Leaving Her Better Than You Found Her? Not Likely

It’s a common admonition from pickup artists that you should leave a girl better than you found her. I suppose mainstream PUAs (well, as mainstream as PUA gurus can get) say this to soften the perception that game is horribly cynical and manipulative. While they are right to claim that game is a blessing to women in much the same way that women exercising to stay sexy and slender is a blessing to men, they are veering into hyperbole to suggest that leaving a girl after you have gamed her into however many nights of sweaty sex is going to make her a better person.

Let’s examine the suppositions behind this smooth but empty incantation. Assume the average pickup artist meets a girl he likes and they date (read: screw) for a few months. Because he is a guy who knows game, she really digs him. At this three-month critical juncture, he has a few options before him: he can choose to stick it out for longer in monogamous isolation chamber hell bliss, he can lie about seeing other girls, he can somehow convince her to be part of his harem, or he can dump her to chase fresh tail. That last choice is what we’re interested in. What would be the reasons a man would leave a girl he is banging?

– he found a hotter girl
– the full extent of her horrid personality came to light
– she gained weight or suffered facial disfigurement from an accident or attack (hey, it’s a cruel world)
– he is bursting with ball juice and can’t go more than three months without sampling new pussy
– a hotter ex came back into his life
– he cheated and decided leaving her was preferable to staying with her in penance prison, offering his manly dignity as sacrificial lamb
– he just got plain tired of banging her and needed his single life back
– he moved far away, or she moved far away
– she started pressing him to move the relationship forward
– he caught her cheating

There are, I’m sure, other reasons why a man would leave a chick, but I think I’ve hit upon the most common ones. Now ask yourself this simple question: under any of the above dumping scenarios where the man has dumped a girl who really liked him (excluding the scenario where he caught her cheating), do you honestly believe the girl is going to feel better about herself afterwards? Happier? More content with life? Filled with joy and whimsy? Will she be a BETTER PERSON, whatever the fuck that means?

The answer is contained in the absurdity of the question. Of course, she won’t be happy. I doubt she’ll be much of a better person, either. Most girls who have torrid flings with alphas might learn what kind of player warning signs to watch for, but their hearts will ache for one more of his touches, and they won’t be able to bond very well with any future men who don’t rise to the standards set by her alpha ex.

When women get dumped by men they love, they get hurt. Ask any woman recently dumped by an alpha boyfriend, and you will most assuredly not hear a melodious note of happiness in her voice. What you will hear is pain, sorrow, regret, an inability to focus on anything, and even a sense of guilt (“I nagged him too much!”). There will be tears, anger and spite. What there won’t be is some Anthony Robbins-like revelation of self improvement.

So, no, gaming a girl and bringing much joy, sexual pleasure and emotional fulfillment into her life won’t carry over into making her happier or a better person once you remove that source of joy by dumping her. You can tell yourself that the fond memories you gave her will put a bounce in her step and help her realize how fortunate she was to have spent some time with an alpha male, but in reality those memories will be like stones dangling from heavy chains tied to her soul. They will haunt her for years, even into the bed of whatever future beta she marries.

Don’t believe me? Exhibit A. Meaty Monica won the fat chick lottery and got to chomp on Bill’s super alpha stogie, and to this day, aging and fatter than ever, she can’t get let go of him. Whatever lackluster beta she was suited for in the years to follow couldn’t compare to Bill, and so her fond memories have shackled her to a miserable life of sadness and loneliness. There is no escape for the woman whose sexual market value was temporarily artificially inflated by an alpha male on the hunt for a convenient hole.

When women get dumped, they do not become better people or happier people. In 99% of male-initiated dumpings (granted, this number will always be less than the number of women dumping men, owing to the mechanism of female hypergamy), the woman reacts primarily in one of two ways.

1. She broods and licks her wounds, unleashing her sorrow on girl friends and family. In extreme cases, she will retreat to a corner in her bedroom and gaze at the wall for a few days, sustaining herself on bits of orange and water. Her cat’s fur will become soaked and matted with her tears.

2. She lashes out bitterly with rage and spite. These types aren’t as common as type #1, and that’s a good thing, for they can be a nuisance at best and a criminal threat at worst. Type 2s, slave to their uncontrollable pain and anger, will attempt to poison the well of whatever friendships or associations you shared. She will, in varying degrees, stalk you, harass you, slander you and generally try to make it difficult for you to get her out of your life without a restraining order.

This, aspiring PUAs, is what is known as leaving a woman WORSE than you found her. A more accurate description than the la-dee-da twaddle I’ve seen peddled by some otherwise sensible pickup artists.

Women suffer the hardship of breakups worse than alpha males, (though probably not any worse, and more likely better, than beta males, who are truly knee deep in the shit when they are suddenly left without a partner). An alpha male knows his prospects are virtually limitless and his time horizon longer than any woman’s. A breakup he initiates is a renewed license of freedom and sexual escapade. Even a breakup he doesn’t initiate has little impact on his life; he’ll feel bad for five minutes and fix himself right by hitting the bar that night for new numbers.

Women, in contrast, have a smaller fertility window than men, (which is just a proxy for a beauty window), and they know that each failed relationship exacts a bigger toll on their marketability and their psyches than it does on any man’s. A breakup after two years with an alpha male can leave a woman in an emotional shambles, and her real life prospects noticeably dimmed, because her dating and marriage value begins depreciating right after her early 20s, and speeding up to terminal velocity by her mid 30s. Conversely, a man’s dating and marriage value RISES right up until his 40s, give or take five years, and can conceivably continue rising well into late middle age if he has compensating attractive traits for his physical decline. Women have no such option.

It would be wise for you Don Juans to remember that, the next time you rationalize that your leaving her will actually make her a better person. There is no spinning away the ugly reality with a sappy cliche. Better to embrace your wicked choice and feast on the brutality of it all. Makes for a more invigorating life.





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  1. What do you recommend to women whom are dumped by an alpha and can’t seem to be satisfied by other men?

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    • 3 (or 4?) years on, I have a girl who calls me every day. “Daddy, I still love you!”.

      She can’t seem to bond with other boys.

      I do everything to discourage her. Including not answering, or being pert when answering. Gently telling her to move on. Screaming at her. Nothing helps.

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      • You break it, you bought it. Wha can we say?

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      • She’s wrecked, maybe for life. Even after she “settles down” with a beta in desperation, you will not leave her soul – and some portion of what you have done will torment her to the end of her days.

        Is it worth it to do this to a woman? May be it is – whether an alpha stepped into her life or not, she would, as she likely has, gone about blithely blue-balling betas, completely oblivious to the destruction she was wrecking, and indeed has likely wrecked, on men whose only misfortune it is to be beta.

        I dont know – it seems between the devil and deep sea to some extent. That said, I agree with most here – we men gotta do what we gotta do – alpha up and pump-n-dump.

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      • Is she nice looking, a good lay and fun to be with? You could do worse.

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      • Tell her about your love for Lazytown. That should send her away pronto!

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      • She calls you ‘daddy’?

        Serious histrionic personality disorder coupled with dependancy and father issues.

        Only way is psychotherapy.

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  2. Dick. Now I need to find a new rationalisation.

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  3. I guess Monica’s really upset that she didn’t pull the aging cougar trick and used that blue dress to get herself pregnant.

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  4. on September 9, 2011 at 3:50 pm WongTonEggroll

    Boohoo that is the cost of being with an alpha. All women subconsciously know Alphas rarely stick around. Women want their good genes and their commitment, but they know deep down they will rarely get both in a alpha. So they take a risk and try to get his genes and have a beta raise them. I just find their bitterness is irrelevant to the larger context of life.

    I agree with you that there is no point in trying to leave a woman better off than when you found her. It’s not your responsibility because she knew the risks of getting with a alpha and shes going to become bitter you dumped her no matter what. Many beta’s became bitter when they saw her let a uncaring alpha bang them time and time again for free. Once again boohoo. Pick yourself up and move on.

    Like it was stated at the end, women dont deserve any mercy, for every alpha who dumped her she turned down and hurt many betas. This isnt a one way street. Fact is someone is always going to be bitter because there’s always going to be the haves and the have nots. If Monica Lewinsky had snagged Bill someone else would of got hurt they got dumped by Bill. Not all of us can be happy because there is always going to be a pecking order, time to accept it.

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  5. Holy crap. I’ve destroyed a few women. But hey, I used to get crushed myself,

    Part of the game is being a selfish dick.

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  6. Whatever the subject, I enjoy your writing. You know how to string words together with style.

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  7. I remember an early break up I had with a girlfriend. I went roller skating while she was alone in her room. I found out because her mother tracked me down and asked for some intervention. Women just love to dive deep in shit when things are bad. Men know its time to get a new puppy.

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  8. Shorter blog post: Fuck ’em.

    I like it.

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  9. this should cheer her up:

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  10. Monica Lewinsky times 100 is the new definition of women in America. Fatty, hooks up with Alpha, doesn’t realize she’s just disposable, thinks she’s entitled to an Alpha, decreases mating market options for Beta males by her marginal outcome.

    No women are not left “better.” The solution is for more female friends/relations to tell them the brutal truth — that for 95% of all women, the best they can be is a disposable object for an Alpha. That’s it. Sex is just sex, only Giselle Bundchen gets Tom Brady, and they’re not Giselle Bundchen. Won’t happen though. Most women would choose Monica’s life over say, a Beta Male in love with her.

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    • I’d say them choosing Monica’s life would be worth it if they manage d to actually get the alpha to pregnate them. I mean think, if you were a women you’d probably want that Alpha’s genes over boring beta Steve who works at the factory. This is one the first time in history women can raise alpha bastard spawn by themselves with a good chance of them surviving and passing on their genes.

      But Monica didnt get pregnant and in that regard shes a epic fail. Living the type of life Monica is living for 5 minutes of fun with a alpha is only worth it when they have his child.

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      • “Living the type of life Monica is living for 5 minutes of fun with a alpha is only worth it when they have his child.”

        Exactly! Don’t use contraception when you’re with an alpha 🙂
        (and hope he’ll only give you his DNA and not his DNA+gonorrhea (not cool when the baby gets infected) or maybe even only gonorrhea+HIV)

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      • Maya, how many times do I have to tell you: we don’t need “contraception” because I only fuck your ass and mouth.

        Please remember this basic rule!

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    • “Won’t happen though. Most women would choose Monica’s life over say, a Beta Male in love with her.”

      Well, but this can be argued that overall it was better. Not happy at the end, but still better than nothing.

      Looking back I’ve had been with some absolutely whack insane women. At the time it felt like hell on earth. But in the end I did get some mind blowing sex out of it and at least eventually learned some of the types of women to avoid. So while I was almost clinically depressed due to the relationships all in all I wound up better because of it.

      So just because she was left (hopefully temporarily) sad or even depressed over me leaving it is still possible that in the end she is better for it.

      After all, she did get to spend some time with me.

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    • This is true. It’s called “not settling.”

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  11. I believe the nature of women is to be miserable after an alpha leaves them.

    Rarely will women appreciate being graced by the presence, cock, and perhaps somewhat long term commitment of the alpha male they dated.

    Immature.

    I appreciate the flings I’ve had in the past. I’ve learned different things about life from many chick I’ve been with. When they’re gone, I remember them and appreciate the memory of the experience.

    I believe the nature of women is to not be able to appreciate the memories. Perhaps it is immaturity or selfishness, perhaps it is deeper than that. But who really gives a shit.

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    • I also think they are meant to be miserable after an alpha leaves. They know subconsciously hes probably going to leave but its worth it if he gets you pregnant. But women epically fail when they spend their prime years having sex with alphas and have no kids to show for it.

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  12. @editor
    “Women, in contrast, have a smaller fertility window than men, (which is just a proxy for a beauty window), and they know that each failed relationship exacts a bigger toll on their marketability and their psyches than it does on any man’s. A breakup after two years with an alpha male can leave a woman in an emotional shambles, and her real life prospects noticeably dimmed, ”

    You got it backwards, at least evolutionarily speaking. The smaller beauty
    window is a proxy for the smaller fertility window, not the other way round.

    But the second part has some truth, but greatly amplified by her own
    attitude. Sample phrase for any relationship lasting more than
    three months: “Boohoo, I gave him my best years”. Well, what is spent
    is spent, and she’d be much better off moving on.

    And if she is not a dimwit emotionally (although many are) she’ll
    hook up with a decent high-ranking beta and make a life of it.

    Thor

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    • I tend to agree with Thor concerning beauty as a proxy for fertility.

      I’m confused about ch’s perspective. Is he taking the hedonistic view: that beauty is more fundamental than fertility?

      Or perhaps he just made a mistake and he takes the ‘pretty lies perish’ view where gender differences ultimately stem from an evolutionary description involving natural selection of beauty due to fertility potential. (Those women who had beauty survived with offspring, those who did not, perished.)

      Help please.

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      • Heartiste,

        Your posts are amazing. I have a question.

        Consider the goal of understanding and utilizing game, social dynamics and evolutionary selected gender differences and the psychology of women.

        Which is more foundational and fundamental, fertility or beauty?

        If fertility is more fundamental, then might we define an Alpha male as one who nature selects for, rather than against?

        If beauty is more fundamental, then might we define an Alpha male as one who is favorably received by beautiful women?

