Review Of A Roosh Night Game Workshop

A Chateau rep has had an opportunity to observe Roosh run a night game workshop with a student.

The workshop was at a popular U St bar. Roosh was wearing an earpiece, listening and watching a student engage with three girls. I asked if he could hear the student with all the bar noise, and he said he could hear some of their conversation, but sending instructions through the incessant bar noise was more hit and miss. Surprisingly, most girls did not notice the ear piece wire dangling along the back of Roosh’s neck. Perhaps they mistook it for a 1980s-style rattail.

The crowd was wall to wall, girls everywhere. And while plenty of men were there, they didn’t pose much of a competitive nuisance. This was a perfect night game student’s field of battle. Roosh and I kept an eye on his student, noting his body language while Roosh jotted notes down in a small notepad. Occasionally, girls would walk by and ask him about the pad he was writing on, and he would dismiss them with a sarcastic non-sequitur, which of course made the girls more intrigued. As we agreed later, the notepad and pen make a fantastic game prop.

The student for his part was fairly competent at generating friendly rapport with the girls, but needed work on projecting more of an alpha vibe through his body stance, and remembering to touch the girls during his interactions. Roosh had supplied him with plenty of easily-delivered openers, (they weren’t cheesy like “who lies more”; you could see an average Joe saying these lines without wincing), and conversation-building discussion threads, which the student used liberally. I arrived later, so I didn’t see all the sets the student opened, but he approached at least four different women during the time I was there. None of the women blew him out; whatever he was opening with was clearly making an immediate positive impression.

Sometimes the student’s sets went very well, and he wouldn’t return to Roosh for twenty minutes. When he did return, Roosh would give him a quick rundown and some pointers for the next set. The student seemed pretty happy to be there.

A big positive is that there were no high pressure tactics. I liked that Roosh was not barking orders at the student to open set after set. The vibe was decidedly chill and relaxed. There was encouragement to be sure, but nothing so intense that it would make a social introvert burn out on his first night. In contrast, I once witnessed, by coincidence, a game instructor (it was obvious he was teaching a couple of guys) pushing his students to approach as many girls in a night as humanly possible to get over any lingering anxiety. Every time a girl would walk by, the instructor would say “Ok, go! Now!” I find that method counterproductive at best and creepy at worst. The pickup robot frantically racing from one girl to the next can’t help but feel a little “off”. As Roosh mentioned to me, most of his students are eager to learn and don’t need much prodding from him to approach. He simply points out to the students girls in the vicinity and gives them a suitable opening gambit to use, depending on the environment and what the girls may be doing at the time.

Roosh sent me an excerpt of a post-workshop Student Report for one of his Day Game students. I read it and was impressed by the level of detail. It’s no wonder some of the students think the report is the best part of the workshop . It was chock full of analysis and constructive criticism about the student’s approaches. Example:

No. 13
Venue: Whole Foods
Length: 15 seconds
Description: You asked a whole bunch of food questions instead of rambling about food. Pepper your conversation with regular questions about the opening topic. The approach shouldn’t only be question-asking.

[…]

You’re asking too many personal questions. Most of your approaches were interviews instead of conversations. Towards the end of the workshop you changed the content of the questions to things about books or foods, but it was still too many. Questions kill the energy of the interaction. You want something that flows instead of halts every ten seconds. In fact, you can do exercises at home where you talk about objects as long as you can. Remember when I talked about the socks at H&M for a couple minutes while asking only one or two questions? It’s better to give statements and observations then to ask (only tight ramble can save approaches, not questions). Plus the more questions you ask, the more she’ll think you’re hitting on her.

I suppose you’d have to have a thick skin to read about your flaws, but that’s a necessary step to success with women. The thin-skinned are not going to handle rejection from women very well if they can’t take helpful criticism from a man.

I also got to read some of the Day and Night Game Workshop Manual Version 2.0. It reads like a revved-up pocket guide to game. The lines and conversation builders are highly accessible to the average man. You can see yourself saying these things without feeling like a nerd or a clown.

Roosh is offering a special to Chateau readers who want to take his day and/or night game workshops. (Here is an update post on his workshops.) Email Roosh at the email address provided in his Day and Night Game post and say the Chateau sent you. Roosh will give you a $20 discount.

If you do end up taking the workshop (or any other workshop), let me know how it goes. Contact me through the email on the About page.





Comments


  1. I hope his workshops are better than his blog.

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  2. on October 15, 2010 at 1:01 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    I like Rooshv but the price is a bit too much for my taking. I’d pay 100 bucks, but that’s obviously not realistic.

    I liked his book a lot. Thought it was a solid read.

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  3. Not only is the atmosphere chill, but I bet that no one else at the bar can tell that the students are being taught right there. If anything, the students are just dudes talking to girls. So there shouldn’t be any anxiety about that.

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  4. on October 15, 2010 at 1:10 pm Stud Dynamite

    I’d pay to check out manuals, daygame especially, but not quite that bad (or too full of myself :)) to be that kind of guy, taking workshops… Wish that was an option.

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  5. on October 15, 2010 at 1:13 pm Stud Dynamite

    To clarify – with the exception of occasional bad mood night, when I don’t open anyone at all, I’m usually pretty shameless about chatting up girls and escalating. Alone, with friends, whatever. But could use some new material.

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  6. on October 15, 2010 at 1:18 pm Mr. Happy's Conscious

    Does he only do workshops in the DC area?

