What To Do When A Girl Signals She’s Back On The Market

If a girl tells you she’s having boyfriend troubles, what message should you take from that? How would you proceed?

A reader provides blog fodder,

I have a hot personal trainer, obviously I’m interested. She has a boyfriend, but the other day she sent me a text telling me the boyfriend might be cheating on her.

Got any Personal Trainer Game tips?

First of all, you don’t see hot female personal trainers with male clients very often, unless she works as a class instructor. One-on-one? Rare. I wonder if the reader is a minor celebrity. Now male personal trainers giving hands-on guidance to hot chicks in yoga pants? That harassment is everywhere.

This is a relevant game scenario that could involve any girl, regardless of her occupation. Sometimes a girl will drop a hint, subtle or otherwise, that she’s back on the market. These signals of market reintroduction should rarely be taken at face value. Unfortunately, beta males will typically leap on this female availability bait and immediately interview themselves for the replacement job.

There are various reasons why a girl would volunteer information to a third party man about her fraying relationship. If the information is of the “my man is cheating on me” sort, you’ve got to be extra careful handling that ho potato. First you’ll need to untangle penumbras and emanations of meaning.

A girl will announce to a platonic male friend (or, in this case, client) that her BF is cheating for any of the following reasons:

1. He really is cheating, and she wants to find a new man to alleviate the pain of rejection. This is your classic rebound offer.

2. He really is cheating, but she still loves him and wants to stay with him. Her actions then can best be interpreted as trawling for sympathy and flattery from another man so she can feel attractive again.

3. He isn’t cheating, and she’s a slutty sociopath fishing for a handy rationalization to start cheating on him.

4. She’s the one cheating (but not with you), and logic has been hamsterspun to suit her glowing self-conception. By lying to you, the third party man, about the source of infidelity, she transfers some of her incipient guilt to the ether known affectionately as “men are pigs”.

5. No one’s cheating. She’s just an attention whore who may or may not want to sleep with you.

If you were to actively pursue a girl who signaled her market availability by throwing her boyfriend under the bus, one of the following rom-com endings are likely to be your fate:

1. She makes endless promises to leave her BF. This result isn’t so bad, if sex and good times is all you want with her. Essentially, you’ll be entering a three-way relationship as the interloper who cucks her boyfriend. You are her Ovulation Lover. Just don’t make the mistake of committing to her, unless you enjoy the prospect of hearing her come up with new excuses every week why she’s still with him. If you aren’t fucking her, then in this scenario, by default, you’re her beta male orbiter. Don’t be a beta male orbiter.

2. She insists she has left her BF, but hasn’t. You are now a bug in her web of lies. Why does she lie? She doesn’t trust you to be a full replacement, she doesn’t want to leave her boyfriend, or surreptitious love triangles featuring her in the starring role make her horny. Alpha fux, beta bux is definitely in play here. If you discover her lie, she’ll find some way to spin it as an act of human kindness or as a breach of agreed-upon terms (terms which were elucidated only in her head). “I still have feelings for him.” “I didn’t want to hurt him.” “He needs me.” “I figured you’d understand.” “I thought you knew what this was about?” This scenario can be benign, but only if all of the below apply:

– the boyfriend isn’t a crazy mofo who’ll come after you

– you are fucking her, but not dating her with long-term goals in mind

– she isn’t a vector for venereal disease

– she isn’t a vector for surprise pregnancy

– she doesn’t occupy too much of your free time.

When it turns malign:

You aren’t fucking her but are being used as an aural pincushion for her self-pitying stabs of romantic discontent.

3. She really has left her boyfriend, and she’s left him for you. Lotto! Not so fast, young pat-a-twat. If you’re rebound material, the strength of novel passion might not be there to fortify a deep love in her. Don’t expect her to become your girlfriend. Again, not a big dealio if feelio is all you want. If, otoh, she has excommunicated her boyfriend and you and her alight on a voyage of priapic discovery, there will always be that cloud of deception trailing her wake. Did she lie about who really cheated on whom? Why did she even volunteer that information, unless it was to relieve her guilt or encourage your premature sexual intercession? Will she pull the same stunt on you? Bottom line: You can never trust girls who air their dirty laundry.

4. She really has left her boyfriend, but not necessarily for you. Now you’re in the danger zone. You start to fill with fantasies of lust and love for your newly-freed girl-friend. She, knowingly or not, fuels your excitement and neediness with tales of her empowered but simultaneously cloyingly vulnerable decision to leave her BF, and your internal frenzy betrays your efforts at external aloofness. Since you don’t know for sure whether she considers you a worthy substitute, (and she has, as nature intended, played her part in stoking your uncertainty), your game abandons you as the finish line fades in and out of your view. You think, not illogically, that she’s romantically interested in you, because why else would she admit her relationship failings to you unless her intention was to incite you to swoop in for the rescue? Damn logic, trips up so many men. Like so many female shit tests, the “my BF is cheating on me woe is me thanks for being there” ruse is a plate of prime id that betaboys can’t resist chomping. This scenario is a recipe for drawn-out heartache.

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So what should the reader do? His personal trainer sent him a text announcing her boyfriend was cheating on her. That the news was delivered via text and not face-to-face is interesting in itself, especially considering that personal trainers and their clients share a lot of quasi-intimate time together when bedroom secrets could find multiple routes of escape.

I suspect she sent the text because she’s feeling some guilt for her role in whatever her relationship drama is supposed to signify. There’s nothing quite like an electronic middleman layer to hide revealing facial expressions. There is more danger in sending a text, too, as the risk of discovery is higher than if she confessed her desire to sin in evaporative vocal mists.

Reader: Given these premises, my diagnosis is that she is clumsily hinting she wants you to personally train her vagina. (Premises subject to change if additional info is released. For instance, the length of the reader’s platonic textual relationship with his tart trainer.)

You proceed like you would with any girl texting her market availability: You embrace the zen of amused indifference, proffer your heartfelt condolences (“dat sux”), and suggest a place where she could meet you, privately, if she “needs your company to take her mind off things”. Then you give her an evening when you might be available, reminding her to check with you first. DO NOT, under whatever scrotal or psychological duress, entertain her tacit aspiration for an asexual therapist. You have balls to drain, and women should always be aware of that on some level.

That final warning means, “don’t chomp on her beta bait”. The next time you have a session with her (following on the heels of her plaintive text wail), you’ll be tempted to bring up the subject of her text and suggest an immediate post-training drink. I say you should lay off for a bit. Pretend like you didn’t even read her text, or forgot about it. Let her bring it up at your next IRL meeting. (Refusing beta bait is a huge DHV. Alphas rarely have time to commiserate with distressed women lamenting cheating boyfriends.)

If she brings it up first, then you’ll have your platform to a) swiftly dismiss any possibility that you’ll listen to an endless stream of her dramatic renderings (a teasing neg helps here) and b) offer an opportunity for a post-session private session at a logistically favorable public venue. “Well, I’m free for a bit after our next workout if you want to grab a drink and talk about happier things.” Cat string theory. Pull away a little bit, make her chase. Don’t go rushing to her with arms open in affection and sympathy; like a cat, she’ll hiss and run for cover.

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Reader Tilikum adds an important caveat,

that said, I’d never even get close to any type of trainer/meathead/gymrat either female as the object of my desire, or her male meathead BF. loads of insecurity and “lets you and him fight” drama IMO. almost worse than cops and soldiers. and i’v banged a ton of attached chicks from all three.

“Let’s you and him fight” is an urge in most women, as most women crave, to a lesser or greater degree, manufactured romance drama. The best kind of drama, from women’s POV, is that which pits men in acts of valor (or stupidity) for a faire maiden’s hand. Gym rats and exercise fiends are, I agree, especially susceptible to this kind of female drama whoring. Maybe because they’re surrounded by so much testosterone all day that their estrogenic alter egos get pushed into overdrive and the thought of gladiators duking it out sends tremors ripping through their dilated wombs.

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Heywood Jablome goes for the kill,

Reply text:

“8:00 at joes bar on 5th st”

The bold reply right after she texts you about her “cheating boyfriend” is the right strategy IF

1. She has a history of dropping indicators of interest your way. Then her “bad boyfriend” text could be considered an escalation of her sexual intent toward you.

2. Your behavior in her company to date has left no impression that you’d be the sort of man who’d volunteer a shoulder for her to cry on.

If these apply, then go right ahead and push for an insta-date (although in this case, it’d more precisely be called “foreplay”).





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  1. […] What To Do When A Girl Signals She’s Back On The Market […]

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    • on November 12, 2014 at 11:46 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      If a girl tells you she’s having boyfriend troubles, what message should you take from that? How would you proceed?

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      • Always use the situation to YOUR advantage. If you decide that she’s an HPD/BPD/NPD nutcase, then no PIV. But that doesn’t mean you can’t use the opportunity to become the cool trustworthy detached ultra-masculine 1940s Private Eye detective dude who earns his way into her inner circle of HB8+ tanned and toned and hyper-horny little gym bunny BFFs. Example: “Okay, let’s me and you take a camera in my car and tail him and see whether we can get it all on film…”

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      • I had a 19 yr old that called me once complaining of husband troubles. Said he wasn’t fucking her anymore. I said “I’ll be right over.” Had one who was engaged who was showing “trepidation” over having to move to TX for her fiancé. I said “let’s go grab some drinks.” And then I fucked her too.

        This article was tl;dr overanalysis. If a bitch complains about her bf, you fuck her. If she doesn’t put out, then you DO NOT LISTEN and refer her to a gay friend you have.

        Women don’t call me to complain about BF troubles because they want a sympathetic ear. I am their ripcord or their diversion. All this claptrap about what if you like her…wtf? Silly of you to fall in love with a bitch.

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      • on November 12, 2014 at 6:03 pm Hammer of Love

        ” Women don’t call me to complain about BF troubles because they want a sympathetic ear. I am their ripcord or their diversion. All this claptrap about what if you like her…wtf? Silly of you to fall in love with a bitch. ”

        Hope your packing tough guy, cause that’s a quick way to get shot where I come from. Even betas can go into berserker mode.

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      • as of matter of fact, yes I am strapped.

        thank GOD though for betas on a pickup site sharing all their expertise on me and what I do

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      • “I had a 19 yr old that called me once complaining of husband troubles. Said he wasn’t fucking her anymore.”

        and yet, we still have idiots on here are saying girls this age are responsible and mature enough to get married and have babies. uh huh. sure they are.

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      • on November 18, 2014 at 10:00 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        K, women in general aren’t mature or responsible enough to have babies then. lol

