Why You Should Leave After Sex

Because it will signal your high male mate status:

Chapter 5, “Green-Eyed Desire: From Guarding a Mate to Trading Up,” deals with other economic constraints relating to the human mating market. Women appear to use sex to help guard male mates by keeping them satisfied, reminding men what they stand to lose should they defect—or as many women in the study put it, “keep[ing] his mind off other women.” Women also seem to be motivated to sometimes have sex with other men as a way of gaining information about their mate value or to obtain a better partner—i.e., to “trade-up” in the mating market. Attracting a high-quality mate can allow a woman to enhance and evaluate her mate value, and many women cited this as a reason to have sex. The authors refer to research showing that women do this more often around ovulation.

So what does this have to do with leaving a woman’s company soon after sex? Much can be inferred from the study results in the quote above. For instance, if women use sex to keep a mate satisfied and his mind off chasing other women, then a hasty post-coitus skedaddle undermines her mate guarding efforts; she will be compelled to try even harder in the sack next time. And as I’ve noted before, a solid, healthy relationship rests on a foundation of the woman chasing the man. The day your woman succeeds at guarding you is the day you begin the slide into betahood, infrequent sex, cuckoldry, and eventual breakup.

More importantly, since women sometimes use sex with new men to enhance and evaluate their own mate value, a calculated quick departure after sex will disrupt her self-evaluative process, leading her to conclude that she isn’t as hot as she thought (which is exactly what you want her to think). While landing a charming SOB like yourself for sex will boost a girl’s ego, persuading you to linger afterward to cuddle will send her ego straight into the stratosphere. Since American women’s egos are already in the stratosphere, theirs will get propelled into distant galaxies. It’s critical that you keep a woman’s ego in check if you want to enjoy years of blissful love and sexual release.

This study, and its implications, confirms my everyday experiences. I have noticed that when I leave a chick right after sex — either directly by walking out or indirectly by nudging her out — she will text or call like a woman in love the very next day, or even later that night. The post-coitus premature exit (PCPE) is especially powerful when executed at two in the morning.

If you are at her place, many times a girl will invite you to stay for the night. She’ll couch it in plausibly deniable terms, such as “You’re welcome to stay if it’s too late for you to grab a taxi now.” If you need an excuse to drop a PCPE, just tell her you have to get up early for a business trip. If you and her are at your place instead, assume the PCPE by announcing soon after sex that you’ll be happy to walk her to her car or her home, and that she must be looking forward to sleeping in her own bed.

Whatever you do, avoid the post-coitus cuddle with a new girl who is above the average quality of girls you normally get. If you’ve had the good fortune, or expertise, to bag yourself the female equivalent of a 12 point buck, you don’t want to ruin your established high mate value and budding relationship momentum by snuggling and squeezing her tight as if she were your childhood security blanket. Post-sex cuddling is like a chemical reaction which drains your testosterone by the minute. Intimate cuddling will convince a girl to give herself high marks on her self-evaluation, and once she’s done this the odds she will see you as a worthy mate for the long haul — sexual or otherwise – drop precipitously. It’s all done on the subconscious level of course, but that’s the level that is most dangerous, since it operates by flying under the radar of our conscious perimeter defenses.

Looking at all my flings, one night stands, and relationships, the ones where I rolled over after sex and gave the girl my back, or where I got out of bed and put on my clothes to go home, were the ones I was in complete command of the direction of the romance. I never had to initiate texts or phone calls, or come up with date ideas, with those girls; they did all the legwork.





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  1. on July 16, 2010 at 11:35 am Large Hadron Collider

    “It’s all done on the subconscious level of course, but that’s the level that is most dangerous, since it operates by flying under the radar of our conscious perimeter defenses.”

    since seeing Inception – I better understand how this works now

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  2. There is no greater moment of happiness, pride, and solace than a quiet ride home at 4am after smashing a hot chick and bouncing.

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  3. If you live with the girl, would simply leaving the room fill approximately the same function? Just say you remembered something you were going to do and leave the room for a few minutes at least.

    Also, how often do you need to do this to get the right effect? Half of the time, all the time, once a week…?

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  4. What’s the definition of eternity?……….the time between when you cum, and she leaves.

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  5. on July 16, 2010 at 11:46 am Medium Hadron Collider

    Large Hadron Collider

    “since seeing Inception – I better understand how this works now”

    yes – it is all done in sublevels beneath the level above

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  6. this is mean 🙂

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  7. But what about a chick who, sensing she has not gotten the self-evaluation she wants after your hasty departure, is spurred by that to seek solace elsewhere in a momentary refilling of her hole-ridde validation bucket rather than presist with this one? Is that a sure sign of her lack of decent potential and a good self-selection? Or do you reckon chicks get fixated on getting that validation from the person who gives then quickly denies rather than finding a hasty substitute?

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  8. +1 for the added effect of leaving at 2am

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  9. Pupu, The Truth says , life is mean

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  10. “It’s all done on the subconscious level of course, but that’s the level that is most dangerous, since it operates by flying under the radar of our conscious perimeter defenses.”

    That is the key to all of Roissy’s arguments that half-readers like McArdle don’t get. People aren’t consciously planning this stuff – the “reasoning” brain only comes in later to make excuses (and this is probably the dynamic that forms alot of our beliefs, political, religious, or otherwise, so we shouldn’t get too full of ourselves and our “reason” on any of these counts).

    Women don’t seek status through bagging a high-quality mate by saying in their frontal lobe “I really want the things a rich man can give me”. It happens at the same level as my stiffy seeing a hot chick – the hindbrain tells them it is hot – it isn’t conscious. I can’t tell you “why” I find a .7 hip/waist ration hot, I just do – my penis tells me so. The same is true with chicks. They get a “feeling” just like we do.

    This is what McArdle and her ilk don’t get – there are no value judgements here, no indication that men’s mate selection criteria are “better” or “right” while women’s are wrong. But Roissy does try to “demoralize” the current status quo, whereby women call men’s selection mechanisms “shallow” but women’s selection mechanisms are either denied or ennobled. This appears to feminists to be misogynist value judgement simply because they are used to special dispensation, just like conservative Christians think of themselves as victims if you criticize their baseless beliefs – not because they are being treated worse than other beliefs, but because they are used to special kid gloves treatment.

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  11. on July 16, 2010 at 11:55 am Vincent Ignatius

    Hmm. Good advice.

    Sort of goes against my last post about only rewarding a girl with cuddling after she makes you cum. Though I would argue that advice still applies to most chicks, just not the “12 point buck” you’re writing about.

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  12. on July 16, 2010 at 11:55 am Small Hadron Collider

    “yes – it is all done in sublevels beneath the level above”

    I’d have to completely agree looking back over all of the previous frames that leaving early, or having her go early works pretty much every time

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  13. Please bring back:
    Beta of the month
    Alpha assessment
    Reader mailbag
    Picture assessment

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  14. on July 16, 2010 at 11:56 am Vincent Ignatius

    If you live with the girl…

    You’ve already failed.

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  15. what if you like getting your dick wet in the morning?

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  16. Just roll over to the other side and snore loudly, same effect.

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  17. also, this seems to go against what you’ve said in the past about trying to get her to your turf. how do you get the same effect when the sex happens at your place? kicking a girl out after sex seems like a nuclear option. can you get the same effect by getting out of bed and doing something else for fifteen minutes and refusing to cuddle when you get back in?

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  18. lately, your most relevant advice to me comes just days after I could have used it the most. not a knock on you, just that I have a lot to learn and will file it under the “next time i’ll do X” file. good shit.

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  19. on July 16, 2010 at 12:06 pm tigger tiger running wild

    1:00 mark in both

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  20. So much of game is treating the less attractive girls like normal guys treat hot girls (so as to not overqualify) and treating the hot girls like normal guys treat less attractive girls.

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  21. “Whatever you do, avoid the post-coitus cuddle . . .”

    Or falling asleep?

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  22. What has worked well for me has been getting up to ‘rinse off’ almost immediately after a shag. Practical in creating an absence and a sense of longing from her, but also a bit of a jab implying that I do not allow her to mark me with her scent.

    She can stick around thereafter, but i’m typically off in the kitchen making a snack.

    Also, agreed – roll over and snore works well too.

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  23. I don’t know about this advice. I think this may be another example of the editor putting principle above practice. I understand how this advice is internally consistent with his general theories, but as with most theories, dogmatic adherence to principle leads to absurd results in the extreme.

    I think it may be okay to bail yourself, giving a completely plausible reason for why you need to go home. But if you’ve really got the 12-point buck, and you kick her out of your apartment, you’ve just showed your hand. Unless you have a completely plausible reason for showing her the door that doesn’t compromise your genuinity, the 12-point buck is going to identify you as a player, or worse, an insecure dude who is trying to be a player. 12-point bucks may like game, but they have enough options (and knowledge of their options), that they do not look for players. There is a difference between game and being a player.

    For the editor, he probably likes one night stands or two and outs. But if you’re really trying to bag the 12-pointer, kicking her out of your place after gaming her into it is dangerous advice.

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  24. on July 16, 2010 at 12:18 pm The Specimen

    @ Carmo – True dat.

    Good advice, in the past I always felt like a prick leaving or kicking chicks out after sex and would try to assuage my feelings of guilt by trying to wait at least 15-20 minutes before asking, “Soooo, what are you getting into?”, watching the clock the entire time. No longer. What is it about busting a nut that makes one see all of a woman’s minor flaws?

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  25. Hehe, Biki’s been pumped & dumped!

    In my STRs, I’d light one up,as I used to smoke. Usually let her cuddle up to me while I looked pensively into the distance.

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  26. Thanks, i’ve been getting that wrong.

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  27. I failed this test badly in a recent LTR. The first time we slept together I got up to leave and she said “No, my men always spend the night.” To my lasting regret, I failed that test. Indeed, that entire relationship was one failed shit test after another and after eight months of living together I moved out. But I discovered this blog about that time and was able to game her for another six months. I could not believe that applying these seeming counter-intuitive principles gained me plenty of attention and affection, many gifts, and MUCH better sex – far better than when we were actually living together.

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  28. All of these pre-meditated “techniques” that attempt to establish DHV only work on girls with low self-esteem, i.e. girls with “daddy issues.”

    You make her feel low and unworthy, like her father did. Therefore, in a subconscious attempt to re-capture that early relationship with her father and improve it this time around, she wants desires even more. You’re acting like her father did and she only wants him to pay attention to her, to love her.

    These tactics don’t work on quality girls who are seeking a human being for an actual loving relationship based on mutual respect, as opposed to a manipulative, empty shell.

    Obviously, most of you gents on this site predominantly game the low self-esteem bar sluts. The kind of woman who is simply cheap — low quality. The kind of woman who is after a man to pay her attention, to be her provider, to validate her life with meaning. The kind of woman who is below average intelligence, who reads Cosmo, gets her nails done in cheap salons, and has ratty hair extensions. The kind of woman who doesn’t have a mind of her own or her own interests, hobbies, or accomplishments.

    You don’t have what it takes to seduce and keep a quality girl, the kind most men would consider marriage material. That kind of girl doesn’t have “daddy issues” and won’t respond to “push-pull” and ignoring tactics that serve to reinforce low self-esteem. She values herself too highly to waste her precious time with low-rent, bar-trolling losers.

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  29. on July 16, 2010 at 12:33 pm Quantum Hadron Collider

    After sex, a man’s location *must* be changed so his momentum has more precision.

    To put this scientifically, once a man leaves, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle does all the rest.

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  30. @ southern man,

    “My men always spend the night.” That would be game over for me. She starts talking about her casual sex rules and I’d be immediately moving on to younger, hotter, tighter. This is one case where I would definitely leave after sex, and probably never come back.

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  31. on July 16, 2010 at 12:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    If you are fucking a super hot chick with the magic pussy there should be no time to cuddle after you have sex until it is time to go to work the next day. Every other woman it doesn’t matter if you get an ltr.

    But yea in ltr I tend to cuddle a lot I mean a lot. Hours and fucking hours. Like when I am reading a blog he he he

    But I am also doing other shit. Like reading blog playing game, tv is on chilling.

    I also have this wierd fucking habbit of twirling hair now if the woman wasn’t there and my hair was longer I would do my own but when woman there I twirl their hair with hand for like hours no problem. I think this actually helps with the addiction to me in some way as well. Plus the woman never seem to mind cuddled up on my chest. Until of course I twirl until the hair breaks but they still come back for more lol

    But then my woman since I started doing it will make up for my overtouching by feeding me and cooking my shit or waking up in middle of night asking me for a kiss.

    So then every bite she is working and focused on me and touching me.

    Then in the shower washing me and I don’t wash her.

    I’d say from beginning just make sure if your an over cuddly dude just make sure the woman is doing some ritualistic everyday touching cuddling of you.

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  32. The day your woman succeeds at guarding you is the day you begin the slide into betahood, infrequent sex, cuckoldry, and eventual breakup.

    You reference this so often someone who didn’t know better might suspect you were looking to justify your own life’s choices. I of course know better. But others might misunderstand.

    From the stats I’ve seen only around 2% of fathers who were confident in their paternity were mistaken (vs 30% cuckoldry for those who were suspicious). Still not good numbers given how awful this would be, but it is always good to understand the actual risk vs making shit up.

    I wouldn’t suggest a successful alpha get married. But for a typical beta so long as they choose wisely I think it is at least something they should consider.

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  33. http://www.reddit.com/r/Equality/comments/cp35h/feminism_of_the_future_relies_on_men_nytimescom/c0u6hw8

    Offtopic, but an excellent summary demonstrating how feminism destroyed the Roman Empire and probably Babylonia. Next up, USA and EU?

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  34. Sidewinder,

    I knew her sexual history; she hadn’t dated in several years (I’m certainly among the elder readers of this blog; she isn’t much younger). So I knew I’d been the first to bed her in a good long while and had no worries that this was a reference to casual sex. However, spending nights DID lead to me moving in some months later, which I shouldn’t have done.

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  35. on July 16, 2010 at 12:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’For the editor, he probably likes one night stands or two and outs. But if you’re really trying to bag the 12-pointer, kicking her out of your place after gaming her into it is dangerous advice.”””

    But if you think about it if she doesn’t inspire you to fuck all night she is not a 12 point buck for you but maybe pretty enough for people to think you got a 12 point buck.

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  36. So waking up and screwing multiple during the course of the night/morning is out?

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  37. So waking up and screwing multiple times during the course of the night/morning is out?

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  38. In my STRs, I’d light one up,as I used to smoke. Usually let her cuddle up to me while I looked pensively into the distance.

    well played. kinda like Brando in last tango in Paris.

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  39. @ Gunslinger,

    I agree with you completely. The few times I’ve bagged that 12-point buck, it was due to establishing a pretty solid connection with the girl, and I was up all night talking, making out, and banging on her. The adrenline is so high after that kind of conquest that its tough for me to sleep at all.

    I also agree with Mr. Marquee:

    Driving home after a conquest in the middle of the night with the stereo loud is some pretty tight shit.

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  40. @bictopia actually that has the opposite effect

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  41. Yohami,
    What is the opposite effect for you?

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  42. Helix:

    “These tactics don’t work on quality girls who are seeking a human being for an actual loving relationship based on mutual respect, as opposed to a manipulative, empty shell.”

    Yes, these tactic do work on “quality girls”. Shit, even guys to some extent become less interested in a chick when capturing her attention is too damn easy. It has nothing to do with self-esteem, it has to do with something being worth more when it is fleeting and hard to capture and suddenly seeming cheap when it is too easy. Women are more prone to this for evo-psych reasons – you suddenly go all gaga over some chick, her “instincts” (not her thinking brain) are going to think – if this dude gives up so easy, it doesn’t really say much about my attractiveness, it just says he is an easy-to-please douche. I have seen it happen many, many times with highly intelligent, interesting and well-adjusted chicks. They aren’t being shallow, they have a good and natural mechanism for ascertaining value – rarity.

    Man, who isn’t being maniulative on the dating market? There need be no malice behind “manipulation” – it is a value-neutral concept.

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  43. on July 16, 2010 at 1:25 pm Original JB

    “All of these pre-meditated “techniques” that attempt to establish DHV only work on girls with low self-esteem, i.e. girls with “daddy issues.” ”

    And the downside of casually dating girls with low self-esteem is…what exactly?

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  44. ” just like conservative Christians think of themselves as victims if you criticize their baseless beliefs – not because they are being treated worse than other beliefs, but because they are used to special kid gloves treatment.”

    Seriously? What part of the world do you come from???

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  45. on July 16, 2010 at 1:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Like shes been sick today so I have superamped the cuddly talk and it makes her laugh even though she has a fever. She still cooked for me and fed me. I guess she got hungry feeling better after she had chills coming back from washing up. I applied three blanks and cuddled her till chills passed. So she sits up. Offers me some i am good. Sits at my feet and is eating with right hand but has left hand on my thigh then my calf then my foot. Then she finishes eating and asks me if my drink is ok. I give her the glass as she is getting up she does the thigh leg and but touch then fills my glass comes back. While getting into bed she does the touch again thigh calf ankle but then touches me with her feet to but lol then layes down against me. I think the cuddling may work to build attraction in ltr. but yea if your just getting notch it will benefit you not to cuddle so woman doesn’t fall in love then you can get rid of her.

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  46. I come from the American South. As soon as a belief is called religious, it is off limits to criticism or else you are being “intolerant” and religious belief is deemed a fitting reason for making laws, prayer is deemed a fitting public exercise in problem solving, etc. I just want all religious belief to be treated the way Christians treat all others – vaguely, but benignly, suspicious tolerance. Maybe there is some heavenly section of the country where this isn’t the case, but I haven’t seen it, having lived in the south and midwest.

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  47. FAIL

    An additional night bang and morning wood bang, render all this useless.

    Over a lifetime, leaving deprives you of 100s bangs

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  48. I’ve been unconsciously doing this for years.

    I restrict the touching intimacy to more advanced stages.

    I hadn’t thought about it in this way before. It was just what I did.

    Hm.

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  49. on July 16, 2010 at 2:01 pm 9, The Editor

    Happy Friday. Excellent post. I am sending my gamma coworkers here today!

    The problem is worse…I’d offer womens ego are in a…alternate universe.

    @ Rocko, same here dude. IMO this page contains tips for interpersonal skills to men for finding/attracting women. While many here retain their faith including myself, I say things between the sexes are not about “God or ungodliness”, they are neutral and/or just freely exist.

    In yesterdays post Sir, Chancelot was being “well meaning” and sometimes rather wrong, but here, its just dating, sex and relational issues. (Written in the female perspective of course) I was going to mention something but didn’t. It is always nice to see the threads here not turn into christian vs. secular sides.

    (Come on guys, loosen up, interact, date – chill out – get some game)

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  50. on July 16, 2010 at 2:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Had to remove arm. push pull I guess.
    But then it is turn toward me with hand on inner thigh then arm over stomach. then hand back to inner thigh where it sits. Then cuddles in laying on my arm and is asleep in like 60 seconds. Too cute but anyway.

    I was thinking and I guess technically if you do meet the woman you fuck all night that you are leaving soon after sex to go do something else which is normally work for me in past. So yea demontrating value I do suppose.

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  51. Please, do get the hell out after sex. The first thing a sexually vibrant, gorgeous woman with plenty of prospects wants after sex with a douchebag who pretends to be all that and a nutsack o’ confidence is the place back to herself so she can get the nasty smell of jizz and bad voojoo out of her home-space.

    But, who are you kidding here?

    Skanky pretender guy seeks skanky drunk woman at skanky bars and skeazy clubs and you whoring guys are STILL trying to impress a supposed ‘hot’ skank as if it matters at all? More like, you better leave after the booze has worn off and she ain’t so ‘hot’ any more now that the hangover has kicked in and her ‘face’ is smeared all over her pillow.

    Duds (yes, DUDS), why even try with the whole ‘one upmanship’ to overpower a SKANK? Just wear a t-shirt that says, “Blow me, skanks” and be done with it, you dolts.

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  52. on July 16, 2010 at 2:17 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzlzozlzlzozlzl

    generally i hae my pants on and am halfway out the door while my splooge is stilflying through the air as it is a good time to leave because usually her eyes are closed at this point with that “oh no the sp-looge is gonna hit me in the face” look on her face lzozlzlzozolzlzlz

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  53. MK-Ultra’s gravatar looks like the sploge that just hit her forehead.

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  54. MattW

    If you live with the girl, would simply leaving the room fill approximately the same function? Just say you remembered something you were going to do and leave the room for a few minutes at least.

    Also, how often do you need to do this to get the right effect? Half of the time, all the time, once a week…?

    Has Roissy ever lived w/ a girl? Doesn’t sound like it, I say as someone who’s read his complete oeuvre.

    Anyway, he’s talking here about a new girl, now one you’re living with.

    Don’t make any excuse, just get up and do something, it that’s what you feel like doing. Or you can nap briefly after sex if you feel like that. Just don’t always cuddle her or she won’t we wanting it so much after awhile.

    That’s how you tell btw. The key is she should be “chasing” you to cuddle, not getting quite as much as she wants. That doesn’t mean she’s getting none, or not quite a bit. Depends on her, etc.

    The man must be colder than the girl to be fully the man. That doesn’t mean ice particularly in a living together LTR.

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  55. Also, regarding the ‘numbers’ game [ask as many skanks until one says “yes”].

    Well, big, fat, spermy DUH. There will always be a whore who will fuck and suck once you ask around enough. That certainly doesn’t mean your mad game skillz worked. That just means you found yourself a genuine skank such as yourself who will bounce a dick or two a night just for the hell of it and you are nothing special.

    Dayum you guys are retarded.

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  56. Dayum you guys are retarded.

    then why are you here?

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  57. Cuddling after you’ve just started to sleep together is weird, and I don’t have a cold bone in my body. I just give the guy my bed and take the couch. You can always balance the cuddle instinct by “giving it to her” caveman style and then trying to cuddle after. ….talk about sending the hamster wheel into a tailspin.

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  58. That’s so funny and original, PA.

    Your avatar looks like a patch from grandma’s quilt that you still cling to and cry on when it isn’t too dried up from the infected, yellow cum stains in between washes.

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  59. Silver Fox-

    “An additional night bang and morning wood bang, render all this useless.”

    –very true. It may be his loss.

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  60. “then why are you here?”

    Wreck-watch Friday.

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  61. on July 16, 2010 at 2:31 pm Sir_Chancealot

    To 9, The Editor: I did not post yesterday. The last post before this was on the 14th. And no, I was not “wrong”. Nor “well meaning” inasmuch as you can’t really say that speaking the truth is “well meaning”.

    As to today’s subject:

    Back when I was married, I used to bang the old lady in the morning, pop out of bed, into the shower, and off to work. Then, I’d get home and bang the old lady before falling asleep.

    I wonder how that played out with the rationalization gerbil?

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  62. MK, all gravatars have radial symmetry and simple angular elements, so all will look like quilt patches. Yours, however, has the distinction suggesting a fluid with consistency, oh, I dunnno, of dish detergent, going SPLAT! on a flat surface, such as your forehead.

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  63. @jr
    then why are you here?

    Must be Friday. Time for the weekly visit by an aging feminist looking to shame players into paying attention to her.

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  64. I don’t post here much, but I was posting over at McArdle’s blog in defense of Roissy. It is funny, I might be one of the few political liberals who reads and enjoys this site daily not to get into a political discussion. I generally agree 100% with the broad outlines of Roissy’s views on gender essentialism, evolutionary psychology, the large heritability of IQ and, the potential negative and unsought societal side-effects of broad changes in gender roles (rather than quietly acknowledging the existence of and not hindering the freedom of a handful of outliers to the norm). It is another question altogether whether and when we hamper the rights of individuals based on group data (however woefully or happily true) and how much and when we hinder individuals for the good of society (which liberals and conservatives both would do). We can all work from the same set of facts and come to different conclusions on those matters. But just ignoring sound evidence, such as the wonderful anecdotal and evo-psych evidence Roissy presents here. is simply willful blindness.

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  65. None of the avatars look manly. But, fitting since this website is like a sewing circle. Considering the author of this blog chose these particular avatars to represent you all is not of my doing so I find it ironic that you try to use a random avatar to needle me rather than actually addressing any of the points I made.

    Because.

    Of course.

    You have no counterpoint.

    -=lol=-

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  66. Time for the weekly visit by an aging feminist looking to shame players into paying attention to her.

    Married and a real Alpha, not a poser douche like you pathetic, sleazy, disease spreading bridge dwellers.

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  67. You have no counterpoint.

    great! now you can go away.

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  68. not a poser douche like you pathetic, sleazy, disease spreading bridge dwellers.

    I have it on good authority that these guys are the real deal, not posers. And none of them live under bridges. So there!

    (You guys can’t say I never stick up for you)

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  69. @anoukange

    I just give the guy my bed and take the couch.

    My kinda girl!

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  70. @jr
    great! now you can go away.

    You can’t rush these things. First she has to try to shame you into “manning up” and “take responsibility” etc. She hasn’t even made her impassioned plea for you to stop being so superficial and start appreciating plain or older women yet.

    Give her time.

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  71. Get up early for a business trip? Hmm that may be tough to pull off as i am a cart attendant at the local Target…

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  72. on July 16, 2010 at 2:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea no need to cuddle after sex lol

    So yea then she has game push pull after I move the arm and rolls over the other way so I am looking at her “but” in some nice panties and nothing else. Which is looking pretty good. So I roll towards her and she rolls towards me. I am like do you want to fuck she says no looking away. I am like you want to fuck she says no cutsy voice eyes glowing. Then I start sucking on nipple and shes moaning game over. Then I turn away to write blog comment and again she is cuddled into my back hand on my but. he he he

    Not to bad a life I wreckin. But yea still helps to infuse with fresh pussy and I may get away with more because she has seen me stare down death multiple times and be unafraid.

    Oh wait now turned away again hahahahahah
    So yea she got some game as far as come get me.

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  73. This makes so much fucking sense.

    I’ve been doing it wrong all these years. Fuck.

    I wish I had this info when I was, say 16.

