Women’s Shifting Perceptions Of Male Looks

A critical sex difference is in how men and women perceive the looks of the opposite sex. A woman’s beauty is a powerfully visceral stimulant of men’s desire, and tends to remain so until their beauty begins the fade in earnest by the early-mid 30s. Men’s looks, in contrast, provide a more muted stimulation of women’s desire — less visceral and more aesthetic compared to the hungering stimulation female beauty causes men to feel — and this stimulation of female desire tends to manifest in two ways.

1. Women can be drawn to men’s looks upon first sight, just as men are by women’s looks, but unlike men, women can (and will) nearly instantly lose the thrall they feel in the presence of a good-looking man should his behavior and conversation come across as unattractively beta. Betaness can kill the advantage of good looks dead.

The same is *not* the case when the sexes are reversed; that is, a beautiful, bitchy women will still make men feel horny, even as the bitchy attitude discourages men from treating such women kindly.

Maxim #67: When women are confronted by a man with low status behavior that is incongruent with his high status looks, they will never resolve the incongruity to the benefit of his status; women will always resolve the incongruity to the detriment of his looks.

2. Women will gradually perceive a man’s looks getting better over time if he possesses other attractiveness traits (e.g., charm, fame, social savvy) or if the woman in question has fallen in love with him. “Time”, in this context, can be as long as years or as short as a few minutes. A man running tight game *will* be perceived as better looking by women. A man in a relationship who is loved by his girlfriend or wife will also enjoy the benefit of positively altered female perception of his looks.

Again, the same phenomenon does not exist when the sexes are reversed; an ugly woman, no matter how charming, wealthy, famous, kind or personable, will *not* be perceived as better looking by men. A similar dynamic operates within relationships; in fact, a woman in a long term relationship can actually become *less* attractive to her lover as his desire for variety begins to outcompete his feelings of love and loyalty.

There is one caveat: early in a relationship, when the feelings of love are strongest (3 months to 2 years, depending on his basal oxytocin levels), a man will be so infused with a dopamine high that his woman will seem more beautiful to him than when they started dating fornicating. Although — and this cannot be stressed enough — NEVER will she seem more beautiful than when he FIRST laid eyes on her. That initial blast of lust is impossible to duplicate.

The above observation of the female inclination to perceive a lover’s looks in more favorable terms explains the time-tested wisdom that a woman in love thinks her man better looking than he is. I believe this change in perception is so powerful that it actually reflects a neural rewiring of a woman’s brain circuitry when gazing upon the visage of a man she loves. Similar radical alterations in female perception happen when a woman is pleasantly surprised by a charismatic man who is successfully seducing her despite his unimpressive looks.

Stingray wrote:

I knew a guy in high school who had severe burn scars covering more than half his face.  Dated one of the most popular girls in school for a long time and was liked by all the other girls as well.  Everyone who knew him said that after knowing him for only a short time, the scars were invisible.  They simply became part of who he was and went completely unnoticed.   Attitude is everything.  Looks may slow down those initial reactions, but if you move beyond that and maintain a confident frame, they will not hinder you much.

Scar game.

A man’s physical flaws are like disappearing ink — exposure to a woman’s love, or even her interest, will cause them to fade away.

And here is some real world experimental evidence that manly confidence influences women’s perceptions.

According to a university study, women can still identify a physically  attractive man just by reading his profile.

It found good-looking men were able  to convey their confidence and attractiveness in their written self-description – and that women volunteers were able to recognise their beauty without being shown the lonely heart’s accompanying photograph. […]

‘Our data suggests that attractive individuals wrote texts (profiles) that  conveyed confidence, and it was perhaps this confidence which primarily  signalled quality to the women.’

The associate professor added that ‘such confidence may arise from attractive  people’s general sense of their high mate-value’.

Take home lesson: If you’re an ugly man, you can influence women to perceive you as more physically attractive than you are by projecting the confident demeanor of an attractive man. A low status man can influence female perception by projecting the attitude and body language of a high status man. This is the crux of game.





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  1. “NEVER will she seem more beautiful than when he FIRST laid eyes on her”

    Maybe not more beautiful, but there are women who, by means of their attitude, demeanour and style will seem more attractive once you have met them.

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    • I agree completely with this. French women often have this effect. She’s not really beautiful, you say to your self; but after a while you start to sense her charm and become attracted to her.

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  2. Best evidence for this point – inter-racial relationships. Much more common to see a white woman and black man than the reverse. Why? Two forces at work: 1) people are inherently attracted to members of their same race, and often find members of other races to be physically unattractive, BUT 2) status, confident frame, i.e. game, can cause a woman to become attracted to a man, even when not particularly attracted to his looks.

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    • Or black men fiend after white women, given the ugliness and bitchiness and fatness of most black women, and eventually the trashy ones sleep with the brothas.

      And have low-I.Q. mulatto children. On welfare.

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      • Ive noticed that the sluts that are most attracted to black men can simultaneously switch that off when in the company of a cowboy. I think it has something to do with their need for an uber-male, and in our feminizing culture, most white men are henpecked into betaness early and often.

        This phenomenon is severely muted in the West. Working with your hands/outdoors is still seen as “high status” behavior. Getting on a horse breaking him to your will (and your body in the process) is encouraged by fathers and only mildly curtailed by worrisome mothers. Hard work also has the added benefit of increasing testosterone levels, which contributes to a “masculinizing” feedback-loop of all-American awesomeness. Tall, ruddy cowboys nail all the hottest women…even (especially) the dirtiest whores. +5 points if he has blue eyes and premature crow’s feet.

        Put men back in masculine work environments, and we could right this ship in months.

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      • For a lifelong relationship they don’t want them, but let’s be honest here: A higher percentage of black men have the physical qualities they find attractive than white men. And not just their big dicks.

        And if amateur porn has taught me anything, it’s that white guys can’t fuck to save their lives.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 12:18 pm David Rockefeller

        Don’t overlook that black men tolerate fatties more than white men.

        Surprisingly often, you’ll see a black man/white woman couple where he’s built like an underwear model and she’s 40 pounds overweight.

        And each of them is going around thinking, “Having him (her) in my pants makes me the luckiest person on the planet.”

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      • Jesus, get over it. Sex is a service women do for men, not the other way around. Maybe this attitude is why black guys rape so many white girls, they think their extra junk is what makes the world turn. Or this is just gay projection of gay values into the world of normal people.
        The alleged biological difference seems to be that black guys are attracted to ugly chicks in the way that white guys are attracted to attractive chicks which may be the value for LTR’s that *me* stumbled upon. R hit on this with that fat sex columnist, ugly bitches appreciate the testosterone enthusiasm that some black guys allegedly have for ugly and fat chicks, actually flirting with and desiring sex with girls that most quality white guys wouldn’t touch, keeping the flame alive, whereas a white guy would rather kill himself.

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      • Black men don’t get hot white women though. Whether they can or can’t for whatever reasons is beside the point. They usually go for gross ugly fat white trash girls with eyes too close together.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 12:22 pm David Rockefeller

        You need to get out more. Go to NY, Miami, LA. Lots of black men with hot white girls. Hell, even on Capitol Hill.

        But point taken regarding people living in trailer trash america. but then, they’re all ugly, white or black.

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      • Go to NY, Miami, LA. Lots of black men with hot white girls. Hell, even on Capitol Hill.

        While you’re “going to”, normal white people are “fleeing from” those shining beacons of humanity. But, they must be “trailer trash”.

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      • Yes, I call this the “white man hamster.” If they can keep lying to themselves that black guys ONLY date ugly, fat white women, they can make themselves feel much better about their own betatude.

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      • yes yes, Heidi Klum and Seal are the “white man hamster, black guyz rox” advocate’s Demi and Ashton. Athletes and stars are another strata of life, so let’s not get too full of ourselves. In the real world, hot white chicks who date black guys are probably more impressed by the over-aggressive, danger vibe that black guys can give off.

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      • Its still about 90% ugly white chicks to the 10% of them who are fuckable until Tyree gets done wearing them out. Once a girl has gone black, she has to be ruthlessly shunned. In general it is still so.

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      • I think I can explain the reason why some White women, and there are really not that many of them, date Negro men.

        The main reason, perhaps the only reason, White women date Negroes is because these women prefer men with a low IQ/low intelligence level. They want men with intellectual deficits. Many of these women suffer from depression and anxiety and it makes them feel good about themselves to date someone who is beneath them—even the fat, ugly ones can get away with that in this context.

        One could theorize that Negro men have a desire to return to slavery status. That is, that the Negro implicitly knows his place inside White society and feels better about himself living under those conditions.

        Negro men have the lowest intelligence level of any human group on Earth, with Negro women having only a slightly higher intelligence level.

        When someone like Heidi Klum decides to have a mulatto child she is making the conscious choice to have a mentally retarded baby.

        Check out the links below and I think you’ll see what the controlling factor is in these dating arrangements.

        Proficiency of Black Students Is Found To Be Far Lower Than Expected
        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/11/proficiency-of-black-students-is-found-to-be-far-lower-than-expected/

        When Will They Finally Start Talking About IQ?
        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/kevin-macdonald-will-they-finally-start-talking-about-iq/

        Kevin MacDonald: Brain imaging evidence for the genetic basis of IQ and behavioral restraint
        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/03/kevin-macdonald-brain-imaging-evidence-for-the-genetic-basis-of-iq-and-behavioral-restraint/

        IQ: Why Africa is Africa – and Haiti Haiti
        http://www.vdare.com/misc/rushton_african_iq.htm

        The Totality of Available Evidence Shows the Race IQ Gap Still Remains
        http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2006 PSnew.pdf

        James Watson’s most inconvenient truth: Race realism and the moralistic fallacy
        http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2008%20Med%20Hypotheses.pdf
        J. Philippe Rushton, Ph.D., D.Sc., Department of Psychology, The University of Western Ontario, Canada, examines undisputed racial differences in intelligence.

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      • Well no shit. Most black women don’t get hot white men either. Why is this any surprise? There’s a racial hierarchy in the American sexual marketplace where the darker you are the lower your perceived value. Which means a black guy/girl who is objectively a “7” may effectively be a “5” in the sexual marketplace when dating another race, whereas a white “5” will be a “7” if they are dating another race. Of course a white “5” will still be just a “5” if they are dating only other whites. I hear it’s different in Europe though and you are more likely to see good looking blacks dating good looking whites. And of course I see many exceptions where both the black and white partner in America are both good looking or both ugly. And btw, most ugly white women by far are with ugly white men.

