The Most Beta Comment Ever Left On This Blog

On my post about lying for sex, “notaloser” recently left this comment:

I would NEVER lie to a woman in any way to get sex. NEVER. I respect women and know that lying to them impedes their ability to make good decisions for themselves. Nobody ever has the right to take that autonomy away from anyone under any circumstances … the very idea of lying to a woman to fraudulently get sex is appalingly misogynist. Lying  to a woman to get sex is very emotionally/sexually abusive to women and has lasting effects … ask any women.  Your desperation is hardly an excuse to proceed with what constitutes sexual misconduct. You have a lot of problems, dude, and this lack of awareness is probably why women don’t want to sleep with you in the first place.

Do you hear that? NEVER!

“notaloser” is a classic white knight of the particularly noxious variety — besides the hypocritical nature of his misplaced chivalry (it’s a lie to assert you will NEVER lie to a woman), his pious posturing perches poon on pedestals so prominently that no woman would ever be able to see him as anything other than a bootlicking servile sap. His is the sort of blushing indignation that, if freely and sincerely expressed and acted upon, would absolutely kill his chances with any girl except fat desperate closeted dykes.

Lying to girls for sex is perfectly fine, because it is not the man’s job to simultaneously seduce women and help them make good mating decisions. Women are responsible for screening their prospects; it’s called personal accountability. Only feminist men who believe women are emotionally underdeveloped children think like notaloser and want to protect women from men’s libidos.

In some ways, lying for sex is win-win for men. If it works, he gets sex, and if his lie is eventually discovered, she will be likely to forgive it if she has fallen in love with him. If it fails, and she finds out that, for example, his real job is less prestigious than the job he claimed to have, and she leaves him because of that, then he has successfully screened out a whore who views him primarily as status candy.

I don’t recommend lying on practical grounds, but as a moral matter it’s a dead end. Men and women lie all the time to get the best deal they can on the sexual market. To illustrate the absurdity of believing otherwise, I’ll re-word notaloser’s comment:

I would NEVER lie to a man in any way to get love. NEVER. I respect men and know that lying to them by wearing make-up, getting nose jobs, or playing coy about my age or desire to marry a man who makes more money than me impedes their ability to make good decisions for themselves. Nobody ever has the right to take that autonomy away from anyone under any circumstances … the very idea of lying to a man to fraudulently get love is appalingly misandrist. Lying  to a man to get love is very emotionally/financially abusive to men and has lasting effects … ask any men who wake up next to a disturbing morning face.  Your commitment desperation is hardly an excuse to proceed with what constitutes emotional misconduct.

“notaloser” is probably a woman pretending to be a man who has been hurt by an asshole boyfriend in the past, because no man, no matter how much he claims to believe in the feminist agenda, could possibly write such a beta comment with a straight face. “Fraudulently get sex”? “Sexual misconduct”? A man would have to be psychologically castrated and/or flamingly gay to make such blubberingly pussboy assertions. I suspect it’s a biting beaver sock puppet.

Note: Many of you are wondering why David Alexander did not get recognition for the most beta comment ever left on this blog. This is because DA does not write beta comments; he writes trollish freakboy omega comments. That is a different world of loser altogether.





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  1. on November 4, 2009 at 11:56 am Dr. Grzlickson

    Lying for sex is rape.

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  2. Second!

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  3. Oh ya, people lie all the time.

    Everyone lies about most things.

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  4. It’s not lying, it’s flirting.

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  5. Woman making a man lie for sex is rape.

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  6. Lying to girls for sex is perfectly fine, because it is not the man’s job to simultaneously seduce women and help them make good mating decisions.

    ………but lying is not in the best interests of a man in making his own long-term mating decisions. Lying destroys the possibility of a long- or even medium-term beneficial relationship.

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  7. What gives Notaloser away as a woman: her saying “ask any woman.”

    Only girls say that.

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  8. That’s especially funny in light of sentences like this: “Honey, do these pants make me look fat?”

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  9. Notaloser = Mr. Jessica Valenti?

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  10. Law 32: Play to People’s Fantasies
    The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.

    “Women appreciate honesty” It sounds nice as a truism, but people overwhelmingly prefer fantasy and perception to cold harsh truth. If women held honesty in such high regard they’d never put on blush to make their cheeks flush, never wear high heels to lift them 3 inches, never dye their hair, never get boob jobs, never inject collagen, and the list goes on and on. The truth may set you free, but it doesn’t make it pretty or any less painful.

    The only reason women express any desire for honesty is to protect their own interests, not because they appreciate it as a virtue. They want honesty from a man so they’re not led to believe that the sexy oncologist they meet in the club one night is actually a part time sandwich artist at Subway. They want to know that they’re emotionally investing in a winning bet, not because of some ephemeral, high order need for integrity and virtue.

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  11. That is why you should build your life so you don’t have to lie. Woman tend to be pretty shallow anyway. So really just need a couple shiney objects and ball up hundreds to throw at them.

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  12. Men lie all the time to get that poonta.

    There’s a new trend going around. They tell girls they’re “Firepower” from roissy and them panties drop.

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  13. ”””””The only reason women express any desire for honesty is to protect their own interests, not because they appreciate it as a virtue. They want honesty from a man so they’re not led to believe that the sexy oncologist they meet in the club one night is actually a part time sandwich artist at Subway. They want to know that they’re emotionally investing in a winning bet, not because of some ephemeral, high order need for integrity and virtue.

    ””””””””””

    Yea what I have noticed in my time on the blog. No time to work with a guy just want the finished product. Can’t comprehend helping to create something with a guy. Which I guess makes sense but when a guy gets to the level of making himself already the woman expect him to be monogamous and only have them. When they are not offering anything of equivelant value of what it took the dude to get where he is. Then woman are surprized when a guy makes it to top of heap and expects to do whatever the fuck he wants. Well duh he earned it.

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  14. They want honesty from a man so they’re not led to believe that the sexy oncologist they meet in the club one night is actually a part time sandwich artist at Subway

    that’s pretty funny. a sexy oncologist? oxymoron. they’re a dolorous group.

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  15. Roissy sorry but I think you’re wrong.

    This is not the most beta thing by any means.

    Having integrity and not lying, does not have a strong enough correlation with your definition of what is alpha — namely that hot chicks want to sleep with you. In fact, capability for deception is not very high on your own alpha assessment test.

    Women are all different. But yes if I could have a clear conscience and seduce women under an assumed pseudonym (which by the way would sound WAY SEXY and fun) I would get laid like a rockstar.

    But I will admit that there are scumbags among both men and women. Most women scumbags are passive though (i.e. they lead you on then disappear) whereas men are active scumbags (they pursue and then reveal it was all a lie).

    Women putting on makeup is just sexual selection, an arms race pandering to what men want. And men’s sexual selection and pandering to what women want is on the 12 points I outlined in your About page. Games and manipulation can be done by both sides, and can easily veer into manipulation and deceit. That is DIFFERENT from being well groomed, having a good style, interesting identity, car, your own place, good social circle, etc. Just like push-pull and playing the field is different from makeup, bras and pantyhose.

    Greg

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  16. Lying is fun.

    Try it.

    To girls: caveat emptor.

    – MPM

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  17. David Alexander knows he’s a loser, though. That must count for something.

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  18. I never had to lie because I had deal-breaking secrets or qualities I needed to hide from the girl. But often I’d “lie” by making straight-faced over-the top-claims, for example, to working part time as male exotic dancer.

    My being tall and in-shape made the lie believable enough, but the absurdity of it was enough for her to wonder about me “that way,” not actually believe me.

    A cockblocker friend of hers meowled “so, you probably dance for gay guys.” I replied: “I’m a professional; but it’s mostly bachelorette parties.”

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  19. I tell em to have sex with me me or my girl and crew will fuck up their face he he he

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  20. Roissy is way off base here. Why lie for sex when you could just murder for sex?

    It’s win/win.

    A) She doesn’t find out that you murdered her boyfriend. Great, now move in on her.

    B) She does find out. Does she tell anyone? No, because women have a natural response to anyone who murders their provider male: intense attraction.

    C) Somebody else finds out. Don’t talk to the cops, hire a decent lawyer, and you’ll go to jail for 18 months before being paroled. Now you’ve got a criminal record and a couple prison tattoos. You’ll have to start asking the girls to get in line.

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  21. I’m starting to wonder if the last few years of banter between Roissy and David Alexander is some clever viral marketing scheme to prep us for an “Odd couple” reality tv show involving the 2, sort of a real life version of “Two and a half men.”

    Imagine a show where they wind up as roomates in DC, and we get to enjoy the various hijnks from the interplay of their Alpha and Omega philosophies. Like maybe Roissy loses his job and DA is discovered to be a secretly rich trust fund baby who will subsidize his lifestyle.

    See DA clumsily play wingman to Roissy at the local club. See DA run interference for Roissy with local PC goons, etc. Possibilities are endless.

    If you implement, I want in as a show consultant.