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  74. on July 16, 2010 at 3:09 pm Trimegistus

    Sorry, folks, I call b.s. on this piece of . . . advice. Sure, you may gain some small psychological advantage, but look what you’re giving up! I like the morning screw, and I sure as hell like it better than riding home in a taxi at 4 a.m. when I’d rather be sleeping. Isn’t the whole point of Game to maximize your pleasure? This kind of disciplined sex-monk shit seems more like spite for spite’s sake.

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  75. on July 16, 2010 at 3:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’MK-Ultra
    Time for the weekly visit by an aging feminist looking to shame players into paying attention to her.

    Married and a real Alpha, not a poser douche like you pathetic, sleazy, disease spreading bridge dwellers.”””’

    This blog consists of people from all walks of life income color and everything in between you fucking non reading idiot.

    How long have you been married to your husband?

    You do understand that 50 percent of marriages fail right?

    Do you gamble?

    You do realize it is pretty pathetic to put yourself in a position where you can lose all your assets. That leads me to believe that you are uneducated about real life.

    ””””””MK-Ultra
    Also, regarding the ‘numbers’ game [ask as many skanks until one says “yes”].

    Well, big, fat, spermy DUH. There will always be a whore who will fuck and suck once you ask around enough. That certainly doesn’t mean your mad game skillz worked. That just means you found yourself a genuine skank such as yourself who will bounce a dick or two a night just for the hell of it and you are nothing special.

    Dayum you guys are retarded.
    ””””””””’

    Intelligence seems to be quit high on this blog. All woman are pretty much whores in the right circumstance. What helps in game is having enough experience to know that and enough experience to know which whore is right for you. I mean think about it if a guy offered your wife 20 bucks to fuck would she?
    exactly Then she is a whore eh’
    he he he

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  76. @MK-Ultra,

    Here’s hoping your ass is as hot as your brain.

    Kisses.

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  77. on July 16, 2010 at 3:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on July 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm MK-Ultra
    Please, do get the hell out after sex. The first thing a sexually vibrant, gorgeous woman with plenty of prospects wants after sex with a douchebag who pretends to be all that and a nutsack o’ confidence is the place back to herself so she can get the nasty smell of jizz and bad voojoo out of her home-space.
    ”””””””’
    Yea you just described a whore it is very dificult to game these woman into giving it up for free.

    She has to clean up because the next guy doesn’t want to see all the cum on the walls.

    But yea if your extra special you can get her to quit that life and be your personal whore and take a massive pay cut.

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  78. Aboukange says, “Cuddling after you’ve just started to sleep together is weird, and I don’t have a cold bone in my body. I just give the guy my bed and take the couch. You can always balance the cuddle instinct by “giving it to her” caveman style and then trying to cuddle after. ….talk about sending the hamster wheel into a tailspin.”

    Okay, now that I’ve just picked my jaw up off the floor…

    Why are you (specifically you, not “you” as in the unaware hordes of women in general) shagging dudes who wouldn’t want to cuddle after?

    …and honestly by cuddle I mean hold you in place so you’re there as soon as Mr. Happy recovers.

    I mean…what kind of…?

    Christ!

    I have usually have to ask permission to pee, or sneak and wriggle out like a mouse under a lion’s paw.

    Maybe it means that my men have all been incredibly desperate. I don’t know. It just seems like a guy jumping out of bed right after was doing it wrong.

    I mean, the guys can say whatever they want, and may be shagging women they aren’t or don’t want to look like they’re invested in. Women with self respect shouldn’t be shagging guys like that though.

    It might happen anyway, evo-bio being what it is…but it shouldn’t be weird when a guy is dedicated to getting the job done multiple times.

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  79. on July 16, 2010 at 3:29 pm Original JB

    “Because.

    Of course.

    You have no counterpoint.”

    Your values aren’t universal and no rhetorical emphasis or intensity will make them so. Now scurry away.

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  80. on July 16, 2010 at 3:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    It is like she is constantly fucking touching me and pulling away even while sleeping lol

    Wild shit.

    Yea I did get idea to monitor it from roissy’s touching post he had.

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  81. Cuddling after you’ve just started to sleep together is weird, and I don’t have a cold bone in my body.

    I find this a little odd. I am not a huge cuddler per se, but I pretty much want some version of contact/clinging after I get intimate with someone.

    Which is why this post is ruthless and mean and mean. It’s like denying the comfort or emotional or whatever O. Mean. Ruthless.

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  82. Al, I’ve come to understand that a great many women like mean and ruthless.

    I like odd, pompous, and capable of killing people with their bare hands, but that’s just another flavor of frightening.

    Women like men who scare them a little…one way or another.

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  83. Nicole-

    “Why are you (specifically you, not “you” as in the unaware hordes of women in general) shagging dudes who wouldn’t want to cuddle after?”

    –it goes both ways. A guy with a high cuddle instinct with someone he is just starting to sleep with is bringing it on too quickly. There are different types of cuddle too. Laying in the nook? Or being smooshed like a body pillow?

    al-

    Don’t get so hung up on exact definitions, as I didn’t in my comment. Too mush so is a turn off. There are guys who over do it too soon.

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  84. This much work put into ‘gaming’ skanks who put out anyway is fucking hilarious and the actual bragging about scoring with skanks is even funnier.

    Playing 1-2-3-whore-bingo doesn’t take game. It just takes commitment to being a rutting, mindless hump and dump low caliber douche out for the same type of meaningless fuck as the meaningless slut pussy he’s looking for.

    The manwhores and womenwhores don’t need game to get together. They just have to sniff each other’s crotches out of a crowd of other low hanging fruit which isn’t exactly rocket-science or the need for strategy. Hell, you probably need more strategy to find a low-end prostitute than a slut who will be waxing some other dude’s infected salami within a few more hours and another bottle of JD.

    Being a man-whore is NOT work and does not take SKILL, meat-heads.

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  85. on July 16, 2010 at 3:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    It is like she is constantly fucking touching me and pulling away even while sleeping lol

    Wild shit.

    Yea I did get idea to monitor it from our writers touching post he had.

    But yea then I turned around and put my arm under her head twirling hair and she held my arm and put her hand on my leg.

    Then I turned to write comment and she is like laassh
    Which is “why” because she wanted me to cuddle her. This is from sleep position.

    Our whole day consists of contantly touching each other.
    Seems to be working.

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  86. Being a man-whore is NOT work and does not take SKILL, meat-heads.

    that may be one of the dumbest things i’ve read in a while. you’re definitely a woman.

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  87. on July 16, 2010 at 3:53 pm paultheking

    “Post-sex cuddling is like a chemical reaction which drains your testosterone by the minute”

    This line hit me like a truck.. Nice writing R

    “It’s all done on the subconscious level of course, but that’s the level that is most dangerous, since it operates by flying under the radar of our conscious perimeter defenses.”

    So insidious and yet.. so true.

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  88. Just wear them out in the sack.
    While she sleeps soundlessly, I go to the kitchen, crack a Heinekin and kick back on the sofa and watch Seinfeld.
    Ah, no boring conversations.

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  89. Great find with the first PDF article on female motivation of sex. Solid evidence supporting and confirming your views. I’m sure feminists will never acknowledge it.

    So interesting that sociology should have more evolutionary psychology, such as social Darwinism. Too bad feminists took over college education. I can’t even take a finance course without being subjected to PC propaganda.

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  90. Rocko–

    Welcome.

    I was quite like you at one stage in my Weltanschauung evolution. I’m not that different now, though I wouldn’t describe myself as a liberal any longer, for some time now. Realist rather.

    What I detest and want ended is political correctness. That form of thought censorship, or public communication and espousal of ideas censorship through taboo, anyway. At least in respectable forums and places.

    There’s an element of it that should be preserved. Though really that was there before, in our Anglosphere elite culture. Civility or rather more than that, and so on. As opposed to hate speech. As well as tolerance and openness.

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  91. A good way to avoid cuddling is to have sex with her anywhere BUT a bed.

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  92. MK-Ultra – your basic premise is wrong. All women are skanks provided the man has enough status. Game just magnifies that status.

    Keep blabbing though, your delusions become more self evident as you do so.

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  93. @J R

    “Being a man-whore is NOT work and does not take SKILL, meat-heads.”

    “That may be one of the dumbest things i’ve read in a while. you’re definitely a woman.”

    So true. Does the poster know that whore, slut, skank and player are interchangeable when applied to a man? It’s also funny that they already have a image of a man-whore which is a meat head… so I’m assuming bad boys, soldiers, criminals, athletes and generally other alpha archetypes? So easy to tell since women base their arguments on emotion/feelings and not logic. Hence even if you prove that they are being illogical they can’t comprehend that.

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  94. “Post-sex cuddling is like a chemical reaction which drains your testosterone by the minute”

    Roissy wasn’t being metaphorical here, he is stating biochemical fact. I am surprised he didn’t reference it.

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  95. MK-Ultra

    Being a man-whore is NOT work and does not take SKILL, meat-heads.

    I agree, that’s an epically stupid thing to say. And that you’re without question either a woman or a man who never get’s laid. But far more likely the first.

    Now sure, if you have or develop mad skillz, or are an uber celebrity particularly on the openly doing sex appeal side of same (rock star, etc.), then it’s not so much work no, esp. with mere 7s and 8s. (Many rockers are happy to have a line of 6’s blow them too it seems.)

    But that in itself is mad skillz, that kind of celebrity. Dumb ass.

    In contrast any 7 or 6 rated girl, not to mention higher, can be a girl whore up the yin yang just by putting on makeup, dressing a little or alot like a slut, and spreading her legs.

    Dumb ass feminazi.

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  96. I would say the instinct to “cuddle” after sex with a short-term hookup or near short-term hookup would fall under the rubric of transgressing the basic male dynamic of “interested, interested, VERY interested,…suddenly not interested.”

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  97. al —

    Which is why this post is ruthless and mean and mean. It’s like denying the comfort or emotional or whatever O. Mean. Ruthless.

    Damn straight.

    Tough shiite bitch. You were made to serve and follow men. Some men.

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  98. on July 16, 2010 at 4:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    mk must have read 50 laws or power or whatever don’t respond when it hurts your case ignore when it makes you look like idiot. Good job at original thought moron.

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  99. on July 16, 2010 at 4:10 pm Cannon's Canon

    Though really that was there before, in our Anglosphere elite culture. Civility or rather more than that, and so on. As opposed to hate speech. As well as tolerance and openness.

    yes, tolerance and civility are great within the Anglosphere. and damn that pesky hate speech.

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  100. How does this all work with a guy who falls asleep with 2 minutes after an orgasm?

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  101. Cannon’s Cannon–

    France as well on that.

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  102. Anoukange says, “–it goes both ways. A guy with a high cuddle instinct with someone he is just starting to sleep with is bringing it on too quickly. There are different types of cuddle too. Laying in the nook? Or being smooshed like a body pillow?”

    Shouldn’t there be some bringing it on before the sex though?

    I mean…how do you have sex without touching and building up to the moment? What makes you want to have sex with a guy who doesn’t want to touch you?

    Wouldn’t the after be a kind of continuation of the before?

    Maybe I’ve been too hard on my former bitches. Apparently they’re relatively attentive.

    If most guys are this bad, I’m calling Hannibal and busting out the chocolate syrup.

    I have been a spoiled princess.

    I have got some apologies to make. No, I’ll just leave it. My ego can’t bear the shame.

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  103. You do realize screwing whores is gay? You’re sticking your dick where some other guys cum is still dripping out of from a few hours before. Tucker Max alludes to this when an ex-skank friend of his calls to suck his cock before she goes out on a date. Probably kissed a dumbass douche like one of you posers with her cum mouth which makes you a cock-sucker too by proxy.

    Of course you don’t fucking cuddle a woman-whore or man-whore. Man-whores and woman-whores don’t deserve cuddling or anything more than sharing a cum dripping infected cunt and mouth that has other cock on rotation like a revolving door. Revolving-door-whore. I made a funny.

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  104. on July 16, 2010 at 4:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’The_King
    @J R

    “Being a man-whore is NOT work and does not take SKILL, meat-heads.”

    “That may be one of the dumbest things i’ve read in a while. you’re definitely a woman.”

    So true. Does the poster know that whore, slut, skank and player are interchangeable when applied to a man? It’s also funny that they already have a image of a man-whore which is a meat head… so I’m assuming bad boys, soldiers, criminals, athletes and generally other alpha archetypes? So easy to tell since women base their arguments on emotion/feelings and not logic. Hence even if you prove that they are being illogical they can’t comprehend that.

    ”””””

    I think you guys are nailing it the thing that keeps posting hate but nothing else got to be a woman a man might have some conviction about why.

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  105. Snowflake…melting…Melting! Oh, what a world! What a world!

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  106. Anon

    How does this all work with a guy who falls asleep with 2 minutes after an orgasm?

    Presumably because you’ve been pounding the shiite out of her.

    Well that’s good too in a LTR.

    With a new girl at her place, not so good.

    You don’t want girls wishing they could have gotten you to go home, while you’re zzzzing next to her in HER bed. You want to go home making her wishing you’d stayed, when she might have been ambivalent about it before you popped out of bed and started putting on your clothes. Capiche?

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  107. on July 16, 2010 at 4:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’I have been a spoiled princess.

    I have got some apologies to make. No, I’ll just leave it. My ego can’t bear the shame.
    ”””

    Feel better now don’t ya. he he he
    Those guys actually liked you not just wanted to use you.
    It was because you didn’t like yourself that you thought they couldn’t.

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  108. After having sexytime the last place I want to be is away from him. Cuddling after sex is just so damn right!

    My arm and leg draped over his body, head on his pillow, staring at his dreamy profile.

    him: *staring at the ceiling*
    me: whatcha thinkin’ of?
    him: *silence*
    me: helllooooo! are you dreaming of me?
    him: if i wanted a flat roof then i should probably mount a series of 2 by 4s across the tops of the wall frames, then cover the roof area with plywood…blah blah blah.
    me: you’re thinking about nails and hammers right now? dear lord, you’re awesome! 🙂

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  109. Damn. My man knew what Game was before he even knew what Game was. This has been standard practice in the Dream Puppy household since we first got together.

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  110. every time i read nicole type “one of my bitches” my eyes vomit and try to jump out of my head and run away

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  111. on July 16, 2010 at 4:22 pm Original JB

    “What I detest and want ended is political correctness. ”

    +1000

    “It is another question altogether whether and when we hamper the rights of individuals based on group data (however woefully or happily true) and how much and when we hinder individuals for the good of society (which liberals and conservatives both would do).”

    Right now we’re hampering the rights of individuals based on a nonscientific sociohistorical narrative. It’s not like the cure would be worse than the disease — the only difference I see is that it might actually be grounded in science.

    But if we went libertarian on this issue (removal of group identity from public discourse – treat all as individuals) I could live with it.

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  112. on July 16, 2010 at 4:24 pm Vincent Ignatius

    There are different types of cuddle too. Laying in the nook? Or being smooshed like a body pillow?

    Good point. To me cuddling is pretty much just laying there and allowing the girl to put her head on my chest.

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  113. I think this is callous, there are other ways to demonstrate higher value than doing something like this. Maybe a good strategy for a ONS and I can see how someone in that situation would enjoy the 4am ride home. But in anything else..sure an over cuddly or clingy person can be offputting, but this is extreme. Plus benefit of staying around for cuddling is the oxytocin rush in the girl you’ll benefit from next time. And the guy who stands out in my whole life as a lover was the one who was the best at cuddling.

    Personally, if this happened to me, I would be really really upset. I would feel destroyed. And would be far more careful about having sex with the next person.

    ‘While landing a charming SOB like yourself for sex will boost a girl’s ego’
    The impression I got on this blog was that a girl shouldn’t get impressed on who she lands for sex alone.

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  114. @me!
    LOL. I can’t believe you ask a guy what he’s thinking.

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  115. Lily–

    Myself I would (I do) let a new girl I’m into cuddle with me for awhile after. But not as much as she wants. That’s what’s key. Giving her a taste, but leaving her wanting more.

    The default advice to leave or get her to after first sex is good. Not in every case, but generally, yes.

    It might not be just what you think you’d want Lily, but it will be what makes you have to try to get more.

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  116. I will try this with my wife tonight. I’ve been noticing signs lately that she is too sure of the stability of the relationship.

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  117. “Plus benefit of staying around for cuddling is the oxytocin rush in the girl you’ll benefit from next time. And the guy who stands out in my whole life as a lover was the one who was the best at cuddling. ”

    So where is he now?

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  118. “Personally, if this happened to me, I would be really really upset. I would feel destroyed. And would be far more careful about having sex with the next person. ”

    You wouldn’t be destoyed because you don’t leave with the attitude of “later, trick! you just got pumped and dumped!”. You leave with a positive atitude of open-ended potentiality at a later time. If women want guys who are all sensitive and shit, they should start rewarding them for it. Women won’t generally put up with out and out assholes, but they do seem to reward ambivalent behavior where the validation they seek is there, then its gone, but may come back. There is is again, but then again gone.

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  119. on July 16, 2010 at 4:54 pm paultheking

    @Vincent I

    [If you live with the girl…]

    “You’ve already failed. ”

    Too funny!! that explains everything about one of my exes

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  120. @Doug
    I can’t relate, but obviously I’m only one person so can’t make any assumptions. Anyone I’ve had sex with has been into cuddling after sex with one exception I’ve just thought of.

    “It might not be just what you think you’d want Lily, but it will be what makes you have to try to get more.”
    I’m trying to think back on my life and the only person I can think of who wasn’t into cuddling was a guy I dated for about 6 months when I was 22 who was older, I think he must have been 33 at the time (which at the time seemed a lot older). It didn’t make me want me more, it made me think he was cold. Sure I was into him but for other reasons and if he had been different, we probably wouldn’t have split up.

    Possibly, I sought validation from him in other ways during the relationship because of the lack of cuddles post sex, but that wasn’t good for either my security or the relationship. Thinking about it more, I never felt physically bonded to him as my boyfriends before or the boyfriend and husband after. Maybe linked to only having protected sex maybe due to less oxytocin.

    Hell, I feel more physically bonded to the player than I ever did with that guy and we only cuddle with our clothes as part of our hanging out.

    And clearly if someone’s not looking for physical bonding, then it doesn’t matter. And there’s the clear human dynamic of wanting more. And I’m sure if I had sex with a guy at his place and left straight afterwards he would want more. It was a tip in a chapter of an ebook I read recently, I’m sure it would be very effective but I think it’s callous. I would not want to resort to such tactics for a man to want me more.

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  121. Guns says, “Feel better now don’t ya. he he he”

    No.

    I feel like that moron on the audience test episode of _Invader Zim_.

    “Those guys actually liked you not just wanted to use you.
    It was because you didn’t like yourself that you thought they couldn’t.”

    I’m pretty sure that I didn’t like myself then. I’m not so sure that they didn’t just want to use me, even though I’m sure they like me.

    It’s a complicated situation here with religion and ethnicity, and most guys are too weak to go against their parents or social group if they’re religious.

    Hannibal has been social proofed in the exotics by being a Thai baby daddy, and his cousin apparently trying to get us to make her some more half breed second cousins before it’s too late. So now, I’m thinking he wasn’t a sociotard. He’s just not a complete mangina.

    Aw man…

    Nicole not like squishy feeling in brain.

    Dana, you’re probably right. I might have to start calling them ex boyfriends.

    It’s Friday. I’m going to drink A LOT. If anyone else would like to celebrate my fall from this high horse, it’s vodka and Polish pickles.

    Then I’m going to allow myself to do the most pathetic drunk SMS in the history of womankind. I will be an utter embarassment to vaginites the world over.

    Wish me luck.

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  122. wow, I never thought I’d see Nicole coming here for moral/emotional support, or her telling Dana that she might be right. The axes are tilting!

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  123. @Rocko
    “So where is he now”
    It was a long long time ago. But I’m on good terms with my exes (though not friends under my personal definition) and he’s been in touch since he found out I’d got divorced.
    He lives in LA, working in the movie industry. He’s 40 and has managed to accumulate 2 or 3 children with 2 or 3 different women.
    So I made a good call thinking he was not emotionally ready for the commitment he said he was looking for. They were good cuddles though 🙂 I will remember them on my deathbed. Hopefully, things will happen between now and then that will make me not, but certainly if I died now I’d remember them on my deathbed 🙂

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  124. Lily–

    It was a tip in a chapter of an ebook I read recently, I’m sure it would be very effective but I think it’s callous. I would not want to resort to such tactics for a man to want me more.

    I’m glad you feel that way. It reveals you as feminine, and make you more attractive to me, and other men no doubt.

    I’m a man. An dominant but caring one. My nature and I’ve learned it’s not good to cover it up. Well was learning that in junior high. Unlearning good guy programing, which was mixed in my case.

    I was talking about to you about the first time. Not every time thereafter. I do let girls cuddle with me yes, and enjoy it . But I’d never initiate after cuddle sex, and consider it a bad sign if she’s the one that broke it off. A very bad sign, not to be allowed to happen, on first sex, still closely examining each other period, without tons of relationship credit built up.

    It’s the man’s job to be a little colder, and more in control. If he wants to be a man, and more control her. And yes Lily, that’s what I want to and do do.

    Now I don’t like this w/a control freak, cold woman. Unless I can break her on that to something completely different w/me, which yes I’ve done as well. Cause unless that happens, who wants that kind of frosty calculating control battle? Not me.

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  125. on July 16, 2010 at 5:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ok she just turned around again and said “cuddly”
    Arm over my side face cuddled on my back.

    Ok I guess she is hooked.

    he he he

    Then again other times if she is not near and I want to cuddle me I remain where I am and say come over here.
    And she does reenforces listening to me I think.

    Interesting keeping track.

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  126. @rocko
    “Women won’t generally put up with out and out assholes, but they do seem to reward ambivalent behavior where the validation they seek is there, then its gone, but may come back. There is is again, but then again gone.”
    I agree with this. Personally, I’m not into ambivalence though, I’d move on. But the experience would in some way impact my next relationship and the next man (poor dude).

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  127. @MK-Ultra
    You do realize screwing whores is gay?

    lozlzlzozlzlzozlzl

    I knew I’d forgotten something. She also has to say we are gay.

    Good thing she remembered! Would have spoiled the ritual.

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  128. @Doug
    “I was talking about to you about the first time.”

    I agree that men should lead and probably be a bit more removed than the woman but I think many guys underestimate the process women go through internally before sleeping with them.

    Sure this doesn’t apply to a woman who meets someone and takes them home that night (which I’m not categorising as a particular woman, all types of women go through different stages in their lives) and this blog post may have been more about them. But for many other women they have thought about having sex far more than the man has (i.e. he probably decided within 5 mins of meeting her the first time he wanted sex with her), it could be days it could be weeks or months, but it’s considerably more than the man. She’s more emotionally vested and the first time is a deal (I’m not saying big deal as it could be for a virgin but it’s still a deal) and she may feel vulnerable.

    So I do think it’s callous. I think it would be callous for a woman to do it to a guy and he is likely to be much less vested in it as I described above.

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  129. on July 16, 2010 at 5:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    And woman say men think about game too much. You can’t think about it too much as a man.

    My woman has never read anything on game. Yet she games me in her sleep wtf. I like it though he he he

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  130. @anoukange

    “Cuddling after you’ve just started to sleep together is weird,”

    Why have sex with someone you don’t want intimacy with?

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  131. on July 16, 2010 at 5:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’al
    wow, I never thought I’d see Nicole coming here for moral/emotional support, or her telling Dana that she might be right. The axes are tilting!
    ”””’

    Yea must be a banner day. One day woman might start coming on her talking about not needing or worrying about child support or alimony and they just want to be a good teamate for there man and help to make sure their family is the shit and they know that for majority of men if they do that the guy is gonna be there for them in their moments of need to the best of his ability.

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  132. @Nicole @3:26

    If we were 12, you could say, “Jinx” to me, and I’d owe you a Coke.

    No cuddles, WTF?

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  133. on July 16, 2010 at 5:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’dalrock
    @MK-Ultra
    You do realize screwing whores is gay?

    lozlzlzozlzlzozlzl

    I knew I’d forgotten something. She also has to say we are gay.

    Good thing she remembered! Would have spoiled the ritual.

    ””””
    lol for the circle to be complete she would have to say small dicked insecure bla bla

    The thing you always have to remember is the small dick that is the important cut down in any debate. Just not in a relationship normally he he he

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  134. @Anon

    “I will try this with my wife tonight. I’ve been noticing signs lately that she is too sure of the stability of the relationship.”

    Yeah, you wouldn’t want someone you’ve legally committed to, theoretically for the rest of your life, to think you love her.

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  135. Gunslingergregi @5:53

    I’ve basically described my marriage in similar terms several times on this blog. I’m still waiting for my ticker-tape parade.

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  136. @J
    Lol. I actually think it’s not a bad thing for the guy to show a bit of hand in his marriage. But she may wonder where he’s going after sex lol.

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  137. Hm. If a guy leaves after the first time we’ve had sex, or stays but doesn’t touch me… I lose interest. In my head, he’s either mentally unavailable (pointless to pursue) or was just using my body to get off. On the latter, he’s not even having fun with it. If you’re going to use me, then use me. I want a night filled with sex, a penetrative wake-up call, and a pat on the ass when he heads out the door.

    I think I’d laugh in the face of a guy that went to sleep in another room. If we were at my place, I’d tell him to get in my bed or leave, if we were at his place, I’d pat him on the ass, thank him for the dicking, and jet.

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  138. I told you it was really interesting stuff!

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  139. on July 16, 2010 at 6:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””J
    Gunslingergregi @5:53

    I’ve basically described my marriage in similar terms several times on this blog. I’m still waiting for my ticker-tape parade.

    ”””””
    With nicole it is just such a massive contrast as to be on the verge of insane plus she has been posting for years. But yea how long have you been posting j?

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  140. on July 16, 2010 at 6:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    And gonna need links that specifically say don’t care or will require child support alimony in event of seperation.

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  141. on July 16, 2010 at 6:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    will not require child support alimony.

    Since anything less and the woman can be assumed to be expecting it in the west as an entitlement for having a vag.