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      • ^^This. Especially true of Asians, it seems to me. I live in a middle/upper class area, worked retail in a heavily trafficked SWPL area, tons of white men with Asian (Oriental, not Indian) women, and most of them seemed rather bitch. The English speaking and western raised Asian ladies usually seemed like stereotypically crazy tiger harridans. In the case of the foreign imports (the majority of the ones I saw in my 2 years working there), the white guy, who comes off like such a little bitch talking to the hot salesgirls, is in full Alpha mode with his Asian. I’d guess the Thai or Vietnamese girls, having been picked up by these guys while they were away on business trips or vacations (maybe over the course of 3 or 4 visits) don’t understand the dynamics of the western sexual marketplace. Asian societies are much more traditional, more arranged marriages, more formality and rigidly enforced politeness. Plus white men tend to view Asians with a “Zebra” effect; they all look the same. When your woman looks like a cookie-cutter doll, like every other not-too-ugly or not-too-hot member of her own race, I guess it’s easier for betas to keep themselves from seeing her as unique. And while I have no way of knowing, I suspect alot of these Asians, who look maybe like 6’s or 7’s to whites due to their neotany and weird, bland, featureless cartoony look.

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      • unfinished thought:

        “I suspect alot of these Asians, who look maybe like 6′s or 7′s to whites due to their neotany and weird, bland, featureless cartoony look, are really 3’s or 4’s to their own kind”

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      • The obscene level of racism I see in the comments of this blog is why I rarely even come here anymore. This place is worse than youtube.

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      • damn, grow a pair. This is low level stuff, mostly presented by the SWPL-approved african side of the aisle. The youngin’s in this country have been trained to cry wolf, but they ain’t never seen a pup, let alone the real shit.

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      • Somehow whites manage to get thru higher institutions of education despite the appalling amount of racism in the form of officially sanctioned courses that teach them their identity is an evil construct, they and only they can be evil and are responsible for all the worlds ills either directly or indirectly, that they are required to work their entire lives in penance for an unforgivable original sin. Meanwhile we have Negros being taught that they built the pyramids.

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    • That certainly plays into it. In addition to that, I reckon the perceived status that is sometimes correlated with attaining a white woman is a huge motivator.

      On a slightly tangential note, I’ve noticed that when black men date white women, they tend to pick up the ones that white men don’t even seem to want. Conversely, the extremely few white men who date black women tend to pick up the most desirable ones.

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    • on November 21, 2011 at 11:53 pm Addicted to the P (pheromones)

      “Best evidence for this point – inter-racial relationships. Much more common to see a white woman and black man than the reverse. Why?”

      Strong-ass pheromones. Read here;

      http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/once-you-go-black-you-only-54725.html

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    • Nah. It really only proves #2 i.e. women are hypergamous… and we already knew that.

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  3. And on top of this, there’s the temporal dimension: diverging attractiveness curves as each sex ages: men generally get more attractive, women usually less so.

    The header photo changed- it is rather feminine, and sort of like an ad for a luxury hotel. Which is not entirely inappropriate for the Chateau, I suppose.

    [Heartiste: A luxury hotel with handcuff-equipped bed!]

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    • Indeed. The “lies” in red a nice touch.

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    • Yes, typography much better. Font fetishists have found each other on the internet, and they have a point. Nothing adds or subtracts from a composition like typeface selection. Steve Jobs was the ur-fetishist who studied calligraphy, which is why he introduced the variety of fonts to home computing.

      The overall effect of the photo and wording is art deco. It is a little bit fey and perfumed, though. That is the danger of the French idiom, which “Heartiste” has deployed since adopting his former alter-ego from The Story of O. France is feminine:

      There are two kinds of geniuses: one which above all engenders and seeks to engender, and another which willingly lets itself be fructified and brings forth. And similarly, among the gifted nations, there are those on whom the woman’s problem of pregnancy has devolved, and the secret task of forming, maturing, and perfecting [i.e., the creature which gets fucked] —the Greeks, for instance, were a nation of this kind, and so are the French; and others which have to fructify and become the cause of new modes of life—like the Jews, the Romans, and, in all modesty be it asked: like the Germans? [the creature which does the fucking]—nations tortured and enraptured by unknown fevers and irresistibly forced out of themselves, amorous and longing for foreign races (for such as “let themselves be fructified”), and withal imperious, like everything conscious of being full of generative force, and consequently empowered “by the grace of God.” These two kinds of geniuses seek each other like man and woman; but they also misunderstand each other—like man and woman.

      — Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, VIII. Peoples and Fatherlands
      [emphasis added]

      It’s an underappreciated danger of an obsession with game: a man may soften himself, metrosexualize, identify too closely with the quarry. Schedule a hunting trip or join a rugby team or take up boxing to balance out the humors.

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    • Re: Website aesthetics

      Steve Jobs was the absolute master of understanding the importance of aesthetic. He was a crazed perfectionist in this regard. We call it “branding” but it is really more of an acknowledgment of the power of artistry, or “the medium is the message.” He intuited that it is harder, much harder, to be creative on an ugly machine, which is why he was such an uncompromising maniac about design. Artists responded first and viscerally to Apple, and soon the entire market caught up with his vision.

      The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don’t mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don’t think of original ideas, and they don’t bring much culture into their products.

      — Steve Jobs

      In other words, just like an alpha conveys more with his body language than with speech, a website conveys more with its style and theme than is usually appreciated. A serious reevaluation of one’s aesthetic pays dividends in clarity of expression.

      Right now the overall look of this page is a little too bright and squeaky clean, like baby powder. It actively detracts from its subversive and somewhat dangerous message. The “theme” is “MistyLook by Sadish.” Queer. Not that you have to GET MORE METAL and start painting everything black in that adolescent evil-is-kewl/Tucker Max way, but you need a tint of mystery or shadow, less antisepsis. What would be the webpage’s aesthetic equivalent to a bespoke alpha’s presence? That’s the frame of mind to adopt when becoming self-critical.

      You’re on the right track trying to get your frontispiece (huh huh) just right and inviting criticism about it, which most relegate to an afterthought, which works at cross-purposes to the very reason they’re blogging. The best PUA aesthetic I’ve seen is the simple black cover and bold small lettering of Roosh’s book BANG, but that contrast would punish loyal web readers with its oppressiveness. (And poetic as “Where pretty lies perish” is, I have to give it to Cajun’s tagline in a squeaker for conveying complete aloofness: “Chicken soup for the … fuck you.”)

      I’m thinking a serif font and true italics might serve you better than that clapped-out san-serif whore of the internet, Verdana. Go with muted but darker colors. Aim for the feel of that really good, leather-bound hardcover parchment that says, this is a keeper, as opposed to the fluorescent gray-blue copy paper you’re currently entrusting your wisdom to. Maybe deep crimson over flesh tones? Like blood, or henna tattooed on female skin. There is a temptation to overdo the red, though, rather than allow it to underline as you do successfully in your new banner (“lies”).

      Keep it simple and uncluttered, with a focus on the stream of text, and don’t break up the narrative with interruptions and jump links. A.B. Dada and Rollo Tomassi are good finding thematic photo clip art that stamps their posts with a visual (that can be tricky, though). Who knows. You know it when you see it. The hard part is conjuring up the just-right aesthetic. But the current ivory-soap 99 & 44/100% pure! theme is jarring, at odds with your mission.

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  4. Don´t be afraid of sounding ridiculous painting yourself as super(cave)man.
    “This is the crux of game.”

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  5. on November 21, 2011 at 5:18 pm Murray F. Rottencrotch

    You’re doing a great job making your name dumber and dumber and your site’s look shittier and shittier.

    We chide because we love xoxoxo.

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  6. OK, enough about the uglies, what about a good looking guy? How does one leverage looks?

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    • By being seen?

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    • temp wrote: “OK, enough about the uglies, what about a good looking guy? How does one leverage looks?”

      By not overestimating their utility. Heartiste hints at this in his post. If looks are the cake for women, they’re the icing for men.

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      • By eliminating the mistakes that you used to make. Really, the best advice given is the time constraint opener, opening a group or conversation without raising shields. Next, is understanding the shit-test, which a good looking guy may initially take as a sign of no attraction, instead of a IOI. Third, is noticing IOI’s and progressing. I think that if you’re the type of guy who’s been cold-opened by girls in the past, progressing with SNLs, your expectations will be out of whack when you actually try to do the hard work. Finally, as the host points out, your looks may not be enough to overcome bad social proofing if you barf beta.

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    • on November 22, 2011 at 2:40 pm Obstinance Works

      Assanova is always harping on that point. I think it’s just lazy game, but hey he scores so whatever right.

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  7. Countdown to women angrily denying that they ever date ugly men in 3…2…1

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    • Can’t speak for other women, but I’ve dated a man whose face others probably considered “ugly.” Bad hygiene, however, is a deal breaker.

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    • I dated a man my sophomore year of college who definitely had a face only a mother could love, but what compensated for that was his confidence and how he so effortlessly projected control over his immediate environment. I suppose being pretty high up on the design team for a world renown designer helped too.

      While we were dating, a few of my girlfriends would tell me on a number of occasions that I could do much better, which at the time didn’t really affect my perception since I was consciously aware he was physically unattractive, but I think it might have in the long run–at least subconsciously. What I’ve gathered in my fairly brief experiences in dating is that I’m significantly more tolerant of the guys I’ve dated who are physically attractive versus the ones who are unattractive. Not average, but unattractive. So when designer guy messed up, it was a lot easier to drop and forget him versus the men who I found quite good looking.

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      • Here we go again, hearing a woman talking about the miscellaneous cocks that she used to take up her orifices.

        Can’t you ladies pretend to be virgins or something, or only talk about your marital sex with a loving husband who deflowered you?

        We don’t wanna know anything about your past random cockgobblings. Believe it or not, it doesn’t add nothing, I repeat, Nothing to the conversation.
        Thank you very much.

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      • The rafting over there in Egypt must be really prime for you to spend so much time on the river.

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      • If you’d like to be taken seriously at all, I suggest you make at least one substantive point amongst all of that passive aggression, primary school shaming tactics, and radical puritanism. Perhaps then I’ll be so inclined to entertain you with a substantive response.

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      • Nice ass.

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      • Nope. Flat ass. But nice legs.

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  8. on November 21, 2011 at 5:46 pm A♠ [Ace of Spades]

    Seeing the banner layout I created and sent you made my day, Château Heartíste.

    I’m thrilled you enjoyed it and honored you used it.

    Thank you.

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    • It was my guess that the banner was a gift. You did a good job. I assume such work is your profession.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 9:05 pm A♠ [Ace of Spades]

        “I assume such work is your profession. “

        No, I’m a screenwriter by trade.

        Photography and visual arts are just a few of many other artistic hobbies I pursue.

        But thank you for thinking so.

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      • on November 23, 2011 at 3:55 am A♠ [Ace of Spades]

        Now that I think on it:

        While it’s not my profession, I’d be a fool to miss an opportunity.

        So if you (or this site’s owners) know of anyone that might enjoy my work, please let me know (and I’ll share my email address)..

        I’d be happy to work something out.

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    • Is there an acute accent in Heartiste? Or is that just the freelance photoshop contractor going rogue and straining to affect sophistication?

      DETAILS, PEOPLE.

      Unfuck your sloppy amateur shit and get it back on my desk before I’m done with this scotch.

      Hêàrtïsté, you have to start earning that Don Draper icon. John Hamm is rolling over in his off-season beach hammock.

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      • No, its the dot on the “i” made to look like an accent accute. That kind of crap annoys me too, like umlauts on letters that would never use them- “e” ir “i” for instance. Its especially bad form when its redundant like on the name “Bonet”.

