The Pretty Girl’s Dilemma

A (possibly foreign) girl writes about a dilemma that should be familiar to any pretty woman with dreams of alpha males pledging devotion dancing in her bed,

I am writing to ask you a question related to dating and marriage. Just what you wanted to and so rarely hear 🙂 First, to introduce myself, I am what most men would rate as an 8, or on a really good day perhaps a 9, [ed: legit] am 26, and really only date alpha males. I can’t help it, I like the fire that can burn me. My last two boyfriends were both extremely charismatic, successful, magnetic et al and I spent a year with each before I realized they had something in common: aversion to marriage. Both were around 33, an age when many men begin to consider that stuff, in my opinion. My question is this:

As I am 26 and not going to be more attractive in five years, and I would like to get married within that time frame, how do I go about eschewing the alphas who are not interested in me for marriage? Should I start directing my attentions to the ones around 40 and up? Right now I can have my pick of most men, though it will not always remain thus, but as alphas are harder to marry than other men and commitment is what I want, should I redirect my attentions towards betas?

Of course perhaps it was just me that neither wanted to marry, but it was the reason for both breakups, and really I would rather not waste my time/energy/looks/emotions on men who just want to enjoy me for a year or two….

Anyway I appreciate you taking the time to read this and if you decide to post this and answer it on your website, feel free to, but please alter my name. Thanks 🙂

A critical detail remains unanswered: Did you initiate your break-ups with the last two alpha boyfriends? If not, you are probably dating out of your league — that is, you are fucking men who don’t think you have the goods to persuade them of an early retirement from the field — and the men decided your marital ultimatum, or innuendos of marital ultimatums to come, was a cramping of their style they couldn’t tolerate. So they dumped you while the dumping was good.

If, however, you did initiate the break-ups, it suggests your exes thought well enough of you to stick it out for as long as possible, holding out the hope of nuptial rewards until you called their deceptive feints. In this scenario, you are not dating out of your league so much as you are experiencing what it’s like to be with men who have the hearts of cads, but love you nonetheless.

My advice, should you choose to accept it:

Yes, dating older men is a solution. An older alpha male begins to feel two pressing awarenesses: his posterity, and his mortality. In this psychological stew, the love of a younger, loyal woman beckoning him to surrender his bachelor freedoms is a temptation hard to resist. But, if this is not an option…

Pursue the greater beta male. Often, the only notable differences between an alpha male and a greater beta male are the former’s superior charisma and the latter’s superior commitment. If you can suffer the even-temper and placid mood of the greater beta for his gift of marital capitulation, you will live a happy life. If not, prepare for my final piece of advice…

Continue your Sisyphean quest for the magnetic alpha male who inflames your ichor yet who is also willing to abide your peculiarly female constraints on his vital energies. These men do exist, but they’re rare. Not quite phantoms, but you’ll have to hunt them down. To start, you must identify warning signs of flightiness, and hopeful auspices of lifelong devotion.

– Is he a social king? The man who holds court, holds the love of many women. Try to date men who are less extroverted. The alpha introvert is socialy savvy, but he also prefers his solitude. This desire for solitude is correlated with conscientiousness, low impulsivity, and affinity for home and hearth.

– Are his parents still together (if alive)? The faithful apple doesn’t fall far from the tree of fidelity. Don’t underestimate the influence of genes on behavior.

– Has he dated and dumped a lot of beautiful women? Red flag.

– Are you better looking than his exes? You may be the one to quell his urge to wander.

– Is he willing to wait more than three dates before having sex with you? Hopeful auspice.

– Does he go out of his way to learn things about you? He’s smitten. (Or he’s a grandmaster player.)

– Does he have a (big) dog? He’s got an incipient paternal instinct.

– Is he politically conservative? If so, he’s more likely to want to marry and raise a family.

– Are his friends womanizers? He’s sympatico with the swinging scimitar lifestyle.

– Is he an epicurean of food, drink and art? He might also be an epicurean of women.

This is a partial list to get you started. One other thing. Beware prowlers bearing charming wit. Unlike men you meet within your social circle, the lone wolf does not come favorably endorsed nor does he fear betraying your friends’ trust.





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  1. on August 25, 2013 at 3:07 pm immoralgables

    For some reason that felt like I was reading it out of a Robert Greene book.

    Nice work.

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    • on August 25, 2013 at 4:37 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzoozozozo

      if a woman wantsz to get marriedsz all she needsz do is repeal the divorce lawsz and abolish da criminal fmaily courtsz which cseize a man’z assetts after two alphasz seized her 25 and 26 year old ass and benrnrnankifed her when she was younger hotter tighter and thrity pounds loghtzerszzz lighterztztz

      tick tock tick tock goes her biological clock
      as in out in out goesz da condomized gbfm cock
      tick tock tick tock she wastes her yearsz giving her ass
      as in out in out da cockas go until the alpha says “pass!”

      lzlzoozllozlzlzllozlzlo

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      • I do like to finish a good butthexing with “You’ve been Bernakified…biatch!!!!”

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      • Heartiste: “Is he an epicurean of food, drink and art? He might also be an epicurean of women.”

        Oops.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 9:37 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        GBFM ECOnOMICZ MAXIM # 1:

        A woman’s courtship value is equal or less than the lowest price she ever gave her pussy away for. lzozozoz

        After a woman has had a one-night stand
        or given her pussy for free
        her courtship value
        is 0.
        or less than 0.

        As why would you want to be the guy
        who pays for what others got when it was younger hotter tighter
        forty pounds lighter
        for freeee?

        lzozlzozlzzo

        After a woman passes 25, whence she has generally been buttcocked numerous times and desouled, her courtship value is negative. It is the woman, who is now wired fiat bernanke cash and allowed to excel in fiat bernanke programs that drug up and dumb down boyz while deocntsructing da GREAT BOOKS 4 MENZ and creating far more debt than wealth while bankruping the West morally amnd moneetarily, who must pay the man so as to court him.

        For a 25 year old multi-buttocked, desouled, bernankifed woman represents a huge risk to a man’s livelihood, his time, his conscience, his soul, his future earnings, and his general well-being. And the man must be compensated justly so as to have to court a woman over 25 who has been buttcocked and deousled and converted by the cenrta; bankerz into a vehicle of welath transfer lzozlz so dey could convert their masisve fiat debt into physical property by leveraging a woman’s sexuality for prviate profit gains while placing all teh risksz on good menz zlozzllz.

        lzolzolzozozozozoz

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 9:07 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        heartiztze! hearrateitsstez!!! DA GBFM has come cumz to save da DAYZZ!!!

        ytour friendz 26 year old future spinsterz should sign up for onlinez datingz and search for da GBFM’sz profile at match.com/oldsnatch.com lzozozloz

        lozozozoz DA GBFM’S ONLINE DATINGZ PROFILEZ LZOzozlzozlzozlzoz

        lzozlzzzzo da GBFM dont no online datetz as A) i have not eneouch cockeasz to handaled all da psuusysys pusysys pusysysy dat come my way in real life in da coffee shopd shich i call starfuckszx as da GBFM is da fuckstatr in da coffe shop lzlzozo beoyenend faacebook and buttcobook and assbook lzlzozl and 2) der is too much risk dat her picturez was taken when she was hotter, younger tighter thirty pounds lighter dureing the commencnemnt of her massive cock carosuslel crusade and bountiful buttcocking battlez zzoozoz so da GBFM letsz da betasz pay da oldsnatch.com datng feez to look @ a chix pre-bernankifed photoso zlzozlzoozozoz

        but here woudld be my profielz if da GBFM did onlinez date: lzozoz

        GBFM SEEKSZ TIGTHT PUSYSYSYIZYOSUSOUSSIUOJZOZzlzlzlzlzoz

        TITLE: LOTSAS COCKAS 4U 2 serve ur ginatinglelzlzol but not buttztingzlzlzolzoz
        “my name is da gbfm of worldwide fame and renown. i don’t buttcockz cause my cockas too big and ur anus (not da planet uranus lzozzlz) is likely too small, unless u have been buttcocked many timez, in which case you have been bernnakififed and deosuled & ur anus IS likely big as da planet URANUS lzozozo and i don’t no waannna gina cock you no more as u are proabably as a big a pain in da ass as da pain in uranus ass from all da buttccokingz during your cock carsoule crusisidng days of whorey glory zlzlzoozo.

        my ideaz of an idealsz date is to talk about da GREAT BOOKZ FOR MENZ which menasz dat u shut up and da GBFM doesz all da talkingz cause we know womenz never read homer’s iliad nor odyssey notr bible on their own (Except dey be fmeinists frankfurt schools deocntsructing da great books instead of respecting da GBFM’s frankfurter in der mouth lzoozlzoz), but womenz only readz vampire gina-tingly butt-tingly crap like twilight and julia prostsititute roberts book eat, prey, butthext”

        even dough my last seneveenteen girlz complained dat da GBFM is soooo complicated, my ruels rulez arez simple:
        bring da movbiez = lostas cokas 4u
        bring no movies = no cockasz 4u

        P.S. and please pelasez please i beg of you do not waste da GBFM’s precious itme. time. pleasez post up-tod-ate picture of you TODAY! do NOT post pictures of you when you were younger hotter tighter and fifty pounds lighter back in da day when you were givingz it up for free 2 all da buttccokerz in your bernkifiing dorm of student debt and anal debaucheyr lzlzoz as da debt was augmented in sectrieve meethingsz of da fed and da nauth violted in sectrely taped buttcheidnt sessionz zlzl, and pretending dat because you were once hot da GBFM now owes u moneysz to get down on what you gave away for free before u contrtced dat STD. lzozolzolzoo

        i like to travel, and we can travel togethers. i will travel form da bedroom to da couch to play grand theft autoz, while youwill travel from da bed to da kitchen to make da GBFM a morning omelelete with lotssa cheddar cheese but not form between your kness zlzlozlzlo

        if u are thirty and have had ur fun and r looking to “get serious,” then please get serious! da gbfm ain’t no backcup beta nor da last branch you can grab as you fall from da tree of your sexual peak in your early twentietsz which you wasted on lsostas cockas riding da cock carousleuesz. and now u see da GBFM’s massive lotsas cockas and mistake it for a thick tree branch u can grab on just beofree you hit da ground of eterna spinterhood zlozlzolzolzo causez da gbfm don’t give no cockasz to dose dat have “had their fun,” bt only does fresh young hot tight tights who r having funz zlozozoz

        when you comtact me please include:
        how many pounds u have gained since your profile picture was taken (rounded to nearest tens of poundsz lzozlzl).

        how many timez you have been bernnakified via:
        how many cockasz u have taken in da buttholzizo since your profile picture was taken.
        how many pounds u have *REALLY* gained since your profile picture was taken.
        how many cockasz u have taken in da ginazizo since your profile picture was taken.
        how many cockasz u have taken in da mouthollzizo since your profile picture was takenz.

        i know dat you wills undertted your bernifiaction numbers by a factor of 5 or more in da same way da fed undesrsrtated inflationz, so i have my eocnomistsz grad stdudnets muiltiply your ansers by 5 lzoozozoz so if you sayou have been bernankkekified 10 timesz we will know it was at least fifty and proebeleeby more zlzoozozoz u do da mathz lzozoz

        da gbfm looks forwards to meetingz youz and may r luvz last 4eever or at leats until da gbfm has cumed zlzlzloz sploododeged zlzlzlozo whichever cumsz firts zlzlzolzozozlzoz

        RELIGION: Chruchcianz, as I beelieve dat JEuss will frogive forgive you and ur hot sister for our threesomsznz lzlzlzlzlzo & u will be made whoel and good as new and can still mary a beta providerz and prey to jesus 2 heal heal ur sore buttholiolozlz and bring a good man ur wya zlzozlolzo

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      • GBFM does some pretty good first dates. I recorded this one.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 9:52 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzolzozozo

        fuck 26 year old multi-cocked gold-diggingz pre-spinsterz womenz who are over the hill lzozolzozozozo

        can she twerk? can they do this:

        ?????

        zlzozozozooz zbutetehxt zlzlzlzozo

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 9:58 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        why woudlz any man wnat to pay for a pre-butccoeked multi-giancocked 26 year oldz eosuledz womenz cum pretend prude turned prude now becaus eshe wants your moneys ?

        why not trade in her loose gina wallz and leakkeey bingholzizkzozloz for a younger model which miley cyrus is training to act like a real womenz: when dzllzlzoz as miley cyrus twerks twerkesz twerksz starting at around 3:30?

        lzozozzllzoz

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 7:16 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozozozoz why would anybodyz want to marry a used-up has beenz americanz womenz who has fornicated and fornicated and fornicated and fucked and sucked dudes who came in her mouth, ass, and cunt and then kicked her to the curb?

        she won’t even make you dinner as an american/bernnakifedz women, and even if she did, all you could tink about would be the “alpha” cum dribbling of her chin as she ate her vegan salad with creamy white italaian cum dressing zlzolzolzozo.

        didn’t she listen to jesus and moses when they said “ythou shalt not commit adultery?”

        she had her chance, but she fucked it up.

        lostas castz for her.

        hadn’t she read da GBFM’s prophexy prophecyisis?

        “da professional womenz ode”

        SPECIAL WEDDING EDITION

        alpha fucks and beta bucks
        dat is how we roll
        da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
        and in our anuthes it doth deosul
        alpha fucks and beta bucks
        it is da way of da fed
        to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
        cuckold dose who pay for our bread
        beta bucks and alpha fucks
        it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
        da assetts from betas we plucks
        after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
        lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz

        SPECIAL EDITION WEDDING CHORUS lzozozozo

        i gave it 4 free when i was younger hotter tighter
        back in college when i was thirty pounds lighter
        can’t hardly wait to butthext yyou in divorce court
        and have you fund my favorite buttehxtual sport
        gonna buy sexy lingerie with all dat alimonee
        fuck & suck alpha cocks as ur beta cock is just 4 pee
        tee hee hee teee heee heee l
        tee hee hee teee heee heee !
        i’m da modern liberated womanz
        i buttehxt before and after marriage
        and during it too, but not with you
        but with the father of da baby in da carriage
        lzozozzlozoz

        cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
        datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
        as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
        and say da great books for menz was all fools.
        yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
        dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats

        zlzlzzozozozo

        zlzoozozozozo

        i tried to warnz ya but you musta had a cok in your ear zlzlzozozo

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      • GBFM, the Great Horned LOLZEBUB.

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 10:46 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        da gbfm is a great cornhozlzizolzlzlzl

        zllzzzlzlzozlzoz

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    • Sigh….i think I know exactly who the girl writing this letter to CH is. I won’t say anything, although, I hope she gets her answers and makes the right choices.

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      • Perhaps there is hope, although I would not count on it.

        The great trap of the “sexual revolution” was to delude women into thinking they could get a commitment from an alpha. It’s hard to accomplish, and unlikely to persist.

        Just look at Hollywood. Somebody who can get a steady stream of fresh 20 year old 9’s lusting after him will not stay attached to even a 10 for long. He will not put up with the work of a real relationship when by setting his sights just a little lower, he can get a new 9 into his bed whenever the old 9 starts getting difficult.

        My only advice to a woman who wants a relationship, is to find a man who will fall in love with you, love him back, and drop any friend who disparages him with “You can do better”.

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      • I just commented below about what you say, but it’s caught in moderation.

        The sexual revolution made pussy cheap. Rare things fetch more. Readily available things don’t.

        When women waited until the wedding night to have sex, men proposed. In today’s sexual climate, why should any man with options propose? Most women nowadays don’t have what it take to secure a marriage proposal from an exceptional high-value man that all other women want, because pussy is so cheap.

        Therefore, I’m not sure she could do anything about getting an alpha to marry her. A girl really has to be an exceptional woman herself, the kind her man doesn’t want to lose or can’t stand to see with another. It’s really a very tall order. Most modern women don’t have what it takes to pull this off.

        My advice to her is exactly as you recommend. I suggested she should wait to have sex before she succumbs. Let him get highly infatuated and lusty for her, which is the road to falling in love. Stretch out the courtship, before she goes all the way. This will give them both a chance to fall in love with each other.

        Regarding the disparaging friends, this is a very important issue. Single men often get in the way of a buddy who wants to settle down, until they themselves have a girl they want to settle down with, and then they don’t follow the wayward advice they gave before. It’s very important for men to take this advice with a very large grain of salt. Most of it is given out of envy and/or of personal agenda of not wanting to lose a good buddy who will not be able to hang out as much as before (or not at all) once he marries.

