The Conventional Wisdom

Many readers sent me this article from CNN.com called “18 things to teach your sons about women”. Juicy lede, eh? Because it was written by a woman attempting to give advice about men, there is much potential for unintended humor. As little as women know about their own natures, they know even less about men’s. I described in this post why this is so:

Since men are [primarily] the chosen in the mating dance, they have to be more aware of reality than do women. If men ignore reality, they risk involuntary celibacy. If a woman looks attractive (which is most of them during their prime fertile years), she can ignore reality to her heart’s content as unicorns and rainbows shower her in cellophane raindrops and still have suitors lined up around the block to fuck her.

So I’m not expecting much. The conventional wisdom has morphed into something resembling the “femifocal wisdom”, what with the mass media infiltrated by and geared toward women, with men being relegated to small outposts like “The World’s Most Dangerous Jobs: Ice Truckers”. Anytime you read an article in a putatively mainstream outlet like CNN, even a front page article, you are actually reading a woman’s warped point of view, which, truth be told, is worse than useless information — reading it will make most men’s lives more miserable.

These 18 bullet points of WHAT WOMEN WANT seem like perfect fodder for the whip-wielders at the Chateau to examine and flay to pieces.

1. Pick your battles.

Surprisingly, the author is off to a reasonable start. Alpha males (you know, the men women find most attractive) don’t sweat the small stuff. Let her win some of the insignificant arguments that don’t matter to you. Of course, you’ll put up a false front that the issue is extremely important to your manly sense of pride, so that when you finally cave she will be awash with gratitude and blowjobs love.

2. Walk on the outside (closer to the street) of your female companion.

Meh. Standard alpha procedure. The author intuitively understands (under the rubric of chivalry) that not all male body language is created equal. Some positions are more dominant than others. 2 for 2.

3. Saying “You’re being crazy” is never an appropriate response, unless you want her to go postal on you.

No doubt the author has been called crazy by a man she dated. I haven’t had too many women go postal on me because I correctly noted their crazy-assedness. If the bitch is crazy, it’s one of many appropriate responses. 2 for 3.

4. Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids are things men can actually do as well as women.

Is she trying to teach her future son the fine art of living like a eunuch? While this is technically true for cooking and cleaning, (the evidence suggests men are not as psychologically equipped as women for the task of raising small children), in practice men don’t do these things as well as women because they have less interest in doing them. Women need to grasp that their demands for cleaner homes are *their* oddball proclivities; most men are perfectly content letting dust accumulate, books remain unshelved, and toddlers eat their poop. 2 for 4 for teaching your son to be more like a woman. All the furious fembot shrieking to the contrary, chicks don’t dig kitchen bitches, lady.

5. Keep backup supplies of quality chocolate in the house for her to raid.

For what? To fatten her up? 2 for 5.

6. Buying tampons and other feminine products shouldn’t embarrass you –everyone knows they’re not for you.

I actually once had a girlfriend leave me because I wouldn’t go into CVS to buy her tampons. That wasn’t the sole reason for the breakup, of course, but it was one straw too many on the camel’s back. If she’s with you, she buys the feminine products, and you buy the masculine products. This is the way of the universe. To do otherwise is the way of the eunuchracy. 2 for 6.

7. Women like compliments and gifts.

Correction: Women like compliments and gifts in small doses and when least expected. A man must make his woman earn her specialness. I’ll give her this one out of mercy. 3 for 7.

8. Earning less than her shouldn’t be emasculating.

Put “shouldn’t” in one hand and “but it will” in the other, and see which one fills up first. Exception: If you are a man with game or other positive male attractiveness attributes, you can afford to handicap yourself in relative relationship earning power (RREP). 3 for 8.

9. Be on time, even if she usually isn’t.

Massive correction: Never be on time during the courtship phase, and occasionally be late while in a relationship, even if she usually *is* on time. 3 for 9.

10. Don’t be a pouty puppy when shopping with her.

How about “Don’t be a pouty puppy… ever”? Blatantly obvious. If you hate shopping, smack her ass and tell her to have fun, you’re going golfing. Women tingle ginarrifically for men with limits. 4 for 10.

11. Find out what her favorite flower is.

This is a good one, and true. I have had success recalling my girl’s favorite flower and giving it to her at a later date. It’s a small token of affection that will cost you almost nothing. 5 for 11.

12. If you like her, then don’t buy her shoes; it’s bad luck.

Never heard this before, but I’d say it’s a bad move to buy her shoes regardless of the karmic retribution. Do you really want to positively reward the blossoming of her latent princess? 6 for 12.

13. Smiling and nodding aren’t the same as listening.

But they’re close enough for government work. However, most men should do a better job of listening, if for no other reason than that it helps them get out of their heads and into the moment. 7 for 13.

14. It’s OK to cry in front of her, but keep the blubbering to a minimum.

No, it’s not, unless he knows how to emote like an alpha. 7 for 14.

15. Personality goes a long way.

True, but trite. The author is really putting herself out there! 8 for 15.

16. At some point she’ll be more important than your mother.

I hear this lament from women in the media constantly, but in reality how many men remain stuck at the teat of their mothers? Most men I know hardly ever talk about their moms. Maybe this a racial thing, or a *cough* Jewish thing, but my experience is that the momma’s boy complaint is overblown. 9 for 16 for being so brave to tell a hackneyed truth.

17. You will never completely understand women.

Keep telling yourself that, toots. The lid is blown off this joint. 9 for 17.

18. Oh yeah, and no woman will ever be good enough for my baby!

What if she’s pre-Seal Heidi Klum? 9 for 18.

***

The author, a representess of the gina-soaked conventional wisdom, didn’t do too badly. 50%. With some more study into the true nature of men and women she could bump up to an F+, thereby giving her hypothetical son a chance to avoid getting LJBF’ed for the entirety of his teens and 20s. But if we were grading on a curve, she would earn a zero, because half of her points are so vaguely prosaic that it would be impossible to find fault with them, and the half that have some meat on the bone are horrendously ignorant of reality.

Now if it were me giving advice to my hypothetical son, I’d steer him down the path of illumination.





Comments


  1. What if she’s pre-Seal Heidi Klum?

    That’s a good one.

    Nobody likes polluted pussy.

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  2. “Because it was written by a women…”

    Written by a woman or written by a women?

    Sloppy.

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  3. Screw that. I don’t care what that feminist crackpot says. Women should not be giving advice to men.

    Women are flakey, emotional, and unstable. once you know this you will understand everything.

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  4. on September 24, 2009 at 1:15 pm Keep a Movin' Dan

    Some of the things you lable as “banal” are only banal to people who’ve gotten a remedial course in game… which unfortunately is well under half the population. “Personality goes a long way” is, sadly, a potentially life-changing revelation to many men.

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  5. “11. Find out what her favorite flower is.”

    I have never, not once, purchased flowers for my old lady. If I did, she would assume I’m cheating on her. The most expensive jewelry I have ever purchased was probably some $3 necklace or earring made out of a cowhorn that I found at a third-world market.

    “14. It’s OK to cry in front of her, but keep the blubbering to a minimum.”

    If the movie makes you cry, at least fake an allergy attack or something. Women want to know that you have emotions, but they don’t want to see all of them. Have the decency to hide them.

    “3. Saying “You’re being crazy” is never an appropriate response, unless you want her to go postal on you.”

    There are many ways, verbal and non-verbal, to let her know that she is, indeed, crazy. It is important to do this often. They want to be reminded of this fact.

    “7. Women like compliments and gifts.”

    I am stingy with compliments, so when she gets them, she is delighted. Just to rub it in, I sometimes go over the top and say things like, “your hair smells like a spring garden, a joyful brook of crystal-clear water, a happy place where children congregate, and which contains only the faintest whiff of rotting sunfish.”

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  6. 4. Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids are things men can actually do as well as women.

    Supposedly “empowered” women always claim this, and the “taking care of the kids” part usually involves infant feeding too. I’m only going to make this one comment on the topic because the issue always generates such controversy, and it shouldn’t. If you’re female and you have a baby, you breastfeed, unless you’re in the rare 5% of the population who can’t.

    I have no idea why women so readily relinquish their ability to feed and nurture their children just for the sake of achieving perceived “equality.” Fine, if you want to pump enough milk for a photo for the novelty of dad feeding the baby. But relegating the task to your male partner when you’re clearly biologically equipped to do so (minus a double mastectomy or something similar) exemplifies the worst part of the women’s lib movement: outsourcing the most important aspect of an infant’s life to males to create the illusion of equality.

