The Beauty Ratio

Take a look at this series of photos. Which woman, left or right, is more beautiful?

How elusive is the concept of beauty? Apparently, not very. With a few microtweaks of geometric proportions, a woman’s face can turn from plain to pulchritudinous. The Marquardt Beauty Mask uses the pentagon and decagon as a foundation that, when a face is aligned to the mask, objectively proves that beauty is NOT in the eye of the beholder (beyond the trivial biological fact that a visual processing center in the brain must apprehend beauty), but rather is a definable and universal constant of formulaic precision that can be replicated and duplicated to achieve the identical hornytoad response in men the world over.

Nihilism and cynicism are perfectly justified when the timeless mysteries of human wonder yield to the investigative scalpel of cold numerical analysis.





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  1. One’s just the fat version of the other.

    1st

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 9:55 am North Vinlander

      No, the second has a higher forehead, narrower nose, different lips, etc.

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    • the new nose sucks and the stretched center portion of her face makes her look weird though, and she looks like ann coulter overall in the after.

      i definitely tend toward liking rounder faces than horse faces. but i think the overall point still holds, not everyone and not everything is beautiful. this is a fairly rudely transformed image being compared to what i think is the real original, so i’m probably put off by that a little too.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 3:54 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        I think I’ll accept the aesthetic judgement of the Hollywood Plastic Surgeons over yours.

        They get paid in after-tax, non-insurance-reimbursed CASH…. and they are booked solid.

        Internet talk is cheap -but the proof of the pudding is in the checks being written.

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      • i don’t know that i could have been more clear i was talking about my own personal taste and that even with my opinion i think they’re right (i think that a girl with the features in the second photo would be more clearly more attractive). but yeah, you burned me there, for a minute i thought i’d discredited the entire point.

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      • If we as individuals have facial features that tend from the ‘perfection’ outlined by the Marquardt mask, then perhaps we are more attracted to people that also have these variations, but in the opposite direction.

        Burke finds the original image more attractive, so perhaps he has a long thin face, with thin nose and defined jaw line?? (the opposite of the round-faced original image). Mating of two individuals like this would then likely lead to the offspring’s facial types adhering to the marquardt mask instead – Perhaps the subconscious goal is to produce healthy offspring?

        I know I have a similar facial type to the original image and find the edited image a lot more attractive, but I can see why some might not.

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      • PokerTree

        If we as individuals have facial features that tend from the ‘perfection’ outlined by the Marquardt mask, then perhaps we are more attracted to people that also have these variations, but in the opposite direction.
        ————————————————————————————-

        Thats an interesting perspective.

        Do you think this could also true for behavior?

        Would “nerdy” girl be more attracted to an artistic guy because she lacks thats specific metal discipline?

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      • According to _The Satanic Witch_, you’ve got it about right. Opposites do attract, but it has more to do with sexual dimorphism than just opposing traits.

        When a straight man looks in the mirror, he is not seeing someone he would do so hard. His idea of what is ideally feminine is going to tend to be what is somewhat opposite of himself. His dream girl is at least a few things that he himself is not.

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      • I’ve heard that the really expensive plastic surgery involves breaking the bone structure and letting it grow back. It’s six months or more before you want to be seen in public again, before that you’re a bruised mess. But it works, it could almost turn the left picture into the right one.

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      • Wtf? How is the second picture a horse face? It’s just oval. It seems like anytime anyone says that these days they are actually describing a ‘not fat’ face in a sea of fatties.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 11:21 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      “beauty will save the world” –fyodor dostevesky
      “booty will save the world” –da gbfm lzozozozzlzlzlo

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      • GBFM: EPIC!

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 11:34 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozoz da GBFM’S name is JUICY J!!!

        miley curus be having da GBFM’S BABY Which we are going to call “Chateau Juicy J Hearitise” in honorz of da great and unrivaled HEATRIESEZ zlozzzo

        lzozozozlzloz

        lozozzoozzozo

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      • Disgusting

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      • I don’t like her young gay boy look, her young gay boy haircut, but she is kind of pretty underneath the Halloween costume, which begs the question; what the hell is she doing with such an ugly man???

        And why does she hate her own race?

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      • She’s messed up – that’s why she acts, behaves, and looks like his. What else is new?

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      • Her transformation from wholesome to whore is not an accident. I predict she will be sporting a fashionable vibrant boyfriend soon as an example, to be emulated, for all the young — White — girls who’ve idolized her since their childhoods.

        —->>>Move along—->>>nothing to see here—–>>>

        Her father must be so embarrassed.

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      • Her father is the perfect example of the failure of men. He’s a weak male who raised her without boundaries, or the concept of it. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have even entertained the thought of embarrassing him like this and making a public spectacle of herself. She has become the poster child of slut.

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      • So, woman acts like a prat, all the male’s fault. As usual.
        Bet he’d have gotten no credit if she wasn’t.

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      • Don’t be ridiculous; it’s not about taking credit for yourself and being selfish. It’s about making your child do the right thing and have a decent life. At the rate she’s going, she’ll either fall into drug abuse, or end up a used and abused middle-aged divorce hasbeen whose kids are even more messed up and mentally fucked up than she is. Haven’t we seen the kids of other celebrities on this projectile? They all end up like this because they are raised without boundaries.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 3:26 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        hey lily,

        miley is way, way more talented and beautiful than you.

        why all the hate?

        she’s gorgeously talented.

        can you do this:

        ?????

        didn’t think so lzozozlz

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      • OMG! Talk about a slut! Too tomboyish, tattooed, sexed up, you name it.

        I am right on the money the way she’ll end up, and she’ll only get worse too. When she has a child (out of wedlock I’m sure) and it grows up, it will have the privilege of seeing his/her mother doing this on video, and you want the child not to be messed up?

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      • Here’s some more of her debauchery

        http://www.justjared.com/2013/10/03/miley-cyrus-bares-breast-for-racy-terry-richardson-photo-shoot/

        Commentators call her a horror show – at least people still retain some morality.

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      • If you are a man and you think Miley Cirus is attractive, then take a good look at this photo of her,

        http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/2965256/miley-cyrus-bares-breast-for-racy-terry-richardson-shoot-02/

        If you still think she is attractive then you are into 8 year old boys

        look at those non existent hips, those non existent curves; she has the body of an 8 year old boy.

        if that photo turns you on, you are a gay pedophile and it is time for you to come out of the closet.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 5:24 pm Carlos Danger

        He got day lickrish stick!

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      • Canadian Friend
        , which begs the question; what the hell is she doing with such an ugly man???
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        Come on Canadian Friend, how long have you been on this blog?

        Are you a loser?

        No?

        Do you hang out with losers?

        No?

        Then why do you expect her to hang out with losers?

        She’s a high roller dawg; she hangs out with the other high rollers.

        Do you hang out with people who can’t get what you got?

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      • Well, here is one example of how the multikult has indeed altered western men’s expectations of what women should look like, but not quite the way you may think I’m going to say…

        Aside of the short haircut, Miley Cyrus does not look like a boy at all. She looks like what a young, European female is supposed to look like. I’d even go so far as to class her as sturdy.

        While your mind is being blown, consider that in times past, it was rare to see a young lady in so little clothing. There was porn back in the day though, and some of the old gothic shots are still legal.

        Thing is, back in the old days, there was more variety in what was acceptable as ideal, and nobody really felt pressure that a specific type was the only thing that could be considered beautiful. There was a range from young nubile to relatively young but mature fertile, and even rubenesque (not fat but “plump”) in the mainstream.

        In the realm of fantasy, the European woman was a corrupted innocent, damsel in distress, carried away by her passions, or a sultry seductress using exotic tools and spells to get her man. Overlapping was the African doing the latter, the longsuffering ride or die, and the primitive who shook dat ass and didn’t know any better. These fantasies made sense in the western male mind when it was still masculine.

        Now, all the starlets are supposed to look and behave like a caricature of the oversexed negress stereotype. It is quite insulting…but drives the point home about how what would ideally be cultural fusion is actually cultural death. You’re now all supposed to want women with masculine minds, and they sell it to you using the feminine body framed in what would seem like a culture that would provide betas with greater availability.

        So it is understandable to associate such a spectacle with masculinity, and believe me, it would be in my (temporary but) personal interest if everyone rebelled by preferring the more buxom for ltr’s, but the truth is that feminine women are usually not so curvy until their 20’s. Until one begins to be sexually active, and gets pregnant at least once, she is not really supposed to look too well padded. In a natural culture eating natural food, teenage boys and girls do look very close until girls start getting married and boys start filling out. It doesn’t make someone a pervert to like the looks of young women who are just “budding”. It is quite normal and healthy.

        Some men, thank goodness, prefer more junk in the trunk etc. or have room for that in their range. This is nice, but I would like to see men being more cool with one another regarding body type preferences, than promoting one limited standard over another limited standard. One man’s Freya is another man’s Helga, and another’s Oshun is yet another’s Bertha. It’s all good so long as it passes your boner test, it’s a consenting adult, and it remains concerned about your wellbeing, pleasure, and the fierce nurturing of your offspring.

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      • For the record, I don’t think Miley is ugly. She is actually hot. Her problem is that she makes herself unattractive with the tomboyish haircut and the sporadic body tattoos. It takes away from her femininity. Otherwise, she is sexy. She has a great figure. Her BMI is probably a bit underweight, which is why she has the body of a teenager, and which is just the way I like it. If you stay 2-5 lbs. underweight, depending on your height, your figure would look more youthful, less curvy, and a lot sexier. Look at models, they are all 10 lbs. underweight, in order to keep the body form becoming too covey and looking fatter under the lens. Most models are 5’10”, so being 10 lbs. underweight is just about right for them. Petite girls like Miley should be about 2-5 lbs. underweight.

        Anyway, the reason she is behaving slutty is that she needs lots of attention; she needs to stand out. And what better way for a very young woman to get attention, if not sexually. She is dying to tell people look at me, I’m beautiful, I’m sexy, I’m hot, I’m daring, I’m talented, etc… and this is why she is out of control without a thought in the world about whether or not her actions are appropriate. While her career indeed requires she gets attention, she is overdoing it and becoming a pariah in people’s minds. She has become the topic of conversation, and not in a good way. This is the worst thing for a public figure, and can lead to career death when one becomes too outrageous even for our permissive society.

        The reason she’s out of control is that she has never been raised with boundaries. She must have been allowed to act on whatever notions entered her mind. Now, even if her dad tries to put the brakes to her, it’s too late. He should have worried about the dangers of his daughter sexualizing herself when she first entered showbiz. He should have put limits on her when she was 8- or 9-years old and teaching her values and morals. He didn’t do it then, and now he’s paying the piper.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 9:44 pm gunslingergregi

        she looks like a lesbo in the club I go to who doesn’t turn me on
        if she does have kids though the pic of the kids needs to be shown everywhere and that will get the right message out
        then she will say something about the little niglets like yea the little baby acts just like me not looks acts not looks acts as a baby acts just like her not looks cause the baby looks like something that came out in a fucking alien movie

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 9:47 pm gunslingergregi

        one of the saddest times of my life was seein j and the bitch fucking showed the pic of he twins and they were both black
        just nasty
        she looked like shit too
        but yea I ain’t talked to that bitch since
        least these other bitches got white kids

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 11:30 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        I don’t know, but I been told
        A big-legged woman (feminsitsz) ain’t got no soul.

