Did Darwin Foresee Pathological Universalism?

Pulled from the briskly invigorating comments to this insightful Mangan post on the paradox of nationalism. The discussion had moved into explanations for the apparently self-immolating pathologically altruistic universalism that characterizes people of NW European descent. A commenter digs up a Darwin quote that suggests the wise man understood the dynamics of outbreeding and reinforcing cultural feedbacks (feelbacks?) to create a universalistic morality among the populace.

in other words, there’s been something of a runaway universalism

Just as Darwin predicted in his ‘Descent of Man’.

“As man advances in civilisation, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all the members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races. If, indeed, such men are separated from him by great differences in appearance or habits, experience unfortunately shews us how long it is, before we look at them as our fellow-creatures.

Sympathy beyond the confines of man, that is, humanity to the lower animals, seems to be one of the latest moral acquisitions. It is apparently unfelt by savages, except towards their pets. How little the old Romans knew of it is shewn by their abhorrent gladiatorial exhibitions. The very idea of humanity, as far as I could observe, was new to most of the Gauchos of the Pampas. This virtue, one of the noblest with which man is endowed, seems to arise incidentally from our sympathies becoming more tender and more widely diffused, until they are extended to all sentient beings. As soon as this virtue is honoured and practised by some few men, it spreads through instruction and example to the young, and eventually becomes incorporated in public opinion.”

More memetic than genetic.

More? Could be both equally. I do think proponents of out- and inbreeding genetic theories of universalism tend to give short shrift to the role that culture-gene feedback loops play in amplifying nascent changes in a people’s character and moral sense. Cf, the recent surge in obesity.

Darwin considered the evolution of wide-ranging and unprejudiced empathy toward others the “noblest” of human virtues. But, he also understood that there were races of man, past and present, who would not or could not return the favor. In reconciling this inherent contradiction bedeviling those who wished to believe in a one-world humanity of equal moral disposition, Darwin glimpsed the outline of a tyrannical self-monitoring masochism and the development of cultural institutions to codify that tyranny of the mind.

More of the perceptive man’s thoughts:

Darwin goes on to touch upon what today is called political correctness…

“The highest possible stage in moral culture is when we recognise that we ought to control our thoughts, and “not even in inmost thought to think again the sins that made the past so pleasant to us.”* Whatever makes any bad action familiar to the mind, renders its performance by so much the easier. As Marcus Aurelius long ago said, “Such as are thy habitual thoughts, such also will be the character of thy mind; for the soul is dyed by the thoughts.”*(2)

* Tennyson, Idylls of the King, p. 244.
*(2) Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Bk. V, sect. 16.”

Darwin, as well as great minds from long before his time, foresaw our modern PC, anti-white male witch burning death culture. The point of anti-white propaganda and ritualistic shaming of those who dare to question the reigning equalist narrative is humiliation of wrongthinkers. Humiliate those who entertain even wispy tendrils of wrongthought and you spare the universalist religion and its glassy-eyed Hivemind followers from suffering stains of dispiriting truth upon its soul.





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  1. […] Did Darwin Foresee Pathological Universalism? […]

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    • on September 12, 2014 at 11:50 am evilwhitemalempire

      Well it’s no secret that easy living breeds softness.

      And that softness could certainly account for PC stuff.

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  2. Darwin was a eugenicist globalist pig who thought inbreeding would create a master race. 3 of his inbred children died, 3 others couldn’t reproduce at all and 4 had more little inbred ingrates.

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  3. That Darwin married his cousin is a bit on the mark, and according to Sailer, his descendants have done remarkably well, (see his post The Descent of Darwin)

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  4. great post

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  5. Regardless one’s take on the blackies or the swarthcrew, humanity was destined to interbreed. We did with the Neaderthals in Northern Europe and the Denisovans in China to get where we are today.

    All about dat hybrid vigor.

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    • Nepal: “All about dat hybrid vigor.”

      Typical anti-white garbage, attempting to justify the destruction of white populations.

      The world is already full of heavily mixed populations, as a cursory survey of the typical Latin American slum would reveal. Or, for that matter, a tour through the Coloured areas of South Africa. The results are, predictably, horrid. But keep preaching your anti-white drivel, Nepal.

      Or better yet, why not act upon it? Perhaps you could attempt to impregnate a chimpanzee, or maybe even an orangutan? Failing that, you could settle for a semi-retarded abo (to be redundant)?

      That should give your descendants loads of hybrid vigor. They’ll be practically turbo-charged on it.

      Whatever you do, get out/stay out of my gene pool, you ridiculous freak.

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      • lol so defensive

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      • All I said was that it will happen: think I’m wrong? Think about this: at this very moment, a multitude of white girls (a few of them hot) are getting smashed by musclebound blackamoors, getting ready to give rise to the next generation of creamers.

        And what are you doing to stop it? Oh, that’s right, typing on the internet.

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      • Nepal: “All I said was that it will happen: think I’m wrong?”

        You are wrong. I’ve already answered this in a post below, but here is the short version: You WANT the mixing to happen, because you WANT white populations to be destroyed. This is a common tactic used against whites, trying to convince them that they are facing an *inevitable brown future,* and that there is nothing to be done about it. This is false anti-white propaganda designed to demoralize whites and prevent effective resistance.

        You are not posting what “will” happen, but what you want to happen. In reality, separation and speciation are incredibly powerful forces, which the state has to expend enormous resources to combat.

        Unlike you, I “want” our people to survive, and I believe that we can and will.

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      • Whatever you do, get out/stay out of my gene pool, you ridiculous freak.
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        “hybrid vigor” is a real phenomenon which works to prevent your gene pool from turning into a puddle.

        But don’t worry, it won’t “destroy” white people; it only produces a new “kind” thats finds a place to “get in where its FITS in” or disappears.

        Africa: 10 KINDS of mosquitoes

        Europe: 2

        Africa: 15 KINDS of ungulates

        Europe: 2 or 3

        Africa: 15 KINDS of poisonous snakes

        Ireland: NONE

        You get the picture?

        You gotta get in where you fit in.

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      • Hybrid Vigor means not having children with your sister or cousin. For extra points, it means having children with somebody of complementary qualities such as intro/extravert, which are proxy for other types of complementarities.

        Overdoing hybridity gets you Outbreeding Depression, otherwise known as Phil Chism.

        PS: muh dik

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      • Girls, never go full retard. Don’t give birth to Phil Chism.

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      • PA nails it. Hybrid vigor is a real concept, but is totally misapplied when employed to justify the genocide of white populations. Whether the person misapplying it is acting out of deceit and malice, or sheer ignorance, is the only question. Generally, it is the former.

        Further, there are already plenty of real world examples of what happens when white populations mix with non-whites, from the slums of Latin America to the Coloured people of South Africa. That’s your “hybrid vigor,” thwack, and it’s not misapplied theory – it’s real world. Somehow, the proponents of hybrid vigor never want to look at these real world populations, and the disasters that they are. I wonder why? I’ll answer that for you: they pretend to be one thing, but what they are is anti-white.

        thwack: “But don’t worry, it won’t “destroy” white people; it only produces a new “kind” thats finds a place to “get in where its FITS in” or disappears.”

        This is a shameless lie, as a simple glance at the Coloured people of South Africa or the slums of Latin America demonstrates.

        As I’ve mentioned before, it goes to show the problem with having any non-whites amongst us at all, as they have a natural incentive to undermine us. They are always looking for an excuse, however lame, to justify the destruction of white populations. We see this here with you, thwack. When push comes to shove, you revert to your natural incentive.

        That’s fine, I expect it of you. The future is the ethnostate. It is the only way to meaningfully separate and from these lying, genocidal lunatics.

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      • Pisstrainer

        from the slums of Latin America to the Coloured people of South Africa. That’s your “hybrid vigor,” thwack, and it’s not misapplied theory – it’s real world.
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        Have you been by 1600 Pennsylvania avenue lately?

        Oh and BTW, for some reason you racists don’t count all the people who are “passing for white”; Jayne Mansfeild, Marshall Mathers, Larry Bird, Janis Joplin, Tina Marie… are they vigorous enough for you?

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      • thwack: “Have you been by 1600 Pennsylvania avenue lately?”

        Sigh.

        thwack: “Oh and BTW, for some reason you racists don’t count all the people who are “passing for white”; Jayne Mansfeild, Marshall Mathers, Larry Bird, Janis Joplin, Tina Marie… are they vigorous enough for you?”

        Double sigh. Thwack, I hate to break it to you, but you’ve got a strong moron strain going on, buddy. That you apparently imagine that either of these ridiculous statements even slightly refute my position is, frankly, weird. It’s sort of as if I claimed that 2+2=4, and you respond, “No it’s not! It’s green!”

        Try to channel that other part of yourself that is at least somewhat capable of grasping elementary logic, and is even known to make an interesting post or two. I sincerely hope that this “thwack” is a sock puppet, because this is just sad.

        Of course, it would be better still if you didn’t take absurd positions in the first place, so you wouldn’t have to look like an idiot defending them. My original claim stands, obvious and unchallenged.

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    • You’re mistaking engineering for entropy, Nepal. If there is a drift to mixing, there is a three times as powerful drive to segregation, driven by White men. Remember what rednecks did to nogs? White boys, when free men, dont just step aside.

      What you’re blind to is an even stronger state that engineers White male passivity to mixing. That state has spent quadrillions of dollars in propaganda and law enforcement just to keep the redneck from protecting his daughter from drift to mud.

      Absent this vile state, and segregation trumps entropy.

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      • Absent this vile state, segregation trumps entropy

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      • PA: “That state has spent quadrillions of dollars in propaganda and law enforcement just to keep the redneck from protecting his daughter from drift to mud.”

