Girl Admits She Loathes Niceguy “Boyfriend”

This email, assuming it’s not fake, has been making the rounds (via Instapundit):

I have been seeing a guy for seven months now. He is a nice guy — probably the nicest guy I ever dated — very caring, respectful and treats me like a lady (brings me flowers unexpectedly, watches horror movies even though he doesn’t like them). Before him, I dated guys who were unavailable or just with me for all the wrong reasons. I started dating him four months [after] a break-up with a guy I was madly in love with and I still think of him.

My problem is that I am not sexually attracted to this nicest guy in the world and I feel super guilty about it. I don’t know what’s wrong with me; I feel like a horrible and shallow person by saying this but I am not attracted to his body type. We haven’t had sex, and we rarely kiss when he tries to make out with me (I usually have to force myself when we do). He has asked me on several occasions if I am not attracted to him and I have always lied and said that I am and that I am not ready to have sex, but the truth is I am not ready to have sex with him.

Recently he has introduced me to his family and has even mentioned the “love” and “marriage” words, and now I am confused and afraid that I am far to into it to just tell him that I am not into him. I don’t want to hurt his feelings as I believe in Karma and think that it will come back to bite me. I want to be sexually attracted to him because I think he will be a good provider and is definitely marriage material but I don’t know how to get myself there. I have read self-help books to try and seek the answer to this question but with no help. I can’t have a conversation with my girlfriends because I am afraid they will judge me. I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to end up alone or realize that he was the best thing in my life after he is gone. Please help. — Not Sexually Attracted

First, let’s get something straight. You haven’t been “seeing” a guy for seven months if you haven’t banged. At best, you’ve been hanging out with him and using him for seven months to meet your nonsexual needs. Like you might do with a friend. Or a puppy. Chicks these days need to stop redefining words that strip them of their implied meanings. That road leads to believing anal sex isn’t really sex. Or purple saguaros are actually back massagers.

Second, any man who tells a girl he loves her and wants to marry her AFTER SEVEN SEXLESS MONTHS is a leading candidate for beta of the year. Such a man wouldn’t know the first thing about how women work, and it’s no surprise that any girl stuck with a clingy loser like that would take advantage of him. We humans are programmed to prey on the weak, and this chick is no exception.

Third, never propose to a girl who writes “super guilty”.

Fourth, as a man with a pulse, you should be able to tell when a woman isn’t into kissing you. If she’s pulling backwards constantly, or making scrunchy faces like she just drank sour milk, you need to find that last ounce of dignity and walk away.

I don’t think there’s any news here that chicks love unavailable assholes and feel nothing in the vageen for genuinely nice guys. We’ve trod this territory plenty of times. Its truth is self-evident to anyone with the eyes to see. The more interesting angle, (again, assuming this email is legit), is the inside look at how easily, and without any apparent remorse, a girl will string along a beta schlub to extract emotional and material benefits from him.

Whenever the traditionalists and fembots pipe up about the innate purity of women’s sexual desire as opposed to men’s creepy and animalistic desire, it’s a good idea to helpfully remind them that the crass manipulation of a lovestruck suitor is an equal opportunity moral failing. I’d go so far as to say that using the opposite sex for favors while offering nothing in return that they want is largely the province of women who, after all, far outnumber the small wedge of alpha males who are able to successfully use women for sexual gratification. On the numbers alone, there have to be a lot more situations where a girl strings along a parade of sycophantic betas in a sexless purgatory than where a high status man strings a harem along in noncommittal sexual pleasure.

My advice to the girl who wrote the email:

Keep using your #1 herb. But don’t push it too far, or he might crack. Don’t be surprised if one day he has a Rainman freakout, his eyes wild with rage and spittle flying everywhere, the vein bulging in his neck, yelling at you for some trivial infraction that finally puts him over the edge.

My advice to the beta protagonist:

Grow a pair. Quit her.

My advice if this email was fake:

Thanks for the springboard.





Comments


  1. on June 24, 2011 at 8:54 am Frank Rizzo

    For what it’s worth, the “gender genie” website analyzes text to see if it bends male or female. They score this text as heavily female. Of course, that still doesn’t mean it’s real.

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  2. I find it amusing that the reason she doesn’t want to break up with him is because of Karma: If I hurt him that will come back to ME!

    ME, ME, ME!

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    • And not only is she selfish, she’s stupid… He’s got a dick and I assume it works (why he’s interested)– she could be corrupting the crap outta him and turning him on to all sorts of kinky shit she likes to do that gets her off (men are suckers if there’s pussy and orgasms in it for ’em). But, wait, her work for what she wants? She frickin’ lazy, too.

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      • I’ve tried turning vanilla guys kinky. It’s a bit of a hit and miss proposition, sadly. A lot of the nice guys will try the kinky stuff in order to please but in the end they usually want to return to the same old.

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      • Well, I know I could learn to excite a hot women who liked anal…

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      • I think you somewhat missed the point…

        See, she’s not attracted to him because of his submissive tendencies. it is the dominant qualities in a man that get a woman’s animalistic brain turned on.

        Shes not even interested in NORMAL sex ith this dude, let alone kinky sex.

        I blame the guy, for not realizing the situation, and not reading this blog or mine.

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      • No. He’s a limp wristed caricature of a real man. 3 weeks out of 4 bitches can put up with their beta boyfriends or gay shopping partners, but when they’re ovulating they want to be fucked by a real man. Preferably a real arsehole who makes them do all the kinky shit they pretend to hate.

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      • If they marry, he’ll end up raising some other guy’s kid.

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  3. on June 24, 2011 at 8:59 am singleflesh

    “For what it’s worth, the “gender genie” website analyzes text to see if it bends male or female. They score this text as heavily female. Of course, that still doesn’t mean it’s real.”

    I think any normal human being could read this and tell it’s either written by a chick or an extremely adept sociopath. Like Roissy said, phrases like “super guilty” are a huge give-away.

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  4. I hope her “boyfriend” isn’t George Sodini…

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    • Men get real pissed at this sorta thing… egdy enough for you now, you ‘ho-ass bitch! (etc.)

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  5. I doubt this email is fake. Reading it made me cringe. I used to be exactly like the dude in the email before I learned the beautiful truth from blogs such as this one.

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    • Amen. Agreed.
      Exactly. Like. This. Dude.
      Not anymore. Pump & dump.
      Me alpha? Probably not.
      Supreme asshole? Solid gold trophy.

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  6. Last night, at a bar, there were 2 main crowds of women: women in their 30s and women in their 20s. The groups definitely congregated by themselves, rarely penetrating the other.

    All I could think when I talked to the women in their 30s is “Why aren’t you married yer?” I talked to the one (debatable) cute-ish older gal, who eventually said “We should hang out sometime, but I have a boyfriend.” My immediate response is “You should ask him about that, aren’t women your age usually married?” Of course she was 6 years younger than me.

    I come down pretty hard with women who use the term boyfriend on me (it’s too captive) — they’re welcome to say they’re seeing me, or they’re sleeping with me, but boyfriend?

    Oh, I came up with this gauge for women’s ages and label over the past few weeks and tested it out last night successfully:

    Teens (18-19)
    Post-teens (20-21)
    Twenties (22-24)
    Pre-thirties (25-29)
    Thirties (30-31)
    Pre-forties (32-39)

    So far, it’s been very accurate except for one 35-year old woman. Of course I’m tapping that one now.

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  7. She needs to dump him. Maybe if he gets his ass handed to him he will begin to see the truth and make a change for himself that will lead to glory hole. Often it takes a heartbreak to get yourself on the enlightened path.

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    • Why does she need to dump him when he’s providing for most of her needs?

      I’ve written about this multiple times here and elsewhere: women and men have a desire grade level towards each other (“DGL”). A man will dump a woman when his desire for her drops below a B-. A woman will keep a man around until her desire grade level is an F, or when she finds a man she desires who is higher than the current one.

      She’ll dump him when a “better” beta or a strong alpha shows interest, but not before.

      It’s like saying “Why do you shop at Target? You hate their clothes!” when there isn’t another store in 50 miles. She has no other options, yet, so she’ll let him bury himself deeper.

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    • @AB, I was speaking in terms of what would be best for the guy, not the girl. I agree that she is making out and it would be in her best interest to continue to the relationship until something better comes along. Although I personally would rather be single than be with somebody that repulsed me.

      I dated a girl from Chicago who by all measurements was a real catch but she was so incredibly needy that it just grossed me out and I had to get rid of her.

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  8. @editor
    “The more interesting angle, (again, assuming this email is legit), is the inside look at how easily, and without any apparent remorse, a girl will string along a beta schlub to extract emotional and material benefits from him.”

    I disagree. This sounds like genuinely nice young woman, who lacks
    understanding of women (just like her “beta schlub”). Specifically, she
    lacks understanding of herself.. Much like her “boyfriend, she has no
    clue why she is not attracted, she thinks she SHOULD be attracted.

    And she let this relationship happen, on the rebound from a badboy.
    She probably read the same less-than-useless books about
    relationships that he did.

    And now, they are both caught in a dead-end relationship.

    Thor

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    • “This sounds like genuinely nice young woman”

      I disagree. Sounds like a shallow bitch. She even labels herself as one.

      “My problem is that I am not sexually attracted to this nicest guy in the world and I feel super guilty about it. I don’t know what’s wrong with me; I feel like a horrible and shallow person by saying this”

      As others have said, “it’s all about me me me me!”

      Fuck her. (And not in the sexual way)

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      • Shallow, in that context, implies that she is hung up on the fact that he doesn’t physically attract her via looks. What they are both missing is that it’s not physical, it’s how he acts (beta) that doesn’t attract her. But yes, she does only seem concerned with her feelings, and not his.

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      • on June 24, 2011 at 8:25 pm My Name Is Jim

        Well he’s probably trained her like that in this relationship you know. Nice guys make it all about how she feels. I should know from my younger days unfortunately. We train others how to treat us, as the saying goes. This guy will learn, if he cares to.

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  9. @A.B. Dada

    “Last night, at a bar, there were 2 main crowds of women: women in their 30s and women in their 20s. The groups definitely congregated by themselves, rarely penetrating the other.”

    Ah yes. Like seeks out like, (with narrow exceptions for mating, when
    people seek the opposite sex). During the filming of the original
    “Planet of the Apes”, it was too timeconsuming to slip in and out
    of the ape-suits, so people had lunch and breaks with the suits on.

    And the Orangs, Gorillas, Chimps and unsuited people separated out
    into these groups! What self-respecting gorilla wants to sit
    among chimps?

    Thor

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    • I think I had 2 or 3 of those 30-something castigate me openly for dating way below my age, to which I just practice my smile and head-back nod. I need to just click “Record’ on my phone when I talk to the old broads, so I can share with guys reasons why you have to tread carefully when you meet a gal who is 26 or older. I have a few dames in my life who are in that age group and are fantastic, but the vast majority of them feel and act like life didn’t just take a dump on them, but a continuous bout of diarrhea.

      Speaking of phones: does anyone here have any Android programming talents? If so, hit me up at adam.dada at gmail dot com. I’ve come up with what may very well be one of the best Game ideas for a smartphone app, and have the cash to involve a programmer.

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    • I just saw an ad for a new movie w/Kevin James(the fat guy from Mall Cop) about a talking gorilla. It looks damned funny;will try to see it, Just a thought:the racial implications are hilarious.

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    • @Thor

      “. During the filming of the original
      “Planet of the Apes”, it was too timeconsuming to slip in and out
      of the ape-suits, so people had lunch and breaks with the suits on.

      And the Orangs, Gorillas, Chimps and unsuited people separated out
      into these groups! What self-respecting gorilla wants to sit
      among chimps?”

      Seriously? Citation PLEASE. Wanna know.

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      • I highly doubt this as makeup and costume application would probably take up to 8 hrs each time!

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  10. Thor, this doesn’t sound like a nice girl at all: she sounds like a real bitch who is nothing if not entirely self-absorbed. He is described entirely in terms of what he does for her. She is using him as a learning experience at great cost to his time and self-esteem.

    He is going to end up with an instrumentalist and bitter view of women and she will end up with someone like Roissy again.

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    • I’ve seen this type of girl all the time. She has different guys for diffferent “needs”. The need she has for “security” and “being taken care of”…is that guy.

      I bang a girl from mainland China whenever I go there. She’s always attentive, takes me to cool places, then comes to my hotel and wants me to raw dog her.