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  7. Getting to the point of actually verbalizing “You’re being crazy” is a loss for the fella. A look, maybe two, should scream this at her without you ever opening your mouth.

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  8. I think she’s technically correct on #3. Saying, “You’re acting crazy” just doesn’t have enough oomph to it.

    Much better to say, “Bitch, you be actin’ crazy!”

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  9. I’ve given much thought to what I want my son(s) to know when I have them.

    Number 1 on the list is: “Learn how to say “No.””
    Corollary: “Learn how -and when – to say “Fuck you””

    Number 2: “Don’t put women (or anyone) on a pedestal.

    Number 3: “If you do something; do it right and without complaint.”

    Number 4: “Don’t be passive-aggressive. Choose one or the other.”

    Also, I plan on directing him to Roissy early in life. Of course I’ll mix some other reading materials to give him a good balance, but the sooner he learns this shit the better.

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  10. […] Yes, sir – you understand women very well.  In fact, you understand them so well that one dumped your ass for violating this rule, which you say doesn’t work.  Hmm…well, you’re still SO FUCKING ALPHA. […]

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  11. Calling a woman crazy is the best way to stop her from being crazy.

    Women love to think they’re not like other women, they’re special flowers, and they’ve got it together, i.e. are not insane. They are always messed up.

    The few who do say, “I’m crazy” are, conversely, more sane. They recognize when they’re acting like a woman and will knock it off. And if you do call them on it, they will knock it off.

    These latter women tend to act more feminine and understand sex differences.

    Marry the latter.

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  12. I’ve given much thought to what I want my son(s) to know when I have them.

    Number 1 on the list is: “Learn how to say “No.””
    Corollary: “Learn how -and when – to say “Fuck you””

    Number 2: “Don’t put women (or anyone) on a pedestal.

    Number 3: “If you do something; do it right and without complaint.”

    Number 4: “Don’t be passive-aggressive. Choose one or the other.”

    Also, I plan on directing him to Roissy early in life. Of course I’ll mix some other reading materials to give him a good balance, but the sooner he learns this shit the better.

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  13. roissy announced: Many readers sent me this article from CNN.com

    people actually – still – read that?

    how vulgarly passe

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  14. If she’s with you, she buys the feminine products, and you buy the masculine products. This is the way of the universe. To do otherwise is the way of the eunuchracy.

    I don’t get this; I’m perfectly happy to buy whatever you need, and I don’t get the unwillingness to do the same.
    And are there even masculine products?

    [hey Dana, 3 “I”s in 1 sentence. Enjoy.]

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  15. al

    for the record, there is nothing inherently wrong with using “i” so much, it just seems to be a specifically female writing trope. one rarely comes across a paragraph written by a man where every single sentence starts with “i”.

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  16. Chuck, very good points 1-4. Also goes without saying that a boy seeing his dad act like an alpha at home is the best lesson of all.

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  17. you gave away too many points for vague platitudes.

    this whole list is a little off, which was the point of the post. many unimportant items are covered, while some vital ones (esp. the one noted above by Chuck: NO PEDESTAL! gee, how could any woman miss that one, that she is not the center of the universe and her every whim should not be catered to?) are omitted.

    but some of the items are just odd. bad luck from buying shoes…? whaa…? is that some weird Vassar lore of some kind, that no man would ever know of?

    also, @roissy – favorite flower? yeesh, what happened to Skittles Man…? i actually agree that this is a good idea, but it’s a little at odds with the purest kind of asshole game, no?

    also, buying feminine products in a store, while inherently creepy and distasteful to men, does allow you the opportunity to make any number of crudely funny jokes or stories later. and gets you some chits to cash in. also, less importantly, as a potential sexy/funny conversation starter in the store. ex.: imagine you had been buying said products when the sexy au pair was next to you in that line at the Safeway. Bet you could have opened with that better than with almond butter.

    i like the expression “femifocal wisdom” and its idea as the distortion of “conventional wisdom”, aka common sense, by the dogmas of the elite. all based on the “women good, men bad” assumptions of the most extreme kind of feminism. it’s broader than just media programming, and extends to most areas of society: education, politics, psychology, (incl marriage counseling), divorce laws (that one’s for you, doug), employment, health care, etc. A true reality-distortion field, when you think about it.

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  18. Also, when instructing a kid in “life’s lessons,” it’s critical to speak to them in simple, easy to understand points.

    Lecturing and pontificating sound like “blah blah blah” to a kid. But saying something like “if you look hungry, you’ll never get fed” or “if you like a girl, tease her” (for example) wil have the desired effect.

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  19. on September 24, 2009 at 2:01 pm Usually Lurking

    This list would very likely be well received by most girls. Can anyone find a list that would be received equally well by most guys in a major publication/outlet. If not, then you can see the PC discrepancy.

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  20. When she’s acting crazy just ask her:

    Is (insert your name) gonna have to choke a bitch?

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  21. @al- condoms, right? tell me you’ve never picked up a package…

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  22. Maurice:

    “also, @roissy – favorite flower? yeesh, what happened to Skittles Man…? i actually agree that this is a good idea, but it’s a little at odds with the purest kind of asshole game, no?”

    pure asshole game won’t work in the long run. if it does, i doubt it would lead to a happy relationship for either party. i can’t remember the psychological term, but animals (humans included) respond most strongly to intermittent, unpredictable, positive stimulus. thus giving her flowers or presents occasionally and out of the blue is a strong attraction builder.

    for instance, being an asshole but coming out of nowhere with a sappy line like “You truly are beautiful” is one of the strongest aphrodesiacs around. you can easily observe your woman getting aroused by this.

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  23. Also, Maurice:

    are you advocating “Tampon Game”?

    lol, this is just getting crazy.

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  24. @chuck- i agree, and roissy says this as well. it’s the push-pull thing. maybe Skittles Man is just a pedagogical device, an image to conjure up every time you find yourself tempted to spend too much money on a woman.

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  25. Dana, I suspect, were you not to scare my delicate flower self, that I would be highly entertained and appreciative of your company over [your] drink and my [girly] drink…

    maurice I have; I’ve even braved Home Depot and aisles of screws, drills, and drill bits. (with written instructions, admittedly.)

    PS –

    condoms, right?

    My feminist uni taught us that if girls want reproductive freedom and control they have to be willing to embrace all forms of birth control, aka, get your skank ass to thriftys and buy some condoms before you even think about one night stands. (or pick some up from the guy handing them out on the quad)

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  26. @chuck- ha, no. although that concept would, you have to admit, make a very humorous post. i was just expressing surprise at roissy’s categorical refusal to buy the damn things. this from a guy who posted the phrase “attacked by the red army” a few weeks back. but if it’s true that anything can be spun up and skilfully used to start conversations, it’s certainly much more true for what is basically a vagina-centered product. Not advocating it, by any means, but now that I’m thinking about it …

    “Oh, these are for my hamster. She’s feeling terrible.”

    … and so on. Endless humorous possibilities. just be careful not to be too crude.

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  27. for the record, there is nothing inherently wrong with using “i” so much, it just seems to be a specifically female writing trope. one rarely comes across a paragraph written by a man where every single sentence starts with “i”.

    There is something wrong with it. It is poor communication, and a lot of men do it as well. It’s a bad habit that doesn’t get broken unless your career depends upon it. For most people that isn’t the case and it’s rampant and annoying on the Internet. I’m sure that some of my more negligent comments are full of superfluous personal pronouns; especially when theorizing. Any college student should be able to tell you of the grammatical gymnastics that take place in writing a thesis and avoiding starting every sentence with “I”.

    I don’t get this;

    Not understanding the concept is already implicit in rebutting the opinion. Properly it would be an interrogative since you are also trying to get a clarification or explanation by signaling your ignorance. I don’t get this = Why is that so?

    Many people will avoid interrogatives in speech because they think it makes them sound childish or stupid. In writing it’s fine though.

    I’m perfectly happy…

    This is the the only use of “I” that is strictly necessary and still could probably be avoided if needed.

    The use of ‘you’ as if she was actually talking to someone that she shops for instead of an Internet stranger is telling as well (which I suppose could be the case, but I find that unlikely). That is very ‘female’ typical.

    I don’t get the unwillingness to do the same.

