The Myth Of Effortful Game

Zombie Shane demurs,

Honestly, I don’t know that these “mindgame” chicks are worth the effort.

Unless maybe you’ve gone full-blown nihilist and you’re determined to tap EVERY SINGLE god-damned piece of ass which crosses your path – bar none.

But, again, in all honestly, I can think of a bazillion things I’d rather do than waste any calories pursuing a “mindgame” chick.

Life is just too damned short.

…to blow prospects because of bad game.

Chicks play mind games. This is what they do. It’s a part… of their bioengineered faaaantasy. Women employ these mind games to sort worthy alphas from feeble betas. They can’t help it any more than you can help staring at a firm ass and pert tits. So your choices are either get with the cosmic program and learn how to make reality work for you instead of against you, or drop out and become a sourpuss.

The very crux of your complaint is wrong. There really isn’t any effort expended in picking up chicks once you get the hang of it. It’s pretty much all upside to watch a girl’s face brighten with newfound desire because you successfully pulled her limbic strings. How long until you’ve got a smooth seducer’s rhythm going? Figure anywhere from three months to two years, depending on your innate suite of attractiveness traits.

The reason game sounds like a lot of effort has to do with the nature of describing subtle human interactions in print form. In the real world, these moves occur in millisecond bursts, and hardly take any energy at all. When you have internalized how to behave and speak with women, you spend no more energy seducing them than you would brushing your teeth. And it feels like even less energy expended, because you’re having fun.

But the human mind is complex and explaining its psychology and its interplay with other human minds in ways that can be easily digested by a lot of readers necessarily requires effort, which makes the act being described seem like effort. The typical 500-word post on this or that game technique distills to a few seconds worth of action in the field.

If you really want to contrast energy expenditures between different styles of courtship, you’ll find that game-adherents come out far ahead in the metabolic savings sweepstakes. For example, compare the familiar and oft-touted (by know-nothings) traditional beta male with the oft-ridiculed game-utilizing ladykiller.

Beta male:
Mentally struggles to approach one girl, Spends five hours talking to her before summoning courage to ask her out. Becomes exhausted trying not to say stupid shit, and trying to memorize every word girl says. Goes on seven dates and spends hundreds on drinks and meals and travel before getting her to his bedroom. Gets a make-out and goes on five more dates before getting a handjob. Sex comes three months in, but only after intimations of marriage worthiness.

Ladykiller:
Approaches are mentally simple because he does them all the time. Spends twenty minutes to one hour talking with a girl before getting a make-out. Speaks one third as much as the girl speaks. Goes on two dates and spends $20 on drinks. Picks her up for third date, has sex with her instead, then goes on date. Three months of orifice clobbering and he still hasn’t agreed to exclusivity. Marriage is but a distant abstraction.

Moral of the post: If game feels like “wasting calories” to you, then perhaps you’re in the wrong line of work.





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  1. on July 26, 2013 at 1:49 pm Customer Service

    You need to address your thoughts on Mark Minter’s marriage. Outspoken anti marriage advocate marries 34 year old woman with another man’s child.

    Mr. Minter wrote that his fiancee has “options”. She might be hot, but biologically how many good years left? Are the alternatives so poor in America? Does Mr. Minter have a severe case of bipolar disorder?

    Does having a best friend, truly a best friend of the opposite sex – justify marriage. He’s 54, so approaching the downslope of his SMV (not knowing his job, status or income).

    My personal feelings are congratulations – especially if the woman is Red Pill – whenever two Red Pill people meet, men or women, it becomes a warmer day in hell.

    No disrespect intended in the above to Mr. Minter or Kate. Also, I understand if you know these people personally and don’t want to publish an opinion.

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    • on July 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm FuriousFerret

      “We must discuss the royal wedding” LOL

      Can someone photoshop a pic of Kate Middleton and William with the heads of GKate and Mark Minter?

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    • I don’t believe this.Even the most clueless omega morons know that marrying a 34 years old with a trailer is a suicide pill.

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      • Sure but what most people seem to be forgetting is that saying you’re “anti-marriage” or will never get married is the ultimate disqualifier. Which is why it works. Whether he actually means it or not is pointless, because it establishes him as a man who won’t bend to a woman. He’s not the one doing the chasing, and sometimes if you get chased hard enough, it can really begin to feel like its worth it.

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      • this is true. when I first got divorced, I was naturally bitter and not afraid to speak my mind. Now I do it strategically to game once I realized how well it works. It’s amazing how effective it is to say “I have absolutely nothing to offer a woman”. Chick crack.

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      • on July 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm Customer Service

        “I have absolutely nothing to offer a woman.”

        This is probably one of the best lines I have ever heard.

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      • I have nothing to say. Am I being detained, or am I free to leave?

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      • on July 27, 2013 at 11:08 am OralCummings

        Minter made a good case for being agin marriage.BTW did anyone see the broad from the Zimm trial,the juror who said he “got away with murder”? This puerto rican slob has EIGHT KIDS!!! EIGHT FUCKING KIDS–and she “works” as a nurses aide or some such bullshit. Point–and I do have one heh heh–what about making white children??You want the USA to become a retarded welfare parasite Paradise?? I guess you have to buckle down and do it and make a few sons and just work it. Being childless is a losers game. As Churchill once said,”White women are the worst women in the world…except for all the others.”

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      • Except the part about you bending to do the thing you said you’d never bend to do.

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    • She showed him some pictures of her lady bits and all his beliefs went out the door.

      That’s the amazing thing about men…all the sound logic in the world and a lady comes around and it gets stabbed in the back.

      I’m sure I’ll fall victim to a siren spell too. They are a pleasant distraction.

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      • on July 26, 2013 at 6:00 pm Customer Service

        Very plausible. He took the same bait at 54 as he did prior. He’s still in the “honeymoon” phase of a relationship. As recent as Nov 2012 he was single.

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      • She showed him some pictures of her lady bits and all his beliefs went out the door.

        Doubt it. You know how easy it is to find pr0n on the interwebz?

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      • Read his story again.

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      • Just look at the odyssey sirens, they were irresistible, he had to be tied down!

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      • “She showed him some pictures of her lady bits and all his beliefs went out the door…… I’m sure I’ll fall victim to a siren spell too. They are a pleasant distraction.”

        You judge your brothers too harshly. Men act like men (even if you don’t act like one), and they do get moved and turned on by women and their bodies. It’s normal and natural. Why would you shame a guy for being normal? You always sound so resentful and angry with respect to women. I wonder if you ever go out on dates or get any sex. No doubt, your weirdness makes you unattractive to women so you lash out here.

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      • He’s shaming him for flip-flopping. It’s the same trait we despise in political candidates for office, friends, and anything else. Sliminess, slipperiness, whatever you want to call it.

        When a man says one thing and does another, his word (and worth) is only about as far as you can throw it.

        Imagine you ranted endlessly about how horrible the French were and how much you despised France and how no one should ever go to France and how people who went to France were traitors to their fellow countrymen and you stirred a lot of muck and raised a lot of hackles and caused a lot of grief and noise.

        And then one day, after a year of this, you announced to everyone, “So long folks, I’m off to go live in France, a beautiful country!”

        Minter is moving to France.

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    • They match each other pretty closely in SMV, imo.

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    • “whenever two Red Pill people meet, men or women, it becomes a warmer day in hell.” Disagree. Now ‘red pill’ is just another social scene, and look, we have a celebrity couple.

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      • on July 26, 2013 at 6:19 pm Customer Service

        You’re right, I’d like to edit that paragraph so here goes.

        “My personal feelings are congratulations – Mr. Minter secured a woman 20 years his younger who swallowed the Red Pill – not a requirement for a Happy Marriage but a valuable component of one. He is entering the years of his life where men usually see diminishing returns on their dating efforts. He’s calculated that the effort:reward ratio of doing better than Kate to be quite small – Kate reinvigorated a place in his heart that was otherwise made quite cold. He fell in love with her mentally and physically.”

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    • He’s 58 for goodness sakes, and she is 24 years younger than him. What else do you want?

      Many women, even very feminine alpha-seeking ones, won’t go for such an age difference. That’s what he meant by “she has options.” Kate is pretty and relatively young. He got a good catch. A man has to settle at some point. If you keep looking for something better, you end up with nothing. There is no end to better. At some point, you need to say ‘I got good enough’. It’s like selling stocks at the high. If you wait and wait to sell, always thinking the price would go higher, eventually you will miss the height and by the time you see it you lose money. This is why you need to be satisfied with something good and not keep on looking and looking until you end up with nothing. You jealous haters need to stop already.

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      • I’ll throw out my congrats to them.

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      • Thanks, Lily. Thanks corvinus 🙂

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      • do you think you would have another child with Mark?

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 5:37 pm OralCummings

        The important thing is DONT….GAIN…WEIGHT! One may think a fuller butt,fleshy thighs rounder hips and a bit more jiggle in the bosom may be sexy,but dont kid yourself! Of course,the same advice applies to you,Kate…(See what I did there? I flipped it! Hee hee )

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      • A woman going on a tirade against hypergamy. I hope you take your own advice.

        It really is backwards day at CH.

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      • “…backwards day…”

        You got that right. But this ain’t the only one. This is just one of the biggest ones.

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      • My thoughts exactly, tater.

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      • hypergamy doesn’t have anything to do with realizing it’s time to enjoy the roses and stop looking for better. You’re misapplying it here, just like you call a change of heart, hypocrisy. The real hypocrite is you because as a religious person (which you claim to be) you wouldn’t be speaking ill about marriage, and worse of all badmouthing two people who are trying to do the right thing and get married, as opposed to having sex out of wedlock and fucking up society even more. Seriously, it’s time to stop the criticism of these two. Who knows if this union will work out in the longrun. It might fail like so many before it. But, at least they are willing to try, so why disparage them?

        OK, marriage might not be for everyone, and many times it doesn’t work out. But the ones who have courage to take the plunge shouldn’t be chastised for doing so. They should be supported and wished well. As a religious person, you should be praying for their success, not bitterly contesting it. You have posted so much vitriol against Mark on various sites, how does it affect you negatively if he gets married? Is it a case of misery loves company?

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      • Ahhh…. you’re having a field day with this, I see.

        “He got a good catch.”

        Seriously? Is this still CH’s blog?

        “A man has to settle at some point.”

        SERIOUSLY? Has to? Says who?

        “If you keep looking for something better, you end up with nothing.”

        Yeah. Nothing except a damn fine galore of pussy hopping.

        “There is no end to better.”

        No, there is. You keep doing whatever you have been doing all along. If the SMV recedes, you start paying for sex.

        “At some point, you need to say ‘I got good enough’.”

        I guess 34 yo mother of one isn’t a high point at all, even if I were to entertain this argument.

        “It’s like selling stocks at the high. If you wait and wait to sell, always thinking the price would go higher, eventually you will miss the height and by the time you see it you lose money.”

        Some of us like to hold our stocks forever. Maybe the dividend is too good for us. Maybe we like control of our companies. Maybe we are fundamentally strong, and day to day variances don’t bother us much. Maybe we are just concerned with the annual profits of a company, and our share of that.

        Oh, and Warren Buffet is one of us.

        “This is why you need to be satisfied with something good and not keep on looking and looking until you end up with nothing.”

        Fucking 6 different women at a time is not good? That’s nothing? Well, not to me. Thank you.

        “You jealous haters need to stop already.”

        Ahhh… Cute. Suddenly all men are secretly desperate for marriage because one sorry excuse for a man decided to get hitched.

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      • A man needs to settle at some point? End up with nothing? Is this just a place to socialize for you? Do the articles here mean nothing more to you than a topic of conversation to get things started for girl’s night at the internet hangout? I skip over the massive mutual preening comment blocks when the ladies here take over the middle of every comments section, so I can’t be sure, but I think you’ve been posting here for a while. Otherwise I’d have to ask if you are trolling.

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      • on July 26, 2013 at 8:22 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        Concur with Lily. I personally know of a case. 28-year old single mom of a 7-year-old boy by a jerk) in Colorado. Gal has no PARTICULAR “work credentials” but is is white, with two good brained/hardworking parents – ie, employable at most real-world medium level jobs.

        Captured a divorced 50 year old guy.

        So in my estimation: Kate’s success is catching another husband in today’s USA Marriage Market is: the median expected result

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      • Lily: “Many women, even very feminine alpha-seeking ones, won’t go for such an age difference.”

        Incorrect, I’m male, 53 and the extent of my game is upright posture and direct eye contact across the room, I’ve had six women in their twenties approach me. One or two of them have been explicitly sexual in their approaches.

        All but one of them are perfectly fit looking women, even so, she hasn’t exactly been hit by the ugly stick.

        Congrats to the happy couple, too. Get your happiness where and when you can.

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      • So you’re one of the rare ones; it doesn’t make you the rule. Also, you might look a lot younger than you are. The point is though, most 20-somethings don’t date a 50-somethings, no matter how alpha he is. If you managed it, good for you, but it’s not the norm.

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      • “If you keep looking for something better, you end up with nothing.”

        I predict he will end up with nothing.

        There’s worse thing than ending up alone.

        Like ending up with no money.

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    • on July 26, 2013 at 5:09 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      Beta male:
      Mentally struggles to approach one girl, Spends five hours talking to her before summoning courage to ask her out. Becomes exhausted trying not to say stupid shit, and trying to memorize every word girl says. Goes on seven dates and spends hundreds on drinks and meals and travel before getting her to his bedroom. Gets a make-out and goes on five more dates before getting a handjob. Sex comes three months in, but only after intimations of marriage worthiness.

      Ladykiller:
      Approaches are mentally simple because he does them all the time. Spends twenty minutes to one hour talking with a girl before getting a make-out. Speaks one third as much as the girl speaks. Goes on two dates and spends $20 on drinks. Picks her up for third date, has sex with her instead, then goes on date. Three months of orifice clobbering and he still hasn’t agreed to exclusivity. Marriage is but a distant abstraction.

      GBFM:
      Spenedz tweananey minutes reaidngz Homer’z ILIADZ lzozoozlzozoo . sendz mass text to all my hottiez “lotsa cockas 4u my place first cum firts servez lzlzl” spends hour tunring awy the 9’s on the dorr monitor video screen until a 10 shows up drunk on beta-paid alacocholzzl zzzl . buzzesz let’s her up. gizziiizgzizigz zzzllzzloozlzloozloz gigzzgizlzlzooozozzoozozoozo on her face!! lzzlzlzlozo tells her gotta get up for work tomorrow. she says, “oh really where do you workz?” lzozozolzozo GBFM, “its complicatedz time 2 go good nightz” zllzlzo

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    • Is she even hot?

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  2. So there is one big mentality that you need to cross in order to take game from a “chore” and into a realm of potential pleasure.

    Tony Robbin’s expanded on this topic in “The Giant Within”. Switch your pain/pleasure principles and it gets better and you become a bit less detached to the outcome.

    Beta Male
    1) Pain – Approaching and getting rejected
    2) Pleasure – Not getting rejected

    Lady Killer
    1) Pain – Not approaching at all
    2) Pleasure – Approaching and having it turn into a successful interaction and seduction.

    It seems that the problem with Zombie Shane is he still hasn’t completely crossed the bridge yet so I can see where he’s coming from. Sure, it’s tiring at first having to come up with shit-test busting quips and to also chasten yourself to avoid the 7 Questions.

    Over time though, it does become second nature and this kind of mentality permeates all areas of your life whether it be work, family or interactions with your friends. So far, it has been worth it to me.

    There are beta males who know how, but can’t do.
    There are beta males who do, but don’t know how.
    And then there are us. Maybe the 5-10% who are grinding and achieving social success on our own terms.

    Keep hustling.

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  3. Heuristic: if it feels like a lot of work, you’re doing it wrong?

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    • awesome, this should be carved in stone somewhere

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    • I have always lived by this. People to do much to little or do something out of order, hence difficulty. Alphas have mortgaged their failures to realms of life unimportant to social context and betas have not. As these things rearrange the titles will shuffle with them as well. Being informed as the people of this place are, we all know how to keep our title in times of turmoil.

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    • Working out felt like a lot of work to me back when I was a fat fuck. Now it’s a part of my lifestyle, but back then it was a LOT of hard work.

      Still got me here you know?

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  4. I think it just feels like work to some guys b/c it sucks getting rejected… But at least you improve over time.

