strength and experience is advisable. A high volume workout, with high reps and lots of sets is only useful for building muscle if you can use heavy weights with it, curling 10lb dumbells for 30 reps does NOT build muscle and certainly does not build strength.

    Most guys will find getting to the gym the easiest part, and at the start that may be enough, but where many guys fall down is in underestimating the amont they need to eat, or being physicaly unable to eat the required amount at least initially. As one learns good technique and gains experience, making optimum gains depends more on managing fatigue inside and outside of the gym correctly. Resting appropriately between sets, lifting in the optimum rep range, resting long enough between workouts, managing total accumulated fatigue over longer periods as well as in the short term for certain bodyparts. for instance Someone intending to OHP, Squat and deadlift multiple times in the same week, will find themselves at somepoint having to think carefully about the structure and order of their routine/workouts to manage the inevitable lower back faitgue that ill prevent them hitting the intensity they need to gain for all those excersises.

    some excersise/bodypart specific tips coming soon

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  56. lol.

    While you manly men are spending 2 hours in the gym and Krav Maga classes, this is how PUAs work out:

    Todd sounds like girly effeminate homo and he’s short and skinny with gay body language and tonality..and despite that he’s able to do this sober in the daytime just fucking around before he teaches a bootcamp.

    Are half of these numbers probably going to flake? Sure, it’d be better if he slowed down a bit to make sure he built solid deep comfort/rapport instead of just showing off for the camera. Are a bunch of them friendly/social/asexual closes where he’s going to have to pull some serious escalation in person to turn things into a sexual territory? Sure, it’d be better if he showed more intent from the start and didn’t have to pick up the slack when he gets them out (although one could argue being non-threatening in the daytime can help get the girl and her friends out to party where you can then be more sexual either with her or her friends and get the lay). Either way, there’s no reason he shouldn’t be able to fully close a solid chunk of those numbers.

    Spend 2 months hitting the gym for 2 hours a day, and then spend 2 months doing THIS exercise for 2 hours a day, and let me know which method gets you more pussy lol The way to get better at picking up girls is to PICK UP GIRLS. A lot of this other shit like go climb a mountain and go join MMA and go shave a few more bodyfat % off you and go earn more money, is just guys trying to convince themselves that they don’t have to go approach that turbo hottie at the bar and risk getting rejected…they can do all these OTHER things and increase the chances of that hottie liking them or approaching them. It’s like when you don’t want to write a book report for school so you do a thousand other things book report RELATED to try to stall for time and procrastinate hoping that the book report will just somehow write itself, but it’s not going to happen. You have to sit down with the pen in your hand and start writing…and your first draft might suck and you throw it out, and the second might be a bit better but still not be A+ worthy, so you throw that one out and write it again and again and again until you can consistently write a good book report and ace that shit.

    Now if you want to spend 2 hours in the gym AND spend 2 hours sarging, that’s cool, but that’s 4 hours out of your day and you’re going to be physically and mentally exhausted, especially if you’re also spending 12 hours a day on business shit to get rich. If you can pull all of that off for years, then you’re a badass and good on you for being Superman. But if you’re a normal dude, some of that is gonna’ slip here and there…if you have to budget your time and pick between 2 hours of lifting weights or 2 hours approaching girls, GO APPROACH GIRLS. lol

    When people are skeptical of “oh how could you have multiple girls on the go, or have a regular harem of fuckbuddies, whatever man, you must be exaggerating”, I think a lot of times they don’t realize that they’re probably playing “pickup-lite”. They’re out Fri/Sat night for a couple hours and get a number or two, maybe take a girl home once a month, and that’s what they think PUAs are doing. I used to go out 3-5 nights a week every week, from like 8pm – 2am. It’s NOT difficult to build up a harem quickly, you just have to take action and push your interactions and push for closing them. Not this gay “I got some validation so I’m happy, I don’t want to fuck this up so I’ll just ask for her number or find her in the bar later hopefully” shit that a lot of guys do these days. Back when I was first writing Field Reports EVERY night out was bare MINIMUM 3-5 number closes (lots of flakes of course, but the point is that I was pushing myself to get used to grabbing the number) and at LEAST a makeout. Like that was bare minimum shit for the PUA community back in the old days.

    Right now I’m in full work mode so I’m just relying on fuckbuddies to get me through the winter, and I know my social skills are going to atrophy because of it, but I also know that even if I’m starting from complete scratch 6 months from now, I can just go out and push myself and it’ll take me like a month to get my skills back in shape and less than a month to get a new solid harem of hotties going.

    Part of why a number of guys including CH himself have said that they actually do better when they’re out of shape is because when you’re out of shape you don’t have the subconscious crutch to rely on and you game better with less outcome dependence. On top of that, and this one might just be me I dunno, but I don’t want to be full-body sore when I’m boning a chick or at the bar picking up girls to bone, so if I’m going to have a few girls over to bang that week I’m probably not going to be working out because I don’t want to be feeling all crippled shuffling around when I have to toss them around the bedroom for a few hours lol Right now I’m not having sex as often so I can be sore for most of the week and I’m attempting to get in a bit better shape, but when I have a full harem going and I’m sarging regularly, there’s no point where I’m like “ok I want to be so sore I can barely move for 2 or 3 days”.

    Anyway, take Bob. He worked out for 2 hours today like he does every day, then he hit the mall and bought a $1000 suit. Before leaving he dropped by the BMW dealership and bought himself a nice brand new BMW. He spent an hour on his hair and getting the perfect shave and shining up his shoes and making sure everything looks perfect, made sure to do some pushups before the bar so when he takes off his jacket girls can see his rippling muscles…

    If THAT guy doesn’t get pussy that night, how much of a loser would most people say he is? If he can’t even get laid with all that shit?

    So from the start he’s got outcome dependence because he needs validation (interestingly this is more common in guys who made big changes, so like a rags to riches guy will run into this more than a guy who fluked out and was born rich because the born rich guy is just used to it while the rags to riches guy needs his new life validated).

    Then add in game…Bob doesn’t NEED game. These bitches are gonna’ love his biceps. He’s just gonna’ flex at the bar. Huh…how come that turbo girl isn’t approaching him? Doesn’t she see his muscles? What’s going on? Is he not jacked enough yet? Maybe his suit is the wrong color…why isn’t she looking at him? She keeps talking to that loud obnoxious guy who’s making fun of her. Bob shouldn’t have to go approach her or anything…she should just KNOW how high value he is because of how he looks. You know what it is, this bitch is just stupid probably, she doesn’t understand REAL value, she’s probably some lesbo bar slut anyway. Oh but hey, this average 6 is approaching Bob, SHE’S feeling confident because she’s drunk and knows she has to chase guys to get laid. Wow she’s feeling his biceps and telling him she loves his muscles!! SEE!! Bob knew all that hard work in the gym was going to pay off. Sure, she’s an average girl, but he doesn’t have to mention that in his Field Report, he can just call her “cute” and not mention that the girl he really wanted was the hot turbo in the corner that isn’t paying attention to him.

    And you know what? Bob could totally GET that turbo, but he’s Next’ed her because she doesn’t appreciate value ’cause she’s a dumb bitch. This average girl isn’t that great, especially considering all the work he’s put into his shit, but you know what, since Bob KNOWS he COULD get that turbo girl (even tho he hasn’t yet except that one fluke time with a girl in his social circle, and you know, he’s had a lot of hot bartender chicks tell him he looks sexy so he could probably get those girls too, you know, he just doesn’t WANT to is all), it’s okay to take this average 6 home and fuck her. Because he COULD get that turbo if she wasn’t such a retarded bitch. So he’s going to take this 6 home “for the lulz” tonight and lol about it with his bros and try to laugh it off as a joke…till he’s alone and looking in the mirror listening to a 6 snoring in his bed and thinking “wtf 😦 why does this keep happening??”

    Now take Billy. Billy looks like shit. He’s got a beer gut from partying hard lately, people in his social circle all have cars and drive him around because they like hanging out with him so he doesn’t really see a need for wasting money on a car, he meant to hit the gym this morning but he was busy trying to kick out a girl from last night…he’s supposed to meet up with his buddies at the bar tonight but he forgot to wash his nice shirt and he’s lazy so he forgot to shave and just kind of rolls out of bed and off to the bar.

    Subconsciously he KNOWS he’s going to have to pull out some A++ game, because his looks sure as shit aren’t gonna’ help him lol In fact, Billy finds it funny that he’s even approaching girls, let alone the turbo girl in the bar. It’s hilarious to him to approach her when he looks like shit and his buddies will lol if he tries so he walks over to her, passing by this buff James Bond looking dude leaning against the bar trying to lean in a pose where he knows his muscles look good, and he obnoxiously cuts into her group, already half-laughing to himself as he makes fun of her, not even caring if he gets her or not because if he doesn’t get her then of course he didn’t he looks like shit, and if he gets her then he’s amazing for doing it with such a handicap, so it’s all win/win for him.

    It’s good to take care of your body for your own health (especially past 30 when your body doesn’t recover from hangovers or late nights banging as well and you don’t have the sexual cardio to bone for hours that you had in your 20s, and when you want to look like the cool old Clooney VS a fat slob that reminds her of her dad). And being in shape DOES show good things about you in terms of alpha (it shows you have some self-discipline, self-motivation, etc.)

    But there’s no reason to stress getting uber-jacked. if you go out enough you’ll see the dynamics I’m describing above play out a lot more than social conditioning would have you think. I’ll bet a few guys reading my account of Bob felt their gut churn because they recognized the nights they’ve done exactly what I described lol

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    • eh, just let em go. most of these guys think they are gonna find a girl to “love” them, not really knowing how it all works. but, this is one thing they can do, it IS action and hey, it may get em laid once a year by a gym rat or a bar skank.

      i say if they wanna compete with other men for biggest biceps, then let em, and let a player bang their wives. works for me anyway.

      nothing like sitting around a Starbucks 2 zipcodes away from my house, post-coitus, laughing with a chick about her husbands ridiculousness while he is in the gym trying to “be all he can be” or working to pay her bills cause bitches are ALL Farmer Jane these days.

      shrug.