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GOLAITH nor SODOM nor GOMMORRAHZ zlzlzolzo nor NOAH nor WHITMANZ nor SHAKESPEAREZ nor DA BIBLE nor da OLD TESTAMENT nor da NEW TESTAMENTZ nor any of MY FRIENDZ nor any of da GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ NOR THE FALL OF EVE which launched DA BIBLE nor DA ADULTERY OF HELEN which laucnhed da TORJAN WAR as if HOMER, MOSES, JESUS, SOCRATES, JEFFERSN, ADAMS, MADISON, WASHINGTON, LEONIDAS, SOCRATES, GALIELEOZ , COPERNICUS, NEWTON KNOW ABOSLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT BEING A MAN as if ACHILLES KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT HONORZ as if DA BIBLE IS COMPLETELY FUCKING USLEFLESS TO MENZ HOW MANY MORE FUCKING BOOKZ ARE GOING TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT MEN AND FOR MEN WHICH FUCKING IGNOREDTHE FUCKIUNG GREAT FUCKING BOOKS FOR FUCKING MENZ???? AND TGUS IGNORE DA CLASSICAL, EXALTED, PUINNACLE, PAARGAON, FORM OF MAN AND EPOIC MANHOODZ? lzozlzoozzlzozolzozozozozozooz and den when i found out da book made no metion of da GRETA BOKS FOR MENZ nor classic epic heoresz which da neococnths hate while they exalt tucker mwax rhmeys with godlmanssnachsz da butcokeekrz in da wekelsy standadrdth lzozozolz i got boredz and went and palyed some playatatstaion grand theft autos zlzozoz and tunered on da ESPN and picked up a GBFM iliad hoddodyse HOMER JESUS & i texted a bunch of my hotties: http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2012/10/31/great-books-for-men-greatbooksformen-gbfm-tm-gb4m-tm-gr8books4men-tm-lzozozozozlzo-tm/ and i PICKE DUP HOMERZ ILAIDZ AND ODYSSEYZ and I EXLATE DIN READING THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN WHICH HAVE BEEN BANNED AND BANISHSED AND WICH WOMEN CARE NOT FOR AS THEY NEVER READ, NOR TALK ABOUT DEM, NOR WRITE BAOUT DEM AS THEY COMPLETEYTEY IGNORE THE GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ and den think dat they can write BOOKS FOR MEN while completely ignoring da ARHCETYPAL PINNACLES OF HEORIC MANHOODS AND DA GREAT BOOKS FOR MENZ!!!!! thusly endeth da GBFMZ first book rievewz lzozolzlz i hope u ejoyedz it up next i will review da HBO seriez GIRLZ which at least dey get right with da fat fattassed fattie who takez it up da butt form a loser beoryfieerbndsz, so women can get womenz right (as dey feel da buttingzlzozo firts hand zlzooz), but when it comesz to classical, exalted, moral, menz like MOSES ZEUS JESUS SOCTRETATE CICERO CATO SENECAZ leave it to MENZ OKZ? lzlzozoozozozozo ZEUS’ LIGHTNING & MOSES’ THUNDER: Da Reason Dey Banned da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ is dat da GREAT BOOKZ teach of the true nature of WOMENZ and da HONOR OF MEN. IN THE MIDST OF ZEUS’ LIGHTNING & MOSES’ THUNDER A LOST GENERATION OF MEN BEHLD DA GBFM IN WONDER. AS HE CAME DOWN FROM HIGH OFF THE MOUNTAIN PEAK TO DELIVER DA TRUTH & HONOR ALL YOUNG MEN SEEK. lzozozozololzoz Lots of people talk and few of them know,soul of a woman was created below. Every day I work so hard, bringin’ home my hard earned pay, Try to love you baby, but you push me away.- LED ZEPPELIN – DAZED AND CONFUSED LYRICS [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pau8Zf7srlU&w=500&h=282] Da Reason Dey Banned da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ is dat da GREAT BOOKZ teach of the true nature of WOMENZ and da HONOR OF MEN. HOMER TEACHES: You have to watch out [20] She doesn’t carry off all your treasure. You know what a woman’s heart is like. She wants to enrich the house of the one who weds her, Never mind about her former children And the husband she once loved. Once he’s dead, [25] She doesn’t give any of them a thought. –Homer; Lombardo, Stanley; Murnaghan, Sheila (2010-07-02). Odyssey (Translated & Annotated) (Kindle Locations 6813-6817). Hackett Publishing. Kindle Edition. lzozoozozlzozoz dat is because a owmenz is gudied by materialz insticnstinct and mater = mother = matter = material you fanabaoyz zlzloolzolzoz. DA ANCIENTZ KNEW IT–all dat da bernnkeifierz conceal and hidez as tehy d create false LAWS allowing womenz to arbitrarily transfer a man’s property and chirlederen to da state zlzlzlooz!!! OK EVERYONEZ!! CLASS IS IN SESSION!!! IN THE COMMENTS, leave samples and excerpts from the GREAT BOOKZ which teach game!! AND also note how the GREAT BOOKZ they teach thingz GREATER THAN GAME (such as honor and civilizatin and freedom from punnanaizz zlozzoz and freedom form butthext) as there is more to life than being the 27th PUA to game some buttehxt off a modenrz ebebernankifed deousled womenz zlzozolzlzlozlzozoolzolzozlzloz HEre is one for starters: lzozozlzozozoz read homers lodysysyey!! duh!!!! homer’s odysysey teaches that if you stand up to womenz you get to FUCK them lzozozozo if you don’t stand up to dem dey turn you into pigs yes homer was alomst as brrilliaaiant as heartistse lzozozozozo: HOMER’S ODYSSEY: “‘And I will tell you of all the wicked witchcraft that Circe will try to practise upon you. She will mix a mess for you to drink, and she will drug the meal with which she makes it, but she will not be able to charm you, for the virtue of the herb that I shall give you will prevent her spells from working. I will tell you all about it. When Circe strikes you with her wand, draw your sword and spring upon her as though you were goings to kill her. She will then be frightened and will desire you to go to bed with her; on this you must not point blank refuse her, for you want her to set your companions free, and to take good care also of yourself, but you make her swear solemnly by all the blessed that she will plot no further mischief against you, or else when she has got you naked she will unman you and make you fit for nothing.’ ” -http://classics.mit.edu/Homer/odyssey.mb.txt zlzozozozozoz ANOTHER GREAT PLACE IS IN GENESIES GENEIS IN DA BIBLE: 16 Unto the woman GOD said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. is it no wonder sad benerneiannkieirz funded fmeinnisnsmz to deconstruct the GRETA BOOKZ AND CLASSIZCXZ? zlozozzlzol HAMLET: HAMLET O, that this too too solid flesh would melt Thaw and resolve itself into a dew! Or that the Everlasting had not fix’d His canon ‘gainst self-slaughter! O God! God! How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable, Seem to me all the uses of this world! Fie on’t! ah fie! ’tis an unweeded garden, That grows to seed; things rank and gross in nature Possess it merely. That it should come to this! But two months dead: nay, not so much, not two: So excellent a king; that was, to this, Hyperion to a satyr; so loving to my mother That he might not beteem the winds of heaven Visit her face too roughly. Heaven and earth! Must I remember? why, she would hang on him, As if increase of appetite had grown By what it fed on: and yet, within a month– Let me not think on’t–Frailty, thy name is woman!– A little month, or ere those shoes were old With which she follow’d my poor father’s body, Like Niobe, all tears:–why she, even she– O, God! a beast, that wants discourse of reason, Would have mourn’d longer–married with my uncle, My father’s brother, but no more like my father Than I to Hercules: within a month: Ere yet the salt of most unrighteous tears Had left the flushing in her galled eyes, She married. O, most wicked speed, to post With such dexterity to incestuous sheets! It is not nor it cannot come to good: But break, my heart; for I must hold my tongue. SHOEPNHAUER: The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight-and-twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important. It is by virtue of man’s reasoning powers that he does not live in the present only, like the brute, but observes and ponders over the past and future; and from this spring discretion, care, and that anxiety which we so frequently notice in people. The advantages, as well as the disadvantages, that this entails, make woman, in consequence of her weaker reasoning powers, less of a partaker in them. Moreover, she is intellectually short-sighted, for although her intuitive understanding quickly perceives what is near to her, on the other hand her circle of vision is limited and does not embrace anything that is remote; hence everything that is absent or past, or in the future, affects women in a less degree than men. This is why they have greater inclination for extravagance, which sometimes borders on madness. Women in their hearts think that men are intended to earn money so that they may spend it, if possible during their husband’s lifetime, but at any rate after his death. As soon as he has given them his earnings on which to keep house they are strengthened in this belief. Although all this entails many disadvantages, yet it has this advantage—that a woman lives more in the present than a man, and that she enjoys it more keenly if it is at all bearable. This is the origin of that cheerfulness which is peculiar to woman and makes her fit to divert man, and in case of need, to console him when he is weighed down by cares. To consult women in matters of difficulty, as the Germans used to do in old times, is by no means a matter to be overlooked; for their way of grasping a thing is quite different from ours, chiefly because they like the shortest way to the point, and usually keep their attention fixed upon what lies nearest; while we, as a rule, see beyond it, for the simple reason that it lies under our nose; it then becomes necessary for us to be brought back to the thing in order to obtain a near and simple view. This is why women are more sober in their judgment than we, and why they see nothing more in things than is really there; while we, if our passions are roused, slightly exaggerate or add to our imagination. It is because women’s reasoning powers are weaker that they show more sympathy for the unfortunate than men, and consequently take a kindlier interest in them. On the other hand, women are inferior to men in matters of justice, honesty, and conscientiousness. Again, because their reasoning faculty is weak, things clearly visible and real, and belonging to the present, exercise a power over them which is rarely counteracted by abstract thoughts, fixed maxims, or firm resolutions, in general, by regard for the past and future or by consideration for what is absent and remote. Accordingly they have the first and principal qualities of virtue, but they lack the secondary qualities which are often a necessary instrument in developing it. Women may be compared in this respect to an organism that has a liver but no gall-bladder.9 So that it will be found that the fundamental fault in the character of women is that they have no “sense of justice.” This arises from their deficiency in the power of reasoning already referred to, and reflection, but is also partly due to the fact that Nature has not destined them, as the weaker sex, to be dependent on strength but on cunning; this is why they are instinctively crafty, and have an ineradicable tendency to lie. For as lions are furnished with claws and teeth, elephants with tusks, boars with fangs, bulls with horns, and the cuttlefish with its dark, inky fluid, so Nature has provided woman for her protection and defence with the faculty of dissimulation, and all the power which Nature has given to man in the form of bodily strength and reason has been conferred on woman in this form. Hence, dissimulation is innate in woman and almost as characteristic of the very stupid as of the clever. Accordingly, it is as natural for women to dissemble at every opportunity as it is for those animals to turn to their weapons when they are attacked; and they feel in doing so that in a certain measure they are only making use of their rights. Therefore a woman who is perfectly truthful and does not dissemble is perhaps an impossibility. This is why they see through dissimulation in others so easily; therefore it is not advisable to attempt it with them. From the fundamental defect that has been stated, and all that it involves, spring falseness, faithlessness, treachery, ungratefulness, and so on. In a court of justice women are more often found guilty of perjury than men. It is indeed to be generally questioned whether they should be allowed to take an oath at all. From time to time there are repeated cases everywhere of ladies, who want for nothing, secretly pocketing and taking away things from shop counters. HAMLET: OPHELIA Good my lord, How does your honour for this many a day? HAMLET I humbly thank you; well, well, well. OPHELIA My lord, I have remembrances of yours, That I have longed long to re-deliver; I pray you, now receive them. HAMLET No, not I; I never gave you aught. OPHELIA My honour’d lord, you know right well you did; And, with them, words of so sweet breath composed As made the things more rich: their perfume lost, Take these again; for to the noble mind Rich gifts wax poor when givers prove unkind. There, my lord. HAMLET Ha, ha! are you honest? OPHELIA My lord? HAMLET Are you fair? OPHELIA What means your lordship? HAMLET That if you be honest and fair, your honesty should admit no discourse to your beauty. OPHELIA Could beauty, my lord, have better commerce than with honesty? HAMLET Ay, truly; for the power of beauty will sooner transform honesty from what it is to a bawd than the force of honesty can translate beauty into his likeness: this was sometime a paradox, but now the time gives it proof. I did love you once. OPHELIA Indeed, my lord, you made me believe so. HAMLET You should not have believed me; for virtue cannot so inoculate our old stock but we shall relish of it: I loved you not. OPHELIA I was the more deceived. HAMLET Get thee to a nunnery: why wouldst thou be a breeder of sinners? I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offences at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us. Go thy ways to a nunnery. Where’s your father? SHOPENHAUER: In India no woman is ever independent, but each one stands under the control of her father or her husband, or brother or son, in accordance with the law of Manu. It is certainly a revolting idea that widows should sacrifice themselves on their husband’s dead body; but it is also revolting that the money which the husband has earned by working diligently for all his life, in the hope that he was working for his children, should be wasted on her paramours. Medium tenuere beati. The first love of a mother, as that of animals and men, is purely instinctive, and consequently ceases when the child is no longer physically helpless. After that, the first love should be reinstated by a love based on habit and reason; but this often does not appear, especially where the mother has not loved the father. The love of a father for his children is of a different nature and more sincere; it is founded on a recognition of his own inner self in the child, and is therefore metaphysical in its origin. In almost every nation, both of the new and old world, and even among the Hottentots, property is inherited by the male descendants alone; it is only in Europe that one has departed from this. That the property which men have with difficulty acquired by long-continued struggling and hard work should afterwards come into the hands of women, who, in their want of reason, either squander it within a short time or otherwise waste it, is an injustice as great as it is common, and it should be prevented by limiting the right of women to inherit. It seems to me that it would be a better arrangement if women, be they widows or daughters, only inherited the money for life secured by mortgage, but not the property itself or the capital, unless there lacked male descendants. It is men who make the money, and not women; therefore women are neither justified in having unconditional possession of it nor capable of administrating it. Women should never have the free disposition of wealth, strictly so-called, which they may inherit, such as capital, houses, and estates. They need a guardian always; therefore they should not have the guardianship of their children under any circumstances whatever. The vanity of women, even if it should not be greater than that of men, has this evil in it, that it is directed on material things—that is to say, on their personal beauty and then on tinsel, pomp, and show. This is why they are in their right element in society. This it is which makes them inclined to be extravagant, especially since they possess little reasoning power. Accordingly, an ancient writer says, [Greek: Gunae to synolon esti dapanaeron physei].10 Men’s vanity, on the other hand, is often directed on non-material advantages, such as intellect, learning, courage, and the like. Aristotle explains in thePolitics11 the great disadvantages which the Spartans brought upon themselves by granting too much to their women, by allowing them the right of inheritance and dowry, and a great amount of freedom; and how this contributed greatly to the fall of Sparta. May it not be that the influence of women in France, which has been increasing since Louis XIII.‘s time, was to blame for that gradual corruption of the court and government which led to the first Revolution, of which all subsequent disturbances have been the result? In any case, the false position of the female sex, so conspicuously exposed by the existence of the “lady,” is a fundamental defect in our social condition, and this defect, proceeding from the very heart of it, must extend its harmful influence in every direction. That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest. lzozolzl good thing that the GBFM is a RICH NOBL MILITARY OFFICER in my ARMY OF ONE lzozlzlzllozozooz dat is ONE LOTATSSA COCKASZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lzozozozozoz THE GREAT BOOKS TEACH GAMEZZZ!!! the following is from: http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/whatathenianmensaid.htm “1) Aristotle said that man is by nature superior to the female and so the man should rule and the woman should be ruled.[1] 2) Demosthenes wrote “We keep hetaerae for the sake of pleasure, females slaves for our daily care and wives to give us legitimate children and to be the guardians of our households.”[2] 3) “A man who teaches a woman to write should know that he is providing poison to an asp.”[3] 4) Euripides has women characters make disparaging remarks about their sex: a) I am only a woman, a thing which the world hates.[4] b) No cure has been found for a woman’s venom, worse than that of reptiles. We are a curse to man.[5] c) Men of sense should never let gossiping women visit their wives, for they work mischief.[6] 5) Hipponax, whose writing is quite abusive anyway, had this to say about women: “There are two days on which a woman is most pleasing—when someone marries her and when he carries out her dead body.”[7] This aphorism probably should be ignored, coming as it does from a Sixth Century BCE Ephesian whose malicious temperament left him with few friends in the land of his birth and very little good to say about anyone, but the remark is quoted too often today to be left out. 6) Hyperides said, “A woman who travels outside her house should be old enough that people ask whose mother she is, not whose wife she is.”[8] 7) In his Funeral Speech Pericles said, “A woman’s reputation is highest when men say little about her, whether it be good or evil.”[9] It seems clear, then, that Athenians saw women as beguiling creatures capable of causing considerable harm to themselves and others, and weaker in mind and body than men. Many believed that young girls were somewhat wild and difficult to control and that virgins were subject to hallucinations that could encourage them to be self-destructive. The solution was an early marriage, for only after a woman had delivered her first baby could she be a fully-operational female. “ zlzozozlolzoz ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER READ HTE GRET BOOKS FOR MEN WOULD STATE THAT THE GREAT BOKS 4 MENZ DO NOT TEACH GAMEZ Zlzolzlzlz Th following is form: http://www.womenintheancientworld.com/women%20and%20the%20law%20in%20ancient%20israel.htm “WOMEN AND THE LAW IN ANCIENT ISRAEL The Ancient Hebrew law code outlined in the Bible unfortunately lacks the detail that can be found in other ancient legal systems such as the Babylonian and Roman, but we can at least summarize the general principles. 1. Marriage was called “taking a wife” 2. It involved sexual intercourse 3. While there was no death penalty in Hebrew law for property crimes, adultery was a capital offence for both participants. 4. Marriage and children were necessary to have a fulfilled life. A childless woman could call herself a mother by giving her maid-servant to her husband as a second wife (assuming, of course, the maid-servant did indeed produce a child). 5. A widow had the right to marry her husband’s brother if he lived in the same town. 6. Polygyny was permitted but uncommon. 7. Divorce was easy for a man and impossible for a woman. 8. Childlessness was the most common reason for divorce 9. The woman moved to the husband’s home and family 10. While the husband was clearly the boss, each expected love from the other and a wife had the legal right to support.” ONE OF THE MOST HILARIOUS THINGZZ IS HOW SO MANY FATHERLESS RITALIN RAISED PUSUSYSYSYYSS FANBOYZ SAY “WELL THE GREAT BOOKS TEACH NOTHING OF GAMEZZZ lzozozlzolz” THIS IS WHY THE MODERN CHURCHIANZ HAVE BANISHED THE BIBLEZ: lzozozzozo http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/womens_rights.html “Genesis 3:16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Isaiah 3:12As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. 1 Corinthians 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 14:34-36Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Ephesians 5:22-24Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Colossians 3:18Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. 1 Timothy 2:11-15Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing. Titus 2:4-5Teach the young women to be … obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. 