The Bar Girl, Ten Years Later

Reader whorefinder remembers a tragic story from his past.

Story time: you’ve all heard of Coyote Ugly, the bar in New York City? Many of you who are above 25 remember there was movie about it, which, unfortunately, turned out to be a beta-male-chick-flick as opposed to the semi-porno it should have been. Such a waste…

Anyway, I live in NYC, and have frequented the bar many times over the last 10 years or so. And this is the sad story.

You see, there’s a redheaded bartender who’s worked there since I started going. We’ve chatted a few times over the years, but nothing more–like a good bartender, she remembers my face when I come in, but she wouldn’t know me from Adam if I walked by on the street.

Now, we’re the same age. I started going around age 22, which was, coincidentally, the same year she started working there.

Back then, I couldn’t buy a date. A beta at heart, I marveled at the hot women at Coyote Ugly (hot in a roadhouse skank way) shaking their asses all over the place. The redhead, at the time, was in her physical prime. While not the best looking, her body was banging: slim, curvy, and elastic. She gave off that crazy-fuck vibe like something else. Danced like a motherfucker, looked like a poor man’s angel.

Now I know she was a skank, because each time I moseyed in, I saw a new guy with her. He’d sit down the end of the bar, bored, but occasionally, when no one was looking, she’d give him a kiss. In my early-to-mid 20’s, sad to say, I closed out Coyote Ugly and other bars way too often, and yet still went home alone to punch the clown. And the redhead would, monthly, be leaving with a new dude to get fucked by.

As I grew, matured, and, most importantly, developed game, I actually started to have success with women, and places like Coyote Ugly and strip clubs became distant memories for me, only to be visited for nostalgia, boredom, or shits-and-giggles when buddies are in town. I can pick up a hotter woman now much easier than spending $60-$100 to watch a whorish one be a cocktease to me and feed me bullshit. This is what game does—changes your perspective on everything, makes you disdain what you once would have given an arm for.

Those times I did roll into Coyote Ugly, the redhead would invariably be around. I found out from a bouncer she eventually became the bar manager, hence her hanging around even if not working behind the bar. But her look changed, too.

Years of hard drinking (Coyote girls often drink with the guys, although they invariably will get you to drink way more than them to push up your bill) and smoking outside gave her deposits of fat on her once-pristine body. Years of having a new cock every night left her face haggard, old, and tired, even when she faked a smile. Years of bad food from late night shit shops left her unable to speedplow through dance routines on the bar she once cut like a young farmer in summer. Years of screaming to the bar to “make some noise” and one too many bummed nicotine sticks left her voice low, deep, and gravelly—like the welfare queens you might hear on COPS.

She knew it, too. When she began, she dressed in a bikini top and short, short shorts almost every time I saw her (or ass-tight leather pants). Then, as she withered, she dressed more conservatively (at least for a wannabe roadhouse bar)—longer shorts and looser pants, to the point her tops were more “Jersey Girl out in the 1980’s” than Coyote Ugly. She took to wearing a short sleeve button down when going out for a smoke and then “forgetting” to take it off behind the bar. She wasn’t in denial—just trying to hide Father Time’s and Mother Bad Decision’s abusive marks.

I went in there the other night with a 25 year old Russian hottie I’m banging, for the first time in a year. And saw the redhead. Now 31, her face is permanently jowly from the screaming, nicotine, fatty food, and cocks. She’s well on her way to obesity, and doesn’t even bartend any more, even as a fill in—just a manager. Her once strawberry red hair, which was light and airy, is now stringy, greasy, and worn from one too many guys yanking on it. She even has stretch marks—apparently, she had a kid.

When I walked in with hottie, she was sitting at the edge of the bar, encouraging the new girls to act as she did once, when spring was in her step. She looked up at me and her eyes flickered two painful emotions: recognition of my face, and shame. She was shamed by me, a man who once probably openly salivated at her but was too shy to do anything about it, standing there, now confident, brazen, and cocksure, arm around the waist of a girl ten times hotter than her—and also knowing that I remembered her when she could stop a clock. Now, the only thing that stops for her is a bus.

Long story. I think I’ll cross post at my site.

Somewhere in the readership, a trashy, loudmouthed, has-been skank who spent one too many years walking the trail of pecker tears just cried at her reflection in the mirror.

Cautionary tale, ladies. Don’t say you weren’t warned.





Comments


  1. on July 8, 2011 at 1:25 pm Obstinance Works

    I was a badgirl 10 Months later. Was slim and fit, now fat and sloppy.

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  2. on July 8, 2011 at 1:26 pm Obstinance Works

    I saw, not was. Damn.

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  3. “Somewhere in the readership, a trashy, loudmouthed, has-been skank who spent one too many years walking the trail of pecker tears just cried at her reflection in the mirror.”

    Somewhere in the readership a hundred guys, who had been shot down by said skank for their perceived low DMV, just did a fist pump & said, “FU B*tch.”

    I know I did.

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  4. Thanks for posting this. It’s a very sad story :S
    Unfortunately, girls who should read it, probably aren’t reading your blog.
    It should be published in Cosmo.

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    • I am a self proclaimed womens magazine junkie to the core. But that Cosmo magazine is baaaad news. Sometimes I read the articles in AWE at what they are telling young women in their prime to do. At first i would laugh but now I do feel bad for the unknowing young women in their prime who actually buy into that stuff.

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      • neecy: please refrain from posting until your bmi is under 50. thank you

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      • Sean: Please refrain from posting to me until your BMI (Bitch-ass Male Imbicile) is at 0. Thank you..

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      • i was trying to be nice using bmi. i could have just said please refrain from posting until your fat ass face can fit within the confines of a single frame. oh and do something with your hair. it looks like michael jackson after his hair caught on fire.

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      • I lol’d. Though perhaps you should try not to depress readers away from this blog.

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      • Again, what’s the point to all that??? Are you trying to be funny because you weren’t being nice lol.

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      • Renee,

        Sometimes when a young lad is in love and hasn’t quite figured out how to handle those strong emotions towards a girl he likes – he reacts in such a way that would make the girl unsuspecting of his love and admiration. Thus, he pulls her hair, calls her name and points at her laughing (in front of all his friends) not b/c he is an asshole but b/c he just doesn’t know the proper way. Its actually kind of endearing when you think about it.

        What I’m trying to say is, Sean loves me…..

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      • my god…im crying right now. +1

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      • No, Sean, you’re just being a beta jerk.

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      • This isn’t really much of a response. Sorry.

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      • LOL. I meant to post something yesterday, but thought that I was too late to join the discussion. So I just say this.

        I really liked your posts, you held your own here 😉

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      • lolz

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      • on July 9, 2011 at 9:36 am real dreamer

        I stay away from women’s mags. Besides the quality of writing / research being subpar, the advice they give is repetitive and unrealistic. Women aren’t the best judge of men / dating.

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      • Such women’s mag articles are actually written by bitter gay men who dislike that most hot guys are straight and not interested in butt-pounding them.

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      • Sean, this isn’t your blog. And really, that isn’t necessary.

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  5. Men age like wine. Women age like beer.

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  6. Proud of the guy in this story. Thats how its done. Props

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  7. Ah, those 60-$100/night days in crowded bars, hoping to even talk to a girl. I remember them all too well.

    I turn 50 next year, but last nite did a banging 21 YO, 5’3″, 115 pounds, blonde, perfect tits, great ass, huge tat of a pot plant framing her pussy, and freaky face tat, too, for $150, full service. A half-hour is only $120, incall, at a nice hotel by the airport.

    She doesn’t like it on the face, but invited me to bust on her tits. She came so hard from getting doggied that she stayed in position while her ass, with its pink asshole, quivered for about a full five minutes. She’s right near my office, so I’ll probably being doing her as my morning workout rather than the elliptical a coupla times a week.

    If you live anywhere near Tampa, save the Coyote Ugly type place money, save another $20 a week cutting back on lunch, and check her out on backpage.com. Search for “Meah.”

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    • I give her a 3.

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    • admitting youre a cheap trick on a game website is a sad admission of failure.

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    • dude if she didn’t care about you 9 yrs ago, im pretty sure she doesn’t gaf about you now, no matter how much she has withered and no matter how much you try and poeticize it.

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    • I don’t get it. How is buy a prostitute alpha? It may be more honest that most betas, but that’s about it.

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      • 1. who cares if its alpha? what I care about is where my dick is?

        2. when a gorgeous 21 YO’s ass is quivering uncontrollably from the way you doggied her, its alpha

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      • Creepy old man …

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 3:19 pm AKA ROBIN HOOD

        better than a lonely old man… more power to him! And a LOT less to you…

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      • lolololololololololool

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      • I guess he, and, you, have negative SMV – so much so you both are in the red and have to pay to have your wretched products consumed.

        Losers, or, should I say: Omegas.

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      • “Creepy” is the all-purpose mindless insult preferred by femcunts, manginas, and other brainless creatures.

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      • Yes. The only thing that should happen after the word creepy is used is the thunk of the machete into the neck tendons of whoever has used it.

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      • @ Daze. On the night before the world was supposed to end in May, I was out with my best wing-girl, a bisexual Puerto Rican hooker/dominatrix, used the world ending as a line, and ended up picking up a cute 25 YO Puerto Rican that night with less than 10 words spoken before she left the club with me. And it didn’t involve money.

        Within the past 3 years, I’ve had anal on the first date with two under-25 strippers (22 and 24), at their request, and with no money involved other than what I paid while we were out, a large part of which was lap dances I bought from other chicks for me and the chicks I fucked in the ass. The 22 year-old was the second leg of an aunt/daughter team, I having fucked her aunt the year before (again, no money, except for the cost of dinner) the first night out of the box..

        Its true that I can’t just go into a club without a chick winging for me and pick up a chick on any kind of reliable basis. Also, in the interest of full disclosure, the aunt didn’t ask me to put it in her ass (though she did explicitly state that she wanted to fuck all day). But omega? Hardly. Best girlfriend I ever had was a hooker that came back free the next day, and again … and again … and.

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      • “Creepy”? It’s like left/libtards screaming “racist” at anything they don’t like.

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      • Am I the only one who finds irony in the fact that I’m being called “creepy” for commenting about doing whores in response to an article by a guy who goes by the alias of “whorefinder?”

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      • Yes, because no prostitute has *ever* faked an orgasm for a john.

        /rollseyes

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      • She wasn’t faking.

        And its “payah,” not john.

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    • Dirk…I used to live a block of Westshore Blvd. In Tampa. Had a lot of fun at Maggianos and Blue Martini. By the way, I want to be reborn as that granite counter top.

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm The Chrome Microphone

      Don’t see the face tattoo. But goddamn is she terrible. She’s seriously like a 3-4. No way would anyone guess this bitch was 21, she looks like a worn out old hooker who’d been around the block far too many times. I think you fucked a meth head and bragged about it.

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  8. Having a kid notwithstanding, her declining appearance is probably in no way attributable to cocks. It’s certainly not attributable to cock-variety – how is exposure to a hundred cocks going to affect your face, if you don’t get oral herpes? How are 100 cocks once each pin to be different than the same cock 100 times? It’s nice tothink that people’s appearance reflects your perception o their moral worth, but that don’t make it so.

    Her decline is explained wholly by smoking, drinking, baby-making, shitty food, lack of exercise, and time. If shed been a teetotalling yoga master who always slept 10 hours a night and ate right, she could have nailed two different dudes a day for a decade and you couldn’t tell. Of course, epic sluttiness and healthy life choices seldom go hand-in-hand, and you can’t tell by looking, so you never know how much a still-hot 30 year old got around in her youth.

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    • Yes you can when she’s “been rode hard and put away wet.”

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      • I have to agree with Neone. It sounds good in the article to blame the bartender’s decline on numerosity of cocks, but I dated a very active hooker for a year-and-a-half, and when business really kicked in courtesy of craigslist she was with 10 guys a day, 7 days a week for six months, yet at age 33, she looked like she was 11 (it didn’t hurt that she was around 4’9″ and 85 pounds).

        Then again, E. Rekshun has a point.

        Maybe its the partying that often goes with the cocks. My ex partied a lot, but she was a hooker, not a pure slut, and ergo not fucking guys after doing blow with them all night, and not getting rode hard and put away wet by alphas.

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    • You are correct. The dick itself does not effect her body all around. As you pointed out, the conglomeration of bad habits cause the inevitable downfall and to add on to what you said, lets not forget stress and other unhealthy emotions which have the possibility to be gained from all those cocks. A women who does the opposite of everything you said is usually a very high caliber gold digger or prostitute who can turn 1 dick into $1 million and you would never know she was a hustler in the past. But like i said again, its very rare to find this.

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    • Neone123,

      A girl who takes a multiple-times-a-day jackhammering from the same dude (whom she more than likely loves) will look far, far less weathered and battered down by life than her slutty counterpart who receives said jackhammering from dozens of men over the same period, regardless of her ancillary vices.

      Contrary to what you suggest, there’s a good chance she’ll in fact have that attractive aural glow of satisfaction and security that’s missing from the whore’s cock-rattled chackra. The difference is the former is happy and the latter is not, and it shows in the face.

      You’re right that it’s difficult to disentangle the health-(and psyche-)damaging behaviors from each other, as there exists a strong feedback loop between whoring and binging and chainsmoking.

      But at the heart of such a lifestyle is undoubtedly carousel-riding. Very few female drunkards are not continually hopping on a new pony, so it is quite difficult to find the virtuously chaste booze-hounding lady.

      To the extent that they exist, they’re the very particular exception to the rule. How many immoderate prudes do you know of?

      The point is, the central soulkilling behavior is the whoring. Which, of course begets drinking, which enables more whoring. Such a woman takes repeatedly to drink to slow down her hamster and amplify her tingle — rendering herself willingly vulnerable to a near-stranger’s plunging.

      The ensuing aftermath of the stranger’s 4 am departure robs her of the security and bonding opportunity that her sexual favors otherwise might have won for her. Or worse, waking up hungover at 2 pm to witness in daylight last night’s “catch” in still-drunken repose.

      Either way, its probably not the start of something special, from her perspective. And that’s okay, because she’s done it so many times before that if she isn’t yet numbed to the regrets and self-devaluation, she will be after a few Jägerbombs and cigarettes.

      Ever meet a gorgeous lower/working class girl whose mother looks like absolute hell, and wondered what the fuck? The aforementioned is ALWAYS the answer. If she follows the same life-formula of cocks, shots and carbs, the transformative decline will hasten.

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    • Bullshit. Going through 100 breakups, even minor ones (author said she had a new guy every month, and a month is still a “relationship” in today’s world) weighs heavily on a girl’s mind. Stress related decay can be brought on from work, financial trouble, or cock loss.

      I know way too many girls that have that haggard look who got it from serial dating. Most of them weren’t party animals.

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    • on July 12, 2011 at 11:28 am David Rockefeller

      The original post is really two independent stories — her bad choices and his good ones.

      She spends a decade and a half doing stuff she shouldn’t have — and pays the price. He spends a decade and a half being a loser sitting at the bar trying to screw up his courage to approach a girl. But eventually he learns game and starts scoring with hot chicks. Good for him.

      But if he hadn’t learned game, he’d still be sitting at the bar when the fat washed-up bar girl decided he was now the best she could do — and asked him to buy her a drink. And he would have said “Thank the Lord. My ship has come in.”

      Personally, I think the original post is a cautionary tale of what happens to men who don’t learn game. They’re the ones who end up with once-hot chicks long after better men have had their fun and moved on.

      Who here gives a shit about her bad choices? They’re her problem.

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  9. on July 8, 2011 at 2:01 pm betondo fuchatuch

    Man.

    I cannot even begin to recount how many chicks I knew from h/s up and through my early thirties (beta years) that wouldn’t give me the correct time (the 2 ex-wives would give the time back then – grudgingly).

    Now that I’m in my late forties, single, still in athletic shape and very well established with a growing business (and invitations to speechify about it all), I bump into these chicks periodically (or Facebook them for morbid kicks) and I stare with disbelieving eyes. The live encounters can detect my surprise right away – they remember the last time I saw them and how they looked then. The tall tight redhead on my shoulder only makes the encounter worse.

    And here I thought that when these moments finally came, I’d be smug and audaciously arrogant in my success, in business, health and hot humping life. But I actually feel a great pity, like what you’d feel when you bump into someone who bet it all on audio cassette stocks and laughed at you back then for not being as intelligent or worldly as they are.

    Mother Nature is a fucking ruthless accountant.

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  10. I don’t know about this story. For one thing, the bar in the movie Coyote Ugly was much more like Hogs and Heifers than the real Coyote Ugly Saloon. The real Coyote Ugly was a dive bar known for surly bartenders, not for scantily clad chicks shaking their asses on the bar.

    Odds are this is fiction.

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  11. If she were to turn back the clock, what do you think she’d do differently?

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  12. @[email protected]:

    ever notice how skanky women seem to age faster than non-skanky women? Cocks-receivage does age women faster. It’s a sad truth. Something about multiple one night stands make a woman look haggard well before her time.

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    • on July 11, 2011 at 2:15 pm The Anti-Gnostic

      Sex is a REALLY good way to spread pathogens among strangers. What you’re seeing may be the product of a lot of urinary tract and vaginal infections. Maybe some bouts with syphilis and gonorrhea as well.

      All the research in this area is skewed by political correctness. Homosexual men die 20 years earlier on average. Nobody ever wonders if years of amyl nitrate and having lesions in your lower intestine might be bad for you. Rather, it must be this killer virus that just came out of nowhere or was planted by the Reagan administration. Same thing for women who spread for whoever and whatever. Their immune systems are trying to keep up with a huge pathogen load. It takes its toll.

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    • on July 11, 2011 at 7:38 pm incubus tickler

      Working class girls often have bad lifestyles – cheap beer and whiskey, shitty food, not enough sleep and exercise – and they often tend to be sluts.
      The lifestyle ravages their bodies & faces; ther slutiness is also a function of their bad choices.

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  13. Great post! And oh so true. I’ve seen it myself a dozen times.

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  14. Sad story is sad.