      She drives me to the airport.

      But it wasn’t always so…initially when I started banging her after a long period of just hanging out….she kept insisting she wanted someone to “take care of her”.

      I shot back with…..are you crippled? etc etc.

      Finally when she realized she couldn’t go that route….it was clear what our relationship was going to be about.

      I do make mistakes when it comes to gaming women.

      But when I’m on…it totally works.

      Posts like this only reaffirm that despite what women say they want….what they need is a strong dominant guy who isn’t afraid to call them on their crap.

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  11. “I don’t know what’s wrong with me”

    You’re a cunt?

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    • Cunt? Not really. Typical woman? Yes.

      Women simply aren’t wired to tingle for good, decent, non-alpha men who treat them well. What’s more, they never have been. It’s not their nature.

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      • The most darkly amusing part of it is that if he unexpectedly looked her hard in the eye, told her to get lost, and started dating another hottie the next day, she would both call him a jerk for his behavior *and* suddenly realize a desire for this poor sap.

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      • Yup. That’s how it is. And that’s when a light clicks on. And unfortunately that light also lights up the inner ugliness of the manipulators. Double win for the guy ! Game on and good riddance of Miss Nasty.

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      • Oh NO!!!!!!!

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 8:14 pm My Name Is Jim

      Why you mad, bro? She can’t help it, she needs her attraction. She’s just being a girl. This guy will learn, if he wants to learn he’ll get there, though probably not with her. If he won’t, it’s no one else’s problem. Not mine, not yours.

      In fact, let’s be thankful for the lesser betas. If not for them, greater beta/aspiring alpha types like me would never get laid.

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      • Not mad. I just calls ’em as I sees ’em.

        She’s a user, she’s shallow, and she “don’t want to end up alone or realize that he was the best thing in my life after he is gone.”

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      • She’s a user and shallow.

        As opposed to what?

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      • As Flavia said down thread earlier:

        However, this totally screws over the nice girls (yes, they exist) who want to get married without riding the carousel and have a nice normal life with some kids.

        If we are to believe Flavia, those that aren’t. Are there any nice girls? Does such a creature exist?

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      • A man.

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      • Thanks to feminists, men get called shallow & users regardless of whether we are or not. Goes with the ability to stand when we pee.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 1:06 pm John Norman Howard

      This ain’t a Shuckin’ n’ Jivin’ Darkies and Blondes website, Jasper… and for the record, that youtube crap has been posted several times over already on this site.

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  12. Sorry for the repost. Anybody know how to embed youtube videos?

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  13. Well said, Roissy. You always have additional insight to add, beyond the obvious.

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  14. @various

    No. She is nice, or at least tries to be. The very fact that she worries
    about being a horrible shallow person strongly suggests that she is
    not. She drifted into this relationship on the rebound, and doesn’t
    quite have the guts – yet – to end it. And again, she DOES lack
    self-knowledge, she believes the shit she has read, and does
    not understand her own emotional reactions.

    A read through this blog would set her straight.
    OR a truly competent therapist, I believe they are rare.

    Funnily enough, I went through some of this stuff with my wife,
    and was – partly – set straight by her father. Of all sources.

    Thor

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    • A good father knows that his daughter needs a good alpha man. If your other traits were acceptable to him (financial income, long term stability, etc), it’s in his best interest to let you know where you’re failing so that he doesn’t have to worry about carrying for her in her 30s or 40s.

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      • Haw haw haw! A ‘good” father wants a guy like Roissy “rogering” his daughter,after he checks her boobs for signs of sagging???You clowns get a little poozy and you think you’re MicK Jagger! Or that nigger that banged Kim Kardashian!

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  15. This is Jen

    She sounds legit. This is almost a universal experience for women.

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  16. Someone SHOULD send the poor girl this blog – I wish I had read it when I was in my early 20’s. That would have prevented a lot of the unnecessary drama (all caused by yours truly) that would happen when I let the nice guys down, and then turned around to date total assholes. Beta rage can be slightly majestic to behold, but it’s unwarranted and completely avoidable. The only regret I have in life is the unnecessary pain I’ve caused in men who did not deserve it, despite being beta.

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    • Just post the URL Ovid. No need to embed.

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    • What a depressing life we live.

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      • ACat, depressing? You mean pretty lies perishing? A good riddance. Life itself no problem. It’s just these damned fairy tales that we sponged up, mistaking them for a reflection of reality.

        Maybe you’re grieving. It will pass.

        As a society, we took up, in various forms and dosages, these “noble enlightenment” notions about human potential, thinking that we’re smarter than our grandparents. Yes, smart-assess we were, but none the wiser. Our sin was pride (=hubris).

        We broke things, either on purpose, or unwittingly, or did say nothing, and you’d better be ready that the repairs would be costly.

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  17. on June 24, 2011 at 11:08 am El Gringo Loco

    Reading and thinking about game has changed my life, and this blog is basically a clearinghouse for the knowledge that society in general and women in particular don’t want us to have. That said, I do think that this post exemplifies the biggest flaw in game thinking, which is that it tends to underrate the importance of male physical attractiveness.

    In this case, the girl specifically mentions a lack of sexual attraction and lets it slip that she doesn’t like the guy’s “body type.” You can’t just dismiss this as a rationaliziation since one of the main reasons women rationalize attraction or the lack thereof is to make themselves look morally superior—in general, and especially to men. So, when you’re worried about seeming shallow, which this girl really is, why would you admit that you don’t like the guy’s body unless you really don’t? On the female view of things, non-attraction due to lack of physical appeal is almost as “shallow/bad” as non-attraction due to lack of game.

    Anyway, the point is that just as we laugh when feminists say that men who date hot young women are “insecure” or whatever, a lot of girls laugh when game guys say or imply that looks are either completely irrelevant or readily transcended. We know that getting it on with a good-looking girl is its own reward; isn’t it just possible that women, to a lesser but still meaningful extent, feel the same way?

    This matters because it has two practical applications: 1. Don’t neglect working out/getting a good haircut, etc. and 2. Calibrate your game realistically. Meaning, if you’re a 4 and your goal is to bang a 9, you pretty much have to make a sh*tload of money or become famous/infamous. If you’re a 4 and you’re working on a 6 and an 8, and if the amount of time/effort/thought you can put in is limited, you’re probably better off directing the balance of your resources to the 6, at least if your goal is to maximize your chances of a short-term lay.

    And, yes, I am aware that the Chateau has often pointed out that looks do matter and can set an upper bound on a man’s game. I just think that this is something we could all do to keep in mind more, as the reaction to this story shows. We’re 14 posts in and a lot of good things have already gotten said, yet nobody has mentioned what the girl, herself, cites as the main reason she can’t get into this dude. And, as I said, she has every reason to lie so her admission is credible.

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    • Women like to walk into the party on the arm of a man other women wish they had. A man’s looks form part of the basis for the envy other women feel. But women generally are not satisfied walking into a room with the hottest man, if his looks is all he brings to it, because that simply is not enough to create that competitive social envy a woman delights in.

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    • A man’s attractiveness has weight in overall DMV and SMV, but it isn’t specifically important.

      Here are things that can offset attractiveness by a large margin:

      Get BMI to 20-24: +1
      Bench press 81% to 170% of your body weight: +1
      Earn over $90K: +1
      Become a business owner: +1
      Get more real friends: +1
      Approach people first at parties: +1
      Go to house parties: +1

      Case in point: I am not the prettiest boy in the room. I’ve had women call me ugly (projection!) more than once. When people try to describe my looks, they typically say something that can be construed as very negative or very positive (“Gangster” “Criminal” etc). Still I date women who are 8+ often, and I still attract women half my age.

      Why? Because when I take the Dating Market Value test, I excel at everything I can control, and I don’t give a shit about things I can’t control. I’m short (-1), and I’m typically assymetrical in features (-1).

      Subtract 2, add 12 points, and my looks and height have no real effect.

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      • My dad wouldn’t blink if someone called him “not attractive” (because it would be true). But he’s huge on eye contact, non-wordiness, body language, plus all of the big value-adders (working out, owning a business, friends in the community, etc.) Why do I mention my dad instead of myself? Because I wouldn’t be here if his “game” hadn’t worked. My existence proves my/your point.

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      • I certainly don’t care. If a gal wants a pretty boy, she’s got other issues anyway. I’m superficial because my DMV and SMV allow me to be. Most women who chase pretty boys had high DMV or SMV at one point, but they’re on the path to the bottom much faster than they’re seeing.

        I dated a gal 2 years ago who loved the pretty boys. We had a pretty mutual “break up” (I stopped calling, she stopped calling), but whenever I run into her, she pitches game hardcore and I deny her even harder. Her DMV has dropped at least 6 points in 2 years, and will likely fall another 6 points in the next year. She’s out of my league in the wrong direction.

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    • “In this case, the girl specifically mentions a lack of sexual attraction and lets it slip that she doesn’t like the guy’s “body type.” You can’t just dismiss this as a rationaliziation since one of the main reasons women rationalize attraction or the lack thereof is to make themselves look morally superior—in general, and especially to men. So, when you’re worried about seeming shallow, which this girl really is, why would you admit that you don’t like the guy’s body unless you really don’t?”

      You said it. Rationalization. Rationalizing to herself why she wants to dump “this nicest guy in the world” & go after someone who’ll treat her like shit & get her hamster spinning. She doesn’t care about his “body type”. She just needs to justify to herself why she wants to be shit on.

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      • Being treated like shit by some asshole is “strong,” being treated decently is “weak”… where are all the good men, whaah?!

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      • on July 4, 2011 at 4:47 pm incubus tickler

        The good men were crapped on a few too many times by women who ignored them or used them for presents, companionship, meals, and money, only to see them later leave on the arm of a Fratty Doucherino.
        Eventually, if he has a brain and a pair of testes, he becomes a bit of a douche himself. He hits the gym, maybe does a round of ‘roids, buys a motorcycle and some tight shirts,& morphs into a bit of a PUA.
        Women tend to get the men they deserve.

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  18. Hm, I think you need to give the girl credit for trying to break out of the female nature that men tend to disrespect so much.

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  19. I’m curious what she means by the ambiguous comment “I’m not attracted to his body type…”

    Is he fat? skinny? small penis?

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    • When a woman makes a comment with any vagueness, it’s her outer brain lying about what her inner brain is thinking.

      “I’m not attracted to his body type” = outer brain talking, inner brain is saying “I don’t like this guy and I’m not sure why.”

      versus

      “He’s fat” = truth.

      “I don’t like how you treat me” = outer brain talking, inner brain is happy for the challenge.

      versus

      “I don’t like that you don’t return my phone calls and talk to other women in front of me so much.” = truth. Dump her.

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  20. Posts like this helped me to finally take my own desires to heart instead of trying to fulfill whatever wants the chicks i’m dating has. Helped me lots, but damn i was indoctrinated.

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  21. She can tell her girlfriends. They will definitely encourage her to dump that “loser” and “go with her heart.” If this email is real she’s probably already told a female friend and been encouraged to ditch him for the next asshole who will hurt her. He’s so beta that she’s probably already forgotten the downside of being with an arrogant, cheating jerk.

    In unrelated news, this is how a real prince should behave and marry:

    http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/the-quot-other-quot-royal-wedding-will-monacos-albert-and-charlene-be-the-next-kate-and-will-2501010/#photoViewer=1
    Notice she’s hot as hell, significantly younger, and wasn’t picked because she’d make a good queen.

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    • This match is very important to me. I hope they have a daughter very quickly, because it’s my only goal in life to carry a Monégasque passport and marry white royalty.

      Off-topic some more: the only way to get a Monégasque passport is to live in the country for 10 years, make a HEFTY deposit ($250,000?), and verify your residence constantly. I considered incorporating in Monaco many years ago, but that loophole was closed soon after I kicked the paperwork in to file.

      Of course, opening a GBC in Monaco is pretty straight forward (tons of bureaucratic red tape though), and with no withholding tax, personal income tax or managerial salary tax, it might still be smart for me to move my operations there some day.

      Still, I’d rather marry a princess and get fast tracked to citizenship that way. Sounds easier, in fact.

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  22. “When a woman makes a comment with any vagueness, it’s her outer brain lying about what her inner brain is thinking.”

    Mr. Dada, this is the comment of the century. It distills so much about interpreting a woman’s behavior into one simple statement.

