Comment Of The Week: Getting To The Id Of It

Dat_Truth_Hurts, this week’s COTW winner, illuminates,

Compare and contrast:

Women, would you rather date Paul Walker (pre-dead, of course) or a waiter that looked exactly like Paul Walker?

Men, would you rather date Scarlett Johanssen, or a waitress that looked exactly like Scarlett Johanssen?

The question is rhetorical, of course, in the socratic style of CH compare and contrasts of past. Most women would prefer to date rich celebrity Paul Walker. He wins in a cakewalk over waiter Paul Walker.

Most men would prefer to date waitress Scarlett Johanssen, because men primarily care about a woman’s looks, and Scarlett will look like Scarlett no matter how she pays her bills. If anything, a woman with high status introduces a negative force into a relationship, because her hypergamous instinct will be attuned for men higher status than herself. Men who are interested in dating Scarlett long term will be put off by the risks that come with her celebrity.

The choice for men is a bit more complicated, however. There is a nontrivial minority of men who would date celebrity Scarlett, if it were possible, not just for the great sex but for the bragging rights to their buddies. These men are likely to be the ones less interested in pursuing a deep, meaningful love bond with Scarlett.

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Runner-up COTW winner is Sigma Male, who provides a helpful taxonomy of equalists.

Kingdom: Cathedral

Phylum: Anti-Naturalist

Class: Ethnomasochist

Order: Donkey

Family: Winged Servant

Genus: Leftoid

Species: SWPL

Sub-species: That atheist cunt who got stared at by a trembling nerd in an elevator and broadcast her near-death experience to the internerd backscratching community.

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Runner-up #2 COTW winner is Greg Eliot, channeling a Pith Lord.

We live in awkward times… too late to vote and too early to start shooting.

Poolside never looked better.

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COTW consolation prize goes to Fred C. Dobbs, with a brisk reminder for Asia supremacists:

So freedom, individual rights,equal opportunity, limited government and self reliance are obsolete? And thus Western society is about to yield to the Asian tigers? Huh? Our recent decline has come about due to our deviation from these founding principals, Not because Of them. Billions of Chinese would still be walking around in their identical little gray Mao work clothes had China not adopted Western values. Or worse, slaughtering their own by the tens of millions –ie see Great Leap Forward, where between 1962 -1958 a total of 45 million Chinese died due to Mao’s policy of forced resettlement and collectivization. Yup! I’d be proud of Chinese civilization too! Chinese will never realize their full potential, and will never be fully human until they are free to act and express their thoughts, ideas and creativity.

That last line is a nice sentiment, but here’s a question to ponder: what if the Chinese don’t want to be free to act and express their thoughts? As über-agriculturalists, they may have evolved to step right in the lemming line.





Comments


  1. on December 7, 2013 at 2:47 pm Steve Johnson

    That comment by Fred Dobbs is pretty stupid.

    Marxism is Chinese in origin?

    The State Department didn’t do all they could (successfully!) to hand the country to Mao and the communists?

    Communism nearly wiped out the Plymouth colony. From wiki:

    He [Squanto] is commonly thought to have taught the colonists how to catch the menhaden necessary to fertilize maize in the native fashion along with the methods by which they could catch fish and other local wildlife for food. In reality, the colonists starved to death because they attempted to farm and live “in common” (ie, communally). When Governor William Bradford delineated individual plots for each family in 1623, there was a bountiful harvest, as documented in his journal Of Plymouth Plantation.

    China got a giant dose of American founding principles and it killed a few dozen million of them.

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    • Asians are extremely Collectivist naturally, far more collective than any Western society.

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    • That comment by Fred Dobbs is pretty stupid.

      Marxism is Chinese in origin?

      The State Department didn’t do all they could (successfully!) to hand the country to Mao and the communists?

      Well, the Russkies eventually rejected communism, but the Chinese, North Koreans, and Vietnamese (plus the mixed-race Cubans) still seem perfectly content with it. Yeah, I know, not all of them… but the bulk of them are. And that’s what matters.

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      • Chinese don’t have anything resembling “Communism” and were never content with it. The economic explosion following Deng Xiaoping’s reforms prove that

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      • Yes, they are indeed commie. They just mixed in some capitalism with it.

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      • If the PRC today is “Communist” then Communism has no meaning at all.

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      • The PRC continues to place the state at the center of everybody’s lives, enforces atheism, and has the state dictate factors of production.

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      • I nominate this for Worst Comment of the Week. Such delusion is hard to achieve.

        What does S stand for? Stupid?

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      • Wow, what a rebuttal!

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 8:56 am haunted trilobite

        So it’s S for sarcasm (sorry,couldn’t help going for the low-hanging fruit)

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      • What the Chinese really have is their traditional form of government with some minor changes. Essentially they had an emperor and the imperial bureaucracy, which was of very high quality and extremely competitive, at least for the first 1000 years or so. So China developed good government early. Their Buddhist religion and Confucianism combined to create their governmental values and they have remained largely intact. Good government has always been of critical importance to them culturally, albeit with deviations from that for what was perceived as the greater good or due to social upheaval. China treats its people now pretty much as they were treated throughout history. Remember, China is 5000 years old and was by far the most advanced nation on the planet for most of that time. The Chinese have replaced the Imperial government with one run by the Communists, who have learned not to mess with the revenue base. Could they be more creative than they are now if they had more Democracy, perhaps, but they are on a successful trajectory now. Why change a winning game plan?

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      • They also have high levels of corruption, not to mention the fact that the state-run economy hides market distortions which could blow the whole thing up. Red China is not Hong Kong or Singapore.

        Then there’s the little fact that Europeans went out and took over the world while the Chinese sat on their hands, despite the Chinese on the surface appearing to be in a superior position.

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      • A ton of Russians nowadays are pretty nostalgic for communism. If asked what era of Russian history people would like to live in, a plurality prefer the Brezhnev days.

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      • Belarus too, they never really abandoned communism, and seem to be doing reasonably well.

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      • Russia and Belarus are more fascist than anything else.

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      • Remind me of how communism and fascism differ again?

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      • Actually, Susan Sontag put it reasonably well: “Communism is in itself a variant, the most successful variant, of Fascism. Fascism with a human face.”

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      • Fascism is not nearly as anti-religion and anti-family as communism.

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      • Family friendlier communism … you know, that’s a good point.

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      • A) There must be some joke in there about the B-man’s wife. Maybe her moustache tickled his dick? B) Funny story: When B took over from Kruschev,he gave B two envelopes. K said to him,”When you are in trouble,open envelope 1.When things are really going to hell,open envelope 2.” A few years later,Brezhnev was deeply unpopular. He recalled the envelopes one day,and ran to his desk to open #1. It said simply,”Blame everything on me. Sincerely,Kruschev.” The plan worked well for a while,but soon things began to get worse and worse. B thought,”Time for envelope #2.” He ran to his desk and tore it opne. It said “Get 2 envelopes…”

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      • A ton of Russians nowadays are pretty nostalgic for communism. If asked what era of Russian history people would like to live in, a plurality prefer the Brezhnev days.

        Nice lie. If “a plurality” prefer communism, why don’t they vote for the communists?

        Yeah, you can’t answer that. Oops.

        Yeltsin was propped up by the oligarchs that were handed control of much of the economy by the communist party. He was corrupt to the core because that is what the communists, now turned oligarchs, wanted as they robbed the industries. But after him Putin set about imprisoning the oligarchs or forcing them into exile, confiscating their assets and privatizing the economy. Under Putin, in less than a decade the average citizen’s purchasing power tripled.

        That is why Russians kept voting for Putin’s party, not the communist one.

        Facts hurt, don’t they, little socialist?

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      • In case you haven’t been paying attention, Vietnam has followed the path of economic liberalization that China is, partially in an attempt to get into western markets and get ‘protected’ from China.

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      • on December 8, 2013 at 9:24 am haunted trilobite

        The year 1999, seventh month,
        From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
        To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
        Before and after Mars to reign by good luck

        – Nostradamus

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      • Well, the Russkies eventually rejected communism, but the Chinese, North Koreans, and Vietnamese (plus the mixed-race Cubans) still seem perfectly content with it. Yeah, I know, not all of them… but the bulk of them are. And that’s what matters.

        Come on, learn something about the countries you are talking about:

        –The Chinese economy is more right-wing than those of most Western nations. China today is nationalist, not communist. After Mao’s death his disastrous reign made the Party bring back Deng Xiaopeng from exile in the western provinces. He filled the leadership with other men who Mao had exiled or imprisoned. They set about dismantling communism.

        –The Vietnamese are bit worse off, with a criminal Party that steals whatever it wants, but they still have a large amount of marketism, and they can leave the country whenever they want, just like the Chinese, something that has always been forbidden in true communist countries (like Cuba and North Korea). You will look in vain for Vietnamese outside the Party who even pay lip service to communism.

        –North Koreans are still slaves under Stalinism, but the vast majority of them are of course NOT communists, and would like nothing more than to live like the South Koreans.

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    • Quite disingenuous and stupid to take the experiment of a colony in 1623 as “American founding principles” rather than the revolutionary principles that were in play when the Republic was, you know, FOUNDED

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    • CH is closer with the definition.

      Mao’s communism was more a manifestation of classic Chinese agrarianism than the ideological Marxism of the West. It originated with Ming emperors who moved entire merchant class populations from the Eastern coast into the interior, forcing them to become farmers in attempts to revitalize the Ming economy. Which worked, several times. But that was during an age when the world economy was still predominantly based on agricultural output. When Mao tried it, the world was no longer the same.

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      • It might have ‘worked’, but at what cost? China slowly isolated itself from Western markets and the technologies starting to be developed, losing out on a lot of exchange of information. Once the Industrial Revolution kicks in the powers in Europe start to grow economies more sophisticated and increasingly similiar to China in raw capacity.

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      • Theoretically, one could have agrarian expansion and continue contact with the outside world. The problem wasn’t with the economic model, it was with the political attitude of the time.

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      • Theoretically, one could have agrarian expansion and continue contact with the outside world. The problem wasn’t with the economic model, it was with the political attitude of the time

        LOL Sixty million Chinese murdered or starved to death. You think that was because of “the political attitude”? How did “the political attitude” starve them, little socialist idiot? They starved because the industries were destroyed, as Mao demanded useless local mini factories for metal that could only produce mud. All metal was melted down to make cannonballs and bullets for a supposed invasion of Taiwan. Agricultural tools were destroyed and most of the fields were neglected, so there was no food.

        And of course, a centralized economy completely ruined the basic cornerstones for an economy, such as a prize mechanism that regulates production by responding to increasing or decreasing demand. Instead of millions of independent daily decisions regulating production, one central bureaucracy was supposed to bring in all the information about everyone’s lives and make decisions based on that every five years. Meanwhile tons of stuff people didn’t want to buy was produced at too-high prices, while thing they wanted to buy had quickly sold out in too small amounts.

        Of course, I know you can’t understand any of this.

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      • My comment was regarding 17th century China, not the Mao era. Reading comprehension.

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      • Yeah but all that stuff about students denouncing their teachers and their own parents and terrorizing them,beating them and sending them to work camps ,thats first rate COMM-YOU-NIZZUM,nigga!!!

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    • Bad news for Feminism 😦 ,though some may be happy

      http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/12/wonder-woman-shouldnt-be-a-sidekick/282081/

      I will post here already one part of those bad news 😦
      “Wonder Woman certainly has superhero heirs; popular characters like Sailor Moon or Buffy the Vampire Slayer are both female superheroes who, in various ways, present femininity and being female as central to their specialness and heroicness. Wonder Woman herself, though, seems to have lost that vision. Originally, the fact that Wonder Woman was a woman was the reason she was the hero. Now, on the other hand, the woman in Wonder Woman tends to relegate her to being a bit player in some guy’s superstory.”

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    • > “China got a giant dose of American founding principles and it killed a few dozen million of them.”

      JESUS H CHRIST [no pun intended], you people are still just hopelessly naïve.

      Or maybe Axelrod is paying you to infiltrate the Dark Enlightenment?!?

      For the casual reader, just ask yourself: Knowing everything you know about recent politics, what OUGHT the pattern predict?

      Then go back and look at the historical record:

      In the early 1920s, the Comintern was headed by a JEW, Ovsei-Gershon Aronovich Radomyslsky Apfelbaum, nom-de-guerre “Zinoviev”:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigory_Zinoviev

      Apfelbaum sent the JEW, Grigori Naumovich Voitinsky, nom-de-guerre “Zarkhin”:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Voitinsky

      and also the JEW, Mikhail Gruzenberg, nom-de-guerre “Borodin”:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Borodin

      to China, so as to inculcate Sun Yat-sen:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

      and his star pupil, Mao Tse-tung:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Tse-tung

      in the finer points of Marxist-Leninist socio-political theory.

      The star pupil, Mao, then proceeded to murder approximately 125 MILLION of his fellow citizens, based on the teachings of Voitinsky/Zarkhin and Gruzenberg/Borodin.

      This is all covered in Chang and Halliday:

      http://www.amazon.com/dp/0679746323/

      So there’s the pattern:

      JEW: Apfelbaum / Zinoviev
      JEW: Voitinsky / Zarkhin
      JEW: Gruzenberg / Borodin
      CHINAMAN: Sun
      CHINAMAN: Mao

      Which is exactly the same pattern that you see everywhere you look:

      The Rum/Slave trade in the Carribean.

      The organized crime bidness in NYC and Chicago and San Francisco and Los Angeles.

      The assassination of President McKinley.

      The Jeckyll Island conspiracy.

      The thuggery in American organized labor.

      The poisoning of the culture by Hollyweird and the television studios.

      The 1965 Immigration Act.

      Everywhere you look – right through to the Bolshevik Unaffordable Care Act, which is now being wielded to destroy every last vestige of Western Civilization:

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/08/ezekiel_emanuel_if_you_want_to_pay_more_for_your_doctor_you_can_do_that.html

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/12/irs_goes_after_obamacare_whistleblowers_an_interview_with_c_steven_tucker.html

      Over and over and over again.

      The pattern repeats itself.

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  2. *taking a bow*

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    • Sigma,
      Which thread did you write that in?
      I want to go read it in context but I can’t find it.

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      • I can’t find it, but Heartiste fify’d the original so you won’t find the context. I was just clowning a leftist vomiting leftist BS.

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      • Reply keeps getting eaten, so I’ll try one more time: I can’t find the thread, but I was clowning a leftist who was queefing leftist BS.

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  3. The older a man gets the more he would want the one night stand with the actress I suspect. The more beauties one has bedded the greater the attraction to novelty and status symbols to brag about.

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  4. i’d rather date the rich ass scarlet so she could buy me a viper for my bday

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    • on December 8, 2013 at 7:40 am Johny Maglusky

      Can’t tell if troll or secretly aspires to be female.

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    • I think that many of the minority of men who would date the real Scarlet J would do so for exactly this reason. For the money. Male golddiggers are rare, but they still exist. Like Kevin Federline. In fact I am 95% sure that Kevin Federline would prefer to marry the real Scarlet rather than a waitress who looks like her.

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  5. Japs are fully human and they have a collectivist society. Fuck the West. I’ll be glad to see white people wiped off the face of the planet. Asians can give the orders, Mexicans can do the work, and Blacks can be the entertainers. No need for the pale-faces.

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  6. Readership:

    I’d like to share my trial and travails so far with this HB7 Asian i picked up off of daygame the other day. All feedback is welcome and I’m sharing so hopefully some of you can apply and avoid some of the things I have done.

    Disclaimer: Texting is a major deficiency of mine.

    Me: Hey weirdo. Good meeting ya today, talk soon. -ImmoralG

    Her: Alright 🙂

    (Next day) Me: Question for you

    Her: Hmmm?

    Me: Are you at least 21 or do I have to rob an old lady of her ID so I can get you into bars

    Her: Loll I’m not 21 yet 😦 but….I dont drink haha

    Me: Whys that. Not judging

    Her: Health issues : / haha

    Me: You don’t eat meat, drink, or like dogs. Planning out a date isn’t easy with you is it ;-p

    Her: Lolll it must not be if u say so haha

    Me: Ok I want to know. What’s your top two vices. Because if you don’t drink or eat meat then it has to be something else.
    Me: It’s probably guys in blue sweaters and a large Pokemon card collection

    ***OPs Note: I was wearing blue sweater during the pick-up***

    Her: What do u mean lol I don’t understand ur question

    Me: What are your two bad habits or guilty pleasures, silly

    Her: Uhh that would depend on what ur definition of “bad habits” are

    Me: Something u really enjoy but would make your conservative parents disown you if they found out

    Her: Hahaha uhhh thats uncomfortable…what if ur a cop lol

    Me: If I was a copy i would have handcuffed you with my red fuzzy pair already for being so adorable. Now answer my question

    Her: Haha why do I have to answer this???

    Me: *Sigh* ur no fun

    Her: Lol k i think u kjow nore about me than I know about u

    Me: …

    **Ops Note: This is “Ellipsis Game” which I owe Walawala and Heartiste for putting me on**

    Her: What
    (2-3 hours later) Her: Loll is there somwthing u want to hear??

    ***Op’s Note: At this point, I was tired of thinking of a response and headed to the gym. I did not respond back that same day***

    (Next day, ~12+ hours later)
    Me: The only thing I want to hear is “Yessir” when I say hookah Thursday 7pm at XYZ

    Her: Ok hookah sounds good wheres XYZ

    Me: X ave btwn Yst and Zst

    Her: Cool
    Her: Do you live around here?

    Me: I live in XYZ but will be seeing a friend in XYZ (near hookah spot) on Thursday Why what’s up

    Her: Oh I see, no its all good. ill see you on thursday 🙂

    (Later that same evening)
    Her: Burn sesh tnght???

    ***Ops Note: I thought this may have been a trap and should have DHV’ed and said I already had plans. But, that part of me thought that the girl was inviting me to blaze aka FUCK. It sounded too good to be true and it was.***

    Me: Hm where at. I just got back to my place and am soaking wet and cold

    Her: Ok shooot I msged wrong man : / but u didn’t have umbrella?

    Me: Oh my god I can’t believe ur cheating on me. I’m filing divorce papers and getting custory of the dog.

    Her: Lol keep the dog! Sorry I usually only use the text with one person and I forgot haha and u replied so naturally.. didn’t realize I msged the wrong person.

    THE END

    **A few notes: Very cute girl and not fresh-off-the boat (FOB). She admits to not being able to develop emotional connections with guys she sees and in the PU I called it out as her not being attracted to the guys. She probably bosses them around and loses attraction when they do what she says. This was assessing her “Blueprint” and from there I riffed how I was going to boss her around, ignore her texts, etc and her eyes lit up.
    She verbalized that she doesn’t like being told what to do and I called her out that despite that, she is still attracted to it. Understanding “her world” is one of the things that helped me get the number-close and set up less-than-solid plans for the meetup**

    I of course fucked up but a couple things I learned that were helpful:

    1) Elipsis game (the “…”) Use it when you don’t know how to reply or when you want to admonish a girl for doing something you don’t like. (Credit to walawala)

    2) At first I thought her comment of “Lol k i think u know more about me than I know about u” was her way of saying that she wants more comfort/rapport. Seems so on the surface but I saw it as her failing a compliance test and her shit-testing me.

    3) Taking 12 hours/a day to respond and coming back over the top with the dominant “The only thing I want to hear is “Yessir” when I say hookah Thursday 7pm at XYZ” was my way of incorporating the fact that she likes to be dominated. I hemmed and hawed on this and thought I might lose the account but it actually worked.

    4) I fucked up by taking her beta bait on the “Burn sesh” and no doubt she meant that for one of her beta orbiters (or fuckbuddies, hey) that smokes her out. Yeah lesson learned. I tried to recover as best as I could by acting like I didn’t really care but I also wanted to make her emotionally react to me.

    I will keep the readership updated as to how this goes.

    -IG

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    • I wouldn’t personally have acknowledged her about messaging the wrong man, instead I would have simply joked about not having the umbrella or whatever and let it go. Even though you framed the divorcing comment as a joke, it’s a bit on the cringe side. No where near fatal though, just don’t bring it up with her again. I’d personally flip the script, flake on her the day of your date to see her reaction, to judge where she stands with you, but you run the risk of losing her. Use at your own discretion.

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      • Even though you framed the divorcing comment as a joke, it’s a bit on the cringe side.

        The bit about the dog made it come off as funny, at least from how I read it.