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 9:57 pm Imperial Leather

        Why don’t you tell us your current notch count, what kind of beta’s you settle for, what your career is and how important it is to you, can you cook, do you take pride in a clean home and how you look after your man.. etc etc…. this is what men truly want to know from you…..instead of regurgitating men’s talk as your own so you can be part of male discussion

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm Hammer of Love

        As you can tell, Lilith never has anything of value, or intelligence, to contribute to the discussions on this board. She just tells us what she thinks we want to hear. She’s a Zionist plant, her real job on this site, is to cock block any meaningful discussion on the corrosive effects of the ” chosen tribe ” on our societies.

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      • It’s quite the interesting tactic. Her job is “just the tip” enforcement.

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 10:25 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “I suggested she should wait to have sex before she succumbs. Let him get highly infatuated and lusty for her, which is the road to falling in love. Stretch out the courtship, before she goes all the way. This will give them both a chance to fall in love with each other.”

        …and a chance for him to become a complete sucker, since she was giving it away before.

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      • “…and a chance for him to become a complete sucker, since she was giving it away before.”

        Ouch!! 🙂

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      • It’s not enough that she makes him wait. She has to be somebody worth waiting for. That’s the crucial point.

        Would you wait for two hours to get into a McDonalds, when there’s a Burger King no-wait drive-thru across the street?

        If she makes him wait, and then he finds out she was riding the cock carousel and giving it away on the first date with a dozen Alphas before him, he’s likely to walk away, pissed.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 10:34 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        Well, she will probably just lie about her history. That seems to be the standard tactic.

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      • So Alpha fucks and beta bucks eh?

        She should make the guy wait when she was giving it out for free and to pursue this strategy, great energy is needed to hide her past.

        I feel bad for the guy who she pulls this on

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 9:22 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        dear lily!

        perhaps you have heard of the feministsz movementz?

        WOMEN ARE EQUAL TO MENZ!!!

        ergo, she should be dating mens who are four or five years younger and supporting upcoming menz, pumping and dumping them just like she was pumped and dumped. she should buy them 22 year oldsz dinnerz and trips, fuck and suck them, and then kick them to the curb just like she was kicked to the curb.

        she needsz to get a job to pay for her own place nice aprtment and buy dinners movies drinkz for young menz like da GBFM too.

        WOMEN ARE EQUAL TO MENZ!!! it is time they manned upz!!

        zlozozozo

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      • 2nd and last comment of the day? GBFM did you happen to catch the MTV NWO/Hip Hop In Yo’ Face Awards? Now they’ve got Katy Perry (10 face) wearing a “grill” and she does it like the pretty, clueless puppet she is. They are ramping up the push to make pretty white girls know nothing except hip hop niggaz culture. Miley Cyrus and Katy Perry are both about as close to 10s (or solid 9s, easily) as a woman can get. (Miley when she has long hair–beautiful perfect white girl genes). The NWO is having them ramp up the negrafication to instruct their sheep followers to do the same. Most (not some, most) white girls under 30 today are whiggers who listen to nothing but hip hop music. Miley Cyrus is leading them down that path. She is a puppet of the Cathedral.

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      • Man Reader, I have to disagree. If anything they are ramping DOWN the whole hip hop rap black musician thing, and they are milking the last remnants there is to milk. My evidence is the Billboard Hot 100 chart, the industry standard for ranking song popularity for each week going back to the 1950s. At one point last year, there was not a single song released by a black artist in the top 10 for the first time since the early 80s. The most recent liste top 10 songs were released by white artists, as were 21 of the top 23. There were weeks in the late 50s when more black artists were represented. The peak for black artists was 2005, the level of at which point there has been a steady rise in white artists in pop, indi rock, and electronic music with a leveling off and decline in hard core rap and hip hop. The latest billboard top 10:

        1*

        Blurred Lines Robin Thicke Featuring T.I. + Pharrell Prev: 1 | Weeks On: 18 | Peak: 1

        2

        Roar Katy Perry Prev: 85 | WeeksOn: 2 | Peak: 2

        3

        We Can’t Stop Miley Cyrus Prev: 2 | Weeks On: 11 | Peak: 2

        4

        Radioactive Imagine Dragons Prev: 3 | Weeks On: 51 | Peak: 3

        5

        Holy Grail Jay Z Featuring Justin Timberlake Prev: 5 | Weeks On: 6 | Peak: 5

        6

        Applause Lady Gaga Prev: | WeeksOn: 1 | Peak: 6

        7

        Get Lucky Daft Punk Featuring Pharrell Williams Prev: 4 | Weeks On: 18 | Peak: 2

        8

        Treasure Bruno Mars Prev: 7 | Weeks On: 14 | Peak: 5

        9

        Cups (Pitch Perfect’s When I’m Gone) Anna Kendrick Prev: 6 | Weeks On: 34 | Peak: 6

        10

        Safe And Sound Capital Cities

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      • Can’t reply to Will Powers , so I do it here,

        you said; ” At one point last year, there was not a single song released by a black artist in the top 10 for the first time since the early 80s.”

        interesting, even slightly encouraging. but only slightly…

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      • Canadian Friend, the point being that it isn’t necessarily a swell of pride for white musicians rather I believe white artists have survived a decades long movement to push them aside. It worked well for a while, but it’s hard to fill out the demands for pop culture with one group of people basically performing in only one genre and not expect the talent pool to eventually dry up. For every 1 black musician trying to make it in the mainstream popular music scene, there are probably 15 equally or more talented white musicians, and they are more resourceful generally. Also you can’t dismiss the effect that Idol and YouTube has had. In a meritocracy, whites always stand a better chance. Credit also has to go to the resurgence in live music. My reading of the tea leaves tells me hipop that isn’t Jay Z style pop influenced will diminish to the point of only being a minor segment of the music market in 10 years. Electronic music though will continue to rise. Don’t tell this to Whisky though, he will just tell you all the hot white chicks in California strictly listen to black rappers, and Imagine Dragons get their hitsb

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      • My advice…go to confession. Repent the sins of fornication, receive God’s mercy, go and do that sin no more. Womens like to keep everything they’ve ever had or experienced…including their sins.

        That’s how Jesus handled those things when a Bernanke woman came his way…I can’t see why that wouldn’t work.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 10:03 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        dear earl,

        so if a womenz had 42 abortionsz and 97 cocksz in her mouth and 140 in her bungholez and she showed up

        at confession for five minutesz
        and repeneted

        you would consider her good as new and even better?

        by who’s authority?

        did you ever read Matthew? or just what your preist telled you?

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      • The Holy Spirit. You know the third guy in the trinity.

        John 20:22-23

        Or if you don’t know or care about that guy…I could go with the authority of Jesus…there was some butthexed women who did some good teaching us a lesson.

        Luke 7:36-50

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      • You see unlike Bernanke…I don’t woman to remain desouled so I can continue my lolzolzozlzozlzolz. Confession is a good way to get it back.

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      • Or the authority of Clint Eastwood.

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      • dear earl,

        so if a womenz had 42 abortionsz and 97 cocksz in her mouth and 140 in her bungholez and she showed up

        at confession for five minutesz
        and repeneted

        you would consider her good as new and even better? [sic sic sic]

        Christianity as only uppity retards can fathom it.

        by who’s authority?

        For one, scriptural. John 8:11.

        did you ever read Matthew? or just what your preist telled you?

        Sounds like you only ever read Matthew. If not just the Idiot’s Guide version.

        What is the only unforgivable sin, Great Books for Simpletons? That’s right: unforgiveness. You are not erring on the side of caution. Work out your faith in fear and trembling, not fiat declarations and gibberish.

        You who have no practical spiritual development, you whose unmaintained consciences are in the health condition of Oprah’s flabby ass. You can only understand forgiveness as a capitulation to evil. You think someone else’s sin is larger than God’s mercy, which is a sin of presumption in itself. You think God can be fooled by false contrition in a person’s heart because priests and rituals are fooled. And you place yourself above God by acting as though you understand his ways, despite that

        [A]s the heavens are higher than the earth,
        So are my ways higher than your ways
        And my thoughts than your thoughts.

        “Vengeance is mine, says THE LORD, I will repay.” It’s not your job to hold onto grudges, even when the sinners are actively sinning. You bring the sin to their attention and you let it go. Anything more is above your paygrade. You are not the righteous hand of the Lord’s vengeance. You forgive or stay neutral. Condemnation is the sinner’s business between himself and the Almighty.

        You act as though a woman with “42 abortions” is unforgivable. All that tells me is that you don’t understand the depth of your own sin. If she can’t repent, neither can you. And if you think you’re holier than her, think again.

        This is what you get for reading and promoting “Jefferson’s” secular interpretation of scripture. An astounding ignorance of the Christian ethos, little better than an atheist’s.

        Matt

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      • But if even the tinglers can be forgiven of their butthexings from Jesus as told in one of the GBFM which I believe is:

        0 The Bible

        …how will GBFM ever continue his lolz? He might be forced to look inside and see the scary butthexings he’s committed as the result of his tingles.

        Seems to me he needs to toss out the Homer for a while and get back to reading #0 on the list.

        LOLOLOLZ

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      • Imperial Leather,

        I’m not regurgitating anything. I’m anti-casual sex. That has always been my position. I always say (here and in RL) women should wait to have sex. The sexual revolution made marriage obsolete (unless we want to have kids), and that is not in the interest of women. In other words, why is the girl writing the letter to CH surprised she has no options? Pussy is a dime a dozen. It’s the price women paid for the sexual revolution. The ramifications are that it’s very hard to find quality husbands.
        _________________________________________

        Sieve of Eratosthenes,

        I didn’t say she shouldn’t have sex with him. I said she should wait, and I don’t mean just 3 dates. I mean longer. If he sticks around, then it means he is more serious than the usual cad/PUA/rake.

        As is, it’s hard for women (that don’t sleep around) to find husbands, so how is a woman who is not easy, going to be taken seriously by a man? Men never take “too easy” seriously. Like with everything else, if sex comes too easy and you don’t have to work for it or invest your time in it, you appreciate it less. This is why in the days of old, women used to make a man chase after them before they even gave him the time of day. Now they have sex after knowing each other only a few hours. We have gone from one extreme to another. I don’t think we could ever go back to the way things were, unless we undergo a cultural anti-revolution of sorts, so meanwhile why can’t we find something in the middle?

        If there is going to be an anti-sexual revolution, it will have to start with women refusing to open their legs so fast. Until then, men can’t find good wives and women can’t find quality husbands.

        Anyway, you’re free to walk away if a girl isn’t too easy for your liking, and a girl should be free to let you walk.

        ____________________________________________

        MichaelC,

        “It’s not enough that she makes him wait. She has to be somebody worth waiting for. That’s the crucial point.”

        As I said, no woman is worth waiting for these days. There is no shortage of women willing to have easy sex, but there is a shortage of men willing to get married.

        Therefore, she’ll never be worth waiting for on a purely sexual basis. However, instead of telling her to throw in the towel and ridiculing her over how she has no chance (as some men like to do), I am trying to find ways she could salvage what she has left, and the first thing to doing this is not to be too easy sexually.

        That said, no matter what she does, I still don’t think she’ll be able to snag an alpha who is refusing to get married because all he cares about is having lots of sex with different females. If she likes that type of man, she’s in for a big upset. She’ll never be able to catch him. Anyway, he is always going to be a big cheater, so why even bother marrying such a man? She obviously likes the thrill of the bad boy. Either she gives up her penchant for bad boys, or she’ll end up an unhappy spinster.
        .
        “If she makes him wait, and then he finds out she was riding the cock carousel and giving it away on the first date with a dozen Alphas before him, he’s likely to walk away, pissed.”

        Agreed! That’s why I said above, he’s free to walk if a girl isn’t to his liking. Anyway, I think men know who is a ho and who is not, especially an alpha with lots of experience with women. If you think she is a reformed carousel rider trying to trick you, leave her, “cold turkey.”
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        RedPillPaul,

        “She should make the guy wait when she was giving it out for free and to pursue this strategy, great energy is needed to hide her past.”

        Haha! All of you are saying the same thing.

        You’re missing the point. She asked for advice. We are giving it to her. Most of you though, laughed at her and told her flatly she has no chance in hell, as you’re looking at this from the male perspective.

        However, when someone wants advice, you need to be able to put away your male agenda and look for ideas. If it were a man asking for advice, then the women should put aside their female agendas and answer fairly what would be best for him.

        It’s easy to tell her she is a piece of shit, not worth a dime. But that’s not advice, is it? That’s just venting against females. It’s better to discuss why she is in this predicament to begin with, and if there is anything she could do to salvage whatever she can from her bad choices.

        Anyway, you’re all assuming she had a bad past. She is 26 with a couple of previous BFs. Do you expect her to be a virgin in this day and age?

        The most you could hope of meeting is a woman who isn’t a ho, but not a virgin. If you can’t make allowances for the realities of our age, every woman will be considered trash in your eyes. I don’t think it’s a healthy way to interact with females. You need to start improvising under the circumstances.

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      • Lily,

        I think you are missing the point. Its too late for her. It is already over. She doesn’t need advice, she needs a reality check.

        The reason why I said “I feel bad for the guy she pulls this on” is because she can use this strategy but it will only “work” on someone who is definitely not alpha (poor beta chump), hence, there really is no advice for her if she is going after securing an alpha (reality check).

        What is more unhealthy is how females interact with males. You should take your own advice or apply your own statement and realize that you may just be regular old trash. Relative to other women, you may not be (may not think you are…to be more accurate) but still trash none the less. And how you stated what you did, you put the onus on half the population that you dont belong to. I think it is unhealthy for marriage minded men to interact with females like you/op.

        Why should a man marry? If you cant start to improvise under the circumstances, just accept being a used up ho, with a few more uses left. Clocks ticking and in more ways than one.

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      • Men need to start improvising?

        You speak as though marriage is our agenda.

        Babe, I speak for myself. I got all I need. And there’s no reason for me to change anything.

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      • “I think you are missing the point. Its too late for her. It is already over. She doesn’t need advice, she needs a reality check.”

        RedPillPaul, the following comment is not directed at you, but to all who seem to be missing the point of this thread.

        I can see most here have been bitten by gloom, doom, pessimism, and cynicism, which is why they don’t provide any hope or a bright spot. Well, I’m not like them. I like analyzing situations, looking for answers, and finding a ray of hope. I mean, isn’t it why CH put this letter in a thread, for discussion purposes? What’s the point in everyone repeating the same remarks telling her she’s worthless and needs to give up living?

        Imagine if you went to a hospital and they said you have terminal cancer and there is nothing you can do 😦 Would you accept that prognosis and wait to die in a hospice? You’d be stupid to. Hopefully, your will to live would take over, and you’ll try all therapies available to try to save your life.

        How many time were doctors wrong? They are not God. They are only providing opinion.

        Same thing here. I didn’t say she has a big chances of pulling it off, but if she is ever going to be successful, she has to change her attitude, and it starts with being more feminine, specifically by not being sexually easy.

        It seems all of you guys think it’s only acceptable for men to reinvent themselves (become alpha) and grow with experience, but not Ok for a 26 year-old woman to understand her mistakes and try to correct them. Why are you condemning her for eternity?

        Everyone living today is a prisoner of this feminist society. Most people have been led astray by feminists and various liberals and lefties. Why reprimand people that are seeing the light and want to change their behavior?

        Now, don’t jump on me saying the woman writing the letter said nothing about changing her ways. I know that. This is the advice I’m giving her, while bearing in mind I don’t know her whole story and I don’t know if she is the huge slut you all make her out to be.

        Bottom line, miserable, discontent men should not be giving advice to anyone, period. This is the last place to seek constructive advice.

        I think this woman should have known better, which is why I think the letter was just an excuse to contact CH.

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      • @RP
        “You speak as though marriage is our agenda.”

        For those who want to get married and have children, but say they can’t find a woman, I think improvising might be the only way to find a suitable woman.

        Everyone living today is a prisoner of this feminist society. Most people have been led astray by feminists and various liberals and lefties. Therefore, if you want to get married, you need to make allowances for the realities of our age, otherwise, every woman will be considered trash in your eyes.
        .
        For men not interested in marriage this is of course irrelevant.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm Imperial Leather

        @Lily

        Ohhhhhh yes you do…regurgitate and regurgitate

        Tell us again, how long did you wait for. What is your current notch count. What kind of beta’s do you settle for, what is your career and how important it is to you, can you cook, do you take pride in a clean home and how you look after your man. How long is your hair, do you wear high heels as a matter of course, wear skirts and tastefully applied makeup.