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  5. Mindgames such as… ? Playing hard to get? If it’s sh*t testing we do it subconsciously (or at least I do). If I throw a crying fit over something stupid I’m not consciously thinking “hmmm, he better not put up with my bursts of irrationality”, I’m just upset. I don’t think of it as a game.

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    • Somebody has to define “mind game.” Women do not have the capacity for advanced, conscious mental/emotional manipulation. That’s a man’s bailiwick.

      Gaslight, anyone?

      As Amy indicates, if they are gaming you, they are gaming themselves at least as hard. The only men who are consciously manipulated by women are boys with their mothers (and mother-surrogates), which is more of a neurotic anomaly than an influence over the masculine state of mind.

      Really, I don’t get it. And I’m not sure how it fits into a game ethos. Aren’t men with an ability to be gamed by women otherwise known here as beta males?

      And if they aren’t conscious of what they’re doing, isn’t that less of a “mind” thing than it is an involuntary (if predictable) impulse? Women have a feel for getting their way, not a deliberately executed strategy. It all derives from her self-centeredness, which morphs into a sense of entitlement, which causes her to act certain ways in the absence of manly restriction. Can it really be called a “game” when she doesn’t know she is playing one?

      The most advanced game I can imagine a woman attempting is to make a girly voice and bat her eyes — but that is so obvious to both parties that it is a mutually accepted joke. Whatever you call it, it’s not worthy of the name “mind game.”

      Matt

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      • Soap opera mythology notwithstanding, of course.

        Male feminist writers write female parts about diabolical femme fatales — in Basic Instinct or Body Heat or The Last Seduction or even Dirty Rotten Scoundrels — but like most things they write, it is pure fantasy. These women do not exist in the real world. They don’t have the planning ability, the patience, the discipline, or the acting chops to execute mind games. Only men who are so laser-focused on getting pussy could achieve a project of that scope and complexity.

        When female feminist writers attempt the same character creation, they’re really showing their nature. Name a single authoress who ever wrote a plausible femme fatale. I’ve seen a couple of highbrow TV series lately written by women and by the end I’m always laughing at their absurdity, as if anyone could mistake their empowerment fantasies for something that could actually happen.

        Matt

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      • I think playing hard to get is probably an example of a more conscious mindgame…. in the beginning you want the man to pursue and so of course I wouldn’t initiate or lead the conversation, so that’s not really game playing, but at some point I will WANT to contact or sleep with the guy. And I don’t because I have to play the game.

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      • I don’t play hard to get…I play hard to have.

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      • I play hard to hate.

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 5:41 pm OralCummings

        I play hard to forget

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      • Playing hard to get and making him pursue is also a great way to get clingy betas. Just sayin’.

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      • And playing too easy to get is a demonstration of low value and makes you pump and dump bait. It’s all a matter of degree.

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      • And playing too easy to get is a demonstration of low value and makes you pump and dump bait.

        Only if you’re fat or otherwise plain-looking.

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      • @corvinus

        “Only if you’re fat or otherwise plain-looking.”

        No, men can lose respect even for a hot girl. Men can lose interest too once fucking her is out of their system. It’s best for women not to be too easy, and not to be too much of an open book at the beginning. A Guy needs time to build his love for a women. Getting it all too fast ruins the deliciousness of slowly unraveling a gorgeous girl and severing the moment. Men who are too inexperienced in seduction want to pump and dump as soon as the lay eyes on a hot girl, lest they lose the chance to fuck her. Why would any girl allow herself to be shortchanged or regarded so cheaply? Why would she let any guy pump and dump her unless she has emotional issues? No, a girl wants to savor his seduction, and that requires slowing down – not being too easy, as well as remaining a bit of a mystery at first.

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      • I savor your malapropisms.

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      • Lily, you apparently don’t quite realize that I’m not talking about actually going all the way and having sex in this sense, since dudes will naturally tend to look askance at girls like that, or just use them for sex.

        But if a girl plays head games and hard-to-get even before the initial stages, such as making out, then it’s clear she ain’t all that into the dude, and if he persists, it’s because he’s a beta who has gotten oneitis over her — and she knows it. An alpha would walk away and find somebody else.

        This is what I meant when I told Amy that hard-to-get is a great way to get betas and drive away alphas.

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      • It’s good you’re savoring, because severing is a technique of sabering champagne bottles we can do in Vegas. I’m sure you’re ripe for the technique 😉

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      • Silly me, corvinus. Of course we’re only speaking about fooling r’und; nothin’ too serious 🙂

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      • Clarification: not just to get clingy betas, but to weed out alphas who have lots of other options. You don’t want to do that, now, do you?

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      • Right, it’s like a kid playing chess with Kasparov. Maybe it feels like a game to the kid, but is it really fair to definite it as such?

        Every “deliberate” female attempt to manipulate a man with her mind is something most men instinctively see to the bottom of — and if they don’t, that’s where the PUA.com Industry comes in to help them. Now, guys can play along for shits and giggles, but lady:

        Never send to know whom the girl games; she games herself.

        She is fooling herself more than she can possibly fool a man (desperate beta males the voluntary exception). Can anyone here not really tell when a woman is “playing hard to get” or is using her body in exchange for something else? Let’s not mix up willing participation with getting played.

        Matt

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      • “Every “deliberate” female attempt to manipulate a man with her mind is something most men instinctively see to the bottom of…”

        See, for example, the female parent (I won’t dignify her with the term “mother”) in the recent viral video about 14 year old Parker Leverett. She is a pathetically transparent manipulator. You can almost hear the unlubricated wooden gears grinding inside her little head.

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      • And being too easy to get is a great way to get pumped and dumped. It’s all a matter of degree.

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      • I’ve seen girls trying to play with me through texts or emails (won’t answer right away, etc), but once I meet them they just can’t do it, they are completely absorbed by their desire.

        Girls read “gaming” magazines or blogs (Elle and all that bullshit), that’s part of pop culture now. The “mind games” come from there (“make him wait”, etc). The thing is, they won’t even think about it if you are a non-emasculated man, because they are just too self-absorbed by their desire.

        I’d say, reduce your non face to face time to a minimum if you want to avoid mind games.

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      • The last sentence is absolutely true, but if the guy is so alpha-hot I’m completely absorbed by desire, I am definitely still thinking about making him wait. In fact, I’m thinking about it more, because not only is it going to be incredibly hard to do (resist)… I think it’s even more necessary with this type of guy.

        But if you have never had a problem… my hat’s off to you!

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      • Matthew if you keep making sense it will make it more work to hate you. Please spew a little more pompous inanity, please. Thank you.

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      • “The most advanced game I can imagine a woman attempting is to make a girly voice and bat her eyes — but that is so obvious to both parties that it is a mutually accepted joke. Whatever you call it, it’s not worthy of the name “mind game.”

        But it works. It can soften or turn a man on like her crying can. So in a way it is mind games.

        “I’ve seen a couple of highbrow TV series lately written by women and by the end I’m always laughing at their absurdity, as if anyone could mistake their empowerment fantasies for something that could actually happen.”

        It doesn’t have to be too sophisticated for a man to react. It could be stupid chatting and flirting.

        Yeah, you’re right; it’s done at the unconscious level, but so what? It still works, and that’s what CH is trying to explain. In other words, who cares if it’s not the stuff of a mastermind? It’s not supposed to be. Yet, it just works. Men react to it on the subconscious level, just as females do it unconsciously. Much of attraction is also subconscious.

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      • It doesn’t have to be too sophisticated for a man to react. It could be stupid chatting and flirting.

        Then calling it a mind game is a misnomer. The mind is not involved at all.

        Perpetrating a mindgame requires a level of deliberate, conscious manipulation. I’m not getting semantical here: if a woman is unconsciously playing games then it makes no sense to get fed up with them like Zombie does in the original post. It’s like getting upset over a cat howling in heat, rather than spaying her or breeding her (or suffocating her).

        Matt

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      • “suffocating her”

        Hardcore, eh?

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 6:01 pm OralCummings

        It starts with abuse of animals….

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  6. on July 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm The Scolds' Bridle

    Honestly, I don’t know that these game-hating comments are worth the effort. Unless maybe you’ve gone full-blown h8er and you’re determined to “correct” the worldview of EVERY SINGLE god-damned blogger that crosses your path – bar none.

    But, again, in all honestly, I can think of a bazillion things I’d rather do than waste any calories telling some blogger that he is wasting his time

    Life is just too damned short.

    Fixed it.

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  7. Every chick plays mind games. It’s in their nature. So to think you’re not gonna waste time on a girl who’s into mind games will be a time-waster in itself. Every girl I’d banged was into mind games of some sort.

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  8. “Beta male:
    Mentally struggles to approach one girl, Spends five hours talking to her before summoning courage to ask her out.”

    This is where the energy gets uselessly expended. Psyching one’s self out of (or into) approaching instead of just doing the damn thing.

    While “mindgames” are par for the course, a ladykiller also knows when to abandon his (meager) investment. Betas cling to the flawed theory of a sunk cost. “Well I’ve spent this much time/money/had sex with her, I don’t want to throw it all away just because she’s batshit crazy.”

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  9. on July 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm Holden Caulfield

    From what I see on here, you can break down a lot of the commenters into:

    a) actually goes out and engages socially
    b) doesn’t go out, doesn’t engage socially, or both

    The commenters in the b) category can’t conceptualize or apply the teachings here because they literally have no framework or experience (from being out socially) with which to identify with a fact or described situation that is under the heading of “game”. They refuse to learn the very social skills which would help them and have the benefit of socially skilled posters trying to help them. They flail and wail and bitch instead, while quality posters, like YaReally, are offering sound advice. Its too bad, because women love love love socially skilled charming males and as science and CH have pointed out, these behaviors can be learned.

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    • on July 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm ate the red pill.

      I work in a very social setting (bartender). I get what you mean. A lot of these guys are socially inept. I see it every day… sad really, these bumbling beta pussies that think a line their dad taught them and a drink will get women to like them.

      I know it is a low-status, subservient job, but the service industry taught me so much about social interaction. A year of restaurant work is like 10 years of just going out to the bar. Social interaction is my life, and I still needed game to step it up to higher quality women.

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      • I highly recommend guys learning game and learning to break out of their introvert shell take a job in the service industry. Bartending is great, work in a clothing store, get a part-time job as a salesman in a mall…basically anything that forces you to interact with a lot of people.

        You’re just teaching your brain that it’s okay to talk to strangers and helping it learn to improvise conversations and building reference experiences for new social habits.

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      • bartending = epic win for any guy, i’ll have to do it next year

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    • Yep. Like I’ve said before, guys who go out and legit push their skills at this all come to the same general conclusions. If a guy disagrees with me (and by extension the rest of the PUA community), he’s just mentally masturbating theory because we would be the FIRST to tell everyone “go get 6-pack abs and become a millionaire” if that’s what was required to slay hot vag.

      Field experience is king and the backbone of the entire PUA community. A lot of guys who get into it now just see it as a commercialized industry with a mix of legit guys and scammers…but they don’t realize that there was a time (back when I got into it) where a bootcamp “fee” was “let Tyler crash on your couch” because we were all sharing this information for free with eachother as we unravelled and tested the main concepts.

      Like Tyler says in this video, if you posted “here’s an idea I think would work” everyone would make fun of you and tell you to go fucking try it. Try it 10 times, in a good mood and bad, on different types of girls. THEN you can share it and we’ll all go try it like that too.

      Always a fan of this vid:

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      • YaReally,

        You don’t bring me flowers (RSD videos) anymore. What’s up? Your fans expect more.

        You’re the self-imposed boss of this community. We bow before you, but we expect more. Instead of telling us how to be a loser monkey dancing in social situations, why don’t you tell us how to bond a female to us so intensely that they want to—beg for—our seed to impregnate their eggs—not only to have our babies, but to raise them into children, as fathers, into men, and ultimately, people?

        Didn’t think so.

        Gentlemen, including my most favorite crush in the whole wide world, Immoral Gables, if you want a female to lust for your children, you must do more such that she longs for your progeny. YaReally isn’t teaching that to you, is he, little boys? YaReally teaches you how to sniff butt. You want to do that for the rest of your lives?

        There is nothing so sublime as having a female BEG you to bear her children, something YaReally can never teach you, because he’s never known the feeling.

        I support the male readers of the Chateau, but NOT the pussies of the Chateau… you scrubs can fuck off.

        Your loving admirer, avd

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      • AVD

        People will start taking you seriously when you do two of the following

        1) You start going out
        2) You start cold-approaching women
        3) You start adding value

        We’ve read your rants at here and Rational Male…..no one takes you seriously. You come across as a 45 year-old Dad wearing Sketchers cross-trainers and Wal-Mart Dad Jeans.

        Go out, do some approaches, let us know how it goes.

        PS – Your rants are getting weirder and weirder as we go along. When was the last time you got laid.

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      • Immoral, I want to give you a big fat kiss on the mouth. Please, sir.

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      • ur so retarded its funny (and i rarely comment)

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      • AVD: Yareally generally preaches “Cool, Confident, Fun” kind of game rather than the dark “the more women I manipulate the better” kind of game. I can see how through your tinted glasses going to clubs for any other reason than pulling pussy, interacting with other human beings without there being an ulterior motive other than for fun and actually enjoying yourself could be “pussy game”, but it’s a great alternative for people who lack the stomach for being a sociopath. Personally having as much sex with women as I can doesn’t take precedence over my morality or me living life how I want to live it, so I use his and RSD’s version of game over generally what Heatiste would say to do. That said, the information from blogs like this is invaluable in understanding how females really work and why what works works and what doesn’t doesn’t. Hate to involve myself in an internet argument but dissin’ someone because they use a different type a game.

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      • Pole,

        Check this out: I agree with everything you just wrote, except for your closing sentence: “dissin’ someone because they use a different type a game.”

        Of all the infinite characters in the MS, I dog on one only: YaReally. Why do I do that? Because of his extreme disrespect for all of us. Do you think I agree with all the commenters’ various styles of game, or even the proprietors? I don’t. Not at all. But I also feel no need to counter them on every point of disagreement. Why? Because they are men, sharing their life experiences with us in an open and honest way—something that is very difficult to come by in the non-internet world. Do I dog on Ya for his style? No, of course not. To each his own.

        I dog on little boy Ya because he is so disrespectful to the community. There are many men in this community who have been royally fucked by females (I’m not one of them, though I have friends who have suffered on that anvil.) When these damaged and broken men express their truths and realities in a most humble and open way in this community, I say a silent prayer for them, and respect them for sharing. I would NEVER, in a million fucking years, roll up on some hurting man’s comments in this community and slap him with an “lol,” as if I were better than him.

        We’re all on this trip, and it’s not always easy. I try to treat this community as sacrosanct—the only fucking place in the world where men can express themselves as men, without fear of female shaming tactics (lol). My comments are caustic to make a point, and that point is that perhaps in this one sacrosanct place in our lives, we should allow everyone free expression, sans the fictional need to AMOG one another.

        As was quite obvious in a recent Ya post-fest, he believes in the entire concept of the (for profit driven PUA community) concept of the AMOG. Well, he brings that worldview and attitude with him in every comment that he posts (and infects young/inexperienced men with it). But, whatever. I’m happy to let him share his worldview, SO LONG AS HE ALSO RESPECTS THE WORLDVIEW OF OTHERS, including men who are not as “advanced” as him.

        Pole, do you find that disagreeable?

        I believe that YaReally is exactly what he has presented himself as being, and I have attempted with generous patience to abide his expression. I could give a fuck what he teaches. The reason he raises my ire is because he disrespects the wide spectrum of men in this community… and actually that is a sure sign of insecurity. Note this, Pole: have you ever seen me dis anyone BUT Ya and his gay little followers? No, you haven’t. And why? Because I respect the very wide spectrum of life experiences that are expressed in the MS. I LEARN FROM THEIR SHARING. What Ya’s faux attempts at being the alpha boss of this community accomplish, is muzzling men from sharing their true life experiences… life experiences that we all learn from, even if we don’t share them. His social dynamic muzzling denies all of us from an open sharing. That matters.

        In fact, I’ll extend this olive branch to Ya right now. Ya, recant from your dissing of commenters in the MS, and you will never hear from me again. Post all of the RSD videos you want… it doesn’t bother me in the least.

        Reading some man’s honest expression of his life experience, followed by your inane lol attempt at framing yourself to be “alpha”, beneath this honest guy’s expression of his life… that fucking irks me. And I will hound you and expose your weaknesses until you grow the fuck up and allow everyone to work out their own path in their own sweet goddamned time.