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  7. “I like Rooshv but the price is a bit too much for my taking. I’d pay 100 bucks, but that’s obviously not realistic.

    I liked his book a lot. Thought it was a solid read.”

    Roosh’s prices aren’t too bad – granted, they are not cheap – but when you consider what others charge out there for personalized workshops, they aren’t ridiculously priced.

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  8. I’d like to take this workshop (I have heard so many good things about Rooshs workshops that his is the only one I would consider taking) and probably will once I scrounge together de moneez.

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  9. “To clarify – with the exception of occasional bad mood night, when I don’t open anyone at all, I’m usually pretty shameless about chatting up girls and escalating. Alone, with friends, whatever. But could use some new material.”

    I think anyone could benefit from a workshop, no matter what the skill level.

    One big problem with improving is that you can’t see yourself doing the approaches.

    So, unless you do your approaches with a hidden camera, you can’t evaluate what went wrong later on.

    That is probably why the student like the post-game write-up. Someone else saw you and evaluated your game.

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  10. on October 15, 2010 at 1:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    If you don’t have 500 bones game is the least of your problems.

    Work until you walk around with 5 g’s in your pocket at least.

    It is a confidense boost.

    Unless you are still in school or some shit.

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  11. I was a TA during my brief stint in grad school and the department head had us all videotaped while giving a class. We then critiqued each others. The experience was invaluable. It woudl have been good to have something similar done for approaching girls.

    What Roosh charges for one-on-one day game (as shown on his blog) is not much at all, if it’s as good as reported above. Worth going for.

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  12. “As we agreed later, the notepad and pen make a fantastic game prop.”

    Absolutely. I remember in college when we’d have some research assignment that required interviewing people out in the field, it was a golden way to meet girls I wouldn’t normally meet. Both because I’d have an excuse to approach new girls, plus they’d often approach me after they’d see someone else getting interviewed.

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  13. Ditto on the notepad. My teens used to drag me to a local concert venue where four or five little-known bands play for no more than $5 or $10 at the door. They would be out on the floor and I, as pretty much the oldest guy there, would perch at the bar and take notes so I could write reviews for my blog. It was a blast; I heard a lot of unknowns there before they had any mainstream notice. And it was really, really surprising how many girls approached me and asked what I was doing with that notepad. Sadly, this was pre-Roissy so I had no idea how to game them.

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  14. on October 15, 2010 at 2:49 pm Vincent Ignatius

    One of the most useful things anyone can learn is how to take criticism. 95% of people go through life without ever learning how to take criticism; they just get defensive at any critical remark. It’s the other 5% that end up becoming successful.

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  15. Apropos of nothing here, but crazy shit is afoot at DC9.

    Someone got killed there last night and five staff members have been arrested for second degree murder.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/homicide/club-owner-employees-charged-i.html

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  16. Vincent,
    So true. It’s hard to do, but it’s the only way you can improve as a person.

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  17. Paging GBFM, ( http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/16/business/economy/16fed.html?_r=1&hp ).

    BOSTON — The Federal Reserve chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, appeared to remove any lingering doubt Friday that the central bank would take new actions to fortify the torpid recovery and fight low inflation and high unemployment.

    The impact of the Fed’s most likely course — resuming vast purchases of government debt to lower long-term interest rates — would ripple far beyond American shores. The new actions could contribute to the weakening of the dollar and complicate a festering currency dispute that threatens to disrupt global trade relations.

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  18. Agreed with Vincent. Criticism is so valuable (even though I’ll blow it off at the time or will be pissed at the person for pointing it out). But it’s fucking INVALUABLE.

    One guy told me I had a weird sneer on my face sometimes when listening to people talk about politics or whatever. It was true, shit. I looked like a condescending prick, though I wasn’t trying to be at all.

    A girl also told me I mutter too much. Mostly I’m clear and direct, but sometimes I’ll just mutter an inaudible sarky or semi-gibberish sentence and then refuse to repeat it. Fucking horrible. Once it was pointed out I made an effort to never do it again.

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  19. So thats what this once fine blog has degenerated to? Plugs for boot camps? There was a time back in 2009 that this blog had big time potential. Now its just hackery.

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  20. Gunslingergregi,

    “If you don’t have 500 bones game is the least of your problems.”

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Mr. Happy’s Conscious,

    “Does he only do workshops in the DC area?”

    I am sure if you fly Roosh out and put him up at The Ritz, he will don the earpiece wherever you hail from.

    – MPM

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  21. on October 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm Junior Gorilla

    So I’ve seen the beginning of the end of Roissy’s blog. A shill for a bootcamp you say? Roosh has some great openers to sell us, you say? Can’t wait for GBFM to weigh in about how it’s only fiat money we’d be spending anyway.

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  22. Gunslingergregi,

    “If you don’t have 500 bones game is the least of your problems.”

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    While I agree with both of you on this, I’m not sure CR does. He tends to downplay money. I cant remember a single “good life” post talking about financial security…BUT he does glorify biker guys and other apparant cads who appear to be dirt poor. Also his anger at Zuckerburg tends to support this.

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  23. Geez guys,. Just yesterday he wrote the best dissection of the Duke ppt I’ve seen anywhere. Tough crowd.

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  24. Guess I’ll be seeing tons of nerds with notepads in the bars now.

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  25. Madras,
    Personally the amount of money a man has doesn’t have a lot to do with how attractive I find him. I’m not saying this because I am so wonderfully non-materialistic, I like nice things, it just is true. I’ve always kind of liked the poor boys and so do a lot of other women. I don’t find Zuckerburg atttractive, but the cute landscaper cutting my neighbor’s lawn looks pretty good.

