So true. Contrast is everything. Thought, “One in the middle is okay, feminine at least,” then realized who it was.
So flip the contrast: if one of these ogres were placed next to a beautiful women, they could truly be interpreted as monsters. It was these sorts of juxtapositions of beauties and hags which undoubtedly fueled the imaginations of the Brothers Grimm, Mary Shelley, Edgar Allen Poe, and other writers of classical horror.
I’m not going to do anything but comment from my office. I do think it’s rude to mock someone’s unfortunate appearance. If I cared about any of them it would be a different story. You can still have manners and know the deal.
> “I do think it’s rude to mock someone’s unfortunate appearance.”
In general I completely agree with you.
And yet, part of me wonders: Could there be some underlying Darwinian evo-psych truth at work here?
So that, on average [with plenty of exceptions – but ON AVERAGE], most of the time, with respect to most of the people you will meet in your life, maybe you really can read a book by its cover?
I.e. when we see one of these, ah, young ladies, might we have something deeply embedded in our genes which causes the hair to stand up on the back of our necks and causes that voice in the back of our heads to say, “Uh-oh, this one could be a problem”?
And, ON AVERAGE, might that voice actually be correct?
And yes, if true, then it would definitely have to be called an, ah, “ugly” truth, but, hey, there’s a reason that they call this the Dark Enlightenment.
Why cite that hack Darwin when Nietzsche already uncovered this verity explicitly? You overestimate the enemy, romanticist. A philosophy that enthralls the great unwashed doesn’t necessarily imbue it with integrity. Ideas built upon lies and errors are houses of cards.
Beautiful young girls make themselves ugly all the time — piercings, tattoos, short hair, nasty disposition. It is an expression of their soul manifesting itself on their appearance. Any one of those women can dignify themselves by indulging in femininity, rather than cursing it through their fashion and attitude selections. Make-up, hair, modest clothing, and a soupçon of sweetness will go a very long way, turning them from hideous to average.
Now what does that have to do with “evolution” and “survival of the fittest”? These are the mental contortions Darwin congregants play with themselves in order to be confident in their unexamined dogma. You are giving their creed undue recognition by, like them, confusing the terminology “evolutionarily consistent” with simple “truth.” How is it true? Pro Aristotle, “I have observed it” will suffice for our purposes.
Let me venture this possibility: you reject Darwin dogmaticism but thrill to its supposed exposition of “dark” and difficult-to-swallow truths. Well, so do I. But given that its epistemology is suspect, I don’t have to genuflect before its idols. But I empathize with a further discomfort you will not name, which is, men jealous of their freedom reject dogma, even true dogma, in all its forms on the general principle of bowing before no authority but themselves. Chase that instinct. Darwinism is feminism is atheism is nihilism is omegas in labcoats trying to tell men like us, preposterously, Whom are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
Now, a real alpha wouldn’t get phased that these women are a bit pissed off, because he got him a nice bitch at home who isn’t. He would bemusedly observe, “They’re a little irritable, don’t you think?”
Well, Dan, these are apparently actual dyed in the wool feminists. They are crusading (if you’ll excuse the pun) to convince women to hate men. As such they are legitimate targets for *any* kind of ridicule that can be heaped upon their pointy heads. When you intervene to defend them, using some vague appeal to “lookism”, you are in fact displaying the white knight tendencies so often noticed on your average beta schlub.
My knowledge of medieval armor and terminology comes from spending time reading and studying Western history with some level of attention to detail. I’m also quite fluent in other eras as well. I even, gasp, speak other languages, as confusing as that may seem to you. Not everybody thinks that intelligence is a weakness, as you seem to, Dan.
Now go suit up son, there are passels more anti-male, man hating feminists to go out and joust on the behalf of. Don’t touch their proffered silk handkerchief though, that just can’t be healthy.
I was not defending them. I despise their politics. Better ways to attack them then mocking their albeit unfortunate looks. They’re helpless, humorless, stupid women and CH is a smart, funny guy. Why punch down?