        And this is for the proprietors, all of you: allowing Ya and his ilk to run roughshod over your communities has DIMINISHED the quality of the conversation. It has fostered a culture where young/inexperienced men feel entitled to come here and snipe, snark, bitch, moan and whine. This in no way serves any of us—even the little bitches themselves. They would be far better off led by commenters who express their arguments in the language of logic. Otherwise, they will go through life thinking that it’s ok as a man to express oneself via female language—shaming, framing, solipsism, strawmen, emotion (lol) and the like.

        Ok, time to wrap up. To Ya and his followers: pursue whatever path works for you; I honestly give not one single motherfucking shit. However, be respectful toward the community, and understand that YOUR way is not THE way. By adhering to this one little precept, you will never hear from me again… which should be ample incentive.

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      • @avd

        I left you a long in-depth reply over at Rational Male:

        http://therationalmale.com/2013/07/29/the-script/#comment-21661

        I hope you’ll give my counter-points some deep thought and consideration. I look forward to making amends with you.

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      • If you don’t want to scroll down to find YaReally’s answer to AVD on that other forum, it was a simple “LOL” as usual. He was being sarcastic in saying he wanted to get along with others here who won’t suck his dick. 😉

        As Matthew King noted below, CH is allowing a simplistic AMOG type of commenting style here because it apparently serves some kind of higher goal of teaching American betas something basic. CH is probably happier that YaReally displaced XSplat as the main commenter here because XSplat was into some kinky advanced stuff like converting his household staff into a harem (CH was impressed with their photos).

        This blog is for sticking to the basics which means Zombie Shane can be taken out of context in order to teach beginners that, yes, game really works.

        Above or below, I wrote more comprehensive advice to YaReally about how to be more effective here

        1. Ditch the AMOG attitude. This forum isn’t a set we’re competing on in some night club. Unless one thinks of young wannabe PUA readers wanting to suck your dick because you’re good at writing LOL all the time.

        2) Drop the absolutism. Women aren’t really all the same and, even if they were, circumstances and sub-cultures would still change their behaviors to certain stimuli. In addition, there are more than a few ways to skin a cat.

        And stop trying to tell us that we all secretly want sluts.

        3) Remove the chip on your shoulder about money and power.

        YaReally comes across as the type of PUA coach who thinks it’s better to be the 22nd lover of a woman who tells him

        “You know, my previous 21 lovers were all betas who thought they could string me along forever with cash and a great pad to crash at. But you’re the alpha I’ve graduated to.” 😉

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      • This is the most fascinating ode to butthurt I have ever read.

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      • on July 30, 2013 at 8:23 am A divorced dad who got FUCKED by women and the feminist system

        I’m awesome by “real man” standards. The standards of the WWII generation. It doesn’t work now because the boomers failed us and let the women win, and now their female children, the Gen X and younger women, are running *feral* motherfuckers.

        Go on match and meet these delusional 38 year old bitches who divorced their perfectly good husbands because of divorce fantasy whispered in their ears by their evil female “BFFs” and these delusional cunts think they are going to be better of with a 38 year old also divorced with kids man….victim of divorce fantasy, and they are too stupid to even comprehend how dire their situation is now and one day they’ll be 42, 47, 52 years old…and they should have kept the husband who would have grown old with htem.

        oh they also divorce thinking they are “modeling” being a strong independent women for their daughters when they should be modeling staying in a nuclear family in the absence of physical abuse. god damn it.

        But Ya Really is a 31 year old child. It’s easy to still feel and look 26 or even 21 when you’re 31. I know I did. But age hits fast, bitch. Ya Really has not experienced being 38 yet and being through some shit.

        I don’t care how alpha you are…this bulslhit about alpha tactics keeping things fresh inside a marriage is BS. When you decide to settle down, finally, you *will* face the same problems every married man has faced….she just gets older and more boring and sees you as the same.

        And the system allowing child theft by women has destroyed a generation.

        Generation X got *fucked* royally by the baby boomer druggies.

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      • “When you decide to settle down, finally, you *will* face the same problems every married man has faced….she just gets older and more boring and sees you as the same.”

        That’s why I’m learning how to handle multiple-LTRs, open-LTRs, and harems (not the paid hooker kind Anonymous seems to love lol) and how to manage a relationship without marriage being involved, etc.

        I’m liking the Primary GF, Secondary Fuckbuddies/Mistresses, and Tertiary Randoms system so far (I’ve written about it in my archive). There are other PUAs experimenting with non-traditional relationships and avoiding marriage (while still having/raising kids, etc.). We’re attempting to find a solution using our own lives as guinea pigs instead of pissing & moaning about how unfair life is and how shitty our marriages are.

        We figured out pickup/seduction. We’ll figure out better long-term relationships and family arrangements too…even while you insult us lol

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      • on July 28, 2013 at 3:10 pm Dan Fletcher

        Do share.

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      • Cool story bro.

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      • Congrats to Kate and Mark. I don’t know what she looks like but I was at a wedding last night where I met a 40 year old married 9 who looked better than her teenage daughters. I actually felt left out when the daughters wanted to dance with me all evening and competed with each other by texting me afterwards. I wanted the mother. Mark may have found another such exception to the rule in Kate. The genes of an older terrific woman will have long telemeres, making her more ideal to reproduce with than someone under 21 who may have genes that cause her and your potential daughters to hit the wall at 22.

        If a guy disagrees with me (and by extension the rest of the PUA community)

        Wow. Just wow. While you write a lot of good material here, that Freudian slip might explain, YaReally, why you also feel you can dogmatically write about things you wouldn’t know anything about, such as what it’s like to look middle aged and out of shape and still game women 20 years younger, how unfair it is for men to have to pay taxes, etc. 😉

        Because you tend to belong to the Purist Absolutist PUA faction, you’d go batshit if CH reposted such classics as “When it’s OK to Fib” and “It’s Not Necessarily Beta to Pay for Sex”. Your disagreement would apparently place him outside the mainstream of the PUA community.

        To be fair, we all know the PUA community is split along a dozen or more fault lines, including differing experience patterns between age groups, income groups, IQ ranges. For instance PUAs close to the average IQ are going to score more of the fat part of the bell curve because those with similar IQs attract each other, but these same men will lose with the high self-esteem high GPA college girls. Rules of the game, and especially the theories behind them, would end up differing slightly between these PUA factions.

        One big fault line among PUAs is the type of women various factions target such as virgins, bar sluts or still-beautiful and low-count red pill women like Kate. The Darkside goes for the virgins, the Lightside goes for the Kates and the seemingly pro-feminist PUA coach industry types teach men and convince themselves to go for the more “challenging” bar sluts.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if Jizzabel writes an article soon embracing the fact that the PUA coach industry artificially raises the overall SMV (demand) for the more challenging, enlightened, entitled women in the American bar scene.

        Another fault line is the infamous conflict of interest between PUA coach types and those fellow PUA practitioners they see as potential male customers. CH wrote a great post about this. The way many see it, a coach will want to convince men that a man’s money is so unimportant to women in dating that he may as well give away all of his disposable income for coaching services. The potential coaching market would also be mass warned not to travel to any foreign countries or else the offending disposable income spenders will be called an epithet like “beta”.

        Cults do the same thing by saying “give us all your money because you won’t need it to establish your goal of being happy and satisfied”.

        This type of marketing is counterproductive for the coaching industry because the type of men who earn significant incomes, weren’t born yesterday when it comes to recognizing the above conflict of interest.

        Unfortunately, this marketing tactic is also in line with feminist ideology because it artificially raises the SMV (demand) for the carousel riding American women and, based on the myth the PUA coaches spread that using money or travel will fail to boost an alpha’s sex life above what an alpha will otherwise get, it helps feminists convince younger men to vote Democrat and be OK with spending 30% of their allegedly useless future incomes on taxes that bring about a wealth transfer to the same women they may want to seduce; without so much as a blow job in return.

        Older PUAs, who aren’t in the coaching industry, have a different POV and they’re just waiting for the Young Turks and their young clients to grow up or start paying taxes themselves, so they’ll realize the value of money and how smart men really don’t want an equal distribution of wealth between single men and women.

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      • “Wow. Just wow. While you write a lot of good material here, that Freudian slip might explain, YaReally”

        There’s no Freudian slip there. I’ve spent a good chunk of my life involved in the PUA community, and I’ve studied more different styles of game than a lot of people realize even exist. I happen to have an extremely good memory, so I’m basically a walking encyclopedia of PUA information. The shit I talk about is backed up by shit-tons of experience by thousands of PUAs from the last 10+ years. I’m fully qualified to say that if you disagree with what I’m saying, then you’re disagreeing with the PUA community’s findings/experiences in general and you’re free to disagree, but you sure as fuck better bring some compelling evidence to the table beyond “trust me, when you’re MY age…” or “I think it’s all a scam” or “the same type of game won’t work on this type of girl”, because we have guys shitting all over those limiting beliefs daily.

        “why you also feel you can dogmatically write about things you wouldn’t know anything about, such as what it’s like to look middle aged and out of shape and still game women 20 years younger”

        I can write about this because the PUA community has a fuck-ton of middle aged out of shape men gaming women 20 years younger. I can link you to hundreds of thousands of Field Reports over the last 10 years if you feel like doing some light reading. Also if you ARE middle-aged and out of shape, get in shape and take care of your body/health and grooming. You should look like you give enough of a shit about yourself to take care of yourself, but you don’t have to be hot.

        Every bootcamp instructor in the world gets older guys attending and takes them out in the field to approach girls.

        “how unfair it is for men to have to pay taxes,”

        I’ve never commented on this.

        “Your disagreement would apparently place him outside the mainstream of the PUA community.”

        Yes. CH isn’t a part of the PUA community, and I don’t think he tries to be or cares, or even really considers himself a “PUA”. On PUA message boards, we aren’t linking Rollo, or RooshV and discussing their shit…not because their writing isn’t quality or anything, but because with anything related directly to picking up girls, we’re already light years ahead of the Manosphere.

        I’ve called out CH on his writing before, when it doesn’t gel with PUA knowledge, and in fact my first post in the Manosphere ever was on an article CH wrote about how BradP’s Horse Girl opener doesn’t work, where I explained how/why it does work, in the right context. CH has no problem with my writing, even when we disagree.

        This whole chunk of your post here:

        “For instance PUAs close to the average IQ are going to score more of the fat part of the bell curve because those with similar IQs attract each other, but these same men will lose with the high self-esteem high GPA college girls. Rules of the game, and especially the theories behind them, would end up differing slightly between these PUA factions.

        One big fault line among PUAs is the type of women various factions target such as virgins, bar sluts or still-beautiful and low-count red pill women like Kate. The Darkside goes for the virgins, the Lightside goes for the Kates and the seemingly pro-feminist PUA coach industry types teach men and convince themselves to go for the more “challenging” bar sluts.”

        This is all nonsense from a fantasy world inside your head. There’s no difference in the types of women. Hot intelligent low-count lawyer chicks in the daytime respond to game the same way ditzy bar sluts at night respond, when you’re good and congruent. I’m sorry if this shits on your reality, but you should base your reality around going out and gathering field experience instead of building silly theories in your head.

        The PUA coach industry convinces men to go for the girls they want, regardless of what type of girl that is, because all women respond to game so we don’t care what type you go after, as long as you’re going for it out of desire rather than scarcity and lack of skill.

        “the PUA coach industry artificially raises the overall SMV (demand) for the more challenging, enlightened, entitled women in the American bar scene.”

        Most bootcamps involve daygame as well as nightgame. And there are some coaches who run daygame bootcamps exclusively. You are just making retarded shit up.

        “Another fault line is the infamous conflict of interest between PUA coach types and those fellow PUA practitioners they see as potential male customers.”

        You are an idiot. There are hundreds of thousands of pages of free game related content out there to learn from. RSD puts up multiple free videos every week. There is a TON of free information out there. I specifically DON’T recommend bootcamps to people BECAUSE there’s so much free information out there that you can learn game on your own. A bootcamp can help you learn faster because a guy who’s experienced at game and teaching it can spot your sticking points easier because he’s seen and helped guys fix them a thousand times, but you don’t need to do it.

        You are like someone saying “personal fitness trainers just want you to think you need to lift weights to build muscle so that you’ll buy gym memberships! It’s all a scaaaaam!!” Like, no, you’re stupid. You can just go lift a heavy box if you want and you’ll get in shape. There’s no grand conspiracy here.

        You would know this if you went out. Because guys who go out and approach and bang a lot of women come to the same conclusions. Again, you’re just rattling off nonsense from your fantasy world in your head of how you assume things work, the same way feminists ramble about how they want Nice Guys and not assholes. That’s just not how it plays out in the real world.

        “based on the myth the PUA coaches spread that using money or travel will fail to boost an alpha’s sex life above what an alpha will otherwise get”

        Money and travel are both good, and they can afford you opportunities to MEET higher-quality women (ie – I’m not getting into the same parties Leonardo Dicaprio is partying at)…but they aren’t attractive in and of themselves, they aren’t necessary to attract women, and at the end of the day it will still come down to being one on one with the woman and whether you have enough game to seduce/bang her and keep her around.

        “Older PUAs, who aren’t in the coaching industry, have a different POV”

        Yes, they have the POV of guys who don’t go out. They have the POV of guys who’d rather piss & moan instead of fix their shit. They have the POV of this guy:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/off-the-grid-game/#comment-453824

        Where they just make up excuses and rationalize away their problems. Here’s my reply to that guy:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/off-the-grid-game/#comment-453958

        And here’s another guy, a 38yo divorcee with 2 kids responding about how he has none of the same problems the other guy has:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/off-the-grid-game/#comment-455666

        Why? Because his inner game is tight and he’s not making excuses and living in a fantasy land where he’s a victim.

        “so they’ll realize the value of money and how smart men really don’t want an equal distribution of wealth between single men and women.”

        Who the fuck said anything about that? I have no idea what tangent you went off on toward the end of your rant lol.

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      • @Anonymous

        “Cults do the same thing by saying “give us all your money because you won’t need it to establish your goal of being happy and satisfied”.”

        Ya man, look at this asshole Tyler trying to scam MORE money out of everyone. What a bastard, you’re right there’s totally a conspiracy to just make money off poor saps, Tyler practically says it flat out right here in his grand money-making scheme to charge you thousands of dollars for his products:

        “Quote:
        Back in the day CAMERAS were too expensive and so the only way we could afford to RECORD videos was to do DVDs and sell them.

        These days cameras are CHEAP and we can give away everything for free.

        The only only only thing that irritates me a bit is when guys are like “Give away HOT SEAT” for free. It’s like FUCK OFF we give you every damned thing for free, I’d love to give away Hot Seat and someday in another 5 years when I can think of a way to keep RSD successful without Hot Seat I plan on doing so — like maybe when I have some new program of some sort. But for now until I see that lane open up for us there’s gotta be some sort of product in there somewhere, and HS is much better as a LIVE event regardless cause we can make it interactive.

        So as of now, yeah I want people to spend a bit of money, but do it on Hot Seat which is by far our best program anyway. Everything else just download it I don’t care at all — go watch Foundations and Blueprint, they’re GOOD!

        Tyler”

        lol

        Go download Foundations and Blueprint and then tell me again what “Older PUAs, who aren’t in the coaching industry” have done to help men the way these evil horrible money-grubbing PUA coaches have.

        There was a time when the price of a bootcamp was “let Tyler sleep on your couch”.

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      • You can lookup the CH post on PUA Coach Hucksters, YaReally.

        I was talking about coaches going insane because they need to pay their own rent. But, if you want to say they go insane because they want to religiously proselytize their message, that’s even worse!

        There’s something gay about the idea that Tyler wanted to sleep on the coaches of other males.

        Religious proselytizers are almost always asperger’s victims. They can be right half the time and their words can be wise and useful, but they have to recognize where they are wrong half the time and keep an open mind while not fighting with all those who want to talk about the exceptions to the preacher’s rules. AVD just made a valid request to you about that and you sarcastically answered LOL as usual (which isn’t an AMOG or alpha move, it’s just weak).

        Your “enemy” Matthew King was a religious proselytizer when he first came on this board (Christianity instead of PUA Coach Fanatism), but he seems to have more quickly learned respect for his fellow commenters and, by respecting others, he has become one of the best commenters of all.

        AVD is only asking you to stop thinking you’re the only god here. Others here know as much or more as you do. Accept that.