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  26. In end it is always about money.

    But yea don’t need to be a millionaire but you do need to set yourself up there is no reason not to.

    I’ll admit I fucked up myself I had it in my hand and threw it away.

    So yea now I got to fucking pick up the cross and drive on and I can’t just chill and fuck till I die.

    You can be a biker.

    With money.

    He downplays money because the majority of people are fucking average.

    Nobody wants to hear how to actually beat the game.

    People want to know how to lose.

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  27. “If you don’t have 500 bones game is the least of your problems.”

    It’s called Financial Freedom, not financial security. Don’t make money for women; Make it so you can do whatever you want.

    Rich guys gets girls and broke guys do too. What women want has no significance so never listen to them.

    Increase your value = increase your $$$.

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  28. Considering that you’ve been talking about your friend Roosh for years on this blog, I wouldn’t call this a “review” as much as a “write-up.”

    Just sayin.

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  29. KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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  30. Roosh’s workshop prices are pretty much in line with what most companies are charging for bootcamps, especially when you consider that most BCs include at least two night game components and at least one day game.

    I would personally prefer the a la carte pricing that Roosh offers, but only if I was living in the same city as the coach I was interested in working with.

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  31. “Roosh’s workshop prices are pretty much in line with what most companies are charging for bootcamps, especially when you consider that most BCs include at least two night game components and at least one day game.

    I would personally prefer the a la carte pricing that Roosh offers, but only if I was living in the same city as the coach I was interested in working with.”

    Yeah, never thought about the “a la carte” pricing aspect. When you take that into consideration, I guess Roosh’s prices aren’t too much cheaper.

    Still, the fact that he offers a la carte pricing makes it much more affordable since you only buy what you want.

    Fuck me if I am going to fork over $2,000+ for a weekend workshop.

    As for the “only DC” thing, this is a major drawback. The quality of the women in DC is subpar from everyone I have talked to.

    If he would do some workshops in NYC, Boston, Miami, etc. that would be awesome, but it would also probably drive up the price too much.

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  32. @LOL Man – you might find my blog post this morning kind of interesting.

    http://rakeinseattle.blogspot.com/2010/10/sinn-is-idiot.html

    Last night I listened to a teleseminar that Sinn offered. The content was good, but at the end he unveilled his new live training program and, uh, let’s just say the price point is at the high end of the spectrum.

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  33. In my time, I might have done this.

    It might have made some sets less embarrassing and might have cut my learning curve.

    Too bad.

    As for a game prop,

    Get a gig working for a local newspaper and get a camera and a press pass. You don’t even need to get paid.

    Good as gold.

    I know someone who does this. And he does it for game. The best thing – he doesn’t need to make shit up.

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  34. I’ll tell you a city that needs this badly.

    Miami.

    Damn, Miami. The women there are Hard Core.

    The men need much more game.

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  35. I don’t know if the hosts have opinions on the matter, but

    As for the “only DC” thing, this is a major drawback. The quality of the women in DC is subpar from everyone I have talked to.

    The girls in Bethesda and Clarendon (and even Baltimore) are worth a run to the burbs. The only thing is that they’re younger. If you’re into that sort of thing. In fact, I’ve noticed that instead of dressing like lumberjacks, they actually dress like they’re going out for a night on the town, as well being thin. Again, if you like that kind of thing.

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  36. “Damn, Miami. The women there are Hard Core.

    The men need much more game.”

    Hard core in what sense? Hard to game?

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  37. Miami:

    No, completely susceptible to game. But the game has to be delivered a lot harder.

    Tighter game, more asshole delivered with a slice of spicy Jerk.

    At least the Salsa world in Miami.

    And the guys have much more game than elsewhere. Again, at least at the salsa clubs.

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  38. Not related to post, but this is article material:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11493157
    Man shortage in Latvia

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  39. In every city you go to you have to tailor your game to fit the venue.

    When I moved from Chicago to South Carolina I hit a snag because the females have different values here.

    Down here there is a surplus of top notch White, and Asian and Black chicks but in Chicago, Spanish females were everywhere.

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  40. What happened to The Female Beauty Rankings

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  41. Mike Litoris

    Guess I’ll be seeing tons of nerds with notepads in the bars now.

    Unlikely. They prolly think notepad is an iPhone app.

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  42. You need an on-site game tutor? You’re incapable of learning from experience?

    Dude.

    Get your ass out there and EXPERIMENT. To succeed, your fragile little ego needs some callouses. Callouses will make you able to behave more like a witty, uncaring asshole.

    DO IT. Don’t wait for Roosh. Learn a little bit, practice a lot, and learn from your mistakes.

    How are you going to learn how to learn from experience if you don’t actually try to learn from experience?

    You have to internalize game. To internalize it, you have to feel the sting of experience. That sting is more helpful than a tutor. All you really need is courage, a few moves, and the willingness to reflect and adapt. You already have blogs galore like this for tips and field studies.

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  43. @Feh: Well, it depends on what you like. You surely improve more quickly if you learn with Roosh. But of course you must be willing to invest the money. So you got more money or more time?

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  44. ReaderLon

    Good for jezebel.