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  15. Mother Nature is a fucking ruthless accountant.

    I think it’s more that women who were blessed genetically, didn’t stay on top of things as they got older.

    Girls who’ve always had to bust ass to look good don’t have this problem.

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  16. Nomination for best post of the year!

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  17. Hi Kids! Today’s post on Citizen Renegade is brought to you by the word “Schadenfreude”.

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  18. Good story, but something is creepy about it. I don’t remember a girl I fucked 10 months ago, yet the author has vivid recollections about a bartender from 10 YEARS ago, who probably doesn’t even know his name.

    I feel that he is upset she did not give him attention when she was younger and better looking. I mean if you’re banging hotter now, why do you care if she is “shamed” or not? Girl got ragged, gotcha, but the bitterness in the author’s tone suggests he hasn’t gotten over her.

    If you asked the bartender to write in, I’m sure her story would be something along the lines of, “There is this guy who has been stalking me for 10 years……”

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    • I remember all the bartenders at the bar I used to work at. I only pop in occasionally, and I haven’t worked there in 4 years, so I don’t think it’s so much a stretch to remember a particular bartender. If the author really was as gameless in his youth as he claims; she was probably one of the most interacted with, attractive women in his life.

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 6:56 pm whorefinder

        Roosh, you opened your classic book, Bang (I have a copy and am a fan) with an anecdote of a girl in Persian-looking girl in your college who began your quest for game when you became her beta orbiter (at first–then your game skills began and she actually became attracted to you).

        We all have women we remember from our early days, usually because they were the unattainable ones who inspired us to get better or we pedestaliazed until we finally snapped and came back to earth.

        I don’t think she remembers me at all, btw, except as a customer. That wasn’t the point of the piece. The point was that she was now embarrassed of herself in front of me—a stranger, really to her—and yet I, who had put her on the pedestal, now no longer thought of her that way.

        I thought you would agree that moving from putting her on a pedestal to seeing her and all her faults was a good progression.

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      • whorefinder: I completely agree with your aging-bar-hag thesis. I also agree that girls that reject us in our past come to regret it when their market value plummets.

        My objection was that your revenge tone was strong, especially for a girl who didn’t directly hurt you. If I saw the Persian girl now looking ugly while I was with a hot Polish 20 y/o, I wouldn’t get satisfaction from that encounter.

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 8:07 pm whorefinder

        I don’t get satisfaction from her being in poor shape. If my tone came off as such, I apologize. I would rather her still be in her pristine -early 20’s shape with my game increased as it is now. Time and poor choices is hell on a woman much more than a man.

        I feel nothing but sadness from her. Her fall should be lesson for women everywhere who are young and hot: soon enough you will be ragged and old if you don’t keep yourself up.

        I can be a mean bastard, but this girl did me no wrong, I feel no ill towards her.

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      • I remember bartenders from old hangouts I frequented ten years ago that I didn’t want to fuck. Ran into one recently. Some people just have really good memories.

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    • Nice response, Roosh. More likely here story would be… nothing. She never even noticed the guy, let alone was “shamed” by him.

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 6:59 pm whorefinder

        No, I never thought she noticed me as someone to be attracted to, nor does now. I thought she recognized me as a former beta worshipper when now she realized she couldn’t get me to bow down like I used to, to her ravaged body and my improvement in game.

        Like I said, she only knew my face from my former frequency, like any decent bartender does.

        I hold no animosity towards her, only sadness that I didn’t have game when she was hot, and that she is now washed up and unattractive. I truly agree with Roissy’s sentiment that he wishes we could find a cure for the disease of ageing for a woman. Not hate here, only sadness.

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    • i’m surprised you would say this Roosh. people have widely different capacities for memory than others, and whorefinder spelled out that he was semi-recognizable to her in the context of that environment but wouldn’t be on the street. Calling his story creepy seems like something a shaming fem-cunt would say, not a guy who knows that it often takes slights over the years from others in order to motivate oneself to step up to better levels. Are you really saying that you wouldn’t feel triumphant if you ran into some bloated cow that shut you down years ago when you were a stone cold dork? That it wouldn’t make for a good story?

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      • “Are you really saying that you wouldn’t feel triumphant if you ran into some bloated cow that shut you down years ago when you were a stone cold dork? ”

        That’s the thing.. she didn’t shut him down. He never made an attempt.

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 8:10 pm whorefinder

        Agreed. I never tried once. And she was never mean to me. So I feel no ill towards her.

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      • The implication of, course, is that those women who are mean to decent guys deserve the Schadenfreude those same men feel later on. Moral of the story gals: don’t be mean to men while you’re hot for a few moments.

        Look at this Republican Presidential candidate, Michele Bachmann, who pretended to belong to the small government Tea Party:

        http://www.startribune.com/local/125249444.html

        She’s pledged to ban pornography and slavery (prostitution). It’s finally plain as day that the Tea Party was hijacked.

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      • No the Tea Party was NOT hijacked. It has always been a phenomenon of Authoritarian Conservatives (under the MBTI, they are STJ); they SAY they want small gov, but they actually want gov to be infinitely powerful – to force on everyone the most vindictive version of whatever religion is popular in a given country.

        And Michele Bachmann will continue to be popular w/ them, because they will support any authority figure who simply SAYS THE RIGHT WORDS.

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      • Bachmann fits in perfectly with the tea party. These people are not libertarians, they are conservative fascists.

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      • I’d rather have them then the chicago-wall street-jew mafia running things now. Hope and change.. haha plz.

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 6:59 pm whorefinder

      Roosh, you opened your classic book, Bang (I have a copy and am a fan) with an anecdote of a girl in Persian-looking girl in your college who began your quest for game when you became her beta orbiter (at first–then your game skills began and she actually became attracted to you).

      We all have women we remember from our early days, usually because they were the unattainable ones who inspired us to get better or we pedestaliazed until we finally snapped and came back to earth.

      I don’t think she remembers me at all, btw, except as a customer. That wasn’t the point of the piece. The point was that she was now embarrassed of herself in front of me—a stranger, really to her—and yet I, who had put her on the pedestal, now no longer thought of her that way.

      I thought you would agree that moving from putting her on a pedestal to seeing her and all her faults was a good progression.

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    • Thank you Roosh! When this guy posted this in the comment section I was the girl who argued with him.

      The girl was never mean to him. If she had been then I think this post would have merit. I do agree that ‘riding the cock carousel’ is not healthy living by any means and ages you.

      And being a girl, I don’t like the underlying idea that if a girl has a baby then 5 weeks after she gives birth some guy whose been harboring some weird obsession back from highschool or what not is going to be all mean to me.

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      • FTR, I really do understand the whole ‘wanting to be better than people you’ve pedastalized’ thing, or the ‘pedastalizing the wrong type of people to begin with’ thing.

        And I can’t wait for the day when I walk past certain people (all females who I have a gripe with) with my shit all together 🙂 You get the idea.

        I think those issues are seperate from slutty women aging fast, which I agree with.

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      • (I am well aware that I shouldn’t have posted at all. I should have been content that someone agreed with me and sat silently, but it happens so rarely that we all need our validation)

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      • oh fuck i forgot to change the name back argh

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      • Whorefinder,

        I have been thinking about this all night. I now 100% get it.

        What angered me was the bitterness in your post, especially since the woman did not do you any harm.

        But now I understand! This woman, by merely working in the bar (and the multiple men of course), was an affront to your sensibilities. The sensibility being that a virtuous woman, a woman to aspire to, a woman to love, a woman to place on a pedestal would never even be in that situation to begin with.

        By her working in the bar and lowering herself in that manner, she did harm you. She harmed you because she did not live up to who she should have been. Which in turn inspires you to be a better man as well.

        The bitterness comes from the fact that you actually on some level cared for her which is why 10 years later she is still on your mind.

        I get it.

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      • My reaction to your post is a byproduct of living in a society which values personal freedom above all else, as long as you don’t hurt someone else. But that’s a bunch of bullshit as everyone is interconnected in some way. When women work in bars and lower themselves as sluts it may not ‘hurt’ men per se, but it does! It shows men that what they aspire in life to love is not pure or not worthy of their toil. That in turn leads men to hopelessness, bitterness, and devoid of the will to defend society.

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  19. Excellent piece. May the women make better choices…

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  20. Now 31, her face is permanently jowly from the screaming, nicotine, fatty food, and cocks.

    Gloating over the inevitable aging
    of a fallen enemy is pointless,
    unless you had the joy of defeating them in their prime.

    I’m sure I’d get real satisfaction out of kicking my now septuagenarian former 5th grade teacher’s ass.

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    • This is short sighted; everyone should remember their end-game and not obsess about day to day particulars. Life isn’t a sprint, it’s a marathon.

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 7:01 pm whorefinder

      I’m not gloating in the piece, just pointing out the sad facts as I see them. Trust me, she was never an enemy of mine, and really is a sweet girl, I’m just despairing at the ravages of time and poor decisions on a formerly hot girl.

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  21. on July 8, 2011 at 3:27 pm Woman from Finland

    Women with a lot of one night stands seem to age faster, I’ve noticed it too. Their face look hardened. I think it has something to do with getting your heart broken time after time (or if it’s not heartbreak, it’s regretting the whole thing). Going through all that emotion wears your face down, I guess. That’s why 100 cocks x 1 ages a woman a lot more than 1 cock x 100. Women who have only had few long term relationship can have beautiful serenity, softness and sincerity in their face — something that a 100-cock skank will never have.

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  22. Looking for some advice here:

    I’m in my 40s, good looking, but have spent too many years sitting behind a desk. I have been socializing and occasionally working with an attractive younger woman, around 30, who is in my field but does not work in my company. Professionally, I would describe myself as her senior colleague. In the past, she attended some seminars I gave. I find her very desirable but try not to give off a lecherous vibe when around her. I think she is being a little flirtatious with me, in terms of her smiling and body language, and she recently gave me a cheek kiss after we had lunch together. Does she sound open to a personal relationship? Should I make a move on her?

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    • Jake —

      Whether she’s open to a “personal relationship” or not, yes of course you should make a move. Otherwise you’ll let it slip away and regret being so hesitant and cowardly. What’s life more about: romance or workplace formality? The answer is obvious.

      If you’re good-looking as you say and she’s flirting with you, why would the word “lecherous” even enter your mind? She ain’t fifteen here. She should be so lucky, given her proximity to the Wall. Operate from that perspective.

      If you haven’t already shot yourself in the foot by acting beta around her, then you should focus your efforts to make the next encounter at night (i.e. not lunch, too platonic).

      I suggest texting her, if you’re already on some level of texting terms: “I want a drink, lets have one”

      If you are able to catch her to say it in person, do so. Press your status advantage and compel her.

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      • You will only be deemed “lecherous” if your advances are unwelcome. All signs point to them being welcome here. Do you want an engraved invitation to make a move? Just ask her out for a drink – in person, not by text. Texting is a way to spare yourself the embarrassment in front of her if you are rejected. However, if you are rejected, the best thing to do is accept it gracefully and move on.

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  23. on July 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Thank you Mark Zuckerberg for creating the single greatest time-comparative engine men have ever known. I’m not a big fan of Face Book from a male standpoint, but if it has any redeeming aspect it’s that it provably shows men, in stark contrast how women’s SMV declines. This is driven home all the better because the subject women are usually ones he’s known personally for a few years.

    I entered my 20s in the early 90s, well before the internet went mainstream. I can vividly remember the women I was banging then and the one’s who wouldn’t have a thing to do with me. Now I see them 20 years later thanks to social media and every single one is just ravaged by time and lifestyle. I’ve accepted friend requests from women who’s memory from 20+ years ago are ones of flirtatious, beautiful lust-inspiring youth, all to be shattered when I see photos of them in their late 30s and early 40s. Then I pray to God and thank Him for sparing me from being yoked to cows like that inspite of my consuming desire at the time to get with them.

    Take a minute to digest this: we are really the first generation of men to have such a convenient comparative tool. There was a time when a man could get with (or not) some girl he fancied and never see her again. Young men hear all the time how inconsequential the women they pine for really are in the grand scheme of things. Now the older men giving him advice have a tool to prove and emphasize that advice, and women have cause to lament the ugly, provable truth.

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    • You’re not kidding. I don’t think I’ve ever run across an ex-girlfriend (or ex-crush) from years ago and regretted losing her. Sometimes the deterioration is shocking.

      Just last week, I was chatting with a girl I had a one-night-stand with a few years ago. At the time, she was in great shape, tall and tight, looking younger than her years. I was heartbroken when she broke it off the next morning out of buyer’s remorse (she hadn’t “officially broken up with her boyfriend yet, and felt guilty about jumping into my bed ten minutes after she arrived). So I hadn’t chatted with her for over a year, and it turns out she got married. She mentioned she’s on medication for something or other that’s made her gain 20 pounds (which means it’s probably more like 40, of course). She was tall and slim enough that that wouldn’t make her a whale, but it can’t be good, and it’s obviously making her unhappy, which leads to stress, which exacerbates weight gain…. When she flirted, I didn’t really have the heart to flirt back.

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm Wrecked 'Em

      A friend of mine, a bit older than I, has spent all his time on Facebook systematically locating every women he ever knew, went to school with, or held a door for. ( I told him that I promised to visit him in prison when he was ultimately arrested for industrial stalking )

      He had a weird penchant for sending me pictures of him 30 years ago with these old girlfriends and commenting how they “still look good” despite the fact that, to a woman, looking at their hideous decrease in hotness over the years made my eyes hurt.

      Fortunately, replying with pictures of the 24-y.o. centerfold-class hardbody I am currently seeing was sufficient to get him to take his mewing elsewhere.

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    • Every hot woman I knew from my teens has hit the wall. I’m 43. I occasionally meet a genuine 40-year-old hottie (on the sliding scale, of course I prefer them younger) and they were all late bloomers (and didn’t ride the cock carousel).

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  24. Woman from Finland —

    I just replied above with more or less the same sentiments, and I have to second your distillation of the whore-depreciation phenomenon into what should be (if it isn’t already) one of the Chatue’s maxims:

    “100 cocks one time each is far more taxing on a woman’s prime asset — her looks — than the inverse of one cock 100 times.”

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  25. Don’t give me this shit.

    All the reasons you listed for her ageing?

    Not fucking one of them adds up to the number one cause, dickheads.

    SS…U….UU…NN. ahhahaaa.

    Got it? Oh wait, none of you have an education because you’re all stinking republicans with dung for brains. oops.

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 5:13 pm Wrecked 'Em

      I see the “Leave” link on bedwetters.com is randomly sending traffic to this blog again.

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      • She (?) is hardly wrong.

        Look around at women you consider attractive and unattractive. A good portion of the time, women in the latter category will have heavy sun damage. While a woman who is merely fat can usually lose the weight if she has enough discipline, sun damage is hard to reverse, maybe impossible without resorting to visiting plastic surgeons.

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      • High fructose corn syrup+excessive tanning+sugary bar drinks+lack of sleep= Most American wall hitters.

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    • we liked you better when you were TJF

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    • alright genius, the problem with your theory is that most women receive similar amount of sun, especially in modern times since nowadays most people and even moreso women stay indoors. So given that sunlight is a constant, the variable has to be something else, and pole jumping seems to be a pretty good bet, given most people’s observation in real life.

      Sun does have different effects on ageing on different ethnicities, for example I find that black women hold up much better with age, melanin helps them fight the sun’s rays.

      Aditionally in many animals sex is also linked with either ageing, death or sacrifice. Not saying we are trouts, but there are many fundamental commonalities among animals esp between similar families of animals.

      Anyway you are a dumbass, a dickhead and possibly a leftie. Go educate yourself and be open minded

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      • Another reason we should move to East Asia 🙂

        I don’t think sunscreen is the best option – these newer UV filters are probably not very healthy and the older, mineral filters make you look white. There’s no perfect UV filter, at least I haven’t found any. Asian girls just use (besides sunscreen and heavy make-up) parasol, which is much cheaper, healthier and is not time-consuming as is applying and removing the suncream.

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      • No. This obsession about UV rays is not healthy – you need vitamin D as well. There was always sun on this planet, I guess, so it’s probably not good to avoid it 100%.
        About the filters. I didn’t have systemic toxicity in mind, but skin toxicity.
        Same problem with nanoparticles. How do you know that they don’t penetrate the skin?
        Sunscreen for everyday use? No thanks.

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      • Bitch doesn’t know about oxidative damage caused by alcohol metabolism. Sun has a very profound effect in skin aging, but a shitty lifestyle will cause systematic damage.

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      • 1. ok i guess then the bar girl could use a lot of sunscreen while fucking around in the middle of the night and save herself from ageing. Ur use of sunscreen has nothing to do with what I was saying.

        2. Negative behaviour ages you in sevaral different ways (and photoageing is one form of ageing but your skin can age for multiple reasons not just the sun) and is usually associated with multiple forms of degradation (voice, hair, nails, disease, attitude) as evident in the bar girl in this story which makes your photoageing theory irrelevant.

        3. This bar girl like many city dwellers live for the night time and avoid the outside in the morning and most city dwellers do not even remotely get the amount of sun like people used to 100 years ago and people in underdeveloped countries where people primarliy work outside doing real work in the sun, Yet imho the ageing in bar girls or white women in the western world is significant. It is telling, that many of these women look old even after using loads and loads of beuaty products and beauty related technology (an exercise in deception) which is largely unavailable in the outside world. Again your photoageing theory is irrelevant.

        4. sun exposure in the US is close ot the world average I believe.

        P.S. you dont have to be white to see the impractical/unnatural/illogical/whimsical basis, means and ends of modern western leftist thought. Be open minded, stop the hating and don’t be so Ignorant.

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      • also please get to explaining why foreign women, nearly all of them from countries hotter than northern europe and america, are so much better at avoiding this problem.

        then get to explaining the damage that COLD can do to the skin

        Then get to damage that the modern cosmetics and “skinCARE” treatments and products do to skin.

        Then get to the many health benefits of sun exposure, that includes skin health and much more.

