Alpha Assessment: Jerkboy Charisma Game

Reader Knowbody passes along the following textinage,

my latest text game…employing short, direct, asshole-like replies. Guys, 6 months ago I woulda never dreamed of talking like this to females. Have CH and the manosphere/game community to thank for showing the light. [ed: go forth, child of CH, and spread the Poon Word] All my texts anymore are direct, no questions, very short, etc. In sets eye contact has opened the floodgates for the bang close. Shit is so easy now it’s funny

example in latest text game:
after like 2 weeks of not talking to her
Me: in town tmr, organize a 3some
her: guy or girl
me: cute

Great reply. So much better than a “haha, j/k. but seriously, you want to meet up?” betaboy reversion to the feeb.

her: hey if I’m in charge of finding the people you have to deal with whatever I get
me: no way, prob get some diseased homeless broad
her: no cause if it’s a 3 way then I’d have to fuck her too
me: so get a hot one then
her: well duh your the one who said she was gonna be nasty, not me
me: less talk, more scouting bitches (experienced great success with freely throwing “bitches” around without batting an eye)

This is a classic reframe. Instead of getting embroiled in an endless loop of her female logic and slowly killing the fun vibe, he snips the beta bait thread in two and redirects it down a detour of his choosing (“less talk, more scouting bitches”).

her: lol ok.
her lol GO!
me: i do this daily fool
her: huh??
me: you don’t follow well
her: yea ya crusty butt hole you made no sense

This line irritated me and was very unladylike, I have a low tol. for jabs, esp gross shit like a man would say so I stopped txting for a few hrs.

Intermittently reward women for good behavior, but promptly punish them for bad behavior. Psy Ops 101.

me: such a lady
her: that’s why I have so many gentlemen callers
Me: gentlemen…aka fags
her: lol either way idc

NOTE: around here her texts are getting longer and more grammatically correct…subconciously I believe she’s trying to impress now.

That’s the way to bet.

her: Besides, you know you want it lol
me: talk a big game. rarely as good as advertised

I want to point out here what a fantastic line this can be when used on a girl who is accusing you of wanting her badly. It instantly flips the “chaser-chasee” script without sounding too insulting.

her: [BIG RESPONSE (knew I was pushing her along by now…)] It’s pretty legit lol (or so I’m told) idk I don’t like to just lay there haha I wanna be on top or on my hands and knees getting my hair pulled or giving head lol but some people aren’t into it.

She’s entered the self-qualification zone. Good things happen there. The sort of good things that befuddle betas and enrage male feminists.

me: faaaaaags…I’m mean

This is his only reply that falls flat. (The “fags” riposte can easily be overdone.) Better reply: “thx for the Kinsey report”.

her: (RECOILS here…wtf) aw I wouldn’t call you a fag.
me: (irritated by her jumpy game)…do things even register in your head

Most recovering betas are amazed by how much of a jerk they can be with women without blowing themselves out like they normally experience when they’re dropping niceguy game for all it’s worth.

her: Depends on the kind of day I’m having lol
me: handful

Another great one-word reply designed specifically for intense hamster aerobics.

her: (instantly fires back)…Of Ass lol

I like this chick. She’s sexy sassy, not annoying sassy. Seems like she has a brain rattling in her skull, and a healthy acceptance of her role as the feminine partner in a blossoming courtship.

me: prove it
her: Lol shit you already know
Me; always a tease
her: Lol what?! Not me lol
Me: pique my interest.. do it pussy

Calling a girl a pussy is just the sort of out-of-left-field challenge they can’t resist.

Think I may have pushed it here with seeming desperate…was actually on the way to her BFF’s to beat it up lolololozlzolzozolll

her: Lol I think your interests are already piqued otherwise you wouldn’t be asking me to elaborate….js

Yup, she’s a sharp one. Contrary to popular freak mafia belief, it’s often the smart girls who hungrily lap up game and beg for more.

(I should have said, who asked? because clearly I have yet to ask anything from her, all have been short demands)
me: lame

If a girl has you by the short and curlies, a quick escape can be made with a curt reply like “lame”. It’s not ideal, but it beats getting explicative or defensive.

Her: You just want me to get into dirty detail of what I’m into…idk if you could handle it
Me: you’d worship what I put down (now I’m like Fuck it, time to up the dickmode)
her: lol your funny
me: guaranteed
her: Over confident

And she’s loving every second of his overconfidence.

Me: field tested hahaha (trying a move for a little bemused mastery)
Her: That might make you a slut lol
Me: I don’t wanna deprive the masses

This is a professional grade reframe.

Her: Oh god lol
Me: close but maybe not that far

Chicks dig the cheeky jerk.

few more of over the top inflated ego responses from me
At this point she just kept going back and forth challenging me wanting me to slip up like some faggy chump so I just quit texting

Ok, that’s a reasonable decision. One-upsmanship is fun, but can rapidly lose steam. If you raise a girl’s buying temperature, you have to find a way for her to release the heat. Otherwise, she gets frustrated and annoyed, and then it’s GAME OVER, MAN, GAME OOOOVER. At some point beyond the first few flirtatious parries, you have to physically escalate. That means, find the willpower to end a positive text convo before it drags on too long. As the man, you have to take the initiative here; you never want to let a woman end a conversation before you do.

She knows I’m banging her BFF so she’s always been iffy…definitely a lot of sexual tension between us

The problem here is that she’s feeling dueling compulsions, and trying to reconcile them. She loves your style and your pre-selected alpha goodness, but she doesn’t want to be the “other woman” and kill a BFF relationship. She also knows that, as a confirmed cad, you would be a cheat or abandonment risk should a sexual tryst evolve. You might be able to close this deal if you catch her during the week of the month when she’s ovulating.

but she won’t relax, like she wants to but will disengage out of nowhere, this kind of conversation has taken place many times, even get a few racy pics here and there. Tells me how she likes to swallow, facials, biting, negs her friend to me all the time (“she’s a lame fuck, I’m much better”), mean fucking…all that good shit chicks rarely talk about openly unless they are imagining YOU doing it.

She’s masturbating after, and perhaps during, her text convos with you.

What does CH and readers feel is the best course of action to pin this one down and give her what she wants. I know I’m close..she’s on my texts instantly now as if she’s waiting for them. Fucking love the game community.

Ok, well, first off, know that she sounds like a cocktease. The urge to safely preen before an unattainable badboy is strong in many women. You should avoid getting used as a diddling aid. Weeks of sexting will slowly erode your value if you don’t push for something more. You need to 1. get her alone, 2. allay her fear of discovery and 3. become physical with her.

(1) is the hardest part. You might have to deviously arrange it so that she’s trapped into one-on-one confinement with you, from where you can then drop hints that you don’t judge and you don’t tell tales out of school. Think along the lines of filling her ear with an innocent story from your past, a story about an illicit liaison that stayed quiet because you could be trusted. (2) is important because she’ll need to know that you have the social savvy to prevent any tryst from blowing up her circle of friends. (3) is standard operating procedure. You could probably escalate sexually very quickly if you get her alone. The groundwork has already been laid, and who knows, she might hold a private resentment against her BFF and this is her way of exacting revenge.

But there’s nothing like the wisdom of an educated sociopathic crowd, so let’s throw this quandary to the studio audience and see what the readership advises.





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    • > “her: It’s pretty legit lol (or so I’m told) idk I don’t like to just lay there haha I wanna be on top or on my hands and knees getting my hair pulled or giving head lol but some people aren’t into it.”

      And the NSA – which is to say, The White House and the Mossad – are reading every word of this.

      > “I like this chick. She’s sexy sassy, not annoying sassy. Seems like she has a brain rattling in her skull…”

      Yet some day this poor chick is supposed to turn it all around and become somebody’s mother?!?

      I honestly don’t see how you maintain any sort of a civilization if you allow this level of depravity in your best & brightest females.

      Which leaves our heavily-tatted barely-employable trailer park Orcas at what level of hopelessness? Bestiality with canines?!?

      You really want our next generation of children growing up with mothers like this?!?

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 4:11 pm haunted trilobite

        I’m with you that society is depraved from top to bottom, but just coz she’s all lusted up in her 20s doesn’t mean she couldn’t be a good mother later in life. Children wouldn’t have any mothers without some element of lust. She just never heard this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFEH332t2N4&noredirect=1

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      • I agree with you Zombie Shane.. What I don’t understand is if this guy wants his girlfriend’s best friend so much why doesn’t he just finish the relationship with his girlfriend first? And then game her as much as he pleases. It makes me feel slightly disheartened with the goodness of humanity and temporarily misanthropic when I hear of these things. Where are the morals of these people? Ok, the man is led by his lust for another woman, but the woman.. does she not know the meaning of the word loyalty? Where is the loyalty to her “best friend”, who needs enemies when you have friends like this.

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      • I agree 100%. What’s disheartening to me is the assumption that this is normal female behavior, and worse, that it’s acceptable female behavior. If men bemoan the fact that girls today are too amoral and slutty, why do they reward this sort of girl with attention?

        And not only do they reward it, they criticize other women for pointing it out. Any criticism of a woman’s values and morals means we’re “catty” and “jealous” etc. It doesn’t make sense– why would anyone be jealous of a crude, overly aggressive girl trying to get her best friend’s boyfriend into bed? There’s absolutely nothing to admire.

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      • Normal as in..typical? Sure. That is until you “guys” [hahaha thanks feminism!!] get on board and start slut shaming your own kind to actually maintain some level of modesty I will continue to pump and dump, but no, all we hear from the “other side” as in, “Red Pill Women” [emphasis on the quotes] is NAWALT. Step outside and for once in your life think outside of your own perspective. This is a foreign concept to you I’m sure, but as a man with sound mind, a high T libido, a masculine job with masculine hobbies, in our #YOLO world you can forget finding that “unicorn” girl who is feminine, moderate/low drama, faithful/adoring, and strives to maintain physical attractive levels. It’s not too much to fucking ask for…be sweet and strive to be attractive. THAT’S IT.

        Right now, in the trenches with young females, of which you know nothing about, the VAST majority of these types of females are doing nothing more than riding the schlong dong carousel and drunk dialing their latest ride because that’s all society, the media, and even their retarded parents are telling them to do without question.

        “YOU GO GURRRRL”
        “MEN ARE SLUTS..THAT’S JUST A DOUBLE STANDARD!!!”
        “HONEY, JUST SPEND YOUR 20s FINDING YOURSELF”
        “I DON’T NEED A MAN!”
        “I’M A STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMAN!!”
        OH and my fucking favorite “If you can’t handle me at my worst then you sure as hell don’t deserve my best.”

        It gets to a point that chicks in general, the overwhelming majority of them at least (sorry, NAWALT, right? lololzzlzlzozlzlz), all sound like ignorant children lost in their ways and every single one of these types are utterly shocked nobody cares after say..26 or so. I’m 27, I bang 18-22ish girls because the likelihood they’ve had 900 dicks in and around their face is statistically lower thus they’re more enjoyable to be around.

        Lord knows I’d love to come home from work to a sweet, slender, adoring woman in the house doting about doing whatever it is without a care in the world, you know what, she’d love it too, so would every fuckin’ female but the sweet VERY LIMITED EDITION candy is just too irresistible from ages 18-25. Let’s not forget who really got us here. It sure as hell wasn’t me and my gaming brethren. Like any grown man, we’ve adapted to our environment. Thrive or Die. I think it’s funny a man is expected to invest in his future by way of a good secured career AND 401k, retirement, life insurance, trust fund blah blah but a 20 year old woman can’t think “maybe I shouldn’t slut around so I can have children with a man I can be proud of.” How hard is that, really?? That’s a fuckin bargain, my friends. Yet, what girls think like that? I sure as hell haven’t met any…even the good ones defend the sluts “she’s just comfortable with her sexuality.” “A little fun never hurt.”

        Yes I banged this girl in the text convo, she came around later when I was in town and said she couldn’t get the convo out of her mind, no the other one wasn’t my girlfriend, All she does is party and give me shit for not taking her on dates yet here she is a year later on my D every day or so future mother of my children? HAHAHAHAHA, riiiiight. If they get all shitty about this…too fuckin bad, Girl A wasn’t worthy because she drinks too much and girl B is a sarcastic shit way too often…obviously with the stupid “butthole” comment. Their problems, not mine. If they can’t see I’m not willing to go further, the last thing they’d do is question “am I doing this right?” unlike every mufffffucker that reads this blog and strives to educate and improves himself.

        Girl world: “He just can’t commit, I’m a great catch.” Guy world: “I need to learn how to maximize my potential.”

        If it makes you feel better….”MOST OF THE GIRL WORLD” lollololollzzzz
        Tell these sloots what’s up, they sure as hell aren’t going to listen to us big bad, evil men.

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      • Knowbody, I understand what you’re saying. I think I’m just reacting to being accused of cattiness when I point out the sluttiness of text girl’s behavior… like there’s something wrong with *me* for criticizing her. That’s what bothers me. I get what you’re saying about having to adapt to your environment. If these girls offer you sex, of course you’ll take it, I get that. Yea we might wish it were different out there, but it isn’t. Finding someone worthwhile is like finding a needle in a haystack.

        One of the debates on the thread got started because I (and others) said this chick was obviously “up for anything” and wouldn’t need much to close, and someone else insisted she’d need reassurance, comfort, etc gaming to close, like a “good girl” would need. It sounds like she was up for it and I’m glad it worked out the way you wanted.

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    • on September 16, 2013 at 9:11 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      GBFM: in town tmr, organize a 3some
      her: guy or girl
      GBFM: ocr
      her: ???
      GBFM: one cock rule

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 9:13 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        alos one cock rule would rock as a animated rap:

        OMG both of you betado9uches above are violating THE ONE COCK RULE!!!

        You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz

        “I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand.”

        OMG lzozzlzll wtf are fuckity fucks doing with chix in your homes? lzozlzlzlz omg lozlzlzlzlzl looozers lzozlzlzlz1!! hzhzh

        THEY VIOLATE THE ONE COCK RULE THEY ARE OUT! OUT!

        OUT!

        O U T OUT! lzozlzlzl

        OMG lozlzlzozlozozolzl wft r u doing dating a chick 4 a yer did your dick fall off? Were yu chosen by Beernanke and given an award and medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters?

        sounds 2 me it is the latter as u have no cock lzozlzlzlzl lzzozl

        and she made you think of another cock

        fucktard haven’t u heard of the one cock rule?

        throw a beat over this way.
        yo yo yo yo
        yo yo yo

        now hit it!

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
        over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
        letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
        then you blame the betas in school
        and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
        jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
        stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
        neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
        even after menopause and no need for da ragz
        telling young chickas to lust after vampires
        as they build their fiat empires

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
        let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
        theft in fiat inflation is hid
        as they swing their bankrupting axe
        i don’t care what last night u did,
        ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.

        as they promote butthex across the land
        ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
        as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
        the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand

        but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
        it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
        as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
        teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink

        womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
        you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
        and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
        stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”

        and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
        teacxhing women to lust after the undead
        as the neocons suck the western world dry
        bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
        while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
        cry cry cry
        cry cry cry
        not for you or me
        but for themselves
        not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
        but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
        so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
        but he left her dry
        so whe butthexed with the asshole
        and now see her cry
        and wonder why
        and transofrm the entire univeristy
        into a program to further the fiat lie
        to transfer wealth and wage war and death
        to about fifty million more
        and redefine fifty cocks in her ass as empowered
        and not a whore

        all together now!

        lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
        lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
        lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

        one cock rule one cock rule
        i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
        about another cock ya make me think
        i’m gone, yo bitch,
        let the betas buy yas yer next drink
        alreayd seen yer pink stink
        bent ya over the sink

        and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
        because everything is fair game–truth love honor–excpet for fiat butthexing lies.

        all together now!

        lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
        lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
        lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

        AND THREE COCK RULE:

        ^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down

        lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz

        what do ya want?

        a two cock rule rap?

        or three cock rule?

        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
        i need a chick to cuckold me
        i need a chick on me to pee
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i love being the greater fool
        one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
        i keep mine in my pants,
        and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
        so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i treat my lady like a nice guy,
        give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        while your cock doth touch her stool,
        i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
        as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
        teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
        to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
        while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
        splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
        three cock rule, three cock rule,
        i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
        i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
        fund her with other cocks to dance.

        lozlzlzlzl

        or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

        lzozozozo

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      • Holy crap! Ha ha ha!!

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      • It’s a robot voice.

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  1. “Think along the lines of filling her ear with an innocent story from your past, a story about an illicit liaison that stayed quiet because you could be trusted.”

    you can gain a reputation as a ‘trustworthy’ cheat partner. girls talk, but if you don’t, ever– and then i assume if you get some positive buzz on performance– they will seriously relax the resistance they feel about being found out as a slut.

    so i think this approach is just right. don’t be too “it’ll be our secret” it’s more along the lines of “my business is my business”. you know the attitude though so you’re probably fine. just need opportunity.

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    • This.

      Don’t tell her details about fucking her friend or any other girls, keep everything in vague terms. ie – you can talk about loving to throat-fuck girls, but you don’t say “I love throat-fucking BFF, she’s such a kinky bitch”

      And like burke says, don’t make it a coaxing/begging “it’ll be our secret” thing. It’s just your biz is your biz, you don’t share details with people. She’ll extrapolate that it’s safe.

      From there CH has the formula down. I would add in 2 weeks of radio silence before arranging a situation where you’re both together, ideally at a party of some sort, where you have the logistics to isolate her and escalate.

      A girls biggest fear is judgement.

      The txting was solid btw. Well done and way to push your comfort zone. We all had to do the same at some point lol

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 11:28 am Lucky White Male

        Why the 2 wks of radio silence, wouldn’t you want to arrange the isolation as soon as possible to take advantage of her horniness

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      • Because she’s not ACTUALLY horny. I think a lot of people don’t get that lol

        She’s just talking about sex because he’s set the frame that it’s okay. I think a lot of guys here probably don’t go very sexual with girls so they haven’t seen a girl talk like this. It’s just a validation trap. She wants him to think she’s horny so he’ll go “okay let’s meet up!!” and then she gets his validation. She won’t ACTUALLY let him come over and fuck her or anything.