        All I ask for, all I pray
        Steady rolling (sung as “skinny little”) woman gonna come my way.
        Need a woman gonna hold my hand
        Won’t tell me no lies
        Make me a happy man.

        lzozozozzololzlo

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      • Zeppelin….good choice!

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 11:54 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        many of youz do not know this but BEN BERNAnKE originally WROTE da hit MILEY CYRUS SONG we cant’ stop:

        It’s our House (& Senate) we can do what we want
        It’s our Fed we can print what we want
        It’s our dollar we can bankrupt who we want
        We can bailout who we want
        We can butthext who we want (2x)

        Red commies and sweaty bungholes everywhere
        Hands in the air like we don’t care
        Cause we came to make so much debt now
        And the betas here must pay it all now.

        If you’re not ready to go home
        Can I get a hell no
        Cause we gonna print all night
        Till we see hyperinflation alright

        So la da di da di, we like to party
        Dancing with Bernanke
        Doing whatever we want
        This is our Fed
        This is our rules
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop printing
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things, Things don’t run we
        We take everything from everybody

        It’s our Fed we can do what we want
        It’s our dollar we can print we want
        It’s our party we can bomb who we want
        We can butthext who we want
        We can bankrupt who we want

        To my Keynsians here with the big butt
        Shaking it like we at a strip club
        Remember only Greenspan can judge ya
        Forget the haters cause Bernanke loves ya
        And everyone in line in the bathroom
        Trying to get a line in the bathroom
        Inflation so turned up here
        Getting turned up, yeah, yeah

        So la da di da di, we like to party
        Printing with Bernanke
        Doing whatever we want
        This is our Fed
        This is our rules
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things
        Betas don’t run we
        We take everything from everybody

        It’s our Fed we can print what we want
        It’s our dollar we can inflate all we want
        It’s our congress we can buy who we want
        We can butthext who we want
        We can bailout who we want

        It’s our Fed we can do what we want to
        It’s our House (& Senate) we can love who we want to
        It’s our country we can sing if we want to
        It’s your mouth you shall suck when we want you to
        Yea, Yea, Yeah

        And we can’t stop printing
        And we won’t stop inflating
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ that life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things
        Betas don’t run we
        We take everything from nobody
        Yea, Yea, Yea

        lzozozozlzozoz

        zlozozozo

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      • This was some of your better stuff recently. Well played.

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      • You are a living legend.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 2:27 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        tanksz a lotz!!! lzozlzolzoz

        here is da new remix zlzozlzlo much betterz!!!

        many of youz do not know this but BEN BERNAnKE originally WROTE da hit MILEY CYRUS SONG we cant’ stop:

        It’s our House (& Senate) we can do what we want
        It’s our Fed we can print what we want
        It’s our dollar we can bankrupt who we want
        We can bailout who we want
        We can butthext who we want (2x)

        Red commies and sweaty neoconz everywhere
        Hands in the air like we don’t care
        Cause we came to make so much debt now
        And the betas here must pay it all now.

        If you’re not ready to go home
        Can I get a hell no
        Cause we gonna pump all night
        Till we see hyperinflation alright

        So la da di da di, we like to party
        Dancing with Bernanke
        Doing whatever we want
        This is our Fed
        This is our rules
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop printing
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things, Things don’t run we
        We take everything from everybody

        It’s our Fed we can do what we want
        It’s our dollar we can print we want
        It’s our party we can bomb who we want
        We can butthext who we want
        We can bankrupt who we want

        To my Keynsians here with the big butts
        Shaking it like we at a strip club
        Remember only Greenspan can judge ya
        Forget the haters cause Bernanke loves ya
        And everyone in line in the bathroom
        Trying to get a line in the bathroom
        Inflation so turned up here
        Getting turned up, yeah, yeah

        So la da di da di, we like to party
        Pumping with Bernanke
        Doing whatever we want
        This is our Fed
        This is our rules
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things
        Betas don’t run we
        We take everything from everybody

        It’s our Fed we can pump what we want
        It’s our dollar we can inflate all we want
        It’s our congress we can buy who we want
        We can butthext who we want
        We can bailout who we want

        It’s our Fed we can do what we want to
        It’s our House (& Senate) we can butthext who we want to
        It’s our country we can quantitiative ease if we want to
        It’s your mouth you shall suck when we want you to
        Yea, Yea, Yeah

        And we can’t stop printing
        And we won’t stop inflating
        Can’t you see it’s we who own the right
        Can’t you see it we who bout’ thug life
        And we can’t stop
        And we won’t stop
        We run things
        Betas don’t run we
        We take everything from everynody
        Yea, Yea, Yea

        lzozozozlzozoz

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      • GBFBM for presidentz!

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 9:47 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        “zlzlozozozo you can believe in!” -GBFBM for presidentz!

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      • That voice sounds familiar, even with the auto-tune. Could it be Brother Nathanael is the GBFM?: http://youtu.be/0f4Q2p6ZnKE

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      • I was hoping it would tell me how to pronounce lolzlzzlzlolz but you skipped that.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 5:41 pm Half Canadian

      There’s a definite difference, regardless of weight. Maybe her face looks fatter, but that just plays into the ratios.
      So we have a template for beauty. This will be plugged into the CGI programs, and into Photoshop (with face-recognition technology – Now butter faces can be print models).
      And it will be run into the ground. It will be so common that people with a few MINOR flaws will be seen as exotic and desirable. And the programs will follow that.
      But the baseline will not change.

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  2. ….and the moon-faced women of Mongolia wept.

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    • yeah dear lord you see that in the mosaic of averaged women’s faces last week or whenever? they’ll put you off your breakfast

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  3. on October 3, 2013 at 9:37 am gunslingergregi

    could be big brained chick left smaller brained chick right
    could be helping the looks too

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  4. Doing like Hunter did and posting field report to Rational Male:

    http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/30/the-rational-male/comment-page-2/#comment-23437

    Cue GBFM talking about butt tingles and Zombie Shane telling me to man up and impregnate some white bitches. Peace.

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  5. on October 3, 2013 at 9:43 am logicwontgetmelaid

    Not long before there’s a google glass app to auto-beauty mask every person you look at…

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  6. on October 3, 2013 at 9:50 am RappaccinisDaughter

    No surprises there. What might surprise you all is just how much of that can be faked with skillful makeup application. Proof:

    Which is to say that you really don’t know what you’re getting until you wake up the morning after and see her without her makeup on. The takeaway? Maybe the first date should be at the beach, if you live near one, or a water park. There are waterproof mascaras and eyeliners out there, but it’s virtually impossible to keep a full face-worth of makeup intact after a dunk in the drink.

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    • RappaccinisDaughter I think we will keep you around. I like it.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 10:00 am Hammer Of Love

      That’s a pretty dramatic change, but you could almost feel the makeup ready to cake off on the “after ” photo. I guess the moral is; watch out if a woman is obviously wearing too much makeup.

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      • Not particularly dramatic. Google porn stars without make up and see how much of a trap make up is.It can add up to a full 4 points when properly applied. Fucking scamming whores

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    • She also suffers from a mad case of bitchy resting face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v98CPXNiSk

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 11:28 am RappaccinisDaughter

        It’s tragic, but Resting Bitchface and Resting Asshole-face do have their upsides. Especially if you have to spend any time on public transportation, or if you live in a populous city.

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      • Resting Jerk Face seems to be more of an upside for men than the female version for men. Especially when Resting Jerk Face comes with a short beard.

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      • female version for *women

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 11:50 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Do you have Resting Jerk Face? I’ve got Resting Bitch Face. I’ll be in the best mood ever—rainbow-fartin’ unicorns shitting sherbet all through my head—and random people will *still* tell me to smile.

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      • I do now. But I had to train myself to get it, since several years ago I had Smiley Buffoon Baby Face (credit to John South).

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      • Thanks for the visual, RD.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 3:12 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        The Uni-Crohn’s? You’re welcome.

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      • Sometimes people would say as I was younger “you should really look at your facial expressions, you often look very angry”.

        I only recently realized that I had it right all along, not that I changed or anything.

        A man is not supposed to be a smiley buffoon as it is a sign of submission.

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      • “Uni-Crohn’s”

        Clever, too clever for a pretty girl. You’ve had to use your brains to get what you want. Also, way too good at being funny, which is something else pretty girls don’t have to be. You’ll probably make someone a fine wife if you’re at least thin.

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      • I don’t find a jerk face attractive, although I agree a man should try not to smile too much.

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    • My mom has an old photo like the link you posted. The photographer removed all her freckles. She HATES the portrait, and prefers one that appears to be made for a NOW propaganda. I hope my father outlives her.

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    • That make up transformation is amazing… she is unrecognizable. what a skilled make up artist!!!!

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    • She looks mean.

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    • Wow, both pictures are rough. In the first one she looks like a creepy dead-eyed mom at Walmart, and in the second one she looks like a creepy dead-eyed truck stop stripper.

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      • That’s because she looks too made up – too much cover up or concealer to hide those zits and blemishes. It makes a female face look like it’s a canvas, which indeed is what makeup artists call the face they work on.

        I doubt most men, no matter how unfamiliar with female ways and means, can’t recognize too much makeup when they see it, and be wary of it.

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    • That’s way too much makeup. This is called stage makeup – the kind you wear to the Oscars, or a fashion shoot.

      We all wear makeup, but nothing like this. Most women don’t know how to apply this kind of makeup. They need a real makeup artist for that.

      Anyway, she isn’t that attractive with her full makeup face either. Her eyebrows are still awful (too thick), and her lips were nice even without lipstick because they are full. The one thing the makeup did improve is slenderizing her nose and bringing out her green eyes more. Her lips and her eyes are her best facial assets, and the makeup helps define them, while improving her thick nose.

      A lot of women can look great just with a little bit of blush, light mascara, and a bit of lipstick. What you really need to do is pay more attention to your facial skin so you don’t have to wear so much cover up (this one has awful skin – zits), your teeth, your hair (let it grow long), and be thin.

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      • It is true she is wearing way too many layers of make up, I don’t think she looks ugly, if I saw her in person I would think the make up is too much but I would still think she is pretty.
        I am a beautician, I do make up – but I am not capable of transforming a face in anything close to that way, that is serious skill and probably a whole bottle of foundation and 2 concealer sticks lol

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      • Another thing that helps females look hot is great posture. I hate slouching. It make you look shorter and confidence lacking, as well as froggish, like you’re about to leap out of your skin. Not attractive.

        A woman should look graceful, and move flowingly.

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      • Thanks for all the beauty tips!! This is my favorite blog about how to be a manly alpha male. Can you post some tips on how to match my purse to my shoes next?

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      • Dude. Don’t knock it – getting exposed to these discussions can help some kid new in the game distinguish between an 8 and a heavily-made-up 4.

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      • A crucial skill…

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      • However, a better tip – to look taller try wearing shoes that match your skirt color (in your case, pants color). So having shoes in different colors is a good investment. Black skirt (pants) – black pumps (sneakers, oxfords, clogs……..whatever). Black patent leather even better, and so on and so forth. Now, bash me for my spending.