        The 26 year old female and the men here want to know, what kind of EXPERIENCE do you ACTUALLY bring to the discussion, what “has always been your position” is of NO relevance

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      • Spin, hamster. Spin.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 11:05 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “As is, it’s hard for women (that don’t sleep around) to find husbands…”

        It’s not hard at all, just hard to find one that’s “alpha enough”.

        “… women can’t find quality husbands.”

        Sure they can, just not ones that are “alpha enough”.

        I’m not one of those who would call her worthless. While I have a long list of grievances, insecurities, and traumatic experiences with women; it is simply not in my nature to hate or be contemptuous (and the dramatic tension causes me agony). And I do believe that every man and woman is a child of God. But I am finding it hard to empathize with this woman, and I don’t understand why you do, other than your common gender. I don’t see what makes you think she is looking for a “quality” husband, as opposed to wanting to snare the most tingle-riffic guy she can barter for.

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      • @Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “But I am finding it hard to empathize with this woman, and I don’t understand why you do, other than your common gender. “

        No, it’s not the common gender; it’s the fact I don’t like to close the door in people’s faces. I always like to offer hope if I can. Everyone living today is a victim of feminists and other liberals who have lead us astray and told us lies. I am hopping this woman will wake up. Why condemn her for eternity, tell her she should go away and play dead, just because you think she is hyper hypergamy?

        “I don’t see what makes you think she is looking for a “quality” husband, as opposed to wanting to snare the most tingle-riffic guy she can barter for.”

        I don’t know what she is looking for, but I know she’s tired of her life and she wants something lasting. Every woman sleeping with a guy without a commitment is hoping to get a marriage proposal eventually. It’s very rare that women don’t want to get married and secure that man for eternity. Don’t believe it’s possible. Even the worst slut is hoping her guy will marry her. Women are not built for casual sex. Look at women that had years of casual sex, you can see the deterioration on their faces. Their soul is empty, their looks is very much like the used and abused woman who drinks and smokes heavily. Casual sex destroys a woman very much like substance abuse.

        In contrast, a woman having lots of sex with one man whom she is deeply in love with and who has decided to commit to her, looks alive and vibrant and happy. In fact, she looks beautiful.

        Another contrast, is the women having mediocre sex with one man but he’s a beta and he doesn’t excite her. She might not look used and abused but she looks unhappy and pessimistic, and in time her unhappiness turns into shrill bitchiness, affairs, divorce, and kids who know their parents don’t love each other.

        That’s why it’s very important for men to understand hypergamy and counter it with anti-hypergamy action, such as alpha or at least trying alpha. Men who refuse to become alphas are usually lazy. So instead of bashing this woman, she needs compassion. She isn’t feeling anything different than most women out there about a beta men.
        .
        “It’s not hard at all, just hard to find one that’s “alpha enough”.

        Well, in today’s society not alpha enough means a totally feminized brainwashed male. Women like masculine men. It’s how our brains work. Yes, you have to be super alpha for women to be happy, just not unfaithful. Women want a faithful super alpha. They want alphas that will marry them. This is what is not easy to find. Cads are a dime a dozen.

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      • on August 27, 2013 at 11:48 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “Well, in today’s society not alpha enough means a totally feminized brainwashed male. Women like masculine men. It’s how our brains work. Yes, you have to be super alpha for women to be happy, just not unfaithful. Women want a faithful super alpha. They want alphas that will marry them. This is what is not easy to find. Cads are a dime a dozen.”

        Perhaps we’ve been talking across purposes. The problem is that the word “alpha” takes on so many meanings across the manosphere. It sounds like you mean a guy who just acts masculine. Frankly, I doubt if that is all that our letter writer means.

        Not sure what you mean by “super alpha”.

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      • @Imperial Leather

        “Ohhhhhh yes you do…regurgitate and regurgitate”

        Oh, no, I don’t; this always has been my position. Furthermore, I never follow the consensus here, unless I wholeheartedly agree with it. In fact, most of the time, my position is not popular at all, and I still express it.

        The rest of your questions are none of your business since I don’t have to qualify myself to you.

        BTW, some of what you asked I already reveled about myself. You’ll just have to go back and read some back threads, if it’s that important to you.

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      • on August 28, 2013 at 2:16 am Imperial Leather

        It’s ALL you do……scaredy cat

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      • The others said it before, if she has already given it away cheaply to another then her value has already been compromised. High value men know this fact. Dont get splay legged on the cock carousel. It’s really that simple. Once you have compromised your SMV by signaling that your suitability as a mother is less than desirable, you will be pump n dumped repeatedly. Men dont love women, especially profligate sluts.

        Furthermore, i would conjecture that men are not supposed to love women, the same way a woman is not supposed to love a man. It makes little sense inside of the biological imperative’s framework. Men never depended upon a woman to provide, only other men when he went out to hunt and fight. A woman’s value is derived from her ability to breed and thus her nurturing instinct is one of the most important traits she has. Women are to love children as the children are the most important commodity a woman can offer.

        Since marriage is no longer a worthwhile endeavor for any man to enter into without a legal all star team drafted prenuptial agreement, you have MGTOW. All i can say is thanks feminists, for making it easy for me to sample a cornucopia of sloots.

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      • “The others said it before, if she has already given it away cheaply to another then her value has already been compromised.”

        Agreed.

        She may look 8 or on a good day 9…but if she’s already alpha widowed by two guys and has nothing more to offer…that knocks her down to a 4-5. Add in the fact the wall is coming fast and she should really lower her expectations.

        A greater beta might actually be the winning lottery ticket for her.

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      • “Once you have compromised your SMV by signaling that your suitability as a mother is less than desirable, you will be pump n dumped repeatedly. Men dont love women, especially profligate sluts.”

        Hmm, sluts aside, are you saying men can’t really love a woman? That can’t be true. I do think it’s true that men and women fall in love differently, and love each other differently. Not recognizing that is probably the source of most relationship problems.

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      • I am saying that men and women can’t love each other the way a mother loves her child or a man loves his “brethren in arms.” That last term being a loose phrase to describe those few individuals a man will trust with his life and well being.

        I would say that there are scenarios where a man is willing to give up his life for another man. This behavior has a definite grounding in evolution. The same can be said for a mother and her child. These two relationships are what are imperative to human survival. A woman will never love a man the way she loves her child and a man will never love a woman the way he loves his best mates.

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      • Actually, women are opportunistic in their loving, and men are idealistic. Men are the hopeless romantics.

        This is based in our evolutionary imperatives.

        A man going to a foreign land to fight a war while suspecting a his wife slutting it up back home might not be very optimistic, and hence not have much of a drive to survive in the case of a fatal injury.

        A woman who was captured by men who killed her man and even sons would either have to empathise with those men, or die.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 11:14 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “Actually, women are opportunistic in their loving, and men are idealistic. Men are the hopeless romantics.”

        This. It is the reality that many of us struggle to come to terms with.

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      • “Actually, women are opportunistic in their loving, and men are idealistic. Men are the hopeless romantics.”

        Interesting, although it’s depressing. It folds into concept of female hypergamy I guess. If a man finds a woman with the traits he values, he is generally happy and satisfied. If a woman finds a man with the (many) traits she wants, she isn’t necessarily satisfied. She will often wonder if she can do better.

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    • on August 25, 2013 at 9:04 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozlolzozo

      borther natahnanielz says dat women are new shcillzz shillz shillszz lzlozozozlzlzozo

      lzozozozooozozzo

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      • Cathedral = Jews

        Hitler tried to warn you people, but did you listen? Nooo. That would just be too fucking logical.

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      • “Cathedral.” – First time I have noticed that Unqualified Reservations terminology is popular here.

        Be wary of Mencius Moldbug’s theorising. He’s a jew and it clouds everything he writes. (The most obvious example is his holocaustinity.) Additionally, video footage of him reveals a sad sack of shit who couldn’t fuck his way out of a paper bag. Not an impressive man at all.

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      • As with most kooks, the primary value of Moldbug is in the questions he raises, not the answers he spews. He has a talent for inventing unwieldy terminology that the right kind of nerds glom on to. “Cathedral” is the only Moldbuggian term I can think of that has legs.

        Kooks and visionary scientists have in common the habit of challenging Authorized Narratives with difficult and excellent questions.

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    • on August 26, 2013 at 10:10 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      hey immoralgables,

      why does Robert Greene never mention JEsus Christ nor Moses nor Homer in his book on “Power?”

      Do you, like Robert Greene, believe that JEsus, nor Moses, nor Homer ever had any powerz?

      zlozozozozo

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  2. 26 is too old for an alpha of any age.

    You’d have to be a 20 year old virgin 10 amazon to get a marriage proposal from a 60 year old alpha, if he’s really alpha.

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    • The lady leaves out what she bring to the table besides good looks and a (fatal?) attraction to good looking, successful, and charismatic men.

      What, m’lady, do you offer to a prospective husband? Smart men know that a woman’s looks can fade fast, especially after she gets married. If you are simply a pretty woman wanting to get married, believe me, you will be outclassed by the female competition for alpha males.

      A successful, good provider, devoted beta male would be no problem for you to “catch.” But, since you don’t want one of those, you will have to look hard in the mirror. What DO you bring to the table? I have to agree with Anonymous a bit. A successful older alpha wouldn’t touch a young gold digger as a marriage partner, unless there was an ironclad prenup.

      Ugh. Being a pretty woman isn’t all its cracked up to be, is it?

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      • Heh…that’s a great way to pop the ego balloon of thousands of pretty ladies.

        Does said pretty lady know how to cook? Or enjoy silence from time to time?

        Basically it’s like Chris Rock said…food, sex, silence. As easy a list it is…women still have a hard time achieving those three.

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      • Looks aside, if a woman isn’t willing to be utterly devoted to her children and husband, home school them, even be willing to sew their fucking clothes, if the circumstances are presented, then she is worthless and not marriage material.

        This goes 10 fold for an Alpha.

        “I’m a 9”

        Yeah now you are.

        Even the most Alpha of Alphas knows an 8 or even 7 with the qualities I mention are worth much more in the long run than a 9 or 10 with none of those qualities.

        This woman strikes me as a carousel rider. She’s not serious about marriage and raising a wonderful family. She’s interested in having an arm to cling to. Her questions are about the rank of the man she should go for.

        She’s worthless, her husband will be worthless, and their children will be worthless. She’s a hole, and nothing more. Probably imagines she’s a catch due to her attractiveness, and what I suspect is a later than usual virginity loss. She’s still just a hole. What does she think, she’ll find marriage material in a fucking bar, making everyone laugh? The odds of that happening are slim and none.

        Does she imagine she’ll find this living the life of a secular modern stupid Western woman? If you want the traditional life, then live it. if you want to slut it up, then settle down with the perfect man, keep dreaming. Your great grandmother didn’t marry Prince Charming. She was too smart to imagine he existed.

        You want to find an upstanding man who acts like a goddamn man and will be a great father and husband? You’re not going to find him in a city, that’s for sure.

        But I guess some jerk off who needs validation from everyone at all times is more exciting..

        Fucking grow up.

        Anyone here ever see “Indian Runner” You have 2 choices. Viggo Mortensen, or David Morse. Guess which one is the best bet. HINT: he’s very tall and soft spoken. Great movie, BTW.

        ATTENTION WOMEN: IF YOU LOST YOUR VIRGINITY AT 19, 20, 21, AND STARTED WHORING IT UP, OR GOING FROM RELATIONSHIP TO RELATIONSHIP EVEN IF THEY WERE FOR A YEAR OR TWO AT A TIME, YOU ARE STILL DAMAGED GOODS, YOU STUPID SLOBS

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 11:29 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “Her questions are about the rank of the man she should go for.”

        This is what leaves a foul taste in my mouth, and leads me to wonder why anyone here should give a damn about this chick.

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      • Entertainment value?

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      • Share dem pics, tho.

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      • The time when a woman benefits most from wisdom is at her sexual peak. The time when a woman is least likely to behave with wisdom is also at her sexual peak. Ironic, isn’t it?

        Back in the day, the older women in The Matrix would pressure the young hottie into behaving wisely (read: finding a good provider to marry & not mounting the carousel). Thanks, feminists!

        Love,
        Cads Everywhere

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      • Well-done.

        This was the first thought that popped into my mind… especially after reading her “tell”:

        I would rather not waste my time/energy/looks/emotions on men who just want to enjoy me for a year or two…

        The time/energy is a toss-off phrase… all she’s saying she’s got is looks and emotions… the latter, though apparently of perceived high value to women, nonetheless being of dubious value to men… especially with marriage in mind.

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      • If she continues her errant ways, in a few years she will indeed look “hard” in the mirror.

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm haunted trilobite

        A reader delivers the shiv

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      • C’mon gramps, where do you get evidence she’s a gold digger?

        She wants to find a lover that will not leave and wants to settle down with her. How is that wrong, or gold digging? She wants to marry. Women are quality oriented, not quantity oriented as men.

        You ask what else she brings to the table besides good looks. It’s a good question, but good looks is a woman’s number one asset; something she must initially start with. Of course, a woman should also be easy to live with, compassionate and forgiving, as well as feminine and a bit mysterious.
        Maybe, as CH says, this woman doesn’t have what it takes to secure the eternal love of a highly alpha male. However, most women nowadays don’t, because pussy is so cheap. It’s readily available, and as in everything that is not rare, the price depreciates. When women waited until the wedding night to have sex, men proposed. Now, why should any man with options propose?

        Therefore, I’m not sure she can do anything about getting an alpha to marry her. CH’s suggestion sure do narrow it down, ever so slightly, but in today’s age where sex is readily available, it’s very hard to get a marriage proposal from an exceptional high-value man that all other women want. A girl really has to be an exceptional woman herself, the kind her man doesn’t want to lose or can’t stand to see with another. It’s really a very tall order. Most modern women don’t have what it takes.

        I say, you first need to work on your looks and your femininity. There is always room for improvement. Be your best self.

        Another thing, wait to have sex. You should wait (no matter how much you’re attracted to him) before you succumb. Let him get highly infatuated and lusty for you. Stretch out the courtship, before you go all the way. Going all the way should be done in stages – trickling down like water from a fountain. It tells a man you think highly of yourself, you think you’re worth it, you won’t give yourself for a cheap romp, and you want to be treated like you’re more special than all other women he’s been with. BTW, you don’t have to be a bitch about it either. Just stick to your guns that you want to get to know each other before you go all the way. Do it sweetly and kindly. Men respond well to sweetness and kindness.

        A man that will court you before he beds you, is a man worth getting to know. He’s probably a bit older too. Those other guys hurrying you to get down to business as if they have a subway train to catch, were just cads and rakes masquerading as alphas. Those men have lots of GFs mistaking them for the real thing, most of whom might be hot, but they are not quality – just women agreeing to have unattached sex in the hopes a man will place more importance on them and make them more special in the face of his other GFs.
        .
        Anyway, I think Anonymous is a bit exaggerating. I doubt he can secure a 20-year old virgin, let alone all the other drones that agreed with him in this subhead.

        Use common sense. Why would any 20-year old girl want to marry an old geezer? She has her whole life ahead of her, and she’s not ordered by her father to marry such a man, right out of a Shakespearean comedy. Maybe if he was every wealthy she could be enticed, but then who is the gold digger, eh? The girl in the letter to CH, or the 20-year old marrying a very wealthy 60-year old man for his money.

        I think the delusions are strong in some of you.

        No matter how many options a man has, a 60-year old still has fewer options than a woman 40-years his Jr. What all of you older men posting here would give if you could go back 40 years? Common sense guys, common sense.

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 11:34 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        She is not an exceptional woman, and never will be. She is hypergamy personified.

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      • “She is not an exceptional woman, and never will be. She is hypergamy personified.”

        Oh yeah – she is indeed hypergamy personified!!!

        That said, even a women (and all women are) that is hypergamy personified can be exceptional. The point is she needs to work on her behavior, just as betas need to learn to behave in an alpha manner. If you act like an alpha, you’ll eventually become alpha, or be able to fool women into thinking you are. Either way, it’s good for men to act more masculine, and it benefits everyone.

        For women, especially beautiful ones (because ugly women can’t do much in that department), the best way to act exceptional is to be more feminine, particularly don’t to be too easy sexually. Women should keep their legs closed. Either way, it’s good for women to act more feminine, and it benefits everyone.
        ……

        BTW, I hate my words misquoted. I didn’t say she’s an exceptional woman. I said:

        “in today’s age where sex is readily available, it’s very hard to get a marriage proposal from an exceptional high-value man that all other women want. A girl really has to be an exceptional woman herself, the kind her man doesn’t want to lose or can’t stand to see with another. It’s really a very tall order. Most modern women don’t have what it takes.”