        This is a really common trap, especially with hot girls, and most guys fall for it, including myself until I started recognizing it. It doesn’t mean they’re sluts or horny or even fucking anyone in general. I know girls who will be like “I’m sooo horny I want your cock so bad babe 😦 :(” and as soon as I txt back “where you at?”, they go radio silent and the next day they’re all “sorry babe my phone died, I really wanted to see you 😦 :(” And then you go “okay let’s hang out Wednesday.” “okay!! god I can’t wait, I want to fuck you so bad!” And then Wednesday comes and she “falls asleep” and flakes.

        It goes on and on and on until you do something to completely fuck with her world and the validation conveyor belt you’ve helped her set up: like ignore her completely. 🙂

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      • Yo Ya, I know this is on some meta-level shit and detracting from the thread, but I haven’t seen you answer it before.

        At what point did you feel like you mastered this area of your life?
        Was it a sudden realization? A certain caliber of girl? Constant positive feed-back?

        When that happened, did you relax with it? Curious as to how you recognized “Yeah, this area of my life is handled now.”

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      • This is a tricky question to answer lol

        I don’t consider myself a master, but I do consider myself competent and, realistically, I have a better conscious understanding of game than most people. In my mind, I’ll always be a student. There are always new goals to strive for, girls who I click better with, etc.

        But I would say the main major milestone that was important to me and was the complete shift in my mentality, was when I realized that sex was now, forever, an actual option for me.

        When I was a beta AFC virgin 23yo, sex was simply something other people had. In my mind I’d fantasize about how many one day a cute girl would be hired at work and we’d flirt and over time go out on a date and she’d be my girlfriend and one day we’d have sex etc. But realistically I felt completely not in control of that, and was just pinging off whatever the universe let me have.

        Now, even if I stopped going out entirely, I would still eventually be able to get laid. If I stop going out, it might not be with 7+ girls because my skills will get rusty and everything…but I’ve crossed the point to where the concept of going years without sex is completely foreign to me now. So to me, there’s a security and control of my life in that that I didn’t have before.

        The point that happened was the first time I turned down sex from a 7+ girl lol The first time I went “no, you know what? This chick isn’t worth it. I’m actively choosing NOT to fuck her despite knowing she wants to fuck me”. I would never have done that at 23. Now I turn down a LOT of girls, because I have personal goals in terms of the types of women I want. But the first time I did it, I’m not sure I can even really remember which girl or which time it was…but I know that was a big mental shift into abundance.

        “When that happened, did you relax with it?”

        I would say I stressed about it less. I didn’t necessarily stop going out or stop talking to girls, tho I did slow up on that…but it’s like when you try to get in shape, at first you might workout daily, but once you’re in shape you can kind of chill and just maintain it.

        Right now I’m at a point where I’ve taken a couple years of chilling and I’ve had a primary girlfriend. So I was still going out and approaching and getting laid, but just casually on weekends, and I don’t have as much free time having a GF I have to put time in with and all.

        But I think my relationship with her is naturally coming to an end, and personally, I have some game/life goals I still want to achieve before I’m 35. So I’m slowly starting to ramp my effort back up and take gaming a bit more seriously. I expect to see crazy results over the next couple years.

        Because the reality is that game is a lot like working out. If you stop working out and get lax with your diet here and there, you can still look GOOD. But you’re not going to look AMAZING. You’re not going to have that chiseled 6-pack and jacked up muscles without hitting the gym hard. And that’s cool, that’s totally fine, for most normal guys that’s enough. Long as you’re happy, you have my full support.

        But if you want that 6-pack, you have to hit the gym. There’s no way around it. If you want a harem of smokin’ hotties and to have crazy-tight game skills that let you own a room like a boss, you need to hit the field and actively sarge and not just go out drinking with the boys without approaching (unless your lifestyle is built around meeting women, like being a model photographer, working in a social job like bartending, etc.).

        Now at points in your life, you might achieve that 6-pack and go “ahhh, that was awesome…but I blew all my $ on protein shakes and shit to get here, so I gotta’ work on my finances.” Or maybe you run into a new hobby or whatever. You may consciously choose “right now, having a ripped 6-pack isn’t that important to me, I want to handle some other shit” and slack off.

        That’s totally FINE…as long as you understand that, if you let yourself grow to 300lbs, you’re going to have to hit the gym hard again.

        Generally what I find works best is to just tone going out down…tone it down to once a week, or a couple nights every two weeks. Just head out to a bar or social event with some buddies. Approach if you feel like it, but don’t stress it too much…just keep yourself in a social groove being out and about with people and interacting with strangers and girls. And make whatever your new priority is, your main focus.

        But accept that, if that’s the mode you’re in, your skills will deteriorate a bit, just like you’ll lose that 6-pack, and you may run into that perfect 10 and choke completely because you haven’t approached in 6 months, or forgot how to smoothly grab a number, or how to deal with shit-tests, etc. And you won’t get her. And you’ll probably be okay, life will go on, there will be other girls.

        But you have to consciously understand and accept this instead of deluding yourself into thinking you’re still going to be a top-dawg bawse when you aren’t putting in the effort/focus consistently…it’s the same as the 35yo woman who deludes herself into thinking she hasn’t hit the wall and is running around in booty shorts lol

        So take some time off if you want, it’s cool. Whatever your goals are, work toward them. Right now your goal may not be pickup related. Don’t drop it entirely, the same way you wouldn’t drop going to the gym or eating healthy entirely, but don’t feel guilty for taking a break…just understand that that 6-pack will be under a layer of fat down the road. 😉

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      • I think you master/feel comfortable with it once you’ve slept with 8’s and you come to realise that your looks are enough but the only thing that changes with chicks you get and ones you fuck up interactions with is what comes out of your mouth and texting (which is what’s happened to me – I’m no expert tho) .

        I also think patience with chicks is key. I’m learning to be more patient with the numbers that I collect week in week out. If she doesn’t text back straight away I don’t do the text her twice anymore no matter how hot because another thing I’ve come to terms with is that I’m not the only one texting her. I just wait a few days and reinitiate.

        Also come to the realisation that you have to catch them at the right time (all planets aligning sort of thing). There are some things which are just out of your control..you just have to keep trying those numbers even when they’ve been dead for half a year.

        The alternative is you wake up on a sunday alone with no prospects and a full working week ahead. That’s a deadly state to be in and I know!

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      • damn, wish i read this bit two weeks ago

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      • This is a great observation that I haven’t seen anyone point out yet.

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      • Guilty as charged. This scenario you paint is very true. Except, I never went as far as to say “I’m sooo horny I want your cock so bad babe.” That’s way too forward. But many of us like to play around and tease when we have no intention of following through. No question, it’s true.

        The only way you can break this is to show displeasure. And the best form of displeasure is indeed to ignore.

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  2. need to _create_ opportunity to be alone, that is. she is ready in my opinion. there is endless fodder for essentially (not literally probably, but who knows anymore) calling her a dick tease if she’s reluctant, without actually sounding bitter. more along the lines of being exasperated by her and lumping her into the masses like an “oh god, you’re on of those” kind of feel.

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    • “need to _create_ opportunity to be alone, that is”

      Also this. My only issue with the txting is that he’s leaving the ball in her court. “Do something”. Like she going to go “okay come over and fuck me”. She will never ever ever do it. She’s not being a cocktease, Knowbody just isn’t taking the reins and leading.

      That’s not to say that she’ll meet up if he DOES try. She won’t cause her ASD is thru the roof at this point (the issue with too much sexual texting before banging…I tend to cross the line once to show I want to fuck her, but then back off and let her ASD cool down and arrange hanging out in a non-sexual way, where she can tell her brain “we’re just getting drinks”, not “I’m choosing to be a slut and go suck his dick”).

      Anyway, start figuring out how to CREATE a situation where you two will be together, in a platonic group setting without BFF there ideally, and where you’ll have the logistical advantage of easy isolation.

      An example would be arranging a group night out partying, where BFF is out of town or busy and flakes (tricky to separate the two of them)…mmmmmmaybe even, if you couldn’t get her out without BFF, have them both out at the bar and pick a fight with BFF and piss her off so she goes home but the friend stays. And then having the “after party” at your place with you, the friend, a good wingman who knows to fuck off and give you guys privacy or to distract the rest of the group while you isolate the friend, and ideally a girl for your friend so she’s not the only chick coming back…also good to flirt with the other girl to make her jealous and wider if you actually want to fuck her or not.

      Then call the friend into the kitchen to help you pour drinks, pin her against the kitchen wall and make out for a second then end the kiss first and leave her hanging while you bring drinks to everyone. Chill for a bit, be cool, eyefuck her, then when she goes to the bathroom wait a couple minutes then say you’re grabbing a drink and go stand in the hallway outside the bathroom door. Soon as she comes out, pin her against the wall and escalate HARD. Wrap her let around you, pull her hair as you bite her neck, put her hand on the bulge of your pants, and then pull her into your bedroom and don’t hesitate, just get to fucking eachother. The rest of the group will let it happen because no one wants to interrupt lol and if your buddy has a girl out there, he’ll probably get laid cause she’ll get horny knowing two people are fucking in the apartment.

      If you end up at someone else’s apartment, same basic plan but pull to the stairwell in the hallway or something and fuck there. And the best buildup to all this is a couple weeks of radio silence before the “hey we’re having a party, come out tonight” plans…she’s more likely to come out if she thought she lost your interest than if you’re sexting her daily.

      The point is you have to make it happen.

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    • “she is ready in my opinion.”

      She is, but it comes down to isolation, logistics, and actually getting her to come out, which is tricky with her ASD firing on all cylinders right now. She knows meeting up alone = sex so she won’t do it.

      RSDJulien’s first analogy in this clip is VITAL to understand:

      RSDJulien on logistics:

      “calling her a dick tease if she’s reluctant, without actually sounding bitter. more along the lines of being exasperated by her and lumping her into the masses like an “oh god, you’re on of those” kind of feel.”

      nooooooooooo don’t do this. This is challenging her to take the lead. She cannot take the lead because her ASD is firing PLUS her BFF dynamics. This would be like someone saying to you “oh what, you aren’t going to play Russian roulette with this handgun? Oh you’re one of THOSE…” No amount of teasing/challenging will make you play Russian roulette. Stick to telling her its just a water-gun lol

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      • Sigh I always made the same mistake. I ignore the friends and just escalate on the girl lol. I know now that’s OBVIOUSLY a bad move. And to think I’ve already seen this video, just never practiced game at the time.

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      • lol that’s what a lot of guys do. Straight-up, old-school Mystery Method “group theory” is still THE definitive guide to working the friends and making them okay with you fucking their friend. If you haven’t looked into it, I HIGHLY recommend you do:

        It’s mixed into all of Mystery’s stuff, but this video covers chunks of it. Learn to make the friends love you and they’ll HELP you bang her. ’cause you can go in and escalate hard on just her, and ya, you can get a makeout, but they won’t let you take her home lol

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      • Thanks Ya.

        Approached a shitton, accumulated a crapload of fuckups. Been watching MM and Rsd blueprint. FR in the works.

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    • this escalation plan is spot on female fantasy stuff, when you get honest feedback the up-against-the-wall stuff is napalm in their loins. fabulous game plan, it _will_ work.

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  3. Knowbody: Heartiste got it right, first time. This one’s a cockteaser. Don’t try to close this one until AFTER you’re done with the BFF. She’s playing you. As a general rule, unmarried women don’t risk losing BFFs with random men (after they’re married, it’s a whole different story, believe me).

    How to turn this around: she MAY be feeding all this to her BFF, or planning to do so at some point. (Never underestimate the weasel nature of women.) When the BFF confronts you with “I know you’ve been text-flirting with her!” will be the giveaway. Response: “Hey, I was just teasing her. But you know she sexted me AND agreed to set up a 3-some with me, right?”

    My advice: quit texting her altogether. Getting enmeshed in female network ratholes is worse than playing chess on acid. Little Miss Cockteaser might actually set up a 3-some with you, and bring her BFF to the party, just to see the look on your (and BFF’s) face.

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    • “When the BFF confronts you with “I know you’ve been text-flirting with her!” will be the giveaway. Response: “Hey, I was just teasing her. But you know she sexted me AND agreed to set up a 3-some with me, right?””

      This is denying instead of agreeing and controlling the frame, AND this is putting the blame/responsibility on the friend which is all telling your girl that if she ever slips up you’ll blame her for being a slut because you just did that to her friend.

      Don’t deny it. There ain’t no ring on your finger lol You aren’t married to this girl and she knows you’re a flirt. If she accuses you of flirting with her friend just agree & amplify like usual. “Ya. She’s hot. We should have a 3-some.”

      This is not a situation that should blow up in your face at all, as long as you stay congruent to being the sexual adventure guy.

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    • “My advice: quit texting her altogether. Getting enmeshed in female network ratholes is worse than playing chess on acid”

      lol no. That’s like giving up on a math problem because it requires a calculator. Who cares? Blow the rathole up. You can’t Next a girl you haven’t fucked, that’s her Next’ing you.

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  4. I give OP much credit for pushing his boundaries on this one. Sure, he went over into overgaming territory there and it probably pushed him further from his goal.

    Good on him though to try it out. I’m sure it was an eye-opening experience for him.

    OP, one piece of advice. Take the path of least resistance. At some point you may feel like you need to crank up the text exchange a notch or two or three……you don’t though. You may be surprised that when the girl is into you, you’d be better of playing it safe and low-key and just pushing for the meet-up asap.

    On the other hand, if value isn’t assumed, then it’s a good strategy to push those emotional buttons and get her invested one way or another. Then again, you’d be surprised in the future at the times where all you had to do was be your normal self versus blowing up the account by trying to enhance the text exchange.

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    • I agree that overshooting is part of entering new territory, IG. However, I think that overshooting is the fastest way to find the edge of possibilities and the optimal path. I have experimented instead of going directly for the lay because I want lays to come easily. It’s all fascinating. It’s not spergy if it’s calibrated to reality and made effective. I think Reader Knowbody is beating around the bush. When his target texts about working from on top, escalate. Duh. “So why are we texting so much?” Her: “blah, blah.” “1 orgasm >>> million texts” Then she either works out logistics then and there, or you maintain frame and have planted the seed in her hamster reality. “I’m livin for value, sweatheart.” “Ain’t gonna suck itself.” For God’s sake make her make the decision! A-I-D-A: attention, interest, DECISION, action. If you maintain frame on DECISION, she will almost certainly take action sooner or later. It is your maximum chance and also least costly approach. You are gaming in parallel anyway. Let her make her ‘choice’ of when, adjusted to your schedule obviously.

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      • “I agree that overshooting is part of entering new territory, IG. However, I think that overshooting is the fastest way to find the edge of possibilities and the optimal path.”

        Yup. When a baby learns to walk it stands up and takes a few steps and falls to the left. Then it gets up and takes a few steps and falls to the right. Eventually it learns the optimal balance. In some cases that baby grows up to do parkour and gymnastics.

        This is part of why you need an abundance mentality and to go out and approach a lot…so you can push your boundaries and take risks and risk not getting the lay, for the sake of learning.

        If this guy was terrified to fuck up the possible lay with the friend and/or terrified to risk fucking up his current fuckbuddy situ with the BFF, he wouldn’t have pushed like this. And if he didn’t, he wouldn’t have gained this insight into the female mind.

        I even know guys who do pickup and get laid a lot who don’t FULLY understand female sexuality and how far you can push this stuff. Like they still play it a bit safer (and thus less efficient) than they need to and I know they can’t understand when I explain it to them because its not a part of their experience/reality yet like it now is for this guy who’s stumbled across a new mental shift by txting this girl. I only know this stuff because I pushed like crazy and I’ve done all sorts of fucked up stuff that’s gone too far and has lost me lays with some girls, but gained me a shitload of knowledge and calibration like the kid who grew up to explore parkour.

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  5. on September 16, 2013 at 8:35 am RappaccinisDaughter

    Dear Knowbody:

    This isn’t about you. This is about her playing the Alpha Bitch game with her “BFF.” Oh, don’t get me wrong; she may very well have sex with you if you get her alone. But it won’t be because you’re an alpha or that she can’t control her attraction to you—although she will certainly frame it that way when she tells her bestie. (Notice I said “when,” not “if.”) It will be because this is a chance to stab her girlfriend in the back.

    This sort of thing, by the way, is why so many of my close friends are gay men.

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    • “This sort of thing, by the way, is why so many of my close friends are gay men.”

      This sort of thing is why I never tell my close friends too many private details. I know most of their dirty laundry, where they know almost none of mine.

      We girls like to talk a lot, but I’ve learned that if you don’t want to get burned, keep your mouth shut; share only superficial info. Very sensitive stuff I keep private.

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      • > “This sort of thing is why I never tell my close friends too many private details. I know most of their dirty laundry, where they know almost none of mine.”

        Lemme guess – they’re all a bunch of blond-haired blue-eyed sorority-girl Shiksa dimwits?

        Filthy stinking j^wish whore.

        With friends like you, who needs a knife in the back?

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      • “Lemme guess – they’re all a bunch of blond-haired blue-eyed sorority-girl Shiksa dimwits?”

        Haha! Here we have it; the new conspiracy theory of the day. Finally, something new to work with. You’re knee-deep in conspiracy theory, eh?

        Say…..have you been spilling seed outta a pussy too long and feel frustrated? Kinda sound it. Sorry, I can’t help you there. I can help your mind, but not your peen.

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 11:06 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Well, that escalated quickly.

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      • Calm down. If her endless commenting on this site is any indication, I doubt she’s very discreet about her personal life.

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      • Actually, I’m very discreet. And, I encourage everyone to be more so. Unfortunately, many friendships go sour, even the closest ones. Then, people turn on each other, as most don’t feel loyalty. We women, have a tendency to share too much with our GFs because it feels good. If you give into this, keep in mind it can all come back to haunt you one day. I only needed one experience to teach me this fact.

        Interestingly enough, despite my unwillingness to share too much private stuff, I have very close friendships, and that’s because I will not reveal what anyone tells me either. Most of my friends know I am like Fort Knox. There is nothing worse than a person who is a friend in your face and you feel they could be trusted, and then goes around and tells everyone what you told him or her in confidence. Lack of ethics is what I call it.

