Hank Moody: Chump

Our TV shows, movies and music give us hints about America as she is and where she is heading, at least as filtered through the eyes of a certain cultural or ethnic niche.

A friend told me I must watch Californication. He said the Hank Moody character closely resembled my life. Michael Blowhard, formerly of 2blowhards, also suggested I check out the show for its excellent portrayal of a man who knows how to game girls. Naturally, I was curious, so I watched all three seasons. I could see the resemblance. Spoilers below, so if you haven’t yet seen the show go whack off to cuteoverload.com.

The show is a blast. Smartly written, funny, and bawdy, with just the right amount of emotional gravitas to leaven the barrage of casual sex, cheating, whoring, drinking and coke snorting. I won’t look at Kathleen “tush toot” Turner the same way again.

Hank Moody is the oversexed main character (played effortlessly by a youthful looking David Duchovny — he was in his late 40s when filming began. One wonders just how much supposed sex addict Duchovny channeled his real life for this character). Moody (get it?) is a charming asshole given to bouts of despondency and a penchant for self-sabotage. He’s a writer with writer’s block who moves to LA from New York. His craving for fresh pussy (and his ability to get it) puts him on a crash course with his desire to fully reunite with his one true love, Karen, and their daughter Becca. You might think of the show in these terms: Hank’s multitudinous lovers are his id, Karen is his ego, and Becca a manifestation of his superego. I think the writers of the show added Becca to ground Hank lest he float away on an endless puffy cloud shaped like a mons pubis.

Any man interested in game should watch this show. Hank Moody practically delivers a clinic on how to properly seduce chicks in nearly every episode. He is the consummate cocky funny jerk women can’t help but love. For example, here is a scene where Hank is flirting with a woman he does not yet know is a prostitute (she later genuinely falls for Hank and offers pro bono services):

Hank: Come on, how come I don’t know your name?

Trixie: You haven’t asked.

Hank: Well, let’s not stand on ceremony. [He hand motions for her to say her name.]

Trixie: Trixie.

Hank: Trixie! That is a terrific name… if you’re a hooker!

Beautiful neg, said with a smile. How many of you guys reading right now would have the balls to pull off that kind of neg on a girl in a bar? You need to get those balls, because that is the kind of edgy, teasing game that fires a woman’s loins.

There are plenty more examples in the show of the right frame to hold with women. For that alone, it is worth watching. But somewhere in the middle of the first season, something began to bother me about the underlying message the show was sending. Finally, after Hank gets into yet another fistfight with a random dude who slighted some random woman, it hits me.

Hank Moody is a white knighting chump. A feminist’s dream. The alpha male who will spill the blood of other men and sacrifice his own self-interest to protect the honor of the lying whores and skanky sluts he bangs whose supposed deep-seated decency Hank can’t stop extolling, even when all evidence points to the contrary.

Think about it for a minute. What is the perfect man in a feminist’s eyes? He is first and foremost that charming cad who gets them wet. We all know the tingle is the necessary ingredient on the way to female fulfillment. Second, he is utterly nonjudgmental, no matter how badly the women in his life behave. Everything, ultimately, is his own fault, and he feels deeply sorry for “hurting” women, even when he can’t help but continue “hurting” them. Third, he will defend a woman’s honor at risk to his own well-being, health and reputation, even when the woman in question has little objective honor worth defending. Fourth, he will forgive everything bad women do to him, absolve them of all their sins (they know not what they do, lord, for they have mere vaginas), and fight those who would disagree.

An egregious example of Hank’s knee-jerk white knighting is in his relationship with the character Mia. Mia is an underage sexpot who seduces Hank in a bookstore and fucks him without telling him her age, then adds insult to injury by punching him in the face, hard, during sex. Later, she steals his newest manuscript (the only one he has written. no copies. what a maroon!), reads it, and passes it off as her own, going so far as to show up at Hank’s agent’s office to pitch her “new book” to a roomful of cackling skank-ho broads who, naturally, love this “new voice”. Throughout the later episodes, there is a constant undercurrent of impending doom awaiting Hank as Mia hints at spilling the beans about Hank’s statutory rape if he should ever decide to reveal she is not the author of his book. In fact, the statutory rape specter is the leaden apparition that haunts the entire show, and infuses it with the drama necessary to propel the plotline forward.

And all through this, Hank barely registers the slightest bit of anger or resentment toward Mia. If anything, he is protective of her, like a father, at one point explaining that she’s “not malicious, just mischievous”.

Hank, you silly stupid fuck, you douchebrained fool. Any sane person would agree that a woman duping a man into a possible statutory rape charge, stealing his labor of love manuscript, passing it off as her own, receiving the financial and social rewards of that book while depriving the true author of same, threatening to scream rape should the aggrieved man reveal the truth, and finally having the man’s ass thrown in jail on rape charges…

is a grade A 100% malicious bitch.

And yet, the writers felt it necessary to infantilize Mia and demonize the men who would treat Mia as the calculating succubus she is.

Is there anything more puke-inducing than unthinking white knighting? If his backasswards behavior in the face of such treachery is supposed to humanize Hank Moody, it doesn’t. It just makes him look like a chump. A fun, sexy chump, to be sure, but a chump just the same. Let’s see if the upcoming season four corrects his doleful trajectory and knocks some sense into his hyperchivalrous melon.

My point of all this is that the underlying message in Californication is not pro-male, or even pro-lothario. It is yet another shot across the bow of dignified, bold manhood, whether that manhood is exemplified in the form of the hapless but successful beta provider character played by Dean Coontz, or in the wanderlusting lothario of Hank Moody. It is not different than the message of any other TV show of the past twenty years churned out by Hollywood —

Men are stupid malcontents, and women are paragons of unassailable virtue.

The writers took the easy way out, which is too bad, because this show could have been more than merely entertaining. It could have been a cultural touchstone.

Which brings me to a larger issue. What the fuck is up with statutory rape? It’s a joke law made up by joke legislators without a scintilla of real world experience with women. Am I supposed to request age identification from every full-bodied young woman who comes onto me? There are 13 year olds out there who look like grown women. At the borderline of 16 to 18 years old, many women could easily pass for mid to late 20s. It is well known by neuroscientists and psychologists studying these things that women mature faster than men. Women’s brains gel into adult-shaped contours sooner. A full breasted and wide-hipped 17 year old hottie who flirts with me knows exactly what she is doing and what she wants. She is no child to be coddled. And yet, I could be thrown in jail if I slept with her assuming she was an older girl, even if it was something we both consensually desired.

This is abject bullshit. The law makes it a necessity to demand age identification with every young woman a man might want to fuck who could conceivably pass for a teenager. This means background checks on women in their 20s. And what about women who lie? They exist, lots of them. Is a statutory rape charge for the man the just response — the *fair* response — to a lying woman who wanted the sex as much as he?

It’s time to end the charade of statutory rape. If the “underage” woman is physically developed, and she consents to the sex, there is no rape charge, period. For chrissakes, there are 14 year olds in parts of the world getting married off and pumping out children of their own.





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  1. The ultimate Californication episode would be Hank Moody meets Poetry of Flesh, scriptwritten by Chateau.

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  2. Also, Duchovny is a handsome man, and his character is a talented writer. Is not so strange, that he pulls chicks.

    The really interesting character in the programme, from point of view of Game, is his bald friend.

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  3. Washington state’s age of consent is 16.

    You’d be safe here, mostly.

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  4. Off-topic, but related in regards to whiteknighting:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3890970/Man-uses-video-to-clear-his-name

    Man accused of rape uses the video to clear himself of the charges, gets prosecuted for making the film. Hurray for whiteknighting police, for they have achieved yet another glorious victory!

    News like this truly make me want to go ghost, just work until I’ve got enough money to live off minimum wage (interest), play MMOs all day and occasionally order a hooker. Meh.

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  5. Interesting timing. I just watched the first season. I will not be watching the rest. I agree with a lot of your observations. Another thing is that buddy has oneitis for his horse faced wife. Fuck that shit.

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  6. I have trouble telling age (I don’t know why, but I do).

    If a girl flirting with me looks young, I ask her age pretty early on since the age of consent is 18 where I live.

    The last thing you want is to end up like the lead character in “Trainspotting,” and have some underage whore have you by the balls with threats of “I’m gonna tell Daddy what you did to me” should you ever want to break off the relationship.

    Anyways, despite your problems with Californication, I still like the show. It is funny and entertaining. You can’t expect anything coming from Hollywood to be pro-male these days.

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  7. on July 8, 2010 at 2:33 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    @Roissy
    “Let’s see if the upcoming season four corrects his doleful trajectory and knocks some sense into his hyperchivalrous melon.”

    Seriously? What TV program has ever reverse-jumped-the-shark?

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  8. is it really that hard not to fuck teenagers?

    in real life, most 18 year olds look like they’re 12. at least they do once you hit 30.

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  9. on July 8, 2010 at 2:35 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    What the hell is going on that my comments are always “awaiting moderation”? By the time they get moderated, the comment gets left behind as we move on to new subjects.

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  10. Most crimes require mens rea (the intent portion of a crime). Statutory rape is a strict liability crime; your intent or knowledge doesn’t matter. Suppose she gave you a fake ID stating she was 21, and you have sex. You’re still guilty of statutory rape if she is under age no matter how reasonable your belief that her ID is genuine.

    Some statues are written such that a parent who uses a rectal thermometer on their child would technically be guilty of statutory rape.

    Would be interestingn to know the history of such laws, when they were introduced and under what circumstances.

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  11. My point of all this is that the underlying message in Californication is not pro-male, or even pro-lothario

    Never saw Californication, but I had the same letdown with “Two and Half Men.” For a while it really was a show about a cool cad and a hapless beta. But then it descended to Charlie Sheen’s cad character worshipping strident ageing bitches. And not as a cautionary tale of “no beta deed goes unpunished,” as it became clear to me, but as a straightforward bashing of alpha values.

    What the fuck is up with statutory rape? It’s a joke law made up by joke legislators without a scintilla of real world experience with women

    I think in spirit, at least as originally conceived (heh) statutory rape laws are there to protect parents of girls from the indignity of having to board their teenage daughters who are banging adult men. There is a reason why age of consent coincides with age of majority.

    For chrissakes, there are 14 year olds in parts of the world getting married off and pumping out children of their own

    As I’ve argued with Agnostic, teen marriage is the historic norm. That, and teen prostitution among the lower classes. But a man/teen-free-for-all doesn’t really have much of a precedent.

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  12. on July 8, 2010 at 2:35 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    j r, most 12 year olds are dressing like 18 year olds. Not the other way around.

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  13. I had to stop watching midway through season 2 because I couldn’t believe that a man so emo and full of white knight gallantry was scoring that much tail. It just didn’t seem possible. Big-time chump indeed. Maybe I’ll finish the series.

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  14. My comment is also stuck in moderation. It includes speculation on this question: “Would be interestingn to know the history of such laws, when they were introduced and under what circumstances”

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  15. on July 8, 2010 at 2:44 pm Ranger Rick

    The most ridiculous thing to me about statutory rape is that the only way out of it is apparently to prove that the under-age girl held a gun to your head or drugged you. Apparently it doesn’t even matter if you go to a bar or a club with heavy bouncing, which in America of course implies that everyone inside is 21+, and thus you have a reasonable belief that anyone you talk to is old enough to not be covered by statutory rape laws; it’s your fault, period, no matter what, according to the law, doesn’t matter that the girl had some $300 fake ID.

    The worst is when you’re still in college, or fresh out of college; depending on who you were friends with in college (take me, most of my friends in college were younger than I was), or if you stayed in touch with high school friends, it’s entirely possible that you are going to wind up around 16 or 17 year old girls for any variety of “kosher” reasons (friends of friends say).

    I dunno, not something I think about a ton, but as someone who’s almost 22 it’s annoying to realize that now I’ve got to be on the lookout for 25-year-old-looking 17 year olds, and finding yourself passing on girls solely because you don’t want to risk getting involved with statutory rape bait.

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  16. I think the statutory rape laws result, in part, as a subset of retarded inverse, parenting that too many parents engage in: basically, as their children age, they become more involved, more demanding and vocal. So, at age 5, it’s “Play unattended alongside a major 4-lane highway, and yell “Fire” when one of the 2-dozen registered sex offenders in the neighbor approaches you.” Or “Don’t stick the fork too deeply into the electrical outlets, it’s not safe.” And then bam, the child hits 15, and helping their (female) child gain a “sense of independence” that was so important at decade earlier is no longer a priority. It’s a confusing paradox that parents (particularly of female teens) too eagerly accept or expect that they’ll be sexually active, but yet have some predetermined constraints on the age range of who they’ll actually be active with. You know how difficult it is for a female teen to find a similarly-aged acceptable male in terms of maturity level. Most teen boys are quite retarded, socially and maturity wise. As a parent, I don’t see the need for statutory rape laws. I have more faith in my parenting capabilities that my child(ren) would pick suitable mates based on their preferences, personality, etc.

    I do think parents who maintain an overinvolved role in the later years are typically compensating for being absent during the most important years: 1-3 or 1-5. Age 18 is adulthood. I don’t even know how you can offer advice on these topics unless solicited. As a parent, you really have to know when to shut up. I’m glad I had the parenting input (or lack of) on these issues that I did.

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  17. Naw, statutory is here to stay. Flighty, irresponsible parents depend on laws like it and twitchy, protective retards think their born again sluts- I mean daughters are protected from predatory older men by it.

    Bumping ages down might work. It would cover the ages most likely to be mistaken for adults.

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  18. I think one of the reasons behind the white knight for Mia is because Hank himself has a daughter very close to her age. It’s easy for any of us to act one way when we’re single and banging everything that walks. If you have a daughter though all bets might be off on if you still view the world the same way.

    With that said I would have banged Mia silly and probably punched her back. But no one has ever accused me of being a white knight.

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  19. Statutory rape is all about power. Supposedly, it’s about stopping males from using their powers of Age and Income from molesting impressionable, innocent youth.

    Are there any innocent youth left? Seriously, this has to be a different kind of feminism.
    The sex-positive feminism (A) that gives us poon sandwiches can’t really be behind this thing.
    The sex-negative feminism (B) (most of it; Dworkin and anti-Pornography and etc.) has to be behind it all.
    I can’t imagine Feminism A backing this one up.

    I should be in jail. Most of the guys I met should be in jail, then, too.

    In Asia, I met a woman in a class. She was hot, extremely chatty, very forward, and bright. She had some experience, but more importantly she was very mature. She was the youngest woman I’d ever been with (largest age gap: 15 years). She was only 17. Here, I might have gone to jail. The irony: The woman wasn’t exactly new to the game. She made herself available in the only way some women are allowed to seduce men. And she had no interest in anything long-term. It was just her. No illusions. And this was not uncommon.

    I knew a man who had a 17-year-old girlfriend. He was 38. This was neither shocking nor particularly interesting in China. None of her girlfriends were particularly worried. Of course, he had money and a lot of class, but the girl never shied away from introducing her boyfriend around.

    This was not shocking to anyone. They might make note of it and check out the guy – but mostly they never complained about it.

    The *only* complainers were these: Older women (35-50) who were single (the mothers never said a word, from what I could tell); and single men who seemed to never get laid.

    – The really conservative old-school men had no problem with this, I noticed, but they did call this guy with his young girlfriend decadent, and a sign of the moral collapse in China, for another reason: He was having sex. That generation of people in China apparently, … never, … had, … sex. or only rarely.

    On the other hand, a counter-note: I also knew two women over the course of three years who had younger lovers. One was 34, and had an 18 year-old “boyfriend”. The other was 29 and had a 17 year-old. They didn’t parade around, but they weren’t embarrassed by it, either

    I wonder what the reaction to that would be here.

    Really, given that in Shanghai a guy with good game and some cash can easily date 17-24 year-olds if he can meet them where they are, I wonder what the reaction would truly be.

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  20. watched the first season.

    Decided the show didn’t have any legs beyond that.

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  21. I think one of the reasons behind the white knight for Mia is because Hank himself has a daughter very close to her age

    There was an excellend mid-series episode of The Sopranos, in which Tony Soprano risks his crew’s respect and loyalty by breaking a mob law and viciously pummeling his made-man Ralphie for being abusive to a degenerate stripper.

    That stripper reminded Tony of his daughter, who was the same age. There were even scene transitions that juxtaposed the two girls.

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  22. Just because a girl has the body of an older woman and flirts and is receptive to male advances, doesn’t me she wants to have sex with you. Many times she is flirting is uncalculating because she is responding to hormones and curiosity. And when an older man, especially, comes on to her, it can be intimidating. So smiles and giggles are really out of nervousness and a desire not to make him angry.

    It’s not until a woman is mature mentally and emotionally that she can really decide for herself if she wants to have sex. And this development doesn’t come to fruition until early 20’s, really.

    Overnight everything changed when I turned 13: women were suddenly rude to me, and men treated me like I wanted to have sex with them. It was very confusing and not a good experience. The innocence of childhood was chipped away somewhat, when internally, I was the same little kid I was the year before.

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  23. In Brazil statutory rape, or the equivalent, is when you have sex with girls under 14.

    Up to 18 you’re considered an adult, and able to perform any legal act. As well as drinking or driving (but not both at the same time).

    Between 14 and 18, is required the observance of some maximum age disparity, wich I cannot remember if it is 3, 4 or 10 years.

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    A recent jurisprudence however is shaking the notion of “statutory rape” in Brazil.

    A man was recently absolved after having sex with a 13 years old hooker.

    The magistrate understood that:

    a) He didnt know her age;
    b) One cannot claim she has enough “innocence” to be protected under the form of law, since she voluntarely prostituted herself, and therefore, she was absolutely aware of the adult character of her actions.

    In other words, the judges understood that she knew well what she was doing. And that the notion of “statutory rape” is made to protect the innocence of youths, innocence wich, she clearly did not have.

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    Fucking amazing, isnt it?

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  24. I love Californication, largely for the seduction scenes.

    But Moody is a total white knight: This is the only kind of acceptable bad boy that isn’t a villain.

    How is this news to anyone?

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  25. Maybe there’s an underlying message that the personality that led him into white knighting is also what led him into shagging a teenager. The mentality tends to go hand in hand…old fashioned guys at the core desire young nubile women, and wish that the world was still the sort of place that youth implied a degree of innocence.

    So on the one hand the paradoxical alpha white knight is a female fantasy, but on the other, perhaps the writers thought to show what kind of trouble someone with that personality would get into.

    Maybe they didn’t do this consciously, but nontheless, that’s the message: modern day Don Quixote gets reamed.

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  26. @VK

    “If you have a daughter though all bets might be off on if you still view the world the same way.”

    If I have a daughter, then I will be under no illusions about the possibility that she will probably be “slutting it up” when she is a young woman, especially if she is pretty.

    I have met far too many young sluts to live in the fantasy world where I can lie to myself about how “my daughter will be the exception.”

    That is why I always laugh when idiots come on here and denigrate game as “taking advantage of women.”

    LOL!

    You can’t take advantage of a willing participant!

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  27. That legal age of 18 just demonstrates how fuck’d up in the mind are those who put this law and how ignorant of human nature and history are they. Those citizens who consented to this law are more fuck’d up in the mind.

    What is a 19 year old man sleeps with a 17 year old girl?

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  28. Yeah, Ralpie disrespected the Bing. Tony couldn’t actually say Ralphie killed a sweet (n f’ing hot) kid who was a little possessive.

    Yeah, SR laws aren’t about mens rea though, strict liability. imagine they were important in the infancy of the West’s protestant-beta-providing superpower reign before society changed.

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  29. you’re in a fucking shitty mood, dude. isn’t poon supposed to take the edge off? you’re aren’t smoking enough bud then. or something. damn.

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  30. PA,

    Ralphie got whacked for more than the stripper incident. Tony didn’t go there to kill him, but the annoying qualities of Ralphie stirred up the argument and fight. Ralphie constantly caused trouble, but the real issue that set Tony off was the killing of Pie-O-My (Tony’s horse). She was burned alive and it was obvious Ralphie was the culprit.

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  31. on July 8, 2010 at 3:09 pm namae nanka

    Right on, Moody’s idealism and women pedestalisation gets gag-worthy.
    Maybe women give up on him after he becomes too beta? Not the old hags, but younger ones.

    “Let’s see if the upcoming season four corrects his doleful trajectory and knocks some sense into his hyperchivalrous melon.”

    haha not gonna happen. It’s seems to always be the other way round in all the serials that I have seen. Alphas being tamed into betas and betas just turning into females.
    He needs a shock like entourage’s vince, but even then, moody is an old man, too late to change.

    The last few episodes in s3 were downright pathetic, no point in watching shows that outlive their basic premise. But then what to watch?

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  32. @Gorbachev,

    She was only 17. Here, I might have gone to jail.

    Isn’t it the other way around? In many US states, this would be legal, but as I understand it if you go overseas you violate US law if they are under 18. Or am I misunderstanding this?

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  33. @Kate
    Just because a girl has the body of an older woman and flirts and is receptive to male advances, doesn’t me she wants to have sex with you.

    You totally missed the issue, like all ageists.

    If you can get it, the point is:

    STATUTORY RAPE.

    Should a man (or, frankly, woman – it happens occasionally, this epidemic of teachers fucking students) go to JAIL – *JAIL* – as sexual perverts and abusers for sleeping with or seducing a woman, who has fully consensual sex with him?

    *CONSENSUAL* sex. Not being forcibly tied down.

    I’ve only ever been there once, since passing 30, but but the woman was hardly some delicate innocent. As it happens, I was her second lover; and she felt no shame, that there was nothing wrong with it (she even reassured me after a week when I noticed a comment), and left happy and undamaged.

    Are you arguing that she was damaged internally? That I had scarred her?

    STATUTORY RAPE: Apparently, I was in the same category as Pedophiles and men who attack women at knife-point.

    Give me a fucking break. Seriously.

    We’re not talking about whether or not you find it creepy or unfortunate, but: STATUTORY RAPE, a CRIMINAL CHARGE that brands you FOR LIFE.

    *THAT’S* what Roissy is on about.

    Many times she is flirting is uncalculating because she is responding to hormones and curiosity. And when an older man, especially, comes on to her, it can be intimidating. So smiles and giggles are really out of nervousness and a desire not to make him angry.

    If she consent to sex, … she’s consenting.

    It’s not until a woman is mature mentally and emotionally that she can really decide for herself if she wants to have sex. And this development doesn’t come to fruition until early 20′s, really.

    I see. So if *I*, or any other man over the age of 30, say, had sex with a 17-18 year-old we should — GO TO JAIL.

    *JAIL*. As a SEX OFFENDER.

    If you truly think this is an appropriate social response, then there’s just no talking to you.

    Overnight everything changed when I turned 13: women were suddenly rude to me, and men treated me like I wanted to have sex with them. It was very confusing and not a good experience. The innocence of childhood was chipped away somewhat, when internally, I was the same little kid I was the year before.

    In some societies, including our own in the past, if you were 18 and unmarried, you were over the hill.

    My great-grandmother had children by age 16. Four by 18. My grandmother was married at 17, and this was considered fully appropriate.

    I later found out what she was up to in the back seat of buggies and cars when she was 15. Often, with 20-year-olds.

    My mother was married by 22.

    Seriously, where the hell do women get off putting men in JAIL for this.

    And to prove how unsexist I am about this, I’ll say: I thikn *women* who find themselves a young man also shouldn’t go to jail.

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  34. on July 8, 2010 at 3:10 pm Ranger Rick

    Nestorious: To put things in perspective, in some states I do think the age of consent is 16 or 17, and even where it’s 18 most states have exceptions like “18, but 16 and 17 year olds can have sex with people up to 4 years older than they are”.

    After reading other comments and thinking about it some more, I think something like 15 or 16 would be a good age of consent. And if you find that 15 year old who really is too young to be having sex, and some 25 year old gets her into bed, I’m sure there’s myriad other laws that could be used against him.

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  35. Ralphie was a loose canon and an asshole who had it coming, but Tony’s pummeling him at the Bing was a reaction to him slapping the stripper behind the club. The horse incident came later.

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  36. on July 8, 2010 at 3:10 pm namae nanka

    “What is a 19 year old man sleeps with a 17 year old girl?”

    Raypshit.

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  37. on July 8, 2010 at 3:15 pm namae nanka

    “There are 13 year olds out there who look like grown women. ”

    http://www.bloggernews.net/118842

    An Oklahoma teenager is swept up in laws aimed at protecting kids from child predators. He must register as a sex offender for life, as the worst level offender, after having a sex with his girlfriend, who said she was his age, 16. Sex between teenagers is no longer just a moral issue, it’s a legal one.

    Ricky grew up dreaming of joining the Navy and becoming a police officer. He was 16 and living in Iowa when he met a girl at a club for kids 16 to 20 years old. He says she told him she was nearly 16. They began dating and had sex. Soon after, police questioned him.

    “The cop asked me, did you have sex with her? And, I said twice. He said sign this statement and I signed it. Soon as I got done signing it, he said, sorry to let you know, she’s only 13,” said Ricky.

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  38. Many Sopranos seasons had liability loose-cannon characters who stir up unnecessary trouble and end up dead.

    Ritchie early on gets out of prison and cripples a pizzeria owner. He then slaps Tony’s sister Janice, and she shoots him, saving Tony the trouble.

    Later season, the old guy who gets out of prison and beats up on landscapers — Tony’s crew end up framing him for grand theft to get his ass back behind bars on parole violation.

    Ralphie, as noted above.

    In the final season, Tony’s cousin Tony Blundetto, though a well-meaning and somewhat sympathetic character, starts a major war with another family, and Tony has to off him, partly as a mercy killing.

    Of course, there is the series-long character Christopher, a son-figure to Tony in a way, who needed killin’ for fucking up too many times.

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  39. on July 8, 2010 at 3:23 pm Sam Strickland

    http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/article.aspx?cp-documentid=24682698&gt1=32023

    Roissy here is some interesting material for your consideration.

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  40. @Dalrock

    dalrock
    @Gorbachev,
    She was only 17. Here, I might have gone to jail.

    Isn’t it the other way around? In many US states, this would be legal, but as I understand it if you go overseas you violate US law if they are under 18. Or am I misunderstanding this?

    In the state I was born in, I’d have been a criminal. In the one I was raised in, I was just – barely – not a vicious, dangerous criminal. In the one I’m living in, I’m barely safe. In some states (a good number), anything under 18 is Prison Time.

    The point is – what if she was, say, 16, 3 months away from her 17th birthday?

    Seriously, there are some 16 year-olds with more sexual experience than some 25 year-olds.

    The whole presumption of the law is flawed.

    It’s using a jackhammer to kill a slug. It’s gross overkill, and you have to wonder why so much overkill is required.

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  41. j r

    is it really that hard not to fuck teenagers?

    Yes, it damn well is.

    Are you suggesting that college guys shouldn’t be able to screw college freshman and sophomore and often enough junior (for at least part of that year) girls who are hot to trot? Or shouldn’t if they’re upperclassmen? What world do you live in?

    The age of consent is set by individual states somewhere between 16 and 18 today. California sets it at 18, which is why 17yo seductress Mia, who pretended she was older w/Hank, is “jail bait”. That’s ridiculous. A plurality of states have it at 16, the next most at 18, and then 17. NY and Florida have at 17.

    It’s 16 or below in all of Europe. 13 in Spain, 14 in Holland, 16 in the UK.

    It was everywhere 16 down to 14 (with a state or two at 12) in the US until second wave feminism began a campaign in the 70s to raise it. Their real purpose was to promote equalism in marriage and mating. They were against older guys having too much influence over younger girls such that it wouldn’t be an entirely equal partner sort of feminist realtionship. Never mind whether in general older guys treated younger girls better. That certainly wasn’t the feminist propaganda they put about then.

    As well it was part of a campaign to make all too young sex the guy’s fault. Previously it was up to the parents of young girls, and the young girls themselves, to remain chaste if not until marriage as was the tradition, at least until they were in love and marriage was a possibility. Anyway, it was mostly the girls responsibility absent rape to be a good girl; of course boys including older ones would try to seduce her. She had to resist that and her parents had to not allow her to hang out with older guys e.g. college guys.

    Feminists instead wanted to make it a male crime for guys to seduce any high school or younger girl. They pushed for 18 everywhere. Even while the average age of girls first intercourse was 15.5 or so.

    It used to be between

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  42. Californication has its moments but after a while you get antsy.

    First of all Hank should really be getting his ass kicked more regularly and thoroughly, he’s a small guy with a big mouth and I’d think far more guys would get sick of his shit and not really feel his tiny fists pummeling away once they get going.

    Second, the big fantasy element is of course that this lone wolf getting all the grudging respect and all that hot tail in Hollywood … is a writer. Yeah sure.

    (Shoutout to Hank Chinaski.)

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  43. 18 is not the age of consent in most American states, it’s younger in most, 16 or 17. It is in California, which is of course the mass entertainment media center for the nation if not the world.

    Further it’s against federal law to distribute or even possess sexually explicit images of girls under the age of 18. There are exceptions for supposedly non solacious arty nudity. Louis Malle presumably got Brook Shield’s 14yo semi nudity as a child hooker losing her virginity in the trade in a New Orleans upscale brothel in under that ruberic. He likely wouldn’t have during the uber militant feminist 90s.

    In Europe the porn pictures age is lower. The big markets it’s 16 though so that tends to be the minimum porn age in Germany, France and Italy. However the big America mkt needs 18 or over, so that affects things there to.

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  44. Isn’t the height of female fertility around 15 or 16?? Seems to be a disconnect between what mothehr nature intended and our legal system.

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  45. on July 8, 2010 at 3:40 pm Black Rebel

    I think Hank’s womanizing/white knighting dichotomy is a character device designed to symbolize how all men feel about women; the desire to fuck them and the need to save them from their continual poor decision making.

    While I think the show is hugely overrated, I can’t say that it isn’t well written and with good characters (gripe: the daughter is too ugly for her attractive parents). Hank is the perennial cool guy badboy type who has some ends, the exact type of guy you figure gets tons of pussy.

    The Jason Schwartzmann-Zack Galifianakis-Ted Danson show ‘Bored to Death’, in addition to being a much better show than Californication also has some nice game examples. The intriguing thing about that show is Schwartzmann, a guy you’d expect to be Beta (I’ve met him…he’s a 5’6 Jewish man), comes off very Alpha in some moments. I noticed in the first episode he was a ridiculous beta, but by the end he was flashing crazy alpha moves. I’d definitely recommend checking it out, here’s a trailer.

    Statutory rape…ugh. Consent is 16 where I’m from. I was at the beach this past weekend, and I couldn’t help but notice many, many beautiful bodies, but my approach was doomed from the start when I saw that each girl was maybe 13-15. It’s strange, 12 and 13 year old girls with tits (not the mosquito bumps 12 and 13 year old girls should have, we’re talking guns, C monsters, I blame the dairy-heavy diet of the modern north american), and it’s also strange that as soon as they come in the rents decide it’s time for a sexy two-piece dental floss bikini.