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 11:22 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “That said, even a women (and all women are) that is hypergamy personified can be exceptional.”

        Can’t agree with you. There are rare women who don’t give in to their base natures, and they are the only exceptional ones.

        Out of curiousity, what exactly is the difference between the man who is alpha, and the one who can fool women into thinking that he is alpha?

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      • @Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “Can’t agree with you. There are rare women who don’t give in to their base natures, and they are the only exceptional ones.”

        Right, they don’t give into their nature, just like some girls refuse to have sex before marriage. They force themselves to “do the right thing.” It doesn’t mean they don’t feel the need for hypergamy though. Furthermore, the more alpha partners a woman has, the more sharpened her hypergamy is.

        Also, I guarantee you, every women will give in to it eventually if she is not sexually satisfied with her man. And, betas don’t satisfy most women. Maybe a higher beta or a lesser alpha can pull it off though. So, don’t be surprised why so many women are unhappy.
        .
        “Out of curiousity, what exactly is the difference between the man who is alpha, and the one who can fool women into thinking that he is alpha?”

        I meant by that a man who is really a beta. But, he learned to be a higher beta or a lesser alpha though game and red pill ideas, so he is not a natural.

        In that case, women don’t really care. Just like they like to play rape games with their lovers or give consentual non-consent to a lover who doesn’t ask, just takes her. As long as she feels a man’s masculinity, she’s happy. She doesn’t care how he acquired it.

        Women don’t really care if you are a natural alpha or you learned to act alpha, so long as they don’t get to see your bataness often. So in effect, you’re fooling them.

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      • on August 27, 2013 at 11:19 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

        “Also, I guarantee you, every women will give in to it eventually if she is not sexually satisfied with her man. And, betas don’t satisfy most women. Maybe a higher beta or a lesser alpha can pull it off though. So, don’t be surprised why so many women are unhappy.”

        Are you really saying that the vast majority of men cannot satisfy most women, and that these women will inevitably cheat? And I thought that _I_ was cynical! If I believed what you seem to suggest, I would have to conclude that women really are worthless, and incapable of love.

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      • Sieve of Eratosthenes,

        No, women are capable of very great love, but it’s up to the man to create the conditions necessary to bring the woman to a very deep love.

        80% of men are capable of satisfying a woman if they learn to play the game. And, women don’t cheat on these men.

        A woman starts cheating the moment her mind wonders in fantasy, and she starts thinking about another man (even one that doesn’t exists, like her ideal fantasy guy) or about sexual situations where you’re not with her. You have to short-circuit her mind by bringing the conditions necessary to make her love you deeply, and only you.

        If you think you can circumvent this problems by looking for a girl that doesn’t cheat or doesn’t look for alphas, you’re fooling yourself, and you’re being lazy. What you need to do is be proactive about it by creating the conditions. Those conditions usually start with you being the most alpha you can be, without being a jerk or an exploiter, if marriage is what you want. Think more about being good for a woman than being a user, without sacrificing alpha.

        That said, it’s easier with virgins, good girls, girls with low lover count, girls that don’t engage in casual sex, girls that don’t come from a broken home, traditional women with old-fashion values, girls that don’t display tattoos, piercings, or drink heavily, than it is with hos, liberals, or liberal hos. So to maximize your success, chose a girl from one of those good-girl varieties.

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      • I don’t see what is unusual or attractive about this 26 year-old. She apparently has good DNA and good eating habits. Wow. What a find.

        She wishes to marry a high RMV man — who, by definition, is educated, professionally/financially accomplished, socially skilled, fun to be around, durable, loyal, physically impressive. She doesn’t want much. Her self-described virtues are: I’m 26, I have lady parts, I’m an 8 and I want to get married. Full stop.

        UMC and UC men marry women, if they marry, who bring more than accidental looks to the table. Assortive mating defines marriage in this cohort. Does our lass offer: education, personal interests of note that can be shared, homemaking skills, a career or other evidence of accomplishment outside the nightclubs, her own money (or at least the absence of debt), evidence of personal integrity and a network of interesting friends. What? What’s she bringing?

        Perhaps she told CH what her other virtues are and he declined to post them. But I wouldn’t even answer an online ad from someone who was great looking and said, “I’m 26, I know I’m good looking, and I want to get married.” That’s a self-description that tells any man with option to head for the hills, or just lie and get some sex under false papers. At least Cinderella demonstrated housekeeping skills; this faux-Cinderlla has the Cinderella myth down pat, evidently (she’s ready to be Mr. Big’s Princess), but the only flag she’s raising is, “I’m ready to retire at 26 on your dime, Mr. Alpha Hard-Working Male; my career consists of finding you. Sign here.”

        Note that she doesn’t mention having affection, love and the quiet pleasures of building a true family over time, as her true desire. She seeks the marital transaction. Also, bring a big engagement ring.

        Bizarre. How does one become more entitled than that? And at age 26?

        I know lots of single women in their late 30’s and forties who thought this way in their 20’s. Evidently they really do think that having a vagina is an achievement worth celebrating. Like, you know, making partner on Wall Street, running a 3 hour marathon, starting a business, writing a novel, cooking like Pepin, and the rest of the stuff she expects her future husband to represent. It still hasn’t occurred to her that accomplished men don’t trade their entire lives to get access to sex.

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      • She kept her letter simple and to the point, and didn’t bore us with sentimentality. She was also honest about her ability to get any man, at this point in her life, and I believe her. I kind of like the personality that came through from the letter.

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      • Lara I’m gonna guess you have more male friends than female friends. Am I right?

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 10:06 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        Lara, why is she fornicating and fucking and sucking outside of marriage?

        Marriage is a biblical institution.

        The Bible states “thou shalt not fornicate/butthext/gina sext outside of marriage.”

        Why does she buttfuck the Bible and then demand a biblical marriage?

        why does she wan to have her buttehxt and eat it too?

        lzozozozooz

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      • I like both men and women, but I do relate very well to men. As far as friends, it can be kind of weird to hang around with the guys, so I don’t do it often in real life.

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      • Now you have me thinking, either a man wrote this letter, or edited it down a lot.

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      • Her letter is nothing but sentimental. Her fluffy argument for her desirability is simply sentimental: I’m an attractive woman, therefore I am worthy of an apex male. There’s no objective information in that, no argument, logic or evidence. It’s merely femme-mythologizing. Intelligent men flee those women, unless they are the sort to just use them for a while like her last two boyfriends.

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      • I want to say something else. For all the men on here who think it would be great to have a woman, who thinks like a man, but is still a woman, think again. My relating well to men, unfortunately doesn’t carry over to my intimate relationships with them. In fact, I suspect it makes it worse.

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      • BuenaVista,

        “UMC and UC men marry women, if they marry, who bring more than accidental looks to the table. Assortive mating defines marriage in this cohort. Does our lass offer: education, personal interests of note that can be shared, homemaking skills, a career or other evidence of accomplishment outside the nightclubs, her own money (or at least the absence of debt), evidence of personal integrity and a network of interesting friends. What? What’s she bringing?”

        In my book, a woman should be beautiful, have good personal qualities, love her man, be supportive of him and his needs, want to build a home with him, want to have his children, and take the submissive role in the marriage. All the other stuff you expect her to bring to the table is just playing into the hands of feminists.

        You’re only validating their position that women should be highly educated and have their own money, etc…..

        Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think what you’re saying isn’t important, just ancillary. Anything extra a woman can bring to the table should be welcomed, but don’t hold on settling down until one meets all of your minor details. In any case, no woman could possibly meet all of your criteria. That goes for women too regarding men. We all have to sift through and find what we can live with, and what we cannot live without – things we could compromise on, and things we can’t under any circumstances. It’s just the realities of life, since all of life is one big-decision making exercise. When you become more flexible, you’ll not only be more easy to live with, but also a happier person. Be more flexible on the unimportant stuff, while you are strict on the vital stuff.

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      • I don’t really agree with this, Lily. He’s right about assortive mating, don’t you see that in real life? In reality, the CEO rarely marries his secretary, unless it’s later in life after he’s had children. Men tend to marry women from roughly the same background and education level.

        You don’t think there are women who meet those criteria? There are a lot of women who could, particularly in metropolitan areas: education, interests, homemaking skill, career (or just a work ethic), no debt, integrity, social. I could, and I’m hardly extraordinary. I bet you could too.

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      • Amy,

        “He’s right about assortive mating, don’t you see that in real life? In reality, the CEO rarely marries his secretary, unless it’s later in life after he’s had children. Men tend to marry women from roughly the same background and education level.”

        True, but that’s only a recent development, as feminism became more ingrained in our lives and men started thinking high-achieving women are good.

        And pay attention to those couples though, most of them are miserable because their marriages are based on egalitarianism. Most women who are a powerhouse in their professional careers, are not going to come home to a husband that expects them to submit to him.

        Unfortunately, You can’t have 2 heads of states ruling the same land, and since no woman want to see her husband less powerful than herself, it’s up to the woman to give up her power while he rules her. How many high-powered career women will do that?

        Those marriages are condemned to become failures, with kids caught in the middle paying for the mistakes and bad choices of their parents, which they will surly repeat when they grow up.

        So in effect, what I am saying is a man who wants to be dominant shouldn’t marry such a woman, or marry her but make sure she is willing to take the backseat in their life together.

        .

        “You don’t think there are women who meet those criteria? There are a lot of women who could, particularly in metropolitan areas: education, interests, homemaking skill, career (or just a work ethic), no debt, integrity, social. I could, and I’m hardly extraordinary. I bet you could too.”

        Of course, we would, but it’s not my contention.

        I am not saying don’t get an education, or have a great career, just be ready to relegate it to the back, if you want your relationship to flourish. However, most women would never do that, while you and me might for the right man.

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      • Amy,

        “He’s right about assortive mating, don’t you see that in real life? In reality, the CEO rarely marries his secretary, unless it’s later in life after he’s had children. Men tend to marry women from roughly the same background and education level.”

        True, but that’s only a recent development, as feminism became more ingrained in our lives and men started thinking high-achieving women are good.

        And pay attention to those couples though, most of them are miserable because their marriages are based on egalitarianism. Most women who are a powerhouse in their professional careers, are not going to come home to a husband that expects them to submit to him.

        Unfortunately, You can’t have 2 heads of states ruling the same land, and since no woman want to see her husband less powerful than herself, it’s up to the woman to give up her power while he rules her. How many high-powered career women will do that?

        Those marriages are condemned to become failures, with kids caught in the middle paying for the mistakes and bad choices of their parents, which they will surly repeat when they grow up.

        So in effect, what I am saying is a man who wants to be dominant shouldn’t marry such a woman, or marry her but make sure she is willing to take the backseat in their life together.
        .
        “You don’t think there are women who meet those criteria? There are a lot of women who could, particularly in metropolitan areas: education, interests, homemaking skill, career (or just a work ethic), no debt, integrity, social. I could, and I’m hardly extraordinary. I bet you could too.”

        Of course, we would, but it’s not my contention.

        I am not saying don’t get an education, or have a great career, just be ready to relegate it to the back, if you want your relationship to flourish. However, most women would never do that, while you and me might for the right man.

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      • I agree two high-powered careers in a marriage is tough to pull off; that’s why I put (work ethic) after the career trait. Remember, these are traits he’s looking for in a single woman, before deciding to date her. A single woman who is supporting herself suggests she has a work ethic, which is desirable even if she ends up not working outside the home.

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      • A top shelf alpha probably isn’t impressed by some good looking pussy (at 26 even beginning the decline). The alpha has realistically had his fill of that already, many times over, so a woman would have to bring more to the table.

        On the other hand, these attributes might be handy in convincing someone more hard up — that is, a suitably rich provider beta.

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      • Lily, that’s all good. I’m not challenging your value set. I’m just remarking on the qualities and exaggerated value that the subject 26 year-old assigns to herself. Nothing more. If she is an urban woman who considers herself top shelf wife material for an alpha male, she strikes me as delusional for the reasons I outlined. I’ve read a million online profiles of little princesses of her ilk. That neither makes me a feminist nor hostile to your traditional preferences.

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      • “What all of you older men posting here would give if you could go back 40 years?”

        You would have to drag me kicking and screaming more than 20 years. That would be strictly for life extension purposes. As a physical specimen I’m actually better now than I was then. If you could just give me an extra 40 years held right where I am that would be cool.

        “Why would any 20-year old girl want to marry an old geezer?”

        It is what about 25% of them actually want in their heart of hearts, their father’s age or older. Go ask them. My personal suspicion is that they want to marry men, not children. Men, on the whole, do not begin to mature until sometime past 30. There’s a good reason the minimum age to be US president is 35.

        “a 60-year old still has fewer options”

        The peak of the bell curve shifts. The end points do not. Do not neglect the fact that a 60 year old man who is still far out on the right flare of the bell, among the general population, has a kind of proofing that a younger man cannot match.

        We are not talking about snagging some dumpy old couch potato with a quadruple bypass and a colostomy bag. We’re talking about snagging a guy who rose with the cream and has managed to stay there for decades.

        Among that group there is a fair risk that she will be the one to be dumped in ten years for a younger, fitter model. Betty Weider kept herself in shape because she had to.

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      • Re: “What all of you older men posting here would give if you could go back 40 years?”

        I’m only 32, and I’d give my left nut to go back *10* years. Other things being equal, your ability to attract women in the 18-24 demographic decreases after you’re past your mid-twenties yourself. It’s still possible, of course, to date 20-year olds when you’re 30, or 40, or even 50 or 60, especially if you’re healthy and young looking. It’s just more difficult, and you’ll have longer to look.

        Other things not being equal, I’m definitely more attractive in some ways (more muscular, more masculine face, more self-confidence, earning power, maturity etc.) at 32 than I was at 22. But if I could have those traits and be 10 years younger, and know what I know now, picking up girls would certainly be easier.

        Again, none of this means it’s impossible or even that difficult to date much younger, it’s just *more* difficult.

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      • Lily,

        I like how you write and you use some agree and amplify so that tells me you know some game as well as redpill knowledge. It seems that you are trying hard to convince men that they should put in extra work, look over her faults, give her the benefit of the doubt.

        WHY?

        What does he get in return?

        I agree with you that the number 1 asset a woman has is her good looks but not how you perceive it.

        Her looks is the number 1 way to attract a large number of men but i think a lot of women put too much stock into this. They absolutely should but its a messed up game they try to play.

        I noticed that you added that women should work on her looks and femininity but the number 1 thing she should work on is being obedient.

        Life is a balance and we are scored on many different things which is aggregated to make an overall score. Women try to set up the game where looks are the only thing important so that they can not put energy into being a better person.

        They try to become as beautiful as possible, while trying to deceive people into thinking that is the only thing that matters, and thus, once in possession of this “beauty” they can act with immunity. Your “advice” just sounds like Dalrock’s “rebuilding the mound”.

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      • RedPillPaul,

        “It seems that you are trying hard to convince men that they should put in extra work, look over her faults, give her the benefit of the doubt.”

        I am not trying to convince any man, anything. I am giving advice to the girl writing the letter to CH. But, you guys think my advice is trying to convince you to do something on her behalf. Not at all.

        Many guys here read something different between the lines.

        I am not reading between the lines, just reacting to the things she revealed about herself.

        .

        “Her looks is the number 1 way to attract a large number of men but i think a lot of women put too much stock into this. They absolutely should but its a messed up game they try to play.’

        Don’t discount a woman’s beauty, it launched a 1000 ships.

        .

        “I noticed that you added that women should work on her looks and femininity but the number 1 thing she should work on is being obedient.”

        Being obedient is part of working on her femininity.

        That said, I don’t recommend women be obedient in general. A woman should be obedient just to one man she trusts not abuse her. Many women play this game with the wrong man; a man looking to have fun and nothing else, while she gives him her all. When he is ready to move on, she is left distraught and in love. A woman has to be careful whom she gives that kind of power over her. She needs to be selective instead of throwing away her emotions and her body in exchange of cheap thrills.

        That’s where don’t have sex with him too soon comes in. Wait and get to know him; find out what his intentions and his values are compared to yours. And, you can find out subtly, you don’t have to be a bitch about it, or asking him things that would make him run the other way.

        Again, this is only advice I am giving the girl wring CH the letter, not advice I am giving men here.

