The Fat Daughter Vs Thin Mother Thought Experiment

Commenter natphilosopher poses an interesting thought experiment,

What I want to know is, what’s the CH translation factor [for female age versus female fatness]?
I figure, maybe 2-2.5 pounds/year?
A 20 year old who’s 50 pounds overweight against the same woman 20-25 years later, but now she’s lost the extra weight and toned up?

No, better yet, CH, they are both at the end of the bar. It’s the middle of nowhere, so there’s no other action and your stationed here for a while. The newly divorced mother, toned and horny, and the overweight but otherwise hot daughter and two of her overweight friends. The mother is so hot for her age, which is 39, that under the circumstances she appeals to the mighty CH. How many pounds per year does the daughter have to be overweight for the Mom to win CH’s attention?

The variables:

39-year-old mom, slender and toned.

VERSUS

20-year-old daughter, 50 pounds overweight.

Which woman commands not just CH’s turgid attention, but most men’s attention (since the vast majority of men share the same preferences in women)?

In other words, how much fat has to accumulate on a prime nubility young woman before a height-weight proportionate woman twice her age begins to look like a more sexually alluring prospect?

Reminder: Presented with two equally slender women 20 years apart, most men will, given a free choice, choose the younger woman for sex AND love. (yes, both)

The formula is simple: Youth >>>> Cougardom, at a healthy body weight, every time. It gets complicated when we fiddle with the variables and compare a young fatty to an older, age-adjusted hottie.

Thinking hard about this (because neither cougars nor fatties are sexual fantasy material), I conclude that the thin mom would earn the CH rod of approval. Youthful bloom, rare and exquisite as it is, can’t withstand 50 pounds of disfiguring blubber. Wrinkles and sag are no man’s idea of boner-fuel, but the equivalent of Lindy West is like the anti-Viagra: Boners implode into a black hole of flaccidness, from which no seed can escape.

I’d therefore have to agree with natphilosopher’s mathematical elegance: A 20-year-old daughter would have to be 2.5 lbs per year fatter than her 39-year-old mom. But only if her mom is already thin. If the daughter is 50 pounds fatter than her obese mom, that’s a dirigible sideshow no one wants to contemplate puncturing.

50 pounds of superfluous fat is a lot of unsexxxy BBBBBBBBW adipose. What if the daughter is, say, 40 pounds heavier than her twice-as-old slender mom? 30 pounds? 20?

At 40 pounds difference, most men would still opt to bang the thin mom with the extra 20 years.

At 30 pounds difference, the pattern of fat accumulation on the daughter will start to matter. Did her additional 30 pounds settle on her ass and tits, and avoid her face, neck, belly and arms? Then I conclude that even numbers of men would choose the daughter and the mother.

At 20 pounds difference, the same as above applies, but now the daughter’s sheer youthfulness exerts a powerful influence on men’s autonomic desires. Most men will overlook an extra 20 pounds on a 20-year-old if the only alternative is sex with a thin 39-year-old (again, presuming equal facial attractiveness, i.e. bone structure).

At 10 pounds difference, the daughter wins nearly every time.

I hope this answer has cleared up everyone’s questions on the matter of female fatness and female age and their deleterious, and synergistically deflating, effects on men’s libidos.





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  1. […] The Fat Daughter Vs Thin Mother Thought Experiment […]

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  2. for a night id take a 39 year old with a great body over a fat 20 year old almost every time.

    Maybe it’s because I’m still in my 20s bi a fit body is more alluring than youth

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    • i think the weight tradeoff in the post is just about right, i’m older so youthful skin is a big deal. however, it’s only true because a 39 _can_ be hot.

      i actually didn’t think it would be such a linear thing, like if we say 1.5 pounds per year for 39 vs 20 as the knee, then say like ‘shapely’ 69 vs 20 with 75 pounds extra, they’re both still about equally vomit-inducing. not an important piece of information since they’re both worse than masturbating, but interesting i guess in terms of making a life where you avoid both like the plague.

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      • on November 13, 2014 at 3:35 pm The Spirit Within

        I just finished a two-month fling with a gorgeous 39-year-old. My 23-year-old buddy was drooling hard over her, and others agreed that she is sexy without being slutty.

        She has a 18-year-old daughter who has her mother’s exact same body, but the daughter is much dumber and more poorly dressed and generally a lot less sexy. One afternoon I went to coffee with the both of them, and while they were chatting I crossed my arms and observed them both and asked myself a hypothetical question — if it were possible, would I ever trade mother for daughter?

        My answer was no. Even given the same hourglass figure, there are other variables besides youth that can’t be ignored.

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      • “there are other variables besides youth that can’t be ignored”

        very true

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    • Yeah man, normally I’d never go for older women, but there was this insanely hot MILF I got with last weekend, it kind of opened my eyes to the older women bloc.

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    • I’d pass on the 39er. Rather fuck the fat daughter. Or better, I’d fuck both just for the bucket list checkoff. Really, neither one is a particularly attractive proposition, but to get both has some appeal.

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  3. Excellent breakdown as expected.

    Presenting to certain blue pillers dug in like an alabama tick….”nu uh bro, older chicks have experience, they’ll make your head spin.”

    Sorry ‘bro”…You just haven’t inspired the young’n to perform. All that matters is a woman is eager to please. A cougar is desperate to please while the 20yo is not as hard up so she commands more inspiration, ie a higher alpha to open her up, only difference.

    Been with 35 to 18. Younger girls are always a better lay in every sense. The over eager antics of the 35yo in bed is bordering on pathetic

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    • > “Younger girls are always a better lay in every sense.”

      With the proviso that I didn’t come up in the post-Lewinsky era of hyper-sexualization and plummeting onset of Menses and teenaged girls with their own XHamster channels: In my experience, it can take the younger ones a long time [months? years?] to relax and trust you enough that they can reliably and enthusiastically orgasm for you.

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      • this.

        also, being well-endowed is both under-appreciated and overwhelming to many 20-year-old women (even the “experienced” ones, unless they’re out banging D-1 power forwards).

        i’d personally give the hot milf the fuck of her life before engaging in a 10-minute belly fat drum-off with the daughter.

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      • and another thing: this thought experiment wholly ignores status.

        [CH: men don’t get hard for women’s status.]

        what if the mom is an actress or otherwise prominent figure? i’m fucking that every time, regardless of the daughter’s weight. just to say i did.

        i guess the ego stroke has always won out for me. is that an anomaly? i always wanted to fuck my hot-ish 26-year-old teachers more than the hotter, younger chicks in the class. something about exerting that power over them turned me on way more than getting my dick wet with a cheerleader.

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      • “In my experience, it can take the younger ones a long time [months? years?] to relax and trust you enough that they can reliably and enthusiastically orgasm for you.”

        definitely true.

        although most young ones are pretty good at faking it with all the porn they are exposed to these days. most guys can’t tell if she’s faking or not or they don’t care all that much if the girl is actually getting off so it’s a bit of a moot point.

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      • although most young ones are pretty good at faking it with all the porn they are exposed to these days. most guys can’t tell if she’s faking or not or they don’t care all that much if the girl is actually getting off so it’s a bit of a moot point.

        Bingo. She’s there for your pleasure.

        Paradoxically, the more aggressive & uncaring you are in bed … the more the youthful girls tend to get off. Being a solicitous lover will often dim her fire.

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      • females can orgasm? shit.

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      • “being well-endowed is both under-appreciated and overwhelming to many 20-year-old women”

        i’ve known a few who appreciated every second of it even at 15 and they never forget the sense of fullness they experienced.

        just another reason why it’s good to get them early because sooner or later johnny fatcock is going to come along and ruin them.

        “females can orgasm?”

        while i endorse using them for your pleasure, the simultaneous orgasm is something to explore. being that dialed in is sometimes worth it.

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      • I haven’t really found any difficulty in getting them off. And who cares, anyway? lol

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      • That old joke:

        Q: How can you tell a woman’s had an orgasm?
        A: Who cares?!