        The worst thing is a GF who knows you like a guy, and then she also tries to get his attention just because she knows you like him. All of a sudden, he piques her interest too. The best thing is just keep quiet about your feelings. Don’t show anyone your personal texting.

        As far as men, I haven’t dated a man who hasn’t been appreciative of the fact I don’t tell my GFs all the private details of our relationship. I think men understand the importance and benefits of privacy more than women do. I don’t think men like blabbermouths.

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      • Your LiveJournal entry was a fascinating read. Thanks for sharing!!!! ❤ ❤

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      • I <3U 2.

        Glad you enjoyed it. I knew it would appeal to you in particular. But, why the anger today? You’re not your cheery self!

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      • Well, they say, it takes one to know one. Don’t u guys act as if only your opinions matter? Talk about self-absorption!

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      • “Don’t u guys act as if only your opinions matter?”

        “Oh come on, NASA scientists! YOU guys talk about how to design the next space shuttle all day, why don’t you want me writing 10 paragraphs talking about how I want the rockets to have a cup holder for my Starbucks coffee???? WHY DONT YOU CARE ABOUT MY OPINION I AM A WOMAN AND A SPECIAL PRINCESS AND MY OPINION MATTERS ON EVERYTHING!!”

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      • How did you know about my Starbucks coffee’s special place in my heart? I’m astonished at the laser sharp accuracy of it all.

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      • You guys padding each other on the back is quite amusing.

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      • Shit patting, not padding. can’t see what I am typing.

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      • And with that, I’ve wasted enough of today lol work-time for me. Have fun girls, please let us know what you think about K-Stew’s breakup!! Do you think they’ll get back together?? How did it make you feel? THAT’S the important question!

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      • Four paragraphs praising yourself. The two-level amazing thing is:

        1) You don’t even realize you’re doing it.
        2) Even when it’s POINTED out to you you can’t see it.

        The female ability to ignore physical reality while expecting her mind and needs to be reliably read, with no effort on their part, is amazing.

        Lucky we’re completely indifferent to their insanity once they’re 37 or so.

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      • Eh? Are you for real? Praising myself????

        I am sharing my strategies on not getting burned by GFs, which happens way too often. RD said she doesn’t have many female friends because she doesn’t trust them, and I said I don’t share many of my secrets with them, while I keep theirs if they tell me. Sorry, if being careful and having some commons sense means one is praising him/herself. Anytime a woman opens her mouth around these parts, she is apparently being solipsistic.

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      • She is, I have exchanged emails with her and have tried to make her reveal some things about herself, but she is like a vault.

        Other than her eye color and height , I got nothing…

        But she is very nice, and not dumb at all.

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      • Haha…….At least, you are vouching for me!

        Zombie Shane is going to accuse me of graduating from the MOSSAD School for Girls – sis of the Frankenstein school.

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    • Rapp:
      Absolutely right. As i said, this is about the female-BFF rathole. No man should.

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    • “she may very well have sex with you if you get her alone.”

      She will.

      “But it won’t be because you’re an alpha”

      She wouldn’t do it of he was a beta. It doesn’t have to be the primary reason, but she’s not having this convo with Bob the schlubs from accounting.

      “or that she can’t control her attraction to you”

      She can’t. Attraction is not a choice. Again, it doesn’t have to be the primary reason, but it’s a factor.

      “when she tells her bestie. (Notice I said “when,” not “if.”)”

      o noes!! OP might make drama for some girls. He’d better not try to fuck this girl then…girls hate drama and gentlemen don’t dare make girls angry at them!! lol

      Video on hitting on your girls’ friends:

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 12:09 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        “o noes!! OP might make drama for some girls. He’d better not try to fuck this girl then…girls hate drama and gentlemen don’t dare make girls angry at them!! lol”

        When did I say he couldn’t or shouldn’t fuck her? Or that girls hate drama? Girls LOVE drama…but some men don’t. Especially not the smart ones. And I’d say the chances are quite good that this little drama is about to turn into a shitshow that splatters the OP as liberally as the female players.

        YaReally, you’ve done a lot of posting on how to juggle multiple partners, including married/”taken” women, and how to keep that from impacting you. And when what’s going on is indeed about you, then yes, your advice is quite sound and should work. When it’s about women trying to fuck each other over, though…you might wind up as collateral damage in their little war.

        You’ve always shown a remarkable amount of insight into how women interact with men, Ya…but I don’t know how much you know about how we interact with each other. I think even you might be shocked.

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      • “When it’s about women trying to fuck each other over, though…you might wind up as collateral damage in their little war.”

        This is like worrying about being “collateral damage” from giving a cookie to one 5 year old, and risking that the other 5 year old might get upset and they might fight about it. It’s so beneath giving a shit about that its ridiculous to even entertain the notion that he should care. He’s not married to one of these girls, he doesn’t have 3 kids with one of them, he’s a single guy fucking girls who want to fuck him.

        “I don’t know how much you know about how we interact with each other. I think even you might be shocked.”

        I know a shitload. I just also know its completely not relevant in any meaningful way to anyone except the girls involved. It is to you, in your world, because you’re a girl and suffer from the usual chick solipsism where it’s mind-blowing to you that “how you interact with other girls” would be irrelevant to people.

        But to a man it’s all ridiculous nonsense because we know that when the attraction is there, you will revert to running on instinct and follow your default programming game is designed to tap into, and just backwards-hamster-rationalize your actions later. That’s why your chick-drama-dynamics don’t matter. They only matter until you want to fuck the guy.

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 2:06 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Chick-drama dynamics don’t *always* matter, Ya, but when they do…they really do. I’ve seen it happen. Usually it’s worst when it’s a tight-knit social circle. It’ll go like this:

        Dude A and Chick B are screwing. Chick B and Chick C are frenemies. Chick C gets mad at Chick B (usually for a bizarre bullshit reason) and gets a shot at Dude A, whom she fucks. Chick C hangs onto this knowledge until just the right moment, and then drops the bomb on Chick B. Chick B and Chick C spend the next three weeks upending the social circle with drama. Then they get drunk together and are all kissy-kissy BFFs. They decide it’s all Dude A’s fault and proceed to spread rumors and lies about Dude A all among their mutual friends.

        If you’ve never had the dubious joy of watching this Grand Guignol unfold before your eyes, then you’re a lucky man indeed.

        Now, if the OP is sort of an outsider to that circle, then yes, it’s probably not going to wind up affecting him one way or the other.

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      • “Dude A and Chick B are screwing. Chick B and Chick C are frenemies. Chick C gets mad at Chick B (usually for a bizarre bullshit reason) and gets a shot at Dude A, whom she fucks. Chick C hangs onto this knowledge until just the right moment, and then drops the bomb on Chick B. Chick B and Chick C spend the next three weeks upending the social circle with drama. Then they get drunk together and are all kissy-kissy BFFs. They decide it’s all Dude A’s fault and proceed to spread rumors and lies about Dude A all among their mutual friends.”

        So basically Dude A gets to back Chick B and Chick C seeks him out to seduce and bang him. And while Dude A is banging Chicks Y and Z because he has other girls on the go, Chick A and B put themselves thru a bunch of retarded emotional rollercoasters and when Dude A comes out of the haze of banging Chicks Y and Z, Chicks A and B tell him they won’t bang him anymore. He laughs “okay” and the next time he brings Chick Z to a party, Chicks A and B get jealous and both try to fuck him again.

        Ya, chick dynamics TOTALLY matter. He should probably draw up a flow-chart of how Chick A and and B feel and read their Facebook updates daily.

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 2:42 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        You know as well as I do, Ya, that most men don’t have an alphabet’s worth of girls on the go, or an unlimited pool of friends who will always have his back and won’t succumb to chick drama.

        “He should probably draw up a flow-chart of how Chick A and and B feel and read their Facebook updates daily.”

        Who jizzed on your Toaster Strudel today, Ya? You want me to beat them up?

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      • Neither of you are wrong – you’re just talking past each other – both of you have incisive insights into the dynamics of desire at work in the type of situation you’re describing.

        Rap’s point is that girl-rivalry/jealousy/friendship (Rap is right to point out just how dark this triad is at bottom) can have a decisive sway on whether or not Dude A will be able to successfully set himself up as the model/mediator of desire – whether or not he is able to at any particular time could very well hang completely on where said girls are at in their rivalry.

        Ya’s point is that – in the long run – if he just keeps positioning himself as the model – the one whose desire matters – he will be able to mediate the desire that he wants eventually. The dizzying hamsterfied fury of the girlicane will whirl itself into oblivion and, ultimately, land right back on Dude A’s lightning rod – at his leisure.

        I guess what’s sort of neat from a biological/evolutionary perspective is how the lines across which both of you misunderstand each other are drawn from the gender duality. Male brains, normally distributed, are better able to focus their aims and desire and weather the storm of bullshit that life offers – males who do this well and consistently are rewarded – and so on. Females, on the other hand, are less able to focus their reason and desire but are at the same time able to get a better intuitive sense for how whatever it is they are doing/working in effects other things – especially rivalries and social position.

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  6. And on the opposite end of the spectrum we have this guy http://www.salon.com/2013/09/13/i_dated_a_cuckold/

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  7. “your” for “you’re” (or at least “youre” or even the more efficient “ure”) twice indicates “a brain rattling in her skull”?

    Doesn’t matter, a hole is a hole.

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  8. Seriously? They’re both a turnoff from beginning to end. I literally laughed out loud when he complains her texting was getting a little too unladylike. Lol! Understatement of the week.

    Knowbody: she’s up for anything and it won’t take much more to get her there.

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    • “I literally laughed out loud when he complains her texting was getting a little too unladylike. Lol! Understatement of the week.”

      Haha! I agree.

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    • Knowbody: she’s up for anything and it won’t take much more to get her there.

      Yeah… he should’ve thrown “tits or gtfo” in there at some point instead of continually bsing with her until it died.

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      • Exactly, she’s not much of a challenge. Or just tell her she’s all talk no action, she’ll deny but escalate, dare her to show up at his apt apt naked under a coat. She’ll zip right over after a night of clubbing.

        Even better, when she texts him she’s on her way over, he can tell her he’s out and make her wait outside his door. Lol

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      • “Exactly, she’s not much of a challenge. Or just tell her she’s all talk no action, she’ll deny but escalate, dare her to show up at his apt apt naked under a coat. She’ll zip right over after a night of clubbing.”

        This is why you don’t listen to women on how to pick up women. Jesus. Ignore all of this. This is just retarded female cattiness hamster masturbation in text form. Getting knocked the fuck out by Mike Tyson doesn’t make you qualified to teach someone how to box.

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      • good point,but you are a pleasure of sex guy it seems. just sayin’

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      • Wow, that’s really interesting since one of my player guy friends has done exactly this (first time sex) and it worked. Lol

        You’re missing a basic fact here— she is slutty. She’s sexting her BFF’s guy. If this type of girl is really a challenge to you, well….

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      • “Wow, that’s really interesting since one of my player guy friends has done exactly this (first time sex) and it worked. Lol”

        No shit. So have I. This isn’t the same situation. “well that’s interesting, I pressed the gas pedal in my car and it went forward. So you should just press the gas pedal when your car is set in Reverse and it’ll go forward Lololllol”

        “You’re missing a basic fact here— she is slutty.”

        This is just catty bullshit. The same thing fat chicks do when a hotter girl walks in the room. Or a beta calling a player an asshole.

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      • It’s not catty shit. It’s true. The girl is slutty; she’s practically begging for it. Telling her, she’s all talk no action, or just a tease, probably will work on her. A little bit of disapproval will do wonders.

        When are you going to admit that some girls do indeed expect to be courted/wooed before they simply sleep with a guy, no matter how smooth expert PUA he is?

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      • “Telling her, she’s all talk no action, or just a tease, probably will work on her.”

        How many women have you fucked? If the answer is less than 5, quit talking about what “probably will work”. Yes, women can be keyboard jockeys too.

        “When are you going to admit that some girls do indeed expect to be courted/wooed before they simply sleep with a guy, no matter how smooth expert PUA he is?”

        And let me guess, you just happen to be one of those girls. Not like those other slutty whores.

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      • Sorry, but it was actually the same situation. Guy in steady FWB with girl, girl’s friend/co-worker sexting him and sending nude pics on the sly, he says she’s all talk and dares her to show up at his place…. and what do you know, she does. The key was in her aggressive sexting; that’s how he knew he could be aggressive himself.

        Lol I mentioned her sluttiness because it’s directly relevant to how he games her. You get that different types of women require different game, right?

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      • “And let me guess, you just happen to be one of those girls. Not like those other slutty whores.”

        Bingo! Honey bunny. And I think Amy too.

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      • Lily please just stop already.

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      • “The key was in her aggressive sexting;”

        She’s not aggressively sexting him. She’s teasing him. There is a difference to people who don’t have Aspergers.

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      • “You get that different types of women require different game, right?”

        You see, YaReally says no. He says all women respond the same way. There is no different type of game for different type of women. This premise is his true argument with you. It’s why he often argues with me too.

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      • Actually, most of the women I know and date behave as Amy describes. When I receive those IOI’s, I play dumb, they escalate, I challenge (“promises, promises”), they escalate, they text the shit out of me, I ignore 4 out of 5, they escalate. Then if it’s interesting, I take them out, spend an hour or two being Gregory Peck, and its sexy time: all very civilized and low-stress. (With former girlfriends, there isn’t even any innuendo: it’s nude selfies.) Women love these little phones. My first hard and fast rule is: if there is any sexy talk, it means “Fuck me.” Second rule: if there is a steady rhythm of periodic nonsexy mundane texts, it means “Fuck me.” What else could it mean? Guess what: if they don’t want to fuck you, and you are not in the friendzone being their wallet-on-two-legs, *they’re not going to text you.*

        I think the key insight here is that texting medium is so “safe” for a woman who walks around otherwise asserting an anti-slut posture. The medium allows them to chase and signal intention and deny that it’s real, I guess. Again, my cohort is the over-30, “good girl” crowd, so they tend to be short on time and longer on confidence. They also live public lives of seeming respectability. Sometimes I get the impression that the 25 year-olds would text themselves all day long if someone would create an app for that.

        Again, whenever I get a text, I ask myself: “Well. That’s interesting. What’s the real message here. Does she really want to know how my weekend is going? Or does she really want to know if I’m spending the weekend within 50 miles of her and am I available in approximately 57 minutes? What do I think about seeing her. Hmm.” If I’m interested I ask her out for a drink or a museum stroll and, then, you know, fun times.

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      • “they escalate, they text the shit out of me, I ignore 4 out of 5, they escalate. Then if it’s interesting, I take them out, spend an hour or two being Gregory Peck, and its sexy time”

        So basically you go radio silent, then get them out, remove judgement/consequence, isolate, and escalate. That’s exactly what’s being recommended for handling this situation lol

        And that’s NOT the same as “dare her to show up at his apt apt naked under a coat. She’ll zip right over after a night of clubbing.” which forces her to ignore a shitload of instinctive programming and lead the interaction to sex. You taking a girl out is not the equivalent of her coming over naked…in your scenario you’re handling and diffusing her ASD. Amy’s friend probably instinctively did the same. Amy’s silly advice goes against the girl’s social programming, is uncalibrated, and she simply thinks it’ll work because she’s judging the girl as a slut.

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      • Yeah, I would only suggest the naked under the raincoat thing if I’m established in an affair and the woman had comfort. It would be a kind of joking change-of-pace. Or, and this is more likely, the woman would just do it on her own: again, indicating that women can get down so long as they are choosing their slut-window terms and conditions. It strikes me, as well, to be true that a nervous guy trying something like that will get blown out. But I’m a natural introvert, so stuff like that would just strike everyone as histrionic and silly. I can see it working with extremely high SMV men.

        I do agree with Amy’s opinion, very strongly, that the texting woman in the endless texting exchange example, is just begging for the guy to wake up, spend time with her, and rock her world. God that was a painful dialogue.

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      • “Again, my cohort is the over-30, “good girl” crowd, so they tend to be short on time and longer on confidence. They also live public lives of seeming respectability.”

        That’s why your approach (more comfort, diffusing ASD) is best; you are dating the “good girls”. But the girl in the OP isn’t like that.

        You can game any girl, but the type of game varies with the girl. The ASD threshold of the “good girls” is going to be higher than it is for the easy girls, just like use of the “neg” is different dependent on the attractiveness of the girl. in The OP’s girl is willing to go behind her best friend’s back to sext with the bf, she’s giving graphic descriptions of her sex life and sending nude pics. Safe to say she’s on the “easier” end of the spectrum. Her ASD will be lower and the close can be faster and more aggressive. She’s just looking for him to help remove her accountability. Setting up a time to meet her out will just give her more time to think and talk herself out of it.

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      • Maybe, Amy. The reason I doubt it is that the so-called ‘good girls’ act like that with me, since I stopped being such a Striving Beta or Tortured Artist. This would include ‘good girls’ who are wives of good friends (albeit with more subtlety, not that I read the signals well at the time). Since I started putting into practice a lot of these Game precepts I suddenly see the inner libertine of women I used to only court the old-fashioned way, bundled with the outer ‘good girl’ that I previously thought I knew (or was married to, to be honest). It must be a lot of work being a woman and having two instincts (one good, one looking for a good debauch) to manage. Shame I didn’t know this a while ago.

        I’m really of two minds about your raincoat stratagem. Probably would have worked with several of the women in my life, and for the reason you state: it would have enabled their impulsivity, allowed them the “it just happened” excuse. After all, if it would work in a light-hearted role-playing scenario, with someone I already know well, it has value in a high-stakes, transgressive encounter.

        Anyway, thanks for the comment, they’re always interesting. I’m taking a dating vacation, trying to figure out the next level of this stuff, and get caught up on my sleep.

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      • “I’m really of two minds about your raincoat stratagem. Probably would have worked with several of the women in my life, and for the reason you state: it would have enabled their impulsivity, allowed them the “it just happened” excuse.”

        Just to make my point clear in all this, the raincoat thing is GREAT. It’s a fun thing, I’ve done it with girls, I’ll do it again with girls. I have them do all sorts of kinky fucked up shit.

        And I (and buddies I’ve known who have a similar vibe to me) do this with “good girls” who put on their complete angel persona for guys who don’t have my congruent sexual vibe, and those guys and their social circles etc. have no idea she was just blowing me in the stairwell when we stepped out for a few minutes.

