Where Are The Male Friends To Save-A-Beta?

A thought occurred as the detritus of yet another beta male’s shipwrecked soul bobbed along the CH surf.

Where are the male friends of these abject betas to slap some sense into them?

A man needs male friends. He needs them a hell of a lot more than he needs female friends (and almost as much as he needs female lovers), because the potential to receive honest and learned guidance through the rough patches of life only exists with the former. A female friend can be great company, and even useful as a pivot to meet other women for much sex, but when crisis looms — romantic or otherwise — she won’t be the one to steer the hapless man away from terrible, avoidable mistakes of judgment.

Take JohnnyTampon. What a loser, right? But it didn’t have to be this way for him. Was there not one man, one male friend he could trust through the years, who would take him aside and verbally pimp slap the masochism out of him? Or were his male friends little sniveling manlets, Merchants of Mewl, all too eager to enable his self-sabotage? Was he simply friendless (despite his homemade video’s assertion to the contrary)?

The wages of SCALE. The wages of social and sexual atomization. The price we pay for radical individualism and postracial multicultural autonomy is big, sometimes small, but add it up and one day society is in hoc up to its eyeballs. JohnnyTampon’s dearth of Realtalking male buddies is one of those small prices that a fractured society pays, an insignificant detail to be sure in the grand scheme, but a personal ruination nearly as total as death. How many JohnnyTampons, broken men utterly denuded of dignity and manly valor, can America brush under the rug before the last connective fiber frays?





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  1. what kind of man would have Johnny Tampon as a friend? this guy did it to himself and likely thought he was smarter than you while he called you racist and sexist. he appears to completely lack honor. fuck this guy.

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    • hmmm good point. You wouldnt hang with a guy for very long if he had shit stains on his pants everytime you hung out with him. Jeezuz, raising another man’s kid while mommy is gettting pounded out in the other room by an alpha, who the fuck could ever do that. Cuck of the year. The commenters who posted her gofundme and facebooks nudes and hippie shit are right, this chick may be the literal personification of AF/BB strategy, what a loopy moonbat. JT is well and truly fucked

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    • I’m sure his friends, if he has any, are of like mind. Then there are those ‘men’ who say, and likely believe, that their wife is their best friend. There are things we discuss with our best friend that we never discuss with our women. And what happens when this ‘wife and best friend’ divorces their ass? Some males are just naturally fucked. Unsalvageable. Most men can be brought around, be it early in life or after a crushing breakup. Hope mod is a bit better today.

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    • I was going to send him a message through FB, let him know that he is an object of ridicule, encourage him to wake the hell up but He has it coming, screw him. He posted on his FB profile, “I hate rightwing conservatives”. I hope that skank is getting banged good and hard while tampon boy is in the next room weeping and gnashing his teeth.

      [CH: haha. fuck him. let him cry himself to sleep every night in his cuckhovel.]

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    • What kind of man would have Johnny Tampon as a friend?

      Apparently, the answer is nobody … He’s godforsaken.

      For the God of Biomechanics so loved the world that he gave us Johnny Tampon that whomsoever detest him shall not perish but perpetuate life.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 10:09 pm Captain Tautological

        The white knight in me feels sorry for a White Brother who has gone so far astray, but there comes a point when each of us has to own the choices which he has made.

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    • Prevention is better than rescuing. It is hard or, sadly, even impossible, to save a guy who falled in the beta hole. But with good guy friends and fathers it is harder to fall in that abyss.

      Currently climbing it. I have yet to get me some chicks, but now I have a few male friends and life is better because of it.

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    • The next step is to reestablish men’s clubs (which would have to be speakeasies) that gather in the flesh, not online. They could be organized online, though.

      There are plenty of them still around in rural areas — sports teams, old hunting houses, country clubs, Knights of Columbus, etc. — but they are not as amenable in the city and, like everything else, they are subject to all the same atomization forces of social media. The atavistic connection to these institutions have been severed in young men.

      Which is why the clubs have to be reinvented and made radically retrograde: no women, no iPhones, no sports screens, just brown liquor and smoke.

      These sub-governmental associations are known as “civil society.” Robert Putnam chronicled their decline in his seminal work “Bowling Alone,” while Charles Murray realtalked it in “Losing Ground” and “Coming Apart.” Burke called them “little platoons,” and Tocqueville called them the foundation for our culture of freedom.

      Matt

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  2. on October 23, 2015 at 1:38 pm Experienced Father

    CH,

    It is damned hard to have a local, as opposed to a internet, male friend with whom you can share interests with, period.

    It is doubly so when you are married with kids.

    Especially if you are talking about a _Red Pill_ aware male friend.

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    • true; married, with kids, lives in S. FL. my closest red pill friend lives in South F’ing Dakota!

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 3:20 pm The Spirit Within

      Seconded.

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      • Thirded. Been trying to get the mid-20 guys on the track of alpha thinking. One threw me under the bus when I complemented him in front of his boss and he let the woman on the team take control and thus earn the credit.

        The other, although she’s a virgin – as he tells me, says he’s in love with the girl he’s been dating for a few months. I nearly chocked on my drink when he said that.

        Apathy and stupidity are rampant. Rare is it to have someone be a straight talker to you about the thing relevant to your issue and be articulate enough to cut through the crap.

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      • Thirded. It’s like I’m the only guy around my age that lifts weights and doesn’t carry his wife’s purse.

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 3:29 pm The Spirit Within

      I lost a friend of 17 years because his betaness was verging on omeganess, and it was irritating me so much that I decided to try to show him the way. I showed him how to dress better. I asked him to talk to girls. I urged him to stand up for himself at work. It was like dragging a barrel of concrete. He didn’t want to change, even resented me for it, and we just dropped it.

      After that, he married a white woman who had a child by her on-again-off-again African boyfriend. No joke.

      I knew the African guy, and he was a financial planner, a friendly guy, but the red flags that his now-wife showed could be Exhibit A for everything Heartiste describes, week in, week out.

      tl;dr You can’t save everybody.

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    • Damned hard indeed…

      I’ve walked away from two allegedly solid friends in the past five years because their wives were Cunt Factor 9, and for all their braggadocio about not putting up with “her shit”, they folded faster than Superman on laundry day when push came to shove.

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      • that’s by design. most wives (at least in the u.s.) passive aggressively break their husbands friendships with other men who are deemed a threat. that means if you’re not a completely whipped beta cuck chained up to an american cunt, your friend’s wife probably sees you as a threat.

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    • One of the saddest facts of modern life is how hard it is to find comrades in real life. They’re either whipped, stupid, or too cagey for actual friendship. This too is probably a symptom of the misandry bubble. The more mating anxiety among males, the less friendly they are to each other.

      [CH: i wonder if changing sex ratio affects male camaraderie? i bet it does. peter frost to the courtesy phone…
      ps thing is, i’m not so sure that the intuitive hypothesis is the right one. that is, more men fighting over fewer women would be less friendly to each other. it could go the other way: a lot of available sexy young women could cause a ratcheting up of men’s competitive instincts and their harem-building impulse, resulting in less male-to-male comity.]

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 9:50 pm Captain Tautological

        > “sex ratio” ——— There’s a reason that Our Ancestors chose k-selection and {1-man}/{1-woman}, rather than r-selection and polygamy…

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      • i’m not so sure that the intuitive hypothesis is the right one. that is, more men fighting over fewer women would be less friendly to each other. it could go the other way: a lot of available sexy young women could cause a ratcheting up of men’s competitive instincts and their harem-building impulse, resulting in less male-to-male comity.

        You have a contradiction in your thinking. By reducing male social interaction to the sexual (like gays do), at times you will imagine a war of all against all. But you also acknowledge that men cooperate to get women (e.g., wingmen) and bond over the pursuit. Bros before hos is more than just a rhyming slogan.

        The contradiction lies in your assumption that men should cooperate politically, whereas they are irreducibly competitive in the only arena that (you religiously believe) matters, the sexual. You might square this circle by coming to grips with how much you exaggerate the importance of infertile penis friction, but that’s how you made your name, and to scrutinize the weaknesses of an obsolescing philosophy seems like betrayal.

        You keep pushing “game” posts even though all that needed to be said has been said (most of it by you), and its heyday was at least 5-10 years ago. They are easily the weakest element of your output now. Anybody who cares will hit the archives or read your book — which you ought to finish up before its relevance passes completely.