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      • sure in theory it doesn’t matter if we get them off and of course it’s beta to be overly concerned with that. but getting a girl off regularly is what keeps her coming back for more.

        how many of you guys out there have been hot for a chick who you thought was totally into you and enjoying yourself but she wasn’t begging for a repeat performance the next day or the next week or whatever? from what i can tell, it’s happening to plenty of you guys on here.

        those are the girls who are probably faking. you can say you don’t care as long as you get off and that’s a good mindset if you don’t care about keeping a girl around. but if you want her begging for more, she better be getting off for real.

        it’s not rocket science. if girl isn’t getting off, she’s not going to stick around for long or maybe she will stick around but it will be for companionship or security or whatever. it won’t be for love or for what you’re doing in the bedroom.

        some guys don’t care why the girl stays as long as he’s got her and that’s fine but i can’t do that. i like having a girl want me so much that she can’t keep her hands off me and you aren’t going to get that unless she is enjoying herself as much as you are.

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      • CH it’s an interesting dilemma. betting most american men, given the choice, would rather fuck jennifer aniston than a fat 20-year-old with a nice face dishing out boneless wings at hooters. in fact i’d posit most men would bang aniston over a hotter 20-year-old hooters chick, given the choice. surely status plays a part. a sort of conquest dynamic is what fuels me when i consider it. also, compare your ROI in terms of preselection… post a pic on facebook with tammy from table 4, and post a pic with aniston. trust me, you get aniston, you’re gettin tammy my friend. but not vice versa. and if i’m trying to fuck a bunch of hot women, it’s a no-brainer. all else being equal fuck the chick with higher social status.

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      • @K “some guys don’t care why the girl stays as long as he’s got her and that’s fine but i can’t do that. i like having a girl want me so much that she can’t keep her hands off me and you aren’t going to get that unless she is enjoying herself as much as you are.”

        100% true. Lol at this conversation. Some of you seem to think you can’t be sexually dominant and care about female orgasm at the same time. You are quite wrong.

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  4. Let’s raise the stakes a little, OK?

    58 year old Colombian actress Amparo Grisales signalling all the false fertility signals, or pretty-faced, 20-something hourglass-with-extra-sand Carina Behrens?

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  5. What color are they?

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  6. 1) There’s an old piece of folk wisdom which holds that, when choosing a bride, you want to carefully eyeball your prospective mother-in-law, in order to see what your bride will probably look like in a quarter century.

    2) It is VERY RARE but I have known chicks who were soft and flabby in high school but who thereafter got their shit together in their 20s and slimmed down and got very toned.

    3) Any woman who is fit and trim, but who allows her daughter to grow up to be a Beluga, is on the short list for WORST MOTHER OF THE YEAR.

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    • It does not always work, look at the children of gorgeous celebrities, some of them are ugly.

      or the reverse; sometimes ugly parents can have children that are gorgeous.

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      • The folk wisdom was mostly in terms of A) How much weight will your bride probably gain? And [to a lesser extent] B) How soon will your bride probably hit the wall? And I guess you could eyeball your prospective father-in-law [and his mother, if she’s still alive] to get some sense of what they bring to the table in terms of longevity.

        PS – Another piece of folk-wisdom: Children inherit their smarts from their mother and their looks from their father [ergo the offspring of {nerd billionaires} X {super models} tend to be both stupid and ugly].

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      • There are some wives’ tales that are, simply put, wives tales.

        I’ve seen a plethora of instances, myself included, where both looks AND smarts are inherited from mostly one side or the other… along with the opposite of what you state (e.g., looks from father, brains from mother).

        It’s always best to play it safe and have both mom and dad good-looking and smart. 😉

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      • Ah yes, the Christie Brinkley/Billy Joel Spawn syndrome. VERY sad, and not limited to celebs.

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    • 3) Any woman who is fit and trim, but who allows her daughter to grow up to be a Beluga, is on the short list for WORST MOTHER OF THE YEAR.

      True. But sometimes, the girl’s father is a lardass, and she is unfortunate enough to inherit his tendency rather than her mother’s.

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      • Which just tells me that her little cunt mother was too self-obsessed to get her poor daughter into competitive sports. [Yeah, it’s tough work being a Swim Mom – DEAL WITH IT!] Either that, or else the father is a real trainwreck of a disaster who planted shit-for-seed in the mother’s womb.

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    • This might be more common than you think, based on all the soft, doughy teenaged girls walking around.

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    • Hey ZS I share a lot of your sentiments, basically I have this young 19 year old, she is completely devoted to me, but quite frankly she is only average/cute, like 7 on a typical scale.

      Most women are trash these days, and Ive turned her into a complete sub, which I think counts for something, but man shes just not model hot, you think this matters in long term?

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      • do what I do (I have one too), keep fucking other women until you find the model hot one.

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      • > “this young 19 year old, she is completely devoted to me”

        Whew, you gonna give her children? Cause she is gonna be broken hearted – possibly even “slash her wrists / hang herself in the closet” broken hearted – if and or when you dump her.

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      • Thats not the issue, I could string her along forever.

        The issue is simply: conservative/devoted 7 > liberal/feminist/whore 9/10 ?

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      • on November 13, 2014 at 5:45 pm Hymen Mingesky

        Shitthatneverhappened.txt followed by shitthatneverwillhappen.txt

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      • > “conservative/devoted 7 > liberal/feminist/whore 9/10”

        This is a joke, right? 19yo who wants to bear your children versus evil femcunt witch with Darkness-filled heart? PS: Don’t string her along forever. She’s giving you the very best years of her fertility.

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    • Not always. My ex was a slender beauty; her mom was a slender beauty. By the time the marriage ended soon-to-be-ex was as fat as a hippo, and she still is. Mom was still a slender beauty until her death.

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  7. Perhaps my age has marred my standards, ’cause at 43, women 39 years old with the scent of fertility are alright. As far as I’m concerned, that’s pre-wall. Let the young men negotiate with millennial girls. The boys need some scraps, after all.

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    • I’m the opposite. I’d trade 20 lbs per decade, if not even 25.

      Cougars, blech. If i’m a plow an aged manipulatrix, I just stick with my children’s mom.

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    • i agree with you.

      age is likely a factor for me as well. i’m in my 40s. i absolutely prefer women closer to my age.

      even with their youthfulness, i find most, if not all, millennial girls quite unappealing.

      their appearance (tattoos, hairstyles, clothes, piercings, etc.) lack of modesty and femininity, lack of manners and the fact that most of them have higher notch counts than most women my age doesn’t really scream high value, sweet, fresh, fun to me.

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      • Only “most” of them? 99%?

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      • Very interesting comment. I’m 10 months from 40, divorced in my late twenties after an 8 year love affair (not a “relationship”), which included 6 wonderful years of unmarried living followed by 2 of hell. Anyway, until around 34-35, I dated the youngest girls I could – and still do assuming THEY ARE NOT AMERICAN! Within that genus, I actually prefer late Gen X women, older though they are, somehow remain more feminine, COOL, less neurotic, less trashy-Vegas-porny. There is a glitter, exhibitionist, all-shaved-pussy, wannabe stripper vulgarity to Millennial American women that is simply awful. In Germany, Poland, Czech, etc., the same age group is completely different to the American monsters. I don’t like Oriental girls so I don’t bother with them, but even French or Italian girls, who are more Western than those mentioned, are different. American Millennial girls are very uncool, nerdy and “awkward!”, frigid yet slutty. Exceptions abound, and I’m actually dating one now, but she’s the first beyond a fling in years. I expect the next generation to revolt against this Millennial cocooning, nerd neuroticism. I hope.

        [CH: cocooning cultural theory presumes a cyclic engine, but a “return” to an outgoing norm might not arrive, or might not return with the same vigor it had prior to the current cocooning episode. there are a lot of variables, and a lot of ruin, in a diverse, tech-centric and technocratic declining nation that could interrupt natural cycles.]

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      • [CH: cocooning cultural theory presumes a cyclic engine, but a “return” to an outgoing norm might not arrive, or might not return with the same vigor it had prior to the current cocooning episode. …]

        Bank on a post-collapse K shift.