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      • on July 14, 2011 at 2:56 pm Beer Monkey

        It’s called evolution, dude. Europeans and North Americans aren’t as genetically equipped for long sun exposure.

        10 minutes in the midday sun in a tank top gives you all the vitamin D you need.

        Skanks and whores LOVE tanning booths. And it destroys white womens’ skin, turning it into saggy leather.

        The ONLY white women you ever see with beautiful skin past age 40 are the ones who avoided suntanning as a hobby.

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      • This is how we know you don’t know what you are talking about.

        An actual intelligent person would suggest staying out of sunlight.

        Not suncreams.

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      • It is true that most skanks seem to love the tanning bed and all-inclusive resorts. It does ruin the skin. The more demure girls are less likely to artificially age their epidermis.

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  26. You all sound like some bitter fucks. I love beautiful women, and they love me. It saddens me when beautiful women age, as that’s one less piece of art in an often drab world.

    Those of you who take glee in the destruction of beauty aren’t fooling guys like me. There’s no fucking way you’re pulling hot ass in your 30’s. You remain bitter, dejected, sexless dregs.

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    • Mike they don’t make em like you much anymore. Beautifully written.

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      • “You all sound like some bitter fucks. I love beautiful women, and they love me. It saddens me when beautiful women age, as that’s one less piece of art in an often drab world.

        Those of you who take glee in the destruction of beauty aren’t fooling guys like me. There’s no fucking way you’re pulling hot ass in your 30′s. You remain bitter, dejected, sexless dregs.

        Because no hot woman in her 20’s wants to fuck a 35-45 year-old guy. That’s why those 25 year-old guys are so damned happy.

        Hey. Check out this real honest-to-goodness genuine LV bag I picked up in San Fran. My GF doesn’t need any more. I’ll let you have it for half price.

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    • on July 9, 2011 at 4:05 am Shad N. Freude

      Mike, some men can still pull hot ass in their 50’s or even older.

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    • You must have some poor ass genes and living habits, coz in my 30s i’m getting better ass than ever.

      Never been better looking, stronger, wealthier and more attractive to women.

      whats wrong with YOU?

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      • Mike,

        guys here are right, it’s very easy for a guy in thirties to find a cute younger girlfriend. But only when he’s a positive person, has a good personality, is not lazy, looks healthy, … etc. Unfortunately many guys in thirties are annoying, fat, childish. Women are not attracted to lazy and needy men, who can’t give anything (and I don’t mean money!) and are only demanding all the time. In fact, we avoid such men like the plague.

        Don’t worry, you still have time to change yourself!

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    • I’m pulling way hotter women at 43 than I was at 25. I entice them away from twentysomething herbivore men with regularity. My social value is just way higher than most young dudes’.

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  27. This song by Toby Keith suits the topic perfectly about women who are over the hill who are confronted by the men who they turned down in their prime who are now living it up.

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  28. Good lord, that is a well-written bit.

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  29. You know, I have a new respect for Mr. Keith. Spot on.

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  30. on July 8, 2011 at 6:51 pm whorefinder

    Heartsie, I would like to thank you for posting my piece and offering a link to my site. However, the link is a bit off in your piece. Here’s the link to my site.

    http://whoresoftheinternet.wordpress.com/

    thank you.

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  31. don’t know you but i’m proud of you whorefinder

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  32. While I can agree that young women need to take stock in their lifestyles and have more control over their sexual escapades, you all need to GROW UP! Its not her fault you didn’t have the gonads to get her when you wanted her. I’m not sure what half of you expect these HOT women in their prime to do – while you sit on your arses waiting for them to approach you and make your life easier as a man who can’t handle rejection. Too bad. You missed out and she didn’t. She had her time and fun and obviously you aren’t even there yet if you are still talking about HER. If you are so called “banging young hotties now” you would never write such a long winded post on a woman who saw you as just another bar patron.

    Men & people who are truly happy and living their lives, don’t look back.

    If you are scouring Facebook looking for women in the past who wouldn’t have spit on you if you were on fire, then you have bigger issues to worry about than them aging. Get off your damn computer, stop being bitter and get laid. PLEASE!

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 7:11 pm whorefinder

      Feminist shaming techniques 101-104. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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      • I can’t figure out what this woman did that was so wrong to make him lash out at her and mock her like this. She NEVER rejected him, she actually talked with him. I mean What gives? Why all the hate directed towards her. He never tried to even hook up woth her! She *worked* in a bar. Its not like she was hanging out at the bar every night to pick up men and drink.

        i just don’t get it. On one hand you guys are happy about the young hot women who are willing to sleep around with you, then in the same breathe you put them down for doing just that. I’m confrused. LOL

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 7:45 pm whorefinder

        A typical woman: she thinks telling a fact-based story is “lashing out.” Too solipsistic and intellectually shallow to get it.

        Probably also screams about “hate facts” in other contexts.

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      • Ok. If you made the post as a warning to young women who live a very fast lifestyle to slow down b/c of the consequences it has on health and looks later down the road, then I get it. Other than that, I don’t understand what you were getting at – besides looking down on her for not giving you the time of day in the past (even though you never tried to get with her).

        And then my last question is this: What are young women who ignore guys who don’t approach them supposed to do. Are you guys wanting these women to approach you first? Is this going to avoid them from being put down later?

        I’m just simply trying to understand and get an idea. I’m new here.

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 8:12 pm whorefinder

        Other than that, I don’t understand what you were getting at
        –and women wonder why they have accomplished so little in history.

        What are young women who ignore guys who don’t approach them supposed to do.
        –this story isn’t about that at all. But you’re too dense to get it, you sub-normal-IQ land beast.

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      • LOL Alrighty then I guess this discussion is over. I hope you find happiness. You seem very angry..

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 7:48 pm whorefinder

        Trust me, Neecy; when I’m mean to someone you’ll know it.

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    • I’ll assume you had too much Robitussin and thought you were posting on The Frisky. Pointing your finger and shaming like an Italian grandmother doesn’t go down well here.

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      • I’m just saying isn’t this site all about moving forward and being happy? oh and getting laid? Why such a long post on a woman from a billion years ago who the author DIDN’T even TRY to get?

        Its not nice…..

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    • you look like a pig. i would rather hear the opinion of a dog barking than you. oh wait, they are one in the same. woof woof

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      • LOL a loser male on a site that teahces you how to get laid can *NEVER* insult me. Now if you actually had enough testosterone to get a girl without reading a blog or book, then I may be insulted. Until then, you are nothing but a BITCH who needs the help of a blog to get laid. meow meow!!

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      • If I’m a bitch who needs the help of a blog to get laid, what is a woman who spends big money in a beauty parlour, nail salon, tanning booth, aerobics class, step dance class, Weight Watchers membership and several subscriptions to Elle, Cosmo and Modern Bride?

        You mind yourself, Missy, that you don’t stoop to the level of people who abuse you. Rise above vulgarity so that it does not place its stench upon you.

        Now watch how many people call me a worthless mangina White Knight douchebag asshole, and then see how I respond to it.

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      • You’re right. I guess that is what comes with posting your pic online. But sometimes a girl has to claw her enemy.

        ok. I’m over it – Back to having fun 🙂 Putting my ignore goggles on. As long as they’re making posts to me, then I know my opinions are relevant.

        so how’s work today..

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      • Work is going well. I just got back from Wendy’s where I feasted upon a #4 Double Baconater w/cheese and a sinfully vanilla shake. I have been low-carbing it for so many months I decided to go postal. When I got back, all of my tools were working and there’s loads of wafers in the pipeline to process, so I feel less like a layoff waiting to happen. Big happiness! And Big Burger Breath, too.

        God, but I loathe the night shift, though. I feel like Raccoon Man, Defender of the Nocturnal World.

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      • Wendy’s! Although I hate fast food, and it hates me too, If I must have some due to needing a quickie meal, Wendy’s is my first and usually only top choice.

        How many lbs. did you lose low carbing? I started a 21 day diet/cleanse/detox and got sick this week and had to stop. I cannot eat any beef, chicken, turkey. JUST fish. And only deep sea fish – salmon, sea bass etc.

        Night shift job? I’m sorry. I know your Circadian rhthym with sleep is totally screwed up. I was a sleep med pharma rep for a long time, and most people with night shift jobs have really bad sleep patterns b/c of it. But on the bright side – you can always go to the beach during the day while everyone else is sitting in an office cubicle day dreaming about the beach.

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      • I went from 214 lbs to 181 in two months.

        Salmon is awesome! Although I also love boneless fillet of native rainbow trout marinated in Reisling wine and served baked over a bed of bismati rice and roasted yellow and orange peppers and served with a glass of Ferrari-Carano Pouilly-Fume (2008).
        It’s not Wendy’s, but it’ll do in a pinch.

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      • Niice at the weight drop. How tall are you?

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      • 6’0″ in my bare feet.
        5’7″ when standing in a pothole.
        6’7″ when dressed in a tuxedo w/white silk scarf and holding a martini glass.

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      • LOVE IT! You sure you’re not including the cowboy hat in this? 😉 I kid, I kid.

        Yes I actually went on a date with a guy who included a HAT in his height – b/c “he always wears hats so may as well just add that in”. I’m not even lying. LOL

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      • I had a cowboy hat on my head only once–in a high-end men’s shop in Fort Worth, Texas. It was a $375 Stetson and on the rack it looked GOOOOOOOD!

        On my head it made me look like a cast extra from Brokeback Mountain. Eeeeeeeewwwww!!

        I wear Greek Fisherman’s hats, baseball caps or Just For Men hair coloring…nothing else. That goddamned cowboy hat traumatized me (rather oddly, the stawberry blonde wig I put on when shitfaced in college went over hugely with the ladies.

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  33. Beautifully written, Woman from Finland.

    Also, Esa Tikkanen is an asshole.

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  34. Anyone, male or female, who hangs out in bars a lot is going to age faster than people who dont hang out. Bars are known as places to drink, smoke, and stay up til 2:00 AM, all of which are damaging as hell on your health.

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    • EXACTLY. I feel bad for her in a way b/c she was never mean to him. I can understand maybe mocking women who are mean, rude and hurtful when it comes to rejection. But she was by his admission nice and talkative towards him. How the heck was she supposed to know he wanted her?

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 7:46 pm whorefinder

        Please point out where I was “mean” to her, Neecy. By tell you about the facts of life?

        Reality is mean to women, apparently.

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      • My taking from the post is that when you were to afraid to approach a woman like her, you saw her interacting with men who apparently weren’t. You missed out on being with her. I get the idea you felt as if she should have made the first move with you? What did you want from this woman, that you would mock her now. I’m trying to read between the lines here.

        Now that you have seen her 10 years later you are talking down about her looks (which I don’t doubt may be haggard) but why? . Like i said, if this woman was a bitch to you and was mean and hurtful to you through rejection, I wouldn’t say anything. And how do you know she wouldn’t have possibly taken you up on an offer to go out – had you tried. I guess I am trying to understand this idea that you all hate women like her who while in their prime slept around, but don’t seem to be bothered by it when the young women you are screwing now are doing just that with you. Does that make sense?

        And I am also trying to understand the point of this post b/c if all young attractive women did the opposite what many of you on here are putting them down for, then how would you ever get laid so readily by those very young hot women you desire?

        I hope this is making sense.

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      • on July 8, 2011 at 8:10 pm whorefinder

        lol. What?????

        I merely am telling the truth, not *mocking* her. She made poor choices in life and, being a woman, has to pay the bill to pay now. I made better ones, and, being a man, my poor ones haven’t hurt me.

        Why? Both as a warning to braindead cunts like you and as a sad story for the men here. Every guy has some young high school or college girl on a pedestal whom he hasn’t seen in years. Once he finds that pedestal ripped away by time and chance, he will loathe it, but it will remind him that no woman is as perfect as his white knight-brain pretends to be.

        Get bent, whore. You don’t make sense.

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      • Why are you getting so upset. I am honestly asking you what the problem was. That’s it. Your first paragraph (in this response) explains it. No need for all the extra name calling and such.

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      • Every guy on the planet that isn’t gay wants to fuck attractive women who are nice to them.

        The difference between young hot nice girls and young hot nice guy bartenders is one gets rewarded in tips by orbiters and one gets sex.

        The entire post isn’t about how ugly she’s become, it’s about how far the man has come and if the woman wasn’t so busy having fun with the assholes she could’ve snagged a decent guy before he become a cold eyed lady killer. In part because all the beautiful women pushed him to it.

        Your attitude implies that only natural alphas are worthy of any sex and betas should just fuck off and die. What’s sad is that the subtlety of female receptiveness and the open scorn of betas or “spineless” guys for not actively trying to seduce is somehow perfectly compatible to most “modern” women.

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      • Anon,
        I actually prefer Betas so I am not looking down on the “shy” guys at all nor do I find them “spineless” b/c they were too shy or possibly unsure of themselves at a certain point in time when it came to talking to beautiful women. And actually there are “modern” women who do have more patience and liking for the laid back unsure guy b/c we understand rejection for males is very tough. Especially since men are expected to be the hunters. So in essence, I know its not easy trying to snag a beautiful girl for most men.
        But since you explained it further I am reading between the lines. So women need to understand early on that while at the prime of her youth and beauty she should be focused on finding the nice decent guy – which is better for her in the long run than sleeping around with a bunch of jerks who want to use her for sex – only for her later to find herself not as young or beautiful as she was and having a harder time trying to snag the “good guy” who is out now eyeing women who are still in the prime of their youth and beauty. Ok i can get with that. If that is the lesson here, I’m on board.

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      • Neecy

        I actually prefer Betas

        your statement is well made as that choice behavior is totally normal for high T girls

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      • I may regret asking this but.. What is a High T girl?

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      • Testosterone. You’re getting it but you’re also trying to shame some of the messengers here. Whorefinder’s post was well written and didn’t really mean more than the lesson you’re on board with.

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      • damn,i pay you a complement and you mistake it and get all mean.

        fine
        mout

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      • WAAAAIIIIT! HUUUUH? All i did was sincerely ask what a High T girl is!!! Its not like there is a glossary of terms on this blog for us newbies. Fire – come back….

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      • I’m not trying to shame anyone. Like I said, while I personally find the post mean spiritied, I also understand the grey area of what the real point was.

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    • Agreed. When I go to a bar (which is rarely), I’m there to have a few beers and some laughs with a buddy. When it comes to finding women for sex, the internet has proven more bounteous than I ever would have believed.

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  35. yeah – it’s sort of obvious, but good fucking doesn’t age women. In fact, sex where she’s getting off is healthy and great for circulation. This means great skin, hormone balance, ect.

    Bad for aging: (1) smoking (2) tanning (3) unhealthy food (4) too much alcohol (5) lack of sleep from babies. (6) stress

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 7:46 pm whorefinder

      Yawn. Roissy has written about this. Sluts are like war vets: after that many cock-assaults, they get the thousand yard stare and look older than their years.

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      • Fucking itself doesn’t age anybody. (aside from pregnancy and/or disease) A good fuck (good sex, not mediocre or bad sex) is healthy for men and for women. This is obvious. The body loves the endorphins, the exercise, the circulation, and the orgasams. Good sex is healthy; too much chastity or bad sex isn’t healthy.

        Stupid relationships and lots of multiple partners are probably coorelated with drinking, stress, relationship drama, ect. But corelation is not causation. If a woman has good sexual and relationship experiences – multiple cocks are not going to age somebody. If anything, multiple partners would prevent aging more then many years of the same cock if the LRT sex is not good sex.

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      • on July 12, 2011 at 3:46 am whorefinder

        Multiple partners ages a woman very quickly. The kind of cock-carousal women ride these days makes them seem bitter old hags at 30. Plastic surgery can only do so much….up close, they’re just worn out catcher’s mitts.

        Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt, kiddo.

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    • Good LTR fucking doesn’t age her. But pumps and dumps harden her personality, which becomes reflected in her face.

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      • eh – that’s if she’s involved in drama = stress. Stress ages people and is hard on the health.

        As long as she’s not emotionally stressed out, good fucking is good fucking. Good sex = healthy.

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      • No. Woman can’t have several partners without being stressed. No matter how good is the sex with these men. Good sex makes a woman fall in love with her partner and every following heartbreak is stressful. Stress is a big factor in aging. Cortisol is harmful by itself, but stress can also induce behaviours like smoking, drinking, overeating. This is probably not apparent at a very young age and with just a few partners, though.

        Our brain is prepared to find a good man and to make and have babies with him 🙂 Sorry, guys. Women will never behave like prostitutes/sluts without being severely damaged in their heads. Blame Darwin.

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      • Blame Darwin ANNND Oxytocin.

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      • No need for ‘and’ here, oxytocin is evolution’s fault.

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      • Maybe not several partners at once… 🙂

        Otherwise, if there’s no drama it’s healthy. Some women can do this. Others cannot. Good sex is a good thing and great for the body. Sex helps fight heart disease and all sorts of thing.

        Of course, a single mother working at Coyote Ugly is unlikely to figure out how to have good sex without drama.

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  36. I set up a FB account about a year ago, and got friended by a bunch of hotties I knew in high school, or hotties several year younger than me I hadn’t seen since my early twenties. I am froty yrs old, BTW. In my prime.

    It was a genuine shock to see those girls’ current photos, many being puffy, cut hair, middle aged women, not even a shadow of their former sexiness. The feeling I can describe is sadness. Memories of making out in my parents’ car in the dark, circa 1988… like another world, that maybe never existed.

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    • on July 9, 2011 at 9:45 am real dreamer

      I am only in my early 20s and have already noticed this with girls from my middle / hs days. And it is sad how people let themselves go.

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  37. For Christ’s sake, can’t we find a way to keep Neecy from posting on this site?

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  38. on July 8, 2011 at 8:29 pm Crispus E Shays

    Bittersweet story. There’s always heartbreak when a woman loses her beauty. However, props to the man!