    By the way, I’m in Chicago and would love to meet you sometime.

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    • I’ve met maybe 5 guys from Roissy’s site in the past few months. Meeting one dude this Sunday, in fact. Just drop me an email at adam.dada at gmail dot com and let’s drink Scotch. My primary residences are in Pilsen, Rosemont by O’hare, and Andersonville, but my Scotch lounge is in Pilsen alone.

      Thanks for the compliment, it’s a battle trying to convince guys that women have 2 brains, and rarely do they work together in harmony.

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      • “it’s a battle trying to convince guys that women have 2 brains, and rarely do they work together in harmony.”

        Thanks to this site, it is a battle that was easily won. (At least to me. This site has validated everything that I have thought for the last 35 years)

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      • it’s a battle that can be won though.

        but try convincing women that they have 2 brains….

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      • I have one guy friend I actually care about (he’s come to my aid unrequested more than a few times) who just doesn’t get it. What kills me is that he’s tall, really handsome (but not baby faced), makes three times what I make, has way more friends and social contacts, but still is the omega in the room, always. No amount of mental conditioning I give him gets through to him, and it’s such a loss for the world.

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      • That’s really, really interesting. It seems like it only takes most dudes one or two painful dumps/cheats to realize that something is seriously fucked up about our understanding of women. Maybe he hasn’t ever been dumped without cause by a girl he cared about? I have so many questions that I’m just going to wait and hope you keep talking about him in other threads rather than ask the questions now.

        I assume you have shown him this letter and explained that most women will never go seven months with a nice guy “boyfriend”. They’ll have the same thoughts and feelings, but reject the guy within a few minutes or weeks… unless they are fat and ugly. Maybe that’s his thing? Maybe he’s gay? Like I said, too many questions

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      • Try convincing some of us that they have ONE.

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      • You said it. Mostly it’s just the rationalization hamster talking with ’em.

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  23. This is not such an unbelievable situation as it appears.

    My gf told me her female friend had a “boyfriend” for almost a year and they didn’t kiss or have sex.

    My reaction…after I stopped laughing and looked at her with “no…really, seriously?”

    Was “This guys is more ‘friend’ and definitely ‘boy'”.

    But this is in Hong Kong. There is some notion that cads have sex while “nice guys” “take care” of their girlfriends.

    Another girl I went out with a few years ago also described some beta guy who is always asking her out.

    She had some analogy of a sinking ship drifting out to sea. We both laughed. I was laughing harder. I realized she wasn’t making a joke, this was how she saw the guy.

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    • My laptop battery died just as I was posting a reply.

      Short form: my GF had many “serious relationships before meeting me. I groped her on the first date, on the 3rd was the first person to ever see her titties, and after a month or two had to litterally rape her to get her virginity. I had to forcefully raper her every time for at least the whole first month.

      Some girls will “date” the nice guys, but the nice guys will never, NEVER NEVER get inside that pussy. They will only go for a guy who is forceful enough to compel her.

      Nowadays of course my girl comes regularly and initiates sex. I can’t imagine her coming for one of her nice boys.

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      • “”Nowadays of course my girl comes regularly and initiates sex. I can’t imagine her coming for one of her nice boys.””

        Of course. She wouldn’t come for one of the nice guys because there is no challenge there. It’s too predictable.

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      • I recently heard of how jackrabbits fuck. The do a little mock battle first. Many animals do play-rape.

        Apparently some women won’t give it up without a fight.

        I was literally wrestling with her as foreplay for the longest time.

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      • That’s a slippery fucking slope. I’m starting to train myself to never ask for a kiss, and I can also see the validity of play rape. My non-kinky friends would never speak to me again if I ever told them. I need new goddamn friends.

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  24. not only no sex for seven months, but she practically detests physical contact with him?

    even during my betamax days, i’d have been long gone.

    this guy needs some serious reprogramming.

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  25. When I read this, I get a picture in my mind of the boyfriend being Al Franken.

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    • Worse: Al Roker.

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    • he’s a jew and theyre not known for being “nice guys”. But they can get obsessed by a girl who doesnt want them. I could see Franken doing some damage,Remeber the jew who hired someone to cut up that beautiful models face? (Marla somebody)

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      • I attended a private Al Franken fundraiser (didn’t donate). He was exhibiting plenty of alpha-esque self-possession, despite being little. For his spiel, he kicked off his shoes and stood on a foot stool in the middle of the hosts’ living room. He had a surprisingly confrontational and not p.c. way of speaking – i.e. he said that he “seriously” wanted to see George W. Bush fall off the wagon after losing the ’08 election.

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      • This may be so, but how many guys put on the tough front when it comes to their careers and turn into a sniveling puddle of goo when they come home to their beastly women? Franken just strikes me as one of those guys.

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      • #1 tell: He spends his career working for the feminist agenda. Duh.

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      • Stuart Smalley… call him typecast.

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      • Nice to humanity, nasty to people. Too many people like him.

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  26. on June 24, 2011 at 1:41 pm Ricardo di Matteo

    I’ve read in the game blogosphere that another reason why ‘nice guys’ aren’t liked is because what they are actually being is manipulative: being nice because they expect something (sex) in return because they’re to gutless to say/demonstrate what they want.

    Such manipulative behavior opens the ‘nice guy’ up to being manipulated himself – as we see happening to the man described in the e-mail.

    Props to Allen Roger Currie’s ‘Mode 1’ theory for the above gem of wisdom.

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    • Yes, but nice guys are so busy being nice that they lack introspection as to their own motivations. They are so busy empathizing that they forget they even have a self. So their motivations can be unconscious. So they will deny being manipulative – because they refuse to admit to or even acknowledge their own shadowy intentions.

      Bad boys have integrated their Jungian shadow selves, and have no guilt. Good boys have the same shadows, but use repression and guilt to keep the shadows covered.

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    • Interesting point Ricardo di Matteo…case and point. Before we started going, my gf got asked to dance in our social circle by a wide variety of guys…”nice guys”…it’s a ‘social circle’.

      She never regarded them as anything more than “friends” as in LJBF….always. Still many persisted hiding their motivations of trying to get into her pants by being “nice” and “social”….

      But….when these “nice guys” realized that she was never going to bang them because she was hanging out with me…they suddenly stopped asking her to dance and making polite conversation.

      It demonstrates that if they truly wanted to be “Friends” in the ‘social’ sense, they wouldn’t care that she was or wasnt’ with a guy….

      But these “nice guys” are actually manipulative little fuckers who otherwise couldn’t be bold enough to make a move, so they “orbit” until they spin themselves dead like a top that finally can’t spin anymore so it just falls over.

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  27. A.B. Dada I’m a woman and I want to meet you too. I’m intrigued.

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    • behold the power of game.

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    • Lisa, I have no problem meeting guys or gals from the Internet. If you’re in Chicago, come by a pub I’m at, buy me a drink, and you’ll have my attention til the liquid hits the bottom. Drop an email adam.dada at gmail dot com.

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      • A.B., you are suave! I’m in Minneapolis. But if I’m ever in Chicago, I’ll drop you an email and maybe we can meet. It would be one hell of a wedding story, wouldn’t it? lol

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      • I was at Triple Rock not that long ago. Minneapolis women tend to be better than the Southerners I typically meet. I think it has to do with generations past having to pull the plow before the cold winter.

        Make it happen. I’ll even pay for the wedding photos I like.

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      • This just keeps getting better and better! A guy willing to pay for wedding photos- and they say chivalry is dead. Btw, I’m not originally from MN, so there hasn’t been any, uh, plowing in my family.

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      • Hell yeah I’ll pay for the best photos of me. When I joined OKCupid, I posted 2 of my photos from my previous marriage. Those were very popular. If I posted better photos from my second marriage, I can’t imagine how powerful they’d be.

        That’s too bad about not being from MN, I always thought a good family begins with regular, consistent plowing.

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      • AB:

        A good family does begin with regular plowing, but not of a field, and not with a plow.

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      • Well, A.B. I do what I can to help out any roissy fan. And if good wedding photos is what you need…then just hightail it up to Minn, and we’ll head to the wedding chapel at the Mall of America. With me, it’s class all the way…

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    • Lisa, I am in the IT field. I am very nice. I am very very gentle. I am faithful,and attentive. I am in touch with my feminine side and not intimidated by committment.I like confident women. Want to meet me?

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  28. Of course, all this email will do is convince more and more guys to be a jerk. The biggest jerk they can be. Levi Johnson, or the Situation. Guys like that. Its not that hard to copy Levi Johnson, or the Situation. D- it up, be a total d-bag, get a couple of girls pregnant at the same time. Its easy.

    Ladies, I say it again. You want the bad boys, you’ll get em. Good and hard too! But that’s all you’ll get. Most single guys will do their best to turn themselves into something like Levi or the Situation. But don’t expect anything like commitment, loyalty, or any investment whatsoever once you pass thirty. Don’t expect any guy with any modicum of self-respect or desirability to want to actually MARRY you.

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    • I know Roissy made me see the light on this. Why waste effort trying to find a woman worth marrying (as rare as unicorns) when there are so many girls in their early 20s eager to jump into bed if you game them right.

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    • Before coming across Game Literature, I’d already been doing well with the ladies, without being a “jerk.” Maybe some would see me as a jerk, because of general selfishness and sudden dumpings, but my point here is this: I like having love affairs. Yes, that age-old concept. Finite in duration, heightened in pleasure. Enjoyable to both. She knows that I could be convinced to settle down eventually but that that would take a remarkable woman, which makes her want to be a remarkable woman. Do you think the Situation has “love affairs”? Perhaps. Doubtful. He’s a drunken dolt.

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      • How likely is it most guys will find that subtle gradation? Not very likely. You’re dealing with the average American male here. The average guy does not do subtle. So its Levi Johnson and the Situation. D-bag ahoy!

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      • Subtle calibration is a byproduct of educated intelligence and that is a now all too rare combination.

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      • Fuck proles.

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    • Exactly. Feminists should get what they ask for, and they should get it hard.

      However, this totally screws over the nice girls (yes, they exist) who want to get married without riding the carousel and have a nice normal life with some kids. Feminism has done more to destroy the happiness of women than any cad ever could.

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      • Subsitute “men” for women.

        However, this totally screws over the nice guys (yes, they exist) who want to get married without playing the games and have a nice normal life with some kids. Feminism has done more to destroy the happiness of men than any broad ever could on her own.

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      • Dude, you are DA MAN! [high-five]

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    • Levi Johnson is not a bad boy. If anything Bristal Palin and her crazy mom are the bitches. Accusing him of rape years later. He was going to marry Bristol but Mama Palin put a stop to that. Palin is the absolute worst candidate out there for men. Female Social Conservatives hate male sexuality. But I think you do too Whiskey. Go to church and stop reading this site. This is not a site for good christian boys like you.

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  29. Me. I want a nice guy boyfriend.

    I’ve had enough of alphas.

    The problem is, when I do date a nice guy, he feels that I get too much attention and I’m so used to conducting myself in a manner I did with high status men, he feels a bit…inadequate.

    I’ve somehow priced myself out of the nice guy market.

    FML.

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  30. Ricardo, the stuff about the “nice guys” being manipulative is bullshit. Women just use it to rationalize their attraction to assholes.

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    • Damn straight!

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    • Maybe you don’t understand what being manipulative is.

      Being manipulative means doing ANY action designed to get a reaction.

      That includes nice actions.

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      • But women say “manipulative” when they mean “a guy who’s nice to me that I don’t want to have sex with” (guys who try to appeal then that they do want to have sex with are okay, however).

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    • I disagree. I don’t think nice guys are being intentionally manipulative but from the angle of, I’ll treat you nice than him therefore you should be with me. That is manipulative as everything is trying to bring the girl around to the “better” way of thinking. The nice guy thinks of himself as somehow morally superior to the guy getting laid… In fact, he’s not nice at all, he’s just got no balls to really push himself with women – probably due to lack of T. If you are successful in life in any well-rounded way then the women will follow, there’s no need to be a jerk really..

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 11:20 am Difference Maker

        Indeed. Too sleepy for extended comment (lol) but one should have the insight to realize how creepy and pathetic “nice”ness can be.

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  31. The problem with this girl isn’t her lack of attraction (you can’t control that). The problem is keeping this beta orbiter around for 7 months and exploiting him.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 3:11 pm Polichinello

      In fairness, she may be sticking with it, hoping some spark of attraction will flare, like it almost always does in romcoms, but if it ain’t there after seven months, then she should end the relationship.