    Not only a superflous “I”, but the entire phrase is repeated from the beginning of the sentence. “I don’t get…” twice, when it’s not even needed once. Just an excuse to use another “I”.

    Her sentence should have read…

    I’m perfectly happy to buy whatever is needed, and don’t understand the unwillingness to do the same.

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  28. @al- ah, the Freudian riches of that comment. SCREW? DRILL? yeesh, I bet you go shopping in Home Depot with one damn thing on your mind, and it ain’t drywall. 🙂

    also, was kidding about the condoms – of *course* your feminist indoctrination required early familiarity with the raincoat. In my day they did not hand them out on campus, though…

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  29. al

    I don’t get this; I’m perfectly happy to buy whatever you need, and I don’t get the unwillingness to do the same.
    And are there even masculine products?

    bfd. whenever she wants me to buy tampons, I reciprocate by having her pick up my other girl on side’s IUD.

    problem solved

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  30. PA–

    or “if you like a girl, tease her” (for example) wil have the desired effect.

    This lead me to think back to my early teasing experiences.

    The thing is, when you are in a socially dominant position in middle school (which doesn’t require you be the number one honcho just one of the few cool cats) teasing girls esp. ones unable to completely hide an interest or the gimmer of one in you, just comes completely naturally. You have to be seriously trained not to, to not want to do it. Might as well do SOMETHING with your cred after all.

    Sooo…. Along comes game and teaches guys to tease (neg) even when they AREN’T yet in much of a socially dominant position and haven’t been in one with hot women for some time (or ever). Kind of in reverse. But it WORKS. Makes her hindbrain feel you must be one of the cool cats. How else could you have the balls to tease HER?

    Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking with it.

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  31. “17. You will never completely understand women.

    Keep telling yourself that, toots. The lid is blown off this joint. 9 for 17”

    LMFAO! So true. I love it. Evolutionary psychology has exposed the “mysterious” nature of women.

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  32. Chuck–

    Number 2: “Don’t put women (or anyone) on a pedestal.

    Novaseeker had a long and really excellent exegesis on where putting women on a pedestal comes from that I’m sure you saw, but many others no doubt haven’t. He traces it back to the firm and explicit Victorian view in Britain that women were morally superior to men, and that men needed to allow themselves to be partially tamed by their influence.

    http://novaseeker.blogspot.com/2009/09/theres-nothing-in-street-looks-any.html

    (Of course one can trace the roots back further, to the ballads of courtly love in the Middle Ages and even to the cult of the Virgin Mary and the relatively elevated status of women in Christianity compared to most other religions, regardless of what the feminists say on that topic.)

    However I’d like to note that unlike our times, the Victorians balanced this with the view that men were inherently more vigorous, stronger in most every way (or the good men were anyway), and more logical. Hence men only did but should run the world of business and politics as well as war as the natural order of things. Further the Victorians believed that men needed to remain partly untamed by women so that the business of running and expanding an Empire that bestrode the world could proceed. That’s why though the Victorians disdained prostitution formally, and were intent that it not sully the world of proper ladies or of children, they tolerated it in practice as a natural outlet needed not only by the rougher sorts of men, but also the more vigorous and occasionally outre sides of worldly gentlemen. Or many Victorians including many Victorian women held these views. (Naturally when socialism started coming in in earnest post WWI, the perceived need for that and indeed in short order that whole side of men dissipated.)

    Roissy drawing upon Evo-Psych as well as applied game experiences has shown us just now animal the spirits of women are as well, at base.

    Of course those of both men and women CAN be shaped and restrained by culture. It’s just that current day American mainstream media and schools feminism is all about “you go girl” female empowerment, and restraining and shaming male dominance everywhere possible.

    So that’s how we come to a culture which believes that “all men are dogs”, so of course they would all like to have affairs if we let them, so the consequences of their doing so must be universal shaming and potentially economically extremely painful divorce.

    Whereas if a pedestaled (from the chivalric/Victorian tradition) woman wants one, it cuts against her nature to be monogamous, so there must be something wrong with the man (feminist misandry), and we can’t blame her very much (feminist empowerment, rather than Victorian shaming for in fact falling off her moral pedestal). So if he divorces her in consequence we surely shouldn’t allow him to punish her by withholding his house and more than half his wealth, and huge support for her and progeny however young and prebonded to him they may be.

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  33. also, i loved this:

    demands for cleaner homes are *their* oddball proclivities

    She who demands that the porcelain in the bathroom always be gleaming, will make it gleam herself.

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  34. on September 24, 2009 at 3:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’4. Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids are things men can actually do as well as women.

    Is she trying to teach her future son the fine art of living like a eunuch? While this is technically true for cooking and cleaning, (the evidence suggests men are not as psychologically equipped as women for the task of raising small children), in practice men don’t do these things as well as women because they have less interest in doing them. Women need to grasp that their demands for cleaner homes are *their* oddball proclivities; most men are perfectly content letting dust accumulate, books remain unshelved, and toddlers eat their poop. 2 for 4 for teaching your son to be more like a woman. All the furious fembot shrieking to the contrary, chicks don’t dig kitchen bitches, lady.
    ”””””””””””””””””””””

    Of course guys could do them as well. It is woman’s work though. If the guy did all that what the fuck would he “need” the woman for?

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  35. on September 24, 2009 at 3:22 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””6. Buying tampons and other feminine products shouldn’t embarrass you –everyone knows they’re not for you.

    I actually once had a girlfriend leave me because I wouldn’t go into CVS to buy her tampons. That wasn’t the sole reason for the breakup, of course, but it was one straw too many on the camel’s back. If she’s with you, she buys the feminine products, and you buy the masculine products. This is the way of the universe. To do otherwise is the way of the eunuchracy. 2 for 6.
    ””””””””””””’

    What the are feminine products?

    Rhetorical question doesn’t need answered.

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  36. Maurice–

    also, i loved this:

    Roissy: demands for cleaner homes are *their* oddball proclivities

    Yeah, I agree.

    It’s her damn nesting fettish.

    It goes beyond clean of course. They want improvements. Endlessly if you’ll accommodate them endlessly. Or many of them do.

    We should accommodate them only partially and then make clear that it isn’t OUR nesting agenda but HER’s, and that we’re owed big time.

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  37. Several observations. The first, if I could transmute CNN into toilet paper I would wipe my ass with it. Second, no self-respecting man should read or watch CNN.

    Lastly, I’ve never picked up tampons for any girlfriends. Even when they lived with me.

    Is this an American thing?

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  38. The conventional wisdom has morphed into something resembling the “femifocal wisdom”, what with the mass media infiltrated by and geared toward women, with men being relegated to small outposts like “The World’s Most Dangerous Jobs: Ice Truckers”.

    Ice Road Toll booth Operator

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  39. Itis another illustration of the old adage that “the convetional wisdom is always wrong in many significant respects”.

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  40. I’m going to cut off your genitals and eat them to gain your delusional power

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  41. why would it be bad luck to buy her shoes ? if a man bought me shoes , i would know “that’s the guy for me “.

    the flower thing is definitely good good good , i wish a guy would show up with some tulips at my doorstep.

    but i never think a man should get all his advice on women from one source. never a good idea.

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  42. I also don’t understand why there would ever be a need for a woman to ask another person to buy her ‘feminine hygiene products’.

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  43. i’ve asked a guy on occasion if i’m sleeping over … he runs down to the store i say ” hey i need ____, can you get them?”
    otherwise i make sure to bring them around but shit happens.

    most of them do it .. but i usually make a face like i’m not sure to ask .. but why not ? they are JUST tampons/pads.

    although no one should be asking a guy to run down for some monistat.

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  44. Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids are things men can actually do as well as women.

    A few weeks ago the wife accused me of being “unable” to clean the interior of the refrigerator. I told her I was perfectly able to do so, I just didn’t care that it was “dirty”. As Roissy said, I just wasn’t interested.

    Supposedly “empowered” women always claim this, and the “taking care of the kids” part usually involves infant feeding too. I’m only going to make this one comment on the topic because the issue always generates such controversy, and it shouldn’t. If you’re female and you have a baby, you breastfeed, unless you’re in the rare 5% of the population who can’t.

    When my wife was breastfeeding, on occasion I would give the baby a bottle, e.g. if the baby got hungry when she went out to the store or something. I had no problem with that.

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  45. Re: “pre-Seal Heidi Klum”

    Heidi Klum is a wealthy badass, and Seal is a badass for bagging her, and also for overcoming being born in Nigeria and having a disease that messed up his skin. Betas would have had their spirit broken by much less than that.