If they were genuinely pretty on the inside, we wouldn’t be mocking them. You don’t see Mother Theresa’s photos up here being mocked. These people suck, and they’re crappy haircuts and clothes and overall appearance is a reflection of their contempt for Western Civ. Eff these ugly hoes!
Dunno man. If I have a few pints on board and I see Amanda Marcotte in bad lighting with something slutty on.. I’m thinking Plausible Deniabilitah. I probably wouldn’t tell you about it though, unless she screamed out something truly bizarre.
There was a time when I considered any and all justifications. When I am able to reach and rescue, I will. If asked I can provide a willingness to my ability. However if I were to observe someone fall out of my reach, I just can’t. To fly to their overtures, and seductions from the Bosom of Abraham…”I just can’t”…I know in my demon filled heart that I would first fuck the dead souls in Hades… with my will bound in the trunk.
Well liquid, you clearly don’t understand women then do you? A 5 has every chance of being as lying and coniving as a 10. Women are women are women, their nature is immutable and known. You can have your 5’s and tell yourself that she’s honest and pure, I know different and will stick with 8’s and 9’s. At least my lying conniving bitches are hot to look at when I fuck them. Good luck with the un-boner worthy “good girls” who will eventually stab you in the back and treat you like dirt.
I want to live a life in possession of Freedom of the Will.
I want to believe that – within limits, but within those limits, via a sufficiently determined exercise of the will – folks can pull themselves up by the bootstraps and become something other than what their conception should have predetermined them to be.
I guess the key point here, though, would be the qualifier, “within limits”.
Can a naturally cold shrewish hateful vengeful and HIDEOUSLY UGLY woman – who had all of those qualities burned into her biological nature when she was created – somehow receive an act of Grace [or some similar inspiration] and thereby become something better than what her genes would have otherwise dictated her to be?
Plus I’m a hardcore White Knight by nature – I just can’t help but feel sorry for the ugly chicks.
And as I’ve said here many times at the Chateau, I’ll take an HB7, packing a few extra pounds, but with a bright cheerful optimistic personality, over any HB8/HB9/HB10, whose heart has been consumed by The Darkness [where, presumably, the consumption by Darkness was via an act of choice – an exercise of her will – rather than simply the inevitable emergence of a quality which had always been innate to her nature.]
I just really hate this idea that folks are necessarily doomed to be what their conception predetermined them to be.
But I’m not a fool – if there are deep dark ugly horrifying Truths to be learned from Darwinian Nihilism, then bring ’em on – let’s learn what they are.
I’ll take the 10 for 10 minutes. I certainly could remain friends with any of those women in the photo, if something else held my intrest( it rarely does) , but I would have no desire to form a pair bond or mate with them. Its ugly but true. But there might be one one or two 5s in that photo at best its got some 2-4s. There are more things in this world than sex, especially in that context.
Nature is not cruel so in this case. There is a reason why we are attracted to beautiful women. They are fit to endure the task. Mating with breastless narrow hipped women would lead to more infant mortality and death.
The question you are really asking is this: because I — without trying — am higher value than a 4-5, assuming that you are a male 7+, the 4-5 will pick up on this and treat me like a king with minimal effort on my part.
For a 10 to do the same, I will have to make an effort, and making an effort carries with it a chance of failure. If I fail, the 10 will treat me poorly. However, what you fail to realize is that if you lacked value to the 5…the 5 would also treat you poorly. It’s all value.
even add that nowadays finding a girl that knows how to cook is an uncommon thing, and young girls learning how to cook is looked down upon.
Among my friends a lot more men that cook than women.. weird right?
There is probably a correlation between attractiveness and niceness, since a portion of attractiveness is an effort to please others, but some part of beauty is genetic, and those chicks get so overloaded with attention and options they don’t even look at me in the subway boo hop.
It’s also worth mentioning that 10s tend to be meaner to unattractive guys (ie, betas and omegas) than 5s for the obvious reason that they get hit on by them a lot.