        Yep. One of the things that the anti-white system does is cut all lines of cultural transmission – whether that be music, television, schools, etc. Not one institution is allowed to promote the idea of our continuity as a people. If anyone gets off of the party line in a meaningful sense, he or she is gone. Absolute uniformity is insisted upon, and all must agree that whites will disappear into our *inevitable brown future,* and how wonderful that future will be. All authority figures must stay on script.

        But there was one institution that held out longer than most, and that is the family. Private conversations where values and meaning were transmitted from one generation to the next. But even that final line of cultural transmission is being cut.

        The anti-white system has reached a point where many white parents are literally afraid of even talking honestly with their own children about race. They worry that if the child learns the truth, and comes to believe in the value of his own people, that the child might not have the maturity to keep this to himself/herself. Something might slip, at the wrong time or place. If it does, this could result in the child being beaten by non-whites, or getting into some sort of trouble with a teacher, or some other figure of authority. So the parents are, in essence, scared to the point of shutting up. Such wonderful freedom we enjoy. Ha!

        We really are living in a sort of anarcho-tyranny, as I believe Francis described it, and the system is going for broke, even as we speak. Fortunately, that same system is also going broke in the literal sense, and is losing legitimacy by the day. The society becomes dumber, crasser, and more revolting by the day. Horrible to watch, but it will create enormous opportunities for whites in the years ahead. The system will have a difficult time sustaining itself as time goes on. There are simply too many internal contradictions, and those become ever most costly with time.

        Whites need to weather this storm, and be amongst the group that comes out intact on the other side. Survive. Have that conversation with your children, and teach them to keep it to themselves. Let them know that they now live in a hostile world that will punish them for the truth, but that they do have a future, and that their lives do matter. That they are more than consumerist automatons.

        If a particular white family can just hang on for the next generation or so without sinking under the brown tide, it can get through this madness in one piece. I’ll be very surprised if this system can last more than a few additional decades, certainly not much longer and perhaps far shorter. The future is in the ethnostate.

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    • My understanding is that hybrid vigor is a real phenomena in biology – that occurs unexpectly. But more typically crossing strains results in wan weak and sickly.

      Crossing two populations does not give the mixed population as a whole hybrid vigor. It might occur in individuals, and they can be selected for. Hybrid vigor is the exception, and that is why there is a concept to explain it.

      When it is used an argument in media discourse among non-specialists, it is ignorance at work and on display. It is a fancy sounding phrase that is misused, deliberately or not, as a justification for mixing races.

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      • Suburban_elk: “It [hybrid vigor] is a fancy sounding phrase that is misused, deliberately or not, as a justification for mixing races.”

        Exactly. In comment threads such as this one, it’s a term employed by the not-so-bright in order to justify the destruction of white populations. In the context of this usage, it’s actually something of an accomplishment: it somehow combines ignorance with deliberate deception. You don’t see that every day.

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  6. Darwin did not fully accept his own theory and expressed far more serious doubt and concern than modern evolutionists that his work would be vindicated in the future.

    Even without super computers and advanced mathematics he knew he was asking the mechanisms of random mutation and natural selection to bear far more weight than any other logical structure to date.

    I guess you could say he had FAITH in it.

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    • Even without super computers and advanced mathematics he knew he was asking the mechanisms of random mutation and natural selection to bear far more weight than any other logical structure to date.

      I guess you could say he had FAITH in it.

      Very astute observation, and nicely phrased.

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  7. This is pretty fantastic, and you are highly quotable. I’ve reprinted this and quibcagged you here:
    http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2014/09/just-ask-darwin-about-pathological.html

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  8. so- we need to interbreed to bring back the neanderthals? looks like a lot of them already here around the malls and in the hood… yah- them cave dwellers really helped create “where we are today”… not to worry, with some more interbreeding you and all your friends can go back to the caves real soon.

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    • i am chastened. *sad face*

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    • pick up your strawman dude- never said what “should” happen, just said what “will” happen.

      Also, do a little homework before you start taking clumsy swipes: the Neanderthal population was concentrated in Northern Europe, and that’s reflected by the fact that ‘pure’ Northern Europeans have the highest %age of Neanderthal DNA.

      Conversely- the blackies actually have the least amount of Neanderthal DNA %wise because they stayed in Africa and didn’t “diversify” so to speak.

      So if anything, bring the Neanderthals back!

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      • Conversely- the blackies actually have the least amount of Neanderthal DNA %wise because they stayed in Africa and didn’t “diversify” so to speak.
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        Sure, the least amount of “cave man” DNA but the most DIVERSE amount of homo sapian DNA.

        In addition, all “the blackies” did not stay in Africa; they went to Australia, India, all over the Pacific, Europe, and even the Americas.

        Today they are in the White House.

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      • on September 12, 2014 at 8:28 pm Modern Primitive

        As funny as that is thwack he wasn’t elected on his own merits, self hating whites felt the need for a Token.

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      • Are you gonna say that when Im fucking your sister?

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      • “Are you gonna say that when Im fucking your sister?”

        Translation: muh-dick.

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      • Explicators are not solutions.

        Please try again faggot.

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      • Solutions. For those afflicted with feces-colored skin, “gibsmedat” and “aybah poda hep” are the only solutions they can ever come up with. The solution to shitskins raping white women is a good old fashioned lynching.

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      • blacks have no Neanderthal dna

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      • Nepal: “…never said what “should” happen, just said what “will” happen.”

        No, you said what you personally WANT to happen, because you are an anti-white bigot that looks forward to the destruction of white populations. With a handle like “Nepal,” it’s little wonder that you would want to undermine the idea of white continuity. That’s just one of a million problems that result from having racial aliens in our midst – they always have an incentive to undermine us.

        As for what actually “will” happen, that is very much an open question. Humans do a pretty good job of segregating themselves, and it often takes enormous pressure, propaganda, suppression, penalties and incentives to impede this natural process of separation and speciation. The current system is based in large measure upon impeding that natural process, which is why it makes “racism” the ultimate sin.

        In reality, the future is very much in doubt. It is indeed up to us, which is why you take the time to spout your anti-white drivel. You want whites to believe in an *inevitable brown future* that, in your malevolence, you wish to come true. But it’s not inevitable at all, and that’s what bothers you the most. My own prediction is that your kind are going to lose, and big. That’s certainly what I “want” to happen. We’ll see.

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  9. CH-?sad face? as a new reader perhaps i misunderstood who i was responding to- i thought ‘nepal” commented on ‘humans’ interbreeding with other species was what i commented on- ? i was not responding to your essay- which was interesting and to the point in re Darwin’s thoughts on universalism (which i do not concur with, for other reasons); universalism, IMHO, is the accomplished takeover of Christianity and the white western world, a ploy of ashkenazi zionists in charge of the babylonian money magick to conquer the world and make all goyim their slaves. but that topic is really not suited for your wonderful blog in re what makes males and females what they really are… and hopefully another place for people to come to an understanding why tribal affiliations and choices need to be protected- “l’morte de arthur” was written at the same time the usurers were changing the face of the civilized european kingdoms- time and again they return as ‘ grima wormtongues’ to bring decay and despair from within, using our innate sinful natures to conquer us. will the king return?

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  10. The conduct of women reflect the quality of the male. In today’s society, the male is typically passive aggressive, borderline closet homosexual garbage. So, the female is running wild, forging grand canyon vaginas.

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    • i would say the conduct of both sexes is a response to the opposite sex’s behavior.

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      • “i would say the conduct of both sexes is a response to the opposite sex’s behavior.”

        exactly.

        try spending some time with a really feminine girl instead of a masculine nasty feminist and you’ll see how fast you turn into the alpha male you were always meant to be.

        i’m not so sure it works as well in reverse because women these days are so brain-washed and resistant to change that it takes an enormous amount of alpha behavior and game to turn around a broken woman but i know for a fact that when i’m around a pretty girl who is feminine and pleasant, i instantly move into alpha mode without even trying.

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      • Yes it is. That’s why the “where have all the manly men gone” articles are mostly bs. They’re still there, but they don’t want to talk to you because you’re a ball breaking bitch.

        I was out in a group the other night with a guy that most girls think is a disrespectful arrogant ass. He’s respectful to me though, because I’m feminine and I treat HIM with respect. It’s really not that complicated.

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      • Too true Amy – I find my inner asshole being subdued in the presence of a truly feminine woman.

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      • It’s a little gem of a statement. Each sex wants to get the other, so they behave in whatever way they think will help them do that. It may be part of the reason geeks are so unmasculine–no women in the subculture to impress.

        I do wonder where feminism really came from. YKW are huge proponents of it, but it’s strongest in Sweden and the Nordic countries, with really few of them. Attempts by ugly women to neuter the advantage of pretty ones? Masculine women looking to make men more submissive? I’m curious to hear any theories OTHER than cultural Marxism, which is likely a piece of the puzzle.

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      • “Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to
        the mainstream of society.” ~ Rush Limbaugh, radio talk juggernaut and CH fanboy, especially enamored of Zombie Shane’s commentary

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      • Nepal: “I find my inner asshole being subdued…”

        LOL! I think this speaks for itself. Whatever turns you on, Nepal.

        Whoever taught you English as a second language, I’d consider asking for a refund. Full refund.

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      • on September 15, 2014 at 9:48 am ALPHAbetacal Order

        People adapt/maladapt to their social environments; sounds far-fetched.