        You are coming up on the tenth anniversary of this blog, right? It’s a good time to take the next step.

        Matt

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  3. Its weird, when you go out with your boys to meet chicks they also ask about social connections (how long have you known each other?) When we answer, “since we were 12” (which is now 20 years ago) or “15 years” (since high school), the chicks are usually very surprised. A LOT of bros go out gaming with co-workers and new male friends, i guess because they either let their male friendships die or never made a closeknit group of friends. Girls say, “most guys say ‘a year or a month”, wow you guys are really good friends” Plus girls almost always destroy their best friend circles through passive-aggressive bs and fucking each others boyfriends, so when you have lifelong bros it makes them very excited since social status is king to women.

    …My bros are what got me the darkness (plus you digital fuckers *kisses*). I had 20 guys at my bachelor party, all of them real long term friends to this day. Brotherhood is the only real thing to me in this world. DO NOT fuck your bros over. DO NOT FUCK THEIR EXES. Unless you and your buddies have been uber-alpha since middle school and sincerely do not care about sharing hoes, it will hurt your friendship. Same with amoging your bros to get the girl.

    May Johnny Tampon be a cautionary tale to all

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    • Good comment. I have a handful of friends with whom I go back to the early 80s, early teenage years. One of them lives in my neighborhood. He and I and sometimes a few others get together at craft brew pubs every other week.

      There are few things as nourishing to the soul and energizing to the mind as an evening of good beers in a place with good music, cracking jokes or talking seriously (or both at once) with a highly intelligent old friend.

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    • I don’t even consider new acquaintances friends only goys from grade school/ college

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    • Obviously you did not grow up in a multicultural area. Take your smugness and shove it.

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      • You tell ’em, Smuggles!

        Actually though it’s fine. Elaborate on the difficulties placed on friendship within a multi-cult world. Very real problems there.

        That is another HUGE theme. The difficulties – or as PA likes to call it, the impossibility – of friendship between men of different races when those races are in competition for living space.

        It is interesting how the impossibility of that friendship does not emerge so much during youth and young adulthood, but that with age it does.

        During youth and young adulthood, there is a common experience in the newness of life, and in the “season of the rising sap”. But with age it is apparent that things are limited, resources and life too, and what one person gets is at the expense of another, and so too with groups of people. In the recent past energy and resources were not so evidently finite! so that reality was on the back burner, but now we see where it is going.

        To war we go
        we bang the drum
        to war we go
        to war we go

        The drum has come
        The drum of war
        to war we go
        to war we go

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 8:05 pm Captain Tautological

        I had a lot of Eskimo friends as a kid, but sometime around the late teens to the early 20s, they started to change. Even in grad school, there was a marked deterioration in Eskimo friendliness from the first year through to the last year. And I was completely unaware of the Eskimo Question back then. It was just another subset of a lengthy unbroken string of data points across the course of my entire life. An unbroken string like Joe DiMaggio hitting in 56 consecutive games. Precisely mirrored by the current sum total of zero contradictory data points.

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      • Captain, we’re X’ers, about the same age. I clearly remember messages in my teens back in the 80s about how the young generation (us) is open-minded and not racist like the old, dying racists who are passing from the scene in any case.

        Yeah, while I was never a lib, I didn’t think that “racism” was right. Those old racists are yesterday, we are today, and we are, well better than them.

        Thirty years later, here we are, RealTalking adults.

        It’s the same old story. Youth is open to experience, and more importantly, open to following their apparent social leaders. But at onset of maturity, men become territorial. And then, everything changes.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 9:57 pm Captain Tautological

        PA, there comes a point where you either wake up and deal with the reality of The Patterns as they actually exist – or what? Your Eskimo MD prescribes you an SSRI to silence the little voice in the back of your head which is screaming: “STOP IGNORING THE PATTERNS, YOU F*CKING MORON”?

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      • Push that chain, son, push it. See how that works, You can lead that hoss to water….

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    • DO NOT fuck your bros over. DO NOT FUCK THEIR EXES.

      This is one of the reasons long-term friendships hardly exist in our age. The “Crimson Art” teaching that fucking women is the highest good leads to otherwise solid characters drunkenly destroying family and friendships with a single mistake.

      Look at the excitable former betas around here, for instance, who think they have become men by reading The Mystery Manual. It would be difficult to have a beer with these chodes, much less establish a lifelong brotherhood with them.

      “Do not fuck their exes” is a yugely unappreciated angle to a solid friendship. Only a vagocentric PUA putz would think that banging his brother’s ex was no big deal. But those are the kind of “men” we are standing up right now, the ones who think they can live a life all about the notches, and who criticize anyone contrary as being dorky like their former selves.

      The problem with the rising betas and artificially instructed PU-boys is that they keep grinding on in second gear, unaware of third, fourth, and fifth gears still to come and resentful to those of us who speak of this alien world above them.

      Matt

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  4. on October 23, 2015 at 1:40 pm mendozatorres

    Some of the fellas I would hang out with would never offer the tough advice that sometimes one needs to hear; especially guys. At times I would be real with them and they would think me rude or throw it in my face if I was single and make a snide, “you don’t get it” remark, when anyone with a brain could get it.

    There’s a HUGE difference between telling someone something they might not want to hear, but that will aid them versus just berating someone for their shortcomings.

    Live to inspire!

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 1:57 pm Captain Obvious

      MT, there must be an art to easing a guy into the Dark Enlightenment. You don’t want to rush too quickly straight into the horror of Hypergamy and {n=1, n=2, n=INFINITY}. And if he’s obviously Beta Bux, then you can’t just break his soul immediately and inform him that his girlfriend/wife is probably already seeing Alpha Phux on the side. I’d guess that you need to start with the simple shiznat: 1) Stop sweating the little stuff. 2) Cultivate ZFG [even if it doesn’t come naturally – fake it til you make it]. 3) Never back down in a fight. 4) Rub her clit and hold back your wad so that she gets lots of 0rgasms before your final mutual simultaneous 0rgasm. 5) Combining 3) & 4), make certain that she has lots and lots of 0rgasms during makeup sex after the big fight. 6) If she breaks up with you [and especially if it’s because there’s another dude in the picture], then ABSOLUTE RADIO SILENCE FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOUR LIFE. You don’t even acknowledge her existence after that, and you wipe her image right out of your memory banks.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 2:04 pm Captain Obvious

        Those are all concrete steps which can be taken – but even something Theoretical, which was simple as, “Man, you’re being too frigging nice to her. Your pathological altruism is gonna start sickening and disgusting her and she’s gonna take a lover on the side,” would very-likely be a soul breaker to an at-risk Beta who wasn’t ready for the Red Pill. I don’t know whether you would even want to start with Introductory Theory like “sh!t-testing” – as in, “Dude, she’s just sh!t-testing you man. Stop failing all her sh!t-tests. Your failure disgusts her.” It just seems like suddenly jumping that deeply into Theory could break his soul.

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  5. “but when crisis looms — romantic or otherwise — she won’t be the one to steer the hapless man away from terrible, avoidable mistakes of judgment.”

    Male buddyship

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  6. Johnny Tampon’s case was extreme, but the gist of it isn’t unusual at all. There’s a fellow just down the street from me who lets a drug dealing methed out woman and her daughter live rent free, with no sex in the bargain (not that any man should want it from that woman). That’s not charity, that’s the pathological altruisms and beta malery, and its pretty common.

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 5:08 pm Frito Pendejo

      Yes, it was extreme… But, hell, I went to the guy’s FB page and he fights friggin’ forest fires. I was blown away. Here clearly has balls somewhere. I totally agree that he just needs a good group of male friends to prod him along.

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    • “Johnny Tampon’s case was extreme, but the gist of it isn’t unusual at all.”

      exactly. i know plenty of guys in relationships with women who treat them almost as bad as that.

      these are actual marriages or boyfriend/girlfriend situations. and maybe the women aren’t blatantly seeing other men. most of them probably aren’t cheating. but that doesn’t even matter. doesn’t make the situation any better really.

      they are still neglecting these guys. hardly any sex or physical affection. constant nagging and criticism. mocking them in public and cracking jokes about how much he wants to get lucky and how she isn’t putting out unless he does this or that for her. no gratitude for how much these guys are sacrificing by taking care of them and their children. it’s disgusting and sad but hundreds, probably thousands, of men live like that every day thinking they are doing the right thing by staying for the children. instead they should be in dynamic loving relationships that will provide a good example to future generations of what relationships should look like.

      these guys are really doing a disservice to themselves and to the children who witness it.