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  39. Neecy, question for you: in your view, if the author of the piece had been rejected over and over (and in embarassing fashion a number of times) by women who weren’t actually HER, but who looked like her, acted like her and generally lived like her, would the author’s feelings then be justified? Is it really that shocking to you that he didn’t make a pass at her at that point in his life? Or has it become immoral, illogical, illegal, whatever to extrapolate a trend based on a series of similar experiences, and act accordingly? Do you think guys are actually being physically held back from approaching the kind of girls they want? Or might the answer be that they’re vividly aware of what awaits them if they do try approaching the hottie who’s sleeping with a different badboy biker every week?

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    • I’m going to break this post up.
      Well since I am a firm believer in not being rude to anyone and being gentle rejecting a guy (my fav go to is “I have a b/f” ) and b/c I feel its uncalled for to be obnoxious about letting him down (unless he’s being a jerk)then YES had she rejected him in a rude manner, then I’d say she got her Karma. There are some women out there who know they have looks and know that most men can be and are intimidated by them. If they are mean to guys who approach them b/c they feel they can be and not suffer any consequences (b/c of the premium placed on their looks) then they deserve that nice dose of karma awaiting them down the road in the looks dept.

      You asked if I think men are physically held back from approaching the woman they desire? Nope. Its definitely mental. But I am also of the belief that most men no matter how shy they are, if they reeeeeally want a girl they will find the courage to pursue her even in the face of rejection. I am not a man so I cannot understand the power of rejection, but it seems to me that its already accepted that most men are already programmed and prepared for rejection at some point b/c that is how the mating game is set up.

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      • I understand the reluctancy of most men approaching a beautiful woman – therefore I don’t hold it against them. But if they just simply put down a woman b/c they didn’t have the balls to approach her and she did nothing (and didn’t even know he was interested) then that’s Not okay IMO to put her down.

        Despite the fact that the author is an arsehole (not based his original post but subsequent responses to me on the topic) I do see now what he was trying to say or get at by making the post (thanks to a mature anon who broke it down) – although he still sounds quite bitter about this woman.

        Last, my question to you (since I am not a man and can’t understand this) why on earth would you want to pursue or be with a girl who is sleeping with a different bad boy each week – despite her attractiveness? I know the whole idea of people wanting what everyone else wants is big these days, but being realistic is never a bad idea. If you know you don’t fit that profile of what she tends to date/screw, then why not just get that particular hottie out of your mind? The odds are you will be rejected if you do not look or act like the men she is typically seen with.

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  40. on July 8, 2011 at 10:30 pm betondo fuchatuch

    Neecy is just another in a long line of women who came ambling up to this blog, contributed her opinions, offered her “male from a female point of view” posers and pseudo-psychological analysis of the subject, pecked against individual male contributions, used the direct replies to her posts as her own mental- clitorical diddling, gratified herself in her cleverness to get an emotional rise out of her respondents, continued hanging around this blog where she believes that her freedom of choice and association gives her the God-given right to be here…

    …and when the men on this blog finally give her the wall of silence, she’ll do what all the women before her have done.

    She’ll vanish.

    So my concern is not with the Neecys – history shows what the moths do when the lights go out. My concern is with those of you who are leaving the light on by replying to her.

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    • EXACTLY Betondo. They can feel free anytime to stop replying to me. As i have already stated. My time here is limited. I need some form of entertainment since (1) I am home, sick with fever and (2) other forums I frequent have been pretty slow this week.

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    • And not only that, i can get a good workout out. How many calories do you think we’ll burn?

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      • If we really duel….hmm….7-800? At least we’d both win that way, even if one of us has to lose the match…..

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      • 700-800 calories? I was hoping more for 1200+ – think you can make that happen?

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      • As long as you exert the same kind of muscle cell-destroying effort that you get from free weight lifting, the following 72 hours of cell repair will easily send a 700-cal workout into the 2000-cal burn range. This is why aerobic workouts are crap for losing weight. If you want to burn fat with a blowtorch, lift weights. The 72 hours of repair time will burn calories far more than exercycling.

        No pain = no gain.

        Now get it on, you two, so I can watch! And I want to see plenty of hair puling.

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      • Well it depends on how big he his. I i am having to push and pull him on/off me then depending on his body weight I guess I could build some kind of muscle. Now if he thin.. well I believe men physically no matter their body weight are stronger than women, so I guess either way i’d get a work out.

        Hey let’s keep it fair – if he gets to hair pull, then i get to back scratch – you know, to keep things equal 😉

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      • Definitely ! 7-800 was just a guess…..but 1200 is certainly realistic……I’m sure we’d go all – out to defeat one another……

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  41. on July 9, 2011 at 12:04 am Mr.Banana'z

    “Years of having a new cock every night left her face haggard, old, and tired, even when she faked a smile.”

    ??? She would of looked like shit whether she took 100 cocks or not. Women like this who eat fast food, smoke, and drink age horribly, whether they taking dicks every night or not.

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  42. Do men suffer with their looks from too much sex/masturbation?

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    • Not so much suffer in the looks dept., but frequent masturbation and sex does decrese a man’s “load” if you feel me?

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      • Gotchya. The key then to age slowly is to take care of yourself mentally and physically then.

        Good mind (optimism and opportunity)
        Good body (gym, running)
        = sexy

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      • BINGO! oh and lots of melanin 😉

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      • Eat a paleo diet and light weights. NEVER run longer than a mile or two. Keep the sun exposure to 15 minutes or less during 10am-2pm times (best way to get vitamin D without getting burned).

        DO NOT EAT MORE THAN 50 GRAMS OF CARBS UNLESS YOU ARE VERY ACTIVE.

        This goes for everyone. Thank you.

        [Editor: Excellent advice. So simple, even a fat chick could understand it.]

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      • Kindly explain this “load” concept. And do please be explicit. The coffee’s wearing off and I’m getting dozy.

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      • Well Zorro. A girl can tell if a guy masturbates or has sex a lot or infrequently based on the amount and load of his ejaculation. if very little comes out, then he’s a hoe. If he shoooting milk jugs, then he is a guy who uses his top head more than his lower head.

        Make sense?

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      • Um…yeah. Just to be clinically comprehensive, if a guy bolts a quart of spunk, it can also mean he lets his gf poke him in the ass with a strap-on or otherwise uses a prostate massager for anal stimulation. They increase semen production up to 40%

        Not that I would ever engage in this nonsense. I have a horrid fear that, if touched by anything, my prostate will explode like a grenade.

        That and spiders. Exploding prostate and spiders both creep me out.

        Heights, too.

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      • A woman doesn’t need to go near a mans booty for him to have that kind of climax. Look between your legs. Pull up your shaft. Find that little line in the middle that starts at the base of the shaft and goes to the base of you cajonies. Yeah…

        But your theory could be true. but in most cases i don’t think so. I simply think the more the tool is used, the less the load. The less the tool is used, you get an overload. Not sure whay this happens. i’m sure there is a scientific explanation to this.

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      • In my experience, frequent masturbation decreases the load, and frequent sex increases the load, the latter for the reasons Sid describes below.

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      • Same goes for women and orgasms. A woman who masturbates frequently, I’m told will have a harder time orgasiming (lol is that a word) than a woman who doesn’t masturbate as frequently.

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      • Well normally this would fall under the waaaay too much information category (and perhaps still does lol), but as you brought up the subject Neecy I will pitch in my $.02 – I have sex a lot and masturbate a lot and yes, I am not what you would call a big shooter.

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      • I wonder why that happens? I guess its good for the girl if she wants to know if her guy is a hoe. LOL j/k Fred.

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      • Well I’m certainly not going to ‘fess up to being a hoe! Betrayed by my own body … damn shame …

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    • Wilt Chamberlain, who did 20,000 women, aged slowly. I saw him in person when we were both hanging on Venice Beach in the late 80s, when he was in his early 50s, and he looked like he could easily still run the floor.

      Around 10 years later, I was back in L.A., at Wilt’s funeral, where he lay dead, in a casket, at only 63.

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      • Wilt the Stilt. Guy stretched out alotta pussy.

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      • on July 12, 2011 at 3:48 am whorefinder

        Never bought it, and the number is jokingly too high. It’s funny, b/c none of his conquests ever filed paternity suits/ wrote tell-alls. Almost as if he made it up to cover for something….

        In other news, Steve Sailer has implied heavily that he thinks Wilt might have been gay…. or bi.

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    • I would think it’s the opposite in men, having more sex fulfills our natural primal priorities and gives us mental and physical satisfaction, leading to more pussy, better status, more power and indirectly better health. In my case after sex I feel more energized and ready to accomplish things while masturbation just saps morale, energy and lessens focus on my everyday life.

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  43. A cunt is a cunt is a cunt, and always a cunt she will be.

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  44. Neecy, I’m sure you would be smiling….you’d probably win, and post photos of your victory on Facebook to celebrate your feminine triumph…..

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    • WHy would I do that? I hate Facebook. I may share it with my grandma though – she’d get a real good kick out of it. I see you are already proclaiming me the champ. You shouldn’t give up so easily.

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      • Well to the Victress go the spoils, so I suppose you could share the photo with whomever you liked….and I was just being gentlemanly; I’m sure it’d be a close match……

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      • “photo”? I was thinking more like….video? No close match. Even if I were winning, I’d suddenly play the damsel in distress, dramatically fall backwards with my hand atop my forehead and let you overtake me. LOL That’s how its done 😉

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      • Hahaha! Video works….but I want a real match; my ego can handle losing….public duel, or private? I mean I know Zorro wants to watch and all, so we could make an exception for him, since he was good enough to give us exercise advice and all….or maybe not…..?

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      • Nooooooo! I don’t want you to lose. I like wrestling getting all worked up and then falling out like i need to be rescued! That’s the tittliating part about me wrestling with a guy. I want to be roughted up then rescued damnit!

        Now what r u going to be wearing. Should we match the colors of our war gear? Should I come dressed in camoflauge. Your pick…

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  45. We all have stories like this.

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  46. I have a question…

    Ignoring whores and barmaids and lawyer cunts. As men….Who are the women in your lives that you respect?

    What can a woman who is say above forty years old do/accomplish/act like that will make you think highly of her? (let’s say she’s married with kids)

    Are looks always the defacto measure of a woman?

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    • Think highly of, as in want to create a new romantic relationship with her?

      Or think highly of her, as in I want to have a business relationship with her?

      Or think highly of her in the abstract – as in, I really don’t give a fuck because it’s got nothing to do with me.

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    • I think I get it actually.

      A woman can lord over a man if she is virtuous.

      A man can lord over a woman if he is sexually desirable.

      And then if a woman has been virtuous before she is 40, she hopefully will no longer care about anyone’s opinion because her life will be so complete with a loving husband and children to care for. Thus earning the respect of men despite her withering looks because she is the ’standard bearer’ for the younger generation.

      So simply by the fact that the woman in the piece worked in the bar itself takes away some of her virtue and makes her the object of derision.

      For example, Julie Andrews was a riot on Late Night with Craig. She was coquettishly proper, and even mentioned her now deceased husband in loving terms (and an ex-husband who she complimented)..which made me admire her more.

      But then Kim Cattrall is starting to become a bit harpie-ish because she’s ‘aging’ and bitching about it.

      That may also be why I don’t like Betty White, because she now lacks the Julie Andrew’s virtue/properness.

      Ok I’m good now.

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      • And that’s why the Feminist movement was spearheaded by a certain type of female world renowned for her aggressiveness.

        I’ve taken this quote straight from the wikipedia article with amendments.

        “Literature came to focus upon the differences between those women and what the men saw as being the various idealized views of American women, the “blonde bombshell”, the “sex kitten”, or the sweet docile “apple-pie” blonde who always supported her man. In contrast, certain writers viewed the still articulate and intelligent woman as being, by comparison, pushy, unrefined, and unattractive.”

        So when they immigrated to America they did not fit in with this society. So instead of assimilating, they advocated for the woman to become like them. In order to boost their own sexual market value.

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      • Seen before, but the Xtranormal bears explain…

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    • She should be focused on raising her children and pleasing her husband, not running around trying to attract new men.

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    • I agree women should be focused on their husband and children. In a healthy society (unlike the degenerate west), women get married young, and by the time they are forty they have grandchildren. That gives them additional things to focus on: they can help raise their grandchildren.

      The proper concern of women is family. They should not be out in the world of men, trying to be men. The world of business and politics is for men. It is not the place for women.

      Each sex has its proper role. Men should not act like women, and women should not try to be men. The modern world ignores this. That is why it is so messed up.

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      • on July 9, 2011 at 9:51 am real dreamer

        I agree with that sentiment but in today’s world, a woman who wants to do all this is largely viewed as a freak. A young woman gets more approval for getting her second and third degrees and establishing career success rather than having an ltr, getting married and starting a family. But after starting out in the working world a year or two, I’ve realized it’s no place for a truly feminine woman.

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      • That’s the trouble with modern feminist society – it discourages women from being feminine, and men from being masculine. We are prevented from playing the roles we are biologically meant for. You realized this after a year or two, but many women do not realize it until too late, and are destined for spinsterhood. That’s why the western birth rate is below replacement level, and we are headed for extinction. Modern feminst society is not sustainable.

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  47. From a female point of view, I support this post. This harsh reality steers my choices every weekend when I decide to go home early on a Friday night to get up early and exercise on a Saturday.

    Sure, I’d like to party, and I LOVE to party. But I like the attention of men more, and its important for me to keep my BMI between 17-18. Everything in life is a trade-off, isn’t it?

    And don’t misunderstand my motivations. I am a bona-fide feminist and for me this means treating myself and my body with the utmost respect, at all times, like a well-oiled machine. But this discipline also means that I can land some quality men (who stick around) who also treat me with the respect I deserve.

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    • I agree with women taking care of themselves. But sometimes even the most well intentioned women go through shit sometimes that could possibly affect their looks later or temporarily – and its doesn’t have to be drinking, hard sex and hanging out.

      she *worked* in a bar. I’m not sure what everyone wants from her. She wasn’t hanging at the bar – she worked there. Its very common for young attractive women to take jobs like that. Then I’d guess we have a post complaining about not having any young hot beautiful women who worked in bars. Its like a no win for this chick. I’m not sure what this lady did so wrong for her to deserve this kind of mocking. Plus, how did the author know and how often she was sleeping with a guy?

      There are a lot of assumptions here. This post isn’t about a woman he knew well enough to judge like this. This post is about mocking the loss of beauty some women experience with aging or going through things in their lives.
      Maybe she looks bad now b/c she went through something – possibly had a bout with depression, abuse? Lost a close friend/relative? ANYTHING.

      You never know what someone goes through and should always be cautious as being judgmental

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  48. This thread is useless without pictures (preferably before & after). One of these girls?

    http://www.coyoteuglysaloon.com/uglypix/main.php?g2_itemId=10234

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  49. And when I say I think highly of her, that means I admire her behavior, not that I want to bang her. She is too old for me to want to bang.

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  50. Lil Wayne has a song that directly relates to this- it’s called Prom Queen.

    On the one hand, it’s poetic to see someone who’s scorned you get what they deserve, but on the other hand it’s more pitiable than anything. I do get a small sense of satisfaction when I see how the tables of turned, but much like Mike, I feel saddened to see how far a girl can fall from her former beauty and youthful looks.

    Reminds me of this:

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  51. @ the 50 year old guy ravaging prostitutes-

    If you want to bang cheap hookers and rimjob meth heads, my personal opinion is that if that’s what you want to do behind closed doors, that’s cool but bragging about it isn’t even close to being an alpha which is what this blog is about and yeah, when you go into explicit, unneccessary detail about it, you do cross the line deep into creepy territory. It’s not so much that you do it, but that it’s just a little TMI dude. And while it’s good that you’re getting your rocks off, being Alpha entails improving yourself physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually to the point that women flock to you based purely on the merits of your charisma and personality, and not your cash.

    P.S. A
    Your chick in that photo is not an 8 or 9 although she’s not a 3 either. Her body’s a 6, maybe a 7 and I give her face a 5. Maybe she looks better in person?

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    • Didn’t get any last nite, Ben? I went back and smoked out with her till I had her giggling, and banged her silliness til she came all over my balls and I busted on her tits, all for $120.

      Her body’s a 9; the only thing that could possibly be better is her ass – its tight, but not a bubble. I give her face at least a 7; I think its an 8, but granted, I probably give her an extra point or so for being so relatively young.

      A guy can be alpha without cash, but cash is substantial component of many an alpha.

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      • The stench of Beta is strong

        Any Beta can lay down some cash and get a hooker to pretend she likes him. It takes a real alpha to get a chick to like him for who he is and not his money. I maintain, SPENDING MONEY FOR SEX IS NOT ALPHA. Neither is jumping to defend some ho’s appearance (literally). Paying for sex is a strictly Beta behavior whether it’s buying flowers, paying for dinner/drinks, or just paying her directly to fuck you because it proves that if you take away the money, you’re not worth fucking.

        As for this statement- “A guy can be alpha without cash, but cash is substantial component of many an alpha.”

        I redirect you here:
        http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/12/09/the-look-of-confidence/

        and here:
        http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/be-a-skittles-man/

        Save your money or use it on something worthwhile. Get a chick who likes you for who you are, not what you have.

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      • Paying for sex is status neutral: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/paying-for-sex/

        My sexual resume speaks for itself. Here’s an example of my work: http://vod.adultemart.com/staticJsp/ShowBoxCovers.htm?f=http://pic.aebn.net/Stream/Movie/Boxcovers/a64834_xlf.jpg&b=http://pic2.aebn

        I’m the guy in the top left, and the five scenes on the bottom right. And the check written out to me cleared.

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      • Givin a crap is beta bro.

        If you need the ego validation, THATS BETA

        The prostitutes don’t like him for his money, thats like saying macdonald’s likes me for buying a big mac…..macdonald’s doesn’t give a shit, I don’t give a shit and we wouldn’t associate without some mutual benefit.

        Sure if you enjoy ego validation then at least be honest about it, but don’t make this about status, because theres a lot of very rich alphas out there hitting prostitutes who don’t give a rats ass how alpha it is.

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      • I noticed this conversation about whores over the weekend. What everyone, including Dirk, is forgetting is that most paid sexual activity is available from non-professionals, the girl next door, including virgins. If the rent is due, even religious girls will secretly do something like a hand job (or watching a guy do it to himself) and pretend it didn’t happen later. There are fewer diseases to worry about this way.