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  22. banter between Roissy and David Alexander is some clever viral marketing scheme to prep us for an “Odd couple” reality tv show involving the 2, sort of a real life version of “Two and a half men.”

    Roissy, you need to tell the writers to ditch your fiancee-character Chelsea. She’s an ageing bitch and your character is starting to act like a beta in deference to her moods and american-female attitude.

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  23. If you have to lie then you are a loser, period. If the girl is quality DO NOT lie. If she is a fling or a one night stand then the two of you are most likely lying to each other anyway. Besides, if you are a true “alpha” then you simply own it and tell it…the truth that is. It is a deal breaker with me if I have found out you have lied. Such a turn off and it makes you look insecure and slimy.

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  24. M. Magarshak is wrong. Because he misquotes ‘notaloser.’

    ‘notaloser’: “I would NEVER lie to a woman in any way to get sex. NEVER. [Because] I respect women….” Parenthetical added.

    M. Magarshak’s version: “Having integrity and not lying….”

    However, ‘notaloser’ specifically attributes the cause to his not lying to women to…. respect for women. Not respect for himself. Not respect for God. Not fear of loss of his soul. Not on a general honesty is the best policy principle, though he alludes to it and surely the argument will be made hereinafter that such a principle is _really_ what he meant. No, he starts with respect for women. Why? Why is that the trigger for higher morality?

    For those who object that I am making too much of his start of “I respect women” let us try a few counter-examples: is it ok to lie to those you don’t respect, e.g. your boss? children? bums? the incompetent? the retarded? Is the principle to be then that it is ok to lie to those inferior to your station and competence? No, serious people don’t make exceptions to the honesty principle because of gender. For instance, one might permissibly conceal the truth from a psychotic patient in certain instances as a sort of charity. The point being, who cares if you respect women? What’s womanhood got to do with it?

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  25. Well I know for a fact that girls never lie. Women are perfect and above any kind of emotional or sexual manipulation to get whatever they want from men. Moreover, women are so kind to all men all of the time!

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  26. ”””””However, ‘notaloser’ specifically attributes the cause to his not lying to women to…. respect for women. Not respect for himself. Not respect for God. Not fear of loss of his soul. Not on a general honesty is the best policy principle, though he alludes to it and surely the argument will be made hereinafter that such a principle is _really_ what he meant. No, he starts with respect for women. Why? Why is that the trigger for higher morality?”””””””’

    You found the egg nice breakdown.

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  27. There are all sorts of good-man-on-feminist-blog comments that take the same tone/attitude, and some have quoted here. I’m not convinced this guy is a troll.

    In fact I would have said similar things when I was a teenage liberal shrew-bitten tool.

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  28. “Lying to a woman to get sex is very emotionally/sexually abusive to women and has lasting effects … ask any women. Your desperation is hardly an excuse to proceed with what constitutes sexual misconduct.”

    This person (whom I believe is very likely a woman) is unequivocally saying that women’s needs are more important than men’s and that a woman’s sex is universally precious and should be coddled and worshipped by all men, to the point of self-sacrifice and self-destruction.

    I once dated a girl who formulated her bitching like this:

    “You make me so _____.”

    She outright stated that I had a personal responsibility for her feelings, as if I had control over them. In her warped psyche, because I was fucking her and she loved me, I should be held accountable for how she felt and I had no choice in this matter.

    This is the inevitable result of the passionate thrall and tsunami of joy that a woman experiences when she is with a man she is very attracted to and sexually satisfied by. Her happiness, being seemingly externally provided by you, is not within her control, thus automatically all of the darker colors of the emotional palette flow from brush as well. That she alone chooses to be the canvas never seems to matter to her — its all your fault, Picasso!

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  29. on November 4, 2009 at 1:01 pm the jilted age

    “I respect men and know that lying to them by wearing make-up, getting nose jobs, or playing coy about my age or desire to marry a man who makes more money than me impedes their ability to make good decisions for themselves.”

    Wearing makeup and getting a nose job is morally reprehensible?

    This statement doesn’t sit well, because I can’t equate lying for sex and wearing makeup as equivalent mechanisms. I suppose both are “cover-ups” — but it’s one thing to deny carrying an STD, and another to deny having naturally red lips. The goal may be the same (bedmate GET), but the effects of these acts (virulent pustules smeared across your crotch vs. red lipstick smeared across your sheets) are quite different.

    I recall Roissy promising female future fruit-o-his-loins plastic surgery to improve their looks. It seems to clash with your disdain (disgust?) in this entry.

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  30. How are you still noticing comments on posts two years ago?

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  31. When women stop their “I’m just looking for a nice, decent guy” lie, then I’ll stop my “I’m a nice, decent guy” lie.

    I love Dauphin’s “Odd Couple” idea, by the way. That show would be a hit, but somehow I’m envisioning Roissy storming off the set a lot. The behind the scenes reality show would probably be even more fun than the show itself.

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  32. David Alexander seems more an obvious troll screwing with people for entertainment. Probably migrated from autoadmit.com

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  33. I think the person who made that comment was being a little short sighted or taking things too literally. Isn’t it only dishonesty if you expect everyone to be totally open about everything? Also some people have a talent for finding the exciting parts of boring things, or focusing on the good rather than bad about something – so was Bill Nye the science guy a liar? Some lies are worse than others, and it’s really up to each person what type of lie is worst for them, and to screen for it. I agree men and women need to ultimately be responsible for their own actions. So a girl who gives it up to a guy she thought she was exclusive with, based only on his words and not actions or concrete evidence that he is exclusive with her, is naïve and should have waited. A guy who gets mad when he finds out that a girl’s natural hair is frizzy and brunette and not straight and blonde is a fool for assuming it was (most girls wear makeup, diet/workout, use acne medication/moisturizer, use hair products, get surgery if needed, respect rich guys, etc – this should be no surprise to any man). If a guy wants a completely natural girl he should figure out ways to only find girls who have not modified their God-given body ever (good luck!).

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  34. In a more cynical mood, I feel like…the kind of girls that would jump into bed with someone that would lie beyond the socially acceptable norm are going to have a life of heartache no matter how you slice it.

    The dudes that take advantage of that are almost like dutiful public servants.

    Maybe the two deserve each other? Maybe she’s screening for the type who would or could pull off such an act?

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  35. If it fails, and she finds out that, for example, his real job is less prestigious than the job he claimed to have, and she leaves him because of that, then he has successfully screened out a whore who views him primarily as status candy.

    She could also legitimately leave him for the simple fact that he lied.

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  36. I sometimes Lie about my age and sometimes not. how do you circumvent it when it comes to dating women in the 19-23 range and you are in your early thirties?

    I heard a reply once when a girl asks you bout your age : ” Well I appreciate the thought, but honey you are too young for me…besides you don’t seem like a good kisser 😉

    how do you deal with the age difference roissy?

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  37. Entrepoon – brilliant 🙂 hadn’t noticed that angle about respect for women triggering morality being weird. very insightful!

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  38. I’m a bit torn on this. The tone yes, is awful and the notion that one would never lie is of course absurd.

    However, I don’t think there is anything wrong with pushing truth telling as a matter of honor. Yes, lying is impracticable. Even beyond that, however, it degrades the man doing it. It saying that your honest self is undeserving of what you seek. Why?

    If you truly do not like who you are then take steps to change it. If you do like who you are then you should exude confidence in that. Surely as a man you have some forte – some strengths that you can honestly play to.

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  39. If “notaloser” isn’t a girl pretending to be a guy, I’ll eat my copy of The Female Eunuch. Fellas, if you can find it within your cold, cold hearts to lie to your own mother (and whosoever among you has not can cast the first stone), then you have all the chutzpah you need to lie to every other woman in the world. Truth is the ultimate fantasy.

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  40. I can’t imagine a lie being particularly useful, really. And I suppose I would draw the line at something like “I don’t have herpes.” Not that I do, of course.

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  41. the jilted age: I recall Roissy promising female future fruit-o-his-loins plastic surgery to improve their looks. It seems to clash with your disdain (disgust?) in this entry.

    Not at all. Roissy believes in equal-opportunity manipulation. His tone is consistantly amoral.

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  42. Greg Magarshak:

    “Most women scumbags are passive though (i.e. they lead you on then disappear) whereas men are active scumbags (they pursue and then reveal it was all a lie).”

    Ha ha ha ha. Wrong. So very wrong, women are just better at it.

    “If the girl is quality DO NOT lie.”

    That’s a good axiom actually, because I have never met a girl of quality. When I do, I will try it out.

    Actually, being obscure, obfuscating, and generally telling the truth but only part of it work just fine, or refusing to answer changing the subject, or even telling the truth in a way that it seems a lie work just fine.

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  43. I know a guy that tears through women by lying to them by saying he loves them, and does the whole “perfect boyfriend” thing, even though he always ends up dumping them 3-4 months down the road, leaving the girls devastated.