        .

        “They try to become as beautiful as possible, while trying to deceive people into thinking that is the only thing that matters, and thus, once in possession of this “beauty” they can act with immunity.”

        You sound as if you’re resentful of female beauty????

        I don’t get it? Do you want to date ugly women so that you don’t have to worry over being bewitched by female beauty? Good luck trying.

        Beauty is an asset we women have (given to us by God) to use in our favor to our ends (men have their own assets they received from God to use to their ends). Try developing resistance or immunity to it if you can, this has been your challenge since the beginning of time. But I guarantee none of you could or can, and none of you would want to anyway, or that would mean you have become gay. All of you want a hot woman in your lives over a less attractive one. This is how things are, so try to work within the confines of that reality, instead of trying to change nature as feminists and liberals try to do.

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      • Lily,

        It is not about dating ugly women.

        There is a notion that women are sugar, spice, everything nice, pure, kind ect…

        This “meme” does exist. How did it come to exist? Because men kept women that way.

        This is how women use to be more like (because this is what men valued and men kept women this way). In this state, all things equal, beauty will stand out more because everyone possess the positive qualities (sugar, spice, everything nice ect…. what distinguishes you is your beauty.

        Now, women are not this (sugar spice everything nice ect…) yet the meme still exist and they reap the benefits of it.

        This is parlayed into women putting in too much stock into beauty and ignoring all else yet, expecting the same benefits. I see that femininity is in your list which is good and you lump obedience in with it.

        The only other “advice” i can give is that women need to learn that they are 2nd chair/voice/violin. Own it and you will be much happier than constantly trying to be first (which i do get some sense of this is what you are doing in what you write but very subtle and mild)

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      • @RedPillPaul

        “There is a notion that women are sugar, spice, everything nice, pure, kind ect…
        This “meme” does exist. How did it come to exist? Because men kept women that way.”

        Agreed, on all counts!
        .

        “Now, women are not this (sugar spice everything nice ect…) yet the meme still exist and they reap the benefits of it.
        This is parlayed into women putting in too much stock into beauty and ignoring all else yet, expecting the same benefits.”

        Now this is where I don’t agree. I think this is more your perception. If only that was indeed true, women would be much more feminine and a lot prettier than we see nowadays, where most women display the following characteristcs:

        • look tomboyish,
        • are fat,
        • have tattoos and piercings,
        • get hammered,
        • have bad manners,
        • sleep around,
        • or have male behavioral qualities like sneering, jeering, and making ugly faces.

        I don’t see femininity at all out there. What you think women putting all their energies on beauty, is really women putting all their energy on being slutty and sleeping around, instead of cultivating other traits like femininity, and good behavior that makes a woman a goof wife.

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      • Spin, hamster. Spin.

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      • A pretty woman with only her looks on offer is little more than a whore looking to lease herself out to the best offer.

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      • I agree with you, but yet, on this blog we read over and over that a woman just has to be (and stay) hot, nothing else required. So here is a woman who is apparently quite beautiful and commitment oriented, and she is being criticized for not listing what she “brings to the table” other than her looks.

        And for the most part, this “looks trump all” message is what women get in real life. If the most desirable men would actually require these other feminine traits to commit, I think you’d see more women working to acquire those traits.

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      • The marriage market is a different animal than the dating market. When a man marries, his expectations go up. So, yes, potential wives need to be both hot and temperamentally simpatico.

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      • Sure, but you have to be dating first to get to marriage.. and woudn’t you expect, or at least desire, those traits in a LTR? Generally, the 4 S’s: sexy, sweet, sane and supportive. I realize feminism works against this, but if high status men were more vocal about wanting these traits in their girlfriends, not just wives, women would respond. They’d have to.

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      • “temperamentally simpatico” yes. But these men want all the traits feminists say a woman should have like being highly educated, bringing in her own money, having a noteworthy career, etc,…. But you know a woman like this is not going to make you her career, right?

        A working career woman has less time to devote to looking hot for you, or to cooking for you, or to spoiling you, or to having sex with you all night cuz she has to be up early and go to work, or she’s just pissed things are bad in the office and she doesn’t feel like having sex.

        If only these men were demanding a woman be emotionally and personality compatible on top of being beautiful, things would be much easier to deal with. The problem is many men here want to have their cake and eat it too.

        A woman can’t have it all, of be all. That was a feminist lie. A woman has to choose; either she is going to make a good wife, or a good career woman. Both of these personas can’t live together under the same roof.

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      • Lily: Agreed here.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm Imperial Leather

        Desirable men have options….female

        “These other feminine traits” would go a long long long way towards “desirable men committing” as you say

        Is that why your still commenting here, because you have neither the desire nor inclination to develop or enhance these feminine traits in yourself

        well it is, isn’t it ……female

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      • Is this directed to me? Lol. Obviously we haven’t met.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 11:09 pm Imperial Leather

        Obviously you don’t have them

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      • Ugh! I have a sneaking suspicion you don’t interact much with females or have sex, am I right?

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      • on August 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm Imperial Leather

        you love to project your own life…..don’t you….female

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      • Being a pretty woman is awesome, if you like stable relationships and betas!

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    • troll/10
      nice job

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    • Here’s an answer to the theory of “feeling the mortality”. I am old and last winter was diagnosed falsely with a terminal illness. My long term gf half my age cried in my arms at the thought of losing me. What was I thinking? How to meet and bed at least one more 10 before the radiation therapy took away my looks. It turned out the diagnosis was wrong. So much for the theory anyway.

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      • So…tell us about Terminal Illness Game.

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      • I will…I live everyday like it’s my last.

        Life is pretty much a terminal illness.

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      • Another way I phrase it is that the leading cause of death is conception.

        My terminal diagnosis came when I was two years old. It was not false, but the prognosis has, nonetheless, turned out to be inaccurate. I’m still here, working on my second half century of beating the odds.

        I have found that living today like it is my last can really fuck up the day after tomorrow. I prefer to not allow fear of tomorrow to ruin my ability to enjoy today, but to retain an awareness that I might surprise myself and live long enough to face the consequences.

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      • That last paragraph is Comment of the Week material.

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      • “Another way I phrase it is that the leading cause of death is conception.”

        So, you are saying fucking without a condom is dangerous?

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      • “So, you are saying fucking without a condom is dangerous?”

        Yes, but not to me.

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      • Living each day like it is your last is a noble sentiment but in practice would be really fucking tiring.

        Now; if you knew that today would be your last, that would be entirely a different proposition.

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      • Seriously, all that begging and praying to god to spare me every day would really wear on me.

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      • Live every day as if it’s your last, and one day you’re sure to be right.

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      • The problem with life is not that it is too short; the problem is that it is too long.

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      • It comes like a thief in the night….so always be ready.

        That doesn’t mean engage in every pleasure known to man…it means keep your soul on the right track. That takes a lot less energy.

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      • Just keep your house in order.

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      • Oh wait, I get it now. You’re trolling.

        In which case, decent effort, I’d give it a 6/10.

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    • I am a lot good looking, and so my mom, she is in her 40 ies, and she still look enough good ( and i don’t approve people looks so easy, if i say she is good looking for her age, she really is )

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    • Yes, you’re a cool alpha, all the ladies dig you.

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    • You are correct, however I would note that obtaining a proposal is not a necessary perquisite to obtaining a marriage.

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  3. One who wishes to associate with the dead ought to frequent graveyards.

    One who wishes to associate with those who wish traditional marriage ought to frequent churches. Preferable not feminized churches (google: Dalrock).

    Being on the hunt for a husband for a lifelong mate is more than laudable, but you must fish in the ocean, not the desert.

    Play the huntress until you find the most rich vein, then play the damsel in distress looking for the alpha. And be ready to accept a high beta.

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    • This chick’s frame is all wrong. (What else is new?)

      She is searching for a technique to lure a man into her superficial world — and one soon to expire. Any man she “burns for” by definition will not fall for silly tricks or pointers from an advice column.

      She is playing hunter when her only chance is to become prey. She cannot even fathom being the passive agent, and why should she? She has never known otherwise. “Right now I can have my pick of most men,” you see. Her frame of mind is proactive: “What should I do?”

      Women never have been able to navigate the sexual market place with any degree of skill. That is why protective dads and traditional customs sheltered their innocence while vetting all of a girl’s prospects on her behalf. Not only does she have none of this protection, she has indulged the opposite. She was brought up to think such social defenses were outdated, if not the subject matter for ridicule. Often by the very ones charged with her protection themselves. (Single moms. Cunt dads.)

      And after 26-years of reinforcement, her corruptions have hardened into concrete. She is unable to imagine not pursuing what she “burns for,” though she can already see how that orientation will soon destroy her. Only thing in her mind left to do? Ask for marriage advice from a notorious womanizer and exploiter who has no use for the institution. That’s like asking a salivating carnivore about vegan dishes.

      There is nothing for her to do. Especially since she is still factoring in the total irrelevancy of her hypergamy to her new concern. Hypergamy is queen, she has never seen it controlled, she doesn’t even know what control looks like. And yet she thinks she can simply choose, a pure act of will, to “redirect [her] attentions towards betas.”

      Preserving a woman’s virginity is translated by sexual revolutionaries as a denial of fun, or a fusty old tradition that has been outmoded by contemporary mores. Like men, today’s girl doesn’t see the point of it (if, perhaps, there remains some vestigial shame).

      Shaming sluts and marrying for life as virgins was never really about the simple preservation of innocence. It wasn’t even about holding onto an asset so that a girl holds an edge over her competition for alpha males.

      It was about not treating one’s body like a commodity because that attitude, much less the universal practice, makes “commitment” impossible for women and for men. And marriage is not a mere commitment. It is the creation of one flesh. You don’t sign a contract, you exchange vows. Every act of preemptive union diminishes the ability to make a true vow of oneself. That woman’s soul belongs to the 12 or 20 or 212 dicks that have been in her, a little slice has been shaved off every time, whether she “committed” her soul to them or not, whether she had any earthly idea what she was doing or not.

      Marriage is impossible where the premises of the sacrament are abused or ignored as obsolete. There is no such thing as marriage today. But our immature little correspondent here still pines for it, doesn’t she? She has nothing to give in exchange for the alpha male’s soul, and the alpha male as defined by players likewise brings nothing to the table in this regard (which is why they despise it as a prison). Just two dead-eyed empty spirits who agree to live in proximity with each other until one becomes disaffected.

      Of course there is a way to rejuvenate her soul, but that advice might as well be written in another language. She has no capacity to understand it, unless she reverts to becoming “like a little child.” Instead she comes here and receives more of the water which will make her thirsty again.

      She says she is beginning to dread the wall. Unlikely. If she truly does, it is obviously not anywhere close to enough to make her act wisely, as if on a tightrope, where any false move is her last. When she fears it like she fears death, maybe she will get someplace — an unlikely development in a culture that pretends death does not exist.

      She doesn’t burn for alpha. She burns for The Alpha who can successfully put the fear of death into her heart. Small chance of that since her life so far has been dedicated to continuing the numbness. “A little poison now and then: that makes for pleasant dreams. And much poison at last for a pleasant death.”

      Matt

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 6:08 pm haunted trilobite

        It’s true: in Avatar the hot blue tree alien even said that once they did it that they’d mated for life. And the alpha unga bunga was raging. A bit of space age morality for the gizmo kids, in 3D nonetheless, with just enough hoo rah bravado to maybe get a few numbskulls to keep the war machine rolling.

        The question is, does a man also further entrench himself among the demons of hell, with each new notch? I honestly would guess it is so. Back in the days of virgin weddings, the men were virgins too, as both parties would have been betrothed age 13 or so. Although in greece, the boy might’ve had his back door busted in

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      • CH is the tree of good and evil. And this legit 8/9 on a good day wants 1 last bite.

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  4. good advice.

    here best bet is with a greater beta. Hardworking professional type, banker.lawyer, doctor these types tend to be socially awkward and ripe for the plucking by a young goodlooking woman who gives them some pussy.

    Forget about snagging the true alpha – the odds are simply against her.

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    • Greater beta is not a good idea for such a pretty girl. Because inevitably she will get unhaaaaaapy after a few years and frivorce him. Women need to either get with a man who is alpha enough so that frivorce never crosses their minds, or stay spinsters. I respect a woman who would rather be a spinster all her life than settle for a beta and then frivorce him.

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      • I don’t respect either. They are one in the same.

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      • No they are not. A woman who never gets married cannot screw over a man in divorce court.

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      • She could have his baby and get child support, or find some excuse to get government support.

        They have their ways.

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      • But I am still right. If she never marries, she cannot screw over a man in *divorce* court. I never said anything about women screwing over men in an out-of-wedlock child custody case.

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      • on August 25, 2013 at 4:56 pm haunted trilobite

        No way. The combination of frivolous and divorce. Such life-altering decisions can’t be based upon whim/transient opinions of media and others, can they?

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      • Dunno about this. She seems a bit more up on reality than most in her category from the way she described her situ.

        Would not be difficult to have an alpha arrangement and, even if beta husband found out, would rationalize the truth away in favor of keeping things as they are.

        I’ve known more than a few couples *ahem* that have somewhat of a “out of sight, out of mind” understanding, even if they haven’t verbally spelled it out, that allows the hypergamy wheel to keep spinning.

        It is what it is.

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      • “Would not be difficult to have an alpha arrangement . . .”

        . . . so long as she understands and can deal with the fact that her alpha husband may be honestly commited to her, but not, in the strictest sense, faithful.

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    • I don’t see it. Greater betas are accomplished at work even if they are not alpha bamboozlers. They are smart, educated, disciplined and capable of critical thought. Greater betas make partner, they become CEOs.

      As described by CH, this woman has nothing to offer except above average sexual access. A greater beta might make a good husband but he’s going to be looking for a partner, not an airhead economic dependent seeking retirement before she turns 30. A greater beta will marry a professional (assortive mating), and then she’ll stay home when the children arrive. They’ll remain partners and intellectual peers and comprise your typical bourgeois “team.”

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  5. If she’s an 8.5 on the verge of leaving fresh young womanhood, she’d better start considering men 7 and up. Not necessarily marrying any 7 that will have her, but that should be the range to be inspected. That reaches down into mid-beta, I would think. (Does anyone have percentages for alpha, high-beta, etc on the population of all single men of age roughly 30 ?)

    In addition to HB rating, there are other factors that affect the event of marriage and the course of that marriage. So on each of those dimensions, including HB rating, one must cast a wider net at least initially.

    And hurry! Women typically don’t notice their market value declining, and when it’s noticed that options are gone, there is no way to get them (or even equivalent options) back. Time only runs one way esp. for women.

    This is all pretty obvious to me. The part I don’t understand is how she makes sure she meets these men, but maybe as a girl she knows how to do this.

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  6. Geez, this couldnt of come at a better time. Lovely advice.

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  7. on August 25, 2013 at 3:41 pm Cad and Bounder

    “One other thing. Beware prowlers bearing charming wit. Unlike men you meet within your social circle, the lone wolf does not come favorably endorsed nor does he fear betraying your friends’ trust.”

    As a prowler bearing charming wit myself, I full endorse this advice. However, allow me add a caveat. When you are trying to snare a higher beta or an alpha by playing hard to get etc, and your sexual frustration starts to build up, please remember one thing.

    Sex with the discrete lone wolf wont have any comeback to you, your friends or your SMV. And he’s likely to show you a hell of a lot more fun than the guy you are trying to snare.

    That is all.

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  8. You are looking for a rare breed, lady.
    I might be a good example for such a person myself.

    Maldek is 40, has 3 kids and did not too long ago marry the mother of said kids. However it took her quite a while to qualify; we are talking about years here, not a few months.

    As a man with choice, I had the luxury to control the speed and to look twice before “buying”. Looks alone did not cut it.
    As a woman you are on a different timer than us men however. With 26 you are at the wrong side of 25 now. Getting babies (plural) past 30 is not easy for all women. Your looks wont get better in the years to come eighter.

    Your target age raised towards 35-45 might be a wise choice as I did not consider marriage until past 35. But even then, you may have to go “all-in” with an alpha and risk a few of your remaining good years on his side, before you can get the commitment you long for.

    Only dumb men with limited options marry a girl they know for a few weeks (months) just because she is hot.

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  9. on August 25, 2013 at 3:49 pm FuriousFerret

    If she’s a legit 9, you’re straight. 26 isn’t old for a HB9. Don’t listen to the idiots that will say she must have started a 21. She is one of the rare ones with the goods to take the aging hit.