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  142. @Lily

    “I actually think it’s not a bad thing for the guy to show a bit of hand in his marriage.”

    I’m no fan of “hand,” but no one wants a doormat. There’s a happy medium that few guys know how to find.

    “But she may wonder where he’s going after sex lol.”

    IME, the bathroom.

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  143. Lily said: “But she may wonder where he’s going after sex ”

    She watches enough Dexter to use her imagination on that one.

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  144. There’s a happy medium that few guys know how to find.

    With faced with the decision, better for the man to choose hand than be a doormat.

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  145. Gunslinger,

    I think I’ve been posting about a month. I’m not sure I’ve ever posted specifically on alimony since I’m not comtemplating divorce, and this is my first and only marriage. I do not live in an alimony state, and I’m actually that alimony is such a big concern to people. I sort of thought it was over in most states.

    I did say to exsplat just yesterday that I could support myself in the event of death or divorce and that would be fine with me. OTOH, I’ve mentioned elsewhere, including to Lily in the last few days, that I’ve brought in enough assets, labor and efforts over the last 20 years to deserve my half of the community property.

    More to my point is that when I’ve talked about favoring this in a marriage: “they just want to be a good teamate for there man and help to make sure their family is the shit and they know that for majority of men if they do that the guy is gonna be there for them in their moments of need to the best of his ability” or described my husband in this way, no one listens.

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  146. I think I’d laugh in the face of a guy that went to sleep in another room.

    Who’s talking about leaving to sleep in another room? I think we’re just talking about leaving, period.

    Also, don’t forget, most guys should have their eyes focused on the long game, not the short one. Leaving after sex periodically sprinkled with the occasional cuddle heightens the mystery, and allows a man to build his harem methodically, thus ensuring a ready supply of estrogen should he require it.

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  147. @Tim

    “With faced with the decision, better for the man to choose hand than be a doormat.

    No, when faced with the decision, it’s better for the man to learn how to find the happy medium.

    While I personally don’t want a doormat, I sure the hell don’t want to be one either.

    Two people who care about their relationship can negotiate positions of mutual respect for each other if they try. It’s better for both of them in the long run.

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  148. @Dalrock

    “From the stats I’ve seen only around 2% of fathers who were confident in their paternity were mistaken (vs 30% cuckoldry for those who were suspicious).”

    Those numbers seem right.

    “Still not good numbers given how awful this would be, but it is always good to understand the actual risk vs making shit up.”

    Any idea how this breaks down in terms of husbands vs. baby-daddys? I’d bet there are far more cuckolds among the baby-daddys.

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  149. Tim,

    A couple of the commenters above suggested sleeping in another room or on the couch as alternatives to flat-out leaving. Thought that was fairly ridiculous.

    I’m not disagreeing with leaving after sex, especially as it indicates not only dominance but boundaries as well. A talented man can set the rules of a relationship witthout ever having to say them aloud.

    But I do disagree with leaving after the first time you have sex if you’re going for long term. If you’re going for a ONS, on the other hand, piss on her cat and leave.

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  150. Uh. No. Making fun of the size of another dude’s dick IS gay.

    Making fun of guys trying to brag about their multitudinous gameboi ways of scoring with skanks and manipulating their minds so that the skank sticks around long enough for another bj is funny shit though.

    Don’t hug or cuddle the skank because the fear is that us losers are so pathetic that we will even scare a skank off if we don’t try and ‘game’ the whore who is probably gaming your ass right back.

    Sad, sad, sad.

    rotfl

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  151. @Tim
    “Leaving after sex periodically sprinkled with the occasional cuddle heightens the mystery”
    I think this is a good one in a more regular thing, e cuddly but occasionally say oh got an early morning plane or meeting or whatever.

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  152. on July 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm The Specimen

    One of the commenters above has it right. If you are going to spend the night with her, then you need to blow her back out in the morning. Going for round 2 after a good night’s sleep shouldn’t be too hard if she’s really a dime and it wasn’t just the liquor.

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  153. @J,

    No, when faced with the decision, it’s better for the man to learn how to find the happy medium.

    What I meant was if he had to choose between the two. (hand/doormat). I choose hand. BTW, I also get your point, the female perspective. I just think Roissy is targeting a male audience. I do agree that the best scenario is a happily married couple where the husband has found the happy medium. But for the gazillions of single people that are increasingly eschewing marriage, the blog author provides an invaluable public service.

    But I do disagree with leaving after the first time you have sex if you’re going for long term.

    I will bear that in mind.

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  154. on July 16, 2010 at 7:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””J
    Gunslinger,

    ”””I think I’ve been posting about a month.”””””’

    It may take longer to make an impact. And we need to hear more.

    ””””””’I’m not sure I’ve ever posted specifically on alimony since I’m not comtemplating divorce, and this is my first and only marriage. I do not live in an alimony state, and I’m actually that alimony is such a big concern to people. I sort of thought it was over in most states.””””’

    It is not if ya check internet many states are still fucking guys up. Texas seemed to be the only one that had a cap on it. Then there are all kinds of states that people are saying this is the worse alimony state and not just MA. But yea I don’t think there is a state that has no alimony.

    ”””””””I did say to exsplat just yesterday that I could support myself in the event of death or divorce and that would be fine with me. OTOH, I’ve mentioned elsewhere, including to Lily in the last few days, that I’ve brought in enough assets, labor and efforts over the last 20 years to deserve my half of the community property.”””””’

    So you have internally been thinking about what you would get if divorced. See incongruency.

    ”””””More to my point is that when I’ve talked about favoring this in a marriage: “they just want to be a good teamate for there man and help to make sure their family is the shit and they know that for majority of men if they do that the guy is gonna be there for them in their moments of need to the best of his ability” or described my husband in this way, no one listens.
    ””””””

    Well they do but we may need more information. You said you talked with xsplat and lilly right. Are they not people? he he he
    If ya feel that way though cool but people don’t always respond to everything in fact most don’t respond but when ya see people internalize what you said you know you made a diference.

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  155. Sidewinder

    @ southern man,

    “My men always spend the night.” That would be game over for me. She starts talking about her casual sex rules and I’d be immediately moving on to younger, hotter, tighter. This is one case where I would definitely leave after sex, and probably never come back.

    Ya, my spider senses would be tingling. They speak to me lately through anger. SHE is trying to make ME jump through hoops? That woman has it backwards, is uppity, and needs to be put down back into her place. Or she is going to freak me out and I’m backing out of here slowly, palms facing her to appease her freaked out head.

    “My men always spend the night” would get a reflex action out of me. The exact opposite reflex action it would have had in younger years.

    “I’m not like other men”
    “I don’t want to spoil you”
    “Oh, you little slut. Na, I need to tame you first before i start handing out treats. You’re still too much of a stray to my rewards”
    “That’s so sweeeeeeet!”

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  156. on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzozlzlzlzlzzlozzl

    i remember one time i left during sex and ended up splooging on he doorman on the way out. sorry sir!! lzozlzzlozlzzlzlzl

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  157. What Helix said. No woman of any real value will go for Roissy’s alpha pretensions. She will want to see real accomplishments.

    [editor: you mean like serial killing?]

    And how do you get from “women use sex to keep their men satisfied” to “women will think they failed and try harder if you jump out of bed right after climax?”

    [it is the curse of their insubstantial gender.]

    I’ve found that many women are willing to move on after sex with other activities, like going to work, making breakfast, playing golf, or watching the rest of the football game.

    [do you date lesbians?]

    You may have missed this if you have all your sex at two o’clock in the morning.

    [it beats falling asleep at 9 to american idol.]

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  158. To elaborate on this:

    But I do disagree with leaving after the first time you have sex if you’re going for long term.

    Male or female, we get comfortable with predictable behavior.

    If a man leaves immediately post-sex without a convincing excuse, he’s indicating a lack of interest and forming boundaries for later excursions. When you’re with a partner who needs to chase and capture to validate themselves after a one-night engagement, that’s mostly fine, as Roissy indicated in his post.

    [editor: you don’t leave in a huff. you do it with some class. wait a bit, stroke her breasts for a minute, tell her how horny you get for her, then mention you should really get going.]

    Which is fine for, as I said, the ONS and the short-term, as the woman is more than likely not really worth maintaining (in my book, anyway).

    But for long-term, I’ve found setting a pattern of behavior, creating expectations based on those behaviors, and then altering one’s patterns, especially after that initial close when your partner starts thinking of you as something that could be *more*… really scatters their marbles. Swinging back and forth between close and distant creates the emotional rollercoaster one needs for that super intense bonding on her side. Reward good behavior with more closeness, punish bad behavior by taking away what she wants most- you time, attention, and desire.

    Stay+cuddle –> Stay+less cuddling –> Stay, sleep on the other side of the bed, alloow her to come to you –> Kick her out or eject –> Stay, sleep on other side of the bed, rebuff attempts at cuddling –> eject

    Scattered behavior, adjust accordingly.

    But that has just been in my experience being a recipient of such tactics. Worked beautifully, almost ended up being a trophy wife.

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  159. on July 16, 2010 at 8:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Tim
    What I meant was if he had to choose between the two. (hand/doormat). I choose hand. BTW, I also get your point, the female perspective. I just think Roissy is targeting a male audience. I do agree that the best scenario is a happily married couple where the husband has found the happy medium. But for the gazillions of single people that are increasingly eschewing marriage, the blog author provides an invaluable public service. ””””

    I think that is the point. Someone already in marriage when ya tell them the penalties for marriage. What the fuck can they do but either try to make it work or get fucked. But yea someone who isn’t married you can at least give them the information to make a real descision not just go into it blind. Maybe they can ask the right questions or not do it at all or move out of country. Or make the woman do all the shit they want like accumulate wealth before marriage so they don’t take such a hit and the woman at least proved herself capable of something.
    Work together with a woman you want to marry to create something first and will cover cost of child support and alimony. Then go ahead and do it since what will change if ya break up. You have mitigated the risk. The time of the womans pussy being enough compensation is over but any woman can help any man pretty much in a relationship achieve some results if the man guides the couple into the aquisition of some resources. After achieving something like that then the couple has proved itself and learned about each other and probably has each others back a little more. If ya don’t test the woman though or make her earn anything in relationship then yea gonna be a lot of unknown territory to explore later on. Things will more easily be able to change because she never had to actually work at it. Just have a vag will marry divorce will make loot if has kids. So yea work with your woman to create something before marriage. Like an income stream.

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  160. on July 16, 2010 at 8:25 pm Robert Seymour

    If you’re in a relationship and decline to cuddle, they sure get bitchy.

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  161. [editor: you don’t leave in a huff. you do it with some class. wait a bit, stroke her breasts for a minute, tell her how horny you get for her, then mention you should really get going.]

    Oh, I *completely* misread you. I thought your post was telling your readers to stomp their feet a few times and then fall to the floor kicking and screaming post-sex in order to have success with women.

    [editor: sounds right up your alley.]

    I get so confused sometimes.

    [i bet.

    do note in the post i said a man should leave after sex. i did not write he should bolt before the semen dries on her tits. and i also wrote that post coital cuddling should be avoided with girls who are significantly hotter than what the man normally gets. this will help ensure that his value remains at or above par with hers, otherwise the inherent value discrpeancy will quickly work to undermine his chance to extract long term sex out of her.
    capiche?]

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  162. then youre a pussy

    women filled with dread dont get “bitchy”

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  163. oh look, Roissy/GBFM is posting dr0nk .. how endearing.

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  164. on July 16, 2010 at 8:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””’val·ue (vly)
    n.
    1. An amount, as of goods, services, or money, considered to be a fair and suitable equivalent for something else; a fair price or return.
    2. Monetary or material worth: the fluctuating value of gold and silver.
    3. Worth in usefulness or importance to the possessor; utility or merit: the value of an education.
    4. A principle, standard, or quality considered worthwhile or desirable”””

    So tired of hearing the woman of value bullshit.
    Men have value woman have pussy and extract value from men in divorce. Although it makes sense the hate. Game reduces a womans value to men because when they understand pussy they then look for a woman who can provide actual value. Because when you can get pussy it does not have intrinsic value over other pussy you get. Now a magic pussy certainly is better but:

    Last I checked the woman who married rich guys and divorced them afterwards had a very very high value but that didn’t help the rich dude they divorced.
    50 percent marriages have always ended for the last 90 years and before that on the frontier it was higher.

    My wife has value because I helped her get to the point where she could support herself without my help and without working before I married her. She has value because when I stopped working she could help support me and still help me out and provide a house for me to stay in. That is value.
    Game might accidently create a man who actualy wants a woman of value and maybe even some substance.
    That is the fear.
    A man is supposed to have a lot of value to offer a woman for her pussy.
    Game is fucking up that paradigm. Woman might just get to be equal and be expected to not only provide pussy in the future but value. With me the future is here.

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  165. Nicole-

    “Shouldn’t there be some bringing it on before the sex though?”

    –now you’re just being silly. Of course. The sex and the mutual interest are assumed here folks. The smother-cuddle is never cool.

    J-

    “Why have sex with someone you don’t want intimacy with?”

    –Intimacy can be defined/practiced in many ways.

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  166. A couple of the commenters above suggested sleeping in another room or on the couch as alternatives to flat-out leaving. Thought that was fairly ridiculous.

    It is hard, probably even harder than keeping her legs closed, but Poetry does manage to make some wise comments sometimes

    [editor: it’s a funny thing, but the couch move has happened to me. tales form the couch: a couple of times with two different girls i’ve woken up in the morning to see the girl snoring on my couch. when pressed for a reason, they both said i was hitting them in the middle of the night with my demonically possessed legs.]

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  167. Sums it up nicely:

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  168. I get so confused sometimes.

    I love how girls never get confused AFTER sex. It is always BEFORE.

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  169. I agree with Doug1 that cuddling and after sex bonding is a matter of keeping hand, through holding out on affirmation.

    You don’t want to allow yourself to let your oxytocin levels rise and your testosterone levels fall if that lessens your needed hand.

    You have to keep a very sharp eye out on who loves who more. And from there, you can go to extremes – fill her up to her hearts sweet breaking point with tenderness, then alternate that with over the top displays of sexual authority.

    You can stay with the girl the first night. You can have her stay with you from the first night. As long as she is your slave, and you not hers.

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  170. Oops hope this works:

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  171. In my comment (now modded) at 9:41, I didn’t mean to credit Doug1 with the notion that leaving after sex and holding out affirmation is the valuable trick. Just that he said you can cuddle, as long as you have hand, and that the whole issue is about hand.

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  172. [editor: you mean like serial killing?]

    No, like finishing military basic training, managing a team of workers, completing a project, inventing something, solving a tough problem, or anything else that is not self-indulgent.

    [it is the curse of their insubstantial gender.]

    Whatever this means, it is not a scientific explanation of how men and women interact.

    [do you date lesbians?]

    I date women who like to fuck even when they aren’t drunk and looking at closing time.

    [it beats falling asleep at 9 to american idol.]

    Except when it doesn’t. Your method requires entirely too much work. You are not an alpha if getting laid takes so much effort.

    [editor: your hate is unoriginal. been said before and answered before. getting laid takes effort for most men except the most famous or extraordinarily good looking, whether that effort takes the form of game or of working hard and acquiring resources.]

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  173. [editor: it’s a funny thing, but the couch move has happened to me

    Note for english readers: the subject in the phrase is above is not the couch, but alcohol

    Well, if the couch “happened” to you, I have to say that the toilet “happened” to me. Once. I just left the girl in the bed, went there for vomiting, and there I laid.

    Which just remembered a tale from a friend. We drank before the party, and the guy vomited in the street, just before arriving. Since we couldn’t let him in the car, we brought him with us and left him in a sofa, sleeping, in the party. He smelled like vomit. What was our surprise to see him kissing a moderately atractive girl in that sofa a couple hours later.

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  174. Sums it up nicely:

    HTML 1×0 DJDamage

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  175. I’m getting really tired of the breed as much insecurity and fear in girls as possible shtick. It just feels so destructive. Why must so much of game follow the idea of “make her feel weak so then you can bring her back up again.” It’s really very savage.

    [editor: welcome to the jungle.]

    I suppose it’s good for me to keep reading this blog as kind of an affirmation that this is NOT what I want in a guy.

    [what you want and what you’ll fall for are never quite the same thing.]

    It may be exciting and fun, but at the end of the day what girl wants to be the one sitting alone in her bed, deserted, used by some gina tingler who thinks that a women’s best and perhaps only function is a place to stick his dick into.

    [who said anything about desertion? there’s always the next day.]

    It’s always a nice wake-up call to remember how many men merely think of women as some kind of “score”, as a goal to be obtained and maintained a story to tell later.

    [it’s always a nice wake-up call to remember how many women merely think of higher status men as some kind of prize to be won, as a goal to be obtained and locked in marriage for a resource generating mill.]

    It certainly takes the romance out of the idea of a “player”. Certainly it can still appeal to my hindbrain, but whenever I find myself eying some hot probably player from across the room I should just recall this post and others like it.

    Sure no girl wants a push-over, a guy that can’t relate to her really because he’s too busy trying to give her what she wants. But neither does a girl really want a guy that’s first goal is to bring her down soley so he can remake her in his own image. She wants a guy who will be at a level higher than her and then bring her up to it. He won’t make his level higher than her’s by making her doubt herself, but by leading by example, by nurturing her and helping her grow. Not in coldness but in a masculine love.

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  176. This thread seems to have stirred up a lot of female sourced comment. That is cool. I love to hear the sounds that women make, especially when they are trying to talk while trying to swallow… something. It is always kinda sweet.
    But with few exceptions, they cannot expect to be taken seriously on this topic because of the well known total disconnect between their words and actions.
    Any guy with some experience knows that primal, hind-brain attraction circuits must be kept twitching if the flow of pussy is to continue. So, we do what has to be done.
    I did not make this necessity, so don;t complain to me about it.

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  177. One answer to the eternal dilemma of avoiding the viscous trap of post coital infantilization-by-cuddles is to promptly fuck them again. Ideally with their face held hard on the pillow.

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  178. J:But I do disagree with leaving after the first time you have sex if you’re going for long term.

    Tim:I will bear that in mind.

    Ouch! What is the word for that, what you just did? It’s not irony, not understatment, not quite sarcasm. Undercasm?

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  179. Editor:”i’ve woken up in the morning to see the girl snoring on my couch.”

    –only chunkey monkeys snore.

    [editor: they were thin, i was employing some creative license. though one did snuffle a little in her sleep.]

    Xsplat/Doug-

    “I agree with Doug1 that cuddling and after sex bonding is a matter of keeping hand, through holding out on affirmation.

    You don’t want to allow yourself to let your oxytocin levels rise and your testosterone levels fall if that lessens your needed hand.”

    –yes. Exactly. If you’ve been dating for some time and are girlfriend/boyfriend, it’s different. If two people are just beginning, it plays different. Key word being play.

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  180. vasafaxa-

    I feel you. You’ll get numb to it after some time and take it in stride. There is much humor to it while much is over the top compared to real life. There are a ton of men out there who enjoy the company of women and don’t carry hate in their hearts. You’ll see. Hang in there cutie. 😉

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  181. Vasafaxa

    He won’t make his level higher than her’s by making her doubt herself, but by leading by example, by nurturing her and helping her grow. Not in coldness but in a masculine love.

    How do you feel about the notion of pragmatism, Vasafaxa? It seems that’s the root of your discontent. Pragmatism just isn’t good enough for the world you’d prefer to live in.

    Sometimes a woman needs a little attitude adjustment. Sometimes she doesn’t. You do what you gotta do, in the various ways you’ve got to do it.

    If the goal is intimacy and fun and great sex, you do what you got to do to get that.

    Why would men care if you personally approve of what works?

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  182. R. Stanton Scott wrote :

    No, like finishing military basic training, managing a team of workers, completing a project, inventing something, solving a tough problem, or anything else that is not self-indulgent.

    You actually think women are attracted to this? You just revealed you have no experience with women.

    People like R. Stanton Scott place women on pedestals in the hopes that women will like them, never learning why it doesn’t work.

    I bet he will never answer why women are so attracted so Serial Killers.

    His existence is necessary, though. We need men who financially support women while we PUAs have sex with them. I am glad that he has accepted that thankless role that keeps the PUA pleasure train funded.

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  183. Anook

    You should show more gratitude towards the heart-of-a-serial killer guys who comment here. Because you know we bring you closer to a coma inducing orgasm than a whole basement full of your usual snuggle buddlies can accomplish with hours of hugs and supplication…

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  184. You idiot fucks think all women are attracted to serial killers? Get outta here! You guys have to be shittin’.

    So, all of your father’s are a bunch of serial killers?

    Well, no fucking wonder you are all so pathetically fucked up.

    Fucking whores is so easy a caveman can do it.

    You idiots must be the ugliest, stupidest, loser fucks on the planet.

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  185. AG, why are women so attracted to serial killers?

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  186. Mk ULLtre
    Back door beauty?

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  187. Hey, babe, thanks for the piece o’ ass– gotta run, bye!

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  188. Hey Vasafaxa, why don’t you give us all your sentences that begin with “I think it’s sad that…”

    Begin your stages of grief, so that you can face reality.

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  189. Or , the alternative is to make the strategic decision to cuddle her , stroke her and make her feel all safe , warm and fuzzy with the aim of building comfort , getting her bonding hormones pumping and getting her attached to you.

    Then you continue running game on her and be prepared for the inevitable cascade of shit tests.

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  190. This works in marriage too. Since it’s your castle, you generally don’t head out the door nor do you kick your wife out (unless it’s to pick up some food or liquor), but there’s something to be said for knocking it out, relaxing for a few, and then going to do your own thing, even if your own thing is just reading a bit or playing fetch with your dogs. Reaffirms that you’re not just a little cuddlebug waiting to get cuckolded, you’re a man with his own life. The correct balance of power dictates that she’s part of your life, you’re not part of hers.

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  191. Mr. C

    Or , the alternative is to make the strategic decision to cuddle her , stroke her and make her feel all safe , warm and fuzzy with the aim of building comfort , getting her bonding hormones pumping and getting her attached to you.

    Then you continue running game on her and be prepared for the inevitable cascade of shit tests.

    That’s right. You let her initiate all cuddling, give less than she demands, but as overall she will demand more and more, you give enough romance so that your house glows with it. But that must be counterbalanced with authority and dominance, and steamed through and through with sex. You make it so that she is constantly thinking of you, and can’t stop. And keep it that way.

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  192. This is fucking rock-solid gold. I have made this mistake several times. As they say, it is field-tested, which is the whole point of scientific knowledge, as opposed to the academic hot air theories that others try to pass off as true human behavior insight.

    Nope. This is the truth right here. Every guy should read this blog, starting at age 10 or 11 I believe. Don’t believe the other bullshit, young bucks, believe Roissy.

    In my own life, I can think of several examples that are consistent with Roissy’s post.

    Vanessa, a cute, skinny Asian girl: I fucked her and then got all romantic. I let her sleep over, and the next morning I even walked her home, for god’s sake. Suffice to say, she never wanted to hook up again. The only reason I got her, I believe, is because she knew I had a girlfriend who was out of town. So that made her want me.

    Marisa, a sexy, soft and delicate, artistic red-head: The first time I fucked her, I told her to say all this dirty shit, and she complied. The second time I fucked her, I was nicer and more romantic. Never heard from her again. Similar situation, the long-distance gf thing helped me establish bad-boy credentials.

    Those are the only two examples I can think of right now, but I am sure there are more.

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  193. Rum-

    I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. My usual snuggle buddies, huh?

    Ulysses-

    You’re wife is soooo lucky. Although your last sentence is a bit harsh…gee wiz.

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  194. I have a dog named Winston. He is part English Border Collie and part Timber Wolf. Lots of people are afraid of him.
    The thing is, he is smarter than their children and could, at any rate, easily bite them in half.

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  195. Completely off topic, but so funny I had to share:

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  196. Anouk – Not harsh, just succinct. In every good relationship there will be a leader. Good marriage requires the man to take that leadership role. It’s not that she’s to wait around for me or my cues all day, just that I’m the leader of the household.

    Broken down into specifics, she asks my permission to go do things. I tell her I’m going to do something. For example, she recently got an offer to play in a golf scramble as part of her job, but the scramble meant she’d get home an hour or so later than normal. It was on a Friday and I work short days on Fridays and pick up our daughters regardless of her schedule, so the event didn’t change my life at all. Instead of verbalizing what I was thinking, which was “It matters not one whit to me,” I came back with playful responses. “I don’t know. I really think the girls like having a mom and a dad instead of two mommies.” “What? Are you saying if I do this you’ll find a new woman?” “That’s always a possibility, but I was more speaking to the possibility that you’ll meet a new lady on the golf course.”

    Everything stays in my orbit and everyone stays happy.

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  197. vasafaxa said:

    >It’s really very savage.

    Savagery is sexy. Sex turns you into a wild animal.

    >It may be exciting and fun

    It IS exciting and fun. You’ve admitted you want it.

    >It’s always a nice wake-up call to remember how many men merely think of women as some kind of “score”, as a goal to be obtained and maintained a story to tell later.

    I promise, if you want to ‘score’ me I will not tell. You have permission to take me home in strictest confidence. Just e-mail details to roissy.

    >whenever I find myself eying some hot probably player from across the room ..

    And you do that often?

    >I should just recall this post and others like it.

    Which will immediately make you hot’n’horny.

    >She wants a guy who will be at a level higher than her

    Sounds like I can definitely accomodate you.

    >Not in coldness but in a masculine love.

    ‘Cause you’re hot and you’re cold
    You’re yes and you’re no
    You’re in and you’re out
    You’re up and you’re down

    -‘Hot N’Cold’, Katy Perry

    Stop flip-flopping vasafaxa!

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  198. honestly, the bigger impact would be sex first, then cuddle, and cuddle, and cuddle, perhaps sex again, a little more cuddle, then part.

    do not call until she calls you.

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  199. She wants a guy who will be at a level higher than her and then bring her up to it. He won’t make his level higher than her’s by making her doubt herself, but by leading by example, by nurturing her and helping her grow. Not in coldness but in a masculine love.