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    • Exercise your fucking muscles (the actual muscles involved in fucking). You can’t do this at the gym without getting kicked out lol, but you can do this in private in your own room. Missionary? Get in the inclined pushup stance and do yourself 100 thrusts up and down. Girl riding you? Lay on your back on your elbows, and do 100 pelvic thrusts upwards. You get the drift. And don’t forget kegel exercises too. And read Sex God Method or all the effort may be misplaced anyhow.

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      • a boxing training program is probably going to put you in the best CONDITION you can be because it is the only one that works your entire body plus cardio, including things guys ignore like rhythm, agility, improvisation, creativity…

        Most guys on this site probably can’t jump rope for 60 seconds straight yet just that ability would work wonders on them if they adopted it as part of their training.

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    • You still have to look presentable. Many regular guys working 9-5 office jobs can’t keep the pounds off sitting at a desk all day.

      But yes – getting uber jacked and then trying to play good looking guy game while barely approaching isn’t going to cut it.

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    • on October 23, 2014 at 8:22 am Ted Cunterblast

      TL: DR. You should start your own blog.

      Wow. The jealousy of the little dudes here is pretty funny to watch. You must have had a lot of sand kicked in your face as a young guy.

      It makes sense, though, that the PUA used-car salesmen would want young men to spend less time lifting in the gym and more time buying their BS products.

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      • +1, although prepare for the snarknado.

        I’ve always had a sneaking suspicion the Poosy über Alles brigade was an auxiliary wing of the Sunstein cogdis shill army.

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 11:20 am Hymen Mingesky

        Lol @ poosy uber alles. Leave it to a PUA to be overwrought about what amounts to a 3-6 hour time commitment per week.

        Baigawd you could be dsv fck8ing a qwerty hb9er bogey in such a time frame.

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    • on October 23, 2014 at 8:27 am FuriousFerret

      I think a big problem with the perception of looks is that most men think ‘Bill’ is what young hot women want in terms of aesthetics when what most want is ‘Brad The Hipster’.

      Also working out to get a ripped physique doesn’t really help that much if you don’t have a good looking face, you simply look like some laborer. The Misc has basically confirmed this.

      Donald Cerrone is pretty much the peak of what most average guys can achieve from working out, and he’s still not attractive from a visual level to most desirable girls:

      http://www.sherdog.com/image_crop.php?image=http://www1.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20140420060510_1MG_8783.JPG&&width=200&&height=300

      When you dress him in a suit and normal boring expensive trappings, he would just come across as some average drone they have all seen a billion times before and will basically be ultimately pegged as a beta provider.

      Now Beck Hansen would represent the type of guy that hottest girls are going towards because we live in a society of hyper feminization and in it the age of the dandy/rake. Many guys have trouble accepting this and rail against it but it’s true. Turbo hotties want rock stars/artists/writers/trust funders or a guy acting like it.

      Beck Hansen types flash ‘Secret Society’. They signal fun and good times. In terms of aesthetics he has an attractive face to women but not to men, not that he cares what other guys think. Even the video above features a guy playing this role. Todd has a hair style and facial hair outside the beta drones’ standards but still socially acceptable. All black outfit that says I don’t care but I do to the my target audience.

      I can even show you a rising UFC contender Conor Mcgregor that is becoming a mega star due to his persona and he’s using Dandy style. He’s not particularly facially good looking but his vibe neutralizes it:

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      • “Beck Hansen types flash ‘Secret Society’. They signal fun and good times.”

        girls just want to have fun.

        hbs don’t perceive the threats they face as they are now of the political/shadowbanking ponzi/abstract type instead of nature/brutal rape/food shortage physical in your face type.

        when the shtf and the thin veneer of society crumbles things will revert but until then let the good times roll. also midnight vultures is a great album, not that most hbs would know or care.

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 1:55 pm FuriousFerret

        “hbs don’t perceive the threats they face as they are now of the political/shadowbanking ponzi/abstract type instead of nature/brutal rape/food shortage physical in your face type.

        when the shtf and the thin veneer of society crumbles things will revert but until then let the good times roll. also midnight vultures is a great album, not that most hbs would know or care.

        That’s simply a fantasy that unsuccessful men have. While this might eventually come true it might be centuries before it comes due to technology.

        “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” – George Orwell

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    • “there’s no reason he shouldn’t be able to fully close a solid chunk of those numbers.”

      you’re right. there are lots of reasons he won’t. but we won’t see the failures on video as that might negatively effect paid bootcamp attendance.

      “is just guys trying to convince themselves that they don’t have to go approach that turbo hottie at the bar and risk getting rejected”

      true. examining motivation is always valuable and helps us change for the better. getting over the fear of rejection is very important for game and life in general. rejection does not equal death as we no longer live in hunter/gatherer bands.

      “GO APPROACH GIRLS”

      good no bs advice.

      “have a regular harem of fuckbuddies”

      you don’t have a harem.

      harem (n): a group of women who are associated with ONE MAN.

      emperors/despots/warlords have harems. you have fuckbuddies that also fuck other men. nice try though.

      “and this one might just be me I dunno, but I don’t want to be full-body sore when I’m boning a chick”

      not just you. full body sore can negatively effect sexual performance/enjoyment. i’d rather feel good from a good fuck than from a good workout if forced to choose.

      “It’s good to take care of your body for your own health”

      yup. everything you do should be for your benefit. women love a selfish man.

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      • @ferret
        “Turbo hotties want rock stars/artists/writers/trust funders or a guy acting like it.”

        For the turbos, EVERY GUY in her social circle is tall jacked and rich. Because she’s a turbo so those are her circles. Why does she go for the scrawny weird artsy guy? Because he’s different and usually passionate about something interesting to him and she likes that his ugly face has “character” etc. because she’s so surrounded by the same dudes all the time that their value neutralizes eachother. If you show me you have a million dollars I’ll be impressed because I’m poor. If you show a group of millionaires they’ll think cool, so what else you got? because that’s nothing they haven’t seen a thousand times before.

        There’s a reason Russell brand was getting laid like crazy before he was famous and it’s not because he’s jacked with a 10/10 handsome face lol

        @dan
        “emperors/despots/warlords have harems. you have fuckbuddies that also fuck other men. nice try though.”

        Depends on the girls involved at the time. See the stuff in my archive about one-sided oLTRs/FBs (you fuck around but she doesn’t either by choice or by not being allowed to by you). I prefer the looser version because I have other shit to worry about and generally don’t really care if they boyfriend up for a while if that’s what they’re looking for (if I haven’t heard from them in a while so I can assume they’ve been fucking around I just have them get tested before we hook up again).

        But I’ve run the one-sided stuff before. It’s just understanding psychology. If I was going to long-term settle with a girl I would probably run it one-sided but because I’m not looking for anything serious right now fully open is fine (and because of Hypergamy I generally only have to contend with an ex-boyfriend or something insignificant VS them sucking a volley of new dicks every weekend). There are downsides to the one-sided forbidden rule style relationships that I talk about in my archives.

        “I’d rather feel good from a good fuck than from a good workout if forced to choose.”

        Agreed lol

        @ted
        “It makes sense, though, that the PUA used-car salesmen would want young men to spend less time lifting in the gym and more time buying their BS products.”

        I don’t sell anything and I link to free material. I’ll be happy to link to your content when you contribute something useful.

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 1:00 pm Just Went Rogue

        [CH: you wouldn’t by any chance be an exile from puahate.com would you?]

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 1:45 pm Just Went Rogue

        Nope, just a guy with experience and a good head on his shoulders.

        [CH: i don’t believe you. your sly trolling reeks of game denialism.]

        Thanks for censoring the links though, sheds new light on the motives of this blog.

        [your links shed light on your state of mind.]

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    • @yareally

      “When people are skeptical of “oh how could you have multiple girls on the go, or have a regular harem of fuckbuddies, whatever man, you must be exaggerating”, I think a lot of times they don’t realize that they’re probably playing “pickup-lite”. They’re out Fri/Sat night for a couple hours and get a number or two, maybe take a girl home once a month, and that’s what they think PUAs are doing. I used to go out 3-5 nights a week every week, from like 8pm – 2am. It’s NOT difficult to build up a harem quickly, you just have to take action and push your interactions and push for closing them. ”

      You don’t even have to go out anywhere near that much to get a harem of FBs. If you hook up with a few new girls a month at least a couple of those are going to want to see you regularly. Keep doing that for a few months and soon you have 10 girls wanting to see you once a week and you have no time to game new girls anymore. Lately I’ve been telling new girls I’m leaving town and kicking girls out of my rotation because banging all these girls once a week started to feel like a job and I had no time to do anything else.

      Guys packed into gyms are confusing as fuck to me, I mean does anyone here actually know a ripped guy who gets a lot of cute girls? Seems to me like girls are socially conditioned to say muscly guys are “hot”, because feminists have told them to talk like men and that’s what guys say about girls with good bodies, but if you actually ask a cute girl if she’s every hooked up with a muscled up guy 90% of the time she’ll say no, those guys are dumb / full of themselves, but what they really mean is they have no game and are low social class Jersey shore wannabes. Game (intelligence, especially social intelligence and emotional IQ) and social class are extremely important to high SMV women

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      • @kant
        “You don’t even have to go out anywhere near that much to get a harem of FBs. If you hook up with a few new girls a month at least a couple of those are going to want to see you regularly. Keep doing that for a few months and soon you have 10 girls wanting to see you once a week and you have no time to game new girls anymore.”

        Ya, my example was just the extreme end. A guy who’s just doing what Todd is doing, even 2 nights a week, is going to be swimming in pussy. But most guys aren’t attempting 20 number closes in a night. They’re going for one, maybe two max, having a bunch of mild interactions, probably “Next”ing a girl who didn’t respond to their text to save their butthurt ego instead of pushing it, prematurely ejecting from sets after getting their validation fix or bailing on sets that aren’t going perfect instead of practicing turning them around, etc.

        Or they push hard one night and then don’t push that hard again for 3 or 4 weeks.

        If you’re going out every night for a year and still not able to pull regularly, it’s not that you suck or that you’re inferior, it’s just that you’re either not pushing the interactions enough like Todd is in that video or you’re not approaching it smart and learning with each set and actively applying that to the next sets (moar field reports, more analysis, more in-field goals!)