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      • She may very well have taken it as funny too, Corvinus, I hope she did. I just wouldn’t reference cheating with the word “cheating” personally, but I don’t think it affected anything, it has the plausible deniability of a joke. In my experience I find it best to gloss over any comments about another guy as it nearly always seems like a chance for her to interpret me bringing up the fact that there is another guy as me being afraid to lose her. If I like the girl well enough, I’ll usually use a variety of this:
        Her: this guy messaged me on facebook. He has tons of tattoos like a biker
        Me: I’ve never had a desire for a tattoo (I’m reframing this discussion back to my favorite subject, me. Without Mentioning the guy. He doesn’t exist in my world)
        Her: blah blah blah

        Now, what if she persists?
        Me: I’ve never had a desire for a tattoo.
        Her: yeah, I think he’s in a biker gang called Corvinus.
        Me: uh oh spaghettio…
        Her: what? Lol
        (She knows I know what she’s up to. This text is more than likely a quick response text on her part, with her responding less then 30 seconds after I sent the “uh oh”. Nothing jerks a response like an ambiguous accusation. )
        Me: I’ll buy the pregnancy test. (Slut shaming while being funny and showing I’m not threatened by her sleeping with him while still not mentioning sexybikerfelon, he doesn’t exist in my world)
        Her:omg lol noooooo he probably has aids
        Me: blah blah blah
        AND…the biker is gone.
        If she ends up riding his harley she had already decided to do it and you aren’t going to reason her out of it.
        More than likely that blazing buddy of hers is a beta orbiter used for getting her on space orbit at the expense of his stash, nothing more. If he were an alpha she wouldmore than likely be hiding his existence as she attempts to put you into beta orbit.
        Just my thoughts, take it or leave it.

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      • True, if you’re talking to a girl, one appropriate time to talk about yourself is when she brings up another guy. As I’ve become more alpha, when they do that, rather than talk about her relationship with her boyfriend as I used to, I’ll now slide off the subject onto something else.

        If he were an alpha she wouldmore than likely be hiding his existence as she attempts to put you into beta orbit.

        And then once a fellow is in beta orbit, she talks about the alphas she wants. That’s how it seems to work.

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    • Feedback:
      #1 Your texts are often longer than hers. Try to stick to the rule: You write fewer words than her. She writes 5 and your reply with 3.

      #2 You kiss her ass too much. Where are negs?

      #3 “…for being so adorable”
      You have not yet fucked her and still you compliment her looks. BETA.

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    • on December 8, 2013 at 1:20 pm Cad and Bounder

      Next time, try this

      Good to meet you today
      Her: Alright 🙂

      Two days later

      Hi Whatsup? Drinks at X, 9pm Thursday
      Her: Well I don’t drink haha
      ok change of plan. Hookah at Y. 9pm.
      Her: ok see u there

      There is really no need to try and add value, demonstrate dominance or sexually escalate before a date. All you are doing is running the risk of triggering ASD or giving her something to discuss (the content of your messages) with her friends so they can turn her off you.

      Just get the date and fuck her. Girls aren’t stupid. They know we want to fuck them.

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      • Thanks a lot Cad and Bounder. Your suggestion really cuts out the fat and gets to the meat and bone of the interaction. I recognize that I spent unnecessary time texting here and thanks for reminding me to be a bit more succint:

        Here is an update on the situ:

        (Today)

        Her: Hey

        Me: Hi

        Her: You are gona get angry if I say lets meet next week when im done finals… : / but yeah.. I got tok many big things coming up :((
        Her: I promise it ain’t an excuse : ///

        Me: U owe it to yourself to spend time with a cool guy before the week gets busy. Stop being so difficult and see ya at 8.

        Her: I would be pushing itttt 😦
        Her: I’m not the type who tries to be difficult to guys btw :p

        Me: No biggie, I’ll wait to see how u make it up to me before I pass judgment ;-p

        Her: Haha ill get back to u when I’m done 🙂

        **So yeah, I doubt she will re-initiatie but it seems like my frame is strong that I won’t lose points popping up mid-week to push for another meet up. Interesting how she qualified herself with the “I’m not the type who tries to be difficult to guys btw :p” and the fact the she let out a detailed excuse to flake is noteworthy.

        Actions speak louder than words for sure and ultimately, she did flake. I could have been a bit more persistant/dominat but I read her “I would be pushing itttt :(” as her politely/hesitantly rebuffing.**

        Thanks again Cad and Bounder, much appreciated.

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      • @immoral. Please see my suggested routine below and here is how I would have handled this:

        Her: Hey

        Me: Hi

        Her: You are gona get angry if I say lets meet next week when im done finals… : / but yeah.. I got tok many big things coming up :((
        Her: I promise it ain’t an excuse : ///

        INSERT ELIPSIS HERE: …

        Me: U owe it to yourself to spend time with a cool guy before the week gets busy. Stop being so difficult and see ya at 8.

        NO…. you’re calling yourself a “cool guy”—over-selling. Let her decide that based on her feelings. You talking about you.

        “STOP BEING SO DIFFICULT”: too much, tone it down a bit, that is HER frame…

        Here’s a reframe:

        WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID: “Well, if you promise to dress nice and behave…ok”

        THAT WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE DYNAMIC AND ALASO BEEN A GOOD TEST. IF SHE SAYS “DONT” TELL ME WHAT TO DO…” she’s a cunt and good riddance. If she laughs and starts qualifying herself, it’s a stronger sexual vibe.

        Her: I would be pushing itttt 😦
        Her: I’m not the type who tries to be difficult to guys btw :p

        Me: No biggie, I’ll wait to see how u make it up to me before I pass judgment ;-p

        WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID: “We’ll see…see you next week. Ciao”

        I THINK IN READING THIS THE GIRL IS KEEN. BUT YOU SOUND A BIT GROUCHY. I”VE BEEN GUILTY OF THIS TOO. TONE IT DOWN. SHE”S ALREADY QUALIFIED HERSELF ONCE.

        Her: Haha ill get back to u when I’m done 🙂

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      • Ugggggggh. Dude thank you. When you put it that way it makes a lot more sense and puts me in the right mindset. I’m going to read Krauser’s Day Game Nitro starting this week.

        Especially cool is that “We’ll see…see you next week. Ciao” total lack of neediness there. Love it and stealing it.

        About inserting the ellipsis again where you recommended….I thought of that today but man, I don’t know the rules on using two ellipsis with the same set. What are your thoughts? If you use it enough, won’t a girl call it out?

        Interesting shit walawala and thanks for sharing bro.

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      • @immoral

        I’ve found that some girls actually start using ellipsis game.

        Krauser’s got huge exchanges with notes explaining each and every response, that’s how I started improving, but I do fall into traps or fuck things up. Game is an attitude and a set of tools and ideas but not a guarantee of any outcome.

        Also more important is the attitude you have when you send this stuff out.

        I’ve found from your exchange and some of my own, when i find internally i’m needy or wanting some specific outcome it falls apart.

        Girls who are interested will respond favourably and quickly. If they’re not, they’ll put a shmillion excuses up.

        In the case of HK girls, what goes against game but i have found has worked is actually calling them out on their crap. Since no local guys do that here it has worked. However it has worked against me too—at least short-term because the girl, especially one with issues resents “being told what to do.”

        While i’m the one who introduced ellipsis game to the manosphere, i actually picked this up from a girl I was seeing.

        She used to just send that whenever I made some comment she either couldn’t respond to, found ridiculous or otherwise.

        i think over-using these is like adding too much salt or pepper to a recipe, ruins the flavour.

        Also, i’ve found it’s far easier to game new girls rather than get something going with a fading or broken relationship.

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      • @immoralgables

        “Me: No biggie, I’ll wait to see how u make it up to me before I pass judgment ;-p”

        Solid! Well done. I’ll probably steal this one.

        “I doubt she will re-initiatie”

        She will. You don’t have to re-initiate, let her. She already feels bad about flaking and is into you and is worried about fucking up with you, so a few days of silence will make her wonder if you’re pissed. The ioi’s I’m looking at for this are:

        1) She flaked ahead of time VS at the last minute or flaking without warning at all and being like “o sorry I fell asleep lol” the next day.

        2) She qualifies herself by declaring herself as not the difficult type, so now she has to live up to that label which means she probably won’t play as hard to get as a girl who hasn’t given herself that label. It’s like when you say “you girls seem friendly”, they tend to be more friendly because you’ve given them a label so they’ll feel worse if they act bitchy lol

        3) She’s not flaking completely, she’s rescheduling. There’s a subtle difference…a girl who’s full-out not-giving-a-fuck flaking will just say “I can’t make it friday” but not offer an alternative. But a girl who’s super super into you will be like “I’m sooo sorry I can’t make it friday, but is Monday okay instead?? I’ll cook you something nice to make up for it and wear lingerie and blow you all night!!” (lol, exaggerating of course). This girl is in-between the two…she’s offering up that when her finals shit is done, you guys will hang out.

        So that stuff tells me that a few days of silence will make her worry “I hope he isn’t mad at me…” and probably txt you. Don’t push for a meet-up till she’s done her shit, but do keep in touch and build comfort/rapport with her via txt if she txts you. Just shoot the shit and do some light flirting, nothing too serious until her schedule is more free in a couple weeks.

        “I won’t lose points popping up mid-week to push for another meet up.”

        Don’t. She’s busy right now, she’s probably studying and stressing school shit and everything and wants to hang but just doesn’t have time. For a chick to hang out she doesn’t just roll out of bed mid-studying stressed and unpleasant and head downstairs with bed-hair to meet you, she has to get her hair done and be in a good mood and all that shit, esp if she wants to impress the guy.

        She’s basically just not in a position where she can meet up right now, so she’ll have to flake on you a second time and it’ll just make her feel bad/guilty and too much of that can make her just stop communicating entirely (no one wants to answer the phone when their boss calls when they’re skipping work pretending to be sick to play xbox lol).

        Show that you “understand her world” and ease up on the pressure for a couple weeks while she finishes finals. She’s into you, so you’ll be fine.

        “Actions speak louder than words for sure and ultimately, she did flake.”

        This one is okay. This is a legitimate flake. 🙂 Ya, you could argue that if you were high-enough value like Brad Pitt she would ignore studying/exams for you, and that’s true, but like, you’re not that high-value to her yet and her exams are super high-priority to her during the weeks leading up to finals, so fuck it, just play it chill and push again at a more opportune time in a couple weeks.

        “I could have been a bit more persistant/dominat but I read her “I would be pushing itttt :(” as her politely/hesitantly rebuffing.**”

        No you read that right. I was actually worried you were going to keep pushing, but you pulled back at the perfect time…a liiiiittle more stress to make sure she’s not just being silly, and then backing off and challenging her to make it up to you. This was played very solid and I cheered in my head when I read that line lol Very well calibrated.

        If you had kept pushing, 1) it would’ve shown a lack of calibration, 2) it would’ve shown a lack of understanding/care about her world/reality (in a bad stressful way), and 3) you still wouldn’t have gotten her to blow off studying for her exams etc. for you so you still wouldn’t be getting your dick sucked lol

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      • Your insight on letting her reach out to me is potent. I thought I was losing my mind debating whether it was a legit flake or not.

        YaReally, I know I’ve said this over a dozen times to you over the past year lol but thank you.

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      • YaReally’s advice is always solid.

        Contrast your situation with mine. I reach out (against advice) to ex gf, suggest a meet up. She says “Can’t promise”…and leaves it at that. Then I don’t respond. She reaches out with some nonsense. I ignore. She gets exasperated says “You disappear again”….I respond: “I open up…but all I see is the black swan.”

        Radio silence for 3 weeks..

        Duh. Is there interest? Hamster is spinning…maybe but I think the whole concept is that we’re often through the looking glass.

        The idea isn’t a fucked up text…it’s whether WE determine we give a shit.

        How not to give a shit?

        This is my own dilemma.

        Abundance….figure ways to talk to different girls.

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      • No prob. If it’s any consolation, the reason I can say “this seems like a legit flake, not a bullshit one” is because I’ve had a fuckton of the bullshit ones lol

        Also if she DOES reach out to you at all this week, that’s an ioi. Other guys would reach out to her first, worried they lost her. You told her to make her flaking up to you so now you can just chill and see what she does.

        Worst-case she doesn’t txt you at all, and you go 2 weeks without hearing from her, then shoot her a teasing txt and get her laughing and push for the meet-up like nothing happened (aka you were too busy having fun with other girls to really care that you haven’t heard from her). Like, that’s no big deal lol. She’s not going to get railed by some dude as soon as she puts her pencil down after her last test. And she doesn’t drink so she’s not likely to go hookup with dudes during the “finals are done” parties…hell, she might even invite you to one (the one with the most orbiters for you to fight off, of course lol).

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    • Hi @immoral

      Here is my basic text game:

      You: hey weirdo blah blah blah

      Her: blah blah blah

      Me: “heels or flats?”

      Her: What?

      Me: Heels or flats?

      Her: heels/flats

      Me: +5 or -5

      Her: Is that a test?

      Me: Next question: chocolate…or strawberries?

      Her whatever she says

      Me:: +5 or -5…or, you can ask me 1 question (or 2 questions), but make them interesting

      Her; ASKS SOMETHING

      Me; Wow, thought you were more interesting or answer it

      take it like that….

      This is the general pattern..

      If it starts to break down, then I bail.

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    • @Immoral You have to be overall a bit more dominant and playful at the beginning especially with Asian girls who immediately think foreigners (even if she’s living in the US) are more manly and dominant.

      I’ll give you one example of how I used text game very recently to instill/inspire the hamster.

      3 weeks ago I fucked up and broke no contact with my ex gf when she called and we began talking. I fucked this all up but basically was overt and said “OK I want to be together.”

      We get into a pattern of texting over the next day which is normal.

      Then I text about meeting up. She says “Can’t promise”….I go silent.

      A day and a half passes and she sends a trial text which I ignore.

      Finally at 2am she texts me:

      Her: “You disappear again…” Note that this is a trial text and a shit test which I would normally ignore, but game is never perfect and always a series of trial and errors….To ignore this girl would to me seem butt-hurt…so I punt.

      Me: I open up…but all I see is the black swan

      The black swan is a reference to her favorite movie about the crazy girl.

      Her; I was so busy I couldn’t meet up blah blah blah

      Me: Silence…and ignore for what is the second NEXT…it’s been 3 weeks.

      I fucked up the No Contact.

      But in this case the situation demanded some type of response to reframe the idea that as a man i’m serious and I expect a certain type of behavior.

      However, reaming the girl out again is a major turn off….

      She was expecting another confrontation, instead she got that one line: vulnerability, then dominance.

      Hope this helps explain the paradox and idea of what I have found that works with Asian girls and game.

      There needs to be some type of vulnerability or willingness to open up but also a clear boundary.

      If they act like cunts, you can then have license and excuse and rationale to walk away…and when need be pin it on their behavior.

      Asian girls are very pragmatic and logical but extremely emotional.

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      • Hey man, I get the line about vulnerability. I’ve just been burned so many times in the past; thinking I was being vulnerable but in reality I was being needy or trying to force the situation.

        Thanks for sharing this, if I get the girl out hopefully I can apply some of this.

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      • Here’s a simple patter I picked up from Krauser and kind of adapted, it goes like this.

        Asian girl context:

        you: Hey crazy (insert country she’s from or where you think she’s from here) great meeting you…

        Her: Yah blah blah blah

        You: I knew you were trouble….behave

        Her: Behave? I always behave blahbalh blah

        You: My mom warned me about girls from (insert her country here)…

        her: really what did she say?

        You: 3 things;

        Her: What ??

        You: 1. Sexy eyes. 2. Great cooks and 3.

        her? Blah blah blah yes/no whatever and what’s 3????

        She has to ask what 3 is

        You: …

        then amp it up. Suggest a meeting place. or whatever.

        Is she is still pfaffing around, I usually forget it at this point. They’re just time wasters.

        A fun, girl who’s up for meeting will at this point be into it with this simple playful banter—which I credit Krauser for.

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      • Thanks again man. Thanks a lot

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      • “You have to be overall a bit more dominant and playful at the beginning especially with Asian girls who immediately think foreigners (even if she’s living in the US) are more manly and dominant.”

        This comes down more to how white-washed/FOBy she is. If she’s a super-FOB (or you live in Hong Kong lol) then ya I agree for sure, but asian chicks born and raised here, especially in larger cities, are mentally the same as white chicks. I’m currently in a city with a lot of white-washed asian chicks (aka bananas, twinkies, etc. lol) and they respond to the same game white chicks do because they didn’t grow up with the “foreigners are dominant” mentalities FOBs did.

        Your (walawala) dominant laconic style of game probably works really well on the FOBy girls, but the white-washed ones are more likely to go all “lol this guy’s butt-hurt, whatevs” to that txting (unless you’ve established super high-value, like already having fucked her lol).

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      • @YaReally

        I have a question for you. Since our last set of postings on this, I’ve stuck to No Contact in my situation.

        Last week, ex gf shows up at party dressed SMOKING HOT.

        I was puzzled. Not many guys at this, so maybe she felt like dressing up. But more likely it was plausible deniability to get me to approach or dance with her or whatever.

        I did NOT approach, in fact I had a cold so left early.

        This past week, I also blanked her.

        Any thoughts?

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      • “Last week, ex gf shows up at party dressed SMOKING HOT.”

        Rolodex lol This is the “dress hot to make him see what he’s missing out on and chase me again” card in her rolodex.

        “I was puzzled.”

        Don’t be, she’s just doing the same thing as before…poking you with various sticks until she finds one that makes you react. I’d say she’s using her hotness now because you fucked up and admitted you still want her, so now she knows “alright, so instead of him being at a 0/10 in terms of being attracted to me, where dressing hot wouldn’t work because he doesn’t want me at all, he’s at a 4/10…so dressing hot will probably put him into an 8/10 and he’ll chase me!”

        Like you see how in a way, YOUR actions/reactions cause her to adapt her tactics. If you had been radio silent this whole time and she thought you legitimately didn’t want her anymore and had moved on, she would probably try a different rolodex card…in a way this is like as a boxer she landed a solid Left on you, and so she thinks you’re going to duck into her Right Uppercut…but she probably wouldn’t have thrown that Right Uppercut if the Left hadn’t landed.

        “so maybe she felt like dressing up”

        lol no, this is a calculated tactic on her part.

        See she wants to get back to a relationship too…but she wants to get back to a chaotic mess of a relationship where she can let her drama run free and you’ll put up with it. You want to get back to a relationship, but you want to get back to an orderly drama-free relationship where she doesn’t bring drama and you two can just enjoy eachother’s company.

        You both have the same general goal, but the specifics of it are different…and those different specifics are what will be the difference between a relaxing peaceful solid relationship for you or a stressful drama-every-week grey-hairs-early emotional rollercoaster of a chaotic relationship…

        And if you got her preggers and was locked down to her for the rest of your life, which of those relationships would you like to spend the next 20+ years of your life in? 😉

        “But more likely it was plausible deniability to get me to approach or dance with her or whatever.”

        Yep. 100%.

        “I did NOT approach, in fact I had a cold so left early.

        This past week, I also blanked her.”

        Perfect.

        “Any thoughts?”

        Keep ignoring her. Expect to ignore her for like 6 months minimum, maybe closer to a year. These social events your group has where you’re forced to see her actually lengthen how long you have to ignore her for and how pro-actively you have to ignore her. Without those events, she wouldn’t get a fix of you, but to her every single one of these parties she goes to, she has another chance to get your attention, and she’s just hoping that sooner or later you finally slip up.

        This also makes it harder for you to ignore her because you don’t get to just force her out of your mind/world/reality entirely, since you have to see her every couple weeks. She knows this.

        Basically she’s alcohol, you’re an alcoholic going to AA meetings, except every week or two you have to go hang out in a bar for a few hours lol The alcohol knows that sooner or later you’re going to probably slip-up, so it won’t give up as fast as it would if you never set foot in a bar again.

        So ya, this could be a solid 6 months to a year+, and even then would you WANT her now that you know what kind of person she is, objectively? Like you can train some shitty behaviors out of her, but the more “natural” that stuff like being a drama-bringing narcissist IS to her (ie – how long she’s been doing it, how many other guys have let her get away with it, how supportive her friends/family are of it etc.), the less likely you are to fully rehabilitate her into someone that you can trust will give you 20+ years of stability VS reverting back to it in a couple years when you’re locked down with a kid.

        And shit, imagine the kid that she would produce, and how she would raise it, if her view of reality and how to behave is the stuff you’ve seen?

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      • Solid posts. Thanks.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:43 am AlmostAnonymous

        Start seeing other women in order to get over your one-itus.

        Get laid by some other pretty young thing and your anxiety over your ex will become much, much less and thus, easier to deal with.

        There are plenty of attractive women here.

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    • She was into you but not that into you, during ur daygame pickup you did not build enough attraction. I think krauser tries to get chicks he day games right into a lil coffee date so he can further build attraction and escalate.

      Whenever I get mistaken messages I pretend like I erased her number. So you say “who is this” then pretend like your phone is broken. Another thing to keep in mind is with the out of the blue hookup texts, they rarely work out if you dont already know where she lives(address), and havent talked about sex at all, or havent had sex with her. Last time I got one of them I knew she was most likely teasing around so I acted genuinely surprised by it, then gave her a line about how I havent had sex since my gf died 2 years ago. Then told her that is something only a bitch would do. If you do persue the out of the blue hookup message dont invest anything into it. be minimal and invite her over, and if its late goto bed or do whatever, just dont wait for her because most of the time she wont follow through.

      i fall into two different camps with regard to escalation via text. I think that if I dont get at least a little sexual then its friendzoneville and if I am too sexual in text then she thinks im a chump. So use double entandres and plausable deniable and autocorrect. Sometimes autocorrect puts in some nice words so I just go with them. How are you turns into how ate you or even more interesting ones. So anyways, I dont think ive ever lost a lay because ive been too sexual, I think ive lost lays for not being sexual enough, or too beta, or not escalating fast enough. In order to keep building attraction a person has to at least be a little sexual.