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    • At this point I entirely blame the victim.

      She doesn’t have a problem with how she is treating this guy. The guy has that problem. She has no duty to fix the guys problem.

      Her only problem is being born female. She is in an untenable situation – she is only attracted to bad boys who make for poor providers, yet she wants a good provider.

      The best advice for her would be to stop focusing on this guy and date around more, but she has a small case of reverse-onitis going on, and so won’t cut her losses.

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      • on June 25, 2011 at 1:14 pm David Rockefeller

        This is the first comment that gets to the heart of the issue — he’s the problem, not her.

        Being pissed at her is like a Red Sox fan getting pissed that the Yankees are trying to score runs. She’s doing what girls do. If anything, she’s trying not to be cruel. Lots of girls would have used/abused/exploited this loser.

        Seven months with a girl he hasn’t fucked? I don’t do long courtships — I like to fuck on first date. No sex by 3rd date and I’m out the door. I almost never even go on a 3rd date w/o her having signed in blood she’s going to fuck me.

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 11:24 am Difference Maker

        Nice guys are repulsive like ugly girls.

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  32. on June 24, 2011 at 3:09 pm Polichinello

    Actually, this relationship is costing the girl. Yes, she gets a buddy, some free meals and movie tickets, but she’s losing time. Seventh months of her life are gone, seven months that she should have been using to find someone she wants to be with. When you consider that she probably in her mid-20s, then she’s wasted about 5% of the time she has to catch a man before she hits ye olde wall. Her best move? If she’s not going to marry this guy, she should both of them a favor and end the relationship, completely. Move one with your life, lady. Ultima Forsan–It’s later than you think.

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    • I give advice like this to my ex every time she brings up her love life (and I don’t tell her to shut up).

      Women must consider dating as a business venture. They need to string along a number of guys until one suitable guy commits. In the meantime, they must avoid giving more of their heart than they are receiving back in commitment.

      It’s a job, and must be approached with ruthless clinical efficiency. Especially as a girl nears 30.

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    • Oh, you know she’s been getting some dick on the side.

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  33. on June 24, 2011 at 3:09 pm CORPORAL HICKS

    Actually, the whole story proves the importance of sexual attraction as the beginning of ANY relationship.

    Marriages that last are ALWAYS the ones where the physical attraction is still there.

    Ask any divorce attorney. When the sex stops, the relationship is TOAST. But if the sex is still there, then the marriage can be salvaged.

    It’s really that simple. You’ve got to game your wife. You’ve got to call her on her shit.

    My wife stated yesterday that the trash canister (you know, the big one) needed to go out because the truck comes by today. What was my response? Easy. Take the garbage out to the curb, babe.

    She did it without saying a word. Then she gave me a kiss in the car. it without

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 4:30 pm Beer Monkey

      Agreed that sex leaving the marriage kills it.

      Which is why every mother needs to tell their daughters to not get fat.

      My ex ballooned up after marriage. Why on earth she would think I would want to fuck a fat wife when I only fucked thin girls when I was single is beyond me.

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      • Yes, you made a big error in not reminding her of that every day that you saw her fat ass.

        I’ve brinksmanshipped a relationship over fat before, and won slimness for it. She knew where the door was.

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      • I have no issue telling a woman I’m seeing that she’s gained weight. If she calls me an asshole, I just remind her that she’s a cunt if she thinks I’m going to take care of a diabetic stroke viction in my 70s versus a vivacious and energetic lover coming along for the ride.

        I can’t abide women gaining weight. There’s no need to, just eat healthier. If a gal I’m dating asks me if the other gals I’m dating are skinnier, the answer is always yes. And I’m not lying: only the ones who are starting to plump a tiny bit bother to ask that question.

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  34. on June 24, 2011 at 3:13 pm CORPORAL HICKS

    Women are very good at taking orders, but only from a man who gives them with strength and confidence.

    Do her a favor. Give her her benign, firm orders, and watch her go.

    She will thank you for it.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 3:27 pm Polichinello

      After seventh months? He’ll look ridiculous. He should cut his losses and go. Your advice will work with the next girl, assuming he doesn’t destroy his credibility with her too.

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  35. on June 24, 2011 at 3:24 pm Mr.Banana'z

    Girl admits she hates push over boy friend.I don’t get the hate toward this woman for not being attracted to her cowardly beta boyfriend. Of course hes the nicest guy in the world because hes a coward and thinks shes too good for him. Why in the world would any woman be attracted to that? If he cant stand up to her how is he gonna stand up to a man? Shit were all shallow and dont want to mate with poor genetic material, so dont really blame women for not being attracted to nice guys who treat them well.

    Treating them well and being nice is not enough. Need game and to be a man and women problems are done. All game really is, is teaching you how to not be a coward with women. Even though shes exploiting him instead of dumping him, this is how he will learn to not be a push over. Like Roissy stated it’s human instinct to prey on the weak. Solution: dont be weak and let them prey on you. I get equally pissed off at women who get mad at men for wanting young girls with big tits. OF course I dont want ur saggy tits, loose pussy, and leathery skin.

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  36. Well, I have a question that is related to this post. If someone addressed this already I apologize. If she changed her behavior (i.e. became more submissive and feminine), would it bring out alpha traits in him? Sometimes women have no idea how controlling they can be, but if she did a complete 180 with her behavior where she deferred to him and encouraged (not demanded) him to take charge, do you think he would catch on? Or is beta-ness something a man has to consciously ‘cure’ on his own? Thanks.

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    • Thailand was what began the cure for me. Girls there expect the man to take charge.

      There is no haggling about where to go out. She’ll just ask the guy “where are we going?” Then if she doesn’t like the decision, she’ll play female mind games, such as the passive aggressive “up to you” agreement that is a closeted disagreement. But at least the framework is that on outward appearances the man is leading. It’s not a democracy.

      As all girls in Thailand expect the man to lead, if a man dates many girls, he can’t help but slowly learn how to lead.

      So yes, a girl should be able to influence her beta to at least believe that it is he that is leading.

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      • Thanks for the reply. Hopefully, this will be easy for me as I am a naturally very submissive girl.

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  37. Honestly, I wonder is this really about the whole alpha/beta thing, or is it really about her not being physically attracted to him. I myself include physical appearances when it comes to male attractiveness. Their looks get their foot in the door so to speak (no not like THAT). It’s the first thing I notice.

    Anyway, maybe for the girl in question, it’s both.

    Although, for her to be with him for 7 months and only now acknowledge that she’s not attracted to him….hmmmm.

    “First, let’s get something straight. You haven’t been “seeing” a guy for seven months if you haven’t banged….”

    “Second, any man who tells a girl he loves her and wants to marry her AFTER SEVEN SEXLESS MONTHS is a leading candidate for beta of the year. Such a man wouldn’t know the first thing about how women work….”

    I wouldn’t say that….it depends. We don’t know whether it has to do with personal convictions and beliefs or something else entirely. Some people, males and females, take the abstinence route. For the guy, it doesn’t make him any less of a man. But that’s just me.

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  38. My girlfriend has at least two beta orbiters. She hangs out with them when I’m off fucking other girls. She cries a lot during those times, and they propose a lot. She really strings em along, to the point where they send her romantic lovey dovey text messages throughout the day.

    But when I found out she was doing more than crying on shoulders by doing some online flirting, while she was living with me, I briefly kicked her out of my apartment. Which led her to plan to run to the arms of one of her eager beta orbiters for support.

    Poor sap. Next time he called I just answered the phone. Then spent all night fucking my girl.

    He’s gotta be wondering why she’s with me. I’ve gotta be wondering why HE is with her!

    My girl is just doing her job as a woman. I don’t hold it against her. Though I do my best to keep her in line. After that last incident she’s been reigned in and has given up more of her self to me. Lately on top of telling her during sex to “say I love you”, I also tell her “say “you own me””.

    She’s giving up, giving in, and bonding more deeply. It’s getting serious how much I own her. Which has it’s negative points, as I have a date today, and she’ll again be freaking about my absence.

    Point of all this rambling is that this knowledge of female behavior is to be put to practical use, not to re-engineer females into being better than female. Good use means getting the girls bonded to you and dong your bidding and loving you and giving up.

    The beta orbiters are a low level threat. It’s the other assholes you’ve got to watch out for.

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    • @xsplat dong your bidding

      Xplain. Bidding your dong?

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    • OT kinda:

      I gotta ask…..

      Why don’t you just find a girl that wouldn’t mind being in an open relationship. To me it would be so much easier for you (as long as both parties do their part to take measures of birth control and protection). In fact, WHY even be in a relationship in the first place other than for having you cake and eating it too?

      I mean, you’re f*cking other girls, and all she did was flirt with someone else on line and you kicked her out. In an open relationship, a couple can see other people, no problem. Unless the problem is that you’re afriad she’ll dump you before you tire of her (marriage and lifelong LTR aren’t really encouraged here, but correct me if I’m wrong if you’re trying to really be with her). Hence the “keeping her in line part”.

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      • I can answer that: guys are built to have a double standard. The man can cheat but she can’t. This is part of evo bio because the guy would only want to care for resulting children if he was sure they were his. So he could mess with 20 women and care for all the resulting kids if he had a good idea that the whole harem was loyal to him. If a young woman wanted to be “equals” and have other boyfriends as well, she could do that but nobody would pay for her offspring and, soon, an alpha would stop paying any part of her rent or subsistence if he had been contributing any in the first place.

        In the very new world of DNA testing, the law can force a man to pay if the lottery says a child of a sexually active woman was his. But there was no way that was going to happen to a non-husband before 1992.

        Regarding looks: Men can get away with not being the best looking because beautiful young women are often narcissistic. He just needs to keep insisting she take her clothes off which is my main strategy that works. The women want to show off their bodies. Betas are desperately afraid to even ask, much less insist to women that they undress. 😉

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      • Renee, what would be my motivation to do as you said? Fairness?

        I lack any motivation for fairness.

        It should be obvious to you the many ways my needs are better met by an unfair situation. Chiefly, I get a woman in puppy dog love over me who does my bidding.

        In your scenario all I would get, at best, would be a fuck buddy.

        I think you lack both experience and the ability to see the world from the view of other peoples motivations. You are stuck in what would be good for you.

        Also, you lack knowledge of the female condition. Even though – and especially because – you are female. Women are both happiest and most miserable when in love. And they don’t feel love polyamorously. My girl cries sometimes, but is probably the happiest now that she’s ever been in her life. This dynamic is exactly what I want. Right now I have only her, and am mostly content, but eventually I’ll again have more, and be even mostlier content.

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  39. They aren’t dating so she’s talking about nothing.

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    • My ex girlfriend spent yesterday crying about an e-fling. Hasn’t even smelled the guy yet, but for her it’s all real.

      Women and soap operas. No concept of what is, or isn’t real.

      Some guys get women to fall in love over the internet. Marriage and babies ensue.

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      • Hey, it’s just like working at a spineless corporate job… style and posturing are “potential,” no one actually works (leave that to the unpopular people who get stuck with the responsibility and fired if results don’t happen). No wonder women like corporate jobs and corporate jobs suck so much.

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  40. on June 24, 2011 at 7:15 pm Chris from Dublin

    I suspect a troll.

    Email is just a bit too well written. That type of woman doesn’t have such a disciplined writing style.

    That type of writing style belongs to a fag.

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  41. on June 24, 2011 at 7:25 pm Emma the Emo

    Doesn’t sound like her intentions were bad… It must be much crappier to be the object of love of someone you don’t love, rather than the other way around.

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  42. Oh stop it men! I am woman and this is what I’ve learned about myself….

    I have a massive template for One Particular Type of Male.

    I am only attracted to men who have blue eyes and blonde hair. Body type and height mean nothing to me, although we probably all go with fitter people simply because we ourselves go to the gym and eat a certain way.

    I dated a green eyed guy with unusually smooth skin and it bothered me so much! Was he a bad guy? No. Was his skin homosexual man smooth? Yes. Did it bother me to the point of illogicalness? Yes!! Did his green eyes creep me out? YES! There was a very good looking brown-eyed guy who was just fantastic in every way. He asked me out, I said no. Why? Well, because I’m stupid and because of that darn template!! My logical brain kicks the hamster repetitively on that one (he had a hot body too L damn myself!)

