The Scientific Consensus Discredits Feminism

It seems a new book comes out every week now detailing the results from scientific studies proving that ingrained biological sex differences are real, and the “social constructivism” beliefs of feminism are wrong in every way. Here is the latest, a book offering a compendium of evidence into neural sex differences that defy the Standard Social Science Model. Excerpts:

– The biological differences that can be found between the bodies and brains of males and females are largely due to the way these embryos develop in the womb.

– There are also fundamental differences in brain development between men and women, which are clear from the early behaviour of children. A few hours after birth, girls are more sensitive than boys to touch, and 40 hours after birth girls look longer at a face than boys, while boys look longer at a suspended mechanical mobile.

– At four months old, if babies are frightened in a strange room, twice as many girls as boys cry.

– At 12, 18 or 24 months, girls look at dolls much more than boys, while boys look at cars much more than girls. It is hard to attribute these basic differences at such young ages to purely social influences.

– The development of the brain leads to many other differences and it has been claimed that clear sex differences exist in every brain lobe. There are some visible structural differences, such as a cluster of cells in the hypothalamus that is believed to relate to sexual behaviour and which is twice as big in men as in women. Evolution has selected differences between men and women so as to make their reproduction as successful as possible, which is its overriding aim.

– Small boys often get erections after the age of about seven, and by puberty more than half of all males will have tried to masturbate. It is only when girls reach puberty that they may begin to do so.

– About half of men think about sex every day or several times a day, which fits with my own experience, while only 20 per cent of women think about sex equally often.

– Men are far more likely to be sexually promiscuous, a throwback to evolution where procreation was all-important. The need for a more emotional attachment found in women must also have an evolutionary basis.

– Men are more likely to have an orgasm when sex includes vaginal intercourse, while many women are more likely to experience it when they engage in a variety of activities such as oral stimulation

– Hard-wired into the male brain, after millions of years of evolution, is a desire for sex in response to the sight of a good-looking young woman. In contrast, both male and female erotica cause sexual arousal in women, whether heterosexual or lesbian.

– A recent worldwide survey showed that visual stimuli play a much greater role in male sexual behaviour than in that of women, who value status, ambition or wealth more highly.

– Women show their emotions more than men and are more facially expressive for both positive and negative feelings.

– A major difference between the emotions of men and women lies in the expression of aggression, for which men enjoy a pronounced physical advantage. It has an evolutionary origin related to hunting and protection. This matters, as men have discriminated against women and dominated them in all societies from the earliest known times. Women can be aggressive but their aggression tends to be less physical. But girls and women with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), which increases testosterone in the womb, are more like males, with an increase in physical aggression.

– Almost the opposite of aggression is empathy, an emotion that marks a fundamental difference between the two sexes, being much stronger in women.

– Simon Baron-Cohen’s theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired for empathy, while the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for systemising, that is, for understanding and building systems. So, for example, it is claimed that a systemiser will probably choose to read about computers, technology or science, whereas an empathiser will choose romance or fashion. Significantly, boys born with an insensitivity to testosterone are worse at systemising, and girls born with CAH have enhanced systemising capability and lower empathy.

– Other emotional differences are that women generally report greater disgust than men, especially sexual disgust, and men engage in more risky behaviour.

– As regards humour, according to Prof Robert Provine, professor of psychology at the University of Maryland, Baltimore, “Females are the leading laughers, but males are the best laugh getters.”

– A surprising finding is that distinctive words, syntax, colloquialisms, repetition and other features of written text can expose the gender of an author. An analysis of 14,000 text files from 70 separate studies found that, while men referred more to the properties of objects and impersonal topics, women used more words related to psychological and social topics.

– The areas in the brain where men and women generate their intelligence differ significantly. Men excel at mental rotation, where a subject is asked to compare two three-dimensional objects or shapes, and say if they are the same or mirror images, while females struggle. Women do better on precision manual tasks involving fine motor co-ordination, such the assembly of circuit boards in a factory, which may be a result of foraging skills that evolved long ago.

– Women perform better than men, on average, in tasks related to declarative memory, the retrieval of long-term memories of specific events and facts, and on tests of object-location memory. They are thus better at remembering family history and where they left the car keys.

– Many illnesses are strongly genetically associated with one or the other sex. Those that are more common in women include certain mental illnesses such as depression, eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia, panic attacks and phobias. Also more common in women are autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and rheumatoid arthritis, chronic fatigue syndrome and osteoporosis.

– Very few autoimmune disorders show a male predominance. Males suffer more physical illnesses such as heart attacks and stroke. Other diseases more common in men include neurological disorders such as Parkinson’s disease, autism, attention deficit syndrome, dyslexia and addictions such as alcohol and drug abuse.

– Women live longer than men but only by an average of about four years.

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As the author notes, there are significant and lasting biological differences between men and women that are apparent from even before birth. The life choices the sexes make, on average, aren’t phantoms of a magical patriarchal privilege that drives men and women into stereotypical sex roles, but are instead natural and enduring outcomes of brains that are wired differently in the womb. Feminists who rail against disparate sex outcomes would do well to understand that only a frontal assault on the brain itself, carved in sweeping horror-strokes to equalist specification, will ever change this reality.

The CH worldview continues to be confirmed by science and by this little thing called leaving the house and experiencing the world with both eyes open. It warms our hearts to give such pain to the Lords of Lies. It may sound like a broken record to veterans of the Chateau way of life, but it needs constant reminding, and constant shivving, as long as corrupt femcunts and their crippled manlet Igors command the public megaphone. Today, an ignoramus celebrity termagant empties lie after lie about the sexes into the captured ears of UN globalists, and to standing ovations. While out here, deep in the gray woods where Heartiste acolytes watch the world crumble under the weight of falsehoods, a rebellion of truth gathers strength.





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  1. […] The Scientific Consensus Discredits Feminism […]

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  2. > “the captured ears of UN globalists” Bill [or Webb?] & Hill begat one child, Chelsea, who is about to beget one more child [half YKW at that]. Fertility ratios multiply over the generations: (0.50) X (0.50) = 0.25 cumulative [Bill and Hill should have at least 4 grandchildren, yet they have only 1]. So who benefits from inventing a fake ideology like Feminazism, and from using it to convince the Shkotzim to unbreed themselves out of existence? PS: Breaking hard, news of a secret correspondence between a young Hitlery “Goldwater GOP” Rodham and an aging Saul Alinsky.

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    • YKW Wolf Blitzer emcees the Marlene Dietrich-ization of poor stupid malleable naive “useful idiot” Hermione Granger. KKKoments at YKWtube are refreshingly cynical and vulgar.

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    • This woman looks more and more like a big fat hamster each year. She looks more and more like her mother. I’m taking bets on how long it takes before her beau comes out of the closet.

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    • bbbbut….bbbut…EMMA WATSON

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    • She’s as ugly as her mother.

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    • I read one of the letters Hillary wrote to Alinsky. Hillary is in her early 20s, I think Alisky was in his 60s, and her tone in that letter is flirty, almost sexual.

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    • Zombie Shane. Here we have an excellent study posted by CH, who goes through the trouble of listing various interesting posts. And what do you do? Instead of giving him well-deserved kudos for it, you ignore it and post about your own stuff. And because you sit by the computer waiting to take the top spot, yours is the first post readers will see in the comment section.

      As usual you post pictures and videos so that people will read your post more. So that the eye won’t be able to avoid it. I do not approve.

      Do you think it’s good that talking about the “YKW” ALWAYS, while ignoring the topic at hand, is beneficial? I know more than almost anyone about the state of things in the media. But I also know that ignoring everything else is extremely counter-productive. It looks clownish. It is off-putting to new readers. It gives fuel to the detractors.

      You being seen is not the most important thing here.

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      • Couldn’t agree more. What with his endless stream of ‘YKW” and “buns in the oven” comments, Zombie Shane has essentially hijacked this site. You can’t scan the “recent comments” section without seeing his name a half-dozen or more times. I wish to Christ Heartiste would ban this clown or at least limit the number of times he can post.

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      • at least he’s not a negro

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 9:29 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      What’s funny is that in 2008 she was bangable if my memory doesn’t fail me. She’s the case in point that marriage is retarded for men, unless she’s richer than you.

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 9:30 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I find it amusing that she was fuckable in 2008, if my memory doesn’t fail me. Marriage sucks.

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  3. I could be wrong, but I doubt there are too many people who believe that gender differences are purely ‘social constructions’ ——- probably not even among those who occasionally mouth such nonsense for purely single-objective tactical reasons.

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    • The reality of the number of people who believe it vs the number of people who don’t is irrelevant. The tiny number who push the agenda have a death grip on msm. You have to search for the truth.

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    • I recall a somewhat recent conversation where my interlocutor talked about how sex can lead to some strange behavior, but then denied the notion that boys and girls are born with (as aggregates) different natures and that humans have a nature. There really are people who believe in the Blank Slate and “social construction” (misusing the term and the concept, I believe) but maintain a sort of cognitive dissonance in how they let slip the facts of nature while pretending we can aspire to something beyond it. After all, the things people do for or relating to sex can only be because of the human sex drive which is solely the product of us being creatures who sexually reproduce.

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      • on September 24, 2014 at 4:18 am Mean Mr. Mustard

        A lack of sex can lead to even stranger behaviour.
        Jihad was invented by the Islam because their religion and culture made it too hard for a male to get laid outside of marriage.
        ISIS et al is just a bunch of very frustrated chumps.

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      • Nonsense.

        At any moment the average white person is only 9 meals away from violent revolution.

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  4. Feminism is an ideology that, like everything of female origin, has no foundation save for the emotional whims of its adherents. To discredit it with science and truth is like roundhouse kicking a ghost. All of your effort and energy will be expended on a target that is immune to your attacks. It makes more sense to ignore it entirely, or simply ridicule the subject when it comes up. The same applies to leftism, neo-con buffoonery, race baiting, etc. Awarding attention to these people only validates their convictions and grants them inclusion to popular discussion.

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    • It’s more akin to a religion. This becomes especially apparent in the way feminists defend themselves when challenged.

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      • Feminazism did not arise in a vaccuum. It was INTENTIONALLY created by a particularly evil group of pyschiatrists from Oscar Mayer Wiener Germany. Heartiste: “Those that are more common in women include certain mental illnesses such as depression, eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia, panic attacks and phobias.” These evil psychiatists had seen this mental illness in their female patients and they knew precisely the Unholy Hell which would be unleashed upon a civilization if the fragile, highly unstable female psyche were to become untethered from traditional moral codes and social mores.

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      • ZS, I admire your passion but crazy-eyed conspiracy theorizing is no way to go through life. The truth is that life isn’t that glamorous; there is no round table of Jew super villains, no sinister cabal of global elites pushing for a feminized society. There is only the fallibility of man and his inherent vices and weaknesses. Most people want to go through life being lied to. The same applies to sex and relationships. As much as game is glorified here, it boils down to a bleak and essential truth of human nature: people want what they can’t have.

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      • He will now either accuse you of being a YKW troll, an Axelrod agitprop agent, or ignore your post. Stay tuned….

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      • “… no sinister cabal of global elites pushing for a feminized society. There is only the fallibility of man and his inherent vices and weaknesses.”

        Only?

        Those who deny any degree of human agency behind events should read more history.

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      • I’m not denying human agency. But ZS takes it to the extreme, where everything is a calculated deliberation by nefarious powers. Not to mention the stupid moralizing.

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      • how does that saying go? emergent groupthink doesn’t have to be a conspiracy to resemble it in every way.

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      • > “crazy-eyed conspiracy theorizing is no way to go through life” Nor is it any way to go through life ignoring the very same little birdie, hovering over your head, who keeps shitting on your eyeglasses, day after day, month after month, year after year, decade after decade. PS: Calling sane and truthful and perceptive people “crazy” is also a very old and shopworn technique of the Oscar Mayer Wiener crowd.

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      • The truth is that life isn’t that glamorous; there is no round table of Jew super villains, no sinister cabal of global elites pushing for a feminized society.

        Typical strawman argument of the ignorant. Claiming that those who are aware of Jewish control of the media say it’s a “conspiracy” with “super villains” at secret meetings.

        You can’t disprove the facts so you use this. Meanwhile anyone can look up the names of Hollywood and media bosses and see that they are overwhelmingly Jewish. Jews themselves recognize this. Just look up the story “Of course Jews run Hollywood”.

        It’s not a “conspiracy”, it’s their instinct. As for conspiracies, they are short-lived and focused on particular issues, ending when the goal is met. They exist all across the world, this is undisputable. Just recently I read about a conspiracy by a faction in a political party to neutralize rivals within the party while keeping up appearances before the rank-and-file. Happens all the time. In the media too, no doubt. But it’s irrelevant. What’s relevant is the overwhelming fact that Jewish instinct leads them to promote their own and exclude others from top positions. That their instinct makes them sell shares in media mostly to each others, and those “goyim” who are “approved”, by having Jewish wives or long-time business partners, etc.

        …While Whites believe in the rule of law protecting all, so that clannishness is unnecessary for protection, and stands in the way of merit-based promotion. We are taken advantage of therefore.

        There is only the fallibility of man and his inherent vices and weaknesses.

        Ah, yes, it’s all “fallibility of man”. Are you really so totally unaware of Jewish dominance in the media, or do you simply pretend? I notice that you NEVER have any facts to bring up, only strawmen. The facts are overwhelmingly against your false position.

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      • The feminists/liberals recently went into all out mouth-frothing attack mode when leading atheist Sam Harris suggested estrogen as the reason why there aren’t as many women as men in the atheist movement

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      • on September 24, 2014 at 4:24 am Mean Mr. Mustard

        You don’t need an official conspiracy (YKW) when and where mutual interests converge.

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    • You can’t ignore Feminism; that’s how it gained so much power in the first place. As Ayn Rand said, “The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow.”

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    • I encourage you to do an analysis of the ethnicity of prominent feminists. I also encourage you to read Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald. E. Michael Jones has also written extensively about this subject and is a brilliant Catholic philosopher and historian as well. ZS may seem wild eyed and crazy to some but he is absolutely correct on the source of these modern pathologies and is very accurate in his deconstruction of them. Control of the top 20% of US Universities has had a powerful influence on the curriculum and what is considered to be acceptable beliefs and what is considered to be wild eyed conspiracy world wide, irrespective of its veracity. Remember, there are those who create opinion and those who follow it. Most focus on the followers rather than the creators, which is a crucial error.

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      • I also remember several prominent founding members of feminism had serious daddy issues. Feminism is a hampster dialed up to global levels, where instead of a bitter post wall girl bitching that ‘all men suck’ with her girlfriends, a group of them created an actual religion to rationalize their man-hate

        Molon Labe.

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      • Indeed. The founders of feminism are Margaret Mead, Susan Sonntag, Naomi Wolf, Andrea Dworkin, Betty Friedan – all Jews. Several openly communist.

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      • Within the Jewish spirit it seems there’s a general discontent with the universe and reality and an insatiable desire for social upheaval as well as the delegitimization of all cultures but their own.

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    • Cryo, I agree there’s no round table of cackling Jews organising all of this. Yet there’s abundant evidence showing a deliberate program to debase Western/Christian society and that Jews were/are over-represented among its proponents to such a degree that it could be reasonably be seen as a “Jewish” project.

      This does not gainsay that most ordinary Jews are presumably fine people and good citizens and are not engaged in this program in any way.

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    • Arbiter, Hollywood is not the world. And even if it was, what the fuck are you doing about it? Talk to me when you start organizing the next holocaust. I have no illusions about Jew supremacy in the media. I know what the score is, and I know there’s nothing to be done about it. Let me know how Atlas Shrugged Part 7 goes lol. I’m sure it will really stir up the cultural discussion.

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  5. Article in TIME (of all places) containing RealTalk about the Wall:

    http://time.com/3422046/30-is-the-new-50/

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    • Even worse, it originally appeared on xojane which is mostly insufferable.