    Really, what the hell do they expect?

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  46. on July 8, 2010 at 3:41 pm namae nanka

    “It’s not until a woman is mature mentally and emotionally that she can really decide for herself if she wants to have sex. And this development doesn’t come to fruition until early 20′s, really.”

    lol saying this on this blog is akin to thumping the bible at a fossil excavation.

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  47. Roissy–

    I always saw Hank Moody as a feminist version of a lothario yes, as you describe in the last 2/3 of this post. I too have see the series to date.

    I saw him right from the beginning as being yes tactically an effective rake and Casanova, but strategically mega pussy whipped by Karen, and then yes Mia, and others. Sex was always his fault and certainly any bad consequences were (no matter how much the girl dug it, or seduced him); girls were essentially innocent creatures lead astray by such as him.

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  48. “Second, the big fantasy element is of course that this lone wolf getting all the grudging respect and all that hot tail in Hollywood … is a writer. Yeah sure.”

    This is a bit of a fantasy element…but I think the “Hank Moody” character is supposed to represent a fictionalized version of David Duchovny in real life, so they changed the details a bit…

    …and David Duchovny was getting tons of ass, at least until recently when he checked himself in to a sex addiction clinic, which is what uber-alphas do when they get caught by their wives cheating with younger women.

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  49. PA

    “Would be interestingn to know the history of such laws, when they were introduced and under what circumstances”

    See my comment above.

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  50. “What the fuck is up with statutory rape? It’s a joke law made up by joke legislators without a scintilla of real world experience with women.”

    Amen to that. I would love to hear you tear into the basmentdwelling omega fucks from “Perverted Justice” and other such vigilante outlets that impersonate hot 17 year olds on the internet and get normal red-blooded guys prosecuted as paedos.

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  51. “I won’t look at Kathleen “tush toot” Turner the same way again.”

    I’m a (popular) cultural illiterate so I did a google images search for Kathleen Turner and came up with this:

    http://hitdawall.wordpress.com/the-wall-of-shame/

    No need to look at her, the same way or indeed any way, again.

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  52. Very nice analysis – I had missed this point entirely. Kudos to Roissy.

    Btw, age of consent in Sweden = 15.

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  53. Worst part of the statutory rape law/idea is the opportunity it gives feminazis and AFCs to call a man a “pedophile” if he sexes a teenage woman (or in some cases even simply finds one attractive).

    Bleeders with hips and breasts are sexually mature and therefore natural objects of desire. Pedophilia is quite a different affliction, involving premature children, which makes the tossing around of the word like confetti all the more egregious.

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  54. E, sure, there probably are some character similarities. But note the difference: Duchovny is a fairly famous actor who thus gets to indulge himself, while Hank Moody is a “bestselling novelist”, which is pretty low in the Hollywood pecking order.

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  55. cpike, that Wall of shame: also pretty telling to see that Amy Winehouse has grown a big old jaw.

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  56. Would love to hear a dissection on Mad Men.

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  57. Would love to hear a dissection *of* Mad Men.

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  58. the hysteria over statutory rape has mirrored the rise of singl e mom whores bringing strange men into their homes while their nubile 1 year old lolitas are lolling around. its about shaming men into thinking their natural urges are PEROPHILIA

    soon, a generation of cougars scared of dying alone with cats will agitate to have the age of consent raised to 32

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  59. oh
    my
    god

    nubile 16 year old daughters lol

    not 1

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  60. on July 8, 2010 at 4:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well it is like that south park episode where they are going to mexico to buy fireworks because fireworkds are illegal in the us because a kid blew his hand off. He uncle says

    “Everythings legal in mexico it is the american way”

    Has america ever been a free country?

    With actual freedom comes complacency because people are also free to chill out. Freedom actual freedom. Actually content so no need to work yourself to hard you might just need the basic needs which are not that many and don’t require as much effort to attain. You must be pushed as well to drive the economy and everyone must be putting in effort all the time.

    Increase the price of pussy increase the effort.

    Then with the ability to just pass whatever law you want and then you can see why it might be hard to be patriotic as to be patriotic would require a fight to the death.

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  61. Mad Men is far more a portray of an old school male Casanova or lothario, who is male centric rather than ultimately female fawning in his outlook.

    The underlying feminist message in Mad Men though, and there definitely is one, is that this is a world about to inevitably crumble, due to it’s unjustice and male privilege, and that Don Draper himself is about to take a big, no huge, hall. I.e. be divorced and taken to the cleaners. (THough if truthful it wouldn’t be as bad as now.)

    It’s also not clear Betty’s pregnancy wasn’t due to her cuckolding Don, in no double standards proto feminist response to Don Draper’s getting away with things for so long.

    Without these foreshadowings current post feminist female audiences would have been much more critical of Mad Men. In fact there was much much less of this foreshadowing in the first season, and an outcry among elites, though a strong viewership for the channel, did arise.

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  62. on July 8, 2010 at 4:37 pm bored by typical chatter

    @ SDaedalus,

    I just posted a reply to you on the old thread about Teutonic Efficiency Smothers Latin Flash, but I forgot to include “Thank you”.

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  63. “the hysteria over statutory rape has mirrored the rise of singl e mom whores bringing strange men into their homes while their nubile 1[6] year old lolitas are lolling around. its about shaming men into thinking their natural urges are PEROPHILIA

    soon, a generation of cougars scared of dying alone with cats will agitate to have the age of consent raised to 32”

    LOL!

    This is so true.

    Nothing scares a cougar more than a “younger, hotter, tighter” (in the words of GBFM) woman.

    They know damn well they can’t compete.

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  64. Thursday–

    Statutory rape laws started to be put on the books when informal community controls over sexuality broke down and as parents started to lose their informal controls over their daughters.

    It WAS a feminist conspiracy to raise the ages as they did, but yes they also go support from allied conservative quarters for the reasons you state.

    Note however that the law harshly punishes men for going after girls long though marriageable (16 & 17), and completely lifts all responsibility and opprobrium from the girl and her family’s shoulders, very unlike previously. Part of that was the accompanying propaganda vilifying young men for their natural sexual desire to seduce fecund girls. (Which is hardly pedophilia, but that’s not what the feminist conspiracy said in endless propaganda.)

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  65. on July 8, 2010 at 4:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Rex how many kids did you have with the blond chick?

    It has been known to be a small world.

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  66. Sam Spade–

    Yuup. Well said.

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  67. @Thursday
    These laws are not some feminist conspiracy, though feminists have tried to use them for their own purposes. Statutory rape laws started to be put on the books when informal community controls over sexuality broke down and as parents started to lose their informal controls over their daughters. As traditional authority breaks down the formal authority of the law steps in. As PA has pointed out there has never been an older man/teen girl free-for-all.

    But it does occasionally happen. I’m not chasing after 17 year-olds; I never did. When I was 18 I was attracted to older women.

    But on occasion an individual woman (or man, if you’re a woman) may captivate you for some reason. It could be personal, sexual, emotional or situational.

    I’m not saying let’s all go have sex with teens. But on rare occasions, it might happen. In the only situation I’m personally familiar with, it was entirely appropriate and mutual and completely consensual; there was nothing weird or uncomfortable or strange about it. It was exactly like all such other situations I’ve ever been in. The age was entirely incidental and had no effect on anything and would have been entirely irrelevant. If she’d been 30 there’d have been no difference in outcome or process.

    I can see how this might not always be the case, theoretically, but the law should not be retarded about it.

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  68. on July 8, 2010 at 4:53 pm The Specimen

    If there’s grass on the field, play ball. If not, flip her over and play the dirt. Right guys?! …right?

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  69. if left up to the christian conservative movement it would be illegal to have sex with anyone but your husband/wife

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  70. Statutory rape is gay revenge. They used to be the perverts. Now everyone else is. Feminists like it because it makes men fearful of youthness — a form of castration.

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  71. Here in LA (like Glengarry noted) the premise of the show, a novelist having the sexual cachet of a rock star, is seen as the pure fantasy of typical LA writers, who typically chafe under a variety of frustrations.

    I agree with someone’s observation (years ago) that if David Duchovny was just some anonymous guy on the street, he would not be seen as “handsome” or “cute” or “hot”. That’s the halo effect of being a successful TV actor, being famous. He’s quite ordinary-looking (at best).

    I’ve seen only the first two seasons of the show.
    S.2 was a big let-down from the quality of S.1.
    How does S.3 compare?

    Roissy makes a great point about how much less credible & enjoyable the show is with Moody being so forgiving & accepting about the theft of his novel. That’s insane, when he supposedly cares about his writing career. It contradicts a key element of protagonist, and thereby undermines the premise of the whole show.

    Yeah, the show would be much better if Moody was not such a white knight chump, but rather more of a consistently selfish, cynical guy (ie, a realist, not such a willing victim of bullshit).
    I have to give the show’s creators/writers credit for being obviously fans of Warren Zevon (criminally overlooked, under-rated).
    Glengarry, your shout out to Hank Chinaski is perfect.

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  72. I’ve been crushing on David Duchovny since his Red Shoe Diary days. He was even sexier in X-Files…all pent up like he was and taking himself sooo seriously, made me want to shake him up a bit, loosen that tie.

    Gorb-

    “I love Californication..”

    –me too, good show. Wicked dry humor writing, just as Duchovny usually delivers it. Mia was a raging bitch, but the one girl ran off with his records….that would require a serious beating in my book. His ex married an architect beta–how funny. I like the idea of coming from NY and landing in LA, such different mind sets between the coasts in the States.

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  73. is there anything that you guys don’t think is a “feminist conspiracy?”

    sometimes this blog comes across as a bizarro feministing where “feminism” rakes the place of “the patriarchy.”

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  74. The writers of the show wanted men AND WOMEN to watch. Thats why they made Hank a bit of a wuss.

    Also the age of consent in Canada is 16.

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  75. I like the idea of coming from NY and landing in LA, such different mind sets between the coasts in the States.

    I would like to know more on this plz. America fascinates me.

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  76. Btw, where has GBFM gone off to? I kinda warmed to the dude. I even used the word “butthex” in a recent article I wrote.

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  77. I’ve never seen this, and hopefully never will. Television has been made for women for the last 20 years or so, and isn’t worth watching; men play video games instead. I have seen 2.5 men; the Sheen character is obviously there to appeal to women, even though he is a scoundrely rapscallion. As PA pointed out, his behavior is what women want: a tameable alpha who really prefers their cobwebby old hoo-has.

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  78. […] over whether Game is about pedestalization, liberation, or something else entirely, I thought today’s post by Citizen Renegade (formerly known as Roissy) might be edifying to […]

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  79. Thursday’s comments are cogent and well-informed. Instances of early teen marriage and child bearing outside of the west are in cultures were family structures and gender roles have remained intact. There is considerable parental involvement in the lives of these girls (parents often arrange the marriages themselves), reinforced by fully vested extended families and communities. Those sexual norms almost exclusively found in the third world don’t transfer well in the west for obvious reasons.

    I don’t favor draconian application of statutory rape but I do understand its import, a point that was well made by Thursday. There should be obvious latitude for suitors whose age gap with the girl is less than maybe 5 years but I’ll concede even that is arbitrary.

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  80. I loved that show! I’m still waiting for a new season.

    I don’t think Hank is a white-knighting beta chump. If I recall correctly, he only ever knocked out guys for harassing the woman he actually loves and has a child with, Karen. If you’re not willing to defend the mother of your child (who will in turn raise your progeny) then that is like endangering your lineage.

    Secondly, he may not explicitly call Mia a backstabbing bitch, but he does call her a little sociopath (little is key). I think Hank knows that it’s pointless and dangerous to try anything aggressive with Mia, and even turns fatherly towards her as a troubled teen. I thought alphas didn’t bother with contemptuously calling women bitches.

    [editor: if the bitch fits…]

    That’s a very beta thing. Alpha just accept cattiness, lying, and backstabbing as integral parts of the female psyche, and do what they can from there. It’s like complaining that the grass is green. He cuts off all power to her by refusing to sleep with her again.

    [actually, alphas call bitches bitches all the time. in fact, women are attracted to stone cold misogynists, as long as their misogyny isn’t scattershot.

    btw, you have it completely wrong about hank’s dynamic with mia. he actually goes out of his way to protect her dainty tender soul from lew ashby when he wants to sleep with her. this proves he is a chump.

    when a woman is that much of a filthy cunt, it absolutely behooves a man to put her in her place.]

    Women love statutory rape laws because not only do they take the burden off of keeping watch of their daughters, but it shrinks the competition for them. If just 17 year olds turned out to be legal, that would be a ton of extra young women to compete with.

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  81. Yes, Tony punched Ralph for the pregnant girlfriend/stripper thing, but he killed Ralph the day after Ralph killed his horse. It was obvious the incident was the last straw. The loss of that horse was one of the more emotional moments we see of Tony.

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  82. on July 8, 2010 at 6:34 pm cousincozen

    “No need to look at her, the same way or indeed any way, again.”

    She developed rheumatoid arthritis in the 90’s and that probably has a lot to do with how bad she looks nowadays, more so than simply age, I suspect.

    She was a hot little pancake in Body Heat.

    There’s a flick to analyze. Was William Hurt’s character a beta or alpha…or simply a fucking sap.

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  83. Statutory Rape is not there to protect girls. It is there to prevent 15-17 year old girls from hooking up with older guys.

    Who does that benefit? Girls/women older than 17, and the male age peers of the girls. The former can trade on more aging looks, and less sex appeal, while the latter get a chance to date the girls their age who would on the whole, prefer guys significantly older and more masculine and developed.

    SOMEHOW you have to as a society put a bridle on teen age girls, otherwise they run wild. My own view, they shouldn’t be having sex, they should be forced to confront the weakness AND the virtue of their age peers.

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  84. lupo
    Television has been made for women for the last 20 years or so, and isn’t worth watching; men play video games instead.

    video games?

    last i checked, men went out and lived.
    they went out into the big, bad real world, and they fought, struggled, loved, lost, worked, grew, watched, learned, manipulated, created, destroyed, and lived.

    the modern league of video games (especially the life-swallowing RPG version, as opposed to the pac-man-style in-out-whambamthankyousir arcade-style games of the eighties and nineties) is for chumps who are too afraid of the aforementioned real world, or who think that putting themselves at a deliberate remove from flesh-and-blood interactions somehow lends them superiority (as with royalty who preferred to be addressed in the third person).
    as if.

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  85. CR / editor
    actually, alphas call bitches bitches all the time. in fact, women are attracted to stone cold misogynists, as long as their misogyny isn’t scattershot.

    damn straight.
    dismissiveness.
    alpha trait no. 7.

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  86. on July 8, 2010 at 6:52 pm Master Beta

    When I was in my late teens, I used to see some tragedy in the prospect of spending the rest of my life being most attracted to 15-25 +/- year old women…

    Now that I understand women, and that attractive single women of my age and up are unmarriable disposeable alpha male cum dumpsters, that thought brings a smile to my 26 year old face.

    We win in the end.

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  87. on July 8, 2010 at 6:58 pm Cannon's Canon

    alphas call bitches bitches all the time

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  88. on July 8, 2010 at 7:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””johnny five
    last i checked, men went out and lived.
    they went out into the big, bad real world, and they fought, struggled, loved, lost, worked, grew, watched, learned, manipulated, created, destroyed, and lived.””””

    After being in the big bad real world and realizing it is all just a game except easier than a game.
    I am kind of up for the challenge of some video games, computer chess, eating, shitting, fucking and of course roissy’s blog right now.

    ””””especially the life-swallowing RPG version”””’

    This is the one you should encourage your child to play young not much diference to getting rich in game vs real life for the right rpg.

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  89. on July 8, 2010 at 7:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    on July 8, 2010 at 7:00 pm Gunslingergregi
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    ”””””johnny five
    last i checked, men went out and lived.
    they went out into the big, bad real world, and they fought, struggled, loved, lost, worked, grew, watched, learned, manipulated, created, destroyed, and lived.””””

    After being in the big bad real world and realizing it is all just a game except easier than a game.
    I am kind of up for the challenge of some video games, computer chess, eating, shitting, fucking and of course this blog right now.

    ””””especially the life-swallowing RPG version”””’

    This is the one you should encourage your child to play young not much diference to getting rich in game vs real life for the right rpg.

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  90. @Bored

    I just posted a reply to you on the old thread about Teutonic Efficiency Smothers Latin Flash, but I forgot to include “Thank you”.

    Got the reply (it came up on my wordpress comments page) and posted a reply to it, thanks.

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  91. SOMEHOW you have to as a society put a bridle on teen age girls, otherwise they run wild.

    -Whiskey

    That’s exactly right. The problem is that today statutory rape is enforced, but slut-shaming is not. It used to be that there was a penalty for men and for the girls. Today, as with so many other things, it’s entirely one-sided.

    Immature women (teens) can be extremely disruptive when not kept in line. One of my theories is that college is what middle-class parents use to segregate their daughters from older men today.

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  92. Legislators respond to voters; far more voters are parents than are sensualists who want or can achieve unrestricted access to 17-year-old girls; parents, including mothers, engage in daughter-guarding behavior, which probably extends to encouraging legal requirements that enforce female chastity; therefore you probably shouldn’t expect changes.

    I wrote a little bit about these tendencies in The Weekly Standard on the New-Old Dating Game, Hooking Up, Daughter-Guarding, and much, much more.

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  93. Good insights into the white knighting. The other point is that Moody is the alpha male who also has one-itis for his ex-wife Karen.

    In Season 3: Moody has endless cam-to-cam conversations with her and even while he’s banging his Teaching Assistant, hot stripper student and the Dean’s wife still gets all “moody” when Karen comes back.

    Karen says she fucked Moody’s idiot friend and Moody gets all weird about it and hides in a closet.

    Later when Dean Koontz gets drunk and insists on a duel in period costume, Moody demures while the bi-polar college professor who fucked Karen when she was a student calls Moody a ‘pussy’.

    You can learn a lot from the show…but as good as he is, he turns into a huge lump of betaness with Karen…

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  94. @walawala
    The other point is that Moody is the alpha male who also has one-itis for his ex-wife Karen.

    You can learn a lot from the show…but as good as he is, he turns into a huge lump of betaness with Karen…

    This is true. But it’s also true-to-life. Lots of guys are like that. I was like that.

    It was true of me for the first year after my divorce. Despite two affairs and a growing confidence with women, and going overseas, I still had painful (“codependent”?), unreconstructed angst over my ex-wife.

    It was only when I saw her again, about 2 years later, did I realize that I had no attraction to her, and surprisingly no animosity at all. I felt, … sadness. Nothing else.

    In retrospect, I’m much more upset over other relationships I’ve had since, which still have active effects on me

    But for the first while, one-itis was still bothering me, even when I was in pseudo-relationships with other women.

    The same was also true, BTW, for many of the women I’ve been with.

    Some men just seem to stamp women like a hydraulic stamping machine, and they never – or barely ever – get over it. No matter what you do, you’ll just never be that guy.

    These guys are invariably Alphas. Women can pine after men like that for decades.

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  95. To echo some of this, they really went downhill when they tried to suggest that the 16 year old (who is probably a 26 year old actress) was really a virgin that he deflowered. I guess this was their lame attempt to recover and deliver some message that the statutory rape laws have some merit. Nowhere do they try to rationalize the concept that a virgin would seduce a man she just met in a store, climb on top and then punch him in the face during sex.

    The daughter character is also a ridiculous womens’ studies fantasy. She doesn’t try to be very attractive. She might be bi. She’s supposed to be smarter and morally superior to all the boys she knows (and to her father). Any actual problems or unhappiness can be directly attributed to her worthless father. Blah blah blah.

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  96. on July 8, 2010 at 8:49 pm Smashing_Retard

    Kate imagined:

    Just because a girl has the body of an older woman and flirts and is receptive to male advances, doesn’t me she wants to have sex with you. Many times she is flirting is uncalculating because she is responding to hormones and curiosity. And when an older man, especially, comes on to her, it can be intimidating. So smiles and giggles are really out of nervousness and a desire not to make him angry.

    It’s not until a woman is mature mentally and emotionally that she can really decide for herself if she wants to have sex. And this development doesn’t come to fruition until early 20′s, really.

    Overnight everything changed when I turned 13: women were suddenly rude to me, and men treated me like I wanted to have sex with them. It was very confusing and not a good experience. The innocence of childhood was chipped away somewhat, when internally, I was the same little kid I was the year before.

    Clearly, the solution to this problem is to completely destroy a man’s life. Now, I tried to use my imagination to think of some lesser punishment, but I just couldn’t. Because of my powerful Imagination, I was only able to see two choices. One, we let the guy completely off in all cases, two, we completely destroy him no matter what.

    I can see no other possible alternatives. Sure sucks for the guy. At least he isn’t a woman. So there is that. Cause women already have it hard. So very, very hard.

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  97. two and a half men is what real game is about. look at charlie sheen both in the show and real life!

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  98. Pass. Not going to watch Twilight, no matter how better written it is (then again, is a really low bar).

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  99. “” The writers took the easy way out, which is too bad, because this show could have been more than merely entertaining. It could have been a cultural touchstone “”

    Well said.

    They had to.

    To create a more realistic cad of a character would mean that the audience would be almost certainly halved.
    Men would love it , women would hate it and accuse the show and all involved of mysogyny.

    It wasn’t all that long ago that the rules were , Old enough to bleed , old enough to breed.

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  100. on July 8, 2010 at 9:25 pm Capt. Obvious

    I am surprised that no one has remarked on the Twilight Saga: Edward Cullen, played by 24-year-old Robert Patterson, is a heart throb to tween & teen girls all over the USA.

    Yet, parents seem not to care that their precious little tween and teen girls are getting their panties wet for a 24-year-old man.

    In fact, I bet the Twilight Saga will only make more young girls long for a “mature” man to take care of them & defend them (LOL!).

    Even the character Jacob Black, played by 18-year-old Taylor Lautner, didn’t become popular with girls until the second movie where he buffed himself up like some bodybuilder (I wonder if he took steriods?).

    Proof that even very young girls like masculine men.

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  101. I think 16 as the age of consent is perfectly fine! 16 is young and nubile enough for me cuz personally I dont want to really fuck a ninth grader! I do think it is a stupid law though cuz to me either you forcibly raped her or you didnt. no gray area no yeah buts! Its wack that a 22 yr old who messes with a 17 year old is considered a sexual predator and has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life essentially fucking his life up!

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  102. http://www.ageofconsent.com/florida.htm

    There is a website dedicated to “age of consent”. In Florida its 16……if you are 24 or younger.

    Miranda Kerr is beautiful, thought I’d share that with those who admire beauty. Thats a lovely face.

    [editor: kerr is indeed a ravishing beauty. sproing!]

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  103. David Duchovny looks great here.

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  104. I’m not talking about men who truly think the girl is of legal age. Of course, if a man doesn’t realize he’s breaking the law or taking advantage of a situation, it’s tragic that he should suffer the same consequence as a man who does.

    I was referencing men who know the girl is underage, and because of their desire for her, disregard the law. The idea that just because a girl has her period and a C-cup she is ready to lose her virginity and have sex with men, is crazy. It makes as much sense to me to say just because a child can physically work and earn money, he/she should quit school and work full-time to support herself.

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  105. Kate–

    Kate

    Just because a girl has the body of an older woman and flirts and is receptive to male advances, doesn’t me she wants to have sex with you. Many times she is flirting is uncalculating because she is responding to hormones and curiosity. And when an older man, especially, comes on to her, it can be intimidating. So smiles and giggles are really out of nervousness and a desire not to make him angry.

    What utter unmitigated drivel.

    Teenage girls including pretty young teen girls with well developed bodies are generally INTOXICATED with their newly ripe sexual attractive POWER over boys and often especially younger men. They play with it, try it out, and revel in it generally. Now sure there are other much less early maturing young teen girls who are very different, but they’re not usually the ones attracting big attention from older guys, or older guys attempts to seem disinterested, and so on.

    So smiles and giggles are really out of nervousness and a desire not to make him angry.

    You totally whitewash the power games that hot young teen girls play. They DEFINITELY feel their power and revel in it, the hot ones do, by and large.

    Now it’s true that if an older guy comes on to fast to a teen girl’s flirting, expecting a lot from her soon, she can get scared and back off. To a good degree this is true of most girls including much older ones as well, but yes, a good lot less so.

    If a teen girl is having full sex with anyone, why can’t it be a highly attractive older guy as much as one her age or a year older?

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  106. on July 8, 2010 at 10:48 pm Steve Johnson

    “The idea that just because a girl has her period and a C-cup she is ready to lose her virginity and have sex with men, is crazy.”

    Isn’t it convenient when your oh so strong moral intuition just happens to be in your own interest in restricting competition from much more attractive women?

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  107. Kate–

    Of course, if a man doesn’t realize he’s breaking the law

    Sometimes the law is shitte. Most feminist lobbied for laws are shiite.

    Setting 18 as the age of consent as feminists lobbied successfully to do in quite a few states including Cali is an extreme outlier in world comparison, and uber feminist shiite.

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  108. Kate, keep in mind we dont expect it to make sense to you your a woman and automatically biased in reality this is man talk we are not looking for nor do we need a womans opinion on the subject! As much you like to think that your making an important point your not what your saying is not registering with anybody and truthfully and respectfully of course your wasting your time!

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  109. on July 8, 2010 at 11:07 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    @Gorbachev

    “It’s using a jackhammer to kill a slug. It’s gross overkill, and you have to wonder why so much overkill is required.”

    The reason it is required is because of the potential ramifications. The potential of destroying a person’s life is great enough, with enough possibility of the worst happening that our lawmakers felt the need for severe punishment was justified.

    Kinda like why many states have laws against firecrackers. When used by people with a brain, firecrackers are lots of fun. But, enough dumb people ended up in hopistals with blown off hands that lawmakers in the nanny state decided that it was safer to outlaw them.

    Not saying it is right, just explaining why it happened.

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  110. Kate its not crazy because a period and c cup breast is natures way of saying your ready to have a baby!

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  111. It was not uncommon in a recent past to see 14s and 15s getting married. Some countries have the tradition of “debutant balls” in wich the woman’s birthday of 15 was used to show the girl to society to get married. Today they’re just big bday parties, but the original meaning was something like a ritual that would separate girls and women. A man who’s interested for 13s is a ephebophile at maximum. There was no pedo bullshit in the healthier past.

    Also, making women to marry at early ages and having kids is a good way to prevent them from getting corrupted and become the sluts the are nowadays.

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  112. on July 9, 2010 at 12:03 am Smashing_Retards

    Anonymouses imagined:

    The reason it is required is because of the potential ramifications. The potential of destroying a person’s life is great enough, with enough possibility of the worst happening that our lawmakers felt the need for severe punishment was justified.

    Does anyone believe a 15 year old girl voluntarily losing her virginity to a 25 year old man DESTROYS HER LIFE?

    I’m sorry, I’ve tried to LEARN how to IMAGINE. I’ve tried very hard. But I’m drawing a blank here. I really am.

    It destroys her life?

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  113. Jesus Oh Lord, but David Duchovny is such a bad actor. It is so bad it makes me laugh. Jesus, so fucking completely bad acting. Period.

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  114. on July 9, 2010 at 12:05 am Smashing_Retards

    As proof of my attempt to imagine, I decided every girl that has sex with an older man is a virgin.

    I mean really, that’s some powerful imagination there. I tried. I tried so hard.

    Yet I still can’t IMAGINE that her life was destroyed by voluntary sex with an older man.

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  115. If I see you anywhere near my “physically developed” 13-year-old you’re a dead man.

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  116. Doug1 and Steve Johnson,

    Out of the three of us, I’m fairly sure I’m the only one with knowledge about what a teen girl with well-developed body feels like…since I was one and all that.

    I can only speak for myself by saying I disliked the extreme sexual attention I received by boys my age up to men who were older than my parents–frequently. It was nice to feel boys liked me, but when it shifted to blatant sexual attention, it was tough and actually made me feel like a bad person. I could barely process what they were saying and what they meant, as a young girl.

    Teenagers are not the best at making decisions for themselves. This is why there is a drinking age, voting age, an age when one can join the military and so on. It keeps people from making stupid mistakes and becoming damaged, fragmented members of society.

    If an older man has honorable intentions and wants to marry a young female, I think that’s absolutely fine. It’s the predatory nature of using and abusing people when they are at a disadvantage that makes me uncomfortable.

    I remember going into my bathroom at 14 years old or so and looking at myself trying to figure out what all the hoopla was about. I was sincerely confused.

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  117. @ Dad,

    You’d be better off looking into buying one of these.

    And stop blaming the men… the young woman has much more power than you give her credit for – and she knows it!

    Move to a heavily Catholic South American country if you want “virtue” to matter. Shaming women is the only alternative.

    Most women in the west today are losing their virginity at 14, and that usually means some heavy petting by the age of 12 to 13… as it was all the way back in the early 1980’s when I discovered pussy or the first time.

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  118. Dad
    Your perfect girl-child can”t talk to you right now because my cock is way down her throat. But she has sort of gargled out a message to you…
    Dad,if you touch me that way again I will have Rum beat yur fat ass.

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  119. Kate I get the point your trying to make. Your saying that a women isnt emotionally ready to have sex at a young age. That is a result of improper socialization i.e. your mother and society at large didnt properly prepare you for womanhood! The answer isnt statutory rape laws its women do your damn job lol

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  120. The show sucks. Only Gorba Gay and his assistant anouk bitch can like it. Fuck you all.

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  121. kate

    bull-fucking-shit

    i was a teenaged girl once too, in the before time, in the long, long ago, about 150 years ago in the 80’s

    when i was 12 my friends and i got boobies and lived for male attention. we registered the reactions men of ALL ages had for us and revelled in it. we loved our sexuality and its unbridled power and never felt uncomfortable or weird about it, we knew what we wanted and we wanted it a LOT.

    if you felt that way about yourself there was something wrong with you–period. this makes you an outlier, not an authority in what your gender thinks. in fact, i don’t recall ever speaking to ONE single girl who felt weird about male sexual attention except for ugly losers who never got any male attention but ran around insisting all men were “raping” them with their eyes.

    who the fuck are you broads trying to fool?

    teenaged girls used to get married and have 3 babies and RUN WHOLE HOUSEHOLDS by 20. give me a fucking break. how do you live under the weight of lies you carry around in your heads all the time.