    You can’t fight your genes trying to preserve themselves. And in a society where we are taught that “Everyone is Equal” then you get insulted for following your instincts. Well guess what? My genes say that everyone is not equal and that I am only attracted to a very specific man that mirrors my own ethnic traits. The end.

    So maybe that’s what’s REALLY going on with this girl. This guy is not a part of her genetic repertoire, yet society tells her that EVERY MAN should be part of her repertoire.

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    • Hello cat lady.

      – Green Eyed Guy

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      • Dude, I’m doing you a favor. I’ve gotten into the worst arguments of my life with Green Eyed Men.

        Why am I a bad person for realizing the genetic patterns to my relationships with people?

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      • I have a theory on my problems with green eyed men. Both men were Finnish and once Steve Sailer said that the Finns that came to the US were all communist leaning. So I’m thinking that my green eyed aversion is actually an aversion to that particular genetic tendency of that group of Nordics.

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      • There is something, maybe, to the theory that people end up with each other based on pheromone compatibility. I’d like to see the Chateau do a pheromone test review, kind of like Consumer Reports.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 7:47 pm Jonathan Blaze

      This is just retarded. Evolution dictates that men and women are attracted to people with different genes. Dark men prefer whiter skin, white dudes like women of color. Racial mixing leads to stronger genes.

      You are most likely sexually attracted to men with darker features. However your white pride complex is able to brainwash yourself into preferring Aryan types. You feel that this makes you better than white women who chase more swarthy men. That is all.

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      • on June 25, 2011 at 1:47 pm Emma the Emo

        Really? And I always thought people were mostly attracted to their own race. I know I am. This is one of the things that evolution says that I could never reconcile with reality.

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      • The secret to finding your SoulMate…and it is possible still in a multicultural society though rapidly dwindling….Is to find the person that is the closest to you genetically….Also Known As Someone Who is A Member of Your Tribe.

        You will have the same outlook on life, similar opinions, similar everything. You will have a deeper relationship because they will “get” you.

        Once I dropped all the “I’m not supposed to feel this way” bullshit that the media had taught me I started having really deeper relationships with people.

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 11:37 am Difference Maker

        He’s talking nonsense. We have our built in eugenics programs, but that’s just race mixing propaganda.

        If he’s going to bring up studies, well the study shows that people don’t like those too different from them

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    • You can only say no for as long as your dating market value allows you to.

      For women, age and the ravages of time very quickly decrease their dating market value, to the point that their ability to say no is taken away from them before they know it.

      So go on and say no to as many guys as you want. In ten years, maybe 5, they’ll probably have settled down with a woman who isn’t as dysfunctional as you, and you’ll be single saying yes to the dredges.

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      • Urgh…..

        You’re not listening. I am only attracted to a very specific type of male. Every guy I like looks Exactly The Same (and very similar to myself.)

        Any guy who does not look like that type, I feel no sexual feelings for AT ALL.

        Let’s put it this way….Say that girl was blonde and blue eyed and the guy buying her the flowers was asian.

        She’s not attracted to his body type because it’s HER GENES TALKING.

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      • Let me add one last thing…..since I’ve adopted my new policy of only pursuing relationships with men that meet the “template” requirements….

        My relationship success has gone through the roof, on every level. Because the guys that I’m attracted to (and bare a slight resemblance to) have the same template for girls like me.

        (Unfortunately I haven’t met the one yet due to unforseen sad circumanstances, but let me tell you I was really really close, so the method works.)

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      • I have blonde hair, blue eyes, and rough, freckled skin. Im stocky, muscular but not thin, and im mostly attracted to italian, Spanish, or black girls who are very thin.
        I have no idea why; I usually find blondes, redheads, or Nordic looking women boring and plasticky.

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      • Boring and plasticky are not physical traits.

        They are personality traits.

        (And boring just so happens to be the trait the media has placed upon us homogenous white people, whereas anything non-white is vibrant and wonderful.)

        So….my question to you is……What type of White Woman do you Find Physically Attractive? Maybe in your neighbhorhood you see them rarely and therefore don’t even know. If you rarely see a large variety of white women, then you probably don’t even know who you fit with. I didn’t know until I met an Afrikaaner and then everything fell into place for me.

        Either way, remember, if you ever at any point in your life realize that you are proud of your heritage and want your children to look, and act like yourself…..That feeling may not kick in till your 40s. So if you marry the wrong girl and have kids, and get that feeling You’re fucked because it’s too late.

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      • Italian you say? Elisabeta Canalis is single. Find someone like her 🙂 She’s flawless.

        Also, it would be interesting to see if you actually are part Italian or Spanish from a grandparent maybe. That could explain it.

        The stockiness/thin thing is interesting. But I think that’s more in your head than anything else. Most women aren’t stocky or muscular to begin with (and the ones that are shouldn’t be!)

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      • I hear blue eyed cats tend to go deaf. You’ll want to watch out for that.

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      • on June 25, 2011 at 12:20 am Blue eyed blond cat(/d)

        I have been around for a while and did not go deaf yet. At what age one should be concerned?

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      • Ok You know what….I give up…..I just read that Natalia Vodianova is leaving her husband and had taken up a lover.

        It’s over…Women are evil.

        I can’t believe she would do a thing like that 😦

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    • on June 25, 2011 at 9:23 am John Norman Howard

      Good for you, berg! I’m a man and feel the same way… have all my life… once when I was younger I met two girls at a mall… the brunette with the brown eyes was actually much cuter, according to magazine standards, than her blue-eyed blonde friend… but I only had eyes for the latter… to the point where the brown-eyed girl literally jumped between us as I was asking the blonde out… the brunette said something along the lines of a playful “What about me?” I was taken aback at the sudden aggressiveness and all I could do was reply “But she has blue eyes.” It was like someone cold-cocked her with a brick. My intention was not to be cruel, merely to tell the truth about my attraction. It was one of those “life-defining moments”, I guess… for both me and the brunette.

      Post-script: Although the blonde went out for a number of years, we wound up marrying other people… but 30 years later she looked me up and we’ve had a number of trysts over the past few years… and she never fails to mention that day at the mall.

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      • on June 25, 2011 at 9:25 am John Norman Howard

        Make that “although the blonde and I went out for a number of years….”

        (this site needs an edit feature)

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    • Berg,

      I see that I meet your template requirements for a blonde haired, blue eyed man. I am age 43 and live in Virginia. What state do you reside in?

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  43. To the people saying that this broad is really a nice girl cause she’s trying to change, I say, “who fucking cares?” Who cares what she’s trying to do? “Do or do not. There is no try.” Trying to get inside of some chick’s head and decide whether she’s really nice is a fool’s errand. If a girl wants companionship and affirmation and someone to listen to her, great. I want to get my dick wet. Why should I giver her everything that I want and get none of what I want? Cash, grass or ass. Nobody rides for free!

    The average beta male could still have a fairly decent love life for himself, even if he never learned game, if he would just learn two things: (1) Treat women like a black box. Don’t try to get inside their heads and figure them out. Respond to their actions and their actions only. (2) Treat women how they deserve to be treated. Don’t treat them how they ask to be treated. And don’t treat them how the quirky little indie movie in your head says they should be treated.

    Some guys can really get inside of a girl’s mind and play them like an instrument. For the average guy, though, KISS – keep it simple stupid. Failing to do either of those two things will earn you nothing but scorn.

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  44. on June 24, 2011 at 9:59 pm From the can

    Woman’s never-ending struggle of loins v learns. Roissy, you frequently recommend women settle, I don’t think that works for them or the settlee in the long run. In woman’s mind: Happy marriage > happy singleness > unhappy premarital singleness > divorce aka post marital unhappiness > unhappy marriage.

    I’ll budge on the position of divorce based on sex market options and legal settlement

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  45. My advice to the girl:
    He is just confused about what you really need. He seems eager to please, so lay it out for him. Tell him instead of flowers,fists. Instead of attentive, asshole. instead of worthy, worthless. Instead of bride, bitch.

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  46. A lot of traditional men are starting to get it. The Red Queen isn’t the only red pill, the Bible read at the end of one’s own finger has the same effect. You can even see hypergamy in clear view throughout the Book. King David, a high status alpha known for slaying beats, a giant, and hordes of Philistine warriors and other enemies, had hundreds of wives and concubines – heck, and they were portrayed as essentially rewards from God. The New Testament reiterated what the Old Testament said.

    Ephesians 5:22-23 says “22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.”

    1 Timothy 2:11-14 “11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.”

    1 Corinthians 11:2-3 “2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”

    That’s all New Testament.

    As Calvinism (a traditional Christian theology as opposed to the soft, girly effete Christianity that is/was so popular among Evangelicals) continues to grow like crazy among American Protestants, Calvinistic men are exclusively looking for obedient wives and exerting their natural power – believing it even sinful to share power with a woman. My friends and I love blogs like this and books and articles centered on Game. Patriarchy is making a huge comeback with the Protestants as well, Foreign Policy magazine wrote an article back in 2006 about how it’s growing because traditionalists and the religious are vastly outbreeding those who are not, and who practice abortion. The key is keeping your offspring out of government reeducation centers where they can be indoctrinated by feminism and the liberal agenda – hence the growth of home schooling and Christian schools. At any rate, I just wanted to say that Roissy, you have very many Christian fans and I expect that to grow, even if we disagree with your hedonistic outlook. I’m sure some feminist will see this and assume Christian men are asses, but, Christianity does not point domineering and being a jerk – it promotes masculine authority, nature, and when followed leaves everyone, including women, much more happy.

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  47. I feel somewhat warmly towards this young lady. She appears to be among the .05% of women who can consciously look at her true instinctive promptings straight in the eye. Lots and lots and lots of her sisters could not do that. Instead, they would simply lie to themselves( and everyone else) about how they really felt in order to more efficiently suck money and favors from the doomed-beta even before he had everything he had gathered sucked out of him before everything he has is harvested by marriage 2.0
    OTOH, She might go on to commit worse crimes with him. OR MAYBE she is really a nice girl who distains torture..

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    • True, usually they just do their stupid BS while telling themselves a solid fish story about how men suck and there aren’t any good ones available.

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  48. and women wonder why men act out in rage?

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  49. @berg

    “I have a theory on my problems with green eyed men. Both men were Finnish and once Steve Sailer said that the Finns that came to the US were all communist leaning.”

    Nonsense, It is true that Finland has a largish minority of Communists
    (the political party is “Folkdemokraterna” or something else in Finnish,
    the “People’s Democrats”.) But they are a minority nevertheless, and
    underrepresented in the Suecophone slice of the population. This goes
    back to the civil war in Russia during revolutionary times.
    The non-communist Finlanders are often very strongly anti-communist.

    It should be easy to find out which type of Finlander you are dealing
    with. You might even simply ask.
    (Note: Finlander = any citizen of the Republic of Finland, Finn =
    Fennophone ditto).

    AS to blue-eyed and deafness, this applies strictly to cats, not people.

    And if you are genetically programmed to preserve the genotype,
    that’s just fine. If you were other than white, it might be
    considered normal. The “non-racism” requirement applies to
    whites only. Feel free to ignore it. I am a widower who fits
    your profile, by the way. Note my handle!

    Best

    Thor

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    • “A lot of the Finnish Communists who subsequently lost the Finnish civil war of 1918 to von Mannerheim fled to America”

      http://isteve.blogspot.com/2010/12/isteve-finnish-content.html

      I’d be very curious to know the heritage of both of the green eyed American-Finnish guys that I got into enraged arguments with while dating (practically the same argument with both.) Neither was communist obviously, but they both had something odd going on related to Nordic hyper-individualistic traits or something? And one looked exactly like Earl Warren *shudder* Coincidence or genetics?

      It’s time to break out the silver hammer Thor necklaces 🙂

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      • Once I went out drinking with a group of super hot college cheerleaders. One girl was blonde and blue eyed, and she got drunk and started rambling about her boyfriend. She said “I love him, but his eyes are brown!! Everyone in my family has blue eyes and I want my children to look like me. I don’t know what to do.”

        I told her that it was perfectly normal to feel like that. I did not say anything bad about the bf.

        The fact that I feel this way, the fact that a super hot college cheerleader felt this way…..means that deep down inside there are a lot of women with men who are not fitting a genetic blueprint and there are probably quite a few relationship troubles resulting from this Mental Dissodence.

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      • I hope you get her more drunk, made sure she knew you had blue eyes and got busier from there.