    I’m all for the intellectual accuracy represented by HBD, but an alpha is an alpha, regardless of the averages of groups they belong to.

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  46. Maurice —

    i was just expressing surprise at roissy’s categorical refusal to buy the damn things.

    I agree. Didn’t think our host would feel so strongly about a box of tampons. That said, I agree with Bonnie — why would a woman need another person to buy her these? Unless she’s one of the 2 in 2,000,000 women who are struck bedridden with cramps, or something.

    For the record: The last time I went into a pharmacy to obtain feminine products, the boyfriend had no problem coming with me. And standing behind me while I was deciding, and running commentary (there was a guy restocking shelves behind us, who was practically in tears by the end of it).

    “Why…is it taking you this long to decide? I mean, come on. What? You want…oh, false alarm. What about those? Those have WINGS! I remember when Always first came out with wings — they had all these commercials on TV. I used to go up to girls and ask them if they were wearing Always with wings. That worked pretty well, actually. Are you comparing thickness? Oh, look at these — these are super thick! They must be for fat chicks. How in the world is this such a hard decision for you?”

    12. If you like her, then don’t buy her shoes; it’s bad luck.

    Never heard this before, but I’d say it’s a bad move to buy her shoes regardless of the karmic retribution. Do you really want to positively reward the blossoming of her latent princess? 6 for 12.

    Since our relationship began, my shoe collection has easily doubled.

    I’ve never had so many seven-inch heels before.

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  47. on September 24, 2009 at 4:30 pm 54-Year-Old-Virgin

    Too many of the same people talking to each other in the Comments.

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  48. @LILGRL, epoxy- travel update: definitely will be in the Bay area Nov 2-6 – hope to be able to get a drink with you two and any other Roissy denizens who may be interested.

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  49. That CNN.com is publishing Frisky articles is a sign of severe cultural decline.

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  50. Roissy,

    I wanted to point you to this post by the economist Robin Hanson over at Overcoming Bias.

    Hanson mentions you in the post, and in the comments none other than our favorite little libertard douchebag Will Wilkinson shows up and tries to argue against the whole alpha/beta distinction and analysis, and in an obvious shot against you, specifically denigrates “armchair theorists of seduction.” Hanson, who is much better educated and more intelligent than Wilkinson, immediately shoots down Wilkinson and dismisses his weak claims.

    No doubt Wilkinson must be one pissed off little girl. After all, he has to share Hanson’s blogroll with you, and Hanson even explicitly mentions you in his posts and says that you provide insight. It must aggravate him to no end that you, an anonymous blogger with a blog devoted to “Game”, can get away with exposing Wilkinson for the giant pussy that he is whilst getting respect from brilliant people like Hanson.

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  51. “7. Women like compliments and gifts.”

    I am stingy with compliments, so when she gets them, she is delighted. Just to rub it in, I sometimes go over the top and say things like, “your hair smells like a spring garden, a joyful brook of crystal-clear water, a happy place where children congregate, and which contains only the faintest whiff of rotting sunfish.”

    Well played, sir.

    Yes, indeedy, mix a little backhandery in with some compliments.

    I compliment often – or rather, I show appreciation often. Kind of like a dog owner does. After she brings me my tea or food, I’ll say “what a good girl you are”. I want the house to have an aura and even a stench of love and appreciation. That way when I punish, it is from a base line she aches to return to.

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  52. @ maurice

    Sweet, we’ll be around.

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  53. pre-Seal Heidi Klum

    in other times such a comment would unleash the American Civil War again in the thread

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  54. i like the expression “femifocal wisdom” and its idea as the distortion of “conventional wisdom”, aka common sense, by the dogmas of the elite. all based on the “women good, men bad” assumptions of the most extreme kind of feminism. it’s broader than just media programming, and extends to most areas of society: education, politics, psychology, (incl marriage counseling), divorce laws (that one’s for you, doug), employment, health care, etc. A true reality-distortion field, when you think about it.

    i agree that so much of the pop-psychology and self-help crap out there is an attempt to replace what used to be called common sense and was handed down through working family and social institutions. much of this stuff, however, is not new. ‘femifocal wisdom’ has always been with us. much of it was at work in the soft power that women yielded as a counter to the hard power of men.

    the problem now is that as women gain that hard power, many still cling to the soft power. this is why so many men jsut don’t know how to act towards women. ‘treat her like a lady or treat her like an equal?’

    this is also why women’s self-reported happiness has declined inversely to their movement towards equality. i guarantee that if this woman found herself in a relationship with a man that followed her 18 steps to the letter, she would soon lose attraction for him. she’d start wondering why she fell for such a wimp, and lamenting about how she deserves better.

    as i like to say, sometimes the best way to punish someone is to give them exactly what they ask for.

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  55. Earning less than her shouldn’t be emasculating

    the whole point about earning MORE, MUCH MORE than women is having the resources to keep the mistress and the occasional hooker and the motive for eventual trips for “business reasons”

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  56. When do married men have affairs?

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  57. gig, which only serves to prove the cause of 5000 post race threads is specifically obsidian

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  58. Cogsys,

    “I’m all for the intellectual accuracy represented by HBD, but an alpha is an alpha, regardless of the averages of groups they belong to.”

    Sure. But it doesn’t make it any less bestial.

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  59. the whole point about earning MORE, MUCH MORE than women is having the resources to keep the mistress and the occasional hooker and the motive for eventual trips for “business reasons”

    Nah. It’s okay to be in a relationship with someone much richer than you are, as long as you’re very careful to make sure you never need more money than you can make on your own. With her money, make connections and enjoy yourself, but don’t become dependent, in any sense of the word, on her resources, because then you’re giving her an incredible amount of power over you, which kills the attraction. This is why it’s so rare for upper-class rich women to marry outside of their circle (but more common for men to do so).

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  60. I think cooking is okay if you do it with the right attitude, because it shows skill and that you can take care of yourself (i.e. not a momma’s boy). It should be, “Hey, I’m gonna cook up some steaks Friday night; why don’t you stop by and help me eat them? Bring a salad or something if you don’t like steak with a side of steak.” Not, “Honey, let me cook dinner in hopes that it’ll put you in the mood for sex later.”

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  61. I also don’t understand why there would ever be a need for a woman to ask another person to buy her ‘feminine hygiene products’.

    I’ve done it a couple of times when the girl didn’t want to walk around with blood dripping down her legs to get it herself.

    Chastised her to do a better job of planning ahead though.

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  62. Do you really want to positively reward the blossoming of her latent princess?

    Yes. Because her inner princess likes to dress like a slut.

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  63. maurice

    @LILGRL, epoxy- travel update: definitely will be in the Bay area Nov 2-6 – hope to be able to get a drink with you two and any other Roissy denizens who may be interested.

    Rewrite:

    @Lilgirl, epoxy, others – I’ll be in the bay area Nov 2-6. It will be a meet up for those who can make it.

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  64. Men can cook

    but when men cook its something good or special…which is why the best cooks are men

    men don’t cook mundane bullshit though like…bacon, eggs, toast, meatloaf, casseroles, etc etc

    I can make the perfect steak but can’t fry a piece of bacon

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  65. @xsplat – fair ‘nuf, better to address it to all. I know those two are there and up for happy hour meets (i.e., not afraid of losing Internet anonymity.) Come one, come all.

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  66. @ Tim

    but when men cook its something good or special…which is why the best cooks are men

    men don’t cook mundane bullshit though like…bacon, eggs, toast, meatloaf, casseroles, etc etc

    Hmm, really?

    Don’t get me wrong — my older brother went to one of the best culinary schools in the US, and he’s a fantastic cook — I’m all for men who can cook well.

    Buuut…there’s something kind of sexy about a guy who can only make good, hearty meals, and who balks at the sight of arugula (and who thinks that salt and pepper are unnecessary spices).

    That said, I would not be impressed if you didn’t have the attention-span to make a piece of toast.

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  67. @Maurice – actually you did invite everyone in your post. I was trying to alpha up the invite.

    You know, change the tone from supplication of company to being the guy who arranges parties and gets to invite people to the fun.

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  68. Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids are things men can actually do as well as women.

    As well as women?! Shiiiiiiiit. Since when do American women cook?

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  69. re: men equally sharing housework.