        “Lately I’ve been telling new girls I’m leaving town and kicking girls out of my rotation because banging all these girls once a week started to feel like a job and I had no time to do anything else.”

        lol ya. These days I’m happy with just a few on the go. I already did the huge numbers thing and it was fun at the time but would be annoying to maintain and deal with drama (“why won’t you see me, I bet you have one of your sluts coming over!!”) right now when I’m trying to focus on other stuff.

        My natural buddy and I do a phone cleanse every year where we kill all our numbers with no warning to the girls (he deletes his but I just put Zs in front of mine so they’re on the bottom of my list so I know who’s txting me if they text one day). Whichever girls text us after that get to come back into the fold but it basically makes it so we can’t chase anything that hasn’t panned out by that point and weeds out any fuckbuddies who are trying to get us to chase them, and it frees up spots for new girls.

        We also have a rule of not hooking up with girls we’ve already met (whether we’ve banged them or just gotten a number and are trying to bang them) on certain event weekends like Halloween so we have to go find new girls instead of resorting to falling back on already done deal. This stuff is good for building an abundance mentality. I can pretty much guarantee Todd didn’t even bother texting half of those numbers he got because he’s probably not even in that city for more than a couple days, or he probably just shot a mass “hey meet me at club X” to them all at once with no real fucks given because he’ll be out picking up new girls on bootcamp and in the next city.

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      • IMHO ‘no X is dumb/full of themself’ is female code for ‘hes too high value for me,’ without exception. whether it’s good looks, muscles, game, etc. it always means the same thing.

        what I hear MORE often about good looking/ripped/etc. guys is actually that they’re ‘really nice,’ or that ‘something just didn’t click.’

        going to the gym and doing game at the same time is really awesome. a) when you know what you’re doing, you only need to be in the gym for like 30-40 minutes maximum, b) you feel great after working out, so it’s easy to get into ‘let’s hit on chicks’ mindset, but most important is c)….when you remake yourself, you realize how much guys truly suck at conversing with women.

        it’s VERY EASY to become good-looking enough to where most women will give you a ‘fucking’ chance. from there, you just have to know how to talk to and act toward them.

        going to the gym is great because it allows you to become a scientist. you are making yourself more equivalent in looks to a or b. then you watch a or b interact with chicks. now you interact with chicks. a or b has no game. you have game. split the diff in results, and now you’re seeing everything in action and proving it to yourself.

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      • @yareally

        ““Next”ing a girl who didn’t respond to their text to save their butthurt ego instead of pushing it, prematurely ejecting from sets after getting their validation fix or bailing on sets that aren’t going perfect instead of practicing turning them around, etc.”

        Yeah it helps to know that even if you fuck it up you can always try again later. There was one college girl from Tinder I matched with months ago, had the meet set up then totally fucked up a shit test and she flaked. I matched with her again last night at like 10pm, she didn’t remember me (different pictures and using my middle name now). Pushed to meet up RIGHT NOW because it said 1 mile away, met her, pulled her and was fucking her within the hour. She sent her number but I told her I couldn’t text her cause I’m only on data, haha I didn’t want the conversation thread from a few months ago to pop up if I texted her and she has an iphone

        “If you’re going out every night for a year and still not able to pull regularly, it’s not that you suck or that you’re inferior, it’s just that you’re either not pushing the interactions enough like Todd is in that video or you’re not approaching it smart and learning with each set and actively applying that to the next sets (moar field reports, more analysis, more in-field goals!)”

        I think the biggest problem is that most guys just don’t go for the kill very often. If you try to isolate and fuck every cute girl you talk to then eventually you get really good at isolating and fucking every cute girl you talk to. I see all these field reports in forums of guys complaining “why aren’t these girls having sex with me?” but nowhere in the field report does the dude actually try to fuck those girls.

        I’m personally not that good at telling DHV stories or push-pulling or cocky-funny or cold reading or spiking BT or befriending the cockblock or merging sets or disarming the AMOG, I don’t practice that social skills stuff that often, but I get laid all the time because that’s what I focus on lol. Meet, isolate and escalate to sex, everything else is gravy

        Then once you get good at that you can start to focus on retaining them for LTRs if that is your goal

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      • @Scary
        “IMHO ‘no X is dumb/full of themself’ is female code for ‘hes too high value for me,’ without exception. whether it’s good looks, muscles, game, etc. it always means the same thing.”

        One thing to keep in mind is that your looks can affect the style of game you should be running. The higher status you are externally/passively (ie – a girl can look at you and go that dude is super handsome or rich etc.), the more “boring” your game tends to have to be.

        A guy who looks like Tyler can be a complete dickhead because visually he’s low-value so girls are intrigued that he’s so cocky and full of himself and an asshole. So Tyler saying arrogant cocky shit and talking about fucking a bunch of other girls etc. works for him because girls initially view themselves as way higher-value than him, like they think “I could easily have this guy if I wanted him”.

        But a guy who’s super good-looking often already has girls on the edge of disqualifying themselves from deserving him…so a really good-looking guy who says arrogant cocky shit and who talks about fucking a bunch of other girls is going to get categorized as a cocky player (not the good kind) because it’s just kind of overkill. That guy needs to actually go the opposite route and calibrate DOWN his value to the girl, which often means just having a normal conversation with her and not fucking shit up.

        This is actually a really old PUA concept from the Mystery days, because the heavy peacocking guys were doing back then would sometimes cause average girls to be more on their guard and ready to disqualify them the same way Scray is describing (“he’s dressed like this so he must be some crazy rockstar or something and must be too high value for me so I’m going to find flaws with him so I can reject him first”) and they would have to turn off the cocky/funny negging game and instead calibrate down to the girl’s level and just be a normal cool guy so that she could picture herself having a chance with him…otherwise she would blow herself out and leave.

        So you can either lower your own value (self-depreciating humor etc.) or raise her value (qualify her with easy qualifiers or compliment shit about her with sincere reasons for it (not “those are cool earrings” but “those are cool earrings they remind me of (something deep and personal)”)).

        A big part of why the super obnoxious cocky game I run works is because of my beer gut. If I had 6-pack abs and a chisled jaw and was wearing an Armani suit, I would have to tone my game down a lot and for me, personally, that’s boring lol I like the back and forth verbal sparring and shit, that’s the fun stuff for me in pickup…so if I wasn’t able to use that anymore, I don’t think I’d enjoy sarging as much.

        You can see this play out for yourself by befriending a bunch of good-looking dudes and watching them game and having them try shit out and making them cold-approach and introducing girls to them randomly. then observing You’ll find a lot of the good-looking dudes who get laid a lot are actually running pretty boring game and the good-looking dudes who aren’t are usually either not confident enough or a little too “cocky” in terms of the game style they’re running, for their looks.

        Working out WHILE also learning pickup helps you calibrate as you go because you’re kind of always calibrating your game over time and the progression is natural. It’s usually when a good looking guy suddenly decides to learn game, or when an ugly guy with game suddenly becomes good looking (or rich or whatever) that the miscalibration happens.

        Two important takeaways from this are:

        1) A lot of good-looking guys who get attention literally just have to NOT FUCK UP to get laid…and yet, a lot of them can’t even fucking do THAT lol Like how all a girl has to do to stay hot is not eat shitty food every day and yet some chick is purposely going to the donut shop fattening herself up. It’s like “you had ONE job” lol That’s an indication of how bad most guys’ game is…like they can’t even figure out how to take food off the silver platter in front of them. Seeing this countless times in-field is a big part of why I don’t care about other dudes hitting on my girls, even good-looking dudes. I KNOW that guy is probably going to fuck it up by either being too beta/needy/lame/asexual, or by being too cocky and full of himself (and often NEXT’ing the girl when she won’t play along right away to preserve his self-image). Like go ahead and hit on my girl, it’s fine, you aren’t going to get anywhere with her lol

        2) It’s all relative to the girl’s value primarily. So if you’re a good-looking dude hitting on like, 6-8s (if the 6 isn’t already assuming you’re just tooling her in the first place lol), you’d want to go super nice-guy with your game and basically turn it all off and just stick to building comfort/rapport and building her value (qualify her with easy shit she can pass so you can be like “oh you like cooking that’s awesome that’s rare these days” so she can feel like there’s justification for such a good-looking dude being into her). Being too cocky/obnoxious/forward etc. with these girls is often going to scare them off.

        But if you’re a good-looking dude who also wants to run “cocky & funny” game, then you should be hitting on the 9s and 10s because they’re the ones who are more likely to feel high-value enough to categorize that as confidence instead of arrogance. Quit “slumming it” with the 6s just because you get to run easy mode game.

        As an average/ugly guy however, you can hit on anything and basically just ramp up the cocky/obnoxious shit depending on the girl’s value. So a good-looking guy will more often have to calibrate down as well as up, but an average dude is generally only going to be calibrating up (for a 6 you be a bit cocky, for a 9 or 10 you be over the top cocky and obnoxious and offensive).

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      • “@Scary” lol I knew I was going to fuck that up one day.

        @kant
        “I think the biggest problem is that most guys just don’t go for the kill very often. If you try to isolate and fuck every cute girl you talk to then eventually you get really good at isolating and fucking every cute girl you talk to. I see all these field reports in forums of guys complaining “why aren’t these girls having sex with me?” but nowhere in the field report does the dude actually try to fuck those girls. ”

        This is important. I know fucking **PUAs** who don’t pull the trigger, it blows my mind. Like guys who are putting in way more effort than most guys but who just choke and won’t push things forward and keep waiting for the neon flashing green “GO!!!” sign above the girl’s head. It’s the most frustrating thing in the universe to watch.

        I know normal social outgoing guys who are out at the bars every single weekend WANTING to get laid or to get a girlfriend, who could be pulling every weekend (I’m seeing girls giving them iois left and right, they have large social circles that have hot girls that are into them in them, they know club staff or have some other attribute where girls see them as high-value, etc.), who haven’t been laid in months or a year because they don’t pull the trigger because they keep waiting for a 100% green light that won’t risk any chance of rejection or fucking the set up or they need so much reassurance that they want the GIRL to be the one to suggest going to her place or to jump on their dick etc….and often when they DO get laid it’s by some super cocky fat 4 that none of us would go near let alone stick our dick in, because that fat 4 was aggressive and led the interaction to sex.