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    • Is Clockwork Orange you new scripture Jesuit?
      I am sure you would not repeat that if I was standing in front of you
      you sleazy lizard
      As for your derrida-esqe deconstruction let me respond with this detailed analysis
      loololololzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  11. Darwin and Nietzche both realized the poison and insanity of Christ insanity. Christianity is the source of all our ongoing pathological universalist racial woes (the word Catholic means “universal”) but most whites are too dimwitted or brainwashed to see it. Communism, modern liberalism, cultural marxism, radical feminism, political correctness, pathological altruism, pathological universalism, liberal egalitarianism which says we are equals and all the same no different than a below 80 IQ black from the African bush, etc. All of these sick ideas have their root and branch in the ancient form of Communism known as Christianity and both are inventions of the Jew with the express goal of destroying the white race from the face of the earth. Jews killed an estimated 60-100 million white people in their Soviet Communist Union. Who can say how many endless millions of people they massacred using their Christian religion proper?

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    • JenkPac Shakur
      Darwin and Nietzche both realized the poison and insanity of Christ insanity
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      OK fine, if I got rid of it, what do you have to replace it with thats BETTER?

      And BTW, The African in the bush is a MASTER at living in the bush; he has out lasted several different versions of the white man; Andy, Denny, and you might be next.

      Leave him alone.

      And don’t touch my dog either.

      ni66er.

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      • wow…a master of living on dirt eating bugs. Wow. Put that right up there with space flight

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      • trav777
        wow…a master of living on dirt eating bugs.
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        is now fucking your daughter and living in the White House.

        The Pilgrims could have gone to Africa, its much closer; why didn’t they?

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      • Reading, Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond can help give some perspective on why certain societies around the world emerged as they did.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

        The environmental differences do the selecting, the rest is up to adaptation, innovation, opportunities, luck and willingness to fight.

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    • Again, you’re apparently too dimwitted to understand that this pathological altruism BS only took off once people either rejected Christianity or feminized it into a sick caricature of its former self by injecting it full of liberalism and cultural marxism. It’s not Christianity that’s the problem.

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      • Dimwitted, indeed.

        No matter how many times this dreck of his (and of his antiChrist ilk) gets gainsaid, he and they just keep spewing the same bullshit in later threads.

        It’s why I hate the internet… it gives a voice to those who have no right to their opinion.

        That’s right… I said NO right to their opinion… because they’ve proven themselves unlearned and, yet more egregious, unwilling to learn.

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      • on September 14, 2014 at 1:24 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

        You’re too dimwitted to actually realize that ideas evolve over time. In the case of secular humanists, for example, it’s transparent they’re the ideological descendants of Christian humanists. And Christianity already was a sick caricature of a moral system.

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    • So Jesuit Greg along with his disciple or archenemy twacky (depending on the subject) want to banish all descent from Internet
      This is in tradition of his Semitic sect who used to burn heretics for centuries
      of utter darkness and despair
      All intellectual discussion permitted was how many angels can dense on the top of a needle
      Uber left Guardian on the Marxist Pope
      http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/24/guardian-view-on-pope-francis-leftward-lurch

      Essentially we should commend Francis for leaving in accordance with the dogma of his church
      The apology of human weakness is the very essence of it
      Corruption is another one
      An unbaptized child according to the dogma will forever live in a limbo while a killer will be pardoned if he recognizes Christ as his Savior

      The rise of West starts with renaissance and protestant revolution
      It was absolutely necessary to split the iron grip of the church to weaken it ,
      in order to free human potential from this decadent and corrupt institution
      We lost a thousand years in darkest of dark edges worshiping Semitic God
      which was alien to the very nature of Greece and Rome two pinnacles of our civilization
      We already have Rome and Athens while Semitic fanatics roamed streets of Jerusalem and it took 1000 years to get to our roots, to the classic civilization
      Not Judeo-Christian
      So fuck off Greg you, your ilk and your Marxist in Chief Francis
      I

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      • Banish descent? LLZOZLZOZLZOZLOZLOZLOZLOZLOZLO

        Look, chump… it’s not (ahem) dissent that bothers men… it’s inane South Park snark and antiChristians trying to dictate to actual Christians the tenets of the faith… more importantly, coupled with that oh-so-smarmy internet habit of totally ignoring the deconstruction of their attempts at Scripture and repeating the same bushwa at later dates in yet another thread.

        So come get one in the yarbles… if’n ya got any, eunuch jelly, thou.

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  12. More? Could be both equally. I do think proponents of out- and inbreeding genetic theories of universalism tend to give short shrift to the role that culture-gene feedback loops play in amplifying nascent changes in a people’s character and moral sense. Cf, the recent surge in obesity.

    No, I think in this case, Darwin was describing the behavior of one particular group of people, particularly in contrast to others. When a group of people have a genetic susceptibility to certain phenotypes , it only takes certain triggers to get the ball rolling. That is what Darwin was (rather prophetically) describing.

    Note, that no one that talks seriously about this topic denies that this process occurs. Like I said, when you get a certain pent up genetic potential, a few sparks can get the dam to burst.

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  13. Asimov took this concept to the Nth degree in Foundation’s Edge (1982). The Gaia principle extended to the whole galaxy, though the treatment was (like Darwin’s here) not so much an endorsement as speculative exploration.

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  14. […] Pulled from the briskly invigorating comments to this insightful Mangan post on the paradox of nationalism.  […]

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  15. Considering what we have to work with on Earth, outbreeding with extraterrestrials doesn’t sound so bad, actually.

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  16. on September 13, 2014 at 9:29 am gunslingergregi

    yea met another dude who said his chick beat him 6 times while they were together kept telling her he was gonna leave
    in the end she tried to stab he ran outside naked she tried to run him over
    really I don’t think I know any chicks around here that don’t have a story of when they tried to kill a dude at some point I guess good they ain’t that good at it
    so yea umm kind of reversed a bit

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  17. Some seem to think Christianity is and has always been a wall against Islam, but let me remind you of a few historical facts:

    The Teutonic Knights did not attack Islam. Instead they attacked true Europeans (i. e. Pagan Europeans), in Prussia, Lithuania, Livonia and Estonia. They also attacked other Christians, both Catholic Poles and Russian Orthodox Slavs. Not only that; they attacked the Christian Slavic tribes at a time when they were already under attack from the Mongols in the East. Other parts of Europe too were under attack, from Muslims, and received no help from the Teutonic Knights, who gave priority to slaughtering Europeans.

    Example Sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_Empire

    Then we have the crusades, when Christians instead of fighting against the Muslims decided to e. g. sack the capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire – leaving her vulnerable to the Turkish hordes advancing from the East. They even raped the nuns in the monasteries. The Muslims didn’t advance further than they did into Europe because of the efforts of the Christians, but mainly because of the Mongol Horde – who attacked them from the East.

    Example Sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Constantinople_(1204)#Sack_of_Constantinople

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people#Beyliks_era

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_(1258)

    Some times Christianized Europeans were butchered only because they did not have the ‘right’ type of Christianity, like the Cathars, who were completely anihilated by Catholic crusaders. The Bogomils too fell victim to the hatred and aggression of crusaders.

    Example Sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogomilism#War_with_Hungary

    This in-fighting culminated, I think we can say, with the ‘Reformation’, resulting in a a series of wars, the worst one being the ‘Thirty Years War’, that killed as much as between 25 and 40% of the entire population of Germany alone (and many other Europeans too), and left the entire Christian Balkans to the mercy of the Muslim Ottomans for hundreds of years.

    Now think about that for a while: between 25 and 40% of the entire German population killed in 30 years… because of Christianity!

    Example Sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation#Thirty_Years_War:_1618-1648

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

    Now, letting the Muslims wreck havoc to large parts of Europe, was not a new thing to the Christians. In the 8th and early 9th century, rather than take back what the Muslim Moorish aggressors had taken in Iberia, when his father Charles Martel had been king of France, the Christian Charlemagne decided that it was more important to convert the Saxons (Germans), and spent about 30 years killing Saxons – an even massacred them, when he had the chance to. The result of this was naturally that the Muslim Moors could keep almost all of the Christian Iberian Peninsula for 500 years!

    Example Sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Wars

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

    I could go on an on about this, showing you how Christianity has not defended Europe from anybody at all, and instead focused on wrecking havoc in Europe and for Europeans – even when Europe was seriously threatened from the outside, by foreign enemies such as the Moors, the Ottomans and the Mongols/The Golden Horde. The Christians of Europe left their fellow Christians to fight the foreign threats on their own, and often even supported the foreign threats or even attacked the Christians defending against them in the back.

    Example Source:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Ottoman_alliance

    If anybody thinks that Christianity is the solution, the way to go to ensure the survival of Europe, then think again. Christianity itself is an enemy of Europe, and has always been an enemy of Europe, and is the biggest direct and indirect cause of all our unwanted problems.

    The Pagans of Europe united whenever they faced a common threat, and we should do that today as well, and in the future.

    Example Source:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vercingetorix

    Europe is Pagan in blood, mind and spirit, and must return to her roots to become harmonious again. Not peaceful, not weak, not tolerant, but harmonious: in accordance with the laws of nature. Never compromise with Christians: they are enemies of Europe!

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    • on September 14, 2014 at 1:29 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      “They even raped the nuns in the monasteries.”
      That’s usually babies on bayonets type propaganda and both of these examples were lies the Allies said about the Germans in WW1. lol

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    • The shithouse historian is going to tell us that things like the Thirty Years War were merely “about religion”…

      (((shakin’ mah haid between bouts of LZOZLZOZLZOLZOLZOLZOLOZLO)))

      Learn to think in three dimensions, boy…

      And realize that, then as now, many a profane desire towards political power and material gain is hidden under the cloak of alleged divine motive…

      And that Scripture tells us plainly, as any with eyes to see can discern, that Satan himself often poses as an angel of light.