1 Peter 3:1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.” SOMEDAY WHEN ALL D PUASZ GET BORED WITH STERILE BUTTOCKINGZ SESSIOZN tehy will return to d a GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ RENAISSANZESZ zlzlzlzllzlzlzz ‘Tis why the PUAs also hate HOMER and SOCRATESZ and CICERO. Here’s a list of books the PUAS hate and detest and regularly attack, excoriate, and vote down so as to please the central banking feminsista fanboyz who rule over them via butt tingzlzozoz: 0. THE BIBLE 1. Homer’s Iliad 2. Homer’s Odyssey 3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms 4. Virgil’s Aeneid 5. Socrates’ Apology 6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible 7. Plato’s Repulic 8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic 9. Aristotle’s Poetics 10. Dante’s Inferno 11. The Declaration of Independence 12. The Constitution 13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost 14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet 15. Newton’s Principia 16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments 17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden 18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work) 19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet 20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit 21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom 22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick 23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity 24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth 25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed 26. THE BIBLE :LZOZOZOZZOL HONOR YOUR FATHERS: HONOR THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN! READ THE GREAT BOOKS! LZOZOZLOZOLZOLZOZ (TM) zlozozolzolzlzo The renaissance hath begun. As Athena called Telemachus to adventure–to sail forth and learn the news of His True Father Odysseus, so too does GBFM call upon ye to man up, sail forth, and learn the news of your true Fathers. Like Hamlet you came of age in a world where your father–THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–had been murdered. Where they had been debauched, debased, bernenekfified out of the fiat-debt curriculum. And just as Hamlet’s Father called upon Him to Avenge his Death and Set the World Right, so too do I call upon all of ye buton-mashing gamersz and manboob betasz churchians to Man Up and Honor Your True Fathers. Like Odysseus’s son Telemachus you came of age in a house occupied by false suitors trying to buttehxt your mom Penelope alongside your future wife, deosuling her faster than Bill Bennett can gamble away a million dollars in Vegas. You came of age in a home absent of your true Father–Odysseus and THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Like Telemachus and Hamlet, you were born to know of your Fathers and do the work of your Fathers, as did Jesus. And like Jesus, you were born into a fallen world occupied by arrogant neeoconth Scribes and Pharisees, lorded over by intellectually-indifferent Pontius Pilates, ruled by mobs (and female prison wardensz lzozlz) who vote to set the murderer free, while sending Jesus to die upon the Cross. But all of that was then, and This is Now. Do not fail to Honor your Fathers by neglecting to live for the Classical, Epic Honor that so many of them not only Lived for, but Died For. Do not turn away from the vast Gifts they bequeathed you with–THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS. Begin today, begin today, all ye fanboyz mashing buttonz in your single-mom’s basements, all you PUA artsitsz trying to get your occkas wet in sterile bungholez and sterilized ginaholez made sterile by the fed’s before and morning after pillz. Begin today, all my fatherless, ritalin-addicted, gold-farming sons and READ the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Learn of the HONOR of your FATHERS form Achilles and Moses on down. The tiny-cckcoaaks white-knighting Churchians will scowl and stamp their feet and scream at you that Jesus cam to Abolish the Law, while Jesus himself stated that He came to Fulfill it. When you were a child ye partook in childish things–in mashing buttons in your meaningless videogamez. But now that you are a Man, it is time to Man Up, which does not mean marrying a babebrnekified beenrnakified butethxted, desouled, single monz, but reading THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Begin today my firendz. BEGIINZ TODAYZ. I propose that a renaissance in the Great Books and Classics is needed so as to re-instill a more traditional Code of Honor which will enrich the lives of men, women, and children, and liberate us all from the debt-financed debauchery, deconstruction, and debasement. All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest: 0. THE BIBLE 1. Homer’s Iliad 2. Homer’s Odyssey 3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms 4. Virgil’s Aeneid 5. Socrates’ Apology 6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible 7. Plato’s Repulic 8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic 9. Aristotle’s Poetics 10. Dante’s Inferno 11. The Declaration of Independence 12. The Constitution 13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost 14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet 15. Newton’s Principia 16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments 17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden 18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work) 19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet 20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit 21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom 22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick 23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity 24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth 25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed 26. THE BIBLE And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*. what is the manosphere? da manosphere summarzied by daGBFM Da Manosphere circa 2013 zlzozozl (1) Man up and marry those buttocked sluts (Blue Pill William Bennett) (2) Build a life of butthext buttthexting beta’s future wives lzlzozozlz (PUA) (3) Forsake butthext and all owners of said buttholizozlzlzo (MGTOW) (4) Be patient and pray 4 da buttcocking to stop (Traditional) (5) Try to stop the buttehxting from within da matrix (MRA) (6) Let them eat bbutthext. (Neocon) (7) She says she’s only been buttehxted seven times by four guys and is as good as new as she repented and da minister forgave her as he was one of da four guysz. (Churchian) (8) voyage beyond da butthext and Read the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN and restore honor to civilization via a renaissance lzlzlozlz. (GBFMster) “Earl says: May 15, 2013 at 12:55 pm I think manosphere should be renamed to GBFMOSPHERE. That will solve everything.” “Beefy Levinson says: May 15, 2013 at 1:09 pm I second Earl. Discovering the manosphere was a good thing for me, but soaking up the wisdom of DA GBFM lzzozozozololzozozzolol is even better!” YESSSS!!!! IT WODL SOLVE IT ALLA!!!! LL!! lzozlzzoozozoz lzozozzozozooz Ultimately, the Manosphere marches towards one, exalted Goal: The Great Books for Men All our troubles could be solved And the decline opposed and halted were we only to return to the MORAL CODES OF HONOR set forth by our FATHERS by MOSES, HOMER, ACHILLES, ODYSSSUES, SOCRATES, and JESUS. Were our courts and churches and universities infused with the SPIRIT OF MOSES, HOMER, ACHILLES, ODYSSSUES, SOCRATES, and JESUS then the family would be exalted once again alongside civilization and all that is good. When the CHURCHIANS stop raging against HOMER, MOSES, AND JESUS And the PUAs pick up HOMER, MOSES, and JESUS instead of skanky butcocked skankz Then shall the renaissance dawn And then shall we join our NOBLE FATHERS in HONORING THAT WHICH WAS CREATED OF, BY, AND FOR MEN THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS so that MEN could guide and exalt society manifest civilization and render JUST AND MORAL IDEALS REAL. lzozozlzlzolzzl LZOZOZOZZOL HONOR YOUR FATHERS: HONOR THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN! READ THE GREAT BOOKS! LZOZOZLOZOLZOLZOZ (TM) zlozozolzolzlzo The renaissance hath begun. As Athena called Telemachus to adventure–to sail forth and learn the news of His True Father Odysseus, so too does GBFM call upon ye to man up, sail forth, and learn the news of your true Fathers. Like Hamlet you came of age in a world where your father–THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–had been murdered. Where they had been debauched, debased, bernenekfified out of the fiat-debt curriculum. And just as Hamlet’s Father called upon Him to Avenge his Death and Set the World Right, so too do I call upon all of ye buton-mashing gamersz and manboob betasz churchians to Man Up and Honor Your True Fathers. Like Odysseus’s son Telemachus you came of age in a house occupied by false suitors trying to buttehxt your mom Penelope alongside your future wife, deosuling her faster than Bill Bennett can gamble away a million dollars in Vegas. You came of age in a home absent of your true Father–Odysseus and THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Like Telemachus and Hamlet, you were born to know of your Fathers and do the work of your Fathers, as did Jesus. And like Jesus, you were born into a fallen world occupied by arrogant neeoconth Scribes and Pharisees, lorded over by intellectually-indifferent Pontius Pilates, ruled by mobs (and female prison wardensz lzozlz) who vote to set the murderer free, while sending Jesus to die upon the Cross. But all of that was then, and This is Now. Do not fail to Honor your Fathers by neglecting to live for the Classical, Epic Honor that so many of them not only Lived for, but Died For. Do not turn away from the vast Gifts they bequeathed you with–THE GREAT BOOKS AND CLASSICS. Begin today, begin today, all ye fanboyz mashing buttonz in your single-mom’s basements, all you PUA artsitsz trying to get your occkas wet in sterile bungholez and sterilized ginaholez made sterile by the fed’s before and morning after pillz. Begin today, all my fatherless, ritalin-addicted, gold-farming sons and READ the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Learn of the HONOR of your FATHERS form Achilles and Moses on down. The tiny-cckcoaaks white-knighting Churchians will scowl and stamp their feet and scream at you that Jesus cam to Abolish the Law, while Jesus himself stated that He came to Fulfill it. When you were a child ye partook in childish things–in mashing buttons in your meaningless videogamez. But now that you are a Man, it is time to Man Up, which does not mean marrying a babebrnekified beenrnakified butethxted, desouled, single monz, but reading THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN. Begin today my firendz. BEGIINZ TODAYZ. I propose that a renaissance in the Great Books and Classics is needed so as to re-instill a more traditional Code of Honor which will enrich the lives of men, women, and children, and liberate us all from the debt-financed debauchery, deconstruction, and debasement. All men should begin immediately by reading the following books which the central bankers and their fellow churchians hate, fear, and detest: 0. THE BIBLE 1. Homer’s Iliad 2. Homer’s Odyssey 3. Exodus & Ecclesiastes & The Psalms 4. Virgil’s Aeneid 5. Socrates’ Apology 6. The Book of Matthew & Jefferson’s Bible 7. Plato’s Repulic 8. Seneca’s Letters from a Stoic 9. Aristotle’s Poetics 10. Dante’s Inferno 11. The Declaration of Independence 12. The Constitution 13. John Milton’s Paradise Lost 14. Shakespeare’s Hamlet 15. Newton’s Principia 16. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments 17. Henry David Thoreau’s Walden 18. Mark Twain’s Huckleberry Finn (& all of his work) 19. Shakespeare’s Hamlet 20. Ludwig von Mises’ A Theory of Money and Credit 21. F.A. Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom 22. Herman Melville’s Moby Dick 23. Einstein’s The Meaning of Relativity 24. Joseph Campbell’s The Hero With a Thousand Faces and The Power of Myth 25. Ron Paul’s Revolution & End the Fed 26. THE BIBLE And as men are reading the Great Books for Men, they must start enacting their principles in the living world, so as to exalt our legal system and universities, for it is not enough to think and read, but virtue is ultimately defined by *action*. in bloated william bennet’s “book of man,” he leaves out the heart and soul of western civilization. a better name for bennet’s book would have been, “the book of fanboy manginas.” lzozozozolzolozoz in bloated william bennet’s “book of man,” he leaves out the heart and soul of western civilization. a better name for bennet’s book would have been, “the book of fanboy manginas.” jesus battled with the old, pedantic, dead-souled scribes in matthew 23, for which he was put to death. king leonidas had to consult with the corrupt, rotting, old counsel. in braveheart robert the bruce’s corrupt father had a face of rotting flesh. bill bennet reminds me of all of these, after a seven-day vegas-bender whence millions of fiat dollars, earned from an insincere, copy-and-paste “book of virtues” were gambled away. ye shall know them by their fruits, it has been written, and bill bennet is the godfather of all the debt and debauchery–of all the divorce and destitution–of the incessant asscocking, buttcocking, and desouling of the culture and currency–of the false, fiat virtues he is paid fiat dollarz to espouse and promote as the hollow man blimps up on CNN. bennet ignores the central, exalted message of genesis, and then ups the ante (as a gambling addict) by debauching and debasing the iliad faster than a neocon can debase a dollar to fund the perpetual warfare/welfare state. to top it all off, bennet ignores the most-decorated war veteran of all time in his “book of fanboy manginas.” completely absent from bennet’s book is the awesome work of the jews in genesis: 14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. in the classical, judeo-christian, chivalric context, a man would man up as he would be guaranteed a non-asscocked, chaste woman who be shamed out of not acting on and serving every gina tingle and butt tingle. instead of serving her butt and gina tingles, a woman would be expected to serve god, man, and family. for this, she would be honored in a civilized context, and she would realize her greater mythology as a mother, wife, and grandmother, instead of an asscocked, aging spinster with cats, working to expand the fed’s debt alongside her ass. completely absent from bennet’s book is the divine RAGE of ACHILLES–the very center and circumference of homer’s iliad. the first word of the iliad is RAGE, as achilles is robbed of his prize and property by his commander; and so, his anger ignited, achilles quits the greek army in the first showdown between man and state. zeus sides with achilles, exalting the Natural Law that John Locke and Thomas Jefferson would someday exalt in their respective poetry–the very same Natural Law that Moses exalted when he rebelled against the corrupt Pharoah–the Natural Law that William Bennet detests in all his blundering ignorance regarding the monetary system which robs the common man and places future generations in debt to send today’s best and brightest to die on foreign shores in foreign wars. achilles rages as he reasons, “if i’m the one fighting, doing all the work, why are you–the king and his william bennett vegas cronies who never ‘buckle on armor’ getting all the rewards?” indeed, so might a marine wonder these days, if he’s taking all the risks for a few hundred dollars a month, why does bill bennet get to sit back home in vegas, gambling millions away while ballooning up like a big old blimp of debauched, foul hot air? so it is that bill bennet is working for the fiat bankers in all his blustering, bloating books, which serve far more to debauch and desecrate–to contort and confuse–than they do to exalt and enlighten. why isn’t bill bennet telling all the army-wives to “woman up” and stop with the buttcocking adultery, and serve their men with loyalty as Yahweh commands them to, and as Penelope does in Homer’s Odyssey? It’s because bennet is well-paid in fiat dollar to hate on homer, the bible, and the honorable serviceman like ron paul, while bennett himself never served in any branch of the armed forces. CNN rewards him for his supreme ignorance of the spirit on the Great Books and Classics, which he makes his arrogance. finally, bill bennet, who “never buckled on armor nor suited up for battle” in the words of achilles, also ignores the most-decorated general of our own era–the noble Smedley Butler: [quote] “War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” In another often cited quote from the book Butler says: I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. [/quote] –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket –War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a booklet, by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler. In them, Butler frankly discusses from his experience as a career military officer how business interests commercially benefit from warfare. Compare warrior Smedley’s words to those of Achilles, who also questions the utility of war for the heroic soul: [quote] Ulysses, noble son of Laertes, I should give you formal notice plainly and in all fixity of purpose that there be no more of this cajoling, from whatsoever quarter it may come. Him do I hate even as the gates of hell who says one thing while he hides another in his heart; therefore I will say what I mean. I will be appeased neither by Agamemnon son of Atreus nor by any other of the Danaans, for I see that I have no thanks for all my fighting. He that fights fares no better than he that does not; coward and hero are held in equal honour, and death deals like measure to him who works and him who is idle. I have taken nothing by all my hardships- with my life ever in my hand; as a bird when she has found a morsel takes it to her nestlings, and herself fares hardly, even so man a long night have I been wakeful, and many a bloody battle have I waged by day against those who were fighting for their women. With my ships I have taken twelve cities, and eleven round about Troy have I stormed with my men by land; I took great store of wealth from every one of them, but I gave all up to Agamemnon son of Atreus. He stayed where he was by his ships, yet of what came to him he gave little, and kept much himself. [/quote] And so you see why the gambling, warmongering, chicken-hawk, mysandric, soulless Bennett is calling upon men to man up while debauching and deconstructing their heritage–it is because, at the fiat baneker’s behest, he needs the men to take all the risk, while bennet and the fiat bankers get all the rewards, celebrating their conquest of other men’s future wives with the famous buttocker and secretive taper of butthext tucker max rhymes with goldman sax, who the weekly standard casts as a six-foot tall hero, repeating the butthexer’s lies, while ignoring the true, selfless heroism of those Achilles and Smedley Butlers fighting and dying on foreign shores in foreign fiat wars. In his later years, Thomas Jefferson wrote, “They all fall off, one by one, until one is left with Virgil and Homer, and perhaps Homer alone.” Jefferson advocated the gold standard and railed against central banks. Jefferson penned the Declaration of Independence. And so you can see that William Bennett is a Judas, selling out Jefferson, Virgil, and Homer, all for a few fiat dollars and short-lived fame. Nay–he is worse than Judas, as at least Judas was paid in Silver, while William Bennet is paid in fiat debt for his soulless, ignorant debauchery, which he gambles away as sure as tomorrow is a new day. lzoozozolzozozz how the federal reserve system created the PUA community lzozlzlzloozlzllzll!! they DO NO wan t the men to read mises or hayek or jefferson or the us constitution lzozlzlzlz they want to keep the men in the fiat masters’ cave — the fiat butthex matrix — “gaming” and fighting over the table scraps of all the desoulaed, haggaard, std-ridden, vicious, gold-digging, cold, defeminized, prozac-addled womenz the fiat masters buttthexed and deosuled in college during teh primae nocate ceremeonies, instead of manning up and fighting for their dvine irght to something far greater — an honorable, virtuous wife. lzozllzllzllzozzlz Like This! Add to FacebookAdd to DiggAdd to Del.icio.usAdd to StumbleuponAdd to RedditAdd to BlinklistAdd to TwitterAdd to TechnoratiAdd to Yahoo BuzzAdd to Newsvine omg i cannot beleive how many betas think that peacocking and wearring furry hats like mystery is being an alpha! lzozllzlz it’s almost as bad as neocons trying to herald and exalt secrteive tapers of sodomy as butthexual heroes while repeating the butthexers and secretive tapers of butthexer’s lies in their “conservative” magaiznes lzozlzozlzlzlzl. omg it makes me lzolzlzozzlozol so hard that my ribs hurt zlozlzlzl anyways teh federal resevre system not only creates money form thin air but that money is debt based and thus they can charge interest on it zlzozolzl and bankrupt and vampire suck an entiure oucntry of not only its property but its soul which is why neocon womenzs encourage young girls ot lust after undead vampire monsters in twilight who wear way too much makeup lzozlzozlzl and make the teen gina tingles lingles as teh federal reserve dicattes that all of entirety must be ruled by gina tingles and thus when a owmenz gina tingles in marriage she should act on it as the fed ahas funded and trained lawyers abd judgeds to seize her husbands promperty ieven if she is found fuciki9ng his best firend ojn tehir coffee table when he comes home agter a hard day;s work zlozlzlz the entire feminist moveement was created to expand teh police state into the home turning mwomenz against their husbands shidlerns god and the fmaily and the unborn as the neoocns trained put womenz on the front linez of their preemeptive war against the unborn in which women gallently and heroically murdered 50,000,000 unborn since roe vs. wade and were rewarded with lotsa butthex on demand from tgeh neocons favorite secrteive tapers of butthex for doing so lzozlzozlzozzlozzlozzlzozzlzozo. the neocns are good at math an dthey calcualted and determined it would be cheaper to train women to kill their kids and seize tehir husband;s property than it would be to train an army of jack booted thugs to dod so lzozlzozlzlzlzozoz and also the neoncs could have the womenz wear skirts and makeup and act like innocent little girls just killing their unborn chicldren for the greater good of humanity as it is chepar to hire pre-grown mexican labor wall stereet determined and claulated, tahn it is to take owmen out fo the fiat masters workforce to rais etheir own chidlren. so how does this relate to the PUA movement?>?!?!? i’m getting there so clam the fuck down!! many of youse have been rwsiased on ritalin with no dads to tell you to fucking work hard and fucking shut up and fucking pay attention, and thus you act like little ritalain addicts which is the way the fed wants tit mashing buttons in your menaingless videogames in your single mom’s basmemnt turning up the playsattion volume to drown out the sounds of your mom upstairs banging biker cock which teh fed funds anmd encourages to put it in her butt and which your real dad is forced to pay for and asubsidize after he cuaght her cheating with the pool boy lzozlzlzlzllz and never nmanning up and going forth and finidg your true ftahers and the reading the constitution for yourself nor homers odyssey in which telemanchus must also rid his mhome of teh false suitors and teh us constitution which states that only congeress shall eb able to coin money and that it must be gold or silver but not fiat butthexing paper lzozlzlzozlzlzlzlz. anywaz so the fed desouls womenz form an early age via numerous methods: 1) the slutting up of teen pop culture heroes lzozlzlzolzzlolzlzl brittany and now miley as disney is used to baiut and witch and sluttify children zlzozlzlzl 2) teh asscocking and anal sexing of girls with the assockcers and secrteive tapers of butthex who lie about tehir heiaght and are short, lying, douchbages being promoted as heores, while those bleeding to death in the neocns wars on foreign shores are ignored lzozlzlzlzzlzo 3) the constant barrage of ant-soul eductaion telling girls that their strong father who is trying to keep the short, lying docuhebag’s cock out of her ass and teh storng father who would beat the shit out of the assocker and short, lying secretive taper of butthex is really just oprressing her, and after ahwiel girls really ebgin to beleiev that teh fiat dollar is god and that ass cocking is tehir divine right and that any one who comes out agiants secrteiev tapings of asscockinsg is really just repressed. lzozlzlz 4) freud took everyying virtuius like love and committment and refusing temptations and labe LikeLike
      • on November 13, 2014 at 2:16 am Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        I heard a rumor that when he crosses the Pearly Gates into Heaven, GBFM will be presented with a bill. Calculated same as a Singing Telegram…. by wordcount.

