Are White Women The Gold Standard In Beauty?

Commenter FeministX, Indian woman (she would be offended if you called her “Indian-American”, as that would be too disparaging of her vibrancy privilege) says,

Based on media attention, it doesn’t seem like white women have been the gold standard for a long time. Doesn’t seem like blond women were ever the gold standard as neither Raquel Welch nor Sophia Loren were blond and they were beauties of yesteryear. Of fair women, it’s really difficult to see how nordic women were ever more attractive than slavic women.

It seems like all caucasoid groups can produce 10s though the average female attractiveness surely differs across groups. Salma Hayek is half lebanese half mexican. Monica Belluci is Italian and black haired. Aishwarya Rai is south Indian. Adriana Lima is a latina mix that includes black and native. Even Vanessa Williams looked like a 10 to me in the early 90s as her face is very caucasoid.

Personally, I’m not sure if Ive ever seen a 100% east asian or 100% sub saharan woman with a 10 face. But to me it looks like caucasoid groups can all produce beauties of the same grade A+ caliber. Across different caucasoid groups, 10s look sort of similar to each other despite the difference in skin tone. They seem to be the standard of beauty, not a particular race.

There are three methods for determining if a race’s women are the globalized gold standard in physical attractiveness:

1. Direct measurement

There is substantial evidence that beauty is quantifiable and measurable. Direct measurement of various facial ratios found in women from around the world would tell us which race’s women came closest to meeting the beauty ideal. This method would result in the most accurate results, but many religious believers in equalism would go to their graves denying in the face (heh) of all scientific evidence and common sense that beauty has an objective basis. It is likely this sort of scientific inquiry will not be done in our lifetimes.

2. Media exposure

The premise is simple: The most desirable women are the ones most represented in mass media as icons of beauty. If Unavision and Korean beauty pageants are any indication, white women (and facsimiles of white women) are beloved in large swaths of the non-white world. In fact, based on media presence, it seems the only areas of the world where the beauty of white women *isn’t* idealized are in the homelands of whites: the Anglosphere and Europe.

The downside to using this method to determine white women’s relative attractiveness is the result-skewing effects of propaganda. The media both reflects cultural taste, and molds it in the image that the gatekeepers of social discourse want it to go. So a media blitz to, say, elevate the desirability of Aboriginal women would not be fairly representative of their attractiveness to the world’s men.

3. Male preference

Outside of direct measurement, this is the method that will yield results closest to reality. Watch what men do, not what they say. Which women do men from around the world prefer to gaze at? Which women do men prefer to bang? Marry? Etc. For that, we can look at porn stats to see if white women are disproportionately represented. Another method is to examine the historical sex slavery data to find out, contra FeministX, if white women have or haven’t been the “gold standard” in attractiveness for a long time.

Peter Frost has a series of post looking into this very question, and the results are sure to stick another shiv into the black hearts of beauty relativists: White women (and whiter women) have historically been desired as concubines and sex slaves by non-white men.

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Putting it all together — (limited) direct measurement data, total media exposure, and male preference (both current and historical) — the conclusion is hard to escape: White women are indeed the global gold standard in beauty. There are exceptions, of course, and not every white woman is beautiful (far from it, and less so today thanks to the obesity epidemic), but on a large scale analysis, white women appear to be the women that all the world’s men want, and the women that the world’s women want to be.





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  1. on August 12, 2013 at 4:05 pm Stg58/Animal Mother

    FeministX is Indian?

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    • Dot not feather. Hindu not woowoo.

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      • Hey Matt, just drop a quick hello. Hope all is well.

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      • Is Matt a “big brother” to you too? His blue balls must be blue indeed.

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      • Haha

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      • 7-11 Indian not native Indian , in the republic of Canada they insist on being called first nations ( natives) no one calls them Indians up here , east Indians are called indo-Canadian or something to that effect. When I was a kid we just called them pakis

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      • Canada isn’t a republic, it’s a realm of the United Kingdom.

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      • It’s a stop off for 3rd world criminals

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      • On April 17, 1982 Elizabeth II signed the Canada Act, making Canada a sovreign nation. She remains Queen of Canada, but this position is legally independent of her role as Queen of England.

        Hence Canada is a realm of the Commonwealth, but not of the United Kingdom.

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      • Nonsense. I am right now about a 5-minute drive from an Indian reserve (in Canada), that I also grew up next to most of my life. They still refer to themselves as Indians, and many bureaucratic departments, and legal documents still refer to them as Indians also. Generally, only leftoids think they don’t refer to themselves as Indians anymore; and that’s because they don’t know any…’Round here we use the terms “dot” or “feather”, or “push-start/pull-start” to clarify when any confusion in conversation referring to Native-Indians or Indians of the Indian sub-continent arises…

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      • Better, Oohhmm, not woowoo.

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    • Yes. I don’t understand what vibracy privilege means.

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      • Vibrancy privilege? I don’t know what it is either.

        Wouldn’t the law of scarcity also apply here? I read somewhere that whites of Eastern European descent are only about 20% of the world’s population. Blondes with fair skin an even smaller percentage.

        I wonder if anyone’s ever studied whether fair skinned white men prefer darker skinned women and vice versa. Anecdotally ..that seems to be the case.

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      • Amy, it’s scary to see how people do not realize how low the “majority” whites are as a percentage of the world population. It’s shocking. The entire white population of the entire planet is only around 15%. Eastern European peoples therefore are only around 2-4% total. Of course the diversity crowd wants to crowd them out or interbreed. Do you not see how it is entirely feasible that within a century or two whites will be as small a percentage of the population as the Amish and most likely just as self-segregating too.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 11:20 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

        >> Amish and most likely just as self-segregating.

        And what exactly are the Amish missing? The privilege of paying FICA? The privilege of getting divorced-raped by the family court system? The privilege of watching their daughters mate with HipHopRapper monkeys?

        PS: here’s a guy who’s more alpha than any of you:

        http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/12/world/africa/zimbabwe-mugabe-election/

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      • However, I do think a bit of scarcity is involved here, but mostly in a privileged variety type of way. If you do not live in a “white” country, having a white girlfriend can be a symbol of status and novelty.

        I think CH’s point 2 is easily falsifiable, but point 3 is where the money is at. Most men prefer (at least from a sexual standpoint) to gaze upon and/or bang white women. Marriage is more cultural so the correlation is not as strong.

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      • LOL BS white women are overatted.

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      • i read that men with blue eyes subconsciously perfer blue eyed women to ensure paternity since its a recceive trait. i remember yrs back on the beat 94.5 that during ovulayion women perfer strong hairy handsome darksinned men. isince testosterone darkens the skin. wish i can find the article

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      • How does that explain men with dark eyes ALSO preferring light-eyed women?

        It doesn’t… it just tries to obscure the main point of said Gold Standard = White Women… the whiter (blonder, lighter eyes, white features, e.g., ) the better.

        All else is merely mud in the water, like so many other irrelevant postings here in re personal preferences, “Causasoid”, talk about “blond” hair alone, what tanning signifies, and the balls-obvious contention that there is beauty to be found in other races as well.

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      • dark eyed men wont care since its a dominent trait. but reccessive features are beutiful on women since its more feminie and exotic. hence the fair sex .were darker cuz testosterone darkens the skin

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      • wouldnt matter to dark eyed men since its a dominent trait. It just garuntees paternity that the kid is likely to have his eyes.. Fair skin/hair/eyes is seen as a femine trait. You can look up wiki and notice women are likely to have lighter hair and eyes then men. Since testosterone makes us darker. Liking tanned women is just arecent craze but even then its to obtain the olive medteriean skine tone. When arabs and indians want to make themselves fair, the ideal is the :gore” or fair skin which is considered olive tone by europeans.
        the southern european and latin is the ideal. hence why you dont hear much issue about skin tone with them

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      • forgot to mention “udjarr” or pale (like irsih scotts) is not the ideal in middle east and india.

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      • “I wonder if anyone’s ever studied whether fair skinned white men prefer darker skinned women and vice versa. Anecdotally ..that seems to be the case.”
        From what I see most white guys and gals, especially those with options, go for whites, although sometimes I see good-looking(doesnt mean theyre alpha ofc) white guys with asian girls.

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      • Certainly is in my case. I’m fair/Irish. Don’t care for blondes or very fair skinned.

        Mediterranean or Latina has always been very attractive to me. And it is reciprocated.

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      • on August 13, 2013 at 11:18 am Holden Caulfield

        I’m fair skinned and white women (especially blondes) are always my first choice. I’ve dated women of other races, but I’m most attracted to thin blondes.

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      • What a fucking delusional cunt flapper you are.

        All Indians have a sickening arrogance. Amazing considering the country has some of the lowest average IQs around and is a shit hole of corruption and dysgenics.

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      • What a troll question. You know exactly what it means you cunt flapping shit stirrer.

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      • no really, I have no idea.

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      • *flap flap flap*

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  2. Some more data points for you:

    Asians get surgery to look white:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/19/korea.beauty/index.html

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    • I mentioned that in the previous thread… one of the points, among many, that were ignored by the nay-sayers.

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    • The Mexicans don’t accept themselves, they prefer to watch in their TV White people, instead of Ethnic Mexicans, at least Koreans shows actual Korean people, even if some have a bit of plastic surgery.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 11:06 pm Stg58/Animal Mother

        The reason for this phenomenon in Mexico is very simple. The European people on Mexican TV are the descendants of Cortez, Maximilian and every other European that has ruled the Mestizo/Aztec people in Mexico. Every Miss Mexico has a German surname mixed in with the hispanic name. The European looking people are merely the upper classes in Mexico. We have the same thing in America except for the fact that the upper socioeconomic classes still look like common people.

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    • I dont think its about looking “white” as much as it is them having similar standards of beauty, but there are differences of course like their preference for almond shaped faces, pointy chins, etc.

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    • and white chicks tan to look black.

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      • Idiot… tanning has been explained in the previous thread.

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      • Fool, read the posts before taking nonsense… as per the previous thread:

        But the point remains, even among the coloreds, that white women are the gold standard.

        That’s why hair straighteners and blonde dye far outsell alternatives.

        That’s why otherwise beautiful-for-their-kind Oriental women get surgery to make their eyes look rounder.

        And last I checked, the market for brown contacts was for all intents and purposes nonexistent… but green and blue, well.

        Of course, now the snarkers will talk about tanning, as if that makes white people look like negroes? Nope, try again… it’s merely an amusing masquerade that makes the aforementioned white features of light eyes and hair stand out all the more.

        If getting a tan made white women look like some of the coloured races, burkhas would outsell bikinis.

        Sheesh… this isn’t even a debate.

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      • This is not true. I often wear brown contacts. If there was no demand for brown contacts, the largest contact lens manufacturers would not make them. But last time I checked both brands of contact lenses that are offered at my local optician offer brown contacts.

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      • And because YOU bought them (supposedly), that makes all of the above “not true”?

        Notice I said “for all intents and purposes”. :rolleyes

        If you’re putting on brown contacts to cover up nice blue or green eyes, you truly are on the opposite end of that market… are you some sort of actress, or merely using them as a disguise?

        You solipsistic broads kill me.

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      • Well, a store wouldn’t keep a certain product in stock just for one customer. Stores will only keep a certain product in stock if the number of customers who buy that product make it so that the revenue coming in from purchases of the product outweighs the expense of keeping the product in stock. I am pretty sure that although brown contacts are less popular than blue or green contacts, enough get bought at my local optician so that they keep it in stock.

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      • Brown Eyed Girl

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      • Still didn’t answer my question… why would a light-eyed girl wear brown contacts?

        Trying to pass down at the schul?

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      • To answer your question: maybe it is because not everybody shares your preferences for eye colour?

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      • I can’t stand brown eyes. I’ll tolerate them only if the girl is super hot otherwise.

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      • To answer your question: maybe it is because not everybody shares your preferences for eye colour?

        A preference for brown eyes over blue or green? That would make a girl with the latter wear brown contacts?

        Riiiiiiight… I suppose if a carpenter can get resurrected, then anything’s possible.

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  3. Why is this indisputable truth phrased in the form of a question, as though there were controversy among men with a functioning sense of sight?

    Is this Jeopardy?

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    • I think it’s to challenge the delusion of the moron (and the cunt flapper herself.)

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    • yes. i’ll take internet blowhards for $200 Alex.

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    • Why is this indisputable truth phrased in the form of a question, as though there were controversy among men with a functioning sense of sight?
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      Because to do otherwise would reveal it to be the “pep rally” that it really is.

      CH is much smarter than you give him credit.

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  4. The problem with white women is that they are torn between their feminist beliefs and their sexual desires :

    http://www.salon.com/2013/08/12/i_love_and_hate_dating_russian_men/

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  5. nobody ever said “where the dark women at?”

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  6. WTF? I’m the one who brought it up and I don’t even get a lousy tee shirt?

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    • No, check out a thread from earlier this year. Flavia and I were arguing with men who said Asian and Latina women were the hottest. We said white women are the prettiest of all women, even before you said it to FeministX. Hey, but thanks for sticking up for us.

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      • Twit says what?

        The white women = Gold Standard has been mentioned many times in the past, by several folks, well before you arrived.

        The point at hand:

        This thread, however, is a direct result of what was said on the previous thread… a standard practice, here at the chateau.

        Do try to keep up if you would respond.

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      • “This thread, however, is a direct result of what was said on the previous thread… a standard practice, here at the chateau.
        Do try to keep up if you would respond.”

        LOL!!! I know that, but I was trying to point out that your point was not revolutionary.

        That said, at least you said something right in a year ++ + + etc…….. That should be considered revolutionary in of itself. I knew your WN would come in handy one day. Ta ta…..

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      • Lily – 1; Greg – 0

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      • Riiiiiiight….

        Nothing like an objective referee keeping score.

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      • Come now, Gregi, he luvs ya! What would this place be without you fairy, eh?

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      • Somehow it’s funnier when I say it to others… ’cause, in the words of the late, great Henry Ford:

        “It fits!”

        lllzozozlzlzlzozozlzlzozozlzlzlzozozlzlzl

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      • “Somehow it’s funnier when I say it to others”

        Don’t worry, dear. I wouldn’t dream of stealing that special expression from you.

        I know you need it for your arsenal of very effective heart-piercing head-thrashing laser-sharp verbal arrows with which you shoot your enemies and neutralize them. Your magnificent expression is safe, you fairy.

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      • Twat says what?

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      • I like twat, thanks.
        How do you like DickyLicky?
        Can we exchange epithets?

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      • Epithets are only funny and a propos when they fit.

        Wouldn’t expect a silly broad to understand such nuance.

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      • I take it, you don’t like it? 😀

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      • Happy to be an asshole = hallmark of the South Park mentality = YKW and/or SWPL perpetual adolescent.

        Geez, get a man in your life already and stop trolling the chateau.

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      • I think I got you cornered, gregi. Now, this is what I call having an effective arsenal.
        “You fairy,” doesn’t cut it, you fairy.

        Looks like that “silly broad” jubilantly trampled all over your sourpuss sullen self.

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      • “Geez, get a man in your life already and stop trolling the chateau.”

        And, leave it all to you to roam freely? Not in a longshot!
        Your irritation is percolating……my little whiner, and I love seeing it in all its colors.

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      • I would have thought by now that a (ahem) bright girl such as yourself would have noticed that I don’t use “You fairy” on women… no point, and it ruins the Mamet intent.

        I know you’re bright, because you yourself have stated as much, numerous times.

        But there you go again, trumpeting a nonexistent victory… you silly little twit.

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      • “I would have thought by now that a (ahem) bright girl such as yourself would have noticed that I don’t use “You fairy” on women… no point, and it ruins the Mamet intent.”

        Naturally, it doesn’t work on women. However, what does this have to do with my point which was that the expressions in your “arsenal,” such as “you fairy,” are stupid and not effective?

        That’s why I said:

        “Don’t worry, dear. I wouldn’t dream of stealing that special expression from you.
        I know you need it for your arsenal of very effective heart-piercing head-thrashing laser-sharp verbal arrows with which you shoot your enemies and neutralize them. Your magnificent expression is safe, you fairy.”

        I thought the way I was laying it on, was obvious I am making fun of that expression.

        You need to learn to read nuances, dear. Not enough experiences with women, eh? But, you’re well-versed in WN, though.

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      • Lawdy, could you BE any more of a pismire at a picnic?

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      • oh shit she calling you Gregi it must be love

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 5:39 pm gunslingergregi

        oh shit she called you Gregi it must be love

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      • Yeah, Greg and Lily sound like Calvin and Susie Derkins.

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      • More like the Bickersons… but without the commensurate romance.

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      • Asians and Latinas are for dudes who don’t know about Eastern Europeans.

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      • Jessica Jung is pretty.

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      • I was part of that discussion a few months ago about Asian women .

        for the record I prefer white women, I have never dated an Asian woman but they would be my second choice.

        other races, nah…not so much

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      • Most of the men I have observed who have a real affinity for Asian women, often also tend to have fairly evident inferiority-complexes, or very awkward behaviour–geeks, nerds, etc.

        My second choice of women is often torn between Latina or Asian, or put differently: outward hot-blooded fiery sexual appeal/chance of lower IQ offspring; vs. lacking in sex-appeal (yet still physically attractive)/much more likelihood of higher IQ offspring.

        However, there are a number of ethinc-Japanese living in Brazil…

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 6:20 pm Carlos Danger

        Jewish women are the hottest.

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      • … by a nose.

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      • Carlos, don’t let your dune coon wife hear you say that! She’s needs you for plausable deniability, I don’t know why you need her, your tribe is allowed to be insular!

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      • Actually, she’s a paki, not a dune coon.

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      • Cripes, forgot! Gotta be careful, nothing more hateful than calling a paki a dune coon. She’s got some dothead blood too, but a strange match indeed for a hebe..I mean Ashkenazi American

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

        “Jewish women are the hottest.”

        It’s because they came straight out of the oven.

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      • Yeah; fresh out of the oven.

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      • Please, Carlos, J women aren’t that attractive. I guess you having a Moorish wife, you’d think so, eh? How is Huma coping these days?

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      • I’d bang Bar Refaeli, but I’m pretty sure she’s a major exception.

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      • Well, that’s because she’s Israeli. Israeli women are hotter than J American women. They are thin and love to dress sexy, especially Sephardic girls, and without the heavy feministic attitude.

        Lots of hot Israeli models, not just Bar.

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      • Asian women tend to group near the middle of the bell curve, more so than white women. There are few incredibly ugly Asian women and few incredibly beautiful ones.

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      • And the beautiful ones have substantial white admixture.

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      • “No, check out a thread from earlier this year. Flavia and I were arguing with men who said Asian and Latina women were the hottest. We said white women are the prettiest of all women, even before you said it to FeministX. Hey, but thanks for sticking up for us.”

        She said “caucasian women” or “caucasoid groups” which is very different than “white” women.

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      • No. Simply no. We were discussing white women as being the prettiest most desirable woman on earth – not Asians, not Hispanics, not Indians, and not Caucasians, which is a term I don’t recognize as it’s too broad. Caucasian means nothing. What does it mean? Anyone can be considered Caucasian, even the Turks. No, we were referring to white women, as in European white.

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      • Piss off Lily. You don’t get redefine collective nouns that huge masses of people find meaningful on a whim, dumb bitch. Caucasian doesn’t need to perfectly defined any more than “Jew” does. “European white” is narrower than Caucasian but still suffers from the same problem of indefinite borders – there is no end of debate surrounding “who is white?”

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  7. on August 12, 2013 at 4:15 pm The Scolds Bridle

    Beauty in a particular ethnic group probably has more to do with the previous few generations’ sexual selection pressures than does with inherent beauty.

    One can almost witness a time-lapse photographic effect of the ever-sharpening jaw line of the American female. American cars used to be round and beautiful. Now, they are angular and bulky. Perhaps there is some previously undiscovered correlation between our cars and our women.

    Coming soon, American women, the Pontiac Aztek of the sexual domain.

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    • on August 12, 2013 at 8:00 pm Modern Primitive

      I wonder if the man jawification of yankee women has anything to do with gays in the fashion/photography industry selecting for manly jawlines amongst the most beautiful women.

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  8. Slight issue with point 2. Kelly Brook is fawned over in the UK press all the time. Shes a hot bird but not stunning and 1 of hottest in the world like they always proclaim. The only reason they call her all these names is because she does whatever they ask her to do. Media monkey. Heres picshttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2342971/Kelly-Brook-goes-topless-soaks-sun-Mexico.html

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    • There are always exceptions touted by fifteen minutes in the media… especially nowadays, where they will take great pains to promote diverse concepts of “beauty”. (can you say Khardashian?)

      I never saw this bird until now, is she supposedly not white? If so, she’s the whitest-lookin’ nonwhite I’ve seen in awhile.

      And although I myself like a little extra meat on dem bones… she’s obviously too chubby to even come close to being considered in the upper eschelons.

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    • Wow. The British aren’t coming. At least over that cow, are they?

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      • The Brits are the biggest (white) cow mounters on the planet, I’d swear. They certainly aid and abet the cow epidemic over there, at least.

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  9. For that, we can look at porn stats to see if white women are disproportionately represented.

    via

    http://jonmillward.com/blog/studies/deep-inside-a-study-of-10000-porn-stars/

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    • on August 12, 2013 at 11:28 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

      to the best of my knowledge, the type of female that’s over-represented in the porn business is the one who can: (1) show up on time; (2) not be a drama queen on set, (3) willing to work cheap

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    • Anything about the demographics of the male viewership?