Of course, CH has a wide range of readers, and for natural betas trying to become alphas, or lesser alphas going for greater, this might make sense. I think for those of us with more moderate natural talents (spergs and so on), it’s more sensible to look for nasty stuff like feminism, etc to avoid, and simply ignore 7s and up. Obviously a nice 10 is better than a nice 5, but we obviously can’t all have a 10.
Lesser betas and below rarely hit on 10s; they are more likely to just worship them from afar, giving them a wide circle of deference. The bitchiest girls tend to be ones on the lower edge of passable attractiveness. Especially ‘fives,’ who resent being seen as attainable by betas.
A lot of uglier girls also carry a default bitch-shield as sour grapes. I’ve interacted with more than one youngish stuck-up fat pig who gave me — a man leagues above her in SMV — nasty attitude.
Similarly, since most non-white women are below white men’s attractiveness threshold, they are anti-white — especially if they are academics or feminists. Conversely, the rare attractive non-white women are very pro-white. See Michelle Malkin.
And as negative as it sounds, this is a good rationale for a CH-style-sociopath’s disdain for fatties and ugs; -instead of being Mr. Happy & Fun with Everybody.
-As you outline, there are plenty of Ugs who mystifyingly will make you regret even being conversationally-pleasant to them in the least, with their warpig ‘sass’.
It gets worse if you take it one step further with a chick you see regularly at her job, etc.
Without leading her on abit, be Mr. Happy Conversation. And then watch her go thermonuclear 2-3 months later when you refuse to pick up the ‘hints’ or ‘windows’ she throws out there about her [yeeeesh!] ‘potential availability’. -Passively letting her know it’s never going to happen as an order-of-magnitude-higher smv guy.
Makes you regret even being positive in their general direction at-all.
I thought I did to a small extent, hence asking about “pod” and assuming that whale was being implied. I didn’t not know that about crows, interesting. Animal science has little to interest me, except insofar as their habits and prime hunting seasons, so I can, well, hunt them. I don’t hunt crows, nor whales (avast!), so I know little of them outside of the general stuff. Thanks for the info!
Puzzle Pirate is funny. Watson is the wannabe atheist who shrieked about being asked out for coffee in an elevator by an insufficiently attractive nerd. Dawkins, in a fit of temporary reasonability, questioned whether the outrage over the situation wasn’t a distraction from the real issues (viz. whether scissoring with Mrs. Garrison makes him bi.). Feminist feelbads trumped decades of atheist-cred.
Nope. Half those women could be 6s almost without effort if they weren’t pointedly making themselves ugly. Even the androgynous one, with just a little bit of haircut work, could come across with that “short-haired sexy Russian-jewish-chick” vibe if she wanted to.
Definitely. Growing out a short haircut, losing excess weight, and using some makeup will make a huge difference. It might not get them to a 9 or 10, but it would take them out of the warpig abyss. Just looking well groomed and feminine goes a long way.
These women WANT to be physically unattractive to men, or at the very least they absolutely do not care. Most of us– men and women– care how we look and want to be attractive to the opposite sex, so we make efforts to do that. It’s healthy. Deliberately making yourself unattractive, or not giving a damn either way, is just not normal.
[CH: dropping all efforts to keep up appearances might be a normal response by a person so low on the SMV totem pole that only herculean effort will make any difference worth mattering.]
dropping all efforts to keep up appearances might be a normal response by a person so low on the SMV totem pole that only herculean effort will make any difference worth mattering.
This is correct.
Most heterosexual feminists are ugly women who simply cannot accept their low SMV. Desirable men pay them no attention, and it infuriates them. Rather than accepting the fact that they’re never going to be hot babes and just trying to do the best they can, they turn to feminism to assuage their egos. The most zealous converts will abandon all efforts to improve their looks (degree of zealotry is inversely correlated with SMV; the mediocre ones will “objectify” themselves while hypocritically denouncing “objectification”).
That doesn’t narrow it down much, man. Could you give me a clue?
None of them has any “short-haired sexy Russian-jewish-chick” potential that I can see. I’m guessing you’re talking about Orange T-shirt, but I then look at the bags under her eyes and the yellow horseteeth and the early-stage double chin and I think I can’t possibly be right.