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  122. speaking as someone who was a teen girl not too long ago… i both agree and disagree with kate. getting attention from older men when i was 12-13 (some of the sketchiest stuff, probably more prevalent in the big city i grew up in… a waiter slipped a piece of paper into my hand that had his number on it, some guy gave me his “official” photographer card out of the blue once, etc.) was thrilling and exciting, but it was also scary. sure i may have looked “ready” but i really wasn’t, at least until i was legally an adult. but that’s me, i consider myself a late bloomer (emotionally at least), most other girls are probably ready around 16-17, with guys their age or a few years older… from what i’ve seen, only the sluttiest or craziest drama queen-esque teenage girls ‘date’ much older men at that. i put ‘date’ in quotes because the girls think they’re much more serious when the older man is usually just using them for sex.

    honestly when i was getting all that attention i was also ashamed (i developed earlier and was teased about it by other girls so that was probably part of why). we definitely shouldn’t teach girls to be ashamed of their bodies like i was, but i think a good dose of shame can be good for taming teenage girls and women in general, curbing our more attention-seeking behaviors and making us at least try to be more respectable. i also come from a more conservative, traditional culture that smacks down suggestive appearance and behavior (that crosses from ‘lovely pretty young woman who is a delight to look at and interact with’ into ‘slutty and uses her physical attractiveness to use people rather than being a good person’ territory) right quick. my upbringing (and having a loving family) has definitely kept me from becoming the mess i see in some of my friends, especially those that come from broken families… they are incredibly jaded about people, love, life, everything, or they sleep around because they believe that they are “empowering” themselves through one-night stands, they’re potheads, they try to force boys who’ll never be into them into relationships by clinging to them for dear life, etc., basically lots of hot messes. i wonder if the girls who sleep around and “party hard” ever think “omg how would my parents/brother/auntie feel if they knew i ever did this?!?” probably not, because their family is not crucial to their sense of self. and *that* is the problem.

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  123. “Out of the three of us, I’m fairly sure I’m the only one with knowledge about what a teen girl with well-developed body feels like…since I was one and all that.

    I can only speak for myself by saying I disliked the extreme sexual attention I received by boys my age up to men who were older than my parents–frequently.”

    Actually, I had a “well-developed” body as a teen too. (I consider a C-cup at 110 lbs. to be “well developed.”) I dislike attention so if anyone noticed my breasts, I’m sure I’d have been aware of it. (I personally disliked their size at that age because I’d have loved to been able to go bra-less.) It’s totally possible to breeze through the teen years developed and not drawing attention. What type of environment/ geographic region did you grow up in? If you grow up in a godforsaken wasteland, rural equivalent (Think: Appalachia meets defunct former industrial town) where underage drinking is a recreational activity because social options are limited, it’s completely possible to slip under the radar if you don’t drink. I’m guessing you had a more suburban or urban upbringing, where physical appearance actually matters?

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  124. didn’t see dana’s comment before i posted… it is a perfect example of the corrupted “RAWR my sexuality equals POWER and there is NOTHING wrong with me using it to its fullest extent” mindset i mentioned. “sex-positive” feminist bullshit. yes getting male attention is fun and thrilling, but women should not use their sexuality to tease or use men, and teenage girls love to try this out, which is why there needs to be more of a protecting, rules-enforcing culture. honestly i find it strange that you *didn’t* feel uncomfortable with your sexuality and the power it had at any point, even with the danger of that power being overpowered. makes me think that you and your friends were probably pretty slutty, and that you could’ve used some more familial supervision.

    also for those of you saying that teenage girls used to get married and have children at earlier ages as if that serves as justification for teenage girls sleeping around… remember that this was/is in societies that are FAMILY-focused. modern western society is not. sleeping around when you’re raised to be selfish and still childlike is MUCH different from getting married at 13 in a society where you’re raised to be responsible in a household even as a child. i know this, my grandmother was married at 14, my mother at 18 and her first child at 21. they both had very different upbringings than i did and grew up in very different societies.. even though my parents have instilled our homeland’s traditional values in me, it is EXTREMELY rare that someone is completely old-fashioned when raised in america, it is pretty much impossible to stave off the more self-focused mindset. the best you can hope for is a good mix of the two mindsets.

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  125. Name & Hmm
    OK, but what is the real price? I mean, for the entrance fee? VISA or MASTERCARD?

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  126. Ah, such an interesting topic. I follow the principle of Maximum Sustainable Yield, the food has to be old enough to have had a chance to reproduce so as to not deplete the population, but anything after that is fair game – as much as possible, too.

    The individuals at the younger end past that minimum threshold tend to be the tastier, a more delicate flavour that can be appreciated. Older food in general tends to be more leathery, and with too much of a rank, dominant taste. I tend to remove any food of those characteristics I come across, even if their taste is unpalatable. They no longer serve a reproductive purpose and only consume resources better spent on the next generation of tasty morsels.

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  127. “VISA or MASTERCARD?”

    Mmm, screw that. Not with those merchant fees. They add up quickly.

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  128. huh?

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  129. this site continues to be an echo chamber of retarded idiot faggots.

    good luck with your fantasies of blowing Roissy, dudes.

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  130. Twilight puts paid to the idea that Teen Girls don’t long for a much older guy who looks young. Cullen is supposed to be over 100 years old.

    Back in the day, when he was on terrestrial radio, Howard Stern queried various actresses when they lost their virginity: Sarah Michelle Gellar, Eliza Dushku, Alison Hannigan, Laura Prepon, Katie Holmes. The age was generally 16-17, and the guy was “much older” (i.e. about 15 years older) which was what they liked about him. Teen girls who have the power to make that choice (because their earning power makes them functional adults) go nuts for older guys. Mr. Darcy was about 11 years older than Elizabeth Bennet in Pride and Prejudice. Though Lizzie was about 21 or so, considered an old maid.

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  131. I can understand the need to draw the line somewhere. I do believe that most 13 year olds are too young to handle the attentions of older men. I believe that America should draw the line where Australia has it, at 16. I think we can also understand that just cause a girl bleeds and has tits doesn’t mean shes not a sexually inexperienced retard.

    During university one of my jobs was managing a fast food restaurant. The owner would regularly hire 15-16 year old girls. These girls were just awakening sexually. They would flirt with some older guys and were developing their first relationships. However we did have a group of young men, 18-23 that were also sexually inexperiences (ie: unskilled) that would end up flirting with these girls and then coming on way to strong. It would often be my job to tell these guys that they were risking their jobs and reputations by assuming these girls were on their level. If they quietly coaxed these girls over time i honestly don’t think it would of been that much of a problem.

    by assuming that just because someone bleeds and has tits makes it ok for them too be your fuck puppet is just wrong. I think most people are advocating that just because thats what they want from these girls. It’s a poor attempt to rationalize it into acceptance. I have no problem with 16 year olds entering the sexual market. But the physical-mental age gap does exist, and should be protected. I think an appropriate age group for this is anything upto 16.

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  132. I’m from a small town in Estonia (age of consent is 14). Seriously, the stuff Kate has been spouting about insecurity and so on is pure unfiltered bullshit, which anyone with some observational skills can refute. So, let’s see:

    Just because a girl has the body of an older woman and flirts and is receptive to male advances, doesn’t me she wants to have sex with you

    How come all the girls dressing femininely start having sex at the age of 14? All the hot girls in my class had boyfriends few years older than them (with cars!, to get a full driver’s license you have to be 18 in here) at the age of 14-15 and were doing the nasty stuff. If one didn’t have someone to have sex with at that age, it meant they were infinitely low status and therefore a bullying target.

    Many times she is flirting is uncalculating because she is responding to hormones and curiosity. And when an older man, especially, comes on to her, it can be intimidating. So smiles and giggles are really out of nervousness and a desire not to make him angry.

    I don’t know where you are from, but on this planet if a woman doesn’t like a man, she tells him to get the fuck out. You are just projecting your insecurities caused by your ugliness on other people.

    I’m not talking about men who truly think the girl is of legal age. Of course, if a man doesn’t realize he’s breaking the law or taking advantage of a situation, it’s tragic that he should suffer the same consequence as a man who does.

    Yes, you were, but because of the backlash you got you are now just trying to soften your words. Oh, and it’s tragic? You don’t even know the meaning of the word, for fuck’s sake.
    trag·ic   [traj-ik] Show IPA
    –adjective
    1.
    characteristic or suggestive of tragedy: when you wake up on a Monday morning at 9:05 am because your boss called and find that your jeans are stuck to the leather couch that you bought last week.
    Also, goes to show that you want every man to suffer. That’s the difference between ‘should’ and ‘could’.

    I was referencing men who know the girl is underage, and because of their desire for her, disregard the law. The idea that just because a girl has her period and a C-cup she is ready to lose her virginity and have sex with men, is crazy. It makes as much sense to me to say just because a child can physically work and earn money, he/she should quit school and work full-time to support herself.

    Stupid laws are meant to be overturn. If she isn’t having sex with men, she’s having sex with boys. There are lots of countries in the world where that actually happens, by the way. But because you are one good example of a spoiled femicunt that has everything handed to her on the silver platter with a servant with white gloves by the government and the society, you wouldn’t even understand that, would you? After you have finished reading this post and if you are fully sure that you understood even 25% of the concepts presented here, try one day of waking up at 4:00 in the morning, working in the field till 11:00, 3 hours break and then back to work till 9:00. That means working full-time.

    Out of the three of us, I’m fairly sure I’m the only one with knowledge about what a teen girl with well-developed body feels like…since I was one and all that.

    Oh look at me, I am a woman. I know woman stuff! Yes, women really do know all about themselves. A female friend of mine didn’t know there was a difference between hygienic pads and incontinence pads (she was 21+).

    I can only speak for myself by saying I disliked the extreme sexual attention I received by boys my age up to men who were older than my parents–frequently. It was nice to feel boys liked me, but when it shifted to blatant sexual attention, it was tough and actually made me feel like a bad person. I could barely process what they were saying and what they meant, as a young girl.

    Exactly, so unless you show some research with proper statistics done by an objective party, stop projecting your own insecurity on other women.

    Teenagers are not the best at making decisions for themselves. This is why there is a drinking age, voting age, an age when one can join the military and so on. It keeps people from making stupid mistakes and becoming damaged, fragmented members of society.

    Of course they are not, because you don’t actually let them make anything themselves. How can one learn when one can’t even try to make any mistakes? Have you seen anyone get good at math without solving assignments? Or someone building a house for himself without having built 2 houses before for other people? Didn’t think so. Their fragmentation is because their parents are trying to overprotect them. For example, my father didn’t allow me to go swimming alone until I was 15 or so (few days ago I found out that it was because had almost drowned at the age of 10). Guess what? I’m still a fucking bad swimmer and trying to improve at something at the age of 20 is much harder than having learned it at the proper age.

    If an older man has honorable intentions and wants to marry a young female, I think that’s absolutely fine. It’s the predatory nature of using and abusing people when they are at a disadvantage that makes me uncomfortable.

    What you actually meant to say was that if an older handsome wealthy man, etc.

    I remember going into my bathroom at 14 years old or so and looking at myself trying to figure out what all the hoopla was about. I was sincerely confused.

    Let me guess, you had sex ed at school, but your parents never explained the implications or gave some advice about the opposite sex besides
    ‘so, you like ?’
    -‘yeah, dad/mom.’
    ‘ok then.’
    That’s a shortcoming of your mother/grandmother/female friends (if you had any) and blaming the consequences of that on the whole male sex is ridiculous.

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  133. Comentaul-

    The show is no prize piece but it pushes some boundaries, and I can respect that. I don’t watch a lot of TV these days but I liked it when I caught it on. Do you always insult those whose tastes stray from your own? What a treat you must be in real life. Let me buy you a beer there hot head…cool you down some.

    Whiskey-

    I have to agree with you. Among the hundreds or so women I have chatted with over the years re: loss of virginity age it averaged around 17. Agreed on the age gap of the man being ten-ish years older is ideal as well, as I’ve mentioned here before. The dynamic is naturally in his favor. If I’ve been on the planet longer than a guy it’s hard to take orders or advice on life from him.

    Side note added on–there seems to be a correlation between women who like younger guys also care greatly about his looks. These same findings redound their masculine ways and their ‘ineffectiveness’ in the looks department themselves. My more pushy/ambitious female friends like their men young and hot. My more feminine friends like their men older and care much less about looks.

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  134. @Comentaul
    The show sucks. Only Gorba Gay and his assistant anouk bitch can like it. Fuck you all.

    I can’t speak for my charming assistant Anouk, but Gorbagay (note spelling, please) thought season 1 was pretty entertaining.

    I usually watch it after killing chickens with my bare hands out in the barn and hanging out with my gay buds down by the rifle range. For fun I sometimes chew raw bloody meat while I’m watching Californication, too, because cooking is for weak-willed straight people, not for we tough huge-balled fags.

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  135. Hi Name,

    I grew up in in a suburban and conservative area. Maybe it is kind of weird what I experienced and how it made me feel.

    hmm,

    It’s nice to read about similar feelings. I also would consider myself a late bloomer emotionally speaking.

    Dana,

    If you feel powerful and enjoy the attention, then good for you. I don’t relate.

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  136. I also would like to add that I think dating older men is great and have always preferred it myself — but not until I was emotionally able to handle the relationship.

    Regarding girls losing their virginity at 16, I didn’t and neither did any of my friends. Most all remained virgins until they married, or only had sex with the man the eventually married.

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  137. Check out this guy General Butt Naked.

    He murders, rapes, now he’s a preacher and you know he gets all the poon:
    http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-8-of-8

    He got all the poon when he was a warlord. Now he gets it being a preacher.

    He’s a modern-day African version of Shaft: kills his foes, fucks all da hoes.

    One look at him should explain a lot about why blacks are the way they are; black women have been selecting bucks like him over the herbish losers for generations.

    You could capture his sweat, bottle it and sell it to would-be alphas around the world.

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  138. @Anouk
    Side note added on–there seems to be a correlation between women who like younger guys also care greatly about his looks. These same findings redound their masculine ways and their ‘ineffectiveness’ in the looks department themselves. My more pushy/ambitious female friends like their men young and hot. My more feminine friends like their men older and care much less about looks.

    Hey. This is true. I’ve noticed this. Lawyer chicks like stacked guys and hard sex. A lot of ambitious women don’t really know what to do with men when they get them – just look at them a lot. Is it the status thing – they get to show their friends?

    Women who like older guys – like to be dominated and led. Might explain a lot, actually. They also tend to be more feminine. How interesting.

    Incidentally, Anouk, the only time I ever approached jail bait, the woman (can’t bring myself to say girl) said that she only liked older men, thought younger men were useless, and she was mature all-around. But it was 15 years, not 10. BUT: She *looked* 22-25. Honestly, because of the cultural background I have, had I known she was 17, I’d have sighed, admired from afar and not touched.

    But I first swore based on her personality and overall demeanor that she was over 20. She was unfazed by the age gap. Neither were her friends. In fact, I was considered something of a (discardable) prize. And she didn’t take me all that seriously, either; it was fun and mildly emotional and semi-serious in a flirtatious kind-of way, on the assumption that it was going absolutely nowhere. Of course, this was also in China, so the dynamic was very different. She left hte relationship entirely unharmed and I used my motto: Always leave the object of affection better off than when you arrived. I just applied it doubly so. Would a dimply 18-year-old have done this, or would he have been more of a pussy?

    Anyway, she liked older men, though not necessarily 15-year-older men.

    But it appalls me that if I were in California, I’d have gone to *jail*. No chance to escape: it’s *statutory*, no conditions or considerations. I’d have a criminal record and be scarred for life. Even if she’d approached me, befriended me and made her interest clear and unmistakable. And her first partner was also older than her (27).

    There’s no end of 35-40 year-old guys *marrying* 19-23 year-old women in places like China. Of course, these guys have money and they’re basically buying pretty young wives. But if it’s just for sex–

    I was told by another woman I was with for 2 years that her first sexual experience was at the age of 16 with a guy 12 years older than her. She said she’d also sought it out and was more than ready. She grew up in NJ. I checked with another woman: First sex at 16, man was 25. Also very positive. State: AZ. Neither set of parents knew.

    I could do a poll, but I suspect I’d find a pattern with some women. Neither of the two women I asked were damaged at all; in fact, both had fond memories of their first partners. They were extremely balanced people.

    My best friend in highschool had an affair with a 31-year-old when he was 18. It was one of my dreams, alas, but one that never happened.

    I’d never have looked for it. It just happened. What about a 26 year-old woman with a 17 year-old guy? Jail?

    I’m not saying it’s always good news, I’m just saying absolute laws that crack down on peoples’ heads are not necessarily a social good.

    Frustrating. I understand guarding our daughters. But the response is a little much.

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  139. @fedrz
    Of course 13-year-old girls have power. They are pretty much drunk on power and out of control much of the time. That’s why Dads have to draw an absolute line in the sand when 30-something playas like Roissy declare sexual open season on them. Go there and you will die. Statutory rape laws that make you worry about checking to find out if a girl is old enough may cramp your style, but that’s better than the alternative – death at my hand.

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  140. Of course the main reason older women in both US political parties are trying to increase the age of consent, in state after state, is in order to block competition and punish men for wanting, in general, younger women. It is the same principle that is behind trying to “regulate the mail order bride industry” via laws like IMBRA. It is also the principle behind women getting massive punitive divorce settlements when a man has been “unfaithful” with a younger woman.

    Proof of this is in the outrageously unconstitutional Florida law that says an adult can have sex with a 16 year old but not if he has reached his 24th birthday.

    This law shows there is ZERO intention of protecting a minor from being gang banged.

    The football team can do your daughter but not their coach or me.

    I can’t believe this law hasn’t been struck down yet…but don’t count on Republican judges helping here (the conservatives in the Supreme Court except Kennedy voted to make the film American Beauty illegal).

    It is either illegal for an adult to have sex with a teen or it is not! What is this bullshit about a 23 year old being OK but a 24 year old not OK?

    Why and where the Hell are plaintiffs and pundits openly challenging this in court and the media?

    Delaware has a similar law that says you become a felon if you turn 30 in your sleep with a 17 year old girlfriend in your bed. I sleep with a 17 year old at least once per year overseas. New York, New Jersey, Texas and other states at least allow 17 to be legal.

    In Delaware and Florida it is perfectly fine for a slut to be getting gang banged by the football team but if the COACH participates he becomes a felon in many US states.

    And why? Because the coach’s wife and her friends in both political parties in these and other states wants to control him sexually…to try to keep him loyal.

    And White Knighters deny they could ever be sexually attracted to a 17 year old under any circumstances while also implying they could never be attracted to anyone of college age because they might be someone younger who looks more mature.

    It is important to keep this men’s rights issue front and center. Most American men don’t have the guts anymore to stand up to the trend of increasing the age of consent in various US states + the vicious tendency for white knighting police and prosecutors to demand absolute accountability which says that, even if the teen showed you a fake ID, you are still a criminal.

    You can hear the crickets chirping as the ex-NFL star LT gets persecuted by the state of NY on the specific charges of having sex with a 16 year old who SAID SHE WAS 19 in a state that recently raised the age of consent from 16 to 17.

    The prosecutor does not deny that the “victim” stated to him that she was 19 and that LT believed her.

    I think the reason for men shutting up and taking this and most Feminist/Evangelical anti-male laws is that Google makes our names searchable.

    Before 1995, a man could go voice his disapproval of a new law and not have this fact as well as any shaming response to it instantly found by someone searching your name after a job interview or before a date with you.

    Google’s ability to present shaming rhetoric to people checking up on us, made the world more politically correct and anti-male.

    At least anonymously via comments in the conservative blogosphere, it is important that men tell the Republican Party to stop white knighting and leave the age of consent 16 everywhere it still is.

    —————-

    Men in places where the age of consent has been raised to 18 are being blackmailed just like in Californication.

    I know this because a 17 year old, not knowing she was of age where she lived, tried and failed to blackmail me this past spring. When you break up with women that age, they try to lash out this way.

    When I told her the age of consent was 16, her face fell.

    “Darn it all” she thought. “I could have had something on this guy, I could have gotten revenge for his breaking up with me.”

    Meanwhile the 4 main conservatives on the US Supreme Court will not reverse California’s 18 law, saying it unfairly infringes on the Right to Assemble and procreate. it is the one men’s rights issue that has the least support in the GOP, where many blowhard politicians are still ostensibly against premarital sex itself.

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  141. I watched the first season of this tv show and then gave up on it. I noticed the same cliched bullshit you did. I also gave up on two and a half men for the same reason.

    Age of consent laws I suppose come from white knights.

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  142. @Dad
    Statutory rape laws that make you worry about checking to find out if a girl is old enough may cramp your style, but that’s better than the alternative – death at my hand.

    This I’ll buy.

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  143. And don’t get me started on the Protect Act which, as originally passed by Congress, said an American overseas can be charged with a felony if he sleeps with a 17 year old in any country. Congress effectively made me a felon at the time (if I were to confess or something).

    Congress basically said that it didn’t matter that Germany has an age of consent of 15 or Russia has an age of consent of 16. The arrogant US Senators also said it didn’t matter if the age of consent was 16 in your home state.

    It took common sense judges in the federal courts to reduce overseas criminality to those who mess with 15 or younger, but now foreign criminals need only to threaten an American that they will go the US Embassy and say “he talked sexually with my 15 year old daughter” in order to blackmail him.

    Suddenly said for the first time in human history that the citizens of a country are, while overseas, subject to their home country’s laws for things they do overseas not related to treason.

    This law made us *belong* to the US government for the first time in history.

    Soon after the Protect Act passed, we got the new laws saying we cannot have foreign bank accounts go unreported.

    Still…if you murder someone overseas, you cannot be charged for this in the USA, even if you murder another American. You must be charged in the jurisdiction it happened.

    But Feminists, Marxists and Evangelicals don’t know or care about this principle. They want to control you everywhere you can possibly go.

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  144. on July 9, 2010 at 3:41 am Tupac Chopra

    @Dad —

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  145. on July 9, 2010 at 3:51 am Cannon's Canon

    ohhh shit pac, where you been at???

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  146. Completely off topic, I’m wondering if I could get some feedback on a pickup attempt with a restaurant hostess.

    Encounter 1: I’m being seated by a cute hostess. I chit chat with no real intent on pickup. Out of the blue she introduces herself, offers her hand, and says she has noticed me eating there before. (It’s local and I’m there once every 1-2 weeks by myself or with friends.) We talk for a few minutes more before she gets back to work.

    As I leave I say goodnight to her and she perks up and says “hey, when are you coming back in?” I should have had a better reply, but I was in a hurry and I said something like “Just depends on when I’m in the mood for Italian” with a grin. Her response: “Just depends…hmmm…well I work XYZ nights” with a grin of her own.

    Encounter 2: A week or so later I go in for a late lunch / early dinner. She seats me and we end up talking for about 15 minutes before she gets back to work. Again I have something else on my mind and am not quite in the frame of trying to pick her up. I’m also wondering a bit about her age. As I leave we end up talking again for another 10 minutes or so. She seems engaged and interested when I talk to her. I kick myself as I walk out for not asking her out then and there, but I’m still wondering about her age.

    Encounter 3: A couple weeks go by (too long?) and I head over there. She’s there and she seats me. We end up talking about July 4th and she tells me about hanging out at a few local bars and getting a bit wasted (good age indicator unless she’s lying or has a fake ID). I tease her a bit about that and tell her about my July 4th. She seems completely engaged with our conversation, happy to see me, a bit flirty, etc. so I ask her out.

    Her response threw me: “I’m not really comfortable with that.”

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before and I had no idea how to respond. I didn’t fall apart or anything, but I didn’t have a good reply either. I almost feel like she made an effort to draw me in, then rejected, and I’m clueless as to where I went wrong.

    * Did I just give off a beta vibe I wasn’t aware of? Does “not comfortable” mean “no gina tingle”?

    * Do I intimidate her for some reason? She certainly has never acted that way. I’ve never forced conversation with her and feel like she has been the initiator.

    * Is it because my entire interaction with her has been at her place of work?

    * Did too much time go by?

    I don’t feel weird about it (i.e. I’ll still eat there) and don’t care that much except that I can’t seem to decipher “not comfortable” and where I went wrong.

    Thoughts?

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  147. on July 9, 2010 at 4:04 am Cannon's Canon

    DT:

    your kicker was when you whiffed on asking her out after #2. i forced myself to read the rest, but it was a mental effort of good faith and perhaps 5% doubting of my own common sense.

    seriously: declare sharia law, cut off her hands, ravish her remaining limbs and torso, then revel in the stumpy pawing she gives you in adoration of your physical splendor. this is the best way to game (american) girls.

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  148. on July 9, 2010 at 4:07 am Cannon's Canon

    WHY THE FUCK IS MY GRAVATAR PRETTY IN PINK??? DAY DALLAS THE DOG IS STILL A CARTOON, BUT I AM A KALEIDOSCOPE? CRUSH KILL DESTROY WORDPRESS

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  149. Dana,
    I really liked your response to Kate.

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  150. @DT

    Its not off topic if you failed to act because you were afraid of white knighting police and prosecutors messing with you over the possible results of a full grown woman flirting with you. But she sounds 18 if she’s been to over 21 clubs.

    Yes, IMHO you waited far too long…and not so much because she would have said yes to the first request for a date if it had been said earlier, but because you would have had the information sooner that she was not being straightforward and that would have given YOU the power you finally now have.

    She lost power when you showed some courage. Now you can run the show. You could have started to run the show on the first encounter.

    The good thing is that she is ostensibly still into having conversations with you. Use this to advantage.

    Now you can talk with her about the guys she likes and dates and, without bitterness, about the other customers she admires in town.

    This could force her to admit that she likes you the best. You want her to admit this.

    You can also neg her by asking her if she has any cute friends or frequent customers who are so tall (taller than she is) and “really smart, I have to find someone on my intellectual level…can you introduce me to anyone like that”.

    Of course, if she has self esteem problems at a young age, negging can only confirm to her that she isn’t good enough for you. I’ve got some 18-21 year old women friends who believe that I’d not really be interested in them.

    I’d casually and tactfully get into a conversation with her about evolutionary biology. Remember that a lot of American young women are not being taught the basics about that and are, instead, being taught to be entitled feminists.

    Nip any early feminist beliefs in the bud. She’s not old enough yet to be mean and argumentative about that. That is another advantage to dating young women.

    The words “not comfortable” are, I believe, from Women’s Studies courses and feminism (including the feminist controlled US evangelical church system). I would have asked her the source of that phrase.

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  151. Wow. Kate, what else are women good for? Just for sex, that’s it. What other reason would men want to pursue them or talk to them?

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  152. Jerry – in all honesty, I did hesitate in encounter 2 because I wasn’t sure of her age. It was the thought that crossed my mind right before asking, and I said something else instead.

    It’s not the first time age crossed my mind and changed my actions. I once had a 17 year old friend-of-a-friend do everything in her power to start a relationship with me. And a pretty 17 yo has A LOT of power. I was 25 at the time. One of the worst temptations of my life. I didn’t do anything but flirt because of the thought of what the state could do over just 1 year. Naturally she had raging hormones and didn’t wait a year for me or the law. She ended up pregnant by some guy her age about 6 months later.

    The sad irony is that she lost more thanks to the state’s laws than I did. Baby daddy didn’t care about her or do anything but bolt. I would have thought of birth control and, at that time of my life, had it failed I’m sure I would have done “the right thing” and worked hard to build a life with her.

    I should be grateful because odds are at least 50/50 that it would not have worked and I would have been screwed by a few other state laws relating to divorce. But in the name of protecting her the state kept her away from a man who did care about her as a person, and would have been capable of supporting her, and into the arms of a boy who just wanted to wet his stick.

    She lost power when you showed some courage. Now you can run the show. You could have started to run the show on the first encounter.

    This is why I need friends into game (which I don’t have at the moment). I need to see guys with more experience operate, I need feedback on approaches, and I need different ideas. Not to mention sarging doesn’t work as well alone, at least for those of us who aren’t masters. I walked away with the mental assumption that there was nothing left to do in this case. You’re telling me the opposite is true.

    The good thing is that she is ostensibly still into having conversations with you. Use this to advantage.

    We chatted for a minute when I left. No mention of asking her out and I didn’t sense any weirdness, so yeah, I think she will still chat with me if she sees me in there.

    The words “not comfortable” are, I believe, from Women’s Studies courses and feminism

    I should have guessed. It left me for a loss of words for a moment. Had I been in a more sarcastic mood I probably would have had a lot of fun with it.

    I’m going to have to think about the rest of what you said and how to play this. Mentally I don’t really care if I get the pickup or not. But I would like to experiment and learn and if I could turn it around at a later time, it would be icing on the cake.

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  153. Wow. Kate, what else are women good for? Just for sex, that’s it. What other reason would men want to pursue them or talk to them?

    Some little beta part of me still believes that, properly raised in a decent culture, women would have more to offer men than just sex, and could contribute to strong families and a strong society.

    Too bad the closest thing I’ve seen to this ideal in real life is a Little House on the Prairie rerun.

    In modern, liberal, feminist America I’ve been forced to come to the regrettable conclusion that most women are worth nothing more than the pleasure their bodies can give a man. Feminism promised to make women more than mere sex objects, ironically at a time when women were already much more to most men. It then degraded women to the point that no man wants them for more than sex. They’ve become what they hated, sex toys which are respected by no man.

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  154. @DT,

    I guess we’re finally back to Game.

    This was sad. I feel for the lost opportunity. More happiness that could have been in the universe, and man and a woman not together when they could have been. Now gone. Wasted. I know how that feels. It’s a saddening thing.

    Some hindsight advice for ye:

    1) You blew after the second encounter. Imagine that sound effect from TV gameshows : NYAH Nyah nyah.
    You should have leaped when you had the chance. It was as open as it was ever going to be. You never turn that down.

    Let that be a lesson to you. Never toss a gift.

    I mean, seriously:

    She seats me and we end up talking for about 15 minutes before she gets back to work.

    Kaching. You bank on that. Walk that pony all the way home.

    Again I have something else on my mind and am not quite in the frame of trying to pick her up.

    ??? Let that be a lesson to you: You need to take the opportunity when it comes, or stop crying when it’s gone.

    I’m also wondering a bit about her age.

    Leave that for later. If she’s too young, bail the fuck out when you know and before anything happens.

    As I leave we end up talking again for another 10 minutes or so. She seems engaged and interested when I talk to her. I kick myself as I walk out for not asking her out then and there, but I’m still wondering about her age.

    This was the mistake you made, the biggest one. You had another 10 minutes.

    I’m assuming she’s talking to you voluntarily and enthusiastically, and not just putting up with a creepy guy. I’m going to assume this.

    2) You let too much time go by. Any attraction you had built up was gone by this point. Who knows what happened in between your stop-ins.

    3) When she rejected you, you handled it poorly. Respond to her with a joke and a neg. Never argue her point. She says she’s not comfortable, you don’t argue with her (as I’m sure you know). Make it funny and lower the temperature.

    “Discomfort becomes you / looks good on you.”

    “Shiny new leather couch uncomfortable or old plastic chair uncomfortable?” Joke and leave on a few funny remarks and some banter. Try again next time, after you build some rapport – again.