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      • Thanks for your feedback. That answer you provided regarding out of the blue texts is money. Ultimately if it seems too good to be true, it usually is. Rule of thumb for the future is to assume it’s a fluke if you haven’t banged already.

        Thanks for the reminder.

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      • Hey man, I gave you my thoughts but they’re in moderation. Thanks for putting up an actual text exchange from real life…as in the situation that will actually help out guys on here, instead of ones where it’s pretty much in the bag.

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      • And as opposed to the ones where guys just pretty much brag about the lay but don’t tell us how it got from point A to point B.

        I don’t mind showing my mistakes and failures because that’s how others/us in the trenches can learn.

        If every interaction was a success and all we did was circle-jerk that success, learning will cease to be as potent.

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    • Cringeworthy. I nominate your post for Beta of the Month. I hope CH uses your post as an example of how NOT to text a girl.

      So bad, I have no idea where to begin. Look how long your sentences are. Look at how much you suck up to her. Where is the flirting? Where is the teasing?

      Holy shit, you even complimented her LOOKS?! How long have you been here at CH? I am guessing not very long. Either that or you have some kind of learning disability.

      Verdict: BETA.

      (it’s funny, seeing as how much you suck up and white-knight the other resident newbie called Scray, below, who is self-admittedly another inexperienced short sniveling beta and has an addiction to the reply button, who also spurns criticism of his behavior in disdain, and spams the forum continuously with his ignorant nonsense due to low self-esteem, we could’ve known how much of a beta you are even without reading your texts. You have as much game as he does.)

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      • Hey man, how many cute asians have you picked up off cold-approach, especially via day game.

        Yeah thanks lol

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      • Woah.

        I like how you try to change the topic and make-up shit about me that you don’t know anything about (the circumstances and frequency of my day-game) because you feel so insecure when your horrible game was called out. I wasn’t the only one who thought you did a poor job. Stop lashing out and learn, crybaby.

        I am sorry you are obviously bad at this, but this doesn’t mean you need to try to call out others. Beta.

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      • I recognize it was a poor job and I have no problem taking criticism, provided that those who provide aren’t keyboard jockeys such as yourself.

        The fact that you replied vehemently like that tells me you rarely do the following:

        1) Go out
        2) Cold approach
        3) Day game
        4) Approach attractive girls
        5) Go out, cold approach attractive girls via day game

        So yeah son, sit your ass back down. Nowhere did you add value in the same vein as Walawala, Cad and Bounder, Patriarch and Scray.

        Not even listening to you going forward I’m just going to ignore unless hell freezes over and you do some of the above things I listed.

        Peace

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      • Hey man no need for anger and making shit-up about me (again) to feel better about your own failures. I just realize that I was wrong, and didn’t appreciate gems like:

        “Me: Oh my god I can’t believe ur cheating on me. I’m filing divorce papers and getting custory of the dog.”

        Fuck dude. Amazing text game. Are you Mystery in disguise?

        “I recognize it was a poor job ”
        “I of course fucked up ”

        No man, you are too hard on yourself. All the time you spent white-knighting Scray – the other resident self-admitted short beta crybaby newbie – with his dick in your mouth has just made you rusty. That’s all. But on the plus side, I am sure you have better game now for other men.

        Just show them your icon with jewelry and you’ll already be ahead. Best of luck!

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      • ok troll fine. u may suk my dikk. but for only 5 mins.

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      • look everyone at the classic textbook case of projection.

        calling short little Scray Scray out on his self-admitted whiny betatude, and he reveals his closet homosexuality. no wonder, with your “many failures during the 30 day challenge”, lol.

        didn’t you also say you liked women who looked ‘boyish’? this explains a lot.

        It’s either that, or the presence of immortalgaybles

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      • damn u give good head boy.

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      • I act like a homosexual and become sexually attracted to my opponents whenever I feel insecure. No wonder I describe myself as a short crybaby beta who can’t get laid, and spam the forums for attention. 😦

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      • loyal fan head is the best head

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      • I realize having homosexual fantasies about all those contemptuous of me is beyond omega, but I hope nobody else notices it….

        Oh wait, I already out’d myself as a short crybaby beta, and my bruised ego won’t let me respond to my opponents coherently, so I hamsterize myself into a delusional fantasy. Even my advocates like Patriarch say I react “defensively” because my self-esteem is so low being so new at this. 😦

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    • Awesome stuff.

      The first situ is something that should go in a PUA manual or something. This is reality — there are a lot of times where you still need to work on your value with a girl.

      ‘Me: Hey weirdo. Good meeting ya today, talk soon. -ImmoralG’

      This is great. You have a light tease mixed in to the greeting and you sign your name so you don’t get the dreaded ‘who is this?’ response.

      Her: Alright :)’

      Seems like you’re working with someone who is lukewarm.

      ‘(Next day) Me: Question for you’

      I kno it’s standard practice to wait a long time, but it’s also ok to strike while the iron is still…well it still has more warmth.

      ‘Her: Hmmm?

      Me: Are you at least 21 or do I have to rob an old lady of her ID so I can get you into bars’

      This is playful. Maybe add some sort of DHV tho that implies you have an interesting life and something you were doing made you think to ask. (Ya it will mean a longer txt, o noooo who cares)

      ‘Her: Loll I’m not 21 yet 😦 but….I dont drink haha

      Me: Whys that. Not judging

      Her: Health issues : / haha

      Me: You don’t eat meat, drink, or like dogs. Planning out a date isn’t easy with you is it ;-p’

      This is all good but instead of the ‘planning a date stuff,’ just go for it — You don’t eat meat, drink, or like dogs. I guess we’ll just watch a movie at my place. Boldness is rewarded, even if she comes back with some nonsense about how she’s not that type of girl. Better to move that ball to the 5 yard line and have her try to push it back, than leave it on the 40 and try to have her help you push it forward.

      Her: Lolll it must not be if u say so haha’

      This probably had nothing to do with the planning a date stuff, but when girls are all passive and shit like this — she’s not quite reacting to what you say — whatever you launched probably just didn’t hit.

      ‘Me: Ok I want to know. What’s your top two vices. Because if you don’t drink or eat meat then it has to be something else.
      Me: It’s probably guys in blue sweaters and a large Pokemon card collection

      ***OPs Note: I was wearing blue sweater during the pick-up***

      Her: What do u mean lol I don’t understand ur question’

      You keep plowing — good choice, but you keep plowing in the same jokey vein. I’d try something a little different — she just doesn’t seem like she’s going to respond to the ‘make statements about her and build a person’ stuff. So try to DHV in other ways — u saw another girl that reminded you of her, some shit about a girl you kicked out of your place — keyword here is subtle, eg tie it into coming over your place, make a silly rule…’ya but if u come over just make sure you take ur bra. please. omg. u have to take it with u when u leave.’ You did something awesome that her stupid non-meat, non-drinking ass would love and that’s why it’s a funny coincidence, etc.

      When a girl doesn’t respond to funny-ha-ha humor, I assume that she just expects that from me and needs to be assured of other traits.

      ‘Me: What are your two bad habits or guilty pleasures, silly’

      I like where you’re going with ‘silly.’ But don’t be afraid to get more stern — ‘ur two bad habits or guilty pleasures. keep up, kid’

      ‘Her: Uhh that would depend on what ur definition of “bad habits” are

      Me: Something u really enjoy but would make your conservative parents disown you if they found out’

      At this point, she’s being difficult and I’d probably change the subject or tease her for being a ballbuster.
      ‘jesus u a lawyer…’ and change subject or just let it sit.

      ‘Her: Hahaha uhhh thats uncomfortable…what if ur a cop lol’

      See, girls know about this shit because she does it back to you in the next text — she just doesn’t really want to answer this question or get involved with it, so she reframes.

      ‘Me: If I was a copy i would have handcuffed you with my red fuzzy pair already for being so adorable. Now answer my question’

      Right idea, but I’d tone down the funny stuff. Or, go for funny stuff that will make her bust out laughing….like ‘ANSWER THE QUESTION.’ but that requires some risky calibration cause you could just end up looking dumb if you don’t know her sense of humor well enough. I would give up on this conversation thread and just be fun —

      ‘o shit i am a cop. im looking for a criminal to bust, u in?’ Who cares if she never answered your questions, girls don’t think like that, just jump from thing to thing. Whatever she gives you to work with, grab on to it and never look back. You have to elicit her emotions from across a fuxing text screen broheim.

      ‘Her: Haha why do I have to answer this???

      Me: *Sigh* ur no fun’

      Never insist on this stuff with a girl. Just let it go. Move to greener pastures. ‘why do I have to answer this?’ ‘…u think u have to answer? wow u must thin im really important’ Not letting it go is tingle-death.

      ‘Her: Lol k i think u kjow nore about me than I know about u

      Me: …

      **Ops Note: This is “Ellipsis Game” which I owe Walawala and Heartiste for putting me on**

      Her: What
      (2-3 hours later) Her: Loll is there somwthing u want to hear??’

      Ya, well….we all know my thoughts on ellipsis game. And I think you missed out on a chance to do some more DHV work here. If your value was higher, the ellipsis stuff would have been great. She’s interested enough in you to ping back after you do it, but not quite interested enough for her hamster to go crazy. (Her hamster spins, as a rule, when you get >4 txts back from her, I’d say). My only point is that I don’t think the ellipsis did anything for you.


      ***Op’s Note: At this point, I was tired of thinking of a response and headed to the gym. I did not respond back that same day***’

      NOOOOOOOO. NOOOOOO. lol I think this was a crucial opportunity you missed. And if you would have been pushing for the meetup from the start, by this point you’d really have a lot to work with. When she asked you those questions, you could have actually also just went straight to the hangout option as well.

      ‘(Next day, ~12+ hours later)
      Me: The only thing I want to hear is “Yessir” when I say hookah Thursday 7pm at XYZ

      Her: Ok hookah sounds good wheres XYZ

      Me: X ave btwn Yst and Zst

      Her: Cool
      Her: Do you live around here?

      Me: I live in XYZ but will be seeing a friend in XYZ (near hookah spot) on Thursday Why what’s up

      Her: Oh I see, no its all good. ill see you on thursday 🙂

      (Later that same evening)
      Her: Burn sesh tnght???

      ***Ops Note: I thought this may have been a trap and should have DHV’ed and said I already had plans. But, that part of me thought that the girl was inviting me to blaze aka FUCK. It sounded too good to be true and it was.***

      Me: Hm where at. I just got back to my place and am soaking wet and cold

      Her: Ok shooot I msged wrong man : / but u didn’t have umbrella?

      Me: Oh my god I can’t believe ur cheating on me. I’m filing divorce papers and getting custory of the dog.

      Her: Lol keep the dog! Sorry I usually only use the text with one person and I forgot haha and u replied so naturally.. didn’t realize I msged the wrong person.”

      I wouldn’t have brought attention to the fact that she meant to txt someone else. Or at least, not that much, even tho what you said was a fun way to play it off. But her telling you to keep the dog —> ugh. If she was interested she probably would have done some sort of ‘ooo nooo I love the dawg, blah blah blah.’ Plus, she’s telling you that she was msging another guy — that also says something. But ya keep us updated. It’s good to see a real situ posted on the board. This is real shit…

      A lot of the txt exchanges that get put up are just moving the ball barely a yard.

      ‘lol i told her to suk my dik and she said ok but she may come an hour late wat do i do manosphere?!?!?!?!’

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      • Damn man, this is really insightful shit. It’s hella frustrating because once I step away from the exchange and see the recommendations from you, Walawala and the other guys, it is clear as fucking day. When I’m in the thick of the situ, it’s hard to respond effectively because my emotions fog my vision.

        Yes yes I know, more abundance aka more approaching and more cute asians. But this was my first one off daygame that I was into.

        The attitude you conveyed regarding toning down the jokey stuff and amping up the sexual vibe, thank you for the reminder. I noticed how you mentioned recently that you’ve been turning down the funny schtick and that resonates a lot. Hard for me to do because I fall back on it and once I get that ball rolling in a social situation, I’m pretty unstoppable…but then again, it’s not conducive to getting laid per se.

        Anyway Scray, this was hella solid feedback and I appreciate it.

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      • dude yeah man, when you’re in the shit it’s way different. Your ego is there, your emotions are there.

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      • P.S. this is just based on my own (many) failures (especially during the 30 day challenge). Once I let go of the script or the ‘follow the thread’ thinking and instead just latched on to whatever they said and went with it…like, dude. Seriously, will take your game to new places.

        And with you you probably have enough shit in your head to just roll with it.

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      • Guys look, I know I came here only 6 months ago as a sniveling beta that cried about how short he was and how women won’t look twice at him, but I’ve learned a lot in these short few months, okay? This is why I can post so many times on each and every blog post to show everyone my valuable insights into this topic where I am now a self-described veteran.

        Also, since my time is so valuable, this is why I ignore any sort of criticism about my ideas and treat my male opponent’s like girls I am texting and reframing instead of having a logical discourse.

        To those who want my help: I feel ready to give my esteemed advice – on both the macroscopic realm like female sexuality influencing the US political and social landscape, and the microscopic realm on how to get that 9 you are texting to dump her investment banking boyfriend to sleep on your couch instead and wake you up with blowjobs. Or how to treat a woman like shit and be a cool jerk after she miscarried your baby. I spam posts here because I’m the man!

        To immortalgables – obviously you can’t attract girls for shit with that kind of text game – and since I know you like to white-knight for me, and seeing your gay-face avatar with jewelry…. we’ll, let’s just say that since I have trouble getting my own girls too and I even admitted that I am a short crybaby beta, I am willing to wear a blonde wig for you. Nobody has to know. 😉

        my “many failures during the 30 day challenge” has lowered my standards 😦

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      • Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

        Hi hater

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      • Can I imitate your text game? It is so good!

        Also, honey, I left a key underneath the doormat. You don’t need to ‘file the divorce papers’ with me. 😉

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      • u want me so bad. but u cant haaaaaave meeeeeeeee

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      • I hope accusing others of wanting to be me will distract people from noticing that I out’d myself as a short crybaby beta who can’t get laid, who also continuously spams the forum non-stop because I have a low self-esteem. Yes, yes it will!

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    • Many thanks to everyone that helped out

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      • Hi immoral, from a girl’s perspective if you’re interested… I think you’re a little too chatty. She’s a pretty minimalist texter. You have to give her less than she gives you. If I were her, it would be obvious to me that you’re into me.

        If you tend toward overtexting, I’d skip emoticons/smileys in any circumstance. Even if she uses them.

        The “wrong guy” text is a classic play. The best response to this is a simple Lol or ignore. The whole point is to provoke a reaction, so don’t give her one. Even making a joke about it is dignifying it. “Lol”gets the wheels going because she’s not sure if you’re laughing at her because you know she’s full of it, or if you really don’t care either way. That’s maddening to us.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:18 pm immoralgables

        Thanks for your feedback Amy. I hesitated saying Lol or ignoring because I didn’t want to seem butt-hurt (and I wasn’t) but understand what you’re saying.

        Appreciate it

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      • Agreed with Amy. Stopped using “lols” and limited myself to just Ha’s and 😛 after repeated flakes. I think I’ll post some of my bad texting examples the next time I get a number.

        This is all great insight man, thanks for posting!

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      • No don’t criticize him. He will cry and attack you. Look at what he did above with Ben. He doesn’t have a high self-esteem.

        Remember, we are all ‘keyboard jockeys’ if we say his game sucked, after he posted it on the internet where communication is based on typing.

        So instead, Amy, you just don’t appreciate immortal’s amazing game. I am pretty sure he is just CH in disguise.

        Look at this:

        Me: Oh my god I can’t believe ur cheating on me. I’m filing divorce papers and getting custory of the dog.

        Fucking brilliant!

        Good thing you signed -IG at the end of your post. Make sure nobody steals your tight game. (Who knew the resident white-knight of Scray – a self-admitted short crybaby with low self esteem who said he can’t get girls and has an addiction to the reply button – could have such amazing game?)

        Immortalgables is nominated as ALPHA of the month.

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    • @Scray, @immoralgables

      Solid breakdown, Scray.

      “Better to move that ball to the 5 yard line and have her try to push it back, than leave it on the 40 and try to have her help you push it forward.”

      And this is a good analogy.

      Cons:
      – I wouldn’t have used the ellipses there (having a hammer and viewing everything is a nail analogy and all). To me the ellipses is for when she’s qualifying herself to you (where she worries you don’t like her answer) or doing something retarded (where she worries that you disapprove of what she did) VS throwing it in when she’s just commenting.

      – If she doesn’t play along, drop the thread, don’t harp on it. She wasn’t going along with the vices thing, so I would have switched gears to something else or cold-read what you guess her vices are (and make them a tease).

      – Using “cheating” won’t sink you, but it DOES imply that you come from a relationship frame where you want to “own” her, which is totally fine if you’re looking for a legit girlfriend etc., but if you’re just wanting to keep things in a casual fuckbuddy frame, avoid talking about relationships (even in jest) in traditional ways because she’ll extrapolate from there…a good version of this is in 21 Jump Street where Dave Franco talks about how he doesn’t own his chick’s vag etc. lol it’s that attitude of not believing in traditional relationships that keeps you in the fuckbuddy category in her mind

      – Along those lines, “planning a date” is the same thing. Never ever ever use the D-word. It’s always “hang out” or “chill” or “grab a drink” or “meet up” etc. Never ever ever a “date”. Once you use the word date, you categorize yourself in a “potential provider” label in her mind and set the frame that this is a “date” and with a traditional date come other expectations attached to that event, like the guy trying to impress the girl, the girl playing hard-to-get, the date ending in a kiss at most, etc. etc. Just all terrible things in terms of setting a frame where you can fuck eachother

      Pros:

      “Me: Are you at least 21 or do I have to rob an old lady of her ID so I can get you into bars”

      Solid. Probably got a laugh and it implies that you’re fun and adventurous and teasing with a roleplay etc. VS guys txting “so do you like sushi? There’s this nice sushi place we could go to if you want…?”

      “Me: What are your two bad habits or guilty pleasures, silly”

      Main reason she doesn’t play along here is that you’re asking for too much compliance too early. You don’t have the value to her yet, for her to divulge this much personal shit about her. It doesn’t mean she won’t ever tell you, but that you pushed a little too far. So to liken it to being at the bar, it would be like asking her to come home with you to fuck VS asking her to go get after-the-bar food. She might be up for going home with you, but that’s too much compliance to ask for too soon, so she won’t play along…but she might like you enough to get pizza. Then at pizza you build more attraction and say “let’s go watch a movie”, where you might have enough value for her to comply to that. Then at your place you say “the TVs in my bedroom, don’t worry I’ll be a gentleman we’ll just cuddle lol” and she might comply to that, and then eventually you’re having sex, but you got there by baby-stepping the compliance.

      “Me: If I was a cop i would have handcuffed you with my red fuzzy pair already for being so adorable. Now answer my question”

      This was a solid save to her shit-test. Well done! I would have used something similar but worded slightly different:

      “if I was a cop, you would be in fuzzy handcuffs right now lol (then change the subject entirely and try a different angle)”

      Key diff is leaving off the adorable stuff (too brother/sister sounding) and dropping the “now answer my question” stuff…she’s clearly not complying to it, so just let it go.

      “Her: Lol k i think u kjow nore about me than I know about u”

      I’m with Scray, this was a chance to build some attraction/comfort/rapport. You don’t necessarily need to do it, because it’s okay if she doesn’t know much about you, you don’t have to be an open book…but DROPPING the conversation entirely?? You have her attention, do something with it lol At least build some more rapport with some back-and-forth, roleplaying, teasing, innuendo, comfort, cold-reading, anything lol

      “Me: The only thing I want to hear is “Yessir” when I say hookah Thursday 7pm at XYZ”

      This is solid. Excellent way to turn her question into an opportunity to push for a meet-up. Assumes attraction/success, dominant/leading, stating what’s happening VS asking, etc.

      A pattern I keep seeing is you do something that gets into uncalibrated/fuckup territory, but then you turn it around with a solid fuzzy handcuffs or meet-up push lol If you didn’t keep dropping these solid turn-arounds, you’d’ve lost her lol

      “Me: I live in XYZ but will be seeing a friend in XYZ (near hookah spot) on Thursday Why what’s up”

      Also good move using “friend” instead of like, “buddy” here, so it’s ambiguous whether it’s a girl or not.

      “Her: Burn sesh tnght???”

      Trap! lol If you had not responded at all, or responded with “already have company sorry” or something, that would’ve passed her shit-test (and possibly made her jealous).

      “But, that part of me thought that the girl was inviting me to blaze aka FUCK.”

      …which is exactly what the test was designed to do. 🙂

      “Her: Ok shooot I msged wrong man : / but u didn’t have umbrella?”