        [Heartiste: According to studies, female beauty is correlated with female fertility. So it may be the case that beauty and fertility are inextricably connected. It would make sense, then, that sexual selection has given men the strongest urge to mate with the most beautiful women.]

        These two definitions are not necessarily compatible or reconcilable with each other. Being received well by beautiful women, in today’s environment, may cause one to be naturally selected against.

        [If it is the case that beautiful women have fewer children than ugly women, that might be true for those alpha males who are able to monopolize the mating market for beautiful women. But I haven’t seen or heard of any evidence of that premise.]

        For instance, I am concerned that my knowledge of game affects the probability that I will have offspring. (lowers it)

        [Natural selection will favor those who are either too stupid to use contraceptives, or too enraptured by the thought of having babies. Game is no different than any other male status raising pursuit in that it will make you more attractive to more women. Whether to have kids is a decision you would have made regardless of game.]

        Can you help clarify?

        Best,
        Michael

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  13. These last three posts have been the best in quite a while. A blast from the good old days.

    per-evo-psych basics, women are hypergamous and much choosier than men, and so invest more emotionally in the pair-bond- once they’re satisfied that the man is as high-value as she can get. (On the theme of a previous post this week: the constant shit-testing, even within an LTR, is like relationship-evaluating sonar for females, done essentially subconsciously: she has to be sure her mate continues to exhibit high-value behaviors to remain convinced he’s the best she can get.) So being dumped by such a man naturally will hit them hard.

    Kudos to the honesty in this post- “leave them better than you found them” has always seemed like so much pabulum to me. Of course, it’s possible to have an amicable break-up, or drifting apart, or whatever- but those are rare.

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  14. You could leave her a better person if you burn her so badly that she abandons the dark side in favor of betas. I’m not sure if it could take.

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    • For this reason and realization of their declining SMV, some women do switch to betas and I think it does make them happier, once they train their brains to not be so concerned with gina tingles and act more rationally.

      I knew a girl that was a grade A lawyercunt, living in an urban area, and banging alphas. Now she is engaged to a lovely beta SWPL graphic designer and genuinely seems more happy with her life.

      [Heartiste: The switch always comes too late. Paging GBFM…
      “younger, hotter, tighter”]

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      • The switch comes too late for who according to who?

        Judge a woman by her actions, not her words. If women choose 5 minutes of alpha over settling for the highest caliber beta they could snag at the highest peak of their sexual marketability, then that is what they really, truly, fully, completely want.

        It’s not too late. It’s exactly what she wanted.

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      • ” genuinely seems more happy with her life.”

        and cries herself to sleep every nite.

        mother, it rhymes!! loulzlzzl

        the masks that she has to put on with the dweeb,
        come undone as the memories are back to haunt,
        once ravaged by wolves, now only valued by sheep,
        more and more to hide, less and less left to flaunt.

        Forget it, she thinks while putting on rouge;
        but painful lust-poison is the tepid beta splooge.

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      • on September 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

        long ago i got her
        younger hotter tighter
        & 57 pounds lighter
        now in divorce court you fight her
        all those letter you used to write her
        lozzlo

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  15. I´m a bit worse than you since I think women start losing their value right after 20, many, many times even before…

    The only way, I see dumping as a potential way of improving women, is if their suffering makes them think twice before making their next man suffer.

    The truth is, most women are spoiled little brats, and being treated as princesses only makes them worse, so there is a possibility, that a huge kick in the butt might work for some.

    More and more men need to learn game, it´s the only way for the dating market to be equal again.

    What you see now, is 6´s waitresses thinking they have the right to have a good looking, intelligent lawyer as husband and flaking everywhere, and flaking with guys that are better than them in every aspect.

    Men need to learn game, be more selective, and learn a bit of hypergamy with women, that should be enough to put their fat asses again in the gym .

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  16. Better ugly truth than pretty lies.

    Pretty lies must die.

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  17. Finally we get our comeupance! Remember that ridiculous Dear Woman video? Well now we finally get an apology for Feminism!

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    • on September 9, 2011 at 6:27 pm Lysander S. Polk

      Geez Louise, just be quiet and go away. Make me a sandwich first, though. Thanks.

      These women while speaking the truth, don’t believe a word they are saying and are lying through their teeth.

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    • Ok, that’s nice. But it makes me want to vomit almost as mush as the Dear Woman video (It was cringe inducing)

      Why can’t we woman just put a video out there that says “You know what? We SERIOUSLY fucked up and we’re sorry. Here’s your sandwich. Oh . . . and a beer.”

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    • Christ, that’s too tedious.

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    • The video actually was not half as bad as the “Dear Woman” video perpetrated a few months back.

      Of note–the “Dear Woman” video featured men of many races, of many age ranges, young and old.

      This particular video primarily featured older white women. It’s a worthy effort, I’ll give them credit mostly because a lady on that video looked like my grandmother, who is a great lady. So I can’t and won’t say anything derogatory about the video nor the women in it.

      Yet the video is tough to take seriously due to a lack of young and attractive females voicing appreciation for men.

      Older women can certainly appreciate men, especially in retrospect, but until that knowledge passes onto the younger generation, the current trends in the SMP will prevail.

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      • First time I’ve heard of these videos. I watched both and the Dear Man one has more women of color while the Dear Woman one only had 1 black man.

        I don’t agree with either video, by the way.

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  18. Agree with this. There are only more cruel or less cruel ways to dump a girl.

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  19. I think many men know this on a subconscious level. A successful reformed beta is out for blood. He knows that he’s gonna hurt women. I’ve been there until my first post-game LTR. Even natural alphas are sometimes on the prowl aiming to settle accounts with the female gender at the expense of random conquests.
    I’ve always been skeptical when i read that claim on pua forums, and i’m glad that this blog is setting the records straight.
    However, I am not so sure about one night stands. Maybe you can make a girl feel better about herself (her seduction power, her ability to attract valuable men…) if you act aloof and gentle, only for one night. If you stick around for other samples, she may start investing emotionally.
    Not that one night stands are recommandable for chicks (too many ONS=slut), but maybe that claim of those PUA gurus has something to do with this assumption.

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  20. Thank you for pointing out the hamster does not run just for she, but also for me, or anyone who does not acknowledge the consequences of their actions. The only solution though is to pursue monogamous LTRs, which is what I prefer, although it would be anathema for a good percentage of alphas.

    With Monica Lewinsky, I agree with you that is part of her problem, but I also can’t help but wonder if no guy considers her worth it. Anyone dating or marrying her knows the first thing people are going to think when they see her with him. If she were hot enough that could be balanced against this negative, but frankly she isn’t. If my choice is single forever or be with her and be the butt of Clinton jokes for the rest of my life, I choose single forever.

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    • The irony is that if Lewinski were male, he would have hot women crawling all over him just due to the fact that he has any sort of infamy. Same with Sinead O’Connor. Problem for them is, men don’t really give a shit about fame like women do.

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  21. Amazing how women (and especially betas) can not grasp the realization that “game” or the “crimson arts”, is deadly to those who know not how to wield it’s powers. Let alone protect themselves from the psychological ramifications of being manipulated. Thanks for these posts, it keeps a man strategically on point when dueling/dealing with the most vividly captivating, viciously cunning and tantalizingly creature placed on Earth: Woman. Men need to understand that relationships within the context of our day and age have unfortunately under gone a degeneration. Men desiring LTR’s are cautioned to sparringly place any similitude of what is perceived as love into these unpredictable creatures. Fail not to use any conceivable method to maintain or enhance your level of power within a relationship. IT’S A DIRTY GAME. PLAY OR BE PLAYED!

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    • oh please. is it so bad for a guy? yeah….maybe, having read the archives here, countering my assumption that it’s a man’s world. at my advanced sexually irrelevant age (thank god!) when i should have known better the idea that men held all the cards still prevailed in my head. who knew!

      what a miserable world we’ve created. the 50’s environment with all its hypocrisy was superior. a terrible choice for idealists: their desired scenario isn’t an option, rather the lesser of two evils.

      i tel my daughters to be skeptical of the delusional thinking out there and start looking for a life partner pronto. i tell my boys the same come to think of it.

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      • “oh please. is it so bad for a guy? yeah….maybe, having read the archives here,…”

        For beta’s with no knowledge of game that yearn to have an LTR with a young, healthy woman of SMV 8 , it truly is.

        For an aspiring to well refined alpha it is only a series of challenges, some may be more easily overcome than others.

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      • Don’t tell your boys anything. Give them the mystery method and shut up.

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  22. The question is irrelevant because no one will ever see a woman worried about the symmetrical situation.

    Women just rejects betas with laughs, destroy families for eat pray love, etc.

    Why in the Earth we should worry about their feelings when they receive the same?

    [Heartiste: I sympathize with your point, but there are some good women out there who will get washed away in the riptide.]

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  23. I’ll claim credit for being the first person in this ‘sphere to articulate this insight. A few years ago I wrote that “Mystery’s directive to leave them better than you found them is a paradox” , or something like that.

    In writing that, Mystery was either padding his book with feminist-pacifying feel-goodism, or he was just writing a great book with grounbreaking analysis on the tactical level but not one that looks at female nature more insightfully than necessary for his subject-matter.

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    • “In writing that, Mystery was either padding his book with feminist-pacifying feel-goodism, or he was just writing a great book with grounbreaking analysis”

      The first assumption is more likely correct. Mystery probably suspected that his book would provoke a feminist-driven shitstorm. And he had to lubricate the passage into mainstream with some politically correct hogwash.
      I think (hope) that the guy is too smart and perceptive to overlook that aspect of female nature. As an alleged reformed beta himself, a part of him is out there for revenge. The revenge of geeks and nice guys over women’s hamster-driven hypergamy and scandalous craving for alpha bad boys.

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    • The fact that we’re even talking about this and feel even a tinge of guilt about having done this destroys the feminist myth that all men are ruthless players who pump and dump.

      Women meantime have no guilt whatsoever when they dump/LJBF, or lose attraction for a guy.

      Perhaps the point of this post is to destroy the rationalizing or myth that there’s a nice way of leaving. There isn’t.

      But whether men should feel guilt about it is another story.

      This blog is filled with questions and strategies for re-igniting attraction from a flagging relationship.

      Also, I’ve been in situations where when I’ve dumped a girl and felt bad about it…the girl actually gets more angry…it’s like being indecisive or beta.

      Invariably, if you dump a girl you’ve gamed properly she will always come back or make overtures to meet up again.

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      • Agree with points made.

        Whenever I feel “bad” or have “pangs of guilt” [ladies we are human, we do have emotional response] I go through some very quick or even more involved state change exercises.

        I just had to dump this very cute solid 8 which I’ve been hanging out with (aka banging ruthlessly) for the past month. Long story short, she just got so annoying- calling/txting all the time. She is devestated. Long voice mails of crying, how much she likes me etc…

        While I’ve had some pangs of guilt because I see I’ve truly hurt someone, I simply recall episodes of my prior beta behavior where I’ve been dumped by a cheating gf, or used in orbit etc. And when those recalled feelings emerge it easily washes away my guilt.

        Truth is: 1) I have other options 2) her overly needy calling/txting has killed my attraction to her 3) I’ve repeatedly accomplished my sexual agenda with her

        Am I leaving her better off than I found her? Don’t care. Think she ever gave a shit about the betas that she used for attention and LJBF’d, no she didn’t. And I know this because I was the guy giving her multiple orgasms while these clowns were txting/calling her. The best was when she rolled over in my bed naked to check her phone after sex. With spots of my cum dried up on her face she shows me the txt thread and says “why does [beta guy #2] keep txting me? I haven’t responded in 2 days.” Instead of just not responding or maybe telling him the truth that she’s seeing someone, she replys and further spins the small talk orbiter cycle. Not even an inkling of thought or care about this poor schlub. Only serving her selfish emotionally disturbed need for male attention and validation.

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      • Useful anecdote to highlight Heartiste’s point in this post. @AlphaAnon – I agree with you, and I believe you did the moral thing here. Girls put guys into beta orbit causing extreme pain, alphas merely reverse the script – bring balance back to the force.

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  24. I guess I was this option:

    “he just got plain tired of banging her and needed his single life back”

    I got tired of sleeping with my girl after a month and ended up destroying her. I regret it. Self described alphas would say “eh who cares go to the next girl” but I guess I would prefer to have been the 4th guy to wreck her rather than the 1st.

    It’s right though; if you are doing business with women it is hard to leave them better off; they get wrecked over and over.

    Unless of course you were married then the guy can be left worse off (financially).

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  25. I went on a date with a woman last night. She’s 32 and cute. It went well and if I go forward, we will likely be banging soon. But this morning my conscious was getting to me.

    Soon she will be hitting the wall. She’s lasted this long by taking care of herself and not smoking, drinking, & fucking excessively. She’s actually a really nice person. Do I really want to do this to her?

    Wouldn’t I feel better if I just told her it’s not going to work instead of banging her for a few months and then doing this to someone else? Would that not be better for both of us?

    [Heartiste: I’ve had similar thoughts. If it helps, just imagine her stringing along some hapless beta in LJBF hell for a few years, getting her emotional needs met. Does she feel guilt?
    Probably not.
    Carry on, nihilist soldier.]