    I some somewhere recently a study which showed that men’s housework could actually go up, or diminish very slightly, when moving in together with a woman, and splitting the joint housework something close to 50/50, whereas pre children a woman’s usually went down signficantly.

    Why?

    Because she has much more exacting standards for housework than he does, typically.

    So ARISE yee oppressed men of America, and demand that since she creates 80% of the demand for housework, she provide at least 65% of the supply. She should consider herself lucky.

    That’s assuming the both work equal hours outside the home. Which is rare.

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  70. @xsplat- OK, also noted. i wasn’t really trying to impress any of the regulars with use of language, but i do see your point about the tone. You should come and bring some hot Indonesian honeys with you…!

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  71. @ maurice

    We’ll meet up with ya, whether the internet thinks your invitation was alpha or not.

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  72. Since when do American women cook?

    That’s a good point. Fifty years ago, when most women knew how to cook and cooked regularly, their reaction to a man who could cook was probably, “So what, I do that twice a day.” Nowadays, cooking a real meal is something only beautiful people on TV do, so you can make it work for you if you’re good at it.

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  73. Ya, Maurice, I was just keeping my brain limber. Kind of like trying to think up the most effective text message to send a human with a vagina that you’d like to get to know better.

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  74. on September 24, 2009 at 6:03 pm Virginia Gentleman

    As for Seal and Heidi Klum, one can only hope that their children will have his looks and her brains.

    Point sixteen is strange. A psych major I once knew insisted on a variant of that theme several times; she insisted that it was true, that it would have to happen and that it had better be resolved in favor of the girlfriend/wife, or else. (And the break would have to be both definitive and dramatic.)

    I of course laughed it off at the time, but after a few months of reading around here, it would seem that there’s something to it. Why? Perhaps the second woman wants to supplant the first—thou shalt have no other goddesses (or just plain women) but me, a control thing.

    Did I miss something with regards to Obsidian?

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  75. Yeah, I don’t know about European chicks, but I don’t think I’ve ever met a North American girl who was a good cook, and who enjoyed cooking as much as myself and some other men I know.

    I know lots of women in my parent’s generation (boomers) who are, so maybe it takes years of being a housewife to get good, or girls just learned that stuff back then.

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  76. As for Seal and Heidi Klum, one can only hope that their children will have his looks and her brains.

    ok, i’ll bite. why, exactly, would you wish any ill will on seal and klume?

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  77. on September 24, 2009 at 6:12 pm Virginia Gentleman

    J R:

    ok, i’ll bite. why, exactly, would you wish any ill will on seal and klume?

    Sheer beta-based spite, the whole “Curse him! He got what…well, what Flavio Briatore and others before and after him had and I never will!” thing. Plus, it’s a decent laugh or roll-your-eyes line; if it didn’t get chuckles and the like, I wouldn’t have posted it.

    In all honesty, I more or less concur with the sentiment posted up-thread by Cogsys. Grudging congratulations are due the guy, especially since he’s apparently still making money and releasing albums.

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  78. Italian men are also notorious for being unnaturally close to their mothers. It’s not uncommon for Italians to still live at home into their 20’s.

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  79. VA

    I of course laughed it off at the time, but after a few months of reading around here, it would seem that there’s something to it. Why? Perhaps the second woman wants to supplant the first—thou shalt have no other goddesses (or just plain women) but me, a control thing.

    I’m explicit with my GF that there is a ritualistic change of ownership, from her parents and her family to me, when she moves in with me. I gave her a new name, and explained that this was the reason why.

    When women marry they also change their family name.

    So too the man is no longer under his mothers dominion. He is now of his new family of his creation.

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  80. @ xsplat

    I gave her a new name, and explained that this was the reason why.

    Your girlfriend? Sorry, but this is kind of creepy.

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  81. Oh get of it, Ligirl. Does your boyfriend call you by your first name or a pet name?

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  82. Um, my first name.

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  83. Anyway, pet names are not creepy…it’s just creepy, the way you did it. If, in fact, you did it the way you say you did. Gave her a new name and then explained to her the reason was “transfer of ownership.”

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  84. It’s all in the delivery.

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  85. Heh, okay, I’ll take your word for it.

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  86. By the way Girl, this was perfect “Sorry, but this is kind of creepy.”

    I love the “Sorry” opener.

    What delicious condescension and shaming, in the passive aggressive guise of support.

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  87. What guise of support? It was just supposed to be condescending and shaming.

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  88. Well, you are sorry. That’s an empathetic concern. In a blatantly backhanded way.

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  89. Anyway LG, transfer of ownership is far from creepy. It’s been ritualized into all cultures, for thousands of years.

    Ownership is sexy. Pair bonding is sexy.

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  90. Oh, xsplat.

    Note that I said nothing about the actual “ritual” being creepy. Not at all. Mmmhmm.

    I am all up and down the side-bar. Mission accompli’

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  91. Ok, LG, so you agree with the principle – that ownership and transfer of ownership is cool enough to be wanted and even celebrated – even explicitly – even ritualistically.

    Therefore it might follow that doing so can be sexy in many ways. For instance buying your girl a ring. Or a slave collar.

    Or re-naming her.

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  92. When do married men have affairs?

    after they marry

    if it is before, it´s called dating

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  93. Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second.

    You guys don’t actually care if I can’t fold? Or don’t clean obsessively? Because I’m not naturally attentive around the house when occupied with 101 other things to do. And, okay, I let the other women do it. I’ve always had other women to do it.

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  94. “Smiling and nodding aren’t the same as listening?” But why would women request men to listen when that theoretically leads to the last thing they want (an honest response)?

    Re: Seal, I got nothing but admiration for the guy. Came up through a handful of handicaps and bagged an honest-to-God 10.

    When I was younger, a running inside joke was that Seal was my father, because he previously worked at McDonald’s where I also toiled .(My father looks nothing like Seal, thank God, or I would have had a much lower chance of being conceived).

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  95. “That said, I agree with Bonnie — why would a woman need another person to buy her these? “

    Same reason they ask you to hold their purse, or a dog humps your leg: they’re trying to humiliate you.

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  96. Lupo —

    Same reason they ask you to hold their purse, or a dog humps your leg: they’re trying to humiliate you.

    LOL

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  97. “4. Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of kids are things men can actually do as well as women.

    Is she trying to teach her future son the fine art of living like a eunuch? While this is technically true for cooking and cleaning, (the evidence suggests men are not as psychologically equipped as women for the task of raising small children), in practice men don’t do these things as well as women because they have less interest in doing them. Women need to grasp that their demands for cleaner homes are *their* oddball proclivities; most men are perfectly content letting dust accumulate, books remain unshelved, and toddlers eat their poop. 2 for 4 for teaching your son to be more like a woman. All the furious fembot shrieking to the contrary, chicks don’t dig kitchen bitches, lady.”

    Sorry, roissy, but you’re only partly right.

    The fact of the matter is that men are better at all three of these things than women – in the case of child rearing, vastly better, at least if prison statistics are to be believed.

    Not to mention that the best chefs are always men and all branches of the ultra-masculine military – of pretty much any country – are far and away better at cleaning than women.

    You’re right about the reason that these things are considered women’s work, though. It’s because we usually don’t want to do them, so we let women handle them.

    But when we do want to do them, we consistently outperform women, just like in every other facet of life except actual pregnancy and child birth. Why? Because when you get down to it, these are skills just like fighting, football, medicine, video games, engineering, construction, driving, composing music, mathematics, telling jokes and all the other stuff we can do that women can’t.

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  98. OM

    Sorry, roissy, but you’re only partly right.

    Another person who is sorry.

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  99. Sorry, xsplay, but I didn’t read through the comments before posting.

    I care about what you have to say. Really.

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  100. “Sorry, but…”

    How would you translate that into frank-speak?

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  101. désolé, mais

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  102. I’m desolated by your frankness. I feel sorry.

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  103. Sorry – by your franc-ness.

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  104. ASDF “I don’t think I’ve ever met a North American girl who was a good cook, and who enjoyed cooking as much as myself and some other men I know.”

    Stop dating urban harpies who are proud of their marathon trophies and masters degree in sociology. Working class girls cook up a storm. Foreign women rule the school with their cooking. A woman who can’t cook ain’t fully female. If she “can’t” (which always means “won’t”) cook, her lack of femininity will make you miserable in all kinds of other ways, and so you should avoid her. The one exception I made to this rule, I made buff my kitchen and bathroom (she also was good at cleaning and oiling guns) to make up for her lack of contribution to the relationship. That’s how it should be. Urban American women think their pussy excuses them from contributing anything else of value to the relationship. Wrong. In fact, usually their vaginas are inferior to those of women who cook and clean, because feminine women cook and clean. Bad attitudes = bad hoo ha.