      I lol’ed at this. Notice that she doesn’t say “wrong person”, she says “wrong MAN”. Because she wants you to get jealous, the same way you used the ambiguous “friend” earlier lol A lot of game comes from reverse engineering the tactics girls use to make us chase them.

      “Me: Oh my god I can’t believe ur cheating on me. I’m filing divorce papers and getting custory of the dog.”

      “She admits to not being able to develop emotional connections with guys she sees and in the PU I called it out as her not being attracted to the guys.”

      Probably an accurate read of her. She’s not incapable of it, she just hasn’t met a guy worth it that triggers the tingles in her in that way because most guys’ game sucks ass.

      “She probably bosses them around and loses attraction when they do what she says.”

      Yep, also probably a good read. That doesn’t mean you have to ignore her and be laconic and only respond once a week and shit, it just means that she’ll test your frame a lot and you have to be a solid oak tree and not let her fuck with it.

      “and from there I riffed how I was going to boss her around, ignore her texts, etc and her eyes lit up.”

      Yep…but then you jumped when she invited you for a burn sesh in the rain lol…you just got in out of the freezing soaking rain and were willing to venture back out into it to meet up with a chick you don’t even know gives good head yet. 😉 lol

      “She verbalized that she doesn’t like being told what to do and I called her out that despite that, she is still attracted to it.”

      lol yep. This is all good stuff…even if you didn’t verbalize it to her (tho I’m sure it helped build attraction for her to get called out on all that because not many guys “get it”), the fact that mentally you were aware of this stuff and able to conclude this stuff is solid and gives you a leg up on other guys in terms of dealing with her.

      “2) At first I thought her comment of “Lol k i think u know more about me than I know about u” was her way of saying that she wants more comfort/rapport. Seems so on the surface but I saw it as her failing a compliance test and her shit-testing me.”

      She was expecting you to offer up info about yourself or ask her to ask you questions about yourself, but all of that is being in her frame. Ellipses probably didn’t hurt, but I don’t think it really helped. Something that would’ve helped would’ve been like “You make me sound so mysterious lol” where you’re kind of turning it around on her like she’s being dramatic and then waiting to see if she’ll ask you questions (without prompting her to ask them)…if she doesn’t ask questions, change threads entirely and try another tool (cold-reads, roleplay, teasing, etc.), and if she DOES ask questions like (“tell me something about yourself” or “how old are you?” etc.) either handle them in a fun playful comfort-building way, or just go silent and go to the gym leaving her hanging lol

      Leaving her hanging when she wants an answer is different than leaving her hanging when you’re annoyed with her not playing along…the former will make her more curious, the latter might make her just wonder if you’re butthurt.

      “I hemmed and hawed on this and thought I might lose the account but it actually worked.”

      Now be congruent to that lol You know she responds to you not acting like other guys. In my other breakdown of your next text session with her I say to back off and let her do her finals shit, but that doesn’t mean when her finals are done you wait for her to plan a date and shit…you go back to being aggressive/dominant about meeting up, but just give her a couple weeks to get her “real life” shit dealt with schedule-wise.

      “no doubt she meant that for one of her beta orbiters (or fuckbuddies, hey)”

      Or it was meant for a girlfriend and she just used “man” to shit-test whether you get jealous…or there’s no one at all and she was literally just doing it to see what you’d do lol

      “I tried to recover as best as I could by acting like I didn’t really care”

      A better recovery would’ve been just a “lol” then silence for the night (where it’s ambiguous and she can wonder about if you’re mad or not), or a “tsk tsk, leading on a long line of broken-hearted guys chasing you eh? such a player.” followed by silence for the night (where you’re forcing her to react to an accusation and showing that you “get it” that she leads on chumps which separates you from them etc.)

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      • Incredible. That’s my reaction when I’m done reading these kind of break-downs

        Major takeaways for me personally
        1) I’m never using the D-work again
        2) I will tone down relationship talk.
        3) That “burn sesh” text wasn’t a simple mistake.. Damn, these city girls are ruthless lol

        If I can turn this around it will be a good win. I’d rather fuck up with a girl like this I legit find attractive and do it 20 times than achieve smooth-sailing with ones that have become just “meh” in my eyes.

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    • @Immoral and readership, here is an example of my text game with a 26 year old Chinese girl in my social circle…I think with a “bf”, very sexy, and who I’ve been “long gaming”…negging and teasing her, DHVing her when she comes out to our regular parties. So far it’s been all light and she giggles and gives major IOI’s.

      I’m organizing a NY Eve party that is now sold out so she posted a note on my FB group saying she had to work and had 2 tickets for sale to anyone who wanted them. Two? Must be a bloke in there… so here’ s my text game on FB messenger:

      Me: Hey chocolate girl working my eve? (note breezy not giving a shit opener)

      Her: Yes …. Is a temp work
      I am so sad
      I love to go to the party
      But this new year go to work (note sincere qualification and no mention of the second ticket)
      BIG CRYING FACE ICON FROM EMOJI

      Me: Asian Audrey Hepburn (a tease since she’s a part time actress and has some resemblance, but it’s more a neg because the resemblance is so remote it’s a joke)

      Her: BIG SMILING FACE EMOJI

      Me; I’ll cancel the cookies (another neg and call-back humour about last time we danced and she had just started eating a cookie when I approached her and I teased her about not getting crumbs on me. Note how I reference the cookies as an “anchor” to a funny moment we shared)

      BIG CRYING FACE EMOJI (this girl and all younger girls love Emoji(

      Her: I want it (playing into my frame…and a covert shit test)
      .
      Me: I knew u were trouble
      Behave (shit test passed)
      .
      Her: I’m not (qualifying again)
      .
      Me: Not convincing (establish more playful dominance, then quickly change the subject. After sparking attraction, don’t linger too much, move to comfort/rapport)

      Me: What is ur job?
      .
      Her: Waiteress In a private party

      Me: Oh. If u cAn come we’ll have champNge After ur work (note the fucked up punctuation that is the result of iPhone’s spell check but only helps in showing I don’t really give a fuck, but here’s where I switch into my motives)

      Her: Hope I won’t be too late
      .
      Me: I won’t sober and I can use ur help cleAning up DEVIL ICON..the ONLY time I use emoji is if there’s a kind of sex-naughty entendre.

      (now I throw her a qualification line…this is really an asshole move but it will show me something…)

      Her: If I can make over I can help you cleaning up SMILING EMOJI

      Her: Serious

      (this girl took me seriously and is now up for coming out late.

      Me: SEND PHOTO OF ME FROM LAST YEAR”S NY EVE WEARING TUX HOLDING BEER…DHV

      Me: DeAl. I’ll keep a bottle in reserve
      Can’t promise cookies
      .
      Her: Ha ha ha Never mind
      .
      Me: Deal

      Me:
      Just confirm the nameS you switch (plausible deniability)
      .
      Her: Ok When I got it tell you immediately SMILING EMOJI

      So what was this? For me it was pure text game supplementing my face-to-face game and not giving a fuck at all because I think she has a bf. She’s responded “serious” that if she can get out of her work early enough, she’ll come and help me clean up.

      Regardless…now I have a kind of “anchor” next time we meet up….

      Note how I don’t number close her—I have her on some other messenger. Note how I don’t push it, then I throw it out to plausible deniability.

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      • 1) “(note the fucked up punctuation that is the result of iPhone’s spell check but only helps in showing I don’t really give a fuck, but here’s where I switch into my motives)”
        2) “Note how I don’t number close her—I have her on some other messenger.”
        3) “Note how I don’t push it, then I throw it out to plausible deniability.”

        NOTED

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      • Update. She just wrote me to ask if she could come after 1am would she still have to sell her ticket. I said “nah, just come, we’ll have champagne”

        She removed the post.

        Hmmmmmmm. Definite IOI’s.

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  7. “Women, would you rather date Paul Walker (pre-dead, of course) or a waiter that looked exactly like Paul Walker?

    Men, would you rather date Scarlett Johanssen, or a waitress that looked exactly like Scarlett Johanssen?”

    to be used judiciously on bartenders and Starbucks girls. they are super self conscious about not having the fabled “career”, and love to know you don’t care what they do….

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  8. OFF TOPIC: Scarlett Johanson aint that hot. She’s kinda your average shortish good looking JAP with a nose job and throaty voice. Mediocre actress, too. Ditto Natalie Portman. Both very average in all respects.

    But the Cathedral tells you they’re as hot, talented, and intelligent as they come and people believe despite it being utter horseshit.

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    • lolwut. ScarJo is very hot in the bangable sense — maybe not totally classically beautiful. Natalie Portman is cute, but she does have that ‘boyish’ thing going on.

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      • She’s short with a fat ass.

        Without make-up and good lighting she is very average. Perception>Reality.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 4:03 pm Life at Calhoun's Lake

        And with a slut tat to go (just google search her, it’s the second picture). I’d take Portman any day.

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      • Agreed. Portman puts me in mind of Audrey Hepburn which is good.

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      • I like Natalie Portman’s looks too but Audrey Hepburn was a quintessential lady. Therein lies the difference.

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      • Uh….2/10 would not bang in full effect I guess.

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      • Not a 2/10. Definitely about a 6 or a 7, tho.

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      • ya I agree.

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      • “ScarJo is very hot in the bangable sense — maybe not totally classically beautiful. ”

        huh? If Scar Jo is not classically beautiful, I don’t know who is.

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      • Your body is way hotter than Scarjo. She has a lumpy, sagging butt, is chubby, and has short fat legs. This is all well hidden in photo shoots or films. There are some really unflattering photos of her on the Internet. I’ve liked how she looked in a few films, but that isn’t what you wake up to the next morning.

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      • Thanks.

        “but that isn’t what you wake up to the next morning.”

        Suit yourself. I’ll take her. Looks better than the hairy ass I wake up next to every day.

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      • Taylor Swift. She looks like she just walked out of the 1940s in a -good- way.

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      • Taylor Swift is the definition of “boyish”.

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      • Look at how much alpha hollywood cock you’d be dealing with ScarJo though:

        http://theberry.com/2011/11/07/scarlett-johansson-has-an-interesting-dating-history-13-photos/

        I would still bang, as with Portman….but damn. One text from Sean Penn asking ScarJo to “Catch up” anddddddd she’s gone.

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      • hahahah yeah. But at least instead of getting blown off for “Chuck, that dude who wears Ed Hardy and is a complete tool,” you’d be getting blown off for Sean Penn. I’d be ok with that. “Sorry dudebros, date flaked….Ryan Reynolds wants to get back with her.” Therefore, banging her would be such an ego boost that who gives a shit lol

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      • We here at CH have a special name for those like you who don’t mind having other guys take away their girls from them: beta

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      • If he’d be “ok” with Sean Penn taking his girl, I’m thinking more along the lines of “cuckold fetishist”. At least a beta would get angry, mopey, and depressed.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 1:04 am Carlos Danger

        Wow careful corv – don’t insult either Scray or his white-knight in shining armor immortalgaybles. They’ll both cry really hard and veer off into off-topic incoherency while they stroke each other off at ANY sight of criticism. Plenty of examples in this thread and the previous. Some people are just sensitive, I guess.

        Examples: Scray – the self admitted crybaby beta who is so short, no women will look at him who spams this forum because of his Napoleon Complex – was describing a homoerotic fantasy of his, and you should’ve seen how immortalgayboy responded to criticism of his own text game, which essentially consists of writing verbose things that compliment women. He got really upset and started making shit-up about others to feel better about his autistic social awareness.

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      • k Rex, gl AMOGging Sean Penn 🙂

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      • Why are you sending me a smiley face? I am a guy you faggot.

        No wonder you said that you thought a ‘boyish’ woman was cute. LOL.

        I thought you only spammed posts because you were insecure about being new to this. Now we see that it’s also because you are a closet homosexual.

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      • sry 8====D~~~~~(>_0). there u go

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 6:56 pm Carlos Danger

        “I’d be ok with that”

        He didn’t imply that he’d be able to successfully “AMOG” Sean Penn. But he said that you’re a beta for LIKING it.

        Spam the forums less perhaps, and sharpen your reading comprehension skills more.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 7:04 pm immoralgables

        Lol funny to see the group dynamics at play.

        Everyone is to keep Scray down as his old self in order to not upend the social heirarchy.

        End of day though, all you paper alphas and e-badasses show your true colors by doing that.

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      • where did i say i liked it — lulz jk retard i never did. sikk irony. i pity u loyal fan but i must remove my attention from u now bc u r 2 slow witted 4 me.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm Carlos Danger

        Quit stealing my handle asshole.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 7:54 pm Scray is Male Nicole

        Or – immortalcheerleader – we are just sick and tired of seeing his name plastered everywhere. Have you counted how many times he’s posted? He’s a self-admitted short crybaby. But if you want to use your male hamster to rationalize it into something more comforting, go right ahead.

        And look – Scray has posted his typical non-sensical post after being proven wrong, as usual. I am sorry you are so insecure after being shown that you can’t tell the difference between actually preventing Sean Penn from AMOG’ing your girl, and whether or not you care about it regardless. You give game a bad name, and there’s a reason you came here as a crybaby. People like you are why places like HuffPo and Jezebel exist.

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      • Being called out that I’m being a beta for having the mentality of saying “I’m ok with it” if I am successfully AMOG’ed by a better male who stole my girl?

        I know! I will make shit-up and say that my opponent falsely implied that he is more alpha than Sean Penn! That’ll divert attention away from my dumb remark!

        Guys, I posted here about 100 times in the last 5 days. I hope that means I am not still the same sniveling crybaby beta that whined that he was too short to get women. Right guys? Right? 😦

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm Scray is Male Nicole

        Scray confirmed for homosexual. Of course you would mention that the other girl you think is cute also looks ‘boyish.’

        Hurry Scray, go spam here some more with your pearls of wisdom despite being a self-admitted sniveling beta that cried about being too short to get girls. I mean, you only posted about 100 times total in the last few blog post comments section. Get to it!

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      • shut up dick.

        he’s my favorite cat toy tobat around.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm immoralgables

        Nice blog there, faggot

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      • Becca!!!!!

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      • Their english is better than most blacks I meet during Mardi Gras.

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      • ladies, ladies lol there’s enough to go around. feel free to comment on all of my posts. it’s flattering to be so loved.

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      • Scray, we know you are new here, and you need to spam posts because you are an insecure and short little man, but some day you will learn that text game doesn’t work on men in the same way as it works on women, especially on a game blog. we know you are avoiding the topic and trying to reframe into non-sense out of desperation.

        “it’s flattering to be so loved” – yeah, we definitely love you by asking you to put the crack pipe down and stop posting 100 times in 5 days. retard.

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      • Looks like he is pushing your buttons just fine, Rex.
        Maybe his text game does work on men afterall.

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      • In the same way as a mosquito also presses my “buttons”, and how fat chicks press the buttons of CH.

        But it’s not a function of his trite, predictable, and boring cookie-cutter text game replies, like a little boy who learns something new and doesn’t stop trying the same old trick. The annoyance lies in to see his name and dumb remarks plastered everywhere like an autistic child on Adderall.

        Take his dick out of your mouth and open your eyes. I’m not the only person he’s annoying.

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      • Yeah,
        He’s got you worked up bad.
        Since you’re so far advanced compared to his antics, why don’t you help him?
        You would know that, him being a newbie, any attack leveled at him is only going to force him to react defensively, but you already knew that being a master game technician, so I can only assume you’re trying to beat on him to raise your status, dawg.
        At least he’s trying to learn.

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      • in soviet russia, troll FEEDS you! lulz

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      • Last 2 posts are a good example of male hamster.

        Correct resident newbie Scray about a point (being OK with another guy stealing your girl, as he admitted, is beta) and – like women – he and his white-knight friend Patriarch (who may even be Matt King in disguise) become too apoplectic to stay on topic coherently.

        I don’t care about giving this retard tips. I am not going to teach him how to use the archive. I will let him continue to embarrass himself. But I would like it if he stopped spamming the website like a chimpanzee on meth in a manner that annoys people. Also, Patriarch – white-knighting short petulant men with obvious self-esteem problems with things like ‘lol u mad??’ makes you look not just like a beta suck-up, but a retard too. Fat chicks also annoy me. Go white-knight them too.

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      • See, now you’re trying to reframe into nonsense because I’ve cut to the core of your behavior. I can assure you, as would Matt King if he were here, that we are definitely not the same person.
        If you don’t want to help Scray then do your thing, but don’t think no one here is aware of what you’re doing, being mischevious at worst and a pisspoor wingman at best.
        Scray might be posting alot lately and yes for some reason that may bother you. Use it as an opportunity to learn some patience, a vital skill if you plan on dealing with a ton of women. You think he talks alot? You outta meet my girlfriend.

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      • Patriarch – give it a rest. Your white-knighting is taken straight out of Matt King’s book. But at least Matt does it for chicks, and not dudes.

        Scray was schooled on a point, and his replies are all facetious and pedantic, like some kind of low self-esteem short crybaby beta whose ego is too low to stay coherently on topic. Oh wait.. he actually admitted that about himself. No wonder he reframes into non-sense.

        He’s also been outed as a closet homosexual (sending smileys to dudes, having homoerotic fantasies, saying he found boyish looking women to be attractive, etc.)

        And yes, he spams the forum here non-stop. He is worse than Nicole. And how do you defend him? Like a kind of ‘lol he made u mad!’ sort of bad troll (read your previous posts). Yeah – he’s definitely annoying, like a fat chick, so you got me there. Not sure why you think this is a good defense by you, though.

        I’m not going to respond to the other sort of male hamster BS you wrote that tries to make it look more complex than being annoyed at Scray’s non-stop spam and addiction to the reply button. This is a game blog. Your cookie-cutter predictable tricks straight out of game won’t work here.

        And if your gf talks more than Scray, if that’s even fucking possible – you have my condolences.

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      • you know things are bad when you faggots are making me hope the next comment is a Matt King or RD

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      • Here.
        Here is the response you were waiting for.

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    • “Both very average in all respects.” sloppy comment. overstatement. they may not be the hottest women, but neither of them are average.

      and that’s an objective truth, a reality.

      they wouldn’t sell any movie tickets if they were legitimately average looking.

      I’m sensing the an armchair alpha.

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      • Nah. You just don’t get it. Show-biz is the ultimate RE-FRAMING DEVICE. 95% of these celebs are nothing special in looks and especially talent department. It’s illusion and the power of the repeated bullshit.

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      • “Show-biz is the ultimate RE-FRAMING DEVICE. “, Sure. Maybe.

        But now you’re making a different argument to smokescreen away the false truth that you originally presented. What you originally said was that Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman were average-looking, which isn’t true.

        Here are the facts on “average”:

        The *average* woman in her 20s is borderline overweight. The average woman is her 30s is overweight. Here are the BMI stats:
        http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/for-women/whats-a-normal-body-mass-index-for-a-female.html#b

        The celebs have nicer figures that what is statistically average.

        Take look at what a 5 looks really like (with make up):
        Attractive Face Scale

        Here’s Scarlett:
        http://hdwallpaperspictures.com/scarlett-johansson/

        Here’s Natalie:

        The celebs are objectively prettier than an “average” woman.

        While people have preferences, and there are certainly women in the world who are much,much more beautiful than the celebs in question, the fact is Natalie Portman and are clearly more attractive than what is average.

        You seem to 1) harbor a bias against “show-biz” or 2) have a thing against makeup on women in general or 3) have invented a way to make yourself feel special by fantasizing that you have some secret knowledge that others are too dumb to miss (Hollywood is the ultimate reframing charade…everyone is too dumb to notice!).

        You can of course just man up and admit your original point was just hyperbole. You might try it. There’s a good chance that you’ll experience tremendous personal growth once you release yourself from the know-it-all-tough-guy identity that pushes you to post and then defend meritless comments.Bullshit gets squashed around here and in life in general.

        That’s all I have to say. I made my point and hope you become a better person as a result of this. Facts are facts.

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    • Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman are both Jewish, and my guess is that you’re hindbrain senses it.

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    • The same holds true for all Hollywood celebrities, male and female: http://www.goodlookingloser.com/2013/12/03/hollywood-loves-your-inferiority-complex-part-1/ We can all agree the what we see on the screen is hot, however.

      There are no ugly women (almost), there are just lazy women.

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    • Scarlett Johanson’s stunt double has all the moves, date her.

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  9. “Or worse”

    Worse, for whom?

    Surely not us.

    And those values listed are liberal Anglo-American Enlightenment values, certainly not those of Europe throughout most of her history.

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  10. Fred C. Dobbs, now there’s a great handle. I am thinking of changing mine to Emahray Trolle.

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  11. Also, a fair amount of women would prefer to marry Walker’s ashes than your average nice guy.

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  12. “Women, would you rather date Paul Walker (pre-dead, of course) or a waiter that looked exactly like Paul Walker?”

    Of course every typical woman would choose the former. This explains why in a society where women are given equal rights only the top 40% of men get all of the women, and the rest of us get next to nothing (or nothing at all)–until the women get old, fat and useless. Things were so much better in pre-modern times when women were generally expected to be housewives and there was monogamy for everyone.