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      • I wanted to go look at your other writings again.. and I found that da GBFM’s blog had been deleted! WordPress brought the hammer down for a violation of TOS???

        It’s a shame, because I was hoping that future philosopher kings would look to the writings of GBFM for guidance and understanding, but it appears that many are now lost.

        Is there a GBFM archive anywhere? Did anyone save any of it? This shit is epic poetry for the internet age.

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      • So I get the whole inflation of the value of marriage due to butthex and gina tingles. But how does transfer of wealth occur from man to the state? It’s the wife that gets alimony. Please school me Gbfm. And tell me you’ll have a new blog up soon.

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  2. ya, I agree. the medium is the message here. discrete text after hours…she’s trollin for the D.

    that said, I’d never even get close to any type of trainer/meathead/gymrat either female as the object of my desire, or her male meathead BF. loads of insecurity and “lets you and him fight” drama IMO. almost worse than cops and soldiers. and i’v banged a ton of attached chicks from all three.

    now a hiker/backpacker/marathon runner……yummy!

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    • Tilikium’s got the ticket, purchased with a coin I don’t recognize.

      Here’s my evaluation.

      Don’t date women with whom you do business. If she want your D, then she’s not your personal trainer. If she’s a good personal trainer, you’ll seek pussy elsewhere.

      File under “Don’t shit where you eat.”

      Regarding the specific text message: do not reply. Ignore the message. Claim you didn’t receive it. Avoid the topic. If she presses the issue, plainly explain that you value her advice in the gym and don’t intend to compromise that with any entanglements. If she’s really interested, she has to quit working where you train.

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      • Its drama, plain and simple.

        She either needs validation, or sympathy, and while you may slam her out, the reality is this will come back to bite you in a lot of cases such as you develop feelings and she was just using you.

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      • Exactly what erudite knight said. The same thing just happened to me, with some variation. I approached a barista, got her number, expected nothing to come of it. Started talking and learned she had a boyfriend she was on the outs with. We were hanging out for a bit and I started to like her. Eventually I got her in bed. Right after, she goes cold and acts like she hardly knows me.

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      • …and spit in your coffee?

        good coffee > good pussy

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      • > “Don’t date women with whom you do business.”

        You don’t have to date her but there’s no reason you can’t use the OPPORTUNITY to weasel your way into her inner circle and start fucking her BFFs or her BFFs’ BFFs. And then a few years from now, after you’ve fucked several of them, and she feels it’s safe, she’ll say “You know, back in the day, you and I never hooked up…” Bottom Line: A true Playah [which is to say, a Sociopath] never forgoes an opportunity to roam new hunting grounds.

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      • @ ZS: Your level of attraction to the opposite sex is inversely proportionate to the number of opposite sex friends you have that you are not banging. Women are not for being friends with.

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      • “…the OPPORTUNITY to weasel your way into her inner circle and start fucking her BFFs or her BFFs’ BFFs.”

        ^^^forgot that^^^

        There are occasional reasons to imitate a beta orbiter…

        “she’ll say ‘You know, back in the day, you and I never hooked up…'”

        _had_ a sociopath friend who played this exactly to ZS’s script, and screwed the “personal trainer” last every time. Women just can’t stand being left out of the fucking. Go figure.

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      • Tinder fantasies aside, the best way to score teh smokin hawt snatch is to get physically CLOSE to teh smokin hawt snatch. You can spend your entire life whacking off to the daydream of the tanned toned HB8+ gym bunnies lying around the deck at the pool party, but the True Playah is always working to get his toe in the door as a first step towards being INVITED to the pool party. Then once you’re finally on the inside, you start working your Dark Triad Evil Black Magix. But you gotta get inside first.

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      • One other thought – if you’re in a situation where good judgement precludes you from dipping your own stick in it, and if you’ve got a righteous bro who is in a dry spell and who is losing confidence in himself, then you can set them up and let him get his stick wet for a change.

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    • Ehhhh, I hate drama. I like the thought of a woman being so coyed up, that she goes straight for it. Of course, I am not as young as I use to be. So I have been down numerous roads with the vagina-logues underhandedness.

      For me, the best thing to do is not say anything. If she presses the matter, display coy-shit-eating-grin, and act like you don’t know what she is talking about. Without outing yourself, discern what type of dame she is, if you don’t already know.

      If drama whore, abandon without or without anger bang. In the end, whether the soon-to-be-ex rages or devil may cares, the drama will not be worth it. Find new trainer.

      If she is a “good girl,” ask yourself “Then why the hell would she be trying this with me?” Proceed to step one.

      If, by some once in a billion chance, she is a “good girl,” why would you expect anything from her? I fail to understand the lapse of logic after at least a decade of game theory being scientifically laid bare for all to see; men still pedastalize these bitches? If she is a good girl, she will find out on her own, and not text you about it. You will never know that she had a bad break-up, she will not use you like a beta tampon, and you will get that vag when it is good and ready to move on. If it is even remotely worth the vaginal destruction session to begin with. Who really wants a sappy drama queen anyways? This asker seems beta.

      The only thing this genius will get is most likely a cheap, unsatisfying lay, and a whole mountain range of heartache drama that she will relish, and he will hate the day he was born.

      They are trash, shame as such.

      If she is a good girl, and a trainer, she will have thousands of suiters to compete with, and most likely, not have a player-cad to contend with.

      [CH: doubtful. hot chicks are hit on less than most men think. and “player-cads” are attractive to women, however that might grate.]

      How many of those are even left nowadays?

      [there’s a lot of moralizing in this thread. i’m not necessarily opposed to the soapbox, but the OP just wants to know how to bang her.]

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      • I agree with your statement, but you misread what I said. I said an actual “good girl.” Who is also hot.

        I have one, and I have dated several. I do not take it on first take though. In HS, dated a Ms. “My state.” Very hot, a lithe young body that I enjoyed tremendously.

        But a good girl, she was not. Though she could keep the act going for months.

        I found her out as an act, no cheating that I know of or cared about as I broke it off out of boredom, and went to greener pastures.

        I also said “suitors,” which includes pretty much everybody. Not just aspiring or actual alphas. I know that numerous men have tried to take several of these girls I have been with, being an alpha cad myself I know you are right about supposed “good girls,” but the real, true good girl is a rare find. Understandable that men of varied interests would all take note.

        Men of all types can compete, but it is the man that every other woman wants that she goes for. I know from personal experience that good girls can go bad. It is more timing, and having amazing character that sets a good girl apart from the rest.

        I gave no moralizing. There is no moral high ground on a site like this. Calling a woman a whore here, who can play men, is like high praise from one competitor to another on the opposing team.

        Merely one player admiring another. Or several.

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  3. Bravo. In a sane world, boys would be required to pass an exam on this to graduate junior high.

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  4. Reply text:

    “8:00 at joes bar on 5th st”

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  5. “I think my boyfriend is cheating on me” = automatic disqualification for a LTR with this ho

    Quick bang and get out. Bitches that run from one man to another have no use beyond pump and dump.

    My reply would be a dick pic, just get it over with.

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    • ?? women are ALWAYS moving from one man to another… this is classic monkey branch female strategy unfolding here. Never let go of one branch (cheater) until you have a firm grip on the other (client).

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    • True. After you get to use to higher quality beer, and don’t have the “thirst,” you tend to never go back down to beer flavored water.

      So to with women. Once you get a Guiness, Lablatt’s blue, or Heineken; why the hell would you go for something best left to soak your brats in?

      Either you have hit a dry spell like a man who just made it through the Sahara by foot; or you never got to player status to begin with.

      Why do we forget our initial lessons from the school of hard knocks? And also, why do we still fail to gift fool’s the need of their remedial summer school lessons.

      Is anyone taking notes anymore?

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      • on November 12, 2014 at 5:50 pm Bitter clinger

        I drink Labatt Blue, but I’ve never known anyone who considers it a premium beer.

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      • on November 18, 2014 at 10:13 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Heineken is what me and my friends usually drink and I don’t consider it premium either. It’s just drinkable. Schneider Weisse is premium beer.

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  6. I hope your next post is “What To Do When You Signal To Your Old Lady That You’re Back On The Market”

    Sentient and HABD, you can weigh in on this. I can envision a future encounter where a woman says, “Wait, you’re still technically married?”

    As for this trainer girl, F her. She probably takes 10 selfies per day and will never give you the same amount of attention she gives her reflection in the mirror.

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    • “She probably takes 10 selfies per day and will never give you the same amount of attention she gives her reflection in the mirror.”

      Outstanding.

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    • who gives a shit? She’s A PRIORI DQ’d for LTR

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    • Answer: Not technically. I am married. Smile, sip drink. Laser eye contact.

      You will then get all kinds of “well what’s your wife like?” comments… she expects you to say bad things about her. You say “lovely woman, pretty, hard worker”. Sip drink. laser eye contact

      she says “but but but” you say “I’m not like anyone you have ever met”. smile sip drink. eye contact.

      The girls that really get it will start to project positive things about your wife up front, because then they get the thrill of “beating” her, things like “I bet your wife is really beautiful” etc,

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      • @Sentient: I knew you’d have something meaty for me. Thanks.

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      • Upon further review of my last meaty comment, lol, no homo. And I’d add that if she pushes you, just end with, “It’s complicated.”

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      • If a girl is pushing you just say something like “I always get what I want” while pulling her in close… It’s just a ST. If a girl knows you are married and is still talking with you… well she knows what’s up and she is waiting for you to figure out if you know what’s up with her. Some girls though are straight up – no married guys girls. They blow out right away or get real platonic, friend zone vibe from the get go. No turning these ones.

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      • too late newlyhomo, hehe

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    • on November 12, 2014 at 3:15 pm having a bad day

      @newlyaloof

      me – ‘technically married?…nah, i’m HAPPILY married…and my wife is HOT!…’ [eye contact with smirk…and give her hamster time to adjust…lol] (just like sentient says…lol) (note – say this even if your wife is not hot…lol…don’t undersell yourself…)

      own it, with no fucks given…lol…remember, it’s YOUR choice (that you are still married) bc YOU have options…just remember, that regardless of what girls say, they would all rather share an alpha stud (for sex anyway…lol) than have a beta all to themselves…

      what better way to remove that ‘provider’/beta vibe…increase social proof…create ‘forbidden fruit’/opportunity to ‘compete’…lol…that alpha seed doesn’t just spread itself…lol…

      just expect a bunch of shit testing as she probes for consistency/congruence…you will tend to get more shit from older women bc they recognize they are less able to compete/have more at stake (less time to secure a provider) so calibration is important…but then it always is…

      also…NOT ‘it’s complicated’…lol…own your sexuality = alpha = don’t apologize/feel guilty for being married and hitting on her…you want her, so you’re talking to her…to see if she measures up to your standards…regardless of your wife = your wife might get mad, but she’s not going to leave/divorce you regardless of what you do bc you’re YOU…lol…that’s the alpha internal frame…

      also, regarding the OP…notice that most of the possible communication options are guesses by CH bc the actual content of the comm is taking place on the subcomm channel and not the overt verbal channel…the actual meaning of this text would have been set up in the face-to-face interactions prior to the text…without that knowledge the best response to the text is…”when is our next workout scheduled”…that should get her hamster spinning…lol…

      good luck!

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      • fucking brilliant

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      • @HABD: I second what Adamn said. Let me share a story about yesterday then post a warning to all the young bucks reading this site.

        Went to supermarket yesterday. Bought a few items. Long lines. My line stalls, I switch lines behind girl is yoga pants big tits 7. I’m good looking so of course she noticed me (ALL girls are ALWAYS looking at dudes) and said, “You can go in front of me.” I thanked her and told her I owe her one. She laughs. I said, “Matter of fact, let me borrow this item of yours. I’m gonna pay for it then give it back to you.” I just invaded her personal space and took her item off the belt. Never would have done that pre-red-pill days. She’s all giddy trying to refuse and get the item back. I told her if she doesn’t stop I”m gonna yell that some crazy lady is trying to steal my sfuff. She laughs more and finally agrees. I told her that I was paying it forward, and I was having a good day so I was in the mood to share anyhow. She seems interested in that so I said, “Yeah, got a big raise today.” She initiates a high-five with me. At that point I could have gotten some numbers I’m sure, but the line was long and I was just enjoying myself.

        The point is, you can be a good looking, fit dude with a good job, big house, lots of land, no trouble getting attraction from other girls …but if you spend too many years around your woman who has known you too long as blue-pill beta bucks, you will struggle to turn her around to you, even if she’s middle aged, hit the wall, gained 15 pounds, and has shitty credit and limited man options. You may even discover the Sex God Method (read that shit), but she’ll still disrespect you in numerous little ways outside of the bedroom, because that’s just ingrained in how she’s been in the past. Then all that’s left is you battling thoughts of being a good man honoring your vows with someone you don’t care for much anymore, and a man that needs to do what he’s gotta do before he explodes.

        Don’t get married. Just find a feminine girl and put some buns in the oven cause kids are awesome.

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      • @newlyaloof – I think the message to younger dudes is be very careful getting married. Very very careful. Like do a ton of diligence on your girl, make sure you are the alpha in her life, make sure her mom is skinny and good looking, make sure things click in the bedroom for both of you and for God’s sake, when you have hand, as you should if you are even remotely thinking about marrying, never ever lose it. Keep her qualifying, keep a low thrum of dread in the background and keep on top of your shit.

        Babies WILL change her, you can’t help that. They will change her mind and her body (only slightly if she has good genes). This is the slipperiest slope for alpha dudes, because you may find yourself getting more beta as a consequence of now having a baby to support, special issues with pregnancies etc. and her very strong urge to maximize resource extraction for the little one. Tread carefully. Maintain alpha.

        Only marry if you want kids. Otherwise you are wasting your time. Just oLTR instead.

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    • on November 12, 2014 at 3:22 pm having a bad day

      stack ate one…

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  7. Based on experience, I’d say, run for the hills unless he just wants a short-term fling.