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    • and to add to that the list of most popular porn race search when the standard white then black,asian and latin dont pop up.

      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/15/outsourcing-porn-sex-work

      We also looked at searches on PornHub, where the most popular ethnic searches are quite different: PornHub features an international audience, including non-English speakers. The most searched for ethnicities, in decreasing popularity, are: (1) Indian, (2) German, (3) French, (4) Japanese, (5) Russian, (6) Black, (7) Italian, (8) Arab.

      a good guess is that Indian men are searching for Indian women for the hell of it. But guaranteed they all be wanking to the white,black, Latin and asians.

      surprised no swedes,romianian gypsy,south african coloreds,native american or isrealis didnt show up for specific searches.

      half of the specified searches(which is small) resulted in european girls and the other 2 were of causcoid background.

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  10. I think Flavia and I made this exact argument months ago regarding the beauty of white women. We leave all other races far in the dust. Sorry, FeministX. The exception doesn’t prove the rule.

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  11. I think on the whole that the most beautiful women in the world are white but the issue is often confused because some races do have a relatively high proportion of pretty girls. In Vietnam for instance you might not find any 10s but you will find heaps of 6, 7 and 8s, certainly a lot more than in your average white dominated north american city.

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  12. I heard Hindu Barbies were flying off the shelves.

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  13. Well, Matt King “loves” Feministx with a love that is “boundless” (or whatever the hell he said…I forget the exact terms), so he would no doubt agree with Feministx’s observations.

    Then again, he is also a “big brother” to many other women, some of whom are presumably white, so maybe not…

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    • on August 12, 2013 at 4:49 pm haunted trilobite

      ur such a buly

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    • lol I enjoy this. Do continue.

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    • You sound hurt. Do you want to talk about it?

      We’re here for you.

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    • on August 14, 2013 at 5:34 am truth hurts i guess

      matthew king is nothing more than that dude we all know from high school college that was fake and two faced, and as a result would never have any male friends.

      matthew king is the kind of dude who always had a female best friend (was always obvious he was attracted to her), but told everyone it was platonic to take a moral highground

      i dont trust matthew king and none of you here should either… i get that vibe from him that if he was in any of our personal lives, he would constantly undermine you and try to get with your girl, while playing the role of political correct beta observer……all in all, i feel matthew king is a scumbag

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      • This guy was in Theater in high school. The stench you acquire from performing too many monologues is unmistakable.

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  14. on August 12, 2013 at 4:27 pm Stg58/Animal Mother

    Anon,

    The Kelly Brook in your link is not the same Kelly Brook that was eaten by Piranhas.

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    • Still gets the ridiculously high appraisals from the press.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm Stg58/Animal Mother

        You need to look at Kelly Brook in Piranha 2010. She is pretty damn hot in that movie, because she is about ten or fifteen pounds lighter in the movie than in the pictures you linked to. In the link you put up she looks like she is in the offseason, so to speak.

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      • Exactly. Scroll down to the red bakini pic. If you wouldn’t rock this, you’re gay.

        http://www.abcinema.tv/kelly-brook-rocks-2/

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      • She is good looking, no doubt, and very fuckable in those pics… but the beach shots sow what she looks like without all the warpaint and photo shopping.

        She is a 7 because she is borderline heavy and going to get really fat.

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      • I wonder if this pic makes her look heavier than she is. Some pics can put 10+ lbs. on you. Either way, she is a big-boned woman and that tends to make one look heavier. If you look at other pics of her, she’s not heavy, just curvy. Eventually, though, curvy turns pudgy.

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  15. Yep. Thats why when people say a city sucks for pick up what theyre really saying is there are too little or no white girls.

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    • Walk through the city centre of Melbourne (Australia) on any given day and you will find that for every attractive white girl there are ten white fatties and twenty asian uglies.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm Modern Primitive

        I must admit to having a thing for asians.

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      • Most of the asians I talk about are Chinese.
        Chinese 8’s and 9’s are VERY rare. A Chinese 10’s don’t exist.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 11:12 pm Modern Primitive

        Even chinese 6 or 7s I find more attractive than their corrosponding white counterparts. And then there’s Vietnamese, Korean and Japanese girls. I got the Yellow fever bad.

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      • Not to sound too generalizing, but every non-Asian guy I’ve met that’s into Asian girls beyond a variety kink thing are herbs with social issues, guys who have given up on the rat race, or have a perceived little dick. I’m all for to each his own, but the trend is quite clear in my experience.

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      • Well then, Castricv, which one are you? I’m guessing the latter.

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      • Nice try, but my wife is German/Italian.

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      • I agree with Mr.C on this. Chinese women are definitely the bottom of the barrel among Asians. Of the Chinese women I see around town, I’d consider maybe 5% bangable. For white girls, it’s more like 20%.

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  16. “. . . neither Raquel Welch nor Sophia Loren were blond . . .”

    Which one of them snagged a for reals prince?

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  17. Sort of misleading, even if we buy into that evo-blog premise that fairer skin = more attractive to men; it’s like asking, “are women with feminine eyes the gold standard of beauty?” Well….ya, that one feature does tend to make a woman more attractive under this rubric.

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    • On further reflection, and maybe this is just the whole “we like those who are like us” thing, but I tend to be a bit turned off by hard ethnic features of any race. Uber white — real pale, light hair, skinny small nose, thin lips, Uber black — fat nose, larger lips, heavier brow, Uber Asian — slanty eyes, wide face, sharp high cheekbones, and doll hair: I’m slightly put off by all of that. Classic white is fine as a status symbol, something/one to have on your arm…but other than that, meh.

      I respond the most to women who look like Stacey Dash or Meghan Markle. As of 2013, these women have never given me the time of day. Neither have black or asian women, for the most part btw.

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      • I was going to make fun of your selections, but then I looked them up and you are awesome…..

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      • meghan markle is half black. which for all intents and purposes makes her black.

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      • and stacey dash is more non-white than white.

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      • I think that was his point….

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      • They are also both pretty hot.

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      • Stacy Dash is friggin 50 years old; no thanks

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      • There actually should be a post about tragedies in the world of female beauty. Stacey Dash is 46 and still looks really good. Contrast that with Courtney Cox, who just looks terrible (you can actually see her hit the wall throughout the run of Friends —-Lisa Kudrow seemed to hit the wall even faster).

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      • on August 14, 2013 at 9:34 pm Trollphile who is actually black

        Stacey Dash is part black, that’s why. We whites hit our walls young, fast and hard. I explained why below so scroll down.

        There’s one black actress who has been playing a 17 year old…. for the past 17 years.

        [CH: Stop impersonating a white woman. Your act is transparently amateur.]

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      • Agree on the facial features, they can’t be too distinct. I’m sure studies have been conducted that show a consistency in the facial characteristics of popular actresses and models, regardless of race. The white ones don’t look toooooo white, and the ethnic ones don’t look toooooo UNESCO.

        I think the whole femininity/masculinity dichotomy with light/dark skin is vital to heterosexual attraction. To anyone who says that blonde hair and blue eyes is a status symbol, remember that Norway and Sweden lean socialist. I guess the recessive traits make them sought after simply because they don’t look like anyone else, and their easy visibility grants them plenty of attention. It’s called the orienting reflex. Also, within the sexual marketplace, men want the rarities, as if they were trading baseball cards. Nordics ARE the rarity.

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  18. Sorry but I find Indian (subcontinent) women ugly and smelly. The combination of pseudo caucasian facial characteristics and dark skin is very unpleasant IMO. I would take an East Asian woman instead any day.

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    • Not even into Asians, but I have to 100% agree with you. I have nothing against them, but there is nothing attractive about them at all. Once you look at their mother’s facial hair and mannerisms you will almost throw up.

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    • They do have some beautiful women – have a look at their actresses. But yeah, the general Indian/Indian American woman has a lot to work on. Poor grooming and visceral body fat kills them. East Asian girls on the other hand gain points for being thin if nothing else which is actually a big thing given the obesity epidemic.

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      • ya have to agree with you guys. dunno why there are guys that have this indian or middle eastern fetish. Those are the 2 hairest races around. Ive met 3 indian and 1 persian women that were hairer than me and im a combo of the two. they look like latinas if you add body hair(even chest n ass) and take away the curves.
        in india Brazilain girls are taking over bollywood…even eastern europeans are showin up now that the local girls have a hard time getting in.
        rich arab business men head to brazil for good times
        that says alot.
        known 1 pretty indian girl back in the day, when she didnt shave 2 weeks in, you can see the hair comin out of her jaw upper lip an chin

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      • theres 1.4 Billion of them. with a B. the bell curve better damned well have pooped out one or two good looking ones.

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      • it should but pound for pound if you look at those miss univrse/world/earth competition. the latinas do the best for a population of 600 milion thats impressive. white women do well to for a global 1.5 billion. remeber lotta these latinas that have won are either full blooded white or have some mestizo mix

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  19. On the issue of preferring blonde hair, I have noticed the same thing. And what I’ve concluded about my own personal taste is that in the 5/6/7 range I do prefer blonde hair, but in the 8/9/10 range, I prefer dark brown hair. But because the vast majority of healthy weight girls are in the 5/6/7 range, it seems as though blonde hair is better.

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  20. The black woman is evidence the Gold Standard exists: long, luxurious, beautiful flowing manes as far as the eye can wander, accompanied by the attendant head-pat to blunt the ever present itch.

    Such a curious behavior.

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  21. Will Roosh ever write “Bang Gabon, or, Bang Djibouti”?

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  22. STOP calling european people “Caucasoid” or “Caucasians”!
    This is an erroneous term,coined in 19 century by some dumb-ass,based on a presumption that caucasian refuge was a hot-bed of european civilisation.It has been proven since that they were tons of other refuges and genetic lineages to European race.This term is ONLY used in the USA,by some mysterious reason.
    I feel offended being called a “caucasian”.I do not want to be associated with the primitive,clan-based,violent nations of the caucasus (who are middle easterners by the way).So should be you.
    There are europeans,there are asians,there are middle easterners and so on.Full stop.
    White could generally be a collective term for europeans and middle easterners.

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    • Agreed 100%. I hate the term because “Caucasian” includes muzzie dune coons and subcontinentals along with Europeans.

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      • Heh, heh… even the term “white” is growing false…

        I’ve seen some of the most near-negro looking Hispanics described as “white” by the arresting officer… merely because the skin tone was a shade lighter than the run-of-the-mill-variety black come across in day-to-day patrol.

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      • Because dumb Amurricans, including the Census Bureau, don’t know about the term “mestizo” or “mulatto”.

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      • on August 13, 2013 at 3:24 am Truth is Beauty

        Look at the FBI’s most wanted list. Look at who they classify as “White”

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      • Most of those the FBI calls white are actually Hispanic

        by lumping together Hispanics and whites, the FBI makes the numbers seem to say many whites commit crimes which is false

        this makes it seem as if Blacks do not commit much more crimes than whites

        and it makes Hispanics look better

        making whites look bad is the ultimate goal here of course.

        this is all part of the plan by the leftist establishment who decide what we can say and what we can think.

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      • babbys first racial/religious slur :3

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      • Shut up, ho.

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    • It’s an American thing. I don’t think anyone else calls all Whites ‘Caucasians’.

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      • “White” is associated with racism in the USA. at least it is for race baiters and bleeding heart liberals

        “Caucasian” thus became the politically correct way of saying “White” without offending blacks and who ever sees racism where there is none

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    • im not european background. But not a fan of using caucasion and causcoid to refer to white europeans. Makes things confusings. those words are just and umbrella term for white europeans middle easterns(semitics and aryans) and north indians.
      plus caucasion people are an ethnic group from the caucus

      the term needs to be changed to the correct manner

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  23. No one who has looked at the figures in The Living Races of Man would have trouble in answering this question.

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  24. My personal preferences start at light and head towards dark (in order):

    1) White – nordic blonde, pink or neutral skin nipples
    2) White – brunette, tan skin and similar nipples
    3) Slightly tanned hispanic
    4) Native american

    (JUNGLLLLLLLLE FEVA!)

    5) Puerto rican (darker complexion, brown nipples…fond memory of a stripper in vegas)
    6) AA (occasionally…as long as she isn’t too ghetto with a huge ass)

    That’s pretty much it. I enjoy some asians like asa akira, women of middle eastern descent but beyond I’m just gonna check out unless she’s the top of the crop in the body dept.

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  25. on August 12, 2013 at 4:54 pm Lucky White Male

    Excuse me, I find this post very offensive.

    Are you actually talking favorably about Whites?

    What has the Manosphere turned into?

    YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK FAVORABLY ABOUT WHITES IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

    Don’t you get it?

    Right now, I am getting Angry.

    Are you … really some kind of beta male who can’t get laid with women in real life?

    Are you some kind of an Alpha Internet Keyboard Jockey?

    Are you an old guy making fun of blacks?

    Are you The Next Mark Minter?

    That’s it.

    I AM LEAVING THE MANOSPHERE

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  26. Aborigines numba one yaaaaayyy

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  27. The higher-caste Indian women (who have lighter skin) tend to be more attractive than the lower-caste ones (darker-skin) though I have ran into some highly-bangable darker ones.

    Overall, they just don’t “do it” for me though.

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  28. on August 12, 2013 at 5:20 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    I’m surprised you didn’t remember my comment from a while back. I noted that the value of something depends on what people are willing to pay and therefore women can be judged on what they sell for on prostitution Web sites.

    Go to any of these sites, from high end to low end, and you’ll find white women charge the most (with blonde white women charging even more); Asians come next, and Hispanics and blacks are at the very bottom.

    Not saying I agree this is “morally right,” but it is what the market decided, and that needs to be taken into account.

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    • I wish you could control for other beauty factors, though. Like, the differential between a really hot black versus a really hot white escort.

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    • on August 12, 2013 at 11:33 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

      >>> I’m surprised you didn’t remember my comment

      So sorry; we were busy paying attention to what WOMEN write in the manosphere

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  29. Why yes, yes they are.

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  30. There are more venezuelan 10s in Miami right now than all 10s in South Asia put together

    And let me avoid using the Moscow/warsaw subways as an example

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    • Venezuela has produced more Miss Universe winners than any other country.

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    • And Venezuela along with Chile, and Argentina are some of the whitest South Americans in existence because uhhh, conquest… remember? Point??

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  31. on August 12, 2013 at 5:40 pm gunslingergregi

    the only prob with white bitches is their fucking brains are all fucked up

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  32. on August 12, 2013 at 5:51 pm gunslingergregi

    or white chicks trying to be my Asian wife but it is just copy not the original

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  33. I like white chicks. But really, who cares? Guaranteed 99% of the guys reading this wouldn’t approach a 10 of any race if she were actually standing right there in front of them at the grocery store lol

    When I’m out with “normal” non-pickup guys, especially the big-talking macho alpha-male types, my response to their “man that bitch is hot, she’s a 10!” “no way bro she’s an 8 at best look at that ass, she needs to do some squats” as we pass by a girl or see one at a table nearby is ALWAYS “so are either of you going to go talk to her?” with complete “well? Step up to the plate, already” seriousness. If I’m into the chick myself and they won’t go approach, then I’ll go approach her and see what happens.

    They always always always choke and won’t go approach her. Rating girls is mental masturbation.

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    • Ha. I was hanging for a bit the other night with this one guy who pointed out this one girl that he thought was so hot. I said nothing, but approached her later, and did get at least a successful opening. Too bad she was cuddling with her borefriend the rest of her time tho.

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    • Ya…you have to say something to the girl as she passes by. Like we’ll be standing in the gym’s parking garage and some girls will be walking by

      Guy: Oh shit….
      Guy 2: Psh, these bitches are busted anyway
      Guy: Ya okay jackoff king (probably the best burn I’ve heard all week…really loses the impact in type)
      Me: Hey, how’s it going? (Girls say hi back, continue on….I just turn back to group) …God….Damn It. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
      Guy 2: Hey, how’s it going! Faggot.
      Me: Ya, I shoulda said ‘you bitches loook BUSTED as FUCK’

      I wanted to share a revelation about mixed sets; if you can find a mixed set where the guys are engaging in some sort of activity — pool, for instance — you can befriend them by getting “next.” Then, you can just talk to the women.

      Pretty effective — in general, the reactions have gone from slight hostility (I posted about it before), to light teasing….like “this dude over here’s got next but he’s hollering at like 3 chicks….”

      …to people catching up with me later to get my contact info (it’s only happened once, but it was pretty cool!). A good white knight disarm is to just call it what it is —>

      Girl: You’re fun, how old are you?
      Me: What a personal question…how old are you, 58?
      Girl: Oh my gawd, I’m 24!
      Me: You’re really bad at social security fraud. I’m just letting you know.
      Girl: Ohhh….
      Me: Ya, we could have been rolling in money, but you really fucked it up.
      White Knight: Duuude, how are you going to say that to a girl? That she looks 58. That’s kind of disrespectful.
      Me: (Throws hands up) Oh no……your friend’s here on the white horse, lance erect.
      (She giggles……)
      White Knight: Nah, I mean…..
      Me: HOW CAN THOUST, REFER TO A COMELY LASS, AS THOUGH SHE WERE AN AGED PRUNE WITHERING IN THE SUN….KNAVE! (prolly the funniest thing I’ve said in the past week)

      And ya, like -every- time I approach a group and forget to engage the guys first…without fail, the guys will AMOG. It’s only annoying because when you see the code, you can see that it’s just about value. And so, sometimes the AMOGs will just be so fucking retarded….example:

      Me: Wow, this is a big group you have here, like 9 people….
      Girl: (Looks up…….I can already tell this isn’t going to go well) Ya, it’s okay I guess.
      Guy: (I’m about to just roll out…) Wow…OCD much?
      Me: (blink — I see what he’s doing, but I just can’t believe that it works) What? Counting is OCD?
      Guy: Ya, serial killer.
      Me: (Head tilt — but the dude and the girl think it’s funny, because I have no value and they have value. But in my mind I’m like ‘sometimes this shit is so fucking stupid’)….ya good one. (exit)

      In general, I’m starting to become more confident in my social skills. However, these mixed groups with the hot girls…social hookpoint is fine, but eh…..I’m probably going to focus hardcore on my appearance and style for now. It doesn’t seem like there’s a way around ‘looking the part.’ (Ya, you can always be super witty, awesome, etc….but getting to the required compensatory level just seems like a years-long endeavor now; looking the part can be dug into significantly over about 6 months, I’d say)

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      • on August 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm Hook or Crook

        Guy: (I’m about to just roll out…) Wow…OCD much?

        This ‘guy’ acts and speaks just like a bitchy girl. I’m not going to armchair AMOG here, but treating him like you would treat any bratty girl (e.g. agree and amplify) would probably work better than taking his comment with any level of seriousness; the second that you went into a defensive crouch it validated the absolutely retarded shit that came out of his mouth. I have a feeling that I would have been so taken aback by his flamboyant ‘attack’ that I would probably tool him too directly ( “Wow: socially awkward much?” (in hyper valley-girl inflection)) and cause a problem; I have nowhere near the patience of a Tyler (or – apparently – you) for gay shit like that.

        I read all of your FRs, for the record. Keep it up.

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      • Quick notes:

        “Guy 2: Hey, how’s it going! Faggot.”

        lol this is always my favorite part. When they tool you for approaching while they didn’t have the balls to. My other favorite is when you say something to the girls or try to introduce them to the guy and the girls are unreceptive and then the guys are MAD at you. A few times I’ve literally said “ohhhhh sorry, were you about to go over there and talk to them? Did I just fuck that up? MY BAD!! I didn’t realize you had them right on the edge of sucking your dick there…I mean it LOOKED like you were just standing around terrified of them like a giant vagina, I didn’t realize you were busting moves on them. Aww shit, now we’ll all die virgins!” lol

        “pool, for instance”

        Tell random girls around the table to shoot for you now and then. “I’m too drunk, I need you to make this shot for me, there’s a thousand dollars on this game.” Works extra-good on all-girl sets because at least one of them will be out-going and step up to shoot for you. Then you just make fun of her shot lol

        Age thing was handled solid. You didn’t even answer what your age is lol

        “White Knight: Duuude, how are you going to say that to a girl? That she looks 58. That’s kind of disrespectful.”

        lol I get this a lot because I say really offensive shit. You handled it awesome. The key is in making fun of him to the girl, so that she’s laughing WITH you at his silly overly defensive behavior. He can pick a fight with you, but not if she approves of you.

        Usually with these guys, after I tool them if they seem like nice dudes who just didn’t realize they were being dicks, I’ll befriend them with “lol I’m just messin’ with ya man. It’s cool, random dude at the bar, of course he must be hittin on your girls…I’ve already got a girlfriend tho, I’m just meetin up with friends later and figured I’d shoot some pool.” and then chat with him about whatever and usually he’ll buy me a beer because his mind goes “oh this guy’s not a threat, I guess I overreacted and I’m embarrassed about that, I’ll offer him a beer” and we’re BFFs.