    Vasafaxa,

    Not to sound too bitter, and not to go too much into my own personal life, but a big reason that I started opening my mind to writers like Roissy is because, much to my chagrin, frustration, and anger, my own eyes and my own experiences began to agree more with what he said than with what I wanted the world to be like.

    You see, I used to be a staunch feminist. In my mind, men were evil, and women were good. Men oppressed women, and women were victims. I know it sounds stupid and simplistic in retrospect, but it dovetailed nicely with my romantic, idealistic and subversive/anti-power structure view of the world. Men were the ruling class, and they kept women down. Women needed to be empowered, encouraged, idealized, and nurtured. The more power that was taken from men and given to women, the better our world would be. Because women were nurturers, and men were destroyers.

    That was my old philosophy. The way I applied it to my personal/romantic life was that I found myself a very beautiful, smart, and ambitious girl. I devoted myself to her. I put her needs first. I empowered her career. I did exactly what you said. I helped her in many, many ways. I was American, and she was European, with no friends or family, so I was her entire family.

    To be fair, she helped me tremendously as well, but I was more artistic, and she was more professional/corporate, so I saw my playing a #2 advisory role to her #1 doer role as overall team strategy. Very soon, she was making twice the salary I was making, and was very successful and satisfied professionally.

    I was proud. My little baby was all grown up.

    Guess what happened next. Any regular Roissy reader can tell you:

    She dumped me.

    I was not good enough for her anymore. I was not high-achieving enough for her. She wanted a man who was more of a “provider.” And so she went out looking for one.

    Of course the writing was on the wall for a while. The more successful she got, the worse our sex life. The less she admired me. The less she wanted to submit to me sexually.

    When we had first met years prior, we were both students, but I owned my own apartment in Manhattan, I was an American citizen, I was a brooding, rebellious artist, I didn’t give a shit about women, I was living in my own artistic/philosophical reality, and this drove her crazy with desire.

    She fell for me hard and agreed to many things during those heady, wild, early days of our relationship. Just like Roissy says, she let me cheat on her. She wanted me to. It turned her on. As a young European girl in a foreign country falling in love for the first time, she was vulnerable and afraid. She was innocent and alive. In a sense I exploited her innocence, but in a way I tried to protect her heart.

    She had rape fantasies. She had fantasies of serving me dinner when I came home from work, and sucking me off on her knees as I sat and ate her home-cooked meal. With her wearing high heels and an apron, of course. She was smart and highly educated and quite the feminist, but her sexual fantasies revolved entirely around sexual submission on her part, and sexual domination on my part. We did some crazy shit together, and like this post says, she was clearly doing what I pressured her to do just to keep me from abandoning her. She enjoyed submitting herself sexually to a powerful man. I remember she even said that she liked to suck my dick, because it “soothed her.”

    I fell in love with her warm heart, her intense beauty, her innocence and our mind-blowing sex. She was my dream girl in every sense of the word.

    The high was short-lived. Over time, the more I devoted myself to her — instead of to my art, my philosophy, and my vision — the less sexual she became. And the more entitled. She shit-tested me to death and I failed every one. She gained weight. She nagged. She blamed me for everything. She began to look down on me.

    And, of course, she cheated on me.

    In many ways, she was my creation. And once she gained enough power and status, she turned against me, her creator.

    This painful personal experience, along with many other similar experiences I have read about, combined with the game/evolutionary psychology theories I have learned, lead me to believe that it is never in the best interest of a man to empower a woman too much. Even as your partner, lover, and best friend, she will always be in some ways your enemy. If you give her too many weapons, she will *not* use them to work together with you to take on the world, she will use them *against* you to find someone better. Someone more alpha, in other words.

    Once her value is higher than yours, forget it. It is just in her evolutionary programming kicking in, sabotaging the relationship, whether she consciously wants to or not.

    So my conclusion is: the man must always have the upper hand in the relationship, otherwise it is doomed.

    A famous writer once said that men and women will always have an “uneasy alliance.” That is exactly right. I hope you find your Prince Charming. I hope you keep him sexually satisfied. And I hope you never betray each other.

    Just know your place, and everything will work out fine.

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  200. The correct balance of power dictates that she’s part of your life, you’re not part of hers.

    Ulysses, this is brilliant. Captures all the wisdom in one sentence.

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  201. #

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    on July 17, 2010 at 12:38 am Rivelino

    The correct balance of power dictates that she’s part of your life, you’re not part of hers.

    Ulysses, this is brilliant. Captures all the wisdom in one sentence.

    Yes, it is. And if you want to amp up the amperage and volt up the voltage, then she is your slave, you are not hers.

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  202. pu pu
    Diaper-tech.
    Brown thoughts.
    Shit for brains.
    I call another girl when it seems right.

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  203. when pressed for a reason, they both said i was hitting them in the middle of the night with my demonically possessed legs.

    Ha. This reminds me of what I consider to be my finest moment of subconscious game. It was in college, I was drunk and fell asleep shortly post-coitus. This is how she recounted it the next morning:

    “I have a story that you’ll love from last night. You were asleep and I felt you roll over towards me. Then your hand reached out and rested on my shoulder and I was like, ‘awww, he’s cuddling with me.’ So I rolled over to cuddle back, and you took your hand off my shoulder and shoved my face away. You literally gave me a palm to the face in your sleep.”

    We had a good laugh about it.

    I never said this to her, but I considered myself better than her. No girl has loved me more deeply. Now that I’m equipped with an understanding of female hypergamy, I see the cause and effect.

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  204. Helix said>

    >You’re acting like her father did and she only wants him to pay attention to her, to love her.

    Huh? Since when did anyone here claim to be a psychotherapist? What am I…Sigmund Freud?

    >These tactics don’t work on quality girls

    I think they would certainly work on you.

    >The kind of woman who is below average intelligence, who reads Cosmo, gets her nails done in cheap salons, and has ratty hair extensions.

    I’m confused. I thought all women fitted that description.

    >You don’t have what it takes to seduce and keep a quality girl, the kind most men would consider marriage material.

    *sigh* Linda, Laura, Amy and vasafaxa are on my roster so I’ve got a busy schedule. But I *might* be prepared to give you a look-in if you get in quick.

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  205. See, it pays off to read all the comments, starting at the bottom but going all the way to the top:

    This is what McArdle and her ilk don’t get – there are no value judgements here, no indication that men’s mate selection criteria are “better” or “right” while women’s are wrong. But Roissy does try to “demoralize” the current status quo, whereby women call men’s selection mechanisms “shallow” but women’s selection mechanisms are either denied or ennobled. This appears to feminists to be misogynist value judgement simply because they are used to special dispensation, just like conservative Christians think of themselves as victims if you criticize their baseless beliefs – not because they are being treated worse than other beliefs, but because they are used to special kid gloves treatment.

    Very well said, Rocko. No value judgments. It just is what it is.

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  206. Personally, I find it extremely hard to cuddle after sex, whether it be a one-night stand or an LTR. Right after I’m done with her, I start thinking about all the important shit I need to get done the next day, what kind of snacks I want to munch on in the next 2 minutes or so, and her presence annoys me more than anything. Depending on the weather outside, I usually either roll over and sleep or hop in the shower and leave.

    I really can’t fathom how dudes can want to cuddle after blowing a load unless they’re faking it.

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  207. R. says, “I’ve found that many women are willing to move on after sex with other activities, like going to work, making breakfast, playing golf, or watching the rest of the football game.”

    If it’s doing something with you, or you’ve truly maxed out her or your rec time, that’s one thing. If she’s pulling the strategic escape to do more than freshen up, it’s something else entirely.

    Editor replies, “do you date lesbians?”

    Probably bitches like I apparently was until yesterday.

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  208. i don’t see why this translates into leaving directly after sex. what if you cuddle, take her to breakfast, but then don’t call for the next two weeks? is that much different from leaving immediately? in either case you don’t show yourself as having been captured by her. seems that you should be able to do what you want to do as long as you don’t give her the impression that the sex left you longing for her afterward.

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  209. How about when you bang her at your place? What’s the protocol?

    Typically the girl will get the hint and leave, or sometimes will foolishly ask: “Can/should I stay?”

    Me: “I’ve got to get up quite early…”

    Is there a better way?

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  210. I don’t think I’ve ever had an evening date with an unmarried woman who didn’t spend the night. Well, not one that wasn’t a fuck buddy or casual pick up fuck, anyway. An actual date that includes the fun of fresh romance always included fresh romance, where the best part of the evening is the next morning.

    I love instant love. It’s so easy. Easy peasy. There is really no need to resist. As long as you keep the balance in your favor.

    But then again I tend to only date girls who I have chemistry with. And with chemistry, there is no chance you’ll be satisfied with an appetizer.

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  211. AG: there is, after all, “something about a soldier.” Men develop a certain special kind of self-confidence by leading other men, and this translates to more-or-less automatic success with women.

    The entire “game” philosophy is built around pretending to be the man who does these sorts of things. So even Roissy sycophants like you must on some level believe that women find accomplishment attractive. Accomplish real things, be a real leader, show this in your bearing, and the ginas tingle as you walk by.

    [editor: women aren’t viscerally attracted to “real accomplishments”, like money or academic credentials or the actual dead bodies left behind by serial killers. they are attracted to the attitudes and demeanors of those men who have real accomplishments or standing among men or general confidence irrespective of accomplishments. that is what they are wired to respond to, and game gives them that. just like men are wried to respond to a 0.7 whr and youth and clear skin, women will respond to negs and teasing and alpha body language. it’s not something they can control, because it happens on the subconscious level.]

    I’ve never had to work hard to get laid in my life. If you do, you might be doing something wrong.

    [yes, i’ve heard gay men practically fall into sex.]

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  212. on July 17, 2010 at 6:36 am Another Alpha

    Wrong. It’s Pavlov’s Dogs 101, mate. You treat a bitch well *after* giving her the bone. Soon enough she becomes conditioned to having to do a few tricks in order to impress you enough to get a biscuit.

    AA

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  213. like the “three date rule”, this is another one of those rules that can go entirely out the window, if (and only if) you have reframed the whole buildup as a slow seduction in which you are entirely in control.

    gedanken experiment:
    imagine that you have paced the entire physical process of seduction, up to this point.
    after building up a base frame of dominance and desirability, which can be done in a very short time, you’ve made the girl wait — longer than she’s used to waiting — while you’ve been offering tantalizing physical and psychological carrots just beyond her reach, making her chase, and chase, and chase.

    moreover, you’ve reframed each and every one of her power plays as a pathetically amateur attempt to please you — up to and including purely physical power plays. (e.g., she shows up wearing a carefully calculated, impressively revealing outfit, but your reaction is an impassive “so i see you’re trying to impress me.”)

    at this point, you absolutely can and should reward the girl with at least some post-coital physical intimacy, and you’d be missing out by not doing so.

    you should still maintain the dominant physical frame, though.
    for instance, press the girl’s face into your shoulder (if you’ve been sweating) or into your armpit (if you haven’t been sweating so much), and have her inhale your scent. do not underestimate the addictive effect of scent — pheromones — on women, especially if they’re in the postcoital “imprinting” period. if you do this correctly, she’ll think of sex to an irresistible degree just by smelling you again, and you can then play on that to cement your advantage even further.

    however, if you’ve been following a more traditional seduction routine of “passing her shit tests” — i.e., rather than giving the shit tests yourself — then, yeah, don’t be intimate after sex.

    this is actually all covered under the rule-of-thumb that you should be 3/5 as beta as you are alpha.

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  214. True alphas don’t follow in a pack, praising the mighty master of pussy. Those of you soaking up these “lessons” by someone who probably looks like George Costanza and gets laid only when his cousin is in town may as well be chicks.

    You wan to be alpha? Stop sucking this guy’s dick.

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  215. How can I stop the hiccups?

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  216. J.M.

    do not underestimate the addictive effect of scent — pheromones —

    Which pheromones do you refer to? The being in love/lust pheromones? Or do you mean the scent of testosterone?

    So, YOU have paced the entire physcial seduction, up to that point. Did she show up for that? No input at all? Maybe she is an Atari, and you’ve mastered all levels of game play.

    Uh huh.

    That’s great.

    What is the level aiming for, again? And why?

    Oh, don’t forget to assaninate my character within your answer, if you want to keep earning J.M points.

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  217. Roissy is right. Real accomplishments are fine, but it the attitude and demeanor of a confident man that I ultimately find attractive.

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  218. Lethario

    look at me, look at me, stop looking at him.

    Ya, now that you point it out, your’re right. Can you please be my friend?

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  219. R. Stanton Scott,
    I have heard that sentiment expressed by other soldiers, that they were much more confident when they came back to civilian life because being a soldier had taught them they could handle things. I’m sure this confidence translated into success with women. It sounds like you and Roissy are on the same page about this.

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  220. Besides Roissy himself is obviously a leader, whether you are interested in game or not.

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  221. J5,

    Amen on this:

    for instance, press the girl’s face into your shoulder (if you’ve been sweating) or into your armpit (if you haven’t been sweating so much), and have her inhale your scent. do not underestimate the addictive effect of scent — pheromones — on women, especially if they’re in the postcoital “imprinting” period. if you do this correctly, she’ll think of sex to an irresistible degree just by smelling you again, and you can then play on that to cement your advantage even further.

    This is precisely 100% in accord with my experience, including the variation depending on how much you’ve been sweating. It is completely addictive for females. If you do this regularly, then after you have been outdoors sweating come in and hug them, they melt immediately (which means you only hug them if you are prepared to immediately drag them upstairs, important to maintain the association).

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  222. Laura

    Besides Roissy himself is obviously a leader, whether you are interested in game or not.

    I have a friend, well, a clone, actually. We’ve spent times in our life in various social positions. Some of them rather embarrassing. I’ve been admonished not to mention embarrassing personal emotions on this blog.

    Anyhoo, both of us had periods where we just had not enough motivation to go to the doctor to have some excrament scooped out of our colon in order to make nice social discource.

    Or even to spell check.

    i’m not sure if that makes a leader, or not.

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  223. hahahahahahah!!!

    The girlies are really lobbying for their after sex cuddles.

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  224. R Stanton Scott,
    You do make some good points, but Roissy is right that game works. I think men that are good at other things in life also tend to be confident with women, which is why you are observing successful men do well with women. However, just being good at something is probably not going to make you as attractive to a woman as someone who knows how to talk to them. You said something about how no woman of value would go for it. I disagree I think depending on the circumstances and the guy and how good his game is most women will go for it.
    A charming rascal is more attractive to me than some serious project manager, not that they can’t sometimes be the same person.

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  225. j5–

    have her inhale your scent. do not underestimate the addictive effect of scent — pheromones — on women, especially if they’re in the postcoital “imprinting” period. if you do this correctly, she’ll think of sex to an irresistible degree just by smelling you again, and you can then play on that to cement your advantage even further.

    True dat.

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  226. Yes, Doug, they are lobbying. While I love the freedom of female choice, I abhore female entitelment.

    (I’m some amount of beers wasted, so no spelling)

    I love female free choice. It’s just that women have emotionally driven agendas that are difficult to harness to my own. But if they all were harnessed to God and Societies agendas, I’d have to be even more of a sneaky fucker than I am now, which would be even more dangerous.

    Anyhoo, we men are at a time and a place where our social responsibility, that is, where our concern meets a pragmatic strategy, is to confront the concerns of women.

    Otherwise, bless em with our lovely large dicks.

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  227. Spelling fix “where our concern meet our -hic- pragmatic strategy.

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  228. There is much, much, much to be learned from this true story from Revelino:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/why-you-should-leave-after-sex/#comment-187877

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  229. Doug1, true what?

    Pheromones are not fakes. What, exact, pheromones are you alluding to?

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  230. Rivelino

    The correct balance of power dictates that she’s part of your life, you’re not part of hers.

    Ulysses, this is brilliant. Captures all the wisdom in one sentence.

    Just so.

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  231. xsplat–

    That having a girl inhale you scent after sex will tend to make her bond to you like crazy. The more dominant and controlling of her, the more D/s, the sex, the more the scent bonding.

    In my experience.

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  232. Ya, thats the general principe, D1.

    But which smell do you allude to? T, or O? Testosterone, or oxytocin?

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  233. walawala

    How about when you bang her at your place? What’s the protocol?

    I like it, really rather love it, when girls really want to snuggle and cuddle after sex.

    There shouldn’t be a protocol. There should be feeling her. Keeping hand. Making her chase. Giving her, at the beginning, and from time to time, a little less than she wants.

    And never ever initiate after sex cuddling yourself. Let her. Well never ever in the beginning anyway. It’s not my nature to initiate it anyway, including in a LTR. I mean except when she’s really upset and needs a hug or many of them, but that’s diff.

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  234. xsplat–

    I believe it’s pheromones, but I wouldn’t really know.

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  235. I wouln’t know either, except that I do. It’s about love. T is another scent.

    Pheromones are about love.

    If you don’t love her, you don’t.

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  236. anoukange–

    You’re wife is soooo lucky. Although your last sentence is a bit harsh…gee wiz.

    Read that last sentence, which I approving quoted above, as the basic principle, not the full story.

    Of course her work and interests should matter to her husband.

    However I always instinctively rebelled against feminist teachings that the husband should be just as willing to move for the wife’s career as the reverse, and so on. I basically hated the whole world view that represented. First of all I wanted my own career to clearly be what rationally should be maximized first, easily highest earner, status etc. And so on from there.

    I detest feminism.

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  237. Xsplat:

    “Anyhoo..”

    Now THAT’s alpha, folks.

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  238. *approvingly

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  239. Doug “I detest feminism”

    Xsplat “Yes. Not because I detest a female to have individuality, but simply because she does deserve it”.

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  240. Here’s a question: What if you pull the ultimate and seduce two girls at once? Is it even more important to leave right after the sex?

    I suppose so, but I was in that situation a couple weeks ago and did the snuggling thing afterwards. Sorry, but it felt too good to be snuggling with 2 cute naked chicks to just get up and walk away.

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  241. The girl name “Amanda” has inspired more than one good song, it turns out. Most of us know the excellent Boston song by that name form the mid-1980s.

    There is another “Amanda” song, and a very good one, by Waylon Jennings.

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  242. re: cuddling

    my husbands “cuddles” only in two ways, he is upright and facing forward and i am nestled under his arm looking up at him or he is laying on his back looking up and smoking and i am again under his arm on his chest, below head level both times

    he never lies on me or looks up at me or comes to me–he will give me all the cuddles i want if i come to HIM for them–and all hugs end with a smack on the ass

    i don’t think a man can lose hand with these methods–even from the outset

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  243. dana,

    that is really lovely.

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  244. Lily–

    But for many other women they have thought about having sex far more than the man has (i.e. he probably decided within 5 mins of meeting her the first time he wanted sex with her), it could be days it could be weeks or months, but it’s considerably more than the man. She’s more emotionally vested and the first time is a deal (I’m not saying big deal as it could be for a virgin but it’s still a deal) and she may feel vulnerable.

    So I do think it’s callous. I think it would be callous for a woman to do it to a guy and he is likely to be much less vested in it as I described above.

    This is why I say what guys really need to do is not apply some mechanical rules, but feel the woman. It’s about hand and also about bonding and affection and love.

    In such a case as yours I’d love letting her/you cuddle for a good, good long time, and return it affectionately, lovingly.

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  245. The days of the PUA are numbered. With the inevitable economic collapse and possible civil/race war in this country, peacocking douches will not have the survival skills necessary to secure the lives of themselves and their women.

    It goes without saying that men like R. Stanton will be selected for in this type of environment.

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  246. I think many of you are missing my point.

    I do not argue that women find accomplishments attractive and sexy. I am pointing out that men with real accomplishments, and real confidence in themselves attract women without learning the scripted techniques Roissy and others teach. Men who have done things carry themselves like alpha males, without having to think about it. Mimicking the behavior, attitudes, bearing and body language of people with real accomplishments will “work” in the sense that some women will fall for the trick and join you in bed.

    But you have not made yourself an alpha male by bedding a series of gullible women. So we’re not talking about moving beta men into alpha status using these techniques. We’re talking about beta men using scripted techniques to act like alphas in short little plays designed to confuse women.

    Whether or not the subconscious or biology generates the responses that make Game “work” doesn’t really make any difference. Women who respond to PUAs are not responding to actual alpha traits or actual alpha men. The response, even if it leads to sex, is based on a lie.

    All of this of course depends on definitions of alpha, beta, masculine, subconscious, etc, so gray areas and margins muddle the discussion a great deal. But there is one sure way to spot a true beta male:

    When he encounters a real alpha, he calls him gay.

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  247. Ouch, this is why I don’t like casual sex. If a man left immediately after sex or worse yet, kicked me out, I don’t think I’d have it in me to keep seeing him. I’d be too hurt. It would only breed insecurity in me, certainly not stronger affection.

    It’s a whole different story if I’m already in love and know (or at least trust) he’ll come back soon. But that takes serious bonding first. To do this to a pump-and-dump or fling seems unnecessarily cruel. Why create more clingy, insecure women so other men have to clean up your mess?

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  248. on July 17, 2010 at 1:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    Come on laying down on some perfect tits is what I think my wifes tits developed for my personnal use.
    So yea sometimes I snatch her body over and lay on the tit. Comfortable. Better than a pillow like it was made for my head to relax. he he he

    I treat her body like it is my body to use as I see fit. But yea.

    I also sometimes enjoy tossing her in the air like a rag doll while she laughs.

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  249. PA,
    Beautiful song. Thanks for sharing.
    dana,
    If a man does cuddle that sounds like the right way to do it.
    Helix,
    There is nothing in Roissy’s character that tells me he wouldn’t be able to survive just fine if there was an economic collapse.

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  250. on July 17, 2010 at 1:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””Helix
    The days of the PUA are numbered. With the inevitable economic collapse and possible civil/race war in this country, peacocking douches will not have the survival skills necessary to secure the lives of themselves and their women.

    It goes without saying that men like R. Stanton will be selected for in this type of environment.

    ””””’
    Well if that happened yea getting woman will be easy ya just take em back to your cave and rape them. No game no status needed. Just be stronger than a woman and most men are capable of that. Or yea woman flocking to men because all the sudden they will realize men and woman not equal when the metal meets the meat.

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  251. laura

    works for me! 🙂

    as for roissy’s surviving–must urbane males (and i don’t know roissy so this isn’t specific) have zero survival skills

    they tend to fear guns, not hunt and camp with $$$$ worth of comfort equipment. can a roissy gut a deer? can you? does he know how to purify water without tablets? would he kill a marauding male without cavil on sight?

    rednecks will have harems of 120 in Poxaclypse

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  252. Rivelino. I’m sorry for your relationship troubles, but when I say that I want a guy that can look out for me and love me I don’t mean I want a guy who will worship me and devote all his time to me at the expense of other pursuits. You should never compromise yourself for a girl.

    I’m a busy girl, I have other interests besides men and although to some degree I beleive in needing a guy, I don’t beleive in being needy. I abhor girls that spend all their time talking about how to rope in the highest status male into some relationship where they end up nagging him all the times. It really bothers me on a deep level when I see girls using guys as accessories, or using them because the simply happen to be around.

    There is no need for a guy to articulate his love every second of every day, do come home from work plop onto the couch and snuggle himself into the crook of his wife.

    That said I think it is a sad woman who isn’t able to offer comfort to her man in the rare time when he needs emotional support and comfort, to take care of him.

    Like everything in the world it’s an issue of moderation.

    Sometimes after sex I’d imagine you shouldn’t cuddle. There needs to be variety and more importantly, you shouldn’t be constantly giving affection or else it loses it’s meaning. That said the first time having sex with someone it’s a different story.

    For the right kind of girl sex represents a significant change in the relationship and if you’re game so far has been tight and you have an alpha frame I’d imagine that she needs to be reassured that while you’re committed to maintaining a strong sense of self separate from her you aren’t planning of leaving her high and dry in pump and dump style, and that you do care about her.

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  253. The days of the PUA are numbered. With the inevitable economic collapse and possible civil/race war in this country, peacocking douches will not have the survival skills necessary to secure the lives of themselves and their women.

    A man’s attractiveness to women is a timeless quality, applicable in peace as in war. There are accounts and testimonials from the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, for example, wherein between manning barricades, eluding mercenery death squads, and smuggling arms and messages through sewers, women are attracted to clearly alpha men, and indifferent to betaish suitors.

    Andrzej Wajda’s 1945 film “Kanal” for example, which is a fictionalized account of these events, includes a love/alpha/beta subplot that may as well have come straight from this blog.

    As far as extreme peacocking like eyeliner and featehr boas, its goofier extremes have become cliches surrounding the PUA culture, but they are marginal to the culture.

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  254. Herlix, besides, to go with your apocalyptic race/civil war terms, a huge strategy of our globalist overlords is a divide-and-conquer strategy of decoupling men from their women, via feminism and access to hypergamous hedonism. Thus Game is part of the resistance, in keeping our women with us.

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  255. Gunslingergregi:

    No, genius, the alphas will destroy the loser, characterless betas such as yourself who attempt to capitalize sexually on a dire situation such as the one I outlined above.

    Real men save women in distress. Sick beta fucks such as yourself would drag them into caves and rape them.

    This is mental masturbation on your par, though. You wouldn’t even do it.

    Peacocking skills such as choosing the right hat, correct number of rings to wear, and hairstyling aren’t going to help you survive when shit hits the fan. I’m referring to Roissy here in particular. Refer to his fashion tips post to get a better idea of his priorities.

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  256. women aren’t viscerally attracted to “real accomplishments”, like money or academic credentials or the actual dead bodies left behind by serial killers.

    Women are attracted to real accomplishments in the sense that they are attracted to men who achieve high social status or fame, regardless of how alpha or beta the men who have them act.

    [editor: women will use their beauty to acquire wealth through men but that doesn’t mean they are sexually attracted to the wealth itself. the sexual attraction is for the attitude and psychosocial dominance of the alpha male, wealthy or not. many wealthy men are alpha, because there is overlap between the alpha traits that women find irresistible and the consequences of possessing those traits — such as wealth, fame and high social status. but that doesn’t mean women want to fuck the wealth or fame. they want to fuck the man who either has the wealth or fame or social status, or acts like a man who is capable of having wealth or fame or social status. you’re losing sight of what it is women actually and viscerally get the tingle for.]