    I really do think that feminine girl game has to be used to lock down true alpha males. I’m talking about the good looking, high money with magnetic personality. I don’t think that any amount of looks will suffice for high society alpha males which is what these kind of chicks desire for marriage hence even narrowing the criteria further. These guys are basically the manicorn. In my SWPL environment almost everybody even the guys with primo jobs have beta insides, so to find and lock down Don Draper must a be herculean task.

    The only advice that seems missing from the post is that she needs to take everything she knows about being an American female and throw it out the window. She basically has to do what we do and reprogram her personality to be more of something out of the 1950s than androgynous 2000s. She will face the same problems of going against the grain. She will be thrown of the ‘herd’. All of the media will tell her to behave the opposite and that she is a damaging the cause of women everywhere. However at the end of the day if you aren’t fulfilling your biological prime directive to the best of your ability you will hate yourself at the end of the day and never forgive yourself so it’s all worth it.

    Maybe you could be friends with Russian women or something? They seem to be the masters of this type of shtick. The ideal woman until marriage happens. I somehow feel dirty for helping the enemy :). Sorry Mr.Alpha Male, if you get trapped into marriage don’t blame me too much.

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  10. Was this post based on Kate / GeishaKate’s writing you and telling you that Mark Minter is suddenly having second thoughts about marriage….?

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  11. Learn some home-making skills, and eschew career talk. Because a man wants a wife, not a co-worker.

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    • Pointless careerism; the apex of Feminst achievement.

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      • Yes sir. And an ENTIRE generation will pay the suffrage and cost for this absurd lie… let us hope our nephews, sons, grandsons, etc. realize they were sold a “Bill of Goods” by the ugliest, most disingenuous, fat, man-hating, entitled cunts, the modern world has ever known….

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    • If learn how to cook, clean, iron, be feminine and sweet, learn how to suck dick like a pornstar and are great with kids Mr “Perfect” might not be all that far away.

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  12. Here’s my advice.

    Watch the movie “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind”. Find the place that has the machine that erases your memory. Erase all the memories of those things you did to those alphas and vice versa. Come back out into the world naive about what type of man you are looking for. Get married to the first one that shows interest.

    Because in the current scenario…whomever does come around for you to marry will always be at highest #3 on your list.

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  13. “. . . If you can suffer the even-temper and placid mood of the greater beta. . .”

    WTF? The day being even-tempered became a minus quality for a mate was the day American died. Who the fuck wants to wake up to some big mouth every morning not knowing if he/she will still love you based on mood?

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  14. This advice is like telling a beta to lower his sights to a 5 or 6 if he wants to get a gf. She’ll have to lower her expectations.

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  15. I’m a man and this is great advice.

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  16. Fake.
    No woman – especially not an attractive one – writes like that.
    Penthouse letter all the way, regardless of whatever pirated pics were attached.

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  17. IMO a rich alpha man probably has lots of options with a lot of really beautiful women and probably won’t marry a woman unless she is extremely beautiful, young, and has a really good personality/character and a lot to offer.

    I believe you need to choose between either a rich beta or if you really want to be with an ‘alpha’ type man, to marry a poorer one. You have to choose which is more important to you.

    I’m close to your age and when I was younger I married a man with a very ‘daydreamer’ type personality, not very financially successful, does bodybuilding and personal hobbies but never cared about formal schooling or professional advancement. But he was very much ‘alpha’ type in personality, and politically conservative wanting a family, so that is good enough for me.

    I am a 7 (was rated on here), I was closer to 8 when I was younger when I got married. I know I can’t have everything. Your standards are too high, I’m not meaning to sound rude, but you can’t have everything 100% perfect.

    Best of luck to you! You’re lucky to be young and beautiful, count your blessings, and don’t waste it 🙂

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    • on August 25, 2013 at 11:38 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

      “But he was very much ‘alpha’ type in personality, and politically conservative wanting a family, so that is good enough for me.”

      Sounds like true love.

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      • Yeah 😀

        I’m not as beautiful as the woman asking for advice, but I still managed to marry an ‘alpha,’ but I was younger than her, and I had to learn to live with a man who didn’t care much about money and be willing to not have luxuries and live cheaply with the bare necessities. What is more important to you? To me, being with a man I was attracted to was more important than having material things. The man who is both financially successful AND alpha/attractive would probably be hard to get to marry you. Choose one or the other!

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      • He has also cheated on me a few times. But for the most part I live a happy and traditional family life.

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      • Wow, you’re smart. Congrats on being smart.

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      • “Wow, you’re smart. Congrats on being smart.”

        I think so too 😀

        The woman asking for advice should realize that she will not have a 100% perfect life. I am satisfied with a man I am attracted to, and our children get to look up to him like he’s a superhero because he’s so athletic. I’m still not 100% “happy” and that’s ok. I have to worry and fret about money. I know other married women who are financially stable but feel irked by their husbands and hate having sex with them. To get a perfect rich alpha she is attracted to, a woman would have to be perfect herself. If an imperfect woman (and we all are) is wishing for a perfect life and the fulfillment of everything she wants, she will be disappointed. This woman needs to either settle for a moneyed beta or a poorer alpha. It depends on what she would dread more, spending eternity with a husband she lusts for but worrying about money, or spending her life comfortably well off with a man she comes to despise.

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      • It’s not that difficult a choice, I’d think.

        Though such days are behind me now, I have lived through extreme poverty… and never been distraught much. My basic needs were being met, and for a while, that was all I had. I learned to survive, even thrive, on a very meagre income.

        But maybe it was the unwavering faith that I’d soon make it that got me through. Maybe it’d be harder if a woman lacked that faith in her man’s ambition.

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  18. If the female hypergamous rationalisation hamster compels her to marry up; does it not then stand to reason that most men; particularly high value Alpha males end up having to marrying down?

    Whether these men accept having to, or want to marry down is what has the Hamster quaking in fear and confusion.

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    • on August 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm FuriousFerret

      Hypergamy is technically used to represent women marrying up in social status and/or class.

      Men will bang/marry lower class hotties. In fact that’s been a very good way of social mobility for a vast majority of human history.

      I guess the monkey wrench would be in the past the practice of nobility marrying off nobles based on land agreements and wealth with the accepted practice that the Lord would have mistresses on the side as long as he had a couple of heirs with his blue blooded shrew wife.

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    • Men don’t really marry down. They just settle for one woman, when they would prefer many.

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      • Lara; that is quite possibly the most intelligent thing a female has posted in this forum in about 6 months.

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      • Lara, queen of pith, is partly right. Marriage imposes restrictions on male desire that it does not impose on female desire because of the differing reproductive goals of the sexes. However, Lara’s pith, like most pith, is incomplete. Men do exercise quality control on the women they choose to commit to, and thus it is possible for a man to marry down by, say, marrying a fat cow when he could have married a slender babe. Quantity AND quality are both male concerns. For women, mate quality is job one, and really the only job.

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    • Men by definition marry down.

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  19. on August 25, 2013 at 7:09 pm Hook or Crook

    Absolutely off topic: Change her mood – not her mind.

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  20. This is great advice, but the chances of her taking it are 50/50. 26 is a tough year for pretty women. You realize on some deep internal level you’ve already peaked, but if you’re still hot you haven’t yet noticed the decline in male attention that sends most women scrambling to “get serious.” You can still go out dancing and have men falling all over you, which for many women provides much more of a thrill (however fleeting) than the serious, arduous process of finding a mate. In a culture with an artificially delayed marital age, it’s the year where the rubber meets the road for most attractive Western women.

    Some women undergo the difficult task of reining in their hypergamy and setting their sights on men a little less “exciting” than the alpha ex. But many many other see the glitter and glamorous frisson of the carousel, think “hey, a year or two more won’t hurt” and hop back on. Similar to a smoker looking at a diseased lung on the cigarette pack and thinking “eh one more won’t hurt, I’ll quit before it’s too late.” Attention and validation are equally powerful and dangerous drugs for pretty women.

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    • When the hamster gets overly validated and empowered it spins so hard and fast the hamster wheel bearings eventually undergo catastrophic failure.

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    • When she’s 26, even a dime doesn’t have a chance at getting an alpha-plus male. CH is right… aim for lesser alphas. If no luck within the next couple of years, go for greater betas. By the time she’s 30, she is automatic provider-beta material.

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      • 19 years old, and preferably a virgin, is Alpha husband material. And even then, it’s shaky ground because the girl has to be especially level headed.

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      • When she’s 26, even a dime doesn’t have a chance at getting an alpha-plus male.

        Once men have enough experience to realize pretty girls are a dime (pun intended) a dozen, and/or they become old enough to see formerly cute peers hit the wall, they seek other qualities to attach themselves to, if they attach at all.

        Therefore her options are duping the young and inexperienced for ten years max, or adopting qualities that will last beyond her looks — like femininity, constancy, modesty, maternalism, instinctive submissiveness. My personal theory is that personalities are baked into the cake by the age of 25 latest, so this option would not be available to her.

        Then again the phenomenon of a man discounting/not noticing a woman’s deterioration if he sees her every day is a factor. The gradual wall.

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  21. The writer should also be as sexually available as the Alpha man demands. If she has more then one or two hangups that will throw up red cards all around. “Ah if she won’t do that when she is trying to impress me wait until the shackles of the state are thrust upon me” he will be thinking.

    One of the greatest fears men have about entering into marriage is that the sex will dry up faster then an old woman’s vagina. If he demands blow jobs say how long, if he wants you to swallow his cum you say how much, if he wants to do anal you grin and bear it. If you are not 100% accessible then good luck locking him down.

    The Greater Beta is also not the world’s worst option. I know many happily married women who chose this option. A Greater Beta is programmed to be more monogamous and stable then an Alpha but not as boring as a garden variety Beta. He might not get your hamster revving at the sight of his muscle bound shirtless body, but with three little rug rats running around how much time are you going to have for sheer mattress grabbing passion anyhow. A Greater Beta will provide you with the right mix of Alpha and Beta to whereby your marriage will probably be mostly on the happy side. He may pull one or two mistresses over the course of a long marriage during the dry spots, but unlike your Alpha hubby who will be pulling them every business trip.

    Either way make your move soon. You are about 2-4 years away from the wall. At that point a Greater Beta may be your not only your best but also an outside chance option.

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    • on August 26, 2013 at 12:25 am gunslingergregi

      One of the greatest fears men have about entering into marriage is that the sex will dry up faster then an old woman’s vagina. ””””””

      that might be your greatest fear

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  22. Greater betas are the solution. I went to law school, and many attorneys are greater betas. Successful, hard-working, commitment oriented with good social skills but not the superior charisma of alphas. This is where you look.

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    • The flipside is that the proportion of women (putting looks aside) that make for viable, good long term partners/wives is diminishing with ever passing year.

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    • on August 25, 2013 at 8:12 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      ummmmm, why would an attorney, knowledgable of the law, want to mary a pre-buttcocked bernankfieid multi-fucked, multi-cock-sucking gold digger who was pumped and dumped by several men with larger cockasdx dan him?

      why the fuck would he want to marry that and not just pump and dump it too?

      is jack a woman?

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      • Exactly. This woman’s qualifications for marriage, she says, are that she has a pretty face, small waist, and a vagina. Meanwhile, some guy tortured himself through seven years of brutally competitive school, then another 5-7 years of 80-100 weeks in order to make partner, honing his mind to a level 99% of the population can’t reach.

        So obviously he’s going to give himself to someone who has nothing on the ball except a nice smile and functioning genitalia.

        A good attorney who was physically a 4-5 might go for it. Someone as ugly as Harvey Weinstein might say, What the hell, I’m short and fat and she’s still willing to marry me. At least I get to draft the pre-nup. But even Harvey Weinstein, whose first wife was a true 9, married a woman with an education, professional experience, judgment and class. She wasn’t a club-crawler.

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  23. Being conservative and having HB siblings is a key indicator, that includes extended families like cousins. I am fiercely protective of every single one of them and would destroy anyone who dare hurt or cross them.

    Also be maternal and never a ball buster. Having a loyal and supportive wife is imperative to alphas with demanding careers. Don’t forget alphas are always in demand and don’t have to take the BS that most betas have to take. Think of Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

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    • Mess with me and you mess with the whole trailer park…

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    • What is an “HB sibling”?

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      • HB = High bred or born.

        In my circle it means chaste, feminine, good reputation/family name and have the ability to keep the family unit intact by being an ideal spouse. Since when was being protective of family members a sign of trailerpark status?

        The mormons fight against Mexican drug cartels and the Rockefellers, Vanderbilts, Kohlbergs, Carnegies only marry extended families. Seriously, liberals have no concept of ingroup loyalty and hence like to play checkers than chess and care more about some ‘cute’ animal than human lives.

        ‘Blood is always thicker than water.’

        No wonder they get checkmated by 50 and resort to strong medicine and drinks, while being useful idiots/pawns for trivial mass movements.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 6:37 pm haunted trilobite

        You’ve to be careful you don’t turn into a white knight masked avenger. Since you look up to families so much, remember the moral lesson Don Corleone gave the disrespectful father who wanted his daughter’s assailants to be killed.

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      • White knighting works for close family, extended family and ingroups. Just look at human history and how those who implement the most aggressive form of nepotism are in the best position to survive.

        Sure, take your life lessons from a fictional mob character… keep drinking the Hollywood kool aid.

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      • on August 29, 2013 at 3:08 am haunted trilobite

        Keep drinking the hollywood kool aid that the women in your family aren’t whores who might not always be worth getting blood on your hands for

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  24. I always try to find out early what his relationship history is. If no LTRs then just move on.

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  25. Yes, dating older men is a solution. An older alpha male begins to feel two pressing awarenesses: his posterity, and his mortality. In this psychological stew, the love of a younger, loyal woman beckoning him to surrender his bachelor freedoms is a temptation hard to resist.

    Oddly, this doesn’t seem to have been communicated to Western woman. Mainly the States and the UK and to a lesser degree, any Western European Country. The “Have It All(tm)” delusion seems to be alive and well in these places. Eastern Europe and beyond, Asia, South America— in my experience are HIGHLY aware of the above. 40 YO Male former Ultra Alpha, with 25 YO female who may or may not.. have rode the cock carousel can have a magnificent future together and go to old age.

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  26. on August 25, 2013 at 10:27 pm Sieve of Eratosthenes

    Honestly, I don’t know why anyone here would bother giving her advice.

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    • Sometimes I yearn for the opportunity to give a young woman advice along the following lines.

      “You are an amazing, beautiful woman and you deserve the best, so don’t settle until you find a really special man who is worthy of you, who deserves you and who can make you happy.”

      Then sit back and allow the hamster to spin itself into oblivion.

      LOLZ

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      • I can’t understand why… they get that advice 100,000 times a day.

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      • Exactly, the hamster is already spinning and if you as a man are in the position where you are giving her such advice then you aren’t fucking her.

        So why not give the hamster an extra hard spin, Wheel of Fortune style and let it go on its way.

        When the Hamster finally stops spinning, and comes to it’s senses, it will be too late and only then, maybe; will the collective younger Hamsters see the light….. when they see where the older Hamsters have ended up on masse.

        We are battling a rising tide of Hamsters, all spinning and spinning ever the faster.
        So, let them spin and if we can, with minimal cost to ourselves why not give them an extra spin.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm haunted trilobite

        I never understood why they’re called spinning classes until now.

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      • The perfect moment for this is when you break up with her.

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 6:43 pm haunted trilobite

        Sheer brilliance

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    • Honestly, I don’t know why anyone here would bother giving her advice.

      The paternal instinct. Or a veiled attempt to pick her up (boys in the bullpen-/beta-orbiter-style).

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  27. […] As I am 26 and not going to be more attractive in five years, and I would like to get married within that time frame, how do I go about eschewing the alphas who are not interested in me for marriage? Should I start directing my attentions to the ones around 40 and up? Right …read more […]

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  28. I do not want this to be taken the wrong way… but perhaps our seeker of wisdom could well be advised to approach her dilemma the way a whore would. Of course, by “whore” I mean a skilled, clear headed, top-notch, hard working professional escort.
    The type of guy she needs on emotional grounds is likely to have an equally clear-headed understanding of the deep nature of “business”, (when it comes to these matters.

    What words do you think passed between Louis 14th and his various baby-mothers? Or Edward (the Prince of Wales) and Lily LANGTRY or Jennie Churchill ?