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    • I have had multiple women (some of them completely unclothed) leave my bed due to my conscience. I did not want to hurt them. The few STRs (and a couple of LTRs) I did have, were indeed win-win, since I worked hard to help each of them. Indeed I have been invited to their weddings, tho I am not sure what to make of that.

      And this is why this blog is just so fucking brilliant.

      Truth comes first because (in Sanskrit: Satyameva Jayate) truth alone triumphs. The motto of this blog is “where pretty lies perish”. The basis of all science is always data, and the basis of all law is always evidence. Reality is the only foundation for real things. And since one has only this life to live, one ignores reality at one’s own peril.

      Where I part ways with our host is where he suggests that this is nihilism. I strongly believe that adherence to reality is the moral way – and since pump-and-dumps are fully in consonance with women’s natures (unless they use their god-given heads to gleefully seek beta sperm), I believe that our host acts virtuously, not nihilistically.

      Now if I could only force myself to drink my own medicine the next time I get a vixen into bed …

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    • @Heartiste,

      “If it helps, just imagine her stringing along some hapless beta in LJBF hell for a few years, getting her emotional needs met. Does she feel guilt?
      Probably not.”

      Yeah. Projection is a very useful defense mechanism.

      [Heartiste: It appears you don’t know what projection is, unless you can twist it to fit your cunty agenda.]

      It’s best to say that others are as bad as you are – or better – say that they are even worse!

      [Or it’s best to face reality head on and admit to yourself that the widely-held belief that young pretty women tend to string along beta schlubs in sexless perpetuity to meet their emotional needs is true and relevant to this discussion.]

      You just produced a very good justification for your behavior. Feed your hamster regularly.

      [Do you feel the burn of rage every time you read about the female hamster on this blog? I hope so.]

      Do you really think that five minutes of pleasure when sleeping with her will be worth the consequences she will suffer?

      [Do women really think that five years of cockteasing betas with be worth the consequences the betas suffer?
      Rhetorical.]

      @mrsyme,

      don’t sleep with her.

      [Can you give mrsyme as much pleasure as his penis can give him?

      I expect you to answer none of my questions truthfully and to evade them entirely as is the wont of your whimsical gender.]

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    • We are told relentlessly that if and when we expose our inner beta, attraction will begin to wane. if you want to dump a girl,simply get beta! Be excessively affectionate and helpful. Cry. Share her taste. I think a lot of reformed betas have a deep down urge to do this stuff anyway! Then-let her do the dumping. “Oh Suzie,,please dont go!” “Its for the best.” If all else fails,let her catch you in ladies panties. I think I have a movie script here. Certainly better than anything Matt MacConaughey has done.

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      • on September 13, 2011 at 4:44 pm Divorce Brainteaser

        Becoming beta doesn’t work. Of course the sex will wither and die, but typically she will keep you on the hook and in the relationship forever. Especially true if you are married. Why cut off the paychecks and other forms of support? She will just secretly bang someone else, or openly preoccupy herself with non-sexual pursuits that make her too preoccupied for sex with her husband.

        If you think I am saying this just because I am a bitter beta husband, well, you are right.

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    • on September 10, 2011 at 1:00 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

      DUDE lzozlzlzl! You wirte, “She’s lasted this long by taking care of herself and not smoking, drinking, & fucking excessively.” lozozlzl omg lzozlozlzllz omg lzlozlozlozlozlozlo omg lzozozlo

      what do you mean by she hasn’t been fucking excessiveley???:

      let’s see, since she prorba started fucking fuciing when she wa s16, did you spy on all her fufkcing sesissoisosn to make susre she didnd’t fufncck edxcelelcicveley? lzozlozlozozooz

      did you make ssusure??

      and when you ask a chcikla how many peopel they have beenne with, you need to move the decimal point one place to the right lzozlozlozlozol. so like if she says 3 ut is closer to 30 lzozozozlo but she won’t count them as she didn’t swallow or he pulled out or some other rule she made up to keep the numebe rway down low wlwoozlozlz

      dude if she is 32 she had plenty of ahcnees to tie the knowt iwth agood man a good guy zlzozozlzlooz but she igonered them all to ride da GBFM taattooeed lostsa cockas 4 da ladies bbro zlzlolzlz

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    • Heartiste: I’ve had similar thoughts. If it helps, just imagine her stringing along some hapless beta in LJBF hell for a few years, getting her emotional needs met. Does she feel guilt?
      Probably not.
      Carry on, nihilist soldier.

      “Just imagine…”. You may say that this is what women generally do, but in this case, you don’t know her, you never met her. So for you to advise him to imagine her stringing hypothetical men along to make himself feel better, to assume such a thing, isn’t right at all.

      mrsyme,
      Just ASK her what she wants in the relationship. If all she wants is sex or FWB, then ok. If she wants more, let her go. As much as guys harp on about how slutty women in this country are, you would think they would be able to find one who has no problem with open relationships.

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    • Solution Mrsyme–

      Get the lay, bang her real good, have a fling with her for two or three months without getting all emotional with her or letter her be, see other girls so you don’t see her too much.

      Then if / when she starts making noises about “where is this going” or “take the next step” “where are we in this relationship” — tell her you’re not ready for anything serious, and if she wants that she should look for her willing to get serious and then married Mr. Right. But suggest remaining fuck buddies in the meantime, so she doesn’t have up her number count just to get some sex while looking.

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    • i don’t understand the hesitation here. if she decides to fuck you, why would you stop yourself and tell her ‘this isn’t going to work’?

      HIT THAT SHIT WITH NO REGRETS. PLOW IT LIKE YOURE GONNA DIE TOMORROW

      because guess what, if it’s not you, it’ll be some other guy who taps it, and he’ll be laughing his ass off when she tells him about that chump she dated who turned down her pussy because of a guilty conscience.

      she will hit the wall regardless of whether you bang her or not, it’s got nothing to do with you. so why would you feel guilty about any of this?

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      • Agreed – I am thankful to the community in helping me get past this hang-up.

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      • @itsme,

        Superb post. Free of the melodramatic, moralizing language that too often infests these comments.

        It’s laughable how many men believe they’ve “destroyed” their sluts. Those sluts are on their knees drinking cum this very second, pal.

        Fuck it like you’re gonna die tomorrow is *great* advice.

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      • itsme,

        i think you’re very wrong. the best what mrsyme could do would be telling her the truth and than being her friend and helping her with advice how to find a husband. she obviously has no idea if she’s still into casual sex at 32.

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      • there’s no right or wrong, only cost vs. benefits.

        from the man’s perspective, there is nothing to be gained from doing what you suggest. her problems are not his problems.

        from the perspective of a damaged woman who diddles her clit trolling pua blogs hoping that one day a mighty alpha riding a magical white unicorn will rescue her from the rapidly rising waters of sociosexual irrelevance, it is the best thing to do.

        thanks again for reinforcing the concept that men should ignore women’s dating advice.

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      • “from the man’s perspective, there is nothing to be gained from doing what you suggest. her problems are not his problems.”

        after he sleeps with her he will have to dump her and break her heart – is it so fun when you hurt someone???

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  26. I once read in this blog somthing like “there has to be a balance in the universe, how many betas with the best intentions got ljbf’d and rejected without any sympathy by women, pump and dumpin’ women acomplishes that”

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  27. The “leave her better than you found her” was conceptualized by Mystery when he was at the height of his LA/Hollywood clubbing days at strip clubs and other hot night spots where women are very open to one night stands. He wasn’t dealing with girlfriend material types. Everyone knows the score. If a man and woman can agree to show each other a good time and provide each other with a great bang for a night or 2 with no strings attached, as long as they are using prophylactics, whats the harm?

    [Heartiste: No problem with that. But at some point, even one night stands wear women down. They aren’t as psychologically equipped as men to handle them. Anyhow, the platitude got stretched out over the years by others besides Mystery to include any sort of relationship with women.]

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    • Having sex, and especially having an orgasm, floods the brain with oxytocin. oxytocin makes people, especially girls, feel more attached to each other.

      so no matter how hardcore a girl is, no matter how many times she says shes only into the sex and not interested in a relationship… she still gets attached to a man shes had sex with.

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      • “she still gets attached to a man shes had sex with.”
        Except when he’s beta, right? Seriously, this “women always get attached to the man they sleep with” sounds fishy to me, because women are less likely to have sex without some kind of love/ strong attraction that can develop into love anyway. You guys can have sex with girls who you don’t even fancy that much (like if no one better is availible). Women have to have the spark, or whatever you call it…
        Of course, that oxytocin thing is true, but why doesn’t it work with every guy?

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      • You can probably build up a resistance (receptor downregulation). And if there’s no orgasm involved, there’s no oxytocin…

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  28. Don’t let the trappings of modern life fool you. We’re still in the jungle.

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    • Yeah and were about to go right back to it because of a society that is forcing each man to be alpha to have children. Civilization can only survive with a few alphas because everyone else is beta and tolerates it. When everyone is alpha everyone loses civilization wise. Oh well it has to be this way to bring balance back because betas arent getting compensation for being betas and sustaining civilization anymore. If the choice is between me losing out to alphas or winning and civilization collapsing, im choosing the latter, to hell with civilization

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  29. A bit off-topic, but I found that some girls with abusive alpha fathers and low self-esteem will do the opposite of what you’d expect them to do – they learn to be repulsed by alphas in person, even if they might be attracted to them in their own head. Sure some low self-esteem girls go for alpha jerks, but the opposite is also often true. I don’t have a big sample size for this, but I’ve heard of this from other people as well.

    Apart from that, your post seems like a good reason to stay away from alphas forever…

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    • That’s why real men make women qualify themselves.

      I don’t date fucked up women. I have a history of walking away within fifteen minutes of a first date.

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  30. Plenty of women are down for one night stands, short term dating with no strings attached and open relationships. I find that when I’m clear on what I want and what my own boundaries are, my female counterparts find me. Its almost a mystical experience.

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  31. Nah.

    Your description’s flawed from the start. What’s best for a person isn’t always what makes them happy. If a kid steals cookies and you discipline him, is he gonna’ feel happy? Content with life? Filled with joy and whimsy?

    No. But that doesn’t mean you let him take a cookie. Teaching him not to steal shit is making him a better person. He’s sad in the moment, but in the long-term he’s better off.

    People who don’t understand what “Leave her better than you found her” means haven’t been in a lot of relationships. A PUAs abundance mentality, confidence, ability to read people, understanding of psychology and self-help concepts, ability to make tough decisions, etc. makes him well-equipped to positively influence a person’s life.

    Take the scenario of picking up a MILF. PUA rules for that particular situation:

    – Don’t tell a chick you love her just to get in her pants, you’re confident and can get laid elsewhere easy enough to not have to resort to that.

    – Don’t string along older women and waste their prime child-bearing and husband-finding years, that’s not cool, you know you’re not her Mr. Right so don’t waste her time.

    – Don’t meet her kids unless you want to become their dad, you could damage the kid’s psyche pretty bad.

    When the PUA breaks up with her, there’s no damage to her kid, the MILF has had a fun confidence-boosting adventure and feels sexy again, and she’s back in the dating pool with plenty of time to meet some nice provider guy. Plus the PUA let her know it was just a fun time going in, so she wasn’t expecting him to settle down with her (even if she hoped it might happen).

    Average guys would meet a MILF with a kid, lie about being in love with her to get in her pants since they’re desperate and need to get laid, meet her kids because they’re too weak-willed to say “no” or too desperate to risk losing sex that they have to cave, and if down the road they lose interest in the MILF they would keep dating her for years before finally growing the balls to end things because they’re too weak to man up and don’t have any other female options waiting for them.

    When the average guy breaks up with her, her kid ends up with trust issues (both her dad AND her “new dad” have walked out on them), the MILF is old and withered and crushed because she thought for sure this was her chance but it’s years later and now she’s past her prime and no other guys want her, and she feels betrayed and used and bitter.

    Which guy left her better than he found her?

    Is she happy the PUA left her? No, of course not, she’d love to land him for good. But does she come out of it a better person? Especially compared to how the average guy would handle the situation? Hell ya.

    Oldschool PUAs used to give eachother shit by quoting that “Leave her better than you found her” motto if a guy was doing something that would damage a girl. Modern pickup is so mainstream though that it’s like everyone has been given a loaded gun instead of just the responsible, trained police. Most newbie PUAs will never even hear that motto and will fuck up a lot of chicks, and that’s a shame.

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    • When the PUA breaks up with her, there’s no damage to her kid, the MILF has had a fun confidence-boosting adventure and feels sexy again, and she’s back in the dating pool with plenty of time to meet some nice provider guy. Plus the PUA let her know it was just a fun time going in, so she wasn’t expecting him to settle down with her (even if she hoped it might happen).

      Why do you think “feeling sexy again” would be good for her? She should be modest and nice (and not a cougar!) if she wanted to find a good boyfriend. (although I’m very much against bringing another, unknown man into a child’s world – especially I wouldn’t do it if I had a daughter).
      Maybe sleeping with an alpha boosts her confidence but it’s only harmful I’d say because she than again thinks she’s as hot as she was 10 years ago. And that really does not help her … It’s better to be realistic about your options than having your self esteem overinflated. Deluded people are so annoying.

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    • So, no love for the poor provider who might get stuck with her bastard child?