        In other news, I love your snarkines 😉

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      • LOL, I meant a better tip than purse matching shoes.

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      • Yeah.

        Seriously CH, how long are you gonna let these women shit up the comments with their frivolous asides? I don’t have anything against women posting here and I’m not picking fights, but I think a little quality control is in order.

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      • And have all the strength of a raging fire, mysterious as the dark side of the….

        o wait. wrong gender. sheeit.

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      • I love you for this Mulan reference !

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      • Maybe if all you want is one night stand you don’t care but if you want a bit more than that and will be seen in public with her, you don’t want a sloucher

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      • I have no idea why my comment is below anonymous’ ???

        I was replying to YaReally…

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      • Owen Wilson’s “broken” nose is practically all makeup. I’ve got the Polaroids to prove it.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 4:23 pm Lerker Jerker

        Disagree. The eyebrows are the only thing giving structure to her currently lumpy dumpling face. Thin eyebrows are either for grandmas or white trash. Her eyes are small and misshapen, color is unimportant. Her best feature is her cheekbones, in that they are noticeable despite her presumably higher weight. Bringing those out might balance out her jaw and distract from her chin, which is her biggest flaw.

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      • You have an interesting perspective, but I disagree.

        While thin eyebrows are indeed for grandmas, hers are way too thick as is, and with the makeup the artist made them look even thicker, what for? They were good enough the way they were.

        Cheekbones? She doesn’t have any, but the makeup artist was able to fake their presence.

        Eyes? Her eyes are pretty and not too small, but with the makeup the artist was able to bring them out and turn them into 2 beautiful emerald jewels.

        Chin? She doesn’t have chin or man jaws; it’s perfect.

        “lumpy dumpling face”? She has zits and skin blemishes, but “lumpy dumpling face,” no.

        Lips? They are nice and full, although a smile would do her wonders, especially if she has white straight teeth for a full smile.

        Her problems are awful skin and chubby face (as you say), and her thick white trash nose (which got contoured out with makeup). She might look better if she lost some weight, if indeed she is overweight – it’s hard to be sure though. Well, on second thought, at the very least she’s big-boned if not outright fat.

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      • “You have an interesting perspective, but I disagree.” Hey, that’s another line Brick Heck (The Middle) needs to be taught to improve his social skills. 🙂

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    • Another example:

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    • “Which is to say that you really don’t know what you’re getting until you wake up the morning after and see her without her makeup on. The takeaway? Maybe the first date should be at the beach, if you live near one, or a water park”

      Or just kick her out after you fuck.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 2:58 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Kick her out? Like, she came to your place? No, no, no. ALWAYS go to their place. That way you can bounce when they fall asleep, instead of having to go through the whole, “Oh, I’m sorry, I’ve got an early meeting in the morning blah blah.” Or give them cabfare. Or, god help us all, cook them breakfast in the morning.

        Works for me.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 3:59 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        You probably don’t know what “morning wood” is, dear one.

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 4:07 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Of course I know what it is; I just can’t get it myself. (Sort of lacking the necessary equipment and all.) However, I’m going to guess that if you went to bed with an 8 and woke up with a 4 because she wiped all her makeup off, you might not have much morning wood to worry about anyway.

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      • “ALWAYS go to their place.”

        Too much effort, especially with no vehicle.

        “instead of having to go through the whole, “Oh, I’m sorry, I’ve got an early meeting in the morning blah blah.””

        You just tell them before they come over that they can’t stay over because you have shit to do, no biggie.

        “Or give them cabfare.”

        lol what? Why would I pay for a cab when I’m not going anywhere? Did Feminism not happen? They can pay for their own cab…the sex was probably better for them than it was for me anyway so they should be the one spending money. Although back when I was more of a gentleman I used to give them a bus ticket lol

        “cook them breakfast in the morning.”

        As if I’m going to give them my food. That shit costs money. You’re nuts.

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      • I make their bus ticket conditional on them cooking me breakfast in the morning. If I’m feeling especially generous, I may even fuck them once more before sending them on their way.

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      • Yep re sex being better for them so they should pay. Exactly my thought process. I know I’m slumming and need to up my game when the chick cums in like 10 seconds and I’m like I better turn this bitch around or I’m going to be here for an hour.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 8:13 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Dude, do you live in NYC or Boston? Is that why you don’t have a car?

        Cars are CRUCIAL. You always need a getaway strategy that isn’t contingent on public transportation or getting a cabby to pull over.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 8:42 am leavesarefalling

        walk

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 8:32 am Toffee Hammer

        I do not allow sluts and whores to disgrace my home.

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    • Sort of agree to disagree there. The girl in question has a nice bone structure, but really crappy skin. Hiding that under a ton of base doesn’t really make her any more pretty — just more plastic. Though I agree that skillful over/under toning can create illusion of shape…it’s quite superficial.

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    • See what makeup did for her in those pictures?

      Game is Makeup for Men.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm Imperial Leather

      No amount of makeup can hide her ugly attitude in that pic

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    • Where-at’s my chisel. Gonna scrape tha’ crap offa that, see what’s underneath.

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  7. on October 3, 2013 at 9:52 am North Vinlander

    “Nihilism and cynicism are perfectly justified when the timeless mysteries of human wonder yield to the investigative scalpel of cold numerical analysis.”

    I don’t see why.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 10:05 am North Vinlander

      P.S. Beauty is still beauty. And surely every great artist is someone less mystified by beauty than the layman. In fact, the better we get at this “cold numerical analysis,” the better a culture we can create.

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    • “I don’t see why.”
      ——————————————

      I do.

      Its because “Western man” has bought into the lie of, “If I can measure it, I can control it”

      How can you kill God when you want to be God?

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 10:13 am North Vinlander

        What you’re saying is too vague, but I have a vague sense that I disagree with the point you’re trying to make.

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      • thwack:

        Do blacks consider themselves Western Men, or westernized simulacra?

        Thank you in advance for your time and response.

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      • I can only speak for myself.

        Even when I can “fit in” with whatever dominate culture is on top, I can never stay because at some point it tries to confine and restrict my being. I resist the pressure to confine myself in one of these pre fabricated “categories” because somebody is always gonna be disappointed and/or angered when I “color” outside the lines.

        Do I consider myself a Western man?

        I don’t think Im qualified to make that determination.

        Would I get hung if the Taliban captured me?

        Sure, but so would a duck-billed platypus?

        I don’t know what country I’m from; you want me to pretend to be from yours?

        OK

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      • People are hanged, pictures are hang. Shout out to prof. Rani V. Palo for that tidbit from university.

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      • Don’t you have an unique opportunity to be in a country which accepts all as it’s nationals – since nobody is from there since the begininng?

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      • Thwack-thoughtful response. But please distinguish “dominate” (verb) from “dominant” (adjective). This always ruins it for me when I troll chicks’ personal ads.

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      • …“Western man” has bought into the lie of, “If I can measure it, I can control it” …

        Of course Thwack was going to say that, because his kind can’t measure up

        hehehe…

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 1:08 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Depends on what you’re measuring.

        HEY-OOOOO!

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      • ZING! You nailed it.

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  8. Hmmm… ?

    I gotta confess. A girl with a slammin bod can compensate a lot for other physical deficits.

    *hangs head in shame*

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 10:03 am Hammer Of Love

      That’s rule number one my self effacing botha. A hot body always compensates for an average face. An hot face never compensates for an average body.

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      • bad skin though, for me there’s no overcoming it really. a mealy complexion, or frizzy hair, it grosses me out. so an average body topped by a face that really sells the sex, i’ll take it. by ‘average’ though i don’t mean american average, i mean nothing-outstanding-but-nothing-gross.

        i’m a face man.

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      • Which just highlights how incredibly lazy most American women are. Excess weight is completely within our control, facial structure not so much (without expensive surgery). We’re lucky to have control over a major component of sexual attraction, and yet so many women squander it

        I wonder if, over time, a hot body has become more important than a pretty face because of the obesity epidemic and the law of scarcity.

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      • You’re not white, either, are you?

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 8:26 pm Hammer of Love

        I’m probably whiter then you Matthew, being from the motherland continent and all.

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      • Fatherland, Hammer, fatherland.

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      • Knock it off white boys; I was talking about deaf girls. (and yes, some deaf girls can dance quite well!)

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      • A hot body always compensates for an average face. An hot face never compensates for an average body.

        Are you for real? I have the exact opposite opinion.

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      • Well, you have an interesting perspective, but I disagree. Body always trumps face.

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      • 9 face with 6 body is as good as reverse.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 5:34 pm Hammer of Love

        Maybe I didnt word that clearly enough, see omega_dork’s statement below.

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    • I gotta confess. A girl with a slammin bod can compensate a lot for other physical deficits.

      Translation: tit pics or gtfo.

      /seconded

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  9. on October 3, 2013 at 10:00 am Life at Calhoun's Lake

    Wanna play a game?

    Text ‘what day is it?’ to every skirt in your phonebook. See how many reply ‘It’s October 3rd!!!’

    Now you know what numbers to cull.

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  10. Pretty women are a dime a dozen. Pretty women that are worth a shit, well…

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    • ?
      Pretty women are about 10-15% of the total, consequently rather expensive.
      Any women that are worth a shit…..well…….(crickets)

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  11. Similar dynamic to: women first thing in the morning v women at their absolute best. The hotter she is (usually), the bigger the gap between her physical attractiveness grades. This could be as many as 4 grades out of 10.

    This is the attitude any man should hold when he sees an extremely cute / hot chick. He should approach her with the “average” of the 2 grades in mind. This will explain why many cute and hot women are seen with lesser looking men, as they hold desires to be better than him when at her best, but as close to him as possible when waking up.

    Men, in contrast (exception of hangovers), have negligible difference.

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    • “women first thing in the morning v women at their absolute best. The hotter she is (usually), the bigger the gap between her physical attractiveness grades. This could be as many as 4 grades out of 10.”

      Essentially, what you’re saying is correct, but I wouldn’t put the discrepancy at 4 points. It’s more like 2 when you see it in the flesh. Don’t forget, in pictures there is also Photoshop. In RL there is no Photoshop, there is just makeup skillfully applied, and hair curling irons to make hair luxurious. So 2 point discrepancy might be just about right.

      Another thing you’re right about – the hotter the girl, the hotter she looks after the “beautification process” lol.

      That said, also keep in mind there are almost nonexistent natural 10s. All gorgeous women have work done, which is why the most famous women in the world look a lot less alluring before dolling up. As long as a woman has good features and the right facial beauty ratios, that’s beautiful in my book. The paint is just to accentuate the features, and shouldn’t be something men fear. Women have been using makeup since ancient Egypt. A famous vixen like Cleopatra, for instance.

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      • My wife’s starting to hit the early stages of the wall now, but she was an 8 first thing in the morning, and an 8 out on the town. Your actually beautiful/attractive women, I’d say it’s really a point of difference, and that mostly clothes and posture/demeanor.

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      • “8 first thing in the morning” is very impressive. However, she should be 9 or 10 out on the town. Is she dolling up? Nothing wrong with it and it boosts confidence in the bedroom.

        I agree, “clothes and posture/demeanor” are very important. Nice clothes are a good investment, and posture is something every woman should be conscious of and improve – practice walking in heels and head held up straight. A couple of minutes a day make all the difference.