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  257. PA:

    Seems that you and Gunslingergregi have a vastly differing view of how Game plays into a worst-case apocalyptic war scenario.

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  258. Vasafaxa–

    I abhor girls that spend all their time talking about how to rope in the highest status male into some relationship where they end up nagging him all the times.

    I don’t put up with nagging. Call that shiite right out. Then a stern look generally does it. If not, I just walk right away.

    I’m not talking about my present living with gf. She about never nags me.

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  259. vasafaxa,

    I told my story not to elicit pity, but to illustrate a point. Perhaps I focused too much on the narrative, and not on the greater lesson and underlying theory, so let me be more clear:

    A woman cannot be the leader of the relationship. She must be the follower. She is not comfortable in the leadership/ power role. It will lead to much disharmony in the relationship.

    The man needs to be the one with more power and value in the relationship for there to be sexual and spiritual (physical and emotional) harmony. It is a law of nature, of the masculine and the feminine polarity.

    The nature of female polarity is that it is attracted to a powerful, alpha masculine polarity. Female polarity needs to submit to masculine polarity. Feminine energy feels alive (delicate, fragile, light and beautiful) when in close proximity to dominant masculine energy (aggressive, powerful, protective, in control).

    If a woman finds herself in the alpha role in the relationship, she will begin looking outside the relationship for a greater alpha male to relieve her of this duty.

    Now this sounds harsh, and it makes women sound like children, but it is a theory that I fundamentally believe in now.

    Furthermore, this theory explains why women shit test men so much. They can’t help it. It is in their nature to constantly test their mate. Is he still more powerful than me? Is he still an alpha leader I can believe in? She can’t help herself. And she will sabotage the relationship if she finds herself in the leadership role.

    You seem like a smart and insightful person, so I will recommend a fantastically brilliant book to you which explains this in more detail. I am going to quote from it in the near future.

    The Way of The Superior Male, by David Deida

    A supplementary point that you will notice is that this assumes that all women have the same fundamental nature. Again, this concept is abhorrent to most feminists, and to most people. We have all been taught to believe each of us is a unique individual.

    But all you need to do is read Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and realize that all men have the same fundamental nature, and so do all women.

    It is a sobering and fascinating realization.

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  260. on July 17, 2010 at 2:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””on July 17, 2010 at 1:31 pm Helix
    Gunslingergregi:

    No, genius, the alphas will destroy the loser, characterless betas such as yourself who attempt to capitalize sexually on a dire situation such as the one I outlined above.
    ”””

    lol what I have found in my life is that I am the strong and alomost everyone else is the weak (till I found a woman like me). Yea I would be one of the ones woman would flock to
    he he he

    but I am trying. I am really trying to be the shepherd because it doesn’t really hurt me when bad things happen to me because if they are too bad I will go out hard but it hurts me to see bad things happen to the weak because they have no ability to defend themselves they must be looked after by shepherds.

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  261. Revelino–

    I agree with you.

    And btw, I read your story above as an instructive parable, just as you intended. If Vasafaxa didn’t, her loss.

    I’ve got a caveat though. Especially with all this post feminist programming girls get at home, in schools and in the entertainment media (and from girlfriends as a result of all this) many girls do seek to settle down now so much with an alpha/beta close to perfect blend, which isn’t so easy to find, or a beta/somewhat alphaish compromise, but a guy that’s really compatible, smart and easy to get along with. Heavy on the friend kind of thing. Herby kind of guy often. (btw I’ve always suspected that girls who are at all hot and in these kinds of relationships mostly get off from their herb’s endless licking them out.)

    However a girl that’s chosen this kind of relationship is really, really likely to cheat in our current post feminist female entitled up the ying yang (and divorce theft 2.0 backing her up if discovered) atmosphere. Cheat w/an alpha of course. And maybe stay married if she keeps this hidden or he’s a real wuzzz, doing this with a succession of guys.

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  262. on July 17, 2010 at 2:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well if that happened yea getting woman will be easy ya just take em back to your cave and rape them. No game no status needed. Just be stronger than a woman and most men are capable of that.

    orrrrrrrrrr

    Or yea woman flocking to men because all the sudden they will realize men and woman not equal when the metal meets the meat.

    Read for comprehension ya dumbass bitch.

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  263. Roissy is right once again. I am not attracted to rich men because they are rich necessarily, but because if they earned their own money rather than inherited it they must have other desirable qualities. I like Bob Dylan because he can compose a song, the fact that he is a millionaire is an after thought.

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  264. PA: So fictional accounts of wartime misery prove your point?

    Raise your standard for evidence, boy!

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  265. on July 17, 2010 at 3:13 pm namae nanka

    “The nature of female polarity is that it is attracted to a powerful, alpha masculine polarity. Female polarity needs to submit to masculine polarity. ”

    but it tends to overcome it and hence the shit tests and hence noble, yet wicked thoughts such as these:

    “She wants a guy who will be at a level higher than her and then bring her up to it. He won’t make his level higher than her’s by making her doubt herself, but by leading by example, by nurturing her and helping her grow. Not in coldness but in a masculine love.”

    the connection in a relationship depends on the amount of femininity in the man, but basis of it is the difference in masculinity between the man and the woman.

    anyway fuck this mental masturbation:

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  266. Doug1-

    Great point. You are right. The book Marry Him by Lori Gottleib tells this story. It is another book I highly recommend, because it captures the current mindset of so many women.

    “Gottlieb, 37, made the decision to become a single parent after years of searching for Mr. Right. Four years later, when she still hadn’t found him, she decided to take a good look at her dating habits—and the dating habits of women around her—to see if the problem is not a dearth of good men but rather women’s expectations of them.”

    That is, after years of screwing all the hot alpha guys and finding that they didn’t want to settle down with her.

    After riding the cock carousel in her 20s and early 30s, she realized that she was never going to get an alpha to marry her, and decides to look for a herb.

    I agree with you, many girls start looking for herbs at an earlier age. I personally know a few guys my age who have become herbs. I myself was a herb for a while.

    Herbs are great for girls in a way, because they are getting what they want: emotional and financial support and contribution. But what the herb is not getting is what he desperately does want: hot, kinky sex.

    Because no girl is going to have hot, kinky sex with a herb or beta. No way. The female polarity only submits to the male polarity.

    I don’t think married women cheat that much, as much as is stated here in this blog. They just get fat and conveniently forget about sex, and devote their energies to their children. The herb husband is the one stuck holding the bag. Working for the family. Helping out in raising the kids. Stuck in a single-family prison. No hot sex in sight.

    Damn it all.

    Why do you think Roissy has so many readers, and hundreds of comments for each post he writes. He has struck a nerve with male readers. We are sick and tired of the bullshit.

    http://www.amazon.com/Marry-Him-Case-Settling-Enough/dp/0525951512

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  267. on July 17, 2010 at 3:23 pm namae nanka

    R. Stanton Scott

    “I do not argue that women find accomplishments attractive and sexy. I am pointing out that men with real accomplishments, and real confidence in themselves attract women without learning the scripted techniques Roissy and others teach. Men who have done things carry themselves like alpha males, without having to think about it.”

    Attraction is fine but keeping them in another thing.

    Alphas of men might seem to be default alphas when it comes to women, but many times they are not. Especially not in times when the BS of feminism and the media poison has been trying to betaize from the start.

    “But you have not made yourself an alpha male by bedding a series of gullible women. So we’re not talking about moving beta men into alpha status using these techniques. We’re talking about beta men using scripted techniques to act like alphas in short little plays designed to confuse women.”

    And the scripted techniques when played many times over, become a part of the subconscious, just like you don’t need to think when you brush your teeth. The inner frame is as important, it’s impossible to fake it congruently otherwise.

    “Whether or not the subconscious or biology generates the responses that make Game “work” doesn’t really make any difference.”

    ??

    ” Women who respond to PUAs are not responding to actual alpha traits or actual alpha men. The response, even if it leads to sex, is based on a lie. “”

    biology is lie and game is lie?
    well yeah, women are seduced by charming lies, why should you blame them?

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  268. on July 17, 2010 at 3:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea this blog helped a guy who was thinking his only alternative to not getting pussy was to go and rape woman to get it. He went and used some game and got pussy. So yea you saying guys can get confidense through certain jobs and such yea sure. You don’t have a hard time getting woman. Great for you. But if game can help a desperate man then it can help a normal guy too. It is the idea expression that helps. Then also you learn about how to protect yourself from the pussy as well. Which under the current law regime against men in the west and getting worse every day is the most important part when it comes to a young man protecting himself from becoming a wallet that is forced to pay taxes and child support and alimony and have nothing left basically for himself not even the tax credits for the children.

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  269. on July 17, 2010 at 3:50 pm Sally Cinnamon

    These women crush all the life out of men with their obsessive desire to be in control. They can’t control the alphas, so they hate them. Yet they are without any awareness of why they also despise the weak men that are around them. So instead of being miserable on their own, they want to deny the rest of us the pleasure of interacting with confident, charming, cocky and funny men.
    The sex they are having must be woeful.

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  270. on July 17, 2010 at 4:00 pm Sally Cinnamon

    Wrong thread.

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  271. Some of you are just thinking about this wayyyy too much. It’s very simple. Get laid, go home, or kick her out, depending where you are. You should be bringing the girl to your place anyways. Now she chases after you, you’re not gonna let some woman tie you down are you? You’re now a challenge for her. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! That’s it, there’s not even a need for these lengthy replies.

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  272. I’m not convinced on the serial killer thing.

    When they are attracting women, it’s when they are safely behind bars.

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  273. on July 17, 2010 at 6:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’Since marriage is the family’s fertile seed, government at all levels, along with “mainstream” academics and media, have waged war on it. They legislate, regulate, and exhort in support not of “the family” — meaning married parents raising children — but rather of “families,” meaning mostly households based on something other than marriage. The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not. The tax code penalizes marriage and forces those married couples who raise their own children to subsidize “child care” for those who do not. Top Republicans and Democrats have also led society away from the very notion of marital fidelity by precept as well as by parading their affairs. For example, in 1997 the Democratic administration’s secretary of defense and the Republican Senate’s majority leader (joined by the New York Times et al.) condemned the military’s practice of punishing officers who had extramarital affairs. While the military had assumed that honoring marital vows is as fundamental to the integrity of its units as it is to that of society, consensus at the top declared that insistence on fidelity is “contrary to societal norms.” Not surprisingly, rates of marriage in America have decreased as out-of-wedlock births have increased. The biggest demographic consequence has been that about one in five of all households are women alone or with children, in which case they have about a four in 10 chance of living in poverty. Since unmarried mothers often are or expect to be clients of government services, it is not surprising that they are among the Democratic Party’s most faithful voters. ”””””’

    ””””’The biggest demographic consequence has been that about one in five of all households are women alone or with children, in which case they have about a four in 10 chance of living in poverty. ”””””

    This is a lie. Single mothers with kids always make above the poverty line in benefits. Now guys on the other hand.

    ”””’The institution of no-fault divorce diminished the distinction between cohabitation and marriage — except that husbands are held financially responsible for the children they father, while out-of-wedlock fathers are not. ”’

    Already brought up. I think he meant alimony for husbands to suport their former wives like they were children and every guy responsible for child support even disable veterans with one limb and one eye.

    ”””’Not being at the table when government makes the rules about how you must run your business, knowing that you will be required to pay more, work harder, and show deference for the privilege of making less money, is the independent businessman’s nightmare. But what to do about it? ””””’

    Move out just like the big corporations when they get a big chunk of cash.

    ”””’The ruling class’s manifold efforts to discredit and drive worship of God out of public life — not even the Soviet Union arrested students for wearing crosses or praying, or reading the Bible on school property, as some U.S. localities have done in response to Supreme Court rulings ””””””

    Been saying that. The shit that was said about the soviets while I was growing up and they had the bombs is the same shit we have been doing to our own people in the us.

    ””””How the county class and ruling class might clash on each item of their contrasting agendas is beyond my scope. Suffice it to say that the ruling class’s greatest difficulty — aside from being outnumbered — will be to argue, against the grain of reality, that the revolution it continues to press upon America is sustainable. For its part, the country class’s greatest difficulty will be to enable a revolution to take place without imposing it. America has been imposed on enough. ”””

    Bloody revolution not really gonna happen from within us that changes shit.

    Just have to understand people living in concentration and forced labor camps and actually working instead of just putting down there shovels and saying fuck off bitch.

    You can kill me but I am not gonna do the work to help your war effort against my country.

    Why I brought up plan before of china just going ahead and exterminating the west. Which would be the lesser of two evils rather than letting the entire planet be overrun by feminism and american style divorce laws.
    I mean when you offer a group to have almost unlimited power and choice and the ability to do whatever they want with no consequences it must be a pretty attractive offer if you also tell them that they will be subsidized as woman have.

    Now if the money really ran out that would be a diferent story. Then yea some change maybe. When they could no longer pay a judge a couple hundred k a year to retire. Then the judge comes back and works a little more and double dips and gets another retirement.

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  274. @Rivelino
    I’ve only read a few articles about Lori Gottleib’s book and not the book itself, but the impression I got is she dated a lot, not just alphas and she was incredibly fussy. Her definition of settling before she got into the situation she’s in now is having got together with any man who wasn’t the perfect man she had in her head (and is extremely unlikely to exist in real life and if he did wouldn’t be getting together with someone as entitled as her – it amazes me it took her till her age to look at her own behaviour, I can remember even at age 10 thinking about that sort of thing, I can’t believe I’m that unusual amongst women).

    And the media overrpresents women like her, dalrock had some stats that only something like 10% of women hadn’t married by their late thirties and there must be a proportion within that who genuinely don’t want to get married which makes her even more statistically insignificant.

    @name nanka
    I think R. Stanton Scott has a point. It’s all very well having absorbed scripted techniques into your subconcious as you refer to, but when a guy is 60 years old, would he rather look back on his life and think of the women he managed to ‘trick’ into bed,

    [editor: we’ve been over this before. game is not about “tricking” women into bed. women aren’t stupid infants incapable of making decisions for themselves. game is about giving women exactly what their hearts desire — a man who projects force of personality and alpha dominance.]

    or have a load of accomplishments as well as spending lots of time with various beautiful women.
    If R Stanton Scott is who he says he is, I would imagine he has plenty of success with women, both in terms of getting them into bed and having relationships with. If he doesn’t have the numbers some guys have it is not because of not being able to, but because he’s got lots of other things going on his life.

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  275. on July 17, 2010 at 6:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Pterodactyl

    You forgot:

    com1: bunker bunker bunker

    com1: bunker bunker bunker

    com1: team1 we got a fire at the intersection of grand and patriot.

    Team 1: roger that.

    com1: team 2 we need you over there as well to support team 1 and turn off electric.

    team 2: roger that.

    Calls team 4: we got incoming and report of connex on fire.

    calls team 5: sir we got rounds / fire need you over at intersection of grand and patriot.

    com 1 phones team 3: it is a connex correct on fire and what is in that connex.

    Team 3: .50 cal ammo

    com1: wtf

    Team 1 and 2 go ahead and be carefull be advised .50 cal ammo in connex. copy

    team 1: good copy
    Team 2: good copy

    moment of time:

    Team 1: yea we got fucking .50 cal rounds cooking off like the fourth of july.

    he he he

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  276. R. Stanton Scott :

    When he encounters a real alpha, he calls him gay.

    You, sir, are not an alpha.

    Women are not attracted to accomplishments, unless they confer high status.

    Why so insecure?

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  277. namae nanka:

    Ii>”Attraction is fine but keeping them in another thing.”

    Exactly. Men who get their “Game” from real accomplishments

    [editor: learning game *is* a real accomplishment. your hangup with this obvious point suggests a deep psychological aversion to men getting something, as you perceive it, on the cheap, for which you have toiled hard your whole life to get mere crumbs of.]

    and the actual feelings of confidence success gives them, can keep the woman in because they can back it up. They have real stories of real events they had influence on, or which shaped them. It keeps the alpha status fresh.

    [game is effective at picking up, seducing, and keeping women in long term relationships. it even helps marriages. see: the relationship game week posts from last year.]

    “Alphas of men might seem to be default alphas when it comes to women, but many times they are not. Especially not in times when the BS of feminism and the media poison has been trying to betaize from the start.”

    Real life alpha males can keep any kind or type of woman happy. Feminism and media poison don’t challenge his accomplishments because they are real. His power comes from doing things, not from setting a frame, so ephemeral hits on his self-image or masculinity don’t register.

    [frames can be set without doing any “real” (i.e. societally approved) things. psychosocial dominance has nothing to do with earning degrees or starting businesses or busting your ass 100 hours per week at the office.]

    “And the scripted techniques when played many times over, become a part of the subconscious, just like you don’t need to think when you brush your teeth. The inner frame is as important, it’s impossible to fake it congruently otherwise.”

    You are not a powerful dominant alpha male just because you have convinced yourself that you are. People see through you, especially other men. And valuable women.

    “biology is lie and game is lie?
    well yeah, women are seduced by charming lies, why should you blame them?”

    If you have to lie women into your bed, I have nothing but pity for you.

    [is makeup lying?]

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  278. Lily,
    Good point about Lori Gottlieb. While I know there are women like her and know a few myself the media does overrepresent women like that. Dalrock’s stats would seem to be about accurate. I have heard that about women being attracted to serial killers, but I personally don’t get that at all.
    Rivelino,
    I think you have a good point about married women not cheating as much as is sometimes assumed on this blog.

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  279. Lily, I am who I say I am, nothing more and nothing less.

    And yes, I fare well enough with women.

    Roissy thinks he isn’t tricking women because he is going after their base instincts, which he calls “giving them what they want.” Leaving rationality, agency, and reason aside, to the extent alpha status generates a tingle, PUAs can only fake it–if they actually had alpha status they would not need game.

    [editor: stupidest comment ever. i know countless conventionally high status men who squander their societally approved status because they don’t know how to project alpha dominance in their conversations with women.]

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  280. @ R. Stanton Scott

    PA: So fictional accounts of wartime misery prove your point? Raise your standard for evidence, boy

    It was an illustration that followed non-fictional examples. Reading comprehension — get some, boy.

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  281. Learning game is an “accomplishment” in the same sense that learning all the rules to Dungeons and Dragons would be an “accomplishment.” Only with sex.

    [editor: now you’re just trolling. next you’ll be telling everyone learning guitar is a fake accomplishment akin to learning the rules of d&d, except that it’s better at attracting women.]

    I more than get why the sex part is important.

    [are you the catcher or the pitcher?]

    You’re horny, and getting laid seems like a big win.

    [falling in love isn’t so bad either.]

    Makes you think you’ve done something.

    [i understand that for gay men getting sex requires hardly any effort, but don’t project your poofter sexual dynamics onto hetero relations.]

    But you really haven’t–nothing really alpha–if you play a role to get women into bed.

    [chicks dig roleplaying.]

    Alpha men don’t have to chase women.

    [game teaches men techniques for flipping the chase script.]

    They don’t have to plan their assault on the woman’s subconscious or biology.

    [women want men to assault their subconscious.]

    They just do shit. And women like that.

    [depends on what kind of shit. and how the shit is marketed.]

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  282. “Women are not attracted to accomplishments, unless they confer high status”
    Depends on how you define high status, look at the penniless artist or the struggling musician or the surfer dude. They have accomplishments and gets lots of women. And sometimes it taps into some women’s wish to help the man get ahead in life.

    As for make up and game, I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. On the whole, make up is an enhancer rather than something that can make someone look a *lot* better than they are. The equivalent of make up is more like a guy wearing a Saville Row suit which is cut in a way to minimise a pot belly. But a lot of aspects of game is more like manipulation that a lot of women do, not a direct comparison to make up. And certainly books with chapters like ‘using hypnosis to get anal sex from a woman’ is not a direct comparison to make up.

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  283. “i know countless conventionally high status men who squander their societally approved status because they don’t know how to project alpha dominance”
    Depends what sort of high status this is. If it’s a good job in corporate America but they’re boring I can imagine.

    “Alpha men don’t have to chase women. They don’t have to plan their assault on the woman’s subconscious or biology”
    I suspect you’re quite a good looking guy and that’s colored your opinion. I know some guys who literally never go chasing women because you know as you say they have shit to do and are busy with that. And they’d never need to because they get so many approaches from women. Women may not even know them or know who they are but they’re good looking and have that aura, they just get into conversation with a woman on say a train on the way back from a meeting and the woman asks them to go back to her house and have sex with her. They’re all really good looking though. Also got to say they’re also all really lovely guys and genuinely love women for their company which must come across.

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  284. @Sexy Pterodactyl
    Dungeons and Dragons is a real accomplishment (like computer games – wasn’t it called Game in the first place because it had levels like computer games?) and do doubt you’re the MASTER. But I’m not sure being really good at a war game like that would help in a real war?

    I’m really good at Grand Theft Auto but I suspect I’d last about 30 seconds in the less salubrious parts of downtown Miami…

    *subverts eyes for having addressed the mighty Pterodactyl*

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  285. I meant NO doubt not do doubt!!

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  286. Game certainly has it’s limits, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t work. Roissy is trying to teach men social dominance which is a huge turn on for women, often the biggest one. R. Stanton’s point about women liking soldiers just backs this up. It isn’t so much because men were soldiers that women like them it is because they project confidence. Women tend to go for fun, charming, cocky and confident men as Sally said in an above comment. Having accomplishments generally makes men at least cocky and confident. The fun and charming is what some of them need to work on.
    I think it might bother some men if they work really hard at something expecting to attract a lot of women and a less conventionally successful man comes in and they seem more interested in him. Women are human and they like to flirt and have fun rather than just admiring all your achievements..

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  287. [do note in the post i said a man should leave after sex. i did not write he should bolt before the semen dries on her tits. and i also wrote that post coital cuddling should be avoided with girls who are significantly hotter than what the man normally gets. this will help ensure that his value remains at or above par with hers, otherwise the inherent value discrpeancy will quickly work to undermine his chance to extract long term sex out of her.
    capiche?]

    Aw, it’s good to see you missed me.

    And, yes, I capiche. It just seems that the majority of your commenters did not capiche, so I was more responding to them than you. I mostly agreed with your post, even if I continue to think you’ve become too specialized in your approach.

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  290. I’ve only read a few articles about Lori Gottleib’s book and not the book itself, but the impression I got is she dated a lot, not just alphas and she was incredibly fussy. And the media overrpresents women like her, dalrock had some stats that only something like 10% of women hadn’t married by their late thirties and there must be a proportion within that who genuinely don’t want to get married which makes her even more statistically insignificant.

    Lily,

    Good answer, but again, let me clarify my larger point:

    Whether a girl decides to “settle down” with a herb at age 27 or 37 is not as significant as what her life experiences were up to that point, and how those experiences shape her future expectations about men and marriage.

    The sexual revolution has allowed women to be slutty in the teens and 20s and 30s with no judgment by society. In fact, judging women for their sexual behavior is now politically incorrect. For a college girl to go to Cancun on Spring Break and flash her breasts for Girls Gone Wild, to have sex with random guys, and to win 2nd place in a wet t-shirt contest — that is all seen as an empowering rite of passage for her. She is now a liberated, independent woman.

    My first girlfriend, Catherine, told me how in the last week before college graduation, it was a tradition at her school for everyone to hook up. Meaning, one night stands and casual sex. The point being for girls to prove to guys that they were as blase and carefree about sex as the guys were. The message was: I can do whatever I want, with whomever I want. I will not be judged. I will not be sexually oppressed.

    So as the typical American girl experiences her slutty teens and 20s, who does she choose to hook up with, the nice, slightly nerdy boy next door? Or the buff, rowdy football player? It doesn’t have to be the football player either, it can be a variety of alpha male types: the athlete, the brooding artist, the rebellious musician, the wealthy older man, etc.

    Good for her. I am all for people having hot sex.

    But unfortunately, this sets up a situation where she begins to believe that since a series of random alpha dudes hooked up with her for a series of pump and dumps — which is what she wanted too — that must mean that she is a alpha girl deserving of an alpha male for marriage.

    I feel her pain. Touched by the intoxicating power of a high-value, masculine, dominant alpha male, what self-respecting female would want to settle for a drab, average, slightly masculine but not always beta/herb dude?

    Nope.

    She doesn’t want that. She is convinced that since a bunch of alpha males fucked her, that she can get one of these alpha males to marry her.

    Most girls wise up and “settle” in their 20s. Most are smarter than Lori Gottlieb.

    HOWEVER:

    That doesn’t stop these girls from hoping and wanting to turn their husband into some alpha stud, and I don’t mean in the bedroom, I mean in life: power, resources, taking charge of every situation, always in control, all that stuff that women love.

    This is where all the nagging and marital discord comes from, and much divorce. Simply, these girls have way-too-high expectations as to who they deserve.

    Imagine if the situation were reversed: If a man in his 20s, before he married, could sample dozens of gorgeous, fresh, teenage models and have a series one night stands with them. And then he had to settle down with an average-looking woman, warm and loving but slightly boring and really not that exciting. He would not be very happy either.

    He would complain loudly, with the same bitterness and shrillness that you hear coming from women, complaining about their loser husbands who don’t make enough money, who aren’t romantic, who don’t help with the chores, blah blah blah.

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  292. Rivelino,

    Imagine if the situation were reversed: If a man in his 20s, before he married, could sample dozens of gorgeous, fresh, teenage models and have a series one night stands with them. And then he had to settle down with an average-looking woman, warm and loving but slightly boring and really not that exciting. He would not be very happy either.

    He would complain loudly, with the same bitterness and shrillness that you hear coming from women, complaining about their loser husbands who don’t make enough money, who aren’t romantic, who don’t help with the chores, blah blah blah.

    I nominate this for Comment of the Month. This is a brilliant frame-change. Someone ought to make a movie with this as the theme.