        It literally makes my stomach churn to watch a buddy get attention from 8s all night who want to bone him but he goes home with a 4 because he wouldn’t pull the trigger on the 8s. It’s literally physically painful to watch lol

        The best Natural I know is a guy who just jumps through every open window the girls give him. He catches the most subtle iois and escalates on them. He’s not even running great technical game, he’s just not missing all the signs that other guys are talking themselves out of or oblivious to.

        This all comes down to guys not giving themselves enough credit (society socially conditions us to feel shameful for being confident and tries to get us to be retardedly humble and insecure), and giving everyone else WAY too much credit (that girl is “perfect”, that guy talking to her is “way cooler than me”, etc.). It’s really sad to see, in terms of men’s mental health and self-worth in society today.

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      • @yareally

        “The best Natural I know is a guy who just jumps through every open window the girls give him. He catches the most subtle iois and escalates on them. He’s not even running great technical game, he’s just not missing all the signs that other guys are talking themselves out of or oblivious to.”

        Yeah, I think we need to stop teaching guys about “IOI”s. A lot of shy and high value girls give little or no obvious IOIs at all. Some will even act like they hate you, but will fuck you anyway if you actually try to escalate

        Just try to isolate, if she goes for it she’s open to being seduced. Then all you have to do is escalate to sex. Not every girl is going to play with her hair, smile and give you DDB eyes

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      • on October 24, 2014 at 8:14 am having a bad day

        @YaReally

        “This is important. I know fucking **PUAs** who don’t pull the trigger, it blows my mind. Like guys who are putting in way more effort than most guys but who just choke and won’t push things forward and keep waiting for the neon flashing green “GO!!!” sign above the girl’s head. It’s the most frustrating thing in the universe to watch.”

        this is the point of no return…lol…either rejection or success…gotta touch her to escalate, but then you’re all in…lol…

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      • @Yareally wrote “As an average/ugly guy however, you can hit on anything and basically just ramp up the cocky/obnoxious shit depending on the girl’s value. So a good-looking guy will more often have to calibrate down as well as up, but an average dude is generally only going to be calibrating up (for a 6 you be a bit cocky, for a 9 or 10 you be over the top cocky and obnoxious and offensive)

        This gets back to my thinking around contrast as a key element of game, be curious if you and others have any views on this.

        Since I am incredibly lazy, I am always looking for models, short cuts etc. to latch onto and use to put things into practice. Like Alpha = action is one. Basically if it involves some kind of action more often than not it is going to be perceived as Alpha, whereas inaction is going to be Beta. Broad strokes but think of examples escalating = alpha, not escalating = beta, approach = alpha, not approaching = beta etc. Ties into my thinking that what women seek out are dynamic, passionate and authentic men. Most of good game can be wrapped up in that description.

        So contrast appears to be another quick and easy thing to latch onto. I’ve done some testing, and like my thinking that Action = Alpha, Contrast often = Alpha as well (with Alpha as short hand for attractive to women).

        Some examples – the average guy is running “good polite” game, you run “OMG I can’t believe you said that” game, the average guy is running “frat boy what’s up” game, you run “mysterious deep thinker” game, Average guy is dressed down, you dress up, average guy is dressed up, you dress down, average guy is “poor” you go rich, average guy is rich, you go poor, average guy is athletic jock, you go artistic. etc.

        You can even contrast yourself, so you “look” a certain way but speak and act another, like one go to is look like a choir boy be be devilishly mischievous, lot’s of innuendo, kino etc. I think part of it is the way you often force qualification and disqualification, for you and her simultaneously, via contrast.

        Now over time you play to your strengths of course and look to play on a field you have tilted in your favor, but when in doubt, it seems you can’t go to wrong with contrast. women love the mystery after all, and the emotional up and down. I often get “who are you?” and wide eyes of wonder.

        Thoughts?

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    • @yareally lol.

      Even if your aim is to pick up women, then there’s such a concept known as crosstraining. Your direct training would be what you see in the video above. Your cross training would be to work on your appearance, your inner game, etc.

      But either way, I strongly suggest that you don’t pick up lifting if you want to impress the ladies. That should be a byproduct, not the purpose. Some guys here could use a hobby or a project, namely one that betters them in many ways.

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    • YaReally, Kant, Walawala, and many others:

      The more I read your posts, the more I realize it’s a change of mind you’re talking about. How has your mind set / attitude towards your self and others developed? Obviously it’s gotten better, but how and when did you realize your value wasn’t dependent externally, for example. Was it a gradual improvement with twists and turns, or suddenly hit you at one point and that was it?

      I find my mind set has varied more wildly as I’m pushing my self to improve. Before game, I blamed it on external factors (height, lack of muscles, not cool enough, etc.) and my outlook was more level. After starting to learn game, I tend to blame myself more when something goes wrong.

      Logically after reading what you all have written (and yes, going out and seeing men exactly like me succeed), I know my value isn’t defined by external factors like money, build, height, etc. But subconsciously, it still hasn’t sunk in yet. I still catch my self thinking I need to put on more muscle, or live without a roommate, be highly extroverted, etc. to be more successful. How the hell do you get rid of those mental blocks?

      Thanks everyone.

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      • @R1J2

        Definitely a gradual improvement. Some days you’ll feel like an alpha badass, somedays you’ll be back to old shitty habits. It is 100% mindset though

        One thing that helped me a lot is trying to ‘play the part’, like if you want to be just like Don Draper walk around for a day method acting the part of Don Draper. Talk like him and walk like him, think like him, react like he would to your environment. You’ll notice people treating you differently and it’ll help you realize that who you are is a product of your projections and implications, once your brain understands this it gets easier going forward for you to turn yourself into the version of yourself you want to be.

        Human beings are incredibly adaptable

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 4:33 pm having a bad day

        @r1j2

        speaking for myself (a former blue pill, beta bux, feminism supporting mangina…lol), my attitude changed bc i was staring down both barrels of a really nasty divorce…lol…i could see the handwriting on the wall and it was some really ominous shit…lol…i knew that if nothing changed, things were going to explode on me (and not in a good way…lol) and i was going to lose my kids and my stuff (not to mention my every other month sex…lol)…so i looked to the answer for all things…Google…lol…

        i found this place and (early) MMSL and Rational Male…and other sites, but those were the big 3…lol…i didn’t have anything to lose by ‘adopting’ game…and EVERYTHING to lose if i didn’t at least try it…so i went all in…and it was close…a couple more months and i couldn’t have turned it around…

        but, i’m aspergery enough to HAVE to test things out (even facing my dire situ…lol) so i did…i digested the red pill ‘intellectually’ but i didn’t actually accept it until i would make 2 predictions of action/outcome in any given situ…the blue pill action/outcome and the red pill action/outcome…then started testing…

        and what happened was that EVERY interaction resolved itself in line with red pill predictions…and when i had enough data points, i’m aspy enough to just flip to a new reality…lol…

        Mr Spock has the answer for you…lol…

        Melkotian illusion = feminine imperative = blue pill

        reality = masculine truth = red pill/game

        also…bullets = shit tests

        …lol…

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      • you’re starting to form your own perceptions of how you want to live your life. so like, I might think ‘holy shit, I gotta get my diet on track to keep my six-pack abs,’ but it’s not because ‘oh shit I need six-pack abs to attract women.’ It’s because ‘this is what I do, this is what I expect of myself.’

        Here’s a better example. I assume you don’t go out and murder people every day. why is that? is it because you think some girl won’t like you if you murder someone? fuck no. it’s (hopefully) because one day you said to yourself ‘self, we just don’t murder people. that’s not what we do. not how we want to roll in life.’

        that’s why you can be a “nice guy” and still get mad pussy. it’s all about why you’re a nice guy. if you’re just nice because you think your value hinges on being nice, then you’re beta. if you’re nice because that’s your reality and fuck everyone else, you’re alpha.

        what repels chicks is when you try to PING OFF OF THEM to determine your actions. chicks want to PING OFF OF YOU.

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      • @R1J2
        Slow & steady. A lot of guys get into game thinking a few months or a year of going out is going to fix everything. When I got into game in the old days we all just understood that this was going to be a years-long thing, probably a lifetime commitment and success and progress was going to come in little bits and pieces here and there that you collect through all your nights out succeeding and failing.

        That’s why you can’t learn this from your computer chair just reading shit and watching videos…you have to go out in-field and push shit and experience it all first-hand to rewire your brain otherwise you will ALWAYS have a little skeptic in the back of your head telling you “ya but what IF…”

        The way to break limiting beliefs is to actively break them. If you think your clothes matter, go out and do mass cold approaches for a few months wearing shitty clothes. If you think your age matters, go out and do mass cold approaches while telling girls your age in the first 30 seconds of the interaction for a few months. If you think your muscles matter, get fat or cover it all up in baggy clothes and go out and do mass cold approaches for a few months. If you think your looks matter, go out when you have an acne breakout and do mass cold approaches for a few months. If you think not living alone matters, go out and do mass cold approaches while telling girls you have a roommate and try to bring them back to your apartment. If you think your job matters, go out and do mass cold approaches and tell girls you work at McDonald’s and you’re poor. If you think you have to be cool to get a girl, go mass cold approach girls doing the most ridiculous shit you can think of, twirl around and shout nonsense and then open. If you think your opener matters, go mass cold approach girls either saying the worst openers you can think of or saying complete nonsense or just open them without talking and don’t speak until they speak.

        Do those things for months until you start successfully pulling while doing them, and, if you do it long enough until you’re regularly successful enough despite handicapping yourself, then those limiting beliefs will be broken. It’s simple logic. Once your brain has enough reference experiences that something isn’t true, it goes “ok cool, you win.”

        The problem is most guys don’t want to go through that pain period. They don’t want to actively handicap themselves or sabotage themselves because then what if it takes longer to learn game, and what if they lose a potential lay that they would’ve gotten if they hadn’t handicapped themselves, and what if they aren’t constantly validated by every set how can they feel good about themselves if some girls think they’re lame?? lol

        So guys either won’t do any of this stuff, and will always have that voice in the back of their head fucking with them…or they’ll go out and half-ass it and try it a few times over a few months and then conclude it doesn’t work and end up ENHANCING and solidifying their limiting belief because they didn’t do mass approaches and slowly see the turnaround as they start letting go to where they go from most girls being unreceptive to whatever it is, to most girls being receptive or not caring about it.