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      • I posted a pic with both of us in it below – all she ever uses is moisturizer and a little bit of lip balm. ymmv on whether she was really an 8 at time of photo (I’ll be curious as to your assessment, since objective/subjective is always in play), but that’s a pretty normal pic of her — I always think she looks *worse* in makeup, to be honest, even when done by somebody who knows his business.

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      • I don’t want to log into Google. Any other options?
        .

        “I always think she looks *worse* in makeup, to be honest, even when done by somebody who knows his business.”

        Sometimes, that could happen. Some skin just doesn’t take well to it. In that case, better go natural.

        Anyway, makeup is the last thing a woman should worry about. Better focus on hair and staying thin.

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      • Yeah, I understand a little googlephobia. Here ya go.

        http://happycrow.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/cherry-pie/

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      • 5. Wife goggles apparently add 3 points.

        I can see her being a 7 when younger/thinner. Makeup and a little weight loss could still get her to 6.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 8:35 am Toffee Hammer

        Not trying to be a jerk here, but not an objective 8. She probably was a 7 when you two met (and you liked some quirk which made her an 8–you love natural redheads, perhaps? Congrats, brother, so do I.)

        A man can carry marry a 9 and still think she’s a 9 after twenty years if she pops out his babies and stays loyal to him.

        Many husbands don’t like their wives in makeup (other than in a fetishistic context, like wearing heels to bed). In essence, what’s attractive in a wife and attractive on a slut are different things.

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      • The pic is very small, so I had to enlarge to see her better, which adds some distortion. Also, I can’t compare her to the beauty of women in their 20s because that wouldn’t be fair.

        With this in mind, the following is my honest assessment, which you asked me to give you.

        I think you are seeing her through the eyes of when you first met her, because you love her. I can tell you do, which is a great position to be in. When you first met her, she was an 8. She’s not an 8 now. However, this is inconsequential if you love her and you guys are happy together.

        She needs some improvements:
        1) She needs to lose some weight, and most importantly, she needs to work out.
        2) She needs a younger hairdo. A stylish haircut would help her look more hip. Long hair that she has to pull back is not interesting and not faltering to a woman her age.
        3) I don’t know if the reddish complexion is the pic’s effects, or her skin in RL. If it’s RL, blush won’t flatter before applying base first. I think it’s unnecessary. Her best bet is to go natural, as you said. A better thing to focus on is her pretty eyes. Bring out eyes with earth tone eye shadows and black mascara, and a bit of tinted lip-gloss to accent lips.

        I really think she’ll look great if she lost some weight and did something interesting with her hair. She needs a makeover. Every woman does after a certain age, as my mom says. She says, what worked in your 20s isn’t going to work in your 30s, and what worked in your 30s isn’t going to work in your 40s, and so on. I think she’s right. You too, need to let go of the way she used to look when younger, and be more realistic about her today. Your wife needs a bit of revamping, like all women do. If she wants to get a new hairdo or try some new makeup, or get a full makeover, encourage her; don’t talk her out of it because you’re stills seeing her through the eyes of when you first met her.

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      • Weird, it’s not letting me respond quite in line.
        Sure, I’ll cop to wife-goggles – she is working out more (but she’s keeping the hair b/c that’s how I like it, heh). 20s standards would be cruel, it’s been a LOOOOONG time since either of us saw our twenties!

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      • As long as you love her, and you do, so don’t deny it, lol, that’s the most important. She’s hot in your eyes, and that is the only thing that matters in the world. Keep her and enjoy her, and be happy together 🙂

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      • I was in a hurry on Friday, so I didn’t have time to mention a couple of things.

        I had a feeling you are the one who is keeping your wife from changing her style because you keep seeing her through the eyes of when you first met and how she looked then. While it’s wonderful and shows you have a deep love for her, you should be more adventurous and allow some changes as she gets older. You remind me so much of my dad, which is why I recognized your condition lol. He loves my mom so much. To him, she still looks the same gal he met years ago. He is oblivious to her aging. She tries to stay thin and youthful, but she‘s no 20-year old. He doesn’t care. He’s happy. They both are. This is why I said who cares if you have wife goggles. As long as you’re happy, it’s all that counts.

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      • (I’m the only guy she ever dated, so bedroom confidence more or less a non-issue, she’s trained up beautifully)

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      • Wow! You just confirmed for me why you love her so much. Usually, when a woman is a virgin and she marries her first love, the husband has a very deep love for her that can’t be broken, even if he has a mistress on the side. He’ll always feel like she belongs to him and only him. Even if it’s too archaic to admit, many men love virgins.

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  12. Bullshit. Complete Bullshit.

    All he’s done is found one example of a reasonably attractive face shape, then changed some not so attractive people’s faces to match it and they’ve gone from not so attractive, to reasonably attractive.

    If I were to take a bunch of pictures of average looking women, and then photoshop Kristen Bell’s face on top of them, and proclaim “Behold! Now they look better!!!” All that shows is that Kristen Bell is more attractive than average looking women, not that I’ve found some special secret to beauty.

    And I pick Kristen Bell because she’s no where near this ridiculous mask’s dimensions, yet she’s vastly more attractive than any of the examples they give.

    Utter bullshit.

    What makes a person beautiful is very complicated, and the formula would need a super computer to solve it, and even then it wouldn’t necessarily be correct, like trying to predict the weather.

    Until then, I’m going to keep photoshopping Kristen Bell’s face onto other peoples faces and claim I’m some kind of professor of beauty.

    Fucking golden ratio my ass.

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    • Most appropriate user name

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    • Err, you wrote a long rebuttal here but nothing you said presented a logical contradiction to the original post.

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      • You don’t “logically rebut” experimental evidence. You point out that the evidence is insufficient to rule out alternate possibilities.

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      • You don’t “logically rebut” experimental evidence. You point out that there are alternate reasons you could be getting the same outcome that haven’t been ruled out.
        This mask could be just one example of a reasonably attractive facial shape among many, and there could be more attractive facial shapes. The claim that he has discovered the ideal face shape, is far fetched to say the least, and looking at that picture, I don’t think she looks “ideal” at all. Better than she was, but that’s not exactly difficult.

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      • You don’t “logically rebut” experimental evidence. You point out that there are alternate reasons you could be getting the same outcome that haven’t been ruled out. This mask could be just one example of a reasonably attractive facial shape among many, and there could be more attractive facial shapes. The claim that he has discovered the ideal face shape, is far fetched to say the least, and looking at that picture, I don’t think she looks “ideal” at all. Better than she was but that’s not exactly difficult.

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      • You don’t “logically rebut” experimental evidence. You point out that there are alternate reasons you could be getting the same outcome that haven’t been ruled out.
        This mask could be just one example of a reasonably attractive facial shape among many, and there could be more attractive facial shapes. The claim that he has discovered the ideal face shape, is far fetched to say the least, and looking at that picture, I don’t think she looks “ideal” at all. Better than she was but that’s not exactly difficult.

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      • Don’t know what the fuck happened there. Those three anon’s were me as you can probably guess.

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    • Maybe not a formula for a perfect face but one for perfect proportions, which makes different faces look very appealing.

      Two super hot women will not look like sisters even less like twins yet both will have faces that fit very closely the formula for a beautifull face.

      Biology is – like everything in this universe – is numbers and formula.

      You think Mozart or the Beatles music is emotion, yes but it is mostly numbers and formula.

      Ever heard of Mandelbrot’s fractal? the man figured out the mathematical formula for what we perceive as chaos and randomness.

      even the way trees grow and flowers bloom is explained trough numbers and formulas.

      Google Mandelbrot Fractals, the cool video alone are worth it ( especially if you are high on something )

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 2:31 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        What’s more, these are generalizations. The Golden Ratio is what the majority of people find attractive—that doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions. Of course there are some people whose flaws make them more memorable and less generic. Ellen Barkin (when she was young) and Anjelica Huston (when she was young) are both examples. Adrien Brody on the men’s side.

        But just because there are exceptions that prove* the rule, doesn’t mean there isn’t a rule.

        *BTW, “prove” in this context means “test,” not “authenticate.” Pet peeve of mine.

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      • I would not deny that there are rules one can follow such as harmony that help make pleasant music. But no one would claim to have made the perfect piece of music, and people have different tastes in music. And makes music good vs bad is till largely mysterious to us. I personally don’t get why anyone likes the Beatles – they’re shit.

        And Mandelbrot’s fractal is not “the mathematical formula for what we perceive as chaos and randomness”. It’s a fractal which happens to look a bit random. The interesting thing about it from an aesthetic point of view is that it is not at all random but it looks random-ish to us. You want to know what else looks random to the human mind? – Actual randomness.

        Plus you are talking to a physicist, you don’t need to tell me you can describe things with numbers. But some things are fucking hard/nearly impossible to do – like the weather/climate. The human brain and it’s various nuances is probably the most complicated thing we know of, no one has solved any aspect of the human brain with numerical accuracy and if they claim they have they are lying.

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      • Absolutely not Master Beta. Look up Dr. Piers Corbyn. This is your dumb weather comment.

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      • The same Dr. Piers Corbyn who tries and fails to predict the weather?

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      • Congratulations MB. You are a scientist who is not obsessive-compulsive. Those who are OC dislike things they cannot control, such as one’s response to a woman which cannot be explained.

        The experience, which I bet all adults here have had, of a friend thinking Chick A is hot when YOUR reaction is “so-so” or “Are you KIDDING?” provides many millions of counterexamples, disproving the implied thesis of the article.

        The article implies there is a universal EFFECTIVE beauty. If things were like this, all men on the planet would idolize one woman. This is so completely untrue from billions of conversations we’ve all see it’s a shit theses. It’s the refuge of the OC.

        The important thing is not whether IN THE ABSTRACT of CH’s masturbatorium, there is ideal beauty.

        The important thing is when you walk to the grocery store and are struck by magic when seeing a woman’s face. This could be called “effective beauty” rather than “OC Masturbator Ideal Beauty.”

        Effective beauty is the only relevant one to our lives, and as mentioned with the weather, there are so many variables that change so quickly that the overall effect is like magic, and thankfully so.

        Only in the OC, racist masturbator world is everything reducible and clear, to the point you convince yourself to go murder millions for your “perfect” abstract ideal.

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    • CanadianFriend beat me to it. It’s all about proportions, which are either pleasant or discomforting, depending on how they’re applied. There are a few women out there who are non-optimal in terms of physical make-up and are still beautiful (or held to be beautiful, or valued for their slightly off-kilter appearance and considered memorable, like models) but there aren’t many. This is why, I think, all women in Hollywood basically look the same. There’s only one type of woman who’s objectively beautiful.

      What makes a person *attractive* to another person, in the literal sense of the word, is what I think you’re talking about.

      It’s the difference between listening to Beethoven’s Fifth and the Dark Knight soundtrack. You respond to it on a visceral level, subconscious level. Beethoven’s Fifth is objectively more beautiful in every sense, while the Dark Knight soundtrack is intentionally breaking the rules for specific, discordant effect. You might enjoy the latter more than the former – ie, it’s more attractive to you – but there’s no arguing that because the former is more technically correct, it’s more pleasant to listen to.