        If he seems like a dick, after the KNAVE stuff I’ll just ruin him further with stuff like “lol I’m just messin with ya man. If some dude was talking to my girlfriend, I’d get pissed too. How long have you guys been together?” to which the girl will usually be all “oh we’re just friends!” and it all goes downhill for him there until he slinks into the background while I flirt with the girl he had dibs on. I prefer the friend-making route though, if he seems like just a nice normal dude with a crush on her like I used to be.

        Note that this guy didn’t kick your ass. But if this were a letter to CH about how to handle a “that’s disrespectful dude” guy and you said “I’d make fun of him and call him a knave”, half the keyboard warriors would be going “dude you would get your ass kicked for that!” “my MMA buddy would punch a hole through your face if you tried that on him!” lol

        “And ya, like -every- time I approach a group and forget to engage the guys first…without fail, the guys will AMOG.”

        Ya for sure. Remember, to you she’s just some chick you met that night. To them she’s Sally, the goddess they’ve been slowly working on for 4 years and almost confessed their love for twice and maybe tonight will be the night…and then you come in being all awesome and fucking that up.

        Most guys are oblivious to sub-communications, but almost EVERY guy’s ear perks up when a girl suddenly bursts out laughing. So as soon as you spike a girl’s buying temperature, it’s like sounding an alarm to all the guys in her group or all the white knights around. Next thing you know you’re Solid Snake and every guy around you has an exclamation mark above his head lol…that’s when the REAL game begins. 🙂

        “Guy: (I’m about to just roll out…) Wow…OCD much?”

        Solid play on his part. If your girl had burst out giggling and smiling, it would have looked butt-hurt, but because she wasn’t into it, he’s just putting nails in the coffin.

        “Me: (blink — I see what he’s doing, but I just can’t believe that it works)”

        If his value is high enough, he could literally go “Hey buddy: BLAHHLAHGHAHGGH lol” and laugh to himself and the girls would all laugh with him and you’d be tooled. It all comes down to value. Tyler has a funny part in his 2hr audio from way back where he’s like “and the cheerleader is laughing at everything the jock says and the nerdy guy is like “wtf that’s not even FUNNY!!”” lol It’s all sub-communications of value under the surface.

        “Guy: Ya, serial killer.”

        Again, solid. Now he’s given you a second, even worse label. First was OCD so even if you stick around, anything you do he can be like “man, you even put your drink down OCD, look at that, it’s right by the edge perfectly lolol” But you didn’t go away so he upped the ante. Now you’re a serial killer and again, if you stick around he can turn anything you do into serial killer shit.

        This really was overkill on his part. He might just be a complete insecure dickhead/bully in general, or he might have considered you a threat, or, more likely because the girl wasn’t responding well to you, he was just getting rid of someone who was “bothering” his girl because he thought you’d try to stick around instead of being on your way to bail. No biggie, no reflection on you as a person, it’s just how he read the situation based on the response of the girl.

        Lots of lessons to learn from it, when you have to fend guys off from your girls in the future. 🙂

        “I’m probably going to focus hardcore on my appearance and style for now. It doesn’t seem like there’s a way around ‘looking the part.’ (Ya, you can always be super witty, awesome, etc….but getting to the required compensatory level just seems like a years-long endeavor now; looking the part can be dug into significantly over about 6 months, I’d say)”

        I’m not gonna’ tell you not to work on your looks because I think every guy should get himself in decent shape and dress well etc., and you’ve done awesome at getting in shape in general, and it won’t hurt you to look better, but understand that you won’t get a free pass. You’ll just be opening up a different can of worms.

        When you’re big and jacked, you get guys who want to fight you just because it would be bragging rights. So take a jacked Jersey Shore lookin’ white knight out with a girl he has a crush on, and have a scrawny little computer nerd talk to her…no big deal, who cares, let him talk to her, as if he could be any threat lolololz. Then have a big jacked dude talk to her and the radar goes off like a neon sign and it’s “o shit, who’s this motherfucker, I’mma kick his ass and look like a boss” and next thing you know he’s stepping up to you chest to chest to get you to go away instead of just verbally trying to tool you.

        Part of why I do well in the rich/6-pack crowd is because I don’t look like a threat at all. Guys don’t mind if I talk to girls in their group because they look at me and think “pfft, this guy’s harmless, my shoes cost more than his outfit lol, listen to him he just refused to buy her a DRINK, what a loser, and dude has a belly, doesn’t he know bitches love a 6-pack??” so I get time with the girls that I wouldn’t get if I was walking up looking like a threat. Then I get the girls laughing quick and suddenly the guy panics because he didn’t expect that to happen, but he won’t get up in my face threateningly because he thinks “THIS guys? pfft, I can just make fun of him and he’ll go away” and tries to verbally tool me. Which I destroy, which makes his girl love me even more because I just handled him like a boss.

        Then the guy goes into panic mode, where he realizes “o shit, I let an enemy into the compound!!” and this is where I try to befriend him because his options are either befriend me, slink into the background, or kick my ass lol. The beta guys will slink into the background, but the alpha guys will usually lean towards befriending or fighting. Befriending is usually what the rich guys in the high-end bars do, fighting is usually what the blue-collar cowboy types in the low-end bars do, so I have to calibrate to the situ but it’s not a big deal.

        My point is this:

        Say you’re out playing pool with the girl you’ve had a crush on for 4 years…you LOVE her, but you haven’t had the guts to tell her yet. You think she knows you like her, and you think she might like you too, and there’s all this chemistry between you two in your mind and you’ve envisioned your wedding and your life together and how many kids you’ll have and you’re waiting for the perfect moment to tell her and confess your feelings…maybe tonight, you’re both drunk, she’s in a good mood, you’ve been flirty at the pool table…maybe tonight is the night you’ll finally get your one true love and both live happily ever after together?

        Now two guys ask to play the next game of pool with your group. One is an average looking non-threatening normal guy. The other is a Brad Pitt in Fight Club look-alike. Who do you let play pool with you and who do you keep your girl faaaaar the fuck away from, or find the quickest (which is often the most violent) way to get rid of? 🙂

        Anyway, good stuff. You’re handling shit-tests like a boss. Time to start escalating more, and sooner. Instead of just talking to them, hold out your hands for them to take, and put their hands up around your shoulders and your hands around her waist and pull her in to talk. Say the same shit you do now, but up your kino. The type emotional rollercoaster stuff you do (“TRICK QUESTION. Spice Girls rule.”) combined with a little more sexual aggression will be an awesome combo.

        This one is ***SUPER***-gay lol but it’s good shit:

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      • ‘This really was overkill on his part.’

        I guess it was unexpected because I had just barely opened the girl, and the opener was — to me anyway — as indirect as it gets.

        However, this situ —- where you have yet to build value to the girl, and the guy is using his own value to tool you — is probably money when you get good at it. You’re at a disadvantage because, before you have value, you have to actually be funny, fun, etc. unlike the dude, who can just sub-communicate ‘I have value and you don’t,’ and get applause. But, coming back with a better frame and fun vibe is probably a huge DHV. I’m just not very good at it yet….

        And as for flying under the radar….

        I just figure that being short will get me that “extra” time, anyway, regardless of how I look. We’ll see….*fingers crossed*

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      • Wow and I thought mixed sets were scary. If this is it, I’m going to start approaching them more (compared to the barely any I’ve been approaching). As for my Day 2 with the club chick, that went nowhere. Went on my first date ever in my life (ended up being awkward cuz the sexual tension had fizzled out).

        Been doing a fair bit of online game, learning a lot. But I REALLY should get back out there. Haven’t talked to a cute girl in real life since Sunday afternoon lol.

        Still hanging in there.

        P.S. Awesome stuff Scray! Keep it up.

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      • @Hunter

        Hey, I still owe ya a Field Report breakdown. Get the fuck out there this weekend and talk to some cuties and post up an FR and I’ll give it a go. Online girls don’t count 😉 lol

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      • on August 16, 2013 at 11:02 am ain't nuttin but a gansta partayyy

        ” Next thing you know you’re Solid Snake and every guy around you has an exclamation mark above his head lol”

        dude…so good

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    • Beautiful women are the gold standard in beauty. My dick is color blind in the presence of it: http://www.100bucksbabes.com/gia-lashay/gia-lashay-14.html

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      • Hrmm… trying to figure out what about her face and skintone make her gorgeous. Can’t *quite* put my finger on it like you, Capt. Obvious. A little cream in ANY coffee is a fucking genetic gift and they damn well know it.

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      • Congrats newly, you picked the least attractive girl on that ENTIRE page of a 100 girls to drool over publicly. If you were to take a poll of all the readers on this posting she would come in 97th to 99th out of a hundred.

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  34. on August 12, 2013 at 6:03 pm FuriousFerret

    Fair colored Nordic women will always be the gold standard. It’s very simple. Youth universally has fairer complexions and coloring. So bright blond hair equals youth and fertility. Everyone has lighter colored hair when they are young and then it grows into a darker variant. This change is just more pronounced among euros than an Asian that starts out with black hair.

    Sweden is also the number one country in the world that uses Hydrogen Peroxide hair dye. The chicks there dye their hair and you can’t tell the difference since it blends in with their extremely fair skin.

    However, there’s a balance here. Nordic men don’t reap the rewards of fair features or hair. For the same reasons that the women are super attractive due to a hyper display of evolutionary cues, the men will suffer for. Tall, dark and handsome is the global standard because it is akin to maturity and dominance. Men don’t benefit from blond inflation, you have to have legitimate symmetry and stature to be considered handsome in a universal sense. Think Dolph Lundgren. Fair feminine features will appeal to a much smaller subset of women. Best to play up surfer, rock musician, artistic type if you fit in this category and then fish in you demographic.

    Also if you are a fair featured guy with a feminine face you will get fucked with. A lot. Men will read that you aren’t dominant while have some kind of weird jealously of you appealing to a least a subset while they appeal to none and shit test you hard. Recognize what it is and fight back accordingly.

    Concerning blond women, there is something that men can do. You can stop adding points for being blond. Stop fueling blond inflation. Do not add points for being fair skinned and blond. Reward actual beauty based on body and facial aesthetics. If there is one thing that the Swedish guys don’t have to deal with is that they don’t worship a girl because she has blond hair, so they don’t create stuck up goddesses solely because they are fair colored.

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    • It seems like platinum blond hair became especially prized during the black and white film era. It doesn’t seem like this feature was preferred either before or after that period. For many decades, you could not die your hair a color other than black or platinum. Nothing else was available to people, and platinum looked striking on “the silver screen” as hugh hefner calls it.

      Marylin Monroe was a natural brunette who died her hair platinum. But she also wore several sets of black fake eyelashes at a time, a look which a platinum haired woman would not have.

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      • on August 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm FuriousFerret

        ‘It doesn’t seem like this feature was preferred either before or after that period.’

        Platinum blond is the pinnacle of female hair color because it’s the ultimate hair signifier of prime fertility i.e hotness.

        Light hair and skin is desired across all cultures due to it’s relation to youth and blond hair is it’s ultimate extreme.

        Put the hottest woman from each culture in a room and then let every man have sex with only one of them. The blond Nordic chick 10/10 is going to wipe the floor with the rest simply because she displays fertility cues on steroids. Extremely soft features, small nose (nose never stops growing, small nose = youth), soft chin ( high estrogen), blue eyes, and of course golden hair (ultra youth cue).

        The theme is youth fertility cues here. They exist in Indians as well and that’s why it’s so powerful on Nordic chicks. In India, the youth will still have subtle lightness to their skin and hair along with smaller nose and ears. Males are ingrained to notice these small differences and it sets off chemical reactions. So imagine the Indian man who is programmed to notice these indicators in dark colored people when he runs into a blond chick. His shit goes haywire which why you see these crazy Indian tech nerds over here go insane over anything with blond hair. It’s like giving an American Indian alcohol. He’s just not built for it.

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      • “Put the hottest woman from each culture in a room and then let every man have sex with only one of them. The blond Nordic chick 10/10 is going to wipe the floor with the rest simply because she displays fertility cues on steroids. ”

        This scenario already happens, and the outcome you are describing does not happen. Victoria Secret has a line up of models, and I remember always hearing that Adriana Lima was the one that stood out to men, not the nordic looking girls next to her.

        There are also Miss Universe pageants, which is exactly the situation you are describing- a room where the hottest women from each culture stand and again Latinas have by far the highest rates of winning these pageants relative to their population size. Most of these Latina winners are primarily caucasian with a mix of other races as well. It is not surprising that racially mixed people would be able to be more attractive than single race people as they have the potential of getting the best features from different groups if they are lucky. A lady like Adriana Lima can get huge lips that more or less would not be found naturally on a 100% European woman, for example.

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      • As she sometimes is, FemX is correct. Adriana Lima is *the* hottest woman who has ever walked on Earth. This is objective fact, not opinion.

        [CH: No. Monica Belucci in her prime was the hottest woman ever. Aishwarya Rai in her prime a close second. Some French actresses are genuine 10s.]

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      • Bellucci is still far from fair in color, so I think her general point stands. Another top-tier girl with dark coloration: Alizée Jacotey.

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      • Wow CH….love you man but I didn’t know you could be so wrong about something!!! #mindfucked

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      • Also, throughout history in different cultures the most universal description of female beauty includes a contrast in color between skin, hair and lips. I have never actually come across a historical description of beauty that prizes fair hair though i imagine there must be some somewhere.

        Here is one from ancient India-

        “The Sangam poets of South India (who are roughly contemporary with the Kushan period) help us to restore some of the details, ‘skin like gold’, and ‘the darkness of black full tresses’, as well as the make up that produced ‘black-rimmed eyes’ and a ‘mouth red as coral’ (Varma, 2004: 96-99). The same colours appear in later sources and, muted by time, in the cave paintings of sites like Ajanta.”

        It is very similar to the description of snow white, the ancient chinese beauty ideal and the Islamic beauty ideal.

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      • “… I have never actually come across a historical description of beauty that prizes fair hair though i imagine there must be some somewhere. …”

        You have been looking in the wrong places.

        for many centuries fair featured women , including light or fair hair – have been popular in many cultures , not only in Europe ( but of course mostly in Europe ).

        I do not have time nor energy to provide links or books names, but I know I have read about this multiple times in the past.

        read up about – for example – the Romans or the Greeks and you will see for thousands of years women with fair or light features have been popular.

        I don’t know what you are looking at but you are missing a big part of human history here

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      • “I do not have time nor energy to provide links . . .”

        One stop shopping: http://facts.randomhistory.com/blonde-hair-facts.html

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      • Thanks kfg, I appreciate it

        Feministx should take a look at the link you provided, it says exactly what I said; blondes ( or fair haired women ) have been popular for thousands of years in many cultures and this is well documented.

        The popularity of blondes is not a recent phenomena that was created by Americans or by Hollywood.

        Feministx does not know enough to have an opinion on the topic or to present theories about it.

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      • Blond hair suggest youth and fertility, that is undeniable.

        let me take it further,

        pink nipples and pink labia also suggest youth

        White women tend to have the most pink nipples and pink labia of all races

        this is one more factor to consider in why white women are considered more attractive

        it is in our genes – all men of all races – to be attracted to youth and fertility,

        pink nipples and pink labia is attractive to men of all races, one could say it suggest virginity or purity.

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      • “The theme is youth fertility cues here. They exist in Indians as well and that’s why it’s so powerful on Nordic chicks. In India, the youth will still have subtle lightness to their skin and hair along with smaller nose and ears. Males are ingrained to notice these small differences and it sets off chemical reactions. So imagine the Indian man who is programmed to notice these indicators in dark colored people when he runs into a blond chick. His shit goes haywire which why you see these crazy Indian tech nerds over here go insane over anything with blond hair. It’s like giving an American Indian alcohol. He’s just not built for it.”

        He thinks those women are “easy” and that’s why he’s going haywire over them because he thinks they will sleep with him just like (he thinks) they are sleeping with you and every other man. Why does he think that? Because that is what our (American) media (both mainstream and porn, but is there really any difference these days?) portrays; easy to bed dyed blonde women.

        Satellite technology has now advertised Western women in general, and American women in particular, as being exactly like this.

        Men who immigrate here from traditional, family oriented cultures are thus hoping its true so that they can finally get laid without getting married first and without having to pay a prostitute.

        Believe me, I really wish it were true that men from all over the world were bowled over by our supposed beauty and charm and saw us as the most suitable marriage partners the universe has to offer. That would be nice.

        But unfortunately many of them see us in the exact manner that our media portrays us.

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      • “Men who immigrate here from traditional, family oriented cultures are thus hoping its true so that they can finally get laid without getting married first and without having to pay a prostitute.
        Believe me, I really wish it were true that men from all over the world were bowled over by our supposed beauty and charm and saw us as the most suitable marriage partners the universe has to offer. That would be nice.”

        In other words, strangers use our openness and freedoms against us – that’s what immigration does. They come here to take our financial opportunities (meant for us), or commit terrorism, or bed our women. “People from all over the world,” do everything possible to immigrate here for our opportunities. They should be thankful we let them in. We need to turn off the faucet, though.

        Who cares if they see as suitable marriage partners? Who wants to marry backward asses?

        The point is, whether they see us as suitable marriage partners or not, they lust most after white women. Deal with it.

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      • on August 14, 2013 at 5:41 am truth hurts i guess

        difference in marilyn monroe didnt have ugly huge hands/fingers/shoulders/deltoitds/forearms like you….she actually has curves and doesnt unnaturally place her arms behing her body like you to give off the illusion of curves….doesnt have a pot belly like you….doesnt have an undefined, fatty midsection like you…

        f.uck off you ugly mud…you dont hold a candle to an average aryan/slav/nordic/anglo/mediterranean

        your skin color is similar to the color of shit when i dont drink enough water…

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    • I wasn’t aware until this entry that (true) Nordic women were even considered to be the gold standard as I lived around them for decades and always felt more stricken by the beauty of women in places like Russian and Ukraine during family vacations.

      The imagined Nordic ideal is unfortunately not how Nordic women usually are. They tend to have much more masculine jaws, chins, brows, shoulders, and statures in comparison to Slavic women, and I am someone that actually LIKES a well-defined jaw on women (see Audrey Hepburn or Grace Kelly), but Nord girls go too far. Slavic women often display all of the Nordic coloration with none of the masculine shapes. While one might think that Nordic women are superior based on what they think Nordic women ought to look like, in reality, Slavic women will always come out on top.

      Also, Ferret, I have to say that Swedish and Scandi women in general do not have extremely fair skin…not by the age of 12 at least. They tan themselves like no other group of White women. The hair bleach is often less noticeable because many already have dirty blonde hair that has been lightened by sun exposure.

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      • on August 13, 2013 at 12:28 pm FuriousFerret

        “I wasn’t aware until this entry that (true) Nordic women were even considered to be the gold standard as I lived around them for decades and always felt more stricken by the beauty of women in places like Russian and Ukraine during family vacations. ”

        You’re immune to it. As I said Scandi guys don’t fall for blonde inflation so you actually rank girls based on their true physical beauty meaning that you put them on a bell curve. Other races that if they could vote with their dick would go with fair blondes.

        I’m Minnesota Swedish, I just based this off of studies and familial/friends type of knowledge. Actual Northern Euro guys probably have a clearer picture.

        I just know that my sister fits all the criteria for the Swedish Supermodel type and I saw how she was treated by society and how it’s very different for men and women with almost the exact same look.

        For reference, I would fuck Maja Ivarsson over any girl in the world. That’s probably not a first choice for many guys though.

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      • “I wasn’t aware until this entry that (true) Nordic women were even considered to be the gold standard ”

        First time I’m hearing it as well.

        I would imagine that perhaps (?) they are the gold standard in countries surrounding the Nordic countries? Or maybe the gold standard amongst Nordic descendents who do not live in Nordic countries?

        I’ve been all over the world and I’ve never heard anything about Nordic women, good or bad.

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    • Makes me think eye candy:

      Makes me think of candy stolen from a baby:

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    • on August 13, 2013 at 1:51 pm Hook or Crook

      Men don’t benefit from blond inflation, you have to have legitimate symmetry and stature to be considered handsome in a universal sense. Think Dolph Lundgren. Fair feminine features will appeal to a much smaller subset of women. Best to play up surfer, rock musician, artistic type if you fit in this category and then fish in you demographic.

      I won’t get started on why blond-haired men are generally no longer considered attractive *COUGH COUGH* POST-WWII PROPAGANDA *COUGH COUGH* but as a blond-haired, blued-eyed man (with very square, aggressive features; full disclosure) I can attest to the disparity in how you are initially perceived, and how you can leverage that to your advantage.

      My honest advice to all blond-haired/light-eyes men: stop being timid and apologetic about it. Hitler was a dirty, ugly brunette, and his supposed love for people like us does not equate him *with* us. Stop fearing that you will be labeled a skinhead or a ‘supremacist’ if you are rugged and outspoken; stop believing that you are a shameful reminder of some god-forsaken bygone era. The world has gone from adoring blond men to fearing blond men and now to outright despising them; it’s time to dial that back notch by notch. When I finally learned in my late teens that Mexican gangs would purposely target me because they thought that blond-haired men were girly or weak is when I learned to embrace the latent fear that many people have for this phenotype and wield it.

      Whether you like it or not, as a blond man you are probably a rarity where you live (unless you’re in Sweden, etc.), and in a world full of brunettes you are going to stick out. Embrace this. Girls expect you to be ditzy and feminine – this is a free, easily-passable shit-test handed to you based on nothing but your genetics.