    There’s only one thing which makes the situation less bleak — because of Game, it is easier for men to change in order to be more attractive to women than it is for women to change in order to be more attractive to men. Behavior is easier to improve than looks. Therefore the beta/herb who is disappointing his wife is better off than the average-looking woman who is disappointing her husband would be in your fanciful situation.

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  293. on July 18, 2010 at 9:32 am Smashing_Retards

    And the media overrpresents women like her, dalrock had some stats that only something like 10% of women hadn’t married by their late thirties and there must be a proportion within that who genuinely don’t want to get married which makes her even more statistically insignificant.

    Dalrock is playing games, like most suave retards.

    His stats are for white only non-hispanic. More importantly, they are from the government, and as such a fantasy.

    Or maybe you believe the governments unemployment numbers to?

    For extra credit, please name the states that refuse to report their divorce numbers and calculate their total population as a percentage of national population.

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  294. Or maybe you believe the governments unemployment numbers to?

    A conspiracy to under-report the number of aging feminists? I just don’t see it.

    @Newscaster:
    The nations leading Aging Feminist Index rose by a seasonally adjusted 3.4% this quarter, the third consecutive increase. The problem first gained national attention when the Drudge report coined the term “Spinstergate” early this spring. White House insiders say off the record that President Obama’s advisors fear this could hurt his reelection chances amongst the key battle-axe voting demographic. Obama has tried to explain away the problem by pointing out that “These women would have gotten married under Bush’s term had it not been for Katrina and the Iraq war. I inherited this problem.” Nevertheless, he has established a new Clueless Beta Czar to try to marry off as many of the old broads as possible.

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  295. @Rivelino
    “Imagine if the situation were reversed: If a man in his 20s, before he married, could sample dozens of gorgeous, fresh, teenage models and have a series one night stands with them. And then he had to settle down with an average-looking woman, warm and loving but slightly boring and really not that exciting. He would not be very happy either.”
    This does happen though. Lots of guys spend their twenties and early thirties playing the field with beautiful party girl types. Suddenly say around ages 32-35, they decide they want to settle down & have kids, then go through a stage of having lescasual encounters and then it almost seems like the next woman who passes some basic filters they get married to and often within a short time frame. Often the woman will be more like a 6 or 7 rather than the 10s he spend years bedding. She may even be quite homely.

    Often by 45-50 these guys are not that happy. Only instead of complaining and whining to the wife, they let her think everything is ok and stringing along a mistress for years telling her they’re ‘staying for the kids’ or they’re ‘sacrificing themselves’ for their kids (hah hah).

    ‘same bitterness and shrillness that you hear coming from women, complaining about their loser husbands’
    I really hate this, I see it way too much.
    Even if you felt like that, it’s really bad form to criticise your husband in public.
    Men talking about their wives as battleaxes or ‘balls and chains’ isn’t particularly endearing either, but it’s particularly horrible seeing a woman constantly criticise her husband as if it’s just regular conversation.

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  296. @Rivelino
    I didn’t comment on the earlier part of your post because I don’t know enough about young female behaviour in the US but I get your general gist.

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  297. on July 18, 2010 at 2:44 pm shoutingthomas

    Hard to believe that you knuckleheads are still wasting your time here.

    Roissy, when are you going to find something to do?

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  298. @R Stanton Scott,

    Dude, what women are keyed subconsciously to find attractive are the traits that come along with actual accomplishment. All the accomplishments in the world don’t mean shit unless they also give you the self-confidence, devil-may-care attitude mixed in with social aloofness that’s often – but not always – a result of being a leader of men.

    If you take away the accomplishments but KEEP the attitudes, women like it almost as much. It tends to filter out the women who are more keen for toys or are there to manipulate men for money or gifts.

    The reason: Evolution of perception relies on shorthands. These traits in males are shorthands for success, because most men don’t have these traits unless they ALSO have the accomplishments. Until women can develop an olfactory sense specifically designed to sniff out the scent of money in a bank account, shorthands will have to do.

    And it’s possible to train yourself to present the shorthands regardless of your situation. It renders women more pliable and agreeable.

    Remember: Sexual attraction isn’t chosen. It operates on a subconscious level. The more conscious the woman is in her actions, the less likely her sexual selection is conscious.

    You don’t need to believe this. It doesn’t matter. It’s pre-tested and examined every day by millions of men. Once you decide to actually see how the world works, you’ll just have to agree to agree. Until then, your world of illusions is obviously quite comfortable.

    Like a comfy sofa that you sink into but can’t get up from.

    My advice: Get up from it. You’ll get bedsores if you don’t.

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  299. Scent:

    The scent of a woman and your scent prime receptors in the nose and program the brain. Once these receptors are programmed, the mere scent of a sexual partner can drive the other crazy. Scent is crucial. It’s my most powerful sexual arouser, for sure; sight is critical, but scent is visceral and primal. Pheromones can also do this: and you’ll swear there’s a smell, but you just can’t…quite… place it. But you’ll get aroused.

    Long resting sessions together in between sex, when the pheromones are gushing, are crucial to incubating this link.

    Once this link is made, it’ll last for anywhere between 2-3 weeks or, if reinforced, 6-12 months.

    If you just get up and go or take a shower, you might limit this effect.

    On the other hand, sometimes the chemical receptors between two potential mates just don’t click. In which case, it doesn’t matter.

    And anyway, it’s only relevant for STRs and LTRs.

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  300. on July 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm Tupac Chopra

    vasafaxa:

    But neither does a girl really want a guy that’s first goal is to bring her down soley so he can remake her in his own image. She wants a guy who will be at a level higher than her and then bring her up to it.

    And when she is eventually brought up to his level — as an equal — the hindbrain begins whirring like a rangefinder seeking out another guy who is at an even higher level who can give her yet another boost up.

    The appeal to equalism in relationships is a clever way to turn men into stepping stones.

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  301. @Gunsliger

    “So you have internally been thinking about what you would get if divorced. See incongruency. ”

    Actually no. I responded to a point that was brought in discussion here, in fact one that’s brought up here frequently. Thinking about how one might respond in a situation that’s frequently being discussed is hardly a plan.

    “If ya feel that way though cool but people don’t always respond to everything in fact most don’t respond but when ya see people internalize what you said you know you made a diference”

    OK, good to know that someone here might be internalizing. My point isn’t to get people to say that “Gosh, that J is so great because she has a good marriage.” I just want people to know that a good marriage is still a possibility.

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  302. @Omar

    “AG, why are women so attracted to serial killers?”

    Amanda Knox, who was convicted of killing her roomate and is currently in an Italian prison, gets love letters from men all over the world. How come?

    [editor: because she’s hot? duh.]

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  303. @Tim @7:42

    Thanks for sharing your perspective with me.

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  304. @vasfaxa

    “I’m getting really tired of the breed as much insecurity and fear in girls as possible shtick. It just feels so destructive. Why must so much of game follow the idea of “make her feel weak so then you can bring her back up again.” It’s really very savage.”

    Or it’s like a guy saying, “I have nothing positive to offer, just the threat that you’ll be alone if you don’t settle for me.”

    Ironically, exsplat complained to me a few days about an ex delivering that same threat to him. I guess that turn-about is not fair play.

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  305. @exsplat

    “Ouch! What is the word for that, what you just did? It’s not irony, not understatment, not quite sarcasm. Undercasm?”

    Really? In the light of how pleasant the first paragraph of that post was, I thought he was explaining his position and politely agreeing to disagree.

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  306. polymath,

    Thanks for the props. I have seen this happen with my own eyes, to me and to some of my friends, and just now it is all coming together in my head. Reading Roissy and reading the book “No More Mr. Nice Guy” have helped me identify and understand this phenomenon, as has being very good friends with lots of attractive women over the years.

    Yeah, I was the LJBF nice guy, watching from the outside in, as my attractive single female friends in their 20s would spread their legs for all the bad-boy/alpha dudes. These girls would then complain when these bad boys didn’t want to settle down, but they would ignore the nice guys who did want to settle down.

    Or even better, a more typical scenario:

    After having a one night stand with a bad boy, she rationalizes it by saying that she is young and just wants to have fun also. She doesn’t want it to mean anything either. Even though secretly she wants him to call her.

    But then if a nice guy tries the same thing, tries for something “casual”, she rejects him mercilessly, like he is crazy. A painful double standard, literally mocking the sexual desire of betas, but submitting to the sexual desire of alphas.

    Who said life isn’t cruel?

    So as I stated in my previous comment, these casual flings, these experiences of being “touched by greatness”, they warp a girl’s sense of reality. She could be a 7, but in her sluttly 20s she fucked — or rather, got fucked — by a bunch of alpha 9s. Now, as she slowly deteriorates into her late 20s and early 30s, she is still looking for that alpha 9, only now she doesn’t just want to have sex with him, she wants him to commit to her *for life*.

    And, just to prove that she is not a crazy female, just to be sensible, she agrees to “settle” for an alpha 8.

    Sorry, darling.

    The way it works is that no man is going to settle for a girl that is a lower number than him. If she is a 7, she needs to look to settle with a 6. But she is out there looking for 8s to settle with. Ain’t going to happen.

    And this is how feminism screws women. For more insight on this, I strongly recommend that every guy read these two works:

    (1) Marry Him by Lori Gottlieb. Even though Lori is not familiar with the term alpha male, she describes the above situation perfectly. She was clearly attractive, possibly very attractive, in her 20s, and she “dated” (euphemism for got fucked casually by) many alpha males during her peak years. In lucid detail, she describes the type of guys she was able to pull: handsome, wealthy, successful, artistic, all of the above. The best of the best.

    But she always wanted to find one of these alpha 9s to settle down with, never once realizing that while she could pull them into her bedroom, she would never be able to pull them down the altar. Huge difference. The only girl that is a going to pull an alpha 9 into marriage is a stunning hb10 actress or model, and on top of that she needs to be 5-10 years younger than him. Wake up, Lori. Stop believing what the magazines and your equally deluded female friends tell you, that you deserve the best. No you don’t.

    (2) Another fantastic read is the article Sexual Utopia in Power by F. Roger Devlin. Someone here linked to it with great commentary. Devlin explains clearly how feminism is successful and will continue to be successful because it creates unhappiness in women, and then blames men for it. So it creates its own customers. He describes it much better than I do.

    To further explain this phenomenon, let me describe my theory on how feminism screws over the American Girl.

    Every attractive girl in American culture goes through four stages in her search for true love and sexual empowerment. Each stage goes with an approximate age range.

    THE FOUR STAGES

    STAGE ONE: From ages 15-20, the attractive girl gets tons of attention, but is still slightly shy about her sexual ability. Yes, nowadays she will suck a lot of dick, but mostly only with guys her own age. She will still be cautious about who she hooks up with. She is still slightly cautious and often lives with her parents, which helps mitigate her wild side. She believes in true love, but for much later in life. Her teenage years are to have fun.

    STAGE TWO: From ages 20-25, the attractive girl quickly turns into a slut in order to prove to Cosmo that she is an empowered female. Liberated from the watchful eye of her parents, she fucks lots of alpha guys, has wild adventures, and experiments sexually. This includes going to Cancun on Spring Break, flashing her tits for GGW, videotaping herself having sex, and making out with other girls at clubs and bars. Whatever it takes to get attention and feel special. Of course, throughout this whole period of sexual debauchery, she still firmly believes that she is unique snowflake, innocent and pure, and that Prince Charming will find her soon (and will want her used-up pussy!), but for now, she just wants to have fun and get it out of her system.

    Secretly, of course, she is feeling dirtier and dirtier inside. However, she is in an arms race with other girls to attract the hottest alpha guys in order to feel validated, since there is nothing inside her brain anyway. So in order to please and keep her man, she learns to act sluttier and sluttier. This explains why girls under 35 have accepted the fact that sex ends with the guy coming all over her face. The most degrading sexual act possible, unimaginable to women of earlier generations, is now standard operating procedure — thanks to feminism.

    STAGE THREE: From ages 25-30, the attractive girl is still attractive, but less so by the day. She has now decided that she is tired of being a sex toy rag doll for all the alphas that have crossed her path. She is now seriously looking to settle down. With an alpha, of course. She become less slutty in Stage Three and eventually starts considering settling down with a beta, because her clock is ticking. Since she is still attractive, she is usually able to do so. She ropes in some beta to marry her and have her children. Of course, he will never measure up to her ideal alpha man, the one she dreamed about in Stage Two. The one she sucked off in Stage Two.

    This is where the seeds of marital discord get planted. This is why 50% of marriages end in divorce. Feminism promised her something it couldn’t deliver: an alpha male 9 that would commit to her and make her dreams come true — only after she rode the cock carousel and had her fun. Feminism promises her that she can have her cake and eat it too. And not just for hb9s and hb10s, for ALL WOMEN. Every woman deserves her Prince Charming, now matter how attractive she is.

    Meanwhile, the poor beta she manipulates into marriage often feels “lucky to have her” and feels blessed to have married such an attractive girl. If only he knew how slutty she had been in Stage Two, he wouldn’t feel so lucky.

    STAGE FOUR: The attractive girl usually does not reach Stage Four. She is smart enough and manipulative enough to bag a beta in Stage Three, before she completely loses her looks. Lori Gottlieb reached Stage Four, and decided to have a baby by herself. At age 40 and a single mom, she was *still* looking to meet the alpha 35 year old male.

    Talk about brainwashing.

    The lesson in all of this for men, of course, is to take advantage of the new sexual world created by feminism. Become an alpha as much as you possibly can, and look for girls in Stage Two of their sexual lives.

    In Stage Two, a girl wants to get used by an alpha male. It is what she needs. It is her write of passage. Do her the favor and fuck her and dump her. She will thank you for it.

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  307. on July 18, 2010 at 3:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””he never lies on me or looks up at me or comes to me–he will give me all the cuddles i want if i come to HIM for them–and all hugs end with a smack on the ass”””””

    Yea I think spankings are an important part of a relationship.
    When she is a good girl spank her.
    When she is a bad girl spank her.
    For no reason spank her.

    If apart and talking on phone have her spank herself.

    he he he

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  308. And when she is eventually brought up to his level — as an equal — the hindbrain begins whirring like a rangefinder seeking out another guy who is at an even higher level who can give her yet another boost up.

    The appeal to equalism in relationships is a clever way to turn men into stepping stones.

    Exactly right, Tupac Chopra. Well said.

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  309. on July 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm NYCbachelor

    “I’m not convinced on the serial killer thing.

    When they are attracting women, it’s when they are safely behind bars.”

    Anyone who has ever won a fight in front of a group of women knows how very true the attraction is.

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  310. on July 18, 2010 at 4:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Tupac Chopra
    vasafaxa:

    But neither does a girl really want a guy that’s first goal is to bring her down soley so he can remake her in his own image. She wants a guy who will be at a level higher than her and then bring her up to it.

    And when she is eventually brought up to his level — as an equal — the hindbrain begins whirring like a rangefinder seeking out another guy who is at an even higher level who can give her yet another boost up.

    The appeal to equalism in relationships is a clever way to turn men into stepping stones.
    ””””””’
    Yea seen woman in family use a guy during college to have own apartment good times with guy with money and then when college over relationship over.

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  311. on July 18, 2010 at 4:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’on July 18, 2010 at 4:06 pm NYCbachelor
    “I’m not convinced on the serial killer thing.

    When they are attracting women, it’s when they are safely behind bars.”

    Anyone who has ever won a fight in front of a group of women knows how very true the attraction is.””””””

    Yea could be another form of game.

    Throw blood on yourself like you were just in fight and do approaches.

    Got a call that some dude was coming with friends to kill me in my house. So yea slightly irritated. So I called my dad to say goodbye. Whatever. Around 30 people outside of house. I walk out to face em alone. Nothing happens.
    Go back in and could of tossed a basketball in my womans pussy. Was freakish.

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  312. @Rivelino

    I think your post is excellent and spot on.

    Except
    “The only girl that is a going to pull an alpha 9 into marriage is a stunning hb10 actress or model, and on top of that she needs to be 5-10 years younger than him.”
    This really isn’t what I’ve seen. Many are married to women who are 7s or 8s and none of them are actresses or models.

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  313. @NYCBachelor

    I completely agree with the fight thing. But that’s a long long long way from being a serial killer (particularly not one already locked up in jail).

    I just googled out of curiosity
    http://ezinearticles.com/?Unrequited-Love—Women-Who-Love-Serial-Killers-and-Men-on-Death-Row&id=645902

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  314. on July 18, 2010 at 4:34 pm Tupac Chopra

    After having a one night stand with a bad boy, she rationalizes it by saying that she is young and just wants to have fun also. She doesn’t want it to mean anything either. Even though secretly she wants him to call her.

    But then if a nice guy tries the same thing, tries for something “casual”, she rejects him mercilessly, like he is crazy. A painful double standard, literally mocking the sexual desire of betas, but submitting to the sexual desire of alphas.

    If the woman in the two scenarios you outline is one and the same, a fun sociological experiment is to gently try and coax out of her the reasons for her disparate reactions.

    As a “concerned friend” of course. heh

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  315. on July 18, 2010 at 4:38 pm Tupac Chopra

    I completely agree with the fight thing. But that’s a long long long way from being a serial killer.

    A difference in degree, nothing more.

    It still lies on the same bell curve.

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  316. @Rivelino
    To clarify, I said most are 7s or 8s, a few are 9s. But still none actresses or models, the guys may have had sex with same it the past but seem to marry professional women from their socio-economic background (though the woman often gives up work after a baby). Exceptions are self-made men from a lower class.

    @Tupac
    “A difference in degree, nothing more” It’s not the same at all!

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  317. @Rivelino
    “This explains why girls under 35 have accepted the fact that sex ends with the guy coming all over her face. The most degrading sexual act possible, unimaginable to women of earlier generations, is now standard operating procedure”
    Out of curiousity, is this why guys would want to do this? I just assumed it was from porn or because men are visual creatures. Is the truth because they want to degrade women?

    (and before anyone asks, I’ve never had anyone come on my face)

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  318. on July 18, 2010 at 5:11 pm Tupac Chopra

    Lily —

    It just feels good to totally own a woman.

    I suppose a feminist might characterize this as a form of “degredation”, but that’s not how I subjectively feel about it.

    I can’t speak for other men and I do know there are some guys with serious issues out there. Shrug.

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  319. on July 18, 2010 at 5:13 pm Tupac Chopra

    Rivelino owning this thread.

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  320. on July 18, 2010 at 5:50 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Rivelino, good posts, but if you think the money shot to the face is “THE most degrading sexual act possible” (caps yours) then you got some learnin’ to do.

    And, if a certain class of girls has “accepted the fact” of the money shot, then all you have to do is take the next step (and there are plenty of next steps). That whole stretching the elastic thing, that Johnny 5 was talking about.

    Finally, it’s not true that all women who went nutz in Rivelino’s Stage Two wind up with outsize expectations later on. A lot of them become so addicted to the sexual highs that they’ll do anything for a LTR with a man who can surpass and broaden her sexual experiences. Anything. Support him, aid and abet him in procuring other women, etc.
    No looks, money, or leadership of men required.
    If you’re a lazy bum who doesn’t want kids but can fuck and dominate like a champ, you’re MUCH better off going after this type for an LTR.
    Ironically, it’s the good girls who actually need more than just good dick, when it comes down to it. So I always get a good hearty laugh from the advocacy of “good girls” by men who’ve otherwise decided to go ghost/pua/childless/off the grid. Make up your minds!

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  321. Hey Lily, i think it can be several explanations, depening totally on cirmustances. It can be LTR or pornmovies, and anything in between.

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  322. Lily—

    “The only girl that is a going to pull an alpha 9 into marriage is a stunning hb10 actress or model, and on top of that she needs to be 5-10 years younger than him.”

    This really isn’t what I’ve seen. Many are married to women who are 7s or 8s and none of them are actresses or models

    Yeah he’s exaggerating. But so are you.

    Not many female 10s exist. Only super alphas who are also thin on the ground bang mostly them, and probably they don’t either, wanting easier 9’s in more quantity when going that way, and/or a 9 who will more adore him and give them more slack. So make what the alpha 9’s mostly banged when he was playing around with gusto 8’s, with some 9’s and a bunch of 7’s too, esp. if he’s a numbers guy.

    As for your exaggerating, most of the alpha’s settling down with 7’s are probably male 8 lesser alpha’s. Probably the kind of guy that would make her or you happiest too.

    Now the 7’s and 8’s of which you speak who aren’t actresses or models but are pretty or very pretty/beautiful (8), if they are very compatible with said 8.5 or 9 male alpha and a real good match in most ways such as SES etc., and there’s a deep spark, a strong magnetic pull – the girl can often seal the deal w/her chosen alpha if she agrees to let him play, some, discreetly, keeping her primary. Gives her a real special appeal. Yeah it is a big deal for an alpha. The cleaver girl will be able to figure out how to hint about her receptivity to this, in the course of dating. Choice of movie for example, with her bits of commentary.

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  323. Revelino–

    Your post above is a good summary of Roissy’s message on that.

    I’d quibble w/you a bit about ages. The first stage is more 14-18, with it beginning for quite a few girls at 13 or even 12.

    The second for girls bound for college definitely begins w/college freshman. Who are famous as slut inductees at frats etc.

    But bang up comment overall.

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  324. on July 18, 2010 at 6:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””Rivelino
    This is where the seeds of marital discord get planted. This is why 50% of marriages end in divorce. Feminism promised her something it couldn’t deliver: an alpha male 9 that would commit to her and make her dreams come true — only after she rode the cock carousel and had her fun. Feminism promises her that she can have her cake and eat it too. And not just for hb9s and hb10s, for ALL WOMEN. Every woman deserves her Prince Charming, now matter how attractive she is.””””

    50 percent of marriages is not new. The omg divorce is a new thing is to make guys feel like it is their fault and accept the imposed punishment for failure. Alimony and child support. 50 percent marriage failure is for the last almost 100 years. Divorce is just a normal part of getting married that guys are punished for.

    ”””@Rivelino
    “This explains why girls under 35 have accepted the fact that sex ends with the guy coming all over her face. The most degrading sexual act possible, unimaginable to women of earlier generations, is now standard operating procedure”””””
    umm that is not the most degrading thing you could think of happening to a woman is it?
    Woman love to be dominated.
    They love degrading themselves.
    What we think is degrading they find enjoyable.
    Change the frame on that.
    When I came back from the field after 30 days once with no showers out there just some wet wipes and not really enough water to shower with.
    My wife sucked me off right after I came in the door.
    Talking 30 days of working 18 hours days of sweat on my balls.
    She lapped all that shit up.
    Woman will do anything.
    Cumming on there face is not hardcore.
    There is no limit to what they will do.
    Probably always been like that to.
    he he he

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  325. @Doug

    Yes, what I’m calling an Alpha 9 is like a guy who is an 8 or 9 in looks and has a good job or owns a business and is worth say the equivalent in pounds of somewhere between 10 and 50 million dollars. Many of these guys have had sex with models or actresses but certainly not the Giselles of the world so let’s say they’ve been having sex with 9s at the best. So you’re right it’s not like say the Mr Big character in SATC.

    For an idea of my scale in looks, 9 is like a typical good looking male actor, say Hugh Grant or Keanu Reeves. 10 is reserved for say Johnny Depp , Piers Brosnan and Paul Newman in their heydays.

    But you’re right the guys I’m referring to as 9 alphas are probably more like 7 or 8s overall (in the alpha scale) in the greater scheme of things. Let’s say if they’re a 9 in looks, then they are an 8 overall and if they’re 7 or below in looks then they are an 8 overall. Is that a compromise? 🙂

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  326. @Doug
    “the girl can often seal the deal w/her chosen alpha if she agrees to let him play, some, discreetly, keeping her primary”
    I don’t think most men are as self aware as you. More likely at the time they say (not just to her, but to themselves) they’re done the playing the field thing and now want to settle down and have kids with someone who will be a good mother to their kids and be faithful to one person. Sadly, it often seems that things don’t work out that way.

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  327. Gorb,

    Long resting sessions together in between sex, when the pheromones are gushing, are crucial to incubating this link.

    Once this link is made, it’ll last for anywhere between 2-3 weeks or, if reinforced, 6-12 months.

    If you just get up and go or take a shower, you might limit this effect.

    With proper maintenance this bond can last indefinitely. The in-between resting sessions, as you say, are key. And although, as you say, the pheromones themselves have no scent, their effect is so distinctive that with experience one can detect them simply by inhaling and noting the effect on one’s own arousal.

    If your LTR becomes consciously aware of this, that simply makes it even more addictive, she will actively seek it out. This has implications for things like when you should shower or get up and walk away.

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  328. on July 18, 2010 at 6:56 pm betadyourmom

    “Out of curiousity, is this why guys would want to do this? I just assumed it was from porn or because men are visual creatures. Is the truth because they want to degrade women?”

    It is a metaphorical form of impregnation which satisfies our (both men’s and women’s) animalistic reproductive instincts.

    I would guess that porno is only a part of it, cumshot fetishes are probably rooted in the modern disconnect between sex and reproduction.

    Incidentally some women find it far more ‘degrading’ to swallow than take an occasional squirt in the face.

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  329. Now the 7’s and 8’s of which you speak who aren’t actresses or models but are pretty or very pretty/beautiful (8), if they are very compatible with said 8.5 or 9 male alpha and a real good match in most ways such as SES etc., and there’s a deep spark, a strong magnetic pull – the girl can often seal the deal w/her chosen alpha if she agrees to let him play, some, discreetly, keeping her primary. Gives her a real special appeal.

    After reading what I wrote and then what Lily and Doug1 wrote, I think they are right, especially Doug1 and his “let him have some action on the side” corollary.

    Back when I was an alpha for a short period of time in my mid-twenties, I had one girl so in love with me that she agreed to let me have some action on the side. Just like Roissy said, she actually enjoyed it and it turned her on to know that I was so alpha that I could demand that she be the “wife” and another girl be the “mistress.” She felt proud to be with a man of such power and conviction.

    This proves two things: (1) Men prefer quantity over quality, and women prefer quality over quantity. (2) Women are harder to please. Men just want variety. Women want only the best.