    I’m not quite sure how I feel about that kind of lying. Wait, yes I do: it’s pretty damn wormy, slimy and weasly.

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  44. “However, I don’t think there is anything wrong with pushing truth telling as a matter of honor.”

    Our society no longer has honor, a code of honor, nor does it recognize it as valuable in the general society.

    The closest it comes is the military.

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  45. I like to lie with women.

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  46. why do you assume flamingly gay guys would EVER write like that? they probably approve of using all kinds of deceit to score and they’re not the one who put women on a pedestal that’s usually straight dorky guys

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  47. dauphin

    I’m starting to wonder if the last few years of banter between Roissy and David Alexander is some clever viral marketing scheme to prep us for an “Odd couple” reality tv show…

    In the irl dog-eat-dog world of TV writing, your idea has already been stolen. Or optioned. Whatever you prefer.

    It’s tentative, but next Summer’s pilot is either Love That roissy! or just plain roissy

    It’s left uncapitalized of course to give it “edge”

    Hollywood Jew Management, Inc. already dug “the hipness factor” of “blogging” and that built in cast of proven characters like the wacky, militant black dude. He’ll be played by Michael Vick. DC is out. Too partisan and trite. It’ll be set in NYC or LA. Go figure.

    There’s some female Indian Apus, the ditzy asian Brenda Song type with revealing clothes and even a Cheers-type will-they-or-won’t-they sexual banter-tension thing going on with Roosh.

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  48. By the way I agree with everyone that believes in being honest and truthful as a higher value to aspire too. It’s hard enough to understand full reality as it is too. Nice to see guys with “game” who seem to have character too 🙂

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  49. lol sexual misconduct …. in my eyes lying is ok if you never get caught. but what sort of lie could get a women in bed?
    lying about loving her?

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  50. on November 4, 2009 at 1:47 pm Cannon's Canon

    i would lie to god to get into heaven

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  51. I lie as a matter of course to women. You need to, especially if you date girls in London. A smart fitted suit and coat is all you need to back it up – ive had my 8s and 9s from this. Sure – they’re status whores but who gives a shi*.

    Anyone who doesn’t would be at a massive disadvantage because everyone is at it.

    Rolla tomasi is right – those who dispel their little fantasy with hard truths will get more fury than those who talk themselves up all the time. Its Alpha to make the most of what you got.

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  52. How can one be a true seduction master and not lie? Avoiding whoppers is a good idea for many reasons (ie don’t say you’re a hedge fund manager when you flip burgers) , but small-to-medium lies are a necessity. As an alpha who runs a harem, lies are a vital necessity of daily life. But I avoid big ones, because when you’re running 6 or 7 girls at any given time, at least 3 to 4 of whom think they’re in an LTR with you, it can be tough to keep stories straight.

    Evading beats lying – plus it adds to mysterious alpha cred – but sometimes lies are required. Don’t blink. Keep ’em small, and keep ’em consistent.

    Being fundamentally dishonest creatures, women *should* be more attuned to male deception, but if she digs you, she WANTS to believe the obviously mendacious BS you’re telling her. If she’s seriously shit-testing you about your lies, she’s not that into you.

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  53. on November 4, 2009 at 2:03 pm Passing through

    But wouldn’t the height of seductive prowess be of a kind which doesn’t require lying?

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  54. any woman who’s a woman can easily see through a man’s lies

    if you’re basing seduction off passing out disinformation and facts (that are true or false, doesn’t matter) you’re way off base anyway

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  55. on November 4, 2009 at 2:06 pm Passing through

    I would think that one scales the alpha-beta continuum in proportion to how little lying is required for successful conquests.

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  56. nadia

    lol sexual misconduct …. in my eyes lying is ok if you never get caught. but what sort of lie could get a women in bed? lying about loving her?

    your bf draws pictures of you and your like 16. i can think of 2 million right off the bat

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  57. Would you refuse to lie and tell all if you hit someone else’s car, causing damages that would ruin you?

    It’s just not the American way. You bullshit your heart out in everything that matters, and maintain a pretense to honesty in anything that doesn’t.

    Pardon me, maybe that was too honest. I never said it.

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  58. Women don’t lie during the mating game?

    Here is the most common lie that they tell: “If it doesn’t work out, we’ll just have an amicable divorce. Don’t worry, I would never take advantage of you in a divorce. I am not that type of woman.”

    What percentage of divorces actually turn out like the above? 5%? 15%?

    The other 85% are liars.

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  59. Lying is seldom, if ever, required for conquest, if you’re alpha. Some lies are ALWAYS required if you’re running a full-fledged harem — which all alphas should.

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  60. on November 4, 2009 at 2:20 pm Phenomenal One

    Everyone lies

    Only a fool would believe that people draw a line on how big their lies are.

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  61. When Shakespeare wrote “All the world’s a stage”, what he should have penned was “All the world’s a lie”.

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  62. Buahahahahaha!!!

    Officer Chumpsky is in the building.

    Per some the comments on this, there are three things that a guy will usually lie about in trying to get into a woman’s pants. His status, his feelings for her, and whether he has a girlfriend or wife. For purposes of a one night stand, the 1st is fair game, the 2nd is shady, the 3rd is ambiguous since you’re already stepping into a moral gray area by cheating. For purposes of an ongoing relationship, lying is always counter productive to your cause because they will always eventually find out given enough time.

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  63. Oh and to illustrate my point about lying about status being fair game:

    Back in my young punk days (broke student barely able to scrape together enough for cover charge and a beer) a buddy of mine and I used to have a whole slew of routines we’d run on chicks at random clubs. The NFL prospect/agent, the rapper/manager, the camera man/producer (camera equipment needed for this one), always visiting from out of town, always looking to close that night. Think about the type of status whore to whom whether someone is a rapper or a professional athlete matters for purposes of a one night stand, and ask yourself if it’s really that wrong.

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  64. obsidians blog must be in trouble. half his audience is back posting here

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  65. KR,

    You’re not actually running a harem if none of the girls / members actually know about it.

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  66. KR:

    How can one be a true seduction master and not lie?

    That’s funny. Time and time again we here at this blog (and in other fora as well) have been besieged with accusations from women & feminists that Game and the seduction community is about lying to women in order to get laid. And time and time again the Game guys ( even Roissy!) have gone to GREAT LENGTHS to explain that such is not the case; that, in fact, Game is about psychosexual dominance, or presenting your best self, or being attractive to women (how could women take issue with that, right?), or knowing how to flirty playfully, etc.

    But some people are now saying that lying is part of being a seduction master?

    Which is it folks?

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  67. JS — What is “knowing”? Generally, women in your thrall do not ask questions they don’t actually want the answer to. I don’t announce that I have a harem, it’s obvious to anyone with eyes to see. Gals who ask tough questions want to bust your balls — out they go.

    TC — OF COURSE I lie — not about who I am or what I do, or even about my life story; but dissimulation about the harem is a requirement. Guys who tell whoppers to simply get vaginal access are betas.

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  68. To clarify: of the 7 current harem members: 2 are fully aware (ie were informed of status by me, directly), 2 are semi-aware (meaning they know, because they’re not stupid, but won’t ask a direct question), the other 4 are unaware, in a specific way. All of them understand that they get a certain night or two per week, and the occasional weekend, and that’s how it is. An alpha one-two nights/week is preferable to a beta every night. This is Roissy 101 stuff, really.

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  69. on November 4, 2009 at 3:19 pm Willard Libby

    roissy – pious posturing perches poon on pedestals

    Long live lasciviously lying labia loving Lotharios!!

    I win.

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  70. Ok, that’s fine.

    I should add that I personally have no problem whatsoever dating/fucking a girl who is falling in love with me, knowing full well that she is just a fling to me.

    So many girls lie when they say “No, I’m not looking for anything serious either. I just want something casual.” BULLSHIT. Almost all of them are looking for something serious. So I feel no moral qualms whatsoever about dating a girl for months, KNOWING she is falling for me, and then bailing when she gives me an ultimatum.

    I just don’t lie to her and encourage her delusion. Liek Roissy said:

    “it is not the man’s job to simultaneously seduce women and help them make good mating decisions. Women are responsible for screening their prospects; it’s called personal accountability.”

    Word.

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  71. from a stylistic standpoint, i’m trying to figure out if lying belongs in Game’s toolbox. Is lying another strategy, besides Game, to get women, or am I parsing it too thinly? Personally, I think Game qua Game is much stronger if it is based entirely on truth. Lying to get with women has always felt wrong to me; I don’t that if I did it, I would be more successful, but I never wanted to betray who I really am.

    It’s never been about the feelings or well-being of the woman, though. Lying is a strategy that humans have developed in order to pass on their reproductive materials. Women’s bodies are natural liars. Their concealed ovulation and protuberant titties are a testament to that. Their bodies are manufactured to trick men.

    So the interaction between men and women boils down to liars trying to win over liars. Of course, we’ve developed other mechanisms to smoke those liars out. My beef with advocating male lying is that, to be fair, we’d have to advocate the female lying equivalent: cuckolding.