        You’re not going to break something like “a guy has to have money to get girls” with 4 cold approaches testing it out over a few months. You’re going to break it when you’re doing 20-30 cold approaches a night, 60+ a week, every week for months and handicapping yourself on the money thing in every single set until you start getting success. It could take months or years to break some limiting beliefs depending on how entrenched they are and how much society perpetuates them.

        This isn’t an easy thing to do. There are lightswitch flipping moments where you’re like “oh wow, that really opened my eyes”. But if you have a lot of limiting beliefs, you have a lot of work ahead of you if you want to really get rid of them. You can learn to work around them and let them stay, but it’s always going to eat away at you in the back of your mind.

        And you CAN NOT do this from your computer chair. Your brain needs real-world experience.

        Hitting bottom helps too. A lot of guys these days find the communit easily (PUA/Manosphere/Red Pill/whatever) because it’s mainstream now. But in the old days it was so underground that the only way you would even know it existed was because you hit bottom so hard and were so desperate to change your life that you typed in “how do I get a girlfriend?” and started digging to find the community. So a lot of guys who entered the community back then had motivation to take it seriously and work at it because they were at rock bottom. We were coming to the community going “I will try fucking ANYTHING, because anything is a step up from where I am right now” so we had to step outside our comfort zones from day one.

        If you’re not at rock bottom, if pickup is just a silly little fun hobby to dabble in now and then, you’re not going to get really good at it and you’re probably going to have a lot of limiting beliefs haunt you. You’re not gonna’ play like Jimi Hendrix by plucking away on a guitar for a couple songs once a week…and if you haven’t hit the point where life has forced you to take it seriously, and you can’t figure out how to self-motivate yourself, it’s going to be harder to push through the pain periods and force yourself outside of your comfort zone.

        Growth comes when we step outside of our comfort zone and challenge ourselves and our beliefs regularly. That’s why guys who don’t “pull the trigger” can spend years going out and getting bare minimum results, because they’re staying in their comfort zone where it’s safe and they don’t grow. That’s why guys who focus on making money instead of approaching girls and actively telling girls they’re poor will never be able to let go of the money crutch, because they’re staying in their comfort zone where it’s safe and they don’t grow.

        Julien talks about this stuff at 4:10 into this vid:

        “I still catch my self thinking I need to put on more muscle, or live without a roommate, be highly extroverted, etc. to be more successful. How the hell do you get rid of those mental blocks?”

        Everything I described above. But I also like how Julien puts it too. He says basically: “Okay, let’s say you’re right. Looks DO matter. You DO need to be jacked to get girls. You DO need to have your own condo. You DO need to be an extrovert. If you don’t have those things, you aren’t getting laid. You also have to be a foot taller, and you have to not be balding. There, you win, you’re right, if you don’t have any of that you are NEVER going to get laid and if you do it’s only going to be with ugly disgusting fat chicks.

        Now what? You won the debate. You’re right. So what are you going to do now? Are you going to just go “okay, well I guess I just won’t have sex the rest of my life. I guess I’ll just die alone. I guess I’ll just fuck ugly fat girls the rest of my life, that’s all I’m going to get out of life so oh well I’ll just lay down and die”? No? Then quit fucking thinking about that shit. It doesn’t help you. If a train of thought isn’t helping you, cut it out and replace it with one that does.”

        That’s the “man up you pussy” approach, some guys respond well to that lol Personally I respond more to the logical/formulaic stuff I wrote above. But whatever works for you. The key either way is to go out and show your brain that it’s full of shit with enough examples that it can’t argue anymore. Once you pass that tipping point that nagging doubt goes away. It’s literally not even a thought in my head that I would need to have my own apartment to pull girls to. I have so much reference experience of pulling girls to places where I’ve had a roommate (or banging them on a buddy’s futon, or banging them in public or at their apartment, etc.) that it’s never a thought that would even enter my mind.

        But I didn’t start OUT that way. I was just like anyone else, massively riddled with limiting beliefs that I had to work on over the years. We were ALL that way. Lots of us still are. Some of us that don’t have your specific personal limiting beliefs have our OWN specific personal limiting beliefs. You’re normal, this is a common thing, and you can fix it just like anyone else can.

        Field is king. Go out this weekend and ACTIVELY confront your limiting beliefs. It’s okay to fuck up, it’s okay to fail, it’s fine lol Embrace the fear and let go of all this shit that’s holding you back. It’s all right there in front of you.

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      • @having a bad (good) day: lol, thanks for sharing your story. Indeed, no one writes dialogue like that anymore, except Mr Spock.

        @scray: thanks for your response as well, buddy. Your FR’s are awesome to read through and uplifting.

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    • Stopped reading after “lol”… you fairy.

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    • @Ya

      If you are interested in getting in shape, no need to spend hours in a gym. First the fork is the best piece of workout equipment. watch your diet. eat right.

      Start out with sets of pushups, roll out of bed in the morning and bang out 4 quick sets (25-50 reps whatever you can do to almost failure per set), with 30 seconds between sets. Buy a couple of 20-30 LB dumbbells and bust out 4 quick sets of 10-12 reps of curls and military presses (one set is a rep of curls, then straight to a rep of presses) again with sub 1 minute break between sets. Then some crunches and leg lifts. You can be done, in your room in 30 minutes, then hit the shower and go about your day.

      Do this 4 days a week. You will feel results in 1 week, see results in 2 weeks and if you watch your diet show significant musculature and definition in 3 months.

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 5:13 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      A bunch of limiting beliefs there. If you workout, you will be sore only when you will begin. After a few months of working out, you will rarely be that sore. And working out raises your overall energy levels, so you won’t feel less tired when you sarge. And the third one is that it takes 2 hours a day. You can get a decent workout in 40-60 minutes if you go at it properly. If you actually lift for 2 hours a day, 5 days a week, you are most likely overtraining. lol

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  57. off topic, but can you cover the hilarity surrounding the renee zellweger photo debacle?

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  58. It is true that a man’s looks matter to women LESS than a woman’s looks matter to a man, BUT THEY STILL M ATTER AN AWFUL FUCKING LOT.
    Sure, if you’re a multi-millionaire movie producer (Carlo Ponti), you can land super-extra hotties 30 years your junior (Sophia Loren), regardless of how short, fat, bald, fug, old or otherwise nasty & disgusting you are.
    But in the non-rich, non-celebrity real world (you do know what that is, dontcha?), apply the very, VERY true maxim of not listening to what they say, but rather watching whom they do. Which, in the hugely overwhelming majority of cases, are tall, young pretty boys.

    If there is a king of exercises, it is running. The human body is built for it, nothing burns calories faster or more effectively, and by far the no. 1 thing standing between anyone (male or female) and a good body is fat. Weightlifting burns very few calories.
    How big your muscles can get is largely determined by your genes, any pump beyond that will have to be done with steroids. Do yourself a HUGE favor and research the negative side effects before even thinking about those. Impotence is no fun, and kidney- or liver failure are extremely ugly ways to go. Think Ebola in slo-mo.
    Some level of strength training is good, 2-4 times a week, alternating muscle groups, because rest is equally important. Get some GOOD books and/or have a god PT show you proper form, the risk of injury is fairly high, especially with things like squats or deadlifts, and even something as simple as a pulled back muscle can put you out of commission for a week or more.
    You can also combine aerobic exercise with strength training, cross-country skiing (which can also be done without snow) or chopping lots of wood fast – like a lumberjack would – are excellent ways of doing just that.

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    • Anyone doing steroids would be smarter to just tap dance on a landmine.

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    • Says the guy with a profile pic of his “super hot jaw-line and lined up fresh hair cut”

      Your prof pic says a lot about your delusional mentality

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 2:51 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      Since my genetics determine how muscular I am, are you trying to say I’m experiencing some optical illusion a couple of months after working out or a couple of months after I stop working out?

      And running is retarded as an exercise in the sense it is an inefficient way to achieve any result except getting better at running.

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      • on October 26, 2014 at 2:53 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Sorry, I misread a sentence in your post, so I take back the first paragraph of my comment. I still keep my stance that running as an exercise is inefficient at delivering results no matter what your goal is, except being a better runner.

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  59. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167811613000918

    Naturally designed for masculinity vs. femininity? Prenatal testosterone predicts male consumers’ choices of gender-imaged products

    Abstract
    In this paper, we find that a proxy of prenatal testosterone exposure (i.e., digit ratio) is a significant predictor of preferences for products that differ in perceived masculinity vs. femininity. A more masculine (feminine) digit ratio predicts choice of products that have an increasingly masculine (feminine) image. This relationship is statistically significant for male consumers, but not for females.

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  60. Read “The Iron” by Henry Rollins. Great inspiration for lifting, especially if you are getting bored with it.

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  61. OT: you lift and get strong and then with NO GAME it ends up like this

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 2:41 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      By how many dicks does a girl have to get throatfucked to have soulless eyes like her? lol.

      It’s hilarious because so many guys actually are like this. If you feel insecure about your game, make a fake girl profile on tinder, use some fake GPS app and you will be surprised by the barrage of bore you’ll get. While some of these are hyperbolic of the attention they get, some are really close to how guys actually talk to girls. If you want to have more confidence, realize how pathetic your competition is.

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      • By how many dicks does a girl have to get throatfucked to have soulless eyes like her? lol.

        Former porno actress, raised by divorced mom. ’nuff said.

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    • stealing the “tapes and CD’s” line. outstanding.

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  62. There’s a lot of posts about spending “two hours in the gym”. Why? Pick 10-12 exercises, divide them into two workouts that cover pretty much the whole body for each, do one slow set of each exercise to actual failure (not just until it gets a little tough, until you cannot move the weight anymore), then push against failure for a few seconds, control the weight in both directions, use enough weight for failure to happen between 5 and 12 reps. Hit the upper rep range, increase the weight. Two workouts per week, tops. It is not easy at all, but you have time for life. Free weights, machines, body weight, it doesn’t really matter.

    Workout A

    Shoulder Press, Leg press, row, dip, barbell curl, shrug.