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  105. Fun story… coming home from the gym this evening. Had a good workout with my formerly o m e g a friend “Mike.” I was driving and somebody cut me off like an idiot, so I naturally honked and moved over. So now, the dummy gets behind me, brights me, and follows me as I turn into a liquor store parking lot.

    OK, I’m thinking. Someone wants to play. Assessment: I don’t know who is in the car, so if it’s more than one person, I’m going inside and playing it by ear then. Got my cell if it looks like trouble. If it’s just one guy, and he’s less than 300 lbs of muscle, then let’s party.

    I step out of my car, and with my meanest thug face, glare at him — it’s just one guy, it turns out [I shan’t start a race thread, so I will say he’s … Norwegian]

    It works. He drops his gaze, and I go inside the store. He walks in, I glance at him, he avoids me. I pay, I leave.

    Moral of the story: it’s good to take a Friday off and kick back with a brew after a nice workout 🙂

    [editor: was he a well-tanned norwegian? you know how those arctic people worship the sun.]

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  106. on September 24, 2009 at 9:14 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Ok, LG, so you agree with the principle – that ownership and transfer of ownership is cool enough to be wanted and even celebrated – even explicitly – even ritualistically.

    Do remember that LG is the proud wearer of a certain piece of jewelry, the idea behind which was inspirational even to you.

    And yes, you can’t have a real, fulfilling relationship with a woman if you don’t own her.

    If she doesn’t happily acknowledge being your property (or, worse yet, if she rails against that notion), then, to her, the relationship is like a switch that she can turn on and off.

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  107. on September 24, 2009 at 9:17 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ PA
    Emoticons?
    After just one brew?
    Shit, bro

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  108. on September 24, 2009 at 9:20 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    She who demands that the porcelain in the bathroom always be gleaming, will make it gleam herself.

    …with her tongue. Heh.
    mmm.

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  109. OK so I’m going to be another self-obsessed girlie here… I try to be a girly girl, so this is maybe that perspective?

    I don’t and wouldn’t want my man to even KNOW very much about my special time of the month… it would feel strange to talk to a guy like he’s my girlfriend.

    I prefer to keep those female processes mysterious, not trying to give the poor guy some gross visual to think about… so unless it was a serious life or death type of emergency I would never ask him to the buy the stuff. In fact, I would probably improvise with paper towel or something and try to go to the store alone… I’ve done this before actually, I’ve told the guy “Mm… sorrryyyy… I need a liddle privacy pleeeze!” He understood when I asked like that

    About cleaning and cooking, I don’t get the Western/American obsession with splitting up housework. Why? Same with the whole “toilet seat up” thing. I never understood that… what’s the big deal if it’s up, put it back down?

    I am embarassed to say this, but when I get married I don’t expect my husband to do housework except for manly chores, maybe (fixing leaks, etc.). If he just jumps in that’s fine. If I have a busy career or whatever, we can get maids that I’ll manage and supervise. As long as he is doing the male role, which is to earn money, direct our finances, direct our larger goals, protect us from bad guys, teach our sons sports, etc.

    By the way, I think a lot of men of the older generation stayed married to their wives because they didn’t know how to even do laundry. My father is like this (we’re immigrants)… he is completely lost without my mother. He can’t figure out how to organize his clothes, iron, whether to refrigerate food or not… I don’t think he’s less of a person for it. He brings home the money to pay for the iron, the clothes, the food…

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  110. French MPs are demanding airbrushed photos come with a government ‘health warning’ to protect women from false images of female beauty.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1215017/French-MPs-health-warning-photos-airbrushed-women.html

    Yes, I read about this on feministing this afternoon, which is where I go for chuckles when the comment thread gets boring here. Women with opinions are so CUTE!

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  111. Lovelysex

    My father is like this (we’re immigrants)… he is completely lost without my mother. He can’t figure out how to organize his clothes, iron, whether to refrigerate food or not… I don’t think he’s less of a person for it. He brings home the money to pay for the iron, the clothes, the food…

    That’s sweet that you consider your dad to be so dependent on your Mom. I’m sure they have specialized their duties, and he does rely on her.

    But you may be underestimating his resilience. Men thrust out into a word without their mate learn quickly.

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  112. The French Parliament may be onto something. However, they are just scratching the surface. Truth in Female Advertising really should not stop at digital enhancements. Why not go all the way to total transparency in such matters?
    Make-up? A felony. Push-up bras? Slam them up against the nearest wall. To rid society once and for all of this sort of fraud, womens clothing should be made only of saranwrap. It would save a lot of time in sorting them out.
    Men, too, whatever. There will always be winners and losers.

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  113. xsplat – Yes, they both support each other. Although my mother over time has become more and more demanding of him (the American influence?). Somehow my Dad has avoided doing what she says though…lol

    About men who learn quickly out of necessity, I think that’s true in many cases but not all… I think age of the man matters a lot. A young guy, sure… but an older dog may not learn new tricks so easily 😉 (lolololololl)

    I’ve seen many old generation men from “the old country” (any traditional country) who get married or into a relationship very quickly after divorce/wife’s death. A man my father’s age got married within two years after his wife’s tragic death, to someone not hotter or younger but very much like her. I tend to think it was more for companionship and household support he married her, because the woman is so average, old and a widow herself. Just an example of course…

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  114. on September 24, 2009 at 11:11 pm The Fifth Horseman

    LSB wrote :

    My father is like this (we’re immigrants)… he is completely lost without my mother. He can’t figure out how to organize his clothes, iron, whether to refrigerate food or not… I don’t think he’s less of a person for it. He brings home the money to pay for the iron, the clothes, the food…

    And this is the same man who went apeshit when your fiance wanted a pre-nup.

    Indians of this generation are too far behind the times, and are utterly unaware of how the world has changed. They are the equivalent of US ‘social conservatives’ who force young men down a path that might have been normal 40 years ago, but today will lead them to ruin.

    I am embarassed to say this, but when I get married I don’t expect my husband to do housework except for manly chores, maybe (fixing leaks, etc.).

    Embarassed? Be PROUD. This belief alone makes you a better prospect than most white American women. You have a valuable personality trait here that men will greatly value, so use it well.

    I think a lot of men of the older generation stayed married to their wives because they didn’t know how to even do laundry.

    Yes. They allowed themselves to be hollow shells with no self-sufficiency skills at all.

    I, on the other hand, and a fully self-sufficient Indian man. My cooking is so good that white women get gina tingles when I pull out the exotic collection of spices. Their own lack of cooking skills makes this easier.

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  115. * *
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    To “Those In the Know”:

    This is another post about Houellebecq’s writings. For those of you who have not read Houellebecq, you can open up another tab to surf — for the best listed prices of his novels.

    Now, onto important matters:

    Houellebecq writes that our society is currently entrenched in a “Culture of Youth”… Existentialism, post-WWII ‘Baby Boomer’s’ material wealth, instant-gratification and the erosion of traditionalism have all combined in part to create a socio-cultural system that abhors thoughts of longterm benefit & consequence, aging and ‘The Future’.

    Roissy, or some other incredibly lucid individual wrote in passing (to paraphrase) that ‘the essence of pick-up is to invoke the playful little girl looking for daddy’s approval in your target’.

    Houellebecq would seem to agree. A significant portion of his last novel, “The Possibility of an Island” is devoted to the torturous correlative relationship between advancing age and increased sexual and intimate desire in men and women.

    Anyway, without [immediately] getting into the greater discussion potential that this line of considerations would almost assuredly yield, let me ask a few questions:

    [1] If our culture, society and civilization are obviously unsustainable in many ways, what RATIONAL and REALISTIC reforms and methods of implementation would you propose to mitigate against oncoming disasters and steer us all back onto a less dystopian projection?

    [2] {Personal Question} If I am a 21 year old that acts like a significantly older, but charming southern gent., but is still able to grab and hold the attention and favor of women in my age — Are there any technical methods I can use to transfer their standard-modern-grrrl frames over to mine, or will doing so depend solely on “Inner Game”?