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    • At least the solution is simple: become an alpha.

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      • Alpha is graded on the curve, creating a race condition, like blacks selling blacks as slaves to whites, or reds selling furs to get guns to conquer neighboring reds. The concept of alpha is simple, but not societal, and not obtainable for nearly all by definition. Time to evolve from pussy awareness to civilized self-awareness called patriarchy, gents.

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      • Agreed, but in the meantime most men are too callow to ever learn Game.

        Anybody reading this has the ability to get into that top 40% and enjoy the benefits thereof. Society I feel sympathy for – but not the men who are too weak to read this and use it.

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      • I don’t know how we measure the top percentage threshold vis-a-vis the benefits. I am structurally unemployed and not seeing any real benefits with Game other than not digging my hole any more which is some relief. I would play opportunity far differently with Dark Enlightenment. The vag only wants The One sperm, so I would argue that in a fem-centric sociality, not actual culture, the benefits begin at top 5% and are in full force at around top 1%. What benefits my inferiors is toxic to me. Welfare makes only scum thrive. The middle class keeping up with the Jones’ are doing it with lesser disposables made in China, with more time at ‘work’ and less disposable time, with more dehumanization in living patterns that are monotonically worsening. Admittedly, that is my subjective opinion with a view from the omega position. I don’t know how to take an emperically objective reading. Sympathy is for suckers of feminism, so I’m all out. Empathy, maybe. If you have a logical basis for 40%, it might make a great blog post. Even anecdotal evidence could be interesting. I for one don’t believe the Western economies are growing. I think it is a lie that conflates maldistribution with productive activity. I think the liquidation of the West is counted in GDP. If true, the winners in absolute terms would be a very slim percentage. In a mental way, one could argue I have already won, but we are not only mental beings and my hourglass is running.

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      • Why do women act so utterly selfishly at all times?

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      • too much reality, doug

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  13. @yareally ; @immoralgables

    Field Report

    So this is a field report from “Girl 2”.

    You can read the background information here: http://bit.ly/1brkTdP

    Our first time meeting up face-to-face since she gave me her number two months ago. We agree to meet up at a nice, fancy bar. Took YaReally’s advice and stopped sexualizing once we had made plans. Reason for this is so not to trigger ASD. She told me she was going to bring her friend, I ribbed her a little bit about this. 30 minutes before the meet up she announces she’s bringing two friends. Going into this my expectations for a lay are already low I can’t bring her back with my primary in bed, so point is just to practice taking from a pickup to meet up and see where things go. Lame logistics.

    I end up getting to the bar late and it’s full so suggest a new bar where my friend happens to be. She brings her friends. We meet 90 minutes later than planned. (I actually think showing up late is a good thing for a number of reasons. 1) women tend to be late 2) she knows you aren’t over eager 3) she can drink and get relaxed before you arrive. My only recommendation is to be gentlemanly about it, eg. if you’re meeting her at 10, text her at 10 that you are going to be late. Control the frame on time, but don’t make the girl pissy.)

    Here’s what’s going through her mind just before the point of meet up: I met this guy a couple months ago at a party, I think I was attracted to him, and his personality over text is interesting and flirtatious, but I was drinking when I met him and maybe I’m not 100% confident in my decision. Plus it’s been two months and maybe something radically changed with him in that time period. If I am in fact attracted to him, I’d like to fuck him, but I’m bringing my friends along because if I did in fact make a judgement, and he is in fact boring or weird, then I’m going to bounce and not sacrifice my evening for a lame guy.

    Here’s what’s going through my mind: I’m a cool guy, I’m attractive, I know how not to be a pussy, she’s probably going to want to fuck me, I’m planning to escalate and curious how it’ll be received. Very relaxed state. First impression…she’s a 7, not an 8. Her body is tight, and face is cute. Professional, works for a fashion company. She’s well dressed but could have sexed it up a little bit more.

    I embrace YaReally’s advice to escalate the moment she arrives. Warm welcome “Hey come over here”, embrace, peck on the cheek, establish a chill vibe like we’ve already banged. I’m expressing that I’m confident and comfortable being sexual with her. This state is very different mindset then, “I want this girl to like me so we can bang.” or “I’m charming and witty so let me prove it and seduce this girl” or “I’m successful so she’s going to like that.” Those states lack confidence. The mindset is simply, “I’m a stud, babe, you know that, I know that, I don’t need to prove it. Let’s escalate verbally and physically and be cool about it.”

    Within 30 minutes it goes from standing next to each other, to arm around the waist, to one-second peck on the lips, to her tongue down my throat, she’s asking where do we go next? Long story short, logistics were a problem. I had no place to really isolate. Her friends got cranky that they weren’t getting any action (they told her I was “rude” because I paid no attention to them). Told her to go with her friends to club X and we can meet up late night. I text her later informing that I actually can’t meet up. Just didn’t want to wait, needed to sleep. Next day she’s calling (people still do that?) and reaching out sexually over text. Not even sure I want to consummate, lol.

    Biggest hole in my game has been escalating naturally, this FR is the first time I felt really in control of my escalation, as opposed to using the “hail mary” technique (Get her to come out, I’ll play it cool, we’ll get drunk, at some point I may see an opening and have the balls to try a make out, and hopefully it will turn into sex.). Banged a lot of chicks, but escalation has been my weak point, just trying to improve. A few things I want to mention:

    1) Aloofness has no place in a day 1 meet up. The “I’m the shit and you’re not worthy of my engagement” mentality comes off as shy and afraid to push the date forward. Aloofness may not destroy your chances of getting laid sometimes, if your girl is super, super into you, but you’re realistically lowering you lay probability by playing it super cool. Aloofness is appealing after the lay, but creates a confusing frame for the girl if you’re doing a day 1 meet up. If you play aloof and laconic in person when meeting a girl for the first time, she’s thinking the following:

    – does he like me?
    – Is there something wrong with me?
    – Is he not sexually confident?
    – This is fucking boring.

    Instead of cool and emotionally remote, ideally you are:

    1) in a relaxed state like she’s an old lay from back in the day
    2) maintaining strong eye contact and speaking confidently
    3) guiding the conversation, preferably to something superficial and sexual
    4) physically escalating immediately

    …rather than playing it cool. This communicates “I know what I’m doing, you can get comfortable with me now, and we can start progressing to sex.”

    A bit about body position. I was standing, slight lean against the wall. I think standing is far better than sitting. A lot easier to put your arm around a girls waist from a standing position, and gives her the spatial freedom where she subconsciously knows “I can back off if this gets too heavy since I’m in not corner, he’s a natural, he’s not trying to force things”, which makes her more comfortable. Standing also allows you to vary your physical intimacy and gauge hers during a the course of a conversation. Talking to her from an almost perpendicular angle is very masculine (men talk shoulder to shoulder; women face to face), so start with a side conversation. If you are aligned face to face from the get go you’re subconsciously communicating that you’re either 1) feminine or 2) too ready to accept her emotionally before enough intimacy has been established (beta). As intimacy increases, the woman will get closer and try to physically get her body to face you, waist-to-waist (one exception: she’s super, super shy and submissive women who prefer you take total control.).

    A bit about escalation. Properly executed, no need for escalation to take more than an hour. Honestly, if your on Day 1 and you can’t escalate to a make out within an hour, I’m not sure there’s much hope long term. Great to start off discussing something that’s lightly sexual immediately. It frames the interaction from the outset as sexual, you’ll probably get a laugh out of the discussion and it might be a bonding moment. (Not talking about going full-blown perv, just communicating that you’re not uptight and cool with sex.) Transition from discussion to physical, hand at the back of the waist for a bit, communicates intimacy. Low talk in her ear to turn intimacy up. Invent a reason to peck her on the lips for a second think a peck on the lip. (Is that lip gloss, does it make your lips feel smooth? → peck → eh, not bad). She’ll start reciprocating touching, getting physically closer. Can transition to a make-out and then leave for a lay. Trying to escalate from a point of aloofness comes off as pervy. If you can’t up to the peck point, or get rejected at the peck, then just consider mission vagina is mission impossible and bounce to another bar.

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    • Fucking excellent and thanks for sharing. This is probably one of the best and most thorough field reports in a long time. You broke down every stage of the interaction and then same.

      Thanks Darkhorse, this is going to be tried out on my date I have tonight with this chick:

      https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/comment-of-the-week-getting-to-the-id-of-it/#comment-502831

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    • Solid breakdown. I don’t even really have anything to add, you broke it down yourself really well lol I’m just posting to say I agree with all your conclusions.

      “Biggest hole in my game has been escalating naturally, this FR is the first time I felt really in control of my escalation, as opposed to using the “hail mary” technique (Get her to come out, I’ll play it cool, we’ll get drunk, at some point I may see an opening and have the balls to try a make out, and hopefully it will turn into sex.).”

      Ya, that’s the point of a lot of my stuff, is that you’re making high-% plays and setting frames that allow sex/escalation to happen more naturally instead of crossing your fingers and hoping “it turns into” sex lol You’re the man, you make this shit happen, but you do it in a cool fun social congruent sexy adventurous way.

      And again, I learned all this shit through fucking up myself. I had a LOT of day2’s where we had fun, but I hadn’t crossed that “barrier” of being sexual or physical with her and it’s like the longer the date goes on the thicker that barrier becomes until you feel like it’s just way too awkward to cross it.

      By doing stuff like a quick kiss at the beginning and basically treating her the way you’d treat her if she was already your girlfriend, you’re neutralizing that barrier before it can form…and if she doesn’t go “OMG!!” and literally run away screaming into the night, but instead sticks around (even if she goes “omg nooo!! giggle giggle” and denies you the kiss but sticks around), she’s basically communicating “I understand that hanging around you means you’re going to try to fuck me, and I’m okay with that because I’m choosing to still hang around you…maybe you can’t escalate to sex right NOW, but that’s something I’m open to if you baby-step it and run solid game”

      “Long story short, logistics were a problem. I had no place to really isolate. Her friends got cranky that they weren’t getting any action (they told her I was “rude” because I paid no attention to them). Told her to go with her friends to club X and we can meet up late night.”

      This was the solid play even if you had a bed to bang her in, because her friends were cranky. Often I’ll tell the girl “go have fun with your friends, I’ll txt you later” so they can have their time with her, but later in the night after they’ve all had their adventure together, her and I begin txting eachother and arranging a meet-up (“tell your friends you’re tired and going home and come meet me at Bar for last call”) and isolate back to my place or hers for the lay.

      If you can win the friends over, cool, but if you have enough attraction like you did, you can let her go play and trust that you’ll meet up with her later.

      Another key is not escalating too far with her early in the night if you don’t have a clear green light on logistics to bang, so you leave her hanging and wanting closure on the tingles you stirred up…so before I leave her, I’ll give her one last super-hot kiss or if I’m feeling cruel (lol this cruel one is actually more solid to me tho) I’ll get up in her space and stare her down and allllllllmost kiss her and then right before we kiss just back off and say “have fun, I’ll txt you in a bit ;)” and leave her hanging lol

      “I text her later informing that I actually can’t meet up. Just didn’t want to wait, needed to sleep. Next day she’s calling (people still do that?) and reaching out sexually over text. Not even sure I want to consummate, lol.”

      lol for the record, if you DID have a bed to bang her in, this was probably a 100% lay. You could’ve gotten her to meet up around midnight or so for last call and gone back to your place to bang, super easy.

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      • She’s reaching out and trying to introduce a less sexual frame: “How about we do lunch this week?”

        A pure beta would say ok. A beta with alpha aspirations would go for hair-trigger sexual reframe (example: “how about you just come over to my place instead late night”) that communicates desperation. A flat out ignore is probably too, too aloof, and incongruent. This is probably the perfect moment to use an ellipse to playfully communicate lack of interest in the proposition.

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      • Actually audibled. T

        hink ellipse and silence can be misread as bitter and expectant. “he’s trying to shut me down because he expected the lay.” Danger is strengthening the ASD move.

        Just playfully told her lunch was tough since I work and can’t work since it’s uncouth to grope her daylight. She knows my frame is sexual and can lose me if she doesn’t submit, and that if I don’t get what I want it won’t be a big deal.

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      • Your response about groping daylight was slick and ordinarily would be awesome…buuuut in this particular situation:

        Her ASD is going off because you got her to (in a woman’s mind) shamelessly throw herself at you for sex (by agreeing to meet up later that night) and then flaked on her.

        Tone down the sexual shit, it’s already on like donkey kong. Don’t necessarily go to lunch because logistically if either of you has a job then lunch is difficult to escalate to sex (tho I did invite a new chick over for lunch and just escalated as soon as she showed up at the door, no sandwiches required lol but that was a pretty lucky break and I don’t recommend trying it).

        But DO pitch a less sexual day2(3?) that can logistically be escalated to sex. ie – “evenings work better for me. let’s grab dinner/drinks at Lounge around 7. We’ll have you home in time to get your beauty sleep for work don’t worry lol” or like “evenings work better for me. Let’s grab drinks at Lounge around 7. But just drinks tonight, I have an early day at work tomorrow so I need my sleep.”

        Note there’s nothing sexual in that AND I’m implying that we won’t even sleep together. Her ASD is saying “I need you to agree to a non-sexual date that won’t lead to sex to make up for my acting like a slut the other night wanting to fuck you”. So give her that, but on your terms in a situ that she can PRETEND won’t lead to sex (drinks in the early evening and you’re telling her she can’t stay over). That satisfies her ASD even tho she sub-consciously knows it’s a trap…you both want to fuck, you’re working together to tip-toe around her ASD so you can bang.

        Being sexual is forcing her to agree to a meet up where she has to be a slut so right now that’s going to do more harm than good. It can still work out but it’s the lower % play in this situ.

        Then on the date you just be sexual and escalate and bang that night, no big deal…once she’s out on the date it’s on, you just need to get past her ASD right now to get her out on that date.

        You could’ve avoided all of this if you had just banged her that night. That’s why I say don’t do a full hardcore makeout at the bar with a girl who isn’t already a fuckbuddy unless you have a clear path logistically to a place to fuck her. Cause her admitting she wants to fuck is her being slutty and if you flake or can’t logistically work the lay out, her ASD goes off and she flakes or you have to pull back and try to sneak in thru the asexual friend zone.

        Make sense?

        Ellipses, gay, etc are all stupid, don’t use those right now lol

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      • She asked if we could do dinner. Avoided question and said were doing handcuffs if she keeps interrupting my work…response. is that she is down to let me take the lead. Aggressive play.

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      • @darkhorse

        Agree to dinner, turn off the sexuality, and when she shows up just escalate to sex.

        You can keep being sexual and shoot for getting her to just come directly over to your place to fuck, but you’re taking needless chances on a low % play, you know? Once the meet-up is “real” in her mind (like “8pm at Lounge” VS a vague “we’ll do dinner sometime” or “we’ll hang out next week”), ASD starts hunting for “wait, am I being slutty here? Does he think I’m going to put out? Does he think I’m a slut?” and too much sexual talk can force her to flake.

        You could do it for the learning experience, like push for her just coming directly over. I did that for a couple years with online chicks because I didn’t want to spend money on drinks/dinner so I would just escalate with them until I could get them to drive to my apartment (sometimes from another city lol) where I could escalate as soon as I answered the door and bang them without having to go on a day 2…so it’s totally possible, but it wasn’t a solid play.

        So if you don’t mind risking her flaking, go nuts, but if you want the solid/consistent play, turn off the sex and go for drinks at a Lounge near your place and turn the sex back on as soon as you’re face to face (and ideally just have one drink and bail to bang lol). Her ASD will shut off as soon as you’re face to face because she WANTS to bang you…it’s just getting her face to face without her flaking is where the ASD often throws monkey wrenches in.

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      • Told her we could do dinner but we haven’t solidified plans. Been a little less responsive with text. She’s the one being openly sexual over text now, msging me that she’s thinking about my tongue in her mouth.

        Haven’t responded, feel like kind of just ignoring and sewing up plans with good logistics. Often, in situations like these, I hit a road bump of emotional ambivalence. My dick like the idea of banging her, but I also start anticipating her disappointment. She’s pushing to get banged, and I already visualize the “be my boyfriend” pressure that’s going to materialize immediately after if we do.

        I guess what she’s getting from me now is the “aloof vibe” that women find attractive. They have feelings, they think those feelings might be reciprocated, but are unsure. Thus they have to make a play, and end up spreading their legs to lock down the guy. Note that aloofness is effective at a certain point, after a bit of physical escalation, and continued interest by the girl.

        My typical consummation pattern in these situations is pump and dump, mainly because I’ve never been able to handle the delicate emotional aftermath that these situations bring to bear after we fuck. I know if I lay her I’m going to be hit with texts to do boyfriend things, dinner, brunch, etc. I don’t have time for that.

        Wondering how best to handle the frame to keep things casual, FB-status, discreet, without the residual awkwardness that comes after she gives me her pussy and then, with hope in her heart, asks where we stand the day after. Too often it’s a non-response from me. I realize I can be a lot more “graceful”, and think it can only pay dividends.

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  14. Of all the comments, that was the least insightful. Asians do not care much for those dogmatic values because they hinder pragmatic thought, and often conflict with self interest. Freedom, rights, and opportunity are the same instruments leftists use to destabilize and divide your societies. Most Asians are content if we are free enough to accumulate substantial wealth, and enjoy said wealth without much interference. Which we do. The government cracking down on dissidents and troublesome minorities does not concern the majority, in fact, it usually maintains stability and prevents leftist extremism from growing out of control.

    Furthermore, I would argue that East Asia, particularly China, IS a freer place when it comes to idea and economics. It is a wild west where you can essentially do anything you can get away with, including illegal stuff. The difference is that while the West enforces a blanket notion of “freedom”, China enforces “blind spots” where you can’t go. So unless your brilliant invention idea involves Uyghur independence or something, it’s not really a problem.

    “Small government” ideals are mostly an invention of American conservatism, not really shared by nationalists of rightists around the world. You believe that in a more anarchic world with government interference, your merits and “rugged individualism” will simply outshine the pampered and dependent leftists. Which may very well be. But is that all you want? Because it seems to me this stance is a secondary, fall-back position after nationalism has suffered repeated defeats.

    I prefer a strong government, big or small, that serves the interests of the ethnostate through whatever means necessary. For example, if someone in China tried to start an independent organization that was pro-minority, or sympathetic to Tibetan separatism, or “anti-racist”/ANTIFA, etc, the government would disband them and hound the people involved. Even feminist organizations are not legally allowed unless its linked to the official Women’s association, which is in turn controlled by the government via university liaisons. We would, of course protest if such measures were taken against “patriotic” movements, hypocrisy being a basic tool of self interest.

    In simpler terms, you’re a victim of your own idealism. Like any conflict, the goal is to do to your ideological opponents what you would NOT want done to yourself. When you espouse equal standards, your opponents will use that against you by holding you to those standards. And lest anyone thinks the left holds equal standards, ask yourselves, what happens when a leftist is accused of bigotry? How long does it stay on the news, if at all? Would they hold a leftist leader to their own standards? Or do they just nitpick the right? Do their standards of treatment and empathy extend to all you mean, old, straight, cis, white, rich, Christian, males? Or do they believe anything is justified in “hating the haters”? Remember, inside every leftist ideologue, there’s a little Robespierre.

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  15. “America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” – Claire Wolfe; 101 Things to Do ‘Til the Revolution (1996)

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  16. i like the Chinese. ancestor worship is much more meaningful than dead jew hung on a stick worship.

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    • Oh look, another juvenile dumbass who thinks snark is a thunderous debate tactic. If you had a legitimate criticism or point to make about Christianity, it might be worth posting, but because you’re too stupid to understand the Christian religion, you, like so many other low-IQ SWPL hipsters, have to try to reduce it down to a ridiculously over-simplified idea so that you can comprehend it enough to try to ridicule it. Fail.

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  17. Runner up #2 is the opening line of a book. http://billstclair.com/lodge/Books101.shtm

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  18. For the seemingly concerned:

    Most of the problems you folks bring up are not game enders, if even significant. Pollution in an industrializing country is not unusual, the assumption that the pollutants permanently shit up the country does not seem to correlate with the experiences of industrial Britain or the US, but we’re keeping an eye on it.

    Radiation in Japan is a non-issue, overblown by poor understanding of science and a bizarre, sensationalist attitude found amongst survivalists/conspiracy theorists. Assuming 10,000 Japanese deaths over the next century are linked to Fukushima (I’d be surprised if there’s 100), the tradeoff in afforadable power would still have been worth it. You wanna do the every-life-is-precious! thing, find a white girl.

    The male-female discrepancy in China is also insignificant. At highest estimate, there would be 30 million excess men, which isn’t really a lot by Chinese standards. How exactly this would wreck us, I’ve yet to understand. The only foreseeable threat is that bringing foreign brides into the country will increase multiculturalism. If they move to other countries, then no problem. If they become angry loners at home, that just might boost nationalism.

