Proof Of The Modern American Harem

Back in this post I tantalizingly wrote that the female predilection for having sex with a small cohort of alpha males was proven by the rates of venereal disease transmission.

Twice as many women as men have genital herpes. This could only happen if a smaller group of infected men is giving the gift of their infectious love to a larger group of women. Looks like female hypergamy is conclusively proved.

Some commenters, though, remained unconvinced. Well, there’s more proof of the universal law of female hypergamy, the sexual cornucopia of alpha males, and the near-celibate aridity of beta males. Did you think I was finished after busting one nut?

Exhibit A: 80% of women and only 40% of men reproduced in human history.

Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

If you were a man living 4,000 years ago and you knew that you only had a 40% shot at sweet sexual release with the women of your tribe, would you tend toward short-sightedness or have the temperament of someone with a well-developed future time orientation? Would you put more emphasis on learning how to swing a club or mastering the multiplication tables? Compare and contrast with today’s geographic distribution of sociosexual norms.

But maybe things have changed?, some of you will argue. Yes, I believe these ratios have changed with the advent of Christianity, the nuclear family, and Western civilization in general. How much the 80-40 ratio was altered by the preeminence of the rising West is subject to debate, but there’s no doubt that strong patriarchal norms and a social and religious proscription against infidelity and hoarding of women contributed to the increased sexual access of beta males. If I had to guess, I’d say at the high water mark of the kingdom of beta (1950s America? Victorian England?) 90+% of men had nominally exclusive low risk sexual access to unmarried, childless women during the women’s prime fertile years.

But that was then. As this blog has claimed for the past three years, there is change in the wind. The future is the past. The constraints on female, and to a lesser extent male, sexual choice are lifting and the hindbrain is reasserting itself, waving its banner of bloody tooth and claw as it crests over the hilltop. The pendulum is swinging back. The 80-40 ratio may yet return to claim its rightful throne.

That is, unless the reconstructed monogamous Mormoms and Orthodox outbreed the seculars and morlocks. It’ll be a demographic cage match between zealots and orcs as SWPLs haughtily congratulate themselves until there is no one left to admire their virtuous posturing. Fun for the whole family! Kinda makes the latest iPod release seem trivial by comparison.

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Exhibit B: The rise of the “hook-up” culture among teen and college-age women may be a leading indicator of a forceful female hypergamy reshaping the sexual market, (or responding to it).

Abstract: “Hooking-up” – engaging in no-strings-attached sexual behaviors with uncommitted partners – has become a norm on college campuses, and raises the potential for disease, unintended pregnancy, and physical and psychological trauma. The primacy of sex in the evolutionary process suggests that predictions derived from evolutionary theory may be a useful first step toward understanding these contemporary behaviors. This study assessed the hook-up behaviors and attitudes of 507 college students. As predicted by behavioral-evolutionary theory: men were more comfortable than women with all types of sexual behaviors; women correctly attributed higher comfort levels to men, but overestimated men’s actual comfort levels; and men correctly attributed lower comfort levels to women, but still overestimated women’s actual comfort levels. Both genders attributed higher comfort levels to same-gendered others, reinforcing a pluralistic ignorance effect that might contribute to the high frequency of hook-up behaviors in spite of the low comfort levels reported and suggesting that hooking up may be a modern form of intrasexual competition between females for potential mates. […]

Popular media coverage may be sensationalistic, and undoubtedly influences attitudes and sexual behavior in adolescents and young adults. However, the hook-up phenomenon is not merely a creation of the media; rather, the media seems to be reflecting an actual shift in behavior. Such casual sexual experiences among college students are by no means a product of the 21st century; “one-night stands” and “casual sex” have been studied without the current “hook-up” context (Boswell and Spade, 1996; Cates, 1991; Maticka-Tyndale, 1991). However, the high prevalence of these behaviors, coupled with an openness to display and discuss them, appears to be recent, particularly with respect to women (see Reitman, 2006).

Now why would women be quick to believe that other women are more comfortable with hooking up than they actually are (pluralistic ignorance)? The study authors suggest evolution has primed humans to embrace pluralistic ignorance when the sexual marketplace changes and it is in the interest of the individual to do so.

We expect that because human psychological processes are the product of evolution, the capacity and tendency to exhibit pluralistic ignorance – particularly with respect to sexual/reproductive behavior – must reflect the evolved best interest of individuals, and thus be predictable on the basis of evolutionary theory and sexual selection. […]

Several predictions follow from these evolutionary sex differences. First, men are predicted to be more comfortable than women with all hook-up behaviors. Second, each gender is predicted to know the gender-specific strategy of the opposite gender. […] Third, individuals of each gender are predicted to know the gender-specific strategy of their own gender. […]

[M]odern Western women live in cultures in which there are simultaneously large differentials in male resources and status, and imposed marital monogamy, the combination of which is expected to provoke intrasexual competition among females for potential mates (Gaulin and Boster, 1990). Engaging in uncommitted sex may be one form of female-female competition. If this is so, we would predict that women attribute to other women comfort levels that are higher than they, themselves, feel; this would generate PI that would heighten women’s awareness of potential threats from female competitors and may motivate women to engage in competition.

Fascinating. Women are slutting it up because they fear competition from other women taking their men. This is another confirmation of my analysis of modern society: as the sexual revolution freed women and men to act on their desires outside of a marital framework, women’s sexuality became their primary, in fact their only, bargaining chip to secure attention and commitment from attractive (read: alpha) men.

And what about the male side of the equation? Well, it’s not betas this hookup culture is benefiting. At least, not while the women are young and at their hottest. Women don’t fight intrasexually for the gift of tepid beta spooge. They’re fighting for the choice cuts of meat. If the structurally numerous betas were getting pursued by women, then the market would reach saturation and there would be few unhitched women to compete against each other; but because women prefer dating up into the arms of de facto harem leaders, the female-to-female competition rages at a heated pitch.

Now it should be noted that a few upper betas may ride the hookup wave to more sex than they would’ve gotten in a less licentious culture, but for the most part it’s alphas that are enjoying the bounty of free pussy. This is why game has come at JUST THE RIGHT TIME in our culture’s hedonistic careen — it’s allowed men to fully capitalize on an already emergent trend toward hooking up with dominant, flashy alphas. In another time, game would’ve served the function of strengthening relationships instead of fostering hookups.

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Exhibit C: Our currently operational sexual market is influencing women to prefer short term hookups favoring alpha male harem builders over long term commitments favoring beta male nest builders.

Short-term sexual appeal largely rested on targets’ attractiveness, particularly among women with an unrestricted sociosexual orientation. Dating appeal was dependent on attractiveness, particularly among unrestricted women, and on ambition. Ambition and attractiveness synergistically influenced targets’ long-term desirability, and these preferences were not moderated by women’s sociosexual orientation.

The take home point: as cultural and biological constraints have lifted, women are giving more weight to their preference for short term hookups with bold, dominant alpha males. (The women would probably prefer long term relationships with these alphas, but if they are given free rein to choose between a flighty alpha and a commited beta, the alpha wins more often than not. That is, until the woman is past her peak and losing sexual leverage by the day.)

You’ll note a common theme in all the above studies: women’s sexuality is wilder and more dangerous than men’s, and absent social shaming and other similarly restricting mechanisms designed to encourage “acceptable” (i.e. civilization enhancing) sexual behavior, women will quickly revert to their more primitive 80-40 norm.

The $4.7 trillion dollar debt question: Is a reversion to the 80-40 norm inevitable? And, even more discomfiting, does the modern welfare state guarantee a return of the 80-40 norm as a sort of “cleaning house” that will purge the overpopulating dregs and filth and help continue human evolutionary progress as our one true god, the Lord DNA, intended?

We lament the betas, but we wouldn’t be the humans we are today if those 60% of bygone male rejects tossed to the icy wastelands in unrelenting pain and misery had instead gone on to enjoy sex and love in the bosoms of wonderful women who bore them children. Had our sympathies been retroactively indulged, we might still today be digging in the dirt for tubers and termites instead of arguing about the oppressive patriarchy.

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Commenters sometimes complain I don’t bring the science to back up my personal observations, honed as they are by a very keen eye, a finger on the pulse of cultural trends, and an empathic understanding of human psychology. If you want a steady stream of backing science, feel free to open an institute in the Chateau’s name and hack away. Meantime, I’ll be skipping the lab work and enjoying myself with the best pleasures of life. You can sleep easy that about 80% of my observations are eventually corroborated by scientific evidence.





Comments


  1. Cool story, bro.

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  2. None of this is surprising in any way, if you consider humans in the “natural” state, where we largely evolved.

    My feeling is that sexual selection and mating patterns determine much of human social order.

    I hypothesize that civilization and law developed partly to spread the male alliance-forming mechanism for tension reduction. As populations increase, it behooves males to reduce the potential violence between them within their group, by guaranteeing more reliable access to females and reproduction.

    Of course, the hot girls still went to the alphas. But the less hot girls could be made available to the other males, … which might be enough to keep them economically producing for the alphas and not forming alliances to unseat them.

    And the example of a class of omegas serves to keep these betas in line, too.

    Of course, from the female perspective, this is a disaster: They’re forced to accept the males that they would otherwise reject.

    So perhaps female hypergamy actively works to demolish the (developed) institutions that disperse sexual access for males. IE, civilization: Laws, equality of individuals, property and acquired social status.

    – It might be why women favor group-think, and males prefer individual think.

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  3. Interesting.

    That’s why it is so important to each more men game…especially nice betas who will settle down with a nice girl eventually. You’re doing good work here.

    Not every girl wants to be an alpha pump and dump.

    There do exist loyal chicks that would cherish a provider.

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  4. on July 27, 2010 at 1:34 pm Goldman Sax

    Butthex!

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  5. We are definitely cursed to live in interesting times….

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  6. on July 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I’ve recently been doing a lot of reading in this area. A friend who works in dynamical systems and networks put me on to the fact that the distribution of sexual partners follows a power-law dependence i.e. most people have few partners but a few alphas and sluts have a ton of sex. If you assume the distribution of sexual desirability is Gaussian but women only bang men that are a certain level above them, you get this same behavior.

    Our results are consistent with
    the preferential-attachment mechanism of
    scale-free networks: evidently, in sexual contact networks, as in other scale-free
    networks, ‘the rich get richer’.

    The Web of Human Sexual Contacts
    Nature, Vol 411, 21 June 2001

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  7. Dream Puppy: doubtful. Women get bored easily and there are a lot more options available to them. Without consequences.

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  8. Also, keep in mind that the less desirable males back then generally still had the option of rape, if they could find an unprotected female. Without rape as a repro/sex strategy for them, I suspect these numbers would be even more skewed.

    And, no, I’m not advocating rape. Just pointing out that the 80/40 split probably understates the female hypergamic impulse.

    I also suspect the numbers would have been even more skewed if females didn’t need male child rearing support and protection (as they generally don’t now).

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  9. That is, unless the reconstructed monogamous Mormoms and Orthodox outbreed the seculars and morlocks.

    I once went to an Amish market and saw a perfect 10 blondie working the meats counter. Is it a sin to try to sneak a downbluse on an eine amische Mädchen?

    the 80-40 norm as a sort of “cleaning house” that will purge the overpopulating dregs and filth and help continue human evolutionary progress

    See, that’s the problem. If hypergamy woudl in fact progress evolution along toward the good and the beautiful, I’d be all for it. Unfortunately, welfare/plentiness-driven hypergamy is evolutionarily regressive because it favors the fugly.

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  10. on July 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm gunslingergregi

    Harem of woman selected by you that are the best woman you have fucked and have passed tests given by you and that love you and put their little hearts and souls into winning their way into the harem.

    Yea I am thinking that is the best that life has to offer a man.

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  11. on July 27, 2010 at 1:46 pm The Specimen

    waving its banner of bloody tooth and claw as it crests over the hilltop.

    Damn man, where do you come up with this stuff? I’m dying over here.

    I think a part of the equation you left out is the fact that a lot of cats want 9’s and 10’s when they really only rate a 5 or a 6; ergo the “nice guy” who swears up and down that women don’t like him, but really means that the women he likes don’t like him. The effect is that a lot of these guys are limiting their own access, and their pool is getting squeezed from both ends. That being said, I only want to bang hot chicks. Let the others hump the toadstools.

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  12. on July 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm greatbooksformen

    lozozlzozozlzozzlzozlzozl

    butthex!!!

    hey roissy you like wirte a professional article for the atalnatic scientific american every day. all you fuckers had better appreicate orissy’s talents and devotion to y’all fucktards.

    hey roissy you should set up your won wordpress blog and sell ads alongside your words and get like 5 book deals lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzl. though thanks too for doing it 4 free like jesus and socrates while teh fed wires lotsa beranke cash to woemnz to try and take you down lzozlzlzo byut they epic fail lzozlzlzl as bernake cash is useless aginats truth lzozlzlzlzl

    the funny thing is when people say that 80/40 is thenorm lozlzozlzlzlzlz

    well a lot of oteh rthings are “natural” too.

    the funny thing is that womenz want allteh benefits of society and law and civilization

    and they want to fuck like primates lzozlzlzlzozlzlz

    game is all about recognizing that when chix are fucking and sucking in a massive manner than all the traditional romatnic bullshit is also fucked in teh ass but for the betaist of the betas issts lzozllzlzlzlzlzlz who is tooo stupid and blind 2 see the splooge driping of her chin lzozlzlzlzlzllz

    now in a larger way one must ask.

    “Why the decline?”

    “whey the desecration and debauchery?”

    and that it ieasy to see .

    the fed needed more control over the producers of wealth–men, and so it reprogammed tehir women and deosuled them and taught them to fuck and suck and fuck and suck and take it in the ass in ssecrteiv tapings of asscocking sessions in college and then legislate against men lzozlzozl to seize their assets so now women asget asscocked in coolege and then asscock men in divorce court and by selling them subprime bernanek loans in short skirts lzozlozlzlzlzlz

    goldman sax and teh fed have profited immensele s society and culture and the currency and soul and women were debauched and dessecrated. the neoencs clap their hands in glee as they take us on back to a primal, lawless state ruled not by the classical jdueo shcritain heritage, honor, valor, words, principles, promises, and duty, but by gina tingles lzozlzozlzlzlzozlz.

    and so it is that the neocons publish promote profit off of and repeat the lies about their short secretive tapers of butthex without teh gilrths conthent as that is the fed’s true hero–not the soldiers bleeding to death on the forgein shores in teh fed’s foreign wrs whoe get a couple of grand of berae cash for dying, while thsoe whose names rhmeye with goldamn sax get hundreds of thousands. lzozllz

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  13. on July 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^

    and so it is that the neocons publish promote profit off of and repeat the lies about their short secretive tapers of butthex without teh gilrths conthent as that is the fed’s true hero–not the soldiers bleeding to death on the forgein shores in teh fed’s foreign wrs whoe get a couple of grand of berae cash for dying, while thsoe whose names rhmeye with goldamn sax get hundreds of thousands FOR SECRETIVE TPAINGS OF BUTTHEX WITHOUT TEH GIRLTHS CONTHENT whichthe fed must promote and teh enoeoncs as tehy detsory the family–freddom’s fundamantal building block according to g.hk. chesterton lzozllzlz. lzozllz

    this is teh hollywood producer of trading places:

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  14. on July 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm Miles Anderson

    “The $4.7 trillion dollar debt question: Is a reversion to the 80-40 norm inevitable? And, even more discomfiting, does the modern welfare state guarantee a return of the 80-40 norm as a sort of “cleaning house” that will purge the overpopulating dregs and filth and help continue human evolutionary progress as our one true god, the Lord DNA, intended?”

    I think you miss part of the evolutionary model where reproduction really tries to protect its current position and repair mutation. Evolution is a period of stagnation with jumps.

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  15. on July 27, 2010 at 1:58 pm gunslingergregi

    gbfm

    I’ll drop 10 g’s on him if I work again he he he

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  16. @TheTruth

    Correct. But slut shaming still exists. Women’s biological imperative is to reproduce- and in order to raise the best children we need a provider to help us. Sexual options do not matter when one wants to marry.

    Most women come around, but due to our wretched culture, they come around too late. Hopefully game can help make providers a little bit more attractive to the average 25 year old, so she doesn’t wait until she’s been used up and hung up to dry for 10 years by alphas who will move on.

    Feminism be damned, you see this repeated over and over again in so many NYT columns: 45 year old woman thinks it’s her right to find a husband and have children after years of slutting it up and “refusing to settle.” She’s shocked (SHOCKED!) when she fails.

    As men are learning game, women should also learn to be smart and make rational decisions that will benefit them in the future.

    A big part of ignoring the tingle is to realize you’re a dime a dozen piece of ass. Better to do what is best for you than rely on the attention of someone who is not interested in you long term.

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  17. on July 27, 2010 at 2:00 pm bitter beta

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    ‘We lament the betas, but we wouldn’t be the humans we are today if those 60% of bygone male rejects tossed to the icy wastelands in unrelenting pain and misery had instead gone on to enjoy sex and love in the bosoms of wonderful women who bore them children. Had our sympathies been retroactively indulged, we might still today be digging in the dirt for tubers and termites instead of arguing about the oppressive patriarchy.’

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    I believe that the problem of allowing betas to reproduce more often can be cured by science, which will inexorably lead to transhumanist remedies for this “degeneration” problem. Unfortunately, the only way science can progress further along this path is if we sustain a culture that rewards scientific enterprise, which is beta-dominated. So ironically, the human species may end up becoming more degenerate by only granting sexual access to the most reproductively fit (alphas).

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  18. So Christian Puritanicalism was a good thing after all. Saving society and shit. Getting Beta a wifey, so he would work and not wreck shit.

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  19. Teaching Betas game will not work for long. Once everyone knows game, we will all be on an even playing field, and good looks will trump.

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  20. “That is, unless the reconstructed monogamous Mormoms and Orthodox outbreed the seculars and morlocks.”

    My money’s on the Mormons and Orthodox. The alphas among you who say, “Abort my baby.” or “I won’t support my baby.” are guarantee-ing that alpha genes go the same way as DC lawyer bitch genes go–nowhere. The future belongs to those who can multiply in both senses of the word.

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  21. I saw a young Alpha while I was grocery shopping yesterday. I live in a pretty small midwestern town, so there aren’t a ton of these guys, but this guy was young, in great shape, tan, and good looking. The girl hanging all over him was pretty plain from what I could see, though, she did look like she might clean up decently. What struck me was how this girl was lifting up his shirt to expose his abs, and basically treating him like a Greek God. You could tell her tingles were in overdrive.

    Anyways, the way this girl was treating this guy made me think that if good looking girls will slut it up for alphas what in the world will average to slightly above average looking girls do for these guys?? I’m guessing the girl I saw pretty much has no limits on what she would do to keep him.

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  22. Dream Puppy what you said is logical. And women are far from logical. Society now is their enabled. Thanks feminisim and sexual revolution.

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  23. I’d say at the high water mark of the kingdom of beta (1950s America? Victorian England?) 90+% of men had nominally exclusive low risk sexual access to unmarried, childless women during the women’s prime fertile years.

    Prostitution was endemic in Victorian England, any alpha or beta with money could get sex, and with it a free dose of the clap or worse. Probably more wives had VD in Victorian England than today, and they didn’t necessarily get it from slutting around.

    How does prostitution fit into your example? As the world’s oldest profession, it must have been around even in the Stone Age. I appreciate that prostitutes are less likely to get pregnant. Firstly, because they would have been at greater risk of venereal disease, which often causes infertility (the Scandinavians have a saying “no grass grows where many people walk”). Secondly, because they had a greater incentive to resort to abortion. But quite a few of them must have got pregnant, and not necessarily by alphas. I appreciate that there were forms of contraception around even in the Stone Age, but their effectiveness would have been somewhat limited.

    Also, in relation to your final conclusion, that human progress has been assisted by female hypergamy, I’m not so sure about this. Being attractive to women does not necessarily mean that one is inventive or inclined to develop skills that benefit humanity. It doesn’t indicate one isn’t, either, I just think that the two things are entirely unconnected.

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  24. Harems are a fact.

    If women only want to mate with Orlando Bloom, “The Situation” and and Hell’s Angels

    eventually

    we get a nightmarish retirement in a future society – like current black America – where only Alpha thugs harem-ize and impregnate dozens of women.

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  25. My money’s on the Mormons and Orthodox.

    So is mine. Morlock numbers are a bubble, inflated by first world’s machiavellian charity. Unsustainable.

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  26. on July 27, 2010 at 2:08 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Anyone who likes empirical, scientifically sound research studies about 90% of Roissy’s propositions, look no further than the work of Martie Haselton:

    http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers.html

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  27. on July 27, 2010 at 2:09 pm greatbooksformen

    HEY YOU FUCKERS!!!!!!!

    YOU’RE MISSING SOMETHING HUGE!!!

    Who is the true beta:

    1) the thug criminal or the
    2) nerd with a pocket protector

    in the absence of civilization the thug criminal will win

    but in the context of civilization, created by men who the fed would label betas, the pocket protector men are the alphas.

    and when you look aorund now, our whole society is about taking the fruits created by the nerds the negiineeers teh ahrdworking men of character and giving them all to the thugs, including the so-called betas rightful women, which the fed ass cocks in prima conoctae ass cocking sessions, while also taxing the nerd and innovator and inventor and transferring all of his wealth to teh thug which the fed funds lzozlzozllzlzlzlzlz

    see the fed profits in a massive manne via wealth transfer, as they create nothing but debt.

    and by tranferring teh hard working man’s wife and womenz and rightful proprty to the thugslut class, the fed profits via decline and debauchery in a massive manner lzozlzlzlzozozo

    see what it is is taht honor intgerity tergength morality valor were once upon a time alpha rriats thorughtout all histroy

    but as the fed must inverts reality by labeling debt welath they also invert norality and hire neocon womenz to promote secretievtapers of bitthex as the true alphas lzozlzlz

    SO ALLYOU BETAS WHO ARE HARD WORKING AND GOOD AND KIND AND HAVE HRACTER ARE ALPHAS in the CONTEXT OF THE CIVILIZATION YOU BUILT AN YOUR ANCESTORSBUILT LZOZLZLZLLZLZ

    all the betas who are incapable of abstratc ideals and civilization the neocns promote as alphas as they detsory civilizatyion lzozlzlzllzlzozozlzllzlzlzlzlz

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  28. “Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.”

    This evidence shows there is nothing new going on, not that the Modern American Harem has anything to do with cultural trends.

    “The $4.7 trillion dollar debt question: Is a reversion to the 80-40 norm inevitable? And, even more discomfiting, does the modern welfare state guarantee a return of the 80-40 norm as a sort of “cleaning house” that will purge the overpopulating dregs and filth and help continue human evolutionary progress as our one true god, the Lord DNA, intended?”

    What reversion, dude?

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  29. Roissy and all–

    One question I have about this DNA finding that twice as many of our ancestors were women than men, which is translated into only 40% of men getting to screw enough on average to leave ancestors, is this:

    How far back do these DNA markers go? Are we talking about the last 100 or 50k years, when homo sapiens sapiens emerged with a more developed toolkit and probably modern levels of language complexity, almost. And human culture. Or does it reach back 2.3 million years to Lucy, one of our earliest hominid ancestors that can be distinguished from monkeys and apes.

    This makes a whole lot of difference. We know that all monkeys and apes other than bonobos (who are promiscuous as all hell, both sexes) are highly polygamous, with one male doing the vast majority of the impregnating in his band, during his prime that is. The point is that if the DNA markers are reaching back to the early hominid period, they may not really reflect pre agricultural hunter gather mating patterns very well.

    I have no doubt regardless that we have more female than male ancestors, and that more girls got layed on the regular thorough homo sapiens sapiens history than males. Just not sure of the degree of the difference.

    But anyway this is a real question, not a rhetorical one. I’d like to know the answer. I’ve done a bit of googling on it, but nada so far.

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  30. “suggesting that hooking up may be a modern form of intrasexual competition between females for potential mates. […]”

    Or perhaps just the inevitable result of extended adolescence in our society. The girls know that the guys won’t be marrying soon, and they themselves want to establish careers before marrying. Yet, while everuone is putting off marriage and commitment, everyone’s genitalia still works just like it did in the Plioscene. That alone leads people to having sex.

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  31. Harems are the fact

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  32. comment in moderation.

    How far back these DNA markers go, in example A, is actually really important. To what extent are these DNA markers reflecting human’s hominid past? We know monkeys and apes are highly polygamous, winner male gets all.

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  33. on July 27, 2010 at 2:14 pm greatbooksformen

    one of the reasons the greeks and hebrews did so well was that men had private property in tehir wives, homes, and children.

    for isntance the king couldn’t just come aorund to your home and cum in your fiture wife like the fed kings do today lzozlzlzllzlz duringthe fed-sponosred published promoted hyped asscocking sessions secretively taped butthexing session in college with men who lie about tehir hieght and have their lies repestaed dutufiully in the neocns weekly standadth lzozlzlzl while they igjore teh soldiers bleeding to death in the dfeds foreign wars on foreign shores lzozlzlzl

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  34. @PA

    “Morlock numbers are a bubble, inflated by first world’s machiavellian charity. Unsustainable.”

    Exactly.

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  35. on July 27, 2010 at 2:16 pm greatbooksformen

    bt today you will not own

    your wifes’ virginity
    your children’s minds
    your wife’s soul
    your shcildren’s spirits

    all this is woned by the neocns and ben bernanke

    your wife will be asscocked in colelge while it is secretively taped and your children will be sent to fight and die in the far off wars on rofreign shores all for the geretaer good of a society which has aborted 50,000,000,m0000 of its won unbron whiel letting its women be asscocked and sdeosuled by hundredss of cocks in college lzozlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzl

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  36. @ truth

    Sadly you’re right. I try to talk sense into my single gf’s, now at the peak of their beauty….but alas no one listens. And it is VERY hard to talk about this type of stuff without sounding like a smug nag. So i let up. Fine. Whatever. Leave the nice boys for my younger sisters then. I won’t mind nagging the shit out of them!

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  37. The early Old Testament patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, and all the early kings had harems.

    Multiple wives and concubines. Granted, there is little to no physical evidence that the early patriarchs even existed. But the authors of the Old Testament undoubtedly wrote from a worldview that was considered commonplace thousands of years ago.

    I say bring harems back. It is coming anyway.