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      • Hater. Where would Mötley Crüe, Queensrÿche, Blue Öyster Cult, and Spın̈al Tap be if they listened to your theory of umlaut suppression?

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 8:45 pm A♠ [Ace of Spades]

        Oddly enough:

        In addition, I sent an image that lacked both accents, as well.

        (The site owners can verify this).

        So I’ll expect an apology on MY desk when you sober up.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 8:49 pm A♠ [Ace of Spades]

        “Is there an acute accent in Heartiste?”

        Yes. The site owners had one there, originally. I copied exactly as I saw it.

        Also, I corrected the spelling of “Château”:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau

        (I speak French)

        “DETAILS, PEOPLE.

        Unfuck your sloppy amateur shit and get it back on my desk before I’m done with this scotch.”

        As you can see, I did my research and executed it flawlessly.

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      • You speak French, so you should know there is never an accent aigu over the letter i. What is “Heartíste” then? An English-French portmanteau rendered with Spanish diacritical marks? (Note that you took pains to reproduce the faux-sophisticated, diacritical cross-pollination in your own commentary.)

        You didn’t do your “research,” and you “executed” another person’s flawed concept. That’s nothing to brag about. Passing the buck is shameful. When you take credit for a project, you own the flaws too, even if they weren’t your own. Who originated becomes not as important as your transmitting them. Or did your dad let you get away with “SHE STARTED IT!!!” as an excuse? When a superior insists you put your name to shoddy work, you maintain your good name and your honor by politely declining to the point of resigning, if necessary.

        But this is good. We’re learning lots today!

        Now stop sassing me for free lessons on contract and business etiquette, and go fix your shit, “ace.” Chop chop.

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      • on November 28, 2011 at 5:22 am A♠ [Ace of Spades]

        While I appreciate your words, you’ve obviously forgotten the #1 rule in business:

        The customer is always right.

        Also, as Robert Green writes in the 48 Laws or Power:

        #1 – Never Outshine The Master.

        Good day to you.

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      • Well, if that’s the “#1 rule in business,” then businessmen are slaves. Except, in commercial republics such as ours, businessmen are the highest type of man. A merchant fancies himself slave to the market and the customer, whereas an entrepreneur (such as Steve Jobs) creatively destroys the market and imposes his superior preferences on the amorphous mass. Very different human types.

        There is a reason why Jobs was universally admired, widely worshiped, and even occasionally loved, despite being such a colossal prick that legends of his powerful example survive his death.

        Customer service is not mere flattery. “Service” means serving them, and false flattery never serves anyone. The customer service provided by my businesses does not entail lying to the customer when he is wrong. It entails giving wide berth to the customer’s erroneous understanding of reality so as not to create unnecessary conflict, and yet having the dignity to defend the truth so that the customer has a template against which he might unfuck himself. Serving a customer tends negatively toward simple unservice (surly diner dragoon waitresses) or foppish cowering (refunding a patron on demand), both bad service that will destroy your enterprise. There is an art to this, of course. Applying rigid orthodoxies like “the customer is always right” destroys that art.

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      • Which brings us to the preposterous quant notion of 48 Laws of Power.

        NEVER OUTSHINE THE MASTER. Always make those above you feel comfortably superior. In your desire to please or impress them, do not go too far in displaying your talents or you might accomplish the opposite–inspire fear and insecurity. Make your masters appear more brilliant than they are and you will attain the heights of power.

        These are “laws” for runt courtiers who have no natural source of vigor and so must manipulate the power of others and thereby artificially (and temporarily) accrue their own. From the first this site has made me ill for all the flattery heaped upon “The Master.” You really think this kind of obsequious behavior inspires respect in a man worthy of your respect? You really think that any self-made man, as opposed to the inherited aristocrats to which this advice might apply, would be tricked by the very techniques he employed on his own way to the top? He laughs at it, and so should you.

        I have seen gameboys occasionally refer to Greene’s book. Please tell me that some dimestore anthology hasn’t become the classical basis of game. Miseducation is worse than a lack of education.

        “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.” ― Mark Twain

        Is Greene’s Art of Seduction also a part of the canon? Aieeee.

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      • on November 28, 2011 at 5:25 am A♠ [Ace of Spades]

        I meant – ’48 Laws of Power’.

        And thank you for dedicating your time and effort in correcting me.

        Every artist appreciates attention – positive or negative.

        It keeps us sharp and reminds us we’re getting to people.

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  9. Great post. I’m told by several women that scars look hot, depending on where on the face.

    One of the best examples, probably already noted in the comments to the Scar Game post, is illustrated by musician Seal, who has lotsa babies with a supermodel.

    My brother has a big scar on his nose from a bike crash. It doesn’t detract–only ads character.

    I’ve got two prominent facial scars, both from childhood rambunctiousness. Women dig them, especially the one on my philtrum. In intimate moments, it is not uncommon for a woman to trace the scar with her fingers, before kissing it.

    Woman almost always ask about them. It’s one of the stronger IOI’s that I get on a regular basis.

    I’ve got a couple of good stories about how the scars came to be, that are great DHV’s.

    PS I like the new header. It’s clean & elegant, and only the studious observer will see the edgy placement of certain objects. I think Maurice missed the point.

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    • Even cleft palates can be attractive. See Joaquin Phoenix.

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    • on November 21, 2011 at 7:01 pm A♠ [Ace of Spades]

      “PS I like the new header. It’s clean & elegant, and only the studious observer will see the edgy placement of certain objects. I think Maurice missed the point”

      Thank you.

      I appreciate the compliment.

      [Heartiste: Yes, this commenter offered the font suggestion, which I liked. Props where props is due.]

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  10. [Heartiste: A luxury hotel with handcuff-equipped bed!]

    Now that you explained it cool but you can’t really make out the ‘cuffs on the bed post. Also, I would suggest making the “lies” word in red a slight bit bigger so that it is more clear.

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  11. Men’s looks don’t fade with time because his children will still be good looking no matter what age he sires them. An ugly man will have ugly children no matter how much money he has or how physically fit he is.

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    • Is there any scientific proof for this or are you just talking out of your ass?

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      • Good looking people have good looking children the same way tall people have tall children and smart people have smart children. Do I need to back up that statement? Facial symmetry (genetic diversity), good skin (not too many bad hormones), healthy hair & teeth (good hygiene and genes), are all things that are considered attractive to the opposite sex. A guy who is good looking at 50 or 60 was good looking at 30. A guy who is ugly at 30 will be ugly at 60. Sorry about that.

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      • There is no proof. He’s talking out of his ass like most people. Sometimes they’re ugly, sometimes they’re good looking, sometimes 1 kid is ugly and the other is good looking.

        You might have a better shot at having a good looking kid and you might not.

        You’re over simplifying which leads me to believe you’re lazy. Maybe that’s genetic too.

        Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt have good looking kids. Jolie’s mother was gorgeous and her father was plain. Christy Turlington’s kids look more like Ed Burns while Christy looks almost exactly like her gorgeous mother but her sisters don’t.

        Genetic explanations are almost always complete horseshit and there’s very little about it that could be called scientific.

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      • ‘Jolie’s mother was gorgeous and her father was plain.’

        huh?? her dad was the baby-faced jon voight.

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    • nonsense. a wealthy ugly man can get a trophy wife that more than makes up for his own low attractiveness. this has been happening for centuries. wealthy men dont have ugly kids, no matter how ugly they themselves actually are.

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      • assuming of course that millionaires are alpha. we have beta billionaires like Zuckerberg, so now that i think about it, its still possible to have ugly kids i guess.

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      • yup, I’ve met some rich guys who were in a similar spot to gameless good looking guys, they’re like”well, I am rich, so technically the bitches should love me. Wait, why aren’t they throwing themselves at me? So now what? Shit, I better settle like Zuckerberg.” Of course, bitches like $ more than looks, so $ is something more than a positive sex trait, but a guy can still fuck it up.

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      • I guess you are right, it is possible, however improbable. But answer me a question please. All things held constant, if a woman wants to have a good looking child, why would she mate with someone who’s ugly? And if she has a choice between a handsome millionaire and an ugly one, why would she choose the latter?

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      • Practically speaking, how many women have the option of choosing between millionaires? The majority are lucky to catch the attention of one in their life.

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    • on November 22, 2011 at 1:41 pm David Rockefeller

      It’s called regression to the mean, dude.

      My dad was voted best looking male in his HS class. My mom was drop-dead gorgeous. (She was the face in the ads for a company world-famous for its good-looking employees.)

      And they produced kids who are more attractive than average but not in mom and dad’s league.

      Which is exactly what statistics would predict.

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  12. Everybody rationalizes stuff … they don’t actually believe the ugly attractive guy is better looking, they just choose to ignore it and focus on what they actually care about.

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    • No, I think when a woman is in love she actually perceives her homely looking guy as handsome. I saw the ugly guy I dated a few years after the relationship ended ( amicably.) That was the first time I truly saw that he was ugly. When I was in love with him I perceived him differently.

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  13. Your quoted study about online profiles reminded me; Heartiste, would you be able to suggest ways to convey confidence in writing? Are there written phrases which carry the same weight/significance as specific verbal/nonverbal cues do in person?

    Since much of dating/game now takes place at least in some form online (for some people, if schedule is an issue, it can take place entirely online), it’s importance only grows.

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    • A couple of suggestions:

      -Write your profile as if you are speaking to your date in front of your face.
      -Don’t tell them about yourself, show them about yourself
      Ex:
      Don’t write: I’m a [profession] and enjoy my work, been doing it for x years. My boss is hard to work with, but that’s ok.
      Write: The other day at the office my boss spilled coffee on the printer, I’m glad I’m good at [profession] otherwise the company would go under without me. (Something to that effect)
      -Be vague and somewhat peculiar
      -don’t reference politics, religion, work, sexual stuff, your accomplishments, your material items at all
      -invite them to write you “I’d be interested to get to know you a little better.”

      A woman will focus more on your profile and again, how it makes her FEEL. And your objective is to illicit interest, curiosity enough to initiate a brief conversation via email. Some women will be more compliant and actually have attraction for you at the get go, however you can also kill that attraction with one stupid sentance.

      I do well with online game, but honestly I prefer cold approach once I became better at it.

      Good luck man.

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  14. A good looking man who gives off bad game is even worse than a lesser handsome guy with the same game. With good looks, he should have more confidence unless he’s got some real inner-game problems. So, if he’s acting beta, that’s probably more alarming to a girl because it is indecorous.

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    • Absolutely brilliant observation.

      Assanova a while back came to the same conclusion in regard to tall dudes with little (or no) Game – what attraction a woman may initially have for a tall beta can, and will, evaporate the moment he shows incongruence with his expected behavior — with him being more harshly judged and criticised than he would be otherwise — hence even less attractive to a woman, in spite of his height.

      Take home lesson is that women seem to hate *incongrence* in a man more than almost anything else.

      *Of course, since most personality is genetic, it is not easy for a beta, although he may be good-looking, tall or otherwise, to overcome his natural behavioral tendencies all that easy — which I guess is the reason blogs like this exist.