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      • Mac… Love, at least romantic love, is a purely male construct. You fail immediatly when you think any woman will reciprocate in this way.

        Women know only power, resources and their SMV at the moment.

        RP truth for the win…

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      • There’s a sub-forum on Reddit called Dead Bedrooms. It’s full of those kinds of men, with a smattering of women whose husbands inexplicably have lost interest in sex.

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  7. Isn’t it an accepted truism, here at the chateau, that the nambiest-pambiest SJW will lap-dog slink and skulk his way through the gauntlet of man/woman relations and socio-politics…

    But call him on it, and he snarls and bites like a Rottweiler.

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  8. I’ve been pondering some very similar questions myself today. But my version is a little more personal. I work for a huge corp. My coworkers initially were a bunch of pretty serious, socially awkward geeks who generally were not interested in friendship. Eventually I transitioned to a department of . . . well. . . maybe these new guys aren’t as bad as our heroes from that last nightmare post, but they are *major* bros. I mean, straight off the Obamacare ads.

    So I moved to a new town. My last town had a lot of bros and other unfriendly folks, I picked a more friendly town. But it’s still hard to find some decent friends. And I do not think it is just me, it seems like that’s the way our society has become. Chicks get Sex in the City, but guys either get Knocked Up or no friends at all.

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    • I’m not sure the word “bro” means what you think it means.

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    • My little brother has this problem, making new male friends. I luckily have always just have the alpha vibe where guys either try to qualify and make me think they are cool or treat me as equals because they can sense we both are confident successful men. Eye contact and hand shake is all it usually takes to know who is awake and who is in the matrix still.

      Best place to meet straight males with shared masculine interests:
      1. The gym when you need a spotter
      2. Sports bar
      3. Gun range
      4. Concerts/musical venues
      …if all else fails, co-workers

      Guys are easy, a lot of men just want to feel helpful and have some way to show off our mastery/skill.

      I few weeks ago i went to a buddies afterwork happy hour with his co-workers because I want to tax this hot latina in his office. She was there with a few more girls as well as a few male coworkers. The guys were threatened by me, thought i was there to hit on their female co-workers and they waited all week to get these chicks drunk and make their move. I neutralize them by introducing myself to them and then including them in conversation with the girls. I also played a few rounds of pool with one of the guys cuz none of his co-workers wanted to play with him. He was really good at pool, i suck. He was in heaven explaining the mechanics to me, discussing his passion for it. He decided to pay for all the rounds of pool, wanted to get me a beer and thought i was a “cool guy” lol. All i did was was be open and friendly (but not in a needy beta way). Remember, lots of guys think just like we do but are afraid to talk about this shit openly. So dont be afraid to say racist/sexist/offensive shit. I got a “needle scratch” moment when i made a well timed witty joke about blacks; after the half second uncomfortable pause, i said, “tell me im wrong” Everyone laughed once they realized it was ok to admit that reality is a thing 🙂

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 2:05 pm mendozatorres

        I got a “needle scratch” moment when i made a well timed witty joke about blacks

        Something similar happened to me at work when a male co-worker was commenting about the state of Lamar Odom. I told him, hey, that’s what happens when you marry a Karsdashian.

        He was shocked, saying too soon and I told him, no, right on time….ya prick.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 4:48 pm Mitch Cumstein

        This comment came off as extremely gay.

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      • when i made a well timed witty joke about blacks

        Yes it is best when your jokes are well timed and witty.

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      • Pro comment.

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  9. “but when crisis looms — romantic or otherwise — she won’t be the one to steer the hapless man away from terrible, avoidable mistakes of judgment.”

    Learned the hardway the book [the hazards of being male] talks about a buddyship.

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  10. People tend to resent good advice. I’ve tried to save a beta male friend from themselves before and they refuse to listen.

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    • Thay kind of obstinacy is solved by buddies ganging up on the fool and busting his balls until he got the point.

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      • The insidious foil here is that they can run to the girls they orbit and get validated for being “nice” and “doing things right”.

        They get their BetaRewards card punched a million times, but they are always just a few points short of being able to cash it in for pussy, or so they would see it.

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      • @PA I rarely give friends advice on the Red Pill or game. They usually never want to listen because “just ignore her” or “FTOW” sounds counter-intuitive. It was for me at the beginning until I started doing it and seeing results. But then again i’m a self-starter. Im open to new advice if I see there’s a system attached to it that I can follow or there’s some backing to it. The Mystery Method was my entry into game.

        I do a few different types of sports. Changing my technique in some of those sports was hard, my muscle memory doing things the old way made me “feel” that something was off.

        But after I practiced it enough and got some coaching on those activities, after a period of struggle, things started falling into place.

        It’s the same for me with game. I can tell very quickly from an IOI whether i’m going to get anywhere with a girl. But that took trial and error. Giving advice to a guy like Johnny T would be a waste of time. He’s too set in his ways and the crumbs of validation Ash gives him falls into his fantasy of “meeting the love of his life in a landromat”…sounds like the makings of a Springsteen song…working class guy single dad meets spunky single mom, out kids can hang out blah blah blah… I used to believe in that happily ever after fantasy too. No amount of convincing would change me until I wanted to change.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 10:20 pm Captain Tautological

        > “i’m a self-starter.” ——— It ties in with what Sentient is saying below here. You never want to go into business with a guy who is soft or squishy or needs any sort of hand-holding. You need self-starters, who are self-motivated, essentially tireless, and who won’t wet their [email protected] pants at the first sign of trouble. Dudes you can trust not to fold under the pressure. Dudes who won’t stab you in the back. Dudes who have not just a second wind but who can summon a third wind and even a fourth wind if necessary, and then grit their teeth and “gitter-done”.

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  11. Was there not one man, one male friend he could trust through the years, who would take him aside and verbally pimp slap the masochism out of him?

    Most men are idiots. I can’t ask any of my real life guy friends for advice about women because they’re all hopeless.

    My married friend who could go out an get laid any weekend married a girl who then got fat. He hates his wife. My other married friend married a girl I like but she’s not exactly a looker either. Another friend of mine got a gf (who he hasn’t proposed to yet but has an engagement ring), he gained 30lbs and she’s probably put on 15. (He used to slay pretty hot girls too, hell she was pretty hot. She’s also a ball busting Eskimo. That’s gonna end well) Another buddy of mine has had 1 gf in the last 10 years. She had herpes, was a 5 and he banged her anyways (idiot. Doesn’t think he got it) I’m trying to teach him the most basic of text game/ online dating game and he isn’t very receptive because he used to be a lot more successful with women than me (before I found this little corner of the internet.)

    So basically, if I want any advice on women, I throw it up in the comment section here hoping the proprietor or one of the intrepid commenters will respond.

    These are all pretty good guys or else I wouldn’t be friends with them

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  12. Yeah, I think one thing that’s often unsaid is that “lack of game” in a man is often just a subset of a general anti-social tendency.

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    • I think one thing that’s often unsaid is that “lack of game” in a man is often just a subset of a general anti-social tendency.

      Gregarious and extroverted people are going to have it easier in the field, in many ways.

      However, being un-social and introverted is not opposed to game. As an example consider the panty-wetting archetype of the outlaw loner. Very unsocial character, he, but not lacking in pussy.

      Equating game and sociability is too simple, and wrong.

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  13. probably the only way to help a guy like JT is give him bad advice like Archer “helping” Cyril: “pour your feelings out, bare your soul, women love that.”

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  14. on October 23, 2015 at 1:59 pm Experienced Father

    It is damned hard for a married guy with kids to have male friend outside the marriage.

    Especially red pill enabled guy friends.

    All the old male only clubs like the Elks, Chamber of Commerce, etc have been over run by SJW types.

    And religiously affiliated male space organizations like Knights of Columbus are blue pill to the max.

    Effectively the internet is the only place you can find people of like interests if you have not kept up guy friends since high school and college.

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    • Guys can really only be friends with peers… you need shared station and experiences for real give and take friendship to bloom, mutual respect to form. Not copycat experiences but similar – overcoming adversity for example or achieving some kind of success. Without this, “freindship” is either just a form of entertainment, a social convention, or a mentor/mentee or parasite/host relationship.