Or is it Ms Right-Handed Baby of the Group, next to her? But then she doesn’t look even slightly Russian or Jewish, to these tired old eyes.
Birth-control glasses are real. A little effort can go a long, LONG way. None of these gals would stand out at a club or in a crowd of truly attractive women, but with just a little work, they’d be liberated from incipient-cat-lady status.
But then, after failing said lottery make it their sole mission in life to preach outright lies and feminist dogma so that those that did “win” the genetic lottery have to be dragged down by the anchoring millstone of feminist claptrap. Take your white knight faggotry the fuck outta here. Redirect —> http://www.manboobz.com
Insecure bitches are attracted to insult like moths to bright light. They know they’re getting hurt but they can’t help their masochistic impulses. At least moths have the excuse of being moths and not much is expected from their nature. Then again, one shouldn’t expect much from bitches… so… nature is beautiful, and game on.
I’ve ridden my share of butterfaces in my lifetime, but man.
I think I’d hand the reins back to the stableboy here.
Interesting tidbit: gender studies departments in Europe tend to be a bit different, and ahead of the Cathedral curve. You won’t hear “silly…I’m a woman, you’re a man” as the justification for why an AMERICAN gender studies student wants to ride your joystick…
Amazing that gays say a gay is “born thay way”,he is gay thru and thru,its all biologically dtermined,you cant Un-gay a gay…but when a gay man pulls down the pants of a pre-pube boy and slaps him on the ass he INSTANTLY STOPS being gay and becomes a “pedophiliac”!
Do you think the individual ratings are influenced by the group as a whole? The girl with the short hair in the middle doesn’t seem all that bad… but she’s definitely surrounded by some unfortunate looking women. Generally speaking, does a cute girl seem less cute if she’s in a very unattractive group? Does a 5-6 seem hotter if she’s surrounded by 9s? Just curious.
Can’t speak for others, but for me no, each woman is judged individually. Collective influence doesn’t really come into play. Plus the rating is a function of how one presents oneself as well (hence why women can up their rating by growing longer hair, keeping in shape and wearing nice makeup). The middle chick shows every sign of angry-soccer-mom-short hair bobbed tomfoolery that throws her rating down several notches in my estimation.
Amy you’re right short-hair theoretically could have a nice figure and looks healthy. One has to assume that give THAT group of friends she isn’t a sweet little pervert given to submissive, daddy-fucking style sex.
More like the kind in my experience want to ride you like an object while remaining emotionally detached, a true sport-fucking bore devoid of romanticism.
The problem with that however is that it is usually the ugliest of feminazis who instruct us to look for the beauty inside, all the while spitting hate and bile at anybody who doesn’t agree with their every anger filled missive.
These women are just those kinds of women, as some on this thread have pointed out. Your assertion thus seems rather irrelevant in this context.
Do you suppose there is some link to a heavy beard and inner beauty in the erotic sense? The hormones on the inside appear on the outside like the rot gives rise to stink.
Yeah I know what you are saying, but its been said over and over again. What is no longer being said is that the standard of outer beauty has some role in our existence that is not consciously understood.
A columnist I typically enjoy reading decided to share his story on how the object of his affection spent decades marrying other men – including a member of his band – before finally deciding to settle for him once she was a much older multiple divorcee with a couple children. I’m sure he’s told how romantic his story is by those he recounts it to, yet I felt a tinge of disgust for him while reading the piece. The beta mindset he clearly displays doesn’t help.
To be fair, it has been an eleven year marriage so far that he is claims to be happy to be a part of, and perhaps it’s the best he realistically could attain even though it resulted in no children of his own. I’m more inclined to believe that his limited perspective and unfortunate lifelong infatuation with this woman led him into an arrangement most men would agree is undesirable. The column may serve as a prime example of the rationalization employed by beta providers to convince themselves their lot in life isn’t so bad. The rabbi’s little joke on him seems to have sailed right over his head, but considering that beta providers fulfill a necessary role in society, perhaps it’s for the better.