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  72. on November 4, 2009 at 3:24 pm Willard Libby

    Chuck

    My beef with advocating male lying is that, to be fair, we’d have to advocate the female lying equivalent: cuckolding.

    Wanting “to be fair” = beta.

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  73. The way I see it:

    Learning Game is about learning and perfecting the RULES of the GAME, i.e., becoming a master.

    Lying is about tilting the pinball machine, throwing the rulebook out, i.e., becoming a cheater at the Game.

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  74. Putting on a mask (a lie) to trick people into sleeping with you is inherently amoral in my opinion.

    Doesn’t matter whether the liar is female or male.

    Lies which are attempts to mask what or who you are fundamentally are unacceptable – Similarly lies which mask your intentions are also amoral.

    Every girl I’d ever slept with knew my intentions/implications of what was happening full well prior to the fucking – I would consider lying about my intentions revolting. I find it revolting when a girl lies to me about just wanting a fuck and it turns out she wants something longer.

    There are acceptable lies, just not when those lies are to hide who you are and what you want (Beta’s lie about who they are and what they want… Alpha’s are comfortable about who they are and what they want. Alpha’s don’t need crutches and masks to create and maintain attraction)

    Personally – I’ve only ever had a small harem – no I didn’t explicity tell every girl I was fucking about the other girl (or two) that I was also seeing. I also made it clear that what we were doing was what were we doing and nothing more. I expected those girls to be honest about wanting more (and dumped them quickly/harshely when it turned out they were lying about not wanting more)

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  75. Libby:

    Wanting “to be fair” = beta.

    Wanting to be fair = civilization

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  76. I think when a person says “I respect women” he means that he doesn’t have disrespect for women. He is not a misogynist.

    Whereas for example you may not have respect for a homeless bum because of his situation and your prejudices about his life choices. You may lie to the homeless bum and still not lie to women. It’s whatever your personal convictions are.

    But yeah if you don’t respect YOURSELF then you are much much less likely to be an alpha.

    Otherwise I don’t see the inherent betatude in respecting women. Respect does constrain you. If you did as Roissy’s whimsy dictates, you would basically lie and conceal a lot, pump her and dump her. Roissy advocates hitting women, “serial killer game” with all its nuances (like having a prison record) and then pulls a caveat emptor for women? How is a woman supposed to know you’re a psycho woman abuser if you lie about it? I think that may be one style of alpha game … namely the trailer trash prevaricator game. Add that one to the list 😛

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  77. on November 4, 2009 at 3:49 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    “Notaloser = Mr. Jessica Valenti?”

    i lol’d

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  78. Woman’s lie to an Omega:

    “You’ll find someone that will love you for you”

    Woman’s lie to a Beta:

    “I love you”

    Woman’s lie to an Alpha:

    “I’m not crazy”

    Unrelated, but funny:

    http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_92_the-sex-ed-lessons-you-wish-theyd-taught-you/

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  79. Willard:

    “Wanting “to be fair” = beta.”

    define it however you want. men have no grounds on which to complain about being cuckolded, cheated on, or getting taken to the cleaners in divorce court if that’s the case. its might makes right.

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  80. pious posturing perches poon on pedestals so prominently

    peter piper picked a pair of pickled peppers.

    alliteration can be fun. roissy doesn’t use it so much usually though.

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  81. Greg Magarshak,
    I would have more respect for ‘notaloser’ if he said something like: I avoid lying for several reasons, including, in this context with women, because basic human dignity demands that I treat them with the same respect, at least at the start, as anyone else. That said, I could acknowledge some exceptions vis a vis dealing with women, e.g., no babe, you don’t look fat in that dress, you look like a ho.

    In contrast, because of his tone of supplication, notaloser’s comment comes off less as a rational argument for some sort of co-equal dignity for women, and more as…. I would never lie to women because they are superior beings…. I would never lie to women because they are mommy…. I would never lie to women because I am scared of mommy…. she could take my toys away…. waaaaaaaa….

    Let’s Godwin’s Rule this shit. If it was WWII and his life depended on it, would ‘notaloser’ deceive the Waffen SS? What if the SS Kapitan was a woman… in leather… with her big luscious breasts spilling out of her tight leather vest… and high heels… but sort of weak and needy despite her authoritative position… like she wants to escape… you are handcuffed, but, in your back pocket, yes, you can reach it! Your Alamo Project buttplugg!

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  82. I don’t lie to women. But this is completely selfish on my part, not something I do for them. In fact it is often cruel ony part.

    Part of my reason for not lying is that for me personally it makes me a lot more alpha. It means I’m less likely to search for the correct thing to say, the thing that will make her feel better, etc. I say what’s true to me. This allows me to simply value my reality that much more.

    Another reason I don’t lie is when I’m connecting with a woman, I actually want to feel emotionally connected to her. I love sex but the best part of all this is actually the emotions that go along with it.

    Anyone could pick apart my “I don’t lie” position and say you use indirect openers, framing, etc, you lie just just like everyone else. To them I say I don’t give a crap. I’m honest when truly connecting and I am completely selfish in my honesty. I don’t do it for anyone but me.

    One great example is the guy above who said he’s in his early 30s and needs to lie about his age to date younger woman. I am in my late 30s and regularly date women who are 20, 21, etc. Not lying about my age means my game is a lot tighter. I qualify the hell out of younger women so that they wonder if they have enough life experience to date me. How it should be. Not me being embarrassed of my age and hiding who I truly am.

    Eric

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  83. Well I agree, anyone who says “I won’t lie to women because they are superior beings” or anything that implies that, is stupid. And has to drop that attitude.

    There’s an idea that men should “take care” of women because they are “weaker” and that a man keeps his word, whereas it’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind … which I actually kind of resent and see as outdated in today’s society, because it basically is a strong handicap for men that many women abuse. If a man acted completely like a woman, women would be pretty powerless against them. Consider gay guys 🙂

    In fact I would advocate for men to act 80% of the time like a woman, by which I mean just dropping all the things “expected” of a guy, and actually saying things like “I think this may be moving too fast”, etc. and 20% of the time act like a man and make moves.

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  84. If it works, he gets sex, and if his lie is eventually discovered, she will be likely to forgive it if she has fallen in love with him.

    Reasons like this are why I stopped having sex outside of marriage. If you start having sex with someone and then later find out that he’s a liar you are far more likely to look past his lying/cheating/trifling tendencies because you’re emotionally attached. I’ve personally done this and watched/seen/heard about other women doing it to–the putting up all types of bs that you know dang well you wouldn’t be putting up with if you weren’t swapping bodily fluids with this person.

    If it fails, and she finds out that, for example, his real job is less prestigious than the job he claimed to have, and she leaves him because of that, then he has successfully screened out a whore who views him primarily as status candy.

    I just love the sight of a pot calling a kettle black as an insult. If this scenario occurs then she has successfully screened out a wimp and a liar–both decidedly unAlpha characteristics.

    And really, why would a true-to-the-bone Alpha ever need to lie to have sex?

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  85. on November 4, 2009 at 4:38 pm Dave from Hawaii

    notaloser’s entire premise is based on the caricature of “game” as “lying” to get laid.

    A guy lying to get laid can certainly be one aspect of game…but it does not by any means the sole defining aspect.

    And, as many commenters have already noted, the best game is one based on honesty.

    One other point about dishonesty – when it comes to a LTR, the dishonest guy will find it a much quicker path to Beta-ization if he gets used to lying to his woman all the time.

    When you start lying to avoid upsetting her, you are starting down that road of killing attraction and building Beta contempt.

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  86. The doofus may have a point about outright lying to women – but presents it is the most Beta way possible.

    A real Alpha should not have to outright lie (I don’t count playful banter, teasing, sarcasm, and the like as “outright lying” even if there is a measure of untruth to a given statement). But the whole feminized male banter thing he spews in “defense” of his position is pathetic.

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  87. Dave from HI:

    “When you start lying to avoid upsetting her, you are starting down that road of killing attraction and building Beta contempt.”

    Damn. Great sentence.

    Lying is for Cads, truth-telling is for Dads. Two different strategies at play here. Lying depends upon which strategy you’re after. If you’re at a bar trying to get a quick lay, lie. She’s lying by hoisting her tits up to her chin. If you spot a woman of high value, don’t lie if you want to maintain a relationship. Dave’s point is spot on wrt LTR.

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  88. Talleyrand:
    “that’s a good axion actually because I have never met a girl of quality..”

    bitter much?

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  89. “yes, i think i can play the field forever.”

    encapsulated alpha.

    i thought it before you wrote it, though. heh.

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  90. A good salesman is a good liar. He knows what to say to close the deal. It doesn’t matter what tomorrow will bring, as long as he closes that deal now. Not later, NOW. Let the green eyeshades worry about the real numbers.

    Show me a bad liar, and I’ll show you a middle-aged virgin.