      Ferret is correct when he says that the surfer or rockstar image suits blond men well, but – for my money – nothing shocks (and arouses) women faster than meeting you – as a blond male – and finding that you’re not a simpering apologist or a feminized chump; you’re a goddamn modern day viking.

      Or Draco Malfoy. Chicks dig the evil.

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  35. There is more than enough variability to male preference. The statistical “10” can be beaten by a beautiful 9 with the right stuff. Consider the white land-whales oft pictured here. Or those with blond but short hair. Game works both ways. Perhaps we need a series of posts to turn women into “being picked up” artists. With feminists all over, it should easily be competitive.

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  36. i’ve spent a fair amount of time overseas and the ladies already know what the men know.

    and maybe this is my opinion but the reason there’s bleaching deodorants, and anal bleaching, and every other kind of whitener is that we don’t just like light girls, we like girls without swarthy genitals and breast and crap.

    like latinas can be completely awesome to me, but i do not want to find dark nipples or dark regions of skin within their drawers. i want fair skin, smooth skin, even skin. some other groups like asians and latinas can occasionally have this but safest bet is just white.

    btw the advertising in thailand around this subject is hilarious, with like rays of sunshine emanating from the hot white asian chick’s armpits.

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    • I know it’s weird to me too, burke. I often will find a woman very attractive, but then the color of her nipples or gina will completely turn me off. I’ll still do it, but it’s just not 100% awesome. Some primal conditioning? Who knows. This is a great point as basically, this whole post could be simplified to “would you go down on this person?”

      If a girl isn’t super hot, I don’t even think about it, even if I am with her for months. They seem to learn the pecking order quickly and it’s bjs galore. However, the complete opposite/overreaction is true for stunning girls. I will literally lick a hot chick’s [email protected] if she is beautiful enough….

      So the distilled reasons behind why white chicks are hotter is simply, “If you had to pick one race of girl to go down on, assuming that the choices were all 8s or above in their own racial grouping, which would you choose.”

      The answer becomes rather obvious then and this is coming from a guy that doesn’t really like to do this “activity”. Perceived cleanliness and femininity resulting from conditioning over time perhaps decides this for us.

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  37. The white race is going extinct though and then there would be no beauty left in the world. This is why masculine white men and feminine white women should be pairing up to create beautiful families 🙂

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    • When the dust settles and the victims buried, there will arise a new order.

      In that new order, as with all others, the smartest and strongest will succeed, and over generations, breed new fair-skinned goddesses.

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  38. This is all a bit trite. Basically, feministx is saying that Caucasoid women are the most beautiful (true) and you’re adding that they’re especially beautiful if they’re also light-skinned, light-eyed or light-haired. Well, okay. But you two aren’t really contradicting each other, although she seems to believe you are. Both of you are talking about Caucasoid women.

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  39. I think feministx nailed it. To me, the most attractive women in the world are those of eastern and southern Europe, the Caucasus, the Middle East, and the subcontinent, which includes the full spectrum of skin tones. Hottest girl I’ve ever met was Armenian (black hair, but very pale skin). These women are more feminine than those of northern Europe, land of the manjaws and radical feminists.

    East Asians aren’t bad, far superior to sub-Saharan Africans. I don’t know if East Asian 10s even exist, but their average is just as good as the European average, imo.

    Latinas are obviously a hybrid group, and thus their quality varies substantially. But those that are at least half white are typically quite attractive.

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  40. M. Jackson could afford the Plastic Surgery to turn himself (sort of) into whatever he most admired and wanted to be.
    And what was that? Ha!
    The thing speaks for itself.

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  41. I think there’s a cultural/environmental component and a certain level of exposure that determines who you find attractive. Of course, the face seems to be more universal if the ratios work out to be more averaged.

    When I was a lot younger I didn’t like the tear drop asses of typical white women. I preferred the more rounded bubble butt shape of black women (non-fat). Then I moved to the white suburbs and over time my tastes expanded to include the asses I previously disliked. I guess it also helps when you actually experience sex with one.

    In fact, I became a little more forgiving overall when I started having sex. I still like bubble butts, but I’ve had moments of bliss with a range of shapes and sizes.

    What is the true message being alluded to with this post though?

    I wish this site were more unifying for all men. We’re all being marginalized, not just white men. The discussion of racial superiority, what does it achieve really?

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    • Please consider that when people talk about racial issues or white deterioration (both as a race and their countries) that it is coming from a place of genuine concern and not one of “superiority”. Believe me, I want nothing more than whites to wake up and prosper, but at the same time I am ashamed of what they have become and think many of them are impossibly stupid.

      Wanting one’s people to be safe and thrive in their own lands is not superiority it is simply what every other race is allowed to do without question.

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      • castricv

        I agree,

        and if our race ( white) was not slowly going extinct trough race replacement

        and if our race was not being constantly bashed on TV, in Hollywood movies, in the main stream media and by half the politicians

        then we would not have to talk about all the great things our race has done and all the things we do better than other races

        we are simply fighting back

        this is self preservation, this is self defense

        when everyone stops crapping all over white people. we will stop saying we are better than everyone else.

        feeling superior is NOT what motivates us, genuine concern for the survival of our children – our race – is.

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  42. I remember reading somewhere where it was complained that attractive black women in popular culture had the thin Caucasoid proportions (and some “black” women are actually half-castes) as opposed to the tradition thicker feature of the Negro woman.

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  43. Heartiste, will you stop with the nonsense and say something about Hugo Schwyzer already?!

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  44. The representation of the human form is not permitted in Islamic art so what was held as the Islamic ideal of beauty in antiquity has no verifiable source. African representation of the female form is primitive to the point that it resembles a child’s crayon attempt at capture. The answer to the question lies in what remains from the Indo/Sino/Euro, and pre Islamic North African and Persian civilisations. It is clear that the Greco-Roman held pale skin as the apex of beauty. From their own representations the Egyptians did not portray themselves as darkly African so we can probably assume they did not find dark skin as the ideal in beauty. Pale skin was the most highly prized in the Indo culture as another commenter has already touched on. Far eastern depictions suggest that a pale complexion was desirable in women and this is evident in the deliberately light facial appearance of the traditional Geisha. Take into account that the variety of hues available to the artist of old was nearly as extensive as that of today The evidence is clear and the only conclusion to arrive at is that in the areas where civilisation took hold early, the answer to the original question is an unequivocal yes.

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    • no golden skin(the color of honey) was the ideal in greek culture.pale skin and light features were signs of cowardice and sickliness.

      when cultures prefered ”pale”skin it was almost always a light olive,medium olive.not pinkish white.

      context,guys.

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    • no golden skin(the color of honey) was the ideal in greek culture.pale skin and light features were signs of cowardice and sickliness.

      when cultures prefered ”pale”skin it was almost always a light olive,medium olive.not pinkish white.

      context,guys.

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      • Call it whatever you like, but skin tones from the paler end of the spectrum have always been held as a beauty indicator above the darker tones in the civilised world.

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      • youre both right.
        it was only beautiful when women were pale not men. a pale basement dweller or some white collar workerwill be considered less attractive then the tanned warrior or outdoorsman.

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  45. How are you posting about topics other than Hugo Schwyzer?

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  46. on August 12, 2013 at 7:30 pm suppressedtruthsociety

    Most people I know (including myself) agree on the following:

    Asian women have the highest mean attractiveness, simply because their obesity rate is so low. However, white women are more likely to be in the 8-10 range (i.e. they have a higher variance).

    Another way of putting it is- white women have the greatest natural potential to be hot, but most of them squander it away with food and laziness. This observation seems to be in line with CH’s writings.

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  47. Being that this post references my comment, I feel invited to discuss it-

    CH said-

    “The premise is simple: The most desirable women are the ones most represented in mass media as icons of beauty. If Unavision and Korean beauty pageants are any indication, white women (and facsimiles of white women) are beloved in large swaths of the non-white world. In fact, based on media presence, it seems the only areas of the world where the beauty of white women *isn’t* idealized are in the homelands of whites: the Anglosphere and Europe.”

    My comment noted that the top .1% of caucasoid women were all similarly attractive regardless of the caucasoid ethnic group they came from. I am not arguing that even the prettiest mestiza in the world is as attractive as a white European supermodel.

    As for Asians, I am not sure they want to look white European. They seem to try to look half asian rather than fully white. This could be because they can’t look white even with considerable plastic surgery. Or it could be because their innate ideal is a half asian look, not a white European look. My experience is that half asian half white women look better on average than Asian and white women. I would be surprised if other people did not also generally have that experience.

    Studies that compare attractivness of races do not assess half asians as a separate group. If they did, I think they would actually have the highest average attractiveness.

    “The downside to using this method to determine white women’s relative attractiveness is the result-skewing effects of propaganda. The media both reflects cultural taste, and molds it in the image that the gatekeepers of social discourse want it to go. So a media blitz to, say, elevate the desirability of Aboriginal women would not be fairly representative of their attractiveness to the world’s men.”

    The media doesn’t distort everything. Thinness is clearly prized as is youth. For white people, tans are also obviously prized. Most non white races try to whiten their skin, but whites tan their skin. This could be cultural or it could be that there is a universally preferred skin color and that skin color is olive caucasian, not pale.

    [CH: Most white women don’t try to tan. Tanning is a preoccupation of a minority of white women, mostly Italian-American, and, if my SWPL ear to the ground is any indication, tanning is on the way out as a culturally spent force.]

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    • You can see blond aboringals here-

      to a lesser degree, archaic dravidians also had hair that bleached and light reddish tones to their hair. It is still observable somewhat today among more dravidian looking people. Hence, in South India, fair hair is seen as an irritating flaw.

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      • Some abos and melanesians have blond hair, yes. Australians are sometimes mystified at how often Euro-Abo mixes turn out blond, but there’s a reason for that. Note, however, that they don’t have blue eyes or red hair — or brains, for that matter.

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    • I don’t mean in a tanning bed only, which is going out of style because it is bad for you- it looks like the majority of white celebrities color their skin at red carpet events. They seem to use spray tanning or something.

      Most of the white women I know claim they want to go to the beach to tan. If you tell them they look tan after a vacation, they say thank you and look clearly flattered. If you tell me I look darker after a vacation, I will frown at you. I will not say thank you as it is not a compliment in my world.

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      • Tanning can cover up blemishes better.

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      • Exactly!

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      • Tan vs. pale is a status marker. Back when poor people spent their days outside doing farm work, tans were low-class and the aristocratic ladies slathered on white paint to look even paler.

        When poor people spent their days indoors doing factory work, all of a sudden a “healthy golden tan” became the mark of aristocracy, and upper-class ladies went sunbathing.

        Now even the working class can afford a beach vacation so there’s no status marker in having a tan. Being pale suggests you can afford to stay out all night and sleep during the day — plus there’s the “pays attention to her health” status marker associated with avoiding skin cancer, so I expect pale will continue to make a comeback.

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      • Tanning beds are truly bad for you. However, getting a light tan at the beach isn’t bad, so long as you use sunscreen. No matter how much sunscreen you use, you’ll still tan. So by using it, you’ll get a light tan, not dark.

        A photographer told me that a light tan has a tendency to make you look younger. Key word is light, a light tan. Dark tan doesn’t have the same effect. It covers certain skin flaws and makes the skin glow.

        That’s why celebrities get fake tans. Models spray a light tint before a photo-shoot to legs and arms so the skin appears blemish free.

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      • Each and every time I go to the pool to swim laps and keep my already toned body tone, I see women laying out, cooking their skin like beached whales. This statement applies even to the thinner ones; they are “skinny fat” and could use the exercise I’m getting. I saw an 8 the other day (yes, despite what I’m saying, I have to grade on a curve)–about 5’7″ and 122 pounds, nice little ass, good shape to her legs….yet when she stood up, a lot of flabbiness. Don’t get me wrong, I’d sleep with her, but if she only *exercised” 1/3 as much as I do, she’d be *amazing*. And I see others like her every time I go to the pool. I’m not gay but I give credit where it’s due. I see men all around who lift weights and have great bodies. I’m one of them. Women only have to watch their eating and stay thing (not firm). But, of course, that would mess up their hair. This is another reason I’m checked out. I’m truly checked out; it’s not just beta bitterness. There are no high quality women who deserve the prize (me). I want to tell some of these white women that, if they only knew, they are sexier when they are pure white, even with the veins showing, as opposed to cooking themselves in the sun.

        Go to a pool in a trendy apartment building in, say, Miami. You will *never* see a woman swimming laps. I have seen women lay in the same position (as if they are dead) for 3 straight hours! A woman stays thin, even if she’s flabby, and has a decent face–the world is hers. She thinks. But she’ll keep riding the cock carousel until she’s 34 or even 38…and her brain does not work in such a way that she realizes she’s not 27 anymore.

        So Time publishes an article called ‘having it all without kids” lzozlzolzozlzl

        L.M.F.A.O.

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      • “I have to grade on a curve”
        Everyone is these days.
        .
        “about 5’7″ and 122 pounds, “
        Is not fat. It’s just right. Maybe you’re confusing bigness with fat? Most men love petite or average-height girls.
        .
        “nice little ass, good shape to her legs….yet when she stood up, a lot of flabbiness.”

        Sometimes, this happens but it’s hard to believe with a 5’7″ and 122 pounds woman. Are you sure she was 122 and not heavier? How do you know her weight?
        .
        “I see men all around who lift weights and have great bodies. I’m one of them.”

        I’ll let you in on a little secret. Men who focus too much on their looks aren’t that manly. It’s a gayish mentality. Not saying you’re gay of course, just don’t fret over your looks that much. It suffice to appear masculine, a man doesn’t need to look like Adonis. This is one of the mistakes you’re making. You are worried too much about how you physically appear to females, and not focusing enough on your mindset and personality. Women love men with a masculine attitude. I think you need to concentrate there. I am not saying become a fat slob bum either. Just saying that a man doesn’t have to look perfect to attract females, so long as he oozes a certain masculine vibe that women love to whiff up. I hope I am not being too harsh on you. I genuinely want to help you if I can.

        .
        “Women only have to watch their eating and stay thing (not firm). “

        Women, on the other hand, do need to look as perfect and as gorgeous as possible to attain male interest. They should try to look their best within the confines of what they physically have. I am not saying average-looking girls can’t get attention. They can, because many men are afraid to hit on seriously beautiful women – they’re intimidated by beauty. But this is what separates the alphas from the betas, right?
        .
        “But, of course, that would mess up their hair.”

        The French say, 80% of a woman’s beauty is her hair. Don’t discount gorgeous hair.
        .
        “This is another reason I’m checked out. I’m truly checked out; it’s not just beta bitterness. There are no high quality women who deserve the prize (me).”

        With this attitude, you’re too full of yourself. The first step to be liked by people is to have a small ego, even more so when you are clearly a very intelligent, attractive, high-earner type of man who has something to be arrogant about. Haughtiness puts people off, including women. If you’re going to act conceited, you should only do it in the context of mindgames and in the course of lively banter with girls. Otherwise, don’t carry around such an attitude. It comes across like a loser trying too hard to be thought of highly.
        .
        “I want to tell some of these white women that, if they only knew, they are sexier when they are pure white, even with the veins showing, as opposed to cooking themselves in the sun.”

        I agree on the cooking. That’s why getting a light golden tan is best. I went to the beach on Saturday and I used an 80 SPF, and I still got a nice glowing tan. Regarding the veins, no we chicks don’t like veins, which is why we like a bit of color to camouflage veins and flaws.
        .

        “Go to a pool in a trendy apartment building in, say, Miami.”

        You need to go to some of the hotels down on Collins Ave. on weekends. Sometimes you can purchase a day pass to use the pool and get beach service. You might pick up some hot girls. Lots of model-types going there to meet rich businessmen. You might hook up with one. Whatever you might think about such women, they are better than the dancer skanky types.

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      • at only 5’10” and 38 years old if I didn’t work out I’d be small and fat (belly) at the same time…like my dad…not attractive enough *at all* evne though I know it’s not about looks for men.

        you are talking about natural 6’2″ broad shouldered naturals…what women like….they give no credit for effort in any area….texting, etc.

        it’s all about looking like you’re not trying no matter what the context

        see also black people playing sports

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      • 5’10″ is not short. I’m not saying don’t work out, just don’t be resentful about it – saying women don’t have to do anything to look good. It simply not true! Women have to do a lot more to maintain hottness than men do, as men need to look somewhat masculine and supplement the look with attitude. Whereas, women can’t supplement their looks with personality and attitude. Initially, a woman is either hot or not. Of course, once in a relationship she must be a decent woman – be compassionate and nurturing – as opposed to being a stupid bitch with nothing more to offer. How does the saying go? The hottest woman has a man tired of fucking her. If she can’t keep him around with her looks, he will start roaming. As she ages, if she can’t keep her body thin and tight, it will start to lose its effectiveness. So it’s not that easy for women. It really is harder.

        I think American women “checked out.” They don’t care about men or respect them anymore, which is why they let their looks dissipate, way before age takes over. They have been convinced by feminists that men should be more attracted to their minds than to their looks. It’s nonsense; no one could change biology and most definitely not wishful-thinking feminists.

        Anyway, stop looking at what you don’t have, and focus at what you do have. Who cares about the 6’2” and black men playing sports? Stop the envy. Just focus on yourself and try to work within the confines of your body. I think once you ditch the negative attitude, especially once you stop judging women so harshly (which comes across as bitterness), you’ll start to make 180-degrees change in your life.

        Besides, you shouldn’t just work out to look attractive for women. Think more about the health benefits it provides. When you look like you don’t give a shit at the gym (as opposed to looking eager to meet someone) it’s when it’ll happen. Act like you have things on your mind while you’re working out. Women love men that look too preoccupied to notice them. All of a sudden you’ll notice they’re staring at you.

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      • Lily,

        Though I can not speak for Checked out, I am more conceited in an anonymous blog comment thread than in person and I would think this is true for many of us.

        I may brag about my big arms here but I would never walk up to a woman and tell her ” hey don’t you like my big arms? ”

        for what that was worth…

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      • And about thin women that still have some flabby fat here and there?

        I see them too, and it is usually a sign of bad nutrition and bad habits such as never exercising

        A woman could weigh only a 100 pound and still have a tiny bit of fat in weird places, as I said in almost all cases it is poor diet and lazyness

        bad posture – which is often present along with bad diet and lazyness – does not help either

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      • Canadian Friend,

        I owe you an email. I was away when you wrote me. I will respond though.
        I hope things are good, if you know what I mean. Finally?
        😉

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      • I fear some will make fun of me but here I go anyway

        sunscreen is poison.

        I never use it I simply spend less time in the sun.

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    • on August 13, 2013 at 4:49 am Lucky White Male

      The “Tan” represents the income and social class to take vacations.

      If a woman has a tan she is signalling she has this. The income or even better, the man who has the status to pay for it

      In SWPL land I see the “mid winter tan” as a status symbol – you’re in Florida or the Caribbean in Feb High Season

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      • I think the argument for the white tan signifies lots of free time and wealth is tired and quickly fading. For the most part, people who are consistently tanned are guys like me that work outside a lot (even though I run the business I’m always outside anyway still) or try hard girls who live at the tanning salon. It is not possible to keep a “vacation tan” more than a few days. Also it takes a lot more work than most people want to do and you are restricted by seasons, climate, geography etc. in how much you can do it unless you have a bed.

        I think with the Jersey shore phenom coupled with most people that don’t live on a coast choosing to forego the beach as a more prole destination, tanning is becoming less of an issue. Have you seen blondes who tanned a lot hit thirty five? They look like wrinkled bags of leather. Couple this with less whites as a percentage and the scarcity principle kicks in. Now of course being sickly, Twilight white will only get you so far, but the days of bronzing are in fact mostly over….

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      • Quick aside- from about 50 years ago to when I was a kid (about 20 years ago) tanning was still all the rage (I remember my mother hopelessly yet sometimes succeeding in tanning her pale English skin).

        It wasn’t the stupid Coco Channel theory, nor was it the “signifier of free time wealth” that drove the fad. It was simply two things. People perceived it as a feel good way to complete your overall look especially if you exercised a lot (Vitamin D gives one a good jolt). And second, there were far more white people as a percentage and thus differentiating yourself in what people thought was a healthy way was seen as a good thing.

        People of course do not consider health readily in matters of what will make them happy so the only variable that has changed is that being white in and of itself is becoming more pronounced as the nation gets darker. One does not need to tan when trying to get girls in Africa or Asia as it would seem stupid to them. Whereas in Latin America (especially Central America) being white is almost a ticket to poon town.

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      • There is an industry geared towards selling white women products that will make their skin look like it has a “glow” year round. There is faux tan sprays, bronzers, lotions that contain coloring etc. In Asia, the same major cosmetics companies we have here do not sell bronzing products and instead sell skin lightening products.

        It is possible that tanning is some sort of a cultural phenomena, but I suspect that it is actually an attempt to achieve a more attractive skin tone. Some people believe the white skin results from having the luxury of choosing the prettiest women. Unlikely. White skin has an extremely important practical function, which is that it significantly increases vitamin D absorption. Vitamin D deficiancies are very common among darker skinned people living in North America and Europe. A Vit D deficiency makes you feel like crap- totally lethargic. It also makes you have intense meat cravings as meat is an alternate source of Vitamin D .