    It is true that China experiences real estate bubbles, but again, until the economy hits a plateau, such bubbles are only setbacks. There’s no reason to believe that the average Chinese cannot achieve a per capita GDP at least closer to those in Japan or Korea, and should that happen on a national scale, then the Chinese economy still has plenty of room to grow. It is possible that at the end of phenomenal growth, there will be an “overshoot” in the form of a large crash similar to 90s Japan, but by then, China should already be the world’s largest economy.

    Birth rates however, are a very real problem that requires much attention. There is hope in me that China, given its immense size, will always have a demographic of poor peasants to churn out babies for the nation, but that remains to be seen. In the end, we may end up victims of our own financial success like Japan or Korea. At the moment, nobody has a real solution. Japan has tried subsidies, and even anonymous infant-deposit boxes for unwanted babies, all to no avail. If there is an obstacle facing Asians (and successful countries everywhere), birth rates would be #1.

    —-

    Regarding dead Chinese people:

    Every time there is a revolution, tens of millions die. Even in peacetime, the bureaucracy can’t make a decision without wiping out a few villages. The cart doesn’t stop just because some are crushed under the wheels.

    It’s not a big deal. We’ve got flesh to burn.

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    • And those last two paragraphs should give any Westerner pause about turning over the world to Chinese supremacy.

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      • It should give feminists pause concerning weakening our civilization. As soon as the opportunity presents itself…

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      • Feminists are women whose hamsters have well and truly escaped the ball, and are running wild, with no chance of containment. They will never understand what kind of damage they’re doing to Western civilization, or why it matters. And most likely will never connect the dots. Not even in the presence of a second, worldwide Dark Age.

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      • I don’t blame the feminists anymore than I blame ants for chewing up babies left unattended on the ground in Africa. Feminism is a natural reaction to the absence of masculine men to keep them in line, the opportunistic ugly bitter old manjaws lording it over anyone who will defer to them like spoiled children with no respect for boundaries, while any female deemed fuckable or close enough to it instantly recieves tons of attention from the hordes of beta nobodies, sending her own perception of her sexual market value through the roof, turning her into an entitled little bitchfit waiting to happen the second someone unworthy breathes her air.
        Fighting feminism is useless unless you
        restore the masculinity in men which will automatically cause the women to fall in line.

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      • Why? It would be a much better world. Just gotta break a few eggs.

        Trouble is, China does not desire supremacy, at least not in the American sense. All that interventionism seems terribly unprofitable. Unless there’s a chance pacify, sinicize and incorporate a region into the Sinosphere, it’s just not worth it.

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      • No, America doesn’t want to rule the world. It rose to the top as a combination of industrial capacity and military efficacy after WWII. America doesn’t necessarily desire supremacy either, but it happened, and we try to take responsibility for it. The intentions are at least good.

        The problem with China is… Chinese culture.

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      • If as a philosopher one wishes to instruct oneself about what has taken place on the globe, one must first of all turn one’s eyes towards the East, the cradle of all arts, to which the West owes everything. – Voltaire

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      • No sane and reasoning man with even a modicum of historical knowledge would question that Asians built amazing societies and civilizations. But it strains credulity to say we owe -everything-. The Minoans and Greeks were building civilization quite nicely along with Chinese during the same time period. The Greeks left us “a few” of their own ideas, arts, philosophies, etc.

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    • It’s not a big deal. We’ve got flesh to burn.

      modern chinese winningest slave race yet

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  19. You forgot to add that asians are fucking boring as hell. Whites are always mocked for being “white-bread” and lame, when asians are actually the undisputed champions of lame. Sure, they can sometimes be entertaining in an unselfconcious manner (GODZIRRAAA!), but that’s about it. An asian dominated world would be about as fun as watching paint dry.

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  20. As for the Chinese–their civilization probably peaked in the Tang dynasty, around a thousand years ago, in terms of absolute cultural achievement, size of their empire, strength of their armies & trade networks, etc. Of course that was all brought to ashes by one Khan, Genghis.

    Just because the population of China is larger now, rather than then, does not mean their empire is any better now than it was before the Khan’s rule of terror. It may be bigger, but it’s definitely not brighter than during the Tang era. Or even the slightly less bright, but less extravagant Ming dynasty.

    Long story short, the Asian world dominance idea is pretty farcical in the post industrial era.

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  21. on December 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

    see Great Leap Forward, where between 1962 -1958 a total of 45 million Chinese died due to Mao’s policy of forced resettlement and collectivization.

    Actually, there were 30 million deaths in the great famine, and it lasted from 1958-1961. But what’s more interesting is the comparison between the developmental history of China and neighboring India, from the late 1940s on, when both countries underwent a dramatic change (independence for India, revolution for China.

    If we compare China’s success in reducing mortality rates to India, we see that

    “…had China’s lower mortality rates prevailed in India there would have been about 3.8 million fewer deaths a year around the middle 1980’s. That indicates that ever eight years or so more people in addition die in India – in comparison with Chinese mortality rates – than the total number that died in the gigantic Chinese famine…” (Amartya Sen, “Indian Development: Lessons and Nonlessons,” Daedalus Vol. 118, No.4, 1989. p. 384).

    (If you prefer the 45 million figure, than the same number of Indians died every 12 years).

    Before anyone brings up any “HBD”related points about comparisons between the populations of India and China, note that the Indian state of Kerala, long under Leftist rule and in sharp contrast to the rest of India, experienced declines in mortality rates similar to China (ibid., p. 388). Furthermore, life expectancy in China underwent a sharp downturn following the market-based reforms of Deng Xiaoping in the late 1970s (ibid., pp. 385-87). As Sen (a Nobel Laureate) writes in section 5 of the article linked below:

    “[T]he economic reforms of 1979 greatly improved the working and efficiency of Chinese agriculture and industry; but the Chinese government also eliminated, at the same time, the entitlement of all to public medical care (which was often administered through the communes). Most people were then required to buy their own health insurance, drastically reducing the proportion of the population with guaranteed health care….

    …The change sharply reduced the progress of longevity in China. Its large lead over India in life expectancy dwindled during the following two decades—falling from a fourteen-year lead to one of just seven years.

    The Chinese authorities, however, eventually realized what had been lost, and from 2004 they rapidly started reintroducing the right to medical care. China now has a considerably higher proportion of people with guaranteed health care than does India. The gap in life expectancy in China’s favor has been rising again, and it is now around nine years; and the degree of coverage is clearly central to the difference.”

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/may/12/quality-life-india-vs-china/

    Other countries, such as Sri Lanka and post-1975 (Communist) Vietnam have made similar strides in mortality reduction through investments in health care (ibid., pp. 376, 380-82). Bangladesh has also done much better than India in this regard, even though that country is much poorer. (See Section 2 of the NYRB article directly above).

    Here’s another article by Sen and his collaborator Jean Dreze, with a handy chart comparing India to neighboring countries along several development markers.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278843

    These facts indicate that it was the policies that Maoist China implemented that caused the reductions in mortality rates, not population differences.

    As Mark Twain put it in “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”:

    “There were two ‘Reigns of Terror,’ if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the ‘horror’ of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

    Reactionaries and liberals alike shed crocodile tears for the 30 million Chinese who died in the Great Leap Forward, but 30 million people every eight years died as a result of India’s tiny steps forward, an atrocity “which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

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  22. on December 7, 2013 at 6:45 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

    see Great Leap Forward, where between 1962 -1958 a total of 45 million Chinese died due to Mao’s policy of forced resettlement and collectivization.

    Actually, there were 30 million deaths in the great famine, and it lasted from 1958-1961. But what’s more interesting is the comparison between the developmental history of China and neighboring India, from the late 1940s on, when both countries underwent a dramatic change (independence for India, revolution for China.

    If we compare China’s success in reducing mortality rates to India, we see that

    “…had China’s lower mortality rates prevailed in India there would have been about 3.8 million fewer deaths a year around the middle 1980′s. That indicates that ever eight years or so more people in addition die in India – in comparison with Chinese mortality rates – than the total number that died in the gigantic Chinese famine…” (Amartya Sen, “Indian Development: Lessons and Nonlessons,” Daedalus Vol. 118, No.4, 1989. p. 384).

    (If you prefer the 45 million figure, than the same number of Indians died every 12 years).

    Before anyone brings up any “HBD”related points about comparisons between the populations of India and China, note that the Indian state of Kerala, long under Leftist rule and in sharp contrast to the rest of India, experienced declines in mortality rates similar to China (ibid., p. 388). Furthermore, life expectancy in China underwent a sharp downturn following the market-based reforms of Deng Xiaoping in the late 1970s (ibid., pp. 385-87). As Sen (a Nobel Laureate) writes in section 5 of the article linked below:

    “[T]he economic reforms of 1979 greatly improved the working and efficiency of Chinese agriculture and industry; but the Chinese government also eliminated, at the same time, the entitlement of all to public medical care (which was often administered through the communes). Most people were then required to buy their own health insurance, drastically reducing the proportion of the population with guaranteed health care….

    …The change sharply reduced the progress of longevity in China. Its large lead over India in life expectancy dwindled during the following two decades—falling from a fourteen-year lead to one of just seven years.

    The Chinese authorities, however, eventually realized what had been lost, and from 2004 they rapidly started reintroducing the right to medical care. China now has a considerably higher proportion of people with guaranteed health care than does India. The gap in life expectancy in China’s favor has been rising again, and it is now around nine years; and the degree of coverage is clearly central to the difference.”

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/may/12/quality-life-india-vs-china/

    Other countries, such as Sri Lanka and post-1975 (Communist) Vietnam have made similar strides in mortality reduction through investments in health care (ibid., pp. 376, 380-82). Bangladesh has also done much better than India in this regard, even though that country is much poorer. (See Section 2 of the NYRB article directly above).

    Here’s another article by Sen and his collaborator Jean Dreze, with a handy chart comparing India to neighboring countries along several development markers.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278843

    These facts indicate that it was the policies that Maoist China implemented that caused the reductions in mortality rates, not population differences.

    As Mark Twain put it in “A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court”:

    “There were two ‘Reigns of Terror,’ if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the ‘horror’ of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

    Reactionaries and liberals alike shed crocodile tears for the 30 million Chinese who died in the Great Leap Forward, but 30 million people every eight years died as a result of India’s tiny steps forward, an atrocity “which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”

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    • And Cuba is a superior society because it has better health care, yes?

      See, this is the kind of drivel that warps impressionable.

      Assuming that sustainability is the primary concern (it’s not), the Kerala model is only sustainable because it’s not a nation unto itself. It’s a myth perpetuated by social scientists to get dumb 3rd worlders into believing that they can live comfortably, and remain an unindustrialized hole. Kerala is basically a little backwater where its citizens can live in relative peace only because they can fulfill their career needs in other parts of India. In other words, the mess and suffering that stems from capitalistic competition was simply outsourced to other states. If Kerala was a country, the people would be wondering where the jobs, the industry, the centralized government was. What do you think happens when there isn’t any?

      People dying from hunger and cold is a left wing specialty. The closest solution is a society enriched by raw, materialistic capitalism. Not all capitalist countries are successful, but precisely zero leftist countries are successful. Unless you count scraping by as success.

      And what use is health care if your country is shit in every other aspect? The best scenario a leftist can offer is only comparable to a first world nation… in one aspect. I prefer to live in a place with health care, and excess capital, and high technology, and geopolitical significance, and a respectable military. You know, a civilized country.

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      • Kerala’s secret is education, they produce a lot of lawyers and doctors who go elsewhere in India and send money home. Kerala itself doesn’t really have much of an economy on its own.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 11:43 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        And Cuba is a superior society because it has better health care?

        Cuba is superior to, say, Guatemala, with respect to health care (and many other things).

        Assuming that sustainability is the primary concern (it’s not), the Kerala model is only sustainable because it’s not a nation unto itself.

        Kerala was exactly one data point in the case I laid out above. The fact that Kerala is not a sovereign state is irrelevant, because China, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Vietnam (the other data points I mentioned) are all sovereign states.

        People dying from hunger and cold is a left wing specialty.

        How is 30 million people dying from starvation over a three year period in Maoist China worse than 30 million dead people every 8 years in social-democratic India?

        “The best scenario a leftist can offer is only comparable to a first world nation… in one aspect.”

        I wasn’t comparing “leftist” third-world countries to first-world countries. I was comparing third-world countries that invest in health care to third world countries that don’t.

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      • on December 7, 2013 at 11:44 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        Also, the comparison between Maoist China and Dengist China with respect to mortality rates is another data point.

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      • You’ve missed the point, which is that having health care is no justification for leftism, a failed ideology. None of the sovereign states you list is governed according to the Kerala model, the only similarity being that they all have health care. So do many other countries. In essence, what you’ve managed to say is that having health care is better than not having health care. Of course it does. But it turns out aggressive, greedy capitalist societies are much better at providing all other needs, plus a health care system on top when they wish. The leftist regimes you showcase can provide good intentions and a degree of social care, but not much else.

        You may notice that post reform China no longer loses millions regularly to famines or droughts. And therein lies the difference. Improvement. At some point, you accumulate enough wealth to shelter you from these problems. In a commune, your well intentioned (assuming) but equally poor neighbors can only help you so much. You want to live in such a society, then you will always be exposed to the dangers of poverty. Which is why China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka have all come to embrace capitalism, btw.

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      • on December 8, 2013 at 12:57 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        You missed the point from the beginning. I was never comparing “leftism” to anything else (India in the period under consideration was itself “leftist”). I was asking why the 30 million Chinese who would have lived if it hadn’t been for the Great Leap Forward is a bigger tragedy than the 120 million or so Indians who would have lived had India adopted China’s aggressive health care policies. You never answered that question.

        By the way, describing post-reform China’s system of heavily statist, export-oriented industrialization as “capitalism” is dubious at best.

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      • Don’t be ridiculous. Unless you’re counting all cases of infant mortality, or everybody who ever died in India for any reason, there’s no way India has had that many excess deaths. With the Great Leap Forward and the Holodomor, there’s no question that commie incompetence and arrogance — not to mention the absolute disregard for human life — is squarely to blame.

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      • What history teaches us is that living by ideology is a losing strategy, and pragmaticism is best.

        The Chinese have been pragmatic since 1979 and it has done much more good than 60+ years of Indian democracy.

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      • on December 8, 2013 at 5:20 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        corvinus:

        Unless you’re counting all cases of infant mortality, or everybody who ever died in India for any reason, there’s no way India has had that many excess deaths.

        Pay attention. Go back and read my original post. These are the deaths that would not have occurred had the Indian death rate fallen at the same rate as the Chinese death rate during the period in question. The reason for the differential decline in mortality has to do with the difference between Indian and Chinese policy.

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      • No, don’t do that. Nobody claimed which tragedy was bigger in the first place. You’re questioning a strawman based on your own premises because you know you can’t justify leftism with health care alone. Otherwise, why choose a bunch of backwards communist failures to highlight health care when there are so many civilized nations who do it better?

        You want to look at the world’s most capitalist economy and pretend it’s not, that’s your choice. But let’s cut through the apologism with reality.

        China has always been the world’s most cutthroat, money hungry, fuck-you-got-mine capitalist jungle, dating at least to the Song exchanges. Maoism was merely a lapse in judgment during a brief period of national weakness. Ruthless profiteering is the traditional birthright of every Chinese, and the mercantile state has our back. We will screw you, your family, your company, your country, even ourselves to make a buck – and despite all inequalities, the world will be made better by it. If you don’t want to play, if you want to fantasize about compassion and shaaaaaaring, do it in the corner. Because we’re not going back to village communes, and neither are the other developing countries.

        PS: The Chinese left is comprised of very patriotic, nationalistic men who make the meanest of Western conservatives look tolerant by comparison. You will find little common ground here.

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      • on December 8, 2013 at 10:21 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        Nobody claimed which tragedy was bigger in the first place.

        Then why bring up the 1958-61 Chinese famine in the first place, instead of India’s abysmal failures with regard to human development?

        You want to look at the world’s most capitalist economy and pretend it’s not, that’s your choice.

        Why don’t you define what you mean by “capitalism” so I can have some grasp of what you’re talking about. China’s economic system one characterized by heavy state intervention on behalf of export-oriented industries (like most of the other “Asian Tigers”). The Heritage Foundation, in its latest Economic Freedom rankings, places China at 136 out of 177 ranked countries, putting it at the lower end of the “Mostly Unfree” category.

        http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

        Of course, if you define “capitalism” as anything you want, then you can call China “capitalist” (or even “the world’s most capitalist economy”) by definition.

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      • on December 8, 2013 at 10:25 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        Otherwise, why choose a bunch of backwards communist failures to highlight health care when there are so many civilized nations who do it better?

        How are Bangladesh and Sri Lanka Communist?

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      • on December 8, 2013 at 10:37 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        grinner:

        The Chinese have been pragmatic since 1979 and it has done much more good than 60+ years of Indian democracy.

        You haven’t been paying attention. Go back and read my original post, and read all the articles I cited. Once you do that you will find that China did much better than India in preventing unnecessary deaths before 1979. After 1979, this Chinese progress relative to India in this respect halted, and didn’t pick back up until the 2000s, when the Chinese government reinstituted the health care system that had been dismantled during the reform era.

        India, by the way, did much better than China with respect to famine-prevention. India’s last famine was in 1943 under British rule. That has a lot to do with India’s democracy and relatively free press.

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      • Now you’re getting ridiculous. They brought up the famine because we were talking about China. Are we obliged to list all other disasters before we can talk about any given one? No. You brought up the comparison out of some misguided attempt to vindicate leftist policy.

        If you want to pretend state capitalism isn’t capitalism, that’s fine. Let’s use a different word: profit. Of which Asians make plenty, through a system of greed and government help. It’s improves our lives in countless ways, medical care being but one of many.

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      • India has more innate weaknesses than China. If you think India is doing poorly now, imagine if it was commie.

        How are Bangladesh and Sri Lanka Communist?

        What’s Bangladesh’s official name?

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 3:49 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        corvinus:

        India has more innate weaknesses than China.

        You really aren’t paying attention. That’s the hypothesis I’ve been arguing against this entire time. If India has more “innate weaknesses” than China, why does the state of Kerala have social indicators similar to China’s? Why has Bangladesh done far better at reducing mortality since its independence in 1974 than India has since 1947? Why does Sri Lanka have a higher life expectancy than China? These populations are virtually indistinguishable from the general Indian population.

        Finally, why did China’s mortality rate, after rapidly falling since 1949 (with the exception of a huge spike from 1958-1961) level off around 1979 after Deng Xiaoping dismantled the universal health care system as part of the reforms, and the gap with India only began to widen in China’s favor again when this free medical care was reinstituted in 2004?

        “If you think India is doing poorly now, imagine if it was commie.”

        Nobody’s saying India should become “commie.” Obviously India, with its parliamentary democracy, relatively free press, and relatively market-based food distribution system, did far better than China at famine prevention (the last Indian famine was in 1943 under British colonialism. No democracy has ever experienced a famine). I’m obviously not recommending Communism as an entire system. The Great Leap Forward was a disaster, but India’s tiny steps forward with regard to social indicators, and in comparison with China on this front, have been an even bigger disaster. And that’s my point.

        What’s Bangladesh’s official name?

        The People’s Republic of Bangladesh. The Workers Party of Bangladesh (the most popular Communist party) is a member of the ruling coalition, but it only received 0.3% of the vote in the last election. If a Communist party being a part (no matter how small) of a ruling coalition is enough to make a country Communist, then Brazil and Bulgaria are Communist countries, and so was France in 1981. Of course, if you define “communism” so broadly (like Moldbug does) as to include the United States, then of course Bangladesh is a Communist country.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 12:59 am Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        You brought up the comparison out of some misguided attempt to vindicate leftist policy.

        If providing universal health care is a “leftist” policy, then that policy is indeed vindicated by the China vs. India comparison, since China, with this policy, did a far better job to reducing mortality rates from preventable diseases than did India with out it. India’s policies of parliamentary democracy, a free press, and a relatively market-oriented system of food distribution are also vindicated by the China vs. India comparison, since India, with these policies, did a far better job of preventing famines than China did without them.

        If the Chinese disaster of 1958-1961 completely discredits “leftism” (which you still haven’t defined), then why doesn’t the (ongoing) Indian disaster (which actually got worse after the market reforms of the 1990s) discredit capitalism? Why, indeed, is the Indian disaster usually not considered a disaster at all?

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      • And now you’re being purposely obtuse. Profit driven, capitalistic countries can implement health care just as well, if not better. That was the point. It doesn’t take a Cuba or Maoist China, hence leftists shouldn’t be given any credit, lest people start believing leftism as a valid ideology.

        Do you suppose India’s situation would not improve if their economy continues to grow, and the average Indian grows wealthier? This is where the false equivalency falls apart. Capitalism has a chance of success, leftism has never had consistent success. All this has already been said.

        Disasters are not considered such unless people die in spectacular fashion, you know this. You want to argue semantics or raise awareness, start an activist group. You want to use India as context to make China’s problems look better, be my guest. I do it all the time.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 4:00 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        Profit driven, capitalistic countries can implement health care just as well, if not better.

        I’ve never said (nor has Sen said) that markets shouldn’t play large roles in an economy (much, much larger than they did in Maoist China). But universal, free medical care is itself a non-market based policy. China has done much better on social indicators since it reinstituted this “socialistic” policy in 2004.