    4) You have no idea why she rejected you. You should have banked it, smiled internally, and said: Then next time.

    Possible reasons she said no, which might not have been a rejection of you:

    No longer attracted; you were clueless (seem beta, not as interesting); she’s found another target (you waited too long); you seemed too try-hard, but get her comfortable and she’ll be fine; she wants tighter game (she’s not feeling it for some reason any more).

    There’s also one reason you might want to consider. It’s not that likely, but possible. I include it just as an example to show you that you have no idea why she declined you.

    When she “came on” to you, she might have been right before her period, and hence relatively horny. Don’t discount this: some women, though not all by any measure, do crazy shit for about 3-7 days a month, including pick up random guys.

    I’ve seen it for years, and once you know what to look for, it’s relatively easy to spot. You have to adjust your game accordingly: You go for it right away, it’s time-limited, and it’s what they want, in their hind-brains. You need to bite down hard, and stop pussyfooting around. Don’t lose frame or throw away the art, but be efficient. You can almost smell it, if you train yourself to know what to look for.

    I found this by watching/examining/smelling (seriously) women with me in STRs and LTRs, then extrapolating to the behavior of women I met initially. There’s just something very mildly insistent and manic about women in this state, a 5% variance on what they’d do normally. It’s mondo subtle, but tantalizingly real, nonetheless. They’re just a bit more energetic, they’re more wolf-like when they look at men, they seem just slightly more on edge, more happy to see you, talk to a man, than they should be. Not much. But in a particular way, and they get a look in their eyes: like they’re sizing you up, tasting you.

    I exaggerate not. Lots of PUAs will likely tell you they can see this.

    Women *barely register* that they even do this. They just think: the guy had that something (acceptably attractive, available, please fuck me), she felt braver than usual (someone someone someone please fuck me I need a man), we had that je-ne-sais-quoi (damn I need to get laid), her BF was being a dick (I need another dick to see if I like my BF), This guy’s not so bad (It’s been a while and I’m tired of celibacy and I really need a man’s tongue/dick/fingers in me now).

    They’ll rationalize that up the wazoo, but I’ve had a number of women explicitly tell me they were horny like bonobos and just had to get laid right fucking now if at all possible, and if it was going to happen with this guy (in these cases, me), then it might as well happen now instead of waiting a week or two. Often, they were coming on to their periods.

    This open window, if you encounter it, is time-sensitive. it’s a huge gift. You rarely get a second shot without the standard game drill. Bite down hard when you get it or toss it over.

    5) To ask directly, you need the right frame. If you’re guessing her age, then she’s young. A young girl will have a tighter ASD, mixed in with more fear and trepidation because she may also be worried about how you see her (this is less likely in your situation). You need to slip past her ASD, which means the direct assault is a bad plan: It’ll get her hackles up and then you need to get around those. But what you did was just walk right into her ASD as if you were a grunt in 1914 going over the top into machine-gun fire. What the hell was that?

    Bring more art to it. There were ways to draw her out without throwing your hat into the ring so directly. You’re also at her workplace, don’t forget, and there’s all kinds of layers you have to cover over to make it more comfortable there. Inappropriate/professional/watched/associates/friends/connections/whatever.

    You can suggest a whole range of ways to meet her without asking her out on a date. You need to be able to come up with some excuse: Something that says, I’m there for the excuse, not for you. This also shows sufficient disinterest on your part: She’s just along for the ride, you’re not doing something just for her. This walks her right through the ASD.

    Once through the ASD, it’s your game to screw up. Until then, you’re just whistling dixie.

    If you spoke to her for so long, capitalize on one of the things she’s into. You’re suddenly gong to the same park, then: “come by when I go, you can show me what you like about it/help me feed the ducks/whatever.” THEN you make plans privately to go to this park or whatever activity it is. You’re not lying, the actual temporal order of things was just reversed.

    Let me know if this helps.

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  155. @DT
    Feminism promised to make women more than mere sex objects, ironically at a time when women were already much more to most men. It then degraded women to the point that no man wants them for more than sex. They’ve become what they hated, sex toys which are respected by no man.

    Feminism trains women to treat their sexuality the same way men treat their sexuality: as a route to personal pleasure and happiness and, most importantly, freedom. This last one was always a severe restriction for women, so the pill and feminism basically said to women:

    We are Womyn, Hear us Roar!

    And they got permission to use their sexuality publicly any way they chose. Without any moral sense or boundaries. because those are sexist, oppressive and reflective of the male capitalist hierarchy (place random phraseology here).

    And now, men are useless to them (“I don’t need a man!”), and are useful their sex-toy applications. Therefore, only the 10-15% of men who are pretty/Alpha get to service their pussies.

    And then: they’re shocked when mainstream men look at them and call them harlots. But Men fuck around! Why can’t I? Hey! It’s not Fair!

    Well, that’s fine. Fair schmair: life isn’t fair. Never was, unlikely ever to be.

    It’s this last thing that really bites them. It’s like a child’s reaction to not getting an equal half of the cookie: “MOM! Jane took more than half! It’s not FAIR!”

    Yeah, well. Tough cookie.

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  156. Offtopic, but I’ve seen Estonia being mentioned on this blog quite a bit.

    Well, it was found out now that the new family law that came into effect on the 1st of July gives a partner the ability to request alimony even after the divorce. One can request alimony if it’s taking care of a child up to 3 years of age, has high age or bad health.

    That and several lesser ill effects were shaded during legislation by media propaganda, because a soldier died in Afghanistan and his girlfriend that he wasn’t married to couldn’t get compensation for their kids. So we had a media hoo-haa for half a year, a week after the law comes to effect we get to know the side effects.

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  157. Gorbachev – thank you for the feedback. A lot to think about.

    Some comments…

    I’m assuming she’s talking to you voluntarily and enthusiastically, and not just putting up with a creepy guy. I’m going to assume this.

    Her “not comfortable” rejection left me thinking about this possibility, that I had completely misread her and that she was just putting up with me. But she has initiated and continued some of our conversations.

    The last time I saw her, when I walked in the restaurant (before asking her out obviously), there were three hostesses working. One greeted me, standard hostess hi. She turned, saw me, smiled warmly and said “hey, how are you doing?” in a very friendly / not hostess way. She grabbed the menu and seated me. If I were creepy guy, she could have easily ignored me and left me to the other two to be served.

    I certainly don’t want to be creepy guy and don’t want to waste any time or effort on a girl who has that reaction, but I don’t think that’s what happened.

    When she rejected you, you handled it poorly. Respond to her with a joke and a neg. Never argue her point. She says she’s not comfortable, you don’t argue with her (as I’m sure you know). Make it funny and lower the temperature.

    I do know enough to not argue. But having never heard that line before and not knowing how to interpret it, I failed to come back with something witty.

    4) You have no idea why she rejected you. You should have banked it, smiled internally, and said: Then next time.

    I think I would have and never even bothered posting about it except the ‘not comfortable’ line left me completely clueless. I’m glad I did post though because I need the feedback.

    You need to slip past her ASD, which means the direct assault is a bad plan: It’ll get her hackles up and then you need to get around those. But what you did was just walk right into her ASD as if you were a grunt in 1914 going over the top into machine-gun fire. What the hell was that?…You can suggest a whole range of ways to meet her without asking her out on a date.

    Point taken. And now I feel like an idiot.

    Part of the conversation in encounter 2 was her interest in photography. I showed her some of my work on the iPhone and she started asking me about it. Well…had I had my head in the game, I would have looked up a local photo exhibition on said iPhone. On the way out I could have played it up, said I had previous plans to go, then casually extended an invitation. For the art of course.

    Live and learn…

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  158. @DT

    “”Her response threw me: “I’m not really comfortable with that.”

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before and I had no idea how to respond. I didn’t fall apart or anything, but I didn’t have a good reply either. I almost feel like she made an effort to draw me in, then rejected, and I’m clueless as to where I went wrong.””

    I’ve had this situation many times in social situations where women respond to my gaming them. Then when I suggest a drink, I get the “i’m working” or “i’m busy” or “I’m tired.”

    After looking back on this, a few things come to mind about my own situation, so i’ll share my insights, not sue if they fit.

    1) The ASD comes up. It’s irrational. It could be in the WAY I asked them out. Thought I tried several times. I think it requires better timing. I could have number closed sooner, then sms’d/contacted her after the party. Girls don’t like to be seen to being gamed in front of you.

    One thing I did have recent success in gaming and number closing, was when the girl was sufficiently attracted asked me “Are you on FaceBook” and I thought a moment and then handed her my business card. She added me, a few hours later with a nice note.

    Maybe the thing to do in that situation is smile, slip her your card. It’s not the “game” thing. But this is improvisation. She’s giving you IOI’s, it’s a public environment, she feels weird getting asked out in public, so maybe carding her would be more discrete and cool.

    It would also force her to work on contacting you if she was intersted.

    This is my piece of advice on this.

    These awkward public situations require a bit more discretion.

    The asking out is a bit forward and may suddenly trigger some weird reaction like “I’m not supposed to be dating customers”.

    Card her next time, see how that goes.

    You have nothing to lose. If she wasn’t going to accept goign out with you, she won’t contact you either.

    I’ve stopped carding girls after understanding game.

    But I think you have to gauge the situation.

    Before I understood game, I would card girls when I went out to clubs and 8/10 times, they’d email or sms back.

    It put them into chase mode if there were IOI’s or I’d built up attraction.

    Carding may be perceived as “beta” but in your situation, it would be a sign of demonstrating higher value.

    This is the one thing I would have done differently.

    It feels weird for a chick to go out or leave with a guy.

    But getting a number from your card and emailing is ‘safer’.

    Then you can practice text/online game.

    I’m trying this now.

    After carding the girl, she added me to FB. We chatted. Then I got her number.

    Then I suggested we meet up.

    We did.

    Now we’re meeting up again tonight.

    As long as you follow game principles: DHV, don’t “ask her out”, propose meeting up, online text game: I sent her some ideas for Spanish words that she had to look up. Seemed to get her intrigued.

    Worked for me.

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  159. on July 9, 2010 at 8:14 am The Real Vince

    Virgle Kent wrote:

    I think one of the reasons behind the white knight for Mia is because Hank himself has a daughter very close to her age. It’s easy for any of us to act one way when we’re single and banging everything that walks. If you have a daughter though all bets might be off on if you still view the world the same way.

    http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/04/daughters-make-you-more-conservative.html

    The study mentioned at the beginning (Washington, 2008) says daughters cause their fathers to be more understanding of women’s issues, and thus have a liberalizing effect.

    Or, as the first commenter says: “My ex-husband, normally conservative, became a lot more liberal with respect to opportunities for women and removing roadblocks to such opportunities when we had daughters – and no sons.”

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  160. For casual readers, ASD = Anti-Slut Defense. @Gorby just gave one of the best pieces of advice in a great analogy: Don’t run into an ASD head-on like a Tommy going over the top of a trench at the Sommes.

    @DT

    Although I believe in number closing early on, if I am in a relaxed long conversation with a woman I’d be going for hypothetical affirmation that she’d do things with me as part of the conversation…leaving a direct date commitment as part of the mop-up operation.

    Example:

    Me: “Outside right now the stars are so incredible. The entire Zodiac is lit up better than the Central Park Zoo”.

    Her: “Really! Visible from right here?”

    Me: “Well, the street lights here on Main Street are blocking out visibility a lot. You have to go over a block at least. Its really best down by the river. By the way, what is your sign”?

    Her: Scorpion

    Me: Scorpion?! That’s rising in the East right now; the biggest baddest, most frightening constellation of them all. It looks like it is coming out of Bear Mountain on the other side of the river.

    Her: Oh! I’ve got to see that. Can you show me sometime?

    Bingo.

    Strike while the iron is hot. Notice how you weren’t asking her to do anything.

    Or, try this kind of thread:

    Me: “This restaurant is empty because all the cool people are now 2 hours away at XYZ Lake Resort, having fun swimming, eating ice cream in the shade, listening to the free concerts in that new amphitheater they have there and watching the nightly fireworks and the star show provided by nature.”

    Her: “Yeah, tell me about it. I have to work and everyone else gets to have fun”.

    Me: “Hey. Friends of my family would probably give you a room for free on a weeknight. Ask a friend or two if they want to go with you and give me a ring if you want my father to call his friends and get a room for a group of you.”

    Her: “Wow really? I’d have to give that some serious thought” (gears moving in her head)

    What this line of talk does is the following:

    1) It doesn’t directly ask her out on a date with you, and it even suggests she bring a girlfriend, thus avoiding heading straight into the ASD of an 18 year old.

    2) It makes her want to number close with you before you leave the restaurant that time.

    3) In my experience, she *will* take you up on this if she likes you and she will call you about it. She will bring a female friend but she will also request *your* presence at the resort when she is there.

    She will end up asking you on a date.

    On the date, if she likes you, the friend can fade off at some point. This is no issue.

    PS: Don’t say “But I don’t have family friends who own a hotel at a nearby resort”. That is what credit cards are for. It is well worth $80 to bypass an ASD (while its ironic that men can buy themselves out of an ASD). 😉

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  161. The star constellation talk, if done well with a lot of imagery, can get a woman to suggest that you and her leave the well-lit public area you are in so you can show her the sky.

    I was shocked two nights ago when an 18 year old I had just met 10 minutes before on a well-lit boardwalk (I number closed at minute 5 because I believe in moving quickly), actually said “lets move out from under the street lamp over to the fence” and, when this didn’t cut out the light pollution, she said “Lets take those stairs down to the beach” after which she led me to the water’s edge.

    With our shoes removed and our feet in the surf after seeing all the Zodiac animals in the sky, she then put up an ASD when I tried to get her to strip down to go swimming. She also showed an ASD as I slowly insisted that we would talk with my hands on her hips pulling her in close to me so we could hear each other better over the music (my favorite unsubtle “keno” move in a loud bar as well). She let me do the latter.

    On the second date last night, she held my hand for a walk at the water’s edge. with the ASD still going strong otherwise. 18 year olds aren’t easy (and this is why its almost a moot point for most men to try to keep 16 legal).

    All I can say is that, if its ASD and not a lack of interest on the part of the woman, then the man has to keep trying. If a woman likes him, the barriers will keep coming down.

    A one-sided number close such as a one-side card exchange is almost never a good idea unless a specific limited time offer is made that you are sure she will want to take you up on. Otherwise, just giving a woman your business card can be expected to have a 90% chance of failure (for most guys).

    And its not personal. Women mostly don’t call men, even when they are very interested and they know the man does not have her number. I’ve dated women who had not called me for the longest time between when I gave them my card a year before and when I accidentally ran into them again a year later.

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  162. on July 9, 2010 at 1:03 am hmm
    didn’t see dana’s comment before i posted… it is a perfect example of the corrupted “RAWR my sexuality equals POWER and there is NOTHING wrong with me using it to its fullest extent” mindset i mentioned. “sex-positive” feminist bullshit. yes getting male attention is fun and thrilling, but women should not use their sexuality to tease or use men, and teenage girls love to try this out, which is why there needs to be more of a protecting, rules-enforcing culture. honestly i find it strange that you *didn’t* feel uncomfortable with your sexuality and the power it had at any point, even with the danger of that power being overpowered. makes me think that you and your friends were probably pretty slutty, and that you could’ve used some more familial supervision.

    i know reading comprehension isn’t a female strong suit,
    hmm, but i was a teenager in the 80’s not right this feminist indoctrinated second. you appear to be foreign or to have been raised in an alien traditional ethnic family, your opinion on growing up female in the west is rendered null and void by this fact. if i am wrong i am happy to stand corrected.

    are you saying girls who were 14 years old in 1984 were all about RAWR and “grrrl power” and “sex positive” before any one of those concepts existedand who were raised by even OLDER parents who had IN TURN been raised before the sexual revolution? way to put things in historical context.

    it is more likely that we felt that way because ALL OF HUMAN SEXUALITY HADN’T BEEN UTTERLY PERVERTED BY FEMINISM AND THE LEFT YET. maybe we were just free, natural, nonideological, not exposed to an iota of anti male, anti sex propaganda–the only propaganda i remember seeing was “free to be you and me” and “our bodies, ourselves”, maybe the joy of sex…lol the “joy” of sex–can you imagine anything being written today that expounded the arcane notion that heterosexual sex was about JOY!

    i have to wonder if girls raised without fathers, AFTER feminism went through its male-sexuality-is-the-devil phase and after feminism had so thoroughly permeated the meme-o-sphere with abject lies regarding male and female sexuality are more likely to feel frightened and ashamed and confused about a sexuality they had no basis for understanding.

    and in regards to your immediate and hilarious use of shaming language like “maybe you and your friends were pretty slutty”. maybe what we were was both FREE and innocent at the same time, before the relations between the sexes became a poisoned political football used by feminists to wrest legislaslative power from men. good argument though, way to live up to every caricature of female intellectual candlepower–kudos

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  163. I gotta be honest with you folks. I get a little skeeved out when the conversation turns to what you can and can’t get away with when it comes to age.

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  164. dana,
    Like you, I don’t remember ever feeling uncomfortable about being attractive and having men respond to that.

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  165. thats what makes me think these are foreign or young women–i do think post 2nd wave feminism women may feel this way, especially if they weren’t raised with fathers in the house? where would a girl get a NON “grrl power” positive sense of their own sexuality today? it wasn’t a masculinized, predatory, feral sense of power like it seems to be today, nor was male sexuality deemed alien, frightening, weird and defective, it just WAS.

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  166. man he should have dodged Mia’s punch and put her in a kimura…

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  167. I just found this via Instapundit – It helps understand the mind of a White Knighter who feels he has no skin in the game when it comes to the discussion of older men dating younger women – Follow the link and scroll down to the comments by “Pete”:

    http://volokh.com/2010/07/08/ninety-five-and-pumping-iron/

    This is Pete talking:

    “My goodness, thanks for the laughs, guys. Humor is one of the few consolations of aging. I was once young and good-looking, and took it for granted that I’d always be that way. Buzzzzz — wrong! Eventually, despite my strenuous efforts to the contrary, I aged and now look, well, like a 49-year old man. The sweet young things don’t look at me anymore; their grandmothers do! Correct, at some point — a middle-aged man becomes invisible to young people. Oh, I am in shape and look ten years younger than I am, but that matters not to the young. 49-years old = fossil, 39-years old = a slightly less-wrinkled fossil.

    As I said, the consolation is that I can laugh about it, and strangely enough, as time passes I find that I care less and less what the very young think of me.”

    Now one might think this is just a healthy attitude.

    Sure it might be…except I am this guy’s age!

    And I don’t believe this asshole. He is bitter and compensating…and he will compensate by being a White Knight when his state raises the age of consent to 21.

    Smoking, Laziness, Bad Genes, Too Much Time in the Sun = May be why this surrender monkey isn’t noticed by “sweet young things” anymore. Of course, maybe he is still living in the USA as well…a stupid thing for a 49 year old single man to be doing.

    This guy is clearly saying that other 49 year old men and even 39 year old men need to throw in the towel and give up, instead of moving and/or working on their game and their appearance.

    He wasn’t asked by feminists to write that and, sadly, I don’t believe a feminist pretended to be “Pete”.

    Meanwhile, here is another article from the Duh Department – “Why Women Get Friskier As They Approach 40”:

    http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-why-women-get-friskier-as-they-near-forty/

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  168. on July 9, 2010 at 10:13 am Badger Nation

    “The ultimate Californication episode would be Hank Moody meets Poetry of Flesh, scriptwritten by Chateau.”

    With a subplot involving a banker, i.e. GBFM. Lozlzlz.

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  169. on July 9, 2010 at 10:23 am Badger Nation

    “The study mentioned at the beginning (Washington, 2008) says daughters cause their fathers to be more understanding of women’s issues, and thus have a liberalizing effect.

    Or, as the first commenter says: “My ex-husband, normally conservative, became a lot more liberal with respect to opportunities for women and removing roadblocks to such opportunities when we had daughters – and no sons.””

    I still can’t figure out the daddys-little-girl effect – where a man who has slaved and worked to build a nest egg or fortune squanders both the money and his legacy by spoiling his daughter into an overgrown princess twat, incapable of carrying on his business acumen or doing anything other than taking. He probably works with the kind of balanced, hard-working but not bitchy women his daughter could easily be raised into.

    Is it analogous to the mother-beta syndrome, a parent wants to mold a child to be emotionally dependent on them? Is it just an extension of the “I don’t want my wife to work” attitude of some white-knighters?

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  170. I’ve known plenty of alpha males with teenage daughters who didn’t make the self-defeating conclusion that they themselves should avoid the best looking females as a result.

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  171. You may be overselling a bit there dana. There certainly was feminism and some elements of girl power floating around in the 80s, though not as intensely as now, and some elements of free sex, blah blah. You have also revealed stories that suggested a level of sexual freedom that not all girls would have been comfortable engaging in.

    Kate, etc., are also probably overselling. Having a 42 year old man jump out of the bushes to masturbate an a passing 14 year old is creepy. Having 19 year olds chat one up at beach is part of growing up and engaging in society.

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  172. al

    good observations in both comments, normally im so shy and reserved–i don’t know what compelled me to express THIS opinion so adamantly without cavil.

    but even though those elements were definitely “floating around”–almost no females that werent raised by truly radical outliers had been influenced by them growing up, my friends and girls i knew had certainly not been raised by wild bohemians and they never expressed any fear of male attention or shame or discomfort like the other female posters are describing. it seems wholly odd to me that any females raised after the sexual revolution would experience such a sense of alienation from their own physicality and from male sexual interest.

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  173. Jerry,

    The only problem with being 49 is that a larger number of girls will find you invisible, but there will still be plenty who see you.

    I am 49 and I have been paying attention to the reaction of girls of various ages to me as I vary my “look”.

    Girls over 22 (past college age) notice me no matter how I look (meaning not that they give me IOIs, but that they are aware of my existence and are neither startled nor annoyed when I strike up a conversation with them).

    When I have a full beard, let it get a bit scruffy, and don’t color the gray out of it, I am invisible to girls under 21, except that the Amish girls in the local farmer’s market get much more friendly. (The beard gives them a comfort level, the mustache which Amish men generally shave adds interest.)

    If I groom neatly, color the gray out, and wear a suit, then I am visible to college age girls, and get IOIs from women older than 25.

    When I don’t have a full beard but just a goatee or Van Dyke, and color the gray out, which makes my apparent age about 40, then I am visible to high school age girls, and start getting IOIs from college age girls. If I wear a suit as well then I get IOIs from some high school age girls too.

    When I am looking good, I can strike up a conversation with any girl of college age or higher without fear. But 18 and under are often uncomfortable talking to older men.

    It is a bad idea (in the USA at least, I don’t know about elsewhere) to initiate a conversation with high school girls at all if they have never seen you before.

    If they are familiar with you because their are friends of someone in your family or you are a regular where they work, and you have never done anything to make them uncomfortable, eventually high school age girls are happy to get attention from older men. But comfort has to be there before any conversation.

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  174. on July 9, 2010 at 10:43 am Capt. Obvious

    @Dad

    “Of course 13-year-old girls have power. They are pretty much drunk on power and out of control much of the time. That’s why Dads have to draw an absolute line in the sand when 30-something playas like Roissy declare sexual open season on them. Go there and you will die. Statutory rape laws that make you worry about checking to find out if a girl is old enough may cramp your style, but that’s better than the alternative – death at my hand.”

    You sound like a tool. It is overbearing daddies like you that drive young girls into the hands of an older man. What you don’t realize is that the more you tell a girl she can’t do something, the more she wants to do it.

    Also, LOL! @ your threats. What are you, some Chuck Norris wannabe? LOL!

    No doubt when your daughter is 16 she will be “deep throating” ex-cons.

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  175. on July 9, 2010 at 10:44 am Badger Nation

    ““The cop asked me, did you have sex with her? And, I said twice. He said sign this statement and I signed it. Soon as I got done signing it, he said, sorry to let you know, she’s only 13,” said Ricky.”

    Another fuckin’ goldrf tip – don’t fucking talk to the fucking police. They cannot compel your questioning unless they have probably cause to arrest you, and even then you have the right to remain silent. Don’t say a thing without a lawyer, and for Christ’s sakes don’t sign anything.

    Of course our school system lies to kids about sexuality and finance so I’m not expecting them to give kids the truth about law enforcement…

    If I were this guy’s attorney, the first thing I’d do is pursue every possible Miranda angle, and make a general argument the police interview was deceptive as to the kid’s need to invoke the 5th. But I’m not, so I’m just going to say…don’t fucking talk to the police.

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  176. @ Gorbachev

    “When she “came on” to you, she might have been right before her period, and hence relatively horny. Don’t discount this: some women, though not all by any measure, do crazy shit for about 3-7 days a month, including pick up random guys.

    I found this by watching/examining/smelling (seriously) women with me in STRs and LTRs, then extrapolating to the behavior of women I met initially.”

    Is this right before the 4 or 5 bleeding “period” only? What about 5 days after, as others have mentioned, where apparently women start subconsciously coming on to the most alpha guy in the room?

    This is an interesting thing to consider, maybe even more so if you’re in a LTR.

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  177. simpleman,

    Actually there are two distinct segments of the cycle of interest. A few days before the period women are hornier and conscious of it; right before ovulation women are more adventurous and sexier but not necessarily aware of it. If it’s a woman you know who is comfortable with you, go for it in the pre-menstrual segment; the fertility peak at ovulation is when women are more likely to be swooped by a new guy, but of course if you are new you won’t actually know what phase she’s at, you’ll have to guess.

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  178. Capt. Obvious,
    I agree. When fathers overreact like that it is annoying. They would do better to be more reasonable about their daughters.

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  179. almost no females that werent raised by truly radical outliers had been influenced by them growing up, my friends and girls i knew had certainly not been raised by wild bohemians and they never expressed any fear of male attention or shame or discomfort like the other female posters are describing.

    I do remember things of this sort, but generally not to the ‘oh poor me’ degree being touted here.

    It isn’t very hard, either, to dissuade the type of attention that makes one uncomfortable, so I don’t have much tolerance for cries of ‘I was constantly objectified and it was soooo hard.’

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  180. Haven’t commented in awhile, but this commentary on Californication was utter genius and hits the at the underbelly of why I have grown disenfranchised and uninterested with the show over the years.

    I, too, was initially astonished and excited by the Hank character’s sexual adventures… However, found myself angered by the contradiction in his seemingly Ho’s before Bro’s psychology.

    It’s surprising to me that a man (in this case Moody) that is (and knows he can be) successful at any point in his life with women would go so far to crush and demolish the male characters in the show. Moody lacks real male friendship and identity and searches for and latches onto the women of the show, albeit with intelligent and charming dialogue, it is ultimately desperate.

    Considering the show’s weakening premise, I’m a bit surprised he hasn’t screwed Dean Coontz’s wife yet. I suppose they are trying to leave Hank’s character with some sense of dignity, but a sincere analysis of the show proves otherwise.

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  181. @simpleman

    Going on from polymath’s post, it’s probably most linked to oestrogen levels.
    Have a look at the chart on this page
    http://tinyurl.com/2uw7spx
    Sorry about the scrolling, this was the best chart I could find quickly (I’m working) and which didn’t have all the other hormones like LH and FSH on it so simple to see how oestrogen changes.

    See how the line starts rising days 8-14, that’s when the woman is getting fertile and the oestrogen in her body generates the fluids that sperm can live in (so I was surprised to see you mention 5 days post period as I wouldn’t think a woman is feeling particularly horny then), it will die quickly otherwise. Hence why women are fertile for much longer than just the 24-72 hour ovulation timeframe. You can see where oestrogen starts building up again later in the cycle so again she’ll start feeling horny even if there isn’t going to be a baby out of it. Oestrogen and energy are also linked so women tend to be more productive at work during these times. Although right at the time of ovulation, because of LH levels she’ll probably feel very tired.

    That chart is on a typical 28 day cycle though so you can’t use it to guess on some woman you don’t know, women’s cycles can be anything from 21 to 40 days. And even if someone is on a 28 day ‘typical’ cycle, her luteal phase (space between ovulation and her period) could be anything from 7 to 17 days. It won’t change much from cycle to cycle in a particular woman, but it will vary from woman to woman with even the same cycle length. Add to which whilst your luteal phase doesn’t typically change (except maybe by a day), the time between your period and ovulation can change, for example because of stress or taking a plane. i.e. it’s not right that a woman’s period is late through worry she’s pregnant, in those situations it’s more likely the woman hadn’t ovulated yet and the worry delayed ovulation, because once you’ve ovulated your luteal phase will be the same.

    Of course, if the woman is on the pill this is all pretty much moot.

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  182. on July 9, 2010 at 11:24 am Capt. Obvious

    Jerry,

    If you like younger women, then why are you are Republican Party supporter?

    The Republican Party is the party of the old fogies.

    Every city in the USA that is a good pickup spot is invariably left-wing (Miami, NYC, LA, etc.).

    Ever notice that? It is not by coincidence.

    Roissy may dislike SWPLs, but it is SWPLs who make a city cooler, and thus more attractive to single younger women.

    It is also leftists who encourage women empowerment and use of birth control measures, which in turn allows women to become sluts.

    Hell, the feminist movement may very well have been the best thing to happen for game.

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  183. @Polymath

    “Actually there are two distinct segments of the cycle of interest. A few days before the period women are hornier and conscious of it; right before ovulation women are more adventurous and sexier but not necessarily aware of it. If it’s a woman you know who is comfortable with you, go for it in the pre-menstrual segment; the fertility peak at ovulation is when women are more likely to be swooped by a new guy, but of course if you are new you won’t actually know what phase she’s at, you’ll have to guess.”

    When would you say right before ovulation is? Is it right
    after the actual period? 5 days after?

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  184. on July 9, 2010 at 11:42 am Serial Monogamist

    The statutory rape picture is even worse than portrayed in this post. In many states statutory rape is a strict liability offense, meaning that even reasonable mistake is no defense to the charge. For example, you ask a girl her age, she says 20, she looks 20, you check her ID, she has a convincing fake ID, you bang her, she’s 17–you go to jail. It’s a perversion of justice.

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  185. simpleman,

    Typically if the first blood is day 1, ovulation is day 14, and the fertile period is days 8-16, with a big peak on days 13 and 14. Then a horniness peak 5-7 days before the next period.

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  186. Of course you can’t rely on those numbers, they are averages but individual women vary by a few days and even for the same woman individual months vary by a day or two, more if external events cause stress of some kind. However a woman can reliably chart her own cycle by keeping track of body temperature and some other indicators.

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  187. Lily–

    A lot of confusion about women’s cycles and her most fertile (and horniest) period arises due to starting to count the days in her period at the wrong place.

    The medical convention is to begin counting when bleeding/menses first begins. It lasts for around 5 days on average. A woman tends to be fertile from the 10th to 18th day of her period, or to be safer w/ rhythm method bc go out to 20th. That’s if her period is a regular as clockwork 28 days. Many women’s isn’t. Note she’s actually fertile for only maybe 5-6 days, but it’s not possible to exactly predict when that will occur even in regular 28 day period girls.