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  38. on July 27, 2010 at 2:21 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^^

    dream puppy yah the fed trians young womenz to sex fuck get asscocked by many many many men lzozlzlzllzlz

    morality is not a female invention and teh neocns know this and thus by advancing women’z studies they can detsory morality lzozlzlzllz all thie whiel preending tehy are working “for da owmen” lozlzlzlzlzlzzz by teahcing them how to take lotsa cocka in all teir orifces and kill tehir unvborn, as the preemptive war empowers goldman sax rhyme siwth tucker max bernake rhymes with spank me lsolzozlzlzlzlz

    think of all the billions upon billions transferred to teh neocns in the divorce regime lzozllzzllzlzlzlzl billions upon nillions lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzl and how many more kid sthey got the access to their minds and souls with the father criminalized rmeoved form teh home as they repalced fatherohood iwth the fiat dolalrz lozlzllzlzlzlzl

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  39. on July 27, 2010 at 2:23 pm greatbooksformen

    this is one of th fed’s trianing vidoes teahcing young women how to dress act and fuck many many menz as teh fed needs to get rid of the womenz soul to rtansofrm her into a tranferrer of welath zlzozlzl lzozlzlzllzlzlz

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  40. @GBFM

    “but in the context of civilization, created by men who the fed would label betas, the pocket protector men are the alphas.”

    It scares me when you and I agree. But like I said, the future belongs to those who can multiply ..and read and write and get elected to Congress and make laws and jail and execute those rogue alphas whose “dominant” behavior becomes anti-social. The “meek will inherit the earth” because they will tire of the bad behavior eventually and quietly legislate it out of existence.

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  41. @el cheif

    Teaching betas game will not work forever because once game becomes saturated it will then become, well, beta. Game only works because it is not the norm; not what women are used to. If we ever get to the point where even the lowest betas are using all the tricks of what is currently “game,” I suspect that White Knighting will stand out more than negging and feigned disinterest. And that’s really what game is, right? Standing out and separating yourself from the droves of losers that beautiful women have become numb to in order to generate a tingle.

    That being said, I do not expect this to happen at all, at least in our lifetimes, however.

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  42. So perhaps female hypergamy actively works to demolish the (developed) institutions that disperse sexual access for males. IE, civilization: Laws, equality of individuals, property and acquired social status.

    A woman is at her core a whore, and feels quite rightly that her best interests are
    1) to get the best possible genes for her offspring
    2) to get as much money as possible

    To achieve the 2nd, women require their pussy to be worth as much money as possible. To achieve that they must create a class of sex hungry betas. Supply and demand demands that they don’t fuck betas for free.

    To achieve the 1st interest, women will fuck for free. Even if married.

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  43. @greatbooks

    At least we agree we don’t like neocons? Norman Podhoretz can suck it. Lolzlzlz 2 u.

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  44. Dream puppy

    There do exist loyal chicks that would cherish a provider.

    Perhaps. But if you have that attitude, your chances of finding and keeping one diminish.

    The most pragmatic attitude is that women need constant gaming and that you can never trust them. And to always have options. Never all eggs in one basket. Never trust.

    That attitude will paradoxically and counter intuitively keep the woman more than being cherished as a provider.

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  45. I think the 80-40 statistic cited so frequently on PUA is less the result of female hypergamy, and rather the result of several different different factors:

    1. Male on male competitiion. Men will tend destroy each other, and literally cut off each other’s balls in an attempt to prevent each other from reproducing. Eunuchs/castrati were not that uncommon until fairly recently in the modern era.

    2. Males are more fragile than females, genetically. Many lethal diseases are sex linked, causing many more male infants to die, and thus fail to reproduce later.

    3. Even when not competing directly for females, men to tend to engage in riskier activities, become more injured (and in the pre-modern medicine era, such injuries were often lethal). Thus also taking a hefty percentage of the cohort out of the gene pool.

    All these factors may very well lead to the split percentage cited, without female hypergamy figuring into it at all.

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  46. on July 27, 2010 at 2:32 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””J
    @GBFM

    “but in the context of civilization, created by men who the fed would label betas, the pocket protector men are the alphas.”

    It scares me when you and I agree. But like I said, the future belongs to those who can multiply ..and read and write and get elected to Congress and make laws and jail and execute those rogue alphas whose “dominant” behavior becomes anti-social. The “meek will inherit the earth” because they will tire of the bad behavior eventually and quietly legislate it out of existence.
    ””””””

    I knew there was just something not right about j.

    You can’t legislate against an alpha.

    You can only get a beta fucked.

    That is all.

    This sort of thinking is fucking up average nice guys lives.
    It does not fuck up an alphas life. You can not fuck up an alphas life no matter what the fuck you do.

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  47. @X-splat that is sad! Maybe in the same way that women are drawn to men that treat them like shit, men are drawn to sluts with one lip out the door?

    Or does too much attention given to beautiful girls (who are too dim to rationalize the cause of their attention) make them entitled bitches?

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  48. @ Doug1

    “One question I have about this DNA finding that twice as many of our ancestors were women than men, which is translated into only 40% of men getting to screw enough on average to leave ancestors”

    I share your questions and a few more. Do these numbers take into account male infertility, early death from battles and childhood illness, the fact that slightly fewer males then females are born and that girls are more likely in primitive circumstances (and even today) to survive childhood, the fact that males are more likely to have various physical or psychological defects ?

    If you find more info in your googling please post it. This is an interesting topic.

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  49. on July 27, 2010 at 2:34 pm Professor Woland

    An interesting quesiton in all this is what type of reaction will the betas have. It seems that their one main chip in the game is being providers, even if they might be poor ones at that. In a modern nation state, these betas are converted into tax payers to help support the modern welfare state. Since Alphas might be fun in bed (some alphas are physical specimens while others are high social status types, if they are both then they are uber alphas) but cannot realisticly provide they are dependent on the nanny state to pay for their fun. It will be interesting to see if the betas go Republican and piss on the welfare state. Meanwhile, the sexual libertarian alphas and single mommies to Democratic.

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  50. on July 27, 2010 at 2:36 pm greatbooksformen

    ” J

    @GBFM

    “but in the context of civilization, created by men who the fed would label betas, the pocket protector men are the alphas.”

    It scares me when you and I agree. But like I said, the future belongs to those who can multiply ..and read and write and get elected to Congress and make laws and jail and execute those rogue alphas whose “dominant” behavior becomes anti-social. The “meek will inherit the earth” because they will tire of the bad behavior eventually and quietly legislate it out of existence.”

    HEY YO FUCKS!!!!!!!!!!

    STOP SAYING THAT IT IS MEEK TO PREFER

    HONOR OVER SECRTEIV TPAINGS OF BUTHEX WITHOUT THE GIRLTHS CONTHENT

    LOYALTY OVER SECRTEIV TPAINGS OF BUTHEX WITHOUT THE GIRLTHS CONTHENT

    TRUTH OVER SECRTEIV TPAINGS OF BUTHEX WITHOUT THE GIRLTHS CONTHENT

    BAUTYOVER SECRTEIV TPAINGS OF BUTHEX WITHOUT THE GIRLTHS CONTHENT

    IDEALS OVER SECRTEIV TPAINGS OF BUTHEX WITHOUT THE GIRLTHS CONTHENT

    in all eh greate western litertaure it is not the meek who win by honro valor committment and ideals BUT THE HEROIC.

    now of course the heoric might seem meek as thanme odysseus means born to suffer the one who suffers and frodo and sam might seem meek and neo is just c acubilce worker BUT YOU FUCKTARDS THEIR IDEALS MAKE THEM HEROIC.

    now what the fed is trying to do is eradicate ideals an d honor and integrity and so they cast these traits as beta and tell all the womenze to spurn men who talk of ideals and fuck and suck secretive tapers of butthex which pricisilla painton of sodom and scheister rewards with hundreds of thousands of barernanke dolalrs while teh neocns charlotte allen repeats the lies the dsecrteiev tapers of butthex tell about tehir heigh t all because their name rhyes with godl man sax lzozlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzllz

    bernanke and goldman sax have to rule via fiat and fiat alone and thsu they must get rid of honro integrity teh constitutions zlozlzozlzozlzozlozozlzlzlzlzlz honor truth beuaty a sthey must conceal the crime of counterfieting money and theft via the inflation tax lzozllzlzlz

    and so they try to reproam you to h8 on idealsist aind ideals and look down on them zlozlzlzlzllzlzlz

    they butthex your future wife and fuck and fuck and fuck her until she is loyal to tehm and the fiat doallr fucking inher in teh ass in secrteive taping s of neocn supported asscocking sessiosn and fucking her in eh head i all ther great-books-free soulles debauched classes lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzozlzolz

    and then by and by you begin to think that you are a beat just because you long fro truth beuaty romance lzozlzolzozl instead of an asocked gina tingler drugged up prozac addled catwoman lzozlzlzlzlzl

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  51. Baumeister’s APA paper has been expanded into the book IS THERE ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT MEN? HOW CULTURES FLOURISHED BY EXPLOITING MEN (Oxford UP: 2010):

    http://books.google.com/books?id=02_zQwAACAAJ&source=gbs_ViewAPI

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  52. @exsplat

    “A woman is at her core a whore, and feels quite rightly that her best interests are
    1) to get the best possible genes for her offspring..”

    Not if the guy won’t stick around to support the product of those genes. And I think the notion of the beta cuckold raising the alpha kid is more fear and fantasy than reality. I believe Dalrock’s figures on this.

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  53. @J
    “That is, unless the reconstructed monogamous Mormoms
    and Orthodox outbreed the seculars and morlocks.”

    Unless the Muslims outbreed all the rest. They are more
    ruthless about turning ‘their’ women into baby machines.

    I don’t much care for that kind of Sharia world.

    @Andrew S.

    “I’m guessing the girl I saw pretty much has no limits on
    what she would do to keep him.”

    See “Five easy pieces” starring a very young Jack Nicholson.

    @sdaedalus
    “Being attractive to women does not necessarily mean that one is inventive or inclined to develop skills that benefit humanity. It doesn’t indicate one isn’t, either, I just think that the two things are entirely unconnected.”

    WRONG! When a man is important to support the children,
    the definition of attractiveness is different. Most women,
    like men, are fairly practical. We are now living in
    unusual times, where men have been rendered individually
    almost superfluous as far as supporting children, so women
    can go for raw ONS attractiveness. (DNA at work, ask any
    peacock or bird of paradise, gee, this might produce sons
    who are just as attractive – circular of course, but
    reproductive life is inherently circular.)

    Thor

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  54. My instinct has me feeling that extra male deaths may account for some of the discrepancy; but that such a wide discrepancy can only be due to a large number of mating-age males not breeding.

    It’s possible they’re just killed by other males, though unlikely. I know many males, personally, who have very little sex and don’t mate much at all; I know almost no females for whom this is true.

    Well, except for the fat ones.

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  55. on July 27, 2010 at 2:47 pm greatbooksformen

    betas such as socrates were killed by the mob the netnured alphas ceos laywers

    betas such as jesus went to the cross sensted by alphas ceos pontius pilate who washed his hands bawhile the noecns and the mob and gina tingling woemn freed babarrabbass ras — the murderer

    betas uchas galileo wer eplaced under houe arrest by the alphas of teh day the ceos mbas

    betas such as hayek and mises could fnd no academic postition while the alpha groupthinkers fuckd and fucked away

    betas such as bruno were burned at the stake while the alphas fucked and lied and woemnz sucked and ufkced them

    betas sch as dante wrote in exile, exiled by the alphas lzozlzlzlzlz who fucked the womenz in florence

    betas such as cicero were beheadded why the alphas fucked and fucked

    betas such as st. thomas more wer ebeahded whle the alpha preiests fucked and fucked away lzozlzzozo

    thoroughout history no womn ever stod up for socrates, jesus, fgalileo, bruno, copernicus, dante, as tehy wre happy fucking the alphas

    teh federal reserve bankers relaized this,and thus they funneled billions of fiat dollarz woto women to wage premeptive wars against teh great booksa dn classicals t destory and debauch and desecreate them and kill 50,000,0000 of their own unbor whil speing ing their time instead of reaising children spening tehir time selling subprime loans for ben berane with their mbasand dust-gathering pussies useuless after their 30th birthday but to an ba pervert here a dtehre who doesn’t mind licking dust when going don on clits zlozlzozzll.

    look around my firend.

    opne your eyes, and how can you deny all that tehy have done?

    to teh women the schools culture the dollar the currency and all of the greta books and classics?

    for all you fuckers misseed te joke

    the true heoric alphas

    of all time

    were and are

    socrates jseus moses bruno copernicus icciero more dante et al.

    not rucker max chalrotte allen be bernake andprisilla painton as teh fed would have you believe.

    lozlzlzozlozz

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  56. I’m not sure what you are getting at, Puppy. I’m just saying that women don’t have the same agenda as men. They talk as if they do. But a woman following her best interest and a man following his best interest will very often have competing agendas.

    To keep a woman, you have to learn to think like her. And that’s not a social contract. That’s not a deal. In business, never expect reciprocity because that’s the fair and just and socially expected thing. Even a supplier you’ve been working with for 20 years can go bankrupt and not deliver your goods after you pay, in full expectation of not fulfilling the contract. Women are opportunists, day by day by day.

    If you trust her to be fulfilling a contract, you’ll forget to keep her interested, and trust too much of your money to her control.

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  57. @Thor

    “Unless the Muslims outbreed all the rest. They are more
    ruthless about turning ‘their’ women into baby machines.”

    It could happen.

    “I don’t much care for that kind of Sharia world.”

    Me neither.

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  58. I posted this at another blog:

    The future in America is the good looking vs the well educated.

    Let’s assume women typically seek sexier men for short term relationships. If thats true, most illegitimate kids are born to men with “alpha male” physical traits.

    Kids born to “broken families” (r selected) will be better looking, taller, and more athletic than kids born to nuclear families (K selected), and they will be more numerous.

    It’s been observed two highly intelligent parents are more likely to have autistic children than average parents, implying the modern interpretation of intelligence resides on the autistic spectrum. This means nuclear family kids are more likely suffer social skills deficits common in engineers and computer programmers, which will put them at a disadvantage for many jobs.

    Will a wealthy socially awkward kid win the game of life vs the handsome 6 foot 4 son of a waitress? We’ll see…

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  59. if it ever comes to pass that “everyone” “knows game” we will regress even further and the harems will once again go to the most brutal sonofabitch around

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  60. there’s having game like roosh, and then there’s being built like VK

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  61. J

    @exsplat

    “A woman is at her core a whore, and feels quite rightly that her best interests are
    1) to get the best possible genes for her offspring..”

    Not if the guy won’t stick around to support the product of those genes. And I think the notion of the beta cuckold raising the alpha kid is more fear and fantasy than reality. I believe Dalrock’s figures on this.

    Regardless of which cuckoldry statistic you choose, cuckoldry is a significant factor in breeding. It is not a minor influence. The drive for it therefore must be quite huge, to overcome the huge and obvious disincentives.

    But yes, sure, woman try to get the best genes and the good provider mixed together. Sometimes.

    Both drives are, however, distinct.

    You may not have noticed that?

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  62. I don’t know why we’re so intent on proving this hypergamy reality.

    It’s not like it requires a proof beyond observation. It’s observably true. It can be easily demonstrated.

    What more need be said about it?

    Discussion with friend:

    At a friend’s graduate school, the majority of females have been bedding a tiny number of the males; one male has had relationships with at least 4 schoolmates in the past 6 months, and likely had other dalliances; another male has had 3 relationships in this time, again with classmates. Some males have had none at all. All of these men are 24-29.

    All of the women have had sexual partners (already had one or acquired one), most have had more than one. They tended to have gaps between boyfriends, but were easily able to arrange ONSs when they wanted to with anyone.

    The smaller number of men are servicing the larger number of females.

    She estimated that 40% of the men are getting no action (at school) at all. Another 20% are getting some (limited) action. The top 40% are having most the sex with the school’s females.

    She put a lot of thought into this question. I wonder if a scientific survey would render the same results.

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  63. You missed gay #s; some are as high as 10%. In Black culture its near 20%, on the down low.

    Also, obese/ugly/undesirable females multiply at 2-3x rate of elite.

    If you cut the numbers based on fertile/babes its much closer to 50/50…capital/economic resources trump Alpha plumage/coloring or modern equivalent…

    Doubt it ?….check out who millionaires, celebrities, athletes are dating v. the star QB from High school now in a cubicle or at TGIF happy hour.

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  64. @Ohio Stater

    “Let’s assume women typically seek sexier men for short term relationships. If thats true, most illegitimate kids are born to men with “alpha male” physical traits. Kids born to “broken families” (r selected) will be better looking, taller, and more athletic than kids born to nuclear families (K selected)..”

    Except that current statistics don’t bear that out. The results of current research show that illegitimate kids are quite disadvantaged, not just in terms of IQ, but in general health, poorer upbringing–both materially and spirtually, lack of discipline, etc.

    The morlocks won’t do well unless society really collapses. Then, welcome to the thunderdome (and pardon my mixed metaphors).

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  65. on July 27, 2010 at 3:01 pm greatbooksformen

    hey all you fucks who say that women are natural whore because they want to get the best genes and alll da money lzozlzlzlozozozoz

    and that men jut want to fuck as many womenz as possible.

    lozzllzolzlzlzl

    whgat are w liing in a fucking jungle now?
    i mean if we are going to get rid of honor compassion duty romance love marriage truth and beuaty then let’s go teh whole fucking way!!!!!!!

    let’s get rid of the streests electric lights computers internet cars planes medeicine as all tehse thinsg were CRETED BY BETAS YOU FUCKSSSSSSSS!!!

    do you think the wright borthers rocked out with their cocks every night fucking womenz in kitty hawk?????!?! did socrates pump and dump and negwomenz so he cold pump and dump them in his furry hats?

    GROW SOME BALL YOU FUCKTARDS!!!

    ANYONE WHO ENJOY CIVILIZATION MUST REPECT AND HONOR THE TRUE ALPHA TRAITS OF HONOR BVALOUR TRUTH BUETY HEROIC TRUTH BEUATY HHEROIC SICENCE HEROIC ART HERIOIC LIETRTAURE!!!!

    you crazy bernankified FFFFUCKS!!!!

    if you want to say its only natural for women to be whores nd men to fuck as man possible, well it’s also natrual then for THOS WEOMNZ AND MENZ TO WALK EVERYWHERE, SHIT IN THE WOODS, AND MAKE THEIR OWN CLOTEHS OUT OF LEAVES lzozlzllzozoz

    but anyone who enjoys law shcool electric light planes internet computers coffee free markets hardware stores hair driers beuaty magazines MUST REPSECT THAT WE’RE NOT LIVINGIN A FUCKING JUNGLE!!!

    you FUCKERS HAV A GREAT DENBT THAT YOU WOE THE HEOES WHO CAME BHEFORE YOU.

    and that’s nasically why the neocnsneed to stop publsihing promoeting funding financince secrteiev tapers of butthex without the girlths conthent as it is fundamanetaly dishonest sand stoopid lzozlzlzllzlzlzlzlz and disrepectful to the heroic greats who crated all outr welatha dn freedom

    you stipud fucks.
    not all of you.

    but like 80% lozlzlzlzlz

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  66. @SilverFox said “You missed gay #s; some are as high as 10%. In Black culture its near 20%, on the down low.”

    How about lesbos?

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  67. 80>40

    evolution via men>>>evolution via women

    interestingly, all offspring mitochondria are inherited from mom

    know you’re not into the mathematics; so be careful when you’re ‘proofing’ something

    if and when all women on earth are hopelessly (but genuinely) attracted to one man, so much so that given the opportunity they would cuckold (subvert) all others in his favor… and if evolution is the means to distill divinity… we may as well call him an earthly, but not a heavenly, god.

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  68. J–

    I share your questions and a few more. Do these numbers take into account male infertility, early death from battles and childhood illness, the fact that slightly fewer males then females are born and that girls are more likely in primitive circumstances (and even today) to survive childhood, the fact that males are more likely to have various physical or psychological defects ?

    The answer to all those Q’s are that they do not filter out those factors at all. They’re part of the stew. (Though absent selective abortions /infanticide) slightly more men than women are born. But you’re right that absent modern medicine slightly more girls than boys reach adulthood.

    What’s always underestimated is how many men died in primitive warfare. That’s because Boazian anthropology which swept American departments in the 20s and 30s and remains dominant in cultural anthropology today (not physical or genetic anthropology) is full of lefty liars like Margret Mead. They were determined to find noble savages and idylic peaceful Edens. That’s why Channon’s work re: the Yanamano was so widely reviled for so long.

    Men get the best girls and sometimes more than one for mates in HG societies by successful daring do. Well most of all by being the headman (political charisma and status) but he usually got there in part by past daring do. In skirmishes w/other bands over choice territory, bride raiding, hunting success and so on.

    So it’s a positive feedback loop leading to an imbalance leading to a smaller number of men impregnating a larger number of females. Girls want a high status male which tends to mean a male who has succeeded after taking more risks. Taking more risks leads to a lot more male deaths. The surviving risk takers (alphas) are the ones who get the most girls.

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  69. on July 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozolzozzlzlzlzozzlzl

    if it’s all just biology and nobody can help it
    then why do you type on your computer?

    why do you stand uponthe hsoulders of galielo and socrtaes and all te so called betas who built refined teh compueter you use? lzozlzlzl

    why don’t you just fuck and scuk and beat your chest like you’re living in da jungle lzozlozlzlzlzlzl like how the fed wanst you too?

    lozlzzoozlzlzllz

    sure u cna say womenz are naturaly whores and men are naturally short secrrteive taers of butthex without the girlths contenth which is how thefed wnast you to think of men

    but too

    women andmen wer eboth naturally given souls

    and the bability to choose

    and rise above the fucking and sucking and butthex

    and create menaing and buaty in honor and ocmmittment

    of the soul

    o f the spirit

    which the fed has programmed so many of you poor fucks to rage against and dneny lzozlzzlzlzlzlzlzlzl

    to never ocnsider teh soul nor sopirit nor the debt you woer all teh poets and propehts of ore who are always tehre ready 2 exalt you. lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzl

    if only you choose

    if you choose to walk away form teh fed’s definition of men as secretive paers of butthex and teh fed’s definition of women as lady gaga getting sexed on by many many menz.

    if only you shcoose

    to folow me

    for i am the light ad wthe way

    my burden is light and my yoke is easy

    so put aside the sectrieve tapins of butthe and teh fed’s neocon deosuling apparati

    mens and womenz alike

    you both haveimmortal souls
    hould yochoose but to seethem
    and follow them

    and live by honro and integrity and truth and beutay
    intesad of gina tingles and fiat liusts lzozozlz

    so lay down your fiat phislophies and fiat fallacies and

    lay down your fiat chaines which bindyou tobernake

    and fallow me.

    lzozlzlz

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  70. “if it ever comes to pass that “everyone” “knows game” we will regress even further and the harems will once again go to the most brutal sonofabitch around” – dc

    So its time to thug it up beyond belief. Already, there is widespread knowledge of basic game principles. Girls are adapting. It doesn’t take a genius to watch some TV and look at society to tell that girls are refocusing their tastes toward even bigger douches, tools, rappers, criminals, badboys. Example: The Jersey Shore phenomenon.

    Start dressing accordingly?

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  71. Women will share an alpha before settling for a beta.

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  72. on July 27, 2010 at 3:30 pm greatbooksformen

    80% of da womenz are butthexed ebernankifed and rendered unmariagable by 20% of da alphas in college lzozlzl

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  73. Because of the dearth of moral education you guys have lost the proper vocabulary to characterize female behavior. While most commentators here like to group themselves in the alpha category (harem master) what is the true, biological measure here – the yardstick is those males women choose to reproduce with – these are the REAL biological winners. Gamers/PUAs who fornicate with women in protected-sex encounters aren’t one with 40% of the historical males who got to reproduce. They are BIOLOGICAL LOSERS (harem eunuchs) who are in the same category as the betas they like to criticize – the PUAs are biological FAILURES as well.

    When you look at the numbers 80%/40% the one thing that comes to light is that some higher-value males are being rejected by lower status females. In fact, you can likely extrapolate from these numbers that given a large enough sample size instances where you have viewed women rejecting men the reality is that most of the rejections involved a lower-biological-status female rejecting a higher-biological status male. As is well known now, some women will even choose to reproduce with absentee alpha fathers rather than with relatively lower status males (who are still of higher relative biological/societal/cultural value than the women themselves) that could provide households for the women – even if it means their children are raised in less-than-ideal conditions.

    What did the ancients call this? VANITY. Vain: Having or showing an excessively high opinion of one’s appearance, abilities, or worth. “I only screw athletes, movie stars or plutocrats”. The typical artistic depiction of vanity is a woman looking into a mirror for reassurance that she is still attractive while a skull stares back at her – See, for example, Def Leppard’s Retro Active album cover art. Feminism has succeeded in making female vanity a virtue instead of what all preceding generations saw it as – the preeminent female vice.

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  74. @Michael

    “Teaching betas game will not work forever because once game becomes saturated it will then become, well, beta.”

    You forgot about stupidity. Game is really only good for a certain demographic and its quite obvious Roissy fits the profile. Many betas and herbs are too self hating. Alphas are just natural but cannot evolve. Others will pick up the power tool only to maim themselves. Game is a vehicle for intellectual powers. It is well suited to those who have not used their wit to advantage. Instead of building bridges, which worked before, consider this same power actually reared to create a social presence appealing to women.

    Consider the average geek as if he were a submarine captain in the desert. He has a great power of mind, but because its consumed out of context, he feels inadequate in the social context. Yet if he uses his brain to dominate the attention of women, he suddenly sees he can outclass her beauty. His brain now plays the same game fully trained to its pursuit. Game is simply a vehicle, and a platform for the emerging dominance of intellect. Its a chess game now, and smart one’s become masters.

    So game introduces the idea that brains may become sexually dominant. It is of little use to idiots, self hating chumps, herbs and even to natural alphas. Men with the capacity will soon wonder why a woman deserves his time while he sails in a sea of beauty.

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  75. SDaedalus–

    Also, in relation to your final conclusion, that human progress has been assisted by female hypergamy, I’m not so sure about this.

    Probably what contributed most of all to human progress is the human propensity to war on other groups, to steal their territory, women and later riches, and to defend yourself from such depredations. But not to war continually. Talk about competitive pressure.