    Workout B

    Chest Press, Pulldown or chinup, dumbell lateral, squat or deadlift, calf raise.

    I spend at most a total of 50 minutes per week in the gym, and that includes warmups. The results have been excellent. I’m making gains at 47, and my diet is a near disaster. I don’t know if it makes a difference with women, but it does give them an easy way to indicate interest. My arms get molested a good bit. There’s also some value to the confidence in being the oldest guy in a group at the pool, beach, or lake, and feeling pretty good about taking off your shirt.

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    • There’s also some value to the confidence in being the oldest guy in a group at the pool, beach, or lake, and feeling pretty good about taking off your shirt.

      Yup… few moments are more satisfying than showin’ up the South Parkers 20+ years one’s junior… and hearing their girlfriends say “wow” or sounds the equivalent thereof out loud.

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      • Heh… when I was 20, I was considerably weaker than my age peers. Now, I’m considerably stronger. I always find that amusing.

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      • If we only knew then what we know now, eh? 😉

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      • on October 23, 2014 at 9:57 am The Spirit Within

        Nothing but a column of recent Greg Eliot comments on the right side of this blog…

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      • One does tend to comment to multiple posts during a given time session at the chateau… your point?

        Or did you just want to accuse me of beings a deadbeat freeloader, and remind everyone about my rent-free living in yo’ haid?

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  63. or penguins, or pandas, or zebras…

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  64. if GABA is legal where you are, buy it and use it before sleep and post work out.

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  65. Couple points I would add:

    1. POSTURE is more important than muscles. There are exercises that improve posture – for some, doing 100 deep knee-bends and trying to keep your back straight will help. Posture helps body language of course – good posture naturally will flow into presenting yourself better.

    2. Studies show that the difference between girls and guys is that girls’ ideal is about 30lbs less than what guys think is ideal. Think Brad Pitt in Fight Club. You can be swole or you can be lean – working out helps with both goals. A gut says “lazy” to most people.

    3. What girls will notice is shoulders. Don’t neglect other things, but, farmer’s walks and kettlebell work will develop the shoulders.

    4. Don’t sit all day. Get out, move around, outside the gym.

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  66. 6’2″ & 250 lbs? Bwahaha! lol! hmm first off my bullshit detector is buzzing off the hook here so there’s that but second of all.. if you ARE 6’2″/250 lbs you are FAT as Fuck!!
    That is just absolutely ridiculous.

    I’m 6’3″& a half & of Scandinavian heritage and I don’t weigh anywhere near 250 lbs. If I did, I would be fat as shit & have a double chin and all that. Girls do NOT like that.

    Look it up..at 6’2″ your ideal weight should probably be something like 160-172 lbs. Above that is simply overweight.

    I’m even taller than you but if I cross 190+ lbs then I’d over weight no matter the muscle fat percentage.

    Even if that extra nearly 100 lbs of weight you claim is somehow miraculously 100% muscle you would still look absolutely ridiculous like Mr universe or some sort of steroid freak. Girls do NOT like that shit.

    It IS true that girls don’t really like skinny weak either but what they really want is the body type that I have,.. lean, tall with broad shoulders, toned 6 pack etc, relatively muscular forearms etc but NOT OVERLY muscular. And it doesn’t take that much to maintain that really.

    How you get and keep a physique like that is pushups & pullups until you get to the size you need and then just enough semi regularly to maintain that.

    Don’t waste your money on gym fees! What a ripoff! (Usually it’s just a bunch of fags & douchebags there anyway)

    Just do pullups pushups situps etc. and don’t overdue it either because you WILL injure yourself & then end up falling behind & getting too skinny because the injuries.

    Besides,, girls do NOT like the meat head steroid freak type anyway no matter what they tell themselves.. most of the guys who look like that are basically [email protected] or secret [email protected] anyway. Do you ever see guys like that with the hottest chicks ever?
    Or do you see them with tall handsome lean guys 90% of the time?

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  67. @ YaReally – apart from full-time pro bodybuilders, I don’t know anyone that spends 2 hours a day in the gym. 30-40 min is all you need. If someone can’t commit to that then it’s simply a weak excuse.

    @ Kant – “Guys packed into gyms are confusing as fuck to me”

    why is that confusing? Gyms have the equipment I need to lift & men that want to lift go to the gym. My gym, even at peak times is never “packed with guys”. It might be busy and you may have to alter your workout around equipment being used but 9 times out of 10 there is only a handful of guys there.

    Ya & Kant – I really do like your Game advice. Compared to you guys I’m still a newb and I have a long way to go to completely internalise Game and Red Pill awareness. I still hesitate approaching and when I do I spew out things that I cringe about later – but with the help of this site and others I’m improving.

    I started working out when I was already married so it was never about looking good for women. It was for myself. I just woke up one day and didn’t like what I saw in the mirror. It was more about pushing and testing myself physically and mentally. I got hooked on the feeling after a good workout and as a byproduct yes I started looking like a superhero.

    In an earlier post I said even though someone may be big/huge/ripped etc etc that does not mean you’re fending off pussy left right and center. So I fully agree that you have to approach approach and approach.

    But I do believe womens crocodile brains are hardwired to be attracted to a superior physical specimen. You can’t tell me supermodels and uber hotties are with pro sportsmen and athletes just because they earn big dollars.

    Maybe I’m greedy – but I want the superhero body and to master Game.

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  68. For better performance with women, work on your core. Not just because a six pack is sexy– but more importantly because it will improve your thrusting, endurance, and positions.

    Want return visits with young women? Pound them into iterated appeals to their deity.

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    • natphilosopher

      Pound them into iterated appeals to YOUR deity.

      Jewish girl: “oh fuck me Jesus; fuck me hodd, hoddah, hoddah”

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 2:23 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      My best looking ex had a thing for being fucked while standing. Sure, she wasn’t fat and weighed about as much as a large bag of concrete, but holding a bag of concrete in your arms for 10 minutes can be grueling if you’re out of shape.

      I think people shouldn’t overlook the importance of health and career on their gaming. If things are going well health and wealth wise, there’s no reason you shouldn’t experience dividends in the love department. It’s far harder to game if you’re an unemployed and out of shape dude.

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  69. There’s a lot of disparate advice here. I’m not saying that it’s wrong. However, I’ll just note two things:

    1. Personally, I don’t believe that body weight exercises can get anyone to where they want to be. I think that they’re a waste of time unless you have no other option. That’s just based on a lot of experience. They aren’t useless, it’s just that the use of weighted resistance is far superior results wise. Strength gains are always mediocre at best, though they are okay for increasing muscle stamina as well as warming up for general activity.

    2. The general consensus on bodybuilding forums is to use your beginning and middle period, of anywhere from 6-12 months (usually 4-6 months for the beginning period or until you deload twice) to build strength while pretty much ignore hypertrophy. You’ll get incidental muscle growth, but you’ll ignore it so that you can maximize strength gains. The consensus is that the books “Starting Strength” (beginner) and “Practical Programming for Strength Training”(beginner and middle – Texas Method), both by Mark Rippetoe, are the best guides to take you to your ‘advanced’ level wherein strength gains have plateaued and you will begin periodization and lifting for hypertrophy. These books outline how to get the most gains out of a linear progression. The focus is on squats, benching, and deadlifting. The philosophy of approaching things this way has to do with the fact that once you shift into a hypertrophy type program in your advanced stage, having first maximized your linear strength gains will allow you to lift to your maximum potential intensity in the advanced hypertrophy program and therefore gain the most muscle. If you don’t max out your strength first, when you switch to a higher volume hypertrophy type of program you will level out below your maximum possible strength gains and thus be stuck lifting less weight than you could in an attempt to grow maximum muscle – thus less muscle. Advanced stage periodization programs follow, and often include programs like 5/3/1 BBB, PHAT, or maybe push/pull/legs depending on what you prefer.

    The only way you will get cut is of you diet when you aren’t bulking. I recommend intermittent fasting ala Mark Berkhan. Also, most really good looking bodybuilders (meaning an impressive amount of muscle) use steroids or prescription test. Daniel Craig? Defintely on gear at his age when he has to look like Bond in a swimsuit. Tom Hardy in most of his roles? As he says, he takes ‘smarties’. A more realistic goal for natural lifters is perhaps being a bit more muscular than Brad Pitt in Fight Club, unless you’re 16-20 years of age, want to eat a ton and gain fat with your muscle, or a maniac who only lifts (Berkhan). You can still look fantastic and it’s completely worth it, just don’t expect to pack on movie-star muscle without gear or all out insanity.

    For a story of a bad mutherfucker bodybuilder as well as some good tips, go to reddit and searh “5/3/1 prison shot burpees”. I can’t copy and paste the link at the moment, and that’s what I used in the search field to find the recommended AMA type thread.

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  70. on October 24, 2014 at 1:43 am L. Jon Hubbard

    Tongkat Ali (1:200 root extract) + aromatase inhibitor (can use white mushrooms as cheap alternative) works for increasing testosterone.

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  71. @Having a bad day:
    Saw your advice above. Just curious if at any point did you purposefully show your desirability to other women in front of your wife that was probably going to divorce you? Did you use dread at any point and how did that turn out?

    P.S. Field Observation – went to a local bar to get some dinner since the old lady was taking the kids places and would be arriving later that night. Arrived at the bar around 5. As I walked in, I noticed a 6’2″ 240 bouncer sitting at the door. Now, usually they don’t start carding until later, so I assumed that I didn’t need to show him anything. I just passed by him and confidently said, “hey, how you doin’, man?” and continued walking to the bar. As I took my coat off, I turned around to notice people entering shortly after me and presenting their ids. I had a good laugh at the fact that I should have showed my id too, but I “assumed the sale” and it must have showed in my demeanor, thus the guy didn’t say anything. Perhaps he thought someone acting like they didn’t need to show id was someone that was a VIP. I don’t know, but it made me laugh.

    And again, I’ll mention that since red pill cleared up social dynamics for me, I notice I’m the most relaxed mofo in the house (at least that’s how I feel about myself). I notice dudes overcompensating by being purposefully too loud, or dudes fidgeting with their phones, or dudes looking around nervously with their beers too high. Bars are a whole new level of fun, enjoyment, and observation for me now.