    For most women her fertile period is her horniest period. Though yes as Polymath says, some women can get real horny soon before bleeding begins. Women of course much more ofter are highly emotional and irritable just before they bleed, i.e. during their pre-menstrual syndrome (PMS) time, which also tends to be about 5 days.

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  188. I.e. some people wrongly count her period beginning when her bleeding stops.

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  189. In Spain the age of consent is only 13 isn’t it? I found this video on YouTube – this French film guy was hanging around Spanish night-clubs and got a couple of minutes footage – at the end there he bumps into an absolutely stunning Spanish chick and listen to what she says to the camera – we have got to get to Spain!

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  190. @DT I think the girl was lookin for nsa sex. Her not being comfortable with that suggested to me that she wasnt looking for a date especially since she hinted at going out and getting wasted! She gave you alot of signs you just didnt get them! Ha Ha you had a nsa fuck buddy technically you still have her but now she doesnt quite think your up to the task of regulating the vagina! Next time you go there dont be eager to “make up” for your fuck up and if she drops any more hints get her to a local watering hole get her tipsy and regulate that pussy! Truthfully speaking though I dont think its going to happen because your too passive and since she was aggressive in pursuing you she wants you to be aggressive as well! You said that you were hesitant because of her age but I dont believe you I think your just rationalizing your lack of action. Even if she was underage it doesnt mean that you cant flirt. When girls openly flirt with you flirt back even if you have no intention of hooking up!

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  191. Simpleman–

    When would you say right before ovulation is? Is it right
    after the actual period? 5 days after?

    The exact time of ovulation isn’t really the thing to focus on, either for purposed of getting preggers or avoiding that, or for her horniness.

    That’s because 1) sperm can survive for several days in the hormonally receptive (and hence sperm friendly fluids secreting) girl’s inner vagina; and 2) it’s not that exactly predictable but subject to some variation from month to month, even for a woman on a very regular 28 day period.

    Her hormones will but up and making her hornier both before and after her ovulation as well.

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  192. dana – my reading comprehension didn’t fail. i wasn’t around in the 80’s, but even so, i can guarantee you that however teenage girls felt about their sexuality then was/is much more modernized than teenage girls were ever able to feel about their sexuality, historically or in most parts of the world today. btw there is no such thing as natural and non-ideological, unless you were raised in the wild. also the breakdown of the nuclear family, and the permeation of ME-ME-ME, started around that time so i doubt that your parents were on your mind when you were “reveling” in your sexuality. even if the term “sex positive” wasn’t around, the things you’re describing (“the joy of sex”) were the beginning of a new sexual revolution that quickly devolved into what it is today, slutty girls and pua’s and a state where apparently men don’t think that women are good for anything but sex, what with the lack of the importance of family to most people’s sense of self. i think it’s very possible that you are over-romanticizing, looking back over the past two and a half decades. no doubt things were *less* fucked up then, but they weren’t as idyllic as you paint it.

    i grew up in the west but in a traditional immigrant family. kind of like growing up in a conservative religious family, but still exposed to the more overtly sexual external world every. single. day. so i know plenty about what it’s like to be a teenage girl in the west. i also know what it’s like to resist certain temptations .. and keep my legs shut. anyway, i think the element of foreign-ness in my upbringing actually gives me *more* insight into growing up female in the west, since i know how things work in other parts of the world and can compare the good and the bad of both, especially in terms of the extremely fucked-up-ness of the teenage girls i knew.

    there is nothing wrong with finding joy in sex, i wasn’t saying that. i wanted sex a lot too, especially with older men. i had a huge crush on a 30 year old when i was 13. but was i ready for that?? umm hell no. and playfully talking with him was fine but acting inappropriately ‘suggestive’ and actually trying to use my sexuality on him would’ve been.. well, inappropriate, and a sign that i wasn’t raised right. i don’t think that’s a sign of my ‘foreign’ upbringing, i think that’s just a reflection of a basic decent upbringing. and if it’s not, well then, something is SERIOUSLY fucked up in american culture.

    what i was saying is that there is something wrong in using your sexuality for non-sexual purposes, i.e. trying to “milk” men for their money’s worth, which is what it seemed like you were saying with “reveling” in your sexuality. yes it is a powerful feeling when men want to fuck you, but you pretty much lose it if the “reveling” goes too far and you let one too many men fuck you. and there is always the danger of extra creepy men trying to go too far if you display too many sexual signals. that is what girls don’t seem to understand, and it seems like it began when you were a teenager or slightly before- the danger of female sexuality and the importance of regulating it. there’s a reason societies have been obsessed with it ever since, well, forever.

    i think you are probably right that the fatherless-ness is part of what causes greater fear about male sexuality right now, no argument there. but it comes along with a “female empowerment = sexuality” mindset that only backfires on the vast majority of women.

    i wasn’t trying to shame you, honestly the girls i know who proclaim their sexuality as powerful and their FREEDOM are, in fact, pretty slutty. i honestly don’t understand the relationship between having sex and freedom. maybe i’m misunderstanding what you mean by freedom (because i’m soooo stupid, right? you must have accumulated all your masculine wisdom over the decades, there’s nothing quite as logical as calling someone stupid because they had different experiences than you did). sex is fun, yes, and it’s loving and thrilling, but if i want the liberty to live my life by myself, i will focus on being financially self-sufficient than being a prostitute stuck on the bartering system. i never felt like not having sex or overly displaying my sexuality was equivalent to being shackled. if you think so, maybe you should get some perspective, travel around the world, understand what a real lack of freedom is.

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  193. Best way to raise daughters I think, not that I have any (but I do have several nieces) is to game them. Not of course with a view towards THAT, but to get them to want to please you. Look up to you. Chase your approval.

    Lots of affection, but also it’s withdrawal when they’re being brats, e.g. by acting up in stores or in public.

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  194. […] Jul Yesterday Roissy made a post about the show Californication, at first praising its portrayal of an unrepentant divorced manwhore named Frank Moody who is the […]

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  195. “Hell, the feminist movement may very well have been the best thing to happen for game.”

    without the feminist movement you wouldn’t need game.

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  196. @DT I dont know whenever i feel like having italian was actually solid game cuz she showed interest you and by not immediately taking the bait and seeming disinterested actually helped your game out and when she said well i work so and so nights and mentioned going out and getting wasted those were “hints”. All you had to do was show up on a night she worked, tell her to meet you at such and such bar after work get her tipsy and voila!

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  197. on July 9, 2010 at 1:13 pm Original JB

    “If you like younger women, then why are you are Republican Party supporter?

    The Republican Party is the party of the old fogies. ”

    Because we want young pussy and lower taxes, dipshit.

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  198. “Best way to raise daughters I think, not that I have any (but I do have several nieces) is to game them. Not of course with a view towards THAT, but to get them to want to please you. Look up to you. Chase your approval.”

    *sigh* what you’re saying is probably right but it’s so sad to me that apparently most people don’t have enough respect for their parents ingrained in them- like to their very core- (not only by their family, but by schools, by society, etc.) that you would need to ‘game’ them to get them to want to honor their parents and at least take their parents’ views into consideration. if parents knew how to say ‘no’ and people understood that the only ones who will (or at least should) always be there for you are your parents (so you should listen up and not be so selfish), then you would never need to ‘game’ (what do you mean? negs?) your daughters to get them to respect you.. you could just state your expectations outright. i don’t think you should raise a child without giving them praise, but praise does not mean spoiling them either.

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  199. This leads me to believe both Dana and Laura are and were average at best in the looks department. They obviously have no idea what it feels like to be on the receiving end of a considerable amount of male attention. And for someone who prides herself on reading skills, you sure don’t have any. If you did, you’d understand what I’m saying. Knowing that boys liked me was great, but when it crossed into explicit, sexual comments about my body, it was not appealing and was confusing.

    And your whole persona, Dana, reeks of a woman who is desperate for attention from men. It’s obvious you need approval — probably because you’ve never gotten the validation from men that you crave. You don’t even know how to communicate like decent person and so you resort to shaming language — whatever you think will be insulting and hurtful to the other person. It’s just like any other rough, classless person who has poor communication skills and no point to make.

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  200. on July 9, 2010 at 1:40 pm Capt. Obvious

    “Because we want young pussy and lower taxes, dipshit.”

    Bull.

    Repubs don’t want young pussy. Check out what the old farts on the link Jerry provided say. Their attitude is not unique.

    Like I said before, liberal areas are the best hunting grounds for younger women. Period. This can not be refuted.

    Republicunts are sticklers about who their daughters fuck, so they generally want a lot of control over picking who their daughters date. Fact.

    Sorry the truth bothers you republicunts so much.

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  201. “Regarding girls losing their virginity at 16, I didn’t and neither did any of my friends. Most all remained virgins until they married, or only had sex with the man the eventually married.”

    So how is the weather in Salt Lake City today?

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  202. “Because we want young pussy and lower taxes, dipshit.”

    Bull.

    Repubs don’t want young pussy. Check out what the old farts on the link Jerry provided say. Their attitude is not unique. ”

    Yes, the GOP has their Christian faction. But is it really worse than the feminist faction of the Dems?

    I’m a libertarian so I dislike both parties and their oafish supporters.

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  203. DT’s situation and the advice is interesting.
    I am eager to learn.

    I am wondering why none of you advisors has suggested at this point that DT might bring an attractive woman with him to eat in the restaurant, acting as if he happily accepts that Hostess will never go out with him, that’s fine, really, because he will always have plenty of other good options.

    Also I thought one of you advisors would tell him he needs to take this outlook for real (not just projecting it, fake).

    Maybe in my hasty reading I overlooked some part where one of you guys gave this advice that I didn’t see above.

    Is it possible she never wanted more than to have a regular customer with whom she enjoyed chatting to relieve boredom at work, from whom she enjoyed the ego stroke of his attention, etc? I’ve seen that behavior in cute young women working in restaurants, back when I did.

    No disrespect to DT or you guys advising DT.
    I could write a book about my clueless blunders.

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  204. On the age thing, things are a bit extreme (though this is Roissy lol). There’s a vast difference between the risk of being jailed for statutory rape with an older teenager (who possibly misled on age) which is plainly crazy (I had no idea how convoluted the statutory rape laws in the US) and 40plus PUAs declaring open season on 13 year olds. Dad, if you need anyone to hand you ammunition for your rifle, I’m glad to volunteer.

    Just because a 13 year or 14 year old girl has developed breasts & has her period, does not mean she’s emotionally ready to have sex, and arguably not physically (when women did/do have children at those ages there are higher incidences of maternal death and even with older teens, pregnancy problems are similar to those in 35+ women, the 20s are the best time).

    Yes, some 13/14 year olds are aware of their power and will use it but does not mean they are able to deal with the ramifications from older men. Just like 13 year old boys and their raging hormones. And the fact is a man who is a lot older is able to manipulate someone that age much more than a boy her own age can.

    I don’t know much about the love lives of the actresses mentioned but I can imagine that’s quite common. I remember reading an article once with the actress Thandie Newton about her first relationship at that age with a man at least 10 years older which she ended up quite emotionally damaged from.

    My first relationship was with an older man (but nothing like 10 years) and it was fine and I wasn’t emotionally damaged (thank god there weren’t PUAs advocating pumping and dumping ‘hos’), but in hindsight I wished I’d waited another year for my next boyfriend who was the same age as me at 17 (by that age the two year maturity gap has more or less disappeared). As a lot of PUAs don’t seem to have got much sex when they were younger, I would have thought they’d be in support of say 16 year old girls having sex with 16 year old boys.

    As for the womanly spat, IMHO Al has it, extremes again. I wasn’t hateful of my body but I certainly wasn’t like dana either. And certainly between the ages of 12 and 16 I had a lot of attention I didn’t know how to deal with from men a lot older, and when someone is a friend of a friend of the family and you’re a 13 year old girl it’s hard to talk to your parents about it. Hell, I didn’t even tell them about the flashers in the park.

    @Kate
    I still have issues on how to deal with excess male attention at 33, let alone 13 lol. I think most women do (?) unless they are attention whores.

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  205. on July 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm Capt. Obvious

    “Yes, the GOP has their Christian faction. But is it really worse than the feminist faction of the Dems?”

    Yes it is worse, at least from the point of view from gaming younger women.

    Feminism, with all of its faults, still provides a pathway for TONS of young women to become sluts. The single mommy revolution is going to unleash a tidal wave of sluts in the coming years. Trust me on this.

    Also, I have a lot of experience with repubs since I live, most of the time, in the South.

    I am in my late twenties and my coworkers are giving me shit all of the time for not being married.

    I always get the comment: “Why don’t you stop chasing those young things and get yourself a nice girl and get married.”

    I am getting so fed up with their comments that I am considering buying a wedding ring and putting it on whenever I am at work, just to stop getting the stupid comments all the time.

    Also, whenever I am out with my current girl (who is 19), I sometimes get looks from asshole repubs who don’t really approve of me dating a younger woman.

    They never actually say anything, but I can tell what the little manginas are thinking.

    So, yeah, repubs are worse than feminists. Way worse.

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  206. @lazy guy atleast you admit your clueless! lol

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  207. on July 9, 2010 at 3:04 pm Capt. Obvious

    Oh, and to any Southern manginas reading this blog:

    General William Tecumseh Sherman is my hero.

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  208. on July 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm Smashing_Retards

    Kate, the lunatics are on your side, and their “views” are currently the law of the land. If I actually believed Kate’s moderate stance, then I would think she would be complaining about THEM.

    However, like all feminist “moderates”, Kate refuses to reign in her lunatic friends. After all, how could that possibly benefit her?

    “Dad”

    I’m going to murder someone who has sex with my daughter

    Anonymouses

    The reason it is required is because of the potential ramifications. The potential of destroying a person’s life is great enough, with enough possibility of the worst happening that our lawmakers felt the need for severe punishment was justified.

    And the cops who are “sorry to destroy the kids life”:
    http://www.bloggernews.net/118842

    And yes, the cop, instead of deliberately getting a confession out of the kid, could have scared Ricky into lawyering up.. and thus prevented this whole mess.

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  209. @simpleman
    @ Gorbachev

    “When she “came on” to you, she might have been right before her period, and hence relatively horny. Don’t discount this: some women, though not all by any measure, do crazy shit for about 3-7 days a month, including pick up random guys.

    I found this by watching/examining/smelling (seriously) women with me in STRs and LTRs, then extrapolating to the behavior of women I met initially.”

    Is this right before the 4 or 5 bleeding “period” only? What about 5 days after, as others have mentioned, where apparently women start subconsciously coming on to the most alpha guy in the room?

    This is an interesting thing to consider, maybe even more so if you’re in a LTR.

    This is crucial for LTRs. If you’re keen and know how to arrange it, you can pound your wife like a rabbit for about a week every month.

    ** The pill throws this all off. If your woman is on the pill, she may still suffer the effects of this, but it’ll be unpredictable and may very well be muted. Women *not* on the pill almost all have this “phase” and you just need to suss it out.

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  210. Gorb,

    relevant comment @ J5

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  211. kate

    well, that explains why hooters girls are so uncomfortable with male attention and keep writing books about feeling raped by the male gaze and feminists like andrea dworkin are so comfortable with male sexual attention

    oh, hey…wait….

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  212. I have to say, I don’t usually find pre-19-20 somethings attractive; 18 year-olds sometimes, for sure.

    But 20+ guys creeping on 13-14 year-olds, … that *is* somewhere on the ooky side.

    And I have to say, I’m as constricted by my culture as anyone: In my mid-30’s, I’d have a hard time knowingly going below 20. On the other hand, if I didn’t know, … but it would still give me seriously huge amounts of pause. It would have to be one seriously mature woman.

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  213. Gorb-

    “I could do a poll, but I suspect I’d find a pattern with some women. Neither of the two women I asked were damaged at all; in fact, both had fond memories of their first partners. They were extremely balanced people.”

    –this matches my own experiences. My first was with a long-term boyfriend who was older and in college while I was in high school. Before him I had been seeing a guy from Canada who was 24 while I was 15/16. We never slept together but we covered the bases pretty well. Both were fantastic experiences that I wouldn’t change a thing about. I can barley remember them given they are memories from so long ago but my entrance into being sexually active was a healthy one.

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  214. @anoukange
    Gorb-
    “I could do a poll, but I suspect I’d find a pattern with some women. Neither of the two women I asked were damaged at all; in fact, both had fond memories of their first partners. They were extremely balanced people.”

    –this matches my own experiences. My first was with a long-term boyfriend who was older and in college while I was in high school. Before him I had been seeing a guy from Canada who was 24 while I was 15/16. We never slept together but we covered the bases pretty well. Both were fantastic experiences that I wouldn’t change a thing about. I can barley remember them given they are memories from so long ago but my entrance into being sexually active was a healthy one.

    Most healthy women would likely agree. Some wouldn’t. But I recall my first experiences with women my age were all fumbly and more comical than anything else. I’m certain – without a doubt – that an older, more emotionally/sexually experienced male would have been better for my first GF than I was.

    I’m *not* saying that 13 year-olds should be available for 40 year-old men.

    I just think that putting a 24 year-old in jail (jail!) for sleeping with a 17 year-old is beyond stupid: it’s a grotesquerie of justice, a miscarriage of epic proportions, especially for the 24 year-old, but also for the 17 year-old.

    Life is not as easily compartmentalized as all these arbitrary barriers would like to make it seem.

    But a (wary) nod to Dad’s comment above:

    It’s better to cramp your style and avoid some girl who seems a little too young — or face Dad’s removing your testicles with a dull spoon while leveling a sawed-off shotgun at your head. Statutory rape laws are definitely an improvement on this.

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  215. dana 2, kate 0

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  216. @dragnet
    dana said “when i was 12 my friends and i got boobies and *lived* for male attention. we registered the reactions men of ALL ages had for us and *revelled* in it. we loved our sexuality and its *unbridled* power and never felt uncomfortable or weird about it, we knew what *we wanted* and we *wanted it a LOT*”

    Asterixes mine. I don’t make personal insults so won’t do so now. But dana was talking about being *12*, really I don’t know sort of regular 12 year old has that sort of life, whatever the decade.

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  217. on July 9, 2010 at 4:53 pm Capt. Obvious

    “I have to say, I don’t usually find pre-19-20 somethings attractive; 18 year-olds sometimes, for sure.

    But 20+ guys creeping on 13-14 year-olds, … that *is* somewhere on the ooky side.

    And I have to say, I’m as constricted by my culture as anyone: In my mid-30′s, I’d have a hard time knowingly going below 20. On the other hand, if I didn’t know, … but it would still give me seriously huge amounts of pause. It would have to be one seriously mature woman”

    You are entitled to your own opinion, but seriously: fucking an 18-year-old girl, regardless of your age, is totally…and I mean totally…OK in my book.

    Anyone who has problems with this can go jump off a bridge.

    Even the law agrees with me (just think of how many pornstars got their start as “barely legal” girls screwing older dudes on camera!).

    The only problem is that when you go for 18-year-old girls you absolutely have to ask their age since you might accidentally be hitting on a 16 or 17-year-old and not even know it.

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  218. @Gorb
    “This is crucial for LTRs. If you’re keen and know how to arrange it, you can pound your wife like a rabbit for about a week every month.”
    You don’t need to restrict it to a week 😉 I’m sure that except for during your actual period, a lot of women won’t mind being it from the man they have the gina tingles for any time of the month lol.

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  219. on July 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm Capt. Obvious

    “But a (wary) nod to Dad’s comment above:

    It’s better to cramp your style and avoid some girl who seems a little too young — or face Dad’s removing your testicles with a dull spoon while leveling a sawed-off shotgun at your head. Statutory rape laws are definitely an improvement on this.”

    “Dad” can go straight to hell.

    I have gun too, by the way.

    Plus, there is no way for a 13-year-old to “pass” as an 18-year-old.

    A 16 or 17-year-old maybe, but not a 13-year-old.

    So, “Dad’s” worries are overblown.

    Very few guys, besides pedos, go after 13-year-olds.

    In fact, I think this “Dad” character is a troll for suggesting this.

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  220. Lily,

    I still have issues on how to deal with excess male attention at 33, let alone 13 lol. I think most women do (?) unless they are attention whores.

    Definitely. Like any woman, I enjoy a simple and genuine compliment, but excessive attention is not appealing.

    I try not to judge, but don’t understand women who go out with the greater part of their breasts exposed, for example. Of course she’s going to get attention, but this is not “power.” The man would give that same attention to any number of girls. Having a man commit to you because you are worthy and then sharing things with him is true power, and that is arousing.

    Again, if that is your cup of tea, I’m not judging men and women for sleeping around, or for how they dress; I just would also like the same respect regarding my feelings.

    Dana,

    I’m sorry, I can’t speak to the mentality of women who have sex/walk around naked or half-naked for money. Again, I don’t relate.

    Stuchka,

    trag·ic [traj-ik]:

    The fact that you’ve deluded yourself into believing I remotely care for your opinion on…well, anything.

    And it’s all fine and dandy if girls in Estonia start having sex when they’re 14, I will try not to judge. But, where I’ve lived, the only girls who start having sex at 14, and have multiple sex partners, are girls who are either unattractive or are from underprivileged backgrounds. Most people would call them used and trashy, and not for respectable men.

    You are just projecting your insecurities caused by your ugliness on other people.

    Yes, I’m sure you’re not doing this at ALL.

    Smashing_Retards,

    First, it was fun typing that blog handle. Second, I really don’t know about the views of the land. I was simply sharing my life experience and how it made me feel. This, like everyone else’s life experience, has shaped my views on things.

    I’m still wondering what is it, exactly, people are disagreeing with me regarding? I merely said that just because a girl looks like a woman, it doesn’t mean she is ready for sex. I further said that like many things regarding minors, sex is restricted with them. Of course, this would not apply to an older man who married a young girl, as her parents would’ve consented and his intentions are honorable. I think that is fine.

    My main concern is that young girls will be taken advantage of because they are not mentally and emotionally able to discern the ramifications of their decisions, which would contribute to lots of fragmented girls who have been used and discarded. I gave an example of my experience that included sexual attention from men when really I was still playing with Barbies in my free time and was quite the child. It was a difficult experience for me, and perhaps not shared by all women, but nevertheless, it was my experience.

    On one hand, people seem to enjoy the idea of reverting to the home-centric era of the 50’s. How is this accomplished by having sex with lots of young girls, not marrying them, and then moving on to others? And you wonder why people began to look to the ideas of feminism for some clarity?

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  221. On one hand, people seem to enjoy the idea of reverting to the home-centric era of the 50′s. How is this accomplished by having sex with lots of young girls, not marrying them, and then moving on to others? And you wonder why people began to look to the ideas of feminism for some clarity?

    THANK YOU. I completely agree with what you’ve been writing. PUA’s want to make women jaded starting at even younger ages, apparently, and then complain that women are used up. If there were still stronger social controls (and i mean social and familial judgment, not the government), for both women and men, this wouldn’t be so widespread. it really makes me glad to come from the subculture i come from, where boys and girls don’t sleep around so much and aren’t so negative about love, and where i know there is actually a chance at a lifelong, loving marriage.

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  222. Capt Obvious

    lso, whenever I am out with my current girl (who is 19), I sometimes get looks from asshole repubs who don’t really approve of me dating a younger woman.

    This is why I hate good people.

    Good people project out their unowned shadow side onto others, and call other people evil. All those old repugnicans are humans and have the same drives for young girls, but they let the voice of their Mom’s and the cancerous betastasising voices of their priests convince them that their innate drives are animalistic and evil.

    I hate good people.

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  223. hmm,

    it really makes me glad to come from the subculture i come from, where boys and girls don’t sleep around so much and aren’t so negative about love, and where i know there is actually a chance at a lifelong, loving marriage.

    Most certainly. I agree. The only downside to that is, our dating pool becomes much smaller than for the average female, in my opinion. We are looking for specific types of people. Of course, some would chalk it up to “hypergamy” and all that. *sigh*

    Lily,

    And by “…your cup of tea” in my last comment above, I didn’t actually mean YOUR cup of tea, Lily. 🙂

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  224. Hmmm

    if parents knew how to say ‘no’ and people understood that the only ones who will (or at least should) always be there for you are your parents (so you should listen up and not be so selfish), then you would never need to ‘game’ (what do you mean? negs?) your daughters to get them to respect you..

    Hmm, where do you live? Is it anywhere near to Wouldacouldashoulda land? Cause the respect for authority that you wish for is barely a human trait.

    Yes, some proportion of humans are born with a genetic predisposition to respect authority. And the trait is hereditable. But you still can’t count on your kids having those tendencies – your kid could well be a natural born rebel with no innate sense of the rightness of respecting authority.

    MOST humans trust their own instincts first, and that includes kids.

    Order followers are the minority. They freak me out. Any charismatic male can make them go to war, or become a cop who enforces statutory rape laws, or some other cog in the stupid machine.

    Authoritarians freak me out. I find them the worst kind of retarded. They don’t use a CPU to think, but can only plug into the mainfraim.

    That’s the kind of kid you hope for?

    Shudder.

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  225. “Lily,

    I still have issues on how to deal with excess male attention at 33, let alone 13 lol. I think most women do (?) unless they are attention whores.

    Definitely. Like any woman, I enjoy a simple and genuine compliment, but excessive attention is not appealing.”

    Being very introverted, I dislike attention, probably to a much, much greater degree than most females. You ladies really need to perfect your bitch look, and you won’t have to deal with this. Are you walking around with a glazed look in your eyes and a phony smile? They’re are really only 3 occasions to be smiling: 1. You’re saying something funny and causing other people to laugh. 2. Someone else is saying something funny and causing you to laugh. 3. Sex. Okay, fine give a polite half-smile and minimal head nod if someone says hello first. But that’s the extent of it. If you’re flooded with more attention than you can handle, you’re likely initiating it (and might not be aware of doing so).

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  226. That’s the kind of kid you hope for?

    Shudder.

    I was talking about ‘respecting’ parents, not blindly following orders. I guess the underlying assumption there is that the parents actually do understand their child and have the child’s best interests at heart, and are good people (the kind that you apparently hate who try to build a safe structured society for all humans rather than reverting to our caveman days where apparently it would be alright to steal, kill, and poach) who aren’t looking to exploit their children.

    I was talking about respecting and honoring and *loving* the hand that feeds you… not submitting to authority. I think it’s so sad that you equate loving your parents and giving them at least some of the consideration they gave in raising you to being a blind idiot.

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  227. Name

    It’s a sad life if we have to let other people decide when we should be smiling.

    I’ve no difficulty with you making your own decisions on when to smile but don’t please tell me when to do so.

    I smile when I’m happy, this doesn’t have to be because someone has said something funny.

    Funnily enough, this has never led me to suffer any harassment, although I do notice seeing me smiling tends to make other people happier too.

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  228. Actually ladies, I think I need to retract part of what I said above. I’m recalling my first “real” experience with excess male attention. 17yo walking alone in an urban area. 15 blocks, I probably had 20+ comments thrown at me. (and these were probably all over age 30) And I was extremely clothed (turtleneck,blazer, head-to-toe covering). I guess that’s the norm, though, for urban areas. I’m a rural transplant, though, so I tend to confuse the vastly different experiences. Now, I know why I get no male attention now. I rarely leave the house, and when I do I’m in parenting mode. No one hits on or even looks at people with kids, even when they’re holding doors open for you, which they do with greater frequency. But I’m pretty sure the bitch shield sustained me pre-child days. But my early 20s are one big blur, so I dunno.

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  229. “It’s a sad life if we have to let other people decide when we should be smiling.”

    I don’t really think, though, that I let other people decide. Personality-wise, I just don’t smile. I almost want to say I can’t physically. It’s not that I’m unhappy by any means. I just tend to look pretty serious for the most part (in large part because of my personality-since I’ve been like this since childhood.)

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  230. @Name
    I think you’re right, it’s probably about a bitch look. I was talking about this issue with some female friends earlier this week, I was a bit put out because I’d gone on a 30 minute walk at 10am running errands and wearing a shortish skirt (about 3 inches above my knee), it’s really hot in England at the moment, but because it was a shortish skirt I wore flip flops not heels. No make up. Very dressed down. I had about 5 guys say something to me or try to chat me up. In *30 minutes*.

    Now I’m definitely no model, probably a 7 or an 8 (so if that’s my opinion, Roissy would say take away 4 heh, though I did ask the player who is well versed in PUA terms and he gave me a 9 but didn’t subtract points for my height as he likes petite girls, but again he’s hardly going to say no you’re a 4 lol). And again I was dressed down not dressed up to the nines in a club.

    Conclusion from talking to the other women on being hassled etc, everyone said that it was definitely me and another one (she gets hassled more than me) and because we are attractivish and look friendly. The model looking tall girl who is definitely a 10 gets hassled less (though gets hassled more in bars etc in the street) but she looks a bit scary and is very tall. And the less attractive ones didn’t get hassled much either.

    Maybe I should work on looking bitchy but it’s bad enough that girls have to make lifestyle changes, e.g. in my case, I don’t go out at night on my own and spend a fortune in taxis, I don’t want to change my personality.

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  231. lily, that was unclear on my part

    when i wrote 12 i meant thats when we generally got our our adult sexual characteristics and BEGAN getting male attention, i didn’t mean to indicate we were having actual sex at 12

    i should have been clearer that any actual sexual activity was later along in teens

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  232. @Name
    I wasn’t talking about you letting other people decide for you when to smile.

    I was talking about you deciding for other people – “there are really only three occasions when you should be smiling…”

    I’m not a fan of rigid etiquette with regard to smiling, it’s a bit like telling the sun when exactly it should come out from behing the clouds.

    It is a matter of personal choice for the individual smiler, a smile can have particular consequences, obviously they have to face up to those consequences.

    Fortunately my experience of smiling (and yes, shock, horror, if happy I do smile walking down the street) has generally been positive, no one has tried to molest me yet.

    Usually I get more unwanted attention when looking depressed, comments like “cheer up, it might never happen” are commonplace.

    I think the trick is to spot dodgy characters in advance & weave out of their way, avoiding eye contact usually helps (the pity is all the nice people overlooked because of this). I usually find if anyone approaches me just being polite and distant helps, occasionally a taxi has to be hailed if people are particularly difficult but I have never found it too much of a problem.

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  233. I think it’s so sad that you equate loving your parents and giving them at least some of the consideration they gave in raising you to being a blind idiot.

    Aww. Did I make you sad?

    There there.

    Feel better now?

    I don’t think you feel sad at all, and I seriously doubt your willful misinterpretation is believed even by you.

    I love and respect and honor my parents. And I still make my own life choices.

    That’s what people do.

    Parent’s don’t have that much influence. Even great parents. Outside of Wouldashouldacoulda land.