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      • The 30 Years War had almost nothing to do with religion. It was about taking the Hapsburg’s holdings and little else. Protestants and Catholics fought on both sides together and mercenary companies were usually mixed. Rene Descartes was a Catholic mercenary. Learning that gave me a huge appreciation for him as a man.

        Ein ruheloser Marsch war unser Leben, und wie der Winde Sausen, heimatfern, durchschritten wir die krieg­bedeckte Erde.”

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  18. We’ve fought with many men acrost the seas,
    An’ some of ’em was brave an’ some was not:
    The Paythan an’ the Zulu an’ Burmese;
    But the Fuzzy was the finest o’ the lot.
    ..
    So ‘ere’s to you, Fuzzy-Wuzzy, at your ‘ome in the Soudan;
    You’re a pore benighted ‘eathen but a first-class fightin’ man “

    A better man than me, Gunga Din?

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  19. Well it looks like one of Obama’s sons that being a 16 year old black thug named Simeon (more like “simian”) Adams murdered 24 year old white newly-wed and father to be Nathan Trapuzzano. The poor murdered white man’s widow Jennifer Trapuzzano you’d think would naturally be furious and out of her mind with rage that a disgusting sub human chimpanzee that belongs in a zoo cage (if not a more appropriate jungle environment far away from human society) continues to breathe for even yet another second while her husband lay dead via it’s filthy paws but you’d be wrong to think that and do you know why you’d be wrong to think that? It is because there is no insanity like the Jew’s death cult for the white goyim quite like Christ insanity. Instead of calling for a white lynch mob to deal swift justice to said chimpanzee Jennifer Trapuzzano current widow and soon to be single mom had this to say: “Please pray for his conversion” (see the suicidal doctrine of Christ insanity encourages these poor brainwashed white goyim into “turning the other cheek” and letting enemies kill them or get off the hook for killing their loved ones).

    It is as wise race conscious white men have long said. The Christian infected white is a practicioner of alchemy. He foolishly thinks subhuman blacks and sociopathic predatory Jews can be made into decent respectable human beings like the majority of whites are if only they bow down and accept the same fictional Jewish god the white Christian has been trained from birth on up to believe in by his Jew occupied country. The white Christian is truly a sick and depraved creature in desperate need of a cult deprogrammer and likely SSRI inhibitor pills by the dozen.

    I’m quite certain after reading my most recent post here Rabbi Thackowitz will encourage his Chateau Heartistian white goyim Christ cultists Greg Elliot and Corvinus to organize a candlelight vigil in light of this tragedy.

    Not for their racial kinsmen and white brother Nathan Trapuzzano of course or even his widowed spouse Jennifer, oh no! there’s far more important business Rabbi Thackowitz and Christ twinks Corvi and Greggy need to attend to and thats of course focusing on the REAL tragedy here which is that poor oppressed black youth Simian Adams has no one to pay for his legal counsel!

    THIS is the mindset of these Christian sickos and their white liberal counterparts.

    Amy Biehl’s parents reacted similarly to their daughter’s murder quickly forgiving the subhuman black for the butchery and they and their daughter were liberals which is basically a stripped down bare bones version of Communism but of course both have their origins in Christ insanity’s egalitarian + turn the other cheek styled suicidal teachings.

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    • on September 14, 2014 at 1:36 am Pijama Wearing Ninja

      What irks me is that these people that have a problem with violence have no qualms about others doing violence on their behalf(e.g. they will call the police). Likewise the turn the other cheek people will use others so that they won’t have to be punched in the face the first time, let alone get punched in the face twice.

      And I can’t say I still care much for the children of white liberals. Maybe if they’d all die, we’d at least get rid of the liberal disease in a couple of decades when their parents die too.

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  20. JenkPac,

    all I ask of you is to describe your alternative to Christianity; nature abhors a vacuum, you can’t leave a blank spot there.

    No people on Earth lack a religion; asking white people do do without one is absurd.

    What country you from?

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    • Jews destroy what truly threatens them which is why they did everything in their power to destroy National Socialism, meanwhile they keep their Christ cult around. They do attack the cult from time to time in their media with the aid of their Jewish comedians such as Bill Maher and other types but thats about as far as the attacks go. Oh sure and there’s some court battles from time to time against this or that church for child molestation or trying to force them into marrying gays, etc but all in all very mild “attacks” in all.

      Anyway White Christ dimwits not understanding sociopathic manipulation take these minor “attacks” to mean Christ insanity must be a legitimate defense against the Jew because “after all if Christ insanity was not true why would the Jew attack it? Hyuck hyuck hyuck” the Christ twink laughs glibly to himself confident in his arrogant position that he is right when he is in truth forever and always wrong.

      The Jew is only “attacking” the Christian religion to keep it “relevant” to use the latest buzzword of the North American Pavement Ape™.

      In other words the way Judaism and its baby Christ insanity work is that the more you “persecute” them or the more they can trick onlookers to believe that they are being “persecuted” by SOMEONE…ANYONE…this almost always seems to bolster their political power and their staying power as more and more fools will then join up with the cult in solidarity.

      The Jew doesn’t want Christ insanity to go away, the Jew knows that the cult is his get out of jail/get out of a real Holocaust free card if ever the white race wakes up to all the true evils the Jew has brought against it. The 30 years war, the Holodomor, 100 million white Christian turn the other cheekers massacred by the Jewish Communist NKVD in the Soviet Jewnion, USS Liberty Jew massacre of white American soldiers, 9/11 Jew atrocity false flag in collabo with shabbos goy Bush Administration, etc.

      The white race overall is very even minded and not at all temperamental and yet the Jew fears deep in his soul that if we ever collectively wake up to what they have done we will wage a true war of extermination against them which will end in a legitimate Holocaust unlike the fake one that the Communist Jew Ilya Ehrenburg dreamed up as a post war propaganda lie to demonize generations of whites turning them into self haters with a typical Jew blood libel charge.

      The Jews get many uses out of Christ insanity, it is their veritable psyche warfare swiss army knife for controlling the white man. The Jew uses Christ insanity to turn white men into their veritable war “Golem” of legend to smash their enemies for them, the Jews get whites to de facto bow down and worship the Jewish race through the fictional Jew Rabbi Jesus character thereby dishonoring Odin and the Aesir (our true gods and cultural heritage as whites) and most important of all the Jews believe the white man will never be able to come to terms with exterminating Jews off the face of the planet in a racial ragnarok holy war as the Jews are attempting to do to the white man now in subtler ways because the Jews believe whites are so attached to the Jew Jesus character that they will never be able to exterminate the race that they believe birthed “their god” into being. Why it’d be just like “killing Jesus all over again” boo hoo hoo and what a bad thing that would be right?

      So unless whites wise up and rise up casting off the yoke + nonsense that is Christ insanity they’ve pretty much got this battle against whitey wrapped up.

      Christians put the Christ cult before their race so you’ll sooner see Corvi and Greggi on the battlefield (if it ever comes to that) killing their fellow white racial kinsmen than ever becoming a threat to their poor persecuted (boo hoo hoo) eternal victim Jews.

      Lastly what is needed Rabbi Thwackowitz is a National Socialist revival ala Golden Dawn. Thats what the American white man needs and what the Jew fears. Re-package National Socialism to make it palatable to American whites so they can get passed the pavlovian brainwashed Jew media negative response to the ideology and then the games will really begin. National Socialism was so feared by the Catholic Church and other Christian sects because it provides a complete answer for all the white man’s needs. It plugs the vacuum of Christ insanity’s loss entirely all of it’s own accord. The National Socialist ideology completely revived Germany and was never itself proven to be unworkable or wrong. It was only destroyed via the Jews manipulating the entire world to go and destroy it but again the ideology itself was never proven to be a bad thing or proven to be unworkable. Thus it needs and will continue to re-appear on the world stage ala Golden Dawn type movements the more the Jews continue to rot the west with DIE-versity and wars for Israel without end + all the economic instability that comes with that.

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    • National Socialism is the natural alternative to Christ insanity, its why the Catholic Church and other Christians sects feared it so much. It provides for all the needs of the white race spiritual and or otherwise. It replaces the unproductive suicidal worship of Boozus with the belief in blood and soil. Golden Dawn in Greece is a repackaging of National Socialism for the modern world and naturally Golden Dawn is already having problems with the Christ tards trying to undermine it. What America and Britain both need is their own National Socialist repackaging political party ala Golden Dawn.

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      • It was tried once in the recent past. If it is so natural, why did it fail?

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      • thwack: “It was tried once in the recent past. If it is so natural, why did it fail?”

        Might have had something to do with the millions of Soviet, American and other Allied soldiers that physically crushed it, and then proceeded to occupy and “de-nazify” the country.

        I’m not a national socialist, and don’t necessarily agree with jenk. Just saying.

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      • JenkPac Jelqueur is all set to do battle against the rising tide of colour…

        But first he’ll wage a campaign to wipe out all the white Christians, you see, because those fellows are responsible for all the internecine European warfare of the past and the current malaise.

        Quick, somebody hook up a generator to the grave of Martel… it would be a schande to waste all that energy.

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      • This Sunday’s Sermon topic:
        “Heresy to Jews
        Madness to Gentiles”

        I kid ye not.

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      • JenkPac, much of what you say about YKW political machinations is all-too-true… and your fighting spirit is admirable, if somewhat misdirected.

        Take a moment and check out the Harold Covington novels on the Northwest Front… his suggested attitude towards race and religion in re the coming battle for the Northwest Imperative is as sound as any.