    Female hypergamy assists too, so long as it’s hypergamy to the civilizationally “right” things. By that I don’t mean the religiously or PC right things, but the things that in fact advance the competitive position of that civilization. (Yeah competition is what leads to civilizational advance, not just pumping out babies to be raised with other people’s welfare money.) Female hypergamy to status and money generally seems good by that metric. But female hypergamy to thugs doesn’t. Though I think Roissy greatly exaggerates the extent of that phenomenon when we’re talking most hotties, in order to shake up going by the rules cubicle dwellers.

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  76. on July 27, 2010 at 3:35 pm Vincent Ignatius

    @Gorb

    If you look at the Nature article I cited, you’ll see that 20% of the men are having most of the sex.

    At this grad school, that certainly seems to be the case. Maybe your friend was being too generous. Here, roughly 40% of the men are having no sex, 40% get laid a bit, and the top 20% are getting most of the poon, with probably the top 5% really bringing in the hos.

    20% of the girls are unbangable by most standards. Girls here are ugly. The other 80% are following their hypergamous instincts.

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  77. on July 27, 2010 at 3:35 pm greatbooksformen

    would be funny 2 see

    ben beranke rush limbuagh tucker max mark levin sean hannity jonah goldberg charlotte allen and pricislla pinaton joining the army and syuiting up and going throug h basic trianing to go fight da neocns wars lzozlzlzlzlzozlzlzllzlzoz

    but right now we have a 2 class society

    one class sits back and secrtievly tapes butthex without the girlths contehn t and publishes finances fpromotes it and warmongers and beats the war drums and prints da money and creates the debt taht engolulfs and is detsroying tehwestwrn world by funding ffmeinisms

    and the other class

    goes off to fight and die in foreign wars on foerign shores lzozlzlzllzozzllz and works day jobs 2 pay off the war debts zlozlzlzlz and to fund abortin too of 50,0000,000 innocents kiled zlozlzlz

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  78. on July 27, 2010 at 3:44 pm greatbooksformen

    just like the fed legislates that you have to accept a worthlless debauched debt based federal reserve note as legal tender under thereat of incaration gun point, so too are they trying to legislate that you have to accept a desouled debached, womenz as a wife. lzozlzlzozlzllz

    all 4 the greater good of humanityzlzozllzzl they butthex the gilrs and tape it secretly without their contehnt to beetter theworld zozlzlzl

    now the funny thig about tucker max is that he is what we would call “A tell” in poker.

    he’s kinda “a tell” of what bernanke/allen/painton REALLLY think.

    and thus they will soon defund him zozlzlzlzozozlzlz fo tipping thei rhand.

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  79. on July 27, 2010 at 3:48 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    “to accept a desouled debached, benankified, assocked in secrteive tapings of fiat sponsiderd butthex without her conthent, womenz as a wife. ”

    lozlzzlzl

    would you drink oout of a ocke bottle if yu saw it opne, sitting on a table?

    why not?

    chances are just one other person put tehir mouth on it.

    and yet you would marry a woemn who has had 3 cocks in her anthus (watch the secrteive tpaes!), 27 in her gina, and 43 in her mouth?

    the lozlzlzlzlz is on you!!

    lzozllzlzlzz

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  80. greatbooksformen, at the time of this post, 13 of the 71 posts are from you.

    Your rants and LOLs remind me of a crazy homeless person on the street corner screeching at passerbys before crapping himself.

    And in case I’m not being clear, shut up already.

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  81. on July 27, 2010 at 3:53 pm bitter beta

    greatbooksformen,

    I am tired of reading your semi-literate babble. You are living proof of the fact that the male intelligence spread is very large. You have demonstrated that you are on the lower tail of the bell curve.

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  82. on July 27, 2010 at 4:01 pm greenlander

    Agreed, GBFM should STFU. I’m also tired of having to scroll past his repetitive autistic drivel.

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  83. I would put the evolutionary question in this form:

    1. Societies that can muster “wide-deep” resources such as the middle Roman Republic, Middle Egyptian Pharoahs, Greek City States, 1940’s America, and so on can and will destroy other, weaker-resourced societies in competition for land, resources, people, etc. Something always turns up wrt disaster, and only the wide-deep societies with beta males fully invested have the “margin” to survive it — Alpha-harem models crumble under stress. No one wants to die for the Sultan’s harem.

    2. The current wealth/resources is seed-corn being eaten by today’s Alphas/harems and we are looking at a return to scarcity.

    3. Growing awakening to hypergamy by betas has its ultimate end point: end of commitment to tired, serial monogamy, hypergamous women in their mid-thirties with little attractiveness or ability to bond. Leading to:

    4. Defacto single motherhood and pump-and-dump which leads to thuggery and the ability to form large gangs and provide patronage leadership as the road to evolutionary/reproductive success. Call it the society of Zetas.

    A new Dark Ages is being born, one in which gangs of men simply take, women are nothing but property for the strongest, patronage includes lots pillage and other things, and some brutalist lord will establish monogamous norms to rebuild a wide-deep advantage.

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  84. on July 27, 2010 at 4:01 pm greatbooksformen

    oh ok im soryy zlozlzzzlozzlz

    sorry i distrubed your secrteievtapings of butthexiwthout the gilrths contehnt or your beta job workin for da empowered womnz mbaz who are abnkruping your country and detsroying its borders and debauching your cultre and curency lzozlz

    sorry for spekaing da truth lzlzlzllzlz

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  85. on July 27, 2010 at 4:03 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozlzlzlz

    i think you mispelled autsicitc is t s spelled artistic

    far mor epoeple love me tan the three betas who hate me lzozlzllz who iget more pussy than and so they hate as even with the fed’s secretive tapings of butthex initiatives they are yunabel to score

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  86. J—

    [email protected] — It scares me when you and I agree. But like I said, the future belongs to those who can multiply ..and read and write and get elected to Congress and make laws and jail and execute those rogue alphas whose “dominant” behavior becomes anti-social. The “meek will inherit the earth” because they will tire of the bad behavior eventually and quietly legislate it out of existence.

    And

    [email protected] Stater—

    Except that current statistics don’t bear that out. The results of current research show that illegitimate kids are quite disadvantaged, not just in terms of IQ, but in general health, poorer upbringing–both materially and spirtually, lack of discipline, etc.

    The morlocks won’t do well unless society really collapses. Then, welcome to the thunderdome (and pardon my mixed metaphors).

    The solution to this is quite simple. It’s just that it’s shocking to most modern women and a good lot of PC era men.

    End all welfare and end all mandatory child support. Yeah there’d be a tough transition period. Maybe phase it out and one or two years of welfare to deal with temporary bad fortune would be ok.

    Watch the out of wedlock birth rate absolutely plummet. I’m now firmly convinced that most out of wedlock pregnancies are oops, are due to girls accidentally on purpose wanting to have a baby even without having firmly secured a mate, either consciously or more often partly or fully subconsciously. The white rate of illegitimacy in 1964 was 3%. That was before all kinds of birth control and before legal and safe abortions. It’s now around 25%. There’d also be more giving up kids for adoption to two parent families who can’t have kids, which is also good. (There’s a real scarcity of white children for adoption in this country.)

    As well girls who marry to have kids would have a big incentive to pick a man who’d remain in the marriage and voluntarily pay child support if it ended, due to wanting to be a good dad, with lots of visitation. As well women who initiate divorce 2.5x as often as men, most often for reasons of not really feeling in love anymore (often cause they had an affair but the husband doesn’t know or want to start looking without sneaking) though it’s usually called something else (he doesn’t listen, etc.), would be much more incented to remain married and raise their kids in a two parent household.

    It’s women that need the cultural pressure, and aren’t getting it worth squat anymore.

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  87. Warfare is a major cause, death rates in tribal cultures were massive.

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  88. on July 27, 2010 at 4:05 pm greatbooksformen

    hey erikz thankz for ocunting da posts you must live an awesome life to be able to count so ewell and have so much tiem e to count psots zozlzlzlzl do you work for teh fed and just print your won salary cause that wouldbe awesome as with lotsa fiat cash you could attend a miystery myster seminar esminar or buy a tucker max book and learn hwo to fool woemnz into thinkyour betacock is an alpha cock by butting a furry a hat on a furry hat on your cock lozlzlzl the hat would be the zie of thimble.

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  89. on July 27, 2010 at 4:08 pm bitter beta

    Roissy,

    I agree with you on most things, but what do you make of the fact that your writings attract retards like GBFM and the ‘True Forced Loneliness’ crowd?

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  90. You’re doing great work today GBFM.

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  91. Given that women are vain creatures you can simplify the analysis/insights of game which tends to be jargony with buzz words and abbreviations betraying its nerd (oh, the irony) background – what is game? Game consists of seduction techniques that seek to take advantage of the preeminent female weakness – vanity. For example: DHV: She’s special, so her man has to be even more special. Peacocking: She’s special, so she deserves a special kind of male, one who isn’t afraid to draw attention to himself with outlandish costumes. Pre-selection: She’s special, so she deserves a man higher-status women have already selected for themselves. Neg: Reminding her that you are high-status and hence fitting in to her vanity that she deserves a prince, king or superhero.

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  92. on July 27, 2010 at 4:21 pm greatbooksformen

    hey bitter beta

    “bitter beta

    Roissy,

    I agree with you on most things, but what do you make of the fact that your writings attract retards like GBFM and the ‘True Forced Loneliness’ crowd?”

    i just looke dup the true forced lonliness crowd and your handle bitter beta tells us all that you’re not only a memeber but teh president lzozlzlzlzlzlz

    no wodner you h8 me lzozlzlzlzzlz

    lotsa cocka 4 la ladies but please do ot touch it yourself thansks in advance it creeps me out lzozlzlz

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  93. “A woman is at her core a whore, and feels quite rightly that her best interests are
    1) to get the best possible genes for her offspring
    2) to get as much money as possible

    To achieve the 2nd, women require their pussy to be worth as much money as possible. To achieve that they must create a class of sex hungry betas. Supply and demand demands that they don’t fuck betas for free.

    To achieve the 1st interest, women will fuck for free. Even if married.”

    XSPLAT, that was a brilliant summation.

    “Game is a vehicle for intellectual powers. It is well suited to those who have not used their wit to advantage. Instead of building bridges, which worked before, consider this same power actually reared to create a social presence appealing to women.

    Consider the average geek as if he were a submarine captain in the desert. He has a great power of mind, but because its consumed out of context, he feels inadequate in the social context. Yet if he uses his brain to dominate the attention of women, he suddenly sees he can outclass her beauty. His brain now plays the same game fully trained to its pursuit. Game is simply a vehicle, and a platform for the emerging dominance of intellect. Its a chess game now, and smart one’s become masters.

    So game introduces the idea that brains may become sexually dominant. It is of little use to idiots, self hating chumps, herbs and even to natural alphas. Men with the capacity will soon wonder why a woman deserves his time while he sails in a sea of beauty.”

    CHITOWN, you know, I’ve been groping and fumbling my way to that exact same conclusion. Only I never would have been able to articulate it so well. Thanks man.

    “I only screw athletes, movie stars or plutocrats”.

    Dave, you may find this interesting:

    What do groupies hope to attain in pursuing relationships with ballplayers? We found that their motives varied. Some were just looking for a good time without any hopes of developing serious long-term relationships. For them, the ballpark on a warm summer evening, especially in small minor league towns, offered a place to go and something different to do. Two such women who went to all the Welland Pirates’ home games with free tickets provided by players echoed each other’s sentiments: “Here at the ballpark you got something to watch while you have a few beers. It’s better than going to a smoky, noisy bar and just drinking beer and trying to get picked up.” They had casual relationships with two players, whom they met up with after each game. They, like other casual groupies we met, said they also enjoyed hearing the players talk about the team, the professional game of baseball, and their postgame analysis of each night’s play. In short, their relationships with the players offered them inside information that was valued in some small-town circles. Some groupies said that they also enjoyed getting to know the players because they were from different parts–notably California, Texas, Florida, and the Caribbean–and that made them more interesting than local men whose backgrounds the girls knew all too well. Several women said that the different regions and subcultures from which the players came–their “exotic” backgrounds–made them more glamorous. In the words of one middle-aged woman, speaking as a former groupie, “It’s like an adventure. These guys represent an adventure in a safe way because you know who they are and you can actually go find them if you need to. Unlike just meeting a guy in a bar, a player is not going to be a guy who is going to kill you or something. Players come slightly recommended; you know who they are. Then there is the bragging aspect–‘Oh, I slept with so and so.

    More here.

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  94. on July 27, 2010 at 4:34 pm greatbooksformen

    “A new Dark Ages is being born, one in which gangs of men simply take, women are nothing but property for the strongest, patronage includes lots pillage and other things, and some brutalist lord will establish monogamous norms to rebuild a wide-deep advantage.”

    omg you fuckity fucktards are soooooooooooooooooooo fucking stooopid that i have almost lost all hoep

    IT’S NOT THE MEN WHO ARE TKAING

    IT TIS THE FED THAT IS TAKING BILLINS AND TRILLIONS VIA THE FMEINSIT JOVEMENT!!!!!

    lzozlzlzlzlz

    women do not ntaurlaly create wealth but they abosrb it and take it.

    so the fed is smart like ben beranke went to princteon where they learned how to conquer a ocuntry by empowering its woemn to incacerate and plunder the men and give bernake a nice big cut.

    of coure the womenz must be doeusled first before beingmade 100% loyal to the fiat dollar in tehir mba progams and that’s where teh tucker max secrteivt tapings of butthex without the girlths contehnt comes in, published ifnaced rewarfded promotomoted by the neocns lzozlzlzozzozo

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  95. on July 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm (r)Evolutionary

    @Michael–Chi-Town is correct, game has no saturation point. It’s fluidly evolving, especially inner game. Outer game–routines, canned lines, etc–these get old and new ones are innovated. R
    I’ve experienced several times how girls *know* they’re getting gamed and love it. Roissy has posted several times about this. Athol Kay’s wife and Mark Bachman’s girlfriend both post pro-game musings on their respective blogs.
    The feminists have a tired, hackneyed saying: “Patriarchy Hurts Men Too,” referred as PHMT on feminist blogs much as we refer to SWPL. It’s time we as gamesmen answer back with the truth about game–it benefits women too. Susan Walsh more or less begrudgingly says the same thing. Game Benefits Women Too. GBWT. Wait that’s close to GBFM. How about Game Benefits Females Massively, in homage to the great GBFM.
    On the topic of GBFM, I must digress for a moment: Bitter Beta–fuck off. GBFM is a smart motherfucker, he is well-read, reads the classics, and understands the pecuniaries of the currently deflationary compression of the fiat system. Yes, he writes in obfuscating nonstandard english, but he makes a ton of valid points and his intelligence is obvious from the content, though perhaps less so from the delivery. Try speed-reading his comments instead of reading word-for-word, and you’ll see the code in the matrix.
    Back to the ways in which Game Benefits Females Massively. First, they get the alpha presence of men smart enough to understand female psychosexual physiology. Secondly, as a corollary, game enlarges the pool of datable men beyond the natural alphas to a much more quality pool of men, such as the readers of this here blog.
    More importantly, game creates a system of checks and balances for female hypergamy.
    Hypergamy run amok harms women–they ride the alpha cocka carousel until they’re bound for cat-feeding irrelevance to the dating scene, or morph into desperate cougars. I’ve seen it over and over again, and it’s a sad thing. On the female side of the 80-40% equation of today’s post from Roissy’s post, we know that a time comes in which a woman’s sexual market value plummets when she hits that mid-30’s wall.
    Looking at the plummeting birth rate side-by-side with the demographic shift that leaves many more unmarried women in their 40’s than men, it;s obvious to see that in the last 10 years, a lot more than 20% of the women of a certain demographic rode the alpha carousel until they were no longer datable.
    When enough chicks get burnt by numerous pump & dumps in her early years, the smart ones, at least in theory, will begin to check their behavior before it’s too late, and start selecting for game-wielding reformed betas and good-hearted neo-alphas who want to use game to procreate, to continue the species while having lots of great sex in the process.
    Of course some sluts are too damaged to do anything else but ride the cocka carousel into oblivion. Game benefits them too, in that they can still benefit from some male attention from betas-in-training rather than sitting home stroking the cat.
    Remember–Game Benefits Females Massively.
    That is all.

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  96. @Exsplat

    “But yes, sure, woman try to get the best genes and the good provider mixed together. Sometimes. Both drives are, however, distinct. You may not have noticed that?”

    Actually, no.

    I have a good provider with kick-ass genes. So do most of my friends, but you and I do live different lifestyles.

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  97. on July 27, 2010 at 4:47 pm greatbooksformen

    “we know that a time comes in which a woman’s sexual market value plummets when she hits that mid-30′s wall.”

    lozozlzozozo try 28 as who wants to deal with a strecthed out 28 year old when tehre are 20 year olds? lzozlzozlzl women are curuel to other owmenz lzozlzlzlzlz

    ^^^^^^^
    “”member–Game Benefits Females Massively.

    uh wat???????

    how does lotsa cockas and a bleeding anuth and spinsterhood benefit womenz?

    most womenz do not want these things but nd up wth teas teh fed tricks them into taking lotsa cockas into all of tehir orifcies zlozlzlzlzlzlzlzlz hahah

    imagne that–fooled by bernanke et al. lzozlzllzlzlz i am shocked. shocked i say!!!!

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  98. Woman sleeps with 1000 men…

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/881539/Sex-and-the-City-fan-beds-1000-men.html

    You have to have super tight game to sleep with 1000 men….oh wait…you don’t…

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  99. @Whiskey,

    Defacto single motherhood and pump-and-dump which leads to thuggery and the ability to form large gangs and provide patronage leadership as the road to evolutionary/reproductive success. Call it the society of Zetas.

    Interesting, particularly your mention of new patronage networks, graft and so on. In other words the USA becomes another Latin American banana republic, with the occasional coup d’etat.

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  100. on July 27, 2010 at 4:52 pm greatbooksformen

    “On the topic of GBFM, I must digress for a moment: Bitter Beta–fuck off. GBFM is a smart motherfucker, he is well-read, reads the classics, and understands the pecuniaries of the currently deflationary compression of the fiat system. Yes, he writes in obfuscating nonstandard english, but he makes a ton of valid points and his intelligence is obvious from the content, though perhaps less so from the delivery. Try speed-reading his comments instead of reading word-for-word, and you’ll see the code in the matrix.”

    thanks dude!!!
    lozlzozlzozlzozlzozzozlzozozzlzl zlzozllzozzlzozlzozozoz

    for teh bitter betas who i love and wish tolead up from teh buthex hell chicks the hell of tehir nuhes of tehir griltfeinds which were bernakikfeid butthexed by tucker max rhymes with goldman sax,

    for the bitter betas i have made the followhsing chart

    to help theme see

    the reality

    that hjonah goldberg and tucker max don’t want them to see lzozlzlzllzlzlz

    i can show you the way, neo (bitter beta & gbfm hata), but you will have to walk it zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo

    ozlzlz the more you read me and roissy the mroe your life will improve as you come to see the fiat butthex matrix for what it is — you will see the green streams of fiat data (dripping with buttdouche fresh off the butthex presses) like the matrix but with a subltle difference as some of you wieinsteinas have already seen for urself lzozzll

    at the ned of the matrix neo saw it as

    1010101011110100101
    1101001010100101010
    1101010101011101001
    0101010000010101111
    0100101111111101010
    1101010101001001001
    1101001010101001010
    1101001010100001010
    0100101010010101010

    and when you have walked the path you too will see the butthexing matrix for what it is and how the fed funded the desouling of womenz with massive amounts of douchcock frrom an early age in all tehir orfices and are acting through the soulles temptresses to seize your assetts now when a girl says, “what i really really want is a nice guy, i’m tired of the asswholes (lozlzl who got her younger hotter tighter)” instead of hearing what she says and then trying to be a nice guy you will hear the truth behind the butthexing matrix’s facade lzozlzl:

    10101010010110101010101010
    10101010101010101010010110
    101010z01010z0101l01zzlzozll1
    1o1o1o1o1ozozozo1o1o101011
    1o1o1o1oozozzozozozozo01011
    lozlzlzozlzozlozzlzozlzozlzozzoz1
    1010i1o1o1want1010a01010001
    douchebag10to butthex me0101
    010and i want you 2 buy me100
    01meals and a ring while i01011
    0101give by butt & vagina01010
    010away for free to butthexers1
    100who tape it scretely lzozl100
    zlzozllzlzlzozlzozzloozzllz and101
    1010make my anus sore for010
    1010days010101 101010101011
    1010lolsolsoslslollzzlozlzzozlz010
    0101pay 4 my meals0101001010
    101010and1010maybe1010u1010
    1001can1010touch1010my10dry
    101001dried1010up110pussy100
    101stds stds stds0101010101010
    10101buy me 1010a ring1010101
    1010for100the1010pussy1010i100
    0101gave1010away1010for0101
    1010free1010when1010it0was10
    100younger1010hotter0110lozlz
    lolzlztighter1010and010propose01
    1010so1001i1010can0110rape10
    1010your101010anus1010in0101
    1010divorce01010court1010and01
    10transfer010your0101assets1001
    1010to1010bernanke1001and1010
    1010the1010fiat1010buttheex1010
    1001matrix01010lozlzlzlzlzlzzozllzzl
    omglzozlzlzllzlzlzzzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzllz

    10lzozllzlz0zzllllzllzllzlzz1ozozlzlzl0
    010111010101010101101010101

    the sublime act of butthex is a beuatiful metaphor for what the fed does to a currency and a country, which is why the neocon weekly standard celebrates butthexers–es[pecially those who taope it without the girkl’s conthent and profit off the act. lzozlzlzlzl!

    [on the war that devastated the Real World]
    Morpheus: We don’t know who butthexed first, us or them. But we do know it was them that videotaped it without our consent while scorching the sky wioth a long trail of butthex lies. At the time, they were dependent on butthex power. It was believed they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the common man’s collective anushole. lozzllzlzlzzl

    Trinity: I know why you’re here, Neo. I know what you’ve been doing… why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer reading roissy & GBFM. You’re looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Neo. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
    Neo: What is the butthex fiat Mathrix?
    Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

    [Neocon sees a black cat walk by them, and then a similar black cat walk by them just like the first one]
    Neocon: Whoa. Déjà vu.
    [Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
    Trinity: What did you just say?
    Neocon: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
    Trinity: What did you see?
    Cypher: What happened?
    Neocon: A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
    Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
    Neocon: It might have been. I’m not sure.
    Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
    Neocon: What is it?
    Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during her college desouling years via massively multiplayer asscockig in the butt sessions and getting her fiat mba (masters of butthexing in da Anus) and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl

    lozlzlzlzlzl

    Morpheus: The Fiat lozllolozllzzl butthex Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. lzozozozozl! But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, bloggers, teachers, betas, lawyers, herbs, carpenters, and neocon womenz writing for the weekly standard, repeating the fiat lies of secretive tapers of butthex without teh girls conthent lzozlzlzlzl. The very minds and anusholes of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that butthex system and that makes them our anus’s lozlzlzozzozozl enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unbuttplugged. And many of them are so inured to butthex, so hopelessly dependent on the system of secretive tapings of butthex without tehir conthent, that they will fight to protect it and reapet the lies of secretive tapers of butthex in teh pages of the weekly standard even though they seem to be nice neocon ladies.
    [Neo’s eyes suddenly wander towards a woman in a red dress]
    Morpheus: Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress (woman as temptress in the heor’s journey myth) who was desouled via copious fiat-funded butthex from butthexers celerbated in teh pages of the weekly standard?
    Neo: I was…
    Morpheus: [gestures with one hand] Look again.
    [the desouled, massively-butthexed woman in the red dress is now a bestselling new york times author, pointing a cock at Neo’s ass; Neo ducks]
    Morpheus: Freeze it.
    [Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
    Neo: This… this isn’t the butthex Matrix?
    Morpheus: No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us lozlzlzlzlers, you are one of them butthexers.

    lozlzlzl

    i wanna start lzozlzlzl media where we have a character based on roissy who sees green streams of streaming data every time a bernankified chick opens her moutrh and throughout every episode all the herbs and betas pay for the meals of the chix roissy butthexes in the end due to his supreme knowelge of being THE ONE lzozlzlzllzzl

    i would be more like one of those minor characters along for the ride in the mother ship stanidng off to the side going lzozlzz zlzozlzozlzozlz zlzozllzozlzlzlz and don’t gte me worng i would score with all the hotties but like roissy woudl get first pick for his lead dick and i’d get the next two as that’s only fair lzozlzlzlzllzlzllzl

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  101. on July 27, 2010 at 4:56 pm greatbooksformen

    here is a litle picture i drew for all teh bitter betas and gbfm hatas:

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/the-first-panacea-for-a-mismanaged-nation-is-inflation-of-the-currency-the-second-is-war-both-bring-a-temporary-prosperity-both-bring-a-permanent-ruin-but-both-are-the-refuge-of-political-and-eco/

    if ever you would wonder why millions of fiat berankedolalrs have been invested in tucker max’s debt-creating, talentless fart art and secrteive tapinsg of asscocking girls iwthout the girlths ocnthent supported by powerful noecon womenz, you can see it in teh figure lzozlzozlzlozzlzl

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  102. @TD: “You have to have super tight game to sleep with 1000 men….oh wait…you don’t…”

    Yeah. That’s why sluts are detestable (and it’s connected to the 80-40 thing)

    Some players say they “love sluts”, but do they really? I doubt it. You might love them while they’re lovingly slobbering on your cock but once you empty your sack on their face the fun’s over.

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  103. on July 27, 2010 at 5:01 pm Cannon's Canon

    stuff black people don’t like: great books for men!

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2010/07/87-great-books.html

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  104. By the way, what form of mental abberation does GBFM have? Some kind of manic OCD? Not saying he’s retarded or anything…maybe he’s a demented genius, I don’t know.

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  105. on July 27, 2010 at 5:07 pm greatbooksformen

    butthex!!!!!lzozz

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  106. on July 27, 2010 at 5:17 pm greatbooksformen

    “Jay

    By the way, what form of mental abberation does GBFM have? Some kind of manic OCD? Not saying he’s retarded or anything…maybe he’s a demented genius, I don’t know.”

    one of the typical methods of the communists fiat masters has always been to use clinical terms to put down and discredit those who question tehir lies, calling them demented or manic or omse other pop psychology bullshit word created by necons to butthex civilization as while they call otehrs who speak teh truth crzy, tehy wire hundreds of thosuands of dolalrs to grown men who tape asscocking sessions in secret without the gilrths ocntehnt, and then call teh speakers of claisscal truth and representedrs of classicla beuaty crazy lzozlzlzozzlzlz

    and so it is that tcuker max and ben beranke are your lord and master lzozlzlzllzz as the country and currency heads on twoards disaster but not for thebutthexers and secrteiv tapers of butthex, but for those who try to unite love marriage and sex lzozlzlzlzlzlz

    butthehethxtxxxtxhxh!!!