    My point about respecting authority stands. Some people respect and obey, some respect and disobey.

    I want disobedient kids.

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  234. @ Name

    Stuck in moderation but just saw your later post. Exactly. I probably find it harder to deal with as I don’t like going to bars and clubs (very very occasional and in that case I’ll make sure it’s in a big mixed group, if any guy I don’t know talks to me I’ll be friendly but I feel ‘safer’ with male friends in my bigger company). I don’t go out too much on my own. Sure I’m big enough to deal with it, but frankly I just want to get on with stuff not have to deal with it.

    I’m lucky in that I do live in a fairly urban area where people are mainly on foot.

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  235. @Kate

    “And by “…your cup of tea” in my last comment above, I didn’t actually mean YOUR cup of tea, Lily”
    You leave my nice cups of tea out of it 🙂 Yes, I did know you meant one’s and note your literally 😉

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  236. @sdaedalus

    “Usually I get more unwanted attention when looking depressed, comments like “cheer up, it might never happen” are commonplace.”
    LOL, from my experience, that is such an Irish man thing to say. Do they twinkle their eyes and tell you a story afterwards? I do think Irish boys are the original PUAs.

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  237. No, usually just a mutual grin (involuntary on my part), and we proceed on our separate ways.

    I know you have a soft spot for Irish men, Lily, although they like to be seen to flirt they are usually quite harmless unless drink or drugs are involved.

    My emotions are pretty easy to read on my face, it is something to do with the mouth & eyes, if I feel depressed I look like the world has fallen in and if I am happy I shine. I’ll refrain from describing what I look like when cross.

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  238. xsplat –

    ok, that was willful misinterpretation, i admit. but i also think you misinterpreted, maybe not so willfully, my original comment that you responded to. it was in response to someone saying that game is the best way to get your daughter to want to please you. all i was saying is that in a different type of society, *different* types of innate human emotions (love, respect) as well as social pressures will make you want to respect your parents, and game wouldn’t be necessary. yes, social pressures like obedience… which is a virtue in today’s world of selfishness and instant gratification. not blind obedience, but at least some willful restraint and thoughtful consideration of others’ wishes and feelings, NOT making life choices *only* for your parents like you were saying. i don’t think that will create a new generation of nazis (metaphorically speaking). besides, even those teenagers who are disobedient are obeying too, it’s just that they’re obeying the pressure to give into temptation from their peers, the pressures of advertising, etc. sure it’s not direct commands, but they have influence too.
    maybe it’s a cultural thing, but it’s kind of hard for me to describe to, and may be difficult to understand for those who weren’t raised with a community-centered tradition rather than an individual-centered tradition.

    Aww. Did I make you sad?

    There there.

    Feel better now?

    maybe if you give me some candy? 🙂

    I want disobedient kids.

    LOL. good luck with that.

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  239. “Maybe I should work on looking bitchy but it’s bad enough that girls have to make lifestyle changes, e.g. in my case, I don’t go out at night on my own and spend a fortune in taxis, I don’t want to change my personality.”

    Yeah, see I don’t really have to work on it. It comes quite easily to me. I naturally smile infrequently. My default facial expressions are very serious looking, so add in some bitchy eyes, and it all comes together quite nicely.

    Getting hassled while trying to exercise is annoying. So, I feel your pain while out walking. It’s partly why I stopped running and turned my recreational exercise time into a serious, time consuming and focused endeavor among like-minded people. I can’t ignore honking horns while running since I don’t wear headphones (for safety reasons), and I’m too uptight to consider being fat as an acceptable option. So, I had to take it indoors. Maybe try sunglasses? At least you have some barrier that way.

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  240. re: getting hit on. i think men attempt it more on women that look young and innocent, and therefore approachable, i.e. not an ice queen. i’m no beauty but i have features that make me look younger than i really am. some men also get a sick thrill out of making young girls uncomfortable.

    i hate getting told by strangers (and it’s always men, too) to ‘just smile.’ if they want me to smile then they should say something funny or at least ridiculous.. or trip and fall or something.

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  241. Hmm, our world is a tough one to adjust to, emotionally. I find that we are maladjusted whenever we let our guiding ideas override practical application of ideas. When the world isn’t as we want, and there is nothing we can do about it, that causes distress. That distress could be labeled as emotional maladjustment.

    The serenity prayer is the ultimate guide to emotional balance.

    God grant me the strenght to change what I can,
    The patience to accept the things I can’t change
    and the wisdom to know the difference.

    A lot of us spend a lot of time in wouldashouldacoulda land, dreaming up utopia. Because we have an emotional need for balance and fairness and goodness, we create it first in our heads. That’s great, but that’s only the creative side of living – then there it goes from theories to application. Most of our utopias have slim basis in reality.

    I’m suggesting that your theory is a lot of wishful thinking, and that human nature precludes it ever showing up in the real world. People are, by nature, overall, by and large, disobedient. Even good people of good parentage.

    And my main point is that this is a good thing. Because ultimately it is far better to learn from your own mistakes and learn to live autonomously than to rely on guides.

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  242. I agree that the serenity prayer is a good guide to emotional balance. What I don’t understand though, is your understanding of my ‘theory.’ What are you talking about??

    I don’t believe that people will always obey their parents, of course not. Even I have ‘rebelled’ against my parents in many ways. But I always try to *consider* and understand what they’re saying and where they’re coming from. My point is that not many people do that, but if people didn’t give in to their children’s impulses and demands, more children would do that, and fewer girls would grow up to be princesses, and fewer boys into maladjusted man-boys. And it does work. Many societies have more responsibly teenagers and adults as a result of better ‘training.’

    Parents acting as guides are are acting as just that, guides, not slave masters. People will have to learn from their mistakes regardless. Unfortunately, getting back to the topic, not many people do learn from their mistakes.. which is why you have women with dozens of sexual partners who hit 40 and scramble desperately for a husband, not even realizing how sad their lives are. Maybe if they had been *guided* better, by parents telling them honestly what the consequences of such actions would be, RATHER than condoning or even encouraging their worst behaviors, they would have learned some self-restraint and common sense, which are not innate to human nature. If they ever thought before blowing a guy just so they wouldn’t have to walk back to their own dorm (true story of an acquaintance of mine), “is this a decent thing to do/will i regret this later” they would think twice before doing something embarrassing and pathetic.

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  243. Yes, Hmm, we agree that helicopter parenting and being overprotective is at least as harmful as not providing good guidance and being a good role model.

    I don’t have experience with kids being out of control and not following the good advice of respectful parents. I suppose that happens.

    But then again I don’t share the popular opinion that girls slutting around are misbehaving and that it is a bad thing that will eventually bite them in the ass. I think they are adjusting appropriately to a changing world.

    Most women do wind up marrying, after all. Even after all that cock.

    I may be the only person on this forum who thinks that way.

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  244. I’m not the first person to remark the strange incongruency of republican thought. They are fiscally free-market, but socially communist. Conformism is a value of social conservatives, and yet conformism is nothing but communism.

    I’m a free market social anarchist.

    Go grrrrl.

    People are stupid. But the aren’t THAT stupid. Generally people make able choices of risk to reward. A lot of us have troubles with addictive rewards that come at risks, but we manage. We learn, adapt, or perish.

    A social safety net, a communist understanding of social responsibility, is as fraught with danger as is fiscal one.

    The young girls of today are adapting and doing just fine. It’s us men who are learning to play catch up. And we will.

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  245. The Australian statutory rape law is very good. The age of consent is 16, but if the guy has reason to believe that she is 16 (eg if she is in a nightclub restricted to +21s) AND she is over 14, then the guy will get off (couldn’t resist).

    It seems like a good balance between protecting the guys and protecting 12 year old girls.

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  246. on July 9, 2010 at 10:08 pm Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    Americans love to talk about America and how it is going and where it is going. But it is all bullshit.

    In reality they are watching “Where everybody knows your name” clone nº 23840394, where this time a stupid fucking american retardouche, who cannot do anything valuable (and who also is poorly played), is torn between freudian platitudes and force-fed clichés. BUT IS FUCKING A LOT OF WOMEN.

    So is the mighty gigantic tucker max.

    This show is the “wannabe bad” version of Brothers and Sisters, Jesus, oh my.

    This shit reminds me; where the fuck is GBFM?

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  247. For chrissakes, there are 14 year olds in parts of the world getting married off and pumping out children of their own.

    True. However your point is only valid if they CHOSE to do so, which isn’t always the case and doesn’t support your arguement too well.

    While I understand the arguements against statutory rape laws, comments by Thursday, DF, and simon had good points as well.

    And besides, I’m a little skeeved at the idea of an adult having sex with a 13,14 year old. And can you imagine the conversations???

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  248. on July 9, 2010 at 11:51 pm Smashing_Retards

    A lot of “women” are playing a lot of games.

    So, Kate, Name, hmmm, Lily, and all you other supposedly good women, I’d like a direct answer:

    Is it appropriate to jail a 30 year old man for having voluntary sex with a 15 year old women.

    A yes or no will do.

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  249. @Capt. Oblivious

    “You sound like a tool.”

    Yes, the tool of your imminent demise in the very unlikely event that you successfully employ game on my 13-year-old.

    “It is overbearing daddies like you that drive young girls into the hands of an older man. What you don’t realize is that the more you tell a girl she can’t do something, the more she wants to do it.”

    Oh I’m quite aware of my limitations when it comes to controlling what my daughter does. There’s only so much a dad can do in that regard and I always try to be reasonable.

    This isn’t about her. It’s about you, and all your like-minded pals. With you I will not be the least bit reasonable. I’m sure I speak for millions of dads worldwide when I say that I am ready and willing to dispatch any adult male who has sex with my daughter before she reaches a reasonable age of consent. Keep that in mind if you ever leave your keyboard and take your guru’s cavalier “She had tits, how was I to know?” attitude toward young teens into the real world.

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  250. Dad
    By your forceful threat-making you create a powerful endorsement of Roissyite “game”.
    I mean. you would not bother making such noises if you thought game was lame and ineffective. So, clearly you have personal reasons to believe otherwise.
    Besides, you are just prepping yourself to commit murder, in a blind rage, of some young guy your daughter seduces. Which she could easily do in a heart-beat, purely on a whim.

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  251. Dad
    Your rumblings merely add up to an endorsement of the value of game in loosening the thighs of nubile young women. I mean, you would not have bothered if you believed it was in-effective.
    And consider that you are setting yourself to act in a very foolish manner when your darling child seduces some young kid – which she could do in a heartbeat. Imagine the conversations that would follow your rash act – with the police and with the parents of an ambushed boy.

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  252. @Dad

    Did you even bother reading any of the comments here? Nobody is advocating banging 13-year-olds. Most guys here probably agree that 18 is a reasonable age of consent.

    If you still have problems with that fairly high age of consent, then that is your friggin problem – not anyone else.

    Please take your meds. You are obviously going crazy so stay away from the computer as well.

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  253. Rum

    Dad
    Your rumblings merely add up to an endorsement of the value of game in loosening the thighs of nubile young women. I mean, you would not have bothered if you believed it was in-effective.

    Right. Because it takes loads of skill to game a 13-year-old.

    K

    Nobody is advocating banging 13-year-olds. Most guys here probably agree that 18 is a reasonable age of consent.

    Just a *few* excerpts from the above thread:

    “Feminists instead wanted to make it a male crime for guys to seduce any high school or younger girl. They pushed for 18 everywhere. Even while the average age of girls first intercourse was 15.5 or so.”
    ***
    “Isn’t the height of female fertility around 15 or 16?? Seems to be a disconnect between what mothehr nature intended and our legal system.”
    ***
    “…but my approach was doomed from the start when I saw that each girl was maybe 13-15.
    Statutory Rape is not there to protect girls. It is there to prevent 15-17 year old girls from hooking up with older guys.
    Who does that benefit?”
    ***
    “In Spain the age of consent is only 13 isn’t it? I found this video on YouTube – this French film guy was hanging around Spanish night-clubs and got a couple of minutes footage – at the end there he bumps into an absolutely stunning Spanish chick and listen to what she says to the camera – we have got to get to Spain!”

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  254. Kate baby,

    I’d didn’t mean that I think that age is OK, I was just making a general comment about the low age of consent over in Spain and a comment about the sexiness of Spanish chicks in general.

    I really really want a Spanish girl. I mean right now. World Cup final, I figure if Spain wins, these Spanish girls will be in the mood to party. I’m going to find a Spanish bar. But I will only sleep with an adult (20 years and over).

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  255. on July 10, 2010 at 2:57 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’Dad
    @Capt. Oblivious

    “You sound like a tool.”

    Yes, the tool of your imminent demise in the very unlikely event that you successfully employ game on my 13-year-old.

    “It is overbearing daddies like you that drive young girls into the hands of an older man. What you don’t realize is that the more you tell a girl she can’t do something, the more she wants to do it.”

    Oh I’m quite aware of my limitations when it comes to controlling what my daughter does. There’s only so much a dad can do in that regard and I always try to be reasonable.

    This isn’t about her. It’s about you, and all your like-minded pals. With you I will not be the least bit reasonable. I’m sure I speak for millions of dads worldwide when I say that I am ready and willing to dispatch any adult male who has sex with my daughter before she reaches a reasonable age of consent. Keep that in mind if you ever leave your keyboard and take your guru’s cavalier “She had tits, how was I to know?” attitude toward young teens into the real world.

    ”””””””””

    The only problem with this theory is that woman, judges, and lawyers are having a field day removing money, houses, cars, business and all kinds of other shit from dads. Oh yea the woman are also removing the daughters of the dads and giving them to their moms to watch there mom then have a train of men come through the house. So yea ya don’t really see a rash of killing going on of those people fucking the dudes so bad. I would think someone fucking their daughter would be the least of a dads worries in current regime. I mean it happens but it’s not in the millions of deaths or the rape of men would stop.

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  256. on July 10, 2010 at 3:27 am Gunslingergregi

    Marriage Divorce1
    Year Number Rate2 Number Rate2
    Marriages Divorces
    1900 709,000 9.3 55,751 0.7
    1910 948,166 10.3 83,045 0.9
    1920 1,274,476 12.0 170,505 1.6
    1930 1,126,856 9.2 195,961 1.6
    1940 1,595,879 12.1 264,000 2.0
    1950 1,667,231 11.1 385,144 2.6
    1960 1,523,000 8.5 393,000 2.2
    1965 1,800,000 9.3 479,000 2.5
    1970 2,158,802 10.6 708,000 3.5
    1975 2,152,662 10.1 1,036,000 4.9
    1980 2,406,708 10.6 1,182,000 5.2
    1981 2,438,000 10.6 1,219,000 5.3
    1982 2,495,000 10.8 1,180,000 5.1
    1983 2,444,000 10.5 1,179,000 5.0
    1984 2,487,000 10.5 1,155,000 4.9
    1985 2,425,000 10.2 1,187,000 5.0
    1986 2,400,000 10.0 1,159,000 4.8
    1987 2,421,000 9.9 1,157,000 4.8
    1988 2,389,000 9.7 1,183,000 4.8
    1989 2,404,000 9.7 1,163,000 4.7
    1990 2,448,000 9.8 1,175,000 4.7
    1991 2,371,000 9.4 1,187,000 4.7
    1992 2,362,000 9.2 1,215,000 4.8
    1993 2,334,000 9.0 1,187,000 4.6
    1994 2,362,000 9.1 1,191,000 4.6
    1995 2,336,000 8.9 1,169,000 4.4
    1996 2,344,000 8.8 1,150,000 4.3
    1997 2,384,000 8.9 1,163,000 4.3
    1998 2,256,000 8.4 1,135,000 4.2
    1999 2,358,000 8.6 — 4.1
    2000 2,329,000 8.5 — 4.2
    2001 2,327,000 8.4 — 4.0
    2002 2,254,000 7.8 — 4.0
    2003 2,187,000 7.5 — 3.8
    2004 2,279,000 7.8 — 3.7
    2005 2,230,000 7.5 — 3.6
    2006 2,193,000 7.6 — 3.6
    2007 2,208,000 7.4 — 3.7
    2008 2,208,000 7.3 — 3.6

    So kind of hard to watch out for your daughter when you are not living in the sme household.

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  257. on July 10, 2010 at 4:13 am Gunslingergregi

    So since 1900 there has been a signifigant percentage of divorces and yet a 110 years later divorce is still looked at as some kind of anomaly?

    It is normal for 50 percent of marriages to fail.

    So why is it still that woman recieve the bulk of the reward in divorce relative to their input and think of themselves still as the ones who get the raw deal in life when guys have been getting bent over for over a 100 years for christsakes.

    With all our education and people going to school for minimum 12 years we are taught nothing. Did I have a class on repairing household electricity sure didn’t. Was I taught that marriage is for chumps sure wasn’t. Was I taught how to fix an a/c no. Was I taught how to repair a car nope. Was I taught how to build a house no. Was I taught how to do one pratical thing that would enrich my life in 12 years of school not too much.

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  258. on July 10, 2010 at 4:28 am Gunslingergregi

    Being an american man is good for one thing making and saving the money to live in another country where men are free.

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  259. on July 10, 2010 at 4:35 am Gunslingergregi

    Including 1950’s lover divorce was still 25 percent of marriages and 33 percent of marriages that happened 10 years earlier. There was no golden time for marriage. There was no time when marriage wasn’t a raw deal. There was no happy time. Marriage has always been a way of enslaving men and forcing them to give up resources for participating in a naturally occuring event called marriage and a equally natural occuring event called divorce and thinking there was something wrong with them for getting divorced and they should be punished no they are normal.

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  260. on July 10, 2010 at 5:00 am gunslingergregi

    So half the men getting married getting fucked over and half the men getting married not getting fucked he he he
    Way to use their own natural inclinations and stupidity during young years against an entire sex. Maybe men need some age of consent laws to protect them. Any man getting married before 35 should not be held responsible for a dam thing that happens in the marriage as he is not matur enough to understand the consequences of his destroyed life. Why are men always looked at as supposed to understand a lifetime of child suport payments or alimony in return for getting some pussy not good pussy not great pussy just a pussy that they are supposed to work with. Most men don’t have the experience to know the diference.

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  261. on July 10, 2010 at 6:34 am namae nanka

    “I am ready and willing to dispatch any adult male who has sex with my daughter before she reaches a reasonable age of consent.”

    Haven’t read vagina monologues, have you?

    I wonder if your attitude will be the same if a son of yours was convicted as a sex-offender.

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  262. @Rom

    “By your forceful threat-making you create a powerful endorsement of Roissyite “game”.
    I mean. you would not bother making such noises if you thought game was lame and ineffective.”

    I’m sure it is quite effective. I’ve even used some of it on my wife to good result (countering shit tests.) Roissy writes an entertaining blog and his advice seems generally sound (until this post.) Who knows, a few of you acne-scarred otaku virgins might one day game a woman into sleeping with you. Good luck with that. Just make sure it is an actual woman and not a child… or you might run into a dad who is willing to do hard time for the pleasure of seeing you expire.

    “Imagine the conversations that would follow your rash act – with the police and with the parents of an ambushed boy.”

    Boy…? No. I’m talking about men, adults, people like Roissy saying that they should be allowed to screw any “physically developed” girl without legal consequences, and specifically mentioning ages like 13 and 14. These gentlemen need the fear of Dad implanted in them.

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  263. @namae shiranai

    “Haven’t read vagina monologues, have you?”

    Zen zen kyomi ga nai.

    “I wonder if your attitude will be the same if a son of yours was convicted as a sex-offender.”

    The law should not punish sex between boys and girls close to the same age. A 16-year-old boy who sleeps with a 14-year-old girl should fear an angry dad, but he shouldn’t have legal troubles on top of that. A 32-year-old man who does the same should feel lucky if the sheriff finds him before Dad does.

    [editor: if a 14 year old girl can psychologically consent to sex with a 16 year old boy, she can do the same with a 32 year old man. there is nothing in her mental processes that changes between the two scenarios. if anything, many 16 year old boys have better game than 32 year old men.]

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  264. @Dad,

    The law should not punish sex between boys and girls close to the same age. A 16-year-old boy who sleeps with a 14-year-old girl should fear an angry dad, but he shouldn’t have legal troubles on top of that. A 32-year-old man who does the same should feel lucky if the sheriff finds him before Dad does.

    I think no one with at least half a brain and not sociopathic would agree with you there.

    Not to be a dick about it, but how would you call it at, say, 17 and 28?

    PS: I think that historically, random guys who bed 13-year-old girls, or even 14-year-old ones, had to be pretty light on their feet after the fact, or they’d find themselves on the receiving end of a mob and clippers.

    Don’t listen to these bozos. They’re trolling.

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  265. “how would you call it at, say, 17 and 28?”

    I wouldn’t approve of my daughter having a boyfriend that much older than her at 17, but it shouldn’t be a legal issue. I agree with those who have said that 16 is about the right age for legal consent.

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  266. Gorb,

    Think you meant to say “anyone” rather than “no one”, you said it backwards.

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  267. on July 10, 2010 at 8:26 am namae nanka

    “The law should not punish sex between boys and girls close to the same age. A 16-year-old boy who sleeps with a 14-year-old girl should fear an angry dad, but he shouldn’t have legal troubles on top of that.”

    See the link I posted above, how’s a man to know a girl is 14 when she’s had about 3 years of post-pubertal development?
    See fedrz’s link.

    “Zen zen kyomi ga nai”

    goddamit I’m just a bleach fan.

    “I think no one with at least half a brain and not sociopathic would agree with you there.”

    gorby don’t slip up like this, makes me wonder how much erroneous information I get from your posts.

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  268. I think Mad Men is a much more realistic depiction of the alpha/beta dichotomy. Don Draper blows Hank Moody away on all levels of cool, controlled, aloof.

    Here’s a good starter for those who haven’t seen the show.

    Note the outstanding “neg” at 1:39 “Are you Amish or something?”

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  269. Kate,
    I went and reread your comments and see now I was a little hard on you. At first it just seemed like you were complaining about how difficult it is to be young and pretty, but I realize that wasn’t exactly what you were doing. Anyway, most of your comments are pretty good.

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  270. “Is it appropriate to jail a 30 year old man for having voluntary sex with a 15 year old women.

    A yes or no will do.”

    No. (Although I’m not sure about the haven’t-yet-menstruated 15-year-olds (there are still some at this age)

    18 is a CLEAR cutoff. I also think that 16-17 (definitely 18) isn’t too young to have a baby either (so I’m probably in a minority compared to the abort-anything-before-you’ve-earned-your-PhD crowd.) I’m also a parent. (I might be in a minority here compared to the childless female commentors.) I have a daughter.

    And I still DON’T support the sex offender registry. Of course, I actually watch and parent my child.

    I do think female teens are much smarter than they’re given credit for. Definitely can be quite calculating.

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  271. [editor: if a 14 year old girl can psychologically consent to sex with a 16 year old boy, she can do the same with a 32 year old man. there is nothing in her mental processes that changes between the two scenarios. if anything, many 16 year old boys have better game than 32 year old men.]

    Yes, but the 32 year old man is being abusive, because he just wants sex from a girl who is not yet mentally his equal. Or worse yet, he wants love and affection from her!

    Whereas the 16 year old boy is just following his natural urges, of just wanting sex, from a girl who may or may not yet be his mental equal. But at least he will more likely want love and affection from her!

    Very different. We can’t have the man actually be more knowledgable than the girl. That would never, never do. That’s abuse!

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  272. My first girlfriend for sex had lost her virginity to her 40 year old neighbor. She was 11. She portrays the event as good for her.

    I don’t think that guy should have gone to jail.

    I remember when I was 11. Damn right I was ready to fuck. I bet you were too.

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  273. on July 10, 2010 at 12:43 pm Smashing_Retards

    Cowards avoid answering the question everywhere!

    Oddly, only “Dad” managed to actually answer the question, which makes sense, cause he is a man!

    The law should not punish sex between boys and girls close to the same age. A 16-year-old boy who sleeps with a 14-year-old girl should fear an angry dad, but he shouldn’t have legal troubles on top of that. A 32-year-old man who does the same should feel lucky if the sheriff finds him before Dad does.

    Most women are naturally incapable of answering a direct question when the answer doesn’t benefit them. Especially when they are selfish, evil whores trying to restrict competition.

    The primary problem these whores seem to have is that beta men cannot yet be put in jail for LOOKING AND TALKING TO THEM WHILE BETA.

    The “religious” whore is especially amusing. She probably grew up in a family where Momma decided everything and bullied everyone, and would very much like to be the Queen of her own little court.

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  274. xsplat,
    I am obviously not the father of a teenage girl so I can’t speak to that. However, I’m just wondering if the difference in Dad’s perception of the two scenarios might be due to the fact that he sees a 32 year old man as more of his equal than he does a 16 year old boy.

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  275. The “religious” whore is especially amusing. She probably grew up in a family where Momma decided everything and bullied everyone, and would very much like to be the Queen of her own little court.

    I agree that Matriarchy is the default household social arrangement. Patriarchy is preferred, but it’s my belief that it was never that common. Anywhere or anytime. Women tend to be superior at manipulation.

    And I think this is one reason why women hate the older guy, younger woman dynamic. Because it will result in Patriarchy. The woman will be less socially skilled than the man, and so less able to manipulate him.

    Women not only limit competition, they enforce the social contract. Which is that the cutest girls are to go to the hottest and highest status men (they will gossip up a storm if they see otherwise), and that pussy is never to given away for free to betas.

    Add that to the fact that competition from young women totally pulls the rug out from their notion that a Queen is of higher status than a hot young teen, and yes, she’ll do anything in her evil power to stop teens from fucking marriagable men.

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  276. Laura, I don’t follow.

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  277. I think I was actually responding to something Roissy said in an above comment not you.

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  278. Pupu just watched several episodes of the show. Moody is what, pupu imagines, a heavier drinking version of Roissy is like.

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  279. on July 10, 2010 at 1:20 pm Capt. Obvious

    Dad,

    Did you even read my comments, faggot daddy?

    Or do you just shoot from the hip, like most republifags?

    I have no fear of you since…drum roll please…I DONT FUCK UNDERAGE GIRLS.

    Your tough guy attitude is baloney considering this is the interwebs.

    Sidenote:

    As for those who say you can’t tell if a girl is 18 (and not a high school senior), who the fuck are you kidding?

    You would have to be pretty socially retarded to not be able to tell.

    Even if a 16 or 17 year old tried to lie to me about being older, within 30 min (tops) of talking to her I would know her real age because…wait for it….wait for it…I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A COLLEGE FRESHMAN AND A HIGH SCHOOL GIRL.

    I can also tell the difference between a girl who got a job right after high school, as say a waitress or hostess, and a real high school girl. There are tons of these type girls where I live, and they act differently and work big blocks of time during 8am – 5pm.

    The difference is like night and day.

    So this fake idea that you are going to get tricked by some underage slut is a bit of a mental exercise in futility.

    But if you are worried, just ask her age if she looks young.

    Oh, yeah, and one more thing… FUCK YOU DAD.

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  280. on July 10, 2010 at 1:36 pm gunslingergregi

    Not really sure you could for sure tell.

    Would you consider a woman with two kids and married 17?
    My next door neighbor was.
    Had to get permission from parents at 16 to marry an 18 year old.

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  281. Laura,

    Thank you, I really appreciate that.

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  282. on July 10, 2010 at 1:50 pm Capt. Obvious

    “Not really sure you could for sure tell.

    Would you consider a woman with two kids and married 17?
    My next door neighbor was.
    Had to get permission from parents at 16 to marry an 18 year old.”

    Dude. I can tell.

    For instance, lets say a 17-year-old tried to pull a fast on me and pretend she was a freshmen enrolled at a local college.

    I would just ask her questions about college, like: how many units are taking, who are your profs, what dorm do you live in, are you thinking about joining a sorority, etc., etc…

    College is so different from high school that I would eventually catch her bullshit.

    If the 17-year-old tried wasn’t trying to pass as a college girl and was trying to pretend to just be older, then I could always just ask to meet her for lunch and pick her up at the place she works…like around noon. I would do this if she seemed really young.

    Again, the fact that most 16 & 17 year old girls are high school students makes it fairly easy to figure out if they are bullshitting.

    It is not full proof, but it will cover like what…95%+ of all cases.

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  283. With regards to above failed pickup, you are all making it too fucking complicated. I always use two principles.

    1. I am the prize
    2. Women like being told what to do

    So this is how it should have played out.

    Waitress: “Hey guy I am thinking about fucking, I work on days XYZ” (this is beta bait, if you indicate you would come back on one of those days, she is the prize)

    Man in Charge: “Well my buddies and I go to location A on day not XYZ. See you there.” (There are now 2 options: either she comes ready to fuck, or you meet someone new at the bar. win win imo)

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  284. on July 10, 2010 at 2:01 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’It is not full proof, but it will cover like what…95%+ of all cases.””””””””

    Dam and I thought it was bad what happened to my dad lol

    At least when I was in my prime in the states I didn’t have to worry about all the underage bullshit or the going to jail for fighting. I guess why I could almost say I grew up almost feeling free. Young men today are arrested by police for fighting in 4th and 5th grade. Growing up in a I don’t know what you would call it other than police states that controls every thing you do or say. Only advice would be save money it keeps getting worse.

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  285. on July 10, 2010 at 2:09 pm gunslingergregi

    Turning young men into paranoid freaks at least you should be given some time to grow into it for gods sakes where the fuck is the ability for a young man to make one fucking mistake where is any fucking justice to be had. None.
    Always ready to ruin a mans working life at any point along the scale. Then tell him he is free. Then tell him he doesn’t even deserve a job after making it through the gauntlet through his childhood that was set up.

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  286. @Smashing_Retards
    I missed your original question hence I didn’t reply. If I had, I would have answered.
    As an aside I have never claimed to be a ‘good girl’ but please don’t refer to me as a whore, well obviously you can if you want to but if you do again, I won’t reply to any questions you pose me.

    IMO if a 30 year old man has sex with a 15 year old girl, then yes, he should be jailed or know he has a very strong chance of being jailed. I’m speaking from living in a land where the statutory age is 16 and whilst on the whole people don’t go to jail for statutory rape (someone has to complain to the police for it to be actioned), a 39 year old female teacher was recently jailed for about 2.5 years for having sex with a 15 year old boy pupil.

    However, I think a suspended sentence would be more appropriate as that would filter between regular people and predatory men who target and groom under underage girls (and there are plenty around).

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  287. on July 10, 2010 at 3:31 pm namae nanka

    [editor: if a 14 year old girl can psychologically consent to sex with a 16 year old boy, she can do the same with a 32 year old man. there is nothing in her mental processes that changes between the two scenarios. if anything, many 16 year old boys have better game than 32 year old men.]

    I am obviously not the father of a teenage girl so I can’t speak to that. However, I’m just wondering if the difference in Dad’s perception of the two scenarios might be due to the fact that he sees a 32 year old man as more of his equal than he does a 16 year old boy.