      It’s hard in real life to find this like mind, this site and others on the internet are aggregators of spirit in the best sense. such a shame so many treat this resource like a high school cafeteria, petty one-upsmanship, snark and anonymous amoging. what a waste. Think twice before you reflexively attack a fellow reader.

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  15. Another wage of atomization is small extended families. A bug topic of interest in parts of the manosphere is fatherhood. Teaching our sons, and sometimes complaining about Boomer dad’s who didn’t teach them anything.

    While proper fatherhood was has always involved teaching your son, very often dad’s were hands-off or too busy working. Much of the slack was picked up by grandfathers, uncles, cousins.

    Many of us today, due to distance or small families, don’t have such networks, hence the interest in very hands-on fatherhood.

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 5:27 pm The Other Anonymous

      Excellent comment.

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      • Yes, PA’s comment explains why I have such little patience for the daddyless orphans who gravitate here and talk shit they know nothing about. They are still struggling with lessons they should have learned in the fishing boat, or the hunting stand, at boot camp, or even the fraternity house. Game is only a fraction of the remedial teaching required. Meantime, God grant me the ability to pity.

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  16. I changed cities every 2 years growing up under a single mom going through phases and didn’t really have a solid circle of friends going into adulthood. I wasn’t very efficient at making friends in the first place and I eventually just stopped bothering. I can’t get into the army if I wanted to because I don’t have 5 references who have known me for 5 years or more; I still have to change cities for work every few years. I do in fact think this is a huge part of the reason I have utterly failed in life with women; just lack of masculine influence in my life.

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    • I do in fact think this is a huge part of the reason I have utterly failed in life with women; just lack of masculine influence in my life.

      Women are craving a masculine influence.

      It is the masculine force that is missing, from our “society”.

      Use the force, Daniel-son, bring back the balance (bring it back! bring it back! bring it back! bring it back! woe now woe now woe now woe woe now woe now woe now woe bring it bring it bring it bring back).

      I also am trying to do my part to restore the Force.

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      • I also am trying to do my part to restore the Force.

        How?

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      • Um,
        Thanks I guess.
        Teh Force, huh? Still, no offense but that’s a pretty good example about how random dudes on the internet aren’t as good as real friends.

        The friends I do have were always better with women than me, so trying to tell them about Game theory is pointless. Try to explain to your old buddy in an LTR how what I learned about female psychology from PUA’s to try to get better caused me to decide to stay MGTOW anyhow. Every time I read about what we have to to to keep hypergamy under control I think “good God, fck that.” Maybe if I was still young enough to get some decent teenage pussy but I’m in my 30’s now and I don’t see the point. I don’t know how to talk to my friends they just aren’t ready to hear and believe it.

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  17. on October 23, 2015 at 2:11 pm Wrong Side of History

    A future white nation can’t repeat the mistakes of the past. We need state capitalism free of YKW-manipulation.

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  18. on October 23, 2015 at 2:22 pm gunslingergregi

    the friends i made around the world were cool
    is odd to be atomized but yet if i was in indo id be fine
    its only here that i am going fucking crazy for real the total lack of any reason to laws other than someone stealing your shit legally
    there is a price to be paid for not living in same place

    but when me and my bro used to go out we went out with the full intent of dieing back when i was 19 or so and reallized it wasen’t worth going through the motions to get shit in return
    just didn’t get the job done

    its all about the frame like working with the system
    when really the frame is its not worth the time
    was it worth the life i have lived from 19 to 39 no
    easier to have succeeded but im still fucking human this shit sucks so fucking bad
    how many times i got to put myself at deaths door to succeed fuck

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 2:27 pm gunslingergregi

      both my friends that stayed in this town became crackheads so i mean i dont know
      the fuck ya say to that

      ”””””” broken men utterly denuded of dignity and manly valor, can America brush under the rug before the last connective fiber frays?”””””

      yea id say the dignity gone
      got the records got the homeless checked off

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 2:28 pm gunslingergregi

      seems like to be able to handle living in this shit ya kind of need to be fucking high all the time though to cope with the lack of shit making sense

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 3:33 pm gunslingergregi

        dam my chick got fired today just like the 4 people that got fired when she started some freaky shit going on up there
        plus 2nd place she aint been paid right yet
        and thats white bitches doing hiring and firing
        all white femal management on everything turnover 100 percent a month and robbin people jesus
        supernice to face though lol
        i think may be problem with getting paid a check after working a place 3 weeks just blatant corruption

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      • I am not the best Christian a lot of the time , But I am one of his flock nonetheless. I am going to pray hard for you, sir Jesus will not leave you desert you, EVER.

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    • Dude, you need to lay off the dope you are obviously doing and get you some help. And i’m as serious as a heart attack on that,sir.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:28 pm gunslingergregi

        nope no dope dont even drink clear mind
        yea focusin on negative there is a lot of it
        internet prob is bad for me to look at i will prob admit

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:29 pm gunslingergregi

        you try going 20 years doing everything you can to escape a place you dont like and not succeeding you be pissed off to

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:53 pm Captain Tautological

        GSGI, get yourself an account where dudes can contact you in real life. With the usual caveats: If you’re worried about the Mossad hunting you down and assasinating you [don’t laugh – SRSLY], then use a burner phone and a burner laptop [both purchased in cash] from a public wifi hotspot. Also, get yourself to a quality Evangelical church in the suburbs and start rubbing elbows with righteous dudes who can help you to network your way into something better. Heck, around here, if you have a lawnmower and a trailer and a reliable pickup to tow it, then within a year or two, you can be pulling in the better part of $100K just from mowing peoples’ lawns all day long and clearing fallen tree limbs with a chainsaw and planting burlap-bagged trees and whatnot.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:58 pm gunslingergregi

        i been going society approved counseling 4 years but yea last week my counselour been goin to for 2 years or so leaving nother company so that is a bitch then llicense crap they hitting me with dui crap for something i didn;t do
        but now have to go to class for that i didnt do i guess and now cant renew license
        then my bitch not here and got to drive 8 billion miles to see her
        just dont want to jump through any more hoops but i cant fucking not
        then us is gonna be like every other warzone i been in where ill live to see it all and i want to get the fuck out of here before i see it and im not sure i fucking will
        i guess a little angst
        i dont know what help i could get ive asked everyone to kill me noone has done so

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 7:04 pm gunslingergregi

        and obviously since im not dead i am actually scared as fuck of dieing so it is a giant clusterfuck so i have had to swallow the goddam fact im gonna die so many fucking times and not fucking died it is really a clusterfuck

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 7:18 pm gunslingergregi

        yea maybe cry for help ch knows how to push buttons
        the only thing i know is im stuck here
        its fucking wierd

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 8:26 pm Captain Tautological

        GSGI, “counselors” are 100% evil. Now a serious question: Has anyone ever written you a prescription for Lithium? Any Old School family practitioner or internist can screen you for it and agree to try you on it and then write the prescription and monitor you afterwards. But don’t go to a New Age kook. Find an Old School no-nonsense guy. Preferably with military experience. The dramatic ups and downs which you’re showing in your posts might very well be ameliorated with Lithium. PS: A truly Old School MD will send blood and urine for a toxicology screen, so as to rule out the possibility that you’re simply a drug addict.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 9:34 pm mendozatorres

        That’s GSGI’s style…flow

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 10:27 pm Captain Tautological

        > “That’s GSGI’s style…flow” ——— Agreed. But I’m worried about his tone of voice this time. He’s getting these wild mood swings lately. I don’t want him to get so depressed that he does something really stupid and irreversible [and final].

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      • on October 24, 2015 at 5:52 am gunslingergregi

        a football game got its ups and downs too
        and thats in a couple hours
        ive definetly had some fun but their is always some insidious shit in the background and foreground that sucks too
        ya cant help but look around and see ugliness but yea prob dont see as much beauty cause it prob has to hide or the ugly comes and gets it
        if i could kill myself id of been dead a while ago
        ill be around for while
        thnk for support

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      • on October 24, 2015 at 2:59 pm gunslingergregi

        yea mendos called it this aint the first time its always there ever since i saw the divorce industrial family incinerator work on my parents
        seen progressivly worse shit throughout my life the horrible shit in this world just keep going like the energizer bunny and shit

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    • If you are not on drugs, and are in that much distress, personally, psychologically, whatever.

      I don’t know. Try to think of your experience as somehow being worth it.