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  32. Game, just like Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinski… pump and dump after, oral the cigar-dildoing and (yes, it’s come out) doing her up the butthole (BUTTHEX!). Now, Bill Clinton’s living larger than he was and Monica’s just older and alone. Proof positive.
    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/is-that-you-monica/

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  33. “I’ll claim credit for being the first person in this ‘sphere to articulate this insight. A few years ago I wrote that “Mystery’s directive to leave them better than you found them is a paradox” , or something like that.

    In writing that, Mystery was either padding his book with feminist-pacifying feel-goodism, or he was just writing a great book with grounbreaking analysis on the tactical level but not one that looks at female nature more insightfully than necessary for his subject-matter.”

    Nope, it had to do with the demographic of women he was dealing with – hardcore LA/Hollywood club scene girls, mostly strippers, porn actresses and wannabe strippers and porn actresses. He admits that. Those are they types he likes. Or at least did at the time he coined that phrase. Leave them better than you found them means you show them a fun time, make them life, give them multiple orgasms (or at least one), and generally just be a cool, fun guy to be around.

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  34. “make them life”

    make them laugh

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  35. I have a real problem with people actively and with premediation going out and deliberately hurting people, be it men or women that are doing the hurting. I have too much natural compassion to do that myself.

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  36. Someone should explain this to this chick:

    Why are there female “PUAs” whatever the hell that means?

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    • She’s hot though, a solid 9.

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    • But… she’s making an excellent point towards the end of the video. I actually like this chick, but she’s participating in the demise of her own gender.

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      • Didn’t watch the whole video but I know about this girl from other sources and she seems really nice – I don’t believe she would wish anything bad to happen to other girls. She looks like a very normal (and very pretty!) woman. Maybe she’s just a bit naive? Someone should invite her to read this blog.

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      • But she also looks very much like a cocktease – hope she’s aware that this career can’t last forever … She’s 28 already. In 5-10 years she’ll look like a cougar IMO.

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      • I agree with you. Her point is basically to grow a pair. Has to be in the top-10 of Maxims.

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    • This fat-jawed tart with her wretched voice should be forcibly introduced to the joys of scat.

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    • on September 13, 2011 at 3:56 pm Ricardo di Matteo

      Have to admit that Kezia is talking quite a lot of sense.

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  37. “I went on a date with a woman last night. She’s 32 and cute. It went well and if I go forward, we will likely be banging soon. But this morning my conscious was getting to me.

    Soon she will be hitting the wall. She’s lasted this long by taking care of herself and not smoking, drinking, & fucking excessively. She’s actually a really nice person. Do I really want to do this to her?

    Wouldn’t I feel better if I just told her it’s not going to work instead of banging her for a few months and then doing this to someone else? Would that not be better for both of us?”

    mrsyme, its simple. Tell her you like her and the way you vibe with her. Tell her you’re interested in a short term no strings attached dating relationship. Chances are she’d be ok with dating you in the interum while she simultaneously looks for another guy who is more committment oriented.

    Win/win.

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  38. The cock carousel is not good for women. All the old rules were to protect women from their own worst instincts.

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  39. @ Heartiste
    You wrote a post which is so true. I do have one point of contention. Putting her in a harem will damage her soul as well. In any harem, a man will have a number ONE girl. That means that there is a girl or girls who are below number ONE. The number ONe girl will worry about being moved down in ranking. The below number ONE girl(s) will experience frustration and sorrow for not being number ONE no matter how much they try to hide or deny it. It is highly likely or at least possible that the number ONE girl will move down in ranking while another girl moves up to being the new number ONE even in a stable harem in which noone leaves or come in. In a unstable harem which is more common today, this is virtually certain. Think High Hefner.

    Most men want a physical harem one night stand(REVERSE GANGBANG). Most men would want harems, but they either don’t know how to get them nor handle them and know it, or they don’t want to deal with the drama associated with it. The mere idea of having multiple women having sex with oneself is even more pleasureable and fascinating than one woman doing the same. Multiple women, having dangerous teeth to a man’s family jewels, cooperating and competing at the same time by taking turns pleasuring a man orally by either taking turns or pleasing him simultaneously, then vaginally really makes their hamsters run dangerously fast for all of them and you, the man. It is the mere idea which sends virgin Muslim men in their belief that they will experience an orgy alone with 72 virgin women in Heaven to complete their suicide bombings against their percieved enemies while those who send them have their orgies with multiple women on Earth. Experiencing this is physical Heaven on Earth. Although having a different woman every night is fun and filled with variety which men also want, REVERSE GANGBANGS are more desirable for a man.

    Monica Lewinsky was never physically pretty and/or high status enough to even have sport sex with Bill Clinton. the mere fact that she thinks she was makes her delusional. She did and still does deserve to be ridiculed for her delusions. Bill Clinton should have avoided sticking his dick in Monica Lewinsky and derserves to be ridiculed and laughed at for going for such low hanging fruit as an alegedly high status man. Both deserve to be ridiculed and laughed at for what they did, but only Monica Lewinsky is still suffering for what she did. Let that be a lesson to you ladies.

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  40. I hope one of my comments got through as it looks like both were eaten and they say essentially the same thing.

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  41. on September 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm Eyelash in Gaza

    Women get a dose of oxytocin in their funny little brains when they orgasm. They are built to fall in live with the men the screw. The stronger the orgasm, i.e. the more Alpha a guy doing the rogering, the bigger the dose. They are built to bond and built to suffer when the bond is broken. That is not psychology, it is irrefutable brain chemistry.

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  42. The more women a man sleeps with in his sexual prime years, the more happier he becomes.

    The more men a woman sleeps with in her sexual prime years, the more messed up she becomes.

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    • Agreed. And that’s why game is messing up women big time, far worse today than even 20 years ago. Unfortunately, women have left us no choice at all – they do not use their god-given brains to chase beta sperm – so we have to do what we have to do.

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      • My question is, what do you expect women to do. If they’re no attracted to a guy, then they’re not going to chase him. Following the blog’s logic of alpha=automatic attraction, beta=not (which I don’t agree with), you expect women to chase men they’re not attracted to. How long do you think that relationship’s going to last?

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      • Here’s a far better question: which is more important in a man, to aid the success of the marriage and child-rearing that women claim to seek – physical and sexual attractiveness, or stability and compatibility? The answer is obvious. Women who fail are the ones who think they can find a man with both traits equally strong. Such a man doesn’t exist, or if he does he is too good for your lazy ass.

        You must prioritize – a responsible man to father your children, or a sexy man? Modern women have made their choice, with the result being the downfall of western civilization.

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      • Ya ya ya.

        Fire and brimstone for all evil doers.

        Scare women into fucking you with threats.

        As if that will work.

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    • “The more women a man sleeps with in his sexual prime years, the more happier he becomes.”

      Yeah. If those girls have his babies and continue to worship him even when he doesn’t have much time for them anymore. But when realizes that he’s been sleeping with damaged girls who became even more damaged after he dumped them – can this really make anyone happy?

      “The more men a woman sleeps with in her sexual prime years, the more messed up she becomes.”

      That’s true, I’ve observed the same thing. The mental illness probably starts soon after 25.

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      • “But when realizes that he’s been sleeping with damaged girls who became even more damaged after he dumped them – can this really make anyone happy?”

        Bedding many women is a right of passage of men because it is a challenge. A man that doesn’t get laid on a consistent basis with different women in his sexual prime will often have problems of self-esteem and the knowledge neccessary to keep a woman happy long terms. It is the reason why women do not chase nor like virgins or beta guys, they tend to chase the men that they know other women want too.

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  43. I’ve destroyed more than a few girls emotionally. Just part of being an alpha narcissist. I don’t like commitment. I don’t feel bad for them though. Just think of all the beta’s they have wrecked. Fuck em

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  44. Great post.

    Two points: one, Ieaving a girl “better” than you found her, in my eyes was always a social construct, not sexual. The girls I date all get expose to art, food, culture, and ideas that they’d never come close to, without me in their life. So even after they are left bereft by my absence, they are enriched in other ways.

    Secondly, even that idea goes out the window when one fully absorbs the Chateau red-pill: Five Minutes of Alpha beats Five Years of Beta for most women. Lewinsky is a case in point: she’s single and seemingly miserable now, but if she could do it all over again, you know she’d make the exact same choices. I believe she’s publicly said so.

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    • Exactly. If you are a beta provider man, and see a girl “throw away” her good years chasing alpha cock, you’ll counsel her, in your wisdom, that she is doing it wrong, and that true happiness resides in taking a long view, and living each day with the though of her golden years in mind.

      If you are a man with above average charisma and fucking skills, you’ll counsel her to not throw away her life on a beta provider, but at least once in her life experience true love, passion, lust, and mind blowing sex.

      Girls choose with their feet. The don’t prioritize their golden years. Why should men prioritize their golden years for them? We only do that when we are choosing the beta provider sexual strategy for ourselves.

      We aren’t thinking of what’s good for them, when we counsel them to marry, or not marry. We are thinking of what’s good for our personal dicks.

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      • “If you are a man with above average charisma and fucking skills, you’ll counsel her to not throw away her life on a beta provider, but at least once in her life experience true love, passion, lust, and mind blowing sex.”

        Dude. Stop looking in my damn windows and reading my journal! Ah, it just proves great minds think alike.

        Good example: a hot, superfreaky babe I was dating, she was a tatted-up, super-flexible 22-year old from the LBC, I dated her, dumped her for being crazy, but not before giving her several such talks.

        The result? She was married to a pretty good guy who worshipped her within 4 years. I’ve seen her on FB lately, she looks good and it looks like they are happy. Of course I’m stoked, I didn’t get shackled to a crazybitch, unlike one of my siblings. But that’s a story for another time.

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    • “So even after they are left bereft by my absence, they are enriched in other ways.”

      So you’ve found another rationalization for your behavior? Don’t bother to write it here, we all know that it’s just your hamster. You’re lying to yourself to make you feel better.

      “Five Minutes of Alpha beats Five Years of Beta for most women. Lewinsky is a case in point: she’s single and seemingly miserable now, but if she could do it all over again, you know she’d make the exact same choices. ”

      Yes, but she should get PREGNANT in those “five minutes”!

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      • Yeah, pregnant, because women have the right to spring the kid trap on any man that has sex with them.

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      • God, you’re stupid Eugene. Sex=making babies. Yes, every woman has a right to have a baby with a man she sleeps with.

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      • Fair enough. And every man has the right to disappear when you tell him the news.

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      • Yes, he has a right to do that. My father did it. Many men do it … But you have to know that this is not the best for your children.

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      • YOU have to know it’s not the best for YOUR children.

        So marry BEFORE you get pregnant.

        Bitch.

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      • “So you’ve found another rationalization for your behavior? Don’t bother to write it here, we all know that it’s just your hamster. You’re lying to yourself to make you feel better.”

        There’s no need to rationalize either exemplary behaviors, or behaviors that one would feel guilty about. I’m proud of everything I’ve done with women over a very long period of time (except for that one time I pedestalized a bitch). Again, these women are way better of from my gracing their presence. Many have lost weight, gotten hotter, sweeter, and smarter after spending time in my presence. That sounds like hubris, but.. res ipsa loquitur.

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      • To believe that any of us need to “feel better” about anything we do misses the point entirely.

        We aren’t bound by social conventions like women to be nice and kind and sweet and motherly. We don’t have to put on a show of “feeling bad” to rationalize things. As a result, you are a lot less likely to see a man saying he feels remorse unless he really does. (you’re also a lot less likely to see guys showing remorse)

        Also, Maya, how will you have us act if not revolutionize (whatever) he just described?

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    • (r)Evoluzione has it right. I’m a beta-ish guy, but my girl has said many times that I’m far above anything she ever expected to experience in her life, and that she’s always thankful for the time she was able to spend with me. She always thought she’d get stuck with a fat, unhandsome nebbish, or a violent dirtbag who cheated on her, or a stupid and shiftless man who was constantly unemployed. Instead she got an exotic well-educated man from another country who speaks five languages and has the cultural literacy that she never thought she’d be exposed to.

      Then again, why break up with her? She’s far from perfect, but so am I, and she appreciates me like no woman ever has. So whether we stick it out or not, we’re both happy.

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    • Interesting, I think it’s the reverse, usually it’s me who exposes culture, art and food to the man as these are generally more feminine and refined hobbies. I prefer he takes me for nature walks or a football or rugby game.

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  45. Zjdvira,

    Guys learning game may just make women feel MORE entitled. Game can easily lead to guys lowering their standards. Not because they’re less attractive, au contraire. They now know how to get sex with precisely the least effort needed to get it, and that makes less attractive women a more worthy pursuit.

    Pretend you have to invest 6 months before you bang a chick, or even put a ring on it first. Would you target Plain Janes then? No matter who you bang, it’s going to take some time, so you might as well pursue the hottest girls you can snag.

    Women are getting inflated egos because alphas never really leave the mating market, or so women tell themselves. Having more men who seem like alphas, if game could honestly lead to that, would just make the problem worse.

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  46. I think you underestimate how crappy most guys are. When a woman says you’re leaving her a better person, it usually means she absorbed a bit of your intelligence, or she has a healthier view of sex, or she will carry on an improved social life because she picked up some of your skills or social activities. Most men don’t have the paternal touch.

    (Warning, anecdotes ahead:) One girl thanked me as I was dumping her for turning her negative experience with sex into a net positive (her one prior experience was non-consensual). That’s an extreme example. Another told me how grateful she was for the impact I had on her life, generally.