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    • “It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything—like most of the guys I have dated in New York—less is more.”

      This girl has really swallowed the “strong independent woman” stuff whole. Who wants a 30something who is striving, successful, damaged, opinionated etc IF they can have a 20-something straight from college? Didn’t her mother tell her anything?

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      • Oh hell – knew I should have read this thread first before linking the very same….

        Hugh put up my favorite quote from that article

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      • “It’s this logic that has most of my 30-something guy friends dating girls fresh out of college. Girls who, in my experience, are less impressive, less striving, less volatile, less successful, less intimidating, less questioning, less pressing, less complex, less damaged, less opinionated, less powerful, less womanly. They are less, and, to a guy not ready for anything—like most of the guys I have dated in New York—less is more.”

        Blah blah blah, it’s called the Pygmalion complex, and nearly all men have one. You missed out.

        Incidentally, the most questioning/complex/opinionated/etc girl I ever dated was 19 when I met her. Even if you haven’t been around the block yet, you can unplug from the Matrix at any age. Most never do.

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      • “My career successes, my triumphs as a human being, are trumped by the fact my looks—and my ovaries—have a shelf life”

        So women spend the years – what, 30 – 50? – wishing they could secure alpha commitment by being strong independent blah blah blah and wondering why it doesn’t work.

        Betas spend the years 13 – 30 hearing what great guys they are and how lucky some woman will be to marry them one day and blah blah blah. Meanwhile they wonder why they can’t get laid to save their lives. This is not the stuff of an article in Time. Except when an Elliot Rodger pops out of the deck, then we hear about betas lurking in elevators and #YesAllWomen.

        “Because at our age, we’re adults, and things matter more. The mistakes leave marks.”

        Men become men through pain, psychological or physical. Take that away and you get a beta. If anything, the inevitable slings and arrows leave fewer marks on them as they age because they’ve been through it all before. OTOH, a woman approaching the wall is discovering the ugly side of the sexual market, like jagged rocks at low tide, for the first time.

        “For a man, age brings success, wisdom and the Hollywood-approved wrinkles of Robert Redford.”

        It had better. Nobody likes a loser.

        “And, while I too find that my career is on the up, it doesn’t matter, because time, for a woman, is hardly as kind as it is to a man. My career successes, my triumphs as a human being, are trumped by the fact that my looks—and my ovaries—have a shelf life. Biology and Sociology 101.”

        Danielle Crittenden tried to warn you about this 15 years ago. While you were in middle school! She was, of course, roundly lambasted for daring to suggest the mythical corner office was anything but the sole key to your self-actualization. Have you considered a lawsuit against your parents?

        “In New York, men approaching their 40s begin to feel the weight of time more acutely…”

        If I may digress, is there ANY reason to go there except to become an I-banker or hedge fund manager, or to marry one, then get the hell out?

        “…something women are confronted with the moment they start their first period. While boys are still sitting in the school parking lot burping up Cokes and Doritos, young girls are in some ways exposed to the long, faint shadow of their mortality, a life defined by precise timing and narrow windows—girlhood and fertility immediately presented to you as finite and limited. Everything has its end.”

        What? I thought we just spent the last 40 years discovering those things are all social constructs that the patriarchy WANTS you to believe.

        “Men, on the other hand, start to engage with their bodies only decades later…. Overnight, their biological clocks start ticking. They want kids. They want a partner. Their timer has gone off. DING DING DING.”

        What? I thought they were Peter Pans terrified of growing up and becoming responsible.

        “Alex couldn’t handle the idea of having kids right away and broke it off, because he had the luxury his fiancée did not: namely, time. And the ability to eventually, when he was ready, find someone 15 years younger to have children with.”

        There oughta be a law…

        “Which brings us to the point when he finally—after nearly an hour on the phone … admits he’s been seeing some 20-something girl named Anouk for the past few months.”

        You were dating a beta. No wonder you went four dates without sex and now you’re letting him have it in the pages of Time.

        “A 30-year-old woman is an undertaking, and it’s the real reason Alex has been putting me on the back burner for the past two months, telling me that I’m amazing and that he’s interested and then disappearing to hang out with a 23-year-old instead.”

        You’ve sold me. I want my next relationship to be an “undertaking”.

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      • That’s funny, I just tweeted that story to CH. But it’s no wonder we find the same story, since it was on Drudge, one of the news sites most of us visit.

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      • 34 here … girlfriend is a hot 20 years-old… “best relationship ever” as she puts it. Meanwhile 30 old year spinster trying to shame me with all the classic stuff. But I started counter attacking without defending myself … But seriously, which guy would do differently?

        They are more impressive and more feminine and less damaged, opinionated …

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  6. “Men excel at mental rotation, where a subject is asked to compare two three-dimensional objects or shapes, and say if they are the same or mirror images, while females struggle.”

    Lol struggle?! I can’t do this AT ALL. Unless I have the object and can turn it myself to look, I literally have no idea and have to guess wildly at those questions.

    TMI but that masturbation thing is wrong!

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    • i’ve dated some very smart girls with sterling GPAs who couldn’t for the lives of them orient themselves to compass north.

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      • This. I’ve dated really famous “scientist” chicks who have to hold their streetmaps upside down in order to try to figure out whether to turn left or right at an intersection.

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      • That’s so funny… I was just going to post that about the maps!! It’s so true, I do the same thing. Lol.

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      • Cue the old joke about women being unable to read a map…

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      • I have often had the experience of being inside a building talking about direction or location and a woman points in the opposite direction. I always think that they’re doing it on purpose.

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      • I’ve often had the experience of women looking down at my cock as I’m ravashing them…I always figured its because they finally worked out where their pussy is…and they needed a man’s dick to show them

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    • TMI but that masturbation thing is wrong!

      And very moderate for men…7 years….yeah alright…

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    • Funny, I can disrobe a woman and turn her around in my mind … all in one smooth step.

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      • 7 for boys might be about right, but in regards to physical/sexual development, the gals are several years ahead of us, wouldn’t surprise me if they started playing auto-doctor around 4 or 5.

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    • Amy this is super random but did you ever base your decisions with guys off of what your sorority girls thought?

      as in if your girlfriends think a guy is a douche but deep down you may think they’re jealous as well, how’d you play that out

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      • Yea, all the time. If they think the guy’s a douche because he’s arrogant, player, etc then it’s probably just jealousy, rejection anger. It makes him more intriguing, but I know to be cautious. But if they think he’s a douche for a specific legitimate reason, like he got a girl pregnant and skipped out, that’s different obviously.

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 11:23 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      How the heck do you women drive if you don’t know the path and you don’t have GPS? In my city, if you can’t use lateral roads, you’re fucked if you want to drive between 8 and 11 am and between 17 and 20 pm. I ended up singing Hero in my car once out of pure boredom because I made the mistake of trying to get from one side of the city center to the other during these times(under 2mph average speed, 1.5h of driving lol).

      The good thing is that since I live in a big city and drive, I don’t know the names of most of the roads I use so I give directions women can follow(e.g. drive until you get to the building with X on it and turn right).

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  7. “Hard-wired into the male brain, after millions of years of evolution, is a desire for sex in response to the sight of a good-looking young woman.”

    Is this always immediate? I’ve wondered about this. A really hot girl walks into a bar. Do you immediately think about having sex with her, before you even see her move or talk? Or do you just notice she’s hot?

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    • Do you immediately think about having sex with her, before you even see her move or talk?

      yes.

      Or do you just notice she’s hot?

      that too.

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      • Do you immediately think about having sex with her, before you even see her move or talk?

        yes.

        Especially if she’s wearing something revealing. On the other hand, if she’s covered up like a muzzie woman or a nun, then no.

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      • At least, the temptation to fantasize about sex is much, much stronger the more revealing her clothes are and the riper her figure is.

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    • Amy: Is this always immediate?
      We’ve already fucked her twice before she moves. Each second, that number doubles.

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      • This!

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      • I’ll take it one step further. Men make an instantaneous judgement about EVERY woman they meet or even see, cross paths with, pass on the street, pass in a grocery store aisle, etc. It’s very simple: “Would I like to fuck her or not?”

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      • LOLOL

        What freedom! Women are perpetually on the defensive. Its exhuasting. I guess that’s why women are attracted to aloof. When they don’t have to be continually on patrol, they can choose to open their borders.

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    • I immediately view her in a sexual way and entertain the thought, stopping far short of some sort of laborious mental fantasy of the act. When I’m talking to her, the more IOIs she gives, the more those images start appearing — direct correlation between strength of IOI and filthiness of mental picture in picture that accompanies the conversation. By the time she relents, it’s all instinct.

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    • We don’t even have to think about it, it happens before we can do anything about it.

      Kind of like a reflex.

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    • It does not mean we will act on it every time though.

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    • Every time a man meets a women for the first time the very first thing he does is make a quick binary decision – would I fuck her? Yes or No. Every man you have ever met has made that decision about you.

      It’s not conscious, it’s autonomic.

      And feminists think they can ‘teach’ men not to regard women as sex objects.

      Yeah – good luck with that.

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      • Even in a work setting?

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      • If they’re white I visualize them handing me wads of cash

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      • Yes, Amy. All the time.

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      • Yep!

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      • Even in a work setting, even if married, even if seventy years old.

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      • It’s unusual if it there’s any thought involved and it’s finished long before the woman knows it started.

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      • on September 23, 2014 at 5:01 pm Modern Primitive

        We don’t switch off at work, Amy.

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      • …even if seventy years old.

        Ew, PA. Just… ew.

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      • Ok, thank you for the responses. I’m fascinated by how instant the sexual analysis is, even in work settings. I’m a big believer in dressing modestly for work to keep the environment professional and asexual. But apparently that doesn’t matter as much as I think it does. Our sexual analysis is more delayed. I will notice right away if the guy is good looking but my thoughts aren’t instantly sexual.

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      • LOLOL

        These glimpses into the way your curious minds work are wonderful. Why would anyone want to put a damper on this? Only someone who had never been the object of anyone’s desire would want to put the kibash on it, I guess.

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      • If they’re white I visualize them handing me wads of cash

        As do they… after you’ve finished your field chores.

        The workman is worthy of his wages. 1 Tim. 5:18

        lzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlozlozlo

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      • I made a Jewish girl call me Jesus:

        Whasmyname?

        smack!

        Whasmyname?

        smack!

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      • on September 24, 2014 at 11:43 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @Amy, modesty does help, but if she is hot enough, it won’t really matter. Heck, I can remember women I’ve seen last year walking down the street while I was driving if they were hot enough. Only one was, but I can replay how her ass was swaying as she walked in that short and tight black dress in my head with ease.

        When it comes to ugly women though my memory is total shit. I went to class with the same girls for 2 years and I didn’t manage to remember the names of most of the ugly ones by the end of my masters(I remember the names of two girls from class despite their modest looks because one occasionally did most of my work on team projects and the other one helped me . Maybe other men are different.

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    • Both. Applies to ALL men.

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    • Literally within a split second, from 50 yards away. Walking to and from work literally consists of an involuntary running internal monologue on the women I see on the street: “Face is only a 5, but the body is doable;” “Slightly overweight but still in her teens– Would probably do if no one find out;” “Would be bangable but the bad skin suggests weak immune system;” etc.

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    • Its not thinking, more like a full sensory Ben-Hur style chariots and all extravaganza

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    • The answer to both your questions is a resounding YES. Within the first 5 seconds i already have imagined her in, at least, 6 different positions.

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 11:13 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “Do you immediately think about having sex with her, before you even see her move or talk?”
      Yep. I probably think less about having sex with her after she talks. 😛
      “Or do you just notice she’s hot?”
      That happens a nanosecond before I imagine fucking her. And yes, this happens regardless of environment, my mood or anything. On the other hand, when I say imagine fucking her, I don’t mean what you girls do when you fantasize about being railed by someone you fancy. It’s just a series of mental notes with my impressions about how fucking her would be like, it’s not a coherent fantasy.

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      • By definition, “noticing she’s hot” is noticing if you would fuck her. Same for women.

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      • “By definition, “noticing she’s hot” is noticing if you would fuck her. Same for women”

        Not exactly, hence my question. We might notice a guy is hot but we don’t immediately think about having sex with him like men seem to do.

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  8. The quoted material contains some major blunders, For example:

    – Men are far more likely to be sexually promiscuous, a throwback to evolution where procreation was all-important.

    First of all, women are every bit as promiscuous as men. Sex requires two persons. Men hare not having promiscuous sex with themselves.

    Second, “a throwback to evolution where procreation was all-important.”. This is pure nonsense, Procreation is always all-important. It doesn’t get less important over time.

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    • these kinds of journo errors are getting commoner. it’s not the fault of the scientists, it’s the fault of the imbeciles infesting the journalist field.

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    • Credit where due — sex does, in fact, require “two persons.” But, a man who has sex with 10 women has had sex with 10 women; the women who sleep with that man have had sex with one man. Now let’s add in the (speculated but reasonable) fact that only 40% of men have historically reproduced versus ~80% of women. Maybe CH means that men are far more likely to be more sexually promiscuous.

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    • Women are not every bit as promiscuous as men. I don’t care what you’re finding on tinder, most women are not looking to have casual sex on a regular basis with a variety of different men.

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      • this topic occasionally rears its slutty head. here’s the 411:

        women are more promiscuous than the mediocre masses think and less promiscuous than red pill players think.

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      • @amy, @CH

        They are not ‘looking’ to do it, but they will, because I can seduce them. Contrary to popular belief around here it’s really not any harder to bed the girls with two notches under their belts than the girls with twenty.

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      • CH has never claimed it’s harder to bed less slutty women than sluttier women. Slutty women may be more promiscuous, but they are still promiscuous with alpha males.

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      • “CH has never claimed it’s harder to bed less slutty women than sluttier women.”

        Your wording betrays your M/w complex. Assuming the premise is true that if she can be seduced, then she is at least to some degree ‘slutty’. Unless you think that ‘less slutty’ could still mean ‘not slutty’.

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      • Your wording betrays your M/w complex.

        what’s there to betray? the madanna/whore reality is right there for anyone with the eyes to see. men value less promiscuous women more for LTRs and sluts more for quick sex. It’s not a complex, unless your intention is to pathologize normal, natural male sexuality.

        Assuming the premise is true that if she can be seduced, then she is at least to some degree ‘slutty’.

        quantity matters.

        Unless you think that ‘less slutty’ could still mean ‘not slutty’.

        less slutty means less slutty.

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      • “Contrary to popular belief around here it’s really not any harder to bed the girls with two notches under their belts than the girls with twenty.”

        Yea it is, because the low notch girls are usually in relationships vs. looking for ONS on tinder. Selection bias. *Cue YaReally’s ridiculing “Amy is a special snowflake” diatribe*

        CH is right, as usual. The truth might be ugly, but it’s not as ugly as some of you insist it is.

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      • @ kant

        you and the M/W complex shiz is getting old. there are certain women who won’t sleep with EVERY man who has good game. there are women who are sluts and those who are not. it’s ridiculous and self-defeating of you to believe otherwise.

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      • since we’re back on this topic, a clarification is in order. female promiscuity doesn’t mean in practice female rutting with any walking dick. thirsty beta males who think all they have to do is identify and pursue the town slut to GET LAID NOW will be sorely disabused of their hopes when she rejects them for the gorilla that the chaste girls also love. the real difference between slutty and chaste girls is in how quickly and frequently each puts out for the select group of alpha males they both want. coy girls (with the SMV goods) will make the alpha invest before sex is a serious consideration. sluts will put out for the alphas right quick.

        sluts like to whore themselves out to a bunch of alpha males, while nicegirls prefer to find mr right and stick with him.

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      • Many manospherians think that there’s some sort of anti-slut quality intrinsic to “less slutty” women. Circumstance determines a woman’s “sluttiness.”