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  15. Game is more important, but underestimates how much good looks can initially draw a woman, especially a beautiful woman. Looks also give you more leeway to fail shit tests.

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    • Bullshit. I can’t stand pretty boys with no game.

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      • on November 21, 2011 at 10:47 pm Too Smart To Fail

        Womanese for “I hate when I see gorgeous men who don’t even acknowledge my existance!”

        Of course, since the dopamine rush in men peaks at first sight of an attractive woman and declines there after, Lara instinctively knows that if she didn’t catch his attention at first sight, nothing else she can do will change his mind..

        Then, the rationalization hamster makes up all kinds of excuses why he sucks to soothe the bruised ego and the reflection she is not good enough (he’s probably gay, or I prefer taller men, or I don’t care for his style, or he’s not a man because he didn’t approach me, he’s blond, I prefer brunette, yada yada yada..)

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      • No, I gotta go with Laura on this one. It is almost disconcerting to meet a beta pretty boy or even worse a beta rugged man (my type). Maybe it is because our expectations are that since he is so good looking his game will be spot on, and when he is uber beta, it is an even bigger turn off. The attraction does not just fade with a man like this. It goes over a cliff. The attraction is gone almost instantaneously.

        Heartiste,

        Thank you for the honor.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 1:51 pm Too Smart To Fail

        Exactly why when I see an attractive woman, and discover she has no brains!
        Talk about attraction going off the cliff!!

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      • Maybe , but I’m the exception to the rule.

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    • Dude, i know a very attractive guy(not to sound gay) that might initially get attention from woman but is very introverted and ‘beta’, he has slept with only 2 woman, i have another friend that looks like peewee herman and has a sinister squeel laugh and he has slept with many woman

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  16. Heartiste, I swear I’ll post an on-topic comment one day. Anyway, in the meantime, please see the following:

    http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/no-one-lifted-a-finger-as-dad-raised-his-hand-at-mum/

    The sheer misandry surrounding this ‘White Ribbon Day’ farce is astounding. If you see the comments section, it’s a heartwarming sight to see that other men are finally awakening and voicing their protest against it.

    Saturation point is nigh…

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  17. how many times have you seen good-looking guys married to _meh_ women? quite a few. male looks do have some cachet with cunning but mediocre women looks-wise who want to have his ‘handsome’ genes and can easily tolerate his beta personality. you have to acknowledge that women with fewer options will emphasize male looks in the competition for sperm donor as well as husband.

    [Heartiste: Most good-looking men are going to date even better looking women. It’s not like the plain janes have a choice in the matter. Good looking men who settle for mediocre chicks have some debilitating beta traits which hamper them.]

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    • on November 21, 2011 at 10:54 pm Too Smart To Fail

      I’ve never seen a good-looking guy married to _meh_woman. Come to think of it, I can’t recall an instance where I’ve ever said, “What the hell is he doing with her?”

      CH is right, they are usual very close in attractiveness or if the man is very attractive, the woman is even more attractive.

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      • Good looking guys married to mehs can be explained by lack of game and thus they don’t know better. It goes like this: avg girl nails down the guy before he realizes he’s good looking. Good looking guy gets older and loses confidence when bitches don’t throw themselves at him anymore, and gets nabbed by an avg chick who shows interest.
        But really, the key to avoid this is for a guy to learn he’s good looking and then date better looking girls (not every guy knows, or is the top-top tier get noticed by talent scouts hot, or like me: they lose that 10 pounds of college beer weight and suddenly be considered attractive). When I started dating hot girls, they have up front stated, more so than any average chick I dated, factually that “you are very attractive.”
        The upshot being, the guy with this experience now knows he can and should do better. Oh, but at the same time, before I figured this stuff out, it was weird to know that I was attractive but not score like other people who, in hindsight, had more game. So, CH is on point. Just being attractive isn’t enough because you can still shoot yourself in the foot.

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      • David deangelo married a warpig. Some guys are just beta in their core.

        It takes courage actually to marry a 9 or 10. They havemore options, higher oestradiol levels, and are proven to be more likely to trade up or stray.
        Men know this on a subconscious level.

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      • Check out the mayor of Vancouver and his meh wife.

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  18. God help the average to ugly looking guy with poor game, because nothing else will.

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  19. The new header adds a lovely touch. I like how it plays into and compliments the whole “château” theme. Well done.

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    • Jesus just give R a blowjob and be done with it

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      • You mad, huh?

        Ha! Really though, I’m a girl. I’m a sucker (heh) for aesthetics and was pleasantly surprised to see the upgrade, what can I say?

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      • The first and best of the banners had a subtle threat that spread from its shimmer: beauty is departing, better learn to game.

        If one looked really closely, one could see the faintest hint of their cracks in the mocking gossamers of their gowns.

        It was good.–

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  20. “Lara
    Bullshit. I can’t stand pretty boys with no game.”

    “See what women do, and not what they say”.

    Anyway, in many ways its moot because good looks and alpha behavior reinforce each other. I think ch said this somewhere else, but good-looking men – goodlooking enough to be models – are conditioned from a young age to be sexually aggressive and have a strong frame.

    Though, good looks without game won’t get you anywhere.

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  21. Truly is amazing how men with sub standard looks can realign the cosmic forces of attraction into their favor via game. I still feel like a youngin disseminating all this info conciously and repitiously drilling it into my mind until its as if it was always there.

    A few years ago I thought of myself as physically ugly and would completely disregard any compliment on my looks that a woman would give me. I would focus on some flaw or something in my mind and it would be magnified until thats all I could think of and so I figured that everyone else felt the same way about me too. This went not just about my looks but also how I viewed myself as a person.

    I think religious programming that is based on a low view of the individual had something to do with this. And people who for whatever reason have low self esteem will use the tenets of those religions to justify their negative feedback loop.

    I know I did. Thankfully this blog and its emphasis not on technique but the over arching psychological/social issues that surround male/female attraction has righted the direction of this ship towards a loftier destination.

    Its funny because I can look at myself objectively and laugh at my physical flaws now. It seems the women never notice the things I notice. So I basically stopped listening to that inner voice, whatever it was that reinforced negative opinions of myself. Not talking about valid criticisms here but rather how one frames himself.

    Oh and this is truly wisdom i learned here. Reframe. Reject. Ridicule.

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  22. Ugly dudes have to convince the world they shit roses and my god do they have plenty of practice.

    In other news CH your first banner was better. This one seems like you had some twlight fan on deviantART design it. 🙂

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  23. Looks are a bonus, but not needed by any stretch. In my Army days I was in a unit with these two ugly as hell dudes. Both were E-5’s in Ft. Ord, CA. So it’s not like they had money or status as a crutch.

    One guy was about 5’11, skinny as hell, had giant crooked buck teeth, and a big mole on the end of his nose. Couple that with a GI high and tight hairdo and he was a mess. BUT he had tight game and supreme self confidence. Of course the bars us GI’s hit didn’t have many 9’s or 10’s, but he could bag the best of the lot (average 7-8’s) on any given night.

    The other guy was this short little frog looking bastard. He always had hot pieces of ass crawling after him catering to his needs. I could never figure him out because he never went out with us, so I never saw him in action. He was pretty aloof though, and he also spoke French (he was from a Canadian family I believe). Anyways, he probably played some sort of European lover game BS on those girls is all I could figure.

    Then there was my roommate. He looked like Adonis. Had a six pack, was tall, blond/blue eyes, the whole bit. But he was a goofy loser with women. He ended up dating a overweight chick who was HIV+ believe it or not. He was risking his life for a fatso he was so desperate for female attention.

    So yeah, I’d take tight game over good looks any day. The biggest handicap from being ugly is in your own self confidence. If you have that taken care of it’s almost a non issue.

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  24. “Take home lesson: If you’re an ugly man, you can influence women to perceive you as more physically attractive than you are by projecting the confident demeanor of an attractive man. A low status man can influence female perception by projecting the attitude and body language of a high status man.”

    And if you are a physically attractive man with game, you’ll kill…

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  25. “Best evidence for this point – inter-racial relationships. Much more common to see a white woman and black man than the reverse. Why?”

    BM give off some strong-ass pheromones.

    “Men’s looks, in contrast, provide a more muted stimulation of women’s desire — less visceral and more aesthetic compared to the hungering stimulation female beauty causes men to feel”

    Not if those men have some strong-ass pheromones. Ordinarily, good looking men, lets say Brad Pitt in his 20s with long hair, inspire the type of slow burning romantic feelings that you are talking about. But an Idri Elba? Hot dayum. We just wanna f*ck his brains out.

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    • (Alpha) black males don’t have it as good in some Arab countries, or South America. Probably because the average betaness of the locals is not as staggeringly high as in our lands.

      Black males only fill a void, it’s all the white pussified men’s fault if that void is so visible.

      It’s not about pheromones, the white sluts who pursue (alpha) black males dig the swagger and the hypothetical big black dick. Both are proxies for male power and alphaness, which are terribly lacking in white boys.