I don’t think “inner beauty” exists either. It’s total BS. I have never met an unattractive person who wasn’t bitter and mean-spirited. It makes sense – if you’ve been treated badly your whole life due to your looks, the pus of resentment boils inside you. I’ve known unattractive people who pretended to be nice to extort niceness from others; it’s a social necessity, not a reflection of “inner beauty.” The people with supposed “inner beauty, character, and mind” had no substance to back it up.
She has, as my very sardonic Hungarian hottie use to say (and had me LMAO) about ugly women, “a very unfortunate face.” It is that EE humor thing they have this sort of appreciation for dark comedy lost on our bright & cheery 1st world women.
The real question is… are they hideous because they’re atheist, or are they atheist because they’re ugly?
[CH: i suspect (though i can’t prove), based on observation, that atheists are uglier on average than most self-identifying groups. i’ve met plenty of good-looking irreligious people, but they never went on about their disbelief in god.]
As an atheist I hate to actually agree with this, but it’s true in my anecdotal experience. In college and grad school I got minorly involved with several atheist organizations. Why did I stop? Because they were all full of losers, nerds, hyper-nazi-femis, etc. Just unhappy, ugly people in general. Me and a friend — both atheists and both red pill — came to the conclusion that generally, a hot girl is a god-fearin’ girl.
The only atheists who are normal and well-adjusted — -read: non-ugly — on average seem to be self-identified ‘agnostics’ or whatever-the-fuck-non-confrontational-label they give themselves.
Even girls who are smart — if they’re feminine, they will have some sort of hippy-dippy spiritual bullshit that they believe in. I used to not like this, but now…I realize that the correlation with femininity is so high that I love it. It’s an easy way to screen out the mannish girls.
Bisexual, Catholic… and like I said in that other thread, there are choices we all have to make when it comes to what we do with ourselves in the sexual marketplace. I am not stupid enough to think that there wouldn’t be massive consequences for me, my children, my extended family, and my relationship with God and/or the Church, if I married a woman.
And none of that makes my above statement not true. I brush against these circles quite frequently, and trust me, it’s always a semi-horrifying experience. If anything, increased exposure to these people only serves to enforce the stereotypes. Most non-normative women are miserable, ugly, hateful bitches.
CH I believe this is true because ugly people are more likely to be left alone (lonely) and have more time for deep introspection. Generally any deep thought person tends to be uglier, on average, than the hotties who are having fun every minute.
From what I can tell. most Europeans are gleefully secular and couldn’t give a shit about the existence of a god either way. “Atheist” is a label hateful people give themselves in order to set themselves up in opposition to basic American decency. It’s an issue of attitude, not personal theology.
Most Dutch are atheist too, and the Swedes are trick, they claim to be Christian Protestant, yet they don’t go to church nor consider religión important on surveys, and Hungarians are still pretty Catholic.
Inner beauty is real, but people like Marcotte don’t have it. That’s the irony, not the supposed non-existence of inner beauty. They might strike out at men, calling them shallow, even though they would probably benefit from shallow treatment of super-shallow men who can overlook personality.
The photo shows the inherent “smugness” of the typical American woman. There’s no use talking AT ALL to this type of genetico-cultural monstrosity. They are as friendly as a pack of feral dogs in a burnt-out post-apocalytic urban guerrilla zone.
many of these … will be in Springfield, MO, for Skepticon. Perhaps some courageous soul willing to make the trip and endure the painful droning would demonstrate Game on susceptible members of this crowd. The results would be entertaining.
Here’s the irony…if a guy came over to the table and dropped the “Apocalypse Opener” (come over now) those 2’s and 3’s would probably become offended and indignant rather than pitifully grateful that someone….anyone dumpster dived and gave them a rare chance at getting banged.
This is why game is so vital. A medium knowledge of game would be able to approach, disarm the mother hen in the foreground with the gray hair.
Neg the cock-block with the glasses and page-boy red hair and ignore the 5 with the long hair and bright red lips in the middle.
That would be my target. It wouldn’t be that hard; First date, museum, frame control battle. Text game escalation. Second date, drinks, then bounce, then back to my place, bang her.