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  288. Capt. Obvious said “So this fake idea that you are going to get tricked by some underage slut is a bit of a mental exercise in futility”

    @name nanka
    I find it very hard to believe that a man as intelligent as yourself would find it hard to tell a 13 year old from a late teen. You only need to talk to one for a little bit.

    Besides as far as I know, in Indian schools kids wear uniforms (like in most English schools) so if are really worried about being tricked by the seemingly (according to this blog) vast amounts of underage girls who are so desperate for sex from older men why not go meet your new date during the day at their college or workplace during the day, you’d soon know. Or make your first time in their bedroom so you can check for pink and posters of boy bands lol.

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  289. on July 10, 2010 at 3:59 pm namae nanka

    “I find it very hard to believe that a man as intelligent as yourself would find it hard to tell a 13 year old from a late teen. You only need to talk to one for a little bit.”

    What can I say mistress, I just lose my mind in front of a pretty girl.
    I wanted Dad to look at that link and the fedrz post in particular. What was gonna be said later, has already been said by you Roissy.

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  290. on July 10, 2010 at 4:02 pm Smashing_Retards

    Again, the fact that most 16 & 17 year old girls are high school students makes it fairly easy to figure out if they are bullshitting.

    Well, “Captain Obvious” let me give you a “clue”:
    1.Everyone isn’t as smart as you.

    2.When they are drunk, they get stupider.

    3.When they are dealing sexually with women, they get begin to act virtually retarded. You’ve seen this, so I have to assume you are using your Imagination to ignore this.

    4.When they have had a months long dry spell… i.e. they are a regular guy…. they get even stupider. Again, does this really need to be repeated?

    So, in conclusion, “Captain Obvious” claims that a below average intelligence drunk guy talking to a sexually attractive woman after several months without sex will be able to “easily” tell she is lying about her age.

    That’s nice.

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  291. on July 10, 2010 at 4:07 pm Smashing_Retards

    Lily said:

    I missed your original question hence I didn’t reply. If I had, I would have answered.
    As an aside I have never claimed to be a ‘good girl’ but please don’t refer to me as a whore, well obviously you can if you want to but if you do again, I won’t reply to any questions you pose me.

    IMO if a 30 year old man has sex with a 15 year old girl, then yes, he should be jailed or know he has a very strong chance of being jailed. I’m speaking from living in a land where the statutory age is 16 and whilst on the whole people don’t go to jail for statutory rape (someone has to complain to the police for it to be actioned), a 39 year old female teacher was recently jailed for about 2.5 years for having sex with a 15 year old boy pupil.

    However, I think a suspended sentence would be more appropriate as that would filter between regular people and predatory men who target and groom under underage girls (and there are plenty around).

    Since Lily is completely uncaring about inflicting insane levels of suffering on men, and completely selfish about having what she “wants” … I’m not really sure what I have to say to a feminist whore such as herself.

    Oh yeah, Lily the feminist whore, you are way overpriced.

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  292. “[editor: if a 14 year old girl can psychologically consent to sex with a 16 year old boy, she can do the same with a 32 year old man. there is nothing in her mental processes that changes between the two scenarios. if anything, many 16 year old boys have better game than 32 year old men.]

    I am obviously not the father of a teenage girl so I can’t speak to that. However, I’m just wondering if the difference in Dad’s perception of the two scenarios might be due to the fact that he sees a 32 year old man as more of his equal than he does a 16 year old boy.”

    If many 16 year olds boys have better game than many 32 year old men, I do wonder what happens to them in the next 16 years that makes them lose it.

    IMO, in certain circumstances there may not be something different in her mental processes, in others there may be, e.g. a 32 year old man is more likely to be capable of playing ‘head games’ on her that a 16 year old boy may not be capable of. Also, the man can get her into more situations (own car, own place etc) where she can be pressured into sex than a 16 year old boy can. Depends on the situation.

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  293. @Smashing_Retards

    You asked me for my opinion, I gave it.

    I think the laws in my land are on the whole just and when they are called into play (as I said, they aren’t very often), they should be applied to women and men equally, although as I said I would personally favour suspended sentences over jail, at least on a first incident. I’m hardly demanding what I want.

    If your idea of discussing something on an internet board is asking people their opinion and it doesn’t agree with your opinion calling them an overpriced feminist whore, I certainly won’t be conversing with you again. Goodbye and good luck.

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  294. on July 10, 2010 at 4:21 pm namae nanka

    “If many 16 year olds boys have better game than many 32 year old men, I do wonder what happens to them in the next 16 years that makes them lose it.”

    They become more conscientious, and “socially” adept?

    “Also, the man can get her into more situations (own car, own place etc) where she can be pressured into sex than a 16 year old boy can. Depends on the situation.”

    Yup depends on the situation. Let’s say first case for the study:
    A 32 y.o. virgin or widower or divorced vs 16 year asshole cad?

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  295. “Yup depends on the situation. Let’s say first case for the study:
    A 32 y.o. virgin or widower or divorced vs 16 year asshole cad?”
    She should say to both of them ‘I decided I’m going to lose my virginity in a relationship where we both love each other and not before I’m 16’ 😉
    But assuming that the 32 year old is not being a predator and/or using her to practice ‘pump & dump’ before he moves onto new pastures, then he’s better in this case.

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  296. on July 10, 2010 at 4:29 pm namae nanka

    The problem with the phrase “depends on the situation” is, that it’s a cop out.

    Anything can happen, the 16 y.o. might let his raging hormones take over and get physical, the 32 y.o. can cajole her into sexual favours. Which one of them will be more psychologically hurtful to the girl?

    Can I use the answer to the above to generalise for all such cases? No.
    For most of the cases? Subject to appropriate assumptions, yes I can.

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  297. @namae nanka
    You’re right, probably best if everyone just leaves the 14 year old girls alone.

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  298. on July 10, 2010 at 4:33 pm namae nanka

    “She should say to both of them ‘I decided I’m going to lose my virginity in a relationship where we both love each other and not before I’m 16′ ;-)”

    Shit test lol.

    “But assuming that the 32 year old is not being a predator and/or using her to practice ‘pump & dump’ before he moves onto new pastures, then he’s better in this case.”

    What? No “let’s play-taming the alpha”?

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  299. on July 10, 2010 at 4:45 pm namae nanka

    “You’re right, probably best if everyone just leaves the 14 year old girls alone.”

    But can the girls keep their gina tingles in their pants?

    Dad should rather game her little angel and game her hard. Of course keep the sexual parts for the mother.

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  300. on July 10, 2010 at 5:42 pm Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    Xsplat: Very different. We can’t have the man actually be more knowledgable than the girl. That would never, never do. That’s abuse!

    HAHAHAHA (!!!) and 1. what about the other way around? 2. How can you be able to discern but not discern at the same time? 3. mentally equal? WTF 4. are you retarded?

    if she knows what it is (sex) then she is “mentally equal”

    man, talk about PC phrasing: “mentally equal”.

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  301. on July 10, 2010 at 5:43 pm Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    everybody is more knowledgeable than everybody, and the other way around.

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  302. on July 10, 2010 at 5:59 pm gunslingergregi

    Really though white woman been accepting the white males money in us for over a 100 years with him being made to give it at gun point. Time for some new woman. Do ya see any white woman not accept the hand out from divorce not really. Did they stand up and say it is not fair? No. Fuck em.

    Asian men have it fucking made. Let us just admit someone has a better way of dealing with woman than we do.

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  303. on July 10, 2010 at 6:05 pm gunslingergregi

    I mean really who cared enough to tell us marriage wasn’t meant to last?

    The church?
    Our dads?
    Our moms?
    School?
    Anyone?

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  304. on July 10, 2010 at 6:14 pm gunslingergregi

    And can’t one of the useless lawyers in massachussetts come up with a defense for a man that the only reason the woman married him and gave up the pussy was so she could get the alimony for getting divorced. Or how can he be punished for bait and switch. Promise for life knowing half end in failure.
    With prenumps getting overturned on men because the woman did not have her own lawyer in the room to make sure she got a fair trade. How can a man with no lawyer and no one explaining at the alter or even the words said at the alter not include the words “I fully understand that half of marriages end in divorce almost over the last hundred years and that I will be financially responsible to a woman that will no longer love me or give me any kind of benefit if we divorce but I will give her money monthly or go to jail.”

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  305. Lily,

    Thus why I didn’t respond to Retard’s question. I knew it wasn’t genuine and it wouldn’t end well. It’s hard to make progress in a discussion when one party can only communicate with four letter words and insults. I guess when you spend the greater part of your time with 13 and 14-year-olds, good communication skills aren’t important. It’s really not that hard to sit back and call people names — people usually start this process in kindergarten.

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  306. on July 10, 2010 at 6:18 pm gunslingergregi

    No kate it is because he smashes retards.

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  307. on July 10, 2010 at 6:29 pm gunslingergregi

    Everything has already been studied and statted out everything is a pretty lie geared towards a desired effect or outcome.

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  308. on July 10, 2010 at 8:59 pm Smashing_Retards

    Lily, and the other wacky evil whores, have finally said what they wanted.

    And what they want is to destroy the man’s life.

    Maybe Lily or Kate, those two wacky evil whores, are gonna say that the “only way” to get men not to deliberately sleep with underage women is to put them in jail and destroy their lives?

    Well, that’s pretty RETARDED.

    Community service, fines, enforced “sex management classes” are all possible.

    What Lily wants… and what Kate wants, make them evil whores.

    It’s really not that hard to figure out. It’s like if Jeffrey Dahmer was “open” about his desire to kill and eat people.

    He is still a evil, insane cannibal.

    And you are still a selfish, evil, feminist whore who sees nothing wrong with destroying a man’s life “cause you can”.

    You can take you excuse and shove it up your *bleep*.

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  309. I miss GBFM much more than I expected. The last few threads have illustrated by contrast how effective he was at repelling idiots.

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  310. [editor: if a 14 year old girl can psychologically consent to sex with a 16 year old boy, she can do the same with a 32 year old man. there is nothing in her mental processes that changes between the two scenarios. if anything, many 16 year old boys have better game than 32 year old men.]

    if an 8 year old girl can psychologically consent to sex with a 10 year old boy, she can do the same with a 32 year old man. there is nothing in her mental processes that changes between the two scenarios. if anything, many 10 year old boys have better game than 32 year old men.

    [editor: an 8 year old girl cannot consent to sex because she is not sexually developed. she has no concept of what sex entails or how it would feel. therefore, your equivalency fails.]

    This is where your logic leads. Do you really want to go there?

    [my logic remains unchallenged.]

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  311. Sure some teen boys are better at manipulating young girls into sex than adult men with cars, apartments and money to spend. And some women are better at basketball than men… and some black people are better chess players than Russian Jews… and I’m sure you see the point. We shouldn’t be getting this kind of fallacy from a Steveosphere blogger.

    [editor: forget the game part of my argument. it’s a minor consideration compared to the meat of my logic.]

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  313. Dad, do you even realize that your main objection is to a power differential in the relationship between young girls and old men?

    Why do you have that power differential objective?

    Don’t you agree that it is because you have internalized a feminine frame, and see the world from the point of view of the agenda of women?

    Women don’t need equal rights. They don’t want equal rights. They want to dominate. And men want to dominate. Usually, in sexual relationships, women dominate. Rarely men do. Both situations are workable, but many believe that when the man dominates it is more sexually and romantically and emotionally stable and satisfying for both partners.

    Power imbalances that favor men are not pathological. Your superego is tainted with pussy.

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  314. Why do you have that power differential objection.

    You must hate love. Or hate young love. Or hate older men.

    Nope, all you hate is men with more power than women, in sexual relations.

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  315. [editor: an 8 year old girl cannot consent to sex because she is not sexually developed. she has no concept of what sex entails or how it would feel. therefore, your equivalency fails.]

    Prepubecent children have sexual feelings. Little boys get hard-ons and little girls get wet. It isn’t uncommon for them to play sexual games with each other even to the point of touching and penetrating. As responsible adults we may have some concerns about that but we don’t flip out because we realize that it’s a natural part of growing up.

    Adult-child sex is an entirely different matter. We protect children from it for a variety of reasons not least of which is a natural revulsion and contempt for adults who engage in it. From a societal order point of view it makes sense to outlaw a practice which may cause a large portion of the population to fly into a murderous rage.

    As children hit puberty this changes but only by degree. There is no off/on switch that gets flipped. A girl of 14 has more sexual feelings, awareness and maturity but she is still clearly a child in 21st century societies and no match for an adult. The revulsion of society for men who have sex with 14-year-olds may be less than for those who go after 8-year-olds but there is still plenty enough of it that it needs to be dealt with.

    So to sum up… laws against sex with 8-year-olds – no brainer… laws against sex with 14-year-olds – still clearly the wisest choice is societies where 14 isn’t anywhere near full adulthood.

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  316. on July 11, 2010 at 1:59 am Smashing_Retards

    polymath, I’m so SORRY for saying that deliberately destroying someones life over might-be wrong, might-be damaging, maybe-a-crime-of-some-type is WRONG.

    Clearly, and I agree with you here, it is only wrong if it is a WOMAN’S life that is destroyed. Or maybe slightly inconvenienced.

    Now, for example, if a woman deliberately lies about her ex-husband molesting the kids, now that’s something that needs to be handled with kid’s gloves. Cause you know, and I know, that while, YES it was a crime, YES it was wrong, and YES it, if it succeeds, will completely destroy the man’s life BUT

    And here is THE BUT. The Genders are REVERSED! It’s ONLY A MAN BEING HURT. WHILE A WOMAN WOULD HAVE TO BE PUNISHED!

    I don’t think any of us are willing to go there!

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  317. @Dad

    So to sum up… laws against sex with 8-year-olds – no brainer… laws against sex with 14-year-olds – still clearly the wisest choice is societies where 14 isn’t anywhere near full adulthood.

    People, there’s a clear line and it should be drawn close to 15/16/17.

    Dad is spot on. Anyone who thinks a 15 year old should touch a 10 year-old is sick. There’s a clear development pattern to children.

    In my case, when I discovered that the woman I was seeing was 17, almost 18, I nearly had a conniption; an early 30’s guy with a 17 year-old seemed wrong. With a 21-year-old, in the circumstances, fine. This is what I thought.

    My only objection is sending said male to *jail*. Making him learn how to read a girl’s ID in a public setting and shaming him is one thing.

    But any man who starts to crawl too hard down that age ladder, any PUA who picks the green cherries off the tree, should be strung up. If I had a 13 or 14 year old who was introduced to sex by a 24 year-old, I’d go with Dad: He’d better run to the cops fast. Before I got to him. I have a rifle, too.

    PS: I personally confine myself to females that are 26+ only as a rule. It’s just safer. Also partly because 21-year-olds are harder to game for a guy older than 30, and also because older women are just more interesting as people. There *are* men who don’t write off women when they get older than 28.

    I personally don’t buy all the stories of PUAs messing around with the hot 18-21 year-olds every night of the week.

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  318. on July 11, 2010 at 3:56 am namae nanka

    “This is where your logic leads. Do you really want to go there?”

    And slipping on that slippery slope leads me to the conclusion that you it’s the fear of incest that goes in your head.
    Ain’t that just lovely?

    “Sure some teen boys are better at manipulating young girls into sex than adult men with cars, apartments and money to spend. ”

    :facepalm: They don’t need to manipulate her, you idiot. Game in not mere manipulation.
    The point was why would you have so different reactions to your daughter having sex that in one case you’ll be inclined to lose you head and pick up a gun, while in the other you would just be fine with flexing your arms hoping that the guy fears you.

    I’m not arguing whether one is right or one is wrong or which one of them is better, but that your thinking is unfounded.

    “From a societal order point of view it makes sense to outlaw a practice which may cause a large portion of the population to fly into a murderous rage.”

    haha and how much of that murderous rage has been built in by society itself? Muslims have better views about society then.

    “A girl of 14 has more sexual feelings, awareness and maturity but she is still clearly a child in 21st century societies and no match for an adult. ”

    lmao 21st century breeds infantile, feminised adults even though children are attaining puberty faster. The man-child is true but the woman-child is even truer.

    Life’s lessons and the so called maturity aren’t that hard to learn, it’s just that there are too many overprotective dads who would rather rage for laws and their guns than make their daughters understand what responsibility is and what their own responsibility is.

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  319. on July 11, 2010 at 4:01 am namae nanka

    And you know what, my slippery slope analogy is more feasible. Patriarchal oppression can cover a wide-variety of interests, it just takes one hyperactive feminista chick in the psychology department/women’s studies to use her two brain cells to come up with.
    Lusting for other men’s balls, check if you have some left lol.

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  320. on July 11, 2010 at 4:04 am namae nanka

    And a movie for the brain-dead based on the memoirs of a brain dead on this issue:
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1174732/

    If you don’t have the rage to kill this woman after watching this drivel then congratulations you have been brainwashed into the idiocracy!!

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  321. on July 11, 2010 at 4:06 am namae nanka

    “check if you have some left lol.”

    it should read: check if you will have some left.

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  322. Dad, dad, dad.

    What an authority figure, you cut. I liked you better when you talked about taking the law into your own hands.

    So now your argument is that wherever there is a grey area depending entirely on contextual individual circumstances, we need a black and white law that punishes well over and beyond retribution for harm done?

    I’m glad someone like you was never MY Dad.

    I even wonder if you are a male. I mean, fully male.

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  323. on July 11, 2010 at 5:12 am Tupac Chopra

    Smashing_Retards/Comment_Whatever has elevated snark and sarcasm to High Art.

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  325. “Game in not mere manipulation.”

    True, as Roissy describes it, game is mostly about changing your personality and habits to make yourself more appealing to women. Go for it.

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  326. Just a couple of points on the age of consent thing:-

    (i) there is a crucial difference between the average 8 year old and the average early teen and it relates not just to sexual feelings (denying that kids have some sexual feelings is a bit like the old Victorian denial that women had any sexual feelings) but rather to sexual development. I think most of the revulsion we feel about an adult male or female (as opposed to a kid around the same age, which we all know goes on) having sex play with a pre-pubertal child relates to the fact that that child is not sexually developed yet. There is a distinction between paeodphilia and under-age sex, and although there is necesarily some blurring of lines in this regard it is important to keep them separate.

    (ii) in relation to girls who are just past puberty, I would just point out that puberty can be quite difficult to adjust to, it can be a very stressful time and throw people completely off balance. I would imagine this is worse for girls who reach puberty earlier.

    Although not an attention whore (I hope) I have never personally found male attention particularly upsetting, but reading some of the female commenters on the site I think this may have been because for most of my early teens I never got very much attention because I was a small skinny kid who looked very young, I had no major growth spurt & grew up gradually over a number of years rather than in a very short space of time, this probably made things less stressful for me in one respect (although it was quite stressful in other respects, still having to shop in the kids’ department at 13, the shame).

    I think the other female commenters seem to have hit puberty much earlier and much more suddenly, and this would explain why they found it difficult to adjust, even I still found it quite stressful, changing into someone completely different, one does feel like a werewolf at times (I am only partly joking here).

    Adding male attention into the mix must really have made it very difficult and I can see how it would color one’s view of male attention generally.

    So I am just making the point that women can be physically ready to have sex in the sense of being capable of having children (although early pregnancies under the age of 16 or 17 are not necessarily the best either for the mother or the child) but that they may be quite emotionally vunerable for a couple of years afterwards. It is not necessarily that they are incapable of consenting, merely that they may suffer adverse consequences in terms of being thrown off balance (I appreciate this does not happen in every case).

    (iii) I personally think 18 is too high as an age of consent and it should be lowered a little. 18 did not reflect the practice among a lot of teens as I remember it, and none of these teens suffered any lasting damage. 16 would seem right imo (where I come from, it is 17).

    (iv) As to whether or not a 30 year old man should be sent to prison if he consensually sleeps with a 15 year old girl (I’ve moved the age downwards given my views on age of consent), whereas a 17 year old boy should not, I think the difference relates not to the vunerability of the girl (which is not necessarily that different in either situation, 17 year old boys were just as intimidating to me as 30 year old men when I was 15, they both seemed very ancient), but rather the vunerabilty of the boy.

    This follows on from the point in relation to dealing with puberty referred to earlier, this applies to boys as well as girls, a 17 year old guy is not necessarily in control of his own sexuality any more than a 14 or possibly even 15 year old girl, therefore he should not be judged by the same standards as an older male, in particular he is less well qualified to resist the girl if she comes on to him (as some, not all, girls do).

    I think prison is an extreme punishment even in the case of a 30 year old male, if consent was actually given by the girl in question, but it would seem to me that there would have to be some lesser sanction.

    Again, I would see a big difference between 14-15 and 16-17 in this regard, most girls, even late developers like me, are well over puberty by 16. A 16 year old male, of course, may be completely different, and this is something people tend to ignore in such debates.

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  327. Daedelus, as far as I see, most people don’t ignore that people mature at different rates.

    Everybody is aware that not all girls mature at the same rate, and that they vary in their attitude towards sex. Everybody. It is that precise reason why we don’t agree that a law, which is not allowed to take into account nuances, can possibly be just. The situations are too individual to fall into the neat black and white categories that law affords.

    And I don’t understand why you’d consider it preferable for a boy, who you say has less sexual control, to be sexual with a teen over a mature and better controlled thirty something. Is your point that a more mature man has more culpability, because he can control yourself?

    But don’t you also see that sometimes there is no culpability. The girls wants it and loves it. No harm, no foul. Either way, she’s better off with an older man. If it’s better for her, it should be less illegal, not more.

    But none of this is about logic, or arguments. People merely rationalize their feelings. I seriously doubt anyone will change their opinion about this. They FEEL it’s icky for an older guy to love a teen. Makes em say eewwww. But a teen loving a teen makes em say awwww.

    Fuck that noise. I love teens too. Yumm.

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  328. My point is exactly that, that the 17 year old boy may find it more difficult to control himself (I appreciate that some 17 year old boys have no difficulty in this regard, but most 30 year old men have some capacity for self-control, I accept not all, but it is very difficult to lay down rules in this area without generalising)

    Yes, I appreciate that there is often no culpability in the 15 year old girl-older man situation, I was 15 years old myself, and although my boyfriend at the time was more or less around the same age, I do remember what it was like. I really do have an internal debate as to whether 15, or 16 should be the age of consent.

    13, 14 is normally too young though imo (again, I appreciate that there are exceptions and that some 13/14 year old girls may actively initiate sexual contact).

    I think there have to be some rules in this area though, and I think fixing the age of consent at menarche is a bit too young.

    I appreciate that there will always be difficulties in telling the girl’s age, but this will potentially occur no matter what age she is post-menarche (I appreciate the likelihood is less if the age of consent is reduced) and even if menarche is taken as the relevant date there will still be difficulties in determining this.

    Subject to the above, the ickiness factor re. older guys & teens is a modern construct, in the past it was quite normal for 16 and 17 year olds to be married off to considerably older men. Whether or not this led to long-term happiness is another question, probably the answer is, sometimes it did, and sometimes it didn’t, for every Jane Eyre there was an Effie Briest.

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  329. Before you all accuse me of being a teenage slut & exposing young men to possible criminal prosecutions, might I add the following:-

    when I say I was 15 years old myself I do not mean I was having sex at 15, just that I remember what it was like to be 15 with all that that entails.

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  330. Xsplat,

    I just thought I’d think about it in personal terms. I couldn’t get the vitriol for a moment, and now I do.

    I have 3 nieces. One is 12. The other two are 8 and 7.

    My brother in law is a great guy. Upstanding, good job, his wife a very well-chosen wife, nice cookie-cutter life, and they’re making babies and doing a damned fine job of it.

    If some 20-year-old were to sexually “initiate” by 12- year old niece into sex, I might hunt him down and make his life a living hell. If she was 14, and btw at 12 she looks 12, not 18, then the guy would have to talk awfully fast to slip out of this one: if he made it into the hands of the law, the dude would be safer than if he were at large.

    However, my charming, beer-and-BBQ small-town happy-go-lucky 6’1″ ex-football team brother-in-law would most definitely kill him. He’d have to be physically restrained from doing so by every male member of my family. He owns three hunting rifles. They’d be loaded and ready for some varmint shooting before the gamester could get his passport packed.

    I don’t think this is an exaggeration.

    The State would have to come down on this 20-year-old like a mac truck or there’d be some seriously repercussive vigilante violence. And it would be deeply personal.

    If the girl had been tarting it up and had actually seduced the guy, then the guy would still absolutely get the living crap beaten out of him to within an inch of his life. But might not get killed. The daughter would then be going to an all-girls’ school somewhere far outside any towns.

    My brother in law may be a white-knighting, female-pedestalizing protecting Beta male, but you’d see some serious fucking alpha out of him.

    Any girl that doesn’t look 18 really shouldn’t be touched.

    That said, I do know a very impressive 34 year-old Mexican guy married to a 15 year-old. She’s 5’8″ tall and looks solidly 18. I believe the age of consent in his Mexican state is 14.

    Makes me wonder what they talk about, but that’s a different kind of marriage than anything I’m used to, I’m thinking.

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  331. on July 11, 2010 at 10:10 am gunslingergregi

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

    I guess not so big a deal. Most states age of consent 16 so really make sure you live in the right one if your a young guy. Under 16 who cares anyway.

    But yea what should be the concern of guys is what woman can do to you after you slip the ring on way more important.

    And apparently as long as you marry the girl that is an acceptable defense. So yea if you want to partake of young woman get parents permission and get married.

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  332. on July 11, 2010 at 10:32 am gunslingergregi

    http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/til_death_do_us_pay/

    ””””’Whoever asked this question needs to get some self respect and a job!!!!!

    WHY FLORIDA’S ALIMONY LAW, F.S. (§61.08), WHICH ALLOWS PERMANENT ALIMONY, IS UNJUST AND NEEDS TO BE CHANGED:

    · This law allows the Courts to force an ex-spouse to pay PERMANENT ALIMONY to the other ex-spouse forever, unless the receiver of alimony remarries or dies.
    · This law was written in 1828

    Read more: What’s the best way to get awarded lifetime alimony? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/126323#ixzz0tNsyy1Ck
    ””””””

    Woman getting over in florida since 1828. Fuck us woman and their bullshit.

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  333. on July 11, 2010 at 10:36 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””
    Move to Florida, after 6 months file for divorce & ask for alimony. Florida is a no-fault state and you will get alimony. Fault does not matter, you can leave for a new boyfriend. Don’t work, tell the Judge you can not work and that you need the money. Find a Doctor that will agree you can not work, trust me you will find a doctor that will help. Hire a lawyer that will collect the fee’s from your ex, the Judge only cares who is working. File a financial affidavit showing your expenses, don’t mention any money you may have or any money your boyfriend has. Tell the Judge that your ex makes good money and can afford your standard of living. You may also tell the Judge you live alone, don’t worry about perjury, no one has ever been charged in divorce court and everyone lies. You should be able to get lifetime alimony, after 10 years of marriage it is pretty much a guarantee in Florida. If child support is involved, there is a chart that Judges go by. No guild lines for alimony, only if there is a need. You can be childless, alimony is different. “You want a divorce and alimony, you can not work, ex works and has the ability to support you”. Make sure you tell the Judge your ex’s gross income, estimate in your favor. Your lawyer should be able to get you temporary alimony and fee’s until your final.
    Your Attorney will get the rest of his money and you should get permanent alimony thru payroll deduction at final. Your ex will comply or be held in contemp of court and face jail time, ex will still owe any back support. Proof is what is said in court and your lawyer should be able to guild you thru this. You will be amaze at how easy it is for permanent alimony and live with your boyfriend, just don’t get married. You can live as if you were married, just don’t get a marriage filed, unless his is rich (more then ex).

    Read more: What’s the best way to get awarded lifetime alimony? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/126323#ixzz0tNuCrr1c
    ”””””””’

    dam now that is just fucking amazing.

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  334. on July 11, 2010 at 10:43 am gunslingergregi

    Alimony Warning – Colorado is the WORST State – (CO) – City-Data Forum10 posts – 9 authors
    NONE would order lifetime alimony for a Master’s degreed, … NO OTHER STATE is this way. Some states only allow alimony for a short period of time until …
    http://www.city-data.com/…/1025301-alimony-warning-colorado-worst-state.html

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  335. on July 11, 2010 at 10:59 am gunslingergregi

    http://weddedabyss.wordpress.com/

    Just remember never ever get married and us bitches ain’t nothing but hos and tricks. Don’t get a weak streak ever. Better to just play video games all day and grab a ho when you want at least your life will be somewhat your own. Plus no matter how good the pussy is after 5 years the shit gets old and you don’t want to fuck it like you used to anyway.

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  336. on July 11, 2010 at 11:14 am gunslingergregi

    There also is no glory time for men within the last 100 to 200 years when they were men. The nostalgia is just wishfull thinking that at some point in time men did not get fucked over. Been getting fucked over since at least 1828 in florida coming up on 200 fucking years that woman have become the charge of men. Don’t believe the 50’s hype it has always been bullshit. The only men who had it better were men living in the countries that the people in the us make fun of. he he he
    wild shit.

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  337. on July 11, 2010 at 11:24 am gunslingergregi

    The only reason we are supposed to feel bad for woman in middle east is because they can’t take money from their men after divorce the poor things

    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDAwNWIwMDRjMWRmNTUyZTE1MDIwZTYyY2YxZWIyNGU=
    ”””’A senior State Department official said the draft prohibits discrimination based on gender, race, ethnicity, origin, color, religion, sect, opinion or economic and social status. But Iraq experts say that women are vulnerable because issues — such as divorce, custody and alimony — may be decided either in civil courts or according to Islamic law. `Just imagine if a Shiite couple are seeking a divorce,” Mack said. “She can get a divorce under the civil code and with difficulty get it under Shiite law, but no alimony or child custody [for children] above a certain age. . . . This is a recipe for real problems.'”””””””’

    So as you can see the iraqi men had it better than us men therefore we had to go and kill a bunch of them and slaughter woman children and men to insure that the men started to have to pay alimony just like the souldead men in us.

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  338. on July 11, 2010 at 11:28 am gunslingergregi

    The real reason we went into bosnia. To make them start paying alimony lol before we went in they didn’t have to now they do coincidense I think not.

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  339. on July 11, 2010 at 11:34 am gunslingergregi

    Islamic law does not include the concept of alimony.

    Afganistan doesn’t have alimony either.

    And we hate them right?

    lol more rights to there work and effort than american men with regards to woman after divorce.

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  340. on July 11, 2010 at 11:37 am gunslingergregi

    Iran as well
    ”””Hammed Shahidian – 2002 – 303 pages
    Unjust divorce settlements, inadequate alimony, and the failure of the law to provide mechanisms which would guarantee the payment of … Iran has a high rate of divorce — one in every four marriages ended in divorce in the 1970s. …
    ”””””’

    I am noticing a trend in the countries that the us says woman don’t have rights and the axis of evil. What right do woman in us have that woman in the countries we hate have in common?
    The us woman have the ability to taje resources from a man the woman didn’t work for and to make a slave of the man.