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    • on October 24, 2014 at 9:25 am having a bad day

      @newlyaloof

      “@Having a bad day:
      Saw your advice above. Just curious if at any point did you purposefully show your desirability to other women in front of your wife that was probably going to divorce you? Did you use dread at any point and how did that turn out?”

      …lol…OH YEAH!!!! (note the 4!!!! exclamation points…lol)…lol…

      well, not exactly ‘purposefully’…it just naturally happens as a result of viewing yourself as the (sexual) prize…lol…bc girls in the area respond to you just being there…lol…and other girls pick up on that…lol…

      once I REALLY digested that red pill, i hit on/flirt with girls ALL the time (which includes physical touching/escalation…lol…and they are disappointed if i don’t ask for their number…lol)…her attitude has changed soooo much, that she now knows that she has to compete to keep me…lol…and if she doesn’t, i’ll go hustle up some high school/college girls…lol…and she knows that’s not just an idle (if relatively unspoken) threat, bc of the way they respond to me when i chat them up…lol…and the divorce rape idea is a distant memory…lol…it’s to the point now that even if we would get a divorce (and the only way that’ll happen is if i do it…lol) she has already mentioned being FBs…lol…

      she’s actually losing weight (has dropped a lot of pounds so far and continues to lose), watches her diet (no more sugar/carbs), has joined a gym and gets up at 4:30 am to go work out (while i sleep in…lol) and is constantly talking about wanting to be hotter for me…lol…and she is ALOT happier, too…

      one of hardest things for me to do (and the actual key to accepting the red pill knowledge as true) was to view myself as the prize (the sexual prize…and to not be ashamed of that)…and that required me to recognize and get over the social shaming that exists to keep men down…blue pill = internalized shame for men

      the feminine imperative (and if you don’t know this concept, you need to jump over to Rational Male and learn it ASAP…) has as it’s prime directive the ‘shaming’ of men…once you can get past THAT (and see it for what it is and when it pops up in your life) your attitude will shift on its own…bc that’s the big sticking point…

      YaReally has a post above that comments on his seeing normal social guys NOT trying to close on girls throwing IOIs at them…that’s a direct result of the ‘shaming’ that they have internalized…they are ashamed of their sexual desires, and to escalate on the girls they need to overcome that inhibition…it’s tough…but if i can do it, anybody can do it…you just need to make a plan and push out of your comfort zone…make some predictions, take some action and observe the results…

      good luck!

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      • I’ve read all of Ya’s and Rational’s stuff so I’m good on that front. And I’ve upped the amount of attention I give other females with no fucks given. May be too late for my situ, but I’ve noticed she seems to care more about my business than in the past. I notice my phone blowing up a lot more on Friday’s right when happy hour arrives. I think dread, hell even actually straying, may be the only solution (I’m good lookin’ but too many beta years to soil her vision and memory).

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  72. @having a bad day P.S.

    Few months back I made up this story and I told it to her like this:

    “You won’t believe what happened to me today. there was this girl at happy hour. Part of a bachelorette party. Super drunk and giving me the google eyes. Wouldn’t leave me alone. But one thing let to another and you know.”

    She blew up with, “I can’t believe you fucked some girl while I’m stuck her inside with the kids.” I let her go for a few seconds then said, “Hold on honey. You didn’t let me mention that when I said let me tell you what happened to me today that it was in the dream I had today.”

    Totally dread-punked her ass, but her response was telling. She wasn’t all to worried that I actually fucked another woman. She was mad that she was stuck in the house with the kids not being able to have her own serving of excitement. I basically think she’s checked out. She’s in her mid 40s, low libido, and not in her best shape like before. This is what happens when you take the plunge before you learn red-pill. But as my handle indicates, I’m taking all this in stride and aloofly intrigued at how all this will turn out.

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    • @newlyaloof and @R1J2

      THIS IS THE KEY

      ” @HABD wrote: anybody can do it…you just need to make a plan and push out of your comfort zone…make some predictions, take some action and observe the results…”

      ++++++++++++++++

      Do this^^^. Don’t trust what others say (no matter how well intentioned), you need to get out there and try it. Run iterations, run experiments, analyze the result, rinse repeat. You will be shocked at first, then everything will make sense and fall into place.

      As to this – “Saw your advice above. Just curious if at any point did you purposefully show your desirability to other women in front of your wife that was probably going to divorce you? Did you use dread at any point and how did that turn out?”

      Similar to HABD, I got into game as a married guy, looking at an unsatisfying marriage and coming to the conclusion it was not going to be sustainable, divorce would be inevitable at some point, just to stay sane. This is after spending 3 years basically checked out and depressed. And my wife was/is a good wife, she is high Alpha but heavily wrapped in a a blue pill blanket. She would have stuck it out forever and been miserable.

      Funnily enough, I got into Game via @Laguna Beach Fogey, so shout out to him. We have a similar background and I enjoyed his blog, went to a linked blog Alpha Game Plan, thought it was going to be a finance blog! MMSL, Heartiste et al followed. Spent 3 years now working game like a job. Short story is like HABD, marriage is rock solid now, wife is strangely happy even though she feels a constant thum of soft dread humming in the background… and sex basically as much as I want.

      To your point, you don’t need to be purposeful in showing your desirability, you just need to be out in the world and it will emanate from you naturally. You just need to acknowledge it, play along. I was always atheltic and in unreal shape when I met my wife, but padded myself with 20 soft lbs from work and travel. when I ot serious about regaining my sense of self, I dropped the 20 lbs in 8 weeks, got back into exercising (see my upthread) and BOOM, all of my wife’s friends did the work for me. They were texting her, “OMG I saw your husband out walking, he looks 20 years younger”, or making comments to her, holding my arm, “he looks so fit” etc.

      Now I get IOI’s everytime we go out together, and I know and can pick up 23 YO 8’s, so I have super confidence. and this confidence works both ways, it’s mutually reinforcing. I have a still hot wife at home, so when I am gaming, I have an abundance mentality, and when I am home I know I can go out any night and pick up, so any momentary drama from the Wife meets a super strong outcome independent attitude from me. It’s awesome.

      As to more specifics about keeping your LTR on track, see my post here :https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/overconfidence-is-the-heart-of-game-%e2%9d%a4science%e2%9d%a4-edition/#comment-623947

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    • on October 24, 2014 at 12:17 pm having a bad day

      @newlyaloof

      ““You won’t believe what happened to me today. there was this girl at happy hour. Part of a bachelorette party. Super drunk and giving me the google eyes. Wouldn’t leave me alone. But one thing let to another and you know.””

      good story…great ambiguity…lol…should have stopped while you were ahead…lol

      “She blew up with, “I can’t believe you fucked some girl while I’m stuck her inside with the kids.” I let her go for a few seconds then said, “Hold on honey. You didn’t let me mention that when I said let me tell you what happened to me today that it was in the dream I had today.””

      you let her off the hook = beta…lol…see above…you need to OWN your sexuality…which includes banging some random college hottie if you WANT to…and it’s her job to make you NOT want to…lol…

      “Totally dread-punked her ass, but her response was telling. She wasn’t all to worried that I actually fucked another woman. ”

      no you didn’t…lol…you started to…but then see above (dread game only works IF you don’t take it back…bc otherwise it’s not dread…lol…her response is what a shit test looks like as she is trying to put you back into that box she has you in…if you had held your frame (and weathered the onslaught of shit testing) you would have started to turn it around…

      you should have just shrugged like it was no big deal (= no fucks given…) and changed the subject…lol…(and yes that will seem VERY mean…lol) and if it came up again, just change the subject…her getting mad was a shit test to try to put you back into the beta ‘box’ she has you in…and those shit tests get pretty bad/ugly if/when you spin up that guard dog situ…ask me how i know…lol…

      if you are going to spin it around, you’ll need to be able to ‘stare her down’ (literally) during a conflict. i know it seems kind of stupid but primate dominance displays don’t change just bc you move to the suburbs…lol…and alpha = dominance…

      as long as she hasn’t boned some other dude, or filed the paperwork for divorce, you can still turn it around (if you want to…), but you need to get on it…

      specifically, you will need to assert dominance (and win…lol) in a critical situ…you might need to ‘blow up’ at something she does…bc that gives you a chance to exhibit dominance displays (on your terms/when you are ready for it)…and the cause should be something arbitrary and stupid (bc she won’t be ready for it…so you’ll catch her by surprise = tactically solid plan = easier victory…lol)…i can’t remember exactly what my wife did (it was an escalating shit test of some type), but i slapped a plate full of food off the kitchen table and put a huge hole in the dry wall (which is still there btw…lol)…and said (in front of the kids no less…) ‘i can’t believe i put up with this shit…i’m going to have to get a fuckin’ divorce…’ then i stared her down (as the kids freaked out…lol)…there was a lot more shit testing after that, but that was the turning point for me…

      the easier first step is to start compliance testing her…lol…just like during pick up…lol…change your language from passive to active – tell her, don’t ask her, to do something small for you…’hey, hand me that glass/plate/fork…’ and go up from there. it might be a few weeks/months to get to ‘hey, make me a sandwich.’ (and have her do it without complaint…and she’ll shit test you for dominance along the way) but you’ll have a good handle on where you stand by how much compliance you can get from her without blowback/shit testing…

      there’s two components to turning around your marriage/ltr – how new girls relate/react to you (easier to change bc you start with a fresh slate every time…) and how your wife/ltr sees you (MUCH more difficult to change bc you have a long history of beta to overcome…)

      work both sides bc if things go south in the marriage/ltr you’ll need the PUA skills to hit the ground running and pick up those college hotties…lol..or to run some REAL dread game in your ltr…

      good luck!

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      • @HABD (and Sentient): That’s a lot of heavy stuff you guys dropped thanks. I’ll have to read it a few times to let it sink in clearly.

        I’m certain I could get with at least 4 girls at work and 2 at my local pub for starters, but the legalities of divorce and kids got me scared, so that’s a fear I’ll have to get over. Still want to be the “good guy” and hold to tradition (ZS style) and not cheat, but a man will eventually have to do what he has to do.