    Lies are just lubricant that let you slide your cock into your target’s asshole with minimal effort. It’s the little bit of shaming that makes you go over the top and become machine-gun fodder. It’s the final dash of spice that makes the soup.

    The truth is ugly, but lies are pretty.

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  91. Roissy, you are an idiot! this guy is just echoing how most of us who read your piss sorry psychiatric rants feel. why would you lie to women in order to get sex with them? In amsterdam, you can pretty much just save up some money go the the RLD, and bang as much as your heart desires. You’ll end up much more sexually experienced than your average dc dwelling blogger, who has to go out to bars, engage in drunken conversation with sluts, pay for her drink, pay for a cab, clean her puke from the car, then go back to your apartment and have meaningless drunken, sloppy sex. Then get up the next morning and write about the experience on the internet. Don’t you wish the dutch ran the world? instead of having some folks who stole your free market economic model?

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  92. A woman’s lie to a Beta:

    “The baby is yours”

    A woman’s lie to an Alpha:

    “I’m 29”

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  93. A woman’s lie to a Beta:

    “I want to marry you”

    A woman’s lie to an Alpha:

    “It’s ok if we don’t get married”

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  94. For most guys, “selling themselves” is easy when they point out their good points and avoid focus on flaws. This is not lying, it is emphasizing something they believe in. This works especially if a guy is open, not good at concealing, and his belief in what he is selling is obvious.

    The best salesmen are not slick uber-pressure guys, but earnest, “honest” folks who actually believe in what they are touting. AKA “I’m not just a salesman, I’m a client.”

    Lying about attributes you possess is counter-productive, most women (and men) are keenly attuned to filtering out lies because it is a vital component for reproductive success (i.e. natural selection). Women will ignore lies if the other attributes of the guy are good, i.e. enough social dominance and thrills of violence.

    Take for example Scott Peterson. His bimbo (the blonde hottie he was screwing) new well he was married (that was the point), that he was capable of violence (it made her aroused), and that he was not a an international salesman (he was dangerous and bad, that was all that mattered). Amber Frye knew all that (unlikely that she knew he’d kill his pregnant wife though) and did not care about his lies — that he was bad and dangerous was all that mattered. Heck Laci Peterson married this guy knowing he was bad and dangerous (just overestimated how well she would control him). That was in fact the whole point.

    Probably the best “lie” with women would be to subtly suggest (and overtly deny) a history of violence and danger. A contrast of implied violence and dominance (confronting danger and beating up other men) with a calm and cheery exterior and overt denials of anything “ilke that” tends to push women’s buttons like crazy for the “he’s violent/bad and I can control him” stuff. I had a friend in college who did that, he cleaned up like crazy. Despite being from the mean streets of Irvine where the most dangerous thrills were a choice of milk vs. skim milk.

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  95. Where does “fake it till you make it” fit into things in regard to lying/not lying? Isn’t a large component of game, at least in the beginning, trying to make it seem that you’re higher status than you actually are? E.g. mimicking high status body language in order to make people that have high status.

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  96. Nothing really to comment here, but I like how this blog has developed so many ancillary characters. DA, Peter, G Manifesto, and special guest villains Feministx and Chic Noir to name a few…

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  97. on November 4, 2009 at 5:53 pm Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman

    Absolutely right, one should never lie to a woman.

    I was once asked, just as I was about to let her have it “will you respect me in the morning?” I thought to myself “WTF?” and said the only thing I could say: “hell, I don’t respect you now.” And yes, I completed the act.

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  98. To the dutchman: Legal prostitution would make a lot of these conversations seem silly. But, unfortunately, the women in the USA keep prostitution illegal. One of the MANY ways men in this country get screwed by women. If men understood, they would have a very different attitude towards women.

    For example, the US pension system(s) is just a huge money transfer from men to women. Same for healthcare. Marriage just ices the cake of servitude for men.

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  99. on November 4, 2009 at 6:07 pm Seen it all before

    Nota Loser said:
    “You have a lot of problems, dude, and this lack of awareness is probably why women don’t want to sleep with you in the first place.”

    This is just the “can’t get laid” comment that feminists and their symps always leave on MRAs forums. Obviously Mr Loser doesn’t balk at direct “can’t get laid” at a PUA, on said PUA’s blog. You’d think his common sense would kick in and tell him how foolish that sounds.

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  100. Zunder doesn’t need to lie; sheep never say no.

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  101. mean streets of Irvine

    lol

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  102. A transvestite’s lie to an alpha: “I’m a woman”

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  103. whiskey: Um, most women don’t actually like serial killers.

    I know that Ted Bundy and so on get female groupies. But that’s because they’re rare. There were about five hundred true serial killers this century in America. Even assuming that each one had a thousand groupies– it was more like a couple dozen for Ted Bundy, and he was good-looking, unlike most– and there was no overlap, that means that five hundred thousand women like serial killers.

    Or about .167% of the population.

    That’s a percentage roughly equivalent to the number of fattyfuckers.

    So unless you want me to be going off about all men’s secret desire for the lardass warpigs and that’s why my skinny self can’t get a boyfriend, cut the crap about the serial killers.

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  104. anoukange:

    “bitter much?”

    It would only be bitter, if it wasn’t true, otherwise it is merely an observation on reality and the true nature of women.

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  105. on November 4, 2009 at 7:48 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Ozymandias:

    Even assuming that each one had a thousand groupies– it was more like a couple dozen for Ted Bundy, and he was good-looking, unlike most– and there was no overlap, that means that five hundred thousand women like serial killers.

    False comparison.

    “Groupies” are willing to SEEK OUT and PURSUE the man, at great inconvenience, expense, and possible danger to themselves. You can’t compare Bundy’s “groupies” to people who “like” certain guys.

    Here’s a valid comparison:
    Bundy had a couple dozen groupies. Groupies. Pursuers.
    Most decent guys, even good looking and successful (in fameless professions) guys, have zero groupies.
    Who wins?

    The downside, of course, is that females who actively pursue men, rather than just tossing out IOI’s, are pretty much all fucked in the head.

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  106. And for a little dose or reality on the sneakiness of females (in this case, geese:

    “It soon turned out that this does not sit well with reality. Geese, domesticated or not engage, happily in “extra-pair copulations”. It is just that the females are rather sneaky. in fact, they are so sneaky that even the guy who lived with them 24/7 failed to see what was really going on.”

    From this:

    http://alpha-status.blogspot.com/2009/11/b-o-its-as-simple-as-1-23.html

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  107. How many women are honest about their number of sexual partners or their sexual history? In most cases they will undercount or seriously downplay their sexual experience. Letting a guy think his little angel is a sexual novice, when in fact she is a whore is probably the worst lie a girl can tell. And yet, they do it. All the time.

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  108. on November 4, 2009 at 8:04 pm Michael wears a hat

    What a pussy.

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  109. Socities need beautiful women to protect and idealise just as they need beautiful men to adore and champion.

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  110. “In amsterdam, you can pretty much just save up some money go the the RLD, and bang as much as your heart desires. ”

    In the immortal words of Deep Purple, “it’s not the kill, it’s the thrill of the chase.” OK, maybe the kill is pretty good too. But without the chase you are nothing.

    Whores are for omegas.

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  111. And regarding lying about your age to get laid. Why has N American society got to a point where a guy in his 30s or 40s is made to feel like a pedophile or a pervert for wanting to date and mate with fully grown, sexually mature young women in their late teens and early 20s? This is a bias that has been perpetuated by feminists, family value activists and beta older men. There is no rationale behind it. Of course we know why the shrivelled up old hags don’t want older men dating 20 year olds. The betas and the fucked up conservatives and family values hypocrites can’t stand it because if they can’t fuck hot young 20 year olds then nobody should be able to.

    If you can’t fight the system, I say, give it the finger and lie about your age if that is what you think it is going to take for you to get some grade a 20 year old pussy. Every man, regardless of his age has a right to tight, young pussy.

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  112. Whores are ultimatly what?

    Oh yea honest.

    interesting.

    I’ll never forget the 19 year old dude in germany who got with a whore who had over a hundred g’s saved and went back and opened his mechanic shop lol

    Plus he was having the best sex of his life.

    So yea talk about something to offer he he he

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  113. At the time I thought whores where bad and I was above them because isn’t that what your supposed to think he he he

    I mean quality girls bring sooooo much to the table right.

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  114. Talleyrand:
    I will meet you. Anytime, anywhere…and you shall meet a quality woman. Not sure if I’m your physical type but there’s only one way to find out.
    oh, and don’t lie to me, I hate liars. 😉

    Adrian: if the girl is of average looks, or is a feminist or it leaks out that she is attention starved or insecure, then yes, she is probably lying about her number. Find a girl coming out of a long term and most likely her number is low. Quality girls tend to value themselves so they don’t do the stray dick. Granted, some over-value themselves but you can set them straight with a firm smack to that ass.

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  115. Chris Rock nailed it:

    Masters of the lie, the visual lie.