      My real world experiences are not yours, but i used to be miserable and suicidal and saw no future. And now life is not much better or any different but it seems the clear choice to see it through.

      I am still learning not to make it harder than it has to be. The concept of treating yourself with “loving kindness” is worth keeping.

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  19. If society is creating lots of manlets then of course we’ll have trouble finding male friends who are a positive, masculine influence. Most of the male friends I’ve had over the years were completely useless when it came to women. Until I discovered these blogs I was doing trial and error because my male friends never could or did help and I doubt I’m alone in saying that. I’ve seen groups of male friends that are great with women, I think the key is finding your way into those groups. If you weren’t lucky enough to find friends like these, or have a father or brother or cousin to show you the way, then you’d be screwed.

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  20. The true friend strategy doesn’t always work. When I was 18 and learned the hard truths about love and women, luckily I had an older alpha friend who set me straight and didn’t let me do any of the typical beta/emo bullshit. Literally, he would slap such ideas out of me (or at least I imagined he would, and focused on improving myself instead of going full beta).

    However, I recently made friends with a guy who did the opposite. Cool dude, well traveled, and older than me by 10 years. When he broke up with his girlfriend, he went full beta, and wrote to me everyday about how he was going to “win her back.” I told him to man up and sent him the heartiste posts I found about how to deal with a broken relationship.

    In spite of all this, he continued down the dark path of betadum. Last I heard, he was buying this bitch, who threw his ass out on the street in a foreign country after 3 years together, a computer and was sending her flowers. One day I wake up and see 30 messages from him about how depressed he is and how much he misses her. I never replied.

    Am I a bad friend?

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    • @AF No you’re not a bad friend. You can’t save a drowning man by jumping in with him. One thing I’ve worked very hard to overcome and it’s still a struggle is this idea of “helping” others. I think it stems from a co-dependence. You can inspire, you can suggest, you can coach, but to become invested in the outcome of another’s journey is unhealthy. I think many of us here who’ve swallowed the Red Pill did so from a position of pain, not self-discovery. That transition for us has been slow and painful.

      Even today I have to stop myself when I see some beta guy basking in the attention of some hot girl. I have to tell myself that what I have is far better and good for me than settling for whatever I’m given.

      But then again, isn’t going for what you want and overcoming the struggle to get that the true nature of alpha?

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  21. on October 23, 2015 at 2:52 pm Mitch Cumstein

    I’ve let a lot of female friends fall by the wayside over the years. The reasons are legion. The older you get, the less free time you have. Obligations arise for close friends and family, you’re meeting new coworkers all the time…why make time?

    I’ve had some friends throughout the years say, “Man, why’d you stop hanging out with those girls? They could’ve been your wingwomen!” It’s the only reason to keep lady friends around, but A LOT of them are opposed to helping a guy score. They aren’t concerned with pairing you up with anyone, and if someone does pair up with you, they get jealous about it and the territoriality comes out.

    In addition, they have nothing interesting to say and aren’t engaged in what you say, unless it’s tied to relationships. For anyone who still needs convincing: if your car broke down in the middle of the night and you needed a ride, would you call any of your female “friends”? Would they reject other plans to help you move into your new home on a Saturday afternoon? I rest my case.

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    • yes, “wingwoman” is a myth. girls are just too selfish to actively make that arrangement work. even when they “try” to help you, they push you towards their less than desirable friends. They’re never interested in helping you. Female friends are best used as unknowing pivots, not wingwomen in any true sense.

      unless you’re a super alpha with a girl recruiting other girls for threesomes, in that case te salud, don corleone.

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    • Word. I am on friendly terms with my male friends’ wives, but that is about it. Fact is, I am looking for people in my life who will make me a better man & person. Not many women can do that.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm Captain Tautological

        > “Not many women can do that.” ——— There are three kinds of women who make you better: 1) Your Mom for nagging you to death. 2) Your ex-girlfriend who left you and sent you searching for answers and caused you to wander your way into the Manosphere & the Dark Enlightenment. 3) The chick who pushes out your progeny and forces you to grow the f*ck up and ditch the Peter Pan Syndrome once and for all. 4) BONUS MENTION: EVERY CHICK IN THE DONALD’S LIFE WHO INSPIRED YOUR SORRY A$$ TO EMULATE HIS AWESOMENESS:

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  22. beta guys fall in love fast and hard. i watched it happen with a good friend of mine. they only thing talking will do it make you the enemy.

    i spoke to the same friend years later about how his marriage is and how he’s doing today, his response “Ah man, wife says no sex until i do the landscaping…”. So predictable. So unavoidable.

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  23. It is likely that JohnyTampon avoids any man who would threaten his sense of identity.

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  24. One of my close friends is hip to the game, but that didn’t stop him from falling in love and getting divorce raped by a woman who started openly cheating on him.

    I tried to give him advice. My advice was pretty damn good. And he knew it was good advice. He attested to the fact that when he did what I said, she acted better. So some of it helped. But ultimately, he was already too lovelorn to pull it off successfully. Even among a few great alpha acts, she could see through it and smell the stench of lovelorn beta a mile away.

    In the end I think all the good advice I gave him may have hurt more than it helped because without it, the relationship would have died on the vine that much faster.

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 6:07 pm Captain Tautological

      Almost all addicts have to hit rock bottom before they can hope to make the decision to go cold turkey once and for all. You either walk away from being the Nice Guy who Always Finished Last, and you never look back, or else your pathological altruism becomes suicidal and it destroys you.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:28 pm Captain Tautological

        I guess the big question is: Are you there for him when he hits rock bottom? You could try Morpheus’s approach with Neo: “Dude, you’ve been my best friend since forever, but if you aren’t prepared to change your ways after this disaster, then I can’t help you anymore. Don’t contact me again unless and until you are ready for me to teach you how deep the rabbit hole really goes.” BTW, neither the phrases “Red Pill” nor “Rabbit Hole” are on the IMDB quotes page for the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/quotes

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:30 pm Captain Tautological

        Whoops – my bad – they are there on the IMDB page. That was weird. “Ctrl-f” didn’t find them the first time. Huh.

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  25. Because cunt voodoo is wicked-strong sorcery.

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  26. What was the last good film about male friendship?

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 5:49 pm Captain Tautological

      I don’t give the Hollyweird Eskimos my money anymore, but I do watch AMC, and off the top of my head: The relationship between Walter White & Jesse Pinkman, which was even more dear to Walt than his relationship with his own [[email protected]] son. Let’s face it – Jesse was the true son which Walt never had. And recall what Walt did [or didn’t do] to Jesse’s evil crackhead ho of a girlfriend, when she was choking on her own vomit…

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 5:57 pm Captain Tautological

        Also, if you have seen the very final episode of the series, then keep in mind John 15:13 – http://bartleby.com/108/43/15.html#13

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 6:40 pm Captain Tautological

        I was going to nominate Billy Bob Thornton’s “All the Pretty Horses” – that is an awesome buddy movie, filled with all sorts of horrifying [and now urgently relevant] Dark Enlightenment Truths, but I just checked, and that movie is frigging 15 years old already. I think I first stumbled upon it maybe six or eight years ago, on HBO or Showtime.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 7:02 pm Captain Tautological

        Also, I’ve been boycotting The Walking Dead ever since what happened in the top of the hospital in downtown Atlanta, but my recollection is that Rick and Daryl were getting pretty tight [no h0m0]. On the other hand, Rick’s relationship with his once best friend, “Shane”, didn’t end so well. LOL’ed.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 7:07 pm Captain Tautological

        Also, Jimmy McGill and Mike Ehrmantraut were developing a strange sort of respect for one another on Better Call Saul – a heckuva lot better respect than what Jimmy was getting out of his older brother.

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    • What was the last good film about male friendship?

      Lonesome Dove and Secondhand Lions.

      Of course, the dweebs nowadays would probably say The Hangover and Brokeback Mountain. :duckface

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 10:45 pm Captain Tautological

        GE, a more recent one, called “Broken Trail”, paired Duvall with Thomas Haden Church as his nephew [as I recall, Duvall’s character was THC’s mother’s brother].

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      • Wasn’t Broken Trail about saving some Chinese girls from sex slavery, or something like that? I didn’t watch it all the way through, because I was figuring there’d be some evil white slavers involved, or some stereotypical Cathedral dampening.