        It is not clear where or when white skin evolved. It may have come from people in temperate climates and spread into the continent of Europe. In any case, the ability to absorb vitamin D from sunlight reduces dependence on red meat, so I would expect that white skin evolved in northern climates as agriculture took hold as it would allow people to function better while eating less meat (grains are also less dangerous to acquire). Eskimos also live in cold climate, but they eat meat products throughout the winter. Coincidentally or not, they do not have white skin. Possibly because they don’t need it in the winter as they have access to more vitamin D throughout the year.

        I suspect that the current cultural environment correctly reveals an innate preference for light golden skin as the universal ideal. Pale skin that northern European people have is not really prized. I do not get the impression that mediterrean women and middle eastern caucasian women try to lighten their skin to look more like nordic women. It seems like they and latinas have the universal ideal skin color (at least in present times), so they don’t need to do anything with it.

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      • It depends on the climate. Fair skin in a northern, overcast climate, is not a problem. It can be a disadvantage in a sunny climate.

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      • You are probably right. Fair skin allowed people to thrive in low sunlight climates.

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      • “There is an industry geared towards selling white women products that will make their skin look like it has a “glow” year round.”

        That’s because the beauty industry discovered that a light tan tends to make one look younger. Also, a light glow suggests vibrant healthy skin. These creams are lightly tinted; they won’t give you the look of a deep tan.

        On the other hand, “faux tan sprays, bronzers, lotions that contain coloring” tend to make you look blotchy; they don’t work, like all fake things. They’re made for people who want to appear they have a real tan, not just look healthy and glowing. These products look fake and disgusting.

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      • on August 13, 2013 at 9:57 am Lucky White Male

        White women are wonderful. I agree with you.

        Thank God for White Women

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      • Lara said ; “… You are probably right. Fair skin allowed people to thrive in low sunlight climates…. “

        it is not feministx’s idea

        this has been known for decades

        it is called science.

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      • “It is possible that tanning is some sort of a cultural phenomena, but I suspect that it is actually an attempt to achieve a more attractive skin tone.”

        It is. The ideal is the Beyonce shade. A medium golden honey.

        The perfect “middle ground” between sickly pale (Nicole Kidman) and deep purple black.

        This color is also described in many ancient and medieval texts.

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      • Beyonce IS NOT “A medium golden honey.” She’s not honey (light, medium, or dark), period. She’s black.

        She uses makeup to cover up her black complexion and make it look slightly lighter. Many dark-skinned actresses use such makeup tricks.

        Ask any man who is hotter, Beyonce or Nicole Kidman in her youth, easily they will choose Nicole Kidman.

        As far as true golden honey, it’s what a light tan gives you – a golden honey hue. Except, black women don’t tan golden honey.

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      • Using Beyonce as an example of beauty only makes the thread’s point all the more… aside from the obvious white admixture (or is that a tone of plastic surgery and skin-lightening cremes?)… notice what she does with her hair.

        Negro? Mediterranean dark and sultry? Nope… blonde and straight.

        Nothing like making the opponent’s argument for him.

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      • No question about it; straight hair is the most beautiful. But, not all blondes are beautiful.

        In addition, there are many brunette actresses who are gorgeous.

        So, I think the key words here are “white women” in general, not just blondes.

        I’m a long-haired blonde BTW, and I do recognize there are dark-haired women who are beautiful. Facial beauty doesn’t have anything to do with your hair color. It has to do with your facial features, facial skin color and flawlessness, your smile, and hair length and texture. If you look at magazines, these are what all beautiful women have in common.

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      • “So, I think the key words here are “white women” in general, not just blondes”
        Like if the pretty Asians didn’t have straight hair.

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      • Ask any man who is hotter, Beyonce or Nicole Kidman in her youth, easily they will choose Nicole Kidman.
        ———————————————————————————————-

        Yeah, but after fucking for 30 days, you want Beyonce because all Nicole Kidman can do is lay in bed all pale and stiff like The English Patient

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      • So, Asians have straight hair. What’s your point? They don’t have the facial features necessary, though. Slanted eyes don’t cut it. Sometimes, they have chubby faces and/or are too short and scrawny as well. No, they are not the ideal in beauty. White women are still the leading example of beauty.

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  48. The documentary “The Human Face” ,with John Cleese hosting/narrating, had a segment regarding universal beauty standards. It turns out there is a scientist who has created an overlay based on the golden ratio and the magic triangle. Faces of beautiful people, no matter the race, conformed to that overlay. The positioning of the eyes vs the nose, nose to mouth, nose to cheeks etc. All the beauties conformed to those ratios. I forget the name of the researchers.

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    • “It turns out there is a scientist who has created an overlay based on the golden ratio and the magic triangle.”

      Right.

      “Faces of beautiful people, no matter the race, conformed to that overlay.”

      Yep! The more symmetrical the face, the more beautiful it is. Marilyn Monroe is one of the few anomalies of this rule. Her face doesn’t adhere to the formula, and yet she is beautiful.

      However, other than a symmetrical face, a woman also needs to have other secondary facial cues of beauty/femininity, such as a nice smile, pretty hair, full lips, nice skin. These differentiate the 6/7s from the 8/9/10s. Can you imagine an absolutely gorgeous girl with yellow or crooked teeth? Doesn’t work. Or, a pretty girl with too short a hair or kinky hair? She’d be a 7 at best. Lips can be in the right place symmetrically speaking, but thin lips takes you down to a 6, facial wise. Anyway, thin-lipped women tend to lose elasticity in the lip area much faster.

      Regarding skin color, black or dark brown skin colors aren’t as beautiful as white flawless skin. The prettiest African model is but a 5 compared with the mediocre of white models. Their beauty just doesn’t compare, even if they have a face that adheres to the formula.

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  49. “Another method is to examine the historical sex slavery data to find out, contra FeministX, if white women have or haven’t been the “gold standard” in attractiveness for a long time.”

    What is defined as white? Some people would call lebanese women white. Others would not.

    “Peter Frost has a series of post looking into this very question, and the results are sure to stick another shiv into the black hearts of beauty relativists: White women (and whiter women) have historically been desired as concubines and sex slaves by non-white men”

    Peter Frost’s “historical” data is a quote by a 20th century academic, not an arab primary source.It said-

    “The same convoys of booty also included women, these Frankish women who were all the more sought after in Cordova because they were blond and fair-skinned. ”

    That is the academic’s interpretation. The 11th century arab author spoke rather disparingly about white people. I am not sure where this academic got his information and what parts are factual and what parts he invented.

    As for Arab sources, the 72 virgins promised in heaven in Islam are black eyed virgins. The prophet Mohammad would inspire his followers with the most ideal description of female beauty, which was black eyed women (which would not be found in Europe). Mohammad should have been exposed to blond and fair eyed women through his vast conquests of lands which had fair people at the time. Yet, the arab description of heavenly beauties is black eyed women with white skin that contrasts with black hair.

    The European story of snow white also notes that the contrast between white skin and black hair is an ideal. South Indians also prize fair skin and jet black hair. Surprisingly, dravidians had fairer hair than indo aryans. When I would go to India, my aunts would get upset to see how brown my hair was and they would try to darken it (and whiten my skin).

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    • well those hooris are ment to servents then concubines. but fair dkin rules there. they even dyed their hair after seein the blonde an redhaed slaves. in india the true dravidians have broad features and very dark hair n skin. those are priolky ones that had an admixture from the high castr brahmins. its more common with northeners like jammu harayana punjab utter pradash.the south indians full blood are basically borderline black

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      • ya that is true. But Mohammd didnt make that standard of beauty, it just always has been like that. The fair hair on the already desirable fair skin is the mere cherry on top.
        Ya in india the only dravidians youll see that have some sorta fair feature may have some distant aryan admixture. True dravidians would be dark brown to black in color. Fair in their concept would like average to a north indian. Aishwaryia Rai is a fluke though since her blood line is I think has some saka central asian blood or something (gotta find the link) . Genelle D’Souza,Frieda Pinto would be considered really fair south indian. while Rai,Noureen Dewulf and Sunny leone would be considered fair north indians. But those women with their features could pass for latin or european background(italian greek etc).
        The most attractive female features the white women naturally have it. Slim noses and big eyes(asian women chase it), indians and middle easterns like the nose, skin and porportional bone struture. They have better curves then the indian and middle east woman whom if naturally thin are usually a shapeless skinny fat.
        white women get ripped on for havin no booty but compared to indian, middle eastern and asian women, they got the curves. Sometimes the black and latin booty is overdone.
        Lotta people say these 3 women look good. True, but only cause they emulate the typical european girl’s features(sometimes latin since they have european lineage).
        even without western influence those features have always been desired. Why else would ther be so much competition for them by black,latin,indian and arab men. They are the golden rule. If those men can’t get those girls and pick a girl from their community, theyd pick one that emulates those features.
        I met guys that like these ethnic women and those pretty ones they pick out share the attractive parts of the white woman.

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    • on August 12, 2013 at 11:41 pm Eliezer Ben Yehuda

      A majority of “white” genes in the middle east only arrived with the Crusader kingdoms. 400-500 years after the life of Mohammed.

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    • So much textual diarrhea. Only a woman could write so much and say so little.

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  50. “Are White Women The Gold Standard In Beauty?”

    Yes. The rest is commentary.

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  51. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/12/americans-renouncing-citizenship-in-record-numbers-seek-to-avoid-tax/

    “Globally, more U.S. citizens have renounced their citizenship in the first and second quarters than all of 2012 combined, and 2013 is already on track to becoming a record year for renunciations. A total of 1,130 names appeared on the latest list of renunciations from the Internal Revenue Service, according to Andrew Mitchel, a tax lawyer who tracks the data. That is far above the previous high of 679, set in the first quarter, and more than were reported in all of 2012.”

    Liberal answer: more taxes.

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    • It’s a sharp rise indeed, but considering the U.S. population, it is microscopic. I’d only consider it significant if it went over 100,000.

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      • Corvinus, perhaps looking at the percentage jumps is more apt than looking at it in terms of percentage of overall population. Consider what this crazy government would do if in fact that number got anywhere near 100,000.

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      • If the UK gov’t is any indication, my answer would be “jack shyt”.

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      • I guess the more apt analogy would be the number of serial killers. In 2011 let’s say there were 87 nationwide and they killed 500 people. Let’s also assume that that 87 number was near average for years, even decades before 2011.

        In 2012, (again hypothetical) there were 218 serial killers and 1280 victims. Now 218 of 300 million is nothing and the victims numbers per killer did not surge, but the percentage jump of total killers is alarming. The reasons would have to be ascertained soon or a national panic would break out.

        You see in this country citizenship renouncing is a major thing, especially when you consider most people can live abroad for quite some time and still retain citizenship and it’s privileges. Therefore, a real statement of intent is being made when one gives it up. All it would take is far less than your 100,000 number from above to completely derail the tax base, destroy industry, and cripple the economy if they are amongst the especially rich and powerful.

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      • Renunciation is new, sure, but again… the U.S. is always supposed to be a country of immigration, not emigration. We get over 600,000 new citizens every single year through USCIS, and so a loss of 1,000 is nothing.

        If Americans started actually emigrating to the rest of the world, i.e., moving abroad permanently, like Latinos and Asians are always doing here — rather than simply expating, which would imply wanting to come back — then we could expect to see a lot more renunciations going on.

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      • You are making an equalist’s mistake. Not all people are the same or interchangeable. The 600,000 coming in are generally low in education and have little net assets/money. The ones leaving are usually extremely well educated and propertied.

        Therefore you have both a knowledge drain AND a capital loss. One that is sorely needed to fund the programs that the new arrivals will use in higher proportions than the regular citizens.

        Cascade begin.

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      • You need to also look at the net worth of those giving up US Citizenship. I am certain it’d be very high compared with the national median wages.

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      • Supposedly… but if the numbers continue to go up as steeply as they have, we can bet they’ll eventually start to include regular white Americans who are not members of the 1%.

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    • “Globally, more U.S. citizens have renounced their citizenship in the first and second quarters than all of 2012 combined”

      When I worked abroad as a US citizen I had to pay taxes there AND here, so I can understand why they renounce their citizenship.

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  52. Reblogged this on Hipster Racist and commented:
    Short answer – yes.

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  53. My favorite Indians are the Nez Perce, who lived peaceably in the American Northwest for millinenia until the idiot US Government got involved. Alone among native American groups they had mastered the art and science of the selective breeding of horses. Their great pride was the Appaloosa breed. It was a superior animal., in its time and place.
    In 1877, they put on a pretty good little war against the depraved progressives who were out to kill them all, for daring to resist The Plan. They had to leave their ancient land in Wallowa valley and were forced to fight (and usually win) a series of battles until they were finally worn down in the Bear Claw hills of Montana – 1300 miles away.
    I raise Appaloosa horses and have walked or ridden most of that trail, at one time or the other.
    There is even a pretty good song about it: “The Heart of the Appaloosa” by Fred Small.

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  54. o just throwin it out there ashwariya rai is actual of central asian orgin apperntly hence her fair complxion. look it up..douth indians are never that fair only north indians. i noticed that the sexist indian and middle east women can pass for latin or southern european. and i say this as a colored man. white women features are desirable in every woman

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  55. I know fair women are celebrated in romantic and courtly literature, but my experience forces me to agree with the observations of our vibrant Indian-American friend. Men LOVE the petite brunette beauties.
    I’m blonde, of Nordic and Celtic ancestry, and while I often receive a comment of the “you’re tall (5’9″) and blonde, life must be great for you” variety, I live out an odd paradox: these remarks come from OTHER WOMEN!
    It was true in college and it holds in graduate school: men love brunettes. I have a wonderful boyfriend. I’m very grateful for him. I’m a dancer and have beautiful legs, but my SMV isn’t NEARLY what people seem to think it is.
    I just noticed at party after mixer after business meeting, a tiny (5′), fair-skinned, raven-tressed brunette (blue eyes are even better) would create quadruple-takes/ a stampede. Slight or chubby. Guys flirt with me but they would fight over my tiny roommate. They hit on my colleague.
    My cousins were/ are considered “studs” and went for Italian women: 5’1″ and nearly 200 lbs. I mean they get these looks on their faces and go into a different dimension when these women are around.
    Recently, I overheard the men’s watercooler discussion of which female celebrities they’d give/receive foot massages from: Eva Mendes, Pocahontas, Jessica Alba, and the lady on the “Whipped Cream and Other Delights” album cover came up.
    I just feel that I’m what men are told they want, but their body wants something else. I get the feeling they don’t quite know what to do with that dichotomy.
    I’m also a dork, so I know that factors into it! I helped make Athol’s “Mindful Attraction Plan” #1 on Amazon 😀

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    • on August 12, 2013 at 9:53 pm FuriousFerret

      Guys go after what they think they can take down.

      If you are what you purport to be, then most guys aren’t really going to hit you hard. They might flirt but when you give no IOIs back of course they go after easier prey.

      I hate the whole good looking woman saying ‘That guys don’t hit on me, blah blah blah”.

      No they do fucking hit on you, they just don’t go all in. They make light flirts and other pathetic displays hoping you give obvious IOIs that they can take further. If you are a hot blonde you get hit on every other minute of any public outing and it’s so normal to you that it’s akin to a fish swimming in water. You simply don’t get hard approached except by the cocky men.

      “It was true in college and it holds in graduate school: men love brunettes.”

      Men love brunettes because they perceive them to be easier and think they have a chance. Their dick prefers hot blondes though.

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      • In my experience, men love blondes. Petite or average-height blondes are the most desired. I’m one, so I know. However, there are many men that love brunettes. They especially love the light skinned and light-eyed ones. However, you’d also be surprised: there are lots of white men that love dark-skinned dark-eyed dark-haired girls (not necessarily black women, but brownish women, such as Indians or Hispanics). I don’t know why. I don’t think these girls are particular pretty, but still there are men that love that look.

        What I think we have to stress here is that a man’s preference, is just a preference. I assume that if a gorgeous girl showed up and she isn’t necessarily your type, you wouldn’t turn her down. That means that if you like blondes, and a hot brunette came into your life, you wouldn’t be complaining. It’s very rare to find a man that is glued to his type. It’s very rare. Men follow what turns them on, and a hot girl, no matter her coloring, will turn most men on.

        The one thing most of us agree here is that white women are the most attractive. And, by white I don’t mean the Aryan look necessarily. White women come in all varieties, not just Aryan, as some here would like to push. Beauty is universal. Most men throughout the world (from all races and backgrounds) agree what constitutes a beautiful woman – it’s usually a young thin white woman with nice long hair, pretty features, and a nice smile. This is repeatedly depicted on magazine covers.

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      • “It was true in college and it holds in graduate school: men love brunettes.”

        Men love brunettes because they perceive them to be easier and think they have a chance. Their dick prefers hot blondes though.

        It’s a milder version of delusional fatties thinking men love fat chicks because they’re often used for one-night stands.

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      • ‘I hate the whole good looking woman saying ‘That guys don’t hit on me, blah blah blah”.’

        Meanwhile, they have like 30 orbiters…..
        C’mon, they know. We all know. It’s just like when women say that they have a -pretty- friend that they would set you up with. We know that it’s impossible that the pretty friend could be any prettier than the girl we’re talking to, and we know that the girl is just using ‘pretty’ as a catchall for ‘fun’ ‘cool’ ‘etc.’ ‘who gives a shit.’ Because girls like being called ‘pretty’ and so girls compliment one another’s positive attributes by making them fungible to ‘pretty.’ But reality cannot transmute one thing to another so easy as words can.

        ‘Men love brunettes because they perceive them to be easier and think they have a chance. Their dick prefers hot blondes though.’

        I kinda just think their dick prefers ‘hot.’ To me, when you take care of the ‘hot’ part, it’s hard to really distinguish. Like, Megan Fox, Stacey Dash, January Jones, etc. in a lineup, in their prime? I dunno, ummm….any of them is fine for me 🙂

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    • never gone for light hair myself, or tall girls (i’m over 6 feet) and i sort of know what you mean. i see a short girl with a good body, dark hair/eyes and creamy skin and i go nuts for it.

      last one claimed to be puyallup, but whatever, she was totally white. carried her away for the evening and talked procreation

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    • Tall & blonde doesn’t necessarily equal pretty. Also, tall blondes tend to be somewhat lacking in the figure department. I’m guessing the short little brunettes who eat all your lunches are rather well-endowed.

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    • no, it’s probably your height that made the difference. lots of guys are intimidated by tall women. if you were 5′, you’d probably have gotten most of the attention vs. the brunette.

      also, the taller you are, the hotter you need to be. a 6 who’s 5’9″ ends up looking less attractive to guys than a 6 who’s 5′. tall and ugly is a bad combination for women.

      My cousins were/ are considered “studs” and went for Italian women: 5’1″ and nearly 200 lbs

      are you sure you’re not exaggerating? that’s seriously obese, and not most men’s preference.

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    • It’s because you are tall, possibly bigger boned, and not super feminine. Coloring is secondary, compared to how you match up to him physically. Women, like men, who make them feel petite, feminine and easily physically dominated. I’m assuming the opposite is true of men.

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  56. Feel obliged to add at least one dissenting voice to this aryan love fest…

    All this talk about Pronstars and, unless I missed it, no mention or inclusion in calculations of the very substantial and well-received offerings from Japan. Wonder whether more (higher percent) of Japanese guys watch American stuff vs. American guys watching Japanese stuff (even though most still has the censoring, which sucks obviously).

    When I was a kid, I was into white girls (though never preferred blondes really), and thought that was just natural being white myself, but later I just began to see them all (at least the attractive ones) as skanks/sluts… Seems like something of a learned preference. I’ve had an East Asian preference ever since. Even though I recognize that some white women can be extremely attractive, I wouldn’t normally seek out their Pron offerings. Some decent looking blonde girl down the hall from me at harvard pulled me aside one day and said I was discriminating against white girls, but she was like invisible to me by that point…

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    • You are like so totally awesome and enlightened. Now don’t be late for your women’s studies class where you can continue to let your professor’s castrate you personally and condemn your own race and country.

      Aryan love fest? Watching a movie from the 50s must seem like a klan rally to you.

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      • He’s just another snarky darky spoutin’ off… nothing to see here.

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      • Or a cogdis Yahudi… or a deracinated SWPL…

        All of the above of no account.

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      • Wow, wrong on all counts, sir. Just got tired of white sluts. The solution advocated on this site is just to shag the sluts, but never get suckered into marriage with them. No kids, no worries. But, guess what, your precious white genes die with you.

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      • Ya right, January Jones would be invisible to you like a dick in your ass would be unfelt.

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      • And we’re supposed to think that East Asian chicks aren’t sluts? After you bring up Jap pr0n?

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      • The 50s are gone, bro. The country isn’t the same and it’s getting worse fast. Get out while you still can.

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      • The 50s are gone, bro. The country isn’t the same and it’s getting worse fast. Get out while you still can.

        Co-sign x100.

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      • Whatever score and six years ago, our fathers brought forth on this internetz, a new blog, conceived in cuntery, and dedicated to the proposition that all men can game equal.

        Now biff has engaged the comment section, testing whether that blog, or any blog so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

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  57. FeministX is a fucking retard.

    -Friedrich Nietzsche
    Human, All Too Human, 1878

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  58. Thin Indian women have the thinnest and consistently pretty feet, on average. They belong in my mouth during missionary anal, just as feministx’s do, though she’s a retard.