        Honestly think about it. While the qualities that attract men and women are different with respect to each sex, the feeling of attraction is probably similar. If I’m attracted to a girl and she wants to fuck…..9 times out of 10, that’s what’s going to happen. Hard for me to believe that a woman feeling the same impulse (albeit for different reasons) has different odds.

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      • Many manospherians think that there’s some sort of anti-slut quality intrinsic to “less slutty” women.

        there sort of is: it’s called impulsiveness. chaste girls have less of it.

        Circumstance determines a woman’s “sluttiness.”

        circumstance is another word for environment, and like all environmental influences the primary agent upon which they act is the genetic architecture underneath the hood.

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      • “most women are not looking to have casual sex on a regular basis with a variety of different men.”

        Only when they’re ovulating and only with an alpha.

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      • What do you mean by “impulsiveness?” Sexual impulsiveness? As in, less control when confronted with feelings of sexual arousal? If so, then it’s hard for me to believe that the variance between a “chaste” girl’s response when horny and a “slutty” girl’s response when horny is that great.

        If you mean “willingness to go with the moment” or “see where situation X leads,” then maybe…because the “slutty” girl is more open to putting herself in situations where she may feel intense attraction.

        And that’s the main point — if what keeps these girls from being “slutty” has nothing, or little, to do with how they respond when they feel horny and more to do with whether they are “wet blankets” in general….then I’d say the SMV value of the latter girl versus the former, if it’s higher at all, isn’t much higher because “wet blankets” are no fun.

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      • What do you mean by “impulsiveness?”

        a willingness to go all the way right away. impulsive people are more novelty-seeking, and consequence-damning.

        it’s hard for me to believe that the variance between a “chaste” girl’s response when horny and a “slutty” girl’s response when horny is that great.

        of course there’s little difference b/t the two types of girls once sufficiently aroused. the difference is before then, when judgments are being cemented and arousal is just a faint stirring.

        because the “slutty” girl is more open to putting herself in situations where she may feel intense attraction.

        slutty girls may self-select the crowds who adore them, but still if you put a slut and a nicegirl in the same sexualized situation, the two will react differently to the excitement.

        then I’d say the SMV value of the latter girl versus the former, if it’s higher at all, isn’t much higher because “wet blankets” are no fun.

        any man who wants to get laid will be put off by wet blankets. but then, he’ll also be put off by sluts when he wants a more meaningful relationship. even if he never admits it to others or to himself.

        theoretically, i have no problem with the assertion that, given a player with tight enough game, any woman no matter how chaste will succumb to his charms and let her inner discovery channel roam free. but in practice you do see differences among women in their numbers of partners or how easily they move from bed to bed. partly this may be because chaste girls simply avoid situations where players prey, partly it may be because chaste girls are truly a tougher egg to crack.

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      • Well, at least Scray and YaReally get it.

        I’ll stop shouting it from the rooftops now, since yeah the discussion is getting old. But when you gain a lot of experience and start consistently bedding all types of girls within an hour of meeting them you start seeing the world in a very different way. And I wouldn’t consider myself advanced — maybe high intermediate at best, I know guys way better than me.

        Sometimes it feels like half the posters here don’t get laid at all, or very much tbh

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      • “consistently bedding all types of girls within an hour of meeting them you start seeing the world in a very different way.”

        you are not bedding “all types” of girls.
        if every one of them is giving it up within an hour, you are bedding one type of girl…the sexually promiscuous kind.

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      • Sometimes it feels like half the posters here don’t get laid at all, or very much tbh”

        i get laid plenty thank you very much and i don’t even have to bag it or spend all my time gaming new girls.

        amazing what happens when you find one of those chaste good girls who doesn’t sleep around and thinks you rule the world

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      • Again, CH is right. Impulse control. I get sexually aroused the same way a slutty girl does. And probably with the same frequency. But I have impulse control. I also try to avoid overly tempting situations. If I just met you, I’ve had a couple drinks, I’m really attracted to you, yeah you could game me right into sex if I went to your place. So I wouldn’t go to your place.

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      • ‘any man who wants to get laid will be put off by wet blankets. but then, he’ll also be put off by sluts when he wants a more meaningful relationship. even if he never admits it to others or to himself.’

        A man will be put off by both in an LTR setting, which is why it seems like the SMV impact may be a wash…or at best, in slight favor of the “wet blanket.”

        Not only that, but these are both filed under “personality/behavior,” which is about 20% of the female equation. Neither can matter that much.

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      • @Amy
        “Yea it is, because the low notch girls are usually in relationships”

        Ya, we all know how difficult it is to fuck women in relationships lol

        @Scray
        “Circumstance determines a woman’s “sluttiness.””

        This.

        @CH
        “impulsive people are more novelty-seeking, and consequence-damning.”

        This is why you remove the consequences for the consequence-averse (or convince them they’ve been removed).

        The “chaste” girls with low n-counts who end up banging guys like me aren’t banging me thinking “I’VE ALWAYS DREAMT ABOUT SUCKING RANDOM DICK WHERE CAN I GET MORE DICKS IN MY MOUTH!!!” and that’s not how I’m proposing things to them.

        What I’m doing is creating a situation where they feel the same comfort, chemistry, connection and trust with me that they feel with other guys after a few months of dating or years of knowing them.

        There are X number of switches that need to be flipped for a girl to put out. Most guys flip one or two each time they see the girl and most guys have shitty game or anti-game, so a girl who’s dating one of those guys seems “chaste” because they only guys she hangs out with take forever to flip those switches.

        Legit PUA is about very efficiently flipping all those switches in one or two nights. That’s why we called it “speed seduction” and the main forum was on the “fast seduction” site back in the old days. That wasn’t a bullshit title that sounded cool, it was titled that because we were developing extremely efficient game to bang “slutty” AND “chaste” girls, because they’re both the same thing.

        The only real difference is that a “chaste” girl worries more about consequences or has more to lose or feels like she needs more trust/comfort than the “slutty” girl. But proper PUA seduction involves flipping those trust/comfort switches on the “chaste” girl the first night or two that you meet her, so you can bang her.

        I can’t even count the number of people who’ve told me they feel like they’ve known me forever when they’ve only met me an hour ago…it’s because I’m very efficiently flipping the same switches that their close friends and family have slowly flipped.

        A way to think of it is that pickup isn’t about convincing a girl TO fuck you…it’s about convincing her that there’s no reason NOT to fuck you. You find out what her objections are and remove/diffuse them, and she fucks you.

        So a “slutty” girl might not worry about people thinking she’s a slut, and she might not care about comfort/rapport, but maybe she has a boyfriend and is trying to be a good girl for once. So to fuck her you don’t have to spend much (if any) time on comfort/rapport or worrying about isolating her or being subtle, but you have to convince her you “don’t count” as cheating or avoid mentioning her boyfriend at all, or tell her a comforting story about how you knew someone who was trapped in a relationship they didn’t want to bla bla.

        So you figure out her objections, remove them, and you can fuck her.

        With a “chaste” girl, she’ll still fuck you the same way, but she’s more concerned about looking like a slut, she doesn’t want people to find out, she doesn’t want to do in-public makeouts because people will judge her, she won’t do anything in front of her friends, she doesn’t feel comfortable with her body so she doesn’t want to get naked in front of a guy she feels like she barely knows, she wants trust comfort and a special connection with a guy before she can relax and have sex, etc.

        So naturally most guys won’t have the game to diffuse all that shit, because most guys’ game is complete shit, if not worse than complete shit. Those guys can handle disarming the “slutty” girl’s objections because there aren’t many so those girls rack up the n-count.

        But a guy who comes along and, in a few hours, can convince her she’s not a slut for expressing her sexuality, can isolate her and convince her no one will ever find out, can win the approval of her friends as a high-value male, can build massive comfort/rapport with her to the point where she feels like he knows her deep down soul more than her friends or family do, and can build that connection and make her feel comfortable having sex…that guy is going to fuck that girl that night, just like he fucked the “slutty” girl the night before.

        This is just fucking logic backed up by massive in-field experience from thousands of PUAs.

        The problem people like Amy make from the start is that they think we’re all just fucking the dumbest drunkest sluttiest whore-bags in the bar. They literally can’t wrap their minds around the idea that we’re banging girls just like them, because to consciously admit that that was possible would be to admit that they’re just as suseptible to it and her entire attention-whoring here is based around separating herself from “the sluts”, which is why pretty much every post of hers is basically “look how much of a unicorn I am compared to other girls, I’m the type of girl you guys approve of right?? Let me brag some more about my chastity and standards while I talk shit about other girls! Please approve of me, men!! I’m NAWALT!!”

        To accept that if someone came along and built the same comfort and connection and chemistry with her that she has with her long-term partners, in the span of a few hours, she would fuck them the same way she fucks her long-term partners and the same way that slutty bar slutterson slut-bag in the short skirt dancing up on the speaker fucks them, would destroy her special snowflake unicorn status.

        “partly this may be because chaste girls simply avoid situations where players prey, partly it may be because chaste girls are truly a tougher egg to crack.”

        These are the same thing. The “chaste” girl is a tougher egg to crack because she does things like avoid situations where players prey. But IF a player can GET to her (like a guy running daygame in a bookstore), and he runs tight game that neutralizes all her objections, he will fuck her that same night just like he fucks the “slutty” girl.

        Put it this way: If we could give every guy in the world actual solid game, all of these “chaste” girls would be fucking around…but like I say, most guys suck ass.

        @kant
        “But when you gain a lot of experience and start consistently bedding all types of girls within an hour of meeting them you start seeing the world in a very different way. And I wouldn’t consider myself advanced — maybe high intermediate at best, I know guys way better than me.

        Sometimes it feels like half the posters here don’t get laid at all, or very much tbh”

        Yup. Like I’ve said before and I’ll say again: pickup isn’t theory. It’s not about what might work or should work or what we want to work…every guy who spends enough time in the field, pushing their comfort zone and purposely challenging their limiting beliefs, and gets enough success comes to the same conclusions. That’s why Naturals all have similar belief systems and techniques, and why pickup can become more consistent than people expect.

        If we discovered that there was a subset of girls who were just magically different from other girls, and they were higher quality, and game didn’t work on them, we would admit that and figure out what works and try to crack that egg. But when you do pickup enough to realize that AWALT, and it all just comes down to circumstances…and game is about creating circumstances that the girl is comfortable fucking in.

        The desperate M/W unicorn-clutching that goes on in the Manosphere is because most of the sphere doesn’t even go out and are just crank old fucks who sit at home pissing and moaning that the world has changed and women are different and they want to hold onto the belief that if they just find the right girl they’ll cheat the system and not have to worry and she’ll just be faithful and they can finally let their guard down and step into the Disney fantasy their subconscious is still holding onto, and they don’t go out enough to show that Disney fantasy enough evidence to shatter it so they sit on the forums lecturing guys from their armchair about how the world works when they’re really only banging less than 10 new girls a year and half of them are old or butterfaces or generally damaged goods they met online.

        These discussions will continue to come up, just like looks/money discussions, until men actually go out and purposely step outside of their comfort zones and challenge their limiting beliefs and see what those of us who’ve done that see.

        “i get laid plenty thank you very much and i don’t even have to bag it or spend all my time gaming new girls.”

        lol I couldn’t even begin to guess how many girls in relationships have fucked me without wanting me to bag it either…before they go home to their guy who thinks they’re “chaste”.

        @Amy again
        “But I have impulse control.”

        You don’t have impulse control, you have a lack of someone diffusing the consequences of following those impulses.

        “I also try to avoid overly tempting situations.”

        And a guy with game will look for a girl like you in non-tempting situations and then create one around you. He’s not swinging his dick around like a helicopter from across the room shouting “I WANT TO FUCK SOME PUSSSSSAAAAAAY TONIGHT!!!” He’s opening you in an organic way in a non-pickup situation where your guard is down, or infiltrating your social circles.

        “yeah you could game me right into sex if I went to your place. So I wouldn’t go to your place.”

        And pickup is about learning how to build enough comfort/rapport with you and diffuse the consequences for you so that you would see no reason not to go to his place, or your place, or some neutral place.

        But again, your whole value in the Manosphere is based around NAWALT so you are incapable of believing that, just like the feminists etc. who think game would never work on THEM.

        And again this is why the early PUA community didn’t invite women to share their retarded opinions. Their solispism/hamsterism not only make them incapable of objectively viewing this stuff, but their attention-whoring makes them demand to be the center of attention and derail conversations demanding everyon accept NAWALT, wasting other people’s time when we have to explain, like we’ve explained a million times before, not to listen to women on the subject of pickup. It’s not only not productive, it’s actively COUNTER-productive. This is why men have made all the major advances in society and why shit falls apart when women are given a say in it. No one swallowing the Red Pill would invest in a company that’s run entirely by women, but they’ll give women’s opinion massive credibility in these discussions because 1) it plays into the Disney fantasy they WANT to believe, and 2) they don’t go out enough and don’t push their belief systems enough to understand how unconsciously full of shit women like Amy are.

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      • Yawn. Tldr: I hate when girls challenge my superhero status in front of my adoring fans.

        I’ll repeat what I’ve said/asked him before, which is something he conveniently ignores. Do you ever strike out, YaReally? Of course you do.

        But those girls must be frigid lesbians, because you’re the specialest supergamer playa of the manosphere, and NAMALT, and all girls are supersluts just waiting for you to game them into blowing you in full view of the bar while their boyfriend takes pictures. Lol

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      • @Amy
        “*Cue YaReally’s ridiculing “Amy is a special snowflake” diatribe*”

        On it. It’s in mod right now. I’ll be happy to lay off as soon as you stop saying stupid shit. I’ll be happy to back you up when you start saying shit that aligns with reality and the reference experience of thousands of men who’ve been comparing notes for 10+ years.

        i never thought I’d see the day the comment section was overrun by Zombie Shane’s twitter blurbs and Amy’s hamstering. How long was I gone for?? It’s like I came back to the Twilight Zone.

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      • @ scray

        “if what keeps these girls from being “slutty” has nothing, or little, to do with how they respond when they feel horny and more to do with whether they are “wet blankets” in general”

        there are women who are duds in general but there are also girls who are “wet blankets” for some men and not for others.

        these are the “selectively hard to get” girls that have been mentioned in other posts. they are more careful about their choices because they know that having one good man is far more satisfying and less self-destructive than having a string of meaningless hookups.

        i don’t think they have less desire or passion. they are simple more selective in who they choose to share that with.

        like CH said, “sluts like to whore themselves out to a bunch of alpha males, while nicegirls prefer to find mr right and stick with him.”

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      • ‘there are women who are duds in general but there are also girls who are “wet blankets” for some men and not for others.’

        Sounds like unicorn “have cake will eat too” talk to me.

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      • Id bet BIG money ..women are not biologically every bit as promiscuous as men.. Amy’s comment is 100% correct…

        the expert opinions in the comments of this blog wld be laughable if it wasnt turning a new generation of young men into self absorbed selfish mentally imprisoned caricatures of what a successful man is..(bedding all types of girls in 60 minutes or less.. ect ect)

        learning the correct buttons to push to score sex from a generation of women with no understanding of values or what they derive from by guys equally value starved and clueless .. isnt meaningful to developing your potential..

        Im not saying game principles are not valuable useful and important for men today..they are of course .. but it is alot like leverage in trading.. controlling $1 million with $5000.. there is the right time, circumstances and way to use it that power.. and developing a total disrespect for women is an error..

        great game..when attained is a power to be used sparingly

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      • Triggering horniness and the right kind of soothing patter overcomes every kind of temporal objection.

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      • Why bother even spending time in speed seduction? You might as well just move on to raping her and game her at the same time as the rape, it would be quicker that way and she wouldn’t report it.

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      • @yareally.