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      • “This is why, I think, all women in Hollywood basically look the same.”

        There’s another, more obvious, reason why the women of today’s Hollywood look alike.

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      • Everyone in Hollywood is a product who’s being sold to the masses; conventionally pretty is a fair easier sell than, idk, somebody like Helena Bonham Carter. Or they’re all getting plastic surgery to look the same. Either way, comes down to the same thing.

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      • Not what I’m talking about. Hint: what do Jennifer Connelly and Chris Pine share with CH commenter Lily?

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    • “What makes a person beautiful is very complicated…” says a herd ego defense.

      oh sheesh. any other feminine rationalizations today? it’s like you can’t help it…

      serious question…are you a chick? like pure emotion with no logical buttress to your words or views.

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  13. on October 3, 2013 at 10:56 am Subarctic Hillbilly

    Agree about the slamming body. Just the other day I was following this tall blonde into the bank. How many women can make hospital scrubs look sexy? Precious few. Her WHR was perfect – and her ass swayed with juicy grace. I was mesmerized. I wanted to wrap my hands around her narrow waist, bend her over and have at it.

    Until she turned around in line to smile at me. I hope she didn’t see the shuddering look of alarmed revulsion on my face. She looked like John Elway’s ugly kid sister – or ill-begotten love child of Joni Mitchell and Tom Petty.

    But you what the second thought that went through my mind? You horny fuckers probably do know. Yes, I don’t care how ugly she was. I’d still hit that.

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  14. Bet Master “Bates” Beta is an ugly dude too.

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  15. Yet I know people who insist “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” as if it’s gospel that can not even be challenged.

    Most people are too laughable.

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    • “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is lefty crap. Beauty is definitely universal. Men across cultures respond to the same “type of female beauty”

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  16. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10171806/Why-has-someone-set-up-a-club-night-for-fat-women-in-London.html

    Jesus, a club night for the undateable. As usual, the guys who couldn’t pull elsewhere are out in force.

    Someone really needs to kill the fat acceptance movement

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    • Wow, even their teeth are fat. And the saddest thing about it is, every single woman pictured in that article would at least be reasonably cute (if not outright beautiful) at a normal weight.

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    • There’s a dern good reason European women go to the U.K. to get husbands.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 3:55 am Hugh G. Rection

        Is that a thing?

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      • It seems to be pretty common, and given the abysmal quality of British Isles women, they are fully justified in seeing it as a turkey shoot. I know personally an Italian girl and a Slovak girl — both definitely bangable — who have done so.

        Only reason it’s not as noticed is that they’re ostensibly going there “just for work” — even though the U.K. is kind of a crappy place to find work — and it’s not as stigmatized as men going to Ukraine to get wives.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 11:51 am gunslingergregi

      do us all a favor and don’t have kids with the bitch

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    • Actually, it’s brilliant. It brings all the fat, ugly moths to one flame which means they won’t be flitting around, defending the pretty moths as lipid-engorged cock-blocks.

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    • I wish I had known about this when I organised my mate’s stag do. It would have been prefect preparation for marriage.

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  17. Major improvement there

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  18. OT Rebecca Shuttleworth – the reason vile manjawed dykes should be banned from adopting. But leftoids support perverts adopting AND getting IVF.

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  19. What’s the point when we all will age at some early point in our lives? It’s just fucking ridiculous with all these cosmetic crap!

    http://kennyspuathoughts.com/

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    • Stop falling into that liberal trap, of “we all age, so what’s the point?”. We all age, but who says we have to succumb to looking ugly or to aging before our time? I am sure, “we all age, so what’s the point?,” is often on the lips of many a drunk/smoke inhaling/fat slob.

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    • Don’t eat, cause eventually the food you eat today will spoil tomorrow.

      And don’t buy flowers, cause they’ll wilt.

      Why even bother building houses and roads. Cause they will be destroyed one day as well.

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    • We’ll also die. Why not get it over with?

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  20. So the rhetorical question is…

    If every woman had the beauty mask put on their face…would they cease to be beautiful?

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    • It’s not rhetorical. The answer is no, they wouldn’t. Every iPhone is exactly the same and it’s beautiful. A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.

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    • No. And if every woman had an ideal hourglass figure, they would not cease to be sexually attractive either. One’s individual response to these cues may be conditioned -meaning that as scarcity decreases, the effect of the stimulus will decrease- but the nature of the underlying stimulus does not thereby change.

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    • on October 3, 2013 at 12:54 pm Hammer Of Love

      No, but the parameters of what is beautiful and exotic would shift. I dont think being blond in Sweden elicits the same response, for a girl, as being blond in the USA.

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    • If every woman was beautiful, there would be peace on earth, as there would not be angry men anymore.

      I meant this as a joke but once I was done typing…I thought; maybe I am on to something?

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      • on October 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm Carlos Danger

        It doesn’t work in Ukraine, where most women are beautiful. People just adjust their standards upwards.

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    • “People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great.” ~ Nobel Laureate James Watson

      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3451#.Uk3JHOBimCY

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 8:38 am Toffee Hammer

      To men, no. We aspire to absolute standards of beauty. The fact other women exist who are more beautiful than my girlfriend doesn’t bother me 24/7.

      To women, yes. Women generally define things in terms of relationships, and they define their own beauty in contract to other women. Thus, even very beautiful girls expend great deals of anxiety on the notion they “aren’t pretty enough”, as if 3.5 billion women can all be more beautiful than one another.

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  21. Anyone else think that it’s kind of sad that the only way to be fearless in any relationship with a woman, is to have at least a few other women to turn to in case of things going south?

    What’s the path forward? Never committing to a relationship? Getting married but keeping a healthy sex life on the side?

    It’s kind of disillusioning.

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  22. […] From Heartiste: the Beauty Ratio. […]

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  23. The Mask gets the chin all wrong – way too pronounced post-processing.
    The mid-face too is too stretched – including the nose.
    Despite these flaws, the Mask does feminize the original’s face.
    Having said that, shown a little charm and a drink, I can imagine the original to be quite energetic in the sack, and a lot less high-maintenance.

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  24. on October 3, 2013 at 12:33 pm Mr. Mxtpklqiyiy

    Is that Bizarro’s girlfriend in the middle.

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  25. http://research.wayne.edu/communications/news-release.php?id=196

    More testosterone=more success with wooing women. (Get out there and lift!)

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  26. LOL!!
    The left pic looks more edited and unreal than the one in the right!

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  27. […] many of youz do not know this but BEN BERNAnKE originally […]

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  28. There were even a few shows on Discovery, TLC and NatGeo about this.

    Even babies will put all their attention on faces that follow the general symmetry + phi-mask trend significantly more than they will less-symmetrical ones.

    The list for women included: protruding forehead, larger upper face than lower, full Cupid’s bow upper lip, chubby convexities esp. cheeks, soft jaw, large eyes, etc.

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  29. My favorite neg that I originated:

    Me: You seem considerably smarter than the average chick
    Her: Aww, thanks *blushes*
    Me: Wasn’t a compliment

    You gotta keep a total poker face for the last line.

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  30. CH,

    http://shelbysells.com/2013/09/30/interview-series-max-landis/

    This is a fascinating interview when read through the context of Game.

    thoughts on booty calls?

    i’ve been ‘fuck-zoned’ by a couple of chicks. i’ve been ‘fuck-zoned’ more than i have been ‘friend-zoned’, i don’t know what that says about me. booty calls for me are a dream. i hate when chicks aren’t real about it, that really bothers me.

    what do you mean by ‘not real’ like not accepting that it’s a booty call?

    yea. also chicks who are booty calling you trying to act like ‘let’s get drinks’ etc. or refusing to be straight up. they’ll text you at like 1am and be like ‘what you doin? where you at? sup?’ and it’s like i’m probably at home or out drunk somewhere, probably horny looking for you haha. so why is it always just games?

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    • for example, extras on my set would just throw it at me hard in a way that i’ve never experienced. i mean everyone’s had that thing where you’re like making eye contact with someone at a party and you it’s on, but this was different than that. this was chicks coming up to me and being like ‘what’re you doing at lunch? i’ll come to your trailer!’ and i was like ‘i don’t know who the fuck you are!’ my experience of chicks throwing themselves at you like that – they’re always fucking crazy. no chick worth hooking up with is going to throw it at you because it means they’re crazy. i gave this girl my number – i was really stupid – because i was like why not? maybe i’ll hook her up with one of my friends.,

      ….

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 8:44 am Toffee Hammer

      This is a common frustration to guys who learn game who are accustomed to being beta orbiters: women who want to fuck you don’t really want to be friends with you.

      I haven’t really had a female friend to have long conversations with in years (the occasional lesbian here and there excepted). Nature doesn’t want you wiling away your time taking long walks on the beach talking about your feelings; you’re a man, and you’re supposed to be off doing useful things, not entertaining women (who are insatiable anyway).

      When a boyfriend spends too much time with his girlfriend, they start arguing. The solution is staring you right in the face (leave and go find something else to do).

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      • “women who want to fuck you don’t really want to be friends with you.“

        “When a boyfriend spends too much time with his girlfriend, they start arguing.”

        That’s 100% true. In the old days, men didn’t spend a lot of much time with their wives. In fact, one of the advice men used to give each other about marriage, was not to engage a wife too long in conversation. The husband used to do his own thing, and she had her own life/duties/interests to attend to. They weren’t “best friends”.

        There should be a mystery there and not too much familiarity with each other to keep the sexual fantasy going. The less familiar you are and less comfortable with each other, the more sexual the relationship is. Hence, I hate men who say their wives are their best friends. Talk about lefty egalitarian mambo jumbo. You’re wife is not your buddy. If she acts too much like your buddy, it means she isn’t sexy enough. The obliteration of male-female differences and the artificial equality imposed by the current culture has destroyed real romance.

        That’s why I don’t understand couples that work and spend all day together. Talk about a romance killer.

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  31. Where does male physical beauty (sorry guys, I don’t know another word for it) fall in such an analysis? Do we care about that, or is it negated by other factors?

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    • Cynthia, I’d say it’s so tied into a slew of other factors that it would be exceptionally difficult to define, and even more dependent on clothes/posture/etc (subtle indications of money), than with women, because gals’ attractiveness assessment is so context-laden. I got more ass than a bus-stop bench as a single guy, but it’s not because of beauty per se. I’m good-looking, but not hot-model good looking, and if I’m preoccupied and let myself go b/c I’m deep in my nerdy shit for a couple weeks, I look downright goofy.

      This one’s a couple years old, but the goofy is strong within it.

      https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?tab=wq#photos?pid=5218631637241870242&oid=114688243837662214219

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      • (less vague: gals’ assessment of male attractiveness)

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      • Oh yeah, I fully understand that men’s attractiveness to women is fueled by many other factors, beyond the physical. I guess I’m just wondering what kind of objective metric we’d apply to men.

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      • You don’t, that’s the point. Women are *not* objective in their attraction to men, but heavily context-dependent, and thus attempting to create an objective standard will always veer away from reality.

        Now, one can talk about the degree to which a guy is a real mensch, but that’s discussing the degree to which one guy respects another guy — a totally different critter.

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    • Male beauty isn’t the same.

      First, there is no such thing as male beauty. There’s masculinity, but not beauty.