    Look at you.

    You got on heels, you ain’t that tall.

    You got on makeup, your face don’t look like that.

    You got a weave, your hair ain’t that long.

    You got a Wonderbra on, your titties ain’t that big.

    Everything about you is a lie, and you expect me to tell the truth?

    Women’s status is based primarily on physical attributes, so they do anything they can to improve them right down to deception.

    Since men’s status is based on personality, power and wealth it is only fair that we can use game to tune our personalities and deceive about how powerful and wealthy we are.

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  116. ”””’oh, and don’t lie to me, I hate liars. ”””’

    How can you be a quality woman if you have hate in your heart.

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  117. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

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  118. JB quoted this from someone else “In amsterdam, you can pretty much just save up some money go the the RLD, and bang as much as your heart desires. ”

    This isn’t exactly true. When I visited the RLD one of the things that struck me as odd was how discriminating the prostitutes were. I saw a few of them shoo away average and older looking men. Funny enough the prostitutes weren’t very good-looking either. As a matter of fact, of all that I saw, only a handful were above 7.5.

    most had a hardened look that comes from living the fast life, some very weird plastic surgery* and bad makeup. A few had nasty rashes or ingrowns around their lady bits.

    *shudders*

    Most were not Dutch blond either. A good number were foreign born. I saw some Hispanic women who were almost hidden and boy were those chicks hard looking.

    and Blk African women,probably central behind a chruch women looked nothing like African-Americans.They were built differently too.

    there were a handful of tranny or per op transexuals as well to be “had”.

    A few of the prostitute were very bold and would call out to very handsome men, guys who were close to epoxy’s + range of handsomeness.

    Just a word to the wise, the RLD ain’t where it’s at if you’re looking for 8-10’s. I can imagine that for some men they may have difficulty getting it going since there is only a thin of glass and a red curtain to protect you the noise and folks walking past trying to get a peak.

    *PA, you would throw up if you saw what this one woman’s implants looked like. They were huge and sat on her chest like torpedoes; she didn’t weight more than 90lbs.

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  119. I respect men and know that lying to them by wearing make-up, getting nose jobs, or playing coy about my age or desire to marry a man who makes more money than me impedes their ability to make good decisions for themselves.

    Is the nose job really a lie? It’s not like a push-up bra. It’s permanent. If the circumstances warrant it, that’s a real improvement.

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  120. on November 4, 2009 at 8:47 pm Willard Libby

    Tupac Chopra

    Libby:

    Wanting “to be fair” = beta.

    Wanting to be fair = civilization

    True. Look I’m not hating the betas and loving the alphas, that’s roissy’s game.

    Beta males built modern civilization.

    But let’s be clear, wanting to be fair and honest with women is beta. That doesn’t make it inherently bad despite the fact that beta on here is a term of abuse.

    Betas are what they are, we need them. The herbs on the other hand need to be sterilized because unlike the omegas the herbs are actually known to reproduce thus continuing the survival of their species.

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  121. In Response to JB :

    Escorts are a means to an end — nothing more, nothing less. They have been employed by discreet Alphas (The brothels of Thailand, the Philippines, the Carribean and South America are common lore and experience amongst American Special Operations personnel.) and desperate Omegas (The “Bunny Ranch” specials on HBO.)

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  122. on November 4, 2009 at 8:51 pm unlearning genius

    @Roissy,

    I totally agree with you on this one. Notaloser is infact a guy, i think i know precisely the pyschological makeup of these kind of guys … white knight extraordinaire as they are …

    This is how “unsuccessful with women” kind of men rationalize their failure .. they think the guy who is good is a lying scheming horrible person .. and so what if he is succeeding now .. eventually their righteousness is going to surface and the woman will see them for the uncut diamonds they really are … I feel sorry for these guys, but in the zero sum game that is dating, some are bound to be losers and they have to deal with it somehow i guess.

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  123. Jkc special guest villains Feministx and Chic Noir to name a few…

    How and when did chic noir become a guest villain?

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  124. Gunslingergregi:
    ha, ha…
    let me rephrase:
    I do not repsect those who lie.

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  125. Then you don’t respect yourself.
    Show me someone whom hasn’t lied and I will show you GOD.

    By the way – you overdid the pouting. Oh yes – I had a look.

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  126. Epoxy:

    You’re missing my entire point. The reason that serial killers have groupies is that there are about five hundred of them in the entire United States. Even though serial killers are an extreme minority taste, there are more serial killer fans than there are serial killers, simply because serial killers are so. fucking. RARE. Therefore, serial killers have groupies.

    If there were only five hundred decent guys in the entirety of the United States, assuming enough news coverage so girls knew which five hundred guys are decent, those five hundred guys would find themselves drowning in pussy from the certain percentage (no doubt much larger) that are uncontrollably attracted to decent guys.

    Since there is far from a shortage of decent guys, women who are uncontrollably attracted to decent guys go after ones who have something else to offer (good conversationalist, common interests, Game) and the ones who just have nice personalities can, well, end up with the girls who have nice personalities.

    It all comes down to supply and demand.

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  127. I guess it really depends what you are lying about. Everyone lies about something and anyone who claims he doesn’t lie is either Jesus Christ or is full of shit.

    However, if a guy lies about his job or how much money he has or something like that, I do this he’s kind of a dick for doing so. On the other hand, women who falls for lies like that are really stupid and foolish in the first place, so maybe they are learning an important life lesson.

    Some of the people here do post important observations about women. For example, when a woman pushes for sex on a first date and then claims “I’ve never done this before” or something like that, that’s a pretty obvious lie. There’s also a lot of sluts out there so we men have to keep our own eyes open to not fall for the lies of conniving whores.

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  128. @ozymandias- that’s retarded. Makes no sense at all. Look on our logic, ye female, and despair.

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  129. Men expect truth telling to be a 2-way street.

    Women know truth telling is a 1-way street.

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  130. There are several aspects of lying. And I agree with all of them. The way men get treated by women lying is but a speck on the bad meter. I think the best option is if she doesn’t need to know anything then you don’t tell her. I’m not going to exaggerate anything, but if somebody asks me a question straight on I say I don’t know, or I will find out, it’s a clue to fuck off. It even works if someone asks for your birthday, after 2-3 minutes of still not getting the month and the day they will realize that they need to fuck off. I can say whatever I want, how you hear it is your problem.

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  131. on November 4, 2009 at 11:12 pm ironrailsironweights

    Taste treat of the day.

    Peter

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  132. @slagmaster

    why do you assume flamingly gay guys would EVER write like that? they probably approve of using all kinds of deceit to score and they’re not the one who put women on a pedestal that’s usually straight dorky guys

    As a straight male who understands straight chicks, lesbos and queers, just wanted to give you an AMEN. You’re right on point with this one.

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  133. Btw, there are no rules in the sexual marketplace. Other than those for age of consent and rape, there are no laws that regulate the exchange of sexual favours.

    In this scenario, a man, or even a woman who does not lie will be at a disadvantage. Other players in the market routinely lie and cheat and do what ever it takes to deposit their sperm in a fertile female, or in the case of women to be a recipient of high status sperm. Isn’t that the ultimate goal? As long as it is done within the laws of the society in which we live, lying is a legitimate tactic.

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  134. @ozymandias- that’s retarded. Makes no sense at all. Look on our logic, ye female, and despair.

    lol

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  135. ”””’anoukange
    Gunslingergregi:
    ha, ha…
    let me rephrase:
    I do not repsect those who lie.
    ””””””

    Much better.

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  136. except for the repsect where you nervous he he he

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  137. Ozymandias

    @Epoxy: You’re missing my entire point. The reason that serial killers have groupies is that there are about five hundred of them in the entire United States. Even though serial killers are an extreme minority taste, there are more serial killer fans than there are serial killers, simply because serial killers are so. fucking. RARE. Therefore, serial killers have groupies.

    If there were only five hundred decent guys in the entirety of the United States, assuming enough news coverage so girls knew which five hundred guys are decent, those five hundred guys would find themselves drowning in pussy from the certain percentage (no doubt much larger) that are uncontrollably attracted to decent guys.

    This is an interesting insight. It’s not entirely wrong.

    It’s also not entirely right. There isn’t equivalence.

    Women are more sexually attracted to dominant, edgie, sometimes violent men than they are to mild nice guys. They just are. But you’re right that serial killers are too far out there for all but a tiny minority of women, and that there are more women that would be attracted to decent nice guys. However even now the lingering disgust with serial killers is probably heavily socially mediated. If feminism convinced it’s sisters and maginas in the media to promo non judgmentalism towards sex with serial killers, the attraction levels among American females would go way up.

    They’re not as attracted to serial killers, most of them, as they are more in control physical, smart, dominant leaders.

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  138. How bout guys with money doug. Makes it simpler.

    Although for the sake of mankind I will test this theory.

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  139. I have thought it before as a test but yea I think I will follow through and place myself at the financial mercy of my wife as her final test to see if she is really some kind of saint on this earth or something and see how the dynamic plays out.