        You spent your first year arguing with XSplat on this forum and didn’t learn anything from it. You probably thought you were cutting your teeth on dead wood. The only reason you may think you won your arguments with him (despite the fact that the blog host was impressed by the hotness of the harem concubines who cleaned his house and kept to a tight budget) was because of what Matthew King just wrote below, that CH will allow someone like you to spread a simplistic message for beginners and condemn advanced practitioners, because CH mistakenly thinks we should not confuse newbies here.

        Here’s some good advice

        1. Stop thinking that trying to AMOG other men works to win the respect of men toward your ideas. It doesn’t even work much to win the respect of women. If you recently wrote a comment promoting this tactic because it worked for you once or twice, you should take a course in statistics.

        Trying to AMOG other men makes it look like you’re insecure. And writing “LOL” compounds the impression that you are both insecure and full of hot air. Sarcasm doesn’t work that much either.

        2. Stop being an absolutist. PUA studies is not something dogmatic to religiously proselytize. There are many different strategies for getting hot women into bed, especially when guys like you want sluts and other guys want virgins.

        I could say “All women can be bought” and score a harem of sugar babies like XSplat as a result of my absolutism (and I have done this. Xsplat’s advice was golden). You can say the opposite, that “All women despise men who think they can buy them,” and you can BELIEVE that this is true because you’ve had sex with a few women who told you this about so-called betas who tried to buy them (if they succeeded and you fucked them as sloppy 22nds, then you were the beta.).

        (In fact, if any woman ever told you that she left a previous sexual relationship because “he thought he could buy me” you may not realize it but that’s the same as saying “he was a jerk”. Women love jerks, including those who succeed in buying them. If such jerks got there first, you are the beta in the equation, and no amount of “but they exploited her financial situation when she was young and needed to pay the rent” will change that. That only makes you look more like a beta feminist male).

        Regarding your absolutism expressed here so much, a smart guy would conclude that all women are not the same and different strategies work on different women. Farewell absolutism. Hello travel and trying out different venues and sub-cultures rather than staying, for instance, in the hip hop night club scene or trying to relive “A Night at the Roxy.”

        3. Remove the chip on your shoulder about wealth and power. You will be gray haired and middle aged in two short years. I’d advise you to start working on getting some wealth and power because game alone won’t cut it too much for you in 7 short years when you round forty (although lying about your age could win you 10 extra years).

        Admittedly I have know some homeless “Big Lebowski” types in their forties who could still tap the occasional college student while living on fumes.

        But they had to borrow my pad so they could fake it.

        When you can write an essay on how taxes are meant to keep men from expanding their harems, you’ll fit in better around here. The Marxist idea that men don’t need money in middle age, so it doesn’t matter if the State redistributes the wealth, is subversive.

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      • @Anonymous

        lol, this is completely a waste of my time, but your rant was so surreal I had to reply:

        “I was talking about coaches going insane because they need to pay their own rent. But, if you want to say they go insane because they want to religiously proselytize their message, that’s even worse!”

        …what? Going insane? What are you even talking about?

        “AVD just made a valid request to you about that and you sarcastically answered LOL as usual (which isn’t an AMOG or alpha move, it’s just weak).”

        No, it’s me trying to get across to him that I don’t care about him or his weird obsession with my awesomeness lol

        “he has become one of the best commenters of all.”

        lol.

        “AVD is only asking you to stop thinking you’re the only god here. Others here know as much or more as you do. Accept that.”

        There are guys here who know their shit. I give them props when I see it. Then there are guys who are full of shit that get mad when someone calls them out on it.

        “You spent your first year arguing with XSplat on this forum and didn’t learn anything from it.”

        lol. XSplat was an alcoholic who couldn’t have fun without the sauce, who had a “harem” of poor 3rd world hookers he paid to be around him.

        “The only reason you may think you won your arguments with him”

        I don’t care about winning arguments. I’m just spreading how shit works.

        “Stop thinking that trying to AMOG other men works to win the respect of men toward your ideas.”

        lol. Seriously man, I don’t care about your respect. You’re not important to me, in general. Like I don’t know how to get that message across to my haters. These rants are cute and everything, but I’m not trying to gain anyone’s respect or be a “god” of the community. I’m just here explaining game and helping guys who are looking for help. The whole “who’s the most respected” and “but what if CH disagrees with you” and “who won that argument” thing is silly drama. The only reason I acknowledge it at ALL is that you guys spout a bunch of incorrect nonsense and assumptions about PUA teachings and game in general, and I like to correct that for the guys reading this stuff so you don’t waste their time sending them off on retarded tangents away from information that would help them improve their lives and understanding of women/social-dynamics.

        “If you recently wrote a comment promoting this tactic because it worked for you once or twice”

        I can pretty much guarantee I’ve spend more time socializing and applying these “tactics” than you, AVD, and Matt King combined. And that’s not counting the hundreds of thousands of PUA Field Reports from the last ten years that corroborate the success of certain tactics.

        It’s not my fault that you’re too lazy to go out or to read Field Reports and choose to believe the data isn’t out there.

        “Trying to AMOG other men makes it look like you’re insecure. And writing “LOL” compounds the impression that you are both insecure and full of hot air.”

        lol. I just don’t care, man. You’re not who my posts are for.

        “Stop being an absolutist.”

        Never. lol.

        “There are many different strategies for getting hot women into bed, especially when guys like you want sluts and other guys want virgins.”

        Game works on both sluts and virgins. Attraction is attraction.

        “I could say “All women can be bought” and score a harem of sugar babies like XSplat as a result of my absolutism (and I have done this. Xsplat’s advice was golden).”

        lol. Are you seriously bragging about buying hookers? Way to go, do tell me your secrets. Do I need to fold the dollar bills lengthwise like at the strip-club when I pay them to pretend they like me?

        “You can say the opposite, that “All women despise men who think they can buy them,””

        I COULD say that…but I’ve NEVER said that, so I don’t know what tangent you’re going off on here. Are you just so blind with rage that you’re swinging blind? lol

        “In fact, if any woman ever told you that she left a previous sexual relationship because “he thought he could buy me” you may not realize it but that’s the same as saying “he was a jerk”.”

        uhhh…what? No woman has ever told me she’s left a sexual relationship because “he thought he could buy me” lol. But then I don’t hang out with hookers like you seem to so maybe that scene is different…?

        “Women love jerks, including those who succeed in buying them.”

        lol…”succeed”. brb, I have to go succeed at taking a dump. Then I’m going to succeed at breathing air.

        “If such jerks got there first, you are the beta in the equation, and no amount of “but they exploited her financial situation when she was young and needed to pay the rent” will change that. That only makes you look more like a beta feminist male”

        uhhh, okay? lol…I think what I like about my haters is that they say such random things. I can’t even look away from this, I’m so curious where you’ll take it next. You make me miss Matt King because he can at least form coherent thoughts.

        “a smart guy would conclude that all women are not the same and different strategies work on different women.”

        Just to see if I’m getting your point right…does this whole “YaReally hates other strategies thing” you’ve built up in your head involve the two strategies being “learn to be attractive and pick women up” versus “pay for hookers”? Like, is buying hookers a strategy to you?

        “Hello travel and trying out different venues and sub-cultures rather than staying”

        Oh I game in all sorts of venues. I’ve picked up in malls, festivals, on the street, etc. And I’ve travelled, tho I plan to do some more in the future. I just focus on nightclub game right now because it’s convenient for me (I work during the week, and the women are done-up at their hottest at nightclubs, plus I like the challenge of all the chaos).

        “Temove the chip on your shoulder about wealth and power.”

        There’s no chip. If you have it, awesome. It won’t get you laid if you don’t have any game (unless you’re buying hookers), but good on you for achieving it. Just don’t slack off on learning game and going out and socializing and picking up chicks to earn more money or another percent less body-fat because it’s not going to automatically get you the girl.

        “You will be gray haired and middle aged in two short years.”

        nah, I’ve got a few more years before the gray hair sets in.

        “I’d advise you to start working on getting some wealth and power”

        Thanks, tips. I’m working on it, though replying to your weird rants is cutting into my work time. lol

        “because game alone won’t cut it too much for you in 7 short years when you round forty”

        I’ve got plenty of time.

        “(although lying about your age could win you 10 extra years).”

        lol, I don’t lie to girls. But I don’t pay for hookers either, so…

        “When you can write an essay on how taxes are meant to keep men from expanding their harems”

        lol what is with you and taxes? I’ve never talked about taxes. So fucking weird, I love it.

        “you’ll fit in better around here.”

        I think I’m doing alright. The only guys who hate me are the guys who are butt-hurt that I’m calling out their lack of Field Experience or shitty skill-set.

        “The Marxist idea that men don’t need money in middle age, so it doesn’t matter if the State redistributes the wealth, is subversive.”

        oooookay…? When was I talking about the state redistributing wealth again? Do you have me confused with someone else on the Internet that you’re angry with? lol.

        ❤

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      • Sorry YaReally, but just because you want to frame this discussion as if I’m not in the field and and doing better than you, doesn’t make it so. I’ve seen photos of what you consider ideal so I know for a fact that I’m doing better. Along with a regular girlfriend, I’ve got three sugar babies aged 19, 19 and 20 who were virgins when they met me. They want to marry me. No chance of that, of course.

        And I was only out of shape for a short while, mainly because the harem members didn’t tell me there was a problem. When another woman their age rejected me by saying “sorry but you look so old and out of shape” I finally got the message.

        RSD advice is great to see. You aren’t talking to a game hater here. I read what you write. Much of it is good material.

        But you’re also naive to call sugar babies hookers. There’s a world of difference, mainly being that sugar babies are normal low count girls who will be the night club sluts of tomorrow if their sugar daddy doesn’t give them the proper advice to marry an upper beta at 22.

        If you fuck sluts, you’ve been with women who were probably sugar babies when they were 18 and needed the money more. So you get sloppy twenty seconds to the guys who knew when and how to get the women earlier.

        Your use of the word hooker made it sound like you were the one getting the lower count women. Watch your use of words. Say sugar baby when that’s what you mean.

        I’m just giving you advice not to get so hostile with others who might be doing better than you are in terms of the looks and low count aspect.

        Your chip on your shoulder is still evident from the way you said that money offers the opportunity to MEET more high class women. Your implication is that it does no good after that. That’s more theory than reality on most of the earth. In a feminist environment where they are old enough to earn enough on their own, maybe that’s true where you are.

        But even then, if you know how to game the type of women who love money (half of those who don’t have a career yet), it doesn’t just help you meet them. There’s no reason for the coach industry to deny this, unless they’ve been brainwashed by feminists re: how immoral it is to “exploit” women. One assumes we’re talking about the same alpha, gaming with and without money. He will do better with it, unless he’s a super alpha.

        That doesn’t take away from regular game studies. It doesn’t take away from learning how to game women with the handicap of having no cash.

        Just don’t pretend that a poor alpha does better or even the same as a rich alpha.

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      • So yes, you ARE advocating buying hookers as game. Lol. Amazing.

        You can fancy it up with cutesy terms like sugar-babies…hell you can call them super dinosaur robot bananas if you want. But you’re still buying hookers.

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      • Like your idol Hugh Hefner has been paying for sex for 50 years, Ya. If you employ a woman or she wants employment with you or your contacts, you’re getting paid sex. Hefner has had mansion playmates on salary since the seventies and it was always ultimately a paid position for them anyway.

        Almost all successful men fall into paid sex situations they’d have to be gay to squeeze out of because the supposed high class women around them want it that way.

        If you want to be naive and call that hooker sex, that’s your childish semantic game. Bosses who fuck their secretaries are getting paid, non-hooker sex in most everyone else’s definition.

        Here’s a test you can run. Tonight, open a set and say you stumbled over some things in your apartment on your way over. Say “Man, I need to hire a maid right away”.

        Your target will laugh. You can joke with her about how she can be your maid. Get sexual if you want. Talk about her skimpy uniform. It won’t turn her off.

        Then, if she’s not a career girl or feminist, she’ll surprise you. She’ll ask how much will you be paying. You can say whatever, say $100 for what will take less than an hour. Say you only really need the dishes washed and the kitchen floor scrubbed. Watch yourself get an easy date for the next night.

        Then game women as usual for the rest of the night. Remember, your experiment is not going to change your status as an alpha or beta nor your reputation. You didn’t HAVE to do what you just did.

        Next night, you will be getting to know each other while she does your dishes and after she helped you make dinner. If she really likes you and she’s a good girl, she will say “Oh by the way, you don’t need to pay me for this. I would feel uncomfortable taking money.” Do not insist on taking it. You’re now home free with a girl who likes you in your own home on the first date. This happens to me a few times per year. It’s an advanced game move that works. You should pay me for this advice.

        But there are a lot of naughty girls out there. You will proceed like it’s a date no matter what (unless you’re a faggot). You will hope she won’t seriously expect the money from you after she messes with you sexually. If, at the end, she still wants the $100 for washing your dishes and mopping the floor, you will officially be giving the money to her for THAT, not whatever she did with you otherwise.

        But you’ll know she’s a naughty girl. It’s up to you to have her back or not. If you’re a pump and dump kind of guy, that isn’t a relevant issue. If it hurts your feelings that she wasn’t so much of a “trophy” that’s your mental illness. When you’re rich and your employees want to fuck you, you’ll be a faggot not to partake (although the feminists will want to nail you to the wall with the new laws).

        I still know you would want to keep seeing the three young hard nines who continue to wash my dishes.

        If you call sleeping with the boss hooking, I can assure you that a hefty percentage of women have been hookers at some point in their lives.

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    • Well sure. Like, we’d all agree that unshakable confidence (to the point of near psychopathy) is game fuel. The devil’s in the details. Basically, unshakable confidence is the law you want to rule all of your impulses with. But you can’t just ram a law down the governed’s throats without taking the necessary time to persuade, politic, cajole, and horse trade — otherwise, they’ll just disregard the rule.

      So most of the effort goes toward tactics that will help you control your impulses and guide them in the right direction. Ultimately, going out is what gives those to you. I mean, opening sets gives you the confidence to open more sets, etc. etc.

      If confidence is the fuel, then escalation is the fire. And that’s it. Game is the confidence to constantly escalate. The only part of your attention honestly commanded by the target is the ability to recognize when she’s opening a window. Maybe she’s a nasty flirt, maybe she isn’t. Who cares? It’s all about the window and having the balls to jump through it. The only way you can start learning how to recognize windows is to go out and do it.

      And as long as you’re putting a bunch of pressure on yourself, it’s going to be work. Try to do the best you can and play the game, but like….ultimately, you’re just shooting the shit and talking to people.

      I’ve had a weird week, where I’m starting to view everything differently:

      —-
      Made out with a 6 at the club who broke up with her bf the day before, gave me a bunch of you’re a player shit tests, got her number, and then I texted her and she responds back ‘I’m so sorry, but I got back with my boyfriend today.’

      I mean, at first my thoughts were negative — ‘like wow, must have been terrible for her to go back to her bf that quick lol.’ But it’s also possible that I just reminded her of the reality of being used by assholes and to appreciate what she has. And I mean, she apologized for it? She felt the need to respond in that way at all? Idk, that’s kinda cool to me lol.

      Opened a set with a hard 8 in a killer blue dress and her 7 friend. I thought the set was going terrible. Esp when I said ‘you’re kinda like the man in this group, you’ve got your arm around her.’ Now, she got annoyed by that like…’i’m not a man! why are you calling me a man! I’m not a goddamned man.’ Then, she folded her arms in a real contrite way — as if just realizing her outburst —, and I laughed, and she gave me kind of a smile and nodded her head. At the time I was just like ‘well fuck it, this set is bombed…’ and I kind of just left. But like a few minutes afterwards I was like….’holy shit….I think that was a window…’ She EMOTIONALLY responded to me? Then, realizing that she was being MEAN to ME, immediately backed off? Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrr.

      Another set with a 6 who is just giving me a hard time. Very sarcastic sense of humor and mostly at my expense. So ya, I’m just in this set for like 20 mins like ‘bleh, whatever, they’re not going for it.’ Then afterwards, I kind of think back — that girl said funny things. And all her jokes were based on things I said, building off of them. She also did everything I asked her to do. I mean….