    “‘Yale Fraternity Apologizes For Chanting ‘I F—- Dead Women.'” What? Is this The Onion? The Yale Women’s Center is apparently planning a campus-wide discussion today”

    Speaks volumes. Frat boys parade around like careless assholes and mouth off, and the Yale Women’s Center wants to convene an Intellectual Bitchfest and propose punitive measures.

    Where’s the march by Sorority Chicks about “I F— Dead Guys”, with the Fratters carried around in naked effigy?

    That at least would be a sign of health.

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  45. @ReaderLon

    More quickly, or more permanently? Experience is acid. Pretty lies die fastest when you dunk them in it. There is so much already online, it’s like kicking open a treasure chest. The main thing is to develop these callouses. You have to develop them, even *like* developing them. Dealing with a shit test is 90% emotional: if the shit hits you and falls off, you’re then in a position to create a suitable reply. If the shit sticks to you and you wig out, you’re toast. The problem is not “knowing” what to do, i.e. propositional content, but knowing how to deal with a situation, i.e. experience.

    A lot of game content can be condensed into a handy list, like a grammar. The other 99.9% of it has to come from usage.

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  46. I go with Feh.

    Use it or forget it.

    Get out there. There’s more than enough online, and you’re going to make mistakes all the time anyway. Getting pointers is great, but there’s nothing like experience.

    Actually, the mistakes are often the biggest thing.

    You want to test yourself?

    Try the AO and not get drinks thrown at you.

    I did it exactly one night. I thought for sure I was going to be hung, drawn and quartered, but with a shot of gin and some borrowed testicle juice from the courage fairy, off I went.

    You can go to every seminar in existence, but if you don’t use it, it’s useless.

    Remember, half the time you win just because you came out.

    No time like the present.

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  47. Da.

    The time for penistroika is now. Ms. Bare-Lin, tear down this wall!

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  48. There is a show on HGTV called Yard Crashers. I’m not that into technology, so hower you find it, watch episode 30.

    In the first 4 minutes you will witness the badass pickup of a hottie with big tits. Watch how he handles rejection and jokes about it, his situational opener, how he stays cool when she gets bold, etc. And most importantly, you’ll see not a single shit test. Bitch was under his spell.

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  49. I’d say that guys without game need, above everything, friends with game. it those workshops are useful, it is only because you get to know guys with game

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  50. Agreed with Feh. Couple of years ago I regularly went out “sarging” with a friend, and we were both apprehensive about approaching. We lived in a pretty small town, and so the costs of getting blown out were higher. Everyone knew everyone (sort of).

    So, finally I said, right, fuck this shit – we have to get blown out 3 times a night, no excuses. Approach, get blown out. Repeat. Repeat.

    This was to get over the hurdle of approaching. And it worked wonders.

    In more anonymous, larger cities it’s infinitely easier to approach.

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  51. Just get the girl drunk. Booze unlocks a girl’s inner whore.

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  52. It might be interesting to do a workshop once- i’ve considered the idea. just to get a good outside view of what I do right and what I do wrong. i met savoy once in LA a number of years ago- i liked him but those workshops are too expensive. day game would be far more interesting to me.

    and I don’t fault roissy for shilling for his buddy’s workshops. it’s a legit topic for this blog, esp. the value of personalized constructive criticism.

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  53. intp

    Just get the girl drunk. Booze unlocks a girl’s inner whore.

    pt-141 or ghb are stronger female aphrodisiacs.

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  54. on October 16, 2010 at 5:06 am Gunslingergrergi

    No wonder its the end of the world.

    Gorb did the apocalypse.

    ””””Try the AO and not get drinks thrown at you.

    I did it exactly one night. I thought for sure I was going to be hung, drawn and quartered, but with a shot of gin and some borrowed testicle juice from the courage fairy, off I went.
    ”””

    lol

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  55. @SadB

    I say get thee to Latvia young man! I married a Ukrainian woman and I have a fabulous marriage. I get more sex than I can handle and my wife is really sweet and loving too. She’s also a 9. Latvian women are similar. If you’re going to spend $500 for a seminar to meet and screw immature, self entitled, female idiots, then spend a little more and meet some women who are worth having and keeping. You haven’t lived until you’ve been to an Eastern European city and seen virtually every women between 15 and 40 is a 7.5 or better. Moreover, they have a shortage of men and a higher tolerance of men who can think logically and have the traits of good husbands and providers. Game is necessary, but only a little. Dating in Europe in general is simply more straight forward and uncomplicated. I find American women to be generally annoying and boorish.

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  56. Roosh’s book was excellent. And it looks like good value- the opener manual is a good bonus.

    That said, a man doesn’t need a workshop, he needs to experience chatting up as many women as possible, and to overcome the fear of rejection by being shot down as many times as possible

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  57. And this blog has not dropped in quality, not in the past two years.

    A one off ad is not shilling, and Chareau dispenses his wisdom for free

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  58. a lot of guys hear talk big game. Its one thing to talk like your a big player on the internet its another to actually BE the big player.

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  59. on October 16, 2010 at 12:34 pm The Rational Male

    I don’t have problems getting laid, but I would love to sit in on a session with one of the hardcore PUA’s just to see it in action.

    Any guru’s want to do a tradeout? I have a pretty impressive business portfolio (mainly concept creation/branding/marketing) and I would consider trading consulting sessions.

    Just a thought….

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  60. Your blog needs a make over. Especially the links up top.

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  61. I think Groundhog Day is the best game movie. Dude gets blown out a shitload of times.

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  62. “a lot of guys hear talk big game. Its one thing to talk like your a big player on the internet its another to actually BE the big player.”