        My issue is that right NOW, at THIS point in his pickup, with THIS girl, in THIS situation, this is NOT a good move and would be a complete and total miracle fluke if it worked. Because she has not fucked him yet. They’re still early in the pickup, where he hasn’t had his dick inside her. The dynamics are different at this stage VS having a fuckbuddy do it. He also hasn’t diffused her ASD, made sure she knows she won’t have consequences etc., which is what she needs to do it. Amy’s player buddy (and myself when I do this), handle that stuff via txt or over the phone or in the initial interaction etc., so we can get the girl to do stuff like that.

        In THIS situation, this guy has NOT aligned the chess pieces right for a check-mate. They’re still scattered around the board…they’re closer to a winning play than a lot of guys would get, especially Bob the beta from accounting, but they’re still not in line for this.

        And while BuenaVista’s game style of not triggering ASD at all IS a solid play, this pickup is past that point so he has to work with the path he’s on, her ASD is already HEAVILY triggered so Buena’s method doesn’t really apply directly here because the situation is already well on it’s way down a different path.

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      • nothing less attractive to a HVM than a purely sexual creature.

        This sperm is expensive. Can’t just go around spilling it willy nilly.

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      • “there at some point instead of continually bsing with her until it died.”

        No. This is a completely uncalibrated hail-Mary that won’t work and is just a signal of being frustrated/desperate that she won’t put out easily. Don’t do this. This is bull in a china shop shit.

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      • I was being facetious — my point was that he should have tried closing more quickly.

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      • lol ya I was thinking the same thing when I first read the txts. “Quit this back and forth shit, push for the meet-up already!!” But reading the rest of the situation, where he’s already fucking her BFF etc, that shit automatically makes things trickier is all.

        I wrote a bit above about ultimatums…”tits or GTFO” with a horny single girl who’s in your bedroom with no one knowing or going to find out and giving a bit of token resistance but she’s attracted = an ultimatum between “fun” or “no run” (positive reward or nothing). “Tits or GTFO” via txt when she’s BFFs with a girl he’s banging etc etc = an ultimatum between “drama” or “no drama” (negative consequence or nothing).

        In the former, she’ll choose the reward over nothing. In the latter she’ll choose nothing over a consequence.

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    • I agree. This conversation is idiotic from beginning to end. Anyway, there are few things in this world less sexy than reading other people’s sex texting.

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      • “Anyway, there are few things in this world less sexy than reading other people’s sex texting.”

        So quit wasting comment space here and go read 50 Shades of Grey. We’re teaching men how to get better with women and fix their sex lives here, not writing porn for you to rub one out to.

        No one gives a shit whether this conversation is sexy enough for you and no one wants to read you girls cat-fighting with eachother.

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      • Lol you’re the one cat-fighting with everyone today… we girls get along fine. 😉

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      • I’m just getting tired of retards. How about a rule where for a chick to give pickup advice she has to have picked up and banged at least 5 girls?

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      • This premise isn’t always right. Women do have an idea of what they are like, in spite of what you guys think or convinced yourselves. You think chicks have no idea or know anything about themselves? Maybe drunken bar slutts and feminists don’t, for obvious reasons. But, we do. Your technique can’t work on every chick in the world. And if you think it does, then you really have a big ego.

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      • “You think chicks have no idea or know anything about themselves?”

        NOW you’re starting to get it.

        There’s a conversation here about how there are no red pill women:

        http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/

        Sorry girls, I know being allowed to post in the manosphere gave you a big validation boost like you’re better than other women because you “get it”, but AWALT.

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      • “Sorry girls, I know being allowed to post in the manosphere gave you a big validation boost like you’re better than other women because you “get it”, but AWALT.”

        The last thing is we need validation from internet PUAs. And in case you didn’t know, some of us are not red pill women, or needed this to become one.

        As far as better than other women, yeah, some women simply are. I think you’re just annoyed that some women have the “audacity” to think this way, instead of letting the likes of you and your buddies bed us without purpose other than your thrills. Yeah, some women don’t like the pump-and-dump routing you think is your gift to chick kind. We have our preferences too. And, it certainly not one size fits all.

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      • We gotta give some of the women here some credit for not being liberals

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      • YaReally, cheers for the link below. It articulates the dilemma perfectly.

        This paragraph defiantly applies to the four women we have scurrying around the chateau…

        “There’s a temptation for red pill Men to get comfortable with a woman’s who accepts red pill truths, only to find that her solipsism has only accepted the parts of those truths that its comfortable with and benefits from. That solipsism doesn’t die once she’s acknowledged the legitimacy of your experience, anymore than your sexual imperative dies if you accept her experience as the legitimate one.”

        A woman can no more comprehend her solipsism than a fish can comprehend water.

        ALF

        http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 11:01 am Cad and Bounder

        I agree with everything YaReally has said on this thread, and frankly I think it would be better if CH just banned the female contributors. If you aren’t going out and trying to fuck women then you have no right to be taken seriously.

        This is a big issue because taking the red pill is hard. It’s even harder to digest it because everything in this female-centric Western world is telling you not to do so. In other words, a lot of men will read this thread and will WANT to believe the things that the women are saying.

        When women (that you aren’t fucking) start turning the conversation sexual (either by text or in a situation where the possibility of sex isn’t imminent) there are three possible scenarios..

        1. She is looking for the validation of you wanting to have sex with her . When she gets it, she will get bored, you will not get sex.

        2. She is beta-testing you. An alpha male has options, he does not jump at the mere mention of sex. She is turning you into the beta-chaser, that she will then reject. Do not fall into this trap.

        3. She is a fairly liberal girl. However, by escalating it you are running the risk of triggering ASD. If she IS a liberal girl, she will have sex anyway, so why risk triggering her ASD? Moreover, HTF can you be sure she is a liberal girl or not? You won’t really know until you’ve fucked her.

        In each scenario, the correct approach is just to laugh it off by saying ‘okay’, or hold the hoop higher for her by telling her to ‘behave yourself’ or finessing into ‘I hope you aren’t going to behave like this when I invite you to my place’.

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    • I have to agree here with ladies, it’s too long and too sluggish.
      If she was already fu*king someone this conversation would go 1/10 of it.
      What you NEED is to REFINE your game and to keep the attitude.
      Practice.

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  9. on September 16, 2013 at 9:45 am gunslingergregi

    her: no cause if it’s a 3 way then I’d have to fuck her too””””””””’

    fucking weird bitch ya now she American and thinks everything equal she will be asking to peg you

    but really I thought it was real with the telling her to get threesome and you already fucked her
    ya didn’t fuck yet;?

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  10. Here’s a play I’d like to see than may not be possible but overcomes the obstacles: get BFF to bring the cock-tease in on a threesome.

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    • This is entirely a possible outcome. I have a buddy who’s done this a bunch. The start of it usually looks similar to the OPs situation…but there are a lot of ways this could go at this point, good or bad lol

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  11. CH,offtop question here.What did you mean in your tweet?

    [i]You can tell a lot about a person’s values and character by whether they sympathize with Walt or Jesse. But not in the way you think.[/i]

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  12. If she is a cock tease, or as Rapp said, “Alpha Bitch Game,” then how about disengaging?

    She might re-engage you, at which point you push for a meet up: Your place or never.

    In other words, “bring the movies” or GTFO.

    Feel like any further back and forth is just spinning wheels in the mud.

    Love to hear thoughts if this strategy has any merit. An educated guess of what I have learnt so far in the past few months.

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    • “She might re-engage you, at which point you push for a meet up: Your place or never.”

      No. No ultimatums. Ultimatums are for girls and one-iris betas. Men with options don’t give ultimatums because they don’t give a shit and they assume she’ll put out sooner or later.

      I’m not shitting on you here though, I totally get why you’re thinking of that solution. In a much simpler situation you COULD head down that road a bit and have it work, but the dynamics of this situ, with her BFF already actually fucking him and her knowing about it etc, means this isn’t one of those “snip one of of two wires to diffuse the bomb” situs…the massive amount of dynamics going on affect her behavior and turn it into a “snip the right wire out of 50 wires” bombs lol

      Also this:

      “Feel like any further back and forth is just spinning wheels in the mud.”

      Is an accurate call, so good stuff spotting that. I was thinking the same thing halfway thru reading the txting…”fuck her already, this is going nowhere”. That’s why CH’s advice is spot on, but I would also add radio silence. Give her the gift of missing you and all that…she’s getting all the validation she needs for free right now. Take it away, then structure a non-ASD-triggering situation where you can follow CH’s advice.

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      • Thank you – I apprecieate the critique. Forgot about the ultimatum rule, but glad I got the radio-silence and the wheels on mud right.

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      • An example of a good ultimatum usage would be like, telling a girl you’ve just met “no I don’t give out my phone number” or “no I’m just on vacation, I’m leaving tomorrow forever” or “your BF will never know, you’ll never see me again” where she’s forced to bang that night or miss out on the opportunity forever…and you would need high-value and attraction for that, but that would work.

        The key difference between that situ and this one is that there are no long-term consequences for her choosing the “be slutty” option in the ONS ultimatum…there’s only adventure or loss of adventure. Whereas in the OP’s situ, the OP is part of their social circle so the ultimatum choice translates to “no drama” or “possible drama”. So she’ll pick “no drama” (not fucking him).

        To extrapolate further, once he gets the friend isolated and removes all responsibility from her (ie – “it just happened”), so when they’re at the point I described where he’s pinned her against the wall outside the bathroom making out, at THAT point, because she believes “no one will know”, the ultimatum has been morphed into “adventure” or “no adventure” because he’s handled all the logistics/dynamics that currently make the ultimatum a bad idea at this stage.

        So technically you’re not “wrong” per say, which is why I say I’m not shittin on ya lol it’s just that at this particular stage, an ultimatum will shoot him in the foot. As a general rule, avoid giving them, but if you DO, make it an ultimatum between “no fun” and “fun” VS “no risk” and “risk”. Hope that makes sense lol

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      • on September 16, 2013 at 1:24 pm haunted trilobite

        In the land of the blind, the one iris beta is king

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  13. “To stare, big-eyed Narcissus, into some spring
    Is beneath all adult dignity.”

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  14. The grammar so bad, and the msgs so short. Couldn’t understand a thing they were saying.

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  15. “Contrary to popular freak mafia belief, it’s often the smart girls who hungrily lap up game and beg for more.”

    Ohhhhhh yeah. Just prepare to be objectified like a motherfucker. So if you don’t like that then keep em dumb and feminine.

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  16. I have a lot of problems with these. Sexy talk, I know she wants it, but girl is terrified of taking any action. I live overseas so not American chicks.

    My usual move is an invitation for Western food at my house, which used to work but these days seems to fall flat. Girls will text text text but when it comes time to meet, she always has something to do. I’ve lost several promising girls like this. Yes, I’m being cocky & funny (although it’s harder in another language I speak but am not fluent in).

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    • Don’t invite them to your house and don’t txt as much if you keep getting stuck being her “txt buddy”.

      Invite them out somewhere instead of to your place, venue change a few times, and then lead them back to your house.

      You’re asking for too much compliance too soon. Watch this video:

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      • My rule, hard-won, is to simply never be explicit. I think this is what you mean by saying “asking for compliance”, which is the undertone on a lot of this discussion. We’re not selling software here, so it’s inappropriate to ask for the order and then do a forensic on the department budget this quarter. This is like turning a 5000W searchlight on a woman’s unstated sexual ambition. The only women who appreciate that are hookers.

        I just never met a woman who texted or email anything remotely sexual, who wasn’t ready to be seduced. (This includes manipulative golddiggers or other crazies who just want an LJBF for selfish purposes.) But if you are explicit about the real meaning of the conversation, her anti-slut self-regulation kicks in and forget it. They’re two, two TWO women in one.

        I maintain this rule at least through the first few sexual experiences, if not permanently. The women tend to be more, not less, explicit but … so what. I still avoid the sexy *talk* and focus on creating sexy *situations*. (Dinner at my house, drinks, weekend away, a dark parking garage, whatever.) It’s not like there’s any pressure because the outcome is already plain. Just my two cents, as some protective, gentleman game followed by sexual insanity seems to create friends for life.

        Note to Harland, if women don’t respond well to something? Stop doing it. It sounds like your women want to be seen in public being cared for by a man; if you’re getting the sexy talk but there’s a boundary issue with your home, let her have the fig leaf of the proper boundary.

        I wouldn’t invest a whole lot of time and money in squiring her about town though, unless you are getting physical escalation from her and more verbal innuendo in person. Or if you take her out a couple of times and she doesn’t invite you upstairs. Depending on your country, they may consider you a wealthy expat to be milked for drinks and favors. I was dating a Russian model (ret.) during a spell in St. Petersburg (Russia), and she ran this game on me successfully for a couple of weeks: probably 5-6 dates. (I was tentative because the culture was new to me, I was newly single and stupid, and this was still a time when a lot of Russian women felt that American men found them economically and socially inferior, and thus had to amp up their princess behavior.) But I cut her off after I made the moves bigtime and was rebuffed; later I had to go back to the States for a while, and didn’t even tell her I had left the country. She was emailing me pretty quickly and demanding to know when she could see me again. I just said, “I’m a man, you know, and you’re not that interested in me in that way. So I’m not sure what the fuss is all about here.” The anti-slut veil hit the floor and I still see her from time to time.

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      • “It sounds like you’re being used, your address is very wrong, or there is some other exogenous problem.”

        Agreed. There’s something he’s doing wrong that’s triggering that reaction. Maybe not seeding it early enough (ie – talk about a movie/photos early on instead of right before trying to get her to come home where it’s obvious it’s just to bang her), maybe getting too eager, maybe coming off too aloof and she thinks he won’t call her after they fuck, or the reverse, too needy and she thinks he’ll be clingy after…Or, like you say, it could be a cultural thing he has to adapt to.

        Post up some Field Reports or give us more details and maybe a pattern will stand out that we can help you with. You shouldn’t be having that much trouble with that part…especially if she’s actually attracted to you and you had a fun date. It should go smooth like butter unless you’re triggering her ASD somehow.

        “This is like turning a 5000W searchlight on a woman’s unstated sexual ambition. The only women who appreciate that are hookers.”

        “But if you are explicit about the real meaning of the conversation, her anti-slut self-regulation kicks in and forget it.”

        The second line here, about being explicit about the real meaning is absolutely true…but the first line is something that CAN be overcome with the right approach. I don’t think the “right approach to overcome it” would be congruent with your vibe, so it’s not a big deal, but I just want to make it clear that there IS a way to do it. It’s how I run my game, and it took me a while to learn, a ton of calibration and lost girls etc., but I’m at the point where I can get a girl to come over just to bang without doing a Day 2, and when we first bang I already know most of her crazy dirty fantasies and such.

        It’s not that I’m just happening to run into the sluttiest girls in the world, most of these girls are like innocent angels to their friends and family. I just know how to bring that side of them out in a comfortable way.

        But even with THAT, when I AM going from “dirty sexy talk” (which has a very specific time and place for doing it, like I say, there were a lot of nuances/calibration to learn), to actually meeting up, I drop all sexy talk and go into completely platonic friend-zoney joking around.

        I look at it like basically triggering her ASD, and then allowing it to calm down before the meet-up so it’s not still ringing when the meet-up comes, ’cause then she’ll flake. So that follows your second part I quoted there, about not being explicit…once I know we’re going to meet up for sure, I stop being explicit, whereas when I was learning to do this, I’d keep being explicit and then be surprised when she flaked lol

        But once I get her and I in person, and I can isolate us, I can escalate hard and fast and it’s congruent to me (VS where your kitchen girl got freaked out), because I’ve already established earlier when I purposely set off her ASD with sex-talk, that that’s the kind of guy I am.

        So really these are just two different methods/approaches to gaming. If they were on charts of some kind, yours would look like a low horizontal line that takes a gradual smooth curve upward, and mine would look like a sharp huge spike at the start, followed by a long low horizontal line, then another sharp spike.

        Both methods are valid and we ARE actually following the same general key concepts (have logistics handled (whether it’s your way by having your life handled or my way by finding a stairwell), don’t trigger her ASD right before a date (whether it’s your way by never triggering it, or my way by triggering it and letting it cool off), etc.), I’m only posting this because you made absolutes about how the other method is only for hookers like you CAN’T be sexually explicit up front and I don’t want guys to think that they can’t if they’re still experimenting with what style of game fits their personality. 🙂

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      • Interesting take on broaching the slut-talk early then retreating into equivocation and conventional manners, before completing the promise made in the initial shock.

        It may not be relevant, but I think it’s related, and perhaps it is an indirect version of what you do. Curious if you have an opinion.

        After reading this game stuff earlier this year I modified my on-line profile with one sentence and my response rates went from 10-20% to over 50%. I do have a female type that I target, and I am selective about who I write. But still that was a discontinuous change, and shocking in its results. Suddenly I had more desirable dates than evenings. Then within a few weeks I had a soft-harem for the first time (I’ve always been a serial monogamist, if not just a monogamist).

        The change was this. I took my usual online profile, which describes a reasonably established guy who checks a few of the status and looks boxes. I added one line, and this is a paraphrase to constrain the googlers: “In relationship still I am a public traditionalist — I will get your chair, open your door, order your drinks — but in private, so to speak, I am not a submissive man and if that’s your style, I’m so not your guy.” BOOM! At the time, I had never introduced myself to anyone in respect of my sexual style: being a Good Man post-feminist male and all that. The effect was to immediately attract alpha females (my type) who were desperate to be dominated, and usually told me that in either the introductory email or on the first date. (Such talk I would note and then ignore.) The elliptical nature of the disclosure rang true for me, because public slut-talk is just not natural for me.

        But that one sentence … man. It appears to have been as clear as a bell to the cohort I was interested in: “Sure, I may own suits and take you to the symphony blah blah blah, but I will practice CH Commandment 14. Don’t bother me if that is threatening.”

        So, I’d get a 50% response rate, go on a date and be Gregory Peck and generate some comfort and tension, and half of them wanted to have sex on the first date. Half of those wanted to have sex immediately in the car. I couldn’t handle it, frankly. I pared back the group and dated one for several months, prior to my current hiatus for R&R and that thing called work.