        Going after Christians and demeaning the Lord creates no path to a White Homeland… you’ll find you’re losing some of the cause’s best cadres before the actual war even begins… an alienation of talent our people can ill afford at this, the crossroads of our future survival.

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      • Greg Elliot: “Take a moment and check out the Harold Covington novels…”

        The Northwest Quintet is a great read, particularly A Distant Thunder, The Brigade, and Freedom’s Sons, probably read in that order. Definitely Freedom’s Sons needs to come last.

        The other two (Hill of the Ravens and A Mighty Fortress) aren’t quite as good, in my opinion, but still interesting and worthwhile.

        I haven’t read much fiction since the days of my misspent youth, but these books really changed that. Almost inspired me to write some fiction of my own. I’ve got a story knocking around somewhere near the id and behind the subconscious, but we’ll have to see about that.

        Don’t necessarily agree with Covington or all of the policies in his fictitious Northwest Republic, but the sumbitch can definitely write. He’s created an entire mythos, and he’s done it well. Lots of food for thought, certainly.

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  21. […] Did Darwin Foresee Pathological Universalism? | Chateau Heartiste […]

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  22. There goes Greg again attempting to play the poor persecuted Christian victim thereby looking for as much sympathy as he can generate from onlookers like the typical well trained “good goyim” that he is. Greg I don’t want to massacre you white Christian fools. I want you all to recognize you’ve been had, you’ve been hookwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok, etc. You’ve been lied to, you’ve had your TRUE heritage and your TRUE history robbed from you as a white person by the world’s largest and most successful sociopathic cult in history known as the Jewish people™. Of course your pride + emotional & psychological conditioning + fear of Jew Hell + Christ insanity being your entire worldview makes it a near impossible task for anyone much less myself to be able to deprogram you from this Jew cult but the historical record is unmistakeable.

    Christ insanity= not the true religious heritage of white European man which is why there are all those religions out there known as “pre-Christian” religions that the white race practiced. You’re only practicing Christ insanity now and holding to it so fervently because you literally don’t know anything else because some Jew or white Christian lowlife slit the throat of your pagan forebears. You SHOULD be angry about THAT but instead you lash out at me your white brother like a child. So to conclude Greg again I don’t want your or any white Christians death. I want you to realize that what you’re in is a death cult that makes you desire death so that you can be with Jesus (so you think) but really the Jew is just laughing at you. I want you Greg and all Christian whites to give up this cult, give up this drug and save our race from annihilation.

    I’m looking for YOU whites trapped in Christ insanity to be the heroes here NOT me.

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    • I want you to realize that what you’re in is a death cult that makes you desire death so that you can be with Jesus
      ———————————————————————————————–

      is that what you think it is?

      Did someone teach you that or did you come up with it on your own?

      You can TRY to become a Christian by making a personal commitment to Christ but it ain’t gonna work because most men are too WEAK to make a personal commitment to THEMSELVES; why are you trying to get around this?

      Oh I know; because being a lying, cheating, untrust worthy piece of shit is the only tool in your tool box, and you wonder why you can’t get anything done?

      You atheists are a lot like feminists; your currency only spends in a market Christians have made safe for EVERYBODY to shop in. You should change your name to “Lucky ni66er”

      People like you are the reason my fist stay balled up.

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      • You atheists are a lot like feminists; your currency only spends in a market Christians have made safe for EVERYBODY to shop in. You should change your name to “Lucky ni66er”

        Standing O on that one…

        Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy, if a carpenter can get resurrected, anything’s possible… I just may have to walk a mile in thwack’s shoes and he in mine… BOTH of us with permanently balled-up fists… clearing the streets like a couple of SA men from yesteryear… the saga of the Brown Shirt and the Brown Skin… movie of the week material, right there. 🙂

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      • “Die Fahne hoch! … Es schau’n aufs KREUZ voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.”

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      • Touche’

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    • Shakur, read my comment below.

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      • There goes Greg again attempting to play the poor persecuted Christian victim thereby looking for as much sympathy as he can generate from onlookers like the typical well trained “good goyim” that he is.

        You’ve apparently mistaken my sardonic dismissal of your Scriptural knowledge in particular and historical intelligence in general as some sort of Persecution Play.

        Alas, it seems even the truths-said-in-jest are falling flat around here lately… more’s the pity.

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    • blockquote>There goes Greg again attempting to play the poor persecuted Christian victim thereby looking for as much sympathy as he can generate from onlookers like the typical well trained “good goyim” that he is.

      You’ve apparently mistaken my sardonic dismissal of your Scriptural knowledge in particular and historical intelligence in general as some sort of Persecution Play.

      Alas, it seems even the truths-said-in-jest are falling flat around here lately… more’s the pity.

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  23. I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

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  24. One can only hope for the happyending of the Prodigal Son. Whether Euros would make follow that, versus the Wicked Servants of the Wineyard’ a simpleton like me can only speculate.

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  25. Pathological Universalism of Europeans (as opposed to healthy Universalism of say the Asian traditions), can be traced to Christianity. Although Christianity doesn’t have nearly as much influence on European people as it used to, the cultural after effects are evident.

    Christianity, like Islam, is a universalist religion in that it proposes everyone in the entire universe should convert to it. By converting to it the individual will find liberation and equality. But those who do not are forever confined to the category of “other”.

    Uncomfortableness with the other, or rather, difference, is why Christianity seeks to make it all ONE.

    In other words: MONO theism.

    Its Utopian and Universalist and its influence its still felt today in our modern, secular world.

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  26. “Sympathy beyond the confines of man, that is, humanity to the lower animals, seems to be one of the latest moral acquisitions. It is apparently unfelt by savages, except towards their pets.”

    Heh. Americans and their cats and dogs.

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  27. Trainspotter

    PA nails it. Hybrid vigor is a real concept, but is totally misapplied when employed to justify the genocide of white populations. Whether the person misapplying it is acting out of deceit and malice, or sheer ignorance, is the only question. Generally, it is the former.

    Trainspotter,
    Is your conclusion about the merit of PA’s comment based on your empirically biological grasp of hybrid vigor?
    Or is it mere convenience to your ideological wishlist re. race and miscegenation?
    Hmmm. I wonder.

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    • nikcrit: “Is your conclusion about the merit of PA’s comment based on your empirically biological grasp of hybrid vigor?
      Or is it mere convenience to your ideological wishlist re. race and miscegenation? Hmmm. I wonder.”

      There is no need to wonder. I stated quite clearly the evidence that I relied upon: the vast mixed populations that already exist in the world. The best examples being the Coloured population of South Africa (considered by some as being the most racially mixed/diverse population in the world), along with the teeming slums of Latin America. Of course, there are other real world examples. The Arab world has a lot of admixture too. Lots of “hybrid vigor” on display, with hybrid vigor serving as a euphemism for demographic disaster.

      The advocates of hybrid vigor don’t want to look at these millions of real world examples of racial mixing, because to do so would destroy their pathetic misuse of the concept. They are reduced to juvenile cherry-picking of a few individuals, which prove absolutely nothing when we’re talking about broad population trends. They refute a claim that nobody is making – that somehow no mixed individual can be attractive, intelligent or capable. Clearly some can, but that’s not the point. When you have to ignore tens of millions of people in order to cherry-pick a handful of examples, I’d call that a problem.

      All of this goes to show their (your?) inherent dishonesty. Hybrid vigor is merely an excuse used by the not-so-bright to justify the destruction of white populations. It is never used against non-whites, only whites. As is so often the case, the person in question pretends to be one thing, but what they are is anti-white.

      The low IQ retards currently pouring into white nations are absolutely loaded with this wonderful “hybrid vigor.” According to the advocates of hybrid vigor, these orcs should be veritable supermen. They should be our superiors. Only they aren’t – they’re just orcs. Why are they fleeing to white countries, and pretty much only white countries? Why are their own nations, enriched with all of that wonderful hybrid vigor, such cesspools? Why aren’t they healthier, smarter and more attractive, on average, than the populations that lack hybrid vigor? Why is the reverse more likely to be true?

      Bottom line: I’ve never heard advocates of hybrid vigor even so much as mention the Coloured population of South Africa, or the mixed populations of South America. A real brain teaser, itz.

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      • The best examples being the Coloured population of South Africa (considered by some as being the most racially mixed/diverse population in the world), along with the teeming slums of Latin America. Of course, there are other real world examples. The Arab world has a lot of admixture too. Lots of “hybrid vigor” on display, with hybrid vigor serving as a euphemism for demographic disaster.

        IDK how those populations you cite would serve as prime examples of the kind of hybrid-vigor, i.e., miscegenation, you dreaded and were being taunted with earlier; if you did try to cite them as exemplars, you’d have to arbitrate on a lot of qualitative differences between those mixed populations, etc.

        for instance, if tomorrow every newborn baby in america was mixed, i don’t think what you’d create was comparable to Orania in South Africa or to a mixed favala in South America; i think you’re wildly speculating to think it would —– and in saying that, i’m not saying the American hybrid would be ‘better’, ‘worse’ or whatever in comparison; i just think it’s specious to think it would be comparable. I do concede those newborns would likely have a aggregate IQ between that of biracials and whites, and that you could speculate a bit more solidly from there, etc.

        One other thing: i think in SOME of these debates, things start off between two commenters in a adversarial tone, and from there the discussion easily seems mutually hostile, hence your interpretations as being ‘anti-white.’ Some certainly are —— borne out of envy, intimidation or whatever—- but some aren’t but understandably seem to me. For the record, I’m mixed and somewhat more identify with the black race (due to my random phenotype and overall visual effect) but i’m in no way whatsoever hostile or disparaging to whites. I value, of course, euro contributions to civilization and only wish they as valued by contemporary minorities as much as euros have appropriated certain minority culture characteristics, some good and some not-so-good, etc.