    LOL! Exactly.

    If you don’t believe in workshops, fine. But pretending like all you need to become a big time player is to read a few online blogs and go out and approach is laughable.

    I have never taken a workshop, but I can definitely see the value in having someone evaluate your game.

    Most guys who try the DIY approach to game get burned out and give up because they never improve. They go with the same direct approach every guy uses (ex. “Hey, ladies, it looks like the party is over here.”) and get blown out until they get fed up. Or they apply the tired old Mystery Method shit they every girl has heard a million times (ex. “Who lies more, guys or girls?”) , and get laughed out of the bar/club.

    So, save the bs for the funny pages…players (LOL!!!!!!!!).

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  63. LOL Man,

    Funny that you think there are only 2 options.

    1. Observe
    2. Perceive and process situational modalities
    3. Make up some shit, apropos, as the line

    Myriad of options. Requirement: 2 brain cells. working.

    The main thing is to overcome anxiety. As long as one does have the proper “I don’t give a fucking damn” mindset internalized, the rest is easy. Making tons of approaches gets the anxiety problem blasted.

    Thus spake Morsellaux.

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  64. Lolman,

    What’s foolish is to believe that taking workshops, no matter how good, will spare you having to walk the lonesome road of approaching and being shot down many, many times. Rejection is an intrinsic part of the process.

    It’s good to have a second opinion, but no matter what you

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  65. That said, if You have to get a workshop, then Roosh would be a great choice, if his books are anything to go by. Bang is up there with the mystery method, and much better written

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  66. neparlepas
    @psycho

    I don’t see an episode 30.

    Here you go. It’s season 3, episode 3:

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  67. It’s good to have a second opinion, but no matter what you

    Cap’n Bob’s impromptu application of a mystery method. 🙂

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  68. Morsellaux

    “It’s good to have a second opinion, but no matter what you

    Cap’n Bob’s impromptu application of a mystery method. :-)”

    Trouble with posting on a small screen!

    Anyway, to complete:

    It’s good to have a second opinion, but no matter what you do, you’re going to have to make a ton of most fruitless approaches before you reach competence in your game. That’s hardly bullshit.

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  69. I just finished Roissy’s dating market value test for men and guess what? I scored a -19!!!! I actively repulse women! That fills me with great pride and happiness! I hate women and they all hate me. I am proud to be the object of female hatred! Do you know, that every female I have had the misfortune of encountering has always repeated that nauseating mantra, from the boot-lipped negress to the mestiza to the Anglo-Saxoness, that no woman in her right mind would ever go out with me? I guess homosexual pederasty does have it’s sweet charms, doesn’t it?

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  70. I donno man, but look at these delightful couples’ matching Halloween outfits!!

    http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/staticslideshowtkt.aspx?cp-documentid=25659525

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  71. ” As we agreed later, the notepad and pen make a fantastic game prop.”

    I agree with that.

    Bringing a book to a local pub during the work week (not on weekends or very busy nights) works like a charm for me.
    Girls approach me to ask me what I am reading and to comment that I look deep in thought (I am because these are technical books) on the patio outside. Women are like cats in the sense that if you ignore them or appear to be doing something interesting they will approach you.

    I did this 2 nights in a row a week ago and both times attractive women approached me and we struck up a conversation even though I was smoking a cig and both of them hated smokers. I have a date with one of those women tonight.

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  72. I find the whole concept of paying for advice odd. There’s so much free stuff on the ‘net, if you can’t take it and coach yourself then.. you’re already starting from a tremendous disadvantage–an inability to see the effect you’re having on others.

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  73. Rarfy, in general, I agree. However, coaching is not an advice in a strict sense, rather a bundle of advices with a purpose to pinpoint and correct errant patterns, because it is sometimes hard to see oneself how perceived by someone else, in the contexts that you’d miss because of your narrowed perspective as a player.

    You might use a sports team as an analogy. The players know what to do and know the rules, but the coach formulates a strategy and gauges how the strategy is implemented during the game and what errors the players made in the larger team’s context.

    You would not say that you consider paying the coach odd, now, would you?

    Didn’t think so.

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  74. on October 17, 2010 at 6:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I am about to come back and have to implement the move into a womans house and have her cook and clean up my shit and provide entertainment so I can save money game again.

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  75. Rarfy, it can be really difficult to break lifelong habits. I think I was hanging around here over a year before I realized how much of a bitch I was, and how I was actually repelling the kind of guys I preferred and needed.

    Once I realized what was wrong with me, I became very willing to pay for a makeup course, dance classes, and a recumbent cycle. I lucked out in having a friend who was willing to coach me in feminine wiles. A guy paying for game coaching is doing essentially the same.

    You can read as much as you like, but it’s different from getting feedback from a real expert. My real life instructors are successful older women who are still able to pull even in their fifties and sixties. Without them, I’d still be kinda lost because even in the vast reaches of the internet, most of the English and even Hebrew speaking world is either totally clueless or becoming so.

    Again, I often think you guys don’t know how unique you are. Even though I don’t always agree with everybody, I have to give nietzschean props. At least most of you have some shadow of a will of your own.

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  76. on October 17, 2010 at 7:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe I will try the I am not offering anything but dick and I need a woman who has her shit together game. I need a bitch to pay all my shit so I don’t waste money game.

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  77. on October 17, 2010 at 7:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh shit lol Speak of the devil.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101017/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_integration

    BERLIN – Chancellor Angela Merkel’s declaration that Germany’s attempts to build a multicultural society had “utterly failed” is feeding a growing debate over how to deal with the millions of foreigners who call the country home.