        Incidentally, I had suspected and largely proven over about ten years that the higher the female alpha, the more she wanted to be (here it is again: paradoxically) dominated by her man. This exercise proved it 10-fold, without my investing several hundred bucks in pro forma ‘getting to know you’ dates before the girl was comfortable that I understood she “was not like that” and never had ONS and all the rest of that bullshit. Also, the dates were a lot more fun because we weren’t both playacting in service of a woman’s three-date rule. We all know they decide whether or not they want to have sex in the first 10 seconds, if not 5.

        As always, I note that I am older than most of the guys here and so my dating cohort likewise is 30+. I pull a few 20-somethings who want Daddy Game, but I consider those anecdotal.

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      • “I modified my on-line profile with one sentence and my response rates went from 10-20% to over 50%.”

        ” I added one line, and this is a paraphrase to constrain the googlers: “In relationship still I am a public traditionalist — I will get your chair, open your door, order your drinks — but in private, so to speak, I am not a submissive man and if that’s your style, I’m so not your guy.” BOOM!”

        lol ya, see here you’re doing what I do. Basically this line is making it known up front that you can “cross the line” into sexual conversation and being comfortable/open with sexuality in general.

        This can be done really blatantly like “personally, I love rough sex. I love manhandling a girl and tossing her around when we fuck.” in a discussion about sex (that you, of course, led the conversation toward, being a smooth player and all lol). Or you can do it really subtly, like “you should stay away…you seem like a nice innocent vanilla girl, and I would corrupt you.” where she can kind of infer what you mean. You can also do it in conversations with guys/girls you DON’T want to fuck, for the purpose of setting up a reputation and social proof etc, like “I don’t think your friend is my type…my last girlfriend was into spanking and a bunch of fucked up shit, I’m not really used to the nice sweet innocent girls.”

        This can also be longer than just a one-off sentence…it can be getting her horny over txts for a few hours one night while she’s in bed (I often txt past 10pm when I know she’ll be alone and going to sleep soon). Or it can be some physically aggressive stuff when we first initially meet (without actually making out with her, unless I’ve also had time to build a lot of comfort/rapport, because a makeout without enough comfort/rapport = ASD and flaking and can take forever to recover from because building comfort when her ASD is going off is tricky since she’s skeptical of everything you do/say, so you basically have to go completely asexual which is lame lol)

        These all accomplish the same thing: that initial spike (VS your longer-term smooth curve). But they all trigger ASD, so if you try to go for a meet-up while that ASD alarm is still going off, it’s too close to admitting they want sex, so they’ll have to flake on you. That’s why I cross the line, but don’t stay there…I back off and talk about normal shit and flirt normally, which lets the ASD settle. Once it’s settled, I can push for the meet-up and now, not only will she meet up, but the sexual nature of our relationship is very clearly established in the back of her mind…ergo I can talk like you did to your kitchen girl and it’s congruent and won’t freak her out.

        My game morphed into this over time mostly because I don’t like going on dates lol. I like them, in theory, but in reality I don’t want to spend money and I have a lot of shit to do with work and depending on my harem-size and/or primary-girlfriend status, I don’t want to invest 5 hours out at dinner and drinks. So I was looking for a way to cut out the need for a date between the initial meet and sex…making what’s essentially a Statement of Interest early on like this sets a frame (usually via txting) that I can escalate on quickly in-person. So even if I arrange for us to go on a “date”, I’ll tell the girl to come pick me up at my place (since I have no car, you see, lol) and buzz me.

        In advance, I’ve made sure during the initial sex-talk spike, I drop stuff like “you should be careful when we meet up…my way of saying “hi” involves pinning you against the wall, grabbing a fist-full of your hair as I pull your head back, nibble on your neck, and growl “hi there…” into your ear while you moan”. So that’s in the back of her head as congruent to me, and logically if she meets up with me, she’s consenting to that behavior. So when she buzzes my apartment, I come down to the lobby, pin her against the wall, and do just like I said. Then I keep making out, do some quick escalating, and lead her into my apartment to fuck instead of us going back to her car and going on some gay date lol

        But all of that is congruent to the frame I set from the start…whereas someone who’s playing the gentleman angle, where he legitimately sounds like he’s looking for a date/girlfriend/etc. and has been mostly asexual in his conversation beyond some basic flirting, doing that, would be totally incongruent and setting off all sorts of rapey ASD flags.

        To represent the extremes of the spectrum: A girl buzzing Russell Brand’s apartment expects to end up sucking his dick when he says hello. A girl buzzing Bill Gates’ apartment does not. lol

        The other nice part about all this is that I can set a lot of ground rules. Girls don’t show up for dates with me wearing flip-flops and their hair in a lazy ponytail like they just came from studying for an exam. I let them know up front in that initial sexual spike that I like sex, and girly-girls who doll themselves up etc. And that I’ll shut the door on them if they show up in a shitty outfit…that’s for other guys, not ME. And this, of course, sets off all sorts of ASD alarms etc…but once it’s all cooled down, and she DOES come over, she comes over like she’s going to a wedding lol A lot of guys just take what they can get with how the girl shows up, but I have particular tastes and this frame I set up allows me to specify them.

        “At the time, I had never introduced myself to anyone in respect of my sexual style: being a Good Man post-feminist male and all that.”

        I was actually this way myself for a lot of my PUA journey. But a lot of it was that 1) I didn’t think you could BE sexual and have it work, especially if that wasn’t natural to you (this is why I’m writing about my style in response to you, so guys reading your post are aware that they CAN learn to be sexual up front and make it work), and 2) I had to rewire a lot of social conditioning in my head and ACTIVELY head down this path to get here. I lost a lot of girls on the way as I learned how to calibrate it all…I had a lot of “kitchen girl” incidents myself, like you did. But where you went “wow fuck that, I’m sticking to the gentleman angle!”, I went “ahh shit, that was awkward…but I’ll tweak what I do and try again on this next girl”.

        Again I’m not coming down on you saying your method is lame or anything. You found a style that’s congruent to you and works consistently for you, so fuck it, don’t fix what ain’t broken if you don’t want to lol I’m just saying that the complete opposite approach CAN consistently work, if applied right. 🙂

        “The elliptical nature of the disclosure rang true for me, because public slut-talk is just not natural for me.”

        lol

        😀 In all seriousness though, it wasn’t for me either. I went through what Ross does in this clip lol It was super awkward for me to express myself sexually. It took a lot of work and rewiring to be as comfortable with it as I am now (TOO comfortable with it, in a lot of people’s opinions lol).

        “So, I’d get a 50% response rate, go on a date and be Gregory Peck and generate some comfort and tension, and half of them wanted to have sex on the first date.”

        Once you’ve established the sexual frame, you can back off and just be charming and build comfort (you MUST build comfort, in fact lol, to counter-balance the ASD). The elephant has been brought into the room, so no one has to acknowledge it…all you have to do is build some comfort and lead to isolation (aka your car) and, especially if she’s 30+, she’ll take charge and if she doesn’t, in general, the vibe is there for sex to happen naturally.

        I purposely escalate on the date, to create the second sharp spike of my graph, because I want shit to happen quickly before I have to go blow $30 on drinks I wouldn’t be drinking if I wasn’t on a date lol So in your experiment here, to bring it back to the style graph, you essentially made an initial sharp spike, then used a slow gradual curve up (so the ASD was able to cool off after the initial spike). Your gentlemanly style is no sharp spikes, just one long gradual curve up. My style is a sharp spike, flatline, and another sharp spike.

        Now did you just happen to run into the sluttiest handful of women in the world? Or did how YOU set the frame alter how comfortable SHE felt expressing her sexuality with you? 😉 This is why a lot of guys who are like “oh that girl who sucked your cock in the bathroom is a slut…this girl I have a crush on at work is a perfect angle, she would NEVER do that”. Ya, she wouldn’t. With HIM. Because he doesn’t set a sexual frame the way I do. A lot of my fuckbuddies end up “boyfriending up” when I won’t commit to a relationship and they go out on dates with other guys without putting out, even tho we fucked the first night. To those guys, the girl is a perfect angel, and she’ll never admit otherwise to them…but those guys aren’t laying a sexually comfortable groundwork down for her to be slutty with them the way she was with me.

        Those are the same guys who have the Madonna/whore complex and classify girls into sluts and good-girls. They’re all the same girl, it all depends on your approach and game.

        “I had suspected and largely proven over about ten years that the higher the female alpha, the more she wanted to be (here it is again: paradoxically) dominated by her man.”

        This generally aligns with what I’ve found. Often they shit-test the hardest too, because they know they NEED a man who can dominate the fuck out of them physically and mentally…fucking a guy who’d cave to her shit-tests is like us fucking a fat chick…just shame and disappointment and dissatisfaction lol

        I’d say it’s something like 70% of women like to be dominated and are completely submissive, 20% like to take charge now and then but also LOVE being dominated (often they’ll be aggressive for the purpose of turning sex into a “battle” so you can dominate them), and 10% always like to dominate (I’m just guessing on this one, I’ve only run into like 2 chicks like this but I’m sure there are more out there in fetish communities etc. lol).

        “This exercise proved it 10-fold, without my investing several hundred bucks in pro forma ‘getting to know you’ dates before the girl was comfortable that I understood she “was not like that” and never had ONS and all the rest of that bullshit.”

        lol ya. She has to do that “I’m not like that, I’ve never done this before” shit because she’s worried about being judged. If you say you’re a good Christian man, she knows you’ll judge her hard so she’ll have a TON of that “I’m not normally like this!” shit to do before she feels comfortable. If you don’t mention sex at all (your style), she doesn’t know if you will or won’t judge her so she errs on the side of caution and throws some of that out there. In my style, I make it very clear up front that not only do I not judge people for their sexual natures, but I ENCOURAGE them to express it and I actively DISlike girls who AREN’T comfortable being sexual…so I don’t run into much if any of that “I’m not that kind of girl” shit, because they feel like they won’t be judged and don’t have to qualify themselves to me.

        “Also, the dates were a lot more fun because we weren’t both playacting in service of a woman’s three-date rule.”

        To get gay and philosophical, this is actually a big part of my style of game. I hate all the fake bullshit we’re socially conditioned into…the 3-date rules, the “try to impress other people” fake personas at the bar, etc. I want to interact with the REAL person. Their core of who they are. So I do stuff like open with obnoxious outrageous offensive shit at a high-end classy party, because it shocks people out of their fake personas and forces them to react naturally. I’ll self-depreciate and share embarrassing/humiliating stories about myself in a venue where people are all pretending to be perfect and flawless, because that makes other people loosen up and share some of their faults, and I applaud them for it and make them feel good about opening up, and slowly the people around me start to lose their pretentious worries about what other people think about them, and we connect on a real, human level.

        Sexually, I’m connecting with the raw sexuality of the girl. I know what she’s thinking, she knows what I’m thinking, and it’s just “honest”. Even if we never hang out again, for that “makeout-seduction-fuck-cuddle” adventure, we are sharing something more honest and raw than most people will ever share, even with their significant others.

        I knew an 18yo who I could tell was curious about bondage, so I led her into exploring it. She loved it and it’s a huge deal to her. But then she “boyfriended up” and was so worried that telling him she wanted to be tied up and choked and spanked etc. would scare him off (since he was potential long-term Provider material to her), that she had to verrrrry slowly over the course of a few years, hint toward it and get him to try a little light spanking here and there etc. and to this day she probably still isn’t getting fucked by him the way I fucked her. So he’ll never really “know” her the way I know her…to me, that’s tragic, and the direct result of social conditioning.

        Anyway, hope that stuff clears up what happened during your experiment lol if I ever wrote a book on game, I would probably focus on this stuff because it’s not something a lot of guys explore. I know a number of actual PUAs who are still, to me, super repressed with being sexual…not because it’s the best way for them, but because they legitimately don’t realize they could be more sexual in their interactions and have it still work.

        But as long as what you’re doing works for you and gets you the results you want, fuck it. I say good on ya!

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      • Well, that’s the trick, isn’t it? It has been the most challenging part of seduction for me since I started learning in ’98. The “get her to agree to come back to your place” part. It’s so easy for her to say no, no matter how much of a good time she’s had with me. I don’t want to bitch and moan, but so many people just sort of gloss over this point like it’s easy. Come back for a bottle of wine, come back to see a movie, come back to see my photos of back home, etc. I know she wants to come but this is by far the most difficult part for me.

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      • I’m a game newbie, less than a year, but I’ve never had an issue with the ‘come home with me’ part. (I was a conventional beta wine-and-dine guy: 3-4 dates, then the big night.) It sounds like you’re being used, your address is very wrong, or there is some other exogenous problem. If you’re dating women and they do want to be with you sexually if you take them to a good hotel, or their house, but not at your house, might as well ask them by making a joke about it (“So, is there a reason why you treat me like a male escort and only sleep with me at the Intercontinental?”) But the only women I’ve known who didn’t want to come home with me were either restricted, LJBFing me, or out of my league.

        There could be a hidden cultural issue. When I was in Russia I stayed at decent hotels, and my girlfriend was treated like a common whore by the hotel staff; it was very difficult for her to wait for me in the lobby. They did not want her there. At one, they actually had published rules attempting to prevent unmarried liasons. When we started spending evenings together I first had to talk to the hotel manager to get them to back off, but even then it was cold cold cold. Of course, I was too fucking naive to understand that I was just supposed to spread some money around.

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      • i just simply tell them i have excellent whiskey and a great porch..

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  17. off topic… If a Word Press blog doesn’t have an Archive list on the right hand side of the page, how would one navigate to the first post of the blog? Thank you.

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  18. on September 16, 2013 at 12:02 pm Lucky White Male

    2 pm Eastern what is race of the dead shooter?

    A big mystery to the news media and govt who know everything

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  19. When a girl gets racy while texting, which is totally passive aggressive btw, and thus unleashes her true purposes, I just terminate the flirting with a ‘promises, promises’ response, wait for her escalating response (because she will escalate), change the subject, and ask her out some time in the next day or two if I’m interested. At that point I already know where things are going to end up. I mean, I know.

    My view is that slutty texts are signals that a poodle should be able to deconstruct, but it’s best to briefly challenge them and not act like you know what she is doing “because I’m not a slut” is rattling around in that brain, also. So I just challenge her intentions and then act like I don’t have time to tap tap tap on my little phone. (God, I hate texting.) I don’t recall receiving slutty or sexual innuendo-rich texts from someone who, for the price of a cocktail and a modicum of “of course you’re not a slut” respect, wouldn’t be feeling me up in the car. I just don’t know why a woman would go dirty on her telephone without a reason. Never seen it. I mean, two slutty roundtrips, and you can probably get some Facetime scenery, if that’s what you want.

    The text string in the example gave me a headache because it was so long. What’s the point of all the back and forth? There’s no magic sequence after which she’s going to say, “Okay. You pass. Let’s fuck.”

    I just ask myself: what is the information being presented here? when I get a text. Quite frankly, since women are so (publicly) self-denying in their sexual instincts, it’s usually, “Fuck me, and that would be especially nice if you let me pretend to be Audrey Hepburn while you do it.” This is true whether or not I get 10 texts about something I don’t care about, or I get a picture of an awesome new pair of tap pants, properly filled out. The less I text back, the higher the signal to noise ratio.

    I also don’t get all the talk about “isolation.” How else are you supposed to get laid? I don’t run with large groups so “isolation” isn’t a problem, and logistics aren’t an issue for other reasons.

    Net: if a woman gets flirty, much less sexually suggestive, while texting or emailing, it really doesn’t get much easier.

    I sound churlish today. Sorry about that. Maybe the issue is I date over-30, and they are easier to figure out.

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    • All solid mindsets/beliefs here. You’re also handling logistics without really realizing it (isolating a 30+ chick when you’re kind of a loner is easy, isolating an 18yo chick when you’re 30 is tougher lol).

      This is the most important part:

      “There’s no magic sequence after which she’s going to say, “Okay. You pass. Let’s fuck.””

      I have a lot of friends who do this. They’re waiting for the complete green light for the girl. For her to take charge and say “okay I want to fuck!” so they know its okay to proceed and they won’t risk rejection or looking like an asshole etc.

      But they don’t get that for a girl to take the lead is to go completely against her ASD and social programming. Even if she WANTS to fuck, unless she’s a very particular rare type of personality, she can’t say it flat out. All she can do is provide a window of opportunity that the guy has to pick up on and have enough confidence/experience to know he should create a situation where he has her in the same room, isolated, feeling not-judged, and then take the lead.

      But they’re waiting for the girl to go “oh ya??? All talk??? Ill show YOU who’s all talk, I’m going to show up at your door naked and stick your dick in me!!!!”

      In Amy’s case I can pretty much guarantee her player-friend was handling this stuff instinctively building up to her coming over, and she just doesn’t understand game enough to see that…and the guy himself might not even realize that he did it because a lot of naturals don’t consciously understand it. Like how the concept of isolating is obvious/natural to you, but you couldn’t run the same game if she showed up on your date with 5 of her friends, one who’s a dude that has a crush on her.

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      • Actually, my disagreement (befuddlement) with this logistics/isolation stuff is a priori: I think any guy contemplating sexual relations should postpone that thought until he at least rents 200 s.f. and can afford a mattress and some $100 sheets. I mean, really? I find this part of the discussion weird. If you can’t afford a studio apartment, you have larger problems requiring more immediate attention than getting laid. It’s not that big a deal. In my case, I ran away from home at 17 and moved to NYC (from the rural midwest, incidentally) — and got a job, a room, and a girlfriend. (It wouldn’t have worked out so well in the reverse order.) Presto: logistics. Isn’t this part of being an adult? I’m sort of mystified as to why this is tough.

        Anyway, I don’t see why being 30 and dating an 18 year-old is any harder than doing it when one is 18; I think it is a lot easier: If she’s interested she’ll be thrilled to have someplace to go besides the dorm room. You go to the dance, cut out the AMOG, dance with the girl, drink some punch and talk about english class, go for a walk, make out, see what’s happening on second base. “Do you want to see where I live?” Or, “I’m sick of that punch, I have a bottle of Riesling at my house, eh?” If she doesn’t want to make out, cut your losses, be matter of fact if not bemused, go back to the dance. Or not. There’s always another dance.