      Me: Ya, k I’ll guess your name
      Her: Okay, I’ll give you a hint…..it’s pretty common
      Me: K, Suzie….
      Her: No
      Me: Sam
      Her: No
      Me: Sojourner
      Her: No what the fuck hahaha are you even psychic?
      Me: Relax, Salamander, I’m plenty psychic.
      Her: Salamander? Do I look like an amphibian to you?
      Me: Hey! The Salamander is a noble creature.
      Her: So are swordfish, it doesn’t mean I think you look like a big-nosed fish………although (scrutinizing stare)
      Me: All right, racist. I hope no salamanders are around to hear your sermons of hate.

      In the moment I’m like ‘fuck man, fighting against me so hard….this set’s done,’ but thinking about it, like that’s just how she is….sarcastic. And she was responding to everything I said and trying to be funny. Unfortunately, that was a window that I could’ve jumped through with classic stupid shit

      Me:….ya you better fix this intolerance problem cause we can’t be together if you aren’t going to treat my pet salamander with respect

      or any of a bajillion other -escalating- things I could’ve said.

      —-

      So girls who play mindgames or sarcastic girls or hipsters, or whatever….I mean, it helps to be able to understand that that’s just who they are, and you have to try to learn to speak their language (which I’m finding to be fun lol).

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      • Not 24 hours had passed and she was already making out with you … that was fast! Poor boyfriend

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 8:58 am Cragsleeper

        FWIW I think you were keeping pace just fine with her banter. It seems like we share that tendency to view interactions overly negatively if we let ourselves, but you’re recognizing it and correcting. Thanks for sharing

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  10. I don’t know why men have a hard time embracing mental insanity.

    If women do it all the time and get away with it…why can’t we take it back?

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    • on July 26, 2013 at 2:26 pm Hugh G. Rection

      GUBMINT CAME AND TOOK MA BAYBEEEEEE!

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      • Every societal ill is the gubmints fault…plus they want your guns and American flags too.

        Women are attracted to grunting, made up stories, shiny objects, fuzzy hats, and references to dick. Anytime they do a wrong…it’s my fault because I have a penis.

        I’m supposed to live with one of these creatures and be the rational one.

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      • If you are normal…the crowd will accept you. But if you are deranged…the crowd will make you their leader.

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  11. My red pill Game breakthrough was very simple: interact with women in ways that men would find annoying or even insulting: tease them, put them into defensive crouches, don’t give them straight answers. It works like magic, both in romantic relationships and in professional ones.

    Of course, I’m not s sperg so I can do those things in a calibrated way.

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  12. Game can feel like a lot of work at first if your default mode is introvert. But once you’ve leapt the hurdle of making the approach, introversion can become a strength since we don’t need to be reminded to talk low, talk slow, and not say too fuckin’ much.

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  13. Hey Earl, you’re a guy who posts with an avatar of Saint Maximillian Kolbe. I would guess in the opinion of whoever writes this blog, he was a failure and a genetic loser beta male, right?

    What do you think that St. Kolbe would say about the misogyny on this blog (by which I see in the assuming that all women are simply dumb slaves to their bodies and the “biomechanical God” so often praised here), especially given his ardent devolution to the Virgin Mary?

    Also, do you find it spiritually beneficial to read and surely in some way inculcate the views of the hedonists, naturalists and neo-Darwinists who make up the manosphere and have their hopes set on this life alone?

    Or is it just the beard you like from St Kolbe?

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  14. “I have other things to do than talk to mindgame chicks ..and that is why I am spending another hour just to post about this in the CH blog”

    Why do you even bother to answer such questions?

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  15. Here’s how to handle mind games:

    Learn to be immune to them. Learn to not give a whit.

    I’m sure we all have known girls we didn’t care much about who got huge crushes on us. Oftentimes, it’s the somewhat more attractive ones who for whatever reason don’t turn you on (for example, because they have brown eyes, and you prefer blue, and they’d have to be north of 8 in hotness to override your blue-eye preference).

    The point is: they’re playing “mind games” just as much as the girls you want. But they go nuts because you don’t sweat it at all — because you either don’t notice, or just flat-out don’t care.

    Same thing goes for the girls you would like to get physical with. You have to learn to relate to girls you want as if they’re girls you don’t care that much about. And the only way to do that is to get used to approaching a wide selection of hot girls.

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    • Exactly, all of this fretting about mind games has me confused. I just deal with them the same way I deal with a black guy on the street asking me for a quarter so he can buy a Newport: do not engage.

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  16. I don’t care if Zombie Shane wants to figure out girls or not. I like talking to them. Then, good stuff happens, often as not.

    I’m trying to figure out this ‘game’ thing. Show up, don’t be a wus, don’t be boring, stop caring about the outcome, ask her where she went for lunch. If she’s into you the words are not going to stop flowing.

    The trick is to stop expecting every interaction to be like Fiennes and Paltrow in Shakespeare in Love. That wasn’t real, and there is no transcendence for sale today.

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  17. Translation:

    I tried game on one girl and didn’t have mind blowing sex with a perfect 10…therefore it doesn’t work.

    Game isn’t a self-help weekend seminar…it’s a mindframe of life.

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  18. I’d say that learning game is effort, because learning involves changing yourself in several ways. The process of internalization can only come from repeated, conscious practice. Most guys who need game or who come into game seem to have some serious deficiencies in attractiveness traits. There’s no shortcut to fixing them beyond fixing them.

    Plus, it seems like game is a 0-1 proposition. Like, either you’re the kind of guy who is regularly sexing new hawt girls, or you aren’t. Until you get all areas reasonably handled, you aren’t going to be that guy.

    That said, I mean….who cares if it is effort to learn? I enjoy practicing, learning, and seeing what happens because it feels efficient. I’m slowly making myself into a better person. All my actions are focused toward that one goal. It’s same reason I like going to the gym.

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  19. on July 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm ate the red pill.

    They are ALL “mindgame chicks.” I didn’t want to believe it either.

    I’ve been lurking here for a long time. This website really did change my life. Fake it till you make it guys… three years later I am now banging more women, more often, and they are more attractive than I ever though possible in the past.

    This isn’t rocket science people. It’s just confidence. There are beautiful women all around you, just introduce yourself, be charming, be a man. Regardless of what women SAY they want, what they really need is a confident man who isn’t afraid to act like one.

    Our post-feminist “progressive” society breeds pussies. It isn’t fair. You have been lied to. Niles never gets Daphney in the real world. Game is useful for every man on the planet, and our current western society DEMANDS it. Practice your confidence in everyday life until it’s so natural it becomes a part of your being. Trust me, this is no game… it’s a way of life. Stand up and act like a fucking man. I did.

    Thanks CH.

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    • I like this. Add another brother to the cause!

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    • on July 27, 2013 at 5:41 pm supersystem3

      ‘Fraser’ is my favorite television show, but it is by far the most ‘anti-game’ television show I can think of. Niles and Daphne would absolutely never happen in the real world, and more importantly a guy like Fraser would never be anywhere close to equal footing with single women his own age.

      He is a Harvard educated doctor and a local celebrity, single women his age would be falling over themselves for him, and with no effort he could be with women in their 20s. (this is briefly explored with the early twenties woman from the department store that comes onto him, yet he betas out and doesn’t go for it).

      For my own life, I appreciate what the nonsensical ‘progressive’ society has done for myself. So many men are effete Internet-raised betas with no social skills, and it has made the initiated Red Pillers stand out all the more. As they say, in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

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  20. The way I see it, game should be seen as learning a foreign language. It can be arduous and frustrating at first, but in the end, it’s worth it, and you have a ton of fun speaking the language and being privy to foreign conversations.

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    • Excellent insight and spot on. You sound like Tarzan at first, make loads of mistakes, are often embarrassed, but becoming fluent in a foreign language (or in the language of love) will pay dividends manifold over.

      I’ve mastered German and still love speaking it, especially when I look back at my feeble attempts in the beginning. My game is not as advanced as my German, but I’m now smiling when I game a girl successfully. And there are other rewards as well…

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    • fantastic analogy. stealing it.

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  21. This is some hardcore mindgaming chick for you,gentlemen:

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  22. Great article and great points.

    To defend Zombie Shane, I will say he might be saying if a woman doesn’t put out immediately (and some won’t, depending on the night, time in her cycle, etc) and that’s what you want, then move on to one that will. There is always one at the bar that is so horny she will put up far fewer mind games, at least of the cock-blocking variety, than others. However, it should never be “effort” to deal with any woman. That is the issue here.

    Making it effortless is like Tiger Woods is with golf. He just does it. He walks up and does it. It doesn’t always work out perfectly, but it’s not effort. I walk up to most holes and it is work – every time. For him, it is what he does.

    I chose the imagery of holes on purpose…pun intended. Women will play mind games, but someone with game in his core is just going to do what he does. A woman acts like a bitch at a club, or her friend cock blocks you…you just do what you do. You stay confident and charming, and stop interacting with them, when you feel like stopping. You move on to the next woman when you feel like it. It’s not “effort” even if one night you don’t get any action. It’s just what you do. It’s not a rejection, just part of what you do.

    You have a girl you text on the side who isn’t biting for some reason??? You just do what you do. you text her when you feel like it, maybe to make a snide comment, or you respond to her half the time, if and when you feel like it. Eventually you will likely get laid because you are doing things right, but if not, she’s just some woman (among many) you text occasionally to have some fun with. If you want laid immediately, you have options, so just text the ones you know that are good for an immediate lay and deal with them.

    A lot of this boils down to perspective as immoralgables mentioned above. Let’s say you got a number at a club, and made out, and she suddenly becomes regretful and won’t text back even if you do the right things. Then you just continue doing the right things. It only becomes “effort” if her and her mind games are not in the proper perspective. The beta goes crazy waiting for the next text and wondering what he did, etc. The alpha treats her no different than the other women he texts. She is just another woman, maybe with more walls than the dependable slut he can fuck anytime, but it is not “effort” to deal with her.

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  23. Closing the deal is what takes energy. It’s easy to open some girl, talk about whatever, get her to laugh, start giving IOIs. But then converting that interest into a number close, future plans, or an impromptu date is what takes effort. Its tough to open and attract with aloof casual banter, yet to express interest and eventually ask for compliance.

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  24. Men who think it’s a waste of time just take it all too seriously. They actually listen to what the dumb whore is saying, instead of realizing she’s worthless until his dick is in her. And even then, her worth is very low. He stand there, listening intently, thinking to himself “Oh my God what a dumb bitch, is she testing me? What the fuck is she going on about? ”

    Think of it like listening to a little girl drone on and on and on and on and on like anyone gives a fuck. Of course you won’t be fucking the little girl (I hope) but even that has some worth and isn’t a complete waste of time because it helps you to remember how a woman should be treated. How you should think of the empty headed moron while she blabs about some dumb shit while wearing stupid shoes no human should ever wear and pants so tight she has chronic yeast infections. Dumb bitch probably has herpes.

    -Friedrich Nietzsche
    Ecce Homo, 1888

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  25. on July 26, 2013 at 3:50 pm Libertardian

    http://f2bbs.com/bbs/show_topic/826504/1

    Business as usual, MSM silence, comments disabled, etc

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    • on July 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm Libertardian

      http://goo.gl/BMWaBk

      Men learning to play the game of false flag attacks?

      ‘The complaint — filed last month by a man posing as a radical lesbian feminist — demanded $50,000 from the restaurant chain [A&W], alleging that its trademark Papa, Mama, Grandpa and Teen burgers were “an attack on my womyn identity.”

      “The whole heteronormative, phallocentric marketing scheme of A&W is highly degrading to non-tradition families,” reads the complaint filed to the tribunal last month.

      “The level of humiliation and degradation I felt exceeded that which I felt when I was raped.”

      Calling it “outrageous” and “vexatious,” the human rights tribunal threw out the application earlier this month over concerns regarding the veracity of the complainant’s story.’

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      • on July 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm Libertardian

        http://goo.gl/lPx0PS

        ‘Life on the road can be dangerous for professional athletes. Unfortunately for Texas Rangers reliever Tanner Scheppers, he found that out the hard way after the team arrived in Cleveland on Thursday night for their weekend series against the Indians.

        Scheppers was attacked by a group of young males in downtown Cleveland after going out for a food run. The assault took place about two blocks away from the team’s hotel, and as a result Scheppers was unavailable to pitch on Friday night after suffering a laceration near his left eye and experiencing headaches.

        “One of those freak things,” Scheppers said. “I was just getting food and was blindsided. … It’s something you don’t want to be talking about. You want to be talking about baseball things.”

        [A] police report has been filed, but Scheppers was told by police that it was unlikely anybody would be apprehended. “They said it happens a lot, actually,” Scheppers added.

        Not exactly a ringing endorsement for downtown Cleveland, but I think there’s a bigger lesson here for everyone and not just professional athletes. If you’re not familiar with your surroundings, make an effort to travel in groups. I know a two block walk seems innocent enough, but trouble lurks everywhere and it doesn’t take long to strike.’

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      • Let’s wait a while on this one. It is reported an eye witness said he got into a ten minute verbal altercation with someone before they struck him.

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    • This fucking nigger was arrested in 2008 for a rape they found his DNA evidence for in 2006.

      Niggers As Usual

      I notice the woman in your article has no ring on her finger. 22 with a 5 year old son..I wonder if this nigger was welcomed into her home. Could be another case of a thrill seeking slut who gives zero shits about her son and who’s around him

      -Friedrich Nietzsche
      Human, All Too Human, 1878

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  26. Its really amazing how you can just expose a woman’s vulnerability to your manly aura by simply keeping firm eye contact and talking to her slowly. I started this practice a few months ago and I notice all women I employ this onto seems to look at me once, look away quickly and then look again and sort of just ‘fall into’ your eyes. At that moment is when I know I got her and I can employ more flirty and incorporate kino without resistance.

    This is all thanks to the Chateau’ approach to game which I believe is to internalize and become rather than spout off canned material.

    Cheers!

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  27. Curious how you’d characterize Mr Brand’s performance here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADJhErmJuoQ

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    • This is what a really good PUA looks like…like what we call “state”. I’ve hit this level a few times where you just completely dominate a room like a rockstar. It’s not something I can do consistently, but every once in a while I’ll have a night where shit aligns and I’m on fire like this and take over the bar, completely unstoppable. This is like, game distilled into its purest form.

      It’s why when women are like “oh I’d know if a PUA ran game on me, I met this creepy guy once who asked for a female opinion and I could tell right away! And any guy who dared neg or tease me, I’d kick him in the balls and call him a loser!” It’s like no, no you wouldn’t. You would be HELPLESS to resist. And the “cool” James Bond guys posted up at the bar trying to look cool would be invisible to the women in the room.

      This YouTube comment describes it perfectly lol: “He convinced all of them to have sex with him. ALL. Of. Them.”

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    • This vid is great for so many reasons. They toss a ton of shit at him, and how does he come back? Does he say ‘gay’ or just stone cold stare? Nah. He DHV’s so hard on all of them.

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  28. I said most of my opinion on this in the “dealing-with-cutesy-chicks” so all I have to add is there is nothing more attractive than a man who can handle a girl’s games and her flirting at initial contact.

    Maybe he even has to be a good mind reader, and see where the girl is going with this; tailor his mind fucking to her games. There is plenty of time to have sex, so a guy who doesn’t rush and loves playing and taking his sweet time, as if he couldn’t care less about bedding you is tantalizing. He appears more in control. So yes, him spending 20 minutes to 1 hour on this mind fucking is the right amount of time.

    “It’s pretty much all upside to watch a girl’s face brighten with newfound desire because you successfully pulled her limbic strings.”

    Ain’t that the truth! It’s all mind control.

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  29. http://nymag.com/news/features/sex/pickup-artists-roundtable-2013-7/

    Have fun enjoying the female coaches go at each others throats towards the end.

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    • lol’ed at this.

      “Fein: If you’re in a friend zone, find out what books she likes, what movies she likes, what turns her on.

      Lyons: No, that would push the friend zone further and make them more comfortable.

      Fein: No, women feel with their head. I had a guy that knew my favorite book was Gone With the Wind and he read it, and that made me fall madly in love with him.

      Lyons: What I’m saying is that only works if the woman is attracted to the guy already.

      Fein: No, no, I really wasn’t and then he read Gone With the Wind and I was like, “Oh my god!” I felt like Scarlett and he was Rhett. This was me in college.”

      Insert the male PUAs rolling their eyes. I can pretty much guarantee the PUAs went into this interview with 100% complete disregard for anything the women had to say. We all learned way back in the day that 99.99999% women are just incapable of comprehending this stuff. Any female coach is pretty much a PR stunt to try to get a more mainstream audience in. Some women are capable of understanding big chunks of it or certain concepts but it’s just a complete waste of time to bounce anything off them.