    “This multicultural approach, saying that we simply live side by side and live happily with each other has failed. Utterly failed,” Merkel said.

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  78. The subconscious mind can’t tell the difference between reality and a virtual simulation thereof. If someone developed a web-based girl gaming AI simulator, where you could approach “virtual girls” a million times until your fear of social rejection is extinguished, a high demand might grow for the service. I believe Roissy has already worked out the rules of successfully gaming girls. Now it just needs to be structured linguistically and programmed. The first version could be text exchange with a “girl”. Most interaction is just internal dialogue anyways. Body language is an external manisfestation of subconscious dialogue. If someone could train on and master (through a large number of experiences) text based interaction then they will retrain their subconscious. The system will be mature when it can pass the Turing Test.

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  79. @ReaderLon

    Interesting article. Gays and menopausal women using surrogates and in-vitro is asexual reproduction.

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  80. Just went to a night club for the first time in 6 months on Saturday. I was amazed at how well the concepts I’d picked up on this blog and Roosh’s newsletters worked for me…indirectly.

    I say “indirectly” because these PUA sites assume a relatively friendly American bar scene environment where women will actually measure a guy up and give him a chance. The Euro Trash scene is a lot harsher environment. There, a common Shiite test is for a 9 or 10 to turn her back on a man within 10 seconds after he opens, no matter how well he opens and how good he looks. If he tries to reopen, she’ll follow her friends who instinctively start migrating elsewhere if a man gets the idea he can talk to any one of them.

    There is a way to deal with Euro Trash scenes, but its not often directly discussed on these forums.

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  81. I walked into a club with about 200 8s, 9s and 10s. There were a few 7s but no women below a 7 in the place. There were about 10 tall male competitors. Despite the horrible odds for the women, bitch shields were up and on full force. Being American means nothing anymore in an East European night club. Rationality doesn’t exist in Euro Trash environments.

    But this time around I was armed with a modified form of Caveman Game – no, not the idea that I would drag a woman onto the dance floor, grind with her and then drag her out to the parking lot. This was the idea, in my head, that this was like a prehistoric cave that I was the leader of and I should expect the woman I chose to behave in the manner I expected. I psyched myself up, not out, which is what most guys, including myself, usually end up doing in a loud rock and roll environment.

    After about 30 minutes, I decided to do my first and only open on one a 10 that I’d decided was the best looking of the entire 200…a 19 year old version of Mariah Carey.

    She turned her back on me within 5 seconds after opening.

    I then did the unthinkable (according to this blog). I hovered (but it was so crowded that it would have been beta to have high-tailed it out of there so fast).

    I reopened. After 10 seconds she just walked away (her friends had starting walking after 5 seconds).

    Here’s the thing: the leader of a cave would not allow any cavewoman to just walk away like that.

    Modern feminists (and those who accommodate them) would say “leave it at that”.

    Modern feminists would say that, to follow her and chastise her for the rude behavior would be “harassment.”

    In any case, feminists and those overly influenced by their propaganda would say that I would only be digging my grave with the woman and anyone watching if I followed her and confronted her on the rude behavior.

    They would all be grievously wrong to make such a prediction (continued)…

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  82. “Just went to a night club for the first time in 6 months on Saturday. I was amazed at how well the concepts I’d picked up on this blog and Roosh’s newsletters worked for me…indirectly.

    I say “indirectly” because these PUA sites assume a relatively friendly American bar scene environment where women will actually measure a guy up and give him a chance. The Euro Trash scene is a lot harsher environment. There, a common Shiite test is for a 9 or 10 to turn her back on a man within 10 seconds after he opens, no matter how well he opens and how good he looks. If he tries to reopen, she’ll follow her friends who instinctively start migrating elsewhere if a man gets the idea he can talk to any one of them.

    There is a way to deal with Euro Trash scenes, but its not often directly discussed on these forums.”

    Well, enlighten us on the way to deal with this.

    I have encountered this situation you describe in the USA, specifically in LA night clubs. I think it happens wherever pretensions are high.

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  83. Jerry, I can only refer to times 35 years ago, but doubt things changed that much. I rarely used night clubs for pickups, because of the femme games involved and other factors–noise and lightning that were in the way of discerning nuances, and the chick were somewhat not my type. Cafes (at top hotels) or cafes where students converged were much more rewarding. Seated female with a half consumed drink in front of her is a much easier target (static!), even with a wing present. 🙂

    I usually worked on the wing first and just waited for the time when the mark would fall into the trap. And given that the students had an implied notion about their intelligence level, they were always easier to game and were more appreciative of chick crack that I supplied on demand.

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  84. The original open had been “Do you speak English” and the answer was “No” with the back turn. The second attempt had been “I actually speak your language very well but just wanted a way to start a conversation”. This was followed by her walking away.

    When I caught up with her in a different part of the club, her eyebrows went up and her body language changed for the better. Far from being ready to scream for a bouncer, she wanted to hear what a guy brave enough to follow her like that would say. When I got to her and she stood squarely in front of me to hear what I had to say, I negged her by saying “Listen, I realize that you and I have zero in common but because you’re great looking I was wondering if $200 would change your attitude and you’d just come home with me now”. She said no, but she was all ears as I said “What shocks me is that you didn’t even bother to ask where I was from, what I did for a living nor even that I’m 6’2″ and good looking. You think I’m ugly?”