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    • Pheromones are for fruit flies. Human’s are visual (men) and social creatures (women). And you’ve never been in the same room as Idri, so what are you smoking?
      Also, again, there’s this psuedo-rapey idea that women, who aren’t as visually stimulated as men, and who’s clitoris is outside the vagina, are somehow super-lustfully attracted to an extra-inch or two, which I take as teenage-ish male projection (or gay lifestyle projection). The reality is that BM have the testosterone to be attracted to ugly bitches, the way WM and presumably AM were, only when they were teens and in their 20’s.
      To back this up, I was going to note Halle Berry dating Gabriel Aubry and Olivier Martinez, and I found this list of hawt-ish black women choosing white guys. See, WM of value go for looks, not an available hole, the list:
      -Keisha Sharp and Swedish music producer Bradford Sharp
      -Dennette Jackson and Jon B.
      -Zoe Saldana and husband Keith Britton
      -Debra Wilson and fiance’ Cilff Skelton
      -Eve the rapper and Shane Powers
      -Tatyana Ali and wealthy Italian fiance’
      -Werner Klemperer and wife, actress Kim Hamilton
      -Billionaire Peter Norton (Norton Anti-Virus) and black wife Eileen Norton
      -Legendary Punk Rocker Iggy Pop and wife Nina Alu
      – Billionaire Vladimir Doronin and fiance’ Naomi Campbell
      -Kelly Rowland and wealthy Italian fiance’ of 2 yrs
      -Olympian Mary Wineberg and Husband (her Coach)
      -Model Alec Wek and Riccardo Sala
      -Canadian Singer Fefe Dobson and husband Michael Seater
      -Kim Wayans and husband Kevin Knotts
      -Shane Lynch (formerly of pop group Boyzone) and wife Sheena White
      -Zoe Kravitz and fiance’ Ben Foster
      -Mark Ecko and beautiful wife Allison Ecko
      -Chris Noth and Tara Wilson
      -Carlos and Deborah Santana
      -Iman and David Bowie
      -Paula Patton and husband Robin Thicke
      -Matt Stone (Creator of South Park) and wife Angela Parker
      -Model Denise Vasi and Noah Tepperberg
      -Virginie Silla & husband Luc Besson French Producer-Director and Movie Mogul
      -Oluchi (Nigerian Model) and husband Luca Orlandi (Fashion Designer)
      -Diamond Dallas Page (Pro Wrestler & Wrestling Manager) and girlfriend Angela
      -Stephanie Steward (African-American Journalist) & husband, Stefan Lust (German Comedian)
      -Wolfgang Puck (Celebrity Chef) and wife, Gelila Assefa
      -Venus Williams (Tennis Pro) and fiance’ Hank Kuehne (Ex-Golfer)
      -Tina Frimpong and Brad Ellertson
      -Dawn Simpson (daughter of BET’s Donnie Simpson) and fiance, Dan Falls (Real Estate Developer)
      – Justin Chambers (From Grey’s Anatomy’s) and wife Keisha Chambers
      -Mildred and Richard Loving (1st legal interracial couple in america)
      -Alison Stewart (former MTV News reporter and MSNBC anchor) and Bill Wolff (VP, MSNBC)
      -Tamala M. Edwards (former ABC White House correspondent) and Rocco -Lugrine (Philadelphia pastry chef and tycoon business owner)
      -Daniel and Marianne Pearl
      -Count Ferdinand and Countess Mary Von Hapsburg of Austria
      -Shantanella and husband McSerch (Detroit Radio Show Co-host and former rapper)
      -The Prince Maximilian of Liechtenstein and black wife Princess Angela Brown
      -Robert DeNiro and wife Grace Hightower
      -Angela McGlowan and John Venners
      -Chuck Tiller (Houston talk radio host KNTH 1070 AM) and Wife Mary
      -J.J. Murray (author) and wife Amy Renee Murray
      -Thandie Newton and Ol Parker
      -Erica Dunlap (Miss. America 2004) and Brian Kleinschmidt
      -Lydia Carlston (Model) and Mats Carlston (Global Finance Practice Group Leader and Partner of Nixon, Peabody International Law Firm)
      -Alicia Marie and John Rocker
      -Nicole Narain (Playboy Playmate) and on and off boyfriend Colin Farrell (Actor)
      -Remy Shand (singer) and his wife Maiko Watson
      -Kira Arne & Tom Verica
      -Billionaire George Lucas and Mellody Hobson
      -Claire Hope-Ashitey (star of “Children of Men”) and Jo Charlesworth
      -Gloria Jones & Marc Bolan (70s British Rock Star)
      -Bruce Sudano & Donna Summer
      -Tanya and Ivan Sergei (Actor)
      -Barbara & Boris Becker (Tennis Pro)
      -Roger Ebert & Chaz Ebert
      -Kerry Washington & Efraim Grimberg
      -Heather Hedley & sexy Brian Musso (New York Jets)
      -Garcelle Beauvais-Nilon & Mike Nilon back together
      -Debra Wilson & husband Cliff Skelton
      -Aisha Tyler & Jeff Fietjens
      -Alfre Woodward & Roderick Spencer
      -Former Defense Secy William Cohen and Janet Langhart Cohen
      -Crystal & Paul Wall (Rapper and CEO)
      -Eunice & Sebastian Deisler (German Football Star)
      -Tamyra Gray (American Idol Finalist) & Sam Watters (Songwriter & Producer)
      -Sherry Bronfman (ex-wife of Edgar Bronfman Jr.–Seagram Liquor Heir)
      -Leslie Uggams & Graham Pratt (Australian Businessman)
      -Alexandre Rockwell & Karyn Parsons
      -“Downtown” Julie Brown & Martin Schuermann
      -Tina Turner & Erwin Bach
      -Lois & Ronald Betts ( Founder and Chairman of the Chelsea Piers AND lead owner of the Texas -Ranger Baseball team with partner Pres. George W Bush)
      -Stone Phillips (TV Anchorman) & Debra Phillips
      -Michaelle Jean (Canada’s Governor General) and Jean-Daniel Lafond
      -Shari Belafonte & Sam Behrens (Actor)
      -Mark Bamford & Suzanne Kay (Both are Screenwriters)
      -Katherine Dunham & John Pratt
      -Alice Walker & Mel Levantahl
      -Ron Perlman, Opal Stone & Kids
      -Elizabeth Roxas-Dobrish (former Alvin Ailey Dancer) & Robert Dobrish (Matrimonial Lawyer to the -Stars)
      -Kiely Williams from Cheetah Girls and tycoon husband Jonathan Rotem
      -Janet Jackson and Wissam AlMana

      So, yeah, you have some black athletes and Seal/Klum, but the contravening evidence tends to suggest that white is tight, or, ahem, some urban white flight.

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  26. on November 22, 2011 at 12:48 am PUA Guru Married to a 3?

    “I’ve never seen a good-looking guy married to _meh_woman. Come to think of it, I can’t recall an instance where I’ve ever said, “What the hell is he doing with her?”

    “CH is right, they are usual very close in attractiveness or if the man is very attractive, the woman is even more attractive.”

    Well PUA guru David DeAngelo just got married.

    How does his wife rate?

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  27. on November 22, 2011 at 1:20 am Too Smart To Fail

    As CH stated, Good-looking guys tend to date woman much better looking.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,340869,00.html

    The best marriages are those where women marry men who are less attractive than themselves, research has found.

    Psychologists who studied newlyweds found men who were better-looking than their wives were more likely to be unhappy and have negative feelings about their marriage.

    In couples where the wife is more attractive, both partners tended to be very content.

    The research, published in the Journal of Family Psychology, suggests that, in evolutionary terms, women are less choosy about their man’s looks as long as he is able to help them reproduce.

    Men, however, are programmed to choose a mate who is most likely to pass on their genes and look for youth, health and physical attractiveness.

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  28. on November 22, 2011 at 1:26 am A♠ [The Ace of Spades]

    Maxim #67 hit me like a punch in the throat as, last year, a woman I knew in college looked me up on Facebook. As we caught up, she made sure to mention how all the girls in our crowd thought I was incredibly attractive.

    At first, I thought she was just being nice. But then more women from college and, eventually high school, started writing and saying basically the same thing.

    Of course, all I could think of was how they’d shot me down when I’d made passes at a few of them.

    I naturally believe that they looked me up since their standards and needs have changed and they recall me being a very physically attractive Beta.

    Thanks to this site, a few other resources and a great deal of work – I’m not Beta anymore, much to their disappointment.

    Post reconnections, I ended up banging the one I’d wanted most in college because she was still pretty hot. And married. And, most of all:

    Because I could.

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  29. My daily field activities support this post.

    Woman are EMOTIONALLY driven, and a man that can trigger positive emotions in her (gina tingles, laughter etc) and sometimes negative emotions (insecurities, for example) through communication will build enough ATTRACTION value in her mind that is associated with the man, and this ‘perception’ will render the man “good looking”, or whatever adjective du jour the woman decides to use. Likewise this also explains why super good looking men can betafy themselves and blow themselves out of a possible lay opportunity, regardless of model/movie star DNA.

    I recently did my own social experiment. A friend of mine is a professional photographer and he took several hundred shots for me in his studio. I picked the best dozen, put them on my phone. For about a month I was actively approaching women (friends, fuck buddies, exes that hate me, exes that like me, other guys GFs, lots of strangers, drunk chics, older women, younger women etc.)

    I would show them the pictures in my phone (this was also a great opening or attraction building routine) and preface that I’m looking to have some printed and wanted their opinion. Now depending on my relationship with the woman and how she “felt” about me, drove the overall comments regarding the ‘hottness’ or ‘attractiveness’ of her perception.

    For example, if I opened a total stranger with this and didn’t have a good rapport built with attraction routines, the results of their comments were always marginally less complimentary than if I had built some rapport with them, then showed the pics. This also held true across the board for any pre-existing relationships.

    Further, when using online dating sites with the same pictures, if I made a negative remark about the women in an email, it would be met by a nasty attack on my appearance. In contrast if there was positive rapport built, I’d be met with very nice things said about my pictures.

    The SMV of all of the women surveyed varied from 6s to 9s. I also found that the better looking women were more kind in general.

    Now contrast this with men:
    “She’s a total [idiot,bitch,cunt,airhead,brokeass,boring dud,etc] but she’s hot and I’d still fuck her.”

    Another observation, look at the popular PUAs: These are very average looking men, they just now how to ninja the hind brain attraction, they’ve got GAME.

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  30. on November 22, 2011 at 3:34 am The Real Vince

    Does anyone else see the “good looking = excellent social conditioning” hypothesis as problematic. If being good looking means learning the ways of social interaction, then people respond primarily to looks.

    From what I’ve seen, physically attractive men who do not do so well with women either have religious hangups or they’re just not aggressive enough, which confirms a standard Game criticism: a lot of it is a numbers game; you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. Women complain about cute guys who never make a move. Now that’s obviously related to confidence, but it’s not difficult to do well within one’s social circle. Just hafta know how money you are.

    One not infrequent comment I see over and over again is the holy importance of body language accompanied with an explanation like, “we could see long before we could speak. Body language speaks volumes.” Well, being tall and good looking signals all kinds of things — health, access to food, ability to protect and provide.

    The stories about knowing someone in college who was a toothless, one-eyed midget and never without arm candy is purely anecdotal. It’s also all the more memorable precisely because it’s so uncommon: it’s our nature to remember the hits and forget the misses, which is why cold-reading works and morons who scratch lottery tickets claim they’ve made a profit.

    5’5″ guys need to become billionaires or Russian dictators. Actually accomplish something. Good luck with that.

    Go for low-hanging fruit. Before bothering to memorize/fabricate a “DHV” or methods of “qualification,” a lot of men would do better if they just wore lifts, worked out, and kept their mouths shut.

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  31. “But an Idri Elba? Hot dayum. We just wanna f*ck his brains out.”

    Once you go black, we don’t want you back.

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  32. OKCupid did a survey on this. Men rated 50% of women ugly and 50% of women pretty. Women rated 80% of men ugly and 20% attractive. All based just on the profile picture.

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  33. “nonsense. a wealthy ugly man can get a trophy wife that more than makes up for his own low attractiveness. this has been happening for centuries. wealthy men dont have ugly kids, no matter how ugly they themselves actually are.”

    Only if he’s seriously rich(as in, a billionaire). I know a millionaire and he has to hire escorts for his pool parties – average-looking escorts at that.

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  34. To all those people saying “my good-looking friend, the beta…”, consider that such-and-such isn’t as attractive as you think he is. Satoshi Kanazawa, the evolutionary psychologist, claims that research shows there aren’t nearly as many objectively physically attractive men as there are women(since masculine good looks don’t really aid you in a patriarchal environment, they were only slightly selected for for most of human history). As a result, men’s ideas of a “good-looking man” tend to be pretty low.

    How many men have you met that are as a attractive as Brad Pitt? Most of us can’t say we’ve ever met such a guy. On the other hand, how many of us have met women as beautiful as Scarlett Johansson? Most men can claim they’ve met at least a few, and the serious sargers can claim they’ve met more than a few.