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  341. on July 11, 2010 at 11:39 am gunslingergregi

    Do the men in the countries we are supposed to hate have the right not to be slaves to a woman while the men in the us do not enjoy those same rights. The guys fighting in iraq a lot of them are under obligation to send money to a woman who they are divorced from and provides them nothing in return for the money. lol this is some interesting shit.

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  342. on July 11, 2010 at 11:50 am gunslingergregi

    So really it seems that any country labelled as oppressive and backward by us is actually free and we call outselves free and progressive and yet we are slaves.

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  343. on July 11, 2010 at 11:55 am Capt. Obvious

    @Gorbyfag

    “I personally confine myself to females that are 26+ only as a rule. It’s just safer. Also partly because 21-year-olds are harder to game for a guy older than 30, and also because older women are just more interesting as people. There *are* men who don’t write off women when they get older than 28.

    I personally don’t buy all the stories of PUAs messing around with the hot 18-21 year-olds every night of the week.”

    Is this a swipe at me, you asshole?

    Just because you like to date old hags doesn’t mean I should be relegated to dating old hags.

    I am 29 and I have no problems getting an 18 or 19 year old waitress to go out on a date.

    Maybe you should try…oh, wait…you like dating women who are over the hill.

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  344. My job requires that I wear a utility belt burdened with the weight of various weapons and restraints.

    I know I can come off as “intimidating” at first glance, but once I open a chica and the vibe is there I begin to run my normal albeit, modified day game.

    My real sticking point is that I can’t really ask for her number because some co-workers of years gone by have caught flak for the perception of “scaring” girls into phone number exchanges.

    So to counter and avoid such accusations my M.O. is I write my cell number on the back of my card and tell them to shoot me a text…can’t scare a girl who texts you first…

    The things I hate about this method are that it relies on the woman to re initiate …which is just asking for a flake storm, and I can’t use the feeler text the dark lord speaks of.

    I have a question for the lunchroom.

    Any thing(s) I should say or do after I give my number to reduce or at least get a good gauge of the responsiveness ? maybe a false time constraint like” this number expires in two days”

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  345. on July 11, 2010 at 12:42 pm Gunslngergregi

    This is no longer cooincidense.

    ”””””’The tragic paradox, Dr. Koonz said, was that the Nazi Party to which they turned was ”misogynistic” – according to its ideology, women were inferior, separate and subordinate. Divorce, for example, was made easier for men than for women; judges permitted men to pay less alimony than before. ”””””’

    So really fight club was wrong we do have a major war during are lifetime it has been fought world war II the one for mens rights lost Hitler. We just aren’t fighting another one we should be fighting. Although iraqi and afganistani people probably feel diferent. Again just another example of crushing another country into accepting out principle that woman deserve to be able to steal a mans money.

    We kill any country who doesn’t want to give alimony to woman and consider not giving woman alimony as horrible and cruel even though it actually makes them equal to men in rights. Just fucking wow.

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  346. on July 11, 2010 at 12:55 pm Gunslngergregi

    http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800013227/bio

    ””””’During WWII, Rooney went to war to entertain the troops, only serving 21 months. But while he did not suffer any physical harm while abroad, when he came home his career was damaged. Post-war America was less innocent than the one that had embraced Andy Hardy. Moreover, Rooney was now 26 years old and thus, a little too long in the tooth to continue playing teenagers. His professional life started a long, slow slide. While he was never at a loss for work, the quality of the material was inferior to his earlier films. To make matters worse his on-screen partnership with Judy Garland came to a close with the musical “Words and Music” (1948). Rooney gamely soldiered on, while his former co-star’s career eclipsed his. Not only because he loved to work but also because he had to. He fit in a few more failed marriages, including one to actress Martha Vickers, while trying to find good parts to pay his alimony. ””””””””””’

    There never was a good old time when american men were free.

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  347. on July 11, 2010 at 1:05 pm Gunslngergregi

    ””””http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119567186/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
    Japan,
    In 1898 The Meiji Civil Code also included judicial divorce granting woman the right to divorce for the first time. A wife generally recieved no property, support or seperation payment at divorce, however unless the husband had inflicted particualarly cruel physical harm. Furthermore, even if the husband was at fault the children remained with him.
    ”””””””’

    So we had to crush japan as well and force them to give woman more rights than men and force men to give woman money. Looking like the wars in the world that the us engages in are to ensure that men from other countries get to go through hell with woman as well.

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  348. Haha werewolf I really like that false constraint. Shows a good sense of humor and an “I am the prize” mindset. If you are feeling particularly confident even say “my phone gets really good reception on Friday nights before I go to the bar”, and just deliver it all with a caddish grin. Great line.

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  349. Gunslngergregi,
    Are you by any chance divorced?

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  350. Hank: Come on, how come I don’t know your name?

    Trixie: You haven’t asked.

    Hank: Well, let’s not stand on ceremony. [He hand motions for her to say her name.]

    Trixie: Trixie.

    Hank: Trixie! That is a terrific name… if you’re a hooker!

    I haven’t tried this one, but my gut feeling is that no girl would accept that as just a neg. That’s an insult, plain and simple.

    Much of what we understand as “American Humour” is just that: saying openly what everyone thinks in private but won’t say in public. More than game, the dialogue above sounds like humour. This feature of American humour makes it particularly unfunny, since it makes US humour highly predictable

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  351. on July 11, 2010 at 2:17 pm Gunslngergregi

    ”””’on July 11, 2010 at 1:17 pm Laura
    Gunslngergregi,
    Are you by any chance divorced?
    ”””””
    naa I avoided american style divorce system after watching my dad get locked out of his own house and told he couldn’t get any of his stuff. He had little money and his van with what he had when he left the house which he then had to start his life with.

    Yea I avoided american divorce system by marrying foreign woman and refused to marry amrican woman even though I had plenty of them before the divorce of my dad I was never interested anyway in marriage with them.

    I am finding it facinating that every country the us goes to war with did not have rules on paying alimony to their woman thereby making slaves of its men.

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  352. on July 11, 2010 at 2:21 pm Gunslngergregi

    Trying to drive home some point that america is not the land we thought it was. American men should not be marrying american woman. trying to be like the underground railroad for slaves back in the day and the us is trying to turn all men into slaves even by use of force on countries that refuse to do so.

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  353. on July 11, 2010 at 2:25 pm Gunslngergregi

    http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kaal-minnesota/TVG2OR4JJKV4BVCGT

    vietnam veteran

    ”””””””The day after Memorial Day, a disabled Clarks Grove veteran is thrown in jail. Joseph Dziubak was ordered to spend 30 days in freeborn county jail for not paying money he owes to his ex-wife. He refuses to pay, because he claims the judge wants him to use his va disability compensation, something, he says, violates a federal law. ”””””’

    ”””’It a crying shame that the same judge who ordered Joseph to contempt of court is the same judge who is himslef in contempt of federal law, Title 38: USC 5301. Maybe, the judge needs to be in jail himself? ”””

    I am not finding anything on vietnam having alimony to woman but I am thinking I won’t either. Seems like every country we have been to war with in the last 100 years did not have alimony.

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  354. on July 11, 2010 at 2:28 pm Gunslngergregi

    I think I am the first to propose this theory of why we go to war. Cool stuff. Us men are able to be enslaved therefore every man in the world must be under the same type of female thumb.

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  355. Lily

    She should say to both of them [the 16yo alpha and the 32yo one] ‘I decided I’m going to lose my virginity in a relationship where we both love each other and not before I’m 16′ 😉

    There is or should be a difference between how you’d raise your daughter and what you’d like to make illegal with serious life long (sex offender) consequences.

    I do think 18 or even 17 is ridiculous when the average age of first intercourse is 15 in the US and many 14yo’s and some 13yo’s are consensually having sex. 18 is just about the highest age of consent in the world, in a country that has highly sexualized teen culture and teens. Teen girls are encouraged to flaunt their sex power, and then even with older teen girls, 20 something guys go to prison if they game back her flirting, and then consensually act on what she hotly wants? As in the Californication episode?

    I supposed I’d probably pick 15 for a US age of consent. (It was only raised from 14 to 16 in Canada in 2004.) 16 doesn’t seem wholly unreasonable but no higher, and with some caveats, see below. But since a whole lot of 15 yo’s girls have had sex by that age, it does seem a bit unreasonable to set at 16 yes. (And absurd, a clear jail bait trap for men at 18.)

    That’s not to say I wouldn’t want to encourage my own daughter in quite the way you suggested Lily, as I quoted above. I would, strongly. Or maybe a year or so older, given teenage discounting etc.

    However a few things. A guy should be able to rely upon the age a girl tells him she is, so long as he’s not aware of evidence to the contrary, including it being wildly improbable given how she looks. I.e. it shouldn’t be strict criminal liability. If the girl lies and keeps lying about her age, when the guy’s coming on to her, she’s hardly the naive innocent. She’s strongly asking for it when the interaction turns sexual. In any event it’s unreasonable to ruin his life when he asked, and had no real reason to doubt her. [Bring your daughter up better Dad.]

    Also a man shouldn’t be put on a “sex offender” list orginally designed for pedophiles and non consensual rapists, when the girl is under the age of consent (set say at 16) but has been menstruating for some time and shows secondary sexual characteristics. (E.g. A cup breasts at least.) His attraction is natural if she’s looking sexually mature, though society may still want to deter his acting on it due to arguments about her emotional immaturity, in the usual case. So yeah a crime when she’s 14, but not one that will ruin his whole life by putting him on that list.

    And generally, there should be a good bit of judge discretion here, in the case of clearly post pubescent girls.

    Now don’t misunderstand, I’m too old to play with teen girls. Mid and later 20 somethings are quite young enough and hot younger 30s girls too. But 20 something guys can be another matter.

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  356. ”Bring your daughter up better Dad.”

    I’m doing the best I can and not too bad a job, I think. But she’s very strong willed and independent. And being a child she doesn’t always know what’s best for herself.

    “a man shouldn’t be put on a “sex offender” list orginally designed for pedophiles and non consensual rapists, when the girl is under the age of consent (set say at 16) ”

    A man should be careful. Or he may be put in a hole in the ground and gnawed on by worms.

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  357. >I personally don’t buy all the stories of PUAs messing around with the hot 18-21 year-olds every night of the week.

    Time for today’s story 😉 Hot, sexy and tillilating:

    Ok, as promised I was at a Spanish bar at the conclusion of the world cup, and everyone went nuts when Spain won!

    I took a Spanish woman home with me who was insistant she was a catholic and serious about it and that nothing was going to happen. The only way I could shut her up was to lock lips with her right when she was trying to talk and it worked – she just melted completely and started seriously giving it to me back! It was like she was starving for it or something – she was totally and utterly wild – she ended up even begging me. Seriously exciting!

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  358. on July 12, 2010 at 8:40 am namae nanka

    Dad

    I mean look at you, ready to kill a guy but doesn’t know what can happen? the girl might come crying and you would be raged, or you might be raged and the girl tells you “no daddy I love him” and then you either pull your balls up or shove her out of the way.
    Pulling up your balls is a harmless activity for you’ve been doing it for so long that it has become second nature. Shoving her out gets you a 911 call and Mr. Daddy gets a restraining order from his own daughter. Child abuser, daughter beater and of course a mother fucker.

    Tomorrow some feminazi might declare daddy’s anger at a man his own age fcking his own daughter as a patriarchal control stemming from his own lustful thoughts towards his own daughter.

    The other man is clearly alpha, earns much more than dad does, and can take care of the girl in much better way.(of course assuming teh wimminz are altruistic enough to not care for their own pussies).
    Then why does this old curmudgeon insists on controlling who his daughter sleeps with? Why of course his sexual lust, the same as in all men. So what if he puts on a veneer of morality? He only thinks with his dick, the old soot.

    You know I can see the future, feminist Studies, the most quoted paper of the decade.

    Abstract- “The male attempts to keep alive patriarchal controls in the society by forcing the woman to stay with him and limiting her to his own options about who she fornicates with.”

    The paper then gets the laws to put him in jail or simply cut his balls off. How dare he have the audacity to tell his girl what to do?

    DUde that’s what happens in the matriarchy. Knock a chick up and you don’t know what baby is whose coz hundreds of other cockas have been there too.

    Then forget about having kids of yer own, just roam around and let the chickas have fun with whatever guy catches their fancy.
    There they celebrate the birth giving goddesses as the ones creating life. Dancing naked into the night when a woman pops out one.

    And the ludicrous current zeitgeist tells me that these people, who haven’t changed since the dawn of civilisations, are the better way of living life than this stifling patriarchal oppression.

    And then you come across these idiots telling me that women are better because they create life. I don’t even know what retardation produced them.

    Yeah right, your mom created your life when she was taking in the cock of a man, wanna see another miracle? Wanna see me create another life inside your momma’s womb?

    You know dude, way back in high school I had a debate competition discussing the justness of the so called beauty competitions. And there was this uber fcking bitch who claimed that those contests degrade morality and will degrade morality to the point when sons will start fcking their own mothers. And if that wasn’t shocking enough, the women in the audience were not sure if she was right or wrong!
    For a moment I was not sure myself if I was gonna fuck up my mother.(not to say I didn’t do it, but figuratively, not animal enough to do it physically)

    Women don’t have a moral core dude, you can civilise them with some scriptures and a stick but you cannot make them moral. Do you really think all these old dudes were saying so too, because they were sexist shmucks who hadn’t taken Women’s Studies 101?

    “Daddy did so much for me but now I love this guy and so what if he is obese, balding, or can’t see for shit in one eye, I luuv him, but why doesn’t my father see that, why does he stops me from being happy? Why? Why?”
    Really, daddy can go fck himself for all she cares or she can slit her wrists for all I care.

    And then you have people who call your civilisation as more civilised than those of Islam. He might get to kill his own daughter, otoh you rage to kill another man and even then you ain’t have the surety. lmao, it’s pathetic beyond belief.
    You say omg look at them, stoning their women to death, ain’t I better than them. Yeah, any man who gives away his balls on a platter is a better human being. Omg look at them, they cover up their women from head to toe, and look at us we can frolick with our own bikni-wearing daughters without sporting a wood. Ain’t that some profound shit!

    You know I have grown up with muslim kids and I have tremendous respect for the amount of self-discipline the religion fosters in its followers. However the same discipline turns counter-productive in some cases and that’s where I find it pointless. Christianity has been the most balanced by being refined and practical of the lot but then USA finds it better to be a “secular” cunt!
    All the while looking out for the whole world and some oil, like Mr. Christ paying for the sins of his brethren and also getting himself written of in a bestseller with a heart-gripping climax and a surprise twist at the end.

    And how the fuck do you expect daughters to learn something about emotional maturity for 4 years from 14-18? When she’s got pumped and dumped by some 16 year old douchebags and got on the pill or learnt to roll over condoms on penises? Or from gossip girl or some faggoty ass TV shows telling her “You know I learnt something today, relationships are complicated” while everyone on the show fucks everyone in every hole? (and no I don’t mean southpark)

    Is she suddenly gonna be in control of her hormonal cycle deciding when to lower her eggs or is some alien power gonna zap her brains and make her an all-discerning goddess when she turns 18? How about letting some 30 year old lesbian teach her how beautiful her vagina looks; for that will get her the sexual maturity and not indulge your male protective urges. She might turn lesbo though, but hey, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    Oh my daughter crossed 16 today, now she can be fucked by anyone, oh my daughter crossed 18 today, she is an adult now, she can vote, she can help change the future of the country by voting for correct government policies, and blah blah blah… Let’s throw a partaay!!!
    Hey who knows maybe your girl will be throwing “woohoo, I lost my virginity” party in the near future, why not you go ahead and start this soon to be time-honored tradition yourself. And of course don’t forget the “Finally I lost my anal virginity” too. The anals of history are waiting for such thought provoking traditions.

    No dude you’re not a free man roaming around in the world thinking for yourself, you’re not even in some highly civilized society that knows what the fuck it’s doing, you’re just a beast of burden allowed outside of the cage when conditions permit. Rage when you have been told to, curl up your balls and bend over when you are told to.
    The funny thing is you don’t even know it is happening yourself. Like the pavlov dog salivating at the sound of a bell, you wax and you wane and since you got some more brain cells you try to justify the behavior by some petty rationalizations and oh fuck it.

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  359. on July 12, 2010 at 8:43 am namae nanka

    The age of consent should be the age at which the girl married.
    /end

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  360. on July 12, 2010 at 9:00 am namae nanka

    gunslingergregi

    thanks for the history lessons.

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  361. on July 12, 2010 at 9:03 am Gunslingergregi

    Dam namae interesting rant

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  362. This blog would have been much more relevant if it cut to the chase of statutory rape laws. What “Hank Moody” is, doesn’t matter ’cause he’s a fictional character…you might as well write an essay about Archie Bunker.

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  363. on July 12, 2010 at 9:05 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea I was pretty fucking surprized myself.

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  364. on July 12, 2010 at 8:46 pm adamadamson

    In related (statutory rape) news, Polanski’s a free man again.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100712/ap_on_en_mo/roman_polanski

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  365. @Polymath

    You are right about grey hair being OK for women 22+ but needing to color it for women 18-21.

    The problem is: didn’t hair color give Jackie Onassis Kennedy lymphoma?

    I look just fine for the 22+ crowd with a grey buzz cut.

    I’d rather not die because I constantly needed 18-21 women to notice me…but, until they invent a safe hair color, this may turn out to be what kills me.

    @Adam

    Technically, the US DOJ and Obama had no constitutional right to say “The USA believes” that rape or underage sex is bad. This was supposed to be a matter between the State of California and Switzerland, with the US feds facilitating only.

    But Obama wanted to get some political points (as would George Bush if he were in office).

    In Europe, no president is saying what Obama just said because it would *not* help him politically with men to complain too loudly that a man got acquitted of rape in a he-said, she-said situation.

    European males may know Polanski deserved jail time for drugging a 13 year old, but they are right in standing up to the obsession American White Knighters have about making men “sex offenders’ for peeing in the woods and in raising the age of consent in many states and adding strick liability, etc.

    It seems the big “Fuck You” that Swiss, Polish and French men just said was more about the excesses of American White Knighter’s obsession with punishing men for desiring younger females, than about Polanski’s specific case.

    @Dad, however, was reasonable in stating that 16 should remain the Age of Consent (AOC) in Anglo Saxon countries, as it is here in the former Warsaw Pact. Nobody has a problem with fathers being potentially violent if someone messes with their 15 year old daughter or younger daughter (provided that she is not taller than 5’8″ and heavier than 140 pounds and says that she is 18).

    Only 3 countries have an AOC of 18: Saudi Arabia, Iran and the newly Islamic Turkey.

    There are no countries with 17 as the AOC (Northern Ireland dropped from 17 to 16 last year to be in line with the rest of the UK where lesbians and gays are pushing to lower things to 14).

    So it is outrageous and anti-male and completely out of line with the rest of the world that the Feminist Christian Alliance in the USA has been spreading lies and politicizing the idea that the AOC has to be raised to 17 and 18 in many US states and that men are responsible for checking IDs at all times (absolute liability says that even a valid ID where the issuer was lied to is not an excuse for a man to avoid felony charges).

    @Cpt Obvious

    I see Sarah Palin as being part of the Feminist Christian Alliance to regulate and persecute men and that is why I campaigned hard against her in 2008.

    Still, I would like to see you criticize the Democrats almost as much. They are not your friends.

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  366. Did someone hack the @Roissy Twitter account? All his tweets are erased and replaced by something written yesterday saying “I could but I won’t”.

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  367. @Cpt Obvious

    In determining which US political party is worse for males, it might be best to look at their sycophants on the Supreme Court and how they think.

    You may quickly decide to be in the middle because neither side is our friend.

    Let’s start with Griswold v Connecticut exactly 45 years ago.

    There, the Republican justices carried out the traditional hatred of any idea that people have a right to privacy anywhere and especially in the bedroom.

    Asshole Republican Justice Potter Stewart wrote for the minority in Griswold, regarding whether a man and his wife could use condoms while having sex (this was the summer of 1965), “With all deference, I can find no such general right of privacy in the Bill of Rights, in any other part of the Constitution, or in any case ever before decided by this Court.”

    Asshole Republicans keep saying “that’s not in the Constitution” when they want to regulate people and the people say “but I have rights”.

    They will say “The right to Porn is not in the Constitution”. The fuckers who call themselves “strict constitutionailsts” won’t see “right to free speech and a free press” when they don’t want to see it. No, they will play like babies and say that the Constitution would have said “right to free speech and free press including porn to include BDSM if thats what the founding fathers had intended”.

    But Asshole Democrats say “Fuck the Constitution” when you point out that a new law they made, like VAWA, makes men second class citizens in direct violation of everything written in the Constitution.

    Griswold led directly to Roe v Wade, but suddenly it wasn’t the right of a man and woman to have sex the way they want to but the right of women to decide for men (and babies) what was going to happen. Roe v Wade led the way for men to become second class citizens (it led directly to VAWA).

    With VAWA in 1995, it was no longer about privacy for the liberals but about extending gender superiority over males.

    Parts of VAWA have since been overturned by the Supreme Court several times, not by direct assault by heterosexual males, but by women and gays mentioning it in their various lawsuits.

    A woman who was raped in Pennsylvania tried to get her case reheard in federal court and the conservative justices of the Supremes said “No fucking way is this guy getting tried twice in two different courts and it has NEVER been the business of the federal govt to concern itself with rape and domestic violence. Those are states issues”.

    If it were up to the liberal justices, the FBI would have to be called for all rape and domestic violence incidents. It would be a federal crime to look at a woman sideways.

    A woman in Colorado whose husband stalked her and killed the kids tried to get the federal government to punish the State of Colorado for not protecting her and the kids well enough. Only the conservative justices said “Fuck you lady. It is not the federal government’s job to punish states on a matter that only the states have a right to deal with. Stalking inside one state never was and should never be a federal crime. The liberal justices think otherwise.

    A gay man challenged VAWA and the 9th Circuit agreed that gay men should not be made second class citizens compared to women. Did that decision say anything about heterosexual male rights? I doubt it.

    Elena Kagan has made it clear she will uphold VAWA and almost anything else Democrats in Congress vote for.

    But back to privacy…the Republican justices voted against the right to privacy in the bedroom in Lawrence vs Texas. Don’t think of this as the gay sex ruling. It was also really about whether we heteros could have threesomes or pay for sex without certain states having laws that could put us in jail.

    The Republican dissent in Lawrence v Texas could foresee some people reading this to go to jail some day and have their life ruined for sleeping with a 17 year old.

    Also, the Republican justices voted unsuccessfully to uphold the Communications Decency Act (passed by a GOP controlled Congress under Clinton) which said a webmaster was responsible for what people said in the comments of blogs.

    The Republicans would make Roissy responsible for what I just said.

    That is fucking insane.

    And the Republicans have done dick all to stop IMBRA -written by Democrats – which forces US males to be background checked before being allowed to say hello to foreign women on internationally oriented dating websites.

    That said…the Tea Party movement now is supposed to be more privacy and freedom oriented. Except it is controlled by Sarah Palin whom I don’t trust at all.

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  368. @ Roissy:

    After watching the first season I think Hank behaves the way he does because ultimately he believes women are children. He treats them all the same way he treats his little daughter, and I think that because of this he absolves them of all their crimes, because they are children and don’t know what they do.

    If were to look through his eyes I would see women that are easy to sway one way or another, and even Karen forgives him for all the shit he pulls, which in the first season is a lot. From his point of view, women, the poor little things, don’t know better, and he is the mean adult that is having his way with them.

    When you begin to understand social dynamics and female psychology is hard to have such a naive point of view, but Hank behaves the way any adult (I hope) would behave if someone is mistreating a child, by lashing out against the offender and protecting the kid. That I believe is where his white knighting comes from.

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  369. @ Roissy

    I take it back, just watched the Chloe episode. Hank Moody is a chump.

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  370. on July 20, 2010 at 3:17 am Athlone McGinnis

    I started watching this show about two weeks ago. I just got to the Chloe Mitts episode that Jesus mentioned. This show is like catnip for feminists-once again, upon further analysis, Roissy is right.

    Here are the most notable episodes of chumptitude so far as I have seen them:

    Season 1 with Mia: This girl is a sociopathic witch. In one episode she went over to her teacher’s place and took too many drugs, passing out. Hank and Karen get there and start cussing the guy out-he says that she carried the pills with her and overdosed. They act like they don’t believe him.

    Why the fuck wouldn’t Hank believe him? He knows what this girl is capable of, carrying a shitload of pills and ODing on them is small change for her. At the end of the exchange, when she pukes, Hank stuffs the guys face in the vomit, as though he were punishing him for “taking advantage” of the succubus.

    It’d all make sense if he didn’t a) already fuck her and b) know that she was batshit insane and manipulative to the point of severely damaging his career(stealing his book). Instead, he acts like she’s some sort of innocent angel. She has a clear history of seducing older men, getting them in trouble and enjoying it. How can he miss this when HE HIMSELF is a victim?

    At the end of season 1 with Mia again: Mia nearly outs Hank at her father’s wedding by admitting that Hank screwed her. She recants. Later, as she shares a dance with the man who she’s blackmailing, he later says “I guess we’re even”.

    WTF? How are you even? She knowingly seduced you in a bookstore, clearly aware of the fact that you had no idea how old she was(like anyone could tell) and that you were at a low point and would fuck anything. Then, like the sociopath she is, she holds it over your head and blackmails you from thereon in, laughing and actually ENJOYING the process of ruining any attempt to revive your career and screwing up your family dynamic in the process(Becca talked about how the loss of the book screwed things up).

    That’s not anywhere close to even in my book. She’s clearly been screwing you over, and in this instance she simply decided to screw you a little more slowly. What universe does this guy live in? He acts like she’s somehow doing him a favor!

    In season 2, when she gets a ride home with Hank’s rockstar friend and his girl, he tells her friend to be easy on her, since she’s a “delicate flower”.
    Yeah, sure hank, she’s delicate. Its not like she’s blackmailing you or anything.

    The Hooker Trixie early in Season 2. She gets disrespected by one of her rockstar clients. Hank takes it upon himself to risk bodily harm to defend the whore that got him beat up in season one when he couldn’t pay her after he’d screwed her without knowing yet that she was a prostitute. He insists that she be respected, and fights the rocker, putting his health at risk for a woman who seems to have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to earn such devotion(except, well…be a woman).

    And then, finally, Chloe. Holy crap, Chloe frikkin Mitts, season 2 episode 5. WTF? She gets called over by Hank’s friend and actually shows up like some sort of call girl just to screw hank. Later after Hank has screwed the daylights out of her they go to drop her off at her house, only to find her beta husband (carrying their NEWBORN CHILD) running out to meet them. She immediately tells them to just keep driving away as the poor schlub chases behind. While they’re driving, she tried to get them to start a threesome in the car and party further into the night.
    She gets thrown out and left at the side of the road like she deserves for being so loud, abrasive and quite clearly insane, and what does Hank the chump say? “I’m a gentleman, we don’t treat ladies that way.”
    He insists on them going back so he can wait with the whore who just got done cheating on her husband despite having a newborn child.

    The woman has ZERO MORALS. She shows zero effort to honor the relationship she started(the same type of commitment that Hank himself has been chastised for not taking seriously enough with Karen). She gallivants around town randomly screwing guys and offers to do so ALL NIGHT LONG while her newborn kid is at home. Yet Hank doesn’t even say “maybe you should reconsider how you treat your young family” or “your son needs a mother. Our sex was great and all, but maybe you should tone down the “fun” a bit and go be with your newborn son. Family is important”.

    Having a child of his own and seeing how his own crazy behavior has messed things up, you’d think he would say something like that. But he doesn’t. He just says “what has this city done to you? Is this what it means to be a girl here?” She responds “fuck if I know” and notes how happy she is that the newborn child she’s blowing off to whore around all night is a boy and not a girl. He says “good enough answer” and goes on about how “awesome” she is and how “tight” she was.
    I just threw my hands up at this point. Seriously, WTF?

    He defends and stands by her despite the fact that her behavior has earned her, if anything, PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE type of treatment.

    Its mind boggling, but (now that I think about it) typical. The women can’t do any wrong at all.

    [editor: good synopsis. yeah, the show is a feminist’s alpha male cock carousel-white knight chump wet dream where women can get away with murder and still be put on princess pedestals. it’s fucking sickening and ruins enjoyment of the entertaining aspects of the show otherwise.]

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  371. […] also wrote on statutory rape recently: Which brings me to a larger issue. What the fuck is up with statutory rape? It’s a joke law made […]

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  372. […] over whether Game is about pedestalization, liberation, or something else entirely, I thought today’s post by Citizen Renegade (formerly known as Roissy) might be edifying to […]

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  373. Just finished watching all three seasons.

    Hank’s pining for Karen was nauseating at times – I wanted to see him just turn away and move on, let her feel his aloofness, stop feeding her ego so gratuitously. She’d probably cream her panties for him. He was like a little puppy whining for her love and attention.

    Runkle’s extreme betatude was also puke-inducing, although a little more tolerable because he was beta to the bone, unlike Moody.
    He had no self-respect, he let his little loud-mouthed wife emasculate him.

    Overall, the pedestalisation and forgiveness of honourless whores is, as mentioned, truly sickening.
    Skanks and cuntiness must be shunned, not forgiven, and certainly not rewarded. The more alpha a man is the less he tolerates catty conniving bullshit from women and the less respect he has for sluts. The more beta a guy is, the more he sees slut-shaming and slut-denigrating as “insecurity”, and the more he forgives women for fucking him over.
    Much of this show was hugely entertaining, but it came up short in the end. Pity.

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  374. I think the PUA comunity is brainwashing and retarded…

    The tactics work but feel unatural… i have natural game… it comes from not giving a fuck, having good morrals, strict rules, laughing and being sexual

    Women should be protected.. thats what men do… we evolved to take care of shit

    Most people say you cant get girls like that etc.. but u can get a girl in many ways.. the key is persistance if you really like the girl.. persistance is different from being needy… you have to frame it right… it shows here you will do anything to get wat u want

    at the end of the day most PUA lovers a little boys trying to act big.. your trying to learn mating from a text book but just grow up a become a man…

    face up to life and let nothing stop u

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  375. I think Hank Moody is a role model. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t approve most of his doings. He has an erratic behaviour and one can expect anything from him.

    Still it’s the few things where he hits the nail that I like about him. He’s the perfect example of a man.

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  376. absolutely agree with the author of this post….there are too many tv shows which potrays women as the righteous beings…….and men as the immature idiots…no wonder there is soo much betaness flowing through our culture….about time somebody had the balls to say this….cheers to you mate

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