    The whole business was a straight across trade.
    IOWs, don’t ask too much; dont ask too little. And yet, bring clarity. You will stay pretty until he is too old to care and you will keep his balls drained at all times and therefore he will pay for everything (more or less) including the children I will surely make with you.
    It might not be a Fairy tail.
    Excuse me… I think I farted…

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  29. Let me just preface this by saying that I really feel like I’m letting everyone down here. I’m not getting as much success as everybody else like Immoralgables and Scray so that discourages me from posting my weak shit. Nonetheless, just to demonstrate that I am making attempts, here’s my FR.

    Went to beach today. Have been slowly weening myself off of my shitty wingmen. And then somehow we end up in the same place lol.

    3-set opened by friend (we were talking turns approaching). I come in after a while with a polish beer (didn’t finish it, wasn’t even tipsy):

    Me: How do you guys know each other?
    Polish Girl: I’m really impressed that you’re drinking (insert Polish beer here).
    Me: Thanks, I’m impressed that you’re impressed. (?! i said this several times)*
    Polish Girl: Where’d you get that? You can’t even buy that anywherre.
    Me: I’m a drunk dealer, so I get hooked up 😉
    Irish Girl: Wow.
    Friend: So what are you guys?
    (They say where they’re from)
    Me: You guys in college?
    Polish Girl: Nah, post grads.
    Me: So are we!
    Polish Girl: Lol
    Irish Girl: (turns to Polish and Croatian Girl) Yeah we should probably get going.
    Polish Girl: (blows us kiss goodbye) Nice meeting you. I’m REALLY impressed you have that drink lol
    Me: READ ABOVE*
    They leave

    2 German Girls. I approach. Friend joins later.

    Me: Hey guys, just wanted to say what’s up.
    Germans: Haha okay.
    Me: Do you guys have boyfriends?
    Germans: Lol no.
    Me: Nice, at least the first part’s handled. (or some shit)
    Germans: Chuckle
    Me: Whatre you guys up to?
    Germans: Just hanging out.
    Me: Cool. (I blank)
    Friend says shit about Germans and speaks Gerrman or something.
    I talk to my hotter target.
    Me: We wouldn’t get along.
    Hot German: Why not?
    Me: Because there’d be too much drama. We’d argue and fight all day and then cuddle at night.
    Hot: Lol
    Me: Yeah I’m total drama blah blah blah, more shit to make her react.
    Hot: Ooookay lol
    Convo dies.
    Friend continues convo with both. We take it nowhere. Convo dies. We leave.

    Big titty blonde chick HB9-10

    Me: Are you single? (as she walks past. looks to have ignored me).
    HB9: (Turns around and stops) Yes.
    Me: (flustered as fuck) Uh, okay, we’ll see you around then.

    Fail lol

    Single MILF

    Me: Can I rub nutella on your booty? (credit Vitalyzdtv)
    MILF: What?
    Me: I said, can I rub nutella on your booty?
    MILF: Depends on how it’s taken off 😉
    Me: Awesome! See you’re cool.
    MILF: Haha thanks.
    Me: Who are you here with?
    MILF: My son (points to toddler)
    Me: Oh… you have a husband?
    MILF: Nope.
    Me: Nice. Yeah nice. (Lol no idea where to take it again.) Where do you stay at?
    MILF: I live in the suburbs.
    Me: Oh no, you’re boring lol.
    MILF: Haha.
    Me: So what do you do?
    MILF: Be boring I guess.
    Me: Haha I was kidding… alright well. Guess I’ll see you around.

    And two others not worth mentioning. Got a number from one. Texted but didn’t text back.

    Big titty hot black chick and friends invite me to dance. I kinda dance, but not really. They leave.

    Was with a friend who bitched about how bad we were doing and wanted to see my game. All of these were basically a step back from how I’ve been doing stuff recently (sincere game or whatever) so yeah, really weird. Got my practice in I guess.

    Original goal was to head downtown and talk to girls (after reading Immoralgables FR, I was inspired). But then acquaintance I haven’t hung out with out of the blue texts me and I’m like… fine. Bitches the whole time about how girls are supposed to come to him. He approaches, gets a number of this older MILF. So we basically did the same.

    Going out this week for sure though (only went out for a day this weekend). Fake pua dude is getting annoying. Keeps asking me to hangout on the weekends. Doesn’t really approach when I ask him to show me what he’s got since most of the time he makes fun of my approaches. Gets old fast.

    Basically tired off all these socially weird guys wanting to hang out with me. What is it about me that attracts weirdos? I’m just gonna start saying no, man. Super annoying. i want to hangout with socialites and get invited to parties, not hangout with people who only want to get laid without talking to everybody in general.

    This isn’t even something to brag about it’s just annoying. Well there it is. Going to try daygame after work tomorrow. We’ll see what happens.

    Yes, I know I need to lead. Really going to try and go out alone this weekend. (Only went out once this weekend. Basically starting to dread the weekend cuz of these annoying dudes who keep asking me to hangout. It really is my fault tho for saying “fine, lets hang” when I should be saying “no, i’m going out alone. if you don’t like me anymore then peace out”.

    This felt good, writing this out. Hope to have more success during the week.

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    • One difficult thing that will be great to learn is how to carry on convo that doesn’t involve boring things such as rote asking where they’re from and what they do. That’s good, but only if you mix it up with fun stuff, such as random remarks about something she’s wearing or carrying, or the venue, or other people there. If you learn how to do this effortlessly, it should make things much easier for you.

      You also seem to get flustered easily when women say something you completely do not expect. Again, make random funny statements about the situation to amp up the comedy factor and the tension and go from there. For example, the MILF that you called “boring” and she admitted it, she was submitting to you and waiting for something else.

      If you’re having trouble with annoying dudes, what you could do is tell them, “I may be heading down to X place,” and, naturally, not go to X place and let them all hang out with each other. Bonus on sending the fake PUA there too.

      Finally, I recommend not saying anything when you part company with a girl, but just walk away, thereby leaving a plausible opening to re-engage. If you say your farewells, it’s seen as a way of dismissing the other person, and coming back would automatically be a bit awkward. In fact, if you’ll notice, girls do that same thing to you, that is, say “well, have a good evening,” or something to that effect if they’re not interested in hanging out with you.

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    • A lotta good stuff here my man. Here are some of my thoughts:

      “Let me just preface this by saying that I really feel like I’m letting everyone down here. I’m not getting as much success as everybody else like Immoralgables and Scray so that discourages me from posting my weak shit.”

      -Don’t beat yourself like that. Or explain yourself. Or compare. Or feel indebted to anyone to live up to some sort of “pimp” image. And….if you’re approaching, it ain’t “weak.” Taking action = success. Failing = not swinging the stick. There’s your barometer for success from here on out. Like Jeffy from RSD says: It’s the guys who are willing to “nail themselves to the cross” so to speak who usually get thru the learning curve quicker. It’s the rationalizers that stay in place.

      “Was with a friend who bitched about how bad we were doing and wanted to see my game”

      -Gross. This guy is not your friend. You don’t have to prove yourself to anyone. I cut people out of my social circle with too big an ego. In my experience it never ends well, because a) I’m on a path to betterment by examining reality and b) they are usually the complete opposite of a). Any time I’ve made an exception for them, it always bites me in the ass.

      Otherwise man great stuff.

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      • And….if you’re approaching, it ain’t “weak.” Taking action = success. Failing = not swinging the stick. There’s your barometer for success from here on out.

        The hot chick who said “yes” when you asked her if you’re single is evidence enough that women wish dudes would actually effin’ talk to ’em rather than just standing there gaping like a moron.

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      • Exactly. And he said the chick was a 9, which means that she’s not getting hit on NEARLY as much as most guys would assume. Since most guys check out completely on hitting on a girl like that because they (wrongly) guess that she would be tougher to get and they don’t have what it takes.

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    • @Hunter,

      Watch this…

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      • In real life the guy is trying to yell over the blaring music.
        Such is the reality of nearly ALL bar and club game.

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      • WHAT’S YOUR MAJOR?

        I SAID : WHAT’S YOUR MAJOR?

        OH. WHAT BAND IS HE IN?

        I SAID : WHAT BAND IS YOUR BOYFRIEND IN?

        ETC ETC ETC ETC

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      • Body language trumps whatever you’re saying in a loud venue. When talking to women in a place like that, it doesn’t really matter what you talk about (or try to talk about).

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      • on August 26, 2013 at 7:01 pm haunted trilobite

        Both of them started sucking off producers at age 10 in order to read these lines provided by writers who have a passing acquaintance with game.

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    • on August 26, 2013 at 4:35 am immoralgables

      “I’m not getting as much success as everybody else like Immoralgables and Scray so that discourages me from posting my weak shit. Nonetheless, just to demonstrate that I am making attempts, here’s my FR.”

      I’m going to chime in quick before I got to head to work. If you’ve read most of my FR’s, they are pretty much Fuck-Up Reports in one way or another. I’m not even getting conventional success (ie, banging hotties left and right). I’m just getting success in the sense that I’m taking action, making approaches, getting numbers and learning from my mistakes.

      Learning from my mistakes. Making mistakes is way better than not taking action at all.

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      • @immoral…that’s why the abundance mentality is so vital. IF you think you’ve fucked up, you have. I’ve stopped thinking like that. I just think myeh…and move on.

        I haven’t had the numerical success of last year where I banged 12 girls, this year I’ve banged 4 but 2 were under 28 and I’m dating only 7+’s….

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      • Wow everyone, didn’t expect this much support haha I honestly don’t feel too beat up about it. Really just my ego trying to fuck with my perspective on how things went.

        I actually did do some cold reading on the Hot German, telling her she looked very independent and hoped she isn’t needy (forgot to add that in). With the MILF convo, forgot to add that I also said “I tell pretty girls that I like rubbing nutella on them. Still pretty awkward about it ;). She responds “Well glad to know I’m the first one you tried it out on”. Then I run out of shit to say.

        Approached other girl, says she has bf, but is out in the water. I eject.

        So yeah, small extra details.

        @corvinus Super solid advice/tips man, thanks. I think I will make it a point not to ask those interview-style questions anymore unless I’m genuinely interested instead of a way of prolonging convo. Word of the day for going out was clearly “value-taking”. Also wasn’t having much fun in between sets, sorry to say.

        And haha, just like, walk away? I can only picture doing that being super random. Like, walking away when the convo dies haha. But sure, I’ll try it a few times.

        @pbsdiaries Thanks for the encouragement man. I’ve completely made up my mind to drop these guys for sure. Just in a more “life happens” way rather than in a “I don’t want to hangout with you” sort of way. Just to not completely be a dick. Or maybe I’m gonna have to be one.

        Appreciate it, man!

        @walawala Yeah thanks for sharing! I’ve seen the video. I am acutely aware I have a problem with pecking. Honestly getting rejected so many times has led to me caring less and less about what girls say. As a result, my body language is less “eager” and more “assuming”. Like, “whatever happens, I’m cool”.

        @immoral I’d like to read more of yours. I feel like I’ve only read your best stuff. Same with Scray. Which makes me sort of feel like you guys have always been badasses lol. Gonna do a search and start from the beginning.

        Glad I could get my feelings out into the open, really helps.

        P.S. Going out alone is definitely something I like doing now, because I can make friends anywhere, I’ve realized.

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      • You are coming on strong for someone who is inexperienced. Tone down your game a little. Also, approaching girls on the street is difficult. You should try to meet them, in an environment, where you have more time to make a good impression. Don’t be too down on yourself, you aren’t any worse than a lot of guys.

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      • And haha, just like, walk away? I can only picture doing that being super random. Like, walking away when the convo dies haha. But sure, I’ll try it a few times.

        Not quite like that. My preferred method is to look at the scene around me for maybe ten seconds and then saunter away if she doesn’t (or I don’t) think of something else to say.

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    • You definitely could have hooked the single MILF, to me it sounds like she greenlit you immediately. Fast forward to the closing stage and don’t complicate it: be cool, set up a date for later (go for same evening at her house), once you’re done tell her you have to bounce instead of hanging around awkwardly, for the date bring a bottle of wine and a charming grin, presto.

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    • Whoa, whoa, whoa….lol….go back and read some of my older FR’s man. I didn’t get like ANY success for a long fucking time. After about 6 months I randomly got lucky in Jamaica, and then two months later ran into a few girls (this is in the context tho of a 30 day challenge where I racked up a ton of sets). Shit dude, you should just read some of my first POSTS here to get an idea.

      What little I’ve gotten from the game took a lot of work — and it coincided with a lot of other improvements, like working out/losing weight, learning new fun skillz, etc. etc.

      You have to move past being results oriented. You’re a poker player now. The result honestly means nothing, because it’s ultimately out of your control. How you play your cards is all that matters.

      ‘Me: Thanks, I’m impressed that you’re impressed. (?! i said this several times)*’

      This is a solid response to any cute girl’s compliment. While not all compliments are shit tests, it’s usually a safe bet to assume they are. My general rule is a GG — grateful and glib. For example, “you’re really good at conversation.” Response is grateful — thanks, and glib — you must not talk to people that often (follow with laugh — zomg wat laughing at your own jokes is beta?!?!??! just trust, this is already cocky and you have to ease the tension by letting them know you’re kidding; okay, fine James Bond…at least smile lol).

      ‘Me: So are we!’

      This is a good start, but you have to try and throw them a liferaft or something to keep the convo going. Who knows if they would have stayed, but maybe you up your odds with a little roleplay:

      “So are we, we have soooo much in common! But there’s four of us and we can’t all get married to one another?!?!?!??!! That’d be ridiculous, are you guys into polyamory? I BET YOU ARE, AREN’T YOU. No wonder you liked my drink — I picked up what you were putting down ((ya this makes no sense, it doesn’t matter, they love it — once you unlock this key, it gets way easier to just shoot the shit)) ”

      Then just come up with a game as to how you’d assign wives to you and your buddies. You could probably get some sikkkkkk qualification going on — for ex: ‘Okay, well MY wife would have to like X, Y, and Z….” Her: “ZOMG I love X Y Z….”

      “Me: Are you single? (as she walks past. looks to have ignored me).
      HB9: (Turns around and stops) Yes.
      Me: (flustered as fuck) Uh, okay, we’ll see you around then.”

      WTF. First of all, this opener can go either way depending on body language. However, the fact that she TURNED AROUND, STOPPED, and….ANSWERED you? omg, just get the condoms already lol.

      And then you….LEAVE?!?!?!?! WTFWTFWTF. Hahahahaha, I WISH some shit like this would happen to me in the face of an HB9. But yeah, get used to being surprised by who talks back or reacts to you or who -holy shit- you may have a shot with. I’ve been here, I know dat feel.

      ‘Me: Can I rub nutella on your booty?’

      lol…bold, good screening opener too. Some openers are good in that, if a girl even RESPONDS to them, you can almost take it as an IOI. The ones I tend to use (altho, a lot of the time I just say ‘what’s up’ and refer to something about the venue now)….don’t give me that benefit.

      ‘MILF: Depends on how it’s taken off ;)’

      K. Where are the condoms? She’s into it.

      ‘Me: Who are you here with?
      MILF: My son (points to toddler)’

      Eh, I would just not even bring stuff like that up so soon. That way, you can tell where you’re at when she DOES bring it up. For example, if she brings it up immediately in the interaction (Opener — I’m here with my son = not interested vs. Opener/solid A2/A3 — I’m here with my boyfriend = interested and letting you know what barriers stand between you and her)

      ‘Me: Nice. Yeah nice. (Lol no idea where to take it again.) Where do you stay at?
      MILF: I live in the suburbs.
      Me: Oh no, you’re boring lol.
      MILF: Haha.
      Me: So what do you do?
      MILF: Be boring I guess.
      Me: Haha I was kidding… alright well. Guess I’ll see you around.”

      Yeah man, you gotta start playing games. Just memorize a stack to the point of being able to go on auto-pilot. Never ask questions again! They are KILLING YOU. Once you memorize a stack and have tons of shit to say and do you’ll start to fall into your own style.

      ‘i want to hangout with socialites and get invited to parties, not hangout with people who only want to get laid without talking to everybody in general.’

      That will all come in time. But if I were you, I’d hang out with those ‘weirdos,’ for now. The reason being that, ya they will try to leech off your value, and to that I say — so what. That is learning how to be a high value individual. High value individuals, for the most part, give value. Try to make your weirdo crew better. And ya, they’ll bust on you for approaching — so what, you’re giving them the night of their lives. When you can just do your thing regardless of what they say or do, that’s when those socialites will start taking notice.