      Second, since it’s about masculinity and not beauty, it suffice for a man to be tall and muscular while having a somewhat appealing face in the masculine sense.

      Third, beauty has been invented for women. Without the female sex, beauty wouldn’t be around, or even needed. Even the ancient Greeks who worshipped male beauty and were very homoerotic, and which the 3rd Reich echoed in its art, couldn’t keep that concept a live for long. Men are just not beautiful, never meant to be. Beauty is the domain of women. Masculinity (sexuality) the domain of men.

      Fourth, as Russ said, attitude counts too. A masculine disposition does wonders to average-looking men of average height, which means that a 5-9/5-10 with the right attitude could be very appealing to women.

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      • Adonis was the most handsome.

        But I dont like very handsome men

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      • Nobody cares what you think. You don’t think.

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      • Yeah, like I said, I know “beauty” is the wrong word, but “attractiveness” encompasses too many things. I was referring to raw physical appearance, which I would agree, is but one of many things that make a man attractive.

        (there are gender-neutral terms in other languages; we break it apart in English in this manner and therefore implications follow. Telling, in and of itself, maybe, that we assign a purely physical dimension to a woman’s sexual appeal and don’t necessarily do the same for men. Not saying it’s wrong, but it’s very indicative of the way we traditionally think about these things)

        I’d say, though, you’re dealing in two different things here. “Beauty”, in this context, is all about appearance. Changing that woman’s face does not make her personality more feminine. “Masculinity” is more about attitude, and is influenced only minimally by raw genetics, at least on the surface. A man can be physically masculine and still not embody that quality in his personality.

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      • Or, as a thought exercise, what is the correct proportion of the male soul, as held up as the single most important factor he is ascribed, as a woman’s beauty is to her?

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 5:36 am The Burninator

        Sounds about right Lily. As gruff and arrogant as I can be at times, I do wonder when looking in the mirror what women see in me, that I’ll get at least a couple of cold approaches from them in a week. I see a man that looks rather warrior/battle scary in the right context, but they seem to see something entirely different. I know that logically it’s that I’m tall (6’3″), muscular, stand straight, emulate a combination of two “sexy” types (cowboy/biker) and generally “command a room” as I was told by one of them (or another fave I’ve gotten from quite a few women; I look “intimidating”, whatever the hell that means). Still, at night when I’m at home I’m basically like “really?”. My face isn’t ugly, I have a very direct, hard look/stare, but I’m no Brad Pitt or Cloney, that’s much is clear.

        Ain’t a Greek statue dedicated to me, that much is certain, so yeah, the entire “beautiful male” thing is bunkum right from the start, as you mention. Clearly women are responding to something else entirely.

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      • What women see in you? This:

        “I’m tall (6’3″), muscular, stand straight, emulate a combination of two “sexy” types (cowboy/biker) and generally “command a room,” and, believe it or not, this too, “I look “intimidating.”

        LOL. No mystery there! I would have been all over you, too 🙂 No. Just kidding. I’m not aggressive at all. I like men to approach me. I don’t advertise how I feel, so you wouldn’t be sure what I thought of you. You’d have to do some work, lol.

        In any case, if this is how you really look, it’s a female magnet, especially the “intimidating” part.

        What does intimidating mean? Women like a bit of danger in a man. They don’t want safe men – those only make good buddies. They want intimidating/danger-radiating men because that is a cue to masculinity and sexual aggressiveness, and this is the attitude I was talking about above which could even make an average-height man intriguing.
        .

        “My face isn’t ugly, I have a very direct, hard look/stare, but I’m no Brad Pitt or Cloney, that’s much is clear.”

        Haha! You don’t have to be; that’s the point. Besides, both of these actors, especially Pitt, is too boyish looking – he doesn’t ooze sexuality. Clooney, is not boyish looking, but he’s such a liberal in his personal life, he is a turn off. Their female fans fell in love with the characters they play. Not them, if they knew them in RL. You’re masculine; you’re not a pretty boy – it’s what women gravitate to. I think it’s why you get propositioned so much.

        Adonis-looking men is a homosexual thing. Haha! It’s funny, I don’t think Adonis had a lot of female fans throughout history, despite his nude depictions. Women love masculinity. The Greeks didn’t understand female sexuality. They viewed it through their own homosexual ideals.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 2:13 pm The Burninator

        Thanks Lily. Good explanation on “intimidating” as well.

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      • As a man, I found your post an interesting insight into the female mind. thanks for adding value.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 6:08 am Carlos Danger

        The Greeks would disagree. They had very defined ideas of what constituted male and female beauty.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 6:25 am The Burninator

        Looks like somebody didn’t read Lily’s post that I was responding to, she already mentioned them. The Greeks were quite into bisexuality/homosexuality as a cultural norm, I doubt you want to use them as an example of what gets women’s juices flowing.

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      • Your reply is spot on. But there is a nuance to Carlos’ comment that is deeply seated in his psyche, which I understand, all too well. Unfortunately!

        His comment has a tinge of anger in it because he feels that I am trashing the ancient Greeks (supposedly, an Aryan race) for being homosexuals, a known fact. In his warped mind, only the Jews should be implicated in homosexuality.

        @Carlos – last time I checked, prohibition on homosexuality (which the West adopted) came from Leviticus.

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      • I have to disagree.

        Have you ever seen a male face in a crowd that was so stunnungly perfect you can hardly force youself to take your eyes off him, so overwhelming is his beauty?. There must be a beauty algorithm we all have hardwired into our brains that explains such a strong reaction. The ancient greeks were onto something, so too were renaissance artists.

        Sometimes i google image pix of goodlooking people, both male and female. (Female here). It never fails to improve my mood.

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      • Maybe, male beauty isn’t the right word for it. Maybe, handsome is a better word. Good-looking men (and women) definitely put women in a good mood. However, what if you discover that this good-looking guy was gay, would you look at him through the same eyes? I doubt it. He wouldn’t interest you as much/any longer. Therefore, dominant attitude and masculinity are by far a better indicator of desirable male looks than handsomeness is. Pretty boy like Brad Pitt just doesn’t do it as much as more masculine men do. And, pretty boy doesn’t put you in a good mood either. Maybe handsome masculinity does, which you mistake for beautiful, but not pretty boy. This is another reason why women prefer older men – as they ooze masculinity that much younger men don’t.

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    • cynthia, there’s a marquardt mask for males as well as females:


      [the red overlay being the male, the black being the female].

      The analysis done in this link (http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=42391) suggests that guys can be ‘beautiful’ (physically attractive) if parts of their face conform to EITHER of the male/female masks. HOWEVER, guys conforming to the red overlay are seen as more masculine, and guys conforming to the black, more feminine.

      Based on that, I would hazard a guess that it’s having the ideal (golden-ratio) facial proportions that will give the ‘perfect male beauty’ you’re after. Although, it’s my personal opinion that we don’t always seek out ‘perfect’ if we’re particularly deficient in some area(s).

      Also, probably worth bearing in mind the correlation between testosterone and increased immunity to diseases: (http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/women-are-attracted-men-with-healthy-faces/). Hence, more dense facial hair due to higher levels of testosterone is probably another indicator of increased survivability.

      Onto the body…anything that implies increased survivability is likely to lead to higher subliminal level of attractiveness for the woman. I would suggest:
      >waist-to-hip ratio of 0.9
      >shoulder-to-waist ratio of 1.6
      (these recommendations can be found from this really interesting page: http://www.electricphysique.com/perfect-male-body.html)

      I would also personally say that there is also a perfect angle for how the top of the trapezius joins to the shoulder, and the angle at which the latissimus dorsi flares out from the torso (frontal view). I haven’t determined the angle which I think is best yet, but I should imagine it’s linked to the golden ratio – a good example is here:

      In summary, as a metric for guys with a high level of physical attractiveness, then I would suggest:
      > a face adhering to the golden ratio proportions
      > masculine facial features and probably dense facial hair
      > clear definition between the different muscle groups
      > a waist-to-hip ratio of 0.9 and a shoulder-to-waist ratio of 1.6.

      Wouldn’t have thought this is particularly useful for women though, as men weight physical attractiveness far higher in the evaluation process anyway.

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  32. What is weird is I would consider the first picture more neotenous than the last. Perhaps symmetry trumps neoteny?

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  33. I like the one in the middle. She looks DTF.

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  34. OT: CH, are you planning to use the conversation I sent you?

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  35. Becoming more aware of the mathematical structures inseparable from esthetic beauty/pleasure serve to extinguish ones appreciation of it. Or it might increase ones appreciation and respect for the meaning of mathematical structures.

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    • ” … Becoming more aware of the mathematical structures inseparable from esthetic beauty/pleasure serve to extinguish ones appreciation of it. Or it might increase ones appreciation and respect for the meaning of mathematical structures…. ”

      I suppose for some it may do that, but in my case it increases my appreciation of both female beauty and mathematical structures

      for what that was worth ( hell I can’t sleep so I am passing the time posting here )

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 8:47 am Toffee Hammer

      Few things are as beautiful as math; attend a good lecture sometime, or befriend mathematicians who need someone to talk to. I could, frankly, listen to them for hours about, say, Jacobian elliptic functions.

      Women aren’t really “beautiful” in an esoteric sense; they’re just desirable to us the same way that the smell of a dog in heat is desirable to a sire.

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  36. -might serve to extinguish ones…

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  37. Rum, no man worthy of his own balls ever fears knowledge or its consequences.

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  38. When a thing that appears to be complex becomes explainable by a thing that appears to be simple – not as much has changed as first appears.

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  39. Might have been posted already but heh, wonder what peeps think of this:

    http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/02/groom-proposes-to-and-marries-girlfriend-on-same-day-using-her-pinterest-page-4132310/?ITO=news-sitemap

    Romantic Ryan Leak made sure his wedding to Amanda Roman was the social event of the year.

    The 27-year-old proposed and married his partner on the same day after secretly planning their wedding using her ideas on photo-sharing website Pinterest.

    She ‘repinned’ more than 220 images on a page called ‘My Dream Wedding’…

    Amanda said: ‘I never thought I would be able to pull off some of the things I saw on Pinterest. Ryan is a risk-taker and didn’t settle for my watered down version of my “dream wedding” – he went for the gusto.’”

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  40. on October 3, 2013 at 5:49 pm Imperial Leather

    OT

    Best Divorce letter ever

    http://imgur.com/r/WTF/85Hjrm2

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  41. Careful. You’re not allowed to call anyone beautiful. It’s insulting, or something, according to CNN anchors. And I’m sure she was just hired for her brains. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/03/todd-rokita-carol-costello-cnn-beautiful_n_4036782.html

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  42. WTF if with your commenters putting up crap youtube videos that we all see at the gym or in diners.

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  43. Cynthia
    There is an objective measure of a mans attractiveness. It is the attractiveness of the women who authentically want, or can be induced to want, to wrap their vulvar lips around his throbbing tower of joy.

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    • That’s not objective. Anything that is wholly dependent on an individual’s opinion is, by its very nature, subjective.

      I’m asking about the intrinsic, baseline, single, innate, unalterable quality that defines a man as a “correct” specimen of the gender, separate from sexual attraction.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 5:42 am The Burninator

        Let me float a guess: genetic health.