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  50. “‘And the Orangs, Gorillas, Chimps and unsuited people separated out
    into these groups! What self-respecting gorilla wants to sit
    among chimps?’

    Seriously? Citation PLEASE. Wanna know.”

    The woman I later married, in private conversation
    with Larry Hagman. She is no longer with us.
    Sorry. You would have to find some other
    corroboration.

    Thor

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  51. She isn’t over the ex. She says it clearly in the first paragraph. She only waited four months after a breakup with a man she was “madly in love with”, and jumped into another relationship. It has nothing to do with “body type” or any other excuse she can use, he’s just a distraction from the broken heart she doesn’t want to think about. Anybody want to wager the first guy was an alpha and he dumped her?

    It’s just a rebound.

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  52. Nice that Roissy gets mentioned 8 times in the comments. Might help a few more guys to see the light.

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  53. Well, A.B. I do what I can to help out any roissy fan. And if good wedding photos is what you need…then just hightail it up to Minn, and we’ll head to the wedding chapel at the Mall of America. With me, it’s class all the way…

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  54. @berg
    “I’d be very curious to know the heritage of both of the green eyed American-Finnish guys that I got into enraged arguments with while dating (practically the same argument with both.) Neither was communist obviously, but they both had something odd going on related to Nordic hyper-individualistic traits or something? And one looked exactly like Earl Warren *shudder* Coincidence or genetics?

    It’s time to break out the silver hammer Thor necklaces :)”

    OK, but hyper-individualistic does not seem like Communist,
    rather the opposite. Maybe I am missing something. Could
    you explain?

    And am OK with the silver hammer – I have seen such – but
    I do not carry religious insignia of any kind. But if I did,
    it would be the hammer.

    Your link would refer to people of Finnish descent whose
    ancestors came to the US around 1918. I was thinking
    in terms of Finnish people a little more fresh off the boat.

    As a curio, Sweden conquered Finland in the 12th
    century. (At the time, Sweden was a country in almost
    a modern sense, whereas Finland had little or no structure,
    so conquering was easy. The Swedes called these
    escapades “crusades”, alternatively “missions- och
    härjningståg” (campaigns of mission and ravage, this
    is NOT a joke). Sweden lost Finland to Russia in 1809.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Fredrikshamn

    Thor

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    • Thor
      @berg
      “I’d be very curious to know the heritage of both of the green eyed American-Finnish guys”

      Me too. Since I thought the Aryan look was blond/blue.

      “I was thinking in terms of Finnish people a little more fresh off the boat”

      Half my peeps got “off the boat” in 1840 from Wales. The other half got off the land bridge around 10,000 years ago. I guess my green eyes come from the English.

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      • @Berg Hyper-Individualistic meaning that the communist Finns were communist probably just to be pain in the asses to the other Finns. They wanted to do things differently then they had been done for centuries. For the sole sake of the difference, not cuz it would actually work.

        Wouldn’t it make sense though that the more ethnocentric among us would be able to sniff out differences even among Nordic sub-groups?

        And assuming that to be true, then it would make sense that women with this sixth sense would in their younger years make mistakes by dating men outside their ‘tribe’ on accident before figuring it all out. Or if you got caught in a marriage there would be an underlying passive aggresiveness that could later show?

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      • Blond/blue is Nordic.

        Aryan, if they existed, is black hair, blue eyes, extremely pale white skin.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 11:33 am Difference Maker

        The iranian sarmatians are described as tall and blond

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  55. This post and letter are pure gold. I think I’m gonna spread this around.

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  56. Look, enough of the “nice guys are manipulative ” garbage. She’s the user, not him. He’s a dummy who’s being taken for a ride. She’s left him introduce her to his family and talk of marriage? Who’s the puppet here?

    To see usually wise posters such as Xsplat white-Knight this unpleasant “lady” is disgusting. We can take advantage of such female behaviour, but there’s no need to glorify it.

    The other sad thing is that if you pointed this out to the msn, or referred him to this blog, he would reject the truth.

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    • Eww, bastard wants commitment– how manipulative can you get? (Um, ladies?)

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    • I’m a bit too tired to give a proper reply, but I can see that it would be easy to missread the mood of my post.

      I said I was blaming the victim. Meaning that he is a victim. I’m blaming him because he made himself a victim.

      The girl was just being a girl. Do you want to blame girls for being female?

      If so, you are just setting yourself up to be a victim.

      Don’t go around looking for good girls. Assume they are all just like this one. Don’t be surprised when girls act that way. It’s what they do. Men need to do their best to arrange the situation such that they don’t get burnt.

      It’s OUR responsibility, not theirs.

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      • “Don’t go around looking for good girls. Assume they are all just like this one. Don’t be surprised when girls act that way. It’s what they do. Men need to do their best to arrange the situation such that they don’t get burnt.
        It’s OUR responsibility, not theirs.”

        Pure gold.

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  57. ‘Nice guys’ can be deceptive! It’s the deeply embedded gentleman thing.

    I was going out with what seemed like the perfect gentleman. I thought ‘he is too good to be true’.

    Until I found out he was still seeing his ex-girlfriend.

    So….sometimes the nice guy can be an act. Perhaps he is the cleverest of them all.

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    • It’s called “Vulnerability Game”. It’s deadly effective.

      That guy blew it because you found out about the other woman. Sloppiness on his part.

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  58. “Men need to do their best to arrange the situation such that they don’t get burnt.”

    No one can disagree with that. But bad female behaviour would be a lot less common if people didnt shrug their shoulders and say ” Girls will be girls”. If there were social costs, many women would suddenly decide that jerks were less attractive.

    I’m a lesser alpha, and I use the jerk strategy. It works. But like nuclear weapons. Its a shame to have to use it. And society is screwed in the long run because of this.

    We’re facing a world of cat ladies and George Sodinis

    Fifty years ago most women controlled their longings to ditch their beta suitors and husbands for the town bad boy because they faced social vilification if they did

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    • I disagree that your approach is of practical use, and am telling you that it causes you personal harm. You are wasting energy trying to create utopia, instead of working with the actual world.

      Just go through the stages of grief and stop trying to perfect women. They are flawed. End of story.

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    • Like Brief Encouter.

      What a magnificent film. It was all about what wasn’t said.

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  59. What amazes me even more is the huge antagonism (towards the guy) in some of the top-rated comments there:
    “Would you buy a shirt you thought was ugly? Would you eat food that you thought was repulsive? Do you often attempt to complicate your life by making decisions that are illogical?

    WTF. 7 MONTHS? SERIOUSLY. That is WAY too long to be wearing a shirt you hate. Or dating a guy YOU ARE COMPLETELY UNATTRACTED TO. ”
    Yep, nice guys, this is what girls think of you – an ugly shirt. Where’s Oprah and her little whiny “I really want a nice guy but can’t find any” bitches now?

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    • Nice guys must all go through the stages of grief. If you are still angry at women for acting like women, it means you don’t yet understand women.

      You can’t grok something until you fully accept it.

      It’s not laying down and giving up the fight to accept something. Acceptance is the first step of then being able to act. Because if you are living in utopia, and trying to correct the world whenever it fails to match your vision, each action you take will be inefficient or ineffective.

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    • on June 28, 2011 at 11:48 am Difference Maker

      Would you put up with an ugly girl?

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  60. on June 25, 2011 at 1:31 pm Ricardo di Matteo

    Here’s a link to an interview with Alan Roger Currie, who explains (among other things) why nice guys are manipulative.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=843449346190665801#

    [Editor: I disagree with Currie. Women often use the manipulative niceguy accusation to rationalize their dislike for weak betas. Feminists tryng to prove a point are especially prone to this. No, niceguys really are nicer than aloof assholes. And alpha males are usually much more manipulative than betas. Why? Because they can be.]

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    • True that, editor. Once the nice guy enters a social interaction, he can be labeled manipulative. Even if he doesn’t, he’s just being deviously manipulative. He asks for sex–manipulative. He doesn’t ask for sex–he’s withholding it–deviously manipulative. Etc., etc,. etc.

      Manipulative if he does, manipulative if he doesn’t. Femlogic: beta = manipulative.

      Aren’t rationalizations grand?

      Funny thing, the rationalizations aren’t just a domain of women, I see it manifest often on the left side of political spectrum. Cognitive dissonance (holding two contradictory concepts at the same time without any mental discomfort), utopian mind set (indulging in fantasies rather than confronting reality), faulty logic (unawareness that faulty premises result in a faulty conclusion), and so on.

      Do liberals generally have a women’s brain wiring?

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      • on June 26, 2011 at 4:22 am Ricardo di Matteo

        Cadnerd, I’m not from the left side of the political spectrum. Nothing could be further from the truth. Feel free to criticize an opinion of mine, but don’t invent stuff that I did not say.

        I still think that Currie has a point. If a dude does ‘nice’ things for a chick whilst pretending that he doesn’t want to have sex with her, he’s being manipulative.

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      • Ricardo, the note about lefties was apropos, had nothing to do with you. Not sure why you assumed you were the target.

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      • on June 26, 2011 at 6:27 am Ricardo di Matteo

        Hi Cadnerd

        Glad the lefty thing wasn’t directed at me. Thanks for clarifying.

        On the nice guy / manipulative / rationalization point: I’ve never heard a woman accuse nice guys of being manipulative. It’s normally along the lines of ‘He’s really nice, but … ‘

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      • The rationalization, commences afterwards, usually amongst peers. You can also see it often manifesting on blog entries–whenever the girl can’t find any apparent fault with the hapless beta, the “manipulative” would work for her as plausible “reason”.

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      • on June 26, 2011 at 4:25 am Ricardo di Matteo

        Our humble narrator suggests that women need to rationalize their dislike for weak betas. I understood that the whole premise of this blog was that female dislike of weak betas is perfectly rational and thus does not need to be ‘rationalized’.

        [Editor: Rational and rationalizing are two different concepts. Of course women have a rational dislike for weak betas, but they aren’t aware of those rational reasons, and even when they are aware on some subconscious level, they can’t admit it to themselves or others. Thus, the rationalizing hamster steps in to paint a coat of glitter on the ugly truth. When women say that niceguys are manipulative, they are just finding a socially acceptable PC explanation to describe their real feelings, which is disgust for the softness, effeteness, accomodationist and magnanimous bahavior and temperament of betas.
        Now some niceguys may very well be manipulative, but they are far fewer in number and in manipulative intesity than alpha males, who get their way being some of the biggest pricks imaginable to women. For an example of the differences in kind and degree between beta and alpha male manipulation of women, see: ‘In the company of men’.]

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      • Rational: “We girls are wired to go for alphas.”
        Irrational: “I don’t know… you’re way too nice, LJBF”.
        Rationalization: “I don’t like to have sex with him, because in being so nice, he’s manipulative.”

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      • I thought it was usually other guys, when training betas to be more direct, who point out that being nice could be viewed as just another form of manipulation.

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      • That is because it is a common knowledge that girls use that notion as their rationalization card, not because the trainers are empathic.

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      • But if they were conscious manipulators, they would do what works. Thus, it’s best to leave the adjective manipulating out and replace it with clueless. A rational woman would say the man had been clueless with her, not manipulative. She would have been attracted to a real manipulator.

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      • “could be viewed” is a good way to put it. Some people are creative and adaptive; avoiding conflict and pleasing everyone comes naturally to them. Other people are natural helpers, care givers and protectors. It may not be because they are trying to get something. It’s upsetting to say that nice people are being manipulative when they start wondering how to get their own needs met and weighing what they’ve done for others against what others do.

        It’s really the feminist majority who has to take the “nice guys are manipulative” meme and run the hardest with it. It’s the best way to dismiss the fact that all women crave a dominant man who will jerk them around – it’s just the degree that varies from woman to woman.

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      • But Currie, who should come back and start posting more, was basically saying that betas will be too indirect. He defines indirectness as manipulative. White Knighters would also be “manipulative” because they’re not directly telling women they want sex in return for agreeing with the women or for putting other men down.

        I agree with Currie’s Mode One strategy of being direct with women, which he defines as “non-manipulative”.

        His chapter six deals with women who act like the “Wholesome Pretender”, saying they’ll eat men alive who play to them like the woman really is wholesome. He’s saying that a man who wants sex is being “manipulative” if he plays to a Wholesome Pretender like he doesn’t want sex. And he’d be making a mistake and missing out.