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      • correction: didn’t mean to say, simply, ‘orania;’ rather, i meant to note the ‘colored’ or ‘mixed’ enclave within or adjacent to Orania, but whose name I don’t recall at the moment, etc

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      • The reason that the advocates of racial mixing don’t discuss the vast mixed populations that already exist is simple: to do so would destroy their own argument. Reality is against them…so their solution is to simply ignore reality.

        The real world already has plenty of examples of mixed populations, and the results aren’t pretty. The Coloured population of South Africa and the mixed populations of the Latin American slums are, in my view, absolute tragedies. Only an insane, malevolent cretin would demand such a fate for the white population. To demand this fate for others is sinister, to want it for his own descendants is sheer lunacy.

        So who are the real haters? The anti-whites are possessed of a malevolent and nasty form of hatred that truly shocks the conscious. They are literally advocating genocide, and they do it with spite and glee, with malice aforethought. We white nationalists don’t share their dark, perverted malevolence. We seek our own survival as a people, nothing less and nothing more. Self-determination is the only solution.

        nikcrit: “…and in saying that, i’m not saying the American hybrid would be ‘better’, ‘worse’ or whatever in comparison; i just think it’s specious to think it would be comparable.”

        You’re really grasping at straws, nikcrit. Not surprising, as people tend to do that when reality is against them. The mixed populations already exist, and at scale. The evidence is already there. If the advocates of hybrid vigor (as they misapply the concept in support of white genocide) were correct, the facts would be different than what they are. That’s why, instead of looking at the large scale results of what they advocate, they prefer juvenile cherry-picking of famous individuals. Obama! Halle Berry!

        Reality – deal with it.

        nikcrit: “For the record, I’m mixed and somewhat more identify with the black race (due to my random phenotype and overall visual effect) but i’m in no way whatsoever hostile or disparaging to whites.”

        Nor am I hostile to you. I had guessed that you were racially mixed, or at least non-white, and I appreciate your honesty in confirming it. For me, this isn’t about any form of personal hostility. There are plenty of non-whites that I like on a personal level, and lord knows, plenty of whites that I despise. Two of the finest men I’ve ever known were black, and there is little that I wouldn’t do for them, or they for me. And one of the finest women that I’ve ever known was mixed (part white and part Japanese). Great girl.

        On the other side of the ledger, I’ll state that, generally speaking, I don’t like being around large numbers of blacks or non-whites. I’m not talking about the crime, the murders, the assaults, or even the ruined neighborhoods and schools, but rather the little things that fill up life. Blacks in particular tend to make a lot of noise, most of it grating on the white ear. Non-whites seem to generate a never ending assault on one’s aesthetic sensibilities. They don’t create the kinds of environments that I resonate with, however positively I may view certain individuals. In the final analysis, they just aren’t my people – I know this and they know this. Hatred doesn’t necessarily enter into it, though certainly it can. Personally, my hatred is largely reserved for the anti-whites, whatever their background.

        Cherry-picking doesn’t alter the larger reality. My people are being destroyed, and I will oppose that destruction, and call upon any decent person to do so as well. Racial mixture destroys us as a people, and the promotion of that mixing is a form of genocide. It is evil, and I will do what I can, however minor my contribution may be, in opposing that evil. The system is anti-white, and we must separate from it. Our survival as a people, our very existence, is non-negotiable.

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  28. PA: What you’re blind to is an even stronger state that engineers White male passivity to mixing. That state has spent quadrillions of dollars in propaganda and law enforcement just to keep the redneck from protecting his daughter from drift to mud.

    This is a core and binding claim in Alt-right complaint —— but what would be the motive for this? Who is doing this?
    The usual explanation is that it’s part of a globalist agenda, i.e., ‘anti-racism’ fuels a better political environ for globalism, etc..

    But how so? The economic climate and other imperatives for globalism aren’t terribly dependent on either racism or anti-racism; to the extent that are or ‘could be,’ the result wouldn’t be decisive.

    This is where i think the alt-right is blowing smoke; they don’t want to admit or believe that many fellow whites believe and live life within a creed of ‘anti-racism’ but are only doing so by unscrupulously clever methods by ‘the state.’

    So i ask once more: Who and how so? I’ve never gotten a good answer to that question.

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  29. PA,
    I don’t understand your non-reply; the point i’m implying is that, ultimately, the globalist agenda, or whatever the latest cabal term is and enemy may be, can proceed in both ‘racist’ and ‘anti-racist’ social climates; you neo-confederates sort-of fasten that fact on to your social complaints re. contemporary culture —— but when it comes to explaining your enemy’s cause and motives, you pull the jew-puppetmaster stuff out of the hat! So which is it?

    I say both ‘racist’ AND ‘anti-racist’ are genuine sentiments among the majority race in this country; genuine in that it’s not being necessarily manufactured and applied by forces from above —– and that you and yours find that fact troubling and inconvenient, in many ways.

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    • nikcrit: “the point i’m implying is that, ultimately, the globalist agenda, or whatever the latest cabal term is and enemy may be, can proceed in both ‘racist’ and ‘anti-racist’ social climates”

      For a simple but accurate approach, just follow the money. Ask yourself these questions: what ideas in our society get funded? What ideas in our society don’t get funded?

      The answers to these questions will tell you most of what you need to know about the position of the oligarchs.

      And by funded, I’m not talking about donations from individuals at the grass roots, but rather support at an institutional level. The institutions that the system elites use to fund and channel support to their favored causes, from the mega foundations and major political parties, to the media and university, all the way down to K-12 schools and various and sundry government agencies.

      Who gets the institutional dollars and support? Who doesn’t?

      Just follow the money, it’s easy if you try.

      The cause of white survival gets zero institutional support or funding. None. Nada. Zilch. On the other hand, “diversity” and the cause of white racial replacement get massive institutional support.

      There is no reasonable doubt when it comes to the agenda of the existing oligarchy. There is no brain teaser here, and no confusion. We can quibble all we like about underlying motives, but their actions are clear enough.

      It’s also not a conspiracy, as it operates in plain sight. The system openly demonizes anyone who advocates for the cause of white survival. We all know this. Everyone reading this knows perfectly well what will get them fired from their jobs. We all know the rules. We all know what side the institutions will back.

      The current system is clearly and obviously anti-white. Whether it *could* go another direction is immaterial at this point. The system has clearly cast its lot, and it’s for the anti-white position. Unless a meaningful section of whites can either overturn or break away from this system, it’s over. Separation is the only solution.

      Again, follow the money.

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    • nikcrit: “I say both ‘racist’ AND ‘anti-racist’ are genuine sentiments among the majority race in this country; genuine in that it’s not being necessarily manufactured and applied by forces from above”

      I gave a more thorough answer below, but the basic idea is that only one side – the anti-white side – is allowed to even make its case. Anyone who supports the cause of white survival is demonized by the anti-white system and, if possible, reduced to a bread crumb.

      This is not merely a fair market of ideas, where some people happen to choose the “racist” option while others happen to choose the “anti-racist” option. That’s ludicrous. We don’t live in some sort of libertarian paradise, and portraying the situation as such is a gross misrepresentation.

      The reality is as such: one side has every major institution (and almost all minor institutions) making its case, every minute of every hour of every day. The other side is in the position of samizdat, desperately getting the truth out in an anti-white system, utilizing what few venues are open to it, and without any institutional funding or support whatsoever. As I explain below, follow the money.

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  30. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

    Evolution is a multi-dimensional, duel purposed, concurrent redundancy and creativity engine forged by the fires of 5 major extinction events. It is capable of all things. Praise Jebus.

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  31. Trainspotter, et. al,
    A couple of my responses never posted; i.e., my above ‘orania’ edit appeared —– but not the comment that my edit was meant to correct. sorry, but i don’t know what’ws up.

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  32. You’re really grasping at straws, nikcrit. Not surprising, as people tend to do that when reality is against them. The mixed populations already exist, and at scale. The evidence is already there. If the advocates of hybrid vigor (as they misapply the concept in support of white genocide) were correct, the facts would be different than what they are.

    No. You either misinterpreted what I said or over-presume the intent of my point, which is: you cannot look to the favelas of South America or the ‘colored’ regioins of South Africa and from there posit what a b-w ‘biracial American zone’ or however one might put that circumstance, would be like in terms of quality of life.

    I mean, the differences between Brazilian favelas and colored regions of South Africa are vast, and most certainly for reasons both of ‘nature’ and of ‘nurture’—–that was my initial point, and that was the extent of my initial point. There are many probable differences you’d have to calculate in any comparative study worthy of the claim, but first in my mind would be the differing ‘group psychology’ levels among mixed populations here, in South America and in South Africa (for instance); (think “smart-fraction theory’ in terms of racial group development level and then try imagining the different levels of that fraction in those three regions, etc.)

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    • nikcrit: “No. You either misinterpreted what I said or over-presume the intent of my point, which is: you cannot look to the favelas of South America or the ‘colored’ regioins of South Africa and from there posit what a b-w ‘biracial American zone’ or however one might put that circumstance, would be like in terms of quality of life.”

      Let’s stay focused, nikcrit. You’re shifting around here, and mixing the original topic with something completely different. The issue we were discussing was hybrid vigor, and how some anti-whites misuse that concept as an excuse to justify white genocide. Surely you’re not saying that hybrid vigor magically and miraculously doesn’t apply when whites mix with non-whites in South Africa or Latin America, but magically and miraculously does apply if whites mix in North America? That would be an absurd claim, ludicrous on its face.