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    • ‘…there aren’t nearly as many objectively physically attractive men as there are women(since masculine good looks don’t really aid you in a patriarchal environment, they were only slightly selected for for most of human history).’

      this makes no sense. even if male looks aren’t selected for, females’ are, and those women would bestow such to their progeny of both sexes. it’s like intelligence in a woman-not selected for, but passed on as an accidental byproduct so to speak.

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  35. Thanks Lank!

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    • Beat me to it! It’s posts like these …

      If you’re an ugly man, you can influence women to perceive you as more physically attractive than you are by projecting the confident demeanor of an attractive man. A low status man can influence female perception by projecting the attitude and body language of a high status man. This is the crux of game.

      … that make me wish there were extended clips of that old SNL skit available to reference. The O’Brien clip is up there only to show an early cameo before he got famous. Not that the skit was gangbusters funny, but it comports almost exactly to this oft-cited “crux of game.”

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    • And not completely related, but funny, JKL’s “Handsome Men’s Club”:

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  36. Looks.

    Assets.

    Game.

    Have two.

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  37. This post is 100% win.

    Every girl I’ve had in love with me considered me handsome. They compared me favourably with Brad Pitt and Clark Gable in looks. Absolute craziness, I’m nowhere near that good looking.

    And yes, as time passed they considered me increasingly good looking.

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  38. You white guys have some very entertaining excuses for why white women are attracted to black males:

    “they’re ugly”

    “they’re sluts”

    “they’re fat…”

    How many of your mothers had sex with a black men before you were born?

    Its got to be a high percentage

    [Heartiste: I don’t have a problem with people dating who they want to date, however, I have observed a clear pattern among the white women-black men couples — with few exceptions (and the exceptions are notable), most of the women are fat, gross and inbred looking. A case could be made these dregs of white womanhood are settling for what they can gat.]

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    • on November 22, 2011 at 12:23 pm Obviously low status

      If they did then the evidence is long gone and staying gone, for very good reasons.

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    • on November 22, 2011 at 2:21 pm Obstinance Works

      My perception is that in general, black men have greater SMV than black women and that black men are less impressed with white men dating black girls instead of white girls.

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      • Actually, the white-guy, black-girl dynamic throws them for a fucking kite-loop, based on what I read. And really, how could it not? Imagine that, all that pyscho beta-drama (relying on assumed dick-size superiority as a type of game (like Mike Tysons’ rapey rant about Palin dating black guys) ) world-view gets destroyed by one of their own going against that bed-rock assumption.

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      • All you pheromone and Mandingo fan boyz, check out:
        http://justlikemecouples.blogspot.com/

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  39. […] Women’s Shifting Perceptions Of Male Looks (heartiste.wordpress.com) […]

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  40. “A case could be made these dregs of white womanhood are settling for what they can gat.]”

    So your mothers are the “dregs of whitewomanhood?”

    What does that make you then?

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  41. on November 22, 2011 at 12:12 pm SomeoneWhoDisagrees

    Sorry for constantly bringing my sad stories here, but in my experience, acting confident doesn’t lead to women liking me more, but rather leads them to challenge my confidence by testing whether I actually have anything to be confident of.

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    • SomeOneWhoDisagrees,

      I can’t think of a nice way to say this so I am just going to say it.

      Then you are doing it wrong.

      No offense is intended, but we women can sniff out a man faking confidence from 50 yards away. That is why you are getting challenged.

      [Heartiste: The fact that these women are challenging him should give him some hope. It means there’s something to work with. Complete indifference would mean he has no chance at all.]

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      • Heartiste, that is an excellent point and one I did not think of. Indifference would be game over. The challenges are shit tests. You likely exude enough confidence to pull them in, but they want to see how much you truly have. Do you have the confidence to not put up with their crap? I would say that this means that some of these women are drawn to you and if you can game them and pass these tests you will be in.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 2:12 pm SomeoneWhoDisagrees

        Okay, so fake confidence doesn’t cut it.
        But apparently neither does real confidence? I have few things that I feel confident about, but I do have those things. So in situation when I acted that way and, obviously, in situations were I used the confidence in particular areas of my life to build up into overall confidence, women went for my weak spots – my ugliness, my low status etc. I can’t really counter that with anything and if I try to neg them in return, they just act all insulted and bad stuff happens.

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      • No, real confidence will do it. Heartiste made an excellent point. I think because of your looks you might be being pushed more, but if you can over come these shit tests you will do well. Basically, you have an extra hurdle, but one that can absolutely be overcome. I would say you next have to learn to beat the shit tests. And try to expand the things you have confidence about. Maybe grow the things that you are currently good at and/or add other things in.

        As far as the negs and them acting all insulted, I wish I could help you more with that. If you give me an example I might be able to. I know some of the men here would be able to help more.

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      • “No, real confidence will do it.”

        Fake confidence will do it too. And it’s easier to achieve. To have real confidence you need to actually do something that gives you this confidence. And this usually means a lot of work.

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      • “Okay, so fake confidence doesn’t cut it.”

        Yes it does. Game is fake confidence. You just need to be a good actor. And for that, you shouldn’t feel guilty to be a liar. I always had problems with lying but since I’m reading this blog it couldn’t be easier for me to lie. In the past, I couldn’t lie, I’d feel I’m a bad person if I did. Now I lie easily and my only worry is whether my lies are too transparent and not whether it’s morally wrong to be a liar. I’m not sure if this is your problem, too, but in case it is, I promise you that your life will get much better when you will be able to lie freely without feeling guilty.

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      • You can’t lie away your pancake brown nipples, Mayacita. Leave the dissembling to the fellows.

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      • ?

        i never said that i can do that. (thank god i don’t need to … for now).

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      • You’ve always lied easily.

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      • Stop being a whiny tit, SomeoneWhoDisagreesAndCries. If the mopeyness you convey here is anything close to what you convey in public, no layered-on confidence makeup, no bullet point omega-to-alpha program, is going to conceal your callow attitude. Stop giving so much of a shit.

        If a girl has A cups, she can slouch over and curl into a ball of shame and avoid eye contact. Or she can stuff her bra and hope her date doesn’t steal second base on her.

        Or she can stand tall with what she has, will her liability into an asset, and dare the world to contradict her.

        The dare is the alpha attitude, not this crusade against your inventory of liabilities you are constantly sniffling about. You are like a goth chick who cuts herself because her dad barked at her once when she was 10.

        You want to hear from us, “You can do it, Johnny! Don’t let ’em get you down, son!” as if we are your personal self-esteem coaches helping you lie your way to healing. Your liberation from mopeyness does not come from Morning Mirror Affirmations or running away from your disadvantages. It comes from embracing your flaws and featuring them like an almighty fuck-you to the culture of dishonesty.

        Everyone has relative advantages and disadvantages. The difference is how much we obsess over them, and how much we allow social observers to define the extent of the disadvantage. You should have learned this just by surviving high school: subverters thrive by isolating the flaws of others to distract the world from their own. When you own your flaws, you control their power over the rest of you, including your genuine advantages.

        Don’t you know anyone who has mastered their disadvantages? Or is your entire social ambit populated by omegas?

        “I can’t really counter that with anything and if I try to neg them in return, they just act all blahblahblubbrr … bad stuff happens … blbbbahbahbhh…”

        Preempt their focus by co-opting their critique, and thereby demonstrate your mastery over your flaws. And your “negs” are worthless inert nags, way too unsubtle and obvious, if women brush them aside to shift the frame back on you. Like Stingray says above, girls smell your quaking pubescent armpit fear clear through the cloud of Axe body spray. Purge the anxiety, boy bulimic. The technique follows the attitude.

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      • on November 22, 2011 at 7:01 pm SomeoneWhoDisagrees

        I guess I’m just stupid and unimaginative then. I can’t really think of any way to “master” flaws that are fundamental and don’t have a positive flipside. I’ve been positive about my ugliness, my disfiguration (and before you go jumping to conclusions, it’s an actual disfiguration, not just a case of “I don’t want to admit I’m a fatass”) and the physical weakness that comes with it. “You can be a wiseass all you want, you’re still an ugly loser” – what does one do when presented with lines like that?

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      • “Her : You can be a wiseass all you want, you’re still an ugly loser

        You: And still, you cannot resist me”

        Stop whining and up your game. I wish girls would throw me easy shit tests like that.

        If you’re deformed, consider plastic surgery. Target ugly girls, don’t come as a wiseass, come as a smart confident man who don’t give a fuck about what others think. STOP WHINING. DO SOMETHING. OR FUCK OFF!

        Your understanding of game is flawed. If you’re still trying the lame pickup lines with a shit-eating smile, you’re doing it wrong. Being ugly means that you have to compensate by being a badass.

        Everything has been said to help your ass. Either you acknowledge the help that you received and try to work on it, or you can keep whining, only to confirm my suspicions that you’re a troll.

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      • Being “stupid and unimaginative” is a much bigger drawback than your hatchet face.

        You really need an alpha mentor if you want to be serious about this. There is only so much you will get from websites and love seminars. If you’ve never seen these situations handled deftly, you will continue shuffling along with your slope-backed, debilitating cynicism. Our advice from the comboxes can’t defeat your kryptonite self-hatred.

        “‘You can be a wiseass all you want, you’re still an ugly loser’ – what does one do when presented with lines like that?”

        What you do at that point is damage control, because your ship of game has already taken on way too much water. The idea is to anticipate and reduce the possibility of creating such life-or-death situations rather than expecting some magical deus ex machina to deliver you from your wretched preparation and attitude.

        You reduce the likelihood of encountering insurmountable shit tests by demonstrably mastering lesser ones, which you elicit by design. The first shit test to overcome is the one you insist on giving yourself, over and over again, no matter how many of us tell you to knock it the fuck off.

        Why are you punching yourself in the face? It’s positively masochistic.

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      • but how to fake it? how many people are capable of such sustained self-delusion, if not sheer grandiosity? ‘screw ’em if they can’t take a joke’? not many, i assure you.

        just the thought of rejection on the scale the average guy faces just fills me with dread. not for nothing am i glad to be a woman. my oldest, an ob/gyn, has his confidence perpetually withered by rejection, however competent as he is in helping that same demographic with their medical issues. sometimes i wonder if on some subconscious level, he pursued that field thinking that if he knew everything about their plumbing, he’d have better insight into what made them tick. if so he’s bound to be disappointed.

        what an uphill battle it is to be a man. never appreciated that fact until my boys were teens. i’m going to e-mail your comment to him. maybe it’ll do some good.

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      • It is not “delusion” or “grandiosity.” It is provocative honesty.

        If your confidence is “withered by rejection,” you’re doing it wrong. You are investing entirely too much of your soul in some insecure airhead ditz’s stupid, inconstant, and superficial opinion, which is essentially dictated by the perception of her own DLV status for talking to an outwardly low-SMV man in public, especially in front of her personal friends. Once you know the real dynamic (write yourself a red pill scrip already, Dr. Downer), it really isn’t rocket science how to proceed.