        Depending on the woman, she could slowly fall in love or feel very little.The man often won’t care. It’s her looks and lack of disease that counts for him most. He would have offered her cash in order to speed things up, because she was a lost cause otherwise or because he already knew she wasn’t relationship material. Most men don’t know how to talk total beginners into indulging in their whore fantasies for the first time. It obviously takes more social skill than dealing with a pro. The first time, expect her to only look at you, which serves to get past her ASD for the next time you get together. You end up with a higher class of woman this way.

        And it damned well better stay legal for a man to solicit from a normal woman. The feminists’ #1 priority is to criminalize men who ask normal women to do something for cash (think of a near future where young women tape record men with their cell phone devices and turning them into the police).

        Look at what’s happening with Berlosconi. He’s being persecuted by older woman because he gave a 17 year old female friend some gifts.

        Italy supposedly legalized prostitution but the feminists and socons put a clause in there that effectively raised the Italian age of consent from 14 to 18 by saying that men can’t give girlfriends under 18 any money or gifts (the older cunts call that prostitution). That effectively raised the AoC to 18 in Italy and Germany.

        The USA already has an extra-jurisdictional federal law called the Protect Act that says no American man can give money to a 17 year old anywhere in the world without becoming a felon in the process. I haven’t heard of this being enforced but it stands a stark warning to the PUA community that it’s not in any man’s interest to shame guys who are having some alternative fun on the margins and smugly say “I would never pay for sex” while looking the other way as the enemy makes it illegal for him to buy a 17 year old gf a birthday present.

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      • Jerry, I haven’t done much in the way of breaking in newbies that weren’t out looking already. I did once come very close to nailing a magazine salesgirl by ordering mags I didn’t want, but she was afraid I’d cancel and so I didn’t order the mags. Had her on the brink, though.

        I also used to get sex in exchange for giving an epileptic chick that couldn’t drive rides.

        And lately I’ve had two non-pros try to get me to buy them boobs in exchange for sex, but that’s way too much of an up-front investment for me (no pun intended).

        I am, on the other hand, very active in the sugarbaby arena, meeting them online.

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      • on July 10, 2011 at 4:23 am A hard reign held up by rage

        If I didnt read “21” I would have thought shes 30.

        Because I read “21” I now assume shes 35.

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      • she looks around 16 in person, and to the touch can’t possibly be more than around 25. For some reason she looks older in the pictures on the granite countertop – its the Jon-Benet Ramsey effect: too much makeup.

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      • It’s more like the Callista Flockhart Effect, any poon looks better – and gets better gigs – if she’s fucking Harrison Ford.

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  52. on July 9, 2011 at 6:02 am Chris from Dublin

    Excellent reader contribution – and it’s the excellence of reader contributions that makes this blog so special.

    I particularly like the definition of the essence of game: disdain for what one once would have drooled over.

    Yes, that is game and it doesn’t just apply to sex.

    Bullies can spot people without game. When I was a teen I got it a lot. I was on a train in Dublin last week and a drunk got on and sized up the carriage before banging up against a guy then loudly saying “sorry, sorry” too much to be true.

    The sober passenger was a 50 something beta/omega herb type. He was a picture of beta defeat. He spent the rest of this journey being tortured by this drunken arsehole who was hanging off him and telling him all the shit of his life. Fuck that.

    Anyway, grey man herb got off at my station with a few others.

    I said:- “you made a new friend there”.

    Laughter from other passengers.

    Mr. Zero:- “well, you see, as it happens, he bumped into me so he was telling me about his … ” etc etc etc beta white noise. Even recounting beta speech annoys me.

    Just to be clear: beta was justifying to me, a stranger, why another stranger, who was drunk, was entitled to ruin beta’s train ride. Neither did beta grasp the irony of my remark which is, in its own right, pure beta.

    Game: lose the need to justify others. Be your own first priority. Conquer your world.

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  53. Slamduck poetry style comment:

    Oh Zoe, you were my high-school sweetheart,
    I would have crawled a million miles over broken glass just to wank under your shadow,
    But you were fucking a 23 year old drug-dealer.
    Now you work in a bowling alley,
    Your fat hands spraying freshner into my leather shoes,
    And I don’t show interest when you mention your kids.

    Fin.

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  54. It is Friday night. Neecy wants companionship and attention. Mission accomplished.

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  55. Late to the party here, but two things: (1) commenter hasn’t moved past his resentment for the bar skank’s rejection, hence schnaedenfrude (sp?), and (2) bar skanks reading this blog posting (the few that are), won’t suddenly blame themselves for their situation.

    The next time you see someone like the bar skank, just shrug and move on. She made her choices, as did you. Case closed.

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  56. if you are a lady and haven’t begun anti-cellulite, wrinkle treatments, use moisturizer and spf religiously and botox by age 25, it is already too late unless you have a surgeon friend. Yes, by 22 the ravages of age are already apparent. If you were a 9.8 at 19, you are a 9.1 by 23, all other things being equal. Lose .3 a year without deliberate efforts.

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    • Do all men feel like this guy does? Oh, why do I ask this same thing again … I’m looking for someone to say NO, don’t worry, we don’t care about your age … only to feel even worse knowing he’s lying. What should I do if no guy will ever be able to fall in love with me because of my age? (except those who I could never have sex with)

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      • on July 10, 2011 at 6:03 am Emma the Emo

        I’m becoming increasingly convinced that this blog exists not only to help men get laid, but to also make women believe that they aren’t attractive enough. Or to help men adopt that attitude, so women become easier to sleep with. It’s either that or everyone here is terribly spoiled. Aren’t you only 26 (sorry if I’m confusing you with someone else)?

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      • Emma,

        yes, I’m 26, but I’ve never had a boyfriend and I’m a bit worried that it’s getting late … Maybe it’s just some kind of birthday effect, I don’t know. I became a little anxious, but my friends and family don’t understand me why, so I searched the internet to find some place where I can complain about that ;P
        I’m looking for a husband/LTR and not casual sex, so I don’t care what men who are looking for sex think about me.

        Unfortunately, late twenties is time when fertility starts to decrease so I think my anxiety is not as psychotic as everyone else – except here on this blog – is trying to convince me.

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      • Mya,

        Well you still have time. You are still in a peak point. But i am going to say, you need to get busy little Miss:) Don’t wait too long. Don’t compromise, but don’t waste most of peak youth not trying to find the one. As unrealistic as some of these guys can be here, they are right about some things. You are at a PERRFECT time to be searching for the one. There is a saying that goes “Time is a woman’s worse enemy” (not sure who said that) but its true.

        Usually the men in the mid to late 30’s range are preparing themselves for marriage. Most often its with women in their mid to late 20’s.
        I’m in my 30’s. But if I could do it all again, I would have put more effort EARLIER (in my mid 20’s) into finding the one. Instead, I chose career and put all my eggs in that basket. While I still can pull off mid to late 20’s, its still not the same. And with putting all my eggs in career, when things got stressful with my jobs, I gained weight which ALSO set me back. I tell my younger female cousins this all the time. DON’T wait and don’t put all your eggs in one basket like I did. Had I also been focusing on myself and finding a LTR I would have had another outlet to not allow my career to overtake and consume me mentally nad physically.

        I belong to plenty of blogs that focus on female enhancement, dating, attracting men etc. , and a common theme is telling young women in their prime to use it to their advantage. It really is true – unfortunately.

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      • Emma, most young women in the west aren’t attractive enough. They’re mannish, dirty, and hitting the wall under 25. It’s really sad.

        Worse, they are like crabs in a bucket socially pressuring one another to be ugly and do things to uglify themselves. The men here are just being honest about the fact that as basically hot as most western women may be, they’re still disgusting and nothing to cry over when one rejects you or you lose one of that sort.

        Most of these guys are not monsters. If they actually met a woman worth keeping, they’d probably keep her. Look around you though, and tell me how many women around you, if you were a man, would you really consider keeping?

        The west has become a whore culture that calls itself a feminist culture but isn’t as soon as something would require effort or personal responsibility from a woman.

        So don’t hate. Just bathe, shave, and learn how to cook and hear the word “no” without having a tantrum.

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      • LOL Nicole you really don’t mince words. i like that! (I have a lot to say about this so I’m going to break into 2 part post).

        I agree the west has become a whore culture where women think they are empowering themselves by saying how many men they can sleep with “just like a man can”. I also believe many women see empowerment as not having to look or feel feminine (I was guilty of this for a period) until I changed my friends. I don’t really care what an individual woman does with her va jay jay. BUT, when other women who don’t agree start being called prudes or seen as having issues I have a problem. I have a friend whom I love to death and (who will sleep with a stranger she meets ANYWHERE) and I had an argument one day about something I can’t remember. She then proceeded to tell me I am “uptight” b/c I don’t have casual sex (no matter where we go Vegas, a cruise, someone’s house, a bar) she will meet a guy and will sleep with him if it gets to that point. Then his friend is looking at me like a damn puppy dog as if I should be giving up the goods b/c she and his buddy are somewhere knocking boots. LOL I remember thinking (although I chose not to say it) if uptight means NOT taking some Asian guy home I met at the burger bar down the street from my house, whom I known for a whole of 30 minutes and sucking (yes a stranger) his you know what and having sex with him in my apt (could have been a damn murderer or anything) then I’ll be uptight! LOL I love my girl, but she is just a sample of what most women in America feels is okay to do. BUT she is always unhappy and emotionally stressed with these choices she makes. i am not sure how other women of other cultures would behave. I am guessing middle Eastern women would be the least to have a “whore” culture b/c of the religion and cultural norms?

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      • Welcome to feminist America: The milk is free here.

        I don’t know if it was Roissy or delusiondamage, but the fembots and the divorce industry created the pickup artists. It’s nice to see that there are at least a couple chicks who don’t throw it around like white balls in batting practice.

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      • Part 2

        And you are right, it’s a compleeete crabs in a barrel thought pattern here in the West. If you stray from it more towards the – “can’t we at least meet men halfway” side, you are a pathetic man made woman who needs male validation. *sigh* It seems to me American women as a whole have replaced the simple things to attract men with sex. Here’s what confuses me – This idea that There is *nothing* wrong with sleeping with a trillion men in a month, but if you dare put on some eyeshadow, lipgloss and a dress you are a man made conforming pathetic excuse for a woman who is buckling down to the pressures and expectations of men all in the name of trying to attract men . But if you want to sleep with a billion of them in a two week period (b/c men do it) “YOU GO GIRL, with your EMPOWERED SELF!” “ *HUH???* oh well such is life!

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      • A trillion men a month? You are such a tease.

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      • on July 14, 2011 at 10:05 am Emma the Emo

        I wasn’t hating. I was just observing that men here are often more judgemental of a woman’s looks than men I meet in real life. I agree with you that it’s important to be a woman worth keeping if you want to have LTR potential in guys’ eyes (bathe, shave, learn how to cook, etc.), but you can’t stop aging. People here make it sound like a woman over 40 is hopeless and won’t get a LTR, which they do get. I just can’t take seriously guys who say a woman’s looks rapidly decline between 20 and 25, as this is not what I see. But if this is the way things are where you live, then I’d understand.
        Most women I see around me seem alright, but I don’t know them well enough, so I don’t know if I’d keep them if I was a man. They don’t seem mannish or disgusting though (although some are). They certainly don’t seem to be all prematurely aged. Except meth addicts (who still seem to get boyfriends).
        I like that attitude though – that a man shouldn’t be upset over being rejected, since a lot of women are not worth keeping anyway.

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      • The men here are not more judgmental, just more honest.

        You don’t notice the difference between 17 and 20 or 20 and 25 because you’re a straight female.

        The only way some of them might be a little deceptive is in omitting that there may be acceptable tradeoffs. It might not be that they’re trying to be deceptive though. They just don’t want to encourage women to let themselves go.

        A man really suffers when he is bound to a woman by love who neglects and/or abuses herself. It’s like she doesn’t respect his manhood or care about his pleasure.

        Sometimes when they’re complaining about fat, it’s a kind of a catch all for all ways that women let themselves go once they’ve got someone.

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      • on July 14, 2011 at 12:36 pm Emma the Emo

        Nicole,
        I’m not straight, and I do see some difference between 20 and 25 (or so it seems because I’ve played that age-guessing game on Guess My Age), but it’s not a huge difference and that is why I say a woman is not doomed if she’s single in her late twenties. Probably men see those differences even more clearly. And even women who let themselves go still appear to get dates. Yeah a woman should take care of herself and look good for her man if she has one or if she wants to get one, but there is no need to despair over turning 25. So far I got an impression that many men here are more honest AND more deceptive (except in the opposite direction) than men I meet in real life. But they should just continue doing that, it seems to be working.

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      • My bad, Emma. I didn’t know you were Lesbian or Bi. Men do notice certain things more than women though.

        A woman should despair if she’s 25 and hasn’t gotten a long term partner yet because her fertility and natural fitness is about to take a plunge.

        Quiet as it’s kept in the medical community, 25 is also around the age that many women in the polluted, off feed, overmedicated west hit the thyroid wall. Then fertility can take an even deeper plunge, and if you get lied to about nutrition like I did, you’ll keep getting more tired and gain more weight until you go natty (primal or at least 300 year anachronistic).

        I got lucky, but a great many women don’t.

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      • on July 15, 2011 at 4:16 pm Emma the Emo

        Oh true. Sorry, I keep forgetting that women also often want children and Maya didn’t mention them. Yeah, in that case you better hurry up if you want kids and haven’t got a stable relationship by 25.

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  57. @narrator
    “Now 31, her face is permanently jowly from the screaming, nicotine, fatty food, and cocks. S”

    Maybe I am missing something. But at best, the mechanism that
    converts screaming, nicotine and cocks into a damaged face
    is unknown to me.

    Thor

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  58. on July 9, 2011 at 12:05 pm IvescckdjxfksjixkP

    Licked

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  59. Neecy — I think something sporty would be appropriate…….no camoflauge though — think one-piece swimsuit for you…..maybe black…..and OK, if you prefer to swoon just as you are about to win — well, as I said, to the victress go the spoils….

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    • Black one piece swimsuit???? BOOOORING! Would you reaally wanna tackle & have a hot wrestling match with a woman in a one piece Black swimsuit? Be honest! LOL

      I was thinking more of the booty short/boy short undies (just enough cheek hanging out). and a cut up fitted tee.

      For you – boxers, boxer breifs. i don’t care. But no shirt!

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      • your such a delighful chatterbox. you have that raven simone thing working to perfection

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      • Raven is looking good these days – lost tons of weight 😉

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      • Clearly, I’ll have to leave the attire for our bout to you……….!

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      • i guess necey probably has a surplus of girls volleyball/basketball/lacrosse gear in supply

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      • Nope. Let’s see. i have Bellydancing gear an exercise ball (small and big) small hand weights in pink, and a yoga mat. Think we can use those in the match somehow someway?

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      • nah, i’m already winning just fine now. besides, i dont date girl weighlifters. im more into dancer types

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      • Not you me and Mr. Anon. Look Fire I can only hand one wrestle match at a time. Oh and I’m not a weightlifter I just like wrestling around! LOL

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      • This is the real Anonymous…..and I’m sure we can figure out a way to use those things….though a mud pit is hard to beat……..

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      • ATTA BOY!

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      • Well too bad we can’t make it work out for real; it’d be a nice way to spend a slow Saturday night……

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  60. Neecy, you definitely holding your own here. I think they’ve warmed up to you. So freakin funny.

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    • Hey Liza! We need some more estrogen on these here boards!

      *come huddle with me I have a secret* (fellas close your eyes and plug your ears please)

      I’m going to break them down – one by one and MAKE THEM LOVE ME!!

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      • Neecy, you’re doing well so far and these guys are no picnic. They would have scared me off long ago. But you’re holding it down.

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      • Yeah Liza, these guys are hardcore. This boys club has waaaaaaay too much testosterone floating about. I also know there are just men who HATE women and will do and say anything to try to break a woman down. i knew what i was getting into by posting here AND by having my pic available opens you up for insults. *shrug* doesn’t bother me at all.

        If only two people converse with me on this board and I am having fun – then I’m happy!

        they’re just not used to estrogen on these boards. I think a lot of women come and go b/c some of them are flat out dickheads. The more that comes they’ll adjust. They are still men & we ladies have the female card when its all said and done.

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      • I just thought about something else. Maybe I’m just a glutton for punishment? Hmmmm. lol

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      • Yeah, I lurk here on the regular. LOL! Most of what they say here doesn’t faze me. It’s their space to say whatever they want. I also have to admit that I do get some musement when they bash slutty women (my bad). And I’m also tired of the climate of the other blogs and you know which ones I’m talking about, too. Those women really get on my nerves.

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      • Lots of goddamned complaining about testosterone,

        Feel lucky to still be around,

        any disent over at Christelyn´s blog and your outta there.

        So go fuck off with your estrogen.

        ¨I also know there are just men who HATE women and will do and say anything to try to break a woman down¨

        There are women going to extremes trying to manipulate men.

        A little bit of male suspicion is a good thing.

        ¨ I think a lot of women come and go b/c some of them are flat out dickheads.¨

        I called women, white women, cunts once on Chris´ board, it got censored

        So you are still getting the pussy pass here.

        But oh so hard are you looking for some…

        some…

        what?

        Some ´pink…dick´

        http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/why-you-should-do-online-dating-one-mo-gain/

        oh and liza are you, New York liza? My FAVORITE liza?

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      • OMG Is this My Liza from you know where? yeah its been pretty slow over on those boards as of late. I needed something fresh. And I have been sick all week in dire need of something to do online (hate television).

        The writers (and some of the respondents) on here crack me the heck up sometimes.

        I try not too take too much to heart what they say. If they start to piss me off I just look at this http://www.workman.com/is/pgrow/products/covers/9780761135937.jpgand feel soo much better!