    When a woman says this it means she knows it’s really over. She’s already feeling nostalgic. Now that I think about it, next time I’m letting one down easy I’m going to say this, just as a signal that we’re done.

    One a side note, I think men set themselves up for a fall in LTRs because we don’t shy away from emotional pain. I question whether that’s smart or not. Women say they find it attractive.. in the comfort-building phase (aka worthless). I’m starting to think it’s highly overrated.

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    • One girl thanked me as I was dumping her for turning her negative experience with sex into a net positive

      I’ve received this thanks many times.

      Now I can imagine that some guys are not going to empathize. Either because they’ve never received that thanks, or because they don’t see that improving a sex life is all that useful.

      But the woman valued it. And isn’t it the woman who are the arbiters of what’s important – to them?

      Or are the arbiters the beta providers who value “society” and lifetime monogamy and the golden years?

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  47. I ridicule and laugh at Monica Lweinsky for being delusional enough to even think she was ever even worthy of a high status man, Bill Clinton, for even sport fucking. I ridicule and laugh at Bill Clinton for taking such low hanging fruit. If you say well all Alphas go dumpster diving, you would be correct. However, he is a such a famous powerful high status Super Alpha that he needs to ask himself a question? What would Italain Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi do(Who did he get caught with his pants down with)? Even asking himself the same question about U.S. Congressional Representitive from New York, Anthony Weiner would be an improvement. None of these men are ordeinary Alphas even if they are paper Alphas.

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  48. This post could not have been timed better for what happened last night. She fell for me, even though she said she wouldn’t because of her commitment to her boyfriend. It was, perhaps, the bloodiest breakup I’ve committed without actually dating someone. According to her words: “You got everything, and I got nothing.”

    Then again, she felt no remorse stringing along a friend of mine for a good portion of last summer. Check and mate!

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  49. Only Monica Lewinsky suffered and continues to suffer for what she did. Let that be a lesson for you ladies. Get to know what your real status is before you allow anyone to plow your pussy. It has hidden costs in the present but very real costs which will destroy you later.

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  50. […] From Whoever “Heartiste” Is These Days: It’s a common admonition from pickup artists that you should leave a girl better than you foun… […]

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  51. Well I agree leaving them better us bullshit. I will however say that I could not see myself dumping a loyal LTR under the right conditions which I so far have. While there is no doubt that a variety of banging does leave more sexual satisfaction, its hard to have fun with something you plan on destroying. You gonna play with the bunny rabbit before stew? So you will give up something for the sex, depending on the person you are.

    As long as you have a young wife, preferably a virgin, who is the mother of your children, it would be really low to dump her in your remaining years. You should be around 50 or more anyway if you did it right.

    That said, American women asked for it, and collective punishment is due. Even as I may not participate, I condone ripping the guts out of feminism in every way possible. Though I suggest you aim for those that really have it coming to sooth your guilt. That should be rather easy anyway.

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    • *nods* good luck finding a loyal youthful attractive female who hasn’t fucked around,but in the case that you CAN, I agree with you about how it’s low to dump or use such a high quality girl

      If I met a beautiful 22 year old virgin and ended up married to her, I might be content… I suppose.

      But I’ll be damned if I feel bad for using a cute well-used cunt for my pleasure and then dumpin it off to the side

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    • I sometimes fight with my girl for not talking the pill. She’s trying to speed up my “decision” making process, by having an ooops baby. Recently my temper flared and I told her I’d leave the country if she got pregnant, and that her lack of pregnancy planning was making it impossible to plan my life and build a house, because at any moment I may need to flee her and the kid.

      She reverted back to her earlier position, but added a year. I have until 27 to marry her and give her a baby.

      She’s hot enough that she’ll do absulutely fine on the dating market at that age.

      If I don’t knock her up on purpose first.

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      • Yea sometimes knocking them up isn’t too bad of an idea. Note*- married women, or all around extremely high quality women.

        I was dating an neurotic beautiful ivy league educated girl that did acting as a side job, I went bareback with her as many times as I could wanting to get her pregnant. She made so much more money than me and was so beautiful & intelligent that even if a relationship didn’t last to birth, that’d be one hell of a win for my genetic legacy.

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      • Ya, that’s what’s got me hooked here. It’s not that I want a lifetime of monogamy with the girl, nor is it that I want to raise up a brood. It exactly her body and her smell. My sperm would fit there and create a good, healthy, strong, smart attractive baby.

        I don’t get that urge with all girls. This one I get it every time I fuck her.

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    • While there is no doubt that a variety of banging does leave more sexual satisfaction, its hard to have fun with something you plan on destroying. You gonna play with the bunny rabbit before stew?

      The solution is to not overthink it: you love them sooo much until you don’t, then they’re creepy and ewwww should just get lost. Hey presto, problem solved.

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  52. Even women getting into a harem will ruin their souls. One woman is always the number One girl, and she worries about losing her status. The lesser
    girl(s) hate the fact that they are not number ONE. Even the number ONE girl might lose her rank even in a stable harem where noone leaves or enters. Most harems are not stable. Someone is always coming in and going out. Therefore, some girl is always losing her rank. Think Hugh Hefner

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    • I’ll disagree that MLTRs are always structured that way. Sometimes a man will give equal time and feel equal preference.

      But either way, once the girls start to fall in love, it can get difficult for them. Often times they will snap from the strain.

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      • Women have a mild tendency to put themselves in harems, but noone wants to be number 2 or lower. To (realisticly not exageratedly paraphrase he said 5 days of Alpha is worth more than 5 weeks of Beta for most women is the corralarry. Most men would want harems if they knew how to handle them and were able and willing to do so. Most men do not want to be number 2 to a woman and will find being number 2 less tolerable than a woman. Women may tolerate being in harems for the Alpha, but they don’t really like them.

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    • That isn’t true. The grandfather of a friend of mine had four wives, when the top wife died they chose the youngest to be top because she was the most fair in judgement.

      Point is, they make it work when theres a good man with a firm hand.

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  53. Mr Syme, please don’t stop dating that lady. You’re making the mistake of thinking you are her “one”. I think guys do this too much. They assume that because we like them or even want to sleep with them that we fall hard for them and think they are our “one”.

    She’s 32. She’s a big girl. Just tell her straight up that you’re not in it for the longterm but would like to continue dating her because you like her! Believe me, this is what we women WANT to hear.

    We don’t really care if you fall in love with us or not, want to marry us or not. If you like us enough, and we like you enough to enjoy company and spend time together, then dating you until we find our “one” is ok with us. In fact, its better than ok. It beats being lonely until we find our Mr. Right.

    If you don’t want to hurt her then don’t go cold turkey. Just tell her where you stand. We respect honesty. And we like dating and sex too – who knew?!

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    • See guys – here’s the hamster in overdrive!

      Penelope has no clue about her own future happiness! You know what, if I gamed someone like her, I would screw her like there’s no tomorrow, wait for her oxytocin to kick in, let her eyes glaze over – should not take more than a few weeks – and then let her down hard.

      Egad! What art thou wrought?

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    • A girl can have a fling with a beta, and move on – but it does not work the same way with an alpha. Once she’s had the whiff of being with an alpha, there is no going back – she’s not going to find Mr. Right – she’ll keep pining for alpha cock and keep getting pumped and dumped.

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    • Can’t tell if you’re trolling, but –

      “We don’t really care if you fall in love with us or not, want to marry us or not.”

      If you’d like to be taken seriously, please don’t use “we” as if you have the authority to speak for an entire gender when what you say is patently false. The bit about encouraging him to be honest with his date is fair enough, but there isn’t enough information about that lady’s previous history to judge if his hesitation to get involved is (un)warranted.

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  54. Dating is a lot harder with a conscience.

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  55. ahahaha mate you’re a madcunt.

    The dating market is ruthless and it’s not the fault of men or women. Blame evolution. The fact is that men and women often have competing sexual interests… and in any competition there’s gonna be winners and there’s gonna be losers. That’s just the way it is. Not everyone can have what they want.

    Why should an alpha male stay celibate his entire life just so he can avoid breaking a few hearts? Ridiculous. Society has tried to program the alpha to feel guilty, to be apologetic about being a madcunt.

    The fact is if it were 100,000 BC and I was alpha of the tribe, I wouldn’t feel any guilt at all. I would do whatever the fuck I want, without remorse.

    And that’s why the human species is still in existence today.

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    • Exactly, we are all in a competition to pass on our genes. The sad fact of life is that some people are going to be stomped on and left in the wind. Even if every man learned game women would simply go for the top 10% men with the best game. Human nature will never do away with the pecking order. There’s always gonna be bitter losers because someone has to be on the bottom. Women sad they didnt get alpha for LTR? Cry me a river. Beta bitter he got passed over for superior alpha? Once again cry me a river, it is noones responsibility to soften the blow of losing in the sexual marketplace.

      The blame should go solely on evolution. I am just playing the game and trying my best not to lose. If I win I will feel no remorse, and if I lose well I wont be bitter about it and hold it against anyone. I did my best.

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    • Or another way to put it is that yes, dating breaks hearts.

      Men get their hearts broken, women get their hearts broken.

      It’s part of the process. Shit happens.

      Avoiding the shit is avoiding dating.

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      • Not if you go into dating with full disclosure of what you’re looking for in the relationship or that you have no intentions of being in an actual relationship or getting married. Which doesn’t seem to happen alot. I have no idea why. I would think that it’ll make things easier.

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      • That doesn’t make one hairs width of difference. Girls fall in love with you no matter what intentions you disclose.

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      • yep. and in fact, talking about relationship wants and needs has never gotten me laid. I only get laid when i disregard PC etiquette and go for what I want. I’ve had girls develop strong feelings even when i tell them i’m not in it for the long haul

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      • And tell them. And tell them. And TELL them!

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    • You’re 100% right. Yet at the same time, women reject that behavior if it’s too obvious. Strange world.

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    • No, it’s in existence because of the patriarchy. It is the Patriarchy that gave us brotherhood, goals, impulse control, science/philosophy, virtues, laws, God (NOT religion!), freedom of soul. Civilization.

      What we are moving to now is the tribal animalistic matriarchy with powerless betas and dictator alphas. This is the opposite of freedom / brotherhood, which can only exist in the patriarchical society.

      In the patriarchy it is the father who decides what man marries his daughter, and it is the father who gathers his sons to seek vengeance on those who defile HIS honor by violating his daughter.

      In a true patriarchy, the average PUA would literally be in danger of finding himself getting married at gunpoint (shotgun wedding)

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  56. Of course they’ll be angry and miserable – they didnt get the life they wanted.

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  57. Never forget, you are merely the Alpha agent of righteous karma.

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    • Exactly.

      We are Alpha Agents enforcing Spengler’s law: That women at any time, in any given social milieu, get the men they deserve.

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    • Or another way to put is that women take for granted the female agenda – stringing along friends, trying to tame an alpha who doesn’t want to be tamed. Men must counter balance women’s selfish agenda with a selfish agenda of their own.

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  58. it is possible to minimize the bitterness of a breakup by a gradual, purposeful backslide into beta behavior (translation for the vast majority of soi-disant puas = just relax and act like yourself again). surprising, but true.

    and also educational. since you aren’t invested, you can watch the demise of an emotional crash-test dummy from the sort of disinterested standpoint that yields trenchant insights.

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    • I’ve never been able to understand this shyness of men in breaking up. If you know that the relationship is over, you plant your feet on the ground, you look her square in the eyes and you say :”it’s over. I’m out”.
      Don’t do it by phone of email, be a fucking man, and remember that women are merciless when it comes to ditching a dude for a higher caliber catch.

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  59. What you say here contains a lot of truth, imho. OTOH, I do not see much of a way to avoid this sort of collateral damage. If you have your self/act together it is her that wants to bang you. That part is not coerced. Maybe there is a problem arising from the fact that a smart guy will understand what is going on better than the woman will and thus own more responsibility. But guys have been told since childhood that women/girls naturally possess the bulk of emo-intelligence, empathy, understanding of relationships, blah, blah, blah… so for most of us it is hard work up a lot of shame after gaining the whip hand in this arena.
    Besides, turning a female down when she wants sex has never turned out well, in my experience. I have never heard anything like, “Thank you for not taking me up on it.” the next day. Not once. Or anything like it.

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    • turning a female down when she wants sex has never turned out well, in my experience. I have never heard anything like, “Thank you for not taking me up on it.” the next day. Not once. Or anything like it.

      Amen. I declined the advances of a solid 8 (trending 9) a few years ago. Her response was volcanic hate, made more molten by the fact that I was probably one to two points below her in sexual market value (SMV).

      This display was my first dose of the Red Pill, given that I believed the Chivalric/Feminist pablum that women were not particularly concerned with the sex act, but rather with “respect” and cuddling.

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      • “I declined the advances of a solid 8 (trending 9) a few years ago. Her response was volcanic hate..”

        Been there, at least twice.

        The first time I was seeing a tall, very beautiful but fucking crazy woman (daddy issues galore) whom I dumped before sex even, because I could see the drama coming a mile away. I brought her a bouquet of flowers to ease the pain. She flung them off her porch at me as I left her house.

        Whereas when you dump girls lower in SMV, they are still hurt but often are understanding and even appreciative once they let go of the hurt.