        He writes “Be up front with your interests”. His best reference is to the idea that, if you want to borrow a thousand dollars from a friend, just ask instead of trying to butter them up and do nice things for them and then get all bitter when the friend says no to the loan request.

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 11:53 am Difference Maker

        Guestopher:
        Some people are creative and adaptive; avoiding conflict and pleasing everyone comes naturally to them. Other people are natural helpers, care givers and protectors

        All well and good, I have my reservations about the masculinity of such, just don’t turn around expecting sex and you won’t come across creepy, pathetic and repulsive

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      • If female dislike of “weak” betas (any male who is not in the top 10% desirability bracket) is perfectly rational, then safe societies, industrialization, peacetime, science, clean water, sewage treatment, food, families, happy children, and art are all completely irrational. All of these things are built by these “weak betas”.

        Women are not naturally repulsed by a beta until they have lived in a society that has spoiled them into being awful people with no values or morals. A society that has validated their urge to chase the tingle at the cost of a healthy society.

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      • Are you implying that guys who are good with women don’t contribute economically?

        This picture you have of the betas being the secret Peter Parker underwear heroes of society strikes me as nothing but a big web of bias to make you feel better about your own personal social position.

        When in fact women are attracted guys who contribute to the economy – they are attracted to wealth, power, and influence – and you don’t usually get that from being on the sidelines.

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      • Are you implying that guys who are good with women don’t contribute economically?

        This picture you have of the betas being the secret Peter Parker underwear heroes of society strikes me as nothing but a big web of bias to make you feel better about your own personal social position.

        When in fact women are attracted guys who contribute to the economy – they are attracted to wealth, power, and influence – and you don’t usually get that from being on the sidelines.

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      • on June 27, 2011 at 2:01 pm Ricardo di Matteo

        My thanks to our narrator for the response. I believe the concept is known as ‘ex-post-facto rationalization’. And, yes, it probably (nay certainly) does happen in this kind of scenario.

        I’ll also concede the point that the alpha dudes can and do manipulate women very successfully. This doesn’t mean that the nice guys aren’t being manipulative. They are. They just suck at it.

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  61. on June 25, 2011 at 2:08 pm sur la lune

    Your vitriol is misplaced, CR, and shows an unusual misunderstanding of the female psyche. It’s true this guy’s a pathetic beta and rationally she’s a bitch for leading him on, but her hamster’s moral compass has good intentions. She’s *praying* she’ll learn to want his cock because he’s the “right” kind of guy, not the alpha she still pines for. With him, in theory, she can be safe, secure and preggos. Women want this so badly they will suffer (they both are and should break up) for months waiting for the spark. Ie, she is a beta female, but don’t hate her for it.

    [Editor: Didn’t you read the post? I don’t hate her for taking advantage of the clingy beta. If I were her, I’d do the same. It’s like hating a man for turning down a fat chick friend for sex.]

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  62. @Vivi

    “I was going out with what seemed like the perfect gentleman. I thought ‘he is too good to be true’.

    Until I found out he was still seeing his ex-girlfriend. ”

    Was he this. “A typical nice guy is perceived to put the needs of others before his own, avoids confrontations, does favors, gives emotional support, and generally acts nicely towards women.” Excluding the cheating.

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    • @thesecond

      Yes! A deeply embedded chivalrous gentleman and total mummy’s boy. He was all things sweet, pursued me like a gentleman, great company, funny, easy going manner, adored by my friends, very thoughtful on dates….I didn’t call on him for emotional support though, so that was yet to be tested.

      I was totally falling for him until I found out about him and his ex. I dunno if he’s not got the guts to break up with her or just distracting himself with me. Either way, I havent told him I know…just going to act normal and let him work it out.

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  63. Niceguys aren’t perfect, but they are usually very nice, especially to a woman they care about. Aloof alphas are often self centered jerks, but if you take them for what they are and don’t count on them for anything they lose a lot of their ability to manipulate.

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    • “Niceguys aren’t perfect, but they are usually very nice, especially to a woman they care about”

      These are the guys dumped, passed over, told no, divorced, walked out on, etc.

      “Aloof alphas are often self centered jerks”

      And these are the ones women will toss the nice guy over for. Repeatedly.

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  64. Off-topic, but…

    “New York marriage bill paves way for same-sex divorce,” Reuters, 25 Jun 2011
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110625/us_nm/us_gaymarriage_new_york_divorce

    Haha, suckers… enjoy.

    “I want half, you bitch!”

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  65. Sur la lune

    It’s true this guy’s a pathetic beta and rationally she’s a bitch for leading him on, but her hamster’s moral compass has good intentions. She’s *praying* she’ll learn to want his cock because he’s the “right” kind of guy, not the alpha she still pines for.

    That’s a good understanding.

    I think many guys here used to be that guy who was alone at home while his love interest was fucking the bad boy. Or the guy whose unrequited love was et with a long drawn out fruitless dating. We were filled with love and had no possibility of being “bad”. We were way into the girl, and that was that – and why wasn’t that enough?

    Something happened to us men that changed who we are. I don’t know how you can get there from here. Back then the situation was hopeless and no advice worked. I was often told to back off and not show so much passion. But that wasn’t quite it – and it was impossible to put into practice for me and my fiery personality style anyway.

    What happened was learning a fundamental disrespect for women. That’s not accurate, but I must use that word for now, in order that others may get here from there. Life experiences led me to know more about the nature of women, and after more and more experience, I no longer expected them to be other than they are. I learned how we have competing sexual strategies, how the word love is used differently by men and women, how we don’t even love the same things in each other, or in the same way. I learned of all the nasty habits and behaviors and crazy thought processes women use to their strange selfish ends.

    Women fell off the pedestal, and instead of becoming something to cherish and meld with, became a useful tool in my life. I approach them pragmatically, not from the view of if she fits into my utopian vision. Each girl has her own ways she can help my life.

    At the same time I’m still intensely romantic – especially during sex – and I’ve retained my original intensity of personality. The fiery passion never had to become boxed in in order to “run game”. I just had to learn what it was that I was gaming. To grok the object of my devotion, until devotion was no longer the issue.

    The guys who are angry at this girl for stringing along a guy for 7 months and taking all his affection in return for blue balls don’t yet understand women. You want women to be something they are not.

    You have to go through all the stages of grief. Anger is a sign that you don’t yet know the enemy – you don’t know what you are dealing with. Get to acceptance – get all the way to acceptance.

    Then use the women – use them for sex and love and cleaning your house.

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    • Beautifully explained.

      xsplat: In this post’s various comments, you have also given your past background of when the light clicked on for you – in Thailand and how you started on this self-discovery. I guess, now your attitude makes a lot of sense to me, even though for last several months I didnt understand your approach to life.

      Sincere thanks for helping another guy understand this better.

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    • “Then use the women – use them for sex and cleaning your house”

      Nuff said right there.

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  66. My best friend in high school married one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. He loved her dearly. He was a good husband and a good provider. After about five years she left him for a total asshole. A crook and liar and asshole since the the age of ten who lived down the street from me. I knew him well and hated him. He was a motorcycle alpha male. He got the girl but he was still an asshole.

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    • This needn’t have happened if your friend knew what it was he was loving.

      Instead he loved his utopian vision.

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      • Yes you are right, people fall in love with their own dreams.

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      • That is why you should pity those men who pedestalize women: Often the first glimpse they see of their wife’s true nature is when the divorce lawyer comes a calling.

        There are also the wilfully blind: I have a beta friend who’s whipped by his 3 of a girlfriend, who’s almost certainly cuckolded him as well. I told him about this site, and he told me that the advice was misogynistic and sad. He’s an idiot.

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      • Ya, my latest blog post agreed that men whose sexual strategy is lifetime monogamy often broadsided with an unexpected divorce, because it never occured to them that women have a dual mating strategy, while they are only supporting one aspect of that.

        As for pity, it’s difficult to feel pity for the willfully ignorant. I suppose I “should” feel pity for guys just learning about the dating scene. I don’t seem to though. We’ve all experienced the depths of hell many times, I think. Is it avoidable?

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    • @ken

      The woman is stupid and immature.

      She will get bored of the motorcyle loser.

      I hope it doesn’t change your friend.

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      • “The woman is stupid and immature

        She will get bored of the motorcyle loser.

        I hope it doesn’t change your friend.”

        Um, if you really believe the first two sentences, the last one is odd. Wouldn’t you hope it does, for his sake?

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      • No, I don’t want men to change to become less of a gentleman.

        I want women to wise up to the fact that appeal of adrenaline losers will fade and you’ll eventually want the responsible husband back.

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  67. on June 25, 2011 at 8:54 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    zlozozlzlzzo

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  68. Maybe he got the girl because he was an asshole.

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  69. Gay marriage could be a boon to divorced males.

    Domestic violence charges against both gay male parents? Kids instantly taken by CPS or what? In the current he said she said environment where what she said is always true, same sex couples are going to hopefully bring the discrimination to light.

    Does a lesbian in a marriage have rights to the children that aren’t biologically hers because of the marriage? According to laws that force men to support children that aren’t their own, yes. So a single mother will be given access to all children created for the duration of their marriage.

    Somewhere a male NY senator that got fucked by family court systems is pressing his fingertips together and saying under his breath, “Excellent…”

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    • “Somewhere a male NY senator that got fucked by family court systems is pressing his fingertips together and saying under his breath, “Excellent…”

      YES. YES. YES,

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      • Hey, like I said earlier: I want half, you bitch!

        Along with societal recognition comes societal responsibilities… and divorce rape w/o K-Y in court.

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  70. Xsplat — no the guy would have still lost the girl to the motorcycle a-hole. Most guys cannot be the dominant, Alpha A-hole that makes women aroused. There’s always going to be a bigger, more dominant, more criminal, more violent guy around. And women respond to it. Not all women, but nearly all, and nearly all the time.

    Its dangerous. There was that NYT article about the Park Slope divorcee who found all her female friends ostracized her because … [they feared man-poaching, and beta male providers may be sexless but are all that separates their kids from daily beatings by Black/Hispanic underclass in public schools and pricey private schools in Brooklyn.]

    The guy could have got Game, and still would have lost his wife to a total A-hole. No guy even the most Game-efficient can keep a woman when there is a bigger A-hole around. Which is why investment in marriage and children is not sustainable when female hypergamy runs riot. Its why the Park Slope divorcee was ostracized.

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  71. I really look forward to these posts and even more so the comments from A. B. Dada, xsplat, Gorbachev, whiskey, walawala, sidewinder … to name a few.

    I wish some of these men would do guest posts here.

    Carry on the good work of enlightening us who have been tooled for too long. It is appreciated.

    Cheers!

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  72. What the owner and readers of this site call “game” was conventional wisdom for centuries in the Western civilization, in the pre-feminist era. Among the many classic examples, one of the best is Shakespeare’s “The Taming of the Shrew”.

    Well, many, many gems of truth can be found in that fine piece of writing. But among the most interesting ones is the role reversing by the end of the play, when Kate, the former shrew, becomes a sweet, submissive wife, and Bianca, the former sweet, submissive wife is on the point of becoming a shrew. Because in the last scene, it’s Kate who obeys her husband’s demand, while Bianca refuses to listen. That’s because Kate has met a man who knows his role as a man and his “game”, and Bianca has met a weak, “beta” man whom probably she already despises. That spectacular change is a vivid, concise explanation of the power men can have over women (not the other way around), if they just their use their mental focus and abilities.

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  73. The reason why girls hate nice guys is explained very nicely in this scene from “Let the Game Begin”—clearly taken from “The Game”…

    Fast forward to 5;34 to see the pick up scene. The pua buddy and his “nice guy” married friend meet a couple of babes.

    What the “nice guy” blow it…buys the girl a drink starting from 5;56

    She takes the drink and walks off….earlier on, the hot waitress comes by and the pua friend negs her.

    The “nice guy” friend say he’s being “rude”….

    Throughout this movie, the pua explains all the game principles….

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  74. AB Dada —

    I’ve come up with what may very well be one of the best Game ideas for a smartphone app, and have the cash to involve a programmer.

    I smell a rat, especially because you’ve stated on your own blog that you don’t have the “budget” even to afford cable television without scrimping on other necessities:
    http://politics.unanimocracy.com/government/theyve-taken-away-my-freedom-to-say-no/

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    • Why would I spend $1200-$1500 a year for cable TV when the following are all available to me:

      1. Bars with cable TV (involves fresh women)
      2. Friends with cable TV (involves the buddies)
      3. Netflix on rare occasions ($7 or so a month)

      I travel, often, and wouldn’t even know what to do with a cable bill.