        By the way, “profit-driven” isn’t the same thing as “capitalistic”, unless you think Mondragon and Israeli kibbutzim are “capitalistic.” If you do, then, OK, whatever.

        It doesn’t take a Cuba or Maoist China, hence leftists shouldn’t be given any credit, lest people start believing leftism as a valid ideology.

        When did I say that Cuba or Maoist China should be emulated in every aspect. On the contrary, from the beginning I’ve acknowledged that Maoist China killed 30 million people because of its economic policies. That’s hardly an endorsement of Maoism.

        Do you suppose India’s situation would not improve if their economy continues to grow, and the average Indian grows wealthier?

        Not necessarily. If you read Sen, you’ll discover that growth, while a necessary condition of development, isn’t the same thing as development. Lot’s of countries in the third-world have grown rapidly without developing all that much. Some countries have developed a lot without growing all that quickly. It’s important to make sure the pie grows, but it’s also important to distribute the pie equitably.

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      • Oh, I see. All you REALLY wanted to say was that having health care is better than not having health care. And you chose to do so by writing a lengthy screed, cherry picking examples from a handful of unimpressive countries, actually quoting the Kerala model in 2013, then spend the rest of your posts splitting hairs when I call you out on it. Why, it’s like you have leftist sympathies or something.

        Equality is useless if there isn’t a pie to distribute in the first place. Caring more about equality than profit is exactly why countries fail. Developing countries are not developed countries. Conscientious economics has no place in actual economics. Compassion is no less rational than any other emotion. Get on your feet, and step away from the statue of Sen.

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      • on December 9, 2013 at 7:24 pm Two Terrors (The Cathedral Strikes Back)

        Why, it’s like you have leftist sympathies or something.

        No shit. That’s not the same thing as being a Maoist. There many shades of “left.”

        Equality is useless if there isn’t a pie to distribute in the first place.

        Let’s review what I just fucking said.

        “[G]rowth… [is] a necessary condition of development….”

        “It’s important to make sure the pie grows….”

        “Caring more about equality than profit is exactly why countries fail.”

        If we measure “failure” in dead bodies (as is properly done when pointing to the failure of Communism), then “caring more about profit than equality” has failed spectacularly, with hundreds of millions of dead all over the world, not just in India.

        Conscientious economics has no place in actual economics. Compassion is no less rational than any other emotion. Get on your feet, and step away from the statue of Sen.

        There’s nothing really to respond to here. No citations, no evidence, nothing even remotely resembling an argument. So I guess that’s that.

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      • What, you need a citation to tell you policy shouldn’t be based on feelings? Because I think what’s really happened is, you were caught glorifying leftism, got burned for it, can’t defend yourself, so you engage in shifting every goalpost in an effort to derail the conversation.

        Assuming you have some magical way to determine which deaths are caused by profit, the end result is still worth it. Profit benefits at least one group of people, and advances the world through ruthless competition. Communism only has the failure part. Y’know, both terrors at the same time with meager result to show for it. Our goal is not to be the equal, it’s to be better than. To climb over each other for supremacy, even if only 1% of us make it. Your overconcern with victims and mortality rates is precisely the problem, and I bet you don’t even realize it. I think you will find that most of civilization was built with greed as the driver, not love or compassion. So what do leftists do? Complain. Reject reality. Make up bad ideas. Fail. Repeat. But at least they get to feel altruistic!

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  23. You forgot to add that asians are fucking boring as hell. Whites are always mocked for being “white-bread” and lame,

    This is not quite true. Perhaps Asian-Americans. We make white people look positively lively. But in what context are whites described as “lame white-bread”? In comparison to blacks. Got no rhythm, can’t jump, smaller dicks, so on. So basically, your statement equates to “whites are the Asian man’s niggers”. But Asians (in Asia, that is) are a different breed. Asians, when they are in their own element, are not boring. Anyone who says so has never driven a car in the dense and unpredictable Asian city streets. Or know anything about Asia.

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    • I’ve never been to the far east but I hear asians are crazy.

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    • Their art sucks, their music sucks, their movies suck. All of their architecture sucks, their automobiles are uninspired. I could go on. Watch “an inconvenient anime”. It’s all in there.

      In what universe does my statement equate “whites are the asian man’s niggers”? It does not follow. Is that some kind of gook logic?

      Asia is about as inspiring as an anthill. Though both are fun to blow up.

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      • lol. Exactly.

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      • Post traumatic atomic bombing syndrome also produced this:

        Imagine the art we will produce after we get nuked?

        A gigantic radioactive black ni66er that cannot be killed.

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      • and rapes white women.

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      • A giant watermelon filled with books would do him in.

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      • Imagine what fukushima will inspire them to create

        Those asians. Fastidious with detail they are. Build a nuke plant in Tsunami zone. With emergency generators in the basement. Maybe that way they can look at their anime posters?

        Yup, those japs are so fucking smart, they caused disaster worse than the inept bumbling soviets did at Chernobyl.

        Asia:

        Slightly worse at nuclear tech than drunk russians.

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      • My sister actually posted that song to defend Asians… pretty decent music and fan of the first season of Sailor Moon, a heroine icon

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      • Yeah brother Naruto, though i only defend every pro-gay country, actually China and South Korea are kinda homophobic places (like Russia and Turkey), but Japan not, uninspired Cars ??? no way, and in fact on top of that Japanese are also good designers of trains 🙂 ,i have always liked more the design of Japanese trains than the trains from France or Germany. Shinkansen rules.

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    • “So basically, your statement equates to “whites are the Asian man’s niggers”.”

      Gook logic in a nutshell.

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    • Asia sucks. Deal wit it.

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    • Got no rhythm, can’t jump, smaller dicks, so on. So basically, your statement equates to “whites are the Asian man’s niggers”

      I find myself in basic agreement with this though of course, seen through a definitely rounder set of eyes (and massively larger schlong).

      The current zeitgeist defined “white culture” as passe and boring. Now we have Lil Wayne, and Becky lovin’ the ni66a dick. Progress? Hardly, regression to the savage mean.

      Asians are “boring” by the same yardstick. Generally, a more subdued culture than Europeans, who are -vastly- more subdued than Africans.

      These are both good things. There are many parts of Asian culture I quite admire. Chinks, gooks, zips, slopes, slants, coolies, are a-ok in my book compared to the darkies and the heebs. Secondary to Europeans they have created the largest body of art, philosophy, etc. in world history.

      Not to mention on a far more primal level. Just as our women have been poisoned to love da brovas, your women have a major tingle for the Euro-male. So I can empathize with any Asian man having some animosity towards Euros.

      When you boil it all down, it is men, who protect their culture, heritage, and genetic lineage. Women are simply too weak minded and accepting of trying to pacify to have any strong graft to civilization.

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      • White culture was seen as boring because it wasn’t muh dik enough compared to blacks. A stupid reason, as you point out about. I’M saying that asia IS actually boring and uninspired, but for actual legitimate reasons, not because they don’t muh dik and bix nood as well as whites. That was always a stupid jew trope.

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      • Is hard to see the legacy of Japanese videogames as uninspired, among many other things about them.

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    • I actually love Asian culture, many times more than American culture, particularly Japanese.

      Everything santa666 criticized I absolutely love.

      Look at how popular martial arts became after exposure to the west. In fact, asian fighting styles are far superior than most and heavily influenced what’s taught in any serious school.

      They’re heavy weights in numerous categories:

      Arcade, console, PC games.
      Animated movies (As varied as any live action production with equal depth).
      Action films (Kung-Fu, esp. has a rather long history and huge following).
      Music (depending on genre).
      Automobiles (however “uninspired” they’re considered).
      Food (They posses the most “3 Michelin Star” awards for cuisine).
      Women (loads of American men chase after them, and why not?).

      The list goes on…

      Obviously to each his own, but it needed to be said.

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  24. People are assuming she’s grossed out by the bottle of piss she’s drinking. Given the positioning, however, I suspect it’s the smell of beta.

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  25. Billions of Chinese would still be walking around in their identical little gray Mao work clothes had China not adopted Western values. Or worse, slaughtering their own by the tens of millions –ie see Great Leap Forward, where between 1962 -1958 a total of 45 million Chinese died due to Mao’s policy of forced resettlement and collectivization.

    China hasn’t adopted Western values though.

    The deaths of the Great Leap Forward weren’t due to slaughter but due to famine resulting from communist collectivized agriculture and industrial policies. The severity is also exaggerated. The highest estimates of deaths are around 45 million or around 6% to 7% of China’s population at the time. The lower estimates are around 3% to 4% of the population. So the estimates range from 3% to 7% of the population. Note that the Irish Potato Famine, which was also due to a highly centralized, albeit capitalist, economic policy, is estimated to have killed around 12.5% (and possibly even higher) of Ireland’s population, which it hasn’t recovered from since. But we never hear about the Irish Potato Famine, despite it being more severe than things like the Great Leap Forward. Presumably because it’s a case where the victims were White.

    As for Mao, he was more of a nationalist leader, like a Lincoln or Hitler, that was able to forge a modern state for national interests and defend against both international communism and international capitalism.

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  27. I’d rather slap ScarJo around.

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  28. > We live in awkward times… too late to vote and too early to start shooting.

    I believe that quote comes from Claire Wolfe, who writes for Backwoods Home magazine. I recall seeing her write that ~ 20 years ago.

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  29. Hey guys, I would like an opinion on gauging a certain woman’s level of interest:

    -she’s 34, in shape, a 6.

    -Back story: we banged regularly for a few months this summer while she knew I was with someone else. I went over whenever I wanted, and nothing was off the table–extreme S&M, obedience, etc. She actually told me I fucked her in ways she never knew that she liked that she started going to therapy to figure out why what she liked what was clearly so extreme and disturbing. I broke it off for other prospects (I stopped contacting her).

    -Recently ran into her (7-10 days ago),and she looked fuckable, and I wanted to start banging again. She told me that she had a bf now, and that she wouldn’t cheat — but only told me about aid bf after we’d been talking for a good long while.

    -Texted her last night and said “that dude’s a loser. come over and play.”

    Her responses:

    1hr after my text :”R U drunk texting?”

    then 1/2 an hour later: “I’m actually really happy with my bf.”

    What’s the play?

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    • p.s. I did not respond to either of her texts.

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      • Shouldn’t have thrown her bf under the bus. I’d say you can still fuck though, but don’t let your motive be so explicit. Lob a non-sequitur at her and see what happens,

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      • Sounds like you set off her defenses when you called him a loser. I had a FB who eventually got a boyfriend. She messaged me to talk and we end up talking about him, with of course me calling him a needy guy. She went into defense mode, trying to save face like a guy would if you called his girlfriend average looking. If i were in your situation i wouldn’t respond at all to her “im really happy with mr. twinkletoes” nonsense. I’d go silent for a week or so, then invite her out somewhere, where she can “make a mistake” and let you “it just happened” all over her face.
        I would try to come from a frame of pretending her boyfriend doesn’t exist, I wouldn’t bring him up and I wouldn’t discuss him, changing the subject with a reframe onto yourself when she mentions him. She can sleep with you if he doesn’t exist so don’t let him exist in your world. If you can get her to go out somewhere with you, She’ll more than likely cheat, but she’s going to be resisting all the way until it happens. First goal is to get her to come see you… if she agrees to hang out then she more than likely wants to make a terrible mistake with you, her knowing your intentions of course. No more sexual stuff till you get her alone in person.
        The only other alternative, is of course, rape!

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      • “Sounds like you set off her defenses when you called him a loser.”

        Yup. That was the wrong play. Never insult the bf cause she’ll have to defend him. You might be mad at your brother but if someone calls him a loser, you’ll defend him…only YOU get to talk shit about him, ya know? This is just human instinct.

        “I had a FB who eventually got a boyfriend. She messaged me to talk and we end up talking about him, with of course me calling him a needy guy. She went into defense mode, trying to save face like a guy would if you called his girlfriend average looking.”

        Yup. That’s a good way of describing it. This is a consistent pattern. OP’s probably toast for now cause he triggered her defenses…not much you can do from here but wait it out and hope they fight and break up, but even THEN you don’t talk shit about the guy.

        Consider this one a loss for a few months…there’s nothing you can actively do to make banging happen. She might get drunk/honey and take action and you can BF Destroy and get the lay but that’s entirely the ball in her court and not something you’re likely to actively cause to happen.

        Read up on Tyler’s “boyfriend destroyer” shit for how to handle these situs…make sure you click “go to part 2” at the bottom, I think there’s like 4 pages or something:

        http://www.bristollair.com/2011/outer-game/pua-techniques/boyfriend-destroyer/

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      • Waiting until they’re done probably offers more of a chance of success, but I am not entirely convinced the lay is impossible. The planned invasion of Japan during World War 2 was feasibly winnable, but it was going to be long, bloody, and misreable.
        If she has any attractions to OP at all, it’ll come to the front of her mind when she’s looking for that lay to get even with her boyfriend or the rebound after she dumps him.

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      • “Waiting until they’re done probably offers more of a chance of success, but I am not entirely convinced the lay is impossible.”

        It’s not impossible, it’s just not worth the effort. Her vagina doesn’t shoot magic rainbows out of it, and he sabotaged himself by insulting the BF so he’s now digging himself out of a hole before climbing the mountain VS starting on level ground.

        If he hadn’t sent his insulting txt, he’d be fine. Now he has to wait for her defensive shit to settle down before she’ll even entertain the thought…that might take a day, or it might take weeks or months depending on how much game her BF has (or rather, just how much her BF doesn’t fuck up lol).

        The optimal play from this damage control situ is to wait for a few weeks/months so her defensiveness goes down and she has more time to get bored in her relationship, and then give it another push but following the Boyfriend Destroyer concepts…unfortunately, because he’s already showed his hand by insulting the guy, a lot of the BFD stuff will come across as incongruent because she already knows his feelings on it aren’t congruent to the BFD tactics, so that incongruency alone could fuck him over.

        So like I say, it’s not impossible, but it’s not worth the effort at this point.

        “If she has any attractions to OP at all, it’ll come to the front of her mind when she’s looking for that lay to get even with her boyfriend or the rebound after she dumps him.”

        ya, like I said:

        “She might get drunk/honey and take action and you can BF Destroy and get the lay but that’s entirely the ball in her court and not something you’re likely to actively cause to happen.”

        But that would be completely her taking the reins and not something he can control or purposely instigate with game, so to me it doesn’t really count as a tactic…it’s more just hoping for Fool’s Mate. Which is totally fine, but he should spend his time gaming other girls and screening for kinky chicks to replace her, VS putting any real time/effort into winning this battle.

        On the plus side it’s not a total loss, it’s a learning lesson. His fuckup led to my linking the BFD stuff, so now he’ll learn how to handle these situs for the future, so ultimately it’ll end up being a good thing.

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      • what if the boyfriend was using boyfriend destroying techniques on the op first?

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      • Good thinking.
        I’m not sure on the boyfriend destroying.
        I don’t usually discuss a boyfriend. The few times the girl had one it was mainly anon issue. Yareally will have to answer that for you.

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      • “Sounds like you set off her defenses when you called him a loser.”

        Yup. That was the wrong play. Never insult the bf cause she’ll have to defend him. You might be mad at your brother but if someone calls him a loser, you’ll defend him…only YOU get to talk shit about him, ya know? This is just human instinct.

        This x 1000. It still amazes me how many dudes try to chump the boyfriend and think you will get -any- positive result. It is always always always the worst move. Unless like you said, you are prepared to go all in for the full take down. But you are -not- going to accomplish that in a texting session.

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    • Gave her bf more value with that comment.

      Let her come back at you.

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    • I think you’ve played it pretty well. If she’s not getting the good mind bending sex from him then you’ll be back to banging her before too long. My guess is she isn’t.

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    • “What’s the play?”

      RAPE!

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  30. Funny how it is only our enemies that commit genocide. Given China’s population, it is hardly surprising 45 million (or any other number you chose to invent) died in the allotted period.

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  31. If I had to marry one of them, I would obviously choose the waitress that looks like Scarlett Johansson, but I can’t imagine a better piece of social proof than a photo in the NY Post or shot on TMZ next to Scarlett.

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  32. What color is she?

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    • Black and blue,after this psycho is done with her..

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    • thwack,

      You fucking racist pig.

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      • According to white scientists, there is a black ho at the center of our galaxy.

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      • White scientists tell us once you enter a black ho you can’t escape. In other words, you never go back.

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      • all women are energy sinks.

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      • You may as well shake your fist heavenward at the sun and say “how dare you shine light!” black = racist. Everywhere. Everytime. It is deeply encoded in their double helical sequence. All things, all ideas, all interactions are first processed through this filter before coming out the other side.

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      • You may as well shake your fist heavenward at the sun and say “how dare you shine light!”
        ——————————————————————————-

        huh?

        I think you have us confused with a certain pale skinned homonid?

        Black people don’t have no beef with nature and have never felt the need to obsess on things they can’t measure, quantify, calculate…

        Before Apollo 11, white men used to cry themselves to sleep looking at the moon:

        ” why is it doing that? (sob, sniffle) why is it up there shining down at night? (boo hoo, sob…) It just hangs there all night like a ni66er in front of a liquor store, I can’t stand it, why, why, why!

        Why does it keep doing that?

        boo hoo…

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  33. Is it really so bad to tell a taken woman to get back to you when she and her guy breaks up? Sure it tells her you’re interested, but at least it saves time/energy from playing “long” game on her. And, hey, if she is interested and eventually they break up, she’ll come to you.

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    • Its all about the context. Most of the time it’s not a good idea. Give more information.

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      • Eh, I just lack the free time to burn on women that are already taken. She’d hit me up every 3 or 4 weeks for “friendly” hangouts. I only went on two of them, but that was one too many for me. Just told her that I don’t do this with taken women and if she gets sick of her guy, to get back to me and maybe we’ll see.

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    • Except that she won’t. She’ll assume you’ve got oneitis for her, and lose interest.

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      • well, I guess she’ll assume that if you say you were interested outright. I was more like “I don’t do this with taken women, get back to me when you’re sick of your bf and maybe we’ll see”.

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      • She still won’t. You have to make her sick of her boyfriend; and why don’t you do that with taken women anyway? Love is a battlefield and to the victor go the spoils and the slain pussy. Heck, if you’re on top of your game, you’ll get her to spend his resources on you.

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      • I basically made a rule not to waste time on taken women due to the limited spare time I have. Just seems easier, at least at my stage, to use that time on single women.

        Curious though–how to do you make her “sick” of him?

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      • Unless he’s alpha, simply being more alpha will have that effect. Also, apparently ‘ignoring’ her, as if she’s no longer sexy to you will make her wonder if she’s lost “it” and try to re-engage with you.

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  34. You have to love and appreciate Muhammad Ali’s real talk. Note the liberal PC universalist reflex that, sadly, still persists today:

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    • Ali’s observation about white people is not entirely accurate; but the white host was not helpful providing clarification.

      A “mixed race” baby is only a problem in a racial supremacy culture. The white host was trying to say “Im not a racist, Im above racism…” This is a spiritual level many people want to exist on but have great difficulty in a system dominated by people existing on the material level.

      2nd, despite what Ali says, some white people may want non white children for a more practical reason; to “expand” their gene pool. Based on my study and observation, in many interracial marriages, the white person is on their 2nd marriage; in other words, they already have white children from a previous marriage to another white person.

      “been there, done that, got the tee-shirt…”

      Finally, a white woman may want to produce a child with color because of some physiological association white people make between color and “genetic information”.

      Im not a white person so I can’t get into what thats about; but what I do know is 2 pale skinned persons cannot produce a darker skinned offspring,

      but 2 dark skinned persons can produce a lighter skinned offspring.

      This phenomenon raised questions about the origin and mechanism for the production of white people.

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  35. Oh nozzzz…..the icy glare.

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  36. on December 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

    Jamie Lynn Spears. Britney Spears’ sister, which raises a major question mark. Quality music, of interest to readers of this blog, yearning for expressions of relatively greater depth and in-group expression in America’s women. If you disagree come and see me.

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    • on December 8, 2013 at 6:26 pm Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

      Terrible advice that should be troll-written into women’s magazines: Yes, it’s OK to fuck the guy who answers your Craigslist housing ad.

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      • Sigma

        You have to love and appreciate Muhammad Ali’s real talk. Note the liberal PC universalist reflex that, sadly, still persists today

        —————————————————–

        Ali’s observation about white people is not entirely accurate; but the white host was not helpful providing clarification.

        A “mixed race” baby is only a problem in a racial supremacy culture. The white host was trying to say “Im not a racist, Im above racism…” This is a spiritual level many people want to exist on but have great difficulty in a system dominated by people existing on the material level.

        2nd, despite what Ali says, some white people may want non white children for a more practical reason; to “expand” their gene pool. Based on my study and observation, in many interracial marriages, the white person is on their 2nd marriage; in other words, they already have white children from a previous marriage to another white person.