    So yeah, I agree. When the alpha 9 gets married, he marries an hb8, but one that is of his educational and social status, and one who lets him cheat on the side.

    This is the classic, traditional setup, like Bill and Hillary Clinton. He has always been an alpha 9 or 10, and she an hb4, just kidding, and hb7 (?), but she let him do whatever he wanted on the side. Makes sense.

    But hold on, what about Tiger Woods. When he married a hot Swedish girl in 2004, I thought, hmm, not a bad choice, but why did he get married so young. Why not play the field for another 10 or 20 years, like Derek Jeter. But then I found out Elin had a twin sister and thought, aha, that was her secret weapon. He married her because he was having threesomes with her and her twin sister — brilliant. What a savvy girl, and what a stud guy.

    So for all these years, I thought Tiger was having threesomes with two hot blond sisters. My freakin’ hero. But then I found out that he was really just a beta in disguise, sneaking around his wife, worried about getting caught.

    So disappointing.

    Again, what does this prove? This proves that feminism just creates unhappiness among women. Because of feminism, Elin somehow deluded herself into thinking that Tiger should only be having sex with her. One of the biggest alpha 10s on the planet (at least in theory), and she thinks she deserves him all to herself. Like her pussy is made of gold, or something.

    Talk about brainwashing.

    So again, to reiterate: feminism planted the seed of marital discord in the Tiger household. If Elin had done what I thought she had done — shared Tiger with her twin sister — then maybe her children would still have a father. But nope. Thanks to Cosmo and Oprah and contemporary feminist society, Elin intimidated Tiger from the beginning, and did not allow him to get action on the side.

    This felt so unnatural to him that he began sneaking around, got caught, humiliated the entire family, and now no one is happy.

    Elin, why were you such an uptight little bitch? Your husband is making all your dreams come true (unlimited resources for you and your children), why can’t you just relax a bit and make his dreams come true too (if not threesomes with you and your sister, at least *a bit* of action on the side).

    Damn, now that was a tragedy that should not have occurred.

    Now, instead of one big happy family, Elin created a situation where her children do not have a father, her children think her father is a pervert, she is hounded by the press, and her husband is a laughingstock.

    But then again, why wouldn’t she do this? Women are all tough now because they know that they have their men by the balls financially. Once they got married, Elin knew that she could intimidate Tiger, because she had him by the balls. If he screwed up, she could just take half his money. This is exactly what feminism teaches young women nowadays: be a ballbuster.

    But Elin, which is better?

    (1) Having a devoted husband, a loving family, and access to all the money you want, and turning a blind eye once in a while.

    or

    (2) Having half of Tiger’s money, but having your entire family destroyed, your privacy destroyed, Tiger’s reputation destroyed, alienating the father of your children, and having your daughter eventually read about what a horndog her daddy was, banging anything that moved.

    Talk about stupidity.

    Side note: you know who had this right? The gorgeous Josie Maran. When she was dating the magician David Blaine, she knew he was an alpha 10. To keep him happy, she allowed him to screw around on the side with other girls, and got in on the action herself. Threesomes for alpha 10s? That’s the way it should be.

    We all know about this because she went on the Howard Stern Show and told him about their arrangement, even though she was under contract with Maybelline cosmetics and had a wholesome, good girl image. Now there’s a girl who isn’t afraid to think for herself. Either that, or she truly was bisexual. Even better.

    As for my other theory, that an average/cute hb7 girl who has sex with a series of alphas 9 thus starts deluding herself into thinking that she is an hb9 herself, I just remembered that I first read that theory here, written by none other than GBFM. Gotta give credit where credit is due. That man is a wild genius.

    Lily,
    To answer your question about facials, yes. A man wants to come on a girl’s face because he wants to own her, dominate her, and degrade her completely. It all stems from the same impulse.

    After all, that is what sex is ultimately about: domination and submission.

    This leads me to another myth creates by the feminists: that sex is about “making love.” Making love does not exists. (Eddie Murphy talks about this in Raw.)

    After hot sex, yes, it is possible to cuddle, bond, and feel an emotional and spiritual connect, absolutely. In fact, from a humanistic perspective, the afterglow can be just as pleasure as the actual fucking.

    But during sex, as a man you are supposed to be fucking her brains out. It should be raw, visceral, animalistic, aggressive and dirty. Again, this is the nature of the masculine polarity and the feminine polarity: domination and penetration.

    The problem, again, is that too many young women have been brainwashed into thinking that this kind of sex is degrading, disrespectful, and offensive.

    Don’t get me wrong, it *is* degrading, but it is not disrespectful. Or, at least, it should not be.

    Sex is about fantasy and role-playing anyway. Sex is about turning off our internal chatter, forgetting the rules of society, losing our inhibitions, and becoming primitive animals once again. In that sense, the best sex is a form of meditation, a way of getting in touch with nature and the secrets of the universe.

    I do admit, though, that these sexual boundaries can get hazy. In this respect, I know where the feminists are coming from. It’s a tricky subject, and one that deserves more honest, candid dialogue.

    But feminists are way too uptight about sex to have these conversations. They are consumed with rage, hateful of men, hateful of the male gaze, and hateful of male sexual desires.

    Feminists need to look inside themselves to truly understand their own sexual desires. (Hello, rape fantasies.) They need to understand what it means to get properly fucked, and how sex connects us to nature and to the energy of the universe.

    Until feminists realize that the sex act is not ultimately a political battle, but instead a vital, instinctual part of the human experience that connects masculine energy and feminine energy, feminists will continue to give bad advice to women, and create even more unhappiness for future generations of their own kind.

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  330. dude it’s called the chinatown scene in crank
    and the racetrack scene in crank2

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  331. JGL doesn’t seem very smooth, but he fucks the girl and moves on:

    http://www.backstagepazz.com/2009/06/joseph-gordon-levitt.html

    Girl doesn’t seem to mind at all.

    Boars are the same. They’ll fill a sow with cum, roll off and then strut off all smooth, like it was nothing.

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  332. Read some of these reports – these women sound like dumb alpha cock chasers, highly succeptible to gaming: http://www.backstagepazz.com/

    Yeah, I’m a lot smarter than average, but these women just come off so dumb, and they go on and on about the stupidest shit.

    And they really are into astrology!

    I guess it makes one feel better about fucking and getting the hell out; they are fucking morons.

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  333. Rivelino, you are an idiot.

    Tiger Woods was sticking his UNPROTECTED dick in all kinds of nasty (ex-porn/skank/sleaze) poon. He was ALSO DOING DRUGS with these women. Who knows what kind of diseases and dangers he was bringing home to his wife AND kids.

    Tiger woods is no Alpha and ALPHA does not equate ASSHOLE, you dumbf*cks. Tiger is a fugly dweeb who can play good golf but throws temper tantrums like an out-of-control titty baby.

    Grow a brain, dimwit and for f*ck’s sake wear a condom and never procreate.

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  334. on July 19, 2010 at 3:10 am Tupac Chopra

    Rivelino:

    This proves two things: (1) Men prefer quantity over quality, and women prefer quality over quantity. (2) Women are harder to please. Men just want variety. Women want only the best.

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  335. Rivelino , your ideas (and I in large agree with them) pretty much spell the end of marriage as a viable option for most men.

    Your thoughts ?

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  336. @Rivelino

    Re Elin, I think you’re wrong.

    I do agree he should have got married at least 10 years later.

    I also think Elin would (should) have ignored it if he had one or a few *discreet* ONS or flings on the side. For all we know she did previously but we can only speculate. But what he did was so disrespectful and *so* humiliating that there is no way you could stay with him and keep your dignity. I don’t think she is responsible for it coming out in the press. I also wouldn’t be surprised if she has caught something bad out of his shenanigans and that’s why the divorce proceedings are so hush.

    I disagree with her taking the amount of money the media says the media says, she doesn’t need all that money and would look a lot more classy if she didn’t. But I don’t think she could have stayed with him. And he is BETA.

    Re the alphas and the 7s or 8s etc thinking they are entitled to the alpha 9. The equivalent that I can think of is say a secretary or PA in an investment bank in the city and is a 5-7, from Essex (I think possibly the closest equivalent would be Jersey). Yeah, most likely to be able to have sex with alphas at the bank (though even the top of these guys except the boss she’s unlikely t meet, is what Doug and I now refer to as alpha 7s r 8s rather than 9s) but he’s going to marry someone from the same socio-economic background as him.

    “This proves two things: (1) Men prefer quantity over quality, and women prefer quality over quantity. (2) Women are harder to please. Men just want variety. Women want only the best.”
    I think it’s right, women want the best they can get. And it’s not socially acceptable for women to want variety, at least after marriage, the only place I can think of is France and even then only in certain levels of society.

    I think guys also want only the best. At least for their wife.

    I’m just not convinced they actually go for the best they could have got. With men a lot of it is to do with timing.

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  337. I’d be really interested in anyone else’s thoughts on Rivelino’s thoughts on facials, sex and degradation. And that making love does not exist. Is that true?

    Re rape fantasies, I haven’t read up that much about it but my feelings about it is that men and women see it differently or don’t understand each others language.

    Yes women have rape fantasies but I think men think it’s because they want to be humiliated and degraded and whilst no doubt that’s true for some women, for many if not most, it’s actually about being desired so much the man can’t keep his hands off you and being overpowered and not being responsible for what you do. Not about being degraded.

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  338. on July 19, 2010 at 8:43 am Vincent Ignatius

    Lily
    I’d be really interested in anyone else’s thoughts on Rivelino’s thoughts on facials, sex and degradation. And that making love does not exist. Is that true?

    I don’t know what it was like for the men of previous generations, but twenty-somethings now have taken much of their inspiration from porn, and the level of violence and degradation in porn has reached an all time high. Take it from a man who has seen plenty of porn from the 70s, 80s and 90s. The stuff we have today is over the top. Face fucking until girls are crying. Gagging. Rough anal. And this isn’t even fetish porn. This is the mainstream stuff.

    Rivelino
    As for my other theory, that an average/cute hb7 girl who has sex with a series of alphas 9 thus starts deluding herself into thinking that she is an hb9 herself, I just remembered that I first read that theory here, written by none other than GBFM.

    I’m sure other commenters have said the same thing. I’ve discussed this in a couple of posts as well. Women wouldn’t be able to keep up their hypergamous ways if they didn’t delude themselves into thinking that they were actually in the same league with the men they desire most.

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  339. I tend to agree with most of Roissy’s or Chateau’s stuff…but this seems overblown, like paranoia. Hell, you’ve just achieved your overall goal (getting laid), the fruit of all your efforts…and you’re still plotting the next ‘stratagems’…I’ve gotta do ‘this’ so she’ll think ‘that’? Plus, who the hell wants to drive anywhere right after getting off? A lot of you nightclub-stalkers could risk a DUI.

    I say freakin’ relax and enjoy it. Instead of bailing out right away, I prefer to do her again…the second orgasm makes the first one seem insignificant (I’m talking about mine, not hers). Otherwise I’ll do her again in the morning…you get to do it sober, and see her ‘au naturel’ without her nightclub look.

    Virtually all the girls get back in touch afterwards anyway, not because I ‘kept their ego in check’ but the fact that I got them off three or more times.

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  340. Vincent, funny thing is, those girls might be in those guys’ league if they behaved decently.

    Most guys I know at the top of any sub hierarchy want to settle down with a pretty, decent, young lady. Sometimes the pretty and young is flexible, but decent is at or near the top of the list.

    Most of my older associates with daughters keep them on lockdown partly because of fatherly protectiveness, but partly because they understand that she has no chance of getting with a guy of similar or up and coming status, being a party girl.

    They get their daughters married sometimes by assigning a guy they like for her, to be her chaperone/bodyguard. Sometimes stuff happens. They make a dramatic deal about how they have to get married or else. It’s kind of funny in a dead serious sort of way.

    The ones too short sighted to keep their daughters under supervision…those girls end up being passed around by every semi celebrity, son of mafia or politician, etc. They get sex from high status guys, and definitely child support if they get knocked up, but the guys marry the ones who are virgins or near that.

    That’s in Israel though. In the U.S. it’s a bit less uptight or deathly serious, but when you think about the fundamentals of hotness, it boils down to “aristocratic”. A girl with that look or at a similar level really screws herself when she screws around. Her looks, with the proper carriage, could get her someone well to do or at least stable with an alpha enough personality. She’d be a good display of his social or socioeconomic status, as well as simply compatible.

    If she doesn’t carry herself properly and screws around too much, then she’s just chipping away at her value. There may not be a lot of 10’s on Earth, but there are plenty of relatively pretty girls. Barring major defects, all a young woman really has to do is keep herself well.

    I thought it important to mention how things are here because this is what guys do when they can do whatever they want. There’s plenty modern about the place, and guys with options have the option to go for “liberated” women…but the ones with real pull don’t. The ones with plastic status marry skank, maybe because they see the high status guys going for them sexually, and think it means more than it does.

    The real deal though, goes for women who are untouched or at least from that class. A girl whose dad is poor or middle class, but attentive could get a socioeconomic promotion more easily than a rich skank can get a guy of equal status. They get seduced by lower status guys who want to marry into money.

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  341. Lily,
    You’re right. Since male desire is what arouses women, that is where rape fantasies come from. I don’t really think it is the idea of being degraded that appeals to them. What Rivelino said about the facial shot is frankly just gross.

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  342. Lily–

    I also think Elin would (should) have ignored it if he had one or a few *discreet* ONS or flings on the side. For all we know she did previously but we can only speculate. But what he did was so disrespectful and *so* humiliating that there is no way you could stay with him and keep your dignity. I don’t think she is responsible for it coming out in the press.

    I agree it wasn’t her fault and how humiliting for her it became. Some of that may have been Tiger full stop. But most of it was the sensationalist, sex sells, media.

    I actually think the old gentleman’s agreement about the press not reveling such things ought to be brought back by a change in US libel laws. Truth shouldn’t be a complete defense when we’re talking about non political speech that’s all about ridiculing someone and making the personal, public.

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  343. humiliating

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  344. @Rivelino, Gunslinger

    “50 percent of marriages is not new.”

    No, it’s ancient. It’s typical of hunter/gatherer societies that pair bonds last about four years–long enough to have a child and raise it through toddlerhood. Then half of the couples, the ones that don’t genuinely like each other, break up after that. The advent of agriculture was not so coindentally the birth of life-long marriage as an expected norm.

    One thing we moderns have in common with our hunter/gatherer ancestors is that a woman can make her own living. A woman can gather food, work in a factory, teacher or a nurse, or practice law without a man. Second wave feminism made the latter career possible, but in fact life-long marriage has been has been dying a slow death since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. Any situation that makes it easier for a woman to subsist on her own, even if not in luxurious conditions, will allow easy divorce. Feminism is a by-product of that, not a cause. And, economic equality is probably more similar, not less similar to our natural state.

    “Woman love to be dominated. They love degrading themselves. What we think is degrading they find enjoyable.”

    Not all women, no. I think you are over-generalizing, Gunslinger, from your marriage to all other women.

    “When I came back from the field…My wife sucked me off right after I came in the door…talking 30 days of working 18 hours days of sweat on my balls. She lapped all that shit up.
    Woman will do anything.”

    No, but I guess your wife does. My husband showers after mowing the lawn if he wants sex. (Sometimes I will join him because turn-about is fair play. He he.) I can’t see myself licking up 30 days of funk, much less 30 minutes of it. Perhaps she really missed you, perhaps she is just naturally submissive, maybe it’s cultural. But I wouldn’t take her behavior as typical.

    BTW, Gunslinger, thanks for serving our country.

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  345. Lily

    I’d be really interested in anyone else’s thoughts on Rivelino’s thoughts on facials, sex and degradation. And that making love does not exist. Is that true?

    1) I think the degradation part is a kink, not a hot sex universal in alpha men’s minds. He’s right about splooging being an act of ownership, domination and control though. hot.

    2) the hottest best sex is about domination and submission. It’s not about making love. There’s a place for softer, making love sex though too. Esp. when there’s been the really dominant taking a good bit. Making love builds comfort and trust. Domanant sex builds a girls lust and attraction. Women are pulled by hot dominant sex. The more they experience it the more they want it, to the point of becoming complete sex toy addicts for it, if they’re played right, pimp to ho, by a knowledgeable alpha. Not that knowledge and not just alphaness in general, is required.

    Yes women have rape fantasies but I think men think it’s because they want to be humiliated and degraded and whilst no doubt that’s true for some women, for many if not most, it’s actually about being desired so much the man can’t keep his hands off you and being overpowered and not being responsible for what you do. Not about being degraded.

    People differ. Girls differ. What I think is fairly universal about female rape fantasies is that they involve an alpha male, not a beta random. Often it’s an alpha male that society prohibits her from coupling with, though both madly want to. And yes it does involve being desired so, so much but this alpha male.

    I agree with you that humiliation and degredation aren’t a core or anything close to universal part of the fantasy for most women. For the most masochistic, perhaps.

    Really the degradation fantasy on some men’s side I think is about his feeling masterful. How can a beta feel masterful over a beautiful woman?? Well by degrading her is one answer. Having her as his captive w/no operative rules is another.

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  346. J–

    No, it’s ancient. It’s typical of hunter/gatherer societies that pair bonds last about four years–long enough to have a child and raise it through toddlerhood. Then half of the couples, the ones that don’t genuinely like each other, break up after that. The advent of agriculture was not so coindentally the birth of life-long marriage as an expected norm.

    One thing we moderns have in common with our hunter/gatherer ancestors is that a woman can make her own living. A woman can gather food, work in a factory, teacher or a nurse, or practice law without a man. Second wave feminism made the latter career possible, but in fact life-long marriage has been has been dying a slow death since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. Any situation that makes it easier for a woman to subsist on her own, even if not in luxurious conditions, will allow easy divorce. Feminism is a by-product of that, not a cause. And, economic equality is probably more similar, not less similar to our natural state.

    Overall a knowledgeable and wise comment.

    however middle class and above women were having their own careers in greater and greater numbers well before 2nd wave feminism. That wasn’t gifted by the cultural Marxists. What they did instead was to flood the sympathetic media, not to mention universities, with propaganda about how nearly universal it should be, and quick. And with how much it was the duty of all decent non sexist not neanderthal men to encourage and accommodate this, including on the homefront, by doing more child care and household work.

    Feminism is a by-product of that, not a cause. And, economic equality is probably more similar, not less similar to our natural state.

    In hunter gather societies, at least the ones with a good bit of hunting, the big kill was always the big event. The meat from that. That wasn’t economically equal, nor was it between men either.

    As well J, force. In hunter gather socieites a large part of war skirmishing is bride raiding from hostile bands/tribes in the area. Men classically controlled women first and foremost by violence or the threat of it. I mean men in general. Sure that’s not how to make your own honey most adore you but yes men have always held the upper hand in violence, whether it’s organized military violence, or at home.

    Of course cultural Marxist equalist feminists have sought to utterly emasculate that in American men through e.g. VAWA, which should be overturned tomorrow.’

    And women not allowed to vote so that it doesn’t come back in.

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  347. @Gorb and Poly

    “And although, as you say, the pheromones themselves have no scent, their effect is so distinctive that with experience one can detect them simply by inhaling and noting the effect on one’s own arousal.”

    Actually, I can consciously smell my husband’s scent; before the skin bacteria get to it, it’s a delicious blend of sandalwood and musk.

    “If your LTR becomes consciously aware of this, that simply makes it even more addictive, she will actively seek it out.”

    Yep.

    “This has implications for things like when you should shower or get up and walk away”

    I think the timing on that is before it turns to BO.

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  348. “No, but I guess your wife does. My husband showers after mowing the lawn if he wants sex. (Sometimes I will join him because turn-about is fair play. He he.) I can’t see myself licking up 30 days of funk, much less 30 minutes of it. Perhaps she really missed you, perhaps she is just naturally submissive, maybe it’s cultural. But I wouldn’t take her behavior as typical.”

    I personally think that behavior IS typical. Or maybe I’m just weird.

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  349. @ Rivelino

    I just re-read the story of your break-up. I know this is not what you want to hear about it, but the fact that she let you cheat on her and that she allowed you to do some sexual things that you say you pressured her into, but later broke with you when she was financially able to, leads me to believe that she grew up some and decided to seek out a less degrading relationship as soon as she could move on. I’m sorry you were hurt, but I imagine that she was too.

    It’s a case of he said/she said, and I’ll never hear her side of the story. I have heard enough women’s stories, however, to see this as a case of a girl doing something foolish because she was swept off her feet by a dark and artsy guy, realizing that that she needs to do something else in order to be happy and leaving when she had the opportunity, as opposed to carousel rider seeks provider.

    Not every girl wants a facial, you know. There may well be a growing number of young women who have come to accept being degraded as a normal part of the sexual experience as you point out. I won’t argue that point, but I will argue that the healthier among them are eventually going to get sick of it and look for something else. I wasn’t there, but maybe your gal took a good look at herself and decide to cut her losses and get out while the getting was good.

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  350. @ Lily

    “Out of curiousity, is this why guys would want to do this? I just assumed it was from porn or because men are visual creatures. Is the truth because they want to degrade women?”

    It may have started from porn and men wanting to see and identify with the orgasm. However, when you consider that a guy has to pull out at the best part of sex for him and to give himself a handy, I’d say that yes the pleasure of that has to come from something like degradation, domination or ownership. It seems to me that if I were to lose my mind and ask for something like that, my husband would be actually feel inconvenienced by my interrrupting his orgasm.

    The more of this stuff I read, the more I appreciate my husband BTW.

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  351. @Doug 1

    “”Overall a knowledgeable and wise comment.”

    Thank you.

    “however middle class and above women were having their own careers in greater and greater numbers well before 2nd wave feminism. That wasn’t gifted by the cultural Marxists.”

    Oh, I know; I said the “latter career”–meaning that larger numbers of women lawyers was a recent thing. You’re right, women had careers earlier. I even know a few women my mom’s age who practiced law with their husbands. Feminism was a factor in expending the variety of careers a woman could particpate in, as was technology.

    “In hunter gather societies, at least the ones with a good bit of hunting, the big kill was always the big event. The meat from that. That wasn’t economically equal, nor was it between men either.”

    It’s been a while but iirc my college anthropology texts said that as much as 80% of food eaten by hunter/gatherers came from the women’s gathering. Meat, a high risk luxury food that was indeed a big cause for celebration, was the male contribution. Gatherer (and garderner) women were always busy getting food. Men had a lot of leisure in exchange for taking on the riskier task.

    “As well J, force. In hunter gather socieites a large part of war skirmishing is bride raiding from hostile bands/tribes in the area. ”

    How large? When and where? How much raiding was there vs just trading women between tribes. I know that bride raiding existed, but I don’t recall how big a factor it was.

    “Men classically controlled women first and foremost by violence or the threat of it.”

    Actually, I think how much control a man has, has to do with how much he contributes and how valuable his contribution is. Where can self-sufficiency, she takes it. As I said, those gatherers broke up at the same rate modern women do.

    “Sure that’s not how to make your own honey most adore you”

    When women can be reasonably self-sufficient, I think that is probably the key to long relationships. I can make a living, not as good as wat my husband makes, which is not as good as what we make together. What holds me isn’t fear of poverty, it’s the relationship. I actually think that many here would agree that, in our post-feinist world relationship, is key. That’s why all of you are trying so hard to figure out ways to be attractive to women. I just differ drastically with some of you on what’s attractive.

    “but yes men have always held the upper hand in violence, whether it’s organized military violence, or at home.”

    So, you want a medal for that? OK, I’ll give you that one. Men have the upper hand in violence. OTOH, everyone has to sleep. Some men have to do that with one eye open.

    “Of course cultural Marxist equalist feminists have sought to utterly emasculate that in American men through e.g. VAWA, which should be overturned tomorrow.”

    So you’re for domestic violence?

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  352. “Really the degradation fantasy on some men’s side I think is about his feeling masterful. How can a beta feel masterful over a beautiful woman?? Well by degrading her is one answer. Having her as his captive w/no operative rules is another.”

    Yeah, there’s something about that the feels pretty beta to me too. Actually, less than “beta” as the term is used by some.

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  353. @Laura

    “Real accomplishments are fine, but it the attitude and demeanor of a confident man that I ultimately find attractive.”

    Quite the opposite for me. Having the attitude without the accomplishment is just a pose. If we are looking at who’s gonna fertilize those precious eggs, you gotta look for the guy who has the wherewithal to protect and achieve, not just swagger and a big mouth.

    I find that the more BS a guy throws about, the less he actually can accomplish. In our over 20 years together, I’ve never heard my husband BS or self-aggrandize; he just does what needs to be done and leaves room for others to notice and praise. And the people who need to notice, do.

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  354. Good point J. I agree that women can see through fake confidence pretty easily. I like men like your husband.

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  355. J,

    “And although, as you say, the pheromones themselves have no scent, their effect is so distinctive that with experience one can detect them simply by inhaling and noting the effect on one’s own arousal.”

    Actually, I can consciously smell my husband’s scent; before the skin bacteria get to it, it’s a delicious blend of sandalwood and musk.

    Yes, that smell is characteristic of male sweat but the pheromones are different chemicals from the ones that make those smells. However the Pavlovian association is good enough that sandalwood and musk are the most important scents in men’s colognes.

    If you could bottle the actual pheromone you could make a billion dollars, but nobody has yet; the internet ads for such products are remarkably elaborate fakes complete with fake research from phony institutions on fake “health websites” which contain other filler articles only to give plausibility to the fake pheromone research.

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  356. “the Pavlovian association is good enough that sandalwood and musk are the most important scents in men’s colognes. ”

    Interestingly, the smell of sandalwood pisses my husband off. I lit a sandalwood candle in our bedroom one time to create a romantic atmosphere, and he said, “For God’s sake J, it smells like a men’s lockeroom in here.”

    Is that the smell of cuckoldry or homosexuality that he didn’t like?

    My sons also hate that smell.

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  357. J–

    I can’t see myself licking up 30 days of funk, much less 30 minutes of it. Perhaps she really missed you, perhaps she is just naturally submissive, maybe it’s cultural. But I wouldn’t take her behavior as typical.