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  140. Can we find one good woman. The bible says no. I like to think its possible.

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  141. Little backstory she said I could come home and chill after working the 5 years and she doesn’t care about me having money she will take care of it with what I gave her already. She said she just wants to have me there so yea just taking her at her word.

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  142. notaloser = Will Wilkinson?

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  143. I honestly have to wonder if the writer of this post has ever actually had an intimate relationship, or whether their entire conceit of human interaction has been collected from Fundamentalist Muslim and/or Christian literature. I am horrified at the poorly developed set of social skills and basic human understanding on display by some of the writing on this blog. It’s almost like robots have been programmed to write about this stuff but only their “Hate” Chip had been activated.
    Hatey.

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  144. “Women respect truth” is a game move by women.

    When man believes that lie, and tells the truth, women can easily recognize that man is a autistic idiot, who will not survive out there.

    Additionally, woman will get information that the man would not otheriwise give out voluntarily. They gain an advantage from this information.

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  145. @ironrailsironweights: Speaking of lies, I notice in that pic that the curtains don’t match the carpet.

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  146. I remember once picking up a Spanish girl at a party in Spain, where I was living at the time. I don’t remember much about our conversation that night but obviously I told her at some point that I was American and that became a subject of conversation. The next morning she playfully said to me, “Are you really American or did you just say that to get into my pants?” I could feel her disappointment when I matter-of-factly said, yes, I am American. She would have preferred to learn that I had lied to her.

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  147. that’s retarded. Makes no sense at all. Look on our logic, ye female, and despair.

    beautiful

    and yes, Doug1, ozymandias is retarded and his comment is entirely wrong. By the same line, if 500 men in the US had multiple sclerosis, those would have groupies running after them

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  148. Anyone else just completely ignore David Alexander’s comments? There are a couple of posters I automatically skim right past, and he’s one of them.

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  149. HPV Proven Major Cause of Throat Cancer

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271092,00.html

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  150. “It’s your ‘baby'” lol

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  151. I generally read most comments, especially by people with a rep for either (1) brief but funny and insightful comments like Tupac, Gig and Rum, or (2) long but intelligent comments like Vlad or Doug1 — when the latter isn’t writing about feminism or divorce laws, topics on which my interest is minimal.

    Long comments from people who write badly/incoherently, or on topics I have no interest in, or without paragraph breaks, I usually skip.

    Some people, like Obsidian, can tighten up their writing: less noise to signal ratio is needed. They are OK when brief but not so much when verbose.

    I enjoy DA’s comments. Despite his oddball trollitry, he has personality. And personality goes a long way.

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  152. […] posted since. I use quotes because lately I’m noticing women trolling as men on my blog and others. “The women chased my aggressively” sounds like something a girl would say. […]

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  153. “They tell girls they’re “Firepower” from roissy and them panties drop.”

    Whaaat! That wasn’t you?

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  154. He must have been a half women android to be as beta as “I have never lied to a women for sex”

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  155. chicy fuckface: “How and when did chic noir become a guest villain?”
    —she lies and lies and lies….

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  156. Let me get this straight, ROSIE,

    [editor: that’s mr. roissy to you.]

    It is okay for guys to lie in an attempt to pick up women, but you have issues with CHICNOIR–and you pick on her because you think she “lies”?

    [chiclet can lie all she wants, and i will rub her cunty face in her lies every time.]

    GO.

    FUCK.

    YOURSELF.

    [SELF-RAPE!]

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  157. The Beavie does have a point.

    I have lied to get girls on occasion, but only with minor white lies so as to not ruin a good vibe, or with whoppers that were so over the top (“I am a male exotic dancer”) or so imaginative (“I am a Russian journalist doing a Rolling Stone-sponsored artikle on night life in Amyerika”) that in and of themselves were so cool that the girls would not have minded the deception.

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  158. BB: “It is okay for guys to lie in an attempt to pick up women, but you have issues with CHICNOIR–and you pick on her because you think she “lies”?”
    —Yes.

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  159. Hey PA, I was wondering if your early years in the States attempting to assimilate was anything like this. LOL 🙂

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  160. I can’t view vids on this computer but I’ll let you know later how close your guess is.

    My attempts at assimilation were a combination of Robin William’s character in “Moscow on the Hudson,” Eddie Murphy’s in “Coming to America” and Christopher Lee’s in any Dracula movie. Scaled down to a fourteen-year-old.

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  161. I bet that you could find a group of women who doddle on men with disabilities

    Actually I can assure you they are out there… girls who for whatever reason want a man who is utterly helpless

    I’d imagine most of those girls aren’t terribly attractive… most of Ted Bundies groupies that I’ve ever seen aren’t either

    The entire intelligence and beauty being correlated thing

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  162. on November 5, 2009 at 12:20 pm Cannon's Canon

    tupac:
    “I know a guy that tears through women by lying to them by saying he loves them, and does the whole “perfect boyfriend” thing, even though he always ends up dumping them 3-4 months down the road, leaving the girls devastated.

    I’m not quite sure how I feel about that kind of lying. Wait, yes I do: it’s pretty damn wormy, slimy and weasly.”

    i kept thinking about you last night, minimal homo, on this comment.

    by far, the most i have ever devastated a girl in my modest career was at age seventeen. i was fresh off of getting played by a princess that i had been pedestalizing, and i was trying SO HARD to make the rebound girl fit my mold. that destined love of my life that we were taught about in sunday school, by our mothers of unbroken families, seen at the 20-seat thanksgiving table… i sold it to her.

    but i was lying: to her, but also to myself. and when my first choice girlie wandered back into the picture, i vamoosed. i feel worse about this, eleven years later, than i do for any girl i’ve ever coaxed into a hookup.

    where did i learn to lie like that? for all the fuss, certainly not in ‘mystery method’ or ‘mankiw’s intro to macro’.

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  163. All this is amusing to me. It is okay for you to lie, but women shouldnt lie? Hehehehe. Yeah, there is just one little problem with that: just because you think so doesnt make it so. And since you are not emperor or ghengis khan, so, yeah, that pretty much makes you and your little statement impotent. I do what ever the fuck i want, little boys. If you or anybody cant stand that, tough cookie, little twerps.

    Another one that made me laugh was the comment by EPOXY 17 or LEPROSY 69 or whatever his fracking name is(the guy bonging lillian aka lill girl). If a man cant handle a woman with advance degrees, fuck him. There are other men that does. Life is full of choices. Plenty of fishes.

    What you blathering idiots want is a society where women have little or no choice that deviates from your expectation, as such, you fantasize about some inviolate “alpha/beta rules” and postulate your anaemic theory of attraction. Dream on, pustule-cups, life doesnt give a quantum fuck of your neurosis. Life isnt fair.

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  164. on November 5, 2009 at 12:48 pm Michael wears a hat

    Biting Beaver, get the sand out of your vagina. You might feel better.

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  165. on November 5, 2009 at 1:07 pm Biting Beaver

    Micheal Wears a hat?

    really? More like Micheal wears a pink dildo….on his head.

    they should change your name to “MiCHELLE”.

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  166. on November 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm Seeking Alpha

    If a man cant handle a woman with advance degrees, fuck him.

    Handle is an interesting word choice.

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  167. aoefe glistened:

    “They tell girls they’re “Firepower” from roissy and them panties drop.”

    Whaaat! That wasn’t you?

    probly was me.

    even I’ve been known to get up to the Arctic Circle whenever my peenr feels like pointing True Magnetic North

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  168. hehehe, BB is funny. I like it when she laughs when she’s gang raped.

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  169. on November 5, 2009 at 2:39 pm Biting Beaver

    LOSER-kid,

    Do you think it is funny when a burly latino with callused hands fiddle your anus with a pink feather to the music of Glenn Beck tears?

    then no jokes about rape, you little waste putrid fart.

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  170. lurker’s dream date – lurker getting whisked away by Dick Cheney on a CIA rendition flight to some bankrupt ex-Soviet republic where the man of his dreams waterboards “terrorists” and saves the world, while lurker is giving him a rim job.

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  171. on November 5, 2009 at 6:08 pm msexceptiontotherule

    “Gunslingergregi:
    How can you be a quality woman if you have hate in your heart.”

    I thought it was ok to hate child molesters and rapists, and religious groups that send people to neighborhoods so they can try and recruit people door-to-door. If inmates are willing to spend a month or more in solitary and all that time working on the shank they use on someone who is doing time for child molestation, it should be ok to hate sex offenders for the rest of us!

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  172. on November 5, 2009 at 6:10 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Hate is a strong word. Maybe really really really dislike “(pick something to put here)” is better?

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  173. Zunder:
    And more bitterness. It seems to be a constant here in blog world. I’m talking about fundamental lies. I’m talking about dishonesty at a level that could harm someone on the receiving end of it. Man or woman. At times I DO disrespect myself, but it has never been regarding truth or lies.
    oh, and tit for tat:
    you overdid the cocky head tilt and squinty eye. But maybe your eyes are just squinty..?

    and maybe my bottom lip is just large. You quite possibly aren’t an ass, but you’re being an ass towards me. Take it back or rephrase your opinion in a non-attacking way, please.