        So then why in a Greek system on a college campus where the same people are gaming do you have hot girls with 20 notches and hot girls with 3.

        You know how you do “tons of approaches” to bed and build harems. Yeah, keep in mind there are girls rejecting you ha.

        I’m still laughing at Kant’s claim that he fucks tons of Ivy League girls.

        Mhm yup. You would only understand that kant is full of shit or his girls are lying to him if you actually went to a top college and was surrounded by tons of girls you being the high status party.

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      • But also @yareally

        I met a girl at a coffee shop and within an hour we were getting drinks and she then went home and slept over. THIS GIRL WAS A VIRGIN.

        So yes I do know it’s possible. But a) she was a 7 maybeeeee. B) we didn’t have sex and c) she got buyers remorse big time.

        I’m just saying that yes I know it’s possible but some things you are claiming are not applicable to some girls usually 9s who get tons of attention as it is

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      • Maybe I’m just getting too cynical & need to hit up the cardio, bump the endorphins; but…

        As skilled and as generous as he is with his time and wisdom, I find @YaReally’s bit here more demoralizing than uplifting.

        .
        I’m with @CH, and feel that conflating game on sluts with game on “good” girls seems a lot like throwing dust in the air to hide a lack of morals.

        What Ya says here is almost a theory written by someone who never figured out the difference between Potential Energy and Kinetic Energy in Physics class.

        Just because a seasoned-player Can bang-out a “good” girl with near the same speed as a slut, doesn’t necessarily make the manipulation any more moral.

        It seems a question of Can Vs. Should, and powerful weapons in the hands of the immoral.

        *Especially because women never heal. If a chick gets hurt, it stays with her. *Every successive notch makes a chick less able to bond permanently in an LTR.
        And sending a comfort text after the Egg McMuffin doesn’t make it less of a Pump ‘n’ Dump.

        .
        Different people Do have different personalities, neurologies, pre-frontal-cortexes, aptitudes, body-chemistries, & brain-chemistries.

        There Are sluts, dating-market-thrillseekers, dopamine-addicts, druggies, broken girls, low-self-esteem girls, abused girls, or just plain have a few screws loose, etc.

        *The problem with the “PUA can PU any-chick, so they’re all the same.”-meme, is that it tries to say Potential==Kinetic, Can==Does, Imagined-crime==Committed crime.

        And when people throw dust in the air like that, it’s usually to cover their tracks in some way. Sex addiction, defining the self too much through dating+sex, running from some other psych issue,…

        .
        Even though you Can bang-out a “good” girl and pull all those levers, & overcome all that resistance, that fast, Should you? Should you really put an otherwise decent non-slut 1 notch closer to being a useless spinster?

        I guess I find myself wishing there were more of a “Gentleman Operative”-type of ethos about the community, that many options were passed-on just because it was ultimately more beneficial to everyone, like “Governing Dynamics”, from A Beautiful Mind. Just putting good karma out there, or Pickup Podcast’s “Mutual Value Escalation”.

        .
        Anyway, I still value the hell out of every YaReally contribution. And I mean these as more general thoughts than a targeted-personal-attack.
        Sorry to sound too much like ZombieShane, or that guy from Full Metal Jacket with an M-16 in his hands and a Peace Symbol on his helmet.

        Whatever the market though, there will always be some girls with more self-control than others.

        Because, “Can” will never be the same thing as “Does”.


        If it were, we’d All be in jail…

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      • … Even though you Can bang-out a “good” girl and pull all those levers, & overcome all that resistance, that fast, Should you? Should you really put an otherwise decent non-slut 1 notch closer to being a useless spinster?…

        No they should not.

        it reminds me of that guy , when I was a teenager who liked to do mischievious things just because he could like topple a mail box or break a glass bottle, he once bragged he had managed to spit in the gravy at KFC where he worked.

        Hundreds of people ate contaminated gravy because this guy needed a quick cheap thrill. He gained nothing from doing those things other than a very short lived thrill.

        PUAs who pump and dump good girls are contaminating those girls like the gravy above.

        In the end everyone pays a price for this guy’s little pleasure.

        It is irresponsible and childish.

        It is also kind of like giving free crack cocaine to someone who has never done drug, then that person ends up hooked and they slowly destroy their own lives.

        There is a lot of good things I am learning from guys with good game, and I am thankful for that as it helps with long term relationships as well – what I prefer – but I do not approve of everything PUAs do.

        Contaminating a good girl’s mind and her body ( higher risk of STD with a guy who beds a different girl every few days ) just because you can and because it gives you (a very ephemeral) thrill is wrong.

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      • @YaReally “On it. It’s in mod right now. I’ll be happy to lay off as soon as you stop saying stupid shit. I’ll be happy to back you up when you start saying shit that aligns with reality and the reference experience of thousands of men who’ve been comparing notes for 10+ years.”

        You don’t need to lay off; I couldn’t care less. I just like to point out your lazy nihilistic one dimensional bullshit. Otherwise your game advice right on. Lol

        Don’t we hear you say you can’t game a girl who is really into her boyfriend? Who thinks her guy is the biggest alpha in the room? Hmmmm. I thought all girls were sluts in the right circumstances. So what’s the problem there? Please, enlighten us.

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      • No one is talking about morality. We are discussing positive reality, first. However, because you brought it up — what is this ‘one notch closer to spinster-dom’ stuff?

        Chicks become spinsters because they aren’t cool, are boring, are insane, are fat, and just figuratively (often not literally) suck dick. Higher notch counts maybe correlate with some of that lame shit, but that’s about it.

        Whether she’s destined for spinster-ville has less to do with any particular PUA or notch — or series, even — than you’re making it out to be. The equation is simple: it’s a) if she’s cool, and b) if she’s hot. Cool + hot will always be in high demand. Cool + cute won’t do bad either.

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      • @kant I’m with you on this. The girls I’ve been banging within an hour of meeting are not “sluts”. They are NOT promiscuous. But by having tight game and DHVing them they are more inclined to open up sexually to me.

        Why? Because every girl is sexual. Who they are sexual with is the right question.

        Near as I can tell from my own self-analysis…I can continue banging these girls or walk away. But they tend to walk away if 1) they ‘feel’ slutty….that happens when their logical brain overtakes their emotional one. 2) I display neediness. This is more intangible.

        Im now more self-aware of the kinds of signals I’m sending out.

        Women are sexual creatures. several of the girls I’ve posted about here who I banged are the most feminine, quiet, submissive mousy creatures you’d ever see. They hardly speak in mixed company. But when I game them they open up.

        The discussion about “promiscuity” is moot. The real question in my experience is what is the right level of attraction vs comfort.

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      • @Piatti
        “Id bet BIG money ..women are not biologically every bit as promiscuous as men.. Amy’s comment is 100% correct…”

        Women run on Hypergamy. They want the highest-value male. If a woman married some small-town loser but IN that small-town that loser is the top dog compared to everyone and they never leave that small-town, she’ll be faithful to him. Because relatively-speaking, he is the highest-value male around so he’s triggering her Hypergamy. People will think “oh she’s “chaste”.”

        A girl who by some freak circumstances continuously runs into a slightly higher-value guy every month, will end up banging most of them, because each one is triggering her Hypergamy. People will think “oh she’s “slutty”.” The only difference between them is opportunity (availability/exposure to higher-value males) and circumstance (lack of consequence, a guy with enough game to flip all her switches and diffuse her objections smoothly, etc.).

        You can’t say “people express happiness by smiling and laughing. That’s a universal commonality. But there’s a magic subset of people who actually frown and stab someone when they’re happy.” That’s not logical, that’s clutching onto the Disney dream that there’s some magical unicorn type girls out there because accepting the fact that AWALT and all you can do is make sure your value stays high and there’s no way to “cheat the system” by finding a unicorn, is too depressing to guys who’ve been brought up on the Disney “wife and 2.5 kids” dream.

        Let go. Just accept reality and let go.

        When you let go of that delusion and finally fully swallow the red pill, it’s not so bad. You just have a healthy understanding that no one magically owes you anything. People, especially women who ping off their environment, will respond to the stimulus you give them…as long as you give them the right stimulus (keep working on yourself and having goals/passion/purpose and being high-value), you don’t have to worry.

        PUA is about triggering a woman’s Hypergamy, that’s why we have so much shit based around demonstrating high value, preselection, triggering her emotions to make her feel tingles, building more comfort/rapport faster and deeper than most of the people she knows in her life, etc. We go to that small-town the first couple lives in and demonstrate higher-value in front of that girl who’s never even SEEN higher-value in person and she fucks us. She’s the same girl she was back when she was “chaste” except that now we’ve purposely changed opportunity and circumstance for her. She’s simply reacting to her hypergamy.

        “the expert opinions in the comments of this blog wld be laughable if it wasnt turning a new generation of young men into self absorbed selfish mentally imprisoned caricatures of what a successful man is..(bedding all types of girls in 60 minutes or less.. ect ect)”

        There’s something primal about being able to fuck hot women. I would call bullshit on any guy who said they didn’t instinctively judge a successful guy when they first found out his wife was a disgusting troll lardbucket. Even if you’re rich with a 6-pack, if you’re settling down with a troll you wasted your potential and everyone knows it under their politically correct conditioning. There’s a reason everyone reading this found this website and it’s not because they typed “how to date and have asexual relationships with ugly women”. This shit is instinct.

        “learning the correct buttons to push to score sex from a generation of women with no understanding of values or what they derive from by guys equally value starved and clueless .. isnt meaningful to developing your potential..”

        Bla bla empty moralizing judgement. The world has changed. Adapt. Evolve and let the chips fall where they may. No matter how hard you grasp onto the past, the world isn’t going back to it, so you can spend your life in misery and depression and frustration or you can learn to accept reality and prosper in this new age.

        Hell, nothing has even changed. Women were just as susceptible to Hypergamy in the 1940s as they are now…except in the 1940s their opportunities and circumstances were different. Their opportunities were less because the world wasn’t connected via the Internet, texting, cheap travel, etc. so all they had available were a handful of men in the small town around them, and their circumstances carried far more consequence for infidelity because monogamy and marriage were so strictly enforced by society and promiscuity was so shunned and men “owned” women and women relied on their husbands to provide for them, so there were immediate and severe consequences to cheating.

        But if you could go back to the 1940s and provide more opportunity and remove all the judgement and consequence etc. from their circumstances, they would fuck around just like girls these days do.

        This is PURE LOGIC. Occam’s razor. Either human beings work the same and we all laugh when we’re happy and cry when we’re sad, or there is a magical subset of people who, despite living in the exact same cultural environment as everyone else, just somehow magically work different.

        @martin
        “Why bother even spending time in speed seduction? You might as well just move on to raping her and game her at the same time as the rape, it would be quicker that way and she wouldn’t report it.”

        Because it’s fun and we like women.

        @Ronin
        “As skilled and as generous as he is with his time and wisdom, I find @YaReally’s bit here more demoralizing than uplifting.”

        The red pill tastes terrible going down. There’s a reason most of society won’t even acknowledge it exists let alone try to digest it.

        “Rather than love, than money, than fame, give me truth.” – Thoreau

        “to hide a lack of morals.”

        This is an empty moral judgement on your end and is irrelevant in the same way saying “learning to box is bad because hurting someone is wrong so if you learn how to throw a proper punch you have a lack of morals because you clearly want to hurt someone”. It’s ignoring context, intent and agency.

        “What Ya says here is almost a theory”

        Again this is not theory. This is field experience. Compiled by hundreds of thousands of PUAs over the last 10+ years comparing notes and finding commonalities and testing and re-testing the concepts and finding consistent results.

        What people who comment on what I write, who haven’t been going out and sarging regularly and purposely challenging their limiting beliefs, are doing is theorizing. And the people who haven’t been going out and sarging regularly and purposely challenging their limiting beliefs, and disagree with me are doing, is coming up with incorrect theories that are disproven by field experience…even if that makes them feel “icky” or “demoralized”.

        The truth doesn’t care if it makes you sad.

        “Just because a seasoned-player Can bang-out a “good” girl with near the same speed as a slut, doesn’t necessarily make the manipulation any more moral.”

        You are the one bringing moral judgements into this.

        Again, this is like boxing. If you take boxing lessons, the boxing itself is not moral or immoral, it is a TOOL. How you USE that boxing, by either using it to bully and rob people or by using it to defend and protect your loved ones, is where morality comes into play.

        We are teaching boxing. We try to teach you to use it only for self-defence, but you are an autonomous being free to choose what you do with that boxing knowledge. It’s not our fault if you use it to punch a retarded child to rob him of his lunch money. And it’s not the fault of the boxing tools themselves. That’s your moral decision on how to use those tools and your morals are decided by you and your culture/religion/upbringing/social influences/etc.

        Replace boxing with marketing (using your skills to sell a shitty product swindling old people out of their retirement money or using those skills to show people the wonders of your new product that will improve their lives is your moral decision), or selling alcohol (drinking a bit to loosen up and have fun or getting blackout wasted to forget about your life and abuse the people around you is your moral decision).

        “It seems a question of Can Vs. Should, and powerful weapons in the hands of the immoral.”

        With great power comes great responsibility, just like they told us in Spider-Man.

        The difference is that I understand that guys WILL do stupid “immoral” shit. There are like 3.5 billion of them on Earth, a portion of them are going to half-ass this skillset and trigger a bunch of Buyer’s Remorse in the girls they hook up.

        All I’m doing is saying “I won’t judge whether you do it or not, that’s not my place, but if you ARE going to do that, then here’s how to minimize the damage/consequences from doing that and do it properly.”

        I try to encourage guys to use these tools for good, but I’m not their babysitter, they are responsible for their “moral” choices.

        “And sending a comfort text after the Egg McMuffin doesn’t make it less of a Pump ‘n’ Dump.”

        If a guy is already pump ‘n dumping girls and is noticing that he’s hurting them, then being told that sending them a comfort text and treating them to an Egg McMuffin (I use coupons lol) is teaching them the tools to minimize the damage they’re already doing.

        “The problem with the “PUA can PU any-chick, so they’re all the same.”-meme”

        What we’re saying is that you calibrate your game to the girl and just do the least work required to get them. You don’t game them all the exact same way, you put out feelers and figure out what they need to feel comfortable and what their objections are, and handle those things in an efficient manner. Each girl will be slightly different, and some will be dramatically different, but they will ALL respond to certain core stimulus like finding confidence attractive. Pickup is about calibrating and figuring out how to convey those core universally attractive traits quickly and efficiently.

        What anti-gamers do is build up a strawman stereotype of PUAs as claiming that every girl will hear “Who do you think lies more men or women?” and “your nose wiggles when you talk” and will instantly go “FUCK ME IN THE BATHROOM NOW!!!!!” We don’t claim that at all (except in over-the-top marketing to get people’s attention and from scammers…legit PUAs will tell you the reality of what to expect).

        “Sex addiction, defining the self too much through dating+sex, running from some other psych issue,…”

        bla bla bla more empty moralizing judgement. “Your values aren’t the same as mine so you must be damaged”. No, maybe I just think your values are incorrect.

        “Even though you Can bang-out a “good” girl and pull all those levers, & overcome all that resistance, that fast,”

        That’s what we’re debating.

        “Should you?”

        Irrelevant. This is you bringing morality into a discussion about tools. This is the same as you saying “Even though you CAN throw a hook punch that knocks someone out…SHOULD you??? Why aren’t all of you guys on this boxing forum discussing the morality of knocking someone out!! What do you mean self-defense?? What’s context? I don’t understand!! You must all be violent and damaged inside!!”

        I’m not trying to be a dick to you, even though a lot of this is going to come off as harsh. You have to understand that you are having a different conversation from the one that we’re having.

        “I guess I find myself wishing there were more of a “Gentleman Operative”-type of ethos about the community, that many options were passed-on just because it was ultimately more beneficial to everyone, like “Governing Dynamics”, from A Beautiful Mind. Just putting good karma out there, or Pickup Podcast’s “Mutual Value Escalation”.”