    This isn’t a limiting belief, just a personal observation. Even though my current frame and persona work extremely well on country girls of all races and Latinas, I find my capability to deal with concrete-urban-girls to be lacking. I am sure that if I continue to develop “Game”, this issue will be minimized, but I would like to know if anyone has any immediate suggestions. No disrespect for the trendy-club-hopping-PUAs and PUGs, but I really don’t want to go down ‘that’ path — of character development or women…

    Much obliged.

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  116. Haha, I just realized that my previous comment was all over the place.

    Fatigue and multiple-idea threads yields something truly post-modern, I tell you what…

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  117. Ya, no kidding. I was wondering if that post was meth induced.

    What was your question? How to game non-intellectuals who are just out for a fuck?

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  118. Are or aren’t the best chefs in the world men?

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  119. Sure – the best anything is always men – because women can’t maintain passion for a craft. They can’t care.

    Even fashion is created by fags.

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  120. The Houellebecq commentary was meant to lead into the questions, but I felt that I could convey the connections without conveying the entirety of Houellebecq’s analysis. I was wrong.

    But, to reiterate on the second question:

    My influence and character are a direct result of my upbringing and mentors — soldiers, veterans and hardened old white men who drink whiskey.

    Thusly, I feel that I’m a bit ahead of folks my age in many ways, though such ‘proper perspective’ has come at the cost of making me somewhat of an “old soul”.

    My question was — Is there any way I can utilize this frame and persona — country gentleman — to seduce young, standard urban girls via techniques, or will I have to cultivate “Inner Game” to do so?

    Unfortunately, very few PUAs and PUGs deviate from the “Maxim Formula” of “Game”, so I don’t really have a ‘Technical Game’ precedent for what I’m trying to accomplish.

    I figure I will have to cultivate “Inner Game” first and foremost, anyway, but if there is anyone who has had similar experiences who wants to comment, I’d be willing to hear them out.

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  121. To cook domestically for the kids is one thing. But, I do not consider a trained head chef to be feminine or beta.

    The kitchen is HIS domain.

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  122. Game – women read recipes and follow orders. Are they known for inventiveness? Leadership? Risk taking?

    My most creative times seem tied to times of high testosterone. I suspect a connection.

    I’ll repeat, sustained passion for a craft is a masculine trait.

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  123. Ruby, you must be more aware of a difference between a country and a city gentleman. I’m not aware of what you refer to.

    Seems you are pointing to universal male qualities – sophistication and raw brash hard living.

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  124. Great piece. Too true.

    Glad to see Houellebecq mentioned. Ignore him to your peril.

    Roissy, dude, are you Jewish? Just asking.

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  125. thursday:
    I’m a shallow, mysogynist religious nut.

    I feel so ashamed.

    you’re one of the mildest commenters here. they better not read my shit stains post. jeez, skirts will be flying over heads.

    Roissy, dude, are you Jewish? Just asking.

    no.

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  126. http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/cas/1384941467.html

    Fat 30-year-old like a million other fat 30-year-olds wants to be taken on vacations in exchange for absolutely nothing.

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  127. Great post about using “pick up” techniques to enhance job interviews.

    http://theasianplayboy.blogspot.com/2009/09/job-interview-
    success-using-your-pick.html

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  128. If anyone is ever in doubt about the overblown sense of female entitlement in regards to the nature of the sexual power play, read Craiglist ads: typical Prince Charming fantasies while the woman enumerates NO positive qualities about herself.

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  129. This is delayed, but it just occurred to me: when you talk to a fat person over the phone, can you often detect fatness? I’m under the belief that I can, though I don’t know where it comes from. Can vocal chords become fat as well?

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  130. when you talk to a fat person over the phone, can you often detect fatness?

    i’ve wondered about this as well. my unscientific impression, from those few times when i heard the voice before learning of the fatitude, is that fat women’s voices don’t sound any different than sexy women’s voices, unless she’s so rotund she wheezes from exerting the minimal effort to breathe.

    now age is another matter entirely. i can usually tell a woman’s age within 5 years just by her voice. damn i’m good.

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  131. I think the difference in the “fat voice” is that fat women are often more crass for whatever immaterial reason. They’re also brash & loud, which is a good indication of size.

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  132. on September 25, 2009 at 2:44 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    brash & loud, which is a good indication of size.

    What? No.

    The first impression I get from “brash & loud” is 4’11” 105lb rhode island boricua chicks.

    Brash & loud is a much better indicator of low class (not necessarily socioeconomic, but highly correlated) than of large size.

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  133. Brash & loud is a much better indicator of low class (not necessarily socioeconomic, but highly correlated) than of large size.

    Well, obesity in North America is linked with low socioeconomic status. So, that may explain it.

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  134. mic check, boricuas on the set!

    you ain’t got no ends en mi casa

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  135. The Admiral,

    Roissy, dude, are you Jewish? Just asking.

    What do you mean you’re “just asking”?

    You said the following:
    “I crave bloodshed. I desire war. I want to see the blood of Marxists, Jews, negroes, Hispanics, and White traitors, flow in the streets.”

    You’re not “just asking” anything. You’re trying to determine whether or not you want to see Roissy’s blood “flow in the streets.”

    You’re a big boy, you’ve got balls. Take that dildo out of your ass. Don’t be a giant pussy and qualify that question with a faggy, limp-wristed “just asking.”

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  136. Cool blog, Thursday.

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  137. “when you talk to a fat person over the phone, can you often detect fatness?”

    Ask the gazillion guys who went broke with 1-900 calls before Al Gore invented the Internet…

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  138. Sofia

    http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/cas/1384941467.html

    Fat 30-year-old like a million other fat 30-year-olds wants to be taken on vacations in exchange for absolutely nothing.

    Lets review:

    BBW Wants to Travel – w4m – 30 (Toronto/Surrounding Areas)
    Date: 2009-09-21, 11:13AM EDT
    Reply To This Post

    Attractive BBW – blond, green eyes, short and chubby.

    Sounds like aoefe.

    Seeking male(s) or couple(s) who would like to travel this winter and are seeking a fun and friendly female to take away with you.

    Interesting that fatty wants to migrate away from Canada in the winter. The fat girls seem more suited for the colder weather. Much like a walrus they have a layer of insulating blubber.

    I love to travel and enjoying going to various places throughout the world. Would be interested in travelling with you and exploring new places together.

    Exploring new places? How ’bout your local gym.

    I am a very dedicated person,

    You will cling to the first man who manages to harpoon you.

    …who is honest and loves to have fun.

    Idea of fun = breakfast, snack, brunch, snack, lunch, snack, dinner, snack……………

    I love to swim,..

    So does Shamu

    love all water sports and sports in general.

    Yes, especially rolling.

    Love to explore new places and people. Love people of all races….

    Willing to date black guys, illegal aliens and members of Al-Qaeda sleeper cells.

    ….and would enjoy having fun with everyone and anyone.

    Please God somebody fuck me.

    I would expect all of my expensives to be covered as per our agreement.

    Couples are always welcomed.

    Any questions – just ask me.

    Are you on meds?

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  139. sometime ago I thought it was possible to discern the voice of blacks, but once I tried to test it empirically, I failed so hard that I abandoned the theory

    but the voice of gays is clearly discernible even if it is not obviously effeminate, just like the age of the women who speaks to you

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  140. You’re a big boy, you’ve got balls. Take that dildo out of your ass. Don’t be a giant pussy and qualify that question with a faggy, limp-wristed “just asking.”

    beautiful, Farrell.

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  141. “Italian men are also notorious for being unnaturally close to their mothers. It’s not uncommon for Italians to still live at home into their 20’s.”

    Umm. Only 8% of American kids move out at or before 18. It’s normal here to still be at home at least until ages 22-26.

    But yeah, Italian families are close. My BF is Italian and he, his brother, and his sister (and her family now) ‘moved out’ less than a 5-minute walk from their parent’s house!

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  142. “I’ve done it a couple of times when the girl didn’t want to walk around with blood dripping down her legs to get it herself.

    Chastised her to do a better job of planning ahead though.”

    That’s nice of you.

    If you’re the kind who randomly starts gushing blood – it’s pretty inexplicable for you to wait until you start to buy what you need, or expect someone else to do it for you at the time.

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  143. @willard – “sounds like aoefe”

    Still crushin huh? 😉

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  144. lilgrl

    The last time I went into a pharmacy to obtain feminine products, the boyfriend had no problem coming with me. And standing behind me while I was deciding, and running commentary

    this is like Annakin
    before they put on
    that helmet

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  145. lovelysexybeauty listed:

    1. I don’t and wouldn’t want my man to even KNOW very much about my special time of the month…

    2. it would feel strange to talk to a guy like he’s my girlfriend.