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      • you all act like such a bunch of fuckin delicate flowers at lively language over at chris´ blog,

        just fuckin incredible that you ain´t thrown the fuck outta here

        goddamned hipocracy

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      • Amen.

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      • Neecy,

        You have very strong opinions, and you’re very proud of your self-appointed even-handedness.
        But

        Yeah Liza, these guys are hardcore. This boys club has waaaaaaay too much testosterone floating about.

        And it should be anything else? That’s exactly how it’s supposed to be.

        What are boys cubs supposed to be – Oprah bitchfests where we delicately examine our inner girls?

        You know, the velvet-gloved fist of Female Rules (as womyns imagine them to be) need not be hammered on every damned nail. You don’t let us into the Girls’ rooms: so if testosterone bothers the shit out of you, don’t let the door slam your ass on the way out.

        I also know there are just men who HATE women and will do and say anything to try to break a woman down.

        Yeah – so are you implying that’s what we do?

        Is it possible that some of us may have, ahem, stumbled onto a few realities that might demystify the female brain?

        I love women. I just have no illusions about them. I know the writers for CR feel the same way. Most of the commenters are the same.

        i knew what i was getting into by posting here AND by having my pic available opens you up for insults. *shrug* doesn’t bother me at all.

        If only two people converse with me on this board and I am having fun – then I’m happy!

        they’re just not used to estrogen on these boards.

        With all due respect, there are lots of bright female commenters. You’re just not one of them. Stick around for a while.

        I guess you’re just filled with sass.

        The guys who read RC are so inundated with estrogen it’s hard to see straight. We have to wipe our windshields clean of it to get by. I’m more familiar with estrogen than you are. I’ll bet the guys here have more insight into female nature than every single one of your friends and their sisters.

        I think a lot of women come and go b/c some of them are flat out dickheads. The more that comes they’ll adjust. They are still men & we ladies have the female card when its all said and done.

        Hah – the Female Card.

        What’s that?

        You’ll find that the Female Card of Special Privileges and Oh You Injured Me Poor Me Someone Defend Me won’t play to well here.

        You go play that on the sad sap suckers IRL.

        See how many manginas pop up to act as human shields while you plot your turds liberally all over the place.

        Stow the atittude, Girl.

        Your Female Card gets you SFA online.

        Damn,I have to put up with idiot chicks like you in real life. Damned if I’m going to do it here.

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      • Gorb,
        I feel so bad that you wrote all of that for nothing!

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      • Female Anonymous is channeling Betty White…

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      • Once we’re broken down, you won’t love us back.

        Theory fail.

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      • Nooo. I’m not that girl. i’m an alien. i like betas, I like nice guys, I like guys who don’t realize how cute they are, I’m turned off by players, My panties don’t get soaked by rude obnoxious guys, i think nerds are badasses… Basically I’m a strange breed of woman based on this blog. But one thing for sure? I’ll never stop loving you Zorro – unless you start being mean.

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      • I’ll start being mean when bunny rabbits eat wolves, and Democrats throw parades for our men and women in uniform.

        In the meantime, is there any chance you, Anonymous and I can scrape up a second female so we can tag-team in the mud bog?

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      • *Calling Liza* You down sister?

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      • Careful with female Anonymous, she may be a librarian.

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      • What did I say about manipulative women,

        You put it on the www that you wanna fuck these guys,

        Jason Mamoa (big ups to Candise we have great taste)

        Brad Pitt

        josh hartnett

        Alex Rodriguez

        Jesse Williams

        Paul Walker

        Leo DiCaprio

        Armie Hammer

        just to name a few

        http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/friday-funny-who-would-you-boink/

        Can´t lie to us about what soaks your panties

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      • Yes Anon,

        Josh was aaaaaaaahhhhhmmmmmazzzing back in the day. he fell off the wagon. i agree men who age and also don’t take care of themselves are a complete orgasmic kill.

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      • look neecy,

        that´s just alota shit your puttin´ out about the ambiance here,

        People have been pretty decent to you

        you just can´t come in here steam rolling or you´ll bring out the meanies like me

        certainly can´t get as honest a conversation over at chris´s place

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      • Sean Connery on the other hand…

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      • Bobby,

        These guys are just fantasies for those women and most of them (or none) are going to get the opportunity to fuck them. By the way, men have their fantasy women, too. So why can’t we?

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      • Bobby,

        Honestly, there have been some real jerks on here towards me. So i am talking about them. Just read and you’ll see. I did say there are some wonderful guys here and overall i am enjoying myself.

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      • I expect that´s why your here,

        Roissy has interesting and TRUE things to say.

        Chris has a little value, but Roissy really kicks ass

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      • What’s wrong with Sean Connory? I’d so hit that mature booty with a vengence!

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      • My point exactly, Neecy.

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      • “What’s wrong with Sean Connory? I’d so hit that mature booty with a vengence!”

        He’s really old, Neecy. I don’t think you’d want to go there.

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      • Mmmkay. *walking away with head down* You gotta admit, he was a stud in his hey day.

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      • NAWALT ALERT!

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  61. “oh and liza are you, New York liza? My FAVORITE liza?”

    Yes, Bobby, I’m that Liza.

    And yes, Neecy, I’m also that Liza.

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  62. Neecy, Motherjones. LOL!

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    • We need her right about…NOW. LOL

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      • ARE YOU SERIOUS? What happened – she usually never moderates.

        Are you sure you didn’t change your email addy? Sometimes if I type in a different or new email address, It will say my post is being moderated. Then i’ll retype the main one I always use and it posts right away.

        Yeah i haven’t been online for a long time I just started back.

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      • Yeah that could have been it. But it was time to move on anyway. I’m a little tired of talking about irrs at this point.

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      • I hear you. After awhile there isn’t much left to say. Sorry I haven’t been in contact. But I have been going through a lot since April. A LOT. I just kinda withdrew from a lot of people and things. But things are getting better slowly but surely…

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      • I’m sorry to hear that you’re going through a lot at the moment. Whenever, things get back to normal, please contact me. And take care of yourself.

        You do have a way of contacting me, right?

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      • still hatin on republicans liza?

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      • Bobby,

        Hating on Republicans?

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      • are you going to make me have to look for the thread??? shit now, i´ve got better things to do, but something, something about being a progressive, some other shit and something about not ever voting for a republican,

        maybe i will go look at the thread, but i know you are a part of the 96 percent mafia

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      • you bw have created monsters in so many ways, just gonna have to suffer for a while

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      • Liza,
        I tried calling you once in may, and i got a weird message like I was calling a business or something. And then I had erased all my inbox emails so I couldn’t find you by email. Can you Email me your contact info?

        BOBBY,
        In the corner RIGHT NOW. Behave yourself!

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      • Neecy, I will email you at the hotmail address. I’m sorry about the phone number. I didn’t know.

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      • Cool! I’ll email you later – send me your new number too. I’m signing off now. Time to get some fresh air since I have been cook’d up in this apt for the last few days.

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  63. Ah, so that’s you. 🙂

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  64. ARRRRGH! I’m getting dizzy with all the anonymouses. I don’t know who I’m talking to anymore!!!

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  65. lock yours on this sphincter O

    taste my dark but not choclaty gooy sludge

    you love it

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  66. That and get messy with your ass and some K-Y… your boyfriend will have to top that later.

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  67. *OH MY VIRGIN EARS!!!!*

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  68. Play nice female Anonymous, I understand this might be you…

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  69. neecy–

    You have to realize that many guys grew up learning that the only way to win a woman’s heart is to be a “nice guy,” be courteous, kind, a white-knight, a gentleman, do nice things for her, protect her, provide for her, etc. This kind of advice seems to be saturated into modern society.

    Part of this comes from the fact that men have started listening to women since the S.R. and the feminist movement. Men are violent, aggressive, and competitive by nature. When women say they want a “nice guy,” men go to the extreme end of things because they are competitive and think,”Gee, if doing a little gets me this much, then doing a lot must help me get even more!” Hence, the feminization of the modern western man to the extreme.

    Then, guys grow up realizing the hot, beautiful women are doing the jerks and bad boys. Perhaps not ALL women may do this, but enough women do this to the point where a jaded nice guy who took all the advice to heart eventually stumbles upon a blog (like roissy), becomes enlightened, and becomes a player.

    Women want a man that they can look up to, not boss around.

    If a woman orders a man around, is he still a man? No, he’s a husband.

    The joke aside, no one can argue that there has indeed been an emasculation of the western man since WWII.

    When women say they are strong, independent, and confident, they are PROJECTING their troubles onto themselves. What women find attractive in a man isn’t necessarily attracive to a man. And then when men say that they prefer a petite, delicate, “girly-girl,” feminine woman instead of the modern masculine western woman, they are labeled as sexists. Let me ask you: If I put on a dress and makeup, crossed my legs the way women do, and started acting feminine the way gay men act, do you think that would help or hurt my chances with the ladies?

    Why not? I’m just PROJECTING what I like in a woman to myself, and if you don’t like that how about if I call YOU a sexist?

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    • There are (2) Parts to my response

      Look Serp, As I said, I am not a feminist. You may not understand my point of view on this b/c its coming from a Black woman which does change things. I can’t really speak on other races of women b/c each race/culture of women has different experiences in the world. The things I appreciate about feminism are moreso in the arena of women being able to get jobs and have independence. Without it, all the “ugly undesirable and OLD” women over the age of 20, you guys hate so much would be up shits stream without a paddle. And I see why more today it’s a good thing for a woman to be able to have independence b/c they way you all go on about how women are “useless” after 12 yrs of age (I’m exaggerating here but you get my point), it would mean a lot of women would be left out in the cold and screwed. Also b/c men are very visual and affected by societies perceptions of “ideal beauty” , a lot of women may not fit the attractiveness profile MOST men desire due to cultural or racial ideals – what would happen to those women (who don’t fit the attractiveness profile of most men) if they couldn’t have independence to at least take care of themselves since most men wouldn’t pursue them?

      Maybe I am simply speaking from a Black woman’s POV b/c I see many BW with these masculine traits. Black women as a group have been indoctrinated and brainwashed by many to adopt and be proud of having masculine traits. WHY? B/C honestly no one seeks to protect Black women (not even Black men) and – not even the White feminists who want to use Black women for their causes but not return the favor. I can’t speak for White women or why they do what they do. Many Black women have no choice but to focus on career and education b/c if we didn’t we’d be screwed. WHY? b/c (1) we are often not seen as the “standards” of beauty that most men may seek, so we would be left behind when it came to finding powerful men to marry and protect us. What choice does the average Black woman have BUT to find her independance, get educated and pray she’ll find a guy who appreciates her and her beauty? That way if she doesn’t at least she can provide and take care of herself and enjoy life in other ways. Its not always about women trying to take the place of men. Some women have NO CHOICE and that is where feminism works.

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      • Well, all I can say to that is “I really, REALLY want to nail Vanessa Williams, and I mean FROM BEHIND and spank her until her high heels fall off!”

        There. I said it and I’m damned proud of that.

        Oh, and Neecy, we “get it” that you’re not a fembot. But the rest of the fem population seems to be, and 50 years of THE FEMALE BORG has done nothing but harm to the sexual marketplace and men’s ability to be what women honestly want.

        Fuck you, fembots! Fuck you in a tight little bucket with a rabid squirrel running around inside.

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      • Oh Zorry Zorry. Sweetheart I know you meant well but Vanessa Williams has strong European features (blue eyes, light hair and fair skin). So its not a stretch for you to say you find her as a “Black” woman attractive – LOL.

        Oh and tell us how you *reaaaly* feel about fembots why dontcha!

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      • “Meant well?” Like what my evil plans for Vanessa are somehow fall into the purview of “meant well?”

        I wanna get dirty with that girl. When I mean well, I send flowers to my fuckin’ grandmother.

        And if ‘Nessa ain’t cocoa to your satisf, I will happily share my genes w/Jennifer Hudson (even with extra tooty in her booty).

        Gotta love a sistah with a little extra meat in her seat. I’ve noticed they don’t tend to scream so loud.

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      • Well I took your response as saying you found Miss Williams attractive. Yes I would so do Jenn Hudson myself – get in line buddy. She looks amazing now.

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      • Would you wear a chocolate-colored strapon? Would you let me video-tape the festivities? Would you be interested in 15% of the net?

        Booty and money: My two reasons for living.

        Three reasons: Booty, Money and LAM etch tools.

        There is no fourth thing!

        Bring out the comfy chair!

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      • “12 years of age”… try about 17.

        http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/collections/gallery/3455/emma-watsons-red-carpet-looks

        When Emma Watson was 17, I would have considered cutting off my left nut to sleep with her. At 14 she is too young, but note the lovely affect, charming appearance by 17. Any man would kill for that.

        By 21 is is ugly, bad haircut and doesn’t smile. I saw her in NYC in a restaurant last week (in town for the opening). She looks dreadful, ugly accent, bitchy demeanor, dykish, large protuding chin, thick short legs. Her appeal peaked at at 17 with a 4 year half life. It isn’t the looks that she lost, it is the whole charming youthful feminine demeanor… destroyed by wasted nights, entitlement, feminist views and dead end relationships. Notice the dreadful makeup and outfits she now wears. likely lesbian? Radioactive to hetero men. Epic collapse.

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      • Damn tell us how you really feel about Emma now! LOL Well she does not look as fresh faced with the short hair and it does make her look more harsh in the face. The youthfulness /fresh faced points I saw was when she had a little more fullness to her cheeks and more hair countering her face. The photos of her with the shorter hair she does look harsher and older b/c her face looks skinnier, hair shorter and that fullness of her cheeks has disappeared which ages her.
        But all women peak at different times. i know some girls who look amazing in their teens but no so in their later years. Other girls peak in their later years than early years. It just depends.
        Examples of celebrity women I found most attractive in their peak years would be Catherine Zeta Jones, Pam Anderson & Carmen Electra– who were absolutely gorgeous in their early 20 years. But when I look at pics of them in their teens they were not as pretty as they were in their 20’s – at least IMO. Carmen still looks decent but each year it got worse with Pam & Catherine. its tragic.
        ALTHOUGH, I did join a dating site and I went through the profiles of the women who would be my competition (30’s). I also wanted to look at the 20 something’s as well just to compare and contrast. And I will say that (MOST) of the women I saw in their 30’s are holding up pretty well on average in terms of weight, skin, hair and attractiveness. This includes the men. I get contacted by a lot of men in their mid to late 30’s and 40’s and I must say I am not disappointed overall. Some of them look outright carazeeee but MOST look pretty well kept. I think men and women in general are holding up better these days in their 30’s and 40’s.
        I’m not a man so I guess it doesn’t matter since I don’t sleep with or date women. But Overall I believe that most women (no matter the race) do have a peak time and its usually in their 20’s.

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      • Regrettably, women usually peak psychologically and physically in terms of appeal to men in their teens. Emma Watson was simply homely. I would never sleep with her.. masterbation is preferable. There was no way around it. The cuteness was gone and it is evident in the pictures. She simply looks awful. There is no better illustration of how female beauty and charm collapse than Emma Watson.

        I need to clarify that it not simply the thick thighs and manly appearance, it is the complete collapse of feminine charms. Her makeup is disgusting, etc.

        There are SOME girls who peak in their 20’s. They were usually fat or poorly dressed/makeup in their teen years. From a psychological standpoint, they have an alpha BF who both keeps them happy and isolated from the psychological devastation that comes with being a single woman. women are designed to get pregnant by age 11. A 21 yo barren woman without an husband or child is an evolutionary failure.. already depressed. By 30 she is a shell who requires medication to make it through day-to-day activities.

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    • I agree with your assessment that feminism has ruined male/female relationship dichotomies by telling women to act like men and making women feel like being feminine and virtuous is a bad ideal etc. What often bothers me is that “girly” or feminine women are made fun of and mocked these days while masculine acting women are celebrated. I don’t agree with that either b/c I feel that is what makes a woman a woman is being allowed to enjoy and embrace her femininity not just for herself but to also attract her yin or yang – the male.

      I don’t believe its a problem for a woman to be strong, confident or independent at all. The problem occurs is a lot of women don’t know how to balance that out with also recognizing that those are not always the traits that men are attracted to in women. They go into relationships shouting from the mountain tops those things and it’s a turn off. A woman doesn’t need to say those things. She can be those things and still allow men to feel like they’re needed. b/C of male nature (and the patriarchal society we live in) its important for men to feel needed and wanted by women. And I feel women should recognize that men are important to us as women are important to men. In relationships, I believe if women made the right choices in mates, ones who were trustworthy and credible, we’d have no issues being submissive and allowing the man to lead. But lets face it not all men have the best intentions and some seek to only look out for themselves. Which also causes women to put up a defense.

      Its like no gender wants to do its part to make things better. There is a huge divide between men and women today. While a great deal of it may be feminism, men too contribute to this by telling women they are useless after their teen years or early 20’s. How does that contribute to healthy relationship with women if women are made to feel worthless after age 25?

      I’m not taking sides here – both genders have some work to do.

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  70. neecy–

    This blog is for men who are seeking the truth.

    One of the reasons that the feminist movement started was because women resented the so-called sexual double standard that society placed on women and not men. They screamed, yelled, and beat their heads against the wall until blood came out of their ears until they got “equality” and got rid of the double standard.

    Here’s the bombshell: There was no double standard; there were TWO standards–one for men and one for women. A woman’s virginity and faithfulness, in exchange for a man’s time, commitment, and resources, was the tradeoff both partners made when the married. Marriage is a contract that exchanges these goods.

    Here’s how ridiculous it would sound oppositely: “Me, as a young 18-year-old man, will give you my virginity and faithfulness. You as the wife will have to protect me, take care of me, and provide for me. Deal?” I don’t think so. The standard for women is done away with, but men are still expected to make money and provide.

    Why are men still expected to be the bread-winners and be the providers? I call that a true double standard.

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    • Serp,

      i am not a feminist – at least when it comes ot male/female relationship dichtomies. You are kind of preaching to the choir here….

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      • yeh but how many guys have you banged tho?

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      • It’s real nice and dancy when a woman SAYS shes not a feminist…..