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  174. “What you blathering idiots want is a society where women have little or no choice that deviates from your expectation, as such, you fantasize about some inviolate “alpha/beta rules” and postulate your anaemic theory of attraction. Dream on, pustule-cups, life doesnt give a quantum fuck of your neurosis. Life isnt fair.”

    Can’t speak for the blathering idiots Biting Beaver (I’ll leave that job with you), but what I want is a society where shrews like you either get tamed, or locked away for the preservation of everyone else’s mental well-being.

    Your self-appointment as Life’s spokesperson is an interesting touch.

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  175. Respecting a woman(i.e a broad whom you are gonna bang), or respecting a woman unconditionally simply because there’s a gash between her thighs… this is a quality of super-beta men. Losers. Silly chivalrous white knights who then moan why they got LJBF’ed.

    Listen, to sucessfully fuck women, you have to discard that outdated, gentlemanly ‘I-respect-women’ mindset. Treat women with a condescending scorn, as ‘children of a larger growth’. Then watch the gina tingle for you.

    P.S: Guys, if you just want friends, get male friends. More common hobbies, shared interests and topics to chat/discuss about. Women can’t even get along with members of their own sex.

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  176. anoukange

    Zunder:

    you overdid the cocky head tilt and squinty eye. But maybe your eyes are just squinty..?

    I can feel the heat.
    rawr.
    get a room u2

    mout

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  177. on November 6, 2009 at 12:33 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’msexceptiontotherule
    Hate is a strong word. Maybe really really really dislike “(pick something to put here)” is better?
    ”””””
    Hoe about those people get in the way of your happiness.

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  178. on November 6, 2009 at 12:36 pm gunslingergregi

    I think we should still have mercy on them and send them off to the other side rather than imprisoning them like zoo animals and even zoo animals dislike being caged.

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  179. I don’t believe that men should lie to women to get sex for the same reason I don’t think men should lie to sell cars.

    I don’t want to do business with frauds. I don’t want to have sex with them either. Trust is one of those hard limits for me. If I don’t trust someone, things can’t go any further.

    The right to be arbitrary and psychotic about these things is something else I hold dear. Once someone has decided to screw with me, all bets are off. If I have the chance to break something dear to them, I will so long as it doesn’t cost me anything.

    I may be strange and rare in this, but I don’t think so.

    So don’t lie to a woman like me for sex. I don’t even mean me at my age or maturity. Don’t lie to anyone like I have ever been since I was a teenager, for sex. I’m a cool, easygoing girl who can take it on the chin, but you better be able to take it just as well.

    Problem is, frauds are usually “glass jaw” people. They do what they do because they think they are the smartest person in the world, and that their suckers are so kind that they would never hurt them.

    A few people banked far too certainly on my kindness. They have since found their egos in ruins. Perhaps they shouldn’t have used my delicate heartstrings to hold them in place.

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  180. About lying, i found a comment i did around 8 months ago, ago i have brushed it up a bit.

    All people lie, it depends from person how big of guts you have to pull a big lie, in this context i’m a bunny, i hate lying coz it always came back to me and made me more harm then good, i learned this when i was 12. i sure pull small lies, like, why i came late, or a new haircut that someone had (that went horibbly horribly wrong). Or when i was young that i took booze or money from parents. But i wouldn’t lie to backtalk another person, i wouldn’t make up things,,,
    So, also in lying, there are, as far as i am concerned, good lies and bad. To lie to a girl/man as huge as, i tested myself for std’s or, i’m single or i love you, are bad.. Perfect lies are does that don’t hurt or mislead people around.

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  181. on November 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm gunslingergregi

    Nicole its when you tell the truth that you hurt the most feelings. Everybody can just excuse the liar since. Hey he lied to me thats why bla bla bla happened. Its not my fault.

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  182. Gunny, it’s like ripping off a bandaid. Quick is better than slow.

    What always struck me as comical about the few frauds I’ve encountered in my romantic history is obvious whenever I looked into a mirror.

    Why in the hell would a guy sacrifice his integrity for a sustained period of time (a year or more) for a fat, 35+ woman who couldn’t even offer them the social convenience of being Jewish or Muslim?

    Why were more lining up to do so until my husband and I got back together?

    What is wrong with these idiots?

    …but they think they’re smart. Some of them even think they are good people for being so magnanimous to be attracted to a chubby woman who’s almost 40.

    Now, I don’t blame it all on them. I should probably have been more careful, and dug up some information from somewhere on the dirty details of what it’s like to be socially inconvenient, but I couldn’t find any American female expats who were honest and/or didn’t have a crappy attitude towards men in general. So I was pretty clueless.

    Still, that doesn’t excuse the frauds’ half of the responsibility…and if it is indeed about survival of the fittest then well, I win.

    I win partly because I’ve never been desperate enough to shag much less get involved with someone I legitimately believed ugly or inferior to me.

    They are that desperate and that stupid. So there’s a weakness to exploit without prejudice.

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  183. One of the main issues is age. You cannot say you are more than 15 years older. As Roissy said, afterwards she may already be in love or lust and the truth carries much less chance of rejection. Nobody ever rejects because a lie was told but, rather, because of the info itself if it still matters as much as when there was no relationship consummated.

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  184. Jerry.
    I have a 50 year old male friend, he looks like 35, he has no problem with women, and he is not hiding his age either, he is actually really picky. if you need to make up a lie about how old you are, i guess you are in the wrong crowd.

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  185. Whatever good or evil we do, it all comes back to us in the end.

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  186. BTS, as far as I can see, it doesn’t need to come back. You get what you pay for from jump.

    I figure a guy who lies to get me into bed pretty much deserves the spinning class level “gone to a happy place” blank stare he gets for his mechanical prodding. It may be different for other women. Some can suspend judgement long enough to fill in the gaps where some passion should be.

    This could be one of those pizza things though. If all a guy could look forward to before becoming a fraud was unenthusiastic mechanical sex with hoes, then strained mechanical sex with a girl who thinks she’s his girlfriend and cares enough to be confused by his “selfishness in bed” is a small step up.

    Either way though, he’ll never know what it’s like to be strong enough for a woman. He’s afraid of them and can’t just say, “Look, I’m a man, you’re a woman…not interested? Next bitch!”

    That has got to suck for a male. If the only options he can see are being a doormat pussy or being a lying pussy, then he’s never getting that itch scratched just right. So what he lied to get isn’t going to satisfy him. Nothing goes around that needs to come around. He’s an automatic self fucking mechanism.

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  187. […] posted since. I use quotes because lately I’m noticing women trolling as men on my blog and others. “The women chased my aggressively” sounds like something a girl would say. […]

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  188. Well the Beta has a point. Don’t get me wrong, I mean I make shit up ALL THE TIME. It’s ingrained in me, and chicks love the adventure. But I seldom bother to go to the effort of caring enough about covering my tracks to actually directly lie to someone. (Except in business). Seduction for me is so easy that I lose interest if I don’t spice it up, give the target a head start or in some way handicap myself.

    These days I’ll just tell a woman exactly what I’m doing – what buttons of hers I’ll press and how she will respond to it. I’ll tell her she’s being gammed. I will intentionally push and turn her away, only to bring her back again – and despite knowing exactly what ‘tricks’ I am playing, she will come along for the ride anyway.

    Why? It’s very simple, if you’re alpha enough then it almost doesn’t matter what you say or do, your alphaness will lead its way into her pants.

    And don’t be so afraid of losing your alpha status that you’ll never comfort or nurture a good woman. She needs your strength. It’s good to let a woman grow and mature and to learn from you about herself over time – the key is to just never let her bullshit get in the way of your primary mission. If you are a secure, confident and masterful alpha then you won’t need to be worrying about your position, it will just always be.

    Badly.

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  189. You’re confusing feminism with chivalry. It’s the culture of chivalry that “believe[s] women are emotionally underdeveloped children.” That’s pure chivalry.

    Feminism is the opposite of chivalry. Feminism assumes that women are adults and can make their own choices. A true feminist woman would never propose to “protect women from themselves.” Maybe you’ve been surrounded by women who are not true feminists but who are simply greedy.

    What you hate is chivalry, as do I. You’ve gotten it all mixed up, as most men do (and most women do). Feminism is your friend. I bang a handful of feminist women every year, and it’s wonderful. They pay half, they carry their own shit, they’re on the pill and often hate kids, and they don’t expect me to throw my cape over a muddy road. If it means I can’t call ’em “toots” at work that’s a tradeoff I’m willing to make. I love it.

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  190. “A man would have to be psychologically castrated and/or flamingly gay to make such blubberingly pussboy assertions.”

    No. Even gay men lie to get sex. its almost pathological.

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