    Until recently, I’d always been plan B (Greater Beta) for women. Literally hundreds of chicks have been of the opinion that I’d be there when time came to begin their next chapter in life — a stage that involves less “fun” and more window treatments. It’s been decades since I’ve had any orbiter tendencies, just hanging out, doing my own thing, but, that was enough, apparently. Obviously I’m just waiting patiently for an opportunity to pay somebody’s bills.

    This came to a head recently. Karaoke bar I used to hang out at all the time had a ton of women, late 20s, making high teens in the service industry, as regular patrons. This is in a small arts town just outside St. Pete, FL, so you know everybody, you know their names, you know where they work, where they live, and their recent sexual history.

    I was not as into a late-20s/early 30s waitress as they seemed to think i was. I preferred women who could offer seductive lines like, “my flight leaves Tuesday,” who also visit this town every now and again. And I’m paying my tabs with an AmEx Platinum when everyone else has a debit card that–“oh, no, let me give you cash for the check.”

    After the healthcare.gov debacle, when Darden Restaurants started replacing its waitresses with tablets, I was suddenly very popular. These women would emasculate their boyfriends right in front of me, take a few weeks to precipitate a breakup, then wander by, “hey.” Roughly one every three weeks.

    I’m, again, not that interested. But the poor dude they’d split with would be really broken up. And he was kind of my friend.

    These days I take Uber downtown to a bar all these coeds go to for karaoke Thursdays. Not a major impact on my life, my singing name was “Other David,” at the old bar; new place I’m “Crazy Dave.” Uber costs more, but the management downtown seriously comps my tab just for showing up. And the liberal arts school here is 2/3rds female, with half the guys gay/incel. Ladies constitute nice pickings with far less mileage.

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  8. on November 12, 2014 at 11:52 am hobetterhavemymoney

    small OT: Did you ever know a girl who makes friends only with betas and lower tier females and avoid alphas like hell? Right now I have second of this kind. I understand the validation&attention thing but any other insight would be appreciated. She’s quite attractive and that is more mindboggling.

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    • on November 12, 2014 at 11:54 am hobetterhavemymoney

      Oh, she supposedly have a boyfriend but the funny thing is:

      They are enganged but she claims to ‘lost’ the ring:D Poor beta schmuck

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    • hard over alpha widow

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      • on November 12, 2014 at 2:55 pm hobetterhavemymoney

        hmm thought the same, but why she is going after betas and avoids alphas?

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      • every woman makes a choice. a man stronger than her/better than her……or being adored.

        young ones want strength. older choose to be adored. alpha widows KNOW they are unlikely to find another man who trips their trigger so… they settle.

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      • Many women prefer control over submission. Then they go nuts 10 years in when they have ground their beta into dust. That’s when you see the ilybinilwy speech happen and the divorcee fantasy play out.

        Other women are just as brainwashed by blue pill thinking that they heed warnings about bad boys etc. And honestly look for a really good guy and the picket fence fantasy. And they try. And they end up with the same ilybinilwy speech and ground up beta and seek to find themselves through divorce. Or they start cheating on the side.

        Either way is the same when women do not act on their true nature, as outlined at length by GBFM above, which is to submit to a husband… Even though submission is killing them. This is the dynamic and emotional space, the roller coaster, that an alpha produces. This is What they are seeking.

        It looks like qualifying , compliance, Shut Testing, tingles, good and bad emotions, and hot sex… Often all in one day.

        Young men. Unless you can produce this dynamic in your relationship don’t get married. You are on borrowed time otherwise.

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      • pro post

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  9. Check her teeth and see if she is worth a bid

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  10. Maybe it’s our changing society, but as a serious weightlifter for over 20 years, I’m hard pressed (pun intended) to wonder why any man would hire a chick trainer? What could they possibly teach a guy about building mass, strength training, and pumping iron in general?

    Kinda OT- On rare occasions I’ll hit the gym around 10 or 11am on a weekday. At that time it’s a 3-ring circus of mostly post-wall mommies in their late 30’s, early 40’s futilely attempting to hang on to what remains of their youthful beauty. I don’t begrudge them for it, but the smell of dried up ovaries that hangs like a black cloud over the training floor is rather nauseating .

    [CH: more importantly, being in the subservient position to a woman is rarely a prelude to sex.]

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  11. Do not fuck, have relationships with, or flirt much with girls at places you are a regular and intend to be a regular for a long time, such as the work place or gym. Stay away from your personal trainer. Do not shit where you eat.

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    • No shit, The 22 year old from work that I banged for a few months a couple years ago just got reassigned to the seat directly behind mine. FML

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    • OR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BAR.

      Newbies always fuck that up. Takes a hell of a player to dig out of that one.

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    • This, a thousand times over. You know how harrowing Glenn Close was in Fatal Attraction? Well, imagine if you gotta walk by her desk a dozen times a day. [shudder]. Particularly if you have a good career going on… it’s less dangerous to juggle sweaty sticks of vintage TNT than to bang somebody at work these days.

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    • I see this sentiment a lot on the manosphere and am partially inclined to agree, however, I see it happens all the time everywhere. It seems less risky than divorce rape. Unless you are in some really good job, you can always duck out if shit hits the fan (restaurant, bar, club, store, etc).

      or maybe its just the managers slaying all the pussy and the part time men arent going anywhere.

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      • pussy is easy once you understand how to get it. a good local bar/restaurant/job/gym is a HELL of a hard thing to find.

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      • “a good local bar/restaurant/job/gym is a HELL of a hard thing to find.”

        use the dive bar closest to your place for flings. keep your favorite craft bar for friends only.

        watching girls eat pre bang is nasty. most of them could stand to skip a meal or two anyway. let her shove her face when she gets home.

        on the job stick to the hbs in the smoker’s pit and only if they work in other departments you have no interest in professionally. the pit is great because you have an established time constraint of 5 min so she’ll be comfortable. great place to try new material.

        the gym is for pushing weight. if you’re thinking about hbs and openers that means you’re not totally focused on your motion. take 20 minutes of your day to not think about hbs.

        totally agree with don’t plotz where you eat. a man needs to have places that are just for him.

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  12. Her: I think my boyfriend is cheating on me…
    Me: I got 99 problems, your bitch ain’t one.

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  13. “you don’t see hot female personal trainers with male clients very often”

    At my small neighborhood gym there are 4 or 5 personal trainers, all women. Just sayin’. I like the gym cause I don’t ever have to wait for my machine or weights, which is detrimental to an H.I.T. workout.

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  14. I think best move (if you want to fuck her) is to mention something completely innocent but related to her work ( maybe something to do with working out) and do that thing you mention outside of the gym–and proceed with escalation etc.

    Craziest thing happened to me the other night. I was out (I’m early 20s) and super drunkenly got inclined with this (what looked like 40 year old) guy and a girl who looked my age. Long story short we partied till about 4am and I made out with her etc.

    I found out she’s like 10 maybe more years older then me and is divorced. But she looks like she’s 25 and she’s hot.

    I texted her day after saying come for a drink, she said no. And now…….she randomly hits me up about what I’m doing this weekend.

    How do I respond? She doesn’t know that I know she’s older because I didn’t ask and she didn’t tell. But she knows I’m way younger.

    I’m think of responding “bar xxxx at 8 Friday night” but idk.
    Does anyone have suggestions? This is blowing my mind and never had this happen to me

    [CH: women don’t normally want LTRs with younger men (in general). so make sure that however you respond you don’t come across like a guy who’s interested in her for more than a fling. tell her you’ll be in and out (heh) doing stuff this weekend. try making her chase you, since you chasing her has failed so far.]

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    • That’s definitely a good route.

      But the reason why she denied hanging was because it was a day after we split (Sunday was day off I asked Monday). And we were very drunk (and other things) and what not on sat night ha…. So she said she was going to ‘rest’. I’m just baffled right now because this is happening (she texted back after not hanging out or being kinda short). I stalked/researched her online (haha) and she’s like upper 30s she said something about her ex fiancé when we were together and she’s like an 8 blonde. And her dad is very high status. Like wtf? What kind of hot upper 30s girl is texting an early 20s pretty avg guy. I think you’re right the ‘ill be in and out’ route is best. But I really want to just cut to the chase and go to a bar then have sex lol. First night she said “I’m not having alex with you tonight that’d be mean to my friend” but her older friend was cock blocking soooo tough and he didn’t realize it but we DID.

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      • I just read that and it made no sense. ***he didn’t realize the he was a beta cock block, however we did realize both (not communicated however) that he definitely was a cock block.
        Done with the rant

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    • say you whippin brick and flippin brick…add in a line about ur dick and how she a trick and you’ve got a nice little rhyme goin

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  15. If this post had come about a year sooner, I like to think it could have saved me from taking the bait.

    That whole deal made me smash face first into the reality of how far I haven’t come toward overcoming beta behavior. I’m a self-aware beta who hates himself for continuing to act the part in spite of the truth he knows, but when the time comes to act in a given situation, I follow the familiar behavioral pathways and obey my social programming. For example, 42 year old married men don’t hit on pretty college students, because it’s creepy and gross, and they’re not going to like being hit on. (Social programming that has been reinforced in a hundred different ways, like a job I had that involved working on campus, where we had a rule that we would be fired if we looked at a girl for longer than five seconds.)

    I figured out in high school that the asshole guy fucked all the girls I wanted, but I continued being a nice guy. I’ve read 500 million words of advice that teach men how to be the asshole guy, but my entire personal identity is tied up in being me.

    Turning yourself into somebody totally different is hard. I admire anybody who actually pulls it off.

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    • Ive always had a little asshole in me and I am a loose cannon, but deep down, Im pretty nice and caring. Its not easy to be an asshole, but you just keep practicing and it starts to come natural, like the other day, a close female friend got kicked out of the club we were in and I just kept going. didnt give a shit and thought it was hilarious that she got bounced. I mean thats real when you dont even care about someone you care about who isnt even a romantic interest. I use her for social proof, so no point in giving her the business.

      But it still feels a bit weird and I just want to be all nice and friendly and let go of all that Ive built up. Itd be so much easier.

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    • on November 12, 2014 at 8:39 pm Master Blaster

      That’s only because you keep turning back to check if you’ve pulled it off.

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  16. There’s a chick who trains guys at the gym I go to. She appeared a few weeks ago, but every time I see her she’s training some dude. She’s jacked for a chick (even for a regular guy) and far more so than the average joe’s she’s training. It’s an odd dynamic, like why would you want a girl to show you how to lift etc? As far as I can tell, the only sexual tension that could exist between them is some unrequited herbling domination fantasy. Even if the body types weren’t so extreme and flipped, I find it hard to imagine this dynamic producing the kind of sexual desire this poster envisions. Getting a girl to teach you how to lift seems pretty fucking beta.

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  17. Also I agree with the previous poster regarding personal trainers. I’ve never seen a guy with one, male or female I didn’t think was a schlub who should have learned this shit when he was 17. Yes, it isn’t rocket science.

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  18. Agree very much with tteclod. Highly unprofessional. If she was a dog-walker I’d start to worry about Fido’s modesty out there in the park, alone, with her.

    Ask her if the fees will be going up as a result, like will she be needing the money now?

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  19. i’d just be like..”well let’s even it out then”….

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  20. What about when they mention they are single in conversation? But no boyfriend issues etc

    I met a tall blond 7 a few weeks back at a work thing (we don’t work together, she is kind of a client). Anyway, once during the first phone call and again in our meeting she works into the conversation that she’s single. I DHV in the meeting and I’m sure there were some IOIs and positive body language happening.

    Because of the above, I called her after that meeting after work hours to see if she was keen to meet for a drink and it went to voicemail. I didn’t leave a message. She calls back two days later apparently oblivious of my missed call (first alarm bell).

    Since then, a few emails backwards and forwards all professional like (second alarm bell).

    Is simply telegraphing being single enough to go for hang-out?

    I think it’s either 1) no interest at all & saying she’s single was a coincidence. 2) she wants me to ask her out but will reject me just to get her validation fix 3) she wants me to ask her out because she is generally keen.

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    • …you have to strike when the iron is hot..ever heard of an instadate?

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    • @stuttie she gave you an IOI. Not all IOI’s are wide-eyed doggie dinner bowl eyes. You have to start getting better at reading them. But since it’s a work thing i’d be wary. I have a girl at my office constantly giving me IOI’s–but i just ignore or tease her. Not a good idea to get more involved.

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      • Teasing the girls who like you at work is the best. They want it so bad and cant figure out why you wont. And then they want it more.

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  21. “Heywood Jablome goes for the kill,

    Reply text:

    “8:00 at joes bar on 5th st”

    The bold reply right after she texts you about her “cheating boyfriend” is the right strategy IF…”

    No, there is no “IF”. Always go bold. If you’re worried about whether she’ll interpret your move as a bold alpha move or a desperate beta move, then you’re already thinking like a beta. An alpha doesn’t care what the woman thinks. He sees an opportunity, he strikes.

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  22. I’ll just be brutally honest. A guy with a female personal trainer is generally going to be viewed as a wuss. My guess is that she sees this guy as a gay boyfriend type.

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    • yup

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    • “A guy with a female personal trainer is generally going to be viewed as a wuss.”

      a guy with a female or male personal trainer is generally going to be viewed as a wuss.

      paying someone to spot/”motivate” you is what fat old ladies do.

      “i think my boyfriend is cheating” is not a good opening. if she really thought her boyfriend was cheating and wanted to do something about it the text would be more like “i want to party.”

      guy should spend less time paying this girl to workout with him and more time doing cold opens.

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    • I thought he was going to text her back:

      “OMG! OMG! OMG! I think MINE is cheating on ME too!”

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  23. A Girl Signals She’s Back On The Market

    In my experience, if she is not married to the guy, there is about 6 months where she won’t bang you if she just took up with him, and if she is married, it goes to about 9 months. I’ve found that all women are on the market – for the right thing, and especially if they know that the BF or hubby will NOT find out. Over the years, I’ve found that women are pretty much the same as men when it comes to “f**k and forget”, it’s just that they have much better PR and are better at lying.

    Sorry to burst anyone’s bubbles, but that is just my experience.

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  24. This is a situation I’m in now. Girl I’ve known for a while started showing interest. She was saying her boyfriend was “jealous” and “too good” for her along with her doting father. One night I invited her out and brought her home, fingered her. She texted later that she broke up. We started seeing each other for 3 months—banging regularly and hard. She kept asking “what is our relationship?” Me: “we’re lovers” and kept it vague.

    We had a great time whenever we went out. Then suddenly she went ice cold. Ignored me at a party and actually refused to talk to me—all for no immediate reason. I was with a bunch of other people including a number of girls so just blew her off and have soft-nexted her since then for a week.

    I suspect a few things at play here: 1) she’s got some emotional problems. 2) she’s still seeing this beta shlub and banging me is confusing her 3) her friends may have tried talking her out of seeing me because they know beta shlub or some other combination.

    She’s also gone relatively quite on FB—instead of her 20 posts a day on whatever, she’s not posting at all or just sporadically. I can tell something is bothering her and it may have something to do with inner turmoil not any beta stuff so I haven’t internalized it, I’ve just kept focused on other things.

    Fortunately, armed with my game knowledge here i have other options which i’m continuing with.

    Any girl who bangs you will bang you again if you don’t come chasing after her—that has always been my experience.

    Besides seeing other girls not sure there is another solution when a girl drops off the grid. Asking girls what’s wrong tends to lead to a lot of unnecessary drama.

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    • ‘Any girl who bangs you will bang you again if you don’t come chasing after her’…

      99.9999% true…I succeeded once, and once only, to get a second bang out of an 18 yo hottie when I was 17 and had no clue about staying aloof.

      The Grand Unified Theory of Game can explain the vanishingly rare successful 2nd bang by a inexperienced guy:
      – she must’ve been ovulating that week, and
      – this is why she cheated on her main man with me.

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  25. The women that I perceived at the time to be the most emotionally unstable and dangerous(that I fooked), have turned out to be the most loyal and supportive of my interests.
    It might be, because, if I dont say, I fooked them good…

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    • fookin’ a!

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    • Well RUM, if you’re only fucking jewesses, then “emotionally unstable” would come with the territory. In my experience, though, the only “dangerous” jewesses are the hypermasculine ones who hate masculine men and who insist on settling down with effeminate beta dweebs whom they can spend a lifetime manipulating and making miserable and ruining.