        What we actually need to hear are details of your job, relationship status and sexual history.

        then WE can decide whos the feminist

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      • How does a job, relationship status and sexual history determine who is a feminist? Not sure the coorelation. Are you saying the only women who are not feminists are the ones who are jobless, virgins and in a relationship? Help a sistah out here.

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      • A job can reveal a lot (fashion model versus HR administrator with special duties re sensitivity training and sexual harassment investigations).

        Sexual history: guys or other chicks? Big difference.

        relationship status: taking the love pole with tears in your eyes, versus telling yourself, over and over and over, that Fluffy the Persian Cat loves you for your personality and not the occasional smell of tuna fish.

        Just trying to help out a sistah here.

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      • Got it! Ok so what does an outside sales representative (i.e. pharmaceutical, medical, dental sales) say about a woman?

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      • Very aggressive, a go-getter, most likely an extravert who, when she sees a brass ring, leaps for it regardless of the competition. A Hi-T-girl.

        You.

        I’m guessing dental, due to your pearly whites, or pharma, because of the huge comi$$ions.

        I don’t buy into your love of Betas, however. You made several comments that tipped me off to your bogus admiration of beta males. You are pining for an alpha to take you to the woodshed.

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      • Zorro you know me all too well!

        Regarding the beta desires. Hell, I don’t know the terms and defintions all too well. I just know I don’t like aggressive/cocky men and it seems that is who I attract. So over it. I like the nice guys but they don’t like me lol. Just want a nice laid back guy. But they don’t seem to approach me. They look, stare, talk about the weather, everything else but asking for the digits. Maybe they sense I am a High T girl and run? But wouldn’t that be a good balance? A laid back partner and a High T partner? I try to even tone done my hyperness and try to be reserved when around a laid back guy to not freak him out. LOL

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      • I’m heading for the rack for now. I’ll connect w/you later when I wake up.

        You need a good spanking and a railing from behind.

        Ciao for now.

        Naughty girl!

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      • High-T is high-testosterone.

        SMV is Sexual Marketplace Value (a person’s general value among those attempting to mate). Principally, for women her SMV correlates to her youth, beauty and perceived fertility. For men it is many, many, many other things which relate to social status, skillsets, competency, wealth, and lots of other stuff.

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      • Thanks Z – greatly appreciated. If I’m going to stick around, i may as well learn the terms and acronyms 🙂

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      • You have much to learn, Grasshopper.

        Lesson #1 is to not let anyone wind you up. Winding you up is not only a PUA skillset, but, in your case, a shitload of fun.

        Don’t respond to every taunt and tease. It makes you look like an easy target.

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      • Point taken! I’ll evetually get it. At first I get all excited at new things and places, then eventually i taper down. I’m like a kid in that way.

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  71. how come when I always read these comments some jackass embeds a Toby Keith Video?

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  72. This is a fat chick free zone.

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    • Exactly! Now the door is that way ——————————->

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      • This will help you.

        http://www.pualingo.com/pua-terminology-list/

        It has an annoying main page pop-up (that is easily removed), and the definitions are quite good.

        And if you really want to know what’s going on here and on other PUA forums by reading only one book, it is called “The Mystery Method” by Mystery.

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      • Aww thank you Z!

        I however did a quick look and didn’t see some abbreviations on there that I see here.

        I believe I have seen (High T) (SMV) (SWL or SML) something to that effect. Can you help with those? LOL

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      • High-T usually means “high testosterone.”

        SMV means Sexual Marketplace Value.” A person’s Value in the Sexual Marketplace depends on variables that usually differ between men and women. A woman’s SMV is overwhelmingly correlated to her physical beauty, youth and ability to bear children successfully. A man’s SMV has very little to do with physical handsomeness, and more with social status, health, wealth, and his ability to convey future prospect. Evolutionary psychologists hypothesize that because the male’s principle role in recreation is as a gene filter, the female of the species is most drawn to males that appear to have filtered out bad genes from the pool (men who are successful vs men who struggle or are perceived as losers…this is why males in all society compete and outperform females: if they do not ascend in the dominance hierarchy, the females will not willingly mate with them. All men pursue status and success, ultimately, to get laid.).

        Hope that helps you.

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      • Reply link fail. See above.

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  73. What is the take home lesson?

    For men: They all get old and ugly, and the harder they play the faster they age. Your day in the sun, if you play your cards right, will be longer, although you will be required to make more of an effort than a woman. Get into the action. Accept rejection as part of the game. Derek Jeter just hit 3000, but the majority of his at bats, like any player, result in no gain except the experience. Relax. Enjoy them. After a while, you know, you won’t want to waste too much time on them.

    For women: Your day is short, but, you knew that. A women told me after a few drinks last week she was bummed out because she had a birthday and now felt like an old fogy. She just turned 22. I feel sorry for these women. They were told they could have it all, and many will wind up having very little.

    But, great story about the bartender, and it should stiffen the resolve of some young men to strike while the girl is still hot.

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  74. Often I find myself utterly bewildered by the lengths to which girls will to to avoid facing or accepting reality. They produce theories, unfounded arguments, and nonsensical chains of supposed logic, and when all that fails, the fallback is simply ‘how i feel’. Most men innately seek out and understand reality as it is, and pursue their goals based on that understanding. “Nature to be commanded, must first be obeyed,” said Sir Francis Bacon. To all the girls recently commenting on this blog: quit your fat acceptance movements and blaming social architecture for imposing anything on you. Either live as you wish without complaining, or understand and conform to the nature of reality.

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    • Well put. I suspect you are speaking of that dreaded female rationalization hamster. Rational people (ahem…men) seek evidence before drawing conclusions. Irrational beings (chicks) fall in love with a premise and then go through gymnastics in an attempt to cherry pick facts to support self-serving beliefs. Hence, no matter what ails the human female, (1) it is NOT her own damned fault, and (2) clearly, it must be a man’s fault.

      How could it be anything else?

      Run, you hamster!

      Squeak! Squak!
      Spin…spin…spin!!

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      • no matter what ails the human female, (1) it is NOT her own damned fault, and (2) clearly, it must be a man’s fault.

        While this sometimes gives rise to fury, disgust, and disinterest, overall my emotional trend is to simply look to what a girl does, not what she says. If she has a four hundred pound hampster in her head, but is still cooking and cleaning and looking and fucking great, and she is loyal and cheerful, she gets a pass. If she is a bad overall influence on my life, then she gets the boot.

        I’ve never killed a hampster yet. Zombie hampters.

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      • ^xsplat

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      • Ladies, I’ve said it before, your Rationalization Hamster is actually trying to do you in… here’s the little bastard… er, beggar in his own words:

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  75. on July 9, 2011 at 9:12 pm incubus tickler

    I had lunch today with my second cousin and her girlfriend. These two gay ladies were 47 and 50, and easily could pass for 35.
    They are fit, successful, and attractive women who’ve adopted a child with Downs syndrome. They have a beautiful home, nice cars, and they work their asses off.
    My point here is that they didn’t spend a ton of time in bars, and they didn’t (obviously) need some lunkheaded alpha scum like me for validation in their life.
    Maybe because lesbians are a bit like men, they can carve out a great life than like some men can, as fathers or businessmen or soldiers or first responders? (Many bad assed cops are lesbians, in my experience.)
    Straight chicks? They need men desperately. I fill the bill for some, for a time, but im not the best choice, long term.
    I worry sometimes about how I’ve likely ruined a few lives by not morphing into the sucker who pays their bills and cleans up their dumb assed messes and drama.
    Oh, whom I kidding. Fuck em. I don’t worry about that shit at all.

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  76. Not since a certain single Mom, also a stripper, frequented here has there been such … overwhelming evidence of Beta Male Hate from a female commenter. Thank you Neecy for showing that when it comes down to it, despite all disclaimers, women HATE HATE HATE Beta males.

    I find the story hilarious. Like Ozymandias. “Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair.” A pair of trunkless legs in the desolate waste. Here you had a woman who had the undivided attention of every single man in her vicinity, brought low in ten years. To being practically invisible to them. Women, even average women, have undeniable sexual and thus social power in their peak, 17-27. But after it, they have little.

    The story is just hilarious. Every beautiful young woman thinks she’ll be beautiful and young forever. And she won’t. That is exactly why it is hilarious.

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    • Mmm, I bet you’re facebook hot. Tell me, is your profile picture taken from an artsy angle?

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    • To the darlings who don’t get it, with every passing year, every woman becomes more and more beta. Some hasten the process along, of course.

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      • whiskey,

        it’s not hilarious. It’s the way it is. You say it’s hilarious because you probably consider yourself Beta and you are jealous that those girls have higher sexual power than you have? Stop thinking that you are Beta. Look, women are looking for the most powerful man just as men are looking for perfect (17 year old beauty?) woman, but this is just a fantasy. We, girls, just want to find a decent man, who has some self confidence, is smart and active. Unfortunately, nowadays, more and more man behave like losers (even when they are not!) and that’s what we don’t like. We don’t like fat guys either, so if this is you on the photograph, consider getting in shape. And remove hair from your face.

        Btw., I think sexual power is not necessary connected with social power. Older women with no sexual power who are not demented can have social power if they are smart enough to do something useful for society.

        Glengarry,

        thanks for reminding me about that. I almost forgot!

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      • That’s what you think you want. Please see the following book to find out why women cheat on betas:

        http://womensinfidelity.com/

        Women haven’t a clue what they want. If they did, women would not be pushing men for marriage…and then filing 75% of the divorce actions.

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      • Okay I agree then. The perfect world: alphas (no more 10% of all men) having a party with pretty teenage girls (60% of the girls if they worked really hard). If any woman said ‘no’ to a guy, she should report this ‘sexual harassment’ to the government and for this disgusting offense of molesting a beautiful woman he should be castrated immediately (or maybe, we’d give this silly beta one other chance). Men would have sex only with the prettiest girls. Sex with ugly girls would be punishable, too (because it could produce a horrible thing – an ugly daughter!) or the government (alpha men) would select which girl is too ugly/stupid for reproduction and put her on medications to decrease her libido to zero before she celebrated her 21st birthday – we want to get rid of cougars as well, right?

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      • As others have said, what you claim women want isn’t who they date during their prime years.

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    • Whiskey,
      How many times must i say this – I LOVE BETAS!!! I don’t see anything wrong with them. i may be the only girl in the world who believes this, nonetheless i do. They are great catches and should not ever feel ashamed about being Beta. I’M SERIOUS!

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      • Please describe your concept of a Beta. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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      • Well The way I personally define a beta is: LOYAL, ENDEARING, FAITHFUL, SMART, SECURE, SOLID, UNWAVERING, SUCCESSFUL, SHY, LAID BACK, RESERVED, PATIENT, COMPASSIONATE, CARING, ETHICAL, LOVES WOMEN (in a good way)
        Also the only other differences I see between a Beta and Alpha male is how they approach women and relationships. While Alphas are a bit more straightforward “go getter” types, Betas may sit back quietly and observe or overanalyze things before they pursue – this includes women. I don’t see that as a bad thing, unless you are a woman who wants one of them and they are moving too slowly. This can be frustrating if you are a woman that doesn’t believe in making the first move with a man. I tend to attract more aggressive Alpha types than Betas. I find myself in more relationships with Alpha types than I desire b/c the Beta guys won’t approach me – they may look, stare but not make a move, That’s frustrating. So although I prefer beta guys they don’t pursue me. At the same time I find it endearing or a turn on when a man is not cocky and somewhat unaware of his hotness. They also tend to more faithful in relationships and make better Long Term partners.
        I find betas are just as successful and can also be just as attractive as Alphas. To me if a man obtains a high status job or has a good challenging career, then he *is* aggressive. There are plenty of Betas (i call them nerds) who are extremely successful and aggressive in their careers. But maybe not so much when it comes to women.
        When i look at my dad I see a high beta who with a few small tweaks could easily be Alpha. He is tall, attractive, desirable to all sorts of women, successful, BUT very reserved, laid back and doesn’t chase women. he has never had a desire to have a slew of women. He is also very faithful and loyal to the women in his life.

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      • I forgot to add that I BELIEVE beta guys have a lot more integrity than Alpha guys.

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      • Please get hold of a copy of “The Evolution of Desire” by Dr. David M. Buss, “Why Women Have Sex” by Dr. Buss and Cindy Meston, Ph.D., and “Sperm Wars” by Robin Baker.

        Guys who are into Game are serious. We read all the evolutionary psychology textsbooks…and then laugh how we get laid more than the Ph.D.s who spend hundreds of thousands of NIH grant $$$ to validate what we learn in a weekend poon-hunting at the local watering hole.

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      • Hmmm. I don’t think i wanna read it – lol. But what I am curious about is – does the whole Alpha, beta, Omega status change culturally or racially? I find that most Black men are aggressive (not in a good way) no matter what their Alpha, Beta, omega status is? Some Black men with no job, no teeth will ty to “holla” at a woman they find attractive lol. And even will get mad if you don’t have any interest in them – despite being a homeless bum. So maybe I am looking at things from a different cultural perspective?

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      • I’m not Jane Goodall, so my opinion is hardly official (and many on this web site I am sure have additional and valuable insights). Let’s look at what you wrote for Beta males:
        LOYAL, ENDEARING, FAITHFUL, SMART, SECURE, SOLID, UNWAVERING…all perfect characteristics found in the German Shepard.

        SUCCESSFUL: Don’t you fuckin’ wish.
        SHY: Possibly. Introverted is also likely.
        LAID BACK: You can define this a number of ways. If you mean aloof, that’s alpha. If you mean uninterested in seeking out self-defining challenges, that could be alpha or beta.
        RESERVED: And this is different from laid back just how?
        PATIENT: Sorry. This is principally alpha territory.
        COMPASSIONATE, CARING, ETHICAL: Collies and Labrador Retrievers.
        LOVES WOMEN:…which includes lesbians, great white sharks, and most serial killers.

        Girl, you are projecting your Barbie Playhouse Dream Ken Doll onto your notion of what a Beta is.

        A beta male is a male who didn’t make the cut. He is the nice guy (as in George Castanza: needy, clingy, approval-seeking and desperate) who qualifies himself. He always tries to convince her that he’s really a good person. On seeing a hot babe, he immediately shrinks two inches. He thinks telling a hot chick that she’s gorgeous is a compliment. It is, and it means he’s admitting that he’s lower in the SMP than she is. He’s never heard of hypergamy. And he’s not going to hear her panties hit the floor with his pathetic, “Let me earn your love!” attitude.

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      • Interesting. Jane Goddall? So then what type of guy am i describing? is it possible that people have different views on what Alphas & Betas and Omegas are? is there a *set* definition for each or is up left up to one to determine?

        I would say the guy you’re describing would be Omega? It seems like Betas on this forum are seen as losers – is this correct?

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      • Betas are losers? YUP!

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      • Alrighty then. I guess I’ll just stick to accepting what I like and not worry about the definitions. But for CR purposes, I now know betas are seen as losers. GOT IT!

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  77. @ DirkJohanson and his fine orgasmic professional fuck:

    Paying for sex on the whole is neutral, but if the cash is causing attraction, then according to the working definition of alpha on this blog, the cash is then an alpha trait.

    If the cash is causing revulsion, such as when the suitor buys a lavish dinner too soon, then it’s beta.

    Some professionals are attracted to their pay-dates, and enjoy the sex. No man points lost, and making a girl come always gives man points.

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  78. Whenever there is a thread on this blog that goes on for 200+ comments, there’s almost always a troll like Neecy involved. And for some reason, it’s almost always a land whale.

    I’m just glad we haven’t seen Nicole here in awhile. Perhaps someone harpooned her for the good of humanity.

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    • on July 10, 2011 at 2:50 am Neil Hansen

      lmao

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    • Greenlander,

      I’m giving you 21 days to prepare yourself for the stick whipping I’m gonna have to use on you when i re-appear. RAWR!!!!

      Think reeeeeaaaaallly hard about what i am saying here 😉

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    • Oh I forgot, I think you may have your species a little confused. I think instead of “land whale” you meant “sex kitten” or possibly “mermaid”? its okay either one works. I just went ahead and edited that for you.

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      • You’re a “sex kitten?” I was kind of hoping for an epileptic panther who loves anal.

        Boy is my face red!

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      • you know, this is the second time i seen a reference to an epileptic chick. Are they the new hot babes men are going after these days? lol

        Ok. So i may not be a kitten (too shy) but I am also not a panther (too aggressive), so what would come between the two? and do you think a panther is going to sit still enough to even let you near their anus? HECK NO!

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      • Sit still?
        Why do you think epilepsy is sooooo sexy?
        Think of a butt rodeo, with you all thrashin’ and a-buckin’ and a-reelin’ and me BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN!

        Sorry. Steven Tyler is so cool.

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    • Who invited the fat chicks to the party?

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    • I’m around. I just post less frequently (like only when a topic seems like it needs some old lady input) because of giving some thought to things Paul said.

      That, and since I learned what I needed to both here and asking the right questions and noticing the right things offline, I’m giving considerably less of a crap about the verbal excrement of slackers who don’t really live. I don’t try to save you anymore.

      If you’re interested, my -heh- lightbulb moment was in a conversation with a male friend who rejected me when he had the chance, complaining about his girlfriend’s body hair and stench and other filthiness. Mind you, this is his girlfriend.

      As the disgusting details unfolded, I could tell myself things like, “Yes, but she’s younger than me, and slimmer than me…”

      It wasn’t the first time I heard such things from a guy who’d rejected me or dumped me about his current girlfriend or wife. It’s just that this was kinda the straw that broke the landwhale’s back.

      I know what kind of girls you dudes who are serious fat bashers shag. They are not pretty.

      Guys who shag pretty girls aren’t thinking about me when I’m not speaking to them or about something they’re interested in talking about.

      You guys who make a big freakin’ deal about it though, as if you’ve never seen a woman over 40 in your lives (maybe why you behave as if you have no mother)…you guys shag fugg that skinks and has fleas and curse like sailors offline, can’t cook to save their lives, and eat junk and maybe are only still skinny because the actual calorie count of their junk is very low, or they’re burning calories shagging every other dude in town desperate enough to dip their dick in a miniature landfill.