        The point is, deception and concealment of flaws** is much harder to pull off than being brutally honest and up-front. In that way, the mopey guy’s deformation is an advantage — he can’t conceal it, he is forced to deal with it before advancing past square one.

        Your woman’s perspective, carolyn — especially as a mother regarding her own son! — is very illuminating here. Your female default-attitude is silently contributing to your son’s own beta/omega frame. You presume a man’s only way to deal with disadvantages is to delude himself and others about them. The character and extent of his flaws are not as important as one’s mastery of his flaws, and lying is tricky business. If he obsesses over them, his identity is constitutive of his weakness. If he places them in their proper perspective, his identity projects strength. Guess which vibe women are preternaturally attracted to?

        Which is why, having never met this fellow, one can see what his problem is. The nature of his disadvantage pales into irrelevance against his towering insecurity about that disadvantage.

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      • ** The early-stage “fake it till you make it” methodology of game still makes me queasy, but I understand it can be the best route for some, and it’s better than moping. It makes more sense for a guy to spend that energy on actual improvement rather than fakery, but to each his own. I can’t attest to the value of deception. I’d suspect women have finely tuned bullshit detectors for guys flat out misrepresenting the sources of their confidence. I won’t argue with PUA testimony, though.

        There is a fine line. Liars are pathetic and faintly needy creatures, shifty, low, greasy salesmen who give off a distinct odor. Whereas comprehensive con men are world-beating panty-removers. Women don’t object to game, but they want the honor of being gamed well. Women will unconsciously assent to being taken on a whirlwind of lies for the sheer thrill of the adventure, as long as they are good lies.

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      • Good point, there was a post a few months back about a guy who just shut up. He stopped being “that adorable rom-com guy, who joked about his shortcomings, and other adorable failings.” Instead of harping on his shortcomings, he just shut up. That was enough. Maybe he wasn’t standing contrasteppo but he still increased his smv.
        So, if false confidence is a problem, start with “stop sabotaging yourself.”

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      • “stop sabotaging yourself”

        This is one of the most important things a non-alpha needs to understand, and do. When just starting out, don’t worry about trying to be alpha, work on not being beta. If most AFC could just eliminate the three worst things they do (tip: ask a better-aware friend), they would see immediate improvement.

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      • “stop sabotaging yourself”

        No truer words ever spoken. Humourous, nice-guy, self-deprecation was my tactic many years ago to get through High School, but beyond that it was overall detrimental to my life–personal, social and work relationships and self esteem.

        Once you drop the self-sabotage thoughts and behaviours things really do change for the better, maybe slowly, but you build on the progress as your confidence and outlook get better.

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  42. Good post.

    “A man running tight game *will* be perceived as better looking by women.”

    That’s very true. Guys with game can look weird or even ugly but I see them as hot and cute. I try to force myself to think objectively and make lists of what’s wrong with their looks because I’ve read somewhere that it’s better to sleep with symmetrical men (they make you more happy in bed). What do you guys think about this? I always fall in love with men who are objectively ugly or weird. Is this okay?

    “NEVER will she seem more beautiful than when he FIRST laid eyes on her. That initial blast of lust is impossible to duplicate.”

    Makes sense. Could also be an argument for finding a husband when you are twenty (=most beautiful) … or not? I’m thinking whether I should try to find a husband among guys I already know because they saw me in my high-SMV times and were therefore more attracted to me than any man in the present or future could be? I can’t generate much lust in men anymore so I guess this would be a smart thing to do?

    “It found good-looking men were able to convey their confidence and attractiveness in their written self-description – and that women volunteers were able to recognize their beauty without being shown the lonely heart’s accompanying photograph.”

    That’s interesting. Could this be true for women too? Some guys here write comments like “you write like an ugly woman” or “you write like a fat woman” …
    How do they know that?!

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  43. A Bronx groom hurled himself into the Harlem River over the weekend — just hours after exchanging marriage vows with his longtime love.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/groom_doom_after_wedding_V3PE5nRrMyOd3mjw3C8qfM

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  44. “How many of your mothers had sex with a black men before you were born?

    Its got to be a high percentage”

    I doubt it. Unless the black man is professionally sucessful, most don’t seem to be attractive to white women, even despite what the media says. IN fact, in my personal experience, white women are remarkably willing to admit they don’t want a black man.

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    • “Unless the black man is professionally successful, most don’t seem to be attractive to white women”

      Women are attracted to any guy with game. His race nor hers matters. It’s call hypergamy.

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  45. MarkoPolo
    Yes, I call this the “white man hamster.” If they can keep lying to themselves that black guys ONLY date ugly, fat white women, they can make themselves feel much better about their own betatude.

    Thank you MP

    I suspect the majority of the white males reading this site have moms that fucked black males; so once again I ask the question: are/were all your mothers fat ugly trailer trash?

    In addition, if you are a blk male and you have any kind of prolonged interaction with a hot white women, EVERYBODY thinks you are fucking her anyway, even if you aren’t.

    Some white girls use this as a form of “white girl game” to filter out white betas and make sure they are only approached to white alphas who have something equal or greater than “the black thing” to offer them.

    Yeah, they are using you, but you get to fuck her friends, and even her eventually.

    You ever wonder why that Nazi wet dream who walks into the bar makes a bee line for the biggest, blackest Leon Spinks nigger in the bar?

    She got game.

    Many of you white guy don’t know, or don’t want to know what white girls do when you ain’t around. When I was 12, my best friends sister tried to seduce me. I didn’t know what she was doing at the time, but I do now, She was a senior in high school.

    To sum up, there is a difference between inter racial couples you see, and the “secret” sexual intercourse between white women and black males. My theory goes like this:

    White girls, and pretty much all girls are taught that sexual intercourse is “dirty, bad, naughty…” so in their minds, the dirtier, badder, naughtier, the sex act, the better the orgasm; so because white men made interracial sex such a taboo, it must be something to be desired?

    Exhibit “A”

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    • Whatever gets you through the day. I was shocked at how long the list of black women with options taking the urban white flight path. You’re so awesome, yet the hottest black women seem to be on the pale-low (and I wonder how many unreported cases there are of “the biggest, blackest Leon Spinks nigger” being on the down-low.).

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    • I’ve always found it amusing that so many black men have a burning obsession with wanting to believe that more white women sleep with them ‘on the down low’ than anyone knows. These have got to be the same guys paying for the black on white cuckold porn. Nice fantasy, but it’s not reality. The big dick myth is only a plus to loose, fat whores, and it’s only a myth anyway.

      All of the white women I’ve been with flatly stated they had absolutely no attraction to black guys. But hey don’t let that get you down. There’s always dating within your race.

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    • thwack

      You ever wonder why that Nazi wet dream who walks into the bar makes a bee line for the biggest, blackest Leon Spinks nigger in the bar?

      She’s his parole officer?

      Damn, nigga – you make us glad
      Biggie Smalls is one
      dead muthufucka

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      • roflcopter

        My eyes went into a permanent roll after happening upon this pearl:

        “I suspect the majority of the white males reading this site have moms that fucked black males…”

        What?

        I know it’s hard to get out of the ghetto, Daquan, but there is a world beyond your culture’s skankified mom-whore 70% bastardy rates. We white people live somewhere in the great beyond, outside of Precious: Based on the Novel Push by Sapphire.

        “Right! Sure your mothers haven’t been fucked up and down by an NBA team!” Project much, thwack? What kind of chocolate-loving cum dumpster did you have for a mother?

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    • Do you often get visitors to your fantasy world?

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    • thwack,

      a bit OT …

      “White girls, and pretty much all girls are taught that sexual intercourse is “dirty, bad, naughty…” so in their minds, the dirtier, badder, naughtier, the sex act, the better the orgasm …”

      This is not correct. Now we are taught that we should have as much sex as possible including ONS if we want to (take a look at average women’s magazine if you don’t believe me). We are constantly reminded how much fun it is to have sex.

      I’m not sure why in the past they were teaching girls that sex is dirty and bad.
      Probably because they wanted them to remain “pure” before marriage and also because sex really is dirty and disgusting if it’s not with the right man.

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      • I dunno, I feel I was told both of those things simultaneously. One side saying sex is dirty, another saying I should have it with everyone. But the last one was the stronger message (still didn’t do it though).

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  46. “Although — and this cannot be stressed enough — NEVER will she seem more beautiful than when he FIRST laid eyes on her.”

    So untrue. Many times women, especially from other races, to which your eye is not accustomed to, start looking better over time.

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  47. Anonymous

    IN fact, in my personal experience, white women are remarkably willing to admit they don’t want a black man.

    Don’t want a black man for what?

    I remind you of the subtitle of this website:

    “Where pretty lies perish”

    Have you considered the fact that they are telling you what you want to hear?

    7 years after my brother married a white woman, he told me that when he first met her and asked her out. she said; “I don’t date black guys”.

    I wanted to slap that snow bitch when he told me that. It wasn’t until I came to this site that I realized it was nothing more than a huge shit test.

    See what I mean? White girls have game too. She made him work to get her by pretending to be a racist; BTW- isn’t there some “maxim” about women meaning the exact opposite of what they say?

    How dare you try to validate your position based on a females testimony.

    (((shakin my head)))

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    • yes, in the black man’s world it’s racist for the women to not want to fuck him and the men to not want to give him free money. must be nice to be in such a psychological cocoon.

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    • I wanted to slap that snow bitch when he told me that. It wasn’t until I came to this site that I realized it was nothing more than a huge shit test.

      True, sadly. All it takes is one wasted night at the bar and the first bass-throated baboon to come along sweeps them off their feet, not that they use them much.

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  48. “reflects a neural rewiring of a woman’s brain circuitry”

    Yep, which is why even brain imaging does not produce “objective” information.

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  49. “How dare you try to validate your position based on a females testimony.

    (((shakin my head)))”

    Well, that is a good point, however, anecdotally and statistically it doesn’t seem like many women at all date black men. Less than 2 percent of white women marry black men…

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    • While this passionate race war is fun to watch.. lets stick to logic shall we?

      marriage rates<cohabitation<girlfriend<dating<fucking<sucking

      I distinctly remember lots of race mixing hookups going on at my college and while it might not be that way in every part of the country, it sure was like that out west.

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  50. “In addition, if you are a blk male and you have any kind of prolonged interaction with a hot white women, EVERYBODY thinks you are fucking her anyway, even if you aren’t.”

    I dont think this at all, and I doubt most people do either.

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  51. “Have you considered the fact that they are telling you what you want to hear?”

    No, since modern American women will rarely lie to spare a guy’s feelings.

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  52. on November 23, 2011 at 5:33 am A♠ [Ace of Spades]

    An exchange I had with a woman this evening I felt relevant:

    Her: A woman is compelled to color her hair, make up her face, lotion her feet and elbows, perfume herself with the newest fragrance, wear the latest fashions, exfoliate and epilate and lose weight, ever and always. When she does not, she will pay in social standing.

    I: So, if I’m understanding you, your complaint is that society shuns you when you don’t take the best possible care of yourself? That sounds like a benefit to me.

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  53. thwack
    in my personal experience, white women are remarkably willing to admit they don’t want a black man.