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        Totally on board with the compliance testing. One of my favorite hamster anecdotes was when a woman was egging me on with explicit sexual fantasy stuff (email and text, some skype teasing in which she demonstrated a toy, nude selfies, links to Daddy porn, everything implied in today’s anecdote) and was quite dirty — verbally — about it. We had had previously one or two sexual experiences in the flesh, but all the fantasy stuff emerged over telecommunications, which serves your points on “exposure” and “denial” and avoiding “judgment”. I tend to be observant in these situations (reticent), so I encourage but do not go crazy.

        So. She comes over for dinner and was fondling me in the kitchen while I cooked, lots of dry-humping against the counter that I would break off because I was “busy cooking”, I ask her what she’s really wearing and she bends over and flashes her panties. Very Bad Dad stuff going on. BUT. KEY POINT. She was just being a sweet thing with wandering hands. No longer was she being verbally dirty; she was just being polite and horny and properly proud of her hard little ass. So she asks me what we were going to do after dinner, and I broke protocol: “Well, I think I’m going to fuck you like that slutty homecoming queen you said you once were, many times.” BOOM! 5000W searchlight anti-slut airraid alert. It was like her mother had just walked in the room. She actually froze.

        It was salvageable, but I now leave the dirty talk and the “compliance testing” to the females. It’s too much work trying to figure out when they want to hold hands, and when they want to be spanked with a belt. If they want to be spanked, they prefer I act like Gregory Peck. If that’s the power they want, fine. Somebody else can figure that shit out. If they feel safe, they’ll let us all know which version of woman is in the room, just like the woman in the anecdote who is begging our hero to stop texting and start getting busy. The best sex I’ve had in my life was with an actress who is a model of propriety — in public. Not so in the dark, and by “dark”, that might half-a-block down Fifth Avenue from the party. It got so bad I worried about getting arrested. But with the lights on and people circulating at the party? Ice queen if she hated them, Jackie O. if she liked them. My job was just to figure out which human being I was with, and then dominate the proceedings.

        I think this is way easier today, incidentally, because the women have so much more power than in the past, they’re accustomed to sending signals when they want something. They aren’t just empowered, they’re tyrannical about their sexual impulses once they flip the switch. And the signals, post-switch, are not in semaphore.

        I really enjoy your comments Ya, and appreciate your taking the time with mine. Breaking down the so-called ASD here and in other posts has been very explanatory for me.

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      • “I think any guy contemplating sexual relations should postpone that thought until he at least rents 200 s.f. and can afford a mattress and some $100 sheets.”

        lol I rent a bedroom from a roommate and have $40 sheets (no way I’m spending bank on sheets, fuckin squirters).

        “If you can’t afford a studio apartment, you have larger problems requiring more immediate attention than getting laid.”

        ya, but says the guy who’s been laid. Tell that to the 21yo virgin who’s never been on a date or kissed a girl, you know?

        It’s not that you SHOULDN’T handle that stuff (I’m working on my financial shit myself right now), it’s that there’s no reason to wait until you handle it to start going out and fucking girls because it’s not necessary. That doesn’t even mean you have to be a bum…I’ve known med students who are studying constantly and racking up tons of student loan debt and won’t be able to pay that off for a long-ass time, who think they have to wait until they graduate and get established in their career (and get a condo, and nice car, etc.) before they can stick their dick in a girl lol It’s silly. They’re girls, just go talk to them and find somewhere to fuck them.

        “Anyway, I don’t see why being 30 and dating an 18 year-old is any harder than doing it when one is 18”

        No offense intended here, but when was the last time you’ve picked up an 18yo, especially off a cold-approach, and especially for a same-night lay? Like I’m not trying to be a dick or anything, but you’ve said yourself that you go for older chicks who handle half that shit for you. The dynamics of the average 18-23yo social circle’s connectivity and validation-stream has changed with the Internet, smart-phones, hookup culture, etc. The logistics of just getting them ALONE can be a fucking nightmare, especially when you’re older than their social circle who are still in “we have to go to the bathroom together” mode.

        “You go to the dance, cut out the AMOG, dance with the girl, drink some punch and talk about english class, go for a walk, make out, see what’s happening on second base.”

        …are you a time-traveller from the 1940s? lol

        I’m not giving you shit, but I honestly don’t think you understand what the culture with the kiddies is like these days. Past 25, and especially past 30, the dynamics change.

        “It was like her mother had just walked in the room. She actually froze. It was salvageable, but I now leave the dirty talk and the “compliance testing” to the females.”

        Wellllll, this more likely came down to your congruency. BECAUSE you weren’t verbally sexually aggressive, playing it cool and everything (which I agree for most guys is a perfectly good strategy), when you DID 180, it’s not that what you said was, in ITSELF offensive (especially given her love of the Daddy roleplay shit and all), it’s that saying it was incongruent to how she viewed you. So the incongruency freezes her up and makes you have to salvage it.

        It’s like when your super smooth player asshole buddy talks about “fucking bitches”, that’s cool, you expect that from him. But then Bob the skinny asian nerd from accounting who you’re all pretty sure is either gay or a 30yo virgin and who’s never talked about girls ever except to say that he “treats ladies with respect!” suddenly comes into work talking about “fucking bitches”. It’s not that “fucking bitches” offends/shocks you, it’s his incongruency. Similarily, the player guy suddenly coming in talking about being in love with a special girl and buying her flowers would make you go “umm…wat??” because it’s incongruent.

        None of this MATTERS, because you have a style of game that works for you and everything, don’t change it up. But just if you’re wondering what happened there, that’s the dynamic that probably went on. I know this because I say stuff like that all the fucking time to girls, and they’re cool with it…but I’m very congruent to it and where you back off and let them txt dirty things, I take their dirty txts and escalate them. It would be more weird to them if I DIDN’T say that stuff while we’re cooking dinner or whatever. I’ve choked girls up against the wall while growling that stuff into their ear in public lol but it’s congruent so they’re turned on by the confirmation that I am who they thought I was, instead of weirded out by it.

        “just like the woman in the anecdote who is begging our hero to stop texting and start getting busy.”

        She’s not, though. It’s a trap. She just wants him to TRY, but she’ll deny him and take the validation and run. That’s why he has to get her in the same room, isolate her, remove responsibility, etc. It would be different if her banging him wouldn’t bring her any group drama or anything.

        “They aren’t just empowered, they’re tyrannical about their sexual impulses once they flip the switch. And the signals, post-switch, are not in semaphore.”

        30+yo women, absolutely. 30+yo women will handle a ton of shit for you. They don’t feel guilty, their girlfriends will leave you guys alone and TELL them “go get laid, girl!” and cheer them on, they want to find a man because they can feel the wall coming on so they don’t have as much time to play games, etc. etc.

        But with <25yo women, it's still the ASD/LMR shit lol

        "I really enjoy your comments Ya, and appreciate your taking the time with mine. Breaking down the so-called ASD here and in other posts has been very explanatory for me."

        Ya I just want to make it clear that I'm not really disagreeing with you per say. I agree with most of what you're saying, especially applied to 30+yo women. I just think you're working a different "market" than a lot of guys, and extrapolating your experience there, downward to the younger ages, which unfortunately doesn't work out the way it logically should.

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      • I’ll take the ass-kicking on the sub-25 crowd, because while I have dated two in the past year, they were clearly freaks, and no basis for any robust insights. (My only counter is that I did just spend a week with a 23 year-old son — and his friends — and I didn’t really encounter anything different than what I knew at his age. The phone addiction and the internet narcissism/FB stuff is new, but I regard all that as ephemera. For example, my son uses electronic means less than I do; seems to be “cool” in his world.)

        I’m not convinced that a 21 year-old virgin is well-served not getting his financial and residential shit together before worrying about chicks. After all, it will elevate him and allow him better access to women if he does, while also building self-esteem and confidence in a more rational system than the system of random females. My son is the son of a fashion model/actress, and a competitive skier, so he has no trouble getting women, but we agreed it was time for him to have his own place and move out of the shared houses he’s been using. This will improve his work (writer) and improve his love life (privacy).

        And btw, if you’re willing to comment on my posts and sordid love life, bring it as hard and loud as you like, because it’s always informative. This stuff is changing my world.

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      • “I’m not convinced that a 21 year-old virgin is well-served not getting his financial and residential shit together before worrying about chicks.”

        You gotta’ put it into perspective:

        “My son is the son of a fashion model/actress, and a competitive skier, so he has no trouble getting women”

        If your son looks like this:

        …and he went on a few dates in high-school, maybe plays some sports, has good buddies and a social circle with some women in it, etc. then ya, he should focus on getting his financial and residential shit together.

        And I hope that if I have a son one day, I’ll be able to lead by example enough as his father that he’ll grow up like I just described and never need to visit a place like the Chateau.

        But if your son looks like THIS:

        …and he spent his high-school years in his bedroom on the Internet playing World of Warcraft, never kissed or touched a girl in his life, etc. then no, he should be out socializing and making friends and talking to girls and working on his grooming, fashion, health, etc. Otherwise he will end up a 25+yo with a nice job, stockpiling money that he doesn’t spend because on Fri/Sat nights he stays in to play X-Box instead of getting invites from friends to come out to events where he’ll meet and date attractive women.

        It is MUCH harder to learn to socialize at 25+, when you’re out of college and have lost your social circles, maybe moved to a new city, friends your age don’t go out and party as much because they’ve settled into relationships, you’ve picked up bad habits (like staying in to play Warcraft and eat cheetos), bars all feel (moreso to you because you’ve never really been out to them before) like a bunch of chaotic 18yos running around and you’re the creepy old 25+yo, etc. compared to when you’re 18-25.

        Ideally, a kid shouldn’t need any of this game stuff. He should be raised with solid male role models and encouraged to take an interest in things that promote masculine tendencies (sports instead of Warcraft, etc.) and generally led down a path where he’ll be a naturally attractive out-going social male who can meet a quality woman, where all he needs at 21 is a little privacy and a bit of income to supplement his already decent social life.

        These nerdy lame beta-male young-adults exist, and there are a ton of them out there. They can’t just be swept under the carpet and not addressed, they need legit help, and game, the red pill, the Manosphere, PUA, etc. can help them. 🙂

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  20. Yea at this point in the interaction texting is futile, you need to bring her home and see if she’ll go for the bang or not. It’s a yes/no answer, and the way to find out is to put her in a position that makes it easy for her.

    As I continue to come out of my Blue Pill shell, I don’t cease to be ASTOUNDED at how much of a dick you can be with girls and get away with it, PROVIDED I have demonstrated value. A Sampling:

    Girl: Perfect Day to catch up on all that sleep I didn’t get on Friday

    Me: Ya really. Or to work on those cooking skills

    Girl: Haha well…I can make a great lasagna! But that is about it. That’s good enough right?

    Me: Maybe for some guys haha

    Girl: Damn, I guess I will die an old maid

    Me: Don’t worry I hear cats are very good companions….

    Girl: I already have one! (sends pic)

    Me: Well you are halfway there then!

    Girl: I have known you a little more than 24 hours and you have already insulted me 4 times! Haha

    Me: I escalate quickly

    Girl: [blah blah blah] sorry I didn’t answer. I was COOKING

    Me: +1 [Thanks Danny!]

    Girl: (blah blah blah, eventually asks me when we can get together)

    If my blue pill self had read the “you have already insulted me 4 times” line, I would have instinctively said “Oh, I didn’t mean to, sorry about that” and I would instantly killed the cocky-funny vibe I had going–and it would have been no one’s fault but my own! Shit-test recognition should be a required high school class for men.

    Also I’d like to note that I am currently unemployed and told her this, yet still I convinced this girl and her friend to drive my friends and I home after meeting them in a bar at 3 a.m. and talking to them for 30 minutes. Game is the shit. And these girls were cute, 7s. I am unemployed (well, an entrepreneur) yet I have this girl understanding that if we were to go out, she would be cooking for me and be hitting the gym and watching her weight/figure (not that she needs to right now).

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    • Good stuff Keanu. Only critique is that the more witty banter you engage in, keep reminding yourself to get closer to the goal which is to meet-up. Your back-and-forth was great just be careful to avoid the trap of:

      “Ohhhh, I made her lol or get turned on with that text. Now time to do it 100x more times.” After a certain point, you risk blowing up the account or dancing your way into dancing monkey zone.

      Nice work overall!

      I tried this “naughty or nice” line on Saturday that ended up getting me the bang. This girl wasn’t gf material (cute enough for me to put a lot of time/effort into) but I’ll show the example. I will have to try it more but it def set the frame early on and when she came over, I was much more at ease knowing that her and I both knew the deal.

      A big issue for me as of late is properly escalating and knowing when a girl is into me. Saturday was somewhat of a game-changer as I’m surprised as how casual it all was.

      Overall I was more relaxed, more of myself and less gamey.

      Her: You seem like a guy that knows what’s going on in the city. Where can i watch the fight tonight

      Me: Yooooooo. Why don’t I have ur number in my phone. Who is this

      Her: Denise. We met a xyz bar you may not remember 🙂

      Me: Of course I do. My answer is going to depend on how you respond to my next question.
      Me: If we hang out tonight, are you going to be naughty or nice.

      Her: Hmmm depending on how great of a night you show me

      So yeah, I’ll have to try that line out some more. It can def blow up the account when you don’t have to but damn, when she showed up to watch the fight and I knew it was on; having the frame set made it a lot easier.

      She came over, music was bumping, drinks were on the counter, watched the fight with my buddies and was actually able to enjoy myself and not go out of my way for the lay.

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    • “If my blue pill self had read the “you have already insulted me 4 times” line, I would have instinctively said “Oh, I didn’t mean to, sorry about that” and I would instantly killed the cocky-funny vibe I had going–and it would have been no one’s fault but my own!”

      lol props dude. You now have a better understanding of women than like 90% of men. Even if you stopped learning game, understanding shit-tests and being able to hold your frame would lead to a better overall sex life than your former beta self would ever have had.

      Also the txts were good. I do similar stuff where I qualify her on dressing up, cooking, not drinking too much, hitting the gym, etc…meanwhile I hate cooking, only have a couple shirts and jeans, drink like a fish, and rarely work out lol. But because I frame things like I’m screening them for that stuff, they fall into the frame where if they want me they have to learn to cook, cut out drinking, dress up, hit the gym etc.

      That all said, immoral makes a good point about not getting trapped in a “she laughed!!” validation back-and-forth situ, because that will, over time, give her enough validation that she doesn’t need to meet up with you and/or loses attraction (ie – she has no fear of loss).

      Like this girl you posted txts from, your next txt session with her should be pushing for a meet up. Txt her something funny/flirty and get her state up in a good mood, then push HARD for meeting up. “Hmmm I think I’m going to have to judge these cooking skills for myself. Which night works better for you to cook me dinner, Wed or Thurs?” and just keep the mindset of “of course we’re going to hang out. Of course she wants to cook for me. Of course she wants sex.”

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      • “…and just keep the mindset of “of course we’re going to hang out. Of course she wants to cook for me. Of course she wants sex.”

        I’d take it a step further and think…do I want sex with her? Is she worthy?

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  21. Good stuff. Personally I keep texty texties short and won’t send more than 10 my way in a Convo. I’ll ping and send them little escalators. Getting them out is the key as once they are in my presence I use my dominance to take care of business. I see women as the weaker gender so it’s always been natural to be a bit of a bully, perhaps a bit of sadism?!

    Agree and amplify. Escalate sexually and reframe are the main rules to remember in texty game.

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  22. A little OT, but important for the testes watch:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130909172056.htm

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  23. on September 16, 2013 at 1:30 pm Frat Daddy Kane

    Uh… too much fucking talking. Chicks know within 5 minutes if they will bang you or not.

    2 date rule and less than 10 text rule should be applied for zero tolerance of attention whores.

    Also PUA alphas should ‘always be closing’. That means you dictate logistics and the terms for plausible deniability, hence suggest going over there and tell her to bring a hot friend. Asking her to do anything is amateur shit. Bring a bottle of wine, play sexy music/set mood and easiest 3P ever.

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  24. More comfort. Meet her somewhere with some plausible deniability then isolate/bounce. Give her a role/and or nickname like little cheerleader or something to play off of.

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  25. Young men from Afghanistan, Libya, the Arab world, etc., are learning weapons skills, urban warfare, tactics of intrigue and infiltration; they are armed and aim to take over cities and nations. Some have dreams of a world empire and are acting on it. They are defeating superpowers.

    Young men in America are discussing “text game” techniques. That is, when they’re not bronies and homos.

    LOL! American faggots!

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    • “Young men from Afghanistan, Libya, the Arab world, etc., are learning weapons skills, urban warfare, tactics of intrigue and infiltration; they are armed and aim to take over cities and nations.”

      Maybe they wouldn’t be so angry if they were getting laid. Lol

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      • they’ll get laid by 70 virgins after they blow themselves up

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      • If only sexual frustration was what ailed them, then we could have had a fighting chance against them. They can each marry up to 4 women, and have countless concubines. They get lots of sanctioned sex, and they’re in control of it; not women. So, they might actually be a lot less sexually frustrated than the average Western guy. Hence, it’s a false supposition that sexual frustration is the cause of their jihad. It’s not; it’s a religious dogma that has been infused into their psyche for 13 centuries. It’s almost impossible to fight this kind of mental strength.

        The irony is, the mere idea of bedding Western women once they win against the West, is also a driving force. We can glean this from their 72-virgin creed. Their culture is centered on the idea that bedding lots of women, and non-Muslim at that, is almost a tenet of the faith. This is why they sanction the men marrying non-Muslims, but the women can’t marry outside Islam. It’s very rare that a Muslim woman will marry a Christian man. When it does happen, an honor killing usually follows it. Even years later, if her family get a hold of her, despite her having kids with the non-Muslim, she still risks the chance of being murdered at the hands of her family. Islam controls all emotions and feelings, to the point a father or a brother can put love aside and kill his daughter or sister. It’s very hard for Westerners to fight against this type of rationale.

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      • The woman can agree that she doesn’t want her husband to take another wife when she marries him. There is a contract.
        The reason they permit Muslim men to marry non Muslim women is because the man is the leader, he is more likely to be able to persuade/convince the woman to convert to his religion. They believe their religion to be correct, so they feel they have a duty to convert others, taking wives from other religions and converting them. A Muslim woman is not permitted to marry a Christian man because they think, as her leader, he will convert her to Christianity, and they don’t want that, they want Islam to control the world.