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  26. on November 12, 2014 at 5:43 pm Master Blaster

    Given the limited information available this may create some openings.

    “I’m not bf material either”

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  27. “Geordie Tait (Manlet, esq.) is very upset.”

    Liberal tolerance:

    “I honestly and without hesitation think that each and every one of these fucking assholes should be tossed into Treblinka.”

    Apparently that’s justified because the pay gap == the Holocaust anyway.

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  28. Sometimes these posts come just in the nick of time. This girl I know advertises very prominently when shes on her O (she also does a similar trick on P, but I can tell the difference and I know what is when). I tease her and stuff all the time, she shows interest, and she really never mentions her boyfriend unless really prompted. Shes mentioned him more since they moved in and seems to be mentioning him more lately, but she really doesnt talk about him much. I know girls who are gaga for their boyfriends and cant shut up about them. Its been over a year, so there easily could be some loss in interest. I have wanted to snag her for awhile, but I havent really found a way to get it to happen. Also, been distracted by other things and focused on other things. No interest in a relationship really. Maybe if she was single, but Id rather some secret rendezvouses here and there. More fun that way.

    im just not sure how to get her isolated. I guess just hang out and make it happen.

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    • Then there was the girl whos boyfriend once messaged me because I was commenting on her page too much (maybe like two comments a week). She messaged/texted me one night bored as hell, hadnt seen bf in two weeks, and I had my head up my ass, so it didnt occur to me to get my ass over there stat. Instead, I said “oh lets meet up next week”. She finally saw boyfriend the night before and flaked on me.

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  29. “You’re fat, take what you can get.”

    Or no reply at all, she’ll bring it up again in person if you don’t bite and you can do more in person than over text.

    Her BF probably isn’t cheating, she just wants to cheat and needs to justify it. Most “abusive” and “cheating” husbands aren’t actually that, the girl would just have to admit she’s acting slutty if she fucked around on a good guy.

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    • No emoticons with the fat text btw. And don’t use it in any other situation but the OPs specific one. There are like 6+ game principles packed into those 7 little words, but it’s not a universal response for other similar situations.

      Also she won’t break up with her dude so don’t expect that. Keep shit discreet and get a bang or two and she’ll probably act like it never happened from there…but who cares? lol

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    • Thank you for this. You nailed it.

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    • @YaReally – I don’t understand. What does that signify? Is this really the point at which to neg her?

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      • @Culum
        If she’s texting him about her boyfriend troubles then they’re close enough that he has her number and she’s comfortable enough with him to text something personal like that VS keeping texts to strictly business or non-personal idle chat. So she’s probably into him.

        She’s txting for attention and we just learned the last week not to give attention whores the attention they want, so this is probably a trap to see if he’ll bite VS an actual opening to meet up.

        She’s hot because she’s a personal trainer, and they have a close enough relationship that she txts about her boyfriend (attraction) so he should be able to get away with a neg about her being fat because clearly she’s not.

        Here are the game concepts packed into this text off the top of my head (a handful of these are just a natural combination of things that result from using a neg, I’m just detailing them for guys to learn from):

        1) Don’t give attention whores attention. This txt avoids asking for details or getting into a discussion. Same way you handle “I think I have ebola” or “I’m mad at you…” Total disregarding of the topic.

        2) Hot girls can handle negs. Presumably as a personal trainer she’s a hottie, and guys don’t neg her, so he’ll stand out as unimpressed by her looks.

        3) Neg about something obviously false or that she can change. If you neg her about her face or teeth, she can’t change those things. If you neg her about her choice in shirt, she can wear a different shirt. Presumably as a personal trainer she’s not fat and is in fact the exact opposite and proud of it, so calling her fat is CLEARLY teasing her. This is the one that made me put the “don’t try this on any other girl” disclaimer lol I saw other guys writing “I’m in a similar situ, there’s this quiet shy girl at work who told me her BF is cheating” and it’s like, calling THAT girl fat will destroy her. A personal trainer can take it. Try flirting with a 9 at the bar and pinching her belly and saying “look at all this fat, you’re disgusting, no more beer for you”. She’ll lol her face off. A 6 will punch you because she knows its true. A 7 or 8 will probably cry because she’s insecure underneath her attempted hotness. lol A legit hottie who did her pilates and situps that morning is secure about it.

        4) Never insult the boyfriend, ALWAYS talk good about him. First rule of Tyler’s dead-on AMOG article. This text is telling her to stick with him instead of trying to vulture her away from him or talk shit about him. Something like “aww that sucks, he sounds like a jerk” usually causes her to defend him. If I say your girlfriend is perfect, you’ll instinctively shit on her and tell me “no man, she SEEMS perfect but behind closed door she–” If I say your girlfriend is a piece of shit, you’ll instinctively defend her and tell me “no man, she’s pretty amazing, trust me, you just don’t know her”. Same shit in reverse with girls. By telling her she should be with him, she’ll instinctively push away from him.

        5) Outcome independence. You’re telling her to go be with him instead of you, so you’re showing you give no fucks about her, which is extra bait for a hot girl who’s used to guys fawning over her (again I’m assuming this isn’t some mousey shy personal trainer, but a hot outgoing one that all her clients drool over).

        6) Not apologizing for or taking back or softening what you say. No emoticons or lols. Saying “You’re fat, take what you can get. :)” sounds like an actual insult. Saying “You’re fat, take what you can get lol” sounds like an actual insult. It basically makes you sound unsure of whether your comment will offend her or not, which will make it offend her. With no emoticon, it’s sort of SO offensive that it HAS to be a joke. “I work in a baby grinding factory. :)” sounds weirdly proud of it. “I work in a baby grinding factory.” comes off as a deadpan joke.

        7) Self-amusement. Related to number 6, deadpanning it instead of cushioning it with smileys and lols turns it into self-amusement because you seemingly don’t care if she gets that it’s a joke or is offended etc. you’re just making yourself lol

        8) Leading/commanding. It’s stated as an order not a wishy-washy “maybe you should take what you can get? lol” thing. It’s just blunt and in-her-face like a challenge which she’ll love if she’s hot.

        9) Breaking her frame. It knocks her completely out of her frame because no guy has ever said that to her before, as a joke or otherwise, because guys all walk on eggshells around her trying not to offend her in hopes of getting in her pants.

        10) Give her the full range of emotions. Julien’s favorite concept (lol). Don’t just give a girl good feelings, give her good and bad feelings. No soap opera is about happy people always succeeding and smiling. There’s always conflict and drama that gets resolved in the end. The best movies take you on an emotional rollercoaster. This will give her a moment of “!!! Gasp!! OMG you’re are SUCH an asshole!!”

        11) Disqualifying her (baiting her to qualify to you). You’re calling her fat and pushing her away, which could potentially result in her qualifying herself to you with something like sending a pic of her abs and trying to talk shit, which should be easy to turn into her sending you sexy pics and setting a sexual frame to escalate to a lay pretty effortlessly.

        12) Instigates a shit-test. Passing a girl’s shit-test builds attraction, that’s a universal law. Saying offensive stuff prods her to shit-test you in return, which gives you a chance to pass that shit-test and spike attraction faster. A big part of my game is based around saying offensive shit and instigating shit-tests from girls, then passing them (because I know they’re coming and know how to pass them with stuff like Agree & Amplify and Cocky/Funny etc.) and instigating more shit-tests and passing those and boom, she wants to fuck me. It’s 1000x easier to built fast sexual attraction with a cocky girl who shit-tests me a bunch than it is with a shy quiet meek girl who doesn’t really test.

        The “artist” part of “pickup artist” comes from layering concepts, not just pounding out crude one-at-a-time pieces. People make fun of Mystery, but his in-field footage is full of him layering a ton of techniques and threads over eachother. If you know the old-school routines from back then and have watched his Mystery Method DVDs on YouTube where he talks about open threads and shit, you can tell what he’s doing and everything he does layers like a painter stroking various colors to form a shape. It’s interesting to understand and break down.

        Part of why my text game is tight is that I don’t just throw out pointless “filler” texts to keep a conversation going for the sake of keeping it going, it’s always leading somewhere (like toward a meet-up) or setting specific frames (sexual or otherwise). And I don’t use just one or two concepts, like look I did a neg! It’ll be a neg, combined with self-depreciation, combined with sexual innuendo, combined with future-projection of us having sex, with some call-back humor that brings us back into comfort tagged onto the end.

        A lot of guys’ texting isn’t BAD, it’s just inefficient as fuck and goes nowhere and gets to the lay a lot slower than it could have if they were more strategic.

        This isn’t a magic text. I don’t know the guy and I don’t know her and I don’t know what’s congruent to his personality or her view of him…she may take it wrong and get offended and hate the guy as soon as she reads it. But that’s why you don’t shit where you eat lol

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      • @YaReally – fascinating.

        I was just coming back here to say I’d been thinking about it and I could see the “outcome independence” and “not falling into her frame and pursuing parts”.

        But it seemed to me that “fat” is a nuclear neg – more than a neg, it’s generally an outright insult – the kind of thing butthurt guys say to girls who reject them so I really didn’t see where you were going with it – like there are other options for texts in this thread which also show outcome independence and not falling into her frame – why go in so hard? What does it achieve?

        But I understand now – it’s basically a really powerful neg because she is (we assume) really hot and can take it. I don’t think I’d be comfortable doing it to a girl – maybe I just haven’t gamed enough (hardly any) 9s to get a feel for what they can handle.

        Point 6 – not softening what you say to make yourself unsure – I’ve been doing that instinctively for a while but interesting to hear it articulated.

        So presumably the response you’re likely to provoke is some kind of shock, followed by some anger and indignation, followed by..what? Some kind of attempt to “prove” her hotness to you and chase you?

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      • @culum
        “But I understand now – it’s basically a really powerful neg because she is (we assume) really hot and can take it. I don’t think I’d be comfortable doing it to a girl – maybe I just haven’t gamed enough (hardly any) 9s to get a feel for what they can handle.”

        Ya it’s purely based on my assumption that to be a personal trainer with a boyfriend she’s probably hot and social and is used to male attention. That’s why I say no one else should use it tho. You don’t need to neg the sweet 7 at the local pub. Negs were intended for stripper level egos where the girls can handle it and interpret it as just teasing by a guy who must be used to girls at least as hot as her. It’s not even supposed to tear her down, it’s just to show her that you aren’t fazed by her beauty.

        “Point 6 – not softening what you say to make yourself unsure – I’ve been doing that instinctively for a while but interesting to hear it articulated.”

        Ya I used to do it a lot. The irony is if you do something offensive unapologetically and own it, ppl will usually forgive it. The second YOU show hesitstion or second guessing, other ppl pick up on that and the thing that wouldn’t have offended them suddenly offends them. Like the animal thing where an animal doesn’t know if you’re prey until you run away and your running away triggers it seeing you as prey when you might’ve been just fine if you had chilled. Russell Brand owns his shit so he can say anything and ppl go “oh Russell lololz”. But Bob from accounting saying the same thing hesitantly would be “omg that’s so rude I’m reporting you to HR!!”

        “So presumably the response you’re likely to provoke is some kind of shock, followed by some anger and indignation, followed by..what? Some kind of attempt to “prove” her hotness to you and chase you?”

        You got it. You COULD just reply with some cool lower-key stuff like talking about relationships and shit and try the comfort route. But if you can instigate an emotional reaction causing a shit-test and pass that shit-test (if you fail it you’re super fucked), it’s like finding the wrap zone pipe in Mario and skipping a few levels.

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    • “Her BF probably isn’t cheating” – true and just a note, girls will go so far as to make themselves really believe he is possibly cheating, or that his dissatisfaction is actual abuse, or whatever she needs to believe in order to not feel like a slut. It’s amazing to watch.

      also re: always-talking-good-about-the-bf below, that is great stuff and i feel like maybe i’d read it somewhere and known it but i know i haven’t practiced it. so thanks.

      last, because all i have to add is grammar as opposed to actual tools to get laid, and in case it wasn’t a typo it should be ‘deprecation’ not ‘depreciation’ below.

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      • @burke
        Ya it’s Tyler’s “boyfriend destroyer” stuff. That shit is gold, can’t count the number of times I’ve used it successfully. Google it and memorize it, it’s lethal.

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  30. Trainer: OMG!! I think my boyfriend is cheating on me!
    You: Can I kiss you… there?
    Trainer: what?
    You: Can I go down on you?

    [CH: well-played.]

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  31. Shit test question for you guys:

    Situation: Met girl on Okcupid. She’s 22, killer body, decent face. I’m 30, am pretty good looking, and have decent game most of the time. I’ve been kind of blowing her off for a week or so (been busy, no date openings), and she’s been somewhat flaky when I did engage her. Early on she also said she is only looking for friends, which I was cool with if she meant it (can always use more 22 yo female friends), but I kept the charm up on high and decided to slow play her a bit.

    She initiated tonight with a big compliment. Toward the end of our conversation, this happened:

    Her 9:41pm: Do you know how to fix my internet?
    Me 10:06pm: Probably
    Her 10:09pm: I fixed it myself.
    Her 10:09pm: #idontneednoman
    Me 10:19pm: Plugged it back in?
    Me 10:22pm: I don’t like like (sic) having Internet friends. It’s weird. Let’s commence our actual friendship on Sunday afternoon?
    Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
    Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
    Me 10:31pm: well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.

    *crickets*

    What should I have said here? I actually am busy all weekend or I’d probably have given her a better spot. Did want it to go stale. Seems like she was DTF though? This is easily the biggest shit test I’ve ever gotten.

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    • @confused

      First of all, the idea of being “friends” immediately puts you out of the market. You don’t need 22 year old “friends” you’re not fucking. Unless she’s doing your laundry or accounting, you’re wasting your time.

      Secondly: this:

      Me 10:22pm: I don’t like like (sic) having Internet friends. It’s weird. Let’s commence our actual friendship on Sunday afternoon?
      Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
      Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
      Me 10:31pm: well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.

      Here’s how I handle this online game:

      Me: If you promise to behave let’s meet up this weekend, How’s Sunday?

      her: I get sunday afternoon?

      Her: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend? OBVIOUS SHIT TEST AND NASTY

      Me: Always room for one more in my harem. Bring the movies.

      The problem here is that you let her lead this. If she’s going to be a prissy bitch which most online girls are, then you have to leave her with something to think about.

      Here’s my interaction for Sunday:

      Me: Let’s meet up at my club around 12:15

      Her: Ah but I just finished my breakfast lol

      Me: you can watch me eat

      Her: Hahaha, that’s funny

      Me: I’ll give you a tour, show you the photo collection. then take you to the airport train and kick you out

      Her: Ok I don’t know why I’m listening to you though

      Me: I lead you follow

      Her: ha, you are good

      I met this girl who I gamed at a party. She was leaving town. I went for the kiss. She pulled away. But later she texted me. So…don’t be afraid to sexualize early.

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      • Her 10:09pm: I fixed it myself.
        Her 10:09pm: #idontneednoman
        Me 10:19pm: Plugged it back in?

        lol

        I wouldn’t worry about Confused being friend zoned at all. It’s hilarious that girlie said she was only looking for a friend. In a weird way Confused didn’t give away that he actually believed that by playing up the friend thing, then when he gave her the shitty spot on the slut totem-pole she outed herself as looking to fuck!

        Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
        Me 10:31pm: well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.
        *crickets*

        My take on the crickets is straight up ASD. She exposed herself as looking to fuck and you made it hyper-explicit. Not gonna fly with an okc rando.

        @walawala

        Me: Always room for one more in my harem. Bring the movies.

        This’ll fall flat because of ASD as well.

        I think your longer text example that you gave was a really awesome example of not triggering ASD. Notice in the longer text you sent about your plans it’s obvious that she’s going to get fucked somewhere in there, but you don’t explicitly say it and keep leading the meetup.

        I don’t know how to best to deal with the shit test, but I’m thinking a better text would do two things:

        1. Disarm the shit test without agreeing and amplifying, it’s a distraction, even if a colossal one.
        2. Lead towards the meetup you just set in motion.

        Girlie also just put herself in an interesting frame situation—she already is coming from from the frame that you’re a cool older guy fucking whatever you want, presumes you two will fuck, and showed her sliver of jealousy/”I’m not good enough!?!”. I’m haven’t been able to figure out a way to reinforce that frame in a text without sounding like a douche or in a way that would get Confused blown out, but it’s good to note that it’s there.