Then she’d be in “love” with me. When I ignored her texts she’d become obsessive and start guilting me. Then report back to her friends who would all cackle in agreement at what an asshole. Then the cockblock in the red hair would be mildly intrigued enough to add me on Facebook…Her opener “Big lips says your a jerk….” Me; “yah I’m the one your mom warned you about….” And it would be on.
Take a second look at the picture; all of those women could be decent looking if they chose to make a modicum of effort.
Instead the embrace their inner-ugliness. That’s what truly shines through, here; the hairstyles and frumpy clothing are symptoms of their inner life, and its through their smiles and eyes that it truly shines through.
As other commenters have pointed out, these girls would be hell to game, throwing up road blocks and arrogance at every turn, because the reject the feminine. If they embraced the feminine, their scores would go up by 2-3 points, partly because they’d be dressed nicely, but mostly because they wouldn’t have the soul-sucking zombie smiles of HR department ladies on their faces.
So why is Amanda Marcotte so hated here? I just know about her through this site. What has she done/said that’s so bad? I’m not going to read her feminist blog. Had enough of that BS in my school days. I would appreciate it if someone can give me a run-down of her shenanigans. TIA.
Well, first, she’s awful. But I hate her mostly for her role in the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax. She’s a white feminist stereotype for whom the ultimate symbol of evil is the white male (straight) frat boy. Oh, and she’s a Stalinist who looks like a tranny.
She’s probably hated most for her continued persecution of the Duke lacrosse players, long after it was obvious the “victim” was lying. The accused were privileged white men, and therefore to her, they were rapists per se. It didn’t matter what the facts actually were. It was a stark example of how vicious and irrational modern feminism has become.
I see guys dating “women” like this and it just makes me feel sad. They obviously can’t find them physically attractive so what’s the point? I mean seriously, I would vomit if I touched one of these women. I’m not gay by any means but there are dudes I’d rather make out with than one of these creatures.
Wow, dude, that’s really harsh – I think you could’ve tried a little harder to find a more seriously-fugly photo than this one. The four on the left ain’t model material, but I bet they look pretty decent naked. Shit, the two in the middle even have some cleavage going on. Give these girl a Jenny Jones makeover (i.e. slutty clothes + makeup), get rid of those 3 dudes on the left, have a few drinks with the ladies and I bet you’d go home with one of ’em!
The jungle people have tons of eye-catching ornamentation. The tundra people are dressed in a manner that is functional, but the best it seems have, even in that harsh environment, gone to the trouble of making their women beautiful. I can see how Ghenghis Khan came from a woman who was probably not unlike the Kazakh female.
The men are hard, and the women are beautiful, what has modernity done for us?
Not coincidentally… they are all overweight and lack any sort of effort in their appearance, which include being completely obvlivious to fashion sense. They probably blame men for not being attracted to them. Which is why they are feminists.
Since observing two women in my office over a period of about a year, do you really mean there is no “worth” to inner beauty, even for pickup artists? These two women were about 25 years old, roughly the same build (5,4″ and petite, maybe size 2’s). Both were single and were ‘good girls’ and became close friends. I sat right next to them. Girl A was, I think, objectively more beautiful than Girl B. Long beautiful hair, beautiful face, clear skin. Girl B had somewhat broken out skin, glasses, braces, short hair. Both were very feminine, dresses/skirts, etc. There are a lot of single people about that age in my office and the other office on our floor. I was fascinated to see how the prettier girl almost never got approached and Girl B was constantly approached by men both married and single. They went out a lot on weekends together and apparently the same thing happened.
My take on it (I’m a woman) – Girl A, the prettier one, had an absolutely sour venemous hateful attitude about life in general and the vast majority of humans. Girl B was the girl who never has a bad day, always fun, smiling, pleasant, high energy. It appeared to me that most of the men, pickup artists or not, didn’t care to try to get past the barbed wire with Girl A no matter how beautiful she was. Girl B was not unattractive, so there’s that. It was interesting to see Girl A actively try to sabotage Girl B; she never seemed to get that it was likely her attitude getting in her way. Or maybe I’m wrong?