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  60. @Rollo
    “”Never forget, you are merely the Alpha agent of righteous karma.””

    The fact that we’re even talking about this and feel even a tinge of guilt about having done this destroys the feminist myth that all men are ruthless players who pump and dump.

    Women meantime have no guilt whatsoever when they dump/LJBF, or lose attraction for a guy.

    Perhaps the point of this post is to destroy the rationalizing or myth that there’s a nice way of leaving. There isn’t.

    But whether men should feel guilt about it is another story.

    This blog is filled with questions and strategies for re-igniting attraction from a flagging relationship.

    Also, I’ve been in situations where when I’ve dumped a girl and felt bad about it…the girl actually gets more angry…it’s like being indecisive or beta.

    Invariably, if you dump a girl you’ve gamed properly she will always come back or make overtures to meet up again.

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    • “Perhaps the point of this post is to destroy the rationalizing or myth that there’s a nice way of leaving. There isn’t.

      But whether men should feel guilt about it is another story.”

      The reality is that men are much more empathetic beings then women are when it comes to ending a relationship.

      When a woman decides she is done with a man, empathy is often replaced with anger and contempt towards her ex because he failed to keep her attracted to him. Women are as brutal in ending relationship as men are brutal during a battle in a war.

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  61. @Whiskey:
    for 95% of all women, the best they can be is a disposable object for an Alpha
    In other words, 95% should go for betas. Logically, women should use their God-given brains to actively seek out betas. Now should I hold my breath …

    @maurice:
    Kudos to the honesty in this post- “leave them better than you found them” has always seemed like so much pabulum to me.
    Yes, kudos to the honesty – after all, the motto hereabouts is “where pretty lies perish”. Honesty – aka adherence to reality – is the foundation of everything worthwhile, and that’s why though I disagree with our host on several things, I hang around here anyways.
    And “leave them better than you found them” is pure horseshit.

    @xsplat:
    It’s not too late. It’s exactly what she wanted.
    Yes, but at what price? She will remain unhappy, the betas will also be unhappy. The alphas make out like bandits however. I agree, we should all strive to be the last, but that does not mean that one can lose sight of what is really happening.

    @so, do the zonk:
    Pretty lies must die.
    Absolutely. The path to truth lies thataways and only thataways.

    @Traveller:
    The question is irrelevant because no one will ever see a woman worried about the symmetrical situation. Women just rejects betas with laughs, destroy families for eat pray love, etc. Why in the Earth we should worry about their feelings when they receive the same? [Heartiste: I sympathize with your point, but there are some good women out there who will get washed away in the riptide.]
    Indeed. I argue that doomsday is nigh – in the sense that a small army of reformed betas is on the march – and society will never be the same again.

    @levon:
    if you are doing business with women it is hard to leave them better off; they get wrecked over and over.
    Amen to that brother – dats de truth. But we gotta do it anyways, what choice do we have left? LJBF hell? I say fuck that!

    @sciencebzzt:
    so no matter how hardcore a girl is, no matter how many times she says shes only into the sex and not interested in a relationship… she still gets attached to a man shes had sex with.
    Aint that the truth! Give it to her good and in a few weeks (if not earlier) her eyes start getting googley – girls cant help it, they are emotional creatures and cannot compartmentalize sex, no matter what the feminists say.

    @dan:
    Don’t let the trappings of modern life fool you. We’re still in the jungle.
    Our hind-brains certainly are. And sex is waaay too important to species survival to be under much control of our fore brains – whether we are men or women, no matter, we are under the spell of our hindbrains.

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    • @xsplat:
      It’s not too late. It’s exactly what she wanted.
      Yes, but at what price? She will remain unhappy, the betas will also be unhappy.

      Yes, at a price that irks you. Apparently the price is not too high for women to pay.

      It is what it is – women deliberately choose to pay this price.

      Assuming that they know not what they do is an error. They may not consciously map out their life plan – but sometimes they do exactly that. I’ve heard it before. “I plan to play around until I feel old enough to marry”.

      This IS what women want, and it IS what women do.

      We can want a “better” life for them, but they don’t.

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      • Firstly, I hope the above html stopped the crazy italics in overdrive.

        Secondly, @xsplat:

        No I am not irked – merely learning. And I like your approach, I checked out your blog … way to go bro!

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  62. Yeah I love it when women fuck me up the ass

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  63. Better to embrace your wicked choice and feast on the brutality of it all. Makes for a more invigorating life.

    Thanks. Whenever I feel my hatred and my animosity swelling up, I am so relieved to come to the Chateau and finding you passing around red meat to the hyenas.

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  64. Big presumption to jump from casual three months sex to love…

    Why must she be in love with him? It’s not even a relationship.

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  65. This is one of those things you commented on in an email I sent you a long time ago and I have to say, your absolutely right. I leave women shattered and dead inside…which leads me to seldom date now. I flirt like a crazy person, numbers here and there still, but I cut off stuff before most people make a connection because I haven’t found the piece of ass I want to take with me when I change to elite class.

    I can’t revel in the brutality of it, but I can see why it’s there. But it’s only because I would rather see that girl marry the guy that will sweep the floors of one of my buildings and now she will be too broken to fulfill her task because she ass was in fuckable proximity to me.

    A powerful lesson I learned right here 😛

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    • Aw, you’re the guy who says ‘Don’t fall in love with me. I’m not a nice guy.’

      Boo hoo.

      Get over yourself.

      Clearly you have too many emotional intimacy phobias if you have never felt loss at the end of a relationship.

      Maybe you should get yourself sorted out before socialising with other people.

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  66. Hmm.

    You guys may recall that I’m in a monogamous-but-still-fuck-buddy relationship with an alpha bent on “improving me.” It’s coming up on the six month mark. He’s a cruel, cold person with lots of Dark Triad traits and occasional flashes of warmth, and I have no doubt he’d openly tell me he was screwing other people because he doesn’t really care about my feelings. But . . .

    He’s been telling me lately about hot chicks approaching him, and how he has not wanted to fuck them. He says stuff like: if you were a bit hotter and a lot dumber, I’d marry you and have kids. He has been turning down invitations to party to hang out and watch Jeopardy with me (at his request not mine). Basically he’s displaying some signs of being more emotionally attached and he’s a natural, so he knows to ramp up the aloof/negging talk!

    I don’t think he’s in love because he’s really narcissistic, but I think he’s getting as close as he’s capable of.

    I think the time has come to break up with him.

    The problem with “snagging” an alpha is that NO MATTER WHAT you’re going to get cheated on and left anyway, eventually. Look at Maria Shriver. I have no illusions about getting an alpha to marry or commit to me because there’s no prospect for long term happiness . . .

    Now I’m on a mission. I want a guy on the cusp of alpha, is that a “lesser” alpha or a high beta? Whatever, one of those. And this beautiful jock asshole has definitely left me better than when he found me.

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    • Hannah,

      I would feel very hurt if my boyfriend told me that I’m not pretty enough. How can you put up with this? Do you really don’t mind?

      [Heartiste: Chicks dig assholes. Especially the pretty chicks. (My bet is that Hannah is hot.)]

      (I hope you don’t think I want to be mean to you with those questions … but after everything I said to you last month … :S I’m sorry, I hope you can forgive me).

      [Stand by your words. This mewling is unbecoming.]

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      • Hey Maya,

        I am looking at this relationship as hamster shock therapy. I love the honesty, and it has given me a realistic assessment of my value. While I have improved my SMV significantly thanks to his aesthetic input (and some minor cosmetic improvements like hair and teeth that he paid for), he’s right: I am not hot enough to marry a guy like him. In ten years, he’ll have a beautiful 9-rated trophy wife that he’ll cheat on – he actually says this.

        I’m now pretty enough to realize the benefits of being above average, but it’s important for women to remember that looks may not increase happiness ***above a certain level***. How many hot actresses and models are in committed monogamous relationships with alphas? How many are cheated on, dumped, traded in, humiliated despite their stunning beauty? I know a few personally. No denying that being ugly will decrease enjoyment of life drastically. Having unfortunate teeth made my life less happy, but I don’t think having more “work” done would make me much happier.

        Heartiste: The sexy asshole (who I think rates an 8.5 on the male scale for looks) gave me this feedback when I requested it: “Your face used to be a 4.5, and now that you’ve fixed your teeth and lost the glasses and wear classy makeup, you have a 6/6.5 face. Your body is a definite 9, which is a big disparity- you used to be a goddamned butterface! But now the 6 face and the bangin’ bod average to a decent 7.5.”

        Word to the ladies: despite his focus on my looks, the best thing this guy did for me was teach me how to stop being a bitchy nerd who argued with men. This will raise your SMV more than a nosejob!

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      • Hannah, keep the asshole fuck buddy if you want, but remember to keep your options open. Plenty more fish, as they say.

        Pseudo-feminist love. xx

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    • on September 10, 2011 at 12:48 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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      so why, in a millions yeares, would i date you zlozlzlozlz?

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      every time you seek a coke bottlelee
      you will relelaize why

      you are alone like th coke bottle that had lotsa cockas in it and got splooged upon zlzolzlzlzlz

      i forgive you lzzlo

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      • This entity is the blog’s equivalent of the sybils at Delphi who muttered incoherent but oracular speech and needed to be interpreted liberally by the priests.

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      • Your alpha is right. You need to be dumber.

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      • He’s saying you’ve been spoiled by an alpha, so why would someone else want to seriously keep you when you’re just the leftovers?

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      • I understand the message. But since I doubt an alpha would have married me even when I was a 16-year-old virgin, the only men left to marry me are betas (including the vaunted Higher Beta/encroaching into lesser alpha) – and they have NO IDEA about a woman’s number count or whether she’s been “plundered” by other alphas.

        [Heartiste: Men who have experience with women know.]

        They often don’t ask or will accept a woman’s answer as truthful, always a gamble as we know.

        [Asking is gauche. We just watch for tells.]

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      • Hannah,

        but when you love someone I think you don’t want to lie. When you will love someone you will tell him the truth. At least that’s how I imagine.

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      • CAN SOMEBODY TURN OFF THE ITALICS? WTF? /i /i /i

        Hannah wrote:

        This entity is the blog’s equivalent of the sybils at Delphi who muttered incoherent but oracular speech and needed to be interpreted liberally by the priests.

        Very clever, and thanks for the smart riposte. But haven’t we been telling you to stop wearing your World Famous Erudition on your sleeve?

        Go sleeveless instead, show us some skin.

        And we know, we know, you are much different when you’re out and about than how you present yourself in the comboxes. But intellectual modesty is a state of mind, and you might as well start practicing here where we can gauge your progress without pretense.

        Your habit is really a lack of trust: you don’t trust that your intelligence will shine through the bubbly facade. It’s not your crackerjack smarts that turn us off, it’s your insecurity. Look how smart I am, Daddy!

        Trust us. The kind of man you are looking for will come (and only come) for the pretty face and firm tits, but stay for the surprisingly good conversation in measured doses. What makes intelligent girls attractive is their serenity. What makes dumb girls attractive is … they don’t have to be smart because they are already shit-hot. That ancient correlation is programmed into our brains by now — a ditzy, little-girl voice itself is a turn-on because it so often indicates her ability to keep that vulnerability and yet thrive, while a deep professorial tone screams wool skirts and bad teeth.

        Or keep with the learned commentary, I suppose. It’s amusing. But even here it is a hindrance to your personal improvement.

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      • I’m getting a little better at keeping a lid on it . . . but sometimes I still can’t help myself. I agree that it’s about seeking approval/attention from a father figure. Intellectually I can understand that I’m projecting what I find attractive in a man (cleverness, wit) and assuming he will want the same in me, but emotionally/hamster-wise it’s harder to integrate. I think what you’re saying is a version of a woman’s “inner game,” having that security in oneself to forego attention-whoring, in whatever form.

        I appreciate your comments. You certainly function as the wise patriarch ’round these parts.

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    • Hannah,

      Your posts are so great!

      Just one question, hon: were you a guy before you were a “girl?”

      Because you don’t really have the smell of cunt about you, kiddo.

      Sorry.

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      • Never was a guy, but I had a seriously alpha grandfather and uncle who taught me the ancient classics, math, and science when I was a child. My father is the definition of the dutiful beta provider/builder with no game. Grew up in a family of men, and was not beautiful enough to be dismissed as a girly girl – I identity a bit with Mary Ann Evans, ie the novelist George Eliot, who was given a superior education because of her unfortunate looks. Super patriarchal traditional outlook on gender relations in my family. Feminism was often mocked.

        Being a late bloomer in terms of looks has its benefits.

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  67. It’s not a “admonition from pickup artists”. It’s straight from Ross Jeffries and his PUA/NLP camp. Sigh, please come back

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  68. Just wanting to be friends with someone (and telling the truth) is the moral equivalent of using someone for sex (and lying to them)?

    [Heartiste: You’re a liar, a fool or just very gullible if you think cockteases clearly inform their beta marks that there is no chance for sex and never will be.]

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    • What is the male equivalent of a cocktease?

      My Aussie friends came up with the term ‘vagjester’.

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    • What part of “let’s just be friends” don’t you understand?

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      • Please. A sincere word, firm handshake and mutual understanding is *not* how it plays out.

        Every young man has at least seen (if not experienced) that bullshit play out further than that, my dear. Typcially, what happens next is beta boy looks around and starts getting interest from another female. “Cool!”, he thinks.