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  107. Here is the source of the “Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.” quote:

    http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/21/11/2047

    more:

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/the-missing-men-in-your-family-tree/

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  108. Hey GBFM :

    Check this out:

    http://alturl.com/o2b8f

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  109. It’s obvious GBFM can write in perfect English if he wants.

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  110. on July 27, 2010 at 5:28 pm Sir_Chancealot

    It is most likely that GBFM is an established writer/author, who’s writing style without all the “lollzzz” and mixing of letters (i.e., dyslexia) would probably be apparent to multiple people. My guess is that he uses a special “dictionary” when he posts, because he continually switches the same letters in words. Also, if you read some of his stuff, he’ll occasionally screw up, and throw in a word that people of “normal” intelligence do not use. Ala “Billy the Exterminator”.

    Dave, it’s not often that a comment makes me sit up and take notice, but you are absolutely correct. “Vanity” is probably the best term to describe women’s actions today.

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  111. Even if everyone had sex with everyone you would end up with fewer men procreating than women.

    Statistics homework question:

    Take 10 men and 10 women. All the men fuck all the women in every possible permutation and position. Assume all 10 women get knocked up. Assume equal sperm count and quality. What are the odds all ten men become fathers? What are the odds less than 7 men become fathers?

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  112. Dear EricZ and bitter beta- Why don’t you just scroll past them and ignore gbfm’s posts? Good grief. Do you spend your evenings watching the Lifetime channel and complaining about the programming?

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  113. OF COURSE women don’t want to mate with whimps, FUGS, old-farts, dweebs and social retards.

    Of course women pick the “BEST” to mate with. Who wants fugly retarded offspring to rule the world? Of course the best looking, most talented, healthiest, strongest men will get ‘the babes’. Big shocker there. GENIUS. lol

    Do we really need more trailer trash and banjo music and ugly men mating with beautiful women and BRING DOWN the beauty quotient? Do we need an ‘idiocracy’ writ large?

    Of course women don’t want you losers.

    Deal with it and die already.

    [Editor: sara is back.]

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  114. Well, as an old beta male with bucks and children and grandchildren coming, let me say that:

    1. It will be interesting to see all these harem girls living on food stamps, since the “alphas” of our time, pretty boys, won’t have the money to support them. The welfare state is, last time I checked, broke.

    2. Woman don’t support themselves, no matter what they say. Look at the massive transfer of $$ to women in our health care and retirement systems. Single women can’t support their children.

    3. The society that has spawned this behavior is dying. Let’s enjoy its death throws.

    4. The crazy alphas of my day had children or not, often not. I really don’t think that the alphas of today are going to spread their genes unless the betas males raise their children for them.

    5. Get the hell our of D.C. and New York City. Life is not as crazy elsewhere, from the sounds of it.

    BTW, the lower level of men who reproduce by genetic evidence may be due to a high level of male mortality. Polygamy is much more common in warrior societies.

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  115. You guys who fear the idea of everyone somehow learning game and all guys being equal need a severe wake-up call. VERY few people have the inclination, the intelligence, the drive, the basic social wherewithall, etc. etc. etc., to improve themselves in attraction of women. I play a lot of poker. A few years ago it was the fad among certain winning poker players to think that with the advent of the internet, discussion boards, new strategy books, etc., ALL THE FISH would somehow learn to play poker and the games would soon be dead. This of course was never borne out.

    The reason is simple. 95% of the population fundamentally lacks the innate ability and/or desire to excel at poker. You guys give WAY too much credit to the average person. The number that could excel at learning game might be higher than for poker, but it will never be higher than 15-20% of the population. Frankly, almost all guys do employ “game” right now as it is; whatever their understanding of it is. There isn’t one way to game anyways, and there will always be refinement of strategies and improvement of execution.

    [Editor: This is a good point. Never underestimate the inertia of the average human being.]

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  116. AHE- false construct I believe. Pretty sure roughly 7 women would get pregnant, by approximately 6 or 7 men.

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  117. sfer–

    Thanks for the link. Just from reading the abstract of the paper, it does look like their DNA markers are restricted to homo sapiens, within the last 100k years or so, on a blended basis.

    So there’s not monkey polygamy pollution of the 2x as many female ancestors results. Which does point to some kind of effective male reproductive polygamy (which could be of the soft and serial kind as well) in our fully human evolutionary past.

    Okay, dokay.

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  118. on July 27, 2010 at 5:54 pm (r)Evolutionary

    On the GBFM debate–I think his manic writing style must be an artifact of his 150-wpm keyboard slashing. I wrote that bit about seeing the matrix in his writing, posted it, awaiting moderation, of course, and took a quick nap. I awoke, came back to my computer, and GBFM must have knocked out 5,000 words in the span of maybe 15 minutes. He IS Neo, with a 15-MBS ethernet plugged into his occiput so he can just directly download the lololllzolzozlzlzozl directly into the matrix.

    BTW, GBFM, to answer your earlier question, about how game benefits women if they’re getting butthexed without their consent–again, the smart ones will only get Tucker Maxxed once before they’re 24 before they figure it out. Game’s benefit to women is that of a strong stimuli–one that they can use to learn, become smarter, or one that they can become addicted to, and allow themselves to be debased by. As Bachman said recently, no one determines a woman’s sexual value more than she does–by either guarding it carefully or giving it away. Butthex is a two-fer-one on a woman’s soul, so it best come with a high price for the alpha.

    The Editor’s comments on Anonymous’s posting are duly noted–the average Joe Sixpack is probably too lazy or unintelligent, or both, to learn game or improve himself, preferring to stroke it to porn or watching mainstream bullshit on the telly. Fuck that. Study game and put in work to conquer some empires, and the pussy will come, come, come.

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  119. Good points Grampa.

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  120. Grandpa-

    BTW, the lower level of men who reproduce by genetic evidence may be due to a high level of male mortality.

    This was probably a large part of it in hunter gather societies yes.

    Though many Yanomami are peace, many are fierce warriors. Sometimes their warring is to capture women, so that their best warriors can maximize their reproductive success.

    In general, warring villages are usually several days walk from each other, where as tranquil ones may be less than a day. Villages will usually fission when the population reaches 100 to 150 people but in times of warfare villages will not split before they reach a population of around 300 individuals.

    Villages may go to war for a number of reasons and warfare makes up a large part of Yanomami life.

    About 40% of adult males have killed another person and about 25% of adult males will die from some form of violence. Violence will vary from chest pounding, in which opponents take turns hitting each others on the chest, to club fights, to raids which may involve the killing of individuals and abducting the women, to all out warfare.

    http://www.crystalinks.com/yanomami.html

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  121. GBFM – I recognize the point you’re making about how some so-called betas were some of the most important men in human history. However those men weren’t motivated by helping their fellow man or human society as a whole, in my opinion… they were motivated by the pursuit of truth. I agree with this sentiment, myself… I take truth over comfort, pleasure, happiness time and time again.

    Your implication is that there is honor in being a compliant beta in and of itself. I think that whether or not those great men were betas, they certainly were not compliant. They certainly didn’t find pleasure in being the backbone of the society in which they lived; frankly, they rejected and actively combatted their societies in search of universal truths.

    In any case, the beta/alpha dichotomy does a very poor job of explaining human behavior. We all display beta characteristics and alpha characteristics at different times, dependent on the circumstances. With regards to the men you mentioned, is it not highly “alpha” to buck the establishment, profess a new way of thinking, and lead a group of devoted followers with your message? Even long after you’ve died?

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  122. Jim Bowery’s Genetic Omni-Dominance Hypothesis expands on these themes.

    “Game” can be seen as non-“GOD” (genetically omni-dominant) males learning to mimic “GOD” (genetically omni-dominant) phenotypes.

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  123. Probably what contributed most of all to human progress is the human propensity to war on other groups, to steal their territory, women and later riches

    Was warfare good for betas in that respect e.g. it got them women they wouldn’t have got otherwise? No need for game (possibly not even consent) if you’re a conquering force? Alternatively, maybe being part of a conquering force is game?

    On a separate but related issue, I wonder whether or not perhaps a higher percentage of men than specified actually reproduced, but their genes weren’t carried on because both they and their children were killed by conquering tribes, with their women, if sufficiently attractive, being taken as prisoners/slaves/concubines.

    Female hypergamy assists too, so long as it’s hypergamy to the civilizationally “right” things. By that I don’t mean the religiously or PC right things, but the things that in fact advance the competitive position of that civilization.

    Does civilization advance more quickly in a society where female sexuality is limited and controlled? Where female sexuality is uncontrolled in the sense that women can sleep with a lot of men without stigma, they may go for pure attraction in choosing men, there is not as much motivation for men to do things other than things which increase that attraction (such as game)

    Where it is controlled, in the sense that they are limited to one man, then they are more likely to choose on the basis of status and achievements, which encourages men to achieve.

    Of course this assumes that men’s primary motivation in life is to get women, which may not necessarily be the case.

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  124. ADHD, I think.

    You guys give him too much credit.

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  125. on July 27, 2010 at 6:09 pm greatbooksformen

    “(r)Evolutionary

    On the GBFM debate–I think his manic writing style must be an artifact of his 150-wpm keyboard slashing. I wrote that bit about seeing the matrix in his writing, posted it, awaiting moderation, of course, and took a quick nap. I awoke, came back to my computer, and GBFM must have knocked out 5,000 words in the span of maybe 15 minutes. He IS Neo, with a 15-MBS ethernet plugged into his occiput so he can just directly download the lololllzolzozlzlzozl directly into the matrix.”

    lzozllzlzlzlz

    “BTW, GBFM, to answer your earlier question, about how game benefits women if they’re getting butthexed without their consent–again, the smart ones will only get Tucker Maxxed once before they’re 24 before they figure it out ( I AM SO RELIEVED THAT YOU KJBNOW THIS TO BE TRUE AND THAT YOU ARE THERE AT THEIOR 24RTH BIRTHDAY TO CELEBRAT?E THE END OF THEIR ASSCOCKING SESSIONS!!! I AM SO RELEIVED TO KNOW THAT MY WIFE WILL NOT HAVE BEEN ASSCOCKED AFTER THE AGE OF 24 BUT ONLY BEOFRE. THAT IS JJUST GREAT. LZOZLZOZLZOZZLZOZLLZLLZLLZLZLZLZLZLOZLZ. WHAT THEF UCK ARE YOU THE FUCKTARD OF ALL FUCKTARDS????????? I DONT WANT AN ASSCOKED WIFE IS THE FUCKING POINT YOU STUPID FUCK!!!!!! WHO ARE YU BERANKE?. Game’s benefit to women is that of a strong stimuli–one that they can use to learn, become smarter, or one that they can become addicted to, and allow themselves to be debased by (WHAT THE FUCK WHY DONT THEY PLAY VIDEOPGAMES FROM STRONG STIMULI OR READ FUCKING HOMER IN GREEK INSTEAD OFT AKING IT UP THE ASS IN THE FEDS DESOULING PROGAMS?? WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM!?!?!?!? IS YOUR ANTUH HAVE NO SHAME?!?!??!(). As Bachman said recently, no one determines a woman’s sexual value more than she does–by either guarding it carefully or giving it away. Butthex is a two-fer-one on a woman’s soul, so it best come with a high price for the alpha. (WHAT TEH FUCK YOU MAKE NO SENSE ARE YOU A FED EOCNOMIST? LZOZLZOLZLLZLZZL YOU SHOULD BE!!!”

    “If I have made myslef clear youmust have misunderstood me.” —
    Alan Geenspan lzozlzlzlzll

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  126. on July 27, 2010 at 6:16 pm greatbooksformen

    “Anonymous

    GBFM – I recognize the point you’re making about how some so-called betas were some of the most important men in human history. However those men weren’t motivated by helping their fellow man or human society as a whole, in my opinion… they were motivated by the pursuit of truth. I agree with this sentiment, myself… I take truth over comfort, pleasure, happiness time and time again.”

    WAHT THE FUCK IS THIS FUCKITY FUCKTARD DAY???

    are you sayingthat jesus and socrates weren’t motivated by helping the world and society?

    what did ben bernake and tucker max get to you thorugh your anuth in teh fed’s desouling propgram?

    socrates went to his death for his men of athens you fucktard to serve them you fuckity fuck ignorant fuckface lzxozllzlzlozlozlozlzlzlozzlzozlzl

    “Men of Athens, I honor and love you; but I shall obey God rather than you, and while I have life and strength I shall never cease from the practice and teaching of philosophy, exhorting anyone whom I meet after my manner, and convincing him, saying: O my friend, why do you who are a citizen of the great and mighty and wise city of Athens, care so much about laying up the greatest amount of money and honor and reputation, and so little about wisdom and truth and the greatest improvement of the soul, which you never regard or heed at all? Are you not ashamed of this? And if the person with whom I am arguing says: Yes, but I do care; I do not depart or let him go at once; I interrogate and examine and cross-examine him, and if I think that he has no virtue, but only says that he has, I reproach him with undervaluing the greater, and overvaluing the less. And this I should say to everyone whom I meet, young and old, citizen and alien, but especially to the citizens, inasmuch as they are my brethren. For this is the command of God, as I would have you know; and I believe that to this day no greater good has ever happened in the state than my service to the God. For I do nothing but go about persuading you all, old and young alike, not to take thought for your persons and your properties, but first and chiefly to care about the greatest improvement of the soul. I tell you that virtue is not given by money, but that from virtue come money and every other good of man, public as well as private. This is my teaching, and if this is the doctrine which corrupts the youth, my influence is ruinous indeed. But if anyone says that this is not my teaching, he is speaking an untruth. Wherefore, O men of Athens, I say to you, do as Anytus bids or not as Anytus bids, and either acquit me or not; but whatever you do, know that I shall never alter my ways, not even if I have to die many times. ”
    –http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

    WHILE ALLYOU FURRY HAT WEARING FUCKTARD LACK BALLS, SOCRATES HAD THEM YOU STUPID FUCKS MASHING WORLD OF WARCRAFTY BUTTONS IN YOUR SINGLE MOMS BASEMENT WHERE THE FED WANTS YOU SO THAT YOU BNEVER READ YOUR TRUE FATEHRS AND THE OCNSTITUTION WHICH TEHY DETSORYED YOU FUCKS:


    Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong – acting the part of a good man or of a bad. Whereas, according to your view, the heroes who fell at Troy were not good for much, and the son of Thetis above all, who altogether despised danger in comparison with disgrace; and when his goddess mother said to him, in his eagerness to slay Hector, that if he avenged his companion Patroclus, and slew Hector, he would die himself – “Fate,” as she said, “waits upon you next after Hector”; he, hearing this, utterly despised danger and death, and instead of fearing them, feared rather to live in dishonor, and not to avenge his friend. “Let me die next,” he replies, “and be avenged of my enemy, rather than abide here by the beaked ships, a scorn and a burden of the earth.” Had Achilles any thought of death and danger? For wherever a man’s place is, whether the place which he has chosen or that in which he has been placed by a commander, there he ought to remain in the hour of danger; he should not think of death or of anything, but of disgrace. And this, O men of Athens, is a true saying. ”

    –http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html

    you stupid fanboy fucks just keep pissing and shitting ion your diapers trying to get your tiny cocks wet as culture and cthe currency and your father’s heritage is repaed and butthexed into nothing lzozllzlzlzlzlzllzozlllzlzllollz

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  127. on July 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm College Grad

    Roissy,

    Following your logic and that of other evo-psych advocates, it seems the evolutionary sequence driven by natural selection would allow for mainly the seeds of alpha males to be carried on to younger generations. A skewed ratio would thus be a natural biological NOT social change since there are more alpha males available for reproduction. Now you could argue that this isn’t the case because competition between the resulting alpha males continually leads to a different caste of social dominance. If that’s so, it seems natural selection would further drive out all beta genes from the gene pool over time. However, we know this is not the case. The only conclusion I can come to is that alpha male traits are less biological and more socially learned. If that’s the case then “game” in some form has not only been around all along, but just as important as it is now.

    [Editor: Half correct. The reason there aren’t more alphas with each passing generation is that the standard for alpha shifts relative to the male population as a whole. Women will constantly feel the need to date up. But this is a dynamic that is operational over very long timespans. In the short term, say within generations, game can boost a man’s relative alphaness, and thus his reproductive fitness.]

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  128. on July 27, 2010 at 6:21 pm greatbooksformen

    anonyous wriets, “Your implication is that there is honor in being a compliant beta in and of itself. I think that whether or not those great men were betas, they certainly were not compliant. They certainly didn’t find pleasure in being the backbone of the society in which they lived; frankly, they rejected and actively combatted their societies in search of universal truths.”

    HEHY YOU sTUOPID FCUK

    SOCRSTES AND JESUS WEREN’T COMPLAINT

    THEY WERE BRAVE AND HEROIC

    IT IS TUCKER MAX WHO IS THE COMPLIANT COMNFORMIST CONFROMING TO THE SECRETEIVE TAPING OF BUTTHEX WITHOUT THE GIRLTHS CONTHENT PHILSOOPHY SUPPORTED FINANCED BY THE BIG MONEY SODM AND SCHUSTER FED NECONS Llzlzozlzlzlozlzozlzozlzzlzlzlzlzl

    lzozlzozlzllzlz

    if you wnat to see what the dudes look liek who are psoting here look at the first few sedoncds of this vdieo and you will see that they are wearing fishnest stockings. all buff and counting calories and looking buff like john wayne and sean connery never did, and then to top it off wearing fishnets becase lady gaga told them it was cool lzozlzlzllzl to descrecrate and debauch jeusses higher epic soul lzlllozlzoozlozzlololzlzlz

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  129. on July 27, 2010 at 6:29 pm greatbooksformen

    holy shit that rox lzozllzl

    “Hey GBFM :

    Check this out:

    http://alturl.com/o2b8f

    #

    #
    “on July 27, 2010 at 5:20 pm sharpcool

    It’s obvious GBFM can write in perfect English if he wants.”

    lozlzozlzozlzolozozozlzlo no if you look back here you can see that neocn lady writers does not like my grammarz lzozlzlzozzlzl

    “THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SPELL BUTTHEX!!!!!!” lzozlzlzzo
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/07/neanderthal-game/

    Einstein stated that he never worried about the refinement and exact math but that the ideas are what are important. Because u suck @ ideas u have to h8 on my grammar. Lkolz! Neocons r so funny! Its ok 4 thousands 2 die on forewign shoresa but watch ur run onsentences lolz!”

    i have an idea for a cartoon.

    a girl is getting ass banged by tucker max as his friend films it without her consent just like in the story and book the new york neocons publish and profit of. the girl is yelling “help! help! please help me! ooooh help! i am getting butthexed and it is being taped without my consent!” and there, with a ruler, is standing a neocon womenz scoliding teh girl saying, “that is not how you spell butthex!!!””

    lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzllzlzl!!

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  130. on July 27, 2010 at 6:33 pm greatbooksformen

    do u ever wonder why

    the feminst wmovement

    coincided with

    1) teh demolition of the fmaily
    2) massive corproate corruption
    3) massive growth of government
    4) MASSIVE UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH OF DEBT!!!!!

    any of you fucks ever take you r hands off you cocks/playstation controllers long enough 2 wonder?

    women in teh wo0rkplace kileld america’s economy

    lzozlzlzozllzl

    as well as teh 50,000,000 unborn aborted so tehy could go into the workplace.

    other than ben bernake tucker max who profited?

    and whne you think about it tucker’s tens of milliosn of funded creative endeavors lost tens of milliosn

    lzozozlzozlzozlozzlozoozolzlz

    and yet teh neopcns wire bernanke fiat cash to him rewarding him for secrtiev taping of buttehxwitheout teh grithls ciontehttnty zlzollzlzlzl

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  131. sdaedalus–

    jeesh SD, not like you. No quotation mark or nuthin. I can tell what you’ve quoted from me but most others would have trouble I’d think.

    Was warfare good for betas in that respect e.g. it got them women they wouldn’t have got otherwise? No need for game (possibly not even consent) if you’re a conquering force? Alternatively, maybe being part of a conquering force is game?

    In general I think it’s pretty clear than primitive warfare tended to select for alphas. War party leaders and strategizers, who were also good in the conflict.

    Does civilization advance more quickly in a society where female sexuality is limited and controlled? Where female sexuality is uncontrolled in the sense that women can sleep with a lot of men without stigma, they may go for pure attraction in choosing men, there is not as much motivation for men to do things other than things which increase that attraction (such as game)

    Where it is controlled, in the sense that they are limited to one man, then they are more likely to choose on the basis of status and achievements, which encourages men to achieve.

    Yes I think that’s right. So does Roissy; he’s just surfing the wave as our civilization crests into decadent collapse.

    I don’t actually see any particular reason thinking in evolutionary terms why a society must be strictly monogamous to be most successful. Most polygamous societies are such to only a limited degree. Most married men only have one wife, but a few rich and powerful ones do have more.

    The real issue is which males get rewarded with poontange and offspring, and whic do not. (Bearing in mind that men’s primary motivation in sex is rarely to have children; the act was designed to be immediate gratification in and of itself.) It’s not all that problematic that the bottom 20 or 30% of men do not, from a social point of view. So long as it’s the civilizationally bottom, not some girls monkey brain not thug enough bottom.

    The real problem is when smart socially pretty well functioning nerd guys can’t get laid, but lazy charming do little alcoholics can. That’s civilizationally dysfunctional female choice. Because we need those kinda nerdy guys to do science and invent stuff and things, to be remain civilizationally competitive.

    Even when girls themselves alone chose for LTRs and marriage, let alone when their families have an important say, they tend to go for more civilizationally useful choices, than they do when thrill seeking alone is ok in the feminist slut permission mode, with maybe a shot at least they convince themselves if they’re sorta good girls, of a LTR with the alpha they’re giving it up to fast and easy.

    By the way most Yonomono marriages are arranged ones when the girl is very young, arranged to cement band alliances on a kinship system. So this gina tingle selection method of modern sluts is likely a monkey brain emergence thing, rather than how HG bands did things.

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  132. On the genital herpes, it could also be that the virus is more easily transmitted from a man to a woman than the other way around. Like for gays, I think the catcher is more likely to get it than the pitcher.

    On the whole hookup thing, women believing that other women are more comfortable hooking up, I think it is yet more of the poison feminists spread to the younger generation.

    Women are taught the feminist myth that they are the equivalent of men and they come to believe they should view sex as men do, no strings sexual release. The whole friends with benefits/hooking up is uncomfortable for most women cuz they become more emotionally attached to the guy they are fucking. But they are told they are somehow not as enlightened as their feminist sisters if they persist in attaching meaning to sex, so they figure they have some kind of hangup that other girls don’t have. The researcher’s interpretation serves the feminist myths, because those guys are all about political correctness.

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  133. Of course it is true. The question is, what ought we to do? My choice is to find a good woman, and settle down. Naturally I’ll keep doing the gamey things like you guys do to keep your meathooks off her, but I won’t be running around. First off, STD’s, and secondly, it sets a bad example for the younger generation, and encourages them (both genders) to keep doing that destruction-of-civilization thing. Some of us prefer to think long-term rather than with every twitch of our dicks. Even though I’ve had my kids and been snipped, it still pays to behave as if civilization mattered. The catholics still have a good long-term plan, and they might yet beat out the Mormons (we all know polygamy is a non-starter) and the most alpha of all religions, Muslims (technological backwardness combined with harems cannot stand).

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  134. All of this may be true, but so what?

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  135. on July 27, 2010 at 6:48 pm greatbooksformen

    lzozlozlzlz

    yah catholicism like dlady gaaga and madonna will save you from bernakified hcicks lzozllzo just keep telling yourself that zlozlzlzl fucknuts schmoe lzozlzl

    http://oldarchive.godspy.com/life/Breaking-Vows-When-Faithful-Catholics-Divorce-Tom-Hoopes.cfm.html

    BREAKING VOWS: WHEN FAITHFUL CATHOLICS DIVORCE

    When I was asked to investigate reports that young, on-fire, faithful Catholics were divorcing, I was surprised. But the more I looked into it, the more I realized that my surprise was part of the problem.

    By Tom Hoopes
    When Faithful Catholics Divorce

    “It wasn’t supposed to be like this.” That’s how divorce starts for the Catholic couples I talked to: hard-core, confession-going, Humanae Vitae—believing Catholic couples. Couples who know exactly what marriage is supposed to be.

    One man I spoke with, now divorced, took Scott Hahn’s Christian marriage class with his theology-major fiancée. Another couple, now divorced, made the twin sacrifices of building a large family and allowing the wife to stay home—because, in the ex-husband’s words, “Simpleminded me, I looked at every sacrament as precious and worthy.” Two others, now divorced, helped at their parish and were sacrificing to send their kids to Catholic schools. Another woman told me that, until recently, she and her husband published pamphlets on how to live a Catholic marriage better.

    Nearly every married couple at one point or another faces deep disappointment. But unless there is abuse, Catholic couples have very few options when things get really, really tough.

    They can either struggle to get their love back or struggle to live without it. What they can’t do is divorce.

    “Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law,” according to the Catechism (2384). “Divorce does injury to the covenant of salvation, of which sacramental marriage is the sign.”

    The grave sin of divorce infects everybody around it. It wrecks families and convinces society that Catholic teaching about marriage just isn’t practical.

    So why are so many committed Catholic couples doing it?

    http://oldarchive.godspy.com/life/Breaking-Vows-When-Faithful-Catholics-Divorce-Tom-Hoopes.cfm.html

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  136. i think mr. gbfm has read his thomas szasz-ololzlz

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  137. My observations match this 80/40 ratio you mention when it comes to the composition of the herds of food. However, those observations suggest a much different explanation.

    If left in the wild, males self-select themselves out of the gene pool, typically by following the more apt leaders a step too close to the Sarlacc pit.

    If you are encountering a problem with too many so called “betas” unhappy about food philandering about with a select, smaller group of males, then the more likely explanation is that your current social system simply does not give enough opportunities for the males to self-select themselves out.

    Do look at your history under that lens, and figure out if the times when the food claims they had it pretty good did or did not correlate with a large culling of the herd in some fashion or another.

    Sarlacc taunting is a particular favourite of suicidal food. I believe tey call it “playing chicken,” a very apt description as I believe “chicken” is one of the things the food eats. Really now, if they name themselves after some of their own food, it’s obvious they are asking for it.