        Why some Muslim men want to have sex with western women is not exclusively a Muslim thing. it’s very much a cultural phenomenon. Even in my culture many western women/tourists are seen as “loose” women, and easy, somebody to have sex with and then discard, where as the the local village women who go to Church are seen as the good women for the house. It is a fine example of this madonna/wh*re complex.

        Yes, Islam does control all emotions to the point of “honor killings”, and it is completely absurd. But there is hope, we have strong Christian men too, who don’t need to kill needlessly to uphold honor.

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      • “… Even in my culture many western women/tourists are seen as “loose” women, and easy, somebody to have sex with and then discard,…”

        well they are not entirely wrong…a large percentage of western women are loose women, promiscuous or even whores , and this trend is getting worse because of feminism and other forms of the mental disease we call “leftism” or “liberalism”

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      • Unfortunately, you are right. Women compete with men on all levels, even on the sexual plane, which has always been historically the male’s domain. It most definitely has been encourage by all the lefty diseased isms you mentioned.

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      • “The reason they permit Muslim men to marry non Muslim women is because the man is the leader, he is more likely to be able to persuade/convince the woman to convert to his religion. They believe their religion to be correct, so they feel they have a duty to convert others, taking wives from other religions and converting them. A Muslim woman is not permitted to marry a Christian man because they think, as her leader, he will convert her to Christianity, and they don’t want that, they want Islam to control the world.”

        100% correct, and very well said. This is exactly why they don’t permit the women to marry non-Muslims, but encourage the men to marry women of other religions. It’s called sex jihad. I give it a cutesy term, “peen jihad.” Unfortunately, most Americans don’t understand this concept as you presented it. I imagine you do, only because you have knowledge of Islam being form Cypress. People here have no idea the danger they are in.
        .
        “Why some Muslim men want to have sex with western women is not exclusively a Muslim thing. it’s very much a cultural phenomenon. Even in my culture many western women/tourists are seen as “loose” women, and easy, somebody to have sex with and then discard, where as the the local village women who go to Church are seen as the good women for the house. It is a fine example of this madonna/wh*re complex.”

        You’re partially right. it’s true western women have become sport for men from all races to pump-and-dump at will. But there is something extra in it for Muslim men. They love blondes. They have a strong lust for blondes. Nothing gives them more pleasure than to bed blonde-haired blue-eyed women. It’s a status symbol for them, even if the woman could be the biggest ho and not much of a prize. They love to swim in pussy, if that’s possible. Hence, the 72-virgins-per-shahid myth.

        In addition, Muslim men are very successful at bedding/marrying blonde-haired blue-eyed women (and brunettes too) because they are very aggressive. Middle Eastern love is much different from Western love. It’s masculine; it’s aggressive; it’s non-yielding; it’s goal oriented. Western love is more about respecting the woman, while Middle Eastern love is about the man achieving his goal in respect to the woman. That’s why Muslim men are successful at bedding Western women. They are aggressive and they don’t stop pursuing until they get what they want. Western men stop pursuing the moment the woman shows light resistance. That’s why Muslim men win.

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      • yer such a good bullshitter Lily. still not convinced your a girl

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      • LOL! Believe me, I am. And, I have also been the target of Muslim men. They love them blondes. Maybe the reason I sound like a man is that I share much of my father’s opinions. I mean, he’s always been my number one teacher.

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      • In order to marry in most Muslim countries the man has to have a house furnished and a certain amount of money saved before he can seriously approach a girl’s parents. Only wealthy men can afford several women.

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      • I said they could each marry up to 4 women, not that they all do. Meaning, they have options that Western men don’t. In the Gulf States, many have concubines and sex slaves too. Some of the sex slaves are poor girls from their own culture, not from Thailand or whatever. Sometimes, families give the girls away, and other times they just kidnaped them. I once read an article about an Arab woman who was ecstatic at the fact she got her son (who is 14) his very own sex slave.

        Anyway, many marry more than one woman, and they have no real wealth. Usually, when a man is in his 40s, he’ll take on another younger wife, and convince his first wife to reconsider and alter the marriage contract. That’s why they go on government benefits in France, Canada, etc. They marry one woman legally, and the other or others they marry according to Muslim sharia law. This means he’s married to all of these women according to Islam, but for secular law purposes he’s only declaring one wife.

        Clever isn’t it? They have all the tools to circumvent our culture and never Westernize. They are among us to change our culture and Islamize us. Wise up!

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      • The vast majority of Muslim men are not able to marry because there are no jobs. No job, no apartment or savings, and no wife. Moving to Europe or Canada may change that dynamic because the dole will substitute for a job perhaps, but most are frustrated both in terms of finding a decent job as well as in being able to marry. Those who make it to Europe or Canada are also considered to have reached the promised land and are better off than average.

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      • If you believe this, you’re drinking Muslim Kool-Aid.

        First, not all that come here are poor. The 9/11 terrorists all came from wealthy families. So that blows your theory.

        Second, their poverty (if it’s the case for some) is only a secondary reason they come to the West. They come here chiefly as emissaries for Islam. Each one of them thinks of himself/herself a jihadist, a soldier in the holy war of Islam to spread the words of the “prophet.” Srsly, wake up!

        Wait, I forgot; NZs and Muslims are kindred spirits in their joo hate. There is a signed treaty between Uncle Adolf and the Mufti of Jerusalem to destroy all the jooz. That’s why you antisemites are sticking up for them in all of your n-NZ websites, and trying to minimize the threat directly at our doorstep. I call foul! What you say has no credibility.

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      • @ Jochen the vast majority of American Protestant men are not able to marry because our womenz have been brainwashed into thinking they don’t need no manz and menz are evil or “creepy” if they are normal and nice and good looking without tattoos and have a steady job.

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      • This is exactly why you need to STFU. You suck at math. What’s the ratio of men to women over there? You just told me it’s 4 women to every man. Oh, that’s not what you said? You want to back track?
        If a significant population of men is getting 4 women then that leaves shit for the rest. Those rest who are not getting pussy are going to be ticking time bombs and ripe for seduction into a cummunity that promises 72 virgins after they kill themselves. If they were getting laid they wouldn’t agree to that BS. Polygamy is good for women but BAD for men. Look it up.

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      • NOFX – “72 Hookers”

        They don’t hate us, they just hate their lives
        And desperate people learn to despise
        The suicidal’s don’t want to coup
        They don’t want to blow up, they just want their 72

        72 virgins can never stop a war
        But a 100,000 hookers can beat the Marine Corps
        In stopping hatred, fighting will cease
        When everyone is getting blow jobs
        That’s when we’ll finally have world peace

        How many million men have been killed in foreign wars?
        We need to reinstate the draft, enlist a million whores
        Start with the sororities and then all the spring breaks
        Ship the girls gone wild to Afghanistan
        They’ll gladly blow the sheikhs

        These holy wars aren’t holy, it’s not the military complex
        Terrorists are 16 year old kids who were promised Jihad sex

        Maybe if they could see a woman’s face
        They might not get onto that plane
        With a bomb in their suitcase

        72 virgins can never stop a war
        But a 100,000 hookers can beat the Marine Corps
        In stopping hatred, fighting will cease
        When everyone is getting blow jobs
        That’s when we’ll finally have world peace

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      • No, I was actually very good at math. It was my strongest subject.

        Your reaction is a direct result of not understanding their religion and mentality.

        If you think their jihad is just about sex, then you are a simpleton. It’s a religious dogma that has been infused into their psyche for 13 centuries. It’s almost impossible for Westerners (who lack discipline) to fight this kind of mental strength.

        If their issues were about getting laid, we would have had them wrapped a long time ago.

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      • Most of them don’t.

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      • From the rawness
        http://therawness.com/page/19/

        According to the Oxford University sociologist Diego Gambetta, editor of Making Sense of Suicide Missions, a comprehensive history of this troubling yet topical phenomenon, while suicide missions are not always religiously motivated, when religion is involved, it is always Muslim. Why is this? Why is Islam the only religion that motivates its followers to commit suicide missions?

        The surprising answer from the evolutionary psychological perspective is that Muslim suicide bombing may have nothing to do with Islam or the Koran (except for two lines in it). It may have nothing to do with the religion, politics, the culture, the race, the ethnicity, the language, or the region. As with everything else from this perspective, it may have a lot to do with sex, or, in this case, the absence of sex.

        What distinguishes Islam from other major religions is that it tolerates polygyny. By allowing some men to monopolize all women and altogether excluding many men from reproductive opportunities, polygyny creates shortages of available women. If 50 percent of men have two wives each, then the other 50 percent don’t get any wives at all.

        So polygyny increases competitive pressure on men, especially young men of low status. It therefore increases the likelihood that young men resort to violent means to gain access to mates. By doing so, they have little to lose and much to gain compared with men who already have wives. Across all societies, polygyny makes men violent, increasing crimes such as murder and rape, even after controlling for such obvious factors as economic development, economic inequality, population density, the level of democracy, and political factors in the region.

        However, polygyny itself is not a sufficient cause of suicide bombing. Societies in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean are much more polygynous than the Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. And they do have very high levels of violence. Sub-Saharan Africa suffers from a long history of continuous civil wars—but not suicide bombings.

        The other key ingredient is the promise of 72 virgins waiting in heaven for any martyr in Islam. The prospect of exclusive access to virgins may not be so appealing to anyone who has even one mate on earth, which strict monogamy virtually guarantees. However, the prospect is quite appealing to anyone who faces the bleak reality on earth of being a complete reproductive loser.

        It is the combination of polygyny and the promise of a large harem of virgins in heaven that motivates many young Muslim men to commit suicide bombings. Consistent with this explanation, all studies of suicide bombers indicate that they are significantly younger than not only the Muslim population in general but other (nonsuicidal) members of their own extreme political organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah. And nearly all suicide bombers are single.

        Now STFU, Lily.

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      • Keep believing this nonsense. That’s why we in the West are destined to lose to Islam, namely because of this kind of retarded thinking.

        University professors from a major lefty university in one of the most notoriously liberal nation on earth, is not an expert.

        If you want to understand Islam, read Bernard Lewis. He’s also an Englishman, but he isn’t drinking Islamic Kool-Aid, even though he’s not as accurate as embracingourfemininity is.

        The crazy theories that are posted here daily are a microcosm of the thinking in the West.

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      • I think you’re reading too much into them.

        They’re all talk and shit walk.
        They are like us in so many things that you wouldn’t believe.

        Yet Islamic world is large so when you see something that doesn’t fit into our way of conduct it is pinned at them all.

        You know for example what have Syrian sunni fighters said(and is indicative of general attitude): We thought Americans will help us, but they haven’t, now only Allah will help us in war.
        Such beliefs are not held by those who, i don’t know, have a commitement to “islamic tradition instilled in them for 13 centuries” and so on, that’s only legends.

        They want to live good, but they fear God of islam, and don’t know how to reconcile those two. What also is the thing that makes them the way they are, is the mentality. It’s hard to explain. You just feel something is right or wrong, you simply dislike something like qeer thing or being dominated by women or so on… But it can change and it can change very quickly, look at America itself. in just two or three decades how much have attitudes of society changed!

        These Arabs don’t are not that much different.

        Honor killings? You’ve got to be kidding me. Mybe Afghan talibans or Saudi tribesman but like 90% of them, certaintly not.

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      • West is never going to lose to Islam, at least not permanately.

        They had Spain, and whole of the Balcans and where are they today?

        You can say Egypt, North Africa, Turkey were also Christian – but ther’s surprise . they were never west.

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      • “Honor killings? You’ve got to be kidding me. Mybe Afghan talibans or Saudi tribesman but like 90% of them, certaintly not.”

        Why are you looking far away? How about honor killing right here in the USA? It’s happening here.
        .
        “West is never going to lose to Islam, at least not permanately.”

        Don’t be so sure. Look at the what’s going on in Europe. Seriously people, wake up. You can’t be this ill-informed.

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    • on September 16, 2013 at 3:59 pm gunslingergregi

      Some american killed someone from the arab world while you wrote that prob

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    • on September 16, 2013 at 4:20 pm haunted trilobite

      Poor and impoverished rats on the bottom rungs of the 3rd world have their societal norms, civilised folk have theirs

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    • on September 16, 2013 at 10:20 pm Operation Reinhard

      You’re implying Islam is a threat. Hint: there’s already a tribal/ethnic group (?) with world domination right now (using and have used weapons, intrigue, and infiltration as you mention). And it ain’t teh eevul Mooslims.

      To your point. Having “game” is key to defeating the zhids. Whites have been emasculated by Freudian/Marxism/Boasian/Holocaustianity/Frankfurt school filth and other zhid inventions. That is inarguable. So you kind of want to reverse that.

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      • If Dershowitz and Marcuse took your balls there’s not much that could have been done for you in the first place, and you kind of deserve where you are.

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      • @ Operation Reinhard

        “You’re implying Islam is a threat. Hint: there’s already a tribal/ethnic group (?) with world domination right now (using and have used weapons, intrigue, and infiltration as you mention). And it ain’t teh eevul Mooslims.”

        Blah, blah, blah…..the usual nonsense. Some of you stupid antisemites see the joo as a threat and attribute to him idiotic fantastical superpowers, while you can’t see the real threat under your own nose. When it all falls on your head, I’ll be laughing at you and reminding you of the imaginary Freudian/Marxism/Boasian/Holocaustianity/Frankfurt school you were hissing about in every thread.

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      • lol “Operation Reinhard” were SS guys attending sexting seminars in the 30’s or centering their lives around how to approach sluts in Weimar era bars

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      • Jews have always been a threat to us.They actually have managed to destroy one great empire in 20 century already: Russia (most of the revolutionaries in 1917 were jews including Lenin whose mother’s surname was Blank).
        This is why so many Europeans are antisemitic.
        Americans would never understand this,since USA is basically a jewish country.

        But this does not cancel the statement that islam is a threat.

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      • In Europe there are so many Muslims. Maybe this is why others cannot understand that it is a threat. I went in UK I walked in the city and I was handed so many Islam leaflets. I went to an engagement party of Muslims and 1 Muslim person suggested I remove my cross necklace or tuck it in my dress so people don’t see and get offended. But why I should have removed my cross? I would never ask a woman to remove her hijab. I know another woman who got in trouble in her work place for taking a drink of water in front of some Muslims during Ramadan. It’s madness. I have met many decent Muslims, but the way it is in many places in Europe now, we feel we are walking on broken glass, in case we say something that may be perceived as “islamophobic”. And to make it worse we don’t have many practicing young Christian men left, it sometimes seems the vast majority of devout young men left in Europe are the Muslims.

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      • As western men are beaten into submission by the feminization of our society, the vacuum is being steadily filled by Islam. Hundreds of thousands of western women are being converted to Muslim servitude every year.

        Ironically the overwhelming success of the feminist movement could very well end with their own enslavement or as they would put it, re-enslavement . Only this time it will be real… women being stoned to death in what’s left of time square?

        ALF

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 6:08 pm haunted trilobite

        Better to sport a set of moobs and stand a fighting chance in the afterlife, than to be led into the snake pits of hell by the false profit Muhommonid

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 1:57 pm Operation Reinhard

        They’re a threat because they’re Turd World scum. Doesn’t matter what religion they are. Blacks in JewSA commit horrific crimes against Whites daily (hushed up by the zhid-owned junkmedia), and they aren’t Muslims.

        The kwanservatards would have you believe everything would be okay if they all just converted to Christ-insanity. Very funny, guys.

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      • WTF are you talking about? Can you make a coherent statement, or is it just the Jooz are evil bullshit?

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      • What’s really a threat is the rate at which Islam is growing. I don’t hate people from any Religion, what really scares me is the number of places preaching fundamentalist hate, and the young men getting brainwashed. They will spread their message through violence, they believe the the Last Day will not come until every person in every household in the world have come to know of Islam. And people get annoyed with evangelist Christians!

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      • Oh My! You really understand them, don’t you? You seem to have your finger on the real danger the West face.

        “They will spread their message through violence, they believe the the Last Day will not come until every person in every household in the world have come to know of Islam.”

        Truer words were never spoken. I have said it myself. Their plan is world domination, whether they do it through the sword or through the peen. They immigrated to the West for a purpose, to be emissaries for Islam; not because they love freedom or the Western lifestyle, as some here in the US think.

        Each one of them is in the West on a mission to spread Islam.

        Some European are so hatful of jooz, they can’t see the real threat. Especially, the commentators here. Most of them are from German or Eastern European extractions, which historically have been very antisemtic.

        They are beating a dead horse, while overlooking the real threat of Islam.
        This is going to bite them in the butt one day. It will be God’s joke on them. It’s a sin to attribute blame to the wrong party, like bearing false witness, while letting the guilty walk scot-free. Eventually, the guilty come after you. It’s karma.

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      • Your constant assertion (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary) that the Joows are blameless innocents in the rise of militant Islam, is at best deluded misinformed loyalty to your own kin.

        ALF

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      • FYI, the jooz don’t want Islam in Europe. The Muslims threaten them too. There isn’t a day that goes by without some violence against jooz in Europe at the hands of Muslims.

        Now, just because some jooz are self-hating and support liberal immigration policy (usually a small number of such jooz in Europe), doesn’t make it the policy of all joory.

        That’s a fact, not delusion. You people are delusional if you think Jooz support Islamic immigration. Your opinions are clouded by your own joo hate.