        But this alternate mating possibility threatens his devotion to the LJBF-ing female, who will typically start smothering beta boy’s chances at romance with the other gal by amping up (again) with bright smiles and greater attention. (Yeah, that is what she did the first time to, before rejecting him for sex. She claims otherwise but….) Her goal? Keep beta boy around…just in case.

        Then, once his beta orbit is reestablished, and he foolishly thinks he is going to get some, she reasserts the LJBF status. As she has not explicityly promised anything to beta boy during the time she is smothering the possible connection with another woman competitor, she is free to continue the sexless drone thing without actually have “lied”. She just gave intimations of possible sex that were never stated.

        If beta boy starts to clue in, gets angry and tells her off, she defensively claims he turned into an ass, and how dare he, etc. But she was playing the beta-collection game.

        Fish gotta swim, and women gotta try and collect beta orbiters. No hate here. But don’t pretend like the LJBF stuff is something women do out of mercy and good character. They spin that rapier-lie mating strategy like a Chinese Wushu National Champion. I will always remember wondering why the hell guys wasted five minutes on chicks who did that to them, but damn if some of them didn’t follow that girl for f-ing years as she did it.

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      • Fellow Heartiste readers:

        Men and women CANNOT ever be friends with each other. Men’s friendship is to solve problems, women’s is to share and communicate – these are non-intersecting sets. Men and women can do a lot of things profitably together without getting sexual, but friendship is not one of them.

        However, good luck with getting the hamster to understand the above. Women’s God-given brains are useless in understanding anything to do with inter-gender (sexual) relations. Evolution hath decreed it so – if women could think about sex, none of us, men and women alike, would be here. Sex is waaaay too important for evolution to leave at the mercy of a feeble power like reason. That is the cause of the hamster’s existence.

        So, my brothers-in-heartistedom: If you find a woman like @TallGirl, do the moral and righteous thing – pump her hard and then dump her hard – she deserves nothing less!

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      • I believe ‘When Harry Met Sally’ holds all the answers for you!

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  69. on September 10, 2011 at 12:44 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozozlzozllzlozl

    heye whenenever you guys tyhink about buying flowers and diineneners and flowers and idnneres andd flowowoers and dinners for chcckas lzozlzlzlozlo always always rememebr remmeber remember lzozozzloz rememebr

    taht stehehet these dudsess

    get more pussy than you ever have or ever willl lzozlzlzllzllzl

    and theye don’t even have mbas from georege towwn laozlozlzlzllzlz

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    • on September 10, 2011 at 12:51 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

      i bet ice cube and doctor dre lefet nmanay a womenz better than they found her lzozlzlzl

      just likee that dude who splloges all over a coke bottoles of frsh coke leaves it better thatn they ofund it so you can tastte his spolloooge zlolozlzlozlolz

      bneococno beuthehtyxtxt!!!

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  70. on September 10, 2011 at 12:53 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    although dr. dre doens’t have an mba from dgegeorgetown he has a doctorate from comptyon zlozlzlozlzlolo which gets lots more pussysy wussy tahn ten mbas jds phds doctorates mds combinesdd lzozllzlz

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  71. on September 10, 2011 at 1:02 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    most guys are not striaght out of comptyon but staright out of betdadom zlzoolozolloz

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  72. on September 10, 2011 at 1:10 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzoozlzozolzlozo

    when u are on a d ate and u talk about good christian values and goodness and beuaty and truth the owman will accuse you of being a christian evil conservatibve

    when u are on a d ate and u talk about porn and hotness and butthexual activities a woman will accuse you of vebing an evile pron probnrooghrapher baddy

    so what do you tyalka baout?

    women just want you to buty them dinner and listen to them yammer yammer yammer, and when they talk about christsianinhti y it is becuase the are now reformed after having perrofomed losta pron with lolotsa palhas who never bought them dinner lzozozloz

    don’t you know your role beta boy? lzlozlz

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  73. on September 10, 2011 at 1:14 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/wonce-upon-a-time-mens-wents-2-church-2-find-a-good-wownenez-lzozlzlzloz/

    wonce upon a time mens wents 2 church 2 find a good wownenez lzozlzlzloz

    wonce upon a time mens wents 2 church 2 find a good wownenez lzozlzlzloz to be a wife and mother and faithful honor cherish lzozlzzozlolzozlz

    today woemnz go 2 churrhc 2 find a beta or gammamale to pay for their three children forrm three fatehrs who pumped dand dudmped theier zazzez afetr asszzcockcing them lzozlzlzlzo

    they will divorce the ebetaa beta soon and take all his money aluimonies to funde their asscocking routine that they they so dearly miss gettig asscoekd by alphas lzozlzlzl and the central bankers set up the dirvorce courrts to support assocking good betamen in divorce docurt so they have to fund tehir bernnakified wife getetinga ssosoekcied by tucker max rhymes iwth godlamn szax who secrteely tapes it while the eneooncsn weekly standadrdth weekl;y standardtdhe weekly standadrdtdt enneociong charlrlrotete allen sings the praises of the butthexual asscokcing eoneoenc heroes, ignoring the better men bleeding to death i the enocns wars on forenightn shoeres no lzozozllzoling.

    hey all th e hcicks here all the hcicks here kinda remins dds me of that

    cocke boottle

    in the alley

    with splooge form ten men

    dripping off it

    would you drink outta that coke bottle as the semen oozes down the sides? lzozlolzlz

    so why would you buy a modern chick dinner, just so you could taste the semen on her lips? lzozozolzloz

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    • When I first joined here about 2 months ago I wasn’t able read GBFM’s posts. However as time has passed I can now clearly interpret his hieroglyphics.

      It’s just like when Neo suddenly is able to view the matrix.

      “Then you’ll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.”

      Lozzzlzozllzlzozl de chiccks lika dee lottsa cockaqss

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  74. The timing of this post is insane! My interest in a girl I’ve been seeing has been waning and after the alcohol infused drama fest she caused over Labor Day weekend, I have been contemplating HOW to break up with her – knowing I want out and not try to hold on any more because it is not worth it.

    This week, I have basically given her little correspondence…long times between texts, no call backs, etc. and she is pushing hard to hangout this weekend. I just don’t know what to do, I can’t stand hearing girls cry knowing I caused it…

    The list of break up reasons is spot on in my case…her “horrid” personality has been coming out (it’s unbearable when she is drunk) and she is gaining weight on me (getting that comfortable, “I have a boyfriend” fat).

    What should I do? I don’t want to break up by text but I don’t want to set up a night out then tell her “it’s over” when we hit the spot…Do I just start ignoring her completely? Do it with a phone call?

    I have a feeling she is a “type 1” break up girl who will cry for a week or so and eventually move on, not stalk me or anything crazy like that….But I really don’t know. I can say if I broke up with her while she was drunk, she might possibly be a “type 2″…so I guess it all depends.

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    • I think the key is to say it in person, in as blunt and straightforward a way as you can muster. Do it in a public place, with an exit already planned out. Be straight, be brief, and then be gone. This will deny her the chance to make a big dramatic scene with tears.

      I used to be the same as you, cringing at the thought of causing a woman’s heartache and tears. The fear of that kept me in several lame relationships for too long. However, I eventually realized I was just projecting. The couple times that a woman I loved dumped me, it really did break my heart. I assumed women would feel that same crushing depression when I left them.

      Not so. I have learned that women don’t really have the same kinds of feelings that men do. The tears are all about self-pity and manipulation. Women can turn tears on and off almost at will. When a man cries, you know it’s real emotion. Women use tears as a tool, just like they use their pussies. Pay the tears no mind – it is just her physical expression of being a narcissistic, spoiled little princess who pities herself for not getting her way.

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  75. GBFM needs no moderation.

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  76. When I read that article I felt bad for Monica. She’s got no life and she’s a joke. Then I think about how she could have avoided all this by just keeping quiet about messing around like your supposed to. But nooo. She had to yap. This is what you get.

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  77. GBFM – you’re beginning to exhibit some of CH’s eloquence 🙂

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  78. The solution is simple. End feminism, bring back the patriarchy.

    Fathers have default rights to all property and children in event of divorce except what was specified in the prenup to go to the wife.

    Fathers have NO obligations to women or children born outside of marriage. Unless the girl can prove she was a virgin the first night.

    This of course will not happen in the west. Feminism is a “blessing” for the Heartistes and their conquests. Basically, all who believe in illuminated animalism.

    The reason they go along with this is because they assume the continued military and economic domination of their ruling classes. That is, no culture or circumstance will arise to either challenge or break them. Both of which conditions are in fact occurring as we speak which is what make this all so amusing.

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  79. I think an alpha can leave a girl better than he found her… by making her realise that alphas are really not what she wants as a long term strategy. Girls should probably date one alpha early on to realise that at worst, they’re thugs and at best they just don’t want the same things the girl does. This is exactly what happened to me. My high school boyfriend was an alpha, and we stayed together for a couple of years (mostly because it was the first “real” relationship either of us had) and once we moved to college his alpha tendencies kicked in and it ended. Now I’m 23 and engaged to a happily beta boy, and frankly, I’ve never been happier. In my head, I’m well shot of alphas and what relationships with them entail.

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    • 23 and marrying a beta, huh? i give your marriage 2 years, 3 tops.

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      • I doubt it. Both of us come from very family-centric backgrounds and share the same values. We’re both at good places in our careers and have a long-term strategy with kids planned out. If only women (and men) were more rational about their life partners, both could lead more fulfilling lives. My fiance is an attractive (I’d call him a 7 in the looks department), intelligent man who treats me with kindness and respect, as I do him. I’m moderately attractive and acutely aware of how soon beauty fades. WHat more could I want?

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      • You are all set up, betalover … for a mighty crash. Either your “happy beta boy” is not the chump you claim him to be, or your arrangement will not work out quite so smoothly as you “planned.”

        “What more could [you] want?” How about: to live a relationship that is intrinsically stable rather than dependent on fantastical externalities, such as your “long-term strategy,” the well-being of children, similar “backgrounds” and “values,” even the sacramental quality of matrimony. When the seven-year itch inflames your vulva and begs for a teensy little scratch, with the kids cramping your dream, with resentment overwhelming you for circumstances not turning out quite like you “planned,” you will be in a completely different frame of mind.

        Not only will you secretly smolder with hate for him, you will harbor an even more secret resentment for your children as well, the emblems of your kept status. (Yes, you will. Whether you admit it or not is another story. Likely you will take it out on them in unconscious ways.)

        The answer to this is in the man alone, even if your own discipline can mitigate the horror to some small degree. If your husband is a beta, you will by definition come to despise his very being. If your husband is a beta that means bitches be runnin wild yo. Your “plan” works now since that reality is safely hypothetical, off in the distant future (which isn’t as distant as you think), where you believe the bonds of children, routine, fidelity to shared “values,” and financial inextricability will carry you past the temptations, which happen to be stronger than at any time or place in history. They might sustain you, they might not. Either way it will be a torture for you both.

        I work with and am acquainted with many relatively young, married (or otherwise heavily committed) women. At first I took up the challenge convincing them not to commit adultery. After a while, however, you realize you are talking to a sylph — logic finds no purchase, temptation finds no restraint in the loins of a hot and itchy wannabe adulteress. I would have mowed them with a clean conscience — and little fear from their cuckolded bitchboys — if I hadn’t already hoisted my colors and taken sides in this war. My loyalty is with men. Every stolen intimacy from a beta cuckold is one more degradation to a brother and to a culture, one more betrayal to my sex, one more scoop of dirt on civilization. Bros B4 hos 4 life.

        The confrontations would be funny if they weren’t so tragic. The cuckolds are so denatured they don’t know how to slap sense into their women, nor threaten death to adulterers. They bitch and whine and seek “couples therapy” and medication. They don’t man up, they retreat to the letter of their marital contract and guilt their wives into compliance (guess how well that works).

        Women want adventure as much as men do. But women want stability simultaneously as well, despite the contradiction in terms. Women crave bourgeois safety, but they also thrill to the risk, despite being less equipped, despite it being less socially acceptable to indulge this need than it is for young men, who overindulge. Men have an outlet for their adventurism — video games, sports, drinking … going to war, etc. Female adventurism becomes sublimated romance, smoldering in the hearts of a billion sighing novel readers. Out of laziness, men slide into merely providing; they get lost in the many civil escapisms designed to channel male aggression. Men forget how easy it is to game their mates; they rightfully scorn the female desire for contradictory needs and figure their wives, who, in their creeping matronly fatness, have nowhere else to go. This is a workable compromise, but to live this stalemate is a waking death.

        Along comes the knight in shining armor (the coltish scruffy intern she had drinks with after work — think Jan’s assistant Hunter from The Office) to rescue cinderella from clockwatching drudgery. What woman has the virtue to resist, with the fruitloop crumbs in her sticky minivan, with the balding potbellied oaf watching sportscenter who is “a shadow of the man” she made vows to?

        This is repulsive female cake-eating and cake-having brought on by feminist fairy tales, but at some level it is understandable that puffed-up weak-willed women would fall prey to it. If the cuckolds transcended their beta programming for one second, they’d realize they have some remedial work to do, and that I’m their best friend. I’m on their side.

        Seriously, give me your fiancé’s phone number. Son needs fair warning.