      So if you don’t mind, save your little insults and illusions for naive young chubbies who don’t know the real story.

      I don’t buy it.

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      • Hey Nicole!

        Its so past predictable now, that’s its hardly insulting. Its almost borderline cliche. Its like really fellas that is all you’ve got?

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      • Neecy, between the insults is some good insight into the real perspective of men that you won’t find many other places. These guys know that even though I’m blunt, I really mean them no harm, and never really have, even back when my delivery was more Princess Bitch of Shelteredalphabred.

        So you’d do well to pay attention, even if you disagree. Don’t be too dismissive.

        You’ll learn a lot of you let yourself and stay out of too many catfights.

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      • Agreed and thanks for the advice – i’ll tone it down. I find 20%-30% of the stuff here interesting enough for me to want to come here. How long have you been on this site if you don’t mind me asking?

        I also notice you said you live in Israel. Are you from the USA originally? How do you like living abroad?

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      • I love living in Israel, but less and less every year because it’s turning into a little America in all of the worst ways. Originally, I’m from North Carolina.

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  79. Hey everyone!! I had a great day/night and I’m back home feeling a lot better than I have past few days (finally over my fever). I got this really HAAAWT wig that’s honey blonde and super big and curly, that I can wear when I wanna switch things up a bit (I’ve never worn a wig but this mofo is amazing – doesn’t even feel or look like a wig). I’m thinking I will call myself “ SASHA” when I don that bad boy. I bought make up brushes, visited my girl and had some red wine, visited grammy in the rehab and did some shopping.
    Anyway, as promised my time here would be short since when you are at home for a few days with a bad fever, bored, tired of TV, you need to be entertained.
    I have been THOROUGHLY entertained and I want to thank you all (yes even all of the dickheads) from the bottom of my recovering fever heart for feeding my boredom while I was sick this week.
    I’m going to return back to the blogs and forums I actually find worthy of my quality time, but you guys will always remain in the back of my mind. You never know when I may pop back in, so ALWAYS be on your best behavior boys!! And if you’re really good I may come back as SASHA 😉
    To my darling ANON who I have a pending mud/chocolate wrestling match with – I’m ready when you are – Holla at your girl!

    Signing out,

    NEEEEEECY!!!!!!

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  80. I love how the men here spend so much time talking about getting free of negative female influence and controlling women’s behavior – but as soon as any random female rolls in here to troll and attention whore, you all fall over yourselves to give her as much attention as humanly possible.

    I’ve seen it happen a hundred times here, and it’s equally as pathetic – and revealing – every time.

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    • Arguing with religious true believers can also be an entertaining pass time. Until the realization that nothing you say will ever change anything they believe sinks in, and then you grow out of that interest.

      Talking to feminists is the same process.

      You have to bang your head against the wall yourself before the activity loses appeal.

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    • you sound jealous

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      • You sound anonymous.

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      • Yeah, female Anonymous, show xsplat a little TLC… slowly, por favor. 🙂

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      • You know Anon, I think both our spidey senses are connecting b/c I get that same feeling. No need for hating. I’m willing to share the spotlight with some of my sisteren.

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      • Jealous? The formula’s simple, all I need to do is post a flattering headshot as my avatar, make flamboyantly dumb statements and I too could enjoy the attention of betas on the internet. But that would be pathetic, ne c’est pas?

        I get what you’re saying, Xsplat. I just have this irrational fear that arguing with stupid people will also make me stupid.

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      • Whatever Chika! I have to give you credit though – you really tried hard to keep the “betas” from further “falling over themselves giving me attention” by ending with this TRANSPARENT line:
        “I’ve seen it happen a hundred times here, and it’s equally as pathetic – and revealing – every time.”

        Trying to guilt men into ignoring another female b/c YOU are insecure rarely works. If they don’t want to converse with me they won’t. No insecure chick is going to try to convince them otherwise.

        Have a good night – biatch

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      • Heh. Are we going to have a bona fide cat-fight here? Cool!

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      • This ones for you CADDY. Me & Spiralina.

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      • If you play racket-sports long enough against a poor opponent, yes, your game will suffer. At minimum you’ll never receive the challenge you need to get to your next level of ability.

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  81. The original story is sad, but blatant projection on the writer’s part. I’ve known loads of female bartenders and they’re generally pretty numb (either by nature, or from all of the verbal abuse they put up with on the job). Like career strippers, they don’t take customers’ opinions seriously or even see them as human beings apart from their wallets. If she remembered you after all that time (not likely), there’s no chance she was feeling “shame” looking at you. All she was thinking was, “There’s that one guy who used to come in. Oh, and he’s got a broad with him. Good, he’ll spend more.” Any woman working at Coyote Ugly for her whole life probably didn’t have many choices to begin with, and has bigger problems on her mind than what some random customer thinks of her looks. The whole post sounds pretty mean-spirited, like kicking someone who’s already down.

    And I have no words for the guys who actually stalk women who rejected them in high school on Facebook to laugh at their declining SMVs. These women don’t give two shits about you or what you’re doing now – bitterness and pettiness at that level is beyond beta and approaching omega. Haven’t you ever heard the phrase “living well is the best revenge”?

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    • Yes, I agree with you on these extremely pathetic guys who laugh at girls with declining SMVs.
      I’m wondering what do these guys think. What should the girls do in high school, FORCE themselves to be with a guy they DIDN’T WANT to be with?

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      • Well, Maya and Spiralina, for the most part here there guys had a hot girl who said “let’s just be friends,” dumped them for some thug with a Camero or, God forbid, divorced and took their kids, the house and half their paycheck to shack up with dude with a big dick who lives in a trailer park. When they see these women later (older, fatter, with three kids, divorced, etc. or maybe just being pumped-and-dumped by creeps for sex with no future in it) then they’re more than a little happy at God and/or Kharma bringin’ a little justice. (Women would do this no less.) When that person from before tries to get something going (because of having no other options now) said guys tend to laugh in their faces then show how living well (without ’em, namely) is the best revenge. Let the hypergamy run wild, girls, and that’s what you get. Hate the game, not the playa.

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      • Karma has nothing to do with aging, Anonymous. Every one of us will shrivel, snuff out and blow away quicker than we want to, whether we treated others well or poorly in our youth. A person of clear karma won’t laugh at others’ misfortune, only pity them – if they pay attention at all. What if you found those women on Facebook and they were still radiantly gorgeous, married to men of much higher social status than yours, with beautiful and accomplished children? Would that increase or decrease your sense of self-worth?

        If you were truly free of your programming (aka alpha), you would concern yourself not one whit with the karma of others, only your own. To gloat over the fate of people who don’t remember or care about you is the essence of slave mentality – your happiness is still tied to others and not self-determined.

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      • Hell, I’m fine with it. Can’t say I blame the guys if they’re happy because an Ex came to nothing. Have an Ex who traded-up poorly and has only multiple cats now. Not happy at her situation, but I don’t want her back. Not unhappy about women doing better either. Kharma does have to do with bad actions and the rewards thereof in the comsic sense, though. I’ll let God handle that.

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    • Projection indeed. A hot girl should not be hitting the wall at 31. There is also a lesson to learn that SMV needs to be looked at existentially. High value 30 something men are not high value 20 something men. A 20 something girl has a good shot at an LTR with the former, where the latter is existentially out of her league. Also men can take note that a carnation in bloom may look better than a rose bud. Its not who, but also when. She is obviously trapped in a world that is no more than dusk to dawn. She has accelerated this process and burned out. It is tragic.

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    • on July 12, 2011 at 3:56 am whorefinder

      lol. As usual, you don’t get it.

      She would never know me, and never did. She knew me in passing–as another customer.

      But it’s like stripper well past her prime who’s gotten fat, but recognizes an old customer that used to pay through the nose for lap dances from her but now won’t look her way.

      Women thrive on desires from beta orbiters, even if they never learn the beta’s name. The fact that I was no longer a beta orbiter—and she couldn’t get me to look twice at her now—hurt her. I wish she did look the same, I would be trying my now moderate game on her. Alas, it was not to be.

      Projection indeed. These are the cold facts of reality.

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  82. neecy do you have diabeetus
    u look like a linebacker

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  83. Whatsup with this late invasion of thread snatchers?

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  84. And the Bad Girl 20 years later:

    http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2011/07/07/700-pound-woman-makes-a-career-out-of-eating-a-lot/

    Still deluded, though — her next husband will be “handsome, slim and at least 10 years younger than me.”

    Why is it only in the Anglo-Saxon world that we see women who are this deluded and entitled?

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  85. Its only been a total of 15 hrs and I’ve missed you all so much!! Who am i kidding, i don’t wanna leave just yet.

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  86. Makeup products have a lot to do with why a woman’s skin goes to shit so early in her life

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    • How about those new nanotech sunscreens? Do the nanoparticles get inside the cells and change the DNA?

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  87. Holy Christ, the signal-to-noise ratio here has gotten ridiculous.

    Two points:

    1. You fucking imbeciles debating the tone or validity of whorefinder’s OP are fucking imbeciles. It’s a personal reflection, a sketch memoir. It’s an attempt to reconcile the narrow trajectory of this particular woman against his own years of hard-earned sexual experience.

    In short, though the content is uniquely personal, his exposition is primarily LITERARY. That means instead of hoping to deliver this or that specific nugget of conclusive knowledge, it’s meant more as a meditation. The reader can draw what conclusions he or she will; but the author’s intent is to work through this dynamic for himself. If you find it bitter, ask yourself why or do better.

    Roissy/Heartiste’s own best-written posts have this same elevated quality of concreteness and suggestiveness. In short: read a fucking book once in a while.

    2. Neecy, Hon…

    You’ve got every right to post to these forums but we are both guests here. When one person aggressively provokes or dominates such a public space, it’s like a greedy party guest hogging all the hors d’oeuvres. It’s gluttonous and un-ladylike.

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  88. The moral of the story is:

    Never abuse, take for granted what you have. Take care of what the universe gave you. I’m not saying be vain about it, but just take care of it…your body, mind and soul.

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  89. Everyone, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE watch this video if you haven’t seen it yet – it matches perfectly to this thread. I love it and can’t stop watching it … It’s Lilly Allen, 22. This video is really painful!

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  90. This is rich. A loud-mouthed female “atheist” blogger complained last week that a fellow atheist geek hit on her in an elevator after she’d been partying until 4AM at the convention hotel, and the whole mangina atheist sphere erupts about how bad men are and how much they are in need of “evolving”:

    http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/07/11/rebecca-watson-is-a-silly-twit-introducing-the-skeptical-girl-meme/

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    • She’s 1% atheist and 99% fembot. Don’t kid yourself. Atheists don’t wallow in victimhood. Feminists do.

      This is all about victimhood.

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    • And that’s why I don’t comment on most feminist blogs…
      The most logical comment I saw on her blog was “Watson had just finished a speech about how and why women might feel uncomfortable being approached at conferences. This elevator invader was clearly disrespecting her message and objectifying her!” Even that made me want to shoot myself.

      Maybe he missed the speech and was just asking a drunk woman in an elevator if she’d like to have coffee (NOT more alcohol)?

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    • Attention whore 100%. Women in a position to reject 100 advances a day have long since inhaled the smog without conscious complaint.

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  91. It looks like we have a real MRA candidate for President (apart from Ron Paul who supports all men’s issues but who hasn’t been asked to discuss them in the new season and he hasn’t volunteered with any press releases so far this year).

    Gary Johnson, former NM governor, judged announced that the “Family Leader Pledge” that the mangina Rick Santorum and the feminist “Tea Party” candidate Michele Bachmann signed in the past few days, is “offensive to the principles of liberty”. Part of the pledge was for the Republican candidates to agree to ban all forms of pornography and prostitution:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/10/gop-candidate-gary-johnson-blasts-family-leader-pledge/

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/10/rick-santorum-signs-pledge-to-ban-same-sex-marriage-and-pornography/

    And there’s more. This is a video of Gary Johnson stating that he is well aware of father’s rights issues and the anti-male bias of the family courts:

    This guy’s running for President of the US 2012.

    Does the manosphere want to ignore this or run with it? Is there another attitude/issue we’re supposed to care about more in a candidate?

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    • I’ve always liked that guy, dating back to his early days, calling for legalizing pot, at the height of the drug war. He took a lot of heat for that.

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    • The number one issue should be to stop requiring employers to pretend that we’re all equal – that all races and both genders are equally capable of doing every job well; that one change would change everything.

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    • on July 18, 2011 at 4:19 pm Obstinance Works

      He’s a libertarian, and has no chance. Libertarians are all about drug policy and nothing else, so no sauce.

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  92. In a way, PUAs could envy this German man for the way he loved his kidnapped wife. He just hanged himself a year after she was found dead:

    http://www.bild.de/news/inland/maria-boegerl/boegerl-witwer-erhaengt-aufgefunden-obduktion-18815816.bild.html

    At the bottom is a video where he and the kids begged for the safe release of the hostage, and it is quite believable the way he breaks up. There’s no way he was involved in her murder.

    One could cynically say that he killed himself a year after she was found dead because he had been a herb who had lucked out in getting a woman above his station and was sure he’d never have the power/game to get a suitable replacement.

    But non-cynical men will envy the way he seemed to love her so much.

    Do Germans here know if they ever found the killers?

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    • That dude was a pussy.

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    • It looks like the dude had her killed himself and the police were moving in on him (had already impounded his computer or were about to).

      He was not buried in his wife’s grave but 60 miles away (funeral taking place now). That confirms the rumors that the marriage was a sham and that he did have twins in December with another woman, less than 9 months after she (aged 54) was killed.

      My take: He asked for a divorce when he learned the other woman was pregnant. He wanted to start a new family properly and be open about it.

      She probably threatened to destroy him financially, which wouldn’t be so hard to do in Germany. Everyone would be on her side. The bad divorce laws make an obvious motive for murder.

      Them not being buried together means the son and daughter (both adults) already knew the parents were no longer romantic or else the suicide note’s one sentence simply said “Bury me in my hometown, not with Maria”.

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  93. on July 12, 2011 at 10:06 am DevastatinglyFemale

    first of all – what kind of profession is that – a bartender?!? it’s degrading to any woman who would have to do it for more than 3 yrs.
    lack of night sleep and drinking shows even on men’s face/body [no, it’s not attractive and it doesn’t get better like err…wine].
    what’s sad is that the fact that in a course of 10 yrs she didn’t improve her mind…i guarantee the looks would follow.
    and by the way…what is this guy doing at the same bar anyway?! from all the beautiful places in NYC. can’t he find something…newer?!

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  94. This is what game does—changes your perspective on everything, makes you disdain what you once would have given an arm for.

    Indeed.

    You unplug from the femiMatrix. You navigate based on the world as it is as opposed to what the system tells you it is.

    Liberate your mind.

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  95. This isn’t tragic, it’s heartwarming to know that cock teasing sluts become washed up and haggard. Maybe that’s the beta in me talking, but I disdain that type of shit, so it’s good they get their comeuppance.

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  96. on July 13, 2011 at 3:56 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””n/a
    Yes. The only thing that should happen after the word creepy is used is the thunk of the machete into the neck tendons of whoever has used it.””””’

    awesomeness

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  97. on July 13, 2011 at 3:57 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Maya
    Another reason we should move to East Asia 🙂

    ”””

    wtf is the we shit western bitches need to stay home

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  98. This is disgusting:

    Mangina George Stephanopoulos at ABC News agrees with his female colleague’s assessment of Lorena Bobbit as a “victim” and is happy that she’s having such a good life now:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wife-cuts-off-husbands-penis-throws-garbage-disposal

    Stay on past the first video of the newest penis cutoff to see the “Lorena Bobbit Revisited” presentation with the mangina presiding.

    What she did should have brought at least a life sentence in jail.

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  99. If this is a cautionary tale, then what is a pretty young woman supposed to do instead of what the red-head did? I think I know the answer, but want to see what you guys think.

    (I am a guy, but curious what the moral of the story is)

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  100. Late to this post, but I had a similar experience a few weeks back – a girl I was banging 20 years ago when I was about 21 or so is now a land whale. She jumped on a lot of cocks after we parted ways, and even switched to pussy for awhile. I barely recognised her on the bus 20 years later, at 37 years old, she has gone from an 8.5 to a point that I cannot even give her a 1 out of 10. I’ll give her a 0.01 out of 10 because I am feeling generous. I’m pretty sure she wants to suck my dick, should I let her?

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  101. This is a good thread once you filter thru all of neecy’s comments.

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  102. I don’t buy it.

    I’ll believe the part about the girl looking worse for wear after years of partying and hard living, but the rest just doesn’t add up.

    For one thing, the hot bartender isn’t going to recognize a socially awkward dork that used to come into the bar ten years ago. Those guys are very forgettable.

    For another…whatever was going in in this girl’s head seems awfully important for a guy who claims to have grown and matured into a “confident, brazen, and cocksure” man. Unless whorefinder is a mind reader, he has no idea what she was thinking.

    This whole thing sounds like a made up beta male revenge fantasy to me.

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    • I find it believable. Waitresses remember their customers. And even if the details of the story are embellished, it’s hardly a “revenge fantasy” because we males see women every single day who were once goddesses and now are ugly; and who remember us from the days when they were goddesses.

      Whorefinder just wrote about everyday life for a man, only in a manner that the MSM would never publish.

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      • The fantasy part was where he imagined that walking into the bar with the Russian girl was such a significant even in that Coyote Ugly woman’s life that he single-handedly torpedoed her entire sense of self-worth.

        The truth is we really have no idea what she was thinking when she saw him, but I seriously doubt she was instantly overcome by shame.

        That “painful” look could have meant that she realized she forget to buy change from the bank and now they’re closed and she’s worried that they’ll run out of nickels over the weekend.

        But who knows…? She might be sitting at home right now in tears because whorefinder doesn’t think she’s pretty anymore. Or maybe not.

        I’m guessing not.

        [Editor: The tears will come in due time, with or without whorefinder’s presence.]

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