    Don’t want a black man for what?

    Your personality?

    Slow yer roll, Letalvis.

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  54. I dunno why, but I’ve had the distinct feeling that there is a certain percentage of women, who are looking for a relationship, who want a man who is exhibiting more beta qualities; I.e. they don’t want an overly confident man as it would be less likely that she could rope him in, dominate him and use him like a doormat. I’ve noticed this especially amongst women in their 30’s.

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  55. Anyone else notice how the white women ain’t sayin nothin?

    Ive noticed the pattern on this site and others. When the topic turns to race, specifically the nexus of race and sex and white women, the white women, who are most qualified to comment, don’t say anything?

    Normally you guys hafta tell them to shut up and butt out?

    No attention whoring here…

    Thats game; they aint talkin cause they are too busy watching that white man hamster spin full retard.

    Its just as entertaining for them as it is for you.

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    • on November 24, 2011 at 4:44 pm OMGOMGOMGLIKEZOMG

      They’re busy propping up the retail sector. Sluts don’t boast except to other sluts.

      So which special government department are you from then, oh so omnipotent minority?

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  56. Thwack’s black hamster is furiously spinning as fast it can on CP time. Host just posted a link about White guy Rocker with an admittedly hot black chick with a banging body.
    So, yet another example of white urban flight, a sister on the pale low.
    So, again, there’s this psuedo-rapey idea that women, who aren’t as visually stimulated as men, and who’s clitoris is outside the vagina, are somehow super-lustfully attracted to an extra-inch or two thwack seems to think he has, which I take as gay lifestyle projection on to hetero relationships. The reality is that BM have the testosterone to be attracted to ugly bitches, the way WM and were, only when they were teens and in their 20′s. So, yeah, you’ll pursue girls who’ve hit the walls, and they love it. Otherwise, your creepy idea about sex preference is probably why so many brothers be raping white women up in here, cause you think that they have to want it.
    Anyway the list:
    Halle Berry dating Gabriel Aubry and Olivier Martinez,
    -Keisha Sharp and Swedish music producer Bradford Sharp
    -Dennette Jackson and Jon B.
    -Zoe Saldana and husband Keith Britton
    -Debra Wilson and fiance’ Cilff Skelton
    -Eve the rapper and Shane Powers
    -Tatyana Ali and wealthy Italian fiance’
    -Werner Klemperer and wife, actress Kim Hamilton
    -Billionaire Peter Norton (Norton Anti-Virus) and black wife Eileen Norton
    -Legendary Punk Rocker Iggy Pop and wife Nina Alu
    – Billionaire Vladimir Doronin and fiance’ Naomi Campbell
    -Kelly Rowland and wealthy Italian fiance’ of 2 yrs
    -Olympian Mary Wineberg and Husband (her Coach)
    -Model Alec Wek and Riccardo Sala
    -Canadian Singer Fefe Dobson and husband Michael Seater
    -Kim Wayans and husband Kevin Knotts
    -Shane Lynch (formerly of pop group Boyzone) and wife Sheena White
    -Zoe Kravitz and fiance’ Ben Foster
    -Mark Ecko and beautiful wife Allison Ecko
    -Chris Noth and Tara Wilson
    -Carlos and Deborah Santana
    -Iman and David Bowie
    -Paula Patton and husband Robin Thicke
    -Matt Stone (Creator of South Park) and wife Angela Parker
    -Model Denise Vasi and Noah Tepperberg
    -Virginie Silla & husband Luc Besson French Producer-Director and Movie Mogul
    -Oluchi (Nigerian Model) and husband Luca Orlandi (Fashion Designer)
    -Diamond Dallas Page (Pro Wrestler & Wrestling Manager) and girlfriend Angela
    -Stephanie Steward (African-American Journalist) & husband, Stefan Lust (German Comedian)
    -Wolfgang Puck (Celebrity Chef) and wife, Gelila Assefa
    -Venus Williams (Tennis Pro) and fiance’ Hank Kuehne (Ex-Golfer)
    -Tina Frimpong and Brad Ellertson
    -Dawn Simpson (daughter of BET’s Donnie Simpson) and fiance, Dan Falls (Real Estate Developer)
    – Justin Chambers (From Grey’s Anatomy’s) and wife Keisha Chambers
    -Mildred and Richard Loving (1st legal interracial couple in america)
    -Alison Stewart (former MTV News reporter and MSNBC anchor) and Bill Wolff (VP, MSNBC)
    -Tamala M. Edwards (former ABC White House correspondent) and Rocco -Lugrine (Philadelphia pastry chef and tycoon business owner)
    -Daniel and Marianne Pearl
    -Count Ferdinand and Countess Mary Von Hapsburg of Austria
    -Shantanella and husband McSerch (Detroit Radio Show Co-host and former rapper)
    -The Prince Maximilian of Liechtenstein and black wife Princess Angela Brown
    -Robert DeNiro and wife Grace Hightower
    -Angela McGlowan and John Venners
    -Chuck Tiller (Houston talk radio host KNTH 1070 AM) and Wife Mary
    -J.J. Murray (author) and wife Amy Renee Murray
    -Thandie Newton and Ol Parker
    -Erica Dunlap (Miss. America 2004) and Brian Kleinschmidt
    -Lydia Carlston (Model) and Mats Carlston (Global Finance Practice Group Leader and Partner of Nixon, Peabody International Law Firm)
    -Alicia Marie and John Rocker
    -Nicole Narain (Playboy Playmate) and on and off boyfriend Colin Farrell (Actor)
    -Remy Shand (singer) and his wife Maiko Watson
    -Kira Arne & Tom Verica
    -Billionaire George Lucas and Mellody Hobson
    -Claire Hope-Ashitey (star of “Children of Men”) and Jo Charlesworth
    -Gloria Jones & Marc Bolan (70s British Rock Star)
    -Bruce Sudano & Donna Summer
    -Tanya and Ivan Sergei (Actor)
    -Barbara & Boris Becker (Tennis Pro)
    -Roger Ebert & Chaz Ebert
    -Kerry Washington & Efraim Grimberg
    -Heather Hedley & sexy Brian Musso (New York Jets)
    -Garcelle Beauvais-Nilon & Mike Nilon back together
    -Debra Wilson & husband Cliff Skelton
    -Aisha Tyler & Jeff Fietjens
    -Alfre Woodward & Roderick Spencer
    -Former Defense Secy William Cohen and Janet Langhart Cohen
    -Crystal & Paul Wall (Rapper and CEO)
    -Eunice & Sebastian Deisler (German Football Star)
    -Tamyra Gray (American Idol Finalist) & Sam Watters (Songwriter & Producer)
    -Sherry Bronfman (ex-wife of Edgar Bronfman Jr.–Seagram Liquor Heir)
    -Leslie Uggams & Graham Pratt (Australian Businessman)
    -Alexandre Rockwell & Karyn Parsons
    -”Downtown” Julie Brown & Martin Schuermann
    -Tina Turner & Erwin Bach
    -Lois & Ronald Betts ( Founder and Chairman of the Chelsea Piers AND lead owner of the Texas -Ranger Baseball team with partner Pres. George W Bush)
    -Stone Phillips (TV Anchorman) & Debra Phillips
    -Michaelle Jean (Canada’s Governor General) and Jean-Daniel Lafond
    -Shari Belafonte & Sam Behrens (Actor)
    -Mark Bamford & Suzanne Kay (Both are Screenwriters)
    -Katherine Dunham & John Pratt
    -Alice Walker & Mel Levantahl
    -Ron Perlman, Opal Stone & Kids
    -Elizabeth Roxas-Dobrish (former Alvin Ailey Dancer) & Robert Dobrish (Matrimonial Lawyer to the -Stars)
    -Kiely Williams from Cheetah Girls and tycoon husband Jonathan Rotem
    -Janet Jackson and Wissam AlMana

    So, yeah, you have some black athletes and Seal/Klum, but the contravening evidence tends to suggest that white is tight, or, ahem, some urban white flight.

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  57. Aint nothin “shifting”. For guys, game will always trump looks;

    exhibit A:

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  58. There is no “white man hamster” in this case. In case yu haven’t noticed, but there aren’t many women commenters at this blog.

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  59. This must be linked with another phenomenon, how women are happy to make their LTR male slothful. Packing on the pounds on the beau makes it harder for him to escape.

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  60. lmao @ how black men think they are attractive.

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  61. You guys are getting trolled so damn hard.

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  62. This is a very interesting discussion. You have a web site were white males tear down white women as:

    stupid

    silly

    ignorant

    childish

    cock carousel riding whores…

    but they don’t have sex with black males because of their “values”, morals…?

    WTF?

    And at the same time, the ones that do are the “dregs of white womanhood?”

    Now,

    No white male has answered this question yet, so I will ask it again:

    How many of your mothers have had sexual intercourse with a black male at some point in their lives?

    *now watch them lab rats spin*

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    • Dude – do you have OCD or something, since it is already three threads late and you cannot stop beating this topic to death.

      You’re usually a pretty decent guy thwack, but you come across as rather insecure with your obsession on the subject of miscegenation – and White ‘wymmynz’ in general.

      Look, a lot of us here are against interracial relationships – but that doesn’t mean we are against Black folks – and I’m sorry for the genuinely hateful types who needlessly and gratuitously insult you or other Afro-Americans when they voice their disapproval of mixed couples.

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    • How many of your mothers have had sexual intercourse with a black male at some point in their lives?

      voluntarily?

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  63. Who FIRST brought race into this discussion?

    Exactly.

    White people.

    Then when nonwhite people counter race, ya’ll start cryin for yo momma.

    Well Boo fuckin hoo.

    Look, there are plenty of forums where you can tear nonwhite people down, but if you do it on this one, you gonna get checked.

    Why?

    Cause I don’t wait for pretty lies to perish; I slaughter them with their own swords.

    All you racists are running on fumes now. Your time is over. I suggest you engage in some useful work or constructive activity…

    Non white people are done being your punching bag. Everytime you swing and miss, Im sending you through another plate glass window.

    Head first.

    It aint irony

    it aint alpha…

    Thats justice.

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    • And White people, especially White men, are no longer going to be non-White folks punching bags either.

      Speaking of ‘racism’ – your oozing it – it’s a classic case of projection (but as a Black male – you think you’re somehow ‘entitled’ to be racist against Whites, correct thwack…?)

      Seriously as well, cut out the ‘Internet Tough Guy™’ bs – since you come across as a real dweeb

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  64. All you racists are running on fumes now.

    He who smelt it, dealt it.

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  65. Anonymous

    Seriously as well, cut out the ‘Internet Tough Guy™’ bs – since you come across as a real dweeb

    Dweeb=SWPL

    Next thing you know you’ll be telling me to stop the “shenanigans”

    (((shakin my head)))

    Listen up pink face, its all fun and games when you slammin black people right?

    Well now Its game over

    If you can’t take it, stop dishing it out.

    You have a choice,

    Either continue to attack black people for having color,

    or

    go watch a john Wayne/Rambo/Rocky movie so you can feel good pumped up on a bunch of lies.

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