    There’s a young Asian girl, the chinky asian, not cow worshipping asian, and she has the most adorable puckered lips and natural long eye lashes and one day she came on the bus with her father, and it was horrifying to discover she gets her gorgeous features from her father.

    Yada yada yada, it turns out what they say about Asian men is true.

    this has nothing to do with anything.

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  59. Off Topic but worth sharing.

    ARMED, in uniform and in his police patrol car, acting sergeant Marc Osborn could be expected to be focused on his job.
    But a NSW (New South Wales – Australia) Police internal affairs investigation has discovered that he was romancing 33 women at the same time, seeing four of them on any one day as far apart as Sydney and Newcastle, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

    The married father-of-two had sex with at least one woman in a marked police car and spent up to four hours a shift with her – sometimes while one of his police partners was asleep in the patrol car on the street outside her house, the force’s Professional Standards Command has been told.

    “He’s one of the laziest ones,” Osborn, 42, told the lover, as he described his sleeping fellow officer.

    NSW Police are now facing a claim for damages from at least one of his lovers and possibly more on the grounds that Osborn’s fellow officers allegedly did not intervene quickly enough to protect his vulnerable victims when he showed them photographs and films he had secretly taken of himself having sex with some of the women.
    The investigation that uncovered the scale of his on-duty sex life can be revealed as Osborn is due to face Downing Centre Local Court today.

    Magistrate Janet Wahlquist will deliver her verdict on whether he is guilty of three counts of filming a person engaged in a private act for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification.

    He had admitted secretly filming the three women, who he met through online dating sites, while having sex with them and openly showed his police workmates, boasting and guffawing.

    But he has pleaded not guilty to doing it for sexual gratification. He said it was just “boys being boys” and he wanted to prove his masculinity to the younger officers with whom he worked at Gladesville.

    The woman with whom he had sex in a fully-marked Nissan patrol police vehicle – known as Ms BB – was not one of those involved in the court case.

    She had been seeing Osborn for over a year, usually when he was on duty, and had no idea that he had been secretly filming her until she was visited by police after Osborn’s arrest and she was shown a 20-minute session of them having rough sex.

    “Devastated, I was devastated,” Ms BB, 31, a single mother-of-two, told The Daily Telegraph.

    “I felt so betrayed.”

    They met while he was an acting sergeant at Chatswood and he answered a radio call about “two girls fighting in a spa” on New Year’s Eve 2009. One of them was Ms BB and she was so drunk, he drove home. Then he allegedly plied her with more vodka, dropped his gun and his pants and said: “How about a head job.”

    He would leave the police radio on while they had sex but she said she can only recall one time when he broke off to answer a radio message.

    Ms BB yesterday filed a summons in the District Court seeking details including the names of all of the officers who accompanied him on duty between December 31 2010 – when he met Ms BB – and September 9, 2012 when they last saw each other.

    He was arrested in November.

    “Why shouldn’t the police have a duty of care to these vulnerable women?” her solicitor Greg Walsh said.

    “Why should the fellow officers not have a duty to have acted properly and said, hey Osborn, this is a disgrace and report him to internal affairs?”

    It is understood that when Osborn’s commanding officer was told about his sex videos, a probationary constable came forward to report him.

    Some of his fellow officers have given statements to the magistrates court about watching some of his videos and how he referred to the women as “events” and the number of times with each woman as “incidents”.

    Police Professional Standards, who seized his mobile phone, has discovered that at night he would write a text message telling them how he was missing them – and send the same message to all of his women.

    Osborn has been suspended without pay.

    “This is an anomaly in policing culture and one which is not tolerated by the NSW Police Force,” a police spokesman said yesterday.

    “It is important to note this issue was self-identified by the command, as many other complaints are, and an internal investigation initiated immediately.”

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  60. type in google “south africa survey most attractive race” guess what the result was in the all black nation. The whites came first then mixed came second(assuming theri half white)

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  61. Biff
    Here is a word for you to learn: Anime.
    In Japan, it is not considered to be porn. Because they are just cartoons, right?
    I mean, how can a cartoon giant squid actually violate the tender, living parts of a warm-blooded 12 year girl with his cartoon tenacles???
    OTOH, the girl in the scene is also a cartoon character. So her naughty bits are vulnerable… to anything, if you bring a sufficiently crazed imagination.

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  62. white beauty isnt idealized in the west cause itll make the other women feel bad. It takes promotion to make them look good. But by nature the nordics and slavics win. Salma Hayek’s half mexican also includes her european spanish background, shes overwelmingly caucasian.
    and yes white female slaves were not only worth more than the darker ones but also treated better(ottoman empire)
    yes looking at porn stats if I can find the article white women are the standard.

    And when men type to specify the races come out as,..indian,russian,italian,french,german,japanese,black and arab.
    Half of the specified were european(surprised no swedes) and the other 2 are european like (the hot indian and arab looked white or latin or was played by one)

    many ethnic guys that say they perfer their own women are lying to not get crap from their own women. Safer to say you love Brunettes over blondes just so you still can get laid.
    and when comes to marrying their own theyll get the most european looking as possible.(subtly way of saying I LOVE WHITE GIRLS)

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    • I remember reading an interview with Eddie Murphy many years ago in which he stated that while he has dated white women (read: fucked) he would never marry one. When he did get married, this “black” woman was at least 90% white. She even had freckles! And not the the dark black ones that some mixed race black women have that look like they got jabbed in the face with a sharpie.

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    • It makes sense to marry, and have children, with your own women, for two reasons: your kids will be what you are, and your own women know what to expect in being married, living and raising children with you.

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  63. as white women become rarer and rarer, we should see a rise of popularity in their beauty again in the west like rest of the world.

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  64. From fairest/lightest skin tone to medium to the darkest, there is a continuum of high class/SES, civilization and culture dancing at the lightest, surviving in the middle and destroyed/dead at the darkest.

    European/White –> Asian and Hispanic –> Brown –> Black
    Fair/Light –> Dark light to Medium –> Dark medium –> Dark

    Both European sexes are attractive. Both Middle Eastern sexes are attractive. Both Hispanic/Latin sexes are attractive (whether they be Mediterranean, or Central-South American, who are mostly mixed with white, save for a couple of low castes who are pure Amerindian/black).

    In the Asian department, women are seen as more desirable than men. In the Brown department (e.g. East African brown skin, mulatta brown skin, or brown Indian skin), men are seen as more desirable than the women. In the Black department, men are seen as more desirable than the women.

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    • Amerindian Mongoloid Latin America = Mexico, Peru ,Guatemala, Ecuador, Bolivia , Paraguay.
      European Caucasian Latin America = Brazil , Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela, Chile , Uruguay.

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    • middle eastern men have fared better then their women sine the women have to compete with the on average fairer latina, asian and white. besides they have an obeisty problem worse then usa since they perfer big girls. plus they are hairer and have less curves.

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  65. Rooshv: “People who believe in HBD are neo nazis”

    This guy is an idiot. Constantly making this straw man. What a hypocrite.

    http://www.rooshv.com/the-manosphere-is-lost

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    • Says the guy that has had “EE Fever” for the last several years, desperately chasing blue and green eyed blondes west of Russia, right…

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      • Indeed….

        Though, the gist of the manosphere devolving is true to an extent and he address legitimate concerns, his throwaway line you linked to is just silly.

        I’m not sure what Roosh expects from a rational, mostly white male realist perspective. Think about it, he has spent his whole career trying to make men better in regards to women. The only way to do this is by making men see ALL reality, not pretty lies.

        He’s upset that the wall was broken down and now his readers are rightfully questioning everything fake that has been presented to us by our world.

        This is Why CH is by far the more rational of the two.

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    • His bigger beef seems to be with the female invasion and their beta hangers-on, plus older divorced bitterbetas.

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      • The “manosphere” has devolved, at least as far as commenter quality goes. Although messages may overlap, CH doesn’t formally align with any particular movement, so take the following opinion for what it is: impressionistic and perhaps unfairly sweeping in judgment. Regardless of the causes of the devolution, or various writers’ mistaken or otherwise attributions to the causes that stoke their sense of intruding ennui, there does appear to be recently an influx of parroters, bitter enders, and just plain weirdoes. This is inevitable in any open speech sphere that attempts to grapple with suppressed truths about human nature and cultural dynamics, because the turning over of rocks to expose lies tends to attract in disproportionate number the sorts of people for whom the lies most badly harmed. These kinds of people are bitter by their experiences, and it shows in their comments. This isn’t to say they’re wrong to complain; only that as a matter of style (or game) their “unsocialized” complaints are fodder for the lords of lies to use as propaganda in their war to silence opposition.

        CH will continue telling ugly truths as it sees fit, and continue advising men how to better themselves, and how to better the world in which they must live. Or, barring that, how to take from a decaying world that which will make their lives feel more worthwhile. And, of course, there will be the shiv twists of losers and liars alike that so entertain CH proprietors, and satisfy their carnal idlust.

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      • on August 14, 2013 at 11:52 am FuriousFerret

        CH is fun. It’s by far the most entertaining website on the internet. The only other place that cracks me up is The Misc on bodybuilding.com.

        All the freaks, weirdos and odd characters are the appeal. Normal people are boring and don’t provide any kind of novelty. I guess if you wanted to be the center of some kind of cultural movement, you would want good followers to stick to a gameplan but society is fucked anyway.

        CH kind of plays the role of the old medieval court jester. He provides scathing truths wrapped in softening humor to hold a mirror to the ugly truths that can’t be spoken out in the open without getting your head chopped off.

        Basically the John Wilmont of the Internet.

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      • I like a lot of the things on Return of Kings, but the clientele seems rather too bitter-MGTOW for my taste.

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      • on August 14, 2013 at 1:21 pm FuriousFerret

        “I like a lot of the things on Return of Kings, but the clientele seems rather too bitter-MGTOW for my taste.”

        My theory is that obesity epidemic is to blame for this too. Most of these types are shot in terms of their body. A guy’s worth isn’t based on looks alone but you have to obtain a certain threshold. You can’t be obese skinny fat rocking a stomach of a pregnant woman and hope to achieve any type of success plus their emotions and mind are blown from marriage and the divorce.

        I think a lot these guys see the mountain they have to climb and it’s just too much and they give up and simply want their environment to change. When you have to lose somewhere between 60 – 70 pounds at an age where it’s very difficult to do so, it makes for a bleak outlook. Couple this along with rewiring their brain at an advanced age. Too many Zulus rushing at them.

        I can’t really blame them though. They basically have been used up by an unjust system and no one gives a fuck. Bitterness is only as good as how far it will motivate you to achieve. If you just stew in it without progressing it just consumes your soul.

        If they lost the weight they won’t feel such despair. I also sympathize with them here in that they were the first lab rats for the low fat high carb diet which just might be the worst diet paradigm that the world has ever seen.

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      • The misc is hilarious. But I think there, most of the weird commenters kind of know they’re being weird and it’s a joke. Here, we find an astounding lack of self-awareness — which is arguably funnier.

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      • I like this blog because of that. I like this blog because it focuses on general concepts about why people act as they do rather than current events, which are passing matters. I also like this blog because it is not as academically dense as some of the other blogs I read, so it is more intuitive and natural to consider the points made by the author. I don’t feel like I have to do a hw assignment just to post a reasonable response, which makes this place fun.

        This blogosphere can be a pain point for a lot of us because it attracts marginalized and resentful people. A lot of people (Roosh included) detest my presence in the ‘manosphere’, which is sad for me as I don’t really have anywhere to go. As in, there is no internet community of femxs. If anyone finds a secular blog populated mainly by nice ladies that discusses “ugly truths” as they are called, please do let me know.

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      • …which is sad for me as I don’t really have anywhere to go.

        No worries, baby… as long as I’ve got a face, you’ll always have a place to sit.

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    • Rooshv has permanently banned me from rooshv.com and the rooshv forum for making a post criticising him for comparing people who accept HBD to neo nazis.

      See the ban message here:

      What butthurt hypocrisy.

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      • Heh, heh… note his use of the epithet WN “troll”… typical Cathedral shaming language.

        Like I said, most of (even) the so-called red-pillers are little more than keystones in the Cathedral’s arches.

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  66. look up aishwary rai central asian itll pop on indiamarks. they confirm shes central asain

    http://www.indiamarks.com/10-things-you-didnt-know-aishwarya-rai/

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  67. There is a maxim in the art world that states ” Art follows power, power does not follow art.” Women like artists know exactly where the power is and beauty will be defined by those in power. If you happen go outside look up, I believe you will notice that the wind is blowing from the west to the east.

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  68. look up aishwary rai central asian itll pop on indiamarks. they confirm shes central asain

    same with Jacinta Lal whom made controversy for winning Miss India New Zealand becuase shes half white

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  69. Another standard model of beauty: the Marquardt template, based on the Golden Ratio:
    http://www.beautyanalysis.com/

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  70. […] Are White Women The Gold Standard In Beauty? […]

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  71. If Korean women were having surgery to look white, they would get bigger nose and jaw implants. They seem to idealize white skin and big eyes, but that’s about it. I also remember reading somewhere that they make fun of how large white women are (even those who are around 130lbs), because they are smaller.

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    • So you’re telling me women try to bring down other women who men find attractive?? Shocking!!

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    • Smaller bone structure is more appealing on women. The opposite is true of men.

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    • I agree. No single ethnicity has a monopoly on pretty features. Asians have smaller bone frames, which are prized. South Asians have the largest eyes and larger lips than European white women. Middle Eastern women have thicker hair. White European women have the best noses. Hence, women who have a mix of ethnicities can potentially look great in a way that others can’t.

      Throughout this post, I am not seeing either contemporary or historical evidence that shows that white women are preferred. I see considerable evidence that women with certain caucasian facial features are preferred, but no real evidence that white women are preferred.

      The quote by the 20th century academic is the only thing offered as supposed historical evidence, and that evidence is specious considering that after the Moorish conquest, invading Muslims frequently made queens of all sorts of women they conquered- that scenario is in no way unique to Frankish women.

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      • on August 13, 2013 at 11:26 am Holden Caulfield

        To quote a famous playwright: “The lady doth protest too much methinks…”

        @feministx: quit worrying about the hotness of blond white women. your insecurities are your own issues and no amount of rhetoric will change men’s opinions of what is attractive.

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      • “… Throughout this post, I am not seeing either contemporary or historical evidence that shows that white women are preferred….”

        no you simply refuse to see it,

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  72. Two quotes (that I both identify with):

    “If it wasn’t for race mixing there’d be no video girls. Me and most of our friends like mutts a lot. Yeah, in the hood they call ’em ‘mutts'”. – Kanye “Black Is Beautiful” West

    &

    “Even though a typical light-skinned chick is better looking than a typical dark-skinned chick, a banging dark skinned chick is better looking than a banging light-skinned chick.”

    For the record, this guy is currently serving 10 years in prison for attempted murder. Just had to put that out there.

    For the sake of posterity, Adriana Lima and Selma Hayek are Moody’s AAA.

    Doutzen Kroes also had something going for her until she starting fucking with that horrible DJ. Why I avoid white girls more often than not, other than their lack of an appealing physique…when they go after wealthy black men, they do so as trashy attention whores (see Cheryl Cole) or gold diggers (see Nicole Simpson, actually, don’t see that). Not all of them are like the aforementioned, but they’re (the good-looking ones) still very status-conscious when with ethnic men. I can’t blame them. Those “Feed The Children” infomercials are deeply embedded in every American’s subconscious, and that memory comes out when they hear my last name. I’m sure if I had more money than I do via a middle-class upbringing, I could possibly date white girls. No fatties.

    Also, most of my black friends would agree when I say that if you know a girl only goes after black guys, you go the other way, her bias is a red flag (no, not a red-black-green flag, just a red one).

    My fav snow bunny would be Emma Watson. Prolly wouldn’t fuck her if I had better options, cuz we all know beggars can’t be choosers! She just seems like a nice girl to have as an associate.

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    • Adriana Lima is pretty hot.

      You wouldn’t fuck Emma Watson if you had better options?
      I mean, seems to be an obvious statement if you can only fuck one or the other. If not, however….
      …come on. Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaawm, aaaaaaaaaaawn.

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      • Like I said, she’s fucking awesome. I was born in the 90s and grew up in the suburbs,so I saw her in the Harry Potter films. Most black men, moreso than any other ethnic category, are visually aroused by a woman’s physique. Emma’s body is just nice, but the real curves belong to Mediterranean women, Hispanic women and black women who have other ethnic DNA in them (I swear, it’s probably because that other DNA evens out their body fat distribution while cutting it at the same time).

        I remembered I applied to Brown my senior year of high school. Declined…luckily! However, an acceptance would mean I’d get to meet her, she went to the school two years later. Left early though, she couldn’t stand the taunting. She’d answer a question in class, and someone would yell out “ten points for Gryffindor”!

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  73. Proof of the Disingenuous White Liberal;

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130811005342.htm

    Smart Enough to Know Better: Intelligence Is Not a Remedy for Racism

    “High-ability whites are less likely to report prejudiced attitudes and more likely to say they support racial integration in principle,” said Geoffrey Wodtke, a doctoral candidate in sociology. “But they are no more likely than lower-ability whites to support open housing laws and are less likely to support school busing and affirmative action programs.”

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  74. Hey CH,

    Do you think you could do this same post involving men? I am interested in wondering what women gold standard in beauty would be categorized in?

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    • Adam, let me save him time and only go super general (assume that women are honest and not condescending to the pc crowd)

      1)Euro-Latin/Med men then Other European males (Whites)

      2)Non-Euro Latins then some middle Eastern (Browns)

      3)Considering there are far more Asians in the world than blacks and many have a distinct aversion to that particular race—–
      NE Asian (Asians)

      4African-Latin, Afr-White males (Mulatto and mixtures)

      5) Other Asians (Indian, Thai, continental Chinese, Indo) (Dark Asians)

      6 Aborginal Africans and African proper (Blacks)

      Could be wrong, but that appears to be the right mix from some of the “womyn’s sites” I’ve read over the years.

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      • I’ve known plenty of white women, who traveled to southern European countries, and weren’t really into the men.

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      • I found out white girls were into “dark meat” in the 7th grade.

        Thats also when I discovered tan lines.

        Very sexy.

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      • 1,Southern Europeans 2,Middle Easterners 3,Northern Europeans 4,Blacks,5,Asians-believe me,its like that atleast in Europe,dont know about america though.

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    • 1) Me.
      2) Guys who look like me.
      3) Guys trying to look like me.
      4) Everyone else.
      5) King A.

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      • Moderately droll…

        But let’s be fair… when they found out King A’s dog resembled you, they shaved its ass and taught it to walk backwards.

        /jes’ lozozozollllooozlzl ya, bro.

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      • Time to update your material. Maybe this will help: http://bit.ly/18skDry

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      • An old arrow still pins the mark… to the satisfaction of all but the target.

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      • Talking about old material, I’ve noticed your interminable ego and lances-are-but-straws jabs at King remain somewhat played… sooooooooo played.

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      • I’m surprised you notice anything with your nose lodged up his butt.

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      • Again with the same ol’ material?

        Bros before hos… until someone sticks up for a bro who knocks your dick in the dirt every time you open your snarky mouth to him..

        Besides, you should talk… between you and yeahokcool, I don’t know whose nose is browner.

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    • euro latin? you mean like Brad Pitt and George Clooney? give me a break, white euro men are the ideal

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  75. The implications on immigration policy, driven largely by the female vote, are profound.

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    • You can say that again

      the problem is women tend to do what feels good while men tend to do what makes sense

      being nice to third world immigrants makes women feel nice and fuzzy inside but in the long term welcoming millions of third world immigrants will destroy our culture and civilization not to mention our economy

      most women see the immediate benefits, the short term benefit of feeling so nice about themselves, while most men tend to see the long term consequences

      just look at how women approach marriage; the most important thing to them is to have the biggest most fantastic wedding, they don’t care how much it costs

      while men would rather put those many thousands of dollars on important things such as a house or putting the money aside for future projects

      women want what makes them feel good in the short term ; a big expensive wedding, a dreamy wedding dress, an expensive diamond ring

      men think of the long term while women do what feels good in the short term

      When it comes to voting, those who can only think ” short term benefits” do not make the best choices

      A lot of women voted for Obama because it felt nice to do something that is the opposite of being racist, but very few women had any idea who he really is or what he stood for

      Liberal men are a bit like that too…sadly

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  76. This article is pretty hilarious:
    http://www.salon.com/2013/08/12/i_love_and_hate_dating_russian_men/

    “While all men like a challenge, the average American man tends to stop pursuit once you indicate that you are repulsed by his presence. Russians, on the other hand, aren’t going to let a little thing like your disinterest keep them from being your boyfriend. I’ve had male suitors who kept calling for years after I stopped picking up the phone. I’ve heard of guys crawling through windows and appearing naked in bedrooms. I had female friends who had no idea they were apparently someone’s girlfriend. The American teachers at my language school had a phrase to describe dating Russian men. It was “No Means Yes, and Yes Means Anal.”

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    • Most Eastern European,Middle eastern,Hispanic and South Asian men are like that, it’s like they’re taught to be alpha, whereas North American/Western European men tend to be beta.

      I would say that East Asian men are omegas

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      • I’ve spent time with Scandinavian men, in cold climates, and they are masculine in their own way. The cold climate toughens them up.