        The more he looks like he could survive by single handedly clubbing sabre toothed tigers with a stick and tearing out their hearts to celebrate in triumph in a cold, harsh Ice Age world, the better the chances are that lots of chicks are going to dig his action.

        Like I said, just a random shot in the dark.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 6:03 am The Burninator

        To clarify my answer, I don’t mean somebody has to look like the 32 year old Ahnold, rather, he has to have the demeanor of, for lack of a better description, somebody who could and would turn to killing the instant his survival was in jeopardy, combined with just enough symmetry of facial features that he isn’t bone ugly. He doesn’t have to look angry or mean, rather like somebody who could get that way real fast when life was on the line. Paul Newman had the look, you could easily see him narrowing his eyes and staring down a cave bear until the bear died on the spot yet he was no staggering example of muscularity. It helps, but the actual thought I was going for was having an “inner killer” that she knows could ignite and (in theory) work to her advantage and to the advantage of any kids she spawned with him if she were lucky enough to be granted the privilege to be in his Ice Age harem.

        Examples (at the height of their popularity):

        Sean Connery
        Paul Newman (already mentioned)
        Clint Eastwood
        Humphrey Bogart
        Clarke Gable
        Frank Sinatra
        Vin Diesel
        Harrison Ford
        Ahnold (for better or worse)
        Pre-boxing Mickey Roarke
        The bulk of the male cast of Sin City
        etc.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 8:46 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Well, there are good-looking guys, and there are guys I’m attracted to. There’s an intersection in that Venn diagram, but it’s a lot smaller than you might think. I’ve been in the presence of men with movie-star looks…I enjoyed looking at them, but it was the same way I enjoy looking at the Statue of David. There was no visceral response. That tends to happen a lot with gay men and men of other races. (This is CH so I’m not going to bother with the “But I’m not racist!” bit. I may not be a racist, but my libido is.) It’s like, this is a beautiful person, but he is not an appropriate target.

        The most powerful physical response that I’ve had to a man recently was an Iraq war vet 10 years my senior who had gotten blown up by an IED. Had a big old titanium plate in his skull, burn scars, one fake eye.

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      • No matter how good looking a gay man is, I’m incapable of feeling any sexual attraction to him.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 12:05 pm The Burninator

        That basically confirms my thoughts on the matter. There are other guys in the world who are, looks wise, at the level of a Pitt, but they lack the social status and many times seem to be alone or with a fugly (as has been noted on an article or two here or at Rossi’s site). Not that all women naturally go for the true-alpha masculine types (there may be 5 to 10 in the world who might not), but it seems like the vast majority would at least prefer that type, even if they can’t find or obtain one. It’s why the pseudo-metrosexual vibe the PUA’s are advocating confuses me. Sure, with hard study of techniques and dressing nicely they get chicks, but if a hardass true-alpha (natural) masculine type, whose behavior they’re trying to learn to ape, which comes to him naturally, even winks sideways at their dates they’ll lose them. They “gotta learn the techniques” PUA types are second tier to what most women deep down desire, I hypothesize. Kind of like being the cutest girl next door will get you lots of guys if you dress sexy and act a certain way, but the guy will drop you in a heartbeat if Jessica Alba walks over and starts rubbing his cock on the dance floor. Sure, you beat all of the mediocrities and worse, and even most of the other cuties that most guys mistakenly think of as 8’s (“a solid HB 8!”), but the “what I want to fuck” factor cannot be discounted when that ultimate want type woman (or man) saunters by and gives you the eye. Nature doesn’t allow that. Nature selects for the very best chances of survival whenever possible, settling only for “hey, I reproduced, I guess that will work for now” when necessary. Hence hypergamy AND male polygamous tendencies.

        Everybody’s fucking, but not everybody is fucking who they want to fuck,deep down in their hearts. Hence the whole alpha/beta/omega scale invented for the sake of easy labeling. And to be quite direct about this, after reading this and many other manosphere/pua blogs, it seems to me that a lot of “alphas” are really guys who were/are beta/omega and had to learn it like a script, who then revert to “beta” territory the moment they get their dick wet by “the perfect girl! A solid HB 9!”. Not too many true-alphas around, even here.

        This is all of course just my one off take on the situation and in no way represents the way reality may really work, it’s just what I see in day to day activities. Anecdotal at best. YMMV. Restrictions and rules might apply, consult local laws.

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      • If you boiled that downtown something like posture/bearing, I can completely see that being an accurate measure. Some physical attribute that equates to survivability, along the lines of how a woman’s looks equate to reproductive potential.

        But like I said, it’s just a question.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 8:54 am Toffee Hammer

      Women’s minds are subjective. If we define men’s attractiveness as their attractiveness to women, then by definition a man’s attractiveness is subjective.

      It all makes crystal-clear sense when you realies that women need to feel like objects; the man becomes a subject because he is active in conquering a passive creature. We really shouldn’t talk about an “attractive man”; women are attractive. Men conquer. We could discuss “what makes a conquering man”, but the answer is easy: men who go out and conquer.

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      • I often hear women using the word “handsome” to describe good looking men, and when you read the definition it all makes sense and supports what some of us are saying, that for men it ain’t exactly ” beauty” that makes them attractive to women and that good looks is a “mathematical” thing,

        ” …
        hand·some

        1.
        having an attractive, well-proportioned, and imposing appearance suggestive of health and strength;…
        2.
        having pleasing proportions, … ”

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      • “It all makes crystal-clear sense when you realies that women need to feel like objects”

        Women love to feel like objects, but not many will admit it in this feminist society, which has vilified men turning women into objects. LOL, women are already objects without men doing much in that department.

        The moment a woman wants to be pursued and conquered, she has implied about herself that she’s an object to be pursued and conquered.

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      • on October 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm Toffee Hammer

        The core problem really comes down to this: few dads want their daughters to be objects, and dads tend to know exactly what this “object” word means.

        I’m not really sure what framework there is to solve this besides rigid patriarchy.

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      • “and dads tend to know exactly what this “object” word means.
        I’m not really sure what framework there is to solve this besides rigid patriarchy.”

        Indeed! However, dads shouldn’t stand in their daughter’s way when they’re the sex objects of a husband. Women love to be owned. Can a father object to his daughter’s ownership by her husband whom she loves and loves her back? That’s the way to solve this. Absent being the sex object and property within a loving marriage, this indeed isn’t good and fathers are right. What father wants his daughter whoring herself or objectifying herself to many men?

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  44. Need some texting game help fellas. I’ve been trying to escalate text game with this model who’s number I reeled in, but every time I ask her a question, she plays the no answer game. Example:

    Me: Hey Cat what are you up to this week
    Her: Hey what’s up!
    Her: Just working most of the week
    Me: Gettin pumped for the breaking bad finale
    Me: What are you up to mañana?

    (Next day)
    Her: Hey sorry I’ve been working all day. How was breaking bad?
    Me: Dude it was siiick. ….(stuff about our class, she responds, then:)
    Me: What are you up to tomorrow?

    (Nothing)

    (3 days later)
    Me: Hey you missed a ridiculous class today
    Her: Omg how was it? What did I miss?
    Me-her: blah blah (like 20 texts about class)
    Me: So what were you doing tonight anyway
    Her: (more comments about class, ignores question).

    Thoughts, anyone?

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    • I’m a n00b at text game, but I have learned that asking questions is bad and makes you appear weak. Some guys talk about telling her to meet you at such and such a place at a given time, although I haven’t been able to pull that off yet. YaReally should be able to provide better details as to what to do under these conditions.

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    • She doesn’t sound interested, bro.

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    • Welcome to the Friendzone. Please, make yourself comfortable. You’ll be here a while.

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    • She is not playing no answer game, you are playing beta orbiter game. It’s too late, you’ve already been friendzoned. Cut off all contact for a few weeks and then re-initiate. Tease and keep it short. Don’t ask questions – give commands. Be the alpha cad she wanted you to be. Failure is likely since you’re already in the friendzone, but for future reference, just do the exact opposite of what you are doing now.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 4:47 am Cad and Bounder

      Stop texting her. Go out and get some more leads. Three-four weeks later, assemble the leads that are not being compliant (she is one of them) and then mass text them with the one word ‘tonight?’.

      Delete any number that doesn’t text you back. Follow up with the ones that do a few days later with ‘Wednesday 9:15 at X’. Delete any that don’t text back suggesting an alternative date. Make a gut-shot call on who to date or who needs a ‘warm-up’ flake. Date. Bang.

      Chicks aren’t stupid, nor are they sugar and spice and all things nice. She knows you want to fuck her.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 5:00 am gunslingergregi

      that’s me fucking up right there

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 8:47 am leavesarefalling

      “getting pumped for the breaking bad finale”.

      Getting pumped in the ass, maybe. B/c that’s how gay this sounded.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 8:57 am Toffee Hammer

      Stop asking questions–do you really care what a woman’s opinion is?

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 12:12 pm The Burninator

      You’re not going to like this.

      Texting is for pussies. If you’re not there in her view, presenting yourself for the masculine stud muffin you want to be, then you’re nothing more than yet another stream of digital text that floats by on her phone at a rate of 200wpm.

      Texting, Facebook, Twitter, the entire social media phenomenon is little more than a female compliment echo chamber, where she obtains her “validation” as the greatest person who has ever lived on a minute by minute basis.

      Show up at her door or call her on the phone and suddenly you’re not a stream of binary bits any longer, you’re real, you have a presences, you can command her attention.

      Why men get sucked into the wholly effeminate “text game” is a wonder. It’s set up with the odds strongly against men. Break the mold and be the guy she has to size up face to face.

      That is all.

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      • Yeah, I also prefer calling. I’ve met up with girls that way many times. But texting? Never.

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      • Why men get sucked into the wholly effeminate “text game” is a wonder. It’s set up with the odds strongly against men. Break the mold and be the guy she has to size up face to face.

        If you can get an 18-21 y/o girl who you haven’t fucked yet to pick up the phone, mad props. But I don’t think you can.

        I can’t, but I want to fuck them, so texting it is.

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      • Agreed. I’ve yet to find a girl 18-24 that picks up the phone when you call. Even after you’ve banged it weirds some of them out.

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  45. Cynthia
    Let me try again…
    The hip to waist ratio of a fertile female that in real life would volunteer to fook an attractive man is not a matter of subjective evaluation. It can be measured precisely out to several decimal places. Yeah. And…
    The symmetry and perkiness of the naked, exposed, tits of a female human is, like, 10 times more an important fact important than anything you can possibly imagine.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 9:06 am Toffee Hammer

      Which is why civilisation goes to great effort to conceal the female breasts, and especially the nipples. Naked breasts reveal if a woman has borne children; the nipples become dark coloured, and the ligaments become stretched and torn. Women wear brassieres in order to emulate the appearance of young women who have not become either obese or pregnant. Nipples also telegraph sexual arousal; it’s pretty easy to know if your “game” is working if your object’s nipples turn on like a set of HID highbeams.

      (I’m being a bit ethnocentric here; cultures that have been very dark skinned for millenia usually don’t try to conceal the female breast to the degree ours does, since there is no advantage to such women to doing so.)