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      • yeah, the other possibility is a radical and wrenching backlash to the current paradigm. cycle shift on steroids.

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      • Only “most” of them? 99%?

        exactly. it’s not most. it’s pretty much all of them unless you’re living in amish country.

        don’t know why guys on here get so much flak for being attracted to older girls when, as we all know, the young ones are mostly garbage.

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      • I was #36 for the last 22 year old I plowed. I was astounded, she had JUST graduated college.

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      • “I’m actually dating one now, but she’s the first beyond a fling in years.”

        this is an important point that a lot of guys choose to ignore. even if a guy prefers young girls for their appearance and fertility, he needs to be aware that most of these young girls do not having staying power.

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      • on November 13, 2014 at 5:47 pm Hymen Mingesky

        Where do you think they got this shit from though? Their moms are even worse.

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      • Just as the Jews planned. Fuck this gay earth.

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  8. So little update on the previous challenges I had with the chick from Texas. Met at a convention and was cockblocked by my really good looking “friend”. Almost got the bang but no cigar. Yareally, HABD and Walawala gave me some really good advice on how to be more alpha with specific steps. And Trav777 mentioned on how to game my so called friend. That always helps. So like I was saying she went back to her hometown but she visits here frequently. And we left it open agreeing to stay in touch when she comes to town.
    Well I have waited a couple of weeks and want to reengage to maintain a little contact. Nothing too heavy just keep in touch so we can make plans. So far not so good though. I texted her couple of days ago and this is what has happened so far.

    Me: Hey there this is that sexy man from ____. (trying to open with something flirty.)

    (almost exactly 24 hours later)
    Her: Hey there! HRU?

    (I waited about 12 hours)
    Me: Young did with a dream…just got off the driving range…what are you up to? (trying to get her to engage)

    Its been two days and no response. I know the goal is to get her to chase me. But I am not getting there. What would you guys recommend? I know that my texts aren’t the best but that’s all I have. I cannot just create witty banter out of nothing. Especially when she is giving me nothing. Is this a case of just cut my losses and move on? Or should I just tell her to contact me when she comes out? Or my natural friend said he is a big fan of confrontation. And said to just send a humorous text like “you are breaking up with me already?” I didn’t like that one. Or maybe just ask to set up a meeting date and time. What would you guys do?

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    • Cut your losses. Do not re-initiate contact.

      You didn’t leave enough of an impression on her if it took her a day to get back to you. Or when she said she’d stay in touch when she’s in town she either a) meant exactly that “when she’s in town” or b) said it hoping you’d forget.

      Also, you were too wordy and too cheesy. Your first line sounds like you’re reaching. The CH swears by the golden ratio, I count your 25 words to her.

      Again, don’t re-initiate contact and if you happen to run into her at another event acknowledge her but don’t approach. If she’s interested let her come to you.

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      • yep

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      • gotta agree here.

        You have two choices Reco. You can periodically re-engage. I do this. Every few months, send a wsup. Out of the clear fucking blue and for no reason. Snagged a 10 this way because she finally was on outs with her bf. It costs nothing. Does anyone actually suppose IGAF if the chick on the other end assumes my “SMV” is low because I txtd her after 2 months subsequent to not getting a response? That is one option to try, invest nothing.

        Or you can just send her pictures of your dick and say “come get some.” Sometimes, straight and direct works too. I hit on a chick in an airport bar and I passed this dude I’d just met’s phone to this black chick and was like put your number in my man’s phone. Then I handed mine to this blonde and was like put yours here (she actually lives in the same city as I). Upon connecting back up with her, not long before I just drop really blunt propositions with visuals. And she says “oooh ur really forward”…booty txtd me at 230a or something to which I was asleep.

        Point is, sometimes there’s no need to beat around the bush with a chick…you just go apocalypse via txt and pics

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    • This is a FEMALE “friend” doing the cock-blocking?

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    • Yeah get out man.

      Its easy to think there is ‘something’ there, but ask yourself this ‘would she be doing this if you were someone like george clooney?’, thats always a pretty sobering question to ask if you are confused about girls behaviors.

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    • She’s not interested. This is what I do when I really don’t care. She might text you back in a few days, and at that point you should ignore her. So when she’s back in town she’ll think “hmmmm, why did he never get back to me?”

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    • on November 13, 2014 at 4:13 pm having a bad day

      @reco

      “So little update on the previous challenges I had with the chick from Texas. Met at a convention and was cockblocked by my really good looking “friend”. Almost got the bang but no cigar. Yareally, HABD and Walawala gave me some really good advice on how to be more alpha with specific steps. And Trav777 mentioned on how to game my so called friend. That always helps. So like I was saying she went back to her hometown but she visits here frequently. And we left it open agreeing to stay in touch when she comes to town.
      Well I have waited a couple of weeks and want to reengage to maintain a little contact. Nothing too heavy [= should be playful…and not beta…lol] just keep in touch so we can make plans. [YOU make the plans and let her know where you will be…i know that doesn’t make sense when she is out of town, but girls are not logical…lol…you still need to do it that way…she COULD make a special trip, right…otherwise, you are going out of your way to see her = supplicating…she should offer an alternative meet up, if she’s not in town at that time…] So far not so good though. I texted her couple of days ago and this is what has happened so far.

      Me: Hey there this is that sexy man from ____. (trying to open with something flirty.) [ = major beta…this is the girl that you were in her hotel room and almost banged, right? do you really think she won’t remember you? or that she’s such a slut that you were just one of many…lol…don’t reengage like this…EVER…lol…the only thing worse might be…’do you remember me?…i was the dude that almost fucked you that one time…’…lol…stop after ‘hey there’ … assume the sale = of course she knows you and wants to spend time with you, you just have to let her know when and where…]

      (almost exactly 24 hours later)
      Her: Hey there! HRU?

      (I waited about 12 hours)
      Me: Young did with a dream…just got off the driving range…what are you up to? (trying to get her to engage) [you answered her question with a direct response (= in her frame, with no playfulness…) and then followed up with a cousin to the deadly 7 (= pinged her ‘provider’ algorithm = she’s in ‘chase me’ mode…) – https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/why-ask-why-shun-the-stale-seven-questions/ – girls that want ‘fun’ need some playfulness…if they’re going to get it from you…lol]

      Its been two days and no response. I know the goal is to get her to chase me. [no…the goal is PIV…lol…her chasing is just an intermediate step…lol] But I am not getting there. What would you guys recommend? [analyze, predict, act, observe…rinse/repeat…lol] I know that my texts aren’t the best but that’s all I have. I cannot just create witty banter out of nothing. [that’s the only place it comes from…lol…sure you can…remember, no fucks given = self amusement = not worrying about what she thinks = leading the interaction = alpha = witty banter…] Especially when she is giving me nothing. [day game for the win!!!…lol…you need to create value for her to be aroused/interested…] Is this a case of just cut my losses and move on? [nah…] Or should I just tell her to contact me when she comes out? [nah…] Or my natural friend said he is a big fan of confrontation. And said to just send a humorous text like “you are breaking up with me already?” I didn’t like that one. [why not?…this might be a breakthrough point for you…let’s figure this out…that’s not a bad response to a silent lead…kind of like a hail mary with better odds…what’s the worst thing that could happen if you did this…?] Or maybe just ask to set up a meeting date and time. [NO asking!…lol] What would you guys do?”

      you have two choices – cut bait or figure out a way through (however slim the odds may be)…lol…you know my recommendation is ALWAYS going to be try it and see what happens…lol

      wait 3 weeks, then ping text to meet at x at y…treat your current exchange as a flake and don’t mention it again…lol…and next time be playful and indirect (NEVER answer her questions with a direct answer OR ask her a direct question…)…lol…and see what happens…

      good luck!

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      • @HABD great analysis but one thing I highlight for discussion:

        “”Or my natural friend said he is a big fan of confrontation. And said to just send a humorous text like “you are breaking up with me already?” I didn’t like that one. [why not?…this might be a breakthrough point for you…let’s figure this out…that’s not a bad response to a silent lead…kind of like a hail mary with better odds…what’s the worst thing that could happen if you did this…?] “”

        I’m surprised you’d encourage this. This seems needy. It would freak a girl out yes…but not in the way that would spark attraction.