    She quickly gave the standard answer “A man’s looks and money are not important to me”.

    I quickly replied “But you seem to have a complex about punishing a man who has any kind of advantages…and your anti-Americanism is plainly obscene. Why do you feel the need to tell people from the USA to go to Hell”?

    The look in her eyes and inability to answer that told me that she realized that this was irrational.

    What I was doing was forcing DHVs without the option of being subtle. I then moved into negging without the option of being “playful”.

    She said “Do you think I was being rude to you before?” I answered “Yes, and it was so rude that I assumed you’d been raised by uneducated parents and that you had an IQ of about 70”. I smiled here because the ice was starting to melt.

    She started qualifying herself to me with “Oh no, I am a university student and my father is a banker”.

    Then she asked “Why me? Why did you want me of all the women in this club?”. I answered with brutal honesty “Because I looked at absolutely every woman in the club and decided that you were the most genetically superior, being the tallest and having the best figure. I had to meet you at all costs and if it didn’t work with you, I would go home and not try to meet anyone else. I’m glad you’re talking with me now”.

    At this point she was my date for the evening. The line about being unwilling to settle for anyone else had been the deciding factor.

    When we moved out by the dance floor, I could see the 9s hovering around the other 10s pointing me out to their queen bee 10 and their queen bee checking me out (but quickly looking away when our eyes met).

    Bitch shields dropped and it seemed like the ice cave was warming up. My adaptation of Caveman Game had worked.

    I decided to quit while ahead (I said “this noise is too loud”) and we made a date for Monday evening (tonight) at a nice restaurant. Texts yesterday confirmed things are on.

    The moral of the story is:

    1) Go for the best looking woman in the club even if she’s way above your station

    2) If she turns her back on you or walks away, you have everything to gain by confronting her with her rudeness while confidently listing all the good traits that she ignored.

    Women respond well to extreme (and I mean over-the-top) confidence. Act like you own the joint.

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  85. Jerry,

    That strategy sounds like it could easily blow up in your face.

    If your story is true, then at least you have brass balls.

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  86. Feminists would think I just described how to be an asshole, but if there’s anything this blog teaches is to behave the opposite of a “nice guy.”

    Nice guys finish last, but feminism is all about trying to train men to be just that.

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  87. Yamm

    That strategy sounds like it could easily blow up in your face.

    That’s a silly notion. What would she do, would she hurt him? Sheesh!
    You can only say that if NO would mess with your self-respect.

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  88. @Yamm

    I used it a few times in my life before I learned what game was. It had 50:50 results back then. Knowing what this blog says made things go easier this time. For instance, I’ve really internalized that women love assholes so I no longer have any fear of being one. 😉

    There’s actually very little downside in that “blowing up in the face” would have just meant her being rude a third time, in which case I would have just looked for another woman. Bouncers do not get called under such a situation…unless maybe in a very paranoid and feminized subculture.

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  89. “That’s a silly notion. What would she do, would she hurt him? Sheesh!
    You can only say that if NO would mess with your self-respect.”

    Uhh, she could call a bouncer. Bouncers at clubs are always willing to play Capt. Save-a-ho.

    So, STFU.

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  90. Yamm, seriously, unless you are doing serious mischief, bouncer would not care that some bitch is being talked to.

    In any case, rule No.1, bouncers are buddies (you make sure beforehand).

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  91. Continuing on this topic, Jerry, didn’t you say – at least I think it was you, unless there is another Jerry – that you should risk getting kicked out of a club in order to continue to game a 10?

    Your “creeper” strategy might work wonders for you, but I think it is going to be a wash for most others who try it.

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  92. @Yamm

    The short answer is yes.

    In general, if a man isn’t ready to risk being shot by a jealous boyfriend or face white knighter bouncers on a chivalry kick, he isn’t living his life right.

    This strategy of dealing with super high bitch shields would work well for most men and feminists would declare a new war on men if more guys started to refuse to accept rude behavior.

    1) Women really do go to clubs to meet men. They lie like hell when they say they just go to have fun with each other.

    2) Women aren’t normally rude to men because they’ve evaluated them. Its almost always a shit test. By turning her back on a guy within 10 seconds of his opening, a woman is saying “You are probably not worth meeting because you are a male in a club”. If he walks away he is accepting her presumption. I’ve found that, half the time at least, the woman would be happy to learn from a man why that presumption was inaccurate.

    The other half of the time…well, we’re not talking about the man doing anything violent or trying a 4th or 5th time.

    Morsellaux is correct that a smart guy makes friends with (or earns the respect of) the bouncers and staff at a joint beforehand. This is mostly because they can provide “pre-selection” kudos when you know their name and greet them (you might give a bartender your business card and tell him there’s $50 for him if he sets you up with your type – allowing you to virtually be at the club when you’re really at home asleep).

    I’ve never seen any guy get thrown out of anywhere for dressing down a bitch, regardless of whether that just further turns the woman off.