      The PUA community was a massive sausage-fest before it got more mainstream…but that’s why we were productive and got shit done. We didn’t waste time debating with silly solipsistic girls who give contradictory advice to the hundreds of thousands of experiences we were using as data.

      Also notice that the men all basically agree with eachother and are giving the same advice in general. But the women give contradictory advice from eachother and sometimes the men. Why? Because the men had to legit solve this shit and distill it down into consistent concepts that work for all men…the girls are just looking at it thru their own personal lens but people have praised them and built up their “I’m the next millionaire matchmaker!!” egos based on nothing but the “girls can be the best at anything” grrrrl power motto.

      You can tell Lyons is like “stfu, woman” in the interview lol thanks for the link it was an unintentionally funny read.

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  30. on July 26, 2013 at 7:56 pm The Lone Planet

    “Too much work, not enough sweets.” – Capt. K’nuckles

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  31. What if girls reject you before you even say a word (by giving you the stank face, turning their backs, or burying their faces in their iPhones)? Where does game come into play then?

    This is how almost 100% of my approaches are received. The only exceptions are Asian girls, but they always flake anyway. I’m not going for bombshells either. Just girls in the 3-7 range mostly (I’m a 5).

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    • Change up your approach a little? Make sure you have strong body language and smile. Now, if you do that and they give you guff, you just need to learn how to plow.

      I’d say the ability to recover is an essential skill in the game.

      Me: blah blah blah
      Them: (stank face)
      Me: Did I make you want to fart or something? (continue to plow)

      Them: (back turn — the worst; turn them back around) Hey, that was rude…be nicer. (bonus gambit, you can do this if you think you can successfully translation away from it ASAP) If you don’t want to entertain a conversation, please let me know by saying ‘well nice to meet you sir, but I do believe we are incompatible for any sort of relationship….’

      Them: (face in Iphone) Ya, go ahead and tell Martha that I was late and let Stewart know that I’m not putting the moves on his girl…yet. It’s really cool you have that phone. I have a phone too (smile)

      The headspace you want to deliver these lines from is ‘hahaha you guys think you’re going to shake me by acting like little kids throwing a tantrum. Wrong.’

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    • Scott, maybe it’s the soil, transplant to Philippines.

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  32. Couple of observations and personal experiences…1) Yes chicks play mind games and that means your game has to be sharp

    2) But yes, it gets tiring.

    I think the better way to reframe this is this way:

    1) Only game chicks that are worth gaming.

    2) Gaming doesn’t require effort, it requires understanding and skill. For example NOT responding to some girl’s stupid posts or outreach is GAME. No response takes NO effort. The logical default response would be to reply and so I think that’s where there is a misunderstanding of “game”.

    3) There is no “Silve bullet”. Part of the idea behind game is not the witty rejoinder to some girl who blew you off. It’s the mentality of being able consistently keep going DESPITE being blown off.

    All this sounds easier said than done and it takes effort and trial and error—just like learning any language before becoming fluent.

    I speak several languages fluently but I still make mistakes. It doesn’t mean I’m not understood, it just means that I need to learn more about that tense, or that verb or whatever.

    Yes, sometimes when speaking a language even English, I make a mistake but if I say it correctly or the context is correct the person I’m speaking to understands.

    Elsewhere I have written about my own experiences recently.

    I won’t repeat but is it worth the effort? That isn’t the point, the point is am I able to understand the situation and respond the way a man should respond?

    If i were to sum up game in one word, it’s Abundance…that’s the mindset of any set, of any approach, of any LTR.

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    • I like the parallel of game to speaking a language! And by the way, I enjoy reading your posts walawala.

      I know abundance is the cornerstone for game, but if I’m to sum game in one word it would be State! it could be the flip side of the same coin, but to me state dictates everything.

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      • Yes, State. I’m now viewing my situation through the emotionally sanitized prism of Game and it’s amazing.

        Now there’s no “Wow, she contacted me because she’s thinking of me…”

        I now see her actions for what they are: cheap attempts at gaining attention…ANY attention.

        Also, the whole “I fell for the wrong guy” meme she’s broadcasting also suggests—my game was good.

        This is the “my ex is an asshole” lament she’ll lay on beta providers to come.

        I see relationships in a totally different light as I punch through my own coming to terms with game.

        The OP is still in the mindset that there are girls who don’t play mind games and those who do. THEY ALL PLAY MIND GAMES…

        From a personal standpoint, the key issue for me now is not to “waste” time on an ex who’s whinging or see her whinging as anything unique.

        This is the “hamster” in motion.

        Last night I used “gay” on a girl I was gaming. She was younger and came out to a party I was at. I did push-pull then suggested drinks.

        She was busy….”Maybe later”.

        Me: gay

        Another girl playing mind games: comes out, flirts with me, I go direct, she pulls back. “Gay”.

        Then I focus on someone else while that hamster runs itself out wondering “What’s he mean by gay?”

        Etc

        Etc

        Etc.

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      • I’d say that state is like an engine’s afterburner. Being -in- state does ramp up all positive attributes, but relying on it is a mistake.

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      • It absolutely is a mistake. Some of the best commentary on state and game that I’ve seen:

        http://krauserpua.com/2013/05/13/stateless-game/

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  33. Le Chateau Heartiste,

    I’ve been a silent follower of both the MGTOW- and PUA-spheres, and I have seen the last 5 years of the red pill spreading like wildfire. The truth has become quite popular. Unfortunately for me learning the truths of game, having been pre-exposed to the theory that free will is an illusion and that much behavior is either random or pre-determined based on experience; that attraction and mating behaviors seem to follow similar patterns found in nature, merely confirmed the mechanized view I have acquired for biological life.

    I see the fundamental truths which have been masked by pretty “little” lies are tearing at the very fabric of the fantasy imprinted onto our subconscious minds via the television, movies, and popular culture. Much of the poor behavior is due to the artificial conditions of our age; unfortunately the behavior is a real reaction to former and current conditions and has real consequences in our lives. If this, and the stimulus causing it, continues unabated for too much longer I can’t say we’ll have a literate and capably independent population to pull the west out of this hole. The west could very well devolve into the third-world.

    What’s happened is several generations of decreasingly mature people have been unwitting victims, all throughout their lives, of programs which guide their lifestyle choices and habits; programs guiding those habits in such ways as to create a more dependent and docile populace for the system to parasite. The school, psychological, and prison systems for which most of you were put through were designed to destroy individual thought and creativity, and make you mentally and emotionally servile to group socialization and opinion. We have seen the consequenses of social rejection and bullying first and/or third hand. I don’t advocate crazy shit like rainbow hair and mamsie-pamsie fagginess; however, strict adherence to “conform or perish” really has a socially detrimental long-term effect.

    This I believe is the main source of the crises of masculinity I see across the landscape. We have been following outrageous social patterns unbeknownst to us. Both men and women have been unwittingly “infected” with incompatible personality and social imprints, obtained over a lifetime of exposure to popular media and social conditions. Few have any idea the magnitude of the power there is in advertising and media. The psychological levers and interfaces for which this mass-programming is meant to interact are natural and serve purposes for group cohesion, survival, and reproduction, and these controls are cunningly manipulated by the cybernetic technocrats.

    Though this has been my thought process on the matter for some time, this documentary was recently released and piqued my interest. It explains the history and current state of public manipulation. It is called State of Mind. It pretty much hits 85% of my nails on their heads and frankly I am shocked. It’s almost as if my mind was read on this subject and made into a film!

    Link:

    I bring it up because I have, for a while, had an interesting opinion, in that Game techniques may very well be proper subsets of persuasive and public relations techniques. I think the very fact that Game exists and works is strong evidence that other forms of psychological persuation, conditioning, and control are very much real and must be constantly and consciously guarded against.

    What I’d like to see, dear Heartiste, is your comprehensive overview on the relationships Social Darwinism has with game, and the rise of game, MGTOW, and the alternative truth media in opposition to it. I think you would have a fascinating and laser-precision ‘big picture’ as to what is going on, the why, and the how.

    Our minds are our most basic asset. We are no more useful nor creative than our minds allow us to be. To control a man’s body, one must control his thoughts and beliefs. Methods of control and conditioning used on the populace by the State resemble the same methods used in the latter part of slavery to keep slaves from rebelling; similar to methods used in Rome to keep Gladiator slaves, twice the size of their Roman lords, from executing them or fleeing.

    When you are stripped of every asset and stand penniless, your mind is the one asset which will get you back everything and more. Use it properly, and protect it jealously!

    I hope this comment finds you and that, if you’re unacquainted with the subject of mass social control, you check the documentary out.

    Sincerely,
    The Midnight Watchman

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  34. I can’t believe it took me so long to find/stumble upon this. (particularly relevant to men 35-40+)

    http://www.mgtow.com/

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  35. On a related note, CH, how would you go about picking up women if you were one yourself?
    During highschool I’ve managed some SNL’s with drunken chicks that I met for the first time at parties – “curious”, if you will – but never been able to make them come back for seconds. Recently I messaged one of them on fb for a stupid reason, she remembers me but is super hostile towards me. That seems to be a running gag amongst most chicks that I got physically close with, even if it was them who showed interest first, even if it was just an innocent kiss. I did them no harm I promise.
    Is anyone able to wrap their head around that? I’m dumbfounded.
    I realized that when I’m imitating a behaviour of alpha male, I can easily make a girl seek my attention and follow me around. Sadly, for me it only works with obnoxious teenagers (or fatties) with hidden self esteem issues, hating on men* etc. I am tired of their shit and dramas before I make them comfortable enough to get intimate with me. Then I cut off the contact in order to preserve my mental sanity and end up with them being openly catty to me, facebook shaming and all.
    I wanted to catch a babe for fwb, only a sane one, please. Yet these ones don’t seem much into girls. Most of the time I can get a kiss or some leg/shoulder stroking just fine and without much effort but then I’m stuck.
    Do I play bestfrieeends with them or do I follow PUA advice? Neither worked for me so far. What’s your take on that?

    *they hate men from being stupid (or fat) and thus pumped and dumped too much, but love my company when I’m cocky, assertive and demanding like these oh-so-evil males. Go figure…. I can’t. I mean, they even laugh at my fucking jokes.

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    • on July 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm Hugh G. Rection

      Here’s a little secret: Hot girls aren’t lesbians. So you’re stuck with the ugly, butch, fatties etc.. Good luck to you. Here’s your choices:
      1. find yourself a man
      2. Go where the actual lesbos are and hope you find a hot one

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  36. Getting girls to have sex with you is not the problem. Not really. Not after you hit 25 and have a decent grasp on how to interact with humans. The problem is keeping them entertained in a LTR.

    I seriously don’t want to pass shittests 24/7. I don’t want to be on constant guard. I want to be able to show weakness. I want to snuggle and say ridiculous sweet things. Not because it works (it doesn’t), but because I feel the desire to do so. Sometimes I want a woman to hold me after a particularly hard day.

    Call me a beta chump. But some of us are genuinely softies. And this kind of shit is hard work for us.

    And hey, it’s not your fault that women are the way they are. Just don’t tell us that it isn’t hard.

    It is. And it sucks.

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    • Fair is fair. If you act this way, she gets to pass gas, burp, pick her nose and eat like a hog in front of you.

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      • As if any of those were genuine desires that are hard to suppress.

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      • Yeah she’s a little off but still it seems you want to act a beta and have your pussy, too.

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      • Pretty much.

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      • LOL.

        Poor women always finding retarded reasons to paint themselves as oppressed. No man picks his nose in front of women. Men fart or burp in front of women about 0.0000000000000001% of their lives. You’re dumb 100% of your feline-boyfriend’s life, though.

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    • ‘Getting girls to have sex with you is not the problem’

      Of course not! It’s getting girls who are as good-looking or better-looking than you to have sex with you that is the problem.

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      • Nah, not really. It’s keeping up with their shit and your facade up for longer than three months.

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      • K so you’ve developed the skill set of regularly banging girls who are hotter than you, but….you’re getting shit-tested 24/7 and “constantly” on guard after you fuck them? I will set aside all skepticism and ask….

        Why are you using a facade, at all? If you’re that tight…then you can just express what you want and be unshakable in who you are — even if that involves being sweet and nice.

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      • Where did I say that I fuck around? I am able to attract girls who look better than me, yes. Which is not that hard, really. I’m not exactly what you’d call a model.

        And I am able to keep them attracted for a while.

        Then I start to slip. I lose the facade. Not fully, mind you, but it is enough for the girls to eventually give me more and more shit until it becomes seriously annoying.

        Why do I lose the facade? Because I am, essentially, a beta. I like being sweet and nice. I actually like to give in. However, that kind of behaviour is an invitation for girls to give me shit. That’s what I’m lamenting here.

        Oh and I am fully aware that I’m not going to change any of that. That shit is in our nature.

        Just don’t tell me that it doesn’t suck.

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      • on July 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Thing is, it isn’t supposed to be a facade.

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    • I seriously don’t want to pass shittests 24/7. I don’t want to be on constant guard. I want to be able to show weakness. I want to snuggle and say ridiculous sweet things. Not because it works (it doesn’t), but because I feel the desire to do so. Sometimes I want a woman to hold me after a particularly hard day.

      Destroy this childish, faggoty desire. It is 80% learned, inculcated by unisex ideologues who poisoned your mother’s milk.

      You don’t have to “pass shit tests 24/7.” They become less frequent and less shitastic the more easily you pass them. Besides, you’re going about it the wrong way. Passing the test is fun. Like any challenge, it is good to meet it and conquer it. They only make you whine like a bitch because you expect to be pampered like a bitch.

      Or find a same-sex-attracted woman who is comfortable with your lesbian side. Then you can indulge your deviancies until they inevitably destroy you. And when they destroy you it won’t be in an obvious way that will underscore your culpability and your error. It will be more like, I dunno, one day I woke up and realized I just hate that fucking bitch even more than she hates me….

      There is no substitute for wearing the pants on in the family. It is impossible to maintain a functioning dynamic in the absence of manhood. And if you think I’m exaggerating, look around you. Our bipolar culture is the result of vilifying manliness. And you are Chief Joseph:

      “Hear me! I am tired. My heart is sick and sad. From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.”

      So you snuggle up against the ball-shrivelry, too exhausted to go once more unto the breach.

      Matt

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 10:40 am Real Man/father

        check out the massive manjaw on tracy moore ch

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 10:41 am Real Man/father

        Correct. Women and the Serpent won, quite obviously. Count me out too.

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      • Quite right. I like the Chief Joseph analogy.

        Just a pointer, by the way: calling other men faggots is not a sign of dominance. It’s a sign of insecurity. We’re not on the schoolyard anymore. Act accordingly.

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      • Oh, faggot please.

        I didn’t call you a faggot, I said you were unabashedly promoting a literally faggy desire: you are a man indulging in feminine emotional displays.

        Another indication of which is your thin skin. I speak precisely and descriptively, I don’t throw words around and expect them to have talismanic power. I am neither insecure nor trying to “domina[te]” you. I am trying to get a point across.

        You’re the one who takes this for a “schoolyard” rather than a colloquy among men. The thought hadn’t occurred to me — especially since rhetorical domination is close-run thing, rarely with obvious enough winners to make a contest worth participating in.

        Some of us just talk without scrupulous circumspection or pre-game strategery. That means you will find very little to read into my words beyond the clear (blunt) presentation of them. That is how men talk.

        Matt

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      • If you say so. I probably didn’t get the memo, then. Faggot.

        Not all men are the lovechild of Steven Seagal and Marlon Brando. And not all men want to be. So drop your tough guy act for a minute and try to consider this.

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  37. CH,

    You completely mis-read/interpreted Zombie Shane’s post and twisted it into some ridiculous rant. There are some girls who don’t play games as much as others, and this is all Zombie was saying. In the quote you provided nowhere does he say pursuing women in general is too much trouble. He talks about girls who are more difficult than others. How did you miss that?

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    • The law of diminishing returns has no application here. This site is all about proselytizing a very specific modus operandi in modern men who by definition are lacking a philosophical basis for asserting themselves against feminist-leftist, social and cultural tyranny.

      CH is not going to cloud his message with advanced interpretations, mature criticisms, and long-term consequences. He is too busy making straight the paths for the great unwashed, too focused on bringing newbies from 0 to 1 to discuss the finer distinctions necessary to get from 9.54 to 9.57.