        Tell us more about this…I would never have thought this a strategy in re-igniting a cold lead.

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      • on November 14, 2014 at 7:56 am having a bad day

        @wala

        “”Or my natural friend said he is a big fan of confrontation. And said to just send a humorous text like “you are breaking up with me already?” I didn’t like that one. [why not?…this might be a breakthrough point for you…let’s figure this out…that’s not a bad response to a silent lead…kind of like a hail mary with better odds…what’s the worst thing that could happen if you did this…?] “”

        I’m surprised you’d encourage this. This seems needy. It would freak a girl out yes…but not in the way that would spark attraction.

        Tell us more about this…I would never have thought this a strategy in re-igniting a cold lead.”

        question to you…what’s the worst thing that could happen if he sent this text?…and what’s the worst or best thing that could/would probably happen if he didn’t?…a silent lead is not showing any interest anyway, so a hail mary in line with alpha frame = best possible shot at redemption/turning around the set…

        from the point of view of no fucks given, the text = self amusement/calling her out on not treating you with the respect you deserve…that’s why his natural friend called it a humorous text…bc it is…lol…

        but you are right in one sense…if he is soooo far into the beta hole that he can’t see daylight, then she might see it as ‘needy’ but again…worst possible outcome/best possible outcome from this situ?

        make sense?

        also, i wanted find out why he didn’t like that text bc it might point out a sticking point for him…

        also, she liked him enough to invite him to her hotel room to make out, so she’s got some ASD in play, too…that ‘breaking up’ text helps diffuse that bc it indirectly implies that he sees a relationship with her…and not just a pump n dump notch…

        see YaReally’ comments n that other current thread about layering PUA techs like an artist…that text works on a couple of levels…

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      • @HABD The worst that could happen has already happened: she’s ignoring me or blowing him off.

        To send a text like that would I believe come off “needy”…

        I once sent a ping text I made up: “rabbits are water-proof” to revive a cold lead. The girl responded in like 2 seconds: “what???” and I was able to reconnect.

        I get the idea, I think it’s just putting yourself out there too much that a girl might take it the wrong way in a text form.

        Saying it…you could be ironic. Texting it I would think would appear needy.

        In this case I think Reco is in the beta hole even though she did that.

        But have you noticed chicks have no sense of time? If I ignore a girl, or dont’ see a girl for a while and there is some attraction…..the next time I see her she’s all happy to see me.

        I think also, I’ve had so many strange experiences with BPD or depressive girls that when they suddenly go cold after a period of great times, I am working hard NOT to take that weirdness personally.

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      • @HABD so what’s my play now with the actress I banged several times and started seeing for 4 months? She just suddenly went cold and ignored me for not apparent reason. I approached her to dance, she refused, I looked at her, shrugged and walked back to my table which was full of girls having drinks with me. It’s been a week—I’ve gone silent. Do I re-open?

        I had thought about just sending her that same text she sent me a few months back about paying for her theatre ticket: “feel free to deposit the money…”

        Normally I know how to read situations, but when a chick just blanks me for no reason….i’m not going to ask “What’s wrong?” Thoughts?

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      • on November 14, 2014 at 1:15 pm having a bad day

        @wala

        “@HABD The worst that could happen has already happened: she’s ignoring me or blowing him off.

        To send a text like that would I believe come off “needy”…”

        …now i get your comment…lol…do NOT confuse YOUR situ with reco’s situ…re the text…in reco’s situ that text would work bc he did NOT really have a relationship with the girl…so they couldn’t really ‘break up’…you on the other hand, DID/DO have one, so don’t use that text…lol…you’re right it would sound needy…

        but, in reco’s case, the worst has happened…so, how can it get worse?…lol…that text wouldn’t be the worst thing he could do…lol…but his best option is probably just a flirty ping text to meet up in a couple weeks…

        “I get the idea, I think it’s just putting yourself out there too much that a girl might take it the wrong way in a text form.”

        only IF you actually have a relationship to break up…

        “@HABD so what’s my play now with the actress I banged several times and started seeing for 4 months? She just suddenly went cold and ignored me for not apparent reason. I approached her to dance, she refused, I looked at her, shrugged and walked back to my table which was full of girls having drinks with me. It’s been a week—I’ve gone silent. Do I re-open?”

        do you want her in the rotation? yes = reopen is mandatory…lol…

        “”I had thought about just sending her that same text she sent me a few months back about paying for her theatre ticket: “feel free to deposit the money…””

        rethink…this sounds butthurt…lol…but only bc of her current behavior. if she was all over you, it would be fun and flirty…

        “Normally I know how to read situations, but when a chick just blanks me for no reason….i’m not going to ask “What’s wrong?” Thoughts?”

        there is ALWAYS a reason…lol…it may not make sense to guys (logical) but it’s a perfectly understandable reason from a girl’s POV (emotional)…and you are right, you cant just ask her, bc then you wouldn’t be the guy who ‘gets it’…

        soooo, let me get this sorted…lol…her friends have been giving her grief about being your sex toy…lol…and you were sitting at a table full of cute girls having drinks with you…and having fun together (but NOT with her)…you then walked over to her (at a different table on the other side of the room… where everybody could see that she wasn’t at YOUR table (the cool guy)…and where there was no you to have drinks/fun with…lol) and you were surprised that she wasn’t ready to jump up and lick your face?…lol…

        does that bring the situ into clearer focus for you?…lol…and this girl was where in your rotation? top?…last place?…lol…girls do NOT like to be second placed…they are willing to ‘share,’ but only with equal status as the other girls…sounds like you were putting her into a situ where she couldn’t even try to win/compete for you…and her second place status was VERY overt…

        and that’s on you (what a GREAT learning opportunity….lol) bc YOU are responsible for managing her feelings…remember she’s just a silly girl…all just a bundle of emotions and sexuality…you wouldn’t want to change that, right? so, you have to manage that by holding your frame rock solid. even if she is at your table with your other girls/rotation…(note – this will probably be very uncomfortable for you bc feminine imperative shaming/guilt…)

        you should have invited her over to join your table…unless i’m missing some dynamic in play here, she should have been invited there up front…even/especially if you are gaming other girls at the table…social proof/competition anxiety/dread/etc…all good…from having her there…at YOUR table…lol…she’s hot, right?…

        your reopen…? i got nothing…lol…at least specific…

        you’ll have to acknowledge your socially retarded faux pas wrt her not sitting at your table without getting beta/supplicating/asking forgiveness…even though that is what you are doing…while at the same time NOT failing the jumbotrom test…lol… best to just call it out…

        ‘i just realized what was missing [that night]. i apologize (note – do not say ‘sorry’) for not having you at my table. i must have had a socially retarded [brain fart/senior moment/whatever]…drinks? first round’s on me…’

        or something similar…

        good luck!

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      • @HABD Thanks. Maybe some more context is necessary. Sunday of the start of the week she came out to meet me at a party I was djing. We made plans to meet up Wednesday for a class. I told her i’d text her to confirm plans. Tuesday I texted and she said she had made plans for Wednesday dinner with her friends. I didn’t reply. Went to the class….she was acting cool…suddenly she said “I feel exhausted”. This is a girl who had been telling me: 1) she is on meds, 2) seeing a shrink 3) had contemplated suicide.

        So After our class, she bolted and went back to her friends. I left. Saturday she showed up and ignored me—constructively. It was then my friends came over to my table including the various girls. Initially I was sitting alone.

        If this was a faux pas i’d know what to do. But it’s weirdness of a kind I haven’t experienced so i’m reaching out for insights.

        Up to now we’d been having a great time, going out, she was “top” of the rotation. Last Saturday was weirdness….I couldn’t understand where it was coming from because if she was upset about other girls I would have sensed something. This was a kind of shut down. No idea how to re-open or even whether to leave this as a “Soft next” and then re-open with a planned activity.