    3. I prefer to keep those female processes mysterious,

    4. cleaning and cooking, I don’t get the Western/American obsession with splitting up housework.

    5. I am embarassed to say this, but when I get married I don’t expect my husband to do housework except for manly chores, maybe fixing leaks

    TOP Five Reasons
    why foreign born girls
    are better than American ones

    see – Marry a foreign girl
    and all you have to do
    is plug holes

    chaputi: Don’t be “embarrassed” re #5. That’s just a symptom of the creeping American Bitch Syndrome as it begins its progression of setting in your bones. Still, it will get you pushed to the head of the line for all the Beta Brahmins with MDs.

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  146. Lovelysexy beauty said”

    I am embarassed to say this, but when I get married I don’t expect my husband to do housework except for manly chores, maybe (fixing leaks, etc.). If he just jumps in that’s fine. If I have a busy career or whatever, we can get maids that I’ll manage and supervise. As long as he is doing the male role, which is to earn money, direct our finances, direct our larger goals, protect us from bad guys, teach our sons sports, etc.

    At the risk of offending pretty much every friend that I have, may I just say that I concur in spades. Depsite a lot of the vitriol in Roissy’s posts, some things he says make sense. I feel the same way about housework. There is no need to “split it” as long as both partners make contributions. For instance. I can cook,but am no gourmet. IF my husband was better at cooking than I, why in the world would I not want him to cook- provided that occiasionally I shared the chore. No one like seeing a man do manly stuff ( aka, fixing, building, etc) and I am happy if he can, but frankly, him doing “womans work” or buying me tampons, I’ll pass.

    I wish we could go back to the “old days” in many respects, but without giving up so much of what many women have worked so hard to attain ( even though I do not always agree, I appreciate the struggles of those that came before me)

    Comes back to- no free lunch.

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  147. on September 25, 2009 at 11:48 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””PA
    Fun story… coming home from the gym this evening. Had a good workout with my formerly o m e g a friend “Mike.” I was driving and somebody cut me off like an idiot, so I naturally honked and moved over. So now, the dummy gets behind me, brights me, and follows me as I turn into a liquor store parking lot.
    ”””””””””””

    lol pa “someone” brights me as “I” turn into a liquer store parking lot. You where ready to have fun he he he

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  148. why foreign born girls
    are better than American ones

    Fortunately, once Obama debases the dollar, foreign girls will be outside the reach of American men unless they leave America and face the competition of foreign guys in foreign lands.

    And sorry to say that guys, but American men are pussies, they are the exactly and deserving counterpart of American women. Without the dollar and the green card and all the American status as the country with the biggest dick in the world, they will go the David Alexander way

    Let Roissy himself have to deal with a cop in Russia or Brazil and the reality of the pussified American male will set in. The world is tougher once you live in places where tax-evasion is discussed in nightclub lines and where NAMs are allowed to build slums next to where whites live

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  149. on September 25, 2009 at 12:08 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’I wish we could go back to the “old days” in many respects, but without giving up so much of what many women have worked so hard to attain ( even though I do not always agree, I appreciate the struggles of those that came before me)”””””””””

    In the old days woman where free in the new days they become slaves to their houses. Yea baby they have come a long way.

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  150. on September 25, 2009 at 12:09 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’Gig,
    NAMs are allowed to build slums next to where whites live””””””

    You are talking about the us gig.

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  151. on September 25, 2009 at 12:11 pm gunslingergregi

    It is in the foreign country where you can live in the slum and it don’t feel like a slum.

    Without the dollar and the green card

    Fuck a green card americans need reverse green cards to be free.

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  152. on September 25, 2009 at 12:13 pm gunslingergregi

    Only sad part is the whole world is becoming the way of the us. It is like the last night. When the question was asked are your laws to be the laws of the whole world. The king is like if a law is good and true then yes it does apply to the whole world. Well are laws are being applied everywhere and they are not good or pure or shit.

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  153. verteojos,

    I just wish couples wouldn’t be so influenced by external factors when it comes to marital-type relationships. People seem to focus on how things ‘should’ be and what they and their partner ‘should’ be doing that all reason falls by the wayside.

    An obsession with both parties in a relationship (gay or straight) having totally equal responsibility for every aspect of their life together can only lead to resentment and problems. Play to your fucking strengths, people, and realize that what is high-priority to you is not going to be high-priority to everyone else.. and you have no real power to change the other person.

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  154. I thought it would be pertinent to share a post from my own blog upon reading about “conventional wisdom.” I offered three simple precepts to fellow women when interacting with men

    Rule NUMBER ONE: Never expect. Perceive.

    #2 Make every effort to learn how to speak the language of a man before they learn how to speak yours. This takes observation.

    #3 Realize you are susceptible to “GAME” and men who have it will attract you–be careful who you play with.

    It’s not that I think these rules will really protect any of us completely from the web of our wily counterparts. (Especially considering that deep down we still WANT to be pursued!!!!! ARRRG!) I do believe however, we might avoid some of the heartache we don’t fully understand by learning about the nature of the men (or boys) we’re dealing with.

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  155. on September 25, 2009 at 12:51 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””LovelysexyBeauty,
    I am embarassed to say this, but when I get married I don’t expect my husband to do housework except for manly chores, maybe (fixing leaks, etc.).””’

    lol seriously though why would you be embarrassed to say that?

    Was the fixing leaks a subconcious way of saying buying pads he he he

    Don’t feel like you need to be mainstream according to media living. Why be embarrassed most people majority are all fucked up.

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  156. gig

    …foreign girls will be outside the reach of American men unless they leave America and face the competition of foreign guys in foreign lands

    sheesh.
    LovelysexyBeauty
    has completely triumphed
    over this trap
    by only liking wealthy Indian-Americans

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  157. on September 25, 2009 at 1:59 pm drunk explat who will rue his post in the morning.

    Lovelysexy beauty. Endearing sexual virgin teen.

    Lovelysex. Ooops! Her persona relies on Sex!!

    Lovely. Sex.

    lovelysex.

    Lovely, consider changing your name, as age appropriate.

    Try, lovely hymen.

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  158. on September 25, 2009 at 2:06 pm drunk explat who will rue his post in the morning.

    Bonnie. You post on a forum. With words. That can be read and re-read.

    Yet your understanding of the relationship between words is similar to the understanding of a ten year old between the relationship of her parents.

    It’s emotional.

    Logic does not enter into it.

    You look stupid. Because you are overly emotional, and pretending to use grownup language to describe your pre-bubescent understanding of your minuscule world.

    I know this comes across as ad-homimen, or insult to your character. That’s because insult to character is a valid argument against stupid people who have no fucking clue.

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  159. Sofia

    http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/cas/1384941467.html

    Fat 30-year-old like a million other fat 30-year-olds wants to be taken on vacations in exchange for absolutely nothing.

    see?
    don’t fret
    about the future

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  160. on September 25, 2009 at 6:47 pm dirtyharrycallahan

    How can you say exchange for nothing?

    “I am a very dedicated person, who is honest and loves to have fun. ”

    Too bad the craiglist killer is in jail.

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  161. for all the monochrome thinkers in this comment thread, allow me to set the record straight: by “pre-seal heidi klum” i was referring to the fact that seal scored klum past her beauty peak. race had nuttin to do wit it.

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  162. lurker
    Calling a woman crazy is the best way to stop her from being crazy.

    😆

    Sometime the jokes write themselves.

    Now how can a woman stop lurker from being crazy, inquiring minds want to know?

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  163. Re: La Chiffre
    ****
    Cogsys,

    “I’m all for the intellectual accuracy represented by HBD, but an alpha is an alpha, regardless of the averages of groups they belong to.”

    Sure. But it doesn’t make it any less bestial.
    ****

    Yeah, I can understand that point.

    I think you have to look at it from the long view, though. Next generation biotech can spread the biological advantages of the few to all of us. Gene therapy/reprogenetics will probably play a role. Various kinds of neurotechnology will be able change how we think about motivation, memory, and general cognitive ability.

    So if HBD is bestial, to me that just means we should work harder at increasing science funding, because that’s the only solution.

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  164. You spent quality time dissecting a fluff/filler article. Those are written by monkeys to do nothing more than take up space and generate ad income.

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