        “been there, done that, got the tee-shirt…”

        Finally, a white woman may want to produce a child with color because of some physiological association white people make between color and “genetic information”.

        Im not a white person so I can’t get into what thats about; but what I do know is 2 pale skinned persons cannot produce a darker skinned offspring,

        but 2 dark skinned persons can produce a lighter skinned offspring.

        This phenomenon raised questions about the origin and mechanism for the production of white people.

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  37. Another study shows that alphas (whether male or female) are “more contented” and “happy”:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2520475/Happiness-resisting-answering-mobile-People-ignore-texts-calls-likely-contented.html

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  38. on December 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

    Except when they get stabbed by stabby women.

    Getting stabbed rates are higher among alpha males. So, tradeoff.

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  39. Okay so I’ve finally gotten my sub-communications down enough that girls will ask me questions that indicate genuine interest. Happened with four different girls yesterday.

    Yesterday was also the night I began the makeout mission! Tried several times wohoo! Finally. Actually wasn’t as scary/bad as I expected….

    Hadn’t approached all week (mostly out of frustration for not being about to convert my daygame interactions. Took a few days to read up on the Attraction phase as well as some routines). I get to A2, but then I don’t reward her interest (this is the part where she ends up asking questions) and I dodge her questions, thinking I have to continue to be playful. For example:

    Outside nightclub (Russian 8.5 with friend):

    *This is where my sub-communications were really solid*

    Me (to Russian 8.5): You look very Russian… somewhat interesting…
    Russian 8.5: (stares into my eyes, no expression)
    Me: You look 19 (she was clearly older, maybe early 30s)… it wouldn’t work out between us…
    (as I say this, she starts smiling, eye contact doesn’t break)
    Her: What is “SASA”? (Shirt from college I’m wearing, obviously underdressed compared to her, doesn’t match anything I have on)
    Me: (I point to my shirt) Sex, Ass, Sex, Ass (aaaaaaand this is where she lost interest)
    Her: … (light in her eyes is gone)
    Me: (I look at her lips) Would you like chapstick?
    Her: No thanks (awkward smile)
    Me: We should kiss now.
    Her: No thanks (she and her friend walk away, I tried to grab her hand lol)

    Sigh, just when I think I’ve made progress… lol

    Anyway, my wing watched the whole interaction and basically said I had to come in more under the radar. This is a hot chick and just being sexual right off the bad turns them off… I mean, her friend was right there so maybe I she was embarrassed? Also, her friend just stood there silent, the one I talked to was clearly more attractive aka the leader of the two.

    Another problem I’ve been having, without fail, this always happens:

    I approach a few times, get rejected a few times and then I force myself into another interaction and I feel myself “trying” to make the interaction work. Like, I become more outcome independent as the night goes on. Furthermore, once that interaction ends, I just stand there thinking “Alright, what do I do now?… What’s the point of approaching when it’s just going to bomb anyway?” Then I realize this negative thought loop and then go “Okay, so this is a negative thought loop. Time to open all.” Then what ends up happening is I say “Hi” to just dudes and then I stop again, thinking “How do I talk to some girls” or “Man, I don’t know what to do here, I’m just going to look needy.” This really is a problem in the middle of the night, and I want to fix it. Of course, this is more of an internal problem than an external one. Inner game needs more work, in terms of overall momentum.

    Anyway, I tried kissing a lot of girls last night. 0% success rate, but that was because I was still fairly uncalibrated. Got a few laughs, some cheek kisses, that’s about it.

    Also, the problem with the YaReally missions is this:

    “Then try again within 5 minutes. Then try again within 15 minutes. If you get the makeout, or don’t get it by 15 minutes in, walk away and go do it to the next girl.”

    I generally don’t have much to say in those 15 mins. Going to learn more routines. Also need to learn to pull back on overgaming.

    Still at it, though.

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    • *Outcome DEpendent. I’m gonna proofread these things next time.

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      • @Hunter

        Left a big reply but it’s in moderation ’cause it’s loaded with vids so check back here later lol

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      • wohoo! ‘Preciate it, man! Glad you’re back on the blog dropping knowledge… though a lot stuff has been dropped lately. Learning a lot of texting stuff from everyone here.

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    • @Hunter

      “so I’ve finally gotten my sub-communications down enough that girls will ask me questions that indicate genuine interest.”

      Good stuff, man! It’s all a progression as you get further along the pickup then fuck up once you’re out of your comfort zone, then after repeating that a bunch you eventually handle that part like a boss but get a little further and then fuck up, then next time you get further and fuck up, etc. etc. until you’re in your comfort zone all the way to the lay lol

      “Yesterday was also the night I began the makeout mission! Tried several times wohoo! Finally. Actually wasn’t as scary/bad as I expected…”

      lol that last part is the primary reason for that mission. To teach your brain that the world won’t end if you go for the makeout, and most girls really don’t think it’s that big a deal, especially if they’re attracted to you and you calibrate it.

      Keys to it:

      1) ISOLATE ISOLATE ISOLATE. Even if all you’re doing is taking a step sideways so to face you she has to turn her back to her friends, that can sometimes be enough, but ideally you can get her out of sight of her friends entirely…hell, even telling her “let’s go get a drink” and asking her friends for permission to take her to grab a drink, so they all think you’re going to buy her a drink, then just getting her in a position where her friends are out of her line of sight, gaming her, and then going for the makeout. If you end up at the actual bar just get her a glass of water and say you don’t drink lol Dance floor works too. Out to the patio for a smoke if you and her both smoke, etc.

      But ya, isolation is KEY. She generally can’t act slutty in front of her friends even if she likes you, because she fears their judgement, but once she can’t see them, if you’re getting her laughing etc. then she forgets they exist and she’s much more likely to kiss you.

      Best analogy for this is from RSD Julien (his “My boss, Michael” analogy at the start of this clip):

      2) Go for the kiss on a “Buying Temperature spike” (a moment where her attraction spikes up), VS out of the blue. So get her laughing and do it as she laughs, VS in the middle of asking normal questions or talking about normal subjects. As she laughs you can drop a “you’re cute when you smile ;)” and move in for the kiss. Or if you pass a shit-test, she gets a BT spike as well, so that can be a good opportunity (so that could look something like her saying “you’re such an asshole lol (in that way where she punches you in the arm because you teased her or passed a shit-test)” and you saying “you just hate that you like me so much” “lol noooo!!” “Liar. ;)” as you go in for a kiss).

      This is the main calibration for this one…with your Russian chick you had lost attraction and were on a neutral/down note when you went for the kiss. But if, when she was initially attracted (great open BTW, assuming attraction and roleplaying that you two will have a relationship that won’t work out as if you just assume she would be into you, VS letting her “no expression” response dissuade you) and she asked “What is SASA?”, if you had replied with something brushing it off like “don’t worry about it” or “I’ll tell you later” and gone for the kiss at that point, you might have gotten it, especially if you had stepped to the side so her back was turned to her friends…because at that point she’s receptive to it (like in Julien’s analogy, you’ve hidden her from her boss Michael and you know she’s attracted).

      So try adding those two things in: Isolate and spike her temp.

      “This is a hot chick and just being sexual right off the bad turns them off…”

      It depends on how you do it, it’s more “are you being sexual out of neediness or out of self-amusement?”. But it sounds like you guys had solid sub-communications going on and when that happens you can often drop a lot of the blatantly sexual stuff because you’re sub-communicating it. This goes back to the idea of acting sexual while verbally being asexual and the reverse of being asexual while verbally being sexual.

      From http://yareallyarchive.com/2013/6/#comment-heartiste-451275 :

      “It’s also important to note that as you play with getting more sexual, it’s actually good to combine opposites. ie – being very aggressively physical while talking about boring shit (shake hands with her, then pull her in and put her hands up on your shoulders for her and put your hands on her waist and talk about mundane boring “what’s your major?” stuff while being face to face with laser-locked eye contact and slow sexual speaking), or the reverse…being extremely verbally sexual while not touching her (turning the conversation towards sexual topics, telling a sexual story, asking a question that’s sex related, etc., so the conversation itself is very sexual but you’re not being aggressive physically with her, so you’re taking kind of an indirect route).

      The other two options aren’t as solid: no sexual verbal vibe and no physical touching = an asexual interaction where she doesn’t know you have a penis. Whereas an extremely sexual vibe with aggressive physical touching = a good chance of triggering her ASD too fast/soon and putting her guard up and making her more wary and resist more…granted closer to last call this can be a good method for the girls who are horny, but early in the night it can be too much too soon.”

      The key to remember is that when you hit that sub-communication eye-contact stuff, THAT is building sexual tension in her…so you’re actually escalating (Gambler’s example of it is great, where the girl instinctively giggles, because he’s putting pressure on her, but just by using his eyes), which is why you can verbally chill on the sexual stuff when you’re in that mode with her.

      “I mean, her friend was right there so maybe I she was embarrassed?”

      Ya, isolation increases the likelihood of success. She wants to feel like no one will judge her. A lot of pickup isn’t about one or two big amazing moves that win the day…it’s about doing a dozen little tiny things right that all add up and increase the % of your play. That’s why we follow formulas and structure, because it won’t always work, just like playing a certain hand in poker won’t always win and the way the other guy bets might indicate to you that you need to adapt to this particular hand…but overall in the long-run, you know that the highest % play with certain hands involve certain actions.

      The adapting on the fly is where the “Artist” part of Pick-Up Artist comes from, and you learn that from gathering reference experiences over time…No one is good at adapting at the start lol. It’s like someone first learning to drive, they’re too busy focusing on having their hands at 10 and 2 and shit to adapt to unexpected driving situations…but after a few years of being on the road, that stuff is on auto-pilot and they can go all Tokyo Drift lol

      “Also, her friend just stood there silent, the one I talked to was clearly more attractive aka the leader of the two.”

      That’s alright, it sounds like you had the same eye-contact stuff Gambler and Liam talk about in those videos I link in my Archive link above, so her friend was just letting it happen. Again isolation her by turning her away from her friend (it doesn’t have to make sense lol, just be like “oh the light is in my eyes, come here” and step sideways or step backwards to lean against the wall (if you’re in line at a bar) and pull her toward you, etc. and going for the kiss on a BT-spike would help.

      You would’ve had to acknolwedge the friend afterward, because she’d cockblock you later if not, and to do that I usually go “sorry, I’m being rude flirting with your friend here lol my name is YaReally” and hold out my hand to get her friend’s name and handshake (usually at this point the first girl will realize I don’t even know her name and shit-test me on that lol) and now I look cool/social, my target is attracted, and her friend approves of me.

      “I approach a few times, get rejected a few times and then I force myself into another interaction and I feel myself “trying” to make the interaction work. Like, I become more outcome independent as the night goes on.”

      lol if it’s any consolation this happens to everyone. 🙂 A lot of it is based in pride/ego, like you take a hit so you want to make up for it…but of course we know in pick-up that the harder you try and the more outcome dependent you get, the less attractive you become to the girl.

      This can be a really hard thing to break out of because once you get into negative thought-loops it becomes really hard to pull yourself out of it. Even good PUAs with a lot of experience still run into this…it’s human nature to beat yourself up or get insecure when your ego takes a hit. I still run into this on rough nights and I’m an overall fairly up-beat guy compared to most people.

      The good news is that at least you can TELL that you’re in this mode. A lot of people don’t even realize they’re sabotaging themselves with negative thought loops spiraling down into a shitty state and depression…Naturals are really bad for this. They don’t learn about any of this psychology, and they tend to put a lot more pride/ego into their skills with women, so they can be on top of the world but if they get rejected or have a rough night they can crash HARD, like suicidal depression hard. It can be difficult if not impossible to NEVER get into a negative thought loop, but acknowledging it is the first step to throwing yourself out of it.

      The main concept behind breaking out of negative thought loops is to distract your brain so it can “reset”. Thing of it like a videogame locking up or crashing…it’s going to be hard if not impossible to just fix it while it’s broken, and over time whatever crashes is probably just going to cause more and more bugs, but if you jolt the whole thing by hitting the Reset button, the game starts over and works again.

      Some ways to Reset your brain when you’re in negative thought loops:

      – Go to a new venue. I used this one a lot when I was starting out because I did a ton of solo game in a city with bars close to eachother and no cover charges or anything, so if I felt like there was no coming back, I would just leave the venue and go for a walk around the block or get a slice of pizza or take a casual stroll to a bar, or even just go to a quiet bar/pub/lounge and chill with a drink and watch whatever band is playing or chat with the bartender or txt buddies on my phone etc. to distract myself. Then when I’d enter a new venue, my brain would get hit with a new set of stimuli with the noise and lights and crowd and girls and everything and often that was enough to Reset my brain and, as long as I threw myself into a set quickly, I could often 180 the night and salvage it completely which feels great.

      – If you’re stuck in one venue ’cause you’re with a group or people who don’t bar hop and wouldn’t understand “I need to change venues so I can Reset my brain” (lol), try going to a totally different area of the bar, like go out to the patio, or go to the smoking area if it’s outside…you don’t have to smoke or anything, just go out there and get some air and get away from the noise etc. Hell, even chilling in a stall in the bathroom can help, which sounds super lame, but if spending 15 min chilling in a stall and then splashing ice cold water on your face in the sink etc. makes the difference between going through another 2 hours of brutal frustration or taking home some hottie, fuck it lol

      – Since the key is to distract your brain or overwhelm it, physical stuff can work too. Dancing (even badly…hell, dancing badly/retarded probably helps MORE lol), changing your physiology by getting yourself moving (why do the Jersey Shore guys fist-pump? They’re keeping themselves in state by getting active with their physiology which forces their brain to follow). Go in the bathroom and smile at yourself in the mirror (always smile at yourself when you see yourself in mirrors and think to yourself “damn I’m good lookin” lol). Say affirmations to yourself if those help you (I was a big fan of affirmations when I started out) and try to get into a positive thought loop instead of the negative one just by steamrolling over it with affirmations.

      – Tyler’s method is to just force himself to open EVERYTHING around him…there’s no one way to handle this, it’s a personal thing that you have to learn what you respond to and what helps you, but here’s Tyler’s guide to how he does it incase it resonates with you:

      Same speech/concepts but delivered in a more serious way incase you like Serious Tyler lol (I like the above seminar version more, personally):

      – You can do painful physical stuff too, which can often be the fastest way to break out of a thought loop…imagine if you were thinking “I suck with girls” and then a pitbull bites your leg, you’re no longer thinking about sucking with girls lol Stuff in this category is like, get your buddy to punch you in the arm, wrestle with your buddy, do push-ups in front of some hot girls, squirt lime juice from a bar lime into your eye (Alexander from RSD was a fan of this one for a while but I don’t recommend it lol), down a brutally disgusting shot of terrible alochol, or a swig of tobasco, etc. I’m not a fan of this category lol

      – Embarrass yourself. I’m a fan of this one, as is RSD Julien…the basic idea is you force yourself to do something so retarded that your brain basically goes “well, if I wasn’t toast before, I sure as fuck am NOW!” and because it’s decided that you couldn’t do anything worse than that, and the world didn’t end, now your brain thinks the negative loops are silly and lets you Reset. The reality is, even if you do something embarassing, no one is really paying attention to you or is going to remember you or give a shit, so there’s not really any REAL consequence…but your brain in a negative thought loop will try to convince you that there IS and everyone will remember and bouncers will throw you out and you’ll die a virgin etc. etc. So this is basically calling your brain’s bluff by forcing yourself to like, dance badly by yourself on an empty dance floor, jump around, shout things, sing to the music, apporoach the hottest girls in the bar with the most retarded thing you can think of purposely trying to get blown out, etc.

      Here’s Julien on this (specifically around 3:10)…”If you’re a cool guy and you take a bootcamp with me, I’m like “Okay. Push-ups, right now, in front of the hot girls. As soon as you ruin the opportunity of ever being “cool” again that night, that’s when you let loose completely.”:

      Another thing that might help is reframing how you view rejections. Personally I’m a big fan of Julien’s “rejections aren’t actually rejections…a rejection is just unfinished business” frame:

      “0% success rate, but that was because I was still fairly uncalibrated. Got a few laughs, some cheek kisses, that’s about it.”

      lol it’s all good. Props for trying it and stepping outside of your comfort zone. Add some tweaks like isolation and calibrating to her Buying Temperature spikes and you should notice some differences. The key is that the world didn’t end, you didn’t get slapped or beat up or thrown out by bouncers etc…kissing is fun to girls, they just want you to do it at the right time in a cool fun attractive way. 🙂

      “I generally don’t have much to say in those 15 mins. Going to learn more routines. Also need to learn to pull back on overgaming.”

      lol you’ll get there. Routines are basically the “filler” while you run an overall structure…the overall structure is the most important part that separates us from “normal” guys in terms of consistency/competance, but the filler is what gets you FROM key strategic event to key strategic event.

      Good luck, keep at it! 🙂

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  40. on December 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm Dr. Murray F. Rottencrotch

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  41. The next great leap forward by the Chinese will be into the West.
    The massive amounts of money they are making by manufacturing for the west is being syphoned out of their country as quickly as possible.
    In Australia, the Chinese have become major investors in the property market, particularly in inner city apartments.
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  42. The State Department didn’t do all they could (successfully!) to hand the country to Mao and the communists?

    I read once in a blog somewhere that the US State Department did give China to the communists, doing everything they could to sabotage the Nationalists.

    Looking in hindsight, always much easier, I would have done the same. You couldn’t do anything worse to a foe than allowing a regime as barbaric as Maoism to take over it. In a smaller sense, giving India to the Fabian Socialists was almost as good, even though up to this day true india, nationalist/hinduist India, is still fighting the plague of Fabian Socialism

    Try to imagine what the world would look like if the Nationalists had won in China in 1949. The same reforms of Deng Xiaoping 30 years earlier,, the entire Chinese Aristocracy alive and ruling China much bnetter than the communists.

    Thank God the Bolsheviks at the State Department gave China to Mao. Every Western Man must give thanks to that

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    • If the Nationalists had won in China, it would have been a fascist state, carrying on ideals that would make the globalist cabal in Washington and New York squeal in fear. Within the Kuomintang was an explicitly fascist group. It controlled the academy that taught new officers. Its head was none other than Ziang Kai-Shek himself. They were sometimes called the Blue Shirts, like Mussolini’s Black Shirts. But many of them died fighting the Japanese invasion while the traitorous communists held back their forces.

      (The communists later claimed they had organized a resistance together with the KMT. In fact, only a few commie generals did so, and late in the game. And never Mao. He even refused to help his fellow commie generals, because he wanted them dead. There was one time when a general asked for help against the Japanese and Mao’s forces were on the other side of a mountain, and he refused the request. he wanted the other generals dead. Later he claimed otherwise.)

      You should read Chung Kuo, an interesting series of novels set a couple of centuries into the future. China has taken over the world after the West fell because of internal strife. China quietly took control of vital natural resources in other parts of the world. When they finally went to war, and reached Russia and Europe, many North Europeans gathered under their flag and formed a crucial fighting cadre. The North European families remain in control of the military in Chung Kuo’s Europe even two centuries later. (The Chinese dictator kills off all other peoples except Chinese and Europeans. He is later deposed by his own seven highest councillors, who form a hereditary oligarchic council, the Seven T’ang. They were appalled by his ruthless tactics, but were still fine with ruling a world without the old world’s racial strife.)

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  43. The Aristocracy that Mao Zedong destroyed was probably one of the most formidable castes that ever existed.

    Think about the 1% of Imperial China. Five million people with 120+ IQ, without the problems of inbredness of European Aristocracies because it was open to smart but poor kids, completely nationalistic to the point of being chauvinists, a track record of 2000 years ruling the largest state on Earth.

    Than comes Mao, shoots or expels all of them and destroy much of the artistic works those people spent 2000 years producing. Once, again, thanks God the Communists won in 1949

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  44. Furthermore, I would argue that East Asia, particularly China, IS a freer place when it comes to idea and economics. It is a wild west where you can essentially do anything you can get away with, including illegal stuff. The difference is that while the West enforces a blanket notion of “freedom”, China enforces “blind spots” where you can’t go. So unless your brilliant invention idea involves Uyghur independence or something, it’s not really a problem.

    I prefer a strong government, big or small, that serves the interests of the ethnostate through whatever means necessary

    China is certainly much freer than the US and Europe wrt ideas, and probably economically too, even though most Americans would rather shot themselves instead of accepting that.

    I completely second the big-state serving the nation. But I am not so sure that the current government of China does that. if anything, news about booming African immigration to Southern China point in the opposite direction

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  45. Too fatalistic.

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  46. Can these fuckin political scholars take this shit elsewhere. Irrelevant.

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  47. I wish CH would do something about the trolls who post under other peoples’ handles. Very annoying…

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    • It was kinda funny when done to Amy once; but now its just completely vaginal behavior.

      And when a dude uses another dudes screen name, thats just gay.

      I bet they are bastard sons of single moms.

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      • Agreed. The shit is WAY WAY out of hand and makes this place start to look like some fucking junior high school. I find it incredibly immature / distracting to allow this tomfoolery to persist.

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    • Whoever monitors the board seems to be more concerned with trapping the J- and N-words.

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