      That’s not to say that side-discussions do not occur, but CH is not going to deliberately undermine the basic creed he has worked so hard to establish, not with easily misinterpreted abstractions which require experience to understand fully. You don’t teach an infant who just took his first step the advanced techniques of pole-vaulting.

      All that said, I wish there were a pole vault forum, where we didn’t have to rehearse basic running lessons over and over and over. But this is the closest thing we got.

      Matt

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      • In other words, before we can discuss the law of diminishing returns, we have to make sure there are any returns to speak of. ROI presumes the asset status of an actual investment instrument, not stagnancy or liability.

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      • on July 28, 2013 at 12:44 pm Hugh G. Rection

        And to further your narrative, women are, as we know, a depreciating asset.

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      • “This site is all about proselytizing a very specific modus operandi in modern men who by definition are lacking a philosophical basis for asserting themselves against feminist-leftist, social and cultural tyranny.”

        If this is what he wanted to write, then just write that. It would make a heck of a lot more sense than what he did, which, as I said before, is taking a simple remark about some women playing fewer games than others and twisting it into some mountain of feminine power that must be tackled.

        All in all, CH reaffirmed the whole “full-blown nihilist” remark by talking about blowing prospects. Really? Unless you’re living in a town of 1,000, there’s always a girl around the corner who will certainly be down to downplaying the “mind games.”

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      • If this is what he wanted to write, then just write that.

        He didn’t write it because it would have detracted from his broader mission, no matter how satisfying such a discussion would have been for you. No matter even how much more truthful it would have been. He is a teacher and promoter, not a theologian.

        Yes, of course CH’s exhibitionist nihilism is a problem. But he is a means to an end, an end he is either not conscious of or does not mind contributing to. He doesn’t have to be aware of his specific role relative to the big picture so long as he does his job well. Every link in the chain doesn’t have to be in perfect form; it just has to be strong enough to hold.

        See? Guys like you and Zombie Shane were smart enough to figure it out anyway. No harm done. Meantime, a thousand slipping beta males were just reaffirmed in their purpose.

        Matt

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      • I understand this, Matt, but I don’t know how one can justify the reckless nature of it.

        “He doesn’t have to be aware of his specific role relative to the big picture so long as he does his job well.”

        I don’t want to go philosophy debate, but what you wrote here is preposterous to any logical mind. A guy like CH, who is smart enough to break some stuff down, is doing himself and everyone else an injustice by being a slave master on a southern plantation or a Nazi general. Obviously I’m being extreme, but you get my point.

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      • He is “smart enough,” but has no understanding how to take this to the next level. That’s okay. Enjoy the unique contribution he does bring to this hydra-headed harpy fiasco.

        The “reckless nature” is easily justified: there is nothing else to be wrecked in this field of ruins. Clearing and building upon the disaster is for other men. Creative destruction requires both destroyers and creators. Few can be both, not at the high level of specialty required to unfuck this comprehensive social fuck-all.

        Matt

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      • Your posts last two posts are technologically not replyable so I’ve put them up here.

        Anyway…

        You’re a smart guy, Matt. I’m impressed. And you’re right, he probably doesn’t know how to take it to the next level or he would, just as I am not capable – at least in this moment – of doing so.

        I do, however, disagree, on a certain level, that “there is nothing else to be wrecked,” because there are sentient beings brought into this “comprehensive social fuck-all” everyday. Stopping procreation would seemingly end this, though there are arguments that evolution would just fuck a future generation anyhow.

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      • That’s more like it Mattie. Loudmouthed bullying is your forte.

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    • The girls who are “more difficult,” (for whatever reason) tend to be the higher quality girls. It’s a correlation, sure, but it doesn’t change the reality. You could just limit yourself to the higher quality girls who aren’t difficult, or you could expand your skillset and be well-prepared for all comers.

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      • Expanding a skill set is one way to look at it. The other way is that you’re an idiot for even wasting time learning methods of playing the game.

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      • ^ MENTAL MASTURBATOR WHO DOESN’T GO OUT

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      • That’s very alpha of you, immoralgables.

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      • It’s pointless to blame the Tourette’s patient for his outbursts.

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      • The red pill translation of what you typed = acquiring enough game to land hotter girls is annoying and frustrating. Ya, sure. But that’s what it takes. If you want a decent shot at the female hawt population, you need to know the ‘methods.’ If you’d just go out, you’d see that a disproportionate share of hawt girls play ‘mindgames’ versus their plainer-looking sisters. And by mindgames, I mean “behave in ways that will blow out loser beta males.” Nothing they do seems conscious. That said, what they do is still effective for the objective.

        The ultimate self-actualized man can sneer at the methods of playing the game— but only because he has internalized those methods. He’s the dog who taught itself to respond adequately to the bell of hawtness. Grats.

        So ya, on the surface that comment just seems to suggest ‘maaaan why play mindgames when another equally attractive (or even just slightly less attractive) girl is close at hand who will beeee niiiiiiceeeeeer?’ But the reality is usually —- hard 8 has some serious mindgames, hard 7 has some intermediate ones, and the 6 has minor ones. Hard to ascribe relative worth in that scenario.

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      • I think we’re talking about different types of mindgames or something. I’ve had 10s play very few mindgames but then there were others who were arguably less attractive and just acted stupid. When I say a mindgame I mean a girl who is, at least a little, definitely off her rocker.

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      • on July 29, 2013 at 10:44 am Real Man/father

        If you are younger than 28 and on this site doing what you do, you are such a loser tool bro. When I was in my 20s, I slayed solid 8.5s constantly, until I took myself off of the market like a real man and got married so I could turn my parents into young grandparents. And this was before blogs and “game” blogs, etc. Didn’t need the internet. I’m here now only because the game has changed when one is 38 and divorced with kids. If you are 22 or 24 like you seem to be, you should not need this blog to score 8s at will.

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      • Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Ya, it’s just soooooo easy to bang 8’s, which is why 99.9% of guys aren’t doing that. Lol gtfo of here. They don’t become 8’s just because you label them 8’s.

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      • One of the reasons I don’t want kids is so I don’t delude myself into thinking I’ve accomplished something, that I’ve somehow now become a “real man” now that I’ve knocked up a girl just like every other guy out there. I hate ego as it is, and I don’t want mine flowing with chemicals tricking me into thinking I’ve done something great when all I’ve done is get married, see that deteriorate, then have a child that will eventually deteriorate and die off as well.

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  38. To me, it looks like both CH and Shane have a point. A man with options doesn’t have to spin his wheels too long in one place. The girl is worth the effort, that’s one thing, but everyone reaches a point of diminishing returns. When that point hits, move on. I don’t think this automatically means you’re a beta.

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  39. A good post in response to Zombie would have been asking questions like, “When does this whole game thing become an addiction that leads to more negative than positive?” As he notes, it’s definitely an extreme to just go after every pussy for the sake of the victory, and yet I myself have found that it’s very easy to become obsessed with trying to get girls just for the sake of getting as many as possible. That’s the post you wanted to write in response to Zombie.

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  40. A lot of guys fall into the trap of ego gratification when getting into gaming.

    “This girl is all head games but I’m gonna master her because my game is awesome.”

    This is needy and will bring you unpleasantness.

    Several years ago I had one of these. I viewed her craziness and constant shit tests as a challenge to conquer. Always fighting for control, always with the games.

    I did conquer her. But she was batshit crazy. After a few spectacular blowouts and makeups I finally called it off for good.

    I learned that past a certain point a girl acting up is a strong indicator that she is not good relationship material. After that I checked my ego and nexted girls at the first sign of excessive drama. Much happier.

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    • Batshit crazy will always “win” out in the end because bashit crazy knows no limits and can overwhelm calm rationality and logic with relative ease.
      The only way to deal with batshit crazy is to either handle it in small controllable doses (not a LTR) and to be prepared to walk away from it.

      On a different note; I have been reading a great book.

      The Happiness Hypothesis: Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom
      By Jonathan Haidt

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  41. Hello heartiste. I would like to learn game. What books or other material should i read? I have been in a relationship for five years and got dumped 2 months ago and would like to make love to lots of women. Can you give a tip of the best book or the 2 best books. Kind regards from Marcus.

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  42. If you don’t like to play games…then you are a boring individual.

    Why play Clue or Monopoly? It’s not like you actually catch a killer…or become rich owning motels.

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    • Don’t really comment on here often, but I got to give some respect when it’s due. You’re one of my favorite commenters and the way you present yourself speaks to me. Do you have a blog? If not, have you thought of starting one?

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  43. Field report: last night, a 7-ish girl that I see around town every other week or so (great body, but a 6 face) asked me if I would like to be her boyfriend.

    Hah. Getting better at this.

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  44. Game is the fine art of not giving caring what a woman thinks and letting her know it.

    Also, rape!

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  45. Anyone have links to photos of Mark and/or Kate?

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  46. I lolled when I saw this in a Java programming book…

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  47. The most effortless type of game relies on preselection which is heavily reliant on being (or at least being perceived as being) “higher value” or of enough value to the female and having the “Game-Fu” knowledge and experience to deal with the female’s inevitable “Chick Jitsu”.
    Then all you really need to do is not fuck it up.

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  48. Girls love drama. The rush of emotions keeps them going. Last night, i went to party. My “ex” gf was there. I ignored her, gamed other girls.

    I went to washroom, she conveniently walked out at the same time to “talk”.

    We ended up leaving and you can fill in the blanks.

    But what was interesting and relevant to this post was that even though she was the one initiated the break up.

    She kept asking in wonderment “Why didn’t you chase me?”

    Me: I don’t chase…you should know that by now.

    I think girls 7+ have a sense of entitlement that make it a challenge to find the right balance of asshole and vulnerability game.

    There are some great blogs on this concept. Being a dick all them time is as bad as being beta. Women want a strong guy who knows how to game them.

    The other interesting laugh I had was when I told her “you think you’re such a mystery….you just a girl.” She looked surprised at first, then laughed the way someone who’s caught out at something laughs.

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    • Nice work.

      “The other interesting laugh I had was when I told her “you think you’re such a mystery….you just a girl.””

      Thanks to CH and other game/PUA material for helping us remove the feminine mystique.

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    • Good job, man.

      ‘I think girls 7+ have a sense of entitlement that make it a challenge to find the right balance of asshole and vulnerability game.’

      Ya, it seems like hotter girls are better at sniffing out ‘pretenders.’ Like, if you’re too asshole-ish, they know that you are an impostor.

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    • on July 28, 2013 at 7:18 pm PimpinBlueStar

      Agreed. If I’m being really technical IME it’s in that 6.5-7.5 range where I get the worst attitudes and tests towards me. Even over a longer period when I handle myself well.

      The only hard 10 I’ve ever been with/talked to more than 2 weeks liked the fact that I knew when to hit her with some dick attitude and back off when it wasn’t necessary. It always felt like I was mirroring her in some way. When she tested me like she was serious, I would back off, evade it or A&A.

      I kept her because the attitude that permeated was “Whatever I don’t care I don’t need you either way.” I lost her because I began to “like” her, now all of a sudden I wasn’t so fun lol.

      But ahh, the memories and the great times going forward.

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  49. on July 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm Dan Fletcher

    Blows my mind how many guys do the “beer shield” thing, even guys who are fairly alpha. Been to places where I was literally the only guy who was not doing it. I would have thought more guys would have heard about avoiding that by now.

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    • on July 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm PimpinBlueStar

      Good observation. To me, nothing says “I’m timid and/or reserved and wonder what people think of me in this room” than the beer-to-chest maneuver.

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  50. “So your choices are either get with the cosmic program and learn how to make reality work for you instead of against you, or drop out and become a sourpuss.”

    OR: Skip the games and pay for sex directly. The best option by far.

    [CH: Wherefore love?]

    Going into porn is also an option but that’s an extension of paying for sex directly.

    [The best sex is with a woman who wants it as much as you do.]

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    • Who’s to say that the payee doesn’t get off on her own whore fantasy? It’s a myth to think that getting paid for it makes it less enjoyable to the hot young woman. I’ve known hard nines who couldn’t get off any other way.

      Technically CH is on record as saying that love sex with a high 7 is better than paid sex with a 10. We’ll assume paid sex = clean sugar baby sex and not something foul like with a possibly diseased professional.

      This means he implied that a low 7 who loves you still won’t give you better sex than a clean paid mistress. I would concur.

      Luckily you can do both.

      This is Common Sense 101 as well as The Way of the World 101.

      If you are a middle aged man who is a 5, the women who love you are probably going to be 7.5 at max. So you’ll be ready to be with one or two of those plus the paid mistress 9.

      You’ll enjoy the company of the women who love you but you’ll enjoy the sex better with the mistresses. I guarantee this from daily first hand knowledge.

      Plus you need a lot of game to get a virginal 9 to become a paid mistress. You’ll need the game it took to get the women 2.5 points higher than you on the looks scale, plus the game it takes to get those who are otherwise physically unattracted to you (more than 2.5 higher) to agree to be your maid or masseuse or whatever.

      Also, sugar babies can and do have real orgasms during sex. The whole thing can be a big fantasy for them. Not always, but since alphas can engage in this practice in addition to their usual seduction strategies, the myth of the sugar baby hard 9 who doesn’t really enjoy her relationship with a middle aged male 5 should be held only by feminists and envious poor young PUAs.

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  51. “The very crux of your complaint is wrong. There really isn’t any effort expended in picking up chicks once you get the hang of it. It’s pretty much all upside to watch a girl’s face brighten with newfound desire because you successfully pulled her limbic strings.”

    Actually it’s boring as hell even when you’re successful at it. Some men really do have better things to do than give a shit about what wimmin think of them. Some of us really don’t need female validation to get by. We just need those legs to part so that we can get in and get out.

    [CH: Wherefore love?]

    “Nicator

    http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=27773719

    this just needs to be…argh…”

    Someone message her something interesting and post the replies here.

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  52. You only “expend calories” on things you are deeply invested in. Picking up women is not a deep investment (or at least shouldn’t necessarily feel like it).

    I’d prefer to be more like a “magnet” – attracting women with sheer awesomeness and mystery, letting them come to me. Few women are worth outright chasing, and even those shouldn’t necessarily be “chased” I think.

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  53. Beta of the month? http://www.bluethenation.com/2013/06/15/five-reasons-to-be-a-feminist-man/

    I wonder what Sam Houston, who ran off from home at the ripe age of 12 with nothing but his gun and a copy of the Iliad (GBFM) to live with the Cherokee because life was getting to civilized for him, would’ve thought about this guy.

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  54. ALMOST MID-30-DAY CHALLENGE UPDATE (it’s DAY 12):

    I still suck and haven’t been laid.

    Now that that’s out of the way, I’m really just trying to find my style of game. I’m like throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. Getting numbers on the dancefloor is pretty easy… getting numbers is getting pretty easy in general. I’m still having a bit of trouble calibrating when/how to ask for the number, but that’ll fix itself eventually i’m sure.

    I tend to do better when I vibe with everyone and not strictly “hunting for pussy”. Just being cool, social, and funny. Less pressure. Approach anxiety is a bitch, but I’ve started approaching hotter sets. They’re definitely surprisingly easy to talk to. After being rejected by so many on the dancefloor, I expected worse. They’re really fun and easy going. You just can’t attack them with your crotch/ass most of the time lol. You just go up to them cool and fuck around.

    Except now that I’ve started approaching them, I realize I come on too strong, as if I’m trying to hard to energize them. Just realize and be interesting. And build comfort to solidify the chance of us meeting up.

    This leads into my next few issues.

    – My texting is just really uncalibrated. I dont’ want to be boring on the first text so I just throw “i’m adventurous, fun, laid back, are u fun too lolol ur crazy” kind of sounds kah-razy. I’m gonna start drawing back from that but i feel like I don’t know how to be normal without being boring over text. I don’t want to ask “how was ur night” cuz that’s boring, but at the same time, my texts come off too strong. And so, I’m gonna keep practicing, whatever.

    a) I’ve been texting this girl for 3 weeks and we still haven’t gone out. Why she keeps replying, no fucking clue. Why we haven’t gone out. SHE’S BUSY WITH WORK. Seriously? I’m not gonna contact her for a week or two. See what happens. Like, I don’t see why we wouldn’t have gone out on a day 2 already… (yes this is the same hot chick from the club I wrote in my first FR).