        What you do with the tools is your choice. I encourage guys to use their game to spread good value but that doesn’t mean I’ll duck my head in the sand on more controversial topics because guys are still going to go out and DO those controversial things and I’d rather equip them with the tools to do them in the least damaging way instead of covering my ears and ignoring them.

        Don’t wait for other people to tell you what your morals and values are. Figure them out for yourself. If something feels good to you, keep doing it, if it feels bad to you, stop doing it. Women run on emotions so they need other people to keep them in check, like children, but men run on logic so we’re able to show restraint.

        I have my own set of morals/values that I don’t cross, based on my own experiences. Here are a few of my “morals”:

        – I turn virgins down even when they ASK me to fuck them, because I don’t want to be their first sexual experience. I know I won’t be with them for long and that as virgins they’re likely to build a huge attachment to their first guy, and will be more likely to feel hard abandonment when I move on, so I wish them the best and stay away from them entirely. As soon as I find out a girl is a virgin I bail on the interaction or sabotage it on purpose.

        – I don’t bang girls my buddies are into. I COULD, pretty easily most of the time, but that crosses my personal moral boundaries so I don’t even flirt with them and instead I purposely talk my buddies up and try to make them look as high-value as possible (so their girl’s Hypergamy will view them as the top dog).

        – I don’t hookup with girls I don’t legitimately like. If a girl is in my bedroom it’s because there’s something about her that I like, beyond her looks. And if I see a girl multiple times, even in a causal fuckbuddy relationship, it’s because I care about her and she knows and feels that. That’s why girls I stop seeing don’t hate me, because they know they meant something to me even if it was for a short period of time.

        – “Leave her better than you found her.” One of the oldest rules in PUA and I always try to follow it, whether other guys do or don’t. If I think I’ll her worse off, then I don’t pursue her. I’ve passed up a handful of girls I would’ve loved to bang just because I felt it would ultimately damage them or cause too many conseqeunces in their life.

        And the list goes on and on. I have morals, they just aren’t YOUR morals. And whether I would do something or not doesn’t mean that if I know someone else is doing it, I’m not going to try to teach them how to do it in the least damaging way possible.

        “And I mean these as more general thoughts than a targeted-personal-attack.”

        I do as well. Your post represents the feelings of a lot of anti-game people, so I’m just deconstructing it in general. Who you are and what you do isn’t really relevant to me in this discussion. All I care about is where your points/judgements are off-base or misrepresenting what game is.

        “If it were, we’d All be in jail…”

        If your child were starving to death and the only way to keep him alive was to steal a loaf of bread from a massive pile of loaves of bread with no one around and no negative consequences for it, you would do it, even if you wouldn’t steal a loaf of bread today or would never think you would. Opportunity and circumstance.

        You may need a more convenient opportunity than the thug-life guy who keeps getting thrown back in jail, and you may need more reassurance that there won’t be any negative consequences to feel comfortable/rationalize doing it, but if I use my tools while we interact to find out exactly what opportunity and circumstance I need to provide for you to not even just be comfortable doing it but to actively WANT to do it, you’ll do it. Because at the core you are the same as that thug-life dude, you just haven’t been in the right opportunity/circumstance (which will be different from his opportunity/circumstance).

        Ignore emotional arguments and moral judgements and boil it down to the core 1s and 0s and we’re all the same.

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      • “partly this may be because chaste girls simply avoid situations where players prey”

        This is the key right here. You have to, er, “lock your fucking body up,” so to speak 😉 The prettier you are, the harder this is, and the more merit is in your successful achievement. The difference between a chaste and unchaste girl is the opportunity she (or others) allow herself. If you’ve got fathers/uncles/brothers/friends effectively guarding you, its a lot less work for you. But the modern woman has been “freed” from a lot of these constraints and now she struggles alone to control herself. I suspect Amy is here for a reason similar to mine. She is far safer here than anywhere else, sitting by the crackling fire of truth with a group of people that will not let her go astray. She knows she is not biologically different than other women, but she does have something many other women do not: a willingness and an ability to impose limits on her own “freedom.”

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      • “quantity matters.”

        this.

        bragging about bedding some lib city slit an hour after meeting her on tinder is painful to read. picking low hanging fruit is not game. cracking an open safe is not game. she opened her legs for you and she’ll do it for the next guy and the guy after that and 30 more after that until she hits the wall chains her beta and starts house shopping.

        following a path that another man made is easy. forging the path is another matter entirely.

        you didn’t see the sultans warlords and tyrants of old keeping harems of used up sluts. their palaces were filled instead with VIRGINS guarded by eunuchs.

        the only count that matters is virgin count. everything else is sloppy seconds.

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      • @YaReally

        “i never thought I’d see the day the comment section was overrun by Zombie Shane’s twitter blurbs and Amy’s hamstering. How long was I gone for?? It’s like I came back to the Twilight Zone.”

        I miss the little community we had going here with Ya leading the charge. Immoralgables’s not around much, I still pop in for Scray’s, Kant’s, Wala’s, Reco’s…

        But it’s forced me to focus on improving my game and going out, so not a total loss.

        In terms of results, no lays since Vegas due to inner game issues. AlphaWing has turned out to be a double edged sword. He gives great advice (encourages you to go approach mixed sets, sits with girls eating food after the bars close and try to pull em, etc.), and I’ve learned A LOT. But he judges me if I don’t approach correctly or with enough intent (stifling me as a result). And then he’ll lecture me for hours on racism (with sprinkles of game) etc. which yeah, boohoo, it’s bad but not really my concern at the moment. I know he’s trying to help but his perception of me as this guy who needs help is not who I am anymore. I’m not that bad at all…

        But when you’re out with a wing and you’re talking to each other more than girls, there’s a problem 🙂 One Sunday ago, we go out from 11pm – 3am. I approach one chick, he approaches 3. The rest of the time was spent talking about how I don’t have goals and I need a goal and I’m not solid and blah blah blah when you’re my age you’ll be this (he’s in his 30s) and that and the other thing. This is just how our convos went.

        Went to industry night a couple times, haven’t talked to anyone yet, but neither has he, which is a bit annoying. I’m not really sure why he doesn’t because he’s IN the industry and I’m not, so he should be able to approach these dudes/girls. Next time I go, I’ll approach.

        So his criticisms sort of messed me up for a while (am I not sexual enough???) and then watching my infield footage warped my self perception and I got me working on down-talking and tonality.

        Sigh, wingmen. Who knew finding one that works well with you would be so difficult? From the psycho Russian one to this Alpha guy (black), I’ve met quite a lot, each with their own faults/drawbacks and advantages.

        Don’t get me wrong, AlphaWing’s great… he just talks too much when I’m around him. And then he’ll text me saying he got laid doing some crazy shit that I’ve never even seen him do (in person).

        In reality, I should be able to handle that, and I will ultimately… but I’m gonna have to ignore his advice for a while.

        Anyway, got off track. Main point of this comment is advocating for more discussion and break down of FRs for those of us who go out. Really glad you’re back Ya!

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      • Good god Yareally, you must live and breathe this stuff. I honestly can’t fathom how you find the time and circumstances to engage with so many women.
        Anyway I don’t really mind Amy posting here, she’s nice enough and doesn’t shitpost at Zombie Shane rates. However, she is a classic case of “the lady doth protest too much”. A “chaste” girl who is happy in her relationship doesn’t comment on blogs where men discuss how to seduce women. And Yareally is absolutely correct, any girl will fuck any guy who pushes the right buttons. I commented earlier that LTRs are just a smokescreen for women, they really have no respect for them outside of what kind of attention and resources she can milk from the subject.

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      • @yareally is on point as usual, he explains this much better than my ramblings can. But hey, whatever help you guys sleep at night. You guys sure make it easier for me to do what I do

        Notch number six for this month last night, petite 95 pounds, college aged hb8, with one of those really young innocent looking faces I love. Banged her within an hour of meeting as usual. But she would have made you guys wait five dates for sex, because if you think she’s an innocent angel, that’s how she’s going to act around you

        For the record we talked afterward, made a genuine connection, it was cute. Fucked again late night and this morning. Can’t wait to make her a regular, she’s really sweet.

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      • @Will

        I went to an ivy league school, and still live a five minute walk from there. All I have to do to get a new girl to bang any given day is walk down the street to campus, pick one and walk her back to my apartment.

        But again, hey, whatever helps you sleep at night…

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      • YaReally-

        You are acting as if the red pill is new and that a decade ago, men suddenly were able to finally understand women after being repressed. Clearly history shows that people had an interest in controlling female sexuality to some extent, the red pill is not new per se. Rampant promiscuity was probably common a long time ago. You are promoting a very old worldview.

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      • “All I have to do to get a new girl to bang any given day is walk down the street to campus, pick one and walk her back to my apartment.”

        not just cool story. super mega outta this world liquid nitrogen frozen cold cool story. a massive shift from your spend lots of cash on them and wait around until they’re drunk enough to give you a pitty fuck beta orbiter game from a few months ago. next stop for your “girls” after beaner bopping is coal burning. nothing says quality like spreading in an hour for mestizos and naggers. so cool you’re at 0 kelvin.

        “I turn virgins down even when they ASK me to fuck them, because I don’t want to be their first sexual experience.”

        so cool this actually registers at below absolute zero. these virgins are as real as the 72 awaiting the moslems in heaven.

        next thing we’ll find out is ya’s a chinese.

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      • @amy
        “Don’t we hear you say you can’t game a girl who is really into her boyfriend? Who thinks her guy is the biggest alpha in the room? Hmmmm. I thought all girls were sluts in the right circumstances. So what’s the problem there? Please, enlighten us.”

        …ffs. Let me break it down step by step for you:

        Circumstance: being hungry
        Response: eating

        “If that’s true then how come when you aren’t hungry you don’t eat???”

        Because not being hungry means the circumstance that results in eating is not being provided. If that circumstance of being hungry is provided the response of eating will follow.

        Circumstance: me demonstrating higher value than her man and removing all consequences
        Response: fucking me

        “How come when you don’t demonstrate higher value than her man and remove all consequences she doesn’t fuck you???”

        Because not being able to demonstrate higher value than her man and remove all consequences means the circumstance that results in her fucking me is not being provided. If the circumstance of me demonstrating higher value than her man and removing all consequences is provided, the response of her fucking me will follow.

        Trying to explain logic to women is the most surreal shit in the universe.

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      • on September 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm Pijama Wearing Ninja

        @yareally, I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact that the right game at the right time will get any woman into one’s bed. I’m sure there are plenty of virgins who lost their virginity on the first night of meeting a guy despite wanting to save themselves for their wedding night. Just because most women aren’t looking to have casual sex on a regular basis with a variety of different men doesn’t mean they’re not willing to do so if the right men are there to get them on their backs.

        In sperg speak, imagine making a scatter plot with women ranked by impulsiveness on the 0x axis and selectiveness(i.e. difficulty of making them feel attraction) on the 0y axis. The first quadrant will have women who are looking to have casual sex on a regular basis with alpha men only, the second quadrant will have women who are sluts/easy, the third quadrant will contain the women who feel attracted easily, but who are able to control themselves(I don’t know any that would be here) and the fourth one would contain the good girls, girls that can control their impulses and not let themselves be seduced and who fancy only quality men. Of course, they’re human and that means they’re lust after sex too and often they will fail and fuck a guy or two they shouldn’t have fucked(since I made a prescriptive statement, I based it on their ethical system). There’s still a difference between these women.

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      • @kant there’s mo way to end this ha. I believe it is capable to hook up with a girl within 2 hours although this might not happen every approach.
        I know that you are full of shit “fucking hot Ivy League girls” because I had a buddy on a top 25 college basketball team that I lived with IN A FRAT. Where we had like 3 parties every week for a year. Not even he was doing this with ease and this was at a very big school. He was good looking and had game.

        A) you watch too much porn
        B) you’re full of shit
        C) your girls are lying to you
        Or d) all of the above

        I would believe you if this happened once.

        The chances of meeting a hot Columbia girl are so low in Nyc big city

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      • @Will

        You’re not getting it. I live five minutes from campus. I don’t have to look for them in the big city, they’re literally there walking around next to my apartment all day long, all I have to do is talk to them for two minutes and invite them for a drink. It’s really not rocket science.

        I got laid from frat parties in college, and I wasn’t an athlete or even in a frat (had a five minute pull into a frat bathroom once even). But it’s way easier to do it the way I do now, as they don’t have cockblocking friends who won’t let them go home with a guy at the end of the night, i.e. no one to judge them for doing what they want to do anyway.

        I don’t know why you keep bringing up porn. Personally I’m not a fan of it

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      • … You’re not getting it. I live five minutes from campus. I don’t have to look for them in the big city, they’re literally there walking around next to my apartment all day long, all I have to do is talk to them for two minutes and invite them for a drink. It’s really not rocket science….

        The type of woman who 5 minutes after meeting a complete stranger on the street will go willingly inside his apartment for “drinks” is an extremely easy girl.

        When a girl is that easy almost anyone can bed her.

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      • “The type of woman who 5 minutes after meeting a complete stranger on the street will go willingly inside his apartment for “drinks” is an extremely easy girl.

        When a girl is that easy almost anyone can bed her.”

        Absolutely.

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      • Good god is this ever like beating my head against the wall. The weeds have grown thick in this place.

        You guys (and girls) are free to believe what you like. Half of my frustration is my own fault for even engaging with people who armchair theorize.

        That’s my own bad, part of why I’ve been away is that until my recent workload kicked in I’ve been sarging hard with guys who actually regularly pick up and fuck girls and completely forgot what it’s like to discuss this with normal people who actively reject the basics.

        It’s like going from discussing space flight with NASA scientists to trying to discuss it with people who are skeptical that gravity is real. I can’t believe I even wasted time trying to explain it how did I have the patience for this before lol

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      • “Because not being able to demonstrate higher value than her man and remove all consequences means the circumstance that results in her fucking me is not being provided. If the circumstance of me demonstrating higher value than her man and removing all consequences is provided, the response of her fucking me will follow.”

        No kidding, dumbass. Thanks for proving the point. You can’t always create the circumstance that results in her fucking you. Yet you come on here and claim you CAN always create the circumstance that results in her fucking you. Do you get it now?

        Girls like me are the special little snowflakes that don’t LET you create the circumstance that results in you fucking us. We do that because we don’t want to be slutty. I’m not sure why you feel the need to fight tooth and nail on this, but whatever. Thanks for playing.

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    • @Amy

      Your ASD / hamster should get their own blog

      So let me guess, there’s a actually few times you DID fuck an alpha within an hour of meeting him but it doesn’t count / just happened / not your fault because xyz? lol

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      • “there’s a actually few times you DID fuck an alpha within an hour of meeting him”

        i can’t speak for Amy but i’m guessing there may have been a few. or maybe just one or two. that isn’t the point.

        don’t even go down the white knight road because that’s not what this is about but she said she can be just as attracted as other girls might be but she is conscious of her actions and avoids situations where she knows she might act on her attraction. men do the same thing. we don’t bang every girl we want to because we might damage friendships or impact things at work, etc.

        but even if she were to succumb to an alpha or two, that’s likely less than the girls you’re used to banging. it’s all about quantity.

        there are some girls who will fuck an alpha within an hour of meeting him one time or a “few” times and then there are girls who will do that many many times or with every alpha they meet. clearly you aren’t dealing with the first category.

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      • The simple fact that she frequents this blog reveals that she’s at least open to the possibility of getting raw dogged in a martini bar bathroom.

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      • I fucked a 29 year old married chick within three hours. Told me her friends couldn’t find out.

        Kant and Scray, telling it like it is.