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  138. @Gorbachev’s first comment:
    I think you are right that women will naturally work to disrupt the order created by men for men (the “patriarchy” as feminists disdainfully call it). But what gets me is that so many modern men seem to be in favor of it. Do you really want to trade all your creature comforts, and those of your descendants, for a little pussy?

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  139. You Beta fools, you want to fuck? Buy arms. Become soldiers. Make an army. Demand your share. Let the women submit. Let the alphas fear. This is how HAREMS are built.

    When the alphas fear you, they are alphas no more.

    When you acquire arms, when you become an army, Ben Bernanke and the fiat masters will piss in their clothes, their will know that their time has come. Then, and ony then, the fiat butthex matrix will start to crumble.

    Amen

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  140. “AHE- false construct I believe. Pretty sure roughly 7 women would get pregnant, by approximately 6 or 7 men.”

    Nope. If you want to assume only 7 women get preg — that part is trivial — but if 7 got preg it is unlikely it would be by 6 or 7 different men.

    think of it this way: each guy has a 1/10 chance for pregging each girl. the first girl gets knocked up -> each guy still has a 1/10 chance for knocking up the next one and so on — when one guy pregs one chick it doesn’t reduce his odds of pregging the next or the next– so highly unlikely you end up with 7 brides for 7 brothers so to speak

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  141. on July 27, 2010 at 6:59 pm A sphincter knows what

    Proof positive that no woman will ever have a child with any of you hag males. Your DNA is doomed to die out no matter how many ‘babes’ you bang because they will abort your offspring faster than you can say “I know game” or they’ll use the morning after pill.

    All of you dudes are going to become childless, old spinsters with raging herpes and genital warts. Good luck with all that. If sex is all you are about, that is all you will get. No kids, no wife, no long term relationship or companionship.

    You all could just go gay. It would really save you some grief and you can game each other with broomsticks and vats of lube.

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  142. <> site:wisegeek.com

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  143. Where did all the betas come from if the alphas were the ones reproducing throughout most of history?

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  144. on July 27, 2010 at 7:18 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Proof positive that no woman will ever have a child with any of you hag males.

    Aww, you poor deluded soul. The fact that players are more concerned with avoiding an unwanted pregnancy rather than finding a chick to knock up renders your argument invalid.

    Men, show of hands, how many of you have had a girl tell you she wants to have your baby?
    Our desire to have a child may be another matter altogether.

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  145. things are looking darker and darker for us beta males

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  146. on July 27, 2010 at 7:21 pm Trimegistus

    Jesus H. Fucking Christ, somebody ban GBFM or get him a lithium prescription. Just scrolling past his endless repetition gives me a headache.

    Okay, everyone, read these words: butthex, neocon, bernanke, cocka, lllozlzlzoz

    There! Now you’ve read everything GBFM has ever or will ever write.

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  147. Sphincter, game is just a collection of tools.

    Having good tools does not make a fool any less a fool.

    By the same, contempt and ire won’t make them less fools either.

    A bit of compassion and understanding the position they’re in and how they got there however, may open some minds to being educated.

    I’ve learned that in love as well as reproduction, barring physical inabilities, people tend to get exactly what they deserve.

    Nobody escapes nature.

    So don’t worry. Relax. Save the contempt for the shepherds who masterminded the replacement of western culture for corporate compulsion. The followers can’t help themselves.

    …but don’t underestimate them. Unlike women, men have plenty of time to change and grow, and nobody is coddling them from the full impact of the consequences of any of their stupidity.

    So let the young ones posture. It’s cute. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to catch something or launch themselves into reproductive oblivion. They’re just doing what people do when they first gain a new power: revelling in it. Don’t be such a killjoy.

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  148. on July 27, 2010 at 7:36 pm sympathy4betas

    dont worry guys.

    when all of the fake titted plastic surgeried women mate with the fake gamer alphas we will have a whole society of hideously ugly retards.

    see? it all works out in the end

    morlocks ftw

    lololololzzzzz

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  149. Very subtle with the name Trimegistus.

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  150. @Digby: I think you’re stuck on your own cliches but of the conservative variety, e.g., “women attach more significance to sex”. The conservatives believe that most women are directed by some higher moral ideal and hence naively believe women are crushed when what they thought was the beginning of a ltr turns out to be a one-night stand robbing them of the chance to perpetuate civilization a’la Penelope, Judith, the Virgin Mary and other positive female archetypes.

    All these situations occur in the context of fornication which all religions teach is wrong. So my question to the conservative who is ostensibly christian and says “guys are dirtbags when they fornicate with women and then dump them” – why isn’t the woman ever at fault in these situations? And why do you think something good will always arise from a moral evil “if only the man will get with it and make an honest woman of her”.

    She was taught like the male that fornication is wrong, but as Roissy points out apparently misguided women unaware of male nature are using the hook-up culture as a mate selection strategy. If women are co-equal with men they are equally at fault and should neither be let off or unduly blamed for sexual indiscretions.

    If women PERPETUALLY do this despite education and regardless of the harm it does them and society at large are they really morally equal? One thing that can be said is that there were never 50 million back ally abortions, no matter what the feminists and planned parenthood say. In order to placate the vanity of women that they were entitled to the same sexual license only dominant males ever had (the straw man “males” here are not the average males but the pack leaders) 50 million children had to be sacrificed in the process. The current situation as ordained by women is a moral disaster and a retreat to barbarism.

    Feminism is a trade union representing workers who are currently producing 1.5 units of production and are demanding more material benefits and societal respect than the preceding generations of workers who produced 4+ units of production. All women are in on that part of the scam.

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  151. Anonymous

    @Exsplat

    “But yes, sure, woman try to get the best genes and the good provider mixed together. Sometimes. Both drives are, however, distinct. You may not have noticed that?”

    Actually, no.

    I have a good provider with kick-ass genes. So do most of my friends, but you and I do live different lifestyles.

    Why do you assume that you have one drive that is being sated by this one man?

    Could it not be that you have two drives that are being sated by this one man?

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  152. I want to see gunslingergregi, GBFM and Biting Beaver have a debate on CSPAN3. Perhaps just the audio portion.

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  153. AHE,

    Good math insight there. This is the kind of problem I do all the time at work.

    (Fires up Microsoft Excel)

    If 10 women each pick one of 10 men at random to have a kid with, independently of how the other women pick (so no hypergamy at all, all men are equal but random) then (if I have not made a mistake, I haven’t checked the work)

    P(all 10 men will be fathers)=0.04%
    P(9 men will be fathers)=1.63%
    P(8 men will be fathers)=13.61%
    P(7 men will be fathers)=40.64%
    P(6 men will be fathers)=34.5%
    P(<=5 men will be fathers)=9.57%

    Each man has an average of 1 child, but for any given man,

    P(0 children)=34.87%
    P(1 child)=38.74%
    P(2 children)=19.37%
    P(3 children)=5.74%
    P(4 children)=1.12%
    P(5+ children)=0.16%

    If you assume that every woman has children with exactly one man and they pick the men at random, and assume an equal and very large number of men and women, the fraction of childless men will be 1/e = 36.79%.

    So the 80-40 rule is not actually so shocking. With random mating but women only get one man ever, if 80% of the women reproduce then the chance of a man remaining childless is e^(-0.8) = 44.93% — based on the Poisson distribution where each man has an expected number of lifetime fertile mates of 0.8.

    Thus 80-55 would be expected with no hypergamy, and 80-40 really isn't so bad — only 15% of the men got omega'd out of the game compared with random mating.

    Very counterintuitive. Thanks for the insight!

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  154. AHE – about the statistics situation proposed, what I meant was, you can’t construct a realistic situation where exactly all 10 women get pregnant. At least not in the same timeframe. One might get pregnant the first week, the 10th might take all year. The first one might be pregnant again before the 10th one gets pregnant one time. I wasn’t clear, but I was going along the lines of if you applied a period of say 6 months, the mode outcome would be 7 pregnant chicks, by 5-7 guys. I know what you’re getting at, but real life is more fluid than your example.

    GBFM – Wow, take a pill dude. I guess I threatened you pretty bad with my simple interpretation of what drove the great men you listed. You had a pretty good schtick going for a while but I think you let a crack show in your facade.

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  155. Sympathy, this is where you’re wrong. The male pill is coming out soon.

    In the recent past and current times, masculine women a.k.a. hoes and harpies, have more reproductive control than men. Once westerners were programmed to prefer that type, hoes and harpies could get pregnant because men were conned into preferring them as wives and long term partners, despite historically either shunning such women, or only having sex with them under the limited circumstances of prostitution.

    If a masculine woman wanted to be a wife, she had to behave like one. So hoes still got married, but they had to toe the line to some degree. That changed when child support and alimony laws allowed them to ditch the man and take his money.

    When the male pill comes out, men will be able to return to their prior state of reproductive control and not breed with hoes or harpies who don’t at least do the work to pretend they’re in love and would be good mothers.

    It’s gonna get interesting.

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  156. on July 27, 2010 at 8:17 pm greatbooksformen

    anonymous wrote “GBFM – Wow, take a pill dude. I guess I threatened you pretty bad with my simple interpretation of what drove the great men you listed. You had a pretty good schtick going for a while but I think you let a crack show in your facade.”

    lzozozozlzlzozl

    yah i know let your buttcrack show and it’s all over as teh cock doth goeth in and teh soul goeth out lzozlzlzozzl

    just trying to educate youz and speak teh truth so of course your first reaction is to drug me up and dumb me down as teh fed commands you to do lzozlzlzlzl why do you think so many young men are on ritalin adderoll as teh fed removes all teh great books and soulful works from teh schools which would keep their attentuion? lzozlzlozlzozlloz

    fed rule #1: drug up and dumb dwon all those who stand in the way of converting a debt based fiat currency into physical poreprty via preemptive wars, feminism, hype, bubbles, and lies

    lzolzozlzzo

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  157. lolzllozlzolllzlzlllz

    teh secret butthex tapings by tucker max for neocon fiat bankers lolozlzozlzz cocka butthex lolllzzl fro the fed and hundredz of thousandz of fiat dollarz for taping teh butthex without the girls consent lolzlzozlzlzzzlz

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  158. AHE,

    My comment with a lot of numbers is in moderation. Short answer is you are more right than you know. Very counterintuitive, random mating is much more unequal than you might expect.

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  159. Nestorius

    You Beta fools, you want to fuck? Buy arms. Become soldiers. Make an army. Demand your share. Let the women submit. Let the alphas fear.

    How’s that working out for you?

    You sound like a masculine version of a militant feminist. All about the utopia, nothing about the real life.

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  160. Men, show of hands, how many of you have had a girl tell you she wants to have your baby?

    I’ve had 11 or twelve pregnancies that I know of, so far. It’s getting to be a task to remember them all. One girl would fake taking the pill. After she did that the first time, I’d watch her take it daily. So he hid it under her tongue and got pregnant a 2nd time.

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  161. […] Intra-Group Fratricide and the 80-40 ratio July 27, 2010 dissention Leave a comment Go to comments One the most infamous piece of pop-research quoted on a number of blogs and books involves the ’80-40′ issue, such as here. […]

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  162. Schmoe

    Of course it is true. The question is, what ought we to do?…

    Your reasonings about working towards a better society make sense, to the degree that our social fabric stable or capable of stabilizing.

    In times of war, the women go completely nuts and fuck fuck fuck all the soldiers as if there were no tomorrow. In times of instability, notions of the social order are tossed.

    I notice a deep instability and existential threat that I believe also affects our notions of future orientation versus a get what you can get while the getting is good mentality. It’s technology. Technology affects society directly, and creates massive social changes. It changes even what it means to be human. We can use written language and notations and pictures to think outside our brains. We can interconnect our brains throughout space. We have mastered the on off switch of reproduction. We will soon master individual genes, both in our own body and in our offspring.

    Without technological change, you can justify future orientation. With it, it’s a gamble. Why play the stock market in turbulent times?

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  163. pupu has read somewhere that all race horses today are offsprins of two male horses.

    re: the high rate of prostitution during victorian era mentioned by sdaedalus. it is absolutely true. 6 percent, to be precise, according to some medical journal published at the time. pupu came across this piece of handy information from a recent playbill.

    ok, so much for today’s rumor mill. any further information will only be provided with a hefty charge.

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  164. This male pill might have a neutering effect, based on its action (some of the proposed table mechanisms seem to be based on reducing testosterone levels). Might have the effect of turning some alphas into betas.

    I think that game is very important, since it is the survival tool for us betas. That a set of rules and protocols can allow a man to boost his attractiveness to women by up to 3 points should be trumpeted in every newspaper, website and TV channel.

    Now if there was something that could allow a regular schlub to land Hope Dworaczyk….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Dworaczyk

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  165. @Vincent Ignatius
    <IMen, show of hands, how many of you have had a girl tell you she wants to have your baby?
    Our desire to have a child may be another matter altogether.

    In the past 5 years, about 3 a year.

    I expect another invitation shortly.

    So there, anti-game party poopers.

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  166. Grampa,

    That’s a good point about mortality in war-like societies.

    One other thing about the genital warts. It might be detected more in women, since women tend to have more check-ups than men, for smear tests and what not.

    Most men aren’t keen on doctors examining our todgers.

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  167. By the way, how come GBFM is able to produce these lengthy (and occasionally very funny) posts in minutes?

    Reckon he’s linked to this website, in some strange way. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s Roissy’s alter ego.

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  168. Lets not forget that in the last 5 – 10 000 years , multitudes of men have been sent to war to fight and die for the goals of the Alphas and High Statuts males above them.
    Upon achieving victory , naturally the first to benefit from the spoils of war were these Alphas and High status males.

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  169. on July 27, 2010 at 9:53 pm Aspiring2bAlphA

    Mr. C

    At best that’s a corrolary to Roissy’s post… pointless

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  170. who had more Game? hitler or stalin?

    men are more evil than need be for the same reason peacocks have longer tails than need be. chicks dig it!

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  171. sorry, misposted.

    I thought the 40% men, 80% women ancestors sounded like a crock, and it is. The Florida State prof who keeps promulgating this is interpreting the data creatively. Typical for a social scientist.

    The population outside Africa descended entirely from a group that left that continent in whatever year, and more men than women were in the group that left, which would explain why only 40% of that group reproduced. To prove the hypothesis of more women than men ancestors, I think you would have to examine African DNA.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081221210201.htm

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  172. If Ghengis Kahn were alive today I’d be the first to tack my wagon to his caravan.

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  173. Ouch! Such scientific evidence merely proves that the cultural imposition of monogamy is fading away and the biological norm of polygyny is returning. As it has been pointed already by some here and by scientists is that women choose to have the sexual encounter (otherwise it’s just rape). I heard of one study where an attractive male went up to females and basically asked them for sex and refused 100% whereas an attractive female went up to males and did the same thing and was accepted 100%. Unsurprusingly it has also been surveyed and confirmed the notion of “five minutes of Alpha is equvalent to five years of Beta”. Women will always prefer a time-share partner of an successful Alpha than be a full-time Beta lone partner if given the chance.

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  174. “My comment with a lot of numbers is in moderation. Short answer is you are more right than you know. Very counterintuitive, random mating is much more unequal than you might expect.”

    i know. the blogmaster here is good at the girly stuff but not real good at the math/science stuff.

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  175. just to show pupu was not lying and is endowed with terrific memory for crucial things — here is the reference on the prostitution data during the victorian era:

    “In 1857, the medical journal The Lancet estimated ‘that one house in every sixty in London was a brothel, and one female in every sixteen (of all ages) was a whore’”

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  176. pupu cant stop talking about hookers.

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  177. Rollo Tomassi – Thanks for the Haselton mention. I love the bit about single ovulating sexually-experienced women dressing like sluts (or saying they’d do it) around ovulation time.

    Dat_Truth_Hurts – That’s just Jews being Jews. Stop being antisemitic.

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  178. AHE,

    The bottom line is that assuming random mating and each woman has children with at most one man, and 80% of women have a child, then only 55% of men will have a child, not so much different from 40%.

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  179. There are a couple things worth mentioning.

    Something that isn’t taken into account is male deaths due to war. In ancient societies, it was common for the victors to kill the men, and enslave the women. There was a study that showed that 10% of the population of Asia was directly descended from Ghengis Khan. Due to the large numbers of men who died fighting him and his obvious Alpha status its obvious why he got lots of poon.

    That said, victorious soldiers tend to be alpha, so combined with the death rates caused by more frequent wars, I can easily see an 80:40 ratio as being accurate. I’m just skeptical that it is entirely due to female hypergamy. In Germany after the Thirty Year’s War polygamy was temporarily legalized to rebuild the male population. Thus, I think hypergamy is a part of it, but I do think the prevalence of war and rape in the old days were also factors. How much of a factor each of those things is a topic for debate and another study.

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  180. da truth’s video is amazing!

    AHE, pupu talked about racehorses too! but the prostitution data is a more brilliant demonstration of pupu’s arithmetic competence. the number simply shot out of pupu’s mind before she went back searching for the reference.

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  181. pupu cant stop talking about stallions.

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  182. “The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”

    Genghis Khan

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  183. on July 28, 2010 at 12:29 am Underachiever

    “Could a pick-up artist be charged with ‘rape by deception’?”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38430181/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

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  184. on July 28, 2010 at 12:39 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””Schmoe
    @Gorbachev’s first comment:
    I think you are right that women will naturally work to disrupt the order created by men for men (the “patriarchy” as feminists disdainfully call it). But what gets me is that so many modern men seem to be in favor of it. Do you really want to trade all your creature comforts, and those of your descendants, for a little pussy?
    ”””””
    I want my children to grow up free therefore I traded truth for the lies. Freedom for the welfare. love for divorce theft. intelligence with money for making a lot of money. people who can do for people whose minds are enslaved.

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  185. on July 28, 2010 at 12:44 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Vincent Ignatius
    Proof positive that no woman will ever have a child with any of you hag males.

    Aww, you poor deluded soul. The fact that players are more concerned with avoiding an unwanted pregnancy rather than finding a chick to knock up renders your argument invalid.

    Men, show of hands, how many of you have had a girl tell you she wants to have your baby?
    Our desire to have a child may be another matter altogether.
    ”””’

    A woman had my baby just to get the genes didn’t want my money mua mua hahhahahah

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  186. roissy pretends to be a misogynist but he takes his greatest glee in buttfucking the betas in the locker-room like it was on a mediteranean beach at sunset.

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  187. on July 28, 2010 at 12:51 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Someone will say: And are you not ashamed, Socrates, of a course of life which is likely to bring you to an untimely end? To him I may fairly answer: There you are mistaken: a man who is good for anything ought not to calculate the chance of living or dying; he ought only to consider whether in doing anything he is doing right or wrong – acting the part of a good man or of a bad. Whereas, according to your view, the heroes who fell at Troy were not good for much, and the son of Thetis above all, who altogether despised danger in comparison with disgrace; and when his goddess mother said to him, in his eagerness to slay Hector, that if he avenged his companion Patroclus, and slew Hector, he would die himself – “Fate,” as she said, “waits upon you next after Hector”; he, hearing this, utterly despised danger and death, and instead of fearing them, feared rather to live in dishonor, and not to avenge his friend. “Let me die next,” he replies, “and be avenged of my enemy, rather than abide here by the beaked ships, a scorn and a burden of the earth.” Had Achilles any thought of death and danger? For wherever a man’s place is, whether the place which he has chosen or that in which he has been placed by a commander, there he ought to remain in the hour of danger; he should not think of death or of anything, but of disgrace. And this, O men of Athens, is a true saying. ”
    ”””””
    got chills on that shit gbfm.

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  188. I have a neighbour that is 30 sth male, he is a virgin, he is creepy and highly neurotic, i fear he will one day go completely nuts from his situation, he is always inside the house, doesn’t have a job, never had. I will not go into details or the problems me and him have, but i want to ask, how common is this scenario among men? Virgins throughout life? I always thought he was one sad but rare phenomenon, but perhaps not.

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  189. on July 28, 2010 at 1:09 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””Now if there was something that could allow a regular schlub to land Hope Dworaczyk….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Dworaczyk””””

    Yea dude that is where money comes in you could just buy her.
    lol
    Don’t ya get it after the game and all the other shit.
    Just make sure you have a shitload of cash.
    All the actresses and porn stars and movie stars and models and all the their paid woman are more than likely willing to give up that booty for cold hard cash.
    Or at the very least you could buy an hour of their time to kick your game. So really yea life is weak. All this dreaming of fucking models and shit and thinking you as a man couldn’t get them.

    It is just like people who think they can’t get rich.
    I can guarrentee that after I am paid. I could be fucking some of the bitches you see on tv. Just that really I don’t find hos in movies as attractive as I find a lot of real life woman. But yea if one catches my eye I will not feel like I have no chance I will just get in touch with her agent and have the agent set up a meeting or fuck session.
    a=b fellas

    You must internalize that you could do anything.
    but yea. Because think about this those actresses get naked in movies kiss guys they don’t know and work that ass for money in front of a bunch of other working class joes holding cameras and shit. What makes you think the woman you see on tv are unobtainable? The reality doesn’t bare this out.

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  190. on July 28, 2010 at 1:23 am Gunslingergregi

    Because actresses and shit get paid

    money

    to get naked and fuck

    and they don’t mind and nobody worries about it

    it is normal

    then your supposed to worship that as cool

    but you can’t realize that you can do the same thing

    You as a man can have the same power as a movie studio

    he he he

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  191. “In 1857, the medical journal The Lancet estimated ‘that one house in every sixty in London was a brothel, and one female in every sixteen (of all ages) was a whore’”

    I wonder what percentage of pretty girls were whores. More than one in 16, I’d guess. And what percentage were non-professional opportunistic whores? Not even counting marriage to betas as whoredome.

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  192. on July 28, 2010 at 1:24 am (r)Evolutionary

    @Whiskey: you wrote:
    “The current wealth/resources is seed-corn being eaten by today’s Alphas/harems and we are looking at a return to scarcity.”
    Word. Of all the commentators here, Whiskey’s got the tightest grasp on what’s happening–a return to scarcity. Oil has been trading just below $80/bbl, which is the onset of the Red Zone, a point at which many oil-dependent industrial processes lose profitability due to energy input cost. There is no coincidence our economy tanked after oil reached nearly $150/bbl in summer ’08. When people and businesses spend too much on energy, much less money goes to servicing debt, and we have waaaay too much debt out there to take care of–there are too many claims on future profits. I won’t comment on GBFM’s many assertions on the fiat currency, other than to say he’s correct, debt = butthex.
    Resource depletion is upon us. Energy resources are running thin while everything from fish stocks to fresh water water diminishing due to population overshoot. This is a game changer, pun intended.

    @Tim, follows up Whiskey’s with:
    “In other words the USA becomes another Latin American banana republic…”
    Yep. We’re headed, over the next 10-20 years, or sooner, to a lifestyle more similar to those who grow our coffee, rather than to our European cultural forebearers. Well, they are headed for third world lifestyles, too, with the pending sovereign debt defaults of Greece, Spain, Italy, and more.
    How will this change Game?
    Again, quoting Whiskey:
    “A new Dark Ages is being born, one in which gangs of men simply take, women are nothing but property for the strongest, patronage includes lots pillage and other things, and some brutalist lord will establish monogamous norms to rebuild a wide-deep advantage.”
    It may not go that far initially, but certainly as civilization weakens and crumbles, at some point the paleolithic alpha traits–the ability to defend one’s self and one’s harem with physical violence or treachery, will likely rise to the fore, perhaps slowly, or perhaps with a bullet.
    Society may not even need to be truly dangerous in order to change women’s choices–just being perceived as being a character willing and able to defend one’s self and one’s mate could signal reproductive fitness when social conditions are dicey. Reading field reports from places like Medellin, Sao Paolo, certain parts of Mexico, it’s apparent that the hottest women in those environments often get major tingles for the men they know can take care of business–the gangsters, the cartel bosses, the liutenants who command a squadron of tough mo’fos. This is a very different sort of meaning for social dominance.
    Conversely, in the same societal conditions, men who act with foresight and prudence, who can stay cool under difficult conditions, who exude confidence, who maintain state, frame, and leadership–these are the men of the future who will be building harems on the regular.
    We as a society, as a race of humans, musts go backwards in some ways, to our roots. We must peel back the mask of civilization, especially those parts that have not served us well. We must cultivate an enlightened sort of atavism.
    It is men who practice game who are in the best position to do so, for we’ve already shuffled off the coil of political correctness, and begun taking steps to reclaim our authentic masculine power. We will, we are, and we shall be, the alphas who rebuild humanity into something great. We’ll be teaching our sons game, social dominance, and other matters of great import, before their first decade is out.

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  193. on July 28, 2010 at 1:28 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    @Roissy
    “Had our sympathies been retroactively indulged, we might still today be digging in the dirt for tubers and termites instead of arguing about the oppressive patriarchy.”

    To the famous Monty Python:
    Large Man with Dead Body: Who’s that then?
    The Dead Collector: I dunno, must be a king.
    Large Man with Dead Body: Why?
    The Dead Collector: He hasn’t got shit all over him.

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  194. The science of the male vs. female reproduction disparity: some, not all, male/female reproductive disparity is caused by a small number of men impregnating many women, though polygamy, spoils of war, etc. One interesting anecdote, y chromosomes thought to be descended from Ghenghis Kahn and his male relatives are found vastly out of proportion to their numbers, suggesting that these guys impregnated around half the women in Asia. Maybe the first recorded instance of the alpha male? Other things contributed as well, such as immigration patterns and men somehow having a longer generation time than women, which I don’t completely understand.

    The search is still on for the science that proves your hypothesis.

    http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/21/11/2047

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  195. on July 28, 2010 at 1:36 am Gunslingergregi

    Or look at it this way did anyone see j complaining that hollywood was eating up and spitting out a ton of pretty woman. Or that laws should be made to punish hollywood for monopolizing the bitches in the top percent of prettiness.
    Of course not because it is ok for hollywood to do it.
    But bad for a regualar guy to try to get some action.
    Bad for a regular guy to get some quality pussy all to himself.
    Horrible we must pass laws to make men suffer.
    lol the shit is definetly out of fucking hand.
    When in front of your faces every day you have woman whoring themselves for money.

    I am probably just pissed I can’t get hollywood bitches in my harem yet. But when I can he he he

    Anyone else notice trinity’s degradation through the trilogy went from some baby fat to skin and bones. Used up a bitch that a beta could have been fucking.