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      • on November 15, 2014 at 10:32 am having a bad day

        @wala

        …with that new context…probably not a faux pas…lol…although, i will point out that you having a table full of cute girls and not at least inviting her back to the table didn’t make the situ better wrt to her…lol…

        her med issues are either true or not…if true, not anything you can do about it, except wait it out. if she needs the meds, her rx/dosage might not be effective yet. (she might have just switched meds/dosage and is in chemical flux wrt brain chemistry…) that’s going to mess up her emotions/energy levels/etc…

        if not true…drama queen…lol…if she was cool at the sunday party but not cool at the text on tuesday something happened in between…but my guess would be she wasn’t cool when she left the sunday party…if you were djing, did she get enough of your attention? maybe she expected an invite home and didn’t get it?…also, a tuesday text to confirm for wed might have been too long to wait and she feels second placed/afterthoughted…especially if you did take her home after the party…

        the subtext/subcomm on ‘i feel exhausted’ (assuming no med issues) is ‘i need attention’…your response should be something like ‘let’s get a coffee.’ (insta date) (don’t explicitly add [a and that will fix your problem type comment] which is slipping more into her frame) (and as opposed to ‘oh, what’s wrong…’ which totally slips into her frame)

        i know it’s not usually a good idea to reward dramatics, bc it’s really easy to get into a chasing frame or frame battle, which this might be, given her friends giving her grief about her relationship with you, but sometimes it’s one step back, two steps forward…also, she might be feeling the wall creeping up in the distance and can’t figure it out…but that’s just a calibration issue…

        she probably just needs more comfort/rapport. and if that’s been lacking, she’s slipping into a ‘chase me’ frame to try to get that to happen…

        probably best to treat the whole incident like a flake and reengage as normal after a flake. then mix in some more rapport/comfort and see what happens.

        i will note that you could still ‘misconstrue’/reframe her brush off at the dance as her being jealous of your other girls…lol…

        good luck!

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    • @Reco
      “(I waited about 12 hours)”

      Why?

      You had her attention in whatever her busy schedule was, and she was receptive and presumably able to have a conversation.

      In that 12 hours she got 400 Likes on Facebook, 50 texts from her orbiters, put out 4 emotionally draining fires at work, 100 messages on her OKCupid, etc. (exaggerated obviously, but you get the point)

      Don’t fall for the oldschool belief about texting showing neediness. The game has changed in the last few years because of social media. Before social media and all the instant validation girls get, ya, aloof was great, 12 hours builds tension and she’s sitting by her phone dying for your next text and all. But these days it’s just passing up an opportunity to flirt and cement attraction and letting her change into less receptive states.

      If you get her attention, plow that shit hard while you can. That’s why I recommend texting in the evening past 8pm (ideally 9:30-10pm when she’s probably in bed winding down and you have her full attention and privacy)…so that if she responds, it can be turned into a solid value-building situation.

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      • @Reco

        Alternative to yareally:

        Or, if you’re like me, text only for logistics. I keep my phone on silent (my iphone is set not to show texts on the locked screen, no notifications) and am extremely busy all the time so I’m really bad at responding to girls’ texts. Sometimes I respond right away, sometimes a day later. And I pretty much only text to set up a meet, or a short response to a question she asked. Girls complain to me all the time that I’m bad at texting, and I just say yeah, have you ever seen me text anyone while you’re around me lol

        Keeps an air of mystery. Yareally is a super verbal gamer though so I can see why he does the text game stuff

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      • @kant yes…depending on the girl, I will more or less mirror the texts. If the girl is more chatty…I can be more expansive. If the girl is not, then it’s just logistics—which with girls tend to go on for paragraphs anyway—wtf is it with chicks and logistics? I can’t say “Meet me at exit D”. It has to be “let’s meet Exit D, there’s a bank of ticket machines, i’ll see you near the 7/11 to the right of that” otherwise it’s 45 texts of “Where are you?”

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      • Thanks brothers. Lots of good advice here. I realize that this is a low probability opportunity but I am going to pursue the route HABD recommended and give it a shot. I live in an area with many fun things to do that’s why she comes out here. So I am just going to ping her and invite her out and see if she responds.

        I see what you said trav about doing the Hail Mary and sending the dic pic that is what my good looking cockblocking piece if shit “friend” did on that first night when he was drunk. Plus there is an outside chance he may still be trying to contact her knowing him.

        And I never seem to get his right Yareally on the texting interval. As soon as I finally learn to space out the intervals now I need to bring it back In Lol do you guys think I should do one of those fake texts in the middle of the night like I am sending it to someone else? You know where you say “I am down at the end of the bar where are you?” Just to build interest?

        Finally I knew this chick was really into me at the time. It got really hot and heavy in the room. Plus she was future projecting and making plans, and qualifying to me a lot. She told me how different I was. Threw a few shit tests which I passed. But I guess she could have gone cold by now. I will try to get her out and not worry about if she does not. I have three other plates spinning now. And I am approaching more in the daytime.so things are getting more solid.

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      • @Reco
        God don’t send a dick pic. Ever. Men shouldn’t send dick pics. Not only is it way too easy to go wrong (esp if this is someone in any way connected with work), but then a dick pic of you is out there floating around forever. Nothing you send will ever die in the technology age.

        If you’re going to send something overtly sexual, send a textual description. When a chick is around her friends and gets a dick pic she just shows it to her friends and they all lol There’s a reason women’s porn tends to be books like 50 Shades. Their imagination/mind turns them on more than seeing a pic of a dick.

        “And I never seem to get his right Yareally on the texting interval. As soon as I finally learn to space out the intervals now I need to bring it back In Lol”

        lol every newbie goes through it. You’re learning calibration. Now you know what can happen if you wait too long so you can weigh “do I seem to have her full attention right now? Is it 2pm on a work day or is it 9pm on a Sunday night? Should I keep engaging and escalate or just ignore her for a few hours?” and calibrate to the situation.

        “do you guys think I should do one of those fake texts in the middle of the night like I am sending it to someone else? You know where you say “I am down at the end of the bar where are you?” Just to build interest?”

        No, every chick knows this is fake, ’cause they and/or their friends do it to guys lol Remember you haven’t actually done anything horrible and low value yet. Don’t pull the chute early and throw out hail mary’s when you’re probably going to hear from her next time she’s coming up. She may reply tomorrow saying “hey sorry work was crazy, looking forward to seeing you again!” Just chill out and ping in a couple weeks or when you know she’ll be coming up again.

        “Finally I knew this chick was really into me at the time. It got really hot and heavy in the room. Plus she was future projecting and making plans, and qualifying to me a lot. She told me how different I was. Threw a few shit tests which I passed. But I guess she could have gone cold by now.”

        This is what I mean when I talk about guys thinking “she was really into me that night, so when I txt her or we meet up for a Day 2, how come she’s ice cold??? I should be able to just pick up where I left off!” You’re often starting over from scratch after that first night…that’s why the Same Night Lay is a good idea, because in that moment you’re amazing to her so if you can pull off the bang then she’ll probably be locked down as a fuckbuddy. But if you don’t pull it off you have to deal with this kind of thing where she’s “reset” emotionally or even in a BAD emotional state and you have a lot of uphill work to redo.

        Again, I’ll stress that she hasn’t done anything horrible. She hasn’t given you shitty answers or told you to fuck off or anything. She just hasn’t replied yet. Maybe she opened her phone and intended to reply but had to take a shit and forgot she had a message to reply to, maybe she dropped her phone in a lake, etc. Lots of possible explanations, don’t freak out yet.

        Just chill and ping in a couple weeks. She may even ping you next week. If she’s the logical/all-business type she may see no reason to ping you till she’s closer to a trip there because she doesn’t want to start a relationship up just have fun. Maybe she met another dude and she’s seeing how that goes right now but she’ll be down to bone and focus on you when she comes up. Again lots of possibilities that aren’t “it’s over”.

        We’re guys, we want certainty. We want to know 4 weeks before she comes up that we’ll be hanging out. But girls run on emotion in the moment. You could txt her the night her airplane lands and if you make her feel good emotions she’ll meet up if you make her feel bad emotions she’ll avoid it. Don’t stress yet.