      It’s good that you have such a desire to improve though. Like anything else, it’s just about dedication. We’re all gonna make it, bro ;D

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  30. I wonder if she has any idea what she’s actually asking for and if she is bringing anything of value into a marriage. It sounds like she’s stuck in an early-20s mindset and wants to get commitment from a man before her looks decline, thinking that will solve the problem of her fading beauty. I’m seeing this with my married friends recently. Married in their early twenties to women who were in their prime at that time, now the women are in their 30s and declining while the men are still on the ascent. The women have little to offer. What they had was their looks. My buddy has to travel to China for work, he says women follow him around over them and would cook and clean and do all sorts of stuff for him happily that his faded-beauty of a wife can’t or won’t do. He says he’s trying to avoid “the grass is greener” thinking, but a lazy wife with fading looks doesn’t help matters. I don’t know if it’ll help her get what she wants but it’ll definitely help her keep what she gets if she can contribute something to the marriage other than her looks and an early-20s-age attitude.

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    • Exactly.
      I think more mothers or perhaps wise aunts need to sit their young women down on a regular basis and drill the following message into the heads of the newly married:
      Your looks won’t last. His will keep improving.
      If you aren’t being a classic good wife, he’ll meet plenty of women offering those perks to him.
      If you keep his balls drained, and his stomach fed with good healthy food, you leave very little for those other women to work with.
      Being a nagging bitch is a certain way to help him find other women.

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  31. Everyone seems to be missing the most important thing here…Pretty Girl should ask guys whether they anticipate marrying soon, long before a year into the relationship. The question isn’t whether she should ask, it’s how and when to ask without sounding desperate. (Maybe not the first date, but definitely not a year later.) A good proxy is to ask whether they want kids soon, because why would an alpha who doesn’t want kids get married?

    Asking a guy about his goals isn’t 100% accurate, but it’s a lot more accurate than guessing his desire for marriage based on how alpha he is.

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    • Most men… scratch that, most alphas… would be scared away from a chick dropping bombs like that too soon in a relationship. Hell, some men hate hearing those questions TEN YEARS into relationships! And it would be a very dumb man indeed who didn’t recognize a question about wanting children as a proxy for a question about his marital intentions.

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      • Notice how the girl in question ONLY mentions her age and her looks.
        What else does she have to offer?

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      • The only things a woman can offer are sex, tenderness, and affection. Period. Nearly all modern young women have been brainwashed out of 2 of the 3.

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      • The ability to cook good food is also a plus that his been brainwashed out as well.

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      • Thats something that is not mentioned much on this site, but it’s so true. At least with my husband, he gets so happy when he comes home to a super clean house, a happy baby, and a good meal. Thank you feminists for lowering the bar so much, that basic wife duties are now regarded as “special.” Makes my job easier.

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      • But at some point you have to make it clear that is your end game. One of the biggest problems in relationships is the other party assuming the are on the same page, when in fact they are not.

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  32. on August 26, 2013 at 12:38 am gunslingergregi

    learn to be in tune with everything a man wants
    ever nuance must be remembered and acted on
    catalog every detail of every day and remember what was good and bad
    keep trying new things
    listen intently to what he says
    take him on some adventures

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  33. on August 26, 2013 at 12:41 am gunslingergregi

    hanging with chick from before said she had crush on me the past blond chick that kissed my ass like a madwoman
    but yea dude blowing her phone up
    I guess she had never disappeared on him before that
    but why bitches usin me to frighten their dudes and shit
    keeping bitches dudes in line since 2011

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  34. on August 26, 2013 at 12:47 am gunslingergregi

    for real though it seems the pretty girls dilemma is they get the alpha of their dreams he cheats on her and it ruins her fucking life
    bout it really

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    • on August 26, 2013 at 12:52 am gunslingergregi

      kind of makes me feel bad for cheating on the prettiest bitch I ever seen at 16 but really I didn’t say I wouldn’t do shit with other chicks
      prob changed the course of her life who knows
      lifes a bitch what can ya do

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  35. Must be a tough age for women. Even though I have no Facebook page, I was considering getting one some years back when I was 27. I went to a friend’s page and he was “friends” with all the hot girls we went to high school with. I used to masturbate myself silly to the thought of these girls, and now there wasn’t an 8 among them. Sad. I think it’s the skin. Having good features is all good and well but once that youthful glow is gone from the skin, the fat lady has sung. This is why facelifts are fucking useless.

    1 of the problems this girl has is that men can still get younger girls if they are willing to shack up with a single mum. If the kid no longer shits its pants, is an only child, and has a mum that doesn’t expect you to sing it lullabies at bedtime, it is a viable option for many men.

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  36. on August 26, 2013 at 5:45 am Vegan Taxidermist

    The larger dilemma for this young lady is that any man becomes a beta upon marrying her, unless he cheats on her constantly (as her two flames now doubt did/do).

    Past age 18 and not a virgin is past one’s prime. Before pestering me about high standards, I was engaged to such a family-minded creature once.

    Ended it because I knew myself and “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”… and I was seeing an old flame on the side.

    The virgin hasn’t dated seriously since; waited 2 years for me to come back. I wish her looks hadn’t faded enough in 10 years that I were still interested—or that I hadn’t grown so accustomed to young, attractive women in my 20s and 30s,

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  37. Went to the Irvine Spectrum yesterday and saw all kinds of couples. You see it all nowadays. Both good looking, or better looking guy with lesser girl or lesser guy with better looking girl. It doesn’t phase me anymore. The averages are still pretty equally matched.

    I know what this girl talks about very well. Some girl I know basically got dumped by a dude and she still pines for him. She misses the “intensity” he made her feel. She has trouble feeling it with someone else. I hear this all the time from women mostly but sometimes from men. I actually felt that too when I broke up with an ex that was crazy but super passionate.

    In the end its about choices and we all have to make a decision. It is a difficult decision nowadays as there is so much choice out there, as both dick and pussy is basically free free free for nearly everyone. Just as dudes drop their girls for someone better, so do women as they also keep looking for the Next Best Thing.

    For those that want a family you need to be selective as all hell, for both men and women. For those looking to carousel times have never been better.

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  38. But then what was she doing from 20-26? Your advice is very good, although I would be wary of older alphas. You can’t turn a ho into a housewife, and you can’t turn a cad into a dad. Men who are very attractive and commitment oriented exist, but the problem is that they get snatched up fast.

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    • you would be surprised.

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    • What’s really notable, and never remarked upon here, is how rare the “cad” really is — other than a *tiny* minority of young men who relaxedly run through women in their college/frat/athletic years, there’s hardly a “cad” left standing after 35. These days men are portentously and laughably advising continuous memento mori from the day they turn 30; clearly, these are not men cut out for the life of Casanova.–

      The diehard lecher, the gleeful seducer and exploiter of women so lamented by the moralizer, so galvanizingly dreamed by the candyshop window beta, is an almost mythological creature.

      Maybe it is the testosterone, after all. 😉

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      • there’s hardly a “cad” left standing after 35.

        That’s because all but the mentally deficient, obsessive compulsive, and psychotic will keep doing the same monotonous thing over and over for decades despite diminishing results.

        At least addictions to substances have the mercy to eventually kill a guy.

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  39. so whose pic did [email protected] use this time?

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    • Quit giving her attention. Attention whores love nothing more than people talking about them when they’re not around.

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  40. “I suggested she should wait to have sex before she succumbs.”

    The opposite can be just as good, and quicker with a greater beta or sigma. Have sex with him after a date or two, exclaiming how much she admires him. If she listens to him, makes him meals, takes care of him, etc.; he will fall in love with her and begin to get comfortable with her around, and not want to lose her. From there it is a short hop to relationship and marriage – sewing it up so he doesn’t lose her.

    But she has to actually follow through in the marriage or it will hit the rocks. In general a man wants a woman who is pretty, pleasant, ready and willing, and takes care of him and makes him feel like a king.

    Two songs come to mind – The Wonder of You, and For the Love of Him.

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  41. She is 26. Her last two boyfriends were around 33, alphas by her definition.

    I think either she has sensed the wall ahead or she is coming to understand the nature of the SMP.

    Howrver I am interested (and I guess I am not the only one) to know about what she did since let’s say 17 years old on.
    Dated alphas (who dumped her) and never got burnt until 10 years later?

    Or was she dumping every beta (short term relationship/casually dating I guess) to the point she has already forgotten them and “just dated alphas”? Also notch count?!

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  42. Excellent, classic post, Swami. I was encouraged by CH’s handling of the Mintner affair (amusement and flattery) but others like Roosh were not. In fact they were shrill in their denunciation (beware shrillness – it always betrays something). Mintner obviously, and understandably succumbed, as some of us are prone to do and I think CH describes the reasons perfectly:

    “Yes, dating older men is a solution. An older alpha male begins to feel two pressing awarenesses: his posterity, and his mortality. In this psychological stew, the love of a younger, loyal woman beckoning him to surrender his bachelor freedoms is a temptation hard to resist.”

    Really turned me off on Roosh and lowered his status as a thinker in my eyes not to have grasped the human dimension of the matter. It pushed him to the realm of what I call the Manospheric Taliban.

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    • I don’t think you realize the damage that objectification does to an Alpha/Sigma. Probably because you aren’t one. Relating is important.

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  43. Legal marriage is out of the question under any circumstances. Thank all of your sisters for that.

    As for something resembling marriage without the legal entry into marriage, I have the same advice for this woman that I give to all other women:

    “Simply invent a time machine. Then go back in time and undo all of your bad choices. Replace them with good choices. Then enjoy the results of your good choices.”

    Otherwise its just TOO LATE and fuck you . You want equality? Then suffer the consequences of your bad choices and take it “like a man”.

    Teach your nieces and other young girls not to be sluts like yourself.

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  44. This girl has a ton of options. Much of it depends on where she is at as far as emotional maturity is concerned. Just as a man’s taste in women changes as he matures, so should a woman. A 26 year old woman fawning over the obnoxious socially-dominant extrovert (who happens to be less than successful in his career, stuck in a college guy mindset) is like a 40 year old man going after a 20 year old showing off lots of skin at the club. While the attraction in both cases is understandable, both are pretty foolish candidates for investing one’s time and resources in. So I would want to know what kind of alpha this gal is interested in. Are we talking a successful man who commands the attention/respect of others, or the fun, hot clubster guy who takes her mentally back to her days at the sorority?

    If she’s after the latter, then she’s a moron. End of story. Hunky fun clubsters and committed husbands are mutually exclusive categories. But if she’s after the right kind of alpha, Chateau’s advice is right on the money re introverts. She could end up with a more talented and successful man, and not sacrifice much on looks. Plus, part of a beautiful woman’s function in life is to help a man to become more alpha. Its very rare to find a guy in his late 20s who has the confidence to command the attention of other men in their 40s and 50s. A truly valuable woman helps a man grow into his better self.

    I disagree with the advice that she should go much older (into the 40s). An alpha that hasn’t been married by his 40s has likely figured out the pros and cons of marriage, and has made his decision accordingly. Maybe a divorced older guy who was straightforward about wanting marriage/kids. She should probably stay away from the George Clooney types however.

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  45. on August 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm Carlos Danger

    She could do what my wife did- ask me to marry her or let her go. I decided I wanted to keep her instead.

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  46. Are women ever really happy? The minute she marries an alpha or greater beta is when she’ll do her best to beat him into submission to test his “manhood” and then divorces him once she’s accomplished that.

    Women are never happy, they want what they can’t have.

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    • Don’t be too sure of that. If some of the examples from my own life are any sort of a testimony to go by… a strong man with character and belief does a happy long term relationship manage.

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  47. This girl has a ton of options.

    Her only option is to marry a rich, cheat on the side with dreamy alphas who never wanted to marry her, and then strike it rich during her inevitable divorce.

    What options does she really have?

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  48. Why does he have to be an “Alpha male” to the rest of the world, the important thing is that he is an Alpha male in her eyes. And to be able to see him in such a way she has to try to adhere to her feminine role, and be more than just beautiful. “Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting”. If she concentrates on cultivating good feminine traits she will maybe be able to inspire a man and bring out the best in him. She needs to focus on cultivating these qualities, instead of considering how can she can marry the most Alpha man she can find. Embody femininity and you will attract masculinity, not only on the exterior, but also in the heart.

    But I have never understood the attraction of marriage for people who do not believe in God. Marriage is a sacred covenant. And when we women are able to be real with ourselves, we will understand that marriage is something that will need to be worked at, marriage is something that requires so much prayer, because when romance is lacking, we have to continue to love, with a Christ-like love, not with a love of this world. The real disaster is when 2 people who do not realize this marry, and then “fall out of love”, and then there’s also sorts of horrible consequences like children getting hurt, men losing all their money, and people becoming bitter. If you are going to marry just because you feel in love, then why marry? If you don’t understand how sacred marriage is, just be in love together outside of marriage, to avoid the pain and expense of divorce. We are ready for marriage when we are ready to love regardless of hardship. The problem with the question the woman poses is that it seems to display an attitude of “What can I get?” with her desperation for finding the most Alpha of men, instead of “What is it I have to give?”.

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    • And even if she manages to marry a man she considers to be an “Alpha male”, with the line of thinking she seems to currently have, how long will he remain Alpha in her eyes once she has a ring on her finger? What happens when he displays some vulnerability some where down the line? We are all human. What happens if he loses his job? If he gets sick, and she must care for him? It seems we sometimes think of the thrill of the moment, getting an Alpha male in the moment and thinking it will be a bed of roses.. the real question to ask is if you are willing to stay with him and cater to him even when he commits to you and there are times that you no longer see him as Alpha. We have to change our own ways of thinking before we commit to serving one man. Learning to see and reaffirm the Alpha in a man even in circumstances where the shallow ugly part of us want to conclude differently and run for the nearest exit.

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  49. “Rare things fetch more.”

    Very true, and the fact is that women contain nothing “rare” – if leaves were rare things people would hoard them as precious – they aren’t so people don’t Women are the same – to the starving man, he’ll take anything and be happy for it – to the man with choices, why choose one? If you are well fed, you can choose a variety, and you don’t have to order a year’s worth of anything now. Wait and get what you want when you’re hungry, and it’s still fresh…

    Women are the same… Now, I’m 50 – and don’t date women over 25, why? Because as the writer shows – they start getting baby rabies. I don’t need that and only want fun. At some point, I’ll be too old to enjoy the harvest that I do now, when that happens I still won’t marry – it’s too danged costly in this country. But even today, I take trips to various Asian countries and enjoy the women over there. Why? Because I don’t have to put my finances on the line to have several live with me and have kids, if I so desire.

    So to the woman looking – older may get you what you want, but you probably already missed your shot. When I was young and dumb, I probably would have married – today? I’m too smart to take a bite of that poisoned apple… You may be at the top of your game now – at 26, but marriage is for the next 20+ years… Doesn’t matter how nice you look now – there are always prettier, and more coming all the time. Only a idiot limits himself… So you’re looking for that rare idiot who is an alpha… Good luck with that… Might as well be looking for a unicorn… You’ll have about as much luck…

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  50. on August 27, 2013 at 7:54 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Just the fact that this letter needed to be written sets off alarms for me.

    If men of any breed won’t commit long-term to a woman, it’s not necessarily because they “won’t commit,” but because warning bells are going off in the man’s head. A lot of self-proclaimed 8’s and 9’s have histories of Alpha cock-hopping or dating two men at once (to cite examples I’ve dealt with personally). When these women tell their guys this — as they inevitably do — the guys immediate put them in a “fling” slot and never commit.

    This is why a few years down the road you hear them whine “He wouldn’t commit to me, but he’s now married to a FRUMPY woman!!” Well, it’s because she didn’t have stories from her past and/or personal habits that disqualified her for the long term.

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    • Yeaaaaaaah……the more I think about it, the more I’m starting to come around to this line of thinking — I pay attention to what I do and how I feel toward certain people, now. The girls I like more are the ones who seem to have good self-control, and unsurprisingly, they tend to be kind of conservative.

      Ultimately tho, it’s less about the number than it is about ‘what value is it to sleep with this woman? what’s the barrier to entry?’

      So like, if you sleep with a girl within 2-3 dates and she makes a HUGE deal about it. Like ‘omg that was way fast,’ or just takes a sec to feel self-conscious. (Along with, of course, making you use protection, etc.) Then, y’know….that’s a good sign that she has some decent barriers to entry.

      On the other hand, if you get in there hella fast, and she just treats it like business as usual. Welp. It’s business as usual. She’s probably giving it away.

      It’s the diff between LTR and fling, for sure.

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