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  93. Yes, and it was so rude that I assumed you’d been raised by uneducated parents and that you had an IQ of about 70

    JERRYS BRILLIANT NUCLEAR NEGS STRIKE AGAIN!!!!!!1111ONE1

    Because I looked at absolutely every woman in the club and decided that you were the most genetically superior, being the tallest and having the best figure. I had to meet you at all costs and if it didn’t work with you, I would go home and not try to meet anyone else. I’m glad you’re talking with me now

    OH GOD YES TAKE ME NOW JERRY!!!!!!1111ONE1 WHENEVER A GUY TELLS ME IM “THE MOST GENETICALLY SUPERIOR, BEING THE TALLEST AND HAVING THE BEST FIGURE” I JUMP RIGHT INTO HIS ARM$

    Listen, I realize that you and I have zero in common but because you’re great looking I was wondering if $200 would change your attitude and you’d just come home with me now

    WELL SHES OBVIOUSLY RETARDED (IQ<70). A SMART GIRL WOULDVE TAKEN YOUR $$$ AND CALLED THE BOUNCER OVER…

    "UH, THIS GUY KEEPS BOTHERING ME (RAPE RAPE RAPE)"

    +$200
    -1 PATHETIC LOSER

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111ONE1111

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  94. Jerry, how many minutes do you think you would last over there if the money ran out?
    Hypothetical.

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  95. I tend to really upset the feminist lurker who keeps changing her name (she was @Artichoke last week).

    Another maxim: Whatever behavior upsets feminists the most, works. This especially includes whatever they scorn the most.

    When a woman asks a man why he chose her in a loud and crowded bar, there’s no use not admitting the attraction was entirely physical. In fact, he can’t imply he was just being opportunistic and hitting on the nearest woman to him.

    Not only was the $ offer meant mainly as a neg (“were you rude to me because you’re a whore?’) but no man would ever give money up front for any service….ever.

    Even Audrey’s joke last week that she’d take $10 for lifting up her shirt and then renege on the deal…wasn’t realistic because no man capable of asking a normal woman to lift her shirt would be so incapable as to provide the cash upfront. 😉

    That said, I heard there was another American at that club last week who spent $100 buying drinks for two friends of mine who didn’t give him their phone numbers at the end. That type of behavior (his) deserves jail time.

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  96. @Oh brother AKA @Artichoke @Esteri @Calpiglia

    You keep changing your name to fulfill your agenda.

    No money was involved in the above incident.

    However, the date tonight will be at a nice restaurant.

    That must really get under your feminist skin.

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  97. Nice one, Jerry.

    I wouldn’t have asked “Why do you feel the need to tell people from the USA to go to Hell?”

    In a loud club, political talk is usually a no-win because it puts a muddy boot on the hindbrain. Leaving her at “obscene” would’ve put the 10 in the same defensive position without giving her the option of driving you into a ditch.

    I admire how you appealed to her competitive side. What your story shows is that most girls, even in big cities, have small-town girl psyches — i.e., with an eligible guy in the room they will be absolute bitches to each other, even if only in their minds. Divide and conquer accordingly.

    Every red-blooded American man should make it a prioity to put feminist harridans in time out. Pump and dump them. Ask them to pay, praise their ‘independence’, and then leave them with nothing. Do nothing to prevent their entrance to spinsterhood/extinction. And then get on with your own happy business of building stuff, populating the world, and having fun.

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  98. It’s always good to know who is legit and who isn’t.

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  99. @Feh

    This one just had a blind fear of foreigners and I said that to specify that I was at least American. America is the most respected foreign country in these parts, but that still might not help with someone who fears foreigners in general.

    Unfortunately, most of the women in East European night clubs aren’t smart enough to understand politics. They definitely don’t side with the Marxist left but that’s mainly because they (the night club dweller types) don’t understand what that is (that has its advantages). There’s a reason why six months can go by without me hitting this scene. There are places to meet more intelligent women. But, damn, the women in this night scene can be good looking for the year or two in their lives when they peacock themselves in such places.

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  100. Great. More power to you, Jerry!

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  101. That sounds cool. It would be interesting to do club game because I think that’s the toughest venue in town and therefore you need to have your shit in total order. Never done it though.. I’m 5’8 and skinny.. little guys have a major disadvantage in clubs. A major disadvantage anyway but especially in clubs.

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  102. Rarfy, then clubs aren’t your turf. You can’t compete physically with big dogs.

    So what, though? Experiment with your own areas of strength. I’m just shy of six foot. I’ve had plenty of approaches from women by reading a small weird book and sitting at the busy corner of the bar. Crumpled sheet music, ditto. A small flat leather box (believe it or not) containing foreign coins which I was going to deliver to a friend. All shameful props, but they made it easy for 8-10’s to do something other than stand there. I didn’t do well with them with brainless hotties, but stupid conversation and the profanity crutch are boner killers anyway. I’ve never met a 10 but have felt mild contempt for plenty of 9’s who were coarse and vapid.

    Women have to make some kind of mental effort to be worth my attention, and I think we would do well to exert that same standard. They should look like they enjoy being female, too, and be capable of maintaining double entendre in conversation. All these things indicate vitality, adventurousness, curiosity, playfulness, and what old timers called joie de vivre. All correlate pretty well with being good in bed.

    So Rarfy, ignore the 9-10s who are out for big game only. You can do quite well with 7-8’s, and often much better. Of course, the 9-10’s who have all the above qualities and more are worth competing for. But even then, they’re just girls and essential only for a few things in life.

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  103. Thanks for the tips, I can bang 6s no problem, it’s the 7s and aboves that are difficult. Between 6 & 7 is kind of the hard dividing line for me. 6s swarm to me like bees and just one step up to 7 is sooo difficult. Very odd. It’s not an even progression, it’s a quantum leap between 6 and 7.

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  104. is Roosh paying you for this free advertising?

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  105. he just has to write 30 more columns
    then – he’s outta here!

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