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      • Next time a man ask me how many kids I have, I’m just going to take off my bra and let him guess.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 9:40 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Highbeams aren’t always about arousal—in fact, most of the time, they’re not. This fact has been brought to you by the aggressive air conditioning in my office.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 9:57 am Toffee Hammer

        Highbeams are definitely about arousal on hot, summer nights without air conditioning. I don’t look for women to date in offices, so your aggressive office air conditioning is irrelevant.

        It’s cute how you ladies make everything about yourselves and your current personal situation.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 10:58 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I’m just saying, I could cut glass over here. Got any engraving you need done?

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      • Sure thing, Mister T, though I’m betting your chin works better.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 11:50 am RappaccinisDaughter

        I PITY DA FOO!

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      • “Naked breasts reveal if a woman has borne children; the nipples become dark coloured, and the ligaments become stretched and torn. Women wear brassieres in order to emulate the appearance of young women who have not become either obese or pregnant.”

        In other words, pregnancy destroys a woman’s body. Do you wonder why many don’t want children and ruin their figures? Or, why they wait until last minute? Maybe RappaccinisDaughter has the right idea?

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      • The fate awaiting the average boy growing into a man is that few or no women will ever want him the way the average young woman is almost automatically wanted.You say that her body is “ruined” as it makes babies she knows with absolute confidence are her own flesh. For the average male in nature, his body, ruined or un-ruined, is not ever worth anything to a female except as a labor-saving device – to help her feed her sprog.
        Nature saw no reason for females of any species to understand the ramifications of this. Nature is economical when it comes to brains. They are inherently expensive, biologically speaking.

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      • It is interesting, to me, as a father, to see the look of shear terror on the faces of all the other women in any picture taken with my girl-child in it.

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      • News! Pretty soon both my complaint and yours will be immaterial, as fetuses will be maturing inside artificial wombs. I don’t know if it’s good or bad, or both. We’ll live and see.

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      • In other words, pregnancy destroys a woman’s body.

        Non sequitur.

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      • on October 5, 2013 at 10:16 pm Toffee Hammer

        A health pregnancy doesn’t destroy a health woman’s body. It just makes her body post-partum.

        Men are hardwire not to find women who have borne other men’s children attractive. This is good: we aren’t supposed to be coveting other men’s wives.

        The concept of “wife goggles” is well documented; unless a husband is busy viewing gigabytes of pornography, or cheating, he generally rates his 5-or-6 post-partum wife as a 7 or 8. It’s adorable, really. He will always see the sweet, young women he married. (Our culture’s obsession with older, post-partum women attempting to look young and youthful is no doubt messing tihs up a bit.)

        The revulsion to the post-partum body applies far less when the observer is the one responsible for making that female body post-partum.

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  46. Just my humble opinion, but I wouldn’t rate the first picture as “plain” compared to the average female face. Relatively it is “plainer” than the second picture though.

    All those “celebrities without makeup” comparison pictures that float around the web do reveal just how drastically appearance can diverge from reality.

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    • Well, maybe we get some subjectivity after all. Now, granted, I just got pegged as having wife-goggles, heh (which is funny and probably TRUE, since normally I’m a harsher judge than CH is, to judge by his “this is a 5, a 6, a 7, etc), but the gal on the left strikes me as “on the wrong side of plain.” She’s not hideous, but she’s a far, far cry from pretty, and wouldn’t have gotten a second glance from me as a single guy.

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  47. […] Take a look at this series of photos. Which woman, left or right, is more beautiful? How elusive is the concept of beauty? Apparently, not very. With a few microtweaks of geometric proportions, a woman’s face can turn from plain to pulchritudinous.  […]

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  49. I applaud your observation skills, here take this medal. Now show a picture of yourself you fugly bastard.

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  50. I’d appreciate some advice on the following situation:

    My gf of 2.5 yrs started showing signs that she was losing attraction before she moved away for school at the end of August. I no-contact zoned her after Sept 3 (also started martial arts training and lifting); she texted me Oct 1st with a brief update ending with “I was hoping to hear from you” and we talked on the phone two days later. I acted like everything was normal–small talk, catching up, &c, and she went along with this.

    Then I asked her if she’d talked to her roommates about my coming to visit her in the latter half of Oct (which we’d discussed/planned previously). She tells me that she hasn’t because “she hasn’t heard from me” and that she is busy in late Oct but free early Nov. I go to check my calendar to set up dates but then she tells me not to plan anything yet because we need to get things “sorted out” between us.

    Then she complains that I was “cold” when she phoned me before she left (not sure if this is true or not because the convo was over a month ago) and that I didn’t tell her “I miss you” &c. She tries to guilt trip me for not calling her by saying she’s not sure if I care about her, but I hold my frame that I was busy (pretending I didn’t know how long it had been since we’d spoken) and don’t apologize or supplicate. I point out that she could have called me and she says she couldn’t call because she hadn’t updated her phone plan, her laptop is broken, and the internet in her dorm was crappy (this is obviously bullshit because should could have texted me anyway, and there’s no way the internet was too crappy to send typed messages through skype. She’s also posted a few facebook updates so she obviously has internet access).

    As the convo winds down she says that she “hopes to hear from me” or something of that sort. At the end I tell her I love her (as I normally do) but she doesn’t say it back.

    So I’m wondering what’s going on here. Most of the stuff I’ve read about NCZ has lead me to expect that when the girl reinitiates contact she’ll be nervous but more into you. Presumably she wouldn’t have contacted me again if she wasn’t interested. But in this case why won’t she commit to my visiting her? Is she just genuinely distressed by my lack of attention or is she simply testing my frame? How should I handle this situation?

    my current thoughts:
    I’m actually not certain what to do yet in part because I’m no longer certain what I want. She’s a quality girl and I’m definitely into her, but after steeling myself for a month of no contact I’ve realized I can get along fine without her, and I’ve internalized my higher value so that I realize that I can get other girls if I want. Currently there seem to be few present benefits to me in staying in the relationship (esp. since it’s long-distance). So I’ve been considering just walking away.

    At the same time, I don’t want to make a hasty decision or simply perform a knee-jerk reaction to the situation. I only started reading red pill stuff at the end of August. If she’s into me and if she regains attraction in response to my new frame, I think I would be quite happy with the relationship.

    Was thinking of calling her again in a few days and telling her straight-up, “If you can’t commit to a visit I can’t commit to this relationship.”

    I’d appreciate your suggestions on what to do including analysis of the situation and your reasoning.

    tl;dr: NCZed LDR gf for a month, she re-initiated but seemed a lot less into me than I expected, and was unwilling to schedule a visit until things are “sorted out”

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 9:02 am RappaccinisDaughter

      She went away to school and didn’t attempt to contact you for a month. Your intuition that she could have gotten in touch if she’d wanted to is correct. What’s more, you’ve done fine without her. This all adds up to the relationship being over.

      You’re in good company. I’m guessing that you’re both college-aged? If so, it’s relatively rare for relationships to survive the going-off-to-college stage of life. So try not to take it too hard. Go out and meet other women, enjoy this time in your life, and don’t worry about her. Let her be a happy memory.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 9:11 am Toffee Hammer

      Long distance relationships are useless for any kind of long term value. Go and navigate a successful breakup.

      If the girl isn’t willing to stay in the same city as you or follow you wherever you go in your travels, she’s not into you.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 11:02 am The Burninator

        I was going to disagree, then considered that my wife and I started with a long distance, college relationship, and ended up married. However, outside of having two great kids from the marriage, nothing of long term value has come of that. So yeah, stay away from long distance stuff if possible. And never marry unless you get her in a near vicinity relationship for a long, long time, and then only if you’re going to want kids.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 9:30 am ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

      go meet new girls. drink, party, hit the gym, get jacked, keep busy and hang out with friends. make new ones, be proactive and progressive with your life. holding on to something/someone that has moved away and giving you the cold shoulder will get you nowhere. i had the same thing happen and sometimes you get tied up in the emotions, but honestly you’re way better off going solo at this point

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 9:13 am Toffee Hammer

      I feel sorry for the guy. Hour-long FaceTime chats, gifts, flowers, and letting her take all those emasculating photos of the two of them to put on social media? And this guy is a professional athlete…

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 11:20 am The Burninator

      Jennet McCurdy wasn’t Hanna Montana’s sidekick, she was iCarly’s sidekick. Emily Osment was Hanna Montana’s sidekick (totally different girl, and far cuter than McCurdy). I can say that now that they’re all adults, heh.

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  51. BB
    Looks to me that the only path to that girl is STRICTLY through other girls’.

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    • on October 4, 2013 at 9:16 am Toffee Hammer

      And a girl you can only get to through inciting jealousy via other girls is not a “quality girl”.

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      • on October 4, 2013 at 9:32 am ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

        +1

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      • There always force. But going from BB to 4B ( Blue Balls BB) is going to solve the situation, how?

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      • on October 5, 2013 at 10:17 pm Toffee Hammer

        Meet other girls, have sex with them, or start a relationship with another girl (perhaps one in one’s own CITY), have sex with them.

        Or masturbate? Exactly how much sex is going on in a long distance relationship?

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  52. OT:

    Sure it was a staged photo…but it still looks cool.

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  53. There is even more simplistic explanation for this difference in beauty – a flatter face (with flatter cheeks) is more attractive than a round/chubby face. This applies to men just like it does to women.

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  54. In the past a woman would usually walk away from a cosmetic surgeon looking worse than before. Now that beauty can be mathematically determined a lot of ugly ducklings will transform themselves into beautiful swans. This is bad news. Looks are an evolutionary guidepost. Beauty is indicative of quality genes and ugliness of shit ones. Cosmetic surgery will make many men fathers of poor quality children through no fault of their own. Technology isn’t all peaches and cream.

    You may remember a case from somewhere in Asia where a father was baffled by the ugliness of his newborn. After all, his wife was a stunner. It emerged that his wife had only became stunning quite recently, however, after being transformed from a dog by a master surgeon. Indicative of the greater sense that prevails in the Orient, a judge annulled the marriage and ruled the woman was at fault. I don’t remember if the father was ordered to fork out payments for the ugly kid, but I don’t think he was. Had it been in the West the father would have had to to pay. There should probably be a website that advises men on the signs that indicate a woman has had cosmetic surgery.

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  55. Race does have something to do with it. In the original picture, she looks kind of Irish. In the modified one, she looks more continental, like French maybe.

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  56. So the rounded apple face isn’t considered as beautiful. I prefer those, a fetish perhaps.

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  57. I don’t know if the author was joking with the last part, but hardly this isn’t conforming beauty with cold numerical standards at all. This is just a computer program which perfects a face to fit into more beautiful proportions, not in the slightest an explanation of beauty itself.

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  58. No one noted the fingers of Miley Cyrus?
    The index finger is very shorter compared with the ring finger:
    This is indicative of a high level of androgens/testosterone during her mother pregnancy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digit_ratio

    “Researchers continue to study what sparks these hormonal changes and have begun looking at environmental chemical exposure, stress levels and diet during pregnancy.” cit.

    Her brain is probably more primed like the brain of a male than a female, so she is a lot less shy and timid than a normal female and probably her drive (work, sex, every thing) is a lot higher.

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  59. Weird! Most of my comments to Toffee Hammer didn’t post.

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  60. […] Nihilism and cynicism are perfectly justified when the timeless mysteries of human wonder yield to t… […]

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