        Best suggestion I have is

        Her: I get Sunday afternoon?
        Her: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
        Me: I’m not great at math. Brunch. Mimosas are on me but don’t you dare steal my bacon.

        Blow off the shit test with a non-sequitur, keep the meetup frame and painting a nice picture in her head, with a little push at the end that she can argue without throwing up ASD and will keep her in the meetup frame.

        Thoughts?

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      • @Lumpy This is a punt…girl asks “how many people do you need to fuck this weekend? I only get Sunday?”

        Confused went with: “”well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.””

        There are a dozen ways to answer this. But with a nasty attitude like that, an agree and amplify is the only way.

        you could play it straight:

        “Why do you say that?” then she has to qualify herself.

        “If you’re good you might get Monday as well….”

        “I’m a virgin…be gentle”

        etc. I think Confused played this too try hard. He still lost. If you’re going to lose make it a bold move. A girl will always be more intrigued by a bolder statement that shocks…

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      • Damn, all of those play it straight ones feel pretty solid. Nice.

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      • Perhaps this one word is the most important:

        Her 10:23pm: How many people do you ***need*** to fuck this weekend?

        Betas need. Not sure on the best response, but that “need” jumped right out at me.

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      • on November 18, 2014 at 11:00 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @Lumpy, I don’t think she was that transparent she’s DTF. Sure, it’s clear she was thinking about sexing it up, but she could always construe her statement as an assumption about him with no implication to their particular interaction(e.g. she just assumes he fucks other girls as a joke, much like you can make assumptions about girls in order to bait them into playing up to the stereotypes or trying to defy them).

        I think walawala’s replies are solid. If she assumes you constantly get your dick wet, you can toy with that assumption by saying you’re virgin, for example. I prefer this to the Monday reply because you can tease her a lot about her wanting to corrupt you. I usually find it entertaining to create roles like this in my relationships. An ex, for example, tripped when we went on our first date and I told her that I don’t think I could see myself with a clumsy girl. We both laughed about it throughout the relationship because each time she did a clumsy thing, I’d tease her about it. I created various other roles for her to fill. It makes the whole relationship more fun, the flirting easier since you can pretty much evoke prior feelings you made her feel and you can get her to roleplay sexually too. Tbh, if you talk to enough girls, you can start telling things about them soon enough to build value based on how well you understand them as people and you can create some fun and polarity in your relationship with this kind of head games. All it’s left is having the balls to sexualize.

        @walawala, I think he isn’t completely wrong when he says young female friends are useful. You can use them for social proof and for having an entree into various social circles. For example, I like 18-22 years old girls. I’m no longer a student so meeting these girls is harder than it was in the past. With a single girl that age as your friend, you can enter and have fun in the whole dorm and as a guy who lives by himself in an apartment 5 times bigger than the dorm room she shares with 3 other girls, she will rather come over to my place once in a while than shag a fellow dorm guy who shares a similarly small room with 3 other guys. lol

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    • you are in. bitches lie to protect their ego/self image.

      get casual, stay fun, flinch at nothing. tell cool stories and after an hour escalate….

      oh, and don’t wait more than a day or two from that message to when you meet otherwise buying temp drops and you are sittin at home with your dick in your hand.

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    • This usually works in these kinds of situations. How many people do you have to duck this weekend? You: we’ll see how you play your cards.

      Flips the script, assumes The sale and somewhat of a nonsequitur. Should generate a response. Easy to use in many situations, ie shot tests like I’m not going to kiss you, sleep with you, go out with you, have a drink etc.

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    • Don’t text. She’s seeing if you’ll second guess yourself and apologize. You might not hear from her till Saturday night or Sunday afternoon. I don’t think she’ll meet up yet, I think she’ll try to get you to chase her, but it’s hard to say without seeing the rest of the conversation before this.

      “Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
      Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?”

      “I save the best for last. 2pm late enough to recover from your hangover?”

      I’d play it with a non-serious answer that’s not denying anything and has a bit of a compliment in it because she sounds like the type that bites off more than she can chew with sexual flirting. ie – hard innuendo because she’s feisty, but lots of ASD because she’s young and probably not that experienced (BECAUSE she’s feisty…usually those girls scare off a lot of guys or guys bomb their shittests and they lose interest so often they don’t have that high a partner count). The “just looking for friends” disqualifier kind of lets her make more innuendo safely because she can drop jokes about fucking people then when a guy thinks “sweet! Easy lay!!” she can go “hey I said just friends.”

      Also I add a push to meet up (always be moving things forward toward a goal in your txting). A lot of guys get lost in the back and forth and forget to move forward. So they’ll text their witty reply but then the ball is in her court to move things forward because he was so happy he had a witty response that he let shit dangle after and she’s not gonna say “lol ok Sunday it is”. Like I’ll do this kind of stuff:

      “Sunday work for you?”
      “I don’t even know you yet”
      “No shit that’s what Sunday is for. 2pm or 8pm?”
      “Lol I never said yes”
      “I read between the lines. Brunch Place, so I can make sure you’re not 500lbs or a dude with a unibrow.”
      “Oh that’s exactly what I am”
      “That’s alright, my standards drop when I’m hammered. 2pm or 8pm?”

      Like, I don’t even expect her to actually meet up. But I’m making my intent known and going to force her to say yes or no by pushing things forward relentlessly as I disarm her objections and shit-tests.

      Even if she ends up saying no or flakes, I’ve still set myself above the rest of the guys by showing intent. And if I handle the no/flake smoothly like no fucks given then she’s more likely to take me up on my next offer.

      With this type it can be a battle to actually meet up but if you get her to meet up and can pass her shit-tests in person it shouldn’t be a difficult lay from there, she’ll probably do a lot of the work. It’s getting past this part that’s annoying because it can take a while…you basically need to pass enough of her shit-tests that SHE chooses YOU (for actual meetups not the flakey bait she’ll throw out to see I you chase).

      There’s a decent chance if you don’t txt at all she’ll txt you fri or sat night during party hours telling you to come to the bar she’s at that’s she’s horny etc. That’s a trap, don’t reply at all till morning.

      Hipster/indie chicks do this shit a lot because they all think they’re super clever lol I find it annoying, I’ve had situs where this takes me weeks or MONTHS of txting before she finally decides I’m legit and switches gears. I pursue it for the practice but I write them off in my mind as slow-track girls and don’t expect to meet up anytime soon. I even flake on them sometimes if they have a lot of attitude. The funniest is when we both flake because she had no intention of actually keeping our plans and neither did I lol

      Once she’s hooked, if you pass enough tests, and then you pull back and be aloof, she’ll either chase pretty hard because not a lot of guys pass her tests or she’ll be so full of herself that she Next’s you in her mind and stops contacting you. Like I find it’ll be one extreme or the other, nothing in-between like a normal “sweet” girl.

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      • Also I’m sure I don’t have to say it but she doesn’t just want friends, she wants a guy to fuck. She just wants a quality guy that can pass all her shit-testing and intrigue her, the friends only thing weeds out a bunch of lame guys who will take themselves out of the running by not being sexual and escalating in person when the time is right.

        One thing I’d stick to with this one is be sexual not not about HER specifically. Like the “best for last” shows intent but after that she knows my intent so I would still make sexual innuendo and jokes and tell sexual stories or self-depreciate sexually, but not directly imply her and I will fuck. Think of it like being bait and wiggling around in front of her trying to get her intrigued enough to bite. Being comfortable with sexuality makes you stand out but being too direct can trigger ASD. No idea if this makes sense I’ve been up all night lol

        Best way I could summarize how to handle what it sounds like her type is: she’ll dangle bait (metaphorically) in front of you to try to get you to grab at it and yank it away if you do…but if you stay indirectly sexual and pass her shit-tests instead of grabbing at the bait, she’ll hit a personal point where you’ve passed her tests and YOU become the bait that SHE grabs at…and even then if you’re too easy to grab it goes back to square one.

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      • For the “just friends” bullshit, a direct and forthright reply [which cuts right to the heart of the matter] is always some variation of “Gee whiz, sorry, but I’m just not ghey… Although I know a ghey guy I could set you up with…”

        It sounds like YR is talking about investing a lot more time than that, though, so from the point of view of taking it slowly and coyly, it might be a little too direct.

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      • @YaReally There’s a decent chance if you don’t txt at all she’ll txt you fri or sat night during party hours telling you to come to the bar she’s at that’s she’s horny etc. That’s a trap, don’t reply at all till morning.””

        Hot girl I banged a few weeks ago after she invited me over texted the other night:

        “Am making gin tonics. you want?”

        I sussed this was some type of shit test and I wasn’t about to go over to her place that night so I replied:

        “Whisky”

        She replied: “You won’t be drinking whisky here”

        Me: No one’s telling me what I can and can’t drink young missy

        Her: hahahahahah

        That’s the shit you’re talking about.

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      • @walawala…..not a shit test. an invite.

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      • All due respect…..I strongly disagree:

        “There’s a decent chance if you don’t txt at all she’ll txt you fri or sat night during party hours telling you to come to the bar she’s at that’s she’s horny etc. That’s a trap, don’t reply at all till morning.”

        If you set your frame right and she believes it, the coy shit ceases quickly IMO. Aloof and noncommittal yes, but ignore it…..man that feels like a donation of the pussy.

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      • @walawala
        “That’s the shit you’re talking about.”

        Ya. Similar trap I ran into recently: Chick I’m banging tells me she’ll be drinking in my area so I tell her cool and she says I need to come kidnap her from her friends and fuck her brains out. I’m in work mode right now so I was like eh fuck it why not and told her sure and tried to set it up. INSTANTLY she replies with “lol oh I can’t I have to stay with my friends. I just assumed you’d already have plans that night”

        Like she didn’t expect me to actually jump at the bait and the offer wasn’t real to begin with. Brain-fart on my end from working too much lately. I actually had to aloof it up for a few days after that to balance out jumping for that stupid bait lol

        @Tilikum
        “All due respect…..I strongly disagree:”

        Ya, that’s the trap. It’s supposed to look like a legit invite so you jump at it.

        I actually agree with you…IF she was, say, a sweeter girl instead of a feisty shit-testing one. And if she was like, 25+, definitely if she was 30+. Or if she was kind of ugly etc. Or if their age range was closer.

        But because she’s a super-feisty 22yo who’s hot and who’s used to 30yo guys falling over themselves to chase her around, she’s going to lay a bunch of traps to test him first.

        Like, I’m all about jumping through the window of opportunity when it’s there, but calibrating to this specific girl and her specific personality-type and their specific situation, a fri/sat night text is probably going to be a “let’s see if I can get him to chase me around to see what kind of man he is” trap…which you can test for by telling her to meet you in a different bar from the one she’s at (if she actually wants to bone, she’ll meet you there), but odds are usually that it’s a trap.

        I’ve known girls who literally send mass texts out to all the guys on their phone to come meet them at X place with the intent of just letting them all fight it out over her and validate her and weed out the winner for the night. Sometimes they’ll do this with no intention of banging you just to impress their girlfriends and they’ll do it either secretly like “omg all these guys just happened to be here tonight look how popular I am and they’re buying me drinks and fighting over me! I guess I’m the most desirable girl in this group!” or they’ll do it openly with their girlfriends also doing it like “we’re bored and don’t want to pay for our own drinks, let’s text some guys and see who shows up”.

        Again this isn’t something that like, a pleasant personality average looking 30yo chick is likely to do…but a 22yo in her prime with a feisty personality, she’ll run guys through the wringer till she’s certain they are who she hopes they are.

        This doesn’t even conflict with what you’re saying (emphasis mine):

        “If you set your frame right and **SHE BELIEVES IT**, the coy shit ceases quickly IMO.”

        This type of girl needs a guy to pass a bunch of tests before she believes it. A sweeter less-feisty girl or a girl who has less value won’t need him to pass as many tests before she believes it. So I agree with you, it’s just that she’s basically a lot more skeptical about his frame/congruence/value than other girls might be is all.

        The way she adamantly determines who he is and COMES to “believe it”, is by throwing shit-tests at him to see how he’ll react. And once he’s passed those, she flips and “the coy shit ceases quickly” because she starts chasing him which is why I say once she’s hooked (from him passing these tests) he shouldn’t have a problem getting the actual lay.

        To me I’d rather pass up one invite the first weekend we’ve been talking to establish longer-term value in her mind (maybe she’s not that high value to me, maybe I had another girl that night, maybe I have other things on my plate, maybe I’m not that into her and she needs to impress me more, maybe I’m just not a guy who up-ends my life for pussy, etc.), than jump at the bait and risk blowing my value down the shitter because I was horny. Like I’ll get the lay either way, but one way carries a lot less potential risk of blowing myself out than the other way is all.

        Once she’s hooked and chasing, dropping the games is fine. Just meet up and bang her lol This is purely to reach the hook point with her personality type.

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    • funny lol. I’d have thought about a way to move her up to sat or fri if she demonstrated so explicitly she was DTF.

      That shit test I sometimes respond to with faux outrage that she thinks I’m “that kind of guy” and then I tell her to send me a picture of her tits to give me a diversion while I’m working all weekend.

      “friends” in my vernacular means a fuckbuddy…I don’t keep female friends

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    • on November 13, 2014 at 10:58 am having a bad day

      @confused

      “Her 9:41pm: Do you know how to fix my internet?
      Me 10:06pm: Probably
      Her 10:09pm: I fixed it myself.
      Her 10:09pm: #idontneednoman
      Me 10:19pm: Plugged it back in?
      Me 10:22pm: I don’t like like (sic) having Internet friends. It’s weird. Let’s commence our actual friendship on Sunday afternoon?
      Her 10:23pm: I get Sunday afternoon?
      Her 10:23pm: How many people do you need to fuck this weekend?
      Me 10:31pm: well I was shooting for 25 but it’s looking more like 24.

      *crickets*”

      generally solid exchange…except for your last response = beta…do you see how this is the opposite of ‘assume the sale’? and how you took yourself out of the sexual interaction by assuming that she wasn’t ’25’…while at the same time triggering her ASD…

      better possible answers =

      well, i was shooting for 25, but i wanted to get them in before meeting you

      lol, we’re just friends (this is the one i would go with…)

      just enough…but we’re just friends

      needs got nothing to do with it, but we’re just friends

      etc…

      do you see how this disqualifies her? and puts her in the chasing role? by pushing the plausible deniability/only friends angle you avoid the ASD AND get the meet up…then, escalate…

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    • This was really helpful. I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something.

      She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, so I think it’s still on. I don’t really care, but I’ll milk it for the practice and see what happens.

      I opened this girl by giving her a hard time for being a feminist, if that gives you an idea of the tone of our interaction. She qualified herself really hard right from the beginning.

      When she said she was looking for friends I said this:

      Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.

      Her: Hahaha that’s hilarious. I would love to have more friends who were content with being just friends.

      Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?

      I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious so I’m trying to deconstruct the whole thing. I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach.

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      • on November 13, 2014 at 2:51 pm having a bad day

        @confused

        “This was really helpful. [you’re in the right place to learn…props on taking action…] I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. [at some point it gets fun…lol…spotting/passing/instigating shit tests is the only way to escalate on quality girls. review YaReally’s comment above on triggering shit testing to pass them and build attraction…] I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something. [yep…and up your quality anyway…lol]

        She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, [that’s what a ‘chase me’ ping text looks like…lol] so I think it’s still on. I don’t really care, but I’ll milk it for the practice and see what happens. [that’s what i ALWAYS recommend…lol…like YaReally notes above…stay sexual, but not AT her…then, escalate in person only, with logistics locked down…bc ‘i had planned on just being friends, but you really impressed me with blah, blah and i couldn’t help myself…’ note – you can easily role reverse this post-bang, if you want to keep her chasing/don’t want to bang her again/use her as a pivot to her hot friends, by saying that you only really wanted to be friends and that you can’t do that (sex) anymore…cause it will ruin your friendship…lol]

        I opened this girl by giving her a hard time for being a feminist, if that gives you an idea of the tone of our interaction. She qualified herself really hard right from the beginning.

        When she said she was looking for friends I said this:

        Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.

        Her: Hahaha that’s hilarious. I would love to have more friends who were content with being just friends.

        Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?

        I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious [it’s the internet…lol…also, bc she can…it’s a beta filter (note – this is bread and butter rolodex page for most girls…)…guys that just ‘get it’ (see Rational Male for more…) handle the shit testing/attitude and push through, so it’s a win for her…] so I’m trying to deconstruct the whole thing. I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach. [broaden your reach by getting those good natured girls to overtly talk about sex…that’s the really win for YOU…lol…ALL girls like that stuff, but those ‘good girls’ rarely get it, bc beta/white knights would NEVER go there…lol…]

        good luck!

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      • “This was really helpful. I’ve never been shit tested that hard. Honestly, I don’t really get shit tested all that much. I’ve been thinking this means I need to up my quality or something.”

        lol this is barely even a shit-test to me. This is just playful flirting. This kind of thing is part of why I don’t really worry about my fuckbuddies/GFs (the feisty ones, which tend to be my type) hooking up with a bunch of other dudes…you’re a guy STUDYING pickup and this totally threw you. Girls like this tend to be bored by guys who can’t keep up with their humor, and are extremely attracted to guys who can. That’s why you get the two extreme ends of the spectrum where they either vanish completely or chase you, once you pass a certain point.

        “She did eventually reply, she said “Meeeeg” whatever that means, so I think it’s still on.”

        Ya, it’s a ping txt. So she’s into you. If you had followed your txt up with a bunch of “sorry, that’s just my sense of humor sometimes” or something, like second-guessing yourself, you probably wouldn’t have gotten this txt. By not following up, your response may not have been the BEST, but you didn’t make it WORSE. And it was at least sexual etc. So like, you probably didn’t really go UP in value much, but you didn’t go DOWN in value…which should cause her to just test you more.

        Think of it like this type of girl wants a guy who can go back and forth with her in terms of sexual humor and kind of giving eachother some hassle…but she wants a guy who’s consistently and congruently THAT. Most guys will be weeded out by her initial tests, but of the ones who pass it she’ll test more and more to figure out which ones landed a lucky comeback and which ones are congruently “THAT guy”.

        Once she’s satisfied she’s found one of “THOSE guys”, she’ll help make shit happen because she knows that’s rare and she had to weed out so many lame guys to find it. Unfortunately this can take a while (tons of testing and texting before she’ll meet up) and she can often not be worth all the effort/wait despite what a prize she thinks she is in her head lol So just make sure you have other shit on the go…once she’s flipped that switch and decided she wants to meet up though, like I say, you shouldn’t have any problems in person because you’re no longer convincing her, she’s convinced herself.

        If I was you I wouldn’t reply at all till after Sunday. You’ve pitched a meetup. You told her you don’t want to be her text buddy. You have other shit on the go. 99% of guys would reply to her “Meeeeeeg” txt and lol at it or ask what it means etc. By not responding at all you’re basically setting the frame of “if you want me to reply then get with the program, I’m not going to be your txt buddy reacting to everything you send to give you attention/validation”.

        ‘Cause that’s the OTHER side of the trap, is that to test you she’ll want to do a bunch of texting and shit…but the texting is validation for her, so she ends up getting her validation fix from you through the texts you’re sending when you’re trying to pass her shit-tests to get her to come meet up so you don’t have to text…confused yet? lol

        That’s why this can become kind of a clusterfuck and I put these girls on the slow-track in my mind. It’s like the sword that they give you to defeat the dragon actually takes away your health so ya you can kill the dragon with it but you can also end up in a situ where that very sword kills you first.

        Often with these ones I’ll pass a bunch of shit-tests and give them my txt validation for a week or two, and then pitch a meetup and just go 100% radio silent until they accept. Like I pass enough tests that they know “ok this guy could be one of “THOSE guys” I’m looking for…”, but then I stop playing along with their shit and pitch a meetup and don’t engage anymore of their shit that isn’t “ok I’m free Sunday”. It’s like saying “look, I know I’ve passed your tests and I know I want to meet up. If you want to meet up, cool, if you don’t then find some other guy to keep giving you this validation”. If you do that AFTER you’ve passed that hook point where they’ve decided you’re probably one of the rare “THOSE guys” types, often she’ll balk at meeting up and then try to get you to validate her like with the “Meeeeeg” ping text, and when she sees you’ve stopped biting, in her head she thinks “aw he’s not playing along anymore. 😦 he wants me to meet up…I don’t know if I’m ready for that, I was enjoying our little validating text sessions. But I’d rather meet up and have him than lose him because I think he’s one of “THOSE guys”…ok fine, I’ll txt him that I’m free Sunday”.

        Like, it’s kind of giving her an ultimatum but all sub-communicated. You’re not mad or frustrated, you just don’t see a reason to further engage if she doesn’t want to meet up because your time is valuable and you know your worth. Sometimes you’ll get 2 or 3 weeks of silence, maybe even a month or two depending on the girl, after that before she finally breaks and txts to meet up (I figure this is because she tries talking to some other dudes instead, who may be better looking etc. than you, but she gets bored by all of them because they flinch at her tests, so then a few weeks later she’s like “aghhh I miss THAT guy, he was more interesting than these chodes”).

        That’s why when they’ve decided you’ve passed their tests, they chase hard (esp if you start pulling away), because they’ve compared you to other guys and have decided “ok no, this is the one I want right now. Gimme!!”

        This is easily the most complicated personality type to game and while I still try just for the experience/practice, I legitimately view gaming this type as a big annoying chore lol I love the back and forth shit-testing eachother stuff, but these girls are such a juggling act to avoid being stuck in text-buddies limbo while keeping their interest that in my head I’m just like “ehhh, your pussy doesn’t shoot out magic rainbows, this isn’t really worth it to me” lol I’ve also found that a lot of times these girls in person are kind of like the female equivalent of a douche, and aren’t even that great in bed (high ego can prevent them from thinking they have to contribute more than being witty outside of the bedroom and having a pussy).

        Anyway, her ping text means she’s interested. But I wouldn’t respond till after Sunday, to teach her that when you offer a meet-up, she should accept it because she won’t get your validation otherwise. You meet on your terms, not hers.

        “Me: Yeah that’s cool I’ve been looking for more female friends. I can never seem to make it into the friend zone.”

        hah that’s not bad. I might steal that.

        “Me: Oh yeah, I guess that’s probably unusual. The grass is always greener. Anyway, let’s meet X at Y?”

        Solid, in that you aren’t engaging her shit, you’re just like “huh oh ya, I guess. So anyway let’s meet up” which is pushing things forward like I recommend. Again even if she doesn’t meet up, it’s fine…you’re just showing your intent.

        “I’m really fascinated by what it takes for a woman to be this obnoxious”

        The thing is, she’s really not that obnoxious…she’s just got very specific standards and needs a specific type of guy to pass those standards for her to be interested/attracted to him. It’s her instinctual defence mechanism for weeding out guys that she would ultimately be disappointed in or bored by to avoid wasting her prime child-bearing years and all that.

        Think of it like having “no fat chicks” in your profile lol It’s just her equivalent way of weeding out a huge group of men that she wouldn’t be attracted to in the first place.

        “I usually attract really good natured girls who would never overtly talk about sex first, but like I said, I’m trying to broaden my reach.”

        Ya, most guys go for those girls. Thing is a lot of the time they go for those girls not because they prefer and are fascinated and really engaged by them, but because they have no idea how to handle girls like this. I don’t want to call it going for the low-hanging fruit because those “good natured girls” come with some perks and stuff, they’re still a fun experience…but it’s kind of like sticking to Easy Mode because you want to just enjoy playing the videogame and wouldn’t have fun playing on Hard Mode and Hard Mode may not even reward you with the perks that you like even if you DID destroy it, to make it worth the hassle.

        Like there’s no better or worse, it’s just what you prefer and what’s compatible. It’s fine to not like feisty girls as long as it’s because you actively aren’t attracted to them and that’s a conscious decision, and not because you just get overwhelmed by their shit-tests and don’t have the skillset to handle it. Like if a dude wants to settle down with a fat chick, I mean, to each his own, he’s free to do what he wants…but there’s a difference between him settling down with a fat chick because he really likes her and doesn’t mind the weight and she has a bunch of perks and maybe he thinks skinny girls are shallow or whatever VS settling down with a fat chick because he doesn’t know HOW to get a hotter girl or doesn’t feel like he has the skillset or value to get one.

        Anyway, I would do radio silence till she either agrees to meet up Sunday (could happen Sunday afternoon or evening) and then give it a couple more days and then text her. I wouldn’t jump on any fri/sat “I’m at bar blah come see me” because that’ll be a bar where she has massive value and a bunch of orbiters you have to compete with and usually she’ll just ignore you and tell her girls “look how many guys come when I tell them to” lol

        If you get a fri/sat “come meet up with me” text and you feel in your gut that the fri/sat text is her wanting to actually meet up (like she’s like “my friends left and I’m bored”) then I would tell her “meet me at Other Bar in 30 min.” and pick a bar that she has to walk a couple blocks to, so that she has to actively remove herself from the potential trap situation…this helps weed out whether it’s a trap, because if it IS a trap she won’t want to leave the bar she’s at (she may even SAY she’s going to and then when you txt “where are you??” she’ll say “still at Bar, come get me” in which case you just stop texting her completely the rest of the night cause it’s definitely a trap) because that’s where she’s got all her value and orbiters and wants you to walk into that shit-show. But if she’s actually horny and wants to fuck, she’ll meet you at another nearby bar.

        For what it’s worth I think you can get this chick. She’s into you because she’s doing ping texts. You just have to play it smart and not fall for her tricks.

        Let us know what happens lol

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      • Man, this is really good stuff, and I’m proud of myself because I’m already on the same page. I wasn’t going to text her back until kingdom come if she doesn’t reengage, but maybe I’ll shoot her something next week. I’ve always done “above average” with girls compared to my friends, I’d say, but I’m really enjoying pushing the envelope. I got a semi-chubb when she sent that text, so I think I kind of like it. Right now I’ve got 3 dates this weekend and I’m still hooking up with my ex, so for the first time in my life I’ve sort of got the right frame of mind for this stuff. I will keep you guys in the loop.

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      • @Confused
        If you don’t hear from her and do have to re-engage next week, don’t mention her flaking or your previous offer or anything like some guys will want to go “you missed out it was a crazy night ;)” but just don’t. Not with a 22yo who’s attractive. You give no fucks, you had other shit going on that was way more interesting than her and you barely remember even inviting her. You’ll invite her out again, but you give no fucks if she accepts your offer or not.

        Sometimes with those girls they’ll txt on like Sunday morning if our plans were for Sunday afternoon and if I feel like she needs some punishment, I’ll tell her “sorry too slow, made other plans lol we’ll hang out next week” like not butthurt at all, just like if you don’t jump on my invites then I’ll find other people to fill them and I won’t cancel on those people for you sorry, next time don’t fuck around when I allow you the opportunity to hang out with me.

        And if I think she REALLY needs punishment then even tho I say “we’ll hang out next week” I just don’t offer her another chance to hang out for a few weeks, to let her get frustrated with the whole situation lol so that when I DO invite her out, she jumps at the chance and is scared to fuck it up and go through all that again.

        But that shit takes patience and it’s not a one size fits all thing. I don’t think this girl has done anything to warrant that much punishment, I’m just throwing it out there for guys in similar situs or for future girls who DO dick around and not value you and make you go “ok I need this girl to understand that she needs to get with the program”.

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  32. Another story to share…girl who is hot, went out with friend who dumped her. I’m friends with both. Girl has always given IOI’s since the dumping. IOI’s became more overt the more I ignored and was seen with other chicks in front of her. I helped her on a project she was working on. One night I texted her to see if she was up for beers. She was at home…drinking…and insisted I come over. I hesitated thinking about our mutual friend (ex bf) but went. We drank and banged each other’s brains out. After that she was totally cool, even joked about “not interfering” in my other girls. Wants to bang me again.

    I tell this story because i’ have been thinking and experiencing “Hypergamy” theoretically and first hand.

    Women will bang you if they think you’re higher value than their current dude…that’s it.

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  33. If your girl shows signals that she’s on the market to other guys… don’t second guess yourself, use a cell phone spy on her phone!

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  34. – My boyfriend is cheating on me.
    – maybe she’s good in bed
    – But I ‘m good in bed too! / Better than me? No way!
    – dunno that

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  35. Anyone watching The Affair? Fascinating look at the Borderline Waif and her whiteknight savior. In the dynamic the couple are having an affair cheating on their respective partners. Dominic West plays a beta author with 4 kids pussy-whipped by his wife and constantly patronized by her rich parents who support him. The woman in the scene is a waitress in the small Long Island resort town Dominc West and family spend their summers at. he’s a total beta having second thoughts about banging her…always wanting to “talk”. The story is told from both perspectives his and hers as they give statements to a detective about some crime that we as the audience don’t quite understand early in the series.

    Check out the scene….how beta he is.. She asks him where in the world he’d like to live….and…

    .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMZz0MIcR-s

    Note how he immediately sits like a fag after projecting into the future, how he looks to her for approval after spinning that story.

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  36. you da man

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  37. on November 13, 2014 at 9:07 am Hammer of Love

    Off topic, but definitely worth a viewing. This is an example of a college level debate championship held recently. Hold on to your seats, and may God help us all, as America is fucked. Enjoy your diversity.

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    • This CANNOT be true… not even in The Onion’s wildest flights of farcical fancy could this video be of the actual debate.

      Please… tell me this is a gag… I’m begging you.

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      • on November 13, 2014 at 9:47 am Hammer of Love

        Oh, its true alright. Might as well burn the constitution and wrap the ashes in old glory, the goose is cooked. I’ll see you all poolside.

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      • These gals make Nicole sound like Stephen Douglas.

        (((shakin’ mah haid with an extra bit of sadness)))

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    • Are you promoting this language to distract people from the slick “white” language Obama uses that is looting the treasury, destroying your pension and making your children slaves in the land their forefathers conquered?

      Your deflection has been noted.

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      • Speaking of deflection!

        Thwack, I’m a pretty good bullshitter myself, but every so often, it’s grand to hear a true PROFESSIONAL.

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      • thwack, can you just once address the point on hand directly ? Do you believe the example presented should represent college level debating skills ? Even you have to agree, that this nation has sunk to a level beyond repair.

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      • Shut up ol man!

        Giving black people worthless trophies and fake praise is SOP for preventing their improvement.

        stop fightin these set ups; don’t give em no statue, give em guts!

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      • on November 13, 2014 at 3:10 pm Hammer of Love

        ” Giving black people worthless trophies and fake praise is SOP for preventing their improvement. ”

        So you agree knumb-nuts. That display of black ” intellect ” has no place in college. Thanks for proving my point.

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    • on November 13, 2014 at 3:11 pm Weeping for America

      My God… Who lost to them?

      Oh wait – it was two black teams competing for a Black Debate Championship.

      Back to normal now. My Son’s 5th grade class would kill both teams. In English.

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      • The interviewer made it sound like a “National” championship among all colleges.

        Heh, heh… The Original Black Debating Championship:

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  38. Your son is hiding in some corner of the internet weeping and jacking off just like you are.

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  39. Female PTs with male clients are very common. However, it is EXTREMELY unlikely and HIGHLY unprofessional for one of them to send messages about her personal life to a client. Ergo, the story is either bullshit or the female PT sees the male client as a personal friend NiceGuy Gentleman White Knight, and we all know what that means.

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  40. Had a similar experience a while ago:

    Chic i work with tells me out if nothing that she has no BF and that she doesn’t want one right now (underline that part). Then proceedes to tell me that shes got a “oh so haaawt FF”…. Even tries to force me to look at pics of the dude and than continues to admit that she’s playing him like a fiddle. As I show no interest in the convo she drops comments like “I’ll get back together with my former BF” “FF does everything for me” “I own him”…..

    Verry flirtatious at times even initiates Kino but throws huge shit tests back. “don’t u dare touch me”

    That chic also announced that she “has to take her pill right nooooow” every time we meet at work I seriously don’t need a watch when she’s around;)

    Signs everywhere?!?!

    Two years ago I would’ve taken the bait like a true beta pet boy.

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  41. PT: My boyfriend is cheating on me
    Guy: Thats cuz u fat

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