        Duval’s Lonesome Dove and the western he did with Kevin Costner, Open Trail were the gold standard.

        The original Shane had some interesting themes amid the short-lived friendship between Alan Ladd and Van Heflin… as well as the community in which they lived and tried to hold together.

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      • Check that, Open Range.

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    • on October 23, 2015 at 9:40 pm mendozatorres

      What was the last good film about male friendship?

      Stand By Me comes to mind.

      BASEketball if you’re looking for a comedy.

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    • > What was the last good film about male friendship?

      Shawshank?

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  27. I am around a lot of guys who have been immersed in blue pill indoctrination their entire lives & I have spent a lot of time trying to unplug them.

    They fight so hard against it. Even when they can see for themselves how the facts of the world match up to what the red pill predicts. Even when they are forced to admit that the red pill is factually correct, they resist it for being morally or ethically “wrong”. So I’ve pretty much given up on trying to help anyone.

    I think it’s like someone getting sober. A man has to hit rock bottom & admit that his old thinking is not working for him before he is willing to try something new. Until then you are just wasting your time and they resent you for your efforts.

    I can easily imagine JohnnyTampon sneering at some well-meaning man who implies that being a friendzoned man-nanny to a cock-riding slut is not in his own best interests as a man. And then running home to his cock-teasing parasite and telling her what an unevolved misogynist caveman his friend is in exchange for a scrap of praise. So fuck him.

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    • I agree that helping people with advice is for the most part a lost cause, and that they have to want to help themselves. However your example of a person getting sober by having to hit “rock bottom” is not right.

      Yes it is a side issue here, but i will make the point anyways. There is no reason someone has to go so far down before he can re-evaluate his thinking, about changing his approach to life in regard to booze or anything else.

      And certainly common experience bears this out. Plenty of people don’t abuse alcohol and drugs because they see that it doesn’t work for them, and they make this determination at any point along the way.

      The cliche of having to hit rock bottom is simply untrue. The idea is part of some outmoded orthodoxy on “alcoholism” and is actually harmful: it can be used as a reason, a hamster rationalization (ha), for people not to re-evaluate their behavior.

      People not re-evaluating their behavior is not a side issue to the original post, at all, it turns out. People who have to hit rock bottom are less likely to re-evaluate, and their self-destructive behavior is more ingrained in who they are.

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    • That fucker is beyond redemption.”When ignorance is bliss. ’tis folly to be wise,” isn’t that ye olde saying ?
      it fits perfect with an amoeba that’s trying to pass for a man, or whatever the ” flavor of the day ” it is.
      Damn.

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  28. It’s been my personal experience that there’s no way to be guided to that particular revelation (that she’s a useless twatwaffle). I had an ex that thankfully I did not end up marrying or getting pregnant – my family hated her, my friends hated her, and eventually I was estranged from all of them until I finally had that moment of clarity that for some men never comes. It was only the fact that I became so beta that I actually drove her away that saved me from a lifetime of being married to that trailer spawn. Out of curiosity, I looked her up many years later. She was divorced, with children, and completely broke, as was whatever it was that had been slightly dumber than me and gotten her down the aisle. As soon as she was gone, I got back into shape, my family welcomed me back, and I’m now married 10 years to an HB8 who is slimmer than the day we said “I do.” If you would have told me how fantastic life could be if only I’d have dumped that land skank I was so nuts about, I would have sent you an Amazon gift card for a free strait jacket.

    Some things, men can only learn through time and experience. That’s why the Native Americans would send their young men on vision quests alone.

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  29. I agree that male peers should be present in large numbers in the lives of men. I would add, however, that most of my male friends are my brothers, uncles, and cousins (not to mention my father). Maybe I’m just lucky that I live so close to these nine or ten guys that we are mostly in the same city and region. And as the next generation grows, I know it is my responsibility to pass along to them the values that will give them success: in work, in women, and in life. A solid man can find a good job and a good woman (or women) wherever he goes, but he only has one family.

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    • I would add, however, that most of my male friends are my brothers, uncles, and cousins (not to mention my father).

      Male relatives like brothers, uncles, and cousins are of course better, but the increasing levels of betatude and lower birth rates means that they’re also much scarcer and less useful than they used to be.

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  30. Judging from my personal reaction to lovestruck betas giving away the store to leechettes, it’s because:

    1) the betas wouldn’t listen anyway — heck, they quite often will get hostile, and
    2) I do get a certain amount of schadenfreude in watching betas get fleeced, depending upon how egregious they are.

    If it was a male relative or close friend getting mooched off of, I might try throwing out some advice if I saw that he was unhappy and he showed himself willing to listen, but otherwise, I’d just let him learn the hard way, since that’s the only way he would in most cases.

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  31. I think you may be a bit off the mark here. It is true that good advice from a friend can save a beta, but they typically don’t listen. I’ve told my friends when they’re fucking up, acting needy, ruining their chances with a girl etc. And most of the time they just get mad at me and blow it off, only to come complaining later because exactly what I said has occurred. It’s like they’re afraid of failure, frankly, so they imagine that what they’re doing is right and they couldn’t possibly be doing anything wrong, so when you try and pop that bubble they lash out and you get nowhere.

    Let’s go back to this (ex)friend I’ve mentioned. He’s done the same thing with every girl he’s tried to get, and his been mercilessly put down. He even at one point switched schools because of his failures. But when you asked him he’d blame everyone else but himself. It was always the girl’s fault, some one else’s fault, bad luck, etc., even though the only consistent factor in all of this was him. I’ve told him this over, and over, and over, but he just won’t get it in his thick skull. I ended up just cutting him out of my life because he was dragging me down with him: all my attempts to help him out would just put me in a bad mood and I finally decided I wasn’t having it.

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  32. It takes too much time, effort and commitment to get your hopeless friends to finally see the light. So much to the point where it is not worth it.

    It is a bit like trying to teach your grandmother Riemannian manifolds. At some point you just give up.

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  33. In my experience, alphas don’t want competition. If a beta friend is clueless, they’re more than happy to keep him that way. Eunuchs are useful to distract the harem while the alpha is running around elsewhere.

    Remember the mid-2000s MTV show “Wanna Come In?” where naturals would give “advice” to betas on a date through an earpiece? Most of their advice was crap with a few exceptions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanna_Come_In%3F

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  34. I’m a beta and I simply just don’t have male friends period

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    • Why not ?

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    • I don’t think that being alpha or beta (or whatever) correlates to having or not having (male) friends.

      Plenty of alphas are loners. And plenty of uber-geek and reeking bespectacled failures, have friends.

      The dynamics of friendship along the axis of alpha / omega are interesting, but that is another question. Someone not having friends is not due to being a “beta”. In my view most guys are beta, and that is as it should be. And also most guys have friends.

      In fact the case might be made that the truest alphas are most lonely. Though that is probably not true either. Sociability and dominance are independent variables and un-correlated.

      If you want to talk about the particular difficulties of friendship from the position of being a beta, that might be an interesting theme. Certainly people who are insecure in their status are difficult to be friends with.

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    • Certainly people who are insecure in their status are difficult to be friends with.

      This of course, is a HUGE theme, which could be elaborated, uh, quite a bit.

      It is certainly one of the prevailing conditions of our times, that people are uncertain of their status, of their place in their heirarchy, and it quite drives them crazy. This is the whole point of the rat study. That too many rats and they get confused and don’t know their place and dysfunction proceeds from there.

      And so how does a man relate to other men, and women, and the world, if he really doesn’t know where he stands.

      It’s all an act, right?

      (And with that can i take a bow and say good night?)

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  35. It seems to me that, somewhere, once upon a time, I read a parable about a buddy named “West” who was intent on drowning himself….

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  36. I had this exact same thought about Jewish males. They need real American male friends so they don’t have to live under the oppressive thumb of Jewish females.

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  37. on October 23, 2015 at 5:28 pm Del Gelderman

    Where are Johnnie’s male friends? Getting pegged!

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  38. I’m like James Bond, no friends, don’t need or want them, they are time wasters, talking about negro sportball games. MPAI

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  39. Mr Miyagi say,

    To have friends ah one ah must be friendly

    You see, Daniel-son?

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  40. Had a 50 yr. Old divorced f’ed over neighbor. Saw him make a fool of himself. Tried to advise. No use. He f’s fuglies. Chases them on tinder.