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      • “So let me guess, there’s a actually few times you DID fuck an alpha within an hour of meeting him but it doesn’t count / just happened / not your fault because xyz? lol”

        I’ve made a couple bad decisions, but I have never fucked anyone within an hour of meeting them. In contrast, one of my sorority sisters had a notch count of around 50 by the time she graduated. I may not be a virginal unicorn, but there was an ocean of difference between my behavior and hers. Even though we looked similar on the outside.

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      • on September 23, 2014 at 4:56 pm Hair Slicked Back With Swag So Fresh

        @cryo

        I’m inclined to agree.

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      • @nomad. True. Closest example I can think of: I’m almost 50. A colleague’s son is dating a smoking hot 23 year old Latina. See her on the street one day and she asks me to dinner. I agree, but then cancel because I know its on and not sure if I can resist the temptation. She texts me to reschedule… I follow through and for two hours at dinner convo is highly sexual. She’s DTF, even says she needs to come up to my apartment for a glass o water before going home.

        Insanely tempting, but just couldn’t do it. Just too much potential for big problems. My impulsive side has regrets, but it would have been very dangerous.

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      • When you say that you made a few bad decisions what does it mean
        a-you did not enjoy the sex
        b- you did enjoy it,but felt guilty afterwards
        c- it was so good that you entirely lost control and swear to yourself
        that from there on you were going to wear only old underwear
        d- you lost consciousness and do not remember anything except that your
        panties were still wet the morning after

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      • This. Actually.

        I was in a frat and the slimiest girl had about 25. These are outrageous numbers but it’s like the farthest end of the bell curve. I don’t think the school I went to had a girl with 50 May e one girl I know of maybe.

        “Banging Ivy League girls” is pretty bold ha seeing as how only a handful are hot and they’re different

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      • @kant This. Comment of the Week.

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      • The problem is not Amy’s postings, the problem is you all trying to converse with her on an intellectual level like she’s a man.

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      • “slutty” = right guy, right time. But the right guy makes it the right time.

        All women are hypergamous. Nearly all (qualify it for the Aspie’s) women love sex. Women are BUILT for sex, biologically they have thousands and thousands more nerves wired to erogenous pleasure than men do, no refractory period, multiple orgasms, wave orgasms and the biggest sex organ of all – the brain – driving this on. Women can think themselves to orgasm with no physical stimulus.

        Women are also greatly concerned with pregnancy and the consequences of this, both the fear of pregnancy from a sub-par mate and the hope of pregnancy from a superior mate.

        All of game is solving the equation to hypergamy/biological drive > Fear of Pregnancy.

        This is why you CAN have situation where you meet a total stranger in a sub-optimal setting (i.e. not 1 AM at a club) and even though they are married, smart, professional [fill in adjective of a “good girl’] after less than an hour they are whispering on your ear “meet me on the roof, I am not wearing any panties”… NONE of their orbiters, female co-workers or less optimal LTR guys would ever believe it. Sadly too many young guys on this site don’t believe it either. But it is true.

        Try this, go forth, experiment. Step away from the keyboard and engage these “good girls” as a high value guy who “gets it” and report back. You will be stunned the first time it happens just like this. And never ever stunned again. The scales will finally fall from your eyes.

        All sons pay for the sins of their fathers. For post Boomer generations, we are all paying for our fathers not teaching us the true nature of women (and I mean true nature in a totally non-judgmental way) at an early age. You are now getting a reprieve (thanks internet), better listen up.

        But again, don’t believe us, TRY IT YOURSELVES!

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      • Courtesar- b.

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      • on September 24, 2014 at 10:55 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        Amy, I know a couple of girls like that. One went from virgin to 20+ in a single school year. How the heck can one do that?! My take on this is simple: in the right context, all women are slutty because they’re sexual creatures. There’s a difference between that and being generally slutty. I assume it’s an impulse control and thrill seeking issue(putting yourself in the situations to thrill seek, i.e. take in new dick), but it is what it is.

        Nobody says that only sluts can be gamed. Good girls can be gamed too. Heck, I’m sure nuns would give up their vows and jump someone’s dick if the context is right. This debate makes me feel like I’m discussing liberals who say race doesn’t exist(continuum fallacy: since good girls and slutty girls are on a continuum, there are no differences).

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      • I’m not arguing good girls can’t be gamed, or that they can’t be gamed the way sluts can be gamed. I’m not arguing good girls need to have an emotional connection to the guy before they’re comfortable having sex, or any of that other junk. I’m not even arguing good girls won’t be sexually aroused by the same stuff sluts are. We’re all the same. I’m arguing that good girls have lower counts because they try to fight against all this (fight against themselves, really) mostly by avoiding situations where the guy has an opportunity to game them into sex. It’s called good gatekeeping.

        Some women are better gatekeepers than others.

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      • I don’t even understand the resistance.

        By the principles of the manosphere, this shit has at best a glancing impact on a girl’s SMV — if her looks constitute the vast majority of that value, then a portion of what is leftover — i.e. “sluttiness” — is insignificant by design.

        If we (as many ‘red-pillers’ do) ignore these bedrock principles and just view it from a “what makes a girl slutty” standpoint, we have good reason to believe that circumstance plays at least a substantial role in the equation. And, the “genetic” part to the equation is a double-edged sword — if she’s more ‘chaste’ she’s also more likely to be a stick in the mud. So, the proposed hit to SMV has a counter-balance in the general ‘not a fun nazi’ quality novelty-seekers have.

        Last, if we view it from Amy’s standpoint, it just seems like she’s arguing about X when we’re arguing about Y. Amy is essentially saying that it’s difficult to create those circumstances for her, for whatever reason — maybe, but it fails to harm the point…when the right circumstances exist, off to the races she will go. No one is disagreeing with her about “impulse control.” But “impulse control” just has more to do with a person’s tolerance of (or predilection for) novelty. So yes, some girls will be more difficult to “game.” However, when the right circumstances exist — all girls will do what people are born to do.

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    • Third, the empathy bit. To the extent that empathy means “Better interpreters of non verbal cues,” then yes, women have us beat by a country mile. But if empathy means “putting yourself in the shoes of another so that you can understand what that person is feeling separately and apart from your own feelings,” well, I’ve never met a woman who could do that at all, let alone on the level of men. Men are the true empaths.

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      • That’s very true.

        There is also the fact women seem to have “selective” empathy.

        Women on average have lot of empathy if someone or something can pull their heart strings, if something is “endearing” like puppies or kittens, or those sad tv ads with sad looking poor colored kids starring into the camera that ask us to send money, etc etc…and for those her empathy can reach pathological intensity level and become an unhealthy obsession

        yet for the man devoted to making her happy – not necessarily a beta, he can be an alpha going trough something rough like having just lost his job – she can have absolutely no empathy as if her heart was made of stone.

        Weird creatures those women…

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      • on September 24, 2014 at 11:00 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        I have never met a woman like that either. My ex and my mother can do that, but only selectively. For example, my mother is pro-choice in an irrational way because she only empathizes with women who got pregnant in an unlucky situation etc. Everyone else involved in that situation doesn’t mean jack shit to her. I find it amusing because she’s generally a fairly conservative and rational woman. The reality though is that most men are pretty bad at empathy too.

        I’d say there are different ways of being empathetic too. For example, I’m empathetic in a logical way: I can understand the situation someone else is in, get an intuitive feeling of how their predicament affects them and come up with a good solution. I don’t really feel the pain that others feel due to their predicaments, unless they’re close to me and something serious happened(e.g. death of relatives). Which is awkward because emotional scenes in movies get to me when they’re really well done(not in the sobbing sense, but I do feel emotionally moved by them).

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    • (probably unnecessary, b/c I already said what I had-to, but…)

      @YaReally

      My bringing morality in here is not empty. Quite the reverse. I hear a lot of emptiness in some puas.

      Arguing Tools Vs. Uses sounds a lot like more dust in the air to equivocate the moral question away.

      This has nothing to do with self-defense or protecting loved-ones.

      Now that may be just an illustration, but it sounds like a canard again. Or twisting a just image to suit your a/immoral marketing purposes.

      Citing 3.5 billion guys is just conflating all human reproductive instinct with the immoral abuse of power I’m trying to address.

      coupons
      Using humor to diffuse the point about the token smooth-over doesn’t change it.

      I’m not using a strawman. I’m saying that just because a pua can bed a “good” girl as fast as a slut does not make them the same.
      Again, you’re the guy in Physics Class who could never get the difference between Potential vs. Kinetic.

      There is always some psych issue behind the motives of people who take things to extremes, esp. using moral-relativism and egalitarianism to hamsterize it.

      Yes, Exactly. That Was me bringing morality into it. And this is you tap-dancing your way around it.

      You’re still not addressing it as @CanadianFriend tried to.

      “the one -we’re- having”
      -Ah, recruiting the group against me, eh?

      “men run on logic so we’re able to show restraint.”
      Agreed. That is why all society and codes of conduct are male inventions.

      “Leave Her Better Than You Found Her”
      Honestly, this sounds like backwards-hamsterizing. But I really hope it’s possible.

      I’m not really an anti-gamer.

      Child starving to death is a silly artificial scenario.
      -Besides, if you want to do that, I’d probably just keep asking bakers in the town at 10pm when they throw everything away, just like lots of homeless people do, without stealing or mugging at-all. Or I’d move to the country, grow my own wheat & feed the kids off the land.

      We are Absolutely Not all the same. It is not all 1s and 0s. Egalitarianism is as much myth as moral-relativism. Ex: Is @CH the same as a thug? I don’t think so.

      And perhaps “everyone has their price”, in these outlandish simulations. But the exact size & type of price Does matter. It may in-fact be Everything.

      .
      Honestly, I don’t disagree with several points you make.

      And No, you do not have to explain or justify your individual code to me or any of us here.

      *I still think the Ethical question still needed to be raised. -Perhaps even regularly.

      *And I still believe the more skill a pua has, the greater his responsibility to use it ethically & not recklessly.

      *Being as much a gentleman as possible should still be encouraged.

      Nobody lives in a vacuum. Nobody is an island. All actions have consequences.

      And like I said, I really Do hope that “Leaving her better than you found her” is actually possible. I really do hope that despite the stats on notch-count vs. bonding, that puas really Can have the girl feel alright or even Great about the person they hung out with.

      Yes, I realize that some of what I’m saying is based-in Theoretical Lab-Science, not Actual Applied-Science, and that I don’t know the context, details, emotions & impacts that Really happen for you or anyone else in your real personal life.

      .
      Either way, thanks very much for the response. Your contributions are always valuable & appreciated. Though I think you and I will always disagree, I’m sorry for the more direct 1-to-1 nature of my replies; I don’t mean them to come-off personal, nasty, or haterish, as many pointy-elbow comment-threads often do.

      Cheers.

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      • very nice ..Ronin ..agree in many ways.. wish I had the patience to be as gentle but still retain your pov..

        I think its is a disintegration of working value system in society .. good stuff

        Ya thanks for the response.. Im 53 come from a blue collar family havent worked for someone since 29 havent worked for need of money since 35.. have lived in more than 8 countries .. travelled to more than 20 ..and have had as many varieties, types, levels of women .. than a healthy guy could imagine

        obviously you are a big wheel here..realise you may have a different pov when you are 50 looking back.. and you have made urself a leader here ..so that is a responsibility.. the film dangerous liaisons comes to mind.. Valmont was a failure, fool and a parasite.. there is much more to a man’s life than fucking

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      • ps
        Valmont was a failure, fool and a parasite.. there is much more to a man’s life than fucking and playing with people for amusement or desires or whatever empty place drives that is certainly not the highest best use of an accomplished man’s talents.. women and bedding them are a by product true power

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      • “there is much more to a man’s life than fucking and playing with people for amusement or desires or whatever empty place drives that is certainly not the highest best use of an accomplished man’s talents”

        THIS

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  9. on September 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm What does it do

    study after study is released, cure after cure is discovered, and yet nothing really changes in the world. history is your proof. so we’re all just basically playing a game of perpetual musical chairs, but there’s no end-game (win) in sight.

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  10. Ok, listen up whitey; Ive got good news and bad nooz.

    The good news is Obama is bombing brown people AGAIN.

    The bad news is he is using your pension money to pay for it.

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  11. Pretty much. (Indeed, see this glorious exchange from today.)

    The only caveat I have is that much of the evidence for sex differences in behavior comes from NW Euro societies and their derivatives. They maybe quite different in other parts of the world. Indeed recent study (which I haven’t read yet) looking across the globe found that there is quite a bit of variation in sex differences from place to place.

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    • Do you know basic statistics, like the effects at the tails of bell curves?

      Rhetorical. If he understood that, you wouldn’t be having that conversation.

      The “and we pick our CEO’s from this part of the Bell Curve” conversation usually goes better with a spoonful of pointing out that most of the homeless, most of the people in prison, and most of the people in mental institutions are male, too. “They come from this part of the Bell Curve” on the other side.

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      • As a shrill obnoxious femiwitch yenta, I demand EQUALITY. I will whine and nag and whine and nag and whine and nag and whine and nag and whine and nag until I get the following:

        1) at least 40% female homeless
        2) at least 40% female prisoners
        3) at least 40% female mental patients

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  12. In my experience:

    [Women] are thus better at remembering family history …

    Yes, not just ‘better’ but ‘fantastically better’. However:

    …and where they left the car keys

    No No NO NO NO!

    And it’s not just my wife’s inability that makes me say this; I know so many women who have trouble with this sort of thing. I suspect the difference is related to that earlier point about writing: “while men referred more to the properties of objects and impersonal topics, women used more words related to psychological and social topics.

    The keys and their location is “objects and personal topics”; family history is “social topics”.

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 9:53 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      I found this odd too because my girls have been awful at finding their car keys. Heck, even in the first episode of Seinfeld they make fun of this.

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  13. Oops, that last sentence should read “… objects and IMpersonal topics”.

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  14. The need for a more emotional attachment found in women must also have an evolutionary basis

    It’s an evolutionary adaptation to the needs of childrearing.

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  15. The need for a more emotional attachment found in women must also have an evolutionary basis

    It’s an evolutionary adaptation to the needs of childrearing.

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  16. Not sure if this got linked at all – classic Wall Hitting complete with 1,000 cock stare

    http://www.xojane.com/sex/30-is-the-new-50-old-age-is-killing-my-dating-life

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    • The poor girl seems to genuinely believe that the things which attract her to a man (successful, pressing, striving, opinionated, powerful etc) are just the same things that will attract a man to her.

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    • JESUS H CHRIST CH TELL ME YOU CAUGHT THIS.

      We have found the hamster homeland. It is the comments section of that article.

      Particularly the girl that says “this is why I am glad I got marraige and kids out of my system early. Of course we divorced soon after”

      Fucking hell. I never comment and I’ve been reading 5-6 of you guys religiously for a year. This is the worst thing I have ever seen. You can SEE THE FUCKING HAMSTER. It is real.

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 9:41 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “But I’m starting to feel that a 30-year-old woman might as well be a 40-year-old-man, though infinitely less desirable, culturally speaking.”
      More like biologically speaking. lol. What’s amusing is that me and my friends already know we will have a lot of fun with women like this when we will be in our 30s, just like they did when all of us were teenagers.

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  17. A big difference in where sexual arousal originates imo in men it is mostly physical and hasn’t evolved much …in women it is emotional / imaginative and is more easily played with from external input for men not so ..the drive source doesn’t change

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  18. Humour, behaviour, systemise, empathising … quite a few non-American spellings in this post. What gives?

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  19. Wolpert’s last book had to be withdrawn by reason of plagiarism. If my memory serves me he is a male feminist and holohoax believer.