      If the advocates of hybrid vigor were correct, the results of racial mixing would be different than they are – everywhere. It shouldn’t matter what continent it takes place on.

      According to the liars (those who try to use hybrid vigor to justify white genocide), the Coloured population should be superior to the white population of South Africa. Hybrid vigor should make them healthier, smarter, and more capable. Only it doesn’t. There are entire nations that are mixed, pretty much from top to bottom. Are they healthier, smarter, and more capable? Again, not at all. In fact, the reverse is true. The results aren’t pretty.

      The evidence already exists, at scale. The advocates of white genocide studiously ignore this evidence, preferring instead to engage in juvenile cherry-picking of celebrities. Reality is against them, so in true Orwellian fashion, they simply ignore and evade reality. They are sinister, scummy people, but they fit right in with a multiracial society, where lying is the norm.

      Tell the truth, have your life destroyed. Tell a lie, get a gold star. Welcome to the new normal. Ain’t it grand?

      If you want to shift the focus to something else, fine. Sure, a mixed United States would be somewhat different than a mixed slum of Brazil, because the particular genetic stew would differ in terms of ingredients, and of course there would be a host of external factors that would result in various distinctions. But it would still represent the destruction of the white population, and the replacement of that population by something both different and far more dysfunctional.

      We are a people, and we have a right not to be genocided out of existence, even if the advocates of hybrid vigor were correct. But they aren’t correct. They are shamelessly lying.

      The bottom line is that we were discussing the hybrid vigor claim as it applies to the racial mixing of whites (particularly with blacks and browns), and the evidence is already in. The hybrid vigor claim, as it is being used by anti-whites, is clearly, demonstrably, provably false. People that use it are either ignorant or dishonest. Mostly the latter.

      Separation is the only solution.

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  33. RE: follow the money

    Ok, but the money trail only confirms my initial challenge of a question I posed to you and PA: if there’s a strong ‘antiracist’ consensus among forces powerful in terms of making society move forward, and yet a ‘globalist agenda’ could thrive in ‘racist’ or ‘antiracist’ social orders, then why would those powers be so uniformly in favor of and committed to advancing a strictly ‘antiracist’ society, and thus wield all that financial clout accordingly?
    Why bother with all that?

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    • I already answered that question in a pithy line upthread.

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    • nikcrit: “Why bother with all that?”

      You might want to consider what sorts of people make up a disproportionate share of the oligarchy. Hint: they ain’t us. They feel absolutely no connection, affinity or affection for us. The motivations of YKW are not all that difficult to grasp, and for someone with a deeper interest in the subject, they should read the books of Kevin MacDonald for a scholarly treatment. And of course, there are plenty of white traitors willing to help them out.

      I’ll also clarify a couple of points, to help clear up some confusion. Firstly, you keep using the term antiracist. That’s inaccurate, and leads to misunderstanding. I and others here have gone to great pains to explain that the system is not anti-racist, it is anti-white. It’s a meaningful distinction.

      The oligarchy is willfully and intentionally pursuing a policy of reducing whites to minority status, and blending whites out with assimilation. The system denies that whites have any right to continuity, and openly demonizes dissenters. We all understand what the rules are, and the consequences for breaking them.

      That’s what the system is actually, demonstrably, observably DOING. As I explain above, follow the money. It’s easy to see which side the institutions, all of them, are on.

      And again, this is not a conspiracy, as it operates in plain sight. The system makes its position clear, and demands that whites applaud their own dispossession on our journey to an inevitable brown future. Why do you have such a hard time accepting that the system means what it says, and that it actually intends to do what it is observably, provably doing?

      Separation is the only solution.

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  34. You might want to consider what sorts of people make up a disproportionate share of the oligarchy. Hint: they ain’t us.

    Ahhhh, we’re back to the catchall answer whenever there’s a bit of uncertainty: the ‘You-Know-Whos’ are behind it!

    I already answered that question in a pithy line upthread.

    How do you figure? I’m asking this: if it’s in whites best interest to separate and not be ‘anti-racist’ in the way the term is used disparagingly here by the alt-right (which is how I used the term earlier, Trainspotter) AND such a belief doesn’t hinder the agenda of globalist elitists, then why do said elites persist in pushing an ‘anti-racist’ or ‘muticultural’, if you will, culture and belief system?

    Neither of you answered that question, and I respectfully submit to Trainspotter that it is he who is avoiding the repeated question in our exchange.

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    • nikcrit: “Ahhhh, we’re back to the catchall answer whenever there’s a bit of uncertainty: the ‘You-Know-Whos’ are behind it!”

      Just pointing out the facts, nikcrit. YKW are a disproportionate part of the system, and the system is observably and provably anti-white. You can take those facts and make of them what you will. Facts are facts, everything else is conjecture – though some forms of conjecture are far more reasonable than others.

      nikcrit: “..why do said elites persist in pushing an ‘anti-racist’ or ‘muticultural’, if you will, culture and belief system?”

      Why don’t you ask them? As for me, I’m more interested in observable fact and reality. I’m more interested in what the system demonstrably, provably does. The system is anti-white. It is quite clear which side the system’s institutions are on. The system is fairly open about reducing white populations to minority status, and blending whites out through assimilation. We are expected to applaud our own dispossession, and relish the journey to our inevitable brown future. Dissenters are demonized.

      This is really happening, nikcrit, it’s not just a television show. It’s the real world.

      nikcrit: “Neither of you answered that question, and I respectfully submit to Trainspotter that it is he who is avoiding the repeated question in our exchange.”

      We aren’t avoiding anything – you are. We started out with your challenging me on the issue of hybrid vigor. I brought up real world examples of mixed populations (the Coloured population of South Africa, the mixed populations of South America), providing clear evidence that the anti-whites are misapplying the concept of hybrid vigor, whether out of ignorance or dishonesty. I didn’t engage in cherry-picking, but instead used legitimate examples where whites have engaged in large scale racial mixing with non-whites, particularly blacks and browns. The results aren’t pretty.

      I also pointed out that, right now, these wonderful examples of hybrid vigor are fleeing their cesspools (how could they ever tear themselves away from countries already enriched with hybrid vigor?) and attempting to break into white countries. Wow, that hybrid vigor must be great. We clearly need more of it.

      You then proceed to ignore all of this. You don’t want to compare those mixed populations to white populations, because the results don’t suit you. If the results did suit you, you’d be all over it, shouting it to the heavens.

      Instead, you make some rather bizarre statements that seem to amount to this: somehow, magically I suppose, hybrid vigor doesn’t occur when whites mix in Africa or South America, but magically it will occur in North America. Hybrid vigor now only occurs on some continents, but not on others. LOL! Come on, man. Talk about ignoring reality. (this representation of your position may be a little unfair…but not by much)

      Further, you keep ignoring what the system is actually DOING, where the funding is going, who gets the institutional support and dollars, who is demonized and who isn’t. Who gets to make their case constantly, and who is reduced to a samizdat level.

      While it’s perfectly legitimate to ask *why* this is being done, that doesn’t change or refute the fact that it *is* being done. Why did Jeffrey Dahmer do what he did? I don’t know…but he did it. My failure to comprehend his sick motivations does not alter the fact that he did what he did. Similarly, the system is doing what it’s doing, whether you understand the why of it all or not.

      And finally, when given the why of it all, you just dismiss it out of hand. You don’t refute it, because you can’t. You just shrug it off and ignore it, like you do with other issues.

      You’ve been given plenty of answers, nikcrit, you just don’t like those answers. You can’t refute them…but you don’t like them. It’s really that simple.

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  35. The oligarchy is willfully and intentionally pursuing a policy of reducing whites to minority status, and blending whites out with assimilation. The system denies that whites have any right to continuity, and openly demonizes dissenters.

    See, this condenses my question: if ‘the oligarchy’ are global corporate elitists, as has been contended here often, but such an agenda could thrive in both a pro-white or anti-white social climate, then why the push either way?

    I agree there is a lot of spiteful, anti-white rhetoric, though I don’t equate with genocide; in fact, I think the ‘ruling forces,’ or however you might put ’em, are white and are greatly dependent on white culture, ingenuity and innovation, etc.

    In short, I think both ‘pro-white’ and ‘anti-white’ sentiments are common and often overlap in confused displays of populist American political sentiment; “Cathedral” sentiment has both good and bad intentions, but that the will for a segregated and racially separate culture or overall ‘ethnostate’ is weak to non-existent and is so because of genuine conviction, not top-down deployed ‘groupthink,’ which the alt-right often contends but never proves.

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    • nikcrit: “..but that the will for a segregated and racially separate culture or overall ‘ethnostate’ is weak to non-existent and is so because of genuine conviction, not top-down deployed ‘groupthink,’ which the alt-right often contends but never proves.”

      Apparently, the system disagrees with you. It does not take a libertarian approach to the racial issue. Instead, it expends enormous efforts promoting racial mixing, and it does this with a vast leviathan of propaganda, legal penalties, public and private institutions, media, financial incentives, etc. It systematically demonizes pro-white dissenters. It only allows one side of the issue – the anti-white side – to be taught or promulgated in any of its institutions, which pretty much means all institutions of any significance, down to the local elementary school.

      In contrast, the cause of white survival has to operate as a somewhat updated form of samizdat. Zero institutional funding or support – only punishment. No carrots, only sticks, which leaves idealistic men and women who struggle for a cause greater than their narrow private interests. The cause of our people and its survival.

      But let’s create a white ethnostate and find out for certain. Let each person make their own choice. If you’re right, nobody will move there. If I’m right, lots of whites will.