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      • Wow, long reply. I’d be a little offended at the condescending tone, but I’ll let it pass.

        The problem I find with your argument is that you tar all women with the same brush. This probably happens in some cases, maybe even in most cases. However, it doesn’t happen in all cases. There are those anomalous married couples who stay together for life, and remain happy. My own parents are a case in point. So even though your generalization may have some merit, it remains just that: a generalization.

        I may have come off as some sort of romantic in my last post, but let me assure you, this is not the case. Marriage, for me, has less to do with a fantasy “happily ever after” and more to do with friendship and companionship. Sex is important, of course, and my fiance is not lacking in that department, but I know that it’s not the most important thing in the world. Beauty fades, temptation passes. Most women (and men) fail to understand this. The pleasures of the body are important, but they are not of primary importance. I can enjoy sex, and equally enjoy spending hours behind a microscope or reading a great work of literature. My life does not revolve around it. I am acutely aware of my looks (I scored a 27 on the female dating value test, so take from that what you will) and I know I’m no supermodel. I am at the peak of my physical attractiveness and even now, no “alpha” will want me for anything but a pump and dump, so why should i demean myself by giving him what he wants? Especially when I have someone who values me for who I am, someone who shares my interests and whose companionship and conversation I enjoy?

        I suppose the easy response to this would be “you’re young, you don’t know any better”, or some variant of that. Maybe you’re right. Maybe I will live to regret this. I’m fairly sure you’re wrong though. I was brought up to scrutinize everything with cold, hard logic, and it has never let me down once. I’m pretty sure I’m right this time too.

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      • Sounds like you got your shit together. However, meditate on what King A said, it’s not just a patronizing generalization, it’s a pretty accurate synthesis of the knowledge on this blog.
        He doesn’t really advise you to leave your beta SO, but rather to push him to man up.
        The problem is not that alphas are only pump and dumpers. The real problem is that you are viscerally attracted to alphas. Don’t try to deny that. The thing is you can make your bf aspire to an ideal: becoming your alpha, all yours.
        How can you achieve that? That’s the tricky part. If you’re smart enough and if your boyfriend is predisposed, you can transform him by providing him hints about you true desires (who should now be crystal clear if you’re a regular reader of the Chateau).
        Otherwise, open Pandora’s box, tell him about this blog, about game, about the role of a man in a relationship.
        It’s the only way to prevent King A’s prophecy from happening. Your strategy is risky, mainly because you’re not the first one to undertake it with the exact same rationalization.

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      • @KA,

        A thought perhaps to cloud the well of righteousness: many people, women esp., delight in sin. They have a love of gaffe, error and misrule; they are rejuvenated by the comedy of things ending badly. They have no desire for any orderly arrangements. They hate an abstract restraint like no other.

        Women love to let the chips fall where they may; and they have a specially moist and wicked glint in their eye when they turn from what they’re doing and see the goggling face of the professor who has opened the wrong door at the wrong time.

        If you were in the game I would tell you: never arrive home early or unexpectedly.

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  80. um, italics tag somehow left on Samsons post

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  81. Recently, I’ve noticed a change where people are starting to question some of these old seduction maxims that have been put out there by the “master PUAs.” I’m glad that you decided to point out this absurdity.

    You just confirmed my longstanding assertion that pickup is unethical. Ethics involves considering other people’s interests as well as your own. The only way that professional pickup artists can convince themselves that their behavior is ethical is to believe that they are performing some sort of “service” to women that leaves them better off – which, as you stated, clearly is not true. Instead, you call it as it is – the seduction community’s tactics are meant to make practitioners more attractive to women, at the expense of other men and women.

    Consider a woman who never dates what pickup artists call an “alpha” male, and instead dates the stereotypical “nice” guys who treats her well. Can you really say that she is unhappy in that case? I suggest that she is happier, for the same reason that you and I aren’t dissatisfied that we don’t own personal jets. We have never had enough money to fly in personal jets, so we don’t know what it is like. The only people who are disappointed in not being able to fly in personal jets are people who owned them and lost their fortunes.

    The situation where a woman dates beta males only is better for everyone involved. Even if she is only 95% as happy as a woman who manages to permanently snag alpha males, she will still be very happy – and the beta males who aren’t experienced enough to date many women will also be happy. Perhaps that’s why that situation is romanticized in television shows in movies – because it is the best possible outcome for everyone (except the few hundred or so self-proclaimed master pickup artists who mess with their minds).

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    • Perhaps that’s why that situation is romanticized in television shows in movies – because it is the best possible outcome for everyone

      no, it’s because the writers are either females or homos.

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    • PUA knowledge is amoral. You can use it to improve yourself and to make the one girl that you choose happy. Or you can use it to destroy as many lives as possible because you’re bitter and in need of cock-revenge.
      Either way, i prefer to be a ruthless unethical son of a bitch than a sexless LJBF’ed beta chump.

      Many burned chicks do the same. They get dumped by an alpha and they try their best to make the 15 next guys miserable. Do we blame their beauty, style and make-up knowledge? No. It’s their business, even if we find comfort in the idea that they will hit the wall way before they know it.
      Guys should be able to do the same, especially that they can pull off a player’s lifestyle basically until their prostate ceases to work.

      Dude, stop whining and grow a pair. And in case you didn’t notice, no one here gives a fuck about chick flicks.

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    • Red herring.

      The claim you are making that Game is unethical based on this post’s content and your above premises doesn’t present a sound argument. The hasty generalizations regarding what makes a particular group happy crossed with the lame business jet analogy, kettle logic…fallacy city must have had a clearence sale.

      Further the interpretation about what is “ethical” will vary person to person, culture to culture over time and will always be up for debate.

      The intent of this post IMO was to refute the the weak tag line of “leave them better then you found them” with some insight about how it most likely doesn’t turn out that way. Just re-read the title.

      As some of the other valuable contributers here have mentioned in their replies, sometimes you do leave them better than you found them. He is just pointing out that its ‘not likely’.

      Lastly your skewed language such as “pickup artists who mess with their minds” shows your anger, frustration and ignorance of the overall subject matter. Yet again.

      Why do you post here?

      BEAT IT NERD!

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  82. Heartiste, ‘leaving her better than you found her?’.

    We are not projects and we are not puppies.

    The patronising thoughts of our ‘wellbeing’ are not necessary.

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    • Oh my goodness! Why didn’t that occur to me before?! You are soooo right.

      I’ll change all my views right now.

      Thanks, Jenny.

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    • heartsie was refuting that claim.

      i think you’ll find that many, if not most, males on this blog really don’t give a shit about a girl’s wellbeing after he’s plundered her clunge.

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  83. In War and Peace Tolstoy describes how cad (in this case Anatole Kuragin) thinks like a woman, namely that everything that feels good for him must also be right.

    A man who lets moral doubts get in the way of his pleasure has not developed his feminine side sufficiently.

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  84. I am 29 yr old guy and my opportunities for dating are less now then when I was 14-22. Since 22 my opportunities for marriage have declined. Although age is not as hard on guys as it relates to marriage (I want to be married with kids and then cheat on my future wive with 18-22 year old hookers), I don’t believe it is easier for guys up until middle or late middle-age.

    In my MBA class, for example, 90% of the high-value girls are already married. I simply don’t run into hot single girls through my circle like how I used to. Cold approaching helps, but the fact is that the vast majority of people find their LTR from their circle.

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    • Shawn, you’re crazy. You’re just coming into your own. Sure, being in high school and college surrounded by girls makes dating easy but just wait until your 30s. There will be a cornucopia of poon available to you.

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  85. I think an alpha can leave a girl better than he found her… by making her realise that alphas are really not what she wants as a long term strategy. Girls should probably date one alpha early on to realise that at worst, they’re thugs and at best they just don’t want the same things the girl does. This is exactly what happened to me. My high school boyfriend was an alpha, and we stayed together for a couple of years (mostly because it was the first “real” relationship either of us had) and once we moved to college his alpha tendencies kicked in and it ended. Now I’m 23 and engaged to a happily beta boy, and frankly, I’ve never been happier. In my head, I’m well shot of alphas and what relationships with them entail.

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  86. Not entirelly true. If you pick up a promising fatty and make her a beauty queen before you dump her, you have saved her life and prepared her for (hopefully) forthcoming meeting with an alpha male. Rare, but can happen. It is not so hard to make a fat girl slim, especially if you are semi alpha or better. Losing weight is pretty simple after all.

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  87. This is the most important post on this blog. ever. This is the paradox… yes, pussy is fun, but to paraphras CS lewis, sex is always more complicated than it seems. Being a player is quite literally being a vampire, sucking the souls of women with every conquest… vampires are victorian literature’s most effective critique of the lothario. It is really worth it to reduce that poor girl to the undead? This is why you keep your dick in your pants. I advised a friend to just “be really bad in bed” prior to dumping her so that the alpha mystique is crushed.. or just beta or omega -upping hardcore so that she loses interest and soften the blow of the break up.

    The other side of the coin is that getting a girl in LTR/marriage can drag a girl from the ignominy of single-dom into the glories of stability and a new life. In three years you can turn a girl from zero to hero. The reality is that dating is much the latter… pick your charity case to marry.

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  88. Lol no such luck, kick him out and keep it moving, keep being the FINE woman you are, sorry boys we aren’t all so feeble 🙂

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    • No? What cities have women built? Where are your great works of heartbreaking intellectual sophistication? (Clue: Jane Austen doesn’t make the cut.) Grand scientific discoveries? Heroic physical achievements?

      Women don’t have any compared to men, so yeah, you are kind of feeble, apart from that childbirth thing. But then, worms can birth. Worms cannot do what men do, however. The older I get, the more I realize how incapable women actually are.

      Everything in life beyond subsistence horror depends on men.

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  89. he lashes out bitterly with rage and spite. These types aren’t as common as type #1, and that’s a good thing, for they can be a nuisance at best and a criminal threat at worst. Type 2s, slave to their uncontrollable pain and anger, will attempt to poison the well of whatever friendships or associations you shared. She will, in varying degrees, stalk you, harass you, slander you and generally try to make it difficult for you to get her out of your life without a restraining order.
    >>>

    You mean an ex wife and her attorney. And no, you can’t get a restraining order against her in most states because there is no physical threat.

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  90. This entry reminds me of Pulp Fiction and this scene. Totally NSFW of course.

    This isn’t the old days. That Captain Save-A-Hoe crap is spent. It’s 2011, we’re all equal now, and someone else’s emotional health is not my problem.

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  91. […] are overweight.  I drop (sometimes subtle) hints about this but they don’t take the bait. – Heartiste’s post reminds me of a one-night-stand, where afterwards I told the girl that things didn’t feel […]

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  92. Not to mention that Monica has been painted with the slut brush like WOAH. Of course she’s finding it hard to get guys to commit

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  93. This blog post and the comments are kind of sad.

    [Heartiste: I don’t feel sad.]

    I recently met, and was dumped, by a guy who thought he was an ‘alpha male’.

    [You have to date and fuck an alpha male before you can be dumped by him.]

    His behaviour was similar to all the above, and yes, I was hurt by it.

    [And yet you couldn’t help but return for more of the same.]

    But you know what, I’m also kind of sad for him.

    [Losers always say that about winners.]

    He’s so messed up, like most of you guys, that he’ll never know what it feels like to be totally at peace when in love with someone.

    [Total inner peace is achieved only through death.]

    That won’t be possible because he has trained himself to think only about the conquest and the sex, rather than the meaning of all the other parts of the relationship and their value.

    [Maybe you weren’t hot enough to inspire him to discover deeper meanings with you?]

    So, I might not have been attracted to every man I have ever met and had to turn some down. Some of them may have had their pride hurt by this, but I would never have intentionally caused them any pain.

    [Most alpha males don’t try to intentionally cause women any pain, either.]

    You lot – you are actually consciously inflicting pain.

    [Only to those who deserve it.]

    That’s different. Do I deserve to be hurt because I don’t go for every man I meet? No.

    [The grinding gears of reality care not for how you feel.]

    Some people think of others’ feelings, some don’t – that goes for both men and women. So don’t punish women who haven’t hurt you for things that other women did.

    [Is that what you believe? Or is that what you want to believe.]

    It doesn’t make sense and it’s childish – someone did something to me so I’ll hurt someone else. I think we learnt this wasn’t the way forward when we were at school!

    [How very solipsistic of you. Not everything that happens to you is a consequence of someone else paying it forward.]

    You pretend to think so highly of yourselves and are so proud of your arrogance and ignorance, but deep down you are all insecure too – wanting to prove to yourself, and others, that you can sleep with a hot woman.

    [Or maybe men want to sleep with hot women because it’s more pleasurable than sleeping with ugly women. Naaaahhh… that couldn’t be it.]

    Guess what – there is more to life!

    [Life without good sex and love is like attending a party where everyone but you is laughing at an inside joke. You keep feeling like you’re missing out on something.]

    And plenty of women who can see right through this whole game and aren’t bothered whether they’ll meet another ‘alpha’ male. To be honest, I think I’m well rid!

    [Another cock carousel victim heard from. I’m sure the desperate beta you eventually corral into marriage will be delighted to hear your cock hopping days are behind you.]

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  94. Why didn’t you post my last comment? As far as I can remember there was nothing obscene or inappropriate in it – unlike your whole blog!!

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