        HABD, I did that trick to get a feel for how she feels about us. She ain’t much for expressing her emotions openly. But I see your point about not telling her it was a trick. Again, fear of divorce rape got me holding back. Never cheated in 15 years, but a man must do what a man must if he feels the thrill is gone.

        I’m in shape and lift. Get IOIs alot and could bang girls if I decide to. Working on bettering my wardrobe and finances.

        Last night, just grabbed her onto the bed and started undressing her. Her, “The kids may be up,” and, “the door’s not shut,” shit was ignored and I just continued undressing her until she was helping herself get into position as the complaints left her lips. I’ll have to do more of that shit if I want this to work.

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      • @newlyaloof

        It takes some time to turn around a LTR after you LET it go fallow (yup it is all your fault, welcome to a man’s world). I know. Been there. Just keep at it. You sound like you are on the right track. You don’t have to go fuck some one younger, or at all,if you don’t want to, no one is keeping score but you man. Do what is right for you to sleep at night, because most dudes are not built to “cheat”. It can eat at you and may not be worth it.

        Just letting your wife see that you COULD fuck women who are + her sex rank (this is key, lower and you are hurting yourself) will do most of the work. And no need for manufactured dread, stories, lies etc. Just be authentic and awesome and you will get enough of the real stuff going.

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      • on October 28, 2014 at 8:30 am having a bad day

        @newlyaloof

        “I’m certain I could get with at least 4 girls at work and 2 at my local pub for starters, but the legalities of divorce and kids got me scared, so that’s a fear I’ll have to get over.”

        alpha = NO fucks given…lol…it’s just like a lot of things (surfing, skiing, snowboard, biking…) greater potential danger = more actual safety…lol…welcome to zen…lol…

        “Still want to be the “good guy” and hold to tradition (ZS style) and not cheat, but a man will eventually have to do what he has to do.”

        beta ‘nice guy’ attitude is going to get flipped…what you HAVE to do to turn it around is going to seem REALLY MEAN in order to turn things around…bc you are ACTIVELY injecting uncertainty/instability into your relationship (this is why letting her off the hook with your story seemed like the right thing to do (beta) but actively prevented dread from forming…). dread is going to ‘hurt’ her on some level bc this is the opposite of comfort/rapport…it’s dread = anti-comfort = she’s not going to ‘like it’ (at least on the surface, where most guys communicate…)

        +1 on Sentient’s advice about not cheating if you don’t want to…it’s really up to YOU…lol…that’s bc YOU are the man…lol…what do YOU want…? you can turn it around without cheating…and it’s NOT any harder than with cheating…that’s bc of the way that women work…without cheating = SLIGHTLY less loyalty testing…with cheating = MORE loyalty testing…lol…you’ll still have to deal with it…unless you’re going to bail on the ltr…then it doesn’t matter anyway…lol…

        “HABD, I did that trick to get a feel for how she feels about us. She ain’t much for expressing her emotions openly.”

        sure she is…lol…she’s a woman…lol…you just have to learn the dialect/language she’s communicating with…

        “But I see your point about not telling her it was a trick. Again, fear of divorce rape got me holding back. ”

        see above…alpha = NO fucks given…regardless of the potential downside…tight rope…no net…lol…

        “Never cheated in 15 years, but a man must do what a man must if he feels the thrill is gone.”

        see above…but if you don’t want to cheat (or if you want to spot girls that want to help you cheat…lol) the key components to bring up in your stories are 1) girls give you IOIs and 2) they wanted to somehow get to an isolated location with you…lol…

        for example… (like you are clueless regarding what’s going on…lol)…’this one girl at work (higher SMV than your wife) said she needed some help this weekend. yea, she kind of felt my arm and giggled and then told me that she could really use my help moving her couch. she wants (note present tense verb…lol) me to come over Sat late afternoon, said she would even cook me dinner to thank me. i thought about it, but i really wanted to [arbitrary activity not related to loyalty to your wife…] instead…’ …then just let it work its way through to your wife’s hamster…lol…

        if your wife brings up that the girl probably wanted to sex you up (a shit test…) you just think about it and 1) change the subject 2) say ‘huh’ or ‘hmm’ or ‘that makes sense’…like you just realized she’s right, then change subject 3) ‘cool’ [change subject]…lol…if your wife keeps bringing it up (she will until she gets a beta response…or not…lol) just shrug and say ‘yea, i get that a lot…’ then change subject…lol…

        note – you don’t have to qualify your statements as if you have changed recently. women don’t have very good ‘memories’ regardless of what it seems like when they are shit testing you…lol…if you just state that women have always hit on you, then that’s how it is…lol…her hamster will be your friend and make it ‘true’ to her…provided you are passing her shit testing…lol…

        “I’m in shape and lift. Get IOIs alot and could bang girls if I decide to. Working on bettering my wardrobe and finances.”

        good, keep it up…props on working on it…it’s tough to change…

        “Last night, just grabbed her onto the bed and started undressing her. Her, “The kids may be up,” and, “the door’s not shut,” shit was ignored and I just continued undressing her until she was helping herself get into position as the complaints left her lips. I’ll have to do more of that shit if I want this to work.”

        if that was her normal response…(if you are getting sex when you want it, with only token resistance like that), you’re actually ahead of where most guys are starting from…lol…ask me how i know…lol…

        good luck!

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    • on October 24, 2014 at 12:35 pm having a bad day

      got one stuck in the stack…lol…

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  73. Oh my god! So ‘game’ to these guys is all about sex. I thought ‘game’ is all about becoming a better man.

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  74. A real Gamma like myself does not need to lift weights like some meathead prole. I dress well, am articulate, well read, and culturally sophisticated. I am the ultimate ubermensch!

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  75. *uebermensch
    FIFU 🙂

    I agree that body-weight exercises can be outgrown quickly, hence the need for being under a barbell to make greater gains in strength. But as an amateur gym rat I’ve observed that chin-ups and pull-ups hit that high resistance/low rep sweet spot for a lot of guys, me included. They hit your biceps and back. Plus women suck at them. Show off! Is a gym membership not in the cards? Do them on a tree branch, au natural-like.

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  76. Bodyweight exercises can take you pretty far, but you are limited in the resistance level by …… your bodyweight, obviously. You can keep adding reps, but that’s really boring. Strict form chins and dips can be made pretty tough, but making pushups more difficult requires some contorting. Also, bodyweight exercises for legs are crappy to the point that I don’t think anyone actually does them.

    A quick word about strength vs. muscle growth. New strength gains in the first 60 days or so are really fast, but that’s mostly due to neural adaptations to the movement patterns, and not muscular gains. This fools a lot of people, including experts. Don’t change exercises too often, or you won’t really know how much progress you have really made (or, if you are a trainer, have your clients change exercises often, and claim credit for making them stronger!). All factors like program, diet, and rest being equal, the amount of muscle you put on vs. strength gains will be determined by your genetic potential more than by exercises and rep ranges.

    [CH: right, but most men will put on muscle from a weightlifting program. the difference in muscle growth from man to man is one of degree, not kind.]

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  77. Get to a Crossfit box. They are loaded with scantly clad fit women, and you can game under the radar.

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  78. She is a stage 4 psychotic but she weighs less than a 100 pounds. So, there is a God.

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  79. There is a very simple reason to do weight training. You feel better. It is then pleasant to be in your body. Physical effort is not seen as a chore. You get out of bed in the morning enthusiastically. You astound your younger colleagues ( I mean way younger) by your physical stamina at work. Your personal domestic interactions improve with all members of your family, since you are more active and more useful. You serve as a role model, as well. I will pass over how it improves your experience with young ladies through a mixture of modesty and discretion. You feel much more aggressive, in a positive way.

    And, in my particular case, it makes my back not hurt. (This is important, and not just for raking leaves.) I have had back issues, minor, since I was 24, many, many years ago. Pulled muscles of various sorts. By doing back curls in a chair with a 15 pound weight, my back is perfect. (Do this with care, especially on the down stroke.) On the rare occasion when I do pull a back muscle (Last time was twisting and turning cleaning my car interior.) , the soreness goes away in 3 or 4 days, instead of lingering for weeks.

    Weight lifting, done with moderation, is your single best way to improve your fitness. You eat better. You feel good and don’t eat comfort food.

    BTW, for those of you at risk for Type II diabetes. Skeletal muscle is the tissue that soaks up glucose after a meal with insulin stimulation. If the muscle won’t accept the glucose, you become insulin insensitive, and it winds up going to the liver (fatty liver.) And, you are heading to the diabetic state and all the misery that entails.

    I feel a strong mixture of contempt and pity for older men (55+) who have become physically weak and frail as they age. Unless there is a serious disease process going on, or they smoke cigarettes (They degrade your body. No getting around that.), there is just no reason to be weak and frail as you age, at least up until 70. (I am not there yet!)

    So, lift weights in moderation all your life. Do it at home to save time. Best investment of your time you will ever make.

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    • All of the above.

      The only thing I’ll add is, for safety if you work out alone, invest in a good weight stack machine and/or leverage benches like Powertec… yeah, yeah, I know it’s not the same as free weight, but we’re talking about regular guys staying fit and looking good well into their fifties and beyond, not hard core body building or Olympian sport.

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  80. Join a boxing gym….do boxing circuits twice a week…supplement with heavy weights twice a week. Use a heavy bag as your warm up routine. Chuck in a post workout whey supplement. Get some one to one training and learn how to move and box rather than how to move a lump of iron from one place to another.

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    • on October 26, 2014 at 2:03 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

      Since this is about optimizing your womanizing, you should take ballroom dancing classes to learn how to move and stick with moving a lump of iron from A to B for building your body.

      I think if you’re just starting out from the couch potato level, you shouldn’t join a gym for a month or two and workout at home. The reality is that you will waste money since there’s little difference between bench pressing and DB flies and pushups at that level. You should be able to get to about 200 pushups a day in a month.

      When you will be in ok shape, the gym will make sense because you won’t go there to bench 110-120lbs. So just buy a set of second hand dumbbells. They will come in handy when you will be a gym member too on the days when you have to work until later or when you’d prefer inviting a lady friend over to going to the gym.

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  81. You can sign up for Labor Finders and make $10 and hour working with Mexicans unloading 60 pound bags of concrete at construction sites.

    4×4 rolls of wet sod weigh a lot too.

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