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      • I would say that East Asian men are omegas

        From personal observation, I agree 100%. I’ll never understand Chinese son preference and sex-selective abortion. If they wanted to ensure their family lines continue, they should be favoring daughters, if anything. At least the Japanese finally figured that out, and the Koreans finally gave up rampant son preference in the last ten years or so.

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  77. One thing I don’t get about CH he seems to prefer black women over asian women. I see alot more attractive asian women to black women. Fair skin being seen as a more attractive trait on women.

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  78. Is it just assumed that white guys are at the gold standard in male looks?

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    • I would say Southern European men are at the top followed by, Nordic men and then middle eastern men with rugged features, Latinos are 4th, Blacks/Indians 5th and East Asians/Amerindians/Polynesians/Aboriginals at the bottom.

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  79. When men become rich and/or famous, and therefore have great choice with women, which women do these men tend to choose?

    Which races of women do famous actors, famous musicians, pro athletes, and rich men (generally speaking) tend to choose. Herein lines the answer……ask Donald Trump, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordon, O.J., et. al

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  80. Most of the beauty salons in South Korea put photos of caucasian women in the window to showcase their trade.

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  81. The rite of circumcision is practised only by the Mahometans of the Euxine; and the curled hair and swarthy complexion of Africa no longer disfigure the most perfect of the human race. It is in the adjacent climates of Georgia, Mingrelia, and Circassia, that nature has placed, at least to our eyes, the model of beauty in the shape of the limbs, the colour of the skin, the symmetry of the features, and the expression of the countenance. (73) According to the destination of the two sexes, the men seemed formed for action, the women for love; and the perpetual supply of females from Mount Caucasus has purified the blood, and improved the breed, of the southern nations of Asia. The proper district of Mingrelia, a portion only of the ancient Colchos, has long sustained an exportation of twelve thousand slaves. The number of prisoners or criminals would be inadequate to the annual demand; but the common people are in a state of servitude to their lords; the exercise of fraud or rapine is unpunished in a lawless community; and the market is continually replenished by the abuse of civil and paternal authority. Such a trade, (74) which reduces the human species to the level of cattle, may tend to encourage marriage and population, since the multitude of children enriches their sordid and inhuman parent. But this source of impure wealth must inevitably poison the national manners, obliterate the sense of honour and virtue, and almost extinguish the instincts of nature: the Christians of Georgia and Mingrelia are the most dissolute of mankind

    This is Edwards Gibbons writing in the XVIIIth century about the Mediterranean in the VIth century.

    Sorry people, but non-whites have recognyzed white women as the most beautiful (we may say the only really beautiful women) since they first came into contact

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  82. on August 13, 2013 at 6:58 am Inane Rambler

    I’m sure Razib, who is interested in all things white has a post answering this question.

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  83. White women are by no means “The Gold Standard” of beauty. Keep in mind that I myself am White. My father is German and Irish, and my mother is Russian and Italian. And if I am to be honest with myself, I would have to say that light/medium brown skin is the sexiest complexion a female can have. For some reason, brown skin seems to be smoother as well. I am not into fetishes. Nor do I consider my attraction for darker skinned females a fetish either. But brown skin just seems to be more sexual appealing. The same with dark hair and eyes. There is something about a pair of deep black eyes peering into your own during intimacy. Blue eyes on a women seem cold and distant to me.

    I do not understand why there are those guys out there that find it inconceivable that some White men may prefer brown skinned females over that of White women. Have any of you guys who are uttering disparaging remarks about these brown skinned ladies ever even been intimate with one? I have slept with probably a few dozen different White women through the years. They ranged from everything from Italian and Greek, to Irish and Scottish. There are some very beautiful White females out there. No doubt about it. I had a few meaningful relationships with a few of them.

    That being said, I have also been intimate and sexual with a large number of non-European females. They include various Latins, sub-continental Indians, Middle Easterners (My wife is actually a White Arab Christian of Lebanese heritage) and a few others. I had good relationships with many of these women. Some of them loved me. And they showed me nothing but love.

    The one group of females I find to be utterly unattractive, are far east Asian females. I know many White men out here in Australia that absolutely LOVE far east Asian females. I however have virtually ZERO attraction for them. Their features are by far the most unattractive of any other women from any other racial group. Many Asian women are very friendly, intelligent, and just all around cool ladies to talk to. But physically, I just can’t see it.

    In closing, I will say that any White man that closes himself off to any women that is not White is limiting his own options. There are so many different types of females out there. There are so many options that are open to a young White male who keeps himself in shape and has his shit together. To limit yourself to one group of females seems silly to me. Wonderful females come in all shades gentlemen.

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    • “The one group of females I find to be utterly unattractive, are far east Asian females.”

      This is interesting. Most of my boyfriends also say they have no interest in East Asian women at all. This may be common among men who like Indian girls. Not sure.

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      • They just haven’t seen Michelle Yeoh or Gong Li in their respective primes.

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      • For me, I just don’t really see any raw sexuality in Asian females. I have dated and slept with a half dozen or so over the years. However I never met one that really lit a fire inside me. In the bedroom, I found them to be very boring. All six of them. LOL!!! Again, I have no ill feelings for them. I am friends with plenty. I have a few close friends that have Asian wives. Generally speaking, they are intelligent, friendly, and good natured. But as for sex appeal…………………………..NONE!!!!

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      • Because Chinese women are usually fugs.

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    • Can’t believe you would think a Black woman is prettier than them.

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    • To limit yourself to one group of females seems silly to me. Wonderful females come in all shades gentlemen.

      This fool doesn’t realize that, unless enough men limit themselves to women of their own kind, all these alleged “glorious shades” will disappear into one light coffee-coloured variety.

      Avaunt, you bernakified butthext fairy.

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    • You, like feministx, can keep saying the same things over and over. Chant your hollow mantras 24x7x365. Objective reality will never change. Only the liberal mind thinks that repeating 2+2=5 over and over will make it Truth. To quote Chris Rock “Have you driven around this motherfucker lately?!” If you find ONE mixed race couple with a white male and a darker skinned women for every 10 that are white women w/ darker male, I will give you a cookie. And as has been pointed out a dozen times prior in this thread. YOUR personal preference, a statistical outlier, doth not reality make. Thanks for playing…

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      • Listen Jay, first off, you say that myself and feminista keep saying the same things over and over. Then you go on a silly little childish tirade about liberals like me thinking 2+2=5. LOL!!!! Listen kid, there is nothing liberal about me. I grew up in a hunting household. been a lifelong member of the NRA, and served four years in the Marines where I completed 2 overseas deployments to places where real liberals probably would not survive. LOL!!!! So see. you assume to have successfully profiled while in reality you don’t know shit about me.

        Then, you go on to tell me that one will see only one White male/non-White female couple for every TEN White female/non-White male couples. You say this as you seem to think it somehow vindicates the idea that the White female is desired by every other type of male. “The Gold Standard” if you will. In reality, if what you say is true, that for every White male that “dates out” there are TEN White females that “date out”. That says to me that where you live, the White male is a pariah in the dating game. A true bonafide loser in the mating game. It tells me that in D.C. the white male is the least desired of all the various ethnicity’s of males. You see, if you understood seduction as I do, you would know that it is the Female that holds the key to the gates of sex and mating. Not the male. So if your women are able date out at TEN TIMES the rate as that of the White male. Then you better pick up your game son and become more manly. More desired by other women. Otherwise I fear you will be forever relegated to jerking off to internet porn while hoping your mom does not walk in on you.

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  84. and whats the point of this article?Pretty much everyone is attracted to the opposite he/she is.Ofc there are overall rules that men are usually darker and women likes darker men while men usually like lighter women and inside a given population women lighter than the males but there are no “golden standards”.These kind of articles scream of betaness,you should stop embarassing yourself.Maybe in america where many races live together and everyone is mixed “race” is an important thing,but in Europe no one really gives a fuck about it nowdays,not even in Germany,yet we are called racists,ridiculous.

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    • No, not everyone is most attracted to the opposite of what he or she is.

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      • Actually most people are NOT attracted to opposite- alike people form closer bonds and have happier marriages.

        http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/01/opposites-dont-attract-and-thats-bad-news/

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      • Its about genetic diversity,why would you like to have children with someone who looks like he/she could be your relative,from the evolutionary viewpoint this is not-logical.We could fuck with our sisters then,it would be “pure” and you cant really get any closer to whats “alike” to you.

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      • And I bet you got to that link from the page that I linked.

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      • @chris Just because I agree with some of the articles here doesnt mean that I should be a racist too(I judge people by their culture,not their race) and its not the political correctness that I have problem with but the utter ignorance of these sites, its quite sad to see those european wannabes from america and nolifer sad fucks on this blog too,this says a lot about the people here.These biodiversity forums and “datas” are usually just a random hogwash working with usually very low numbers and trying to create a correlation where there is none.The one you say they got the data from “The National Longitudinal Survey of Youth 1997 (NLSY97) is a survey of young men and women born in the years 1980-84. The NLSY97 consists of a nationally representative sample of approximately 9,000 youths who were 12 to 16 years old as of December 31, 1996.” oh yeah,big numbers here… Also I dont quite understand why americans have this urge to prove that “white” women want “white” men,that blacks are genetically dumber and many many more?Is this a fear of your genes dying out?your women choosing other men instead of you?And people here call themselves “alphas”.whatever…

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      • Actually, I think I read that third/fourth cousins have the best reproductive success and I found this via HBDChick:

        http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0068395
        ““We concluded that individuals, if given the opportunity, seek to promote ‘positive assortment’ for Self’s phenotype, especially when the level of similarity approaches an optimal point that is similar to Self without causing a conscious acknowledgment of the similarity.””

        So it does seem that people do prefer partners that are similar, but not too similar.

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      • Something like 22% similar-looking, as I recall from a study I read recently.

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      • “So it does seem that people do prefer partners that are similar, but not too similar.”-Agree,I think it works in a given population,so in a group where everyone is kinda related if you are blonde you will choose the dark haired and vice versa.Except imo if you are too inbred,thats why even here the redheads and very albino looking individuals go for the black guys,they subconsciously want to refresh their gene pool,same with the arabs loving blonde women.Then again theres a cultural influence too,in europe tall dark and handsome,while in south america everyone goes crazy after blondes.

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      • @helmut
        “-Agree,I think it works in a given population,so in a group where everyone is kinda related if you are blonde you will choose the dark haired and vice versa.”
        Well, the point I was trying to make with the study was that people are more attracted to people who are similar to themselves, so blonds would find blond(or atleast blondish) hair more attractive. And the relatedness of the people in a population depends on the previous mating patterns(check out HBDChick for more info) but generally speaking NW-Euros and White Americans are very outbred and therefore among the least related.

        And statistically speaking natural redheads dont go for black guys that often, I think the percentage was something like 3%.

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      • Except imo if you are too inbred,thats why even here the redheads and very albino looking individuals go for the black guys,they subconsciously want to refresh their gene pool

        Wtf are you on about? Red hair is caused by mutations in just a few SNP’s, not inbreeding.

        And you’re assertion that redheads go for blacks at higher proportions is just plain wrong.

        see http://racehist.blogspot.com.au/2009/04/more-data-on-racial-mixing.html

        Its 3.9%.

        It’s like your mind incoherently puts together random soundbites and buzzwords in the hopes that something profound will result.

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      • ” so blonds would find blond(or atleast blondish) hair more attractive” Well,this doesnt seem to work in real life,maybe in historically racist places like America where certain races and nations have a bad reputation I dont know but what I noticed in my life it works the other way.
        Oh and @Chris maybe this would shock you but I do know that red hair is not caused by inbreeding, but sure atleast in Germany redheads go for the blacks or turks or whatever here,and opposites do attract each other quite often,by giving me a link from “racehist” a “really credible website” for sure,I dont even know if you are serious or not.And btw I’m blonde and I do like darker girls too.

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      • ‘http://racehist.blogspot.com.au/2009/04/more-data-on-racial-mixing.html’

        I’d like to see some sort of attempt at controlling for the IQ of the partners. Dumber, meaner, etc. white women may on average be with black partners because of compatibility — e.g. on average, blacks have a lower IQ, therefore they would be more compatible with someone of a similar IQ. And lower IQ seems to correlate with a lot of those outcomes. Just a curious thought.

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      • by giving me a link from “racehist” a “really credible website” for sure

        The link may be to a “racist” website (funny how you discount it because of it’s non-PC’ness when you are currently on a “sexist” or “misogynist” website yourself right now) but the actual data comes from the National Longitudinal Surveys (NLS) which is sponsored by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That authoritative enough for ya?

        And to the rest of you’re comment;

        data>anecdote.

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      • @Scray
        “Dumber, meaner, etc. white women may on average be with black partners because of compatibility — e.g. on average, blacks have a lower IQ, therefore they would be more compatible with someone of a similar IQ. And lower IQ seems to correlate with a lot of those outcomes. Just a curious thought.”
        I the race/hist link they mention the ASVAB and women who go for blacks had, on average, lower scores.

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      • I mean for the actual black men; it makes sense that the white women who go for the black men would have, on average, lower IQs because there is an IQ gap — therefore, compatibility etc. But if you controlled for IQ — as in, just took the population of blacks with the same IQ of an average white and above, I wonder what the results would be. If you’re trying to suss out the effect of skin color on attractiveness, mating, etc. then you have to eliminate the other variables.

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      • @Scray
        I havent found a study that only looked at blacks with IQs of 100 and above, but Kanazawa had a post on race and attractivness(he received heavy criticism because it showed that black women were less attractive and had to remove it, and later on said that some of the conclusions were wrong):

        http://thesciencebitdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/kanazawa-text.pdf

        that showed that net of IQ black men were considered more attractive. Doing so may not give a completely accurate answer, though.

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    • I think there’s definitely a novelty factor in attraction. I’m blonde and fair and “darker” men hit on me far more than men with my own coloring. Generally that’s the type of man I’m attracted to myself… and not just at certain times of the month. A Nordic blond man with blue eyes is just not as appealing to me because I’m not looking for male version of myself.

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      • Evidence you are, and have been, raised on TV. Your father failed you.

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      • Lol. Wrong and wrong.

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      • “Big black and handsome, I should hold your devil ass for ransom” — LOL

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      • And how is the happy couple doing?

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      • on August 14, 2013 at 11:58 am FuriousFerret

        “A Nordic blond man with blue eyes is just not as appealing to me because I’m not looking for male version of myself.”

        No, a Nordic blond man with blue eyes aren’t as appealing to you because you prefer classic signs of dominance which are better physically displayed as rugged, tall, dark with chiseled features like Colin Farrell, Tom Cruise, George Clooney, Antonio Banderas, Alec Baldwin, Clive Owen, etc.

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      • plus blondeand red ahir and light color eyes make men look like feminine pretty boys. Dark eyes and hair give a more masculine look

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      • But Farrell, Clooney, Baldwin and Cruise do not have chiseled features, and a few of them are short with no lips.

        Dark hair does not a “no dough face” make.

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      • “No, a Nordic blond man with blue eyes aren’t as appealing to you because you prefer dominance which are better physically displayed as rugged, tall, dark with chiseled features…”

        Not exactly. There are “Nordic blond” types with very dominant features– Dolph Lundgren, for example. I acknowledge that he is conventionally handsome and masculine, but I’m personally not drawn to blond/fair skinned men.

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      • Wha? No love for Steve McQueen, Alan Ladd, Robert Redford, Peter O’Toole, Michael Caine, Troy Donahue, Steven Boyd, Jeff Bridges, Jan-Michael Vincent, Daniel Craig, Matt Damon, Leonardo DiCaprio, and, eh… what’s-his-name-again… oh, yeah… Brad Pitt?

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  85. Paraphrasing Taranto, the title of this thread verges on a “Question that Nobody’s Asking.”

    ***

    The Salon piece by the Sarah Lawrence girl is hilarious. I want to love her long time. The comments, though, are comedy gold. The comments have everything except Hugo Schwyzer.

    For 1000 years Moscow was the marriage market for all of Russia. So, on top of the 3:1 female-male opportunity, Moscow and St. Petersburg make the female presence of the UES of New York seem like the Sioux City stockyards. Also, in regular clubs, they have … you’ve never seen anything like it. Nothing. Happily, also, because of the endemic alcohol abuse that is wiping out the male population (I believe male life expectancy is now about 55), your average stunning Russian girl does not get sloppy drunk before she dances with her blouse on the floor.

    But bring money. Russian girls do a wallet biopsy faster than any cohort in the world.

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  86. Yes.

    A White aspiring model can become quite successful outside of Europe (South America, Asia) much easier than she would in a white dominated market. A beautiful White woman in Asia, hell, even a cute thin tall-ish one, has the world handed to her on a platter. White Girls are paid 1000s of dollars just to sit and chat in English to CEOs, appear in commercials, have their image used for dating services/schools/companies, attend parties etc….

    Even in places that do not fall under the (BS) shadow of “white imperialism” like parts of China, Myanmar, Thailand- the ideal aesthetic is – large deep set eyes, “high” nose, oval face, and light skin, eyes, and hair- aka- pretty white girl. Not to mention the almost universal use of white women to sell beauty products- even silly things like bras or home TV shopping in other countries features white women.

    Also take into account that most other models/actors deemed beautiful that fall under the diversity category 100% of the time have white admixture, which serves to improve their aesthetic. We seem the be the only people that can churn out very beautiful people without the need of extracurricular help.

    That said, there are beautiful people of every race, and I’m sure different people prefer different things. White women are quickly losing their position of #1 beauties due to their insistence on becoming land whales once they reach 25+ though….

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  87. Of course, this result is not so surprpsing, giving the economic/cultural dominance of Europeans over the past few centuries. (Though history suggests that the result is more surprising than the naive think.)

    What is far more fasciating is the attractiveness advantage of black men. I think Chateau has mentioned it before. That shows that beauty phenomena are *much* deeper than mere social status of ethnic groups.

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  88. Brown women (e.g. East African model Liya Kebede, Canadian-Indian actress Melinda Shankar, fair mulatta American actress Meagan Tandy, dark mulatta American actress Nia Long) tend to be far the most attractive dark-skinned women. That’s the yellow-brown zone (e.g. mixtures from Central-South America, East Africans who are mostly mixed with Arab and India/Bangladesh).

    Black women are disturbing, nasty and ugly. Black men too, but US Americans seem to worship them. Eww.

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  89. CONTINUALLY impressed by how many comments CH gets. Thumbs up.

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  90. I think feministx MIGHT be onto something here. However, think both she and CH are arguing somewhat different points. CH, I believe is arguing I that if one were to look only at pure specimens from each race that the AVERAGE beauty metric would tend to favor pure white. I suspect that the statistics would bare out his argument. I also suspect feministx wouldn’t disagree with such an assertion.

    The general point feministx is trying to make, on the other hand, seems two pronged:

    1. The distribution of beauty for some races can have a low average but a fat tail at the higher levels of beauty.
    2. For certain racial combinations, the distribution of beauty MAY have a high average, fat tails tending toward greater beauty, or both.

    I think the second part would be the most interesting to study as our biological preference for genetic variety may support it.

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  91. While we’ve opened our borders far too wide for far too long, this discussion misses the point. Breathtaking, drop-dead gorgeous women can come in all shapes and flavors.

    My own taste runs to the lithe, athletic yogini/runner type with long hair and legs who can dress and speak well.

    Other guys prefer the archetypal amply-breasted Octoberfest girls with blonde hair and blue eyes. Good for them!

    Isn’t the difference in taste the fun of it?

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  92. The bottom line….you rarely see 10’s in real life. I live at the beach is SoCal….maybe you see one in a year. Many 7’s and 8’s, but no 10’s…only in magazines do you see 10’s, and I know what most of the posters do with those.

    [CH: Cut out the letters to make ransom notes?]

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  93. I’m conflicted about this post… on one hand it’s a direct shiv to feministx’s ego, on the other hand, she undoubtedly enjoys every second of exposure, probably prints these posts out and pleasures herself to sleep with them.

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  94. . The rite of circumcision is practised only by the Mahometans of the Euxine; and the curled hair and swarthy complexion of Africa no longer disfigure the most perfect of the human race. It is in the adjacent climates of Georgia, Mingrelia, and Circassia, that nature has placed, at least to our eyes, the model of beauty in the shape of the limbs, the colour of the skin, the symmetry of the features, and the expression of the countenance. (73) According to the destination of the two sexes, the men seemed formed for action, the women for love; and the perpetual supply of females from Mount Caucasus has purified the blood, and improved the breed, of the southern nations of Asia. The proper district of Mingrelia, a portion only of the ancient Colchos, has long sustained an exportation of twelve thousand slaves

    I will post this twice, since the first hasn’t appeared yet. This is Edward Gibbons writing in the XVIIIth century about the Mediterranean in the VIth century.

    It is not that white women are more beautiful; it is they are the only ones to be beautiful…

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  95. But bring money. Russian girls do a wallet biopsy faster than any cohort in the world

    Fortunately for Mother Russia, the vibrant anglosphere won’t be able to hold her high incomes nor her exchange rates for long, so the flow of Russian women towards english-speaking countries won’t last for long

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  96. Why does beauty exist? From an evolutionary psychology perspective it only has one function: fertility. Beauty is the brain’s intuitive judgement on the baby making qualities if the woman. Barring obvious brain errors (paraphilias like pedophilia or necrophilia) this is what it means for a woman to be beautiful. Blond hair, for example, is easier to see as a sign of health/fertility than darker hair.