    – I still give up too easily. I know I could easily plow through minor negative feedback, but I still quit, if only to get out of the awkward situation. Whatever, I’m gonna keep approaching and pushing the interaction. This should sort it self out once I solidify my style of game (which is a mixture of ridiculous questions, some kino/compliance test stuff, and social circle stuff if she’s with friends… and if I remember to do it lol… it’s amazing what you forget when ur actually in an interaction.

    – Body language… wow crazy how body language changes shit. One of my friends pointed out how lost I look when I scan a room. And doing the whole uncalibrated “i will dance to this music even though I don’t feel like dancing… cuz motion creates emotion… NOT). I still hate the music lol but i want to BELONG and let the environment change me… except my internals don’t give a shit and want to chill.. so I just stand there in the middle of the dance floor sometimes and just “put myself on display” and not pressure myself now (granted I only just started doing this; putting myself on display, that is).

    – So why I haven’t gotten makeouts is I haven’t tried. I mean, I say I want makeouts but… I dunno, I want one night stands… but then I don’t even try for those… so wtf is my problem? Do I want sex or don’t I? I definitely do, but I don’t know, i feel like a one-night-stand is hard to get… so I don’t try…

    My game kinda looks like this:
    /////////////

    Sigh… progress is slow… but I can see glimpses every night of what I could be… like, it’s like can see the future in what I do in the present… I’m getting better all the time I feel. I pretty much get rejected every night. So, yeah, in a year, it’ll be a joke…

    End of update. Not a whole lot of change from my last one, but it helps to reflect on the night…

    @YaReally @Scary

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    • As a question — do you game off the dancefloor?

      It’s great that you’re just doing whatever works and finding your own unique style. If you still are opening/engaging sets only on the dancefloor, maybe expand that to the rest of the club. When you do it in the opposite order —- approach/chat-up/attract/pull to dancefloor — it’s way effective.

      ‘“i’m adventurous, fun, laid back, are u fun too lolol ur crazy”’

      Observations on Value

      I’m far from a god of text game, but the key word in the phrase ‘demonstrate higher value,’ is demonstrate. Imagine if you just walk up to a girl and say “wow, I’m real adventurous, fun, and laid back!” versus you walk up to a girl, put your arm around her and say “act natural, you’re my wife — they’re looking for me.”

      Which guy is “adventurous, fun, and laid back?”

      In my limited experience, the shit that builds value goes in this order — from best to worst:
      Awesome actions done.
      Awesome traits passively displayed.
      Awesome actions indirectly mentioned.
      Awesome traits asserted.

      The set of Awesome just includes the main attractiveness switches: ability to emote, leader of men, protector of friends/family, pre-selection.

      Let’s take ability to emote.
      So, the best demonstration of this trait is to showcase an actual emotion (passion’s the best). For example, talking about a topic that’s near and dear to your heart. Let’s just assume that photography makes you passionate. So talk about photography and let that emotion suffuse the exchange (maybe get real into it and talk about the angles of someone’s face, lighting, etc.). Further note — always talk in positive terms. Make it easy to see how you and your passion will contribute to the world. This is why social etiquette 101 = never politics, never religion. Most people discuss and think about those topics as “me/us v. them.” When that happens, you will only share negative emotions.

      The next best would be a passive display of this ability. For ability to emote and photography, it’d be shit like wearing a camera around your neck and looking like a dude who is into photography. This fact seems to be why style can make a difference in someone’s life. It’s an expression of who you are and your passions — taking pains to drape yourself in the image of an identity signifies focused give-a-fuck.

      The third best would be to tell a story of some kind that allows an inference of your passion. “Ya, I was taking photos of these models all day. My camera’s broken, I’ve been looking for hours to find a replacement.” Notice the difference between ‘actions done’ and ‘actions indirectly mentioned.’ This allows you to infer that this individual is probably passionate about photography, but it has way less impact than the real deal above.

      The worst is to just say “I’m passionate about photography.” It’s the worst by a large margin.

      So, let’s apply this to that text.
      Instead of just asserting that you’re “adventurous, fun, and laid back,” just send a text that demonstrates those qualities. You could actually attempt an awesome action by playing a game with her via text.

      “Thinking of a number between 1 and 10, if you guess right we’re soulmates and you owe me drinks.”

      Which, if she bites, would be sooooo money (or not, I don’t know I haven’t tried it yet…will try it on the next number I get!) — all she has to do is type one number lol. If she won’t even type one number….welll…..lol. You could also do some callback humor. Whatever. It’s all good.

      You can’t really passively display much in text.

      You can indirectly reference your value by just telling a story of one kind or another. For example “I just saw your evil twin at x,y,z place!” That’s just you subcommunicating that you go out, you meet other chicks, that this girl is no big deal, and that you’re a fun guy giving value. In text, you can bolster these by adding a slight bit of humor — ‘I just saw your evil twin at x, y, z place…..unless you’re the evil one.”

      And last, lol…the worst is just saying you’re adventurous and fun.

      Try and apply that to all of your interactions. I think I’m just gonna focus on writing about value, because that’s like 90% of what I do in the field any way.

      ‘So why I haven’t gotten makeouts is I haven’t tried. I mean, I say I want makeouts but… I dunno, I want one night stands’

      If any chick lets you dance (honestly dance) with her on the dancefloor without any prior introduction, barring some sort of weird aspy/attention-whore, you should be ready to makeout after five minutes of steady dancing. Keep that in mind. Just go for it whenever you guys are looking at one another and her arms are around your neck.

      Then take her away from the dancefloor, get to know her, and get good at defusing the ASD bomb.

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      • Thanks Scray this is all really fucking money lol Going out tonight so definitely going to practice this.

        “As a question — do you game off the dancefloor?”

        Haha yeah, since dancefloor’s the easiest, I don’t do it that much, it’s mostly cold approach. I actually haven’t been to the club in awhile (we go to the same club every weekend since that’s the only one we can get into free… I’m broke lol… but yeah, I’m eventually gonna start making some connections with some guys in soundbar cuz there are promoters who go there who work at other clubs… definitely gonna go back… for now, hitting up this street where there are just bars going all the way down).

        That’s a great framework (approach/chat-up/attract/pull to dancefloor) going to apply it asap.

        “I’m far from a god of text game, but the key word in the phrase ‘demonstrate higher value,’ is demonstrate. Imagine if you just walk up to a girl and say “wow, I’m real adventurous, fun, and laid back!” versus you walk up to a girl, put your arm around her and say “act natural, you’re my wife — they’re looking for me.””

        This blew my mind… like… wow, duh… why was I telling them? lol

        “The next best would be a passive display of this ability. For ability to emote and photography, it’d be shit like wearing a camera around your neck and looking like a dude who is into photography. This fact seems to be why style can make a difference in someone’s life. It’s an expression of who you are and your passions — taking pains to drape yourself in the image of an identity signifies focused give-a-fuck. ”

        I’ve been dressing like absolute shit up until yesterday haha… bought new pants and shoes… but anyway, I like videogames… buy a gamey shirt? I’ll keep this in mind

        “The third best would be to tell a story of some kind that allows an inference of your passion. “Ya, I was taking photos of these models all day. My camera’s broken, I’ve been looking for hours to find a replacement.” Notice the difference between ‘actions done’ and ‘actions indirectly mentioned.’ This allows you to infer that this individual is probably passionate about photography, but it has way less impact than the real deal above.”

        I can talk about my shitty family life lol but seriously I like existentialism and talking about freedom of choice… I have a lot of stories in my personal life around that.

        “Thinking of a number between 1 and 10, if you guess right we’re soulmates and you owe me drinks.”

        Lol I’ll try it on one of the numbers I get tonight 🙂

        “Try and apply that to all of your interactions. I think I’m just gonna focus on writing about value, because that’s like 90% of what I do in the field any way.”

        Coincidentally, that’s my biggest problem lol so please, do keep doing that thanks!

        “If any chick lets you dance (honestly dance) with her on the dancefloor without any prior introduction, barring some sort of weird aspy/attention-whore, you should be ready to makeout after five minutes of steady dancing. Keep that in mind. Just go for it whenever you guys are looking at one another and her arms are around your neck.”

        This has happened lol and again, i don’t know why i didn’t kiss her. I’ve done this before, just not for a while… we’ll see tonight.

        Thanks man, really have opened my eyes to a lot of things. Gonna go back out there. I’ll let you know.

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    • > One of my friends pointed out how lost I look when I scan a room. And doing the whole uncalibrated “i will dance to this music even though I don’t feel like dancing… cuz motion creates emotion… NOT). I still hate the music lol but i want to BELONG and let the environment change me… except my internals don’t give a shit and want to chill..

      I’ve heard this referred to as the chode hop.

      http://krauserpua.com/2012/02/28/the-chode-hop/

      > so I just stand there in the middle of the dance floor sometimes and just “put myself on display” and not pressure myself now (granted I only just started doing this; putting myself on display, that is).

      Good work. Keep practicing.

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      • “I’ve heard this referred to as the chode hop.”

        Um, yeah… I’ve never done that lol

        It’s mostly just me bobbing my head trying to get into bad music. Then I look around cuz I’m boring myself so I’m looking for something else to do/girls to approach. I see girls doing this too all the time.

        Seen this video before too, yuck, I’m not that bad haha

        Thanks for the encouragement Lumpy! I’m definitely not giving up on having sex with slim and busty 9s and 10s lol

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  55. Could a new term for anti-racists be intra-racists?

    Racists=inter-racists (hatred on the basis of race, between race)
    Ant-racists=intra-racists (hatred on the basis of race, within race).

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  56. on July 29, 2013 at 6:09 am Louis Thorndon

    I think you are an absolutely brilliant person. I, however, agree with the comment. I rather just pay for whores than be bothered with all the gaming – even though I have tried it and it works.

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  57. I would probably be considered to be a major beta by the standards of CH, but
    I’d like to think I’m still in the poon game. Being an average-looking male, sometimes I wonder why some chicks I look at in the street immediately look away. A shrink once said that women do this when they DO find a man interesting but do not want to admit it so they can maintain their stupid I’m-the-one-who-chooses game. This has been bothering me for a while, but I guess I’m still not about to become a misogynist.

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    • This isn’t the answer you want, but…. I think it could be either. Your friend is right that women will often look away quickly when they make eye contact with a guy they’re interested in. We don’t want to be caught looking. We don’t want to appear aggressive.

      But if it’s just a chance look at a guy we’re negative or neutral about — sometimes you just make eye contact with people because you’re looking around– we’ll still look away, mostly to discourage the guy from approaching.

      If you catch her looking at you twice, it’s a good sign.

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  58. It’s only effort if you don’t really want to.

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  59. Cool story bro time.

    My job requires me to travel on-site often. Today I arrived at a small dental practice in a major city. While I’m tinkering with the network, a tall blonde HB 7 walks in to view. She notices me and proceeds to sit down and chat with the other office workers. Her body language was transparent: long glances in my direction, hair twirling, both feet pointed right at my crotch. The subject of her conversation? Why, her desire to get married soon, of course! The betas in the office are all stroking her ego, assuring her that she doesn’t need to get married and she’ll find a guy when “the time is right”. She reveals that she is 27 years old and “done having fun” (direct quote) and that she needs someone to save her from herself. She’s essentially admitting that she’s been rode hard seven ways to Sunday and now she’s ready for her knight to gallop into her life. All of this was blatantly spoken in the hopes of grabbing my attention.

    And that’s when a thought occurred to me. Most women that are confronting the Wall don’t even have any idea how to sell themselves for marriage. It doesn’t seem to register with them that men don’t want to marry whores. Here I am, a relatively put-together male prospect, unexpectedly showing up to her workplace to break the monotony of beta bleating, and the best snare she can lay is that she’s done getting butthexed and would very much like a husband now, thank you.

    I didn’t bite. Didn’t even get her number. Not because I wouldn’t bang: she certainly was worthy of a butthex. A better man than I with more Game probably would have set up a bang later in the week. It was just one of those moments when all the manosphere tropes; Feminine Imperative, cock carousel, beta bait, etc; they all came together in one blinding rush of reality. I walked out of there with the most obnoxious smirk on my face.

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    • on July 29, 2013 at 5:49 pm supersystem3

      This has been one of the stranger aspects of learning about game. My upbringing (especially being raised by a single father) made me pretty savvy in regards to women without having the formal knowledge of game.

      However, as I have learned more about the explicitly laid out theory, I see the applications and real time data all around me and it’s truly mind-blowing. There is no shortage of situations (business, sexuality, etc.) where I can see where game is being used on a daily basis, and it is astounding.

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  60. Speaking of mind-games: The wife just sent me a non-sequitur text. She is pretending that she accidentally sent a text to me that was meant for another man. No chance this is anything but an attempt to make me jealous; I’ll explain how I know if anyone doesn’t believe me.

    Trouble is, I can’t think of a good response to this. Last time it happened, I laughed about it, did nothing and said nothing. Seems like I should be able to capitalize on this situation somehow.

    And, yes, I already know that the best option is to not be married in the first place. Too bad so many of us don’t realize that until years or decades later. My attempts to get her to sign the divorce papers with a decent settlement for her, but without paying the divorce attorneys a fortune, is the root cause of her attempts to game me.

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  61. “I’ve heard this referred to as the chode hop.”

    Um, yeah… I’ve never done that lol

    It’s mostly just me bobbing my head trying to get into bad music. Then I look around cuz I’m boring myself so I’m looking for something else to do/girls to approach. I see girls doing this too all the time.

    Seen this video before too, yuck, I’m not that bad haha

    Thanks for the encouragement Lumpy! I’m definitely not giving up on having sex with slim and busty 9s and 10s lol

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  62. What’s interesting about the games women play is the wide variety and varying intensities. It’s similar to how much a man lays on the gas pedal of ‘asshole game’. For women that you are involved with, and this extends into marriage, the games are generally benign, playful, and of no real consequence. (Of course, every woman has a few days out of the month where she’s a raving lunatic and needs to be handled firmly, calmly, and with certainty lest she run amok.)

    In general, women who like you, or who are already with you, play games that they want you to win. There are women playing games they don’t want the man to win.

    This is worth consideration.

    If a woman is attracted to/intimidated by a man, and also insecure, she may throw out much more bitchitude than she would toward a man she feels is more of a ‘safe bet’. Men do the same thing when they lay on too much asshole game because they are intimidated by a woman (her beauty, status, etc.) and don’t have it together. In both cases, they are laying out a nuclear bomb that ultimately turns the person off. There must be some relationship between insecurity level and intensity/desperation of game.

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  63. I have a tale to tell. I once had a neighbor, a hot red head that was fit and thin, she liked games and played them; of all kinds. We had made eye contact a few times while I was outside smoking and one day, for reasons I cannot remember, I asked her her name and how her day was going.

    She replied and I invited her to sit down; I was drinking but did not offer her one. We engaged in general conversation for over 30 minutes, at which time I said I was going to get a refill and that it was hot so we should go inside. She said she had some stuff she needed to put into her apartment and I said fine “I will meet you up at your place.”

    I got into her place and to make a long story short (too late) she proceeded to engage in the longest list of varying games, head games, body language games and “I have a friend on the phone games” I have ever seen.

    To be clear I was not planning on getting laid and did not care if I did, I was just trying to get to know a neighbor. I was also several years older than her and had not had to put up with so many BS games in a long time. But I defeated them and called her out on her games and told her I know what she was doing. She would smile and I smiled back.

    After hours of game playing we made out, I ate her out, she blew me and we fucked; I then spent the night (game mistake but I was tired from all the games and the really long sex games; even though I lived REALLY close)

    My point is, it is never a waste of time on head-playing girls; they want causal sex just as much as we do. She was young, 22 or 23, college educated, slim, ate healthy and crazy (crazy is always the best sex).

    And this is coming from a momma’s-boy that use to be a fat kid.

    My only advice would be, lose weight, be outgoing, confident, relaxed, casual, do not get flustered or frustrated, take your time etc.

    I use to be fat but got into sports in middle school lost a lot of weight, I am relatively good looking, blue eyes and I treat women like people (which throws them off). So lose the fat gain muscle, call women out on their shit and don’t think about sex or even care if you get it. Never be afraid to touch them (especially if you have been in their room for more than 15-30 minutes) and simply do not care.

    I tend not to be a dick to people, even chicks, and have never had many problems. Just look good with healthy muscle and be casual (I like not to be a Dick about things) but this is just what works for me.

    PS. I am WAY older than this chick, so I am hitting out of my league.

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