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  20. Hrm,…

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  21. on September 23, 2014 at 3:50 pm Charlesz Martel

    The amazing thing about this sort of research is how far back it goes, and is still ignored by the “Lords of Lies”. Look up the book “Sex and the Brain”, written in 1980. Or “Brain Sex” from a couple years later. In 1975 I wrote a paper using Scientific American off-prints as my primary reference material. There were lots of studies going back to the 1930’s on differences between the sexes and races. I used to argue with Femicunts in college and high school, quoting these sources. It simply didn’t matter. Liberalism is a religion, and feminism is gospel truth to these ignorant fools. How many people’s lives they mess up mean nothing to these worms.
    Eventually, one would think they would wake up. I suppose they will, when it’s too late to matter to me. And yet, we have the nerve to talk about how the Soviets squashed dissent! Unreal.
    I had a conversation with a man who runs a PR firm for television personalities this weekend. Extremely liberal by default. Logic cannot penetrate this sort of mind- it responds only to fear of losing face and status. When I pointed out that the true obscenity is not a Paula Deen using the word “nigger” to describe a scumbag who put a gun in her face 30 years ago, but rather our President arm-in-arm with Al Sharpton, whose pogrom caused seven innocent people to burn to death in Freddie’s Fashion Mart, his response was that if you say the n-word you would never have a media career.
    http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/03/when-al-sharpton-incited-massacre-at.html?m=1

    When the revolution comes, and it will, I hope to also be ….poolside. In a safe, majority-white country.

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    • If you can’t use the word nigger when a nigger sticks a gun in your face, when can you use it?

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 2:08 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      As someone who lives in a formerly communist country, I’d say I find the informal way of treating dissidents that America and the West have to be more worthy of contempt than what the communists did.

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  22. @Junior
    Saw your question a while back, planning to write some shit about building social circles at 30+, I’ll tag your name at the top of it like this when I do.

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    • super appreciated. Went over the stuff you posted in response to the 38yr old chap sometime back – ticked all the boxes & now have a plan of action that I’m tackling, but would highly value anything else you think’s relevant.

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      • @Junior
        Good on you for taking action. I forgot I wrote that, most of what I’d say would just be rehashing that.

        So to answer a few specific points:

        – at 30+ your buddies are probably all dead weight. They’re either married or taken, or feel too old to be at a bar talking to hot girls, or they’ve solidified 30 years of shitty limiting beliefs and are just going to hold you back or bring your energy down. If they’re co-workers they’re going to make your work life dramatic telling stories about your bar adventures. Either learn to enjoy solo game or befriend younger dudes.

        A lot of my bar buddies have been in their mid-20s because even though I’m “the old man” compared to them, they bring the energy to want to go out a lot and I bring the game experience to spread value (introducing random girls to them, being positive and upbeat, approaching first and getting shot down in front of them to set the tone that it’s okay to talk to girls and embarrass ourselves) and make sure we all have a fun night. So I give value to them and they give value to me.

        – If I’m sticking to solo, I’ll go to the bar early and stand/sit at the bar with a beer and chat with the bartenders/waitresses and build myself some social proof, especially at younger environments where I know I’m probably going to look out of place. If the bartender seems to know me then I look like I must be some cool older buddy of his, maybe a bartender somewhere else, just in to shoot the shit, instead of an old dude on the prowl for young poon…but the only difference between those two is that I arrived at 9:30-10 when the place was empty and sat with a beer and having a chat, instead of arriving at 11 when the meat market has rolled in and that same bartender is running his ass off.

        Do that a few weeks in a row, and practice your Juggler style rapport building on them to where they feel like you really have a connection and you’re a cool guy to them, and you’ve got built-in social proof there until that guy quits. You can often use that social proof to work your way into knowing the other staff there, and next thing you know you’re walking into that “nightclub full of girls who are too young for us” that your buddies and co-workers don’t want to go to, shaking bouncer and bartender hands and having waitresses and shooter girls run up to hug you and flirt. The difference in how your night goes is pretty dramatic and it didn’t cost you anything except going a bit earlier than you normally would and making an effort to build some rapport with the staff WHO’S JOB IT IS TO BE NICE TO YOU AND WELCOME YOUR CONVERSATION. lol It’s like cheating and playing on Easy Mode.

        – To befriend guys, just introduce random girls to them. Doesn’t matter if you know the girls, doesn’t matter if you’ve chatted with the guys for a bit first or not, doesn’t matter if you know the guy’s name, doesn’t matter if he completely bombs it or the girl isn’t into him…all that guys see is “OMG I WAS STANDING HERE WITH NO CHANCE AT PUSSY AND THEN THIS GUY MADE IT SO I HAD THE MOST REMOTE TINY CHANCE OF PUSSY!!! **THIS MAN IS A GOD!!!**” and they want to be your BFF.

        A lot of times I’ll just be talking with a dude about whatever, and as I see some girls coming by I’ll interrupt him and say “Yo what’s your name again dude?” “huh? Bob…” “HEY. Girls. Come here, this is my buddy Bob. Bob this is Amanda.” Everyone’s confused for a few seconds and it probably won’t go anywhere, but to that guy I offer value and he wants more of it. And if he DOES do okay with it and I can wingman him and we run a decent set together, then he REALLY wants to hang with me again. It’s just offering value in the way that I know how to offer value.

        Again, it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t go well…so don’t think “oh I have to be amazing with girls first to pull that off.” Even if I go “HEY! Girls, this is my buddy Bob.” and they sneer at me and turn their backs and say “ugh go away!” as long as I turn to Bob and joke “shit, no love tonight lol Must be lesbians!” like no fucks are given, then he lols and still loves me for trying.

        – If you’re solo, try hitting a lower energy venue like a pub/bar VS a nightclub and post up with a beer at the bar and just cheers ANYTHING that orders a drink beside you. Whether it’s a hot girl or a group of dudes or some old guy sitting on the bar stool drinking by himself, just get used to chatting up whoever’s around you. If you pick a pub/bar that you know will have random younger people partying in it (like a pub downtown on a Fri/Sat night VS a pub on the outskirts of town with just 3 old dudes in it and they’re all regulars who know eachother), you’ll have girls and guys coming up beside you to order drinks all night. At some point if the place gets busy enough the staff will ask you to stand so they can take the bar stools away but by then you should have opened a handful of sets and can re-open the receptive ones with “they took my stool away :(” and see what you can work from there.

        As for why I don’t personally want to run social circle game right now with my circumstances, there are a lot of benefits to social circles but also downsides.

        Some downsides:

        – having to rally people up to meet up and go out…this can be a lot of work depending on the people and how well they know eachother and what their schedules are like and what their favorite bars/clubs are and what time they like to start up at etc. It can be stressful trying to get a group of people together all wearing dress shoes to get into a high-end club by 9:30pm before the line starts or to avoid cover and avoid having to listen to people complain about paying cover.

        – having to maintain relationships. When you’ve partied together for a while, you can let relationships die down a bit and still get invites or invite people to stuff and have them show up. But if you start building a social circle and you’re a couple weeks in but then life shit happens and you can’t go out for a few months and you aren’t able to meet up face to face and you slack off on keeping up txt convos, those people don’t have enough invested with you to make a massive effort to keep your relationship going so you’ll lose touch with them and be starting over from scratch a few months later when you start going out again…most of them will be happy to see you again, but some of those people won’t even be going out anymore.

        – social circle drama. You let girls into the group and it is going to be an orgy of drama with people developing crushes and hooking up and stealing girls from eachother and cheating on eachother and all sorts of shit that can get old fast.

        – babysitting. Good lord. Girls are the worst for this but even guys need babysitting now and then. From diffusing drunken fights with random people at the bar, to making sure your buddy who doesn’t know how to hold his liquor gets into a cab to get home safely when he can’t even stand up and you think he might’ve been kicked out by the bouncers 20 minutes ago, to retarded drunk girls who chat up homeless dudes and talk shit picking fights and slapping/tooling guys or get so wasted they just cry in the middle of the street and all the white knights around look at you like you’re the one who made her cry and if they save her they’ll get the pussy, or drunk girls who are so stubborn and “can’t EVEN!!!” that they’ve decided to walk home through a dark alleyway in their barefeet wearing a slutty skirt too wasted to stand up straight, etc. etc.

        I like to make sure everyone gets home safe & sound, so I invest way more energy into babysitting than I probably need to. But if you hosted things, and especially if you have people crashing at your place after the bar, this can be a nightmare. At 30+ I just don’t feel like dealing with this shit lol

        – if you want to maintain a healthy lifestyle and productively sarge, it can be difficult if you build a social circle of party people. Because most guys’ plan of attack is to pre-game early and drink as much as possible to save money at the bar and get wasted enough to shut their brain off so they can be more social and drunkenly slur through a conversation with girls after arriving at the bar when it’s already busy (and the girls are wasted and the guys all have their liquid courage so it’s a lot harder to sarge than it would’ve been an hour earlier when the guys were all chickenshit and the girls were sober) because they don’t want to risk going too early and standing out.

        If you’re the type of guy who’s trying to stay sober(ish) and sharp, so you’re fully coherent in your interactions and actively approach girls, which as a 30+yo guy is something you should be working toward because our bodies go to shit after 30 and getting blitzed wasted every night out is a lot harder to recover from, then hanging around a social circle of party people can sabotage a lot of your goals.

        You may have FUN, but that lineup of jagerbombs your 25yo buddy bought everyone as soon as you walked into the bar at midnight is probably going to translate to drunkenly opening a set or two, stumbling your way through it, and then not remembering half of the interaction the next morning and regretting wasting the night and a bunch of money on drinks.

        That’s not even bringing up the late-night pre-bar/after-bar greasy food that if you’re taking care of your health you might not want to put in your body but everyone wants to order pizza or hit the 24hr afterbar restaurant and you don’t want to just order a water and sit there (not to mention having to pitch in $ for the food you didn’t even want in the first place if you all order as a group). Ya, you can just hold your frame, but that’s a lot to ask from a guy who’s just starting to go out and learning to hold his frame in the first place.

        Whereas if you had gone out sober, you might not even open more than a couple sets, but you’ll at least do it fairly sober and coherent and not waste a bunch of money and sabotage your health to do it. Opening 3 sets of hot girls will give you the same buzz/high as having a few beers.

        So then you end up in the situ where you realize “partying” isn’t that productive for learning game efficiently, but you can’t turn down drinks for fear of seeming like a downer when you’re sitting there having the predrink for an hour or two, and everyone wants to goad you into getting wasted like them so they feel better about doing it themselves (’cause if you had success while stone cold sober and they never have then they’d have to admit that they’ve “failed” in life by not being able to succeed like you, so they want to keep you down at their level crabs in a bucket style), and it’s just a lot of hassle. It’s easier to manage if you’re the one who shows up at the bar where they all are, VS hosting the predrink yourself, but even then you’re in for a lot of pushing and goading and guilt tripping that makes you feel like an outsider.

        – and if you’ve decided you don’t want to hang with them, either because you no longer find hanging with them to be productive for achieving your goals, or because say you have work stuff to focus on or general life shit to deal with, you have to turn down a dozen txts goading you trying to get you to come out which can make focusing on your work difficult. You can’t just “turn off” a social circle like a light switch, they’re going to be there and try to get you to join them even if it’s ultimately detrimental to your personal goals because they’re thinking about what THEY want which is wanting you there being fun with them.

        So ya, there are downsides to consider with social circles lol Personally I prefer very carefully selecting one or two buddies with game, whether I’ve just met them or we go way back, who have positive attitudes, who are outgoing and social, who want to approach girls and try to get laid, and who don’t get shitfaced wasted and respect when I’m setting personal goes like trying to cut back on drinking or spending money or approaching certain sets or need to leave early so I can work the next day etc.

        But that shit can be hard to find and take a while to set up…which is why I’m totally okay with being solo until I find the right guys to roll with. If you’re just starting out, quality over quantity can be fine, as long as it gets you out of the house…you can try weeding out the low quality ones later or merge or “trade up” to a different social circle once you’re out there. Like you might befriend some guys who aren’t good with girls and who party too hard at first, but they go out all the time so that gets you out of the house and when you’re out you chat up other dudes who fit what you’re looking for better (#nohomo lol) and ease up on hanging with the party guys so much and start hanging with the other dudes more, and build an optimal social circle over time.

        When you’re new, whatever gets you out of the house helps. You just want to rack up massive field experience at the start lol So if you can consistently go out solo then do that, if you need people to go out with you then find them and always be working toward a bigger goal with it.

        A lot of this can be countered by being very selective on who you let into your social circle, but that means that it’ll take a lot longer to build one up and you’ll have to figure out ways to avoid the loser buddies/girls of people you want to hang out with (ie – I want to party with you ’cause you know how to hold your liquor and you’re upbeat and positive and we wing good together, but you always bring your 400lbs annoying feminist fat chick friend with you and a dude who chugs half a bottle of tequila at the pre-game and is picking fights before we even get to the bar).

        But when you cultivate a solid social circle of just the QUALITY people, it can be pretty sweet and worth the effort.

        The biggest key to remember is to offer value AND to *EXPECT* value in return. If someone is just taking value, and you’ll find a TON of these guys, my buddy and I call them vultures, ask yourself what value they’re giving you. Like a common scenario is that buddies I’ve just met will bust into my sets because they’re too scared to open, so they’ll wait for me to open a girl and then barge in and try to take the girl’s attention or just fuck the set up because they interrupted my shit and they’re my buddy so I’m not going to get rid of them the way I would with a normal AMOG I don’t know ’cause I don’t want them butthurt at me.

        So the end result is that these guys want to hang with me constantly because I’m the ticket to chances at pussy for them, and on top of that I’m always upbeat and positive and bring a good vibe and make sure everyone has fun and meets girls, so they’re getting a TON of value from me…but none of them makes an effort to wing me, or they actively fuck my sets up, or they have negative mindsets that bring me down when we’re out, or they get too drunk and I have to babysit, etc., and there’s a point where I have to say “Okay, they get a TON of value from me…but what value do I realistically get from THEM?”

        If the answer to that is “really, not that much, if any…in fact sometimes our relationship is just them actively TAKING value from me” then it’s time to cut them loose.

        A big part of the beta-izing culture we’re in is that we’re brought up to be people-pleasers in society today and we’re shamed and taught that we’re being selfish if we DARE expect anything from anyone. We’re raised by social conditioning and the general “for the greater good” and “a real man suffers in silence while taking care of others” shit to feel BAD expecting other people to offer us value in exchange for the value we give. So we do stupid shit like stay in relationships with girls who don’t bring anything to the table but their pussy, or we stay buddies with guys who don’t give a shit about our goals or keep us from achieving them, etc.

        It’s okay to be selfish and it’s okay to have standards that you expect other people to live up to, and it’s okay to cut people out of your life who don’t live up to your expectations. That’s FINE. Your goals and your wants are JUST as valid and important as theirs and you are the ONLY one who cares about your goals. Everyone else is concerned about what THEY want and what makes THEM happy and THEIR goals. It’s okay to be the same way. That’s how you achieve those goals.

        Also I don’t throw parties myself (though I have in the past) because I just like being the guy who shows up to them instead…much less hassle on my end. And I don’t want my shit broken or drinks spilled all over etc. But that said, I did very specifically buy a comfortable futon for people to crash on and I have glassware ice a bit of alcohol etc. and I keep my apartment clean, because I live in the middle of a major bar district so I’m able to offer the value of a warm comfortable place to pull girls to or to crash to save cab fare etc. when I’m hanging with the right people. You don’t have to throw a big Project X party to offer value…often just saving them $15 cab fare by letting them crash on your couch or having a bit of booze for if you pull girls back to your place etc. is offering plenty of value.

        Good luck. Keep at it. I’m almost mid-30s myself, plenty of us who grew up in the old community are in our 30s now, so you’re not out there alone. It’s become very socially acceptable for people to still be out at the bars at 30+, especially guys because we go up in value over time, and a lot of the young guys now are all beta-ized manginas so that’s caused a lot of younger chicks to gravitate toward older men like us.