        She MIGHT have lost interest or her situation may have changed in a way where you’re no longer a good idea for her to hook up with, but 1) there’s not enough stone-cold evidence of that (not enough to give up), and 2) you had her attracted before so even if her situ has changed and you can’t get her stoked right now, in a few weeks when she’s on an airplane landing in your city, a few solid texts could re-stoke that attraction and you’re in. Women live in the moment, how she feels now could be a total 180 from how she felt 10 minutes ago before she listened to a happy song or a sad scene in a movie came on, and 10 minutes later she’ll be in a different emotional state lol

        “I will try to get her out and not worry about if she does not. I have three other plates spinning now. And I am approaching more in the daytime.so things are getting more solid.”

        Good on ya, glad things are still going well. When I get older I’m planning to switch more to day-game. Cool charming older guy at the grocery store is probably a more exciting story to tell her friends than drunk old bar-fly on a stool lol

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      • @yareally thanks brother this is awesome advice. One point of context this actually napped a couple of weeks ago. Just could not get it to show up on the blog until now.

        I will proceed with a Ping text next week. Don’t have a nickname for her so I will make something up. We only had that one night and a few subsequent texts.

        Any suggestions on a good ping text?

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      • @reco I simple ping text I use is “Oy!”

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      • @walwala I will use that thanks.

        @yareally don’t worry I have never sent a dic pic yet. And yes I think the day game thing is best. Drunk old guy in bar does not work tried that lol. But I will say there are older bars with a more established crowd and even cougar bars that are not bad. Now I am not interested in cougars either, but it does help with social proof and then game the younger women in there. When I say younger I am talking 30’s lol

        Another angle I am working on is once you have an attractive woman you hang out with take her places with other younger chicks to gain social proof and game them. Just my 2 cents.

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    • @Reco I have a different challenge but with similar traits. Girl I’ve been banging for last 4 months, all is going great when we’re together. But she’s not a “texter”. I checked my texts, they usually consist of: ping text, logistics. Ping text, logistics.

      She was getting weird about a few things including the fact her friends were questioning “our relationship” which I would just deflect as “if they want good gossip go to buzzfeed”…

      Suddenly she just blanks me at a party…ignores me and refuses a dance with me saying “my feet hurt” and gets up with another dude. I was sitting with a few other girls so just blanked her after that and got on with my night and left near the end of the night quite coincidentally at the same time as the hot girl who was sitting with me decided to leave. I’ve got other prospects and you should too.

      Since that time I’ve gone radio silent for a week. I’ve been busy with my projects and work. Once in a while she posts on FB some articles of interest or a love song.

      We had made plans to meet up December 1st after some travels of ours.

      But I plan to leave this for a few more days, then re-open her with: “feel free to deposit the money for the classes you wanted” for a set of workshops I’m organizing. These were her exact words a few months ago when she invited me to her theatre production.

      Point is…re-open when you feel non-needy.

      A few things I notice from your posts which are like mine around 6-12 months ago: you tend to over-analyze stuff in your game. When you start to do more of this and see more successes, focus on those so you don’t get caught in the co-dependent spiral.

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      • Brother you are so right I do tend to over analyze. And I believe that creates more neediness. Funny thing is I have had many successes but I seem to always focus on the failures or the one that got away instead of the successes. Have to reframe this in my own mind.

        I understand what you say about ping text and logistics. What do you use for a good ping text?

        And I am going to catch up with you brother. Lol

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      • @Reco Usually a ping text is an inside joke that I’ve developed with the girl. With the crazy ex gf it was “meow”.

        With the latest one giving me grief it’s “plum”

        With the surgeon I banged it’s “oy”…

        With the Japanese girl I’m friends with it’s just “moshi mosh”.

        The Taiwanese girl I’m gaming: “hey hip hop girl”…because she confessed she danced hip hop.

        A ping can be anything that links you two. If you don’t have one make one up. I usually give girls I’m gaming nick names.

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  9. We could do a sort of economics supply-demand chart, with a constant-attractiveness curve along the dimensions of fat and age.

    Then overlay that with Shortest Straw’s level of drunkenness. Where the lines cross – that is, where the attractiveness exceeds Shortest Straw’s intoxication – the lay happens.

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  10. Good post. Where I work, there’s a few heavies here and some decent slenders. Since the topic of hot mom in late 30’s was brought up, there’s a lady here, with a wonderfully toned body–as in she’s mindful of her weight and diet–with a gorgeous ass, lovely long hair and a farmgirl look to her. And, she’s popped out two kids and still has a fit body, better than most girls that work here that are younger than her.

    Then there’s a dollface of a EE lady, wonderful hourglass figure, also having popped out two kids, that I would pounce on in an instant if she were single. She’s all things feminine and just exudes a quality that, aside from farmgirl MILF, the other females cannot match. Sophistication, by one female friend called it, so I’ll go with that.

    I get a rise out of both women (more so farmgirl MILF) than most of the chicas here, even one tattooed slut that I was into, given her curvalicious body, but given that half her body is inked up, I lost interest.

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    • Ah, however there is a nubile Asian girl here that can and does trump them both, so there’s that. I’m not sure which country she’s from, but she’s definitely not Westernized, which makes her more attractive. I gotta follow Zombie’s advice and BUN –> OVEN.

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    • LOL’ed. Now you’re talking.

      BTW, the MILFs with two kids each – are they both still married? And does “EE” refer to the 2nd chick’s bra size?

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      • Yup, ZS, still married and this is in SoCal no less! HAHA. Although, Farmergirl MILF keeps staring at me with longing….and that ass!

        EE = Eastern European. She’s probably Armenian-ish or Russian-ish, but sooo beautiful!

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  11. Drop below 3 watts per kilogram and you’re pretty much useless to me, Babe. My stoker needs to at least be able to pedal her own ass.

    There’s no room for dead weight on my team.

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    • And your little dog, too.

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      • wizard of Oz game?

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      • Bitch wants to take her rat thing along for the ride, I’m willing to consider it, but its weight gets added to hers in calculating her watts per kilogram.

        Now while I wouldn’t go near Elmira Gulch with somebody else’s, I have to admire her turn of speed given that she was riding a roadster. A pretty stylish Italian model at that and not just another DL-1. I figure she must have a been wild thing in her younger days.

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  12. just trust in your cockas.

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  13. I observed this exact predicament at a local private gym. The mother-daughter management team consisted of a small, slim 40-something cougar, and her obese 20-something mudsharking daughter. The weight differential was probably around 200 pounds, which made the hypothetical choice that much easier.

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  14. I dunno, it’s tough. I see women my age all over the place that are 100% smashable, in their 40s. Might be a geographic or demographic thing going on here. Poor southern states seem to breed lots of folks who don’t keep themselves up I spose. At any rate, there are also women who can hold a lot of weight well so I agree that fat placement is key here. I’ve banged some heavy girls, none would qualify in my mind as fat though. I think it’s possible to instantly determine how well a woman holds her weight by looking at her ass. Not a K Kardashian fan here, yuck.

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    • “I dunno, it’s tough. I see women my age all over the place that are 100% smashable, in their 40s. Might be a geographic or demographic thing going on here.”

      i think it’s definitely demographics. i see hot women in their 40s all the time around here too.

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    • “Might be a geographic or demographic thing going on here. Poor southern states seem to breed lots of folks who don’t keep themselves up I spose.”

      yep

      there are a lot places where women don’t keep themselves up anymore so i get why a lot of guys think women in their 40s are unbangable but like you said, it’s demographics. it isn’t like that everywhere.

      there are a lot of hot women in their 40s around and those who do keep themselves up look better than most of the women you see in their 20s and 30s. it didn’t used to be like that. a decade or two ago, when a woman was 40, she looked 40 but now with good nutrition, anti-aging stuff, etc. some women are looking decades younger than they are and i see them all the time where i live.

      and from my experience, it’s not the women in their 40s who aren’t keeping themselves up. it’s usually the younger women.

      so i don’t know where these guys are living and what kind of options they have available to them but why would anyone choose a lazy, skanky teen or 20-something who has caked on make up to hide acne, chipped stubby fingernails, ugly ass clothes, and a nasty attitude over a hot 40-something who takes good care of herself. i do not get it.