    Might want to include hollywood in the bernake speil gbfm.
    Because they the ones robbing some quality pussy from men and nobody cares. People only care about some vague man getting some happiness.

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  196. Thanks (r)Evolutionary. While its true history does not repeat itself endlessly, the fall of the Roman Empire tends to occupy Western minds constantly. It had existed, seemingly invincible, for nearly 400 years, the Republic for 300 years before that. By 397 the Vandals, the Visigoths, the Alans, the Huns, were all over-running Gaul, Spain, sacking Rome, ruling North Africa (and the Western Seas), Britain was abandoned, and Rome a mere shell. It took remarkably little time to fall, and all that mattered in the end was how many men with swords and spears a man could muster.

    To muster them, he had to provide them bounty. They weren’t there to farm, that’s for sure. Rome in 218 BC could lose 40K, 50K, 80K at the battles of Trebia, Lake Tresimene, and Cannae respectively and still win, 500 years later the loss of 10K meant doom.

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  197. Virgins throughout life? I always thought he was one sad but rare phenomenon, but perhaps no.

    bictopia, that must be extremely rare. however, in japan there are young men called herbivores who are heterosexual but they don’t want sex or girlfriends. they just want to hang out at the salon and get their hair and nails done and play video games. they’re not gay, they just don’t want to have sex with girls. it’s very strange, I don’t understand it, but there you go.

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  198. Let me add the reason for Rome’s victory over Carthage, and the brilliant Hannibal, better than any Roman commander (who ever lived) was that they could raise army after army after army of small olive farmers who would die to keep their sons from slavery. They were defeated by a bunch of guys who basically pointed to the Romans and said “Attack!” because most of the Empire was slave or immigrant, with no loyalty. They had a thin crust and that was it (which was the insight of Sherman vs. the South’s soldiers as well).

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  199. on July 28, 2010 at 1:58 am Gunslingergregi

    ”’We’ll be teaching our sons game, social dominance, and other matters of great import, before their first decade is out.””””

    Hell to the fuck yea. My goal is to send supermen forth into the world. Armed with the truth.

    Course if they kick back some loot and hos back to dad in his old age from around the world I won’t be disapointed he he he

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  200. on July 28, 2010 at 2:04 am greatbooksformen

    lzoozlzolzozlozlzozlozlzoozlzozzl

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  201. on July 28, 2010 at 2:14 am Gunslingergregi

    Or yea my dad was pissed when I tried to pass some hos down to him because he is focused on his eternal pain in the form of not getting any sex until he dies because of religion.
    He got mad when I tried to break him out of his stupor.
    He was happy when I brought him to a strip club and had a young stripper all up on his nuts hanging on his every word of the stories he told.
    But then the anger set in because he was like fuck I could be happy getting some hoes so he clamped down on that shit. Then became pissed that I had no moral quames about fucking hos every day and having a good time in my life.
    He was like do you really think a chick that young could like me?
    I am like yea dad your a cool dude man. You have done a lot of shit with your life. You have shit to offer younger woman which is your brain and what you know and your ability to tell stories and to be able to pass down the shit you have learned in your life. Doesn’t matter what you look like doesn’t matter your age. You should have a good time and get some lovin.
    I couldn’t break him out of the religious mold and show him he had shit to offer chicks and wouldn’t be taking advantage.
    I tried to help him out of love and because he is my dad.
    Some people don’t want to be reached.
    Some people cannot be saved from the oppression of religion.
    Maybe he will go to heaven maybe there is nothing.
    I cannot help but think if there is a god he would want a man with that much knowledge not want to share it with some nice hos.
    I think the dude was just being selfish really he he he
    God gonna be like wtf dude I gave you all these gifts to get woman and you didn’t use them they hung on your every word and loved it but you forsook them.

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  202. gbfm — lllolozlzlolozlolzozlzozlzozlzozlolzozlzol!!

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  203. Yes i think so as well, that it has to be very rare, i just wonder if anyone knows similar types around them, i feel it might be a dark number here, as these people are so introvert, they disappear from society and social circles. Perhaps he will not be part of any relevant statistical charts.

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  204. Do not lament the betas.

    With game being universally accessible, there will be no excuses for non-performance.

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  205. i understanf flying planes into buildings. sure im on acid walking thru a srtange city. but why not kill the asscocks? why not? im no towelhead yet i get killing the asscocks.

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  206. on July 28, 2010 at 2:33 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’bictopia
    Yes i think so as well, that it has to be very rare, i just wonder if anyone knows similar types around them, i feel it might be a dark number here, as these people are so introvert, they disappear from society and social circles. Perhaps he will not be part of any relevant statistical charts.””””’

    So why don’t ya throw him a fuck bictopia. Whats stopping you? Change his mind about life with that pussy. Instead of just looking for a way to fuck him up more lol
    Have the guts of a real woman who can spread some love instead of just bullshit.

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  207. on July 28, 2010 at 2:45 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””'(r)Evolutionary
    Of all the commentators here, Whiskey’s got the tightest grasp on what’s happening–a return to scarcity. ””’

    Of the commenters here whiskey least understands the concept of love.

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  208. on July 28, 2010 at 2:48 am Gunslingergregi

    Of course I mean male commenters. I think the female commenters from the west have a really thin grasp on it.

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  209. Whats stopping me? He is dangerous, and repulsive.

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  210. on July 28, 2010 at 3:38 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea well what other thing could females have that could be able to give them a little bit of the power of what it means to have male courage. This is the second time you have brought that up and he hasen’t killed you yet so yea probably not that dangerous to you.

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  211. on July 28, 2010 at 3:41 am You Know I'm Right

    “Exhibit A: 80% of women and only 40% of men reproduced in human history – Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.”

    So around 80% of women throughout history, give or take a few percentage points, have given birth to at least one child (often more). Meanwhile, only around 40% of men have reproduced: and that means that about 60% of men throughout history have been left out of the mating game, even more in certain cultures and societies. To make matters worse, many of those men who were left out of the mating game were often some of the smartest men: the geniuses, autistics, nerds, scientists, workaholics, artists, introverts, mystics, philosophers, etc.

    So the pattern we see throughout history is that the vast majority of women in history have managed to reproduce even if they were losers, sociopaths, morons, mentally ill, psychos, etc because it wasn’t at all difficult for women to get a male to impregnate her. Meanwhile many good men fell by the wayside and were unable to mate because women held that power.

    This fact that such a huge percentage of loser females have reproduced throughout history has obviously had a very dysgenic effect on the overall human gene pool over the millennia. What we have here is a bunch of loser females dragging down the human average, of women mismanaging the inborn power they have over reproduction. Meanwhile, another major dysgenic trend is the 60% or so of men of varying quality – many who were highly talented as stated above – who never had a chance to reproduce.

    Overall the dysgenic macro-trends look very bleak.

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  212. on July 28, 2010 at 3:50 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea well I took a dangerous and repulsive black chick under my wing and changed her life.
    What have you done?
    he he he

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  213. Well its complicated, i tried to help him some years ago, finding him a school so he could learn English or Computers, i even applied for him to one school, but i’m not sure if it was pride and so but he told he got into a really god business, that would magically make him rich, he promised that if it did turn sour he would go back to school. He never did, and we had good neighbour relations for years until one day he got very angry at me, i don’t know what i did. And since then he has kept throwing stones at my dog, steeling my trash bin several times, screaming over the fence, pouring water over or snow, sending amounts of letters of what i should do in my garden. so it is not easy, i for one will not go close to him ever again.
    He is living with is mom, which is good because she is damping his neurotic side, he never crossed a certain line no, bit he is always on it, constantly.
    I think i will not write more about him, i feel bad i brought him up.

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  214. Biktopia: “He is dangerous, and repulsive.”

    He will become more dangerous and repulsive with all the negative interaction between you and him. Next time, pass by him wearing sexy clothes. This will raise the level of testosterone in him, and he will become more dangerous than ever. Keep on feeding fire with fire.

    One day, this man and all the thousands like him, will find the path. They will leave the room and see the light. They will put their armors like Achilles and will join the fight. Will he still be dangerous and repulsive then? No, because you will have submitted to him de facto.

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  215. on July 28, 2010 at 5:00 am Gunslingergregi

    So ya never threw him the pussy eh
    he he he
    That is why he is pissed.
    But yea he prob just needs to get a hooker or maybe an asswhooping quit acting like a bitch.
    Or maybe some game.
    The thing is guys aren’t encouraged to buy pussy to help get their confidense up.
    They are only taught to pine with onitis for a chick and give her their power.
    Then of course their gonna be pissed when onitis doesn’t work.
    Then they can’t commit suicide either and leave the world.
    So really for a man in west it is one big circle fucking going on if they try to follow every little rule.
    But yea why I say exterminate west every man in an asian country can go grab some pussy no prob.
    Fuck the west and its circle jerk.

    So basically he wanted to be successful just that his mom couldn’t teach him how nor could he teach himself.
    I think it is cute though that you wanted to help.
    Yea there really is no safety net for men in the west. Unless they join army in the west. There is nothing no legalized hookers no fucking shit but normally woman who hate them for not succeeding.
    Whereas woman in west are given a massive safety net which actually ends up fucking the lower men in west even more. Because woman don’t have to worry about ending up on street and being forced to settle or die. They can get a free place to live and free food.
    Men don’t get shit free.
    It is what fucks up the natural order. Men and woman should both have no safety net so they can be under natural conditions. But only the men live under the natural conditions and woman are under some welfare magical condition.

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  216. on July 28, 2010 at 5:08 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh wait no not true men are under unatural conditions too. There safety net is jail.

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  217. Betas are fine as long as they don’t take any of the women who are past their prime and who have already been worn out by the alphas.

    Coerced marriages are a double-edged sword. More men may have been guaranteed young wives and the chance to pass on their genes. But marriages are long-term arrangements and women’s youthful charms don’t last very long. Those men would end up supporting children along with no-longer attractive and annoying wives.

    The contemporary beta can easily have lots of free time, freedom, disposable income and doesn’t have to work too hard unless he wants to. He doesn’t have to support a family. All betas need to do is avoid the women who want to settle down with a nice beta provider sucker after spending their prime being giving it up to alphas for free.

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  218. on July 28, 2010 at 8:02 am namae nanka

    pupu

    “pupu has read somewhere that all race horses today are offsprins of two male horses.”

    pupu is thinking of something along the lines of this?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
    and this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam

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  219. on July 28, 2010 at 8:03 am namae nanka

    ““You have to have super tight game to sleep with 1000 men….oh wait…you don’t…””

    yeah the vagina replaces the game, hehe

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  220. http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:video:comedycentral.com:341471

    Chick realizes wall-hitting is imminent after years on carousel, pretends ‘anything but vaj’ = ‘abstinence’, writes about it. Hilarity ensues.

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  221. on July 28, 2010 at 8:09 am namae nanka

    “think of it this way: each guy has a 1/10 chance for pregging each girl. the first girl gets knocked up -> each guy still has a 1/10 chance for knocking up the next one and so on — when one guy pregs one chick it doesn’t reduce his odds of pregging the next or the next– so highly unlikely you end up with 7 brides for 7 brothers so to speak”

    the refractory period, the loss in testosterone, sperm counts does. not to mention a guy’s chances of dying up when leaving the cave go up as well.

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  222. I’ll weigh in on the Israeli court decision of rape-by-deception: I wholeheartedly support the Israeli court’s verdict.

    Two main objection to that decision are aired in this neck of the woods: (1) Gamers’ concern that Game is becoming criminalized, and (2) feminists’ concern about paternalistic guarding of one’s women.

    To address the concern that this is a precedent for the criminalization of Game — I disagree. Game gives beta men tools to be a cooler version of their real selves, not liars. I believe in ethical Game.

    Regarding feminists’ objecting to the “don’t touch our women” attitude evident in the decision — I support that attitude. Because it is a human universal. Men who lack a sense of ownership over their women and consequent action are either gelded, or their women are worthless.

    Besides, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Reverse the situation for a moment: an Israeli man lies about being an Arab to bed a Pali girl. Her relatives would kill him. For whatever reason, Israelis don’t do this community-based response, so the courts are stepping in. Good.

    I’d add one more caveat: if the girl were Arab, she would not escape shaming for slutting around. Neither shoudl the Israeli girl.

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  223. on July 28, 2010 at 8:16 am namae nanka

    deery

    “1. Male on male competitiion. Men will tend destroy each other, and literally cut off each other’s balls in an attempt to prevent each other from reproducing. Eunuchs/castrati were not that uncommon until fairly recently in the modern era.”

    I don’t think the men subjected to castration were sexual competition in itself. castrating male slaves had other purposes.

    “2. Males are more fragile than females, genetically. Many lethal diseases are sex linked, causing many more male infants to die, and thus fail to reproduce later.”

    sex linked diseases are like 1/1000s(conservatively), and dominant sex-linked diseases are more common in females.

    “3. Even when not competing directly for females, men to tend to engage in riskier activities, become more injured (and in the pre-modern medicine era, such injuries were often lethal). Thus also taking a hefty percentage of the cohort out of the gene pool.”

    more boys are born than girls, to supposedly overcome this effect.

    “All these factors may very well lead to the split percentage cited, without female hypergamy figuring into it at all.”

    no they don’t make up for almost all of it, though I will not conclude that it’s all hypergamy too. considering that women have not been in charge for most of the time??
    so either most men were:
    1) prevented from mating by other men
    2) women didn’t care for lower ranking men even if they were higher status than them
    3) many men underwent voluntary monkhood

    1 is probably the biggest cause of it, though of course it doesn’t mean that 2 has never been present.

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  224. on July 28, 2010 at 8:19 am namae nanka

    “Besides, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. ”

    if a girl tells me she’s legal but she’s not, then have I been raped?

    I kid, I kid

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  225. on July 28, 2010 at 8:26 am namae nanka

    J

    “I share your questions and a few more. Do these numbers take into account male infertility,”

    female reproductive system has more points of failure??

    ” early death from battles and childhood illness,”

    plausible

    ” the fact that slightly fewer males then females are born”

    i think it’s the opposite,

    ” and that girls are more likely in primitive circumstances (and even today) to survive childhood,”

    not that big of a difference,

    ” the fact that males are more likely to have various physical or psychological defects ?”

    not as big of a criteria as you would think it is, and i doubt “psychological” defects would have played that big of a part in the “primitive circumstances”. If anything they might have been more helpful.

    Think for a moment, how could this ratio have come about simply by less number of men, even taking into account that men don’t hit a fertility wall, and that if the number of women were that much greater than men then you wouldn’t have had all the war to get more women at all??(unless of course they were bitching for more jewelry)

    and the point about more men dying in combat:
    if supposedly the father of a child died in a conflict(considering that they weren’t staying behind for their children), so unless they threw out widows to vultures, there should have been another man who takes up the widow and has children through her. so in effect, more men would have passed down their genes than women.
    Perhaps men didn’t liked already used ones?

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  226. on July 28, 2010 at 8:34 am namae nanka

    as gorbachev has stated, science can try to prove it by finding stats and evidenec but common sense predictions are reliable if they are made by ones who have and can use common sense.

    anyhow,

    considering that 50% of men are taller than 99% of women, this comment hits the mark perfectly:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/proof-of-the-modern-american-harem/#comment-190915

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  227. […] many men single.  But single women can still get their fill from high status males; therefore in hypergamous times, the gap between male homosexuality and female homosexuality spikes.  During the Victorian age, […]

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  228. on July 28, 2010 at 9:11 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””on July 28, 2010 at 8:10 am PA
    I’ll weigh in on the Israeli court decision of rape-by-deception: I wholeheartedly support the Israeli court’s verdict.

    Two main objection to that decision are aired in this neck of the woods: (1) Gamers’ concern that Game is becoming criminalized, and (2) feminists’ concern about paternalistic guarding of one’s women.

    To address the concern that this is a precedent for the criminalization of Game — I disagree. Game gives beta men tools to be a cooler version of their real selves, not liars. I believe in ethical Game.

    Regarding feminists’ objecting to the “don’t touch our women” attitude evident in the decision — I support that attitude. Because it is a human universal. Men who lack a sense of ownership over their women and consequent action are either gelded, or their women are worthless.

    Besides, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Reverse the situation for a moment: an Israeli man lies about being an Arab to bed a Pali girl. Her relatives would kill him. For whatever reason, Israelis don’t do this community-based response, so the courts are stepping in. Good.

    I’d add one more caveat: if the girl were Arab, she would not escape shaming for slutting around. Neither shoudl the Israeli girl.
    ””””””’

    Well PA how bout thinking about it like this. If it gets to point where men are put in jail for lieing about their money or how rich they are or how successful they are.
    Then those same woman need to be put in jail for trying to commit fraud on the man and running a scam.
    You can maybe see that?

    ”””””’Besides, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Reverse the situation for a moment: an Israeli man lies about being an Arab to bed a Pali girl. Her relatives would kill him. For whatever reason, Israelis don’t do this community-based response, so the courts are stepping in. Good.
    ””””””””’

    Yea PA it is true that men kill other men all the time. No this doesn’t happen but if they do fine their are punishments for murder.

    Why do you feel that your personal preference for conducting your life must be legislated?

    And if it would need to be legislated then a woman choosing a man because of how much money or how successful he was should also be legislated.

    Why do you like every other pussy male in the west give woman a free pass on anything they do?

    I also believe in the truth shall set you free.

    But by your standard we should end up with all woman in jail for being users and wanting men who have more money than them.

    Oh wait no their should of course be no punishment for woman for anything they do. Of course any bad act is the fault of a man.

    I believe that woman can be responsible for there own actions as well as men without having to legislate every fucking little human transaction and having the government hold our hands from cradle to grave. But only ever punishing one side.

    See any of these bitches that get with rich dudes then get divorced and get mad money going to jail?
    Fuck no because they are not doing anything wrong right?
    lol

    The only cure is eradication. It is a poison spreading around the world.

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  229. on July 28, 2010 at 9:39 am Gunslingergregi

    If that was the case too I should be able to sue my exwife for fucking not working and lieing about wanting to work as a team to get rich.

    Woman are the ones who lie majority of time.
    They are so used to lieing that you cannot catch them.

    As of a couple years ago she still refused to admit that she cheated on me. And lied that she didn’t even when I had proof from her computer that she was a liar.

    But yea need to move on from that shit and be weary but guys got no protection from a law like that.

    Be woman saying whatever they want and any time they didn’t get there way gonna be a lie coming along the pike.

    So yea always gonna be unintended consequences like one day your son gonna meet a woman and she is gonna lie about him and then he gets to go to jail just on her word no evidense.

    Is that really what you want?

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  230. on July 28, 2010 at 9:45 am Gunslingergregi

    Oh shit pa tried to whitenight for j in a roundabout way.

    But yea funny shit dude.

    You can try to justify the insanity of the west but that don’t mean it is justice or that it ain’t gonna turn already superprivilaged woman into raging tyrants doing anything they want with imunity taking men and detroying them on a whim for any reason at all.
    I mean we are already there but if this shit builds momentum then it will reach ludicrus levels.
    And what about the poor woman that do that shit to the wrong man. Those bitches gonna be dead.
    So yea if your not gonna care about just another man getting fucked over for being a man.
    At least think about the woman who will be killed for trying to fuck over real men.

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  231. @ Nicole

    For the last 40 years every researcher has been saying the male pill is just 5-10 years away. I read one article where one researcher says they were getting close to clinical trials—but were holding back because the women surveyed said they didn’t trust their husbands/boyfriends to remember to take it. It’s bullshit:

    “A big drawback against men being in control of fertility is the fear they would forget to take a pill.

    Polls have repeatedly shown wives and partners do not trust their men to remember to pop a pill every day.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7857262/Scientists-invent-first-male-contraceptive-pill.html

    Could you imagine women being deprived of reproductive options because their husbands didn’t trust them?

    I’ll believe in the male pill when I see it. Until then, I’ll stick with the jimmy hat.

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  232. Short generic comment to test if I have been b a n n e d since my other posts are not getting through.

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  233. on July 28, 2010 at 9:52 am Gunslingergregi

    I mean actually woman already have sexual harrassment where they can fuck a man then say he sexually harrassed them into it get him fired and get promoted.

    There already is a precedent for how insane america is.
    Woman take advantage of it left and right.

    so now your gonna say it is gonna apply to the personal side of the world so now instead of sexual harrassment it is gonna be rape whe the woman consents to have sex with boss after seducing him and then says he raped her to collect even more money lol

    Like I said though there is only one way all this shit is heading down and to hell on earth in west for men.
    So yea get your pennies together and save loot to get the fuck out. But yea after a while countries gonna prob catch on that we westerners are just a disease. hopefully.

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  234. on July 28, 2010 at 9:58 am Chad Buffington

    Off-topic from Newsweek:

    “Could a pick-up artist be charged with ‘rape by deception’?
    In wake of Jerusalem conviction, U.S. legal experts weigh-in

    by Ryan McCartney”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38430181/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

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  235. “Well PA how bout thinking about it like this. If it gets to point where men are put in jail for lieing about their money or how rich they are or how successful they are.
    Then those same woman need to be put in jail for trying to commit fraud on the man and running a scam.”

    Dude, everything women do is a scam. If “rape-by-deception” were applied equally across the sexes, there wouldn’t be a free woman anywhere. I can’t tell you how many women I slept with because I was mislead about how big their boobs were (push-up bra, implants), how nice their calves were (heels), how attractive their face was (make-up), or how long their hair was (wigs, extensions). The list could go on. Rape-by-deception is a way of life for women. But it’s a only a crime when we do it.

    godwhatasickworld.

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  236. Obviously, your grasp of basic science is shaky (or, nonexistent).

    These evolutionary studies are done using mitochondrial DNA, which is better preserved due to its location in the mitochondrion and is inherited in an exclusively maternal fashion.

    Get a textbook, CR, and do a bit of background reading before spouting off as though you know something about genetics.

    [Editor: Hey, if you’ve got a problem with the science, take it up with the study authors.]

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  237. @ Chad Buffington

    I’ve been banging that drum around here for the past week. PUAs & Gamesmen are next—we’re next, goddamn it. Once shit like this becomes acceptable it’s only a matter of time.

    I continue to believe that Game is the last refuge. But the terrain just got a little more dangerous.

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  238. Gunslinger, I didn’t say anywhere that women should be given a green light to deceive or exploit men.

    Unless fixing themselves up to look hot is “deception.” That I am more than OK with. That’s equivalent to a man learning Game.

    Lying to a girl about something substantial is equivalent to a chick lying to you about not having VD or being on a pill. Let there be consequences.

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  239. But the terrain just got a little more dangerous

    Dangerous terrain has been the human norm since forever. Must be a reason for it.

    Historically, average men had only these avenues to poon: marriage, prostitutes, and rape. The fourth avenue, seduction, was somewhat available but has always been full of risk for the seducer, not to mention the girl.

    Today’s relative freelove scene is an abnornality, and a grossly unstable arrangement. Enjoy it if you can, but be aware that it’s not here to stay because at some point history and human nature will reassert themselves.

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  240. Anonymous

    care to elaborate?

    maternal ancestry is from mitochondrial DNA, paternal via Y chromosome.

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/05/the-missing-men-in-your-family-tree/

    http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/21/11/2047

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  241. bictopia,
    Your neighbor might be schizophrenic or have some other serious mental problem. It sounds like you have been very nice to him and he has fixated on you because of that. You shouldn’t feel guilty about having to distance yourself from him, though, he definitely should not have thrown rocks at your dog. I feel bad for his mother.

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  242. on July 28, 2010 at 10:59 am Gunslingergregi

    So you don’t think it is considered fraud when any woman marries and then divorces guy and gets something in monetary form of payments to her?

    ”””””PA
    But the terrain just got a little more dangerous

    Dangerous terrain has been the human norm since forever. Must be a reason for it.

    Historically, average men had only these avenues to poon: marriage, prostitutes, and rape. The fourth avenue, seduction, was somewhat available but has always been full of risk for the seducer, not to mention the girl.

    Today’s relative freelove scene is an abnornality, and a grossly unstable arrangement. Enjoy it if you can, but be aware that it’s not here to stay because at some point history and human nature will reassert themselves.
    ””””””’

    Historically men have been treated as wallets by woman but that don’t mean it isn’t fraud. It just always comes out with christians always want to punish people never want them to die. You think a palastinean killing the dude is wose than the dude getting life ruined and forced to live it?
    Everyone says back in the day it was better but you look at us history and it is always fucked up for men. And never are they god forbid allowed to be free to make choices. Poor nice guys everyone wants to fuck them.
    Whiskey is right about that. Men and woman both hate hate hate betas lol it is freakin amazing

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  243. on July 28, 2010 at 11:04 am Gunslingergregi

    So you don’t think it is considered fraud when any woman marries and then divorces guy and gets something in monetary form of payments to her?

    ”””””PA
    But the terrain just got a little more dangerous

    Dangerous terrain has been the human norm since forever. Must be a reason for it.

    Historically, average men had only these avenues to poon: marriage, prostitutes, and rape. The fourth avenue, seduction, was somewhat available but has always been full of risk for the seducer, not to mention the girl.

    Today’s relative freelove scene is an abnornality, and a grossly unstable arrangement. Enjoy it if you can, but be aware that it’s not here to stay because at some point history and human nature will reassert themselves.
    ””””””’

    Historically men have been treated as wallets by woman but that don’t mean it isn’t fraud. It just always comes out with christians always want to punish people never want them to die. You think a palastinean killing the dude is wose than the dude getting life ruined and forced to live it?
    Everyone says back in the day it was better but you look at us history and it is always fucked up for men. And never are they god forbid allowed to be free to make choices. Poor nice guys everyone wants to fuck them.
    Whiskey is probably right about that. Men and woman both hate hate hate betas lol it is freakin amazing

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  244. So you don’t think it is considered fraud when any woman marries and then divorces guy and gets something in monetary form of payments to her?

    Where did I say ANYTHING about divorce and alimony?

    It just always comes out with christians always want to punish people never want them to die.

    Today’s sick Christianity is “pro life” for criminals. It doesn’t reflect my attitudes on punishment.

    And never are they god forbid allowed to be free to make choices.

    With choices come consequences. Girls are not hatchlings free of kinship to other men. Girl who gets banged on false premises is another man’s daughter and thus seducing her is a crime against the other man. Who should also be free to mete out his own sanctions against her sluttiness.

    Geez Gunslinger, a lot of MRAs have this immature attitude of mens’ rights applying only to men who wanna freefuck. What about the rights of fathers to punish his daughter’s seducer (and her as well)?