    Known so many other betas this way. I’m now convinced after a certain age they can’t be reached. Female attention is just too important to them. Even fugly hateful attention.

    I no longer have friendships with betas.

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  41. White woman + white man join up to get through life====Heartsy Puts Them Down

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    • Interesting that you’d put the woman first in your calculus.

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    • Cuck, homo, possibly a Nambla member, Shallow, seslfish hippie yenta with no thin’ but i’ll damn sure take what you got attitude on HER end of a totally
      bizzare deal. Hope that clears it up for ya.

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      • You have never found yourself in a bad situation. You take help where you can get it…just cuz they are Liberals doesn’t mean the idea of ‘helping one another’ is wrong

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    • I can’t stress this enough…people who haven’t had it really rough don’t get it.

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      • You think everyone’s life here was easy ? I cAll b. s. on that one from my own life. Nobody promised you an easy trouble-free life; nobody here was, and I am willing to bet most agree. Oh, and I get it, but if you look like food , you are ‘gwine to get et. Do you know what i’m saying to you ? You got people that will help you, just ask.

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  42. Growing up in a multicultural abyss…I have no friends. When I meet people from homogeneous areas who have 20+ year long friendships they think there is something wrong with me. There is NOTHING wrong with me. I just got sat by the wrong colored people in elementary school.

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  43. Where are the male friends to save a beta? Good question.
    In my own experience I was meet with hostility from my friends when I tried changing my beta ways. They would rib me by saying things like “oh, watch out now, he’s trying to be alpha.” They told me to be myself. Its kinda funny though because my roommate could have been a pussy slayer if he had wanted too.

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  44. Only two kinds of guys can be helped – those broken on the rocks and those staring at the abyss. These are the only ones who will listen and then act. We see both kinds here, but they are here because they are one or the other.

    The broken on the rocks guy is easier – because he has felt the pain of his mistakes. The one whose girl cheated on him, divorced, etc.

    The staring at the abyss guys are harder, these are the guys who really want to find success but don’t understand or cannot find the way. Guys who are 25 YO virgins etc. They really want to change because they don’t like their situation but don’t have the searing pain to motivate them

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    • Hm, read Sentient’s post and pay close attention to what he says.
      There is Iron in his words.

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    • It’s like guys who always say they want to start their own business… you give them concrete actionable advice and they never do it. Number one reason people aren’t their own bosses, they refuse to act. Because acting is scary. acting invites failure. Most people are failure averse.

      But a guy with nothing to lose or everything to lose – those guys have the right motivation to act and succeed.

      Tip – if you ever back a guy in business, make sure he is one of these.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 9:47 pm Captain Tautological

        They have to have that Dark Side to them. Preferably stone cold k!ller. They can be affable or polite or cheerful or well mannered, but they can’t be too soft. Business ain’t a charity. And Nice Guys Always Finish Last.

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    • This is an interesting point – I hadn’t thought of it in those terms. I was a classic “abyss” guy – virgin till 24 (and that was a fluke) etc. One of my lasting regrets is that I actually stumbled into the PUA community on some online forum when I was 22-23 (before The Game was written – this would be around the time when the events described in The Game actually took place).

      I had all the time in the world to “hyperfocus” (as YaReally calls it) on pickup..and even then I KNEW this was important and could change my life. And I..didn’t do it. Sheer lack of motivation. There were fewer resources available then, but it was entirely possible. Even though I was desperate to sort things out with women.

      It was only a few years and many bad experiences later that I found the motivation to take a Mystery Method course..and got some remarkable improvements for a few months – first one night stand, etc but also stumbled into an LTR I shouldnt’ have (a HB6, but very pleasant girl and good wife material if I’d been ready for that).

      And it’s only been in the last 2-3 years after I ended that relationship that the ending of that relationship really gave me the motivation to push myself and take action and move forward. And it’s in that time that the big changes have started to happen, even though I simply don’t have the kind of time to do it that I did in my early 20s..I will always regret having wasted that time.

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  45. Once again do you people not have friends ? sounds pretty weird if you ask me. And you should have beat the hell out of dem ” colored boys” in school, I know I would have, Sheesh, some of you characters crack me up.

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    • ahaAHahAhaAhahaAhahaAHAH Clueless. Let’s hope Men like Me stop Multiculturalism before you smart-asses have to go through hell and don’t make it through the other side alive.

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      • I can take care of me and mine just fine. But, thanks for playing. And if I were a betting man, I’ll do fine.And how will you fare,sir ? ALL YOUR BRAVADO ASIDE, How will you do? Remember you have no friends in figuring this one out
        (Starts Stopwatch .}

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      • Not everyone makes it to the other side of the multicultural abyss. Most of my white childhood friends did not make it safely to the other side (meaning pure white kids.) 90% of the Red Pill Males who grew up with white people are really Blue Pill Males if they had grown up someplace else. You only made it through because the storm didn’t hit you.

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  46. Some things, men can only learn through time and experience. That’s why the Native Americans would send their young men on vision quests alone. Not even the elders, the most experienced and knowledgeable among them, could teach everything that needed to be known.

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  47. The comments answer the question. A lot of guys have no male friends, make no effort to cultivate friendships and then proceed to blame it on external factors. I.e I grew up in aa multicultural society.

    [CH: no one’s placing the blame entirely on atomized society. no duh there are multiple factors at play, but the point remains that community and social circle breakdown (partly caused by diversity™) can make it more difficult for a man to find and maintain years-long friendships with men who have some loyalty and will look out for each other in tough times.]

    That’s bullocks. You can still make male friends. Get a hobby, play soccer,basketball, football. Buy a motorcycle. You will meet fellow men. Hit the bars with them. Chase chicks with them. Attend their weddings, kids birthday parties, e.t.c. Male friendship is an investment. Commenting on internet forums is not a substitute.

    [this is a hobby, not a substitute.]

    You don’t want to end up like Johnny.

    [again… where were johnny’s male friends to pull him back form the brink? they left him when his nation left him.]

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    • I had sent CH a personal story where being the only white in a group of non-whites was a negative experience on my game-development, long story short my “friends” didn’t help at all when I was first trying to figure out the dating scene and looking back I believe it was because we were of different tribes.

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      • on October 23, 2015 at 10:55 pm Captain Tautological

        Game [& Dark Enlightenment] Explanation: If you’re not with White People, then you are self-qualifying yourself DOWNWARDS, never upwards. Any chick who sees you will be thinking, “Why doesn’t he hang with Whites? Why is he hanging with us eskimo/gook/mud/nog losers? He must be a total loser himself.”

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      • IDK man, worked out for me…

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  48. It’s painful how many of my friends—graduates of elite universities, successful entrepreneurs, often freakish talents—are married to girls in the 1–2 range. Not middling 5–6s. I mean 1–2s: ugly, frumpy, morbidly obese, etc. (Their wives are usually nice. They had better be, ’cause they ain’t bringing much else to the table.) These are dudes who should be pulling chicks in the 8+ range. But it’s simply impossible to talk about any of this stuff with them, because taking the Red Pill would wreck their whole world. (Some of them, especially the ones without kids, might some day end up single again. If that happens, you can bet I’ll have a little man-to-man with ’em.)

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    • I don’t mind who guys are with – as long as they are happy and getting what they want from their interactions. If they are happy and feel fulfilled with a 2, and she is happy and they are in harmony… good for them.

      The same for a guy with no girls… if he is happy… good for him.

      Life is short, best to try and maximize your happiness while you can. Just don’t fool yourself, that is the unpardonable lie.

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  49. A weak man shouldn’t get help from anybody. He doesn’t need a “support group” like women do. He needs to figure it out for himself or perish. Survival of the fittest.

    [CH: galt’s mulch.]

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  50. on October 24, 2015 at 1:41 am Captain Morgan

    I have a friend like this. It’s really hard to steer him right.. even when he kind of agrees it doesn’t work out in the heat of the moment. Very much like watching a car crash in slow motion.

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  51. Red pilling is tough. It really takes a consistent patient and persistent effort. I’ve been able to help 4 men make huge strides but it’s always followed a major incident with women. It’s usually how it works…gotta learn the hard way and grieve through the denial…before acceptance can be digested.

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  52. A close friend of mine is very personable, but he has low confidence with women. He understands the advice we give him but we can’t make him believe in himself and I believe that we are part of the reason why, or more specifically, the way we treated him in high school is. In any case I feel somewhat responsible for him now and I’m godfather to his youngest son and I don’t want his son to make the same mistakes.