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    • I moved to the South at 25. Was completely shocked how even 25 year old women around here look. The Bay Area in CA has all kinds of issues, but when I was growing up there, women look decent well into their 30’s, because they don’t get fat and take care of their skin. I assume it’s diet and lifestyle.

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    • Definitely demographic, and the demographic correlation seems to get stronger every year. Poorer areas = fatter people. If I go into a Walmart in the midwest, people stare at me like I’m a movie star. In metro areas or affluent suburbs, I’m ordinary. That’s why I wonder whether these “universal beauty standards” will really stand the test of time.

      [CH: they will. remember, the lower classes don’t exercise free choice when they pair up. they settle, and they settle harder than do higher class people with more options. settling does not indicate or harken a biological change in mate preference.]

      There are areas of the country where the vast majority of women are fat and tattooed. What’s a man to do? Over time that has to have an impact on what men find attractive.

      [nope. over time, those men will get more depressed and more prone to “drop out”. a poor man who falls into riches and fame will scoff at the notion of hooking up with land whales and mudsharks and single moms. or: trading up happens.]

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      • “If I go into a Walmart in the midwest, people stare at me like I’m a movie star.”

        Pic, without the friends.

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      • Poorer areas = fatter people. If I go into a Walmart in the midwest, people stare at me like I’m a movie star

        no, they stare at you because you’re not a fat fuck. you stand out in that context in the same way that thwack stands out at a skinhead convention.

        What’s a man to do? Over time that has to have an impact on what men find attractive.

        nope. it has an impact of what kind of women they can realistically attain.

        if you ask those men who they find more attractive, a playboy playmate or a bbw feminist, do you really think any would pick the latter?

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      • Yes sure!

        Except “Amy” is a 280 lb 52 year old NegroRican male sitting in some hellhole apartment in the Bronx w/ food stains all over his shirt.

        There’s nothing “she” loves more than talking about how “all the guys stare at her like he’s a movie star where ever she goes”!

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      • Reading comprehension fail!

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    • This is pretty common here in SoCal. Plenty of women remain quite fuckable in their 40s and even in their 50s.

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      • In my part of Sweden many of the women are hot and bangworthy into their 40’s(though like any man prefer them younger). I’m a sucker for that Swedish essence and when they are thin they still have it.

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  15. clear as a bell now

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  16. http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress Who cares what your scientific achievements are. Your shirt with comic book characters on it is oppressive

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    • I wonder if the people giving him flack are the ones who say you shouldn’t judge someone by their clothes, cover, etc. . .

      These guys landed a friggin’ space module o a freakin’ comet, moving at who knows what speeds and all they can talk about is his shirt. You’d think he’d fit right in with he tatted arms, but I guess the shirt cancels that out.

      Oh, and some one had commented that if a girl lost desire to join STEM, it just meant she was never into it. But, in today’s day and age, people find the shittiest excuses for not doing what they want, hoping for a pity party to assuage their laziness.

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    • See also the “Old white men prove that privilege not confined to Earth” tweet.

      Liberals, escaping from oppression by old white men could not be easier. Simply buy a one-way ticket to Liberia. My guess is they’ll let you right in.

      You might possibly have to do without free public wi-fi for your iPad 6, your gimmedats, and the level of medical care to which you were accustomed, for example, but hey – those were just sops thrown to you by your former oppressors to enslave you anyway. When the going gets tough, just remember that freedom isn’t free.

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      • I’m increasingly convinced that a lot of people really need violence to be done to them, if not to “get it,” at least to STFU

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      • http://www.vdare.com/articles/core-vs-fringe-contd-media-starts-to-catch-up-on-sailer-strategy

        “One effect [of Ferguson] was that Asians suddenly swung sharply Republican. The 2012 exit poll claimed that Romney won only 27 percent of their vote. But in the wake of Ferguson, and the Obama Administration’s absolute lack of interest in the video of the giant black man attacking the Asian shopkeeper, Asians voted 50-49 for the GOP. This was the first election in which Asians went Republican since the 1990s, after the black pogroms against Korean shopkeepers during the April 1992 Rodney King riots.”

        By all accounts, blacks and latinos do not get along either. Before Dems grant amnesty to all those illegals, they had better test them for a sufficient degree of self-loathing, or else they might not vote as expected.

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    • funny thing is, it was a girl who made that shirt for him. i guess she’s a ‘casual misogynist’.

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    • I don’t care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing

      Gentlemen, remember this moment…

      … you have just read the epitaph of Western Civilization.

      (((bowin’ mah haid in deep resignation… sigh)))

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  17. Has the GB4M blog been shut down?

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  18. That was me above with anonymous reply.

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  19. My judgement was born within milliseconds, just when i read the title.
    Thin mom over fat daughter. Anytime.
    Now let’s see the article, i’m interested.

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    • Yes. Would whites still be a beta race if we were free to be ourselves and had no federal boot on our necks? To ask the question is to answer it.

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    • When there are 130 channels on the dish and a McD’s on every corner, we’re certainly “beta”, in the disparaging way this question means the term.

      When the chips are down and life ain’t so easy, the wheat separates from the chaff.

      Stay tuned.

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      • I think it’s about time for a long, flatulent, hellfire-and-brimstone comment from Matt King, telling us how we’re all fools for not following Epictetus, or Leviticus, or Marcellus Flavius Antonius, or St. Paul, or….well, or whoever he identifies with most at the moment he writes his post.

        Plus, it was amusing to see Greg Eliot constantly lick his ass.

        (((Shakin’ ma haid)))

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      • Stillcho, still trying to revive the old-and-busted routine that closed out of town long ago:

        Homo projection… check.

        Matt King, living rent-free in his haid… check.

        Inane stalking of GE with non-sequitur comment… check.

        If assholes were clocks, we’d all be setting ours to the atomic-level one that is Stillcho.

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      • Tip o’ the hat
        I like the cut of your jib
        Avaunt, thou impious fairy
        Droll golf clap
        Well…I’ve been *roundly* chastised
        You fairy

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      • Now come get one in the yarbles… if’n ya got any yarbles, eunuch jelly thou!

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      • The Germans were beta until they killed 6 million Jews. These assholes never learn. We’re really fucking good at killing lots of people and if you push us far enough we will. Who owns the most guns in America?

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      • Who has the highest suicide rate?

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    • The so-called cathedral, backed by the full might of America’s military/judicial complex, has spent quadrillion dollars to ensure that two white teenage boys don’t feel free to physically disparage a mud shark, and that a homeowner may not directly have a say in the makeup of his community.

      To be honest though, George Wallace stepping aside at the school door was the original beta move. Earlier, Merle Haggard’s sheepish decline to endorse Wallace was a proto-beta move. Wallace’s deathbed anti-racist conversion was just sad.

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    • The dying George Wallace said that yne reason he’s repudiating his past politics is to make good with Jesus.

      Poor man. The power of frame… Wallace accepted the imperialists’ frame that community is something that only the rich may have. The poorer of tbe Southern folk, if they can’t buy into it, must be eradicated.

      Wallace could have gone to his death understanding that he tried to prevent the thousand Knoxville Atrocities and though he failed, he did the best he could… which is all that God asks of us anyway.

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      • He was a tired old man, riddled with bullets and pain medication…

        Even in his heyday, he was a poor substitute for any kind of modern-day Martel.

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      • Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever. Was pretty much only wrong on the “Segregation today” It always comes back.

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      • “Even in his heyday, he was a poor substitute for any kind of modern-day Martel.”

        Why do you fellas masturbate over Martel so much?

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    • “When there are 130 channels on the dish ”

      I keep saying this… there is a powerful way of resisting the enemy. It is easy, 100% legal, anyone can do it, and best of all — you get insane swpl status points when you do it: Get rid of your TV.