        Remember that you’re the only one who cares if you achieve this goal. No one else does, even your own biology doesn’t care…if you’re alive and jack off to porn, your brain is like “cool mission accomplished, this dude lived long enough to blow a load”. Your brain doesn’t care if you’re married to some fat chick who doesn’t put out and hate your job and you blow your paycheque on hookers trying to feel human contact that your wife doesn’t give you…and your brain doesn’t care if you have a harem of hotties and live like Hugh Hefner.

        You are the only one who cares about your goals, understands your motivations and why they’re important to you, and you’re the only one who can take right action to ACHIEVE those goals. So mad respect just for taking the first steps toward taking control of your life.

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      • I’ll second this technique… “go to the bar early and stand/sit at the bar with a beer and chat with the bartenders/waitresses and build myself some social proof”

        and expand on it a little. Figure out the half dozen places you want to hit as your main spots and a half dozen “bounce to” type places, and a couple of restaurants all with good logistics. Hit these places hard, going early, often and slow nights. AND TIP GENEROUSLY . Seriously throwing a bartender or waitress an extra $5 on every tab for a month is money well spent. Ask the bouncer or doorman if they want a drink. Once the staff are warm to you, get a bead on the managers, once they are warm to you get a bead on the owners. Keep your outings tight to these places. Now when you go in you are wired. This same technique works great for business meetings as well, just focus more on restaurants and do the same thing… social proof for the win.

        Simple tactics and strategy tip odds in your favor.

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      • Following what Sentient just wrote about staff stuff, one thing I forget that a lot of “normal people” don’t know is that often a lot of bars/clubs/etc are owned by the same handful of people. So the owner of the kiddie nightclub also owns the 30+ crowd pub and the cougar bar to maximize the customers bringing in money. And bartenders and bouncers will often float between different venues often working at multiple venues at once or ending employment at one and starting at another etc. so that effort you invest can pay off unexpectedly.

        A new venue opened where my buddies and I knew like half the staff from other venues and it only took a couple nights there to know the other half of the staff so we dominated the newest hottest venue from day 1 skipping the line past hot girls and shaking bartender hands (and even the busboys who collect glasses etc) while everyone else was scared to be there, just because we were social with staff over the years. Waitresses float around too but I’ve found that they have so many options for making money that often they’ll try non night scene venues for a bit or change their line of work entirely. There isn’t much else a 300lbs dude who’s been dropping dumbasses on the ground for 5 years can do if he wants to work somewhere else so especially don’t be an annoyance to bouncers lol

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 2:10 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      While still a long way from that, I feel like I’m going to need this info later in life because I find most older/serious people intolerable. The rest are interesting and fascinating because they actually did shit with their lives, but most are just boring idiots working 9 to 5.

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    • @Yareally

      What about building social circles at 20+? 😉

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    • @yareally – Write a book. Monetize the archive by marrying tactical to the theoretical. Hire a ghostwriter and an editor, publish on Amazon. It would be easy. You can remain anonymous AND greatly accelerate hitting your financial goals. Authorship is equity and equity is scalable, the best financial model.

      Capital is available for this.

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    • @YaReally & @Sentient
      Gents, I can’t articulate the value you’ve put down right here. Some of this I’ve figured out over the last few months going out, & it’s solid gold to have it reenforced & added to by experienced chaps. Yup, my friends are essentially dead weight socially, but a couple of my close buds who are coupled up know I’m heading out solo to try improve my life & are actually supportive of it in a curious almost dismissive sorta way. Lost count of the number of times I’ve bailed home after opening a handful of sets solo having let the sheer social terror paralyze me, even after all sets opened well, but I’m starting to develop habits & my brain’s starting to normalize things more. Have had a few hard blow outs recently too from simply introducing myself, which I’m just coming to expect & accept as part of the deal.
      So some serious thanks for your input hey, very much appreciated.

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      • You can do well solo, it’s better than having a shitty wing.

        Just remember YOU have value. Always. A bad set doesn’t reduce it and a good set doesn’t add to it. That is validation seeking frame and it’s injurious.

        Self validate, self amuse…

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  23. If you want to keep throwing in the F-word, why don’t you pick up a book or two on the subject first?
    Biological sex differences EXIST? No shit!
    Doesn’t mean your biological differences take precedence over my biological differences.

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    • CH can answer for himself but for what it is worth,

      Then why do you want your biological difference to take precedence over ours then?

      Because you know, those Feminist books you want us to read and that you obviously agree with, most of us have read some ( I read Marilyn French, I read Erica Jung, I read Simone DeBeauvoir, need I go on? oh yeah and I tried to read some Susan Sontag but I was laughing too hard, I had to stop after a few pages) and that is what all feminists want; their biological difference to take precedence over men’s.

      But guess what? us men we already give your biological precedence over ours; when a ship is sinking or a building is on fire, it is women and children first and we jump in and go die for you. Same thing when there is war, we die by the millions to protect women.

      On average women get lighter sentences then men do for identical crimes and get acquitted more often

      In divorce court you almost always win both the money and the child custody

      you benefit from affirmative action but white males don’t

      and in the USA men pay your contraceptives trough taxes…

      need I go on?

      The whole system is built around the fact we give precedence to your biological difference over ours

      So what the fuck are you complaining about???

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  24. Does all of this mean Larry Summers can get his old job back?

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  25. We are living in a time of invisible slavery.

    The elites are amassing wealth while the middle class is vanishing rapidly.

    Feminism, tv, sports and “terrorism” are the new circuses designed to keep the masses entertained and infighting.

    Welfare is the new “bread” that keeps the masses reliant and docile.

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  26. Fun fact: men are better than women at drawing a bicycle.

    “That’s because of oppression making women less interested in mechanical stuff!” cry feminist liars. But….

    ….female ENGINEERS are worse at drawing a bicycle than male engineers.

    Uh-oh.

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  27. Good to know that the sky is still blue, the grass still green, and water is still wet and runs downhill unless pumped the other way.
    How much did this study cost?

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  28. Hi. I’ve come to this site a few times, and every time, the comments thread seems to degenerate into racism, conspiracies, and anti-semitism. Mods: Might be time to exercise some judgement and skill here, if you want actual reasoned debate. Obligatory disclaimer before I get flamed: I’m a 47 year old WASP male.

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    • Stevie J., there is NO evidence that you even deserve to comment here.
      “Actual reasoned debate”. The eructation of a post operative/androgen-suppressed prostate cancer semi-survivor.

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    • Go the fuck back to Africa

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    • In other words you Steve J are a typical Kwan.

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    • If you ever read a few posts here you would have understood that this is not place for you
      Try some of many leftist blogs but do not forget to check your privilege before
      Btw there is no moderator or anything moderate here, just reactionaries
      consequently person in charge here is called reactionater

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    • “I’ve come to this site a few times, and every time, the comments thread seems to degenerate into racism, conspiracies, and anti-semitism.”

      It’s not our fault you nigger Illuminati Kike bastards are ruining everything.

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    • “I’m a WASP”

      No you are not. When someone show up concern trolling about “racism and anti-semitism”, there’s a 98% chance they are Jewish. You are just another whiskey or thwack, lying about your ethnicity and religion. You are a Jew.

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  29. Antonov 225 = Russians still have balls = Respect.
    Every time one takes off, there are about a million + U tube hits.
    God be praised…

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  30. In defense of Zombie Shane,

    It is important to realize who is inflating the currency which does only 1 thing = make ALL of us SLAVES.

    When you realize that we are being made to be slaves, then it becomes important to wake up the cell phone addicted zombies, if that is even possible.

    anyone not showing whats going on in the economy is either ignorant or obfuscating/gas-lighting and you know WHY they would do that, don’t you.

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    • Nathan — learn to find any advantage– and then use it without mercy or restraint.. My Sainted Mother used to say, :” If you have a pretty face, use it. If you have nice tits, use that even harder.”
      She died rich and satisfied..

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  31. “ignoramus celebrity termagent”. +1000 Insufferable, priggish, upper class twit ebola.

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  32. “Hillary is next”

    Incorrect. Elizabeth Warren

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  33. All of this makes sense it explains and proves so much to guys who are just figuring it out. Good job ch.

    I’m wondering if males are natural leaders in the company of females….does this mean that males are responsible for healthy LTR initiation and monogamy initiation.

    When monogamy comes up with a girl it’s always difficult to know how to move forward or if it’s smart to do so…

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  34. How real are sex differences? Let me tell my little story.

    I got a nice lady I was banging pregnant last spring. (After initial panic, I now consider this a blessing and happy accident, but that’s not the point of the story.)

    So, we went to the maternal fetal medicine (MFM) doctor who, just twelve weeks into the pregnancy, arranged for a “cell free DNA” test. They simply drew a tiny vial of her blood and mailed it to a lab in San Diego, where they were able to extract the baby’s DNA from the mother’s blood. With the baby’s DNA isolated, they could, theoretically, sequence the genome, but they were doing something much simpler: checking for chromosonal defects and abnormalities, such as Downs Syndrome.

    So, a week after they drew a bit of her blood, the doctor calls and (as my baby mama relayed the story to me) says to her, “So the baby is totally healthy, there are no chromosonal defects or abnormalities, and you’re having a boy.”

    Just like that. This fetus was barely past the embryo stage of development, and a few labcoats in San Diego simply observed the Y chromosone and using SCIENCE knew the sex.

    A few weeks after that, we went in for the ultrasound, and, sure enough, there’s junior’s wang, poking out from between his thighs.

    Sex is genetic and is binary. You either have a Y chromosone or you have a second X chromosone. Now, there are rare genetic defects with sex just as there are genetic defects for all organs and body parts (there’s XXY and XYY), and, even more chilling than those defects, there are babies with XY who have congenital defects in the womb (onset by a variety of environmental factors, such as undernourishment or estrogen-mimicking compounds) where the penis or testes don’t fully develop and the freak “boy” has an inverted penis which is very similar to a pussy. But, again, all of these are mistakes of nature, the same way as poor souls who are born blind, or deaf, or with half-formed limbs are mistakes of nature. It is anti-biology and anti-nature to pretend that these (rare) genetic aberrations constitute proof that sex is a “social construct”, anymore than saying that somebody born deaf proves that hearing is a “social construct”.

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    • Congratulations… I suppose. Davviid

      The time to celebrate is when you get true affirmation that you are the bio-dad of a good birthing story.
      So far, from what you have said, you are not the real-life bio-dad, at all; just the socially – obligated – “dad”
      Have a nice life.

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    • Um… congratulations?

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  35. @Rum,
    Timely and fully taken.
    Thank you

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  36. […] It seems a new book comes out every week now detailing the results from scientific studies proving that ingrained biological sex differences are real, and the “social constructivism” beliefs of feminism are wrong in every way.  […]

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  37. I’m not a feminist, and I appreciate the facts you’ve presented. But why “femcunts”? Using terms like that just makes the crazy feminists sound…right.

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    • I’m not a fan of the c-word, but it’s his sandbox and he’s not referring to all women. He’s referring to militant bitches who hate men.

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    • on September 24, 2014 at 9:31 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      They might sound right to ignorant fruitcakes that are persuaded by feelings and not science. I don’t think such people are the target of this blog.

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  38. @Arbiter, ZS:

    It’s interesting to think of the JKWish folks through a Game filter. They are all about the long game for their tribe. They do everything possible with their public influences to put out the narrative that they are docile betas, when in fact, their long term “us-against-all-nonchosen-people” strategy is alpha as fuck. All peoples will do what they must to better their people’s condition, but JKW go into attack mode when one simply states this obvious, logical fact about them.

    They are, what, .5% of the American population, but have a huge over-representation in all influential aspects of our lives and culture. Let’s highlight a few:

    .5% of our population, has the following representation in our government (I haven’t tallied it, but I’d guess it around 35%) http://vote-usa.org/officials.aspx?report=u3 How much more influence is there than those that pass laws that we all must follow?

    .5% of our population, has the following representation in our super rich political influencers: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-11/meet-puppetmasters-here-are-25-most-politically-influential-billionaires-us How much influence is there than those that control all the companies we rely on for our sustenance?

    .5% of our population has the following representation in our Federal Reserve which controls our monetary system: http://www.bostonfed.org/ar2012/2012-board-of-directors.htm How much influence is there than those who control our money supply?

    I didn’t bother to provide a link to Hollywood, because that’s practically complete domination.

    These are just observable facts of our current affairs. One can’t logically look at this and say this group as no influence on current affairs.

    Don’t look too much into this further than that, because you’d bore me with your insecurities and accusations. (i enjoy and appreciate all my Jewish doctors and friends).

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  39. does anyone know of an aggregator site for false rape convictions?

    link to heart warming story below:

    http://www.topix.com/city/athens-ga/2014/09/athens-woman-indicted-for-alleged-extortion-plot

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  40. […] has confirmed that – men and women think very differently from each other. Here’s a good post at a controversial, but eye opening, manosphere site on that very […]

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  41. @YaRally/Junior/Amy

    @YaReally, that advice to junior is spot on. Yeah, I’m a married dude in his forties with kids and a marriage that might not last due to too much time being beta in the past, and the wall approaching, but I can say that your solo stuff, and general juggler social stuff for bar interactions has had a tremendous effect on my socializing and happiness in general. Dudes like me may only go out once per week if that, but those few times are much more special with game knowledge. I know the whole staff and owners at the bar I visit. I have so much fun and they enjoy my company. I can replicate that at another bar (which I plan to do soon just for the challenge) Even if I’m not going for the bangs (my dick is though), the experiences are priceless. One things I’ve tried that worked is be next to a large, loud group and say, “Damn, adopt me into your social circle. You guys are having all the fun.” Much appreciated. Ignore the haters.

    @Amy: Consider any comment you make here, no matter low logical or helpful, as Call Waiting where we have to click over, deal with you, then continue on with our conversations. Every time I see a comment from a woman here, it’s like our mothers yapping about something. Why any woman would comment on a game blog for men is beyond me.

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  42. I think Yareally is gonna be the really loud alcoholic old man in the dive bar in 20 years

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    • What will you be, good sir? The snarky keyboard jockey focusing for 20 years on a 20-years-older YaReally instead of his actual message? It’s a difficult pill to swallow, all this red-pill truth. But the snark doesn’t make the truth go away. I know, I tried initially.

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  43. An outstanding comment, particularly the flourish at the end:

    The Big Guns have been on the Marxist Bolshevik side all along. That is the only way they have had any success whatsoever.
    Media. Entertainment. Schooling. Government. A constant barrage for decades and decades. Self-loathers destroying themselves and everyone else with them. Imagine that. The Excuse is the root of it.

    It tells you all you need to know about nature when you are given every propaganda outlet advantage, yet people are still seeing through it.
    That pendulum swing can be a real bitch.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/09/they-think-theyve-won.html

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  44. […] The Scientific Consensus Discredits Feminism | Chateau Heartiste […]

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  45. I read daily and never comment. Comments are half the point, so I should contribute. Running into 16yr old Zombie “buns in the oven” Shane invariably leaves a bad taste in my mouth. As a father of five I have spent a lot of years dealing with pregnant chicks. Single again, I have even dated a couple of chicks whilst pregnant. I HOPE he never actually breeds or 16 years later we get this same shit again. I think we should all post as Zombie Shane until he is shamed out of existence.

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  46. Empathy is NOT stronger in women of course.

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  47. Note also in that Guardian article are links to a couple more article citing a scientist Gina Rippon claiming that there are no differences. Interesting that Gina’s work focuses on the fact that brains are plastic – that women can be taught to develop more spatial sense, etc. She then makes the dizzying logical leap that there are no differences to begin with, or that there are no inherent tendencies one way or another.

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  48. […] Unfortunately, gender is more than a social construct – Heartiste throws out a piece deconstructing a book that claims gender differences visibly start as early as the womb, and that gender may be more than just a social construct. The verdict is still out on how otherkin fit into this picture. […]

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