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  97. Surely the fact that foreign women orientated dating sites tend to feature Oriental and eastern European women shows that these women are perceived as the most attractive. In any case, isn’t this emphasis on looks a bit one dimensional? Only a man totally lacking in manly attributes would prefer a very attractive but boring “10” to a “7” who was interesting and amusing.

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    • I like em white and stupid

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    • Only a man totally lacking in manly attributes would prefer a very attractive but boring “10″ to a “7″ who was interesting and amusing.

      Says the beta herb white knight cunt with the shaming language who has never even licked the boots of a 7 in his entire life. Just stop… Walk around with a 9 or 10 some day then report back…

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  98. on August 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm Northern Pike

    On a related beauty note, I wonder why women, esp semi-attractive ones (6s and 7s) are such inaccurate judges of the hotness of other women. I’d say 80% of the times I’ve had a female acquaintance talk about her friend who “is so pretty,” when I finally meet her, she’s definitely not—usually not a dog, but plain, at best. Are they unable to recognize beauty? Is it a conscious or unconscious competitive thing, as in: “Hmmm, if he believes that Myrtle is pretty, he’ll think I’M a 10”

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    • In a nutshell; yes.

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    • We subconsciously factor in traits like personality and style. Myrtle may be a little plain but is sweet and generous and she has a great sense of humor, which we believe makes her prettier. If Myrtle is fashionable with 300 pairs of shoes, she seems more attractive to us.

      It’s hard for us to understand that guys don’t care much about the other factors.

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    • Because women don’t have dicks and testosterone.

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  99. you know when I hear women become insecure about another womans race(the girl they typically trash the most) its usually the white woman or the asian an latin girls.
    I spaek to asian girls they feel these white women are like models and ironically they feeled threatened by them. Latinas are also sometimes in the picture. But its usually white and asian girls getting hate by the dakrer women.

    If a man can get an attractive white woman. Hell get an attractive ethnic woman that shares the white womans strong feautres.

    like an asian girl with big eyes.(small nose and face too)
    or light skin indian/middle east girl with the similar bone structre(slim feautres) and lack of body hair
    or in africa ethopian girls are considered the prettiest for their fine features lighter skin and softer hair.

    as long as the white girl looks femine and doesnt have that pink pigggy blotchy british isles complexion,defined eyebrows and full lips. The world is her oyster.

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    • I expect it’s because asian girls hoover up the downtrodden betas with a good earning potential, while their natural predator, the strong sassy big beautiful 35+ white woman, somehow gets left out.

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  100. I wonder what the gold standard in Male beauty is? Would it be the black man? Latin man? italian or arab man?
    only clue I got is tall ,dark and handsome to win the finest of the fairer sex

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    • niqqa you gay!

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      • cracka just scared of the truth.
        when women get jealous of a race its either the white Latin or Asian girl. Occasionally Indian and middle eastern. And black women get lil to none.
        this is the case now. Latin and black men dominate all over. Middle eastern guys do quite well in Europe(Lebanese and Persians very well in canda and Australia cuz they are smooth). Indian(surrey jacks), Pakistanis do fine in uk and Canada.
        white guys are neutral and Asians are last thought are picking it up. and island men dominate in downunder,

        the darker guys seem like they got the edge while the lighter on average girl got their edge.

        when women run to white guys its cuz of the gentlemen beta with money whom will wife her up after riding the cock carousel and still treat her nice without having to do domestic duties

        Dark guys(black middle eastern,latin,indian, island men) adn light women(latin white,asian) are king

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    • The gold standard is power.

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  101. Speaking of Univision and telenovellas, if anyone is curious as to how white the lead actors are, there is a new show on sister station Telemundo called Dama y Obrero. It’s about a recently engaged rich couple that run a construction company in LA. The man is an womanizer and the fiance falls in love with one of her swarthy workers.

    The fiance is played by Ana Layevska, a blonde Ukranian who grew up in Mexico since nine. The womanizer is Colombian actor Fabian Rios, who looks like an evil Russel Brand.

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    • Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela, Chile or Uruguay are mostly Caucasian (European ancestry) , however Mexico, Guatemala, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia or Paraguay are mostly Mongoloid (Amerindian ancestry ,so its understandable the Caucasian Colombian, but in the case of Mexico, yes, she is an inaccurate representation of Amerindian Mexico.

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  102. […] white women are the most beautiful. Related: The white slave trade. More. […]

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  103. […] First, I think there are beautiful women in all races, ethnicities and cultures. I have no problem with a white man preferring white women, I mean he is white. But, I would like to challenge some of the assertions made by this individual white man. […]

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  104. Well, for what it’s worth, I find latinos, whites and asians to be clear of the field.

    I favour whites myself, but that is just probably because I am white – and we are all born racist.

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  105. While I can’t blame those who enjoy white privilege for promoting the preservation of the privilege, it has to be pointed out that the concept of race is itself one of those pretty lies that this site aims to eradicate.

    The AAA has a nice succint statement on the fantasy of race.

    http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

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    • While I can’t blame those who enjoy the benefits of white privilege</strike) society for promoting the preservation of the privilege of living amongst whites, ‘though badmouthing their benefactors all the while, it has to be pointed out that the concept of race and general statistical behaviors therein is itself one of those pretty lies inconvenient truths that this site aims to eradicate awaken said whites, before their eradication… and with them, said Great Society.

      Fixed.

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      • Aw, hell… moderator, please delete the previous post and replace it with this one:

        While I can’t blame those who enjoy the benefits of white privilege</strike) society for promoting the preservation of the privilege of living amongst whites… although badmouthing their benefactors for providing said privilege… it has to be pointed out that the concept of race and general statistical behaviors therein is itself one of those pretty lies inconvenient truths that this site aims to eradicate awaken said whites, before their eradication… and with them, said Great Society.

        Fixed.

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      • Aw, hell yet again… moderator, please delete the two previous posts and replace it with this one:

        While I can’t blame those who enjoy the benefits of white privilege society for promoting the preservation of the privilege of living amongst whites… although badmouthing their benefactors for providing said privilege… it has to be pointed out that the concept of race and general statistical behaviors therein is itself one of those pretty lies inconvenient truths that this site aims to eradicate awaken said whites, before their eradication… and with them, said Great Society.

        Fixed.

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      • Hell… so much for “Fixed”… moderator, please replace the above post with the corrected one, once it’s out of moderation.

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    • on August 15, 2013 at 2:13 pm white men can't jump

      2 words: Usain Bolt. Is it racist to point out that no white man in history has come close to having his physical form or ability?

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  106. Unless you are religious, being slut isn’t something wrong (unless you have Aids).

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  107. Let me take a moment to wax nostalgic over the blonde Aesthetic Prop, which, although it continues up through today, certainly had its heyday (as practiced on TV) during the sixties:

    Elizabeth Montgomery
    Barbara Eden
    Barbara Bain
    Inger Stevens
    Melody Patterson
    Florence Henderson
    Beverly Owens
    Pat Priest
    Connie Stevens
    Julie Newmar
    Anne Francis
    Joey Heatherton
    Goldie Hawn
    Donna Douglas
    Gunnila Hutton
    Misty Rowe
    Jeannine Riley
    Marta Kristen
    Sigrid Valdis
    Connie Hines
    Tuesday Weld
    Barbara Bel Geddes

    Probably forgetting a few notables.

    Alas, at least two of the above later committed suicide, sensitive lot we are.

    And yeah, I know, one or two may have been part YKW… but hey, passing is passing. 😉

    A tip o’ the cap to the red-heads, who may or may not have been cloned:

    Tina Louise
    Jill St. John

    And the exception-which-proves-the-rule brunettes:

    Mary Tyler Moore
    Dawn Wells
    Barbara Feldon
    Marlo Thomas
    Lori Saunders
    Sally Field

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    • I have an overwhelming preference for deep brunettes, but as of 2013, for the first time in my life, I can say that a blond woman may be the hottest woman alive on the planet. I used to think Claudia Schiffer and January Jones were blond 10s. But then I saw Frida Gustavsson-

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      • She’s beautiful.

        I hate platinum blonde hair. I like honey blonde much better. She has it.

        But, she is prettier in the video than in the photo. In the photo she looks too brassy. Her real hair color is a much lighter blonde, and she colors it darker.

        She has many photos. In some, she looks absolutely scrumptious, and in others she looks Euro-trash. In this video though, she is a 10.

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      • Femmy, it’s a good thing you don’t have to pay a royalty for your use of the letter “I”.

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      • Frida is indeed beautiful, but the most beautiful woman alive is actually a brunette. Her name’s Emily Rudd.

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  108. Redheads with pale skin…Nicole Kidman, and the woman who bonked John Snow. Very 10.

    Vanessa Williams was a 10? For whom? Not me.

    Jessica Beil…just after Seventh hell and before marriage hell…10

    Selma hyak 10 years ago. 10.

    All skin colors are capable of producing 10s.

    The darker skins tend to keep their high ranking much longer than lighter skins, and non-American women stay higher longer as well.

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  109. “Which women do men from around the world prefer to gaze at? Which women do men prefer to bang? Marry? Etc. For that, we can look at porn stats to see if white women are disproportionately represented. ”

    Hold on there. White women are disproportionately over represented in porn because of our culture. Most cultures around the world do not consider porn a viable career track nor “porn star” as anything to aspire to. Even the sexually promiscuous amongst them are aghast at our willingness to “put it all out there” for the entire world to view.

    And believe me (a white woman myself) when I say we are not the women those men want to marry. Even when some of them do, their families oppose it. That’s because, correctly or incorrectly, we as a people are seen as promiscuous, lacking in culture, and lacking in family values.

    It bothered me to no end when these assumptions were made about me and my people, but when I look at my own culture’s media and what we export globally, I really couldn’t blame them for jumping to these conclusions.

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    • “And believe me (a white woman myself) when I say we are not the women those men want to marry. Even when some of them do, their families oppose it.”

      But, we’re the women they most want to rape, eh?
      Please, do yourself a favor and just shut up.
      .
      “That’s because, correctly or incorrectly, we as a people are seen as promiscuous, lacking in culture, and lacking in family values.”

      As if! As if they have any culture worthy of envy, or anything else that could be envied. They have no culture. They have garbage, and whatever civilization they have, they learned form us. Again, shut up already.
      .
      “It bothered me to no end when these assumptions were made about me and my people,’”

      It bothers you we pointed out the obvious, which is that white women are most beautiful and sought after women in the world? Are you kidding me? Or, are you knee deep into lefty lore of equality and shit like that?
      .
      “but when I look at my own culture’s media and what we export globally, I really couldn’t blame them for jumping to these conclusions.”

      Whatever we export globally, is infinitely better than what your heathen friends have. And no, they don’t jump to any conclusions. Instead, they are jealous of our successful civilization, which is why they try to emulate it while at the same time putting it down and laughing at the American or the “gringo,” as if they are better or smarter. Please, who takes them seriously? Only stupid liberal women like you.

      There is no doubt white women are the prettiest, and most men (no matter their background) think they are, and would kill, cheat, or steal to fuck or marry a white women.

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    • Which women do men from around the world prefer to gaze at? Which women do men prefer to bang? Marry? Etc. For that, we can look at porn stats to see if white women are disproportionately represented.
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      Ah… no

      all that tells you is that white men PAY for sex more; even when its just looking at pictures.

      Non-white women destroyed the porn monopoly white women used to enjoy.

      Now they are destroying the marriage market white women used to enjoy.

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      • As usual, you give too much credit to non-whites, world-class destroyers though they may be.

        The only people screwing the marriage market up for white women are white women.

        And your so-called “porn monopoly” was never “enjoyed” by white women… the main benefactors of that market, then and now, are the producers and distributors of it… eh, yeah… those guys… you-know-who.

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      • its about novalty. they need to get off on mre extreme porn or something new and shocking to get aroused. Since white women are standard the guys burnt themselves out and started on japanese porn cuz the old stuff doesnt arouse them

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    • BTW, in the link Matt K posted in this thread, white women were not disprortionately represented. If you read the link, the study says explicitly that no race is over or underrepresented in porn relative to their population size in the US. The stats in that study are from the US only. Hence, asians being only 5% of the porn viewed and uploaded.

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  110. “Peter Frost has a series of post looking into this very question, and the results are sure to stick another shiv into the black hearts of beauty relativists: White women (and whiter women) have historically been desired as concubines and sex slaves by non-white men”

    And the reverse is true. Read colonialist literature. The non-white woman was exotified and eroticised beyond belief. The Malabar maiden, her golden bangles and ankle bells tinkling as she daintily skipped and her long black braid biting her hips like a serpent as they swayed…. blah, blah, blah.

    There was of course the same treatment given to non-white men if you can dig up some colonialist literature written by women.

    Lust rose with the tide of the monsoons!

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    • “And the reverse is true. Read colonialist literature. The non-white woman was exotified and eroticised beyond belief. The Malabar maiden, her golden bangles and ankle bells tinkling as she daintily skipped and her long black braid biting her hips like a serpent as they swayed…. blah, blah, blah.”

      What an idiot, are you for real?

      The reverse is only true because white women historically were never made slaves. Whites in general were not enslaved. We controlled, we weren’t controlled. Therefore, our women were saved from slavery. Since white men only had browns to choose from as concubines and sex slaves, they extoled their property, as one praises his chattels. Show me an owner that doesn’t love his property?

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      • “What an idiot, are you for real?”

        Classy.

        ” The reverse is only true because white women historically were never made slaves. ”

        But, but, …Peter Frost, “White women (and whiter women) have historically been desired as concubines and sex slaves by non-white men”

        And I wasn’t talking about slaves in the first place….. at all.

        Again, keep it classy and do some reading of …….. literature, as opposed to blogs.

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  111. What percentage of a white womans value is based on the fact white men need them in order to make another white person?

    White males shouldn’t be allowed to respond to this thread because they are just “talking their book”

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    • Right you are… nice turn of phrase there too.

      But then again, on every other thread with an anti-white theme (especially the subtle ones), it’s just the coloured others and usual suspects talking their book.

      Turn about is fair play, inn’t it?

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    • you really think we only value white women because we need them to have white kids???

      That is like saying we only like Ferraris because we need a car to carry our grocery bags

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      • thats why I asked the question.

        There is a big difference between WANTING a white woman and NEEDING a white woman.

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  112. on August 15, 2013 at 10:40 am William Wallace

    Are white women the Gold Standard in beauty?
    Unquestionably!
    It’s patently obvious.
    Women all over the world pay collectively millions (100’s of millions? Billions?) of dollars for plastic surgery in order to look more White.
    Only Mariah Carey had surgery to look more “Black”.
    Who would you want to look more like; the builders of civilization or the destroyers?

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    • Who would you want to look more like; the builders of civilization or the destroyers?
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      Gimme a call when Nicole Kidman can do this:

      In the mean time, I’ll be wreckin the pussy:

      Tally Ho!

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      • I was going to say that woman is behaving like a primitive uncivilized savage but actually she is behaving like a retard, with the talking and singing on top of her retarded behavior.

        the moves she makes are no class, vulgar, primitive, savage, unrefined, ungracious, unfeminine and ugly

        what she does is not a turn on to me. it is a repellant.

        maybe in Africa this is considered attractive but I am not black; I find her whole behavior, dancing, shacking her ass, talking, signing etc repulsive.

        The only thing I will give her is that she has nice curves

        she would have to pay ME to have sex with her, and it would be a high price. and I would wear two condoms on top of each other, she behaves like a $10 whore.

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      • I was going to say that woman is behaving like a primitive uncivilized savage but actually she is behaving like a retard
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        would you rather your woman just lay in bed all pale and stiff like “The English Patient?”

        What country you from?

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      • well then you just disproved the post. the fact that Thwack finds the young woman (Carmelkitty) beautiful and sexually arousing, but you find her figure and movement to be a turn off shows that beauty is subjective and culturally influenced. Just like a black woman moving her booty wasn’t your gold standard, there are plenty of men for whom white women are not their gold standard. different cultures have their different standards of beauty. if you’ve never visited a culture that isn’t influenced by western ideals, you wouldn’t know that. Also, I am certain that she wouldn’t need to pay you to have sex, there are enough men who find her attractive that she could get plenty for free.

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      • I was going to say that woman is behaving like a primitive uncivilized savage” –Canadian Friend
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        Canadian Friend has obviously never fucked a girls brains out.

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      • Ah, thwack… just when I thought you were close to that “content of character” finish line you revert to MUH DIK!

        The runner stumbles.

        (((shakin’ mah haid)))

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  113. Well, paleness is associated with youth, high class, and greater estrogen output. In China men openly say they want a woman who’s bai-fu-mei (pale skinned-rich-beautiful).

    I’ll admit a very significant percentage of Asians prefer white women, though many are too proud to admit it.

    But in the end, most people choose to be with someone of their own race. Possible cultural factors at play, but I wouldn’t count out attraction altogether.

    When I was in my teens I used to think white girls were the best, fantasized about marrying a white women, and all the porn I looked at was white chicks. I’m in my 20s now, and I find myself looking at Asian girls 70% of the time. The only white girl I’ve dated was in high school, it’s been Asians since then. There is perhaps, an evolutionary advantage in sticking to your own.

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    • There is research to suggest that people prefer people somewhat genetically similar to themselves.

      The idea that white women are universally preferred both conflicts with that data (which is well substantiated) and with what is commonly observed.

      There are tons of magazines for black guys with black girls with big butts on the covers. Those magazines exist because someone buys them. Black guys like those girls. Really, they do. Yes, some black guys who get rich and famous marry white women. Would you like to notice that there are 5 times as many white woman as black women in the US? Hence, even with no difference in hotness between black and white women, there are 5 times as many hot white women as there are hot black women in the US. And then the media loves to pay attention to those couples because they love to celebrate a white girl with a black guy precisely because it offends the sensibilities of traditional white men. There are actually many many black pro athletes married to black women and even west african black women at that. Media doesn’t pay attention to them because that is not interesting. Look guys, I hate to tell you, but their heart of hears, black dudes are not pining for January Jones on the cover of butt in thong magazine. Sorry to cause narcissistic injury, but the world’s men really do not all secretly want nordic looking chicks.

      If you want to observe which women are the hottest, you should look at which women are best at attracting men who are not genetically close to them. I have observed the following-

      SE asian mail order brides and the prostitution industry in bankok that is intended to attract foreign men. The difference in income between the very well off asian countries and the poorest white countries is the same as the difference between prosperous western countries and SE asian countries, yet I don’t see droves of asian men coming to poor white countries to sleep with the women in those countries.

      And more difinitively- slavic women attract caucasian men who are not slavic. I don’t see russian billionaires bothering with nordic women instead of slavic women. Why would they? But you see western european men wanting slavic women. Not surprising. Western European men are better looking than WE women relative to world populations. EE women are the best looking white women on average and they look roughly similar to nordic men. Hence, they are often preferred over more genetically similar women to non slavic white men.

      Other than that, mixed women like Adriana Lima have the highest universal appeal because she can appeal to black, white, middle eastern, indian and latin guys. Kiera Knightly can’t do that.

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  114. My favorite are the white Brazilians or Argentinians. The white elite of Brazil is Portuguese and Italian. Portugal and southern Italy were both raped by the moors…hence white girls with curves. In contrast we have Russian skinny bombshells. We can thank Ghengis Khan for killing the men and giving those Russian girls that size 0 waist. May we all bed both many times before death.

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  115. I have seen 10s among Japanese, Chinese and Koreans.
    Even the women of Eastern Europe are not pure white, but have inherited Mongol,Tatar and Siberian native blood, and they tend to be more attractive than pure white Western Europeans.
    I have seen some very attractive, apparently pure bred Mexican Indian women in Mexico. I have even seen a Somali woman who I would classify as 10 and am sure that there are more such women from Ethiopia and elsewhere in
    Africa.
    Speaking of 10s, how many even among the famous pick up artists can claim to have had much luck with them, let alone those commenting at this site. Most pick up artists fish in the 6 to 8 range. So how many can afford this racial snobbery?
    The post links to the evoandproud blog which waxes lyrical about the beauty of white women. But on the same blog is a picture of the author’s own amour who is hardly a 10.
    Harpooning about the beauty of white women is not going to get you any women, white or otherwise, with the possible exception of FeministX who I’m sure is no 10, for if she was, she wouldn’t be hanging around this blog looking for attention.

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  116. women on facebook(celebs too) use photoshop to look better and one of the first things they do is make themselves look lighter to hide their flawss and look more femine…all races do this

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  117. I wonder whether there is a blog written and read mostly by white women which argues that white men are the gold standard of male beauty, with some Indian male groupie say, joining in? I think not. For all their stupidity, white women are too clever for that. They will never let on that they are attracted to someone that they actually want.

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  118. on September 21, 2013 at 10:27 am (Don't) Go East

    To the person who said East Africans are mixed – No, we are not mixed with arab/white/italian/indian, in fact, we are not mixed at all! Please stop trying to take credit for our looks which is 100% natural. Thanks and bye.

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  119. I think Miley Cyrus is white Women The Gold Standard In Beauty?

    http://www.abcinema.tv/miley-cyrus-strips-of/

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