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  245. Historically men have been treated as wallets by woman .

    Historically women have been treated as wombs by man.

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  246. What PA said. All of you people not thinking long-term will not last a generation, obviously. @gbfm, I was not talking about hypocritical American Catholics, I was talking about the people whose culture is still based around it, like Mexico or Italy, and with a healthy dose of macho thrown in so that all game is equal among men, more or less.

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  247. @Doug 1 at July 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I’m sure the scenario you describe was operative, but I’m not sure about the extent. While I agree about Mead putting her own spin on things to justify some of her own ideas and personal behavior, especially on sexual practices among her islanders, I think that violence in societies varied with time place and local conditions. I also think that while a greater percentage of women than men get to breed, they idea that 60% did not seems excessive It will be interesting to see how scholarly debate on this study proceeds.

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  248. on July 28, 2010 at 11:48 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’PA
    So you don’t think it is considered fraud when any woman marries and then divorces guy and gets something in monetary form of payments to her?

    Where did I say ANYTHING about divorce and alimony?
    ””””
    But that is my point woman already have in their aresenal
    against a man not following their wishes:

    sexual harrassment
    alimony
    child support
    false rape accusation
    lieing to detroy mans reputation
    have white nights naturally come to defense over any percieved hurt of their feeling
    Get away with murder or get very low sentance
    get lower sentances for crimes than a male
    have alphas willing to die to protect them
    can get away with pretty much anything they want
    can retire early by popping out kids
    hiring preference over and above because they have a pussy in workplace
    hiring preference because they have a pussy in workplace.

    do they really need any more protection?
    Isn’t it getting just a little bit crazy?
    probably not coming close to the benefit train yet.

    woman without any laws already have a massive benefit over men because they can aquire resources of men who have them by having a pussy.

    ””””Geez Gunslinger, a lot of MRAs have this immature attitude of mens’ rights applying only to men who wanna freefuck. What about the rights of fathers to punish his daughter’s seducer (and her as well)?””””’

    Your daughter has free will dude. She made a choice yea punish her if not an adult and raise her the best you can but why would you punish a guy she has sex with?
    PA I am 34 years old when I was young all the girls basically except the ones or prob including the ones that didn’t fit in where having sex before 18 so your vision of the virgin queen in states is bogus and that was in catholic school. That is the problem with guys your little girl is a slut.
    She is not an angel. But if she was an angel she wouldn’t be able to be seduced. See the problem. She can decide to stay a virgin based on your reasoning behind it. Or she can decide not to stay a virgin. You see how freedom can work.
    Like parents can give there kids actual reasons for not doing something. Then kids can make descisions based on facts instead of just because I told you. Should probably maybe discuss life with your kids to protect them.

    Then of course they go on to college where they get bernakified without any of your input.

    ”””’on July 28, 2010 at 11:07 am PA
    Historically men have been treated as wallets by woman .

    Historically women have been treated as wombs by man.
    ””””””
    historically woman have had the privelage of not doing shit and getting mens resources because someone wanted that womb that had already put in effort to aquire those resources. Or else if nobody wanted the womb then the woman would be required to toil the hours of a man just like a man.

    ””””Schmoe
    What PA said. All of you people not thinking long-term will not last a generation, obviously.
    ”””’
    Who is you people. I am one of the only ones thinking long term. PA has a son now. In the future PA better figure out where he is gonna move to so his son can have a life worth living. Where is your son gonna get a wife from the wife tree? How is he gonna be successful if he has to worry about so much bullshit and then the new laws gonna come down the pike as well?

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  249. @Doug

    “End all welfare and end all mandatory child support. Yeah there’d be a tough transition period. Maybe phase it out and one or two years of welfare to deal with temporary bad fortune would be ok.”

    There are welfare to work programs in some US states already. It would be interested to see their effect on illegitimacy.

    “Watch the out of wedlock birth rate absolutely plummet.”

    I’m not so sure. The drive to have kids is pretty irrational. A friend of mine teaches in a very low SES neighborhoood. The kids she teaches tell her that marriage is for rich, white people. The girls have no expectation of marriage at all. They view the boys as dogs, expect to be pumped and dumped and to have to shoulder the entire burden for supporting them while working long hours at crappy jobs. I see the adult versions of these girls at my mom’s nursing home emptying bedpans to support their kids. At any given time, there are several pregnant women working.

    ‘I’m now firmly convinced that most out of wedlock pregnancies are oops, are due to girls accidentally on purpose wanting to have a baby even without having firmly secured a mate, either consciously or more often partly or fully subconsciously.’

    I know you are. I think women who still believe that marriage is a possibilty, hold out for it. I also have observed fisrt hand think that even among high school girls, those with career goals delay sex and pregnancy. Research bears out the latter.

    “There’d also be more giving up kids for adoption to two parent families who can’t have kids, which is also good. (There’s a real scarcity of white children for adoption in this country.)”

    Good for whom? I’ve worked with emotionally disturbed adolescents and a dispoportionate number of them are adoptees. Many kids carry feelings of rejections and unhealthy fantasies about the perfection of life with their birth parents for years and become quite self-destructive. I have a cousin who was adopted and was materially and socially much better off with my aunt and uncle. It took her years of drinking, whoring and therapy to feel OK with having been given up by the two alcoholics who she finally sought out, met, embraced and loved as an adult. The parent-child bond is a hard and dangerous one to break.

    As to the scarcity of healthy white children to adopt, I probably have a less acedemic nterest in that than you. If you recall, I’ve mentioned that I had infertiloity issues and miscarriage before finally having my boys. Because of my work experiences, I was willing to undergo all sorts of painful medical treatment RATHER THAN adopt.

    And, as a mother myself, I really pity women who have to undergo the breaking of their bond with their child when they give it up. It kills me that so many of the men on this blog are cavalier about that and then call women names if they are not willing to flop into bed immediately with a guy who they know won’t stand by them if a pregnancy occurs.

    “As well women who initiate divorce 2.5x as often as men, most often for reasons of not really feeling in love anymore (often cause they had an affair but the husband doesn’t know or want to start looking without sneaking)”

    We’ve been having this discussion since Tipper Gore left Al “”for no reason.” Since then it’s been made public that Al’s had a couple of affairs and/or molestations.

    It’s really hard to know what goes on behind closed doors, but I suspect that when a long-term marriage breaks up, it’s because both parties want it to, regardless of who files. Just this week-end, a woman who I’ve always perceived of as having been dumped bu hr ex told me that she filed. I was shocked. When I asked why she told me that it was because that was how her husband wanted to you it; it was better for his career if she filed.

    I also related a story on Dalrock’s blog about a guy at a dinner party who regaled me, in front of both our spouses, with his theory that a “thirty year marriage is just too damn long for anyone” and told me how sick he was of his wife. Boredom occurs on both sides.

    “though it’s usually called something else (he doesn’t listen, etc.), would be much more incented to remain married and raise their kids in a two parent household.”

    I think that the break-up for what appears to be “no good reason” is far less common when there are kids involved. When there is a soft reason for divorce (fell out of love, man doesn’t listen, woman got fat), it tends to be a no child or grown children couple.

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  250. @x splat
    Anonymous at July 27, 2010 at 7:50 pm was me

    It feels like one drive, not two distinct drives, to me because my desire to have a good provider is linked to my having kids. No kids, no need for my husband to support me while I take of kids.

    As I’ve said here before, when we were DINKs, double income, no kids, we made about the same amount of money. He now makes twice what we made together then. He has to. We have to house, feed and educate our admittedly special-k kids. Other than that, I have no designs on “his” money, nor was I looking for a rich guy before I met him. OTOH, his ability to support a family is greatly appreciated. I do wish that he didn’t need to work so hard.

    I understand that your mileage varies, but I think your lifestyle attracts a different sort of woman than my husband’s does.

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  251. @X splat

    “I’ve had 11 or twelve pregnancies that I know of, so far.”

    Out of morbid curiosity, what happened to those pregnancies?

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  252. @Namae

    “Think for a moment, how could this ratio have come about simply by less number of men,”

    Good point. Someone on the thread did mention that when you look at the comparatively smaller number of men who left Africa and sired the rest of the world, it skew the numbers.

    My only point with in listing alternative factors was that I think there is more at play than hypergamy.

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  253. Dragnet asks, “Could you imagine women being deprived of reproductive options because their husbands didn’t trust them?”

    Of the few things I actually pray for, just in case there is a little bit of Santatude in whatever, if-ever the Higher Power may be, that is one.

    If people who aren’t burning stick to people who aren’t burning, then diseases don’t pop up out of nowhere. What guys have to understand about seemingly good, clean women though, is that whores don’t like sex. They like money. So a woman with a whore mentality can easily not have sex with others, delay sex with the guy, and lull him into a false sense of security, and get him to have sex with her without a condom.

    Stable guys should be careful for this reason, but in real life, careful is often forgotten when a guy is sure he’s with someone who isn’t sleeping around. The male pill or injections would take the decision away from the crucial moment, and prevent dragging other people down who didn’t ask to be here, and if they did, wouldn’t want to be born in a broken family, or to a mother who would use them as currency.

    So I pray the male pill comes out soon. It may be the thing to make trustworthiness and loyalty fashionable again.

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  254. Hey Laura.

    Thanks, i do feel that he is let down, not generally by me, but society, and his mom, and he as well should stop blaming others.
    There is also many other facts about the neighbour, one part of me want to explain the whole thing, the pathological relationship with his mom, maybe she wants to protect him, maybe she wants to use him for not being alone in old age, and chains him to her side, but i just feel so bad for even bringing him up, and there seem to be no solution to this, that is the worst in the situation.
    and actually i never think he liked me like that.
    But yea maybe he is Schizophrenic, or schizoid, i would diagnose him as highly neurotic, he seems to have a satisfactory grip on reality.

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  255. on July 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm Death vajra

    Trust me guys, I know one ultra-alpha male in particular. The most masculine, dominant jerk you’ll ever meet. He is quite literally a ‘stud’, that is he stays home all day and night and waits for Horney females to come to him. He’s banging about four a week, sometimes 2 a day, sometimes 2 at once.

    Half of them are married, the other half have boyfriends. None of them are single. He ties them up, sodomizes them, they drink his urine etc. And they keep coming back for more. Once in a while, they’re man will show up and he’ll give him a punch or a headbutt, the women love it.

    Me, I’m completely celibate. There is no jizz in my game. I refuse to accept the vile reality that is the human female.

    Have a nice day

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  256. Laura,
    You saying you feel pitty for his mom is like saying you feel pitty for Victor Frankenstein.

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  257. Don’t have time to read the posts… So, if someone brought that aspect, let I be forgiven.

    Wars. Ho did wars influence the 80/40 formula?

    It would probably vary based on cultural norms at the particular juncture of history.

    In general, because of wars, wouldn’t be there a relatively constant oversupply of women? One needs to consider that during battles, the death was distributed regardless the status (alpha. beta, omega), though it is possible that upper omegas could have been, at least in minor part, beneficiaries.

    One could also consider the situation in matriarchal societies where hypergamy was institutionalized.
    Minoan Crete, for example.

    The men were stripped of any verstiges of power, with exception of a figurehead king, who was rather a consort to the queen than anything else.

    There were three castes of men. Warrior/merchant, artisans/trades, and bums. The bums were actually used for genetic material. Kind of mellow Minoan hippies. Any male that displayed a modicum of aggressivity (wiminz domain, though in a social sense) was assigned to the warrior/merchant class (which would contain a large segment of modern alphas), at age of 12. This class was never home, they tranversed Mediterranean on their ships. And given that the Cretan females were essentially bitches, no wonder they offloaded and on another voyage they went, assured that they would find an ample supply of accessible females in ports they visited.

    After nearly a millennium, the social distribution took its toll. At 1500 BCE, there was a natural catastrophe that wiped out most of the Minoan fleet. There was not enough males on the island to cover contingencies. When Dorian Greeks reached Balkans and started to expand through Mediterranean archipelagos a couple centuries later, Crete was just a snack. They overran another matriarchal society in the basin-Pellasgians. Then there was no more matriarchy any more. These societies bred the seed of their own destruction.

    There were some matrilineal societies on peripheries, but they were patriarchal as the tribal decision were concerned.

    Back to the main theme. The main post’s conclusion seems to be offering itself, but I have a hunch it was not that simple.

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  258. […] on fire yesterday Good stuff at Roissy’s […]

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  259. on July 28, 2010 at 2:41 pm namae nanka

    “Good point. Someone on the thread did mention that when you look at the comparatively smaller number of men who left Africa and sired the rest of the world, it skew the numbers.”

    ahem out of africa theory is not really a good idea here

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  260. @Death vajra

    Trust me guys, I know one ultra-alpha male in particular. The most masculine, dominant jerk you’ll ever meet. He is quite literally a ‘stud’, that is he stays home all day and night and waits for Horney females to come to him. He’s banging about four a week, sometimes 2 a day, sometimes 2 at once.

    This was the life of a man I know very well, though older than me. He was 51, a writer/producer, and had a harem of 7-8’s, none older than 25. He maintained this for about 8 years, until I met him. Then he settled down with a scorchingly hot 9, who was and is utterly devoted to him. He can do no wrong.

    I asked him how he did it. Game? He asked me what that was. I explained.

    He said: He just treated women like they were whores, and they loved it. Especially the young ones.

    Very telling: he said that once he started bedding the 20-25 year-olds, more just followed. IE: Social proof and pivoting.

    At one point, he had two women at the same time compete for his attention; he obliged them, and they enthusiastically consented, spending the weekend with him – together.

    The guy was able to command threesomes.

    I was never able to manage this, but there was a time that having a hot girl just led to more hot pussy over and over and over again – and then, when one girls sees you with another girl she thinks is attractive, it gives you monumental amounts of DHV.

    It’s sad that women are this easily manipulable: But they are.

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  261. @Poly

    If 10 women each pick one of 10 men at random to have a kid with, independently of how the other women pick (so no hypergamy at all, all men are equal but random) then (if I have not made a mistake, I haven’t checked the work)

    P(all 10 men will be fathers)=0.04%
    P(9 men will be fathers)=1.63%
    P(8 men will be fathers)=13.61%
    P(7 men will be fathers)=40.64%
    P(6 men will be fathers)=34.5%
    P(<=5 men will be fathers)=9.57%

    Each man has an average of 1 child, but for any given man,

    P(0 children)=34.87%
    P(1 child)=38.74%
    P(2 children)=19.37%
    P(3 children)=5.74%
    P(4 children)=1.12%
    P(5+ children)=0.16%

    If you assume that every woman has children with exactly one man and they pick the men at random, and assume an equal and very large number of men and women, the fraction of childless men will be 1/e = 36.79%.

    So the 80-40 rule is not actually so shocking. With random mating but women only get one man ever, if 80% of the women reproduce then the chance of a man remaining childless is e^(-0.8) = 44.93% — based on the Poisson distribution where each man has an expected number of lifetime fertile mates of 0.8.

    Thus 80-55 would be expected with no hypergamy, and 80-40 really isn't so bad — only 15% of the men got omega'd out of the game compared with random mating.

    Very counterintuitive. Thanks for the insight!

    I think Poly pwned this thread.

    Case closed.

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  262. I think another question that needs to be brought into the discussion is how are they counting the lifetime of males? Are we talking about adult males or males measured from birth? If that is the case, then we would also have this breeding discrepancy due to other factors like early death from disease, war, accidents, etc. It wasn’t uncommon until about 500 years ago to kill all the male inhabitants of a town that was captured for instance. We saw this again in the recent Balkans conflict. In the Ancient World it was one of a number of acceptable measures for dealing with captured towns. Slavery is another major factor. A good bit of this discrepancy is due to an artificially induced caste system created by the society in question. Male slaves seldom got to have children of their own and in many societies slaves were 30 to 50% of the inhabitants. Serfdom was invented as a more benevolent form of servitude. Its major appeal for the serf was the chance to have a wife and family. Until about 1000, farms in Europe were worked by gangs of slaves. These were mostly men, as pretty women went to the harem. Charlemagne introduced serdom for its humane and ultimately more profitable advantages. It is also a fact that until about the mid 19th century, a couple had to have between 6 and 10 children to be able to have two reach breeding age. There were a lot of other factors impacting whether a boy got to pass on his genes than merely hypergamy.

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  263. […] has been flogging the concept of female hypergamy for a while now, and his latest arguments offer pretty convincing support for the principle. For […]

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  264. Tyrone, the Christian cultural overlay obscured any pattern that may have been previously the norm, so your example does not invalidate the initial premise. However, Poly’s figures are an entirely diff cup o’ coffee.

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  265. Also, another constraint. Unrestricted hypergamy could have been possible only in societies where panis did not require any effort except showing up. Usually in conjunction with circenses (modern analogues would be food stamps and TV).

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  266. Tyrone–

    Yeah.

    Social hypergamy for females wasn’t exactly the same by any means as female gina tingle hypergamy.

    Most marriages, and even most child producing couplings (which certainly aren’t entirely the same thing) through the history and pre history of homo sapiens have been, have occurred by arranged marriage. That and successful waring group girl and woman stealing.

    It was indeed true the through history warfare has quite frequently involved killing all the grown men and old women, and stealing all the young enough women and sometimes children. That or enslaving everyone not too old.

    Medieval siege warfare for a good long while had a code that if a city refused to surrender long enough, and the besieging army had been at it frustratingly long at it, that after the walls were finally breached it was too late to surrender and the city within was fair game for rape and pillage by the conquering army, most literally.

    See what I imported from elsewhere about a well and modernly studied almost pre contact HB tribe, the Yonomani, as well. HG’s got brides by arranged bride exchange w/bands they were thusly maintaining ties to, and by bride raiding, rather than primarily by girl gina tingle.

    The gina tingle hindbrain criteria for who current slut girls want to boff and who not is probably at least partly a primate survival.

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  267. Awesome post Roissy. I read Exhibit A and it was fascinating.

    The only politician who would end the welfare state completely is Ron Paul. Count on it.

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  268. bictopia
    Re: The guy next door.

    Have you seen Psycho?

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  269. All betas need to do is avoid the women who want to settle down with a nice beta provider sucker after spending their prime being giving it up to alphas for free.

    Many alphas have the same notion, only they apply it to women of all ages. Charley Sheen types aren’t keen to marry and enbabyfy anyone.

    Consider that not only girls who’ve fucked around with the bad boys before settling for the provider get old. All women do, and sometimes remarkably fast. One year, she’s 30. Three years later she’s at a whole different, lower, level of attractiveness. One years, she’s 41 with a yoga body and teenage tits. Three years later she’s got a bad case of grandma voice.

    Marriage has no future time orientation. All this talk of wiiping butholes during the cancerous final days are future think gone mad. Future think is leaving your options open.

    Men can always attract women easier when we get older. Maybe not always the twenty something hotties, but I’ll guarantee you this – if you marry – you will not be with a twenty something hottie in your old age.

    Me, I have a better than fair chance.

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  270. Polls have repeatedly shown wives and partners do not trust their men to remember to pop a pill every day.”

    You’ve got to wonder if her fear isn’t that she will get pregnant unknowingly, but if he won’t get her pregant unknowingly.

    My money is on it’s a control of reproduction thing – not about a fear of pregnancy thing.

    All unconsciously, of course, as we are dealing with women’s motivations here.

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  271. I continue to believe that Game is the last refuge. But the terrain just got a little more dangerous.

    You’re talking about that ruling in Isreal, right? A country a stones throw away from judicial stonings?

    I’d welcome such a ruling in a modern-era country. The shit tornado it would stir up would do a lot of good.

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  272. xsplat–

    My money is on it’s a control of reproduction thing – not about a fear of pregnancy thing.

    I agree. Aging feminists want the option to ooops rope him in, what with their way jacked up child support=stealth alimony laws.

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  273. Ya, it’s the definition of dissimulation to claim that you don’t want your mate to practice birth control, in case he forgets to use it, when you also have the option to use birth control at the same time.

    There are times when and places for female brain processes. Like when the blood rushes up to their face and they lose control of their voice box.

    The rest of the time, it’s iffy.

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  274. PA

    Lying to a girl about something substantial is equivalent to a chick lying to you about not having VD or being on a pill. Let there be consequences.

    What about a girl lying to you about her age?

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  275. PA

    Enjoy it if you can, but be aware that it’s not here to stay because at some point history and human nature will reassert themselves.

    You’ve got it backwards. Human nature IS asserting itself. What you are advocating is for a different cultural setup to assert itself.

    When technology changes, culture changes. It’s not a matter of enjoy it while you can, because we will soon revert. There is no going back.

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  276. PA

    What about the rights of fathers to punish his daughter’s seducer (and her as well)?

    What is a right, to you? Something innate? A cultural supposition? Do you have the right to food? Free association?

    I think it’s a muddle headed woulda shoulda coulda utopian thinking, and I think your utopia is a backwards dystopia. Women of breeding age controlled by their father, who has rights over anyone who wants to fuck them?

    I’m glad your thinking is not modern. Good luck with getting people onboard to your cause.

    ha ha ha ha ha.

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  277. on July 28, 2010 at 8:19 pm Robert Seymour

    Popular cultural proof of the modern American harem.

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  278. Death Vajra

    Me, I’m completely celibate. There is no jizz in my game. I refuse to accept the vile reality that is the human female.

    Principles, huh?

    Ya, they’ll do that to a man.

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  279. Poly, can you go over the math again please? Is your calculation based on the assumption that the 10 girls are sequentially knocked up? If they all got pregnant on the same day, would the numbers change? I’m not getting where your numbers come from. I have no math skills, but hope to get some sort of understanding of this impenetrable mystery.

    [Editor: poly’s math needs some clarifying on his premises. Let’s stipulate that 10 women hook up with 10 men, one man for each woman, totally random, and that each woman stays with her man for a minimum ten years. This would accurately represent a completely non-hypergamous society. In such a scenario, each woman would likely get pregnant by each man at least once in the ten years, thus putting the DNA ratio closer to 80/80 instead of 80/40. So I’m not sure where he’s getting his numbers unless his premise is that women get pregnant, give birth, and then immediately move on to another man in the tribe.]

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  280. Doug1

    The gina tingle hindbrain criteria for who current slut girls want to boff and who not is probably at least partly a primate survival.

    This assumes that the young girls lust didn’t often influence the parents choices, on both sides of the young lust couple-want-to-be.

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  281. As an explanation and according to my understanding, subfertility can’t be that prevalent: saw a statistic that estimated 9% at 12 months. Basically 1 in 10 couples, at realistic worst.

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  282. on July 28, 2010 at 8:55 pm namae nanka

    his maths probably is about simple probability?
    ten guys fuck ten women, equal probability of getting preggo by each guy. so if each man has to be a father then first woman has 10 outcomes, second 9, third 8 and so on.
    Total number of cases are 10^10.
    so the P turns out be
    0.00036288 = 0.04%

    after that one of the man can’t be the father, there are ten ways of choosing the unfortunate man, 9 ways of choosing for the two baby daddy from the rest and 9 outcomes for first woman, 8 for the next, 7 for the next. and so on..
    and I need to do some probability probs.

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  283. on July 28, 2010 at 8:58 pm i beg to differ

    lol someone is on fiya

    Aunti P. Says:
    July 28, 2010 at 7:28 PM

    The hilarity is, I made a very valid point that NOBODY could dispute:

    WOMEN didn’t ‘choose’ ALPHAS back in ‘the day’. The were FORCED into marriages like chattel or they were raped by warring tribes/clansmen or enslaved and forced to bear the children of their captors.

    It’s AMAZING that Roissy takes data and spins it his way without even THINKING that women didn’t even have CHOICES about choosing ‘ALPHA douche’ assholes.

    BETA men have it WAY better NOW that women can CHOOSE a man rather than being FORCED by ALPHA men because women often CHOOSE BETA men now that they even HAVE a frickin’ CHOICE at ALL.

    But, NOOOOOOOO. Those idiot fucking douchebags think that because ‘alpha’ dna ‘ruled’ the roost at one time, that means women CHOSE those assholes who raped/tortured/captured them.

    HELLO?

    Those men are fucking IDIOTS!

    Aunti P. Says:
    July 28, 2010 at 7:34 PM

    It’s tragically IRONIC that the ‘Beta boo hoos’ of the world think they are fighting ‘EVIL WOMAN’ for having a ‘choice’ now…

    HELLFUCKINLO?

    Are these MORONS insane?

    When women DID NOT have a ‘choice’ to choose who they wanted to fuck, the ALPHA males reigned supreme and took women by FORCE and WAR and TRIBAL shit and the BETA men were relegated to the shadows who almost NEVER got laid because the women were practically SEX SLAVES to the ALPHA males.

    Romeo and Juliet ring a bell? Juliet was supposed to be ‘pawned’ off in ‘marriage’ to some Douchebag and meanwhile, she fell in love with a romantic BETA.

    Ahhhhhh tragedy.

    Aunti P. Says:
    July 28, 2010 at 7:56 PM

    The hilarity is that ‘Alpha’ males think ‘Alpha’ is inherited. I’ve known men with 3 boys and one boy was an ‘alpha’ and the other boys were total, shy ‘Betas’.

    All of that ‘alpha’/’beta’ crap cracks me up.

    Especially since I used to be a ‘beta’ tester for programs back in the late 90′s. If you think about it…isn’t it better to be a ‘BETA’? You are the ‘honed’ one. You are the ‘perfected’ man and not the ‘Alpha’ first-try jump-start idiot with your dick in your hands and a beer sitting in your belly-hole.

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  284. re: 80% / 40%

    I am the only one here who’s read Robin Baker’s “Sperm Wars”? Monogamy + cheating, and the men’s sperm fight it out inside her.

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  285. PA, some people like to think that what we think creates our culture. That we agree on a utopia first, then work to create it.

    It doesn’t work that way. The first thing, the primal cause and mover of culture, is technology. What are our options.

    From that people work out ways to work with their options, and they tell stories to themselves about the MEANING of their life. They create a religious calendar based upon rice planting times. They create moral codes based around being unable to control reproduction and to avoid group conflicts.

    I wonder what social changes came about as small firearms became available. Did the French revolution happen about that time? What social changes came about concurrent with the use of the printing press?

    You can’t go back, PA. Society is not culturally created. It is technologically and biologically adapted.

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  286. Namae, that whole mathematical scenario is based on the premise that there are a limited number of females that must be made pregnant sequentially. It doesn’t model human societies.