      Spoiler alert: I’m right. You may not believe that, but it’s pretty obvious that the system disagrees with you – which is why it demonizes the white cause so harshly. You may not see the threat, but the system certainly does.

      Separation is the only solution, so let’s have a meaningful and free choice. If you really believe your own line, nikcrit, you’ll support us. You can then open the popcorn, pop open a beer, sit back and chuckle with glee when nobody moves there.

      But, truthfully, we both know you’d be in for a real disappointment. And as that happens, you can stutter “But…but…what about hybrid vigor?!? How could those stupid whites walk away from all that hybrid vigor??”

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  36. While it’s perfectly legitimate to ask *why* this is being done, that doesn’t change or refute the fact that it *is* being done. Why did Jeffrey Dahmer do what he did? I don’t know…but he did it. My failure to comprehend his sick motivations does not alter the fact that he did what he did. Similarly, the system is doing what it’s doing, whether you understand the why of it all or not.

    No. I didn’t push for hybrid vigor; I just assert that your projection was very speculative; furthermore, to your defense, I suggested that it was fair to posit that such an American hybrid culture would likely have an IQ between the avg. American white and black IQ, from there making certain posits more valid, etc.

    As for your “what-is-being-done-vs-why-is-it-being-done?”-riff above, all i’m saying is this: The alt-right claims that a multi-culti, alt-right, or however you may put it leftist agenda is imposed; I’m saying that ruling elite’s objective is financial and could be implemented as easily in a ‘racist’ culture as it could an ‘anti-racist’ culture, therefore the ‘anti-racist’ impulse is inculcated at more of a folk level and isn’t as top-down imposed as you and other on the alt-right claim. I’m saying now and concluded in my last comment: the ‘anti-racist’ impulse in today’s culture is more genuinely rooted in the individual than you and others at sites like these often claim (or however one might put it; i’m not claiming total uniformity of thought on the ‘right’ or the ‘left,’ etc., ad infinitum).

    And if you accept that, in part or whole, then that changes a lot of other alt-right presumptions.

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    • nikcrit: “I didn’t push for hybrid vigor; I just assert that your projection was very speculative”

      It’s not speculative, but based on extensive real world evidence, at scale and without cherry-picking. Those who use the concept of hybrid vigor to justify white genocide are either ignorant or shamelessly lying. They ignore the clear evidence, and clear results, of large scale mixing of whites with blacks and browns.

      nikcrit: “therefore the ‘anti-racist’ impulse is inculcated at more of a folk level and isn’t as top-down imposed as you and other on the alt-right claim”

      Well, the fact is that the top-down institutions, all of them, are promoting the anti-white agenda, and punishing and demonizing dissenters. Our side can’t even make our case, except at the level of samizdat. Those are facts. That’s not a free society or a free choice.

      At the anecdotal level, I’m just old enough (Gen X) to have personally witnessed the transition from pretty much zero interracial dating to it becoming fairly common. From what I saw, the change didn’t occur organically through the “folk.” Most “folk” thought it was absolutely disgusting. The change was promoted (and enforced) from the top-down, not the bottom-up.

      But let’s find out for certain, by creating a white ethnostate, with real institutions that can promote our message and put forth a different vision of the future. Let’s give people a real choice.

      If things were as you say, nikcrit, the system wouldn’t have to do one percent of what it’s doing to promote multiracialism. But they aren’t, and so it does.

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  37. Separation is the only solution, so let’s have a meaningful and free choice. If you really believe your own line, nikcrit, you’ll support us. You can then open the popcorn, pop open a beer, sit back and chuckle with glee when nobody moves there.

    Look. I’m sort-of the interloper here, and we’re already off-topic, but let me just ask: what makes you think I’m disputing your specific point here? What I said neither does nor implies as much.

    So, I’ll be a good sport and agree: yes, if a ‘either-or’ choice was imposed and enforced in which one could choose to live in either an all-and-only-black environment or an all-and-only-white environment, yes, I concede the white one would be the more popular choice among whites.

    That proves nothing in terms of what we argued, but like I said: I AM a guest here. lolzz.

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  38. But let’s create a white ethnostate and find out for certain. Let each person make their own choice. If you’re right, nobody will move there. If I’m right, lots of whites will.

    total speculation on my part, but let’s say the fed govt. allotted, say, Utah and Wyoming and half of Montana, for a white ethnostate: I would guess —– operative word being ‘guess’ —– that about 10% to 15% of the existing U.S. white population would want to move there; could be higher, could be lower — again, I imagine the particulars of residency (type of local govt.; tax code; education system, etc.) would greatly influence that percentage willing to move there.

    Total guess; no need to flame me on this one, as I could be totally wrong.

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    • nikcrit: “total speculation on my part, but let’s say the fed govt. allotted, say, Utah and Wyoming and half of Montana, for a white ethnostate: I would guess —– operative word being ‘guess’ —– that about 10% to 15% of the existing U.S. white population would want to move there”

      Hard to say, but I don’t think that’s an unreasonable guess – for starters. I’d tweak it a bit, by pointing out that large numbers of whites still live in overwhelmingly white areas, and therefore would have less incentive to pick up and move, at least in the short run. The joys of diversity and hybrid vigor have not destroyed their areas, at least for now. They have careers, property, businesses, family and friends. The fact that they wouldn’t immediately wish to move to a white homeland doesn’t at all mean that they support or prefer multiracialism. It more likely means that they are willing to tolerate a degree of diversity for other reasons.

      But as the United States continues to decline, becoming more and more dysfunctional – crasser and dumber – more whites would find the homeland attractive. As more whites move to the homeland, and by definition the rest of the country becomes even blacker and browner, still more whites would want to move there.

      That’s how residential segregation at the micro level happens, and eventually a diverse neighborhood tends to go one way or the other, perhaps ending up all black, brown, asian, homosexual, or whatever. Few people want to leave their homes, connections and memories, but it still happens in time. It’s a gradual process.

      There are the whites (this applies to other groups as well) who get out early, and then there are those that try to hang on – not because they like or endorse the change in their neighborhood, but because they have other reasons to stay. But gradually, even the holdouts find the new situation to be less and less tenable. Every white that moves out makes the situation less sustainable, and less appealing, for the whites that remain.

      That’s why the system has to oppose balkanization, because once the process begins in earnest, it naturally feeds upon and propels itself. And it’s not just whites who are pushed out of their neighborhoods. For example, there are plenty of places where mestizos have pushed out blacks. The races may differ, but the process is essentially the same – the early leavers, followed by a gradual reduction of the holdouts, as the neighborhood is gradually terraformed to be more attractive to the newcomers, and less attractive to the original residents.

      The newcomers, as is perfectly natural, gear the environment to themselves. The original residents, as is natural, would prefer to live in an environment that is geared to their own preferences. The result: voluntary segregation, though few would openly call it that.

      nicrit: “Total guess; no need to flame me on this one, as I could be totally wrong.”

      Not flaming you. All in all, you’ve been reasonably fair in the discussion, and I’ve tried to be as well. I’ll say this, though. Our society actively demonizes those people that give the *wrong* answers on questions of race. The pro-white side is actively suppressed, outside of the samizdat model. In such a society, it becomes more and more difficult to determine what people really believe, because they have been intensively trained to give the *right* answer, regardless of what their actual beliefs are. I’d guess that if you went back to the Soviet Union circa 1988, you’d still have found large numbers of people on the street who claimed to believe in communism. That was the *right* answer to give at the time, so that’s probably what they gave. And then the world changed.

      So look at what people actually do, not what they say. When someone claims that diversity is wonderful, but it turns out that they live in an overwhelmingly white neighborhood, (which they had to pay a premium to live in, and could have gotten the same house for cheaper in a diverse area), that should set some alarm bells off. The person isn’t being honest with you, for one reason or another. It could be that they are just trying to avoid problems or hurting someone’s feelings, or it could be for a malevolent purpose. But either way, they are probably lying if their words are in obvious conflict with their actions and choices.

      In contrast, you can disagree with what I’ve said, but I’ve played it straight. A rare commodity these days!

      Separation is the only solution.

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  39. But as the United States continues to decline, becoming more and more dysfunctional – crasser and dumber – more whites would find the homeland attractive. As more whites move to the homeland, and by definition the rest of the country becomes even blacker and browner, still more whites would want to move there.

    I suppose that is true, as I see much in the same light. Though I do think that ‘crasser and dumber’ element spans all the main races; (the emerging Idiocracy is a rainbow coalition!).

    I’m slightly encouraged that the most dysgenic aspects of the US census are declining in number or at least stagnant; the black underclass is not growing in number though illegal immigrants are despite deportations being up. I think if you could wave a wand and stop all illegal immigration today and also up white population replacement, most of the country’s demographic swing (and problem) would be corrected.

    In contrast, you can disagree with what I’ve said, but I’ve played it straight. A rare commodity these days!

    I don’t, beyond our main recurring disagreement as to the specific source of ‘anti-racist,’ ‘multi-culti’ sentiment; I also think it’s easy to assume one’s personal relationship to an issue to be universal. For instance, I live a fairly ‘multi-culti’ life and my fellow ascribers aren’t doing as much reluctantly or in any way falsely and under pressure —— but then that makes sense, given my ethnic demographics and formative experience, as does you to yours, etc.

    I do think there’s some merit to discussions like these; I understand that the divide is fixed and forevermore; i only wish for a bit more candor and reality in place of all the caricature and ‘straw-manning’ that characterize so many of these discussions; p.c. sanctimony slowly kills us all, advocates and dissenters alike!

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