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  75. More annoying that ‘Nice Guys’ are Mummy’s Boys.

    Seriously, get over it and man the fuck up.

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    • on June 26, 2011 at 6:47 pm DiamondEyes

      why don’t you woman up, and get your narrow little ass into the kitchen to cook somebody something, instead of lurking around a game blog for men!

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    • nothing wrong with being a mummysboy, the mother is a totally unique once in a lifetime relation. Every hoe can take your penis and your money, but only one gave birth to you. Fancy that concept eh, devoting time, love and resources to someone who you might actually owe something.

      Whats a guy supposed to be, a wifeysboy?

      choosing mummy everyday.

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      • That’s an odd comment.

        You’re supposed to be your own man.

        And you are supposed to create a new family, and have a greater allegience to your new mate than to your mother.

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      • not really an odd comment

        Everything you say is nice in practice, but even doing as you say is no defence against being screwed over, many men see through experience that this “allegiance” you speak of is not returned in kind and not deserved by the majority.

        The fact remains:

        I can find plenty of women attractive

        I can impregnate plenty of them

        I can father plenty of children

        I only have one mother.

        Lets put things in perspective here. No need for the mommy hate. Women need not worry about my 1 mother who i love dearly non-romanticly, you should fear every other half attractive non-related woman who is acting right.

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      • By Mummy’s Boy, I meant guy with overbearing mother, who can’t make decisions for himself.

        Of course every man should love and respect his mother. That’s not being a Mummy’s Boy, that’s just a good son.

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  76. O/T but well written piece about the battle against the main stream media:

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/2011/06/24/mainstream-acceptance-is-for-losers/

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  77. “I disagree that your approach is of practical use, and am telling you that it causes you personal harm. You are wasting energy trying to create utopia, instead of working with the actual world.

    Just go through the stages of grief and stop trying to perfect women. They are flawed. End of story.”

    Agreed.

    The only way anything will possiblychange is western men abandoning marriage en masse.

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  78. […] Heartiste – “An Alpha Male and His Women“, “A Father’s Question“, “The Pedophile Libel“, “Is Female Careerism a Form of Infidelity?“, “Girl Admits She Loathes Niceguy “Boyfriend”” […]

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  79. on June 27, 2011 at 12:27 pm Random Paleocon

    OK, this “relationship” is probably not salvageable, which is probably good for both parties, but here goes…

    My advice to the girl who wrote the email:

    The right thing to do is just go away. Stringing this guy along is cruel, even if he deserves it. Just remember, though, that your SMV isn’t nearly as high as you believe it to be; otherwise, a man who makes you tingle in the right places would’ve swept you away long ago.

    My advice to the beta protagonist:

    Grow a pair. You’ve got one chance left to save this relationship on which you’ve wasted seven months. A woman isn’t going to want or respect a man who takes her out, but doesn’t fuck her. You’ve got to give it one last try: Take her out, booze a little, mentally undress her, get her back to wherever you’re going, your place or hers. Kiss her intently for a while, then start to work her ass, legs, and tits. Don’t ask for permission, or have a discussion about “do you want finally have sex tonight.” Let her feel your hard-on against her leg. Unbutton her shirt, gently rub the outside of her bra, then increase the pressure. Take it off; suck her tits. While you’re sucking, move your hand down to her crotch and rub with long, gentle strokes. If she acquiesces, then unbutton her pants, or, if she’s wearing a skirt or dress, go underneath it, and rub her panties. Put her hand on your cock. By this time, you can judge whether or not the time is right to slide her panties down, and fuck her vigorously in the missionary position.

    Remember, you are in control of the situation. The attitude is that she is yours, and you are going to fuck her hard. Now, I’m not saying rape her-if she pushes you away insistently, or says, STOP, just get up and leave. Call her a cock tease and walk out. Give no more thought to her; find someone younger, hotter, and tighter ASAP. You need to follow this path for your self-respect.

    This may change the dynamic in the relationship sufficiently that you gain hand, and can go on to be a normal couple; if not, at least you’ll be out of her soul-destroying clutches. You’ll then need to work on your game, and get laid quickly with some eye candy; remember, you’re not going to fall in love with this girl, and being your “type” may even be a disqualification for slump-breaker material.

    Good luck.

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    • on June 27, 2011 at 2:08 pm Ricardo di Matteo

      Good comment from Random Paleocon. I would tweak the advice to the dude in this scenario as follows:

      It’s far too late for our friend to change the record now that he’s in LJBF land. Go for a younger/hotter chick FIRST and make sure the LJBF knows about it. This will make the first half of RP’s advice easier to execute.

      Then again, if our friend snares a younger/hotter chick, this removes the need to get back with the LJBF (unless the LJBF ticks a number of LTR boxes outside of looks).

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    • “By this time, you can judge whether or not the time is right to slide her panties down, and fuck her vigorously in the missionary position.”

      Tap her like a pony keg at a frat party. Bang her ass so hard you’d lose your deposit.

      Oh, and do it doggy style. She hasn’t earned the right to look at you.

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    • So I’ve been with a great guy who seduces me right up until the point we’re in the missionary position. He’s inside me for up to 30 seconds and then, HE LOSES HIS ERECTION.

      WTF is with that?! It’s happened twice now. It’s frustrating up to the point I want to throttle him and tell him to get on with it.

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      • “He’s inside me for up to 30 seconds and then, HE LOSES HIS ERECTION. WTF is with that?!”

        It’s you, aka – “Boner Killer”. He’s just not that into you.

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  80. Has this blog been censored in Germany yet? In Mala Fide (In Bad Faith) has just learned that it’s now considered an extremist site apparently:

    http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/06/27/in-mala-fide-censored-in-germany/

    That may be a step up from the “first they ignore you” stage.

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  81. Rule #1 (for MEN): treat yourself w/ respect.

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  82. CNN: Women finally realize feminism has failed

    The best part is at the end when Dobbs and the chick are confused by the reports findings. Enjoy.

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    • I’d have loved to hear them say the real reason.

      Because women are fundamentally not happy leading. Like a puppy dog, they are happiest when led, and need someone to tame them and to fetch things for.

      Women aren’t as happy because they are overly ambitious. Talk of “expectations” made me want to puke. It’s their own greed that is the issue – not any outside imposed “expectations”. Women got greedy for power, and when they actually get it, it makes them unhappy.

      Women want the exact thing that makes them unhappy; the ability to choose.

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    • on June 28, 2011 at 4:04 am Ricardo di Matteo

      Not sure if that news item proves that women realize that feminism has failed. The conclusion to this study will express the need for more feminism, better feminism, purer feminism.

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      • Ricardo, the road to hell is paved with “good” intentions. If they really get that purer form through, their grand-grandchildren would live in caves. Unfortunately, ours too.

        But I see signs that some young women are starting to reject feminism. It’s not yet manifesting as a trend, but even with their eternal hamsters, they see that things don’t add up and not worky.

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      • Ricardo is correct. “The conclusion to this study will express the need for more feminism, better feminism, purer feminism”

        No different than democrats- aka “progressives”/communists/fascists.
        The fact that it’s never worked anywhere it’s ever been tried doesn’t seem to deter them. “But our way is newer/better. We didn’t have OUR people running it”.

        It’s called doubling down on stupidity.

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 9:28 am Ricardo di Matteo

        This charming young lady is an oasis in the desert of nonsense.

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    • See ‘Paradox of Choice’ lecture by Barry Schwartz. It is true for both men and women in the west – more choice = more regret, perfectionism, higher expectations = malcontent.

      Women tend to have more idealist, perfectionist views, more neurotic as a gender.

      It did not take a study to reveal this.

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  83. Louis CK nails the AFC with frightening accuracy….

    This would be one of the reasons a girl would start to loathe a guy…

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    • I didn’t think that clip was funny unless it was produced by males, who themselves do better than this, in order to show the guy as a chump who makes a big deal out of a normal situation. Even then, it wouldn’t be funny outside the US market and I don’t want to see this kind of stuff syndicated in foreign countries like Californication is now being syndicated.

      He’s a decade younger than I am and she’s about 6 years too old for me. A 42 year old male should have 26 year olds lining up around the block even in the US. I can’t tell if the producers of that clip were joking about an age difference they knew was normal or whether they, being possibly older females, wanted to use “humor” to disparage older men (I haven’t seen the TV series if that is what it is from).

      That 26 year old is about to hit the wall in the US and would have already hit the wall in Russia or EE. He OTOH could lose some weight, hit the gym and date women younger than her for the next 15 years.

      Smell is a major reason why people mate. Advertising that older men supposedly smell of “death” instead of good genes, sounds like a bitter older female producer wanted to pass her hate off as humor.

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      • Jerry….it’s a satire of the modern male…..the scene is exaggerated but at it’s core is the AFC…at the end he asks if he should call her….she says no.

        Throughout this piece she controls. Comedy is rooted in reality. The cringe-worthiness of this clip is that it is so close to the bone for many guys or everyone knows someone like this….

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      • a scene from another episode (not verbatim, but close enough)…

        louie’s on a date with this woman, they’re at a coffee shop really early in the morning. they seem to be getting along, then a bunch of rowdy college age kids come in. they’re loud, obnoxious, and very annoying.

        louie (to the kids): could you keep it down please, we’re trying to have a conversation

        the kids go quiet. the woman seems impressed.
        one of the kids goes up to their table and gets in louie’s face.

        kid: what if i don’t feel like keeping it quiet?
        louie: well, i mean, we’re just trying to have a conversation
        kid (shows louie his fist, and the scabs on his knuckles): see this? i like to fight. this was from a couple of days ago. i smashed the guy’s face like 40 times
        louie: …
        kid: i could kick your ass right now
        louie: i would really rather you didn’t, i have two kids…
        (camera pans over to woman, who looks a bit less impressed now)
        kid: tell me not to kick your ass
        louie: what?
        kid: say, ‘please don’t kick my ass’
        louie glances over at the woman, who is looking off to the side
        kid: say it!
        louie: please don’t kick my ass

        kid laughs at him and goes back to his buddies. they leave the coffee shop, laughing at him.

        louie looks at the woman who is still looking off to the side. the expression on her face is one of disappointment and disgust.

        louie: what?
        her: no, nothing….it’s nothing
        louie: did you want me to fight him? i have two kids to look after
        her: i gotta be honest, that was a bit of a turn off
        louie looks shocked.
        her: i mean, i don’t like violence, and i can’t explain why i feel this way, but begging the kid to not kick your ass is just….so….
        louie: i can’t believe you wanted me to fight
        her: i don’t know….i mean,….my brain is telling me you’re a great guy, but my chemistry is telling me you’re a loser
        louie: you know, it’s women like you that cause wars. you choose the strong, stupid guy over the smart, weak guy
        her: whatever, i need to go

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  84. Feminism fails in its primary goal of female self expression. If women are not influenced by strong alpha presence, then they are ruled by the body of women. When a woman decides for herself, its often really nothing more than a decision to please her man or the female body politic. As has been preached here for quite some time, women are misogynists. Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss…. It stifles female expression far more because women are rarely agents of change . Women who are ruled by women have few options other than the dominant fashion of the day. Women who seek alpha have a choice among the rouges. Matriarchy and androgyny is stagnation.

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  85. @Jerry

    “Smell is a major reason why people mate”

    Oh yes. The zeroth cranial nerve!
    (NOT a joke)

    Thor

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  86. Let me help everyone struggling witht this…

    When a woman starts to “question feminism” what she is really saying is “im tired of my shitty 9 to 5 job…please take care of me and pay my bills.”

    When she is supporting feminism what she is really saying is “im bored at home and blaming u for all of lifes problems isnt amusing anymore. I wanna fuck somebody else but i dont wanna loom likr a homewrecker whore.”

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  87. i’ll be the first to admit total betatude in my “former life,” but….7 MONTHS without pounding this chick?!!! jesus christ. that’s not beta – that’s omega. only a borderline (or all the way) retard would accept that. no wonder this guy sickens her.

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  88. on July 2, 2011 at 6:09 pm Throbbing Gristle

    Holy living fuck, comrades, check out the hamster on this skank:

    http://www.good.is/post/how-violent-sex-helped-ease-my-ptsd/#comment_stream

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