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      • I know quite a lot about Islam, I have read a lot about it.I think it’s important we find out about the beliefs and mindset that are influencing certain actions. I felt compelled to learn about their religion for the obvious reason that Turkish Muslims invaded Cyprus in 1974 and desecrated many Churches and Monasteries, turning them to Mosques, and the many other acts of terror fundamentalist Muslims have committed. This impacts the people a lot, and motivates some to find out what their Religion teaches, that could possibly back up such horrible acts. Like this be-heading in London earlier in the year, the bloody ax-wielding convert shouting Allahu Akbar the whole time, it is sickening. I wanted to find out about it to discover what really justifies Holy War from their teachings. They do believe they must spread Islam, because they believe it to be right, and fundamentalists know no limits to which they will go to spread their message. Many Muslims are peaceful good people, who have just arrived at the wrong conclusion of who to worship, because they reject Jesus Christ as savior. But some of their teachings are crazy in my opinion, that’s the conclusion I have reached anyway. A part of me pities the respectful, peaceful ones, because often times people just follow the religion they grow up with. If somebody is born in a Muslim country, without much exposure to Christianity, the chances are they will remain Muslim unless they find out about Christendom and come to accept it. And we can’t help where we are born. The disgusting part is the bloodshed caused by many of them, and the complete lack of respect for our Religion and faith, If I tell a Muslim about Christianity and they don’t want to be guided, what can I do? I’m not going to force them with, I’m going to love them and pray for them, and maybe God will guide them.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm Operation Reinhard

        The zhids and their White traitor pets (educated in zhid ideologies like Marx, Boas, Frankfurt school, etc.) are letting them into Europe. In the same fashion they let in Turd Worlders to the U.S. The Whites see how disgusting these people are (and it’s not because of their religion, it’s because of their race), and that gets them all riled up for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The zhid-owned junkmedia does a great job of it.

        There is a bit of chutzpah when the Muslims in Europe commit “anti-semitic” acts. Talk about a dog turning on its owner. Thankfully there aren’t many zhids left in Europe anyway (no, not because 6 million of them died, because they moved to JewSA and Izzyhell).

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      • “I felt compelled to learn about their religion for the obvious reason that Turkish Muslims invaded Cyprus in 1974 and desecrated many Churches and Monasteries, turning them to Mosques, and the many other acts of terror fundamentalist Muslims have committed.”

        Very true. They do this all over the world. They take over other religions’ holy sites and claim them as their own. I was making this point to someone else in one of the recent threads. The Temple Mount in Jerusalem is not a Muslim holy site; it’s jooish. The Muslims are occupiers.
        .

        “Like this be-heading in London earlier in the year, the bloody ax-wielding convert shouting Allahu Akbar the whole time, it is sickening. I wanted to find out about it to discover what really justifies Holy War from their teachings. They do believe they must spread Islam, because they believe it to be right, and fundamentalists know no limits to which they will go to spread their message.”

        Excellent observation! There are no limits to which they will go to spread their religion because they truly believe it’s the only religion. They are in complete competition with every other religion on earth. They’re fighting the Christians in Europe and America, and they’re fighting the Jooz in the Middle East. They have no claim to either Europe or Israel. These are not Islamic lands. The Muslims are thieves, plain and simple. They have done nothing but conquer or steal for 13 centuries.

        Jerusalem is ground zero in this war, specially the Temple Mount. Any win for Muslims anywhere in the world, is another nail in our coffin.

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      • LOL! I knew you idiots would post this notorious propaganda youtube video of one Joo’s opinion, not to mention taken out of context. It’s a whole hour program, where is the rest of it? You base your entire opinion on what one lefty Joo thinks.

        In how many threads have you posted this fraudulent video?

        I reiterate. Jooz don’t want Muslims in Europe. They have been on the receiving end of much of Islamic aggression in Europe, and they are terrified of them. Do you know for example what’s going on in France, Belgium, and the UK, as far as Jooz are concerned? They are afraid to walk in the streets. As usual, your analysis is off.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 6:36 pm haunted trilobite

        It’s easy to understand the situation when you’re having your nose pushed into it, the same way a puppy learns quickly. America has something like 1% shoe-bombers, so it’s not as overt. Countries like france, germany and england are closer to 10%. At 1% they’re law-abiding, pleasant devotees of the ‘religion’ of ‘peace’. When it gets closer to 10 they make serious noise-campaigning for religious rights, mosques, etc. They bring violent revolutions in to play too, as evidenced with the recent race riots in Paris over burkas. Sharia law is brought in as the percent of population increases, and you get pretty much 100% in Islamic republics such as Iran. It’s a political strategy, rather than a religion. I’d say you’re harking over the past-the Germans hate the muslims who are swarming into their country like rats. You’re defending your religion, using terms like God’s revenge, but when it comes to religious intolerance, the jews have a lot to answer for for getting offended at the sight of Christmas trees in America. Anyway, you’re way off the mark – the ‘jewish’ power structure in Europe is sanctioning this mass influx of African immigrants and halal hatred, in order to stir up chaos. Out of the chaos will emerge order: the new world order, and the open reign of the reptiles will begin.

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      • Bullshit!

        “They will spread their message through violence, they believe the the Last Day will not come until every person in every household in the world have come to know of Islam.”

        Only Saudi Arabia is actively engaged in that type of things, and they are engaged in it when they are not bussy making money.

        Muslims came to west because they really did want to escape their home countries, and Islamic emmisaries they are just along the way.
        Yeah they are voicfull about it, but that’s because that is their only guarantor of the idenitity. It’s nothing special.

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      • What’s really a threat is the rate at which Islam is growing. I don’t hate people from any Religion, what really scares me is the number of places preaching fundamentalist hate, and the young men getting brainwashed.
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        Thats because most conversions take place in prison; when guys are down on their luck, abandoned, and nobody cares about them…

        Thats when the Imam approaches them because he knows Western culture has too many “distractions.

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    • You faggots are missing the point! This isn’t about Islam as such. Sperg online gays talking here about Muslim marriage and virgins and “they ain’t getting dey OWN is why they gotta blow stuff up” and this kind of thing. Then this guy with how nebbish academic Jewish professors and accountants emasculated his pepo. (Hey if you can be subdued that easily without a shot fired then you deserve everything that happens to you, because that’s less than a faggot slave who lets that happen. So if American whites were conquered by the likes of Dershowitz and Marcuse then what dis say about them?)

      And I’m not “implying” anything, al Qaeda is fucking awesome these are young guys getting together and taking over cities and countries and fighting and plotting things. They’re not fretting about how to sext or how to approach some Prozac-ed office whore in a bar. The Pashtun are fucking supermen who defeated your country in a 10 year war because you’re all gay. And you guys are online talking about sexting some slore, or otherwise you’re outright fags or bronies.

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  26. “He lived with me three years,” Suthamtewakul said Monday afternoon. “I don’t think he’d do this. He has a gun but I don’t think he’s that stupid. He didn’t seem aggressive to me.”

    Lololzzozzz. Sutzhamzzeazkkukl zz. advertises her hamster

    Alexis worked at times as a waiter at Happy Bowl, customers said. They described him as friendly.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/16/3630942/fort-worth-tx-man-accused-in-washington.html#storylink=cpy

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  27. Quick question:

    Had some girl call me in the middle of the night last night, looking for me to be a shoulder to cry on. She opens with, “So I’m feeling pretty shitty… I just got my heart re-broken by my first love.”

    I just told her I wasn’t an emotional tampon, and told her good night. I’m confidant in my action, but just want to be sure this was the right move to make.

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  28. It is well known that american men have no friends. But this one was perplexing…
    Does it also classify as white knightery?

    Exec summary: Hidden cam catches girls drugging rich date’s drink. Random dudes who see this do shit about it

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    • A stripper took me for 6k one night and almost got me beat to death by the bouncers but my buddy stepped in and violently got me out of there. Roofied my drink. Only remember the most vivid flashes. Yes I was a naïve young prick who deserved it because I flashed big money at a strip joint. Lesson is don’t handle big cash around girls or do strip clubs or date badgirls if your game is not airtight.

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    • White knightery? No. These men’s actions or rather no-actions are not designed to gain anything from her.

      I think that this is just more evidence that western men have been so brow beaten by the feminist agenda that they are now too afraid to pull women up on anything.

      I’ve noticed that women have now become so unused to hearing anything even slightly negative about themselves (especially by men) that they tend to totally over react on the rare occasion it happens.

      ALF

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  29. Lolozzzz. http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/a/SB10001424127887324665604579079501712799442?mg=reno64-wsj

    Protestant? Lplozzzzzlolozz. Ya right. Fat chance.

    Money controls the world. Who controls the money? Lololzzz

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  30. LoloZz. http://www.forbes.com/sites/leonardburman/2013/09/16/janet-yellen-and-the-glass-ceiling-at-the-fed/

    Indeedsszzz CH I have noticed a glass ceilingz at da Fedz!!! All da normal white men keepsz hitting der headszz on it!!!!

    I noteceszzed the same glass deolongsz. Ceilings at all the law firms too!!!!

    Lololzzozzz.

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  31. I smell butthurt

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8

    “Inside Red Pill, The Weird New Cult For Men Who Don’t Understand Women”

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  32. Sadly for those of us who are sane, the Left’s Desire for the Effeminate Male is one step closer to reality,

    http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2012/11/29/highlights-from-the-gender-neutral-swedish-toys-r-us-catalogue/

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    • on September 17, 2013 at 7:56 am RappaccinisDaughter

      You can’t use toys to feminize little boys. Let ’em try. Watch what happens. You can walk a little boy into a roomful of kitchen toys and dollies, and he’ll take the boxes they came in and pretend they’re spaceships. He’ll bite a piece of pizza into a gun shape, point it at the dollies, and go “pow pow pow.”

      Depending on their moods and temperaments, some boys do “play quieter” than others, but even then…they’re going to be doing truly gender-neutral things like coloring, reading, building Lego stuff and so on.

      SOURCE: Before I was old enough for a “real” job, I did a lot of babysitting. I still do it for friends of mine who have kids, so they can have nights out or whatever. Yes, the childfree-by-choice woman babysits—and I’m actually really good at it.

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    • @CF

      I have said this before, the left wants to erase gender?
      Some depraved lefties think that if we obliterate gender, all human conflict would be erased, and equality would become a reality.

      @RP

      Your experience is right on the money. I heard it from many liberals who tried this experiment and failed. I had a crazed liberal professor in college who told us he tried it with his son because his wife is such a feminist, and they couldn’t believe gender is a product of nature, not nurture. It took them time to accept it. Stupid idiots!

      That said, did anyone see a boy cleave onto ”feminine” toys? I don’t think so, which is another tell sign that homosexuality is a product of nurture – it’s a choice. Of course, homosexuals say they are masculine, they just like to fuck men. Who buys this?

      Despite gender being a product of nature, not nurture, many crazies on the left still try to obliterate gender. They won’t quit until they destroy the society. In Sweden, men urinate sitting down. In CA, high school students can choose which gender they want to declare, and they can change at will. Many are one gender in school and another at home. Gender reassignment is targeted at the youngin. The left is trying to format brains, and that can only happen in youth. Some schools even ask kids to explain why they are heterosexual. They don’t ask the homosexual kids this question, implying something is wrong with heterosexuality.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 9:23 am RappaccinisDaughter

        As I’ve mentioned before, I have some gay boyfriends. They run the gamut from very straight-acting and traditionally masculine, to kind of fey, to actual transsexualism. And I’ve had conversations with all of them about what they were like, and what they liked to do, when they were kids.

        The straight-acting ones played with “boy” toys as children and continue to pursue masculine hobbies as adults. (One of them is hell on wheels with a shotgun and regular range buddy of mine.)

        The “fey” ones are kind of all over the map, but most of them report that they preferred to play with their sisters and their sisters’ friends, and participated in playing “house”-type games with enthusiasm.

        The transsexual (MTF) reports dressing up in “her” mother’s clothes and jewelry at the age of four—long before “she” was even old enough to understand was sex was, or have more than the barest idea of how girls and boys are different.

        This is part of why I believe that homosexuality in many if not most instances is a product of nature.

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      • The thing is, I don’t take gay men’s word at face values. It’s often self-serving, and self-convincing. It seems they try hard to convince their families they couldn’t help it. That removes their family’s judgment in most instances.

        I accept homosexuality only in the circumstances a person was born with female sex organs internally, while having male sex organs externally. In those cases, there is a scientific basis for it. In all other instances, I call foul!

        Anyway, since you have access to an unusual number of gays, lol, you should press them about their early childhood. Get into conversations about their early memories and see when did the homosexual feelings really start. Did it really start at age 3, as some claim (never mind that most people don’t remember much at age 3), or at puberty. Also, find out how many have been sexually abused. You might be able to do an unofficial experiment of your own. You might be shocked at what you find.

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 10:56 am RappaccinisDaughter

        Actually, none of them report having been abused sexually, although that’s not necessarily the sort of thing most people talk about, even with close friends. All of them say that they knew very early on that they were different, although frequently they didn’t even really understand what sex was or how, precisely, they were different. All of them say that they knew they were attracted to other boys by the time they were eight or so.

        On the other hand, many of the lesbians I know admit freely that they were attracted mostly to men when they were younger, or to both women and men. Some of them were even married to men for a time. Some of them now identify as lesbian but will still check out dudes.

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      • LOL! I always wanted to ask this. How do you get along with lesbians? Do they try to hit on you?

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      • on September 17, 2013 at 12:58 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Erm, yeah. And they tend to be repeat offenders. They’ll hit on me, I’ll decline, tell them I’m straight, LJBF, they’ll apologize and agree, several months will go by, I’ll think everything is cool, and then they have one too many G&Ts and–boom! she’s trying to play footsie with me under the table again, goddamnit.

        And let me tell you, lesbians can be really, really aggressive. Like the way a drunk guy can be aggressive, only they have no social conditioning that says they’re not supposed to be too forward or creepy. I’ve actually had to “soft next” (love that phrase, by the way) a few out of my life because it just got too uncomfortable.

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      • Haha! I knew it. I knew lesbians are probably very aggressive.
        I love your insight, BTW.

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  33. on September 16, 2013 at 11:39 pm gunslingergregi

    largest civilian helicopter mission since Hurricane Katrina scoured the state””””””””

    so they got 21 helicopters flying around Colorado and shit (doesn’t seem like that many) anyone want to ride on the 22nd one he he he
    gonna be headin that way I think any sites for mres and shit cheap or can I borrow from army ya think and drop some water maybe

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  34. OT (and probably been posted already) but this made me LOL. Hamster of the month contender:

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  35. on September 17, 2013 at 4:08 am Young Journeyman

    Offtopic:

    I need to learn night club/ party social game, I can hold my own well enough and recognise my sticking points in normal social gatherings but whenever dancing is involved I have no idea what to do.

    There’s a girls’ birthday party coming up this weekend that I’m not sure if I want to attend simply because this girl likes to dance a lot so the party will focus mostly on that, she’ll most likely organize it in some sort of club/bar where it’s loud as fuck and everybody will just dance or stay on the couch looking around awkward as hell and shout in one anothers ear every 5 minutes. There’s a good chance a couple single girls will go and I’d like to learn how to handle these social situations, even though I don’t think I’ll ever like this sort of environment, could someone post some links on this sort of stuff?

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  36. Innocently tell her to help you run some errands. Take her around some stores while increasing the kino. She will get so horny she will fuck you in the car.

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  37. Anybody else disappointed the navy yard shooter was not white?

    I thought blacks lacked the “mental toughness” and IQ to plan and carry out such events?

    [CH: I give this reframe a C-. Good enough for black work.]

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  38. Wuznt e militarily trained?

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  39. Lily has proven to be the biggest idiot time after time again. It’s a shame that such a lucid writer can be such a bullshit spewer.

    . Everyone should flat out ignore her and I insist this because you do not want poison nor BS to seep through your brains no matter how good the filter is. And only a devilish ho is good at this kind of stuff.

    First it was that YaReally exchange where she kept using the same “low hanging fruit” rhetoric over and over again

    Then it was paragraphs on paragraphs against King A and Greg Elliot about positive Jew rhetoric. Lies, as usual.

    Then it was just trash upon trash in every orifice.

    Then it was trying to kiss up to the manosphere guys (fe racist comments to get on Shanes better half) by taking part in active racism trying to act edgy.

    Then it’s making up retarded conspiracies about how Islam’s a threat (they are enemies but literally a bunch of disorganized morons) compared to the Rothschild elites that her people so vehemently support.

    Am I the only one to see through this idiot’s facade? Like can we sew her mouth shut already.

    I really really want to see this chick slapped. Just annoyingly off the mark most of the time and vehement in their beliefs to bout. Ugh.

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    • “Then it’s making up retarded conspiracies about how Islam’s a threat (they are enemies but literally a bunch of disorganized morons) compared to the Rothschild elites that her people so vehemently support.”

      Obviously, you’re mad I outlined the Islamic threat very clearly, while showing how the fear of jooz is irrational and stems from joo hate.

      You Joo haters ascribe the jooz imaginary superhuman powers and rather toot the horn over imaginary Joo dangers, while overlooking Islam’s threat at our doorstep. Therefore, you can’t be taken seriously. Sorry, people that think as you sound like cartoons.
      .
      “And only a devilish ho is good at this kind of stuff.”

      LOL! I laughed so hard at this statement. Now, I’m a devilish ho. What will be next?

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      • Femnazi female lawyers are not always bitches. They can be sweet (they think). The real reason female lawyers are so unattractive often goes overlooked or unmentioned: their sky-high (unjustified) egos. They remain uneducated as 99% of women are, regardless of credentials. They never sit and think about the big picture issues we discuss here. They don’t read history or sociology books. They still can’t write. The last thing they read was 50 Shades of Grey like every other sheep woman in the country (that and Cosmo or whatever other similar magazine). Their online fantasies still consist of staring at photos of heels and hangbags.

        I’m a lawyer and I can say this: law school is easy and getting a law degree is a joke. It’s nothing to be super proud of. Nothing close to the accomplishment of an engineering or M.D. degree. It’s a joke.

        Being a lawyer is also not rocket science.

        Yet female lawyers are veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery proud of themselves for getting that law degree and working for 3 to 5 years (which is all 98% of them do) until marriage-retirement.

        As proof, I once again offer you match.com. Not a single male lawyer in the entire country would dare advertise or brag about being a lawyer in his profile. To do so would be cheesy at best. Yet every single female on match.com who is a lawyer proudly displays this information and her profile always includes the following:

        “I read a lot for my job so I don’t really have time to read for pleasure.”

        (except the real female profile would have typos and misspellings and look something like this:

        “I read a lot for my job so I dont reely have tim to read anything els”

        Uh huh.

        lzozlozlzozlzzoz

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    • on September 19, 2013 at 3:26 am Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

      Jo’burg? That’s a worse shithole than Dhaka !!

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    • I thought I was the only one to see these tactics. Good call.

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