      Especially if you have children. what? You like to watch sports? Fuck sports, the regular season stuff anyway. If you gotta watch a he, go to a sports bar. And I’m sure one of your friends will be throwing a Superbowl party in January.

      I’ve seen, numerous times, my wife talking with a new female acquaintance and at some point answering her question with “we don’t have a TV at home”… and the other woman’s eyes growing big with admiration and a hint of envy.

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  20. Glad I live in Asia. Out here, a woman who’s 50 pounds overweight would weigh something like 140, which is far too heavy for my 150-pound self.

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    • I’m just in Asia and most women here are too skinny and short for my idealized taste. They tend to the androgynous and compensate with cuteness and showing off long, shapely legs, plus submissiveness.

      Not a bad menu, just not my ideal Happy Meal.

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  21. I agree with CH. My wife has only gained about 60 pounds in about 25 years, which is right in the suggested range. She was a little overweight but bangable back then, but at this weight here, making her 18 would only make her very slightly less unappealing than she is now. It would help, but not that much.

    At the other extreme, when I was around 30 there was a 55 year old woman in my life who made me feel like a silly high school boy. When I first met her, she was slightly chunky, but she lost all the weight and became the hottest woman in my sphere at the time. I used to accidentally on purpose touch her ass and stuff. It was fun times until she wanted to go through with what would have been an act of infidelity on my part.

    See, that was me when my wife was 36 pounds lighter, and 15 years younger. The cougar old enough to be my mother was tempting, but resistible, and I could still feel good about doing the “right thing” on principle.

    Now? I’d be all over a good looking 55 year old. I’m almost hopelessly beta, and my game sucks. Pick your flavor: fat or old. I’ll go with old.

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  22. on November 13, 2014 at 3:20 pm The Spirit Within

    60 lbs in 25 years. How the f–k did you EVER allow THAT to happen?

    You’re in a terrible headspace, man. Focus on your inner game to change your outer.

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  23. Not any different here. It’s always youth before age and thin before fat. I’ll pass on both since non of them are passing the bones test.

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  24. 39-year-old mom, slender and toned vs 20-year-old daughter, 50 pounds overweight.

    If I had to choose – the 39 yo would win hands down, fat is a MAJOR turn OFF. But really, I would walk. This is a no-win situation – 35 is pushing it, 39 is just too far over the hill… and 20lbs is about the maximum for overweight, assuming she is about 5’6″. That drops a LOT as we move down in height…

    There is just nothing good about this situation – better to walk and call a guaranteed FWB… While new-poon usually trumps known-poon in this case, you have to go with the known quality…

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  25. Probably the 20 year old. I’ve done my share of plumpers, but I’m not even sure I could get hard for a 39 year old. No matter what kind of shape she’s in. *Gag*

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  26. Troll question: Heartiste, would you date a hooker?

    [CH: depends. not if she’s still in the business. (ps date != commit)]

    Wait, hear me out. Let’s say even though she was a hooker she was the cutest, sweetest … no, I can’t do this. But I’m gonna post that question on some forums to check the level of white knighting and feminism. For science, of course.

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    • What?! Unless by “date” you mean “have ONS with”. I can’t believe you’d actually date an ex-hooker, even in a casual/open RL.

      [CH: if she’s hot, sure why not. i’d bang. of course, i’d need extra assurance that her vagina isn’t a petri dish.]

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  27. Can’t say I’ve seen too many fat parent/fit kid or fit parent/fat kid combos. They’re usually either all fat or all fit.
    In the given (imaginary) scenario, if the daughter’s less than 20 lbs. over, she’ll win in most cases. There are TONS of people in western societies who are 5-20 lbs. over, if you’re going to automatically eliminate all the ‘pleasantly plump’ (~ 5-10) girls, you’re gonna have to look for a job in which you will be surrounded by nothing but swimsuit models, ’cause the real world will just depress you no end.
    At more than 20 lbs., the scales tip towards mommy, provided mommy looks somewhat like a certain Colombian lady I’ll probably be seeing later tonight.
    Mid-40s, can hang with the young hotties minus a few laugh lines.

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  28. Dr. Adderall tells me:

    Relative hotness mass threshold = years raised to the power 1.125 + 0.05years, all multiplied by a race correction factor.

    RHMT=(Y^1.125 + 0.05Y)xRCF

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  29. 39 yo with great body every time.

    i happen to be seeing a hot 37-going-on-38 yo right now and she is absolutely competitive with women half her age.

    throw in knowing ‘no dramatic bulllshit’ and ‘knows what she’s doing in the sack’ and its no contest.

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  30. Presuming the daughter is of same height and build. Assuming 40 year old version does not have any skin issues associated with poor maintenance/over sunning, etc.

    20 vs. 40 year olds

    20lbs or less – taking the 20 year old every time. At that age they carry fat well because their skin is still tight

    30lbs – would need to know the the height and frame size. Small frames under 5’5″ or medium frames under 5’2″ aren’t going to handle 30 extra pounds. So I am going for the older version. However those making frame/height thresholds I will take the younger.

    40lbs – going to take the older woman unless the younger is 5’8″ and thick framed. Not really happy about either because a thick frame 40 year old, even when fit isn’t going to be attractive either.

    50lbs – older woman unless we are dealing with some sort of 6’4″ amazonian.

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  31. You guys NEVER heard the word “zaftig”? As in “pleasingly plump.”

    A young woman with a little extra fat is a great sign of fertility. Too bad that the fat tends to increase greatly with age.

    That said, at my age (early 60s) the 39 y/o would be the better lay.

    In fact I’ve got a DTF date Saturday with a 39 y/o Korean off CL.

    The fundamental turn-ons are copulins (the scent of fertile woman) and feminine skin.

    And yes, it is good for the man when the woman orgasms. Her vagina contracts and her cervix extends and just sucks up your semen – and your dick can tell!

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    • Pleasantly plump is my favorite type of girls.

      That means tiny amounts of extra fat in the right places, rounder hips, more “bubbly” butt, bigger boobs, at bit more tighs but that tappers to a small delicate knee, and of course a superb hourglass figure.

      Fatty is such a vague word, it is used for about any size girls girls except anorexic,

      a pleasantly plump is not a fatty.

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    • “And yes, it is good for the man when the woman orgasms. Her vagina contracts and her cervix extends and just sucks up your semen – and your dick can tell!”

      this is true. it feels good to us when they orgasm and the part about the semen getting sucked up is true too. i had no idea it even happened like that until i was with a woman who rarely, if ever, felt the need to clean up after. most girls do so it sticks in my mind for sure.

      too much information for some of you probably but this girl never ran to the bathroom right after or asked for something to wipe off with and she wasn’t leaving wet spots everywhere either. she just sucked it all right up inside her.

      guess that’s one way to tell if she’s getting off right and it’s a lot less mess to deal with that’s for sure.

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      • If a woman is not that into you as a potential father, she will expel your semen within 10 or 15 minutes. It is a form of natural birth control – not very effective but part of biology. She can consciously jump and clean out too.

        So wet sheets (other than from squirting) is not the most positive sign. Needn’t be a deal killer through as she could be just on a test flight.

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    • And yes, it is good for the man when the woman orgasms. Her vagina contracts and her cervix extends and just sucks up your semen – and your dick can tell!

      It’s night and day difference and feels great. The trembling is fun too.

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  33. Just posting this one to get on the email

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  34. Did you See Julien of RSD was kicked out of Australia for being evil and antifeminist? There’s also a massive push in some European countries to ban him from entering. These are the same countries that allow islamists back in after they fought in Syria.
    http://m.spiegel.de/panorama/a-1002808.html
    http://time.com/3578387/julien-blanc-feminism-real-social-dynamics/#3578387/julien-blanc-feminism-real-social-dynamics/

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  35. Totally off-topic. I just wanted to thank walawala for his piece of advice last week. Field report coming when I’m back home.

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  36. OT – dude proposes to Chicago Bulls cheerleader at half-time. Here’s to a life spent paying the bills while she works her way through the alphas of the home & visiting teams – http://www.liftbump.com/2014/10/24942-chicago-bulls-cheerleader-proposal/

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