    Anyway, he’s married a less attractive(but wealthier)girl who’s given him two kids and if she really tried I believe she could be in the same league. But their marriage is not all that happy and it’s encouraging neither of them to make the best of themselves. How could he turn this around?

    My other mate says they should get divorced, however, being from a broken home myself this is an unacceptable outcome and I’m determined to help him make it right.

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  53. Meh, not sure about this advice CH. I talked with my brother (and former best friend) about his gf (borderline, land whale). We don’t talk any more.

    Be careful telling your friends about their girl. Sometimes a beta will be very protective of the only shitty thing they’ve got and will ‘double down’ on the shitty investment they made.

    Vagina is a powerful force. She who sucks a betas dick from time to time is more valuable to a beta than a best friend.

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  54. There’s no one who talks to boys the way mothers, sisters, aunts, female friends etc. talk to girls. That support system simply doesn’t exist, at least not today. It’s sink or swim in an icy ocean, in which you are completely & utterly on your own. When you do meet guys who could be your best friends, their advice either comes from TV or da moo-vees (I’ve seen that episode, too, brah….) and most of the time, they will go after the exact same women (7+) you’re going after, resulting in added competition rather than help. Since most places where you find such women have a ratio of 3 guys per girl/15 guys per cute girl or worse, the ‘wing-man’ system obviously ain’t gonna work……

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    • God damn you Wolfie – you have all the help you need yourself right here on this site but you persist in your negative views… moaning mary.

      Guys (posters) are talking to boys (you) better than women are talking because here you are getting the hard truth straight up real talk style. In real time! Christ… So listen up… go and DO. IMPLEMENT.

      It does not matter how many guys are around, all that matters is that there are girls around. See girl – approach girl – talk to girl.

      Nothing else matters.

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    • they will go after the exact same women (7+) you’re going after, resulting in added competition rather than help. Since most places where you find such women have a ratio of 3 guys per girl/15 guys per cute girl or worse, the ‘wing-man’ system obviously ain’t gonna work

      I had this mindset for a long time and it’s total bullshit. Once you start making an effort, you’ll be surprised how little it takes to spark a girl’s interest, and how weak most of your competition is.

      Regarding wingmen: if you cultivate an interesting life for yourself, the people around you will naturally wing for you, because you’re the cool guy everyone likes to know.

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  55. What we see now is the result of letting the female imperative dictate the narrative. Males (White Males in particular) have been conditioned to believe that their natural instincts are wrong and bad for society. Now you have so called men making their decisions and life choices based on female emotions and feelings that just don’t occur naturally in the male. The likes of JT and the continuing march of death toward civilisational oblivion are a result of these poor decision processes.

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  56. Aw right, you mugs, listen up.

    At the end of the day, ya got two… and ONLY two… friends in this world:

    Pain and a dollar bill.

    /not kidding… not even a little.

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    • Is Jesus my friend? I’m a non believer but I heard his affection was unconditional…or maybe that’s Jesus’ dad.

      JC had a righteous beard and plenty of fish to go around. Charity is an alpha gesture, I bet JC would make a great wingman.

      Tortured, bearded, stoic and wise game!

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  57. Human belief systems are tied to rooted sense of identity. They are highly resistant to change.

    Challenging someone’s belief system, even with best intentions, is like attempting to rip away his identity. He will react with automatic hostility.

    You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. I’ve found I cannot pry open a blue pill mind even a little unless he is seeking knowledge and is receptive to the idea of new beliefs.

    I don’t try anymore. Total waste of time.

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  58. I have never really seen a man help another man with women. I have only seen the reverse, that men will go out of their way to either steal or prevent women from their friends. It is all very far from what I imagine fraternité to be like.

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  59. Male friends? What about parents, family? Hell, even grocery store clerk must suffer the dyscomfort when he is buying diapers for ahijah

    Had this happened in Eastern Europe, the guy would be disinherited and scratched off the family tree

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  60. Reblogged this on XWorkx.

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  61. OT note about game: went on business trip. IMed coworker from the other side of the country I met during the trip:

    She: I just checked my credit card and I should have got you to buy my drinks.
    Me: BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    She: I’ve never been out with a man and bought my own drinks before.

    Same night lay. Simple, simple little things one can do to improve one’s game.

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  62. Until the 1980s, there were many clubs where men could hang out without women around, where they could talk about things and get some mentoring and advice from other men. Feminist agitation shut them down and made them go coed. Today, there are many women-only clubs, but essentially no men-only social spaces.

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  63. I’ve got a friend who has developed a rather notorious reputation for being terrible with women. Attempts on my part to aid him are met with hostility. In all other aspects he’s a great guy to be around. But he will fight you to the death to keep the pussy on the pedestal. Some people are beyond help.

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  64. The main reason that men do not talk sense to beta males is that betas will not listen to reason. They want to believe, bruthas and sistuhs, that by “being nice to women,” women will “give them sex.” It’s pointless to use reason, logic and/or evidence. They have this vision of themselves with the Playmate of the Month(tm) if only they were nice enough. Often, they have gotten a whiff of “V” and like a crackhead, live for their next hit, no matter how much their realworld lives self destruct around them. It just may be a biochemical imbalance, come to think of it. Might as well argue with, well, a crackhead.

    Still, it’s a good question. Perhaps there are some men who have woken up betas and care to share.

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  65. Betas (URRGH ) most definetly do not listen to reason when it comes to the poon, I honestly wish I knew what they are thinking sometimes, but then again, I say fuck ’em. I can be a friend , but Dear Abby I damn sure ain’t.

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  66. “Not everyone makes it to the other side of the multicultural abyss. Most of my white childhood friends did not make it safely to the other side (meaning pure white kids.) 90% of the Red Pill Males who grew up with white people are really Blue Pill Males if they had grown up someplace else. You only made it through because the storm didn’t hit you.”-Hm Dude,have you not read a damn bit of what me and others comments posted to you ?
    You want help, this here olde farte will hep’ you son. Don’ want it ? no skin off of mine. But quit being a damn woman and make your mind up. Please do so., and qiuckly. That is what men do, I’ll have you know.

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  67. “Aw right, you mugs, listen up.

    At the end of the day, ya got two… and ONLY two… friends in this world:

    Pain and a dollar bill.

    /not kidding… not even a little.”

    ” there is also Iron in words, and possibly his stools .”
    Don’t let it go Your haid, good sir.
    just givin’ props where it’s due.;

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  68. Coincidentally I just met up with a buddy today, in the process of getting a divorce. He actually fits YaReally’s “rich good looking doctor” stereotype – 46, wealthy doctor, good looking (albeit a bit on the short side).

    He’s no beta either – wouldn’t call him a stone cold alpha (no killer instinct), but he’s charming, social, funny and does pretty well with women (we first met ten years ago when we were both new to the pickup scene and he was my wingman). He’s even had a threesome, although a lot of luck was involved there.

    ..And yet, just so Blue Pill. I made some casual comment about how women think with their emotions and not reason and he looked horrified. I tried to explain to him that although his wife would be okay (solidly attractive for 43), he’d have a MUCH easier time on the dating market as his SMV had held up much better, etc

    But he really found it hard to accept..

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  69. Some men are just incapable of changing their nature. Take my best friend for example: he is manly in that classical masculine sense – 5’10”, barrel chested and built like an 80’s wrestler, a slight beer belly, hairy up and down with a hearty laugh and a beard.

    Inside, he is more emotional than a woman. Needy for praise, attention and reassurance, he drapes his Facebook wall with selfies. The best woman I have ever seen him fuck was a 6 at best and one of the three thin girls he has banged out of his 50+ lays. He tells me he can find beauty in any girl (her eyes, her smile), which is his hamster spinning the lies he tells himself to assauge his ego for banging fatties. He has no confidence.

    I have tried for years to increase his confidence, teach him some dark art and up his game. He tells me he can’t do it because he doesn’t want to be an asshole. Rather, I think he just doesn’t have the confidence to try harder. Or, perhaps he is lazy and content to fuck fatties. Whatever his case, I have recently given up trying to better him.

    On the other hand, I have another friend who reads Heartiste as I do, a purveyor of the dark arts, and we build each other up constantly by discussing the lessons learned here to improve our standings. Men need men to build each other up AND to shame us when we stray from our appointed duty.

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