    Of course not. You’re an American feminism ruined or anyway heavily tainted woman who hasn’t been deprogramed.

    Not yuuum. At all.

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  358. Or coversely, I just enjoy cleanliness. Save water, Doug, shower with a friend.

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  359. J–

    Quite the opposite for me. Having the attitude without the accomplishment is just a pose. If we are looking at who’s gonna fertilize those precious eggs, you gotta look for the guy who has the wherewithal to protect and achieve, not just swagger and a big mouth.

    Forebrain thinking and to a degree it’s similar to girls doing dad selecting. Or their families doing it, traditionally.

    However you’re not in touch with your gina tingles. Not in touch with a girl’s limbic brain, her hindbrain.

    Many men are far more than you. After all they’ve heterosexually experienced a far greater variety of girls falling strongly for someone, and full seduction that you have.

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  360. J–

    @Revilino–I just re-read the story of your break-up. I know this is not what you want to hear about it, but the fact that she let you cheat on her and that she allowed you to do some sexual things that you say you pressured her into, but later broke with you when she was financially able to, leads me to believe that she grew up some and decided to seek out a less degrading relationship as soon as she could move on. I’m sorry you were hurt, but I imagine that she was too.

    You don’t understand the situation he described at a gut male female level whatsoever, feminism polluted idiot woman.

    Read some Dave from Hawaii from Roissy’s archives. Particularly during his “Relationship Game Week.” Google site search here for the two phrases; you’ll find it.

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  361. on July 19, 2010 at 3:30 pm Anunnymouse

    Making love definitely exists. It’s happened with me several times. Once it even involved another person.

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  362. J–

    I shower plenty. That’s not the point.

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  363. on July 19, 2010 at 3:48 pm Dan Berringer

    Pheromones are indeed a powerful drug. I love smelling a woman’s armpits and going down on her during her period and getting her blood and cum all over my face at the same time. Once I accidentally forgot I had just ate out my girlfriend’s pussy on the rag and answered the door with my face all bloodied and the mailman just stared at me slack-jawed and then handed me some mail I had to sign for and when I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror, I was like, “OOPS”.

    There’s also something really comforting about drinking a hot girl’s urine. I had a woman fill cups of her urine for me when she was on long trips so I could drink her piss when I missed her. So hot.

    Rubbing my face in her ass and taint is erotic too. There is all kinds of erotic stuff happening down in the nether regions once you get passed the top notes of lingering microscopic fecal matter and get to the real sexy scents buried in the bottom notes.

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  364. on July 19, 2010 at 3:55 pm Dan Berringer

    Also, I get really turned on by the idea of a woman cheating on me (hopefully with multiple partners) and there’s this whole underlying “Sperm Olympics” going on between me and other men and I just want to screw her more so that I win the “Sperm Competition” cup. VERY HOT.

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  365. J–

    So you’re for domestic violence?

    I’m for the implicit threat of a reasonable amount of it in certain circumstances.

    Men slapping women w/out injury shouldn’t be illegal. Lord knows American women now do enough of it, more in fact. It’s just rarely reported. I certainly don’t think a woman claiming she “felt afraid, really afraid” without evidence should be enough to arrest and change a man, or for him to get a no hearing, no evidence from his side restraining order against him which makes him move out of his house.

    I think what traditionally obtained in America and e.g Latin America re: domestic violence before second wave feminism had it right. A certain amount done rarely was tolerated. Rather expected if the wife cheated for example. Regularly really beating a woman up or ever seriously injuring her was definitely a crime.

    yes that’s about right.

    And yes I’ve for clear male dominance. Including physically. Of course myself I merely intimate. But then I’m a classy, suave kind of alpha.

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  366. *I’m for clear male dominance.

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  367. I hate when I have to drop a PCPE – post-coital premature excrement. I’ll call ya sometime!

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  368. J, the “degradation” thing can go both ways, depending on the couple. There’s plenty of porn with women doing nasty things to men, and lots of men are just as into that as they are into doing things to women.

    The problem is finding the right woman.

    Male domination is the default most of the time. In a pump and dump situation, especially since it’s like I’ve recently been informed that it is, there would really be no time to flip the script. There would also be no chance of it if the guy doesn’t trust the girl enough to open up, or if he’s not very certain of her STD status.

    A great many kinky things guys like to do would be more humiliating for them than for the woman.

    Nowadays, the desire to dominate a woman is very un PC, and has become part of the “forbidden”. So a guy who likes to nut on a woman’s face is kind of breaking a taboo, which adds to the appeal.

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  369. Dan Berringer your mail man story was hilarious

    Rivelio (if not threesomes with you and your sister, at least *a bit* of action on the side).

    Have you lost your damn mind????

    To answer your question about facials, yes. A man wants to come on a girl’s face because he wants to own her, dominate her, and degrade her completely. It all stems from the same impulse.

    So you think your grandparents and grea-grandparents did that??? Disgusting.

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  370. @KK
    Excellent stuff 🙂

    @Doug
    Thank you very much for the input, very much appreciated.

    Agreed the rape thing has to be an alpha male, but could be different kinds of men e.g. Lady Chatterley and the gardener or the wench and the lord of the manor.

    @J
    I think it could be more with blow job endings, you’re obviously not giving your husband enough lol.

    Re gunslinger’s comments, I think it could be it didn’t occur to his wife (till too late but she carried on) that he hadn’t washed for 30 days, in those parts of the world people are very clean and will wash from a well or a river daily, wherever they are. I might be completely wrong though and that’s just their relationship.

    I had a different take on Rivelino’s past relationship than you, but I agree that often men perceive women’s reasoning in a different way (e.g thinking women may react to things, it doesn’t mean they like it, they may just accept it because of other stuff).

    @Dan
    LOL

    Re smells. I just googled pheromones, testostorene etc and I’m still not sure what it is.

    But the Player’s staying with me for a few days and we’ve just had a big computer games/DVD and cuddle session & I think it’s a combination of testosterone and then oxcytocin release which is making me feel super ‘loved up’. Have had to come on here to resist going into the bedroom he’s sleeping in to carry on where we left off lol. I think it would be a even more strong post-coital so probably just as well we left it where we did, we have work in the morning lol.

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  371. Quote: “I don’t know what it was like for the men of previous generations, but twenty-somethings now have taken much of their inspiration from porn, and the level of violence and degradation in porn has reached an all time high.
    Take it from a man who has seen plenty of porn from the 70s, 80s and 90s. The stuff we have today is over the top. Face fucking until girls are crying. Gagging. Rough anal. And this isn’t even fetish porn. This is the mainstream stuff.”

    Monkey see , monkey do.

    This is not all that much different from the prevalent, more mainstream “raunch culture” that is largely the norm nowdays and is equally driven by women as it is by men.

    Make women insecure about themselves and you can sell them the solution.

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  372. @Mr. C- I prefer older stuff when I take a peak too. modern stuff is Crap & over the top and digusting. How any woman can enjoy it is beyond me.

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  373. @MrC
    Every so often in England, we have a hu ha in the press about the content of teen girl magazines. Personally, some of it not what I’d want a 14 year old daughter of mine reading but actually it’s tame compared to the magazines the boys are reading (but that hardly gets picked up by the press). At least the former puts in some only do what you’re comfortable with etc etc along with position of the week, whilst the latter is really threesomes, anal sex, ‘splooging’ etc. Odd bit of football or fast car but the sex references are pretty hardcore and no relationship or personal development advice. Also, the boys are watching porn, a lot of it from a young age, redtube you porn etc. I always think that the girl magazines are the very least they need to deal with the boys.

    But pretty bad for the boys that there is a lack of places they get help with their personal development, relationship advice etc. I saw it firsthand with my foster son whom I had from ages 26-32 (he was just entering teens and just started university!) so he probably felt he could talk to me or my husband but talking to us is not nearly enough.

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  374. “How any woman can enjoy it is beyond me.”

    I doubt a female audience is even considererd when making such porn.

    It caters to the masturbatory and sexual power fantasies of men.
    As regular consumers become further desensitised and as the porn industry keeps raising the bar to make money , the whole thing will continue to slowly escalate up until laws are broken or laws are made to place limits.

    From time to time, I like seeing a hot sexy bitch being hate fucked as much as the next man does , but I get it online for free , watch it once and delete it and only revisit when the mood takes me.

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  375. J–

    So why don’t you answer me on domestic violence bitch?

    Because you sense that the crowd isn’t behind you??????????

    How pathetic. Girl. Little girl.

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  376. @ Doug

    “Forebrain thinking”

    Yeah, I tend to be rather cerebral, but I am also feel deeply. I feel in love with my husband (and vice-versa) at first sight, but it took us another two years to marry. We are both INTx. I’m a perceiver, he’s a judger. Slow movwers who think their feelings out before they act.

    “and to a degree it’s similar to girls doing dad selecting.”

    Does that mean looking for a daddy for themseleves or for their future children? I definitely wanting a good father for my kids. It’s that the biological imperative.

    “Or their families doing it, traditionally.”

    Despite the fact that this forum sees me as some sort of radical feminist, I am actually fairly traditional in many ways.

    “However you’re not in touch with your gina tingles.”

    No, my vag and I are on a first name basis. We both consult with my brain, however, before acting. It kept me off the carousel, so it’s a good thing.

    “Many men are far more ??? than you.”

    We’re missing a word here. I don’t understand your point.

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  377. @ Doug

    “You don’t understand the situation he described at a gut male female level whatsoever, feminism polluted idiot woman. ”

    I few posts back I was “wise,” but I’ll ignore the ad hominem

    “Read some Dave from Hawaii from Roissy’s archives. Particularly during his “Relationship Game Week.” Google site search here for the two phrases; you’ll find it.”

    Read it, but I’m not sure what your point was. That Rivellino was beta-ized and used game not to be?
    The guy had a girl who was willing to let him cheat. How beta is that?

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  378. @Doug1

    “I shower plenty. That’s not the point.”

    I’m not privy to your personal habits, so I wasn’t actually trying to imply that you don’t bathe.

    “Save water, shower with a friend” was a popular bumper sticker in the late 60s.

    I was saying in a joking manner that it’s more fun to shower with one’s partner than mess around with someone who’s funky.

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  379. Aren’t all sexual/relationship troubles just ultimately boiling down to a case of reality sucking?

    There’s only a tiny fraction of 9s and 10s (men and women) that presumably go away and happily fuck their brains all the time, and the rest of the population ends up pissed and angry most of the time. And even for the 9s and 10s it doesn’t last. The woman’s looks deteriorate (rapidly after age 30), and alpha status is temporary also – status is a zero-sum game (competition means a very small number of winners and a great number of losers, new young blood means that no one maintains their relative position for long).

    So women lose their looks, men become surly and unfaithful. Man cannot maintain alpha status, woman start nagging and harping and cheating.

    Without changing the very fabric of human nature itself, ultimately we can’t win. We will all ultimately become bitch hags (woman) or Omegas (men).

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  380. @ Doug

    “I’m for the implicit threat of a reasonable amount of it in certain circumstances.”

    I couldn’t live with someone I feared. I also can’t respect or trust a loose cannon. Men like that strike me as unreliable. I find reliability to be a very attractive masculine virtue.

    “Men slapping women w/out injury shouldn’t be illegal. Lord knows American women now do enough of it, more in fact.”

    IMHO, it should be illegal in both cases. My husband and I rarely even hit the kids, except to keep them from greater harm, eg. playing in traffic merits a slap or two.

    “I certainly don’t think a woman claiming she “felt afraid, really afraid” without evidence should be enough to arrest and change a man,”

    I would agree that it is unfair to charge someone based on someone else’s subjective feelings–but than I’m not big on acting on feelings.

    “or for him to get a no hearing, no evidence from his side restraining order against him which makes him move out of his house.”

    The local cops in my area do threaten to arrest people unless they leave the house for the night. Not a bad idea; it lets people go to their separate corners and cool down. It probbly prevents a lot of injury.

    “I think what traditionally obtained in America and e.g Latin America re: domestic violence before second wave feminism had it right. A certain amount done rarely was tolerated.”

    I really have zero-tolerance towards hitting. . .

    “Rather expected if the wife cheated for example.”

    Except that cheating is the one thing that would drive me to violence. My husband, OTOH, would just coldly leave if he caught me cheating…and then have his lawyers make my life a living hell.

    “And yes I’ve for clear male dominance. ”

    Neither my husband or myself like to dominate or be dominated. We are pretty laissez-faire with each other since we both appreciate space. But we both also have firm limits that we mutaully fear to cross. I think we’d be more afraid of losing each other than anything else.

    “Of course myself I merely intimate. But then I’m a classy, suave kind of alpha.”

    Not how I’d view it, but I assume Bhetti does, so you are lucky to have found her.

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  381. Thanks for that informative answer, Nicole. I think turn about is fair play if you are into that sort of thing as a fetish. The one way nature of it bothers me.

    Hope all went well with your personal stuff.

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  382. on July 20, 2010 at 2:10 am The Sweeter The Berry

    HA! Double-HA! Evennnn!

    Men age horribly (especially if they smoke and drink). Balding, early gray hair, pot bellies, deep etched wrinkles, loss of testosterone, wonky sperm and set in their ancient farty ways. NOT sexay. NOBODY gets out of aging (unless you have a painting hidden in a closet doing all of the aging for you).

    Some idiot men have deluded themselves into believing in the “youth fairy” always being there for them because they thought being older and having money alone still kept them ‘alpha’ no matter how gross they are, but, now that women have money and access to careers and hot men of ANY adult age, older men are NOT as appealing. Why would a young woman opt out of having a young, hot, virile stud for some old, assholey, loser dude who’s been banging a bunch of women all of his life, never settled down and probably has a plethora of STDs and heaven only knows what else?

    Even that nasty old, ugly pervo photographer knew better than to ‘neg’ women half his age. DUH? He actually made those pathetic girls feel good about themselves (there’s a tip for you dipshits).

    Now even older women don’t want the older men their same age (COUGAR time for da ladies up in da hizzy).

    Bwahahahahaha

    Suck it, boyz!

    [editor: you sound more bitter than usual, LR]

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  383. Hi Doug,

    Obviously, the anonymous responses to you are from me. I keep forgetting that the site doesn’t automatically remember people.

    “So why don’t you answer me on domestic violence bitch? ”

    I just did, sugar. It’s nice to know that you were anxiously awaiting my response, but keep in mind that I’m responsible for your two kids, an aged mother who is currently in the hospital, and I hold down a part time job while managing a household. I can’t spend all day on the net.

    “Because you sense that the crowd isn’t behind you??????????”

    If that were the case, I’d have never posted a second here. When has the crowd been behind me? Unless you mean that time with the torches and pick axes?

    “How pathetic. Girl. Little girl.”

    Doug, I’m not the one who’s overwrought here.

    I’m going to bed now. Don’t take my silence personally.

    BTW, are we done discussing hunter/gatherers? You never responded factually on that topic, just with insults. Too bad. It was an intelligent and enjoyable discussion.

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  384. Coyote … yes , the media and marketeers would have us believe otherwise; and what incredible power they have over the masses.
    These 9s and 10s that you mention, despite having won the genetic lottery are held up as being the norm or at least something to aspire to and if you buy the right products and services , something that just , just maybe those lesser down the scale can achieve , if just momentarily.

    It’s up to us to recognise what is happening and to transcend it by any means we see fit.

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  385. Ahhh but Berry , what you fail to realise is that by pointing the finger at men , you have three of your own fingers pointing back at you.

    Even the men you describe can hire all the pretty lovelies they desire and can afford , by the hour.

    Or , what would they have to lose by making their way over to South East Asia and getting themselves a compliant 20 year old wife ?

    I actually know a man ( a friend of my uncles ) , who may or may not have married ; who in his 60’s went over to Thailand and brought back with him a lovely , loving 20 year old bride.
    A couple of years ago they had their first child together.
    Having seen this man before he met his Thai bride and after ; let me tell you , this guy looked 15 – 20 years younger AFTER he met her.

    He loves her , she loves him and will dote on him to the end. Its only fitting that she and his children will then inherit his assets.

    Sounds like a fair deal to me.

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  386. on July 20, 2010 at 6:44 am gunslingergregi

    Funny seeing the comments on culture or whatever.

    The first wife was one who sucked me off coming back from field.

    She was a tall white blond big titted but was from germany.

    So feminist studies teaching that people been breaking up since the dawn of time and woman still feel entitled to child support and alimony he he he

    I saw cuckhold son and husband in the same post.
    umm I am usually pretty perceptive in picking things up from peoples writing their intent.

    You want to get anything off your chest?
    And why are ya here and what do you plan on accomplishing?

    Name
    Yea that would make you a normal woman who understands passion. Keep up the good work.

    J ya need to take prude shield down a notch. Let your husband know that anytime he wants to bend you over the railing it is ok. Your sex life may improve for a little while.
    Or if your good then nothing to worry about.
    But coming on here probably not gonna be good for your marriage. Too much information overload for a female.

    Mr. C
    Yea I knew a few guys too having kids over 60 some pushing 70. But yea having a good time. I hope berries right and woman are doing good older. Then leave the men the fuck alone that you used to be with and make your own money. Maybe we are in a slow transition to change the hearts and minds of females in the media maybe one day they will finally feel equal enough that alimony child support can be removed.

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  387. on July 20, 2010 at 7:00 am gunslingergregi

    If I told ya all about my current wife your fucking minds would explode. Mine almost did just yesterday.

    ”””””””’on July 20, 2010 at 1:37 am coyote
    Aren’t all sexual/relationship troubles just ultimately boiling down to a case of reality sucking?

    There’s only a tiny fraction of 9s and 10s (men and women) that presumably go away and happily fuck their brains all the time, and the rest of the population ends up pissed and angry most of the time. And even for the 9s and 10s it doesn’t last. The woman’s looks deteriorate (rapidly after age 30), and alpha status is temporary also – status is a zero-sum game (competition means a very small number of winners and a great number of losers, new young blood means that no one maintains their relative position for long).

    So women lose their looks, men become surly and unfaithful. Man cannot maintain alpha status, woman start nagging and harping and cheating.

    Without changing the very fabric of human nature itself, ultimately we can’t win. We will all ultimately become bitch hags (woman) or Omegas (men).

    ””””””

    Well I didn’t think my wife was a 9 or ten when I met her but my head literally almost fucking exploded yesterday and pretty much every time we have sex. This doesn’t happen when I have casual sex to even almost the same degree. So yea just find a chick and practice on her step below you doesn’t matter. I had my next door neighbor from an early age prob 14. Practiced on her for two years or so just touching her body and enjoying it. Then her cousins would visit and I got to play with them. All her cousins were female he he he
    So I got lucky. But yea find a chick put some work in on learning to manage the female body. Practice touching diference areas coming up with hypothesis lol of diferent shit. If she is not the one for you well then move on and find the one who is. Sometimes a guy needs more than one. Which might be my problem was those dam cousins of hers. Probably where I came up with ok to have multiple because there was never any jealousy we just all loved each other. Was a good time. To me sex is the nice part of life but yea every woman is not gonna be the perfect one for you maybe not even the ten. Ya see ya got to get your experience level up to be able to make the other womans heads explode then when ya meet woman that makes yours explode you can make hers explode and it is fucking on.

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  388. on July 20, 2010 at 7:06 am gunslingergregi

    But yea there isn’t really that much to life so if ya can’t enjoy the sex wtf else is there?

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  389. @ Gunslinger–

    Actually the thing I love about marriage is that a woman finally gets to take down the prude shield in a safe place. It came down years ago, which was a big relief.

    “But coming on here probably not gonna be good for your marriage.”

    Strangley, it’s been good for my marriage. Seeing how others live, especially if it’s not for you, can really make you appreciate what you have. Additionally, some game techiques and principles can work on either sex. I’ve cherry-picked a few things off this blog that have spiced things up a bit. When you’ve been married over 20 years, you have to be open to new things or it all gets stale.

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  390. coming here had made my already pretty great marriage ten thousand times better.

    i have put into practice almost everything ive learned about men here and all other men’s site and my husband is beaming king of his little castle and our sex life is out of this world

    women are solipsistic and dumb LISTEN to what men are telling you morons, they will love you for it

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  391. dana,

    Interesting asymmetry there — women should listen to what men tell them about what they want, men should not listen to what women tell them about what they want.

    Agree, the insights gained here can supercharge a marriage or LTR.

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  392. poly

    women should listen to what men are telling them directly

    men should watch what women ACTUALLY respond to

    extreme sexual dimorphism is a bitch!

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  393. @Gunslinger

    “The first wife was one who sucked me off coming back from field. She was a tall white blond big titted but was from germany.”

    My observation of Europeans is that they tend to use less deodorant than Americans and shower and shave their underarms less. I traveled in France and Italy and found the BO unbelievable. I’ve had to deodorize my furniture after visits from European cousins. When my husband and I went to Florida a while back, we found ourselves behind a pack of German tourists at NASA–incredible.

    OTOH, I know that many Europeans find Americans prissy about that sort of thing, so yeah, it’s culture.

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  394. J–

    “Of course myself I merely intimate. But then I’m a classy, suave kind of alpha.”

    Not how I’d view it, but I assume Bhetti does, so you are lucky to have found her.

    Bhetti is my online/distance emotional love. London medstudent.

    M lives with me, and lets me play. Including w/Bhetti, in the way I do. But not only her. On occasion.

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  395. @Doug

    So to clarify–you live with one woman, have on-line flirtations with others, but don’t physically cheat?

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  396. @ dana

    Both men and women should watch what each other ACTUALLY responds to. Everybody bullshits, but actions don’t lie.

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  397. J-

    I don’t cheat no. Nothing is behind my love M’s back. But I can play physically some yes.

    This summer we ended up picking up a mid/late 20’s girl together on the summer island where I have a house. Well she’s a weekender too, or her family are. Wasn’t planed really; just happened. M started it actually. Well I have been priming her for a partners in crime threesome thing. Turned into something fairly long lasting. Well a summer weekends thing. Quite fun. Lots of games. We/I have promised C we’d set her up with a guy or two afterwords. Possible husband material sort of thing.

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  398. J and Doug1,

    Online as well as off, I find that a single relationship, done right, so richly rewards additional effort as to consume all available resources.

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  399. J–

    As well what Bhetti and I have started here as an online flirtation but it’s hardly that now.

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  400. @ Polymath

    “Online as well as off, I find that a single relationship, done right, so richly rewards additional effort as to consume all available resources.”

    Well, I’ve never had an online love affair, so I can’t comment. But I certainly agree about monogamy IRL. Most people have enough trouble doing one relationship right, why add more drama?

    Right now, as the kids are getting older and will be leaving the nest soon enough, I am sort of working on getting ready to be just a couple again and reclaiming some couple’s time. Your kids are older, aren’t they? Any thoughts?

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  401. @Doug

    Thanks for answering. Do you actually see Bhetti IRL?

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  402. J,

    My kids range from 8 to 21, so we will have them around for a while yet. But we have gotten better at making time for ourselves.

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  403. on July 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm gunslingergregi

    J dana sounds like you have good intentions.

    J gonna need some more time to see if your sincere but congrats on 20 years.
    have seen the woman with good intentions in qoutes turn into satan.

    Dana,
    I think you are probably sincere seems to be no incongruency in you but then there is this;

    ””””women should listen to what men are telling them directly

    men should watch what women ACTUALLY respond to
    ””””’
    but this:

    ”””on July 20, 2010 at 10:39 am dana
    coming here had made my already pretty great marriage ten thousand times better.

    i have put into practice almost everything ive learned about men here and all other men’s site and my husband is beaming king of his little castle and our sex life is out of this world

    women are solipsistic and dumb LISTEN to what men are telling you morons, they will love you for it
    ”””””
    needs its own post. Dang he he he
    So Dana how long have you been married?

    ”””Dana
    my husband is beaming king of his little castle and our sex life is out of this world
    ””””

    Sweet should we believe you though he he he
    Yea I hope to make the lifetime myself or die trying.
    But I plan on having a real mote with freaking alligators no joke he he he

    ””””on July 20, 2010 at 10:48 am polymath
    dana,

    Interesting asymmetry there — women should listen to what men tell them about what they want, men should not listen to what women tell them about what they want.

    Agree, the insights gained here can supercharge a marriage or LTR.
    ””””
    I was doing the touch tally. Then I noticed I was picking my woman up in the air twice a day whether she needed it or not. She always laughs like a little kid lol
    Eyes light up like it is christmas morn.

    ””’j as for europeans”””’
    Yea I married first one because she had european values but spoke perfect english with a southern accent. I was under the impression that she never had hair on her body except her head. I postulate a hypothesis also that I have an extremly narrow range on woman I can bond to because there is only certain smells that I can take. Only eaten out two woman married em both. Both treated their pussies like some sort of temple to the goddess. Both knew everything there was to know about pussy ph and every other secret of womanhood or something he he he

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  404. @Gunslinger

    “gonna need some more time to see if your sincere but congrats on 20 years.”

    Thanks! #21 is coming up soon; we’ve been together for over 23 years since we first met.

    “have seen the woman with good intentions in qoutes turn into satan.”

    Well, that’s life isn’t it? I think many women can say the same about men they know. It’s best not to rely too much on others; even those who don’t mean to can disappoint you.

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  406. Cannon’s Cannon–

    France as well on that

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  407. thanks.

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  409. Thank you Chateau! It has been two years and this post has explained my first failed relationship in ways I didnt understand until now! I was sleeping over at my ex’s all the time and it reached the point where she expected me to sleep over there. She would get mad when I didnt, eventually she stopped sleeping with me and I know she wasnt cheating, she didnt have the time… At the time I didnt know how to fix the problem. This explains it perfectly, I should have just stopped being so available by going over every night Instead of “Communicating with her that I needed sex in the relationship,” Damn those stupid Dr. Phil shows and all that AFC propaganda. Distancing myself and leaving randomly at 2:00 am on nights she didnt sleep with me would have worked wonders for our sex life… lol

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  410. on March 8, 2011 at 2:04 pm thepowerof4

    Dumped a guy 6 months ago for playing that game. Don’t have time for that person. I’m not a buck I am a human being.

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