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  287. on July 28, 2010 at 9:11 pm namae nanka

    “Namae, that whole mathematical scenario is based on the premise that there are a limited number of females that must be made pregnant sequentially. It doesn’t model human societies.”

    I agree, and wrote as such earlier.
    it was a simple test of deducing the probabilities of how many men can become fathers when 10 men and 10 women fck, assuming that their chances of pregging a woman are equal and do not change even if they preg one.
    I can’t know for sure about the veracity of all his numbers, but the first one is indeed so low that it would have been impossible for each man to pass his genes.

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  288. As for male contraception, Oleanic Acid at about 6 grams per day works, the effects are reversible, and it does not lower sex drive. It is non-toxic in rats. Not much work done in humans about it yet. It is manufactured in bulk quantities in China.

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  289. Why did ankourage make her blog private?

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  290. J–

    I also think that while a greater percentage of women than men get to breed, they idea that 60% did not seems excessive

    Unless the study is seriously technically flawed that’s the one part of it that’s rock solid. (It’s unlikely to be seriously technically flawed since it was published in 2004 I think and human genetics work of this type is a hot bed of scientific activity. We’d have heard if it was seriously flawed.)

    To be more accurate the one thing that the study established is that humans today from various parts of the world have twice as many female as male ancestors. Whether that means 80% of women but only 40% of men left offspring who in turn survived reproduce themselves on average, or a 60/30 split etc. isn’t really indicated at all by the study in question.

    What’s more importantly unclear is how much of this was due to male polygamy of one sort or another, formal, informal, cheating, etc. (with loser alive males getting shut out), and how much was due to males dying in warfare etc. or being forced into slavery where they weren’t allowed to reproduce by the social rules.

    As well female hypergamy, mating up, leading to females willing to accept harems hard and soft in the human past according to Roissy and some evo psych scientists, is really of two types:

    i) the gina tingle individual fresh young girl preference, which leads to selecting alpha males and reluctantly accepting hard or soft polygamy; and

    ii) social hypergamy, which leads to selecting the men with the most status, power and wealth, and also to accepting hard or soft polygamy in most human societies.

    I’ve argued a number of times that in fact through human history and prehistory including during hunter gather pleistocene times from what we can tell by observing the purest hunter gather societies today, the vast majority of marriages were arranged (with at most the girl’s reasonable veto for really unappealing choices made for her) or by bride raiding. That’s social hypergamy not gina tingle hypergamy.

    Accordingly I’ve theorized that where a girl’s gina tingle is at odds with who her middle class parents would choose or veto for a husband, on average, that that is a reemergence of literally her monkey hindbrain in that impulse’s evolutionary origins.

    A reemergence that’s occurred in current feminist culture because there’s now so little cultural pressure on girls to choose more wisely. Especially when just having supposedly consequence less, no babies ensuing, play sex and games before marriage and babies time.

    Capiche?

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  291. on July 28, 2010 at 9:26 pm namae nanka

    nudie pics? what else can be private about a woman…

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  292. on July 28, 2010 at 9:34 pm i beg to differ

    women get bored of sex way faster than men. men like varity but they can be happy fucking ten of the same women for a long time wheras women get bored of one dick and they want to move on or quit the dick once they realize dick doesnt make them satsfied which just mean women are slower at game. lollololololololzzzz

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  293. PA–

    To address the concern that this is a precedent for the criminalization of Game — I disagree. Game gives beta men tools to be a cooler version of their real selves, not liars. I believe in ethical Game.

    That Israeli decision where a guy lied about his first name, using Daniel which the girl took to mean he was Jewish rather than Arab Muslim, and was then convicted of rape and sent to prison, was an UTTER OUTRAGE.

    Rape is a serious felony. It’s not about the standards for ideal gentlemanly male behavior. Girls lie about things to initially attract guys they’re hot to have sex with all the time. The lie about their age for example, and their height. And weight if she can’t scorn off that question.

    If the slut in question in that case cared so much about whether she was opening her precious legs to a Jew and certainly not an Arab, why the hell didn’t she do a bit of due diligence about him beyond asking his name? Why didn’t she meet some of his circle of friends before she sluttily put out? I mean if it was so rape chargingly important to her.

    Female empowerment and male unempowerment to the nth degree.

    So if a guy exaggerates about his job position and a girl f*cks him, is that rape if she’s pissed at him later PA? How about if he lies about his age? What if he’s technically accurate about his job but makes it sound much more exciting than it is, or that he has more authority than he does? Is that rape.

    I like you PA. Rethink your position. Cause it’s crap.

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  294. Doug “the vast majority of marriages were arranged (with at most the girl’s reasonable veto for really unappealing choices made for her)”

    Are you sure that veto power was the only influence of the girl? I’d bet that unless the marriage was arranged before the girl had mate choices, her interest in a boy would affect that boy. He’d know it, and petition his parents and muster his resources to purchase the girl.

    I’m sure female mate choice has always been alive and strong, even within the setups that you mention.

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  295. @Doug1
    I like you PA. Rethink your position. Cause it’s crap.

    Doug1 is exactly right. It’s crap.

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  296. J–

    And, as a mother myself, I really pity women who have to undergo the breaking of their bond with their child when they give it up. It kills me that so many of the men on this blog are cavalier about

    Adoptions should be done so that the mother barely or doesn’t at all hold the newborn for these reasons.

    But basically I say tough. I want the shaming pressure and lack of mandated money support back so that these women are more or less forced to do this usually, for out of committed relationship pregnancies. If she didn’t Plan B or abort first.

    I say tough compared to the man’s being absolutely forced now literally at gun point and jail cell to submit to indentured servitude for 18 years for a child he didn’t want and would have Plan B’d, aborted or given for adoption if he could have, but now has to pay feminist way jacked up sky high on an after tax percentage basis child support=stealth alimony. At levels that may prevent him from later having a child or a second child with the wife he does love, want to have children with and marry.

    As between his indentured servitude and her grief at giving up for adoption after the briefest contact, yeah I say hells yeah I’m for maximal social shaming and lack of child suppor income pressure to force the later.

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  297. As well, Doug, even when the bride choice is made by parents, what you get is the hypergamous urges of the mother as proxy for the hypergamous urges of the child.

    A main reason women want status is to secure a high status husband for male and their female offspring. To be of high status means you get a higher bride price, and it means that the male will command a higher status wife.

    It’s hypergamy all over the place. Gyna tingles everywhere.

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  298. xsplat–

    Are you sure that veto power was the only influence of the girl?

    HG and close to that (often there’s some tropical garden agriculture at a low work investment level, aka slash and burn) societies vary and in a few girls do have something close to free choice. but usually not. Bride trading along extended kinship lines that vary from tribe to tribe is a major method of cementing and maintaining alliances with nearby bands, among other things to be able to stand together in waging or defending against bride raiding warfare from other bands. Or being pushed out of favorable river etc. locations.

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  299. xsplat–

    I was using veto power as a short hand for her influence on her parents /relatives if she felt strongly enough, and they figured they had a good enough alternative, or soon would, etc.

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  300. I’m suggesting two things that are not at odds with your view, but are at alterations with it.

    1) young male/female sexual interest in each other plays a large part in HG societies even when it’s an economic exchange made largely by her parents. Unless they’ve never met – but I guess that’s less common and not the norm.
    2) even where the young girl has not met the boy, it’s her mother who makes the choice. Not her Dad, and not the tribe.

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  301. Rape is the use of force and/or otherwise physically subduing a person rendering them unable to refuse sex with you. Period. It is sex without consent, not without informed consent.

    Lying is not force, its fraud. And it shouldn’t be remotely admissable unless there’s more than the victim and probably false witnesses, with some sort of proven damage. There should be a reasonable person standard of the victim trying to verify any facts or implicit understandings that are important to them.

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  302. xsplat–

    A main reason women want status is to secure a high status husband for male and their female offspring. To be of high status means you get a higher bride price, and it means that the male will command a higher status wife.

    The proposed husband’s being of high status is usually gonna make both the parents/relatives and the girl happy in HG bands. Unless he’s too, too old and has too many other wives, sometimes. But high enough status can overcome that too if he acts younger and vigorous. So yeah.

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  303. on July 28, 2010 at 10:06 pm i beg to differ

    i prefer older women because they apprciat yuonger men and i cant imagine sploogin a young chic she would act like i have cooties older women do it better and they let you do way nastyer stuff lolololololololzzzzz also you never haf to worry about pregnetting a older women bonus lolololollllllllz

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  304. fraud in inducement to many action, contracts or sexual is very often actionable.

    the key component is REASONABLE RIGHT TO RELY

    a man’s identical twin pretends to be him to have sex with his wife–rape by fraund. she had a reasonable right to rely on a man who looks, sounds, smells and talks like her husband’s word he is in fact her husband

    a man sets up a fake gynecologists office with diplomas on wall and reception area to finger women–fraudulently obtained sexual contact

    stuff like that

    what feminists are trying to do is create for women a REASONABLE RIGHT TO RELY on the story of any strange man they meet. anyone who’s study law knows that the classic “reasonably prudent person standard” has been going out the window as women have gained power–this is likely because women are rarely reasonable, prudent or at this point even people

    women have no reasonable right to rely on a strangers story when he’s trying to bang her.

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  305. on July 28, 2010 at 10:09 pm i beg to differ

    rape

    me: “so do you love me?”

    her: “no but that is a really nice ski mask”

    lolololololololzlollzolzolzzolololz

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  306. xsplat–

    On further reflection I think what you’re objecting to, though not the terms in which you’re objecting, may be rather right in HG bands.

    I contrasted the the two types of female mating up, or female hypergamy, above, leading to various forms of top male polygamy.

    I still thing girls didn’t very often get to pick their husbands in HG societies, though they might have some influence.

    However, he’s the thing that occurred to me. The two types of hypergamy weren’t really in conflict too often then.

    I mean the guys who had status and power where the guys who had charisma and were edgie bad boys in war skirmishes and hunting for prey. There were no guys in middle level rock bands nor biker gangs back then for parents/relatives to get upset about their daughter marrying. There were no multi millionaires nor policy wonks in government.

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  307. dana–

    what feminists are trying to do is create for women a REASONABLE RIGHT TO RELY on the story of any strange man they meet.

    What I really think the smarter and leading radical feminists are trying to do with all their various radical reshaping of rape law pushing, is make it effectively a convictable rape in almost all circumstances if the girl is later felt in any way unhappy or certainly used by the experience.

    Thus they will have a HUGE weapon over men’s heads about slut shaming the, embarrassing them, treating them coldly later, failing to try to make a relationship work if that’s what she wanted, and on and on.

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  308. Thus they will have a HUGE weapon over men’s heads about slut shaming the, embarrassing them, treating them coldly later, failing to try to make a relationship work if that’s what she wanted, and on and on.

    Women think that two labia make a binding contract. That if you fuck her once, she owns your ass forever and ever. If that’s what she wants.

    When I say think, I of course mean assume. Want.

    Women want sexual power.

    Their legal wranglings are just expressions of this innate belief in the value of their powerful pussies to make all binding decisions.

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  309. on July 28, 2010 at 10:44 pm i beg to differ

    I want to spooge on doug1

    dude you got some good face pics i can print up and bust a nut on? im horny and got no pussy but some good gay face will do me.

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  310. Bhetti

    Rape is the use of force and/or otherwise physically subduing a person rendering them unable to refuse sex with you. Period. It is sex without consent, not without informed consent.

    Yeah.

    In the US before the 1960s rape used to require physical force and some sort of injury to the girl to demonstrate that she struggled, hard to get away. Often the injury had to be pretty substantial, i.e. a beating, serious bruising, etc. Soft coercion such as blackmail etc. was not enough to get a rape conviction.

    Then in the more progressive states the level of injury she needed to show went down. Scratches and any plausible evidence at all of her struggle were enough, combined with her testimony, if the jury chose to believe her. Dirt under an upper middle class woman’s fingernails, etc. Whether the jury chose to believe her usually had to do with the circumstances of occurrence and a judgment as to how slutty she was. So second wave feminists furiously insisted on “rape shield laws” where the alleged victim’s past sexual behavior was inadmissible, but all sorts of the past sexual and otherwise about the alleged rapist were admissible.

    Then feminists pushed for a got a standard that merely saying no, or being incapable of consent by being unconscious etc., made it rape, if intercourse ensured. With rape shield laws still in place and it usually being a he said she said believability dual. Though with a “beyond reasonable doubt” standard necessary to convict.

    Now feminists are pushing for a “yes means yes” standard. Which means unless she says yes out loud it’s rape. So all sex becomes rape unless the man can convince the jury that she said yes. Which is nearly impossible. And most importantly, has effectively shifted the burden of proof to him.

    Through all this rad feminists today are working overtime to change the public and hence jury’s minds that any time sex occurs no matter how slutty the girl, and she wasn’t screaming yes, yes, yes before he started, that he’s a rapist. And that he’s also a rapist if she’s had anyone’s idea of too much to drink.

    It must be fought back against, ridiculed and crushed.

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  311. Doug, I believe that the underlying motivation for these aggressive rape laws that feminists push for is to again have the climate be that once a man puts his dick inside you, he’s your slave for life.

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  312. Doug:

    Inflated standards like these seem enforceable in say university campuses, outside the law. It’s all moving more and more to she can claim rape if they just had sex.

    Realistically, what can stop it? Is feminism currently losing power? It seems that it was much more vocal in previous years, and whilst women of my generation are behaving in the ways feminism has encouraged them to, they take it for granted and don’t seem to be radical.

    Is that a wishful thought?

    There’s also a lot of punishing people (men) for being “sexually liberated”, in general.

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  313. There is some misunderstanding about my mathematical assumptions. Many people assumed things that are unnecessary for my conclusion. My only assumptions are: equal numbers of men and women, 80% of women reproduce, each woman has her children with only one man, women pick the man to father their children at random.

    Under those assumptions, only 55% of men will be fathers. 36% of men will be fathers chosen by exactly one women, and 19% of men will be fathers chosen by more than one woman, just from random choice.

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  314. @ Doug 1

    “Adoptions should be done so that the mother barely or doesn’t at all hold the newborn for these reasons.”

    Too late. She’s already been holding ot for nine months. You have no idea of the bond that develops during the pregnancy.

    “At levels that may prevent him from later having a child or a second child with the wife he does love, want to have children with and marry. As between his indentured servitude and her grief at giving up for adoption after the briefest contact, yeah I say hells yeah I’m for maximal social shaming and lack of child suppor income pressure to force the later.”

    And yet when a woman successfully avoids the heartbreak of being with a man who would subject her to that pain by being choosy or waiting for a man who would voluntarily have a child with her out of love, she’s a feminist or forebrained or future-oriented or whatever other criticism else might arise from some poor guy being sexually frustrated.

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  315. Bhetti–

    You mean you don’t think my efforts here are enough?

    Yeah you’re right no doubt.

    The internet has become much more alive to this threat. Parts of the internet I mean.

    I think people are much more aware that false rape accusations aren’t rare than they used to be.

    On the other hand, there IS too much rape. Real rape I mean.

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  316. Poly – please show your work and explain if the girls must be knocked up sequencially in your model.

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  317. @x splat

    “I believe that the underlying motivation for these aggressive rape laws that feminists push for is to again have the climate be that once a man puts his dick inside you, he’s your slave for life.”

    For the Israeli case, no, not at all.

    The chief dynamic there is the fact that conflict exists between Israelis and Palestinians. If the guy were an American Christian tourist or an Indian or whatever else, there’d have been no charges. This has nothing to do with persecuting PUAs and everything to do with an Israel woman being perceived as being taken advantage of by an enemy man. And, as PA points out, the consequences for an Israeli man in the reverse situation would have been much worse–and the Arabs are no feminists.

    Additionally, before the sixties and seventies, there were laws on the books in America and England that did indeed prosecute men who lied or broke romantic promises to women. Breach of promise laws were by and large struck down after the advent of feminism because they were viewed as patronizing.

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  318. @Doug1
    Through all this rad feminists today are working overtime to change the public and hence jury’s minds that any time sex occurs no matter how slutty the girl, and she wasn’t screaming yes, yes, yes before he started, that he’s a rapist. And that he’s also a rapist if she’s had anyone’s idea of too much to drink.

    It must be fought back against, ridiculed and crushed.

    Don’t forget: many feminists think heterosexual sex, all sex, is rape. That consenting to have sex with a man is tantamount to submitting to the Patriarchy.

    It’s a paranoid, women-as-permanent-victims world-view.

    A lot of feminists just hate men, or male-ness. The problem is, … they don’t seem to actually like women much, either.

    And there are at least two kinds of feminist: Dworkin leftist victimhood, all sex = rape, power and domination are everything, the dialectic is all that matters. And then pro-sex Women Can Be Men responsiblity-feminism. No prudishness there.

    I like #2 more, of the two.

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  319. Gorbachev–

    Lesbians, a great great many of them these days, are a real problem Gorbachev. Gay men by and large aren’t.

    Lesbians in these feminist times that their ilk was central in creating, if they’re real lesbians and not just college kinda good girl lesbians or bi curious girls, very much tend to hate and disdain men. And are at war with men, in a political environment that ridiculously disarms their opponents — hetero white men.

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  320. @Doug1
    Gorbachev–

    Lesbians, a great great many of them these days, are a real problem Gorbachev. Gay men by and large aren’t.

    Lesbians in these feminist times that their ilk was central in creating, if they’re real lesbians and not just college kinda good girl lesbians or bi curious girls, very much tend to hate and disdain men. And are at war with men, in a political environment that ridiculously disarms their opponents — hetero white men.

    My impression is that most lesbians (I know a few) want men and straight women to fuck off – they don’t care about men. Men are like furniture.

    That’s actual lesbians.

    A lot of “lesbians” are “political lesbians” – they may be attracted to men, but by gum, they’re not going to let themselves be. They’re *Lesbians*. They Reject Patriarchy. And Men.

    These are the bad girls for the rest of us. They actually hate men. Their lesbianism is motivated by male-hatred.

    But you should see what the source of the evil is.

    It’s not their lesbianism.

    It’s their post-modernist quasi-leftist group victimthink.

    It’s why they seem so fascist about it. It’s why they hate debate. Their “disciplines” (interesting use of the word) teach them that truth goes to those who claim and take power: That it’s all just words. There’s no reality.

    That you can make reality.

    The fact of their lesbianism is a symptom of their mental disease. It’s the leftist disease, the far-left fascist worldviews they espouse, that makes them dangerous.

    Have a conversation about Dworkin or Mackinnon or Herbert Marcuse with these women. You soon realize that their lesbianism is a sideshow.

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  321. Yes, J, you are right that rape laws are also largely about a woman’s right to say no to the wrong kind of baby. In this case the baby would be wrong because it would belong to the wrong tribe.

    That’s the flip side of the same coin. It is implied by what I said. If you say that women prefer to fuck alphas, it means they don’t want to fuck betas. If the vagina is viewed by the woman as a bear trap to keep a man, it also must be able to reject the wrong kind of man.

    Anything that fucks up with a womans ability to bear trap the right kind of man is a threat to her pussy power of control over men.

    That woman may have wanted to bear trap him, had he simply have been from a different tribe. So she is now reverse bear trapping him. Same coin, different side.

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  322. J, the mindset is this “don’t you dare try to fuck me unless you will be my slave for life!” Without that mindset, she has no call to care if she sluts it up with the wrong tribe.

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  323. @Gorbachev

    “He said: He just treated women like they were whores, and they loved it. Especially the young ones”

    I lived exclusively in this world for a few years before practicing abstinence. My experience seemed to suggest that it was the 30 somethings that wanted it the dirtiest, but regardless.

    Now I live in 2 worlds. When I’m sober, the human female disgusts me thoroughly. Her sexuality makes me want to vomit. I game girls everywhere I go just to experience the look of rejection and shame on their cheating faces when I walk away without asking for their numbers “have a nice day” I say.

    Then I get drunk and my perception of everything changes. I accept the reality of things and experience a sense of love and compassion for them as daughters and sisters. I talk to them sweetly and enjoy their smiles and their eyes. I much prefer these moments to any of the dirtiest sex with the tightest teen ass.

    The key is celibacy, no release of seminal fluid for weeks and months at a time, until the

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  324. Gorbachev–

    Have a conversation about Dworkin or Mackinnon or Herbert Marcuse with these women. You soon realize that their lesbianism is a sideshow.

    At the very least their man hating lesbianism is a point of vulnerability for these vile creatures that I think should be enthusiastically exploited.

    As the counter revolution comes.

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  325. J–

    And yet when a woman successfully avoids the heartbreak of being with a man who would subject her to that pain by being choosy or waiting for a man who would voluntarily have a child with her out of love, she’s a feminist or forebrained or future-oriented or whatever other criticism else might arise from some poor guy being sexually frustrated.

    This is a confusingly and jumbled written statement. But I think I know what you’re getting at.

    My answer is that I think for the good of America and Western Civ girls should be far less slutty and marry earlier. And think their man should be their on balance leader, usually. And that the most important roles for most women should be mother and supportive wife, but that it’s also admirable when the wife is helping support the family, in these post feminist and modern office work times.

    Some of this might tend to thin my alpha pickings, but it’s what I want for my country.

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  326. well, that’s the thing though isn’t it, you’re missing one key factor, most people who advanced society, culture, and science, were betas, the alpha trend isn’t going to improve our DNA, just weaken it, I think Harvey Danger hit on it in the 90s with the line “I’ve been around the world and seen that only stupid people are breeding.” simply put this trend is just another sign of the fall of Rome, promiscuity leads to weakened moral and intellectual fiber, because the only concepts that hold the attention of the masses are sexual, if you want to see a pretty decent picture of where society is headed unless something major happens to jar us out of this funk take a look at the film Idiocracy. I’m not saying a mirror image, but in the first 15 or so minutes it explains the situation perfectly.

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  327. on July 29, 2010 at 7:36 am namae nanka

    “The key is celibacy, no release of seminal fluid for weeks and months at a time, until the”

    go on please..

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  328. on July 29, 2010 at 11:49 am 9, The Editor

    Amen bro

    lp 999

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  329. The Israeli decision was a consequence of the fact that Arabs come over to our part of town to fuck “our” women, often by force, while their wives (2, 3, 4 per man, sometimes) remain cloistered in the homes they make via arranged marriages. It is also a function of the fact that Israeli Jewish men have unscrupulously lied about social status, being able to provide welfare benefits and public housing, and the law has mainly been aimed at those men and such lies, not lies about community/identity. Do you prefer the solution of the old Israeli song, “Sarasnucha Ya Mohammed”? “We Have Castrated You, Mohammed”? In the Middle East, sexuality is always feral, there is always blood and death involved, thus the security of being able to offer home and hearth to a woman and the punishment of lying about that capability.

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  330. […] – “Overgaming“, “Proof of the Modern American Harem“, “Chicks Dig Jerks: Game is its Own […]

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  331. […] this debate on sexual politics and biological determinism is in full cry over at Roissy from the Chateau’s blog. […]

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  332. ““Hooking-up” – engaging in no-strings-attached sexual behaviors with uncommitted partners – has become a norm on college campuses, and raises the potential for disease, unintended pregnancy, and physical and psychological trauma. ”

    YIkes! How negative and alarmist can the authors get? Hooking up is eeeeeeeevil and your kids are all gonna die if they do it!!! They’re gonna go blind, have hairy palms, and then they’re just gonna die!

    Geez, I thought researchers were supposed to be unbiased and calm. Casual sex isn’t going to bring the downfall of western civilization. Relax everybody, just relax.

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  333. Polymath’s numbers are flawed.

    Polymath:
    “With random mating but women only get one man ever, if 80% of the women reproduce then the chance of a man remaining childless is e^(-0.8) = 44.93% — based on the Poisson distribution where each man has an expected number of lifetime fertile mates of 0.8.

    Thus 80-55 would be expected with no hypergamy, and 80-40 really isn’t so bad — only 15% of the men got omega’d out of the game compared with random mating.”

    What is the evidence for women only getting one man ever? If I remember correctly, some researchers (Helen Fisher) believe that humans used to form a couple for just a few years to raise a child and then break up. If that is the case then the estimate of the chance of a man remaining childless is completely different.

    I conservatively estimate the number of kids produced by a tribe of 100 men and 100 women as 300. (Looking at primitive societites, the number was probably higher than that). Thus, the expected number of kids in a lifetime per male is 3. Then, we can estimate the chance of a man remaining childless as exp(-3) = 5% at most.

    Thus, in a society with no hypergamy and random mating to raise a child (rather than for life), only 5% of men would be childless and 95% would have children. In reality, only 40% did, leaving the majority on the sidelines. This is a clear indication of either hypergamy or monopolization of women by few men.

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  334. Dumb down yes I agree, they do
    Harem children, c-mon thats considered normal aint it?
    war and deaths a prevention for betas – you copied that off Peaceful resistance to law and officers and governments of foreign territories and tribes – still happening, tho
    if war is the only option for beta way then whose alpha in Peace times if they happen / when they happened / and as they are now it seems in your guys mentality of writing (and girls) – and do woman have ability for peace – with Harems, etc……. ?!?!?!?

    I like being a harem male offspring, tho pass on my genes, thats meaning from my 5 generations of money knowledge in my Land Mass, I would be passing on a lineage of unethical, to good for you people or way below you people a series of children that would also go out and create harems like me and my past 5 (to my knowledge) ancestors.
    Dudes I dont reckon statistics and scientific knowledge is correct because out of the controls and experiments of stats and math, those who participated in the test could and probably will be proved in future date that

    Question tho – Why does a harem a protocol, answer that and you will find that also statistically words and opions are the other way round %41% female and the rest are 79% male. So all I’m suggesting is the only option I see here is 80 – 40 sex etc….. and now I suggest that protocol eg insult to praise eg rejection to serviced by a lovely or more is also transperant

    lol

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  335. why does a harem and its control have protocol

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  336. others harems and non harem but harem thoughts and personalities – are actually at war with Peaceful High – their mottos I recon are Peaceful Judgements- which is really a womens harem, todays EVE.
    sugar music and rebull, and such are the tools of surround Powers, look around and see the people outcast and cut from the womans harem – they are the lonely etc, the now cast betas in “Truth”, tho the only crime is that they brought a cripple woman under their wings, or a barren woman under their wings, and the EVE Truth evolution so called HG society proudly boasts of their outcasts and enuchs, their dead guns and dead laws in front of Peaceful High Kings and Queens, They do this thru circular and under the flame of EVE the Peaceful Judgement full of Breaking people.
    “I’m looking for another brother, another mother” – Tahn Flyka Rhythm

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